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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the March 1st Board of Advisors meeting. And for

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those in audience, and those that are watching tonight on TV are watching a video. So, Mr.

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Willow, public worker, call the roll call, please. Mr. Gibson, Mr. Chris Carroll, Mr.

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Smith, Dr. Orr, Mr. Hudson, Mr. Hadrick, Mr. Bezon, all present. Okay, let's all stand for the rise for

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the invocation. Followed by the pledge of allegiance, and I'll be giving the invocation. Let's

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our heads please. Let us pray heavily, Father. We live in uncertain times, times not imagine just two years ago.

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Communities still struggling with the coronavirus, and it's effects under lives and the

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families. Businesses and local governments trying to maintain or even find good, competent

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employees that today's world, a changing climate that will affect many lives in our fragile environment.

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And now one war on a democracy on herd of since World War II. However, what is certain in this world is your

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love for us? And let me read a few verses from John 15, verses 9 through 13 and 17,

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as a father has loved me, so I have loved you. Now, we make it my love. If you keep my commands,

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you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my father's commands and made in his love.

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I've told you this so that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete. My command is this.

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Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one that greater love has no one

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than this to lay down one life for one's friend. In the 17, this is my command. Love each other.

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And again, let's keep the people in Ukraine in our thoughts and prayers. And Jesus name your pray. Amen.

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Okay, let me get rid of this mess here. Okay, approval of the minister, gentlemen, I

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am three to seven to seven seconds, sir. Okay, the second, all the favors that I. Okay,

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the adoption of the agenda, sir, something motion to approve. Okay, all those in favor say I.

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Okay, we have approval of the consent agenda, sir. All those in favor say I. Okay, next I'm matters presented

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by the board. Mr. Gibson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I just appreciate everyone being

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here tonight. It's fantastic to see a so many folks from the community here. And the reason of one of

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the reasons I'm glad you're here is because I want to take this opportunity to recognize an outstanding

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county employee that I think many of you know Karen Schalf of page middle school. Karen is the choir director

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and theater arts teacher at page middle school. She's been with the school system for many, many years.

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She pours her heart and her soul into her work and the her students benefits so greatly

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from her work. And just as past weekend, she and her team of volunteers, Katie Kava, Carolyn Molly,

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and Becky Hogg put together along with many many students the production of Frozen Junior at the

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high school. I'm sure many of you attended that. I had an opportunity to go to both shows and it was

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outstanding. I think we've got some future Broadway stars here in Gloucester and I just wanted to

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commend Mrs. Schalf for all of her hard work and the many many hours that she put into this production as well

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as the students. There were over 40 students in the cast as well as countless volunteers. And I think

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it was just an example of the excellence that we see in Gloucester County Public Schools. So Mrs. Schalf is here

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with her son, Jayce, if they could stand up and be recognized.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'd be able to add the matters presented by the Vortanite.

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I see in London we're going to move to the County Administrator items. Miss Thiel,

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acting administrator, please. I am very happy that we have a mask change. And as of today,

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based on the new guidelines and our low transmission rate, we are no longer requiring masking

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county buildings and county employees are ecstatic about that. I want to remind everybody that

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clean Gloucester Day is on Saturday, March 26 from 9 to 1 and you can go online and register if you

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already haven't and if you're out that day and you're not a part of it, please be cautious as you're watching

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people clean the streets and I, it's a and grounds and it will challenge to all of us to not have it

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turn back around in a few weeks later because that seems to be kind of what happens. So let's kind of

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that's keep it clean and green. Also want to make sure everybody has their calendar mark for the upcoming

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Daphatil Festival which will be on Saturday and Sunday, April 2nd and 3rd and there's the show and

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there's tours and there's all kinds of other wraparound events. So please check those at the parade just

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check those out on the website and I wanted to give a quick update on our Gloucester collaboration that

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on March 21st, I will be online and zoom with people from Gloucester's all over the world and planning for

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our September 3rd Gloucester Day and we've already had a couple meetings on that and some more

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press will be coming out and there will be meetings with students on that day on a separate zoom and

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also members of the faith community on another zoom with people from Gloucester. And you will

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may have gotten, I know Mr. Krisco did but I just want to make sure and if you haven't will send out an email

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this is the annual request from the PDC for the commissioner's priorities and it's due on March 15th

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so we'll send this out and I think you all can just reply right directly to them. It is a word

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document so I'll send that out and that's all I have sir. Okay any questions for Miss Deel. Okay we're

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going to move on to citizen comment period now. We have two public hearings tonight. If you are

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here for one of those two public hearings we'll have an opportunity for you to speak following the

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presentation of the public hearing. So this particular component of the meeting is for just matters presented

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by the, I'm sorry, the citizen's a comment period just for general items on today's agenda. So again

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if you're here for one of the two items on the public hearing please wait until those are presented and

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then if you're here for that you can we'll ask for a citizen comment period. So are there any citizens who would

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like to come to speak to the board outside of the public hearing? I know Miss Deel Mary is going to be here

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obviously.

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How do we get your mic on one second? I read out there. Okay. We don't want to

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have a suburb. As we look forward to this fiscal year and plan for the next careful consideration

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needs to be reviewed on our national and world current conditions. First we do not have money.

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Inflation has reduced our net income to almost zero. The government now must change its mindset.

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The adage of tax and spend is over. The new deal is cut spending and save. Some on the board say we have

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no cash flow or have a cash flow problem. Now true we have a spending problem. Now is the time to shop

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an axe in the pen. Or for an early out to cut cost. Free is all hiring. We're only hired what is

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most essential. Limit all spending to essentials. With volunteer is to a wall-law inventory of every item

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not nailed down or sunk in concrete. The truth will be done. net and now. I will even give you a free

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database of summary from the inventory. As you prepare the budget provide transparency by showing

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the revenue and expenditures by line item in a six-column format per year. Do two years plus

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the current proposal with percentages of differences by line and year. Is there going to be a

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town hole meeting on your budget for the benefit to ask questions as to your reasons before you vote to

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approve or accept. Thank you for the time. Thank you, Mary. Any other individuals that would like to

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talk to us or comment to us regarding general items? I see no other miscraner. Are there any

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emails that are phone calls? Okay. Then if I don't see any others then I'll close the citizen comment

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period and we'll move to the public hearings. The first one is item A public hearing to consider

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issuance of not to exceed 37 million general obligation bonds for the Virginia Public School Authority

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this by BRG financial officers. I was going to say yeah let's get him in here. And I'm going to grab

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our financial advisor from else. Okay.

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Okay.

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That's okay. We'll get governance.

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We'll be waiting for you since.

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Okay, Mr. Chair, first thing I want to note, and Ms. Spivian are going to sort of tag

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team on this, and we obviously have a lot of experts in the room to help with that

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tube between Davenport reps and also the school reps.

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But I wanted to note that you have a replacement resolution that was put in hard copy, and

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there were extra copies provided, and the only changes, the blanks were filled in that are

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on paragraph 4 on pages 2 and 3, and just the highlighted areas, and you'll see that

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again, on their section 4 had 5 and a half percent, and the December 31, 251 date put in.

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So that's the only difference between what is in the board packet.

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So we've been working towards tonight for a while.

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We know we've got a number of capone prudent projects that have been approved, and it's time

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now to go out and get the funds to pay for them.

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The item that's on the screen is a summary.

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This was done last in the last board meeting as well, and so we have a public hearing for comments

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tonight.

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We're here to answer any of the questions.

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I know there was some concern raised about the wording on if we need to do some tweaking, so

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I would suggest that maybe you have the public hearing, and then we can talk about a words

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smithing.

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This vibe.

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Anything you want to add?

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The long thing I'll add is that our financial advisory team is here, a little bit of technical,

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and so after the public hearing, if you have questions for them, and with that, I think we know

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what we're here for.

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Okay, Andy, question for Ms. Spivey or Steal before we open the public hearing?

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If not, I will open the public hearing.

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Are there any individuals that would like to speak to this particular public hearing?

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I don't have a misdemeary.

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Thank you.

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We're going to get away.

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No.

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I was just waiting patiently.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

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Our Maori Pressworth.

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Here we go again, more debt, but only for a specific long-term structure and infrastructure

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equipment.

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The major question is how you can borrow money when you have had no preliminary bids received

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or even a solid spec sheet, established for the contracting bidders.

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This is insane.

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Do you really think the citizens are that stupid that you were fall for this proposal for

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the unknown?

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I found a state code, 22.1-175.4, and 22.1-175.5, construction loans, or a part of the funding

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that is available annually on a pro-rated basis to the divisions.

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So, where is it in the budget under what I know?

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This proposal tonight is flawed as to how it is presented.

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There are two distinct separations merged into one document, major renovations and FMRR projects

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that can be managed on an annual basis with no debt.

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They are paving, playground, lighting, roofing, amounting to $3.2 million.

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These items are all reoccurring, and their shelf life may be less than the proposed

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upgrade of use of the sector to suggest you to ten-year span.

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Additionally, you speak of debt, what is the current combined debt for the school system?

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It's annual payment schedule at what costs combined with its new proposal. If you do not have these figures tonight,

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how can you, and honestly, place a burden on the taxpayer who loses another portion of their

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net income that is required to meet the mortgage, put on clothes and food on the table?

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Howly recommend this proposal be rejected on the school board, not to superintendent a principal arm of

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this report, provide you, provide you with the figures required to borrow with contract

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vision hand until then, all projects are on hold. Thank you for the time.

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Thank you, Mr. Mary. Any other citizens that would like to comment on this specific

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public hearing?

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Ms. Cronett, any emails or phone calls? Okay, if I see no other citizens coming to speak to

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this public hearing, I'll close the public hearing on this and open the floor for questions to

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the Mr. Spidebeard or the school board people.

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And Mr. Chair, could I add a comment that if there's any interest, I'm sure one of the school reps

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can come up and speak to which of these projects have already not only been bid, but the items

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are in hand. So, for example, the playgrounds have all been purchased, these were things that were

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budgeted for some time, and engineering estimates were provided in order to create the budget estimates.

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So, again, this has been something we've known was coming, and it is also the first

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construction funds that would be used for the high school. Right now, the previous bond paid for

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the drawing, for part of the engineering, and this will keep that going as well as the actual

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construction. And then, in a year from now, we would be looking at a second bond for the rest of the

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financing. So, if there's any questions about any of the items, I mean, we know the bus compound

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that has already been bid and is out, HFAC, I think they've got most of not all of the

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paving, the playgrounds purchase. If there's any of those kind of questions, then I would relay that to

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a school. And we have people from Davenport here, correct? Yes. Mr. Spidebeard, we received the

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bid on the transportation facility. That was bid, and it came in over bid, and the board appropriated

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an additional schedule. It's a good one. Yes. It's a project on the other way. The site plans

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approved, they've been working on it. Yep, they're clear of the way. I'll say my advice. I know you will.

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Yes, Mr. Spidebeard. If anyone heard me last time, and I'm just going to make this brief and short,

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we are, and I'll say this again, when I voted for the referendum in my wife and

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kids voted for the referendum, we intended that money would be used for the school system. The way we did

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our budget was in accordance with the way the statute was written, and it's why I agreed to vote it,

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or at that way. However, as I'm sure you folks will know, if you voted for the referendum,

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I'm sure you voted for the referendum to benefit the schools, which I agree it should, but you did not

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vote to mismanage the funds coming from the one-cent sales tax. And the reason why I say

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mismanage is because we're betting we're depending on $5 million a year to pay for this debt

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for the renovation of the high school. If we don't get the revenues and anyone given year, if we're short,

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we're going to have to come to the tax payer for the difference every time. If the schools come up with

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another capital project that wasn't intended, or it was emergent, we'll have to pay for that,

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and where will that money come from? It'll come from us, the tax payers again. So we're betting,

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ladies and gentlemen, we're betting that we can hope and pray that we get the $5 million a year for this project.

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I will also say that if we need to make sure that whatever the loan amount will be, whatever that loan

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payment will be, any amounts, over that loan payment should be set aside in a separate account for emergent

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issues that may come up for the school system. That money has to be used for the schools, nothing else,

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but it should be set aside and used for any kind of emergent issues. So I'm going to vote for this tonight,

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but it's a $50 chance. Folks, we're taking a risk here. We're maxing out our credit card, ladies and gentlemen.

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This is what's happening in Glosser County tonight. We are maxing out our credit card. And the news

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media is out here. I hope that we do not mismanage this money, that we do not mismanage this

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debt, and I certainly hope that we make the revenues that was intended to be made as a result of this

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one sent sales tax. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pazon.

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Yes, Mr. Pazon. Mr. Pazon, Mr. Pazon, is there a second that we have this further discussion?

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Is there a second for that motion? Yes, and that is further.

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Okay, is there further discussion? Mr. Crisco, I am six. Yes, sir.

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I remember the last time we did this back in 2013. We took a $17 million borrowing

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12 million for page middle school and then another five million for other projects for the schools.

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That that meeting they were lumped in together, but I would like for us and our first

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where as on our resolution to where it says the local school bond to finance cost of public school

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projects contained in the county's capital improvement plan to then insert this list that we have here

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up on the screen for the projects as well as the dollar amounts associated with those projects to be added

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into this resolution. That way it gives us clear sight and clear tracking into the dollar amounts that

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it will be spent. Thank you, Mr. Crisco. Any other comments? Yes, Mr. Pazon.

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I would agree, Mr. Crisco, that this is, you know, enumerated in the resolution to make it abundantly clear

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for both us as governing body and for the public who may be affected, your real estate tax is may be affected

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because this huge amount of debt will be taken on for the renovation of the high school. Again, the problem

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with the high school is the HVAC system and I know my kids went there and they complained way back

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when, you know, 20 years ago when they were in the high school at Gloucester High and they were complaining about

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the heat and the cold. That should be the first priority. If the bids come in so exorbitantly high,

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I'm hoping that we can look at reviewing the scope of the work and reducing the scope as necessary to get us

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within budget. I'm not willing to pay another penny for debt for any emergent issue that may come

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out in the renovation of the high school. Mr. Hill, maybe you have the debt where people explain

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the debt issues. This is we have a lot of people here that are here for another reason, but it might be good

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for the person that having poor people. Kind of walk us through some of the debt issues because again,

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we do have a number of loan debts that are going to be paid off in short order one and then the other

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in 2027-2029 as Mr. Hector brought up before. We will have some capacity in the not-too-distant future.

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Mr. Malawi, we're all provided with a significant list of what the payments are every year for each of these loans.

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So we're quite aware of what our debt payments are. Some of those will be retired. And yes,

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as Mr. Bezani said, who knows, the crystal ball has been not very good by economists in the recent past,

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but Mr. Dattinport, I mean, it's cool. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. Thank you.

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Just kind of run through some of these things regarding the debt issues that we've got.

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Sure, particular this one request for this particular component.

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Okay, I'm happy to give a little perspective on that. I'm Ted Cole with Dattinport.

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Just if you take a step back before this potential new bond issue,

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tax-supported debt of the county and I'm going to go back to the audit for FY21,

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there's about $31.6 million of debt outstanding. And those are debt issues that have been issued over time for various purposes.

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And you're paying about $4.3 million a year as a county on that debt annual debt service $4.3 million.

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And $3 million of that $4.3 is principal. So you're retiring $3 million of the principal every year.

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We've got to, or you all, have a fairly significant step down in your annual payment in fiscal year 25.

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So we're finishing up fiscal year 22. In fiscal year 25, your annual payment is going to step down and I'm rounding, you know,

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7000 dollars. It steps down again in fiscal year 28 by about another $500,000. So I'm sorry, I don't have this for you.

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But in this chart, you can see there's some stair step down. So that is your debt profile as it exists today before this borrowing.

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And again, $4.3 million and we know there's some step downs as older bond issues come to their final maturity.

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So going forward, I'm sorry, but I'm sorry. Do we have a picture of that chart?

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We don't, okay. So Mr. Cole, I think it might be good because when we say FY25, the first, the last payment is I believe,

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June of 2004, correct? May be $23.23. 23. 23, right?

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It's going to step down in 24, it's from 24 to 25. So, because I went through those numbers with

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Ms. Bybe. Right. Because it does play a big role in response to Mr. Hedrick's question about what would happen

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if another project came up that we needed a significant chunk of change.

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The interest payments.

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23. 23. July 15 of 2003, which is the very beginning of FY24, right, is your last payment on the 2003 bond.

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That's Achilles and Bottetot.

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That's $600,000. Well, you said $700, but it was $5,000. It was $5,000.

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That's correct. That's the total payment for that bond issue. It's $5,99.

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And so that is that 2003 bond step down is what is driving the majority of the reduction from 4.3 million to 3.6 million.

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Can you say it again what the potential revenue from the one-cent sales tax will be approximately?

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Yes, in our planning work for fiscal year, we once again get to that page.

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fiscal year 22, the year we are in, $5 million is what's in the modeling and then $5.25 million in FY23.

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So that would be the annual principal and interest payment per year for that?

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So that's the new revenue that is already from the one percent sales tax.

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Mr. Hudson has a question.

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Well, I'm not. I'm sorry.

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Okay. Mr. Cole, are you going to be here for agenda item 11A?

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Yes.

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Okay. Can be.

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I think I mean, I'm setting it thinking because that's when we're talking about the one cent.

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He just got.

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Okay. So that's where I'm thinking it might be better.

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Some of the, I think he also is. I don't want to cut you off.

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Okay. So I guess just, again, starting at where you all are in terms of tax supported debt,

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although I don't have it on the screen. You do know there's some step-downs

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beginning in fiscal year 25. This particular debt issue is model that

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going through the Virginia Public School authority, which you all have done before,

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they issue twice a year. They're going to be selling bonds in the spring.

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This is the one approval that's needed from the County Board of Supervisors.

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The school board has considered their resolution. And in our discussions with staff,

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we've determined and putting this bonds issue together, 35 million of projects.

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And it's, they're enumerated there on that slide lines 1 through 7, how we got to 35 million.

