1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Call to order the meeting of September 9th, Board of Public Safety meeting. We 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:11,800 have a quorum. And uh the first item is public comment. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:16,720 I did invite um Fred, who is over here, to come and and 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:21,800 and touch base with you. Some of you may know that we started the LEAD program in 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:27,720 Plattsburgh, the Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion program. We've gotten 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:31,920 a grant from Warren County. Um Plattsburgh CSD also got a grant. Are 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,200 you familiar with what I'm talking about, Fred? 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,840 All right. A little bit, not really. 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,720 » Very little. >> Okay. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:43,160 All right. So, um I'll let Fred tell you some more too, 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,240 but just to give you a a little background. So, 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,120 um this was something the city had been looking into actually for a number of 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:56,400 years. As a councilperson, I had been in meetings with then Mayor Hall about it. 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Um but we finally kind of brought it forward last year. And what it is is for 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:06,520 people who are um in 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:11,480 kind of repeat contact um with police, but they're not dangerous. So, they 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:16,520 their problems are more, you know, um poverty, substance, um 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:22,600 mental health, things like that. It's an opportunity to uh link them with a case 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:28,680 manager who will help them along that path rather than put them further into 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:33,440 the uh criminal system. So, we sought funding from Warren County. We received 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:37,560 a grant um and Plattsburgh CSD also received a grant to do the case 22 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,240 management. And we've been working in the last few months to get that program 23 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:45,000 up and running. And Fred is our coordinator. So, I invited him to just 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:50,040 tell you a little bit about how it's going to go. Do you want to come up 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,040 and go to the podium? 26 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:56,840 » Good morning, sir. It's a front desk of the public service 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 assistant. 28 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,520 » Well, I'm Fred Battle. I'm the support manager at the Desert Coverage Center on 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,440 370 Church. And I'm also 30 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:16,320 program manager. My previous career, I did diversion 31 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:23,280 with Medicare as a problem shooting specialist. We do 32 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:28,640 see unnecessary utilization with EDs. And I did that 33 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:32,080 for 15 years in three states. I make no coalitions, work with hospitals, nursing 34 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:37,640 homes, home health and other providers to do 35 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:44,160 essentially what we're trying to do here, which is reduce utilization that's 36 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:49,320 not needed. In this case, it would be utilization of law enforcement 37 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:53,280 that's being utilized for individuals in the community with 12 level businesses 38 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,400 that have needs as a mayor stated. 39 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,560 Uh social determinant health needs, poverty, 40 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:08,200 literacy, mental health, and substance use. And as 41 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:12,200 a result of their situation, law enforcement has interactions with 42 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,200 them. 43 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,920 More likely than you know, social services and other 44 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:24,800 departments that could that are being served doing that. 45 00:03:20,519 --> 00:03:29,640 And we is all over the country. 46 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:33,920 Um they have a sister agency, but I shouldn't say 47 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,320 sister. The Albany team has been very successful for I think 10 years. 48 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,720 And Schenectady's trying to do the same 49 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,519 thing. And 50 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:47,400 in the past 6 months, we've gotten quite a few referrals. 51 00:03:45,239 --> 00:03:50,160 We're throwing them over to the uh police department. So, we work with 52 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,920 them. And then the remainder of them justice 53 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:58,240 related um that could be the uh probation 54 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:02,800 treatment court, um the misdemeanor court, and we've 55 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,160 notified them of the program, and that they're both in the Glens Falls area for 56 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:12,200 anybody that has a connection to the Glens Falls area that's in trouble with 57 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:18,799 justice related issues, and that could benefit from extensive case management. 58 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:23,760 So, right now we're in the process of we have um interim policies developed in an 59 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:28,760 operational workgroup, but now we're going to go through more formalized 60 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:33,280 policies with policy workgroup, um which consists of various departments 61 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:37,960 throughout the county, the DA, um police chief, um 62 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:41,520 mayor, and um with that we're going to have um 63 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:46,080 and then we're going to address the quick referrals, and the referrals are 64 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:51,520 social referrals, um community referrals, and um law 65 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:58,120 enforcement referrals. And at this point, we're just focusing 66 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:01,760 on social and community referrals, and we still have to work out the 67 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:06,600 differences with the DA uh and the community on what's best for 68 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:13,360 the law enforcement referrals. And uh a lot of these individuals 69 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:17,600 are homeless, um semi-homeless, substance use, mental health, um and 70 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:22,120 they're cycling a lot with the interactions with law enforcement and 71 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:26,880 the emergency department, and they could benefit from additional hands 72 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,640 trying to help them out. And that's what this program's all about. 73 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,000 » Yes, sir. Does anyone have any questions? 74 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:43,000 » I think it's a great program for the this community and the community at 75 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:49,200 large in Glens Falls, um because what we see is um a handful of high utilizers um 76 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:55,840 that are cycling in and out of the system. And we want to change that. So, 77 00:05:53,480 --> 00:06:00,640 this intervention will help and make your life safer. And this is the safer 78 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,720 and uh the people that want to get back to 79 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,480 being the participants. And that's why I think it's a great program. If you have 80 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,400 any questions, you can let me know. And >> How How's it going to be in for the 81 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,200 program? Will you refer them or will you go in? 82 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:18,280 » Mhm. Right now, um, police officers sir, are 83 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:23,000 the uh police social worker is informed by a police officer of a individual um, 84 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:29,480 that could benefit from this. And then she contacts us and case management and 85 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:34,080 then we send out a referral law. Um, we would like to expand that. 86 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:36,480 I expanded that to um 87 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:41,640 probation, uh drug court, treatment court. And if 88 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:47,080 they can identify that is low-level crimes, repeat offenders, um that is 89 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,280 connected with the low-level community somehow, uh that would be uh 90 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:57,400 interesting. And I think 91 00:06:53,919 --> 00:07:02,640 almost 40% or more of the uh offense, like the low-level 92 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:07,280 misdemeanors, is um repeat offenders. They are doing 93 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:11,720 everything over and over again. That's about an estimate, but close to 94 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:16,840 half or some of them have uh arrests on a calendar year. 95 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:20,760 So, these individuals, thankfully, have other issues that need to be addressed. 