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73 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Anyone wanting to speak for the by-law? 74 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,400 Anyone wanting to speak for the by-law before us? 75 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:22,400 Anyone wanting to speak against the by-law? 76 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,400 Anyone wanting to speak against the by-law? 77 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:33,400 For the third and final time, anyone wanting to speak against the by-law? 78 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Hearing none? 79 00:11:42,400 --> 00:12:08,400 We will bring the by-law forward at the time during the by-laws later in the meeting. 80 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:15,400 We will go to depotations and petitions 5.1, retail market study for 414, 81 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,400 and 436 here in road. 82 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:27,400 If I could ask our planner, Victor, to come forward to explain the process and the scope. 83 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Thank you, your worship and members of council. 84 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,400 I think I have a slide deck, so I'll just ample. 85 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:40,400 I'm not talking about the pre-ample, but what we're waiting for that to get loaded up. 86 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:46,400 There is a potential application for 414 and 436 here on road. 87 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,400 At this point, there is no application in front of council. 88 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:57,400 The town's official plan sets out commercial policies that want to maintain the town as a vibrant retail centre for the broader market area, 89 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:03,400 As such, it identifies the downtown quarters and important focus for commercial activity, 90 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,400 and then sets out highway commercial and group commercial areas as also areas where commercial activity can happen. 91 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,400 Highway commercial areas have the most restrictions on what sort of commercial activities can take place, 92 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:22,400 with a minimum size requirement for retail stores so that they're larger than the size typically seen in the downtown, 93 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,400 and also a maximum number of units per property, which is set up two as the base, 94 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,400 and sometimes you end up with more units over time through an application process. 95 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Group commercial developments, initially this only referred to the mall. 96 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:45,400 There are now two group commercial areas in the town. The second one is the new LCBO location at the edge of town. 97 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:51,400 These are intended to be multi-unit plaza developments or mall style developments, 98 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,400 where you do have smaller retail uses, and you have a larger number of overall units, 99 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:04,400 and the intention is that these would support the function of the downtown core by helping to provide locations for some of those businesses 100 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:13,400 that prefer arterial road locations and have large footprints, and kind of that more traditional plaza style development. 101 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:25,400 So in this case, there is a proposal for a potential new group commercial development, which is triggering the requirement for a market study. 102 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:33,400 So the town's requirements for a market study are that they have to demonstrate a need for the amount and type of commercial uses, 103 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:39,400 and no undue detrimental effect on the downtown core in the existing group commercial developments. 104 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Justify why the development can't occur in the downtown core and provide reasonable assurances that there could be tenants available for the proposed units. 105 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,400 And that proposals which can't satisfy these criteria would not be approved. 106 00:14:53,400 --> 00:15:00,400 And these market studies are to be prepared under the direction of council in consultation with the proponent. 107 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Including the terms of reference and selection of a consultant, and it's all at the expense of the proponent for the development. 108 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000 And then it goes into a little more detail. 109 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:20,000 So the proposal in question is at the corner of St. Coast Drive, and here on road, the property owner owns two adjacent properties. 110 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,000 And they're looking at bringing them both into the commercial development to allow a bit more flexibility moving forward. 111 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:34,000 The plaza which contains the ANW and used to contain the crabby jose, now has carquest and Domino's pizza. 112 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,000 There have been a number of rezoning applications over the years for that property to add additional commercial units for it. 113 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:48,000 If it were brought into the group commercial designation, then a lot of those applications wouldn't be required moving forward. 114 00:15:48,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Similarly, they own the old assault building immediately to the south and east, and their hope would be in the future to redevelop that property. 115 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:15,000 So like I said, the applicant is proposing to bring the property from highway commercial to group commercial to permit additional commercial units and to permit retail units, which would be under the minimum size for the highway commercial designation. 116 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:30,000 But there are no applications in front of council. This is just to select a market study consultant and approve the market study process to begin at the cost of the proponent. 117 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:38,000 And so I did attach the full terms of reference for the proposal and I'm happy to try to answer any questions that council has. 118 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:53,000 But at this point, we are recommending that a by-law will be passed to authorize the mayor and clerk to enter into the contractual agreement with urban metrics incorporated for a market study retail market study in the town of Gaudert. 119 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,000 This is essentially the first step in the planning process for this project. 120 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:16,000 If the market study, which is to be prepared with the town as the primary beneficiary of the study, if it came back and said that there is no surplus need for retail in the town of Gaudert, then I doubt that we would see an application for a planning for a. 121 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:31,000 But if this moves forward, then I expect that we would see an OPA and a zoning for the property in the future coming to council. 122 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:41,000 I'm just wondering is it totally restricted to just retail the study? 123 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000 They won't go outside that at all. 124 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:55,000 The previous study that was done did look briefly at food services, but it depends on the methodology of the applicant. 125 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 The official plan test is entirely around retail. 126 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:09,000 So that's all that they'll have to show in the retail market study to have the town satisfied that the proposal could meet the intent of the official plan. 127 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 There's no proposals right now. 128 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:19,000 There's no planning policies and Gaudert right now that would restrict the amount of safe food service locations and where they can be in the town. 129 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:25,000 So the only test is, do we have sufficient retail need with this location be appropriate? 130 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And if you created retail at that location would it negatively impact the rest of the town in some way? 131 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Okay, thank you Victor. Council, have you got any questions? 132 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Council Roy. 133 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:47,000 So if the market study comes back and it doesn't meet those conditions, we won't have an applicant and therefore the town will have to absorb that cost, correct? 134 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:57,000 No, so we would not initiate the retail market study until the applicant agrees and likely puts up the initial expected cost for the study. 135 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,000 We would not be having the town pay for it initially and then hope to get the money back in the future. 136 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:10,000 This is only if the money is provided up front and then either overage would be paid on a ongoing basis. 137 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Any other questions? 138 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:20,000 If not, thank you, Victor. We'll deal with this through a by-law later on in the meeting. 139 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Thank you. 140 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Okay, our next deputation is from the BIA. 141 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Susan is the manager and the chair of the board is Elizabeth. 142 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Thank you. 143 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:49,000 We are through a year to council. I'm Susan Carrity and I'm the BIA manager and with me, I'm proud to introduce Elizabeth Vandenbrock who says is the BIA board chair. 144 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:58,000 We don't normally, we don't normally ask for a deputation and we're sending a letter requesting to use the courthouse park. 145 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:06,000 But because of the changes that are going to occur on our portion of the winterfest events in the downtown core, 146 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:13,000 we're asking for your indulgence for a brief moment to go over some of the changes in expectations. 147 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 So I thank you for your time. 148 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:25,000 The BIA will not be hosting ice-tacular this year and we thought it was a critically important to reaffirm that message. 149 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:32,000 It has gone out in the past. We did do our due diligence and spent three to four months looking for cooperative partners. 150 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Somebody who might be interested in taking it on, but we were not successful in doing that. 151 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,000 So this year, the downtown core, is going to look somewhat different. 152 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:54,000 We do have a request to use courthouse park to run horse and wagon rides, some outdoor active events, as well as a candy land scavenger hunt. 153 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Which would have been this snowflake scavenger hunt in the past. 154 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,000 So that is a brief outline of our request, but I am at this time going to turn it over to Elizabeth Vandenbrock. 155 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Thank you. 156 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Good afternoon council. Your worship. 157 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:19,000 I'm just here to answer any questions and to clarify any information and to be assured that we get permission to use the park in this manner. 158 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,000 That's a pretty brief presentation. 159 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:33,000 I spectacular will miss it, but it was a pretty great event and maybe next year somebody will see it's absence and want to take up the mantle of holding it. 160 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:39,000 I've run it for four years and it's expensive and a lot of work. 161 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Okay for the viewing public. 162 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 I know we have it in our briefs. 163 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Could you tell us quickly what we could expect? 164 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,000 So we have a young entrepreneur on our square, a brand and sorbet of surf stuff. 165 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:02,000 I believe he came to speak with you and there was some confusion as to the way his presentation went. 166 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000 So he is to be our main sponsor for the event. 167 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Instead of using the terminology ice-tacular, we're definitely dropping that moniker so to manage the expectation of what people will be seeing when they come. 168 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:26,000 The winterfest downtown 2020 will just be collaborating with the other ongoing winterfest events that are around the community. 169 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,000 So that we're seeing as a package of the whole. 170 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Our horse and wagon as Susan mentioned will be back. 171 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Our instead of a snowflake hunt, we're doing a candyland theme hunt. 172 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:46,000 So lollipops really working this year to try and engage the businesses so that we have people on the sidewalks going in and out of the store. 173 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,000 So our focus as our BI is to get people into the stores. 174 00:22:51,000 --> 00:23:03,000 The other thing we will be doing is working with Brendan who will be the chairing of the committee or on the committee to do the winterfest in the actual park space. 175 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:14,000 So Brendan will be providing snowflakes, fat bikes, outdoor physical activities that will be set up as a free to use. 176 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,000 So in the same way the ice-tacular was a free to use activity events based scenario. 177 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:29,000 He's also been approaching other organizations and businesses to host their own scenarios as such. 178 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:37,000 And he does have some interest in in line, but you will not see the ice-side, you will not see the ice games and the painting walls. 179 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Although we are looking for sponsors who are willing to create and engage the activities, we're considering buying a few kind of packaged ice. 180 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Packaged activities that if a business said I would like to host say a giant checker board. 181 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:59,000 So we can get still as many kind of play and use things but to a different degree. 182 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Thank you very much. Council of you got any questions. 183 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:11,000 No questions from council. I thank you very much and we look forward to the event. 184 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Okay. Do we need anything from this point? 185 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 I don't think so. I think we're all set. 186 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 Is that everybody's clear? 187 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Thank you very much. Thank you. 188 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Okay. We will move on. 189 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,000 We'll go back to the deputation. 190 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:55,000 And maybe this brings forward the declaration from our environmental action committee. 191 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:07,000 And if I could ask the chair of the environmental committee to come forward and maybe explain the declaration of the environment committee. 192 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:13,000 And also a motion that we will deal with in regards to FCM. 193 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 If you can come forward. 194 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Thank you very much. 195 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Thanks for having me again here this evening. 196 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Yes, so our environmental action committee met last week to discuss further the recommendation of a climate emergency in the town of Gaudert. 197 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:50,000 And our committee was strongly recommend that we join the more than 400 other Canadian municipalities that have declared emergency within Canada. 198 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:57,000 And I think you all have seen the declaration it should be as part of your package this evening. 199 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Our committee thinks that this would be an excellent move. 200 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:09,000 I believe we'll be the second municipality and on Lake Huron to join a climate emergency state. 201 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:15,000 And we would be the first in the county I believe, which would be a very strong move as the town of Gaudert. 202 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:25,000 And this move would tell people, especially as a great like community that climate change is an important issue. 203 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 It's impacting us. It's impacting us here. 204 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 We've all seen what's happening along the shoreline in Gaudert right now. 205 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000 And we're the ones feeling the effects of climate change here on Lake Huron. 206 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,000 So this is really a declaration to the rest of Canada that this is an important issue. 207 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 And we're taking it very seriously. 208 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:55,000 And the recommendation that the committee made outlines this specific details of what types of commitments that we would be making as a community. 209 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Thank you, Aaron. 210 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:05,000 We will deal with that and then there's a motion after that. 211 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Okay. 212 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:15,000 I have to bring the motion from the partners of climate protection up first because it was table with the last meeting. 213 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:21,000 And I believe that as 14 12.5 is the FCM. 214 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 So my apologies. We'll have to raise it from the table first. 215 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:31,000 And then we'll ask you to speak to if we could. 216 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Could I have someone from council make a motion to raise that from the table? 217 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Councilor Donley. 218 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,000 Seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdock. 219 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Any questions? 220 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,000 If not, we'll all in favor of raising it from the table. 221 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Carried. 222 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Now we will speak to the motion from FCM. 223 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 It doesn't have to be a big description. 224 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 We do have it in our package. 225 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Talk about the partners for climate protection. 226 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:12,000 And that is part of the initiative that FCM has taken on country wide. 227 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000 And I believe there's over 400 communities involved in that now. 228 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Between yourself and maybe our CEO we can explain what that means and how does that break down community by community. 229 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Go ahead there. 230 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,000 So declaring a climate emergency sounds like a big strong step. 231 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,000 And I'm sure all of you are thinking about the specifics, 232 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 what does this specifically mean for our community. 233 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 But really the most important thing is joining this program that's available. 234 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000 The FCM puts on this program. 235 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:56,000 And there are resources that are available to our community to assess how we are doing in 236 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 regards to greenhouse gas emissions to climate change in general. 237 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 We can look at what power communities currently doing. 238 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 We can set a baseline. 239 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:24,000 And then we can move forward to setting specific targets that are achievable and realistic for our 240 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 side thing is the green marine. 241 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 It's unfortunate that rolling how is out of the country right now. 242 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,000 But the green marine initiative is something that the environment committee has started 243 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000 also in conjunction with GPMC. 244 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:47,000 And it is the same type of thing as taking the inventory of what we have now. 245 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,000 And how can we better our footprint going forward in the future. 246 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,000 I don't know Jessica, would you want to speak to this at all partners? 247 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:11,000 For a climate protection. And maybe just for the viewing public tell people, but position you hold and how you fit into this. 248 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:23,000 I'm Jessica Fury. I'm the Asim Management Environmental Coordinator with the town, fresh from maternity leave. So just catching up on things I've missed over the last year. 249 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:31,000 But I would just add with the FCM, just with different grant opportunities with environmental projects. 250 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:50,000 They're starting to, you know, ask now if your community has a GHG inventory climate change plan, all these initiatives. So it's it's really good for the town to start thinking about these things, having discussions and have things in place because it'll open the doors for more grant opportunities as well. 251 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Go ahead, Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 252 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Yes, and I'd like to add to that the county has already applied and received funding for one individual Lily Hamlin. I think many of you know her. 253 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,000 And she is preparing her working on the baseline on the counties behalf. 254 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:35,000 And I think it's it's very good for us, you know, to start looking at our decision making process with with a variety of lenses, one of which should be should be the environment and and how we can best protect it and steward it for the future. 255 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000 Council any questions? Councillor Valle. 256 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Well, a question Mr. Mayor, just to comment. There's a general disposition to support and encourage our committees and there's a specific disposition to support this because it's a very timely and important project. Thank you. 257 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,000 Thank you. Anyone else from council. 258 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:07,000 We have a motion or we bring the forward the motion. It's on the floor. 259 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Do we have to move it a second and again. 260 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000 If I could have some a move it. So moved by Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 261 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Seconded by Councillor Tammy. Any further questions on the motion before us and that's partners for climate protection from FCM all in favor. 262 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:35,000 Carried. Thank you very much. Now that the declaration we'll bring that one forward. 263 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,000 We've already we have a mover and seconder and if you could read the read the motion. 264 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Thank you. 265 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Through you, Mayor. I have a recommendation from the Environmental Action Committee dated today's date and it's been moved by Councillor Roy and seconded by Councillor Tammy. 266 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:59,000 The Gaudert Town Council continue to support actions to safeguard against the current and potential consequences of the global crisis. 267 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:07,000 And we'll set policy goals provide appropriate funding to address these goals and mobilize our community to implement these goals. 268 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:19,000 What's a climate protection program is coordinated between the town of Gaudert and the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and the ICLEI Local Governments for Sustainability in 2020 2021. 269 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Be it for the result that based on a five-mile stone framework from the FCM and the ICLEI. 270 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:37,000 The town staff complete a GHD so that's Greenhouse gas emissions inventory and forecast setting a Greenhouse gas reduction target developing a local action plan. 271 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Implement the plan and monitor progress and report results. 