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And line 7 is sort of, if you would, it's the plug number,

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glossed our high school renovation, 24.1 million. That brought us to an even 35 million.

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The way the reason the resolution states a principle amount not to exceed 37 million

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is where we go to the upper right side of this page. And it's a Virginia Public School authority recommendation

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that when you approve the amount of debt to be issued, they'd like you to approve

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with a 5% cushion. And that is to account for a potential bond structure that they control,

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you all don't control of what we call a discount pricing. And it's all set up in a way the primary goal

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or the goal is to get you the 35 million. You may need to issue a little more than 35 million to get that.

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But you're only going to issue enough to get the 35 million. So that 37 million up to up to 37 for the

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principle amount. If we're pricing today, you wouldn't need it. In fact, we'd actually go the other way.

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You would actually only be issuing in the low 30 millions to get 35. And again, that's not specific to

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glossor. That's the way the bond market works. The goal of this resolution and the two amounts is to

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try to provide you all and VPSA, the flexibility to get you the 35 million. At the end of the day,

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you said, you know, we want 30, or we want 40, that parameter would change. But based on the planning work,

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we've done in saying we want to close this loan and be able to deliver to the county, 35.

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We've got a million for these projects. The resolution is written, does that. And you won't issue any more than

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needed to get the 35 million. Plus, the issue is cost. We've got a placeholder of 150. I think

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it's closer to about 80,000. So it's a little less than what we've shown here. The expectation

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would be that a next spring, there would be the potential for another borrowing to provide funding

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for the remainder of the gosh or high school project. And I suppose anything else you all might determine

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is appropriate.

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I just want to let him finish his thought.

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Oh, yeah, sure. When we funded and sold the bonds for the page middle school,

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there was some touching go issues there with respect to where we able to sell enough bonds

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in time to complete the project. I recall that did happen. It was late in coming. Do

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you anticipate what the economy the way it is? And possibilities of things going overseas

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that may affect our own economy. Do you feel there will be enough investors out there to buy

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all 35 million of these bonds?

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Quickly.

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I do. And you have a track record or you have an empirical data that shows that?

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I mean, the Virginia Public School Authority is the issuer of the debt. So they're the issuer

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of the debt. They're very highly rated as a component of the Commonwealth. They will

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be selling bonds on behalf if you approve this on behalf of Gostre and some other number of counties

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or cities that are applying for this spring pool. They have an excellent track record of

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having sold bonds even in what are difficult markets. Obviously there's no guarantees that

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come the day that they're selling bonds in April that we know what the interest rate is

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or we know that there's adequate buyers. But if the bond market is functioning and the market

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is open, VPSA has as good an opportunity to sell bonds competitively as any other issuer. They're

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triple-A rated, leveraging off of the state's triple-A rating.

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Are they are the VPA underwritten by any other entity that would back up those bonds if they

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weren't not sold in time? Gostre goes to the list would come back to the county then, right?

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Yeah, the risk would come back to us. Yeah, the risk would come back to those jurisdictions who are in

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the pool. And if for some reason something occurred where VPSA could not access the market or

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seize the market as being just not functioning and they feel like in their judgment they're

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better off waiting than everybody in that pool would have to wait. So what that would mean again,

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risk to the taxpayer if the bonds aren't sold quick enough or in a timely way to match the pace of

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construction, then the taxpayers here in this county will have to make up the difference in some way.

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To continue to pay the contractor, which we have a contract with, a firm fixed price contract,

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those payments have to come from somewhere. Again, ladies and gentlemen, that's more risk

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that we're about to take to selling these bonds. There is a risk, right? There is a risk that the bonds

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don't sell in April, sure, certainly. So the taxpayer will be left holding the bag making up the

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difference. So we'll probably possibly come to the taxpayer for the 5 or 10, maybe a 10-cent tax increase

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possibly, and that's saying what the amount would be. But there could be a time when we say not only one,

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number one, we don't make enough revenues in the 1-cent sales tax. Number two, the bonds,

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the selling of the bonds weren't keeping up with the pace of construction. And so therefore the taxpayer

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has to make up the difference with payments to the contractor because he will sue if he doesn't get his payments

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for a performance of work. So there is a risk there as well. I suppose I would defer to others who know

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what contracts have been left for what projects and what can be canceled if the bonds don't

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sell. I don't know the answer with that. Okay, any other questions from Mr. Cole?

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So we have a resolution and Mr. Crisco, do you want to amend that? That's it, include, we don't have, we have a

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resolution. And I will make the motion that we accept that resolution with the addition that I suggest.

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Well, we have a resolution already. We have a second. We have a second. Yeah, we have a second.

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And you want to just amend it too? I would like to amend it too for my change.

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I think Mr. Crisco alluded to the first whereas paragraphs, whereas paragraphs just tell

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a story, they're not really substantive. It's really that now therefore be resolved or deemed paragraphs

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that are of importance. So although you could certainly tweak the definition of project in the first

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whereas paragraph, it's really as Mr. Bruno indicated modifying paragraph 1 on page 2 of the authorization

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of school board of school bond and use of proceeds that I think should be modified. Yes, sir, which would

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clarify the maximum amounts attributable to each of these projects as indicated on the above chart.

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You okay, Mr. Crisco? Mr. Smith? Okay. Thank you. Mr. Crisco, it has a question.

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I do have what Mr. Bruno said over this. It's not, it's not, yes. So you will use that and I have it right here.

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In his email, but it's, it's not recounting of the school roof, it's recoding.

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So you might want to put that in. So it's, what you would do is you would substitute the following

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language for the language contained in section one on page two. The board here by determines that it is

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advisable to contract a debt and issue and sell its general obligation school bond in an

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aggregate, principal amount, not to exceed $37 million, parenthetical the, quote, local school bond

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and quote and parenthetical. For the purpose of financing the project period, the board here by authorizes

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the issuance and sale of the local school bond and the form and upon the terms established pursuant to this

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resolution period. The proceeds of the local school bond use for a particular component of the project in

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capital peak is defined in the first whereas paragraph. She'll not exceed the following amounts,

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colon, parenthetical one in parenthetical, bus compound $5 million, $35,000, comma, parenthetical

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two in parenthetical school h-vac, $2,532,362, comma, parenthetical three in parenthetical school

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paving $1,588,650, comma parenthetical four in parenthetical playgrounds, 748,431 dollars,

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comma parenthetical five in parenthetical school lighting 717,458 dollars, comma six parenthetical six

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and parenthetical school roof coating, not recounting $236,250, comma and glossed her high school

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renovation, $24 million, $141,849, period. Set, right? Thank you. Okay Mr. Christopher, have you

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with that? So we have motioned to set the resolution as amended as the seconded and the other

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discussion is question. If not miss steel pulpit more please. Mr. Cole. You said earlier that to get the

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35 million we might be bonds around 30. We ran numbers based on the current market and to get the

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35 we were pretty close to 31 million because of something called original issue premium. So that

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resolution allows for that we just can't go that 31 can't go above 37. How often in the past that we

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had bonds sales like that. And for the last several years we've had this premium structure where

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if you want 35 you sell 31 but it works the other way which is a discount where if you want 35 you

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might need to sell 36. It's been sometimes since we've seen that but as rates go higher the chances of

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that become more likely. Where will the rates possibly need to go to? They. They, we ran these numbers

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and let me say that the way that VPSA sells their bonds that premium is not guaranteed. They take on a day

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in time certain they take bids from underwriting firms that do this. So every underwriting firm will

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bid these a little differently within very specific bid parameters that they're required to

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to adhere to. So one bidder might bid a premium bid and another bid's a bid with less premium. But point

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to your question if we're seeing rates now in the the low to mid mid two percent's

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we would we would need to get. I want to say you know in excess of three and a half to four

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percent. So I mean it could take a fair amount of rate movement to get to a discount pricing. But

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again I want to emphasize the bidders are giving given parameters that they bid on and and even

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in today's environment. One bidder may be bidding a premium and the other may be bidding less of

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a premium because of just where they believe the market is and what they believe they need to be able

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to sell those bonds to the market. Mr. Bazaar. Thank you. So much like the public has a credit score

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for you know their debt to asset ratios. Well this huge amount of debt that we're taking on affect our

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our either our bond rating or either our credit rating in any way because of the we're

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we're plusing up our debt almost double right and what we have now. Right. Yes sir we're plusing up doubles

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like we're going out with our credit card and buying a Rolls Royce. Does that affect our credit rating

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that? To the detriment not to the positive. Well I think it's it's I would answer it this way.

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debt levels absolutely are figured into your credit rating and generally speaking higher levels

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of debt mean that you have less financial flexibility. You have more fixed costs and and that all things

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being equal is is would be a negative on your credit rating or your credit score. That said debt ratios and

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measurements represent somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of the rating. You have things like the

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economy which is tax base and tax base growth wealth levels jobs. You have things like finances,

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your fund balance the way you budget the way you performed a budget that represent almost 60 percent of the

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rating. So debt is definitely important and generally speaking more debt means less flexibility which is

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a negative on the rating but there's also other significant components to the credit review that

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one could argue investment in schools creates opportunities for growth creates opportunities for

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job creation. So it is it's it's there are several things that go into the the review of credit but

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you know yes I would say higher level of debt represents less financial flexibility all things being

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equal you. So does that put us more at risk let's say emergent issue comes up with a school system that

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you know they need another $5 million to repair some other system in another school will that make it

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more difficult for us now that we're so in hawk just use Lehman's terms that we will not be able to

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get the debt and if we can't get the debt then we have to rely on the taxpayer to make up the

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difference. I guess what what I would say is when I look at the level of debt you all have today and what

390
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we're talking about adding here no doubt we are adding a significant amount of debt I don't believe

391
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it's going to preclude you from the ability to borrow in the future you know some lenders might look

392
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at it and say look there they got they got a higher level of leverage than they did a few years ago

393
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and we're less comfortable with that but I think when you look at where you are for a county of your size

394
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,920
I don't think you are overextended by taking on this debt I think you still maintain a very solid

395
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:37,600
credit and debt profile but I suppose all things being equal the the more debt you do now means you know

396
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,760
you may have a harder time taking on debt in the future and a more difficult time repaying that debt

397
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:51,360
all things being equal but again as you said we are going to be getting rid of debt in FY 25 27 2020 no you're

398
00:43:51,360 --> 00:44:01,200
paying off debt every year paying off principal $3 million a year. What's our current credit

399
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rating? The county has been historically rated as a double A. Well I want to say and we're

400
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:18,000
not sure it can help me I think because the bonds that carried the bond rating have matured or

401
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:24,080
been refunded that that rating has gone away. So it's not that you're not credit worthy it's just

402
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:30,480
those bonds are no longer outstanding so they don't need to be rated. So gentlemen the public what

403
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,000
they mean by the bond rate just for your adifications I know you hear for something else but I want

404
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,520
everybody to understand what we're getting into here folks is your FICO score if you have a FICO score

405
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,760
300 you're not going to be able to get any debt you won't be able to borrow anything. What Mr. Crit Mr.

406
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Mr. Hudson's mentions that our bond rating is like a FICO score if our FICO score goes now so low we won't

407
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,680
be able to borrow anything so the only way to make up the difference is through your real estate taxes.

408
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,680
So we are

409
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,500
We're taking a huge risk, folks, a huge risk going forward.

410
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,300
Any other questions from the call?

411
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:15,500
We have the resolution that's been amended, and I see no other questions or comments, so

412
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,000
mistil, hold the board, please?

413
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,000
And I want to make sure we do not.

414
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
We just had it.

415
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Mr. Chair, if I may, before you finish, I did not know that what I just read at Nazium was already in your board packet.

416
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
It's not.

417
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Oh, it's not.

418
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000
But it's right there.

419
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
She pulled it up.

420
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Oh, thank you.

421
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
From the today's email.

422
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
If I had I known that, I wouldn't have made it.

423
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
That's okay.

424
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
It was.

425
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
It was.

426
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
So that's the one you want.

427
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Right.

428
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
And we do not need to vote on the amendment, right?

429
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Friendly amendment or whatever that was.

430
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Not a certain general consensus.

431
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Okay.

432
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
All right, so.

433
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Okay.

434
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
We got it.

435
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Going for the bond with this additional information at it.

436
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Okay.

437
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000
You're probably too bad.

438
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Okay.

439
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
And this is the fall of the board, please.

440
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Okay.

441
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Mr. Chris, go.

442
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
I'm sorry.

443
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,000
It is in paragraph.

444
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000
It is in the paragraph home, but it's not in the warehouse.

445
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Right.

446
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Okay.

447
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Mr. Chris.

448
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Yes.

449
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Mr. Smith.

450
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Yes.

451
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Dr. Orr.

452
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Mr. Hudson.

453
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Yes.

454
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Mr. Hadrick.

455
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Mr. Visani.

456
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Yes.

457
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
With great caution.

458
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Mr. Gibson.

459
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Yes.

460
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Okay.

461
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Motion carries.

462
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Okay.

463
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Thank you.

464
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Okay.

465
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Red move to the next public hearing.

466
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Would you like us to stay for the.

467
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Well, right.

468
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Go maybe on the back if you want to.

469
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Yes.

470
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Okay.

471
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
So ladies and gentlemen, the public hearing that we have next.

472
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Is on the proposed FY2327 Capitol Improved Plan.

473
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
So this is a public hearing.

474
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,000
There are no decisions that it can be made tonight about taking anything out of the CIP.

475
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,000
This is just to allow the citizens to comment on the proposed CIP plan that Mr.

476
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Steel presented.

477
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,000
So we'll have Mr. Steel make a brief presentation.

478
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Comments from the board.

479
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And then we'll open up the public hearing.

480
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
To the citizens who want to assume.

481
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Most of where you were here for this specific public hearing.

482
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
So, Mr. Steel, I'll let you begin.

483
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Okay.

484
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Your presentation.

485
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Thank you.

486
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,000
So this is an abbreviated version of the presentation that I made on January 18.

487
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
So if any members of the audience are looking for more information.

488
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
It's on the county finance page.

489
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,000
And it's also in the meeting on the meeting portal.

490
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000
So this again, updated for tonight.

491
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000
And the topics of discussion reduced.

492
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:55,000
We're going to talk about pay go funding meeting that we pay for it with cash that we collected that time.

493
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Bonds or finance projects.

494
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Similar to what we just mentioned.

495
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Projects that were not contemplated as part of the CIP.

496
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:09,000
And then the summary of recommendations and the utilities information.

497
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,000
And ending with the timeline.

498
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Mr. Reminder that we have a scoring.

499
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Whole process that we go through that includes the public input from the planning commission.

500
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:28,000
And a rating of priorities from the board of supervisors as well as, of course, the scores from the department heads and things.

501
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:34,000
And this is the first page that lists each of the projects as they scored.

502
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:42,000
And with the red yellow and green were the county administrator or in my case.

503
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,000
The priorities for those projects.

504
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,000
And I'm sorry this is so hard to read, but I did highlight some yellow of some of the changes.

505
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,000
We'll be talking later on tonight in close session about the library.

506
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:07,000
And the board members may recall that what I had proposed in the CIP was to not put 5.6 million in for a new library.

507
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,000
But to put in $250,000 for repairs or enhancements.

508
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,000
I should say at the existing library and to continue the lease.

509
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000
The other item that was marked in yellow.

510
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,000
These are the only two things that were different from what was originally turned in by the department heads.

511
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000
That originally was turned in as a year one project.

512
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:35,000
And thankfully, the IT director was able to push it back a couple years.

513
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Cash funding issues.

514
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:44,000
If you add up all the things that everybody requested for the five year timeframe, it's over $32 million.

515
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,000
It would be nearly impossible to fund those projects in five years time.

516
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:57,000
We do know that at each time that we push projects back, they result in higher cost.

517
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:05,000
And they also end up competing with other new things that then come on to the five year list.

518
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:13,000
In the budget meetings with the board, talked about how we used to have a cash reserve for capital improvement projects.

519
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,000
And I strongly encourage that the board works towards that goal again.

520
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:30,000
And then I mentioned at the last presentation that is it time that we consider a 10 year plan versus a five because it's kind of,

521
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000
I mean there's no way these projects are going to get done in five years.

522
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
So should we be looking at a longer time period.

523
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,000
And does the board also want to consider possibly removing some of the items.

524
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Or at least marking them like I have on the ones that aren't considered because it, you know, it's not possible to do all of them with the funding that we have.

525
00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:00,000
So my recommendations include pay-go items and some special reserve accounts and carry over.

526
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:06,000
So the items in green are the things that are a part of the CIP recommendation.

527
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,000
First one is air conditioning retrofit for the schools for the school buses.

528
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:25,000
And in the small print there talks about allowing the board to use their FY22 operating fund balance at the end of the year to come back and ask the board for that as they have for other projects.

529
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,000
And to be able to fund those retrofits in that manner.

530
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:41,000
The Aberdeen Pier, as the board is aware and you all passed a resolution supporting that grant application and our commitment to that would be 40,250.

531
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,000
And if we get it then the whole project would be funded and we would be reimbursed.

532
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
And the full project cost $161,000.

533
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,000
And we'll know in May if we are going to get that grant.

534
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,000
The poll books over $66,000 that needs to be done.

535
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:09,000
And again we're hoping to do that in FY22 either with contingency money or money from within the registrar's department or a combination.

536
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,000
So it's not in next year's recommended CIP library I already covered.

537
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:24,000
The Woodville Park field renovation is the largest item that's included at $855,000 plus.

538
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,000
The historical building preservation which are the buildings in this circle that are in great need of care.

539
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:40,000
There's a restricted tourism fund for that so it is pay go but it would not come out of the general fund that would come out of the reserve account instead.

540
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:56,000
And the next item that I've included in there is the bus garage conversion and that was to start on the project where we would look at items that can be done while the school board is still using that facility.

541
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Looking at the roof and HVAC and some septic and things that we could go ahead and start on that project.

542
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:23,000
So right now if this budget was to go forward in this manner we would be pushing back another $3.6 million to another day and we would be funding 1.4 with cash pay go.

