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Good evening. We have a lot on our
agenda tonight, so we like to move

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through as quickly as we can. I'd like
to call this meeting to order. My name

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is Joseph Edler. I am the vice chair of
the Gettysburg Bur Historic

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Architectural Review Board. Um,
and at this time I'd like to do roll

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call. Assisting us tonight from the
burough staff is John Whitmore, who's

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the code enforcement officer, planning
and zoning officer, and Karen Mesher,

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acting as HARB's administrative
assistant. Um, our board members include

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Miss Stephanie Shara, uh, Mr. Paul Wit,
Mr. Gary Schaefer, Miss Suzanne

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Christensen, and Mr. Kim Spitler
representing PMCA as the building code

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official. Uh, just note that Chairman
Brandon Stone is not with us tonight.

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Um,
so at this point, I'd like to review

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tonight's agenda and see if there are
any changes.

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We just noted a misspelling
under the consent agenda. Item B was

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Yate and not Windgate.
And there is no number eight. It skips

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to number nine for public comment.

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Does anybody have any other changes or
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Uh, do I have a motion to approve the
business meeting agenda of June 30th,

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2026?
>> I will.

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» Okay. I have a motion by Miss Suzanne
Christensen.

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» I'll second that.
>> Seconded by Mr. Paul Wit. All in favor?

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» All right. We'll move on to the meeting
minutes of May 20th, 2026.

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Are there any comments, questions,
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» Make a motion. We appear the minutes as
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» All right. Do we have a second?
>> I'll second.

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» All right. Motion by Mr. Paul Wit,
second by Miss Stephanie Shara. Uh, all

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in favor?
>> I.

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» All right. Motion passes.
Um, item number three, public comment.

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At this point, we'll open up the podium
for public comment for items on the

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agenda or not on the agenda. Uh, when
you get to the podium, please give us

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your name for Miss Measure.

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Test one. Can you hear me? Can you hear
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» Yes. Test one two.
>> Is it green under here?

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» It's green on top.
Okay. Well, I'll try to speak loud then.

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Loudly. Um, my name is Thomas Paul's 26
Highland View Lane, Gettysburg. Um,

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I respectfully and forcefully oppose
certain language within the existing

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historic district ordinance that has of
late been used by certain council

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administrative heads to justify and
promote what I see as a desecration of

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the hollowed ground in this
internationally recognized historic

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place.
We all have our opinions on how these

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things are approached, but quite
frankly, I've used the such existing

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language we have as a form almost of
secular blasphemy. I know that's

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strongly sparted, but there's a reason
for that, which I will get into in a

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moment. So, where there's a problem,
there needs to be a solution. And

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therefore, I once again call on the HARB
to recommend and the final

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decision-making body to adopt that my
detailed text amendment language entered

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in as part of the May 20th, 2026 agenda
and under separate cover attached to

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these June 30th, 2026 HARB comments.
These recommended amendments are based

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upon nearly 40 years of professional
planning experience in writing

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successful oftentimes fully adopted by
the elected bodies updates to many land

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development codes in a number of states.
Summary of the amendments and I'll try

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to be as brief as I can. The first
delete the following existing text

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within the Gettysburg Burough Code
Chapter 11 section 1110.1E

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contemporary design for additional
additions to existing buildings that

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differentiate between old and new parts
shall not be discouraged. So it's

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basically saying contemporary designs
in reverse shall be encouraged. They

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shall not be discouraged when such
additions do not destroy the significant

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historic and architectural cultural
material and such design is compatible

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with the size, scale, color, material,
aesthetics and character of the

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building. That is in a direct
contravention to the section 11101 C111

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where there's a list of what the matters
to be considered by the board are and I

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believe that that language should be
struck with other language put in its

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place. Secondly, and I think more almost
more egregiously, is subsection F of the

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same section saying contemporary design
for new buildings shall be encouraged

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provided design is compatible with
existing neighboring structures and

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scale, size, color, and building
materials and other considerations

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listed in subsection 1C of this section.
This is what I'm proposing be put in

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those two sections place. Section E,
section F would no longer be um in

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existence. Section E. Consistent with
the principles of sound historic

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preservation and as a matter of common
practice to reinforce the provisions of

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this chapter, new buildings and
additions to existing buildings shall

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emphasize the predominant and compatible
historic styles and architectural

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features of neighboring properties in
the general surrounding area. This

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applies to all proposed physical
features as cited above in section

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11101C
1-11. That's the list that we talked

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about matters to be considered. Any
consideration of contemporary design

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that differentiates between the old and
new shall be considered only when such

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design has been demonstrated as
necessary and shall be incorporated only

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for purposes of architectural accent or
minor embellishments. Such new buildings

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or additions shall not adversely impact
the existing historic architectural or

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cultural character of the subject
property, the surrounding neighborhood

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and shall further contribute to the
overall authenticity of Gettysburg's

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historic heritage.

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under section 1 C 110U 11101C
it says the following architectural

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features of the building uh and site
along with the compatibility of those

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neighboring buildings um I would add
shall serve as the principal guide for

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decision makers when considering
applications for certificate of

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appropriate not just under consideration
but serve as the principal guide for 1C1

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modifications to architectural style
that have been made over time I would

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add consistent with section 11-102
purposes of this chapter, such decision

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to modify the architectural style shall
give preferential weight to replicating

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or historically complementing the
predominant existing character of other

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historic structures located within the
vicinity of the subject property.

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section 1 CB I mean 1 C8 the importance
of fences and walls where it talks about

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um to prop um that it should be cohesive
of buildings and line and historic

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appropriateness. I would suggest that
instead it should reinforce the proper

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facial articulation and authenticity of
the type size and positioning of

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position of materials from which these
are made such as brick or stone.

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1D1 the removal or alteration of
covering of any historic material or

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distinctive architectural feature. If
any such items are removed they shall be

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properly recorded and if possible it
says stored. I would suggest they

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properly archived so that the materials
are taken carefully into account and

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archived carefully for permanence. So
properly archived would be the language

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I would add in that section. Section
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When brick has been painted in the past,
repainted rather than paint when brick

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has been painted in the past, repainting
rather than paint removal shall it's

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shall be undertaken unless otherwise
recommended by the board. Um, so the

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importance here is that that first of
all, it's preferred that the repainting

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take place. If they wish not to do that,
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beforehand. This last item has to do
with variances and the height of new

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buildings or structures shall not exceed
the height of the tallest building or

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structure by more than 10%. It goes on
to say how and I would strike this

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language. However, the board may
recommend grant of a variance from this

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height limitation and goes on.
My position is that it really is not the

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role of the historic and architectural
reward to offer a recommendation to an

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applicant as to whether or not they
should file for a variance. That's an

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item for the applicant and maybe the
applicant's representatives to offer.

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And I would suggest this language. If
the applicant for a certificate of

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appropriateness seeks a variance from
the zoning hearing board ZB for any

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purpose relating to the dimensional
requirements cited in this chapter, then

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such variance must first be approved by
the ZB before the historic architectural

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review board takes final action related
to the COA application certificate of

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appropriateness. It remains the
responsibility of the certificate of

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certificate of appropriateness applicant
to decide whether or not to proceed with

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a variance application. The historic
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neutral in such cases and not offer any
guidance for or against the advisability

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of seeking such a variance. Those are my
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you. Thank you.
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» Are there any questions of the speaker?
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Is there anybody else here for public
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Okay. If there is no more public
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four, the consent agenda. The consent
agenda allows for expedited approvals of

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projects that comply with both the
Gettysburg Design Guide and the

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Department of Interior Secretary
Standards. Uh the projects listed

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tonight while larger than a minor
project fit into these categories. Uh

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has the board had opportunity to review
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about the two projects? Um A at 222
Buford Avenue or B 54 East Middle

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Street.

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Okay. And is there anybody do you have
any comments for Gary?

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» Is anyone here for
54 East Middle Street?

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» Yes.
>> The the windgate board on board fence.

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Is that a style or is that a
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» We're Long Fence Company did the
original fence. It's a part of the fence

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that's there. So I it's matching the I
guess it's the style of the board the

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design
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» Yes, it is wood.
So we were just going to match continue

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to match what was currently put there
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it's a I I once again it's come from
long fence company. I think we my wife

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and I got it directly out of there. So
both sides of the fence actually look uh

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identical. So it's looks good on both
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and a back side, but the fence looks
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there's boards on both sides.

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» No issue. Just
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Well, for the record, how do you spell
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» in the application. It's W Y N G A T E.
Uh, it's just missing the N in this

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summary.

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» Okay. If there's no other comments or
questions for approval at their next

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meeting and burough council will give
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you free to go.

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Okay.
We will move on to old business uh which

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there is none. Uh, so we'll move on to
6A, new business. Uh, CO A26-00

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216 major project 120 or 162 York
Street, Anton Hummer.

