[0:11] Good evening everyone. The time is 7:04.
I'd like to call this meeting to order.
[0:17] Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson, could you do the
invocation, please?
[0:21] » Yes. Good evening, everyone. Father God,
we just give you glory and honor. We
[0:25] just thank you for greatness, your
faithfulness. And we thank you for your
[0:28] love and your compassion that you have
towards us. We thank you, Lord Jesus,
[0:31] for how you sustain the city of Leard
and and and meet our needs. And Father
[0:36] God, I just ask that you will bless
everyone that is participating in this
[0:40] meeting today. Father God, that you
would grace us with wisdom and and
[0:44] knowledge and peace, Father, as we um go
and do the business of the city. Father
[0:48] God, we just ask these things in Jesus
name we pray. Amen. Amen.
[0:53] » Amen. Thank you, Madam Cler. Could you
do the roll call, please?
[1:02] » Sure. Good evening, everyone.
Councilwoman Cross
[1:08] » here.
Councilman Harrison,
[1:18] Councilman Herring,
[1:23] » Councilwoman Jones
>> here,
[1:27] » Councilman Williams,
[1:33] » Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson
>> here.
[1:39] Mayor Curtis
>> here.
[1:44] » Councilman Williams.
[1:49] I think I just saw him pop on.
[1:55] Councilman Williams.
[1:59] » Yes.
>> Uh we don't roll call.
[2:03] » Yes, I'm here.
>> Thank you.
[2:05] » Thank you.
[2:09] Uh, we have a quorum. Thank you.
[2:13] Is there a motion to adopt the agenda?
[2:20] » So move.
>> Is there a second?
[2:24] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[2:27] » I have a question.
>> Yes.
[2:30] » Councilwoman Jones. I'm looking at the
agenda and I don't see uh where there
[2:36] has been indicated for reports and I
have a question not to discuss reports
[2:42] because we normally don't do that until
later on but I have a question
[2:45] concerning reports and it's not on the
agenda. So I would like to have that
[2:49] added please.
>> Uh a question on uh on reports or a
[2:56] particular report
>> on all of the not all of the reports but
[3:00] a couple of the reports. Yes.
>> Okay.
[3:04] » It's not a a question. It's just um
[3:11] » Go ahead. Just report.
>> Yeah, we we had we removed the reports
[3:15] because typically we go over them on in
a regular session and we have a a hefty
[3:19] agenda tonight. Um so that was the
rationale for not having the reports on
[3:25] the agenda.
>> Okay. So this is my question.
[3:29] Uh
we did receive some reports from the uh
[3:33] miss the uh email that you sent out
concerning the reports. I don't see a a
[3:37] report for the city manager and I do not
see a report for the chief of police uh
[3:43] not necessarily that the council would
have to have those reports, but I'd like
[3:46] to see those reports uh uh before the
regular meeting because of the fact and
[3:52] there for citizens also, especially when
it comes down to the police department.
[3:57] Uh I need to I need to still know the
number of service calls uh due to the
[4:03] fact that uh from what I'm understanding
I've asked been asked twice before this
[4:09] day came that um I am against the police
department and I have a petition going
[4:13] around to get rid of the police
department which is far from the truth.
[4:17] Very far from the truth. That is not
true. So, um
[4:22] » I'd like to uh have that make sure that
those reports are sent to me or sent to
[4:26] the council before the regular session
so that uh the citizens will have a
[4:31] chance to view them and I will have the
chance to view them myself.
[4:35] » It's nothing that it's nothing that has
to be inepth to the citizens or to the
[4:39] but at least a report to let them know
what's going on in the city. And like I
[4:43] said, for the police department, I need
the uh uh calls for service from Prince
[4:49] George's County to be able to justify
why we do need a police department.
[4:54] » Okay. Uh well, I'll I'll just add it to
the topics of discussion your request
[4:58] for reports.
>> Um any other discussion?
[5:04] » Yes, Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes, sir. Councilman Williams.
[5:08] » Um I'm looking in the package. I don't
in the written package. I don't have an
[5:13] agenda. So I don't and I don't see the
legislation about the stop sign of Lon
[5:18] Parkway that is it we don't need to go
through that or just need to be a public
[5:24] hearing for next week.
>> Um
[5:28] go through a public hearing already. We
just
[5:30] » It didn't go through a public hearing.
>> Okay. We can make sure it's on a public
[5:34] hearing, but it did go through um
>> we discussed it and everything. I just
[5:38] don't I just want to make sure it's on
the public hearing for next. Thank you.
[5:42] » Thank you for the reminder. We'll look
um into that and make sure it's at the
[5:47] public hearing uh so it can go to the
public hearing and then move forward
[5:51] with the vote since we've already have
it had it at a work session.
[5:57] Uh
[6:01] all right. Uh any other discussion?
I have one Miss Tena Felder is here and
[6:09] she's here to um answer any questions
that we have and make a small
[6:16] presentation and we can do that in the
beginning.
[6:21] All right.
So the amended agenda is to include a
[6:27] [clears throat] topic discussion for
reports uh and Miss Tena Felder for
[6:31] presentation and questions and answers.
Um,
[6:36] any other items?
[6:40] Any opposition to adopting the amended
agenda?
[6:47] Hearing none, by consent, the agenda is
hereby adopted. Uh, Councilman Williams,
[6:53] um,
that you you can get to the agenda
[6:57] online, uh, if you go to the city
website or if if, uh, Council Cler,
[7:04] could you just email him?
>> Yes, I'll get right to it now.
[7:07] » Yeah. Thank you.
[7:11] All right.
[7:16] Moving on to
the agenda. First item on agenda is the
[7:23] resolution to extend contract with GCI
residential.
[7:32] Scroll to it.
>> Point of order.
[7:35] » Mayor,
>> I'm sorry. Thank you. Yes.
[7:38] » You said he's going to talk to a guest.
I'm sorry, Miss
[7:41] » Yes.
That's the same thing I was going to
[7:43] say, sir. Thank you.
>> You are correct. Thank you. I was
[7:46] following the agenda and forgot my notes
that we amended the agenda. So, first
[7:50] item up is Miss Felder. I saw her.
Oh, there she is in my corner. Uh, Miss
[7:56] Felder, you have the floor.
>> Okay. Good evening everyone. Um I am uh
[8:04] giving just an update on the status of
the elevator project um and also the
[8:10] nutrition center council chamber project
as well. Um so for the elevator project
[8:16] um all of the drawings um are 100%
complete and they're with the uh Prince
[8:21] George's County for a permit review and
um we are awaiting some fees that need
[8:27] to be paid so that the permit review
process can continue. Um, I'm
[8:32] anticipating that once the um the fees
are paid and everything has been um
[8:38] assigned to the different reviewers that
we should hopefully be able to get the
[8:42] permit within a 45day period. So, um I'm
I'll be working closely with the
[8:48] reviewers to try to get, you know,
everything approved and any comments
[8:53] that they may have to get those uh
responded to as as quickly as possible
[8:57] so that we can finally get uh all of the
permitting completed for the elevator
[9:03] project.
[9:06] So, that's that's where we are with with
that with the status of that. Um the
[9:11] other project is with the council
chambers and nutrition center. I believe
[9:17] the last time I met with um the council
here um we were just awaiting final
[9:23] direction on the um layout the proposed
layout that we had presented. There were
[9:30] some um back and forth about, you know,
what was going to happen with the
[9:35] nutrition center, what we were going to
put, you know, like the equipment inside
[9:39] of the nutrition center kitchen. Um the
council chambers and things always
[9:44] remained a as we had it originally
designed along with the the restrooms
[9:50] that are redesigned towards the rear of
of the space as well. But we were still
[9:55] awaiting direction as to what we were
going to do with the nutrition center.
[9:59] And I'm just gonna share my screen. Just
give me one second here.
[10:04] » Let me make sure you can share it.
[10:15] » I'm going to send a request to you.
>> Yes. Gray. Can you unlock the um
[10:23] screen share, please?
>> You got it.
[10:31] » Okay, great.
[10:36] » And just let me see where my screen is
visible.
[10:42] » We can see it.
>> Okay. So, um I'm just going to zoom into
[10:46] the the various portions here. So, this
is um the new the council chambers
[10:52] again. Um it's going to be exactly like
what we had um discussed with you and
[10:58] and everybody approved. And if you can
see, can you see this 3D
[11:02] threedimensional? Okay. So, this was a
um just a rendering that was done just
[11:08] to show what the new council chambers
will look like once it's renovated. And
[11:12] basically what we're going to be doing
is redoing the the platform. Um adding
[11:17] the the handicap compliant ramp uh to
get up to the platform. We're adding the
[11:22] the wood panels um around the the entire
perimeter of the of the council
[11:29] chambers. Um redoing the seal that's on
the wall in the back. Um and then on the
[11:34] wall where um this is where the
mechanical room is and this is actually
[11:39] the door that leads out to the exterior
of the the stairwell which leads out to
[11:44] the exterior of the building. So for the
remaining walls we'll be doing
[11:48] acoustical panels on the wall to help
with reverberation purposes um and the
[11:53] acoustical quality within the space and
then also a large um flat panel screen
[11:58] that we would have here for
presentations and things like that. um
[12:03] towards the the back of the space. This
is the wall that's shared with the
[12:07] nutrition center. So again, we're going
to maintain the a large opening between
[12:13] the council chambers and the nutrition
center that can act as overflow, but uh
[12:17] so we're we're instead of doing the
accordion petitions that you have there
[12:21] now, we're going to be um replace that
with um like a sliding glass system. And
[12:27] these can be opaque glass, um you
frosted glass, whatever that we want to
[12:32] do here. Um that will be able to
separate the council chambers from the
[12:37] nutrition center so that when the
council chambers isn't in use, if you
[12:40] want to close it off to the public, then
it can be closed off to the public. And
[12:44] then the the remaining walls on the side
of those um uh that sliding glass panel
[12:49] system will be the acoustical panels um
as well. the nutrition center. Um I just
[12:55] left that as a as a blank space for now.
Basically, what we were going to do is
[12:59] just um refresh all of the finishes that
are inside and also redo the nutrition
[13:06] center kitchen as well. Just kind of um
you know adding some equipment and
[13:11] things. I'll get into that in a second.
But also what we were going to do was
[13:14] replace all the windows um along the the
nutrition center as well because those
[13:20] those are old. I think those are sing
single pane windows, aluminum windows
[13:24] that you have there now. So those were
all going to get replaced and the
[13:27] existing through the wall units that you
have there were going to be taken out
[13:31] and um the mechanical system, you know,
would would be adjusted as needed uh for
[13:37] that area.
So, with the kitchen, the nutrition
[13:41] center kitchen, um what we were
proposing was to um not we um I I
[13:48] believe there was not going to be any
cooking or anything done there. So, uh
[13:52] back in the day, I believe you had like
a range there that was taken out. So,
[13:56] basically all this is is just like a
warming kitchen in in essence. So, we
[14:00] have a three compartment sink, uh things
that comply with the health department,
[14:04] um some shelving. These are stainless
steel tables for prep tables. Uh we'll
[14:09] have a microwave um that's available, a
a column refrigerator and freezer, which
[14:15] is commercial grade. And also this is a
food warmer um that's here in the corner
[14:21] where um if you have food brought in
then they can use the warmer to just
[14:25] keep the food warm. And then we would
have a hand sink as well which also
[14:29] complies with um um health department
standards.
[14:34] And also in the rear um the back area
where the two toilets, the men's and
[14:38] women's toilets are, those will be um
completely reconfigured um so that they
[14:44] can be truly ADA compliant. Right now I
I know back in the past back in I
[14:49] believe when we first started working
with you all was back in 2008 I believe
[14:54] and the first um scope part of the scope
of work was to add like some ADA
[14:59] compliant things to the restrooms. So,
these restrooms are going to actually be
[15:03] completely demoed out and and redone and
um reconfigured. Um taking some space
[15:09] from the adjacent storage and that that
closet that's in the middle that would
[15:13] be taken out as well. That janitor's
closet would be relocated so that we can
[15:18] um create full ADA compliant handicap
stalls. Um and then have the the ADA
[15:23] accessibility that we need in both
restrooms.
[15:28] And that is the that's pretty much what
the layout is. Um so we were just
[15:33] awaiting direction from the council. Um
because I think if once we get direction
[15:38] from you, if you say this is okay,
proceed uh with the final construction
[15:43] documents, um we we've already about
maybe I would say about 65% complete
[15:49] with the drawings for this as this is
laid out right now. So if you give the
[15:53] go ahead, we would only need about uh 30
days to be able to complete those
[15:57] drawings. And then those can also be
submitted for permitting as well. And I
[16:02] know that um one of the things that we
had discussed um uh previously in other
[16:07] meetings was um you know since you were
going to be doing the elevator and it
[16:12] was going to require some downtown down
time in that area um where the council
[16:19] chambers is that it would be nice to
also go ahead and have the council
[16:22] chambers in that area done at the same
time um to minimize mobilization costs
[16:27] with the construction company but also
so that you know when everything is
[16:31] finished then that whole area can be can
be reopened.
[16:38] So that that concludes um the the
updates that I have at this time.
[16:44] » Okay. Thank you. Uh any questions from
council councilwoman cross?
[16:54] » Thank you Miss Felder for that uh
update. I do have one question. You
[16:58] mentioned the year group which I am
floored by 2008.
[17:04] That means you've been working this
project for 18 years. Um I don't know
[17:11] how you feel about that number but it
seems like we could have built a whole
[17:14] new municipal center in 18 years. So,
can you talk to us about what have been
[17:19] our budgetary
obligations over these 18 years and how
[17:24] much are we in for on these projects and
uh one elevator to uh now the added
[17:32] council chambers and I presume that's
the only two things that you're doing
[17:37] for us
>> over the correct
[17:39] » 18 years. Can you give me a financial
rundown of what we look like
[17:46] we invested thus far from the city's tax
dollars? Thank you.
