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This timeline provides an overview of the work undertaken over more than five decades to understand the library's condition, complete improvements, pursue outside funding, and consider its future. It shows that the issues are longstanding, and that the city is repeatedly responded as information and resources have become available. In 1983, a slab in water proofing study

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documented plaza deck cracking and water intrusion, and recommended removing and replacing the slab and water proofing system.

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Five years later, and concerns about structural loading.

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The same general area of concern examined in greater detail in later MHP evaluations.

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By 1990, the city had pursued Proposition 85 funding for repairs, renovation, and expansion.

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that application was unsuccessful and and the group that grant program is no longer available.

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In 2003 and 2004 the city volunteered to voluntarily strengthen portions of the building

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including its walls and columns those are visible downstairs and resurface the bid well plus.

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Those improvements addressed identified conditions at the time but cracking and water intrusion

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later returned. In 2021, the city's desire to install a shade structure over the Bidwell

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Plaza prompted a preliminary structural review. Visible cracking and evidence of water intrusion

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raised questions about the plaza's ability to support the proposed improvement and led to a

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broader examination of the building. In 2022, the CDA facility condition assessment also aimed

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to determine if a shade structure over the bid well plaza was possible. It documented

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cracking beyond typical allowable limits and confirmed ongoing water intrusion. It recommended

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a comprehensive structural evaluation of the building. In 2023, MHP completed its phase

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1 and phase 2 work. The structural analysis produced an estimated repair cost of approximately

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approximately $2.87 million, not including any soft costs, while the accompanying visioning

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process included seven workshops and explored how a modernized library of approximately

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50,000 square feet could function on the Civic Center site.

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Also in 2023, the city applied for an $8 million grant through the state's Building Forward

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Program to help fund critical repairs and building system improvements.

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The application was competitive but was not selected because of the program's criteria

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play significant emphasis on disadvantaged communities.

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The 2023-2024 Bureau of Veritas Facility Condition Assessment separately identified approximately $7 million

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in building system and component needs over a 20-year period assuming a 3% annual inflation.

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I should also note that the MHP Phase II report includes an in-depth evaluation of all building systems as well.

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Finally, in 2026, MHP updated its report and found that the targeted structural strengthening and plaza waterproofing recommended previously remain necessary and updated the estimated construction cost to approximately $3.2 million.

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dollars. That also does not include any soft cost or any additional EOC strengthening.

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Taken together, the timeline reflects continued assessment,

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investment on the city's part, pursuit of grant opportunities and public

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visioning, not inaction.

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These photographs show examples of the city's prior structural work,

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including reinforcement at the rear wall and at the columns. They're important because they

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demonstrate that the city has invested in the building over time. They also show why the

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current discussion is about the remaining system-wide needs not acclaim that nothing has ever been

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done.

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The Plaza was resurfaced as part of the work conducted in 2003 and 2004. That improved

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the surface condition, but it did not provide a permanent solution to all of the underlying waterproofing

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and structural issues. With the Plaza serving as the roof over occupied space below, a durable solution

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needs to coordinate concrete repairs, drainage, and water proofing rather than treating each

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item in isolation.

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These images help translate the reports into visible conditions,

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staining and leakage below deterioration at the plaza surface and water returning at some previously

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repaired areas. This will be evident in a couple more slides after this one. The concern is not simply

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about appearance. Continued water entry can enlarge cracks and over time damage concrete and

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reinforcing steel which has occurred since the 2004 repairs. That is why the

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2026 MHP report recommends addressing both the waterproofing in the near term

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coordinated with the structural repair work.

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The most recent examination of the

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library began with a potential public space improvement to reiterate the city

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wanted to add a shade structure over the bidwell plaza to make the plaza more

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comfortable and usable because the plaza is also the roof over occupied library

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space, adding a structure required confirmation that the deck could safely support the additional load.

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The preliminary review identified visible cracking and evidence of water intrusion,

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which led the city to broaden the inquiry rather than proceed with the shade structure and isolation.

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The 2022 CDA facility assessment and documented cracking that exceeded typical allowable limits

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in several locations and recommended a comprehensive structural review.

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That recommendation led to the detailed MHP engineering work completed first in 2023 and updated earlier this year.

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This drawing maps observations from the March 2022 visual survey on the library floor plan.

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This is a field observation record. It's not a comprehensive inventory of every crack at leak.

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The legend explains that the color coded annotations reflect certain issues.

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pink identifies areas that could not be accessed or were in use, gray identifies areas where no issue was noted, yellow identifies slab cracking, orange identifies beam cracking, and white identifies locations where both beam and slab cracking were observed, green marks areas that had previously received epoxy injection repairs,

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the teal or cyan color identifies new or existing cracks where active leakage or water

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staining was observed. When those colors reviewed across the plan they show that cracking earlier

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repairs and evidence of water intrusion were not confined to one isolated location. They were

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observed in multiple portions of the building including some previously repaired areas supporting

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the recommendation for building wide engineering evaluation.

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The updated MHP work organizes the

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findings into four important areas. First, under current loading, cracking in the main memes and

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girders appears stable and does not present the immediate concern. However, recurring water intrusion

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should be addressed in the near term so continued moisture does not cause further deterioration of

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the concrete or the reinforcing steel. Second, the seismic analysis found that the main structural system

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generally meets the higher standard applied for an essential facility. The principal exception is the

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bidwell forum area for receded tonight where MHP recommends anchoring the walls, wrapping supporting

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beams with fiber reinforced material and adding new shear walls. Third, four central pier foundations

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should be enlarged by adding approximately one foot of concrete around their full perimeter.

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This work would allow those supports to carry the 100 pound per square foot live load used in the essential facility evaluation.

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Fourth, if the library remains the city's emergency operation center, the non-structural systems also matter.

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Mechanical, electrical, plumbing, information technology, ceilings and similar components require additional review and anchorage.

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That work is not included in the current repair scope, but is estimated between $200 and $400,000.

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The updated $3.2 million figure assumes a start date of work in September of 2027

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and covers the defined structural strengthening and bid-a-well plaza waterproofing construction.

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It excludes design and other soft costs, broader modernization, comprehensive waterproofing beyond the defined scope,

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interior improvements and EOC-related non-structural work.

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This plan shows the first major element of MHP's recommended work, enlargement of the

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4-central peer pad footings beneath the library.

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The four highlighted locations sit in the central portion of the building, MHP recommends adding

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approximately one foot of concrete around the full perimeter of each footing so the peers

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can support the 100-pound per square foot live load associated with essential facility

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standards. The drawing is conceptual and would need to be refined through final design,

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but it helps show that the foundation work is targeted to four specific supports rather than

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requiring wholesale replacement of the building's foundation system.

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This plaza level framing plan

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illustrates the recommended strengthening near the bid well forum. The darker lines identify existing

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concrete masonry share walls that support the high roofs. Where those walls are discontinuous,

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MHP recommends fiber reinforced polymer wrapping around the supporting floor beams.

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This adds strength to the existing concrete without replacing the entire beam.

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The plan also identifies a new concrete shear wall aligned with the wall below.

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Together, the wall and beam improvements create a more continuous path for seismic forces

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through this portion of the structure.

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As with the prior slide, this is a conceptual repair diagram.

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Those precise dimensions, connections, and construction sequencing would have to be developed

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during a final engineering phase.

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The final conceptual diagram focuses on the high roof framing above the bid well forum

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with similar strengthening anticipated at the north high roof.

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The proposed work includes a new shear wall and collector beam to gather and transfer seismic

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forces into the supporting structure. Continuous cross ties and hold downs would connect the roof

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framing across the building. Additional blocking, tie rods and hold downs would secure the framing

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to the walls and connect adjacent framing bays. In plain terms, these improvements would tie the

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roof walls and supporting structure together so they respond more reliably during an earthquake.

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These roof framing measures are part of the targeted bit of well-formed strengthening described in

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the update and are separate from the plaza waterproofing work that must also be coordinated

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with the structural repairs.

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I'm halfway done.

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Structural work is only part of the library's needs.

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The 2023 mechanical electrical and plumbing review found major systems that are original

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to the building, obsolete, at capacity, or well beyond their expected service life.

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The two original air handlers are approximately 53 years old.

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The electrical switchboard and panels date to 1970 and have little or no spare capacity.

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The existing water and sanitary systems also limit expansion.

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The facility condition assessment, as I mentioned, identified nearly $7 million in building

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system and component needs over the next 20 years using a 3% annual inflation figure.

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That figure is a planning forecast across many systems.

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It should not simply be added to another estimate without aligning the scope timing and

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escalation assumptions.

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The figures on the screen were prepared in 2023 and are conceptual hard construction estimates

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and generally exclude design, permitting, inspection, relocation, or other soft costs.

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They're useful for comparing scale, but they're not current construction bids.

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These options illustrate different policy choices.

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The repair option addresses defined structural and water proofing needs.

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The expansion concepts add space and reconfigure the existing campus.

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A new building represents a substantially different long-term solution.

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The current structural construction estimate has since been updated to $3.2 million.

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Staff recommends carrying a larger overall project allowance roughly between $4.5 million to

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to recognize the design and other project costs subject to refinement.

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The deck and Paseo concepts were developed through the 2023 MHP and FIFER visioning process,

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which included seven public workshops and explored how modernized library of approximately

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50,000 square feet could be fit within the existing Civic Center.

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Option one on the left screen builds more of the new program above and around the existing

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library using connected roof decks and a new stair and elevator element. This concept sought to

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maximize connections across the upper level outdoor spaces while adding modern library space

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with a comparatively compact ground level footprint. Its 2023 conceptual construction estimate was

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approximately $20.6 million. Option two on the right of the screen places more of the addition

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along a plaza edge and creates a pedestrian passage or peseo between building areas.

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Public feedback led to the design team to reduce its visual impact by setting portions back

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from the sidewalk and stepping back the second floor, while maintaining connections between

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roof decks. Its 2023 conceptual construction estimate was approximately $23 million.

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These images are massing and general space use studies. It's not a final architectural design.

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The estimates are conceptual, hard construction costs used to compare scale, and generally

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do not include any of the soft cost I-

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I mentioned previously. If the city council directs further study, the program site constraints, phasing, and cost would all need to be updated and refined.

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Any project requiring a lengthy closure of the library creates a secondary issue. How do we continue serving the community during construction? A least facility of at least 7,000 square feet provides the most complete continuity of services, including study, programming, and staff functions. Portable and

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And mobile service combinations can maintain core borrowing and information services but

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with less public space and limited programming.

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This year one estimates, these one year estimates range, library's current annual operating

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budget of about 2.95 million.

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Much of the differences start up costs including relocation, temporary facilities or vehicles,

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technology and storage.

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These are preliminary service models.

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A detailed relocation plan would return to the City Council at a future date if a project

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requiring closure advances. As a reminder, these costs would be in addition to any of

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the construction costs I've mentioned previously.

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The library's original financing illustrates

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why today's funding discussion is so different. Before the current library was developed,

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a 1955 library bond failed by a vote of approximately 68% to 32%. And state and federal grant

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request were unsuccessful. The city and school district later formed a joint powers authority

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and issued approximately $950,000 in released revenue bonds which did not require voter approval.

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The financing worked for the city because the city transferred five other services to Los Angeles

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County but retained the local property tax capacity that had previously paid for those services.

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That capacity was then available to make the annual lease payments.

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Proposition 13 changed that framework in 1978 by limiting local property tax rates and

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ending the city's ability to create or retain payment capacity in the same manner.

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The city can no longer transfer a service and redirect its former property tax rate

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to a new capital project.

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Point Powers' authorities and least revenue bonds remain legal financing tools, but they

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only provide borrowed capital.

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They do not create the revenue needed to repay the debt.

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Today, a significant new revenue source generally requires voter approval under Propositions 13 to 18 and 26, or the city must identify an existing revenue stream that can support those payments.

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The city has pursued outside funding for the library for decades.

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Earlier state and federal efforts were unsuccessful or involved programs that no longer exist.

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In 2023, the city requested $8 million through the state's building forward program for

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structural waterproofing, mechanical, electrical, and plumbing work.

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The application was competitive, but was not selected in a program that prioritized disadvantaged

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communities.

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That figure, again, was based on estimates that were identified by the 2023 MHP report.

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Staff is currently working with Senator Perez on a potential fiscal year 2026-2027 state

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budget allocation.

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Initial discussions have centered on approximately $10 million, generally reflecting an updated version

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of that critical maintenance scope.

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All of these actions are in line with previous direction provided by the City Council to pursue

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all available funding opportunities.

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The City Council direction will help staff finalize that request.

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An appropriation is not guaranteed, I want to be clear about that, and pursuing it doesn't

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prevent us from seeking other state, county, or federal funding opportunities.

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Moving on to the second facility and tonight's presentation, the Corporate Yard, the operating

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base for public works at a facility whose limitations affect how efficiently we can provide

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and maintain our streets, park, trees, vehicles, and public buildings.

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The Corporate Yard was built around 1965, but that effort to establish it began years earlier.

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In 1960, the City Council identified relocation and construction of a new corporation yard as a priority project,

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recognizing the need for a permanent operational base.

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From 1961 through 1963, the City evaluated several locations, including the San Jose Reservoir area,

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improvements at the earlier Sierra Madre and Lorraine site, and the property next to the Santa Fe Railroad.

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The process included engineering studies, property negotiations, planning commission

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and city council hearings, and substantial public testimony about the location, its

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access, screening, landscaping, and neighborhood impacts.

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The city council approved the railroad adjacent site in 1963, architects subsequently prepared

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a two phase plan and construction bids were received in 1964.

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4. The current yard subsequently opened at approximately this location and was expanded

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through a small adjoining property purchase in 1966. The city revisited major expansion

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again in the 1980s. By 1988 the proposed program had grown to more than 32,000 square feet

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of buildings plus covered vehicle storage and fueling facilities. 1989 concept carried an

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estimated cost of $3.2 million contemplated phase construction, but it did not advance

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to completion.

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That history shows that the need for a functional, adequately-sized corporate yard is long-standing,

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although most residents do not visit this particular facility.

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It is the operational hub for staff, vehicles, equipment, materials, daily maintenance, and

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emergency response throughout Clandora.

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The existing site houses the facilities, streets, and fleet divisions, and buildings and

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work areas developed for a much smaller and less complex operation.

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The challenge is not only the age of these buildings.

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The site must also accommodate vehicle movement, repairs, storage, materials, utilities, employee

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needs, and safe staging within this particular area.

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The photograph show a facility that has been adapted over six decades.

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staff has continued to maintain and repair it, but the original layout limits

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circulation, storage and work areas, parking, employee facilities, and coordination

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amongst operations. The site itself is approximately 2.8 acres, and not all of

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the land is really available for redevelopment. Existing encompasses, including

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the flood control channel, utility easements, including a metropolitan water

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district infrastructure, limit where buildings, circulation routes, and other

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improvements can be placed on the site. The images also show aging finishes and employee spaces

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heavily used coverage storage, a deteriorated roof and fascia condition, and a site that must

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accommodate a wide range of vehicles and activities within a constrained footprint. Many of these

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conditions cannot be solved through isolated roof pavement or interior repairs. The physical layout,

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aging infrastructure, easements, and operational demands must be considered together with any redevelopment

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plan. The site currently contains about 8,270 square feet of building area. The city-wide

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facility assessment identified approximately 2.12 million dollars in deferred maintenance,

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including roofing exterior pavement and building system needs. In addition to all that is housed

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there, the yard supports fleet streets, facilities maintenance, material and equipment storage,

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and emergency responses. Our plan, moving forward, is to incorporate the

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park's landscape maintenance and urban forestry divisions that's be

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consolidated at this location as part of the city's broader facility

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strategy. Centralization reduces travel between sites and improves coordination

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and equipment sharing and places more of the city's field operations where they

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can actually work together.

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The 2.12 million deferred maintenance figure

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your describes repairs to existing assets.

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It does not solve the larger operational challenges.

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Independent planning work found in adequate offices,

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training and employee space, including restrooms,

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storage, staging, circulation, and aging utilities.

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Renovation would spend significant money

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while leaving many of those constraints in place.

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IDS therefore concluded that demolition and reconstruction

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would be more practical and cost effective over the long term

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and trying to modernize the existing arrangement.

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The proposed plan replaces approximately 82 or 8300 square feet

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with about 18,310 square feet across four purpose-built facilities.

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The largest change is the office building,

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which would bring facilities, streets, parks, trees,

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and landscape staff together and preserve space

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for a future traffic management center or alternate EOC function.

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The remaining building support the fleet repair, sign, tire storage, wood and metal shop

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work.

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This is operational space tied directly to maintaining the city's assets.

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The preliminary estimate identified in 2024 was $12.6 million.

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The current phase estimate is approximately $13.6 million, reflecting sequencing, temporary

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operations, utility transitions, and escalation costs.

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Design and construction documents have continued to advance since the Kent City Council approved the IDS agreement in November of 24.

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The comparison that you see on the screen is not simply about old buildings versus new buildings.

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It's an inefficient layout built for 1960s operations compared with a coordinated campus designed for current service levels, regulatory requirements, and future flexibility.

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The proposed project is not intended to create new municipal services.

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It replaces obsolete facilities so that existing services can be delivered more safely and

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efficiently for the future.

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Public works cannot shut down while it's operating bases being rebuilt.

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Facing plan is designed to keep crews, vehicles, materials, and emergency response functions

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available throughout construction.

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The first work occurs in the northwest of the built Big Dalton Wash and build site improvement

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infrastructure and storage. The new administration building and major utilities then create room

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for operations to transition before the remaining buildings are demolished and replaced.

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Facing adds roughly a million dollars because the contractor must mobilize and sequence work multiple

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times and because temporary operations and utility connections are going to be required. It also

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exposes later phases to added escalation. The trade-off is that this additional cost protects

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tax continuity of essential city services and may allow funding to be spread over several

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years.

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Technical record establishes the need, the remaining questions are policy related,

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what outcomes should the city pursue, and what sequence, and what funding strategy is realistic.

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Either project can't be absorbed in its entirety through the city's ongoing maintenance budget.

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Even phased work for one facility would be difficult to accommodate within routine maintenance

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or a typical capital improvement program. Attempting to fund phase improvements for

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both facilities at the same time would be even less practical.

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The library's approximately $3.2 million estimate covers only defined structural strengthening

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and waterproofing construction and does not modernize the building.

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The corporate yard is currently estimated at $13.6 million and remains subject to escalation

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and market conditions. Breaking work into smaller pieces may make annual

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expenditures appear more manageable but extending construction over a longer period of time can add design,

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mobilization, temporary operation, impacts, escalation and coordination costs.

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It can also delay the point at which the city receives the full operational benefit of the

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improvements. For the library, the city council must also decide the building's long-term role and

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whether it should continue as the emergency operations center.

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For the yard, the decision will reshape how public works operates for the next several

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decades.

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The furl also has some consequences.

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Continued water exposure and aging systems at the library continued inefficiencies at the

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corporate yard, longer implementation timelines, and likely higher costs for both projects.

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The

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2024 survey of 600 likely voters found that 45% initial support for a library-only bond and 53% for a broader facilities bond, both well below the two-thirds threshold approval required for any general obligation bond.

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staff expects that any workable plan will likely combine sources grants or a state appropriation available one-time funds if directed by the City Council

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potential land sale proceeds debt financing capital improvement plan reprioritization phase construction or future revenue measures

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workshop number three will evaluate these tools against the priorities established tonight for the library staff needs direction on which scenarios merit further work

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Defined repairs, broader modernization, expansion, replacement, or a scope that fully supports continued EOC use.

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Repair only should be understood as a project budget of at least approximately four to four and a half million dollar.

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Once costs beyond the $3.2 million construction estimate are considered.

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Staff would refine that allowance through design.

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For the corporate yard, staff is asking whether to continue refining the phased approach,

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and update those costs, recognizing that phasing projects, excuse me, that phasing protects

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operations but adds cost.

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The City Council does not need to select the final financing instrument tonight, but it

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does need to identify the outcomes, staff should price and break back to you in September.

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Receiving the reports and giving direction tonight does not itself appropriate project

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funding or authorized construction. Any future financing plan, design change,

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financing action, or construction award will return to this...