96 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,960 And you know, they're homeless or they're living in a hotel or large. 97 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Maybe they don't have a place to go and they're just on the street. So, 98 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,400 this program, I think, is going to be great. And 99 00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:37,960 once the policy group gets together, we can formalize some of the referral 100 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,320 processes and then just roll with it from there. 101 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,600 » Do you have any questions for me? >> No, thank you. I just wanted to hear a 102 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,520 little more about everything. Thank you for coming. 103 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:52,800 » And then thank you. I can leave my business card if you have 104 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:55,800 any further questions. And then you got >> Thank you. Thank you. 105 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,640 » Thank you. >> I would appreciate that. 106 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,880 » Okay. >> Okay. 107 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,800 Is Is there any other public comment? Anyone else from the public? 108 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,920 » Yes, we have something for the schools. I'm the school liaison. 109 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Hello. Hi everyone. 110 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:25,680 Okay. Uh so my name is Boris Schwartz. I am the here representing the West Falls 111 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:29,880 City School District. I am the head of security for the school district and was 112 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:35,360 asked to come by Dr. Engelwood to talk about crosswalks or more specifically 113 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,440 the lack thereof, specifically in front of the middle school on 114 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Quail Street. Um I started uh working for the middle 115 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:50,680 school last uh toward the end of the last years and was asked uh up front to 116 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,120 take a look at how the kids, the students, and the faculty and staff get 117 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,760 in the building and make sure that that's the safest way to get in possible 118 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:02,440 and immediately identified that there are no crosswalks in front of the middle 119 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:07,320 school and the process for drop-off in the morning is a little chaotic. It's a 120 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:12,040 walking district, so most of our children are delivered by their parents 121 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:16,640 at the middle. And the cars drop-off on both the east and west side of Quail 122 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:20,680 Street and the kids jump across the street anywhere they cuz 123 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:25,600 right now there is no designated area for them to actually go to. 124 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:30,240 On high school side, uh there are two on Quail, one on Sherwood. 125 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:34,440 Um so there's easily identifiable passage for the students, but nothing on 126 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,440 the middle school side. So we were looking at um 127 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,120 the pictures that Dr. Engelwood took, um specifically looking for I'm sorry, 128 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:47,200 I'm on a conference call right now. Um 129 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:51,680 at least one crosswalk by our We so we have a teacher's parking lot on the 130 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,720 north side of the building. Uh teachers all park there. There's one 131 00:09:53,240 --> 00:10:00,080 way in, one way out. Um specifically we're looking for a 132 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:04,120 crosswalk by that exit to cross the way street. Uh which is really close to our 133 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,760 front entrance of the building. And then maybe another one down by 134 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,600 Shippy Street. There's also already one on Shippy 135 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:16,200 uh south of Conklin. But if we had another one 136 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:19,920 north of Shippy on Conklin, that would be directly into our secondary entrance 137 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,680 location. Um so uh we believe we should start here 138 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:29,280 with what both city can make a presentation to talk to the normal 139 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:35,040 Outback and uh You have any cross streets I can use? 140 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:38,360 I I spend every morning in the road with another security guard 141 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,200 helping me get the kids get across the street. 142 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Helping uh teachers get into that parking lot, trying to put them 143 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:49,360 some even road. Uh getting into an accident. So, I've 144 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,760 got a lot of experience in the last 3 months and I've started with smile cuz 145 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,240 she gives you a little bit of a hard time to steal the building. But you 146 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,080 know, I just think a couple of crosswalks would go a long way along 147 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,240 with the proper signage, communication with parents, communication with the 148 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,680 kids. It'd go a long way and it'd make it a much safer 149 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,200 environment for these kids to cross the street. 150 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,560 » Okay. I think you should tell me >> Tell me 151 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:17,680 » that that was the main recommendation but the side to where we said go in here 152 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:21,200 and get separated into third side. Um The other side 153 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:26,440 » If I may jump in, recommendation wise, there are there are site complications 154 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:29,240 but I agree wholeheartedly that crosswalks are warranted there. 155 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:34,120 » Right. >> Where to put them becomes a different 156 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,800 question in your opinion. Exactly. We've got to 157 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:42,600 new infrastructure on the east side of the road. We've got brand new curbs. 158 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:48,440 You've got a sidewalk that getting ADA accessible ramp up to the sidewalk very 159 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:53,080 challenging. We have new street trees. Something is going to be disturbed no 160 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,480 matter what the specific location is chosen. Again, that's not going to get a 161 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,920 lot of support where the classes really 162 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:05,640 warranted where the city has received the federal grant to improve the two 163 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:09,560 crosswalks that we've got. I mean they go from Chippewa to Notre Dame High 164 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,840 School. We recognize that 165 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:19,400 those are important. But again, where exactly that should land unfortunately 166 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,680 becomes an engineering decision more than they just put some stripes on the 167 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,720 road. They said, "Hey, I'll let you do all that work in that. We're going to 168 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:30,440 put some section. I mean, what do they 169 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,720 What are they blind? I'm getting a little frustrated. 