[17:50] » Sure. Um I I don't have all of those
figures in front of me. I didn't know
[17:53] that was going to be a question. I can
certainly provide uh what has been on
[17:57] the architectural side. Um but it's all
been done in phases. So when we were
[18:02] first um hired uh with the city of
Glennard, the first phase was to do some
[18:07] ADA retrofit um items. So that included
what I was talking about certain things
[18:12] like adding push buttons to doors,
adding grab bars to the restrooms and
[18:17] also the parking lot um um construction
where the ADA um compliant spaces were
[18:24] provided and also the walkway on the
lower level, not on the upper level,
[18:28] just on the lower level. Um and so that
was phase one. Then fa while we were
[18:33] working on that, phase two came along
where it was the elevator idea. I
[18:38] believe we started working on the
elevator I want to say 2010 I could be
[18:42] wrong plus or minus a year um with the
elevator and we had actually completed
[18:48] um the full construction documents and
everything at that time it was a design
[18:52] build so uh we there was a contractor on
board and the contractor was working
[18:57] directly with with the city um in in
terms of you know the pricing everything
[19:03] um and then I I don't know exactly what
happened but all I know is that the the
[19:06] project was hauled Ed um from the city
um and so it's been kind of like a start
[19:12] stop start stop start stop stop stop
[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
stop stop stop stop stop um from that
[19:15] point on so I don't have what the
financial
[19:19] um the total financial picture I can
give what the architectural fees have
[19:24] been up to that point um but I I don't
have that information with me but I can
[19:28] certainly provide that
>> thank you for that is uh the treasurer
[19:33] on Mr. Stewart, do you have a financial
picture of how much the city has
[19:38] invested thus far in this project,
elevator project as well as the uh
[19:44] council chambers?
[19:48] » Thanks, Councilwoman Ross. Um I will
have to do the same by looking into the
[19:54] information to see how much we could
have and I'll get back to the council on
[19:59] um what has been incurred over that
period of time.
[20:04] Thank you.
[20:07] » Thank you, Mr. Stewart.
Is that all? Councilwoman Cross.
[20:13] » Yes, that's all. I would like to have
those numbers um one from the city, but
[20:18] also Miss Felder, I would like to have
your numbers as well uh sent to the
[20:23] council team so that it can also be made
available to the citizens so that they
[20:28] have an appreciation for the investment
thus far. Thank you. will do.
[20:33] » Councilwoman Jones.
[20:38] » Thank you, Mayor Cross. Um, thank you,
Miss Felder, for the followup. As a uh
[20:42] follow up on what Councilwoman Cross has
presented, my question is uh the last
[20:47] time we met with you concerning this. We
saw this all of this uh presentation
[20:53] that you brought tonight. I'm can't
understand what the between I think it
[20:58] was almost two years ago that we met
with you. What was the what
[21:03] where where what was the the fallout
between the last meeting we had
[21:08] downstairs in the council chambers with
you and these drawings and today
[21:13] » with with regards to the council
chambers themselves or the elevator
[21:18] project
>> all of it.
[21:20] » Okay. Um so with I'm going to start with
the with the council chambers. So when
[21:26] um we when I had presented these
drawings before um we received um
[21:32] direction that uh the council was
possibly looking at instead of um having
[21:37] the nutrition center as the nutrition
center to actually allocate some of that
[21:43] as part of the police department. And I
actually um had done like a a schematic
[21:49] of if we had divided up the space um
where we just used a portion of it for
[21:55] the nutrition center and then added some
of the space allocated some of that
[22:00] space for the um for the police
department. So, I know that that was at
[22:05] at that point that's when we kind of
stopped everything because there was
[22:09] talk about if there was going to be a
new police department somewhere or if
[22:13] the some of the space was going to be
taken and added to the police
[22:16] department. Um, so that that's where the
that part project stopped. And so that's
[22:22] why we were waiting on direction or as
to should we continue forward to
[22:27] complete this or were there other plans
for for that space. So, that's what
[22:32] that's what happened with the nutrition
center in the council chambers. Um, in
[22:37] terms of the elevator project, um, we
ran into a a few little hiccups um with
[22:42] with my my engineers, but we got
everything worked out and um and so
[22:48] that's why we're we're trying to get
everything completed with the with the
[22:52] county in terms of the permit review.
>> Okay. So at this juncture um for this
[22:59] project to move forward the three of
those projects the elevator the
[23:04] nutrition center and the council
chambers
[23:08] to move forward we at this juncture
you're saying that we have to make a a
[23:13] payment to the permit or the permits has
an invoice or anything's been submitted
[23:18] to the administration with a figure that
we owe for the permits
[23:23] » yes Mr. gardener has the invoice from
the county with the permit fees and a
[23:26] breakdown of the fees.
>> I don't see a resolution on the um
[23:31] docket for that, but I guess we'll have
to discuss that uh with the um
[23:39] city manager.
>> I I can chime in very briefly. Thank you
[23:43] for the question. Um the contract that
we have with the architect uh indicates
[23:50] that the the payment of fees uh to the
county for permits is on the city. Um
[23:57] and the the county has provided a
breakdown of the fees. There are
[24:04] actually two payments. Uh the first
payment is uh for u between9 and $10,000
[24:12] which is due prior to the uh the county
starting their review. And then the
[24:19] second payment is at the end of the
process and it is also for about um 9 or
[24:26] $10,000.
Um, so if um if council prefers to to do
[24:32] a motion or resolution to approve those
fees, we can do that. Um, I I wasn't
[24:37] sure whether uh since it was in the
contract that we would be responsible,
[24:42] whether that would be um considered
approved per the contract, but either
[24:47] way is fine.
[24:51] Well, I mean, if we're going to move
forward with these projects, we're going
[24:55] to have to stay on top of them. And
whatever we need the next step is when
[24:59] the balls in our court, we need to move
forward. Uh if it's not in our court, we
[25:04] need to f figure out whose court is in
and get them to move move the uh project
[25:09] forward. I mean, we just can't sit on
this. We've been sitting on this like uh
[25:12] Councilwoman Cross has said uh as the
elevator especially for 18 years. And I
[25:18] know for at least two years that we last
met with Miss Felder, we've been sitting
[25:22] on this project.
Thank you, Mayor Curtis. Thank you, Miss
[25:26] Felder.
>> Thank you,
[25:31] Councilman Williams.
[25:41] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There
there's an elephant in the room that I
[25:46] think needs to be addressed.
Last because I came in the back end in
[25:51] this and the last meeting I was in with
Miss Felder.
[25:58] I recall,
and maybe I'm wrong, but council
[26:03] members, I do recall we asked the status
of where we was with the elevator and we
[26:09] were told that we were impermitted.
So, we asked how many more days it going
[26:15] to be and we was given some days.
So,
[26:21] now today meeting and she said we just
figuring stuff out.
[26:27] But I do recall and we can bring up the
tape if there is tape that you told us
[26:35] that we asked where we were the elevator
and you told us they were in permitting.
[26:40] You submitted it for review and
permitting and that's the last we heard.
[26:46] So please help me understand the
difference.
[26:49] » Yeah. So at that
>> Sure. At that time I was working with um
[26:54] park and planning um to see any
requirements that I needed in terms of
[26:59] the um a woodland conservation exemption
or uh um natural resource inventory
[27:06] exemption. So at that time I was working
with um with park and planning um you
[27:12] know trying to get that done. Um, and
then we had finished up all of the
[27:17] drawings. Um, but there were a few
things that we needed to add uh to the
[27:21] drawings. Um, some life safety things um
sheets that we added to the the per the
[27:26] permit set. Um, so we got all of that
resolved and then um the initial
[27:31] application that I had submitted um had
timed out in the system and so um I had
[27:37] to resubmit a new application and and
that's where we are today.
[27:45] So, what you're telling us today is, and
I don't know how many months ago that
[27:50] was, that you submitted an application,
it wasn't
[27:56] complete,
and it timed out
[28:00] » and
you then had to submit some more
[28:05] information to get it to where it is
now.
[28:08] » Correct.
And are you telling me it's is ready for
[28:14] permitting now?
>> Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I I
[28:17] » All right. So, when you said it was in
permitting before,
[28:20] uh, did we pay fees?
>> No, you didn't pay any fees. You didn't
[28:24] pay I I didn't invoice and you didn't
pay any fees.
[28:28] » Why not?
>> Because I was working with park and
[28:31] planning at the time and and the fees
were not required at that time.
[28:35] » But they required now,
>> right? because this is dealing with the
[28:38] the building permit for the entire
project.
[28:42] » Okay. I it it something still don't
sound right to me. Uh Mr. there. And
[28:50] I just think that we get somebody
dedicated because I I can't remember how
[28:56] many months ago, but this has been too
long working with this vendor and for us
[29:04] not to come back now to tell us it was
timed out. That should have been told to
[29:09] us back when it was timed out.
What was going on? I apologize for any
[29:17] any um delays and things that I that may
have caused on my end. Um I again as I
[29:24] mentioned I have been involved with the
city since 2008 and so this project is a
[29:30] project where I I I view it as in lack
of a better terms like my baby because
[29:37] we've been again we've been involved
with this for that that entire period of
[29:41] time and so it it I am dedicated to
making sure that we do what we need to
[29:47] do to to see this come to fruition just
because we've been involved with it for
[29:52] so long
and and and we do we do have everything
[29:56] that's needed um so that we can get
everything done as quickly as possible.
[30:02] » But I would I used to be a CPS child
protective service worker and if this is
[30:08] your baby, we would have you for
neglect.
[30:11] So I will hope from this point on I I
accept your apology because that's what
[30:16] I was waiting to hear because we was
told one thing and it what didn't
[30:20] happen. you sending us now. So, I'm just
asking the administration, the mayor to
[30:25] sign somebody. I don't care if it's a
council member or staff. We need
[30:30] consistency to make sure this things go
through as councilwoman Jones has said.
[30:36] Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, for my
time.
[30:48] » Thank you, Councilman Williams. Uh,
Mayor Proton Ferguson.
[30:52] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, I want to address
the issue about the um the cost of the
[30:59] um permitting. I think it I'm thinking
roughly might be like 18,000, but um I
[31:05] think it was a figure of 91
um down payment, which I was made aware
[31:11] of. I mean, a week ago or so, and I had
a conversation with um Mr. Gardner um
[31:16] and we went back and forth with that. as
a matter of fact, spent some time on it
[31:20] because he originally wanted to uh
present it to to the um council
[31:26] to to get it done just by motion. And so
we went back and you know, you know, let
[31:31] them know that, you know, what the
charter says as far as anything $2,000
[31:36] up to 6,000,
but less than 6,000, we could um let us
[31:42] know 3 days ahead of time. But anything
6,000 or more, we had to do a
[31:48] resolution. And I mean, you know, I
guess um maybe what he's familiar with
[31:53] from other municipalities, whatever. But
the bottom line is we came to the
[31:58] conclusion that um a resolution had to
be done and I did tell him um well
[32:04] mentioned to him you know you know
you're going to have to do a resolution
[32:08] for the monies. So the fact that it is
not in this package I have a problem
[32:13] with that also um as councilwoman Jones
did because these are the type of things
[32:17] that that um that you know set us back.
I mean, this was mentioned. I mean, he
[32:23] still can he still can be put in this
package um for the public hearing, but
[32:27] the fact of the matter, it just should
have been done last week um when we
[32:30] talked about it. And so, um my I have a
problem with with the fact that it
[32:34] wasn't I was looking for it and I have a
problem that it's not in here because
[32:37] these are the little small things that
that um you know uh stagnate the um the
[32:44] projects. So, um I would like to um give
a directive to have that resolution done
[32:51] up and it needs to be in this packet so
that we can vote on it or whether we I
[32:55] don't know what we're going to do
whether we're going to go through the
[32:58] the regular um stage you know with the
public hearing and then they um you know
[33:03] I mean you know we need to get it voted
on this month. So again like I said it
[33:09] should have been done. Thank you mayor.
[33:14] Thank you,
[33:17] Councilwoman Cross.
[33:22] » Thank you so much. Yes. Uh so I did a
quick pull on our resolutions and
[33:29] different things and uh we right now
have $1,891
[33:36] um set aside for the FY26 capital budget
which has been identified for the two
[33:42] project lines. That's the elevator
project at $1,313
[33:49] $1,000. $1,313,000
and then $578,000
[33:56] for the nutrition center/chambers
for the city council upgrade. Now, that
[34:02] combines again to 1,891,000.
[34:08] So now the discussion that I go back to
um takes us back to just 2022. So you
[34:16] say you've been with this since 2008. We
definitely need to get an update um to
[34:22] update these budgetary numbers. But that
was the councilmatic decision on these
[34:28] chambers. And of course during that time
we all are familiar with the fact that
[34:33] we were under co monies and all of that
was part of the discussion plan for the
[34:39] center the bathrooms uh recognizing the
expenditures and the approvals. Now
[34:45] there was no amount identified or cited
at that time but then the ARPA financing
[34:51] source was identified at $300,000
and that was partitioned for fiscal year
[34:58] 23 um and and to 24 and see that was
part of the capital planning. So for me,
[35:06] I mean, just right now, there seems to
be a lot of money that's just been
[35:11] chunked at this project for nothing
really to have come out of it. And
[35:15] that's just 2022.
And then if we go into 2024,
[35:21] uh you know, we had a city manager
project report and of course we've
[35:25] switched through about four city
managers now. So the chambers and
[35:30] nutrition center renovation was
discussed and that was back in March. So
[35:35] the ARPA funding was a project activity
that was a that was provided to support
[35:42] this project. And then we had another
procurement initiative that happened um
[35:50] shortly after that dealing with the
elevator construction the RFP and that
[35:54] appeared in legislation and then it was
approved. So that was late 24 to 25 and
[36:02] that was resolution 12 2025.