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Would you like to give us uh some
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» Sure. Thank you and thanks for having
me. I'm Anton Hummer uh at 162 York

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Street. Um, so maybe just a little bit
of background. I purchased the property

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back in um, June of last year. Um, so I
was here in October and requested to

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replace the windows and the roof to kind
of improve the house. Um, that work was

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completed. It's not reflected yet in
that photo, but um, but it's going to be

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back again. And um, looking to make some
improvements to the exterior of the home

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now. Um, as you can see there in that
photo, there's an existing fence on the

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one side. It's kind of it's wooden which
is kind of starting to rot and fall down

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a bit. And on the other side and kind of
in the back it's more of a chain link

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kind of style. Um so looking to replace
that with a a PVC style fence um wood

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grain look to it. Um that'll last a lot
longer and just look a bit cleaner, you

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know, in the rear of the property.
Um, also looking to install a 14 by14

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stamped concrete patio just right in the
back of the house there. Um, just to add

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some some living space really on the
nice summer days that hopefully aren't

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as hot as today uh to enjoy the outside
of the property. Um, you know, nothing

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no changes to the to the look of the
property from the from the front. Just

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all all changes to the rear here. Um, so
that's a high level summary. happy to

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take any questions you have.
>> And I'm sorry, I think I jumped the gun.

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Uh, Mr. Whitmore, uh, can you give us
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» No problem. Um, as discussed, this is a
replacement of rear yard fence, uh,

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changed from a wood material to a vinyl
6ft tall PVC fencing, total linear

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length of 227 ft. Um, first identified
on 1907 Sandborn maps as a two-story

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brick building with rear wood frame
porch all with a shingle roof. It is

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also featured in the 1912 maps and
similarly designed but with a slate roof

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at that time. Uh we do have previous
permits as identified. Uh we have the

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roof replacement, window glazing, brick
repointing, installation of hardprove

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vinyl windows and installation of sign
occurring most recently on November 20th

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uh 2025.
uh staff recommendation. Uh in

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particular, we're recommending denial of
this application as the installation of

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vinyl fencing does not meet design
criteria established by the Burough of

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Gettysburg or the US Department of
Interior Secretary standards for the

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treatment of historic properties. An
alternative material such as wood would

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be in keeping with the rear box fence
designs and would meet design

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requirements. That concludes staff
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» Okay. Thank you, Mr. Whitmore. Um,
at this time I'll open up the floor of

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the board members to ask questions of
the applicant and I'll start with Miss

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Stephanie Shar.

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» I don't.
>> Okay. Mr. Wit, um,

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I'm kind of at odds here whether he
wants to put up a PVC

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fence which be woodooking.
What What color are you talking about?

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White or brown? There's um it's a brown
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rendering of it later in the um if you
have the application.

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» This this was denied by the burrow
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» Couple more pages.
Oh, right there in the bottom. It's kind

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of a
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» general this
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» I'm not sure if I have any real problem
with that. Some other people have issues

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with that.
>> Um, well, the I believe uh Mr. Dr.

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Whitmore said the burough would
recommend denying this material.

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All right. So, John, if you can go back
to the tax map

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there. So,

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We had gone we have gone through a
period of

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replacement fences and the popularity of
the vinyl has increased and

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it's created a look in many places
that's just alien to the historic

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district to be honest and uh I
appreciate the fact that you chosen a

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color that's a little subtle, more
subtle, but along this stretch of the

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rear of these properties and some of the
properties, um, Molly and Steve Wilds,

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they were here earlier about 54 East
Middle Street, you can't even see any of

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their backyard from either the alley or
the

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street. So, kind of when you work with
that, and they're putting a very nice

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wood fence on it, but it has limited
visibility.

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This has a great deal of visibility from
the parking lot of the

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um firehouse, which is a very frequently
used place for activities,

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gatherings, people park there. And when
you look at across at this at these kind

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of garage buildings and older fences,

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I I go up that alley frequently because
my office is on that alley just one

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block away. So

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would you consider I mean you have a
wood fence on the one side. I know

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there's some maintenance issues with
wood. I have wood of my own. And I look

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out across a parking lot at a white
vinyl plastic fence

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that's just alien. That's just very um
perfect. That's the best way to

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describe the plastic look. It's just
kind of everything looks the same and

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all plastic. and the materials become
critical in a in the historic district.

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Is wood out of the question for you?
>> Certainly wouldn't be my preference just

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from a maintenance perspective, but if
it's the preferred option,

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» the other question I have
is why such an extensive fence?

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Now, I know there's one side to the west
that does have fence from the back of

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the house to the garage, and that's a
wood fence. It's kind of tumbled down.

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Now, that was on the left side there.
There's an existing wood fence along the

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property line.
>> Um,

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» yeah, and the map Oh, sorry. Well, I was
just going to say, do you expect uh your

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guests to really use that much of the
yard that they need that much privacy or

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» it's just a lot of fence 6 foot high
around that property?

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» So, this rendering here like that this
red outline would not be the

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footprint of the new fence. Um there's
another I don't know if you have the

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application the pictures I submitted. I
can give you a better idea. 27 ft. So

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that's pretty expensive.
This

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» walk kind of show you here.
>> I think this is the gravel parking.

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» Here it is here. So So on the left side
there you can see kind of really from

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the from the rear of the really the
neighbor's house back to the start of

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the the parking area which on the left
side there that's the that's where the

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existing fence is. Um and then along the
back there is already chain link fence

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there. And then on the right side
there's some kind of wiring type, you

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know, fence material. But really just
looking to complete the right side to

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add some symmetric, you know,
symmetricity to the to the design and,

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you know, some privacy, you know, as
well.

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» I've got a neighbor who has a a plastic
fence next to our property and I can

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understand the desiraability of the
plastic. The problem is it's like a

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redwood color and it's fading. It's not
that old

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» and the sun hits it and it it just fades
out. This one you have picked out, the

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tan one, I don't think would have that.
I could see why a white plastic fence

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would look pretty
PVC plumbing type thing. But

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» and that's why we picked that color to
try to, you know, have it

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maintenancefree, have it look clean, but
also, you know, look like as close as we

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could to wood.

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» Well, that's all I have.
>> I have no other question other than the

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fact that the fence does not only impact
the district, it impacts two neighbors

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very significantly.
two adjoining properties that are

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private res well they're residential
apartments now

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» again on the left side that there's an
existing sixoot fence there already so

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there wouldn't really be a change from
>> as Paul's pointed out the wood a wood

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fence ages differently than plastic it's
more subtle look it's it's it is a

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maintenance issue They at what ages it
kind of becomes softer in appearance

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than more harsh.
>> I have no other questions and I went

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into too much discussion already.
>> I don't really have any questions. I

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mean I feel bad. It's just that it
doesn't comply with what we are allow.

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» Sure.
>> Okay.

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» Doesn't comply. Yeah. I mean I have a
white fence. I'm not in the B. I am in

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the burrow, but I'm not in the historic
district. Let me clarify that. Um, and

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it actually I do have to clean it a lot.
But, um, yeah, it just I'm sorry. It

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doesn't fit.
>> Yeah. Would I be able to get approval

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for recommendation for approval if I did
it with wood instead?

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» I think so. Right.
>> I believe so.

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» Yeah.

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Does
>> that need to be a separate application

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or could I we could take care of that
here today?

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» I believe we can make a motion to
approve once we

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» I'm good.
>> Okay, you're good.

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» Right with Susan.
>> Okay.

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» Staff would just recommend in making
that app making that motion to specify

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the material as wood. Then we can make
that the condition.

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» Okay. So, I guess I go through the
proposed finding effect.

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Um the structure at 162 York Street is
located within the boundaries of the

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Gettysburg Historic District and thus
comes under the review right of this

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board is subject to oversight under
chapter 11 of the burrow of Gettysburg

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Municipal Code which governs the
preservation of historic and

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architecturally significant areas within
the burrow. It is a sensitive building

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as defined by the Gettysburg municipal
code being over 50 years old and

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represents a vernacular interpretation
of Greek revival style with early

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Italianade influence.
Uh the building is a contri contributing

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structure to the Gettysburg Battlefield
Historic District with a long history in

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the Burrow of Gettysburg. Constructed
circa 1850 as a twostory brick dwelling

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and its masonry construction, balanced
proportions and modest ornate treatment

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aligned with our local vernacular forms
that bridge the early federal and late

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Italian architectures.
The proposed work is considered a major

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project with exterior alterations to a
sensitive building, including

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replacement of 227 linear feet of 6ft
tall fencing in the rear yard with a

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material change from wood to vinyl PVC
and construct a new 14x14 stamp patio.

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The property is viewable from the public
way of York Street and East Racorse

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Alley.
The Secretary of Interior Standards and

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Gettysburg Design Guide both play a
crucial role in our historic

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preservation process. Please consider
the following. Standard 9, compatible

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alterations provides that new additions,
exterior alterations

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uh and related site improvements should
be compatible with the historic property

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in terms of scale, design, materials,
workmanship, and overall visual

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character. Accordingly, proposed
elements including the replacement

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fencing and patio should remain
compatible with the historic character

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of the structure in terms of scale,
proportion, material, finish, and

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architectural appearance. At this point,
is there a motion by this board as a

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issuance of a certificate of
appropriateness to the burrow for the

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proposed work? And are there any
additional conditions this board would

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advise be added to the application?
>> Joe, John had a comment. Um just to

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confirm with the findings of fact that
the material would be wood that just

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» correct. So in the motion
>> so I'll make a motion to propose

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acceptance
if it is confirmed that the material is

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worth
in a prettier way. You can say that

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nicely.

