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Okay.

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Good evening and welcome to the Goffstown Selectboard.

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July 13th, 2026. Regular meeting.

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If you will join me with the Pledge of Allegiance,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag,

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of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Everyone have seen the,

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June 22nd, public meetings.

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Minutes

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to entertain a motion.

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Make a motion.

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We accept the minutes.

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622 2026, public and nonpublic.

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If corrections are needed, as will

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second to a motion by Mark, second by Richard.

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All in favor?

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I okay, I don't see any announcements.

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Anybody have any announcements?

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Okay.

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Open the floor for public comment.

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Anyone have any public comment for.

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No, not not anything specific on the agenda today. Just,

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anything.

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Okay. Hearing nothing.

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We'll move on.

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Maybe with the fire chief.

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Do you want to do the, the grant?

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We got a little time.

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This is a I have this.

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Charge of which one?

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Not the public hearing one.

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The one that you added.

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Yeah, sure.

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So we have an opportunity

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to apply for a grant.

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What I'm asking for is

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I've been working with a couple departments in our area

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to look at possibly regional izing our E-m-s

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transport capability and utilizing,

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limited resources in the entire region a little bit more effectively.

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That is a gigantic project.

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And very costly to look into the studies and stuff like that.

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However, right now is an opportunity

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for us to get a grant that's 100% funded.

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That could actually pay for the study of that.

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So unfortunately,

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the grants I just I gave you guys the dates, it's a very short window.

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So I apologize.

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We're getting to to today.

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We're still working through some issues.

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Golf sound technically right now

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is not considered a rural community, nor is where, for some odd reason.

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But cities like Concord are, So we're working through that.

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So, we do think we may

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we have some workarounds, especially since this is a regional project.

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So we do think we're still going to be eligible, as of right now,

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looking at the face, we're not.

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However, we are working with the, grant administrators,

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and they're trying to help us

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because they like the idea, our project, and it goes towards the project.

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So what I'm asking for is permission to apply for a,

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so just apply for the grant.

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Yes. What I'm asking for is just permission to do that.

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Any commitments?

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No commitments.

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And. Well, what is can you kind of explain at a high level

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and around the region the job. Sure.

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So as we know,

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staffing among all emergency responders

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nationwide is is a significant issue, especially here in New Hampshire.

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We've definitely been dealing with here in Goffstown.

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So we're trying to go to

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is more of a regional approach that a lot of other states have gone to.

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We want to look at some options with that, and there's

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a lot of stakeholder involvement to get something like that done.

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Because especially here in New Hampshire,

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so much of what we do is, is local based local control.

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And it's going to take a lot

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for people to get in the mindset of if they want to

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use resources more efficiently

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and save money over the long term, that we need to start looking

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at these out of the box ideas and changing the way things that have been done.

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As you and I have talked about before, is this town relied

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so much on our volunteers for a very long time,

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and we're very successful in doing that

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a lot longer than most communities in the state.

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And there are a lot of towns struggling right now to, to get resources.

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And we want to use our resources the best we can.

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As I came in when I applied for this position

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as a resident, I want to try to find as many opportunities

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for us to decrease our taxes and use our resources efficiently.

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This is one of those ideas.

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So this would like almost create like a county level fire

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or it's what the project is going to do

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is look at what options do we have and what are the pluses and minuses.

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The grant project I'm proposing would do a study

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and that study audience would actually be this board,

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as well as other boards in the area and the communities that we serve.

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It wouldn't be towards us.

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So the what I've seen is similar studies

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before is, hey, here's 4 or 5 different options.

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Here's the pluses and minuses of those, as well as the steps

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that you would need to do in order to enact it.

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And how it worked from there.

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And I was just having a conversation

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before with another peer is a lot of this is

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if we're looking at decreasing costs,

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we need to let go of a little control and go to a regional system.

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And that's really tough for some people.

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Yeah, it may not be reducing costs more, spreading it out amongst communities

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that so that's that's the thing is like we've seen in the we had that

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five year span right of just the fire trucks 28% increase over five years.

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Yeah. Absolutely insane. So does

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our area really need that many in total?

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That's the question I want to see your answer.

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Cool.

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Any other questions?

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Okay.

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Now motion.

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Make a motion.

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For, allowing, the chief,

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to partake and, apply for the grant.

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They would have fun to study the Sherman alternative VMs,

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service models for a region. Second.

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Okay.

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Motion by George, second by Mark.

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Any other comments?

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In favor?

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I, like opposed.

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All right.

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Having.

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Ken, the police chief

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do the highway safety recommendations in seven minutes.

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Okay.

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He's got it.

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What do you want to.

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Yeah, whatever your attempts.

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Seven.

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Good evening everyone.

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Happy Monday.

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I'm here to present the,

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June 10th highway safety.

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Committees.

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Recommendations.

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So we had two that we talked about, up front.

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The first one we had was,

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a parking complaint on Norman Road at the bottom of the hill closest

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to South Mass involving, parking with the Goffstown junior baseball.

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The highway safety committee took a look at it.

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We did recognize that during

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baseball season, typically on Sundays, sometimes on some Saturdays,

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there is multiple, cars parking on both sides of normal road.

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We decided as a committee not to take any action on that,

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as instead of putting on no parking on each side of the road,

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we decided that I have the power just to put a temporary no parking

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sign up there, which we did, which curb those people from,

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parking on that side, which basically the board, the Goffstown

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Junior Baseball Board put out another email saying, just don't park there.

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And they basically everybody kind of went on the other side of the street

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and hasn't been a problem sets.

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So our plan would be to, during that first couple of months of baseball season,

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to let them know, to continue to kind of help with the ease

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of parking on both sides,

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that we can be quick, does little quick signs in there without changing town laws,

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without going through a follow up hearing it just a quick thing we can do.

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So the Highway Safety Committee decided to take no action on that.

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Any questions for the chief?

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Okay.

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Entertain a motion on that one.

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I'll make a motion that we take

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no action on the Norman Road.

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Go to town.

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Junior baseball fields.

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Your second, second

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motion by Mark, second by Allison.

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All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

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Okay. All right.

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The next one came from a resident up on the area of,

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Shirley Hill, by Brian Road.

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There's a significant curve up there.

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His concern was that on one side of the curve coming up the hill,

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there is a, a basically a shop curve sign ahead and some chevrons.

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But on the other side there wasn't we took a look at it.

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I do agree with him.

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We probably should have some indicating signs on the other side of it.

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Closer to Bryan Road,

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you know, letting, motorists know that there's a sharp curve coming up.

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We also recognize that there probably should be

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some more Chevron signs closer to that side that as you're coming down,

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you see those Chevron signs turning, to alert motorists.

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Incidentally, we've had more accidents, on the other side coming up the hill,

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crashing down there in the past with all the signs, not the other way,

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but I still think that it should be, well, posted.

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The other conversation we had is highway safety was, you'll see in the memo here

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a ball band test.

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That is a way that highway can go out and they can do what's called balancing test.

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They have this little ball that tells you a recommended speed for the curve,

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and that's the only way we can put out a recommended speed, because the, the,

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person requested to have a recommended speed to slow down.

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So highway safety recommended putting the Chevron signs the other 90

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degree or sharp curve ahead sign, and then authorizing,

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DPW to go out and do a ball bank to see if we should put a reduce speed.

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Sign up there. So there may be a follow on.

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So if what we I would ask if we make that recommendation

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is if the ball bank does show that there should be a sign

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that says reduced to like 15 or 20, that you allow DPW to put that on there.

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So we can just kind of put this one be done with it.

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Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir.

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I'll make a motion, to direct DPW to conduct a ball bank test

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and add two chevrons to the curve as well as, authorize,

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both, the chief and DPW to,

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put the recommended speed in there off of the ball.

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Thank test. Perfect.

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Second.

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Okay. Motion by George, second by Mark.

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Any further comments? Questions?

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Okay. Hearing none. Okay. All in favor?

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Opposed?

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Hi, Sam. It

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63 minutes.

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Thank you.

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What else can we get done in three minutes?

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What you might want to do is, invite the fire chief back up.

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He can get the background on.

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Okay, we can get the grant.

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And and then you could open up the public hearing for it, because it sounds great.

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Jeff.

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Musical chairs coming back.

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Evening.

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So tonight we have the public comment for acceptance of the grant.

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$250,000,

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for towards the replacement of our fire engine, which is already

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slated to be replaced, that you have already proved to be replaced

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for the grant itself

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comes from the Volkswagen,

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lawsuit.

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And that's where the funds are, at the state level.

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And towns apply for it to basically,

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make their fleet cleaner, more efficient.

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So that's what it does.

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The big catch with this grant is that the vehicle has to be scrapped.

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The engine has to be scrapped, at the end.

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So you're seeing the terms conditions.

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The frame has to be cut, the engine has to be drilled.

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But we weren't planning on it

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giving it to another department anyway, when it when it's done.

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The reason again, just to keep you guys in

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the loop is we applied for two separate grants for this.

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The other one that the state, has money for through the years,

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was very similar to it,

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but because of the time frame of how long it takes to build the trucks,

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that we were not able to get within that window.

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And we are at the maximum, for that window right now.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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You and anyone here for public comment on, on the, Hampshire

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Volkswagen Environmental Mitigation Trust grant application?

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Okay.

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Hearing no one, or seeing no one,

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I will close the public hearing,

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and, we can vote on that tonight, correct?

264
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Yes. Okay.

265
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I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion to accept and expend

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unanticipated funds pursuant to RSA 3195,

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totaling $250,000.00 from the state of New Hampshire Department of Environmental

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Services, New Hampshire, Volkswagen Environmental Mitigation Trust,

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Granite State Clean Fleet Grant number NH, VW

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202601007.

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To be used to reduce diesel emissions by replacing the Town of Boston's 2000

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and 5E1 fire engine, noting the total cost of this project

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will be 1,090,979,

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which the town will be responsible for a 20% match, which is 840,979.

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Second okay motion by Allison, seconded by Richard.

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Any further comments?

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Okay. All in favor?

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All right.

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Those

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guys have it.

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Thank you, thank you.

283
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Now we have,

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community Development block grant project

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from Middleville.

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And, that's open for public hearing.

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This one is broken up into three public hearings.

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Three parts, correct? Yes.

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And you have a pretty specific,

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language in your packet at page six.

291
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Yeah.

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That, unfortunately, the board really shouldn't read

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all, and open it for public comment on the three different items

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so help satisfy the application process when it goes to this, city effort.

295
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Okay.

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This public outreach, if you want,

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but I have to ask you to wait until 620, because that's what it's in the paper.

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Yeah.

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So can we do something else for a minute about it?

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So it does say 620.

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If you'd like, I can do, consent agenda.

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Yeah.

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So with ten, eight C.

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So in your consent agenda,

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you have employee status reports, you have,

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full time, patrol officer successful end of probationary period.

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You have a new hire of a patrol officer, you have a resignation

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of a master control officer, and you have a resignation of a full time

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dispatcher and, firefighter.

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We had a successful and a probationary period and resignation.

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Public works, you have a full time scale house operator, a full time truck driver,

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and full time heavy equipment operator all receiving their way.

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Master differential earned the collective bargaining agreement.

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Parks and rec give a lifeguard to seasonal new hire.

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You have, event permits for our craft vendor

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fair on August 15th, 2026.

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From 10 to 1. That's the Bel Air Nursing home.

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You also have a deposit voucher for the grass

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for Town Hall restoration Fund in the amount of $20.

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And then you have an off cycle betterment assessment.

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This is for the Bench Wilderness Park drinking water

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project in the amount of $579.15.

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Okay.

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You can make a motion to approve the consensus agenda

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as presented this evening.

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Second motion by Mark. Second by Allison.

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Any comments?

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All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

329
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All I have,

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I guess one other one.

331
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We can make about four minutes at tab eight b,

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you have a proposed memorandum of understanding

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between the town and the friends of the Goffstown Rail Trail.

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So the Village Bridge ad

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hoc committee has been working with the friends of the Ghost Town Rail Trail.

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And this is something that this board directed them

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to do as part of the revised charter, what you directed

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and do as part of the revised charter was to develop a memorandum of

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understanding between Friends of Crosstown Rail Trail

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and the town to clearly define responsibilities, procedures

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and accountability regarding funds and pledges.

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You have a copy of that,

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proposed memorandum in your packet.

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Be happy to answer any questions board members might have this evening.

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And what I'm seeking is,

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do you want to move forward with this and send it?

347
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So I would recommend sending this to the town attorney for review.

348
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And suggestion revisions.

349
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Any questions?

350
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Where's the pedestrian bridge that they're talking about or where would it be?

351
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Where the old, railroad bridge.

352
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Right next to Main Street, between Rotary Park

353
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and the bridge abutment, over the river.

354
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Where the two

355
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you'll see on both ends, the granite blocks are set up.

356
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Go ahead. We'll go from there.

357
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So the end of the rail trail, you kind of see.

358
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Gotcha.

359
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Okay.

360
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This is only for the online I was looking at there.

361
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So this would be for all fundraising not designated for the bridge.

362
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Basically, the friends of the Goffstown Rail Trail would be the 501,

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C3, accepting those grants and holding those.

364
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And then it also talks about, procedure of what would happen if the Select board

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decided to cease all activities related to, this fundraising project.

366
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So even if they're raising towards

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the, the bridge,

368
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they're going to deduct administrative fees

369
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at 50%, right? Yes.

370
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Well, sufficient funds to cover

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50% of administrative expenses. So.

372
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So that would be their their post office box fees,

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governmental filing fees, their website fees,

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and then correspondence directly

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related to this agreement.

376
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If you're just looking for a motion for us to send it to them to come. Yes.

377
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Or if there's anything in here that could be concerns about,

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we can bring it back to the bridge committee,

379
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how would it be covering like the 20% requirement that we have put out?

380
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Does that need to come from the town for the Tap grant?

381
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So the Tap grant, that was the whole idea was to work

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with Friends of Goffstown Rail Trail to start collecting those funds

383
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between now and four years from now, when that grant opens up again.

384
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And, that's what, that 20%.

385
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Yeah.

386
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So that's what we need to make sure that there's a good fiduciary hand off

387
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and how that occurs.

388
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So that's probably where the attorney would come in. Yes.

389
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To understand if we need some sort of like another accounts. Yes.

390
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That up here okay. Yeah.

391
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So I'll make a motion to have this reviewed

392
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by the town attorney and give us guidance on how this would work

393
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with the Tap grant and for paying for the bridge.

394
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And, should we want to tap for it

395
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second.

396
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Okay.

397
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Motion by Josh, second by Mark.

398
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Any other comments? Questions?

399
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All in favor?

400
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Opposed?

401
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You guys have it.

402
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Okay. Now,

403
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go to tab six.

404
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The like reading

405
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love to.

406
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Okay.

407
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You can open the first public hearing I will read to you.

408
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You can just state your name and your address for the record.

409
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Donna Lane Madison, new Hampshire, Cdbg consulting.

410
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Okay, this is not your first rodeo.

411
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Okay.

412
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Okay.

413
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You will have you open the first one on the proposed application, right.

414
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Read from,

415
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Community Development Block

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grant funds from that paragraph.

417
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I think she wants you to read this one.

418
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,867
Oh, you're opening the.

419
00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:07,867
Oh, I thought I did. Okay.

420
00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:08,900
Okay.

421
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First, I'm opening the public hearing on the proposed infrastructure

422
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improvements at Meadville Cooperative Cdbg application.

423
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Thank you.

424
00:22:17,734 --> 00:22:20,734
Okay, so there are handouts available here if anyone's interested.

425
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A Community Development Block grant funds are available to

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the New Hampshire Community Development Finance Authority.

427
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Up to $500,000 is available for economic development projects,

428
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up to $1 million in supportive housing projects, up to 750,000

429
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for housing projects, up to 750,000 for public facility projects,

430
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up to $500,000 in emergency funds, and up to $25,000 per planning

431
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study grant. All projects must directly benefit

432
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a majority of low and moderate income persons.

433
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This is a proposed application to the Community Development Finance

434
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Authority for up to 750,000, and so Cdbg public facility funds.

435
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Of the grant funds, up to 35,000 will will be retained

436
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for administrative and procurement and labor compliance costs,

437
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and the remainder will be granted to Meadville Cooperative, a 301

438
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unit manufactured housing park located at Donald Drive in Goffstown.

439
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,533
It was cost of sewer, septic and or water infrastructure and

440
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infrastructure improvements.

441
00:23:23,033 --> 00:23:26,967
This project conforms with Boston's proposed Housing Community Development

442
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Plan goal of encourage municipal and private water

443
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and wastewater systems that are safe, sanitary and meet these regulations.

444
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Thank you, thank you.

445
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,300
Is there anyone here? Anyone have public comments?

446
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:43,734
On what was just read this part of the grant application

447
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and you want to come up on.

448
00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:54,734
You get up for now.

449
00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:57,734
You can. Okay? Okay.

