1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,760 went from five to three 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:15,120 or excuse me the quorum went from three of five to two of three. That's the new 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:21,039 quorum under that 20 25-1. Every every PLA standard we apply this 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:27,840 morning reads word for word as it has since 2012 the 2012 ordinance. Now what 5 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:35,360 is not before us? This is not a reasonzoning and it does not approve the 6 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:40,960 applicant to build construction and street plants. The final drainage plan, 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:46,239 the on lot sewage design with soil borings, erosion control and the 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:52,719 performance guarantees all come at final plat under article 8 and 11. They are 9 00:00:50,879 --> 00:00:57,920 not missing today. They are not due today. Nothing is sowed, recorded, or 10 00:00:56,079 --> 00:01:01,239 granted by anything that happens here this morning. 11 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:10,479 That state law that I referenced earlier, 36732, 12 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:15,520 limits the commissioners. You may approve or disapprove only on whether 13 00:01:13,119 --> 00:01:19,600 the plat complies with the statutory requirements and with the county 14 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:25,680 subdivision standards as contained in its ordinance. The applicant carries the 15 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:31,439 burden of showing that it does conform. The subdivision review committee's 16 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:36,960 report is evidence. It does not bind us. If the plat does conform, we do have 17 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:42,079 discretion to deny it because of general o we do not have discretion to deny it 18 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:48,159 because of general opposition. If though we do disapprove the law does require 19 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:53,520 written findings naming the provisions the plat fails. 20 00:01:51,119 --> 00:01:57,040 Now round rules for the room for the public comment section. First you're 21 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,520 going to come up to the podium. You're going to state your name and address for 22 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:05,040 the record. Right now I have allotted three minutes per speaker. Does 23 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:10,879 everybody feel like three minutes is enough? And if not we can perhaps agree 24 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,440 on a larger amount of time. Yes, Mr. 25 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:17,959 » Claymore. >> Yeah, you're fine for for now. Yes. 26 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:47,640 » Keep it all together. Okay. Are you representing more than 27 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,640 just 28 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,480 » Okay. But you anticipate that what you're going to say may be echoled by 29 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:59,000 some of the other remmonstrators. >> Okay. So, I I'm going to 30 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,959 » Well, we're not going to y You're not going to be able to yield somebody's 31 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,519 time to someone else, so we won't do that. 32 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:13,120 probably five or six. >> You can do it in five or six. 33 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:17,440 » Okay. >> All right. 34 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:22,959 Um Okay. We'll give Mr. Clayborn six 35 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:27,280 minutes. We'll give you six minutes. Anybody else expect to go over three 36 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,959 minutes? Also, if somebody has already 37 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:37,200 communicated a point that you agree with, we don't need you to repeat that 38 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:41,920 point. Just say, "I agree with soand so. So, those will be the ground rules. Uh, 39 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:45,519 three minutes unless you're one of the two individuals that I specifically 40 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,159 provided six minutes to. 41 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:04,319 You can also submit written comments if you get them up here quick enough. If 42 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,560 you do want if you don't want to speak publicly, but you do want to say 43 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:12,640 something, you can get that to the auditor at the end of the table, Mike 44 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:15,680 Watkins, as long as you get to it it to him in time and then he'll bring it to 45 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:18,680 me and I'll read it at some point in the meeting. 46 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:31,360 So what we can act on is the lot layout, the street width and the culdeac, 47 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:36,800 drainage soils and the septic suitability notice and conformity with 48 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:42,560 the ordinance. What we cannot act on, however, however strongly you feel about 49 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:48,320 it, is property values, a general preference that the ground stay 50 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:56,199 farmland, or who supported whose campaign, we will listen, but the law 51 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,199 does not let us vote on that 52 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:02,800 order of procedure, which should follow your agenda that you've received. We're 53 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:08,240 going to receive a report from the from the subdivision review committee, Scott 54 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:13,199 Martin. We will then receive remarks from the applicants. 55 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:17,600 Then on 6.3, excuse me, you don't have this that I'm 56 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:21,680 reading from. After the applicant's uh representative, we'll have agency input, 57 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:28,639 which could be highway department, could be three engineering, could be drainage, 58 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:32,240 health department, EMA. And then 6.4, we get to the public comment section. 59 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:39,520 6.5 will be the applicant's response to the public comment section if so 60 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:45,120 desirous. 6.6 we're going to close the public 61 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:50,759 comment section before deliberating and say out loud that the public comment 62 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:50,759 is closed. 63 00:05:51,199 --> 00:06:00,880 So with that we will go to the agenda and I've me mentioned 64 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:05,840 the preliminary matters. It was decided to not continue. 65 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:12,080 I've mentioned the purported conflict of interest to Mr. Lewis um which he's well 66 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,759 aware of the allegation. And so we'll now go to item three on the 67 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:21,120 agenda which is the statement of the purpose of the special meeting and 68 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:28,000 recitation of notice given. This is a subdivision request by Elite Companies, 69 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:32,639 Inc. asking to subdivide 34 lots on 22.51 70 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:38,280 acres. Parcel number currently assigned to the 22.5 acre parcel is 71 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:38,280 26-9-30-400-002.209-025. 72 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:55,759 I went over the ground rules with you. So, we'll go down to number five. 73 00:06:53,840 --> 00:07:01,319 And Mr. Martin, if you want to come forward and give the report of the 74 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,319 subdivision review committee. 75 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:12,479 Um, good morning. My name is Scott Martin with the sub the subdivision 76 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:18,960 review committee. Um, I'm going to read the report to the 77 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:23,599 commissioners on Southern Hills, uh, primary plat. 78 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:29,120 Per the review procedure of the major subdivision primary plat section of 79 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:34,080 ordinance 25-1, the subdivision review committee shall 80 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:40,080 make a report to the commissioners per article 7 section B. 81 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:44,479 A. If the subdivision review committee finds that the primary plat has been 82 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:50,560 prepared in accordance with the terms of this ordinance, it shall forward a 83 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:54,960 report stating so to the commissioners for 84 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:59,919 consideration. B. If the subdivision review committee 85 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:05,199 finds that the primary plat has not been prepared in accordance with the terms of 86 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:09,199 this ordinance, it shall return the plat to the subdivider with a written 87 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:14,400 specification of the items in non-conformance and shall submit a copy 88 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:21,599 of the same to the commissioners. The primary plat for Southern Hills 89 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:29,199 Crossing was received on July 31st, 2026 and resubmitted on August 18th, 2026. 