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Good evening everyone. The time is 7:04.
I'd like to call this meeting to order.

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Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson, could you do the
invocation, please?

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» Yes. Good evening, everyone. Father God,
we just give you glory and honor. We

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just thank you for greatness, your
faithfulness. And we thank you for your

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love and your compassion that you have
towards us. We thank you, Lord Jesus,

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for how you sustain the city of Leard
and and and meet our needs. And Father

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God, I just ask that you will bless
everyone that is participating in this

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meeting today. Father God, that you
would grace us with wisdom and and

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knowledge and peace, Father, as we um go
and do the business of the city. Father

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God, we just ask these things in Jesus
name we pray. Amen. Amen.

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» Amen. Thank you, Madam Cler. Could you
do the roll call, please?

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» Sure. Good evening, everyone.
Councilwoman Cross

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» here.
Councilman Harrison,

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Councilman Herring,

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» Councilwoman Jones
>> here,

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» Councilman Williams,

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» Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson
>> here.

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Mayor Curtis
>> here.

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» Councilman Williams.

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I think I just saw him pop on.

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Councilman Williams.

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» Yes.
>> Uh we don't roll call.

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» Yes, I'm here.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Uh, we have a quorum. Thank you.

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Is there a motion to adopt the agenda?

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» So move.
>> Is there a second?

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» Second.
>> Any discussion?

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» I have a question.
>> Yes.

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» Councilwoman Jones. I'm looking at the
agenda and I don't see uh where there

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has been indicated for reports and I
have a question not to discuss reports

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because we normally don't do that until
later on but I have a question

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concerning reports and it's not on the
agenda. So I would like to have that

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added please.
>> Uh a question on uh on reports or a

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particular report
>> on all of the not all of the reports but

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a couple of the reports. Yes.
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» It's not a a question. It's just um

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» Go ahead. Just report.
>> Yeah, we we had we removed the reports

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because typically we go over them on in
a regular session and we have a a hefty

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agenda tonight. Um so that was the
rationale for not having the reports on

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the agenda.
>> Okay. So this is my question.

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Uh
we did receive some reports from the uh

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miss the uh email that you sent out
concerning the reports. I don't see a a

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report for the city manager and I do not
see a report for the chief of police uh

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not necessarily that the council would
have to have those reports, but I'd like

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to see those reports uh uh before the
regular meeting because of the fact and

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there for citizens also, especially when
it comes down to the police department.

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Uh I need to I need to still know the
number of service calls uh due to the

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fact that uh from what I'm understanding
I've asked been asked twice before this

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day came that um I am against the police
department and I have a petition going

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around to get rid of the police
department which is far from the truth.

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Very far from the truth. That is not
true. So, um

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» I'd like to uh have that make sure that
those reports are sent to me or sent to

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the council before the regular session
so that uh the citizens will have a

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chance to view them and I will have the
chance to view them myself.

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» It's nothing that it's nothing that has
to be inepth to the citizens or to the

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but at least a report to let them know
what's going on in the city. And like I

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said, for the police department, I need
the uh uh calls for service from Prince

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George's County to be able to justify
why we do need a police department.

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» Okay. Uh well, I'll I'll just add it to
the topics of discussion your request

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for reports.
>> Um any other discussion?

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» Yes, Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes, sir. Councilman Williams.

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» Um I'm looking in the package. I don't
in the written package. I don't have an

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agenda. So I don't and I don't see the
legislation about the stop sign of Lon

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Parkway that is it we don't need to go
through that or just need to be a public

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hearing for next week.
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go through a public hearing already. We
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» It didn't go through a public hearing.
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hearing, but it did go through um
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don't I just want to make sure it's on
the public hearing for next. Thank you.

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» Thank you for the reminder. We'll look
um into that and make sure it's at the

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public hearing uh so it can go to the
public hearing and then move forward

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with the vote since we've already have
it had it at a work session.

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all right. Uh any other discussion?
I have one Miss Tena Felder is here and

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she's here to um answer any questions
that we have and make a small

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presentation and we can do that in the
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All right.
So the amended agenda is to include a

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[clears throat] topic discussion for
reports uh and Miss Tena Felder for

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presentation and questions and answers.
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any other items?

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Any opposition to adopting the amended
agenda?

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Hearing none, by consent, the agenda is
hereby adopted. Uh, Councilman Williams,

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um,
that you you can get to the agenda

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online, uh, if you go to the city
website or if if, uh, Council Cler,

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could you just email him?
>> Yes, I'll get right to it now.

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» Yeah. Thank you.

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All right.

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Moving on to
the agenda. First item on agenda is the

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resolution to extend contract with GCI
residential.

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Scroll to it.
>> Point of order.

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» Mayor,
>> I'm sorry. Thank you. Yes.

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» You said he's going to talk to a guest.
I'm sorry, Miss

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» Yes.
That's the same thing I was going to

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say, sir. Thank you.
>> You are correct. Thank you. I was

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following the agenda and forgot my notes
that we amended the agenda. So, first

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item up is Miss Felder. I saw her.
Oh, there she is in my corner. Uh, Miss

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Felder, you have the floor.
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giving just an update on the status of
the elevator project um and also the

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nutrition center council chamber project
as well. Um so for the elevator project

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um all of the drawings um are 100%
complete and they're with the uh Prince

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George's County for a permit review and
um we are awaiting some fees that need

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to be paid so that the permit review
process can continue. Um, I'm

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anticipating that once the um the fees
are paid and everything has been um

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assigned to the different reviewers that
we should hopefully be able to get the

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permit within a 45day period. So, um I'm
I'll be working closely with the

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reviewers to try to get, you know,
everything approved and any comments

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that they may have to get those uh
responded to as as quickly as possible

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so that we can finally get uh all of the
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project.

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So, that's that's where we are with with
that with the status of that. Um the

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other project is with the council
chambers and nutrition center. I believe

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the last time I met with um the council
here um we were just awaiting final

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direction on the um layout the proposed
layout that we had presented. There were

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some um back and forth about, you know,
what was going to happen with the

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nutrition center, what we were going to
put, you know, like the equipment inside

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of the nutrition center kitchen. Um the
council chambers and things always

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remained a as we had it originally
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that are redesigned towards the rear of
of the space as well. But we were still

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awaiting direction as to what we were
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And I'm just gonna share my screen. Just
give me one second here.

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» Let me make sure you can share it.

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» I'm going to send a request to you.
>> Yes. Gray. Can you unlock the um

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screen share, please?
>> You got it.

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» Okay, great.

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» And just let me see where my screen is
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» We can see it.
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the the various portions here. So, this
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again. Um it's going to be exactly like
what we had um discussed with you and

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and everybody approved. And if you can
see, can you see this 3D

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threedimensional? Okay. So, this was a
um just a rendering that was done just

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to show what the new council chambers
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basically what we're going to be doing
is redoing the the platform. Um adding

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the the handicap compliant ramp uh to
get up to the platform. We're adding the

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the wood panels um around the the entire
perimeter of the of the council

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chambers. Um redoing the seal that's on
the wall in the back. Um and then on the

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wall where um this is where the
mechanical room is and this is actually

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the door that leads out to the exterior
of the the stairwell which leads out to

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the exterior of the building. So for the
remaining walls we'll be doing

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acoustical panels on the wall to help
with reverberation purposes um and the

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acoustical quality within the space and
then also a large um flat panel screen

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that we would have here for
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towards the the back of the space. This
is the wall that's shared with the

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nutrition center. So again, we're going
to maintain the a large opening between

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the council chambers and the nutrition
center that can act as overflow, but uh

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so we're we're instead of doing the
accordion petitions that you have there

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now, we're going to be um replace that
with um like a sliding glass system. And

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these can be opaque glass, um you
frosted glass, whatever that we want to

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do here. Um that will be able to
separate the council chambers from the

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nutrition center so that when the
council chambers isn't in use, if you

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want to close it off to the public, then
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then the the remaining walls on the side
of those um uh that sliding glass panel

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system will be the acoustical panels um
as well. the nutrition center. Um I just

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left that as a as a blank space for now.
Basically, what we were going to do is

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just um refresh all of the finishes that
are inside and also redo the nutrition

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center kitchen as well. Just kind of um
you know adding some equipment and

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things. I'll get into that in a second.
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replace all the windows um along the the
nutrition center as well because those

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those are old. I think those are sing
single pane windows, aluminum windows

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that you have there now. So those were
all going to get replaced and the

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existing through the wall units that you
have there were going to be taken out

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and um the mechanical system, you know,
would would be adjusted as needed uh for

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that area.
So, with the kitchen, the nutrition

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center kitchen, um what we were
proposing was to um not we um I I

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believe there was not going to be any
cooking or anything done there. So, uh

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back in the day, I believe you had like
a range there that was taken out. So,

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basically all this is is just like a
warming kitchen in in essence. So, we

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have a three compartment sink, uh things
that comply with the health department,

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um some shelving. These are stainless
steel tables for prep tables. Uh we'll

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have a microwave um that's available, a
a column refrigerator and freezer, which

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is commercial grade. And also this is a
food warmer um that's here in the corner

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where um if you have food brought in
then they can use the warmer to just

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keep the food warm. And then we would
have a hand sink as well which also

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complies with um um health department
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And also in the rear um the back area
where the two toilets, the men's and

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women's toilets are, those will be um
completely reconfigured um so that they

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can be truly ADA compliant. Right now I
I know back in the past back in I

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believe when we first started working
with you all was back in 2008 I believe

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and the first um scope part of the scope
of work was to add like some ADA

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compliant things to the restrooms. So,
these restrooms are going to actually be

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completely demoed out and and redone and
um reconfigured. Um taking some space

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from the adjacent storage and that that
closet that's in the middle that would

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be taken out as well. That janitor's
closet would be relocated so that we can

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um create full ADA compliant handicap
stalls. Um and then have the the ADA

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accessibility that we need in both
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And that is the that's pretty much what
the layout is. Um so we were just

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awaiting direction from the council. Um
because I think if once we get direction

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from you, if you say this is okay,
proceed uh with the final construction

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documents, um we we've already about
maybe I would say about 65% complete

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with the drawings for this as this is
laid out right now. So if you give the

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go ahead, we would only need about uh 30
days to be able to complete those

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drawings. And then those can also be
submitted for permitting as well. And I

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know that um one of the things that we
had discussed um uh previously in other

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meetings was um you know since you were
going to be doing the elevator and it

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was going to require some downtown down
time in that area um where the council

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chambers is that it would be nice to
also go ahead and have the council

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chambers in that area done at the same
time um to minimize mobilization costs

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with the construction company but also
so that you know when everything is

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finished then that whole area can be can
be reopened.

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So that that concludes um the the
updates that I have at this time.

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» Okay. Thank you. Uh any questions from
council councilwoman cross?

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» Thank you Miss Felder for that uh
update. I do have one question. You

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mentioned the year group which I am
floored by 2008.

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That means you've been working this
project for 18 years. Um I don't know

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how you feel about that number but it
seems like we could have built a whole

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new municipal center in 18 years. So,
can you talk to us about what have been

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our budgetary
obligations over these 18 years and how

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much are we in for on these projects and
uh one elevator to uh now the added

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council chambers and I presume that's
the only two things that you're doing

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for us
>> over the correct

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» 18 years. Can you give me a financial
rundown of what we look like

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we invested thus far from the city's tax
dollars? Thank you.

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» Sure. Um I I don't have all of those
figures in front of me. I didn't know

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that was going to be a question. I can
certainly provide uh what has been on

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the architectural side. Um but it's all
been done in phases. So when we were

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first um hired uh with the city of
Glennard, the first phase was to do some

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ADA retrofit um items. So that included
what I was talking about certain things

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like adding push buttons to doors,
adding grab bars to the restrooms and

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also the parking lot um um construction
where the ADA um compliant spaces were

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provided and also the walkway on the
lower level, not on the upper level,

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just on the lower level. Um and so that
was phase one. Then fa while we were

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working on that, phase two came along
where it was the elevator idea. I

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believe we started working on the
elevator I want to say 2010 I could be

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wrong plus or minus a year um with the
elevator and we had actually completed

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um the full construction documents and
everything at that time it was a design

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build so uh we there was a contractor on
board and the contractor was working

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directly with with the city um in in
terms of you know the pricing everything

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um and then I I don't know exactly what
happened but all I know is that the the

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project was hauled Ed um from the city
um and so it's been kind of like a start

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stop start stop start stop stop stop

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stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
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stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
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point on so I don't have what the
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um the total financial picture I can
give what the architectural fees have

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been up to that point um but I I don't
have that information with me but I can

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certainly provide that
>> thank you for that is uh the treasurer

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on Mr. Stewart, do you have a financial
picture of how much the city has

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invested thus far in this project,
elevator project as well as the uh

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council chambers?

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» Thanks, Councilwoman Ross. Um I will
have to do the same by looking into the

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information to see how much we could
have and I'll get back to the council on

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um what has been incurred over that
period of time.

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» Thank you, Mr. Stewart.
Is that all? Councilwoman Cross.

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» Yes, that's all. I would like to have
those numbers um one from the city, but

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also Miss Felder, I would like to have
your numbers as well uh sent to the

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council team so that it can also be made
available to the citizens so that they

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have an appreciation for the investment
thus far. Thank you. will do.

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» Councilwoman Jones.

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» Thank you, Mayor Cross. Um, thank you,
Miss Felder, for the followup. As a uh

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follow up on what Councilwoman Cross has
presented, my question is uh the last

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time we met with you concerning this. We
saw this all of this uh presentation

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that you brought tonight. I'm can't
understand what the between I think it

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was almost two years ago that we met
with you. What was the what

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where where what was the the fallout
between the last meeting we had

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downstairs in the council chambers with
you and these drawings and today

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» with with regards to the council
chambers themselves or the elevator

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project
>> all of it.

