[0:00] Yes, it's been off since I got here.
>> Not really.
[0:06] See,
>> just break it through.
[0:08] » But if [laughter] I break it then,
[0:20] [clears throat and cough]
[0:30] » as you hit go, we're good.
>> We're good.
[0:32] » All right, let's call this meeting to
order. [clears throat] We'll start by
[0:35] the pledge led by our chief of police
and then we're going to have prayer by
[0:38] pastor Andy Freick.
>> Please join me in the pledge. I aliance
[0:43] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
[0:49] stands. One nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:55] all.
>> Would you pray with me?
[1:01] Father, your word reminds us that we are
not our own. We've been bought with a
[1:07] price
and that price includes
[1:12] looking out for you, taking care of your
work, and looking out for each other.
[1:20] We ask that that would be the spirit
that would guide the session tonight.
[1:24] That we would look for that which is
best for and in one another.
[1:30] May everything done tonight be pleasing
to you. And I pray this in Jesus name.
[1:36] Amen.
>> Amen. That
[1:37] » was a beautiful prayer, pastor. Thank
you.
[1:44] » All right. Would you please do a roll
call, please?
[1:47] » Crawford.
>> Yes.
[1:48] » Jamie,
>> yes.
[1:50] » Michael Smith,
>> yes.
[1:51] » Darlington,
>> yes.
[1:52] » Gutierrez, Linda Wowski,
>> Plat?
[1:56] » Yes.
>> Thank you. We have approval of minutes
[1:58] from August 17th, both regular and
closed. So close will take us.
[2:04] » Do you want to table that one?
>> Can we table that?
[2:06] » Yep. Uh we'll table the closed session
from August 17th as just uh and then we
[2:13] have 20 August 20th committee of the
full minutes. Without the closed
[2:17] session, would someone make a motion to
approve the minutes as presented or
[2:21] offer uh with the suggestions for
changes?
[2:25] I'll make that offer to um approve as
presented.
[2:29] » Thank you. Is there support?
>> Support.
[2:31] » Thank you. We have a motion to support
to approve minutes of August 17th
[2:35] regular session as well as August 20th
committee of the whole meeting. Any
[2:39] further questions or comments?
>> Hearing none. All in favor, please
[2:43] motion by saying I.
>> I. I.
[2:45] » All oppose, please say nay.
>> Thank you. We have approval of warrants.
[2:51] Council person, anything you'd like to
share with us? Um, I just had a couple
[2:55] questions. I I didn't know
that we um
[3:01] pay quarterly for our copy machine
copies. It was just a large amount that
[3:07] I was kind of concerned about. That's
something that we do quarterly. So,
[3:11] that's fine. And then there was
[3:19] oh and I saw this large amount going to
South Park Improvements and Campground
[3:25] leas in Vanderbreak and it was our
engineers for the grant that we um
[3:30] that's going to be going in soon.
And let's see cemetery equipment.
[3:37] They didn't know what that entailed, but
it was the DPW had to have a weed
[3:41] whacker and that was not a huge. Let's
see. [clears throat]
[3:48] And there was Oh, Lexiple. I didn't have
a clue what that was. I should have
[3:54] probably, but um it's a yearly fee for
our police software.
[4:02] That's about all I had tonight. Thank
you,
[4:06] » Angela. Well, is there anything you
would add or does council have any
[4:08] questions?
>> Um, the only thing that I'll add is on
[4:11] page four, you'll be able to see the
Longhomer, Ford, and the Midland Fence
[4:15] Company, the 50% payment. That is the
grant that the airport received as a
[4:19] reimbursement. So, we did receive 50% of
the funds. So, we are now issuing checks
[4:23] for both of those items. Thank you. Does
council have any questions? Would
[4:28] someone make a motion to approve the
warrant? [clears throat]
[4:31] » I'll make that motion.
>> Thank you. Is there support?
[4:34] » Thank you. Do you have a motion to
support to approve the warrants? Any
[4:37] further questions, comments, or
concerns? Hearing none. All in favor,
[4:41] please motion by saying I.
>> I.
[4:43] » All oppose, please say nay. Thank you.
Uh, we'll go to the hearing of our
[4:48] delegations. Commissioner Donaldson,
there you are.
[4:51] » Hi.
>> Hi.
[4:53] » Hello, everybody. It's weird timing
because our commissioner meeting was
[4:57] this morning. Usually, I'm coming a week
or so after those meetings, so it's
[5:00] good. It's fresh fresh off the the
press. Um, so this morning we passed uh
[5:07] we moved ahead our our master plan for
the county and what that means is it
[5:11] starts 63day review period. So everybody
is encouraged to get a copy of that.
[5:16] There's digital copies or if you go to
the courthouse you can get a paper copy
[5:20] of it. U review it. This is the 63day
review window. And when we passed it as
[5:26] a resolution we allowed ourselves to
have final approval after the 63 days.
[5:31] So after 63 days if we're not uh in
favor of the changes or don't don't like
[5:36] the plan, we have that ability to
not pass it at that point too. Um had
[5:41] somebody from the company
[clears throat] was there today that
[5:44] answered a lot of the questions we had
and I had I felt comfortable at that
[5:48] point to to move that along. So that
that is the 63day period. So
[5:53] » can I ask a question for those of us who
do not have time to stop by but probably
[5:58] this is very important. What are the
highlights that that are in that plan
[6:01] that would get us to go to the
courthouse, go online and find it?
[6:06] » The the master plan really sets for the
next 20 years kind of the vision for the
[6:10] county and where we want to be. A big
part of that is what the land use is
[6:14] going to be. There's a big land use map.
Um if you were at the big master plan
[6:20] meeting that occurred at the arena, they
had the big giant map of all the
[6:24] different areas of the proposed. It
really it shrank some of our industrial
[6:28] areas. It it allowed for more different
things. It really cleaned up a lot of
[6:33] the areas throughout the county that um
we're and that sets it for the next 20
[6:38] years. It's a living document like
anything we could change. It's more of
[6:41] the big 20,000 foot view of what what
that is and where our
[6:47] county wants to be. A big part of that
is preserving. Big part in that plan is
[6:52] preserving. Uh a lot of the questions we
had today were centered around solar and
[6:56] data centers and I was really pleased
with the answer I got on data centers
[7:01] specifically. Um in our land use map in
that plan there's a land use map that's
[7:06] proposed um there's a purple area that
is industrial and the answer I got today
[7:11] was that if there is a data center in
Gladwin because it's illegal use there
[7:15] have we have to allow for illegal use of
things in our plan and the way it's
[7:21] proposed is that it has to be within
that area designated as industrial if
[7:26] the planning commission and zoning we
pass our zoning ordinances and planning
[7:29] and they make changes to it from that
But in our big picture, [clears throat]
[7:32] that's where that is. So, I felt really
pleased hearing hearing that. There's a
[7:37] lot of questions surrounding that that
I've been getting and I have myself.
[7:40] » One more question. Has the county made a
social media post? I have not seen
[7:42] anything about I mean, I have, you know,
the previous meetings and stuff. Is
[7:47] there are they planning a social media
post? Is it link that we might be able
[7:49] to share in our
>> We're not great at [clears throat]
[7:51] social media. Our website's good. We had
a revamp to our website and that's good,
[7:54] but social media isn't our strength.
I'll be honest. I wish it was better. I
[7:59] wish we had more avenues for things, but
it's it might be on the website. I think
[8:03] the master plan draft if it isn't should
be on the website.
[8:06] » It is
>> or if we call Okay, we will email it the
[8:10] copy.
>> Kimberly has a question.
[8:11] » Yeah.
>> Um just a question. I was going to look
[8:13] this up before I got here and um so what
is the city's role in that? Because we
[8:18] have our own separate master plan. So,
normally what it'll do is it'll go off
[8:22] for 63 days and then people can comment
from townships and build or we villages
[8:27] um and cities. Do we have to sign off on
the county's master plan because we have
[8:32] our own or no?
>> I don't think so. I think residents can
[8:35] because you're residents of the county
and have a say in it. But as an entity,
[8:40] I don't believe there's a staff. I think
they'll [clears throat] probably what we
[8:43] got today is stakeholders will get
copies of that. So, I'm hoping they send
[8:46] that out to cities, townships,
big companies that have a vested
[8:51] interest in that. But I encourage
everybody to read it. I really like uh
[8:55] one thing that was said today is most
counties and cities that have a master
[8:59] plan, they get it, it's beautiful, it's
nice, and then they put it on a shelf
[9:02] and say, "There's our master plan." And
it sits there for 20 years until it's
[9:05] time to redo it. So, I really I want to
use that as a as a living document that
[9:10] we can continue to use because it really
is kind of that guiding force of where
[9:13] we want to be. And in 20 years,
hopefully I'm still around and we can
[9:17] look back and say, "Hey, we we didn't
know what the heck we were doing in 2026
[9:20] because now in 2046, these are our new
guides and things to do.
[9:25] » Thanks."
>> So, I'm pleased with where it's at. I
[9:27] think there are still a lot of
corrections that need to be happening
[9:30] and some updates that are in there, but
not big picture things. It's a lot of
[9:34] details that I don't think they got all
the way correct that I'm going to work
[9:37] with them and do that. Some spelling
errors, some different things. One of
[9:41] the things said 46% of Gladwin
residents, Gladwin County residents have
[9:46] curbside trash and I thought that I
don't think that's correct. I think it's
[9:50] a lot higher number than that. Um, so
some things like that that are more
[9:55] demographic that I need I needed to see
updated that we'll look through and
[10:00] that's what the 63 day window is for.
>> Um, I just had a question because you
[10:04] said um for the data centers they have
to go in the industrial part. Does
[10:06] Gladron County have an industrial like
like we have an industrial area but
[10:10] where's the county industrial?
>> So there are zones within that are zoned
[10:15] industrial. So there's spots in
Beaverton, there are spots in I have the
[10:19] map. We can
>> there's but there's different actually
[10:21] designated spots already where it's
considered. Okay.
[10:24] » And we can always make more. So there's
there's an avenue within that. This is
[10:27] the proposed map, but if the planning,
zoning, county, cities, whoever wanted
[10:32] to revitalize and have an bigger
industrial zone, there's a way to change
[10:38] whatever land to an industrial zone, but
the way it's proposed right now is on
[10:42] that map. So then the other question I
have for you is um so I I came across
[10:47] there's a data center a data center here
in Michigan that this man has owned for
[10:51] quite a while and I don't understand the
differences between them other than one
[10:55] uses water and the other one does not.
Can you if we have data center if we end
[11:00] up you know somebody trying to come here
can you make it where they can't use the
[11:04] water and they have to do it the other
way is that a possibility or do they get
[11:07] to pick because I know you can't tell
them no it can you say no you can't use
[11:12] the water one you have to use this other
way that they do it without the water is
[11:15] that possible
>> so I've had that same question and the
[11:19] answers I've gotten have kind of varied
water use is more of a state issue and
[11:25] from drill wells it's a state manages
that. So our friends from fleets and
[11:30] vand nodding along, so correct me.
>> No. Yeah, you're right there.
[11:35] » Yeah. So it's not really that we have
local control to say you have to. There
[11:39] are state incentives right now that any
data centers who put in get an extra
[11:44] economic boost if they tie into
municipal water sources. So that's where
[11:48] a lot of them are incentivized to do
that right now. Doesn't help that our
[11:54] residential or our municipal water
sources all come from wells to begin
[11:58] with and and whether we have the
capacity to take out 100,000 gallons a
[12:02] day or more of water use that would be
for the planning zoning and the cities
[12:07] to
>> It's interesting that you say that
[12:10] because I read an article the other day
in the water use was a cheaper option
[12:14] for cooling
>> the equipment's extremely expensive to
[12:18] go without the water. Yes, that's what I
>> just almost quadrupled.
[12:22] » I literally watched a council meeting
where this guy went into his community
[12:25] and he said, "I own a data center and
you guys need to stop this right now.
[12:29] This is going to destroy our community."
>> Yeah. And there's different versions or
[12:33] glycol and some use recycle the water
and pull it. There's a million different
[12:38] things and we are so early in the
development of it that we just don't
[12:43] know a lot of those answers.
my understanding that there's an
[12:46] incentive [clears throat] for the
companies to hook up to municipal water
[12:49] at this point. And I don't know how the
city feels, but I I wouldn't imagine
[12:54] both either of our cities in the county
are set up to take on that much use from
[12:58] an industrial source.
>> Thank you.
[13:02] » Good question. Any more questions on
master plan?
[13:06] Um after we did the county also um
approved we're going to hire an HR
[13:12] consultant for HR training and
mentorship Laura Brandon Mabel. Um she
[13:19] was approved um I don't know the hours 8
to 10 hours I don't remember
[13:25] » 18 hours I think
>> 18 hours certain hours per week that
[13:28] she's going to come back and help in a
consulting world. you don't need to do
[13:32] that. Um, kind of update our policies,
look at different mentorship things in
[13:37] HR especially. Um, so I'm really pleased
for that. Glad we were able to to do
[13:42] that and bring her experience for that.
Um, after the meeting, we had a two and
[13:47] a half hour budget meeting. So, that was
fun to go through budget. We got to hear
[13:51] from different uh department heads and
all around from the county and and look
[13:56] at our budget as we we look forward.
We're going to do that again after our
[13:59] next commissioner's meeting. So, anybody
interested in the county budget, come uh
[14:03] to our next meeting on the 22nd. I think
it's two Tuesdays from now and stay
[14:08] after and hear all about your county
budget.
[14:12] » Where's that held at?
>> At the commission [clears throat]
[14:14] office, third floor of the courthouse.
And then I will be leaving at 5:45. We
[14:20] have a county parks pl uh meeting
tonight um where we are going to discuss
[14:25] our parks master plan, which we have
selected a new vendor for that. um we're
[14:30] excited to work with them and to kind of
have a new parks plan too. So really
[14:34] appreciate the input that we've gotten
from people who are involved in that and
[14:38] I really enjoy because my only
experience with working on the parks
[14:41] master plan was the city of Gladwin's
park master plan. So I kind of know a
[14:45] good idea of how that works. So really
excited for the county [clears throat]
[14:48] to have that um go forward. I don't know
if I if I gave this update last time um
[14:55] before the lodge, the sportsman's club
lodge and recreation area, whatever you
[14:59] want to call it, we did have uh somebody
who was helping run that for us. We she
[15:05] got busy with a new job, so we
transferred that. Um so our new uh I
[15:10] don't know what we're calling manager of
the facility is Trisha Laroo. you know,
[15:14] Trisha, she's around. She's the head of
the L Sports Complex, really involved in
[15:19] the in the area. Really excited. There's
some good events coming up. There's a
[15:23] shuderie class that's coming up in a few
weeks out there. The Council of Local
[15:27] Government meeting is going to be out
there in a few weeks, and they're doing
[15:30] a an archery, a 3D archery shoot out
there, which is pretty cool. Coming up
[15:35] in a in a few weeks as well. So, a lot
of good things to come out there.
[15:39] » Does any have other questions for the
commissioner?
[15:42] Thanks.
>> Thank you.
[15:44] » Uh Chief Alward, do you would you like a
moment for a delegation?
[15:50] » Friday
at 8:45 at the fire station, there's
[15:55] going to be a ceremony in commemoration
of the issue that took place on 911
[16:04] that there and a short presentation. So,
everyone's invited.
[16:10] » Thank you.
>> 8:45 Friday morning that's when it
[16:14] starts approximately.
>> And Lori as the housing director, would
[16:18] you like to add anything now? I know
you're later on the agenda as well.
[16:22] » No, it's been very very busy. Um, we not
only do housing, we also do the Council
[16:28] on Aging Services and we also do the
Glad City County Transit. We're the
[16:33] managing agent for them. So, we employ
106 employees um all within basically
[16:39] within Gladin County and stuff. Um, we
got 24 buses on the road.
[16:45] We've got 192 units of public and
section 8 housing that keeps us going.
[16:50] We have all the senior services and home
delivered meals. Um, Monday we will be
[16:56] taking possession of the [clears throat]
2025 uh new um Dodge van. It's electric.
[17:04] Um, Consumers Energy through their MI
Power program nominated the Council on
[17:09] Aging to receive this gift, this huge
gift. It's like $75,000
[17:14] and they put in the charging station.
So, we will be um taking possession of
[17:18] that Monday
>> and yeah, a lot of exciting new things
[17:22] going on.
>> Congratulations.
[17:24] » Thanks.
>> Thank you. [clears throat] At this time,
[17:27] we'll establish our agenda. I would like
to propose that we move item N on old
[17:32] business up to make it 3A to make the
first thing on our agenda so that um our
[17:39] beloved Lori um can get through here.
And then the other thing is if you look
[17:46] at item I
there was just a tiny little error. Uh
[17:50] if you could just erase fleece and
Vanderb contract that was just an error.
[17:55] Other than that everything else stays
the same. Are there any other proposed
[17:59] changes to the agenda?
Hearing none, would someone offer a
[18:03] motion to approve the agenda with the
two small changes?
[18:06] » I will motion.
>> Thank you. I have a motion and support.
[18:10] » Uh [clears throat] any further
questions, comments, or concerns?
[18:14] Hearing none. All in favor of approving
the agenda as with small alterations,
[18:18] please motion by saying I.
>> I.
[18:21] » All oppose, please say nay.
>> Thank you. We have our consent agenda.
[18:26] Uh we have our communications from
charter communications. The glad 911 uh
[18:31] event that uh we just heard from our
chief. The monthly library activity
[18:35] always interesting DDA authority meeting
minutes uh meeting minutes from our fire
[18:40] protection district airport commission
meeting minutes. The trail authority and
[18:44] then our report from our chief. Are
there any questions or anything that
[18:47] someone would like to take out of the
consent agenda to discuss?
