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Test, test, test,

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test? It'll like

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to call the meeting to order this January 13th, 2020, the first meeting of this new calendar year. And before we get started, as we lowered the flag of town hall last week, because of the disaster in Turan.

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Again, I would like to ask if we could have a moment's silence for those Canadians who died and for the others that perished in the disaster aircraft in Iran, a moment of silence, please.

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Disclosure of curie interest, council, any disclosures, councilor Donnelly.

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Okay. Thank you very much. We'll pass a motion down to you. Thank you.

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Adoption of the minutes and the approval of the agenda. Adoption of the minutes first.

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Can I have someone move the adoption of the minutes?

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Councillor Hoye, seconded by Councillor

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Thompson.

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The adoption of the minutes of December 16th, regular council meetings, as printed.

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Any comments? No comments? All in favor?

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Carried.

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Thank you.

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We'll have a public meeting and we'll have the CEO read it.

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At this time, we have a public meeting to consider a by-law number one of 2020 that is in today's council package.

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Being a by-law to set various fees for the corporation, the town of Gotterch.

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And that is included in the agenda.

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There are two items that speak to the purpose of us bringing this by-law forward.

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and that is stated in section 10.19 and that is a council memo from Jason Dijkstra

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chief building official and 10.22, which is from our treasure, Deanna Hastie.

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The notice of the public meeting was advertised on the town website on December the 20th, 2019,

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and on the town Facebook page on January the 3rd, 2020, as per by on number 29 of 2019, which

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is the town's notice by law.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Okay. Anyone want to speak for the by-law in the motion? Anyone wanting to speak for the by-law before seeing none?

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one, anyone wanting to speak against the by-law, number one, anyone wanting to speak against

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the by-law. For the third and final time, anyone wanting to speak against the by-law.

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Hearing none,

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okay, we will bring the by-law forward at the time during the by-laws later in

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We'll

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go to deputations and petitions, 5.1, retail market study for 414 and 436 here in

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road.

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If I could ask our planner, Victor, to come forward to explain the process and the scope.

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Thank you, your worship and members of council.

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I think I have a slide deck, so I'll just preamble a bit while we're waiting for that to get

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loaded up.

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The, there is a potential application for 414 and 436 here on road.

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At this point, there is no application in front of council.

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The town's official plan sets out commercial policies that want to maintain the town as

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a vibrant retail center for the broader market area.

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As such, it identifies the downtown core as an important focus for commercial activity.

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and then sets out highway commercial and group commercial areas, as also areas where commercial activity can happen.

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Highway commercial areas have the most restrictions on what sort of commercial activities can take place

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with a minimum size requirement for retail stores so that they're larger than the size typically seen in the downtown

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and also a maximum number of units per property, which is set at two as the base and sometimes you end up with more units over time through an application process.

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Yes.

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Group commercial developments, initially this only referred to the mall.

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There are now two group commercial areas in the town.

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The second one is the new LCBO location at the edge of town.

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These are intended to be multi-unit plaza developments or mall style developments, where you do

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have smaller retail uses and you have a larger number of overall units.

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And the intention is that these would support the function of the downtown core by helping

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to provide locations for some of those businesses that prefer arterial road locations and have

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large footprints and kind of that more traditional plaza style development.

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So the, in this case, there is a proposal for a potential new group commercial development

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which is triggering the requirement for a market study.

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So the town's requirements for a market study are that they have to demonstrate a need

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for the amount and type of commercial uses, and no undue detrimental effect on the downtown

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core and the existing group commercial developments, justify why the development can't occur

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in the downtown core, and provide reasonable assurances that there could be tenants available

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for the proposed units.

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And proposals which can't satisfy these criteria would not be approved.

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And these market studies are to be prepared under the direction of council in consultation

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with a proponent.

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Including the terms of reference and selection of a consultant. And it's all at the expense of the proponent for the development.

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And then it goes into a little more detail. So the proposal in question is at the corner of Senkos drive and here on road. The property owner owns two adjacent properties. And they're looking at bringing them both into the group commercial development to allow a bit more flexibility moving forward. The plaza, which contains the NW and used to contain the

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Crabby Joe's, now his car quest and Domino's pizza, there have been a number of rezoning

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applications over the years for that property to add additional commercial units for it.

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If it were brought into the group commercial designation, then a lot of those applications

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wouldn't be required moving forward. Similarly, they owned the old salt building immediately

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to the south and east, and their hope would be in the future to redevelop that property.

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So, like I said, the applicant is proposing to bring the property from highway commercial

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to grouped commercial, to permit additional commercial units and to permit retail units

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would be, which would be under the minimum size for the highway commercial designation,

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but there are no applications in front of council.

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This is just to select a market study consultant and approve the market study process to begin

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at the cost of the proponent.

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And so, I did attach the full terms of reference for the proposal and I'm happy to try to answer any questions the council has, but at this point we are recommending that a by-law be passed to authorize the mayor and clerk to enter into the contractual agreement with urban metrics incorporated for a market study retail market study in the town of Goddard.

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This is essentially the first step in the planning process for this project.

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effect if the market study which is to be prepared with the town as the primary beneficiary

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of the study.

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If it came back and said that there is no surplus need for retail in the town of Goddard,

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then I doubt that we would see an application for a planning, for a official plan amendment

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and rezoning because I could not pass the test in the official plan.

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But if this moves forward, then I expect that we would see an OPA in his own and for

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the property in the future coming to council.

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Yes, Victor.

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I'm just wondering, is it totally restricted to just retail, the study?

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They will go outside that at all.

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The previous study that was done did look briefly at food services, but it depends on the methodology

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of the applicant.

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The official plan test is entirely around retail, so that's all that they'll have to show in the retail market study to have the town satisfied that the proposal could meet the intent of the official plan.

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There's no proposals right now. There's no planning policies in Goddard right now.

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That would restrict the amount of, say, food service locations and where they can be in the town.

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So the only test is, do we have sufficient retail need?

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Would this location be appropriate and if you created retail at that location, would it negatively impact the rest of the town in some way?

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Okay. Thank you, Victor. Councilor, have you got any questions?

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Councilor Hoi.

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So if the market study comes back and it doesn't meet those conditions, we won't have an applicant and therefore the town will have to absorb that cost, correct?

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No, so we would not initiate the retail market study until the applicant agrees and likely puts up the initial expected cost for the study.

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We would not be having the town pay for it initially and then hope to get the money back in the future.

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This is only if the money is provided upfront and then the overage would be paid on an ongoing basis.

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Any other questions? If not, thank you, Vector. We'll deal with this through a by-law

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later on in the meeting. Thank you.

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Okay. Our next deputation is from the BIA. Susan

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is the manager and the chair of the board is Elizabeth. Thank you. There, through you to

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I'm Susan Carrieden, I'm the BIA manager, and with me I'm proud to introduce Elizabeth

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Vandenbrock, who sits as the BIA board chair.

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We don't normally ask for a deputation and we're sending a letter requesting to use

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the courthouse park, but because of the changes that are going to occur on our portion of the

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winterfest events in the downtown core, we're asking for your indulgence for a brief moment

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to go over some of the changes in expectations. So I thank you for your time. The BIA will not

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be hosting ICE TACULAR this year. And we thought it was critically important to reaffirm that message.

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It has gone out in the past. We did do our due diligence and spent three to four months looking

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for cooperative partners, somebody who might be interested in taking it on, but we were

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not successful in doing that.

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So this year, the downtown core is going to look somewhat different.

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We do have a request to use Courthouse Park to run horse and wagon rides, some outdoor

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active events, as well as a candy land scavenger hunt, which would have been this snowflake scavenger

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hunt in the past.

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And so that is a brief outline of our request, but I am at this time going to turn it over to Elizabeth Vandenbrock.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon, Council. Your worship. I'm just here to answer any questions and to clarify

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any information and to be assured that we get permission to use the park in this manner.

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That's a pretty brief presentation.

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I spectacular will miss it, but it was a pretty great event and maybe next year somebody will see its absence

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and want to take up the mantle of holding it.

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I've run it for four years and it's expensive

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and a lot of work.

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Okay, for the viewing public, I know we have it

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in our briefs.

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Could you tell us quickly what we could expect?

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So we have a young entrepreneur on our square,

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Brendan Sorby of Surfset, I believe he came to speak with you

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and there was some confusion as to the way his presentation went.

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So he is to be our main sponsor for the event.

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Instead of using the terminology ice-tacular,

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we're definitely dropping that moniker so to manage the expectation

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of what people will be seeing when they come.

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The Winterfest Downtown 2020 will just be collaborating

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with the other ongoing Winterfest events that are around the community

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so that we're seen as a package of the whole.

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Our horse and wagon, as Susan mentioned, will be back.

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Instead of a snowflake hunt, we're doing a candy land theme hunt, so lollipops really

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working this year to try and engage the businesses so that we have people on the sidewalks and

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going in and out of the store.

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So our focus as our BIA is to get people into the stores.

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The other thing we will be doing is working with Brendan who will be the chairing of the committee or on the committee to do the winter fest in the actual park space.

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So Brendan will be providing snow skates, fat bikes, outdoor, physical activities that will be set up as a free to use.

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So, in the same way, the ice-tacular was a free-to-use activity events-based scenario.

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He's also been approaching other organizations and businesses to host their own scenarios

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as such, and he does have some interest in line.

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But you will not see the ice-slide, you will not see the ice games and the painting walls.

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Although we are looking for sponsors who are willing to create and engage the activities,

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These were considering buying a few packaged activities that if a business said I would

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like to host a giant checker board.

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So we can get still as many kind of play and use things but to a different degree.

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Thank you very much.

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Councillor, have you got any questions?

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No questions from Councillor, I thank you very much and we look forward to the event.

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Okay.

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Do we need anything from this point?

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All right.

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I don't think so.

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I think we're all set.

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Is that everybody's clear?

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Everyone's clear.

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Susan.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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We will move on.

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We'll go back to the deputation.

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And maybe this brings forward the declaration

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from our Environmental Action Committee, and if I could ask the Chair of the Environmental

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Committee to come forward and maybe explain the Declaration of the Environment Committee,

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and also a motion that we will deal with in regards to FCM, if you could come forward.

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Thank

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you very much. Thanks for having me again here this evening.

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So our Environmental Action Committee met last week to discuss further the recommendation

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of a climate emergency in the town of Waterwich.

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And our committee would strongly recommend that we join the more than 400 other Canadian municipalities that have declared an emergency within Canada.

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And I think you all have seen the declaration.

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It should be as part of your package this evening.

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Our committee thinks that this would be an excellent move.

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I believe it would be the second municipality on Lake Huron

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to join a climate emergency state.

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And we would be the first in the county, I believe,

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which would be a very strong move as the town of Goddrich.

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And this move would tell people, especially as a Great Lakes community, that climate change is an important issue.

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It's impacting us. It's impacting us here. We've all seen what's happening along the shoreline and Goddard right now.

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And we're the ones feeling the effects of climate change here on Lake Huron.

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and so this is really a declaration to the rest of Canada

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that this is an important issue

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and we're taking it very seriously.

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And the recommendation that the committee

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made outlines the specific details

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of what types of commitments that we would be making

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as a community.

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Thank you, Erin.

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People deal with that and then there's a motion

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after that, okay.

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Right.

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I have to bring the motion from the partners of climate protection up first because it

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was tabled at the last meeting and I believe that is 14, 12.5 is the FCM, so my apologies

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we'll have to raise it from the table first and then we'll ask you to speak to it if we

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could.

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Hold on. Could I have someone from Council make a motion to raise that from the table?

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Councillor Donnelly. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdoch. Any questions? If not, we'll all

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in favour of raising it from the table. Carried. Now we'll speak to the motion from F.C.M.

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a little you know it doesn't have to be a big description we do have it in our package

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talk about the partners for climate protection and that is parts of an initiative that

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FCM has taken on countrywide and I believe there's over 400 communities involved in that now

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between yourself and maybe our CAO we can explain what that means and how does that breakdown

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community by community. Go ahead, Erin.

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Yes, so declaring a climate emergency sounds like a big strong step and I'm sure all

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of you are thinking about the specifics, you know, what does this specifically mean for

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our community, but really the most important thing is joining this program that's available.

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The FCM puts on this program and there are resources that are available to our community to assess

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That's how we are doing in regards to greenhouse gas emissions, to climate change in general.

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We can look at what power communities currently doing.

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We can set a baseline, and then we can move forward to setting specific targets that are

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achievable and realistic for our shoreline community.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Also, I guess there are a couple other initiatives that sort of couple with this.

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And it's a little bit of a side thing, is the green marine, and it's unfortunate that

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Roland Howe is out of the country right now, but the green marine initiative is something

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that the Environment Committee has started also in conjunction with GPMC, and it is the

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same type of thing as taking the inventory of what we have now, and how can we better our

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flip print going forward in the future but I don't know Jessica would you want to speak to this at all partners

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for a climate protection. And maybe just for the viewing public tell people the position you hold and how you fit into this.

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I'm Jessica Fiery. I'm the Asad Management Environmental Coordinator with the town fresh from mater off from maternity leave. So just catching up on things I've missed over the last year. But I would just add with the with the FCM just with different grant opportunities with environmental projects.

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They're starting to, you know, ask now if your community has a GHG inventory, a climate change plan, all these initiatives, so it's really good for the town to start thinking about these things, having discussions and have things in place because it'll open the doors for more grand opportunities as well.

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from go ahead Deputy Mayor Murdo yes and I'd like to add too that the county has

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already applied and received funding for one individual Lily Hamlin I think

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many of you know her and she is preparing or working on the baseline on the

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counties behalf. And I think it's very good for us in order to start looking at our decision-making

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process with a variety of lenses, one of which should be the environment and how we can

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best protect it and steward it for the future.

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Council, any questions? Councilor Donnelly.

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Not a question, Mr. Mayor. Just a comment. There's a general disposition to support and

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encourage our committees, and there's a specific disposition to support this because it's

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a very timely and important project. Thank you.

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Thank you. Anyone else from council? Okay. We have a motion or we bring forward the motion

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It's on the floor.

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Do we have to move it and second it again?

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If I can have someone move it.

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So moved by Deputy Mayor Murdoch, seconded by Councillor Tamming.

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Any further questions on the motion before us and that's partners for climate protection

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from FCM?

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All in favour?

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Carried.

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Thank you very much.

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Now the declaration, we will bring that one forward.

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We've already we have a mover and seconder and if you could read the read the motion.

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Thank you very much.

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Through you mayor, I have a recommendation from the Environmental Action Committee dated

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today's date and it's been moved by Councillor Roy and seconded by Councillor Tamming.

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The Goddard Town Council continue to support actions to safeguard against the current and potential

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consequences of the global climate crisis and will set policy goals provide appropriate

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to address these goals and mobilize our community to implement these goals once a climate protection program is coordinated between the town of Goddarch and the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and the ICLEI local governments for sustainability in 2020-2021.

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Be it further resolved that based on a five-mile stone framework from the FCM and the ICLEI, the town staff complete a GHG, so that's greenhouse gas emissions inventory

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and forecast, setting a greenhouse gas reduction target, developing a local action plan,

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implement the plan and monitor progress and report results.

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Be it further resolved that town staff is directed to incorporate climate resilience policies

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identified in the climate protection program in the corporate strategic plan,

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the waterfront master plan, and other town plans to ensure climate change and resiliency efforts

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are strong, effective, and aligned.

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Be it further resolved that town staff is directed to promote inter-departmental coordination

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to ensure that the town's emergency management plan offers an aligned approach to the threats

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of the climate crisis and natural hazards, including but not limited to changing great

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lakes, water levels, flooding, erosion, and storm damage.

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Be it further resolved that Goddrich's Environmental Action Committee and town staff commit to educating

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our residents about the financial and regulatory actions needed to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions

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as quickly as possible, with a priority focus to putting it in place policies, programs,

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and actions within the 2030 timeframe. Be it further resolved, the Goddurch's Environmental

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Action Committee and town staff commits to educating our residents about the climate emergency

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and advocating for a transition away from fossil fuel use at the local, county, provincial,

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and national level through a climate planning process.

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Be it further resolve the Goddard's Town Council request our provincial and federal governments,

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all governments and people around the world to initiate an immediate social and economic

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mobilization to reverse anthropogenic climate change and ecological destruction by reducing

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greenhouse gas emissions to meet target set by the FCM, ICLEI and the UN Intergovernmental

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panel on climate change.

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Be it further resolved that the town clerk forward a copy of this resolution to Premier

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Doug Ford, Ben Lobb, MP here on Bruce, Lisa Thompson, MPP for here on Bruce, Environment

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and Climate Change Canada, the Ministry of the Environment, Conservation Parks, the County

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of Huron, and the mainland Valley Conservation Authority.

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So red, questions of council.

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So this is for the declaration emergency for climate change,

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any questions?

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No questions?

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All in favour?

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Carried.

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Okay.

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Mayor's remarks.

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Other than our waterfront, I don't have any.

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I will short update to the waterfront.

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Construction continues on a very aggressive state because we have an open winter and we're able to move on it very progressively and

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and aggressively.

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I have been down in numerous times to see where we're at and how we're doing.

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the staff are doing a marvellous job along with the engineers and here in contracting.

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I don't know if council may have questions later on in the meeting about the waterfront,

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but that's all I have to report.

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I would ask any councillors remarks,

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Deputy Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Just some information, some of you probably are already aware of it.

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But the hearing public health unit has, as of January the second of this year, merged with Perth County Health Unit, and there now being operated jointly and separately, whereas ours previously was part of the county of Huron, this is actually an autonomous unit.

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Any way there are the important thing is that both counties are being their public health requirements are being taken care of by the respective counties still.

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It's just that it's rather a joint or a consolidation of efforts.

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Thank you for the update.

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Anyone else have a comment?

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Okay, we'll move on to financial reports, accounts.

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If I could have it moved and seconded by Councillor Thompson.

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That the accounts for the period ending December 30th, 2019 in the amount of 2,829,704

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and seven cents be approved for payment,

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already moved in second, all in favor.

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Carried.

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Departmental reports.

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Can I have someone, so move?

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Councillor Haye, Councillor Tamming seconds it, that the department reports that be received, as stated.

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Any questions? Deputy Mayor Murdo.

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Just a comment with regards to the building report, which is a year-to-date report for 2019.

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Just a comment that the total value of permits exceeded $24 million this past year as compared to $7.5 million in 2018.

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So, that's a significant improvement, and it seems to have hit all of the categories

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whether it be residential primarily but also commercial and industrial.

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Thank you.

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All in favor?

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Carried.

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A correspondence received and copied for which the direction of council is required?

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8.1.

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the

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OPP contract. Where is that fine gentleman?

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The detachment commander is here and

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Councillor

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Donnelly has removed himself from the council table. It is in front of us. We have asked

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the detachment commander if you could come forward, sir. Maybe we can address a few questions that

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Council may have, if you could state your name again and your rank, and then we have

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a few questions for you.

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Sure.

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Through you, Your Worship.

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My name is Rob Scott.

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I'm an inspector with the Ontario Provincial Police.

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I'm currently assigned as the interim detachment commander as a Fierrent County since September.

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I'm also the detachment commander in Perth County as well, Perth County detachment commander.

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So, it's my pleasure serving you. I've had a great several months here. It's gone very

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quickly and I'm certainly open to any questions that you may have.

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So, I think our biggest question, sir, is as it evolves into a new model, what does it

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like for the community of garbage for policing going forward, and the biggest concern that

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I've heard is, will we still have the same amount of boots on the ground? Will we still

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have the same amount of service? And maybe you can describe in a few brief moments of what

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What does it look like?

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What kind of changes do you see in the next four or five months, especially when we see

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the major police station out on Highway 21, be moved to Clinton, and also our local

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establishment will receive changes also.

