1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,439 Good evening and welcome to the 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:06,240 September 22nd, 2026 meeting of the 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,430 Glouester City Council. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,440 This public meeting of the city council 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,440 is recorded on Zoom with a link that is 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,680 posted on the agenda. If you are calling 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,480 in on a phone, you can press star 9 to 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,880 request to speak. If you are watching on 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,439 a computer or device, there is a raised 10 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:28,720 hand button that you can tap or press to 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,039 request to speak. Please use either of 12 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:34,000 these options during oral communications 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 and public hearings to be recognized to 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,680 speak. 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The 20 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,079 minutes shall note the interruption. 21 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:55,520 It is the finding of the city of 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Gloucester that no individual should be 23 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,320 denied equal treatment or opportunity 24 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,199 because of their age, ancestry, color, 25 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:05,360 disability, including intellectual and 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 developmental mental disability, 27 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,159 family status, immigration status, 28 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:12,880 gender identity or expression, military 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,840 status, marital status, national origin, 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,920 race, religion, sex or sexual 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,520 orientation. 32 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,200 This evening with us we have ward one 33 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,080 counselor Scott Memar, 34 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,479 counselor at large Patty A Page, 35 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:30,000 counselor at large Anna Kimberly, W 2 36 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,320 counselor Dylan Benson, W three 37 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:35,280 counselor Marjorie Grace, and Ward four 38 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,200 counselor um Franchesco Majora. 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,640 We also um have with us in the audience 40 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,640 we have our interim police chief Michael 41 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,799 Williams and we have the chairman of the 42 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:50,720 traffic commission 43 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,640 Bob Ryan. We also have the school CFO 44 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Cody Marshall on Zoom. We have also 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,640 remotely we have our city legal Suzanne 46 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,759 Egan. We have here with us our city 47 00:02:03,759 --> 00:02:06,240 clerk Grace Porer. 48 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,560 The also on Zoom is um we're online is 49 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,959 our CEO Kelly Dolan and our city auditor 50 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:19,190 Kenny Costa. 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:27,910 Okay, now we're up for the flag salute. 52 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:30,640 » I pledge algiance to the flag 53 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,800 >> of the United States of America 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,000 >> and to the republic which stands One 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,280 nation under God, indivisible, with 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:51,670 liberty and justice for all. 57 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,840 » Next order. Business. Madam clerk. 58 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,239 >> Oral communications. 59 00:02:56,239 --> 00:02:58,080 The public shall have the opportunity at 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,400 every regularly scheduled meeting of to 61 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,200 be heard under oral communications on 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,280 matters not appearing on the agenda. 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,360 Oral communication shall allow any 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,239 resident and/or property owner and/or 65 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:12,239 business owner who has a request or 66 00:03:12,239 --> 00:03:14,480 complaint of any nature relative to city 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,120 business to appear before the council, 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,879 make their statement without debate, and 69 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:21,040 the city council will refer matters to 70 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,280 the office of the mayor. Person speaking 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,959 under oral communication shall be 72 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:26,959 limited to three minutes each. We have 73 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,319 anyone in the audience who would like to 74 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:49,350 speak. 75 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,910 Okay. 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,319 Good evening. 77 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:58,000 >> Name and address. Name and address. 78 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,560 >> Yep. 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,040 >> Maryanne Elbert Buchcher, 93 Mont 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Pleasant Avenue. To the members of the 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,280 Gloucester City Council and to Mayor 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,239 Paul Lundberg. I am writing regarding 83 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:11,840 the new deed signed on April 1st, 2024 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,519 for the site of the former East 85 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:15,920 Glouester Elementary School land that 86 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,239 now joins together with the Lieutenant 87 00:04:18,239 --> 00:04:20,560 Arthur Maxwell Parson's playground on 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,040 Davis Street Extension. 89 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,440 The final paragraph of this deed states 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,080 that the property is, and I quote, 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,240 subject to the protections afforded 92 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,120 under article 97 of the amendment of 93 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,040 Massachusetts Constitution of the 94 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,560 Commonwealth in perpetuity. To clarify, 95 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,720 this legal language mandates the land 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,960 must comply with article 97 97 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,160 indefinitely. While article 97 protects 98 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,040 vital recreation recreational and 99 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,040 conservation land from being converted 100 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,759 to alternative uses, it does not mean 101 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,080 that the land can never be changed. It 102 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,639 simply establishes strict constitutional 103 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,280 requirements that must be met before any 104 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,240 modification can occur. To provide some 105 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,560 historical context for newer council 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,800 members, a portion of the deed 107 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,880 restricted Parson's playground was 108 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,720 previously utilized to have fulfilled 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,840 the land exchange requirements necessary 110 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,800 to displace Mato's field. Shockingly, 111 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,800 the state house and senate approved the 112 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,759 taking of Mosfield through article 97 113 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:27,280 process a mere 18 months after extensive 114 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,120 renovations to the field had been 115 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,520 completed. The history of this land, 116 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,840 Maxwell Parson's playground, runs deep. 117 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,280 In 1937, the Parson's family of Mount 118 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,280 Pleasant Avenue donated a piece of land 119 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:41,440 to the children of Gloucester in honor 120 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,360 of their son who was killed in World War 121 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,240 I. Coincidentally, around the same time 122 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,680 as Private Joseph Smos Jr., Now the 123 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,080 former school site has been seamlessly 124 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,880 integrated with the already deed Maxwell 125 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,520 Parson's land into a beautiful open 126 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,840 space complete with a shared walking 127 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:01,440 path 128 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,639 and memorial stone placed at its center. 129 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,440 We must ensure history does not repeat 130 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,840 itself. This is the last little 131 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,800 paragraph. I respectfully request that 132 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,160 the city place this entire unified 133 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,319 property under a permanent deed 134 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:22,080 restriction in perpetuity. Doing so will 135 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,560 prevent any portion of the Lieutenant 136 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,360 Arthur Maxwell person's playground from 137 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,800 facing the same fate as Maids Field and 138 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,520 ensuring that our recent investments 139 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,600 this beautiful space for Gloucester's 140 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,240 children, families, and visitors are 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,800 protected for generations to come. Thank 142 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600 you, Mary and Elbert Buché. I would also 143 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,840 suggest that every one of you take a 144 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,039 ride up there and go up into the field. 145 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:51,520 They just hydro seated it this past 146 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,039 Monday. The walking path is in. They 147 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:56,960 will be doing new play structures in the 148 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,720 spring. 149 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,960 We've maintained or retained all the 150 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,840 trees, the flag pole. They're going to 151 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,120 be doing the whole circle over. Um it's 152 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,280 going to be a beautiful, beautiful site 153 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,360 for the children and families and people 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,080 and visitors of our city. And I hope 155 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,199 that it remains that forever. Thank you. 156 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:25,510 >> Thank you. 157 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:32,870 Anyone else in the audience? 158 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:41,749 Don't see any line 159 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:43,759 next door to business. Madam clerk, 160 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:55,110 >> confirmation of new appointments. 161 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Um, we're going to call up Philip 162 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,039 Schwarz for Open Space and Recreation 163 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:03,029 Advisory Committee. 164 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:04,400 Do you want to come up here and speak? 165 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Um, just tell everyone about yourself. 166 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,639 I know you love to talk, so we're gonna 167 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,319 try [laughter] 168 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,080 snapshot. 169 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,599 I remember from Monday 170 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:18,240 >> Frank was at the the OA meeting where 171 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,759 >> yes remember your wife is giving you a 172 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:21,520 nudge 173 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,280 >> just briefly I I I have uh been 174 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,080 co-leading the Sunday morning hike 175 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,919 series in actually all of the trail 176 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:34,000 systems of the city and the four four 177 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,760 municipalities 178 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,000 um for several years uh after about 40 179 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,159 years of Ted Tar reading and 10 years 180 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:48,080 before that um of Dorothy Lewis uh and 181 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,360 uh my co-conspirator in doing that um is 182 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,160 Monica Lton currently the chair of the 183 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,440 rights play committee in in Rockport uh 184 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,200 I'm delighted to uh serve on the the 185 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,640 open space and recreation committee um I 186 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,000 already know several people on it uh and 187 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,360 I'm looking forward to uh becoming his 188 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,640 expert on uh matters before the 189 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,760 committee other than uh the the uh the 190 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,360 trail system and the and the and the 191 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,680 open spaces um as business comes before 192 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:27,920 the committee. 193 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,839 >> Okay. Does anyone in the council have 194 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:32,000 any questions? 195 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,760 >> It was um great talking to you mind. 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,040 You're very knowledgeable and it's going 197 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,399 to be um great to have you on the 198 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:37,040 committee. 199 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:37,519 >> Thank you. 200 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:38,800 >> So I'll move forward with the 201 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,959 recommendation. Um committee 202 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:44,080 recommendation on a motion by myself 203 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,000 seconded by council grace. The ordinance 204 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,360 and administration committee voted three 205 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,600 in favor zero opposed to recommend the 206 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,279 city council appoint Peter Schwarz to 207 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:52,880 the open space recreation advisory 208 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,839 committee terminating 215 2027 and I so 209 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:56,399 move 210 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,040 >> second motion made by council Motto 211 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,680 seconded by councelor Grace 212 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:05,590 discussion. 213 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Seeing none. All those in favor? I 214 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,880 opposed. Eyes have it. 70 to zero. Two 215 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,320 absent. Thank you very much. Bill. 216 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:12,800 >> Thank you. 217 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,310 >> Congratulations. 218 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,800 » Next order. Business. Madam clerk. 219 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,870 >> The consent agenda. 220 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,360 » Anyone wish to remove anything from the 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,360 consent agenda? Councelor Paige. 222 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:41,350 >> Just briefly. Number nine. 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,399 under um 224 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:46,560 the mayor's report. 225 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:46,959 >> Yes. 226 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:49,440 >> Memorandum from the city fairing signs. 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,920 >> Yep. Okay. Anyone else wish to pull 228 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,990 anything off? 229 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,160 I'd like to have a motion to accept the 230 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,480 consent agenda as amended. 231 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,519 >> So move. 232 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,600 >> Second. Motion made by councelor Grace, 233 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,200 seconded by councelor memark. Discussion 234 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,350 on the consent agenda. 235 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,720 » All those in favor? 236 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,360 >> I post 237 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,160 eyes have it seven to zero. Two absent. 238 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Councelor Page. 239 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,959 >> Thank you. 240 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:23,920 >> I I did um email Kelly Dolan and she 241 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,640 sent me a pretty comprehensive um 242 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,320 response to the cost and things of these 243 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,800 signs. Um it somewhere I picked up that 244 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,839 the first 17,000 we voted in our 245 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:40,480 previous meeting was phase one. Now 246 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,800 we're asked for another 12,000 247 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,279 to install a portion of wfairing 248 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:49,360 signing. So I have a couple questions. 249 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,120 >> This will be this is going to be an F. 250 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,160 So that's probably 251 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,200 >> you want me to do it there? 252 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,560 >> Probably appropriate time. Yeah, 253 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,800 >> that's fine. I accept that. Okay. 254 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,800 >> Thank you. 255 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,680 >> Okay. Um, shall we vote on item number 256 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,279 nine? 257 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,920 Make a motion 258 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,240 to refer to BNF. 259 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,000 >> Okay. You want to make? 260 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,880 >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll move to accept nine as 261 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,800 written. 262 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,480 >> Refer to refer to BNF 263 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,399 >> to to go forward to BNF. 264 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:19,120 >> Second. 265 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,880 >> Motion made by councelor Page, second by 266 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,680 council memar. Discussion. 267 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,560 >> All those in favor? Opposed? 268 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,360 >> Eyes have it. Seven to zero. are too abs 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,399 next door to business madam clerk 270 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:34,560 >> September 17th budget and finance 271 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,160 standing committee report 272 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,279 >> council memard 273 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,360 >> thank you we have a few items for your 274 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,040 consideration from our Thursday night 275 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,399 meeting last week at budget and finance 276 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:46,240 uh the first was a memorandum from the 277 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,519 glouester public schools CFO requesting 278 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:52,079 a payment of a prior year invoice with 279 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:54,880 fiscal year 2027 funds and this is in 280 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,440 the amount of $51,317 281 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,519 $1723 282 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:02,079 and I'll read the motion which was by 283 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:04,959 myself, seconded by councelor Page. We 284 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:06,560 voted three in favor, zero opposed. To 285 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,000 recommend the city council approve in 286 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,200 accordance with Mass General Law, 287 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,279 chapter 4464, 288 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:13,120 payment of prior year invoices and 289 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,120 obligations is presented in a memo from 290 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,839 the school CFO, that's Cody Marshall, 291 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,480 dated August 31st, 2026 in the amount of 292 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,590 51,31723 293 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,519 and this is to be paid with current year 294 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:28,560 fiscal year 2027 general fund school 295 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,480 department budgeted funds. And I so 296 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,440 move. 297 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,839 >> Second. Motion made by councelor memar 298 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:36,720 and seconded by councelor page. 299 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Discussion. 300 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,519 Councelor Page. 301 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,760 >> We did go over this on budget and 302 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,710 finance on Thursday. 303 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,200 Was this some kind of lawsuit by these 304 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,760 employees that was 305 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,399 mediated and settled? 306 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,279 And if so, are we looking at this? Was 307 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:02,160 over a strike. 308 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,760 >> It was a union grievance. 309 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,760 >> A union grievance. Okay. Are we 310 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,600 expecting more of those union grievances 311 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,079 or is this one and done? 312 00:14:10,079 --> 00:14:13,360 >> Oh, Mr. Marshall's with us asking that 313 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,670 question. 314 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,880 » Hi there. Uh, no, I do not expect any 315 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,880 more to come from this. This was a 316 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,959 unique scenario given the strike was 317 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:27,040 almost two years ago, but it was a 318 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,600 grievance filed later than expected and 319 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,199 uh yeah, this was a result of the 320 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:33,920 settlement and arbitration, but no, I 321 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,360 don't expect more to come of it. 322 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,990 >> Thank you. 323 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,399 » Any other questions? Council Benson, 324 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:45,600 >> thank you. So, and this grievance 325 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,079 happened several months or longer after 326 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:52,959 the end of the strike. Correct. 327 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,639 >> Yeah. I don't have an exact date of when 328 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,839 it was when it was formally filed, but 329 00:14:57,839 --> 00:15:00,000 yes, it was several months after. 330 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,040 >> Okay. Okay. So, it's in relation to the 331 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,519 contract that they that they negotiated 332 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,040 with the city, the school committee. 333 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,079 Correct. 334 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:10,320 >> Yeah. I was saying it was um it's 10 335 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,920 days at the all the units members for 336 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,839 their daily rate uh during the strike. 337 00:15:17,839 --> 00:15:20,480 >> Be clear, I don't think this had this 338 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,320 was not any striking members. This was 339 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,959 the nurses. 340 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:23,839 >> No, 341 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:25,600 >> this was not any striking members. 342 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,800 >> No. Yeah, this is separate from the 343 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,600 strike itself. It was as a result of the 344 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,519 work done during the strike. 345 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,360 >> Okay. Yep. Thank you for that. 346 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,920 >> Yeah. Thank you. 347 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,399 Okay. 348 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,560 >> Any more questions? 349 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,399 All those in favor I opposed. Eyes have 350 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,519 it. Seven to zero. Two absent. Thank 351 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:46,480 you, Cody. 352 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,560 >> Thank you, 353 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,079 >> Next up was the memorandum from our 354 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,800 acting police chief requesting to pay a 355 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,360 fiscal year 2027 invoice without a 356 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,519 purchase order in place in the amount of 357 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,160 $440.94. 358 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,000 And on a motion by myself, seconded by 359 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,440 councelor Page, budget and finance 360 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,800 committee voted three in favor, zero 361 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,880 opposed to recommend that the city 362 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,959 approve, city council approve in 363 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:10,560 accordance with Mass General Law chapter 364 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,160 4464 365 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,320 payment of prior year invoices in the 366 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,959 amount of $440.94 367 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:25,600 for the West Marine Pro at East Broward Boulevard in Fort 368 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,839 Lauderdale for marine equipment received 369 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:30,880 in fiscal year 2026. 6 with an invoice 370 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,399 noted number is noted dated July 1st 371 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,440 2026 in the amount of $39745 372 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,880 and a second invoice 373 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,680 >> 36745 thank you Grace and a second 374 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,279 invoice as noted dated July 1st 2026 in 375 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:50,480 the amount of $7349 376 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,920 to be paid with fiscal year 2027 general 377 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,759 fund police department ordinary 378 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,560 maintenance budgeted funds and I so move 379 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Second 380 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,880 >> motion made by councel melhart and 381 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,870 seconded by councelor page. Discussion. 382 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,760 Seeing none. All those in favor? I 383 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,000 opposed. Eyes have it. 7 to zero. 384 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,480 Uh and finally the memorandum from the 385 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,000 acting police chief requesting our 386 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,880 acceptance of a fiscal year 2027 state 387 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,319 911 EMD grant. This is in the amount of 388 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,150 $42,628.96. 389 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Budget and Finance on a motion by 390 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,600 myself, seconded by councelor Paige, 391 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,320 voted in three in favor, zero opposed to 392 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,160 recommend the city council accept under 393 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,679 master general law chapter 4453A, 394 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:41,679 a state grant from the Massachusetts 395 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:43,360 Executive Office of Public Safety and 396 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:47,280 Security, a fiscal year 2027 state 911 397 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,400 Department Emergency Medical Dispatch 398 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,430 Grant Program for $42,528.96. 399 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,240 The grant period is from September 1st, 400 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,200 2026 through June 30th, 2027. And there 401 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,600 is no local match for this grant. And I 402 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,559 so move. 403 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:06,160 >> Second. 404 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,919 >> Motion made by council meard and second 405 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:12,720 by councelor Paige. Discussion. 406 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,039 Seeing none. All those in favor? 407 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,880 >> I opposed. Eyes have it. Seven to zero. 408 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,360 Two abs. Thank you. 409 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:23,600 >> Next order. Business. Madam clerk. 410 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,679 >> September 14th. Ordinances and 411 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:27,200 administration standing committee 412 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,720 report. 413 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,840 >> There are no items under this heading. 414 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,360 >> Thank you. Next order of business. 415 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,120 >> The September 16th planning and 416 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,440 development standing committee report. 417 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,400 >> Council Benson. 418 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 >> Okay. I wasn't prepared but uh but I was 419 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,679 just reading. So all right. So we have 420 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:48,000 um a few things. The first item is a 421 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,200 petition by National Grid to install 422 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,360 um one um JO pole on Belleview A 423 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,600 beginning at a point of approximately 37 424 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,320 ft east of the center line of the 425 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:07,430 intersection of Belleview A to Condan 426 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,760 Conent Avenue. National Grid is 427 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,039 petitioning to install one new JO pole 428 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:14,559 30006 429 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:17,840 with a sidewalk anchor on public way at 430 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,480 Condent 17 Condent Road, Gloucester, 431 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,039 Mass. Um 432 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:25,200 discuss and I 433 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,880 >> Oh, the committee recommendation is much 434 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,320 longer and it's below that. 435 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,679 >> Okay. Oh, I got to read that 436 00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:32,880 recommendation. Yep. Okay. Um committee 437 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,960 recommendation on a motion by councelor 438 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Gro, seconded by myself, councelor 439 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,799 Benson, the planning and development 440 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:40,880 committee voted three in favor, zero 441 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,880 opposed to recommend that the city 442 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,440 council permit Massachusetts electric 443 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,880 company um also known as national grid 444 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,000 to locate poles, wires, and fixtures, 445 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,559 including the necessary sustaining and 446 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:57,679 protecting fixtures along and across the 447 00:19:57,679 --> 00:20:00,880 public way. National Grid to install one 448 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,240 JO pole on Belleview A beginning at a 449 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,960 point of approximately 37 feet east of 450 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,200 the center line of the intersection 451 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,440 between Belleview A and Condent Road A. 452 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,440 National Grid is petitioning to install 453 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,200 one new JO pole 30006 454 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,640 with a sidewalk anchor on public way at 455 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,799 17 Condent A Glouster Mass as shown on 456 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,840 plan including in the application dated 457 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,799 June 9th 2026 with the following 458 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:35,440 conditions. One, notification to the 459 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,840 Department of Public Works 72 hours in 460 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,240 advance of the proposed work. A 461 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,159 construction schedule will be prepared 462 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:43,840 by the applicant for review and 463 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,760 acceptance by the Department of Public 464 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,159 Works. Two, in the absence of a detailed 465 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:51,760 construction plan, the Department of 466 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,400 Public Works request all proposed 467 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440 conduits and a permanences shall be 468 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,640 placed so as to cause minimum conflict 469 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 with existing underground utility 470 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,280 services. Three, all excavations must be 471 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,960 secured at all times. Four, all 472 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,679 excavated trenches 473 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:15,840 shall be patched 474 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,320 flush with the surrounding asphalt using 475 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,200 hot mix asphalt binder at the end of 476 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,440 each workday to minimize pedestrian 477 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,880 hazards. Asphalt shall be applied in two 478 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,799 lifts of 2 in totaling 4 in. Five, 479 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,280 sidewalks must be restored with like 480 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,720 material immediately after pole set. and 481 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,679 six paving conditions must be approved 482 00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:42,480 by public works prior to issuance of 483 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,200 road opening permit and I so move 484 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,559 >> second 485 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,080 >> motion made by councelor Ben and 486 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,880 seconded by councelor Kimbley discussion 487 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 >> um if I may there was some discussion um 488 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,520 it was actually a lengthy discussion 489 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,520 from residents in the area having 490 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,120 concerns I don't know if they're here 491 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,559 tonight um or anyone's online um there 492 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,960 was going to be some discussion with um 493 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,120 the neighbor who is looking for this 494 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,280 pole petition to see if it could be 495 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,039 moved, but I'm not sure if anyone is 496 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:15,600 online to speak to that. And I know if 497 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,320 my recollections correctly, 498 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,760 councelor Kimberly, so 499 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,880 >> there's no hands, right? 