543
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:36,000
When we look at our fund balance which is generally the source that the board will use for capital improvement budget since we don't have a true reserve account.

544
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:51,000
We ended the year of F by 21 with 23.2 and if you skip on down looking at all the things that have been done to this point you really get down to the green line which is important as we expect.

545
00:53:51,000 --> 00:54:11,000
If we keep the 15% midpoint that we expect to have $350,000 that could go towards pay go or it may be needed to balance the operating budget as well but that would be you don't normally use fund balance in that manner.

546
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:23,000
And that would leave a gap even if we spent the whole 350 of 1.1 million of the things that I'd like to see funded that would then have to again be added into the operating budget.

547
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:29,000
On the bond projects this is just the two pages where it's got the amounts and the scores.

548
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:40,000
They're together the only bond projects are engineering and school related and if I go to the recommendations I don't have anything new happening fair.

549
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:47,000
We'll talk about the high school in a little while but there's no additional recommendations.

550
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:58,000
The Port Authority will know if that's going to happen and if it would go in as a match and an expenditure.

551
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:18,000
This was the chart and when I produced the budget next week you'll see more of the charts that were handed out in between but this is the original one that I included of when we're when will the debt we have be retiring and the dates that I used were the ones that came off the original sheet.

552
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:35,000
We're not the and you know from Davenport they were not the last payment it was when would it be the first year we could have for for spending and I will be double checking all of those two.

553
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:54,000
But was not contemplated and is the the community wreck center because it's just too large of an item and then the high school is in a different situation because again we're talking about that project separately.

554
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:06,000
CIP summary there it is again that 1.4 and then you add in the reserve account from the for the historical buildings at the tourism reserve account you've got 1.7 request.

555
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:17,000
At the last time when I presented I didn't get into too much of the priorities of the utilities and Mr. Reigns and Mr. Dawson provided some additional information.

556
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:41,000
So the items that are highlighted and yellow that we're already included in year one are the ones that we are recommending the funding for and that's a two page long document because there's so many different projects and the total spend would be just over 1.1 million dollars.

557
00:56:41,000 --> 00:57:05,000
Yes and that is including that's there are projects that are already underway and that's why they've got carry over money and then that would be continuing them as well as some new projects.

558
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:26,000
And are the ones that equal the one point. Yes and this is new so I will make sure I send those two I mean this whole thing will be posted but I send those two pages to you also that you can see which ones were the priority items.

559
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Yes thank you for point out so FMR are for two of the projects which removes them from having to be a capital line item.

560
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:50,000
That's what about the seven points that the top one the 120,000.

561
00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:06,000
That's done okay so can you when you do that can you just have the ones that are green totaled in addition so because this shows the 1.3 million almost 1.4 but it's only a million.

562
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Right. Thank you. I will put in the sub total which we'll reduce for the FMRR and I'll also note the ones that have already been done.

563
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:29,000
So where we are tonight the March 1st we're here for the public hearing I think it's great that we have such a wonderful turnout for the community talk about what they'd like to see and capital projects.

564
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:46,000
As the chair said we're not making any decisions tonight. Next Monday night will be presenting the recommended budget for the board and that will include I am sure some adjustments to the capital improvement recommendations.

565
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:57,000
So I think I'm hoping if things have to be cut I'm hoping that we still have established priorities so that if our funding situation improves.

566
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:03,000
We know which direction we won't have to sort of rehash now what do we do we'll know where we're going.

567
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Okay thank you Mr. Sealed we have any questions from the board before we open up the public hear it's a public.

568
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Okay ladies and gentlemen I will now open the floor to the general public this is for comments about the CIP and if you're going to talk can you kind of line up so that we can keep the stuff going so I know you're the first talk but we got several other people.

569
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:45,000
So yeah I think so yeah so we need to keep this what you want you to just sit your name that's the real district.

570
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:55,000
When you come up and keep your name and your management of district and that's what I start the brilliant time.

571
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Okay all set.

572
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Sean Chase uh where.

573
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,400
District. Good evening, guys. As you can see, I brought some friends. My name is Sean Chase, I'm the President

574
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:15,680
of the Gostre, Outlaws Youth Football and Chair, hearing Gostre. Our program serves over 150 boys and

575
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:24,080
girls from age 5 through 14. We currently hold all of our practices at Woodville. The reason

576
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,400
I'm here tonight is to play with you to leave the Woodville project in the capital budget

577
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,200
for this year. I've been closely monitoring the Woodville upgrades since last year after speaking

578
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,640
with Katie Lake and Greg Tongm. I reached out to Katie while a while back asking if there

579
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,640
are any plans to fix the major issues at Woodville. She advised me that there are plans to improve

580
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,800
the park, including lighting, the remaining fields, irrigation, proper drainage and using the

581
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:59,480
covert piping and most importantly leveling the fields. As I said, we practice on those

582
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:06,480
fields. However, there's no chance we can play any games. You see, the fields have such a crown on

583
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,520
them that it's incredibly dangerous for us to have any actual games on there. If you actually

584
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:20,360
look on the one side and look across, you only see half a person. It's that bad in there.

585
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:29,080
So, the other issue is the ditches in between the fields. Not only do they retain water, they

586
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:37,240
play host to some of the most fierce mosquitoes in all of the Austin. So when we have our home

587
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:43,720
games, we have to move over to Peasley, look all of our equipment in a couple of trailers worth

588
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:52,600
and have a full day's worth of actual games. Then we have to move everything back over to Woodville,

589
01:01:52,600 --> 01:02:03,000
simply because we cannot have games there. As you can imagine, that's quite a bit of work. If the

590
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:09,000
fields were to be leveled out and proper drainage, put in place and proper irrigation set up,

591
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:19,000
we could have a proper home for these kids. We would love to have an MOU investing in Woodville

592
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:30,040
for goal posts, scoreboards, and even a concession stand, which could actually help the area as far

593
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:35,640
as that because it could be a destination for events like jamborees, internaments that could

594
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:41,880
easily improve the economic growth. Imagine the amount of people we could bring in such events.

595
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:49,000
That could help the local businesses, including restaurants and hotels. Finally, I want to talk

596
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:55,880
about the most likely thing that's going to happen. The school bus garage is complete. That means

597
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,600
old-page field is probably going to be sold off. That means the kids over in the nights are

598
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:08,040
not going to have a home. So improving the Woodville project is going to help them as well because they

599
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:16,520
potentially would out have a place. Obviously, I'm out of time. Thank you guys for that. I have several

600
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more people that are willing to speak on that. Thanks, sir. Thanks, Speaker, please.

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I said your name, Magistair Altistic, please. Michael Seda.

602
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Good evening. Thank you. My name is Michael Seda. I'm a coach for the outlaws. I coach 12U last

603
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season. I coach 14U this season. I recently moved to September of 2020 due to the army.

604
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And so I just want to point out, I've been coaching for over 12 years and I find it imperative

605
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that we provide better support for our youth that are involved in sports by giving them the opportunity

606
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to train your own. I spent all my free time coaching and I've run a training facility here that I just

607
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open in February because of the development of our youth and our future leaders is a top priority

608
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for me. As a small community, we must embrace the challenges of adversity, lack of resources,

609
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,000
and the growing demand for enhancing our community with facilities that will keep our children involved in

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sports. Sports not only keep our children healthy and fit, but they provide opportunities that teach our

611
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:32,760
youth discipline, respect, and a true meaning of hard work. Nothing in this world is given out for free.

612
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We must work for what we want and we desire, and we are willing to put in that work necessary to

613
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help the loss there in our youth growth. This will make us an elite competitor. So college scouts want

614
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to come out and recruit our athletes, participation in sports is a privilege and our athletes have earned

615
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,600
that opportunity to compete with the very best. Sports are only, excuse me, sports are the only thing

616
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,360
that some of our athletes forward to on a daily basis while keeping them out of trouble. Last year,

617
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Gloster High School had 390 students graduate and only 9, I say 9 committed to play college at

618
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the collegiate level. This is 0.02 percent. Think about that, 0.02 percent of the graduates. Due to

619
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the lack of resources and developmental programs for athletes in Gloster, we lost many more athletes

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to the surrounding counties having better programs and facilities. For these reasons, I opened up the

621
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training facility for athletes. Our community has some amazing, talented children at all levels,

622
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and we continuously see our athletes go to other counties to play all sports because we simply

623
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do not provide the facilities to allow them to be the best they can be. And this is sad.

624
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This is why I chose the team up with Body by D and provide that opportunity to fit these athletes

625
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to continue to grow year round. As leaders in the community, it is your responsibility to protect

626
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our children at all costs. I understand that budget constraints often cost projects to fall

627
01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,760
off the radar and get put on the back burner, but this woodville project shouldn't be one of those.

628
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I ask, what is truly the mission and what is truly the focus for our youth is their focus.

629
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As stated by Mr. Sean Chase, we are asking for the leveling of the field and proper drainage to be

630
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completed while the community works together getting a scoreboard, concessions, concessions,

631
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,880
stans and field goal posts. I appreciate your time today and I ask that you consider what is

632
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morally right. How important is the future of our children? Thank you, sir.

633
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Good evening, Chairman, council members. My name is Estevon Kovieto and I'm here to speak to you about the

634
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woodville project. To get you to know me a little bit better, I am an active duty member and I am also

635
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part of the athletic director with Board of Laws to help us. I am currently stationed down at

636
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Joint Base and the youth. I have been living in Glossar for over two years and one of the questions I

637
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always asked is why did I choose to live in Glossar? Glossar feels like home to us. It feels like the

638
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:05,000
small town in Texas where we grow up. But the main deciding factor was the schools. We are doing my

639
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research on the schools here in Glossar. I found nothing but positive reviews and great feedback from

640
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,240
the community. In the two years we have been here, my family and I have been trying to work with the

641
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community of Glossar. One of those ways is through youth sports. My children are currently playing

642
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:27,000
with the great organization known as the Glossar Allows. This organization has in my opinion put the

643
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:32,120
children of Glossar and the surrounding counties in cities at the top of their priority list. They just don't

644
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teach them football. They mentor and it's still great discipline, characteristics and value

645
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,800
into each player. They have been building a community for our youth to participate in recreational

646
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:47,000
sports over at the Woodville Park. The Glossar Allows are not the only organization that used the Woodville

647
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:52,840
Park as well. There are other organizations that use it for other sports. There are other activities

648
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,640
that go on over. Our youth is a future of Glossar and for our youth to be successful we need to

649
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,440
start investing in them. That's why I believe that the Woodville Project is a good step in the

650
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right direction for the future of the youth of Gloss and for Glossar. Thank you for your time.

651
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Thank you sir. Thank you for your service to the country.

652
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,120
Thank you for your time. There's the board. David Davidson, pretty sure I'm pet's worth. I just moved

653
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to a boat at Peasley, so I think it's worth for me if I'm wrong.

654
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Look, I'm gonna come here like the first three gentlemen, just come up here and talk. All right,

655
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:39,960
I'm in here. From the military brought me to this area, I love this area just like Esteban

656
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:48,840
to sit. It reminds me home. All right, so I'm raising two kids in this county now. I put them through

657
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:56,120
sports the entire time. We need to, as parents, push our children to do things to be active,

658
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:02,360
to be involved. And if we don't have athletic programs to help these kids along, to give them

659
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:08,280
something to do, keep their mind going and not let them be idle. We're losing out. We're losing these

660
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:14,440
children to across the bridge. They're leaving here at a rapid rate to find other programs to go to

661
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because we can't give them the opportunity to do it here. We have the opportunity now. We have

662
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:27,880
this land that was given to us in the county that's been developed and worked on. It needs help. It needs

663
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:35,960
fixed up. Trust any outlaws in any other organization like Bay Stars, and even GYF when it was first,

664
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:43,080
our time was given to us to go down there after the tornado hit Page area. We went down. We worked

665
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:51,160
our tails off. We worked on that. Our sweat. Based our sweat. Give us something back. Give us

666
01:09:51,160 --> 01:10:01,160
something to give these kids a given an opportunity. Let them prosper. Let them develop. Let them be what

667
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:08,600
they want to be. Stop holding them back by just giving them my new places to do things. My new times

668
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:15,640
to do these things. The outlaws of organization and Bay Stars and itself will go out of their way

669
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:23,880
to help any child do anything they want to do. What I ask you as a board is don't take these funds away,

670
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:31,320
give them to these kids. Teach these kids you are here for them so we can keep teaching them as coaches

671
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:39,960
and mentors to develop as young adults to go on and be great thanks. Don't take this away,

672
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,640
give it to them. That's all I have to say thank you. Thank you sir.

673
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:57,560
Hi, my name is Jessica Chavez and I am in the Wear Academy. I'm not Wear Academy. Sorry,

674
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:04,840
the Wear District. I had quite a few things that I wanted to say but I feel like the last three

675
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:10,760
speakers covered a lot of them except for the fact that our youth have lost a lot. Our youth

676
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:17,960
have been through things that we will never be able to relate to as children. We have the pandemic,

677
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:24,200
we have the closing of businesses. We have the closing of activities that they're able to access.

678
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We have the lack of sports in middle school and high school. As a family that's been in the military

679
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:38,520
and moved all over the country for the last 20 years, I have seen every bit of this country and this

680
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:45,480
is an area that we are significantly lacking in. Our children, if it would be okay if they would

681
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:53,480
stand up, our youth are important. Stand up, youth come on kids. Right here, this is our future.

682
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:59,080
You know, we're staying here. We move to Gloucester. We love this county. We love the people. We are

683
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:04,280
leaving our extended families to stay here because we love it so much. This is our future right here

684
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,640
and don't cut the woodville funding. Please, we have to invest in our future. We have to show our

685
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,840
kids that they're worth it, that we believe that they're worth it. I think they've earned it. Thank you.

686
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,840
Thank you.

687
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,640
Are there any other individuals that would like to talk to us about the CIP plan tonight?

688
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:39,400
Ms. Croner, any emails or phone calls? No, Mr. Chair. Okay, if there are no other

689
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:47,800
comments from the citizens, I will close public hearing and open up the questions comments for the board.

690
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:58,840
Board members, anything from Ms. Deel? Mr. Hudson. Normally, we don't ask the citizens

691
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,120
questions, and I'm not asking the question, but I'd like some emails if you would.

692
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:10,600
What sports are the children of the youth leaving the county fourth and what other type of

693
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activities? To please on answer to my, I'd also more of a send an email please. The other thing would be

694
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:24,440
what lack of sports to the middle school. I mean, where are we lacking sports in the middle school?

695
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:29,640
Same thing. And please, I'm asking questions, because I'd like to be educated myself,

696
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:36,120
having kids have gone through the school, and normally, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to any of

697
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:43,240
you all by not taking your answer now, we just don't normally get questions back from you. So,

698
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:50,920
that's we're just trying to follow protocol. That's the only reason for that. But one thing that I want to

699
01:13:50,920 --> 01:14:02,200
say about this, and this doesn't concern with the park, years ago, Mr. Crisco and Dr. Orther,

700
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:11,000
and I were on the board, Mr. James, we increased taxes so we could update the school bus fleet.

701
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That's gone away. And, you know, it's the problem that we have with the budget our

702
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:26,600
year, that something that we've made put in the budget to perpetually change and improve the buses,

703
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:35,160
now we're using that money elsewhere. We need to look at getting back into the system, and I know we

704
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:42,120
through our community, we just gave them, they were able to get a lot of buses, but we need to get back

705
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,280
into the system of improving the buses and getting rid of the old buses and fleet.

706
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Jim, any other comments? I will, I will make a comment myself. I look at my own personal background,

707
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,280
when I was growing up, I couldn't play football because I had asked for...

708
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,000
We're pretty bad, but I play baseball, and baseball got me through a life as a kid. I understand

709
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:13,000
the value of sports. I lived. I drank, I ate baseball 24-7, all the way through high school.

710
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:20,000
So I understand the value of sports to kids. We want to do what we can for woodville Park.

711
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:27,000
We know a lot of that work was done by volunteers, and we appreciate that. We understand the value of sports.

712
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,000
When you look across the river at your county and see the facilities there, it's just amazing.

713
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,000
I wish we had the resources to do what they have in your county, but we don't.

714
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:43,000
But certainly, I'm hoping the board will look favorably to keep this item because we know how sports sports are to kids.

715
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:50,000
I've been there, done that, and I'm actually going to be coaching my son, literally, starting Thursday.

716
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,000
In your county, though, because that's where they live. So Mr. Crisco.

717
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Yes, there's a lot of conversation that still needs to go on.

718
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:05,000
And I applaud you all for coming out tonight and taking part in this process.

719
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:15,000
As we get the budget presented to us and start working on the budget, these items on this capital improvement plan along with that budget,

720
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:23,000
they'll all get massaged out and we'll work through that, and pay for what we can afford to pay for when we get to budget adoption.

721
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,000
So please stay engaged. Please send us the information. Mr. Hudson requested to the board.

722
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,000
To the board. To the board.

723
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,000
To the board.

724
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:40,000
And we've got to figure something out here because like people have said, there's going to be some stuff happening at the page middle school site in the future.

725
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:46,000
So please stay engaged. We're not making any decisions tonight that decision is forthcoming.

726
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,000
So just keep on us. Thank you.

727
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,000
Mr.

728
01:16:52,000 --> 01:17:01,000
I was just going to say if you don't know who are email addresses or just go to the Gloucester VA dot info and all of our email addresses are in there so you can look us up and.

729
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,000
Or just say BOS.

730
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,000
BOS all seven of us.

731
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Mr. Hudson.

732
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,000
One other thing. I appreciate bringing youth out here.

733
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:23,000
I was very fortunate to play sports in college and my three kids.

734
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Graduates have lost their ball played. So I know the importance.

735
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:32,000
And the one thing for the youth.

736
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:39,000
You all need to look at this and see that your parents are out here trying to make a better life for y'all.

737
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,000
And you all need to remember that when you have your own kids.

738
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,000
You need to stay active in the community. Now back for the parents.