272 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Be it for the result that town staff is directed to incorporate climate resilience policies identified in the climate protection program in the corporate strategic plan. 273 00:33:52,000 --> 00:34:00,000 The waterfront master plan and other town plans to ensure climate change and resiliency efforts are strong, effective and aligned. 274 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:11,000 Be it for the result that town staff is directed to promote interdepartmental coordination to ensure that the town's emergency management plan offers an aligned approach to the threats of the climate crisis. 275 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:20,000 And natural hazards, including but not limited to changing green lakes, water levels, flooding, erosion and storm damage. 276 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:33,000 Be it further resolved that Gaudert is an environmental action committee and town staff commit to educating our residents about the financial and regulatory actions needed to eliminate Greenhouse gas emissions as quickly as possible. 277 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:41,000 With a priority focus to putting it in place policies programs and actions within the 2030 timeframe. 278 00:34:41,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Be it further resolved that Gaudert is an environmental action committee and town staff commits to educating our residents about the climate emergency and advocating for a transition away from fossil fuel use at the local county, provincial and national level through a climate planning process. 279 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Be it further resolved that Gaudert's town council request our provincial and federal governments, all governments and people around the world to initiate an immediate social and economic mobilization, 280 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:26,000 which refers anthropogenic climate change and ecological destruction by reducing greenhouse gas emissions to meet targets set by the FCM, ICLEI and the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change. 281 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Be it further resolved that the town clerk forward a copy of this resolution to premier Doug Ford. 282 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:51,000 In the EAT of the PM clubs, MP here in Bruce, Lisa Thomson MPP for here on Bruce environment and climate change candidate, the Ministry the environment, conservation parks, the county of Huron and the Maintland Valley conservation authority. 283 00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:06,000 council. So this is for the declaration emergency for climate change. Any questions? No questions? All in favour? 284 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Okay. Mayors remarks. Other than our waterfront. I don't have any. I will short update to the waterfront. 285 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Construction continues on a very aggressive state because we have an open winter. And we are able to move on it very progressively. 286 00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:04,000 I've been down in numerous times to see where we're at and how we're doing. The staff are doing a marvelous job along with the engineers and here in contracting. 287 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:16,000 I don't know if council may have questions later on in the meeting about the waterfront but that's all I have to report. I would ask any councilors remarks. 288 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Deputy Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just some information. Some of you probably are already aware of it. 289 00:37:40,000 --> 00:38:01,000 But the here in public health unit has as of January the second of this year merged with Perth County Health Unit and there now being operated jointly and separately whereas our previously was part of the county of Huron. 290 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:10,000 This is actually an autonomous unit. Any way there are the important thing is that both counties are being. 291 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:24,000 The public health requirements are being taken care of by the respective county still. It's just that it's rather a joint or a consolidation of efforts. 292 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Thank you for the update. Any anyone else have a comment? Okay. We'll move on to financial reports accounts. 293 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:43,000 If I could have it moved in seconded by council. Councilor Thompson. 294 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:59,000 That the accounts for the period ending December 30 is 2019 in the amount of 2,829,744 and 7 cents be approved for payment. 295 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,000 I've already moved in second all in favor. Okay. 296 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Departmental reports. Can I have someone so moved. Councilor High Councilor Tammy seconds it. 297 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:22,000 That the department reports that be received as as stated. Any questions? Deputy Mayor. 298 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:32,000 Just a comment with regards to the building report which is the year to date report for 2019. 299 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:48,000 Just a comment that the total value of permits exceeded 24 million this past year as compared to 7.5 million in 2018. So that's a significant improvement. 300 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:58,000 And it seems to have hit all of the categories whether it be residential primarily but also commercial and industrial. 301 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Thank you. All in favor. 302 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,000 The correspondence received in copy for which the direction of council is required. 303 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,000 8.1. 304 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,000 The OPP contract. Where is that fine gentleman? 305 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:28,000 The detachment commander is here. 306 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:36,000 And Councillor Donnelly has removed himself from the council table. 307 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:44,000 It is in front of us. We have asked the detachment commander. 308 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,000 If you could come forward sir maybe we can address a few questions that council may have. 309 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:58,000 If you could state your your name again and your and your rank and and then we have a few questions for you. 310 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:06,000 Sure. Through you. Your worship. My name is Rob Scott. I'm an inspector with the intel potential police. 311 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000 I'm currently assigned as the interim detachment commander is a fear on counties in September. 312 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000 The most of the tashepaner in Perus County as well as county tashepaner. 313 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,000 So it's my pleasure serving you. I've had a great several months here. It's gone very quickly. 314 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:28,000 And I'm certainly open to any questions that you may have. 315 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,000 So I think our biggest question. 316 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000 As it evolves into a new model. 317 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:46,000 What does it look like for the community of Godrich for policing going forward? 318 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:53,000 And the biggest concern that I've heard is will we still have the same amount of boots on the ground? 319 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000 Will we still have the same amount of service? 320 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:05,000 And maybe you can describe in a few brief moments of what does it look like? 321 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,000 What kind of changes do you see in the next four or five months? 322 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Especially when we see the major police station out on highway 21. 323 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:28,000 Anyone be moved to Clinton and also our local establishment will receive changes also. 324 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Maybe you can describe it for the public. 325 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000 And then we'll have open enough for questions. 326 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000 Yeah, through you, you were so. 327 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000 Having a centralized location, I've worked in various detachment. 328 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,000 My career and I will try to make this brief because I've been known to go over my time and dictations before. 329 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:53,000 But having one centralized location is certainly an advantage, I think, not only to us, but to the community. 330 00:42:53,000 --> 00:43:02,000 It allows, you know, from a detachment command perspective, to have all your resources in one place and then deploy from that location. 331 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:15,000 Over the last several years under Commissioner Hawks, he pushed quite aggressively to bring the OPP up to its current standards and as far as pushing technology. 332 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,000 All our cruisers now have, have mobile workstations, we know where they are. 333 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,000 They're all tied in through GPS network technology to provincial comm center. 334 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:33,000 We currently have, and for the last several years, had closest to the call, which basically it's cut down is for two reasons public safety and progress once time. 335 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000 Where we know where our officers are. 336 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000 So any officer even would say they're from south brews or traveling through the area. 337 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 They'll be dispatched to a call if it's a high priority serious call. 338 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,000 So moving forward, that's going to stay the same. It's going on now. 339 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:56,000 From an analytical perspective, the days of just taking your keys when I started a long time ago and driving around aimlessly, 340 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,000 writing out tickets and you got all these tickets that was a measure of group response. 341 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000 Certainly, that's changed, like municipalities. 342 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:12,000 Our, our, our, we, the OPP has budgets to address and all these things and impacts the bottom line and officers and all those things. 343 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000 But one of the things is we look at is deployment through our analytics. 344 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000 Where are our calls for service and we'll deploy officers to there. 345 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,000 So rest assured, knowing the size of this community, there will be officers deployed to your community. 346 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:32,000 I am a believer in increasing visibility, foot patrol, all those things. 347 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000 It is a challenge, it's certainly is a challenge all the time, because of the other calls. 348 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Some of our, you know, calls that where we, we see that currently have priorities around areas of, of mental health and addiction issues. 349 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,000 And they, they do occupy a lot of police and emergency services time. 350 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:59,000 So, as well, we're looking forward to establish, as well, you know, we're working with the missfality, a local extended service office in the community here. 351 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Which, 352 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,000 We'll give our officers a place to go and report out of while they're working in this zone, and certainly by, by looking at other, you know, our peak times for calls for service and trying to ensure that officers are where they need to be. 353 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:23,000 So, those are just a couple of, you know, a very high oversight, as to those things moving forward. 354 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:33,000 And I don't know if there's any other questions, I know I'm limited for time, because I could go on, and I'd probably miss something key points that you would like to see addressed. 355 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:41,000 Okay, we'll stop there for a second. Council, have you got questions in the level of services that we're talking about? 356 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:49,000 The 5.1 or 10, what is the enhanced? Council? 357 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000 Question? 358 00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:03,000 Maybe this isn't the right time to ask the question, but when we're talking about the contract, do we want to talk about the options we had available in the pros and cons or do you want to say that to later? 359 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:11,000 No, if you have a question, I think we have the gentleman here that can answer the question. 360 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:17,000 What is, are the pros and cons of the enhanced versus, I think it's 5.1. 361 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,000 So, from my point of view, I know I understand it already, but for the viewing audience, they may not. 362 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,000 So, that's what we want to make clear is a good question. 363 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:39,000 So, between the two programs, if you could describe to us now, we've always had the enhanced, but we've had a full office here. 364 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:46,000 Now, we're going to go into an agreement moving forward that may not have the enhanced. 365 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,000 What does that look like? Is that reflective with boots on the ground? 366 00:46:50,000 --> 00:47:03,000 Now, through your worship, realistically, you should not see that the public should really not see that much of an impact of boots on the grounds with the exception of the fact, officers won't be reporting to the location here. 367 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:13,000 There's a whole variety of reasons that have changed, even giving when you look at the technology that we use to take statements and video statements. 368 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:21,000 It's a burden in the cost associated with those things would be, you know, to have a multiple places would be wouldn't be cost effective. 369 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:38,000 When you look at that, from a contract enhanced, a contract enhanced, basically a contract allows you to, all the crime prevention strategies and everything you're commonly in custom to now. 370 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:47,000 But it also gives you the ability, the municipality ability to play for grants and various other crime prevention options through through the government should they become available. 371 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:54,000 When you had an enhancement to that here, you have a sergeant and a administrative assistant locally. 372 00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:10,000 I can tell you that even from the administration that was back when God changed, like some 20-plus years ago, that role has changed immensely, where everything's probably done online. 373 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:20,000 Our background checks, everything, they will be done in Clinton because that's where the technology that we are given through the RCMP to do everything on fingerprints. 374 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000 They have those in multiple locations, again, is often difficult to do. 375 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000 So that role has changed a great deal. 376 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:35,000 From a court perspective, when you look at traditionally our administrative assistance, have done all the court work. 377 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:43,000 Because of the technology that our officer has available to us now, civilian data entry, the dictated into the cell phone that the provided every shift, 378 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,000 that goes into our database, it gets dictated and transcribed. 379 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:56,000 Now officers are sending e-briefs to the court and we just started that within the last several months here. 380 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:02,000 That whole role of an enhanced position when you look at an administrative assistant has changed. 381 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:15,000 So if you look at what you've been used to here, you should see very little impact except for the fact that when people have to do in other background checks or various things, they need to go down. 382 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000 They would have to go to Clinton in this case. 383 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:24,000 When you speak to, I have to see a police officer right now and run into that office. 384 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,000 There's a chance or may not be right now and for the last several years a police officer in that building because they're on calls for service in and around the address. 385 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:39,000 So that still remains the 1,800 number to contact our communication center in London. 386 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:47,000 And London itself, our communication center is going through a whole new revamped upgrade and that technology as well. 387 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,000 So that should then translate into better service for all communities that we serve. 388 00:49:51,000 --> 00:50:00,000 So when you look at a 5.1 contract, that's basically, I'm sorry, I'll go back to the contract position. 389 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:15,000 That allows you have an established police service board which has been very, very rudiment and strong functioning board here for many, many years back probably to the municipal police. 390 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:23,000 And that allows the through the police chair to have a drink, to counsel and ultimately the community with the detachment commander. 391 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:35,000 And that's something that's moving forward, you can retain as a seat on that and there are other changes coming but I won't get into that because that's on the scope, I think, of the question. 392 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:47,000 When you look at a 5.1 contract, that's basically says, you're paying for a police service, we'll respond to calls, we'll do the basic minimum of crime prevention, some rides, those various things in the community. 393 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:57,000 More about response, most communities that choose that don't really have the calls for service that would maybe justify entering into a contract perhaps. 394 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:07,000 But again, those are municipal decisions that are at the under the purview of counsel and things there. 395 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:16,000 The biggest concern we have is service service. 396 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000 Boots on the ground. 397 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:32,000 That's our concern, we don't want to lose any type of service that would lessen officers working in our community. 398 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,000 That's important to counsel and it's important to the community. 399 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000 Counselor. 400 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,000 Just so that we're for the view and public and for the public. 401 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,000 Even if we would do the enhancements, let's say we did a section 10 with the enhancements. 402 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:59,000 Our sergeant or the sergeant that we would have and our administrative assistant will no longer be in the town of Goddurch. 403 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000 In the area they would be stationed out of Clinton. 404 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000 Is that right in April? 405 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000 Yes, that's correct. 406 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,000 So by not having the enhancement we still have. 407 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:16,000 So even if we had the enhancement of the administrative assistant, we still would have to go to Clinton in order to get police checks and stuff like that. 408 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,000 That's correct. 409 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000 You could still have the enhancement. 410 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000 They could still work here. 411 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000 However, like with the sergeant he's deployed administrative assistant isn't. 412 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,000 So sergeant, that you could still have that. 413 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:34,000 That's just a different look and they would come here for the day but they would still have to report back to Clinton at the end of their. 414 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000 That's correct. 415 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:49,000 If we didn't have that sergeant, but still not this impact the feet that are on the ground and the service that we get. 416 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000 No, not at all. 417 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,000 And again, we work on based on our call for service. 418 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000 We're doing many proactive things now. 419 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000 Based on again our analytics are focused patrols. 420 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000 We have problem areas. 421 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000 We dedicate officers to that. 422 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,000 We go where there's a need and we work with the community to try and address those needs. 423 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,000 To do otherwise, in my opinion, the task commander is a waste of resources. 424 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:16,000 And when you look at the size of Godrich and I've worked in many municipalities just big and a little bigger, I can assure you officers will be here. 425 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000 And we'll try to again improve on that service. 426 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:27,000 One thing we have and we just got approval for is we do what we are responsible for the security and the courts. 427 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,000 We already have two officers that will be in town every day there's a court. 428 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:41,000 And we've also received approval to advertise for two special constables to be in the courts as well to provide that assistance and some security in the courts. 429 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:47,000 In addition to this will be a full time patrol zone with officers dedicated here. 430 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:53,000 And with officers coming in here when extra officers will need it and vice versa. 431 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,000 So that's definitely a bonus for us. 432 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000 Deputy Mayor. 433 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,000 As question. 434 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000 Sure, Mr. Mayor. 435 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:13,000 It would seem to me that the, you know, from a frequency standpoint, we probably would have more officers involved with the mental health and addiction side of it. 436 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,000 And then to a last year degree and certainly becoming even more diminishing. 437 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,000 Court host security and court host appearances on behalf of police. 438 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:30,000 So what you're really saying then is from the mental health and addictions because we're a schedule one. 439 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:37,000 Hospital, which is uncommon for perhaps a community our size. 440 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,000 You'll still be able to to assist in that regard. 441 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000 I guess that's a problem we've seen. 442 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000 Is that exactly the case? 443 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000 Yes, sir. You were so absolutely. 444 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000 Just on that note alone. 445 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000 The fact that officers have to attend here in court regularly. 446 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000 That's officers coming to town. 447 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000 In the fact that for the mental health aspect at the hospital. 448 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000 This is where officers in here in county bring those required treatment here as well. 449 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,000 So officers will be coming here from other parts of the county. 450 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000 As they always have in relation to those. 451 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000 Those processes as well. 452 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000 Okay, any other questions? 453 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000 One more for councilor. 454 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,000 He likes to have lots of questions. 455 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,000 I have lots of questions always. 456 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,000 So any change to community relations or community education. 457 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:40,000 We have a really some really great officers that have done some fantastic education in the school system and the medical system. 458 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000 Any changes at all? 459 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000 Yes, as a matter of fact, I think for the better. 460 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,000 We've something that I've through the last act in the attachment commander. 461 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,000 Something that I've established in Perth is we actually have a community safety unit. 462 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,000 That that that integrates our media officer, community service officer, 463 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000 our mobilization officer and our school officer. 