500 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,320 >> Okay. Okay. 501 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,320 >> We're gonna have another meeting with 502 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Ishma 503 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,400 if I remember correctly. So, but if no 504 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,640 one is here to speak, so no issues. 505 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,520 Any more discussion? 506 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Seeing none, all those in favor? 507 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,840 >> I opposed. 508 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,200 >> Eyes have it. Seven to zero. Two absent. 509 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,880 >> Second, we have a memorandum from 510 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,760 general counsel um regarding a request 511 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,440 from Historic New England for 512 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,960 preservation restrictions for the 513 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Haskell House, 11 Lincoln Street, and 514 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,919 the Temple Haden College, Eastern Point 515 00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:02,400 Boulevard. Um, and should I read the 516 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,760 before they speak, should I read the 517 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,159 committee recommendations or 518 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:07,520 >> I know that we have someone. 519 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,559 >> Yeah. No, by 520 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:09,840 >> just we're trying to remember 521 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,200 >> by Robert's rules. You're supposed to do 522 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:11,440 that. 523 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,960 >> Yeah, I know that. I just, you know, I 524 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600 don't do often. So, um, committee 525 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,159 recommendation on a motion by councelor 526 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:21,200 Gro, seconded by councelor Kimberly. The 527 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,880 planning and development committee voted 528 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,960 three in favor, zero opposed to 529 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,120 recommend that the city council approve 530 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,039 the preservation restriction agreement 531 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,000 as defined in Mass General Law chapter 532 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,120 184 sections 3132 533 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,679 and 33 between the Society of the 534 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:41,600 Preservation for New England Antiques, 535 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 also known as the Historic New England 536 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,960 and Richard Samson Samson and Natalie 537 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600 Tisha Samson preserving a portion of the 538 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,400 property located at 11 Lincoln Street, 539 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,360 Gloucester Mash, Gloucester, Mass. Um, 540 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:04,559 map 3 236 lot 37, specifically a portion 541 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,120 of the site and the building known as 542 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,000 William William and Mary Haskell House. 543 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840 the Haskell House as described in 544 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,679 exhibit A of the agreement 545 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:18,720 as is in the public's interest the pres 546 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,520 to preserve this historic resource and I so move 547 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,240 >> second 548 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,720 >> motion made by councelor Benson um 549 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600 seconded by councelor Kimberly and I see 550 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,600 we have Elizabeth 551 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Lia 552 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 um who would you like to make uh any any 553 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520 comments on this before 554 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,039 Um, I'm here to answer any questions 555 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,720 that you counselors may have. These are 556 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,480 two restrictions. Historic New England 557 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320 currently holds two in Gloucester, one 558 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,720 of which you voted on a few months ago. 559 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,320 Um, and one that we have held since 560 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,039 2007. Um, one of these properties is 561 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,279 privately owned by a private citizen and 562 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,120 it is currently on the market. Um, and 563 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:02,320 so this is a little bit um, hastier than previously anticipated because we 564 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,720 need to get this recorded before closing 565 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,279 happens. Um and so hence why we are 566 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,840 before before you tonight. And the other 567 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,840 restriction um that I don't know if it 568 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,600 has the motion has now been read. So I 569 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,360 can hold off on the Temple Hayden 570 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,760 Cottage uh comments, but that is a 571 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,919 property currently held in or by 572 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:21,760 Historic New England, owned by Historic 573 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,679 New England, which will likewise be 574 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,520 listed for sale here very shortly and 575 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,200 sold back into private ownership with 576 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,720 preservation restrictions on it. 577 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,080 >> Right now, we're just taking up the 578 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Haskell House. 579 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,510 >> Okay. 580 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,320 questions. Council Paige 581 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760 >> on the Haskell House. Uh once it changes 582 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760 hands, it will still be in private 583 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,640 ownership. So, does it remain on the 584 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,679 real estate tax role? 585 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,679 >> It does. It will remain on the tax role 586 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:59,830 and in the tax base. Correct. 587 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,760 I would just like to say that these are 588 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,159 this first and the second one are are 589 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:07,360 two just wonderful historical properties 590 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,840 which will reflect the fabric of the 591 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,000 community here. I know councelor Grace 592 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,480 and I met at a open house for the 593 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Haskell House. It was first listed on a 594 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,720 beautiful day there in the marsh. The 595 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,679 greenheads were just coming out and they 596 00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:23,840 came out. But these are beautiful 597 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,200 properties and it's wonderful that the 598 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,960 city is taking this step with our 599 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,880 partners at Historic New England to 600 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,559 preserve the f this fabric, this 601 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,559 historic fabric within our community. I 602 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,080 think it's just really important and 603 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,480 wonderful for our our current generation 604 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,360 and for the future. Thank you. 605 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,520 >> You 606 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,240 grace. 607 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400 >> Thank you. Um yeah, it was it the 608 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,120 Haskell House is an extraordinary 609 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,159 um example of architecture from you know 610 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:53,440 the the 17th century and it if anything 611 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760 were to happen to that that it was torn 612 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,400 down or you know irrevocably altered I 613 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,159 think it would be an absolute travesty. 614 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,240 Um it's a tangible part of history that 615 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,720 I think it is so very important to um to 616 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,760 preserve that for posterity and just um 617 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,159 it's when you walk into the into that 618 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:14,310 house it's like walking back in time. 619 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,840 Thank you. Anyone else? 620 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Okay. All those in favor? 621 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,520 >> I opposed. Eyes have it. 7 to zero. Two 622 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,039 absent. Next up 623 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:28,080 >> now regarding the Temple Hayden Cottage 624 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,960 on Eastern Point Boulevard. Committee 625 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,200 recommendation on a motion by councelor 626 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,440 Grow, seconded by myself, councelor 627 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,400 Benson. from the planning and 628 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480 development committee voted three in 629 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,559 favor, zero opposed to recommend that 630 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,559 the city council approve the 631 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,799 preservation restriction agreement as 632 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,480 defined in Mass General Law chapter 184 633 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,720 sections 3132 and 33 between the 634 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720 societies of preservation for the New 635 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,919 England Antrices um also known as 636 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,720 Historic New England and a private 637 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,440 purchaser to be identified at the time 638 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,919 of the execution preserving The property 639 00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:09,279 is located at 62,62R 640 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,200 64 and 66 Eastern Point Boulevard, 641 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,720 Gloucester. Map 135, lots 20, 21, 22, 642 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,159 and 23. Specifically, a portion of the 643 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,000 site and the buildings known as the 644 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,799 Temple Hading Cottage and the Barn as 645 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,159 described in exhibit A of the agreement 646 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,240 as it is in the public's interest to 647 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,880 preserve this historic resource. And I 648 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,840 so move. 649 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,720 >> Second. 650 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,240 >> Motion made by councelor Benson, 651 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,389 seconded by councelor Kimberly. 652 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:43,600 Elizabeth, do you have anything you want 653 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,279 to add on this one or 654 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,200 >> I I certainly can. This one is a little 655 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,720 bit different from the Haskell House or 656 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,240 quite frankly a lot of them in within 657 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320 our portfolio and we currently protect 658 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,480 132 properties in this way across the 659 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480 region. Um, which is quite the breadth. 660 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320 But this cottage specifically was 661 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960 actually erected in 1924 uh when Samuel 662 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840 and Ruth Anderson temple moved the circa 663 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,720 1750. So it is very old. Stobridge house 664 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,720 from Canton, Massachusetts to a plot of 665 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,480 farmland on Eastern Point where it now 666 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,039 sits. It's significant for its origins 667 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,760 both the as a half house from the 18th 668 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240 century as well as its association with 669 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000 the early 20th century development of 670 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Eastern Point. Ruth Anderson was an 671 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,559 acclaimed painter who actually studied 672 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,159 under another eastern eastern point 673 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:29,200 resident Cecilia Bow and Samuel Temple 674 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,200 her husband was a Stobridge descendant 675 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,960 and a well-known lighting designer. So 676 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,360 the couple couple were very active in 677 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,120 the local arts community and their 678 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,799 history links the cottage to the wider 679 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,360 artist colonies that flourished on Cape 680 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Anne at that time. The Haydens purchased 681 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,799 the property in 1944, hence the Temple 682 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,360 Hayden Cottage name, and owned it until 683 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,919 2020 when they sold it to historic New 684 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:53,919 England, concerned that intensive 685 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:55,520 development by a future owner would 686 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,120 negatively impact both the cottage 687 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000 itself and its neighbor, the Bowort or 688 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,919 Bowport, the Sleeper McCann House, which 689 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,159 Historic New England owned and operates 690 00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,720 as a house museum. So, we've spent the 691 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,720 last 6 years really carefully evaluating 692 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,919 possibilities for the future of the 693 00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,159 cottage and the west best way to 694 00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:14,399 preserve it. As a result, we are 695 00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:15,919 preparing to sell this property back 696 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:18,000 into private ownership, thus back into 697 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,559 that tax base, subject to permanent 698 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,080 preservation restrictions that will 699 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840 ensure the future of the cottage, but 700 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000 also protect the scenic and historic 701 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480 context of Bowortport. These 702 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,039 restrictions specifically protect the 703 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,039 exterior of the Temple Hayden cottage, 704 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,600 understanding the need for alteration, 705 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,760 upgrades, um, and development within the 706 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,679 cottage itself to allow for modern 707 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:41,840 living and such. Um, which is why it's 708 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,440 maybe slightly a bit different. Well, it 709 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,559 is a bit different than the Haskell 710 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,880 House um, preservation restriction that 711 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,159 you just approved. 712 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:54,480 >> Yep. Any questions? 713 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,039 Discussion 714 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,320 seeing none. All those in favor? I 715 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,039 opposed. Eyes have it. Seven to zero. 716 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,520 Two absent. 717 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,720 Next order of business. Madame clerk. 718 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,120 >> Public hearing 2026 number 24 SCP 2026 719 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,679 number 8. The application of 187 720 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:19,279 Atlantic AB Holdings LLC. Map 255 lot 721 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,640 one GZO section 5.2 2 earth fill and 722 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,159 removal regulations 5.2.2 permit from 723 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,159 the city council to permit the movement 724 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:31,440 of more than 3 acres of 1,00 cy of soil 725 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,399 at 185 Atlantic Street in the R20 726 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:41,909 district. 727 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:48,149 » This item is to be withdrawn 728 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:48,799 or do you want? 729 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:49,200 >> Yeah. 730 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,600 >> Okay. So um this is to be withdrawn. Um 731 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640 they are deciding to not move forward um 732 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,640 and they may come back later. But on 733 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,640 committee recommendation 734 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440 um on a motion by councelor Gro seconded 735 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,840 by myself councelor Benson the planning 736 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,320 and development committee voted three in 737 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,240 favor zero opposed to recommend that the 738 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,000 city council accept the withdrawal of a 739 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,080 of the special council permit 740 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,039 application of 187 Atlantic A holdings 741 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,600 without prejudice and I so move 742 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,640 >> second 743 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,120 >> motion made by councelor Benson seconded 744 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,159 by councel 745 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:29,919 Kimberly 746 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,519 discussion on the withdrawal of this 747 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,519 motion 748 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,840 this action. All those in favor of the 749 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,720 withdrawal I closed eyes have it seven 750 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600 to zero two absent. 751 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640 Next order business madam clerk. 752 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,240 >> Public hearing 2026 number 25 memorandum 753 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840 from the general council regarding 754 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,240 proposed amendments to chapter 9 article 755 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,870 one trash. 756 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,480 Oh, I got to open the public hearing. 757 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,750 Sorry. 758 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Um, open the public hearing. And, um, 759 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,399 speaking in favor, 760 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,799 uh, we have general counsel, you put 761 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,960 this forward, Suzanne Egan. 762 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,760 >> Yes. Thank you, councilors. Um, this 763 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,360 proposed amendment to the code of 764 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,840 ordinances reflects the changes to the 765 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,039 city's uh, trash collection services. 766 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,679 So, our uh existing code of ordinances 767 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,640 regarding trash collection speaks to the 768 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600 pay as you throw program and the changes 769 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,799 that are before you tonight incorporate 770 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,799 the operational changes that will come 771 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,440 about with the new trash service. 772 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,480 And so, it's it's mainly a um 773 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,480 administrative change to the code of 774 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,519 ordinances versus anything that's uh too 775 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,000 pro programmatic. So, I'm happy to 776 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,440 answer any questions if you have them, 777 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,039 and I'm also happy to run through those 778 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,360 changes if that would be helpful. 779 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,679 >> Thank you. 780 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:12,069 Anyone else like to speak in favor? 781 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:20,710 » Anyone like to speak in opposition? 782 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:23,599 » Do we have any communications? We do not 783 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,510 >> questions from the counselors. 784 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,960 » Councelor Paige, 785 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,399 >> I do see 9.2 trash collection C. 786 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,639 I'm always confused with this wording. 787 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,200 Owner of a building with four or more 788 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,440 units. Isn't it supposed to be more than 789 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,510 four units? 790 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,679 It says four 791 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,839 92 C. It should be an owner of a 792 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:55,839 building with my copy has five or more 793 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:57,760 residential units. 794 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480 >> It reads four or more. 795 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,760 >> So I should more more than four or five 796 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,720 or right. 797 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,040 >> It's five. It should be five or more 798 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,960 residential units. That's what's in the 799 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880 um the packet the OA packet that I that 800 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,480 I looked at today. 801 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,119 >> So we just need that corrected. Right. N 802 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:17,599 >> Exactly. 803 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,240 >> 9-2C. Good job. 804 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:30,950 >> Thank you. I read this. 805 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:38,230 Wonder what it said at AA. 806 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:39,920 » Oh, 807 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,440 all right. So, then we need to amend it. 808 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680 You like to offer an amendment? I'll 809 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,839 make a motion to amend section 810 00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:51,200 >> Oh, wait a minute. Not yet. Not yet. 811 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:51,839 >> Not yet. 812 00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:53,280 >> No, sorry. 813 00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:02,069 >> More questions. 814 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,560 » Page. I'm not even sure it's in the the 815 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,839 um change here, but I just want to make 816 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:11,520 note that I I still have a pretty 817 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,839 difficult time um charging 818 00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,000 users that aren't going to participate 819 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,400 in the program based upon the fact that 820 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,760 they own a unit. I don't I believe there 821 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160 just needs to be accommodations or 822 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,000 exemptions. It's very difficult for me 823 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960 to see people that don't use the service 824 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520 pay for it while people that use the 825 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920 service certainly agree to pay for it 826 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,280 and do pay for it. But there we're 827 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,119 hearing more and more um 828 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,440 reports of 829 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320 people either home owning having 830 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,200 ownership in family homes they're 831 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,839 holding on to but don't really use them 832 00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:56,560 or people that have two homes and one is 833 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,880 just being held vacant for a reason or 834 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,760 you know used sparsely and and one unit 835 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,800 can handle the second unit rubbish. 836 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,760 It it's just it seems that this is needs 837 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,920 to this program needs a little more 838 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,960 flexibility and I don't believe that the the exemptions or the 839 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,440 flexibility will cause an increase in 840 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,240 fees. 841 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,839 >> That's not in this ordinance. So that's 842 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:26,640 under the you look at section 9-3D 843 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,790 is where it talks about fees 844 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,920 » which we already voted 845 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,880 >> right. It says eligible households. 846 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,119 >> No. Promate regulations 847 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,119 >> shall be assessed to all eligible 848 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,480 households on the basis of the fee 849 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,800 structure. So you know eligible 850 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,079 households is a subjective term. 851 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,359 It doesn't say units. It says 852 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,040 >> they are eligible because they could be 853 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,960 inhabited and need the trash picked up. 854 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,599 So they're all 855 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,000 >> and if they're not inhabited or 856 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,440 >> but they're but they're still eligible 857 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,030 to be inhabited. 858 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,400 » They're not using the service. 859 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,839 >> But that doesn't have anything to do 860 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:02,400 with their 861 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,760 >> I'm just putting on the record. I have a 862 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,800 hard time with that. Thank you. 863 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,640 >> Okay. That that's a discussion that we 864 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,839 should have had at the last meeting with 865 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:08,720 the fees. 866 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,920 >> Uh we did. 867 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,680 >> Okay. Thank you. 868 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,760 >> Extensively. 869 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,160 >> All right. Very good. Any more 870 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,790 discussion? Any more questions? 871 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,520 » No questions. 872 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,880 >> Actually, I just have a quick question 873 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,440 just to remind because looking at this 874 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,800 um so this is just housekeeping. Um 875 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,359 solicitor correct? 876 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:35,119 >> Yes. Essentially, it is. 877 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,200 >> Yeah. And can you remind us like in this 878 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,920 ordinance um does this require like so 879 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,760 because I've had some people uh reach 880 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,079 out to me um if this is related if you 881 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,880 if I may, Council President, that people 882 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,960 will need to bring those bins off the 883 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,839 street and into an enclo like off the 884 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:54,320 into their property right after pickup. 885 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,160 That's still required obviously now like 886 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,839 people have to bring the recycling in. 887 00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:59,440 just to remind folks because I think 888 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,079 people are having questions about that 889 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,760 if that makes sense that question. 890 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,480 >> Right. Um the provision in the in the 891 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,320 code of ordinances with regard to 892 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,880 placing your trash on the curb and 893 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,200 removing that uh receptacle has not 894 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,839 changed. So the only changes in this 895 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:19,680 ordinance are um to the new trash 896 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,400 collected collection process. 897 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480 >> So as of now people will have to bring 898 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,160 those once pick up they have to bring 899 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,079 the bins in. Correct. 900 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:29,040 >> Exactly. 901 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,720 >> Thank you. I know cuz people have been 902 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,950 asking, so I appreciate that. 903 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,680 » And and that's in section um 904 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,040 I don't have Oh, that is in section 911 905 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,680 and that's subsection A. It talks about 906 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,160 when the rubbish shall be placed at the 907 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,480 curbside and then when it shall be um 908 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,400 also picked up. 909 00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:34,950 >> Thank you. 910 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,440 Okay. Any more questions? 