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» Okay. Um so with I'm going to start with
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um we when I had presented these
drawings before um we received um

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direction that uh the council was
possibly looking at instead of um having

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the nutrition center as the nutrition
center to actually allocate some of that

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as part of the police department. And I
actually um had done like a a schematic

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of if we had divided up the space um
where we just used a portion of it for

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the nutrition center and then added some
of the space allocated some of that

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space for the um for the police
department. So, I know that that was at

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at that point that's when we kind of
stopped everything because there was

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talk about if there was going to be a
new police department somewhere or if

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the some of the space was going to be
taken and added to the police

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department. Um, so that that's where the
that part project stopped. And so that's

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why we were waiting on direction or as
to should we continue forward to

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complete this or were there other plans
for for that space. So, that's what

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that's what happened with the nutrition
center in the council chambers. Um, in

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terms of the elevator project, um, we
ran into a a few little hiccups um with

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with my my engineers, but we got
everything worked out and um and so

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that's why we're we're trying to get
everything completed with the with the

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county in terms of the permit review.
>> Okay. So at this juncture um for this

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project to move forward the three of
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nutrition center and the council
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to move forward we at this juncture
you're saying that we have to make a a

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payment to the permit or the permits has
an invoice or anything's been submitted

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to the administration with a figure that
we owe for the permits

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» yes Mr. gardener has the invoice from
the county with the permit fees and a

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breakdown of the fees.
>> I don't see a resolution on the um

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docket for that, but I guess we'll have
to discuss that uh with the um

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city manager.
>> I I can chime in very briefly. Thank you

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for the question. Um the contract that
we have with the architect uh indicates

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that the the payment of fees uh to the
county for permits is on the city. Um

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and the the county has provided a
breakdown of the fees. There are

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actually two payments. Uh the first
payment is uh for u between9 and $10,000

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which is due prior to the uh the county
starting their review. And then the

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second payment is at the end of the
process and it is also for about um 9 or

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$10,000.
Um, so if um if council prefers to to do

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a motion or resolution to approve those
fees, we can do that. Um, I I wasn't

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sure whether uh since it was in the
contract that we would be responsible,

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whether that would be um considered
approved per the contract, but either

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way is fine.

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Well, I mean, if we're going to move
forward with these projects, we're going

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to have to stay on top of them. And
whatever we need the next step is when

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the balls in our court, we need to move
forward. Uh if it's not in our court, we

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need to f figure out whose court is in
and get them to move move the uh project

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forward. I mean, we just can't sit on
this. We've been sitting on this like uh

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Councilwoman Cross has said uh as the
elevator especially for 18 years. And I

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know for at least two years that we last
met with Miss Felder, we've been sitting

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on this project.
Thank you, Mayor Curtis. Thank you, Miss

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Felder.
>> Thank you,

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Councilman Williams.

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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There
there's an elephant in the room that I

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think needs to be addressed.
Last because I came in the back end in

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this and the last meeting I was in with
Miss Felder.

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I recall,
and maybe I'm wrong, but council

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members, I do recall we asked the status
of where we was with the elevator and we

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were told that we were impermitted.
So, we asked how many more days it going

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to be and we was given some days.
So,

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now today meeting and she said we just
figuring stuff out.

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But I do recall and we can bring up the
tape if there is tape that you told us

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that we asked where we were the elevator
and you told us they were in permitting.

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You submitted it for review and
permitting and that's the last we heard.

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So please help me understand the
difference.

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» Yeah. So at that
>> Sure. At that time I was working with um

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park and planning um to see any
requirements that I needed in terms of

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the um a woodland conservation exemption
or uh um natural resource inventory

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exemption. So at that time I was working
with um with park and planning um you

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know trying to get that done. Um, and
then we had finished up all of the

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drawings. Um, but there were a few
things that we needed to add uh to the

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drawings. Um, some life safety things um
sheets that we added to the the per the

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permit set. Um, so we got all of that
resolved and then um the initial

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application that I had submitted um had
timed out in the system and so um I had

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to resubmit a new application and and
that's where we are today.

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So, what you're telling us today is, and
I don't know how many months ago that

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was, that you submitted an application,
it wasn't

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complete,
and it timed out

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» and
you then had to submit some more

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information to get it to where it is
now.

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» Correct.
And are you telling me it's is ready for

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permitting now?
>> Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I I

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» All right. So, when you said it was in
permitting before,

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uh, did we pay fees?
>> No, you didn't pay any fees. You didn't

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pay I I didn't invoice and you didn't
pay any fees.

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» Why not?
>> Because I was working with park and

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planning at the time and and the fees
were not required at that time.

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» But they required now,
>> right? because this is dealing with the

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the building permit for the entire
project.

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» Okay. I it it something still don't
sound right to me. Uh Mr. there. And

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I just think that we get somebody
dedicated because I I can't remember how

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many months ago, but this has been too
long working with this vendor and for us

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not to come back now to tell us it was
timed out. That should have been told to

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us back when it was timed out.
What was going on? I apologize for any

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any um delays and things that I that may
have caused on my end. Um I again as I

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mentioned I have been involved with the
city since 2008 and so this project is a

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project where I I I view it as in lack
of a better terms like my baby because

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we've been again we've been involved
with this for that that entire period of

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time and so it it I am dedicated to
making sure that we do what we need to

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do to to see this come to fruition just
because we've been involved with it for

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so long
and and and we do we do have everything

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that's needed um so that we can get
everything done as quickly as possible.

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» But I would I used to be a CPS child
protective service worker and if this is

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your baby, we would have you for
neglect.

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So I will hope from this point on I I
accept your apology because that's what

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I was waiting to hear because we was
told one thing and it what didn't

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happen. you sending us now. So, I'm just
asking the administration, the mayor to

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sign somebody. I don't care if it's a
council member or staff. We need

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consistency to make sure this things go
through as councilwoman Jones has said.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, for my
time.

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» Thank you, Councilman Williams. Uh,
Mayor Proton Ferguson.

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» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I want to address
the issue about the um the cost of the

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um permitting. I think it I'm thinking
roughly might be like 18,000, but um I

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think it was a figure of 91
um down payment, which I was made aware

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of. I mean, a week ago or so, and I had
a conversation with um Mr. Gardner um

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and we went back and forth with that. as
a matter of fact, spent some time on it

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because he originally wanted to uh
present it to to the um council

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to to get it done just by motion. And so
we went back and you know, you know, let

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them know that, you know, what the
charter says as far as anything $2,000

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up to 6,000,
but less than 6,000, we could um let us

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know 3 days ahead of time. But anything
6,000 or more, we had to do a

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resolution. And I mean, you know, I
guess um maybe what he's familiar with

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from other municipalities, whatever. But
the bottom line is we came to the

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conclusion that um a resolution had to
be done and I did tell him um well

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mentioned to him you know you know
you're going to have to do a resolution

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for the monies. So the fact that it is
not in this package I have a problem

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with that also um as councilwoman Jones
did because these are the type of things

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that that um that you know set us back.
I mean, this was mentioned. I mean, he

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still can he still can be put in this
package um for the public hearing, but

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the fact of the matter, it just should
have been done last week um when we

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talked about it. And so, um my I have a
problem with with the fact that it

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wasn't I was looking for it and I have a
problem that it's not in here because

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these are the little small things that
that um you know uh stagnate the um the

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projects. So, um I would like to um give
a directive to have that resolution done

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up and it needs to be in this packet so
that we can vote on it or whether we I

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don't know what we're going to do
whether we're going to go through the

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the regular um stage you know with the
public hearing and then they um you know

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I mean you know we need to get it voted
on this month. So again like I said it

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should have been done. Thank you mayor.

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Thank you,

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Councilwoman Cross.

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» Thank you so much. Yes. Uh so I did a
quick pull on our resolutions and

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different things and uh we right now
have $1,891

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um set aside for the FY26 capital budget
which has been identified for the two

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project lines. That's the elevator
project at $1,313

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$1,000. $1,313,000
and then $578,000

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for the nutrition center/chambers
for the city council upgrade. Now, that

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combines again to 1,891,000.

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So now the discussion that I go back to
um takes us back to just 2022. So you

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say you've been with this since 2008. We
definitely need to get an update um to

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update these budgetary numbers. But that
was the councilmatic decision on these

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chambers. And of course during that time
we all are familiar with the fact that

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we were under co monies and all of that
was part of the discussion plan for the

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center the bathrooms uh recognizing the
expenditures and the approvals. Now

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there was no amount identified or cited
at that time but then the ARPA financing

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source was identified at $300,000
and that was partitioned for fiscal year

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23 um and and to 24 and see that was
part of the capital planning. So for me,

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I mean, just right now, there seems to
be a lot of money that's just been

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chunked at this project for nothing
really to have come out of it. And

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00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:23,520
that's just 2022.
And then if we go into 2024,

416
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,359
uh you know, we had a city manager
project report and of course we've

417
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,079
switched through about four city
managers now. So the chambers and

418
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:39,200
nutrition center renovation was
discussed and that was back in March. So

419
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:46,000
the ARPA funding was a project activity
that was a that was provided to support

420
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:51,839
this project. And then we had another
procurement initiative that happened um

421
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:57,440
shortly after that dealing with the
elevator construction the RFP and that

422
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:05,760
appeared in legislation and then it was
approved. So that was late 24 to 25 and

423
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:12,160
that was resolution 12 2025.
So Miss Felder, I'm just I I am equally

424
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:17,839
as concerned as everyone else that has
spoken uh you know and I kick this off

425
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:22,560
by saying 18 years is a long time you
know to be waiting for something to be

426
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:26,560
delivered. Uh particularly when we look
at you know at least three or four

427
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:31,200
different contractors that have shifted
off this job. Now, I don't know what

428
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:36,000
role you would play into, you know,
seeking uh refunds from these

429
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:41,119
contractors that didn't complete the
task action, but we've had separate

430
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,720
capital lines for the elevator project,
the nutrition center, and the chamber

431
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:50,640
upgrades
um at least since 2022, May 17th of

432
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:57,440
2022.
So I I

433
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:02,240
every time that we ask about what's
going on, how much longer, uh it

434
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,960
shouldn't be, uh, you know, the round
robin because we're keeping record and

435
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:13,440
we're keeping track of the conversation
and we can't just wash, rinse, and

436
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:16,440
repeat. So, it seems to me that with
1,313,000

437
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:23,920
programmed for these projects that that
should be part of the permitting and

438
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:28,640
everything included, not another almost
$20,000

439
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:35,440
and a new resolution because that's part
of the proposed budgetary plan for these

440
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:41,440
projects. So, is there a reason why the
proposed budgetary plan uh at least like

441
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:48,079
I said, I'm just tracking back 2022
cannot be utilized to complete this. Why

442
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:53,520
do we keep getting nickeled and dimed is
my question relative to this project?

443
00:37:51,200 --> 00:38:01,359
And um I would appreciate some response
on that because again u I'm looking at

444
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:06,960
just at almost um $2.5
million. That's a lot of money that's

445
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:13,119
been allocated to these projects and
we're just refoundationing the council

446
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,359
chambers, you know, with a few upgrades.
Thank you.

447
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:26,480
» Thank you. Is that is that
>> that's for Miss Felder? I need some

448
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:31,040
clarity. Uh Miss Felder, are you the
project manager on this project?

449
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:36,160
» Yes. So So let me let me make sure it's
it's understood. When I say we started

450
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:40,880
working back in 2008, we started working
back with specific scopes of work. The

451
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:45,040
elevator project came up, but it was
stopped not because of us, but because

452
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:50,480
of the city. The city stopped the work.
And then we weren't contacted again

453
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:56,240
about it until I want to say um Miss
Beverly when the city manager Beverly I

454
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,800
I can't remember her last name. Do you
guys know who I'm talking about?

455
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:03,280
» Yes.
>> Habatada. Miss Beverly Habata. I what

456
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:08,720
that's when I that's when it came up
again on you all's end and she contacted

457
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:12,880
me because we were the architects who
had worked with the city previously and

458
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,480
the work stopped not because of us but
because of whatever was going on with

459
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,320
the city which I wasn't privy to. I
don't know what happened. All I know is

460
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:26,880
that the the projects just stopped.
Okay. And then years later, Miss Habata

461
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:33,440
contacted us um 2022, whatever it was,
2023, and said, "Hey, um the city is

462
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:37,280
interested in revitalizing the the um
elevator project." And then the the

463
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,240
nutrition center and council chambers
wasn't even part of it. That didn't come

464
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:46,400
until later. So So it's not this hasn't
been like an 18 year where I've been

465
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,720
involved and haven't produced and
money's been spent on this project and

466
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,800
things like that. No, not at all. We,
like I said, we started the project um

467
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:59,440
under a contract that was given with the
city of Glennard under design build. So,

468
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,440
our we were the architects that were
selected. The the I believe the contract

469
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,359
was directly with whatever the
contractor was, whoever the contractor

470
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:11,920
was at the time and then the city
stopped the project and then came back

471
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:16,320
to us years later and said we wanted to
revitalize the project and that's where

472
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:20,480
we came in again.
So, I hope I hope that brings brings a

473
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,800
little clarity to the timeline and the
time frame.

474
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:30,960
» That was with Corin Construction.
>> I I I was actually um yeah, Corick was

475
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,320
not involved in way back in the day when
we first started. That was another

476
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:38,480
contractor. I can't remember the name of
the contractor, but that was another

477
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:43,440
contractor who was involved back then.
coordinate came in when the elevator

478
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,720
project was definitive within what the
last year two years ago

479
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:49,280
» 24
>> right that's when they were introduced

480
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,920
to the project
>> and then before that was red leaf

481
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,880
architects
>> redlift group that's that's us that's me

482
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:03,520
redlift group architects is me
>> okay so we've had red lift red leaf

483
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,680
architects proposals
associated since 24 along with uh

484
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,800
» Cornic
>> and and um you've been with us and then

485
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:18,960
coordinate construction presented a new
design buildout proposal for the senior

486
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:26,960
center and the council chambers May 4th
of 2026 during a council work session.

487
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:34,240
And so now from that position when they
presented uh Carneck was directed to

488
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:39,119
forward the design bill to the
treasurer. Has that happened?

489
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Not not that I'm aware of.
>> Okay. That was council medicic direction

490
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:52,400
and that was given May 4th of 2026.
That's this year. Cornic was directed to

491
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:57,280
forward the design build contract
documents to the treasurer and the

492
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:04,000
council also discussed the storage for
the council room. So this is where we I

493
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:09,200
think as I know I am speaking for
myself. It is very concerning when you

494
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:18,160
say oh the city reached out to me the
city reached out to me. You are a hired

495
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:26,160
support to manage this project. Manage
it. And the city is like the parent.