450
00:23:57,834 --> 00:23:58,667
Good evening. Folks.

451
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I have to emphasize here that I'm speaking both as an individual

452
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and a resident for now, eight years of the Meadowbrook community.

453
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:13,567
And I just wanted to we emphasized to the board the importance of this grant

454
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to the future viability

455
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000
of Meadville as a community

456
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and as a source of affordable housing for seniors,

457
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and, I might add, unsubsidized

458
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affordable housing for seniors.

459
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,367
Mayville was built about 40 years ago,

460
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shall we say, that plumbing, building codes and things

461
00:24:40,634 --> 00:24:45,233
like that weren't, what they are now 40 years ago.

462
00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:49,767
And Meadville had a number of problems with both sewer

463
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and water infrastructure over the years.

464
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:55,433
We when I was on the board

465
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a couple of years back, we had a project that we studied.

466
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,900
Basically, it's a 10 or $11

467
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:07,300
million project to fix the sewer and water.

468
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,867
And for the structure, there's been multiple leaks.

469
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There have been multiple sewer problems.

470
00:25:15,066 --> 00:25:18,367
And since we only have 300 homes in the community,

471
00:25:18,367 --> 00:25:21,367
I think if you divide 10 or 11 million

472
00:25:21,433 --> 00:25:24,700
by 300, you come up with a pretty daunting number,

473
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which is why this grant funding is so important to us.

474
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,934
We've got long term plans to fix this roof

475
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cover, basically the first phase of it.

476
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,467
We may be back in a few years or more funding for the next phase,

477
00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:52,000
but again, I just wish to emphasize the benefits, particularly in the current

478
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housing situation.

479
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,200
We all know the runaway housing prices

480
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or lack of affordable housing.

481
00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:03,333
You know, the fact that you have

482
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probably some seniors who are,

483
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trapped in big homes because they can't afford to move anywhere else.

484
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Again, I think,

485
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I would just as for the town support in it,

486
00:26:18,066 --> 00:26:22,500
this is something that doesn't affect anyone's taxes.

487
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,166
I would just emphasize to Meadville

488
00:26:27,066 --> 00:26:29,667
plows its home roads, picks up its own

489
00:26:29,667 --> 00:26:32,667
trash, does its own maintenance, and

490
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puts no children in the school system

491
00:26:35,867 --> 00:26:39,066
so there is no municipal burden involved.

492
00:26:39,066 --> 00:26:42,900
Also, I o you know, given given all of that, I would just hope

493
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that the board would think it would be a prudent decision

494
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to pass on this grant.

495
00:26:49,266 --> 00:26:52,767
Well, would you would you give you a name and your address, please?

496
00:26:52,767 --> 00:26:55,734
For the record, Leonard Stewart,

497
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42 River Ledge Drive,

498
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and that is in the Manville development.

499
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:01,767
Thank you.

500
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,700
Thank you.

501
00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:08,400
Anyone else?

502
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,400
Comments?

503
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:13,333
Okay.

504
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:16,867
Hearing none, I will close, that portion of the public

505
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hearing, that public hearing,

506
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okay.

507
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,133
And I will open the public hearing on the residential Anti

508
00:27:24,133 --> 00:27:28,066
displacement and Relocation Assistance plan for the proposed

509
00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:32,166
infrastructure improvements at Meadville Cooperation Cooperative project.

510
00:27:33,233 --> 00:27:36,266
This plan outlines measures under the Uniform Relocation

511
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Act required for Cdbg projects that involve any displacement

512
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,100
or relocation of persons or businesses if the town or to undertake a Cdbg project

513
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,467
which involved displacement or relocation, they would follow this plan.

514
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,967
The plan outlines the measures they would take to find comparable

515
00:27:51,967 --> 00:27:55,634
suitable housing for persons or businesses displaced or relocated.

516
00:27:55,967 --> 00:27:59,266
This project does not anticipate displacement or relocation

517
00:27:59,266 --> 00:28:02,834
as the improvements are for water, septic, sewer infrastructure in the park.

518
00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:05,834
This is a required plan that has been adopted

519
00:28:05,834 --> 00:28:08,567
every time you asked for Cdbg funds, even though it's

520
00:28:08,567 --> 00:28:12,467
not applicable to our project and you have adopted it in the past.

521
00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:14,000
When you've asked for Cdbg funds.

522
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Okay, anyone

523
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,533
on comment, any comments?

524
00:28:22,266 --> 00:28:24,367
I have a question.

525
00:28:24,367 --> 00:28:27,133
So you're stating that if some of them were to become relocated,

526
00:28:27,133 --> 00:28:29,867
then the town would be responsible for placing them someplace else.

527
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:31,233
So my understanding,

528
00:28:31,233 --> 00:28:34,100
if a different kind of if we were doing a different kind of project,

529
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,266
they were rehabbing, a building and those people are being displaced

530
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:39,100
for a little bit

531
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:43,266
while we fix their apartments, then we'd have to build into the Cdbg budget,

532
00:28:44,133 --> 00:28:48,000
a budget for moving them around, and it's not costing them anything.

533
00:28:48,367 --> 00:28:52,300
So if we use a Cdbg funds for a project, we have to follow a Uniform

534
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,600
Relocation Act.

535
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,200
This is water sewer, not displacing or relocating

536
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200
anybody, but on a different project it might matter.

537
00:28:59,567 --> 00:29:03,000
So if there's a major failure in the sewer or the water line, what happens then?

538
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,033
Well, we have insurance and stuff like that.

539
00:29:06,033 --> 00:29:06,667
We pull in.

540
00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:11,667
But, if while we're doing it, it have to be the contractor hit something

541
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:15,834
and we either figure it out and make do, or we bring in water lines

542
00:29:15,834 --> 00:29:18,634
or bring in bottled water or something like that. We have.

543
00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:21,033
I mean, I can't I've been doing these for 40 years.

544
00:29:21,033 --> 00:29:25,700
We've never had anybody move out because we broke something and we break things.

545
00:29:26,133 --> 00:29:27,934
You know, we tend to break things.

546
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,900
But the, the project has to undertake that left town.

547
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,634
Right? The town is the one who's getting the grant.

548
00:29:34,634 --> 00:29:37,634
But it would come out of the grant or the project.

549
00:29:38,367 --> 00:29:41,133
That's.

550
00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:43,433
Okay.

551
00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:43,900
That's it.

552
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,900
Then I will close, that section of the public hearing

553
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,900
and I will open the last one,

554
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,900
the public hearing on the proposed updated Housing

555
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,900
and Community Development plan.

556
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,133
So the last time you had a housing community

557
00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:00,834
development plan was quite a while ago.

558
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,634
So it's probably a singles though.

559
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:03,634
A housing community

560
00:30:03,634 --> 00:30:07,467
development plan is required to be eligible to apply for Cdbg funds.

561
00:30:07,467 --> 00:30:10,767
The proposed Housing Community Development Plan identifies needs

562
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:14,433
which currently exist or are anticipated during the next three years.

563
00:30:14,767 --> 00:30:17,533
The plan provides a basis for guiding the town's housing

564
00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:20,400
and community development objectives and actions.

565
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,000
In addition, the proposed plan includes the Cdbg Citizen Participation Plan

566
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,467
that details the Cdbg requirements for public hearings.

567
00:30:28,967 --> 00:30:31,734
So these are the goals that are in the proposed plan.

568
00:30:31,734 --> 00:30:34,533
Encourage your buried stocks of safe, sanitary, decent,

569
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:37,367
affordable housing for persons of all age and income groups.

570
00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:38,867
Encourage economic development

571
00:30:38,867 --> 00:30:42,533
activities to increase quality industrial and commercial development.

572
00:30:42,867 --> 00:30:47,000
Encourage the expansion and retention of employment opportunities for residents.

573
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,533
Encourage municipal and private water

574
00:30:49,533 --> 00:30:51,634
and wastewater systems that are safe sanitary.

575
00:30:51,634 --> 00:30:53,467
Meet these regulations.

576
00:30:53,467 --> 00:30:55,567
Preserve and promote the town's historically

577
00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:59,934
and culturally significant structures, promote activities that protect the health

578
00:30:59,934 --> 00:31:03,500
and safety of the residents and visitors for adequate health,

579
00:31:03,734 --> 00:31:06,700
social services, recreational and social interaction

580
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,734
services, and opportunities for residents and visitors.

581
00:31:10,066 --> 00:31:13,667
So you need a housing community development plan to apply for Cdbg funds,

582
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,834
and you haven't had one that I know of for quite a while, I think.

583
00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:21,533
What was the date we had on the last fall in 2007 or 2?

584
00:31:21,767 --> 00:31:27,266
Yeah, which was probably almost identical to this proposed one, except for Cdphe

585
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,667
has come out with that template, which now includes a citizen participation plan,

586
00:31:31,667 --> 00:31:33,500
which talks about how we have a public hearing

587
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,667
before we apply and if we get funded, we have a public

588
00:31:36,667 --> 00:31:39,734
hearing during the project to update the public on the progress.

589
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,567
Okay.

590
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:46,500
Would anyone, anyone here to, testify on this portion of the,

591
00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:50,767
grant project?

592
00:31:51,667 --> 00:31:52,200
Okay.

593
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,100
Seeing none. Hearing none.

594
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,500
I we'll close the public hearing, before you leave,

595
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,066
I like to ask one more question.

596
00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:02,266
Yeah.

597
00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:07,400
Last time you're here, you mentioned that, alone as well. Yes.

598
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,400
How does that work? In conjunction with the grant.

599
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,967
Well, the project is a couple of million dollars, but

600
00:32:12,967 --> 00:32:16,367
so Cdbg is part of the grant.

601
00:32:16,734 --> 00:32:21,100
And then does is I think it is at $1.6 million loan

602
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,533
and $200,000 grant, $400,000 grant.

603
00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:28,400
So they all part of the project cost.

604
00:32:29,133 --> 00:32:30,834
Who's taking out the loan?

605
00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:31,634
The park.

606
00:32:31,634 --> 00:32:36,266
The park is taking off of them and there's no backing of us based upon this grant.

607
00:32:36,266 --> 00:32:39,934
So no responsibility to the town in any shape or form on the on the loan?

608
00:32:40,033 --> 00:32:45,467
No, the loan is between them and yes, what Cdbg is, they can't apply for Cdbg.

609
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,100
They can go straight to DSS and do it right.

610
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:49,200
Okay. The two of them.

611
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,834
But unfortunately you have to go through the town for Cdbg.

612
00:32:51,834 --> 00:32:53,634
But this is just a grant.

613
00:32:53,634 --> 00:32:56,100
And the grant just a portion of the overall project.

614
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,533
What happens if you don't get the other grant and the other loan?

615
00:32:59,867 --> 00:33:02,433
Then everything gets put on hold and we do it again later,

616
00:33:02,433 --> 00:33:05,400
so you won't be able to do anything even with the 750 K?

617
00:33:05,433 --> 00:33:10,000
No, because it's not enough to do if it would be deemed insufficient funding.

618
00:33:10,667 --> 00:33:13,667
We know, we know about, but they already have preliminary.

619
00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:16,300
We've been approved. Sorry.

620
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:21,033
We've been approved for, by groundwater trust fund.

621
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:25,300
They're doing all the financial piece of it right now.

622
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,233
We've already been approved.

623
00:33:26,233 --> 00:33:29,233
It doesn't need final

624
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,400
approval by governor and Executive council,

625
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,400
which is basically all of the yes has to go through them.

626
00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,233
So what happens is,

627
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:41,667
is that they are finishing their financial review of our community.

628
00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:44,934
And when they finish that, then they'll take it to the governance Council.

629
00:33:44,934 --> 00:33:49,400
My expectation is that it's going to be in August and they're August 11th, 2018.

630
00:33:50,467 --> 00:33:53,667
So we the groundwater councilman has approved it already.

631
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,133
So the funds are there.

632
00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:57,033
They just need it.

633
00:33:57,033 --> 00:33:58,333
They don't have the final approval.

634
00:33:58,333 --> 00:33:59,934
They have the pre-approval already.

635
00:33:59,934 --> 00:34:03,400
So I mean, oftentimes we go in and we don't even have that.

636
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,333
They're pretty far advanced here.

637
00:34:05,333 --> 00:34:08,333
But what they've done.

638
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,800
So since you've basically testified,

639
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,533
would you just give us your name and your address?

640
00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:13,367
Grace. It's okay.

641
00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:14,800
For the record, it's Kim Capon.

642
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,900
I added the 1500 wind gust.

643
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,900
Now, it might be a thank you.

644
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:24,266
Okay.

645
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:25,734
If you so desire,

646
00:34:25,734 --> 00:34:28,734
we can take this up in three votes.

647
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,734
If anyone wants to make

648
00:34:31,734 --> 00:34:34,734
a motion on the first part.

649
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,200
Make a motion to selectman.

650
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,467
Wise, that sounds like my vote to approve on.

651
00:34:42,533 --> 00:34:43,834
Okay, but to approve the submittal

652
00:34:43,834 --> 00:34:48,333
of the Melville Club infrastructure Improvement Cdbg application and vote

653
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:52,400
to authorize the town administrator to sign and submit the Cdbg application.

654
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,600
And upon approval of the c dbg application, authorize the Town

655
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,900
Administrator to execute any documents which may be necessary

656
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:04,200
to effectuate the Cdbg contract and any amendments thereto.

657
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,934
I'll second that.

658
00:35:06,934 --> 00:35:09,800
Okay. Motion by Allison, second by Josh.

659
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,900
All in favor?

660
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,867
I paused, okay, I have it.

661
00:35:14,734 --> 00:35:19,066
Second motion selectmen vote to adopt the Anti Displacement and Relocation

662
00:35:19,066 --> 00:35:23,066
Assistance plan for the Manville Co-op Infrastructure Improvements Project.

663
00:35:23,934 --> 00:35:25,600
Second

664
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,634
motion by Allison, second by Josh.

665
00:35:27,634 --> 00:35:28,800
All in favor?

666
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,400
Aye. Opposed I have it.

667
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,000
And lastly, selectmen

668
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
vote to adopt the updated Housing and Community Development Plan.

669
00:35:36,967 --> 00:35:38,967
Second.

670
00:35:38,967 --> 00:35:39,133
Okay.

671
00:35:39,133 --> 00:35:42,100
Motion by Allison, second by Josh. All in favor?

672
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,900
All right.

673
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,000
Opposed?

674
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,734
Ayes have it. Okay. Thank you.

675
00:35:46,734 --> 00:35:48,200
Is it possible to get an update?

676
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,066
You guys do finalize to let us know that you're all approved.

677
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:54,066
Oh. We'll do. Thank you.

678
00:35:54,066 --> 00:35:57,066
Okay.

679
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,033
Okay.

680
00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:01,266
I guess now we can do the department heads.

681
00:36:01,266 --> 00:36:01,600
Okay.

682
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Got time?

683
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:11,166
Yeah.

684
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:12,433
Okay, let's.

685
00:36:12,433 --> 00:36:13,433
I know by myself.

686
00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:17,834
So. I think.

687
00:36:29,834 --> 00:36:30,266
Are you.

688
00:36:30,266 --> 00:36:33,266
I just think I just want.

689
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,100
Something.

690
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,100
So just on the phone.

691
00:36:42,667 --> 00:36:45,700
Okay.

692
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,166
Okay.

693
00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:49,100
You want to follow it the way it is in the packet?

694
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:49,967
Sure, sure.

695
00:36:49,967 --> 00:36:53,900
So the first page on page one of your packet of tab four,

696
00:36:54,433 --> 00:36:58,066
we've just got a summary of the general fund, revenues,

697
00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:01,166
through quarter two.

698
00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:03,900
Good news is motor vehicle fees are on track.

699
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,900
So those are, looking very good.

700
00:37:07,033 --> 00:37:10,433
We are lagging a little bit on interest, on investments.

701
00:37:10,433 --> 00:37:15,200
But we'll see a little bit of a bump here now that, property taxes have come

702
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,033
in, treasurer does a very good job of of moving those over into some of our,

703
00:37:19,333 --> 00:37:22,300
higher interest, accounts,

704
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,333
similar to a quarter one, building zoning,

705
00:37:25,767 --> 00:37:29,100
planning, revenues are, considerably down.

706
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,533
We've seen a lot fewer applications for site plan for subdivisions.

707
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,300
And our building permit applications are way down.

708
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,600
So I think that's closer to 25% of what we,

709
00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,166
budgeted for.

710
00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:45,333
And then the only other notable thing that,

711
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:48,533
finance is working with Adam on solid waste revenue.

712
00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:53,166
As you'll recall, there was a $3.50 cent per ton surcharge

713
00:37:53,533 --> 00:37:56,567
on on all solid waste taken to landfills.

714
00:37:56,967 --> 00:38:00,500
And DDS just opened the portal to start.

715
00:38:00,767 --> 00:38:02,233
Seeking reimbursement for that.