911 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,270 Going to close public hearing. 912 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,359 » Now you can um How do we want to do 913 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,520 this? 914 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,960 >> I'm gonna read the recommendation and 915 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,599 then um madame clerk has put everything 916 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,079 on the screen for everyone to see. 917 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:59,030 That's everything is the recommendation. 918 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,400 read the recommendation that too and 919 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:20,470 then move to accept 920 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,839 committee recommendation on a motion by 921 00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,599 council gray second by council Nolan the 922 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:24,880 ordinance and administration committee 923 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040 voted two in favor zero opposed one 924 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040 absent to recommend that city council 925 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,480 amend the Glouester Court ordinance 926 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040 chapter 9 trash recycling and litter as 927 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,839 follow. Chapter 9 trash recycling in 928 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:38,400 litter article one in general as 929 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,000 presented. I so move 930 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,589 >> second. 931 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:46,880 » Should I make that amendment to the 932 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,550 motion? 933 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,480 » Motion made by council majora seconded 934 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,079 by councelor Grace. Is everyone okay 935 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,870 with the way the motion was presented? 936 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,040 I know. I know. I'm just asking if if 937 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,640 everyone's okay with how that was done 938 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,119 first. 939 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,079 >> Yep, that's fine. 940 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,839 >> Okay. All right. You can make your 941 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,359 amendment. 942 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:09,920 >> All right. I move to amend uh section 943 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,640 9-2 trash collection C. Any owner of a 944 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,800 building with five or more residential 945 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,510 units to replace four with five. 946 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,560 » And I so move. 947 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,880 >> Second. Motion made by councelor Page, 948 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,720 seconded by councelor Benson. Discussion 949 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,000 on the amendment. 950 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,119 >> All those in favor? 951 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,359 >> I I post eyes have it. 7 to zero two 952 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,920 absent. Thank you very much um councelor 953 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,040 Paige for pointing that out. Now on the 954 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,470 main motion. 955 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,319 Any any discussion on the main motion? 956 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,560 Okay. All those in favor? I 957 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,599 >> I 958 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,040 >> opposed. Eyes have it. Seven to zero. 959 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,160 Two absent. 960 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:05,430 Next order. Business. Madam clerk. 961 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560 Public hearing 2026 number 21. Council 962 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,280 order 26 number six. Grace and Nolan. 963 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480 Amend GCO chapter 22 traffic and motor 964 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200 vehicles section 22-285 965 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440 parking of trucks, trailer trucks, and 966 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,839 other commercial vehicles. subsection B 967 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,680 by adding Washington Square for its 968 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,680 entirety from 10 p.m. through 6 a.m. 969 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,720 >> I'll open the public hearing. 970 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,920 And who would like to speak in favor? 971 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,359 >> Council Grace. 972 00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,359 >> I thank you. Um, first of all, just a 973 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,920 quick apology to the people who on whose 974 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640 doors and mailboxes I left notices that 975 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,720 I neglected to specify Washington 976 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,560 Square, which caused a little confusion. 977 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,760 Um, sorry about that. Um this was 978 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,680 brought forth by a couple of residents 979 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920 on the the on Washington Square who 980 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,319 reside there um [clears throat] who have 981 00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:57,680 brought it to my attention. It's 982 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,240 basically for for more than two years 983 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,560 now about the issues of uh the large 984 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,800 commercial vehicles parking on the 985 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,920 street making it difficult for um 986 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,839 emergency vehicles to get through and 987 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,000 also um causing issues with parking 988 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,160 because the large you know 12ton vehicle 989 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,480 takes up um much more than one parking 990 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,040 place. Um and but mostly it's about the 991 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,599 safety issues of of emergency vehicles 992 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,680 getting through. Um during the day, you 993 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,200 know, it's a little bit easier. People 994 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,359 are not home, but at night when um the 995 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:31,680 road is is inundated with parked cars 996 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,800 and you have a 12 um,000 pound vehicle 997 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,800 blocking the way for a firet truck or an 998 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,800 ambulance to get through. Um you know, 999 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,720 seconds save lives. And it and it's a 1000 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,880 very um it's extraordinarily dangerous 1001 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,200 if if a vehicle is trying an emergency 1002 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,560 vehicle is trying to get through and 1003 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,000 they have to go knocking on doors to 1004 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,680 find out who owns a vehicle to move it 1005 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,280 so that they can get through to wherever 1006 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,280 it is that they're going. Um you know, 1007 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,200 be it for a fire or for a medical 1008 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,839 emergency, whatever the case may be. um 1009 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:04,160 you know a small road like that cannot 1010 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,599 incorporate large you know um vehicles 1011 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,280 commercial vehicles and trailers and 1012 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,040 tractor trailer trucks blocking the 1013 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,680 roads on a on a nightly basis. So that's 1014 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,079 basically it's a safety issue. Um you 1015 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,839 know it's only overnight during the day 1016 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:19,440 as I said it's it's you know people 1017 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,359 aren't there so the vehicles can still 1018 00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:23,760 get through for the most part. Um, but 1019 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,599 the road is extremely narrow and when 1020 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,520 you've got a large vehicle that's, you 1021 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,079 know, chooses to even park on the 1022 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,079 sidewalk to make space for people to get 1023 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,200 by, which is a um against the law in and 1024 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,760 of itself, a $100 fine every time you do 1025 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,680 it. Um, supposedly uh it's, you know, it 1026 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,240 could somebody could [clears throat] be 1027 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,000 harmed, somebody could lose their home, 1028 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,839 somebody could lose their life if an 1029 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:49,920 emergency vehicle can't get through in 1030 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,079 time and seconds save lives. And if you 1031 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,680 know, if um a fireman or an EMT has to 1032 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,599 get out and go knocking on doors to get 1033 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,240 a car moved, um I would I would think 1034 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,720 that we would want to make sure that our 1035 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,280 neighbors are safe. Thank you. 1036 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:20,790 >> Anyone else like to speak in favor? 1037 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,560 Anyone 1038 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:30,069 like to speak in opposition? 1039 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:35,910 » And uh do we have any communications? 1040 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,319 Council is in receipt of one um 1041 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,319 communication received by the deadline 1042 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:44,480 to submit from Sarah Doherty who um is 1043 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,720 in support of this ordinance amendment. 1044 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,240 You did also receive another 1045 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,760 communication received after the 1046 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,839 deadline that was forwarded to everyone 1047 00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:53,920 but cannot be read into the record due 1048 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,750 to timing. 1049 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,880 » Thank you. 1050 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,520 >> Questions from the counselors? Councelor 1051 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,560 Paige, 1052 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,760 >> I do have a question maybe for Bob Ryan. 1053 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,920 What is the rule for um parking 1054 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:18,309 commercial vehicles on any city street? 1055 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:20,560 That's somewhat of a vague question. Uh 1056 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,000 there are several rulings, there are 1057 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000 several ordinances on different streets. 1058 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,680 Uh be it private roads, be it uh public 1059 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,319 roads, tractor trailers, and so forth. 1060 00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,160 They're all restricted and outlined in 1061 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,400 the city ordinances. 1062 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,109 Does that answer anything? 1063 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,760 » Yeah, that that's fine. It wasn't. 1064 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,240 >> Yeah, 1065 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,640 >> I can I can reference the ordinance like 1066 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,599 I'm I'm aware on Harbor Loop it it's 1067 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,160 dedicated commercial Roger Street 1068 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,359 >> trailer truck not commercial 1069 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:51,839 >> right 1070 00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:52,400 >> sorry 1071 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,000 >> trailer truck not commercial 1072 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,040 >> oh trailer truck 1073 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,880 >> trailer truck 18 wheelers they're 1074 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,920 defined on Roger Street Aberloop uh 1075 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,680 different areas of the city Flanigan 1076 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,160 Square uh there are several but they're 1077 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,319 all spelled out in the city ordinances 1078 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:06,960 >> thank you 1079 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960 >> okay and just to follow up with 1080 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,920 councelor Grace if I may concur. Uh 1081 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,920 safety issue on Washington Street 1082 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,160 traveling from Granite Street looping 1083 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,440 around to Washington Street uh just for 1084 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,839 a regular passenger car. It's difficult, 1085 00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,960 let alone tractors, trailers, or bigger 1086 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,240 trucks. Okay. And I'll introduce myself 1087 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,160 when I come back up. 1088 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,240 >> Thank you. 1089 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,710 were invited up. 1090 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,190 » All right. Any more questions? 1091 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,950 Close public hearing. 1092 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,200 I'll take the committee recommendation. 1093 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,720 on a motion by 1094 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,880 council grace. Seconded by myself. The 1095 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,160 ordinance and administration committee 1096 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,680 voted three in favor, zero opposed to 1097 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,200 recommend that the city council amend 1098 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000 the Boston court of ordinance chap 22 1099 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,760 traffic and motor vehicle section 22 1100 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,760 through 285 parking of trucks, trailer 1101 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000 trucks and other commercial vehicles 1102 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,400 subsection B by adding Washington Square 1103 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,880 for its entirety from 10 p.m. through 6 1104 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,440 a.m. and I so move. 1105 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,480 >> Second. 1106 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,720 >> Motion made by councelor Maja, seconded 1107 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,920 by councelor Grace. For the record, the 1108 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,839 myself is council MUA. 1109 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:27,670 Um, discussion 1110 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,520 seeing none. All those in favor? 1111 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,200 >> I opposed. 1112 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640 >> Eyes have it. Seven to zero. Um, two 1113 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,319 absent. Next order. Business. Madam 1114 00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,000 clerk. 1115 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,800 >> Book hearing 2026 number 26. Council 1116 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,880 order 2026 number 14. Memhard. Amend GCO 1117 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,359 chapter 22 traffic and motor vehicles 1118 00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:49,599 section 22-292 1119 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,160 fire lanes by deleting Rackcliffe Street 1120 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,240 westerly side from its intersection with 1121 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,319 Fremont Street in a southerntherly 1122 00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:58,240 direction for its entire length to dead 1123 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,880 end and adding Rackliff Street both 1124 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,800 sides from its intersection with Fremont 1125 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,480 Street in a southerntherly direction for 1126 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,920 its entire length to dead end. 1127 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,839 >> Thank you. I'll open the public hearing. 1128 00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:16,069 Speaking in favor, 1129 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:27,589 you have 15 minutes. 1130 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:31,040 Hello, son. Okay. So, my name is James 1131 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,000 Maslo. I live at 11 Racer Street and I'm 1132 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,750 speaking in favor of this proposition. 1133 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:48,240 I also have collected uh statements of 1134 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:53,359 totaling mine and seven other 1135 00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:56,480 butters to this lower portion of Wrath 1136 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,520 Street. All of whom are in favor of 1137 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640 having this 1138 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000 changed to have 1139 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,720 fire lane declaration on both sides of 1140 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,880 the street. 1141 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,720 In in addition to this, uh it happened 1142 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,559 that there was um an emergency call down 1143 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:23,359 at the end of Rackip Street. Um which 1144 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:27,680 and I had my camera and so uh I took a 1145 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,319 picture of the uh engine number one 1146 00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:36,000 twice. Once as it was it had already 1147 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,680 turned around and was at the head of the 1148 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,160 And then it was starting to back down. 1149 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,240 So I took that picture and another 1150 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,599 picture. And point of the pictures is 1151 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,720 that when the fire engine came up to the 1152 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,400 top of Fremont Street, it could not make 1153 00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,079 the turn. So uh some of the fire people 1154 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,160 were let off. They carried their 1155 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280 equipment down to the very end of Racker 1156 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,040 Street while the driver turned away from 1157 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,440 the fire and went up the street so that 1158 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,839 he could be straightened out and back 1159 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,960 down. And so while he was spending that 1160 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,920 extra time, these other firemen were 1161 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,040 down there starting to work the fire. Um 1162 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:31,280 that was an unfortunate but um 1163 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,800 important demonstration of why 1164 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,440 Rapler Street should be uh 1165 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,400 fire lanes on both sides that there are 1166 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,079 no vehicles interfering with the fire 1167 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,920 vehicles that travel down street. And in 1168 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,760 addition to which um 1169 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960 under 22-152 1170 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,920 the fire lanes on private ways are to 1171 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,280 ensure at least a 10-ft unobstructed 1172 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,240 path which um it would be pretty 1173 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,359 difficult if you have vehicles parked 1174 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:15,680 alongside the street. So um 1175 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:24,960 again for that reason uh we support that the fire lane be declared on both 1176 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,079 sides of the street. There are also some 1177 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,400 others here who would like to speak in 1178 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,430 favor of this motion. 1179 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:35,839 So 1180 00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,680 >> they they come up individually. They get 1181 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,640 three minutes. 1182 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,960 >> Okay. And 1183 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,960 >> you can go. You you you 1184 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:56,150 thank you. Thank you for your time. 1185 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,599 My name is, excuse [clears throat] me, 1186 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,559 my name is George Bodker. I live at 12 1187 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,359 Rackliff Street, which is the first 1188 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:06,000 house on the left after you turn the 1189 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,800 corner off Fremont Street. All of the 1190 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,920 parking spaces we're talking about lie 1191 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,400 between the corner at Rackcliffe and 1192 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,640 Fremont and my house. There were only 1193 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,839 three parking places there. I witnessed 1194 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,960 the event he's talking about when it 1195 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,200 was, you know, the fire truck did not 1196 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,880 feel comfortable, not able to get down 1197 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,680 the street. It's very difficult at best 1198 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,440 turning onto that street. Um, if cars 1199 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,240 are parked there, there is very little 1200 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,160 visibility when you come up to that 1201 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,720 intersection because of the a slightly 1202 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:44,480 ra rised yard and the vegetation there. 1203 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,800 So when you you have to get in past the 1204 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,640 intersection into the intersection 1205 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,359 before you can see it's and if there are 1206 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:53,280 cars or trucks parked there particularly 1207 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,000 if they're larger vehicles such as panel 1208 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,160 trucks that are construction mark of you 1209 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,280 there you know it's difficult for to get 1210 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,680 around the corner 1211 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,960 if if there are cars parked there and 1212 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200 someone parks across the street from 1213 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,920 like a a delivery truck or a 1214 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,000 landscaper's truck is parked in the 1215 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,839 house directly across the street from 1216 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:19,440 me, which means there are cars parked 1217 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,520 all along the street on my side where 1218 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,280 they're allowed to park. And if 1219 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,280 somebody's temporarily there, it's 1220 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,680 impossible for anybody to go down the 1221 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,319 street of an emergency vehicle until 1222 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:33,119 they locate the driver of the truck. The 1223 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,359 other thing that happens is if you're 1224 00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,359 driving up the street and cars are 1225 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,440 parked there and someone comes around 1226 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,200 the corner, it's a one-way street. So, 1227 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,400 people have to back up around into the 1228 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,920 intersection. It's not a good situation. 1229 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,079 I recommend that we eliminate the 1230 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,000 parking on the street. Thank you. 1231 00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:06,870 >> Thank you. 1232 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,680 Hi, my name's Elizabeth Lewis. I own 15 1233 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,960 Rackless Street. I sent a letter when I 1234 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,640 heard that this was going to come before 1235 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,000 you. I sent an email to all of you. 1236 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,119 just outlining a situation that happened 1237 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:24,400 in the last few years to me where 1238 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,240 fortunately it wasn't a fire but um our 1239 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,200 smoke alarms went off and would not stop 1240 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,079 and so I just called the fire department 1241 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,319 to get information on what to do but 1242 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:39,280 they kindly said they would come down 1243 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,280 and they came but they also um I'm not 1244 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,359 sure it's possible to actually turn a 1245 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:47,359 fire truck to the leftum 1246 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,400 lift, but they couldn't back down 1247 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,119 because there were cars weren't there. 1248 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,520 So, it just took a while for them to get 1249 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,040 there. And I was glad that it wasn't a 1250 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,319 real fire because that would could have, 1251 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:04,079 as Council Grace said, you know, seconds 1252 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,400 or minutes might mean lives and 1253 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,720 certainly a property. So, I I do request 1254 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:15,599 that this proposal be accepted and I 1255 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,000 think it would be for better good 1256 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640 everybody on Rackless Street. 1257 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,599 Um, and also just a little aside, I've 1258 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:27,040 always asked my guests and family to 1259 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,400 park elsewhere um when they would come 1260 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,400 if there wasn't room in my driveway. 1261 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,359 that I I'd say there's other places on 1262 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:38,640 Rocky Neck and there's the parking lot. 1263 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,750 So So be it. 1264 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:56,549 » Thank you. 1265 00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:00,480 » Hi, I'm Karen Maslo at 11 Street. Thank 1266 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,160 you for your time. 1267 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,559 Um, we sent you pictures and we sent you 1268 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,520 copies of the letters of the butters on 1269 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,079 Racko Street who are in support of 1270 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,119 having the roads stay open and wide, 1271 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,839 which means no parking on either side. 1272 00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:17,760 And the pictures that I sent you, I hope 1273 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,839 you did get a chance to look at them. 1274 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:24,319 And this was from the August 11 911 call 1275 00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:27,119 by a neighbor at the end of the street. 1276 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,040 And as you can see in the pictures, 1277 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,680 there's there's no room bicycle to be 1278 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,319 parked when the truck is back is going 1279 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:37,200 down the road. And then in addition, 1280 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,720 which we didn't even show you, but 1281 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,960 there's a picture of when the once the 1282 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,880 truck gets down there, the firemen have 1283 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,720 to get into the truck to get out of the 1284 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,359 truck what they need. So both doors go 1285 00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:49,520 flying open and they're coming and 1286 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,160 going. So there's absolutely no room on 1287 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,960 the road. And as the fire chief the fire 1288 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,359 chief had said he didn't want parking on 1289 00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,599 the street, it became crystal clear to 1290 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,880 us that is absolutely right when it when 1291 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,359 it's needed and that's the real concern 1292 00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:08,319 and we know that the police chief also 1293 00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:10,880 understands the support that we it can't 1294 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,359 support the parking. So, I'm just saying 1295 00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:16,160 once again, please please remember that 1296 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,319 we all deserve to be safe and we need 1297 00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:32,789 the the street to be open. Thank you. 1298 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,040 Good evening, uh, Council President 1299 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,440 Rose, councilors, city clerk, uh, Grace. 1300 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760 Uh, my name is Bob Bryan, three blade 1301 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,240 court here in Glasser. I'm here this 1302 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,040 evening to support the rapid street uh 1303 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,280 order providing for the fire lines on 1304 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,960 both sides of Rack Street from its 1305 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,280 intersection with Fremont Street its 1306 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,079 entire length to the dead end for both 1307 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,559 safety reasons and quality of life for 1308 00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,520 the residents of Racko Street. 1309 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,440 looking up at the balcony up there. Just 1310 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,799 to go off a little bit, I was appointed 1311 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:10,799 April 30th, 1980. I served under Leo 1312 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:14,799 Welper, Richard Silver, William Squilis, 1313 01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:18,799 Bruce Toby, William Rafter, Bruce Toby, 1314 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:22,319 John Bell, Caroline Kirk, Paul McGary, 1315 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:25,200 Safathia Romeo Taken, Safathia Romeo 1316 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,359 Taken, Greg Berger, and now Paul 1317 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:30,480 Lunberg. This is probably the tightest 1318 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,480 street I've ever seen in all these 1319 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,280 years. Uh 1320 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,000 the recommended width of travel lanes to 1321 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000 accommodate two lanes of traffic range 1322 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,359 anywhere from 20 to 24 ft. However, 1323 01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:46,079 after visiting Ratco Street, I learned 1324 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,960 that Ratco Street is no wider than 14 to 1325 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,400 15 ft, thus creating an unsafe condition 1326 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,480 for its residents should an emergency 1327 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,839 arise. When brought to uh Eric Smith's 1328 01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,920 attention, Chief Smith, he then 1329 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,920 suggested that the city's Department of 1330 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,760 Public Works engineering department 1331 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,559 conduct the sweep paths analysis to 1332 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,200 determine if in fact fire apparatus 1333 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,559 could enter and exit Raco Street safely 1334 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,400 and it was determined that it the 1335 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,760 vehicles could not. Chief Smith, based 1336 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,359 on the study, determined that it was 1337 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,680 paramount that fire lanes be established 1338 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,000 on both sides of Rockwood Street in 1339 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760 order for the fire apparatus to enter 1340 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,040 and provide the safety of its residents. 1341 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,680 As requested by council, F. Smith on May 1342 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,920 20th, 2026 1343 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,599 made a formal recommendation to 1344 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,000 establish fire lanes on both sides of 1345 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,720 Rack Street for public safety and was 1346 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,160 approved by Paul uh Mayor Paul Lundberg. 