496
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:30,720
Okay. And and you say hey mom dad we
need X. Mom Dad here's what's happening.

497
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:35,680
This is now falling off the B. This
contractor walked off the job. But there

498
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:40,640
the each time it's been the city had to
reach out and beg and ask what's going

499
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,960
on with our project. No more of that. I
I would ask that that's not where we're

500
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:51,839
at in the future because we definitely
gave direction on May 4th. That hasn't

501
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:57,119
been taken care of and we're sitting in
um my heavens, this is, you know,

502
00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:03,040
September. I I wasn't included on the
May 4th direction.

503
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:08,160
» Corin was. So maybe we follow up with uh
the teammates that came for Corin's work

504
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:13,760
session May 4th because that was the
direction forwarded to build design

505
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:18,079
contract to our treasurer so that we can
have an appreciation of what this looks

506
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:25,839
like. Uh and again [clears throat] we
put a budgetary allotment of one now

507
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:29,319
it's 1.891 891.
So 1,891,000

508
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:40,480
against this is set to be in the FY uh
well FY26 approved budget. Okay. So um I

509
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,880
just would like to see the finances
tighten up on this project. I would like

510
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:50,960
to see the project management, project
direction tighten up on this project and

511
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:57,040
don't yield to the city who is buying a
project to manage the project. We need a

512
00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:01,760
manager that, you know, works with our
city manager to get it done.

513
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,760
All right. We appreciate your time,
ma'am.

514
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:14,160
» All right. Thank you, Mr. Gardner. Did
you have a comment?

515
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:20,240
» Um, just a quick a quick comment. Um,
I um have been in touch with uh the

516
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:29,440
construction firm that was mentioned.
Um, I believe council um authorized that

517
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:35,040
firm to provide a proposal uh to the
city. Um, I I checked with the city

518
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:43,280
attorney. the city attorney had not
reviewed the proposal and at that time

519
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:50,880
um there hadn't been communications with
red left for some time and so I reached

520
00:44:46,319 --> 00:45:00,319
out to red to see what the status was uh
of the elevator project. The um proposal

521
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:07,440
from the other firm would have involved
um completely

522
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:14,319
doing doing new designs. Uh and it was a
design build proposal.

523
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Um I think uh the
best way forward for the city since Redl

524
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:26,560
is
uh has has submitted for permit. I think

525
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:34,640
the fastest way for the city to move the
project forward is to uh have the county

526
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:41,920
review ultimately approve the design
that REDLE has prepared. Um, with those

527
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:49,359
uh permitted plans, the city can go out
to bid and it can be a competitive bid

528
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:57,760
to identify the the best uh construction
firm that uh you want to see for this

529
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:03,119
project. Uh the city would also at that
time decide whether or not it needed its

530
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:06,160
own construction manager or whether red
left could do the construction

531
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:11,599
management.
um and kind of move forward from there.

532
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:18,240
The the city has budgeted
uh significant funds for the project. Uh

533
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:24,240
but um the vast majority of those funds
have not been spent. [snorts] I know the

534
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:31,280
the the current contract with REDLE is I
think for less than $30,000

535
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:38,800
that involves the submission of the um
drawings for permit approval. But we

536
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:43,560
will get you the total amount spent um
probably just in a in a day or two.

537
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:53,200
» I do have a question. [clears throat] Um
so with the drawings being sent for

538
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:57,599
permitting, who owns the drawings? Does
the city own the drawings or does

539
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:01,920
Retliff own the drawings? Miss Felder?
Well, technically Rhett owns the the

540
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,520
copyright of the drawings because I I am
the architect of record on the project.

541
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:12,240
So, I am the one who stamps the
drawings. Uh so, they they come under my

542
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:16,000
my my purview um for that. And so, then,
you know, that's why when we submit

543
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,240
everything, then they come back with
comments, we do what we have to do to

544
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:25,359
address whatever comments we have so
that we can get the the approvals from

545
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:28,000
from the from the um the county.
>> Okay. Okay. So, any back and forth is

546
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,640
handled by your company.
>> Correct.

547
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,760
» Okay.
All right.

548
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:40,720
» And and just um I'm sorry, I didn't mean
to. May I say anything? Yeah. One more

549
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:46,160
thing. Um and what I did was I made sure
that Mr. Gardner has access to the

550
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:52,319
permit portal as well. So, he'll be able
to see the progress of the permit review

551
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:55,319
as we go along.
>> Okay.

552
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:01,880
All right.
Thank you.

553
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Is there any uh further questions for
Miss Felder before we move on?

554
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:19,040
So, as we sum it up, what's Oh, I'm
sorry. Uh, Councilwoman Cross.

555
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:27,040
» Hi. Yes. Thank you so much. I I would
just like to have those plans um once

556
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:32,160
again made available uh for you know a
releaseable version for the city for the

557
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:37,440
people so they can understand what the
new design bill proposal looks like and

558
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:42,800
that way we have a formal record of it
being sent and an acceptance email if

559
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:48,559
you will from the treasur uh on the
proposed document uh because I'm not

560
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:54,400
aware of the treasur measure of sending
us anything that gives us, you know, a

561
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:58,800
solid appreciation of what this project
is going to cost. I don't want any

562
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:04,040
project overruns and we don't want any
more uh scope creep on this project.

563
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Thank you,

564
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:17,440
» Councilman Williams.
Question. Uh, I've heard a statement

565
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:22,640
that Red Leaf, whatever the company is,
Red something owns owns the plans. My

566
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:29,040
question, at what point do we own the
plan? Have we paid to

567
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:32,440
do the work? What at what point do we
own the plans?

568
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:40,559
» I'm sorry, I was muted. Um, once uh the
the final fees are paid to me per my

569
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:46,960
contract, then you own the plans. And
then also you you you are the applicant.

570
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Um I'm just acting as your agent, but
for the permit, you are named the city

571
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:56,319
is named as the applicant on the on the
actual permit. So So it'll say to the

572
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:01,200
city of Glennard um on the on the
permits.

573
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:07,040
» I understand that. But if that's the
case, then at that point when

574
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,559
you submit or you said you already
submitted it,

575
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,240
» correct?
>> Don't we own the plans? Because if it's

576
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,880
our project and we our permit and we
submitting the plan, is it our

577
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:21,520
ownership? Wouldn't it be our ownership?
>> Yeah. Once once the the final fees are

578
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,119
paid on on the contract to Rutniff
Group,

579
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:31,280
» you didn't ask my question. I asked you
a direct question. You submitted permit

580
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,599
with our name under our name.
>> Correct.

581
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:38,960
» So, are you saying that we don't own the
plans with a permit that's already

582
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:43,520
submitted with our name on? Well, when I
I I think that the it's getting confused

583
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:47,359
what it means owns the plan. When you
say owns the plans, what what are you

584
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:50,000
what exactly are you referring to? Just
so I can make sure we're we're talking

585
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,640
about the same thing.
>> What do you what do you the issue is

586
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:59,280
with you? One usually think you own own
the pan, you have control of the plans.

587
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:04,640
» So So as right so as the architect of
record, I am responsible for the plans.

588
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:10,079
I'm I am taking ownership of the
information and the details and things

589
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:15,599
that are within those plans. So, so
that's why another architect couldn't

590
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:21,760
come and just take my plans and and and
you know claim them as their own because

591
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:26,000
we have copyright um laws that are with
when architects produce drawings and

592
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,040
they stamp drawings.
So as the city

593
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:34,000
» but if they change
if they change if they change your

594
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:38,960
drawing then you it's like any copyright
is change is another is is so I get okay

595
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,200
I I got what I want. Thank you very much
Mr. Mayor.

596
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:52,040
» Thank you.
All right. Are there any other questions

597
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,040
for Miss Felter?

598
00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:06,079
So summing everything up, the balls in
our court as relates to the permanent

599
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:11,440
process for the elevator and the
um council chambers and nutrition

600
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:15,599
center. Correct.
>> That's correct. So with the elevator,

601
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:19,359
the ball is in your court in terms of
the fees. All I need to know for the

602
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:25,200
nutrition center, like I said, the
drawings are like 60 65% complete. All I

603
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:30,240
need to know is the if the way that we
have it laid out is acceptable to the

604
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:35,040
city and then that way we can just
finish up the final details for that so

605
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,359
that that can get submitted as well.
>> Okay. So that's not impermanent. Only

606
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,720
the elevator projects impermanent.
>> Correct.

607
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:49,520
» Okay.
All right. And Mr. Garner, the total for

608
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:56,079
that permitting is what?
>> Uh the total is just under uh $20,000

609
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:00,680
for the elevator permitting. The first
payment is just under 10.

610
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,760
» To be exact, it's $9,998
and87.

611
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:09,920
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

612
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,040
» All right,
>> Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. One one quick

613
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:20,160
thing to just for clarification. I
believe, Miss Felder, the current

614
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:26,319
contract the city has
uh does not include your providing the

615
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,599
construction drawings for the council
chambers and the nutrition center. Is

616
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,079
that correct?
>> No, it does.

617
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:39,760
» It does include Okay. Okay. My my
mistake. So, um,

618
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:46,160
you need a green light on whether to
proceed with that and, uh, we need to

619
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,880
pay the fees so that the, uh, elevator
project can be reviewed.

620
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,880
» That's correct.
>> And, and how much is owed on the

621
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:57,280
contract with Red Lift?
>> Um, I don't. Do you do you have that

622
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:00,640
with you, Mr. I don't have it in front
of me. I'm sorry. I

623
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:05,440
» I do not. I just remember that the the
the total cost of your most recent

624
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:08,440
contract, I believe, was less than
$30,000.

625
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:14,480
» Okay.
>> I I I can have that information over

626
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:20,400
tomorrow to Mr. Gardner.
>> All right. Thank you. Uh final comment

627
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,280
to Councilwoman Cross and then we can
move on.

628
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:30,960
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And also for the
Cornick uh design um budget documents,

629
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:36,079
we need that as well, please. Um because
I I don't recall the treasur ever

630
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:41,760
sending those out to us. The Cornick was
supposed to send us the design bill

631
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:46,880
contract documents as well so that we
can understand how that's being priced

632
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,520
out for each of those designs. Can you
send us that as well?

633
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:56,240
I I will touch base with Cornick on
that. Yes. Well,

634
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:02,160
» um and I'm sorry I can um add to that.
Uh we we do have the proposal from

635
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:10,400
Cornick that was uh for a full uh design
build uh based on conceptual drawings,

636
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:19,200
not on approved uh permitted plans.
And I I say that to emphasize that it's

637
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:24,480
hard to get a hard number from uh
conceptual plans, but I believe the

638
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:28,640
documents that they provided to me were
documents that they had provided to the

639
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,000
council, but I I will make sure you get
those.

640
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:37,280
» Uh thank you, Mr. Garner. I appreciate
that. Uh I am I appreciate and I'm also

641
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:40,559
concerned by the statement because we're
paying a permit on conceptional plans.

642
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,839
stand.
>> No, no, I'm I'm sorry.

643
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:54,640
Very two separate two separate
proposals, two separate tracks. Um,

644
00:55:51,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Miss Miss Felder and her firm are
finishing up uh construction drawings

645
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:08,559
that will be permitted. Uh and once they
are stamped and permitted by the county

646
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:16,240
uh the city can uh ask for construct
construction companies to bid on

647
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:24,559
building that project. The proposal from
uh Cornick was to do a design build and

648
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:30,160
they would do their own elevator design
and then they would be the contractor to

649
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:38,160
build that project.
Um, so, um, the the

650
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:44,960
the quickest way I think to get to a
competitive bid for a new elevator

651
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:52,960
would be to
um get the plans approved by

652
00:56:50,079 --> 00:57:01,520
uh, Redliff.
The other option would be to to stop

653
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:07,440
that process and go with another firm
whether it's Cornic or somebody else but

654
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:13,920
that firm would have to essentially
start the design from the beginning.

655
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:19,440
» I I understand that Mr. Gardner uh
Redlev had communicated earlier that

656
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:27,040
there was a proposal submitted and it
termed out. So we are we are submitting

657
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:32,544
the same old proposal. Uh there was some
new additions to the proposal because

658
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:39,280
it's the same building and the same
[music]

659
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:45,920
need. So um I'm I again uh we'll discuss
offline but I I am going to say I'm

660
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:51,200
concerned about that proposal now being
submitted. We already had it submitted

661
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:56,160
once it timed out. Is it the same
proposal that we're bringing back for

662
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:01,359
another permit?
And what happened to the old permit

663
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,960
money? I mean, we sought a permit, it
timed out. Do you just lose it? The

664
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:09,920
county keeps your money.
>> That that um I I think it's it's a

665
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:15,359
little um confusion there. That first
one was there was no permit fee paid

666
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:19,599
because that wasn't um the county's
review. That was park and planning was

667
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:24,640
reviewing. There was no fees associated
with that at that time. So, this is the

668
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:27,440
first time that I'm asking um the for
fees for the actual permit from the

669
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,400
county.
>> Thank you, ma'am.

670
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,400
» Okay.

671
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:41,720
» Okay. Thank you, Miss Felder.
>> Thank you very much, everyone.

672
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:49,760
[clears throat]
>> All right. Next item on the agenda

673
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:56,720
is the resolution to extend the contract
with GCI residential. Um Mr. Gardner,

674
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:02,960
it's my understanding that you also
wanted to discuss this in close session

675
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:08,079
as relates to this contract.
>> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Um there couple

676
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:19,520
things that I want to make sure council
is aware of. Um the current contract

677
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:25,680
with uh GCI uh ends at September 27th
and we need to come to an agreement with

678
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:31,440
them uh prior to that. And so I'd ask
that um you introduce a resolution

679
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:37,760
tonight. We can have a close session
discussion. There will be a public

680
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:44,799
hearing and council can uh make
amendments. um as they desire uh before

681
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:51,920
the final vote, but we would want it to
be approved on the 21st.