464 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,000 And that's something that we're moving forward with to try and streamline. 465 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000 I actually bridge gaps within that. 466 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000 I'm a big proponent of officers in the schools. 467 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,000 School of Prisolant officers. 468 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,000 I recognize, you know, something like Jamie Stanley's been an integral part of this community. 469 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,000 And then you had to provide support and further some of those things as well. 470 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,000 So these are things that have done in other areas where I've worked. 471 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,000 And I am very community minded. 472 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,000 And I know the benefits of that and that's the importance of what we do. 473 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000 Okay. 474 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000 Deputy Mayor Murdoch, your mic is on. 475 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,000 If there's no more questions. 476 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000 Thank you very much. 477 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,000 We really appreciate your time coming up to Godwitch tonight. 478 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,000 And we look forward to working with you in the future. 479 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000 Thank you. 480 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,000 Through you. 481 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,000 Thank you very much. 482 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,000 And I certainly enjoyed my time here so far. 483 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,000 And I don't plan on going anywhere unless the person I report to and 484 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000 really has says otherwise. 485 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,000 So. 486 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000 Thank you very much. 487 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000 And I appreciate it. 488 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,000 Council. 489 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,000 I'm wondering if we could have make a motion for a recommendation. 490 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:20,000 That we do enter into a section 10 for a four year contract. 491 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000 We would bring a by-law forward. 492 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,000 Once we pass this motion for council's consideration at the next meeting. 493 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,000 But it would be section 10 four years with no enhancement. 494 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:42,000 One sergeant in the detachment administrative clerk. 495 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,000 By maintaining section 10 to the contract the town police services board will continue to meet with the 496 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:53,000 detachment commander and municipal and provincial representatives the mayor and the CAO. 497 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,000 That would be the recommendation that we're asking council to approve tonight. 498 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,000 That we would bring back a motion to reflect that not a motion. 499 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,000 A by-law to reflect that at the next meeting for council's consideration. 500 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000 Do you need a motion? 501 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000 No. 502 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,000 So. 503 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000 Okay. 504 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,000 So moved by Deputy Mayor Murdoch seconded by councilor Tammy. 505 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000 Any other questions in regards to this motion? 506 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,000 So come back in a by-law for your consideration two weeks. 507 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,000 All in favor. 508 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,000 Carry. 509 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000 Thank you, council. 510 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000 If we could ask. 511 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000 Got ease on as well. 512 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:51,000 Okay. 513 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,000 We're on to nine correspondence received for information. 514 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000 Can I have someone move it, please? 515 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000 Can I have someone move it? 516 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,000 Councillor Thompson? 517 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000 Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 518 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,000 The correspondence received for information. 519 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,000 And that's from 9.1 to 9.10. 520 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:19,000 Anything in there that you need to discuss or you had a question on? 521 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000 Deputy Mayor. 522 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000 That's a question. 523 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000 Just a comment. 524 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000 I guess. 525 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,000 And that is in regards to 9.7. 526 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,000 And Hemsanna, which is on Parsons Court. 527 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:39,000 Just that they've applied for cannabis license in terms of processing. 528 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,000 And I just thought people should be aware of that. 529 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000 Okay. 530 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,000 Thank you very much for letting that. 531 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,000 Anything else? 532 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000 If not. 533 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000 All in favor. 534 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000 Carry. 535 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000 The correspondence received in the recommended action. 536 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000 Note it. 537 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,000 Move by. 538 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 Move by. 539 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,760 My Councillor Thompson, seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdoch, that the correspondence items be received for 540 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:21,180 information and the noted action be approved. And that's from 10.1, straight through to 10.2. 541 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:59,960 Seeing hearing, no comments or hands, last chance council, okay, approved. 542 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:22,080 Okay, we're going to go back into 10.10, as that will require a separate motion for 543 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:30,800 sign-in authority for our new CAO. I figured that we should let her have some sign-in authority. So if I can have 544 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:39,840 someone move that it's a memo from our treasurer dated January 2nd regarding sign-in authority of the CAO. So moved by Councillor 545 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:50,440 Chairman, seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdoch. Fairly straight forward. All in favour? Carried. 546 01:01:50,440 --> 01:02:09,200 Now we'll go on to resolutions from other municipalities? No. 12. 12. Unfinished business. 12.1 is 547 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:20,080 got a memorial arena, still outstanding. 12.2, harbour discussions in a GPMC, which we will have during 548 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:32,360 closed and some open later on in the meeting. 12.3, Dominic, and I'm suggesting that maybe if staff could 549 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:39,840 bring back a recommendation, a motion for the next council and we can put this to bed and move on. 550 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:53,360 Would that be appropriate? So that will come back in a motion for the next council? I think we moved it to the strategic 551 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:59,560 planning session. I thought we resolved it, so that we would bring it back, but there's 552 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:07,160 not a motion here tonight with a recommendation of staff, so I'd ask staff to bring it back and 553 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:23,320 we'll get on with it. I think that's the right way to go. 12.4 is that that will all come in 554 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:49,040 in closed session. 12.5, we've dealt with. 13.5 laws and agreements. And if Councillor Donnelly. 555 01:03:49,040 --> 01:04:00,080 Where, before we leave 12, 12.4, request to God's port management corporation to disclose to 556 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:10,480 the town, the amount paid by GPMC since March 24, 2015, to the solicitors for negotiating the 557 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:21,960 revised OEM contract, pending a waiting response from GPMC. Why is that necessarily enclosed? 558 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:29,400 Yes, it doesn't have to be that that person will be in the open person when we talk about GPMC, and 559 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:37,960 I think there will be a further motion reflecting another scenario with that. Is that information available? 560 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,160 It is not available as of yet. We have not received that documentation. 561 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:51,400 Well, I'd be right in suggesting this, but that request was made about about the 6th of December, 562 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:59,400 and it remains outstanding as there have been any response of any kind. No response, no response. 563 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:07,400 And I write in suggesting this that our own clerk or an art treasure, I guess, was requested 564 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:17,720 to check and see what we had paid for our legal advice, and that was made available to us overnight. 565 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:22,240 That's correct. Yes. Do you draw any inference from that, Mr. Mayor? 566 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,640 Yes, I do. 567 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:33,800 Well, I have for a long time held this position. The people elected me to do two things. 568 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:40,160 They want me to think, and they want me to speak, and I have been thinking what I've been here, 569 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:48,600 and I've deliberately decided not to speak about this GPMC for the moment. 570 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:54,400 I'd say three or four times in the past. I've been going to speak, and I delayed it, 571 01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:01,000 because I did not wish to imperial and even negotiations that were in progress. 572 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:10,600 But I feel an obligation A to speak and B to speak at an opportune time in my judgment, 573 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,120 and I will do so. Thank you. 574 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,120 Thank you, Councillor. 575 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:40,680 Thank you again, Councillor. They have acknowledged the receipt of that, and they are going 576 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,560 to send us something, and we will follow up on it first thing in the morning. Thank you. 577 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,160 But they haven't acknowledged the request. 578 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:58,360 Tell me, why isn't necessary once they concluded negotiation has been made, as I understand this 579 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:06,800 to be, because the completed document has been given to us. This is the end product of five years 580 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,840 work. Why does that have to be in close session? 581 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:17,240 Is that not public information, and if there's an explanation to be made as to the content 582 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:24,280 and meaning of the document, is the public not A, have a right of disclosure, and B, a right 583 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:29,160 of transparency to know what's in there? 584 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:36,600 Yes, and I think we should be in open. I think there may be a few details in the negotiation portion 585 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:42,000 that our solicitor is suggesting that he gave you that information enclosed, but the general 586 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,440 discussion and all the information before us will come out into open. 587 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,440 Well, but it's up to council. 588 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:58,280 I want to make this point abundantly clear. I will not be muscled by some allegation that I sat back 589 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:03,800 and let this develop under a bed sheet here where people couldn't see it, and then I'm 590 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,520 going to be told, well, we all get under the bed sheet. Nobody can tell what happened under 591 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,920 there. Don't let you cannot discuss this because it's confidential information. I say, let 592 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:24,680 us avoid that kind of a discussion and do it out in public where the people have a right to know. 593 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:32,800 If there are some specific items that are said to be confidential of that nature, they can 594 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:39,280 stand aside for the moment. We can be told what they are and if there's justification for 595 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:46,560 the closed session on the basis of that information, I'll agree to it. Otherwise, my position is 596 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:54,960 public information, transparency, accountability, five years work. The council are entitled to 597 01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,720 know what happened, but no more so than the public. Thank you. Absolutely, I agree. 598 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,440 That's the end of the closed session, then. Let's get on with it. 599 01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:12,400 Okay. Thank you. We are at bylaws and bylaws too of 2020. 600 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:15,680 Where am I? 601 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:19,680 Got me off course. 602 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:41,840 Okay. Bylaws 1, bylaws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. If I, if you could, I won't even read it, you can move it all. 603 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,880 Thank you. Let me go back to the picture. 604 01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:59,840 I would move that bylaws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. Of 2020, be introduced and read for 605 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:07,840 first time. Seconded by council for Tammy. All in favor. 606 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:15,120 Okay. Bylaw 1 of 2020, be in a bylaw to set various fees for the corporation of the town of 607 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:22,720 Goddardch and to repeal bylaw number 1111 of 2019. The purpose of this bylaw is to update schedule F, storm 608 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:29,360 and sanitary sewer rates and schedule G water rates to reflect the increase in rates from 2019 to 2020. 609 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:34,160 And to add schedule N, plumbing and septic rates due to the download of responsibility from the 610 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:39,760 here in county health unit to the lower tiers. Bylaw 2 of 2020, be in a bylaw to adopt the county of 611 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:45,680 here on 2020 annual accessibility plan. The purpose of this bylaws to adopt the county of here on 2020 612 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:51,200 annual accessibility plan is the town of Goddardch's part of the here in county accessibility advisory committee 613 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:56,960 and is required to do the accessibility for Ontarians and disabilities act to prepare and publish 614 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,720 an annual accessibility plan. Bylaw 3 of 2020, be in a bylaw to authorize the mayor and clerk to 615 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:08,320 execute and affix the corporate seal to a contractual agreement for a retail market study in the town of 616 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,840 Goddardch by Urban Metrics Inc. The purpose of this bylaw is to undertake a retail market study 617 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:20,720 in relation to a forthcoming commercial redevelopment application for 414 and 436 here on road and as a 618 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:26,480 pre-condition for a complete planning application. The town requires a professional retail market study 619 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:32,640 that will independently evaluate the anticipated impacts of new or additional commercial development. 620 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:39,120 Bylaw 4 of 2020, be in a bylaw to provide for interim tax levies for the year 2020 for the corporation 621 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,600 in the town of Goddardch. The purpose of this bylaw is to issue interim tax levies in 622 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,360 to establish the 2020 due dates for taxes. Bylaw 5 of 2020, be in a bylaw to strike 623 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:56,320 uncollectable real-t commercial industrial and BIA taxes from the tax roll for the year's 2017, 2018 624 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:02,160 and 2019. The purpose of this bylaw is to remove uncollectable real-t commercial industrial and BIA 625 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:09,920 taxes from the roll for 2017, 2018 and 2019 due to assessment changes. Bylaw 6 of 2020, be in a bylaw 626 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,680 the corporation of the town of Goddardch authorizing the borough wing of money to meet current 627 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:18,160 expenditures of the council of the town of Goddardch. The purpose of this bylaw is to allow the 628 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:24,320 municipality to borrow $4.1 million dollars if required for the payment of various expenses 629 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:31,120 until the taxes in other revenues are collected. Bylaw 7 of 2020, be in a bylaw to of the corporation 630 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,320 of the town of Goddardch authorizing the municipality to utilize the direct electronic funds transfer 631 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:42,000 service offered by a BIMO bank of Montreal. The purpose of this bylaw is to allow the town of Goddardch 632 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,040 to continue to transfer money electronically through the bank of Montreal. Bylaw 8 of 2020, 633 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:53,360 be in a bylaw to appoint a plumbing and on-site septic services inspector for the town of Goddardch. 634 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:59,360 The purpose of this bylaw is to appoint Larry Fulton as a plumbing and on-site services inspector for 635 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:05,200 the town of Goddardch. Bylaw 9 of 2020, be in a bylaw to authorize the widening of part of Benet Street. 636 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,600 The purpose of this bylaw is to dedicate and use land as a highway that was acquired through 637 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:16,000 registration to widen Benet Street and that involves Dagny and Richard Hauss. Bylaw 10 of 2020, 638 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,720 be in a bylaw to authorize the widening of part of Benet Street. The purpose of this bylaw is to 639 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,600 dedicate and use land as a highway that was to acquire through registration to widen Benet Street 640 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:34,400 under the name Robert Kevin McAwing. Bylaw 11 of 2020, be in a bylaw to repeal bylaw 8 of 2019 641 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,320 and to confirm the various appointments of layzons, committees and boards for the corporation's 642 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,200 town of Goddardch. The purpose of this bylaw is to update various changes to certain committees and 643 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:49,120 boards. Bylaw 12 of 2020, be in a bylaw respecting construction, demolition, change of use and 644 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:56,560 inspection, and to repeal bylaw number 25 of 2007 and bylaw 42 of 2010. The purpose of this bylaw 645 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:03,120 is to update the building bylaw to include plumbing and septic services. Bylaw 13 of 2020, be in a bylaw 646 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,960 to establish a policy for non-union management employees with regards to time often loo and to repeal bylaw 647 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:14,640 15 of 2013. The purpose of this bylaw is to implement a new time off in loo policy. 648 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,400 Taking us ready to first test. Seconded by. 649 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:36,960 Counselor Donnelly, all in favor. Okay. I would move that bylaws 121213 of 2020. Be ready to 650 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,400 second time. Seconded by. Counselor Donnelly, all in favor. Carry. 651 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,840 Bylaw 1212, be in a bylaw to set various fees for the corporation of the town of Goddardch and to 652 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:58,160 repeal bylaw 1111 of 2019. Bylaw 1220, be in a bylaw to adopt the county of here on 2020 annual accessibility plan. 653 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,000 In a by-law to authorize the mayor and clerk to execute and affix the corporate seal to a contractual agreement for retail market study in the town of 654 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:15,000 Gaudertch by Urban Metrics Inc. By law 4 of 2020 being a by-law to provide for in-term tax 655 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:21,000 Letties for the year 2020 for the corporation the town of Gaudertch by law 5 of 2020 being a by-law to strike 656 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:29,000 Uncollectable, Realty, Commercial, Industrial, NBIA taxes from the tax roll for the year's 2017-2018-2019 657 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:36,000 By-law 6 of 2020 being a by-law of the corporation the town of Gaudertch authorizing the borrowing of money to meet current 658 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,000 expenditures of the council of the corporation of the town of Gaudertch. By-law 7 of 2020 being a by-law of the 659 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:48,000 corporation the town of Gaudertch authorizing the municipality to utilize the direct electronic funds transfer service offered by 660 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:55,000 Bemo Bank Montreal by-law 8 of 2020 being a by-law to a point a plumbing and onsite septic services inspector 661 01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:03,000 For the town of Gaudertch by-law 9 of 2020 being a by-law to authorize the widening of part of benestreet by-law 10 of 2020 being a by-law 662 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:10,000 By-law 11 of 2020 being a by-law to repeal by-law 81 of 2019 and to confirm the very 663 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:17,000 Supplement of Laezons committees and boards for the corporation the town of Gaudertch by-law 12 of 2020 being a by-law 664 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:27,000 Respecting Construction, Demolition, Change of Use and Inspection into repeal by-law number 25 of 665 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:37,000 2017 and by-law 42 of 2010 by-law 13 of 2020 being a by-law to establish a policy for non-unimamagement 666 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:42,000 Employees with regards to time-off and lieu and to repeal by-law 15 of 2013. 667 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,000 Taking this for a second time. 668 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,000 Seconded by. 669 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,000 Councilor Thompson. 670 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000 All in favor. 671 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,000 Carry. 672 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,000 Questions? 673 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,000 Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 674 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 675 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:07,000 With regards to by-law number 5 referring to relating to uncollectable accounts. 676 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:15,000 From what I can see, it looks like there's $11,000 of uncollectable 677 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:21,000 Accounts is that correct? 678 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000 That's just not the municipal portion. 679 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,000 She's got the county as well in the school boards. 680 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,000 Municipal portion on that is 45. 681 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,000 Okay. 682 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:44,000 So then my next question would be because we budget our tax rate to collect that entire revenue. 683 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,000 Have we built into it then a loss factor or an uncollectable factor? 684 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:56,000 And how does that compare to the amount set aside per the budget? 685 01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,000 In the budget, we had 70,000 for right-offs as an expense. 686 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,000 So we budget the entire tax revenue. 