1347 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,640 In summary, the city of Alosters Police 1348 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,920 Chief, the City of Alester's Fire Chief, 1349 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,680 the Glouester traffic commission all 1350 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,160 unanimously support this order for the 1351 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,799 residents of Rack Street safety. And I 1352 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,480 ask that each and every one of you 1353 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,520 support this order as well. And just to 1354 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,480 cite uh and concur section 22152 1355 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,280 of the city's uh code of ordinances 1356 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,280 leaving vehicles unattended on private 1357 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,400 ways so as to block access for firearms. 1358 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,359 It shall be un unlawful for any person 1359 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:19,760 to leave a vehicle unattended within the 1360 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,400 limits of a private way furnishing means 1361 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,799 of access for fire rice for any 1362 01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:26,960 building. The city council shall have 1363 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,440 the authority to designate private ways 1364 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,839 and parts thereof listed in section 1365 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,680 22192 1366 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,480 as fire lanes with restrictions thereon 1367 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,760 as necessary to ensure at least a 1368 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,240 10-foot clear and unobstructed way is 1369 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,880 available at all times. And I ask that 1370 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,480 you 1371 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,880 vote on this favorably tonight. Thank 1372 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:49,920 you. 1373 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,799 >> Thank you. 1374 01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:57,910 Anyone 1375 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,720 else to speak in favor? 1376 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:05,589 >> All right. Speaking in opposition, 1377 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,640 » you have 15 minutes. 1378 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,520 >> They say and uh to be want to be a 1379 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,119 millionaire. 1380 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:14,400 >> Clock starts now. 1381 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:14,960 >> Name an end. 1382 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,280 >> My name is Michael D. Labbertie. I live 1383 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,559 on five Wy Street. I've lived in at five 1384 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:26,720 WY Street for 30 years. 30 years. So 1385 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,359 doing a little research and in and uh 1386 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,720 about the parking in this back in 90 1387 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,480 1982 1388 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,160 the councils there including 1389 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:47,520 uh Renee Nut Brown Kadi Carolina Connor all knew 1390 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,960 that in the transition of the Rockaway 1391 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,839 condominiums from the hotel it was going 1392 01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:56,880 to create some issues. 1393 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,280 Brad Cliff Street actually lost two 1394 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,480 spots on on this transition. 1395 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,920 All right. 1396 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,319 So 1397 01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:10,000 then they did a study and in that study 1398 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,240 their concern was safety and parking and 1399 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,960 as as uh Renee Gross Nutberg Nut Brown 1400 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,839 once said the biggest of the immediate 1401 01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:25,200 problems is parking. It's perennial in 1402 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,200 Rocky Neck. 1403 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,920 So now you're gonna you're about to take 1404 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,359 away two parking spots right now for and 1405 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:38,160 this is from 82. 1406 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,000 That is 44 years of 1407 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,640 uh trucks going down trash trucks going 1408 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,039 down. Uh fire uh well even fire trucks 1409 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:53,359 for that matter and and city trucks. 1410 01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:58,000 They've gone down for 44 years. What's 1411 01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,760 changed? 1412 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,760 I ask you, what's changed? All of a 1413 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,359 sudden, 1414 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:05,359 Red, this end of Radcliffe Street is a 1415 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,160 danger and then you're using then you're 1416 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,200 using these ordinance, right? Well, let 1417 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,280 me tell you, 1418 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,319 if you use these ordinance, what's next? 1419 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:19,119 Fremont Street, WY Street, they're all 1420 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,720 tight quarters. Rocky Radcliffe Street 1421 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,720 is really not much w smaller than WY 1422 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,880 Street or Fremont Street. In fact, if 1423 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,839 you try to go up Fremont Street, chances 1424 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:33,680 are I'm always looking for the scratches 1425 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,000 on my car because it's so tight. And yet 1426 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,240 there's parking on Fremont Street and 1427 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,839 then there's three three spots on 1428 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,400 Fremont. You going to go after them? No, 1429 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,680 I know you're not. I know you're not. 1430 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,359 But the thing is, what's changed? What's 1431 01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:53,119 causing all these problems? For 44 1432 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,599 years, nothing went wrong. Everybody 1433 01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,079 knows that when you went down to Fremont 1434 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,880 Street, you had to back down for the 1435 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,520 fire. The fire people knew that. They 1436 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,680 knew it then. 1437 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,599 Carolyn Okconer, she was in the city 1438 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,400 council. She she voted for it. Combat. 1439 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,520 They all knew that parking was going to 1440 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,160 be an issue and safety. But they passed 1441 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,799 it. They passed it. And now you're 1442 01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:22,480 asking to take away two spots. How many 1443 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,559 spots do you think there are in that 1444 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:29,990 area? Five, six. 1445 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,799 This is not the way to to answer this 1446 01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:35,920 solution. There has to be a better way. 1447 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,799 Rocky Neck has always had problems. And 1448 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,680 yet, here we go. We're going to say, and 1449 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,559 then remember 1450 01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,400 there's the fire lane when you turn 1451 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,039 left. Okay? when there's a fire lane and 1452 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:51,920 like I said, the fire trucks have to 1453 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,280 back down. If they're going to come 1454 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,240 straight in, they have to come in by the 1455 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,480 other side of Rackless Street by the 1456 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,119 condos. And it's a one-way street. And it's been a 1457 01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,200 one-way street for almost a whole year, 1458 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,880 even though it's supposed to change. But 1459 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,799 it hasn't changed. It's still a one-way 1460 01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:10,720 street. 1461 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,720 What has changed to cause this problem? 1462 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,200 I know what it is. is the dynamics of 1463 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,359 the neighborhood. But I'm not supposed 1464 01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:22,160 to say that, but I'm saying it anyway. 1465 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,440 This This is wrong for the neighborhood. 1466 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,760 This is wrong. This is wrong because WY 1467 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,760 Street falls into the same category. 1468 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,440 Horton Street falls into the same 1469 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,079 category. Fremont Street falls into the 1470 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,480 same category. You can get them all shut 1471 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,119 down if you want. 1472 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,319 Please, please think of what you're 1473 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:46,720 doing. Rocking Neck has always had 1474 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,480 parking problems. And now, not to beat a 1475 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,000 dead horse, but for 44 years, nothing 1476 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,559 has been wrong with that. Nothing at 1477 01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:01,200 all. Life went on as usual. Life went on 1478 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,440 as usual. 1479 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,079 But now, huh, 1480 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,319 I can't. The fire truck. They know they 1481 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,480 have to back down there. That's no 1482 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,079 surprise. 1483 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,000 And when the and when they did that 1484 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,199 traffic study and put that 10 or 15 feet 1485 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,400 there for the fire lane and put those 1486 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,719 two legal they are legal approved city 1487 01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:26,640 parking laws and I'm going to call them 1488 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,040 now public enemy number one and public 1489 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,960 enemy number two because that's what 1490 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,199 it's all about. 1491 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,759 And the cars that are they say that they 1492 01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:37,359 were blocking this, they're not supposed 1493 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,679 to be there, right? They're not supposed 1494 01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:41,520 to be there. What am I going to say? 1495 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,759 It's an uninforcable ordinance. They 1496 01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:46,400 know they're not supposed to be there. 1497 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,759 Where where are you going to park? At 1498 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:52,400 least you gave them two spots, 1499 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,520 but now you're going to take it away. 1500 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,799 This is wrong. Rocking neck is too tight 1501 01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:01,679 to think that you going to take two 1502 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,920 spots away. That leaves us three. 1503 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,799 Do the right thing. Use good judgment. 1504 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,040 There has to be a better way to address 1505 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,400 this problem than to eliminate two spots 1506 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,560 that Carolina Carter voted for it. KMAD 1507 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,600 voted for that. They knew. They knew 1508 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,679 there was safety issues there and they 1509 01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,640 knew the neighborhood needed parking. 1510 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,279 They knew it. It said in this paper in 1511 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,279 the Times, read the Times in September 1512 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:35,359 of uh September of 82, October 82. They 1513 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,600 addressed this. They even formed a 1514 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,640 committee to address it. 1515 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,480 Please 1516 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,719 passing this ordinance. What are you 1517 01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:47,040 telling the rest of Rocky Neck? What are 1518 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,359 you telling them? You might as well shut 1519 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,440 down Wy Street and Fremont Street. 1520 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:56,960 is probably shorter than Radcliffe Street. 1521 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,760 Okay, think about it. What has caused 1522 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,000 all these problems? There has to be a 1523 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,880 better way. That's my story and I'm 1524 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,520 sticking with it. 1525 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,760 Thank you. Anyone else like to speak in 1526 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:16,950 opposition? 1527 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,600 Oh, this is an opposition. You You spoke 1528 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,760 already. 1529 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:29,910 Mike. Mike, sit down. 1530 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,800 Hi, my name is Gail Saraphene and all I 1531 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:33,920 want to say is 1532 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,120 >> two five WY street. 1533 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,960 Everybody in that area is very careful 1534 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,400 about what they do. 1535 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,560 And because it's so hard to park, 1536 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,960 people are careful. I often back out and 1537 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,840 then go backwards down the street, but 1538 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,120 it's too 1539 01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,520 >> you have to 1540 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,520 >> to go forward. 1541 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,159 Um 1542 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,520 I don't I I everybody tries. It's all I 1543 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,920 can say. Everybody tries. So 1544 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,320 in general, 1545 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,040 people don't want to make waves. That's 1546 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,440 why they try. They don't want to be 1547 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,600 abused. They don't want to abuse anybody 1548 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,440 else and and that's all I have to say. 1549 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:27,120 Everybody goes out of their way. 1550 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,390 >> Thank you. 1551 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:37,669 Anyone else to speak in opposition? 1552 01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:39,199 » Communications. 1553 01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,040 >> We do. These communications are in 1554 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,880 favor. Um Karen, Jake, and James. I 1555 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,159 don't know if Jake and James are one and 1556 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:49,679 the same. Maslo at 11 Rackcliffe. Rose 1557 01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:52,880 Botker at 12 Rackcliffe. Elizabeth Lewis 1558 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,880 at 15 Rackcliffe. Gabriella Chaptoning 1559 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,760 17 Rackcliffe. Jennifer Taylor 18 1560 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,239 Rackcliffe. Josh Silverman 19 1561 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,960 Rackcliffe. Susan Dodd 10 Fremont 1562 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,239 Street. E. Elizabeth Lewis 15 Rackcliffe 1563 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,400 Street. And we also received a 1564 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,920 communication from the fire chief 1565 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,760 regarding the swept path analysis. 1566 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,239 Thank you. 1567 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:25,590 >> Okay. Questions from counselors. 1568 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,640 Just one question. Um and I believe the 1569 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,320 gentleman I don't know your name sorry 1570 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,040 the Kane said that that area has like 1571 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,120 landscapers that come to the 1572 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,159 neighborhood. If you put the U fire 1573 01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:39,920 lanes on both sides where are these 1574 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,199 vehicles going to park in someone's 1575 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,040 driveway? Is there a parking spot for 1576 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,520 the businesses to do their work or will 1577 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,920 they be parked in the driveway? 1578 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,199 Because if this passes, they cannot park 1579 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:59,189 there to do anyone's work, yard work. 1580 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,360 That's I'm asking you, so I don't know 1581 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,600 if you want to go up to the mic. I just 1582 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,520 want to make sure that if we're doing no 1583 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,480 parking that no one parks there even 1584 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:10,080 >> come up to answer questions 1585 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,360 >> but just the questions 1586 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:12,640 >> actually it probably should be for Mr. 1587 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:13,520 Maslo. 1588 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,360 >> Oh anyone 1589 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,320 Maslo? 1590 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:16,960 >> Yeah. 1591 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,960 >> Okay. 1592 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,920 >> Well, he presented right. Sorry. 1593 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,520 >> I might be wrong. Hold on. Sorry. Hold 1594 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:24,480 on. 1595 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:25,679 >> Go ahead. 1596 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,600 >> If you can I don't want to argue with 1597 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,239 anybody. I just want to 1598 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,840 >> The question is the question is isapers 1599 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:34,159 park. 1600 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:37,840 >> I have a I I happen to live in a house 1601 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,679 which was constructed on what was 1602 01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:43,600 formerly the the the 1603 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,520 what do you call it the parking place 1604 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,520 the carriage house for the Rockaway 1605 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,600 Hotel. All right. And and 1606 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,080 we actually own the lot beside us. Sir 1607 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,480 other people. Sir, excuse me. Sir, the 1608 01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:59,440 question is is 1609 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:00,800 >> three parking places in 1610 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,239 >> sir. You can't rebuttle right now. This 1611 01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,000 is not a rebuttal question. Sir, 1612 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,120 >> I we make we make the we only have one 1613 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:07,520 car. 1614 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,760 >> I asked you the parking places available 1615 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,600 to people. That's all I'm trying to say. 1616 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,159 Okay. Is we try to make the parking the 1617 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,159 parking places are available. 1618 01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,080 >> We only use one and we make them 1619 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,520 available to anybody who needs them. 1620 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,800 That's all I'm trying to say. 1621 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,400 >> Okay. Okay. For your for your spot, the 1622 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,960 landscapers can park in your in your you 1623 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,640 can fit the dump truck and the trailer 1624 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,870 in your driveway. 1625 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,280 » If I recall, your question was 1626 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,000 >> is landscapers and contractors. 1627 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,159 >> Where are they going to park? 1628 01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:41,760 Well, uh, across the street from where 1629 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,239 George is living is, uh, 1630 01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,360 13 Rack Street, which has a lot of 1631 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,719 landscapers, and they park on the grass 1632 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:56,719 if they can. If other times when it the 1633 01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:58,480 street is open, they just park on the 1634 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:03,920 street. So, um, depending on what the 1635 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,040 conditions are, they if there's parking 1636 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,719 on the street, then they park on the 1637 01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:12,080 grass, and if the street is open, then 1638 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,640 they park on street. So, 1639 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,239 >> a little difficult to mow the grass if 1640 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,840 you're parked on it. 1641 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,520 >> Well, you have to move your vehicles. 1642 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:20,719 It's tough, but 1643 01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:22,159 >> Right. So, that that's the question is 1644 01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,159 if you eliminate these parking spaces on 1645 01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:25,920 this street, where are these trades 1646 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,000 people going to park? They're going to 1647 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,600 have to be moved into the other streets 1648 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,679 in the neighborhood. Is that correct? 1649 01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:36,239 >> I think that they have a very large 1650 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,199 driveway that leads on. 1651 01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,320 >> There are two driveways at 13 rackless. 1652 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,000 >> Right. That's 13. But there's several 1653 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,480 other um build houses on the street. 1654 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,800 >> Well, first off, are we talking public 1655 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,199 safety here? 1656 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:54,640 >> Well, we could talk about every street 1657 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,840 in Gloucester when it comes to 1658 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,880 landscapers. So, um, we're talking about 1659 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,719 where where do you anticipate 1660 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:06,080 these vehicles will park? Contractors 1661 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,640 and landscapers. Where will they park 1662 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,960 when there's no parking on the street? 1663 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,159 They're not going to be parking in 1664 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:13,840 everybody's yards. Where are they going 1665 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,310 to park? 1666 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,520 There's park there's there's extra 1667 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,199 parking spaces in the 1668 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:32,560 uh flat area to the downside of where 1669 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,040 George is living. There are some extra 1670 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:42,400 parking spaces where Elizabeth is living. There are two driveways 1671 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,159 at 13. There are many different places 1672 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,880 where vehicles can be placed but which 1673 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,400 would not obscure 1674 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,000 >> someone who's working at 11 Radcliffe 1675 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,400 Street is going their landscaper is 1676 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,719 going to park down at 15 Radcliffe 1677 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:00,480 Street. Are you telling me your neighbor 1678 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,760 is going to allow the landscaper to park 1679 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,840 um on their property? I mean, this is 1680 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,080 just we're trying to see what h what 1681 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,400 >> what what this what is your what is your 1682 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,640 answer? Where are these trades people 1683 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,760 going to park? Um driveways are other 1684 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,840 people's private property. So, that's 1685 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,239 not really a legitimate place. So, I'm 1686 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:23,920 asking you where you anticipate they're 1687 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,159 going to park. 1688 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,159 If the property owners 1689 01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,840 give permission for someone to park on 1690 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,280 their driveway, then it's not a that's 1691 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,709 not an issue. And 1692 01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:45,199 » and 1693 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,440 excuse me. 1694 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:52,000 So if the uh 1695 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,800 if the owners allow parking on their 1696 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,000 driveway and so they have to do some 1697 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,920 movement back and forth in order to get 1698 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:04,080 everything done, that's their business. 1699 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,360 In addition to which there is there are 1700 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,719 other homes along the way that have 1701 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:13,040 excess parking 1702 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:19,760 and the and the uh the large area to 1703 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,400 number 12 downside of the street is very 1704 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,199 large and open and he's given 1705 01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:29,760 supervision of that. So there are plenty 1706 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,040 of areas where the um 1707 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,960 >> but would those areas also be available 1708 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,400 for public parking? 1709 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,719 >> Public parking? It's not up to me to 1710 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:40,080 say. 1711 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:40,880 >> Thank you. 1712 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,320 >> They're p well they're private 1713 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,880 driveways. So 1714 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,560 don't I don't know. 1715 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,480 >> Property on Rackcliff Street. We all 1716 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,440 live on postage stamps for property. 1717 01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,239 Most of us don't even have landscapers. 1718 01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,840 One or two of the houses do have 1719 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,400 landscapers and they park on their 1720 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,159 property to do it in the driveway. It's 1721 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,320 just not a big problem on Lo Street. The 1722 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,960 property is too small. I mean, I I I 1723 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,400 don't say it's not a problem, but yes, 1724 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,920 they would not be able to park on the 1725 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,910 street. 1726 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,360 » That's a Grace question. 1727 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,040 >> Yeah. Um, there were fire lane signs on 1728 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,960 Ragcliffe at one point in time and they 1729 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,960 were they were removed. What happened to 1730 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,800 those? 1731 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,239 We had we asked DBW to remove one sign 1732 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:31,600 just to move it 1733 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,080 >> when we had our driveway gone from a 1734 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,560 single car to a double car. 1735 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:37,120 >> So 1736 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,080 >> wait wait wait and excuse me. No, no, I 1737 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,000 haven't finished answer question. 1738 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,760 >> Mike Hale, I went and talked with him 1739 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,360 and asked him what we were going to do 1740 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,480 and he said he put the sign on the flat 1741 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:51,199 on the telephone pole at the corner of 1742 01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:53,920 Fremont and Rackliff with two arrows 1743 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,080 fire lane in two directions and that was 1744 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,239 his solution for that sign. If there was 1745 01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,159 another sign later further down the 1746 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:01,520 road, I know nothing about it. 1747 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,280 >> At what point in time did you enlarge 1748 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,520 your driveway? 1749 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,280 >> How many years ago? 1750 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,760 >> Probably 1751 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:10,800 10 years ago. 1752 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,640 >> And prior to enlarging your driveway, 1753 01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,920 was there an issue with people parking? 1754 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,159 >> No, people didn't. People never used to 1755 01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,360 park across there. They didn't. We had 1756 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,120 to park our car and that's why we went 1757 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,960 to a double driveway because we didn't 1758 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,880 like having to park our second car over 1759 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,760 there when it was down because we had we 1760 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,440 didn't have we only had room for one 1761 01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,480 car. So this whole we we arrived here 1762 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:36,800 tonight basically because when you 1763 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,360 enlarged your driveway, it escalated 1764 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,040 into a problem with parking on the 1765 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:41,280 street. 1766 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,840 >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not why 1767 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,840 we're here tonight. We're here tonight. 1768 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,960 As parking started to grow on Rack 1769 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,600 Street, it became clear that this was 1770 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,080 unsustainable. And as you see from the 1771 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,080 letters and the neighbors, nobody was 1772 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,679 happy on it. Can I just add I had my 1773 01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,120 property for 35 years and for up until 1774 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:07,040 10 years ago that carriage house had 1775 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,679 property had parking for three cars in 1776 01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:11,120 front of it because there was that much 1777 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,719 space between the street and the 1778 01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:14,480 building. So that's why Carolyn O' 1779 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,239 Connor and the others wouldn't have 1780 01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:19,760 thought it was an issue back then. And I 1781 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,560 just put in a parking spot in front of 1782 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,920 my house this year for 1783 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,920 um service vehicles and whatever myself, 1784 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,239 extra guests, whatever. Um so I feel 1785 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:36,560 like I have parking. The people across 1786 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,120 the street from me have parking. Gabby 1787 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,800 parking. People at the end of the street 1788 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,600 have parking. There's really almost no 1789 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,840 one that doesn't have space for an 1790 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,960 emergency. I mean for um their 1791 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,159 landscapers except for the people with 1792 01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:55,120 the grass but you know they could always 1793 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,199 move it they had to. 1794 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,080 So just to re you know kind of um build 1795 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,239 upon what council marot said about 1796 01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,080 landscaping trucks. It's just do you 1797 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,960 understand that it's all vehicles. It's 1798 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,920 whether your grandkids come to visit or 1799 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,320 the landscaper comes or the pizza 1800 01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,400 delivery guy decides to hang out. It 1801 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,320 doesn't whoever whatever the case may 1802 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,600 be, nobody can park on that street. Um 1803 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,600 and I'm assured that it will be 1804 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,840 patrolled 1805 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,480 extensively to make sure that you know 1806 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:31,760 if if this goes forward that you adhere 1807 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,120 to what you're requesting 100%. Not only 1808 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,679 do we agree, it's putting us back to 1809 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:40,800 where we were before the sign on the 1810 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,120 other side of the street was moved that 1811 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,840 created this opening to parking. The the 1812 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,920 lack of clarity on that sign which says 1813 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,639 so many feet to the to the corner, no 1814 01:22:54,639 --> 01:22:56,960 parking, but it doesn't say what's 1815 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,280 happening behind it. So that's when 1816 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,760 parking started to happen. And before 1817 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,480 that, no one was parking. 