170 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:40,920 What Some things are so obvious and you can't take care of. 171 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,800 School opens tomorrow. Well, 172 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:49,720 we have to deal with this situation after it was so The process is just uh 173 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:53,360 There was a study done about the traffic patterns at the school 174 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,560 and and and all of that. So, 175 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:01,200 I'm not sure why this particular part of it was not evaluated before when the 176 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:06,600 study was done, but um if you all think that it's a valid 177 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:10,960 request, then I guess should we be speaking with Jeremy 178 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,880 engineer and hopefully Well, so we can have a conversation have 179 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,760 the conversation and continue on with this. 180 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:20,880 Since I joined the department, uh Jeremy's a leader of this team. 181 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,520 construction as well. >> And you do you have 182 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:25,040 » I don't think. >> Do you have anybody 183 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:29,000 » I'll see if we can do that. I'm going to look back at him. 184 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,760 » I don't think so. I I can ask him to follow up. Do you want to try to 185 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,160 coordinate with him and see what he learns? I don't know. I know you were 186 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,760 involved. >> I did and I spoke with him about the 187 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,280 situation. >> Okay. 188 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Oh, and what did you learn? >> Uh 189 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,720 very similar to what I just shared. >> Okay. 190 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,200 » Unfortunately not as much as I'd like to say but I can't 191 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,800 get to say uh but again 192 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,040 no lack of support from the council. >> Okay. 193 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,120 All right, so let us do a little bit of research. 194 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,480 » And we have no illusion that there's a lot of that goes into cuz we took a look 195 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,480 at it and um we knew 196 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,960 » Yeah. >> that there was going to be a problem 197 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,160 because of the brand new school. >> Right. 198 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:08,240 » We bring it to their attention but one of the counties permits you can't you 199 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,360 just face it there was a chance that you can't get a permit for it. 200 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:15,200 » Right. Thank you so much for letting me just cuz I've dealt with that 201 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:19,400 area and I've seen it many times. Have they considered at least for the 202 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,960 mornings trying to I know it would be a nightmare but 203 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,040 trying to make that all one line cuz if I mean I think that you can paint 100 204 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,840 crosswalks those kids are going to get out wherever their parents stop and 205 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,920 they're going to go across the street. >> If I'm not mistaken that was a thought. 206 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,280 When we talked it I mean that 207 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,800 » I don't mean like permanently but I mean more of those at least drop-off. I mean 208 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,440 pick-up's probably different but at least at drop-off cuz 209 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,200 there's again from what I've seen you can paint every crosswalk you want 210 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,600 they're going to get out wherever their parents want to get out like and they're 211 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,280 going to cross right in front of the doctors. I mean you can paint the whole 212 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:55,160 road. I just I don't I just I've seen it many over the last 3 years I mean 213 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,560 probably too often but I've seen it. >> I don't know. I I I don't I honestly 214 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,760 don't know. >> know what I mean I just mean if there's 215 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,640 any way that we could do that. >> Well we we wouldn't we wouldn't be able 216 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:07,440 to do that in all that traffic that would be something the city would have 217 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:10,800 to No it was a city recommendation. >> I don't know. Do I study 218 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,360 Yeah. I mean that would make >> I saw the study. 219 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:19,400 » I mean that >> Mixed results on that for sure but not 220 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:23,520 not overwhelmingly against the concept but we decided to 221 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,240 The school district decided to try and nibble away at some of the smaller 222 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:32,200 capital ideas and see if that helped before jumping into that concept. 223 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:36,040 » Are you in a position where you can initiate this investigation through the 224 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,000 council and city? >> Um 225 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:43,280 The city engineer is still working on the layout of the fire station thing. 226 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:47,840 It'll probably be better >> I'll talk to Jay about it. Hopefully. 227 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Thank you for being proactive. Thank you. 228 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,960 » Thanks very much. >> Nice to meet you. 229 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,960 » I did the same to you both. 230 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,240 » Are there any other public comments? 231 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:05,480 All right. Seeing none, we will move on to our consent agenda. 232 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Are there any items that you would like us to pull for discussion? 233 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,760 » You have 211, please. And 213. 234 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,000 On the South Street fire station. >> Okay. 235 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:23,600 » And then you can submit them to the building and fire street 236 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,600 department. And the issue here 237 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,360 is the final plan being accepted. 238 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,360 » Okay. Um 239 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Steve, I think you were working with them on on this site. 240 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,960 » Yeah, I did. >> Or Amy? 241 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,960 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 242 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,640 » She submitted what she thought was the correct uh building and fire street 243 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:01,240 plan. Uh this is for the new building on the corner of South Street. 244 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:05,360 Uh so it is uh 245 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:10,880 It did mean the city and the building. Uh is that what we could tell them about 246 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,880 when we were doing the inspection? 247 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,120 I'm sorry. The inspection you said >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were asking 248 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,199 a question, but it wasn't a quick question. 249 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,520 » It wasn't. >> Oh, 250 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:28,560 I was just wondering if the reason you're objecting to it is because they 251 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,240 didn't name the city as a disjoined insurer. 252 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,760 » They did not. >> Yeah, so she's a brand new business 253 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:40,480 owner, and that was her insurance company's advice was to 254 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:45,880 to you know, do the figure out the insurance. So, we will correct that, but 255 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:50,600 you know, she's listening to her insurance agent. 256 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:54,440 That insures it. So, this is the first time I've dealt with 257 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:58,480 her. She's having an event on South Street closing a road, 258 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:03,120 and she is very familiar with the process, but obviously 259 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:07,920 she needs to educate her insurance provider as well. 260 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,920 » Okay, so what's the date of the event? 10/17? 261 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:18,040 » 14th. >> Is this information 262 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,720 » 14th is the next meeting. Yes. >> Okay. 263 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,600 » I would like to say something. >> You can call 264 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,160 » I'll >> I'll call the insurance agency. 265 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Do this. >> So, you can correct it. 266 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:31,760 » I will I'll put it on the agenda for the 15th. 267 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:38,160 » What's your question, Henry? >> Sorry. I have 268 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,880 two I have two in my hand that are different. 269 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:45,800 I I have one that's for the same event. 