682
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:58,880
And um I apologize. I thought that the
two options that they had provided

683
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:03,680
um were included in the packet and and
they were not and I I emailed them to

684
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:08,160
you separately uh just a couple hours
ago, a few hours ago.

685
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:14,079
Um
essentially,

686
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:18,880
um GCI has proposed
uh one option which is a one-year

687
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:28,640
agreement
and the rate would go from $31.75

688
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:36,640
per household to uh $349
per household per month

689
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:44,319
or a two-year extension.
where the price would go from 3175

690
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:51,040
to 3317
and then the second year there be a 4%

691
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:56,559
increase.
Now, there are some questions that I've

692
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:04,799
asked uh the company to respond to
regarding other fees related to uh the

693
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:11,839
county tipping fee cost and um a
possible increase for fuel search charge

694
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:17,359
that I haven't gotten response to yet,
but we can still um get a dis we can

695
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:23,520
still discuss in close session if you
wish um and get direction on how you

696
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:29,040
want to proceed,
but I I wouldn't want you to approve or

697
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:37,319
I'm sorry, I would want you to introduce
a resolution tonight.

698
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:37,319
» Okay. Thank you, Councilman Williams.

699
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:49,760
I just want to make a recommendation
that we come back and discuss

700
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:56,559
Miss Felders
um and and moving forward.

701
01:01:53,040 --> 01:02:01,440
I I don't feel comfortable with her. I
don't tr I don't trust her. That's just

702
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:06,240
me and I want to get feedback from the
council. So, we can do it today or

703
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:10,400
another meeting, but I I I would like to
have a

704
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:17,920
conversation, followup conversation with
the council members of what she said and

705
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:21,200
uh what she said she did.
>> Thank you.

706
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:26,480
» Is that a a topic that we could discuss
in tonight's close session or does it

707
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:29,960
have to be open?
>> I can't hear you.

708
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:40,319
It's a open it's it's open.
Um there's nothing closed about it that

709
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:46,960
I would think it could be closed about.
So it would be topic of such a

710
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:53,960
discussion follow up her her um
interview or her presentation.

711
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,960
» Okay.

712
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:04,119
» All right. Um so R-04-2027

713
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:12,799
resolution to extend contract with GCI
is still introduced tonight. Uh council

714
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:21,079
will discuss the terms and the close
session. Um and then it will go to

715
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,079
public hearing next week.

716
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:32,400
Okay. any
Okay, we'll just move on.

717
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:37,599
Um,
so this

718
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:42,400
slight error we this a resolution
R-05-2027

719
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,839
resolution to hire a new police chief.
That resolution was already introduced,

720
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:51,200
so we don't need a new number for it. It
was introduced uh in 2026. We just need

721
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:56,559
to vote on it. Um, so we'll find that
resolution. Um, it's already been to a

722
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:01,920
public hearing. We just need to the
chiefest has been hired uh but as a

723
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:07,839
formality we just need to pass the
resolution.

724
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:14,359
Uh next is the resolution for removal
and replacement of heat pump uh

725
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:14,359
R-06-2027

726
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:20,839
um
and the related

727
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:27,200
well
Mr. Are these two different things

728
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:32,319
removal and replacement of the heat pump
and replacement

729
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:36,720
of motor for heat pump? Why are these in
two separate resolutions?

730
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:46,000
» Yeah, there they're sort of two options
for council to consider. Um the um we I

731
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:52,480
had indicated to council earlier that uh
a motor was going to cost uh $4,000 when

732
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:57,440
the contractor expected it to be less
than two and there was questions as to

733
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:02,880
whether we could find a less expensive
motor. Uh we were not able to find a

734
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:11,359
less expensive motor. Um his
recommendation is to replace the entire

735
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:17,039
unit. Um the cost to replace the entire
unit uh which includes a piece on the

736
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:29,440
roof and includes controls in the
building um would be $20,000 58.

737
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:39,119
Um the unit uh is obsolete. the freon in
it is not the freon that is permitted at

738
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:46,480
this time. Um, we did have a proposal
for the same replacement with a

739
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:53,119
different brand unit uh in February and
that was for about $24,000.

740
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:58,559
Um, I reached out to the firm to see if
that price was still good and they were

741
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:08,079
going to send me confirmation and I have
not received it yet.

742
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:17,280
But council could either um just replace
the motor for $6,200 and some dollars or

743
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:23,119
uh replace the entire unit which would
be a little over $20,000.

744
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:29,200
Okay.
Thank you. Uh, Councilwoman Jones.

745
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,880
» Thank you, Mayor Curtis. I'm due to
going through this same process with my

746
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:37,200
residential home. My air conditioner
went out August the 11th, and I'm going

747
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:42,880
through this same thing. I would like to
see a proposal or invoice or work order

748
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:49,440
telling us uh exactly what we're getting
for $20,000. How many? You said this is

749
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:54,720
a uh 4 ton, but what's the uh energy
rate on it? What's the sear that we're

750
01:06:51,599 --> 01:07:00,079
getting? And if the old unit, if you
want to replace the motor and it's

751
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:05,200
obsolete, which nowadays, if the if it
doesn't meet the freon that used to be

752
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:10,079
back in the day, it they're not going to
support it's not going to be supported.

753
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:15,520
So why would we get a motor when um
there's going to be no support for if we

754
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:20,240
need Freon? They can't replace the Freon
because they don't have that that uh

755
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:26,400
Freon available anymore. So I would like
to see a complete invoice with the uh

756
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:31,039
scope of work and a a proposal that
they're giving us and a picture of the

757
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:37,359
unit. I mean, all of this should have
come, you know. Um, so what you're

758
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:43,440
saying is you sent us uh uh these two
resolutions, six and seven. One is for a

759
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:48,559
motor and one is for a new unit because
you didn't you didn't think we would

760
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:53,920
know which one we wanted. Is am I am I
correct?

761
01:07:50,319 --> 01:08:01,039
Um I I thought it was a decision for for
the council to make and um there there

762
01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:07,520
is a proposal attached to uh each
resolution. Um it does not include the

763
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:14,079
sear or the efficiency rating for the
unit, but I can I'll happy to get that

764
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:20,000
information. Uh but it is for a Goodman
brand heat pump. It it uh it does come

765
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:25,920
with a 10-year parts warranty and
one-year labor warranty.

766
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:32,719
» The resolutions that I have 06 has
nothing attached to it. Uh and 07 has a

767
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:41,600
resolutions from all seasons mechanical
and it's very to me uh

768
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:47,600
vague and in scope of work and proposal,
but that was for the motor. $6,000 for a

769
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:53,520
motor. So, I'd like to see the proposal
for the new unit and and why to the

770
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:58,640
council, to the city manager, why invest
in a motor that you may not be able to

771
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,159
service
uh like I said, if the Freon is not

772
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:10,159
available,
right? the um the proposal for the uh

773
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:15,600
$20,000 unit replacement
should be in the packet immediately

774
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:19,440
following uh the end of the uh
resolution

775
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:27,759
um
R06.

776
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:32,880
Um and uh I I agree. I I I think that um
you're better off replacing the the full

777
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:43,520
unit.
Uh but um I had heard that um the option

778
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:51,520
had been provided uh previously and uh
at that time council wasn't interested

779
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:57,120
in uh investing that money. Um, so,
uh, I it's it's council's call.

780
01:09:54,719 --> 01:10:00,560
» So, this unit, is it for the entire city
hall or just for the downstairs, the

781
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,440
lower level area?
>> It's just for for part of the lower

782
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,760
level.
>> Part of the lower level area. And then

783
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:13,760
we're considering uh doing renovations
to the lower level. How would this

784
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:19,040
spending that money, how would it affect
uh Okay, we got a new unit. I guess

785
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:25,440
they'll just probably have to work
around the new unit with the during the

786
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:29,840
re renovations. Okay, I I see that. But
like I said, um because we didn't

787
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:35,040
receive our uh I didn't receive a
packet. I had to piece together what I

788
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:43,280
have. I do not have a uh scope of work
proposal or invoice for this $20,000

789
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:51,040
unit. Thank you, Mayor Curtis.
>> Thank you. Uh as as I recall um former

790
01:10:49,040 --> 01:11:00,159
director of public works recommended
that we get the system replaced. Um

791
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:05,199
I think I Mr. Nicholls
um had it

792
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:11,600
looked at and presented something to the
council. I think Mr. Garner said we the

793
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:18,400
council decided not to go with it. Uh, I
would hate to throw

794
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:23,920
money at a, you know, at a lost cost. I
I will say that the building is, you

795
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:30,400
know, relatively old and so I would like
to see an assessment of all the HVAC

796
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:36,480
systems. Are they working? Are they not?
Um, you know,

797
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:43,760
as Mr. Councilwoman Jones just said I
would not put a motor in the old system

798
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:48,239
that I couldn't even get serviced. Um so
uh if you can provide all the

799
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:54,800
information that council was asking for
that'll be great. Um and

800
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:59,040
uh additionally
get the other systems in the building

801
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:03,280
checked out so we can have an idea of
what that will look like as well.

802
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:07,440
Councilman Jones.
>> Thank you. Mayor Curtis, uh, Mr. Gardner

803
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:11,440
also presented us in one of his emails
saying that the build, the entire

804
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:15,040
building needed a uh, uh, like an
evaluation.

805
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:20,400
» Uh, and I think that needs to be done
because it is an older building. Um it

806
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:25,280
there's a lot of things that need to be
addressed, you know, um and I'm sure a

807
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:30,159
lot of things that will be found once we
do this elevator and the renovations of

808
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,679
the other areas that we're discussing,
but and the electrical work that should

809
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,000
have been done in the gold room three or
four years ago when it was first bought

810
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:42,239
up that has not been done yet. There's
just, you know, a lot of uh issues in

811
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:48,560
the building that that are not being
addressed. I mean, I look at the the the

812
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:51,679
city hall Like I look at my home, I
there are certain maintenance issues

813
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,159
that I have to do every year. And
because maintenance issues have not been

814
01:12:53,440 --> 01:13:01,520
done in city hall on a regular basis,
now they're getting to the point where

815
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:07,840
you you either going to uh swim or sink.
So uh I I think that uh uh him

816
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:11,520
presenting the information about getting
the the whole build an evaluation for

817
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:16,640
the entire building to find out where we
are, it would be uh feasible at this

818
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,679
time. And then because it's and then
with the air conditioner because it's

819
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:26,400
getting um cooler now outside. I I know
I wouldn't want to have you know the

820
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:29,920
citizens or anybody uh the employees in
the building burning up. But if it's

821
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:34,320
something that we can you know at this
juncture kind of slow down on because it

822
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:39,199
is getting cooler and we may not need
the air conditioning um that we can move

823
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:45,239
forward and you know uh get this
addressed properly you know. Thank you.

824
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:55,920
Mr. Garner,
>> I'm sorry. Just quickly, um, this this

825
01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:01,199
heat pump um does provide both uh
cooling and heating and apparently there

826
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:08,239
were times last year in the space when
the space was was very very cold because

827
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:12,400
it couldn't heat the space properly.
>> Okay.

828
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:19,120
Thank you.
All right. on to R-8-2027

829
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:24,000
resolution for snow and ice removal
service.

830
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:30,239
Councilwoman Jones,
I got this resolution and when I pulled

831
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:37,520
it up, it gave me a RZZ 2026. It looks
like an old resolution from maybe when

832
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:46,000
we I don't know cuz it's got 2026 27 uh
dates on it. But when it's if like I

833
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:51,120
said it has an RZZ 2026 at the ref of
the resolution number.

834
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:56,239
So, but I'm looking at the rest of the
resolution and it does have 2026 dates

835
01:14:53,840 --> 01:15:03,360
on it. So, hopefully the information
that that was given um concerning the

836
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:08,159
contract is uh
what it's supposed to be. But that

837
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:13,280
resolution number is when I pulled up
RO8, you know, just went to and clicked

838
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:18,400
on and and it came printed out. It
printed out RZZ 2026. So I don't know

839
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:23,679
what that is.
>> Yeah. On uh as I pull it up, I can show

840
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,600
you. Hold on a second.
>> And then the contract is not attached to

841
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,600
it.

842
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:37,040
» You are correct. The contract is not
attached to it. Let me bring it up real

843
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:40,600
quick so you can everyone can see what
we're talking about.

844
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:54,800
You are correct. The the um
contract is not attached. This is

845
01:15:52,800 --> 01:16:01,280
authorizing it should it should have
been attached. Um this is authorizing an

846
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:08,560
extension of the existing contract but
not a new one. Um,

847
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:11,880
and there we go. Let me
make it bigger.

848
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:23,440
Uh, at the at a new rate of of 125.
What's the current rate, Mr. Garner?

849
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:27,880
» Uh, the rate that was charged last year
was 115.

850
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:37,440
And so this is to to in this current
contract, we have an extension uh but we

851
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:44,120
can extend for an additional $10 per
hour

852
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,120
for a snow truck.

853
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:54,800
But council clerk, if you could get
this, well, if you could email this to

854
01:16:52,400 --> 01:17:00,080
council members, I know this is online,
but if you could just directly email it

855
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:02,640
to the council, that would be great. And
uh

856
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:07,199
» if we could also get the original
contract and forward it as well in the

857
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:10,199
same email, that would be great.
>> Okay.

858
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,440
Okay.

859
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:20,040
Where's my cursor? Thank you.

860
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,480
All right.

861
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:41,600
Last uh legislation is R-9-2027
resolution sustainable Maryland.

862
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,239
Are there any questions or comments
related to that resolution?

863
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:00,239
Mr. Garner, do you have any comments as
relates to um [clears throat] this

864
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:05,199
resolution?
>> Very briefly, uh Sustainable Maryland

865
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:11,520
has been around for I don't know, I
think 20 20 years plus or minus. Um

866
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:18,400
all other Prince George's County
municipalities at this point uh have

867
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:25,840
been um participants and they would love
to get the city of Glennon Arden to join

868
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:32,880
and uh it seems like we if we join we
would be perhaps the 100th municipality

869
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:38,560
to join and they have an event scheduled
in October where they said that they

870
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:43,239
would uh recognize us if we went ahead
uh signed or passed the resolution.