687 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,000 And then we do have an allocation of 70,000 for right-offs that occur during the year. 688 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,000 We try and estimate, but it's very different. 689 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,000 So that would be below the norm then. 690 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,000 Yes. 691 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,000 It would seem given that we budgeted 70. 692 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:25,000 So for the next thing would be from a comparability factor would be as compared to last year or prior years. 693 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,000 I don't have that bigger with me. 694 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,000 I can certainly provide that. 695 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,000 No, I just I just thought the public should be aware that. 696 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:40,000 It fluctuates based on what request reconsideration come forward from property owners and any right-offs, 697 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,000 demolitions. 698 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,000 It really fluctuates year to year. 699 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,000 Thank you. 700 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000 Any other questions on the violence? 701 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,000 Before we have the final. 702 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000 My question was regards to 13.8. 703 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:04,000 And it was the by-law to a point of plumbing and on-site septic services inspector for the town of 704 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000 Godarch. 705 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,000 Understanding what we were doing this in conjunction with another municipality. 706 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000 I think it was Ashburn Colbert and Walmanosh. 707 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,000 Did we come to an agreement on what percentage they were going to pay or how that split was going to work? 708 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,000 I'll ask to see you. 709 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,000 Dance to the question. 710 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,000 Through your worship. 711 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:30,000 We had actually had discussions previously with ACW to enter into an agreement with for shared services 712 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,000 arrangement with ACW. 713 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:37,000 Unfortunately, we have made the decision not to enter into that agreement. 714 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:45,000 This we are entering into a one-year contract with Larry Fulton who is a previous plumbing inspector with the county health unit. 715 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:56,000 And he's agreed to work for the town for any inspections that would be pre planned for Tuesdays and Thursdays of each week. 716 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,000 Thank you. 717 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,000 Any other questions in the by-laws? 718 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000 If not. 719 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000 Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 720 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,000 Take it away. 721 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:11,000 I would move that by-laws. 722 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:17,000 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13, of 20, 20, 723 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000 be given a third and final reading. 724 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:27,000 And the Mayor and the clerk, be in our hereby authorized and instructed to sign the same in place the corporate seal they are on to. 725 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000 Seconded by. 726 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,000 Councillor Holland. 727 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000 All in favor. 728 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:56,000 Carried. 729 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,000 14.1 has been previously dealt with. 730 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,000 We'll move on to 14.2. 731 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,000 Site plan agreement amendment. 732 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,000 And if I could ask the CEO to make a comment on it. 733 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,000 Thank you. 734 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,000 Your worship through you. 735 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,000 We've received a request. 736 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:23,000 This property for one 21 Huckens and one 41 Huckens was previously owned. 737 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:30,000 By Rob Serencent, it was under a number company of 2259915 Ontario Inc. 738 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,000 And it has been purchased by Upper Canada Kitchen and Bath Limited. 739 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:39,000 The site plan does indicate that it is transferable. 740 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,000 The site plan itself is transferable. 741 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:47,000 However, they have asked for an extension as their permits with the MTO. 742 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:53,000 We're looking at there's an extension requirement with the MTO for September 30th of 2020. 743 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:59,000 So that's why we're asking at this point in time for a site plan agreement amendment. 744 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:10,000 Motion to be made by Council tonight so that we can make an amendment specifically to the site plan agreement that speaks to the extension of the work that will not be carried out. 745 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:19,000 And that would coincide with the permits that would be dealt with through the MTO as well with the September 30th of 2020 date. 746 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,000 And this is the property that is owned by Rona. 747 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,000 So it's all in the same. 748 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:32,000 Two separate parcels by the principles of Rona. 749 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:38,000 Murray's Rona on Huckens Street, corner of Huckens and Bayfield Road. 750 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,000 Can I have a mover? 751 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:51,000 Oh, we have a mover in a second. 752 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,000 Through your worship, it's moved by Councillor Hoy and seconded by Councillor Taming. 753 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,000 That Council approve a Mending Site Plan agreement. 754 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,000 Between the town of Gaudert and 225915 Ontario Inc. 755 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,000 And 2631279 Ontario Inc. 756 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:20,000 To extend the termination of agreement clause to September the 2020 and that an amended site plan agreement be brought back to Council for consideration that a future council meeting. 757 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000 Any questions? 758 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,000 No questions? 759 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,000 All in favor. 760 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:40,000 We'll do a new and general business and then we're going to go to the GPMC discussions. 761 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000 We'll talk with that as soon as we're done with this. 762 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:48,000 Through you, worship upcoming meetings for viewing audience as well. 763 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,000 January the 14th, 2020 Gaudert Police Services Board meeting at 11 am in the Galt Room. 764 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,000 January the 14th of BIA will meet at 6 p.m. in the menace and Tung Room. 765 01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,000 January 15th, mid here in landfill, site board meet at 3 p.m. in the menace and Tung Room. 766 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,000 January the 15th, mid here in recycling center. 767 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,000 Board will meet at 330 p.m. in the menace and Tung Room. 768 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:12,000 January 23rd, community economic development committee meeting at 8 a.m. in the menace and Tung Room. 769 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,000 And our next council meeting is scheduled for January the 27th at 430 p.m. here in the council chambers. 770 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000 Thank you. 771 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,000 Any meetings that we may have missed? 772 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,000 If not, I would. 773 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,000 I think it would be my obligation. 774 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,000 We're going to now start the discussions about GPMC. 775 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:41,000 But it's my obligation to ask our solicitor if he felt that there was any. 776 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,000 Specific need that we had to go into closed. 777 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:52,000 And if not, we would stay and open and we would move into those discussions. 778 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,000 I'll ask Greg Stewart or a solicitor for comment. 779 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,000 Yes, through you worship. 780 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,000 There likely isn't. 781 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:07,000 What you've got is a product that we have brought back for council's consideration. 782 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:12,000 And based on instructions given to us before to negotiate. 783 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000 And that is. 784 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000 That's a debate that you go on in public. 785 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000 There's no question about that. 786 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:23,000 The only area where there could be some variance from that is if. 787 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,000 We got into some discussion of. 788 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,000 Negotiation procedures or. 789 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000 It's instructions to go back for matters of negotiation. 790 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:39,000 Sometimes you want those in close because you don't particularly want the person 791 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,000 negotiating was sitting watching you develop your strategy. 792 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,000 But I don't as it sits now. 793 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,000 I don't see anything in this that needs to be in a close session. 794 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,000 Okay, very good. 795 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,000 Thank you very much. 796 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:57,000 So we will stay and open for these discussions. 797 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:07,000 I think to lead it off if I could ask Larry McCabe or. 798 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:12,000 I'll ask Larry McCabe to come up and start the discussions and give us a little bit a 799 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,000 history of of of GPMC and. 800 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,000 And then we're going to start into a full discussion. 801 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,000 Where we need to be and. 802 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000 And we're at today. 803 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,000 Not that I don't want to do that. 804 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,000 I had prepared something if required. 805 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,000 But I would think that maybe the solicitor should maybe for the public. 806 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,000 Bring up the date. 807 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,000 I think he had a memo that included on the agenda historically. 808 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,000 What do you think go shading group did with. 809 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,000 Yeah. 810 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,000 I thought. 811 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,000 And purposely I thought that it might be a little better if you lead off. 812 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,000 You're going to talk about the negotiation stages. 813 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,000 That's fine. 814 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,000 That's fine. 815 01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,000 If you would. 816 01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,000 I would. 817 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,000 I'd do a clock this afternoon. 818 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000 Okay. 819 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000 Just one second. 820 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,000 Councillor Dolly. 821 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,000 As for mayor of the background of this is. 822 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,000 I think on seven occasions and I can give you the dates. 823 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,000 If anybody wants and I have them here. 824 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,000 From from 1950 or 2015 forward. 825 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,000 On seven occasions I've given a written memorandum. 826 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,000 Address to the mayor and the council and so on. 827 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,000 And none of those have ever been answered in any specific terms. 828 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,000 To go through and say ABC and D. 829 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000 And my. 830 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,000 Problem with what we're doing is this. 831 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,000 This council. 832 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:48,000 Doesn't have the experience background that. 833 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,000 Some of us senior members have. 834 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,000 But we were here for when these things happened. 835 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000 And I think it's a disadvantage to them. 836 01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,000 To be not fully instructed or fully informed. 837 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,000 And to inform them early. 838 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,000 It's like writing something on the wind. 839 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,000 If somebody's going to come in here and say I've. 840 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000 Get written a letter with 12 points in it. 841 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,000 There should be a letter come back. 842 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,000 We're doing with those 12 points. 843 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,000 So that the people can get a grasp of what they're doing. 844 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000 And in these circumstances. 845 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,000 It's so easy to throw a covering blanket over something. 846 01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,000 With a few casual words and move on to something else. 847 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,000 And that's taken care of. 848 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,000 Nobody remembers what it was tomorrow morning. 849 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,000 And my own view is this. 850 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,000 And the other thing too is. 851 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,000 This format if it's going to be useful. 852 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,000 But I suggested was. 853 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,000 But I think it's a letter. 854 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,000 I'll stand corrected. 855 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,000 If I didn't give it to Andrea. 856 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,000 But I did write the letter. 857 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,000 I'm not just a note. 858 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:59,000 But it said this that the. 859 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:04,000 Have the solicitor tell us two things. 860 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,000 A. 861 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,000 What he sees as a demunition of our rights. 862 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000 There's something we're losing. 863 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000 And B. 864 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,000 Are there areas of risk. 865 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000 This. 866 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,000 Could be interpreted this way in that way. 867 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,000 It's all very well to say the document says this. 868 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,000 But the courts are full of people who say what did it mean. 869 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,000 Not what did it say. 870 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,000 And if we had this in writing. 871 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,000 I think this council could educate itself. 872 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,000 And could make a final decision. 873 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,000 But to come in here. 874 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,000 And just load tons of information on them. 875 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,000 It's a contract. 876 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,000 I don't. 877 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,000 I didn't bother to count the pages. 878 01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,000 But if you read the contract in the exhibits. 879 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000 There's probably 60 or 70 pages. 880 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,000 A very difficult sletting. 881 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,000 And the other thing. 882 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000 Just as an ordinary matter of courtesy. 883 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,000 I'm speaking to something that's a profound importance, it might be wise to listen to me. 884 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:24,000 Thank you. I think we will proceed with Mr. McKay, and then we would ask our solicitor to chronologically bring this forward through the negotiations. 885 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:32,000 Not all of us have been here. I miss four years of it. Some are just brand new to the game. 886 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:41,000 So we will try to do our best to give as much information as possible to everyone, and then we will move forward. 887 01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:47,000 But Mr. McKay, if you could please address council at this time. 888 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:54,000 Well, if Mr. McKay was going to read from a document, what's wrong with instructing him to file a way less as well? 889 01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:03,000 I was going to do that. I put together a brief history, so this is just background. It does not give any recommendations. 890 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:12,000 It sort of brings you from some of the things that you wanted to hear that I was asked to present with regards to history. I apologize for late. I just finished it to a thought this afternoon. 891 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:19,000 I will hand it out, and there should be sufficient copies for council members, and maybe some left over. 892 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:42,000 What I did in the weekend is, and previously think about a number of things I've said to council in the past concerning the harbor. 893 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:49,000 But I thought I should put some key points of the brief history of the port since I've been involved with it. 894 01:31:49,000 --> 01:32:03,000 And I started in 1985 to 1989, and you've heard some of this before, but we'll try to put it very quickly in context of where this port's come from in the last X number of years, starting in about 1985. 895 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:16,000 And the period of 1985, the 1989, I'm a period of which the port was one of 300 local regional ports, and it was owned by the federal government under the transport can of jurisdiction. 896 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:26,000 The federal government received all the revenues from these ports in the form of dockage and war feed and per time fee on shipping as determined by transport can. 897 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:43,000 The company of the day that paid most of those war feed was Dom TAR, and Dom TAR always felt and later siftled that they paid to high fees to them, and that's a part of the fact that later on how we got to some of this. 898 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:47,000 The cost incurred by transport can of low further research was approximately 20 million. 899 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,000 I'm referring to to give you an idea that the types of dollars that have been spent overall. 900 01:32:52,000 --> 01:33:03,000 Dom TAR indicated and negotiated with transport can of the back in the period of 1985 to 89, where they indicated that they wanted to put separate loading facilities on the north side. 901 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:12,000 And the federal government at that time started dredging or entered into a contract, and I think the figure I heard was 20 million. 902 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:22,000 We were not part of that, that was the conservative government of the time that proceeded to put a C-weight facility on the north side that exists. 903 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,000 That's where the infilling is occurring now. 904 01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,000 Dom TAR did not proceed with the loading spout. 905 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,000 There might have been changes of the company at that time. 906 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:38,000 They were sold to a company called George Harrison Associates and later sold to campus minerals. 907 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,000 But whether those were factors, I'm just trying to indicate some of the things that we're talked about. 908 01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:51,000 But we had limited involvement with the town, but we did enter some discussions when we saw there are two ways of getting rid of dredge material. 909 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,000 The cheapest way is to take dredging and dump it in the lake. 910 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,000 That's an approval process, and that's very acceptable. 911 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:03,000 However, there is another way of bringing that silt sand and stone through pipe. 912 01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:10,000 And I believe that the deputy mayor was there, the mayor and staff, where you attended a few weeks ago to make the Veloconservation Authority. 913 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:18,000 And they showed a picture of that pipe that was from the area north of Sifto, right to the coal. 914 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,000 That's how the coal was created. 915 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,000 The town entered the picture and negotiated with transport. 916 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,000 And they actually changed the contract and said we will pump it down there. 917 01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,000 That was the beginning of the coal and the development of the coal. 918 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:35,000 In 1995 the 1999 was also four years of discussions. 919 01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,000 There was a national marine act that was presented by the transport candidate. 920 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:46,000 It never passed, but section nine of that act did change the protocol. 921 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:51,000 The federal, the provincial, the municipal private was a normal protocol. 922 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,000 It's still followed by the province in the feds of many areas. 923 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:59,000 But somehow section nine of that proposed legislation changed the situation. 924 01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:06,000 That's where Sifto of the day came in and thought or felt they could own the port because they were large revenue. 925 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:14,000 The town, many, many locations met and that was sort of a lack of an agreement or disagreement 926 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,000 between Sifto and Canada for years. 927 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:24,000 And ultimately there was a meeting which I mentioned before with the federal government looked at both Sifto and the town and said 928 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,000 The town will not own the port and Sifto will not own the port unless you have an agreement. 929 01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:39,000 And that was the basis of the and also the announcement of those fees of Sifto and the users would be increased by 15% in November of 1999 930 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,000 for 30% in in the spring of the year 2000. 931 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:47,000 So that really brought the town and Sifto together. 932 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:55,000 The asking price which was confidential at time was 7.5 million I believe it was. 933 01:35:55,000 --> 01:36:03,000 We sat down with Sifto, Sifto, Sifto, Roland Howell, Hamilton, myself, previous mayor of Merissue felt. 934 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,000 I can't hudder of the day and commissioner works. 935 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,000 And we came up with a $29 million program. 936 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:14,000 And we presented that to the feds and said this port needs $29 million. 