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So, there is a motion to approve the 227
linear feet of 6ft bench in the rear

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yard uh with a proposed material of
wood. Um, do we need to specify a style

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» and you you had the option to do so, but
this time the issue that staff found and

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recommend basically material itself.
Okay.

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» There's a specific design you'd like to
see other than what's being provided by

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the
clarify style.

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» Do you want to specify a style?
>> No.

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» Okay.
Um,

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so we have a
proposed motion. Is there a second?

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I'll second it.
>> Okay. Mr. Spitler has second. Uh,

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all in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I. Uh any opposed?
All right. So, the motion has been

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approved uh for the new fence in a wood
material.

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Are there any questions about the patio?
>> No questions about the patio.

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» Okay.

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» Well, you good.
>> Just want to make sure we didn't miss

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it. Thank you.

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» Okay.

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Moving on to new business COA26-000061

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critical project 26 East High Street. Uh
Kevin Buyers.

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» Yep.
>> And I guess we'll go to Mr. Whitmore for

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the background of the project. This is a
rear exterior construction to include a

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new patio, masonry fireplace, 8 in
square, 8 foot tall endura stone pro

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series columns on second floor balcony,
replacement exterior ceiling with wood,

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and construction of a 6 ftx 8 ft utility
shed. Structure first appears on the

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1912 Sandborn maps as a two-story brick
dwelling with a slate or tin roof with

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iron shutters. Um, numerous permits uh
since 2013 are found. The most recent

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involved with minor subdivision uh
related to consolidating parking to the

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rear of the structure. But otherwise,
um, in February of 2025, there were, um,

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um, improvements to the structure
itself, including replacement of front

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awning, painting the wood, replacing
rear vinyl siding with LP siding,

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conversion to of electric to gas
lighting elements, and interior work to

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include new kitchen laundry room
bathrooms, adding a gas fireplace, and

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electric upgrades. Um, staff recommends
that any historic features that can be

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repaired and restored should be
preserved. Uh the applicant should

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discuss the current condition of the
facade and proposed window style with

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board members. Um additionally the um
any the

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accessory structure uh the utility shed.
Um the appropriateness of exterior

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architectural features which can be seen
from a public street rightway is a point

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of consideration as is the general
design arrangement, texture, material

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and color of the building sign or fence
and the relation of such factors to

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similar features in the district. That
concludes the report with a

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recommendation based on um factors two
and five of the US Secretary of

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Interior's standards for the
rehabilitation and guidelines for

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rehabilitating historic buildings 2017.
Okay. Uh thank you. Uh would you like to

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give us a summary of your project?
>> Yes. So um to the rear currently um

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we'll go down the list. So currently the
there's vinyl railing and vinyl columns

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uh on the second floor to the back. And
we're looking to replace that vinyl with

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um it's a endura cast stone. It's going
to be painted, so it will look like

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wood, but it's actually a cast stone
supportive column. Um, and then for the

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railing was just going to be a black rot
iron uh railing.

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So, it would have painted columns, rot
iron railing. Um

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that
and then working down the ceiling to

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that second floor balcony and the
ceiling that would

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that picture was just included to show
that's the only pvious part of my

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property. Everything else is already
blacked top or concreted.

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Uh that's that's for the front which
we're not doing anything with that.

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Um but anyway, so replace the vinyl
columns, the vinyl railing with uh newer

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columns. Replace the Yeah. replace the
ceiling above, which again is all vinyl

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um with wood. Um and that would be on
the second floor ceiling and the first

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floor porch ceiling. Take away the
vinyl, make it wood. Um and then there's

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a there's the columns. there is a um
outline there or a a plan of the

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property. So, we do want to enclose with
a privacy fence which would be six foot.

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It'll be wood. Um I think I sent a
picture of the fence in as well there.

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Be similar to that. The boards would
overlap. It would be finished on both

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sides just like the other gentleman had
said for his. Um, and that would just

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kind of enclose a little um, PA patio
out back. And then the only other two

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things would be the shed itself, which I
think this the notes say um, 6x8, but

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it's going to be 6x10, but with the
overhangs, it'll end up being 7 by 10.

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And that would fit to the one side of
the property. It's kind of a salt box

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carriage style. Um, the siding on that
is going to match the approved LP smart

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siding that's actually on the taking
down vinyl siding and putting LP smart

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siding um to the back of the house as
well. So, that'll just match that. It'll

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be the same same thing. Um,
oh, and then the only other thing would

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be we're actually proposing a masonry uh
fireplace to the rear of this this new

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patio section. And I have kind of a
pretty close example of what that would

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look like.
So, it's fireplace, shed, pavers, fence,

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replace vinyl with wood andor
uh rod iron.

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Okay. If there's uh nothing more, we can
uh open up to the board to ask

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questions. make comments.
We can start with you, Mr. Wit.

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» I have no questions or comments now.

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» So,
if you if you'd go to Can you show this

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picture?

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So, you're changing the exist You're
changing a lot of material on this back

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porch. Well, yeah. The the siding to the
right is vinyl, and that's going to be

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that was already approved as part of
this current um permit, but that's going

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to be the LP smart siding, which is
basically wood and then painted. Um and

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then yes, the vinyl would disappear.
>> And so, and you're replacing that with

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the this wood?
>> Yes.

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» Material for the
>> be like a tongue and groove wood ceiling

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for
um each of the two. And then the columns

424
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,440
are just going to be a um
they're not PVC, it's called Endura

425
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Stone. It's but they're they're
weightbearing uh Craftsman style

426
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,480
uh columns.
>> Okay.

427
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,200
» Is it plastic?
>> I'm sorry. I'm not

428
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,119
» It is
>> um

429
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:34,880
» it will be it's not plastic, but it it's
called Endura Stone Pro. Let me I'll see

430
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:38,880
what it's actually made of.
But you have a currently they're all

431
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,560
just wood columns. Wood
>> wrapped in vinyl.

432
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,760
» Yeah.
>> Okay. And

433
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,200
» even the upper columns are wrapped in
vinyl.

434
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,000
» Yeah. The two downstairs ones are not.
They are wood.

435
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:58,720
The two green ones on the front. But all
of those up top there are wrapped in

436
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,800
vinyl. just
and that railing is only about I don't

437
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:08,960
know
28 30 in tall

438
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:12,160
» and that is a vinyl railing now. Okay.
>> Um

439
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,280
» so it's a fiberglass reinforced polymer
stronger than concrete and steel by

440
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:19,240
weight.
>> Okay.

441
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:19,240
» A stone column

442
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,119
» and a rod iron railing. A very
decorative railing.

443
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,920
» Yeah. Okay.
>> Well, it's I mean at the at the very top

444
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,280
there's like 6 in that has a little bit
of a

445
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:38,440
» Mhm.
>> decorative, but the rest of it, you

446
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,440
know, just

447
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:50,960
it just seems like a very modern update
to a kind of what was it? A late

448
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:57,119
Victorian house, Italian 8 influence
house. You don't see many porches kind

449
00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:01,680
of variate from the the white fence or
the white railing.

450
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,240
» Um,
okay. I do have a question.

451
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,920
» Oh, I was just going to say, sorry. Um,
there's iron on the front of the house.

452
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:17,280
There's a, you know, stairs to the front
that has black railing. So, rod iron is

453
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:21,920
kind of part of the house already in the
front.

454
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:27,440
» Okay.
Um, as far as the shed, is is it a

455
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:31,200
permanent structure? Is there a
foundation? Is or is it just kind of

456
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,720
dropped off and
>> Well, it's not going to be dropped off.

457
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,599
It'll be stick built there, but it'll be
it'll just sit on the macadam that's

458
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,599
already there.
>> Okay.

459
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:49,200
All right. I don't have any more
questions. Yeah, my my questions are

460
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:54,880
very similar to Joe's as far as I just
think uh

461
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,920
even though the railings and columns are
plastic.

462
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,839
Um
did you install them?

463
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,839
» No, we just I just we just purchased the
property two and a half years ago. So I

464
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:12,480
don't know how long those have been
there. Um, I would imagine they possibly

465
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:18,480
replicated particularly
particularly the

466
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:26,320
railing replicated pretty much the style
that was on the porch. As Joe said, we

467
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:32,000
don't see row iron railings on porches
in general that were there that style.