739
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,000
This is something.

740
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Woodville Park the fields the crown at the field where we've all seen pictures.

741
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,000
Come back out to the budget hearings. Come back out to the other things and look at the budget.

742
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:07,000
And don't just stay narrow on Woodville Park.

743
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,000
Since I've been on the since the three of us have been on the board. I know that far.

744
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,000
And I know the rest of the guys also.

745
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,000
When it comes time for budget there's apathy all around.

746
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,000
And I would like to get the citizens involved in the budget.

747
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,000
The whole budget just like y'all are involved in Woodville Park.

748
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:31,000
There's more to the whole county than just Woodville.

749
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,000
So I mean I would like to see everybody involved.

750
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,000
That's my request of y'all.

751
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,000
Thank you.

752
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,000
Mr. Hedrick.

753
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Hello all.

754
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:48,000
I can't tell you how impressed I am with our citizens here in the county.

755
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:54,000
As an old fellow that sets here and looks a lot of really young faces.

756
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,000
I've been through the same thing that you folks are going through.

757
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,000
My kids went through school here in the county.

758
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,000
I coach soccer, softball.

759
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,000
A lot of the sports that my grandson played with.

760
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000
One of your football teams.

761
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,000
And I'm very sympathetic to all your issues.

762
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:22,000
But again, as my colleagues have pointed out.

763
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,000
Budget processes are really tough.

764
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,000
And we've got a lot of things to look at.

765
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,000
But my heart's with you.

766
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,000
I just want you to know that.

767
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Thank you.

768
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Mr. Bezani.

769
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,000
So some of you may recall.

770
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,000
We had about two years ago.

771
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,000
We had a second amendment.

772
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Two second amendment resolutions.

773
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
And we had not only this room filled.

774
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,000
But well over five or six hundred people outside this courthouse.

775
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,000
If we can have the same kind of.

776
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,000
You know.

777
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,000
Participation.

778
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,000
Participation.

779
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,000
That's where that's where the decisions are made during budget deliberation.

780
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,000
We're not going to make a decision tonight.

781
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000
About Woodville or anything else.

782
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
But we need you guys to tell us.

783
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Tell us what's important to you.

784
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,000
If all we hear are crickets during a board meeting.

785
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Then we're just going to take it and say, okay, what's important.

786
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,000
I try to do a newsletter.

787
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,000
I've got one forthcoming.

788
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,000
I'm going to do it after we do this meeting tonight.

789
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,000
But and that's the way I reach out to about 9,000 people in the county.

790
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,000
But again, participate in government, participate.

791
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,000
This is important to everybody.

792
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,000
When we talk about the debt.

793
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,000
How this may affect you in the future.

794
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000
That's important to you as well.

795
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Sports for youth.

796
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
That's important as well.

797
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
Come out.

798
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
You know, I'm hoping that we can do a.

799
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,000
A town hall.

800
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
We will always do a town hall.

801
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Okay.

802
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,000
So we'll do it.

803
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
We'll do a town hall.

804
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,000
Come out to that and speak up.

805
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,000
Right.

806
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,000
Speak up.

807
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Thank you.

808
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,000
Mr. Gibson.

809
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
Yes.

810
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
I'll be brief.

811
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Well, a lot more things on the agenda here.

812
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
But I just wanted to thank all of you for being here.

813
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,000
Both parents and students.

814
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,000
You do so much positive work in our community.

815
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,000
And the value of the lessons learned in sports are are so important.

816
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000
So I really appreciate you all being here.

817
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,000
And we are all very sympathetic to what you are requesting.

818
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000
And we're hopeful that that can be done.

819
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Just speaking to Mr. Hudson's questions about the sports that are missing in the middle school level.

820
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,000
There are no football teams for page and piezyly.

821
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:33,000
And I know that there are some discussions that looking in forming a joint football team for page and piezyly with the school board.

822
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,000
And so that is a gap that's not being addressed.

823
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,000
And then as far as sports of where kids are traveling.

824
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,000
All the sports.

825
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,000
Baseball football soccer basketball.

826
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,000
And that's that's disappointing because we need those kids to stay here.

827
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:58,000
But we'll go football.

828
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:03,000
The child is leaving to go play a sport that we have.

829
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,000
Is it because of ability or what?

830
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,000
I mean, there's reasons because I know I'm looking at base stars out here.

831
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:17,000
They have quite a few people that have gone to play at different levels that I know the parents and the kids themselves.

832
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
So are they leaving to better themselves?

833
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,000
For why are they leaving?

834
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,000
I mean, my kids wrote in Matthews.

835
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,000
They wrote in Gloucester both.

836
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,000
So there's reasons why kids are going to go.

837
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,000
Yes, there's sports that we don't have.

838
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,000
But I'd just like to know, you know, we don't have a cross.

839
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,000
We did, but we don't.

840
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,000
So I understand there's some of them.

841
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,000
But I'd like to get a better idea of what are the other sports.

842
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:46,000
But if a kid is leaving for a sport that we have.

843
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:52,000
It's not really the fault of the county as much as it's maybe the organization or their leaving.

844
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,000
So.

845
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,000
Okay.

846
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
And the other questions comments up.

847
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Yes, Mr. Smith.

848
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,000
I just like to.

849
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Thank the opportunity.

850
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,000
Just to thank all of you for coming tonight.

851
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,000
All of the parents and all the children.

852
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,000
It really makes a statement.

853
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:15,000
And I heard one gentleman say earlier that

854
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,000
they've lost, you know, a lot in the last two years or a whole lot.

855
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,000
And they've lost a lot in discipline.

856
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,000
And I know sports are definitely, you know, a discipline.

857
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,000
And they've lost a lot in discipline.

858
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
I deal with discipline every day.

859
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,000
And believe me, I know they've lost a lot.

860
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:37,000
So I, you know, I've just applaud you guys for coming out.

861
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,000
And voice in your concerns and as Mr. Bazaar says,

862
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,000
I do agree with him here.

863
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,000
I know he said, why?

864
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,000
That's recorded.

865
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
That's recorded.

866
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,000
I do agree with him.

867
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,000
Just remember, then stop here tonight.

868
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Remember, I'll budget meetings.

869
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,000
And please come out and force your concern.

870
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,000
And being a pastor, I feel like I want to say amen.

871
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,000
You know, Mr. Smith, you should say,

872
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
with us ramling on.

873
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,000
They're missing opportunity to finish homework.

874
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
So that's something to complete there.

875
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Okay.

876
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Okay.

877
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,000
And with that, if I see no other hands raised,

878
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:20,000
I'm going to close this section of the agenda.

879
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
And I'm going to take a brief break.

880
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,000
So people could leave.

881
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
And the next item is going to be a broadband update.

882
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,000
So five ten minute break.

883
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
Thank you.

884
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Thank you.

885
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:44,000
We'll back here with our agenda.

886
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,000
And our next item is a scheduled presentation.

887
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Mr. Steel on broadband update.

888
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,000
This is just going to be a brief presentation.

889
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000
I'm just going to sit where I am.

890
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,000
Trisha's going to be bringing up a picture that was of our special guest

891
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,000
who came to town last week.

892
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:08,000
And we had our four chair and vice chair down the street.

893
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,000
And at Sweet Tooth Cafe and the building is owned by Nambu who's in the picture.

894
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,000
And he does.

895
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:24,000
And he was very gracious to allow open broadband to put their equipment on the building for free,

896
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000
which allowed the main street free Wi-Fi.

897
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:35,000
The woman in the red and black is Judy Roe, who is in charge of broadband for Matthews County.

898
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,000
And she is like, they don't have somebody like me.

899
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,000
She's it as the volunteer.

900
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,000
And just working all the time.

901
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,000
And then that tall gentleman there in the middle,

902
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,000
Senator Warner came to town to talk to us about,

903
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,000
you know, broadband.

904
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,000
And we also heard a lot about Ukraine too, which was very interesting.

905
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,000
And I saw that was in the paper that he did that.

906
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,000
It is other stocks too.

907
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:03,000
So hearing about more money that might be coming down federal dollars.

908
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,000
And that is something I emailed you all about last night that we're watching for.

909
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:12,000
And hoping that we will take open broadband and take it a step further.

910
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:17,000
And keep on going with fiber and things that because technology is never going to stop.

911
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,000
You know, we're going to always need to keep up.

912
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Specifically to the last time that talks to you.

913
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:32,000
I wanted to give you an update that we the open broadband sub-company that's working on the engineering for the four new polls.

914
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,000
That is happening now.

915
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:40,000
So we are hoping to go to the April BZA meeting and see if those polls will get approved.

916
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:54,000
I've sent a letter to the schools into school board explaining that at the presentation to the board that it was recommended with the two and a half million dollars that the board is put into this project.

917
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:01,000
And with a small amount of money that's going to be raised in revenue that the county not divide those proceeds.

918
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,000
So that has gone out.

919
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,000
And then I will be back with you all to talk about the MOA,

920
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,000
the draft of that as soon as we can get the budget.

921
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Priorities are due the budget.

922
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,000
At the same time, lots of equipment has arrived.

923
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:22,000
Things are on schedule with both the ARPA and the body grant.

924
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,000
So very, very pleased with how things are going.

925
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,000
And still getting a whole lot of people calling and wanting to know when.

926
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,000
And it's sooner every day.

927
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,000
Okay.

928
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,000
So I'm glad to answer any questions yet.

929
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Sure.

930
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,000
Any questions from the steel on this topic?

931
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Mr. Chris Cal.

932
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:43,000
Once we get the approval from the BZA, how long did those open broadband think it would take for them to get these new poles installed?

933
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,000
The poles have already been constructed.

934
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:53,000
So it's probably, I mean, they'll have to get the building permit and we're working on zoning and building permits and all that.

935
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000
We won't take long.

936
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:59,000
It'll be more of making sure we have the MOA straight between the two boards.

937
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,000
But there's no time line.

938
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,000
Time line from.

939
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,000
We haven't want to take them to get the poles up.

940
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,000
If we were good to go today.

941
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,000
All permits and hand, MOA's and hand.

942
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000
I'm going to take them to put those poles up.

943
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000
I don't think more than a couple weeks.

944
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,000
Okay.

945
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,000
And then they'll wait.

946
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:22,000
It'll probably take two or three weeks getting the climbers here that do the other bigger poles.

947
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,000
Because there's a repeaters.

948
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,000
Okay.

949
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,000
Any other questions from steel on this?

950
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,000
Okay.

951
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,000
We're going to move on to our regular agenda item.

952
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,000
Item A11A discussion and or decision school boards.

953
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,000
The quest for additional sales tax funding.

954
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,000
Mr. Steel and Dr. Clinton.

955
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Yes.

956
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,000
So at the last meeting we had a discussion.

957
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,000
We had to request from the school board to consider providing the additional 15.5.

958
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:53,000
Approximates funds that will be left unspoken for with the sales tax.

959
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,000
And since that time.

960
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000
And in school board, Dr. Pondons here.

961
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
And the representative.

962
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,000
From Mosley's here, too. They went back and looked at the proposal of all the add-ons, all the add-alternates.

963
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:16,000
And it was determined it was going to be quite expensive to have to draw two different versions.

964
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:23,000
And it also was going to delay construction by having to draw two different versions.

965
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:35,000
So you have a proposal that is in your board packet that you, again, may want to do some tweaking on so that the title and the motions and all that are consistent.

966
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:45,000
But basically, it would not be easy to piecemeal all of the different options.

967
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:54,000
So the school board and the school staff is hoping that the board will go ahead and appropriate or allocate as the resolution says.

968
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:59,000
The balance of funds, nowhere in here does it talk about the total.

969
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:06,000
So that would not be included on any of the scope of the works that go out.

970
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:14,000
And obviously when they determine if it comes within bid because it's so questionable what the how much inflation is going to factor in.

971
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:19,000
But, you know, they can, you will find out notice of when those bids come in.

972
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:25,000
We're on this by the is letting you all know of them, the minute they're there they're open.

973
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,000
So, Dr. Clements is here to answer any questions.

974
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:39,000
So we have some people, why don't you all come up at the same time so that if we have questions we'll be able to ask you directly without you guys having to bounce back and forth.

975
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Yes, first of all, let me say good evening.

976
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:46,000
Dr. Orth Mr. Hudson members of the board. Mr. Wilmont.

977
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:54,000
Mr. Steele was prone and as has been articulated by Mr. Steele.

978
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,000
And we're thankful for the opportunity to be before you again this evening.

979
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:06,000
But we have had additional conversation related to, you know, the next steps work the Glossah High School Project.

980
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,000
And I think we all know that, you know, time is of the essence.

981
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:20,000
And the question keeps occurring consistently and trying to get a viable project that we can put out to bid as quickly as possible is of, I would say,

982
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,000
Prime importance at this point in time.

983
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:29,000
So Mr. Steele and she's been wonderful in terms of having ongoing dialogue with me about all of these things.

984
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:38,000
And again, I always want to take the time to acknowledge that because we've had great conversation about, you know, what's occurring in terms of potential projects for the high school.

985
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:43,000
And she shared with me the resolution that's previously, this currently in your board packet.

986
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:48,000
And we started to take a look at that and we felt that there were some inherent challenges with that.

987
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:54,000
Now, it has some conversation with Mr. Bazaarney. I know there have been some ongoing conversations.

988
01:32:54,000 --> 01:33:06,000
But in terms of trying to maximize the use of funding, long stories show it, I think, trying to work on the construction documents and a complete scope.

989
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:14,000
And then looking at where that comes in and then being able to, I would say,

990
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:23,000
Descope if we needed to is the best way to go in this process.

991
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:31,000
The current way may put us at a disadvantage in terms of time development.

992
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:35,000
Money that would be spent that would have no viable use.

993
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:42,000
And that's one of the biggest concerns because of the way that the project may be going.

994
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:50,000
And so I'm going to have Mr. Records come up and talk a little bit about, you know, what that means, Mr. Halsey is here.

995
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:59,000
And hopefully, you know, what you will see from the request this evening is to give us the flexibility to go ahead and move with the alignment of funds.

996
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,000
Get the construction documents out on the market.

997
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:10,000
Get the prices back and then we can move from there because I think that's going to give us the overall best bang for the buck.

998
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:17,000
And I agree with Mr. Steel, not having the prices in there give us an opportunity to see where things come back.

999
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:24,000
And I think that's the most prudent at this point in time to deal with the potential amount of money that we have.

1000
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:30,000
I mean, you've already seen in some previous documents that we have what inflation can already look like.

1001
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:39,000
And we know with the way that the economy is going, we know with some of the world events that are happening time is critical.

1002
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:45,000
So I'm going to turn it over to my colleagues to give you some additional information.

1003
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:53,000
And hopefully we can, you know, move on from this evening with an approval and your support to be able to get this thing out.

1004
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:58,000
So I did that process so we can get this thing back and see what we're working with.

1005
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:05,000
So we can, you know, we can move forward. So I'm going to stop there and I'm going to turn it over to this point in time to Mr. Records.

1006
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,000
Okay, Mr. Records, good to see.

1007
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Another.

1008
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Thank you, Mr. Records.

1009
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Thank you, Dr. Connis.

1010
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Very nice to see you all as well.

1011
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:30,000
When Dr. Clement shared the resolution that you all have in your board packets, we are really immediately began discussion with our architect and staff at the school system.

1012
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:37,000
Because I was a bit concerned with some potentially unintended consequences that could be a part of that.

1013
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:51,000
I'm going to miss you all. Really hit on them with a broad brush and, you know, for us to, I think in concept, the idea of providing big alternates for our project is a fantastic one.

1014
01:35:51,000 --> 01:36:06,000
It's one that helps us ensure that in the event that we do come in a little over budget for the entirety of the project that we have the ability to potentially cut some of those big alternates out as was done with the transportation center.

1015
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:31,000
As Dr. Clement mentioned, there's additional time and that additional time is approximately two months of time that it takes for our architectural and engineering designers to draw the plans in such a way that we could abide by the information that you have in your board packet.

1016
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:38,000
But we have to draw portions of our 260,000 square foot high school twice.

1017
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:46,000
So not only do we have two months of time and additional design fees associated with moving in that direction.

1018
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:57,000
Really the biggest part is the two months of inflationary pressures that we're going to see while we have delayed this process by going that round.

1019
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:04,000
Using simple, simple math, 12% inflation, 1% a month.

1020
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,000
I mean, we're talking about 600,000 dollars a month.

1021
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:24,000
So in this decision, as I shared with Dr. Clement's and the rest of the staff, is this is potentially a $2 million evaporation of funds for, as we know, the school that every day that we're not putting this project out to do.

1022
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Day that we're not putting this project out to bid, inflation is killing us.

1023
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,000
And we had some documentation that I believe has been shared with the all that over the period of the last year.

1024
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:43,000
We've seen 19.7% inflation for non-residential construction.

1025
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,000
The student housing is here. He can certainly speak to that more.

1026
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:55,000
But we're hopeful that you will allocate the sales tax revenues that are expected to add to the scope of the project so that we can draw these plans.

1027
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,000
Finish drawing these plans one time. Nobody likes to do anything twice.

1028
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:10,000
Save money by getting the project out to bid sooner and us getting this fall rolling because we have a 24 to 30 month schedule.

1029
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:16,000
And with the really unprecedented economic times that we're in right now, you know, the contract.

1030
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:29,000
No one has a crystal ball, but contractors that are bidding work that takes 24 months who knows what type of, you know, cushion, if you will, they may put into their bids to deal with that.

1031
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:38,000
And I guess really one great example, I mean everybody knows that sheet of OSB plywood, the year and a half ago was $7.

1032
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Three weeks ago was $36. I just pulled it up at Home Depot while we were sitting here and sharing with students.

1033
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,000
$59.

1034
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:52,000
So it's getting, it potentially is getting worse.

1035
01:38:52,000 --> 01:39:00,000
And certainly my job here is to manage these projects under budget and deliver them on time.

1036
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:09,000
And I'm hopeful that you all will allocate the project so we can do this in this design the right way.