270 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:50,840 It's for the same day. And I have like one that does have a 271 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:54,280 certificate of liability insurance. >> Right. 272 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,040 But it doesn't name our organization insured. 273 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,880 » And she took a picture of both of them. Um 274 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:05,400 » And so, and so somebody gets hurt there, if you see it. And and we have no 275 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:09,720 protection from their insurance if they get run over by you. 276 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,720 » Right. 277 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:19,160 » It's also on this form. I had pointed this out offline speedy. I mean you have 278 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,920 a diagram showing a closure going to Elm Street. 279 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,680 » The the resolution >> resolution change. 280 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,680 » It's going to Lexington. 281 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,040 » Okay. 282 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,040 » The resolution brief is closing at 3:00 p.m. 283 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:46,040 » 5 minutes. Obviously, only closing at 3:00 p.m. on Saturday. 284 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,600 » Should I ask the city for Elm Street? >> South Street between South Street 285 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,240 between the lane and parking is on the 6th. So, you guys should be 286 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,840 » Elm Street. >> It should be fine. 287 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,800 » Please don't. >> Elm Street and we have only and online 288 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:02,920 this Friday and Monday. >> It says 289 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,800 South Street between Elm and South Lane on 290 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,080 » Yeah. >> Right now, we're 291 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:14,600 » We can amend the resolution. So, is your preference to 292 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,480 uh approve the condition on the condition on the change but you're 293 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,400 saying it's going to be 4 Okay. All right. 294 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,880 » It's for all services. >> Yeah. 295 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:27,360 » It's not all services in English. >> We've got one more meeting for the next 296 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,360 Saturday. 297 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,200 » Okay. >> So, the 298 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,400 the mechanics would be to call real world needs to change speak of the way 299 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:40,240 the resolution speak of the way the resolution you guys 300 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:42,880 can get this right so you can >> I think so. So, when was it approved on 301 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:48,520 this? Uh the event is not allowed alcohol 302 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:52,320 » You hear me? >> This event, is it allowed alcohol? 303 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,520 » Uh open container. >> Right. So, this has to go in front of 304 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,880 council. So, this goes to the October meeting. That's when you can work on the 305 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:05,760 brackets. So, when should we say? Okay. Well, it sounds like we're willing 306 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:09,520 to um like make a motion to approve the meeting. 307 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:13,680 » I just sent uh the uh business owner an email to to um 308 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,040 make sure that she understands the process. 309 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:21,440 » Okay. So, we'll make a motion. Someone needs to make a motion to approve this 310 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:26,440 event uh with the amended language between South Street South between Palm 311 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:30,000 and School upon the condition of the city's annual 312 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,680 designation. >> I'll move it. 313 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,480 » Okay. Second. All in favor? 314 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,960 » Aye. >> Any opposed? 315 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,520 Okay. That motion carries. Is there anything 316 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,040 else anyone would like to pull for discussion? 317 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,000 If not, would someone like to make a motion to approve the rest of the 318 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,640 consent agenda? >> I'll move 319 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,320 » Second. >> All in favor? 320 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,000 » Aye. >> Any opposed? 321 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,120 Okay. That is approved. 322 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Um Okay. On the regular agenda, there's one 323 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:12,760 resolution um and this was something that uh Commissioner Quincy requested. 324 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,960 Do you want to speak to this? >> Yes. 325 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,680 » Okay. >> I had the opportunity to tour the police 326 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,720 department the other day and then followed with the fire department and 327 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,880 looked at the um Facebook page today and I 328 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:32,040 do anything to keep that Um I think we need a resolution for this 329 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:36,160 study. Honestly, I think so feasibility study and that's what this resolution is 330 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:40,520 about. Um we are overseeing the police department 331 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:43,720 and the fire department. Um the conditions are 332 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,680 falling physically. I was thinking after decades. 333 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:54,840 Uh so, I'm fully in support of feasibility study and that's why I 334 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,840 proposed this resolution. 335 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:03,200 » Any questions or discussion on this? So, there is a feasibility study already 336 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,160 being done, right? 337 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:09,560 » Yes, sir. Is this just in support of that? It's in 338 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,960 support of that. >> He was authorized to make it 4-way but 339 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,920 the board supports these efforts. >> Yes, and the attorney also will 340 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:20,800 understand that we have been informed that we are supporting it. 341 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,040 Do I hear a second? Okay. >> All right, so would you like to move 342 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,640 that resolution? >> I move the resolution. 343 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,960 » Okay. >> I'll second it. 344 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,880 » All in favor? Any opposed? 345 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:38,680 Okay, motion is carried. All right, let's see. We'll go to old 346 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:43,600 business. Looks like we have some board member 347 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:49,000 reports. >> Yeah, we I just asked a few people to 348 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:54,120 speak on it and the ideal is the board of supervisors and peace love and peace 349 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,120 love and peace love and peace. 350 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Um last meeting we had discussed um 351 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:12,880 a few things. There was speed limit signs on South Street, which 352 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:17,080 are already up. I put one on each end. So, where you come out of 9th Street 353 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,840 there's a 30 mph sign there and then there's one just after Murray Street 354 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:26,320 going out in that way. The 20 mph sign that you asked for on 355 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,960 Bush Street, um I've ordered it. So, as soon as it comes in 356 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,600 I'll I'll get that up. Um the crosswalk that I already put up 357 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:37,080 I already painted it. Um the stop sign, I don't know if you 358 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:42,720 want me to put that up but I do have the stop sign for it. I contacted one 359 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,720 county, they don't do that. 360 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:51,840 And there was also somebody that mentioned something about crosswalks on 361 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Hudson Avenue by the hospital. 362 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:59,680 I have locations down. So, if you want me to put up signs, I have spots all set 363 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,320 up. That's all I have to do is put a sign up. 364 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,920 Okay. You guys want them? 365 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:11,920 » Besides being pedestrian crossing here >> So, at the intersection of school and 366 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Hudson Avenue, I'm going to put one before the crosswalk on both sides with 367 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:20,640 the arrows pointing down and one facing the other side coming into the city. 368 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,360 So, that's all set to go. So, if you guys want me to do that, I'll be glad 369 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,800 to. I'll start putting up signs. 