468
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,800
Um
just we

469
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:44,640
it's not unusual for these houses front
and back or front porches when these

470
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:49,839
properties were built. Um very few
railings were put on the lower porches

471
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,800
and very few railings
on stairs and everything. And as they've

472
00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:00,720
been added over time, you're correct.
They have gotten rod iron and iron

473
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:07,680
railings on the front. on these steps
because they were they were added. They

474
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:13,280
were a later addition. Um even now we're
hearing we're seeing code enforcement

475
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:21,839
direct people that have apartments to
put railings on. So we're getting deck

476
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:28,400
style railings on the front of houses.
I just

477
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:34,240
the endura the lower columns look like
they pretty much replicate what may have

478
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:40,480
been original because a lot of these on
back porches and rear porches had a

479
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:45,359
square column with a beveled corner and
it had a little bit of decorative

480
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:51,359
element to it. But
um

481
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:58,319
the how large I mean your rendering
makes those columns go from very thin

482
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:02,160
look very heavy and out of proportion
>> right well to space them out properly up

483
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,160
because the other thing with this is
we're planning to take those stairs away

484
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:09,599
right now there's I don't know if
there's a better picture but there's

485
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:14,640
there was a second floor apartment
upstairs before so there's these stairs

486
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:18,800
that come down. So, they would come off
and then that would make those two

487
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,640
columns to spread them out correctly. Uh
they're basically about 8 feet in

488
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:26,720
between each one of those. So, those
columns upstairs would would move to

489
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,000
make it more symmetrical or that was the
plan

490
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:36,640
because without the stairs,
>> how big are the columns?

491
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:40,720
» Um they're very small. They're
five, six inches. I don't know. They're

492
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,200
not. They're probably only four to five
inches.

493
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,400
» 8 in square.
>> They're 8 inch square, which is not

494
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,079
» Oh, you mean the new columns? I thought
you meant the old ones.

495
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:53,040
» The Yeah, the the the new ones would be
wider than the old ones. Yeah, I thought

496
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,640
you were talking about the width of the
old ones.

497
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,640
» That's Yeah, that's a larger column than
would have been typical for that house.

498
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:06,119
» Well, it's closer to the size of the
ones that are currently downstairs on

499
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,119
the first floor.

500
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:17,280
We're going to have the white up
up pieces and then the crack metal

501
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:22,800
railing, black metal railing on that.
>> Yeah, these would get painted a trim

502
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:28,079
color there. It' be more of a um well,
it's called a stone color, but it's more

503
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:32,560
of a grayish tan color because that's
the color of the siding. Um, so they're

504
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,560
not going to be white. They will be
painted.

505
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,880
And then the black,
which I can try to find a less

506
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:46,480
decorative black and just I was having
trouble finding an affordable solution.

507
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:52,319
I went to a metal fabricator in handover
to just get single pickets and his price

508
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:55,119
was just crazy. But I was able to find
these. I don't know if I can find them

509
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,079
without the decorative so that they're
just slats there.

510
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,480
which would which would replicate more
of what's out front on the front steps,

511
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,640
which is just a railing with straight
row iron.

512
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,520
» Um, no further questions right now.

513
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,359
» So, the fence is wood, right?
>> Yes.

514
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,680
» Yeah, that wasn't I don't think it was
listed in here. We have to make sure we

515
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,200
list that.
>> Oh, yes. There was a picture included,

516
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:38,040
but yeah, it's wood.
>> Yeah, I don't really have any questions.

517
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,040
» I don't have any either.

518
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:42,359
Okay.

519
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:49,920
All right. I guess I'll go through the
proposed finding effect.

520
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:54,960
Uh
the structure at 26 East High Street is

521
00:44:53,280 --> 00:45:00,800
located within the boundaries of the
Gettysburg Historic District and thus

522
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:05,440
comes under the right review right of
this board. It is subject to oversight

523
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,520
under chapter 11 of the Burough of
Gettysburg Municipal Code which governs

524
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,599
the preservation of historic and
architecturally significant areas within

525
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:18,079
the burrow.
Two, it is a sensitive building as

526
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:22,960
defined by the Gettysburg Municipal Code
being over 50 years old and represents a

527
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,400
vernacular commercial residential
building with late Victorian and Italian

528
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,760
influence. The building is a
contributing resource within the

529
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:36,640
Gettysburg Battlefield Historic
District. First depicted on the 1912

530
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:42,400
Sandborn maps as a two-story brick
dwelling with a slate or tin roof and

531
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,359
iron shutters. Uh the structure
continues to convey its historic

532
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:51,920
character through its masonry
construction, vernacular Victorian form,

533
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:56,720
asymmetrical facade and a projecting
second story bay window, decorative

534
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:02,240
cornice treatment and traditional urban
lot configuration. The proposed work is

535
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:07,040
considered a major project
uh with exterior alterations to a

536
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:12,880
sensitive building including replacement
of first and second floor columns and

537
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:20,800
railing, exterior ceiling, second floor
balcony railing, uh the construction of

538
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:26,640
a 16x 24 patio and surrounding 6ft tall
wood privacy fence. construction of a

539
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:31,440
masonry fireplace and construction of a
6' x10 ft utility shed. The property is

540
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:36,720
viewable from the public way on East
High Street and East Legion Alley. Uh

541
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,760
the Secretary of Interior Standards and
Gettysburg Design Guide both play a

542
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,280
crucial role in our historic
preservation process. Please consider

543
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:50,160
the following. Standard 9 compatible al
alterations provides that new additions,

544
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:54,560
exterior alterations, and related site
improvements should be compatible with

545
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:59,760
the historic property in terms of scale,
design, materials, workmanship, and

546
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,920
overall visual character. Accordingly,
proposed elements include a patio,

547
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,760
masonry fireplace, utility shed,
fencing, and replacement columns and

548
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,000
railing, and should be evaluated for
their compatibility with the historic

549
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:16,640
character of the structure and its
setting.

550
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:20,560
Uh, one thing that came up during his
presentation, it was about the rear

551
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,200
stair.
>> We can't address that at this time. Is

552
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:28,040
that correct?
>> Was already

553
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:28,040
» or was it already approved?

554
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:35,319
I believe that was previously approved
in 2025. Um, let me go back.

555
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,480
» Can I say something real quick while
you're looking?

556
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:50,119
» Would it look less modern if this
ceiling was painted?

557
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:05,640
instead of stained wood. You mean?
>> Yeah.

558
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:14,160
» We don't want it to look more modern.
>> No, I meant I didn't mean more modern.

559
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:18,640
I'm sorry. I meant
>> it looks more modern wood than it would

560
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:24,280
be if it were painted.
>> Oh, so a painted ceiling. Their

561
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:37,760
question was, should the columns be
smaller like the upper columns?

562
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:42,480
» When I look at the back picture with the
white, even though they're vinyl, the

563
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:48,000
white, the back photograph of what's
there now is very much in character with

564
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:53,119
what the house would have looked.
>> The rod iron is alien.

565
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:57,760
Um
if it's

566
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:02,240
if the columns are a little I think 8 in
is bigger than

567
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:10,400
generally on the properties we've done
we use a 6x6 column

568
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:15,440
um for porch columns uh
8 in by 8 in

569
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,640
just a heavier look.
>> Do you wrap those 6 in x 6 in columns?

570
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:24,240
» Pardon? Do those 6 in x 6 in columns you
refer to get wrapped then or just

571
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:33,200
painted?
>> I think that the endura stone or the

572
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:39,280
there's other there's other PVC
columns that have a that are made that

573
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:45,440
have the weightbearing capacity that are
6x6.

574
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:49,680
I even found some hollow well wooden
columns that are structural that are

575
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:54,480
hollow in the middle that I could I
could use those too. But I was I was

576
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,760
looking for an 8 in
as opposed to

577
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:04,240
» I think that's just heavier than what if
we can get the pictures back. It I think

578
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:11,920
it would have had a white railing uh p
similar to what was there. You know, it

579
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:18,720
shows up in 1912 on the tax tax maps
that kind of dates it much earlier.

580
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:22,920
» It's It was built in 1908.
>> Pardon?

581
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,920
» It was built in 1908.

582
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:35,440
» The current columns, even though they're
modern, you said they're vinyl, but

583
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:40,319
they're still turned. So they have a
instead of just a straight form, they

584
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:43,520
have character.
>> Yeah. And there's all kinds of different

585
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:48,160
styles as you walk around. Some are
turned like that. Some are just like the

586
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:53,960
the bottom ones there, which are just
they just have shaving on the corners

587
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:53,960
and things like that.

588
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:04,640
» I
my I think the port should retain the

589
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:11,040
white
um railing of the and I'm not going to

590
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:14,160
stipulate any height because I don't
know whether this is a vacation rental

591
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,839
now or will be
>> well I'm I'm going to live there when

592
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:23,280
I'm here but for part of the year about
a third of the year I would probably

593
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:27,520
want to offer to short-term rental but
it'll be my primary residence

594
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:34,240
» because I don't know what that does to
the railing a private residence can have

595
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:37,280
a three-foot railing a commercial use
>> shortterm goes to commercial. So 42 in,

596
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,000
» right?
>> Oh, I thought it was 40. It's 42.

597
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:50,559
» 42 on a commercial.
>> So still I would pref I myself think

598
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:55,839
um the white square
columns that look about the same as the

599
00:51:52,880 --> 00:52:01,280
ones on the first floor, the green ones,
is an appropriate look for back porch.

600
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:06,880
Even though the vinyl ones were turned,
that's probably a little bit more

601
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:14,480
decorative than they would have had on a
rear porch. Um, we saw them mainly in

602
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:20,480
town. We see them mainly on front porch.
Um, so I have no issue with the square

603
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:26,800
column that's
a a little smaller, but I would I will

604
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:36,240
have I would prefer and would recommend
we ask for the white railing um the

605
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:42,240
traditional top rail square
um pickets and bottom rail rather than a

606
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,839
ornamental rod iron.
>> I could do that. Um,

607
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:51,440
» it's not going to be PVC though. It'll
be wood. I don't you know

608
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:58,079
» it doesn't I I would not actually You've
got vinyl material in place.