937 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:19,000 There was only 20,000 put in the port between 1995 and 1999. 938 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:28,000 And the money that was taken from this port I think it was something fees of 2.5 million were paid by Sifto alone to the feds were put into other port. 939 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:34,000 That was the system keeping the national ports of the local regional ports. 940 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:44,000 So we actually drove the purchase price down and those discussions cooperatively with Sifto to $650,000 based in there would be a $29 million program. 941 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:50,000 That's the program you've heard about from 1999 to the year 2017 or 2018. 942 01:36:51,000 --> 01:37:04,000 And that's listed on the next page as the break walls which were done in the latter years because of the amount of money that was required so that funds in the infrastructure build up in that regard. 943 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:19,000 And the agreement was arrived by the two parties and approved by transport representing the queen we all heard that quite often and Sifto paid back to town on 12 monthly installments of $650,000 in the year 2000. 944 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:37,000 The sale was completed in November of the 11th, 1999 and a $29 million infrastructure program was put in the place which was included as I mentioned around 2018 and 2019, which saw the completion of that bridge as I've mentioned before. 945 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:50,000 In 2012 and I believe this is the crux of the concerns in the agreement that started and rightly so I think to a degree of council on the in others. 946 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:59,000 Where we entered into a 2000 and 12 agreement perhaps predicated on a new operation management and agreement. 947 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:13,000 And which time it was agreed that 16 million MTO money and bear in mind it was the town staff and council of the day that secured that money and our member of provincial parliament. 948 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:23,000 Carol Mitchell who was our member at that time secured those funds to be added with the $32 million that compass would pay to create 20 acres of land. 949 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:37,000 I don't know if history repeats itself or circumstances repeat themselves but it was always said that Sifto at a point in time or compass at this time would have to look at it and see if that made a business sense and I guess they did and it didn't. 950 01:38:37,000 --> 01:39:01,000 They had the right to pull out of the 2012 agreement clearly and we proceeded on the municipality did with the port corporation in completing $16 million worth of work which is just completed this year which is the five acres of in filled land in the north which was part of the original C-way depth port. 951 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:12,000 It wasn't all lost it was actually the very important that the federal government paid that money and spent that money and contracted to get that C-way depth on the north side. 952 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:27,000 The conditions would have created 20 acres but I didn't have time to go back and see the exact wording but compass would have had eight months of exclusive use of the 20 acres. 953 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:37,000 What you have now at least it's in my opinion maybe it's only five acres but you have five acres that the town can determine what happens with that property. 954 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:47,000 The five acres would be least along with other leases that you have and that money would go into the waterfront reserve fund if council decides to continue that process. 955 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:55,000 The benefit now is that the five acres of land is available it can be marketed by both the town and the GPMC. 956 01:39:55,000 --> 01:40:05,000 The proposed operation management agreement has been well explained to the town and negotiated between town representatives as directed by council and compass minerals. 957 01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:14,000 This is getting into the part of what the solicitors summarized that the town received under the new agreement the 2020 agreement if it should be 2020 or whatever date. 958 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:33,000 An additional $100,000 immediately to the waterfront reserve on top of the leases on top of the current money going in which should be in the treasure competitor explained around $300,000 going in to the waterfront reserve annually with this 100,000 included in that figure. 959 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:38,000 The town were saved $500,000 representing the reimbursement and I think this is key. 960 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:43,000 I'm sure the treasure department loses a little sleep when I was your CEO. 961 01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:51,000 I was too that we had to proceed and council made the right decision and proceeded on with the construction and reconstruction of South Harbour Road. 962 01:40:52,000 --> 01:41:01,000 That had to be done. It was a 160 year old storm sewer. It was completely breaking down and that is a receivable on the town's books right now. 963 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:12,000 And in the first five years of the program that's in the agreement then that would be reimbursed in the first year in fact in the 2020 to wipe that receivable off. 964 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:20,000 The North Harbour Road is projected to be completed in the year 2023 if you looked at the schedule to an amount of $2.5 million. 965 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,000 And stock harbour is in that to be rehabilitated. 966 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:28,000 Consumer price index will apply in the fourth year I believe it was of the agreement. 967 01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:36,000 There will be ongoing capital provided infrastructure funds for the corporation each year corporation being the town. 968 01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:46,000 And the key is that there's no local tax dollars will be required other than the commitment for the South throat previously agreed upon, which we said we would pay a portion of that. 969 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:50,000 And projects were never considered to be part. 970 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:54,000 And I think this is key and just to jump backwards a little bit. 971 01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:03,000 It was always very emphatic of compass as sift of the day that the portlands existed and then there were the greater portlands. 972 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:13,000 And no money other than the waterfront reserve allocations that were going in and agreed upon in the leases at that time would be expanded from the port fees. 973 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,000 And they were adam about that. 974 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:19,000 But what you have in the 2020 agreement is something different. 975 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,000 You have projects that just mentioned. 976 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:32,000 So if Harbour Road, North Harbour Road, which route side of the portlands are now being funded by the gorgeous portman and port corporation and fees. 977 01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,000 And just finalizing. 978 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:42,000 The town council continues to have authority to approve the GPMC annual budgets request or send it back that's under the current agreement. 979 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,000 The same as the proposed. 980 01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:53,000 The town will have two voting members on the GPMC board of management following the governance change, which will follow the approval of the OMMA that you will be considering. 981 01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,000 And all I'm just making a comment. 982 01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,000 It's not to be controversial. 983 01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000 I just thought that all that has been accomplished since 1985. 984 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:06,000 Percentive above details being accomplished through intense negotiations, not through an adversarial approach. 985 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,000 I don't think I think sometimes that's required. 986 01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,000 It may be required in this instance at the end of your further discussions. 987 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:18,000 But I did want to provide a history that showed you that it's been negotiated. 988 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,000 It's been good for the town. 989 01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,000 It's been good for industry. 990 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,000 Is it the best agreement? 991 01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:27,000 I think it's the best agreement that you've sent the individuals on behalf of the town to negotiate. 992 01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,000 I can answer questions later, but I think there probably will be a lot more set. 993 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,000 Thank you. 994 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,000 Thank you very much. 995 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000 Ms. McKay. 996 01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,000 Good seeing you again. 997 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,000 If I can ask our solicitor to. 998 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:46,000 Now if you could come up and sort of bring us through chronologically. 999 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:51,000 The negotiations over the last year or so. 1000 01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:59,000 And see where we stand and we will open it up for questions. 1001 01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:05,000 Excuse me through your worship. 1002 01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:11,000 I gave a summary and I'll just for the benefit of the public go through it. 1003 01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:15,000 Our last discussion of this with Council was on May 22. 1004 01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:23,000 On that occasion. 1005 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:32,000 Excuse me. 1006 01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:37,000 On that occasion we went through the agreement page by page. 1007 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:42,000 We received instructions from Council for a number of language changes. 1008 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,000 Words here and words there. 1009 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:51,000 And there were some specific issues that were sent away to address. 1010 01:44:51,000 --> 01:45:00,000 One was Council said that they wanted the CPI increase on the fees to start at the beginning of the agreement. 1011 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:19,000 The position of compass at that point is they didn't want it to start for six years. We were not in agreement on the term. We would prefer three persons on the board, but could live with two, those were the instructions. 1012 01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:27,000 And we were to ask for an additional $50,000 a year contribution to the Waterfront Reserve Fund. 1013 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:36,000 On June 17th of 2019, we met with GPMC and representatives of compass in Toronto. 1014 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:46,000 We came to a tentative agreement on the various minor language issues, and at the conclusion of that meeting there were three outstanding issues. 1015 01:45:46,000 --> 01:46:00,000 Through the discussions, the town increased their request for annual payments to the Waterfront Reserve Fund from $50,000 to $100,000 a year. 1016 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:07,000 The town wanted the CPI increases on fees and payments to begin at the beginning of the term of the agreement, 1017 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:17,000 and the town wanted a five-year term for the agreement with five-year renewals in the final end date in 2014. 1018 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:30,000 On August 9th of 2019, the position was conveyed by telephone from the GPMC lawyer on those issues. 1019 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:39,000 They said they would agree to the increase in contributions to the Waterfront Reserve Fund of $100,000, but they wanted them phased in. 1020 01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:48,000 The first payment would be $50,000 in 2020. The second increase would be $50,000 in 2022. 1021 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:58,000 And the CPI increase in the payments would not begin until 2021 on the first $50,000 and then on the whole $100,000 after that. 1022 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:13,000 They wanted annual CPI to commence on the fees in 2024 with a cap of 2% and they wanted an agreement to have a term to $20,000 with 10-year renewals after that. 1023 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:28,000 On August 13th, a advised GPMC Council that the town wanted the entire $100,000 increase in the contribution to the Waterfront Reserve Fund in 2020, not staggered. 1024 01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:41,000 On October 15th, there was a meeting with representatives of GPMC and Compass, and at that meeting there was an agreement on the outstanding issues as follows. 1025 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:50,000 The annual contribution by GPMC to the Waterfront Reserve Fund would increase by $100,000 per year starting in 2020. 1026 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:56,000 And that is reflected in Section 8.4.1 of the document. 1027 01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:08,000 Secondly, the fees payable by existing users may be increased annually by CPI commencing in 2024 subject to an annual cap at 1.5%. 1028 01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:20,000 That is in Section 2.7.1. The annual contribution of $100,000 will increase by CPI starting in 2021. 1029 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:33,000 And the initial term of the agreement would run until December 31st, 2040 with 10-year renewals thereafter, and that's reflected in Section 4.4.1 of the draft. 1030 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:48,000 On October 17th of 2019 Council advises Council for GPMC advise that GPMC directors and members were all in agreement with those three items. 1031 01:48:48,000 --> 01:49:00,000 And that the governance change from three to two or from no members to two members for the town would start with the commencement of the OMM agreement. 1032 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:17,000 Those are the instructions that I was given in May. Those are the results based on those items that were those are the three items that I was left with as a result of our discussions on May 22nd and told to go back and negotiate. 1033 01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:34,000 And those are the results from those discussions. We have provided to you a draft of an agreement that has come out of these negotiations. It is detailed obviously. 1034 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:45,000 It is the document that we went through on May 22nd with the suggested changes and reflecting those three items that we've come back with. 1035 01:49:45,000 --> 01:50:00,000 We're presenting that to you this evening and asking for your instructions as to how you want to deal with it. Do you want to answer questions? 1036 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,000 We can debate this evening. I require your instructions as to how you wish to go forward with it. 1037 01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:19,000 We will open it up for questions and discussions. Council. Have you got any questions of either the solicitor or Mr. McCabe at this time? 1038 01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,000 Council. 1039 01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:35,000 I'm a little unclear before we start this. What kind of questions we can ask you because we're in open. Can we ask you why you came to a decision? 1040 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:39,000 Like, what was the reasoning behind that? Is that acceptable? 1041 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:42,000 Behind depends on what you're asking me. 1042 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,000 Okay. 1043 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:50,000 Say for instance, the appointment of the two individuals. How is it you arrived at two as opposed to three? How did that necessarily? 1044 01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,000 Good discussion go. 1045 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,000 The cap of the CPI of the one and a half. 1046 01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:58,000 Where did that come from? 1047 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,000 Those are fair questions. 1048 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:09,000 The two we had initially asked for three. The offer that came back was two. 1049 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:20,000 When I was here on May 22nd my instructions going away were asked for three but we can live with two if we get these other things. 1050 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,000 We got these other things so we have come back with is two based on those instructions. 1051 01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:34,000 The one point five percent is something that GPMC came forward with. 1052 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:45,000 It was discussed among the staff that were there and they felt that looking at the way the economy is gone and with the cost of living that one point five percent is a cap of something they could live with. 1053 01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:48,000 That's how that developed. 1054 01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,000 Okay. Other counselors? 1055 01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:57,000 Counselor 10. 1056 01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000 Thinking of what you all said. 1057 01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:09,000 So on the CPI the cap is 1.5 so that's the max that they will ever pay or increase for the life of this degree. 1058 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,000 But if it's at one they would pay one. 1059 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:17,000 But if it's at three they would pay one point five. 1060 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,000 So just. 1061 01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:23,000 No that's a very fair question and. 1062 01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,000 Yeah. 1063 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,000 Counselor. 1064 01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,000 And then it could go down to one percent. 1065 01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,000 So there's always you're going to. 1066 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:45,000 All I can tell you is that among the staff that were there that was discussed and there was a comfort level with one point five. 1067 01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:50,000 That's how it came about. 1068 01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,000 Mr. McKay. 1069 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:57,000 If you go back to the original agreement you got to realize that what they're doing is identifying projects. 1070 01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:01,000 I think you're right to be nice to have a higher and have it floating. 1071 01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:07,000 But if you're back on the 29 million that was identified as the exact dollar amount required to do the works. 1072 01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:12,000 What you're going to have now each five years or ten years whatever is you'll be identifying the projects. 1073 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:16,000 The cost may go up the cost may go down to those projects. 1074 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,000 It was just felt based as Greg said on the economy. 1075 01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,000 Padding a one point five in would be. 1076 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,000 The sensible thing to do with regards to. 1077 01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,000 Saying well it's it's there's no little on it. 1078 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,000 I mean we could have argued two percent more. 1079 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,000 But if. 1080 01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,000 North Harbor road is two point five million. 1081 01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,000 Fine if it's three million the pork corporations going to pay anyways. 1082 01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,000 It's just a matter of how you lay out the projects and the time you have the money coming in. 1083 01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,000 So that was the reasoning we thought one point five was fair. 1084 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,000 Correct. 1085 01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:51,000 Taking in the other other projects in this deal is very important. 1086 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,000 Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 1087 01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,000 Yeah just a couple questions one one is. 1088 01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:04,000 I'm wondering about the. 1089 01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:12,000 One the legal fees relating to the solicitors and whether or not that that payment is forthcoming. 1090 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:20,000 On our behalf I'm I'm thinking and respect to to our solicitor because my understanding also is that. 1091 01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:28,000 GPMC paid the solicitor fees for on behalf of the you the other users of the board. 1092 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,000 And so I'm wondering whether or not that would be. 1093 01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:36,000 Is that commander this in any regard. 1094 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,000 Secondly. 1095 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:42,000 There's going to be an increase in fees. 1096 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,000 To my understanding. 1097 01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,000 The way I read it. 1098 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,000 Max of one point five percent. 1099 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000 That's true. 1100 01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:53,000 In any given year it doesn't have to be. 1101 01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,000 But then the question would be. 1102 01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:01,000 That's the cover the operating expenses of the corporation. 1103 01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:07,000 The excess of the fees would then go into an operating reserve fund. 1104 01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,000 From what I understand. 1105 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,000 Is that correct. 1106 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000 Answer the legal question might be. 1107 01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,000 I don't look at it quite that way. 1108 01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:19,000 I from the legal perspective. 1109 01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,000 They're paying anyways. 1110 01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:25,000 They're paying your legal bills and and they're paying ours. 1111 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:29,000 If you take the money from the waterfront reserve from which I think you can't. 1112 01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:32,000 You may not have charged that there. 1113 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,000 You may have charged it some other area. 1114 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:37,000 But you have you have controls of the waterfront reserve fund. 1115 01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,000 With regards to how you pay out of that fund as long as it's for the air. 1116 01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,000 I think you could argue that your legal bills could come out of that. 1117 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,000 And those funds come from the users. 1118 01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,000 With regards to their legal bills. 1119 01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,000 They'll come from the GPMC and they'll come for the funds of collecting the user fee too. 1120 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:58,000 So in my opinion, it's all user fees that you're paying those bills with. 1121 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,000 Your CPI question. 1122 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,000 I'm not clear on it but. 1123 01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:04,000 Can you just. 1124 01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:10,000 Well I thought I I read it in there that that the fees for war featured, 1125 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,000 etc. 1126 01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:18,000 You know, docking whatever else would be limited could be changed in a year. 1127 01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:22,000 But max at 1.5% based upon. 1128 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,000 On the CPI financing in the fourth year. Yes. 1129 01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:26,000 And the fourth year. 1130 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,000 But there's nothing saying that. 1131 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,000 God is part management corporation when they meet. 1132 01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,000 If they agree, they can change any of the programs. 1133 01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,000 Ultimately, any of the programs will have to be approved by this council in the form of the budget. 1134 01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,000 So it all has to come back to this council anyways. 1135 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,000 Okay. 1136 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,000 What about what we would like. 1137 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,000 We would like the expansion from five acres to. 1138 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:52,000 And that would have to be a discussion of the port management corporation. 1139 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:57,000 And that particular GPMC as to whether they would want to get involved right now. 1140 01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,000 It's excluded. 1141 01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,000 You've got the the five acres created. 1142 01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,000 What's they've done within the finances that we've mentioned before. 