1818 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,120 So yes, we will go back to that and 1819 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,360 we'll be happily living in that 1820 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,440 condition. 1821 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,400 Besides, I'll add one other thing. In 1822 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,120 the years that have changed 1823 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,639 in the past years, u 1824 01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:24,239 street or the condominiums, 1825 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:28,560 uh people have two parking lots each 1826 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,960 underneath and there are people there 1827 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,199 with three cars 1828 01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:37,520 and at on street there are whatever's 1829 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,679 there. not involved street 1830 01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:44,239 kind of they would come up and claim 1831 01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:48,000 that they can park our street but 1832 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,440 >> well I think that what they were trying 1833 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,920 to point out is that there's narrow 1834 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,760 streets all over Rocky Neck there's 1835 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,600 narrow streets all over the entire city 1836 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,600 of Gloucester there's many streets 1837 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,040 downtown that shouldn't have parking on 1838 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,760 them because it creates a safety hazard 1839 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,840 you know that's that's I believe that's 1840 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,639 what his point was Okay, that made 1841 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:11,280 >> and and the the the lieutenant the fire 1842 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,040 lieutenant who was there on the site 1843 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,320 visit said you know the cluster fire 1844 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,639 department deals with this on a regular 1845 01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:20,159 daily basis and all throughout 1846 01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:22,639 Gloucester the narrow streets. So while 1847 01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:25,199 it's a safety issue it's a safety issue 1848 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:29,199 throughout our city and if we tried to 1849 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:31,360 make no parking on every street that 1850 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,120 it's a safety issue we would be really 1851 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:37,440 in a huge bind. Um so council Benson. 1852 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,080 >> Yeah. Can someone just uh so a couple 1853 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,880 things. Um first question is remind me 1854 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,600 um council president um what is the 1855 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,360 position of the fire department on this? 1856 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,120 They're supportive of this or have they 1857 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,280 not made a official position just 1858 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,560 because there's been a lot going I just 1859 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:52,880 want to 1860 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,040 >> No, the chief wrote he said in favor of 1861 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,080 a fire. 1862 01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,679 >> Okay. Um and then my other question is 1863 01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:02,560 um if I may to those that spoke in 1864 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,080 opposition 1865 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,440 um if they may is do you think 1866 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,840 understanding your points are you also 1867 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,520 thinking that this could set a 1868 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,159 precedent? 1869 01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:13,520 >> You need to make room at the podium. 1870 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,239 >> Yeah. If this could could this set from 1871 01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:17,600 what I'm understanding from you could 1872 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,280 this set a precedent to lead to other 1873 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,840 streets. Is that your concern? 1874 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,080 >> Yeah. Yeah. you can do and just make 1875 01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,760 sure that if you understand my question, 1876 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,600 I think I think I'm understanding what 1877 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,199 you're saying. You feel that this could 1878 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,360 set a precedent for other streets. Is 1879 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:32,719 that what I'm is that part of your 1880 01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:33,360 concern? 1881 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,920 >> Well, what my concern is that if you're 1882 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,199 using what Bobby had Mr. Ryan or Bobby 1883 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:40,719 had had said that, you know, the street 1884 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:44,080 is too slow, too small on that end and 1885 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,320 then, you know, it violates the width of 1886 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,320 it. 1887 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,639 Fremont Street's the same width off 1888 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:54,080 smaller. WY Street fits in the same 1889 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:58,800 category. You c you can't cherrypick 1890 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,920 what you want to do with what street. 1891 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,719 You can't cherrypick it. Look at you. If 1892 01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:07,440 you pass that on and tomorrow someone 1893 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,840 could turn around and say, "Look at 1894 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,239 there's no P." Do you ever go up Fremont 1895 01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,400 Street? Every time I go up Fremont 1896 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,000 Street, I have to check my car for 1897 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,480 scratches. There's I'm surprised a fire 1898 01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,080 truck even makes it up there. Tell you 1899 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,639 the truth to answering the question. 1900 01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:26,080 >> Yeah. So, if I may, you get quite I get 1901 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,920 excited too when I feel passionate about 1902 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,840 stuff. So, just so you think that it 1903 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,320 it's a slippery slope. It could lead to 1904 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,000 someone on Fremont Street asking for 1905 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,199 this, too. 1906 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:38,400 >> I'm That's basically I appreciate. Thank 1907 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:38,719 you. 1908 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,600 >> Can I just say 1909 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,400 All right, forget it. I was gonna 1910 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,600 >> You know what? I was just going 1911 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,760 >> question for you that you may that you 1912 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,840 can answer maybe. Um are you concerned 1913 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,960 of spillover of trades people who now 1914 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,400 will no longer be able to park on 1915 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,719 Radcliffe Street? Is that a concern that 1916 01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:02,480 they would then be pushed into Fremont 1917 01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,990 into WY? 1918 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,199 Yes, true. But 1919 01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:14,639 free Fremont Street, this there's three spots. I we fight with the the 1920 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,960 Rockaway Condominia people park there. 1921 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,880 It's not open. It's not easily to park 1922 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,679 there. Okay, there's three spots. It's 1923 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:27,360 not easy. And the remember the fire 1924 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,600 lane, the fire hydrants on the right 1925 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,880 hand side. The fire the the the fire 1926 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,880 department knows they have to go down to 1927 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,719 the right hand side. They can't go on 1928 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:40,400 the left hand side. They know that. 1929 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:40,800 >> Thank you. 1930 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:47,430 >> Go get them. 1931 01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,840 » There's a question. Wait a minute. 1932 01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,280 >> I have a question from the residents of 1933 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,960 WY of 1934 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,639 >> Radcliffe 1935 01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:59,199 >> of Radcliff I'm sorry of Lower Radcliffe 1936 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,440 Street. 1937 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:03,280 If you all have driveways and they're 1938 01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,840 utilized as you say, who is parking on 1939 01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,840 the lower end of your street to cause 1940 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:15,669 these obstructions? 1941 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,800 He he has the the man in the middle that 1942 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,400 he needs to speak because he's he was 1943 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:28,790 the presenter, right? 1944 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,000 As I understand your question, if there 1945 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,840 are cars parked down at the end at the 1946 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,520 dead end of Rack Street. 1947 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,719 >> No. If you all have driveways and you 1948 01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:42,800 all utilize them and some of you have 1949 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,800 made accommodations to widen them for 1950 01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,719 your vehicles 1951 01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:50,560 whose vehicles are parked on Radcliffe 1952 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,199 Street causing these obstructions. 1953 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,040 >> Um, 1954 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,120 it could be anyone. It could be anyone 1955 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,280 who's looking for a place to park. And 1956 01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:06,719 because there are signs that are confusing, they 1957 01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:09,840 are able to put their cars in a place 1958 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,840 that was was 1959 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,159 um no parking. Uh or I was led to 1960 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,840 believe it was no parking. And after 1961 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,520 that sign was put there 1962 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,159 so many feet to the corner you couldn't 1963 01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:31,760 park it it left the rest of it well I 1964 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,800 guess I can park down below that that 1965 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,120 was on the east side the east side of 1966 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,120 the street. 1967 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,430 So um 1968 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:49,920 you're asking me who would else be 1969 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,760 parking wherever 1970 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,280 >> you know you you must have a sense of 1971 01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,840 who uses you. Is it tourists that are 1972 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,480 going through Rocky Neck? Is it guests 1973 01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,800 of other households? 1974 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,960 Is it a random selection? I'm not clear 1975 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,430 who's obstructing your street 1976 01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:15,199 » at the time that the at the time that uh 1977 01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:18,719 we were asked about construction people 1978 01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:23,520 gardeners come when people have gone to 1979 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:28,560 work or whatever. So it's not 1980 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,910 >> I think she 1981 01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,639 » he's saying landscapers come in in 1982 01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,719 service. You say gardeners. 1983 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:41,840 >> Yes. But it's at a time when other cars 1984 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,880 aren't parking because they've gone 1985 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,440 wherever. Uh 1986 01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,800 there's a there's a flow of cars that 1987 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,040 are parked on the street and uh 1988 01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,920 sometimes it's for a day, sometimes it's 1989 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,280 just a short period of time, but during 1990 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:10,400 that period of time then uh the the gardeners or whoever will use some 1991 01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,120 else to park 1992 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,000 >> the people that are parking on Rackler 1993 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,560 do not live from Fremont Street down to 1994 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,440 the dead end. We all leave that open. 1995 01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,440 The people that park, there are people 1996 01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:27,199 either on Wy Street on uh the other side 1997 01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:29,440 of Ripo Street. Sometimes they park 1998 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:31,600 because they own two three cars but have 1999 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,080 two spaces. So, a car has to go on the 2000 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,239 street. Sometimes they have company, 2001 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,719 maybe they have company for the weekend. 2002 01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:40,719 Their company needs to park or they want 2003 01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:42,880 to park their car so their company can 2004 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,800 park at their house. 2005 01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,280 It's a lot of it's longterm parking. It 2006 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,120 ends up being that somebody parks and 2007 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,800 keeps the car there for four or five 2008 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,120 days, a month maybe. We had a car this 2009 01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,280 month summer for two months on 2010 01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:04,950 >> Sorry, one at a time, please. 2011 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,560 » As far as I understand, I don't think 2012 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,480 there's parking on either side of WY 2013 01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:11,679 Street. So, the people who are arguing 2014 01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:14,000 about this 2015 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,000 Okay. Sorry. 2016 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:16,639 >> Anyway, 2017 01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:18,960 >> um we're just asking questions to get 2018 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:19,679 answered. 2019 01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:25,910 >> Thank you. 2020 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,480 » Can I have um Bob Ryan come up please? I 2021 01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,920 have um just 2022 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,520 >> thank you 2023 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,760 >> um a follow-up question I guess with 2024 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,520 regarding the sizes of the streets and 2025 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,920 what and how they compare 2026 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,800 um based on what the gentleman said back 2027 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,040 there based on the sizes and then that's 2028 01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,280 pretty much my first question. 2029 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,719 >> Okay. Like the width of the streets each 2030 01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:51,440 lane should be at least 10 ft. We don't 2031 01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,920 have that on on 2032 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,480 the lower end. To answer the question, 2033 01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,960 who's parking there? The people on WY 2034 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,239 Street are parking there. I took a poll 2035 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,320 some time ago back the end of last 2036 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,960 summer. Uh we talked about who's parking 2037 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,719 there. I came up with the idea if 2038 01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:10,560 someone has a cookout, where do they 2039 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,520 park? They said, well, within 300 yards, 2040 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,600 we have a 54 2041 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,840 vehicle parking lot right on the other 2042 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,840 end of Fremont. You walk over the hill, 2043 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,199 300 yards, you got 54 spaces. Maybe not 2044 01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:25,280 54 available, but you're going to have 2045 01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,159 10, 15. So, if a landscap is coming to 2046 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:30,159 the house, I asked some of the uh 2047 01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,320 residents, the landscaper comes, where 2048 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,960 do they park? We'll move our cars maybe 2049 01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,440 down to the public lot, the landscaper 2050 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:39,679 pulls in the driveway, but not that many 2051 01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:44,080 have landscapers. Does that help? 2052 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,760 >> Yes, it does. just because you know he 2053 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,360 mentioned it and that was a I felt like 2054 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,360 an opportunity to ask a good question. 2055 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,679 Um can you talk into the size of the 2056 01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:56,080 streets? Um how they compare to the two 2057 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,080 streets that the gentleman has said that 2058 01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,719 has parking just for reference. 2059 01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:02,719 >> Frank I didn't go down and measure WY 2060 01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:04,800 Street so I can't answer that. Or the 2061 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,719 other side of Rackcliff I was only 2062 01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:08,880 concerned with from Fremont Street to 2063 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,920 the dead end that width on emergency 2064 01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,840 vehicles getting down there. I did not 2065 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,080 measure the other ones. With all respect 2066 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,880 to Mr. Delberty, known him all my life, 2067 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,360 with all due respect, uh he said the 2068 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,239 city council uh issued no parking and so 2069 01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:26,000 forth. The council does not have the 2070 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,960 authority to issue no parking on private 2071 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,840 ways other than fire lanes. And that's 2072 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,000 the that's our city ordinances. You 2073 01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,560 can't regulate no parking in any private 2074 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,679 road in the city. That's a fact. Suzanne 2075 01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,679 Egan, she can come aboard and answer 2076 01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:44,080 that. We went through this. That's why 2077 01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,320 it's fire lanes rather than no parking 2078 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,800 run. City council doesn't have the 2079 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,239 authority. If we impose fire lanes from 2080 01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:55,760 the fire chief, then you can put 2081 01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,920 fire lanes. That's the only authority 2082 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,440 the council page. 2083 01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:02,000 >> Thank you. 2084 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,840 >> So we have no authority in this 2085 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:04,639 ordinance. 2086 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,199 >> You do for fire lanes only, but Mike had 2087 01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:10,320 alluded to no parking. the city back in 2088 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,520 1982 or 83, they couldn't regulate it. 2089 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:14,880 was a city ordinance. The council 2090 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,520 couldn't do it. But anyway, fire lanes. 2091 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,360 >> So, we're calling this a fire lane. 2092 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,040 >> Fire lanes. That's what you're voting on 2093 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,440 tonight based on the recommendation from 2094 01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:26,880 the chief that President uh uh G had 2095 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,199 received. You can vote on fire lanes 2096 01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,199 only on private ways. 2097 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,960 >> Does a fire lane have to be a certain 2098 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,600 width, a minimum width? 2099 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,639 >> Yeah, it has to accommodate 2100 01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:38,719 >> I think it does. has to accommodate fire 2101 01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:40,400 apparatus. That's correct. Yes. 2102 01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,600 >> But I think there's a minimum width 2103 01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,600 designation for that. 2104 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,520 >> That I'd have to defer to Chief Smith, 2105 01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,000 but he couldn't get they did the sweep 2106 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,199 path analysis. I think uh uh Grace, we 2107 01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:57,760 had passed that out. Uh when they did 2108 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,600 the study, the apparatus couldn't make 2109 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,280 the swing. And that's why he's 2110 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,080 recommending putting two fire lanes on 2111 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,800 both sides of Racko Street. 2112 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,560 And the council has the authority to 2113 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,600 vote that in. 2114 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,639 >> And I I appreciate your clarity, Bob. 2115 01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:17,840 Repeat this for me again. 2116 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,800 >> Private way public access. That's how 2117 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,320 these roads are done. 2118 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:26,000 >> The city council has no authority to e 2119 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,000 to say no parking, residentonly parking, 2120 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,560 anything. The only authority we have is 2121 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,320 to designate a fire lane. 2122 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,800 >> That's correct. So, we need to review 2123 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,520 all these residentonly parking areas 2124 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,400 they've just put up, right? If they're a 2125 01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,360 public way, private way, public access, 2126 01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,199 we don't have that authority. 2127 01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,520 >> Going back uh councelor Paige before 2128 01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,840 your time, I think, and I brought this 2129 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,199 to councelor Mhad's attention, we set up 2130 01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:58,719 a couple years ago, we have 44 uh 2131 01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:00,880 resident sticker parking only streets in 2132 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:04,000 the city. on the private ones. There was 2133 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,760 like 18 private ones. We had no 2134 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,600 authority. So, anybody got a ticket, 2135 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,880 >> how would it challenge that? Anybody got 2136 01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:12,400 a ticket, they could come back. A matter 2137 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,719 of fact, I asked for how many citations 2138 01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:18,560 were issued? Over 3,000 citations. Now, 2139 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,960 think about it. 3,000 times, chief. 2140 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,239 $100. What? $100? Think about that. 2141 01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:28,480 3,000 times $100 the city took and 2142 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:30,000 really didn't have the authority to do 2143 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,760 that. Okay, that's 2144 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,440 >> you sound like you have a real handle on 2145 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,040 this, Bob. We need the traffic 2146 01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,679 commission to look at all these 2147 01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:40,000 >> private way public access roads and if 2148 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,719 we're in violation, 2149 01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:44,560 we need that addressed, 2150 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,560 >> right? I have a list of all the streets, 2151 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,560 public streets, private streets in the 2152 01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,440 city. In order to regulate no parking, 2153 01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:54,000 take it a step further, to regulate and 2154 01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,000 for all the counselor's benefits, to 2155 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,480 regulate no parking or private ways, we 2156 01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,600 have to have 60% of the residents sign a 2157 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,600 petition to come before the city 2158 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,800 council. Okay, Scott, we've gone through 2159 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,560 this many times. 60% of the residents on 2160 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,520 a private way on a private way petitions 2161 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,679 to council, then you can vote for no 2162 01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:18,560 parking. But we can't unilaterally like 2163 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,199 Mike said back then I guarantee they 2164 01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:22,560 didn't have we can look at the records 2165 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,119 we didn't have 60% of the residents that 2166 01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:28,239 said okay make it no parking they didn't 2167 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:31,600 >> no parking is one area above does it 2168 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,679 also apply to residentonly parking 2169 01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:36,239 >> which 2170 01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:40,960 >> yes can on a private way public access 2171 01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,760 can the council regulate residentonly 2172 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:44,400 parking 2173 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,239 >> not on a not on a private 2174 01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:48,080 No, but again, that would be something I 2175 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,679 would defer to Suzanne Egan on that. 2176 01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:54,639 >> If it's a pri if it's a private road to 2177 01:38:54,639 --> 01:38:55,520 Radcliffe Street. 2178 01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,360 >> Yeah, tonight we're talking fire lane. 2179 01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:58,800 >> Yeah, fire lanes also, 2180 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,400 >> which you have the authority to do, 2181 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:01,360 councelor Paige. 2182 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:02,400 >> Councelor Grace, 2183 01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:03,679 >> um I have a question for councelor 2184 01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:07,360 Mhmard. Sorry. Um this was it came into 2185 01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,880 your wheelhouse, I want to say 2019. Am 2186 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,119 I correct with that? And the reason that 2187 01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:14,639 this was all brought forward was 2188 01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:17,520 originally um because of the Maslos 2189 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,360 having difficulty backing out of their 2190 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,520 driveway. That's what I read in all the 2191 01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,000 documentation that we were sent. Um is 2192 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,679 that correct? 2193 01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,880 >> Um so I I've been working with Jake and 2194 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,239 Karen Maslo for at least 11 years on 2195 01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:34,880 these matters. um and their concerns 2196 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,119 about egress from their parking lot 2197 01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,760 based on people parking behind the no 2198 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,000 parking here to the corner sign as Jake 2199 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,239 was describing. Um 2200 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,840 there is an a pre-existing fire lane on 2201 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,000 the Maslo's side of the street. There 2202 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,080 was some issue about the signage for 2203 01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:55,920 that. People didn't want all the signage 2204 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,320 that was there. And so the Maslos took 2205 01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,360 down one no parking sign, fire lane sign 2206 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,600 in order to enlarge their driveway, 2207 01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:04,960 removing parking that they had 2208 01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,639 pre-existing on the Fremont side of 2209 01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:08,960 their property. Uh, as I said, it's been 2210 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:13,679 placed on a fire pole. Now, um, but yes, 2211 01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:17,199 it goes back to a parking issue. Um the 2212 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:20,000 fire lane fire safety issue was not 2213 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,840 paramount 11 years ago in the 2214 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,280 conversations that I had with Jake and 2215 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,880 Karen. Uh again, we've had extensive 2216 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,040 conversations back and forth. Um this 2217 01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,440 has been a concern of theirs. I've been 2218 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:32,880 in their kitchen and discussed it and 2219 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,119 gone over the various ordinances working 2220 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,239 with Bob. Um 2221 01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:40,639 I Yes. 2222 01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:42,639 So, I'm trying to get to the bottom of 2223 01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:44,880 what happened to the original Firelane 2224 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,400 signs. Um, I've asked [clears throat] 2225 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,239 the question three times and I've gotten 2226 01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,320 a different answer all three times. So, 2227 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,639 I want to know definitively what 2228 01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,119 happened to the original fire lane 2229 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,239 signs. Who removed them? Who gave orth 2230 01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,000 authorization for them to be removed? 