609
00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:03,359
I think you could use one of the vinyl
railings that replicates.

610
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,720
» Well, we want to try to make this house
more like it looked too. So, we would go

611
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:11,760
to that's why we're trying to replace
some of this vinyl with wood.

612
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:17,040
So my point is simply that's a very
strong look and it's very close to I

613
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,800
think what would have been original to
the building.

614
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:24,680
» Okay.
>> And the rod iron is a different look

615
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:34,599
and I don't think I mean that would be a
change from what was there. I don't

616
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,599
think it would had raw iron.

617
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,760
So, would you be okay if we made a
motion to

618
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:50,240
change the porch railings to the
specified whatever is required height,

619
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,520
» right? Required height, which 42 in and
the more of a more of a spindle,

620
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:58,079
» right? White.
>> Well, yeah, I guess it won't be white.

621
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:04,599
It'll be painted a
>> painted to match the trim.

622
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,599
» Yeah, I don't like white.

623
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:15,680
and the columns to be six inch square.
Is that is that what you're saying? Six

624
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,680
inch square
columns.

625
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:30,319
Um I don't know if I want to be that
specific. I I'd like them to be about

626
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:33,040
what's on the first floor. And
>> yeah, there won't be

627
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,160
» saying those are eight, but I don't
think those are 8 in squares.

628
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:40,400
» I think they're about six.
>> If they are, they're appropriate.

629
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,680
» But
>> so the columns to match the columns on

630
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,000
the first floor. You're keeping the
columns on the first floor.

631
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:52,880
» Well, I wasn't planning to, but if I am,
then I have to I don't know if they'll

632
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:58,400
match. Well, if they could if they could
the columns could be

633
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,880
similar size to the columns that are
there currently.

634
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:05,640
» I can do 6 in
>> wooden columns is what you're looking

635
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,640
for.

636
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:16,520
» Okay.
>> And then a

637
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,520
similar spindle type railing

638
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:24,240
42 in.
Yeah, I mean that's my recommendation if

639
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:30,720
the board.
>> So I guess we the the motion that we put

640
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:36,640
forward would be to
approve uh the replacement of the first

641
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:44,960
and second floor columns
and and railing

642
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:51,280
uh with 6 in wooden or composite
>> wooden columns.

643
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:55,359
Um, a 42 inch railing.
>> Are we specifying a design?

644
00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:00,720
» Not red iron.
>> Okay. But it could be a composite or PVC

645
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,760
or
>> Okay.

646
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,880
» Or wood.
>> Or wood.

647
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:12,240
Just not rot iron.
>> Correct.

648
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:18,799
» Okay. Well, a simple traditional a
traditional

649
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:20,880
railing similar to what's in place.
>> This compliant with code.

650
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,480
» What?
>> This compliant with code. Correct. Okay.

651
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:30,240
» Right.
>> Wood ceiling

652
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:34,880
» compliant with code.
>> All right. So, we're going to go with is

653
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,680
» wood fence.
>> The the motion would be to replace the

654
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:46,160
first and second floor columns.
uh with 6-inch wooden columns,

655
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:54,240
uh either a wood composite or PVC fence
that is code compliant.

656
00:56:48,480 --> 00:57:02,400
Um the exterior ceiling in wood.
Uh construct a new 16x 24 patio and

657
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:07,920
surrounding 6 ft tall wood fence. uh
construction of the masonry fireplace

658
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:11,720
and construction of a six foot by 10
foot utility shed.

659
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:23,359
» Does the shed have to be specify what
what materials was it listed?

660
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:28,799
» It'll be the LP smart siding wood
>> wood and then architectural shingles.

661
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:36,000
But
>> I believe that was in here. Okay.

662
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:39,760
All right. So, is that a motion by you?
>> All right. We have a motion made by Miss

663
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,760
Suzanne Christensen. Do we have a
second?

664
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:49,839
» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor say I.

665
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:55,359
» I.
>> Any opposed?

666
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:59,200
Uh, so motion will pass with with
considerations. Yes.

667
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,839
» Thank you.
>> Thank you so appreciate it.

668
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,319
» It'll be gorgeous.
>> I can't wait.

669
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:17,200
» You know, you have to wait till the
burrow meeting is the burough council

670
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:21,680
meeting is
>> it'll be July 13th.

671
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,520
» July 13th. And then you'll you should
start buying material then,

672
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,040
» right?
>> Yep. Okay.

673
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,920
» I mean, when they approve it, if they
approve it,

674
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,960
move.
>> Yeah.

675
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:39,200
» When
have a good night. Appreciate your time.

676
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:45,040
» And I see we have representation for 312
Baltimore Street. Mr. Ted Hurt. Uh Mr.

677
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:48,400
Whitmore, can you give us a background
on the project?

678
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,760
» Uh yes. This is the reconstruction of
the exterior facade of the carriage

679
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:58,000
house to include a new carriage door
design. This project had previously been

680
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:03,280
presented to the board. Um, the parcel
has been scoped on the 18/19 Sandborn

681
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:08,880
maps as a two-story brick dwelling with
a tin or slate roof and rear wood framed

682
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:14,880
porch all with shingled roof. A carriage
house is shown as 318 12 and comprises a

683
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:19,359
1.5tory woodframe structure with shingle
roof and side portion being onetory

684
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:24,240
tall. It is also featured in the 1912
map, similarly designed but with a slate

685
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:28,720
roof. By 1902, the structures on site
had uh changed with the carriage house

686
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:33,760
now being a twostory brick structure
with a slater tin roof. The structure

687
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:39,760
remained on the same uh remained the
same in 1907 Sanborn maps but was

688
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:45,920
updated in 1902 1912 map sorry to
include onestory southacing addition

689
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:51,280
with a slate or tin roof. Um, terms of
land use permits, most recent was in

690
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:56,559
June uh for the emergency repairs to the
foundation and exterior wall. Um, staff

691
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,520
recommends that any historic features
that can be repaired and restored should

692
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,520
be preserved. The applicant should
discuss the current condition of the

693
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:07,280
facade and proposed window style door
style with board members. uh the

694
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,480
appropriateness of the exterior
architectural features which can be seen

695
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,920
from a public street or of wideway and
the general design or arrangement

696
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:18,000
texture material and color of the
building sign or fence and the relation

697
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:22,240
of such factors or to similar features
in the districts are point of

698
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:26,000
consideration and then um establishing
the um US Secretary of Interior

699
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:30,640
standards for rehabilitation and
guidelines for rehabilitating historic

700
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:34,400
districts. Um there the enumerated
standards in particular uh the historic

701
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:38,400
character of the property shall be
retained and preserved. The removal of

702
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:42,240
historic materials or alteration of
features and spaces that characterize a

703
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:45,760
property shall be avoided and
distinctive features, finishes and

704
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,680
construction techniques or examples of
craftsmanship that characterize a

705
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:55,839
property shall be preserved. That
concludes the staff report.

706
01:00:51,839 --> 01:01:00,079
» Thank you, Mr. Whitmore. Um
good evening. Would you like to tell us

707
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:05,359
uh a description of your project?
>> Uh yes. My name is uh Ted Hurt and uh

708
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:11,119
the corporate ownership is actually the
uh company called Gard LLC, but I'm the

709
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:17,839
manager and co-owner.
And um I mean by way of background, we

710
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:23,520
had an emergency permit uh granted uh
because basically the the wall uh was

711
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:28,880
basically literally coming down in April
and we had to shore it up. uh and

712
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:35,760
basically then we filed uh the
application and uh we actually were

713
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:42,480
before this body I believe it is May 20
and at that time uh we walked through

714
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:48,880
the design proposal which was basically
replicating

715
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:52,559
the carriage door facade style
uh somewhat different from what you see

716
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:58,400
but basically the same style and we
submitted the drawings to that effect

717
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:04,000
and uh Mr. Hartzell is with me and he's
also submitted I believe to Mr. Whitmore

718
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,599
uh what the what the U designs would be
for the door and windows in question

719
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:13,359
because that came up at the at the
meeting as well. So basically we're

720
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:17,240
trying to replicate what it was before
the collapse of April.

721
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:29,000
Okay, thank you. I'll open up the floor
to the board for comments or questions.

722
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,000
Mr. Schaefer, do you want to start?

723
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:39,280
So, um,
what are you actually then proposing

724
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,280
with this?
Um,

725
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:53,839
okay. We had some question about how the
windows were divided in the last month's

726
01:02:50,799 --> 01:03:00,799
discussion and I've been back and and
the smaller divisions in the windows

727
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:08,160
and door are appropriate to the building
because the dormers and everything have

728
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:13,040
very old small pane window.
Um,

729
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:20,000
yeah. I have no questions in regard to
this new design.

730
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:23,280
» Yeah, you're doing the the white board
and the brick in between,

731
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:28,000
» right?
>> Yes.