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Maybe you can describe it for the public, and then we'll have open up for questions.

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Yeah, through you, your worship.

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Having a centralized location, I've worked in various attachments throughout my career,

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and I will try to make this brief because I've been known to go over my time at computations

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before.

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But having one centralized location is certainly an advantage, I think, not only to us but

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to the community, it allows, you know, from a attachment command perspective to have all

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your resources in one place and then deployed from that location.

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Over the last several years under Commissioner Hawks, he pushed quite aggressively to bring the OPP up to its current standards as far as pushing technology.

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All our cruisers now have mobile work stations, we know where they are, they're all tied in through GPS network technology to provincial comm center.

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We currently have, and it's for the last several years, had closest to the call, which basically it's cut down.

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is for two reasons public safety improve response time, where we know where our officers are, so any officer even say they're from South Bruce are traveling through the area,

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will be dispatched to a call if it's a high priority serious call.

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So moving forward, that's going to stay the same, it's going on now.

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From an analytical perspective, the days of just taking your keys when I started a long time ago,

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And driving on aimlessly, writing out tickets and you got all these tickets, that was a measure of good response.

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Certainly, that's changed, like municipalities, the OPP has budgets to address, and all these things, and it impacts the bottom line, and officers, and all those things.

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But one of the things is we look at is deployment through our analytics, where are our calls for service, and we'll deploy officers to there.

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So rest assured knowing the size of this community there will be officers deployed to your community.

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I am a believer in increasing visibility, foot patrol, all those things.

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It is a challenge.

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It certainly is a challenge all the time because of the other calls, some of our you know

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calls where we see that currently there are priorities around areas of mental health and addiction

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issues and they do occupy a lot of police and emergency services time.

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So, as well, looking forward to establish, as well, working with the municipality, a local

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extended service office in the community here, which

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We'll give our officers a place to go and report out of while they're working in this zone. And certainly by looking at other, you know, our peak times for calls for service and trying to ensure that officers are where they need to be. So, those are just a couple of, you know, a very high oversight as to those things moving forward. And I don't know if there's any other questions. I know I'm limited for time because I could go on and I'd probably miss some things.

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and key points that you'd like to see addressed.

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Okay, we'll stop there for a second.

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Council, have you got questions in the level of services

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that we're talking about of 5.1 or 10?

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What is the enhanced?

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Council, question?

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Maybe this isn't the right time to ask the question,

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but when we're talking about the contractor,

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we want to talk about the options we had available

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in the pros and cons or do you want to save that to later?

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No, if you have a question, I think we have the gentleman here that can answer the question.

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What is, are the pros and cons of the enhanced versus, I think it's 5.1?

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So from my point of view, I know I understand it already, but for the viewing audience, they

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may not.

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That's what we want to make clear is a good question.

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So, between the two programs, if you could describe to us now, we've always had the enhanced

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but we've had a full office here.

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Now we're going to go into an agreement moving forward that may not have the enhanced.

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What does that look like?

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Is that reflected with boots on the ground?

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No, through you, your worship.

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Realistically, you should not see that the public should really not see that much of an impact

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to boots on the grounds with the exception of the fact officers won't be reporting to the

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location here.

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There's a whole variety of reasons that have changed, even giving when you look at the

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technology that we use to take statements and video statements, the burden and the cost

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associated with those things would be, you know, to have in multiple places, wouldn't

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be cost effective.

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But when you look at that from a contract enhanced, a contract enhanced, basically a contract

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allows you to, all the crime prevention strategies and everything you're, you're commonly

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accustomed to now, but it also gives you the ability, the municipality ability to apply

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for grants and various other crime prevention options through the government, should they

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become available.

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Well, when you add an enhancement to that here, you have a sergeant and a administrative

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assistant locally.

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I can tell you that even from the administration that was back when Goddard's changed

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like some 20 plus years ago, that role has changed immensely where everything's probably

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done online.

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Our background checks everything.

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They will be done in Clinton because that's where the technology that we are given through

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the RCMP to do everything on finger princess.

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To have those in multiple locations, again, is often difficult to do.

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So that role has changed a great deal.

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From a court perspective, when you look at traditionally our administrative assistants have

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done all the court work because of the technology that our officer has available to us now.

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The civilian data entry, the dictated into the cell phone that provided every shift.

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That goes into our data base, it gets dictated and transcribed.

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And now officers are sending e-briefs to the court and we just started that within the last several months here.

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So that whole role of an enhanced position when you look at an administrative assistant has changed.

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So if you looked at what you've been used to here.

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You should see very little impact, except for the fact that when people have to do, you know, their background checks or various things, they need to go down, they would have to go to Clinton in this case.

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When you talk, when you speak to, I have to see a police officer right now and run into that office. There's a chance there may not be right now or in for the last several years of police officer in that building because they're on calls for service in and around Goddrich.

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So it still remains the 1-800 number to contact our communication center in London.

439
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:46,240
So in London itself, our communication center is going through a whole new revamped upgrade in that technology as well.

440
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,220
So that should then translate into better service for all communities that we serve.

441
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:59,840
So when you look at 5.1 contract, that's basically, I'm sorry, I'll go back to the contract position.

442
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:06,380
That allows you have an established police service board which has been a very rudiment

443
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:14,580
and strong functioning board here for many many years back probably to the municipal police

444
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,760
and that allows the through the police chair to have a direct link to council and ultimately

445
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,520
the community with the detachment commander and that's something that's moving forward

446
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,900
you can you would retain as a seat on that and there are other changes coming but I won't get

447
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:36,640
into that because that's on the scope I think of the question. When you look at a 5.1 contract

448
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:42,340
that's basically says you're paying for a police service we'll respond to calls we'll do the basic

449
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:48,860
minimum of crime prevention some rides those various things in the community more about response

450
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:55,020
most communities that choose that don't really have the calls for service that would maybe justify

451
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:57,240
if I have entering into a contract perhaps.

452
00:50:57,460 --> 00:50:59,620
But again, those are municipal decisions

453
00:50:59,620 --> 00:51:04,840
that are at the under the purview of council and mayor.

454
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:15,570
The biggest concern we have is service, service, service.

455
00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:20,130
Boots on the ground, that's our concern.

456
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:24,930
We don't want to lose any type of service

457
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:29,610
that would lessen officers working

458
00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:35,470
in our community. That's important to council, it's important to the community.

459
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:39,610
And Councillor Tammi.

460
00:51:40,890 --> 00:51:47,530
Just so that we're for the viewing public and for the public, even if we would do the

461
00:51:47,530 --> 00:51:53,850
enhancements, let's say we did a section 10 with the enhancements, our sergeant or the

462
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:58,370
sergeant that we would have and our administrative assistant will no longer be in the town of

463
00:51:58,930 --> 00:52:01,370
in the area they would be stationed out of Clinton.

464
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:03,050
Is that right in April?

465
00:52:03,790 --> 00:52:04,810
Yes, that's correct.

466
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:08,970
So, by not having the enhancement, we'd still have.

467
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:11,410
So, even if we had the enhancement with our administrative assistant,

468
00:52:11,970 --> 00:52:15,910
we still would have to go to Clinton in order to get police checks and stuff like that.

469
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:17,270
That's correct.

470
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:18,510
You could still have the enhancement.

471
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:19,970
They could still work here.

472
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:24,370
However, with the sergeant, he's deployed an administrative assistant, isn't.

473
00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:27,810
So, a sergeant, you could still have that.

474
00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:35,330
That's just a different look, and they would come here for the day, but they would still have to report back to Clinton at the end of their tour of duty.

475
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:35,930
That's correct.

476
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:48,590
If we didn't have that sergeant, it would still not impact the feet that are on the ground in the service that we get.

477
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:54,830
No, not at all, and again, we work on based on our call for service, we're doing many proactive things now.

478
00:52:55,330 --> 00:53:01,010
Based on, again, our analytics are focused patrols, we have problem areas, we dedicate officers to that.

479
00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:07,470
We go where there's a need and we work with the community to try and address those needs to do otherwise in my opinion

480
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:12,650
This attached commanders are waste of resources and when you look at the size of God rich and I've worked in many municipalities

481
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:16,450
Just big and a little biter. I can assure you officers will be here and

482
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:24,710
And we'll try to again improve on that that service one of the things we have and I just got approval for as we do

483
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:27,470
We are responsible for the security in the courts

484
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:30,830
which already have two officers that will be in town every day, there's a court.

485
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:35,170
And we've also, we've just received approval to advertise for two special

486
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:41,250
constables to be in the courts as well to provide that assistance and some security in the courts.

487
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:46,990
In addition to, this will be a full-time patrol zone with officers dedicated here.

488
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:52,390
And with officers coming in here, when extra officers, when needed, and vice versa.

489
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:55,990
No, that's definitely a bonus for us.

490
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:57,970
Deputy Mayor has a question.

491
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:58,950
Sure, Mr. Mayor.

492
00:54:01,210 --> 00:54:08,890
It would seem to me that from a frequency standpoint, we probably would have more officers

493
00:54:08,890 --> 00:54:12,590
involved with the mental health and addiction side of it.

494
00:54:13,310 --> 00:54:19,230
And then to a lost year degree and certainly becoming even more diminishing courthouse security

495
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:22,190
and courthouse appearances on behalf of the police.

496
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:26,850
So what you're really saying then is from the mental health

497
00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:30,590
and addictions because we're a scheduled one hospital,

498
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:34,350
which is uncommon for perhaps a community

499
00:54:34,350 --> 00:54:42,970
or size, you'll still be able to assist in that regard.

500
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:44,670
I guess that's a proper way.

501
00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:48,120
Is that the case?

502
00:54:48,720 --> 00:55:08,060
Yes, three-year worship. Absolutely. Just on that note alone, the fact that officers have to attend here in court regularly, that's officers coming to town, and the fact that for the mental health aspect at the hospital, this is where officers in here in County bring those that require treatment here as well.

503
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:14,460
So officers will be coming here from other parts of the county as they always have

504
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,420
In relation to those

505
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,040
Those processes as well

506
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:28,080
Okay, any other questions? One more from counselor. He likes to ask. I have lots of questions always

507
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,440
so um

508
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,980
Any change to community relations or community education

509
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:39,660
We have a really, some really great officers that have done some fantastic education in the school system and the medical system.

510
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,200
Any changes at all?

511
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:45,520
Yes, as a matter of fact, I think for the better.

512
00:55:47,060 --> 00:55:52,500
We've, something that I've, I've, through the last acting detachment commander and

513
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:57,580
something that I've established in Perth, is we actually have a community safety unit.

514
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,540
That, that integrates our media officer, our community service officer,

515
00:56:01,540 --> 00:56:04,520
our mobilization officer and our school officer.

516
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:07,000
And that's something that we're moving forward

517
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,180
with the Tri-Stream Line.

518
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Actually bridge gaps within that.

519
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:12,960
I'm a big proponent of officers in the schools,

520
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:15,680
school proso- officers.

521
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,460
I recognize something like Jamie Stanley's

522
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:21,060
been an integral part of this community.

523
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,340
I'm only had to provide support

524
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:25,740
and further some of those things as well.

525
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:28,000
So these are things that I've done in other areas

526
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,660
where I've worked.

527
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:36,760
and I am very community-minded and I know the benefits of that and that's the importance of what we do.

528
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,140
Okay, Deputy Mayor Murdoch, your mic is on.

529
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,400
If there's no more questions, thank you very much.

530
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:53,520
We really appreciate your time coming up to God rich tonight and we look forward to working with you in the future.

531
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:54,720
Thank you.

532
00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:00,480
Through you. Thank you very much, and I certainly enjoyed my time here so far, and I don't plan on going anywhere unless

533
00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:07,220
The person I report to in a really as is otherwise. So thank you very much, and I appreciate it. Thank you

534
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:17,440
Council, I'm wondering if we could have make a motion for a recommendation that we do enter into a section 10

535
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:21,840
For a four-year contract. We would bring a bylaw forward

536
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,900
once we pass this motion for Council's consideration at the next meeting.

537
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:32,380
But it would be section 10, four years with no enhancement.

538
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:51,820
One sergeant in the detachment administrative clerk by maintaining section 10 of the contact the town police services board will continue to meet with the detachment commander and municipal and provincial representatives of the mayor and the CAO.

539
00:57:51,820 --> 00:58:06,320
That would be the recommendation that we're asking Council to approve tonight, but that we would bring back a motion to reflect that, not a motion, a by-law to reflect that at the next meeting for Council's consideration.

540
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:09,580
Do you need a motion?

541
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:11,620
Okay,

542
00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:20,560
so moved by Deputy Mayor Murdoch, seconded by Councillor Tamming. Any other questions

543
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:26,600
in regards to this motion? So come back in a by-law for your consideration in two weeks.

544
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,660
All in favour? Carried. Thank you, Council.

545
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:35,910
We could ask, yeah, heads on his way.

546
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:56,560
Okay, we're on to nine correspondence received for information. Can I have someone move it, please?

547
00:58:57,540 --> 00:59:01,900
Can I have someone move it? Councillor Thompson, Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

548
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:09,360
The correspondence we received for information. And that's from 9.1 to 9.10.

549
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,620
Anything in there that you need to discuss

550
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:17,770
or you had a question on?

551
00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:23,070
No, I have a question, just a comment, I guess.

552
00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:32,630
And that is in regards to 9-7 in Hemsana, which is on Parsons Court, just that they've

553
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:37,770
applied for cannabis license in terms of processing.

554
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:42,190
And I just thought people should be aware of that.

555
00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:43,650
Okay.

556
00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:46,630
Thank you very much for allowing that.

557
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:50,750
Anything else? If not, all in favor.

558
00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:51,750
Carry.

559
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:56,630
Correspondence received and recommended action noted.

560
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:57,930
Move by.

561
00:59:58,610 --> 00:59:59,830
Move by.

562
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,100
Aye, Councillor Thompson, seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdoch. That the correspondence items be received for information, and the noted action be approved. And that's from 10.1 straight through to 10.22,

563
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:52,290
seeing and hearing no comments or hands.

564
01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:56,010
Last chance, council.

565
01:00:58,740 --> 01:01:01,140
Okay, approved. All in favor?

566
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:02,760
Okay,

567
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:21,990
we're going to go back into 10.10 as that will require a separate motion for

568
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:29,230
sign authority for our new CAO. I figured that we should let her have some sign authority.

569
01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:35,490
So if I can have someone move that it's a memo from our treasurer dated January 2nd regarding

570
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:40,230
in sign authority of the CAO, so moved by Councillor Tamin,

571
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:42,450
seconded by Deputy Mayor Murdoff.

572
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:46,050
Fairly straightforward, all in favor.

573
01:01:46,830 --> 01:01:47,130
Carried.

574
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:51,420
Now we'll go on to

575
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:58,100
resolutions from other municipalities.

576
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:58,720
None.

577
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:00,080
Twelve.

578
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:04,070
Twelve.

579
01:02:04,830 --> 01:02:05,950
Unfinished business.

580
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:18,270
12.1 is cottage memorial arena still outstanding 12.2 harbor discussions in a GPMC which we will

581
01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:28,250
have during closed and some open later on in the meeting 12.3 Dominic and I'm suggesting

582
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:47,690
I've seen that maybe if staff could bring back a recommendation and a motion for next council and we can put this to bed and move on, would that be appropriate, so that will come back in a motion for next council.

583
01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:54,210
I think we moved it to the strategic planning session.

584
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:59,670
Yeah, and I thought we resolved it so that we would bring it back, but there's not

585
01:02:59,670 --> 01:03:04,590
a motion here tonight with a recommendation of staff.

586
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:07,930
So I'd ask staff to bring it back and we can all with it.

587
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:10,610
I think that's the right way to go.

588
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:17,000
and 12.4 is,

589
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,120
yeah, and that will all come in close session,

590
01:03:27,110 --> 01:03:28,250
12.5.

591
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:29,210
We've dealt with

592
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,320
13, five laws and agreements,

593
01:03:44,860 --> 01:03:48,140
and if Councillor Donnelly.

594
01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:59,540
Mr. Mayor, before we leave 12.4, request to God Report Management Corporation to disclose

595
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:10,220
to the town the amount paid by GPMC since March 24, 2015 to the solicitors for negotiating

596
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:17,320
the revised OMM contract pending a waiting response from GPMC.

597
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,120
Why is that necessarily enclosed?

598
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:27,980
It doesn't have to be that person but will be in the open portion when we talk about

599
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:34,420
GPMC and I think there will be a further motion reflecting another scenario with that.

600
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:37,220
Is that information available?

601
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,500
It is not available as of yet.

602
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,840
that we have not received that documentation.

603
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:49,200
What I'd be right in suggesting this, that that request was made about the 6th of December

604
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,180
and it remains outstanding.

605
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:56,340
Has there been any response of any kind?

606
01:04:57,550 --> 01:04:58,280
No response.

607
01:04:58,660 --> 01:04:59,220
No response.

608
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:05,720
You know, I write in suggesting this that our own clerk or in our treasurer, I guess,

609
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:14,680
was requested to check and see what we had paid for our legal advice, and that was made

610
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,560
available to us overnight.

611
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,180
That's correct.

612
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:18,700
Yes.

613
01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:21,960
Do you draw any inference from that, Mr. Mayor?

614
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:22,860
Yes, I do.

615
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:33,200
Well, I have for a long time held this position that people elected me to do two things.

616
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:39,260
They want me to think, and they want me to speak, and I have been thinking what I've

617
01:05:39,260 --> 01:05:47,720
been here, and I've deliberately decided not to speak about this GPMC for the moment.

618
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:54,780
I'd say three or four times in the past, I've been going to speak, and I delayed it because

619
01:05:55,420 --> 01:06:00,140
I did not wish to imperil any negotiations that were in progress.

620
01:06:00,140 --> 01:06:12,200
But I feel a obligation, A, to speak and B, to speak at an opportune time in my judgment, and I will do so.

621
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:12,960
Thank you.

622
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:15,660
Thank you, Councillor.

623
01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:34,690
Thank you again, Councillor.

624
01:06:35,570 --> 01:06:44,610
They have acknowledged the receipt of that, and they are going to send us something, and we will follow up on it first thing in the morning.

625
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:47,510
Thank you, but they have acknowledged the request.

626
01:06:47,950 --> 01:06:58,310
Tell me, why is it necessary once a concluded negotiation has been made as I understand this

627
01:06:58,310 --> 01:07:04,180
to be because the completed document has been given to us.

628
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:07,120
This is the end product of five years' work.

629
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:10,220
Why does that have to be in closed session?

630
01:07:10,220 --> 01:07:17,040
Is that not public information and if there's an explanation to be made as to the content

631
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:24,080
and meaning of the document, is the public not A, have a right of disclosure and B, a

632
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,820
right of transparency to know what's in there?

633
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,360
Yes, and I think we should be in open.

634
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:38,680
I think there may be a few details in the negotiation portion that our solicitor is suggesting

635
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:44,360
that he give you that information enclosed, but the general discussion and all the information

636
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,960
before us will come out into open.

637
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:46,520
Well.

638
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:47,900
But it's up to counsel.

639
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,280
I want to make this point abundantly clear.

640
01:07:51,960 --> 01:08:01,360
I will not be muzzled by some allegation that I sat back and let this develop under a bedsheet

641
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:06,080
here where people couldn't see it, and then I'm going to be told, well, we all get under

642
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:12,500
the bed sheet. Nobody can tell what happened under there. Donnelly, you cannot discuss this

643
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:18,980
because it's confidential information. I say, let us avoid that kind of a discussion

644
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:26,520
and do it out in public where the people have a right to know. If there are some specific

645
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:34,520
items that are said to be confidential of that nature, they can stand aside for the moment.