871
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:53,000
» Okay.
Any questions? Councilwoman Jones.

872
01:18:53,760 --> 01:19:02,159
» Thank you. Uh yeah, the uh city of Glenn
Arden was uh a member of Sustainable

873
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:06,000
Maryland uh Councilwoman Een uh years
ago. Well, not years ago, it wasn't that

874
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:11,760
long ago, uh had written up all the
documentation and everything for us to

875
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:15,000
be uh part of sustainable Maryland.
Thank you,

876
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:21,360
» Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson.
>> I basically was going to say say the

877
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:28,480
same thing because I think I
co-sponsored with um Councilwoman E.

878
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,560
um as we can
go back and look and see if we can see

879
01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:38,719
the resolution, but we were
um in that program. Thank you, Maya.

880
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:42,239
» Okay.
Do you know approximately what year that

881
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:46,960
might have been? I would like to look it
up.

882
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:54,320
» Um it had to be between um 17 20 2017
and 20 21.

883
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:59,440
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Council on Jones.

884
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:03,040
» And I may still have the paperwork, so
if I have it, I'll uh uh it's

885
01:20:01,860 --> 01:20:06,320
[clears throat] a lot, so I'll just drop
it off to you.

886
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:12,480
» Thank you.
>> Okay.

887
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:17,040
Uh oh, sorry, Councilwoman Cross.
>> And um I'm looking at the resolution and

888
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:23,840
I'm not seeing like what's your
proposal? Uh sustainable Maryland is

889
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:31,440
about sustaining something either, you
know, um the monach butterfly or, you

890
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:36,960
know, the honeybee or something. What is
it that we're sustaining? Uh there are

891
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:43,199
cities that, you know, have sheep
roaming because uh the drops help, you

892
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:50,880
know, certain grass that grows in their
area. So, what is it that this proposal

893
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:56,800
seeks to provide? And and and that's the
thing. Um not just that we want to have

894
01:20:54,640 --> 01:21:03,679
something on the books, but that we have
a plan. You know, the resolutions have

895
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:10,320
to have a a a real plan relative to how
are we sustaining Maryland's precious

896
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:15,840
resources. Um do we have we thought
about that? I I haven't been inquired as

897
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:19,760
to what we would like to see as a
sustainable plan or even maybe this is

898
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:25,280
something where our citizens need to
have a you know to speak up about what

899
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:29,040
it means to be sustainable. Th this is
one of the concerns that I have with

900
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:32,320
this legislation. We don't just do
things so that we can get our names

901
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,840
written in some record book. We do it
because it matters for the

902
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:40,000
sustainability of something that's
either in extinction or almost going

903
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:45,120
into extinction. And so we are
partnering with the state to preserve

904
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:48,880
those particulars
things a certain grass a certain

905
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:52,880
butterfly for example that are
pollinators. Have we thought about it

906
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:58,080
that way
Mr. Gardner?

907
01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:05,760
» Sure. Thank you. Uh this resolution is
only to have the city be registered with

908
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:12,560
sustainable Maryland and um in terms of
the requirements, it just requires the

909
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:19,520
council pass a resolution. Uh the next
step if council so desires would be to

910
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:24,480
get certified and put together a plan
and that plan would include some of the

911
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:31,040
actions and commitments that you were
referencing.

912
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:37,520
So, um that uh could be the direction
that council chooses to go,

913
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:42,960
but that's not this particular step.
this would um put us in a network of

914
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:49,440
other communities uh give us an
opportunity to see what they're doing uh

915
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:56,800
get some ideas uh possibly
um make us eligible for some uh grant

916
01:22:52,480 --> 01:23:01,199
money and and then we could consider if
the city would like to move forward with

917
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:09,600
certification
as a similar process and program. Uh the

918
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:17,440
city also needs to
decide if it wishes to become part of

919
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:21,040
the sustainable communities designation
which is a department of housing and

920
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:28,080
community development
program. Unfortunately our designation

921
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:35,360
lapsed some some years ago and we have
to go through the process if we choose

922
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:41,600
to to meet those requirements again. and
it's kind of a similar plan to the uh

923
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:48,880
certification program.
So, there's an opportunity for us to

924
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:52,560
kind of work on both if council wishes.
>> Okay.

925
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:56,120
Thank you,
Councilman Williams.

926
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:06,560
I would say
that

927
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:10,960
we have a plan.
Mayor Pro Tim

928
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:17,679
Ferguson
and Councilwoman

929
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:25,440
Jones just articulated that
former council member Een worked on a

930
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:32,239
plan and we uh voted on a plan somewhere
between 17 and 21. So a plan is out

931
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:37,440
there. Our commitment to it is already
out there.

932
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:43,440
So this may
not be necessary to vote on this because

933
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:48,239
or it may be something to just formality
because we already committed to having a

934
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:52,320
sustainable plan.
Thank you.

935
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:57,280
» Thanks. Can we find that and we could
just motion that at our next meeting? Uh

936
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:06,600
if we are able to find it, send it out
to council members and then we just the

937
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:06,600
motion to continue [clears throat] with

938
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:13,480
» Yes, I'll look forward.
>> Okay. Thank you.

939
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:22,239
All right. Uh we're on to our topics of
discussion. Uh the first topic we're

940
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,239
going to do I so I don't forget about
it. Councilwoman Jones, you said you

941
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:30,880
want to make a request regarding
reports.

942
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:36,880
» Yeah. Um, like I said in our packet this
time, what I was able to piece together

943
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:44,560
from what you sent, we only got the, um,
code enforcement report, um,

944
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:50,080
media communications, HR's report. Uh,
but the other reports, I didn't see, um,

945
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:55,040
the police chief report. I didn't see
the public uh the um city manager report

946
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:59,679
and like I said those reports are not
necessarily

947
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:04,320
uh for us but for for the citizens to
also see have an idea of what goes on in

948
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:08,880
the community. Uh like I said with the
police report I've had citizens come up

949
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:13,199
to me and talking about some petition
that I had going around to uh get rid of

950
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:17,440
the police department which is so far
from the truth. I don't know who would I

951
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:22,000
mean I the first time I heard it I just
let it go. But then when I heard it

952
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:30,239
again the same time two weeks later, um
um I I I just we need a police report.

953
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:34,400
We need a police department. Uh I am not
against having a police department. I am

954
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:39,199
a proponent of making sure that we have
one because we've had one for so many

955
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:45,360
years that the community policing uh the
police chiefs that we've had prior have

956
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:50,080
been exemplary. Uh and I expect this to
continue in the city of Glenn Arden. So

957
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,199
if anybody comes to your door and says
that this is a petition that

958
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:59,760
Councilwoman Jones is behind to get rid
of the police department, that is so far

959
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:03,760
from the truth. It it's an outright lie
to the citizens of the city of Glenn

960
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:10,880
Arden. Uh I would like to see a police
report. Uh like I said, I want to see

961
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:14,960
the county's uh report that they send
every that we can get every month about

962
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:20,400
calls for service. I know in the past
we've had calls for service between 600

963
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:24,080
to 400 calls for service a month. So I
want to continue to see that and

964
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:28,000
continue that the citizens see that so
that they will know that we definitely

965
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:35,280
need a police department in our
community. Uh thank you uh Manager Green

966
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:39,840
and code enforcement for your impeccable
report that you send every month that

967
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:44,320
has all of the information needed to
understand what your department does and

968
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:49,120
what they are doing. uh Mr. Green's
report is an example for the rest of uh

969
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:56,400
the managers in the city of Glenard to
be an example of uh as giving us

970
01:27:54,080 --> 01:28:00,560
information concerning what's going on
in that particular department. Thank

971
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:06,960
you, Mayor Curtis.
>> Thank you. Uh and just as we,

972
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:13,840
you know, are opening up this uh new
sess legislative session,

973
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:18,560
um you know, tuning some things up as we
move forward, making sure, Mr. Gardner,

974
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:22,639
that all of the
um administrative reports are to you at

975
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:30,480
a certain time so they can come to the
council at a certain time. [snorts] So,

976
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:39,760
uh we fully expect the the reports to be
done by the it should be done by the

977
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:48,000
20th um uh to to come to us as a council
um for so example for example on

978
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:54,000
se I mean it's late but September 20th
we should be able to have

979
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:57,520
um the prior months
reports so that we can discuss them at

980
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:02,960
the next
work session. Uh but whatever timing it

981
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:08,239
needs to come to you. Um I don't know
what all goes in there cuz 20th is being

982
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:14,000
very generous. Uh I don't think it
should take that long, but uh it should

983
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,760
come to you first and come to to us. Uh
Councilman [clears throat]

984
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:20,800
Jones,
>> it is Thank you. It is definitely

985
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:26,560
outlined in the council rules as to when
those reports should get to the council

986
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:32,080
clerk in order to distribute them to the
council for the work session. Thank you.

987
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,199
» Yep. Sure is. And I think it's it's
somewhere around there, but you can

988
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,880
check.
Uh Mayor Proton Ferguson.

989
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:43,600
» Yeah, I was basically going to say that
thank you, Mayor. Uh the same thing that

990
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:50,239
um Councilwoman Jones said, but I think
it's it's sooner than that. um because

991
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:55,840
they should be um having enough time so
that um the clerk can do whatever they

992
01:29:52,800 --> 01:30:01,280
needs to do do to do and even um I think
we just need to get the the rules out.

993
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:07,440
Uh maybe we need to go over them again,
but um I think in some cases um

994
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:16,639
documentations and um different things
are given to the clerk um

995
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:22,400
too late. um you just can't give like a
not necessarily this particular um

996
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:28,719
incident but you can't just give a a
legislation on you know Thursday or

997
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:35,600
Friday you know evening and and and
think it's you know it's supposed to be

998
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:38,880
in the in the uh the next working day
Monday. So there there are some rules

999
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:43,199
and regulations. So we need to make sure
that we get into administrations. Um and

1000
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:47,040
we also need to decide of course whether
we want to um for the most part it's

1001
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:52,719
going to be the same but I think we may
need to go over how we um

1002
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:57,840
um because I don't think we have done
that and I think since

1003
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:02,480
um
I think when u former counselor was so

1004
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:08,120
that was last administration. Thank you
mayor.

1005
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,120
Thank you.

1006
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:17,360
All right,
moving [clears throat] on. First item is

1007
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:22,080
the GCI extension which we will punt to
the close session. Um the official

1008
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:31,520
swearing in. Next item is the official
swearing in of Chief Henderson which if

1009
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:35,280
it's okay with Chief Henderson.
Um, I don't know if you guys want to do

1010
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:40,760
that as a separate ceremony or you want
to do it as a part of the regular

1011
01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:40,760
session this month.

1012
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:48,440
Um, Council Cross,
>> um, usually that's a separate

1013
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:55,679
ceremony for Chief Henderson, but also,
uh, we just received a bid proposal from

1014
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:59,760
council clerk on the snow and ice
control services. I don't know if you

1015
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:06,159
need to update the date here, but it
originally says issued in 25 with a term

1016
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:09,920
contract one year to begin January 26.
So, I believe that needs to be updated.

1017
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:15,520
Madam,
you just sent it to us an email just for

1018
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:18,520
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.

1019
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:25,360
Um,
Chief Peterson, if you can is he on?

1020
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:31,199
Yeah.
think of sometimes I know that your your

1021
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:35,080
family want to be a part of it. Um
I don't know what we

1022
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:41,520
» Yeah, it's a separate ceremony and
there's you know the citizens are

1023
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:50,080
invited to come out. Uh the family is
there uh sworn in. We do have some light

1024
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:53,040
uh orders. Um you know it's it's usually
done that way.

1025
01:32:51,440 --> 01:33:00,400
» Yeah.
So if if you want to connect with me uh

1026
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:05,920
Chief Henderson offline, we can uh sync
schedules and send that invite out um so

1027
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:13,520
that we can move forward with that and
invite you know your guest list uh as

1028
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:17,440
well as anyone any others who would like
to attend.

1029
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:20,440
» Absolutely. May
>> Okay.

1030
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:28,480
Um,
Mr. Gardner, I think we've already we

1031
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:33,280
touched on the HVAC system, so there's
no need to go back on it. We touched on

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01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:37,360
the extension of snow removal contract.
Uh, the sustainable community

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01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:40,960
certification is that's the same one
that we've already discussed as well, or

1034
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,120
is that something separate?
>> Okay.

1035
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:51,120
» Um,
I'm I'm sorry. That's that is actually

1036
01:33:45,520 --> 01:34:00,159
the state program. Um that um that is
one that um will take uh a large larger

1037
01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:08,080
commitment from the city to go through
the certification process. Um it does uh

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01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:14,239
make the city eligible for certain uh
grants or other kinds of benefits.

1039
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:20,960
Uh, we should probably
um take some additional time or I can

1040
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:26,880
send the mayor the council information
about what that would involve. But th

1041
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:31,920
this is the state program that um
unfortunately the certification is I

1042
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:38,639
think it's good for three years maybe
five years and it and it lapsed.

1043
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:43,480
» Okay. Any [gasps]
discussion on on this council?

1044
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:54,480
» So, you're looking for us just to renew
it, correct, Mr. Gardner?

1045
01:34:51,360 --> 01:35:00,400
» Um, I guess at this point you can give
give us the green light to pull together

1046
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:07,120
the requirements for council to consider
to renew it and um we can uh present

1047
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:11,360
that at a future council meeting.
and and see if if you're interested in

1048
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:17,520
going down that path.
>> Well, given everything that's on your

1049
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:22,719
plate is um what's the level of effort
behind this and is it a priority right

1050
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:26,960
now? We have a lot of things that we're
trying to do.

1051
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:32,880
» Um
it's it's it can't be done kind of

1052
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:38,719
immediately. it it to me it's a fairly
significant um community commitment.

1053
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:43,120
Um
and you're right, we do have a lot of

1054
01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:51,280
other things that we we need to to push
forward. Um, I I'd maybe like to

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01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:58,960
consider circling back in uh a month or
so and just see if we're at a point

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01:35:53,600 --> 01:36:04,159
where the council can get the space to
look into all the requirements and

1057
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:12,080
determine if it's interested and then if
so, we'll put together a plan to do it.