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The city council for separate consideration for the same reason tonight's action is not a project under sequel. The city has studied these facilities thoroughly, made repairs and improvements over time, pursued outside funding and invested millions of dollars in infrastructure and maintenance. Those efforts matter, but they have not eliminated the underlying challenges. The newest reports give us a clear and more current basis for action. The yard's problem is functional obsolescence that repairs alone

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cannot correct. The question is no longer whether needs exist. It is what level of investment the

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community is prepared to pursue, how the project should be prioritized, and how to build a responsible

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funding roadmap for future generations. We have representatives from MHP and IDS available this evening

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to answer any technical questions about the respective evaluations and recommendations if needed.

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that concludes staff's presentation

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and we are available to answer any questions

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or clarify any of the information.

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Thank you, Moissess.

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Catch your breath.

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That's a lot.

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There'll be a quiz

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in 10 minutes if you need to.

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What I want to do is I'll bring it back

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for some comments or questions from the council members

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and then we'll certainly reach out to the community.

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I think it's important to recognize

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that we all would agree. Are we in a great spot? No. Is it anyone's fault here?

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Maybe not. But to beat on this body, or decades of kicking the bull down the road,

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probably isn't going to be a solution tonight. So those folks, our forefathers,

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made the choices they did and we can't defend them or support them particularly.

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so just look at a positive forward and what's next type of opportunity. I hope we could do that.

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So with such, I'll bring it back for comments and I'll let you begin please.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, Moissess, for the fabulous report. I feel like I've been immersed in this for weeks and

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weeks as we've talked about a lot of this stuff.

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And I appreciate the community for being here and those of you who are watching online.

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This is extremely important and I feel like we're at a fork in the road for our city and

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there are some big decisions to be made so I appreciate everybody's involvement in that.

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I want to keep my comments to a minimum right now because it's important to me that the

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community has an opportunity to give your input and let us know kind of what

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you're looking for. I will kind of reiterate what the mayor just said. You know,

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I want to be really cautious about blaming anybody. I think, you know, the

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report has shown that for five decades, the city past councils past staff have

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not just ignored the problem.

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I think there was a concerted effort made to resolve

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some of the issues, like the library specifically

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in terms of leaking and structural issues.

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Unfortunately, it didn't work, it didn't work again,

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and it didn't work again, and here we are.

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So I don't think it's a lack of trying,

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but I do think at some point we have to look at everything

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and say, you know, do we make another stab at the same problem or do we just start a new?

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So that's, you know, part of the bigger picture discussion that I think we need to have.

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But like I said, I think it's important not to get into the blame game

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and just, you know, let's look at what we have in front of us and decide kind of the path that we want to go forward.

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So I think we have a lot of good options and then

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Additionally, I think it's going to be important to figure out how to pay for all of this. That's you know the big elephant in the room

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So I'll pass it along because I do want to hear from the community

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Thank you, Shana

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Karen

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Some mental reaching for the microphone. So I was like oh, yeah, no, thank you

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No, I would agree with everything that's been said so far

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Thank you to everyone that's shown up tonight and those watching online.

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This has been a reoccurring issue of trying to figure out how to fix this building

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in 2021 when we wanted to look at creative ways to fix it and expand by building the shade structure

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that looking at that shade structure is what led us to find out. There were more problems. So we

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We continue to look at that and try to solve some of that and it's obvious that our public

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workshop is just a little old and so no offense to anyone or anything but it is time for

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us to give it a facelift.

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So look forward to hearing what the community has to say to add to all of that and see how

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we can move this forward. Thank you Karen Randall.

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Mayor thank you and I want to say thank you

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to staff and voices you covered a lot of years and a lot of ground and an untold amount of

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chatter back and forth. So thank you you know did a great job and I also want to thank Gary

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and frog and the members of frog that are here. You've heard a lot of this and

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you toured a lot of this and we're only here partly because of the effort that

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you that you made and the year of your life that you gave and the the

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challenges that you were up against and maybe the friends that you that you

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even lost. But thank you for the work that you that you've done. So I came on

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this this council in 2015 and the first three or four years we were trying to

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figure out how to keep our lights on because there was a deficit. Adam has talked

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talked about that. Adam's been here seven, eight years, probably seems like 20 years or so.

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And so we had to take a number of years to turn the ship because we were at a deficit.

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it. We probably didn't know it as well as, as we really became to, you know, see it.

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And but after that, we then begin to talk about this. And as Roy says, as said, we have

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been talking about this for years, and I applaud the council that I'm a part of now, and

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really last year Gary was there, that we were one of the first groups to just say what

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are we going to do, and it's a challenging job, as all of you know.

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So, four months ago or so, when I made a motion that we have these work workshops, that

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was seconded by Michael, yes, Michael.

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Some of you guys think that Michael and I don't like each other.

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And we are honest men, I can tell you that, and we don't agree on everything, but we

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agree on most things.

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And after that was approved by a five-o vote, I got calls and chatter like, what are you

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doing?

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Are you trying to look for a fight?

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do you really think you're gonna solve this? Are you trying to split us? And to each

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of those I said no. I really feel that we have a city that can sit down and be

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civil and rational and transparent. I remember a coffee that I had with

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Mr. Barron and he hammered that point home and I think I said like you've got my word we're

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going to be transparent and everything and if this is not a transparent expression of city

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welcoming every one of us here I you know don't know what it is I would hope that we could put

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swords down and put our hearts and our hands and our heads to try to solve some of the

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big audacious goals and problems that our city has. We can do that. We can do it better

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without beating each other up. And Workshop 2 is a heavy one. We got two big, big things

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And I want to say thank you to each one of you for taking your night to be here.

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As you've heard, we have talked about this. We've had study sessions, we've had workshops.

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Staff has continued to work hard. And I really am a man full of hope thinking that we can get this done.

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Is it going to be done just overnight? No, but I really do think that there's energy. There's

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data, there's facts that we can agree on. At least I hope that you can.

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And there's a sense of willingness on a large number of people's minds and hearts to come

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and give this problem fixed and so thank you for you know being here thank you

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for allowing us to hear what's in your mind and in your heart we we are only

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here because you've asked us to be here we don't claim to be the smartest

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people here but we want to hear what you are saying and that can be done in a

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civil way without the bantering and the attacks that have happened for many, many months.

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So thank you for, you know, doing that.

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And again, staff, thank you for giving a thorough, factual, honest assessment of everything

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that we have looked at.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mendel.

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I'm going to take a departure and go a little out of order and make sense in a moment

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I promise you. I'm going to go next. I had a couple of questions regarding the library water intrusion

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issue. Well, there's been many different attempts and band-aids and glue and battle and things

438
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:16,540
like that.

439
00:57:18,730 --> 00:57:26,610
In my count, there's only been one serious redo of the deck area to try to cover the

440
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:28,430
of mass of it? Is that accurate?

441
00:57:29,850 --> 00:57:34,910
Sure. Good evening, everyone, and Mayor, thanks for the question. So the historical record

442
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:39,570
that we've had showed there have been other more significant efforts to repair, especially

443
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:43,950
with cracking shortly after the opening in the 70s, and there was evidence in some of the

444
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:50,530
pictures from the rehab that staff had done other things. Post 2003 and 2004, there were also

445
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:56,110
several efforts to coat or resurface the plaza in an effort to put some water coating.

446
00:57:57,190 --> 00:58:03,210
And all the instances, based on what we can see largely from library board meeting notes

447
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:10,070
that there was water intrusion in the winter of post work being done.

448
00:58:12,610 --> 00:58:18,290
The total in your packet this evening there is a list of what we could find publicly, but

449
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:35,110
that we do know from talking with employees that have been here previously, as well as inferences in meeting minutes that more significant work had been done over the years like the epoxy if you saw, but we can't see, but we don't have a complete historical record.

450
00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:35,670
That's accurate.

451
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:50,530
Great. Great. Thank you. So if we were to go out and put an X on the ground and saying the leak is here, that's not possible because nobody's found it specifically. That's correct. That's correct.

452
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:52,690
Okay. That's. Thank you.

453
00:58:58,130 --> 00:59:01,050
15 to the corporate yard is an opportunity.

454
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:08,280
The recommendation, I had a question coming in, but I think the recommendation is that

455
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:16,060
trying to reuse or repurpose, refurbish a couple of the buildings to smaller sites while

456
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:19,380
possible is not really a great direction, is that correct?

457
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:20,260
Okay.

458
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:26,900
So even if we were to update them and refurbish in the things, the end result may not be the

459
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:27,500
total result.

460
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:34,560
okay very good. Some of the if you remember yeah this one's all old enough for the

461
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:40,360
member of the 1971 earthquake. After that the highways folks went and put

462
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:46,180
steel wraps around all the concrete bridge girders to try to hold. So if they

463
00:59:46,180 --> 00:59:51,820
did do something silly they'd land on the on the steel wrap. Might that be an

464
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:54,980
option and some in our 4-steel car-

465
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,640
Allums and footings, an alternative to extra concrete and around it. It seems to work on the outside world, but maybe it's an inside option. That is definitely an option. In fact, the work done in 2003 and 2004 did that exactly in the pillars downstairs. If you actually, you can actually see the original width of the pillars plus the extension of the fiber reinforcement that occurred at that time. So it's about two inches.

466
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,280
is it's actually very visible once your downstairs.

467
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,260
All right, great.

468
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,300
Thank you.

469
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:37,140
Those are all the questions I have at this point.

470
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,120
And I'm going to invite Mr. Allerost to speak.

471
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:43,520
And I think he has extra peace to add to it.

472
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:49,380
So Michael, what I didn't say, and probably this is not

473
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:50,120
the work, no.

474
01:00:52,420 --> 01:00:56,280
But Michael and I have spent probably three or four hours

475
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:04,900
going through all of the dollars and cents, because you have asked us, where's all the money going?

476
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:13,540
And then Michael and I spent four hours with these two guys. And yes, Michael and I did

477
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:27,180
did that. And it was good and insightful and honest. And we'll save our outcome until

478
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,860
a couple of months from now when we have our third workshop. But I just want you to know

479
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:38,220
that there's been a lot of work on all of our parts to try to lean in and fix this.

480
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:38,960
My

481
01:01:42,740 --> 01:01:47,300
hat's off to you, Moissess. You did two and a half decades and less than an hour.

482
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,620
That's pretty amazing and we didn't fall asleep.

483
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:55,220
This has been an ongoing issue for obviously for all of us.

484
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:03,160
And I leaned into this greatly in January when this really came to the forefront with the frog committee's work and our discussions

485
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,520
of what we wanted to do moving forward to fix these issues.

486
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:14,540
and I had put together a small group of talented people that, because we're not experts up here,

487
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,480
we have to rely on staff, we have to rely on outside folks, but we still have to do our due diligence

488
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:26,680
as council members. And so I have former City Manager, a former library director, engineers

489
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,740
that worked on this with hand calculations for engineering, the old fashioned way.

490
01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:37,880
we have people who maintain this contractors and so on and so forth to get a

491
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,260
really understanding of what we're really dealing with here and you know we

492
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:46,540
can read all the information that they've been able to get out and they took

493
01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:49,940
out a storage and they've been digitizing all this and going through blueprints

494
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:55,680
but it's until you have a group of people that you can rely on to decipher some of

495
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:01,220
this stuff because we're not experts. It leaves a lot to be desired. I'm gonna go

496
01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:07,260
backwards is a little bit to the corporate yard. I took a tour of it yesterday, and those pictures

497
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:13,340
that you saw up there were amazing. They're great compared to what is in reality. When you see

498
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:20,220
reality, it's like I can't believe we have people working here. It's been disrepair. It hasn't really

499
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:24,880
been maintained. We have vehicles strewn all over the place. We need to get removed. We have

500
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,880
context boxes that are there for storage, and that needs to get addressed.

501
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:34,740
It's just a whole litany of issues that we have to address, and this is a Keshe 22 situation.

502
01:03:35,380 --> 01:03:38,760
We have our desires and dreams, what we want, but we don't have the funds.

503
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,120
So that is a huge, huge issue that hopefully we can address or at least get down that road

504
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,900
in our third workshop.

505
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:54,680
According to this building here, we had Michael Matthews and I had a really good conversation

506
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,960
along with the rest of the team.

507
01:03:56,060 --> 01:03:59,420
Let's put together about just the issues with the library here.

508
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,940
We have this decking out here when it was redone, it was completely torn up completely.

509
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:09,040
They put a whole new substructure lightweight concrete.

510
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:16,000
They put a water system in there so that it would keep the water from intruding down.

511
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,120
and it actually located the water kind of migrated over here to the

512
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:25,280
silo here with the building in St. Downe. But for the first two to three years we

513
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,580
didn't have any real issues and it was on its supposed to be on a maintenance

514
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:35,960
program to reseal this on a regular basis because it aggregates things move and

515
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:42,140
UV and things of that nature and it was not being maintained so that's an issue.

516
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:46,760
We also have an issue with hydrology on the north side of the building here.

517
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,720
Well the stairs are, the water sinks down and it just sits there and it goes down

518
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,840
and the water pressure pushes into the walls and then we have an issue.

519
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:02,240
So we have to work on drainage issue on the on the north east and on northwest side

520
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,180
where the stairs are to deal with that.

521
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,920
All of our windows, structures and systems are failing.

522
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,620
Water is leaking through there.

523
01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:11,480
We have dirt that's piled up on the west side.

524
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,720
There shouldn't be piled up there.

525
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,760
One time they had put to fix some of these issues,

526
01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:18,800
they caught a lot of the areas in the walls.

527
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,580
And that's still holding true and still doing a fairly good job

528
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:23,600
what it's supposed to be doing.

529
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,680
But there are more that has to be done.

530
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,880
We have, as they mentioned, we have some plumbing issues.

531
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,400
We have electrical, which is completely outdated.

532
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,800
and also re-envisioned the library as well.

533
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:42,200
So again, there are so many issues

534
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,960
and they've encapsulated quite a few

535
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,400
with the presentation this evening,

536
01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:47,520
but we have a lot of work to do.

537
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,680
And I'm hoping that if anything that comes out

538
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,680
of these meetings here, that everyone understands

539
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,760
and we bring everyone along with us,

540
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,280
so that when the decision is made,

541
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,700
that everyone is in agreement,

542
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,020
they might not necessarily like it,

543
01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:09,300
But we're somewhat in agreement and we fully are transparent in communicating through this process.

544
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:17,480
So at this point, I'd like to bring up Michael Matthews to give his report.

545
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,720
Since he's more of the contractor and he knows more about about this one.

546
01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:24,020
Tech old standpoint, Michael could you please?

547
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,040
For all the people at home, they can hear you this.

548
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Thank you Adam.

549
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:41,480
And I'm going to try not to be the red headed stepchild of this boring hot air now because

550
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,900
there's so much love in this room.

551
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,140
And I'm here because I got drafted in January.

552
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:51,880
And I couldn't say no.

553
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:59,900
So I've been in a lot of conversations with people that have a lot of experience and knowledge

554
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:03,500
and ideas and have been trying to put them together.

555
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:11,380
Real quickly, Michael Matthews, my wife and I have been residents of the city for over 40 years,

556
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:12,640
both have businesses.

557
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:19,240
In fact, Andy's going to celebrate her 41st year this year in town here with her business.

558
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,540
But we've been members of the Library Friends Foundation for 20 some odd years,

559
01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:27,000
is intimately involved with.

560
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:35,900
And so both C and I are very specifically focused on having

561
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:38,520
a library and having this library.

562
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:46,120
So that being said, I've been a contractor for 30 some years,

563
01:07:46,580 --> 01:07:49,140
probably bring some experience to this process.

564
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:50,860
And hopefully so.

565
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:59,640
Well, real quickly, Mary, you talked a question about the plaza.

566
01:08:00,060 --> 01:08:03,780
It wasn't designed originally to be a plaza, it was supposed to be a second story.

567
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:06,780
We don't know what happened, probably we'll never know.

568
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,520
But it was never designed to be a waterproof surface.

569
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:17,460
And that's why we've been fighting it all these years because it's in a huge experience

570
01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:25,900
to try to put anything on it that will last for any length of time and protect or the building below.

571
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,720
That has caused the problems we have with structure mostly.

572
01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:38,600
Concrete, John, you could probably verify concrete cracks, it happens.

573
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:44,180
It's just what the nature of the beast, it never really cures over its lifetime.

574
01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:48,280
So it's always in some form of changing.

575
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,760
You add water to that, gets in there, water can cause big problems.

576
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,760
You get into the metal.

577
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,140
If you're so unlucky, it could do serious damage.

578
01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:10,960
But the companies that did the study for us back from 2022

579
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,440
22 is probably the first really comprehensive thing.

580
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:18,740
MHP did 23, they just updated it last week.

581
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:25,240
They never showed any significant changes over that period of time, which is a good thing.

582
01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:36,720
In 30 some odd years of being a contractor, I've worked on numerous buildings that had far worst structural issues that need to be repaired.

583
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,620
It's part of the business.

584
01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:44,840
So, everything that you showed, I have no problem with, not surprised, you can expect

585
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:45,740
that type of thing.

586
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:56,640
On top of it, it took the opportunity to pull out this stench in here because this

587
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,080
building qualified as our EOC with the studies that were done.

588
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,080
and we didn't have to do anything special in,

589
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,720
met all those standards on its own.

590
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,440
So we have a good basis to go forward if we choose.

591
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,940
So, it's not possible to do long-term waterproofing.

592
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:24,380
I had a company come out that I work with that is one of the premier waterproofing companies

593
01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:27,900
in Southern California used them for 25 years.

594
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:35,020
years and they took a look at it for me and they said, listen, we can waterproof this.

595
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,900
We can probably give you a 10-year warranty.

596
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:43,860
Part of that would require every couple of years being inspected and probably have some

597
01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:44,620
resurfacing.

598
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,720
So that's in play, but we're talking a million dollars.

599
01:10:48,340 --> 01:10:55,820
And do we really want to put ourselves back into the same process of 50 years every so often

600
01:10:55,820 --> 01:11:05,040
a million dollars. Probably not. So my idea was let's get rid of the issue. Let's get the water off

601
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:13,520
of that surface and do so with a patio cover. So that started a fun little process of designing,

602
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:24,040
coming up with concepts, drinking about how that could work. The issues would be long-term structure

603
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:32,820
obviously not impossible because there was a really originally designed to have a fully used

604
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:39,540
second story anyway so I believe there's hope for something like that but then we can use it not

605
01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:48,480
worry about the waterproofing of the existing surface and we can use it year round for many different

606
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:55,520
purposes, stylize it, the match, everything that we have going on here as far as this building

607
01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:04,340
and the city hall and so forth, and make something that last long term. The question is,

608
01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:12,800
how do we fund it, and how much will it cost? Well, I've been playing out quite a few different

609
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:20,480
scenarios. I think $10 million would probably do it. I actually had a meeting with Adam and

610
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:26,600
Moises and Mendel and we sat around the table and we saw all came up with the same number

611
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:34,280
from different directions so it seemed like a good possibility. So there's a lot of things

612
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:41,280
that have to be done though and I think $10 million budget we could do probably some of the dream

613
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,700
part and some of the stuff in these would be done.

614
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:48,780
So with that, I'm going to leave it a little bit loose.

615
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:50,840
Like I said, I brought some images here.

616
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:55,280
I have a scale drawing that we had made up based on the structure.

617
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,260
And see what you think.

618
01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:00,400
We'd love to play it out.

619
01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:02,780
And I don't think I have anything else.

620
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,040
Thank you, Michael.

621
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:14,800
So back a few months back, Senator Sasha Perez had a small

622
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:20,480
business Saturday walk and I had an opportunity, one of the the

623
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:25,800
restaurateurs shops here in Calm brought up the library as we're walking around

624
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:31,180
and what a great jewel it was for our city and it was unprompted. That

625
01:13:31,180 --> 01:13:35,720
triggered a conversation about getting some of our tax dollars back to

626
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:41,940
Glendora and we had a wonderful conversation and working with her

627
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:47,480
representative for the district Jack Arden sitting in the back there. She was

628
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:53,800
amenable to put this on next year's ask for the budget and we have the city of

629
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,560
Irlanda, the city of Azusa. They've received some funds as well from the

630
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,880
state of California for their libraries so I didn't think was so far out of the

631
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,340
way to ask for us as well because that seems to be the number to get us in the

632
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:11,140
right side. So if I can ask Jack to come on up just for a moment and give us a

633
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:17,120
status, kind of where we are with that ask, because at the end of the day it's, we don't

634
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,560
have the money, you know, all this is for not, we have to find it and hopefully in a third

635
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,260
meeting we'll be able to find it. If I wouldn't mind really quick, my sense would you just

636
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:29,820
mind giving a brief overview on the official ask really quick that we went over in the presentation?