646
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:43,760
We can be told what they are, and if there's justification for the closed session on the basis of that information, I'll agree to it.

647
01:08:44,060 --> 01:08:58,700
Otherwise, my position is public information, transparency, accountability, five years' work, the council are entitled to know what happened, but no more so than the public.

648
01:08:59,060 --> 01:08:59,480
Thank you.

649
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:00,700
Absolutely, I agree.

650
01:09:01,580 --> 01:09:03,920
That's the end of the close session then.

651
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:05,460
Let's get on with it.

652
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:06,560
Okay, thank you.

653
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:12,120
We are at by-laws and by-law 2 of 2020.

654
01:09:14,860 --> 01:09:15,620
Where am I?

655
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:19,540
Got me off course.

656
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:32,590
Okay.

657
01:09:34,330 --> 01:09:38,670
By-laws 1, by-laws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

658
01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:40,070
If you could.

659
01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:41,050
I won't even read it.

660
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:41,830
You can move it all.

661
01:09:42,730 --> 01:09:44,790
Thank you. Let me go back a picture.

662
01:09:48,210 --> 01:10:00,470
I would move that bylaws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 of 2020 be introduced and read for the first time.

663
01:10:02,970 --> 01:10:09,490
Seconded by Councilor Tim. All in favor? Carried.

664
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:15,190
Bylaw 1 of 2020 being a bylaw to set various fees for the corporations in the town of

665
01:10:15,190 --> 01:10:18,210
Goddurch and to repeal bylaw number 111 of 2019.

666
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:24,690
The purpose of this bylaw is to update schedule F. Storm and sanitary sewer rates and schedule

667
01:10:24,690 --> 01:10:31,090
G water rates to reflect the increase in rates from 2019 to 2020 and to add schedule N plumbing

668
01:10:31,090 --> 01:10:36,110
and septic rates due to the download of responsibility from the Huron County Health Unit to the lower

669
01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:58,850
Bylaw 2 of 2020 being a bylaw to adopt the County of Huron 2020 Annual Accessibility Plan, the purpose of this bylaws to adopt the County of Huron's 2020 Annual Accessibility Plan as the Town of Goddard is part of the Huron County Accessibility Advisory Committee and is required on the Accessibility for Ontarians and Disabilities Act to prepare and publish an annual Accessibility Plan.

670
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:03,970
Bylaw 3 of 2020 being a bylaw to authorize the mayor in clerk to execute and affix the

671
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:08,470
corporate seal to a contractual agreement for a retail market study in the town of

672
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:10,010
Goddurch by Urban Metrics Inc.

673
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:15,170
The purpose of this bylaw is to undertake a retail market study in relation to a forthcoming

674
01:11:15,170 --> 01:11:21,490
commercial redevelopment application for 414 and 436 here on road and as a precondition

675
01:11:21,490 --> 01:11:23,390
for a complete planning application.

676
01:11:23,890 --> 01:11:28,730
The town requires a professional retail market study that will independently evaluate the anticipated

677
01:11:28,730 --> 01:11:34,610
impacts of new or additional commercial development by law 4 of 2020 being a

678
01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:39,170
by-law to provide for interim tax levies for the year 2020 for the corporation

679
01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:43,130
the town of Gotterge. The purpose of this by-law is to issue interim tax

680
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:48,490
levies and to establish the 2020 due dates for taxes by law 5 of 2020 being a

681
01:11:48,490 --> 01:11:52,950
by-law to strike uncollectable, realty, commercial, industrial and BIA taxes

682
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:57,130
from the tax role for the years 2017, 2018, and 2019.

683
01:11:57,490 --> 01:12:07,450
The purpose of this by-laws to remove uncollectable, realty commercial industrial and BIA taxes from the role for 2017, 2018, and 2019, due to assessment changes.

684
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:16,030
By-laws six of 2020 being a by-law of the corporation, the town of Goddard's authorizing the borrowing of money to meet current expenditures of the Council of the town of Goddard's.

685
01:12:16,030 --> 01:12:21,830
The purpose of this viola is to allow the municipality to borrow $4.1 million if required

686
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:27,310
for the payment of various expenses until the taxes and other revenues are collected.

687
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:33,210
By last 7 of 2020, being a viola of the Corporation of the Town of Goddard to authorizing the municipality,

688
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:39,110
to utilize the direct electronic funds transfer service offered by a BIMO bank of Montreal.

689
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:43,550
The purpose of this viola is to allow the town of Goddard to continue to transfer monies

690
01:12:43,550 --> 01:12:45,190
electronically through the bank of Montreal.

691
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:51,890
Bylaw 8 of 2020, being a bylaw to appoint a plumbing and on-site septic services inspector

692
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:57,330
for the town of Goddurch, the purpose of this bylaw is to appoint Larry Fulton as a plumbing

693
01:12:57,330 --> 01:13:00,410
and on-site services inspector for the town of Goddurch.

694
01:13:00,610 --> 01:13:05,710
Bylaw 9 of 2020, being a bylaw to authorize the widening of part of Bennett Street, the purpose

695
01:13:05,710 --> 01:13:10,210
of this bylaw is to dedicate and use land as a highway that was acquired through registration

696
01:13:10,210 --> 01:13:14,190
to widen Bennett Street, and that involves Dagnie and Richard Haas.

697
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:19,990
Biola 10 of 2020, being a Biola to authorize the widening of part of Benet Street, the purpose

698
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:24,130
of this Biola is to dedicate and use land as a highway that was required through registration

699
01:13:24,130 --> 01:13:28,970
to widen Benet Street under the name Robert Kevin McElwain.

700
01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:35,590
Biola 11 of 2020, being a Biola to repeal Biola 81 of 2019, and to confirm the various

701
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:39,050
appointment of Laisons, committees and boards for the corporations town of Goddard.

702
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:43,690
The purpose of this by-law is to update various changes to certain committees and boards.

703
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:49,710
By-law 12 of 2020 being a by-law respecting construction, demolition, change of use, and inspection,

704
01:13:50,230 --> 01:13:54,970
and to repeal by-law number 25 of 2007 and by-law 42 of 2010.

705
01:13:55,510 --> 01:14:00,750
The purpose of this by-law is to update the building by-law to include plumbing and septic services.

706
01:14:01,150 --> 01:14:05,950
By-law 13 of 20 being a by-law to establish a policy for non-union management employees

707
01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:10,070
with regards to time off and lieu, and to repeal bylaw 15 of 2013.

708
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:14,590
The purpose of this bylaw is to implement a new time off and lieu policy.

709
01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:24,590
Taking us right a first, I seconded by Councillor Donnelly, all in favor.

710
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:35,660
Gary, I would move that bylaws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 of 2020.

711
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:42,260
be read a second time. Seconded by Councillor Gondley. All in favor, carry.

712
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:49,300
Bylaw 1 of 2020 being a bylaw to set various fees for the Corporation of the Town of

713
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:55,020
Goddurch and to repeal bylaw 111 of 2019. Bylaw 2 of 20 being a bylaw to adopt the

714
01:14:55,020 --> 01:14:59,660
county of Huron 2020 annual accessibility plan by law 3 of 2020.

715
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:59,980
The last six of 2020 being a by-law of the Corporation of the Town of Goddard to authorizing the borrowing of money to meet current expenditures of the Council of the Corporation of the Town of Goddard. By-law's 7 of 2020 being a by-law of the Corporation of the Town of Goddard to authorizing the municipality to utilize the direct electronic funds transfer service offered by BMO Bank Montreal. By-law 8 of 2020 being a by-law to appoint a plumbing and on-site septic services inspector for the Town of Goddard. By-law 9 of 2020 being a by-law to authorize the widening of part of benign.

716
01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:05,520
by law 10 of 2020 being a by-law to authorize the widening of part of Bennett Street.

717
01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:13,780
By-law 11 of 2020 being a by-law to repeal by-law 81 of 2019 and to confirm the very

718
01:16:13,780 --> 01:16:17,240
appointment of Laisons, committees and boards for the Corporation of the Town of Goddard.

719
01:16:17,540 --> 01:16:24,440
By-law 12 of 2020 being a by-law respecting construction, demolition, change of use, and inspection

720
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:41,020
and to repeal by-law number 25 of 2007, and by-law 42 of 2010, by-law 13 of 2020 being a by-law to establish a policy for non-union management employees with regards to time off in lieu, and to repeal by-law 15 of 2013.

721
01:16:41,020 --> 01:16:41,160
13?

722
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,520
Thank you, Mr. Vice.

723
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:43,140
Second time.

724
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:45,460
Second to buy.

725
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:47,000
Councilor Thompson.

726
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,060
All in favour?

727
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,000
Carried.

728
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,020
Questions?

729
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:56,600
Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

730
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:58,260
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

731
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,980
With regards to Baylau No. 5 that are referring to or relating to

732
01:17:04,940 --> 01:17:06,340
Uncollectable Accounts.

733
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:15,690
From what I can see it looks like there's $111,000 of uncollectable accounts, is that correct?

734
01:17:21,230 --> 01:17:22,890
That's just not the municipal portion.

735
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:30,490
She's got the county as well, and the school board's municipal portion on that is $45,000.

736
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:37,590
So then my next question would be because we budget tax

737
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,720
rate to collect that entire revenue,

738
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:54,920
So have we built into it then a loss factor or an uncollectable factor, and how does that compare to the amount set aside for the budget?

739
01:17:55,540 --> 01:18:08,360
In the budget, we had 70,000 for write-offs as an expense, so we budget the entire tax revenue, and then we do have an allocation of 70,000 for write-ups that occur during the year.

740
01:18:08,540 --> 01:18:10,200
We try and estimate, but it's very different.

741
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:16,200
So that would be below the norm that it would seem given that we budgeted 70.

742
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:25,040
So for the next thing would be from a comparability factor would be as compared to last year or prior years.

743
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:29,280
I don't have that bigger with me, I can certainly provide that.

744
01:18:29,660 --> 01:18:32,480
No, I just thought the public should be aware that.

745
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:40,720
It fluctuates based on what requests for reconsideration come forward from property owners and any write-offs demolitions.

746
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,860
It really fluctuates here to year.

747
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:45,960
Thank you.

748
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:52,360
Any other questions on the bylaws before we have the final.

749
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,680
My question was for the garage to 13.8.

750
01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:05,300
And it was the bylaw to appoint a plumbing and on-site septic services inspector for the town of Goddard.

751
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:09,280
My understanding was we were doing this in conjunction with another municipality, I think

752
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,760
it was Ashburn, Colbert, and Marlonneau.

753
01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:15,900
Did we come to an agreement on what percentage they were going to pay, or how that split

754
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:16,500
was going to work?

755
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,300
I'll ask to see, you'll dance to the question.

756
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:27,340
Through your worship, we had actually had discussions previously with ACW to enter into

757
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:31,340
an agreement with first shared services arrangement with ACW.

758
01:19:31,340 --> 01:19:37,200
Unfortunately, we have made the decision not to enter into that agreement.

759
01:19:37,620 --> 01:19:43,280
This we are entering into a one-year contract with Larry Fulton, who is a previous plumbing

760
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:50,260
inspector with the county health unit, and he's agreed to work for the town for any inspections

761
01:19:50,260 --> 01:19:53,880
that would be pre-planned for Tuesdays and Thursdays of each week.

762
01:19:53,880 --> 01:20:02,540
Thank you. Any other questions in the by-laws? If not, Deputy Mayor Murdoch. Take it away.

763
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:19,050
I would move that by-laws 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 of 2020 be given a third and final reading.

764
01:20:19,630 --> 01:20:26,750
And the Mayor and the clerk be in our hereby authorized and instructed to sign the same and place the corporate seal there unto.

765
01:20:27,710 --> 01:20:29,850
Seconded by Councillor Lonely.

766
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:34,060
All in favor, carried.

767
01:20:55,780 --> 01:21:04,880
14.1 has been previously dealt with. We'll move on to 14.2, site plan agreement amendment.

768
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:10,120
And if I can ask the CEO to make a comment on it.

769
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,380
Thank you, Your Worship. Through you, we've received a request.

770
01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:24,740
This property for 121 Huckins and 141 Huckins was previously owned by Rob Cerencensche.

771
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:28,540
It was under a numbered company of 225915 Ontario Inc.

772
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:34,040
And it has been purchased by Upper Canada Kitchen and Bath Limited.

773
01:21:34,540 --> 01:21:38,060
The site plan does indicate that it is transferable.

774
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,260
The site plan itself is transferable.

775
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:47,480
However, they have asked for an extension as their permits with the MTO are looking at

776
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:53,940
there's an extension requirement with the MTO for September the 30th of 2020, so that's

777
01:21:53,940 --> 01:21:59,860
why we're asking at this point in time for a site plan agreement amendment motion to be

778
01:21:59,860 --> 01:22:05,060
made by Council tonight so that we can make an amendment specifically to the site plan

779
01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:17,080
agreement that speaks to the extension of the work that will not be carried out, and that would coincide with the permits that would be dealt with through the MTO as well, with the

780
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,560
September 30th, 2020 date.

781
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:31,780
And this is the property that is owned by Rona, so it's all in the same two separate parcels, but owned by the principles of Rona.

782
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,460
I'm very strong on Huckins Street, corner of Huckins and Bayfield Road.

783
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:39,200
Can I have a mover?

784
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:41,040
Listen?

785
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:43,840
Oh, we have a mover in a second.

786
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:51,400
Through you, Your Worship.

787
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,640
It's been moved by Councillor Hoye and seconded by Councillor Tamming that Council approve

788
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:03,820
a Mending Site Plan agreement, 55 of 2010 between the town of Gotterch and 225915 Ontario Inc.

789
01:23:03,820 --> 01:23:10,420
and 2-6-3-1-2-7-9 Ontario ink to extend the termination of agreement clause to September

790
01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:15,320
the 2020 and that an amended site plan agreement be brought back to council for consideration

791
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,500
in a future council meeting.

792
01:23:19,690 --> 01:23:20,210
Okay.

793
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:20,910
Any questions?

794
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:22,470
No questions?

795
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:23,550
All in favor?

796
01:23:24,630 --> 01:23:24,870
Carry.

797
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:38,700
We'll do a new in general business and then we're going to go to the GPMC discussions.

798
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:42,000
We'll talk with that as soon as we're done with this.

799
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:47,440
Through you, Worship, upcoming meetings for viewing audience as well.

800
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:52,720
January the 14th, 2020 Goddurch Police Services Board meet at 11 a.m. in the galt room.

801
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,540
January the 14th of BIA will meet at 6 p.m. in the medicine tongue room.

802
01:23:57,020 --> 01:24:01,060
January 15th, mid here in landfill site board meet at 3 p.m. in the medicine tongue room.

803
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:06,840
January the 15th and mid here in recycling center board will meet at 3.30 p.m. in the medicine tongue room.

804
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,540
January 23rd, Community Economic Development Committee meet at 8 a.m. in the Medicine

805
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:12,020
Tung Room.

806
01:24:12,460 --> 01:24:17,020
And our next council meeting is scheduled for January the 27th at 4.30 p.m. here in the

807
01:24:17,020 --> 01:24:17,640
council chambers.

808
01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:19,660
Thank you.

809
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:31,640
Any meetings that we may have missed, if not, I would, I think it would be my obligation.

810
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,300
We're going to now start the discussions about GPMC.

811
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:43,980
But it's my obligation to ask our solicitor if he felt that there was any specific need

812
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:51,460
that we had to go into closed and if not, we would stay in open and we would move into

813
01:24:51,460 --> 01:24:52,360
those discussions.

814
01:24:52,980 --> 01:24:55,560
I'll ask Greg Stewart, our solicitor for comment.

815
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:04,520
Yes, through you, Your Worship, there likely isn't what you've got as a product that we have

816
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:33,680
brought back for council's consideration based on instructions given to us before to negotiate and that is that's a debate that you go on in public. There's no question about that. The only area where there could be some variance from that is if we got into some discussion of negotiation procedures or instructions to go back for matters of the negotiation.

817
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,920
sometimes you want those in close because you don't particularly want the

818
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,060
person you're negotiating with sitting watching you develop your strategy but

819
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:46,720
I don't as it sits now I don't see anything in this that needs to be in a close

820
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:54,820
session. Okay very good thank you very much so we will stay in open for these

821
01:25:54,820 --> 01:26:07,900
discussions. And I think to lead it off, if I could ask Larry McCabe, I'll ask Larry

822
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:14,920
McCabe to come up and start the discussions and give us a little bit of a history of GPMC

823
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:25,740
And then we're going to start into a full discussion where we need to be and where we're at today.

824
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:34,620
Not that I don't want to do that, I had prepared something if required, but I would think that maybe the solicitor should maybe, for the public, bring up the date.

825
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:40,940
I think he had a memo that included on the agenda, historically what the even-go-shading group did.

826
01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:50,660
I thought, and purposely, I thought that it might be a little better if you lead off.

827
01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:53,840
He's going to talk about the negotiation stages.

828
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:55,460
That's fine.

829
01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:56,300
That's fine.

830
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,760
If you would, at two o'clock this afternoon, I did.

831
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:01,260
Okay.

832
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,900
Just one second, Councillor Galley.

833
01:27:05,860 --> 01:27:11,860
Mr. Mayor, the background of this is I think on seven occasions and I can give you the

834
01:27:11,860 --> 01:27:21,460
dates if anybody wants them. I have them here. From 1950 or 2015 forward on seven occasions

835
01:27:21,460 --> 01:27:28,200
I've given a written memorandum address to the mayor and the council and so on and none

836
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:35,020
of those have ever been answered in any specific terms to go through and say A, B, C, and D.

837
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,560
And my problem with what we're doing is this.

838
01:27:41,180 --> 01:27:50,200
This council doesn't have the experience background that some of us senior members have.

839
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,940
We were here for when these things happened.

840
01:27:52,940 --> 01:27:59,480
And I think it's a disadvantage to them to be not fully instructed or fully informed.

841
01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:05,220
And to inform them orally is like writing something on the wind.

842
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:12,080
If somebody's going to come in here and say I've written a letter with 12 points in

843
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,680
it, there should be a letter come back dealing with those 12 points so that the people can

844
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,640
and get a grasp of what they're doing.

845
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,680
And in these circumstances, it's so easy

846
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,220
to throw a covering blanket over something

847
01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:29,320
with a few casual words and move on to something else,

848
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:30,860
and that's taken care of,

849
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,340
and nobody remembers what it was tomorrow morning.

850
01:28:33,860 --> 01:28:36,000
And my own view is this,

851
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,620
that the other thing too is,

852
01:28:39,620 --> 01:28:42,240
this format, if it's going to be useful,

853
01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:44,140
what I suggested was,

854
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:52,680
I think there's a letter, I'll stand corrected if I didn't give it to Andrea, but I did write

855
01:28:52,680 --> 01:29:01,640
the letter, I'm not just a note, but it said this that the have the solicitor tell us

856
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,740
two things, A,

857
01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:11,440
what he sees as a diminution of our rights, is there something we're losing

858
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:19,440
and B, are there areas of risk this could be interpreted this way and that way.

859
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:25,580
It's all very well to say the document says this, but the courts are full of people

860
01:29:25,580 --> 01:29:29,020
who say what did it mean, what did it say.

861
01:29:29,660 --> 01:29:35,020
And if we had this in writing, I think this council could educate itself

862
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:37,020
and could make a final decision.

863
01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:44,420
But to come in here and just load tons of information on them, it's a contract I don't,

864
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:49,080
I didn't bother to count the pages, but if you read the contract in the exhibits, there's

865
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,020
probably 60 or 70 pages of very difficult sledding.

866
01:29:56,020 --> 01:29:59,440
And the other thing, just as an ordinary matter of courtesy,

867
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaking to something that's a profound importance, it might be wise to listen to me.