[18:52] Hearing none. Would someone approve the
consent agenda? I'll make that motion.
[18:57] » Great. Is there support?
>> Support.
[18:59] » Thank you. We have a motion to support.
Any further questions, comments, or
[19:02] concerns?
Hearing none. All in favor, please
[19:05] motion by saying I.
>> I.
[19:07] » All oppose, please say nay.
Thank you. At this time, I got to write
[19:13] to this down. We will move into public
comment. Uh, this is the time on our
[19:17] agenda codified in the law for the
public to engage. Anyone is welcome to
[19:21] share their thoughts, praises, concerns,
questions. We do ask for civility and
[19:26] please address me as chair. We have a
threeminute max and for the most part
[19:29] there won't be a back and forth but city
staff if possible will follow up.
[19:34] [clears throat] Is there anyone here for
public comment?
[19:40] » Okay.
>> I just is basically just to to notify
[19:43] you um the council that our recall
position language was approved. So we
[19:51] will be moving forward with that. Thank
you.
[19:55] » Any other public comment?
[19:59] » Just as a quick side note, one thing we
have to remember with anything when it
[20:03] comes to these data centers,
industrialization or other things that
[20:06] might be coming to our county, obviously
we need to allow for growth. We need to
[20:10] allow for the ability for businesses and
economic opportunity in our county. We
[20:13] can't just obviously in the 21st century
rely solely and exclusively on
[20:17] agriculture, although people do need to
eat. So, it's kind of a good idea to
[20:20] kind of keep most of that intact
because, you know, we're always going to
[20:23] need food to stock the shelves. So, we
need to keep that in mind. We also have
[20:26] to keep in mind that science has made
many advancements and stuff. And these
[20:29] people were saying these data centers
need over 100,000 gallons of water. I
[20:33] don't know if they haven't heard of oil,
hydraulic fluid, coolant, or any of the
[20:36] other synthetic materials that we have
created over the last 150 years in order
[20:40] to keep things from melting down,
whether it's in a car or hydraulic press
[20:44] or all these other industrial
applications. So, I just don't
[20:47] understand why we have to that basically
be held ransomware. It's like, well, it
[20:50] has to be hooked up to a venial water
supply or it has to be used the wells.
[20:54] Why are we not entertaining all these
other options or potentially even making
[20:58] them spend all their enormous money that
they have to do the R&T to create
[21:02] something new that will keep these
things cool? the fact that we are
[21:05] hitching it, having that opportunity.
People really need to stop, you know,
[21:08] seeing it as one way or the other and
start thinking a little bit louder on
[21:11] these things and a little bit broader
because at the end of the day where
[21:14] there are other solutions that they
clearly don't want to entertain either
[21:17] because it's just a lot cheaper to use
the water and they don't care about it
[21:20] or worse, they intentionally want to
sabotage water supply so that way then
[21:23] when people can't use the water here,
they can buy up the land cheaper. We can
[21:26] see how all these things will play out.
Plus, as someone who's grown grown up in
[21:29] an area first 18 years of his life where
you didn't have forests, you had forest
[21:33] preserves, you didn't have nature, you
had nature preserves, it really sucks to
[21:37] have an area where yeah, you got
industrial areas for little sections
[21:41] right now, but if those areas get too
big or if we just allow for the language
[21:44] of these master plans going forward to
just allow anybody to come in here and
[21:47] do whatever the heck they want with
those things, [clears throat] we could
[21:50] face a very serious problem. Not to say
we need to say no growth whatsoever, but
[21:54] there's a level that we really got to be
careful going over. So, I'm hoping that
[21:57] everybody in all positions over the next
63 days thoroughly reviews that cuz Lord
[22:03] knows I will be. I know lots of other
people that are doing the exact same
[22:06] thing. So, I want to make sure that we
are all really being careful because 20
[22:10] years is a both a long time and it's
going to be gone in the blink of an eye.
[22:13] So, we got to think not just 20 years
but 100 200 years in the future as well.
[22:17] So, just want to make that comment Ben.
Thank you.
[22:20] » Thanks Ben. Anyone else?
[22:26] Hearing none, we'll move on to old
business, which we have none. And then
[22:30] Lori, you are up. Lori, it looks like
you were on for Well, I think you can
[22:35] explain it because it's a little
different than what's on our
[22:37] » Yeah. Um,
it says here about you guys approving
[22:42] the grant for um the uh environmental
review. Okay. Um, you're not approving
[22:50] the grant. Okay. I already got the
funding. And I did a um got a grant for
[22:55] Maple Man fire panel which is $250,000
which is huge. Um but what you're doing
[23:00] is approving the environmental review.
Okay. So in 2024 when I did the
[23:07] five-year plan for 2024 2029, we had to
have all our properties um Maple Manor,
[23:14] the 10 duplexes, all had to have an
environmental review done. And I mean it
[23:19] went into where the airport's located,
where the fire station is. I mean, it's
[23:25] 293 pages of environmental stuff. Um, so
but when we go to do a project, like I
[23:33] listed a couple different projects that
we have [clears throat] going on, we
[23:37] have to bring this back to the city
manager to approve saying that yes, it's
[23:41] not going to have an environmental
effect on what what is proposed to be
[23:46] done. So, what you're approving or I
guess before was just the city manager
[23:53] just signed it because we're not tearing
up sewers or wells or anything like
[23:58] that. We're looking at putting a fire
panel in Maple Manor which is a
[24:02] six-story highrise um which will be
actually the fire panel will be
[24:07] connected into each apartment. Right now
it is not. Okay. So, this is like a huge
[24:12] step for them. Um it gives them more
time. if there was a fight or something
[24:16] like that, it'll give them a lot of time
to be able to either get somewhere safe
[24:22] or, you know, do whatever that they have
to do to gather their stuff. Okay. Um
[24:27] the other thing that came up was um
there's no gutters on the duplexes and
[24:32] you know what that does to foundation,
stuff like that, it can ruin them in
[24:37] pretty pretty fast. So, what we're going
to be doing with the other money that we
[24:42] had set aside in the five-year plan is
um we're going to go in and um look at
[24:48] if there's any kind of damage behind the
brick where the water was pouring
[24:53] between the wall and the brick because
there was no gutter system. Um so, we
[24:59] got engineers looking at that. Um so,
it' be fixing any type of damage. It'd
[25:06] be putting gutters on every single one
of the duplexes where absolutely they
[25:10] need to have them. It would be fixing
whatever problems it is, you know, what
[25:14] has cost. Um because again, like on the
entrances where there should be gutters,
[25:20] you know, catching water and stuff, it's
going straight down and into a concrete
[25:25] window cell or window well, I guess what
you call it. That's not good because
[25:31] that is right alongside your foundation.
So anyways, so what the approval I need
[25:37] is for Kim to be able to sign this um
it's called an environmental
[25:42] [clears throat and cough] forget the
exact wording.
[25:45] Um
[25:48] it is called an environmental review
record. That's all that environmental
[25:53] that's already been approved. And so
this is just for the project that's
[25:58] listed on here.
>> Yeah. Here you guys can see.
[26:04] [clears throat]
>> Oops.
[26:07] » Um, actually this wasn't about the
grant. What I brought it before the
[26:12] council for was because we are in a
unique situation with the housing
[26:16] commission and how we handle and
basically we make their appointments and
[26:20] that's kind of the extent um of what we
do. um when it came to me it's it's not
[26:27] that I didn't want to sign it but
usually in my other municipal roles
[26:31] there you certify someone through a
resolution whether it's a city
[26:36] administrator the mayor or whatever we
looked through our records we couldn't
[26:39] find anything um we did find where Chris
had signed environmental reviews in the
[26:44] past regarding this but it's part of you
know my purpose of being here is to make
[26:50] sure that we do the things appropriately
so I don't know Lori was there a
[26:53] resolution before on certifying someone
to be able to sign.
[26:57] » Yeah, there's
>> because again, I've not seen the
[27:00] environmental review and if I sign it,
which the
[27:03] » Yeah, Chris would have gotten a copy of
it. I mean, it's 293 pages. Probably
[27:07] kind of hard to miss. Um but you know it
the only reason why you need to sign to
[27:13] be somebody outside of the Glad City
Housing Commission. Okay, so we are um
[27:19] you guys we were formed by and through
the city of Gladlin. Okay. Um, we are
[27:23] not an entity of the city of Glideland.
We were just formed by you guys. Because
[27:27] of that, we can have the city manager
sign off on the projects that we do.
[27:32] Okay? So, we're not
you guys don't have any say other than
[27:37] you point to the public housing board
and you are outside source to get our
[27:43] environmental
records done.
[27:48] » I go ahead. I I didn't mean to fine.
>> I just wanted to make sure that we you
[27:53] know, first of all, I don't know what
I'm signing other than, you know, and
[27:55] that's fine if the um council approves
for me to do that. So,
[28:02] » sure. So, I'm just curious. It doesn't
really matter, but so if what if if you
[28:09] work on the apartment over in Beaverton,
do they have to sign or is it still us
[28:12] because we formed the housing
commission?
[28:14] » It's a public housing rule.
>> Okay. So, Antler Arms is not involved in
[28:20] this.
>> Correct.
[28:21] » Well, and neither is Vir Manor. Um, but
because public housing consists of Maple
[28:26] Manor and the 10 duplexes, those are the
units that we need the environmental
[28:31] review done. Now, we had an
environmental review done on the other
[28:35] buildings, but you guys don't have that.
We There's nothing you guys have to do.
[28:40] » Thank you, Lori. Thank you for asking
the question. Do you does someone have
[28:43] enough information to feel comfortable
offering the resolution to let Kim
[28:46] Kimberly sign this environmental review?
>> I just make a comment. I just want to
[28:50] make sure to revise it to say that.
>> No. Yeah,
[28:54] » you understand. Okay.
>> I use the wording that she used for what
[28:57] it's called. [clears throat]
>> Yeah, I'll make that resolution. I think
[29:00] that's very appropriate.
>> Okay. Is there support?
[29:02] » Support. Thank you. We have someone's
offer a resolution and support. Any
[29:07] further questions, comments, or
concerns? Lori, would you add anything
[29:10] before we vote? Um,
no. This is just a formality. I mean,
[29:14] it's got got to be done. We've already
have it approved through a five-year
[29:18] plan, stuff like that.
>> But it's good to have an outside source
[29:22] look at the projects that we want to do.
And we've had some huge projects going
[29:26] on. I mean, roofs and elevators and the
whole nine yards. So, the impact would
[29:33] be [clears throat and cough] the siding
and the gutters because the fire panels
[29:38] encased within Maple Manor. There is no
nothing structural, nothing anything
[29:42] that's going to happen there. And the
other thing is with the duplexes, it
[29:46] could be the siding has to be replaced.
The brick will probably be gone.
[29:52] [clears throat] Gutters need to be put
on. We already did the roofs two years
[29:56] ago and the driveway. So,
>> yeah.
[29:59] » Thank you.
>> Would you do a roll call for that
[30:02] resolution? Larski,
>> yes.
[30:04] » Michael Smith,
>> yes.
[30:05] » Deb Platt,
>> yes.
[30:07] » Cher,
>> yes. Jamie Estein,
[30:09] » yes.
>> Carol Darlington,
[30:11] » yes.
>> Dave Coffin,
[30:12] » yes. Yes.
>> Thanks, Lori. We like seeing Thank you.
[30:15] » Thanks you guys.
>> Uh, next, wastewater treatment plan
[30:18] update from the engineer and electrician
and I'm handing this over to Kimberly.
[30:23] » Um, we have Mike from Police and
Vanderbrink and George Alward. Um, we
[30:27] are making some good headway and I think
we have some milestones coming this
[30:31] week. So, you want to start Mike and
kind of give you an update or George?
[30:35] Whoever wants to start.
I can go. Yeah. So, yeah, Mike with FNV.
[30:41] Um, yeah. So, it is uh yeah, a lot of
work got done today, but we did um start
[30:47] up the old plant. So, got pumps running,
got the clarifiers running, grid tank
[30:51] running. Um still working through a few
things on on the grid tank and uh
[30:56] getting stuff to work, right? But right
now, pumping through the whole plant. Um
[31:00] going to leave it that way tonight. I
know the guys are still there working on
[31:03] some stuff. So, um, still not, you know,
totally out of the woods yet. I think
[31:08] just got to test things, make sure
everything's running right and, um,
[31:11] things like that. But, yeah, a lot of
good progress today. Get things started
[31:14] up again. Going through the normal path
for treatment. So, um, yeah, if there
[31:20] are if you did notice any odors, I know
Kim stopped down. I probably am.
[31:26] Yeah. [laughter] So, pretty bad there
for a while. Um, just with, you know,
[31:29] some of that water that had been sitting
there and and moving it again. um you
[31:33] know tends to do that. But um yeah, I
think uh things are going well. I think
[31:40] you know as far as on the solids
handling process side and the anorobic
[31:43] digesttor that's there that's going to
take a lot longer to start up. That's
[31:46] more on the terms of months um to get
that working again, get the biology
[31:50] working again, right? But as far as
everything going through the plant um
[31:54] that you know normal treatment is as
normal.
[31:57] Um, yeah. So, really good. Um,
>> which would eliminate our temporary
[32:01] pumps that are costing us $50,000.
[clears throat]
[32:04] » So, [laughter]
those pumps will still be there for a
[32:07] little while yet. Um, but, you know,
hopefully the end of this week, you
[32:10] know, people are feeling comfortable
that pumps are operating. You know, we
[32:14] can watch the pump cycle, make sure
everything's still working correctly
[32:17] and, um, yeah, have those get out of
there.
[32:20] » Does anyone have any questions for Mike?
>> Thank you for the update. Yeah,
[32:25] » thanks for coming,
>> George.
[32:31] » Really, all I'm going to do is echo what
he already said.
[32:35] The [clears throat]
pumps, all the pumps are operational.
[32:39] The entire electrical system is
operational again.
[32:43] We're just waiting on the digtor to get
that operational.
[32:47] Uh, as far as the odors you mentioned,
I live about four blocks from there and
[32:54] I've got a next door neighbor that
smokes marijuana.
[32:57] [laughter]
[33:01] I don't notice anything coming up.
[laughter]
[33:04] Get that dig up [clears throat]
and we can
[33:09] [laughter]
a lot has happened over the last 20 to
[33:12] 30 days. And I think we need to be
grateful for the skilled trades folks
[33:15] who helped us
>> together keep them informed the best we
[33:19] can. So,
>> thank you. Any questions for the chief
[33:22] George? He's George this time.
>> George, I had a question for you. What
[33:26] um you'd mentioned before when you gave
an update that one of the main um power
[33:31] supply lines that were under was
underground was compromised.
[33:36] Were you able to salvage that or what
happened with that?
[33:39] » Why
>> or what happened with that line?
[33:41] » We've got it replaced. Oh, you do?
>> Yes. It got replaced. It was It was
[33:45] quite an ordeal to get those cables out.
They were already been in they been in
[33:50] there for, you know, 30 20 some 30
years. And [clears throat] we finally
[33:55] were able to get them out and replaced.
And the new equipment that normally
[34:01] would take about 8 months to get, we had
in about a week and a half. So, we're
[34:07] back operational again.
>> Okay. Great. Thank you.
[34:11] Yeah, with Labor Day being yesterday, I
hope you all vanked a trade skilled
[34:14] person because they're saving us. Thank
you, George.
[34:18] » You're doing just fine.
>> Yes, please.
[34:22] » I just want to say because I have two
guys in the room. Um there's a team of
[34:25] four of us. There's Mike, George, Dave,
and um myself that we um kind of come
[34:32] together around 7 o'clock every night.
And then Mike puts a report together
[34:36] because we're speaking to Eagle between
7 and 10:00 every single night. Um so I
[34:41] just really want to say thank you
because everybody has worked good
[34:44] together and um our testing has been
great. There's going to be some stuff
[34:48] come out. Um did we make the paper or
no, Scott? Okay. So, tomorrow um and
[34:56] that will also be updated tomorrow on
the website um with some of our testing
[35:00] because I know residents have asked what
our test results are. So, that will be
[35:04] out there. But thank you guys because we
couldn't have did this without you.
[35:08] » Thanks. Um be did you want the bribe in
the note then? [laughter]
[35:15] [clears throat]
>> Are there any other questions?
[35:18] » Definitely write it down.
>> All right. Hearing none, we'll move on
[35:22] to the acceptance of the resignation
from council member Caffrey. Uh we
[35:26] listened to him, but we did not vote to
accept. Um would someone make a motion
[35:29] obviously with regrets uh to accept the
resignation of council member Caffrey?
[35:35] [clears throat]
>> Thank you. Is there support?
[35:37] » I'll support it.
>> Thank you. I have a motion support to
[35:39] accept the resignation of council member
Caffrey. Any further questions or
[35:43] comments?
Hearing none. All in favor, please
[35:46] motion by saying I.
>> I. All oppose, please say nay.
[35:51] Thank you. And now we get into the
appointment of the vacant city council
[35:55] seat. So how would council like to see
this happen? Designate designation
[35:59] deliberation happens in public. So does
anyone want to get started and we want
[36:05] to go through each one individually? We
got a packet for those of you who are in
[36:09] the audience. We had seven folks uh
express interest.
[36:15] The amazing amount of experience in our
community should make us all very proud.
[36:20] This was a nice packet to get um dream
team kind of material. So, how would you
[36:26] like to get started?
>> I think last time it worked well when um
[36:30] we were replacing um and Mike was
appointed.