90 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:35,599 The newly revised primary plat addresses the concerns raised in the 20 in the 91 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:40,959 august 12th, 2020 6 92 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:45,680 subdivision review committee's report. At this time, it is our view that the 93 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,080 Southern Hills primary plant has been prepared in accordance with the terms of 94 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,920 this ordinance. The health department, sheriff's 95 00:08:51,760 --> 00:09:00,000 department, EMA, and local fire departments have been sent a copy of the 96 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:04,640 plant for the review and comment. It will go before the drainage board at 97 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:09,600 the September 1st drainage board meeting where any drainage issues can be 98 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:14,240 discussed at that time. To be able to properly advertise the primary plat 99 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:19,040 hearing, the subdivision review committee will set the date for which 100 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:25,600 the proposed plat can be publicly ex examined in front of the commissioners 101 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:33,240 on Tuesday, September 8th at 8:15 a.m. in the Southwest Annex. Sincerely, the 102 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,240 subdivision review committee. 103 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:37,720 » Thank you, Scott. 104 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:55,920 I'm my name is Jim Moley Jr. I'm the project engineer 105 00:09:52,720 --> 00:10:00,800 and uh just to make sure we're all on the same page, I 106 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,120 have an exhibit I'd like to pass out if that be okay. 107 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:19,120 And uh it's just a quick exhibit on the front page uh just kind of shows where 108 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:24,399 we're at in the county we're talking about. So this project is about halfway 109 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:30,240 between Hopst and Fort Branch. And then if you flip it over to the back side is 110 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:34,560 just kind of a a blow up of that area. Uh you can see it's kind of right there 111 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:37,680 uh near the intersection there. And so I just wanted to make sure everybody was 112 00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:44,640 kind of on the same page as far exactly where we're located at. Um so 113 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:51,040 uh this is a nice project. Uh all the lots uh are at least a half acre in size 114 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:56,160 that have septic systems on each lot. Um relative to development in the world 115 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:02,480 today, these are actually pretty big lots. Uh most subdivision lots we design 116 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:05,279 uh these days are about I could fit about three of them for every one of 117 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:09,040 these lots. And so these are pretty big lots in the world of developments today. 118 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:14,320 Uh but we think it's a real nice project. It's a nice area. Um you can 119 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:19,680 see on the primary plat uh you can see where the roads the detention basins um 120 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:23,600 the the detention let me if could I can I approach? Sure. Is that okay? 121 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:27,680 » Just to make sure everybody remembers. There's a detention basin over here kind 122 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:33,519 of along the highway and then another detention basin in this area here. And 123 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,360 then obviously road comes up through these kind of rectangular boxes that are 124 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:42,079 all kind of sitting there kind of cattywampus like that. Uh those are all 125 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:46,399 the septic systems. And the reason they sit like that is septic systems have to 126 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,920 be lined up with the contours of the ground. Uh and so if you look at that 127 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,519 and say, "Boy, what were they thinking?" They're all over the place. Uh that's 128 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:58,800 kind of the way the contours lie on that ground and so that's why they're shaped 129 00:11:55,519 --> 00:12:05,040 that way. Um we feel like it's a real nice project. We met uh met or exceeded 130 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:09,000 all of the uh county requirements and uh we would ask for your approval. 131 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:16,560 » I do have a I do have a question and I maybe I'd prefer we can talk about it 132 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:19,839 after you vote on the plat. Uh, but I do have a question about the road plan 133 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:25,519 approval process relative to what they call the final plat. But we can if it'd 134 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:28,240 be okay we could do that after the so so we don't get things confused. 135 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:32,160 » Yeah, that's probably better. Yes. >> Yeah, that's all I have. I we think it's 136 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,519 a real great project. We think there's a demand for housing in Gibson County 137 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:39,160 which is good. Uh it's good to see Gibson County growing. 138 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,959 » Jason we're we're doing is preliminary plan, not the final. 139 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,959 » That's correct. >> Okay, 140 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:54,839 » that's correct. Yes, >> we'll make sure that 141 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,959 » anybody have any questions. >> Thank you. 142 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,200 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 143 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,240 » Okay, agency input. 144 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:22,320 » Wilder. design. I reviewed the drainage plans and report uh they are in 145 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:27,040 accordance with the drainage ordinance. Uh the main goal of the ordinance is to 146 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:32,079 control runoff providing detention storage to slow down runoff from 147 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:38,639 developed condition to pre-developed condition. And in doing so, you analyze 148 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:43,519 a 100-year storm on developed condition and then control the release rate down 149 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:48,560 to a 10-year storm of undeveloped condition. And that was done for both 150 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:54,240 100year compared to 10 year and then also 10year compared to twoyear. 151 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:59,519 In addition, I know I had a comment about 90 acres of offsite upstream 152 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:05,360 drainage and per the ordinance off-site drainage 153 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:10,079 can be bypassed from the detention basin and does not need to be attenuated. 154 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,920 That's all I have. If you have any questions about it, 155 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,639 » just to reiterate, you believe in conformance. 156 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:17,639 » Yes. 157 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:24,480 » So according to you, everything looks good as far as that 158 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,839 » they followed the drainage ordinance. >> Okay. 159 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:33,440 » Um meaning the main goal of it to provide detention storage and followed 160 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:40,399 using the equations, calculations, um coefficients per the ordinance. 161 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:45,120 » Okay. >> Thank you. 162 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:50,920 » Thank you. Any other agent? Do you have any? 163 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,920 » Thank you. 164 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:56,880 » Matt Holden with the highway department. Um, so I know there's a question in here 165 00:14:54,959 --> 00:15:01,040 when the actual roadway plans get approved. That's what one they have. 166 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:07,120 We've talked about it a little bit, but um, uh, they have they have abided to 167 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:09,760 the subdivision control ordinance, which states in there the two there's two 168 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:15,519 different ordinances it talks about. one goes back to 1973, I believe. But their 169 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:19,680 plans currently do for the for the design uh do meet those requirements of 170 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:24,000 of the subdivision control ordinance that deal with the roadway that they're 171 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:28,480 going to be build building. Um keep in mind that involved with that is also the 172 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:34,079 construction inspection when the roadway is being built. Um so, uh it actually 173 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,959 wouldn't be 100% approved. That's why we're talking about the approval process 174 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,519 of all this, how this actually works because I will have to be there or 175 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,720 someone one somebody have to be there at certain times during the construction of 176 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:48,240 the roadway. So I want to keep that in mind that you know while construction is 177 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,959 going on there's some presence and some testing has to be done and verified 178 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,120 during the construction. So >> but as of right now 179 00:15:54,399 --> 00:16:02,920 » as of right now >> preliminary perspective yes it conforms. 