1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,620 2020. By the way, it's also my first impersonating with my new job here. This is an important step for the village. As we move away from pandemic restrictions and move towards normal operations, we're live streaming this meeting and we posted it to links that live stream to the village of social media pages. 2 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:35,920 And it will make the recording available on the village's YouTube channel following the conclusion of tonight's meeting. 3 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:45,900 As this is our first in person meeting in a while, I want to remind everyone of the following. 4 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:53,080 If you were vaccinated, you can, but don't have to wear a mask. 5 00:00:53,080 --> 00:01:02,060 If you're not vaccinated, we require that you wear a mask and we're asking everyone 6 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:11,220 that's here in the audience that you sign in on the sign-in sheets and please indicate 7 00:01:11,220 --> 00:01:13,460 whether you're vaccinated. 8 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,260 The next item on our agenda is public comment. 9 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,120 This is the first time in over a year that we've had in person public comment. 10 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,340 So I want to remind everybody of what the rules are, they're the same rules. 11 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:39,920 This part of the meeting allows anyone in attendance to address the board regarding non-agenda items. 12 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:46,900 If you have a comment about an agenda item, don't make it now because there will be time to make it later. 13 00:01:49,460 --> 00:01:57,380 All your comments should be limited to three minutes, and I've got helpers, but I'll tell you when your time is up. 14 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:05,700 And I, in my day chat for a long time, I was a lawyer and people always told me to shut up when time was over and uncomfortable doing that. 15 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:14,880 If you're speaking for a group of people and the other people are agreeing not to speak, 16 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,380 then we'd be going to give you more time and you should let us know that in advance. 17 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:27,560 When you go to the podium, state your name and address unless you've contacted the village staff, 18 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,140 ahead of time, you're not going to be able to present any audio-visual materials. 19 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:37,540 All comments should be directed to the board members. 20 00:02:38,260 --> 00:02:40,660 Don't ask questions of the audience. 21 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:43,740 Don't direct comments to the audience. 22 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,740 If there's a question that's raised, we're going to acknowledge the question 23 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:52,780 and may or may not get back to it immediately. 24 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,800 And I'll last ask to sometimes meet meetings. 25 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:00,960 I don't expect this one will, but sometimes meetings can get heated. 26 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:12,960 Please avoid vulgar discriminatory or threatened comments, and if you file it that rule, we may stop you. 27 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,260 And also, please don't boo or cheer or applaud speakers. 28 00:03:20,620 --> 00:03:24,220 We want the meeting to be as business-like as it could be. 29 00:03:25,540 --> 00:03:43,660 While the Village Board was meeting remotely during the pandemic, one of the things we provided for was public comments could be made via email and then Jordan Lester, one of our intrepid staff members, would read them into the record. 30 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,440 That's not part of the rules for public meetings. 31 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,700 That was never done before. 32 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:59,120 We've gotten a request from a citizen asking if we would continue with that. 33 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:02,660 My recommendation is that we don't. 34 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,840 Public meetings are public meetings. 35 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:11,780 And what we think, what I think, and I'll ask the Board if they disagree, 36 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:16,880 is that people have something they want to say to the board as part of the public meeting. 37 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,080 They should come here and say it. 38 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:22,080 We recognize there might be exceptions to that. 39 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:26,240 Someone can't come for some good reason. 40 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,020 Possibly health, possibly out of town, alert us ahead of time. 41 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,260 And we may be able to accommodate you. 42 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:36,120 But if you're just someone that wants to be our pen pal, 43 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:43,480 You don't want that, and I always felt that even when it was necessary, that reading into 44 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:50,700 the record of our correspondence was pretty disruptive of the flow of the meeting. 45 00:04:52,480 --> 00:05:01,160 By the way, if somebody sends us something, if I get such something, I read it all, if you 46 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,140 something important numbers, they will need it, all of it. 47 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:07,780 And I don't have any problem, assuming we're allowed to do it. 48 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,800 If you have comments that you want to send on something, 49 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,140 having it posted publicly, but what I really 50 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:20,080 don't want to do is disrupt meetings, particularly 51 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,460 meetings, where we have numbers. 52 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,280 The public who are spending their valuable time, 53 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,620 I don't want them listening to our mail be read. 54 00:05:27,420 --> 00:05:28,700 Anybody disagree with that? 55 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:31,060 I think we should have a different approach. 56 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,500 Yeah, hi, thanks. 57 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:41,000 I think that's providing an opportunity for the public to comment by email as a perfectly 58 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,020 legitimate and acceptable form of submitting comment. 59 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,860 I don't know that we necessarily need to read them into the record as, you know, we have 60 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:48,200 the email. 61 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,820 I'm sure there's another way to get them involved in the record. 62 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:57,280 And perhaps what we could simply do is summarize the comment and so we all have a chance 63 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:03,320 respond to it publicly in a forum like this. I think that an email, you know, if we get into an 64 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,880 email thread and we're trying to address these questions via email, it can quickly become 65 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,880 fragmented discussion. So to me it would make sense to have somebody, if the email is along, 66 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:23,460 summarize the key points here at the board meeting and then let the board members react to that 67 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:33,580 and keep that dialogue as part of the record as opposed to not allowing this very common form of communication. 68 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Anybody else want to comment on this, I mean, we probably did agree on a bunch of stuff in that and there are some areas where I'm not sure it would be workable, but that anybody else on this, I mean, I don't care. 69 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:03,300 The you make good points and maybe there's a way to attach those to the record. 70 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:12,500 I agree with the basic promise that we don't just read them in gross into the record. 71 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,700 I'm very concerned about trying to summarize someone else's points and missing what their point was. 72 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,960 And that can just run into all kinds of crops. 73 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,940 I think the President's point was well made, 74 00:07:28,940 --> 00:07:30,940 and I'm sure you do this, and we all do this. 75 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:31,780 Well, read the stuff. 76 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,180 We get emails about things going on in town all the time, 77 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,620 and we read them, and make sure everybody else is aware of them. 78 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,400 So maybe that's the time when we could stop and say, 79 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:46,360 does anybody else want to address anything else about that? 80 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:48,220 That's related, and we can have a discussion 81 00:07:48,220 --> 00:07:52,640 people want to or not. I mean sometimes people come and they make comments and we don't want 82 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:58,320 to respond immediately or it's we have to go back and think about it and have staff think about it. 83 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:07,340 So perhaps if people feel in need to append those somebody identifies an email says please put 84 00:08:07,340 --> 00:08:13,500 this in the records so that somehow people could read them if they want to along with our notes 85 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:19,160 they go online, maybe that's feasible and appropriate, but beyond that, I just don't want 86 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,880 to get in the business of interpretation, but otherwise as I said, it's a good point. 87 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:25,640 Sleep. 88 00:08:26,860 --> 00:08:28,200 Joe, did you have? 89 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:28,420 No. 90 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:41,100 So both, both, Pete and Gary have made good points, I would be very uncomfortable, and I don't 91 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:46,660 I don't want to be like Bill Barr, where we're summarizing something possibly in accurately. 92 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:50,180 And I'm not sure we should be doing that. 93 00:08:50,460 --> 00:09:00,860 We should talk with our council about an extent in which we can include emails we get in the material that's in the record. 