1058
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:17,280
» Okay. We'll we'll discuss as we're
putting together uh future work sessions

1059
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:23,920
um whether it should go back on the
agenda um and continue to focus on the

1060
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:29,520
items that we do have that are immediate
that that we need to get taken care of.

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01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:33,600
Council Lacrosse,
>> I just have a topic on the Pimrose

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01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:39,520
project when we are ready to have that
discussion

1063
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:46,080
and it's dealing with the bio trench um
number G13. I just want to make sure

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01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:51,119
that that slope uh does not degrade the
residents that are there and the church

1065
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:59,040
that it's you know it's a little sliver
of land that's part of Glenn Arden that

1066
01:36:54,480 --> 01:37:03,440
um you know butts up against Pimro's
development structure.

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01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:07,760
» We're about two bullet points away from
Pimro.

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01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:12,880
» All right. Thank
>> All right. Next up is the update and

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01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:18,400
next step for elevator project which
would be a perfect place for Councilman

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01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:24,000
Williams. You want to discuss
um

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01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:27,320
you know the architect
red lift

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01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:33,719
Councilman Williams.

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01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:41,440
Okay. Councilwoman Cross,
>> I'm here. I'm sorry.

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01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:46,760
» Okay, one second.
>> I'm trying to navigate this. Okay. Um,

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01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,080
I do building

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:38:00,199
and
I did not like what I heard from her.

1077
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:10,400
And
towards the end

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01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:14,199
we I'm going say we we we did get an
apology from her.

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01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:23,560
However,
if you are a vendor of ours and working

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01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,560
for us,

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01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:39,239
it is my expectation that you as the
vendor will follow up with us if things

1082
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:39,239
go wrong, get delayed, put back

1083
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:46,560
because
she claims

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01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:53,679
When she told us whenever that meeting
was, I was here, you most of y'all was

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01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:59,119
here. She said that it is pro permitting
it'll take about 30 days.

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01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:03,360
When that 30 days didn't come back to
me, it should have been on her to come

1087
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:07,760
back and tell us why. Now she said she
submitted to Park and Pounding now, but

1088
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:14,000
now this time she ain't submitted to
Park and P. She directly deep for

1089
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:20,960
permitting.
First, it didn't require any money and

1090
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:26,639
you dropped the ball. You a timeout.
Now, even it's already past that, which

1091
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:34,800
she didn't clear to me because when Miss
Councilwoman Cross

1092
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:41,583
uh questioner on it, she said that
it's time for permitting now and that's

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01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:41,583
why we need the money. [snorts]

1094
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:51,199
And
if we decide to if we decide to go with

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01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:57,920
a desired bill,
which the city manager said I think we

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01:39:54,080 --> 01:40:01,040
were leaning to record it,
they ain't going to want to use her

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01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:04,840
plans anyway.
They want to do their own.

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01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:10,320
So
that's why I said we need to have a

1099
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:18,679
conversation
because if we moving forward

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01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,679
with her and her plans,

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01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:26,320
which I'm not against, but I'm I just
somebody got to watch her like a hawk a

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01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:33,040
good hour.
We will then won't be into a design

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01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:39,400
bill. We will be into here's our design.
Let's find somebody to build who the

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01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:39,400
specs that we have.

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01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:47,400
Again, that may be good, too, depending
on who's out there willing to do it,

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01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:55,159
but
based on her performance

1107
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:02,560
and she made that illusion about this
was her baby.

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01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:07,280
That's why I had to say she set her up
for failure. Mean, if that was her baby,

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01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:11,440
then I would be having it'd be child
child neglect

1110
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:16,480
because she did not do what she should
have done for us. if it was her baby

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01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:23,520
looking out after us. She keeps all kept
on saying this when the city contacted

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01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:27,600
us. When the city contacted me,
didn't she have a duty responsibility to

1113
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:32,159
reach out to the city if it was some
time?

1114
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:38,000
Just asking,
just asking. So that's why I just want

1115
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:43,840
to bring it up to my colleagues.
See, y'all had any

1116
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:49,760
issues with what she said? How she
explained it? It didn't meet muster with

1117
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:52,719
me.
That's all I got to say. I'm not here to

1118
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:57,840
debate. I just wanted to give you my
opinion. Thank you.

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01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:01,560
» Thank you, sir.
>> Council Cross.

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01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:12,159
» Thank you. I did send out those
questions to Mr. Gardner. So when um

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01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:17,520
Miss Felder, if you can ensure that she
uh has a copy, then that way she can

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01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:22,159
provide us, you know, exactly what we're
needing. The council needs to

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01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:27,520
appreciate, you know, the procurement
trail on all of the projects, the

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01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:34,560
elevator project,
the um nutrition center project, and the

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01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:38,480
construction of the council chambers.
And I I appreciate that she is the

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01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:46,639
architect, but I would like to see a
project manager on this project. Um, you

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01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:52,960
know, the contract itself has been
somewhat executed.

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01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:58,960
um the amounts and the vendors we have
councilically, you know, across at least

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01:42:56,239 --> 01:43:04,639
since 2022
been, you know,

1130
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:09,760
appropriating funding to support this
project. [snorts] Um

1131
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:14,719
we need to follow up and see what
happened with the Nickels contracting

1132
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:20,800
amount. uh whether or not any reward was
actually rescended because they were not

1133
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:25,920
completing the job and if it was ever
superseded or even if even portions of

1134
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:32,480
that contract was executed. We need
clarity on each one of these contracts.

1135
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:37,760
What has Redlift Architects design fees
and amendments and additional service

1136
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:44,159
fees cost us? What has Nicholls
contracting their amount their status?

1137
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:50,480
that was under resolution 332025
if it was rescended superseded or if it

1138
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:55,440
was never executed the coronet contract
the construction amount that's under

1139
01:43:52,639 --> 01:44:00,320
resolution 452025
and then of course the design bill

1140
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:06,000
proposal which I ask about which was not
provided to this council team as I am

1141
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:09,920
aware and if we were provided please
resurface it so that we can appreciate

1142
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:15,280
what we're dealing with when it comes
down on the cornet contracting but all

1143
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:19,840
the invoices and the actual payments
charged against the elevator the

1144
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:24,719
nutrition center and senior center and
the council chambers we need to have

1145
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:29,760
clear understanding those projects I
agree with councilman Williams it wasn't

1146
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:35,040
a familiar place to hear someone who's
been running as the project manager on

1147
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:39,199
this project say I wasn't prepared for
the financial question you're always

1148
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:44,159
prepared for the financial question
because we need to know how much is left

1149
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:48,960
in the pot. If you don't know what's in
the pot, then you're always asking for

1150
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:53,119
money. And we are we're not an infinite
tree, you know, that just keeps shaking

1151
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:58,480
leaves of money. [clears throat] So, the
remaining balance to be funded on these

1152
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:04,320
sources needs to be clearly articulated
by this contract. And also any reserves

1153
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:11,840
needs to be articulated by our
treasurer, Mr. Stewart and any remaining

1154
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:16,159
grants and any uh ARPA money that was,
you know, appropriated for this project.

1155
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:20,080
We need a clear understanding of what's
happening on those three lines of

1156
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:25,600
operation because as of right now, I'm
I'm not ready or even include in enough

1157
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:30,480
to tell you that we need to put 1.8
million against it. we need to

1158
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:37,440
appreciate it, understand it or before
we move into an additional, you know,

1159
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:40,639
amounts of money 1.3 already spent, we
need to make sure we understand we're

1160
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:45,199
dealing with these projects. So
hopefully that came across clear. If it

1161
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:53,080
didn't, sir, I did send this all in an
email for the council team as well. Mr.

1162
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:53,080
Gardner, yourself, please share.

1163
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:03,920
» Thank you. Councilwoman Jones.
>> Thank you, Mayor Curtis. At this point,

1164
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:09,360
um,
thinking back, we did have an issue with

1165
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:14,480
Miss Felder, and I thought that, uh, at
that time the city manager was, uh, Mr.

1166
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:22,719
Simpson, and, and I thought we were as a
council, uh, and the city was going to,

1167
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:26,960
um, not deal with her anymore, and we
were trying to figure out how to do that

1168
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:31,760
with Mr. Kapensky. And I don't know what
happened with that because at one point,

1169
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:35,199
Miss Felder was working on the project.
Like I said, I remember her being here

1170
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:39,360
two years, at least two years ago. We
were all downstairs in the council

1171
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:43,360
chambers looking at the with the
presentation that she bought today. And

1172
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:48,960
I thought we had come to a conclusion
about all of the stuff that was going to

1173
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:53,040
be in that uh area for the refrigerator
and the freezer and the warmers. All

1174
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:56,159
that was taken care of. it had been
concluded that this is what we were

1175
01:46:54,480 --> 01:47:01,600
going to put in there. So, I'm not sure
why she came back and said that she

1176
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:08,080
wasn't clear on, you know, uh what we
decided because the decision had been

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01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:12,320
made. So, um my issue with all of this
is if we if we go get another architect,

1178
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:18,320
that means we're going to have to start
from scratch. We've been I mean

1179
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:23,119
like I like people have said the
elevator project has been going on since

1180
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:28,000
you know after Moses uh parted the Red
Sea and everybody came over and we

1181
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:31,520
started the elevator project and um
we're still working on an elevator

1182
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:38,159
project
if we have to start all over again. I

1183
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:44,159
mean is this one of the issues
uh if we get a new architect? I know we

1184
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:50,320
uh had uh I I thought we had
commissioned Cororic to come in and do

1185
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:54,639
this design whatever but now uh I
thought their contract was going to Mr.

1186
01:47:52,080 --> 01:48:00,080
Capinsky to be uh uh you know addressed
and then given back to the council as so

1187
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:04,320
that we could move forward. So, I mean,
I really don't want to start all over

1188
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:10,239
again if we have to. But maybe we could
just take our design and

1189
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:15,440
then get the builder to enhance whatever
needs to be enhanced from his

1190
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:20,239
perspective if that is a process in
having something built like this. And I

1191
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:26,159
don't want the same issues to go on with
the police department, with the police

1192
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:30,320
building. I want us to move forward.
These things could have been up and

1193
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:35,520
built and over with, but we're still
dragging our feet. Here it is. Like I

1194
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:39,440
said, after Moses opened the Red Sea,
the elevator project was proposed for

1195
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:44,520
the city of Glenn Arden, and it's still
not built today. Thank you, Mayor Cross.

1196
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:52,440
» Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Um

1197
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:10,719
well my two cents on this topic is
um I do remember

1198
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:18,480
um Miss Felder ghosting us for quite
some time. Um you know we were asked for

1199
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:25,199
updates. I do remember Mr. Simpson
um relaying that he tried several times

1200
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:30,800
to reach out and he couldn't get a
response. Um

1201
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:34,800
I agreed that this could have been done
the project could have been done a you

1202
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:40,080
know at least started on a long time
ago. Construction could have started. Um

1203
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:46,639
I would hate to start it over all over
again as well. Um

1204
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:52,639
I
I don't know if we just you know

1205
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:58,400
from the information I re you know the
the answers that she gave the designs

1206
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:05,679
will be ours after we pay for the uh
permitting. Um and so if we can take

1207
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:11,840
those designs and maybe go somewhere
else and just move on. Um, I also have,

1208
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:18,480
which I don't know how much of a wrench
this will throw on things,

1209
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:26,400
just taking just a a step back and just
looking at the entire picture. Um,

1210
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:33,840
if we're I think Councilwoman Cross said
something in the range of 1.8 million uh

1211
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:37,520
that we are about to spend on this 1.89
8 n

1212
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:41,920
million that we're going to spend on
this.

1213
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:47,920
Um,
you know, I don't know if I'm willing to

1214
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:53,600
spend all that money on such a um
ancient building. Um, I this is a Hail

1215
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:58,239
Mary. I don't know if this is doable or
not, but

1216
01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:05,679
um since we are spending money to build
a police station, why don't we just add

1217
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:10,000
on to that um in a brand new building,
brand new space, the police station

1218
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:13,440
still gets built, have whatever they're
going to do, but if we're going to spend

1219
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:19,119
$2 million
uh on just three aspects of the current

1220
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:23,920
municipal center, which is the elevator
project, the nutrition center,

1221
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:31,119
in the council chambers. Why do we just
put that money if if it's going to cost

1222
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:36,000
us just put that money into adding an
additional piece to the police station

1223
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:40,400
and just moving our headquarters and our
council chambers and everything over

1224
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:45,760
there and just building it all at once.
uh as opposed to uh spending $2 million

1225
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:49,599
where I know once we open up those
ceilings and the walls that they're

1226
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:53,760
going to be some issues, some problems
that we're going to have to deal with.

1227
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:59,760
Um that's going to slow down that
project. Um, I I I honestly believe that

1228
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:06,800
we
seriously entertain at least seeing what

1229
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:12,880
that will cost us uh to have a add-on to
the to the new building. Uh, and then

1230
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:17,760
repurposing the um James Cousin
Municipal Center. Um, maybe not putting

1231
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:23,360
that much money into those whole
designs. Uh, but putting money just to

1232
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:28,400
update the electrical. And I mean, we
can even expand the bottom if we wanted

1233
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:34,560
to or expand the not expand the space.
Not expand the bottom. Let me retract my

1234
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:40,800
statements, but just refurbish that
space. So now we can have um uh

1235
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:47,760
designated areas for senior outreach or
youth outreach. Um if we just did the

1236
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:53,920
you know
not the bare minimum upgrades but you

1237
01:52:50,320 --> 01:53:00,159
know electrical HVAC uh maybe carpeting
and just uh refurbishing uh some things

1238
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:07,440
or the space so that we'll have now two
designated spaces and then we can offer

1239
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:14,239
our citizens even more um and having two
designated spaces. So,

1240
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:21,599
that's my thought on it. Um, now, where
does Miss Felder lie in that idea? I I I

1241
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:25,520
don't think she's um that much involved.
Um, especially if we could uh move

1242
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:32,480
forward. I think we're going to talk
about in a close session the um the bids

1243
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:36,560
we received for the police station. if
we can, you know, if you see something

1244
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:40,880
good in there and and just go back to
them, ask, hey, if you can add on this,

1245
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:47,143
you know, will it throw a wrench into
our plans? Um,

1246
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:50,560
honestly think that's the way to go. So,
[gasps]

1247
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:57,760
um, I'm going go to Councilman Williams
first and then you, Mr. Gardner.