180 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,920 » That's correct. Thank you, Mayor. 181 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,120 » Are there any other agencies that want to have input? 182 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:24,639 Hearing none, we will now go to >> Do you have the timer? 183 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,959 » I got you. >> All right. Public comment. Looks like 184 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,360 Josh is up first, so he'll have six minutes. 185 00:16:29,839 --> 00:16:35,199 » I'll let him know under about a minute left as well. 186 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:39,759 » Before I sp speak and before you start that timer, I do want to hand out some 187 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:44,199 written comments, too. Jason, I'll be sure to email those to you. Okay. 188 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:59,680 » All right. Thank you. Uh, my name is Joshua Clayborn. um law firm is Shiloh 189 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Council. I'm here on behalf of Darla and Aaron Keiesel. Although, as noted 190 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:08,880 earlier, there are several other um remmonstrators, I guess you can call 191 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:15,919 them, uh that I think uh will share some of these uh thoughts. Um importantly, uh 192 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,360 there are several things that are issues with this plat that I think need to be 193 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:23,520 addressed before you guys approve them. You certainly took a vote on continuing 194 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:26,480 this or delaying this vote. doesn't stop you from doing that a second time after 195 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:32,400 you hear these comments. And obviously, I hope you do that. First, although the 196 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:36,960 state code says that septic systems have to be five feet from the property line, 197 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:43,919 and I believe Mr. Moley has made sure this plat does that. Your own county 198 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:48,160 code says in article 11D2 that in no case will any part of the 199 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:53,760 private system, including seepage field or leeching field, be located closer 200 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:58,240 than 10 ft to a property line or within 50 ft of a private well. Now, I've done 201 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:02,320 some math and you'll find that in the letter that I've included there. My math 202 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:07,760 indicates that's not possible as this plat is written. And even if it is, it's 203 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:12,000 not quite clear from the drawings um that that it is the necessary 10 feet 204 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:16,000 according to your own boundaries. So I don't think that this can be adopted 205 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,160 under your own ordinance without being in violation of it. 206 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:21,520 » Let's go. >> Can I stop you? Where are you at? 207 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:24,960 » And I'm sorry I skipped the page three on mine because I wanted to go to the 208 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:31,120 most important point here. I've reordered them. So you'll see uh Roman 209 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:35,440 numeral 3 article 11 D2 cannot be verified from the drawing. And although 210 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:40,000 I was not a math major, uh, when I did that and did the math of of each each 211 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:43,840 plot, um, including where those septic systems are, they're not going to meet 212 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:47,840 that 10 ft setback requirement from the lot lines. 213 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,360 That's a fatal flaw in what you guys have going on right now. If we go back 214 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:56,799 to page two of this letter that I've sent out, I want to point out some other 215 00:18:52,799 --> 00:19:00,880 issues as well. Uh so issue number two that makes this fa fatal and that is 216 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:06,720 that this plat as currently written does not encompass all of the contiguous 217 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:10,960 parcels that are um owned or under the control of the subdivider. And you can 218 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:16,240 look at article 7 A2 of your ordinance that shows that is required although the 219 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,320 owners are labeled in some cases. Uh, and it goes without saying, I guess you 220 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:25,679 all know this, uh, SPM Development is the owner of this the subdivider. Up in 221 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:33,360 the northwest corner there, you'll see that they have, uh, parcel one, two, 222 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:37,520 three, and four. Um, there is also um, parcel five, which is the one before 223 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:41,440 you. There is more land to the north of here that isn't encompassed in this 224 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:46,080 plat. And that is important when it's all owned by the same person because the 225 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:50,160 policy behind that code is you don't want to have pick and choose just 226 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:54,240 peacemeal what's being subdivided. If we know there is the likelihood or the 227 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,840 strong potential for other pieces that are owned by that same owner to be 228 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,600 subdivided at a future date. We can't fully assess that. That's not here on 229 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:07,360 the plat. It can't be fully reviewed. Again, this is fatal under the county's 230 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:12,960 own ordinance because it's not fully uh platted and and indicated on the plaque. 231 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:16,880 Two other issues that I think are worth noting that prevent a vote, at least to 232 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,720 the extent you want to follow your own ordinance today. Second, again, that's 233 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:25,919 on page two. The health department has not verified and signed this plat. Um 234 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,360 neither has the surveyor. And there may be an argument as to timing. Well, that 235 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:34,000 doesn't happen till after you guys approve that. I think if you turn to 236 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:40,400 page three, uh, second to last paragraph there, I talk about how article 7 A2W 237 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:47,360 places the perlot septic designation at the primary stage by its own terms. And 238 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:52,159 then that in uh 7B3 defines the primary approval as an expression of approval to 239 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:56,799 the layout submitted on the primary plat. That is what this is today, which 240 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,720 tells me according to your ordinance that this needs to be signed by the 241 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:03,840 health department, by the surveyor before you guys approve it. In part 242 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:08,480 because some of these issues we've raised need to be addressed. So part 243 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:13,039 four, if you turn to page four of my initial letter there, you'll see that 244 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:16,960 the engineering feasibility report um needs to be completed and with that is 245 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:20,960 four components. a letter from the accepting sewage or water authority, a 246 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,000 community system study where connection is not feasible, a drainage study, and a 247 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:31,440 preliminary street construction report based on resolution 1973-1. 248 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:36,320 Now, I have requested these some time ago in a public records request. I 249 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:40,159 understand that you guys had under law time to get that to me, but at the same 250 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,679 time, we're not in a position to review that if we haven't received that. Jason 251 00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:47,360 was kind enough to send some stuff on Friday. I went through as much of it as 252 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:51,120 I could. It's possible that's in there, but again, this was on late in the day 253 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,120 on a Friday before a holiday weekend. We're meeting here the morning of the 254 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,559 very next business day. Um, I did not see that engineering feasibility report 255 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,960 or those necessary requirements which are required before you guys approve 256 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:07,200 that. Go down to the bottom of page four under subsection five. You'll see things 257 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,960 like street design, entrances, water systems. There are a lot of questions 258 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:15,120 and concerns about all of this. Is there sufficient space and room for emergency 259 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:18,559 vehicle personnel to get in there and handle things that are going on? Are the 260 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,360 entrances sufficient? And I will tell you, this should be no surprise to many 261 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:26,799 of you. I was involved in this litigation back in 2022. Um, these were 262 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,799 significant issues that you as a body rejected this development for this 263 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:35,360 reason. So, I think it's incumbent upon you to 264 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:39,360 make sure this is right. approving this this morning is rushing 265 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:44,720 through it and not ensuring that all of these things are right. Um, so we have 266 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:50,000 significant issues that are wrong or problematic with the plat on the 267 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:54,880 county's own ordinances and I want to end with something that was addressed 268 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:59,919 earlier and that was Mr. Lewis took a pretty substantial campaign contribution 269 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,760 from this developer. In fact, it it it is one of his is his his highest 270 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,120 contributions that needs to be disclosed and the court of appeals has already 271 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:12,200 decided that is an apparent conflict of interest that should be disclosed. 