94 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,640 And I think Gary makes an excellent point and I think Pete was on this too. 95 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:13,120 If any of us think it's worth raising these issues, then we should raise them. 96 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:13,960 There's a time to do it. 97 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:20,620 By the way, you'll see in the regular meeting, we've gotten a bunch of correspondence 98 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:27,820 from a resident who's concerned about a sign near her house, and we're going to get raised 99 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:29,960 in an opportunity to discuss it. 100 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,320 I think that's probably exactly what Gary has in mind, and maybe what Pete has in mind, 101 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,380 except that there won't be any official summary of all the first 102 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:44,320 components it'll be up to the board to decide whether to 103 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:48,320 identify an issue and talk about it. 104 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,260 So I'm comfortable with the proposal by moving on. 105 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,840 I think what you say makes sense and I'd be very happy with that. 106 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,420 Because I think the significant change from what you're initially 107 00:09:58,420 --> 00:10:00,880 proposed was that we would allow the public comment. 108 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:08,300 we would, or is there not, are we not differentiating between emails that come in, you're sort 109 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:11,920 of saying any email that we get from a resident where you should bring up if we would like 110 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,140 to? 111 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Absolutely. 112 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,360 What I didn't want to do, which was happening before, because it had to, was reading 113 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,200 into the record. 114 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:28,820 I just thought that was disruptive and violent and disruptive to the, you know, sometimes 115 00:10:28,820 --> 00:10:34,920 tiny audience, sometimes bigger audience who's here for meeting in general, I think it's 116 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,100 reasonable to expect people to come to our meetings if they want to, if they really 117 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:46,020 want to be sure, they can say something and have a captive audience if they want to email 118 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:52,760 us, we're getting it. I could represent, I'm leaving all of them, I think everybody here 119 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,240 is reading all of them and they're still an opportunity for any board member to say, I got 120 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:03,720 mail it's interesting and let's talk about what I didn't want was the reading of the record 121 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,340 which was challenging. I think we've got a plan, Dudley? 122 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,640 I just want to say that some of them want to be a whole fashion that sense of the better. 123 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:22,140 Same thing. Same thing. You know, hey, you can send a smoke signals if we get it. We're going to 124 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:31,160 going to pay attention to it. Okay. Welcome, Mr. Elrod. Thank you. Okay. 125 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,340 So, have been given 126 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:43,520 all the rules. Is there anyone that has anything that's a non-agenda item that they want 127 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,460 to raise now before we get to our committee of the whole agenda? 128 00:11:50,580 --> 00:11:53,200 I'll see anybody. So, let's 129 00:11:53,200 --> 00:12:00,780 go to the first item on the planned agenda, which is a discussion of proposed amendments 130 00:12:00,780 --> 00:12:06,840 to the village of Glencoe's human relations ordinance, and that's something that's 131 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:13,280 been worked on by our community relations forum, and I'll ask the chair of the human 132 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:19,680 The community relations formed to be Clark to make a presentation. I'm happy. Welcome, Ms. Clark. 133 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Yeah, I want to know it. Because it's because the microphone and I'm not sure if that microphone is on actually 134 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:35,150 Day of the second 135 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:59,660 Okay, thank you for having me here. My name is Gifty Clark. I live on 10.55 junior 136 00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:08,660 And I am the chair of the community relations forum, which will not be called that for too long, I hope. 137 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:15,880 Thank you for inviting me here today to speak to the human relations ordinance. 138 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:28,000 I do not have a presentation as you can see, because everything that has changed is provided in the packet that you should ever see. 139 00:13:29,180 --> 00:13:33,900 with, you know, thanks to Emily, who actually said, well, we're there before and what 140 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:34,320 is there in you. 141 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:40,960 So it's pretty easy to follow, so I'm not going to get into the details right now, however, 142 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:45,460 if you guys have questions on any of that and feel free to ask me after. 143 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,560 I just wanted to give you a little bit of a background on how we got to where we got 144 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,560 and why some of the changes that you see are in the ordinance. 145 00:13:56,780 --> 00:14:03,580 Back in February or March was a bill, when we had presented to the board, it was on a Zoom. 146 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:17,600 And it was the first time I met at the chair that we had presented to the community relations forum, all the members, and what some of our goals are. 147 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:25,500 And where we see in the village of Lanko and working with our communities around us, 148 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:28,800 where we saw our four working towards those holes. 149 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:37,280 And we have come up with a mission statement that is on our website today, which focuses 150 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,680 a lot on diversity and inclusion. 151 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:52,080 So, when we were asked to come and present at the board meeting in February, one of the things 152 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:58,380 was raised by member Rubin was the ordinance for human relations. 153 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,800 It was. 154 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Who lost leader would say, oh, 1997 was, I think, when it was last amended. And considering where we were heading, 25 years later, it was time to change. 155 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:46,750 So we took that upon ourselves as our relief of a priority, let's just say, I won't say it with our top priority, but it was a priority to come up with more realistic, more realistic, I'm not a lawyer, I can't say the right term for the ordinance, but duties and roles of what the forum is going to play in this village. 156 00:15:48,270 --> 00:16:01,090 So we met as a group several times and went through every word several times, sometimes 157 00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:07,790 spent too much time on a word, which we didn't need to, probably, but you know we're 158 00:16:07,790 --> 00:16:13,210 reaping the benefits of it right now, so we did spend time, let's just say that that was my 159 00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:15,930 idea of saying like when we spent so much time on every word. 160 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:22,770 So, every word was scrutinized and finally, we did come to a consensus in our last meeting, 161 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:30,550 which was last week, and we were able to present what you see today as the new Cuban relations 162 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:31,530 ordinance. 163 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:38,490 The main reason really, again, like I mentioned, it was an older document from 164 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:50,650 7. It didn't really fit with what we as a group want to do. Our goals that we have kind 165 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:57,170 of spoken with, you know, the village president and our village manager, and it just was 166 00:16:57,170 --> 00:17:06,090 not aligned. So we just aligned it, made it more modern up to date, if you may. It is focused 167 00:17:06,090 --> 00:17:10,870 on inclusion. They doesn't really have any of the other things that were there in the previous 168 00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:16,330 ordinance. So it's more focused on the work that they are doing. 169 00:17:18,430 --> 00:17:19,170 And you know quite 170 00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:26,050 quite honestly it's not a second stone. So you know it's something comes up when the next chair for 171 00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:30,990 example comes on the group and thinks that there's something that needs to be changed or terminology 172 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:40,150 changes because the EI is a very sensitive topic but also very evaluating. So it's always evolving 173 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:52,090 new new terminology comes up some other terminology either becomes old or inappropriate. So 174 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:58,690 you know when something like that comes up we would need to change that ordinance. So you 175 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:05,170 I mean, I'm sure it will get changed again, maybe not in 25 years, maybe sooner. 176 00:18:06,050 --> 00:18:13,010 I would actually recommend that we do look at it sooner than in 25 years, probably in the next five years, 177 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:13,650 on more time. 178 00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:17,010 It needs to be, you know, look at and kept up to date. 179 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:21,790 So, you know, I think it's very important for the work that we do. 180 00:18:21,790 --> 00:18:33,870 So that's really up with it, like I said, I don't have a presentation, I didn't, I just wanted to come and see if any of you have questions on it. 181 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:35,550 Thank you. 182 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:42,890 Gravity is the source of all speaker points, so you don't get any demerits for being pointed and brief. 183 00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:51,770 And thank you for the excellent work, which looks like an update that we're going to obviously have to have our council make sure that 184 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:52,750 that we're not creating. 