So Miss Felder, I'm just I I am equally
[36:09] as concerned as everyone else that has
spoken uh you know and I kick this off
[36:14] by saying 18 years is a long time you
know to be waiting for something to be
[36:19] delivered. Uh particularly when we look
at you know at least three or four
[36:24] different contractors that have shifted
off this job. Now, I don't know what
[36:28] role you would play into, you know,
seeking uh refunds from these
[36:33] contractors that didn't complete the
task action, but we've had separate
[36:39] capital lines for the elevator project,
the nutrition center, and the chamber
[36:43] upgrades
um at least since 2022, May 17th of
[36:48] 2022.
So I I
[36:53] every time that we ask about what's
going on, how much longer, uh it
[37:00] shouldn't be, uh, you know, the round
robin because we're keeping record and
[37:04] we're keeping track of the conversation
and we can't just wash, rinse, and
[37:08] repeat. So, it seems to me that with
1,313,000
[37:16] programmed for these projects that that
should be part of the permitting and
[37:21] everything included, not another almost
$20,000
[37:25] and a new resolution because that's part
of the proposed budgetary plan for these
[37:31] projects. So, is there a reason why the
proposed budgetary plan uh at least like
[37:38] I said, I'm just tracking back 2022
cannot be utilized to complete this. Why
[37:44] do we keep getting nickeled and dimed is
my question relative to this project?
[37:51] And um I would appreciate some response
on that because again u I'm looking at
[37:56] just at almost um $2.5
million. That's a lot of money that's
[38:04] been allocated to these projects and
we're just refoundationing the council
[38:10] chambers, you know, with a few upgrades.
Thank you.
[38:19] » Thank you. Is that is that
>> that's for Miss Felder? I need some
[38:24] clarity. Uh Miss Felder, are you the
project manager on this project?
[38:28] » Yes. So So let me let me make sure it's
it's understood. When I say we started
[38:33] working back in 2008, we started working
back with specific scopes of work. The
[38:38] elevator project came up, but it was
stopped not because of us, but because
[38:42] of the city. The city stopped the work.
And then we weren't contacted again
[38:46] about it until I want to say um Miss
Beverly when the city manager Beverly I
[38:54] I can't remember her last name. Do you
guys know who I'm talking about?
[38:57] » Yes.
>> Habatada. Miss Beverly Habata. I what
[39:01] that's when I that's when it came up
again on you all's end and she contacted
[39:06] me because we were the architects who
had worked with the city previously and
[39:10] the work stopped not because of us but
because of whatever was going on with
[39:14] the city which I wasn't privy to. I
don't know what happened. All I know is
[39:18] that the the projects just stopped.
Okay. And then years later, Miss Habata
[39:23] contacted us um 2022, whatever it was,
2023, and said, "Hey, um the city is
[39:29] interested in revitalizing the the um
elevator project." And then the the
[39:35] nutrition center and council chambers
wasn't even part of it. That didn't come
[39:39] until later. So So it's not this hasn't
been like an 18 year where I've been
[39:44] involved and haven't produced and
money's been spent on this project and
[39:48] things like that. No, not at all. We,
like I said, we started the project um
[39:52] under a contract that was given with the
city of Glennard under design build. So,
[39:57] our we were the architects that were
selected. The the I believe the contract
[40:01] was directly with whatever the
contractor was, whoever the contractor
[40:05] was at the time and then the city
stopped the project and then came back
[40:09] to us years later and said we wanted to
revitalize the project and that's where
[40:13] we came in again.
So, I hope I hope that brings brings a
[40:18] little clarity to the timeline and the
time frame.
[40:22] » That was with Corin Construction.
>> I I I was actually um yeah, Corick was
[40:28] not involved in way back in the day when
we first started. That was another
[40:32] contractor. I can't remember the name of
the contractor, but that was another
[40:36] contractor who was involved back then.
coordinate came in when the elevator
[40:40] project was definitive within what the
last year two years ago
[40:45] » 24
>> right that's when they were introduced
[40:48] to the project
>> and then before that was red leaf
[40:51] architects
>> redlift group that's that's us that's me
[40:54] redlift group architects is me
>> okay so we've had red lift red leaf
[41:00] architects proposals
associated since 24 along with uh
[41:06] » Cornic
>> and and um you've been with us and then
[41:10] coordinate construction presented a new
design buildout proposal for the senior
[41:15] center and the council chambers May 4th
of 2026 during a council work session.
[41:23] And so now from that position when they
presented uh Carneck was directed to
[41:30] forward the design bill to the
treasurer. Has that happened?
[41:39] Not not that I'm aware of.
>> Okay. That was council medicic direction
[41:43] and that was given May 4th of 2026.
That's this year. Cornic was directed to
[41:49] forward the design build contract
documents to the treasurer and the
[41:54] council also discussed the storage for
the council room. So this is where we I
[42:01] think as I know I am speaking for
myself. It is very concerning when you
[42:07] say oh the city reached out to me the
city reached out to me. You are a hired
[42:14] support to manage this project. Manage
it. And the city is like the parent.
[42:21] Okay. And and you say hey mom dad we
need X. Mom Dad here's what's happening.
[42:28] This is now falling off the B. This
contractor walked off the job. But there
[42:33] the each time it's been the city had to
reach out and beg and ask what's going
[42:38] on with our project. No more of that. I
I would ask that that's not where we're
[42:42] at in the future because we definitely
gave direction on May 4th. That hasn't
[42:48] been taken care of and we're sitting in
um my heavens, this is, you know,
[42:54] September. I I wasn't included on the
May 4th direction.
[42:59] » Corin was. So maybe we follow up with uh
the teammates that came for Corin's work
[43:05] session May 4th because that was the
direction forwarded to build design
[43:10] contract to our treasurer so that we can
have an appreciation of what this looks
[43:15] like. Uh and again [clears throat] we
put a budgetary allotment of one now
[43:22] it's 1.891 891.
So 1,891,000
[43:29] against this is set to be in the FY uh
well FY26 approved budget. Okay. So um I
[43:38] just would like to see the finances
tighten up on this project. I would like
[43:42] to see the project management, project
direction tighten up on this project and
[43:47] don't yield to the city who is buying a
project to manage the project. We need a
[43:54] manager that, you know, works with our
city manager to get it done.
[44:00] All right. We appreciate your time,
ma'am.
[44:05] » All right. Thank you, Mr. Gardner. Did
you have a comment?
[44:09] » Um, just a quick a quick comment. Um,
I um have been in touch with uh the
[44:17] construction firm that was mentioned.
Um, I believe council um authorized that
[44:25] firm to provide a proposal uh to the
city. Um, I I checked with the city
[44:32] attorney. the city attorney had not
reviewed the proposal and at that time
[44:39] um there hadn't been communications with
red left for some time and so I reached
[44:46] out to red to see what the status was uh
of the elevator project. The um proposal
[44:56] from the other firm would have involved
um completely
[45:03] doing doing new designs. Uh and it was a
design build proposal.
[45:09] Um I think uh the
best way forward for the city since Redl
[45:18] is
uh has has submitted for permit. I think
[45:23] the fastest way for the city to move the
project forward is to uh have the county
[45:31] review ultimately approve the design
that REDLE has prepared. Um, with those
[45:39] uh permitted plans, the city can go out
to bid and it can be a competitive bid
[45:45] to identify the the best uh construction
firm that uh you want to see for this
[45:53] project. Uh the city would also at that
time decide whether or not it needed its
[45:59] own construction manager or whether red
left could do the construction
[46:04] management.
um and kind of move forward from there.
[46:08] The the city has budgeted
uh significant funds for the project. Uh
[46:14] but um the vast majority of those funds
have not been spent. [snorts] I know the
[46:20] the the current contract with REDLE is I
think for less than $30,000
[46:26] that involves the submission of the um
drawings for permit approval. But we
[46:34] will get you the total amount spent um
probably just in a in a day or two.
[46:45] » I do have a question. [clears throat] Um
so with the drawings being sent for
[46:51] permitting, who owns the drawings? Does
the city own the drawings or does
[46:55] Retliff own the drawings? Miss Felder?
Well, technically Rhett owns the the
[46:59] copyright of the drawings because I I am
the architect of record on the project.
[47:04] So, I am the one who stamps the
drawings. Uh so, they they come under my
[47:08] my my purview um for that. And so, then,
you know, that's why when we submit
[47:14] everything, then they come back with
comments, we do what we have to do to
[47:18] address whatever comments we have so
that we can get the the approvals from
[47:22] from the from the um the county.
>> Okay. Okay. So, any back and forth is
[47:26] handled by your company.
>> Correct.
[47:29] » Okay.
All right.
[47:34] » And and just um I'm sorry, I didn't mean
to. May I say anything? Yeah. One more
[47:37] thing. Um and what I did was I made sure
that Mr. Gardner has access to the
[47:43] permit portal as well. So, he'll be able
to see the progress of the permit review
[47:49] as we go along.
>> Okay.
[47:55] All right.
Thank you.
[48:02] Is there any uh further questions for
Miss Felder before we move on?
[48:10] So, as we sum it up, what's Oh, I'm
sorry. Uh, Councilwoman Cross.
[48:16] » Hi. Yes. Thank you so much. I I would
just like to have those plans um once
[48:23] again made available uh for you know a
releaseable version for the city for the
[48:29] people so they can understand what the
new design bill proposal looks like and
[48:35] that way we have a formal record of it
being sent and an acceptance email if
[48:40] you will from the treasur uh on the
proposed document uh because I'm not
[48:46] aware of the treasur measure of sending
us anything that gives us, you know, a
[48:51] solid appreciation of what this project
is going to cost. I don't want any
[48:55] project overruns and we don't want any
more uh scope creep on this project.
[49:00] Thank you,
[49:08] » Councilman Williams.
Question. Uh, I've heard a statement
[49:13] that Red Leaf, whatever the company is,
Red something owns owns the plans. My
[49:20] question, at what point do we own the
plan? Have we paid to
[49:26] do the work? What at what point do we
own the plans?
[49:32] » I'm sorry, I was muted. Um, once uh the
the final fees are paid to me per my
[49:38] contract, then you own the plans. And
then also you you you are the applicant.
[49:44] Um I'm just acting as your agent, but
for the permit, you are named the city
[49:49] is named as the applicant on the on the
actual permit. So So it'll say to the
[49:54] city of Glennard um on the on the
permits.
[49:58] » I understand that. But if that's the
case, then at that point when
[50:04] you submit or you said you already
submitted it,
[50:08] » correct?
>> Don't we own the plans? Because if it's
[50:10] our project and we our permit and we
submitting the plan, is it our
[50:14] ownership? Wouldn't it be our ownership?
>> Yeah. Once once the the final fees are
[50:19] paid on on the contract to Rutniff
Group,
[50:23] » you didn't ask my question. I asked you
a direct question. You submitted permit
[50:28] with our name under our name.
>> Correct.
[50:32] » So, are you saying that we don't own the
plans with a permit that's already
[50:37] submitted with our name on? Well, when I
I I think that the it's getting confused
[50:41] what it means owns the plan. When you
say owns the plans, what what are you
[50:45] what exactly are you referring to? Just
so I can make sure we're we're talking
[50:48] about the same thing.
>> What do you what do you the issue is
[50:51] with you? One usually think you own own
the pan, you have control of the plans.
[50:56] » So So as right so as the architect of
record, I am responsible for the plans.
[51:01] I'm I am taking ownership of the
information and the details and things
[51:06] that are within those plans. So, so
that's why another architect couldn't
[51:12] come and just take my plans and and and
you know claim them as their own because
[51:18] we have copyright um laws that are with
when architects produce drawings and
[51:23] they stamp drawings.
So as the city
[51:27] » but if they change
if they change if they change your
[51:31] drawing then you it's like any copyright
is change is another is is so I get okay
[51:37] I I got what I want. Thank you very much
Mr. Mayor.
[51:43] » Thank you.
All right. Are there any other questions
[51:48] for Miss Felter?
[51:53] So summing everything up, the balls in
our court as relates to the permanent
[52:02] process for the elevator and the
um council chambers and nutrition
[52:08] center. Correct.
>> That's correct. So with the elevator,
[52:13] the ball is in your court in terms of
the fees. All I need to know for the
[52:17] nutrition center, like I said, the
drawings are like 60 65% complete. All I
[52:23] need to know is the if the way that we
have it laid out is acceptable to the
[52:28] city and then that way we can just
finish up the final details for that so
[52:32] that that can get submitted as well.
>> Okay. So that's not impermanent. Only
[52:37] the elevator projects impermanent.
>> Correct.
[52:40] » Okay.
All right. And Mr. Garner, the total for
[52:46] that permitting is what?
>> Uh the total is just under uh $20,000
[52:53] for the elevator permitting. The first
payment is just under 10.
[53:02] » To be exact, it's $9,998
and87.
[53:07] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[53:08] » All right,
>> Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. One one quick
[53:12] thing to just for clarification. I
believe, Miss Felder, the current
[53:17] contract the city has
uh does not include your providing the
[53:23] construction drawings for the council
chambers and the nutrition center. Is
[53:28] that correct?
>> No, it does.
[53:30] » It does include Okay. Okay. My my
mistake. So, um,
[53:37] you need a green light on whether to
proceed with that and, uh, we need to
[53:42] pay the fees so that the, uh, elevator
project can be reviewed.
[53:47] » That's correct.
>> And, and how much is owed on the
[53:50] contract with Red Lift?
>> Um, I don't. Do you do you have that
[53:55] with you, Mr. I don't have it in front
of me. I'm sorry. I
[53:58] » I do not. I just remember that the the
the total cost of your most recent
[54:03] contract, I believe, was less than
$30,000.
[54:09] » Okay.