[36:35] So, I don't think we need to go through
each one of these and review it. But the
[36:39] what we did is we invited the people to
do like the kind of stick with the three
[36:44] minute or less type of thumb rule. I
mean, you know, we didn't set the timer,
[36:47] but um if they're here and they wanted
to present anything to the um council
[36:54] and then we went on from there.
>> We have a couple.
[36:56] » I think that's great.
>> No, if that's if that's okay with I mean
[36:59] that's how we did it before. I did
follow the same.
[37:02] » Okay. Uh how many of you are here? I
know two are here. Is there more?
[37:06] » I'm a representative for
>> Okay. From where?
[37:10] » Uh my name is Rebecca representative for
Patrick H.
[37:14] » Okay. Oh, great. Okay. Uh, do you guys
are you okay with a three minute? Tell
[37:18] us what your strengths are, how you want
to go.
[37:24] » Oh, I think
it Oh, it's the last name.
[37:28] » Should I come there? You want me to stay
back here?
[37:30] » As long as you're loud and I know you
>> Oh, I'm definitely loud. Don't you
[37:32] worry. Um, take everybody. I'll just
read the letter that I got here last
[37:35] time. I feel like I got off base. So, my
name is Benjamin K. Frons. I'm writing
[37:38] this to formally humbly apply for the
recently vacated Lin City Council
[37:42] position. I am a husband, father of four
and own two properties in Gladwin, one
[37:46] within the city limits as well as one
outside in Buckeye Township. I have been
[37:49] a substitute teacher at Gladwin schools
as well as other schools in the area for
[37:53] over 2 years now. Your kids or grandkids
may know me as Mr. Ben and I have
[37:57] recently taken over running the chess
club at the Gladwin Library. While I'm
[38:00] sure there are others whose involvement
in the community is more extensive, this
[38:02] is what I've managed in just over 5
years of living in Gladwin. To put
[38:05] things in perspective, as a younger man
who has worked in a variety of positions
[38:08] in my life, from manufacturing to
service to hospitality to sales to
[38:12] corporate to institutional, I can offer
a broader outlook to the council on
[38:15] these various industries. Further,
[clears throat] as someone who has
[38:17] attended city meetings in the past, I
can see how there are fewer younger
[38:21] people represented, whether in the
council or attendees. Now, some may say
[38:25] this is due to a lack of experience.
However, I am inclined to agree with
[38:28] Oscar Wild, who once famously said that
experience is merely the name men give
[38:32] to their failures. While this can be
taken to a cynical extreme, which I am
[38:35] not advocating for, it simply serves to
remind us that experience is not an end-
[38:39] all beall. I still have experienced an
extensive amount despite my youth having
[38:42] lived in multiple states, traveled
internationally, and being married with
[38:45] kids for over 8 years now. In this
respect, I believe I would make an ideal
[38:49] candidate, someone with perspective, but
still plenty to learn from the veteran
[38:52] council members. Lastly, I've been
reading up on parliamentary procedure in
[38:56] efforts to ensure I make proper motions
and understand how the meetings are run.
[38:59] Cannot guarantee that I will do
everything to the letter initially.
[39:02] However, I'm always willing to learn
accordingly. Thank you so much for your
[39:05] time. Have a great day.
>> Thanks, Ben. [clears throat]
[39:10] » AJ, you want to go next?
>> Sure. I'll go next.
[39:12] » Thanks for being here.
>> My stuff.
[39:17] Uh, I'm AJ. You live in the city for
five, six years now. Previously, we've
[39:22] been living in GL my whole life. Um,
grow up here. I've been involved in uh
[39:29] youth sports for 15 years. I was a
president down there on the the board
[39:32] for 15 years actually. Just resigned
from that position um two years ago.
[39:37] Took on repping in the community. So now
I ref
[39:41] um some high school games. I was just at
the Spring Lake game on Wednesday or
[39:44] Thursday. That was pretty good
experience at a varsity game. Um
[39:48] currently I am now on the uh sports
complex board. Um when I was a kid I was
[39:54] on the junior 4 board. Um we ran all the
meetings and stuff. Um, for the reason
[40:01] of why I want to get involved, again,
I'm going to mimic there's not a lot of
[40:05] youth that wants to get involved. Um,
and I feel that as time goes by, we
[40:10] start having kids. Um, we want to set a
good example for our kids and stepping
[40:14] up and having a voice for them when they
can't. Um, so yeah, that's unless you
[40:20] guys have any questions for me, that's
kind of where I where I'm at.
[40:24] [clears throat]
>> Perfect. Thank you, Would you like to
[40:27] speak on behalf of Mr. Heatherington.
>> I would like to speak on behalf of Mr.
[40:31] Heatherington. Patrick Heatherington was
born and raised here in
[40:39] [laughter]
[40:44] » All right. I uh
oh
[40:50] my own
born and raised here
[40:55] lived here for 16 years of his life
advocate
[41:02] high school
[41:07] varsity guy and all team and moved to
California moved back because he loved
[41:14] was
most glad because he loved it. He loved
[41:20] the family. He loved the community and
he loved everything. He put his time and
[41:28] effort into rebuilding a home on Gallery
[clears throat] that was about to be
[41:34] devastated and demolished and rebuilt it
because he loved the city and he loves
[41:42] the city and he loves the people and he
wants it to succeed
[41:47] and
this is his home and this is his
[41:52] community. He wants it to thrive and
wants all of us to thrive
[41:59] and
which phone would work if he would tell
[42:03] us that. Um unfortunately um outside of
Glad Gladwin so [clears throat] he got a
[42:11] tummy ache and he couldn't be here but
he loves this town. He loves everyone
[42:18] here and
wants to try.
[42:23] » Thank you. Thank you.
[42:27] he
>> you're what you're saying is fabulous.
[42:29] as um he built when he left he built and
built a business in California that was
[42:38] thriving for years and until I thought
it was time to
[42:57] » that's what I have to
Thank you. Thank you very much.
[43:01] » Tisha.
>> Um,
[43:04] » what?
>> No, go ahead. I read it and I'm like I
[43:07] didn't get the last name, my friend.
Sorry.
[43:10] » Cuz you're just Tisha. You just have one
name.
[43:12] » Go ahead.
>> Well, most of you guys already know who
[43:15] I am. You know, I do parks.
Moved here. We bought our house here
[43:21] eight years ago. Literally knowing
nobody in this town. Not a soul.
[43:28] And [snorts]
it's a wonderful town. We love it. This
[43:32] is our home now.
Our grandkids come here.
[43:38] They go right Christiey's store.
They go find local businesses and they
[43:43] have fun.
I Michigan's my home, but I lived out in
[43:49] other states. I've done city council
before. I've been on school boards
[43:54] before.
I've learned how to work with people
[43:59] that are fun and people sometimes you
just okay but you always work together
[44:06] and you always find a medium
and I just feel like I promised my
[44:11] daughter I would never do this again.
>> Sorry,
[44:16] but I just feel like I just would love
to be in a town that I love now and
[44:20] called home.
>> Thank you. Are there any questions for
[44:22] Tisha?
Thank you. Uh, thank you all for being
[44:26] here. Additionally, in our packet, we
had Aaron Gibbers, Nicole Willis, and
[44:30] Doug Jacobson. Um, so council, are there
any questions, concerns? Would someone
[44:36] want to start with a motion? You want to
How would you like to keep going?
[44:42] » I'd like to make a motion to uh appoint
Tesha Wyatt to the city council to
[44:49] replace John Caffrey.
>> We have a motion for Tisha. I'll support
[44:54] it.
[45:00] » Okay. All right. We have a motion in
support. Let's have a conversation.
[45:04] » This is Mr. Heatherington.
>> Hello, Mr. Heatherington. Thanks for
[45:07] joining us.
>> Hi. Sorry. I have been feeling good
[45:10] today, so I just But Rebecca said I had
to come over for a little while.
[45:20] But you speak better for yourself than I
could.
[45:24] » Uh, we did hear about you, Mr.
Heatherington.
[45:26] » Good.
>> So, please feel free to have a seat and
[45:28] relax for a minute. Thank you, council
person. Yes. First of all, um I'd like
[45:34] to again, as you did, um thank those
that are here and those that are not
[45:40] here for taking the time and effort and
taking that step to put their name in to
[45:47] fill this two-year position. Um I
appreciate that. It's it's always
[45:52] concerning to think is anybody going to
who's going to how many are going to?
[45:56] This was an awesome showing of support
and interest. So, I appreciate that. Um,
[46:03] I will support the nomination. Um,
there's a couple of reasons.
[46:11] I'm looking for someone right now to
fill this two-year position that has
[46:16] some experience on city council and
other boards such as the school board.
[46:22] And there's a reason for that. Um we are
going to have a opportunity to have an
[46:31] election in just a very short period of
time and um most likely things will
[46:38] change in some respects and it would be
nice to have someone seated in that
[46:44] position that has some background in
council already um and is already up to
[46:51] speed has been attending the meetings
for I don't know maybe a year or so. Um,
[46:55] and knows a lot of what's taking place
[laughter] and transitioning right now.
[46:59] So, that is my thoughts.
>> I'm going to add my thoughts if no one
[47:03] has more. I think Tisha is a great uh a
great nomination, but I think u both AJ
[47:10] and Ben have uh shown more than once and
more in in quite official ways that they
[47:16] are interested in a seat here. So, I
don't think we can in my humble opinion,
[47:20] I'm not sure they should be written off
quite yet. Um, but I'd love to hear some
[47:25] discussion. Deliberation is public. So,
thoughts, questions, concerns. Can you,
[47:30] you know, I heard why you wanted to
support the nomination. Is there anyone
[47:36] do we close nominations or are you guys
I mean, this is the great conversation
[47:40] we get to have.
I think they're all three are great
[47:44] candidates and they all have contributed
to meetings and they've all been
[47:50] » It's a tough decision.
Yes, thank you.
[47:54] » I I uh I agree. I I was impressed with
these resumes. There's some really good
[48:00] resumes in here. It really is. And uh it
was a tough decision for me. Um I did
[48:10] base part of my decision on what I've
seen and heard in the last three or four
[48:15] months.
>> Okay.
[48:16] » We'll just leave it at that.
>> Okay.
[48:19] » Anyone else?
Okay, we have a motion. Uh, any further
[48:24] discussion?
Okay, well, we'll close motions. Uh, and
[48:29] we'll take a vote. Can we do a roll call
vote on this one? The motion was for
[48:33] Tisha to support or Tisha to be
appointed for the two-year vacancy.
[48:40] » Carol Dington,
>> yes.
[48:42] » Dave Crawford,
>> yes.
[48:43] » Jamie Eine,
>> I'm still undecided on this one, guys.
[48:49] And I'm not going to lie. I mean, this
is a it's a tough decision and I don't
[48:56] I don't know how we can just not have
more of a discussion about this.
[49:01] » Okay, that's where I'm sitting right
now. That's a valid concern. I feel the
[49:06] same way, but here we are. Um
I don't know since we started voting. I
[49:12] think we have to keep going. So we can
register as they're not I don't think
[49:15] you can register as not vote but a no
vote at this point because we can vote
[49:19] again later.
>> Yep. You know that if you don't vote
[49:24] it's a yes vote and if you
>> so it's
[49:28] » I know I just know that
>> that's why I'm stuck with this. these
[49:33] happen so fast and it seems like these
decisions are made prior to coming to
[49:37] the table rather than at the table and I
just I don't like that and it makes it
[49:44] it makes it a hard decision. I mean we
have great people in our community and
[49:48] we've got great candidates. It is hard
to choose just one.
[49:52] I don't know. I mean,
[49:58] » can we
[50:02] I'd like to respond if I could,
>> please.
[50:05] » Just brief just briefly.
>> That's why we got the resumes ahead of
[50:08] time.
>> I understand that. But
[50:10] » we all had a chance the whole weekend to
look them over, make our decision based
[50:14] on what we saw and what we know.
>> Can I ask you a question? Do you mind if
[50:19] I pause and ask you a question? Because
I agree. I had less pressure than you
[50:23] all, right? Um because I just review
them and but
[50:28] I'm going to someone who's not here and
I don't think what their feelings would
[50:31] be hurt, but we have an attorney and
we're having some legal issues, right?
[50:36] So, can you would you be willing or
can we talk about like why not Doug? Um
[50:42] because he's an attorney. He knows this
stuff inside and out. Um what makes you
[50:47] set him aside for anyone?
>> I don't think we can wait. Yeah. Yeah.
[50:50] We were doing discussion.
>> I don't think we can do this. We have to
[50:53] finish voting.
>> Voting.
[50:55] » That should have been Dor.
>> That should have been a point of vote.
[50:56] » That should have been Yeah, that should
have been before we voted. So, let's we
[51:01] have to move on to the next person.
>> So, what would you like your vote to be
[51:05] recorded as?
>> I'm going to sustain from voting at this
[51:09] point.
>> Again, it'll be a yes vote. You have to
[51:12] » You have to say something, Jamie.
>> That's the hard part to vote.
[51:16] » Uh, let's go around to the Can we come
back to you, Jamie? Yeah.
[51:23] » I'm gonna say yes.
>> Plat.
[51:25] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[51:27] » Okay. Michael Smith.
>> Yes.
[51:30] » Yes.
>> Would you like to register a vote now?
[51:34] » Doesn't matter. No.
>> Okay. Um at this time, thank you. Uh we
[51:39] have voted and uh congratulations Tisha.
Now we have a swearing in which is done
[51:45] by our clerk.
[52:02] I do swear
>> that I'll support the Constitution of
[52:07] the United States.
>> I will support the Constitution of the
[52:10] United States
>> and the Constitution of this state.
[52:13] » Constitution of this state
>> and I will faithfully discharge
[52:16] » discharge. Council
person
[52:20] » council person
>> to the city of Gladlin
[52:23] » city of Gladland
>> the county of Gladlin
[52:24] » the county
>> state of Michigan
[52:26] » state of Michigan
>> according to the best of my abilities
[52:28] » according to the best of my abilities
[52:39] [clears throat]
>> congratulations
[52:42] » it was okay if you would sit
>> it's not that I don't think you're
[52:46] qualified at because you are but I just
feel like but join us. This these happen
[52:51] fast.
>> Okay. Uh and then uh the very next
[52:55] agenda item we will move to council
person Wyatt.
[53:00] Um which is we're going to discuss
changes to our the rules at our parks.
[53:05] Council person Wyatt.
>> What? [laughter]
[53:09] » Wait a minute. Nope. You don't have
time. Starting right now.
[53:12] » Snap snap snap. Snap. Exactly. Move
fast. [laughter]
[53:16] They sure do.
>> I know, right?
[53:18] » What was this one?
>> This one is the parks rule changes.
[53:23] » Okay, we the parks commission went
through the rules and we had discussion
[53:30] of what we wanted what we thought we
needed to change to update because those
[53:35] things were very
outdated. Um,
[53:40] so we changed some of the wording to
take out back bathing beach and just put
[53:47] as swimming beach. Um,
I don't know when those things were
[53:52] written, but they were
>> um, for those [clears throat] council
[53:55] members, we do have this and we've
discussed it at two separate meetings,
[53:58] both uh, two count meetings, I believe.
>> Yes, two count meetings because we had a
[54:02] question for um, the wording.
>> Okay. Do does council have any further
[54:07] questions or concerns?
>> Would someone offer a question
[54:12] motion? We'll do motion then questions.
You should do that anyway. A motion to
[54:16] approve and then we'll go through
questions.
[54:18] » I'll make a motion that we approve the
2027 rules for the park and campground
[54:24] as presented.
>> Thank you. Is there support?
[54:28] » Support.
>> Thank you. Motion to support. Thank you.
[54:31] Council is glad.
>> Uh Chief, I have a question for you on
[54:34] this. It says in here, unlawful to
possess a firearm or bow and arrow. This
[54:39] does not apply to registered campers who
are legally transporting hunting
[54:42] weapons. How did we how do we define if
it's a hunting weapon or not?
[54:48] » Well, yeah. Um,
that's a really tough question.
[54:54] » Yeah, that's what I thought.
>> Yeah, like it's that that's one of them
[54:56] areas that would be very difficult to
click that in.
[55:02] » So, they say it's a hunting weapon.
Obviously, a bow and arrow. I mean,
[55:05] that's pretty simple, but um
>> there are certain calibers and other
[55:09] things that cannot be used for hunting,
okay,
[55:11] » due to Michigan DNR rules.
>> So, obviously, if it's one of those, but
[55:15] other than that, you can hunt with a
handgun. Um it has to be a certain
[55:20] caliber and certain size and things like
that. But,
[55:23] » okay. So, basically, if the DNR says it
can be a hunting weapon, that's going to
[55:27] be our standard basically. I'm just I'm
only asking because
[55:32] » a lot of it's based on the
>> the gun laws are very Yeah. You know,
[55:38] so that's why I was curious when it says
that,
[55:42] you know, hunting weapons are going to
be allowed. So I was like, how do we
[55:45] define this? So, okay, that answers my
question actually pretty good, though.
[55:49] Thank you. Thank you. Any further
questions, comments, or concerns?
[55:53] Hearing none. Uh, all in favor of
approving the park rule changes that
[55:57] start in 2027, please motion by saying
I.
[56:00] » All oppose, please say nay.
>> Thank you. Approval for a fundraiser for
[56:05] the city park camp [clears throat]
ground. And this one uh goes to Angela
[56:10] and Richard.
>> Okay.
[56:13] Well, trying to raise money for the city
park to improve it. We need several
[56:20] picnic tables. We need several benches.
Our equipment is old right now. We're
[56:25] operating on one lawn mower. That park
is big. We
[56:32] have some on order that uh Kim's trying
to get in here for us, but we need some
[56:37] new equipment. I came up with an idea of
having a golf outing to raise money. Did
[56:42] they have a copy of everything?