185 00:18:52,910 --> 00:18:58,310 Well, I was going to be a problem somehow, but I, you know, I focusing, particularly on 186 00:18:58,310 --> 00:19:06,330 your new, you know, sort of the introductory provision, you know, I would be proud to 187 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:08,790 associate myself and my village with that. 188 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:13,290 So, thank you to you and your group, anybody else want to have any questions? 189 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:17,070 Yeah, of course, thank you for the work, it's super important. 190 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:33,750 This notion of being current and worrying about the ordinance, you know, sometimes you can move these kinds of policies into a separate document, that's easier to more living document and the ordinance just refers to it. 191 00:19:33,810 --> 00:19:44,610 So we can have some language that points to a document which is a live document and then wouldn't require as much border approval so it doesn't go stale. 192 00:19:44,610 --> 00:20:01,170 I don't know if that's an idea we'd like to entertain, but I suspect we've got examples of that here in the village where we establish a different type of structure than putting exactly what we're saying in the ordinance, but rather leave that outside as a reference manual if you will. 193 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:07,890 That's a serious and thoughtful point. 194 00:20:08,590 --> 00:20:12,470 I gather that, you know, 195 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:16,550 the formerly treated relations form, 196 00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:18,950 hopefully for them should be something else. 197 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:20,990 And what you were looking for was, 198 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:24,810 at this time was a buy-in by the board. 199 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:27,470 Yeah, so to answer the question. 200 00:20:28,690 --> 00:20:29,370 I agree. 201 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:31,930 We probably don't want to keep changing the pick up 202 00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:38,930 maybe we have references. However, this time, there are significant changes in the documents, 203 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:49,130 like I said, through this one, wasn't aligned at all with the world for doing. So it has taken us 204 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:57,310 time to align it, to the goals of what the forums is meant to do. So I'm not going to go back to what 205 00:20:57,310 --> 00:20:59,990 was meant to do, but really what it is meant to do. 206 00:21:00,610 --> 00:21:04,550 So I would definitely want to encourage you all 207 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:06,090 to look at it from that perspective 208 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:09,850 and see if we can get that new ordinance 209 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:12,290 that we have for it in place right now, 210 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:20,510 as our baseline, you know, for the future edits. 211 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:24,850 I do want to, I did not bring up the name. 212 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:27,930 We have worked very hard on a new name. 213 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:32,310 We are not calling ourselves a community relation forum, 214 00:21:32,890 --> 00:21:36,210 but we would like to call ourselves a clinical counsel 215 00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:40,590 for inclusion and community. 216 00:21:42,410 --> 00:21:46,210 It resonates with the work we do 217 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:51,070 when a resident or non-seize the name 218 00:21:51,070 --> 00:22:01,130 they see it for what we are, so it speaks for itself, and so that is a really large proposal 219 00:22:01,130 --> 00:22:04,090 in that document is the main change. 220 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:13,870 One thing, if I can, President Rowan, I think, is just to piggyback on what the chair of the forum 221 00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:15,150 is kind of talked through. 222 00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:23,250 I think when we were dialing about this back in February, there was a desire to make sure 223 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:31,870 that the villages approved ordinances were fairly strong with respect to the issue of diversity 224 00:22:31,870 --> 00:22:38,690 equity and inclusion. And I think trusty Mulvaney, as the counsel, if that's what it'll 225 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:42,170 ultimately be referred to continues its work. 226 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:50,330 This will be probably less of a document that is amended and more of one that is referred 227 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:58,710 to as the work of the council continues down the road and really as a generalized 228 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:03,530 yet strong statement of the village's perspective on these issues. 229 00:23:03,530 --> 00:23:09,970 So that, I think that's why the update to the municipal code was suggested by the forum 230 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:16,610 and the work that they've done, I think, is brought the language up to speed with current 231 00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:17,250 expectations. 232 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:26,410 But I don't think it precludes the ability for there to be other structures or documents 233 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:30,890 that are fed by that ideal, so to speak. 234 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:33,610 Thank you. 235 00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:34,350 Anybody else? 236 00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:36,130 I have a question about it. 237 00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:40,090 Is this a policy document or a law? 238 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:51,290 It would be an ordinance which more is a structure or the organization of the entity 239 00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:53,190 from which policy decision. 240 00:23:54,070 --> 00:24:01,950 And trust you know, Dana's point could be incorporated in future policies, could be in a separate or living document. 241 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:06,630 This is the structure and form of the group, whatever it's going to be called. 242 00:24:06,850 --> 00:24:10,210 Yes, it's an ordinance and it would be in the municipal code. 243 00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:14,730 Council counsel for inclusion and community. 244 00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:16,890 That's our proposal. 245 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:20,670 Believe me, we worked for many hours on that day. 246 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:29,170 We even thought community maybe just like cutting short of a word, but you know, well, some thought it was too long. 247 00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:33,250 Yeah, well, I won't go there. It was, it was twice the daunting cast. 248 00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:36,870 Anybody else, yeah, a couple of hundred comments. 249 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:42,150 If not, thank you very much for your hard work, for your presentation. 250 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:48,030 And, you know, we'll get the ordinance on the agenda. 251 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:49,270 Wonderful. 252 00:24:49,270 --> 00:25:00,750 Okay, the next item on our agenda is a discussion of current regulations, best practices, 253 00:25:01,130 --> 00:25:06,070 and potential strategies regarding murals in the central business district, and I'll 254 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:12,290 ask our development services manager, Taylor Faxcher, to fill us in, and then Taylor. 255 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,300 Thank you, President Rowan. 256 00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:23,140 We also have the look plan to be brown here with us, and I do is going to be doing the bulk 257 00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:27,760 of this presentation regarding some issues with murals that have come up. 258 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:34,020 This is really a risen out of three different proposals we've had in downtown Glencoe, 259 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:39,060 over the past year and a half, for murals, all on private property. 260 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:46,500 And as Leib will get into in a bit more detail, we've realized that we're not really fully 261 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:52,120 prepared to deal with this issue, from a regulatory standpoint, and also from the standpoint 262 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:56,480 of knowing what the village is, goals for public art, 263 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,100 murals, signage, et cetera, downtown, might be. 264 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:01,540 So I'll turn it over to Lee now. 265 00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:04,100 He's got some slides with some more details on some. 266 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Some of the issues that we're dealing with, as well as some 267 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,920 some pest practices and some potential wasteful work. 268 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:10,820 Thank you. 269 00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:13,760 Thank you, too. 270 00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:19,330 President Trustee, he's his pleasure to be here physically. 271 00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:28,450 This is an issue that is not pointed at a specific property, though it was essentially in 272 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:36,110 gender by the fact that we received applications that involved the potential establishment 273 00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:37,810 of murals in the downtown area. 274 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:48,660 you want to sometime just before the pandemic took us apart we received an application that was 275 00:26:48,660 --> 00:26:56,980 associated with the reuse of 668 burning that included the potential for changing a very 276 00:26:56,980 --> 00:27:05,760 blank wall on the north side of the building to include a graphic image. It was determined by 277 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,540 staff that it was not assigned and it was brought before the Plan Commission as part of the 278 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:17,480 overall appearance review process that requires the Plan Commission to make a determination 279 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,220 on the character and nature of the improvements that are proposed. 280 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,700 But the Plan Commission recognizing that the staff's recommendation that it was not assigned 281 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:35,840 looked at it simply for its graphic character and could not, in the end, determined that 282 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,880 it was a lovable or not allowed within the village. 