2231 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,679 Are you do you know any of the history 2232 01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:02,480 behind that? 2233 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:03,040 >> I do. 2234 01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,800 >> Care to share? uh at the end of 2235 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,639 Rackcliffe Street is the home that 2236 01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,639 Carolyn Okconor previously occupied with 2237 01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:11,520 her husband Bill. Their son Bill O'Conor 2238 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,960 Jr. uh was concerned about enforcing the 2239 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,199 fire lane on the 2240 01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,199 Maslo's side so that his mother had 2241 01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,920 access to emergency vehicles. Uh he was 2242 01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,400 quite upset when he witnessed and 2243 01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,119 recorded on his 2244 01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,760 Door Dash, whatever it's called, camera 2245 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,280 uh the Maslos and one of their neighbors 2246 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,480 removing and vandalizing an existing 2247 01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,280 sign in their driveway to remove a no 2248 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,280 parking fire lane sign which was then 2249 01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,320 put in their backyard. 2250 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,639 >> So it wasn't Director Hail that 2251 01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:45,280 >> uh I Mike has some has had some 2252 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,920 frustrations with this issue and I can't 2253 01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,520 speak for him. 2254 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:50,239 Thank you, 2255 01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,080 >> Council Grace. Can I just mention 2256 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,000 there's a fire lane sign there with 2257 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:54,800 arrows 2258 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,880 >> today, right? We did the site. We saw 2259 01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:57,679 those signs. 2260 01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:00,000 >> Interesting. Okay. But it's originally 2261 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,159 there were signs on Raglift that already 2262 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,800 had fire lanes established and those 2263 01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:05,679 were moved. 2264 01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:08,000 >> Okay. Again, without going back in 2265 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,040 history, 2266 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,040 >> concern with safety going forward. If 2267 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,040 something were to happen, fire trucks 2268 01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,440 can't get down there, what do we do? 2269 01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:16,560 It's going to have to be answered 2270 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,199 somehow. Uh, but you know, again, I 2271 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:21,440 should I think it should be filing. 2272 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,119 >> I absolutely respect that, but I think 2273 01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:25,280 that we need to have 100% honesty about 2274 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,199 what happened to those original signs. 2275 01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:28,960 >> Okay. Okay. 2276 01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,159 >> No, no, no, no, no. 2277 01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:34,719 >> I'm all set. Okay. 2278 01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:36,320 >> She She asked the question of you 2279 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:44,629 already and then she Thank you, Bob. 2280 01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:50,550 Battle. 2281 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:59,189 microphone. Rene, 2282 01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:01,199 » I'm I'm Renee Sarapin. I live on WY 2283 01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:02,639 Street. The interesting part when we 2284 01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:05,840 were looking into this research was this 2285 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,840 group when the Rockaway was turning from 2286 01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,639 a hotel into a condominium, 2287 01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:13,600 uh, Mrs. Nut Brown, Tony's mother, 2288 01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,840 organized the community 2289 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,000 Carolyn Okona brought the city council 2290 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,480 in to so that everybody in this 2291 01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,320 community was satisfied that we were 2292 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,199 safe and they the words they use I want 2293 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:26,719 you to I should have got this to you 2294 01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:31,520 sooner but the words they use is um 2295 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:36,880 well no not that one safety and safety is well safety and fire whatever 2296 01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:43,600 the big word is. So on every street on on our neighborhood has we have the 2297 01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,199 same sign that they talk about Miss 2298 01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,600 Evan. We have a fire lane on one right 2299 01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,360 side and fire lane on the left. They 2300 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,440 don't go all the way down the street. 2301 01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:53,199 And no matter what you put on that 2302 01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:54,880 street, the fire truck on Wy Street 2303 01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,239 could never get down because we don't 2304 01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,239 have that other street. We are just a 2305 01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,880 street and then a wall. So this I mean 2306 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,560 they do tricks to get around and they do 2307 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,880 a great job. But everyone in my street 2308 01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,600 because of these women and and this city 2309 01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,920 council that came to to Rocky Neck and 2310 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,920 set it all up so that there everybody 2311 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,440 was safe in this area that there were 2312 01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:15,280 fire lanes, people could get in and 2313 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:16,880 there was some parking because she 2314 01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,920 states right here and this is says 2315 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,199 parking is premium 2316 01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,040 headache in Rocky Neck forever since 2317 01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,679 1982. And Mr. Ryan mentions their 2318 01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:30,639 parking lot down in Rocky Neck. If I 2319 01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:32,320 come home from work, I could never get a 2320 01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,080 parking spot in there. Everybody in the 2321 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,000 neighborhood uses that, not just Rocky 2322 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,840 Neck. It's a wonderful spot. We're all 2323 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,000 lucky to have it, but it's not just for 2324 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,760 the Rocky Neck people. You can find 2325 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,239 trucks there for months at a time. The 2326 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,000 strong the park the two parking spots 2327 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,239 they're talking about only used probably 2328 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:50,560 on big weekends. I don't see cars there. 2329 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,320 But when you brought up the situation of 2330 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,560 that construction truck the other day, 2331 01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,080 right in the in the spot they're talking 2332 01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,360 about, there was a construction truck 2333 01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,280 right there. It wasn't a big one, but it 2334 01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,639 wasn't a small one, but he had to park 2335 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:02,880 there to do work wherever he was doing 2336 01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,719 work. So, um, 2337 01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:05,840 >> to wrap it up because 2338 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,199 >> done, but I just wanted to know that 2339 01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:09,280 this these people took the whole 2340 01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,199 community and the city council and they 2341 01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,560 all made it safe for all of us. 2342 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:21,510 >> Thank you. 2343 01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:26,310 » Okay, more questions. 2344 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,310 Close public hearing. 2345 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,760 Okay. Committee recommendation. 2346 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,440 Any recommendation and a motion by 2347 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,840 council, seconded by council gra 2348 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:39,920 ordinance administration committee voted 2349 01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,199 three in favor, zero opposed to 2350 01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:42,960 recommend that city council amend the 2351 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,760 colostrum chapter 22 traffic and motor 2352 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,159 vehicle section 22 through 292 fire 2353 01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:51,199 lanes by deleting rackliff street wing 2354 01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:52,639 side from the intersection from Fremont 2355 01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:55,280 Street in a southern direction for 2356 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,440 entirety length for it entire length to 2357 01:45:57,440 --> 01:45:59,840 dead end by add street both sides from 2358 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:01,280 it intersection with Fremont Street in a 2359 01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,520 southern direction for it entire length 2360 01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,000 to dead end and I so move. 2361 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:06,880 >> Second. 2362 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:08,639 >> Motion made by council major, second by 2363 01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:12,629 councelor Graves. Discussion, 2364 01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:14,960 » council major 2365 01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,920 and um I know in O and I I I did vote in 2366 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,400 favor and I'm not sure which way and I I 2367 01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,719 ultimately respect Bob Ryan and the 2368 01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:25,520 chief and the and the fire department 2369 01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,080 based on their recommendation and that's 2370 01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,560 what why I voted the way I did in ORNA. 2371 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,320 But it was great to see both sides. I 2372 01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,400 know the gentleman O and was not able to 2373 01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,679 speak um in the OA OA. So I'm glad you 2374 01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:39,840 actually showed up here to speak and it 2375 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,199 was just good listening um to you. Thank 2376 01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:45,199 you, 2377 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:45,840 >> Grace. 2378 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:51,920 >> Um I just want to state that I I always always believe that safety is 2379 01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,000 paramount and safety is number one. 2380 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,000 However, that being said, I think it 2381 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,760 needs to be said out of respect for Mr. 2382 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:00,159 to delever and for Gail Saraphene and 2383 01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:02,320 Ray Saraphene and anybody else that 2384 01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,639 lives in that neighborhood that this did 2385 01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:07,440 not start out as a safety issue. This 2386 01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:09,440 started out as a neighborhood dispute 2387 01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:11,840 and it morphed into a safety issue when 2388 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,920 people did not get the results that they 2389 01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,360 wanted. I granted it is history but it 2390 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,199 is important and I think that the people 2391 01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:21,600 that are in opposition to this need to 2392 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,679 have the validation that that they are 2393 01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:28,560 not wrong in what they feel and I 2394 01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,560 think that we need to be honest about 2395 01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,119 things and this did not start out as a 2396 01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:35,199 safety issue. It is a safety issue now 2397 01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:36,880 and because the fire department did 2398 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,520 their safety report on this, I have the 2399 01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,000 greatest respect for Chief Smith. Um, 2400 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,960 and and I understand why we are here 2401 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,239 tonight. However, I still think that it 2402 01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,320 needs to be noted that this did not 2403 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,320 start out as a safety issue. It morphed 2404 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,400 into one when the results, desired 2405 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,719 result was not obtained six or seven 2406 01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:01,189 years ago. Thank you, 2407 01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:08,709 » Paige. 2408 01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:10,960 There are so many streets in our 2409 01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,320 community that are inadequate. 2410 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,960 in ways of size, inadequate 2411 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,159 in ways of dead ends where safety 2412 01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:25,679 vehicles cannot turn around. Sometimes 2413 01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:30,400 there's new developments that are built 2414 01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,719 and literally the developers get away 2415 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:36,719 with the lack of turnarounds for these 2416 01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,800 safety vehicles. 2417 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,840 Um I 2418 01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,760 don't know that, you know, we should 2419 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:55,109 assess every road like this. It's difficult. Um 2420 01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:58,239 Again, I do think these things become a 2421 01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:01,520 slippery slope. I've seen all just just 2422 01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,239 as an analogy, I've seen one 2423 01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:06,560 neighborhood after another after another 2424 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:11,600 go for residentonly parking. And I even 2425 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,159 question whether the state of 2426 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:16,000 Massachusetts would agree with that once 2427 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,840 they, you know, they pave these streets. 2428 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,000 Sometimes they're public roads. They're 2429 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:24,000 supposed to be open to the public. 2430 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,560 I understand that the tightness of this 2431 01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,600 area. I've I've visited there. I I I 2432 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:33,199 know the area fairly well. 2433 01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:35,360 I think that there could be other 2434 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,600 workarounds on this particular street 2435 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:44,390 for parking. 2436 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:48,159 » Which would ensure safety. 2437 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,119 Just following up. Um, again, I've I've 2438 01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,440 worked with this issue uh in the Maslos 2439 01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,280 and the neighbors for a long time. I am 2440 01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,960 very concerned about the precedent of 2441 01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,480 other similar streets. I'm very happy to 2442 01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,560 maintain a fire lane on the one side 2443 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,119 that exists, but I'm concerned that by 2444 01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:06,639 adding a second fire lane on the 2445 01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,119 opposite side of this particular street, 2446 01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:12,239 we're creating a hardship uh for very 2447 01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,679 valuable uh parking resources in this 2448 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,159 neighborhood. and pre from a pres from a 2449 01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:20,159 point of view of precedence in other 2450 01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:21,760 communities we're setting in other 2451 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,400 neighborhoods and similar smallcale 2452 01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,800 streets. So I've made the motion and 2453 01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,600 brought it to the uh the subcommittee on 2454 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,920 behalf of the Maslos. However, I would 2455 01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,880 not myself personally behing 2456 01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,800 it. 2457 01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,119 >> Thank you. 2458 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,840 What else? 2459 01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:43,520 >> There a way for it to be amended to have 2460 01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:49,510 a fire lane on one side? there is 2461 01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,239 » um 2462 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,960 yeah I mean I'm I'm looking at you know 2463 01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:58,800 the map of the area right now and 2464 01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,440 every street around it on Rocky Neck and 2465 01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:04,960 I'm very familiar with Rocky Neck um 2466 01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:09,440 and uh it's you know you should have 2467 01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:12,719 seen it when the Rockway was going. Um, 2468 01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:15,679 talk about parking. Uh, 2469 01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:20,159 but the Rockaway when it was a hotel and 2470 01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:21,840 bar. 2471 01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:23,360 Uh, 2472 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:28,000 but this would have a couple of effects. 2473 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,679 they would have us um if we create that 2474 01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:34,080 on this street for that particular 2475 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:38,320 reason then we would be negligent in our 2476 01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,239 duties to not create it on every street 2477 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:42,080 that was similar 2478 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,760 and that's just not a possibility that 2479 01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,800 we can do um 2480 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,440 so while I understand that everyone on 2481 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,280 this street has a driveway I can see it 2482 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:56,400 on the map um some goodiz driveways 2483 01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,119 it uh And there is a I mean there's a 2484 01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:01,199 really good turnaround down the end. I 2485 01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:02,239 think that's probably a private 2486 01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:05,760 driveway, but it's pretty sizable. 2487 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,920 Um 2488 01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,760 it's a it's a pretty sizable driveway. 2489 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,239 Um 2490 01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:15,520 but you're not going to get an engine. 2491 01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:16,800 An engine's going to back down there no 2492 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,520 matter what. Um that's what the the 2493 01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,199 lieutenant of the fire department told 2494 01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:22,880 us when he was we were at the site 2495 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,960 visit. they would either come straight 2496 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,920 down the one way, the wrong way, 2497 01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,520 um is how they would get down there. Um 2498 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,679 so we I mean if we did it here, we'd 2499 01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:35,040 have to do a Wy Street, we'd have to do 2500 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,719 a Fremont Street, have to look up at 2501 01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:40,719 Clarinon Street. Um you know, it's just 2502 01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:44,239 the whole the whole area is is and then 2503 01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:46,159 we have all of downtown which is just 2504 01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:49,679 filled with these these streets where 2505 01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:51,199 people have no choice but to parking the 2506 01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:52,880 street. 2507 01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,800 Um they're very fortunate in this 2508 01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:58,080 neighborhood. Um majority of them on WY 2509 01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,119 Street they have parking the hotel or 2510 01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:03,440 the uh the condos now is parking 2511 01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:04,800 underneath although I'm sure there's 2512 01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,599 still over there. My also my concern is 2513 01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:10,719 the trades people um you know because 2514 01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:13,440 they are and we see them everywhere now. 2515 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:14,960 Um 2516 01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:18,560 and for some reason we're still in a um 2517 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,760 a renovation boom um in these types of 2518 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,080 neighborhoods which are causing you know 2519 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,880 a lot of vehicles extra vehicles to be 2520 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,040 in a in a very tight neighborhood. 2521 01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,440 So, while I I absolutely sympathize and 2522 01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:36,159 understand the reason why, I still I 2523 01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:42,960 have those concerns that any that this will be just pushed 2524 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,800 further out. And I know it's just two 2525 01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,119 parking spaces, but I tell you, two 2526 01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:50,000 parking spaces on on 2527 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,840 a Rocky Neck are very precious. So, 2528 01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,800 anyway, those are my concerns. 2529 01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,119 If it does go forward, I would like to 2530 01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:00,159 have something 2531 01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:05,119 added to it that if there is um a push 2532 01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:08,480 out of parking that that does have a 2533 01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:09,840 negative effect on the rest of the 2534 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,679 neighborhood that we should be uh 2535 01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:14,080 notified about that different action if 2536 01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,000 this does move forward. 2537 01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,480 >> Thank you. Also, Grace, 2538 01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:22,639 >> would we benefit from um postponing a 2539 01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:26,239 vote on this to have more um discussion 2540 01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,480 about the other roads around it and and 2541 01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:30,800 do some comparison for the widths of the 2542 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:32,960 road is if we've only looked at 2543 01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,239 Ratcliffe and um what we've been told by 2544 01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:37,840 the residents of the other roads that 2545 01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,840 they their roads are just as narrow and 2546 01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,080 the problem exists there. So, I would 2547 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,599 entertain a motion to continue this um 2548 01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:47,360 for further research. 2549 01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,040 >> I think I think the only purpose that 2550 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,520 would serve as if we were going to make 2551 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:57,109 them no parking also. 2552 01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:00,800 Is there a way to almost to 2553 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,880 temporary 2554 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,119 to postpone and to do a temporary fire 2555 01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:07,520 lane to see what the results will be for 2556 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,040 like a month test period? I'm not sure 2557 01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:10,719 if that's within our ordinance, but can 2558 01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:14,320 that area be blocked 2559 01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:17,360 um legally with the DPW or whoever or 2560 01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,760 the chief police and then to see how 2561 01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,480 then we can actually get more data from 2562 01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,719 today until October 22nd or whatever. 2563 01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:27,119 >> I think we have all the data. I don't 2564 01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:28,320 think there's any more 2565 01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:32,960 >> but the data this data will provide the no parking spots. 2566 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:34,080 >> Who's going to who's going to collect 2567 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:37,520 that? I'm just there's no there's no 2568 01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,080 that I I can't see that that would 2569 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,280 >> solve anything other than, you know, um 2570 01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:48,390 us not doing our job tonight. 2571 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,560 I would comment in response to councelor 2572 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,000 Maja's comment that the issue here is 2573 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,840 primarily during the summer season. 2574 01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,679 We're talking about June, July, and 2575 01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:00,159 August. Other than that, it's not really 2576 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:09,430 an issue like many parts of the city. 2577 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,560 I mean I we you know we all everybody 2578 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:13,840 got the letter from the chief didn't 2579 01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:18,719 they I mean it's it was a while ago that came through six months eight 2580 01:56:18,719 --> 01:56:21,679 months 10 months ago Bob was the letter 2581 01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:26,560 came from Chief Smith Chief Smith's letter came 2582 01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:39,669 quite a while ago 2583 01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:42,239 post this morning. It just makes us not 2584 01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:47,350 be doing what we're supposed to do. 2585 01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,280 I make a motion to postpone and see if 2586 01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,000 it passes. That's that's a 2587 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,320 >> I just I you know I just have I'm I have 2588 01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:58,400 a hard time with this simply because as I've stated what what led us to this 2589 01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,880 point that bothers me that we it morphed 2590 01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,960 into something because the desired 2591 01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:05,599 result was not not achieved. That being 2592 01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:08,000 said there is a fire lane on one side. 2593 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,960 Lieutenant Sees was um at the site visit 2594 01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,440 and he was like yeah we we will always 2595 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,040 get a fire truck down here because we 2596 01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:16,719 will either go the wrong way down one 2597 01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:18,960 street or it backs down. And I also said 2598 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,119 in OA that we set a precedent because 2599 01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:23,520 there are dozens and dozens of streets 2600 01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,360 within the city of Gloucester that this 2601 01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,679 is a problem. You can walk in a half a 2602 01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:30,400 mile radius around here and see it where 2603 01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:33,040 the fire station is has this problem, 2604 01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:34,719 you know, because the streets are so 2605 01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:39,920 narrow, you know. So I think it does it creates a precedent. And if we do go 2606 01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,440 forward with something like this, then 2607 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,599 we need to do the right thing, due 2608 01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:45,599 diligence, and we need to look at every 2609 01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:47,840 street in the city because it is unfair 2610 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:51,040 to say that it this this needs to be 2611 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,239 safe, but this one is okay because of 2612 01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:56,320 whatever reason. I think we need to be 2613 01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,800 fair across the board. And I don't and 2614 01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,400 you know, I as I said, I'm on the fence 2615 01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,360 about it. I I 100% respect the safety 2616 01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:06,080 aspect of it. Um, but I also know I was 2617 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,440 there at the site visit and the 2618 01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:08,800 questions that I asked and Lieutenant 2619 01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:10,960 Seis who was there was was like, "Yeah, 2620 01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,480 we get through these little streets all 2621 01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:16,790 the time." 2622 01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:25,270 » Paul question. 2623 01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:30,149 I'm going to do a roll call. 2624 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:31,840 » Councelor Kimberly, 2625 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:36,080 >> no. Councelor Mota, 2626 01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,199 >> no. 2627 01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:38,639 >> Councelor Mehard, 2628 01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:39,760 >> no. 2629 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:41,040 >> Councelor Paige, 2630 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:41,840 >> no. 2631 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,639 >> Councelor Benson, 2632 01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:45,760 >> no. 2633 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:46,800 >> Councelor Grace, 2634 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:47,360 >> no. 2635 01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:48,560 >> Councelor Gross, 2636 01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:49,440 >> no. 2637 01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:52,239 >> The vote is zero in favor, seven 2638 01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:55,440 opposed, two absent. The motion um 2639 01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:59,510 fails. 2640 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:15,830 » Next order to business. Madam cler 2641 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,679 um next is public hearing 2026 number 27 2642 01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:22,960 council order 2026 number 10 majota 2643 01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:26,080 amend GCO chapter 22 traffic and motor 2644 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,719 vehicles section 22-270 2645 01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:31,040 parking prohibited at all times times in 2646 01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,960 section 22-291 2647 01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,599 towaway zones by adding Wheeler Street 2648 01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:37,199 both sides from its intersection with 2649 01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:39,199 Shore Hill Road to its intersection with 2650 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:42,560 Howard Road. 2651 01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,679 >> We'll open the public hearing. 2652 01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:47,840 >> Speaking of favor, 2653 01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,960 >> um the I've been working certain people 2654 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,000 unfortunately they're not here. Um 2655 01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:55,760 I would love to be able not saying that 2656 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,599 I'm not able to do my job. I will be 2657 01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:00,239 able to postpone this for the next um 2658 02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,960 meeting, Mr. President. Madame Clair, 2659 02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:04,400 just so I can be able to have the 2660 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,400 resident here as well. 2661 02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,520 >> Hey, um we take these up every quarter. 