1037
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,000
Okay.

1038
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,000
Any questions that forward?

1039
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,000
We'd like to ask.

1040
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,000
Mr. Records.

1041
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,000
Dr. Clemsbisteele.

1042
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:34,000
Now, I believe that the resolution, if we want to modify it to deal with the way you're describing, it would be the part, therefore, being resolved right in my correct, that would have to be.

1043
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,000
Right.

1044
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,000
I think if you, if I was like, if I said proposal, I'm going to make sure that.

1045
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,000
Do you have that?

1046
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,000
I did have some.

1047
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Mr. Wilma.

1048
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,000
Well, and I could do it, but I have a concern here.

1049
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:51,000
I don't know whether an allocation is an appropriation.

1050
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,000
And I don't know whether it's the Board of Supervisors intent to appropriate.

1051
01:39:55,000 --> 01:40:00,000
The entire one cent tax for the next 40 years.

1052
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,000
Is it 40 years or 20 years for this or whether you want to allocate it.

1053
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:12,000
The resolution in your packet as you're all aware was based upon the proposition that we would bid out with the alternate.

1054
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:16,000
And then come back and decide how much to fund.

1055
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:20,000
Normally, your appropriation to the school system is done yearly.

1056
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,000
Normally, there's not an appropriation for 20 years.

1057
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:34,000
So although I understand and appreciate the school's desire to have a commitment by the Board of Supervisors to have this funding stream devoted to the

1058
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,000
the Goster High School renovation.

1059
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,000
And that may be absolutely necessary and appropriate.

1060
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000
And that's your prerogative to do that.

1061
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:49,000
I don't want anyone here to be under a false impression of what you're doing or what you're not doing.

1062
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:57,000
So I don't have precise language in part because it should have been done long before now.

1063
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,000
But reality came into play and we weren't able to do that.

1064
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:05,000
But secondly, in order to draft good language, I didn't know what you want.

1065
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:10,000
Do you want to appropriate the next 20 years worth of 1 cent tax?

1066
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:19,000
Or do you want to indicate that it's your intent currently to utilize that and wait for the bids to come in and then decide how much to operate.

1067
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,000
That's my prerogative.

1068
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,000
That's yes.

1069
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,000
Yes.

1070
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,000
So how do we need to change this?

1071
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:39,000
Well, resolution indicate your present intent to, well, and not appropriate the funds for the purpose of going out to bid on this expanded scope of the

1072
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,000
Glot Gloster High School renovation.

1073
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,000
Then you receive the bids and then you decide how much to appropriate.

1074
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,000
Well, they, well, I'm sorry Chris.

1075
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:55,000
So are we with the intent of the school board to get the money?

1076
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,000
All we need to do is an allocation.

1077
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,000
My problem is the word allocated.

1078
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,000
That could be used.

1079
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,000
That could be construed to mean appropriate.

1080
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:04,000
Well, Mr. Wordsmith.

1081
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,000
So what word do we use?

1082
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:13,000
Well, I would resolve to go out to bid on the expanded scope of the high school rent up.

1083
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,000
That's all I would do.

1084
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:20,000
But here's the problem with that as we go out with the extent with the intent.

1085
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:24,000
They draw up the extended plans.

1086
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:30,000
And there's no decision or backing from the board supervisors.

1087
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:49,000
Well, at least, at least I think where this was coming from and at the looking at the decision by the school board is that they wanted some kind of assurance that the other, that the additional $15 million would be theirs.

1088
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,000
And you can do that.

1089
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,000
You could appropriate that song.

1090
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,000
But once you appropriate the song, you can't unappropriate.

1091
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:01,000
But and you feel that allocate is similar to appropriate.

1092
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,000
In some minds, I certainly representing both bodies.

1093
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,000
Wouldn't want there to be down the road.

1094
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,000
Some kind of a disagreement about what was intended.

1095
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:15,000
And you know good and well, the school board board supervisor is not going to have a decision.

1096
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,000
Oh, they always get along with things.

1097
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:18,000
So, goodbye.

1098
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,000
What would you recommend?

1099
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:27,000
Well, that that the board of supervisors supports the expanded scope to go out to bid.

1100
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,000
Period.

1101
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,000
Period.

1102
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,000
Basically, period.

1103
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:35,000
So do we need a resolution or do we need to change the change of resolution?

1104
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,000
Change the resolution to change the resolution.

1105
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:47,000
To change it from a base bids and alternates to support the going out to bid with the expanded scope of the high school reneas.

1106
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:52,000
I don't think you need a dollar amount.

1107
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000
Because you're not appropriating.

1108
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,000
Do you have that word source?

1109
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,000
No, sir.

1110
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:02,000
Would you want to call it a resolution of support instead of a resolution to allocate.

1111
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,000
And then, as you said, like, take the back that was second.

1112
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:11,000
There'd be a, therefore, a result goes off with the board of supervisors.

1113
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,000
And we have another meeting next week.

1114
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,000
Can you wordsmith that for us?

1115
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,000
And we can discard on that.

1116
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,000
I don't want to delay the process.

1117
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,000
Yeah.

1118
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,000
Yeah.

1119
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,000
I would agree.

1120
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:28,000
I think if the majority of the board is in support of going out to bid with the entire project.

1121
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:35,000
Then I would say pass it tonight and just say that, you know, therefore, be a resolve that the Gluster Board of supervisors

1122
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:44,000
supports the Gluster School System in bidding the extended scope for the Gluster High School renovation project.

1123
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:49,000
It goes out to bid and it comes back and then we see how much it is.

1124
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,000
So then you would take out the quantum too.

1125
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,000
Ah, I would, but that's just my opinion.

1126
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,000
Legally legally, which is really what I should limit myself to.

1127
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,000
Yeah.

1128
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,400
So it, you could allocate, you could appropriate, although you generally only appropriate yearly. You don't generally

1129
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:12,800
appropriate 20 years worth of fun. Right. Right. And so that, that was, didn't want anyone to think that was what happened

1130
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:19,000
tonight when we walked out of the room. Schools, I, I, I was the schools I would think you did that. And if I were

1131
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:26,000
somewhere to you, I would think you didn't do that. So I didn't want that. But the resolution itself, specifically

1132
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:33,000
the reference is 15.5 million dollars of additional debt. I see nowhere in here where we, as a board of supervisors,

1133
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:39,000
are committing to the resolution of your packet. Isn't the one I may finish? Yes.

1134
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:49,000
I see nowhere in this resolution that commits us to allocate 105 million the 20 years of anticipated sales tax revenue towards this project.

1135
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:55,000
I'm not sure I understand where you're. Because the resolution in your packet isn't the one they're talking about.

1136
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:04,000
What are we talking about? Well, the resolution, the one that's being proposed is the title, a resolution to allocate schools tax revenue,

1137
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:10,000
which doesn't jive with the body of the one that's in your packet, which talks about a base bid and alternates.

1138
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:20,000
The schools have explained why they can't do that, why that's not feasible. So my point initially was the title of this resolution isn't what,

1139
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:27,000
isn't what, isn't jive doesn't sync with the body of it. I'm now told that the body of it won't work.

1140
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:32,000
It won't work to do a base bid and alternates, which I understand and I appreciate.

1141
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:40,000
But when you have a resolution to allocate schools tax revenue, if the body says that, that could be deemed an appropriation.

1142
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:48,000
And that's my problem. The one as worded it, it's not how long it fixed up Mr. Wilma, how we fix it so that we don't, we're not committed to this.

1143
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,000
I think Mr. Steel had.

1144
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:55,000
Well, you're the attorney, I wouldn't really, I'm sorry, I'm not going to be smart for your ability.

1145
01:46:55,000 --> 01:47:00,000
That was an insult to call me the attorney, so I'm fine.

1146
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:06,000
I'm relying on counselor to tell us what the board should be.

1147
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,000
I can work in that right now.

1148
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,000
Let's do it.

1149
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:15,000
And if I can say one thing, I think that we're all trying to get to the same thing.

1150
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:25,000
What we need is a commitment from you all to allow us to go out and put the documents out in the full scope.

1151
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,000
Yes.

1152
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:33,000
When it comes back, then we'll be able to then determine what that amount is with what the potential funding that we have

1153
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
and then determine how we can proceed.

1154
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:41,000
So I had a meeting for about an hour and a half with the good superintendent, Mr. Records as well,

1155
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:46,000
to make me comfortable with what we're about to do here.

1156
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:54,000
At first I was not comfortable, but Dr. Clemens and Mr. Records made me comfortable.

1157
01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:00,000
I pontificated a little bit. Last time we were here, but I now and convinced that,

1158
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,000
and we still have that risk and we still have the risk that we won't get the revenues.

1159
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:08,000
And I other concern is that if once we determine quantum,

1160
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:12,000
the monthly or the yearly payments will have to make for the renovation,

1161
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:17,000
any additional sales taxes coming in will not go to the school system.

1162
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:23,000
It will be held in the account for any other emergent issues that may come about for the future.

1163
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,000
So let's say we get $6 million a year one year.

1164
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,000
We could put aside a million dollars and pay the initial renovation debt and that's it.

1165
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:33,000
And then set aside the other excess funds for a rainy day.

1166
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:37,000
Which will go to the schools, right? All of it has to go to the schools by law,

1167
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:42,000
but just don't hand it over and say, do what you want with the excess.

1168
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,000
I don't agree to do that.

1169
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,000
So let's just pay the debt, the initial debt associated with the renovation,

1170
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,000
whatever that debt might be, close to whatever it's going to be.

1171
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,000
I don't want to put out numbers because these contractors out there listening to you.

1172
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,000
And I've already had a discussion on that.

1173
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,000
So this was on it yesterday.

1174
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:05,000
We would have no problem coming back and asking you for any excess over what you are thinking about that you were raised.

1175
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,000
I know you would.

1176
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:07,000
I know you would.

1177
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,000
I want you to know that.

1178
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:09,000
So yes.

1179
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,000
We're going to work with you, but okay.

1180
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,000
Believe me, if there's more money to be generated from it and it goes to schools,

1181
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,000
we will come back and ask you for it.

1182
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,000
That's something I'm talking about.

1183
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,000
If the one to check for later, what they words,

1184
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,000
if the one to check for later,

1185
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,000
if the one to check for later,

1186
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,000
if the one to check for later,

1187
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,000
if the one to check for later,

1188
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,000
there.

1189
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,000
No, because let's say we have a shortfall.

1190
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,000
Let's say we have a shortfall in revenues.

1191
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,000
We can use that excess money.

1192
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,000
We put it to make the difference.

1193
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,000
Okay.

1194
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,000
So look, Mr. Where are we in terms of it?

1195
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,000
I mean, they are like in two minutes.

1196
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:41,000
What?

1197
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,000
Two minutes.

1198
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,000
Two minutes.

1199
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,000
Suppose that.

1200
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
Touchable.

1201
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:53,000
What in your mind constitute a major renovation?

1202
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,000
That's a great question.

1203
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:56,000
Mr. Hall.

1204
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:00,000
We just talked about that.

1205
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,000
And there are some specifics in terms of scope of work that.

1206
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,000
Okay, Mr. Hall.

1207
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,000
Yes.

1208
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,000
Come on up, Mr. Hall.

1209
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:14,000
We would classify major renovation just not dealing with just ceilings of lighting.

1210
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:19,000
Not necessarily major renovation will be taking care of finishes.

1211
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,000
Case work that's failed, it's falling apart.

1212
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,000
Door hardware.

1213
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,000
Replacing walls and a fail in terms of finishes.

1214
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,000
Reconfiguring some walls, so it's a better instructional space.

1215
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,000
That's what we would classify as a major renovation.

1216
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,000
Touching almost every surface was in the building.

1217
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,000
So that when the project is completed, that's the building that you have confidence

1218
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,000
that you don't have to read deal with anything.

1219
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,000
Has it in routine maintenance for the next 25 years?

1220
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,000
Okay.

1221
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,000
So.

1222
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,000
Well, Mr. Hall wants to work on that.

1223
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,000
I'm talking about another school.

1224
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,000
What would constitute a major renovation?

1225
01:50:55,000 --> 01:51:00,000
Short of completely remodeling.

1226
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Indeed, same definition.

1227
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:10,000
So based on your answer, an AC unit would not be major renovation.

1228
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:11,000
Yep.

1229
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,000
I'd be placing AC units in the routine maintenance.

1230
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:22,000
So what is the smallest item other than just doors and walls

1231
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:28,000
and case work and everything that would constitute major renovation?

1232
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,000
I know that's an odd.

1233
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,000
It's a question, but I'm just trying to say,

1234
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:38,000
because it's been brought up that if in the event that X was the fails.

1235
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:39,000
Right?

1236
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,000
They are conditioning or something else that we could use those funds there.

1237
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:49,000
So technically there's nothing you could think of other than a remodel of a school

1238
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,000
that would constitute a major renovation based on the,

1239
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:57,000
basically the verbiage of what it says as a major renovation.

1240
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:00,000
You could do a major renovation of a CTE suite.

1241
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,000
You know, if the targeted piece within a building,

1242
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,000
I mean, you can certainly do.

1243
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:09,000
We do major renovations of administrations all the time where we were trying to reconfigure

1244
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,000
so that we get the sequence into the building.

1245
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,000
Like it needs to be in terms of security.

1246
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,000
So we might take two classrooms.

1247
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:22,000
We're starting a project now in a locality where we're going to be doing that.

1248
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:25,000
The existing administration is in board of the building,

1249
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:28,000
not unlike it is cost for high school.

1250
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:32,000
So we're going to move that administration to take up two classrooms

1251
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,000
and kind of do a room swap within the building.

1252
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,000
That space where it will be common at the new administration

1253
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,000
would be at major renovation of that space.

1254
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,000
And we might not be doing as much.

1255
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,000
Okay.

1256
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:55,000
We've just gone through the last year of a verbiage issue

1257
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,000
where we had a difference of opinion on verbiage.

1258
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:04,000
And I think of what you just said as a remodel versus a major renovation.

1259
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:09,000
You're saying a major renovation of an area.

1260
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:14,000
But I'm just sitting there thinking if it's a major renovation,

1261
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:20,000
it would have to be x% of a building for it to be a major renovation.

1262
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:27,000
Versus not just a renovation of a certain area.

1263
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,000
So that was still the place.

1264
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:30,000
Yes.

1265
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,000
So that's why I'm trying to figure out.

1266
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:37,000
There's not really any definite industry definitions of what that is.

1267
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,000
But if you realize, I'm sure you've been following what we've experienced

1268
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,000
last year.

1269
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:46,000
There wasn't any true guidance and it was basically what somebody felt

1270
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,000
verbiage was versus somebody else.

1271
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,000
Sure.

1272
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:54,000
And so I look at it and I'd ask Dr. Clemens.

1273
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:59,000
What would constitute a major renovation?

1274
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,000
And if it's setting here.

1275
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:06,000
If the school board were to come to me or come to us and say,

1276
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:11,000
but we want to do remodel these two classrooms.

1277
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:14,000
I would look at them and say, no, that's not going to be a major renovation.

1278
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:18,000
Even if you think it's a, because it's a major renovation of that section.

1279
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,000
Right.

1280
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,000
So are we making a major renovation to the high school?

1281
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:22,000
Yes.

1282
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,000
Yes.

1283
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,000
Yes.

1284
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,000
But yeah.

1285
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,000
It might be like that.

1286
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:27,000
The high school of the gymnasium.

1287
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,000
Yeah.

1288
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,000
They turned it to a center.

1289
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:30,000
Yeah.

1290
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,000
That's a library.

1291
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:32,000
It's a gymnasium turning to library.

1292
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,000
Well, sort of the, I don't know what they call the buzz.

1293
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,000
Kind of a cool set.

1294
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,000
Yeah.

1295
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:41,000
But I guess my point of the remaining ex amount of dollars, whatever it is,

1296
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:47,000
that we may get over the 15 million or 16 million, whatever it is.

1297
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,000
What would we be able to do with a major renovation?

1298
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,000
What would we be able to use that money for?

1299
01:54:54,000 --> 01:55:01,000
I don't see what we'd be able to use it for other than a major renovation.

1300
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
Right.

1301
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:11,000
I guess, you know, so we've, we've, we've heard it around here about air conditions or whatever else we might do.

1302
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,000
But I don't think that would qualify.

1303
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,000
You just said it.

1304
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
So you don't think it would be.

1305
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,000
So that's what I was getting that.

1306
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:22,000
And I know it was around about and waiting for Ted to finish.

1307
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,000
Right.

1308
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,000
That's what we got.

1309
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,000
Yeah.

1310
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:30,000
So you don't really other than a major renovation to do it.

1311
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:36,000
So really there wouldn't be a lot we could do in the county with the ex present and present.

1312
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:40,000
There are CIPs that fall into that category.

1313
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Such it.

1314
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:45,000
Because it's new construction or renovation.

1315
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,000
So the athletic complex.

1316
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:51,000
That could potentially be as well as the body top.

1317
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,000
The 1973 wing.

1318
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,000
I would imagine that would be a major renovation.

1319
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,000
There we go.

1320
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,000
Okay.

1321
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,000
Okay.

1322
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,000
Yes.

1323
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,000
Yeah.

1324
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:02,000
Tell us what you agree.

1325
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,000
I thought about the question in the past.

1326
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:14,000
And I was thinking more along the lines of some threshold financial outlay for a project to constitute a major renovation.

1327
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:17,000
But as, as the gentleman's indicated, there's not indicated.

1328
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:25,000
There's no legal definition unfortunately of what constitutes a major renovation or new construction.

1329
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,000
But I was well.

1330
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,000
Yeah.

1331
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,000
I think I.

1332
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,000
Okay.

1333
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Don't go there.

1334
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,000
Don't go there.

1335
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,000
Don't go there.

1336
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,000
But I was thinking to $500,000.

1337
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,000
What?

1338
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,000
There's no.

1339
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000
There's no.

1340
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,000
There's no.

1341
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,000
Okay.

1342
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,000
Let's see if I can go in on you construction.