283 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,420 It's not a sign, what is it? 284 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:52,780 We have a very specific standard in the zoning ordinance that says any object device to 285 00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:58,840 play your structure or part there of situated outdoors or indoors that is used to advertise 286 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:06,100 identify, display, direct or attract attention and it goes on, that is a sign. The graphics 287 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:13,200 that were being proposed before the Plan Commission did not have those characteristics that 288 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,420 could be called a sign. 289 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:25,080 You may remember those of you who were involved in the tuna process 290 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:32,920 by which ultimately established the design, both the plan for downtown and then ultimately 291 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,960 the design guidelines that were adopted to follow the plan. There was discussion of public art 292 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:48,060 as part of the process, what makes a vibrant downtown, what with our Glencoe V if we allowed 293 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:54,760 a greater amount of public art. I think it's important and I'm referencing again what Taylor 294 00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,700 to spoke to. There is a clear distinction between what we allow or encourage in the public 295 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:06,320 right of ways and the public properties versus what is allowed or not allowed within private 296 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,660 properties or on private buildings. And murals in this situation those that have been proposed 297 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:18,440 before us have been on private properties and would be either regulated through our zoning 298 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,100 ordinances or the design guidelines or not. 299 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,920 Our choices about what we would allow in the public way or in other public art conditions 300 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,660 is not what we're discussing here tonight. 301 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,960 But clearly, a mural is a painting, mosaic, fresco or other permanent artwork attached 302 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 or applied directly to the outside of a structure. 303 00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:47,580 And most communities when they recognize the benefit or choose to allow for murals, 304 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:51,320 Distinguished between their definition of murals and signs. 305 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,760 Do we regulate murals? There is nothing in the zoning code or in the design guidelines. 306 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,700 That either permit, directly, or prohibit girls. We don't have the guidance and that is why we're before you tonight. 307 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:20,390 We do in the design guidelines speaks specifically to art, public art, and streetscapes, but they are within the public realm, those areas that we have direct control over. 308 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:32,520 The question essentially is, should we regulate murals? And if so, what condition should be considered? 309 00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:42,030 When you look at other communities that regulate activities like murals in public art, it is 310 00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:48,210 location that they consider, and particularly is it allowing for a safe location that does not 311 00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:50,970 disrupt either traffic or other elements. 312 00:30:52,230 --> 00:31:00,220 You can regulate how big or how small a mural can be on what surfaces on the building because 313 00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:07,840 It may be just the facade or it may be you allow it on other faces of the building, those 314 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,220 that face public spaces or only private spaces. 315 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:23,080 And who is it that has the best ability to consider the appropriateness of the village board? 316 00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:24,320 Is it the plan commission? 317 00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:26,980 Is it an outside arts council? 318 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:36,700 It appears from a national perspective, those that have looked at murals as being an important element of their business districts and even in some cases. 319 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,320 There are residential districts. 320 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:47,820 They have not done it as a municipality as much as put together as an arts council, that encourages art, encourages murals, 321 00:31:47,820 --> 00:32:04,640 and then so doing, they direct how that is best controlled, they don't do it from a we're going to allow for private developers to propose something and regulate it, they do it because they encourage it and they choose the artwork itself. 322 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:17,020 And then lastly amongst the other things that you consider is this, if we allow it, do we allow it on the basis of for a short term to test it, to allow that it, 323 00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:22,920 creates a reaction in the community that's positive or we make it permanent once you're up 324 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,940 you have the authority to keep it up. 325 00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:31,610 Can or should we control the content or image of the mirror? 326 00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:39,850 And I'll allow Steve to choose to weigh in on this. This is an important element that distinguishes 327 00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:46,630 both how we regulate signs and if we regulate murals. And that is that there are very 328 00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:52,710 clear, now I shouldn't say it that way. There are strong decisions by the Supreme Court 329 00:32:53,130 --> 00:33:01,350 that identify the fallacy of controlling the content of signs or murals. And the moment 330 00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:11,370 you begin to engage in determining whether the message or the image itself is appropriate 331 00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:18,850 for the community, then you are essentially becoming, you are losing your content and neutrality 332 00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:25,350 and you may fall a foul of the Supreme Court decisions. 333 00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:31,630 So what are some of the considerations concerning murals? 334 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:36,870 murals should not present a commercial message if they do, they are assigned. 335 00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:42,430 murals should not be allowed to offend the community with a sanity or other offensive language 336 00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:44,750 that falls outside the first amendment protections. 337 00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:51,150 The size of murals should not diminish the character of the structure to which it is attached, 338 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:58,110 or adjacent structures or uses, need of the village board or the Plan Commission are currently 339 00:33:58,110 --> 00:34:04,210 equipped to evaluate the qualities of the murals and evaluating their content is legally problematic. 340 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:09,270 And the village may wish to control murals through licensing rather than zoning. 341 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:17,490 So this is the element of, if you think it's appropriate to encourage murals, particularly 342 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,710 in the downtown, but it may be in other businesses. 343 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:22,870 That's a threshold question. 344 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:28,230 We're not presenting it as, in any way, if you had a complete idea that you'd want to do this, 345 00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:34,630 but if you wanted to do it, these are some of the considerations you should be giving us 346 00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:36,630 some important direction. 347 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:37,330 I don't have 348 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,980 any questions for staff at this point. 349 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:48,880 I didn't have a follow-up if we had time about not coming to the discussion. 350 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,680 It's related to this, but more general-sized sign code updates. 351 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,500 Taylor, why don't we touch on that, but a little bit? 352 00:34:56,660 --> 00:34:58,620 I think it's probably, I don't want to. 353 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:09,280 So related to this is a broader discussion about our sign code, which staff is of the opinion needs to be addressed with some amendments. 354 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:18,740 The scalable amendments is up for discussion at this point, but there's some issues that we're dealing with with working with our assigned code kind of on a day-to-day basis. 355 00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:31,300 The first is just the general clarity, consistency, usability of the code. It's very difficult for staff to work through. There's a lot of clarity issues. 356 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,980 Richmond Galen, our planner, works with it, where that anyone else, I know that he struggles 357 00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:42,800 with, you know, our same language in there, and it's very difficult for business owners, 358 00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:48,160 sign contractors, to get the information they need out of just from general clarity issues. 359 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,440 The second issue is content-based restrictions, which lead touched on, recent Supreme Court 360 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,000 decisions have really limited the ability of municipalities to regulate signage based on their content 361 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:10,060 and our code currently has quite a bit of content based restrictions in it, which we feel 362 00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:14,180 need to be addressed in the near future. 363 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,000 And finally, there could be some policy updates that could be useful as we could do this 364 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,560 process. 365 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:25,580 Temporary signage is not very well addressed in our sign code right now. 366 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,340 Downtown window signage is unclear and difficult to enforce, which written right now. 367 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,220 And we feel like there could be some updates that make that a lot easier. 