>> I I I can have that information over
[54:11] tomorrow to Mr. Gardner.
>> All right. Thank you. Uh final comment
[54:18] to Councilwoman Cross and then we can
move on.
[54:21] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And also for the
Cornick uh design um budget documents,
[54:27] we need that as well, please. Um because
I I don't recall the treasur ever
[54:33] sending those out to us. The Cornick was
supposed to send us the design bill
[54:38] contract documents as well so that we
can understand how that's being priced
[54:44] out for each of those designs. Can you
send us that as well?
[54:49] I I will touch base with Cornick on
that. Yes. Well,
[54:53] » um and I'm sorry I can um add to that.
Uh we we do have the proposal from
[54:58] Cornick that was uh for a full uh design
build uh based on conceptual drawings,
[55:06] not on approved uh permitted plans.
And I I say that to emphasize that it's
[55:15] hard to get a hard number from uh
conceptual plans, but I believe the
[55:22] documents that they provided to me were
documents that they had provided to the
[55:26] council, but I I will make sure you get
those.
[55:30] » Uh thank you, Mr. Garner. I appreciate
that. Uh I am I appreciate and I'm also
[55:34] concerned by the statement because we're
paying a permit on conceptional plans.
[55:39] stand.
>> No, no, I'm I'm sorry.
[55:43] Very two separate two separate
proposals, two separate tracks. Um,
[55:51] Miss Miss Felder and her firm are
finishing up uh construction drawings
[55:58] that will be permitted. Uh and once they
are stamped and permitted by the county
[56:05] uh the city can uh ask for construct
construction companies to bid on
[56:11] building that project. The proposal from
uh Cornick was to do a design build and
[56:20] they would do their own elevator design
and then they would be the contractor to
[56:27] build that project.
Um, so, um, the the
[56:35] the quickest way I think to get to a
competitive bid for a new elevator
[56:42] would be to
um get the plans approved by
[56:50] uh, Redliff.
The other option would be to to stop
[56:57] that process and go with another firm
whether it's Cornic or somebody else but
[57:04] that firm would have to essentially
start the design from the beginning.
[57:11] » I I understand that Mr. Gardner uh
Redlev had communicated earlier that
[57:16] there was a proposal submitted and it
termed out. So we are we are submitting
[57:23] the same old proposal. Uh there was some
new additions to the proposal because
[57:29] it's the same building and the same
[music]
[57:33] need. So um I'm I again uh we'll discuss
offline but I I am going to say I'm
[57:42] concerned about that proposal now being
submitted. We already had it submitted
[57:48] once it timed out. Is it the same
proposal that we're bringing back for
[57:53] another permit?
And what happened to the old permit
[57:58] money? I mean, we sought a permit, it
timed out. Do you just lose it? The
[58:03] county keeps your money.
>> That that um I I think it's it's a
[58:07] little um confusion there. That first
one was there was no permit fee paid
[58:12] because that wasn't um the county's
review. That was park and planning was
[58:17] reviewing. There was no fees associated
with that at that time. So, this is the
[58:21] first time that I'm asking um the for
fees for the actual permit from the
[58:26] county.
>> Thank you, ma'am.
[58:28] » Okay.
[58:34] » Okay. Thank you, Miss Felder.
>> Thank you very much, everyone.
[58:42] [clears throat]
>> All right. Next item on the agenda
[58:47] is the resolution to extend the contract
with GCI residential. Um Mr. Gardner,
[58:54] it's my understanding that you also
wanted to discuss this in close session
[58:59] as relates to this contract.
>> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Um there couple
[59:06] things that I want to make sure council
is aware of. Um the current contract
[59:13] with uh GCI uh ends at September 27th
and we need to come to an agreement with
[59:21] them uh prior to that. And so I'd ask
that um you introduce a resolution
[59:29] tonight. We can have a close session
discussion. There will be a public
[59:33] hearing and council can uh make
amendments. um as they desire uh before
[59:42] the final vote, but we would want it to
be approved on the 21st.
[59:48] And um I apologize. I thought that the
two options that they had provided
[59:55] um were included in the packet and and
they were not and I I emailed them to
[1:00:01] you separately uh just a couple hours
ago, a few hours ago.
[1:00:06] Um
essentially,
[1:00:09] um GCI has proposed
uh one option which is a one-year
[1:00:17] agreement
and the rate would go from $31.75
[1:00:23] per household to uh $349
per household per month
[1:00:32] or a two-year extension.
where the price would go from 3175
[1:00:41] to 3317
and then the second year there be a 4%
[1:00:49] increase.
Now, there are some questions that I've
[1:00:52] asked uh the company to respond to
regarding other fees related to uh the
[1:01:00] county tipping fee cost and um a
possible increase for fuel search charge
[1:01:08] that I haven't gotten response to yet,
but we can still um get a dis we can
[1:01:15] still discuss in close session if you
wish um and get direction on how you
[1:01:21] want to proceed,
but I I wouldn't want you to approve or
[1:01:27] I'm sorry, I would want you to introduce
a resolution tonight.
[1:01:31] » Okay. Thank you, Councilman Williams.
[1:01:41] I just want to make a recommendation
that we come back and discuss
[1:01:47] Miss Felders
um and and moving forward.
[1:01:53] I I don't feel comfortable with her. I
don't tr I don't trust her. That's just
[1:01:59] me and I want to get feedback from the
council. So, we can do it today or
[1:02:03] another meeting, but I I I would like to
have a
[1:02:08] conversation, followup conversation with
the council members of what she said and
[1:02:13] uh what she said she did.
>> Thank you.
[1:02:18] » Is that a a topic that we could discuss
in tonight's close session or does it
[1:02:23] have to be open?
>> I can't hear you.
[1:02:30] It's a open it's it's open.
Um there's nothing closed about it that
[1:02:38] I would think it could be closed about.
So it would be topic of such a
[1:02:42] discussion follow up her her um
interview or her presentation.
[1:02:50] » Okay.
[1:02:57] » All right. Um so R-04-2027
[1:03:04] resolution to extend contract with GCI
is still introduced tonight. Uh council
[1:03:10] will discuss the terms and the close
session. Um and then it will go to
[1:03:16] public hearing next week.
[1:03:24] Okay. any
Okay, we'll just move on.
[1:03:30] Um,
so this
[1:03:34] slight error we this a resolution
R-05-2027
[1:03:39] resolution to hire a new police chief.
That resolution was already introduced,
[1:03:44] so we don't need a new number for it. It
was introduced uh in 2026. We just need
[1:03:48] to vote on it. Um, so we'll find that
resolution. Um, it's already been to a
[1:03:54] public hearing. We just need to the
chiefest has been hired uh but as a
[1:04:00] formality we just need to pass the
resolution.
[1:04:04] Uh next is the resolution for removal
and replacement of heat pump uh
[1:04:11] R-06-2027
[1:04:14] um
and the related
[1:04:21] well
Mr. Are these two different things
[1:04:24] removal and replacement of the heat pump
and replacement
[1:04:29] of motor for heat pump? Why are these in
two separate resolutions?
[1:04:34] » Yeah, there they're sort of two options
for council to consider. Um the um we I
[1:04:41] had indicated to council earlier that uh
a motor was going to cost uh $4,000 when
[1:04:49] the contractor expected it to be less
than two and there was questions as to
[1:04:55] whether we could find a less expensive
motor. Uh we were not able to find a
[1:05:00] less expensive motor. Um his
recommendation is to replace the entire
[1:05:07] unit. Um the cost to replace the entire
unit uh which includes a piece on the
[1:05:14] roof and includes controls in the
building um would be $20,000 58.
[1:05:24] Um the unit uh is obsolete. the freon in
it is not the freon that is permitted at
[1:05:32] this time. Um, we did have a proposal
for the same replacement with a
[1:05:42] different brand unit uh in February and
that was for about $24,000.
[1:05:50] Um, I reached out to the firm to see if
that price was still good and they were
[1:05:55] going to send me confirmation and I have
not received it yet.
[1:06:01] But council could either um just replace
the motor for $6,200 and some dollars or
[1:06:14] uh replace the entire unit which would
be a little over $20,000.
[1:06:21] Okay.
Thank you. Uh, Councilwoman Jones.
[1:06:26] » Thank you, Mayor Curtis. I'm due to
going through this same process with my
[1:06:31] residential home. My air conditioner
went out August the 11th, and I'm going
[1:06:34] through this same thing. I would like to
see a proposal or invoice or work order
[1:06:40] telling us uh exactly what we're getting
for $20,000. How many? You said this is
[1:06:45] a uh 4 ton, but what's the uh energy
rate on it? What's the sear that we're
[1:06:51] getting? And if the old unit, if you
want to replace the motor and it's
[1:06:57] obsolete, which nowadays, if the if it
doesn't meet the freon that used to be
[1:07:02] back in the day, it they're not going to
support it's not going to be supported.
[1:07:06] So why would we get a motor when um
there's going to be no support for if we
[1:07:12] need Freon? They can't replace the Freon
because they don't have that that uh
[1:07:17] Freon available anymore. So I would like
to see a complete invoice with the uh
[1:07:23] scope of work and a a proposal that
they're giving us and a picture of the
[1:07:28] unit. I mean, all of this should have
come, you know. Um, so what you're
[1:07:33] saying is you sent us uh uh these two
resolutions, six and seven. One is for a
[1:07:40] motor and one is for a new unit because
you didn't you didn't think we would
[1:07:45] know which one we wanted. Is am I am I
correct?
[1:07:50] Um I I thought it was a decision for for
the council to make and um there there
[1:07:57] is a proposal attached to uh each
resolution. Um it does not include the
[1:08:05] sear or the efficiency rating for the
unit, but I can I'll happy to get that
[1:08:10] information. Uh but it is for a Goodman
brand heat pump. It it uh it does come
[1:08:17] with a 10-year parts warranty and
one-year labor warranty.
[1:08:23] » The resolutions that I have 06 has
nothing attached to it. Uh and 07 has a
[1:08:29] resolutions from all seasons mechanical
and it's very to me uh
[1:08:37] vague and in scope of work and proposal,
but that was for the motor. $6,000 for a
[1:08:44] motor. So, I'd like to see the proposal
for the new unit and and why to the
[1:08:50] council, to the city manager, why invest
in a motor that you may not be able to
[1:08:57] service
uh like I said, if the Freon is not
[1:09:00] available,
right? the um the proposal for the uh
[1:09:06] $20,000 unit replacement
should be in the packet immediately
[1:09:12] following uh the end of the uh
resolution
[1:09:17] um
R06.
[1:09:21] Um and uh I I agree. I I I think that um
you're better off replacing the the full
[1:09:31] unit.
Uh but um I had heard that um the option
[1:09:39] had been provided uh previously and uh
at that time council wasn't interested
[1:09:45] in uh investing that money. Um, so,
uh, I it's it's council's call.
[1:09:54] » So, this unit, is it for the entire city
hall or just for the downstairs, the
[1:09:58] lower level area?
>> It's just for for part of the lower
[1:10:02] level.
>> Part of the lower level area. And then
[1:10:05] we're considering uh doing renovations
to the lower level. How would this
[1:10:10] spending that money, how would it affect
uh Okay, we got a new unit. I guess
[1:10:17] they'll just probably have to work
around the new unit with the during the
[1:10:22] re renovations. Okay, I I see that. But
like I said, um because we didn't
[1:10:28] receive our uh I didn't receive a
packet. I had to piece together what I
[1:10:31] have. I do not have a uh scope of work
proposal or invoice for this $20,000
[1:10:38] unit. Thank you, Mayor Curtis.
>> Thank you. Uh as as I recall um former
[1:10:49] director of public works recommended
that we get the system replaced. Um
[1:10:56] I think I Mr. Nicholls
um had it
[1:11:02] looked at and presented something to the
council. I think Mr. Garner said we the
[1:11:08] council decided not to go with it. Uh, I
would hate to throw
[1:11:13] money at a, you know, at a lost cost. I
I will say that the building is, you
[1:11:21] know, relatively old and so I would like
to see an assessment of all the HVAC
[1:11:27] systems. Are they working? Are they not?
Um, you know,
[1:11:34] as Mr. Councilwoman Jones just said I
would not put a motor in the old system
[1:11:39] that I couldn't even get serviced. Um so
uh if you can provide all the
[1:11:46] information that council was asking for
that'll be great. Um and
[1:11:52] uh additionally
get the other systems in the building
[1:11:56] checked out so we can have an idea of
what that will look like as well.
[1:12:01] Councilman Jones.
>> Thank you. Mayor Curtis, uh, Mr. Gardner
[1:12:05] also presented us in one of his emails
saying that the build, the entire
[1:12:08] building needed a uh, uh, like an
evaluation.
[1:12:12] » Uh, and I think that needs to be done
because it is an older building. Um it
[1:12:18] there's a lot of things that need to be
addressed, you know, um and I'm sure a
[1:12:23] lot of things that will be found once we
do this elevator and the renovations of
[1:12:28] the other areas that we're discussing,
but and the electrical work that should
[1:12:32] have been done in the gold room three or
four years ago when it was first bought
[1:12:35] up that has not been done yet. There's
just, you know, a lot of uh issues in
[1:12:40] the building that that are not being
addressed. I mean, I look at the the the
[1:12:44] city hall Like I look at my home, I
there are certain maintenance issues
[1:12:50] that I have to do every year. And
because maintenance issues have not been
[1:12:53] done in city hall on a regular basis,
now they're getting to the point where
[1:12:58] you you either going to uh swim or sink.
So uh I I think that uh uh him
[1:13:06] presenting the information about getting
the the whole build an evaluation for
[1:13:09] the entire building to find out where we
are, it would be uh feasible at this
[1:13:14] time. And then because it's and then
with the air conditioner because it's
[1:13:18] getting um cooler now outside. I I know
I wouldn't want to have you know the
[1:13:23] citizens or anybody uh the employees in
the building burning up. But if it's
[1:13:28] something that we can you know at this
juncture kind of slow down on because it
[1:13:32] is getting cooler and we may not need
the air conditioning um that we can move
[1:13:37] forward and you know uh get this
addressed properly you know. Thank you.