370 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,840 » Okay. >> What are those signs? 371 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,200 » Okay. >> That's all I have. Thank you. 372 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,960 » Thank you. I appreciate it. >> You're welcome. I appreciate it. 373 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,080 » Stop signs >> The board really appreciates it. 374 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,080 » The neighbors The neighbors are very excited to see that. 375 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,000 » Yeah, as soon as you let me know, I'll put that stop sign up at the entrance to 376 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,000 the park. Is that 377 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,280 » It works. >> We're waiting to see what the 378 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040 » Okay. >> what the professional recommendations 379 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280 are for that crosswalk. >> Okay. 380 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,200 » Thanks. >> Yep. 381 00:25:53,240 --> 00:26:00,040 » Thank you. Lawrence and Ridge Street intersection. 382 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:02,640 » Yeah, this is me. Um So, 383 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:06,240 » your city engineer Jeremy Stahle has taken some time to make contact with a 384 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:11,520 couple of professional transportation operations engineers and get some 385 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:15,040 recommendations on what could happen with the signal that is controlled by 386 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:19,520 the fire department. >> I heard it was 387 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:23,200 » I saw a range of opinions and options, and obviously we don't want to sink a 388 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:28,160 tremendous amount of resources into a signal that may not be necessary should 389 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:32,440 the emergency center come to be. >> Uh 390 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:36,240 » but the short answer is yes, you can put no turn on red signs to complement those 391 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,040 signals. There's nothing in the manual of uniform traffic control devices that 392 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:45,120 would prohibit that. There's a recognition that they may not be super 393 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:49,000 effective in that, you know, I experienced this the other day on 394 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Lexington and Ridge. I got behind a car that was making a right turn from 395 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,680 Lexington and Ridge, but there's a no on red sign and flashing red signal and 396 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:01,760 that person was paralyzed. >> But I guess not moving through the 397 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:06,560 intersection is better than breaching the intent of traffic control. So again, 398 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,360 the request I believe from Captain Orbech 399 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,440 » Yeah. >> there's nothing to review it. 400 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,120 » Okay. >> You can do it. 401 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,320 » Okay. >> And that light actually is a full three 402 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,040 light traffic light it's not just a a single 403 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,320 light. >> Right, which is a problem in and of 404 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:27,640 itself. Apparently it's non-compliant was the phrase that I recall being 405 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,840 as you're not supposed to have a flashing 406 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:36,160 single signal in the one direction and the three color in the other direction. 407 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,680 It should be one or the other if all on all approaches but probably not worth 408 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800 being >> And realistically and realistically even 409 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,360 if the public safety center goes through that 410 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,800 that will still be needed at that intersection for 411 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:55,080 » Yeah, one of the concept one of the concepts we saw suggested 412 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:59,960 doing away with the traffic control on Lawrence and May and if the signal was 413 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:04,440 ideally placed which was adjacent to the corner where the firehouse is now. 414 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,680 That actually theoretically works better but again 415 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,240 traffic signals are costly and we probably don't want to get into that. So 416 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,480 the short-term solution of no turn on red probably is supported. 417 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,360 » Okay. >> Um I have something else. Not not 418 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,520 regarding the light but this intersection Lawrence and May Street we 419 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:33,120 had spoken about it before. Um that is a nightmare. Um before I I could not leave 420 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:39,720 town south on the issue and um approach the red light at Washington but the cars 421 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:43,880 that are accumulating to go straight on May 422 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:49,440 if there's somebody who is lingering to turn left on C Lawrence 423 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:54,600 cars frequently pass them driving in there 424 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:58,440 and there's a crosswalk there. And this is 425 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,880 that I feel and it is the safest before an accident will even happen in the 426 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,680 conflict and it's pretty obvious that it's not happening, but it's a very 427 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,240 dangerous place right now. >> I can't see. 428 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:14,240 » dangerous crosswalk I've seen a while. I was called there and 429 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,120 obviously that's there because right here was there. So right there might be 430 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:23,920 something that we got in the future. >> But I what my concern is are the people 431 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:28,560 going south? The people going south going over into that right hand lane. So 432 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,960 they they just off to time will come right up and then they want to 433 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:37,440 into you. The other lane to go straight. They 434 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:42,280 think that they'd be close you're behind this car turning the wrong way to turn, 435 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:46,840 but we're not. You know that that guy in front of me he's now going to turn left. 436 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,600 I'm still going straight. And this person comes up passing on the 437 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,440 right and I'm still talking over the people in the lane. 438 00:29:51,760 --> 00:30:00,960 And we had asked before about having um like the the lines the diagonal lines 439 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:05,920 that so people would know don't be coming up like that and that and then 440 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:09,840 when you get to where it's two lanes after the crosswalk. 441 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,760 Secondly I would that's a very dangerous area 442 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,960 in this city. And I I I just 443 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:23,160 I mean you should you know people say oh we'll address it we'll address 444 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,960 it it is a dangerous place. >> What was the result of your previous 445 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,040 discussions on this? Or was there a request? 446 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,120 » I believe there was a request to have a study. What they would have talked about 447 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:39,840 that and us you know the crossing things and traffic people. Hopefully not just 448 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,040 getting that through through a campaign. It's not going to be 449 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,880 easy. >> I understand. 450 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:51,000 » From a traffic perspective, do you have thoughts on this? 451 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:56,240 » So, I I understand what you're saying. The way 452 00:30:52,440 --> 00:31:00,880 complex as she says, we all see it. I don't know what the specific solution 453 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:05,280 is. It's never been addressed far enough to reach any because 454 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,720 for my office and resources. So, >> Well, when you were told it would be 455 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,160 studied for a year and nothing was studied yet. 456 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760 I mean It's a good point. 