272 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,200 » Thank you. 273 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:19,919 » I'm going to respond to the conflict of interest. Uh I've sent Mr. Clayborn a 274 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:24,320 response on my take on the laws that he referenced. uh this the conflict of 275 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:29,919 interest that the court of appeals addressed were interest in contracts uh 276 00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:35,520 and other peuniary interests but not campaign contribution. So I think this 277 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:38,159 back pattern is distinguishable from the cases that were referenced and I've 278 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:42,080 shared that information with commissioner Lewis. Okay, with that 279 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,080 we'll go to the next person that wants to come up and I said I was giving you 280 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,760 six or five. Six. >> Six hopefully but I might make it in 281 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:55,039 five. We'll see. I can talk best. I'm Debbie Greece. U my address is 19 East 282 00:23:52,400 --> 00:24:02,240 925 south. I am adjacent on the southwestern edge of this um subdivision 283 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:07,360 plat where the line angles out a little bit. That's our property there. Um and I 284 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:12,720 too went through and revised what I have here. So um a couple of questions that 285 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:18,240 we had were um we reviewed the drainage plan the 286 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:22,799 final drainage revision two. Um, it states that the existing swale on the 287 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:27,360 west side of the site is to remain as it is now 288 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:32,240 and that the proposed swailes number two and five 289 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:38,080 will tie into that existing swale. Okay. Well, right now there is no swale on the 290 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:44,559 west side of this of this proposed development. There is a small county 291 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:50,640 ditch there. So my question is to whomever might be the one to answer 292 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:54,799 that is that are they counting the little county ditch as a swale because 293 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,080 those are technically two different things. So that is the question I have 294 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:07,039 about that that we had and swale two no swale five runs across 295 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:13,039 the northern side of our property boundary with that the other question I 296 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:17,360 had was is this swale is it only on that northern side where the arrow points to 297 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:22,640 I am looking at the swale drainage map that you guys have already seen because 298 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:25,520 you guys have already had this to you um there's an arrow pointing to the 299 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:29,840 northern sides of our part of the property 300 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:35,360 saying 5 is there, but then that dark line goes around the property and then 301 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:40,880 across the southern boundary of the subdivision. 302 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:44,360 So, I'm curious how far that swale actually goes. 303 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,760 » So, do we think anybody would have an answer? 304 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,520 » Okay. Okay, that's fine. um that and then when it also talked about that 305 00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:05,360 existing swale on the west side of the site, it also shows a culvert that 306 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:08,640 they're going to put in there. Um like just north of our property, which is 307 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,600 fine, but so is it going to be a culvert? Is it going to be a swale? Is 308 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,840 it just the ditch that's already there? >> That's what I'm trying to figure out so 309 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:23,200 that we can think about how that's going to drain. 310 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Um okay a couple other things 311 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,919 let's see we we 312 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:42,480 many of us but especially my husband and I do not feel that ignoring the 89 acres 313 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:46,640 of water flow drainage that flows it does flow into the subdivision even 314 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:52,240 though I know when we addressed this issue last week we were told it goes 315 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:58,080 around it, but the culvert that runs under the road does not contain that 316 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:04,480 water. Now, when we have heavy rain and it and it does affect this. So, that 317 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:11,279 was none of that 89 acres was in that drainage plan. It just said that they 318 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:17,279 included the drainage area south of this. And we think that is a big 319 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:22,480 omission on the part because it does run into 320 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:26,320 the northern area of the subdivision. And part of the drainage that they have 321 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:32,640 shown here, which is probably by swale 4, is very 322 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:39,600 close to where that ditch would be. Well, no, not swale four. Sorry. 323 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,480 The the top edge of swale 3 might be where that's at. 324 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Okay. So, 325 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:53,279 in the in Gibson County storm water management ordinance, it says that 326 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,440 Gibson County has the authority to modify grant exemptions andor wave any 327 00:27:56,159 --> 00:28:03,200 and all the requirements of the ordinance and its associated technical 328 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:09,120 standards document. It really is kind of illogical to have 329 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:13,679 an ordinance that you can then bypass if you're looking out for the 330 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:18,399 environmental effects um from all the the rainwater that's 331 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:25,640 going to go through there. So, we think that 332 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:25,640 plus um one second. 333 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:41,039 It also says that um in a disclaimer of liability in that ordinance that any 334 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:45,039 storm water drainage problems associated with the project and it goes on to say 335 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,200 caused by poor construction by the contractor. But if the county 336 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:53,440 commissioners and the drainage board, which I found out when I was online 337 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,720 looking through Gibson County's website, are the same three people. I did not 338 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:03,360 realize that. I thought the drainage board was made up of people that had 339 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:08,480 more of a a land and a water flow background. I guess um 340 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:14,159 it says that the county will not be liable for that. However, if the county 341 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:17,840 bypasses their own ordinance and doesn't have the developer follow 342 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:22,720 the ordinance, then the county definitely could be liable for that. 343 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:25,679 Okay. And the only other thing is just to come out, but what somebody else 344 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,960 said, um, the roadway inside the subdivision 345 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:35,360 right now is wider than our current road. And it's my understanding that 346 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,080 that you're not allowed to do it that way. It's my understanding that when you 347 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:47,399 put a development in, that roadway is not allowed to be wider than the main 348 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,399 road that it's coming off of. 349 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:55,440 Thank you. >> I'm going to read a public comment into 350 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,960 the record because I think this would be the right time. I believe this was the 351 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:04,240 last speaker's husband coming from Donald Greece. His correspondence reads, 352 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:08,799 "Gent, see attached image. I cannot see where Bley's drainage plan accounts for 353 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,880 the water coming from the north side of the county road. There are nearly 90 354 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:17,200 acres that don't seem to be accounted for, but that will be a part of this 355 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,000 record as well. And I will pass this desk. 356 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:37,520 Well, I know this the county road is not in a flood plane, 357 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:42,480 » but it is very often flooded, you know, because we got, you know, I've worked 358 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:49,120 for the county for 36 years, so I've seen that road flooded many times. 