716
00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:05,433
So, Zach and Adam have been communicating on that.

717
00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:08,667
So, so with that, we know about how much that'll be.

718
00:38:10,533 --> 00:38:12,667
I think we got $22.

719
00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:15,400
I think we budgeted 21,000, but it's on

720
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,734
actual tonnage that's taken, taken there.

721
00:38:18,734 --> 00:38:21,734
So we can we'll probably have a better idea,

722
00:38:22,233 --> 00:38:25,066
as we approach, budget season.

723
00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:26,834
So just for clarity, all the zoning changes

724
00:38:26,834 --> 00:38:29,133
that we've had seen from the state have not increased

725
00:38:29,133 --> 00:38:32,400
the number of houses that were built it just yet.

726
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,233
We're just seeing, some fewer applications.

727
00:38:35,233 --> 00:38:38,133
We those are going to pick up, Acorn Drive.

728
00:38:38,133 --> 00:38:41,367
They have basically put that road in and we expect to

729
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:44,467
they're going to start pulling permits, near the end of the year,

730
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:47,634
but mostly in 2027 for that, those 46 units.

731
00:38:47,634 --> 00:38:50,900
So we got a few others that are in flight, but no new request.

732
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:53,066
I haven't really seen a lot of come through planning board either.

733
00:38:53,066 --> 00:38:53,867
Correct.

734
00:38:53,867 --> 00:38:57,233
So mainly because of interest rates we think, or

735
00:38:58,300 --> 00:38:58,967
just generally.

736
00:38:58,967 --> 00:39:01,967
Yeah, yeah.

737
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,867
So that's the revenues,

738
00:39:04,867 --> 00:39:09,634
on the, expenditures, if you'd like, we can find it out department

739
00:39:09,634 --> 00:39:10,533
by department.

740
00:39:10,533 --> 00:39:16,000
So, everything's looking good in, town hall and admin.

741
00:39:16,367 --> 00:39:22,033
We currently have two vacant positions, but we've been advertising that position,

742
00:39:22,033 --> 00:39:23,600
both positions for two weeks,

743
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,200
so we're going to be setting up interviews, next at the beginning

744
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,066
of next week with the hopes of bringing a candidate forward.

745
00:39:31,433 --> 00:39:34,433
Your next meeting, for those two positions.

746
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,767
So, we have been

747
00:39:37,767 --> 00:39:39,000
one of the changes that we did

748
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,700
do this year is, in the past, if somebody worked overtime,

749
00:39:43,033 --> 00:39:46,700
we have reclassify that and put it back into the full time wages line.

750
00:39:47,266 --> 00:39:49,333
We've actually left that in the overtime line.

751
00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:54,000
So, that we can actually see, what the effect of, we've had

752
00:39:55,066 --> 00:39:58,333
3 or 4 short term disabilities and we've had a,

753
00:39:58,333 --> 00:40:01,333
we've had quite a few, surgeries in town all this year.

754
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:06,600
So, a lot of people are pulling some extra hours to get, the necessary tasks done.

755
00:40:07,567 --> 00:40:12,233
As you see, admin legal services were almost 100% expended at this point.

756
00:40:12,233 --> 00:40:16,634
But, we are well under involved planning and zoning in assessing

757
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:20,900
so what we budget for legal throughout, town hall.

758
00:40:20,934 --> 00:40:22,300
We're doing very good.

759
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,867
And then facility lines were going to be probably

760
00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:27,867
a little bit high this year.

761
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:31,333
Specifically, we've got some unplanned, maintenance projects.

762
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:34,667
We have some soffit, repairs that need to be done on the front half,

763
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,100
and then the, Hvac for where I.

764
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:39,767
That serves our server room.

765
00:40:39,767 --> 00:40:41,433
We're in need some significant repairs there.

766
00:40:41,433 --> 00:40:45,600
So we're looking pricing those out right now and we'll be moving forward.

767
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:47,767
So we don't have estimates or ballparks.

768
00:40:47,767 --> 00:40:48,300
Not yet.

769
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,166
No, we haven't completed, getting all the estimates. So

770
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:53,634
so that's pretty much,

771
00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:57,100
nothing really noteworthy for, for town hall.

772
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,200
At this point.

773
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,033
And then on the insurance side, when you did the default,

774
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:08,233
reallocation, we put it back to your original, request.

775
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,500
As you may recall, the Budget Committee cut funds out of that.

776
00:41:11,834 --> 00:41:14,567
So we did not return it, to that proposed amount.

777
00:41:14,567 --> 00:41:18,967
We checked it's going to be about $175,000.

778
00:41:18,967 --> 00:41:22,400
Underspend in that line, that you could,

779
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:27,300
and that's mostly due to turnover or people, changing plans.

780
00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:31,900
Now it's hard to predict exactly what's going to happen

781
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:36,700
because, it seems like we're having a lot of babies, different departments,

782
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:40,333
and people know we're about, you know, a two person plan to a family. But,

783
00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:45,367
but, we'll see what quarter three and quarter four progressed.

784
00:41:45,367 --> 00:41:48,834
But we feel pretty confident that you're going to have that underspend this year.

785
00:41:49,967 --> 00:41:52,000
How much do they cut that by four.

786
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,867
However, it was about that.

787
00:41:53,867 --> 00:41:58,500
It was about that much I think it's something like 200,000 or 55.

788
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,767
Yeah. 275 they cut it by Emily.

789
00:42:01,767 --> 00:42:03,700
So I have to double check the exact number.

790
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:06,233
Yeah. It'd be interesting to know how far off we were from it.

791
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:09,467
And, with this projection, we did.

792
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,900
If there's anything that we know as far as anybody

793
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,133
that's come forward talking about changes for later in the year,

794
00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:19,000
as well as, projections for anybody that is turning 26.

795
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:20,400
But of course, we're

796
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,400
doing our best on their assumptions, to which plans they're going to take.

797
00:42:23,934 --> 00:42:26,934
Okay.

798
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Thank Lisa's next.

799
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,033
Great.

800
00:42:31,033 --> 00:42:35,233
Well, my agency is one of the agencies having four babies this year.

801
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:36,200
I great.

802
00:42:37,233 --> 00:42:38,600
We're moving along.

803
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,934
Yeah, we're doing all right.

804
00:42:40,934 --> 00:42:44,634
Our budget is looking decent right now, but usually that's how it works

805
00:42:44,634 --> 00:42:45,667
in the first two quarters.

806
00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:49,567
As July comes around, we start to the pay increase to go for the union.

807
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,233
So we start to see that change, the overtime changes.

808
00:42:52,233 --> 00:42:53,300
The big things

809
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:56,567
that I'd like to point out, I put in the packet, we lost obviously,

810
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,500
the beginning this year, 35 year veteran

811
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:01,500
Kevin Laroche, who stayed out part time to help us with some transitioning,

812
00:43:01,533 --> 00:43:05,533
currently, staffing wise, we're down one patrol.

813
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:10,166
Who you guys has heard that, resign and went to a different police department?

814
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,433
We have one in the academy right now.

815
00:43:13,433 --> 00:43:14,467
One is in background.

816
00:43:14,467 --> 00:43:16,300
We're hiring them next week to fill that position.

817
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:18,166
So we're down two operational.

818
00:43:18,166 --> 00:43:18,700
We have one

819
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:22,200
that's due to retire this year and two next year that are going to retire.

820
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,333
So we're going to continue that recruitment and try to retain dispatch.

821
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:29,900
Well, we had one in background that we're looking to petition

822
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,800
to potentially give a conditional or a final offer.

823
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,834
We have one in training right now that's in the military.

824
00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:36,400
So that's kind of slowing things down.

825
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,233
But overall is doing pretty well.

826
00:43:38,233 --> 00:43:41,233
And then we have one that's we have one that's leaving.

827
00:43:41,567 --> 00:43:43,300
He's leaving, getting out of law enforcement,

828
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,967
dispatching all the other switching career.

829
00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:48,767
So we're going to be down two operational, maybe potentially three

830
00:43:49,066 --> 00:43:50,500
with the other one in training.

831
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,800
So we're still, we're doing our right,

832
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,266
but we're still talking a little bit behind. It's just an admin flow.

833
00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:58,333
As we as my my partner

834
00:43:58,333 --> 00:44:02,133
here, in the first responder land, we, we continue to try to get people to apply.

835
00:44:02,133 --> 00:44:05,567
It's, it's a difficult situation, but, we've had a couple interviews

836
00:44:05,634 --> 00:44:08,634
last week, so we're looking pretty good.

837
00:44:09,033 --> 00:44:12,734
Overall over time is tracking where we thank for patrol and dispatch.

838
00:44:12,734 --> 00:44:15,734
We're a little bit under, but I suspect that now,

839
00:44:15,734 --> 00:44:18,734
with this new opening in dispatch, we're going to see that go up a little bit.

840
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,433
Travel expenses.

841
00:44:20,433 --> 00:44:24,533
I put the same stats last quarter because, again, we had budgeted for four of

842
00:44:24,533 --> 00:44:29,133
us to go to Omaha for our, our hearing, which is coming up, two weeks.

843
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:32,467
Based on the fact that we're in default, we've change that to just

844
00:44:32,467 --> 00:44:33,533
the accreditation manager.

845
00:44:33,533 --> 00:44:35,133
Myself are going to go,

846
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:39,266
so that's probably going to track over slightly, the legal services

847
00:44:39,266 --> 00:44:41,200
and that's tracking over

848
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,200
that's due to personnel issues that you guys are aware of nonpublic.

849
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,600
And our bullet resistant vest, line,

850
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,200
as I mentioned in our budget presentation, we needed to buy at least 12.

851
00:44:51,734 --> 00:44:55,066
We got caught on that due to default, and we still have to provide 12 best

852
00:44:55,066 --> 00:44:58,533
to our, not to mention anybody else that'll be hiring this new.

853
00:44:58,567 --> 00:45:00,400
We still have to buy those vests and outfit them

854
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,634
because they're made specifically for those officers.

855
00:45:02,634 --> 00:45:06,266
So you'll see that track over and then in communications,

856
00:45:06,266 --> 00:45:08,500
our consulting services through, sensitive,

857
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,200
personnel issue that you're all aware of.

858
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,800
That's really where we're at.

859
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,634
According to how much for the vest again?

860
00:45:13,634 --> 00:45:18,700
There are roughly about 1500 bucks times 12.

861
00:45:19,033 --> 00:45:22,734
Yes, I think we're at 80 yet at to point.

862
00:45:22,734 --> 00:45:25,900
And somewhere right here it is. We were

863
00:45:26,934 --> 00:45:29,400
we were at 8500 this year and we're on it.

864
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,634
13,000.

865
00:45:30,634 --> 00:45:33,634
It's back.

866
00:45:33,967 --> 00:45:35,700
So you need another.

867
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,934
We're potentially so that would have

868
00:45:37,934 --> 00:45:41,333
that were outfitted the five that needed that are currently working.

869
00:45:41,734 --> 00:45:45,333
The other ones that we needed to the new officers that we hired

870
00:45:45,634 --> 00:45:49,800
the beginning of the year and potentially the two more that are coming in here

871
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,467
if we hire. So we're going to track pretty

872
00:45:52,467 --> 00:45:54,400
you already bought some or you need to buy them.

873
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,500
So when I budgeted for it last year, coming this year

874
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:01,133
we had to buy at least five for the five officers that were here.

875
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:04,533
And then we anticipated five transitioning.

876
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:07,533
So that was just about ten.

877
00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:10,800
So yeah, we we I think we had 12,000 budgeted for,

878
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,834
but we only we only with default 8500.

879
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,533
So currently we're at 13,000 expended.

880
00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:19,767
And that hits our mark.

881
00:46:19,767 --> 00:46:24,634
But I believe with that new person, if we have that person retire this year.

882
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:26,266
Yeah, we have to buy another one.

883
00:46:26,266 --> 00:46:27,600
Okay, so you already bought the vest.

884
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,367
You're over on that line right now. Yep.

885
00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:32,934
And just so the board is aware, and I believe Daniel

886
00:46:32,934 --> 00:46:35,967
could help me with this, but we do get an offsetting revenue,

887
00:46:36,033 --> 00:46:39,500
from the federal government they can provide us with.

888
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,767
I think it's a 50% match on the vest.

889
00:46:41,767 --> 00:46:45,133
So at the end of the year, we'll send that in and they'll.

890
00:46:45,433 --> 00:46:46,834
So we'll figure out where we're at on that.

891
00:46:46,834 --> 00:46:48,400
They'll give us it doesn't come back to that.

892
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,967
It's not back to the general fund, but it goes back to the general fund.

893
00:46:50,967 --> 00:46:53,934
So it'll be an offset of revenue to some degree. Okay.

894
00:46:53,934 --> 00:46:57,033
And that money sometimes dries up.

895
00:46:57,033 --> 00:46:59,400
So we're we've been pretty lucky lately to get it.

896
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,333
So if it's there it's there. If it's not it's not okay.

897
00:47:04,166 --> 00:47:04,700
It's just enough.

898
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:06,734
We need to transfer funds over to you know,

899
00:47:06,734 --> 00:47:08,600
I think right now we're doing all right.

900
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Okay.

901
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:14,800
Yeah.

902
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,834
We got any other questions from Chief?

903
00:47:18,166 --> 00:47:20,934
Okay.

904
00:47:20,934 --> 00:47:23,934
We're going to, the other chief

905
00:47:24,834 --> 00:47:27,800
here.

906
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,033
So I sent you a detailed, synopsis, but we are tracking in line

907
00:47:33,033 --> 00:47:37,433
with the percentage of the year we are expecting some overages,

908
00:47:38,667 --> 00:47:43,433
but we also have some underspend, which we're anticipating

909
00:47:44,467 --> 00:47:45,734
as far as personnel goes.

910
00:47:45,734 --> 00:47:48,734
We as of today, we have, one vacancy.

911
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,667
We expend we went through our eligibility list.

912
00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:55,367
So we have or boards coming up for applications,

913
00:47:56,333 --> 00:48:00,266
on the 17th, we are confident that we will be able to fill that spot.

914
00:48:00,266 --> 00:48:03,266
We also anticipate another,

915
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,300
person leaving here before the end of the year.

916
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,166
So we're hopefully we'll have at least two eligible that, we're looking at.

917
00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:14,800
So we think we're gonna be able to fill those spots rather quickly.

918
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,166
However, that still leaves us

919
00:48:17,166 --> 00:48:20,667
with a lot of our personnel information or within the first two years.

920
00:48:20,667 --> 00:48:24,000
So we have a very inexperienced department, spread out

921
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,467
through the two stations.

922
00:48:26,467 --> 00:48:28,800
So we're going to continue to work with that.

923
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,867
So, our call wages are a little bit over.

924
00:48:32,467 --> 00:48:36,266
Luckily, I call numbers have been, coming in for some shifts,

925
00:48:36,634 --> 00:48:37,333
getting some training.

926
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:41,867
So it's great to see, unfortunately, we're down to, seven actually, now six.

927
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,600
As of I received the resignation today.

928
00:48:45,834 --> 00:48:48,800
Again.

929
00:48:48,934 --> 00:48:51,166
So other stuff is overtime pay.

930
00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:53,667
We anticipate some savings in this line,

931
00:48:53,667 --> 00:48:57,066
professional dues because of the costs that also.

932
00:48:57,433 --> 00:49:01,166
We've talked about this before, but our regional hazmat team,

933
00:49:01,166 --> 00:49:05,767
those costs have not increased, I want to say, in 15 to 20 years.

934
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:10,500
So those costs are now going up and other departments are leaving

935
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,233
the region, which then decreases the amount of people paying into it.

936
00:49:14,233 --> 00:49:16,333
And the costs are still what they are.

937
00:49:16,333 --> 00:49:20,500
So that means the costs for each town sitting in it, is going up.

938
00:49:20,934 --> 00:49:23,900
So that's going to be a significant overage this year.

939
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:25,834
We're continuing to do that.

940
00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:28,300
To within that line, there's other expenses

941
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:31,600
for Hillsborough County fire wardens and board area mutual aid.

942
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,533
So we've dropped out of both of those agencies.

943
00:49:34,533 --> 00:49:35,834
To try to save some money. There,

944
00:49:37,634 --> 00:49:38,433
form expenses.

945
00:49:38,433 --> 00:49:41,033
Luckily, we had a wet spring. That was great.

946
00:49:41,033 --> 00:49:43,834
So we didn't have a lot of, wildland fires.

947
00:49:43,834 --> 00:49:45,100
For us to use foam.

948
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,467
So we have not expended any money out of that line to date.

949
00:49:48,834 --> 00:49:50,500
But we'll see what the fall goes.

950
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,500
Because the summers are starting to get a little dry now.

951
00:49:53,834 --> 00:49:56,166
Facility repairs.

952
00:49:56,166 --> 00:49:58,400
We have multiple projects going on there.