868
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:30,400
Thank you. I think we will proceed with Mr. McCabe, and then we would ask our solicitor to chronologically bring this forward through the negotiations. Not all of us have been here. I've missed four years of it. Some are just brand new to the game.

869
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:38,700
So, we will try to do our best to give as much information as possible to everyone, and

870
01:30:38,700 --> 01:30:40,400
then we will move forward.

871
01:30:41,180 --> 01:30:45,440
But, Mr. McCabe, if you could please address counsel at this time.

872
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:49,320
Well, Mr. McCabe's going to read from a document.

873
01:30:49,740 --> 01:30:52,700
What's wrong with instructing him to file with us as well?

874
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:54,160
I was going to do that.

875
01:30:57,130 --> 01:30:58,570
I put together a brief history.

876
01:30:58,570 --> 01:31:00,110
So this is just background.

877
01:31:00,330 --> 01:31:02,270
It does not give any recommendations.

878
01:31:02,770 --> 01:31:06,690
It sort of brings you from some of the things that you wanted to hear that I was asked

879
01:31:06,690 --> 01:31:08,090
to present with regards to history.

880
01:31:08,430 --> 01:31:09,530
I apologize for late.

881
01:31:09,610 --> 01:31:12,390
I just finished it to a farce this afternoon, but I will hand it out.

882
01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:16,190
And there should be sufficient copies for council members.

883
01:31:16,530 --> 01:31:16,810
Maybe it was.

884
01:31:35,150 --> 01:31:40,290
It did on the weekend, and previously think about a number of things I've said to council

885
01:31:40,290 --> 01:31:45,150
in the past concerning the harbor, but I thought I should put some key points of the brief

886
01:31:45,150 --> 01:31:51,310
of history of the ports since I've been involved with it, and I started in 1985 to 1989.

887
01:31:52,190 --> 01:31:57,930
And you've heard some of this before, but we'll try to put it very quickly in the context of where

888
01:31:57,930 --> 01:32:02,330
the ports come from in the last X number of years, starting in about 1985.

889
01:32:03,190 --> 01:32:11,030
And the period of 1985 to 1989 was a period of which the port was one of 300 local regional ports,

890
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:14,730
and it was owned by the federal government under the Transport Canada jurisdiction.

891
01:32:15,470 --> 01:32:20,730
The federal government received all the revenues from these ports in the form of dockage and

892
01:32:20,730 --> 01:32:25,310
warfage and per ton fee on shipping as determined by Transport Canada.

893
01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:32,810
The company of the day that paid most of those warfages was Dom Tarr and Dom Tarr always

894
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:40,510
felt and later siftled that they paid too high fees to them and that's part of a factor

895
01:32:40,510 --> 01:32:42,030
later on how we got to some of this.

896
01:32:42,330 --> 01:32:46,130
The costs incurred by Transport Canada, for the research, was approximately 20 million.

897
01:32:46,290 --> 01:32:50,750
I'm referring to, to give you an idea of the types of dollars that have been spent overall.

898
01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:57,130
Dom-Tar indicated and negotiated with Transport Canada back in the period of 1985 to 1989,

899
01:32:57,350 --> 01:33:02,230
where they indicated that they wanted to put separate loading facilities on the north side.

900
01:33:02,770 --> 01:33:08,370
And the federal government at that time started dredging or entered into a contract and

901
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:12,510
And did, I think the figure I heard was 20 million, we were not party of that.

902
01:33:12,650 --> 01:33:21,050
That was the conservative government at the time that proceeded to put a seawater facility on the north side that exists.

903
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:23,370
That's where the infilling is occurring now.

904
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:29,050
Dom Tart did not proceed with the loading spout.

905
01:33:29,210 --> 01:33:32,090
There might have been changes of the company at that time.

906
01:33:32,250 --> 01:33:36,990
They were sold to a company called George Harrison Associates and later sold to Compass Minerals.

907
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:41,150
But whether those were factors, I'm just trying to indicate some of the things that we're talked about.

908
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:47,430
But we had limited involvement with the town, but we did enter some discussions.

909
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:50,350
When we saw there were two ways of getting rid of the ridge material.

910
01:33:50,810 --> 01:33:53,230
The cheapest way is to take dredging and dump it in the lake.

911
01:33:53,810 --> 01:33:56,010
That's an approval process, and that's very acceptable.

912
01:33:56,470 --> 01:34:02,150
However, there is another way of bringing that silt sand and stone through pipe.

913
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:06,090
And I believe, and I think the deputy mayor was there, the mayor and staff,

914
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:13,050
where you attended a few weeks ago that made the Valley Conservation Authority and they showed a picture of that pipe that was from the

915
01:34:13,850 --> 01:34:18,710
area north of Asifto right to the Colve. That's how the Colve was created.

916
01:34:19,090 --> 01:34:25,810
Town entered the picture and negotiated with Transport and they actually changed the contract and said we will pump it down there.

917
01:34:26,150 --> 01:34:29,210
That was the beginning of the Colve and the development at the Colve.

918
01:34:29,210 --> 01:34:34,150
In 1995 to 1999 was also four years of discussions.

919
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:38,650
There was a National Marine Act that was presented by the Transport Canada.

920
01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:44,650
It never passed, but Section 9 of that Act did change the protocol.

921
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:50,390
In other words, the Federal, to be vential, to municipal, to private was a normal protocol.

922
01:34:50,530 --> 01:34:57,430
It's still followed by the province and the feds in many areas, but somehow Section 9 of that proposed legislation

923
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:58,930
change the situation.

924
01:34:59,130 --> 01:35:03,850
That's where SIFTO of the day came in and thought or felt they could own the port

925
01:35:03,850 --> 01:35:06,030
because they were a large revenue payer.

926
01:35:06,510 --> 01:35:12,930
The town, on many, many occasions, met and that was sort of a lack of an agreement

927
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:16,010
or disagreement with between SIFTO and Canada for years.

928
01:35:16,610 --> 01:35:20,690
And ultimately, there was a meeting, which I've mentioned before with the Federal

929
01:35:20,690 --> 01:35:25,650
government looked at both SIFTO and the town and said the town will not own the port

930
01:35:25,650 --> 01:35:42,450
and sift the one out on the port unless you have an agreement, and that was the basis of the, and also the announcement of those fees of sift though, and the users would be increased by 15% in November of 99% and 30% in the spring of the year 2000.

931
01:35:42,890 --> 01:35:45,490
So that really brought the town and sift together.

932
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:54,010
The asking price, which was confidential at time, was $7.5 million, I believe it was.

933
01:35:55,150 --> 01:36:01,890
We sat down with Sifto, staff, Roland Howell, El Hamilton, myself, previous mayor, Mayor Schufel,

934
01:36:02,110 --> 01:36:04,950
Ken Hunter of the day, Commissioner of Works.

935
01:36:05,770 --> 01:36:08,130
And we came up with a $29 million program.

936
01:36:09,070 --> 01:36:13,550
And we presented that to the feds and said this port needs $29 million.

937
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:21,250
There was only 20,000 put in the port between 1995 and 1999, and the money that was taken from this port,

938
01:36:21,370 --> 01:36:27,710
I think it was something fees of 2.5 million were paid by SIFTO alone to the feds were put into other ports.

939
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:32,570
That was the system, keeping the national ports of the local regional ports.

940
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:43,110
So we actually drove the purchase price down and those discussions cooperatively was SIFTO to $650,000 based in there would be a $29 million

941
01:36:43,850 --> 01:37:02,570
that's the program you've heard about from 1999 to the year 2017 or 18 or 19 and that's listed on the next page as the break walls which were done in the latter years because of the amount of money that was required so that the funds and the infrastructure build up in that regard.

942
01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:08,110
And the agreement was arrived at by the two parties and approved by Transport representing

943
01:37:08,110 --> 01:37:08,530
the Queen.

944
01:37:08,750 --> 01:37:10,090
We all heard that quite often.

945
01:37:10,730 --> 01:37:17,990
And SIFT will pay back the town on 12 monthly installments of $650,000 in the year 2000.

946
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:26,910
The sale was completed on November the 11th, 1999, and a $29 million infrastructure program

947
01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:33,750
was put into place, which was included as I mentioned around 2018-19, which saw the completion of

948
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:41,430
that bridge as I had mentioned before. In 2012, and I believe this is the crux of the concerns

949
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:48,950
and the agreement that started and rightly so I think to a degree of Councillor Donnelly and others,

950
01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:56,810
where we entered into a 2012 agreement perhaps predicated on a new operation managed

951
01:37:56,810 --> 01:38:21,990
and agreement, it's agreement, and which time it was agreed that 16 million MTO money and bear in mind, it was the town staff and the council of the day that secured that money and our member of provincial parliament, Carol Mitchell, who was our member of that time, secured those funds, to be added with the $32 million that compass would pay to create 20 acres of land.

952
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:51,970
I don't know if history repeats itself or circumstances repeat themselves, but it was always said that SIFTO at a point in time or compass at this time would have to look at it and see if that made a business sense, and I guess they did and it didn't, so they had the right to pull out of the 2012 agreement clearly, and we proceeded on, the municipality did with the poor corporation in completing $16 million worth of work, which is just completed this year, which is the final

953
01:38:51,970 --> 01:38:57,390
five acres of infield land in the north, which was part of the original

954
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:59,970
seawater depth port.

955
01:39:00,130 --> 01:39:01,670
So it wasn't all lost.

956
01:39:01,870 --> 01:39:07,210
It was actually the very important that the federal government paid that money

957
01:39:07,210 --> 01:39:10,990
and spent that money and contracted to get that seawater depth on the north side.

958
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:19,110
The conditions would have created 20 acres, but I didn't have time to go back and

959
01:39:19,110 --> 01:39:26,250
see the exact wording, but Compass would have had 8 months of exclusive use of the 20 acres.

960
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:32,870
What you have now, at least it's in my opinion, maybe it's only 5 acres, but you have 5 acres

961
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:35,970
that the town can determine what happens with that property.

962
01:39:36,150 --> 01:39:41,950
The 5 acres would be leased along with other leases that you have, and that money would

963
01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:45,950
go into the Waterfront Reserve Fund if Council sold the size to continue that process.

964
01:39:45,950 --> 01:39:54,510
The benefit now is that the five acres of land is available, it can be marketed by both the town and the GPMC.

965
01:39:55,010 --> 01:40:04,330
The proposed proposed operation management agreement has been well explained to the town and negotiated between town representatives as directed by council and compass minerals.

966
01:40:04,690 --> 01:40:13,310
This is getting into the part of what the solicitors summarized, but the town will receive under the new agreement, the 2020 agreement, if it should be 2020 or whatever date.

967
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:19,650
I made additional $100,000 immediately to the waterfront reserve on top of the leases,

968
01:40:20,050 --> 01:40:25,370
on top of the current money going in, which should be, and the treasure can better explain,

969
01:40:25,530 --> 01:40:32,510
around $300,000 going in to the waterfront reserve annually with this $100,000 included in that figure.

970
01:40:32,970 --> 01:40:37,070
The town received $500,000 representing reimbursement, and I think this is key.

971
01:40:37,850 --> 01:40:42,450
I'm sure the Treasury Department loses a little sleep when I was your CAO.

972
01:40:42,450 --> 01:40:50,210
So I was too, that we had to proceed and counsel made the right decision and proceeded on with the construction and reconstruction of South Harbour Road.

973
01:40:51,410 --> 01:41:01,050
That had to be done, it was 160-year-old storm sewer, it was completely breaking down, and that is a receivable on the town's books right now.

974
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:11,910
And in the first five years of the program that's in the agreement, then that would be reimbursed in the first year, in fact, in 2020, to wipe that receivable off.

975
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:19,550
The North Harbour Road is projected to be completed in the year 2023 if you looked at the schedule to an amount of 2.5 million dollars.

976
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:22,710
And Stug Harbor is in that to be rehabilitated.

977
01:41:23,370 --> 01:41:27,470
Consumer price index will apply in the fourth year I believe it was of the agreement.

978
01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:35,030
There will be ongoing capital provided infrastructure funds for the corporation each year, the corporation being the town.

979
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:40,590
And the key is that there's no local tax dollars will be required other than a commitment for

980
01:41:40,590 --> 01:41:44,870
the South Road previously agreed upon, which we said we would pay a portion of that.

981
01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:51,670
And projects were never considered to be part, and I think this is a key, just to jump

982
01:41:51,670 --> 01:41:53,250
backwards a little bit.

983
01:41:53,610 --> 01:42:00,230
It was always very emphatic of compass, as sift of the day, that the portlands existed

984
01:42:00,230 --> 01:42:01,950
and then there were the greater portlands.

985
01:42:02,490 --> 01:42:07,150
And no money other than the waterfront reserve allocations that were going in and agreed upon

986
01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:14,370
and the leases at that time would be expended from the port fees, and they were adamant about that.

987
01:42:14,510 --> 01:42:17,830
But what you have in the 2020 agreement is something different.

988
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:23,290
You have projects that just mentioned South Harbour Road, North Harbour Road, which are

989
01:42:23,290 --> 01:42:28,170
outside of the port lands are now being funded by the God's Port Management, Port Corporation,

990
01:42:28,410 --> 01:42:28,790
and fees.

991
01:42:31,930 --> 01:42:38,190
Just finalizing, the town council continues to have authority to approve the GPMC annual

992
01:42:38,190 --> 01:42:42,350
budgets request or send it back that's under the current agreement, the same as the proposed.

993
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:47,150
The town will have two voting members on the GPMC board of management following the

994
01:42:47,150 --> 01:42:52,390
governance change which will follow the approval of the OMMA that you will be considering.

995
01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:57,790
And all I'm just making a comment, it's not to be controversial, I just thought that all

996
01:42:57,790 --> 01:43:00,890
All that has been accomplished since 1985, pursuantly above details,

997
01:43:01,150 --> 01:43:05,350
has been accomplished through intense negotiations, not through an adversarial approach.

998
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:08,510
I don't think, I think, sometimes that's required.

999
01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:12,350
It may be required in this instance at the end of your further discussions.

1000
01:43:12,910 --> 01:43:17,070
But I did want to provide a history that showed you that it's been negotiated.

1001
01:43:17,410 --> 01:43:18,350
It's been good for the town.

1002
01:43:18,510 --> 01:43:19,450
It's been good for industry.

1003
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:20,970
Is it the best agreement?

1004
01:43:21,170 --> 01:43:26,810
I think it's the best agreement that you've sent to the individuals on behalf of the town to negotiate.

1005
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:30,290
I can answer questions later, but I think there'll probably be a lot more set.

1006
01:43:30,490 --> 01:43:31,030
Thank you, Your Worship.

1007
01:43:31,690 --> 01:43:33,710
Thank you very much, Mr. McCabe.

1008
01:43:34,510 --> 01:43:35,570
Good seeing you again.

1009
01:43:37,150 --> 01:43:44,450
If I could ask our solicitor to now, if you could come up and sort of bring us through chronologically,

1010
01:43:46,430 --> 01:43:50,370
the negotiations over the last year or so.

1011
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:58,150
and see where we stand and we will open it up for questions.

1012
01:44:01,710 --> 01:44:03,690
Excuse me, through you, your worship.

1013
01:44:05,210 --> 01:44:10,250
I gave a summary and I'll just for the benefit of the public go through it.

1014
01:44:11,230 --> 01:44:16,670
Our last discussion of this with Council was on May 22nd of 2019.

1015
01:44:18,230 --> 01:44:21,990
On that occasion, excuse me,

1016
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:35,010
on that occasion we went through the agreement page by page,

1017
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:40,870
we received instructions from counsel for a number of language changes.

1018
01:44:41,090 --> 01:44:43,330
There were words here and words there.

1019
01:44:44,530 --> 01:44:49,870
And there were some specific issues that were sent away to address.

1020
01:44:50,890 --> 01:44:59,510
One was Council said that they wanted the CPI increase on the fees to start at the beginning of the agreement.

1021
01:45:00,370 --> 01:45:08,010
The position of a compass at that point is they didn't want it to start for six years. We were

1022
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:09,650
not in agreement on the term.

1023
01:45:12,090 --> 01:45:15,330
We would prefer three persons on the board but could live

1024
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:21,530
with two, those were the instructions. And we were to ask for an additional $50,000 a year

1025
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:32,690
contribution to the water reserve fund. On June 17th of 2019, we met with GPMC and representatives

1026
01:45:32,690 --> 01:45:39,270
of Compass in Toronto. We came to a tentative agreement on the various minor language issues

1027
01:45:40,190 --> 01:45:43,470
and at the conclusion of that meeting there were three outstanding issues.

1028
01:45:45,700 --> 01:45:46,720
Through the discussions,

1029
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:58,400
the town increased their request for annual payments to the waterfront reserve fund from $50,000 to $100,000 a year.

1030
01:45:59,380 --> 01:46:05,540
The town wanted the CPI increases on fees and payments to begin at the beginning of the term of the agreement.

1031
01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:13,560
And the town wanted a five year term for the agreement with five year renewals and a final end date in 2040.

1032
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:14,620
On

1033
01:46:16,860 --> 01:46:27,600
August 9th of 2019, the position was conveyed by telephone from the GPMC lawyer on those issues.

1034
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:37,000
They said they would agree to the increase in contributions to the waterfront reserve fund of $100,000, but they wanted them phased in.

1035
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,460
The first payment would be $50,000 in 2020.

1036
01:46:42,340 --> 01:46:49,300
The second increase would be $50,000 in 2022 and the CPI increase in the payments would

1037
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:56,040
not begin until 2021 on the first 50,000 and then on the whole 100,000 after that.

1038
01:46:56,700 --> 01:47:05,340
They wanted annual CPI to commence on the fees in 2024 with a cap at 2%, and they wanted

1039
01:47:05,340 --> 01:47:14,980
an agreement to have a term to 2040 with 10-year renewals after that. On August 13th, I advised

1040
01:47:14,980 --> 01:47:21,860
GPMC council that the town wanted the entire $100,000 increase in the contribution to

1041
01:47:21,860 --> 01:47:31,340
the waterfront reserve fund in 2020, not staggered. On October 15th, there was a meeting with representatives

1042
01:47:31,340 --> 01:47:37,640
of GPMC and Compass, and at that meeting there was an agreement on the outstanding issues

1043
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:38,340
as follows.

1044
01:47:39,700 --> 01:47:46,180
The annual contribution by GPMC to the Waterfront Reserve Fund would increase by $100,000

1045
01:47:46,580 --> 01:47:53,620
per year starting in 2020, and that is reflected in section 8.4.1 of the document.

1046
01:47:54,500 --> 01:48:01,320
Secondly, the fees payable by existing users may be increased annually by CPI commencing

1047
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:06,620
in 2024, subject to an annual cap at 1.5%.

1048
01:48:06,620 --> 01:48:09,700
That is in section 2.7.1.

1049
01:48:10,180 --> 01:48:17,560
The annual contribution of $100,000 will increase by CPI starting in 2021.

1050
01:48:18,580 --> 01:48:30,280
and the initial term of the agreement would run until December 31st, 2040 with 10-year renewals there after, and that's reflected in section 4.4.1 of the draft.

1051
01:48:31,620 --> 01:48:45,280
On October 17th of 2019 Council advises Council for GPMC, advised that GPMC directors and members were all in agreement with those three items.

1052
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:53,980
And that the governance change from three to two or from no members to two members for

1053
01:48:53,980 --> 01:48:57,640
the town would start with the commencement of the OAMM agreement.

1054
01:48:58,740 --> 01:49:07,600
Those are the instructions that I was given in May, those are the results based on those items that were,

1055
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:13,520
those are the three items that I was left with as a result of our discussions on May 22nd and

1056
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:19,540
told to go back and negotiate and those are the results from those discussions.