1143 01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:07,000 If you're going to ask the port corporation say they send their budget. 1144 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,000 We want another five acres. 1145 01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:10,000 That might be difficult. 1146 01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,000 But it could be a discussion at the GPMC level. 1147 01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:15,000 And you would have input at that level. 1148 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,000 Now you indicated also that. 1149 01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:23,000 The least the least leasing fees of the five acres of land. 1150 01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,000 Would go directly to the town. 1151 01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,000 Is that correct. 1152 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,000 Yes, and they'll come at more you heavy. 1153 01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:33,000 At least now it's paid thirty five thousand dollars per acre on the former can egg, 1154 01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,000 which is now owned by compass. 1155 01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:39,000 The blue away in the tornado, but they're still paying thirty five thousand dollars. 1156 01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,000 That goes into your waterfront reserve. 1157 01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,000 You're paying sixteen thousand five hundred dollars. 1158 01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:47,000 Is being received on the pair of Parisian handbecker because you own dock. 1159 01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:51,000 Nine chip dot five whatever you want to call it dot five. 1160 01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,000 Four. 1161 01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,000 You own that. 1162 01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,000 So you have money there. 1163 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,000 You have money coming from Dominique that's going into that research. 1164 01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,000 No, okay. 1165 01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:00,000 Yeah, good. 1166 01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:01,000 All that money is coming. 1167 01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:03,000 My thing is my thing is. 1168 01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:09,000 I would like to think that the the the port. 1169 01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,000 Generates income. 1170 01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,000 For the town. 1171 01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:17,000 And not specifically identified. 1172 01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:20,000 To the waterfront and to the harbor. 1173 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,000 Nest is narrowing. 1174 01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:31,000 So when I read under eight four here, payments to the town and the last line of eight four one. 1175 01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:40,000 That not so transfer child constitute a reserve fund solely for the purpose of completing town projects. 1176 01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:46,000 That doesn't strike me as being specifically identified to go to water reserve. 1177 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:52,000 It could be any reserve for which we set aside that amount of money. 1178 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:55,000 For any project in the town. 1179 01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:59,000 Could it not based upon my reading of that? 1180 01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,000 Well, sir, make an answer. 1181 01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:05,000 But I don't think you can take the funds either degree to palm projects outside of the waterfront area. 1182 01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,000 That's always been clear to stay one. 1183 01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,000 And it's clear in this agreement. 1184 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,000 You can you get your money into your waterfront reserve fund. 1185 01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:14,000 What you determine how you spend it within the waterfront. 1186 01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,000 And then the the leases come into there on top of that. 1187 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,000 And those projects are projected to determine. 1188 01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:25,000 But they're they're we've never agreed in any agreement that they could take. 1189 01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:28,000 Or use your funds and spend it on your downtown core or someplace else. 1190 01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,000 That that's I'm not saying that I'm not going to happen. 1191 01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:34,000 But it was never never agreed upon in any way. 1192 01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:41,000 Yes. 1193 01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,000 I will have the solicitor look it up if you would. 1194 01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:48,000 And it's one of those agreements we rated that it jumps around but here. 1195 01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:57,000 Thank you. 1196 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:15,000 And that will be close to $300,000 under this new proposal. 1197 02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:28,000 Maybe I can plug a couple. 1198 02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:37,760 If I can add a little bit to part of the negotiations and why it was a little, we were able to have 1199 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:48,760 a little wiggle room because the town will realize some of the projects like South Harbor Road, like before this agreement, this new agreement happened, 1200 02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:58,760 we would have been paying the full amount of that. We would be paying the full amount of North Harbor Road, probably in two or three years, 1201 02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:09,760 which is almost $3 million and growing. We would also have to pay for snug Harbor, which is probably going to be a million and a half or two million. 1202 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:18,760 All is going to be paid for by contributions out of this agreement by GPMC, which we never had before. 1203 02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:31,760 So, yes, we gave up a little bit on the 1.5, but in return we got these large projects assigned, which were fairly significant. 1204 02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:47,760 And even to the dolphin that is being projected to be done in the next year, I'm my understanding is that we're going to be able to get some federal money through GPMC in order to do that in Harbor dolphin. 1205 02:01:47,760 --> 02:02:05,760 Which is probably going to be $5 or $600,000. So, you know, we gave up here, we got over here. So all the art of negotiations, comments. 1206 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:13,760 Councilor Hoy? Would you like a five-minute recess? 1207 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:26,760 We'll carry on. Anyone else have any comments? Councilor Hoy? 1208 02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:47,760 Yeah, you knew I would. So, going back to what Deputy Mayor Murdoch was mentioning, the funds that go into the waterfront reserve, we can spend those funds as we wish as long as those funds are spent at the waterfront. 1209 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:53,760 The answer is yes, and I think you could be quite inventive on top of the slope, so anything that's root waterfront related. 1210 02:02:53,760 --> 02:03:05,760 Okay, so to say that GPMC is paying for our legal fees is a little misleading, and that's our money already. The money that's getting being paid into the waterfront. 1211 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:20,760 I mean, we can pay our tax bills out of the reserve, but it's our money. It's not GPMC's money. Correct, okay. I would like a little bit of clarification around the ownership on the five acres. 1212 02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:32,760 So the town and the port authority have the ability to market those five acres, but I'd like clarification on the actual ownership of those five acres. 1213 02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:37,760 The five acres, the snug and the north harbor. 1214 02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:47,760 The start was snug, and as an example, that the town was adamant in 1999, that the snug harbor would not be part of the harbor for reasons that we won't go into. 1215 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:51,760 Would not be part of the port that would not be the responsibility of GPMC. 1216 02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:55,760 We are now saying that is, that's another big plus. 1217 02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:09,760 In regards to the ownership of the five acres, it's the town's property, per town property, and the town will use the GPMC or the county or the staff here or whoever to market that five acres. 1218 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:15,760 And all the lands down there are owned by the town. We own it all. 1219 02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:23,760 I really just wanted that to be heard out loud. Okay, so that people understood exactly who owns all of that property down there. 1220 02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:34,760 And the 35 acres, if it's least out, is not part of GPMC's revenue that comes directly to us. 1221 02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:44,760 We may have to pay them a marketing fee or somebody a marketing fee to market that 35 acres, but that is not subject to GPMC's budget. 1222 02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:49,760 We get the least money on that land, on that five acres. 1223 02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,760 But we could go wherever we want it to go. 1224 02:04:53,760 --> 02:05:00,760 So the revenue that comes out the five acres does not have to go to reserve that can go to any project that we had to pay. 1225 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:02,760 Well, it's our money. 1226 02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:10,760 Yes, anything out of the user fees that are paid technically would not have to go into your water firm reserve. 1227 02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:16,760 I don't know if you want to start getting into that sure decision whether you want to start piecing that money out into another retail. 1228 02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:31,760 I guess you could, but really it was always intended to be derived for the waterfront and for that purpose. 1229 02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:37,760 Okay, anyone else? Councilor Donald. 1230 02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:44,760 I think that we're following the wrong procedure here. 1231 02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:52,760 The solicitor comes and he says, I'm here for instructions. 1232 02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:59,760 Who feels qualified not to instruct him? 1233 02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:04,760 I don't think any of us do, but we should be doing this. 1234 02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:11,760 The solicitor should come and say, I want over the contract. 1235 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:18,760 My recommendation or my advice as a solicitor for the town is to think of these things. 1236 02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:20,760 This is wrong. 1237 02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:22,760 This is against your interest. 1238 02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:25,760 This is questionable. 1239 02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:27,760 And I think it's wrong. 1240 02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:33,760 We're getting at a little rabbit runs about where this money goes, where that money goes. 1241 02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:37,760 I think you have to think of it in the big picture. 1242 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,760 Let me just use this example. 1243 02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:45,760 Suppose you go out of a guise and buy a Cadillac tonight and bring it home and put it in the garage. 1244 02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:50,760 Isn't it cool up to the Alvin tomorrow and say, well, I don't think I'll pay Alvin. 1245 02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:58,760 And Alvin sends the sheriff down to pick up the Cadillac and you say to him, I bought that Cadillac. 1246 02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:00,760 I bought the Cadillac. 1247 02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:04,760 That's exactly what compass minerals is doing to you. 1248 02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:10,760 They bought this contract for $18,900,000. 1249 02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:15,760 Why do you think the town gave away all this power? 1250 02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:19,760 We gave it away because we were getting millions of dollars. 1251 02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:26,760 They backed out and now they insist that contract is valid. 1252 02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:28,760 That's the beginning. 1253 02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:34,760 The first big picture that you have to get in your mind is that a valid contract. 1254 02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:39,760 The next thing to think about, I suppose is this. 1255 02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:44,760 Ask yourself, when does this contract end? 1256 02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:54,760 And the answer to that is never because it's to a fixed period with unlimited numbers of 10-year renewals thereafter. 1257 02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:57,760 So you're never going to get out of this. 1258 02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:00,760 That's the second big picture to look at. 1259 02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:03,760 The third big picture to look at is this. 1260 02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:11,760 If there are weaknesses in that contract as I said that you didn't pay, you're validating with a new contract. 1261 02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:19,760 You're giving official lawful recognition to things now that are very questionable. 1262 02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:23,760 So you're doing compulsory huge favor in that way. 1263 02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:34,760 And then the next thing to think of is what power does the town of God rich have under this agreement acting by itself? 1264 02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:39,760 Well, the people who drew it may tell you differently. 1265 02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,760 They may know better than I. 1266 02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:47,760 But as I read that contract, you have no power, whatever, 1267 02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,760 to do anything positive. 1268 02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:56,760 You have a veto power that you can say, well, that plan is too expensive, you can't do it. 1269 02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:58,760 But you're cutting your own throat. 1270 02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:06,760 You're saying, the only way you can use the veto is to hurt yourself to say, don't put it in a new breakwater. 1271 02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:08,760 Don't remediate the shoreline. 1272 02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:10,760 Don't fix the harbour health. 1273 02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:13,760 All you can do is say, don't. 1274 02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:20,760 There's not one positive thing that the town of God rich can do alone. 1275 02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:27,760 The power is with the users of the harbour, and it's there forever. 1276 02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:36,760 Now am I wrong and that's lesser? 1277 02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:41,760 The town does have vetoes within the course of the agreement that's correct. 1278 02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:46,760 Don't get fatsy with me. 1279 02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:48,760 We want to get this thing done. 1280 02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:53,760 And when you say, the town has that veto power. 1281 02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:56,760 The veto is a word, maybe we all don't use every day. 1282 02:09:56,760 --> 02:10:02,760 I want you to tell us or agree with me if you will, that it's the power to stop something. 1283 02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:05,760 It isn't the power to do something. 1284 02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:06,760 Is that correct? 1285 02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:16,760 The town has the power to have input into the maintenance plans and has the final say on whether those plans go ahead. 1286 02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:20,760 If there are, please let me finish. 1287 02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:31,760 If there are positive things that the town wants to put into this agreement, those are the instructions I'm looking for and what positive things are we talking about. 1288 02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:38,760 Well, Mr. Solester, are you coming to this council and you've never given us an analysis of the contract. 1289 02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:43,760 You wrote us a one word or two-flying opinion that you didn't think you could win the case. 1290 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:48,760 But you've never told us council what your recommendation is. 1291 02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:49,760 You're our Solester. 1292 02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:51,760 We looked you for some help. 1293 02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:58,760 Councillor, I spent the better part of three hours here one evening giving an analysis of the contract line by line. 1294 02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:01,760 Give it to us and writing. 1295 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,760 No, I'll just, I'll say here. 1296 02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:06,760 No, just a minute. 1297 02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:08,760 I want to make this clear. 1298 02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:18,760 For you to stand here and run through that contract and, for suppose, I were to ask this council now about the things that Larry McCabe read to us. 1299 02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,760 I'll bet you there's not one of them could answer the questions. 1300 02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:27,760 What I have indicated is that I hear for instructions. 1301 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:35,760 If you're instructions are that you want me to come back with a page by page written analysis, I will do so. 1302 02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:39,760 If you're instructions are that you want to have a public meeting on it, that's what we do. 1303 02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:41,760 I require those instructions. 1304 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,760 I take my instructions in council. 1305 02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:49,760 I was, I was sent on May 22nd with specific instructions. 1306 02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:55,760 We went and carried out those instructions or back to report on Mr. Solester. 1307 02:11:55,760 --> 02:12:01,760 Would you agree with me, I don't agree with you or not. 1308 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:03,760 Would you agree with this? 1309 02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:16,760 This council would be in a better position to make decisions on these issues if it had your opinion, your assessment, and your judgment as to how to proceed on these issues. 1310 02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:20,760 If that's what council wants, I'd be happy to go to answer my question. 1311 02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:22,760 Do you think that would be a benefit to council? 1312 02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:24,760 It likely would. 1313 02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,760 Council will want to tell me whether it's a benefit to them or not. 1314 02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:31,760 We mustn't reduce this to ridiculous terms. 1315 02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:34,760 This council has no legal training. 1316 02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:36,760 It's got no experience in contracts. 1317 02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:38,760 It's never had the contract explained to them. 1318 02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:40,760 They probably have a reddit. 1319 02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:46,760 They're relying on what impressions are being made or created by what you say. 1320 02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:53,760 We would benefit from your analysis or the contract to say this is beneficial. 1321 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:54,760 This is risky. 1322 02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:56,760 This is detrimental. 1323 02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:58,760 That would be helpful. 1324 02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:02,760 If I'm not disagreeing with it, that's what council wants. 1325 02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:05,760 The document is put before council. 1326 02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:07,760 It's given them to review. 1327 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:14,760 One of the things that we've always been told is you want to see something in writing, and that's fair and expected. 1328 02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:21,760 The documents there, each council has to decide for themselves what do you need more than that. 1329 02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:26,760 If what you want is a written analysis of that nature, I'm more than prepared to do it. 1330 02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:38,760 Mr. Mayor, I move that we ask our solicitor to enlighten us so far as he's able by his analysis and his recommendations on this contract. 1331 02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:39,760 Please. 1332 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,760 Do I have a second? 1333 02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:54,760 Discussion. 1334 02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:55,760 Discussion about it. 1335 02:13:55,760 --> 02:14:03,760 I want to make some comments myself before we get to far down here, but I will open it up for discussion, 1336 02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:09,760 and I will make a comment myself if I could. 1337 02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:13,760 In fact, this was done all the way along. 1338 02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:20,760 But I'll open it up to anyone on council that wants to reflect on some of these decisions, 1339 02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:24,760 which this council has made over the last year or so. 1340 02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:33,760 Have you got a point? 1341 02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:42,760 Yes, Mr. Mayor. 1342 02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:52,760 To hear what the solicitor has to say regarding, I do believe in terms of my understanding of contracts. 1343 02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:59,760 I'm sure he's much better at it than I, and it would be worthwhile to for him too. 1344 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,000 Item I, those things that may be of concern from your standpoint. 1345 02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:18,000 Okay. I will ask the solicitor, and I have these comments written down, losses, risks, and wins. 1346 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:29,000 And I can spell them out. Or our solicitor can spell them out, and we can discuss them here and now. 1347 02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:38,000 I've been around through the whole process from day one, I missed a couple years with my sabbatical. 1348 02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:42,000 But other than that, I've been part of this process. 1349 02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:52,000 And I don't think that the negotiating team failed you in the last four years from when you opened up this contract. 1350 02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:57,000 They were always pushing the envelope. 1351 02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,000 We talk about positive things. 1352 02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:08,000 The positive things were to get GPMC to open it up to have participation of council on the board. 1353 02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:13,000 The positive things were all the infrastructure jobs that they negotiated. 1354 02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:19,000 South Harbour Hill, North Harbour Hill, Snow Harbour, the increase of the 100,000. 1355 02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:25,000 Those are all positive things. Those aren't negative things. Those are positive benefits to the community. 1356 02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:33,000 Millions of dollars just since the opening of the contract four years ago. 1357 02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:41,000 And millions of dollars in CPI payments, which under the original agreement had no CPI. 1358 02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:49,000 I remember when this agreement was agreed to, originally, there was never a CPI added for the first 20 years. 1359 02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:55,000 And a CPI added to these agreements is millions of dollars. 1360 02:16:55,000 --> 02:17:07,000 So don't fool yourself that they weren't positive positions that use council that have been here for the last four years. 1361 02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:14,000 Hasn't progressively stepped forward and asked the solicitor and asked your staff to do it. 1362 02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:31,000 I've only been here for a year, but everything that we have asked for and question our CEO or our clerk or our solicitor has been forthcoming and has given you. 1363 02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:40,000 It's a slow, agonizing process and I understand that. These things take a long time and it hasn't been the easiest thing, but it's been it's been very effective. 1364 02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:52,000 And we can go right back today one if you want and see what $29 million dollars that was set out in the original agreement. 