>> Right. Updated version of the cost
[56:49] place. There's a couple.
>> So, this this proposal here for the city
[56:55] council approval
is all broke down here. The participant
[57:01] registration,
the sponsorship money. This is all based
[57:06] on a guesstimate of 80 participants.
[snorts]
[57:11] All right.
Um, we stand to make in one afternoon
[57:17] 3,200 bucks. All
right. That'll buy some picnic tables.
[57:22] That'll buy some benches. All right. I
understand that all the entry fees for
[57:29] this outing have to come through city
hall. That I cannot collect checks or
[57:35] cash from anybody that wants to
participate. It's all got to come
[57:38] through the city hall because it's for a
city park. Um, so all the registration
[57:44] will be done here. We have a copy of our
final flyer here if anybody wants to see
[57:49] it. We pass that around to the city
council. I didn't get copies made.
[57:55] It's going to be held at Gladin Heights
Golf Course. And we're asking for an
[58:00] entry fee of $100 per person, which
includes their golf, their cart, their
[58:06] lunch, their dinner.
[58:10] So, it's not unreasonable amount to ask
off of the um
[58:17] registration fees of 100 bucks. All
right. The we will clear $28 per person.
[58:25] All right. Sponsor fees. I'm planning on
trying to get 36 sponsors. I know I
[58:31] [clears throat] couldn't do nothing till
we were approved by the city council to
[58:35] hold this event. Um, I did talk to
people, ask them if they'd be
[58:40] interested, and [cough] I've already got
six businesses in town, which I only
[58:45] talked to six businesses, saying that
they would participate.
[58:49] So, we get the signs made up for $100
donation, but advertise what they want
[58:55] on their sign on the golf course for the
day. The signs are going to cost me $23
[59:00] a piece to be made up. So, we stand on
making a good chunk of money just off
[59:05] the sponsors.
And uh it's all going to the city and
[59:09] hopefully to the city parks commission
so we can improve the park.
[59:15] » Angela, do you have anything?
>> Um the only other thing I'll add is
[59:18] because this is being designated for a
certain item or purchase. It will have a
[59:24] line item that's separated out in your
budget that the proceeds are set aside
[59:28] and then as those items are purchased,
it will need to come back to city
[59:32] council then for you to release that so
that it doesn't just go into the general
[59:35] fund and be absorbed in the fund
balance.
[59:38] » Okay. Are there any questions? I have a
couple, but does council have any
[59:42] questions?
>> Richard, I think this is the, you know,
[59:47] a fundraising a golf outing is usually
quite well received in our area.
[59:53] And don't take this wrong at all. Have
you have you done a golf scramble
[59:59] before? Golf outing before.
>> Uh I came from a company called um
[1:00:05] Legacy Industries. I was a compliance
manager there in charge of 370 people. I
[1:00:10] ran two golf outings a year.
>> Great.
[1:00:13] » You know, and we always had over 100
participants.
[1:00:16] » Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the
question. Any others?
[1:00:21] I guess [clears throat] I'll share that
and maybe this is Angela, maybe it's to
[1:00:24] council. Um I was a bit offended when we
asked for donations for a Christmas
[1:00:30] party. Um because I feel like we're a
municipality and I'm, you know, my
[1:00:35] everyday work is the nonprofit world. So
that feels really weird to me that we're
[1:00:40] asking for donations. I don't know how
much of your time will be put into this.
[1:00:45] Um, but for $3,200 it's great, but also
we're not a nonprofit. $3,200 is
[1:00:53] something we waste that on postage. You
know what I mean? Like there's just I
[1:00:58] can't believe I'm a little I'm a little
offended as a community member that
[1:01:03] we're asking the community to pay for
something that we manage because we
[1:01:08] haven't kept up or it's one of those
things that has always bothered me. Um,
[1:01:13] but that's my opinion. I just and I
nonprofits, right? Like it
[1:01:19] [clears throat] feels like we're not a
charity, we're a municipality. If we
[1:01:21] can't keep our
park benches up to date, what's next?
[1:01:26] You know, we do have things on this list
that we haven't kept up to date that are
[1:01:28] going to cost us. Um, so I'm opposed to
this. I really think if we need some
[1:01:33] park benches, let's talk about what a
park bench costs rather than going to
[1:01:36] the community, putting a ton of time
from the parks to staff member time. Um,
[1:01:42] even if we added up all that staff
number time that's not in here, um, and
[1:01:45] then the whole day and the planning, I
mean, I've been part of these two, it
[1:01:48] takes a lot of time. So, I just feel
like personally for $3,200,
[1:01:54] I would prefer us to say, does the park
need more money? Do they not have
[1:01:58] enough? What is what does their budget
look like right now? Um, that would be
[1:02:03] my preference rather than going to our
community and saying, "We're not keeping
[1:02:06] up on what you've given us. we'd like
you to give us a donation to take care
[1:02:11] of what you've already paid for. It just
feels like a big mess to me per
[1:02:15] personally, but does anyone else have
any concerns or would you like to create
[1:02:19] a motion?
>> I think that
[1:02:24] I've never seen a
um golf outing bring in this little bit
[1:02:29] of money. So, this is this is based off
from these specifics. This is not based
[1:02:34] off from the other things that will be
happening and taking place there. So
[1:02:39] that number definitely should be
significant.
[1:02:43] » It is lowalled.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. Should be
[1:02:45] significantly better.
>> However,
[1:02:50] » I would like to see and and this is
>> and maybe it's not maybe we don't do it
[1:02:56] this fall. What I would like to see is I
would like to see a budget request come
[1:03:02] through from the parks
telling us what we need. To be honest
[1:03:08] with you, I I am and I and I I have a I
mean I I I agree with Sarah. I'm not as
[1:03:14] concerned in regards to some of the
things that she said, but I do agree um
[1:03:19] that
we should know how many picnic tables
[1:03:23] need replacing and what the cost is. We
should know, you know, what the lawn
[1:03:28] mower is, you know, we should know those
kinds of things. And in addition, you
[1:03:33] know, there should be some grants out
there that we could apply for. So, um, I
[1:03:40] appreciate what you've put into this.
I'm not seeing it in and my vote will be
[1:03:46] that we don't entertain it for this
fall. If it's something that we still
[1:03:51] see is a need and that we can't meet
that need, then I would say that maybe
[1:03:56] the new seated council would want to um
entertain it for a spring golf outing.
[1:04:04] » Just my thoughts.
>> Thank you, Council Durlington. Any other
[1:04:07] questions? I had the same concern about
the date of you never know what October
[1:04:11] 10th is going to look like. It could be.
>> And then what is the threshold to
[1:04:17] actually make this happen? How many
people do you have to have signed up
[1:04:20] before this is a go?
>> Um, it's actually a no lose situation
[1:04:26] for us.
>> Okay.
[1:04:27] » The participants are doing all the cost.
If we have four people show up, we're
[1:04:33] still going to make 100 bucks. All
right. So,
[1:04:36] » well, and that's to Carol's
comment. It's there's a lot and Sarah's
[1:04:42] too. There's a lot that goes into this.
$100 isn't worth the time and money that
[1:04:47] we're putting into this.
>> Well, there's nobody putting any time
[1:04:50] into it except for me. I'm not doing it
on the clock. This is all volunteer. The
[1:04:55] only one that's done anything is myself.
All right. I've gotten some help from
[1:04:59] Terry and and a couple other people,
Tisha, [clears throat] to review what I
[1:05:03] put together. Okay? But none of this is
being charged to the city for employee
[1:05:10] time, right? You guys vote not to have
it, that's fine. That's your decision.
[1:05:15] All right. We have a proposal that Tisha
from the head of the parks commission,
[1:05:21] she's got a breakdown of how many picnic
tables we do need, how many benches we
[1:05:25] do need, what they cost, what we want,
right?
[1:05:30] » That stuff has all been taken care of,
not on the clock for the city. That's
[1:05:34] all volunteer time. Okay? And
>> the same thing here with the golf
[1:05:40] outing. If you guys prove it, we'll go
ahead with it. All right. The 3,200
[1:05:46] bucks is lowballed. All right.
It's not going to make enough money to
[1:05:52] fix the roof on the North Park pavilion,
you know, but it'll put a dent in some
[1:05:56] of the stuff that we really need.
>> So, it's up to you guys. You want to bl
[1:06:00] it down, that's fine. It's no skin off
my nose, right?
[1:06:04] » I I only have one further question based
on what you just said. uh and maybe a
[1:06:08] comment, but one of the questions is I
don't I should know this, please forgive
[1:06:12] me. Uh if you're paid hourly, I don't
think you can legally volunteer your
[1:06:16] time. Uh I'm not an HR expert, but that
seems like something I learned a long
[1:06:20] time ago. Um so it might be something to
consider in the future and talk to the
[1:06:24] your uh your management about. But my
other concern is not just the
[1:06:30] fundraiser, but if the community who who
shows up to golf wants to use those
[1:06:36] picnic tables, they have to pay to get
in the park. I mean, we're not providing
[1:06:38] a service that is, you know, you have to
pay for it. So, it feels like going to
[1:06:43] McDonald's and having them say, "Hey,
can you help us paint the wall?" Like, I
[1:06:46] thought I'd paid already to do this. It
just feels like a delineation. I do
[1:06:50] think I'd like to see the plan. If there
is one, it's great, but we don't have
[1:06:53] that with us. Um, good. Uh, yes,
Kimberly.
[1:06:57] » Um, I just want to say, you know, I've
not been heavily involved in this other
[1:07:01] than being at the parks meetings. Um,
what I I want to have you look at the
[1:07:06] big picture. It's not about the $3,200.
We have a park expansion that's almost
[1:07:10] $3 million. We're in the process of
trying to schedule um some kind of
[1:07:15] showing for I want Fleece and
Vanderbrink to come in because we're 90%
[1:07:20] ready to get going here. Um, I want the
community to be able to see what we're
[1:07:24] going to bring to the community because
I think they've been left out a lot in
[1:07:27] this. Part of that is, um, our parks
budget is very minimal. It's been that
[1:07:33] way for many years. We're all, it's one
of our departments that's in the red. We
[1:07:37] have a group of all new, um,
commissioners that are on our parks
[1:07:41] commission that are gung-ho about trying
to help our parks, putting a lot of
[1:07:47] personal time. We've got two council
members now that um one the chair and
[1:07:51] and one that's been on there for 30 plus
years. They want to work together. So,
[1:07:57] it's not about the money this is going
to bring in. They're you're going to
[1:08:00] have businesses. You're going to have um
a group of people come together to
[1:08:04] support the parks. Uh there's going to
be conversations. A lot of these things
[1:08:08] are done to bring awareness, to bring um
people to our parks that maybe weren't.
[1:08:14] So, I would I just by hearing the
conversation, I would I would just ask
[1:08:18] you to look at that. Um, and I would
like to hear from the two people that
[1:08:21] are on the parks because
um there's several things that they want
[1:08:26] to help to bring things in. We also have
a donor right now that is willing to pay
[1:08:32] 50% of whatever we do as far as they
said park benches. Um, it doesn't even
[1:08:37] need to go for park benches or if it's
it's the idea of bringing people
[1:08:41] together, seeing what we offer and
making it a community event where people
[1:08:47] can enjoy it. It's time for people to
come together because this is my
[1:08:52] personal opinion. We've lost some
community feel over the last few years.
[1:08:55] Um, so that's my two cents.
>> I don't disagree. I just think a golf
[1:08:58] outing needs to pay. I mean, it's a very
specific portion of our community, but
[1:09:02] activities are activities. Yes, please.
She wanted to hear from the two
[1:09:05] companies.
>> Well, I I don't see it as people
[1:09:08] [clears throat] donating. They're out
there for a fun day.
[1:09:11] » The golf tournaments, scrambles,
whatever. They bring people together. I
[1:09:15] mean, you can have other events going
on. I mean, it's not just like, oh, here
[1:09:20] we're just going to give you 100 bucks.
>> But the sponsorships are I mean, it's
[1:09:23] saying to a business, we'll put up your
sign.
[1:09:26] » It's a it's a fun day. They're get, you
know, if they want to sponsor a hole,
[1:09:30] they they will for $100, right? Get
their name out there. they get
[1:09:34] advertisement,
>> you know, and it's, you know, golf
[1:09:37] tournaments are fun,
>> you know,
[1:09:39] » and I can't see, you know, the cost, the
only cost it would be was would be the
[1:09:46] the person that's taking in the money at
city hall, you know, their hourly rate
[1:09:51] or wage or whatever that they have to be
involved in taking the checks.
[1:09:56] » Yeah. Thank you for that. And I think it
would just be a fun a fun thing, a
[1:10:03] community outing.
>> So that's my opinion.
[1:10:08] » That's a lot what we've talked about. We
want to do more things to bring more
[1:10:12] awareness for the park and to be able to
bring more revenue to the park. There's
[1:10:17] a couple other things that are on the
burner
[1:10:20] um about bringing fundraising in. I'm
not going to say anything what it is yet
[1:10:26] because I don't have a definite, but
there's other big events that we've been
[1:10:29] looking at to try to bring in to the
town to help bring revenue to our parks
[1:10:36] because our parks are a beautiful thing.
Our campground, I don't know if anybody
[1:10:40] saw it this weekend, but we look pretty
good this weekend. We actually had a
[1:10:44] bunch of campers in there.
[clears throat]
[1:10:47] » I I I hear two things. I hear fundraiser
and I hear friendraiser, right? That's
[1:10:52] what in my field they call it, right?
So, I like that you are thinking
[1:10:57] fundraiser and it turns into a
fundraiser, but we have in front of us
[1:11:01] fundraiser for the city park and
campground. Um, it's listed as a
[1:11:05] fundraiser. I didn't see the fly. I
didn't look at the flyer closely. Um,
[1:11:08] and that was that's my hesitation is
going to a business and saying, "Can you
[1:11:14] sponsor a hole for $100? Give the city
write the city a check for $100." And
[1:11:18] then, thank you, sir. uh write rate
write the city a check for $100
[1:11:23] and then pay your taxes and if you want
to see the park bench that you helped
[1:11:26] build pay $5 to get in the city uh park.
It's just it's my own personal I don't
[1:11:31] think I'm that's why I'm sharing my
opinion but you are free Linda to share
[1:11:35] or council person excuse me to share
yours. Um if not we can if someone has
[1:11:40] would like to make the motion
[clears throat] uh we can start there
[1:11:43] too.
>> I'd like to comment on it.
[1:11:45] » Um I appreciate all the work you put
into it. Initially,
[1:11:50] when I listened to what the mayor said,
I thought it makes sense that that we
[1:11:56] shouldn't be asking for money. We should
raise fees or whatever we have to do to
[1:11:59] to get things done or grants. But then
after hearing from the parks me
[1:12:04] commission members, I thought about the
fire department had a had a golf outing
[1:12:08] um and
public, not a nonprofit, right? um very
[1:12:14] very well attended and uh been going on
for a lot of years I think.
[1:12:18] » Um probably not a whole lot different
than that other than public safety is
[1:12:22] huge. I mean that's that's huge. Fire
department is is a big deal and it's
[1:12:27] really important that that they operate
but also kind of sad they might need to
[1:12:32] have fundraiser continue operating
because the equipment is so expensive
[1:12:35] and all that. So, in after hearing all
all the input, I I think that it's I
[1:12:40] think it's appropriate and I would
support it.
[1:12:42] » Can a challenge with that with the fire
department just if I if I need the fire
[1:12:46] department, they're not unless it's a
problem. They're not going to charge me,
[1:12:49] right? This is a service run by
volunteers. You know, that's where I
[1:12:53] think the delay, but I agree with you.
Thank you for sharing. I think that
[1:12:56] » the fire department is also publicly
funded which it's kind of like we they
[1:13:00] should have enough money that I think we
>> unfortunately they don't have enough
[1:13:04] money because it's so expensive to
operate a fire department.
[1:13:08] » Um
>> so they end up having to do it on golf
[1:13:10] outing to help support that.
>> We do have a subject matter expert
[1:13:13] » speak on part I'm part of parks
committee. Um,
[1:13:18] our intent for this was to help our
hearts.
[1:13:22] » Mhm.
>> That's all. Um, we all in that
[1:13:27] committee. That's what we want to do.
Um, I mean, one example is the North
[1:13:32] Park. I mean down there it's not and
I've heard people say
[1:13:38] with the pickle ball stuff being down
there and we wanted to maybe put it down
[1:13:43] there. It's undesirable
the North Park
[1:13:47] » to our residents.
So that kind of hit home with me that we
[1:13:53] really need to do something different
and as the budget that we see doesn't
[1:14:01] allow us to do much of anything,
>> right?
[1:14:05] » So
I being on the park committee, I'll be
[1:14:09] working with these folks
and I'll assure you we will have a plan
[1:14:16] of what we want and the budget involved.
In the meantime, because that's a long
[1:14:22] process to go through to try to get
something done as you all know, let's do
[1:14:26] some fundraising. Why not? Let's get a
couple things.
[1:14:32] » We have Thank you, Councilman.
>> Okay. I've been attending parks
[1:14:37] commission meetings and I find that
group of of uh people are really they
[1:14:45] really want to do something. they really
want to do something that shows. And so,
[1:14:50] as Terry said, it's a long process. Some
of these things take take a long time to
[1:14:55] get um to get the ball rolling. And
they've done that. They've said we need
[1:15:01] to start start providing some things for
the park as little as benches or um
[1:15:10] replace the picnic tables. And they
really are committed to doing this. So,
[1:15:14] I've heard all their discussions and I
know they they're they really want to do
[1:15:19] something for the community and in
addition [clears throat] to what we
[1:15:24] already provide and that's the way I see
it. It's in addition to what we already
[1:15:28] provide. So,
>> is that in the way of a motion?