2662 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,960 That'll be postponed for three months. 2663 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:13,679 >> Fine with that. 2664 02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:18,790 >> Okay. 2665 02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,639 All right. 2666 02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:24,080 So, we're continuing um till the 2667 02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:27,360 December meeting, December 8th. Yes. 2668 02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:28,800 Thank you. And I'll be able to get the 2669 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:32,080 people here as well. 2670 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,119 >> Next is public hearing 2026 number 28. 2671 02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:38,639 Council order 2026 number 11. Benson 2672 02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:41,440 amend GCO chapter 22 traffic and motor 2673 02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,239 vehicles section 22-284 2674 02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:46,560 service or loading zones by deleting 2675 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,560 Main Street Northerly side in front of 2676 02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:52,000 number 134 one space 30 minutes limit 2677 02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,239 and adding Main Street Northerly Side in 2678 02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:57,119 front of number 124 one space commercial 2679 02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:00,000 vehicles only 8 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. 30 2680 02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,480 minutes limit. 2681 02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,440 >> Open the public hearing. 2682 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:06,480 Council Benson. 2683 02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,400 >> Thank you. Um over the past several 2684 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:10,239 months, downtown business owners, 2685 02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:12,000 particularly businesses in and around 2686 02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,920 this part of Main Street, have raised 2687 02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:16,480 concerns regarding the loading zone. 2688 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,320 Businesses have reported that delivery 2689 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:20,960 vehicles, including UPS, FedEx, and 2690 02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:22,480 freight carriers, are frequently unable 2691 02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:24,719 to access the space because it's 2692 02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:28,320 occupied by passenger vehicles. Um, 2693 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,400 other concerns have have been raised 2694 02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:31,760 that the current signage creates 2695 02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:34,560 confusion for residents and visitors 2696 02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:38,080 alike and obviously delivery vehicles. 2697 02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:42,560 Um, this ordinance um does not clearly 2698 02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:44,960 distinguish currently does not um 2699 02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:46,239 distinguish between commercial and 2700 02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:48,800 passenger vehicles. Um, again the 2701 02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:51,119 ordinance simply makes the signage clear 2702 02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:54,560 by specifying that these spaces are for 2703 02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,280 commercial vehicles only. It's really a 2704 02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:59,920 matter of housekeeping. Um following 2705 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,080 discussions with the Gloucester Police 2706 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,719 Department, DPW and the traffic 2707 02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:07,040 commission, specifically um the chair 2708 02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,360 here, um additional enforcement was 2709 02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:12,239 implemented. However, um it was 2710 02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:14,159 determined with discussions from the 2711 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:17,679 traffic um chair that the change um the 2712 02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:19,199 language on the sign itself would 2713 02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:22,320 require an ordinance amendment. Um they 2714 02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,040 also um said that the ordinance referred 2715 02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:28,080 to 134 Main Street while the existing 2716 02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,280 sign is located in front of 124 Main 2717 02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,599 Street um because of the physical layout 2718 02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:36,960 of the street. Um this proposed or um 2719 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,599 ordinance amendment seeks to provide 2720 02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:41,440 greater clarity for drivers and parking 2721 02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:42,960 enforcement while ensuring downtown 2722 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,760 businesses can continue to receive 2723 02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,480 deliveries in a timely manner. Um this 2724 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:51,199 reflects feedback from again business 2725 02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:53,360 owners, the traffic commission, the 2726 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:56,639 police department and the DPW. Um I look 2727 02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:59,599 um if you have any questions um please 2728 02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:02,639 ask um but the businesses in and around 2729 02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:04,560 the area um asked for this change 2730 02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,320 specifically and this is a result of 2731 02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:07,920 that. Thank you. 2732 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:13,510 >> Anyone else wish to speak in favor? 2733 02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:15,199 » Anyone who like to you want to speak in 2734 02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:16,719 favor? Go ahead. 2735 02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:18,239 >> Sorry. since you stayed here. I was 2736 02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:19,599 like, and you helped me with this 2737 02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:21,119 because this was a confusing one. 2738 02:03:21,119 --> 02:03:24,800 >> I'll just concur with uh Council uh 2739 02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:27,760 Benson. Uh basically, we're cleaning up 2740 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,560 the order. Uh as Grace knows, the order 2741 02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:35,760 read 134 Main Street. That was put in 2742 02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:38,400 place, loading zone put in place long 2743 02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:40,159 before the Nubbins. And the Nubbins have 2744 02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:42,000 been there for a long time. Once they 2745 02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,400 put in the Nubbins, we you couldn't 2746 02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,159 unload and load there anymore. So, it's 2747 02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:47,760 a matter of just moving it down two 2748 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:51,119 spaces, making it 124 Main Street. Also 2749 02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:53,760 restricting it to certain hours of the 2750 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,639 day, leaving parking at night so people 2751 02:03:56,639 --> 02:03:59,840 can utilize it as well. 2752 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,719 >> Any questions? I mean, cleaning up the 2753 02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:03,440 >> be clear. 2754 02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:04,159 >> Okay. Thank you. 2755 02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:07,040 >> Very good. 2756 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:10,320 >> Anyone to speak in opposition? 2757 02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,639 >> We have any communicate? 2758 02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:17,910 >> We do not. 2759 02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:21,669 questions. 2760 02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:25,830 No close public hearing. 2761 02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:27,440 » Would you like to read the motion there? 2762 02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:29,440 Council me committee recommendation on a 2763 02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:30,880 motion by council grace, second by 2764 02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,119 councelor Nolan. The ordinance 2765 02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:34,639 administration committee voted two in 2766 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:36,960 favor, zero opposed, one absent to 2767 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,840 recommend the city council amends code 2768 02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,080 of ordinance chapter 22 traffic and 2769 02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:45,119 motor vehicle section 22 through 284 2770 02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:46,880 service or loading zones by deleting 2771 02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,520 main street northern side in front of 2772 02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:53,440 134 one space 30 minute and adding Main 2773 02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:56,239 Street northern side in front of number 2774 02:04:56,239 --> 02:04:58,960 124 one space commercial vehicles only 8 2775 02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:01,360 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. 30 minute limit and I 2776 02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:02,400 so 2777 02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:03,040 >> second 2778 02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:04,880 >> motion made by councel mato seconded by 2779 02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,239 councelor grace discussion 2780 02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:10,480 seeing none all those in favor 2781 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,679 >> I post eyes have it seven to zero one 2782 02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:16,080 absent 2783 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:20,000 next order business madam clerk 2784 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:22,880 >> public hearing 2026 number 29 council 2785 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,400 order 2026 number 15 memard amend GCO 2786 02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:28,800 chapter 22 traffic and motor vehicles 2787 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:32,639 section 22 2-279 30 minute parking by 2788 02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:34,480 deleting Eastern Avenue in front of 2789 02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,719 number 18 between the hours of 8 a.m. 2790 02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:39,040 and 5:00 p.m. in the area beginning at 2791 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:42,239 pole number 2741 on the westerly side in 2792 02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:45,199 a southerntherly direction for 36 ft two 2793 02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:47,199 30 minute parking spaces clearly 2794 02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:50,000 delineated. 2795 02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,800 >> Open the public hearing. 2796 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,480 >> Those speaking in favor? 2797 02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,320 >> Again, this would be a matter of largely 2798 02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:59,040 housekeeping. Uh there was a commercial 2799 02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:00,320 business on the corner here, the 2800 02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,639 Florists, which has been out of business 2801 02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:04,960 for a number of years. So we would we're 2802 02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,400 proposing to remove the uh uh reserved 2803 02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,119 parking uh for the business and making 2804 02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:14,080 it available to uh the residents in the 2805 02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:17,589 neighborhood. 2806 02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:21,712 » Thank you. Anyone else speak in favor? 2807 02:06:21,712 --> 02:06:22,000 [laughter] 2808 02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:24,719 >> You're here. 2809 02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:26,952 >> I should have brought my roller skates. 2810 02:06:26,952 --> 02:06:27,679 [laughter] 2811 02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:30,960 Uh concur with uh council mead. I was 2812 02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,880 getting phone calls. Why do we have 30 2813 02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:37,360 minute parking on east? And uh I said 2814 02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:39,360 can't guess why any of the florists went 2815 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,599 out. Russell's florist went out and I 2816 02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:43,440 said why don't we uh remove the signs 2817 02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:45,840 and I contacted Scott to have them taken 2818 02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,000 out of there. Leave room for residents 2819 02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:50,000 in the area. That's all. 2820 02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,830 >> Very good. Thank you. 2821 02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,320 » Anyone else in favor? Anyone like to 2822 02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,830 speak in opposition? 2823 02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,079 Seeing none. 2824 02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:03,920 Um, 2825 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,599 communications. 2826 02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,040 >> There are none 2827 02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:10,069 >> questions. 2828 02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:13,440 No close public hearing. 2829 02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,920 Majo, would you please read the uh call 2830 02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:16,639 me committee? 2831 02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,400 >> Committee recommendation on a motion by 2832 02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,480 council grace. Second by council no one 2833 02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:21,920 is administration committee board. Two 2834 02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:23,920 in favor, zero opposed, one absent. To 2835 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:25,280 recommend that city council amend the 2836 02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:27,280 clause report chapter 22, traffic motor 2837 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,000 vehicle section 22 through 279 30-minute 2838 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,320 parking by deleting Eastern Avenue in 2839 02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:34,239 front of number 18 between the hours of 2840 02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:36,239 8 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. in the area 2841 02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:39,119 beginning at pole number 2842 02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:42,000 2741 on the western side in the southern 2843 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,480 direction for 36 ft. Two 30 minute 2844 02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:48,239 parking spaces. Clearly, 2845 02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:51,280 what is that? 2846 02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:52,239 Can I 2847 02:07:52,239 --> 02:07:55,440 >> second us? 2848 02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:57,280 >> Motion made by council me, seconded by 2849 02:07:57,280 --> 02:08:01,430 councelor Grace. Discussion. 2850 02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,520 » Seeing none. All those in favor? 2851 02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:06,800 >> I opposed. Let's have it. 7 to zero to 2852 02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,800 absent. Next order. Business. Madam 2853 02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:09,280 clerk. 2854 02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,760 >> Public hearing 2026 number 30. Council 2855 02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,119 order 2026 number 20. Gross. Amen. GCO 2856 02:08:15,119 --> 02:08:17,760 chapter 22 traffic and motor vehicles 2857 02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:19,679 section 22-270 2858 02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:21,840 parking prohibited at all times and 2859 02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:25,440 section 22-291 towaway zones by deleting 2860 02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,639 no parking at 127 Roger Street for 25 ft 2861 02:08:28,639 --> 02:08:30,639 in a southerntherly direction from the 2862 02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:33,440 northern crosswalk. No parking at 128 2863 02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:35,440 Roger Street or 25 ft in a 2864 02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:36,560 southerntherly direction from the 2865 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:38,560 northern crosswalk and in a northerly 2866 02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:40,079 direction from the same northern 2867 02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:42,239 crosswalk to corner of Gorton's parking 2868 02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:45,199 lot entrance at 128 Roger Street and 2869 02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:48,000 adding no parking at 128 Roger Street 2870 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,320 for 100 ft in a northerly direction from 2871 02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:52,239 the southern crosswalk to corner of 2872 02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:54,320 Gorton's parking lot entrance at 128 2873 02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:58,159 Roger Street and no parking at 127 Roger 2874 02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:00,239 Street for 110 ft in a southern 2875 02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:02,320 direction from the lot entrance to the 2876 02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:06,239 trailer truck only parking zone. 2877 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:09,040 >> Hello the public hearing speaking in 2878 02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:12,400 favor that'll be me. We uh we had a 2879 02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:15,199 meeting at with at Gorton's about safety 2880 02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:20,639 on uh Roger Street and it was a pretty 2881 02:09:20,639 --> 02:09:22,719 uh robust discussion about the entire 2882 02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:25,280 length of Roger Street going from you 2883 02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,360 know Tally's Corner down to the lights 2884 02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:31,440 and even beyond. And um but one of the 2885 02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:34,239 things that came out of this was that 2886 02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:36,000 right in front of Gorton's there still 2887 02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,040 been some near misses even with the the 2888 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,840 um extended with the no parking areas 2889 02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,719 that we made by the crosswalks before. 2890 02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:47,360 So with the suggestion of uh Chairman 2891 02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,840 Ryan, you know, we moved it out to 100 2892 02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,920 feet on one side and 110 feet on the 2893 02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:56,880 other side. And uh and so that's and the only people that this affects is 2894 02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:59,520 Gortons themselves. and they are 2895 02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:01,520 handling it will handle their parking 2896 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,440 issues internally. So it's not 2897 02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,320 displacing anyone. No businesses, no 2898 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,480 there's nothing that gets affected by 2899 02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,440 this other than themselves. 2900 02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:13,199 Um so that's it. I don't know. Do you 2901 02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:14,719 have anything you would like to say, 2902 02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:17,199 Chairman Ryan or Chief Chief Williams 2903 02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:19,280 was also in this meeting as well as the 2904 02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:22,400 administration? Um Senator Tar, 2905 02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:24,159 Representative Tar. 2906 02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:27,119 >> Yes. Uh 2907 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:29,760 >> yeah. uh meeting took place at Gorton's 2908 02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:32,079 uh headquarters, what it was called, the 2909 02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:34,719 safety meeting. Uh we had uh the council 2910 02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:38,079 president, uh the police chief, myself, 2911 02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:43,360 councelor Grace, uh we had uh Bruce Tar, 2912 02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:46,079 Drew Tar, uh Kelly from the mayor's 2913 02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:49,679 office, uh quite a panel and uh round 2914 02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,639 table throwing out ideas before we 2915 02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:56,320 conduct. And uh Mr. President, you can 2916 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:59,360 just about a safety uh study that we're 2917 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:00,719 going to put in motion. We're going to 2918 02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:02,960 put a safety study in motion. Uh they 2919 02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:06,239 did one over in Raleigh recently. Uh but 2920 02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,079 again, there's been a lot of near misses 2921 02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:09,920 there. We had a fatality down by the 2922 02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,040 senior center not too long ago. Uh and 2923 02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:15,040 the whole idea talking to the Gorton 2924 02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,199 people, I thought it was great. Uh they 2925 02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:19,040 have four parking lots. They can 2926 02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:22,400 accommodate over 400 cars per shift. I 2927 02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:27,840 wrote it down. Per shift. They have uh 260 employees. So I mean there's 2928 02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,159 adequate parking and the cars that were 2929 02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:32,719 parked just before the crosswalks for 2930 02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:35,599 line of vision or sight of vision. I 2931 02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:37,599 passed out a few photos either 2932 02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:40,719 Silverados, Taho, Suburbans, and they 2933 02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:43,440 all work in the plant. So the idea was 2934 02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,840 put the word out, make it no parking 2935 02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:47,599 registry. Let them park in the parking 2936 02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:50,239 lot more than enough space. So, we're 2937 02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:52,320 not displacing the general public, 2938 02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,400 tourists. Those are the people that are 2939 02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,480 employed at Gorton's and Gorton 2940 02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:59,360 accommodates them. So, uh this is a 2941 02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:01,040 start to make it much safer there. 2942 02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:02,800 They've tried all kinds of things, but I 2943 02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:05,280 think, you know, with the 100 foot line 2944 02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:07,119 of sight, I think it's going to help 2945 02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,119 out. Okay. 2946 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:14,159 >> Thank you. Thank you, Bob. Um also, it it doesn't eliminate any of the 2947 02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:15,920 tractor trailer parking on Roger Street 2948 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:19,440 either. It stops before that. 2949 02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:20,560 Um, anyone 2950 02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,679 >> remind Oh, sorry. You didn't say 2951 02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:24,960 questions yet, so I apologize. 2952 02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,040 >> No, we still have to see if anybody's in 2953 02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:28,639 opposition of it. 2954 02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:29,440 >> Sorry. 2955 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:32,719 >> Anybody speaking in opposition? 2956 02:12:32,719 --> 02:12:34,719 No one online. Do what want who has 2957 02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:38,800 their hand raised? Um, communications. 2958 02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:40,239 >> There are none. 2959 02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:43,040 >> Okay. Questions from councils. 2960 02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:44,880 >> Yeah, thank you. Um, and thank you for 2961 02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:46,880 bringing this forward as I was unable. 2962 02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:48,239 Fortunately, you were out of town. 2963 02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:50,639 >> I I was unfortunate and I did try to 2964 02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:54,639 join this the the the team's meeting. Um 2965 02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:57,280 and it didn't work. But anyway, um just 2966 02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:00,000 can you just remind me how many spots 2967 02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:01,520 we're going to that will be lost from 2968 02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:03,599 this? Is it just 2969 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:06,960 >> It's just two, right? 2970 02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,560 >> Like four. 2971 02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,560 >> Four spots. Okay. 2972 02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:11,840 >> Yeah, I have the photo. That's why I 2973 02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:17,510 like it. So, four 2974 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:21,440 Yep. Yeah. And and it was worth that you 2975 02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:24,400 reminding that these spots were like 2976 02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:26,239 businesses like people were going to the 2977 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:27,760 cruise port. Those aren't the people 2978 02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:29,520 parking here. So that's important to 2979 02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,119 note as well and I appreciate you noting 2980 02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:33,440 that. So um no, that's that's all I had 2981 02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:34,960 and I will be supporting this and I 2982 02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:37,599 appreciate you bringing this forward. 2983 02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:38,000 >> Paige, 2984 02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,239 >> I do have a question. Is Gorton's 2985 02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:43,760 running 247 now or do they have hours? I 2986 02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:45,360 think they're on a two shifts. I'm not 2987 02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:45,760 sure. 2988 02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:46,480 >> Two shifts. 2989 02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:47,599 >> Yeah. 2990 02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:50,239 >> Is it valuable to 2991 02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:52,480 put an end time on this at the end of 2992 02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,079 their shift so that at night people 2993 02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:55,920 could use it? 2994 02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,800 >> Morning shifts. I I don't think 2995 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:00,480 >> I think that could lead to still a 2996 02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:02,400 public safety issue. I think eliminating 2997 02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:04,079 them completely is public safety. 2998 02:14:04,079 --> 02:14:05,440 >> They could they could at some point go 2999 02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:06,639 to three shifts again. 3000 02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:07,360 >> Yeah. 3001 02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:09,440 >> That's fine. People start eating a lot 3002 02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:11,040 of 3003 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:12,719 >> McDonald's fish. 3004 02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:15,199 McFish sandwiches. 3005 02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:16,480 >> We can hope. 3006 02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:21,510 >> Donald. 3007 02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:26,069 Any other questions from the counselors? 3008 02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:29,199 » All those in favor? 3009 02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:31,440 >> Oh, I got to close the public hearing. 3010 02:14:31,440 --> 02:14:32,480 >> And you got to read the uh 3011 02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:34,000 >> Council Grace has got to read this one. 3012 02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:34,880 >> Oh, Council Grace, 3013 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:35,679 >> she can make the motion. 3014 02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:36,480 >> Sorry, 3015 02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:38,239 >> I got ahead of myself. 3016 02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:39,760 >> Are we going to have a discussion or we 3017 02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,079 going straight to the motion? Great. Oh, 3018 02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:43,280 you go straight to the motion, then we 3019 02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:43,920 have discussion. 3020 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,320 >> Okay. Um, committee recommendation on a 3021 02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,000 motion by myself, councelor Grace, 3022 02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,079 seconded by council me. The ordinance 3023 02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:51,760 and administration committee voted three 3024 02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:53,599 in favor, zero opposed to recommend that 3025 02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:55,360 the city council amend the Glouster code 3026 02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:57,520 of ordinances chapter 22 traffic and 3027 02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:00,239 motor vehicles as follows. Amend section 3028 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:02,159 22-270 3029 02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:04,400 parking prohibited at all times and 3030 02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,480 section 22-291 3031 02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:09,360 towaway zones by deleting no parking at 3032 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,280 Roger Street for 25 ft in the 3033 02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:12,639 southerntherly direction from the 3034 02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:15,599 northern crosswalk. No parking at 128 3035 02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:17,280 Roger Street for 25 ft in the 3036 02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:18,560 southerntherly direction from the 3037 02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:20,719 northern crosswalk and in the northerly 3038 02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:22,400 direction from the same northern 3039 02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:24,480 crosswalk to the corner to corner of 3040 02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:26,880 Gordon's parking lot entrance at 128 3041 02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:30,400 Roger Street. adding no parking at 128 3042 02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:32,880 Roger Street for 100 ft in a northerly 3043 02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:35,679 direction from the southern crosswalk to 3044 02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:38,079 corner of Gordon's parking lot entrance 3045 02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:41,199 at 128 Roger Street. No parking at 127 3046 02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:44,000 Roger Street for 110 ft in the southern 3047 02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,760 direction from the lot entrance to the 3048 02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:48,320 trailer truck only parking zone. And I 3049 02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:49,280 so move 3050 02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,440 >> second motion made by councelor Grace, 3051 02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:54,000 second by council meter. Discussion 3052 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,040 council Grace. 3053 02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:58,159 >> Thanks. Um yeah, this this impacts 3054 02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:00,239 nobody but Gorton's and Gordon is the 3055 02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:01,520 one that brought this forward. They 3056 02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:03,520 reached out to me um as did Chief 3057 02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:08,800 Williams and um Mr. Ryan months and months, I want to say 3058 02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:10,960 probably more than a year ago about 3059 02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:12,719 getting to get to if we could do some 3060 02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,800 sort of a meeting about this. Um and it 3061 02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:16,719 finally happened, you know, a few weeks 3062 02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:19,040 ago. Um you know, there's no residences 3063 02:16:19,040 --> 02:16:20,719 there. there's no other businesses that 3064 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:23,440 are affected and Gordon's brought this 3065 02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,360 forward and the only one that's affected 3066 02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,679 by it is Gordon. So I think that in you 3067 02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:30,000 know we've already lost one person um 3068 02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:32,160 and we've had many many near misses 3069 02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:35,599 there and I think that um to prevent 3070 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:37,599 another tragedy from happening it's the 3071 02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:41,679 right move. That's it. 3072 02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:44,880 >> Anyone else? 3073 02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:48,240 >> All those in favor? I opposed. 3074 02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,599 Passes seven to zero with two absent. 3075 02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:54,319 Thank you very much. Thank you, Chairman 3076 02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:58,880 Ryan and Chief Williams 3077 02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:03,830 and Barnaby for hanging around 3078 02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,160 » and Mary 3079 02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:10,000 um for next order business. Madam clerk, 3080 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,000 >> council vote memorandum from the city 3081 02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,240 clerk requesting to reduce early voting 3082 02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:16,160 hours for the first week of early voting 3083 02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,559 for the November 3rd, 2026 state 3084 02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:23,509 election. 3085 02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,040 Okay. 3086 02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:28,719 Did I make this motion? 3087 02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:32,479 Somebody else should make the motion. 3088 02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:35,439 U motion move to reduce the early voting 3089 02:17:35,439 --> 02:17:38,160 hours for the first week of early voting 3090 02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,960 for the November 3rd, 2026 state 3091 02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:43,200 election. And I so move. 3092 02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:44,080 >> Second. 