637
01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:34,200
Not to put Jack in a tough spot right here, so give him a little bit of an out.

638
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,140
Sure, sure. So as I mentioned in the presentation,

639
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:41,980
I'll take a step back and then kind of present it the forward.

640
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:46,040
So we submitted an application to the state for a grant program,

641
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,080
specifically designed and aimed towards libraries at the building forward grant.

642
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:54,920
So the Susie example, the Irma Dale example, both of those cities.

643
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,740
We received funding through that grant program and ours was ultimately $8 million and it had

644
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:12,200
smatching requirements. We intended to expand more as part of that project, but $8 million was

645
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:18,380
the state grant portion of it. So using that as a basis kind of of where we're at today,

646
01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:24,180
we estimated that $10 million would be able to address kind of those core critical issues

647
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:29,220
that we had application so following or the the budgetary request to the

648
01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:34,040
senator following your conversations with the senator I had had a couple of

649
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,160
opportunities to meet with Jack and kind of present with him the information

650
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,180
get his feedback about the what needs to be included in that one more request and

651
01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:46,160
so he's got a draft of that available we shared with Jack that we would be

652
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,860
having this workshop and we wanted to make sure that we would fully identify what

653
01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:53,800
the council's desire and direction would be following the workshop.

654
01:15:54,680 --> 01:16:00,660
Our goal is to work with Jack, formalize that request and start navigating the process

655
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:04,100
with the senator's office here locally as well as her staff and Sacramento.

656
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,660
Well, thanks for giving me the opportunity to speak.

657
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,160
I do want to say thank you to Moissess.

658
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,200
I was given a tour of the library as well, I was able to see the damages first hand.

659
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:21,960
I also got to see some updates, sort of what was done to fix the building in the meantime.

660
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,480
And I thought that was a great view of what's going on and just how serious the damage has been.

661
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,100
So our office has been working with the city.

662
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,760
Where the budget request stands is that we need to eat the formal request.

663
01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:44,280
So after today, as I understand, the city is going to put together the request in a formal letter,

664
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,520
Which the draft has been produced and it's been shared with me once that formal letters done

665
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,660
The capital team looks at it and we're able to sort of take a look and see what we can do

666
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,920
This would be going into if it's if we're able to get this done it would be a next year's budget

667
01:16:59,460 --> 01:17:00,680
The budgets are always

668
01:17:01,660 --> 01:17:07,420
Sort of contentious as as you probably all know there's big fights over that so

669
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,200
That's at the end of the day sort of at the discretion of the governor

670
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:20,700
governor, which we'll have a new one next year. So our office is more than happy to advocate

671
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:26,080
on behalf of Lundora, to fight for Lundora. As you said, the senator has been briefed.

672
01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:32,340
I've seen the damages. I've met with Moises. I personally think it's a great budget request.

673
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:39,340
I would love to be able to do this, but it does fundamentally come down to Sacramento

674
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:42,560
I know at the end of the day, the senator will advocate.

675
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,660
And once we're able to get that budget request

676
01:17:45,660 --> 01:17:47,080
and we can sit down with the capital team,

677
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,000
that's what we can do.

678
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:53,120
It does come down to Sacramento,

679
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,420
but I do want to also state that those funds

680
01:17:57,420 --> 01:18:00,820
would be opened up after June 15th of next year.

681
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,520
So that's, I mean, if that works, the council,

682
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,560
then we're happy to sort of take a look at that.

683
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:15,020
But any budget request would be in the next year as opposed to this year.

684
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:17,460
The budget this year is already finalized, it's already done.

685
01:18:18,980 --> 01:18:21,080
The governor put that balance budget forward.

686
01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:24,960
There's also wasn't a ton of money for the individual communities in there.

687
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:28,980
So we are looking at next year, that's sort of the idea.

688
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:37,780
I can't give you any promises, but I can't give you the promise that I'm going to work on this, the center of work on this and we'll see what we can go from there.

689
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:45,180
our office is listening. So, once this meeting is done, then I'll be able to

690
01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:48,860
connect Moises and a legislative director to see where it needs to go from

691
01:18:48,860 --> 01:18:52,760
there. But I think the city's done a great job. Adam Moises, I think they've

692
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:53,900
done a great work on this.

693
01:18:59,030 --> 01:19:01,790
Well, Jack, I think if you go up there with your Hawaiian

694
01:19:01,790 --> 01:19:03,810
shirt and lobby for us, you'll get us the money.

695
01:19:09,860 --> 01:19:11,540
There, that's good. I'm good, thank

696
01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:21,120
you. Thank you, Michael, Michael and Jack. Appreciate that very much. Okay, it's now our turn to listen

697
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:31,300
and I'd love to do so. I hope that great ideas out there and time to be honest and tell us

698
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:38,940
what you'll support and what kind of things you might want to do. We've had six months of

699
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:54,460
keyboard warriors, a pining on things, on social media. I hope they're in the room and we'll share ideas versus just going home and smashing with a copy cup in your hand afterwards.

700
01:19:54,820 --> 01:19:59,180
So let's hear from everybody and we can take off and begin.

701
01:19:59,620 --> 01:20:04,360
I do have one yellow card, the gentleman that did fill it out. So I'll let him go first.

702
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,120
Mr. Kratowski, Michael.

703
01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:06,920
Welcome this way.

704
01:20:07,540 --> 01:20:09,520
So for those of you who present at the first workshop,

705
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,720
one rule of engagement, I will give you the microphone

706
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,540
as long as you promise to give it back.

707
01:20:14,140 --> 01:20:14,240
Okay?

708
01:20:14,820 --> 01:20:15,740
No arm wrestling.

709
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:16,360
All right.

710
01:20:16,660 --> 01:20:17,280
Welcome, Michael.

711
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,600
Thank you, I'll keep it brief.

712
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,880
I was really gonna ask about the library structure

713
01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:25,360
more largely, but it sounds like there's been a lot

714
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,660
of stuff going on about that.

715
01:20:26,780 --> 01:20:29,900
So my question now is about the emergency operation center,

716
01:20:30,180 --> 01:20:32,880
and does that 10 million or a shade structure,

717
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,040
or not to chase trucks or break canopy,

718
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,620
hope address that.

719
01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:37,960
This is something that I'd heard you mention

720
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,080
in previous meetings over the last couple of years,

721
01:20:40,660 --> 01:20:43,100
but I'd love to know more about the Emergency Operations Center,

722
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,820
what it does, where it can go, where restrictions are,

723
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,640
and how we can fix it.

724
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:48,160
Thank you.

725
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:49,080
Great question.

726
01:20:50,460 --> 01:20:52,960
Moissas, do you mind talking about the two to 400,000,

727
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,680
some of the initial seismic and then options

728
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,180
if the city were to move it and how that relates

729
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:02,700
It's to the corporate yard.

730
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:03,240
Sure.

731
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,120
So based on the reports and the work that MHP did,

732
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:08,980
we're from a structural perspective,

733
01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:12,060
we're fairly close to what the EOC standard is.

734
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,400
So that's good news.

735
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,640
As Mr. Matthews mentioned, that's the good news.

736
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,640
The structure is in no imminent threat of falling over.

737
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:20,200
We've got some stuff to do for sure,

738
01:21:20,460 --> 01:21:21,740
but we're in a pretty good spot.

739
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,480
It does identify some very specific improvements,

740
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,300
primarily to this floor and some of the supporting beams

741
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:30,980
that I mentioned to the roof structure above us

742
01:21:30,980 --> 01:21:33,860
and some supporting sheer wall construction.

743
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:36,620
In addition to that work,

744
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,920
which is included into $3.2 million figure,

745
01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:41,920
we have to do some equally,

746
01:21:43,740 --> 01:21:45,080
we have to make some improvements

747
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,600
to some of the building systems.

748
01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:49,320
To make those EOC level ready,

749
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:53,080
the engineers estimated that the cost would be

750
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,180
an additional two to $400,000.

751
01:21:55,180 --> 01:22:02,300
So, we could be talking upwards of $3.6 million to make it EOC ready, this building EOC ready.

752
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:10,280
So, not infeasible and closer to it, frankly, then what we originally thought when the investigative work happens.

753
01:22:10,860 --> 01:22:19,320
So, emergency operation center just briefly is what it describes in the event of an emergency, whether it's large or small,

754
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:32,240
There's a team of staff members that are plucked from city operations who basically come to this building into this room and set up a control area for us to plan and respond to an emergency.

755
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:37,740
The most recent time we activated the emergency was some of the fires that we've had on our foothills.

756
01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:42,840
We've had two in recent memory. One happened with kind of on the border.

757
01:22:42,940 --> 01:22:51,040
Sandi and this about, I'd say about a what a month ago. And then there was one about last year that we were monitoring very, very closely.

758
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:58,300
Anytime we see smoke coming from the hills anywhere from any direction, we pay attention to that stuff because we want to get ahead of it.

759
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:04,520
We also meet, we have a dedicated emergency operation center manager. She helps coordinate all of our activities.

760
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:11,740
And we actually practice emergency scenarios, realistic, real world scenarios that could happen in our community,

761
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:18,480
whether it's a fire in the foothills that we have a reservoir break, we have flooding, we have emergencies at Big Dalton.

762
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:25,040
How do we vacate children when programming is there? So we game plan those scenarios so that if and when something happens,

763
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:31,940
that we're in better position and more informed to make the decisions that need to be made in that particular moment in time to be responsive.

764
01:23:31,940 --> 01:23:38,400
So that team is multidisciplinary. We have every single staff every every department

765
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,720
and division in the city reflected in that and so this kind this would be effectively

766
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,260
our brain operation center in those scenarios.

767
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:51,550
I guess my question would be then is

768
01:23:51,550 --> 01:23:56,990
it more like the 10 million for the structure and then another 3 million for EOC or is

769
01:23:56,990 --> 01:24:02,010
that all one night? I know we talked a lot about the individual

770
01:24:02,010 --> 01:24:07,130
breakdowns from construction, not including soft costs. We didn't talk about a specific

771
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:11,990
figure for the electrical and mechanical. You know, we had previously talked about, you know,

772
01:24:12,190 --> 01:24:18,070
8 million for the grant, 10 million was a figure that's not inclusive of some of the modernization

773
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:22,890
efforts that would be on the ground floor. You know, I talk just briefly. I'm sure other people

774
01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:30,990
have the same question about like what 5 million buys you, what 10 million buys you, what 15 million

775
01:24:30,990 --> 01:24:51,570
and buys you a lot less than you think, unfortunately, but so just let's throw the figures out and just put some context to it, you know, I just mentioned the 3.6 million kind of estimated between whether proofing whatever that means structural improvements and making the facility EOC ready.

776
01:24:51,570 --> 01:24:57,110
We've also know that we have about $7 million worth of outstanding capital investments just to the

777
01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:03,150
ongoing maintenance expenses over the next 20 years for this building. So that's a figure that's out there.

778
01:25:03,730 --> 01:25:09,590
Under the umbrella, if we were successful to secure the $10 million, I would envision that we'd be able to do a lot of that sort of thing

779
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:17,070
with that amount of money. Anything that we get in terms of revenue is going to be a positive factor and a positive influence in the project.

780
01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:25,190
If a shade structure of some sort is something that the council prioritizes, then we'll figure out a way to incorporate that under the program.

781
01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:35,170
That's a good problem to have. If I've got $10 million in my pocket, I'd love to have that conversation again in a year's time about how we go about making all of these things happen.

782
01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:40,590
But ultimately, we're going to have to make some choices and prioritize ultimately what is most important to the council.

783
01:25:40,590 --> 01:25:45,330
So I think, you know, assuming a project like that, I don't know what your construction estimate.

784
01:25:46,630 --> 01:25:50,010
You have that I envision maybe two million, three million, some more thereabouts.

785
01:25:51,490 --> 01:25:52,230
Yeah, there we go.

786
01:25:52,710 --> 01:25:53,150
We'll

787
01:26:02,820 --> 01:26:04,140
go here then here if that's okay with you.

788
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:12,510
So hi, I'm Mike Antonesi, resident of nine years here in Glendora.

789
01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:14,670
Great presentation, Moises.

790
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:16,930
Thank you for your work on this.

791
01:26:17,150 --> 01:26:20,990
And even with the frog committee advising us

792
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:23,050
on some of the directions.

793
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:29,850
I was, as I spoke last week, I think I was able to go to all of the facilities and take

794
01:26:29,850 --> 01:26:33,350
a look at these with the rest of the committee.

795
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:40,730
And I echo Michael's voice in that those were great pictures, and don't reflect at all.

796
01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:50,390
The reality of what our employees, our employees that we pay each week go to, go through

797
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:59,430
in the job responsibilities, they have a building that doesn't have adequate restrooms,

798
01:26:59,670 --> 01:27:10,330
doesn't have adequate washing bathing facilities, the equipment there dates back into the 60s.

799
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:18,550
The building is totally just obsolete and reeks replacement.

800
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:30,670
just screams replacement, so interestingly when I got involved in initially I thought that the library was the most consequential change that we needed to do.

801
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:40,970
I would love to see us prioritize the facility that's going to be there for our employees to manage our city.

802
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:46,450
So I'd like to kind of flip that coin for a quick moment.

803
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:52,190
And concerning the library, was any of the soft costs, none of the soft costs having

804
01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:59,110
to do with reimagining the library was including that, right, because as we were speaking, I'm

805
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:59,250
sorry.

806
01:27:59,530 --> 01:27:59,910
That's correct.

807
01:28:00,170 --> 01:28:00,970
That is correct, yeah.

808
01:28:01,370 --> 01:28:05,930
And that is a number because the library, one of the most important thing that our committees

809
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:13,490
discussed and the library committees have said told us is that this is 2026, that 1972,

810
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:17,990
and libraries look quite different when they are built.

811
01:28:18,250 --> 01:28:22,910
I mean, we can go down the street in Pomona, I believe it was,

812
01:28:23,210 --> 01:28:28,270
that did a modern up-to-date library concept, which is digital,

813
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:34,450
which has work rooms, which has modern printers that could be used,

814
01:28:34,930 --> 01:28:39,690
and other things that would make us a first-class library

815
01:28:39,690 --> 01:28:45,130
as opposed to just fixing a problem that's been around for decades.

816
01:28:45,690 --> 01:28:45,930
Thanks.

817
01:28:51,230 --> 01:28:52,050
Mr. Timmore.

818
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,820
This question goes back to the contractor, Mr. Matthews.

819
01:28:59,420 --> 01:29:05,840
That $10 million sunk into the library extends the economic life of the library for how long?

820
01:29:17,340 --> 01:29:21,020
Hi, my name is Jenny Chen, and I have a lot of questions.

821
01:29:21,020 --> 01:29:32,080
So, first things I think thank you for the presentation is really well done and my first question is what is the cost of doing nothing?

822
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:41,060
It sounds like there is a cost related to that and can we talk about like how much is cost the taxpayer money for not doing anything at all?

823
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:49,000
Second thing we talked a lot about the $10 million that is coming from the state.

824
01:29:50,260 --> 01:29:54,140
but it doesn't sound like it is very likely to happen.

825
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,860
And someone tell me, like, what is the likelihood to happen? And what is the limitation? Is it like something that, oh, when you submit the proposal of $10 million? You can only do things that it listed in the proposal, or it's like, oh, $10 million. Have at it. Do anything that you want. My final question is. That is last time I was here. There was people telling saying that they don't see the value of having

826
01:30:29,860 --> 01:30:38,720
library. So can someone here tell me what is the economic benefit of these modernization

827
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:44,980
project? Because I think that is a lack of understanding of such important infrastructure.

828
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:50,540
In terms of cost escalation, which I think what we're talking about, we saw estimates, I think,

829
01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:56,860
in 1990, when they talked about expanding the current footprint to 45,000 square feet and

830
01:30:56,860 --> 01:31:00,460
doing some of the fixes and I think the total cost was like three and a half million dollars.

831
01:31:01,300 --> 01:31:05,560
And so here we're talking something, you know, four to five times that for a similar

832
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,020
size project, if not ten times that for a larger expansion.

833
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:19,120
The library was built and the land purchased and designed in the late 1970s for like 1.15

834
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:19,440
million.

835
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,260
And that includes just to give everyone just sort of an idea of just how expensive things

836
01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:31,960
are gotten. In terms of the library, it is one of, it's the top rated public service

837
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:37,600
that we have. I think people are here tonight largely because of the conversation, but also

838
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:42,960
because they understand the importance of the library. Mayor, if the council wants to

839
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:48,480
comment on the library itself, from a staff perspective, the library is very important.

840
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:53,680
It plays a large part in our public safety role, too, a safe place for people to go, a place

841
01:31:53,680 --> 01:32:02,300
access to information. So it does play a vital role in our operations and what says I don't want to you want to comment any of the other information quickly? Yeah, just.

842
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:11,000
I don't know that I can answer this more precisely, but you know what is the cost of doing nothing? Well, I don't think we will do nothing.

843
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,540
I think the record shows that the city time and time again has evaluated and considered

844
01:32:15,540 --> 01:32:18,180
options for the for the library and has made investments.

845
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:22,480
That doesn't mean we don't we've stopped maintaining the building.

846
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:27,540
We still do the best job that we possibly can within the structure that we currently have

847
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:30,080
available with the systems that we currently have available.

848
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:34,020
And so what we've done, you know, is try to address things very piecemeal.

849
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:39,620
We have some of the savings that I mentioned as part of the presentation about the organizational

850
01:32:39,620 --> 01:32:45,220
changes that we've made have been re-invested in our city operation that

851
01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:48,880
includes the creation of a facilities division that is responsible for

852
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:53,160
maintaining all of our buildings we have a five-person crew that does that on a

853
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:58,140
rotating basis so we will our commitment to you is that we will continue doing our

854
01:32:58,140 --> 01:33:02,080
job in trying to maintain the building as best we possibly can. As to your

855
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:06,400
question about how likely the $10 million ask is is that that one's a

856
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,160
That's a little bit more esoteric to be able to answer that question.

857
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,620
I can tell you at the previous agency with which I worked where my job,

858
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,740
primary job, one of my primary job responsibilities was advocating for that

859
01:33:18,740 --> 01:33:21,800
municipality in Sacramento. I was successful at getting

860
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,420
several of these budget requests through working with our elected officials.

861
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:32,060
Not every request gets funded, not every request is 10 million dollars,

862
01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:35,540
but that's part of the process that we're going to have to engage with our

863
01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:39,520
elected officials and their staff members not just to help them understand why it's important

864
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:44,260
for our community and put kind of a value beyond the dollars and cents to what the request

865
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:48,500
is and hopefully provide all the support that they need working with our legislative team

866
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:52,300
and Sacramento to be able to support their request. So I'm not going to say that it's unlikely,

867
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:57,760
it is going to be a challenge but that's just part of the process for these sorts of things and by

868
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:03,200
the way we've made these types of asks before not just at the state level and federal level

869
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,200
and have been successful at securing funding.

870
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:08,880
So the $5 million we received for the people movement project,

871
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:12,520
and from Congresswoman Chu, that was through the federal funding,

872
01:34:13,060 --> 01:34:16,200
and most recently secured $1.25 million for improvements

873
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,280
at Sandberg, working with Congressmen in the SNAROS office.

874
01:34:19,580 --> 01:34:22,740
So that's part of our job responsibility

875
01:34:22,740 --> 01:34:24,340
and the work that we're going to continue to do

876
01:34:24,340 --> 01:34:26,940
and kind of advocating for the city more broadly.

877
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,100
As to the economic benefit of modernization,

878
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:31,880
I think that's an open question

879
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,200
because I think we have to define what modernization means.