953
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,400
It's really just.

954
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Which is the worst problem right now for us to deal with.

955
00:50:04,767 --> 00:50:06,433
So we have,

956
00:50:06,433 --> 00:50:09,433
station one, roof leak, drain leak.

957
00:50:09,667 --> 00:50:12,867
We have a broken spigot at station two, which we actually have to get out to,

958
00:50:13,367 --> 00:50:16,066
wall infrastructure to replace,

959
00:50:16,066 --> 00:50:19,133
the windows over 62 or 20 years old.

960
00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:25,233
And they are holding them up, when they're trying to just use ventilation.

961
00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:25,767
They're trying to.

962
00:50:25,767 --> 00:50:27,600
The windows don't stay up.

963
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,200
A lot of them don't stay up anymore.

964
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,200
So they're using books or bricks or something like that to hold them up.

965
00:50:33,834 --> 00:50:36,200
Unfortunately, that does fall.

966
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,266
And that caused some of the windows, one of the windows to actually break

967
00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:41,433
the glass this year.

968
00:50:41,433 --> 00:50:42,400
So I had to replace that.

969
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,367
So hopefully I'm going to be able to replace some of those,

970
00:50:46,133 --> 00:50:49,834
if we have funds available in our facility repairs.

971
00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:50,433
But it's

972
00:50:51,367 --> 00:50:51,967
as well as the

973
00:50:51,967 --> 00:50:55,100
secure, security system upgrade station three, like we had talked about.

974
00:50:55,934 --> 00:51:00,200
So there's I don't have enough money to cover all those repairs.

975
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,066
It's literally going to be.

976
00:51:02,066 --> 00:51:05,066
Which which one is the the worst one to,

977
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:05,967
get done.

978
00:51:05,967 --> 00:51:08,967
And, a lot of that same is with the hose,

979
00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:12,967
and other equipment is we're going to wait towards

980
00:51:12,967 --> 00:51:17,100
the end of the year and figure out which is the biggest priority,

981
00:51:18,166 --> 00:51:20,400
emergency management wise.

982
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400
So I'm very happy to report that CERT is back.

983
00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:26,467
They are gaining steam.

984
00:51:26,467 --> 00:51:30,400
We they are bringing people back that haven't been in a few years.

985
00:51:31,266 --> 00:51:32,800
Trying to get some new blood in there.

986
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,934
They have helped out, recover the Goffstown gallop.

987
00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:39,867
They're participating in the going, like, swim

988
00:51:40,367 --> 00:51:43,800
and they fully anticipate to be prepared to help out

989
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,700
with other community, projects such as their guard and stuff like that.

990
00:51:48,734 --> 00:51:52,166
So we've been spending some money to move their equipment from station

991
00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:56,233
three down to station one, so we had better equipment availability for them.

992
00:51:56,967 --> 00:52:01,233
Quicker response time for them to help out the first responders in rehabs.

993
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,800
And then also we are,

994
00:52:05,867 --> 00:52:08,867
trying to bring everyone together

995
00:52:08,967 --> 00:52:11,900
so that we don't have to maintain equipment separately.

996
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:16,000
So, for example, they supply first aid tents and races and stuff like that.

997
00:52:16,734 --> 00:52:19,767
Previously, they bought all of their first aid equipment themselves

998
00:52:19,834 --> 00:52:21,900
and only use it 2 or 3 times a year.

999
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,800
Now, with them being here in our station, they have access

1000
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,800
to our supplies that we use on a regular basis.

1001
00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:32,634
So now you don't have two agencies buying stuff and using it and possibly expiring.

1002
00:52:33,133 --> 00:52:37,166
Now we actually have a revolving, so they're able to use that as well.

1003
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
We're also restructuring them completely,

1004
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,533
with all new policies and procedures, which is going really well.

1005
00:52:44,934 --> 00:52:46,667
They've made some recently.

1006
00:52:46,667 --> 00:52:50,634
Last week they made some administrative changes to personnel to get some new blood

1007
00:52:50,634 --> 00:52:54,600
in the ranks and the new leadership, they are full steam ahead.

1008
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,300
I'm really proud to say that our volunteers are doing well.

1009
00:52:58,667 --> 00:52:59,166
And if,

1010
00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:03,333
anyone else out in the community is looking for some volunteer

1011
00:53:03,333 --> 00:53:06,467
opportunities, CERT is definitely looking, as well

1012
00:53:06,467 --> 00:53:09,467
as, we're still taking applications for call firefighters, too,

1013
00:53:10,233 --> 00:53:13,767
which I think covers or a question can you explain again what service.

1014
00:53:14,233 --> 00:53:16,900
So cert our volunteers cert.

1015
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,900
It's kind of this interesting.

1016
00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:21,634
Niche,

1017
00:53:21,634 --> 00:53:25,200
if you will, within the state laws and stuff like that.

1018
00:53:25,734 --> 00:53:28,634
They're under, emergency management.

1019
00:53:28,634 --> 00:53:33,367
So locally, the emergency manager director myself, they fall under me.

1020
00:53:33,367 --> 00:53:35,700
They previously were under the police department.

1021
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:41,667
And what they do is they org to assist in a non-emergency role.

1022
00:53:42,634 --> 00:53:45,634
The town so far cert currently

1023
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,734
assist with pedestrian crossing, traffic control,

1024
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
first aid tents, stuff like that.

1025
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,600
We're starting to build them into some school plans for,

1026
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,600
reunification plans

1027
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,433
and also use for, disasters

1028
00:54:03,433 --> 00:54:07,333
such as wind events, rain events, whether it's closing down

1029
00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:11,634
roads, putting up barricades, stuff like that, that kind of

1030
00:54:11,867 --> 00:54:15,300
we refer to it as a cold zone, keeping them out of the real big hazards.

1031
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:20,867
But quite honestly, it's it's really neat to see the different experiences

1032
00:54:20,867 --> 00:54:25,467
are mainly all retired people and utilizing their different

1033
00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:31,300
professional experiences to help write, grant narratives to help.

1034
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:31,800
Right.

1035
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,433
SOG policies and procedures or provide some experience in certain areas.

1036
00:54:37,433 --> 00:54:40,500
Is really neat to have that expertise.

1037
00:54:40,767 --> 00:54:44,033
So not only operationally but also administratively,

1038
00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:47,066
they're really helping us out a lot.

1039
00:54:47,266 --> 00:54:48,467
Okay.

1040
00:54:48,467 --> 00:54:51,467
Thanks.

1041
00:54:51,734 --> 00:54:54,233
Chief of facility repairs. Yes.

1042
00:54:54,233 --> 00:54:56,934
You have a prioritized list already.

1043
00:54:56,934 --> 00:55:00,667
So I have a list.

1044
00:55:00,734 --> 00:55:03,800
I have how much each one is going to cost.

1045
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:07,467
And I have an idea of priorities.

1046
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,467
The security system, in my opinion, is number one.

1047
00:55:12,233 --> 00:55:15,233
Number two is the windows.

1048
00:55:15,367 --> 00:55:17,734
But I don't have enough money to cover that.

1049
00:55:17,734 --> 00:55:21,333
And again, it all depends on what else breaks from the rest of the year.

1050
00:55:21,533 --> 00:55:23,367
But we have a leaking roof station.

1051
00:55:23,367 --> 00:55:24,900
It's a small leak. Yep.

1052
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:26,033
So are we worried that

1053
00:55:26,033 --> 00:55:28,533
that's going to cause more damage as more water gets into that.

1054
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:31,400
So so very valid question.

1055
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,934
It appears that's been going on for a couple of years.

1056
00:55:33,934 --> 00:55:38,467
It is a industrial style roof and leaks into a bathroom.

1057
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,233
So luckily that's not a significant problem.

1058
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,033
It's not causing any,

1059
00:55:45,166 --> 00:55:45,634
areas of

1060
00:55:45,634 --> 00:55:48,634
concern for mildew or mold at this time.

1061
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,934
My concern will be water spreads.

1062
00:55:50,934 --> 00:55:52,700
Yep. Everywhere. Yes it does.

1063
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:54,634
And right now it's contained.

1064
00:55:54,634 --> 00:55:57,634
And if it spreads, it's going to jump up on the property. Go.

1065
00:55:58,166 --> 00:56:00,333
So, I mean, I just want to make sure I'm

1066
00:56:00,333 --> 00:56:03,333
not being like,

1067
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,934
Pennywise, pound foolish, completely taking care of certain things.

1068
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,533
Yeah.

1069
00:56:08,533 --> 00:56:13,300
So can we get some idea on some of those and a list around them?

1070
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,433
So that way we're sure what we should be going after.

1071
00:56:15,433 --> 00:56:17,367
So we're working on that.

1072
00:56:17,367 --> 00:56:17,967
I mean, I also don't

1073
00:56:17,967 --> 00:56:21,834
want people getting hurt because like, windows are slamming down or whatever too,

1074
00:56:21,834 --> 00:56:24,767
because they're trying to stay cool. So I mean, it's sick.

1075
00:56:24,767 --> 00:56:25,467
Along with that hurt

1076
00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:28,667
track, we've talked about on glass, obviously one of the big ones is

1077
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,166
the traffic light out here for us. Respondent.

1078
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:33,500
Section one has been working two years

1079
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:36,133
and it's going to be 50 or $60,000 for place.

1080
00:56:36,133 --> 00:56:40,367
And I just property wise, it just hasn't made it to our requirement yet.

1081
00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:44,700
Because the whole system needs to get replaced.

1082
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,033
So there's, there's multiple different things.

1083
00:56:47,033 --> 00:56:48,900
It's just

1084
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:51,100
I think if we had a list, then we could start to think about,

1085
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:56,166
especially if there were funds left over, you know, from the bottom line or what.

1086
00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:59,166
Otherwise we want to make sure that we write and stack all of those.

1087
00:56:59,233 --> 00:56:59,900
I think it's for,

1088
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:01,400
like all the departments, like,

1089
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,433
there's certain things that we think about safety or health of the employees

1090
00:57:04,433 --> 00:57:06,934
or like making sure the buildings are actually functioning.

1091
00:57:06,934 --> 00:57:09,767
We should get that list to you.

1092
00:57:09,767 --> 00:57:11,900
But like when you're talking about

1093
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:14,867
the track, like Main Street Church, I mean.

1094
00:57:24,734 --> 00:57:27,734
So the other questions so.

1095
00:57:28,066 --> 00:57:29,066
Okay.

1096
00:57:29,066 --> 00:57:31,000
All right.

1097
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,734
So, this is the time of year where we start to, dip into our encumbrances.

1098
00:57:36,734 --> 00:57:41,166
I know in Q1, our budget artificially looks like it's expanding

1099
00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:42,600
because we've recovered so much money

1100
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,533
for the year, primarily for, things like the solid waste tipping fees.

1101
00:57:46,734 --> 00:57:50,634
You know, the the, asphalt pavement contracts, another big one.

1102
00:57:51,033 --> 00:57:53,033
Some of the other ones that,

1103
00:57:53,033 --> 00:57:55,900
tend to have a higher amount, some of our contracted services.

1104
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:59,066
So we're starting to dip into those now and actually spend the funds,

1105
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:02,133
from the encumbrances, in particular street

1106
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:05,266
sweeping contractors, complete with the spring sweeping.

1107
00:58:05,266 --> 00:58:06,000
We've started the line

1108
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,000
striping, a little slow out of the gate with this contractor.

1109
00:58:09,433 --> 00:58:11,266
As you might remember to their first year with us. So

1110
00:58:12,266 --> 00:58:13,567
I have some growing pains there, but,

1111
00:58:13,567 --> 00:58:16,567
hopefully they can get on track.

1112
00:58:17,333 --> 00:58:19,300
Let's see, catch basin cleaning and pipe cleaning.

1113
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:22,000
Contractor started, a couple weeks back.

1114
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,100
The, as Derek mentioned,

1115
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:28,100
we've, had a little bit of,

1116
00:58:29,767 --> 00:58:31,033
additional, tonnage

1117
00:58:31,033 --> 00:58:34,033
for, the solid waste revenues.

1118
00:58:34,066 --> 00:58:37,433
Overall, some of our numbers are down, but, the,

1119
00:58:38,667 --> 00:58:41,100
revenue reimbursement,

1120
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:42,800
should be submitted here by the end of the month.

1121
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,133
So we'll get that, checked soon.

1122
00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:49,066
The other items of note, real plan wise,

1123
00:58:49,066 --> 00:58:52,667
master Road phase three, overlay was complete.

1124
00:58:53,266 --> 00:58:54,700
We do have some punch list items over there.

1125
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:55,700
A master road.

1126
00:58:55,700 --> 00:59:00,734
And then, ivy wall and healed repaved last week.

1127
00:59:01,333 --> 00:59:05,500
The next step for that project would be raising the drainage structures, to grade.

1128
00:59:06,033 --> 00:59:10,233
And when that contractor, for continental is here raising those structures,

1129
00:59:10,233 --> 00:59:12,400
they'll raise the structures next door on Laurel Ave,

1130
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,367
which was a little way which is paved last year.

1131
00:59:15,367 --> 00:59:18,367
And then that can be top to the topcoat to finish that project.

1132
00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:21,567
So that hopefully is, coming to a close there on Laurel.

1133
00:59:23,433 --> 00:59:25,166
The, and then of course, the

1134
00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:29,100
Henry Bridge project, has kicked off in full swing with school shutdown.

1135
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,700
So that's taken a good chunk of our department focus right now.

1136
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,400
The that project, going well so far.

1137
00:59:36,934 --> 00:59:40,700
We, had some, some challenges getting out of the gate

1138
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,700
with what method of demo was best for that old decking?

1139
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:47,200
A lot of it being sight unseen because the pavement had to be removed first.

1140
00:59:47,967 --> 00:59:50,967
We weren't sure exactly how how well, the tack welds that

1141
00:59:50,967 --> 00:59:54,300
hold down that corrugated steel deck, we're going to maintain.

1142
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:57,600
And how much effort was going to be removed are required to remove that.

1143
00:59:58,367 --> 01:00:00,767
Turns out, few of them are hanging in there pretty well

1144
01:00:00,767 --> 01:00:01,734
and quite a bit of effort.

1145
01:00:01,734 --> 01:00:04,000
So, we've got a good method now.

1146
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,967
I think, after about another week, I should be able to project out.

1147
01:00:07,967 --> 01:00:10,967
Okay, here's how much productivity we are going to get per day.

1148
01:00:11,166 --> 01:00:15,266
With our with our demo crew and then with the, refinishing,

1149
01:00:15,433 --> 01:00:19,734
grinding, painting and replacement welding falling behind.

1150
01:00:19,734 --> 01:00:24,734
So we're working across the deck, replacing new panels, keeping only up,

1151
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,033
you know, 6 to 8ft gap in between what's being removed and what's being replaced?

1152
01:00:29,533 --> 01:00:33,000
So far, I've been able to keep up pretty well, but, I think,

1153
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,667
the tricky sections are the ones that have had the most,

1154
01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:40,266
penetration throughout the years, water damage underneath.

1155
01:00:40,266 --> 01:00:43,266
And those require a little bit more welding and painting or.

1156
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:45,433
I'm sorry, grinding and painting.

1157
01:00:45,433 --> 01:00:49,433
And we do have a couple sections that, from below, we know are going to be rough.

1158
01:00:49,433 --> 01:00:49,867
It's just

1159
01:00:49,867 --> 01:00:53,433
I'm not sure until the deck's off how bad the tops of those beams are going to be.

1160
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
So far, we haven't had anything that, requires any,

1161
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,834
you know, significant, structural, buildup, required.

1162
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:05,800
There are two beams near the ends that the tops are getting a little thin, so,

1163
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,934
well, there's been, getting those, filled,

1164
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:12,734
as he proceeds with the deck tacking.

1165
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:17,734
But no, no significant, structural issues at all, so that's good.

1166
01:01:17,734 --> 01:01:20,734
The,

1167
01:01:21,467 --> 01:01:23,700
trick now is to make sure that we stay on track

1168
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:25,800
and try to get this reopened for school. Of course.

1169
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,800
As it talked to Joshua the other day,

1170
01:01:29,133 --> 01:01:32,934
right now, I don't have a, anticipate did, push it for overtime.

1171
01:01:32,934 --> 01:01:36,800
But if we get through the end of this week now, where we've got the process

1172
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,567
for demolition and replacement known, if we hit any major stumbling blocks,

1173
01:01:41,567 --> 01:01:44,934
we might have to start looking at overtime, either to get a crew in on a,

1174
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,400
one day where they normally wouldn't or a couple long days.

1175
01:01:48,533 --> 01:01:51,000
So, as far as quantity, it's hard to say yet

1176
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,200
because we're not in that phase where I think we need it.

1177
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,133
But, if we do, it's likely to be in the, you know, the days of overtime

1178
01:01:57,133 --> 01:01:58,834
rather than the the weeks and months.