457 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,600 But how long ago was this? 458 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Yes. 459 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,440 » A few years ago. >> Okay. 460 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,560 » A few years ago. That was >> I was just trying to figure out 461 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Is there even a common system? Trying to figure out the minutes. 462 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,680 I did a ton of work to even discuss it with you before that. 463 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,880 You were right. I don't remember if anything ever did. 464 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:40,560 » That was a long time ago. It was probably even 2 years ago. Okay. 465 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,840 » It's just got to be done. You would need to follow up with the 466 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,240 right people and get it done. >> Well, I mean 467 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,120 I mean I I would like to have something done, but 468 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,680 at this point in time 469 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:58,680 I don't want to say it can't happen anymore because we're hoping for a 470 00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:03,160 decent everybody study and board. This I don't know what they're putting 471 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,160 I mean our safety building and everything to be 472 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:11,480 on the weather there. If that's going to change then I really 473 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:16,280 have no idea. But it it should be addressed now. This I 474 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,920 really feel too and if it has to be changed 475 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,480 it would >> It would be good. 476 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,080 » Is there um 477 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,960 a simple solution that's not expensive that we could do in the short term to 478 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:33,960 make it safer while we consider what path we're taking otherwise 479 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:38,760 that anyone would recommend? >> It would seem most though 480 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:43,680 probably to structuralize markings, make up some 481 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,360 pre-dressing ads. I mean, that's a very easy answer to 482 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,320 say, "Oh, just paint it and chase it." It's not cheap either, but 483 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,600 » Are you talking about where you go through the light and you're heading 484 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,880 towards Lawrence and it splits into two lanes? 485 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440 » No. No, the other way. >> Other way. 486 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,160 » The other way. >> Okay. 487 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:05,760 » Yeah, we're coming down We're coming down into the city. 488 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:10,120 » Because I planned on putting arrows at that spot this year. 489 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Because that right side should be a turn onto Lawrence Street only, and then the 490 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840 other side should have a straight on straight. 491 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,360 » No, she >> She's talking about You're talking about 492 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,680 the other side. >> On this side. 493 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,800 » Which I believe there is already painting there. 494 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,520 In the turn lane? >> It's past the crosswalk that she's 495 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,480 talking about before. I'm talking >> It's straight on over there. 496 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,160 » I'm talking May Street from May Street going south. 497 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,360 » Okay. >> To that light that's but uh from May 498 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,080 Street going to the opposite side of the right hand driveway. 499 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,360 » That's yeah. >> Old May 500 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:52,520 » Right in there. It's not two lanes until after that crosswalk. 501 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:56,600 And um people just fly through there. If after that there's somebody on the 502 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,280 crosswalk or this person turns and this part of the 503 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,640 plate will be having them to go straight right now. This guy's trying to get over 504 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,160 in front of you. If 505 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:11,159 And could you go look at the area >> Yeah, I I will take a look at it. 506 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,440 » You want us to go and see that? I mean, I see it as an accident waiting to 507 00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:16,200 happen. >> I mean, I know. 508 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,560 » So, I will go and take a look at it and come up with some suggestions. 509 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,760 » thought those lines could show that it's not 510 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,000 Are you hearing that suggestion? 511 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:32,440 » That the cars have to be where they're not supposed to be. 512 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,760 » Oh, okay. It's not a two lane highway again. 513 00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:40,159 » Okay. >> Okay. And then back to the 514 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,320 initial reason we started talking about this was about the light sign by the 515 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,360 firehouse. >> Mhm. 516 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:49,320 » Um and you So, you're you were saying it would not 517 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,919 be a bad idea or 518 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,919 » It's not prohibited. >> It's not prohibited. 519 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,720 » It may be limited in its effectiveness. I mean, you know the environment, 520 00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:02,400 there's all sorts of uncontrolled accesses to the the right-hand side and 521 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:08,000 the the Google Earth side where you can just go basically skirt the traffic 522 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,800 control point. But, yeah, I mean, the basic request at the last meeting was 523 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,720 can we have a no turn on red sign? And I said to them, "Well, I'm not sure if 524 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,280 that works, but it's not prohibited." >> I think some of these issues are going 525 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:24,320 to be figured out when we know whether it's going to be a main retail or even 526 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,240 once the project started and then and >> Mhm. 527 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,520 » if it's starting to change things probably so. 528 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,560 » How difficult would it be to put a no turn on red sign? 529 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,560 » I have them. >> Oh, you have them? 530 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520 » It's a local issue. >> It has to be a local law. That's 531 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,240 something that has to be a local law. >> That's the Oh, okay. 532 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,400 » It's a local law. Which we can do. I just Yeah, just that it's just a little 533 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,400 bit of a process. >> There's a lot of other consideration. Um 534 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:51,600 the recent guidance on no turn on reds state that it has to be adjacent to the 535 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,080 signal. So, it wants to be on the on the span. 536 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,000 » On the span? >> Not on the pole. 537 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,320 If if possible, I believe is the phraseology. 538 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,320 » Uh I will have to talk to someone about that. 539 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,840 » Right. Right. Those things have weight limits and things. 