359 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:54,120 And uh I don't know how that's this is going to affect it. It's not going to 360 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120 help it, I'm sure. 361 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,480 » Any other? >> Um hi, I'm Becky Man, 211 East, 925 362 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:15,600 South. My property is directly northeast of the proposed subdivision. Um I'm my 363 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:21,600 main concern is the safety of the road. Um I know adding this number of houses 364 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:26,480 to that road with traffic is going to be a lot for that structure of the road. My 365 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:31,840 main concern is there is a very steep blind hill at the very where the 925 366 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:36,080 south comes up off Highway 41 heading west. There's been a number of times 367 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:40,000 where I myself have been run off the road by cars. You can't see anybody 368 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:45,039 coming. Both of us are keeping over. The road's not wide enough. I don't feel 369 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:49,440 it's a very safe situation. Uh if you drive up that hill, you will see signs 370 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:52,640 that say keep right. A lot of times those sides are leaning because 371 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:57,039 something has hit it because you're trying to avoid oncoming traffic. Um and 372 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,200 there's also a lot of farmers that use that road to get to their fields. Their 373 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:06,399 equipment hits those. The road just is not designed to handle more traffic. And 374 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:11,279 so I wondered if you guys had any plans in mind for how you're going to resolve 375 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,159 that situation because it's I don't want anybody any of my neighbors getting 376 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:19,799 hurt. I don't want anybody coming down the road getting hurt because of the 377 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,799 situation of that road. 378 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,399 » Usually not. Well, if you're still within Do we know how much time she had 379 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:37,360 left? Yeah, about a minute left. >> Okay. 380 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:43,760 » Okay. Okay. Well, my piggyback off of that is it appears that the state 381 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,919 highway right ofway stops part of the way up that hill. It does not go all the 382 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,559 way to the peak of the hill. So, could that hill if that's county if that's the 383 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:59,200 county ground, not the state highway ground? Why can't you chop it off 384 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:05,480 and get rid of the worst part of that hill then so that people can see across 385 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,480 it? Anyone 386 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:19,799 else for public comment? 387 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:34,880 » Hi, Tammy Hack with Gibson County Economic Development and I just want to 388 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:42,000 from an economic development standpoint, we obviously Gibson County is in dire 389 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:46,159 need of more homes. Um, so you know, as for economic development, we would 390 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,640 support a new subdivision. 391 00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:53,159 » Thank you. 392 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,960 » Hello, >> Darla Key with meats. Um, I think it's 393 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,960 very clear here, and I've mentioned this numerous time, and I'm going to continue 394 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:12,800 to mention it. We are working on the legalities and making sure everything 395 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:17,520 follows the the appropriate structure. What we are not addressing is ethics 396 00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:25,280 because you cannot address ethics besides within your own heart. 397 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:33,119 Our road and our houses flood now. We flood now. So, we're going to put 398 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:38,000 however many houses, 30 something houses, and we are expecting it not to 399 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:42,800 flood. They will. We are expecting them not to have mold. They will. Every one 400 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:48,320 of us struggles with flooding, struggles with mold. 401 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:55,760 I have a very hard time believing that no matter what engineer firm, no matter 402 00:34:51,200 --> 00:35:01,359 what drainage board we go to, that area that is farm ground that we are planning 403 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:05,200 on putting houses on is magically just not going to flood. It's going to. And I 404 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:11,280 want to make sure this is in the record because when those poor people that buy 405 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:17,359 these houses are flooded and they have mold and I suspect they are not taken 406 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,800 properly care of by Ryrecks that it's not going to be put back on 407 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:24,640 Gibson County. I don't want it to be put back on Gibson County, but it is not 408 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,440 these people's faults. They don't know. The rest of us that live on this road 409 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:34,920 know. It's very concerning to me and it goes back to ethics. 410 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,920 » Thank you. Anyone 411 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160 else? 412 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:59,359 I'm Larry Mikl. I'm a Gibson County taxpayer. 413 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,079 I don't have any property right around here. 414 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:09,680 I'm familiar with it. I want I'm right very close to it. 415 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:14,480 Every one of these uh every one of these residents 416 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:17,920 I spoke I agree 100% with everything they're saying. 417 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:24,880 Um as a Gibson County taxpayer 418 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:29,440 I'm also concerned about Gibson County. I like 419 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:33,800 I like that last lady said it's going to come back on the county. 420 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:42,480 the developers to kind of walk away from it. Any any discrepancies, 421 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:47,119 uh the traffic, 422 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:52,480 the the water flow, I deal with drainage all the time. 423 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:58,480 Like I like they said, 90 acres is a lot of water to come down through this area. 424 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,800 the kind of people that's going to buy these homes, 425 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:09,599 the first person that said there's a lot smaller 426 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:14,320 lots and a half an acre. Well, they can have those and it's going to come back 427 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:20,240 to haunt them. If you take the perimeter off as 428 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,920 required from the highway from the road frontage and the 10acre limits and 429 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:29,359 everything and you build a house on it and you build a septic system on it, 430 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,359 you're going to be running out of room and that's going the people that come in 431 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:40,160 and buy a house, a lot of them are young and they don't know 432 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:45,200 what the heck they're getting into. So the county has a responsibility 433 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,920 of looking through these requirements and get it 434 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,640 done right so it doesn't come back on the county uh just like some of the 435 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,800 other subdivisions that the roads are put in improperly 436 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,960 and there's potholes and everything else after a few years. 