1179
01:01:58,834 --> 01:02:00,233
You know, it's not going to

1180
01:02:00,233 --> 01:02:03,333
spiral out of control unless there's a catastrophic issue. But,

1181
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:05,567
all indications are it's

1182
01:02:05,567 --> 01:02:08,567
going as, as we expected as far as the condition,

1183
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,533
the let's see, budget wise, are there other things?

1184
01:02:13,533 --> 01:02:18,166
Same as Q1, where we came out of quarter one expecting so much of the winter,

1185
01:02:18,467 --> 01:02:22,900
related lines, those haven't obviously gotten any better, with 42.

1186
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:27,834
So, for overtime, diesel use and saw use in particular.

1187
01:02:28,867 --> 01:02:32,166
That's going to be, right up until the 11th hour of the year

1188
01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:37,100
before we really know how the winter of 2627 is going to look like.

1189
01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:40,133
Going to start some years, you have a December where it's

1190
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,033
golf until, you know, January 1st and others.

1191
01:02:44,033 --> 01:02:49,600
Winter starts, you know, October 31st, as we know, so, we've got some,

1192
01:02:51,634 --> 01:02:53,200
funds set aside within the road

1193
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,934
plan for future transfer, presuming we have a typical year.

1194
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:58,834
It's about 20% of our winter month.

1195
01:02:58,834 --> 01:03:01,266
Maintenance budget is usually spent in December.

1196
01:03:01,266 --> 01:03:04,367
But but as I said, it fluctuates so much one year to an that's.

1197
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,400
It's hard to say.

1198
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,567
But we'll continue to monitor that.

1199
01:03:08,567 --> 01:03:12,333
The other big thing that we will know soon, though, is the states saw pricing.

1200
01:03:12,333 --> 01:03:16,133
So they, they their contract expires in August.

1201
01:03:17,066 --> 01:03:19,500
Not too many people are buying salt in middle of the summer, but,

1202
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:22,967
the new contract pricing is usually made live sometime in July.

1203
01:03:23,266 --> 01:03:27,734
As of Friday, it hadn't been put live yet, but, I expect that'll happen

1204
01:03:27,734 --> 01:03:31,300
in the next week or two if there are no major jumps there, we'll be in good shape.

1205
01:03:31,367 --> 01:03:34,433
A couple of years ago, I think it jumped $10,

1206
01:03:34,433 --> 01:03:37,433
which was at the time 15% or so increase.

1207
01:03:37,433 --> 01:03:39,900
So we'll keep our eyes peeled for that, and I'll let you know.

1208
01:03:40,867 --> 01:03:41,834
We do have a full share, and

1209
01:03:41,834 --> 01:03:43,567
we do have a little bit of money left on the encumbrance.

1210
01:03:43,567 --> 01:03:48,700
So, you know, in a good, easy December that would get us through,

1211
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,667
let's see, other big stuff of note.

1212
01:03:55,533 --> 01:03:57,533
I did make a note on bridge repair operating supplies.

1213
01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:01,800
We're going to, finance director Zach and I had talked about, my initial plan

1214
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,767
had been to use, just our road plan funding to fund the bridge project.

1215
01:04:06,266 --> 01:04:07,934
And then worry about the transfers later.

1216
01:04:07,934 --> 01:04:11,634
He'd actually thinks it's going to be easier on his end to overspend

1217
01:04:11,634 --> 01:04:15,033
the bridge maintenance line and the operating supplies line.

1218
01:04:15,033 --> 01:04:18,600
And then at the end of the year, do a transfer into those two.

1219
01:04:18,867 --> 01:04:21,834
It will require coding at a once when I put the invoices on.

1220
01:04:21,834 --> 01:04:24,567
So those are going to start to look a little funky over the next few weeks.

1221
01:04:24,567 --> 01:04:26,200
And then once we get them transfers

1222
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,667
in at the end of the summer much more, we think we're gonna go on that.

1223
01:04:28,667 --> 01:04:30,600
Because you're, we have 70%.

1224
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,433
Yeah. So bridge repair the number.

1225
01:04:33,433 --> 01:04:37,433
I think I had in, carve out was about 60,000 total.

1226
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,800
And that is, that covers,

1227
01:04:42,066 --> 01:04:43,066
the anticipated

1228
01:04:43,066 --> 01:04:47,333
welding, some of the, rental machinery, fall protection supplies

1229
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:51,133
that have been purchased, you know, other the security fencing, that kind of stuff.

1230
01:04:51,133 --> 01:04:55,200
And then the other big one that we have come in at up is the,

1231
01:04:55,734 --> 01:04:56,667
waterproofing membrane.

1232
01:04:56,667 --> 01:05:01,400
So once the decking is complete, skim coat of asphalt goes down

1233
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,800
to fill in all the corrugations on the deck and get a nice smooth surface.

1234
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,834
And then there's a contractor that comes in to do a waterproofing

1235
01:05:07,934 --> 01:05:09,033
barrier membrane,

1236
01:05:09,033 --> 01:05:12,166
which will hopefully do a better job protecting the steel decking.

1237
01:05:12,767 --> 01:05:15,934
And then that gets paved on top of, so what line will we see?

1238
01:05:15,934 --> 01:05:17,166
So transfer.

1239
01:05:17,166 --> 01:05:20,967
So, so it's going to be out of, reclamation.

1240
01:05:20,967 --> 01:05:25,233
Primarily I think is going to be the, the so it's on page

1241
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:29,900
25 is the packet page 25 or page 19 of the budget report.

1242
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:31,567
Since CIP.

1243
01:05:34,967 --> 01:05:39,367
Reclaim line is and is launching there.

1244
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,333
It's page 19 of the report.

1245
01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:42,567
Yeah.

1246
01:05:42,567 --> 01:05:45,834
Page 2525 of the packet.

1247
01:05:45,834 --> 01:05:47,667
Yeah.

1248
01:05:47,667 --> 01:05:51,433
And then we also have, as I mentioned in the memo,

1249
01:05:53,066 --> 01:05:55,300
the HB2 a few years back,

1250
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:59,066
the state had, new legislation as part of the budget bill.

1251
01:05:59,066 --> 01:06:02,834
I guess it was right, an attack on, that funded, additional

1252
01:06:02,834 --> 01:06:06,166
that that sent additional, bridge aid funds to towns.

1253
01:06:06,166 --> 01:06:07,867
There was also going to get it wrong.

1254
01:06:07,867 --> 01:06:11,166
So I wanted to try but another bill that, tacked on road funding.

1255
01:06:11,166 --> 01:06:15,133
So, we had an influx of road funding, and the specific bridge

1256
01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:18,100
funding that can only be used for bridge projects, projects.

1257
01:06:18,767 --> 01:06:21,934
We we use that, a couple of years ago to purchase all the steel

1258
01:06:21,934 --> 01:06:26,367
decking at the time, 75,000 ish, I think, for materials.

1259
01:06:26,367 --> 01:06:29,433
So we do have a good, healthy amount left in that line,

1260
01:06:30,133 --> 01:06:32,700
which is a non lapsing fund to the CHB to fund.

1261
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,800
I would like to not dip into that if we can, because we have a big deck

1262
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,333
that's going to have to get that bridge.

1263
01:06:38,333 --> 01:06:40,467
It's going to have to be replaced on the red list on

1264
01:06:41,667 --> 01:06:42,133
newly on

1265
01:06:42,133 --> 01:06:45,166
the red list on Terrell Hill Road, just past fire station.

1266
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:49,166
So we'd like to use what's remaining there, and,

1267
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,367
hopefully not hit to hit the budget for that project.

1268
01:06:52,367 --> 01:06:53,567
If we can.

1269
01:06:53,567 --> 01:06:54,934
So if we take it out of the reclaim,

1270
01:06:54,934 --> 01:06:59,033
which are almost 80% there, no more than we're expecting a reclaim or,

1271
01:06:59,333 --> 01:07:02,834
so we've got some encumbered funds in reclaim,

1272
01:07:02,834 --> 01:07:05,834
which brings it back 80%.

1273
01:07:06,066 --> 01:07:09,634
Is a good chunk of that 80%, of, spent.

1274
01:07:09,867 --> 01:07:13,467
And then the, other thing that we have

1275
01:07:13,467 --> 01:07:17,233
this year is the additional, road funding, special article line.

1276
01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:20,266
I, I don't know if that's on page 20 or,

1277
01:07:21,266 --> 01:07:22,567
well, I'm just trying to make sure.

1278
01:07:22,567 --> 01:07:25,567
Yes, we move money that we understand how much more is going

1279
01:07:25,567 --> 01:07:28,266
to be hitting the reclaim as well. So that way. Correct.

1280
01:07:28,266 --> 01:07:29,467
We take the right amount out of there.

1281
01:07:29,467 --> 01:07:31,233
So how much more do you think is going to be hitting that?

1282
01:07:31,233 --> 01:07:33,100
It's not the bridgework.

1283
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:35,934
So so I had held out,

1284
01:07:35,934 --> 01:07:39,934
so that 186 that we have available.

1285
01:07:40,033 --> 01:07:40,333
Yeah.

1286
01:07:40,333 --> 01:07:43,567
Is, includes things

1287
01:07:43,567 --> 01:07:47,467
like this bridge project, which I target around 60,000,

1288
01:07:47,567 --> 01:07:52,900
which we roughly need another $43,000 base and probably.

1289
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,400
Okay.

1290
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:55,867
And then we've got,

1291
01:07:55,867 --> 01:07:59,800
those other items, those winter items that I'm anticipating we're going to need.

1292
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,867
So how much are those?

1293
01:08:01,867 --> 01:08:02,767
That's what I don't know.

1294
01:08:02,767 --> 01:08:04,967
And I don't have a guesstimate on it or.

1295
01:08:04,967 --> 01:08:06,600
I mean, if

1296
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,634
if it's if it's an average

1297
01:08:09,634 --> 01:08:14,333
year, it's the 20% right that we would need from our overtime salt.

1298
01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:15,900
And then diesel.

1299
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:18,900
I'm sorry. You're saying you need some

1300
01:08:19,066 --> 01:08:20,233
sources, right?

1301
01:08:20,233 --> 01:08:22,900
So I won't know what that real number.

1302
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:25,667
I kind of have to hold it back through the construction season,

1303
01:08:25,667 --> 01:08:28,734
and it's just going to end up being a surplus if we don't have a heavy

1304
01:08:29,333 --> 01:08:30,767
in November, December.

1305
01:08:30,767 --> 01:08:32,467
If we do, then we'll have it.

1306
01:08:32,467 --> 01:08:33,900
And if we don't, then you

1307
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:36,900
folks will be able to put that back to the general fund or

1308
01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:41,266
to some other end of the year type stuff with. But,

1309
01:08:43,834 --> 01:08:46,600
Yeah, it's just kind of the, the way it goes with those winter items.

1310
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,767
I don't have any crystal ball with it

1311
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,400
because I read the road.

1312
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,600
Well, I was going to ask is given the fire we had the other day,

1313
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,200
how can we actually expedite moving the bridge along,

1314
01:09:01,567 --> 01:09:03,734
at this point?

1315
01:09:03,734 --> 01:09:07,567
I think we're probably.

1316
01:09:07,734 --> 01:09:08,934
Well, they're limited.

1317
01:09:08,934 --> 01:09:12,867
If we wanted to look at hiring another welding

1318
01:09:13,867 --> 01:09:18,867
firm, or additional, you know, welders, the well that we have is good.

1319
01:09:18,867 --> 01:09:21,367
He's done a lot of bridge work, very certified.

1320
01:09:21,367 --> 01:09:24,233
He's a one man, you know, his business, one man.

1321
01:09:24,233 --> 01:09:27,867
So we're basically held up by the welding at this point in time, I think.

1322
01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:33,734
I think so, there's, we've got our, our crew is, is now operating out

1323
01:09:33,734 --> 01:09:37,233
with a plasma torch, side by side with the welder for the demo.

1324
01:09:38,033 --> 01:09:40,333
We've only done this for a couple of days now since that came in.

1325
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:43,333
So I'll know better at the end of next week, if that's what.

1326
01:09:43,333 --> 01:09:44,700
If you'd like to do some kind

1327
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:48,867
of provisional thing and have me start looking at having somebody else come in,

1328
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:49,133
I just.

1329
01:09:50,767 --> 01:09:51,367
Yeah.

1330
01:09:51,367 --> 01:09:54,567
With that two companies, you, you start to have a little bit of

1331
01:09:56,166 --> 01:09:59,300
potentially step one on one side of the bridge potentially.

1332
01:09:59,300 --> 01:09:59,767
Right. Yeah.

1333
01:09:59,767 --> 01:10:03,734
I have one demo on the other, works on the, the the reinstallation.

1334
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:07,467
We've got some of the other

1335
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:10,467
limiting factors are the concrete work.

1336
01:10:11,266 --> 01:10:14,567
Not not the first abutment in, but the, the last.

1337
01:10:14,567 --> 01:10:16,800
We can't demo the,

1338
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,400
south side abutment until the bridge

1339
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,400
deck demo continues to that point.

1340
01:10:22,533 --> 01:10:25,433
So, they're going to be under the gun when the court,

1341
01:10:25,433 --> 01:10:27,734
when that time comes to get the concrete in.

1342
01:10:27,734 --> 01:10:30,567
And we have, accelerated that.

1343
01:10:30,567 --> 01:10:32,166
We've got a,

1344
01:10:32,166 --> 01:10:34,867
high early strength concrete spec so we can get in,

1345
01:10:34,867 --> 01:10:37,867
hopefully get that traversable pretty quickly.

1346
01:10:38,533 --> 01:10:41,233
And then the other lead time is going to be weather with

1347
01:10:41,233 --> 01:10:44,033
the paving contractor has to come at least twice.

1348
01:10:44,033 --> 01:10:45,967
Once for that Simcoe.

1349
01:10:45,967 --> 01:10:48,834
And then the membrane contractor is going to fall right behind.

1350
01:10:48,834 --> 01:10:51,066
And then the next window for top paving.

1351
01:10:51,066 --> 01:10:54,934
So there's a little bit of do we have all the supplies I guess is the question.

1352
01:10:55,634 --> 01:10:57,100
We are good with supplies.

1353
01:10:57,100 --> 01:11:01,467
So so really it's down to its, personnel power in order to get it done right?

1354
01:11:01,867 --> 01:11:02,433
Right.

1355
01:11:02,433 --> 01:11:05,567
And right now you're limited based on not having enough people

1356
01:11:05,567 --> 01:11:09,166
to do the demo or doing to pull pull the metal up.

1357
01:11:09,433 --> 01:11:12,467
It's tough because I don't I can't answer that, really.

1358
01:11:12,467 --> 01:11:14,667
I don't have enough. We've only done this once.

1359
01:11:14,667 --> 01:11:18,266
I don't have enough history to say, hey, this last couple days

1360
01:11:18,266 --> 01:11:23,000
since we've had two torches going at once for the demo is is enough.

1361
01:11:23,266 --> 01:11:28,800
It looks like that's exactly the right amount of, labor on the demolition.

1362
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,333
And to keep the construction and following closely behind.

1363
01:11:34,233 --> 01:11:36,533
So, you know, give me a give me another week.

1364
01:11:36,533 --> 01:11:38,266
I can give you a better answer on that.

1365
01:11:38,266 --> 01:11:41,266
But, at this point, I don't think we're

1366
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,066
there's not a whole lot to gain.

1367
01:11:43,066 --> 01:11:47,767
I think if we were to crash it with, you know, another, another 2 or 3 welders,

1368
01:11:47,767 --> 01:11:51,400
I think they'd be more in each other's way than than,

1369
01:11:53,467 --> 01:11:56,467
you know, helping at this point.

1370
01:11:57,934 --> 01:12:00,934
So, Derek, do we need to transfer some over in order to make it easier

1371
01:12:00,934 --> 01:12:05,166
for cowling, or is that what I'm hearing or not a good thought at this point. The.

1372
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:09,400
We have a new bridge line that we've never had before, and they can start,

1373
01:12:10,834 --> 01:12:12,967
charging, invoices to it.

1374
01:12:12,967 --> 01:12:15,934
The one thing, and I know Danielle and Adam are well aware of this.

1375
01:12:15,934 --> 01:12:19,200
We just can't transfer the special article into that.

1376
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,233
So we'll have to be out of the CIP requirement.

1377
01:12:21,233 --> 01:12:24,100
But, so it has to be out of that for sure. Yeah.

1378
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:27,100
You can't you can never transfer out of a special art as well.

1379
01:12:27,266 --> 01:12:28,734
Yeah. Yeah. So but

1380
01:12:29,934 --> 01:12:32,934
I'm sure this just makes it easier for us

1381
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,767
to kind of make that distinction between regular road plan and bridge repair.

1382
01:12:37,767 --> 01:12:40,967
So if there is any reclaim, we should be trying to pull

1383
01:12:40,967 --> 01:12:43,967
out of that special article, you know, the roadwork.