540 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,440 » Correct. >> Yeah. 541 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,640 » Right. >> Okay. 542 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,400 » And I think it's on just a wire, so I don't think it's on an actual pole. All 543 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:17,360 right. So, I'll have to do a little investigating on strapping it to it. 544 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,440 » I'll uh I'll follow up with you and make sure 545 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,800 » Okay. Yep, you have my >> determine whether or not it has to be 546 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,160 there or should be there. >> Okay. 547 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,640 » Is this May and Lawrence or were you just talking about May? 548 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,280 » Um >> But, I know May it also brought up, so I 549 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,680 just want to make sure >> Well, the the concern with May is it's 550 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,920 It could be the last time my life >> No, I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm 551 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,160 » You can do both. >> Yeah, I can. 552 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:47,960 » Yep, you can do both. Uh one observation that the folks had was that you're 553 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:51,880 supposed to have a fixed stop sign in conjunction with the flashing red on the 554 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,360 approach. You have that on May. You do not have 555 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,720 that on Lawrence. So, there's a stop sign on Lawrence. So, those are supposed 556 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:05,280 to be coupled. So, on board. >> Okay, again to do again as possible as 557 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:09,880 we can. The recommendation was to complement that with the stop sign as 558 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,800 well on the Lawrence Street approach. >> Do we have stop signs? 559 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,840 » Yes. >> Okay. So, it sounds like 560 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,280 other than making sure we know where to put the sign, 561 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,560 but you're saying it shouldn't be on the pole, it should be hanging. 562 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,320 » It's supposed to be next to the light, so you can see it. 563 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,880 » Okay. And you're going to have to see structurally if we have that on 564 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,480 Lawrence. Does this board want to make a 565 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,360 recommendation to the common council to move forward with this? As Emily is 566 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,240 saying, it would be a local law, so it's through a public hearing and all of 567 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,240 that. And two weeks 568 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,520 I think both Lawrence and May. >> Both 569 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,400 » Yeah. >> Yes. 570 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,400 » Okay. So, who made the motion? >> I. 571 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,760 » I did. >> Okay. 572 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400 » I did. >> Okay. 573 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400 » I second. >> Okay. All in favor? 574 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,480 » I. >> Any opposed? Okay. 575 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,480 And then Ed and Aaron, you can just make sure you're clear on the 576 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,760 location of the sign. Okay. >> We'll do this. 577 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,480 » The next common council meeting is September 22nd, so if you can get that 578 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,160 information before then, that would be helpful. 579 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,360 » Do you mind if I jump in on that? It should be stopped. I 580 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,720 I do need you jump in. >> Oh. 581 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:25,640 » No, that's fine. And then, um you'll go and look at the concern that 582 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:30,600 Sam raised and let us know. Okay. Sounds good. And then the third item was 583 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,840 the reporting to us about how the field 584 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:40,000 exercise went on Zig Wan Avenue. >> At the last uh board meeting we had a 585 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,200 public comment about um, 586 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,280 in first of all in parking in the land of the 587 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,040 uh, there was some discussion about street parking right there and so forth, 588 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,280 so we did a field exercise. 589 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,760 Uh, we took a fire truck, a rescue vehicle, 590 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,080 an SUV, and we drove it down the street and we 591 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,160 had to park on the side as far as possible. 592 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,560 And therefore we went through the states uh, 593 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,920 no parking. Also we looked into the garbage truck going the wrong way like 594 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,600 it happens. That's because the mechanical arm is on the right hand 595 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,040 side. It's the only way you can collect the 596 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,920 garbage. And then the new situation that 597 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,240 that's that's why it's happening that way. 598 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:26,960 Uh, there's also a parking lot on that street where you can get permit parking. 599 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,680 Um, so if someone really needed they could do that. They also looked at 600 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,400 driveways. Every house had at least one drive driveway for at least one car. 601 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:40,040 Some had two. So we literally couldn't really have a 602 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,480 dramatic as we proposed. >> Okay. 603 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,520 So you're basically recommending no change. 604 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,800 » No change. >> So there's no action needed. Okay. 605 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,840 Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, 606 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,600 circle that and edit it. >> Oh. 607 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,160 » It might be down there. >> Oh, great. 608 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,440 » It wasn't my note. It's in the minutes of 609 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:05,480 This is the language. No turn on red sign shall be placed adjacent shall is a 610 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:09,400 bad word shall be placed adjacent to the appropriate signal face 611 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:14,160 wherever possible. So if in fact it's determined that the 612 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:18,800 span wire can't support any additional weight somewhere else is acceptable. 613 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,760 » If you want me to put the stop sign there, I'll make sure it's high enough 614 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:27,200 and I can put it right where the stop sign so it's on the one post. 615 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,640 » Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's That seems like a reasonable compromise 616 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400 to me. >> Okay. 617 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,720 » Great. >> Yeah. 618 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:38,120 » Problem solved. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. 619 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:45,000 All right. Does anyone else have any other business you'd like to discuss? 620 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,920 » Your old business has still pulled in the third of the month so they're going 621 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,040 to be repaying us three dollars and then we're going to be speaking of I'm going 622 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,800 to be using the money to each officer in the department. 623 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,960 » Okay. Um 624 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:01,480 do you have any information on that? >> Not really. I did see something today 625 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,320 about the payment and and you have any idea 626 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:10,640 Uh I I don't know. I mean, the short answer is no. 627 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,560 » Let me make sure that I give you the correct answer. They're bouncing back 628 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,880 and forth with the stuff and I don't want to say the wrong thing. So, I'll 629 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,440 get you the correct answer and then we'll discuss. 630 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:21,560 » We can share it with the board. >> Okay. 631 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,240 Anyone else? Okay. 632 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:30,200 So, now we'll go to our safety reports. First on the agenda is Long Beach Police 633 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,200 safety report. 634 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,960 » Our attachment to the academy because he's coming in this fall and then 635 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,400 Good afternoon. Uh Police Officer John just graduated 636 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,760 his old police academy. Officer is continuing with his field training. 637 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,320 We're estimating he'll be complete sometime in the middle of October and 638 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,880 then he'll be signing up with the whole shift. 639 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880 Those He'll walk up at that point. 