[1:13:48] Mr. Garner,
>> I'm sorry. Just quickly, um, this this
[1:13:52] heat pump um does provide both uh
cooling and heating and apparently there
[1:13:58] were times last year in the space when
the space was was very very cold because
[1:14:04] it couldn't heat the space properly.
>> Okay.
[1:14:10] Thank you.
All right. on to R-8-2027
[1:14:15] resolution for snow and ice removal
service.
[1:14:20] Councilwoman Jones,
I got this resolution and when I pulled
[1:14:26] it up, it gave me a RZZ 2026. It looks
like an old resolution from maybe when
[1:14:34] we I don't know cuz it's got 2026 27 uh
dates on it. But when it's if like I
[1:14:41] said it has an RZZ 2026 at the ref of
the resolution number.
[1:14:49] So, but I'm looking at the rest of the
resolution and it does have 2026 dates
[1:14:53] on it. So, hopefully the information
that that was given um concerning the
[1:14:59] contract is uh
what it's supposed to be. But that
[1:15:05] resolution number is when I pulled up
RO8, you know, just went to and clicked
[1:15:10] on and and it came printed out. It
printed out RZZ 2026. So I don't know
[1:15:16] what that is.
>> Yeah. On uh as I pull it up, I can show
[1:15:21] you. Hold on a second.
>> And then the contract is not attached to
[1:15:25] it.
[1:15:30] » You are correct. The contract is not
attached to it. Let me bring it up real
[1:15:34] quick so you can everyone can see what
we're talking about.
[1:15:45] You are correct. The the um
contract is not attached. This is
[1:15:52] authorizing it should it should have
been attached. Um this is authorizing an
[1:15:58] extension of the existing contract but
not a new one. Um,
[1:16:05] and there we go. Let me
make it bigger.
[1:16:12] Uh, at the at a new rate of of 125.
What's the current rate, Mr. Garner?
[1:16:20] » Uh, the rate that was charged last year
was 115.
[1:16:28] And so this is to to in this current
contract, we have an extension uh but we
[1:16:34] can extend for an additional $10 per
hour
[1:16:39] for a snow truck.
[1:16:47] But council clerk, if you could get
this, well, if you could email this to
[1:16:52] council members, I know this is online,
but if you could just directly email it
[1:16:56] to the council, that would be great. And
uh
[1:17:00] » if we could also get the original
contract and forward it as well in the
[1:17:05] same email, that would be great.
>> Okay.
[1:17:11] Okay.
[1:17:15] Where's my cursor? Thank you.
[1:17:24] All right.
[1:17:30] Last uh legislation is R-9-2027
resolution sustainable Maryland.
[1:17:39] Are there any questions or comments
related to that resolution?
[1:17:53] Mr. Garner, do you have any comments as
relates to um [clears throat] this
[1:17:58] resolution?
>> Very briefly, uh Sustainable Maryland
[1:18:02] has been around for I don't know, I
think 20 20 years plus or minus. Um
[1:18:09] all other Prince George's County
municipalities at this point uh have
[1:18:14] been um participants and they would love
to get the city of Glennon Arden to join
[1:18:21] and uh it seems like we if we join we
would be perhaps the 100th municipality
[1:18:29] to join and they have an event scheduled
in October where they said that they
[1:18:35] would uh recognize us if we went ahead
uh signed or passed the resolution.
[1:18:45] » Okay.
Any questions? Councilwoman Jones.
[1:18:53] » Thank you. Uh yeah, the uh city of Glenn
Arden was uh a member of Sustainable
[1:18:59] Maryland uh Councilwoman Een uh years
ago. Well, not years ago, it wasn't that
[1:19:04] long ago, uh had written up all the
documentation and everything for us to
[1:19:07] be uh part of sustainable Maryland.
Thank you,
[1:19:16] » Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson.
>> I basically was going to say say the
[1:19:20] same thing because I think I
co-sponsored with um Councilwoman E.
[1:19:25] um as we can
go back and look and see if we can see
[1:19:29] the resolution, but we were
um in that program. Thank you, Maya.
[1:19:36] » Okay.
Do you know approximately what year that
[1:19:40] might have been? I would like to look it
up.
[1:19:42] » Um it had to be between um 17 20 2017
and 20 21.
[1:19:51] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Council on Jones.
[1:19:57] » And I may still have the paperwork, so
if I have it, I'll uh uh it's
[1:20:01] [clears throat] a lot, so I'll just drop
it off to you.
[1:20:04] » Thank you.
>> Okay.
[1:20:08] Uh oh, sorry, Councilwoman Cross.
>> And um I'm looking at the resolution and
[1:20:15] I'm not seeing like what's your
proposal? Uh sustainable Maryland is
[1:20:20] about sustaining something either, you
know, um the monach butterfly or, you
[1:20:28] know, the honeybee or something. What is
it that we're sustaining? Uh there are
[1:20:34] cities that, you know, have sheep
roaming because uh the drops help, you
[1:20:41] know, certain grass that grows in their
area. So, what is it that this proposal
[1:20:47] seeks to provide? And and and that's the
thing. Um not just that we want to have
[1:20:54] something on the books, but that we have
a plan. You know, the resolutions have
[1:20:59] to have a a a real plan relative to how
are we sustaining Maryland's precious
[1:21:07] resources. Um do we have we thought
about that? I I haven't been inquired as
[1:21:13] to what we would like to see as a
sustainable plan or even maybe this is
[1:21:17] something where our citizens need to
have a you know to speak up about what
[1:21:22] it means to be sustainable. Th this is
one of the concerns that I have with
[1:21:26] this legislation. We don't just do
things so that we can get our names
[1:21:30] written in some record book. We do it
because it matters for the
[1:21:33] sustainability of something that's
either in extinction or almost going
[1:21:38] into extinction. And so we are
partnering with the state to preserve
[1:21:43] those particulars
things a certain grass a certain
[1:21:47] butterfly for example that are
pollinators. Have we thought about it
[1:21:50] that way
Mr. Gardner?
[1:21:54] » Sure. Thank you. Uh this resolution is
only to have the city be registered with
[1:22:02] sustainable Maryland and um in terms of
the requirements, it just requires the
[1:22:08] council pass a resolution. Uh the next
step if council so desires would be to
[1:22:16] get certified and put together a plan
and that plan would include some of the
[1:22:21] actions and commitments that you were
referencing.
[1:22:25] So, um that uh could be the direction
that council chooses to go,
[1:22:34] but that's not this particular step.
this would um put us in a network of
[1:22:40] other communities uh give us an
opportunity to see what they're doing uh
[1:22:46] get some ideas uh possibly
um make us eligible for some uh grant
[1:22:52] money and and then we could consider if
the city would like to move forward with
[1:22:59] certification
as a similar process and program. Uh the
[1:23:06] city also needs to
decide if it wishes to become part of
[1:23:13] the sustainable communities designation
which is a department of housing and
[1:23:19] community development
program. Unfortunately our designation
[1:23:24] lapsed some some years ago and we have
to go through the process if we choose
[1:23:30] to to meet those requirements again. and
it's kind of a similar plan to the uh
[1:23:38] certification program.
So, there's an opportunity for us to
[1:23:44] kind of work on both if council wishes.
>> Okay.
[1:23:50] Thank you,
Councilman Williams.
[1:24:00] I would say
that
[1:24:03] we have a plan.
Mayor Pro Tim
[1:24:09] Ferguson
and Councilwoman
[1:24:13] Jones just articulated that
former council member Een worked on a
[1:24:21] plan and we uh voted on a plan somewhere
between 17 and 21. So a plan is out
[1:24:29] there. Our commitment to it is already
out there.
[1:24:34] So this may
not be necessary to vote on this because
[1:24:40] or it may be something to just formality
because we already committed to having a
[1:24:46] sustainable plan.
Thank you.
[1:24:50] » Thanks. Can we find that and we could
just motion that at our next meeting? Uh
[1:24:55] if we are able to find it, send it out
to council members and then we just the
[1:25:01] motion to continue [clears throat] with
[1:25:06] » Yes, I'll look forward.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:25:13] All right. Uh we're on to our topics of
discussion. Uh the first topic we're
[1:25:19] going to do I so I don't forget about
it. Councilwoman Jones, you said you
[1:25:24] want to make a request regarding
reports.
[1:25:28] » Yeah. Um, like I said in our packet this
time, what I was able to piece together
[1:25:33] from what you sent, we only got the, um,
code enforcement report, um,
[1:25:40] media communications, HR's report. Uh,
but the other reports, I didn't see, um,
[1:25:48] the police chief report. I didn't see
the public uh the um city manager report
[1:25:53] and like I said those reports are not
necessarily
[1:25:56] uh for us but for for the citizens to
also see have an idea of what goes on in
[1:26:02] the community. Uh like I said with the
police report I've had citizens come up
[1:26:07] to me and talking about some petition
that I had going around to uh get rid of
[1:26:11] the police department which is so far
from the truth. I don't know who would I
[1:26:15] mean I the first time I heard it I just
let it go. But then when I heard it
[1:26:18] again the same time two weeks later, um
um I I I just we need a police report.
[1:26:26] We need a police department. Uh I am not
against having a police department. I am
[1:26:32] a proponent of making sure that we have
one because we've had one for so many
[1:26:36] years that the community policing uh the
police chiefs that we've had prior have
[1:26:41] been exemplary. Uh and I expect this to
continue in the city of Glenn Arden. So
[1:26:47] if anybody comes to your door and says
that this is a petition that
[1:26:52] Councilwoman Jones is behind to get rid
of the police department, that is so far
[1:26:57] from the truth. It it's an outright lie
to the citizens of the city of Glenn
[1:27:01] Arden. Uh I would like to see a police
report. Uh like I said, I want to see
[1:27:06] the county's uh report that they send
every that we can get every month about
[1:27:13] calls for service. I know in the past
we've had calls for service between 600
[1:27:17] to 400 calls for service a month. So I
want to continue to see that and
[1:27:22] continue that the citizens see that so
that they will know that we definitely
[1:27:26] need a police department in our
community. Uh thank you uh Manager Green
[1:27:33] and code enforcement for your impeccable
report that you send every month that
[1:27:37] has all of the information needed to
understand what your department does and
[1:27:41] what they are doing. uh Mr. Green's
report is an example for the rest of uh
[1:27:47] the managers in the city of Glenard to
be an example of uh as giving us
[1:27:54] information concerning what's going on
in that particular department. Thank
[1:27:58] you, Mayor Curtis.
>> Thank you. Uh and just as we,
[1:28:04] you know, are opening up this uh new
sess legislative session,
[1:28:09] um you know, tuning some things up as we
move forward, making sure, Mr. Gardner,
[1:28:16] that all of the
um administrative reports are to you at
[1:28:21] a certain time so they can come to the
council at a certain time. [snorts] So,
[1:28:25] uh we fully expect the the reports to be
done by the it should be done by the
[1:28:33] 20th um uh to to come to us as a council
um for so example for example on
[1:28:44] se I mean it's late but September 20th
we should be able to have
[1:28:50] um the prior months
reports so that we can discuss them at
[1:28:55] the next
work session. Uh but whatever timing it
[1:29:00] needs to come to you. Um I don't know
what all goes in there cuz 20th is being
[1:29:05] very generous. Uh I don't think it
should take that long, but uh it should
[1:29:10] come to you first and come to to us. Uh
Councilman [clears throat]
[1:29:14] Jones,
>> it is Thank you. It is definitely
[1:29:17] outlined in the council rules as to when
those reports should get to the council
[1:29:23] clerk in order to distribute them to the
council for the work session. Thank you.
[1:29:29] » Yep. Sure is. And I think it's it's
somewhere around there, but you can
[1:29:33] check.
Uh Mayor Proton Ferguson.
[1:29:37] » Yeah, I was basically going to say that
thank you, Mayor. Uh the same thing that
[1:29:41] um Councilwoman Jones said, but I think
it's it's sooner than that. um because
[1:29:46] they should be um having enough time so
that um the clerk can do whatever they
[1:29:52] needs to do do to do and even um I think
we just need to get the the rules out.
[1:29:59] Uh maybe we need to go over them again,
but um I think in some cases um
[1:30:04] documentations and um different things
are given to the clerk um
[1:30:11] too late. um you just can't give like a
not necessarily this particular um
[1:30:20] incident but you can't just give a a
legislation on you know Thursday or
[1:30:25] Friday you know evening and and and
think it's you know it's supposed to be
[1:30:31] in the in the uh the next working day
Monday. So there there are some rules
[1:30:37] and regulations. So we need to make sure
that we get into administrations. Um and
[1:30:41] we also need to decide of course whether
we want to um for the most part it's
[1:30:45] going to be the same but I think we may
need to go over how we um
[1:30:51] um because I don't think we have done
that and I think since
[1:30:56] um
I think when u former counselor was so
[1:31:00] that was last administration. Thank you
mayor.
[1:31:04] Thank you.
[1:31:08] All right,
moving [clears throat] on. First item is
[1:31:13] the GCI extension which we will punt to
the close session. Um the official
[1:31:20] swearing in. Next item is the official
swearing in of Chief Henderson which if
[1:31:25] it's okay with Chief Henderson.
Um, I don't know if you guys want to do
[1:31:33] that as a separate ceremony or you want
to do it as a part of the regular
[1:31:36] session this month.
[1:31:40] Um, Council Cross,
>> um, usually that's a separate
[1:31:49] ceremony for Chief Henderson, but also,
uh, we just received a bid proposal from
[1:31:54] council clerk on the snow and ice
control services. I don't know if you
[1:31:58] need to update the date here, but it
originally says issued in 25 with a term
[1:32:02] contract one year to begin January 26.