437 00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:07,359 There are a lot of problems with this area 438 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:11,760 but 34 homes on 22 and a half acres is ridiculous. 439 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:15,839 It's it's going to be bad for the area. It's 440 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:20,960 going to be bad for the people who buy it. And sooner or later, it's going to 441 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:25,960 come back to haunt everybody, including Gibson County. 442 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,960 » Thank you. 443 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:46,000 » Hello. I'm Jessica Kramer. I'm the Union Township Trustee. Um myself and my fire 444 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,520 chief are here. Our main concerns are the width of the road. Is that going to 445 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,160 be wide enough with there not being another way out? 446 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:58,720 You've got big fire equipment coming in and going out. And then you also have 447 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,599 the hill. The hill is a big issue. We know I think everyone knows that that 448 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,800 road isn't traveled >> no 449 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:09,520 » as much. And with 34 new houses, it's going to be traveled a lot more. Um, and 450 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:12,640 then if you've got two vehicles, because I'm sure there's not going to be enough 451 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,800 parking, so there's going to be two vehicles on each side of the road. You 452 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:22,640 take that away from where they're going to be driving and you turn a big 75 foot 453 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:27,839 ladder around. I don't do that because you wouldn't want me to, 454 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,280 but um that that's our concern. And then whether or not there was going to be any 455 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,440 fire hydrants or anything put out there. Um, so we just kind of wanted to put 456 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:41,839 that to be put on record. Um, because without the fire hydrants, all of those 457 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:46,720 lots, their insurance will be way high. It'll be no different than Indian Hills 458 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:52,040 is at the moment. >> Thank you. 459 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,040 » Thank you. Thank you, 460 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:02,800 » Julie Ellsworth, the Gibson County Health Department administrator. Um, 461 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:08,480 back when this happened on the ordinance stating the how much feet should be with 462 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:14,640 the septic system, county ordinances should not be stricter 463 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:19,320 than the state and the state's 5 foot. Um, that Indiana code is 16-41-25-7. 464 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:26,240 Um, if anybody wants to look into that, you cannot do that. I mean, you guys can 465 00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:30,079 make your ordinances. I don't know who was in charge at that time and made that 466 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,440 ordinance, but really they should have worked with that department and and 467 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,480 everybody sure worked together to make sure that was correct. So that may need 468 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:44,000 to be changed, but state rule it should be five feet, not 10. Your guys should 469 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:47,720 not be stricter than the state. That's all I have to say. 470 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,760 Anyone else? 471 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,400 Yeah. 472 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,920 Another issue. I sold my I sold a house to one of my daughters. 473 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:25,040 They paid to sell her that house. I had to 474 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:32,880 subdivide that 40 acres. I had to get the health department 475 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:39,119 to give an okay there was two spots per seed. 476 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,839 Has this been done yet? Does all those lots have 477 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,240 protest 478 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,319 needs to be done before this gets done as well. And I disagree 479 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:06,040 as last speaker the county or is what was written and 480 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,040 that's what Gibson County 481 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,880 just 482 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:36,359 talked about this before. I think there should be 483 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,359 so much 484 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:54,760 I just wanted to knew why that You have to do that. You 485 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,760 do not have to do that. 486 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,960 » So, from the health department's perspective, and I know you're not the 487 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,480 you're the sanitation person, >> has this checked all of the boxes at the 488 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:16,720 subdivision review? >> As far as Yes. I mean, everything has 489 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:20,319 checked out with that. She's actually 490 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:25,119 looking So I mean everything is checked out as 491 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,920 far as septics go. We are in line with what we need to do. It's not a community 492 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:34,400 thing. I don't think that should be ever done. It just causes problems dealing 493 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:39,520 with something like that. But septics wise as far as all the other stuff I 494 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:44,520 don't know about the just as far as on the septic end it is. 495 00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:01,800 I was just up here to safety concerns and I 496 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:07,880 have five acres there. My backyard it's 497 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:20,319 our house is that big one the front ditch it was flooded over top my lane it 498 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:27,000 just rushes through it. had several come out to fix it. It's just going to be an 499 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,000 issue every time. 500 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,560 » Thank you. 501 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,880 » Any other public comment? 502 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:54,240 You want to come back up? We'll wait till Commissioner Burns gets back out 503 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:59,760 here. But um I would like if you would 504 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,880 start off responding to Mr. Clayborn's allegations, 505 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:08,880 including the 10- foot language. Um and if you need to go through those one by 506 00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:14,280 one, we can have him. >> Yeah, I did too, but it was too fast for 507 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,280 me. 508 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:55,760 Jim, the junior project engineer tried to take notes best I could miss. 509 00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:01,280 Please let me know. I'll try to do the best I can. There was a question about 510 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:08,880 the septic systems and how close they were property line. All of ours are 511 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:13,280 either at least 10 ft from the property line. As I pointed out on there earlier, 512 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:17,800 they're kind of in there. 513 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:17,800 parallel property. 514 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,440 There's a question about tax 515 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,839 side of the road 516 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,760 to build houses on the other side 517 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,119 questions. 518 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,359 design street 519 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,680 project like this. 520 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:24,040 There's a question about ditches 521 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,040 and such. 522 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,160 We caught water 523 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:50,359 around the subdivision to catch that water as it comes toward houses. 524 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,359 We're not blocking it. We receive it 525 00:47:52,800 --> 00:48:03,200 around that subdivision so that used to go to the ditch still goes to 526 00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:10,520 the big ditch on the north. However, the water is on this property actually goes 527 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,520 to detention bas 528 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,800 and so county 529 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:27,280 or not in this county 530 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:33,640 what some of the surrounding count And so you provide I'll say your 531 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640 provides 532 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:42,760 members if you will extra protection for the citizens of Gibson County. 