1343
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:55,000
Is there any definition other than a ground up foundation up construction that would fit?

1344
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,000
And you construction?

1345
01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:01,000
There's something less that would fit you construction?

1346
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,000
I think it could be sidewalk.

1347
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,000
I mean, I'd add.

1348
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:08,000
Your athletic fields at your school specific.

1349
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,000
Adding a bus loop to a.

1350
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,000
To a school facility that doesn't have a bus loop adding a parking lot.

1351
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:15,000
That doesn't that is needed.

1352
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,000
That's that's new school related construction.

1353
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:24,000
That's specific to the school, but it's not necessarily building three-dimensional related.

1354
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:28,000
I guess what I'm getting at is.

1355
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:32,000
These things sort of come together to me in my brain.

1356
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,000
And it's like.

1357
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:39,000
I think about a new high school obviously that's new construction.

1358
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:45,000
But to me if you're going to add a wing.

1359
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:47,000
That's new construction.

1360
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,000
Absolutely.

1361
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,000
Yeah.

1362
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,000
Absolutely.

1363
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,000
So I guess I have trouble bringing it down.

1364
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:58,000
If what point are we talking new construction and what point are we talking major innovation?

1365
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,000
My problem, not sure.

1366
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:01,000
Sure.

1367
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:05,000
My definition of renovation would be augmenting that existing structure.

1368
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,000
New construction would be starting from the ground up.

1369
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:12,000
Adding another wing augmenting our building a new sports facility.

1370
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,000
Putting in a new parking lot.

1371
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,000
That's I would consider that new construction not a renovation.

1372
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,000
Like default high schools do.

1373
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,000
But since the law was written so ambiguously.

1374
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:25,000
Not in terms and in terms of again I'll pose the question.

1375
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:28,000
I'll pose the question again because we have time here.

1376
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:37,000
Let's say we decide to pay for the first six months of the renovation with general fund dollars.

1377
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,000
First six months.

1378
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:43,000
And on month seven we decided to use the one sense sales tax revenue to make the seventh payment.

1379
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:47,000
Is that considered old debt or new debt?

1380
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:49,000
The law is not clear on that.

1381
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:52,000
And I've asked several attorneys and they say it's not clear.

1382
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,000
Some of the attorneys that work on the board supervisor in your county told me it's not clear.

1383
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:00,000
Because you don't know when the clock tells.

1384
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,000
Which is why we made the five of us made the decisions that we did.

1385
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,000
And you can interpret it both ways.

1386
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,000
Our and steam counselor doesn't agree.

1387
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:15,000
But we did we want that because we thought what we did was legal based on our recommendations made by our bond council.

1388
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,000
Which we relied on.

1389
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,000
So when is that seventh month?

1390
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,000
Is that seventh month old debt now?

1391
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:25,000
Or is it new debt?

1392
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:29,000
That's the question we had to ponder.

1393
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,000
Let's move on with this.

1394
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,000
But we appreciate.

1395
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:34,000
Okay.

1396
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:35,000
Mr. Well, what do you have for us?

1397
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:40,000
So rather than calling in a resolution to allocate school sales tax revenue.

1398
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:44,000
What I have proposed or it's a possibility.

1399
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:51,000
Is a resolution in support of going out to bid on an expanded scope for Gloster high school renovation.

1400
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,000
So that's the title of the resolution.

1401
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:59,000
A resolution in support of going out to bid on an expanded scope for Gloster high school renovations.

1402
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:00,000
.

1403
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,680
The first two were as paragraphs remain the same, which basically tell the story of the one-cent sales tax, and that it's estimated to be beginning of the third were as paragraph would remain the same, estimated to generate 15.5 million additional debt capacity for new construction and major renovation for school projects. So that would remain the same, the third were as paragraph would remain the same. So fourth were as paragraph is where it would change slightly. The beginning would be the same. Whereas on February 15, 2022,

1404
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:45,000
the GCPS superintendent on behalf of the school board requested that the estimated 15.5 million additional debt capacity be used to supplement the Gloucester High School Major Renovation Project and here's why I've added language.

1405
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:58,000
To fund price increases for the originally proposed scope of the project, comma, and to fund an expanded scope of that project.

1406
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:02,000
So that's the extent of the changes to the title and the whereas paragraph.

1407
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:14,000
So it's to fund price increases for the originally proposed scope of the project, comma, and to fund an expanded scope of that project.

1408
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:18,000
So that's the extent of the changes to the title and the whereas paragraph.

1409
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:23,000
Potential price increases. We don't know if you're saying an affirmative that we're going to have price increases.

1410
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:35,000
The later school's came to the board, came to the board and asked for an allocation of this 15.5 in projected one cent sales tax, the attributed to two causes.

1411
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:44,000
One was the additional inflated costs of the original proposal and the other was they wanted to expand the scope of that project.

1412
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:52,000
So that's what this the my intent of changing this whereas paragraph is that we recognize the board of supervisors recognizes that the desire of the school system.

1413
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:59,680
the school system is to go out to bid for an expanded scope, but also to co-increase prices

1414
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:03,280
of the original scope. So that's what I tried to do with that wordsmith.

1415
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,720
But we don't know what the bids are going to come in.

1416
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:09,280
Why don't we say potential price increases?

1417
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:19,040
Well, because they, well, I'm taking it on as fact and on faith that there are prices, a piece of wood

1418
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:26,720
costs, like gold. It, it, they're price increases, but you could say potential price

1419
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:32,720
increase. Well, that's. Then, and now, therefore, be it resolved by the, by the Board of Supervisors.

1420
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:46,960
By the, that the Board of Supervisors supports the Gloucester High School major renovation.

1421
02:02:49,040 --> 02:03:00,560
Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Board of Supervisors, that the Gloucester High School major renovation

1422
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:07,520
project be bid in expanded scope as proposed by the Gloucester County School Board.

1423
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:11,040
And, can you go up to the last word as?

1424
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:20,640
Yes. And, closing that, undo burden. Oh, yes. It's not undo-y burden, undo burden.

1425
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:32,480
So, it's now therefore, be it resolved by the Board of Supervisors, that the, that the Gloucester High School

1426
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:39,360
major renovation project be bid in expanded scope, well, that it supports that the Gloucester County

1427
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:46,320
Gloucester High School major renovation project be bid in expanded scope as proposed by GCP.

1428
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:51,040
My, my issue with that, though, is why do we need to call it an expanded scope? Why don't we just call it the scope?

1429
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:58,880
Well, because there was an original proposal that, but that goes away with this. We're ignoring the alterations.

1430
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:03,040
We're ignoring the addition. We want the additions to be partly scope, right?

1431
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:09,120
And that was the intent of the wordsmithing. But, but you're calling it additional. What did you call it?

1432
02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:14,400
You call it an expanded scope? I call it an expanded scope. But, implies that there's two costs, there's two going to be two.

1433
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:19,280
Two bills we're going to get from these guys. No, but in the, in our February 15th meeting,

1434
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:25,120
the reason we want the expanded scope is because they had the regular, what we would originally propose.

1435
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:31,600
Correct. And then the secondary expanded scope. So, I think it's perfect the way that it is because

1436
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:37,280
and I just had it pulled up. There was two different colors where the original had gone from, I think, the original,

1437
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:46,320
estimate when I don't remember if it was 15 or 19, starting at like $38 million, that original $38 million project

1438
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:52,960
has now ballooned to $54 million just on inflation and time since since we had that initial discussion.

1439
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:59,600
So, that's why they're, they're, they're, they're saying the, the expanded scope, but I think it makes total sense.

1440
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,800
But again, if you, let me just, again, if you call it, what, it would not hurt just to call this

1441
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:12,720
base scope, which would include, we won't call it additional scope. We just don't use that phrase.

1442
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:19,440
That's going to change the pricing structure of your contract. It is. Let's, let's make it, okay.

1443
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,280
I did this for a living. What he's proposing is going to, it's going to, it's going to create

1444
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:26,000
by the contract two different prices.

1445
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:36,400
It is changing, I'm sorry, it's changing the scope because you have, and it's all been documented,

1446
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:43,040
what that scope was agreed upon. And now it's going to be more items on that list. And if you don't,

1447
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:48,320
let's just put those more items in, call it the base bid scope.

1448
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:56,000
And if you can't, let's say the board has changed the scope or as a, but I, I think you're getting

1449
02:05:56,000 --> 02:06:01,440
treading on, you know, placing it down on the scope. So, what, what, from your experience, what?

1450
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:08,800
You don't have to pass any resolution. You just go out to bed. Okay. You could do that. If you want,

1451
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:16,080
this would just, in my mind, just in my opinion, would clarify and recognize that there was an original

1452
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:23,840
tentatively agreed upon scope for the project, which was significantly less and that at the last meeting,

1453
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:28,640
or two meetings ago, the school system came to the board and said, look, that's not going to work for two

1454
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:35,440
reasons. One is because of inflation and the additional costs associated with the scope of the original project.

1455
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:41,440
And secondly, we want to add some items to this project. We want to do, to make, because it's cost effective to do it now,

1456
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:48,960
rather than piecemeal. We want to do it all at once. So, that adds a significant additional cost.

1457
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:56,080
So, I think the price increases were like 7 million and the additional scope was like 8 million. And so,

1458
02:06:56,080 --> 02:07:01,920
we're total about 15 million dollars. So, what I'm trying to do is recognize they came to the board of supervisors

1459
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:07,920
with that, with that presentation and you recognize it. And you support going out to bid,

1460
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:16,880
it recognize the inflated costs and putting in the bid those additional scoped, expanded scope of the project

1461
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:25,280
and get solicited bids for that, without actually appropriating or allocating funds to tie your hands to fund whatever

1462
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:31,040
bids you get. But having said all that, if you don't want to pass a resolution, you don't have to, and you just go out to bid.

1463
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:39,040
It's not, I'd like to make the motion for the resolution that Mr. Wilma just presented to us.

1464
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:47,360
Second, further discussion. Any questions? I'll see you this. So, Ms. Crowley, I see what is.

1465
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:51,040
I apologize. I'm normally jumping. I just wanted to clarify with Mr. Wilma,

1466
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:56,720
if I could, where we made a change as he, after the fourth whereas the fifth whereas,

1467
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:02,160
where there are any changes as that staying in as it is. Yes. And then the sixth whereas

1468
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:07,920
changing. I'm doing the undo. Yes. And then I'll try one more time on the now there for four

1469
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:16,400
be a result. Now, therefore, be a result that the board of supervisors, by the five the board of supervisors,

1470
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:26,240
that it supports, let's try again. I can repeat what I tried to get from you.

1471
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:32,640
That the board of supervisors supports that the Gloucester High School Major Renovation Project

1472
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:38,640
be bid and expanded scope as proposed by the GCPS. Is that what you've had?

1473
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:47,240
That was good. Are you changing it slightly? That the board of supervisors supports that the Gloucester

1474
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:53,360
High School Major Renovation Project be bid and expanded scope as proposed by the Gloucester County

1475
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,760
School Board, that means you got a place to raise.

1476
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:08,480
So this doesn't suggest any kind of allocation then it could be construed as an allocation

1477
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:15,280
by some entity. It's not an allocation or an appropriation, it does express your support of them going out

1478
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:26,000
to bid. So at some level it expresses the board support that you intend to fund a major high school renovation

1479
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:30,640
project without tying your hands as to the specific amount. So what's the impact of the

1480
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:35,600
whereas it contains the 15.5 million. That commits us to give them. No, it doesn't. It does not.

1481
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:40,080
And remember, whereas paragraphs just tell a story, whereas paragraphs never put your hands.

1482
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:53,600
Okay. Okay. So you still pull the board please. Mr. Smith. Yes. Dr. Ors. Mr. Hudson. Yes. Mr. Hadrock. Yes. Mr. Bezani. Mr. Gibson. Yes. Mr. Chris Cap.

1483
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:59,840
Okay. Mr. Sherry's unanimous. Okay. Well, guys, don't go away because now we have to end up with the

1484
02:10:00,080 --> 02:10:07,200
of the school item. I don't think so. No. Yes. I would go. Or just to men chapter 18 to complete that section 1814,

1485
02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:11,760
use the video monitoring systems to enforce the law against passing stops, school buses.

1486
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:19,360
Well, you're earning your salary. They missed too much. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The materials

1487
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:26,720
associated with this matter start on page 139 of your agenda packet. The school system came to me

1488
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:32,880
conjunction with the sheriff with a proposal to have the board consider an ordinance,

1489
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:42,560
which would not assess a $250 penalty on stopped school bus red light violators, but it would

1490
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:53,920
direct that to the schools to allow them to contract with the private entity to outfit the school buses

1491
02:10:53,920 --> 02:11:02,000
with cameras and to work in conjunction with that outside entity to monitor school bus red light

1492
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:11,680
violators and to work with the school system in finding those or summonsing those and the sheriff's

1493
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:20,880
office to have the $250 penalty. Currently, there is under state law a $250 civil penalty,

1494
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:27,360
which can be assessed against stop school bus red light violators. But if it's charged under the state code,

1495
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:32,160
that money goes to the state. It doesn't go to the locality. It doesn't go to the county,

1496
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:37,680
and it doesn't go to the school system. It's possible that some of these charges have been charged under

1497
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:43,600
the county code historically. I doubt it. And I don't know how many charges there have been because it's

1498
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:51,440
very difficult to catch a stopped school bus red light violator. If you don't have this mechanism

1499
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:58,720
to find out who's violating that law, and if you can't know who the person is, you're not typically

1500
02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:04,640
going to have a deputy or a sheriff on site who's going to be able to identify the vehicle right down the

1501
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:12,240
license plate and charge the violator. So this would allow the school system if you pass this ordinance

1502
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:17,280
and it's not required. It's enabled. It's not required. It would enable the school system to

1503
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:23,360
outfit its buses or as many of the buses as the school system wants to outfit the buses with cameras

1504
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:29,360
and to contract with the outside entity to help them do that and help them monitor the situation.

1505
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:37,920
Now if the violators are caught on camera, they will be issued summonses and they'll be directed to pay

1506
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:43,680
$250. Now they will be given an opportunity pursuant to the state code section which is in your

1507
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:53,760
packet to contest the violation. If they do so in a timely period of time and they can satisfy

1508
02:12:54,720 --> 02:13:00,640
that they weren't the driver or they weren't responsible, then they would be relieved of the civil penalty.

1509
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:06,880
If they don't contest the violation or they don't contest it successfully, then they're compelled to pay

1510
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:16,000
the $250. Mr. Hedrick, I think had a question about the administrative fee. The way the

1511
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:22,480
ordinance is worded is that the $250 civil penalty would come to the county. It would be made payable

1512
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:30,000
to the foster county treasure. The county would then take out any costs that it had incurred in the program

1513
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:36,160
which I really don't think there will be any for the county proper. And then the excess of whatever

1514
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:41,360
that is would go to the school system to help them defray the cost and expenses associated with

1515
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:46,000
this program. And if they had any surplus, they could use it for whatever purpose they would like.

1516
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:51,120
Don't know whether there would be any surplus. In fact, I'm not even sure it's going to be a self-sustaining

1517
02:13:51,120 --> 02:14:00,480
proposition. It included in your packet was not a bid but an estimate associated with one company's assisting

1518
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:07,200
the school system. And I think it was on the magnitude of $12,000 a month which is a lot of money.

1519
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:15,520
In fact, it equates to $48 times $250. So I think it would in order for them to net to make it even.

1520
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:24,400
They'd have to have 48 summons is paid and I don't know whether that's feasible. But the goal here,

1521
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:30,640
I think, probably everyone agrees with. And that is that we have to keep people from running the

1522
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:36,640
stop school bus red lights and keep people from getting injured. Mr. Hedrick had some questions at the last

1523
02:14:36,640 --> 02:14:42,960
meeting dealing with well how many violators have we had and have there been injuries, et cetera, et cetera.

1524
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:49,360
I think that I forwarded to each of you answers when I thought to be answers to those questions which I got

1525
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:55,360
graciously from the Sheriff's Office and from the schools. So I hope that answered those questions.

1526
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:57,920
There was also a question about the administrative fee.

1527
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,000
State statute talks about the administrative fee. It was not necessary to put that in your ordinance. But the state statute allows that if the, if the school system contracts with an outside vendor to assist in this process, if the civil penalty is not contested or paid within a 30 days, which is the amount of time they have from the date the summons is mailed, then a administrative fee can be added to the cost of that civil penalty. So over above the $250.

1528
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:43,000
And that the administrative fee can be up to $100. If the civil penalty is paid after 30 days, but before 60 days, then that administrative fee is limited to $25.

1529
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:57,000
So there's no administrative fee the way I read the code and that some might disagree, but I haven't talked to anyone else. The way I read the code is there's no administrative fee associated with a civil penalty that's paid within the 30 days.

1530
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:09,000
On the red light, which you shouldn't do, but if you do and you charge the civil penalty, you pay the $250 within 30 days of the summons being mailed, you don't owe an administrative fee.

1531
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:22,000
If you don't pay it and don't contest it successfully, and you pay it within the 30 to 60 days, then you can be assessed up to a $25 administrative fee and above the $250.

1532
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:31,000
If you wait until after the 60 days, you can be assessed up to $100 an additional administrative fee.

1533
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:41,000
And I think the intent of that is to allow the school system to contract with this entity to help collect the civil fees.

1534
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:51,000
And I also, obviously, incentive to pay your civil penalty on time, because you don't want it risk having to pay an extra $100.

1535
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:53,000
Mr. Hedry.

1536
02:16:53,000 --> 02:17:01,000
Who gets the $100? The school system or the contract with?

1537
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:08,000
It's going to probably work as a pass through from the school system to the contract.

1538
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,000
So.

1539
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,000
Yeah, go ahead, because I see.

1540
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,000
So Mr. Hedry.

1541
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,000
Thank you.

1542
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:20,000
There's diminishing returns here gentlemen.

1543
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:24,000
You run the red light once.

1544
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:26,000
Probably not going to do it again.