368 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,560 The work with as well as make better meat, the goals of the village will we want to see downtown and throughout the village. 369 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:42,580 So it's just something to start thinking about. 370 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:50,060 We are going to take this back to you at a later date with some more in-depth discussion of what these issues are 371 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,660 and some potential paths forward, 372 00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:54,160 but we didn't want you to start thinking about this, 373 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,000 is it as tight as this in this section? 374 00:36:56,580 --> 00:37:00,740 I would suggest that we, as Taylor indicated, 375 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,620 this is something that we're gonna be, 376 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,760 we're gonna be working on to bring back 377 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,060 some thoughts and recommendations for discussion. 378 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:10,920 And tonight, really is more about, as Lee mentioned, 379 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,320 talking about that threshold question 380 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,680 as it relates to murals. 381 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,460 Our murals, something that the Village Board 382 00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:26,200 is interested in regulating, or is there a perspective that they're inappropriate or to complicate 383 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,260 it to manage and or regulate. 384 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,460 And I think that really, that really kind of does the point of tonight's discussion is not 385 00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:41,280 exactly how we would do it, but do you want to do it? 386 00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:48,220 To least point, it is somewhat silent that the newly redone design guidelines for the 387 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:54,060 downtown. There was some significant discussion at the Plan Commission level, but they couldn't 388 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:59,920 land it. And so it was not included in the final design guidelines. I think as we now sit 389 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:08,060 here and we see renewed interest in the downtown, a great deal of new business approaching us 390 00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:17,700 and saying, hey, we want to be in your downtown, they're coming with new ideas. And some of 391 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,600 things should have evolved. 392 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:21,600 And so here we are. 393 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,980 We want to be able to answer questions that you may have. 394 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,980 But really, it's, you know, at this point, 395 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:30,380 you may need more information. 396 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:34,800 But is there something that's pulling you in one direction 397 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,040 or another given some of the considerations Jordan, 398 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,800 can you slide, go to the slide just prior to that? 399 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,360 Yeah. 400 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,580 I think this was a good summary for what we are thinking through. 401 00:38:49,370 --> 00:39:19,350 Let me say thank you for the presentations, but I believe from this, this one isn't easy, and I can immediately see how murals could be just great, and I can also see how we can get stuck with a mural that ever going to want to gag with a spoon, and the question is, is there any way we could start down this road and not be subject to a mural. 402 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:25,150 that wants us to hang ourselves and think is harming our businesses and that, to me, that's the hard question. 403 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:27,490 And I don't know what the answer is. 404 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:31,370 I could give an example of what I'm talking about, but I won't. 405 00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:34,910 They do y'all, you know, have a example on our heads. 406 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:36,110 But I think that's why it's a problem. 407 00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:38,270 It's because of Europe, it'd be great. 408 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:41,650 We have this business district where we're excited about. 409 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:45,470 And I, for one, don't want to start down the road where somebody, 410 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:59,950 It was probably out of his going to put an eye sore right in the middle of him and you know what's an eye sore maybe an eye in the boulder and I'm going to let me ask this if you can answer this 411 00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:10,710 We could a obvious problem is political speech which is you know used to be the most protected thing and the old day if you maybe could say okay 412 00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:12,910 we're just getting rid of all political speech. 413 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:14,250 I don't know if that's allowed. 414 00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:19,170 And if it's now allowed, you can proceed. 415 00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:27,530 So let's also make a distinction between public property 416 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:30,110 and property, and I think that that's important. 417 00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:35,290 And in villages, the worst speech versus regulated speech, 418 00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:40,690 which is the majority of these people, 419 00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:47,970 presentation dealt with private property, not village and north of the Redderville is regulated. 420 00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:52,970 We're allowing size, so let's start with that. 421 00:40:54,410 --> 00:41:05,990 And these are absolutely correct that our ability to regulate speech like that on private property has been significantly limited. 422 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:14,850 And we talked about it a little bit with political campaign signs, which is a whole other issue, 423 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:25,230 but it could be argued to fall within this category. Once you open up a door, the door gets wide open. 424 00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:33,270 So, is it a year or so, especially, can we, with respect, just close the door? 425 00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:39,230 You know, we don't want it because we see the problem and I don't know that we can't. 426 00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:44,810 But, you know, there's no, you can't simply say, you cannot do political speech and fraud. 427 00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:49,110 So, what if we said, okay, you can't do murals. 428 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:56,250 Very simple step, you know, to find it that, because that's because we don't love food 429 00:41:56,250 --> 00:42:00,250 and wouldn't love certain murals, but because we could just see it won't be long before 430 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:02,190 we're stuck with something, Mr. 431 00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:10,310 So you have a better, a better ability to have regulation where you are simply for pivoting 432 00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:21,350 years. This seems really hard to me, but it's also seen, but I just don't want our village 433 00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:31,290 to be defaced by something that's going to be a must. And I think it's worth recognizing 434 00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:36,530 that it need not to have a single word to have a message. 435 00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:47,530 I totally get that. I immediately have thought of two political statements with no words. 436 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,350 I don't want to get it. 437 00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:56,930 To that point, making murals temporary rather than permanent. 438 00:42:57,770 --> 00:43:05,310 So we allow for some amount of public art, which can make a community more vibrant, is exciting. 439 00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:12,710 But at the same time, like he said, we don't want to be stuck with something that is permanent that no one likes. 440 00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:16,790 And maybe some short time when it gives an answer or the answer. 441 00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:23,070 I'd like to distribute this whole big stretch, because really kind of poor location, like limited to the commercial districts. 442 00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:24,690 Not special. 443 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:35,290 One other, is there an ability, if you have an arts council, sort of like if you're an arts center? 444 00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:38,950 they can veto certain pieces. 445 00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:49,050 Can an art council do that or does public this free speech get in the way of having a qualitative evaluation of a mural before it goes out? 446 00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:49,870 It would. 447 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:52,590 It gives it a little bit of a step away. 448 00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:55,830 The arts council is more of a. 449 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:58,510 It is disassociated from the village. 450 00:44:00,150 --> 00:44:11,510 In communities that have allowed murals, there they indicate that they have a council that 451 00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:15,210 do not consist of elected or appointed officials. 452 00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:20,530 You're not going to find many in the Chicago area, because there are, 453 00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:28,490 I mean, some of 454 00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:38,570 But there are more for what to do on public property and how to promote our street rights 455 00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:45,790 of way or on public greens and open spaces with the village that are owned by the village. 456 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:57,830 Or to determine if there is a planned development or some discretionary relief 457 00:44:57,830 --> 00:44:59,970 but it's quite kind of horrible. 458 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:23,120 Benefit would exist if the donation of art had to be put on a public right away, and you'll find that to be more common in our neighbors, in the international, but not that the concept of an art council that would be judging private and the concept of Europe. 459 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,120 So what's the next step? 460 00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:30,100 I mean, so we've identified a really complicated issue. 