[1:15:31] » I'd like to make a motion to support the
fundraiser then.
[1:15:34] » Yes. Is there support to that motion?
I'll support.
[1:15:37] » Okay. We have a motion to support for
this fundraiser. We've had great
[1:15:40] discussion. Uh any more discussion?
Would anyone like to register their
[1:15:44] opinion?
>> Would you do a roll call vote for this
[1:15:47] one?
>> Um, Jamie Anley,
[1:15:49] » yes.
>> Chrissy Gutierrez,
[1:15:51] » yes.
>> Dad Plant,
[1:15:52] » yes.
>> Michael Smith,
[1:15:53] » yes.
>> And yes.
[1:15:54] » Dave Crawford,
>> yes.
[1:15:56] » Carol Dington,
>> yes.
[1:15:58] » Thank you. All right. Approval for MML
conference attendance. Uh, we have
[1:16:02] council person Gutterius, Council Es,
and Council President Flatt going.
[1:16:06] » I'm going.
>> No, I never asked it.
[1:16:10] » No,
>> we have attendance for Well, I wanted to
[1:16:13] know the dates when we were talking
about it, but I can apologize.
[1:16:17] » No, it's okay. But I cannot go. I did
that.
[1:16:19] » Okay. Okay. Uh I think as we all have
talked about for training is never a bad
[1:16:24] thing. Um
>> would someone uh make the uh motion to
[1:16:28] approve the conference attendance for
council person and council person?
[1:16:33] » I'll make that motion.
>> Thank you. Is there support? Thank you.
[1:16:36] » Can I just say something about
Absolutely.
[1:16:38] » I I totally support this. Don't get all
nervous folks. Um, but why does MML put
[1:16:45] this conference on
less than a month before the new people
[1:16:51] are sitted in seated in the se
>> seated in the seats? There we go. That's
[1:16:57] what I was trying to get out. Why is it
not a month after or at the end of
[1:17:01] October when those new people who need
some additional training and exposure to
[1:17:08] other council people,
>> you know what I'm saying?
[1:17:11] » End of November.
>> It's always Thanksgiving and then
[1:17:15] Christmas.
>> I I went to both the spring and the
[1:17:19] fall. And the fall is more it's more for
season people. you go to certain things
[1:17:25] that might be what your community is
dealing with now. The spring conference
[1:17:29] is more of and Christy went to both too,
so she could probably add to this. Um
[1:17:34] it's more training, more things like
this. The fall conference is is the
[1:17:39] annual conference and it it does a lot
of um you see projects in communities,
[1:17:44] you see, you know, ways that you can
implement different things where it's
[1:17:49] more classroom in the spring and you
went too. So would [clears throat] you
[1:17:52] guys agree to that? I must have went to
the spring one because it was all
[1:17:55] classroom.
>> The spring one I feel like was on a
[1:17:59] specific thing that we just sat and
learned about or over for two days or
[1:18:03] whatever.
>> The conference in the fall though, I
[1:18:06] feel like this would be [clears throat]
my this is my hope that someday all of
[1:18:09] council will go
>> that all of us attend. And because when
[1:18:13] you're doing the conference, there's
more than one class happening all at the
[1:18:16] same time.
>> Right. Right.
[1:18:18] » So like the one year it was just uh me
and John.
[1:18:22] » Yeah. It was me and John. So, I could go
to this and he could go to that. But it
[1:18:26] would it would be nice to have all of
council go because there is such a
[1:18:30] wealth of information. Um, and it is a
lot like what Kim said. Um, other
[1:18:34] communities they highlight what other
communities have done through grant
[1:18:38] processes or whatever it might be and
how they how they overcame projects or
[1:18:43] you know things that caused issues, how
they overcame that. There's always um
[1:18:47] law type stuff. There's always legit
legislative type stuff. Um, and then
[1:18:52] community projects and it it's just a
really good informative thing.
[1:18:56] » I'm actually sad I can't go this year,
but it just isn't going to work.
[1:18:59] » So, my question is we've already
come at it three spots.
[1:19:04] » We're okay.
>> If not, can we just approve that three
[1:19:09] people to go and if someone else can
step in?
[1:19:12] » Have we already paid?
>> No.
[1:19:14] » Then we can just approve these.
>> All right. Okay.
[1:19:16] » Good question. All right. Thank you for
that explanation. Uh, any further
[1:19:20] questions or comments? All in favor of
approving this training for council
[1:19:24] personas and no e line and flatt.
>> Can I make Oh, I'm so sorry.
[1:19:31] » I do like her idea because if one of
them don't end up being able to follow
[1:19:35] through,
>> you just want to put number on there.
[1:19:36] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. That somebody else says I can't or
[1:19:40] Deb says I can't in the end.
>> You know what I mean? Been asked for.
[1:19:45] » Just going to throw that out there.
>> But instead of the Yeah. I I make a
[1:19:48] motion that we approve two um council
members attending the fall conference.
[1:19:56] » Okay. Would you appate would you update
your motion, Tisha, to remove the names
[1:20:00] and just put two people?
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:20:03] » And Mike, you approve that?
>> Yep.
[1:20:05] » Okay.
>> Does that feel more comfortable?
[1:20:07] » Yeah.
>> Okay. So, the uh approval would be for
[1:20:10] two council folks to approve or to
attend the MML conference.
[1:20:15] » Great. Any further questions or
comments? [clears throat]
[1:20:19] All in favor, please motion by saying I.
>> I. I.
[1:20:22] » All oppose, please say nay. Thank you.
Next, we have the approval of waste
[1:20:28] water treatment plant emergency
preparedness. In front of us, we have a
[1:20:32] couple of things. You did see the $9,70
already on the warrants from Alward uh
[1:20:39] electric. And then additionally, they
are not on your warrants, but they will
[1:20:44] be in a future warrant. They're on a
future warrant, right?
[1:20:48] » Is 31,000 for SCADA and 152071
for Sunb Belt.
[1:20:55] » Does anyone have any questions?
>> Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Is this
[1:21:01] money is coming in from insurance?
>> Yes. This is all the emergency purchases
[1:21:06] that we had to do according to Eagle.
All of this we eventual will be covered
[1:21:10] including overtime wages insurance.
>> Mara is waiting for
[1:21:18] No, that's fine. If you guys have
something that's fine, but I just can't
[1:21:21] hear.
>> Let Kimberly finish first.
[1:21:23] » Um Maretta is waiting for a call back. I
don't think we got one today from the
[1:21:26] insurance company, right? Um but we're
thinking like
[1:21:30] » Why don't you say what? I just got an
email from Shannon Davis, which is our
[1:21:34] Melebrook claims uh representative on
Thursday last week, and she did say that
[1:21:39] the adjuster, independent adjuster, has
advised that the engineer preliminary
[1:21:43] determination for the damages definitely
was caused by lightning, but um they're
[1:21:47] wrapping up. So, we should be getting
something soon.
[1:21:49] [clears throat and snorts] So, we wanted
all to make sure all these even though
[1:21:52] they're these ones, some of them are on
the warrants and some of them were not,
[1:21:56] we put them all in the packet to get
approved to pay
[1:21:59] » so we could pay the people.
And I'm sorry, Sarah. The thing I was I
[1:22:04] was confused about because you said like
a thousand on dollars on this and I'm
[1:22:07] like, where is she getting these
numbers?
[1:22:09] » I gave it in front of me.
>> Did you Everybody did not have that.
[1:22:16] Those were not the
>> number.
[1:22:20] I'm sorry.
>> So, uh, according to the the thing I
[1:22:22] have just is it added them all up. So,
um, again, it was STA for $31,759.
[1:22:29] That's not That's plus this amount. This
is SCADA. It doesn't say it here, but
[1:22:33] it's USI. She's got additional invoices
we included in here.
[1:22:39] Yeah,
you can see like this one's approved
[1:22:42] already, but the extra SCADA ones,
>> these ones,
[1:22:47] » there's five of them in here. Two, three
of them were not approved. You can see
[1:22:50] there's no approval on them, but we
wanted them included in the packet so we
[1:22:55] could pay them if the adjuster comes
says yes, they can be paid.
[1:22:59] » Okay. All right.
>> Good questions. Any other questions?
[1:23:02] » My only question is what is our and
probably not during emergency, but what
[1:23:06] is the cap where you have to go out for
bid?
[1:23:11] » Um, [clears throat]
[1:23:13] I don't even know what
>> 20
[1:23:15] » 20,000.
>> No, it's 27 or 28,000.
[1:23:18] » Okay. I thought I saw something that
said 20.
[1:23:20] » And is that in one or two, you know, is
that like one company, one time? Um
[1:23:24] because I see this gate is 31. I mean,
this is an emergency. I'm assuming the
[1:23:27] policy states that during emergency are
allowed to go outside.
[1:23:30] » That's a specialized company that we
that that would be under specialized too
[1:23:34] because we don't have a bunch of pump
companies or um that's three different
[1:23:38] pumps that we had to have. One was the
very first day and we couldn't even
[1:23:42] function if we didn't have it.
>> Okay.
[1:23:44] » So,
>> so 27,000 and because this is
[1:23:46] specialized, we wouldn't even go up for
bid. Well, and this is an emergency. So,
[1:23:49] these are mandated basically by Eagle.
>> Yeah,
[1:23:53] » that's why I had asked if in an
emergency I think you have authorization
[1:23:56] beyond 27,000. But
>> anything that wasn't if it was an
[1:23:59] emergency, we would have brought it to
council.
[1:24:02] » Are there any questions or comments?
>> Hearing none. All in favor of approving
[1:24:08] the wastewater treatment emergency
purchases, please motion by saying I.
[1:24:14] » All oppose, please say nay.
>> Thank you. Next, Kimberly, you want to
[1:24:18] talk to us about the police and
Vanderink contract?
[1:24:21] » Um, well, that is also in U.
Oh, wait. Oh, okay. Yep. I saw it there.
[1:24:28] » The motion support for that one.
>> No,
[1:24:33] » we didn't motion or support on the
wastewater treatment.
[1:24:36] » We just So, can I try again?
>> Oh, we didn't do a motion on it.
[1:24:40] » Yes.
>> Can we try that again? Would someone
[1:24:42] [laughter] make a motion to approve?
Thank you. Is there a support right
[1:24:45] here? Thank you both and thank you so
very much to our clerk for keeping our
[1:24:50] mayor focused. All right. Now we have a
motion. We have a support to approve
[1:24:55] wastewater treatment emergency purchases
in the amount of I'm not going to go
[1:24:59] through the amount again. Uh any now any
questions or comments?
[1:25:04] » Great. All in favor please motion by
saying
[1:25:06] » I
please say nay.
[1:25:09] » And this is where everyone first watched
Sarah turn bright red. I'm so sorry.
[1:25:12] Please forgive me.
>> No thank you going on there.
[1:25:15] » All right. And now let's go on to the
fleece and vanderate contract. Right.
[1:25:18] » Okay.
>> Okay. What you have in your um fleece
[1:25:21] and vandere is our wastewater engineer,
but because this was a specialized
[1:25:25] services, this was a requirement by by
eagle that we bring in an engineer.
[1:25:29] They've already participated in a lot of
our wastewater treatment. Um they are
[1:25:34] charging a dollar break which I believe
Mike is the one. Um and it's the 174.
[1:25:42] Uh I did discuss this with him. It's the
174 project manager price and he's
[1:25:48] basically charging by the hour and if we
do any of the other things and it's like
[1:25:53] an addendum to what their
[clears throat]
[1:25:55] » um where she contract is. It's on well
there's no pages in here so it's under
[1:26:00] the police and vanderint contract. It's
on page four probably.
[1:26:05] [clears throat]
Um, does is that covered by the
[1:26:07] insurance too if we are um the email
back?
[1:26:11] » I think there's a certain portion that
will be. I don't know if it all will be
[1:26:14] because they are our engineer.
>> So, um, that's one of the questions that
[1:26:18] we're going to find out once we get a
hold of the insurance adjuster. Um, but
[1:26:25] again, we had no way around us. It was a
requirement by Eagle. We had to bring
[1:26:30] them in. they came in at the last hour
um to help because part 41 is a big ego
[1:26:37] requirement pertaining to our permitting
and um because we didn't have an
[1:26:41] operator in charge and then we got an
operator in charge. Um it's very
[1:26:46] important that we have an engineer on
this process. So
[1:26:49] » does anyone have any other questions?
>> Can you show me in here just where that
[1:26:53] where you're getting that
>> project manager?
[1:26:56] » Cuz Mike is a project manager. His rate
is
[1:26:58] » at these 174. Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:27:01] » I was like, I'm confused.
>> Thank you. Any other questions?
[1:27:05] » Do we have We don't have a motion yet.
>> Okay. We need a motion.
[1:27:10] » I'll make a motion.
>> Uh well, one of you support.
[1:27:14] » Thank you. We have a motion from council
person and support for council person
[1:27:20] to approve the fleece and vanderbrink
contract. Um any further questions,
[1:27:26] comments or concerns?
>> Hearing none. All in favor, please
[1:27:29] motion by saying I.
>> I.
[1:27:31] » All oppose, please say nay.
All right. North Park Pavilion roof
[1:27:36] replacement. This has been a discussion
for before when I before I was mayor.
[1:27:40] Um, we've been talking about this for a
while. Uh, we have some information.
[1:27:44] Looks like the recommendation is to
approve the bid from Barnes Construction
[1:27:47] for 18,422.
The bid includes shingles, OSB boards
[1:27:51] for repair, gutters, sopet, and fascia.
Any questions or comments?
[1:27:58] Well, we've known for I've been mayor
for four years and we knew long before I
[1:28:02] was here that it needed to be done.
>> Why was that the suggestion suggestion?
[1:28:06] I'm just curious. Is that different than
[1:28:11] » Well, two different things
>> because we don't know for sure. They'll
[1:28:14] charge extra for the replacement if it's
an additional $3.
[1:28:24] Okay.
>> Did you get your question answered?
[1:28:25] » Yes, I did. Thank you very much.
>> I just had a question on the usage of
[1:28:29] the building. Yeah.
>> Are we are we using the building? And
[1:28:31] maybe Kisha could answer since you're on
the parks. Are we using that building?
[1:28:37] » It's unusable right now. That's a hole
in the I mean there is a bull.
[1:28:42] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:28:43] » There's also internal stuff that has to
be taken care of.
[1:28:45] » So that was my question
whether or not we're going to sink money
[1:28:51] to this building or whether we're going
to whether we should just demo it. It's
[1:28:54] been a lot of discussion regarding
the building. We originally thought that
[1:29:00] we could get some grant money through
another CDBG. We got turned down for
[1:29:04] that because we had two other CDBG in
the same DR category. Um, so this was
[1:29:10] promised to the park last year because
it didn't make the capital improvement.
[1:29:16] This will be coming out of the general
fund because it did not make correct
[1:29:20] because it did not make the capital
improvement project.
[1:29:24] a budget amendment because it was not in
the budget.
[1:29:27] » So, this is extra money in addition to
what the budget is, but last year it was
[1:29:32] supposed to make it into capital
improvement. It didn't get in there
[1:29:34] because it it had already been approved
by the time like right the next week
[1:29:38] afterwards. Um, didn't do it last year
because we thought we were going to get
[1:29:42] the grant. We didn't get the grant. So,
um, it's gotten increasingly worse.
[1:29:47] We're going to fix the outside and then
worry about the inside. So, this will be
[1:29:51] additional amendment put into My
question is
[1:29:55] » so cost
>> are we going to use the building?
[1:29:57] » Yes. The hope is to
>> if we're going to use it because we're
[1:30:01] putting 18,000 in your roof.
>> I've heard a lot we had a lot of
[1:30:05] discussion previous even before you you
started.
[1:30:08] » Oh, I've discussed it with them several
times.
[1:30:10] » We had a lot of discussion about it was
built as a heat a warming shed. It's
[1:30:15] really not built to be useful.
So, I just want to make sure we're not
[1:30:20] just throwing
>> I threw that same stuff out there many
[1:30:23] times. I said, "What is our purpose for
this?" Because if we put $40,000 into
[1:30:27] this, are we going to get use out of it
to where it's significant rather than
[1:30:32] just sat there empty? Um, they've pushed
back extremely. Am I wrong? Um, yes,
[1:30:38] that this is they're they're going to
center that around some other things
[1:30:41] that are coming up in the park.
>> Okay. I just don't want to throw a roof
[1:30:44] on the building that's just going to sit
there and
[1:30:49] Okay.
>> Any other questions?
[1:30:50] » Yep. That's been my concern, too, that
because it hasn't been utilized to the
[1:30:56] max in the in the uh past and we've had
several several uses or several groups
[1:31:04] that tried to use it and it just doesn't
it just doesn't work out for whatever
[1:31:08] reason. And I'm concerned too about
putting that kind of money into it
[1:31:12] because again, it was not built as a
permanent structure. And I wish we'd
[1:31:18] have gotten the grant because that grant
would have taken care of everything. It
[1:31:22] would have given us a new pavilion and
then we wouldn't have had to worry about
[1:31:25] this. But didn't happen. So, um I
understand wanting to wanting to do this
[1:31:31] to to give it some immediate use, but I
still think it's too much money to put
[1:31:36] into that building. Is there still a
furnace in there? Hot water tank.
[1:31:41] » I think so. It's heated all winter. Is
it winterized in the winter?
[1:31:45] » The water's not turned on, just the
electricity. So there's
[1:31:48] » there's nothing to freeze, you know,
basically.
[1:31:52] » I miss the beginning of this talking
about you know the furnace works.
[1:31:57] » To my knowledge, it worked in the past.
I don't know why it wouldn't.