1545
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:30,000
So to say that we're going to get we need 50 convictions.

1546
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:33,000
And I don't think you're going to get 100% 50 convictions.

1547
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:37,000
I think what was the percentage of convictions out of the number of summons that they got?

1548
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:41,000
I think we're talking to different things.

1549
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:44,000
There's no conviction so far because you don't whatever whatever.

1550
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:45,000
Okay.

1551
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:46,000
Okay.

1552
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:51,000
There's 2% of the violators on average that even contest the civil penalty.

1553
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:52,000
Okay.

1554
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:55,000
And I have Mr. Decker with me and Mr. Hartley.

1555
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,000
We've been working on this for some time.

1556
02:17:57,000 --> 02:18:00,000
And.

1557
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:04,000
Your predecessor started this program or.

1558
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000
Intertain the idea of many years ago.

1559
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:09,000
And and at the end of the day we've got a problem here.

1560
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:12,000
And I appreciate and understand your questions.

1561
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,000
No thank God we haven't had a fatality related this.

1562
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:17,000
But I'm telling you we've had a lot of close calls.

1563
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,000
And I don't have enough deputies to follow school buses every day.

1564
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,000
I don't have a the same amount of deputies.

1565
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:25,000
We have school bus number one.

1566
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:29,000
But but getting back to to where we're going.

1567
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:31,000
I'll.

1568
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:36,000
I apologize that it doesn't appear that any of you and possibly Mr.

1569
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:38,000
Wellma has not been.

1570
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:43,000
Has not received a copy of the proposed contract.

1571
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:49,000
Mr. Bosnian I had a conversation and I just want to read to you a piece of the contract that I pulled out.

1572
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:52,000
Sorry to interrupt but it was that name of the company.

1573
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,000
Bus patrol.

1574
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:55,000
But it said confidential.

1575
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:57,000
That's why that's fine.

1576
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:01,000
At the end of the day.

1577
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:06,000
They the outside vendor assumes a hundred percent of the risk.

1578
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:10,000
If if they do not receive the amount of money.

1579
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:14,000
That they need to cover their cost.

1580
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,000
They at the end of it they right off.

1581
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:20,000
Okay so why can't we see Mr. Wilma why can't we see the pocket copy.

1582
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:23,000
I don't want to end up with a waste management contract where we get.

1583
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:27,000
You know they get one hundred percent of we get one hundred percent of the risk and they don't.

1584
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:34,000
Well I put the cost sheet in there of twelve thousand I didn't put the contract in it because it says it was confidential.

1585
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:35,000
Well.

1586
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:42,000
But okay so it's confidential but don't we have a right to see it.

1587
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:44,000
We're we're the one spending the money here.

1588
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:52,000
Well I certainly we can ask them for permission to to share that with you.

1589
02:19:52,000 --> 02:20:00,000
I want to see if there's a my new clause in there that says hey guess what if we don't make the revenues we intended to make then we're coming back after you guys.

1590
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,000
Well did the contract.

1591
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,000
You read the contract.

1592
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:05,000
Yeah I've seen the contract.

1593
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:06,000
You've seen it.

1594
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:10,000
But the risk the board supervisors wouldn't incur risk.

1595
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:13,000
Any risk that would be incurred would be the school division.

1596
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:19,000
Well if the school division incurs a risk then they come back to us for additional funding right so there's the risk comes back to us again.

1597
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,000
It just goes full circle.

1598
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:27,000
It could you could repeal the ordinance and and take down the cameras.

1599
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:28,000
You could.

1600
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000
I don't know it's up to you.

1601
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:36,000
We've got him there's an out you know for either side with proper notice given.

1602
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:41,000
But but the way the system works is.

1603
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,000
They do all the work.

1604
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,000
They come in and provide the training.

1605
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,000
They install all the equipment.

1606
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:49,000
They train the school bus drivers.

1607
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:59,000
You know the MOU contains things like hey you got to have them on the school buses so that they have an opportunity to get their revenue.

1608
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:01,000
Law enforcement has to be involved.

1609
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:04,000
Our only involvement is essentially.

1610
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:06,000
They'll send it to us.

1611
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:10,000
Data videos weekly and they don't decide what's a violation.

1612
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:13,000
They say okay here's here's.

1613
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:14,000
50.

1614
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,000
Potential violations.

1615
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:19,000
And then we're going to designate if this.

1616
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:23,000
Pass is we're going to designate our school resource officers to review this video.

1617
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:24,000
It takes 30 seconds.

1618
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,000
They've got it down to us.

1619
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,000
It takes 30 seconds to look and say yes it's a violation or it's not.

1620
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:34,000
Would it be prudent to have this contractor come explain this system to us and and.

1621
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,000
To not to explain how it works.

1622
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:38,000
That's.

1623
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:41,000
Oh because it's a school it's a school project.

1624
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:45,000
And Mr. Chair I was going to ask I'm sure if I think you said this is.

1625
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:51,000
You know any of you all could answer this but this company is employed or used in our neighboring localities.

1626
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:53,000
I mean I think that.

1627
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:57,000
So we're not like the first ones on the bus no pun intended.

1628
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:58,000
This has been.

1629
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:59,000
I won't run.

1630
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:00,000
Let me share that because.

1631
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:01,000
But when I started hearing.

1632
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:02,000
Okay.

1633
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:03,000
Do it.

1634
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:04,000
Please do.

1635
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:06,000
I said I need to know.

1636
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,000
Who.

1637
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:10,000
You know where you hear what we don't send me to.

1638
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,000
I'm talking to where.

1639
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:14,000
So I go to.

1640
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,000
A meeting.

1641
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:17,000
Sean Donner's chief place.

1642
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:18,000
And I was burned.

1643
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,000
As somebody said they're on the things.

1644
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:21,000
I said.

1645
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:22,000
I thought James city would have.

1646
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,000
I said no.

1647
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:24,000
We have.

1648
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:25,000
The first week.

1649
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,000
They had 80 violations.

1650
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:28,000
The first week.

1651
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,000
Hmm.

1652
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:32,000
And I understand the concern.

1653
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:33,000
But the concern.

1654
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:35,000
What's all of our problem.

1655
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:37,000
I don't know.

1656
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:39,000
If the concern is.

1657
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,000
Hey, you might do it once.

1658
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:43,000
You got to understand.

1659
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:44,000
We.

1660
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,000
We have people.

1661
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:46,000
Oh, they long.

1662
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:47,000
They get multiple spades.

1663
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:48,000
You know.

1664
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:49,000
You know.

1665
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,000
You.

1666
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,000
You.

1667
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:52,000
You.

1668
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:53,000
You.

1669
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:54,000
You.

1670
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:55,000
You.

1671
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:56,000
Yes.

1672
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:57,000
Um.

1673
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:58,000
I like to thank the sheriff for being here.

1674
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,000
Um.

1675
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:01,000
Mr. Hartley for for coming up with him.

1676
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:03,000
I'd like to make the motion that.

1677
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:08,000
To on for the ordinance to amend chapter 18 that is on page 140 of our package.

1678
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,000
Second.

1679
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:10,000
Any further discussion.

1680
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:11,000
No.

1681
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:13,000
See any further discussion.

1682
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:14,000
Miss.

1683
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:15,000
Still pull the board please.

1684
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:16,000
Doctor.

1685
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:17,000
Yes.

1686
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:18,000
Mr. Hudson.

1687
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:19,000
Yes.

1688
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:20,000
Mr. Hadrick.

1689
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:21,000
Yes.

1690
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,000
Mr. Bezani.

1691
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:23,000
Mr. Gibson.

1692
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:24,000
Yes.

1693
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,000
Mr. Crisca.

1694
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:26,000
Yes.

1695
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:27,000
Yes.

1696
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:28,000
Motion.

1697
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:29,000
Okay.

1698
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:30,000
I can see.

1699
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:31,000
Ordnance to been.

1700
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:33,000
Water County Code section.

1701
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:34,000
Two dot.

1702
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:35,000
Five.

1703
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:36,000
Dash.

1704
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:37,000
One.

1705
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:38,000
Come.

1706
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:39,000
Thank you.

1707
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:40,000
Mr. Chair.

1708
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:41,000
Okay, guys.

1709
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:44,000
Let's keep this moving.

1710
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:46,000
As you will recall.

1711
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:49,000
Relatively recently there was a.

1712
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:50,000
A.

1713
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:52,000
A. A. Two.

1714
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,000
Resident who expressed a concern about.

1715
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,000
An individual who would utilize this.

1716
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:57,000
Quirt House.

1717
02:23:57,000 --> 02:24:00,000
In. In presenting his own message.

1718
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:02,000
And. The. Potential that that message may have been confused as being represented to be.

1719
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:06,000
By someone other just than just the individual.

1720
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:15,000
He.

1721
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:18,000
The. The constituents. The components.

1722
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:25,620
United Gloucester County Code Section 2.5-1, which generally prohibits the non-governmental

1723
02:24:25,620 --> 02:24:33,500
utilization of the county seal, which is the beehive, basically, without express permission

1724
02:24:33,500 --> 02:24:34,940
of the Commissioner of Major League Baseball.

1725
02:24:34,940 --> 02:24:39,500
No, of the Board of Supervisors.

1726
02:24:39,500 --> 02:24:47,220
He talked to me, the complainant about it, and part of my response was, well, unfortunately

1727
02:24:47,220 --> 02:24:57,320
because of a relatively recent case out of the federal court in Virginia, we're not allowed

1728
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:06,220
to enforce that prohibition if we take that court's decision in Rothamel as being gospel.

1729
02:25:06,220 --> 02:25:13,420
The ordinance at issue in Rothamel was the Fruvant County ordinance, which basically was almost

1730
02:25:13,420 --> 02:25:22,840
word for word, the same prohibition as is currently in Gostric County Code Section 2.5-1.

1731
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:28,560
The Court in Rothamel held that that ordinance was unconstitutionally, it was violative

1732
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:35,800
of an individual's first amendment rights of expression, it wasn't specific enough.

1733
02:25:35,800 --> 02:25:42,800
And one of the things the Court did in Rothamel was differentiated, the federal statutory language,

1734
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:47,620
prohibiting utilization without permission of the federal seal, the presidential seal,

1735
02:25:47,620 --> 02:25:53,920
and those kinds of seal, and said that that language may be okay as a prohibition.

1736
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:59,180
But the Fruvant County ordinance, which prohibited use of the Fruvant County seal without

1737
02:25:59,180 --> 02:26:04,460
the express permission of the Fruvant Board of Supervisors, was not Constitution, it was

1738
02:26:04,460 --> 02:26:06,860
a violative of the first amendment.

1739
02:26:06,860 --> 02:26:12,540
So in light of that, my response to the complaining constituent was, I'm not sure that this

1740
02:26:12,540 --> 02:26:18,840
other citizen and his message violated the Code as written.

1741
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:25,600
But even if I did think it violated the Code as written, we would not be able to enforce that prohibition

1742
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:30,640
because of that court's decision that it violated the individuals' first amendment rights.

1743
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:38,440
So what I did was in response to this, it wouldn't go away.

1744
02:26:38,440 --> 02:26:45,220
My initial inclination Mr. Bazani was to do nothing, which is always the easiest thing to do

1745
02:26:45,220 --> 02:26:53,340
is to just say the reason why I didn't want to have the section repealed or totally done away with was,

1746
02:26:53,340 --> 02:26:58,500
I thought it was a good thing to generally discourage utilization of the County seal without

1747
02:26:58,500 --> 02:27:00,500
the County's permission.

1748
02:27:00,500 --> 02:27:06,140
I thought that was generally a good thing and so I didn't necessarily have a problem with keeping

1749
02:27:06,140 --> 02:27:13,140
the wording as is, just to be a general deterrent about trying to falsely convey that you

1750
02:27:13,140 --> 02:27:17,320
are, you have the term to be a glossary County Board of Supervisors.

1751
02:27:17,320 --> 02:27:23,440
But reading Roth and Mel carefully on page 11 of that decision, they differentiated the federal

1752
02:27:23,440 --> 02:27:30,120
statutory prohibition in language from the language that issued in glossary in Fruvant.

1753
02:27:30,120 --> 02:27:34,720
So if the court's going to take pains to differentiate that, to me, that indicates that

1754
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:40,580
the court would probably bless the federal language as being constitution.

1755
02:27:40,580 --> 02:27:46,220
I think I shared with you a copy of the federal statute and that's where the language I tried

1756
02:27:46,220 --> 02:27:49,380
to basically plagiarize and lift from.

1757
02:27:49,380 --> 02:27:52,420
Don't think the court in Roth and Mel would have a problem with that.

1758
02:27:52,420 --> 02:27:58,340
That statutory language in 42 USC, whatever the code section is, has not been the subject of

1759
02:27:58,340 --> 02:28:00,340
constitutional attack.

1760
02:28:00,420 --> 02:28:10,240
Now, in 13 years, I have not prosecuted a single case of violating to .5-1 prohibition against

1761
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:12,240
utilization of the county seal.

1762
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:16,940
I probably wouldn't have prosecuted this individual because I don't think it raised to let

1763
02:28:16,940 --> 02:28:17,940
out that.

1764
02:28:17,940 --> 02:28:23,180
So, and I'm very try to be very respectful of individuals' constitutional rights, including their

1765
02:28:23,180 --> 02:28:26,460
first amendment, right.

1766
02:28:26,460 --> 02:28:28,460
So your options are laid out in the memo.

1767
02:28:28,540 --> 02:28:33,540
I think it's part of your board packet, or if it's not, it was in a previous memo dated January

1768
02:28:33,540 --> 02:28:38,460
19th, because we were going to talk about this at one of the retreat.

1769
02:28:38,460 --> 02:28:42,780
One of the options you have is to do nothing, just keep it as is.

1770
02:28:42,780 --> 02:28:49,300
Another option is to just take out the two subsections D and E, which talk about the prohibition

1771
02:28:49,300 --> 02:28:51,020
in the penalty for unauthorized use.

1772
02:28:51,020 --> 02:28:52,020
You just take that out.

1773
02:28:52,020 --> 02:28:56,340
So there being no prohibition, there being no penalty for unauthorized use.

1774
02:28:56,340 --> 02:29:04,300
Another option is to track this federal statutory prohibition language, which is what the

1775
02:29:04,300 --> 02:29:06,940
ordinance you have in your packet would do.

1776
02:29:06,940 --> 02:29:08,100
So you have multiple options.

1777
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:18,260
Do nothing, eliminate subsections, D and E, or adopt the modified statute of ordinance language.

1778
02:29:18,260 --> 02:29:19,260
Massage?

1779
02:29:19,260 --> 02:29:20,260
Sure.

1780
02:29:20,260 --> 02:29:22,620
So, I think you all would agree on.

1781
02:29:22,620 --> 02:29:29,580
I am sick and tired of this woke culture, this cancel culture, anyone trying to prevent anyone

1782
02:29:29,580 --> 02:29:30,580
from speaking.

1783
02:29:30,580 --> 02:29:36,420
If you have a first amendment right to say what you want in public, anywhere you want, and if it just

1784
02:29:36,420 --> 02:29:40,180
happens to have a seal behind you, that's the seal.

1785
02:29:40,180 --> 02:29:45,620
So unless you are threatening the life of someone or threatening harm to someone else, that's

1786
02:29:45,620 --> 02:29:47,740
not first amendment right speech.

1787
02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:51,420
But in my newsletter, I use that seal.

1788
02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:52,420
We're all wearing that seal.

1789
02:29:52,420 --> 02:29:57,320
When we go in public, and say something, are we going to be in violation of this?

1790
02:29:57,320 --> 02:30:04,860
And how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how.

1791
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,000
How do you defend conveying a false impression? How do you, the bar must be really high to convey a false impression?

1792
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:17,000
How do you prove that? How do you prove it? It would be a criminal charge. It would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which is really high.

1793
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:22,000
It would have to be what's called men's ray involved, which is basically evil or wrongful intent.

1794
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:28,000
So this person said, this is my opinion.

1795
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:31,000
I don't think he violated either the court.

1796
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:34,000
So I proposed gentlemen, we would just leave this alone.

1797
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:37,000
Someone's got a personal vendetta against this person, right?

1798
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:39,000
It is. It's a person. This is high school stuff.

1799
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:42,000
I don't like you because I'm going to get you in trouble now. This is high school stuff.

1800
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:45,000
He's got a peaked in high school. It's enough.

1801
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:48,000
We're all grown, grown educated men here.

1802
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:57,000
The only downside that I can see in keeping in the way it is is I cannot enforce the prohibition because it's unconstitutional.

1803
02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:04,000
If the person wants to use the seal for whatever purpose they want to, as long as they don't threaten the life of someone else or burdened harm to someone else,

1804
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:10,000
Hey, it's the first amendment right to do that. I can wrap a flag around me and burn it. If I want to, that's my first amendment right.

1805
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:14,000
If I want to make the gloss or flag here, wrap it around my shoulder and burn it in the front here.

1806
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,000
That's my first amendment right to do so.

1807
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:19,000
Am I going to be in violation for burning that flag under this?

1808
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:21,000
Not of a gloss or county ordinance.

1809
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:23,000
Okay. So let's leave it alone.

1810
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:24,000
Gentlemen.

1811
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,000
Mr. Gibson.

1812
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:26,000
Yeah.

1813
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:32,000
I absolutely support the free speech rights of any person in our community, any citizen,

1814
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:39,000
and this ordinance does nothing to restrict the cherished first amendment rights.

1815
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:48,000
The individual who made his speech in front of the seal could have made that speech anywhere in this community, anywhere in this country,

1816
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:50,000
and there would, if I could finish, please.

1817
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:56,000
And there would be absolutely no restrictions on his first amendment rights to speak,

1818
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:59,000
engage in political discussions.

1819
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:05,000
The problem is when he made that speech in front of the seal,

1820
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:10,000
surrounded by the American flag, the state flag, directly below that seal.

1821
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:14,000
It created a huge amount of confusion and dissension among the community.