1057
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:29,460
We have provided to you a draft of an agreement that has come out of these negotiations.

1058
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,860
It is detailed obviously.

1059
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:40,520
It is the document that we went through on May 22nd with the suggested changes and reflecting

1060
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,040
affecting those three items that we've come back with.

1061
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:51,600
We're presenting that to you this evening and asking for your instructions as to how you want to deal with it.

1062
01:49:51,740 --> 01:50:00,340
Do you want to answer, we can answer questions, we can engage in debate this evening.

1063
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,340
I require your instructions as to how you wish to go forward with it.

1064
01:50:05,340 --> 01:50:08,280
We'll open it up for questions and discussions.

1065
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:15,400
Council, have you got any questions of either the solicitor or Mr. McKay at this time?

1066
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:19,200
Councilor Hoye.

1067
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:23,990
I'm a little unclear before we start this.

1068
01:50:24,710 --> 01:50:27,550
What kind of questions we can ask you because we're in open?

1069
01:50:27,790 --> 01:50:31,530
Can we ask you why you came to a decision like

1070
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:35,840
what was the reasoning behind that?

1071
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:37,080
Is that acceptable?

1072
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:40,860
behind it depends on what it is you're asking me.

1073
01:50:40,900 --> 01:50:41,120
Okay.

1074
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,880
Say, for instance, the appointment of the two individuals,

1075
01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:48,460
how was it you arrived at two as opposed to three?

1076
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:49,220
How did that assess?

1077
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:49,920
Good discussion.

1078
01:50:50,060 --> 01:50:50,200
Go.

1079
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:52,980
The cap of the CPI of the one and a half.

1080
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,560
Where did that come from?

1081
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:56,800
Yeah.

1082
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:57,780
Those are fair questions.

1083
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:58,180
Okay.

1084
01:50:58,580 --> 01:51:01,140
The three, the two,

1085
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:04,700
we had initially asked for three.

1086
01:51:04,700 --> 01:51:07,360
the offer that came back was two.

1087
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:18,340
When I was here on May 22nd, my instructions going away were ask for three, but we can live with two if we get these other things.

1088
01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:25,720
We got these other things, so what we have come back with is two based on those instructions.

1089
01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:33,220
The 1.5 percent is something that GPMC came forward with.

1090
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:39,220
It was discussed among the staff that were there and they felt that looking at the way the economy

1091
01:51:39,220 --> 01:51:44,160
has gone and with the cost of living that 1.5 percent as a cap is something they could live with.

1092
01:51:44,420 --> 01:51:45,620
That's how that developed.

1093
01:51:47,740 --> 01:51:48,040
Okay.

1094
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:52,240
Okay. Other Councillors? Councillor Ten.

1095
01:51:57,700 --> 01:52:02,960
So on the CPI, the cap is 1.5, so that's the

1096
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:08,220
max that they will ever pay or increase. For the life of this agreement. But if it's

1097
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:18,560
at 1, they would pay 1. But if it's at 3. They would pay 1.5. So just. No, that's a very

1098
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:23,340
for a question, and then

1099
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,860
I could go down to 1 percent. So there's always your going to.

1100
01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:42,240
All I can tell you is that among the staff that were there that was discussed and there was a comfort

1101
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,520
level with feeling with 1.5, that's how it came about.

1102
01:52:48,850 --> 01:52:49,390
Mr. McCabe.

1103
01:52:50,630 --> 01:52:55,490
If you go back to the original agreement, you've got to realize that what they're doing is identifying projects.

1104
01:52:55,490 --> 01:52:59,030
I think you're right to be nice to have a higher and have it floating.

1105
01:52:59,570 --> 01:53:05,270
But if you're back on the $29 million, that was identified as the exact dollar amount required to do the works.

1106
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:10,750
What you're going to have now, each five years or ten years, whatever is, you'll be identifying the projects.

1107
01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:14,250
The cost may go up, the cost may go down all those projects.

1108
01:53:14,710 --> 01:53:17,290
It was just felt based as Greg said on the economy.

1109
01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:26,170
having a 1.5 in would be the sensible thing to do with regards to saying, well, there's no lid on it.

1110
01:53:26,350 --> 01:53:33,090
I mean, we could have argued 2% more, but if North Hyber Road is 2.5 million, fine.

1111
01:53:33,450 --> 01:53:35,990
If it's 3 million, the poor corporations are going to pay anyways.

1112
01:53:36,410 --> 01:53:39,770
It's just a matter of how you lay out the projects and the timing of the money coming in.

1113
01:53:39,930 --> 01:53:42,350
So that was the reasoning we thought 1.5 was fair.

1114
01:53:43,870 --> 01:53:48,570
Correct, taking in the other projects in this deal is very important.

1115
01:53:50,250 --> 01:53:51,550
Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

1116
01:53:51,970 --> 01:53:53,410
Yeah, just a couple of questions.

1117
01:53:53,610 --> 01:53:58,770
One is I'm wondering about the one

1118
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:08,220
the legal fees relating to the solicitors and whether

1119
01:54:08,220 --> 01:54:15,320
or not that payment is forthcoming on our behalf, I'm thinking in respect to our solicitor.

1120
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:24,280
because my understanding also is that GPMC paid the solicitor fees on behalf of the

1121
01:54:24,620 --> 01:54:31,880
other users of the board and so I'm wondering whether or not that would be is

1122
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:41,700
that come under this in any regard. Secondly, there's going to be an increase in fees to my

1123
01:54:41,700 --> 01:54:49,880
understanding the way I read it, max of 1.5 percent, is that true? In any given year,

1124
01:54:49,980 --> 01:54:57,220
it doesn't have to be. But then the question would be, that's to cover the operating expenses

1125
01:54:57,220 --> 01:55:06,240
of the corporation. The excess of the fees would then go into an operating reserve fund from

1126
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,500
from what I understand, is that correct?

1127
01:55:11,630 --> 01:55:13,170
I'll answer the legal question, might be.

1128
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:15,090
I don't look at it quite that way.

1129
01:55:15,630 --> 01:55:19,390
I, from the legal perspective, they're paying anyways.

1130
01:55:20,190 --> 01:55:23,830
They're paying your legal bills, and they're paying ours.

1131
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:28,430
If you take the money from the waterfront reserve from which I think you can't,

1132
01:55:29,290 --> 01:55:33,010
you may not have charged that there, you may have charged it to some other area,

1133
01:55:33,130 --> 01:55:37,490
but you have controls of the waterfront reserve fund with regards to how you pay

1134
01:55:37,490 --> 01:55:39,530
out of that fund as long as it's for the air.

1135
01:55:39,650 --> 01:55:42,550
I think you could argue that your legal bills could come out of that.

1136
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:44,650
And those funds come from the users.

1137
01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:50,310
With regards to their legal bills, they'll come from the GPMC

1138
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:52,710
and they'll come for the funds of collecting the user fee, too.

1139
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:56,170
So in my opinion, it's all user fees that you're paying those bills with.

1140
01:55:58,070 --> 01:56:03,250
Your CPI question, I'm not clear on it, but can you just-

1141
01:56:03,250 --> 01:56:20,710
Well, I thought I read in there that the fees for war figures, etc., you know, docking, whatever else would be limited, could be changed in a year, but max at 1.5% based upon.

1142
01:56:21,070 --> 01:56:24,910
On a CPI commencing in the fourth year, yes, in the fourth year.

1143
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:29,210
But there's nothing saying that Scottish Port Management Corporation, when they meet,

1144
01:56:29,210 --> 01:56:35,790
If they agree, they can change any of the programs, ultimately any of the programs would have to be approved by this council in the form of a budget.

1145
01:56:36,590 --> 01:56:38,870
So it all has to come back to this council anyways.

1146
01:56:39,370 --> 01:56:47,490
Okay, what about what we would like, we would like the expansion from five acres to 20 acres or whatever.

1147
01:56:47,730 --> 01:56:55,390
And that would have to be a discussion of the Port Management Corporation and that particular GPMC as to whether they would want to get involved.

1148
01:56:55,390 --> 01:56:56,830
Right now, it's excluded.

1149
01:56:57,450 --> 01:57:02,430
You've got the five acres created, which they've done within the finances that we've mentioned before.

1150
01:57:02,890 --> 01:57:08,690
If you're going to ask the Port Corporation, say they send their budget, we want another five acres, that might be difficult.

1151
01:57:08,890 --> 01:57:13,310
But it could be a discussion at the GPMC level, and you would have input at that level.

1152
01:57:13,810 --> 01:57:23,510
Now, you indicated also that the leasing fees of the five acres of land would go directly to the town.

1153
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:24,750
Is that correct?

1154
01:57:25,530 --> 01:57:27,090
Yes, and I'll comment more.

1155
01:57:27,290 --> 01:57:31,010
You have at least now that it's paid $35,000 per acre

1156
01:57:31,010 --> 01:57:33,550
on the former can egg, which is now owned by Compass,

1157
01:57:34,110 --> 01:57:37,170
the blue away in the tornado, but they're still paying $35,000.

1158
01:57:37,570 --> 01:57:39,150
That goes into your waterfront reserve.

1159
01:57:39,650 --> 01:57:44,290
You're paying $16,500 is being received on the parish

1160
01:57:44,290 --> 01:57:48,270
and hind becker because you own dock nine chip dock five,

1161
01:57:48,530 --> 01:57:52,070
whatever you want to call it, dock five for you own that.

1162
01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:57,010
So you have money there, you have money coming from Dominique that's going into that reserve.

1163
01:57:57,330 --> 01:57:58,930
Okay, and I, yeah, goody goody.

1164
01:57:58,990 --> 01:58:00,110
All that money's coming in.

1165
01:58:00,110 --> 01:58:20,790
My thing is, my thing is, I would like to think that the port generates income for the town and not specifically identified to the waterfront and to the harbor necessarily.

1166
01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:37,370
So when I read under eight four here, payments to the town in the last line of A41 that not so transferred shall constitute a reserve fund solely for the purpose of completing town projects.

1167
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:44,370
That doesn't strike me as being specifically identified to go to water reserve.

1168
01:58:45,150 --> 01:58:53,370
It could be any reserve for which we set aside that amount of money for any project in the town.

1169
01:58:54,450 --> 01:58:57,270
Could it not, based upon my reading of that?

1170
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:58,670
So let's start making an estimate.

1171
01:58:58,850 --> 01:59:03,350
I don't think you can take the funds other than agreed upon projects outside of the waterfront area.

1172
01:59:03,650 --> 01:59:06,730
That's always been clear since day one, and it's clear in this agreement.

1173
01:59:07,410 --> 01:59:12,730
You get your money into your waterfront reserve fund, which you determine how you spend it within the waterfront.

1174
01:59:12,730 --> 01:59:16,670
and then the leases come into there on top of that,

1175
01:59:16,670 --> 01:59:18,270
and those private projects are determined.

1176
01:59:19,170 --> 01:59:22,050
But they're, we've never agreed in agreement

1177
01:59:22,050 --> 01:59:24,390
that they could take port user funds

1178
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:26,950
and spend it under downtown core or someplace else.

1179
01:59:27,370 --> 01:59:29,550
That's, I'm not saying gonna not gonna happen,

1180
01:59:29,630 --> 01:59:31,930
but it was never, never agreed upon

1181
01:59:31,930 --> 01:59:32,850
in any way, shape or form.

1182
01:59:39,980 --> 01:59:41,900
We'll have the solicitor look it up, if you would,

1183
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,800
and it's one of those agreements,

1184
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:46,880
he read it, it jumps around, but here.

1185
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:47,440
Thank you very much.

1186
02:00:08,110 --> 02:00:11,630
That will be close to $300,000 under this new proposal.

1187
02:00:14,980 --> 02:00:18,320
Maybe I can plug a couple.

1188
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:46,060
If I can add a little bit to part of the negotiations and why it was a little, we were able to have a little wiggle room because the town will realize some of the projects like South Harbor Road, like before this agreement,

1189
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:50,960
that this new agreement happened, we would have been paying the full amount of that.

1190
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:58,440
We would be paying the full amount of North Harbor Road probably in two or three years,

1191
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:01,100
which is almost $3 million in growing.

1192
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:08,260
We would also have to pay for Snug Harbor, which is probably going to be a million and

1193
02:01:08,260 --> 02:01:09,420
a half or two million.

1194
02:01:09,420 --> 02:01:17,800
All is going to be paid for by contributions out of this agreement by GPMC, which we never

1195
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:18,420
had before.

1196
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:26,820
So yes, we gave up a little bit on the 1.5, but in return, we got these large projects

1197
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,120
assigned, which were fairly significant.

1198
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:50,060
And even to the dolphin that is being projected to be done in the next year, my understanding is that we're going to be able to get some federal money through GPMC in order to do that in Herbert Dolphin, which is probably going to be five or six hundred thousand.

1199
02:01:50,420 --> 02:01:53,780
So, you know, we gave up here. We got over here.

1200
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:56,440
It's all in the art of negotiations.

1201
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:00,480
Comments.

1202
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:06,040
Councillor Hoye.

1203
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:12,900
Would you like a five minute recess?

1204
02:02:16,420 --> 02:02:18,160
Well, we'll carry on.

1205
02:02:20,260 --> 02:02:22,860
Anyone else have any comments?

1206
02:02:25,380 --> 02:02:25,940
Councillor Hoye.

1207
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:26,740
Yeah, you knew I would.

1208
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:27,280
So,

1209
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:33,780
going back to what Deputy Mayor Murdoch was mentioning,

1210
02:02:34,540 --> 02:02:43,740
The funds that go into the waterfront reserve, we can spend those funds as we wish as long as those funds are spent at the waterfront.

1211
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:52,400
The answer is yes, and I think you could be quite inventive on top of the slopes or anything that's through waterfront related.

1212
02:02:52,860 --> 02:03:01,380
Okay, so to say that GPMC is paying for our legal fees is a little misleading in that, that's our money already.

1213
02:03:01,380 --> 02:03:04,820
The money that's getting be being paid into the waterfront.

1214
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:09,140
I mean, we can pay our tax bills out of the reserve, but it's our money.

1215
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:12,660
It's not GPMC's money, correct?

1216
02:03:12,980 --> 02:03:19,740
Okay, I would like a little bit of clarification around the ownership on the five acres.

1217
02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:28,020
So the town and the port authority have the ability to market those five acres.

1218
02:03:28,020 --> 02:03:32,200
But I'd like clarification on the actual ownership of those five acres.

1219
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:36,500
The five acres, the snub and the North Harbour.

1220
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:42,700
Start with snub, and as an example, that the town was adamant in 1999 that snub

1221
02:03:42,700 --> 02:03:46,640
harbor would not be part of the harbor for reasons that we won't go in.

1222
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:50,200
It would not be part of the port that would not be the responsibility of the GPMC.

1223
02:03:50,780 --> 02:03:54,360
We are now saying that is, that's another big plus.

1224
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:58,460
With regards to the ownership of the five acres, it's the town's property.

1225
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:05,200
Per town property and the town will use the GPMC or the county or the staff here or whoever

1226
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:06,820
to market that five acres.

1227
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:12,860
And all the lands down there are owned by the town.

1228
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:14,120
We own it all.

1229
02:04:14,580 --> 02:04:20,580
I really just wanted that to be heard out loud so that people understood exactly who owns all

1230
02:04:20,580 --> 02:04:21,940
of that property down there.

1231
02:04:21,940 --> 02:04:33,980
And the 35 acres, if it's least out, is not part of GPMC's revenue that comes directly to us.

1232
02:04:34,140 --> 02:04:39,540
We may have to pay them a marketing fee or somebody a marketing fee to market that 35 acres.

1233
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:43,080
But that is not subject to GPMC's budget.

1234
02:04:44,140 --> 02:04:48,440
We get the least money on that land, on that five acres.

1235
02:04:50,380 --> 02:04:52,720
But we can go wherever we want it to go.

1236
02:04:52,940 --> 02:04:56,840
Oh, so the revenue that comes off the five acres does not have to go to reserve.

1237
02:04:57,020 --> 02:04:58,840
That can go to any project that we identify.

1238
02:05:00,100 --> 02:05:01,180
Well, it's our money.

1239
02:05:01,940 --> 02:05:08,840
Yes, anything out of the user fees that are paid technically would not have to go in your

1240
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:09,500
water from reserve.

1241
02:05:09,980 --> 02:05:13,300
I don't know if you want to start getting into that sure decision whether you want to start

1242
02:05:14,860 --> 02:05:22,280
I guess you could, but really it's, it was always intended to be derived for the waterfront and for that purpose.

1243
02:05:31,610 --> 02:05:33,450
Okay. Anyone else?

1244
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:34,930
Councillor Gauley.

1245
02:05:36,350 --> 02:05:40,890
I think that we're following the wrong procedure here.

1246
02:05:44,500 --> 02:05:47,980
The solicitor comes and he says, I'm here for instructions,

1247
02:05:54,710 --> 02:05:57,690
feels qualified now to instruct him.

1248
02:05:59,860 --> 02:06:01,300
I don't think any of us do.

1249
02:06:02,020 --> 02:06:10,200
But what we should be doing is the solicitor should come and say I went over the contract.

1250
02:06:11,780 --> 02:06:18,480
My recommendation or my advice as a solicitor for the town is to think of these things.

1251
02:06:18,860 --> 02:06:19,800
This is wrong.

1252
02:06:20,420 --> 02:06:22,080
This is against your interest.

1253
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:23,500
This is questionable.

1254
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:27,520
And I think it's wrong.

1255
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:33,240
We're getting at a little rabbit runs about where this money goes, where that money goes.

1256
02:06:33,700 --> 02:06:36,900
I think you have to think of it in the big picture.

1257
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:39,280
And let me just use this example.

1258
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:44,320
Suppose you go out of a geese and buy a Cadillac tonight and bring it home and put it in the garage

1259
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:49,700
and they go up to the Alvin tomorrow and say, well, I don't think I'll pay Alvin.

1260
02:06:50,300 --> 02:06:56,660
And Alvin sends the sheriff down to pick up the Cadillac and you say to him, I bought that Cadillac.

1261
02:06:56,660 --> 02:07:05,400
I bought the Cadillac. That's exactly what Compass Menorals is doing to you. They bought

1262
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:15,960
this contract for $18,900,000. Why do you think the town gave away all this power? We

1263
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:23,600
gave it away because we were getting millions of dollars. They backed out and now they insist

1264
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:30,580
that contract is valid. That's the beginning. That's the first big picture thing you have to get

1265
02:07:30,580 --> 02:07:39,140
in your mind is that a valid contract. The next thing to think about, I suppose, is this. Ask

1266
02:07:39,140 --> 02:07:49,160
yourself when does this contract end? And the answer to that is never because it's to a fixed

1267
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:56,600
period with unlimited numbers of 10 year renewals thereafter. So, you're never going to

1268
02:07:56,600 --> 02:08:02,240
get out of this. That's the second big picture to look at. The third big picture to look

1269
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:08,080
at is this, if there are weaknesses in that contract, as I said, that they didn't pay,

1270
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:17,460
you're validating with a new contract, you're giving official lawful recognition to things

1271
02:08:17,460 --> 02:08:23,100
now that are very questionable, so you're doing composing huge favor in that way.

1272
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:30,360
And then the next thing to think of is, what power does the town of God-rich have

1273
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:33,620
under this agreement acting by itself?

1274
02:08:34,820 --> 02:08:42,440
Well, the people who drew it may tell you differently, they may know better than I, but as I read

1275
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:49,120
that contract, you have no power, whatever, to do anything positive.

1276
02:08:49,940 --> 02:08:56,400
You have a veto power that you can say, well, that plant is too expensive, you can't do

1277
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:56,640
it.