[1:32:01] » When was the last time it was turned on?
Do you know?
[1:32:02] » I do not know.
>> Was it when our American Legion left?
[1:32:06] Probably. And they left three.
>> I'm not that I'm newer to the
[1:32:10] » They left one before me. Yeah. Okay.
Thank you.
[1:32:12] » Question. I'm sorry.
>> When was the last time it was even
[1:32:15] turned on the heater? I mean, when was
the last time the building was entered
[1:32:17] for use rather than just inspection?
>> Yeah. It was American.
[1:32:20] » Yeah. So, that was years ago.
>> Couple years.
[1:32:24] » I just kind of want to run a parallel
here. We had a parks fundraiser and
[1:32:29] said, "Why don't we just spend the money
to get what we need?" Um, some of you
[1:32:34] have come to the parks meeting, some of
you haven't. I wasn't here before. I I
[1:32:38] want to express this. We have a parks
commission that want to grow our parks,
[1:32:44] want to grow our people that are
attending. Um, there is ideas to not
[1:32:51] make it non-desirable in North Park.
Just because one grant didn't come
[1:32:55] through doesn't mean we can't apply for
other grants. Um,
[1:33:00] this is just what I want to say as a
city manager that goes to these park
[1:33:03] meetings and also as a is coming to the
council at the table. I think it's very
[1:33:07] important that you have is it three
people, four people that attend park,
[1:33:13] five people, six people that attend park
meetings in here. Um,
[1:33:20] the previous item, you know, you stated
why you didn't think that we should do a
[1:33:25] fundraiser. Why can't we just put it in
the budget? They've been asking for this
[1:33:28] for two years. They want to build other
things and other the we want to put some
[1:33:33] pickle ball courts out there. We're
looking at that. Um to me, the the
[1:33:38] reason I've pushed back so hard on this
was the same reason that you had. We're
[1:33:42] putting a lot of money into this. From
what I heard before, it wasn't used a
[1:33:46] lot. How are we going to use it? Are we
going to use it for different things
[1:33:49] than we used it from before? I' I've
I've killed it to death on this. Um I
[1:33:55] support this. And the reason I support
this is because there is a vision to
[1:33:59] have many more activities in the future
in the parks. And I think if council
[1:34:05] doesn't approve it, that's completely up
to you. But you are going to see another
[1:34:10] parks commission that just turned over
and not feel like we're supporting the
[1:34:14] parks moving forward. Um that doesn't
mean that you have to approve this. That
[1:34:20] that's not how I feel. But if we want to
see growth and we want to see things
[1:34:24] happen, it's got to start somewhere. And
I think this is something that they have
[1:34:28] put as their priority and you have a
commission and I'm a firm believer if
[1:34:33] you you have a commission of volunteers
that come together and they have pushed
[1:34:37] really hard and I have pushed back and
I'm going to support this um because I
[1:34:42] think it is their priority and what they
felt was number one on their list.
[1:34:47] » So our [clears throat] administrator
supports it, but we need to know what
[1:34:48] council wants to do. Um, I've heard from
a couple. Yes, I've heard a couple. Not
[1:34:54] maybe not.
>> I'm all for it. We have been after this
[1:34:57] for she said a couple of years now.
>> Building things just sitting there
[1:35:01] getting worse and worse and we could be
utilizing it if it had new roof fixer
[1:35:06] upper [clears throat] stuff going on. We
could do a lot of things down there and
[1:35:10] we plan on doing a lot of things down
there. So,
[1:35:13] » is that in the form of a motion?
>> I will make that motion.
[1:35:17] » I'll support it.
>> Thank you. We have a motion and support.
[1:35:19] had a question on the I'm assuming that
of our bids Barnes is our old bid then
[1:35:24] or
>> Okay. So, I want to explain that to you
[1:35:26] because we had a lot of discussion about
that. I wanted I I don't know if you did
[1:35:30] any more research on that or not as far
as apples to apples bids because the
[1:35:34] bids were not apples to apples.
>> Okay.
[1:35:37] » The 13 because I said we are
municipality. We have to take the lowest
[1:35:41] bid. If we do not take the lowest bid,
we have to justify why we're not taking
[1:35:44] the lowest bid. There were two things.
There wasn't patient sappa that I
[1:35:48] believe was on the 13,000.
>> Um and then there was also addition
[1:35:54] » um OSV which I even pushed back on that
and said you know how much are we
[1:35:59] talking $500, $5,000 whatever. Um,
so as far as that goes, I don't know if
[1:36:07] you've Yeah, cuz this one here, um, the
right way rope one because there's going
[1:36:14] to try to use existing materials. If you
went up for the gutters and the fascia,
[1:36:18] if you go up there, there's no way of
using what we have a lot of it. So
[1:36:23] you're looking, you know, they say this
much, but um but you know, if they use
[1:36:28] any, you know, have to purchase anything
else, that's going to be more on the
[1:36:32] final cost. So you're looking at this
one here of being a lot more than what
[1:36:37] it sets.
>> Okay. All right. And I know Barnes has a
[1:36:40] very good reputation. They did the Brook
here in Gladwin. I think they did West
[1:36:44] Branches.
>> And I He's semi-retired right now, too,
[1:36:46] I think. So
>> he's got a lot does a lot of work.
[1:36:49] » Does a lot of roofing.
>> Yeah. Now, so he did this he did this
[1:36:52] price for us last year. This
>> he held the price for a year.
[1:36:56] » This was a year ago's price and he's
willing to honor this price. M you
[1:37:02] » thinking that materials are more
expensive than last year, but we have
[1:37:07] multiple conversations going and that is
really quite inappropriate
[1:37:11] » question.
>> Yes. Thank you.
[1:37:12] » Where's the original bid from Rightway?
>> That's what mine says.
[1:37:16] » There's two of them.
>> Oh, there's another one.
[1:37:20] Oh, it's where
>> things you've already accepted a motion.
[1:37:26] » Yeah, we can have
>> we can have
[1:37:30] I see two channels. I didn't understand
why there were two.
[1:37:36] » One is for fashion
like it looks
[1:37:41] » because they weren't I got to go back
and get
[1:37:45] » and that building would not been
desirable. I I would like to know uh
[1:37:51] Deb, maybe you can help with this or
anybody on purchase commission really.
[1:37:55] What are the plans for this building?
Because as long as I've been here, that
[1:37:59] building has been not used at all for
anything really except for by the
[1:38:04] American Legion,
>> right?
[1:38:06] » Nobody nobody pushed it. Nobody I mean
it wasn't like out there saying, "Okay,
[1:38:10] this is for [clears throat] we can have
parties have parties there." And there's
[1:38:14] all kinds of things. Once the roof gets
on there, they plan on doing like maybe
[1:38:18] pickle ball for people, you can do like
even basketball.
[1:38:22] » How does the building have anything to
do with pickle ball? They play pickle
[1:38:25] ball, don't there?
>> Well, they they would have like
[1:38:31] » But I mean, you can't just just leave
that set there and
[1:38:37] » Okay. But what is my my Can can you
answer what is the plan to what kind of
[1:38:41] things?
>> Um, well, it used to be an ice rink.
[1:38:44] Yeah, I know. We all know that.
>> It was a warming station.
[1:38:47] » Okay. And this past winter, we had an
ice rink built down in the north park
[1:38:55] » with a shed. Well, now I think this
would be an appropriate place
[1:39:00] » to have an ice rink, a warming house, a
place for, you know, hot chocolate and,
[1:39:05] you know,
>> it' be a nice little place to have a an
[1:39:08] ice rink in there. There's lights for my
set up at night time.
[1:39:14] Um so that's just one thing. Um maybe uh
you know we're looking at a lot of
[1:39:20] different things actually. Um we have
the disc golf course down there.
[1:39:27] » Do we hold you know some tournament down
there
[1:39:30] city tournaments that
>> we could you know that would be a place
[1:39:35] to
to have it set up for tournaments. Wow.
[1:39:40] » Mhm.
>> When you say basketball, are you guys
[1:39:43] are are are we going are we taking the
parking lot and trying to move it back
[1:39:47] into more of a facility like the pickle
ball basketball? Is where does where
[1:39:53] does that go? Go ahead.
>> One of our members just showed up at a
[1:39:56] meeting. We had a meeting over there at
the North Park. Uh what was that lady's
[1:40:01] name?
>> Deb Ferrell.
[1:40:03] » Pardon?
>> De Ferrell.
[1:40:04] » De Frell.
>> Oh, yeah.
[1:40:05] » Deerrell. She went out and she contacted
the administrator for Gus Macker three
[1:40:11] on three basketball tournaments.
>> All right. And she got the fire started.
[1:40:17] Okay. I don't know if any of your
children or you participated when you
[1:40:21] were younger in a custom macker
tournament. Yeah.
[1:40:23] » But they bring in their own courts. We
got enough room. They set up their own
[1:40:26] courts. They got the cement slab there.
All right. And that's one of the
[1:40:31] activities where if we get that to
happen in Gladwood, it'll be a yearly
[1:40:37] event.
>> And that'll draw in people from
[1:40:40] 200, 300 miles away.
>> All right. Plus local teams. They have
[1:40:45] threeon-ree tournaments from 8 years old
to 30 or something.
[1:40:49] » Yep, I know what it is.
>> I'm just one that's one activity we
[1:40:53] talked about and you can run it out for
family reunions and birthday parties.
[1:40:59] Current pavilion typically rented out
every weekend of the summer.
[1:41:04] » Is the current pavilion rented out 75%
of weekends? Every weekend?
[1:41:07] » Which pavilion?
>> The big pavilion in our city park like
[1:41:10] one
>> in our city park. We turn away people to
[1:41:13] rent pavilions on Saturdays for some
reason
[1:41:15] » throughout the whole summer.
>> Throughout the whole summer.
[1:41:18] » Okay.
>> Not only that,
[1:41:19] » I think that was the way
>> they got we have the pavilion rented out
[1:41:22] probably
most of next summer already. That's
[1:41:26] great because when we before we did
this, I don't know if any of you
[1:41:29] remember, they think they only rented it
one or two times a year for the decade
[1:41:33] before the American Legion took it over.
So that I think that's why why you're
[1:41:37] hearing concern is that
>> it was not used even before the American
[1:41:40] Legion was there. But thank you for
sharing that.
[1:41:44] » Yeah,
>> the the rope is the start with the sopet
[1:41:48] fascia and the eaves.
>> Yes,
[1:41:50] » it was a what else needs to be done to
this building before it's rented again?
[1:41:55] basically the inside of the building
from the hole in the roof. All right.
[1:41:59] And the water dripping in there. The
restroom, there's only got one restroom
[1:42:03] in there. All right. And the drywall on
the west wall of that restroom is full
[1:42:10] of black mold. So the drywall would have
to be taken out.
[1:42:14] » And that doesn't include in this quote.
This is just the roof. So there's more
[1:42:18] work. So this is a snowball.
Well, basically the rest of the work on
[1:42:22] the inside, if you don't want to make it
look like a a banquet center, all right,
[1:42:28] we can use the existing carpeting and
the drywall can be done by
[1:42:32] » if there's a hole in the roof. Isn't the
carpeting ruined? Black mold water over
[1:42:37] the bathroom.
>> Just in the bathroom.
[1:42:39] » That's it right now.
>> That we know [clears throat] now,
[1:42:41] » right?
>> But if we let that thing sit another
[1:42:44] winter,
>> the snow should be
[1:42:46] » the building will be condemned. It
should be a dis decision on either.
[1:42:49] » I feel like it's a cart before the
horse. We should have had a little bit
[1:42:52] more information before just approving a
bid.
[1:42:55] » Well, and it sounds like parks got a lot
of the information,
[1:42:57] » right? But we didn't.
>> All right. Are there any other
[1:42:59] questions, comments, or concerns?
[1:43:04] » I know.
Definitely.
[1:43:07] » Somebody else had wanted to do a
cornhole turnup there.
[1:43:11] » So, I think there are some
possibilities.
[1:43:13] » I think so.
>> Do we have a motion?
[1:43:15] » We do have a motion. We have support. We
just had some discussion. Any further
[1:43:18] questions, comments, or [clears throat]
concerns?
[1:43:21] » Okay. All in favor of approving the roof
replacement for the North Park Pavilion,
[1:43:26] please motion by saying I.
>> I.
[1:43:29] » All oppose, please say nay.
>> Nay.
[1:43:31] » Thank you. Updated police policies.
Chief Binger, would you like to talk to
[1:43:36] us about the many pages that we've got
from your policy? I couldn't
[1:43:42] » Yeah, I don't have it, but I do have
questions after it gets done.
[1:43:44] » Yeah. Uh so the we just had a lean audit
which is any department that has CGI CGI
[1:43:53] is criminal justice information uh on a
three-year basis gets audited by the
[1:43:57] state of Michigan. um we have policies.
So some of the policies that you see we
[1:44:03] already have cop we already have uh the
policies in place. However these are
[1:44:08] updated and then obviously with the
changes in three years um with cyber and
[1:44:14] everything else most of these are
related to
[1:44:18] IT infrastructure
for the department what we have to have.
[1:44:22] Uh so these policies are straight from
the state of Michigan website that uh
[1:44:27] basically these are the policies that
the state of Michigan suggests that you
[1:44:30] have or not even suggest they say that
you will have. Um so that's where I got
[1:44:34] all those policies those policies have
been shared with Net Express our current
[1:44:37] IT provider um so that they can make any
changes to our infrastructure that they
[1:44:43] that the policies um deem and they are
currently either working on that or
[1:44:48] making plans to work on that.
>> Okay. Um, is there attorney reviewed
[1:44:53] these policies and procedures?
[1:44:59] » That's a question for you, Kim.
>> Well, no. I mean,
[1:45:02] » you didn't say that they needed attorney
reviewed.
[1:45:05] » No, I'm That's why I'm curious.
>> Like, that's would be in my mind. Step
[1:45:08] two, policy. Go to a lawyer. Um, that
was my only question. Uh, there is a lot
[1:45:13] to be honest. I didn't get through 10
pages. I'm like, this is hurting my
[1:45:17] eyes. And none of it
>> there is a lot. Especially if because a
[1:45:20] lot of it is it wording
>> hard to read.
[1:45:23] » So yes,
>> right. And this comes from the state.
[1:45:25] » This comes straight from the state of
Michigan.
[1:45:27] » Yes. And their attorneys are
>> Yeah. They would they would not put it
[1:45:30] out. It was sample um sample policies
that are out on the Michigan state
[1:45:34] website for criminal justice information
[clears throat] agencies.
[1:45:41] » That's what No, that that was my point.
My point is they've already been vetted.
[1:45:45] They've already been posted. And so
We are now just adopting them as our
[1:45:52] current and bringing some things up to
speed.
[1:45:55] » The one thing I didn't say is that all
these policies that were on there, their
[1:45:58] their revision or their update dates was
2026. So these are these are the
[1:46:04] [clears throat] newest version of the
policies.
[1:46:06] » That's good to know. Any other questions
for our chief?
[1:46:08] » I So I I'm I'm going to say the same
thing that you did, Sarah, about reading
[1:46:12] this. I read it and I was like, what in
the world? But what I kept coming back
[1:46:16] to is like the account management. It's
saying that [clears throat]
[1:46:22] like establish conditions for group
enroll membership. Okay, what what are
[1:46:26] you going to do to establish that? Every
time I was reading something, I'm like,
[1:46:29] okay, but it's just saying that this is
what it's like this is the position and
[1:46:34] this is what you need to be doing, but
what are you going to do to do that is
[1:46:37] what I you don't have to answer all that
because there's like a gazillion of
[1:46:39] those questions. A lot of that goes to
Net Express, honestly, and stuff that
[1:46:42] they've probably either already been
doing. Uh, most of this information
[1:46:46] comes from NIST, which is uh they give
cyber security um updates and all that
[1:46:51] stuff. So, this could some of this stuff
we already have in place with our
[1:46:56] current network, but this gives Net
Express what needs to be done if it
[1:46:59] currently is not.
>> So, you're going to actually go through
[1:47:02] and like
create, enable, modify, disable, remove
[1:47:07] information systems, accounts, and blah
blah. That's actually the these are the
[1:47:10] things steps you're going to take each
>> correct and usually that one probably
[1:47:13] had a time frame usually like what that
means is so if somebody leaves the
[1:47:18] department that probably gives us I
can't remember the exact date but it's
[1:47:22] usually a set number of hours for almost
immediately they will be the access to
[1:47:26] that system will be will
>> yeah okay
[1:47:30] » and that's why it was so important that
we get with Net Express to see if
[1:47:33] there's anything that they could not do
which they have not informed they've had
[1:47:36] these policies for a while
[clears throat] uh and reviewed them and
[1:47:39] they have not came to me and said that
there's nothing that we can't do with
[1:47:42] this
>> and they have to be mean certified too
[1:47:45] they can't work on
>> yes
[1:47:46] » yes so they're certified by the state
>> I my I would entertain a motion to
[1:47:52] approve the updated police policies
provided by our chief I'll support it
[1:47:57] » okay we have a motion and
[clears throat] a support any further
[1:48:00] questions comments thank you for doing
this if you had to read every word of
[1:48:03] this God bless you um I have read policy
I like policy this I like
[1:48:09] » I read through it and like I like as I
said if you're not and if you don't
[1:48:13] understand IT jargon and it's it it's a
lot.
[1:48:18] » Thank you for bringing us. Any further
questions or comments hearing? None. All
[1:48:22] in favor of approving the updated police
policies, please motion by saying I.
[1:48:26] » I.
>> All oppose, please say nay.
[1:48:29] » Thank you. Kimberly household ward.