732
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:32,960
» Yeah. Yep. No questions.
>> Down to you, Stephanie?

733
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:36,400
» No. No questions.
>> All right.

734
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:41,200
I'll go on to the proposed finding
effect. The structure at 312 Baltimore

735
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:45,280
Street is located within the boundaries
of the Gettysburg Historic District and

736
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:49,839
this comes under the review rights of
this board. It is subject to oversight

737
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:54,559
under chapter 11 of the Bureau of
Gettysburg Municipal Code which governs

738
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:58,799
the preservation of historic and
architecturally significant areas within

739
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:03,280
the burrow. It is a sensitive building
as defined in the Gettysburg municipal

740
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:08,880
code being over 50 years old and
represents a 19th century brick carriage

741
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:13,440
house or stable building exhibiting
vernacular architecture. The building is

742
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:18,000
a contributing resource within the
Gettysburg Battlefield Historic

743
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:24,240
District. First depicted on the 1896
Sanborn map and by 1902 the structure is

744
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:30,240
described in its current form as a one
and a halftory brick carriage house with

745
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:34,960
slate or tin roof and exhibits a simple
design which is utilitarian rather than

746
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,720
stylistic emphasizing function over
ornament. The building's historic

747
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,680
character is conveyed through its
masonry construction, simple massing and

748
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:48,640
large carriage openings. The proposed
work is considered a major project with

749
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:52,880
the exterior alterations to a sensitive
building or site including

750
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,680
reconstruction of exterior facade of
rear carriage house to include new

751
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:02,799
carriage door design as presented in the
proposed exterior elevation option two.

752
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:06,160
The property is viewable from the public
way of Baltimore Street and schoolhouse

753
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:10,640
alley.
The Secretary of the Interior Standards

754
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:14,559
and the Gettysburg Design Guide both
play a crucial role in our historic

755
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:20,160
preservation process. Please consider
the following. Standard two, historic

756
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:24,240
character. The proposed work retains and
preserves the historic character of the

757
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,839
property includes including those
features, materials, and spatial

758
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,480
relationships that convey its
significance as a historic resource.

759
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:36,559
Standard nine, new work. Any new
construction, reconstruction,

760
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:40,960
replacement, features, or exterior
alteration should remain compatible with

761
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,920
the historic character of the property
and district while remaining

762
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:49,440
distinguishable from the original
historic fabric. At this point, is there

763
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:53,839
a motion by this board as to an issuance
of a certificate of appropriateness to

764
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,839
burrow counsel for the proposed work?
Are there any other conditions or

765
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:03,440
stipulations that the board would
advise?

766
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:09,359
I also have one comment.
>> Go ahead.

767
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:16,480
» After last meeting, it was recommended
that we change to a two panel manor

768
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,640
instead of what was proposed on the
design,

769
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:23,039
» which we did,
>> and was recommended that we eliminate

770
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,880
the
uh 6 over6 light

771
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:33,599
windows.
>> Mhm. Um there was some controversial

772
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,720
comments made by the board about like
the existing windows that wasn't

773
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:40,240
necessarily true.
>> Okay.

774
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:44,799
» Um but we did eliminate them as well
kind of with the board recommendation of

775
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:49,440
trying to move in that direction. The
both structures do have windows that

776
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:55,920
have grids in them currently. Um but the
new window will not based off of what we

777
01:06:52,319 --> 01:07:04,079
heard you guys uh
desiring and then the the door will keep

778
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:10,799
the nine light um extruded or it's in
the light. Um

779
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:14,559
» okay. So so this design is what you're
proposing is changed from this design

780
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,319
» those two things. Correct.
>> Okay.

781
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:25,160
Are there any questions from the board
based on that comment? And Miss Meer,

782
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,160
that's Darren Hartzell.

783
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:33,200
» So, you've you've already replaced them,
right? Or no?

784
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:36,720
» Well, we've changed the design to not
match that based off of last meeting's

785
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:40,640
comments, basically.
>> Okay.

786
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:43,839
» All right. So, the two comments were
that the the window on the left have no

787
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:50,960
grids,
>> correct? And the second was a instead of

788
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:54,559
the nine light door or
>> instead of a smooth panel door, it's a

789
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,359
two panel.
>> Okay.

790
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:06,039
» To resemble the existing wood two panel
door 9 that was there before the

791
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,039
reation.

792
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:14,640
So, and I think that goes back to your
comment about the the light, the divided

793
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:22,080
light.
>> Yeah, we we had basically

794
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:28,560
focused all on the front elevation and
if if that's what we stipulated, I can

795
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:32,960
go with it. But in going back and
walking around more closely after that

796
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:41,839
last meeting,
the windows and everything all have

797
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:49,279
grids on all the other sides. So,
but it it's not inappropriate to

798
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:52,719
prove what we did la, you know, to
continue with what we directed them to

799
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:58,759
do last month.
>> Okay.

800
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,759
It says

801
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,759
using the main house struct using the
main house structure.

802
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:26,880
Yeah, the garden is very short. I don't
know. This is so much stuff.

803
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:32,159
» Basically, the way that I interpreted
the meeting and the questions and the

804
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:36,719
comments from last meeting was that
when these bridged windows are being

805
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:40,719
replaced,
>> you guys would like to see

806
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:45,440
» solid
windows. When the rest of these windows

807
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:50,640
get replaced in this building, they
would be getting replaced to match the

808
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:57,040
house and the new window since we're not
doing an entire

809
01:09:53,440 --> 01:10:01,199
renovation. They won't match
for now, but when they do get renovated,

810
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:05,679
the rest of them do get replaced, they
at that point match this particular.

811
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:08,080
» So the so the window on the left is
going to be a one over one.

812
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:14,000
» Correct.
>> And then the door will be

813
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:15,040
» it is a nine light. It will be a nine
light.

814
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:20,360
» It will be a nine light.
>> Yeah.

815
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,360
» Just a nine light two panel. Make sure

816
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,320
» Jen
whatever

817
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:38,360
» has the window on the left been bought?
>> It has.

818
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:47,440
» Yeah, cuz that wouldn't match what's
shown here for the front building.

819
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:51,679
» Yeah, we looked at the house. Yeah.
>> And took that as the direction.

820
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:54,880
» We only we only changed it because of
the recommendation from the last.

821
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,679
» Mhm.
>> Thank you.

822
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:05,120
» I agree. I think that would look nicer,
but

823
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:08,120
» Okay. Well, is there a
motion

824
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:26,960
Okay, I'll do it. Nobody else will I'll
make a motion

825
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:32,159
to
um

826
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:38,239
to accept the proposal with the
clarification

827
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:44,159
that the window will be a one over one
and the door will remain

828
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:48,280
in my right. Is that what you call it?
like my

829
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,280
» Mhm.

830
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:54,360
» And that the materials
are brick

831
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:02,800
and wood as described. That's wood. Is
that That's wood. Okay.

832
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:09,520
As described in the proposal.
>> Okay.

833
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:15,280
So, it's pretty much the the motion is
to be approved as submitted with the

834
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:18,400
addition of the one over one window,
>> right?

835
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:23,280
» And the nine light.
>> Well, I mean, the the door that's there

836
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,960
isn't is a nine light. You're replacing
the door with the same door,

837
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:30,159
» right? A similar door.
>> Style door.

838
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:37,719
» Yeah, same style door.
>> Okay. Well, it's just different than

839
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:37,719
submitted. Okay. Uh, is there a second?

840
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:45,440
» I'll second.
>> Oh, second by Mr. Wit. Uh, all in favor

841
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,960
say I.
>> I.

842
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,280
» I.
>> All opposed.

843
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:57,640
None. Okay.
Thank you.

844
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:05,120
» Thanks.
and you know to wait until uh the

845
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:08,600
burough council approves this before you
do all your work.

846
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:20,960
» All right. So
that is the end of new business.

847
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:25,360
We're on to
section seven reports.

848
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:29,159
» Thanks.
>> Thank you.

849
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,159
» Thank you.

850
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:37,040
Is that me or is that you?
>> Um, if if you have nothing to report on,

851
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:40,080
we can provide the the COA. Um, I
>> have nothing to report on.

852
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:43,040
» Okay. Yes, we did have four uh
certificates of appropriateness for

853
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:51,040
minor projects that were
administratively approved. Um, those are

854
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:55,760
provided on the um agenda. The draft
chapter 11 historic district ordinance

855
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:02,719
updates. We received some comment from
board members. we provided a draft. Um

856
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:07,520
the expectation is that at the July 15th
meeting, which is going to be here

857
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:13,120
before we know it, um at that meeting,
then we would probably seek a

858
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:17,360
recommendation for the changes. Um the
HARB is providing a recommendation to

859
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:25,520
council. Ultimately, the historic
district is their review. Um

860
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:29,920
there have been um specific wants that
they would like to see specifically as

861
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:36,400
it relates to administrative processes
and providing opportunities for

862
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:39,520
increased uh um I would say providing
opportunities for increased

863
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:44,480
administrative review to eliminate
potential for increased building opport

864
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:50,640
building building costs associated with
having to go through an a longer review

865
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:58,719
process or potentially really um challen
making plans challenging to approve. Um

866
01:14:54,400 --> 01:15:05,360
as it relates to the um revised district
standards, we did include the um

867
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:12,000
revisions to the
um district as has previously been

868
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:18,480
recommended by HARB. Um, additionally,
we made changes to reverse language that

869
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:22,719
uh included should statements for um the
professionals that are required to serve

870
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:26,640
on the board. And then um there were
some uh I guess other changes that have

871
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:31,760
been brought to the attention of the
board from public comment. Um I guess

872
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:36,880
now is this would be the the final
opportunity really to put these into a

873
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:43,199
document to be have a recommendation. We
would need any further comments from

874
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:48,800
board members by when would this be?
Next July. It would be July 7th, so next

875
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:56,159
Tuesday. So we can have it in the agenda
for the 15th. Um but otherwise, if

876
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:59,280
there's any specific pro um properties
of this ordinance that you'd like to

877
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:06,159
discuss, we can we're available right
now. Um but we'll have a formal

878
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:11,719
presentation at next month's meeting.
Okay.