461 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,700 Now what? 462 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,240 Well, I think you need to first address the threshold question. 463 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,260 You wanted it all. 464 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,440 And if you do, then we start figuring out ways to get to the gas, 465 00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:52,200 to get you to allow it in the most possible way. 466 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:59,780 It's Steve, what do most of our neighbors, what chapters, most of our neighbors take this up in seconds? 467 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400 The most prohibited. 468 00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:06,540 You know, to be, I don't know. 469 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:14,040 Generally, generally, yes, that many communities just find it easier just to call them signs and limit 470 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:21,300 essentially area and location. I showed you the images that I showed you on those slides 471 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:31,120 are from Evanston. There were two graphics from Evanston. Some from Joey at one from Detroit, 472 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:36,760 which actually I put up because it became, it was a, everyone thought it was going to be a great image 473 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,880 of solidarity of the police, yet it turned into a local issue against blue. 474 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:49,080 anything can become a community issue to the President's point. 475 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,980 But the majority of communities that choose to encourage it are doing it through arts 476 00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:06,040 consoles to essentially hand out either license or authority or grants to allow for art 477 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520 in public places not on private property. 478 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:28,090 I think it's a great idea. 479 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:32,510 I think it's a great idea. 480 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:34,350 I think it's a great idea. 481 00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:35,090 Think about how to earn it. 482 00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:37,390 As opposed to the other work, 483 00:47:37,610 --> 00:47:39,070 I mean, it's going to be a great idea. 484 00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:42,830 I would put the other work in front of this. 485 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:47,890 It was complex and it would be thought. 486 00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:52,390 And what you do, start to realize. 487 00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:59,410 And the approach is that I found and he asked him to accept very well. 488 00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:03,570 But the action will keep on and easing. 489 00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:07,070 It's a great opportunity for people to be able to meet our scouts. 490 00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:09,350 Do you think you can control the truth? 491 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:13,150 I think you know that you can do it. 492 00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:13,410 You can do it. 493 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:14,650 It's an organization. 494 00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:17,030 It's an organization. 495 00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:19,930 It's an organization. 496 00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:30,990 I guess that's what I'm sitting, is where I'm now, yes it's something to look at, but I'm 497 00:48:30,990 --> 00:48:36,670 more concerned about what is happening in the building, that we have these other issues 498 00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:07,330 Honey. 499 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:10,670 Anybody else? 500 00:49:11,590 --> 00:49:11,910 Right. 501 00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:13,150 And I can worry. 502 00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:14,310 They're done. 503 00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:20,270 Like no one would have to just sit and tell them, 504 00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:22,990 but I just saw that I was starting to move. 505 00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:24,130 I'm just trying to help themselves. 506 00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:27,430 I am doing all for that and you'll see. 507 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,070 I know. 508 00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:33,070 Okay. 509 00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:38,470 Anybody else? 510 00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:40,890 Gary. 511 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:42,970 Question you, Rick. 512 00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:46,990 Any communities? 513 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:50,970 Given the potential downside. 514 00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:57,070 We have to fortunate to say, well, that's not because it's too tricky. 515 00:49:59,950 --> 00:50:02,330 And if we think we're like they didn't go there, 516 00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:04,870 if we were seeing any media issues, 517 00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:07,470 right now when I'm here, we have to go. 518 00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:08,710 We have to go left. 519 00:50:09,490 --> 00:50:11,470 Somebody wants to, and I do, 520 00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:14,570 I don't want from our town to see all the left of the earth. 521 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:19,710 So one reason is to talk about a thousand and not. 522 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:22,330 Somebody wanted to put up something. 523 00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:28,250 Anyway, what was the use of building proposed use of the building that that's came up that was 524 00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:36,030 decided to back the side it was a restaurant and what might they be serving at that restaurant at the time it was intended to be sushi 525 00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:39,310 They didn't think that was a song 526 00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:39,950 Okay 527 00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:45,010 I'll leave it for those folks to decide that try and get tension to the words 528 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:47,810 a particular use 529 00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:49,750 giant fish 530 00:50:53,830 --> 00:51:00,130 There's a lot, that's a fact that it hasn't come up and is this something where we should be saying, 531 00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:05,430 well, we're worried that something might come up and then what's it's up? 532 00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:09,730 Now we don't have nothing, no way to say no. 533 00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:11,770 Somebody does it. 534 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:16,750 Now we pass an ordinance to really make it take it down like Washington ever. 535 00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:18,370 That's something really. 536 00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:24,870 So do we want to do something temporal to say, you know, let's get this on the agenda? 537 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:27,730 Let's just say, no, like everybody else does. 538 00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:33,570 But the problem is to ourselves that we're going to revisit it in a much more fuller fashion 539 00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:35,750 and decide if we want to do something. 540 00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:39,310 I'm trying to make sure we're not going to let the problem happen. 541 00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:44,910 And I was going to bring something up similar, and I was going to ask you, Steve. 542 00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:58,850 If somebody comes to us and says, hey, we want to do this, and we say, well, we have no regulations to limit that, so no, and they do it anyway. 543 00:51:59,290 --> 00:52:09,010 Because one aspect of our design guidelines that doesn't require a village oversight process were permit is paint. 544 00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:16,610 If somebody decides to paint their building, they're not coming to us for approval to do so. 545 00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:21,470 Right, the trigger is the building permit and we don't wear a building permit for a 546 00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:27,530 repainted building. Right, and so I think to trust the Ruben's point, if there's a concern or 547 00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:33,650 risk that we are at, given the fact that there have been three individuals who have approached us 548 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:40,270 indicated they might be interested in doing something like this. If we are we at some risk if we 549 00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:47,830 don't take some action even if we may be interested down the road in revisiting it but at this point 550 00:52:47,830 --> 00:53:03,530 should we be taking action and making it formal statement. On a temporary basis on more 551 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:09,610 I see, well, it sounds like the no, we should look then, 552 00:53:11,330 --> 00:53:13,530 which I thought of this very thoughtful. 553 00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:19,730 We should look at what villages have, it's musicals have done to say no. 554 00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:24,450 We can always undo the no, but what have they done to say no, 555 00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:24,930 I don't know. 556 00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:26,430 It's a moratorium or if it's a... 557 00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:29,210 But just to be clear on that, if I'm sorry to interrupt. 558 00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:35,690 It's not that they've had American towns in this area have a thoughtful conversation like this 559 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:39,650 and come out and said, all right, we're going to just believe that they have better codes 560 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:46,310 that were written that would allow us to hang our hat on a denied order. 561 00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:51,650 Okay, we should look at having a better code that gives us that right 562 00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:57,290 which we can then subsequently think about more fully when we're ready to think about more fully. 563 00:53:57,290 --> 00:54:07,770 But what I would like to avoid is some kind of mural to catastrophe, but we're all sorry, but I had, you know. 564 00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:14,170 I'd like to add, I'd be in favor, I'd be against this no concept. 