So, I believe that needs to be updated.
[1:32:08] Madam,
you just sent it to us an email just for
[1:32:13] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.
[1:32:18] Um,
Chief Peterson, if you can is he on?
[1:32:24] Yeah.
think of sometimes I know that your your
[1:32:27] family want to be a part of it. Um
I don't know what we
[1:32:35] » Yeah, it's a separate ceremony and
there's you know the citizens are
[1:32:38] invited to come out. Uh the family is
there uh sworn in. We do have some light
[1:32:46] uh orders. Um you know it's it's usually
done that way.
[1:32:51] » Yeah.
So if if you want to connect with me uh
[1:32:57] Chief Henderson offline, we can uh sync
schedules and send that invite out um so
[1:33:04] that we can move forward with that and
invite you know your guest list uh as
[1:33:10] well as anyone any others who would like
to attend.
[1:33:15] » Absolutely. May
>> Okay.
[1:33:21] Um,
Mr. Gardner, I think we've already we
[1:33:25] touched on the HVAC system, so there's
no need to go back on it. We touched on
[1:33:30] the extension of snow removal contract.
Uh, the sustainable community
[1:33:34] certification is that's the same one
that we've already discussed as well, or
[1:33:39] is that something separate?
>> Okay.
[1:33:41] » Um,
I'm I'm sorry. That's that is actually
[1:33:45] the state program. Um that um that is
one that um will take uh a large larger
[1:33:56] commitment from the city to go through
the certification process. Um it does uh
[1:34:04] make the city eligible for certain uh
grants or other kinds of benefits.
[1:34:11] Uh, we should probably
um take some additional time or I can
[1:34:18] send the mayor the council information
about what that would involve. But th
[1:34:23] this is the state program that um
unfortunately the certification is I
[1:34:30] think it's good for three years maybe
five years and it and it lapsed.
[1:34:36] » Okay. Any [gasps]
discussion on on this council?
[1:34:47] » So, you're looking for us just to renew
it, correct, Mr. Gardner?
[1:34:51] » Um, I guess at this point you can give
give us the green light to pull together
[1:34:57] the requirements for council to consider
to renew it and um we can uh present
[1:35:04] that at a future council meeting.
and and see if if you're interested in
[1:35:09] going down that path.
>> Well, given everything that's on your
[1:35:14] plate is um what's the level of effort
behind this and is it a priority right
[1:35:20] now? We have a lot of things that we're
trying to do.
[1:35:24] » Um
it's it's it can't be done kind of
[1:35:30] immediately. it it to me it's a fairly
significant um community commitment.
[1:35:36] Um
and you're right, we do have a lot of
[1:35:40] other things that we we need to to push
forward. Um, I I'd maybe like to
[1:35:47] consider circling back in uh a month or
so and just see if we're at a point
[1:35:53] where the council can get the space to
look into all the requirements and
[1:36:01] determine if it's interested and then if
so, we'll put together a plan to do it.
[1:36:09] » Okay. We'll we'll discuss as we're
putting together uh future work sessions
[1:36:15] um whether it should go back on the
agenda um and continue to focus on the
[1:36:21] items that we do have that are immediate
that that we need to get taken care of.
[1:36:26] Council Lacrosse,
>> I just have a topic on the Pimrose
[1:36:31] project when we are ready to have that
discussion
[1:36:35] and it's dealing with the bio trench um
number G13. I just want to make sure
[1:36:41] that that slope uh does not degrade the
residents that are there and the church
[1:36:48] that it's you know it's a little sliver
of land that's part of Glenn Arden that
[1:36:54] um you know butts up against Pimro's
development structure.
[1:37:00] » We're about two bullet points away from
Pimro.
[1:37:04] » All right. Thank
>> All right. Next up is the update and
[1:37:10] next step for elevator project which
would be a perfect place for Councilman
[1:37:15] Williams. You want to discuss
um
[1:37:20] you know the architect
red lift
[1:37:30] Councilman Williams.
[1:37:35] Okay. Councilwoman Cross,
>> I'm here. I'm sorry.
[1:37:40] » Okay, one second.
>> I'm trying to navigate this. Okay. Um,
[1:37:47] I do building
[1:37:52] and
I did not like what I heard from her.
[1:38:00] And
towards the end
[1:38:06] we I'm going say we we we did get an
apology from her.
[1:38:15] However,
if you are a vendor of ours and working
[1:38:20] for us,
[1:38:25] it is my expectation that you as the
vendor will follow up with us if things
[1:38:33] go wrong, get delayed, put back
[1:38:40] because
she claims
[1:38:44] When she told us whenever that meeting
was, I was here, you most of y'all was
[1:38:49] here. She said that it is pro permitting
it'll take about 30 days.
[1:38:56] When that 30 days didn't come back to
me, it should have been on her to come
[1:39:00] back and tell us why. Now she said she
submitted to Park and Pounding now, but
[1:39:06] now this time she ain't submitted to
Park and P. She directly deep for
[1:39:11] permitting.
First, it didn't require any money and
[1:39:16] you dropped the ball. You a timeout.
Now, even it's already past that, which
[1:39:23] she didn't clear to me because when Miss
Councilwoman Cross
[1:39:29] uh questioner on it, she said that
it's time for permitting now and that's
[1:39:37] why we need the money. [snorts]
[1:39:42] And
if we decide to if we decide to go with
[1:39:47] a desired bill,
which the city manager said I think we
[1:39:54] were leaning to record it,
they ain't going to want to use her
[1:39:59] plans anyway.
They want to do their own.
[1:40:04] So
that's why I said we need to have a
[1:40:08] conversation
because if we moving forward
[1:40:14] with her and her plans,
[1:40:19] which I'm not against, but I'm I just
somebody got to watch her like a hawk a
[1:40:23] good hour.
We will then won't be into a design
[1:40:29] bill. We will be into here's our design.
Let's find somebody to build who the
[1:40:35] specs that we have.
[1:40:39] Again, that may be good, too, depending
on who's out there willing to do it,
[1:40:49] but
based on her performance
[1:40:55] and she made that illusion about this
was her baby.
[1:41:00] That's why I had to say she set her up
for failure. Mean, if that was her baby,
[1:41:05] then I would be having it'd be child
child neglect
[1:41:09] because she did not do what she should
have done for us. if it was her baby
[1:41:13] looking out after us. She keeps all kept
on saying this when the city contacted
[1:41:19] us. When the city contacted me,
didn't she have a duty responsibility to
[1:41:25] reach out to the city if it was some
time?
[1:41:29] Just asking,
just asking. So that's why I just want
[1:41:34] to bring it up to my colleagues.
See, y'all had any
[1:41:41] issues with what she said? How she
explained it? It didn't meet muster with
[1:41:47] me.
That's all I got to say. I'm not here to
[1:41:51] debate. I just wanted to give you my
opinion. Thank you.
[1:41:55] » Thank you, sir.
>> Council Cross.
[1:42:02] » Thank you. I did send out those
questions to Mr. Gardner. So when um
[1:42:08] Miss Felder, if you can ensure that she
uh has a copy, then that way she can
[1:42:15] provide us, you know, exactly what we're
needing. The council needs to
[1:42:19] appreciate, you know, the procurement
trail on all of the projects, the
[1:42:25] elevator project,
the um nutrition center project, and the
[1:42:31] construction of the council chambers.
And I I appreciate that she is the
[1:42:36] architect, but I would like to see a
project manager on this project. Um, you
[1:42:42] know, the contract itself has been
somewhat executed.
[1:42:49] um the amounts and the vendors we have
councilically, you know, across at least
[1:42:56] since 2022
been, you know,
[1:43:01] appropriating funding to support this
project. [snorts] Um
[1:43:07] we need to follow up and see what
happened with the Nickels contracting
[1:43:12] amount. uh whether or not any reward was
actually rescended because they were not
[1:43:17] completing the job and if it was ever
superseded or even if even portions of
[1:43:23] that contract was executed. We need
clarity on each one of these contracts.
[1:43:29] What has Redlift Architects design fees
and amendments and additional service
[1:43:34] fees cost us? What has Nicholls
contracting their amount their status?
[1:43:40] that was under resolution 332025
if it was rescended superseded or if it
[1:43:46] was never executed the coronet contract
the construction amount that's under
[1:43:52] resolution 452025
and then of course the design bill
[1:43:57] proposal which I ask about which was not
provided to this council team as I am
[1:44:02] aware and if we were provided please
resurface it so that we can appreciate
[1:44:08] what we're dealing with when it comes
down on the cornet contracting but all
[1:44:12] the invoices and the actual payments
charged against the elevator the
[1:44:17] nutrition center and senior center and
the council chambers we need to have
[1:44:22] clear understanding those projects I
agree with councilman Williams it wasn't
[1:44:27] a familiar place to hear someone who's
been running as the project manager on
[1:44:32] this project say I wasn't prepared for
the financial question you're always
[1:44:37] prepared for the financial question
because we need to know how much is left
[1:44:41] in the pot. If you don't know what's in
the pot, then you're always asking for
[1:44:46] money. And we are we're not an infinite
tree, you know, that just keeps shaking
[1:44:51] leaves of money. [clears throat] So, the
remaining balance to be funded on these
[1:44:55] sources needs to be clearly articulated
by this contract. And also any reserves
[1:45:02] needs to be articulated by our
treasurer, Mr. Stewart and any remaining
[1:45:07] grants and any uh ARPA money that was,
you know, appropriated for this project.
[1:45:14] We need a clear understanding of what's
happening on those three lines of
[1:45:17] operation because as of right now, I'm
I'm not ready or even include in enough
[1:45:23] to tell you that we need to put 1.8
million against it. we need to
[1:45:27] appreciate it, understand it or before
we move into an additional, you know,
[1:45:33] amounts of money 1.3 already spent, we
need to make sure we understand we're
[1:45:38] dealing with these projects. So
hopefully that came across clear. If it
[1:45:42] didn't, sir, I did send this all in an
email for the council team as well. Mr.
[1:45:48] Gardner, yourself, please share.
[1:45:55] » Thank you. Councilwoman Jones.
>> Thank you, Mayor Curtis. At this point,
[1:46:01] um,
thinking back, we did have an issue with
[1:46:06] Miss Felder, and I thought that, uh, at
that time the city manager was, uh, Mr.
[1:46:11] Simpson, and, and I thought we were as a
council, uh, and the city was going to,
[1:46:18] um, not deal with her anymore, and we
were trying to figure out how to do that
[1:46:24] with Mr. Kapensky. And I don't know what
happened with that because at one point,
[1:46:29] Miss Felder was working on the project.
Like I said, I remember her being here
[1:46:33] two years, at least two years ago. We
were all downstairs in the council
[1:46:37] chambers looking at the with the
presentation that she bought today. And
[1:46:41] I thought we had come to a conclusion
about all of the stuff that was going to
[1:46:45] be in that uh area for the refrigerator
and the freezer and the warmers. All
[1:46:50] that was taken care of. it had been
concluded that this is what we were
[1:46:54] going to put in there. So, I'm not sure
why she came back and said that she
[1:46:58] wasn't clear on, you know, uh what we
decided because the decision had been
[1:47:03] made. So, um my issue with all of this
is if we if we go get another architect,
[1:47:10] that means we're going to have to start
from scratch. We've been I mean
[1:47:16] like I like people have said the
elevator project has been going on since
[1:47:20] you know after Moses uh parted the Red
Sea and everybody came over and we
[1:47:25] started the elevator project and um
we're still working on an elevator
[1:47:29] project
if we have to start all over again. I
[1:47:34] mean is this one of the issues
uh if we get a new architect? I know we
[1:47:41] uh had uh I I thought we had
commissioned Cororic to come in and do
[1:47:46] this design whatever but now uh I
thought their contract was going to Mr.
[1:47:52] Capinsky to be uh uh you know addressed
and then given back to the council as so
[1:47:57] that we could move forward. So, I mean,
I really don't want to start all over
[1:48:01] again if we have to. But maybe we could
just take our design and
[1:48:07] then get the builder to enhance whatever
needs to be enhanced from his
[1:48:11] perspective if that is a process in
having something built like this. And I
[1:48:18] don't want the same issues to go on with
the police department, with the police
[1:48:22] building. I want us to move forward.
These things could have been up and
[1:48:27] built and over with, but we're still
dragging our feet. Here it is. Like I
[1:48:32] said, after Moses opened the Red Sea,
the elevator project was proposed for
[1:48:37] the city of Glenn Arden, and it's still
not built today. Thank you, Mayor Cross.
[1:48:46] » Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Um
[1:48:57] well my two cents on this topic is
um I do remember
[1:49:06] um Miss Felder ghosting us for quite
some time. Um you know we were asked for
[1:49:14] updates. I do remember Mr. Simpson
um relaying that he tried several times
[1:49:21] to reach out and he couldn't get a
response. Um
[1:49:28] I agreed that this could have been done
the project could have been done a you
[1:49:32] know at least started on a long time
ago. Construction could have started. Um
[1:49:38] I would hate to start it over all over
again as well. Um
[1:49:44] I
I don't know if we just you know
[1:49:50] from the information I re you know the
the answers that she gave the designs
[1:49:55] will be ours after we pay for the uh
permitting. Um and so if we can take
[1:50:02] those designs and maybe go somewhere
else and just move on. Um, I also have,
[1:50:10] which I don't know how much of a wrench
this will throw on things,
[1:50:14] just taking just a a step back and just
looking at the entire picture. Um,
[1:50:22] if we're I think Councilwoman Cross said
something in the range of 1.8 million uh
[1:50:30] that we are about to spend on this 1.89
8 n
[1:50:35] million that we're going to spend on
this.