879
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,719
» Can you repeat what you said about

880
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:23,199
what people are looking forward to
>> having opportunities for administrative

881
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:30,880
approvals and there's there are um
specifically as it relates to um

882
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:36,159
review criteria
for projects that some some of them

883
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:41,120
historically may have been permitted or
at least they were occurring and not

884
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:46,560
being enforced upon. Um certain minor
activities or certain replacement

885
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:52,960
activities that were not viewable. Um
we'll be providing

886
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:57,040
that direct information that's in the uh
recommended by staff at next month's

887
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:02,480
meeting, but overall that's direction
I've received from council.

888
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:07,199
» That seems so am I supposed to read into
that? like how do I how do I determine

889
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,520
what you're saying? Like I feel like
it's

890
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:16,159
um
so there specific examples of things

891
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:19,440
that they'd like us to consider or think
about, but we're not sure what they are

892
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:24,960
exactly.
>> No, no. if they're just looking for

893
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,560
opportunities to streamline the process
and to remove the potential for

894
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:32,400
individuals having to come before this
board for improvements. If there's

895
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:35,120
opportunities where we can have
>> oh

896
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:38,080
» review review not occur through this
board but still be acceptable to the

897
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:44,960
board if that makes sense.
>> I misunderstood. No, I I I go on a train

898
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,960
wreck when I when I'm talking.

899
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:54,480
And I know there was a document that uh
that uh Brendan Stone sent about

900
01:17:52,080 --> 01:18:00,080
changing the date of PARB
>> that was that was also put into the

901
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:03,480
ordinance. Um this would have uh let me
pull it up.

902
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:12,800
So this would be uh the board shall meet
publicly on the first Wednesday of each

903
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:19,600
month. um that would potentially enable
um quicker review time by the um council

904
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:24,400
when it comes to the the board's
motions. Additionally, we're including

905
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:27,280
that the applications must be submitted
to the bureau of Gettysburg and

906
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:32,239
determined to be completed by the
planning zoning code enforcement officer

907
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:36,480
or designate at least 15 days prior to
scheduled meeting to be included on the

908
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:41,520
meeting's agenda to provide a deadline.
Um the problem we will run into

909
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:45,679
otherwise is it'll be the day of the
meeting and people have an expectation

910
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:51,199
of being able to be on the agenda. We
have to be able to have a deadline

911
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:55,520
that's then equitable for everyone.
>> I have a question. So if they meet the

912
01:18:53,199 --> 01:19:02,000
first Wednesday of the month, would then
the council meeting would fall that

913
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:05,600
following Monday? No, it would be um in
most all in most instances it's going to

914
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:10,880
be the next Monday because the first
Monday council does not meet.

915
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:15,840
» Yeah, there was a whole kind of timeline
depending on each which which day of the

916
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:21,840
month or which Wednesday of the month
you uh submitted on and whether it added

917
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:28,320
time subtracted time to the review
process. I think there was one I think

918
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:32,239
it was the last uh Wednesday you either
missed the meeting and it was longer or

919
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:37,600
you made the meeting and it was shorter.
So it spelled out all the advantages and

920
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:41,280
disadvantages of every Wednesday of that
month.

921
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:47,000
» So there's like four times a year where
the Wednesday falls in the same week as

922
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,000
the council meeting.

923
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,679
» You know what I mean?
>> Yeah.

924
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:57,040
» So that's what makes it longer between
>> Well, no. The council the council

925
01:19:53,280 --> 01:20:01,920
meeting would never fall directly on the
same week because the council meeting is

926
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:06,280
meeting on the second Monday.
They're going to be meeting on the first

927
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,280
Wednesday.

928
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:11,280
» Like in September
>> Yeah.

929
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:14,960
» council would meet on the 14th. We
typically would meet on the 16th.

930
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:20,280
» Yeah. But they'd meet on September 2nd
then because that's the first Wednesday.

931
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:27,360
Yeah, that's that's what's been
recommended by uh Chair Stone.

932
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:33,520
» Okay.
>> And and just to clarify, any comments,

933
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:37,360
questions, revisions that we have should
come to you by the 7th.

934
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:43,199
» Yeah. That that way we can have them in
the packet uh with the hope to get the

935
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:45,360
packet out either by the 8th or the 9th
for next week.

936
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:50,080
» Okay.
>> Because it's we're going to be meeting

937
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:58,000
in two weeks almost.
I know I did hear somewhere probably,

938
01:20:52,239 --> 01:21:04,159
but I didn't find it. Um, is there
something with regards to

939
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:07,840
emergency situations?
>> What What do you mean?

940
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:13,679
» Well, you know, somebody has an
emergency. I know that over the course

941
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:21,360
of the year years there has been
situations where for example the food

942
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:25,679
kitchen the um there was a an emergency
and they needed a roof or something um I

943
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,800
can't remember was that it
>> shel

944
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:32,560
» yes
>> at the uh

945
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:35,679
is there situations to is there some is
there is there a portion in here that

946
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,800
I've missed
>> well no that

947
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:45,600
» that falls into demolition by neglect.
So there's you have situations where the

948
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:49,679
building starts to fall down,
>> right? Yeah.

949
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:54,960
» That doesn't happen unless when the
building's maintained.

950
01:21:52,000 --> 01:22:00,560
» So failure to maintain the structure is
resulting in an emergency situation.

951
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:05,280
» I'll give you an example.
Suzanne Christensen just decided to

952
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:09,120
paint her front door
and

953
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:14,960
then it turned into a bigger project
where I was painting another part of my

954
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:20,000
house and realized when I'm up on the
scaffolding that there's rotted wood

955
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:25,120
that water is coming into a space that
was unknown. I don't neglect my house.

956
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:34,880
It's an it's it's a sort of a similar
example where there are times when

957
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:40,480
you that it's not neglect that it's too
far away. We can't see it. It's you know

958
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:44,880
we see it when it happens. I'm just
wondering like that really made me feel

959
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:51,760
bad that we couldn't deal with that in a
timely manner that it had to go.

960
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:55,520
I mean, and by the way, it made us look
terrible, which is not something we

961
01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:00,480
love.
>> What do you think?

962
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:08,639
» Um,
I think one, the soup kitchen was unfair

963
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:14,400
to us because it wasn't the emergency
they were talking about. They had known

964
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:21,440
about it for some time and they had it
on their schedule for the for this year

965
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:28,560
to raise funds and replace the roof. The
contractor sort of created it as a

966
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:34,800
uh emergency situation and when we
looked into it and I looked into the

967
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:37,360
minutes and contacted the soup kitchen
um

968
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:43,040
» it was an emergency.
>> It wasn't an emergency and

969
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:48,080
You're right. It made us look bad, but
it was it was an inaccurate portrayal of

970
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:55,679
what had happened. But I don't want to
stop there. Had they come in for a

971
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:59,679
repair using the same materials, it
could have been administratively

972
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:02,880
approved.
>> Okay.

973
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:09,520
» Immediately. That's what we have in our
ordinance. You can re if you're

974
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:12,560
repairing a situation that needs
>> e

975
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:17,199
» immediate attention and it's maintaining
the same materials and everything, you

976
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:23,920
can do that through administrative
approval. It's when they wanted to

977
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:28,320
change materials or do a new design
because there's some long-term design

978
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:33,840
deficiency,
then they then you can get in a bind.

979
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:41,280
But I don't think we should consider
major revisions to materials and design

980
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:48,000
on a short-term basis because as John
said, it's often related to a problem

981
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:52,159
that needs more significant
investigation

982
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:57,840
because there's a design flaw or
something of that nature.

983
01:24:54,400 --> 01:25:04,960
So, I'm comfortable with the repair
aspect.

984
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:09,920
Now there was the the shed that the
trash truck dumped dump, you know, and

985
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:16,320
that came in and that has to be an
emergency situation. Demolition was

986
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:21,040
going to be occurred immediately, you
know, without review by the board

987
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:29,120
because it was unsafe. But that shed
stayed up for weeks, you know, and um so

988
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:32,560
the emergency situations usually are are
fire related.