880
01:34:34,740 --> 01:34:36,300
If you look through some of the workshop materials

881
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:38,940
in the Phase 2 document that's attached to the staff report,

882
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:41,760
you see a lot of the things that are popping up

883
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,240
at what I would consider more modern facilities,

884
01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:49,440
so maker spaces, areas where you have audiovisual higher-end,

885
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:51,740
audiovisual equipment, recording studios,

886
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:56,380
books, digital information available more readily to their residents.

887
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:58,220
So I think it's an amalgamation of things

888
01:34:58,220 --> 01:35:01,540
that will help address those areas above and beyond

889
01:35:01,540 --> 01:35:05,400
kind of the space improvements that we would anticipate moving forward.

890
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,620
Thank you. I believe Shana would like to add something to this.

891
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:18,440
Yeah, I wanted to kind of piggyback onto Jenny's question and just kind of the whole discussion,

892
01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:23,600
not necessarily to offer an answer, but maybe just kind of more food for thought.

893
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:31,420
But first of all, I appreciate Michael always being the squeaky wheel and moving the ball forward

894
01:35:31,420 --> 01:35:36,940
with the Senator's office on that money, but I want to also give credit where credit

895
01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:37,380
is due.

896
01:35:37,540 --> 01:35:45,060
That staff is putting a ton of time and effort into that, into making that happen.

897
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:53,260
And there's also relationships that Karen has with the Senator's team and that she's been

898
01:35:53,260 --> 01:35:59,200
involved with. So it's a big effort with a lot of people working really hard on behalf

899
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:04,480
of the city. So just want to make sure everybody understands that. But Jenny had asked,

900
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:10,080
you know, what is the economic benefit of the library for the city? And it just kind

901
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,220
of sparked a thought. I want to make sure that we understand that there's also a social

902
01:36:13,220 --> 01:36:19,900
benefit to having the library. You know, it's not just economics. It's, I can't even remember

903
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:23,880
the term off the top of my head like a third space in a community I think is what they call it.

904
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:29,420
You know I mean that is extremely important it's one of those things that is hard

905
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:37,180
to quantify in a community but is so incredibly important and I think in a community like Lendora.

906
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:45,560
So much of what happens in our city is structured around our library so you know we have to

907
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,540
to keep that in mind as we're making these really big decisions.

908
01:36:51,900 --> 01:36:52,340
Thank you.

909
01:36:53,140 --> 01:37:03,380
And to chime in on that, I think this body's value of the library is huge.

910
01:37:03,860 --> 01:37:08,620
And the things that this library does as a Lendora Public Library,

911
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:14,060
not a county library system, the programming, the staffing, the passion,

912
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:20,260
that goes into it shows tremendous when you look at communities around us that may not have

913
01:37:20,260 --> 01:37:25,560
this robust of a program, I think that shows terrifically as well.

914
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:33,440
It's significant and we have a lot of program participants that come from out of the city

915
01:37:34,060 --> 01:37:41,100
just to participate here because of the value they get. So it's hard to measure but the visual of

916
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:42,400
but you definitely see it.

917
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,720
Mendel and then I think Marilyn Sparks has a point.

918
01:37:46,180 --> 01:37:52,720
Yeah, I really appreciate you kind of just asking.

919
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:54,140
So where are we?

920
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,800
And social media is a wonderful thing

921
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,180
and we've been accused of ditching this place,

922
01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:04,440
of scrubbing this place.

923
01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:08,600
And I want to be very clear that the five of us

924
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:17,600
have never voiced that opinion. The library is something very important to us. And we want to keep

925
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:26,640
it. You're absolutely right. This is taking another shape, another form because of the world

926
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:35,040
that we're in. And the soft costs are going to be as equally as key to this place as the hard cost.

927
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:47,980
And but I want to be very clear that what you've read or even heard of us saying the library is is only here.

928
01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:55,760
That is true. You know that that there's a lot of stuff here, but but we're not.

929
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:02,260
We haven't ever talked about just saying bye bye and I want to be very blunt about that.

930
01:39:03,540 --> 01:39:05,000
Marilyn, welcome.

931
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:14,920
Hello, my name is Marilyn Sparks. I've been a resident here since 1995.

932
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:23,620
My children both received books when they were born at Foothill Presbyterian, courtesy

933
01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:30,340
of the Glendora Public Library. So we have two books that are 129 years old and 127 years

934
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:39,200
And the Glendora Library has been a big part of my children's youth and just their lives.

935
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:40,240
They're fond memories.

936
01:39:40,540 --> 01:39:47,680
But I also stand here as the new president of the Glendora Public Library Friends Foundation.

937
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:56,200
And I wanted to expand on the councilwoman's comment or insight about being a third space for youth.

938
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:04,680
According to the library hub analysis of libraries and crime, safe spaces for youth are found

939
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:05,660
through the libraries.

940
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:12,000
They provide after-school and summer programs that keep children and teens in constructive

941
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,120
environments instead of at-risk settings.

942
01:40:16,020 --> 01:40:24,540
Long-term literacy impact, better childhood literacy and education outcomes complete with

943
01:40:24,540 --> 01:40:29,540
stronger job prospects and lower adult incarceration rates.

944
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:33,000
And this is why we have to fight for our library.

945
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:41,940
We must figure out a way to fund keeping it strong, keeping it a safe place both physically

946
01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:44,200
emotionally for our children.

947
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:45,080
Thank you.

948
01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:48,880
Thank you, Marilyn.

949
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,220
I have a question about protocol.

950
01:40:57,980 --> 01:41:02,720
Is it okay to talk to some of the frog people that are here?

951
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:11,240
or does it all have to go to, I mean, here's my question, I guess. I mean, the first

952
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:15,480
I heard about this was the presentation that Gary gave, I don't know how long it was,

953
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:25,560
at the City Council, and everything was pretty much laid out that we knew. And the assessment

954
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:33,480
of that community group was that the best idea was at least to ask the citizens of Glendora

955
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:40,320
if they were willing to maybe pay for the funding for the library.

956
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:47,540
So I assumed that there would be a ballot measure and then we could all talk about it and

957
01:41:47,540 --> 01:41:49,300
decide if that was something we were going to do.

958
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:54,220
But then all of a sudden there was a big group that said, no, we don't even want it on

959
01:41:54,220 --> 01:41:54,680
the ballot.

960
01:41:54,680 --> 01:42:01,760
So I guess my question is this, is there just no way that we can put some this question

961
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:09,120
before Glendorans or to see are we willing to invest in the library?

962
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:09,960
Yes or no?

963
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:15,500
I mean, I'm asking because I know you guys did a lot of work on this, do you just think

964
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:16,360
that's dead in the world?

965
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:18,300
I mean, we're not talking about where they'll vote for it.

966
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,060
They may not.

967
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,180
I mean, none of us like to pay taxes for God's sakes.

968
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:26,900
But is there just no chance of even putting it before Glendora people?

969
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,240
And I say this because there were two young women sitting here.

970
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,940
And they came because they wanted to speak, but it just got long and they left.

971
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:40,320
So I do think that there are young people and they have parents and grandparents.

972
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:44,740
So it may not pass. There's a good chance it won't.

973
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,060
But is there just no way we can even get it on the ballot in this town?

974
01:42:49,060 --> 01:42:56,940
that's my question. Well, Terry, if I can start the answer to that, the

975
01:42:56,940 --> 01:43:02,000
Citizens Initiative group, as you might be aware, attempted to do a

976
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,920
ballot measure and it did not get traction, so therefore they withdrew the

977
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:11,580
opportunity knowing that it would not meet the deadlines and get to a

978
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:19,420
vulnerable cause. So in lieu of that, this format was created to try to

979
01:43:19,420 --> 01:43:25,700
opportunity and learn from the residents in an open forum. What could they

980
01:43:25,700 --> 01:43:30,260
support? What would they support? For us to bring our ears and listen, what would

981
01:43:30,260 --> 01:43:37,600
you like? Obviously the first attempt from the Citizens Initiative group with a

982
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,280
The grander scale wasn't going to be successful.

983
01:43:42,340 --> 01:43:48,660
For the city to put together a on a ballot, we could say, yes, we're going to do that and do it tomorrow.

984
01:43:49,340 --> 01:43:51,880
The pass rate is much higher.

985
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:54,960
So therefore, it's a strategy thing.

986
01:43:55,260 --> 01:44:01,820
If it wasn't going to make success in a citizen's initiative, it probably wouldn't have great success.

987
01:44:01,820 --> 01:44:09,580
therefore, if not that, what? We're working on the what? So tonight's idea, pardon?

988
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:18,600
Yeah, so working on what the idea could become from the output from this gathering.

989
01:44:19,020 --> 01:44:24,220
And I've counted about 60 people in a community of 50,000.

990
01:44:24,220 --> 01:44:24,540
Okay.

991
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,340
Take it from what it is.

992
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:36,100
You're all voters, not all 60 or 50,000 are, but there's still people that say,

993
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:40,320
well, I didn't know. Where is it? Or how do I, how do I get heard?

994
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,780
Or we'd love to listen. I was visiting with a gentleman in the park,

995
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,780
Sunday night at the concerts. A viable community member.

996
01:44:49,780 --> 01:44:54,240
So that's why I think given if we had a number in a direction

997
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,160
Maybe we can come up with tonight. I think people would put up something. Wow, okay. It's only

998
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:15,180
half a million dollars each. Everybody ready? Okay. It's not an easy, easy choice or an easy

999
01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:22,520
hurdle. If Gary wants to respond, I'd welcome it, but that's the starting answer.

1000
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:38,140
Those of you who don't know my name is Gary Boyer and I sat as the chair of the Fraud Committee and I think it's important for everybody to understand the Fraud Committee was not a committee that was put together to try to pass a tax initiative.

1001
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:44,760
We were a committee that was put together to try to address the facilities issues in the city of Glendora.

1002
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:50,920
And we were talking about a lot of different ideas, a lot of different options.

1003
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:55,280
We got no traction until we started talking about a tax initiative.

1004
01:45:56,060 --> 01:45:57,640
And we started talking about that.

1005
01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:00,040
People got angry about it.

1006
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,020
People, a lot of things came out.

1007
01:46:02,020 --> 01:46:04,200
There was a lot of interaction that happened.

1008
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:11,360
But it was just one of the many things that has been discussed and is continuing to be discussed.

1009
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:15,920
And so the Fraud Committee is still meeting and we're still addressing different ideas.

1010
01:46:16,700 --> 01:46:22,840
But the whole thing about it is we as a community and I appreciate the fact that the initiative

1011
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:27,900
here tonight is to try to get directions from the council as far as what the next steps

1012
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:28,400
might be.

1013
01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:35,500
But I just like to be clear that the City Council that in 1970 and the City staff at that

1014
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:38,500
time, they did the best they could with what they had available to them.

1015
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:43,960
The City Council in 1980 and the staff in 1980 did the best with what they had available

1016
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:48,760
to them, 1990 and 2000 and 2010 and 2020.

1017
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:55,920
We as a community need to make a decision as to what we are going to do and what we want

1018
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:57,600
the future of Glendor to look like.

1019
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:02,920
And so that's what the Fraud Committee has been studying, that's what we've been working

1020
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,220
on and that's what we've been talking to the community about, that's what we're going

1021
01:47:06,220 --> 01:47:08,200
to continue to talk to the community about.

1022
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:14,800
So it's not really about a ballot initiative, it's about trying to figure out a way that we as a community

1023
01:47:15,620 --> 01:47:18,460
can give these guys some direction and support

1024
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:24,700
so they can give these guys some direction to actually do the job that we expect to be done.

1025
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:30,740
So that's why this conversation is so important that we need to keep moving forward.

1026
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:31,560
So thanks.

1027
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:33,600
Thank you, Gary.

1028
01:47:35,820 --> 01:47:37,620
Okay, we have two more speakers over here.

1029
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:42,570
Hi, my name is Krista Granger.

1030
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:49,270
I guess I'm a little confused with the ballot and even Terry's question,

1031
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:52,830
because one of the options, at least that was still on the presentation,

1032
01:47:53,450 --> 01:47:55,270
was a new library.

1033
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:59,710
Because my concern is, from reading the materials and what I've followed is

1034
01:48:00,270 --> 01:48:02,610
a structure, the peseo, the deck.

1035
01:48:03,630 --> 01:48:08,950
It feels like we're throwing good money at a situation that's not going to get resolved

1036
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,990
with the structure that has had problems from day one almost.

1037
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:20,150
So, you know, and maybe I've come into this a little late in terms of not being part

1038
01:48:20,150 --> 01:48:27,850
of any prior workshops or whatnot, but it almost sounds as if that's not on the table anymore.

1039
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:41,370
And I know it seems like we've had we have other facilities that have issues because I agree the public workshop needs to be taken care of I've also heard the police station has issues but we're not talking about that in this meeting at all.

1040
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:57,830
So I'm just a little unsure of, you know my option if I had to vote would be let's build and start over because, you know, 10 years from now my kids are going to be spending money to fix the same thing.

1041
01:48:57,830 --> 01:49:03,770
we're trying to fix today. And if the library is one of the biggest, you know, community services

1042
01:49:03,770 --> 01:49:10,070
we have, I feel like, you know, how do we help get that? And if frog committee wasn't started

1043
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:15,350
as an initiative, maybe there's a different way to do it to help make improvements and tweaks

1044
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:21,610
from where we might have gone awry, but to help educate people and get out there for them to realize

1045
01:49:21,610 --> 01:49:27,390
that we do have some real structural issues. And unfortunately, they're not going to get fixed

1046
01:49:27,390 --> 01:49:33,970
with a band aid and it seems like we're going to have to put money behind our structures

1047
01:49:34,670 --> 01:49:40,470
and it's not always the prettiest thing to do but to figure out how to just do it better

1048
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:42,650
because it sounds like we need more square footage.

1049
01:49:43,710 --> 01:49:48,290
I like the other deck, the other options seem great because we get more square footage.

1050
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:54,490
Just putting a kind of a cover over it doesn't help us add more services in the library.

1051
01:49:54,490 --> 01:50:12,370
So all that to say I'm just not sure where you guys want to go or what you want to hear from us because I'm starting to get the feeling that actually building new structure isn't something that the city is wanting to hear or something that we could do.

1052
01:50:12,370 --> 01:50:20,810
Thank you. I think that we're here tonight in step two as an alternative to a

1053
01:50:20,810 --> 01:50:26,750
grander scope that apparently there was not an appetite for. So we're in the

1054
01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:33,450
same boat. If we what will you as a community support and give us direction to

1055
01:50:33,450 --> 01:50:41,570
do? If it's great and start over, great. How would you support funding that?

1056
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:48,370
Not going to just come through grants and gifts, even if it said,

1057
01:50:48,650 --> 01:50:52,370
the Michael Matthews Memorial Library up there, not memorializing him.

1058
01:50:57,450 --> 01:51:00,190
Michael, it's only 125 mil, that's a chip.

1059
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:05,240
The Valentine Library, yes,

1060
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,700
With all due respect to Sandy, thank you very much.

1061
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,460
But that's a big ask, so we're with you.

1062
01:51:13,860 --> 01:51:15,680
If not this, what and how.

1063
01:51:16,380 --> 01:51:23,440
So we're trying to determine that as the grandiose option apparently didn't get traction.

1064
01:51:24,940 --> 01:51:25,380
Please.

1065
01:51:25,780 --> 01:51:27,220
If I can just add on to that, too.

1066
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,960
A new library isn't off the table for me, I'll just make that clear.

1067
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:42,380
I think that the scope of the project that as I understand it the Fraud Committee might have been looking at was much larger.

1068
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:47,280
Today's conversation is about the library and the corporate yard.

1069
01:51:48,340 --> 01:51:54,820
So I feel like it's different. It's a much different dollar figure as well.

1070
01:51:55,700 --> 01:52:02,820
So I'm open to anything, you know, just for me personally, I share what your concern is.

1071
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:07,620
I mean, as somebody with young kids in the community, like I'll be here for a long time.

1072
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:12,460
My kids will be here for a long time, so I'm looking well, well into the future.

1073
01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:22,680
And I don't want 2026 to be just another cog in the wheel of five decades of things that we've done here

1074
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:28,500
that haven't necessarily worked, that future generations are going to be throwing good

1075
01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:34,460
money after bad, trying to fix. So, you know, as much as I, you know, I'm a conservative,

1076
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:39,480
I want to save money, you know, I also want to make sure that things are done right. So,

1077
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:46,280
that the money that we do spend is spent well. So, anyways, to answer your question, I'm

1078
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:52,000
open to all options based on, you know, the community feedback and what other people want.

1079
01:52:56,140 --> 01:53:23,620
I'm Connie Winn. I've lived in Glendora since 1991 and I think we've talked a lot about the library tonight and I'm thinking the workshop really is more about structure and I 100% agree we should have a library, but we cannot really expect Glendora to have a library the scale of Pomona when their tax base is 150,000 people.

1080
01:53:23,620 --> 01:53:31,020
and we're only 50,000 people, I just don't think that's very realistic, but I

1081
01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:39,980
would like to see that if we can repair the building, the structure for 12,

1082
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:45,120
million, 15 million is, I would like to see that done first because it will

1083
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:51,540
continue to deteriorate and that will ultimately cost us more money to if we

1084
01:53:51,540 --> 01:53:56,360
let it deteriorate more to repair it at a later date and then see the public

1085
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:02,900
works yard prior twice a second and both of those things approved by the

1086
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:08,320
council. Thank you. Michael has a question on his way to Mr. Berrin. Go ahead.

1087
01:54:09,460 --> 01:54:14,620
We got a lot of Michael's here tonight. It's not a question. It's you know we're all

1088
01:54:14,620 --> 01:54:18,180
here to go. It's catch 22. We would love to have the best of the best of

1089
01:54:18,180 --> 01:54:24,840
possible. We did the survey as Adam mentioned well before we had started doing

1090
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,420
some of these cancer designs and everything and the appetite for the community

1091
01:54:28,420 --> 01:54:33,980
wasn't there. Two-thirds vote just wasn't there and for us to go back out there

1092
01:54:33,980 --> 01:54:37,540
and think we're going to be able to do that again. In my book it's probably not

1093
01:54:37,540 --> 01:54:40,220
going to happen if the community comes out and wants to do it fine. It's up to

1094
01:54:40,220 --> 01:54:44,600
the community but we have to work with what we have and what we have is we have an

1095
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:48,620
opportunity for some state money, whether this or something else or some federal

1096
01:54:48,620 --> 01:54:52,400
money, and we need to do the best we can with the civilis we have, the

1097
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,740
monies that we have, and it's not necessarily a band-aid, it's fixing a wrong

1098
01:54:57,420 --> 01:55:02,200
that was done at the conception of this building here, and I think that that's

1099
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:06,860
something we can do. I think we all want a library, whether it's what we have

1100
01:55:06,860 --> 01:55:10,520
right now or something quite different and that can be envisioned, but we have to

1101
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:15,600
fixed the underlying structure first. This building gets utilized so much. This

1102
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:20,420
Bidwell form, it's always used one way or another. We're here this evening. We

1103
01:55:20,420 --> 01:55:24,720
don't have any other space like this. They can accommodate these folks. And we

1104
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:29,900
have to do something. Whatever that something is, we need to take action. And again,

1105
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,360
as was mentioned here tonight, it's no fault that anybody in the past is

1106
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:37,660
just a matter of economics. We'll only work with what we have. We heard

1107
01:55:37,660 --> 01:55:43,180
loud and clear that the folks out there want us to work within our means and not burden

1108
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:48,760
necessary the public for quite some time. So this is our option. Unless somebody else

1109
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:54,000
comes up with a great idea, I'm all listening. That's what we're here for this evening. So

1110
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,800
bottom line is we have to work within our means because that was the mandate that we have

1111
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:58,200
up here.

1112
01:55:59,900 --> 01:56:07,320
Thank you, Michael. Mr. Baron. Thank you. Just want to say thank you to

1113
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:12,440
to the council for the approach that you all have taken

1114
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,240
and for committing and coming through with your promise

1115
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,760
to me to have this kind of interchange between the council

1116
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:20,720
and staff and the public.