[1:50:39] Um,
you know, I don't know if I'm willing to
[1:50:44] spend all that money on such a um
ancient building. Um, I this is a Hail
[1:50:51] Mary. I don't know if this is doable or
not, but
[1:50:55] um since we are spending money to build
a police station, why don't we just add
[1:51:01] on to that um in a brand new building,
brand new space, the police station
[1:51:08] still gets built, have whatever they're
going to do, but if we're going to spend
[1:51:11] $2 million
uh on just three aspects of the current
[1:51:17] municipal center, which is the elevator
project, the nutrition center,
[1:51:21] in the council chambers. Why do we just
put that money if if it's going to cost
[1:51:27] us just put that money into adding an
additional piece to the police station
[1:51:33] and just moving our headquarters and our
council chambers and everything over
[1:51:37] there and just building it all at once.
uh as opposed to uh spending $2 million
[1:51:43] where I know once we open up those
ceilings and the walls that they're
[1:51:48] going to be some issues, some problems
that we're going to have to deal with.
[1:51:51] Um that's going to slow down that
project. Um, I I I honestly believe that
[1:51:58] we
seriously entertain at least seeing what
[1:52:02] that will cost us uh to have a add-on to
the to the new building. Uh, and then
[1:52:09] repurposing the um James Cousin
Municipal Center. Um, maybe not putting
[1:52:15] that much money into those whole
designs. Uh, but putting money just to
[1:52:20] update the electrical. And I mean, we
can even expand the bottom if we wanted
[1:52:25] to or expand the not expand the space.
Not expand the bottom. Let me retract my
[1:52:31] statements, but just refurbish that
space. So now we can have um uh
[1:52:38] designated areas for senior outreach or
youth outreach. Um if we just did the
[1:52:45] you know
not the bare minimum upgrades but you
[1:52:50] know electrical HVAC uh maybe carpeting
and just uh refurbishing uh some things
[1:52:57] or the space so that we'll have now two
designated spaces and then we can offer
[1:53:02] our citizens even more um and having two
designated spaces. So,
[1:53:10] that's my thought on it. Um, now, where
does Miss Felder lie in that idea? I I I
[1:53:18] don't think she's um that much involved.
Um, especially if we could uh move
[1:53:24] forward. I think we're going to talk
about in a close session the um the bids
[1:53:28] we received for the police station. if
we can, you know, if you see something
[1:53:34] good in there and and just go back to
them, ask, hey, if you can add on this,
[1:53:39] you know, will it throw a wrench into
our plans? Um,
[1:53:43] honestly think that's the way to go. So,
[gasps]
[1:53:48] um, I'm going go to Councilman Williams
first and then you, Mr. Gardner.
[1:53:54] Councilman Williams,
>> I'm glad you said that, Mr. man. Cuz I
[1:54:00] totally agree with you.
Totally agree with you
[1:54:06] that you can add a floor on top of
PlayStation
[1:54:11] and do the same business with the I
agree with you. So got my vote.
[1:54:19] Okay.
[1:54:24] Um
Mr. Gardner, I'm sorry. Yeah,
[1:54:29] » sure. And uh just to follow up on that,
I I I think that um considering a new
[1:54:35] police station that at least has the
capacity to be added on um at a at a
[1:54:41] future date or something makes a lot of
sense for the uh the future city
[1:54:45] municipal building. Uh I wanted to be
really clear that the city has not spent
[1:54:53] um 1.3 million on the elevator thus far.
>> Yep. Um, and I I I I think um that might
[1:55:02] have been conveyed by other comments,
but it has not um the the remaining
[1:55:08] funds to get the permits for the
elevator
[1:55:12] um are probably
in the $10,000
[1:55:17] range, I think.
Um once those plans are permitted, the
[1:55:22] city can put them out to bid,
the responses could come back and you
[1:55:30] could say, "Nope, not worth the money or
yes, worth the money. No, no commitment
[1:55:36] required." And you can do it kind of
whenever you want. You have plans that
[1:55:41] are that are approved. So, um
I I think it makes sense to try to get
[1:55:48] those plans in hand approved and then
that's a lowcost
[1:55:55] project completed and whether you decide
to
[1:56:00] » uh to do it is another decision.
>> Yeah.
[1:56:05] Yeah. No, I I I agree. Um,
so, uh, it still sticks within and like
[1:56:14] you said, if council decided not to go
with the idea, we'll still at least have
[1:56:19] those, um, permits in hand or plans in
hand. Counciloman Cross,
[1:56:26] » thank you. And I do have concerns with
that last comment because what Miss
[1:56:31] Felder said is you will never own her
plans. So you will utilize her services
[1:56:38] no matter what contractor you get to
build this project. So if you're going
[1:56:43] to do anything with it thus far, um I
mean there's
[1:56:50] no issue with
figuring out what it would cost us to
[1:56:56] look at what has already been proposed.
And I think we've said this on many
[1:57:01] occasions. The newest thing on the
ground shouldn't just be a police
[1:57:05] department. And we're sitting here, you
know, refoundationing a building that
[1:57:09] we've just said had severe brownouts and
needs electrical work. So, uh, at the
[1:57:15] end of the day, um, you're going to find
some other things. Okay, these are
[1:57:20] aluminum windows, as she stated. You're
going to possibly find some things that,
[1:57:25] you know, we don't want to say on this
line right now. not want to jinx it, but
[1:57:30] scope creep scope creep is a real thing
in refoundationing a building that's as
[1:57:38] seasoned as the city of Glennard
Municipal Center is. So, it won't just
[1:57:44] be $10,000 in the permitting process.
You're also going to have inspections.
[1:57:50] When those inspections are done, can
anybody tell me the last time we had a
[1:57:54] complete inspection done on this
building? We just talked about the air
[1:57:58] condition unit not even being worth
being replaced or or or the the motor
[1:58:04] being replaced. So, this is where I'm
saying it's not just $10,000. So, I
[1:58:10] don't want anybody out there in, you
know, TV land to think, oh, this is just
[1:58:14] a low cost. No, there's an inspection
process. This is a complex project and
[1:58:20] it's going to depend again on any type
of renovation work that's required prior
[1:58:25] to any building codes that need to be
updated, new zoning rules which we don't
[1:58:31] have an outline from Miss Felder on and
any safety standards that are currently
[1:58:36] not in place based on the seasonness of
this building. So all that's part of the
[1:58:43] permitting process from the county. It's
not just, hey, we got some plans.
[1:58:48] Approve these. I wish it was that
simple. I don't believe it is. Thank
[1:58:52] you.
>> Okay.
[1:58:59] Uh, next up is the request for with
pinrolls.
[1:59:09] » Yeah,
>> council cross. Yep.
[1:59:11] » Thank you. So, I was looking at the
design plan from Pimrose, and there is a
[1:59:16] slope that I believe flows dangerously
towards the um church that's over there
[1:59:23] uh opposite um the Pimro's uh current uh
building structures. So, as we're
[1:59:31] looking at the flow of water changing,
uh we know that the water uh sealing for
[1:59:37] Glenn Arden has traditionally been a
problem, particularly in those zones.
[1:59:41] Um, we just want to make sure that we're
not going to cause those residents that
[1:59:46] are there additional problems. So, I
would like to see Pimrose not just do an
[1:59:53] assessment of the land that they own,
but a surrounding area assessment, uh,
[1:59:59] at least a structural assessment to make
sure that their rerouting and their
[2:00:05] sloping does not cause issues to the
current existing residents of Glenn
[2:00:11] Arden. So, if that's something that can
be incorporated into the Pinrose plan,
[2:00:17] that would be greatly appreciated
because that's a large um
[2:00:23] ditch back there. And when you start
rerouting water, it's got to go
[2:00:27] somewhere. And what we don't want is
more basement being flooded uh like
[2:00:32] Frost Community has had to deal with for
well over, you know, 20 plus years.
[2:00:38] Thank you.
Any
[2:00:47] other comments,
[2:00:51] questions
[2:00:56] or response? Bill, Mr. Gardner,
>> fine. Um, Council Jones, do you want to
[2:01:03] get that question in first and then I
can try to respond?
[2:01:07] Um, do you have a direct response to
Council McCross first? I don't want
[2:01:12] » I I I not maybe not a direct response,
but um
[2:01:18] I can speak to them about the plans that
they proposed. Um, we may need to get
[2:01:24] them to present, but
generally speaking, in redevelopment,
[2:01:30] the the storm has to be treated on site.
And so, um, I can't
[2:01:39] I I don't think that the county would
approve,
[2:01:44] uh, storm water plans that would allow
the water from this development to
[2:01:51] negatively impact, uh, property off the
development,
[2:01:58] but I think that might be better
addressed by an engineer or I can I can
[2:02:02] get that answer.
Yeah, thank you for getting the answer.
[2:02:08] Uh because if we didn't have the Frost
community that's had to suffer for 20
[2:02:12] years already with this project that
they've had to now come up with a PVC
[2:02:18] pipe workound because the county refused
to rectify what was unfortunately caused
[2:02:24] by a sloping issue. And then so uh again
um we may need to look at uh aqua
[2:02:34] planning when it comes down to our
developments. You know to give the water
[2:02:38] somewhere to go. You need an aqua plan
and um you know just saying that we're
[2:02:44] going to have a certain grade and a
certain sloping. I just looked at it you
[2:02:47] know briefly and maybe it's time for us
to take a walk around to see it. uh we
[2:02:54] cannot impact those citizens that are
already over there in that church that's
[2:02:58] been there well over the years before
they were even developing. So yes, I get
[2:03:03] it. You own the land, you do what you
want [clears throat] because it's
[2:03:07] county,
but we do have a good neighbor
[2:03:11] requirement to ensure that development
does not cause issues for the
[2:03:16] pre-existing residents. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Jones.
[2:03:25] I'm confused here. Uh theou that this uh
that Pinrose is asking for now. This is
[2:03:30] for the new development that's coming up
on the side of Eva. Is that E? Not Eva.
[2:03:35] What street is that? That's Evart. Right
next to Bright Seat Liquor. This is on
[2:03:40] the Bright Seat Liquor side. Am I
correct?
[2:03:43] » That's correct. Okay.
>> And I think the church that Councilwoman
[2:03:46] Cross is talking about is over on the
Hamlin Street side.
[2:03:50] » Am I correct?
So, they've already developed that side.
[2:03:58] The Hamlin Street side has already been
developed.
[2:04:02] So, uh I don't know. I'm not sure how
that because of the Evart Street being
[2:04:08] developed, I'm not sure how that would
impact the Hamlet Street side.
[2:04:18] » Thank you for that, Councilwoman Jones.
I just want to make sure that the
[2:04:22] sloping and the grading does not cause
issues for um anyone that is affiliated.
[2:04:30] And again, just because it's on that
side, that is u again another side that
[2:04:37] consistently
um you know, kind of gets dumped on, you
[2:04:41] know, the data center is going to impact
that side. Um, so I just want us to be a
[2:04:46] good neighbor. Uh, because that is going
to be in Glenn Arden's property. Uh,
[2:04:51] just want to make sure that we're a good
neighbor no matter what side, but make
[2:04:55] sure particularly that we're not
impacting folks that have had an
[2:04:59] existence prior to our development.
That's all my question is. I've just
[2:05:04] never heard citizens have any complaints
about water on that side of uh Hamlet
[2:05:09] Street, even after their town houses
came, after Pinrose developed on that
[2:05:14] side there. I've never heard of any
complaints. I'm not sure if city hall
[2:05:19] may have registered some complaints from
citizens uh having any water issues uh
[2:05:25] [clears throat]
during that development. And now that
[2:05:27] we're developing the EART side, um
that's a whole different um area.
[2:05:37] Thank you.
[2:05:43] » Thank you,
>> Mr. Gardner.
[2:05:47] » Uh yes. Would council uh want the
developer to attend either the um
[2:05:54] meeting on the 21st or uh perhaps the
public hearing to respond to questions
[2:06:00] and present information about this this
phase of the project.
[2:06:11] » I would like a public hearing attendance
if they are able to.
[2:06:20] Okay.
>> I'll I'll reach out and and see if they
[2:06:23] can attend. [clears throat]
>> All right.
[2:06:31] » Point of order. Uh Mayor Curtis.
>> Yes, ma'am. Councilwoman Jones.
[2:06:35] » Um Mr. Gardner,
wasn't thisou supposed to be uh done?
[2:06:43] How I mean what is the time timeline on
thisou because we've we've discussed
[2:06:47] this before. I think we had to come to a
decision. It went to the attorney. When
[2:06:52] are they looking for this time this uhou
to be uh presented back to them?
[2:06:59] » They would like theou done um as soon as
possible. They would love for it to be
[2:07:06] done
in September. They um
[2:07:11] I I met with them um I I guess a few
weeks ago and
[2:07:18] um I don't believe council has discussed
this particular
[2:07:24] uhou but I I don't I don't know may
maybe you have but I did send what they
[2:07:31] had drafted to our attorneys uh they did
a lot of uh redline changes
[2:07:37] um sent it back to the develop ment
team. I I haven't heard back from them.
[2:07:42] Um I did speak to the county and um the
county staff who work with storm water
[2:07:49] management said that the type of
structure that is being proposed is not
[2:07:55] particularly unique. uh they have no
concerns about it uh working as designed
[2:08:02] and the purpose of the or the the
requirement for theou is because it's
[2:08:07] within the city's right of way and the
purpose of theou
[2:08:12] is to make it crystal clear that uh the
responsibility for maintenance of the
[2:08:20] structure as well as the sidewalk is the
responsibility of the HOA and not the
[2:08:27] And if they don't maintain it properly
and the city has to, there's a process
[2:08:32] that the city can charge them for the
work that the city's required to do.
[2:08:38] » Thank you. Then I would suggest that
they come to the public hearing also.