1248
01:53:54,480 --> 01:54:04,400
Councilman Williams,
>> I'm glad you said that, Mr. man. Cuz I

1249
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:09,840
totally agree with you.
Totally agree with you

1250
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:14,239
that you can add a floor on top of
PlayStation

1251
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:22,119
and do the same business with the I
agree with you. So got my vote.

1252
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:22,119
Okay.

1253
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:31,119
Um
Mr. Gardner, I'm sorry. Yeah,

1254
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:37,360
» sure. And uh just to follow up on that,
I I I think that um considering a new

1255
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:42,880
police station that at least has the
capacity to be added on um at a at a

1256
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:48,960
future date or something makes a lot of
sense for the uh the future city

1257
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:57,040
municipal building. Uh I wanted to be
really clear that the city has not spent

1258
01:54:53,040 --> 01:55:03,679
um 1.3 million on the elevator thus far.
>> Yep. Um, and I I I I think um that might

1259
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:10,480
have been conveyed by other comments,
but it has not um the the remaining

1260
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:14,400
funds to get the permits for the
elevator

1261
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:19,119
um are probably
in the $10,000

1262
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:27,440
range, I think.
Um once those plans are permitted, the

1263
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:34,159
city can put them out to bid,
the responses could come back and you

1264
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:39,520
could say, "Nope, not worth the money or
yes, worth the money. No, no commitment

1265
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:45,599
required." And you can do it kind of
whenever you want. You have plans that

1266
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:52,960
are that are approved. So, um
I I think it makes sense to try to get

1267
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:58,960
those plans in hand approved and then
that's a lowcost

1268
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:03,280
project completed and whether you decide
to

1269
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:10,719
» uh to do it is another decision.
>> Yeah.

1270
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:16,800
Yeah. No, I I I agree. Um,
so, uh, it still sticks within and like

1271
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:23,040
you said, if council decided not to go
with the idea, we'll still at least have

1272
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:29,360
those, um, permits in hand or plans in
hand. Counciloman Cross,

1273
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:34,159
» thank you. And I do have concerns with
that last comment because what Miss

1274
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:40,560
Felder said is you will never own her
plans. So you will utilize her services

1275
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:48,080
no matter what contractor you get to
build this project. So if you're going

1276
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:53,440
to do anything with it thus far, um I
mean there's

1277
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:59,280
no issue with
figuring out what it would cost us to

1278
01:56:56,719 --> 01:57:03,520
look at what has already been proposed.
And I think we've said this on many

1279
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:07,679
occasions. The newest thing on the
ground shouldn't just be a police

1280
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:12,320
department. And we're sitting here, you
know, refoundationing a building that

1281
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:18,480
we've just said had severe brownouts and
needs electrical work. So, uh, at the

1282
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:22,719
end of the day, um, you're going to find
some other things. Okay, these are

1283
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:26,800
aluminum windows, as she stated. You're
going to possibly find some things that,

1284
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:34,080
you know, we don't want to say on this
line right now. not want to jinx it, but

1285
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:40,800
scope creep scope creep is a real thing
in refoundationing a building that's as

1286
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:47,840
seasoned as the city of Glennard
Municipal Center is. So, it won't just

1287
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:52,960
be $10,000 in the permitting process.
You're also going to have inspections.

1288
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:56,560
When those inspections are done, can
anybody tell me the last time we had a

1289
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:01,360
complete inspection done on this
building? We just talked about the air

1290
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:07,040
condition unit not even being worth
being replaced or or or the the motor

1291
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:12,480
being replaced. So, this is where I'm
saying it's not just $10,000. So, I

1292
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:17,679
don't want anybody out there in, you
know, TV land to think, oh, this is just

1293
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:23,360
a low cost. No, there's an inspection
process. This is a complex project and

1294
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:28,400
it's going to depend again on any type
of renovation work that's required prior

1295
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:34,400
to any building codes that need to be
updated, new zoning rules which we don't

1296
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:40,159
have an outline from Miss Felder on and
any safety standards that are currently

1297
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:46,159
not in place based on the seasonness of
this building. So all that's part of the

1298
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:50,080
permitting process from the county. It's
not just, hey, we got some plans.

1299
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:55,679
Approve these. I wish it was that
simple. I don't believe it is. Thank

1300
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:58,679
you.
>> Okay.

1301
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:05,960
Uh, next up is the request for with
pinrolls.

1302
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:13,920
» Yeah,
>> council cross. Yep.

1303
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:19,679
» Thank you. So, I was looking at the
design plan from Pimrose, and there is a

1304
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:28,800
slope that I believe flows dangerously
towards the um church that's over there

1305
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:34,560
uh opposite um the Pimro's uh current uh
building structures. So, as we're

1306
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:39,440
looking at the flow of water changing,
uh we know that the water uh sealing for

1307
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:44,400
Glenn Arden has traditionally been a
problem, particularly in those zones.

1308
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:49,760
Um, we just want to make sure that we're
not going to cause those residents that

1309
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:55,440
are there additional problems. So, I
would like to see Pimrose not just do an

1310
01:59:53,119 --> 02:00:02,239
assessment of the land that they own,
but a surrounding area assessment, uh,

1311
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:09,119
at least a structural assessment to make
sure that their rerouting and their

1312
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:14,320
sloping does not cause issues to the
current existing residents of Glenn

1313
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:18,880
Arden. So, if that's something that can
be incorporated into the Pinrose plan,

1314
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:25,599
that would be greatly appreciated
because that's a large um

1315
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:29,760
ditch back there. And when you start
rerouting water, it's got to go

1316
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:35,599
somewhere. And what we don't want is
more basement being flooded uh like

1317
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:40,159
Frost Community has had to deal with for
well over, you know, 20 plus years.

1318
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:43,159
Thank you.
Any

1319
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:51,000
other comments,

1320
02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:54,679
questions

1321
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:05,520
or response? Bill, Mr. Gardner,
>> fine. Um, Council Jones, do you want to

1322
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:09,840
get that question in first and then I
can try to respond?

1323
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:15,280
Um, do you have a direct response to
Council McCross first? I don't want

1324
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:21,599
» I I I not maybe not a direct response,
but um

1325
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:27,920
I can speak to them about the plans that
they proposed. Um, we may need to get

1326
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:35,440
them to present, but
generally speaking, in redevelopment,

1327
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:42,560
the the storm has to be treated on site.
And so, um, I can't

1328
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:47,679
I I don't think that the county would
approve,

1329
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:55,119
uh, storm water plans that would allow
the water from this development to

1330
02:01:51,199 --> 02:02:00,159
negatively impact, uh, property off the
development,

1331
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:05,599
but I think that might be better
addressed by an engineer or I can I can

1332
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:10,159
get that answer.
Yeah, thank you for getting the answer.

1333
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:15,679
Uh because if we didn't have the Frost
community that's had to suffer for 20

1334
02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:21,520
years already with this project that
they've had to now come up with a PVC

1335
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:29,840
pipe workound because the county refused
to rectify what was unfortunately caused

1336
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:36,239
by a sloping issue. And then so uh again
um we may need to look at uh aqua

1337
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:41,840
planning when it comes down to our
developments. You know to give the water

1338
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:45,440
somewhere to go. You need an aqua plan
and um you know just saying that we're

1339
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:50,880
going to have a certain grade and a
certain sloping. I just looked at it you

1340
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:56,639
know briefly and maybe it's time for us
to take a walk around to see it. uh we

1341
02:02:54,159 --> 02:03:01,199
cannot impact those citizens that are
already over there in that church that's

1342
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:05,520
been there well over the years before
they were even developing. So yes, I get

1343
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:09,040
it. You own the land, you do what you
want [clears throat] because it's

1344
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:14,639
county,
but we do have a good neighbor

1345
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:19,760
requirement to ensure that development
does not cause issues for the

1346
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:24,480
pre-existing residents. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Jones.

1347
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:32,159
I'm confused here. Uh theou that this uh
that Pinrose is asking for now. This is

1348
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:37,360
for the new development that's coming up
on the side of Eva. Is that E? Not Eva.

1349
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:42,400
What street is that? That's Evart. Right
next to Bright Seat Liquor. This is on

1350
02:03:40,239 --> 02:03:44,239
the Bright Seat Liquor side. Am I
correct?

1351
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:48,000
» That's correct. Okay.
>> And I think the church that Councilwoman

1352
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:53,199
Cross is talking about is over on the
Hamlin Street side.

1353
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:57,800
» Am I correct?
So, they've already developed that side.

1354
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:05,599
The Hamlin Street side has already been
developed.

1355
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:11,520
So, uh I don't know. I'm not sure how
that because of the Evart Street being

1356
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:16,040
developed, I'm not sure how that would
impact the Hamlet Street side.

1357
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:25,520
» Thank you for that, Councilwoman Jones.
I just want to make sure that the

1358
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:32,560
sloping and the grading does not cause
issues for um anyone that is affiliated.

1359
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:38,639
And again, just because it's on that
side, that is u again another side that

1360
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:43,520
consistently
um you know, kind of gets dumped on, you

1361
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:48,960
know, the data center is going to impact
that side. Um, so I just want us to be a

1362
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:52,960
good neighbor. Uh, because that is going
to be in Glenn Arden's property. Uh,

1363
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:57,199
just want to make sure that we're a good
neighbor no matter what side, but make

1364
02:04:55,599 --> 02:05:01,840
sure particularly that we're not
impacting folks that have had an

1365
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:06,880
existence prior to our development.
That's all my question is. I've just

1366
02:05:04,719 --> 02:05:12,080
never heard citizens have any complaints
about water on that side of uh Hamlet

1367
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:17,440
Street, even after their town houses
came, after Pinrose developed on that

1368
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:21,520
side there. I've never heard of any
complaints. I'm not sure if city hall

1369
02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:26,000
may have registered some complaints from
citizens uh having any water issues uh

1370
02:05:25,381 --> 02:05:31,920
[clears throat]
during that development. And now that

1371
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:37,320
we're developing the EART side, um
that's a whole different um area.

1372
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:41,000
Thank you.

1373
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:50,800
» Thank you,
>> Mr. Gardner.

1374
02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:58,000
» Uh yes. Would council uh want the
developer to attend either the um

1375
02:05:54,719 --> 02:06:04,159
meeting on the 21st or uh perhaps the
public hearing to respond to questions

1376
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:07,800
and present information about this this
phase of the project.

1377
02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:16,679
» I would like a public hearing attendance
if they are able to.

1378
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:26,800
Okay.
>> I'll I'll reach out and and see if they

1379
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:29,880
can attend. [clears throat]
>> All right.

1380
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:38,320
» Point of order. Uh Mayor Curtis.
>> Yes, ma'am. Councilwoman Jones.

1381
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:45,199
» Um Mr. Gardner,
wasn't thisou supposed to be uh done?

1382
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:49,920
How I mean what is the time timeline on
thisou because we've we've discussed

1383
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:54,639
this before. I think we had to come to a
decision. It went to the attorney. When

1384
02:06:52,320 --> 02:07:03,840
are they looking for this time this uhou
to be uh presented back to them?

1385
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:08,239
» They would like theou done um as soon as
possible. They would love for it to be

1386
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:16,320
done
in September. They um

1387
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:22,239
I I met with them um I I guess a few
weeks ago and

1388
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:27,920
um I don't believe council has discussed
this particular

1389
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:34,239
uhou but I I don't I don't know may
maybe you have but I did send what they

1390
02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:39,520
had drafted to our attorneys uh they did
a lot of uh redline changes

1391
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:46,960
um sent it back to the develop ment
team. I I haven't heard back from them.

1392
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:52,159
Um I did speak to the county and um the
county staff who work with storm water

1393
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:58,719
management said that the type of
structure that is being proposed is not

1394
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:05,119
particularly unique. uh they have no
concerns about it uh working as designed

1395
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:10,400
and the purpose of the or the the
requirement for theou is because it's

1396
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:17,119
within the city's right of way and the
purpose of theou

1397
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:24,400
is to make it crystal clear that uh the
responsibility for maintenance of the

1398
02:08:20,719 --> 02:08:30,000
structure as well as the sidewalk is the
responsibility of the HOA and not the

1399
02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:34,480
And if they don't maintain it properly
and the city has to, there's a process

1400
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:40,719
that the city can charge them for the
work that the city's required to do.

1401
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:44,880
» Thank you. Then I would suggest that
they come to the public hearing also.

1402
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:51,119
But yes, this has been presented to the
council early on. I think Mr. C uh city

1403
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:54,320
manager Simpson was working on it at
what time.

1404
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:59,000
» Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Cross.

1405
02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:03,320
» It's Curtis, but thank you.

1406
02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:06,599
Um,

1407
02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:17,840
uh,
last one before we turn to close

1408
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:24,800
session. Oh, well, no, two more. Sorry.
This is the CPJ

1409
02:09:20,639 --> 02:09:28,560
appraisals and extension of agreement.
Mr. Garter, could you uh explain that a

1410
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:35,199
little bit more, please?
>> Uh yes. Uh the city has kind of a master

1411
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:42,639
agreement with CPJ
that um allows the city to use it for a

1412
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:51,199
pretty wide range of of engineering,
building construction, appraisal,

1413
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:57,679
uh types of of work. And uh that
agreement was a three-year agreement I

1414
02:09:54,400 --> 02:10:04,800
believe and it expired at the end of
June and they are interested in um

1415
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:10,960
extending the agreement for you know one
or more years. Um, so that's what part

1416
02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:17,840
of that is about and and I would I would
say that um

1417
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:23,040
they do have the capacity to do a
building assessment. Uh they recently

1418
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:27,440
completed a building assessment of the
Green Belt Community Center. I' I've

1419
02:10:25,599 --> 02:10:32,800
reached out to Green Belt staff to get
information about how that process went

1420
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:41,360
for them. Uh but that is also a kind of
a a building that um uh has aged and

1421
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:47,679
needed um a lot of work and CPJ I
believe um did the assessment and then

1422
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:52,800
uh solicited bids from the trades that
were necessary and was the project

1423
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:59,360
manager to make sure the work was done
as it was designed to be done. So that's

1424
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:08,880
part of that item. The other part is the
appraisals that council approved for CPJ

1425
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:13,679
to do. Um I'm I was told that uh those
appraisals should be ready for council

1426
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:20,159
review midepptember.
So hopefully prior to your meeting on

1427
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:24,000
the 21st. Um, and I I did meet with um
the resident who's interested in

1428
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:30,400
acquiring
um a couple of the city parcels that are

1429
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:36,079
adjacent to property that he owns and uh
indicated that the the appraisals

1430
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:41,599
hopefully will be ready for council
review in midepptember

1431
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:46,679
and that of course you would see them
first and then we decide what to do.