1384
01:12:44,033 --> 01:12:45,634
Oh, we mean, if there's roadwork.

1385
01:12:45,634 --> 01:12:47,200
Yeah. Spend that down first.

1386
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,934
Yeah, I think we should be canceling on that first. Right.

1387
01:12:49,934 --> 01:12:52,734
So that way we can. He's already got that full amount and covered.

1388
01:12:52,734 --> 01:12:55,333
It looks like he's got it set up in a. So yeah. Yeah.

1389
01:12:55,333 --> 01:12:58,700
So we shouldn't expect this line of 187 to really go down any more.

1390
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:00,834
Yeah.

1391
01:13:00,834 --> 01:13:03,500
Well make sure it does.

1392
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:05,300
Yeah we will have money.

1393
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:07,500
We have the money we need right now.

1394
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:10,266
So I just can't take on any like late season, like, hey,

1395
01:13:10,266 --> 01:13:12,900
we got to add a road or, you know, something like that, you know,

1396
01:13:14,266 --> 01:13:15,333
if it's all pricing

1397
01:13:15,333 --> 01:13:18,333
comes in, it's 20 bucks a ton higher.

1398
01:13:18,467 --> 01:13:21,166
I may shift gears and take some bridge funds from that.

1399
01:13:21,166 --> 01:13:24,900
HQ2 account, but I don't think that's got much

1400
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:27,934
as in that HP to account.

1401
01:13:29,433 --> 01:13:30,934
Gets around a hundred thousand.

1402
01:13:30,934 --> 01:13:33,934
I know, I think it's about 130,000

1403
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,000
that, I'm not part of that.

1404
01:13:38,934 --> 01:13:39,200
Sorry.

1405
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,700
Two factor. We're trying to.

1406
01:13:41,700 --> 01:13:43,200
Okay,

1407
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:43,800
both. Geez.

1408
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,266
We've had some emergency services lately.

1409
01:13:46,266 --> 01:13:46,500
I mean,

1410
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:48,000
is that bridge being out

1411
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,600
causing any problems besides the fire that we had the other day?

1412
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,567
I just I want to make sure if we should be pushing in that a little bit harder

1413
01:13:55,066 --> 01:13:56,400
if we have more experience here than I do.

1414
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,634
But, I mean, we infrastructure if people

1415
01:14:01,667 --> 01:14:04,800
are hurt by changes in the infrastructure like Henry Bridge,

1416
01:14:05,667 --> 01:14:07,634
we use the same infrastructure. Yeah.

1417
01:14:07,634 --> 01:14:08,333
And answer your question.

1418
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:13,700
So if you're seeing a problem, we're seeing a problem.

1419
01:14:13,834 --> 01:14:14,033
Yeah.

1420
01:14:14,033 --> 01:14:20,100
We we have to redo our entire patrol division

1421
01:14:20,634 --> 01:14:24,233
where we have to put officers on the other side of town

1422
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:28,333
and spur our town in a different way than where normal

1423
01:14:28,767 --> 01:14:32,300
is to make sure that we have the adequate coverage over there,

1424
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,834
because we can't just cross over Henry Bridge and we need extra officers.

1425
01:14:38,166 --> 01:14:38,467
Yeah.

1426
01:14:38,467 --> 01:14:39,767
It's and we've had

1427
01:14:39,767 --> 01:14:42,100
we've had a couple of spots where you had to have some overtime

1428
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:42,634
because people

1429
01:14:42,634 --> 01:14:44,166
had to stay on that side of town where we do

1430
01:14:44,166 --> 01:14:45,767
shift change to get them over.

1431
01:14:45,767 --> 01:14:47,967
Due to a late call, which could happen,

1432
01:14:47,967 --> 01:14:49,967
but it's just taking us longer to get back.

1433
01:14:49,967 --> 01:14:51,767
Yeah, yeah.

1434
01:14:51,767 --> 01:14:53,934
I will say that in the past, they've been very good

1435
01:14:53,934 --> 01:14:56,567
when they've had to replace that, that they open it at night or leave

1436
01:14:56,567 --> 01:14:58,867
it just for emergency responders to get across.

1437
01:14:58,867 --> 01:15:01,367
But this is the one that you can't really broke.

1438
01:15:01,367 --> 01:15:03,734
It broke. It worked out really well.

1439
01:15:03,734 --> 01:15:05,533
Yeah. Unless we're Dukes of Hazzard.

1440
01:15:05,533 --> 01:15:09,367
But yeah, it is a bad thing as I shorten the lifespan of our cars,

1441
01:15:10,266 --> 01:15:12,834
we pre-positioned it knowing that this was coming.

1442
01:15:12,834 --> 01:15:13,900
But, you know,

1443
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:17,433
I can tell you right now that that's because we have adequate staffing.

1444
01:15:17,467 --> 01:15:18,533
The police department.

1445
01:15:18,533 --> 01:15:21,767
If we didn't have adequate staffing, we would be in a different situation.

1446
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:22,734
Yeah.

1447
01:15:23,734 --> 01:15:25,300
So I think out of it,

1448
01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:28,433
at least for me, I would like to make a motion

1449
01:15:28,433 --> 01:15:34,300
to have you investigate how we move it faster. How?

1450
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,634
What type of options do you want me to look at?

1451
01:15:39,634 --> 01:15:42,634
I mean, I adding a second welder open.

1452
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:44,800
They can certainly.

1453
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,433
You know, I can pull the switch tomorrow and say anybody that wants overtime,

1454
01:15:48,433 --> 01:15:49,066
we've got it.

1455
01:15:49,066 --> 01:15:52,166
It's just a matter of how many takers we have on that end,

1456
01:15:52,667 --> 01:15:55,767
because demo is currently our shortest straw in it.

1457
01:15:55,767 --> 01:15:56,734
Correct.

1458
01:15:56,734 --> 01:15:57,734
It looks that way.

1459
01:15:57,734 --> 01:16:01,367
But so if we can move the demo faster, we can move the reconstruction faster,

1460
01:16:01,934 --> 01:16:02,700
potentially.

1461
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:05,700
But again, I don't have enough data to say that right now.

1462
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:09,133
He's not far enough into the project to see where I work

1463
01:16:09,533 --> 01:16:13,033
and our next not do it on a regular basis, but how much more do you think you

1464
01:16:13,033 --> 01:16:13,734
have in time

1465
01:16:15,166 --> 01:16:16,700
to do the demo?

1466
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:20,700
I, I suspect we've got another week and a half of demo,

1467
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:24,967
but that same time it's overlapping with, you know, the cleanup,

1468
01:16:24,967 --> 01:16:26,467
the construction, it's falling behind.

1469
01:16:26,467 --> 01:16:28,567
So that gets us to our like our next meeting.

1470
01:16:28,567 --> 01:16:32,667
So I mean, I'm waiting that long doesn't necessarily accelerate us for that.

1471
01:16:32,667 --> 01:16:34,667
If you only have a week and a half. Right.

1472
01:16:34,667 --> 01:16:35,867
Instead we're waiting to see if we're right.

1473
01:16:35,867 --> 01:16:39,066
I mean, I need to know from you folks as if you're okay with me.

1474
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:42,700
If we found a lever to pull up, pull it.

1475
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:44,834
You know,

1476
01:16:44,834 --> 01:16:46,767
I just I don't want to do that.

1477
01:16:46,767 --> 01:16:48,133
And then here,

1478
01:16:48,133 --> 01:16:50,967
you know, the tough parts, the purchasing and all that jazz, you know?

1479
01:16:50,967 --> 01:16:53,233
Right. Because I'm not going to be able to go out to bid.

1480
01:16:53,233 --> 01:16:57,033
I didn't hear anything about purchasing when I heard was is hiring right.

1481
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:57,967
Right.

1482
01:16:57,967 --> 01:17:00,600
But if I'm going to hire a welder that calls in person policy.

1483
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,967
So I would normally have to

1484
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,767
the that policy to

1485
01:17:04,767 --> 01:17:08,033
keep me out here is anything above 25,

1486
01:17:09,033 --> 01:17:14,367
25 is still below is still there, but anything between 10,000 and 25,000.

1487
01:17:14,433 --> 01:17:17,100
So if it's below 10,000 you don't necessarily need it.

1488
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:20,066
So I'll make a motion for you to investigate anything that falls

1489
01:17:20,066 --> 01:17:23,066
below the 10,000 line in order to accelerate the bridge,

1490
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,233
I can

1491
01:17:26,233 --> 01:17:29,166
motion by Josh second by Mark.

1492
01:17:29,166 --> 01:17:32,000
Any other comments? Favor.

1493
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,967
All right. Coast. Nice having.

1494
01:17:34,967 --> 01:17:37,967
And those those are grant funds.

1495
01:17:38,734 --> 01:17:41,000
SB 401.

1496
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,867
Oh, sorry for the bridge.

1497
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:45,600
You got $280,000 in that.

1498
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,200
And that's funds are that's 401 plus two combined.

1499
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,233
Or is that just that's just for one.

1500
01:17:53,667 --> 01:17:55,233
There's,

1501
01:17:55,233 --> 01:17:56,533
that's the bridge separate.

1502
01:17:56,533 --> 01:17:58,233
And then

1503
01:17:58,233 --> 01:18:00,467
the bridge 270

1504
01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:03,467
bridge have there's another $100,000 in there.

1505
01:18:03,834 --> 01:18:05,033
It's 380,000.

1506
01:18:05,033 --> 01:18:07,800
So between those two for the bridges.

1507
01:18:09,066 --> 01:18:09,333
Yeah.

1508
01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:13,300
And I think at a more I'm thinking was like get ahead of the week and a half like

1509
01:18:14,367 --> 01:18:16,634
yeah I mean it's

1510
01:18:16,634 --> 01:18:19,967
easy to say it's I don't it's the mythical person that got it.

1511
01:18:19,967 --> 01:18:21,867
Construction in your season trying to find somebody

1512
01:18:21,867 --> 01:18:24,900
that's worth a dang and knows what they're doing on a bridge

1513
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,867
isn't already working somewhere on a bridge. You're not.

1514
01:18:27,867 --> 01:18:30,400
That's that's kind of a part of it, too.

1515
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,867
But yeah, the the best and some of it maybe, you know, maybe overtime

1516
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,166
if we can put in some on our side to get some of the cleanup done,

1517
01:18:40,033 --> 01:18:42,900
instead of having the welder fall back behind and weld

1518
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:45,700
the pieces as soon as they're cleaned, we can open up more of the bridge.

1519
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:46,934
We have the fall protection stuff.

1520
01:18:46,934 --> 01:18:49,634
It's just kind of a yeah, a little bit of a balancing act.

1521
01:18:49,634 --> 01:18:50,800
You don't want to open up too much.

1522
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,867
And I mean, I know it's impacting local traffic, but I think

1523
01:18:53,867 --> 01:18:57,400
when I saw the emergency services thing kind of happened the other day, like

1524
01:18:58,233 --> 01:19:00,934
I don't want us to get into a bad, bad situation,

1525
01:19:00,934 --> 01:19:03,200
especially if we're starting to get drier here in the summer

1526
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,634
because it has been pretty normal.

1527
01:19:04,634 --> 01:19:07,634
I don't want to like have any sort of fires break out anywhere else.

1528
01:19:07,734 --> 01:19:11,867
Definitely remember pretty quickly how how a two bridges across a river

1529
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,000
can cripple you.

1530
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,233
I thought of that.

1531
01:19:14,233 --> 01:19:16,567
And just think how we feel when we're on one side of the bridge.

1532
01:19:16,567 --> 01:19:18,834
And then that same truck driver has to go all the way to the village

1533
01:19:18,834 --> 01:19:20,533
to get to just the other side of the bridge,

1534
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,433
for sure.

1535
01:19:22,433 --> 01:19:24,200
Okay. Can I just change the subject?

1536
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:24,934
Sure.

1537
01:19:24,934 --> 01:19:27,934
Your first paragraph here kind of struck me.

1538
01:19:27,934 --> 01:19:32,266
Last second on the last line of roads has been deliberately under programed.

1539
01:19:32,634 --> 01:19:36,734
I was just wondering how you kind of under programed the road plan.

1540
01:19:36,967 --> 01:19:38,500
That's just some of those hold backs.

1541
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:42,166
So, you know, I didn't spend right to the very hilt knowing that we had

1542
01:19:42,166 --> 01:19:45,166
some of these items coming out of Q1 that were going to be,

1543
01:19:45,934 --> 01:19:49,000
so on the winter end, does that mean you're not working on certain roads?

1544
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,767
Everything on the road that, sorry, everything that was approved

1545
01:19:52,767 --> 01:19:54,533
by the Select Board for the road plan?

1546
01:19:54,533 --> 01:19:56,100
Yes. Done.

1547
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:58,367
Road plan funding, though we

1548
01:19:58,367 --> 01:20:01,400
we only programed for for your approval.

1549
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,433
You know, whatever it would be 85%

1550
01:20:04,433 --> 01:20:07,467
or something of the available funds holding back some of those other funds.

1551
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,867
Thank you. Yeah. One more question.

1552
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,900
And it's kind of an off topic question.

1553
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:15,100
Love it. Good.

1554
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:19,500
So on the road that we've ever been doing on Mass Road.

1555
01:20:19,767 --> 01:20:23,066
Yes, I know that the granite cost quite a bit.

1556
01:20:23,066 --> 01:20:25,166
And you can tell me that we're required by law to have it.

1557
01:20:25,166 --> 01:20:28,734
But I'm just curious over the Valvoline is. Yep.

1558
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:31,100
And you're coming out of there.

1559
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:34,667
There's those two, granite bump outs on both sides. Yep.

1560
01:20:35,867 --> 01:20:38,834
Are we required to put those in? No.

1561
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:40,834
So why did we put them in?

1562
01:20:40,834 --> 01:20:44,600
So those are those are, let me just make sure we're talking the same thing.

1563
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,433
The traversable cobbles like we have here on Main Street.

1564
01:20:47,433 --> 01:20:48,000
Yep, yep.

1565
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,800
Okay, so, those are, mountable or traversable cobbles that, the idea

1566
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,867
there is, they're used for traffic calming and or turning movement calming

1567
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:01,734
and in particular, with pedestrian safety areas.

1568
01:21:02,333 --> 01:21:05,500
So what those do is deter most people

1569
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:09,867
from taking a very hard right or left turn into a intersection.

1570
01:21:10,066 --> 01:21:14,133
But you don't actually give up the physical geometry

1571
01:21:14,233 --> 01:21:17,066
of the vertical curve on both sides.

1572
01:21:17,066 --> 01:21:19,900
So you are you're getting like the 90% solution.

1573
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:21,066
You're selling a lot of people down

1574
01:21:21,066 --> 01:21:24,166
and, reducing the speed at which people take those turns.

1575
01:21:24,166 --> 01:21:26,767
So pedestrians have a stand more of a fighting chance.

1576
01:21:26,767 --> 01:21:30,867
You also, retain that extra yardage,

1577
01:21:30,867 --> 01:21:35,266
for, big truck movements and movements so they can be driven over.

1578
01:21:35,266 --> 01:21:38,600
In a couple places on Main Street.

1579
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,433
We had them that we actually replaced vertical curbing with those on the

1580
01:21:42,433 --> 01:21:45,467
leading edge of some of the parking bays because it was a true,

1581
01:21:45,567 --> 01:21:47,166
you know, a tricky movement for folks.

1582
01:21:47,166 --> 01:21:48,767
So, and then,

1583
01:21:49,767 --> 01:21:53,000
Elm and High Intersection is another good example where we have some in

1584
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,567
general, it's a must keep most everybody within the the actual travel lane.

1585
01:21:56,567 --> 01:21:57,700
But it's there.

1586
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:00,700
If bigger vehicles need to, they can go right over it.

1587
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,200
So, they are supposed to be a visual wowser.

1588
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,033
That's kind of the idea with them.

1589
01:22:08,033 --> 01:22:10,934
I will say,

1590
01:22:10,934 --> 01:22:12,634
initially when they first go

1591
01:22:12,634 --> 01:22:15,634
in a location that's pretty common, we get a lot of, like,

1592
01:22:16,266 --> 01:22:18,767
what's going on? I can't whip in them.

1593
01:22:18,767 --> 01:22:20,066
And no offense to any Russian border

1594
01:22:20,066 --> 01:22:21,900
residents, I can't whip into Rochambeau anymore.

1595
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:24,467
But that intersection in particular.

1596
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:25,800
Use that intersection.

1597
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,634
That's a good amount of traffic that go up.

1598
01:22:27,634 --> 01:22:30,367
Know for other, that intersection in particular.

1599
01:22:30,367 --> 01:22:32,400
One of the things that we looked at with highway safety prior

1600
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,667
to the development of the project was, it's a it's a very odd geometry.