1365 02:17:52,000 --> 02:18:02,000 Will GPMC fulfill that in 15 years? They did. They did exactly what you asked them to do. 1366 02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:15,000 We asked them back 20 years ago to do it alone. Stand alone. We want to be arms length away from this process. We don't want any membership on that board. 1367 02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:26,000 Okay. That was done purposely. That was done purposely by the council of the day. It's done purposely by the federal government and all those agreements were adhered to. 1368 02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:41,000 They came before you every year for a budget. You either passed it, questioned it, sent it back. They did a great job. They did exactly what you asked them to do for 15 years. 1369 02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:51,000 And then you asked them, okay, let's open up the agreement. They said, okay, we'll open up the agreement. 1370 02:18:51,000 --> 02:19:07,000 And from then on, it just cost the users that much more money. So from my standpoint, the community is benefiting immensely from this financially. 1371 02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:23,000 It's benefiting from building our assets. Remember that harbor when we bought it, I don't know Larry may have quoted how much it was worth at the time. It may have been worth 50 million. 1372 02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:38,000 It's probably worth 150 million now on the assets on the books. I think that's pretty good deal. And guess what? We didn't pay for it. The users paid for it. 1373 02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:57,000 We retired 650,000. Sift to pay the 650,000 first. Not one tax dollar went in to purchase things to the harbor. And I can quote captains that have come in in the last year that have said, 1374 02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:12,000 God range is one of the best harbors on the Great Lakes. You should be celebrating that. And we've celebrated this agreement. The first agreement, the 15 year agreement that we had in the infrastructure rebuilt. 1375 02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:28,000 Our CEO at the time spoke about three P conferences in Vancouver to Spain to, I don't know where else he spoke at, but at different conferences, we've been celebrated across Canada for this. 1376 02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:39,000 We got to feel positive about it. We got to feel positive about the last agreement and we got to feel real positive about the agreement that is before us tonight. 1377 02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:56,000 There's no question that you have negotiated exactly what we ask you to do. But Councillor Donnelly is right in two facts. In the number one, we don't have a solicitor recommendation from our solicitor, whether this is a good agreement or not. 1378 02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:06,000 We told you what to do and you did it, but we don't have a recommendation from our lawyer that you should sign this. It's kind of a pen to paper. I think that you boys should sign this thing. 1379 02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:20,000 And the other part that's really very, very critical to me is, we've been, this is my second term at this, and I've been told numerous times that the previous agreement wasn't worth the powder. It would take to blow it up. 1380 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:36,000 I really want to have your assurance that this is a legally binding contract, and if someone doesn't adhere to the agreements in it, that it's not a binding contract. 1381 02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:59,000 I would hope that we haven't got this far without every turn on this agreement. Standing here before us and sitting beside him as we negotiate has always said, this we're doing a good thing. This is going to be a good agreement. Now, he needs to make that recommendation verbally to council. 1382 02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:09,000 Councilor Donald, and then Mr. McKay. 1383 02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:27,000 Mr. Mayor, it seems to be unthinkable that a council would refuse to get a recommendation from their solicitor, and for you to say, for him to stand up and say, I endorse it. 1384 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:36,000 That's not, I don't want that one word endorsement. I want a critical examination of the document with his conclusions. Good, better and different. 1385 02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:49,000 That's, and I don't see how in conscience, and doing your duty, your sworn duty, you can just turn your back on that and say, don't bother me with the law or the facts, my mind is made up. 1386 02:22:49,000 --> 02:23:07,000 Now, just don't, please, this is too important now. You said to, as, how compass or GPS and compass or interchangeable, they did exactly as we told them to, did I hear that correctly? 1387 02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:11,000 They adhered to the contract that we first signed. That's correct. 1388 02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:16,000 The, I don't agree with you. Okay. 1389 02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:21,000 Just a minute, do you, you don't not going to leave that hangout in the air? 1390 02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,000 No. 1391 02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:40,000 I have a letter here from GPMC on June the 20th, 2016, and it's, it deals with our request that Larry McCabe, he applies it to the board of the GPMC. 1392 02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:53,000 And they said, after careful consideration of our request, we unanimously elected some other person, not being John Gray's. 1393 02:23:53,000 --> 02:24:06,000 So, that was one position where the, the compass or GPMC didn't do exactly as we told them, they did the reverse. 1394 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:11,000 And they explained that in these words. 1395 02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:22,000 They said, we thought it would be better to have a distinguished member of the town with the community service and so on. 1396 02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:27,000 And they said, so they wanted a community service member. 1397 02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:31,000 That's June the 20th, 2016. 1398 02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:37,000 I wrote a book on town council, and I'm reading from it. 1399 02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:42,000 And three years before that, in 2013, I said this. 1400 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:47,000 In my view, the time has come when there should be a public representative on the board. 1401 02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,000 My reasons are for fold as follows. 1402 02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:52,000 And I, there's no point in reading the reasons. 1403 02:24:52,000 --> 02:25:00,000 All I'm saying is, they are wrapping themselves in that cloak of righteousness that they're going to appoint 1404 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:10,000 a public member over their duty as our agent doing our business to take our recommendation. 1405 02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:14,000 I don't say that's doing as we asked them to. 1406 02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:16,000 The second thing is this. 1407 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:29,000 I have a letter here to, from Faskin, Martinol, and it's written it when they were in the context of applying for a status as a not-for-profit corporation. 1408 02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:33,000 And I don't have the first page, so I haven't got the date. 1409 02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:42,000 The letter appears to be written by Barbara Miller, and it says this. 1410 02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:47,000 It goes on about the membership and the governance and so on. 1411 02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:58,000 And it says, all excess revenue over expenditures is transferred by GPMC to the town of guidance at the end of every year. 1412 02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:03,000 Well, I don't, as far as my understanding, that's not true. 1413 02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:08,000 That money stays in the capital reserve fund there. 1414 02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:22,000 Now, the next thing is, on the back page, it says, that a copy of this is going forward to roll-in, how roll-in, how a GPMC. 1415 02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:25,000 So roll-in got that information. 1416 02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:28,000 I don't know whether it was ever corrected or not. 1417 02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:40,000 But then the next thing that happened was, we cut back to five acres and set of 15 acres. 1418 02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:44,000 And we asked GPMC, will you join with us in this? 1419 02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:53,000 And this is the outfit that you say, so conscientiously, has always done our back and call. 1420 02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:58,000 On July the 10th, 2015, they said this. 1421 02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,000 This is in response to all requests. 1422 02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:05,000 Will you join in the five acre development? 1423 02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:20,000 Any participation by GPMC in a revised port expansion plan would be conditional upon its members approving such revised plan? 1424 02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:28,000 They're telling us right, plain English, we're refusing your instruction. 1425 02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:38,000 We're going to take our instructions from the people that are the port users. 1426 02:27:38,000 --> 02:28:00,000 The next thing is this in the annual report of May the 20th, 2015. 1427 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,000 They report to us as follows. 1428 02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:08,000 The fee schedule would remain the same in 2014. 1429 02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:11,000 That's the very last thing and then the word questions. 1430 02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:14,000 Well, that was not right. 1431 02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:21,000 Because then we got in the 2015 budget notes, we got this note from them. 1432 02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:27,000 A 6.1 reduction in existing user fees was put in place. 1433 02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:31,000 So A, it's contrary to what they said themselves. 1434 02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:41,000 And B, it's contrary to the contract, which says they cannot all for the fees without the prior consent of the ton of guidance. 1435 02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:48,000 So that's another place where they didn't comply with our instructions. 1436 02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:52,000 And they have more of them. 1437 02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:56,000 But in any event, the point is as simple as that. 1438 02:28:56,000 --> 02:29:04,000 If you look at the huge disadvantages, perpetual, no power to do anything positive, 1439 02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:06,000 only a veto power. 1440 02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:13,000 And the users have control of the hardware during the currency of the agreement. 1441 02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:17,000 Those are huge concessions to make. 1442 02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:24,000 And you want to make them without getting a written opinion from the solicitor as to whether we're doing the right thing or not. 1443 02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:27,000 Mistake. 1444 02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:30,000 Let me say this too. 1445 02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:34,000 There are three possible things we could do here tonight. 1446 02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:39,000 One, we could say the contract is fine. 1447 02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:46,000 Two, we could give instructions to say certain things will fend us generally it's right. 1448 02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:51,000 The third thing we could do would be to do nothing. 1449 02:29:51,000 --> 02:30:00,000 And doing nothing is better than signing that contract because if you sign that contract. 1450 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,000 Contract, you place, compass, and a bulletproof building. You've sealed off the cracks. They're living there now. Why do you think they've negotiated for five years? Why did they do that? Because they're not sure that they've got a valid contract now. And that's another thing that when you negotiate from a position of weakness, they're like, oh, we can't do that. 1451 02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:43,000 You do a quorum negotiation. And that's why I said, and I really think this is true, that we should get an independent litigators opinionist to the validity of the contract. 1452 02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:57,000 And see what he says. I'm not talking about this contract. I'm talking about the existing. So I say, our solicitor gives us an opinion on this document that we're looking at tonight. 1453 02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:06,000 But we should get a litigators opinion, as to whether or not that original OMM is any good. Those are my points. Thank you for hearing me. 1454 02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:14,000 Thank you. Mr. McCabe, and then we'll ask a few questions or council has questions and I've got a couple of comments. 1455 02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:21,000 I'm not sure you're asking me back. So from this evening, don't answer that right now. So I'm not sure so I can give you my opinion. 1456 02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:33,000 I think you're going down a road that council is not only suggesting you don't want to go. You have negotiated in good faith and they have, in my opinion, a contract. 1457 02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:37,000 We've done everything you have told us within the context of whatever. 1458 02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:44,000 I'm not asking whether that and the solicitor can tell you. If the solicitor walked in here and I'm putting words to his mouth and said, here's a agreement here. 1459 02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:51,000 And so I recommend you go into it. You look at him and say, what? You just tell us whether this is a legal document. 1460 02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:57,000 And he can do that. He can go through some of the things that council are done. And he can tell you that this is a legal document. 1461 02:31:57,000 --> 02:32:04,000 And by the way, I don't know how he's going to tell you what pitfalls are. We know what they are. They got a multiple vote at points times a certain things. 1462 02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:10,000 They got this. That's negotiations. We've done our best job negotiating this agreement right now. 1463 02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:19,000 And I'm not going to, I've prepared to answer everyone of the council or down these things that he just mentioned, plus what he has before. 1464 02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:23,000 I won't do it because you're going down a road of litigation. 1465 02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:29,000 And I'm not going to put an argument forward because if anybody has anything at all they're watching this video, 1466 02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:35,000 and they're making notes. And I'm not going to argue against him in open session on some of the points he made. 1467 02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:40,000 You have the best agreement in my opinion that you could negotiate at this point in time. 1468 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:46,000 It's sort of like you got a house and somebody wants to fix it. And I would now argue that in your well protected. 1469 02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:53,000 The solicitor can go back to his office. You can come back and you try to put that. I don't know how he does that. I really don't. 1470 02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:59,000 And if he walks in here the next meeting and doesn't satisfy some of the things that just been mentioned now and he can't. 1471 02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:02,000 And if you do nothing, council don't these wrong. 1472 02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:10,000 If you do nothing because our opinion is the 2012 agreement is invalid. If you do nothing, it's valid. 1473 02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:16,000 I don't know where you're going with all this. Good luck. If you invite me back, that's part of my contract. I'll come back. 1474 02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:21,000 But I think it's wrong the way you're going. You're talking about the legal fees you want to see from a base steep lawyer. 1475 02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:26,000 There between $6 and $800 an hour. That's what they are. If that's where you want to go, go do it. 1476 02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:32,000 But you're going to end up back in this making the same decision to make tonight. Good luck for council to do it. 1477 02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:38,000 It's an excellent agreement as far as I can certainly. It was like, don't go shaded the way you directed us to do it. 1478 02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:45,000 Council just ask anyone else, but go ahead. I'll make a comment. 1479 02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:53,000 Well, this interim and terror argument, about a $6, $800 an hour, a base street lawyer. 1480 02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:59,000 Who does he think? Who does my cave think we're paying or we're dealing with now? 1481 02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:07,000 Faskin, Martyn O. And where's that money coming from? It's coming from Tana Gauder's money. 1482 02:34:07,000 --> 02:34:13,000 And they won't even tell us how much they ignored our request. 1483 02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:22,000 The... the McCabe statement just now that he made reminds me of this. 1484 02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:30,000 The one parent looks to the other parents and says, well, these kids aren't much but their hours. 1485 02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:34,000 That's McCabe saying this contract he's negotiated. 1486 02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:38,000 I've told you the things that are wrong with it. 1487 02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:44,000 And there's such important things. Go on forever. No positive power. 1488 02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:57,000 No. Okay. I guess my last comments was that we have been through this and I can't remember the specific date. 1489 02:34:57,000 --> 02:35:01,000 I think it was in May. We went through it as a council. 1490 02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:10,000 Line by line. Word by word. And we made the changes. We were comfortable. 1491 02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:20,000 We had four or five outstanding issues and asked and it was unanimous at that meeting that we were okay. 1492 02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:29,000 Make those changes. And we were okay and you sent us back to the negotiating table. 1493 02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:34,000 And that's exactly what we did and we brought forward what we said we would. 1494 02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:44,000 It is semantics as far as I'm concerned whether it's when I was appointed, how I was appointed to the board three or four years ago. 1495 02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:55,000 Yes, they, and in the original contract they had, I've read that they had the right to reduce it if they could, but the hammer is here. 1496 02:35:55,000 --> 02:36:00,000 We have the levers of power through the budgets. 1497 02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:05,000 So even if they came back next week wanting to reduce. 1498 02:36:05,000 --> 02:36:13,000 No, because we have the power. It's all the levers are with us. We own the budget. 1499 02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:21,000 So I agree with with Mr. McCabe. We probably could argue point by point. I don't think we should. 1500 02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:28,000 There's no way that this agreement would be in front of us if our solicitor didn't recommend to staff and myself. 1501 02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:35,000 And those on on a table that it was a good agreement and that we need to bring it now to council. 1502 02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:39,000 He said that to us absolutely has. 1503 02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:47,000 And he hasn't said it tonight. He's prepared to do it. He's prepared to do it. We haven't got to the final conclusion. 1504 02:36:47,000 --> 02:37:03,000 And doing nothing from my perspective as as as as a mayor we lose the opportunity for south harbour we lose the opportunity for north harbour, snowg harbour, all the things that we've progressed in a positive manner moving forward. 1505 02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:08,000 It's council's decision. 1506 02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:16,000 I'm sure that Mr. Stewart would not be here if he felt that this was not a good agreement. 1507 02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:32,000 But I will ask him if he feels that it goes back to my risk assessment on what are we losing? 1508 02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:36,000 What are we gaining? 1509 02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:38,000 Is this a legal document? 1510 02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:42,000 And we've had lots of lawyers hammer away at it. 1511 02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:46,000 So. 1512 02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:59,000 You refresh my memory as to what our procedural byloss as about the mayor engaging in the debate and having someone else take the chair. 1513 02:37:59,000 --> 02:38:06,000 Is that my recollection or is that just fantasy? 1514 02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:10,000 Make a comment that I would be commenting on this. 1515 02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:15,000 If you object to my comments then we'll go to the procedural byloss. 1516 02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:17,000 I didn't hear the last part. 1517 02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:25,000 If you object to my comments and want to make an issue of it, we'll go to the procedural byloss. 1518 02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:27,000 I'll ask for it to be read it. 1519 02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:33,000 I wondered if you knew because I don't. 1520 02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,000 Samanix again. 1521 02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:37,000 You just vacate the chair. 1522 02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:40,000 Somebody goes in and you say what you want to say anyways. 1523 02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:42,000 It's all the same. 1524 02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:44,000 I've seen it for many years. 1525 02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,000 And it's all of you. 1526 02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:52,000 The same or there wouldn't be that provision on the byloss. 1527 02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:56,000 We continue to go in circles here. 1528 02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:00,000 My question for Greg is. 1529 02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:06,000 Do you feel that this is going to be a binding document moving forward? 1530 02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:16,000 Does it have the terminology in there stating that this contract replaces all previous contracts and makes this a firm document moving forward? 1531 02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:20,000 Do we have a strong termination agreement in this agreement? 1532 02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:24,000 Those are the questions I've asked you as a lawyer. 1533 02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:26,000 Yes. 1534 02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:32,000 It does have a strong termination agreement, which wasn't in the earlier agreement. 1535 02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:38,000 There's a definite provision that if there's a default by either a party, the other party, 1536 02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:40,000 and terminate the agreement. 1537 02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,000 The way the earlier agreement was it had. 1538 02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:45,000 You went spinning into mediation and a bunch of stuff. 1539 02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:47,000 With how many days notice? 1540 02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:48,000 Or is it a mediate? 1541 02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:50,000 I believe it's 30. 1542 02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:52,000 What was the first question, sir? 1543 02:39:52,000 --> 02:40:01,000 Is there clauses in this document stating that this replaces all previous documents and this is a firm document moving forward? 1544 02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:02,000 Yes. 1545 02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:03,000 And it is a binding agreement. 1546 02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:04,000 Thank you. 1547 02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:14,000 Have we voted on the motion? 1548 02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:16,000 No. 1549 02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:20,000 You were supposed to say one other point. 1550 02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:24,000 I noticed in our last discussion, since there have been numerous changes that come. 1551 02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,000 There's been a real effort. 1552 02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:30,000 And I think you've seen it to try to work with the town. 1553 02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:34,000 And I saw that in the last negotiations with the new individuals. 1554 02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:36,000 And I see it a positive thing going forward. 1555 02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:38,000 I just want to make that comment. 1556 02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:39,000 Yes. 1557 02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:49,000 I want, if I could, if you would indulge me counsel, I'd ask our CEO to talk about that renewed relationship. 1558 02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:54,000 And I will also ask the director of operations. 1559 02:40:54,000 --> 02:41:01,000 The impact that the community has had for the infrastructure through these contracts. 1560 02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:08,000 If I could ask the CEO to talk about the renewed relationship with not only GPMC, but with compass minerals. 