533 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:59,920 We don't that's just It's an existing ditch that 534 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:06,400 we're not sending extra water into it. It's just 535 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:10,280 that we detention basins first and then those detention based 536 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:26,800 on the same page and understands works. um 537 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:33,280 use fake numbers just to prove a point if you will. Um you may have two 30in 538 00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:37,680 pipes that come into a detention base but you only have one 12in pipe that 539 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,800 comes out and so what happens if you have 100 gallons coming in 10 gallons 540 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:47,760 going out that will start to fill up and then come 541 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:56,800 back down of time. So what that does is 542 00:49:52,559 --> 00:50:03,000 It slows how fast water goes into the north side. And so technically, 543 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:03,000 yeah, over 544 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:11,400 it doesn't go there fast. And so you're actually 545 00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:22,520 currently all that water now. 546 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,640 And so instead 547 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:40,520 discharge that water goes up and down. 548 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:49,839 If you go to one side of the pond, dump five gallons of water in one side, the 549 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:53,839 guy over can't water right away, you know. 550 00:50:51,119 --> 00:51:01,119 in it doesn't run out. It kind of comes out if you will. That's kind of the way 551 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:07,760 and so all that water is being slowed down through process and so I will tell 552 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:13,720 you we probably 553 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,720 design 554 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:28,680 people to me and say, "Hey, I didn't believe it when you said it, but 555 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:28,680 actually my situation 556 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:34,200 is something that we pay attention to 557 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,760 folks that mainressed 558 00:51:51,119 --> 00:52:00,920 We looked at all. Some of it goes through 559 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,920 waterath 560 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,599 appropriately and 561 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:36,000 There's a question about roadways. 562 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:44,680 I've never heard a rule that says road has to be narrow. 563 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,680 That's not what I'm tell 564 00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:51,319 street. the county 565 00:52:52,400 --> 00:53:02,760 until you go unless you go street 566 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,760 anytime you're out in the county 567 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,880 I would guess 568 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,359 that's the situation. 569 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:36,800 There's more questions about the tension again 570 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,800 the whole 571 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:52,200 is a true statement to say that run off this property faster. 572 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,800 But that's why it's partaining 573 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:21,319 water that doesn't happen. There is rel gives you 574 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,040 a flavor 575 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,079 and so that's why I say Gibson County 576 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,359 subject system 577 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:11,800 for people to park in a question about roads and fire trucks 578 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:17,839 for fire trucks to drive up and down. We 579 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:33,640 I think that was it. I'm not sure if I missed something. Please let me know. 580 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:45,079 » Any questions for Mr. Moley or any of our agencies? 581 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:57,319 Sorry sir, this is for the commissioners only to ask. 582 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,319 » I will say I'll make myself available. 583 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,040 » So, do the commissioners have any questions? 584 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,520 » Do the commissioners have any questions for the other? 585 00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:13,119 » No. >> No. No. 586 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:17,599 Okay, then we're gonna we're going to close. 587 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,839 Sir, did you have a question for him? Is that what it was? Or did you have a 588 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:22,839 comment? A question. 589 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:30,400 » Okay, we're going to close the public hearing 590 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:37,119 public comment section of this meeting. We'll now go to deliberations and action 591 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:44,640 on the primary plat commissioners. You have a few options. 592 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:48,799 Your choices for voting on this are to approve it, 593 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:55,000 to approve it with conditions or restrictions. That's option two. Option 594 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,000 three would be to disapprove it. 595 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:09,839 Is there a motion or any discussion on those three options? Approve. approve 596 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:16,000 with conditions or disapprove. >> Jason, I do have a question just from uh 597 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:20,000 the Shiloh council. Um I mean are we meeting everything that we need to meet 598 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:24,319 for this whole project? I mean that's the from what he was what he stated 599 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,839 earlier and I mean do we feel like everything is said we don't want to rush 600 00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,680 we definitely don't want to rush it but I want want to make sure that you feel 601 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:38,480 feel like everything legally is being done correctly. I I do with with uh 602 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:47,880 obviously the guidance and consultation of our uh our department heads and and 603 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,880 consultants. I I feel comfortable. Yes. 604 00:57:53,839 --> 00:58:01,680 Tell you I'd like to really see I wish the county could afford to widen that 605 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:07,440 road. That would help out immensely and take that hill down. 606 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:13,920 » But to widen the road, you have to get people to give the property to us. 607 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:19,480 Otherwise, it's not going to happen. You know, 608 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,480 we can't just take it. 609 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:28,400 » Yeah, I know. >> I know what you're saying. 610 00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:33,280 I think I was I was in the audience before um before I became a 611 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:40,640 commissioner. Mr. Holden, this ever said something 612 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:45,920 about maybe like a um just a oneway or anything. Have you ever thought about 613 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,920 that? 614 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,480 traffic, 615 00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:04,319 » right? >> I know there's not a lot of traffic on 616 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:08,200 that road, but you get 32 more houses, there's going to be a lot of traffic. 617 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,359 All you have to have 618 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,839 every time shut down, everybody's on every other 619 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,079 Yeah, that 620 00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:57,480 hard to talk about because that's what 621 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,880 that's hard. 622 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,720 I know I have talked to about that. 623 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,720 on the road in the near future. 624 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,319 They come up 625 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,559 daily traffic 626 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:47,799 service. So 627 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,799 once you get 5,000,000 628 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,559 It's not 629 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:43,119 Are you a one? >> Yeah, I want to do a roll call vote. Uh 630 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:46,880 once we're once a motion has been made. Again, your options are approve, approve 631 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:52,319 with limitations or restrictions and then disapprove. So, 632 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,920 if somebody could make a motion, if one of those three things, we can move this 633 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,920 along. 