1601
01:22:36,667 --> 01:22:37,333
It's skewed

1602
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:40,834
both sides, both college and Rochambeau are skewed at an angle, the mast.

1603
01:22:41,467 --> 01:22:46,600
And it was so wide on Rochambeau that, even though there's not room or

1604
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:51,133
or a desire to create two lanes coming out of Rochambeau,

1605
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:55,233
because of all the turning movements that have to happen there, you

1606
01:22:55,266 --> 01:22:56,333
start adding multiple lanes

1607
01:22:56,333 --> 01:22:57,367
coming out of Rochambeau,

1608
01:22:57,367 --> 01:22:59,000
and now you're actually causing a safety problem

1609
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,066
because you've got too many different turns that can all happen at once,

1610
01:23:02,066 --> 01:23:06,033
with center turn lanes and ins and outs in the two classes and the pizza market.

1611
01:23:06,700 --> 01:23:10,300
So, it was so why people would, would create their own two way

1612
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:14,533
out of Rochambeau, where there really wasn't two lanes there.

1613
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,166
So on the idea as well as well

1614
01:23:16,166 --> 01:23:19,166
to do what we've done that elsewhere in the village with good success.

1615
01:23:19,634 --> 01:23:21,066
Give that the visual neck down.

1616
01:23:21,066 --> 01:23:23,400
And this is to find one in, one out.

1617
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,734
But still, the ability for the larger stuff to get over

1618
01:23:25,734 --> 01:23:27,166
now was kind of the idea there.

1619
01:23:27,166 --> 01:23:31,734
Do we owe, or are we responsible if anybody like, runs over

1620
01:23:31,734 --> 01:23:35,767
there's pops of high or something like that, unless there's been a,

1621
01:23:36,867 --> 01:23:39,100
you know, it's kind of that the for liability.

1622
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:40,200
Municipal liability.

1623
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,734
Unless there's a gross negligence or, you know,

1624
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:48,800
it wasn't on the plan, and we put vertical curbs somewhere and somebody hits it.

1625
01:23:49,367 --> 01:23:51,800
Yes. There's some liability if we don't follow the

1626
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,133
you know what the plans are, I guess.

1627
01:23:54,133 --> 01:23:57,533
But, yeah, the municipal liability protection is very broad,

1628
01:23:57,533 --> 01:23:59,166
especially for something that's,

1629
01:23:59,166 --> 01:24:02,200
you know, improving standards, I guess, of the of the roadway.

1630
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,533
I'm just curious, you know, you're right.

1631
01:24:05,533 --> 01:24:08,000
And it's kind of annoying when you come out and see it, but.

1632
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,967
Yeah, it does slow people right down.

1633
01:24:09,967 --> 01:24:10,634
There's no more.

1634
01:24:10,634 --> 01:24:13,066
You can't take that corner at super high speed.

1635
01:24:13,066 --> 01:24:15,200
And the more we do that, we drive on. We did it on,

1636
01:24:16,834 --> 01:24:19,166
over by companies too, because their causing that

1637
01:24:19,166 --> 01:24:22,266
intersection was pretty nasty as well, but can't curb it out with that.

1638
01:24:22,433 --> 01:24:23,200
Yeah it's not.

1639
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,133
There's been a lot of discussion about the granite

1640
01:24:25,133 --> 01:24:27,967
and everything out there, so I figured I'd ask.

1641
01:24:27,967 --> 01:24:32,367
So just just to maybe tie the bow on the granite, discussion.

1642
01:24:32,367 --> 01:24:35,533
The curbing in Kennard ville.

1643
01:24:35,533 --> 01:24:39,700
Almost completely, already was granite curving.

1644
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:43,133
So in areas that already have it, we in Orland, a big project like this,

1645
01:24:43,133 --> 01:24:45,700
we will reset areas that have failed or settled.

1646
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:48,700
Or in the case of, Valvoline, there was an old,

1647
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,634
the old business had an entrance there, and the actual tip down was still there.

1648
01:24:52,634 --> 01:24:55,634
So we had that replaced and brought up, you know, to the full height.

1649
01:24:55,734 --> 01:25:01,233
In the village we had, some granite section on Main Street, but,

1650
01:25:01,266 --> 01:25:03,533
it was a hot topic when Elm Street was done

1651
01:25:03,533 --> 01:25:07,800
because the asphalt curbing, on Elm Street was replaced with more asphalt.

1652
01:25:09,033 --> 01:25:12,700
So so there some of that that discussion when we're coming into some place,

1653
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:16,634
especially if there's not curbing okay, what are we going to do here?

1654
01:25:16,634 --> 01:25:17,667
In the end,

1655
01:25:17,667 --> 01:25:20,667
it gets pretty costly if we add curb and it's not already existing,

1656
01:25:20,667 --> 01:25:21,166
that's for sure.

1657
01:25:21,166 --> 01:25:24,867
So but mass road in general has grass roots.

1658
01:25:24,867 --> 01:25:27,367
That's what we stick with. Understood.

1659
01:25:27,367 --> 01:25:27,967
Thank you.

1660
01:25:27,967 --> 01:25:30,667
Yeah.

1661
01:25:30,667 --> 01:25:32,667
I'll set.

1662
01:25:32,667 --> 01:25:33,233
I'm good.

1663
01:25:33,233 --> 01:25:35,000
Parks and rec.

1664
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,233
Parks and rec.

1665
01:25:36,233 --> 01:25:39,066
Doing great.

1666
01:25:39,066 --> 01:25:39,734
Online.

1667
01:25:39,734 --> 01:25:42,467
We'll be fine.

1668
01:25:42,467 --> 01:25:45,467
I think some areas that we just have to manage,

1669
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:49,166
we're really now just kind of getting into the swing of things like week

1670
01:25:49,166 --> 01:25:51,233
three with camp and all that stuff in the pool.

1671
01:25:51,233 --> 01:25:55,834
So staffing wise, part time wise, now we start to see the numbers.

1672
01:25:55,834 --> 01:25:57,567
Really? What what are they?

1673
01:25:57,567 --> 01:26:01,467
I think we'll be fine in that area.

1674
01:26:02,934 --> 01:26:05,900
Might actually be under a little bit,

1675
01:26:05,934 --> 01:26:10,066
but I'm not going to go on record and say that, what we just did.

1676
01:26:10,333 --> 01:26:13,500
Yeah, I did, yeah, that was a stupid statement again.

1677
01:26:15,533 --> 01:26:15,867
Yeah.

1678
01:26:15,867 --> 01:26:20,333
My wife says that ever, you know, I was in our self speak and I'm like, no,

1679
01:26:20,333 --> 01:26:21,266
I really don't.

1680
01:26:21,266 --> 01:26:25,567
Anyhow, otherwise the park

1681
01:26:25,567 --> 01:26:29,700
operation line, I think that one, that's a 35,000 total.

1682
01:26:29,967 --> 01:26:33,000
That line could go over a little bit.

1683
01:26:33,233 --> 01:26:36,233
But as I said, bottom line wise, I think we'll be okay.

1684
01:26:36,634 --> 01:26:40,667
We encumbered $5,800, which comes out of that line

1685
01:26:40,667 --> 01:26:44,033
from 2025 for this Roy Park survey.

1686
01:26:44,433 --> 01:26:45,367
We finally finished.

1687
01:26:45,367 --> 01:26:48,400
So actually I got to bring that to you guys at some point.

1688
01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:53,066
And then we had, as you may read, out of where we had,

1689
01:26:53,266 --> 01:26:56,266
septic that we never knew we had a septic for 40 years.

1690
01:26:56,834 --> 01:27:00,133
And, little things like that.

1691
01:27:00,133 --> 01:27:02,400
We had a tree down across the rail trail.

1692
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,934
We had a that's unexpended money.

1693
01:27:04,934 --> 01:27:06,367
We had,

1694
01:27:07,734 --> 01:27:09,734
the well club, the

1695
01:27:09,734 --> 01:27:14,333
Hi-Lo switch died, so there was a $800, cost there.

1696
01:27:14,567 --> 01:27:17,133
Little things like that kind of came in in that line.

1697
01:27:17,133 --> 01:27:20,233
So, when I think that line might be over a little bit.

1698
01:27:20,233 --> 01:27:22,767
But we can control that somewhat.

1699
01:27:22,767 --> 01:27:25,667
You know, maybe I don't buy it.

1700
01:27:25,667 --> 01:27:29,467
One one treatment of fertilizer.

1701
01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:30,233
You know what I mean?

1702
01:27:30,233 --> 01:27:32,567
Something like that.

1703
01:27:32,567 --> 01:27:36,033
But, I think our water line.

1704
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:37,500
I'm really nervous.

1705
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:42,400
I mean, every field we go right now is burning, so we just literally increased

1706
01:27:42,767 --> 01:27:46,934
all the, the watering times and amounts and all that.

1707
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,967
So I can tell you right now, the sports complex,

1708
01:27:50,967 --> 01:27:54,066
we rely on the pond water,

1709
01:27:54,467 --> 01:27:57,066
a well system that's dry.

1710
01:27:57,066 --> 01:28:00,066
So we're going all into grass, mere water.

1711
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:02,033
And that's an expensive one.

1712
01:28:02,033 --> 01:28:02,800
They hit your heart.

1713
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:04,834
So we're going

1714
01:28:04,834 --> 01:28:07,900
all in there, and that's going to start probably in two weeks.

1715
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:09,834
Use municipal water over there.

1716
01:28:09,834 --> 01:28:11,400
We have a line down there.

1717
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:12,266
Oh, probably.

1718
01:28:12,266 --> 01:28:12,867
Yeah, yeah.

1719
01:28:12,867 --> 01:28:15,867
We we we dialed in, that we,

1720
01:28:16,567 --> 01:28:18,600
had them hooked us up, gave us a great idea.

1721
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,667
We use the pond, we created our own drainage to build the fire.

1722
01:28:22,667 --> 01:28:23,367
Right.

1723
01:28:23,367 --> 01:28:26,533
And then we also have municipal water that runs down there, too.

1724
01:28:27,033 --> 01:28:29,300
And this is going to be a year of that.

1725
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:34,600
We're going to be using municipal water because pond is is drying out right now.

1726
01:28:35,033 --> 01:28:37,266
And,

1727
01:28:37,266 --> 01:28:40,433
so I think, you know, I think that line, the water

1728
01:28:40,433 --> 01:28:44,200
line might be close to expanded,

1729
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:48,700
but other than that, I don't foresee any of the other.

1730
01:28:48,867 --> 01:28:50,900
Was it full of a water or not?

1731
01:28:50,900 --> 01:28:55,533
No, no, no, I mean, I don't know if you have been over there.

1732
01:28:55,533 --> 01:28:56,867
Have you ever seen the pond?

1733
01:28:56,867 --> 01:29:00,066
You have it has that, concrete thing in the water.

1734
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:00,333
Yeah.

1735
01:29:02,467 --> 01:29:03,867
Two years ago,

1736
01:29:03,867 --> 01:29:07,800
after winter, the water was literally, literally up to that.

1737
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,300
Great. On the top.

1738
01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:10,166
Yeah. Okay.

1739
01:29:10,166 --> 01:29:13,233
This this year we're starting on the second hole down.

1740
01:29:13,934 --> 01:29:16,734
So that's how much less water we have.

1741
01:29:16,734 --> 01:29:18,266
It's amazing.

1742
01:29:18,266 --> 01:29:21,233
So, yeah, because even over a crotchet like their,

1743
01:29:21,467 --> 01:29:24,533
their retention pond is like way down, like it was weird.

1744
01:29:24,567 --> 01:29:25,300
So dry.

1745
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:28,700
I think that I don't know if this is true or not, but it's my own theory.

1746
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:33,600
The snow we got this year was awesome for skiing.

1747
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,767
I loved it, it was great.

1748
01:29:34,767 --> 01:29:36,900
It's good powder, you know what I mean? It was.

1749
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:38,266
It was good snow.

1750
01:29:38,266 --> 01:29:39,500
But not a lot of moisture.

1751
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:43,367
I know, and I think I think what that could be

1752
01:29:43,367 --> 01:29:47,000
a little difference is when it melts and drains off you.

1753
01:29:47,133 --> 01:29:48,367
You have a watch?

1754
01:29:48,367 --> 01:29:50,133
Yeah. I mean, we got a ton of snow.

1755
01:29:50,133 --> 01:29:51,433
It was great.

1756
01:29:51,433 --> 01:29:53,500
Beautiful for sure. Yeah.

1757
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:55,533
Thought we were all west. Okay.

1758
01:29:55,533 --> 01:29:57,300
You didn't have to pay for it.

1759
01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:00,467
But, so I think you know that

1760
01:30:00,467 --> 01:30:03,634
that's a variable, but I'm not a scientist.

1761
01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:07,700
Other than that, I think we'll be okay.

1762
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:10,266
Do we know how much water in general that we use?

1763
01:30:10,266 --> 01:30:12,133
I can tell you.

1764
01:30:12,133 --> 01:30:14,166
I mean, I don't have it off the top of my head.

1765
01:30:14,166 --> 01:30:16,800
Can we do that to calculate how much we think we're gonna spend with grass?

1766
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,734
We're, good dry.

1767
01:30:22,033 --> 01:30:24,100
We can put some old invoices. Yeah.

1768
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:25,033
There was one year. Actually.

1769
01:30:25,033 --> 01:30:26,967
There was one year.

1770
01:30:26,967 --> 01:30:29,667
The first year, second year, first year, second year.

1771
01:30:29,667 --> 01:30:32,333
I believe that that went online.

1772
01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:35,333
We were using quite a bit of water from grass. Man,

1773
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,033
because we probably should estimate that in the proforma,

1774
01:30:39,033 --> 01:30:41,533
like what we think we're gonna spend on that.

1775
01:30:41,533 --> 01:30:42,867
Okay. You are under budget.

1776
01:30:42,867 --> 01:30:45,867
If you're actually going to be over budget on that, I'll try to figure it out.

1777
01:30:46,033 --> 01:30:47,166
Okay.

1778
01:30:47,166 --> 01:30:50,533
But I think like I said, bottom line, I mean, bottom line would be fine.

1779
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:51,867
But I have a feeling

1780
01:30:51,867 --> 01:30:54,967
there's gonna be some individual lines that don't go over absolutely.

1781
01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:56,200
Okay.

1782
01:30:59,567 --> 01:31:02,033
Last but not least, short and sweet.

1783
01:31:02,033 --> 01:31:07,333
I think, the library's operating very well within our budget at this time.

1784
01:31:07,567 --> 01:31:09,700
As Chief Serino mentioned, though,

1785
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:13,533
it's only the end of the second quarter, so fingers crossed.

1786
01:31:13,934 --> 01:31:19,367
For us under, we're we're really trying to leverage

1787
01:31:19,367 --> 01:31:23,934
all of our staff, and, we're doing a little experiment.

1788
01:31:23,934 --> 01:31:26,767
We have a part time temporary position.

1789
01:31:26,767 --> 01:31:30,100
We've had it for many years, to help in the summertime

1790
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:33,100
because that's our peak programing. And,

1791
01:31:36,266 --> 01:31:38,900
building capacity, I would say time

1792
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:43,667
instead of hiring somebody in for that position, we are using an existing

1793
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:48,000
part time staff member to take just a fraction of those hours.

1794
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,533
But we did

1795
01:31:50,533 --> 01:31:55,133
we we really looked at all the programing we're doing, the staffing we're doing.

1796
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:57,634
To make our

1797
01:31:57,634 --> 01:32:00,867
best guess, could we do this and think we can?

1798
01:32:00,934 --> 01:32:03,734
So it remains to be seen at the end of the summer.

1799
01:32:03,734 --> 01:32:08,533
But if it's a, successful experiment, that might be an opportunity

1800
01:32:08,533 --> 01:32:10,000
in the future.

1801
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,000
As I'm building the budget for next year to reduce it a little bit,

1802
01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:20,133
the one area of unknown is the facility maintenance line.

1803
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,400
We have had some unanticipated expenses.

1804
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,600
Where we're paying them as we go.

1805
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:31,467
But that that's an unknown, and I

1806
01:32:32,533 --> 01:32:35,533
hundred year plus building.

1807
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:38,333
But other than that, I think we're looking pretty good.

1808
01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:40,967
I'm feeling good about it.

1809
01:32:40,967 --> 01:32:43,500
Accepting the elevator

1810
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:45,533
and what have you guys start the elevator.

1811
01:32:45,533 --> 01:32:49,066
No, I did just get an update from Stanley about a week ago,

1812
01:32:49,066 --> 01:32:50,867
and the part is now trending.

1813
01:32:50,867 --> 01:32:53,800
End of July, beginning of August.

1814
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,100
So as soon as the part comes in, my understanding is

1815
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:59,100
they're going to be able to work on it immediately.

1816
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:01,934
2 to 3 day project. So it's really just a matter of that park coming in.

1817
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:05,867
Why not a park are waiting on required 50%.