1432
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:54,280
Okay.
All right.

1433
02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:04,639
» Yeah. Um
the city's been dealing with CBJ CPJ for

1434
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:10,560
quite a while
and um they're just now coming with

1435
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:15,920
those appraisals. Uh we asked for those
I think last year.

1436
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:21,440
It's they're expensive and they they
charge a lot. That's that's my thought,

1437
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:24,440
you know.
Um

1438
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:36,800
just a very quick response. Um they um
they didn't start on this project as

1439
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:42,560
soon as uh council may have expected
because uh we did not uh execute the

1440
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:46,880
contract.
um that I think got kind of dropped

1441
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:58,480
between transitions.
Um and um the contract was executed

1442
02:12:52,239 --> 02:13:00,719
probably in um mid mid to late June.
>> So clarity,

1443
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:05,440
» pardon,
>> clarity.

1444
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:09,840
Everything we ask them to do requires a
contract. There's no like blanket

1445
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:14,000
contract that says, "Okay, we need this
is what we've contracted you to do." Is

1446
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:20,159
that what they're trying to put together
now?

1447
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:25,840
» Um, no. No, ma'am. They um
they had, let's see, the city had

1448
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:34,480
approved a resolution authorizing
them to do the work. Um, then a contract

1449
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:41,520
was developed. Uh it went past the city
attorney for the city attorney's

1450
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:46,880
approval. Um the proposal was was
modified slightly um and the price was

1451
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:51,679
lowered
and

1452
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:58,320
then the contract was executed
for the appraisal of

1453
02:13:55,920 --> 02:14:03,840
uh properties in two sites,
>> right? property the city owns on MLK and

1454
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:07,040
the property the city owns
um

1455
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:11,760
I'm forgetting the street
>> Mlan.

1456
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:15,920
» Okay. And there are other uh sites that
the city may wish to have an appraisal

1457
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:18,880
done but that wasn't part of this
particular contract.

1458
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:23,599
» Right. So, okay. So, now I get it. It's
kind of like they we do them the with

1459
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:26,800
this peace meal work. They do this piece
and then they do that piece, then they

1460
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:30,719
do this piece and then they do that.
Okay. But I still think that they're

1461
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:36,280
kind of expensive and slow. But that's
my opinion. Thank you, Mayor Mayor

1462
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:36,280
Curtis.

1463
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:42,840
» Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Any other
comments on this topic?

1464
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:50,159
» Okay, final one before we adjourn to
close session is the approval of gold

1465
02:14:48,560 --> 02:14:58,400
room
promotions for fall. Um,

1466
02:14:54,480 --> 02:15:03,760
council hopefully had those documents.
Uh, are there any questions or or

1467
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:08,560
comments as relates to the pro
promotional

1468
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:12,719
um
that

1469
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:17,320
Mrs. Bun wants to do for the gold room
to attract more business for the fall.

1470
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:26,960
Councilwoman Cross.
>> Yeah, thank you. I saw the 10% discount

1471
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:31,280
for things uh forgive me contract
secured through September. Is it just

1472
02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:38,079
through September? Are we going to run
that um through, you know, say up to

1473
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:41,280
November sometime? September is halfway
gone. [laughter]

1474
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:45,679
there's barely going to be enough
knowledge, you know, in the community to

1475
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:52,079
get people to come in and maybe give us
some time to advertise that and maybe

1476
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:56,480
extend that to say mid October uh would
be the final to try and pull the

1477
02:15:54,320 --> 02:16:00,639
business. But I do like the number out
there for the repass so people

1478
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:04,719
appreciate um and I think that is a
solid opportunity particularly for uh

1479
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:11,520
folks that are going through a traumatic
time to make that proposal. Thank you.

1480
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:18,800
» Okay. Um, Mr. Gardner, do did you know
the the timetable that Councilwoman

1481
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:22,199
Cross was discussing?
You on mute.

1482
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:33,519
» Thank you. Sorry. Um, Miss Bun is
interested in in getting authorization

1483
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:41,040
to have uh a series of quarterly
promotions. So, um the the the fire was

1484
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:47,920
kind of an example, but she would would
like uh council to authorize her to uh

1485
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:56,080
do similar kinds of promotions
um based on uh either different uh

1486
02:16:52,000 --> 02:17:02,080
seasons or different offerings
that she wouldn't have to come back uh

1487
02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:09,679
you know, four times a year for council
approval. Um,

1488
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:14,399
did that answer the the question?
>> So, she wants a blanket approval and

1489
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:21,280
this was just a sample to say what could
what the possibilities could be.

1490
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:28,240
» Yes. And and a blanket approval that um
I I would approve as well um and would

1491
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:35,040
be in line with the kinds of specials
that she's offered here. So um it it

1492
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:43,639
would be a program um it would be
administered as a program

1493
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:43,639
would not be individual ad hoc

1494
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:57,200
and we would just update in um the
monthly reporting from the gold room and

1495
02:17:55,120 --> 02:18:04,240
um matched with the city manager's
report as well prior too.

1496
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:08,679
» Yes, you would be informed of of these
incentive programs for sure.

1497
02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:19,359
» All right, Council Jones.
>> Thank you, Mayor Cross. I mean, Mayor

1498
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:24,240
Curtis. Um, I'm looking at this last uh
uh sentence in the what what she's

1499
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:29,120
proposed and it says, "In addition to
these promotions, I request that the

1500
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:33,760
council approve offering team members
the same discount rate as Glenn Arden

1501
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:38,880
residents." Team members meaning the
entire employee staff for the city of

1502
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:45,840
Glenn Arden or just the team members of
her staff? No, I I believe that would be

1503
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:50,479
uh city staff, city employees.
>> Okay. So, uh and and then with the other

1504
02:18:48,559 --> 02:18:54,960
programs, as long as they fall under the
guidelines that the go room has been has

1505
02:18:52,880 --> 02:19:02,160
already been established,
uh they would fall under those.

1506
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:07,280
» Uh yes, in terms of
>> the established guidelines of the goal.

1507
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:11,160
» That's correct.
>> All right. Thank you for that

1508
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:11,160
clarification.

1509
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:22,160
Thank you. Uh, Councilman Williams,
>> I would just move that this is something

1510
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:28,240
that the city manager should be handling
and he could come back to us, tell us

1511
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:33,359
what he want to do and we just, you
know, not micromanage and just say,

1512
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:39,280
"Hey, you know, it's we want to make
money." So they don't have a free hand

1513
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:46,319
of doing it and if we wind up losing
money then we come and address it. Uh

1514
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:50,399
but that's my opinion about this. So of
course I would say my approval of this.

1515
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:55,920
Thank you.
>> So are you making a motion or that we do

1516
02:19:54,479 --> 02:19:59,040
that? Could I say
>> I don't know if this a proper venue

1517
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:04,000
» to do it?
>> Yep. You're right.

1518
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:09,040
» Yeah.
We can do it at the meeting, but

1519
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:14,800
» it don't have to be a resolution, but as
a public meeting, we can do it.

1520
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:19,520
» Yep. Yep. Okay. Well, on at the regular
session, I agree. So, you'll have my

1521
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:23,200
second
uh Councilwoman

1522
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:28,560
Cross.
Thank you. Uh so no, I'm not in

1523
02:20:25,439 --> 02:20:33,920
agreement with that uh last statement uh
that Councilwoman Jones highlighted was

1524
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:40,399
a part of the proposal that the city
employees which uh Mr.

1525
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:45,760
Gardner, what's the number now? The
total number

1526
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:52,319
» I I believe we are authorized between 40
and 43 staff. Mhm. So, not that

1527
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:59,359
everybody will have a party on the same
day, but the the compliments of the city

1528
02:20:56,160 --> 02:21:06,960
of Glennard residents having a discount
is not the same as people getting paid

1529
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:14,319
to work here. Uh the discount is because
the events and the programs that happen

1530
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:24,240
here are you know one impede the
citizens two it is a benefit for those

1531
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:32,080
who pay taxes here and who live here so
that we will have a place. So I disagree

1532
02:21:28,399 --> 02:21:38,960
with that part. Um this isn't a
free-for-all. This is a economic

1533
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:46,000
business but because the business is
impeding the residents and it is a nice

1534
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:49,439
for the residents to have an opportunity
for them to do birthday parties and

1535
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:53,280
different types of things. That's why
they are afforded that discount because

1536
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:58,800
they pay taxes in the city of Glenn
Arten. Uh many of our employees out of

1537
02:21:56,560 --> 02:22:06,080
the 40 including yourself, Mr. Gardner,
you don't live here. So you're getting

1538
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:13,280
benefits from people who are paying tax
money to live here. That's why they get

1539
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:18,160
the discount. Um, so I just want to make
sure we clarify that because I am not in

1540
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:23,200
agreement with that as a resident of
Glenn Arden that someone who doesn't pay

1541
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:27,920
taxes here doesn't even really have to
shop here because they live in a new

1542
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:33,319
area puts nothing back into the grounds
but they take from it. Thank you.

1543
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:46,080
» Thank you, Councilman Cross. Um
that's I think an interesting debate. Um

1544
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:52,560
I understand where Council Cross is
coming from. Uh I would

1545
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:59,120
offer
uh contrary opinion

1546
02:22:55,600 --> 02:23:07,280
that I I agree that staff do not pay
taxes here. However, staff is intricral

1547
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:11,840
part in how the city operates. Um, and
if it wasn't for staff, then citizens

1548
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:18,800
couldn't have some of the things that we
have now. Um, uh, that's not to say that

1549
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:25,439
I agree or disagree with with
Councilwoman Cross. uh just offering

1550
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:34,000
uh a different perspective
in a sense that um

1551
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:41,040
I do value what the the uh staff brings
to the city uh and in in my opinion view

1552
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:48,160
them as extension of the city uh whether
they live here or not. Um that the work

1553
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:53,600
that they do uh benefits us greatly. Uh,
and so

1554
02:23:50,479 --> 02:24:00,720
as a level of appreciation, I may be
inclined to include them as part of the

1555
02:23:56,479 --> 02:24:06,319
family. Um, so
um,

1556
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:11,520
you know, that is separate from what
Councilman Williams was offering, uh,

1557
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:16,000
and what I plan on seconding. Uh, but
that, you know, is an interesting

1558
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:21,760
discussion.
Um, all right. Uh oh, Councilman Cross,

1559
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:25,439
I gave you the last comment before we
move on.

1560
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:32,080
» No, thank you for that. And and again, I
I value the staff as well, but I do note

1561
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:38,479
that they get um a nice paycheck that
has now been put on the proper pay scale

1562
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:45,680
and is competitive as well as you know,
annual bonuses. Um you know, that

1563
02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:52,319
appropriately accommodate them uh to
show our appreciation for them. Um and

1564
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:59,120
also now with a you know a retirement
plan in place you know we are taking a

1565
02:24:55,760 --> 02:25:03,840
lot out of the budget already and making
sure that we show our love and

1566
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:10,319
appreciation. that go room is our
business and our enterprise. And um by

1567
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:16,479
nature of you being employed here does
not then warrant you to have equal

1568
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:19,920
standing with people who are living here
who have chosen Glenn Art as their home

1569
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:23,399
of residence.
>> That already come

1570
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:32,760
apologies.
All right.

1571
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:43,840
With that,
I believe that is the final

1572
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:50,399
topic for our open session uh in our
close session. Uh we plan on having uh

1573
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:57,520
we will be discussing the uh contract
extension with GCI uh which is allowable

1574
02:25:54,080 --> 02:26:03,200
an allowable topic in a close session uh
and the um

1575
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:10,640
new police station project as it relates
to the closed u bids that were received.

1576
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:17,280
Uh that is another allowable topic that
we can discuss in close session. So with

1577
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:21,280
that, um again, the council reserves the
right to go into close session anytime

1578
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:26,399
during a public meeting. Uh I just
announced why we will go into close

1579
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:32,560
session to discuss those two topics and
ask for uh and motion that we go into

1580
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:39,000
close session. Is there a second?
>> So move and second.

1581
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:39,000
» Okay. Any discussion?

1582
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:47,399
Okay. Council clerk, could you do the
vote for a journey to close session,

1583
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:47,399
please?

1584
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:51,479
» I'm sorry.

1585
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:58,560
» You'll just do a roll call of
>> I'm sorry. [laughter] My apologies.

1586
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:03,960
» No worries.
>> Council Councilwoman Cross.

1587
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:03,960
» Yes.

1588
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:13,800
» Councilwoman Jones.
>> Yes.

1589
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:13,800
Councilman Williams.

1590
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:23,240
Councilman Williams.

1591
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:28,080
He
>> I said yes.

1592
02:27:25,600 --> 02:27:31,920
» Oh, okay. You were on mute.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson.

1593
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:34,800
» Yes.
>> Mayor Curtis.

1594
02:27:33,359 --> 02:27:39,200
» And I'm a yes.
>> Okay.

1595
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:43,920
» All right. Thank you. So, citizens, we
are adjourning to close session. We do

1596
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:51,120
not plan to return to open session. Our
next meeting will be a public hearing

1597
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:55,280
that'll be held on
>> September 15th.

1598
02:27:53,920 --> 02:28:05,439
» Oh, thank you. I'm looking at the wrong
month. September 15th at 700 p.m. Um,

1599
02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:08,439
the open portion of this meeting is now
closed.