[2:08:42] But yes, this has been presented to the
council early on. I think Mr. C uh city
[2:08:49] manager Simpson was working on it at
what time.
[2:08:53] » Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Cross.
[2:08:59] » It's Curtis, but thank you.
[2:09:03] Um,
[2:09:08] uh,
last one before we turn to close
[2:09:13] session. Oh, well, no, two more. Sorry.
This is the CPJ
[2:09:20] appraisals and extension of agreement.
Mr. Garter, could you uh explain that a
[2:09:27] little bit more, please?
>> Uh yes. Uh the city has kind of a master
[2:09:32] agreement with CPJ
that um allows the city to use it for a
[2:09:39] pretty wide range of of engineering,
building construction, appraisal,
[2:09:45] uh types of of work. And uh that
agreement was a three-year agreement I
[2:09:54] believe and it expired at the end of
June and they are interested in um
[2:10:01] extending the agreement for you know one
or more years. Um, so that's what part
[2:10:08] of that is about and and I would I would
say that um
[2:10:14] they do have the capacity to do a
building assessment. Uh they recently
[2:10:20] completed a building assessment of the
Green Belt Community Center. I' I've
[2:10:25] reached out to Green Belt staff to get
information about how that process went
[2:10:29] for them. Uh but that is also a kind of
a a building that um uh has aged and
[2:10:37] needed um a lot of work and CPJ I
believe um did the assessment and then
[2:10:45] uh solicited bids from the trades that
were necessary and was the project
[2:10:50] manager to make sure the work was done
as it was designed to be done. So that's
[2:10:56] part of that item. The other part is the
appraisals that council approved for CPJ
[2:11:03] to do. Um I'm I was told that uh those
appraisals should be ready for council
[2:11:11] review midepptember.
So hopefully prior to your meeting on
[2:11:15] the 21st. Um, and I I did meet with um
the resident who's interested in
[2:11:22] acquiring
um a couple of the city parcels that are
[2:11:27] adjacent to property that he owns and uh
indicated that the the appraisals
[2:11:34] hopefully will be ready for council
review in midepptember
[2:11:38] and that of course you would see them
first and then we decide what to do.
[2:11:48] Okay.
All right.
[2:11:57] » Yeah. Um
the city's been dealing with CBJ CPJ for
[2:12:02] quite a while
and um they're just now coming with
[2:12:07] those appraisals. Uh we asked for those
I think last year.
[2:12:13] It's they're expensive and they they
charge a lot. That's that's my thought,
[2:12:19] you know.
Um
[2:12:25] just a very quick response. Um they um
they didn't start on this project as
[2:12:33] soon as uh council may have expected
because uh we did not uh execute the
[2:12:40] contract.
um that I think got kind of dropped
[2:12:44] between transitions.
Um and um the contract was executed
[2:12:52] probably in um mid mid to late June.
>> So clarity,
[2:13:00] » pardon,
>> clarity.
[2:13:02] Everything we ask them to do requires a
contract. There's no like blanket
[2:13:07] contract that says, "Okay, we need this
is what we've contracted you to do." Is
[2:13:12] that what they're trying to put together
now?
[2:13:16] » Um, no. No, ma'am. They um
they had, let's see, the city had
[2:13:22] approved a resolution authorizing
them to do the work. Um, then a contract
[2:13:30] was developed. Uh it went past the city
attorney for the city attorney's
[2:13:36] approval. Um the proposal was was
modified slightly um and the price was
[2:13:45] lowered
and
[2:13:48] then the contract was executed
for the appraisal of
[2:13:55] uh properties in two sites,
>> right? property the city owns on MLK and
[2:14:01] the property the city owns
um
[2:14:05] I'm forgetting the street
>> Mlan.
[2:14:08] » Okay. And there are other uh sites that
the city may wish to have an appraisal
[2:14:13] done but that wasn't part of this
particular contract.
[2:14:17] » Right. So, okay. So, now I get it. It's
kind of like they we do them the with
[2:14:21] this peace meal work. They do this piece
and then they do that piece, then they
[2:14:25] do this piece and then they do that.
Okay. But I still think that they're
[2:14:28] kind of expensive and slow. But that's
my opinion. Thank you, Mayor Mayor
[2:14:33] Curtis.
[2:14:36] » Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Any other
comments on this topic?
[2:14:43] » Okay, final one before we adjourn to
close session is the approval of gold
[2:14:48] room
promotions for fall. Um,
[2:14:54] council hopefully had those documents.
Uh, are there any questions or or
[2:15:00] comments as relates to the pro
promotional
[2:15:05] um
that
[2:15:10] Mrs. Bun wants to do for the gold room
to attract more business for the fall.
[2:15:19] Councilwoman Cross.
>> Yeah, thank you. I saw the 10% discount
[2:15:24] for things uh forgive me contract
secured through September. Is it just
[2:15:29] through September? Are we going to run
that um through, you know, say up to
[2:15:34] November sometime? September is halfway
gone. [laughter]
[2:15:40] there's barely going to be enough
knowledge, you know, in the community to
[2:15:43] get people to come in and maybe give us
some time to advertise that and maybe
[2:15:48] extend that to say mid October uh would
be the final to try and pull the
[2:15:54] business. But I do like the number out
there for the repass so people
[2:15:58] appreciate um and I think that is a
solid opportunity particularly for uh
[2:16:03] folks that are going through a traumatic
time to make that proposal. Thank you.
[2:16:08] » Okay. Um, Mr. Gardner, do did you know
the the timetable that Councilwoman
[2:16:14] Cross was discussing?
You on mute.
[2:16:23] » Thank you. Sorry. Um, Miss Bun is
interested in in getting authorization
[2:16:30] to have uh a series of quarterly
promotions. So, um the the the fire was
[2:16:37] kind of an example, but she would would
like uh council to authorize her to uh
[2:16:45] do similar kinds of promotions
um based on uh either different uh
[2:16:52] seasons or different offerings
that she wouldn't have to come back uh
[2:16:59] you know, four times a year for council
approval. Um,
[2:17:05] did that answer the the question?
>> So, she wants a blanket approval and
[2:17:12] this was just a sample to say what could
what the possibilities could be.
[2:17:18] » Yes. And and a blanket approval that um
I I would approve as well um and would
[2:17:25] be in line with the kinds of specials
that she's offered here. So um it it
[2:17:31] would be a program um it would be
administered as a program
[2:17:38] would not be individual ad hoc
[2:17:47] and we would just update in um the
monthly reporting from the gold room and
[2:17:55] um matched with the city manager's
report as well prior too.
[2:18:00] » Yes, you would be informed of of these
incentive programs for sure.
[2:18:10] » All right, Council Jones.
>> Thank you, Mayor Cross. I mean, Mayor
[2:18:15] Curtis. Um, I'm looking at this last uh
uh sentence in the what what she's
[2:18:22] proposed and it says, "In addition to
these promotions, I request that the
[2:18:26] council approve offering team members
the same discount rate as Glenn Arden
[2:18:31] residents." Team members meaning the
entire employee staff for the city of
[2:18:36] Glenn Arden or just the team members of
her staff? No, I I believe that would be
[2:18:42] uh city staff, city employees.
>> Okay. So, uh and and then with the other
[2:18:48] programs, as long as they fall under the
guidelines that the go room has been has
[2:18:52] already been established,
uh they would fall under those.
[2:19:00] » Uh yes, in terms of
>> the established guidelines of the goal.
[2:19:05] » That's correct.
>> All right. Thank you for that
[2:19:08] clarification.
[2:19:11] Thank you. Uh, Councilman Williams,
>> I would just move that this is something
[2:19:18] that the city manager should be handling
and he could come back to us, tell us
[2:19:24] what he want to do and we just, you
know, not micromanage and just say,
[2:19:30] "Hey, you know, it's we want to make
money." So they don't have a free hand
[2:19:36] of doing it and if we wind up losing
money then we come and address it. Uh
[2:19:42] but that's my opinion about this. So of
course I would say my approval of this.
[2:19:48] Thank you.
>> So are you making a motion or that we do
[2:19:54] that? Could I say
>> I don't know if this a proper venue
[2:19:58] » to do it?
>> Yep. You're right.
[2:20:01] » Yeah.
We can do it at the meeting, but
[2:20:07] » it don't have to be a resolution, but as
a public meeting, we can do it.
[2:20:11] » Yep. Yep. Okay. Well, on at the regular
session, I agree. So, you'll have my
[2:20:17] second
uh Councilwoman
[2:20:21] Cross.
Thank you. Uh so no, I'm not in
[2:20:25] agreement with that uh last statement uh
that Councilwoman Jones highlighted was
[2:20:30] a part of the proposal that the city
employees which uh Mr.
[2:20:38] Gardner, what's the number now? The
total number
[2:20:42] » I I believe we are authorized between 40
and 43 staff. Mhm. So, not that
[2:20:50] everybody will have a party on the same
day, but the the compliments of the city
[2:20:56] of Glennard residents having a discount
is not the same as people getting paid
[2:21:02] to work here. Uh the discount is because
the events and the programs that happen
[2:21:10] here are you know one impede the
citizens two it is a benefit for those
[2:21:19] who pay taxes here and who live here so
that we will have a place. So I disagree
[2:21:28] with that part. Um this isn't a
free-for-all. This is a economic
[2:21:35] business but because the business is
impeding the residents and it is a nice
[2:21:42] for the residents to have an opportunity
for them to do birthday parties and
[2:21:47] different types of things. That's why
they are afforded that discount because
[2:21:51] they pay taxes in the city of Glenn
Arten. Uh many of our employees out of
[2:21:56] the 40 including yourself, Mr. Gardner,
you don't live here. So you're getting
[2:22:01] benefits from people who are paying tax
money to live here. That's why they get
[2:22:10] the discount. Um, so I just want to make
sure we clarify that because I am not in
[2:22:16] agreement with that as a resident of
Glenn Arden that someone who doesn't pay
[2:22:20] taxes here doesn't even really have to
shop here because they live in a new
[2:22:24] area puts nothing back into the grounds
but they take from it. Thank you.
[2:22:37] » Thank you, Councilman Cross. Um
that's I think an interesting debate. Um
[2:22:44] I understand where Council Cross is
coming from. Uh I would
[2:22:50] offer
uh contrary opinion
[2:22:55] that I I agree that staff do not pay
taxes here. However, staff is intricral
[2:23:03] part in how the city operates. Um, and
if it wasn't for staff, then citizens
[2:23:10] couldn't have some of the things that we
have now. Um, uh, that's not to say that
[2:23:15] I agree or disagree with with
Councilwoman Cross. uh just offering
[2:23:23] uh a different perspective
in a sense that um
[2:23:29] I do value what the the uh staff brings
to the city uh and in in my opinion view
[2:23:38] them as extension of the city uh whether
they live here or not. Um that the work
[2:23:43] that they do uh benefits us greatly. Uh,
and so
[2:23:50] as a level of appreciation, I may be
inclined to include them as part of the
[2:23:56] family. Um, so
um,
[2:24:02] you know, that is separate from what
Councilman Williams was offering, uh,
[2:24:08] and what I plan on seconding. Uh, but
that, you know, is an interesting
[2:24:13] discussion.
Um, all right. Uh oh, Councilman Cross,
[2:24:19] I gave you the last comment before we
move on.
[2:24:22] » No, thank you for that. And and again, I
I value the staff as well, but I do note
[2:24:28] that they get um a nice paycheck that
has now been put on the proper pay scale
[2:24:35] and is competitive as well as you know,
annual bonuses. Um you know, that
[2:24:42] appropriately accommodate them uh to
show our appreciation for them. Um and
[2:24:48] also now with a you know a retirement
plan in place you know we are taking a
[2:24:55] lot out of the budget already and making
sure that we show our love and
[2:25:01] appreciation. that go room is our
business and our enterprise. And um by
[2:25:07] nature of you being employed here does
not then warrant you to have equal
[2:25:13] standing with people who are living here
who have chosen Glenn Art as their home
[2:25:19] of residence.
>> That already come
[2:25:26] apologies.
All right.
[2:25:34] With that,
I believe that is the final
[2:25:41] topic for our open session uh in our
close session. Uh we plan on having uh
[2:25:47] we will be discussing the uh contract
extension with GCI uh which is allowable
[2:25:54] an allowable topic in a close session uh
and the um
[2:26:01] new police station project as it relates
to the closed u bids that were received.
[2:26:07] Uh that is another allowable topic that
we can discuss in close session. So with
[2:26:14] that, um again, the council reserves the
right to go into close session anytime
[2:26:18] during a public meeting. Uh I just
announced why we will go into close
[2:26:23] session to discuss those two topics and
ask for uh and motion that we go into
[2:26:29] close session. Is there a second?
>> So move and second.
[2:26:35] » Okay. Any discussion?
[2:26:39] Okay. Council clerk, could you do the
vote for a journey to close session,
[2:26:44] please?
[2:26:48] » I'm sorry.
[2:26:53] » You'll just do a roll call of
>> I'm sorry. [laughter] My apologies.
[2:26:58] » No worries.
>> Council Councilwoman Cross.
[2:27:00] » Yes.
[2:27:05] » Councilwoman Jones.
>> Yes.
[2:27:10] Councilman Williams.
[2:27:19] Councilman Williams.
[2:27:23] He
>> I said yes.
[2:27:25] » Oh, okay. You were on mute.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson.
[2:27:30] » Yes.
>> Mayor Curtis.
[2:27:33] » And I'm a yes.
>> Okay.
[2:27:36] » All right. Thank you. So, citizens, we
are adjourning to close session. We do
[2:27:41] not plan to return to open session. Our
next meeting will be a public hearing
[2:27:47] that'll be held on
>> September 15th.
[2:27:53] » Oh, thank you. I'm looking at the wrong
month. September 15th at 700 p.m. Um,
[2:28:01] the open portion of this meeting is now
closed.