1117
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:24,600
And I think, I think, so I want to say thank you personally,

1118
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,140
but I just want to commend the council.

1119
01:56:27,340 --> 01:56:29,200
And I love you two guys hugging, you know,

1120
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:30,400
that's fantastic.

1121
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:44,420
And Michael basically took my sentiment away from me, but basically this community at

1122
01:56:44,420 --> 01:56:54,500
this point in time as evidenced by all those wag posters does not have an appetite to fund

1123
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:59,540
$50 million or $100 million in the city.

1124
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:02,340
We got to realize facts or facts.

1125
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,720
That's just the fact.

1126
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:11,080
I also heard something positive in terms of Mr. Matthew's

1127
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:15,560
that the analysis that was done by one of the vendors for

1128
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:18,360
the city said that over the last three years,

1129
01:57:18,500 --> 01:57:21,660
I think it was there was no increase in the structural

1130
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:31,360
deterioration of the library, and that the water intrusion, I'm going to trust Mr. Matthews

1131
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:35,620
in terms of the context that he has in the construction industry and his experience

1132
01:57:35,620 --> 01:57:42,540
that that is the, at least worth looking at as an option, because if that could be done

1133
01:57:42,540 --> 01:57:49,560
and you can take care of some of the other things that you mentioned and it's a $15 million,

1134
01:57:49,560 --> 01:58:02,340
$17 million, maybe $17 million, a solution, we keep the EOC designation and just at the

1135
01:58:02,340 --> 01:58:05,860
last workshop there was an allocation of close to $12 million.

1136
01:58:06,980 --> 01:58:14,140
Well, I don't know maybe we're going to get another $5 to $8 million extra money if the staff

1137
01:58:14,140 --> 01:58:20,120
continues and the council, so the council continues to do the kind of due diligence on the expenditure

1138
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:24,900
of money. So I don't know if that's going to be repeated in the near future or it's a one-time

1139
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:33,600
gosh where did this money come from? I don't know but we got it. So I think that's

1140
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:40,720
worth pursuing Mr. Matthew's proposal and looking at that. And I think it's important to identify

1141
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:48,640
if we do have to prioritize, do we start working on the library first or on the corporate yard?

1142
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:53,940
because the corporate yard just really does sound like it's in bad shape.

1143
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:58,780
So, I think you could get support for that from the community.

1144
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,400
From the Valentine Baron Library, okay, Mr. Lane.

1145
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:12,540
I think, you know, I was a part of the community input meeting for the ballot measure with Gary.

1146
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,260
And I appreciate Gary Paul pulling the ballot measure.

1147
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:24,740
as now we're having the discussion in the tens of millions of dollars versus the hundreds

1148
01:59:24,740 --> 01:59:27,120
of millions of dollars, okay?

1149
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:34,340
If the economy goes down, we still owe the taxes, okay?

1150
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:38,900
And that's really what was my big push for it at the end of the day.

1151
01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:43,280
I'm not a part of any organization, whether it be WAG or Save Glendor schools or anyone

1152
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:46,240
else out there, just kind of rogue, always kind of been that way, right?

1153
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:54,420
So, when Michael referred my name, I'm on the American Concrete Institute Board of Directors

1154
01:59:54,420 --> 01:59:54,840
for something.

1155
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,000
California. I'm also involved with ACI in San Diego and ACI in Las Vegas. And as you all know, there's a lot of concrete up in Las Vegas. All right, work with all those guys. The

1156
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:29,240
fiber reinforcement that you're talking about that's going to be going in the concrete. I sell that. So I know exactly what you're talking about. Do I have the answer for what's going on a library? No, I don't. I won't. I'm not that guy. I'm not an engineer. But I can

1157
02:00:30,240 --> 02:00:37,080
Provide someone that I would know that would be able to do that at the end of it. There's concrete suppliers in this room right now, okay?

1158
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:43,200
Even though he's pulled the ballot measure, I'm still here.

1159
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:48,040
Does that make a shut the library down? I'd never said that. As a matter of fact, Terry,

1160
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:55,080
I think I told you in the meeting that no one on that panel up there was having a discussion of shutting the library down or intended to.

1161
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:59,980
Adam, you mentioned it last week in the City Council meeting that no one intends to shut the library down.

1162
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:11,280
library down. Can it be improved upon? Yes, absolutely. My home is 73 years old. When we bought it,

1163
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:19,920
it was 1,250 square feet. When we found out number three baby was along the way and that the

1164
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:26,940
little 1,250 square foot house wasn't going to work, we decided to add on a 63 year old house

1165
02:01:27,660 --> 02:01:30,420
that I decided to add on a thousand square feet.

1166
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:31,600
Is it doable?

1167
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:32,200
Yes.

1168
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:35,120
Do I still have the maintenance of that house?

1169
02:01:35,620 --> 02:01:35,880
Yes.

1170
02:01:36,220 --> 02:01:37,580
I still have to put on a roof.

1171
02:01:38,180 --> 02:01:39,340
We didn't redo the kitchen.

1172
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:40,600
We didn't redo a bathroom.

1173
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:41,920
It's still not done yet.

1174
02:01:42,180 --> 02:01:44,380
Even 12 years later after we finished it,

1175
02:01:44,500 --> 02:01:45,660
we still want to do that.

1176
02:01:45,820 --> 02:01:47,960
But eventually one day we'll get there

1177
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:49,420
to where we can redo the kitchen

1178
02:01:49,420 --> 02:01:51,440
and my wife will be really happy.

1179
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:52,820
And the kids will be really happy

1180
02:01:52,820 --> 02:01:55,080
that they have a shower to step into

1181
02:01:55,080 --> 02:02:01,940
instead of a bathtub, right? Of course, okay? We all want those things, but we all have to live within our means as well, okay?

1182
02:02:02,620 --> 02:02:07,720
So, Mint, I'm going to provide some solutions here tonight because you're like, you got to provide some solutions. That's why I'm here.

1183
02:02:08,740 --> 02:02:15,180
Does it make sense, Moises, to move the public workshard up to the equestrian center that's not surrounded by homes,

1184
02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:23,120
whereas the current public workshard would, would that reduce the costs to take that public workshard up to the equestrian center?

1185
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:26,960
It's about the same square footage, right, acreage, about the same.

1186
02:02:27,380 --> 02:02:28,760
There's only one house right there.

1187
02:02:29,900 --> 02:02:34,060
That way we could at least reduce our cost of the phasing of the contracting side of it,

1188
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:41,180
and then sell that asset off to a developer who could go and do that, okay?

1189
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:45,260
And then we would get the additional property tax revenue from that now, okay?

1190
02:02:45,780 --> 02:02:46,560
That's number one.

1191
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:51,340
As far as we aren't talking about any of the other issues that were brought up on the frog

1192
02:02:51,340 --> 02:02:55,440
ballot measures. Well, with the police station, okay, where we've got a lot of officers now.

1193
02:02:55,880 --> 02:03:00,420
Those officers aren't all on duty at the same time. They're all at different times.

1194
02:03:00,980 --> 02:03:07,180
Mike brought up a great idea about perhaps doing a police substation somewhere else, right,

1195
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:08,120
throughout the city.

1196
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:15,300
I'm actually all for that as I've waited at the train tracks.

1197
02:03:19,220 --> 02:03:21,320
If there's

1198
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:41,340
So having a substation south of the Metrolink now would be an excellent idea to be able to take care of people below the train tracks versus up because they're all leaving from this area, if they aren't, if there is an emergency, they're all leaving from this area, they get stopped at the train tracks, that's going to be an issue.

1199
02:03:41,340 --> 02:03:51,780
Okay? So police type station. So that also takes care of the burden of relocating police officers and all the employees to a new unit, okay?

1200
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:55,440
Keep that in mind, something to think of at the end of the day.

1201
02:03:57,940 --> 02:04:06,820
The roof is repairable. The difference is all of these things are have to be done within the city's means.

1202
02:04:07,460 --> 02:04:15,280
At a maybe you can give us an idea of how much expected tax revenue we intend to get on

1203
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:22,920
the new properties that are being developed in the 2200 acre or 2200 units is what's required.

1204
02:04:23,340 --> 02:04:27,160
Does that include the WICOM units as well that are going to be developed and all that.

1205
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:32,520
So what how many units are really going to be developed and how much property tax revenue

1206
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:34,340
are going to be able to do something with that.

1207
02:04:34,340 --> 02:04:42,160
And can we earmark some of that money here in the vision plan here in the station plan for these projects like a mellow

1208
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:47,120
Roos tax or something like that, but how much revenue we expected to generate out of homeless properties?

1209
02:04:47,860 --> 02:04:52,640
So really great question. I think on the equation property. There's some deed restrictions as well as

1210
02:04:53,980 --> 02:05:03,060
There's a large easement for LA County flood that doesn't allow anything to be built in that area. It's actually a property that the city's looked at before

1211
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:10,120
But we can think as part of workshop three that we'll look at one of those ideas, which is land sales.

1212
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:14,520
In terms of the public workshop, you have quite a bit of cleanup that has to occur in any one of those yards.

1213
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:20,380
When you have development, something likely the school districts will have to go through as they look at land to.

1214
02:05:20,580 --> 02:05:24,080
So in terms of property tax and it's a really good question.

1215
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:31,280
A lot of people make an assumption that the vast majority of your property tax goes to the city and it does not.

1216
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:40,760
So of $100 million in assessed valuation of projects, so let's say there's a large multi-family project, let's say it's assessed valuation of $100 million.

1217
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:51,140
Their base prop 131% is $1 million of that the city would receive 10% about a little less actually on average for $100,000.

1218
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:58,700
So for every $100 million in property development, the city would receive about $100,000 in general fund revenue.

1219
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:10,880
With additional housing or other services that are required, that money would go into several other categories typically as relates to providing additional street maintenance and so on and so forth.

1220
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:21,560
But it is one of the questions that we get and it's one of I think one of the harder parts that people when they look at is I think they're surprised just how little money the cities actually get from property tax.

1221
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:25,540
It sounds like a lot, but the vast majority of the money actually goes to the county.

1222
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:29,640
The second most is to the state of California for something called ERAF,

1223
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:32,380
which is your educational revenue augmentation fund and

1224
02:06:32,380 --> 02:06:34,060
an educational revenue fund.

1225
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:40,680
The local school districts receive about 17 to 18% of your total 1% followed by the city.

1226
02:06:40,780 --> 02:06:42,700
And then it falls off pretty drastically after that.

1227
02:06:42,820 --> 02:06:46,800
So I wish the city got more money from some of that development is a great idea.

1228
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:49,660
It comes up all the time and I wish it was more.

1229
02:06:49,660 --> 02:07:09,640
But it is worth noting that as some of the development in and around relating to some of the state's requirements for additional housing bypassing any city rules and can be built by right may generate some additional base property tax whether or not that is significant is to be determined at this point.

1230
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:37,100
The City Council has had as part of the one time funding workshop, and really quick, I appreciate you talking about the one time funding, I wish 12 million would appear more, but the city did lay out in the one time funding an opportunity we think of about $8 million that will be brought in from development deals for related to the school sites for a possible rezoning of that a community benefits, so the city would get money back for some one time funding.

1231
02:07:37,100 --> 02:07:45,740
So part of the city's 12 million that they spent may actually sort of use some of that funding in advance and we would reimburse ourselves for some of those costs.

1232
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,260
So could the city have additional one time money in the future?

1233
02:07:48,660 --> 02:07:50,300
Maybe would it happen overnight?

1234
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:56,140
No, have we predicated and budgeted for and estimated some of those development sites coming in?

1235
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:58,800
Yes, and that's the answer to that question is yes.

1236
02:07:58,940 --> 02:08:06,060
So workshop three will include some of the landswops, really appreciate that recommendation, especially from a staff perspective.

1237
02:08:06,060 --> 02:08:08,260
If it is something that we have considered previously.

1238
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:12,600
Adam, before we go off of this, I want you to address something that John brought up,

1239
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:16,400
because I think there's a misunderstanding here and I want to make sure everybody knows this.

1240
02:08:16,900 --> 02:08:20,840
John referenced the 2200 and I'll take your word for it.

1241
02:08:20,900 --> 02:08:25,240
I don't remember off the top of my head, but I assume you're referring to the six cycle arena numbers.

1242
02:08:26,460 --> 02:08:31,000
If you can explain Adam to the community, those are not

1243
02:08:33,340 --> 02:08:35,200
set numbers that are being built.

1244
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,260
Those were just, we had to allocate those, we had to zone for those.

1245
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:43,200
That's not in the pipeline, if you can explain that.

1246
02:08:43,240 --> 02:08:44,660
Yeah, that's a great club view.

1247
02:08:44,780 --> 02:08:50,040
So the state likes to tell the city how many net new units it can build.

1248
02:08:50,440 --> 02:08:53,560
Or have to zone to build or has the capacity to build.

1249
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:57,200
Certain housing has certain density requirements for

1250
02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:00,720
the state to determine that there could be some affordable component built there.

1251
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:12,020
The most recent rena cycle, the city was required to zone for an additional 2200 units above and beyond what we have, the capacity, or that we currently have.

1252
02:09:12,660 --> 02:09:19,260
And so that was largely done. Actually, we didn't have to zone for the entire 2200 because we already had some capacity along Route 66.

1253
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:27,520
The city council spread out some of the increased development along Arrow Highway in Route 66, some of the major corridors that can handle some of the additional traffic.

1254
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:35,220
To date, not even 10% of those units have been through entitlement for permitting.

1255
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:41,660
I think one of the things that drives cities crazy is the state required something like

1256
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:48,120
3 million new homes to be zoned by cities, which is more homes than it exists like in all of Orange County.

1257
02:09:48,340 --> 02:09:52,860
So whether or not there's even a capacity to build those homes in the state of California or

1258
02:09:52,860 --> 02:09:57,160
city's infrastructure just can handle some of those as anyone's best guess at this point.

1259
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:05,900
But it is that process, the 2,200 homes as pursuant to Reena is a strictly zoning process.

1260
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:10,120
We do report every year on the city's progress to building those.

1261
02:10:11,060 --> 02:10:18,280
The most recent one, Moises, do you recall when the most recent housing update came to council with our progress on that 2,200 was it two months ago?

1262
02:10:18,740 --> 02:10:21,660
About a couple months ago, so we'd happy to provide that information.

1263
02:10:21,660 --> 02:10:27,640
I just want to make sure everyone understands that there aren't 2,200 homes in the pipeline.

1264
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:31,700
Some of those, the majority may never get built, so we're not, we can't.

1265
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:35,140
We got one more comment from the chief, that's okay, Mayor.

1266
02:10:35,980 --> 02:10:36,500
Great, yeah.

1267
02:10:39,020 --> 02:10:39,600
Chief, welcome.

1268
02:10:40,420 --> 02:10:40,680
Thank you.

1269
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:41,300
Thanks for having me.

1270
02:10:41,580 --> 02:10:44,840
By the way, this chief of police, not chief of who are we used.

1271
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:52,080
I was responding to emails, so I didn't hear the whole question, but there was talk about

1272
02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:57,740
substation and there was the one thing I wanted to address was that maybe the belief that

1273
02:10:57,740 --> 02:11:02,020
the train line that goes through the center of our city is affecting police department

1274
02:11:02,020 --> 02:11:07,200
services and you're not going to have a police officer in an emergency so if there are any

1275
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:13,320
firemen in the room I apologize to you right now we are not the fire department so and I'll

1276
02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:20,340
explain that I'll explain that our police officers do not sit at the police station and respond

1277
02:11:20,340 --> 02:11:21,800
on to calls from the police station.

1278
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:23,880
That's essentially what firemen do.

1279
02:11:23,980 --> 02:11:25,960
They sit in the firehouse when they get a call, they deploy.

1280
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:29,080
So we have about 100 employees at the police department

1281
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:32,120
and two-thirds of those employees are always in the field.

1282
02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:35,080
So at any one time, we have 24-7 deployment.

1283
02:11:35,300 --> 02:11:37,880
There is not a time, any time,

1284
02:11:37,980 --> 02:11:41,120
where we don't have police services in the field,

1285
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:42,820
north of the tracks, south of the tracks.

1286
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:46,160
Our police officers with all the technology in their car,

1287
02:11:46,620 --> 02:11:48,420
most times when they work a 12-hour shift,

1288
02:11:48,420 --> 02:11:54,060
They leave the police department and sometimes they never come back to the police station until their shift is over so

1289
02:11:54,060 --> 02:12:00,700
We have ways around the train and we always have staff deployed in the field so that we're able to help people

1290
02:12:00,700 --> 02:12:03,200
Whatever part of the city there is so I didn't want

1291
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:09,820
People to have that misconception that we come from the police station if the train tracks are in our way. We're not going to be there

1292
02:12:10,500 --> 02:12:17,340
We have a minimum deployment of not only police officers, but community service officers our community preservation folks

1293
02:12:18,420 --> 02:12:39,600
Basically, the only people that get stuck in the police station most of the time are administration that includes me, are dispatchers and are detectives, and the rest of the 2-thirds of the police department are field people that are in the field 24-7-365 in four different sectors in the city, so we don't have a problem with not being able to get to somebody in an emergency.

1294
02:12:43,950 --> 02:12:52,110
Thank you and before you go, John, thank you for some solutions, great eye openers and fun things to explore.

1295
02:12:53,650 --> 02:13:00,830
The Equestrian Center, the city yard does have a lot of easement things to explore, but great ideas, thank you.

1296
02:13:01,470 --> 02:13:01,830
Yes, sir.

1297
02:13:02,150 --> 02:13:03,330
Hi, my name is Dwight Richards.

1298
02:13:04,370 --> 02:13:11,170
I was an employee with Fairplex for 36 years and 20 of those years, I was their chief operating officer.

1299
02:13:11,970 --> 02:13:17,170
So, in some similarities, I feel the pain that the city feels right now.

1300
02:13:17,970 --> 02:13:27,070
We had 500 acres and 60 plus buildings, most of them built in the 1930s, some built in the 1950s.

1301
02:13:27,070 --> 02:13:35,890
And we ran into some similar situations where we needed improvements to the buildings, but we had no way to raise the funds.

1302
02:13:36,670 --> 02:13:46,990
If we raised the ticket price to that was our way of taxing our customer, we would get nobody to come through the gate.

1303
02:13:46,990 --> 02:13:52,810
So we couldn't raise the price, and we couldn't just go out and

1304
02:13:53,370 --> 02:13:57,190
get more loans because we were pretty much tapped out from the finance standpoint.

1305
02:13:58,090 --> 02:14:07,470
So my point in that, all of that is that we learned how to make do with the buildings we had and how to improve them.

1306
02:14:07,630 --> 02:14:09,790
They needed roofs, they needed all kinds of things.

1307
02:14:10,630 --> 02:14:22,350
And we, in some cases, would take buildings down, but in most cases, we would keep the value of those buildings, and I think there's definitely value to this building in this structure.

1308
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:36,570
So I think, you know, heading down the road of improving the library or fixing the problems and perhaps maybe mitigating some of the rain, things, whether it be with the coverage, those things should be looked at.

1309
02:14:36,570 --> 02:14:38,110
And I know the city's been looking at that.

1310
02:14:39,050 --> 02:14:48,130
With regards to the Facilities Yard, that was a trip down memory lane for me because your Facilities Yard looks exactly like Paraplex's Facilities Yard.

1311
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:54,830
They are old barns, they are not air-conditioned or 70 plus guys.

1312
02:14:54,830 --> 02:14:54,910
Bye.

1313
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,820
These work and gals worked in those buildings and they're terrible. And if there's one regret I had in my tenure with Fairplex was that we never really did fix the facilities yard. And the reason I say that is we were highly inefficient. We could have been much more efficient in the way we deployed in the way we serviced and the way we would save money effectively with its own problems, because we got to put a new exhibit in the fairer.

1314
02:15:29,820 --> 02:15:30,940
and that's much more important.

1315
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,980
And we get that one-time bang for that one year,

1316
02:15:35,180 --> 02:15:37,920
but then our facilities are just kept degrading.

1317
02:15:38,180 --> 02:15:42,120
So what we did determine in my history

1318
02:15:42,120 --> 02:15:44,360
and when we started looking at replacement

1319
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:47,100
of the facilities yard, which would be almost identical

1320
02:15:47,100 --> 02:15:48,920
the size is what you're talking about.