1278
02:08:56,980 --> 02:08:58,520
But you're cutting your own throat.

1279
02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:05,680
You're saying, the only way you can use the vetoes or hurt yourself to say, don't put

1280
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:06,640
it in a new breakwater.

1281
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:08,600
Don't remediate the shoreline.

1282
02:09:09,060 --> 02:09:10,400
Don't fix the harbor hill.

1283
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,840
All you can do is say, don't.

1284
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:18,340
There's not one positive thing that the town of Goddard can do alone.

1285
02:09:19,580 --> 02:09:25,920
The power is with the users of the harbor, and it's there forever.

1286
02:09:27,060 --> 02:09:29,940
Now, am I wrong in that slister?

1287
02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:40,840
The town does have vetoes within the course of the agreement, that's correct.

1288
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,520
But Mr. Tom, what can I say?

1289
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,200
No, don't get fancy with me.

1290
02:09:46,540 --> 02:09:48,120
We want to get this thing done.

1291
02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:52,780
And when you say the town has that veto power,

1292
02:09:53,260 --> 02:09:56,560
veto is a word maybe we all don't use every day.

1293
02:09:57,020 --> 02:09:59,940
I want you to tell us or agree with me if you will,

1294
02:10:00,220 --> 02:10:02,480
that it's the power to stop something.

1295
02:10:02,980 --> 02:10:04,740
It isn't the power to do something.

1296
02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:05,880
Is that correct?

1297
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:13,740
the town has the power to have input into the maintenance plans and has the final say

1298
02:10:13,740 --> 02:10:21,460
on whether those plans go ahead. If there are, please let me finish. If there are positive

1299
02:10:21,460 --> 02:10:28,720
things that the town wants put into this agreement, those are the instructions I'm looking for

1300
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:30,760
them. What positive things are we talking about?

1301
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:38,120
Well, Mr. Celester, are you coming to this council and you've never given us an analysis of the contract

1302
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:42,900
You wrote us a one-word or two-blind opinion that you didn't think you could win the case

1303
02:10:42,900 --> 02:10:47,860
But you've never told this council what your recommendation is

1304
02:10:47,860 --> 02:10:50,860
You're our Celester we looked you for some help

1305
02:10:51,620 --> 02:10:58,440
Counselor I spent the better part of three hours here one even in giving an analysis of the contract line by line page by page

1306
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:05,580
And give it to us in writing, if that's excuse, if not just I'll say here, just a minute.

1307
02:11:05,860 --> 02:11:11,540
I want to make this clear, for you to stand here and run through that contract and for,

1308
02:11:11,620 --> 02:11:17,700
suppose I were to ask this council now about the things that Larry McCabe read to us,

1309
02:11:18,100 --> 02:11:20,700
I'll bet you there's not one of them can answer the questions.

1310
02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:26,820
What I have indicated is that I am here for instructions.

1311
02:11:26,820 --> 02:11:33,340
If your instructions are that you want me to come back with a page by page written analysis,

1312
02:11:33,940 --> 02:11:34,740
I will do so.

1313
02:11:34,940 --> 02:11:39,100
If your instructions are that you want to have a public meeting on it, that's what we do.

1314
02:11:39,380 --> 02:11:40,540
I require those instructions.

1315
02:11:40,540 --> 02:11:42,440
I take my instructions and counsel.

1316
02:11:42,940 --> 02:11:48,360
I was sent on May 22nd with specific instructions.

1317
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:50,800
We went and carried out those instructions.

1318
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:59,920
We're back to report on, Mr. Solicitor, would you agree with me, I don't know if you agree

1319
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:02,540
with me or not, would you agree with this?

1320
02:12:03,020 --> 02:12:09,440
This council would be in a better position to make decisions on these issues if it had

1321
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:15,700
your opinion, your assessment, and your judgment as to how to proceed on these issues.

1322
02:12:15,700 --> 02:12:19,560
If that's what council wants, I'd be happy to go ahead and answer my question.

1323
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,300
Do you think that would be a benefit to council?

1324
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:23,500
It likely would.

1325
02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:27,020
Councilor, the ones that can tell me whether it's a benefit to them or not, I think.

1326
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:30,460
Oh, but no, but we mustn't reduce this to ridiculous terms.

1327
02:12:30,980 --> 02:12:36,600
This council has no legal training, it's got no experience in contracts, it's never had

1328
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:38,080
the contract explained to them.

1329
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:39,920
They probably haven't read it.

1330
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:45,120
They're relying on what impressions are being made or created by what you say.

1331
02:12:45,120 --> 02:12:57,880
And we would benefit from your analysis of the contract to say, this is beneficial, this is risky, this is detrimental, and that would be helpful.

1332
02:12:58,380 --> 02:13:04,500
If I'm not disagreeing with you, if that's what council wants, the document is put before council.

1333
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:06,520
It's given them to review.

1334
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:12,700
I mean, one of the things that we've always been told is, you know, you want to see something in writing, and that's fair.

1335
02:13:12,700 --> 02:13:20,420
and expected. The documents there, each council has to decide for themselves what do you

1336
02:13:20,420 --> 02:13:25,540
need more than that? If what you want is a written analysis of that nature. I'm more than

1337
02:13:25,540 --> 02:13:32,820
prepared to do it. Mr. Mayor, I move that we ask our solicitor to enlighten us so far as

1338
02:13:32,820 --> 02:13:40,080
he's able by his analysis and his recommendations on this contract, please. Do I have a second

1339
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:41,200
Discussion.

1340
02:13:53,660 --> 02:13:59,580
Discussion about it. I want to make some comments myself before we get too far

1341
02:13:59,580 --> 02:14:06,600
down here but I will open it up for discussion and I will make a comment myself if I could.

1342
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:17,160
I thought this was done all the way along but I will open it up to anyone on council that

1343
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:22,440
wants to reflect on some of these decisions in which this council has made over the last

1344
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:23,020
year or so.

1345
02:14:23,720 --> 02:14:25,500
If you've got a point,

1346
02:14:32,770 --> 02:14:33,810
yes, Mr. Mayor.

1347
02:14:34,130 --> 02:14:35,290
I, to

1348
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:50,360
hear what the solicitor has to say regarding, I do believe I, in terms of my understanding

1349
02:14:50,360 --> 02:14:58,260
of contracts, I'm sure he's much better at it than I, and it would be worthwhile for him

1350
02:14:58,260 --> 02:14:58,560
too.

1351
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:18,880
Item, aye, so sayings that may be of concern from his standpoint. Okay, I will ask this solicitor, and I have these comments written down, losses, risks, and wins. And I can spell them out, or

1352
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:25,820
our solicitor can spell them out, and we can discuss them here and now.

1353
02:15:29,870 --> 02:15:34,150
I've been around through the whole process from day one, I missed a couple years.

1354
02:15:34,150 --> 02:15:39,470
years was my sabbatical, but other than that, I've been part of this process.

1355
02:15:40,690 --> 02:15:48,490
And I don't think that the negotiating team failed you in the last four years from

1356
02:15:48,490 --> 02:15:49,930
when you opened up this contract.

1357
02:15:51,450 --> 02:15:54,970
They were always pushing the envelope.

1358
02:15:56,230 --> 02:15:58,870
We talk about positive things.

1359
02:15:58,870 --> 02:16:06,310
The positive things were to get GPMC to open it up to have participation of council on the board.

1360
02:16:06,690 --> 02:16:13,090
The positive things were all the infrastructure jobs that they negotiated, South Harbor Hill, North Harbor Hill,

1361
02:16:13,410 --> 02:16:17,330
Snown Harbor, the increase of the 100,000.

1362
02:16:17,470 --> 02:16:19,090
Those are all positive things.

1363
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:20,370
Those aren't negative things.

1364
02:16:20,490 --> 02:16:22,610
Those are positive benefits to the community.

1365
02:16:23,870 --> 02:16:27,230
Millions of dollars, just since the opening.

1366
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:31,170
of the contract four years ago.

1367
02:16:31,650 --> 02:16:38,690
And millions of dollars in CPI payments, which under the original agreement had no CPI.

1368
02:16:39,790 --> 02:16:45,050
You got to remember when this agreement was agreed to originally there was never a CPI

1369
02:16:45,050 --> 02:16:47,170
added for the first 20 years.

1370
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:53,390
And a CPI added to these agreements is millions of dollars.

1371
02:16:53,390 --> 02:17:04,110
So, don't fool yourself that they weren't positive positions that U.S. Council have been

1372
02:17:04,110 --> 02:17:10,250
here for the last four years hasn't progressively stepped forward and asked the solicitor and

1373
02:17:10,250 --> 02:17:16,610
asked your staff to do it. I've only been here for a year, but everything that we have asked

1374
02:17:16,610 --> 02:17:27,550
for and question, our CAO or our clerk or our solicitor has been forthcoming and has

1375
02:17:28,330 --> 02:17:32,850
given you, it's a slow agonizing process and I understand that these things take a long

1376
02:17:32,850 --> 02:17:39,150
time and it hasn't been the easiest thing but it's been very effective and we can go

1377
02:17:39,150 --> 02:17:48,610
rate back today, one, if you want, and see what $29 million that was set out in the original

1378
02:17:48,610 --> 02:17:58,530
agreement. Will GPMC fulfill that in 15 years? They did. They did exactly what you

1379
02:17:58,530 --> 02:18:06,610
asked them to do. We asked them back 20 years ago to do it alone, stand alone. We want

1380
02:18:06,610 --> 02:18:08,850
want to be arm's length away from this process.

1381
02:18:09,330 --> 02:18:13,390
We don't want any membership on that board, okay?

1382
02:18:13,950 --> 02:18:15,030
That was done purposely.

1383
02:18:15,450 --> 02:18:17,670
That was done purposely by the Council of the Day.

1384
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:19,810
It's done purposely by the federal government.

1385
02:18:20,690 --> 02:18:23,790
And all those agreements were adhered to.

1386
02:18:24,690 --> 02:18:27,750
They came before you every year for a budget.

1387
02:18:28,810 --> 02:18:31,150
You either passed it, questioned it, sent it back.

1388
02:18:31,630 --> 02:18:33,050
They did a great job.

1389
02:18:33,050 --> 02:18:44,010
They did exactly what you asked them to do for 15 years, and then you ask them, okay, let's open up the agreement.

1390
02:18:46,580 --> 02:18:54,740
They said, okay, we'll open up the agreement, and from then on, it just costs the users that much more money.

1391
02:18:55,720 --> 02:19:04,860
So, from my standpoint, the community is benefiting immensely from this financially.

1392
02:19:06,340 --> 02:19:10,660
It's benefiting from building our assets.

1393
02:19:11,140 --> 02:19:17,180
Remember that harbor, when we bought it, I don't know Larry may have quoted how much it was worth at the time.

1394
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,700
It may have been worth 50 million.

1395
02:19:21,820 --> 02:19:26,400
It's probably worth $150 million now on the assets, on the books.

1396
02:19:27,540 --> 02:19:33,860
I think that's a pretty good deal, and guess what, we didn't pay for it, the users paid for it.

1397
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:41,300
We were charged $650,000, sift will pay into $650,000 for us.

1398
02:19:41,700 --> 02:19:45,140
Not one tax dollar went in to purchase things at the heart.

1399
02:19:46,720 --> 02:19:54,980
And we've got, and I can, I can quote captains that have come in in the last year that have said.

1400
02:19:56,000 --> 02:20:01,920
Godwrench is one of the best harbors on the Great Lakes, you should be celebrating that.

1401
02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:07,580
And we've celebrated this agreement, the first agreement, the 15 year agreement that we had, and

1402
02:20:07,580 --> 02:20:16,680
infrastructure rebuilt. Our CAO at the time spoke about 3P conferences in Vancouver,

1403
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:23,260
to Spain, to I don't know where else he spoke at but at different conferences. We've

1404
02:20:23,260 --> 02:20:28,460
been celebrated across Canada for this. We've got to feel positive about it. We've got

1405
02:20:28,460 --> 02:20:34,080
to feel positive about the last agreement and we've got to feel real positive about the

1406
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:35,500
agreement that is before us tonight.

1407
02:20:37,460 --> 02:20:42,060
There's no question that you have negotiated exactly what we ask you to do.

1408
02:20:44,460 --> 02:20:50,380
But Councillor Donnelly is right in two facts in that number one, we don't have a solicitor

1409
02:20:50,380 --> 02:20:53,640
recommendation from our solicitor whether this is a good agreement or not.

1410
02:20:54,300 --> 02:20:58,800
We told you what to do and you did it, but we don't have a recommendation from our lawyer

1411
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:00,100
that you should sign this.

1412
02:21:00,200 --> 02:21:01,440
It's time to put pen to paper.

1413
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,860
I think that you, boy, should sign this thing.

1414
02:21:03,860 --> 02:21:11,840
And the other part that's really very, very critical to me is we've been, this is my

1415
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:16,600
second term at this, and I've been told numerous times that the previous agreement wasn't

1416
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:21,900
worth a powder, it would take to blow it up. I really want to have your assurance that

1417
02:21:21,900 --> 02:21:28,180
this is a legally binding contract, and if someone doesn't adhere to the agreements in it,

1418
02:21:28,180 --> 02:21:30,420
that it's not a binding contract.

1419
02:21:33,100 --> 02:21:40,460
Well, Mr. Schlisser, I would hope that we haven't got this far without every turn on this agreement.

1420
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:50,120
Standing here before us and sitting beside him as we negotiate, has always said, this we're doing a good thing.

1421
02:21:50,480 --> 02:21:52,160
This is going to be a good agreement.

1422
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:56,060
Now, he needs to make that recommendation verbally to Council.

1423
02:21:56,060 --> 02:21:57,120
I agree.

1424
02:22:00,140 --> 02:22:03,480
Councilor Donald. And then Mr. McKay.

1425
02:22:11,880 --> 02:22:18,540
Mr. Mayor, it seems to be unthinkable that a council would refuse to get a recommendation

1426
02:22:18,540 --> 02:22:24,340
from their solicitor. And for you to say, for him to stand up and say, I endorse it,

1427
02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:30,620
that's not, I don't want that one word endorsement. I want a critical examination of the document

1428
02:22:30,620 --> 02:22:33,460
with his conclusions, good, bad, or indifferent.

1429
02:22:34,340 --> 02:22:36,980
That's, and I don't see how in conscience

1430
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:39,780
and doing your duty, your sworn duty,

1431
02:22:40,180 --> 02:22:41,940
you can just turn your back on that

1432
02:22:41,940 --> 02:22:45,740
and say, don't bother me with the law or the facts,

1433
02:22:46,140 --> 02:22:47,320
my mind is made up.

1434
02:22:47,880 --> 02:22:51,080
Now, just don't, please, this is too important now.

1435
02:22:51,780 --> 02:22:56,920
You said to, how, compass or GPMC

1436
02:22:56,920 --> 02:22:58,800
and compass, they're interchangeable.

1437
02:22:59,400 --> 02:23:02,700
They did exactly as we told them to.

1438
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:04,380
Did I hear that correctly?

1439
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:07,880
They adhered to the contract that we first signed.

1440
02:23:08,060 --> 02:23:08,540
That's correct.

1441
02:23:08,860 --> 02:23:12,920
Well, I don't agree with you.

1442
02:23:13,380 --> 02:23:13,660
OK.

1443
02:23:15,580 --> 02:23:18,720
Just a minute, you don't know I can leave that hang on the hair

1444
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:19,480
in the air.

1445
02:23:19,940 --> 02:23:20,040
No.

1446
02:23:20,940 --> 02:23:26,120
I have a letter here from GPMC on June the 20th, 2016.

1447
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:37,980
And it deals with our request that Larry McCabe be appointed to the Board of the GPMC.

1448
02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:44,540
And they said, after careful consideration of our request,

1449
02:23:46,650 --> 02:23:49,330
we unanimously elected some

1450
02:23:49,330 --> 02:23:51,770
other person, not being John Gray's.

1451
02:23:51,770 --> 02:24:01,910
So, that was one position where the compass or GPMC didn't do exactly as we told them.

1452
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:08,150
They did the reverse and they explained that in these words.

1453
02:24:09,690 --> 02:24:18,610
They said, we thought it would be better to have a distinguished member of the town with

1454
02:24:18,610 --> 02:24:24,150
community service and so on and they said so they wanted a community service

1455
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:34,030
member. That's June the 20th 2016. I wrote a book on town council and I'm

1456
02:24:34,030 --> 02:24:41,390
reading from it and three years before that in 2013 I said this in my view the

1457
02:24:41,390 --> 02:24:44,550
time has come when there should be a public representative on the board.

1458
02:24:47,350 --> 02:24:47,990
My

1459
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:54,030
there's no point of me reading the reasons. All I'm saying is they are wrapping themselves

1460
02:24:54,610 --> 02:25:00,970
in that cloak of righteousness that they're going to appoint a public member over their

1461
02:25:00,970 --> 02:25:05,890
duty as our agent doing our business to take our recommendation.

1462
02:25:08,170 --> 02:25:10,190
I don't say that's doing

1463
02:25:10,190 --> 02:25:15,690
as we ask them to. The second thing is this. I have a letter here to

1464
02:25:15,690 --> 02:25:24,470
from Faskin-Martinow, and it's written it when they were in the context of applying for

1465
02:25:24,470 --> 02:25:30,730
status as a not-for-profit corporation. And I don't have the first page, so I haven't

1466
02:25:30,730 --> 02:25:41,570
got the date. The letter appears to be written by Barbara Miller, and it says this. It goes

1467
02:25:41,570 --> 02:25:44,390
was on about the membership and the governance and so on.

1468
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:50,050
And it says all excess revenue over expenditures

1469
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:55,050
is transferred by GPMC to the town of Goddard

1470
02:25:55,300 --> 02:25:56,810
at the end of every year.

1471
02:25:57,570 --> 02:26:01,270
Well, as far as my understanding, that's not true.

1472
02:26:01,970 --> 02:26:05,590
That money stays in the capital reserve fund there.

1473
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:07,390
Now, the

1474
02:26:09,410 --> 02:26:15,910
next thing is, on the back page it says that a copy of this is going forward

1475
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:22,910
to Roland Howe, Roland Howe, GPMC, so Roland got that information.

1476
02:26:23,490 --> 02:26:28,490
I don't know whether it was ever corrected or not, but then the next thing that happened

1477
02:26:28,490 --> 02:26:37,470
was we cut back to five acres instead of 15 acres.

1478
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:41,770
And we asked GPMC, well, you joined with us in this.

1479
02:26:42,750 --> 02:26:47,710
And this is the outfit that you say so conscientiously

1480
02:26:47,710 --> 02:26:50,130
has always done our back-and-call.

1481
02:26:51,410 --> 02:26:55,850
On July the 10th, 2015, they said this.

1482
02:26:55,850 --> 02:27:02,270
This is in response to our request, will you join in the five-acre development?

1483
02:27:03,610 --> 02:27:12,370
Any participation by GPMC in a revised port expansion plan would be conditional upon

1484
02:27:12,690 --> 02:27:18,190
its members approving such revised plan.

1485
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:27,620
They're telling us right, plain English, we're refusing your instruction, we're going

1486
02:27:27,620 --> 02:27:31,500
to take our instructions from the people that are the port users.

1487
02:27:36,500 --> 02:27:38,440
The next thing is this.