565 00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:24,970 I would be totally in favor of allowing the murals, but having the right to limiting the time. 566 00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:32,650 So, the first four weeks or some time period is fair game, but in order to remain further, 567 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:34,350 it requires board approval. 568 00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:42,630 It seems like that's, to me anyways, yeah, we may run the risk of something that's offensive 569 00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:47,530 to some, but you also eliminate the risk of something that's really beautiful and fantastic. 570 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:53,570 And I think it's worth it because I generally have the faith that somebody's going to invest 571 00:54:53,570 --> 00:55:01,910 in a mural is going to be intended for with a positive intent and so I think if we give 572 00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:10,550 ourselves the right to limit the time duration initially and if it's a disaster for four 573 00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:19,170 weeks we'll get through it but to go along with in some time frame would require us to 574 00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:24,450 grant that. And you could, you know, if it's wonderful, whatever, whatever, six 575 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:28,570 of some time frame, maybe six months, it's on the consent agenda, and we agree 576 00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:32,670 or not, or whatever. I don't think there's going to be hundreds of these things 577 00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:37,910 to manage. I mean, how many murals could we possibly have in Glencoe that 578 00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:41,710 will have to manage and think through? It doesn't seem overwhelming to me. 579 00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:46,760 Oh, sorry. 580 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000 I also want to say, I'm in favor of an archival, so it sounds like a great idea 581 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:57,960 period, like regardless, and I would like to suggest that we consider creating an art council 582 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,680 with a scope to be defined, you know, public private, whatever it would work it out. 583 00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:07,740 But that to me sounds like not a bad idea, and perhaps we could get some form of art beyond 584 00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:14,040 mural or otherwise, if we were to initiate that and encourage it. 585 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:54,420 So thank you, this has been helpful. We haven't solved it. I think we have a lot of 586 00:56:54,420 --> 00:57:06,020 couple of points. I think regulating murals, let alone signs. Clearly is complicated, 587 00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:07,420 brought with difficulty. 588 00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:16,780 The answer might be what murals. I'm not sure I know enough 589 00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:23,100 that if we allowed a mural for a certain time and then all of a sudden we had to do something. 590 00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:27,720 I don't know how we would do the regulations that said, take it down or we want to prove 591 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400 that I think that sounds to me, fraud. 592 00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:36,120 I think it could be an answer which two of our trustees suggested this timing. 593 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:43,260 But I just think, protectively, for now, we should have the, 594 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:51,340 you know, we don't have to 595 00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:59,340 to say, you know, and if we need to adjust our code to give us the ammo, that seems to be the first thing we need to do. 596 00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:22,720 I think the staff can come back with both potential moratorium and the study necessary to revise the ordinance to allow us to make a 597 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:28,920 So we'd say no, which I don't know if that's a moratorium or what that is, but I would like us to be able to look at that. 598 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,940 And then we should look at this, I mean, we can all imagine murals that we want. 599 00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:36,360 I just immediately come to the murals that we don't. 600 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,120 One other would be, I mean, if it's paint. 601 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:41,920 What's a mural? 602 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,340 I mean, you put up stripes. 603 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:46,980 Is that a mural? 604 00:58:49,180 --> 00:59:01,400 So I think our bright colors, I mean, you know, if we're regulating this, what where does the line, where's the line? 605 00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:07,460 So I think it's just coming up with what actually is a mural. 606 00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:16,480 To me time, the period of time where it can be put up, so it gives us some ability to have 607 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,360 it taken down if necessary. 608 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,180 I mean, I like murals for so. 609 00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:25,280 That's the real shape of the design. 610 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:38,040 We have to say no to everybody because we're concerned about some one, but it's something 611 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,180 up that we would find. 612 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,080 It's not the community, it's not the community. 613 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,940 Unfortunately, we have a very small business district, you know, and even instead there's 614 00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:49,240 a big town. 615 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:54,960 If they have a mural, they're much built out like they can probably negotiate that city without 616 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,960 I'm looking at it, but it's quite cold, if it's up it's it can't. 617 01:00:01,230 --> 01:00:28,570 Okay. I think we have covered it, and I think we have marching orders that we sort of have agree on. That's great. Thank you, we thank you, Taylor. The next item on the agenda is an update on electric aggregation programs and assistance to the Village Manager Jordan Lester. You could make a brief presentation on that. 618 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:38,320 Thank you President Rowan and good evening trustees. Nice to see you in person. So as noted in this evening's agenda packet 619 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:46,060 Tonight we are requesting the boards feedback on the villages potential acceptance of a proposed power supply agreement 620 01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:50,280 So as an update to the report that we provided you back in March, 621 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,400 in your committee of the home meeting, the North Shore electric aggregation consortium known 622 01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:01,860 in the consortium, received one response to its request for proposals from MSC squared energy 623 01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:07,940 services. Now some trustees they recognize this name, the village first entered into electric 624 01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:15,000 aggregation 1.0 with MSC squared back in 2012 and subsequently has entered into programs for 625 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,920 with the same organization. 626 01:01:18,860 --> 01:01:21,620 So for consideration this evening in Board Feedback, 627 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:26,100 MC Square is currently proposing a 36-month or three-year program. 628 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,420 Cost savings is part of this program would be 629 01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:32,840 remitted back to the village and form of a grant, 630 01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,880 unlike in the aggregation 1.0 program where any savings would be given 631 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,720 back to our residents and small commercial customers that are eligible. 632 01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:45,540 So, as mentioned, more in the packet, we do have some concerns about this. 633 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,160 The first concern is unlike the aggregation 1.0 program where it was an opt-in. 634 01:01:51,420 --> 01:01:56,140 Individuals who are interested in eligible would choose to opt-in. This is opt-out. 635 01:01:56,420 --> 01:02:02,220 This means that everyone in the community who is eligible for this program would be automatically opt-in in. 636 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,400 And if they weren't interested, they would have to opt-out themselves. 637 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:13,000 So for their complicate matters, MCS4 is proposing a 21-day opt-up period only, although 638 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:20,060 the consortium is hoping to implement a very conductive comprehensive education program, there 639 01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:22,500 be 21 days otherwise you are in the program. 640 01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:29,460 Second, we are a bit concerned about the communities' receptiveness to the program because 641 01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:34,240 it is opt-out and because of the limited time frame for doing so. 642 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:40,100 Last but not least, we do have concerns about the grant funding kickback each year, although 643 01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:44,580 there is the possibility for the village to realize some cost savings each year, the 644 01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:49,640 amount that had been estimated has been decreased by half from March to June from approximately 645 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,140 $80,000 a year to $40,000. 646 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:59,220 So we are concerned about if the market changes, if that may decrease and then putting it all 647 01:02:59,220 --> 01:03:01,600 together, what have we asked our residents to do? 648 01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:07,260 However, if the board were to ask us to move forward, we would be happy to prepare documents 649 01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:12,300 for your consideration for the August Village Board meeting, including a power supply agreement 650 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:14,140 and an adaptive resolution. 651 01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:18,560 So, at this time, I welcome any questions you might have and would like your feedback. 652 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:29,120 It's our first meeting, so we haven't talked about it, but I am very, very uncomfortable with the 653 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:34,100 the idea of some opt-out thing where we wrote for a residency to something of us, they act fast. 654 01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:39,500 I just think, I can't imagine what we would want to do that, and I don't want to do it now. 655 01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:44,200 And if anybody else feels different, we wish to pick up, but I... 656 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,760 I want to be different this 21 days, maybe? 