1561 02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:10,000 Thank you. 1562 02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:12,000 Your worship through you. 1563 02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:34,000 I had received a phone call back in November from compass minerals staff that were really wanting to ensure that this council and staff understood new that they were in a position where they wanted to reach out and demonstrate that they want to be a good corporate partnership with the town. 1564 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:37,000 Most recently, this past Saturday. 1565 02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:40,000 And they had in that discussion back in November. 1566 02:41:40,000 --> 02:42:00,000 They indicated that I would be receiving an email with respect to an engagement of a communications firm, Abernathima Greger, that would be working with compass minerals to collect information and to have conversations to establish communication with community members, 1567 02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:06,000 and getting important feedback from people and how they're doing. 1568 02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:15,000 Are they doing well in the areas where we need to improve on and how we can best build upon our existing working relationships. 1569 02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:21,000 To me, a lot of the discussions that we have had, even with our meeting that we had back in October. 1570 02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:26,000 There seems to be obviously with the appointments of the new COO CEO. 1571 02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:35,000 Is that there is a huge commitment on their part to ensure that they engage partnerships with the town through compass minerals and GPMC. 1572 02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:44,000 And I think that we just wanted to ensure that the council are aware that they have reached out to us on several locations to do that. 1573 02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:48,000 I also got that same letter. 1574 02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:50,000 But I got it from two different people. 1575 02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:56,000 I got it from Wayne McConnell and from a lady that I don't know who she was. 1576 02:42:56,000 --> 02:43:08,000 And also, we have to recognize that this senior management team has been intimate in this whole process over the last four or five years. 1577 02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,000 I'm new to the process. 1578 02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:17,000 But they have been there day in and day out with meetings, whether it's in Toronto, whether it's here. 1579 02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:25,000 And our director of operations has been at the table through all discussions as the rest of the senior management team, 1580 02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:30,000 from the Treasurer to the now clerk, Andrea. 1581 02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:37,000 I'd like to ask Chip to have a little overview of of the positive things. 1582 02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:45,000 Maybe I shouldn't say I find them positive of what has happened with this agreement over the last, 1583 02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:47,000 because he's been here a long time. 1584 02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:50,000 He's been here longer than the agreement. 1585 02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:57,000 Well, I think a lot of it has been reiterated several times here this evening on the positive. 1586 02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:02,000 And obviously I looked from the infrastructure part of it. 1587 02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:08,000 And what has been done since 1999, and as Larry already commented in his letter, 1588 02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:12,000 that they committed to doing $29 million. 1589 02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:18,000 And that was right in schedule what was known as Schedule 6 back in 1999, and they did fulfill it. 1590 02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:24,000 And moving forward, the harbor, we regarded it as a gem. 1591 02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:28,000 And John commented this past year at the top hat ceremony. 1592 02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:31,000 The captain, the command, said exactly that. 1593 02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:34,000 It's a pleasure to come to the garbage harbor. 1594 02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:39,000 He said, when I leave here, I'm going down the St. Clair down the Detroit River, 1595 02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:47,000 and then back up through the Rouge River, and he said literally back up because there is no turning basin. 1596 02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:54,000 And for his vessel, to back up five kilometers to the John load, the salt is huge. 1597 02:44:54,000 --> 02:45:00,000 But he said, you come into a nicely protected harbor here, that has a great infrastructure, and it has a pleasure. 1598 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:16,000 And it's up and the upkeep of it. As well as what we've already talked about, North Harbor Road, saving going to the tax dollars for a half a million, what will be coming in 2023 for North Harbor Road. 1599 02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:34,000 2.5 million is huge contribution from GPMC. And when the water levels subside and also they're looking at probably about 2025, three-quarters of a million that they're willing to contribute back to snugg harbor. 1600 02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:46,000 So, through the negotiations, and especially with having some new people at the table, there is definitely a will to make a men's with even with their staff down there. 1601 02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:55,000 They want to reach out and with their workers and they have a different mindset that may be previous administration from head-off as a compass. 1602 02:45:55,000 --> 02:46:09,000 But through the negotiations, it has been long, but I think where we're at now is a very productive and successful negotiation. 1603 02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:24,000 And I only see the same thing. Positive, obviously there's always going to be something that somebody isn't going to agree with, but on the big term and the big picture, I think it's all positive. 1604 02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:42,000 You know, the treasurer plays a significant role not only on the treasurer's side of these agreements, but also I found through the negotiations and through the long conversations about the agreement. 1605 02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:53,000 She has been a stickler for detail. Far beyond what I thought was a reasonable fact. 1606 02:46:53,000 --> 02:47:08,000 So, she can talk about how in depth that this committee and the slesterer went into making sure that this was a good contract viable and legal. 1607 02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:15,000 I don't know if you have any comments, Madam Treasurer. 1608 02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:20,000 Firstly, I guess thank you for the compliment. 1609 02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:27,000 Because when I view a contract, I do like to go through every paragraph. 1610 02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:46,000 And I too see a lot of positives in this contract in comparison with the previous. You're certainly getting more money into the waterfront reserve budget to do the projects that you're going to develop through your strategies and your strategic plan. 1611 02:47:46,000 --> 02:48:09,000 The CPI. It does. The mayor's correct. It probably over the 20-month term. Well, no probably. If I calculated it, it's 5.2 million increase in revenue compared to if the just related to the compass mineral part of the fees. 1612 02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:26,000 That's going to come in just due to the CPI. If you compare where we are at right now at your 1.5 million and CPI as further contract starting in 2024, there's 5.2 million dollars more coming in. 1613 02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:40,000 And as to to go back a little bit to Deputy Mayor Murdoch's question about the risks around limiting that 1.5% CPI increase. 1614 02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:52,000 I guess as you look out over the schedule that's in the document, that schedule accounts for the cash on hand. It accounts for the revenues in. 1615 02:48:52,000 --> 02:49:08,000 It accounts for the operating expenses. It shows the planned capital expenditures over the next 20 years and accounts for the cash on hand at the end. So they are comfortable using the assumptions. Certainly it's all assumptions based. 1616 02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:21,000 That revenue will cover the projects that they think they want to do, including the incremental costs of contributing to the town projects of the two roads and stock harbor. 1617 02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:35,000 There's always given take in an negotiation, but as for the risk regarding the inflationary increase, I think the management plan 1618 02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:50,000 provides some comfort in that they feel those fees are going to cover it. Now if down the road some big project comes along, there's a mechanism in place where that project can be brought forward by the users. 1619 02:49:50,000 --> 02:50:02,000 Discuss the GPM board level and then brought to the town and then the town can determine whether they think that is a benefit in their view as well. 1620 02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:14,000 I think it's a work together agreement. The users, their needs are certainly addressed. Nobody I don't think is disputing that. 1621 02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:26,000 They are having a large amount of input into the projects that are brought forward in the plan, but really does that not make sense in that they are the ones that use the port. 1622 02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:40,000 It's in their best interest to provide a management and maintenance plan that is going to maintain that port to continue to be the gem that we want it to be. 1623 02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:46,000 Okay, Councillor Donnelly had a comment and then Councillor Hoy. 1624 02:50:46,000 --> 02:51:01,000 Simply this we're talking about all the money they're going to pay on the CPI. Let us remind ourselves that from 1999 onward up till today there hasn't been a change in the rates. 1625 02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:10,000 And according to their proposal there wouldn't be any change in the CPI and for the next four years to 2024. 1626 02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:18,000 Well, if you had a tenant at your house at the same rent for 24 years, surely it's time we spit off a little CPI. 1627 02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:22,000 I don't see you getting any great credit for that. 1628 02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:25,000 There's all part of the negotiations. 1629 02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:26,000 Councillor Hoy. 1630 02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:32,000 Okay, so we're in open council. We've asked our solicitor whether this is a strong contract and yes it is. 1631 02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:39,000 We've asked our solicitor whether there's a strong termination agreement in there and yes there is. 1632 02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:48,000 Greg, would you recommend as our town solicitor that we sign this contract? 1633 02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:57,000 Based on my instructions and what I was asked to we were asked to go and negotiate. 1634 02:51:57,000 --> 02:52:02,000 I can recommend it as something you could sign. 1635 02:52:02,000 --> 02:52:06,000 Again, so I'm going to state that one more time so it's clear for everyone. 1636 02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:09,000 We gave you instructions of what we wanted you to do. 1637 02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:17,000 You follow those instructions and you are now saying that you are recommending as our town solicitor that this is a strong document. 1638 02:52:17,000 --> 02:52:21,000 And we should sign this document based upon our instructions to you. 1639 02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:22,000 Yeah. 1640 02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:23,000 Thank you. 1641 02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:26,000 Okay. 1642 02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:30,000 We're just waiting for councilor Murdoch to reappear. 1643 02:52:39,000 --> 02:52:41,000 Did you want to repeat that question? 1644 02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:45,000 Yes. 1645 02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:51,000 Thank you, Councillor. 1646 02:52:51,000 --> 02:53:01,000 For clarification purposes, I asked our solicitor is. 1647 02:53:01,000 --> 02:53:10,000 I was asked if I would recommend this as an agreement and I indicated that based on the negotiations based on what my instructions were. 1648 02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:15,000 Based on what we were instructed to go and attempt to get an agreement. 1649 02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:19,000 I can recommend it as a good agreement to sign. 1650 02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:22,000 I think that's. 1651 02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:24,000 Okay. 1652 02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:28,000 Anyone else? 1653 02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:31,000 Okay. 1654 02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:34,000 We have a motion on the table. 1655 02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:39,000 Right now that we'll have that we have to. 1656 02:53:39,000 --> 02:53:42,000 See to what is the motion. 1657 02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:44,000 Almost almost lost it there. 1658 02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:46,000 The motion was to do. 1659 02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:48,000 Just said. 1660 02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:49,000 No. 1661 02:53:49,000 --> 02:53:50,000 No. 1662 02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:51,000 I just did it true. 1663 02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:52,000 That's true. 1664 02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:54,000 I know. 1665 02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:55,000 No. 1666 02:53:55,000 --> 02:53:56,000 No. 1667 02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:58,000 Just put the motion. 1668 02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:02,000 Please speak the motion. 1669 02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:06,000 Move by councilor Don Lee seconded by councilor Hoy. 1670 02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:18,000 That the councilor be instructed to provide an analysis and recommendation on the proposed operating management and maintenance agreement for the port of Godritch between GPMC and the town. 1671 02:54:18,000 --> 02:54:19,000 Okay. 1672 02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:22,000 So that was the motion. 1673 02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:24,000 So then we have to. 1674 02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:26,000 We'll vote on that. 1675 02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:29,000 And then we'll go on from there. 1676 02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:31,000 Provided that passes. 1677 02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:34,000 There's been a recorded vote. 1678 02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:36,000 Asked. 1679 02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,000 Okay. 1680 02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:41,000 Everyone. 1681 02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:44,000 I understand the question. 1682 02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:47,000 Councilor Don Lee. 1683 02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:48,000 Sorry. 1684 02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:50,000 Colleen on councilor Don Lee. 1685 02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:51,000 Yeah. 1686 02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:54,000 Councilor Hoy. 1687 02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:57,000 I look like a cook now, but nay. 1688 02:54:57,000 --> 02:54:59,000 Deputy Mayor Murdock. 1689 02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:00,000 Nay. 1690 02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:02,000 Councilor Tammy. 1691 02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:03,000 Nay. 1692 02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:05,000 Councilor Thompson. 1693 02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:07,000 Mayor Grace. 1694 02:55:07,000 --> 02:55:08,000 Nay. 1695 02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:09,000 Mayor. 1696 02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:11,000 Mayor Grace. 1697 02:55:11,000 --> 02:55:12,000 Nay. 1698 02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:14,000 It's defeated. 1699 02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:16,000 Five to one. 1700 02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:17,000 Okay. 1701 02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:18,000 That is defeated. 1702 02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:21,000 Now we'll go on to. 1703 02:55:21,000 --> 02:55:25,000 If someone wants to make a motion, we'll bring a buy law forward. 1704 02:55:25,000 --> 02:55:26,000 Is that. 1705 02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:28,000 We have the the buy law. 1706 02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:29,000 Council's wishes. 1707 02:55:29,000 --> 02:55:32,000 We can bring the buy law forward. 1708 02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:34,000 Right now to deal with it. 1709 02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:36,000 With the agreements. 1710 02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:37,000 And. 1711 02:55:37,000 --> 02:55:43,000 We'll take a vote. 1712 02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:44,000 Well. 1713 02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:45,000 Yep. 1714 02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:47,000 You can make a motion. 1715 02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:49,000 Okay. 1716 02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:50,000 In the motion number. 1717 02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:53,000 I think is 2015. 1718 02:55:53,000 --> 02:55:55,000 I think it's. 1719 02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:56,000 Oh. 1720 02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:57,000 All right. 1721 02:55:57,000 --> 02:55:58,000 15 of. 1722 02:55:58,000 --> 02:55:59,000 20. 1723 02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:00,000 Sorry. 1724 02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:01,000 That would come forward. 1725 02:56:01,000 --> 02:56:03,000 Secondly. 1726 02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:05,000 Deputy Mayor Murdock. 1727 02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:08,000 Recorded vote. 1728 02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:11,000 If I could ask for a. 1729 02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:12,000 Recorded vote. 1730 02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:15,000 No no on the served reading. 1731 02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:16,000 Okay. 1732 02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:25,000 Okay. We'll do the first reading. Councilor Murdoch. I mean Deputy Mayor Murdoch. 1733 02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:31,000 Move for first read. Yes. 1734 02:56:31,000 --> 02:56:37,000 Seconded by. Councilor Tammy. All in favor. 1735 02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:43,000 Carried. Second. Deputy Mayor. 1736 02:56:43,000 --> 02:56:48,000 Yeah. Sure. By line number 15 of 2020 being a bylaw to authorize an operating management 1737 02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:53,000 and maintenance agreement for the port of Godarch between Godarch's port management corporation 1738 02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:58,000 GPMC and the corporation of the town of Godarch. 1739 02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:07,000 Take it and spread it first time. Seconded by. Councilor Tammy. All in favor. Carried. 1740 02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:12,000 Move for second reading. Seconded by. 1741 02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:19,000 All in favor. Carried. By line number 15 of 2020 being a bylaw to authorize an 1742 02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:24,000 operating management and maintenance agreement for the port of Godarch between 1743 02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:30,000 Godarch's port management corporation GPMC and the corporation of the town of Godarch. 1744 02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:41,000 Take it and spread it second time. Seconded by. Seconded by. Councilor Hoy. 1745 02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:48,000 Questions. This is really silly, but what was bylaw 14? 1746 02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:54,000 We just read that as bylaw 15. 1747 02:57:54,000 --> 02:58:00,000 There's another one coming in in closed that is bylaw 14 coming forward. 1748 02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:04,000 It's already been assigned. Thank you. Okay. 1749 02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:09,000 Questions? No questions? 1750 02:58:09,000 --> 02:58:17,000 You're. You're a bylaw 15 of 2020 being given a third and final reading. 1751 02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:21,000 Mayor and clerk here by authorize an instructed sign same. 1752 02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:28,000 Place the corporate sealer on to. And I've asked for a recorder vote. 1753 02:58:29,000 --> 02:58:31,000 Councilor Donnelly. 1754 02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:35,000 Councillor Hoy. Yeah. 1755 02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:38,000 Deputy Mayor Murdock. Yeah. 1756 02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:41,000 Councillor Tammy. Yeah. 1757 02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:46,000 Councillor Thompson. Yeah. Mayor Grace. 1758 02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:50,000 Yeah. That's carried on five years one day. 1759 02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:53,000 Okay. 1760 02:58:53,000 --> 02:59:00,000 If I I know it's late we're going to take a five minute recess and we need to go into closed for personal matters. 1761 02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:11,000 If I could ask the clerk to read out why we're going into closed. 1762 02:59:11,000 --> 02:59:18,000 Thank you. Your worship. Council is going to go into personal matters to deal with. 1763 02:59:19,000 --> 02:59:25,000 Sorry to deal with personal matters under section 239 to B D F I and K. 1764 02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:29,000 And I ask at this time that the senior management team that would include the clerk, 1765 02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:36,000 the director of operations and the treasurer in myself to be present during that discussion with Council. 1766 02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:37,000 Thank you. 1767 02:59:37,000 --> 02:59:39,000 Thank you. 1768 03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:27,000 So, I have a motion coming out of closed. There is some personal matters that were addressed by council. And I have a motion here. I need to move on a second or first. 1769 03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:34,000 Second. Second. Second. Second. By councilor Tammy? Can you read the motion? Thank you. 1770 03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:46,000 That gotoch town council approve the revised job description and pay bans for the director of operation position as well as the director of, sorry, the deputy, sorry. 1771 03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:52,000 So, the deputy clerk, a health and safety and emergency preparedness coordinator for the corporation of the town of gotoch. 1772 03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:59,000 The updated pay ban for the director of operation will be set up pay ban 3, pay ban 3 is consistent with the treasures position. 1773 03:20:59,000 --> 03:21:12,000 And the deputy clerk's position will be at pay ban 7, which is consistent with the current deputy clerk's administrative assistant to the CAO and clerk planning coordinator rule. 1774 03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:23,000 These bans will be set and they will become part of the town's non-union salary grid and a subject to the terms of the full time employees of the town of gotoch. 1775 03:21:23,000 --> 03:21:30,000 All in favor. Carry. 1776 03:21:31,000 --> 03:21:37,000 Yes, we need a mover and seconder for the first reading the bylaw 14. 1777 03:21:37,000 --> 03:21:43,000 So moved. All in favor. Carry. 1778 03:21:43,000 --> 03:21:50,000 By law number 14 of 2020 being a bylaw to appoint a deputy clerk, health and safety and emergency, sorry. 1779 03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:54,000 Emergency preparedness coordinator for the corporation of the town of gotoch. 1780 03:21:54,000 --> 03:22:02,000 The appointment will be for a, sorry, excuse me, Michaela, Johnston, Schneiderberg. 1781 03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:10,000 And she will be fulfilling that role immediately as effective January 13, 2020. 1782 03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:17,000 Taking this ready for the first time. 1783 03:22:17,000 --> 03:22:20,000 Move for second reader. 1784 03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:27,000 Seconded by councilor Thomson. 1785 03:22:27,000 --> 03:22:39,000 Sorry, violent number 14 of 2020 being a bylaw to appoint a deputy clerk, health and safety and emergency preparedness coordinator for the corporation of the town of gotoch. 1786 03:22:39,000 --> 03:22:42,000 Take it as ready for second time. 1787 03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:46,000 Seconded by councilor Tammy. 1788 03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:49,000 Any questions on the bylaw? 1789 03:22:49,000 --> 03:22:51,000 All in favor. 1790 03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:53,000 No questions on the bylaw? 1791 03:22:53,000 --> 03:22:54,000 All in favor. 1792 03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:56,000 Carry. 1793 03:22:56,000 --> 03:23:07,000 I would move that bylaw 14 of 2020 be given a third and final reading the mayor and the clerk being our hereby authorised and instructed to sign the same place the corporate sealer on to. 1794 03:23:07,000 --> 03:23:10,000 Seconded by councilor Tammy. 1795 03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:14,000 All in favor. Carry. 1796 03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:19,000 Okay, we'll have confirming bylaw. 1797 03:23:19,000 --> 03:23:23,000 So moved by councilor Donley. 1798 03:23:23,000 --> 03:23:27,000 And councilor Tammy, seconded by councilor Donley. 1799 03:23:27,000 --> 03:23:29,000 Carry. 1800 03:23:29,000 --> 03:23:30,000 A German. 1801 03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:32,000 So moved. 1802 03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:34,000 Councilor Thomson. 1803 03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:37,000 Seconded by. 1804 03:23:37,000 --> 03:23:40,000 Seconded by councilor Donley. 1805 03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:41,000 All in favor. 1806 03:23:41,000 --> 03:23:42,000 Carry. 1807 03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:43,000 Thank you council. 1808 03:23:43,000 --> 03:23:45,000 Good night. 1809 03:23:45,000 --> 03:23:47,000 Okay. 1810 03:24:13,000 --> 03:24:15,000 Thank you.