1321
02:15:49,500 --> 02:15:52,300
We looked at the Claremont College's consortium.

1322
02:15:52,740 --> 02:15:55,920
They have a beautiful facility is made with a butler building

1323
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:57,560
and they were able to do it, as I recall,

1324
02:15:57,560 --> 02:16:03,320
for, this is a few years back, but between 5 and 10 million, they did a great job.

1325
02:16:04,340 --> 02:16:09,640
So I would invite you to take a look at that if you haven't, but an excellent example

1326
02:16:09,640 --> 02:16:12,380
of how to do a facilities for this type of operation.

1327
02:16:13,780 --> 02:16:19,440
So as far as how we did funding, we did a lot of funding when I can bring those topics towards

1328
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:25,140
the next discussion, but effectively we ended up using other people's money to build things

1329
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:31,100
like the conference center we we had to we had to go out and do what you're doing

1330
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:35,880
go out and talk to the to the local representatives I took numerous trips

1331
02:16:35,880 --> 02:16:40,220
back to DC Sacramento and the county administration building to try to get

1332
02:16:40,220 --> 02:16:45,840
funds to put together that 30 million dollar project so so you're you're

1333
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:49,080
heading down the right way as far as getting those funds that's a good way to go

1334
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:51,100
So thank you.

1335
02:16:51,420 --> 02:16:52,240
Thanks, Mr. Richards.

1336
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,480
OK, Michael has a comment.

1337
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:01,280
But I end in, and Tomoko has a comment.

1338
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:04,700
But I'd like to do something, or go to Michael.

1339
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:07,840
I have not seen these drawings in the concepts.

1340
02:17:08,500 --> 02:17:10,420
I don't know if anybody else in the room has.

1341
02:17:10,860 --> 02:17:12,660
I think we need to take a couple of minutes

1342
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:17,620
and get to enjoy them and see what their idea is in the vision.

1343
02:17:17,620 --> 02:17:21,020
and then that may spur some more ideas or questions.

1344
02:17:23,930 --> 02:17:26,190
Well, I want to see him before we finish a conversation.

1345
02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:34,100
Mayor, did you want to do that now or do you want to do the comment

1346
02:17:34,100 --> 02:17:35,780
by the council member and Tomoko?

1347
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:38,340
Let's do Tomoko, come back to Michael and take a minute

1348
02:17:38,340 --> 02:17:40,320
and then we'll enjoy the picture.

1349
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:40,620
It's on.

1350
02:17:42,200 --> 02:17:45,220
I just want to address Terry's comment earlier.

1351
02:17:45,900 --> 02:17:47,920
I was part of the frog committee, vice chair.

1352
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:53,080
One of the reasons why I think we scrapped the parcel tax.

1353
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:57,060
My opinion, I'm speaking as Tomoko Toll and not as part of the frog.

1354
02:17:58,100 --> 02:18:03,280
After the meeting that we had with the rest of the community,

1355
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:05,240
Mark Louera had made a comment.

1356
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:10,300
It just seemed like this parcel tax was the only thing that's being showed down our

1357
02:18:10,300 --> 02:18:12,100
throats that there was nothing else being discussed.

1358
02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:14,480
And that's, that wasn't the case.

1359
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:18,040
For a year we got together, we talked about developing the South Hills,

1360
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:20,940
more property taxes, that sort of thing.

1361
02:18:20,940 --> 02:18:24,660
but we did not do a good job messaging that to the community.

1362
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,940
There was a lot of research that was done.

1363
02:18:28,780 --> 02:18:30,800
And to me, that drove home the point.

1364
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:37,460
We really need to expand to allow more people to speak,

1365
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:41,180
and we listened, and I had to convince some of the other folks

1366
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:43,860
to take the parcel tax off.

1367
02:18:43,980 --> 02:18:46,220
Not everybody wanted to remove the parcel tax.

1368
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:48,160
A lot of folks wanted to continue on with that.

1369
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:52,380
But whether or not we would get traction is another thing.

1370
02:18:52,980 --> 02:18:56,980
But it sounds like now we're at this point because Council did listen and they wanted

1371
02:18:56,980 --> 02:19:01,260
to do these workshops to allow the rest of the community to have more input, which is

1372
02:19:01,260 --> 02:19:02,340
exactly the right thing.

1373
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:04,000
It is exactly the right thing.

1374
02:19:05,300 --> 02:19:07,840
I wanted the Cadillac that was presented.

1375
02:19:08,180 --> 02:19:11,860
I wanted the $125 million construction.

1376
02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:16,880
It was beautiful, but we're not going to have that is what it sounds like, right?

1377
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:19,380
I do, it's a good pivot now, David.

1378
02:19:19,620 --> 02:19:27,120
I want to see the, maybe this is the way we should be headed.

1379
02:19:27,540 --> 02:19:28,620
Can we afford a $10 million?

1380
02:19:29,740 --> 02:19:31,420
I'm not going to call it a bandaid.

1381
02:19:31,700 --> 02:19:32,920
I'm sure it's going to be beautiful

1382
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:34,180
because Michael knows what he's doing.

1383
02:19:34,940 --> 02:19:36,260
So I would like to see it, too.

1384
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:37,280
Thank you.

1385
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:38,880
Dr. Alamos.

1386
02:19:40,020 --> 02:19:42,340
Really quick, I want to address Mr. Rich's question.

1387
02:19:42,580 --> 02:19:44,680
We did look at our team look at the Butler building.

1388
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:50,320
In fact, our water yard up on Sarah moderate is a butler building and staff kind of back

1389
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:53,020
in the day was able to make some certain things happen.

1390
02:19:53,420 --> 02:19:57,980
Maybe not necessarily the way they would do it today, but they were able to make it happen

1391
02:19:57,980 --> 02:20:01,280
for a very reasonable price, I believe it was about 5,000 square feet.

1392
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:05,840
So we looked at it for this one, for the complex, for the drawings that we had, and it's actually

1393
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:09,780
turned out to be more than conventional construction.

1394
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:14,880
So it was great try. We went down that road and it looks like a first

1395
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:18,640
watch it wasn't going to be economical to do so. Great call because we have the

1396
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:24,620
same idea. Thank you. Great, thank you. Let's take a couple of minutes. Enjoy

1397
02:20:24,620 --> 02:20:29,460
the artist rendering and some plans and might put Mr. Matthews back on the

1398
02:20:29,460 --> 02:20:34,140
question and answer table. He's up for that. He's got nowhere to go so he's good.

1399
02:20:34,140 --> 02:20:36,760
Thank you. Take a break.

1400
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:51,780
Okay.

1401
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:57,680
After looking at some of the plans and the renditions and things,

1402
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:05,120
I think we're at a point if we have questions about those specifically, let's ask the question

1403
02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:13,220
and then bring it back for some recommendations. I'll start. I have a question and I primed Mr.

1404
02:21:17,970 --> 02:21:25,050
I'm a fan of the idea, I'm a fan of the roof and the cover, and this is degrading it

1405
02:21:25,050 --> 02:21:30,610
by my question, I'm sure, but it looks like a beautiful umbrella when an umbrella

1406
02:21:30,610 --> 02:21:31,490
keeps me dry.

1407
02:21:31,970 --> 02:21:40,310
When it solves the water problem, or do we think it will by putting a canopy on and creating

1408
02:21:40,310 --> 02:21:48,970
a beautiful community space. That's a win-win. Do we think we'll solve the water intrusion issue

1409
02:21:48,970 --> 02:21:50,410
in addressing?

1410
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:07,960
Yeah. Okay. So that was the intent is to ensure that this roof covered to the

1411
02:22:07,960 --> 02:22:14,780
exterior of the existing plaza so that we can control the water from that vantage point. It also

1412
02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:22,340
So required that it be built high enough that we could overlap, we can't connect to this building.

1413
02:22:22,360 --> 02:22:24,040
That's not structurally correct.

1414
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:33,800
But we can overlap this roof enough that any rainfall is caught in this structure and doesn't make it down onto the plaza.

1415
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:36,820
So that's the intent that we're looking at right now.

1416
02:22:36,820 --> 02:22:41,100
So wind and lateral rain and things would have a middle rain?

1417
02:22:41,100 --> 02:22:48,920
Well, it's going to be open a little bit on the side, but we're not going to have the capacity water wise that we've been having with this issue out here.

1418
02:22:49,120 --> 02:23:03,340
If you walk out here right now, there are literally dozens hundreds of cracks that run through it, mostly having to do with the way the lightweight concrete is designed.

1419
02:23:03,340 --> 02:23:07,500
And so that's a problem in the water proofing world.

1420
02:23:08,060 --> 02:23:16,180
You can't put solid across when you have interruptions in the concrete of some sort already

1421
02:23:16,180 --> 02:23:21,940
designed into it for relieving pressures from heat and that type of stuff.

1422
02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:23,140
Okay.

1423
02:23:23,380 --> 02:23:23,880
Thank you.

1424
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:25,180
Shana, you had a question?

1425
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:25,880
I do.

1426
02:23:26,220 --> 02:23:32,420
Adam or Moises, do we know definitively where the water is coming from?

1427
02:23:32,420 --> 02:23:40,500
I like this, this is beautiful, first of all, I like the style, but my concern is, you

1428
02:23:40,500 --> 02:23:45,200
know, to use the umbrella analogy, like umbrellas are fantastic, and if I'm standing under

1429
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:49,660
my big golf umbrella, my head is dry, but my feet are wet.

1430
02:23:50,120 --> 02:23:57,860
So I want to make sure that something like this actually solves the problem.

1431
02:23:57,860 --> 02:24:08,220
So do we have studies that indicate definitively that this water that we're talking about is coming from the middle of the plaza and not on the outsides?

1432
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:21,040
Because I want to I just want to make sure that like we're it's getting solved because I think for five decades everybody thought they were solving this problem and I don't want to be just another thing in that.

1433
02:24:21,940 --> 02:24:29,200
I think what what Mr. Matthews is going to say, this would solve one element of the water portion out here.

1434
02:24:29,620 --> 02:24:33,540
I think there was also mention that they would talk about water proofing.

1435
02:24:34,380 --> 02:24:37,940
Council member talked about some of the other things we obviously have.

1436
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:43,020
Dirt on the side and other things like that and I'll turn it over to you Michael.

1437
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:47,460
If you want to talk about the specific aim of this and then we can talk about other water proofing.

1438
02:24:47,460 --> 02:24:59,020
Thank you. So just to expand on what I was talking about the condition of this right here, back when I first got involved with this process, we had had a weekend of rain.

1439
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:09,280
I came over here to look and wrap my head around some of the issues and try to start to formulate an idea where we go.

1440
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:17,740
So there are weep holes that were designed into the north edge that go towards the city hall

1441
02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:20,600
and there's some also in the steps that go there.

1442
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:23,460
This was probably four days after rain.

1443
02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:29,700
There was a constant drip coming out of those or a stream actually out of those.

1444
02:25:30,060 --> 02:25:37,400
That means the entire deck has loaded to a certain effect through the cracks that exist right now

1445
02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:43,540
And the water proofer I had out here a couple of weeks ago to look at it, he reiterated.

1446
02:25:43,800 --> 02:25:48,940
Your issue is this has failed because there's all these spider cracks running through the whole top.

1447
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:50,580
So that's where it mostly comes from.

1448
02:25:50,940 --> 02:25:56,900
We do have some probably some exterior wall issues still, do we still have in the north side?

1449
02:25:57,500 --> 02:26:01,500
And that may require digging out water proofing and then back filling again.

1450
02:26:02,020 --> 02:26:10,420
Does this include water proofing and, like, under the process?

1451
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:16,500
So the intent would be to get away from worrying about any water proofing on the plaza whatsoever.

1452
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:18,740
We don't need to go to that extent.

1453
02:26:18,940 --> 02:26:27,200
Once we now have put a roof over it that will eliminate the majority of any water on top of it.

1454
02:26:28,480 --> 02:26:33,700
Now, what about the load that it could bear?

1455
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:37,560
I know that there's some issues right now with the weight that it could support.

1456
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:41,620
Does that, does your design take into account the load?

1457
02:26:41,880 --> 02:26:43,920
Well, not to that extent at this moment.

1458
02:26:44,220 --> 02:26:47,480
That's really up to the decision where we go next.

1459
02:26:48,020 --> 02:26:51,260
And then we expend the efforts to have that study done.

1460
02:26:51,800 --> 02:27:01,060
We need to design the structure and these would be designed along with the existing structure that we have and make sure that we can accommodate that.

1461
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:06,660
I feel that there is an answer in there. I just can't tell you definitively right now what that looks like.

1462
02:27:07,060 --> 02:27:08,860
So we're at like concept stage.

1463
02:27:09,020 --> 02:27:09,820
Concept stage.

1464
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:15,960
Actually, if I can add to the conversation because I think the issue, when you look at

1465
02:27:15,960 --> 02:27:21,360
the plaza, as Mr. Matthews alluded to, it's actually, it has several layers below it.

1466
02:27:21,940 --> 02:27:26,340
So it's designed, so the top layer is tile, and so there's cracks between the tile because

1467
02:27:26,340 --> 02:27:30,320
it's about, the water is supposed to infiltrate, it's supposed to collect below it and move

1468
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:36,040
it off to the side and then out, the holes with the water will come out.

1469
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:42,400
So it's tile, there's the light concrete, there's some metal sheaving in the light concrete

1470
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:48,940
to help what was done in 2003, 2004 to help it prevent cracks below it is the weather-proofing

1471
02:27:48,940 --> 02:27:53,300
membrane, which is a polymer or, you know, has a wave-saving plastic material.

1472
02:27:53,860 --> 02:27:59,160
And then there is concrete, which is essentially the ceiling of the floor below us.

1473
02:27:59,480 --> 02:28:03,480
So there's multiple levels below that plaza area.

1474
02:28:03,480 --> 02:28:11,140
Yeah, so it was designed basically for the water to infiltrate push it off to the site and then out into kind of a receptacle areas away from the building.

1475
02:28:13,490 --> 02:28:24,590
There's actually, and if I just may add, there's actually quite a bit when we went through and in the library staff identified some additional surveys that were done in 83 and 88, 1983 and 1988.

1476
02:28:25,150 --> 02:28:34,230
You want to talk a little bit about there, there's something that has not been tested that we've talked to the council about is the space between city hall basement.

1477
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:56,000
a voice us in the library and and their thought that there could be some legacy water damage or intrusion in that occasion to we had been operating under the assumption that the wall of the library touches kind of the footing of city hall so that there was no space between the two buildings the reality is that there is space there.

1478
02:28:56,000 --> 02:29:02,420
and below it is dirt and so if water is being infiltrated and being pushed in

1479
02:29:02,420 --> 02:29:06,740
that direction it likely that it's infiltrating that area so the question

1480
02:29:06,740 --> 02:29:10,500
then becomes well where is that water going? Is it just being retained in

1481
02:29:10,500 --> 02:29:15,780
that space in that soil or is it actually dissipating off to the sides? Well a good

1482
02:29:15,780 --> 02:29:18,680
indication of what might be happening is the fact that it's actually seeping

1483
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:21,860
through the walls where we've had to waterproof the walls at least on the

1484
02:29:21,860 --> 02:29:26,820
inside to be able to keep the water from coming out more recently along the

1485
02:29:26,820 --> 02:29:30,460
Glendora Avenue frontage where we have that beautiful landscape. We had that

1486
02:29:30,460 --> 02:29:33,780
same very issue where the water from the landscaping was actually seeping

1487
02:29:33,780 --> 02:29:39,920
through the wall and damaging the carpet inside and the bookshelves and

1488
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:43,860
damaging books as well. So there's some things that we need to do in addition to

1489
02:29:43,860 --> 02:29:48,080
that to make the basically waterproof the building from the sides so it'll be

1490
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:52,220
part of the concept that we would have to explore a little bit further.

1491
02:30:01,620 --> 02:30:04,520
Comment over here next, Mr. Matthews.

1492
02:30:13,540 --> 02:30:18,600
What was the estimate again for this rendering, Michael?

1493
02:30:22,420 --> 02:30:38,840
It's going to take a little bit more. So this is concept. I put a figure of $10 million on that, but that's with a lot of caveats because part of it is we have to fix the fixture structure underneath, get it out of play entirely.

1494
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:44,700
And then we have to put that structure and that's new structure together into a cohesive.

1495
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:51,940
So I would anticipate that $10 million is going to take care of fair amount of things on our list, including this.

1496
02:30:52,480 --> 02:30:57,540
The goal would be is at the same time handle all the issues that the library has.

1497
02:30:58,020 --> 02:31:08,620
And if we can get a $10 million fund running, I bet Adam and his staff would be very intuitive in finding some additional dollars to help finish up.

1498
02:31:09,620 --> 02:31:22,060
I was asking just to put that in relation to the deck and the Paseo that had already been proposed that would add extra square footage because it seems that we still need more square footage.

1499
02:31:23,260 --> 02:31:35,700
And then we don't know about if there's going to be weight issues, you know, Shauna's question because with the deck from what I read is the additional footings could actually take away space.

1500
02:31:35,700 --> 02:31:42,280
usable space from circulation, which I don't know that that's always positive when we've

1501
02:31:42,280 --> 02:31:47,080
already got a smaller library, so I was just trying to kind of wrap my head around what's

1502
02:31:47,080 --> 02:31:48,520
really going on with it, so thank you.

1503
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:53,140
Just for clarity related to the footings, the footings are actually below ground.

1504
02:31:53,980 --> 02:32:01,140
So we would have to basically cut into the four of the library, dig a little bit and expand

1505
02:32:01,140 --> 02:32:03,800
the size of the footings to be able to accommodate it.

1506
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:08,860
So technically, it won't necessarily impact the space above ground level.

1507
02:32:17,230 --> 02:32:22,630
I think that meant, yeah, depending on the work that we need to do to shore up some of the walls

1508
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:28,350
and that sort of thing, it may require us to widen the wall or do a shear what's called a shear wall.

1509
02:32:28,670 --> 02:32:32,550
So it may impact some areas, but it won't impact all of the areas there.

1510
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:42,430
It's possible, but I don't think it's to the level that you might think.

1511
02:32:46,460 --> 02:32:48,520
sure it

1512
02:32:55,300 --> 02:33:06,160
probably is comparison to those tables stacked against that wall if that yeah as a total if I may

1513
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:11,400
one of the original studies that we have the plaza is supposed to be able to hold I believe at

1514
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:14,480
him 18 semi trucks the weight of it

1515
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:22,640
it may well it's actually supposed to be able to hold three rows of

1516
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,920
We have F-150 stacked on top of each other.

1517
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:30,460
We limit it because of some of the deficiencies to 1,000 people at an event.

1518
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:35,040
We could have 2,000, about 2,500 people just stand still out there.

1519
02:33:35,460 --> 02:33:43,820
But when you have an event, music and dancing movement, we've limited it to 500 to 1,000 people because of those deficiencies.

1520
02:33:44,240 --> 02:33:47,160
The assessments, the previous work in 2003 and

1521
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:49,500
for aim to fix a lot of that work.

1522
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:53,160
Some of the underlying issues from the 1988 report still

1523
02:33:53,160 --> 02:33:57,340
exists today, the 2026 report that we talked about

1524
02:33:57,340 --> 02:34:01,220
talks about or explains some of the other improvements

1525
02:34:01,220 --> 02:34:03,600
including in this building, a shear wall in here,

1526
02:34:04,320 --> 02:34:06,520
to align with some of the work previously done,

1527
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:08,840
as well as some anchoring and some roof repairs,

1528
02:34:09,460 --> 02:34:13,120
as well as strengthening and enlarging of the footings,

1529
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:15,280
it could be that if council has a path that they wanna,

1530
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:22,040
incorporate some of the patio structure or covering there that those

1531
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:25,220
footings need to be even larger than they are but that would require some

1532
02:34:25,220 --> 02:34:33,740
additional analysis. The only other comment I would add is we set up a page on

1533
02:34:33,740 --> 02:34:38,300
our website where every single document that we possess relative to the library

1534
02:34:38,300 --> 02:34:43,920
has been posted so if anyone that can't fall asleep tonight please feel free to

1535
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:48,760
go on to that website, it shows all of it, we published as much of it that we could,

1536
02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:55,760
but it's the engineering studies, it's down to permits for bathroom renovations, from

1537
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:58,720
dating back from the 1960s all the way to present day.