1488
02:27:40,980 --> 02:27:41,600
In

1489
02:27:44,740 --> 02:27:53,060
the annual report of May the 20th, 2015, they

1490
02:27:57,510 --> 02:28:01,870
report to us as follows. The fee schedule

1491
02:28:01,870 --> 02:28:08,330
would remain the same in 2014 and that's the very last thing and then the word

1492
02:28:08,330 --> 02:28:16,550
questions. Well that was not right because then we got in the 2015 budget

1493
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:23,630
notes we got this note from them. A 6.1 reduction in existing user fees was

1494
02:28:23,630 --> 02:28:30,430
put in place. So A, it's contrary to what they said themselves and B, it's

1495
02:28:30,430 --> 02:28:38,010
contrary to the contract which says they cannot alter the fees without the prior consent

1496
02:28:38,010 --> 02:28:44,630
of the town of Gotteridge. So that's another place where they didn't comply with our

1497
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:54,110
instructions. And I think I got more here if I can find them. But in any event, the point

1498
02:28:54,110 --> 02:29:01,650
What is as simple as this, if you look at the huge disadvantages, perpetual, no power

1499
02:29:01,650 --> 02:29:10,650
to do anything positive, only a veto power, and the users have control of the harbor during

1500
02:29:10,650 --> 02:29:11,950
the currency of the agreement.

1501
02:29:12,530 --> 02:29:18,250
Those are huge concessions to make, and you want to make them without getting a written

1502
02:29:18,250 --> 02:29:23,610
opinion from the solicitor as to whether we're doing the right thing or not, mistake.

1503
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:32,170
Let me say this, too, that there are three possible things we could do here tonight.

1504
02:29:32,830 --> 02:29:36,390
One, we could say the contract is fine.

1505
02:29:37,430 --> 02:29:43,930
Two, we could give instructions to say certain things will fend us generally it's right.

1506
02:29:43,930 --> 02:29:54,450
The third thing we could do would be to do nothing and doing nothing is better than signing

1507
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:58,290
that contract. Because if you sign that contract...

1508
02:30:00,500 --> 02:30:20,620
You place compass in a bulletproof building. You've sealed off the cracks. They're living there now. Why do you think they've negotiated for five years? Why did they do that? Because they're not sure that they've got a valid contract now.

1509
02:30:23,620 --> 02:30:32,000
And that's another thing. When you negotiate from a position of weakness, they say, oh, we can't win. You do a poor negotiation.

1510
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:39,740
And that's why I said, and I really think this is true, that we should get an independent

1511
02:30:39,740 --> 02:30:45,220
litigators' opinion as to the litigators' contract, and see what he says.

1512
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:48,060
I'm not talking about this contract.

1513
02:30:48,500 --> 02:30:50,240
I'm talking about the existing.

1514
02:30:50,780 --> 02:30:56,280
So I say, our solicitor gives us an opinion on this document that we're looking at tonight.

1515
02:30:56,280 --> 02:31:02,680
But we should get a litigators' opinion as to whether or not that original OAMM is

1516
02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:03,200
any good.

1517
02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:04,880
Those are my points.

1518
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:06,040
Thank you for hearing me.

1519
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:06,420
Thank you.

1520
02:31:06,980 --> 02:31:07,920
Mr. McCabe.

1521
02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:13,300
And then we'll ask a few questions or if council has questions and I've got a couple

1522
02:31:13,300 --> 02:31:13,620
comments.

1523
02:31:13,620 --> 02:31:15,500
I'm not sure you're asking me back.

1524
02:31:15,820 --> 02:31:18,100
Aside from this evening, don't answer that right now.

1525
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:18,920
So I'm not sure yet.

1526
02:31:19,020 --> 02:31:20,320
So I can give you my opinion.

1527
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:26,620
I think you're going down a road that Councillor Donnelly is suggesting you don't want to go.

1528
02:31:27,340 --> 02:31:32,400
You have negotiated in good faith, and they have, in my opinion, a contract.

1529
02:31:32,660 --> 02:31:36,100
We've done everything you have told us within the context of whatever.

1530
02:31:36,680 --> 02:31:40,820
Asking whether that, and the solicitor can tell you, if the solicitor walked in here and

1531
02:31:40,820 --> 02:31:44,640
I'm putting words in his mouth and said, here's a agreement here and said, I recommend

1532
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:45,540
you go into it.

1533
02:31:46,420 --> 02:31:47,900
You'd look at him and say, what?

1534
02:31:47,900 --> 02:31:51,580
You just tell us whether this is a legal document, and he can do that.

1535
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:56,440
He can go through some of the things that Councillor Donnelly's done, and he can tell you that this is a legal document.

1536
02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:59,640
And by the way, I don't know how he's going to tell you what pitfalls are.

1537
02:31:59,860 --> 02:32:00,740
We know what they are.

1538
02:32:01,020 --> 02:32:03,660
They've got a multiple vote at points, times, and certain things.

1539
02:32:04,100 --> 02:32:04,720
They've got this.

1540
02:32:05,060 --> 02:32:05,880
That's negotiations.

1541
02:32:06,540 --> 02:32:12,160
We've done our best job negotiating this agreement right now, and I'm not going to.

1542
02:32:12,260 --> 02:32:17,740
I've prepared to answer everyone of Councillor Donnelly's things that he just mentioned.

1543
02:32:17,740 --> 02:32:22,920
plus what he has before. I won't do it because you're going down a road of litigation.

1544
02:32:23,660 --> 02:32:27,480
And I'm not going to put an argument forward because if anybody has anything at all,

1545
02:32:27,500 --> 02:32:32,180
they're watching this video, and they're making notes. And I'm not going to argue

1546
02:32:32,180 --> 02:32:36,280
against them in open session on some of the points he made. You have the best agreement,

1547
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:40,980
in my opinion, that you could negotiate at this point in time. It's sort of like you got a house

1548
02:32:40,980 --> 02:32:45,040
and somebody wants to fix it. And I wouldn't argue against that and you're well protected.

1549
02:32:45,940 --> 02:32:50,900
The solicitor can go back to his office, he can come back and you try to put that, I don't know how he does that.

1550
02:32:51,500 --> 02:32:52,400
I really don't.

1551
02:32:52,740 --> 02:32:57,820
And if he walks in here the next meeting and doesn't satisfy some of the things that have just been mentioned now and he can't.

1552
02:32:58,820 --> 02:33:01,180
And if you do nothing, counsel down these wrong.

1553
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:06,940
If you do nothing because our opinion is the 2012 agreement is invalid.

1554
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:08,620
If you do nothing, it's valid.

1555
02:33:10,060 --> 02:33:11,720
I don't know where you're going with all this.

1556
02:33:11,960 --> 02:33:12,340
Good luck.

1557
02:33:12,340 --> 02:33:14,800
If you invite me back, that's part of my contract.

1558
02:33:15,040 --> 02:33:17,600
I'll come back, but I think it's wrong the way you're going.

1559
02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:21,100
You're talking to the legal fees you want to see from a Bay Steat lawyer.

1560
02:33:21,300 --> 02:33:23,020
They're between $6,800 an hour.

1561
02:33:23,460 --> 02:33:24,260
That's what they are.

1562
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:26,300
If that's where you want to go, go do it.

1563
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,900
But you're going to end up back in this, making the same decision you can make tonight.

1564
02:33:30,380 --> 02:33:31,760
Good luck for Council to do it.

1565
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:33,720
It's an excellent agreement as far as I can turn.

1566
02:33:33,880 --> 02:33:36,540
It was like negotiate the way you directed us to do it.

1567
02:33:38,460 --> 02:33:44,280
Councillor, I just ask anyone else, but go ahead, Councillor, then I'll make a comment.

1568
02:33:44,440 --> 02:33:51,300
Well, this inter-rom and terror argument about a $600 or $800 an hour, Bay Street lawyer.

1569
02:33:53,870 --> 02:33:59,030
Who does he think, who does McCabe think we're paying or we're dealing with now?

1570
02:33:59,930 --> 02:34:03,850
Fask and Martin O. And where's that money coming from?

1571
02:34:03,850 --> 02:34:10,810
It's coming from town of Godwin's money and they won't even tell us how much they ignored our request

1572
02:34:13,560 --> 02:34:14,180
the

1573
02:34:14,760 --> 02:34:17,880
the macape set that macape statement

1574
02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:26,560
Just now that he made reminds me of this the one parent looks to the other parents and says well

1575
02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:29,380
These kids aren't much but they're ours

1576
02:34:30,180 --> 02:34:33,480
That's macape saying this contract. He's negotiated

1577
02:34:33,480 --> 02:34:40,150
I have told you the things that are wrong with it, and there are such important things.

1578
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:44,310
Go on forever, no positive power, none.

1579
02:34:48,010 --> 02:34:48,310
Okay.

1580
02:34:49,470 --> 02:34:55,650
I guess my last comment was that we have been through this, and I can't remember the

1581
02:34:55,650 --> 02:34:56,390
specific date.

1582
02:34:56,530 --> 02:34:57,550
I think it was in May.

1583
02:34:58,330 --> 02:35:04,890
We went through it as a council, lying by lying, word by word.

1584
02:35:04,890 --> 02:35:16,130
work. And we made the changes. We were comfortable. We had four or five outstanding issues and asked

1585
02:35:16,130 --> 02:35:23,850
and it was unanimous at that meeting that we were okay, make those changes and we were

1586
02:35:23,850 --> 02:35:31,090
okay and you sent this back to the negotiating table and that's exactly what we did and

1587
02:35:31,090 --> 02:35:33,470
brought forward what we said we would.

1588
02:35:34,090 --> 02:35:42,950
It is semantics as far as I'm concerned, whether it's, when I was appointed, how I was appointed to the board three or four years ago.

1589
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:54,270
Yes, and in the original contract, I've read that they had the right to reduce it if they could, but the hammer is here.

1590
02:35:54,270 --> 02:36:02,670
here. We have the levers of power through the budgets. So even if they came back next

1591
02:36:02,670 --> 02:36:09,650
week wanting to reduce, no, because we have the power. It's all the levers are with us.

1592
02:36:10,730 --> 02:36:19,790
We own the budget. So I agree with Mr. McCabe. We probably could argue point by point. I don't

1593
02:36:19,790 --> 02:36:24,690
I think we should. There's no way that this agreement would be in front of us if our

1594
02:36:24,690 --> 02:36:31,370
solicitor didn't recommend to staff and myself and those on the table that it was a good

1595
02:36:31,370 --> 02:36:37,230
agreement and that we need to bring it now to council. He said that to us, absolutely

1596
02:36:37,230 --> 02:36:41,930
has. And he hasn't said it tonight. He's prepared to do it.

1597
02:36:41,970 --> 02:36:48,170
Yeah, he's prepared to do it. We haven't got to the final conclusion. And doing nothing from

1598
02:36:48,170 --> 02:36:55,230
From my perspective, as a mayor, we lose the opportunity for South Harbour, we lose the

1599
02:36:55,230 --> 02:37:00,790
opportunity for North Harbour, snug Harbour, all the things that we've progressed in a

1600
02:37:00,790 --> 02:37:02,310
positive manner moving forward.

1601
02:37:03,070 --> 02:37:04,390
It's council's decision.

1602
02:37:08,980 --> 02:37:15,700
I'm sure that Mr. Stewart would not be here if he felt that this was not a good agreement.

1603
02:37:15,700 --> 02:37:25,860
But I will ask him, you know, if he feels that and it goes back to my, you know, risk

1604
02:37:25,860 --> 02:37:31,960
assessment on, what are we losing?

1605
02:37:33,860 --> 02:37:35,020
What are we gaining?

1606
02:37:36,280 --> 02:37:41,280
Is this a legal document and we've had lots of lawyers hammer away at it.

1607
02:37:45,420 --> 02:37:55,400
Well, you refresh my memory as to what our procedural by-laws says about the mayor engaging

1608
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:59,020
in the debate and having someone else take the chair.

1609
02:37:59,460 --> 02:38:02,560
Is that my recollection or is that just fantasy?

1610
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:08,660
Make a comment that I would be commenting on this.

1611
02:38:09,620 --> 02:38:14,320
If you object to my comments, then we'll go to the procedural by-law.

1612
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:16,380
I didn't hear the last part.

1613
02:38:16,760 --> 02:38:21,540
If you object to my comments and want to make an issue of it, we'll go to the procedural

1614
02:38:21,540 --> 02:38:21,920
by-law.

1615
02:38:24,900 --> 02:38:26,000
I'll ask for it to be read it.

1616
02:38:26,200 --> 02:38:28,380
I wondered if you knew because I don't.

1617
02:38:28,580 --> 02:38:28,800
But, uh,

1618
02:38:34,350 --> 02:38:37,730
Maddox, again, you just vacate the chair, somebody goes in, you say what you want

1619
02:38:37,730 --> 02:38:38,230
to say anyways.

1620
02:38:39,470 --> 02:38:40,750
It's all the same.

1621
02:38:41,890 --> 02:38:44,830
I've seen it for many years, and it's all of you.

1622
02:38:45,930 --> 02:38:48,790
The same or there wouldn't be that provision on the by-law.

1623
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:49,670
So

1624
02:38:52,390 --> 02:38:54,690
we continue to go in circles here.

1625
02:38:55,770 --> 02:39:04,830
My question for Greg is, do you feel that this is going to be a binding document moving

1626
02:39:04,830 --> 02:39:05,410
forward?

1627
02:39:06,450 --> 02:39:12,690
Does it have the terminology in there stating that this contract replaces all previous contracts

1628
02:39:12,690 --> 02:39:15,850
and makes this a firm document moving forward?

1629
02:39:16,450 --> 02:39:19,450
Do we have a strong termination agreement in this agreement?

1630
02:39:20,290 --> 02:39:22,590
Those are the questions I'm asking you as a lawyer.

1631
02:39:23,950 --> 02:39:24,310
Yes.

1632
02:39:27,810 --> 02:39:32,350
It does have a strong termination agreement, which wasn't in the earlier agreement.

1633
02:39:33,290 --> 02:39:38,430
There's a definite provision that if there's a default by either party, the other party

1634
02:39:38,430 --> 02:39:39,610
can terminate the agreement.

1635
02:39:40,210 --> 02:39:45,110
The way the earlier agreement was it had you went spinning into mediation and a bunch of stuff.

1636
02:39:45,370 --> 02:39:47,830
With how many days notice or is it immediate?

1637
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:48,870
I believe it's 30.

1638
02:39:49,810 --> 02:39:51,730
And what was the first question, Sorry?

1639
02:39:52,270 --> 02:40:00,590
Is there clauses in this document stating that this replaces all previous documents and this is a firm document

1640
02:40:00,590 --> 02:40:01,270
moving forward?

1641
02:40:01,310 --> 02:40:02,730
Yes, and it is a binding agreement.

1642
02:40:03,490 --> 02:40:03,790
Thank you.

1643
02:40:08,420 --> 02:40:08,740
Okay.

1644
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:13,780
Have we voted on the motion?

1645
02:40:18,220 --> 02:40:18,580
You're welcome.

1646
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:23,700
I just want to say one other point is that I noticed in our last discussion since there have been numerous changes

1647
02:40:23,700 --> 02:40:29,360
There's been a real effort, and I think you've seen it to try to work with the town.

1648
02:40:29,940 --> 02:40:35,920
And I saw that in the last negotiations with the new individuals, and I see a positive thing going forward.

1649
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:36,960
I just want to make that comment.

1650
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:48,300
Yes. I want, if I could, if you would indulge me, Council, I've asked our CAO to talk about that renewed relationship.

1651
02:40:49,160 --> 02:40:58,360
and I will also ask the director of operations the impact that the community has had for the

1652
02:40:58,360 --> 02:41:03,560
infrastructure through these contracts. If I could ask the CEO to talk about the renewed

1653
02:41:03,560 --> 02:41:08,360
relationship with not only GPMC but with Compass Minerals.

1654
02:41:09,360 --> 02:41:16,720
Thank you, Your Worship. Through you, I had received a phone call back in November from

1655
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:23,220
some compass minerals staff that were really wanting to ensure that this council and staff

1656
02:41:23,220 --> 02:41:29,340
understood and knew that they were in a position where they wanted to reach out and demonstrate

1657
02:41:29,340 --> 02:41:33,600
that they want to be a good corporate partners with the town.

1658
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:39,850
Most recently this past Saturday, and they had in that discussion back in November, they

1659
02:41:39,850 --> 02:41:47,690
indicated that I would be receiving an email with respect to an engagement of a communications firm,

1660
02:41:48,190 --> 02:41:53,570
Abernathy McGregor, that would be working with compass minerals to collect information,

1661
02:41:54,110 --> 02:41:59,650
and to have conversations to establish communication with community members,

1662
02:41:59,910 --> 02:42:05,170
new business, and getting important feedback from people, and how they're doing.

1663
02:42:05,170 --> 02:42:10,290
Are they doing well in the areas where we need to improve on and how we can best build

1664
02:42:10,290 --> 02:42:12,130
upon our existing working relationships?

1665
02:42:14,390 --> 02:42:19,610
To me, a lot of the discussions that we have had, even with our meeting that we had

1666
02:42:19,610 --> 02:42:26,530
back in October, there seems to be obviously with the appointments of the new COO CEO, is

1667
02:42:26,530 --> 02:42:32,270
that there is a huge commitment on their part to ensure they engage partnerships with

1668
02:42:32,270 --> 02:42:37,830
the town through campus minerals and GPMC and I think that we just wanted to ensure

1669
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:41,610
that councilor where they have reached out to us on several occasions to do that.

1670
02:42:44,850 --> 02:42:49,390
I also got that same letter but I got it from two different people.

1671
02:42:49,550 --> 02:42:53,990
I got it from Wayne McConnell and from a lady that I don't know who she was.

1672
02:42:55,110 --> 02:43:03,290
And also, if we have to recognize that this senior management team has been intimate in

1673
02:43:03,290 --> 02:43:07,530
this whole process over the last four or five years.

1674
02:43:08,090 --> 02:43:15,070
I'm new to the process, but they have been there day in and day out with meetings, whether

1675
02:43:15,070 --> 02:43:20,630
it's in Toronto, whether it's here, and our Director of Operations has been at the table

1676
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:25,330
through all discussions as the rest of the senior management team from the

1677
02:43:25,330 --> 02:43:32,830
treasurer to the now clerk Andrea but I'd like to ask Chip to have a little

1678
02:43:32,830 --> 02:43:38,950
overview of the positive things maybe I shouldn't say I find them positive

1679
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:46,090
what has happened with this agreement over the last is he's been here a long

1680
02:43:46,090 --> 02:43:51,720
time he's been here longer than the agreement well I think a lot of it has

1681
02:43:51,720 --> 02:43:58,900
been reiterated several times here this evening on the positives and obviously I looked

1682
02:43:58,900 --> 02:44:06,700
from the infrastructure part of it and what has been done since 1999 and as Larry already

1683
02:44:06,700 --> 02:44:13,000
commented in his letter that they committed to doing $29 million and that was right in

1684
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:19,560
schedule what was known as schedule 6 back in 1999 and they did fulfill it and moving forward

1685
02:44:19,560 --> 02:44:26,660
the harbor we regarded as a gem and John commented this past year at a top

1686
02:44:26,660 --> 02:44:32,400
hat ceremony the captain the command said exactly that it's a pleasure to

1687
02:44:32,400 --> 02:44:37,800
come to the Godreach harbor he said when I leave here I'm going down the

1688
02:44:37,800 --> 02:44:43,200
St. Clair down the Detroit River and then back up through the Rouge River and he

1689
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:49,040
said literally back up because there is no turning base and for his vessel to back

1690
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:55,540
up five kilometers to the Tom Lode, the salt is huge. But he said you come into a nicely

1691
02:44:55,540 --> 02:44:59,820
protected harbor here that has great infrastructure, and it has a plant.

1692
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,780
And the upkeep of it. As well as what we've already talked about, North Harbor Road, saving going to the tax dollars for a half a million. What will be coming in 2023 for North Harbor Road? 2.5 million is huge contribution from GPMC and when the water levels subside and also they're looking at probably about 20, 25, three quarters of a million that they're willing to

1693
02:45:30,920 --> 02:45:32,900
contribution back to snug harbor.