3093 02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:45,840 >> Motion made by Council Benson, seconded 3094 02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:48,240 by Councelor Paige. Madame Clerk, would 3095 02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:50,880 you like to um address your reasoning 3096 02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:53,599 for with this request? 3097 02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:57,599 >> Sure. The state um state law allows the 3098 02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:01,120 early voting period to be reduced by 50% 3099 02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:03,439 with a vote of the city council for the 3100 02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:04,960 first week of early voting. We're 3101 02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:06,479 required to have two weeks of early 3102 02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:08,800 voting, including two weekend days 3103 02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:13,359 leading up to a state um election. So, 3104 02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:16,160 ever since this law has been in effect, 3105 02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,800 um the city clerk's office has requested 3106 02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:21,760 from the city council to reduce the 3107 02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:24,479 hours for early voting on the first 3108 02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:28,080 week. It does um honestly alleviate a 3109 02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:32,479 burden on staff um to enable us to be 3110 02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:34,399 able to focus on the high volume of vote 3111 02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:37,679 by mail that we are processing. Um I was 3112 02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:39,359 able to pull some numbers. I'm sorry I'm 3113 02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:42,160 not more prepared for this, but um I I 3114 02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:45,519 pulled the 2024 numbers. 3115 02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:49,599 In September 2024, the September state 3116 02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:53,120 primary um there were 77 inerson early 3117 02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,679 voters. And in November, there were 3118 02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:58,160 2,238 3119 02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:00,559 for vote by mail for those same 3120 02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:05,120 elections. Um, in September we mailed 3121 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,280 out 4,605 3122 02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:09,439 vote by mail ballots and received back 3123 02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:11,840 2,693. 3124 02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:14,880 And for the state election in November, 3125 02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:17,679 we mailed out 8,662 3126 02:19:17,679 --> 02:19:21,920 ballots and received back 7,969. 3127 02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:24,479 So you can see there is a high volume um 3128 02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:28,559 of work that goes on in the office to 3129 02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:31,280 process those. um we have to be very 3130 02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,120 diligent with that. All applications 3131 02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,679 have to be entered manually. Signatures 3132 02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:37,760 have to be verified against the returned 3133 02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:40,160 ballots to the applications. Um so 3134 02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:41,840 there's just a lot of focus and 3135 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:44,800 attention on the from the clerk's office 3136 02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:47,519 on that process. So having a week where 3137 02:19:47,519 --> 02:19:50,720 we're really dealing with just for half 3138 02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:52,800 of the time dealing with the the early 3139 02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:56,399 voting, it does help us. I have not 3140 02:19:56,399 --> 02:19:58,640 received any complaints from voters in 3141 02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:01,520 the past that the first week had reduced 3142 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:05,120 hours. Um, you know, I think two weeks 3143 02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:07,359 leading up to election day does provide 3144 02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:10,000 people with ample opportunity to find a 3145 02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,960 time that works for them. Um, as well as 3146 02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:14,720 the vote by mail, which people 3147 02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:25,349 definitely utilize. 3148 02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:27,920 discussion. 3149 02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:29,760 Council Kimberly, 3150 02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:32,560 >> how many steps is it between the time 3151 02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:34,800 that you get the the ballots and the 3152 02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,560 time? 3153 02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:39,520 >> 12 manual steps per ballot from receipt 3154 02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:47,110 of the application to tabulation. 3155 02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:48,960 Uh, is there any way that this could 3156 02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:54,870 deter anyone from voting? 3157 02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:58,080 » I think technically yes, if someone only 3158 02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,080 had one opportunity to vote on one of 3159 02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,120 those days, to be honest, it it could. 3160 02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:05,840 However, we do have vote by mail 3161 02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,160 applications are automatically mailed 3162 02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:09,840 out by the state of Massachusetts to 3163 02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,960 every voter in the Commonwealth. Um, so 3164 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:15,520 people can avail themselves to that. 3165 02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:17,439 They can avail themselves to absentee 3166 02:21:17,439 --> 02:21:20,479 voting as well as election day voting, 3167 02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:23,040 full week of voting, the week leading up 3168 02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:25,280 to the election and on the two Saturdays 3169 02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:29,270 leading up to the election. 3170 02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:31,200 » How important is it for you to have 3171 02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:37,349 volunteers to help you at the poll? 3172 02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:41,120 Um having a good uh pool of election 3173 02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:44,080 workers is very important. Um election 3174 02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,080 workers do have to go through training 3175 02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:47,840 and we have to make sure that the people 3176 02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:49,520 we're putting out there are ready for 3177 02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,479 that task. But the more people we can 3178 02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,120 have on standby who can come to election 3179 02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:58,399 worker training, um I'm hoping in the 3180 02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:01,280 future to be able to have pole worker 3181 02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:02,800 information sessions just for 3182 02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:04,640 prospective pole workers to give them a 3183 02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:06,000 better idea of what the job is going to 3184 02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,160 be. Um 3185 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,160 having people who are willing to step up 3186 02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:12,720 and and be reserves on election day and 3187 02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:14,960 work elections is is very valuable to 3188 02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,640 the clerk's office. 3189 02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:19,280 >> Thank you. 3190 02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:22,160 mentioned Saturday. Um it's not on 3191 02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:25,120 your your proposed hours. 3192 02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,760 >> We're not allowed to reduce that. 3193 02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,760 It'll be six hours on the two. Each 3194 02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:31,200 Saturday will be six hours. 3195 02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:33,280 >> Oh, got it. So So those are still 3196 02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:35,680 available Saturdays. So it's not just 3197 02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,439 these five, it's actually seven 3198 02:22:39,439 --> 02:22:41,840 and the S and the absentee if they can't 3199 02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:43,120 they're not going to be here on election 3200 02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,200 day and they can't make it to any of 3201 02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:46,800 these, they can still come in. They have 3202 02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:48,399 legitimate reason to do an absentee 3203 02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:50,960 ballot at any time. 3204 02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:53,200 It really isn't 3205 02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:56,319 super hardship. 3206 02:22:56,319 --> 02:22:58,960 Elections have been elections have been 3207 02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:00,880 killing the clerk's office. Um 3208 02:23:00,880 --> 02:23:03,359 >> we like grace. [laughter] 3209 02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:05,680 I I just have a question and just 3210 02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:06,479 council grace 3211 02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:08,880 >> for our listening public. You're not 3212 02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:10,560 eliminating the first week of early 3213 02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:12,800 voting. You're just lessening the number 3214 02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:14,880 of hours that it's available. Correct. 3215 02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:16,640 >> Correct. Thank you. 3216 02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:18,800 >> So, we would still the plan would be to 3217 02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:22,880 have 8:30 to 11:30 Monday through 3218 02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:27,040 Wednesday and then 11:30 to 6:00 p.m. on 3219 02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:29,280 Thursday to get the afternoon and 3220 02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:33,120 evening crowd and then um 8:30 to 12 on 3221 02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:40,070 Friday. 3222 02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:40,640 » Benson, 3223 02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:43,040 >> thank you. Um, and just remind me, so 3224 02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:44,560 with the reduction, it's like how many 3225 02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:47,040 hours are we losing if you if if 3226 02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:48,880 reducing those if you if that makes 3227 02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:49,520 sense. 3228 02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:51,359 >> It would be a 50% reduction. 3229 02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:53,439 >> Okay. So instead, it would be 3230 02:23:53,439 --> 02:23:55,760 >> if we were So Monday through Wednesday 3231 02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:56,960 would be till 3232 02:23:56,960 --> 02:23:57,359 >> 11 3233 02:23:57,359 --> 02:23:59,359 >> city hall till 11:30. But if it wasn't, 3234 02:23:59,359 --> 02:24:01,200 it would be till city hall closes. Is 3235 02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:03,520 that okay? And then Friday would be the 3236 02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:05,439 same, right? So it doesn't matter with 3237 02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:06,960 Friday it wouldn't you would you would 3238 02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,640 do it till 4 if you didn't reduce the 3239 02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:10,560 hours or it would be till 3240 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,160 >> on Friday it would be till 12:30. 3241 02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,560 >> Okay. Yeah. So you're just losing that. 3242 02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:23,429 Okay. Um thank you. Appreciate it. 3243 02:24:23,439 --> 02:24:24,960 Right. 3244 02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:25,120 If 3245 02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:29,040 >> I may um I'm not a question, but um I 3246 02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:32,160 understand the the concern the the 3247 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:34,399 struggle that your office has with 3248 02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:37,040 staffing and all of that. I'm just not 3249 02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,840 comfortable reducing any vote any hours 3250 02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,240 for for the ability for people to vote. 3251 02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,160 So, I won't be supporting this, but I I 3252 02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:46,000 don't want you I don't want your office 3253 02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:48,000 to take that as because I know and I and 3254 02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:49,760 you know how I would feel. I would want 3255 02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:52,240 to add more staff and I know the the 3256 02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:54,399 work that goes into it and I've been to 3257 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:56,720 many I've been to the preliminary or the 3258 02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,399 primary this one and saw the work that 3259 02:24:58,399 --> 02:24:59,920 goes into it and I appreciate everyone's 3260 02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:02,880 work. Um but just I'm just not 3261 02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:05,040 comfortable reducing any hours for for 3262 02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:09,349 voting. Thank you. 3263 02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:12,560 » Council Paige, 3264 02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:14,960 >> I'd like to say that I know um Grace has 3265 02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:16,960 worked in that office for a long time. I 3266 02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:18,880 think that voting has changed 3267 02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:21,439 dramatically over the years and the 3268 02:25:21,439 --> 02:25:24,240 burden of her office has increased 3269 02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:27,200 beyond what they can even keep up with. 3270 02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:32,399 And if if the city clerk is asking us 3271 02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:34,479 for an accommodation, 3272 02:25:34,479 --> 02:25:38,160 I will fully support that. 3273 02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:40,319 >> Thank you. And I just would like to say 3274 02:25:40,319 --> 02:25:42,800 that um there isn't anyone sitting at 3275 02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:46,160 this dis that wants to restrict anyone's 3276 02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:52,160 voting rights. Um this is this is a um 3277 02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:54,720 well a majority at this table is people 3278 02:25:54,720 --> 02:25:57,760 who would not at all tolerate limiting 3279 02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:00,319 people's voting rights. This is a a 3280 02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:02,960 common sense compromise. Still makes it 3281 02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:05,120 available. Absentee voting is available 3282 02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:07,280 for people who cannot make it. I think 3283 02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:10,479 that this is a a a smart move knowing 3284 02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:13,280 intimately how difficult it can be 3285 02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:16,160 during um elections and we seem to be 3286 02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:19,280 having numerous elections in Gloucester 3287 02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:22,240 um you know two specials in the last two 3288 02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:25,280 years or three years three specials 3289 02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:27,200 right three specials 3290 02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:28,399 >> great 3291 02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:31,600 >> um plus primaries and it's just been an 3292 02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:34,399 incredible burden and I think if they 3293 02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:37,200 that office has so much other 3294 02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:39,040 duties that they have to perform during 3295 02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,520 the course of the day that have it to 3296 02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:43,680 have it being eaten up by this and and 3297 02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:46,720 these polls are not um banned by 3298 02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,680 volunteers. They're paid personnel. 3299 02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:52,000 Um so it uh 3300 02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:53,760 >> I have volunteered at the polls for free 3301 02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:56,240 before. So that's that's what I was 3302 02:26:56,240 --> 02:26:58,399 getting at. 3303 02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:02,240 >> Um so I think that this is a uh you know 3304 02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:04,399 a common sense compromise. I don't think 3305 02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:10,479 it's really inhibiting anyone on their right to vote. And I know that 3306 02:27:10,479 --> 02:27:11,920 most people up here really feel 3307 02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,080 passionately in that same direction that 3308 02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:16,240 there's, you know, if this was in any 3309 02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:19,600 way going to really restrict anyone's 3310 02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:22,720 right to vote, I don't think this would 3311 02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:26,950 have a prayer of passing. 3312 02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:29,120 Council Paige, 3313 02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:32,960 >> would it be valuable um for the city 3314 02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:36,960 clerk's office when there is election uh 3315 02:27:36,960 --> 02:27:40,399 work and things to be done to 3316 02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:44,720 maybe divert or close the office for 3317 02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:46,399 maybe other routine business so that 3318 02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:50,880 they can focus on election work? 3319 02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:53,359 Um, council has been gracious enough to 3320 02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:55,520 or council president and vice president 3321 02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:58,640 to allow us to um, close on some of the 3322 02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:02,160 days leading up to an election and um, I 3323 02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,319 might be coming to them again if we have 3324 02:28:04,319 --> 02:28:06,479 a big batch of vote by mail ballots 3325 02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:10,000 ready to go out. We have almost 3326 02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:12,399 4,000 already applications that we've 3327 02:28:12,399 --> 02:28:16,479 entered. Um, so yes, when we really find 3328 02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:20,000 ourselves in a bind, um, that is very 3329 02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:21,520 helpful, but at the same time, we want 3330 02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:23,200 to be mindful of all of the other 3331 02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,000 services that we do offer to the public. 3332 02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:29,520 Um, and and continue to provide those as 3333 02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,920 well. 3334 02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:34,319 >> I mean, you know, you 3335 02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:37,040 people don't I mean, they sometimes they 3336 02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:38,880 take time off from work to go to the 3337 02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:40,479 clerk's office and they go and it's 3338 02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:42,160 closed. What's it doing closed? I mean 3339 02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:43,680 they, you know, it's a little hard to 3340 02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:45,920 communicate that. So it's it's really 3341 02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:47,760 kind of a hardship on the community. I 3342 02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:52,160 mean, well, we it it worked, but there's 3343 02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:53,520 then there's that work that doesn't get 3344 02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:56,399 done, you know, and it sort of sort of 3345 02:28:56,399 --> 02:28:58,640 creeps up. And I would like to say, you 3346 02:28:58,640 --> 02:29:00,800 know, as the clerk said that on the mail 3347 02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:02,240 and voting, it's they have to handle 3348 02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:05,040 things 12 times. So I would really 3349 02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:07,920 encourage people to vote in person um 3350 02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:10,240 for the integrity of the elections. It's 3351 02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,319 that's the best way to assure that your 3352 02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:15,040 vote is counted. So, while it's 3353 02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:16,880 convenient, you know, we all got the 3354 02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:21,280 postcards, um it's it's it's not the 3355 02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:25,120 most um sure way to make sure your vote 3356 02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:28,479 gets counted and it's also it's doesn't 3357 02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:32,080 make it makes the job for a very um 3358 02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:34,000 staff that has a whole lot of other work 3359 02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:36,319 to do. Um, so I would encourage everyone 3360 02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:40,399 to please go go vote on election day. 3361 02:29:40,399 --> 02:29:42,000 >> I would like to ensure people that their 3362 02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:46,070 votes will be counted. 3363 02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,479 » I lost in the mail. 3364 02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,479 >> Do I remember correctly, Grace? I 3365 02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,399 believe you have the longevity in the 3366 02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:56,240 office that the prior city clerk had 3367 02:29:56,240 --> 02:30:00,319 forwarded a request to eliminate mail in 3368 02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:02,880 ballots. 3369 02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:05,520 No. Am I I dreamed that I 3370 02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:06,640 >> think so. I 3371 02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:08,319 >> I think so. And I think the council 3372 02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:11,439 denied that request 3373 02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:12,720 >> to eliminate 3374 02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:14,319 >> Yeah. mail and ballots 3375 02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:17,280 >> not for state elections. Um there is an 3376 02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:20,160 option for city council to choose to not 3377 02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,800 offer vote by mail for local elections. 3378 02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:23,600 >> Local. Okay. 3379 02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:27,359 >> Um yeah, if if I could just follow up. 3380 02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:29,920 Um, 3381 02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:33,120 we in our office do everything in our 3382 02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:35,520 power to make sure that any ballot that 3383 02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:37,040 we receive goes through the proper 3384 02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:39,040 process and gets to the polls. But even 3385 02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:45,200 the postmaster um for this region has said to voters in general that the 3386 02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,040 way ballots get rooted now, they don't 3387 02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:50,399 get processed locally. They go to um 3388 02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:52,800 whatever processing plant, which can 3389 02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:54,960 seriously delay ballots. So, if you get 3390 02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:56,399 a vote by mail ballot, please just 3391 02:30:56,399 --> 02:30:58,240 return it as soon as possible rather 3392 02:30:58,240 --> 02:30:59,920 than wait close to the election to 3393 02:30:59,920 --> 02:31:01,359 return it because then you might run 3394 02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:04,880 into an a sticky spot where it's not 3395 02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:07,920 going to make it back in time. 3396 02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:11,359 >> Box outside. Thank you. 3397 02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:13,280 >> Say that again. 3398 02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:13,680 >> Huh? 3399 02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:15,280 >> Say that again into the microphone. 3400 02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:17,760 >> Oh, sorry. So, and just to just I know 3401 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,880 people if with all those issues with 3402 02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:22,800 like postage and everything, if people 3403 02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:25,680 are able, they can put it on the put it 3404 02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:29,280 in the box outside. Correct. Yep. 3405 02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:30,479 >> Add one more thing while we're talking 3406 02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:35,040 about by mail. Um if if counselors who 3407 02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:37,280 you know talk about this with with your 3408 02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:39,359 constituents, please just let your 3409 02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:40,880 constituents know the importance of 3410 02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:42,880 signing the affidavit envelope on the 3411 02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:46,960 inside. we cannot process a ballot. Um, 3412 02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:48,479 we have to reject a ballot if that 3413 02:31:48,479 --> 02:31:50,960 affidavit envelope is not signed. We do 3414 02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:53,520 mail out a second ballot, but that 3415 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:55,520 obviously slows things down for the the 3416 02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,600 voter. So, just those little things, 3417 02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:00,479 making sure it is signed and sealed um 3418 02:32:00,479 --> 02:32:02,319 and sent back in a timely manner is 3419 02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:04,479 going to really up your chances of us 3420 02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:06,960 getting it and having a ballot that we 3421 02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:09,680 can actually um check in and take to the 3422 02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:10,640 polls on election day 3423 02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:12,880 >> and then put it in the machine. 3424 02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:15,040 So yeah, but just to clarify if I may. 3425 02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:16,560 So if someone doesn't sign the affidavit 3426 02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,720 though, they are notifi you they are not 3427 02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:23,920 >> if it arrives on election day that 3428 02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:26,560 notification is not very helpful. 3429 02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:28,319 >> We do try to call people if they 3430 02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:30,000 provided us with the phone number just 3431 02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:31,520 to let them know that we received the 3432 02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:33,200 ballot back. It wasn't signed. We have 3433 02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,600 to reject it. So we need to get to the 3434 02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:36,160 polls 3435 02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:38,720 >> so they can go on they if you get get it 3436 02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:40,319 like a day before election day and 3437 02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:42,080 that's it. you try to call them and then 3438 02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:43,280 they can go on election. 3439 02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:44,560 >> There are some people that don't provide 3440 02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:46,960 us with a phone number. So there's no 3441 02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:47,840 way for us to reach 3442 02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:50,240 >> very important to sign the affidav. 3443 02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:54,070 >> Thank you. 3444 02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:56,240 Else 3445 02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:57,600 all those in favor? 3446 02:32:57,600 --> 02:32:58,800 >> I opposed. 3447 02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:00,319 >> No. 3448 02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:03,520 >> Um motion passes six to one with two 3449 02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:09,910 absent. 3450 02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:11,520 Next door to business. Madam clerk, 3451 02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:14,720 >> councelor's request to the mayor. 3452 02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:17,200 >> Hey, councel Kimbley. 3453 02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:19,520 >> I have not at this time. 3454 02:33:19,520 --> 02:33:22,240 >> Hey, council me. 3455 02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:25,920 I request have been mailed. 3456 02:33:25,920 --> 02:33:26,960 >> Council meard, 3457 02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:29,359 >> I would just like to join everyone in uh 3458 02:33:29,359 --> 02:33:31,920 welcoming our new trash and recycling 3459 02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:35,520 bins. Uh ward one my driveway. We 3460 02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,120 received them this afternoon. They're 3461 02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:39,200 beautiful. They're bigger than I 3462 02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:41,600 thought. They're fairly rugged and uh 3463 02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:44,560 the roll out by the DPW and Cassala has 3464 02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:46,560 been really pretty good considering and 3465 02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:47,840 we have a week or two to get things 3466 02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:50,240 sorted out and then we're October 1st 3467 02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:52,720 they're put into use. So I'm sure 3468 02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:54,800 there'll be a lot of adjustments and 3469 02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:59,840 details to see to but I think we're on the way. So welcome to the new 3470 02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:02,560 age for all of Gloucester. 3471 02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:04,000 >> Council Paige, 3472 02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:06,880 >> no requests. Thank you. Council Densson, 3473 02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:09,760 no requests at this. Councelor Grace, 3474 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:12,479 >> um just to add to what um council member 3475 02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,720 Hard had to say, just a reminder that 3476 02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:17,439 this goes live on October 1st. So that's 3477 02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:19,760 a Thursday, next Thursday. So your 3478 02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:21,600 regular your trash on Monday, Tuesday, 3479 02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:23,600 and Wednesday will of next week will be 3480 02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:26,319 the same. And also that gives um almost 3481 02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:28,560 a whole extra week for these barrels to 3482 02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:30,960 be delivered. So um there's been a lot 3483 02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:32,399 of scuttlebutt out there about, you 3484 02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:33,920 know, I haven't gotten my barrel yet. 3485 02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:35,680 What's taking so long? we're going live. 3486 02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:38,240 Remember that if your trash is collected 3487 02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:40,160 um on Wednesdays, you have a whole 3488 02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:41,920 another week to wait. So, there's still 3489 02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:44,560 time. So, and to be patient. Um, and my 3490 02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:46,720 request to the mayor is that I would I 3491 02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:48,960 would like to have some sort of um 3492 02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:51,840 whether it's a spreadsheet or email 3493 02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:53,359 chain, whatever the case may be, that 3494 02:34:53,359 --> 02:34:54,960 when there's a large project that's 3495 02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:58,080 going to happen in a ward um that that 3496 02:34:58,080 --> 02:35:00,640 would significantly impact a ward or a 3497 02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:02,240 neighborhood within a ward, that the 3498 02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:04,800 ward counselors be contacted about that 3499 02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:07,760 project um from the get-go and kept in 3500 02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:09,439 the loop about everything rather than 3501 02:35:09,439 --> 02:35:11,200 having to play c us having to play 3502 02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:13,040 catchup when things get to the public 3503 02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:15,120 hearing. portion of something. Um I 3504 02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:17,840 think it's important that um counselors 3505 02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:19,920 are knowledgeable about what's going on 3506 02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:22,319 and there's a gazillion in one boards 3507 02:35:22,319 --> 02:35:23,920 and commissions in this city and 3508 02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:26,800 sometimes it's really difficult to be on 3509 02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:28,720 top of everything that's going on. Um 3510 02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:31,760 councelor Paige is really good at it. Um 3511 02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:33,600 you know, but it's it's I think it's 3512 02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:35,359 important that the the counselors be 3513 02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:38,080 notified of upcoming projects in their 3514 02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:41,680 wards. um not when it's already, you 3515 02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:44,000 know, nine miles down the road, but from 3516 02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:47,040 the get-go. Thank you. 3517 02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:51,030 >> Thank you. 3518 02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:52,960 » Motion to adjurnn. 3519 02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:55,520 >> So, make a motion to adjurnn. 3520 02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,160 >> Second. 3521 02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:00,000 >> All right. Councelor Paige made a motion 3522 02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:03,600 to adjurnn. Councelor Benson um seconded 3523 02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:07,600 it. Councelor Grace whispered it. Um and 3524 02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:09,040 uh all those in favor 3525 02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:10,479 >> I I opposed 3526 02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:13,439 >> eyes have it seven to zero 3527 02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:16,760 >> two absence.