1538
02:35:01,740 --> 02:35:02,780
Mayor, we have a comment back here?

1539
02:35:03,100 --> 02:35:03,580
Yes, please.

1540
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:09,020
I've kind of a financing kind of a process question.

1541
02:35:09,800 --> 02:35:14,700
It sounds like the design looks great, maybe $10 million maybe a little bit more.

1542
02:35:14,700 --> 02:35:19,540
the public works yard 10 million to 15 and the numbers we've heard tonight is

1543
02:35:19,540 --> 02:35:24,840
that we have a question for 10 maybe 8 million of one-time funds in the future so

1544
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:29,180
there's still a gap so if you have to come to the citizens what does that cost

1545
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:35,440
how long does it take and I guess that's more of a question for staff but to put

1546
02:35:35,440 --> 02:35:40,580
something on a ballot in the year to know what's it cost and what would

1547
02:35:40,580 --> 02:35:42,560
What would that look like if you had to do it?

1548
02:35:43,220 --> 02:35:46,840
I'm an optimist, but when pessimism sneaks

1549
02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:47,820
and I'm just curious.

1550
02:35:48,200 --> 02:35:49,780
Sure, I think that's a great question.

1551
02:35:50,700 --> 02:35:52,360
But there's a lot of variables, right?

1552
02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:54,520
So we first have to make a decision

1553
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:56,220
as to what it is that we want to do

1554
02:35:56,220 --> 02:35:58,960
so that we have a precise dollar figure as to what

1555
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:00,720
that will cost, right?

1556
02:36:00,820 --> 02:36:03,360
If we move forward with a shade structure,

1557
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:06,860
if we do the structural work, if we do some of the MEP improvements

1558
02:36:06,860 --> 02:36:08,440
to the building, we need to look at somewhere

1559
02:36:08,440 --> 02:36:10,400
we're between $2,000,000 and $1,000,000.

1560
02:36:11,540 --> 02:36:13,560
With some level of modernization,

1561
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:19,400
now you're talking about roughly $15 million for easy math.

1562
02:36:19,900 --> 02:36:22,440
Let's say $15 million for the corp year, that's $30 million.

1563
02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:25,500
Then we start deducting what we're able to secure

1564
02:36:25,500 --> 02:36:29,380
through state budget allocations or federal budget allocations

1565
02:36:29,380 --> 02:36:32,160
and then whatever the delta is related to that.

1566
02:36:32,680 --> 02:36:34,900
So I think backing into that number,

1567
02:36:34,980 --> 02:36:36,380
I don't have that number off the top of my head,

1568
02:36:36,380 --> 02:36:41,900
but it's something that we would we could possibly calculate kind of the share what that looks like.

1569
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:54,870
Okay. I want to thank you all for your engagement. It's been remarkable. I think now it needs to come

1570
02:36:54,870 --> 02:37:03,130
back and have some needed discussion and some ideas. I've got a couple ideas but I want to see what

1571
02:37:03,130 --> 02:37:08,630
the rest of the colleagues want to do or think about doing. We need to get some direction to staff.

1572
02:37:09,870 --> 02:37:11,450
Can we come up with some direction,

1573
02:37:15,050 --> 02:37:15,610
can we?

1574
02:37:20,730 --> 02:37:29,110
Yes. I'm willing to make a motion, but my, well, first of all, I just want to say thank you

1575
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:42,770
again for being here. Your civil way of expressing thoughts has been great, encouraging.

1576
02:37:43,010 --> 02:37:50,650
and affirming. And so thank you for that. Michael, thank you for everything that you've

1577
02:37:50,650 --> 02:37:50,850
done.

1578
02:37:52,970 --> 02:37:56,610
I told Michael in front of her

1579
02:37:59,170 --> 02:38:05,680
team here that I that I could support this if it didn't

1580
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:17,900
leak. And because I attempted to support that leakage problem, and it's never worked.

1581
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:26,400
But thank you for all of the expertise and the ideas that you've had. My ideas would

1582
02:38:26,400 --> 02:38:37,920
be to direct staff to continue to refine the plans for library and for the corp yard.

1583
02:38:39,620 --> 02:38:52,260
And to continue to pursue grant funding from both the state, the federal government, and

1584
02:38:52,260 --> 02:38:57,320
to report back by November the 10th with an update.

1585
02:38:58,300 --> 02:39:00,500
November the 10th is the only meeting

1586
02:39:00,500 --> 02:39:01,920
that we have that month.

1587
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,860
And I don't think that we'll know anything

1588
02:39:05,860 --> 02:39:07,780
from the state as per Jack,

1589
02:39:08,580 --> 02:39:13,600
but we might know a little bit of inside baseball

1590
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:17,660
from our senator in terms of what she's hearing

1591
02:39:17,660 --> 02:39:21,440
and the conversations that she's had.

1592
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:30,960
So to answer your question, that would be my sense of instructing you to do.

1593
02:39:31,420 --> 02:39:32,440
I would second that.

1594
02:39:33,060 --> 02:39:34,800
Well, I can make that.

1595
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:36,140
Can I get one piece of clear?

1596
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:38,460
That's Kathleen's fault.

1597
02:39:38,980 --> 02:39:39,100
Yeah.

1598
02:39:40,460 --> 02:39:44,540
Can I get one piece of clarification on the further refinement part in mayor?

1599
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:46,000
Maybe that's part of the commentaries.

1600
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:50,920
When we talk about further refinement in order to get that further refinement, some

1601
02:39:50,920 --> 02:39:56,480
any comments or general direction the council has about what's included in that refinement

1602
02:39:56,480 --> 02:40:04,680
is it that we want to look at repairs to this facility, is it we want to look at something

1603
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:12,200
different like a new facility, is it to keep the current square footage, is it incorporation

1604
02:40:12,200 --> 02:40:17,060
of shade structures? Are we talking about only some of the structural improvements?

1605
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:21,860
Are we talking about mechanical electrical plumbing? Are we talking about space renovations?

1606
02:40:21,880 --> 02:40:25,220
I think any additional details would help us with that refinement.

1607
02:40:25,500 --> 02:40:33,420
My thought would be to instruct Michael to come back, refine what he has done.

1608
02:40:33,780 --> 02:40:40,640
He just said that he didn't just say this, but I'm interpreting what he said

1609
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:52,460
that he's got some hanging chads here with some of his experts and I would like to have

1610
02:40:52,460 --> 02:41:01,180
as close of a guess from him and from the architect that's working with our corp yard

1611
02:41:01,180 --> 02:41:03,700
as to what the money is.

1612
02:41:04,740 --> 02:41:10,760
Now, I would leave the electrical, the pumping,

1613
02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:14,260
the plumbing, the lighting, all of those things

1614
02:41:14,260 --> 02:41:19,720
that you just said to staff, because that's not

1615
02:41:19,720 --> 02:41:23,580
in my lane to think about, although I

1616
02:41:23,580 --> 02:41:27,180
see what you're wanting, and I would affirm that.

1617
02:41:27,180 --> 02:41:56,240
But keep the house that we have, improve it, don't add to it, you know, some of those thoughts, but try to refine what Michael has shown us here, and then the architect that I think has done drawings for our, you know, corp, corp yard, and see if that's, if that's really

1618
02:41:56,240 --> 02:42:05,440
the most efficient building and ancillary stuff that we that we need there maybe that can

1619
02:42:05,440 --> 02:42:16,960
be cut down by by a fourth you know I don't know but but have us some sense by 1110 as to what

1620
02:42:16,960 --> 02:42:26,120
what the new envisioned projects look like and then what is the best cost that you're thinking

1621
02:42:26,980 --> 02:42:29,880
and I'm only speaking for me, so I'll be quiet.

1622
02:42:31,440 --> 02:42:32,420
Michael, second.

1623
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:35,340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

1624
02:42:37,970 --> 02:42:38,770
I'm trying to do that.

1625
02:42:40,330 --> 02:42:41,350
Okay, Karen?

1626
02:42:41,450 --> 02:42:47,970
Yeah, I guess to back up a little bit that, you know,

1627
02:42:48,190 --> 02:42:53,290
when my 2005 Ford freestyle was approaching 200,000 miles

1628
02:42:53,290 --> 02:42:56,330
and needed repairs, I had that choice.

1629
02:42:56,330 --> 02:43:06,930
Do I go ahead and you know make repairs and still I'm stuck with my old car or do I bite the bullet have a car payment and have a newer car

1630
02:43:07,530 --> 02:43:14,990
It sounds like from the feedback we've got tonight that there isn't quite that appetite except for a few folks to

1631
02:43:14,990 --> 02:43:19,330
plunge in and buy that new building even though I

1632
02:43:20,710 --> 02:43:25,230
Feel like that would be a better approach looking into the future

1633
02:43:25,230 --> 02:43:32,950
but if we're staying with this building, I would like this building to not only fix

1634
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:39,610
those repairs beginning with the structural and then the leakage and see I love

1635
02:43:39,610 --> 02:43:45,550
the idea because in 2021 we had this dream of this cover and we're looking at

1636
02:43:45,550 --> 02:43:52,030
that but then ran into the structural issues. So if this can be done, one of the

1637
02:43:52,030 --> 02:43:58,150
concerns that I have and the library of the future is having more community space.

1638
02:43:58,790 --> 02:44:04,730
And Mr. Matthews, you know very well that it's a little warm at on that plaza in in July.

1639
02:44:05,790 --> 02:44:11,590
So is this beautiful canopy going to provide a community space that has heating, air conditioning

1640
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:13,650
can be used all different times.

1641
02:44:13,650 --> 02:44:20,690
So that's my only concern that I love this and it does allow for more community space that

1642
02:44:20,690 --> 02:44:28,610
Glendora desperately needs, but just trying to think what else can we do to add some more

1643
02:44:28,610 --> 02:44:36,230
community space? So maybe this is it, but maybe it needs to be something else. I would like to see

1644
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:45,510
at reconfiguring the building as it is now downstairs, to be a space that is the library of the future,

1645
02:44:46,190 --> 02:44:54,390
that if we're going to stay here, how can we make it more usable that just fixing

1646
02:44:54,390 --> 02:44:54,970
see what we have.

1647
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:27,500
We have and say, okay, we're done, that I don't think that's fair to future generations. I think that we need to not only fix it and make it not leak and be structurally sound, but we need to do those basic infrastructure of plumbing, heating, air conditioning, all that good stuff, but also look at its use and what we want to see happen. So to me, that is important.

1648
02:45:27,500 --> 02:45:37,800
But yeah, sure, let's make it not leak, but we need to look farther than just that as to what we want to have happen in this space.

1649
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:46,780
So if that beautiful design right there and those AI photos, that looks great. I want to have a party out there.

1650
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:53,800
But is that going to serve us in the best way possible and meet all those needs?

1651
02:45:53,800 --> 02:45:55,820
So that would be my question.

1652
02:45:55,940 --> 02:45:58,360
If it could do some of that stuff, great,

1653
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:02,060
then that's a great start and it helps with the rain issue.

1654
02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:06,100
But I want to look at what those functions are going to be

1655
02:46:06,540 --> 02:46:08,280
and how we could address that.

1656
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:11,440
So that would be my hope for the library.

1657
02:46:12,300 --> 02:46:16,720
The corporate yard, I appreciated that Mr. Lane had some ideas.

1658
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:21,580
I don't think everyone understands possibly that our corporate yard

1659
02:46:21,580 --> 02:46:29,380
Not only has all those buildings and facilities. It's also where our fuel tanks are so trying to move those is a little trickier than

1660
02:46:29,380 --> 02:46:34,700
Yeah, let's just move shop and go down the street because there's cleanup of the old site

1661
02:46:35,700 --> 02:46:42,760
Whether or not folks right off of Glendor amount road want those fuel tanks because there are homes there

1662
02:46:42,760 --> 02:46:46,720
Yeah, maybe there's hillside on one side, but there's homes on other sides

1663
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:58,720
So there's a lot to that so I think staying where it currently is more centralized in the city for all of our city vehicles and workers to get to is a good location.

1664
02:46:59,320 --> 02:47:10,240
So looking at phasing those repairs that we've talked about because workshop three, that's why when you said November 10th, I'm like well what just happened to workshop three and funding did you just throw that out the window?

1665
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:26,240
Because to me, having more of those conversations at workshop 3 about funding and how if we do the phasing and look at these things that need to be done to the library, how can we look at the funding to make that happen.

1666
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:33,380
And I just want to reiterate what Chief Randazzo said for anybody listening and having any

1667
02:47:33,380 --> 02:47:39,980
other ideas that our police officers are 10-8, they're not sitting in the station, that

1668
02:47:39,980 --> 02:47:42,600
they are out on the streets patrolling.

1669
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:48,940
And so if you need them any time of day, they are south of the tracks, north of the tracks,

1670
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:55,080
to the east of the west, they're all over so that people can be assured that they are

1671
02:47:55,080 --> 02:48:04,240
available. So that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Karen. Shana. Thank you. I concur with everything, Karen.

1672
02:48:04,600 --> 02:48:12,800
Just said, and I'll expand on that a little bit as well. I really like these drawings, but I wonder

1673
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:25,060
a couple things. Like, could we go a little further with this? Like, are we restricted to just talking

1674
02:48:25,060 --> 02:48:32,920
about a shade structure. Why aren't we discussing enclosing the patio out here and making it a second

1675
02:48:32,920 --> 02:48:39,440
story, expanding the square footage of the building to get that some of the things that a library

1676
02:48:39,440 --> 02:48:51,040
of the future might need. It would help mitigate the leaking. We could talk about redoing the structural

1677
02:48:51,040 --> 02:49:00,040
part and then maybe moving the concept of an open-air patio with the cover or something so

1678
02:49:00,040 --> 02:49:04,780
like the parking lot and then moving the parking lot across the street with a parking structure.

1679
02:49:05,420 --> 02:49:14,000
I mean so it's like a hybrid concept of what this is versus what you know the frog had talked

1680
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:19,480
about and you know some of the visioning that was done you know so maybe it's not as expensive.

1681
02:49:19,480 --> 02:49:23,340
if it's not $125 million, but maybe it's somewhere in between.

1682
02:49:24,040 --> 02:49:29,640
And then in terms of funding, I would personally like staff to come back with some options

1683
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:36,200
on public-private partnerships because, you know, a library needs a coffee shop.

1684
02:49:36,660 --> 02:49:41,860
And so if Starbucks wants to pay us to sit in, you know, with a coffee shop in a library

1685
02:49:41,860 --> 02:49:48,880
or a cafe or something, like if we can generate some income to help pay for this or

1686
02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:55,540
or what are options in terms of, you know, I like the idea of Glendora owning our library.

1687
02:49:55,660 --> 02:50:03,260
I don't want the county in here any more than they need to be, you know, but maybe some

1688
02:50:03,260 --> 02:50:10,800
housing on top or below, I don't know, I want to options on the funding of this because

1689
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:16,500
I think the project can get better if there's other funds coming in.

1690
02:50:16,500 --> 02:50:21,580
So I don't want to say, like, oh, I do really like this and good job, Michael.

1691
02:50:23,140 --> 02:50:27,440
I almost think it could be a little bit better within our little area right here.

1692
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:33,220
And not as expensive and not all a burden on taxpayers.

1693
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:39,100
So I think there is some kind of refining of things to do.

1694
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:45,320
So, you know, I like your motion, but I personally want staff to bring back some ideas

1695
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:52,200
before I commit to like exactly what I want because I want to know, you know, what

1696
02:50:52,860 --> 02:50:56,200
somebody can bring to the table, I guess.

1697
02:50:59,050 --> 02:51:04,130
Gary, was there an appetite when you were doing, you know, when you were discussing

1698
02:51:04,130 --> 02:51:07,290
with the community, I mean, you were talking about like $125 million,

1699
02:51:07,290 --> 02:51:11,650
Would there have been an appetite at $50 million or $60 million?

1700
02:51:13,010 --> 02:51:14,370
It was

1701
02:51:19,260 --> 02:51:20,320
just, no.

1702
02:51:29,570 --> 02:51:33,510
I wonder if there is an appetite for something less.

1703
02:51:35,410 --> 02:51:40,070
That number was out there, and I don't know why that even came from.

1704
02:51:40,630 --> 02:51:43,750
But it's a scary number, and I get it.

1705
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:47,270
I wonder if there is an appetite for less.

1706
02:51:47,270 --> 02:52:06,470
I believe the $125 million was the concept of the entire campus revisit or city hall, plaza area, police department, 50,000 foot library with community space maker space.

1707
02:52:06,470 --> 02:52:12,530
And I would just add on that front that's exactly correct mayor and in that project the library portion

1708
02:52:13,470 --> 02:52:20,130
For that new facility was like 43 million 44 million and the

1709
02:52:21,630 --> 02:52:30,370
MHP analysis and visioning was like 41 and some change so those two were pretty consistent for an expanded library

1710
02:52:30,370 --> 02:52:38,540
There's a couple of things as Council debates for consideration amongst your conversation

1711
02:52:38,540 --> 02:52:43,920
and direction to staff this evening is, if we're going to go out and get some additional

1712
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:49,820
structural analysis done based on an expanded facility, we're likely going to need some authorization

1713
02:52:49,820 --> 02:52:55,540
this evening in the form of a purchase order and come back with Council with an amended agreement

1714
02:52:55,540 --> 02:53:02,900
it for MHP or some of our other vendors and the things we're talking

1715
02:53:02,900 --> 02:53:06,640
tonight are worthwhile. The library and public works corporate yard are

1716
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:11,260
incredibly important to operations in the city. These types of soft costs, as

1717
02:53:11,260 --> 02:53:14,880
we've talked about this evening, are expensive. It's not a cheap endeavor. And so

1718
02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:19,780
doing the analysis to get a better update on something, what a comprehensive

1719
02:53:19,780 --> 02:53:24,940
patio cover really sort of in closing, but not really of the facility is,

1720
02:53:24,940 --> 02:53:33,920
is going to cost money. I think we were just briefly talking would encourage use the current vendor we had since they did all the current structural assessments anyway.

1721
02:53:34,120 --> 02:53:37,440
It's probably a much cheaper endeavor to get some of those updates.

1722
02:53:38,380 --> 02:53:48,680
Happy to work with anyone to get updates or intentions, but also at the same time too as it relates to alternatives.

1723
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:59,060
You know, it is possible for staff to come back and talk at workshop three, what a more comprehensive public, public, private partnership.

1724
02:53:59,180 --> 02:54:04,280
I would only say that some, there's a library in Santa Cruz, is that correct?

1725
02:54:05,020 --> 02:54:09,460
It has a housing component in some commercial with a library, but it's a smaller library than was there before.

1726
02:54:09,460 --> 02:54:19,020
So if the goal is for an expansion, I think we are talking about things now in the 20-ish

1727
02:54:19,020 --> 02:54:24,460
million range when we talk about the comprehensive updates and changes, and not that that's a

1728
02:54:24,460 --> 02:54:26,620
bad number, it's just a larger number.

1729
02:54:26,740 --> 02:54:34,520
And so as you give staff direction, any sort of ideas you would like us to come back with,

1730
02:54:34,520 --> 02:54:57,100
For example, what does, what's a better cost estimate with a comprehensive proposal to fix the structural issues look at a patio structure, water proofing modernization efforts, we can do that we can come back, I don't know about the November date, but we can press as hard as we can.

1731
02:54:57,100 --> 02:55:02,200
But we can, for Workshop 3, when we talk about amounts, if Council gives us direction,

1732
02:55:02,380 --> 02:55:06,280
we can ballpark some of these costs and talk about funding alternatives for those, and

1733
02:55:06,280 --> 02:55:11,240
we can provide additional information and examples of what a private public partnership

1734
02:55:11,240 --> 02:55:11,900
looks like.

1735
02:55:12,140 --> 02:55:17,780
It could be as simple as trying to offset some of the costs with some revenue by having a

1736
02:55:17,780 --> 02:55:18,440
commercial space.