1694
02:45:33,600 --> 02:45:38,560
So through the negotiations and especially with having some new people at the table, there

1695
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:45,480
is definitely a will to make amends with even with their staff down there.

1696
02:45:46,020 --> 02:45:50,480
They want to reach out and with their workers and they have a different mindset that maybe

1697
02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:54,280
previous administration had off as a compass.

1698
02:45:54,280 --> 02:46:11,280
But through the negotiations it has been long, but I think where we're at now is a very productive and successful negotiation, and I only see the same thing.

1699
02:46:11,780 --> 02:46:16,340
Positive, from it obviously there's always going to be something that somebody isn't going to agree with.

1700
02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:20,900
But on the big term and the big picture I think it's all positive.

1701
02:46:20,900 --> 02:46:21,400
You

1702
02:46:23,540 --> 02:46:30,800
know, the treasurer plays a significant role not only on the treasurer's side of these

1703
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:38,320
agreements, but also I found through the negotiations and through the long conversations

1704
02:46:38,860 --> 02:46:39,980
about the agreement.

1705
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:50,980
She has been a stickler for detail, far beyond what I thought was a reasonable fact.

1706
02:46:50,980 --> 02:47:01,360
So, she can talk about how in depth that this committee and the solicitor went into making

1707
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:06,740
sure that this was a good contract viable and legal.

1708
02:47:07,340 --> 02:47:10,240
I don't know if you have any comments, Madam Treasurer?

1709
02:47:14,890 --> 02:47:22,530
Firstly, I guess thank you for the compliment because when I view a contract, I do like to

1710
02:47:22,530 --> 02:47:25,190
go through every paragraph.

1711
02:47:26,470 --> 02:47:30,470
And I too see a lot of positives in this contract

1712
02:47:30,930 --> 02:47:33,510
in comparison with the previous.

1713
02:47:33,930 --> 02:47:36,530
You're certainly getting more money into the Waterfront

1714
02:47:36,530 --> 02:47:39,730
Reserve Fund to do the projects that you're

1715
02:47:40,310 --> 02:47:42,830
going to develop through your strategies

1716
02:47:42,830 --> 02:47:43,970
and your strategic plan.

1717
02:47:45,630 --> 02:47:48,250
The CPI, it does.

1718
02:47:48,250 --> 02:47:55,650
Because the mayor's correct, it probably over the 20-month term, well, no probably.

1719
02:47:55,890 --> 02:48:03,070
If I calculated it, it's 5.2 million increase in revenue compared to, if the, just related

1720
02:48:03,070 --> 02:48:12,890
to the compass mineral part of the fees, that's going to come in just due to the CPI.

1721
02:48:12,890 --> 02:48:19,970
If you compare where we are at right now at your 1.5 million and CPI, as per the contract

1722
02:48:19,970 --> 02:48:27,910
starting in 2024, there's $5.2 million more coming in and as to go back a little bit

1723
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:38,390
to Deputy Mayor Murdoch's question about the risks around limiting that 1.5% CPI increase.

1724
02:48:39,330 --> 02:48:47,110
I guess as you look out over the schedule that's in the document, that schedule accounts

1725
02:48:47,110 --> 02:48:53,210
for the cash on hand, it accounts for the revenues in, it accounts for the operating expenses,

1726
02:48:53,750 --> 02:49:00,730
it shows the planned capital expenditures over the next 20 years and accounts for the cash

1727
02:49:00,730 --> 02:49:01,690
on hand at the end.

1728
02:49:01,690 --> 02:49:04,470
So they're comfortable using the assumptions.

1729
02:49:04,470 --> 02:49:06,650
Certainly, it's all assumptions based.

1730
02:49:07,230 --> 02:49:09,710
That revenue will cover the projects

1731
02:49:09,710 --> 02:49:11,090
that they think they want to do,

1732
02:49:11,790 --> 02:49:16,070
including the incremental costs of contributing

1733
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:19,390
to town projects of the two roads and snook harbor.

1734
02:49:20,850 --> 02:49:23,710
There's always given take and an negotiation, sure.

1735
02:49:25,730 --> 02:49:29,810
But as for the risk regarding the inflationary increase,

1736
02:49:29,810 --> 02:49:38,860
I think the management plan provides some comfort in that they feel those fees are going

1737
02:49:38,860 --> 02:49:39,460
to cover it.

1738
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:45,980
Now, if down the road some big project comes along, there's a mechanism in place where

1739
02:49:45,980 --> 02:49:53,920
that project can be brought forward by the users, discuss the GPM board level, and then brought

1740
02:49:53,920 --> 02:50:00,400
to the town, and then the town can determine whether they think that is a benefit in their

1741
02:50:00,400 --> 02:50:09,940
view as well. I think it's a work together agreement, the users, their needs are certainly

1742
02:50:09,940 --> 02:50:16,080
addressed. Nobody I don't think is disputing that. They are having a large amount of input

1743
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:21,600
into the projects that are brought forward in the plan, but really does that not make sense

1744
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:27,960
in that they are the ones that use the port. It's in their best interest to provide a management

1745
02:50:27,960 --> 02:50:34,340
and maintenance plan that is going to maintain that port to continue to be the gem that we want

1746
02:50:34,340 --> 02:50:34,840
it to be.

1747
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:45,170
Okay. Councilor Donnelly had a comment and then Councillor Hoye.

1748
02:50:45,730 --> 02:50:53,030
Simply this, we're talking about all the money they're going to pay on the CPI. Let us

1749
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:59,910
remind ourselves that from 1999 onward, up till today, there hasn't been a change in the

1750
02:50:59,910 --> 02:51:06,150
rates and according to their proposal, there wouldn't be any change in the CPI for the

1751
02:51:06,150 --> 02:51:13,230
next four years to 2024. Well, if you had attended your house at the same rent for 24

1752
02:51:13,230 --> 02:51:18,890
years, surely it's time he's sped up a little CPI. I don't see you getting any great credit

1753
02:51:18,890 --> 02:51:19,370
for that.

1754
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:23,400
It was all part of the negotiations.

1755
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:25,280
Councillor Hoye.

1756
02:51:25,560 --> 02:51:30,180
Okay, so we're in open council. We've asked our solicitor whether this is a strong contract,

1757
02:51:30,180 --> 02:51:37,400
And yes, it is. We've asked our solicitor whether there's a strong termination agreement in there. And yes, there is.

1758
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:43,160
Greg, would you recommend as our town solicitor that we sign this contract?

1759
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:59,170
Based on my instructions and what I was asked to, we were asked to go and negotiate, I can recommend it as something you could sign.

1760
02:52:00,770 --> 02:52:04,730
Again, so I'm going to state that one more time, so it's clear for everyone.

1761
02:52:05,470 --> 02:52:08,230
We gave you instructions of what we wanted you to do.

1762
02:52:09,030 --> 02:52:13,990
You followed those instructions, and you are now saying that you are recommending, as

1763
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:19,230
our town solicitor, that this is a strong document, and we should sign this document based

1764
02:52:19,230 --> 02:52:20,650
upon our instructions to you.

1765
02:52:20,990 --> 02:52:21,190
Yes.

1766
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:22,230
Thank you.

1767
02:52:25,400 --> 02:52:25,700
Okay.

1768
02:52:26,340 --> 02:52:29,280
We're just waiting for Councillor Murdoch to reappear.

1769
02:52:29,280 --> 02:52:30,360
Thank

1770
02:52:43,870 --> 02:52:47,190
you, Councillor, for

1771
02:52:51,800 --> 02:52:55,480
clarification purposes. I asked our solicitor. Is on.

1772
02:53:00,440 --> 02:53:17,140
I was asked if I would recommend this as an agreement and I indicated that based on the negotiations based on what my instructions were, based on what we were instructed to go and attempt to get an agreement, I can recommend it as a good agreement to sign.

1773
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:27,660
Okay. I think that's it.

1774
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:39,420
I'm going to have a motion on the table right now that we have to see to what is the

1775
02:53:39,420 --> 02:53:42,880
motion? Almost lost it there.

1776
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:50,900
The motion was to do it and just said no no no I understand it true that's true

1777
02:53:50,900 --> 02:53:54,100
I know and

1778
02:53:59,090 --> 02:54:00,650
you're pleased to speak the motion

1779
02:54:01,390 --> 02:54:04,710
Move by a Councillor Donnelly seconded by Councillor Hoye

1780
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:09,290
That the town solicitor be instructed to provide an analysis and

1781
02:54:09,290 --> 02:54:15,870
Recommendation on the proposed operating management and maintenance agreement for the port of Goddard's between GPMC and the town

1782
02:54:17,010 --> 02:54:19,790
Okay, so that was the motion.

1783
02:54:21,310 --> 02:54:28,350
So then we have to, we'll vote on that, and then we'll go on from there, provided

1784
02:54:28,350 --> 02:54:29,050
that passes.

1785
02:54:29,750 --> 02:54:33,130
There's been a recorded vote asked.

1786
02:54:34,670 --> 02:54:35,050
Okay.

1787
02:54:39,130 --> 02:54:41,770
Everyone understand the question?

1788
02:54:46,230 --> 02:54:46,490
Sorry.

1789
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:48,270
Calling on Councillor Donnelly.

1790
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:48,950
Yay.

1791
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:50,950
Councillor Roy.

1792
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:55,040
I look like a cook now, but nay.

1793
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:57,700
Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

1794
02:54:58,740 --> 02:54:59,340
Nay.

1795
02:54:59,840 --> 02:55:00,940
Councillor Tamming.

1796
02:55:01,540 --> 02:55:01,780
Nay.

1797
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:03,400
Councillor Thompson?

1798
02:55:05,800 --> 02:55:06,200
Mayor Grace.

1799
02:55:06,860 --> 02:55:07,060
Nay.

1800
02:55:08,280 --> 02:55:08,600
Nay.

1801
02:55:08,600 --> 02:55:09,580
Mayor Grace.

1802
02:55:10,020 --> 02:55:10,160
Nay.

1803
02:55:12,220 --> 02:55:14,460
It's defeated five to one.

1804
02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:15,780
Okay.

1805
02:55:16,280 --> 02:55:17,300
That is defeated.

1806
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:23,280
Now we'll go on to, if someone wants to make a motion, we'll bring a by-law forward.

1807
02:55:23,280 --> 02:55:26,200
Is that what we have the by-laws?

1808
02:55:26,660 --> 02:55:29,600
It's council's wishes we can bring the by-law forward

1809
02:55:30,340 --> 02:55:33,420
right now to deal with it with the agreements.

1810
02:55:34,740 --> 02:55:36,220
And we'll take a vote.

1811
02:55:42,360 --> 02:55:43,500
Yeah, we can make a motion.

1812
02:55:46,060 --> 02:55:50,380
Okay, and the motion number I think is 2015.

1813
02:55:53,700 --> 02:55:55,980
All right, 15 of 2020.

1814
02:55:56,200 --> 02:55:58,160
Sorry, that that would come forward.

1815
02:55:58,920 --> 02:55:59,740
Seconded by.

1816
02:55:59,740 --> 02:56:06,280
second. Deputy Mayor Murdoch. Recorded vote,

1817
02:56:09,280 --> 02:56:10,800
if I could ask for a record of vote.

1818
02:56:12,540 --> 02:56:19,240
No, no, on the third reading. Okay. Okay. We'll do the first reading. Councillor

1819
02:56:19,240 --> 02:56:20,740
Murdoch. I mean, Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

1820
02:56:24,330 --> 02:56:25,770
Move for first reading. Yes.

1821
02:56:29,970 --> 02:56:32,490
Seconded by Councillor

1822
02:56:38,690 --> 02:56:40,210
second. Deputy Mayor.

1823
02:56:42,590 --> 02:56:47,990
By line number 15 of 2020 being a by-law to authorize an operating management and maintenance

1824
02:56:47,990 --> 02:56:53,910
agreement for the port of Goddurch between Goddurch Port Management Corporation, GPMC and

1825
02:56:53,910 --> 02:56:55,430
the Corporation of the town of Goddurch.

1826
02:56:59,990 --> 02:57:13,830
Seconded by, Councilor Tammy. All in favor? Carried. Move for second reading. Seconded by, all in favor. Carried.

1827
02:57:15,430 --> 02:57:27,290
Byelun number 15 of 2020, being a by-law to authorize an operating management and maintenance agreement for the port of Goddurch between Goddurch Park Management Corporation, GPMC, and the Corporation of the town of Goddurch.

1828
02:57:33,150 --> 02:57:40,470
Seconded by. Seconded by Councillor Hoye. Questions?

1829
02:57:43,250 --> 02:57:45,090
This is really silly, but what was

1830
02:57:45,090 --> 02:57:49,350
bylaw 14? We just read that as bylaw 15.

1831
02:57:54,120 --> 02:57:57,400
There's another one coming in closed that

1832
02:57:57,400 --> 02:58:01,160
is bylaw 14 coming forward. It's already been assigned. Thank you.

1833
02:58:01,160 --> 02:58:05,680
Okay. Okay. Okay. Questions? No questions?

1834
02:58:08,940 --> 02:58:10,130
You're a question.

1835
02:58:11,500 --> 02:58:16,240
I would then move that by law 15 of 2020, be given a third and final reading.

1836
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:20,080
Mayor and clerk hereby authorize and instructed signs same.

1837
02:58:20,540 --> 02:58:22,300
Place the corporate seal later on too.

1838
02:58:22,740 --> 02:58:24,040
And I've asked for a recorded vote.

1839
02:58:26,820 --> 02:58:29,040
Record a vote called. Councillor Donnelly.

1840
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:30,260
Nate.

1841
02:58:30,960 --> 02:58:32,560
Councillor Hoye.

1842
02:58:32,560 --> 02:58:32,780
Yeah.

1843
02:58:33,400 --> 02:58:34,760
Deputy Mayor Murdoch.

1844
02:58:35,540 --> 02:58:36,120
Yeah.

1845
02:58:36,980 --> 02:58:37,800
Councillor Tamming.

1846
02:58:38,340 --> 02:58:38,900
Yeah.

1847
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:40,600
Councillor Thompson.

1848
02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:41,460
Yeah.

1849
02:58:43,460 --> 02:58:44,380
Mayor Grace.

1850
02:58:45,420 --> 02:58:45,620
Yeah.

1851
02:58:46,340 --> 02:58:48,240
That's carried on five yeas, one nay.

1852
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:50,240
Okay.

1853
02:58:51,940 --> 02:58:56,780
If I know it's late, we're going to take a five minute recess and we need to go into close

1854
02:58:56,780 --> 02:58:57,900
for personal matters.

1855
02:58:58,760 --> 02:59:03,720
If I could ask the clerk to read out why we're going into closed.

1856
02:59:10,610 --> 02:59:11,530
Thank you, your worship.

1857
02:59:12,770 --> 02:59:21,310
Council is going to go into personal matters to deal with, sorry, to deal with personal matters under section 239-2-B,

1858
02:59:22,030 --> 02:59:30,230
D-F-I-N-K, and I ask at this time that the senior management team that would include the clerk, the director of operations, and

1859
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:34,070
to the treasurer and myself to be present during that discussion with council.

1860
02:59:34,930 --> 02:59:36,350
Thank you five minute recess.

1861
03:20:13,140 --> 03:20:42,700
So I have a motion coming out of closed. There was some personal matters that were addressed by council. And I have a motion here. I need to move on a second or first of all. I would move that. Second, second, by Councillor Tammy. Can you read the motion? Thank you. The Goddard's Town Council approved the revised job description and pay bans for the director of operation position as well as the director of, or sorry, the deputy.

1862
03:20:42,700 --> 03:20:47,980
Sorry, so the deputy clerk, a health and safety and emergency preparedness coordinator

1863
03:20:47,980 --> 03:20:49,540
for the Corporation of the Town of Goddard.

1864
03:20:49,760 --> 03:20:53,520
The updated pay ban for the director of operation will be set up pay ban three.

1865
03:20:54,180 --> 03:21:00,220
Pay ban three is consistent with the treasure's position, and the deputy clerk's position

1866
03:21:00,220 --> 03:21:06,540
will be at pay ban seven, which is consistent with the current deputy clerk's administrative

1867
03:21:06,540 --> 03:21:09,780
assistance to the CAO and clerk planning coordinator rule.

1868
03:21:10,980 --> 03:21:20,260
These bans will be set and they will become part of the town's non-union salary grid and a subject to the terms of the full-time employees of the town of Gotterge.

1869
03:21:20,920 --> 03:21:21,780
All in favor.

1870
03:21:22,640 --> 03:21:23,000
Carrie.

1871
03:21:27,980 --> 03:21:34,500
We need a mover and seconder for the first reading of the by-law, 14.

1872
03:21:35,060 --> 03:21:35,740
So moved.

1873
03:21:37,720 --> 03:21:38,240
All in favor.

1874
03:21:39,300 --> 03:21:39,520
Carrie.

1875
03:21:40,660 --> 03:21:45,980
Byline number 14 of 2020 being a by-law to appoint a deputy clerk, health and safety and emergency

1876
03:21:45,980 --> 03:21:50,800
per- sorry, emergency preparedness coordinator for the corporation, the town of Goddard.

1877
03:21:51,940 --> 03:22:02,180
The appointment will be for a- excuse me, Michaela, Johnston Schneiderberg and she will be fulfilling

1878
03:22:02,180 --> 03:22:06,580
that role immediately as effective January the 13th, 2020.

1879
03:22:18,550 --> 03:22:20,310
Seconded by Councillor Thompson.

1880
03:22:26,140 --> 03:22:26,260
Sorry.

1881
03:22:26,400 --> 03:22:30,980
By the number 14 of 2020 being a by-law to appoint a deputy clerk, health and safety and emergency

1882
03:22:30,980 --> 03:22:34,100
preparedness coordinator for the corporation of the town of Gauderge.

1883
03:22:37,950 --> 03:22:39,030
Take it as a second time.

1884
03:22:40,030 --> 03:22:40,630
Seconded by.

1885
03:22:41,330 --> 03:22:43,110
Seconded by Councillor Tammi.

1886
03:22:44,090 --> 03:22:46,090
Any questions on the by-law?

1887
03:22:47,390 --> 03:22:48,530
I'm sure it's at all in favor.

1888
03:22:48,530 --> 03:22:52,450
No questions on the by-law? All in favor, carried.

1889
03:22:53,850 --> 03:22:58,430
I would move that by-law 14 of 2020, be given a third and final reading, the mayor and

1890
03:22:58,430 --> 03:23:04,010
the clerk being here by authorized and instructed to sign the same place the corporate seal

1891
03:23:04,010 --> 03:23:09,210
are on to. Seconded by, Councillor Tammie. All in favor,

1892
03:23:09,830 --> 03:23:10,050
carried.

1893
03:23:12,220 --> 03:23:13,860
Okay, we'll have confirming by-law.

1894
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,460
So moved by, Councillor Donnelly.

1895
03:23:21,640 --> 03:23:24,740
and Councillor Tamini seconds it all in favor.

1896
03:23:25,300 --> 03:23:27,300
Carried. A German.

1897
03:23:30,540 --> 03:23:31,880
Councillor Thompson.

1898
03:23:32,840 --> 03:23:33,780
Seconded by.

1899
03:23:35,280 --> 03:23:37,240
Seconded by Councillor Donnelly.

1900
03:23:38,120 --> 03:23:38,680
All in favor.

1901
03:23:39,440 --> 03:23:39,700
Carried.

1902
03:23:40,200 --> 03:23:41,100
Thank you, Councillor.

1903
03:23:41,360 --> 03:23:41,820
Good night.

1904
03:23:43,320 --> 03:23:43,940
Okay.