>> Yeah, you're you're up for the waste
[1:48:35] day. Okay. So the 19th is the hazard
waste day. We've got everything in
[1:48:39] place. Council approved a new fee
schedule. We've had all but two
[1:48:44] communities commit. Um I took it to the
county board today and um they will
[1:48:49] probably be hopefully putting on their
next agenda to contribute. We just got
[1:48:54] all the information back. Um there's a
couple questions. Tires, we've decided
[1:49:00] that we're only going to take four
because it's not commercial. I did have
[1:49:04] one community reach out and say that
they wanted to know um because they have
[1:49:12] some elderly people that are ADA and
they've done some blight cleanup and
[1:49:18] they wanted to bring the tires over. So
I said that I would bring it to council,
[1:49:22] ask if we could establish some different
kind of price policy whether we would
[1:49:28] take them, whether we wouldn't. I know
Marriott has reached out. Did you get a
[1:49:31] response?
>> Yes, I did. Um, last year I can tell you
[1:49:33] that the tires were 350 per tire for
everyone that came in. Um, Austin from
[1:49:38] Myers for Tires said that number is now
$6 a tire.
[1:49:42] » So, it's almost not quite doubled. Um,
for the bigger tires like your semi is
[1:49:46] now $20 a tire.
>> We don't take those.
[1:49:49] » And then we do not take tractor, but he
said if somebody was to take them, it
[1:49:52] would be $30 to $40.
>> We don't take them. We don't want our
[1:49:56] guys to stack them
>> and load them.
[1:49:59] » It [clears throat] does. It is supposed
to be a residential household,
[1:50:02] » right?
>> So, we have two questions. Is that what
[1:50:04] you're asking? First is what do we do
with tires? Are we going to charge
[1:50:07] someone brings more than four?
>> Uh, and second, the two communities that
[1:50:11] don't participate, how are we going to
handle that? Um, you know, there was a
[1:50:16] something buddy put out something today
that I didn't think of. Could if their
[1:50:20] community doesn't participate, could we
charge like a flat fee for them to drop
[1:50:24] their stuff off and if they decided to,
they could or not? Um,
[1:50:28] » do we know which townships aren't
participating?
[1:50:32] » Um, we have hay that I haven't got a
response from and um, Sherman, but
[1:50:36] Sherman said they didn't they postponed
it at their last meeting in August. So,
[1:50:40] it goes back to the township on um,
September 14th, which is next this
[1:50:44] coming Monday. So, they wouldn't know
till then. So, they may be
[1:50:48] participating. We just don't and they
participated in the
[1:50:51] » always participated
>> and the community or the the
[1:50:54] commissioners are going to talk to the
>> I'm sure that they I would think they
[1:50:58] » I would say even if they don't weren't
they one of the smaller ones too hey
[1:51:02] » I thought they had a smaller amount to
show up anyway I mean how and who's
[1:51:06] going to say
>> well they [clears throat] take notes on
[1:51:09] who
>> yeah but do you want to be that person
[1:51:10] who says that one township you know you
came here with a bunch of stuff now take
[1:51:13] it somewhere else but well how do you
all feel
[1:51:16] » I feel if we let people get away with it
then the other the other townships are
[1:51:20] going to go, well, they didn't have to
pay and they still let their res
[1:51:23] [clears throat]
thought today.
[1:51:24] » Has that has that happened in the past
where we've gotten contributions from
[1:51:27] other municipalities and not from
others. So, this has already happened. I
[1:51:31] mean, we've already set the precedents,
>> but you're right, it is hard. Um, but
[1:51:35] this is Yeah. So,
>> so
[1:51:39] one of the things that, you know, we get
and we get the return frequent flyers,
[1:51:43] they go home and load up their truck and
they come back three times. Um, we're
[1:51:48] not going to do that.
>> I'm I'm just going to tell you that. Um,
[1:51:52] we have a police present with us. Um,
which we appreciate. Um, but, uh, I am,
[1:52:00] [clears throat] you know, council's
comfortable or if whoever isn't, you
[1:52:03] know, running this show totally. Um, I
say if they pay, we'll take the tires,
[1:52:10] but they're going to pay per tire.
Somebody will go, "Well, we'll pay you
[1:52:15] if we can take if we can take this whole
load behind me." Well, okay. And he
[1:52:20] gives me 20 bucks. So, what's 20 bucks
going to do if they're 350 and now
[1:52:24] they're $6 a tire? I think that we need
to let them know, right,
[1:52:30] » that we are going to be charging them $6
a tire or they're going to take them
[1:52:35] back. And and I'm not opposed to,
you know, if they pay, we'll chalk the
[1:52:42] tires and when they get across the way,
which we can see anyway, we'll know and
[1:52:47] they can unload all eight of them
because they've paid. I, you know, I'm
[1:52:51] not opposed to that. And and we've got a
pretty good system for those of us that
[1:52:56] check people in. So,
>> uh, so would you add like $6 per tire
[1:53:02] over four? I mean to put it right on the
flyer to make sure that you are not
[1:53:05] » I would because you know I may have I
may [clears throat] only have seven
[1:53:10] tires
>> right
[1:53:11] » and I'd rather somebody brings them and
I've told you this every year
[1:53:14] » then roll no roll them down into the
Cedar River
[1:53:18] » told you that every year
>> just one question on that who's doing
[1:53:23] the financials on it
>> I don't know but you guys have to figure
[1:53:26] that out [laughter]
>> I will tell you that I go down that
[1:53:29] river a lot the entire time see they're
used I know, but that's cuz they do the
[1:53:33] clean up now.
>> They did such a good job in cleaning it
[1:53:35] up. It's looking so much better.
>> I would agree with council person
[1:53:38] Darlington's let's add it right here if
you have more than four $6. Um, and then
[1:53:43] unfortunately that means there's going
to be some work on uh our treasurer to
[1:53:46] make sure we're doing this
appropriately. Um, that we're not cash
[1:53:50] is one of those weird places. I
[clears throat] like that decision. Does
[1:53:53] anyone not like it?
>> I think that's good. I I think we still
[1:53:56] haven't answered the question about the
nonpartic
[1:54:00] one up. Yeah, I think similar would
especially if they're rigging tires,
[1:54:04] just the six bucks a tire if they're not
if they're in the township not
[1:54:07] participating.
>> You know, there is another caveat here.
[1:54:09] If the county contributes, which they
haven't committed yet, but they're
[1:54:13] contributing for the whole county. So,
if we only have one place that don't
[1:54:17] show up and they only have one person
that shows up, I don't think there's
[1:54:21] » the one that usually only had one or two
cards did pay this year.
[1:54:25] » The the hay and um Sherman are larger.
Okay,
[1:54:31] » is probably not going to produce a ton
of traffic. I wouldn't think.
[1:54:34] » Uh Sherman is one of our bigger ones. We
had it was Sherman's one. They're still
[1:54:39] they're going to meet yet, right?
>> They're going to meet on September 14th,
[1:54:42] Monday.
>> I think they'll probably come through.
[1:54:43] It's I now we had five this morning and
now we have maybe possibly one. So, I
[1:54:49] mean, it was a little different
discussion earlier.
[1:54:51] » Did you have something you wanted to
add?
[1:54:52] » I just wanted to add too on the fly.
You'll notice we did limit the um motor
[1:54:56] oil to 5 gallons because we were having
55gallon drills.
[1:55:00] » We were
>> Oh, and this is household. This isn't
[1:55:03] commercial. So,
>> and that's what we're that's what we
[1:55:06] were seeing. We were seeing those people
that have a business bringing all their
[1:55:11] stuff every year and expecting us to
take it from them.
[1:55:14] » Well, that's what drives your cost up
too because you're paying by the pound
[1:55:17] for that.
>> And and we'll explain that. We'll
[1:55:19] explain that to the people kindly that
you know
[1:55:23] » and we also need volunteers. So please
anybody that's willing to work.
[1:55:27] » So do we have those two questions to
answer before we move on? Sorry Council
[1:55:31] Swinarski. We have two questions before
us. Uh I we've offered a solution to one
[1:55:37] and possibly both. What did you want to
add?
[1:55:40] No, I just wanted to make a comment that
Carol and Bernie Weaver and I will be
[1:55:46] checking in the cars and so we have a
pretty good system going and one one
[1:55:51] thing we do want to be extra careful
about this year is that we make sure we
[1:55:56] put those we put them in the right
place. you know that it's if it's from
[1:56:01] the township of Gladwin, we put them in
that spot and the city of Gladwin that
[1:56:06] spot because Gladwin Township went up
quite a bit from last year. So, we just
[1:56:11] want to make sure we do a good job of of
logging those in the right places. So,
[1:56:15] » okay. So, do we have it? We have two
questions still. Do we have the answer
[1:56:19] to number like the first one tires put
on here $6 over four? We're good charge.
[1:56:23] These ladies have no problem saying,
right? And the second one was, and we
[1:56:28] kind of have heard this, uh, if someone
doesn't pay, do we nyx them or since
[1:56:34] we've not in the past and the county's
contributing? I do think this is a
[1:56:38] unbelievable public service for our
environment, for our community. But I
[1:56:43] would agree, right? Um, what do we offer
for free? How do you all feel about that
[1:56:46] second piece? Like move forward, let
everyone in. If we have one or two that
[1:56:51] don't, next year we'll try harder.
Well, we typically don't get a lot of
[1:56:57] people that try to to that try to bring
us stuff if the if the township isn't
[1:57:02] participating.
>> So, I think if we have like one person
[1:57:06] from Grim and Grim doesn't participate,
>> are we going to turn them away? I don't
[1:57:11] think so. Right.
>> I don't think so. Now, if we had a huge
[1:57:15] problem with the with the townships not
participating, bringing us a bunch of
[1:57:20] stuff, then yes, we'd have to crack down
on it. But I don't think if we've got
[1:57:24] one or two people from these townships
that don't participate, I don't see us
[1:57:29] turning them away.
>> I agree.
[1:57:30] » And I get it. I get it that the ones
that are paying
[1:57:34] are paying and yes, they everybody
should, but I don't think for two or
[1:57:39] three people we should make a big deal.
>> I would agree. So anyone uh does do we
[1:57:45] agree with council person?
>> I agree with you.
[1:57:47] » Do you have the answers you need? Yep.
>> Okay. I don't think we need a motion on
[1:57:50] this. So, we'll move on to water meter
discussion, Kimberly.
[1:57:55] » Okay, this is kind of twofold. So, as
you know, for years, we've been trying
[1:58:00] to get our water meters replaced. I'm in
a I'm at a standstill because I've asked
[1:58:06] several times we have we're maybe
getting
[1:58:09] two done a month, three done a month.
The last administrator didn't this
[1:58:13] administrator that's just very temporary
right now. um
[1:58:19] we don't have or we have the meters. Um
what I've been told is they can't get
[1:58:23] into the house. So then we did the I did
the letter to let them know ahead of
[1:58:27] time that they would have 10 days. Um it
just doesn't seem like the meters are
[1:58:31] moving. So I'm bringing the discussion
back for two reasons. Is this something
[1:58:37] We are down to three people right now
because we have one out um and we're
[1:58:42] short one. Do we want to want us to get
some quotes to see what it would cost to
[1:58:48] have them done? And this is why I'm
asking. We just replaced a meter that
[1:58:52] was three years old. We have 20 to 25
meters that have not been working for 3
[1:58:57] years. Now, how that works or how it's
worked in the past was we estimated what
[1:59:03] their last 12 month average was and then
did it. Well, three years it could
[1:59:08] change a whole lot. What if they have a
leak in that meantime? and what you
[1:59:12] know, all this different stuff. Um, one
of the first ones came back for three
[1:59:16] years ago with a $3,000 bill and I was
told that we have 20 to 25 meters and
[1:59:22] that may be the case with all 20 to 25.
You're talking $60,000.
[1:59:28] So, there's two. [clears throat] Um, all
of these 120ome meters right now that
[1:59:33] we're behind, Karen has to manually
bill. She has to go through every single
[1:59:39] one of them every single month. So, it's
taking all that time. Um, it's causing
[1:59:44] there's some overtime involved. There's
some other areas that isn't getting
[1:59:48] addressed. So, it's causing a lot more
strain on that position. We're not
[1:59:53] getting the meters done. Um, yes, it is
our DPW guys job to do that, but it's
[1:59:58] not getting done um because of short
a multitude of things.
[2:00:03] » Do we have the meters?
>> We have 38 meters, but we've had them in
[2:00:08] supply. Um,
>> I knew we talked about it when Jeff was
[2:00:11] here.
>> Yeah. When we ordered a bunch, um, every
[2:00:14] time we get one thing
>> solved, it's something else of why we
[2:00:18] haven't replaced the meters. So, I'm
asking council to give me some advice on
[2:00:22] how you want to do this because I don't
think having a potential 60,000 loss in
[2:00:28] revenue is the right answer. So, um,
either
[2:00:31] » I think we should get a bid for
>> to require
[2:00:36] » two to replace the meter.
>> Mhm. So, I think you have to have two
[2:00:39] guys.
>> Yeah.
[2:00:40] » Well, we have to have two guys. Whether
a private contractor has two guys,
[2:00:44] that's up to them.
>> And I know Beaverton just replace some
[2:00:48] with grant money so I can reach out to
Shannon and kind of maybe get some
[2:00:51] somebody
>> Why do we have to have two guys and not
[2:00:54] somebody else? What do you mean by that?
What is this about
[2:00:58] » two people to go in the house? I think
when you when anybody enters the house,
[2:01:02] I think
>> we had a discussion about this prior and
[2:01:05] that's what the standard was is two two
people. So they're not in a home alone.
[2:01:09] Um [clears throat] it's to protect the
person going in and the homeowner.
[2:01:13] » We also have our DPW that's had to go in
crawl spaces and we did have a DPW guy
[2:01:18] that got stuck.
>> So with I mean I know you've been
[2:01:22] dealing with someone for a long time. So
I guess I need cuz it doesn't matter the
[2:01:27] manager. It doesn't matter me. It
doesn't we don't get it done. So how do
[2:01:30] we get it done?
>> When Chris was here we talked about
[2:01:33] hiring it out and it never got happened.
And then we ran into some roadblocks
[2:01:38] over the last couple years. So I I agree
with with Mike that we get let's get two
[2:01:47] beds or whatever you need. I don't know
what you need.
[2:01:49] » But you still have the problem forward
>> if they're not going to let you in the
[2:01:53] house.
>> I do not agree with that. [snorts]
[2:01:54] » As far as that goes, shut their water
out. That's how I feel about it. If you
[2:01:57] can't get in to change the meter, then
the water gets shut off. That's just the
[2:01:59] way it works. You can't pay your water.
You can't get it. We
[2:02:02] » But listen,
>> I don't know. Maybe we a lot of people
[2:02:06] talking at one time.
>> That's fine.
[2:02:09] » But when we had that list in front of
us,
[2:02:12] » I sat right here and said,
"Do not tell me those people are not
[2:02:19] home and not where." I could go through
that list and I could pick out half of
[2:02:23] those people minimum
>> that were retirees.
[2:02:28] The other thing was we had businesses on
there, including my Michigan Health.
[2:02:36] » Yep, I saw that.
>> Don't tell me that we they're not
[2:02:39] allowing us in to change those meters.
>> That's correct.
[2:02:42] » So, I say please get us some bids.
>> And I would like to see bids as well.
[2:02:47] I'd like to see this done. I don't think
it's an efficient way to do business,
[2:02:50] but I think there's a bigger issue.
We're not because we just approved how
[2:02:53] much because we don't have the right
licenses with DPW.
[2:02:57] I would like to see them able to either
get, you know, maybe offer them
[2:03:01] overtime. Um, there's something
happening at our DPW. There's probably a
[2:03:06] trillion different reasons, but if we
can't get the right people here, I think
[2:03:11] that's a bigger problem. Are we going to
continue to outsource all of our skilled
[2:03:14] trades? That happens all the time. Or do
we invest in the skilled trades people
[2:03:18] that we have or move those salaries up
so we can get more people? I think there
[2:03:23] there's a bigger problem I'm seeing
here. Um, and I don't know. I do agree
[2:03:26] we need bids. This needs to happen, but
is there any way I don't know the
[2:03:31] contract better than I do that we can at
least offer it to our BPW as overtime?
[2:03:35] Like something because what is it? Five.
How much do we pay an hour for the the
[2:03:40] wastewater treatment license person? Is
it five? How much? A lot. More than our
[2:03:46] guys make. And wouldn't it be nice to
find out how we move them to a place
[2:03:51] where they want both licenses
and to be in charge? It's just I think
[2:03:55] there's a bigger discussion, but I don't
think Do I hear anyone saying we don't
[2:03:58] want to at least see some bids?
>> I think we need to see the bids. It's
[2:04:03] been going on for way too long.
>> Way too long.
[2:04:06] » Okay.
>> Do you have what you need?
[2:04:08] » Yep.
>> All right. The last thing on our agenda
[2:04:11] or for new business is a resolution
authorizing the application for the
[2:04:14] Michigan Fire Equipment Grant. And it
looks like the only person here to talk
[2:04:18] about this is
>> okay. Um, this is the grant that the
[2:04:22] Michigan Department of Treasury has out
for fire departments. It is only open
[2:04:28] for municipalities to be able to enter
into. So, it's in a sense we talked
[2:04:34] about this as a pass. [clears throat]
The grant closes at the end of
[2:04:37] September. So, this is just authorizing
the city to be the applicant on behalf
[2:04:42] of the fire department. and they want to
apply for $50,000 for new fire
[2:04:46] equipment. I'll make that motion.
>> Great. We have uh someone's offer the
[2:04:51] resolution support to the resolution.