1822
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:16,000
It wasn't just one component to Ted Wilma.

1823
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:20,000
This was all over social media in the county.

1824
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,000
Huge controversy.

1825
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:32,000
And there is a risk of people sitting in front of that seal and conveying false information or confusing information.

1826
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:39,000
And what was stated in that video was not approved by the school board in Gloucester County.

1827
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:43,000
It was not authorized by the Gloucester County Board of Supervisors.

1828
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:46,000
And so it was improper, in my opinion.

1829
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:53,000
And the risk is, just say, for instance, Mr. Wilma decides he wants to come down here and make a speech in front of the seal,

1830
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:59,000
flanked by flags and says, no one can enter any Gloucester business unless they are double mask

1831
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:01,000
and they produce a vaccination card.

1832
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:07,000
He's the county attorney, but he is conveying the authority of Gloucester County by his speech in front of that seal.

1833
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:12,000
It wouldn't be accurate, it wouldn't be the truth, but it would create havoc in our communities.

1834
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:14,000
Say, what? I have to comply with this.

1835
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:20,000
That's the risk of someone using the seal improperly.

1836
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:24,000
And I believe if we're going to have an ordinance on the books, it should be constitutional.

1837
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:30,000
And Mr. Wilma's explained that the proposed ordinance language is consistent with the case law.

1838
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:34,000
And so it tracks that law. It serves a good purpose for our community.

1839
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:38,000
And therefore I support the adoption of the revised ordinance language.

1840
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,000
Mr. Chris, Chris, go ahead.

1841
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:42,000
Thank you, Mr. Hors.

1842
02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:46,000
With, with going along with what Mr. Gibson said,

1843
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:52,000
I think approving this the way that it is written in our package tonight,

1844
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:57,000
neither the school board individual or in his hypothetical situation.

1845
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:59,000
Mr. Wilma neither one I think would be convicted.

1846
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:04,000
For under this ordinance, the way that what the proposed change,

1847
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:10,000
because there is nothing there that could be said beyond the shadow of a doubt

1848
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:13,000
that you can convict them with.

1849
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:15,000
Mr. Horses.

1850
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:23,000
I'm going to support the change because anyone any elected official

1851
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:29,000
that wants to give a speech in front of our great seal.

1852
02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:34,000
Can't do that if they simply give a disclaimer at the start of their speech.

1853
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:38,000
Simply stating that I'm not speaking for anyone in any.

1854
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:45,000
Poor should part of the county any group and then give a speech.

1855
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:48,000
And so I'm going to support it for that reason.

1856
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:52,000
So let's say then we pass this.

1857
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:55,000
Well, this person, the so-called complainant, now go out and say,

1858
02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:59,000
I want this person to try and I want to give him a fine.

1859
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:01,000
I want to sue you.

1860
02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:04,000
You wouldn't be able to retroactively enforce the prohibition,

1861
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:09,000
but let's say you've passed this and the incident occurred.

1862
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:13,000
It probably would not prosecute it as a violation.

1863
02:35:13,000 --> 02:35:14,000
Mr. Chair.

1864
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:15,000
Mr. Smith.

1865
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:16,000
Mr. Smith.

1866
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:17,000
Mr. Smith.

1867
02:35:17,000 --> 02:35:18,000
Mr. Smith.

1868
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:25,000
Just said, it is not or it was not just one person.

1869
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:31,000
He and I both were out camping and I don't know if he heard it or not,

1870
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:35,000
but I sure heard it everywhere I went.

1871
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:38,000
You know, people were a lot of people.

1872
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:43,000
You know, they took stop and what they heard.

1873
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:48,000
Because it gave them a parent that it was county.

1874
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:53,000
It was a county official making this statement.

1875
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:58,000
And a lot of people believed everything that was said in that statement.

1876
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:01,000
So I support the change.

1877
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:03,000
Mr. Smith.

1878
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:04,000
Mr. Smith.

1879
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:10,000
Who would say that it's illegal?

1880
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:18,000
It would have to be a county official, either the sheriff,

1881
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:23,000
someone from the sheriff's office who would obtain the charge or me,

1882
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:25,000
but I would be the one who prosecutes it.

1883
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:28,000
So I would be the one who would prosecutes it or drops.

1884
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:31,000
So it would be reported to you or them.

1885
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:33,000
Yes.

1886
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:36,000
And then you would figure out if you're going to prosecute it or not.

1887
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:37,000
Yes.

1888
02:36:37,000 --> 02:36:45,000
And this was in my estimation this particular presentation was misleading.

1889
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:51,000
And it was not clear that he was representing himself individually.

1890
02:36:51,000 --> 02:37:01,000
But it also to me wasn't overtly misrepresentational that he was appearing on behalf of the county or the school board.

1891
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:05,000
And like I said, I'd have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt.

1892
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:12,000
And under the amended language, I would have to prove not only what what what he did,

1893
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:20,000
but it would also be I would have to prove that he did what he did for the purpose of conveying

1894
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:26,000
or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey a false impression of sponsorship or approval by

1895
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,000
Mr. County Virginia.

1896
02:37:27,000 --> 02:37:31,000
And this in my estimation was borderline in that regard.

1897
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:41,000
So I would hope that if you adopted this amended language that it would discourage people from lightly utilizing the county seal for their own purposes.

1898
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:44,000
So just but I'm sorry.

1899
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:50,000
So you know, we take the oath when we step into this position.

1900
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:54,000
We agreed to support the Constitution of the United States,

1901
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:55,000
period regardless.

1902
02:37:55,000 --> 02:37:57,000
So free speech is there.

1903
02:37:57,000 --> 02:38:01,000
I think that I see this as a way of supporting the Constitution.

1904
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:03,000
It makes a little bit clearer.

1905
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:07,000
Unfortunately, a situation has pushed us to do this.

1906
02:38:07,000 --> 02:38:12,000
But I think it does clarify the situation and allows us and the last people free speech.

1907
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:16,000
But it does follow the federal law and is constitutional.

1908
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:20,000
And if any situation arose, we have support of it.

1909
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:23,000
This one is on constitutional correct.

1910
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:29,000
So that way I think we're doing things that are constitutionally correct.

1911
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:31,000
I may say so.

1912
02:38:31,000 --> 02:38:40,000
I see the issue not so much as what was said.

1913
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:48,000
But I only see one person in this room that if they were to stand up there and say something.

1914
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:54,000
And that's Mr. Brown that it wouldn't be unless the utility committees up here.

1915
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:59,000
So basically none of us that if they were standing in front of that,

1916
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:08,000
it still is portraying their county is making that statement.

1917
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,000
That's the problem I see with it.

1918
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:16,000
And this has no regard to what everybody is applying to on Facebook.

1919
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:26,000
I think it's mainly who's doing the talking versus what has been said and how it's being said.

1920
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:30,000
One of the one of the problems with the current language,

1921
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:34,000
not problem that made it be declared unconstitutional.

1922
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:38,000
But the prohibition was limited to non-governmental use.

1923
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:44,000
So one of the defenses this individual could utilize was that he was using it for governmental use.

1924
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:50,000
So I had multiple problems with the potential prosecution of this individual.

1925
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:53,000
The main one being that it was unconstitutional.

1926
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:57,000
The other one being, he could argue that it was a governmental purpose.

1927
02:39:57,000 --> 02:39:58,000
It was a governmental use.

1928
02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:01,000
Not sanctioned by the school board or the board of supervisors.

1929
02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:04,000
But it wasn't because he was having a picnic.

1930
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:18,000
So, if there's, is there anything here that you would envision yourself in prosecuted?

1931
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:19,000
Yes.

1932
02:40:19,000 --> 02:40:20,000
Okay.

1933
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:21,000
I hope that never happened.

1934
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:23,000
But with it changed, you do.

1935
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:24,000
Yes, sir.

1936
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,000
Okay.

1937
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:27,000
So, okay.

1938
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:28,000
More and more.

1939
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:30,000
So, hypotheticals here.

1940
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:34,000
So, let's say I stood in front of the podium and I said,

1941
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:37,000
Gee, Glosser County is a great place.

1942
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:39,000
And somebody who says, I don't agree with this guy.

1943
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:41,000
I don't agree with his ideology.

1944
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:43,000
Glosser County is not a great place.

1945
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:44,000
I don't like living here.

1946
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:45,000
And he said it's a great place.

1947
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,000
They can come in, get me for this, right?

1948
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:52,000
Because I've conveyed a false impression about why Glosser County is a great place.

1949
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:54,000
I was not prosecute that charge.

1950
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:56,000
But he can complain under this statute.

1951
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,000
People complain every day.

1952
02:40:58,000 --> 02:41:02,000
I'd like to make the motion that they accept.

1953
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:03,000
Exactly.

1954
02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:05,000
Oh, sure.

1955
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:07,000
That's all that's meant in the county case.

1956
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:09,000
We've got a reception to one part of that.

1957
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:10,000
Exactly.

1958
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:12,000
Any further discussion?

1959
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:16,000
Mr. Hatton.

1960
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:17,000
Mr. Hatton.

1961
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:18,000
Yes.

1962
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:19,000
Mr. Bazani.

1963
02:41:19,000 --> 02:41:20,000
Mr. Gibson.

1964
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,000
Yes.

1965
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:22,000
Mr. Crosco.

1966
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:23,000
Yes.

1967
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:24,000
Mr. Smith.

1968
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:25,000
Yes.

1969
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:26,000
Dr. Morris.

1970
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:27,000
Go down to the end.

1971
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:28,000
Board appointments.

1972
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:29,000
Number D. I didn't date.

1973
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:31,000
What do we have in front of us?

1974
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:32,000
We have.

1975
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:33,000
We have.

1976
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:34,000
We have.

1977
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:35,000
We have.

1978
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:36,000
We have.

1979
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:37,000
We have.

1980
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:38,000
We have.

1981
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:39,000
I don't see that.

1982
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:40,000
We do.

1983
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:41,000
I don't see.

1984
02:41:41,000 --> 02:41:42,000
So you don't want to say it?

1985
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:44,000
Okay, so we got some board appointments.

1986
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:45,000
We have.

1987
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:47,000
I'd like to.

1988
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:52,000
Point for the Board of Equalization Mr. Sandboxing and Mr. Kevin Lewis.

1989
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:53,000
Okay.

1990
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:57,000
Motion to accept as a second.

1991
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:58,000
Second.

1992
02:41:58,000 --> 02:41:59,000
What was the famous AI?

1993
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:00,000
All right.

1994
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:02,000
All right. Okay. So we've got also.

1995
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,000
Welcome, Mr. Planning.

1996
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,000
We have orders on the field.

1997
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:07,000
I did speak with Mr. Hatton.

1998
02:42:07,000 --> 02:42:08,000
Excuse me here.

1999
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:09,000
I'm very interested.

2000
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:10,000
Okay.

2001
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:11,000
And we'd love to serve in that capacity.

2002
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:12,000
So I'd like to make the motion.

2003
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:13,000
Point Mr. Hatton.

2004
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:14,000
Excuse me.

2005
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:15,000
Okay.

2006
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:17,000
Mr. Hatton.

2007
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:18,000
Thomas.

2008
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:19,000
Thomas.

2009
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:20,000
Oh, I'm sorry.

2010
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:24,000
That would be a recommendation for the circuit court.

2011
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:25,000
Correct.

2012
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:26,000
Okay.

2013
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:27,000
Okay.

2014
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:28,000
Is there.

2015
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:29,000
There's a motion.

2016
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:30,000
Is there a second.

2017
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:31,000
Yes.

2018
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:32,000
All those effects, AI?

2019
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:33,000
Yes.

2020
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:34,000
Great.

2021
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:35,000
What else do we have?

2022
02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:36,000
We have.

2023
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:37,000
The store.

2024
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:39,000
Okay, maybe.

2025
02:42:39,000 --> 02:42:40,000
And that.

2026
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:41,000
For these.

2027
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:45,000
From the store for committee's suggestion.

2028
02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:47,000
Great.

2029
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:51,000
The first one listed.

2030
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:55,000
All three indicated their interest and availability.

2031
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:58,000
The first one had some background.

2032
02:42:58,000 --> 02:42:59,000
That.

2033
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:02,000
Came in as a staff recommendation.

2034
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:03,000
Mm-hmm.

2035
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:04,000
As a good fit for the committee.

2036
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:05,000
Chris Chad.

2037
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:06,000
Chad Scott.

2038
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,000
I'm sorry.

2039
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:09,000
No, we haven't.

2040
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:10,000
No.

2041
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:12,000
I'm sorry that would be for the at large position.

2042
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:16,000
There's there are currently no pets worth volunteers in the volunteer board bank.

2043
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:18,000
Okay.

2044
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:20,000
So we have a donation food.

2045
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:21,000
The store.

2046
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:23,000
Committee for the at large.

2047
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:24,000
The guys are most accept.

2048
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:25,000
Just got.

2049
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:26,000
I'll make them.

2050
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:27,000
Second.

2051
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:28,000
All the papers.

2052
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:29,000
I.

2053
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:30,000
Okay.

2054
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:31,000
That.

2055
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:32,000
And then.

2056
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:33,000
The chair.

2057
02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:34,000
Make the motion.

2058
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:35,000
The report.

2059
02:43:35,000 --> 02:43:36,000
Rear point.

2060
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:37,000
The job.

2061
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:38,000
The motion.

2062
02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:39,000
And this.

2063
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:40,000
The.

2064
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:41,000
The.

2065
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:42,000
The.

2066
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:43,000
The.

2067
02:43:43,000 --> 02:43:44,000
The.

2068
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:45,000
Okay.

2069
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:47,000
Now.

2070
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:48,000
Right.

2071
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:49,000
Now.

2072
02:43:49,000 --> 02:43:50,000
And the.

2073
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:51,000
Brown.

2074
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:56,000
Golden Warded Warded commissioner reports.

2075
02:43:56,000 --> 02:44:00,000
If it none supervisor discussion.

2076
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:01,000
One item gentlemen.

2077
02:44:01,000 --> 02:44:02,000
Okay.

2078
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:03,000
The next month.

2079
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:06,000
It gets Monday.

2080
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:12,000
We have the presentation of the budget by the steel as aShoepet.

2081
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:13,000
On the 50th,

2082
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:17,000
We have our meeting with the school board, correct?

2083
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:21,000
The 16th, we have a first budget meeting, right?

2084
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:27,000
Now, we are going to have to extend that meeting to the 23rd

2085
02:44:27,000 --> 02:44:33,000
because we have to meet with the Berkeley group for just six prior to the

2086
02:44:33,000 --> 02:44:37,000
budget meeting, the MDM, the public hearing.

2087
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:41,000
So on the 16th, we will be at the end of that meeting,

2088
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:47,000
extending that meeting to the 23rd at 4 o'clock,

2089
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:51,000
so that we continue the meeting because this way we will have to advertise

2090
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:53,000
the meeting as a special meeting.

2091
02:44:53,000 --> 02:44:57,000
So just be extended meeting on the 23rd at 4 o'clock.

2092
02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:01,000
We are looking for a room in TCC.

2093
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:19,000
We'll go from 46, and I talk to Ms. Cronin that since our meeting starts at 7, that we would arrange to have some dinner brought to us, so that we wouldn't have to go anywhere. And we could just stay there and then go to the public hearing, which would be a T.C. Walker at 7 o'clock in this week.

2094
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:32,000
We'll work about that. Okay. And if you else, if not, Mr. Wilmot call us into closed session, please.

2095
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:41,000
Where is the Gostric County Board of Supervisors, desires to discuss a particular subject in closed meeting during the course of its meeting of March 12, 2022?

2096
02:45:41,000 --> 02:45:48,000
And where is the nature of the subject as discussion or consideration of the potential acquisition of an interest in real property for a public purpose?

2097
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:53,000
We're soon to Virginia Cadd section 2.2-371183 Main Street Library.

2098
02:45:53,000 --> 02:46:01,000
Now, therefore, be resolved that the Gostric County Board of Supervisors is hereby convening closed meeting for the purpose here and express pursuant the legal authority and recited.

2099
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:03,000
Is there no second?

2100
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:05,000
Ms. Theo called a board.

2101
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:09,000
Mr. Hadret?

2102
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:10,000
Yes.

2103
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:11,000
Mr. Cazani?

2104
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:12,000
Yes.

2105
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:13,000
Mr. Gibson?

2106
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:14,000
Yes.

2107
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:15,000
Mr. Chrisco?

2108
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:16,000
Yes.

2109
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:18,000
Mr. Hartson?

2110
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:19,000
Yes.

2111
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:20,000
Mr. Hartson?

2112
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:21,000
Yes.

2113
02:46:43,000 --> 02:46:45,000
Where is the Gostric County Board?

2114
02:46:45,000 --> 02:46:50,000
Supervisors has completed its discussion and closed meeting and now desires to continue its open meeting.

2115
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:56,000
And where is only public business matters, lawfully exempted from open meeting or heard discussed or considered during the closed meeting?

2116
02:46:56,000 --> 02:47:02,000
And the only subjects heard discussed or considered instead closed meeting were the matters identified in the resolution by which it was convening.

2117
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:14,000
Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Gostric County Board of Supervisors is hereby reconvening an open meeting and its meeting of March 12, 2022, and certifies the matters set forth in Virginia Cadd section 2.2-3712.

2118
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:15,000
So, second?

2119
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:16,000
That's that.

2120
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:17,000
Okay, all those in favor?

2121
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:18,000
I'm pulling the board.

2122
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:20,000
Mr. Cazani?

2123
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:21,000
Yes.

2124
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:22,000
Mr. Gibson?

2125
02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:23,000
Mr. Chrisco?

2126
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:24,000
Yes.

2127
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:25,000
Mr. Smith?

2128
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:26,000
Yes.

2129
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:27,000
Dr. Morris?

2130
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:28,000
Mr. Hartson?

2131
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:29,000
Mr. Hadret?

2132
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:30,000
Yes.

2133
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:35,000
If there are no other matters for the board, is there mostly all those in favor say aye?