657 01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:49,760 How fast? 658 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:50,500 Yes. 659 01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:52,420 So how that would work? 660 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,700 And let me flip to this real quick. 661 01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:59,500 So MC squared would send each eligible residential customer 662 01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,660 and small business, a letter that says, 663 01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:05,620 you will be automatically enrolled unless you opt out. 664 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,560 They have to call a toll-free toll-free number 665 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:09,840 or go to a website. 666 01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:13,140 And there is a lot of fine print. 667 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,800 However, as I mentioned, 668 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,080 at the beginning of my presentation, 669 01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:19,860 the consortium wants to do a comprehensive education program. 670 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,260 So the first time they would be hearing it, 671 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,340 would ideally not be when it was in their mailboxes, 672 01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:26,180 but yes, 21 days to off count. 673 01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:38,260 I just assume there's soliciting me 674 01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:41,180 for something to change something that I don't want to change. 675 01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:44,320 It does not even get pulled back. 676 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:44,980 That's incredible. 677 01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:50,980 I think it's not that program, especially the 21 days to count. 678 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,580 And I will say trustee Ruben, thank you for that feedback. 679 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,400 Other communities in the consortium 680 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,140 that are interested in moving forward 681 01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:59,780 are doing so quite rapidly. 682 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,020 There has not been much discussion at this point 683 01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:06,100 to what that education campaign might be, 684 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,380 but we do know that'll be very quick 685 01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:10,920 from the time a municipality would enter 686 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,860 to when they'd be receiving those letters. 687 01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:15,300 I think we know that there 688 01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:19,420 would be also vulnerable 689 01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:22,420 to ways of doing that, and that people still don't know. 690 01:05:23,620 --> 01:05:25,180 So I think we'll do a little bit of a little bit of a little bit 691 01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:26,280 of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. 692 01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:35,330 Sure, now there are benefits beyond the savings. 693 01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:44,430 So, the main premise of this is the savings, unlike the aggregation 1.0 program or be going back to the residents at the village. 694 01:05:45,010 --> 01:05:55,030 So, if the board were to, they could be used for any type of purpose, say, a sustainability-minded project that would benefit the whole community, but it is mostly savings, 695 01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:57,510 for the municipal kickback and form of a grant. 696 01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:04,460 Sure, one second. 697 01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:21,020 So, the consortium works with a consultant who is a lot more well-versed than I can, but from what are you heard from that individual that is based on capacity costs in the market. 698 01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:33,460 So, there is a significant reduction in capacity costs which impacted, reduced by half, the estimated civic contribution that we would have from $80,000 a year to $40,000. 699 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:40,020 So I don't know the exact technical specifics, but I could report back to you with more information. 700 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:19,500 So, the consultant that I mentioned, we get a report from ComEd of all of their electricity 701 01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:25,320 customers, residential, and small business, and this consultant uses a calculation and then 702 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,480 in partnership with the proposed Alternative Service Provider MC squared. 703 01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:34,200 Has a calculation on the percentage of residences and small businesses. 704 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,920 That would be served at a lower cost than ComEd, and that's where that savings comes in. 705 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:44,700 So, this is a probability as well as how many may be opting out versus remaining in. 706 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,940 So, it's certainly not a guarantee to write it maybe more, but this is their best educated 707 01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:50,040 gas at this time. 708 01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:00,420 No. 709 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:02,220 So, that's a good question, trusty Rubin. 710 01:08:02,260 --> 01:08:06,740 So, the goal is that you would not be charged higher than Comed. 711 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,920 I'm sorry, would you say goal that's, I mean, that's, forgive me. 712 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,000 Forgive me. 713 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,200 I hope they have that happen. 714 01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:13,160 Is it? 715 01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:18,860 It's part of the agreement, yes, it's guaranteed that you the customer would not be charged more in good clarification. 716 01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:20,760 It wouldn't be like Texas. 717 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,160 I sure would help not, but I can't pretend to. 718 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:32,200 It's part of the fear, yes, you know, you know, this looks great and then you're going to build for $50,000 and it isn't so good. 719 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:41,660 I like that I'm very uncomfortable with making our president sign up for something like this. 720 01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:50,060 If it'll just be a surprise, you know, you know what it'd be a surprise. 721 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:56,560 Everybody want to proceed with this as it looks, and I understand the other chose to be a good point. 722 01:08:59,130 --> 01:09:07,170 I would just add Jordan talking around it a little bit, because she's cautious to not drive down a certain path, 723 01:09:07,830 --> 01:09:10,850 but staff has a hard time recommending moving forward with this. 724 01:09:10,850 --> 01:09:20,670 think we've struggled a bit with the value of this effort up against what we knew what we had done early on with the electricity aggregation consortium. 725 01:09:22,790 --> 01:09:29,870 I was one of the people responsible for creating that back in 2010. It made a lot of sense back then. 726 01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:33,930 this is less of a sense-making move. 727 01:09:34,710 --> 01:09:36,990 I think there are some benefits, 728 01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:40,870 but I think they're outweighed by the difficulty 729 01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:42,910 and communication and the difficulty 730 01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:44,830 and the potential risk for the residents. 731 01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:49,890 So I just don't think that staff has a strong recommendation 732 01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:51,730 for you on a moving forward basis. 733 01:09:52,190 --> 01:09:55,430 The last thing you'll say, in kind of to piggyback 734 01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:57,390 on Manager Crowley, so the board may recall 735 01:09:57,390 --> 01:09:59,410 but we have time is hard. 736 01:09:59,410 --> 01:10:03,890 So, some time ago, within the last year, we approached the board with a community solar program, 737 01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:09,930 where residents, and eligible small businesses would directly receive reductions on their 738 01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:14,870 bill each month as participation as program, despite the messaging that we had each home should 739 01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:19,890 have gotten a postcard, and we've had, I believe, less than 50 households total sign up for that. 740 01:10:20,150 --> 01:10:24,770 And so, again, it's not a direct comparison, but it does speak to some of the challenges that 741 01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:29,110 we have, especially for a program in which they would directly receive financial benefits. 742 01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:48,760 business today, one on the board wants to discuss before we adjourn and maybe you'll be 743 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,420 heroically we could do our executive session between meetings. 744 01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:53,920 We'll be as part of this meeting. 745 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:54,760 We'll be part of this meeting. 746 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,120 Oh, okay. 747 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,000 It's part of this meeting. 748 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:56,520 We'll go in there. 749 01:10:56,540 --> 01:10:58,440 We'd like to go downstairs for that. 750 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,420 So we have about 15 minutes. 751 01:11:00,940 --> 01:11:00,980 All right. 752 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,840 Anybody have anything else they want to raise? 753 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:09,480 If not, yes, they're a motion to move into a closed session for sure to be open 754 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,160 meetings act to do employment matters. 755 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,280 So moved. Second. Okay, what's our rope rule for? 756 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,800 Trusty Hallwack. Yes. Trusty listener. Trusty Mulvaney. Yes. Trusty 757 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,260 Andre Donk. Trusty Ruben. Trusty free. Yes. Okay, we will head down stairs to the 758 01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:28,760 conference room. Thank you, everybody.