>> Thank you for Do does anyone does anyone
[2:04:56] have any questions, comments, or
concerns? I wanted to comment that um I
[2:05:00] spoke with um the fire department
chaplain, Pastor Spang, and I believe he
[2:05:06] may I don't know if he's writing the
grant or if he's he's he's aware of the
[2:05:10] the fire department folks will be doing
all the writing of the grant is my
[2:05:14] understanding. So he won't be involved
in that piece of it.
[2:05:17] » They need any am I correct on that,
Kimberly?
[2:05:19] » Yes, it's already written.
>> Okay. It just Yeah, it says here he has
[2:05:25] the ability to sign for it. That's it.
Great. Thank you for the comment. Any
[2:05:29] other questions?
>> Would you do a roll call for this
[2:05:32] resolution?
>> Karen Dington?
[2:05:33] » Yes.
>> Dave Crawford?
[2:05:34] » Yes.
>> Jamie?
[2:05:36] » Yes.
>> Chris,
[2:05:37] yes. Michael Smith,
>> yes.
[2:05:39] » Linda Warski,
>> yes.
[2:05:42] » Okay. Uh, at this time we'll move on to
uh Kimberly. Um, one thing I want to
[2:05:47] bring up, we talked at the cow meeting,
I think it was two cow meetings ago
[2:05:50] about utility billing and we were
billing 5% on the current balance
[2:05:54] instead of um 5% on the past two
balance.
[2:05:58] » Can there was a second resolution
though? Can we do that one as well?
[2:06:03] » Did I miss something?
>> Yeah, there's another one after that.
[2:06:05] It's the resolution for the allowing
[2:06:11] » my agenda for both of them together.
There was another one that's supposed to
[2:06:14] be allowing Pastor Spring to sign on
behalf of the city administrator.
[2:06:20] » Is that why
>> for the for the
[2:06:21] » fire? It was right in the fire thing.
>> No, there's a second one that is on
[2:06:26] » all one packet. I didn't list it like
>> Okay, so we're good. Do you have what
[2:06:31] you need?
>> Do they need to approve both?
[2:06:34] » They should
off of that. That one is just allowing
[2:06:39] the chaplain to be able to sign on
behalf of the city.
[2:06:43] » Off the resolution that pastor spring
fire department chaplain be authorized
[2:06:47] to sign
>> for this grant
[2:06:49] » that grant support that grant.
>> Thank you council person Smith and
[2:06:53] counc.
>> Good. Thank you for for bringing that
[2:06:56] up. Any further questions or comments?
>> Would you uh roll call for that
[2:07:00] resolution, please?
>> Yes. Oh, it is two separate.
[2:07:04] » Yeah.
>> I'm sorry. What? It is two separate.
[2:07:08] This this one is one
>> and this one is the second one.
[2:07:12] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[2:07:13] » Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. I got Linda and
Mike DeL.
[2:07:17] » Yes.
>> Jessica Terrace.
[2:07:19] » Jamie Esteine.
>> Yes.
[2:07:20] » Carol Darlington.
>> Yes.
[2:07:23] » Is there a reason why she's not voting?
>> Oh,
[2:07:26] » go. We keep forgetting her.
>> She's not on here.
[2:07:29] » That's a good call.
>> Good call.
[2:07:32] » On that one.
>> She raised her hand so far. Tisha Wyatt.
[2:07:37] » Yes.
>> Thank you. Thanks for pointing that out.
[2:07:39] My
>> It's because it wasn't up here. It goes
[2:07:41] by this year literally.
>> All right. Kimberly, what do you got?
[2:07:45] » Okay. So, we had talked in the cow
meeting about the utility billing for as
[2:07:49] long as we can remember. It doesn't go
along with our ordinance. It should have
[2:07:53] been billing 5% of the past due amount.
It's been billing 5% of the current
[2:07:58] amount. Um, we talked about giving
residents a little bit of time to adjust
[2:08:02] to that. we sent out on the last bill
that this would be changing. So it is my
[2:08:08] goal to October 1st um to adjust the SNA
so it is billing according to our
[2:08:14] ordinance which is 5% on the fastue
amount. Um you you know it's already in
[2:08:19] our ordinance so I don't think we need
to approve it. I just wanted to make you
[2:08:21] aware of that.
>> Okay.
[2:08:22] » Um that's we've talked about the other
stuff so I think that's what we have.
[2:08:26] » Okay. Uh we'll move on to my comments.
Uh first of all uh we did I I had the
[2:08:33] pleasure of doing two um honoring pastor
Brad for his many years. He was as
[2:08:40] actually my youth pastor as well. Uh so
got to offer him a resolution or a a
[2:08:45] proclamation. Thank you for the words.
Uh also got to offer one thanks to uh
[2:08:50] Deb um for Lyn Morgan turned 81. We are
in the week of Lin Morgan week. Um so if
[2:08:56] you see them, please offer them our
congratulations and a huge thanks to our
[2:08:59] clerk. These came in both of them a
little in the the the last minute and
[2:09:04] then even Friday I wasn't sure I was
gonna be in I mean like pulled in hot.
[2:09:07] Um so thank you for making [snorts] that
happen because obviously the Wro and
[2:09:12] Morgan family were quite uh honored. Um
so uh we can get you those copies too if
[2:09:18] anyone would like to read them. Um don't
forget the 911 memorial. Uh it is
[2:09:23] shocking that we are this far away
because it feels some days like it was
[2:09:28] literally yesterday. Uh, please be there
on time. Let's show our first responders
[2:09:33] that we do remember and we do care. Um,
our I would like to at our cow meeting,
[2:09:39] I've brought this up a few times. I'd
like to see it on the agenda if it's
[2:09:42] okay with you all. I'd like to discuss
engagement. Um, I'd like to discuss us
[2:09:47] appointing more council to groups like
um uh the
[2:09:53] council local government. I'd like us to
do be more um deliberate about how we're
[2:09:58] getting information back. Um you know, I
think council local governments, I think
[2:10:02] business professional association, you
know, there's a lot of regular meetings
[2:10:05] that I think a council person would be a
fabulous representative and then bring
[2:10:09] that information back. So, I'd like to
discuss that if if you guys are in favor
[2:10:14] maybe bringing some ideas of where we
could have better ears so that we can
[2:10:18] hear what what's happening in other
places in our community.
[2:10:22] um the time capsule. Thank you, uh
council personski. Uh in a few brief
[2:10:28] conversations, some really good ideas.
So, I think of like I I just emailed the
[2:10:33] superintendent and you guys all know how
great uh Mr. Frisbee can be, they
[2:10:37] donated a yearbook uh or this if you all
could think of one or two um
[2:10:43] organizations,
local groups. I think of, you know,
[2:10:46] Kowanis and Rotary and if they could
write, wouldn't it be great to have a
[2:10:50] handwritten letter? Who knows if we'll
have cursive in 50 years or if they'll
[2:10:53] be teaching it at least. Um, so if you
all could reach out to someone and say
[2:10:57] we'd like a a representative of you in
our community, a picture, something, uh,
[2:11:02] I think we're going to find some really
cool stuff. So, um, that all
[2:11:07] » we're extending it.
>> Yes, that's what she said. Beginning to
[2:11:11] the end of the month,
>> to the end of September.
[2:11:13] » Yes.
>> I gave her pennies today. Kristie gave
[2:11:17] » I gave her a roll of pennies. I'm not
going to exist. We also got
[2:11:20] » I actually was going to bring a roll of
pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters.
[2:11:24] Maybe I'll still get the other because I
think all of our change is going to go
[2:11:27] away.
>> Oh, wow.
[2:11:28] » Yeah, could be right.
>> Um, we'll make sure I get it, too. We
[2:11:31] have some honey from our farmers market.
All kinds of really cool stuff. But if
[2:11:35] you have some ideas, contact folks,
right? Cuz they're going to open up in
[2:11:39] 50 years and represent all of us.
>> Um, quickly, uh, Laura, thank you to to
[2:11:44] Lori uh, and Trisher Donaldson, Chief
Alward. Um, this was a great idea. Uh,
[2:11:51] thank you for coming up with at least, I
don't know, a temporary solution for if
[2:11:55] we were to be both outside and inside
again. So, kudos to the team for at
[2:11:58] least uh this is thoughtful. Thank you
for that. Um,
[2:12:03] I and I want to thank every single
person who did uh express their
[2:12:07] interest. AJ, Ben, uh, Patrick, Aaron,
Nicole, and Doug. Uh, this this means a
[2:12:14] lot to our community. Keep showing up.
keep trying. Um, and then finally, we
[2:12:19] only had uh public comment. Thank you
for showing up for public comment. I
[2:12:24] think that's all I have. Uh, we'll move
on to council member comments. Who wants
[2:12:29] to go first?
>> I'd like to congratulate Tisha. Yeah.
[2:12:33] Filling in our FC. And I too would
appreciate all all the res
[2:12:43] for the possibility of serving on the
council for the next two years. Thank
[2:12:47] you. Good res.
>> Awesome. Council Crawford. Um, welcome
[2:12:54] Tisha the board and I also uh attended
the uh memorial server the graduator
[2:13:03] service for uh Pastor Brad. Um
pretty impressive guy. He's he's been a
[2:13:10] pillar in the community for
>> Yes, he has.
[2:13:13] » How many 32 years? So
>> long time [clears throat]
[2:13:16] » and we're going to miss him. I know he's
still around town, but we're going to
[2:13:19] miss him.
>> Most definitely.
[2:13:21] » Council person Darlington.
>> Um,
[2:13:24] same same dittos. I'll just ditto the
congrats and we'll move on. So, one of
[2:13:29] the things that I would encourage those
people who um are looking at perhaps
[2:13:36] either um a an elected position is that
many of us started out as volunteers on
[2:13:45] committees.
And so that would be a place for people
[2:13:51] to be able to start and build some
knowledge of municipal governments as
[2:13:58] well as um being um
in in learning some things about their
[2:14:06] city more and just getting more
involved. and it's a voluntary position,
[2:14:10] but um I would really encourage you to
fill out that paperwork and get it on
[2:14:16] file and um depending on what's
available and what's open and what we're
[2:14:22] looking for at different times, then we
we look at that, okay? We go to that.
[2:14:27] That's a resource to take into
consideration. So, that would be my
[2:14:32] thought. And um
parks, thank you for the work. Thank you
[2:14:36] for the recommendations that you're
bringing forth. We've not had that and I
[2:14:41] would um say that we're a little aiss
perhaps in letting you um give us that
[2:14:48] presentation and that depth before we
start to make those decisions. So, um
[2:14:54] we'll try to do better and we'll we'll
we'll listen hard. So, thank you.
[2:14:58] » Thank you, Counc.
>> Um I just want to say um [snorts]
[2:15:03] Tisha, of course, welcome. Um, it was a
hard decision for me. I didn't make the
[2:15:08] decision today. I I I'm fine with the
decision that was made, but I think
[2:15:13] that, um, every one of you had great
things to say and have a good background
[2:15:20] to be able to come to this table. I know
Carol, I I don't agree with her on the
[2:15:25] fact that you have to have some prior
anything. I would never
[2:15:30] » No, no, no. I'm I well it would be
easier get to know the council or get to
[2:15:35] know the whatever better. I just don't
agree with that part of it. It's no big
[2:15:38] deal. But um because I came here with no
experience and you as far as reading
[2:15:45] trying to figure out whatever I just
think that it's great that we have
[2:15:50] younger people in our community getting
involved. Nothing against anybody who is
[2:15:55] even me. I'm in my 50s now. So, but I
think it's important because our
[2:15:59] community has a lot of younger families
in it now and I think it's important to
[2:16:04] see some changes for the younger
families as well. So, um that's it.
[2:16:09] » Thank you,
>> Council President. [clears throat]
[2:16:13] » I just want to thank everybody. I
appreciate it and everybody else that
[2:16:16] put the letters in. I mean, it just
shows how much we all care about this
[2:16:21] city
>> and want to move forward. So, thank you.
[2:16:25] » Thank you, C. That's fine.
>> Welcome, Tisha. And I'm all set. Thank
[2:16:30] you, Councilwoman Warski.
>> Okay. Just want to let everybody know.
[2:16:34] Well, just just wanted to let everybody
know that Nancy sick so we don't send
[2:16:39] the police to her house to see where to
find out where she is. She is she's got
[2:16:44] to give it to everybody. So,
>> she told me to let you know that.
[2:16:48] » Thank you. That was really important.
Um, and
[2:16:52] uh, usually before we have the hazardous
waste pickup, we have a safety committee
[2:16:57] meeting. Um, I was just wondering if
we're still going to plan on doing that.
[2:17:02] Okay.
>> Okay.
[2:17:03] » And the last thing I have is
[clears throat] we'll need to have
[2:17:07] somebody else appointed to um, approve
the payroll because John and I were
[2:17:14] doing that and now John is gone. So, our
payroll has been held up because we
[2:17:19] don't have a second person appointed.
Um, what we did before is you just asked
[2:17:24] for volunteers, mayor, and John and I
raised our hands because it's not a paid
[2:17:29] position. It's strictly volunteer and
it's really for people who are around
[2:17:35] during the day and can do this at a
couple minutes notice. So,
[2:17:40] » that's kind of what we're looking for.
So
[2:17:42] » since it is a volunteer position with no
um we that's Linda and I tal council and
[2:17:49] I talked about this before I have a
policy which she's stating from um but
[2:17:53] if there's another volunteer who would
like to help
[2:17:55] » was there anything in the policy about
mayor prom
[2:17:58] » I thought there was I don't see it so
the meeting policy does it usually take
[2:18:03] » it depends
>> you're talking about to go over the um
[2:18:07] » time sheets
>> just council time sheets
[2:18:10] » yeah But do you have to do it?
>> That's usually during one day when
[2:18:14] they're open.
>> You have to do it during the day. It's
[2:18:17] usually in the morning.
>> It's usually It takes It doesn't take
[2:18:21] that long, but we just want to make sure
that everybody's getting, you know, paid
[2:18:26] for the meetings that they attended.
That's why we have two people do it
[2:18:29] because we have found in the past that
one person sometimes misses something
[2:18:34] and so a second person is always good to
have a second person look it over. So,
[2:18:39] » I think it makes it all about board. So,
>> I'll volunteer.
[2:18:44] » Deb, you're awesome. You guys all good
with that?
[2:18:47] » Well, it's fine. I mean, yeah, I was
say, yeah, de board volunteers for
[2:18:54] everything.
>> Unless someone else would like to
[2:18:55] volunteer and I'm not opposed to dev.
It's just that volunteers for
[2:18:59] everything.
>> Thank you.
[2:19:02] » Get myself into
>> uh if you would like us to review again
[2:19:05] in a month or two, if either of
>> There's no sheets that need reviewed
[2:19:08] right now.
>> Yeah. All right. You're getting busy
[2:19:10] girls here first thing in the morning.
>> Thank you, Council President Warski. Is
[2:19:14] there anything else you'd like to
address?
[2:19:15] » No, that's it. I'm done.
>> Council person Smith.
[2:19:17] » Um, I wanted to thank everybody who
expressed an interest in appointment to
[2:19:21] city council and congratulations to
Tisha. Um, appreciate the the
[2:19:27] overwhelming um
letters of interest. We had a lot and um
[2:19:33] that's very that's it's great that we
have that much interest because there
[2:19:37] has been times in the past when
>> couldn't find someone sitting in his
[2:19:40] chairs.
>> So
[2:19:42] » I'm all set.
>> All right, we'll move on to other Chief
[2:19:47] Binger. Uh someone came in with dog hair
in his pants.
[2:19:51] » I thought I got most of the lint roll.
>> She sounds jealous.
[2:19:54] » I am way jealous. I thought we were
promised a coach [cough]
[2:19:58] in the meeting, but
>> so I did get to see coach today. Um, he
[2:20:02] is scheduled, he and officer Doyle are
scheduled to complete training about mid
[2:20:06] next week. So, um, they will be around
for homecoming, which is, I think, is a
[2:20:11] perfect timing. So, um, yeah, they're
he's
[2:20:16] pretty well tempered out, so I think I
think you guys will love to see him. Um,
[2:20:19] I will try to have officer Doyle coach
here u for maybe one of the next council
[2:20:24] meetings or something like that.
whatever works on the schedule.
[2:20:26] » Thank you.
[2:20:30] » Thank you for the report, too. Those are
always really interesting to read.
[2:20:33] » Thank you.
>> Any questions for our chief? Chris,
[2:20:36] anything from you?
>> Nothing.
[2:20:39] » Um, I plan on having budget amendments
for you at our next meeting so that way
[2:20:43] we can get caught up and see where we're
sitting with that. And I do have our
[2:20:46] audit schedule for October, so we will
be busy getting ready for that as well.
[2:20:51] » Great. Thank you. your last I don't have
a lot because we have early voting again
[2:20:56] in um October starting I believe is the
24th or 25th. So we'll have nine days um
[2:21:03] that week which we normally hold it
here. We do have a parks and a planning
[2:21:06] commission scheduled. So I don't know if
there's a possibility of moving that or
[2:21:12] otherwise we have to share everything
down clear it out. You guys can have
[2:21:15] your meeting and then the next morning
get here early to set it back up. So
[2:21:18] » how much of the room do you use? All of
it. We use just this council chamber. We
[2:21:23] don't use out there.
>> We can go back there.
[2:21:26] » Okay. I just wanted to make sure.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[2:21:28] » With that, aren't you Chris? We could be
back there for our planning.
[2:21:31] » Anything
[laughter]
[2:21:35] » with that?
>> That was kind.
[2:21:37] » Yes.
>> At 7:21.
[2:21:40] » I'll make it support.
>> Thank you both.
[2:21:45] All in favor, please vote by saying
>> I oppos.
[2:21:50] I know you don't [laughter]
>> whatever you say.