989
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:38,159
» And we had the one
>> on Baltimore Street which just couldn't

990
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:42,080
be saved. the one where
the beautiful shingle style home that

991
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:46,320
came down,
>> the the burned out shell, the 202

992
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:50,960
Carlile,
>> the burned out shell, you know, where

993
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:56,320
there was some consideration for
demolition,

994
01:25:52,719 --> 01:26:00,159
but I want to be careful not to build in
some kind of emergency,

995
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:04,560
» okay,
>> thing that doesn't allow us to put the

996
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:07,360
brakes on it a little bit.
>> Right. Okay.

997
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:16,880
B our BCO is not going to
go in and approve demolition willy-nilly

998
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:22,880
if they know that they're looking at a
historic building and they may

999
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:28,000
reconsider a little bit.
I I would note that from an

1000
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:34,400
administrative perspective, when we have
requests coming to us for from the

1001
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:39,360
public, an individual seeking immediate
repair for an emergency, it's almost

1002
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:44,719
always ex going to be exclusively
located on the roof.

1003
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:50,560
Um, one of the problems we've run into
as of late is there's a real desire from

1004
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:55,760
our roofing contractors to not utilize
three tab asphalt shingles.

1005
01:26:53,440 --> 01:27:01,360
So, here we have a situation where
someone is arguably putting on a better

1006
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,840
type of shingle, but they're not able to
do so without coming to this board

1007
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:10,320
first. So that's something that council
has indicated they would like to see

1008
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:16,480
opportunities for those administrative
approvals to facilitate

1009
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:21,120
situations that it may be an emergency.
It may be something that in a week or

1010
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:25,120
two it will still keep but eventually it
needs to be replaced in the really near

1011
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:30,679
term. That's something that council
wants to see providing more flexibility

1012
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,679
to residents.

1013
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,679
Reason they don't want to use three tab
shingles is they can't keep a straight

1014
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,480
line.
>> What?

1015
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:44,520
» They can't keep a straight line.
Architectural hide it.

1016
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,400
» Do they sell three tap shingles?
>> Oh, all day long.

1017
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,280
» Really?
>> Yes, ma'am.

1018
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:57,239
» We're going to move to strike the
comment by the BCO.

1019
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:01,400
» It's just his opinion.

1020
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:10,400
Okay. There's nothing else for
>> No, I I'm going to ask a question

1021
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:16,159
because I was spending some time in the
zoning ordinance

1022
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:22,480
and I'm still in favor of maintaining
the height restriction.

1023
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:28,400
Um, it has not
stopped critical

1024
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:38,000
projects being in there, but it does
allow again kind of a

1025
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:43,120
a review, a slow down, the brakes may
take a closer look at this. And in the

1026
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:49,199
zoning ordinance, it's mentioned. Of
course, the height is still mentioned

1027
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:56,480
about the difference in how they have to
comply with the harb with the historic

1028
01:28:52,880 --> 01:29:02,480
district ordinance. And that was one of
the critical features

1029
01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:10,639
in the original
uh the 50-year-old we have uh ordinance

1030
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:17,679
is that to stop the acceleration. So I'm
looking at I can be very specific. The

1031
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:25,199
second block of York Street is a
twostory block except for St. James

1032
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:31,120
church which anchors the corner has a
very distinct character. It's all two

1033
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:37,199
stories. Any type of construction in
that that suddenly jumps even to three

1034
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:42,000
stories or three and a half stories is
going to be an alien feature in that

1035
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:48,239
block. It's going to change the
character of the historic

1036
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:55,760
that block in general. And I think you
know the the height of this the town

1037
01:29:51,760 --> 01:30:02,480
when we talk about historic character is
kind of highest at the core around the

1038
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:09,440
square you have more massive buildings
and some height and then as you move out

1039
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:15,120
the buildings become shorter as you go
down the streets because you're moving

1040
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:23,360
away from that central core. and it was
a critical component of the original

1041
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:29,760
ordinance that that sort of be protected
and currently there seem you know

1042
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:37,920
there's an attack on that and I think
it's uh dangerous and that's the one

1043
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:43,600
aspect I still see in what's a larger
rewrite of the ordinance than I expected

1044
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:47,679
is that diminishing of any control on
height

1045
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:53,600
um
other than just saying I don't like it

1046
01:30:49,600 --> 01:31:01,600
cuz it's too tall. Um
but that's that's my opinion and I'm

1047
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:07,600
I'm having having had people approach me
as an architect asking,

1048
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:11,679
you know, do you think they'll let us
tear this down?

1049
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:17,600
And there were a couple buildings in
particular and build a taller building.

1050
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:27,320
And just having the strength of the
ordinance stopped some projects

1051
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:27,320
as did the first the first

1052
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:34,040
approaches to me about the me school

1053
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:42,960
and I we may have still been working
together at that when some people when

1054
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:49,840
me school went on the market
the first approaches to me as an

1055
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:55,360
architect and as chairman of Harb were,
would they, you know, can we tear that

1056
01:31:51,760 --> 01:32:01,520
down? Because at that time they were
looking for a place to put Starbucks

1057
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:08,639
and this was a perfect piece of property
and they were it was helpful to have the

1058
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:14,639
strength of the ordinance saying
demolition would be very difficult if

1059
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:21,040
not impossible.
So I think while

1060
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:26,159
there's frustration at times with the
ordinance,

1061
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:32,560
a strong ordinance actually protects the
council and it protects the harm and it

1062
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:41,400
protects the burough.
And I think efforts to weaken some of

1063
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:41,400
the provisions are not wise.

1064
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:49,440
I can't believe somebody was going to
take down this school.

1065
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:52,080
» That was interest from more than one
developer.

1066
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:58,159
» Wow.
>> Wow.

1067
01:32:54,480 --> 01:33:03,280
It wasn't even in bad condition.
>> It was bad condition is depends on how

1068
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:07,120
you
>> bad condition depends on how you look at

1069
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:10,480
the expense.
>> Sure.

1070
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:17,280
» To fix it up or to restore it.
>> Yeah. Well, I always say big big

1071
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:24,120
project, big big, you know, um
renovations, big money, you know. So,

1072
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,120
yeah,

1073
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:34,719
I two things. Um,
one is I have reached out to Zach Balo

1074
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:42,320
from the National Park Service, the
acting superintendent, and asked the

1075
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:48,800
question, um, if Harb district is to
extend up to Seminary Ridge. Um, Red

1076
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:54,880
Patch on Confederate Avenue as well as
the McMillan House on Confederate Avenue

1077
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:59,120
both have scenic easements with the
National Park Service. So any work

1078
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:04,239
that's done on either of those
properties has to have park service

1079
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:09,120
approval. And if those two properties
are now included in HARB,

1080
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:16,080
they will the owners will have to go
through two different hoops.

1081
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:19,520
And knowing how this board changes and
potentially how the park service might

1082
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:24,880
change,
there could come a time where the park

1083
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:30,400
service doesn't agree with PARB or vice
versa.

1084
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:35,440
And overall, my question to Zach was who
will have final word? And Zach said it

1085
01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:41,120
will be the National Park Service for
those two properties. And he recommended

1086
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:45,600
removing those two properties if it's
extended to remove those two properties

1087
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:50,480
from the historic district because they
are protected with the National Park

1088
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:56,320
Service.
That makes sense. I I think that makes

1089
01:34:52,560 --> 01:35:06,000
sense. Um the other thing I know that um
Gary and Suzanne we we it is proposed to

1090
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:10,159
change the age of the houses. Is that
correct?

1091
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:14,000
» Uh let me see if that's been updated.
>> I think the updating

1092
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:17,360
changed that back.
>> Did they change it back? Okay. I if I

1093
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:22,000
apologize.
>> Yeah, I believe I did.

1094
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:25,679
» Okay. It it was the intent to do so
because that was we received negative

1095
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,600
comment from that.
>> Okay. Okay.

1096
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,800
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1097
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:35,360
» Any building that has been standing for
at least 50 years at the time of

1098
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:41,600
application even though has been
considerably modified and certain sites

1099
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:47,199
sites or later historic
significance or building that the board

1100
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:51,120
has determined to be exemplary of later
architectural styles.

1101
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:57,679
So that would be considered as
sensitive. That was on page 157.

1102
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:02,960
» I was looking at um the Pennsylvania
Historical and Museum Commission, their

1103
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:09,440
architectural field guide, and the
latest period that they um they protect

1104
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:17,360
is from 1925 to 1950, the modern
movements um with the international mod

1105
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:22,639
and and um art deco style. So 1950 was
their latest date as well as from what I

1106
01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:28,239
could find with the Department of the
Interior. 1950 was also with the

1107
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:32,440
Department of Interior's latest
um property design.

1108
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:45,480
Okay.
Any other comments?

1109
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:55,360
Okay, there's another section for public
comment if the public needs to

1110
01:36:53,199 --> 01:37:00,800
make any final.
No.

1111
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:07,119
All right. I guess at this time we have
completed the meeting and we need to

1112
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:11,040
make a motion to adjurnn.
>> So moved by Mr. Whit. Do we have a

1113
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:15,199
second?
>> I'll second it.

1114
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:20,440
» All right. I tied it.
>> Yeah,

1115
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,440
there we go.