1737
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:23,220
That was something envisioned as part of the Civic Center process, right?

1738
02:55:23,340 --> 02:55:25,600
There was a commercial kitchen space down below in the first floor.

1739
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:33,560
It could also be as complex of land ownership changes in building and you get something in return for providing land to a developer.

1740
02:55:33,880 --> 02:55:37,840
So those can be very detailed.

1741
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:46,800
It can be intense in the details and options and so but we are happy to provide that level of information.

1742
02:55:46,800 --> 02:56:06,000
But I think mayor first and foremost, if we can get some more specific directions, we can do a much better job of providing you with those are just know that some of these will comes with the price tag and and visiting exercises is one thing actual structural analysis assumptions or is another set altogether.

1743
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:14,800
I just, you know, for me, it is, it's important that whatever we do, we're not only resolving

1744
02:56:14,800 --> 02:56:21,800
an issue in terms of water intrusion and structural issues, but that we are taking into account

1745
02:56:21,800 --> 02:56:26,500
that there is a big portion of this community who's going to be here for many decades into

1746
02:56:26,500 --> 02:56:27,040
the future.

1747
02:56:27,300 --> 02:56:34,220
And whatever we spend now, I want it to be a smart spend into the future.

1748
02:56:34,220 --> 02:56:54,640
I mean, you know, if we're going to be doing a lot of this work, you know, it might be a slightly bigger price tag, but if we can extend the life of the building in that process, that's important to me, and I think that's probably important to a big portion of the community.

1749
02:56:54,640 --> 02:57:04,960
So, you know, I don't know what the appetite is for everybody else or what, you know, we want to have staff come back with, but that's important to me.

1750
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:24,160
I appreciate that. I would just throw out mayor if the council desires to, once there was some coal lessing around an option, we could also, once we have an idea of what that looks like, we could also do additional polling of the community, it's never a bad time, you know, to do some of that scientifically valid polling, whether it is type of facility or different things like that.

1751
02:57:24,160 --> 02:57:26,420
that we're happy to look at that option too.

1752
02:57:27,020 --> 02:57:27,660
Thank you.

1753
02:57:27,860 --> 02:57:30,600
I can chime in just a minute.

1754
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:38,520
My thoughts, I support the big vision thing,

1755
02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:42,940
so if that didn't make it for the futures.

1756
02:57:44,420 --> 02:57:47,340
I think that maintaining this facility

1757
02:57:47,980 --> 02:57:50,420
is the option that seems to be in the appetite

1758
02:57:50,420 --> 02:57:53,720
that the community has shared in what we've heard.

1759
02:57:53,720 --> 02:58:03,920
so far over the last six months, excuse me, so I certainly can embrace fixing the patio

1760
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:09,920
if it's a guarantee that we're going to not get water indoors. The canopy option is,

1761
02:58:10,140 --> 02:58:16,200
I'm a fan, updating the building with all the mechanical things. If you're going to go there,

1762
02:58:16,340 --> 02:58:19,680
you might as well make it right. Don't leave stuff to be done. That's crazy.

1763
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:30,680
And finish those projects to make it usable space, then with the library staff's creativity,

1764
02:58:31,720 --> 02:58:38,240
they might be able to make maker spaces and tomorrow's library out of what's there, moving

1765
02:58:38,240 --> 02:58:39,000
shelving around.

1766
02:58:39,280 --> 02:58:46,160
And gee, if they're not having to evacuate space for water intrusions and the waterfall features,

1767
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:49,940
they might have more space for those creative new things.

1768
02:58:50,620 --> 02:58:54,280
So I'd love to see that if it involves some structural obviously,

1769
02:58:54,540 --> 02:58:58,160
some structural assessment to see if this kind of a vision is practical

1770
02:58:58,160 --> 02:59:02,220
and then we need to budget for that and do so.

1771
02:59:03,300 --> 02:59:08,660
The corporate yard, if I think it's a good way,

1772
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:13,720
is the move, an idea, the equestrian site was brought up,

1773
02:59:13,720 --> 02:59:24,340
But I think I know there's enough county and federal landowners on that thing that involve flood control that that's probably not really ours to play with.

1774
02:59:25,320 --> 02:59:33,980
Oh, that would be difficult, but the corporate yard where it is, I think we need to face that and go after it through the program.

1775
02:59:34,960 --> 02:59:41,040
as we say and if there's a talk about fuel tanks, today's world you don't

1776
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:44,940
put fuel tanks in the ground. You put them above ground for our type of fleet

1777
02:59:44,940 --> 02:59:49,360
service and you have whales come in and refill them as needed so that you don't

1778
02:59:49,360 --> 02:59:53,660
have that ground issue. That's just the fleet stuff.

1779
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,800
Corporate, we can't ignore that. I think we need to move on that, phase it, host a little more, but get going on it and go with the library as little tweaks to the plan. But I think we need to give that direction so that you guys have something. The future vision and sizing and things, that's neat, that's fun. But I don't think the community has that community has that appetite. Even if you pull them, I don't see it.

1780
03:00:29,800 --> 03:00:33,780
I don't feel it, I help Michael.

1781
03:00:35,260 --> 03:00:37,520
David, I agree with everything you just said.

1782
03:00:37,860 --> 03:00:42,360
I want to go back with the comment about closing off the patio.

1783
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:47,780
That was made open for our loads, and then we have a problem with the substructure underneath.

1784
03:00:48,340 --> 03:00:49,520
So that's really not an option.

1785
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:53,480
I'm not a fan of a P3, it's just not something I would ever want to go to.

1786
03:00:53,940 --> 03:00:57,680
I've been involved with them before, and I don't think it's wise for our city for a P3.

1787
03:00:57,680 --> 03:01:02,840
But with everything that David had mentioned going forward, I think it's a wise move.

1788
03:01:03,060 --> 03:01:04,260
We have to work within our means.

1789
03:01:04,360 --> 03:01:09,520
We've heard that not only this tonight, but also throughout the situation with the parcel

1790
03:01:09,520 --> 03:01:14,720
tax and things of that nature that, you know, the committee wants us to work within our

1791
03:01:14,720 --> 03:01:14,980
means.

1792
03:01:15,240 --> 03:01:18,600
I believe that we should go off and go get whatever grants we can, whether it's state,

1793
03:01:18,780 --> 03:01:20,700
federal, county, whatever it is.

1794
03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:22,440
I think we should work down that road.

1795
03:01:22,740 --> 03:01:26,840
But I think David, I think you encapsulate it well to piggyback on what Mendel just said.

1796
03:01:26,840 --> 03:01:28,980
I think that's the direction that we should be going.

1797
03:01:29,400 --> 03:01:33,200
So just to make sure that we're hearing right,

1798
03:01:34,240 --> 03:01:37,200
or at least I'm hearing right, Valerie,

1799
03:01:37,540 --> 03:01:39,700
Moises, feel free to jump in here at any time,

1800
03:01:41,720 --> 03:01:42,840
that-

1801
03:01:42,840 --> 03:01:45,020
Let me clarify, three public,

1802
03:01:50,630 --> 03:01:52,550
E3 public private partnership.

1803
03:01:52,930 --> 03:01:53,210
That's correct.

1804
03:01:53,350 --> 03:01:57,050
E3, can you expand on your, the concern with it?

1805
03:01:57,310 --> 03:02:00,490
Just, I'm curious what your-

1806
03:02:00,490 --> 03:02:02,850
is the complexity and it's the ownership,

1807
03:02:03,090 --> 03:02:06,670
it's taking space away from the footprint of the library

1808
03:02:06,670 --> 03:02:08,170
and it could expand and cost.

1809
03:02:09,410 --> 03:02:11,590
And I don't think that's what the public would want.

1810
03:02:11,950 --> 03:02:13,310
They want us to work within our means,

1811
03:02:13,310 --> 03:02:15,830
within this, they want us to own the library,

1812
03:02:15,910 --> 03:02:16,790
they want it for themselves.

1813
03:02:17,250 --> 03:02:19,150
I don't think they want to have it complicated

1814
03:02:19,150 --> 03:02:21,610
with other commercial entities within the footprint.

1815
03:02:22,630 --> 03:02:23,610
Like a coffee shop?

1816
03:02:23,970 --> 03:02:24,630
Oh, I think so.

1817
03:02:24,990 --> 03:02:26,310
We can put a coffee shop down there

1818
03:02:26,310 --> 03:02:27,630
in the friends room if you want, right now.

1819
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:44,560
just just so make sure I'm hearing correctly on the rehab. The comprehensive and I would I guess I would call it more of a renovation project than rehab but

1820
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:58,300
taking a look at all the structural assessments identified in the 2026 report identified look at any of the any instructional assessments not mentioned in 26 that are also included in the 23 MHP report.

1821
03:02:59,400 --> 03:03:10,660
look at updated analysis for what a patio structure looks like. Look at costs associated

1822
03:03:10,660 --> 03:03:17,180
or the additional strengthening if necessary needed with that, especially as it relates

1823
03:03:17,180 --> 03:03:24,680
to the footings down below. Take a look at, I assume some of the visioning exercises both

1824
03:03:24,680 --> 03:03:30,820
from the Civic Center and the 2023 MHP report, which talks about the type of activities

1825
03:03:30,820 --> 03:03:35,740
that users want to see in a modern library and look at the existing footprint and figure

1826
03:03:35,740 --> 03:03:40,060
out how to modernize some of that stuff as well, is that what we're also hearing?

1827
03:03:41,440 --> 03:03:41,940
Yes.

1828
03:03:42,580 --> 03:03:42,840
Okay.

1829
03:03:43,500 --> 03:03:49,000
So, and if all those things, when we get that analysis, our goal is to come out then with

1830
03:03:49,000 --> 03:03:54,660
a dollar figure goes without saying waterproofing and moving of land and getting some assertions

1831
03:03:54,660 --> 03:03:58,300
and looking at what guarantees would cost us if we did some of that stuff.

1832
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:05,400
Some of that stuff, if we're in the $20-ish million range, that's an okay thing.

1833
03:04:08,480 --> 03:04:10,000
You think it would push up?

1834
03:04:10,120 --> 03:04:10,840
I do not know.

1835
03:04:11,740 --> 03:04:12,400
But I do think-

1836
03:04:12,400 --> 03:04:15,700
I'm hoping to stay in the 12th, the 12th, the 12th, but-

1837
03:04:15,700 --> 03:04:16,300
I hope a lot.

1838
03:04:16,580 --> 03:04:16,880
I know.

1839
03:04:17,240 --> 03:04:17,700
Yeah, I know.

1840
03:04:19,040 --> 03:04:19,980
I don't know.

1841
03:04:20,260 --> 03:04:22,740
I'm just saying, we start adding some of these things on there.

1842
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:23,080
Okay.

1843
03:04:23,780 --> 03:04:37,980
I mean, just as a point of reference, the deck, which is kind of the addition of a second story for construction of a second floor above the plaza plus the plaza, but it was estimated at approximately $20.5 million.

1844
03:04:39,160 --> 03:04:40,880
That we kind of know as a baseline.

1845
03:04:41,520 --> 03:04:43,080
That was a closed in building.

1846
03:04:43,400 --> 03:04:43,860
That's correct.

1847
03:04:44,380 --> 03:04:45,020
That's correct.

1848
03:04:45,920 --> 03:04:48,000
Plus the deck on top of that.

1849
03:04:48,260 --> 03:04:48,620
That's great.

1850
03:04:50,810 --> 03:04:56,550
Yeah, I would hope that we'd be inside of that somewhere a whole bunch, okay?

1851
03:04:58,370 --> 03:05:02,830
Okay, so not a new facilities that we're here on a big clear.

1852
03:05:04,110 --> 03:05:04,990
Okay, perfect.

1853
03:05:05,430 --> 03:05:06,450
Don't want to lose that picture.

1854
03:05:07,250 --> 03:05:07,850
Corporate yard.

1855
03:05:11,110 --> 03:05:15,210
You want us to look at additional phasing opportunities, you want to look, you want us to

1856
03:05:15,210 --> 03:05:18,670
identify in that phase one, what the greatest needs are within phase one.

1857
03:05:19,430 --> 03:05:20,390
Do you want us to?

1858
03:05:20,390 --> 03:05:28,730
I think phase one is you identified, has to fix the infrastructure underground stuff before we can build anything.

1859
03:05:30,110 --> 03:05:33,490
So stabilize that and make the footprint right.

1860
03:05:34,370 --> 03:05:38,290
So is the request more to come because I think we know what that costs, right?

1861
03:05:38,370 --> 03:05:38,650
Or two.

1862
03:05:39,150 --> 03:05:47,810
Yeah. So is that that becomes the goal then and in in workshop three, we talk about funding and bring that that known entity forward?

1863
03:05:47,810 --> 03:05:51,470
or is it a change to that phase structure that was presented to me?

1864
03:05:52,090 --> 03:05:59,590
Well, I think you've identified that saving a couple of the buildings is not a benefit.

1865
03:06:00,110 --> 03:06:02,090
Well, that's new.

1866
03:06:03,510 --> 03:06:07,050
I would, you know, if there's an appetite for anybody else,

1867
03:06:07,150 --> 03:06:09,730
I know Michael doesn't like the idea of a public private partnership.

1868
03:06:09,930 --> 03:06:13,630
I would like those options discussed as far as funding.

1869
03:06:13,890 --> 03:06:15,350
I want to understand.

1870
03:06:15,350 --> 03:06:21,290
And not that we move forward with that, but I want to understand what that looks like financially in terms of workshop three

1871
03:06:21,290 --> 03:06:27,650
Would you like us to provide some information on in a in a general overview on what a public partner private partnership is?

1872
03:06:27,770 --> 03:06:28,790
I probably have some value.

1873
03:06:28,810 --> 03:06:29,230
Sure.

1874
03:06:30,050 --> 03:06:30,850
We can do that.

1875
03:06:34,060 --> 03:06:35,480
Hey, someone clap tonight.

1876
03:06:36,080 --> 03:06:36,780
That's a win.

1877
03:06:36,920 --> 03:06:38,420
I'll take that all night long.

1878
03:06:41,100 --> 03:06:42,220
She's like it's time to go.

1879
03:06:42,840 --> 03:06:44,040
Okay, here's the hard question.

1880
03:06:44,220 --> 03:06:47,280
Do we have enough information to have made a motion?

1881
03:07:05,540 --> 03:07:06,780
that's right sir.

1882
03:07:10,190 --> 03:07:24,270
Oh boy. I said 1110 because I knew what you were going to say. Yes. I'm not sure we can get back. We will do our very best. Honestly councilmember. And then we're kicking the can like down the road. And it won't be done.

1883
03:07:24,270 --> 03:07:26,310
that we talk about this?

1884
03:07:26,570 --> 03:07:28,590
No, I think trying to get something back

1885
03:07:28,590 --> 03:07:30,510
by November's an important aspect.

1886
03:07:30,710 --> 03:07:32,610
I think trying to get some ballpark figures

1887
03:07:32,610 --> 03:07:33,310
is an important part.

1888
03:07:34,410 --> 03:07:36,350
When we say talking about money

1889
03:07:36,350 --> 03:07:37,750
is can we get some authorization

1890
03:07:38,270 --> 03:07:41,750
with MHP to move forward?

1891
03:07:42,490 --> 03:07:43,290
Yes, yes.

1892
03:07:43,650 --> 03:07:45,610
Okay, we'll come back with a formal agreement,

1893
03:07:45,970 --> 03:07:48,030
you know, amendment, but can we start

1894
03:07:48,030 --> 03:07:50,830
in the 50-hundred grand range to get some of this stuff moving forward?

1895
03:07:51,970 --> 03:08:22,350
You need approval now because we're not going to meet so yes please I move we do that okay second it but is your a dollar like up up to up to a hundred grand you're asking for a structural assessments for an additional second story and everything else up to envisioning and drawings Michael Michael used to build whole houses. Yeah, no kidding all over the place. Yeah, I would rather ask for the authority and not spend the money

1896
03:08:22,350 --> 03:08:37,230
Then be sure and kind of start spending money above and beyond what we're we're getting people they're going to write that this is possible that this is what that we're getting updated cost estimates from a professional estimator we're getting drawings done engineering

1897
03:08:38,130 --> 03:08:38,450
engineering

1898
03:08:39,290 --> 03:08:43,530
guarantees about structural load and capacity for an essential city facility.

1899
03:08:43,530 --> 03:08:45,310
That would include a cover.

1900
03:08:46,190 --> 03:08:48,030
Yes, for 100 grand.

1901
03:08:48,030 --> 03:08:56,110
I don't know. We honestly don't know. We talked about 50 to 100 grand as an outside, but this is part of the soft cost that are not. I mean.

1902
03:08:57,490 --> 03:09:09,830
Well, I don't think you're that you're going to get a let's just call it a bit for a second floor and a parking structure across the street. No.

1903
03:09:09,830 --> 03:09:14,690
So, we want to make sure that when we go back and provide this direction, that they're

1904
03:09:15,190 --> 03:09:19,250
looking at all their structural load calculations for the existing deficiencies and taking

1905
03:09:19,250 --> 03:09:24,090
everything that we talked about this evening, including a substantial, and I'll call it a

1906
03:09:24,090 --> 03:09:28,450
patio structure, not enclosure, but that's a large structure, significant structure.

1907
03:09:28,690 --> 03:09:33,810
And there may be other load concerns that they have, depending on how that is, that how

1908
03:09:33,810 --> 03:09:38,630
that is anchored, whether it's on the, you know, on the sides or whether we're using the

1909
03:09:38,630 --> 03:09:42,270
existing footings down below, we already know those are undersized for the current load

1910
03:09:42,270 --> 03:09:51,830
capacity that we have now. So yes, personally, I, I think that you should double that

1911
03:09:51,830 --> 03:09:58,610
bid that amount. Okay. There's a hundred grand is not going to buy by you a lot of expertise.

1912
03:09:58,950 --> 03:10:05,050
We're trying to, I know, I mean, I admire what you're trying to do, but I'm just in a real

1913
03:10:05,050 --> 03:10:10,510
world there. And these experts are all going to be spent in the next month. So you just need

1914
03:10:10,510 --> 03:10:16,370
to be able to get through to the next calendar. Okay. All right. Well, that's not till

1915
03:10:17,370 --> 03:10:23,570
August. It's a month. Okay. August 20. Okay. Okay. That's fine. I'd like to ask Mr. Matthews

1916
03:10:23,570 --> 03:10:25,090
he has a comment or that.

1917
03:10:55,960 --> 03:10:56,440
We're

1918
03:10:59,070 --> 03:11:03,350
looking at changes to the current capacity. I just in terms

1919
03:11:03,350 --> 03:11:07,910
of from the public side some of the work that's undertaken if we ask them to move forward they'll

1920
03:11:07,910 --> 03:11:11,730
start expending money now so it's not necessarily the bid in the quotes and I agree with you that's

1921
03:11:11,730 --> 03:11:16,590
how they would normally go this is just to get started the initial weird dark until the second

1922
03:11:16,590 --> 03:11:22,710
meeting in August so in order not to move for you know we want to move forward obviously you know

1923
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:28,970
on some expenditures but yeah we agree with a lot of that and this is a long way away from drawings

1924
03:11:28,970 --> 03:11:36,170
But if staff is going to come back with updated dollar estimates, and I'm not even saying we'll spend the $100,000.

1925
03:11:36,930 --> 03:11:40,890
But we want to make sure that we are okay.

1926
03:11:40,990 --> 03:11:41,850
You have that direction.

1927
03:11:42,230 --> 03:11:43,190
Perfect. Thank you.

1928
03:11:44,270 --> 03:11:44,790
Okay.

1929
03:11:47,980 --> 03:11:49,420
Anything else you need from us?

1930
03:11:51,670 --> 03:11:53,870
American Express Card. I'm just platinum or whatever.

1931
03:11:54,270 --> 03:11:58,290
Okay. Wow. What a great job.

1932
03:11:59,370 --> 03:12:00,230
Thank you, everyone.

1933
03:12:00,230 --> 03:12:12,420
one and thank you colleagues and staff productive evening thank you with that

1934
03:12:12,420 --> 03:12:16,480
will adjourn at nine thirty eight good evening and thank you very much