640 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,080 » Right. >> Civil Service just closed the exam 641 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,600 applications for the Patrol and Technical Services spot. Um so, they're 642 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:05,760 also reached out to the eligible candidates for the Patrol and Technical 643 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:10,080 Services spot and requested in the cover letters and designations from that. And 644 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,840 once I get those, I will reach out to you guys to schedule a meeting so you 645 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:19,200 can interview them and then I'll apply. public position. 646 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:23,240 Um we also hired just three new recruits last week. Uh we're able to complete the 647 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,760 psychological exams uh over the weekend. We have sent those 648 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,280 out to the psychologist and we're looking to depending on the opening in 649 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,720 the academy and the safety confirms to serve the 20 something applicants. 650 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,880 » That is the plan. >> Very good. 651 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,560 Excellent. >> Any questions? 652 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,480 » Sure, we're all accepting. >> Um at this point I haven't heard of 653 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,520 anything else the psychologist still has to do the interviews and stuff like 654 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,960 that, but they're moving forward with it. 655 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,720 » Yep. >> I have a quick question. That's um 656 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,000 would be between me and Matthew but I don't know how important it is, but 657 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,120 civil service we heard rumors that we're no longer 658 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,920 going to be um used. 659 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,840 Would would Well, they um with that 660 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,800 Okay, they they place things like that. I just I've been told that they're not 661 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,000 going to be doing same service as you and me. 662 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:19,440 Would that be something that the fire patrol used to have it? 663 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,400 And we would be exempt from that if they made a ruling like that. No. 664 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,760 » I haven't seen any rule like that so far. I don't know the exact total now. I 665 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,600 do know that instead of the exam being given yearly they're going to have it 666 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,480 every 6 months. They no longer would have a column if you can do a psych exam 667 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,400 so the list is changing and they add people to the list. But I believe you're 668 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,360 trying to talk about the fire department adding you guys to that style of testing 669 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,400 that we're doing. Um 670 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:42,880 that's the last I heard of it. It's almost like it's a state position 671 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960 specific. >> Yeah. 672 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,040 » Is it >> Yeah. 673 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,320 » Yeah, I think so. >> Yes, to pursue my thing. 674 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,960 » Public jobs that no longer require that, but it was probably 675 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,400 » I'm a health nut. >> Okay. 676 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,920 » I was hearing some of that. Thank you. 677 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,160 » Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. 678 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:07,680 » Well, she except the chiefs. I I'll make her her smile. I mean both 679 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:12,160 of you take after your 40 exam. 680 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,720 All. Now the fire department walked through. 681 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:26,040 » So, we do have one opening. Um but again, due to the 682 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:31,000 issue of the fire having a problem um Unfortunately, our civil service list is 683 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,640 exhausted at this point. There are two people that are trying to get their ENT 684 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,520 cards, which are very low. We'll bring them to the old hall or we'll have to 685 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:43,160 find somebody again, but um we We do have two other members that 686 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:47,400 I'm going to two other candidates that I'm going to reach out to to to see if 687 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,000 there's a chance that because they had said they weren't interested in doing 688 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,440 that. And there still on the list. 689 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,440 Um 690 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:02,200 Other than that, we um any questions on our monthly report or anything? 691 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,120 Um thank you for taking care of this stuff. I mean, anything that was going 692 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,440 on, I I think it's important. 693 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:16,000 You guys totally understand that stuff that partly partly but 694 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,360 you can Your role is to make sure things are safe. And that's what you're 695 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,320 following, so >> They They want the houses. 696 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:26,000 » Yeah. Yeah. Um 697 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,600 Other than that, um sure we'll see you all at work, but um 698 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:36,160 we kind of thought of all past away after any final words and early onset 699 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:42,000 dementia, Alzheimer's. And his wake is Friday from 4:00 to 7:00 700 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:46,120 at Saugus Funeral Home. And 701 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:52,200 service and the funeral services are True suicide. One The one in between 702 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:56,840 1:00 and 2:00 here at the point 7:00. That's 2:00 Saturday and then there's 703 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,800 going to be a celebration of life being done at Common Roots. 704 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:06,400 After that following the next day. >> I think that's it. Thank you. 705 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,400 » All right. 706 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,520 This is all I have right now, I guess. Thanks. 707 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,040 Thank you. I appreciate everything you've done. 708 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:51,320 » And anything else before we adjourn? >> I put the yellow grand opening in the 709 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,840 session. If you give me advice on the stop sign that you were talking about, I 710 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,880 now realize you're talking about the requested stop sign coming from the park 711 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,160 out on the road crosswalk. >> Right. 712 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:04,320 » I'm not something that I'm really all that interested in. 713 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:09,920 The data collection out there is done. The cameras have been removed and it was 714 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:13,480 fairly successful. So, anything you feel needs to be done in that 715 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,720 will affect the observations that are going to be the basis for the 716 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:20,480 recommendation. So, if it's strongly felt that that stop sign on the pole 717 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:25,000 telling bicyclists that they're approaching an intersection is 718 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,960 worthwhile, I would ask that you will not put that to not influence the 719 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:32,240 behavior that was under observation, but that data collection stop. So, if you do 720 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,240 want to do that, >> I'm glad to do that. I Is Is that a good 721 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,680 place? >> No, I already have the stop sign and 722 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,520 everything. >> Is it a smaller 723 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,600 » Yes, it's it's it's the same size that they use on the 724 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,240 bike path. >> Okay. 725 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,400 » That was >> I agree that there are a lot of 726 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:54,840 people and kids and everybody that just kind of fly through, so it'd be good to 727 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:59,720 Okay, put a warning there. Does anyone else have any thoughts on 728 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:03,160 that? If they're coming back, no? Okay. All right. With that, I will accept the 729 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,880 motion to return. >> Moved. 730 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,280 » Second. >> All in favor? 731 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,520 » All right. >> All right. 732 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,760 » Wait, we are adjourned. >> Thank you.