634 01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:05,119 I guess I I'm definitely thinking about the conditions that that's where I'm 635 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,960 hung up at is the conditions. I mean, I definitely want growth and everything 636 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:14,000 else, but I want to be proper proper growth as well. But I think for this 637 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:20,480 project though, I think it's just more we're only really voting on I mean the 638 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:25,359 can't I mean, can we do We I mean I'd like to see something done more with the 639 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:30,760 with the roadway, but I mean I don't know, Matt, what's what else can be said 640 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,760 about this? 641 01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,480 ilities. I'm sure 642 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,559 » you have 643 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,480 you know commit to something also they're going to look at it right now 644 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,480 and say 645 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:26,520 10, 20, 30,000 days. They're having issues that they're trying to resolve 646 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,520 this 647 01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:34,839 hard. 648 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:04,079 Yeah. If it does become a problem, what what would be the next steps if it does? 649 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,599 I mean, like I said, we go by data. So if it becomes a problem, what what would 650 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,760 be the steps that we would have to do for that? 651 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,319 I think 652 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,000 volume. 653 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:04,480 The traffic exists to warrant 654 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,640 So they're still trying to exist. 655 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:31,720 It's currently 656 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,119 smooth. 657 01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:59,359 » Commissioner Burns, you asked a good fair question. I do want to reiterate 658 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:03,520 something that was mentioned earlier. So, construction and three plans, the 659 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:09,359 final drainage plan, the one lot sewage design with so soil borings, erosion 660 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:16,799 control, and the performance guarantees. Those all come at the final plat review 661 01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:22,720 under the Arctic weight and 11. So that that is something that will be 662 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:28,599 evaluated more thoroughly, but is not part of the analysis for 663 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,599 today. 664 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:51,520 I will go through the three options at this time in reverse order. Is there 665 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:54,520 a motion to disapprove preliminary plat approval? 666 01:06:56,079 --> 01:07:01,920 Hearing none, I'll move on to the second option again in reverse order. Is is 667 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:06,760 there a motion to approve the preliminary plat approval with 668 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,760 restrictions? 669 01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:15,039 Hearing none, I'll go to the first option. Is there a motion to approve the 670 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:20,000 preliminary plat as presented? >> Well, I tell you the way I look at it, 671 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:26,799 our engineer says it's all good. The health department says it's good 672 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:33,280 and that's the main I mean other than the flooding and the narrow road was 673 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:38,559 preliminary plat I'm going to have to agree to 674 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:46,160 just for the blendment area I mean just the first stage of it but 675 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:48,240 » okay so that is a a motion then commissioner McGomery 676 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,640 » yes >> okay there's a motion on the floor to 677 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,799 approve the preliminary plat as presented is there a second to that 678 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,839 motion >> I Second that. 679 01:07:55,839 --> 01:08:01,280 » There is a motion and a second on the floor. Now, we're going to do roll call 680 01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:05,119 vote and go in go in the order from right to left as we normally would. 681 01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:08,079 Commissioner, President Burns, how do you vote? Yay or nay? 682 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:10,319 » Uh, yay. >> Commissioner McGomery, how do you vote? 683 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,280 Yay or nay? >> Yay. 684 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,760 » And Commissioner Lewis, how do you vote? Yay. Nay. 685 01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:20,080 » I will abstain. >> Okay. Let the record reflect that 686 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:24,960 Commissioner Lewis has abstained. And the votes are there for preliminary plat 687 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,960 approval. 688 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,759 Hold on. 689 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:54,159 » After adjournment. Um, well, if you can talk with one commissioner at 690 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,159 a time. Yes. 691 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:59,400 Can I ask questions 692 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:07,400 about the road plans and the final plan? 693 01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:20,359 » When that happens, 694 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:26,679 they need to have approved set 695 01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:39,239 a little confusing 696 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,920 question 697 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:55,840 accepted for public 698 01:09:52,080 --> 01:10:00,120 That's what they approved is typically in process of development 699 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:06,760 once we've done that typically 700 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:18,320 get approved and then builds that design and then 701 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:27,000 go out and look at it. Expect it. 702 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:27,000 and say, "Yeah, this all looks good." 703 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,840 » Inventory. >> Yes. 704 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,239 » So, so you're you're basically suggesting that we do this through uh 705 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:42,560 three phases. The preliminary plan that we did today, the road phase two, and 706 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:50,360 then final. >> How how do we get to having an approved 707 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,360 set of road design? 708 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:57,880 because you don't want them to build something that's not an approved design. 709 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:08,440 It's missing the step of approving 710 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:16,480 and I'm talking about the interior subdivision street designed 711 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:22,000 that I think you're okay with everything. 712 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:29,159 But the code doesn't have doesn't have a process for approving the 713 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,159 so 714 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:39,080 » interior roads only >> interior roads only 715 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,080 go 716 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:54,400 there's a road in front of Okay, now we're start building 717 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:58,560 tough to sell a house. >> We've got a meeting next Tuesday. We'll 718 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:03,679 put this on the agenda. Give me a time some time to look at it and talk with 719 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:07,440 Matt and uh see see how to handle it. 720 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:13,440 » I'm happy to come back for that. >> Probably plan on doing so. So that would 721 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:16,960 be the 4:45 meeting that day. >> Oh, that would be the early meeting. I'm 722 01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:16,960 sorry. 723 01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:23,400 445 >> we already have 724 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:32,199 » that process works that's just for whatever reason I think it's a step 725 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:43,280 » Jason do um this do we at this time do we or is that 726 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:47,280 the final um how do we have maybe ly keep an eye on this project. How do we 727 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:51,280 go about that? >> Have his word on the project. 728 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:53,840 » Have lot of three I keep an eye on the progress of the project. Make sure 729 01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:56,800 they're meeting everything. Make sure they're meeting their ordinance and 730 01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:00,080 everything happen. >> Yeah, they they will continue to have 731 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:05,199 interactions, mandatory interactions with them for now. They're not they're 732 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:08,239 not at construction yet. So, I think you're asking for once they get 733 01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:12,960 to that construction phase, but they got to get through final plat approval 734 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:16,400 before uh before before we're in a position to have some oversight. 735 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,880 » Okay. >> Okay. 736 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,400 » All right. >> Make a motion to adjourn. 737 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:28,280 » I'll make a motion to second. All in favor signify 738 01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:28,280 by saying I. I.