1818
01:33:05,867 --> 01:33:06,667
Are you ready? Okay.

1819
01:33:06,667 --> 01:33:07,767
We already are.

1820
01:33:07,767 --> 01:33:08,834
That's okay. The 50%.

1821
01:33:08,834 --> 01:33:11,834
So we do the other half. Yes.

1822
01:33:11,867 --> 01:33:14,000
So essentially at this point the general fund is

1823
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,000
just cash flowing it out of their building, maintenance line.

1824
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,066
So it's going to be overspent.

1825
01:33:19,066 --> 01:33:23,367
And then once it's decided where that funding is coming from, will

1826
01:33:23,367 --> 01:33:27,800
either budget transferred to it from something like the, benefits line or,

1827
01:33:28,467 --> 01:33:31,133
we can charge it out to the

1828
01:33:31,133 --> 01:33:34,200
with the offsetting CRF if necessary. Okay.

1829
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,233
So we make the decision at that point. Yeah.

1830
01:33:36,233 --> 01:33:38,066
So right now it's coming out of general fund.

1831
01:33:38,066 --> 01:33:38,333
Yeah.

1832
01:33:38,333 --> 01:33:41,400
They can still do the work and it won't hold anything up.

1833
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,567
And then we can make the decision to make this work.

1834
01:33:43,567 --> 01:33:44,900
But I think

1835
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:48,300
yeah you actually have that in your packet to say to tab eight eight tonight.

1836
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:50,367
If you if you are ready to make that decision.

1837
01:33:52,433 --> 01:33:55,433
Okay everybody good.

1838
01:33:56,767 --> 01:33:57,000
Okay.

1839
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,834
If you don't have anything else,

1840
01:33:59,834 --> 01:34:00,767
it doesn't have anything else.

1841
01:34:00,767 --> 01:34:02,233
You can leave

1842
01:34:02,233 --> 01:34:04,634
that the general election night. Thank you.

1843
01:34:04,634 --> 01:34:07,634
Coming up here. Right.

1844
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:08,834
Or 40% already.

1845
01:34:08,834 --> 01:34:11,400
We got one coming up in September. Yep.

1846
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,300
Do we think we're going to be over on that one?

1847
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:17,300
We'll definitely have to, to look at it.

1848
01:34:17,900 --> 01:34:19,367
I'll have to work with Jen.

1849
01:34:19,367 --> 01:34:23,467
And what she's, predicting for four hours, and,

1850
01:34:24,667 --> 01:34:26,934
but, see what we can pull for.

1851
01:34:26,934 --> 01:34:29,200
Yeah, because I want to make sure that we're not thinking, like,

1852
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,533
hey, we're going to go fancy on all kinds of, like, meals and stuff.

1853
01:34:32,533 --> 01:34:34,233
If we have two more elections to do as well.

1854
01:34:34,233 --> 01:34:37,500
Like we have to contain that budget in some way, shape or form as well.

1855
01:34:41,467 --> 01:34:44,266
Because we got September and then we basically get ready for March

1856
01:34:44,266 --> 01:34:45,000
at the same time. No,

1857
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,300
we have September and November, September and November, September, November.

1858
01:34:48,467 --> 01:34:54,367
And so I mean, definitely seems like we may end up going over that if we did 40%.

1859
01:34:54,367 --> 01:34:56,200
All right.

1860
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,400
Yeah, it definitely depends on what we end up because yeah, I think we

1861
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,467
there is a lot and there is a lot spent on learning

1862
01:35:02,467 --> 01:35:05,467
the new tabulators this year.

1863
01:35:06,066 --> 01:35:08,634
The ballot, testing

1864
01:35:08,634 --> 01:35:10,967
took a few more days than we anticipated.

1865
01:35:10,967 --> 01:35:11,400
It did.

1866
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:12,500
And we've already started

1867
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:16,867
talking about, ways to make that a little bit more efficient.

1868
01:35:16,867 --> 01:35:19,533
So I did talk to the manufacturer to he stated.

1869
01:35:19,533 --> 01:35:23,700
But some of the issues that we experienced with tabulators,

1870
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:26,700
they'll have the software fixed before the September election, so

1871
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,634
they may end up having to take some people in here

1872
01:35:29,634 --> 01:35:33,500
to basically, test out those ahead of time.

1873
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:36,467
So that could be more money as well to make sure that it's working

1874
01:35:36,467 --> 01:35:37,767
as described in the software.

1875
01:35:37,767 --> 01:35:40,300
And I don't know if Jen's talked to them already on that or not.

1876
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:40,867
I can check with.

1877
01:35:44,934 --> 01:35:46,800
Thank you everybody.

1878
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,433
Once again, for the jail.

1879
01:35:49,433 --> 01:35:52,433
Yeah. Please. Yeah. We don't have. Not yet.

1880
01:35:52,634 --> 01:35:53,700
You can't.

1881
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:55,166
Chairs was good.

1882
01:35:55,166 --> 01:35:58,166
Just hang on a Friday.

1883
01:35:58,667 --> 01:36:03,734
So, tab eight a, what I have is just, the

1884
01:36:03,767 --> 01:36:07,367
the memo from the last meeting about the the library elevator repair.

1885
01:36:07,667 --> 01:36:10,667
This was tabled until after quarter,

1886
01:36:10,767 --> 01:36:11,834
discussions.

1887
01:36:11,834 --> 01:36:16,500
And I guess we'll just here to answer questions for the board

1888
01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:19,500
and see what you want to do.

1889
01:36:21,934 --> 01:36:25,166
I've been thinking more about this, and I love to see if we can find a way

1890
01:36:25,166 --> 01:36:29,033
to fund that from, like, probably that excess insurance line.

1891
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:34,934
I feel like the town of Spokane, when they supported putting money into their CRF,

1892
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:38,000
and now we're going to literally drain it within the first.

1893
01:36:40,166 --> 01:36:41,000
How many months are we?

1894
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,967
Thanks. Because I don't even know anymore.

1895
01:36:42,967 --> 01:36:43,800
A few months into it.

1896
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,367
And the whole point was to be able to prove that they had

1897
01:36:46,367 --> 01:36:50,433
it was it was support from the town and money to go after funds.

1898
01:36:50,433 --> 01:36:52,200
And then we drain it and they no longer do.

1899
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,734
You talking about the 30.

1900
01:36:54,734 --> 01:36:56,867
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1901
01:36:56,867 --> 01:36:58,533
For that elevator part.

1902
01:36:58,533 --> 01:37:00,934
Oh do they're coming from some sort of savings that we have

1903
01:37:00,934 --> 01:37:04,600
and we know we have it on the insurance line now or it's coming in

1904
01:37:04,634 --> 01:37:07,634
draining the Sarah.

1905
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:11,100
Because they don't have the money

1906
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:14,100
in the operating budget period.

1907
01:37:20,533 --> 01:37:20,767
I mean,

1908
01:37:20,767 --> 01:37:23,767
if we have the money, I could back that,

1909
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,400
so we project you're going to have a savings in the benefits

1910
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:31,266
one of 175,000 for any other department.

1911
01:37:31,266 --> 01:37:35,567
If we have some type of, significant Hvac

1912
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,600
or, fire as an elevator.

1913
01:37:38,767 --> 01:37:41,333
We've got the Ada lift here again.

1914
01:37:41,333 --> 01:37:43,000
Most of those items are out of warranty.

1915
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,667
They get regular maintenance.

1916
01:37:44,667 --> 01:37:48,233
But if all of a sudden, if something happens, if it was any other

1917
01:37:48,233 --> 01:37:51,800
department, we'd be coming here asking for a, budget transfer.

1918
01:37:52,233 --> 01:37:56,133
I think the only reason is this was one of the items.

1919
01:37:56,133 --> 01:38:00,400
But it was really to completely redo the elevator, not just do a repair.

1920
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:00,900
Right.

1921
01:38:02,500 --> 01:38:03,600
And honestly, we

1922
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:08,000
from even what chief said, you may be getting more of this this year,

1923
01:38:09,066 --> 01:38:10,667
not just the library.

1924
01:38:10,667 --> 01:38:13,667
Things are going wrong at the fire station.

1925
01:38:14,367 --> 01:38:18,133
I think, if I may, I think that our facilities in general

1926
01:38:18,367 --> 01:38:19,834
are aging, and that's proving out

1927
01:38:19,834 --> 01:38:22,567
what we're seeing in our facility repair lines coming through the invoice,

1928
01:38:22,567 --> 01:38:23,667
the process.

1929
01:38:23,667 --> 01:38:27,867
And when it comes to, something like this, you're talking about

1930
01:38:27,867 --> 01:38:31,333
the health and welfare of the employees as well as the public.

1931
01:38:31,767 --> 01:38:36,166
With this being the oldest building that we really have,

1932
01:38:36,233 --> 01:38:41,000
going with public access, and it's a three story tall building,

1933
01:38:41,133 --> 01:38:44,967
you know, the stairs, hoofing it up the stairs is not necessarily realistic

1934
01:38:45,367 --> 01:38:47,066
or safe in certain situations.

1935
01:38:47,066 --> 01:38:51,333
So, I think that it's definitely a worthy cause.

1936
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:54,500
And even though there may be some other overages, I think

1937
01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:58,000
as far as priority goes, this one's still going to remain a top priority.

1938
01:38:58,634 --> 01:39:01,100
I will say I personally tried to take my mother there,

1939
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:03,200
and I knew, but I just left on the first floor.

1940
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,767
I was like, Stacy, if you just make sure mom doesn't leave the library

1941
01:39:06,767 --> 01:39:09,033
so that I can take my kids to a program there.

1942
01:39:09,033 --> 01:39:10,300
And that kind of stunk.

1943
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:14,233
I mean, obviously, I, I already knew I wasn't going to be happy with that,

1944
01:39:14,233 --> 01:39:18,300
but I feel like there's other people like, she's fine, I'm fine,

1945
01:39:18,667 --> 01:39:22,066
but there are people that might not be fine because you can't get access

1946
01:39:22,066 --> 01:39:25,233
to the things that are on the third floor, which is actually kind of more

1947
01:39:25,233 --> 01:39:28,400
the older that older people.

1948
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,100
But it's the more adult books and the,

1949
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:34,667
the, computers for them to use up there and all that stuff.

1950
01:39:34,667 --> 01:39:36,433
And it's like it's three floors up.

1951
01:39:36,433 --> 01:39:41,767
So if you can't make it up there, you can't go in until Wednesday, August,

1952
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:43,433
mid-August.

1953
01:39:43,433 --> 01:39:45,700
Yeah. So right now service.

1954
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:47,734
Right. Completely. Yeah. Yeah.

1955
01:39:47,734 --> 01:39:49,000
And those stairs are tough.

1956
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,567
I get winded going on at the moment.

1957
01:39:50,567 --> 01:39:54,000
So yeah, I think Pat actually commented that they added chairs.

1958
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,066
Right.

1959
01:39:55,066 --> 01:39:56,600
If it's okay. Yeah. Of course.

1960
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,734
Just want to say to that from the public's perspective for sure.

1961
01:40:00,734 --> 01:40:01,700
It's been a challenge.

1962
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:07,467
There was a gentleman who came to come in and sure, he was an amputee.

1963
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:09,767
He was a crutches.

1964
01:40:09,767 --> 01:40:14,133
And and he came in and he wanted to look for a book,

1965
01:40:14,533 --> 01:40:16,734
and he did have somebody with him, thankfully.

1966
01:40:16,734 --> 01:40:18,533
Of course, the staff were also help.

1967
01:40:18,533 --> 01:40:20,033
So he sat on the first floor

1968
01:40:20,033 --> 01:40:23,033
in the children's room and his his person went up.

1969
01:40:23,266 --> 01:40:28,700
It really took away from that hands that ability to just look around for himself.

1970
01:40:29,033 --> 01:40:33,266
We have a heavily pregnant staff member who works on the third floor.

1971
01:40:33,266 --> 01:40:37,634
She's been she just started her leave, but she's been walking those stairs.

1972
01:40:37,834 --> 01:40:39,033
That was tough.

1973
01:40:39,033 --> 01:40:43,433
Just operationally re shelving materials.

1974
01:40:43,734 --> 01:40:49,500
The person who does that work has to hand carry all the books and the media

1975
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:52,934
and all the things because, you know, put the cart, the shopping cart in the,

1976
01:40:54,033 --> 01:40:54,934
in the elevator.

1977
01:40:54,934 --> 01:40:58,667
It's it's been really a challenge.

1978
01:40:58,667 --> 01:41:01,467
Everybody's, you know, doing the best that they can.

1979
01:41:01,467 --> 01:41:05,400
But it for sure is it's been a real problem.

1980
01:41:05,433 --> 01:41:09,467
Our coffee machines on the third floor, a thousand mentioned.

1981
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:12,500
A lot of people go up there for the quietest space and building.

1982
01:41:12,634 --> 01:41:14,700
There's kids and teenagers on the other floors.

1983
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:18,500
It's like the one that's usually around my kids who love to hang up. And.

1984
01:41:18,867 --> 01:41:21,967
And the other part of it, too, is all of the meetings that we hold.

1985
01:41:21,967 --> 01:41:25,667
We have got a library board of trustees twice a month.

1986
01:41:26,033 --> 01:41:28,934
The friends meet there once a month the foundation meets there.

1987
01:41:28,934 --> 01:41:32,900
They are the only meeting space that we have is up on the third floor.

1988
01:41:33,533 --> 01:41:36,000
Some of the members of those meetings themselves,

1989
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,000
never mind any public people who might want to come in.

1990
01:41:39,367 --> 01:41:40,867
They some of them have struggled.

1991
01:41:40,867 --> 01:41:45,433
So we we, you know, moved pretty much all those meetings here to Town Hall.

1992
01:41:45,433 --> 01:41:48,700
Town halls has been fabulous about sharing the space here with us,

1993
01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:50,133
but that's a lot, too.

1994
01:41:50,133 --> 01:41:54,634
Parks and Rec has opened their facility for some of our programs.

1995
01:41:55,100 --> 01:42:01,000
So with a lot of moving parts, a lot of our not so thanks for coming in.

1996
01:42:01,266 --> 01:42:01,533
Yeah.

1997
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:04,100
Yeah.

1998
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:06,100
I don't think there was any discussion about the fact

1999
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:09,166
that there was some fixed discussions about where the money comes from.

2000
01:42:09,467 --> 01:42:09,934
Right.

2001
01:42:09,934 --> 01:42:12,934
Yep. And,

2002
01:42:13,333 --> 01:42:15,767
I think she said at this point, there's a lot of things

2003
01:42:15,767 --> 01:42:17,867
we may end up hearing and then seeing about.

2004
01:42:17,867 --> 01:42:20,800
That sounds like it's already coming out of the general fund right now.

2005
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,066
We just need to make the decision as we get to rack and stack.

2006
01:42:23,066 --> 01:42:26,300
And I don't think we've seen the rack and stack of any requests right now

2007
01:42:26,300 --> 01:42:29,467
to take that. 175 correct.

2008
01:42:29,467 --> 01:42:32,467
We only see one. Yes. Right.

2009
01:42:32,767 --> 01:42:35,333
So and I think we need to rack and stack that completely

2010
01:42:35,333 --> 01:42:36,300
and then make the decision.

2011
01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:39,567
So I personally am not

2012
01:42:40,066 --> 01:42:41,767
there to make the decision on whether or not

2013
01:42:41,767 --> 01:42:43,200
it comes out of the general fund yet or not,

2014
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,200
because if we got a leaking roof and other things like

2015
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,266
I think we should see some of those collectively

2016
01:42:48,266 --> 01:42:49,834
and then make the decision, we're going to pull that,

2017
01:42:49,834 --> 01:42:52,834
because we're also going to have to make recommendations on the CRF,

2018
01:42:52,934 --> 01:42:57,233
on the number of CRS this year, as well as we go into the budget season

2019
01:42:57,634 --> 01:43:00,467
to make sure that we're shifting money into the right spots.

2020
01:43:00,467 --> 01:43:04,867
So, I mean, we can make this on one piece right now, and then you're left

2021
01:43:04,867 --> 01:43:08,834
with, limited funds and not be able to take out of the CRF if you need to.

2022
01:43:09,166 --> 01:43:09,967
At that point, time.

2023
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:14,533
That's my personal point of view on it.

2024
01:43:14,667 --> 01:43:17,667
I mean, if we want to make a motion to vote on it,

2025
01:43:18,934 --> 01:43:21,500
my personal opinion, as I probably would say,

2026
01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:24,467
not yet.

2027
01:43:24,567 --> 01:43:29,400
I would ask the the know

2028
01:43:30,433 --> 01:43:33,400
department heads to put a list together,

2029
01:43:33,433 --> 01:43:36,634
have it ready for the next meeting so that we can prioritize

2030
01:43:36,934 --> 01:43:39,934
and make that list and start the two way and

2031
01:43:40,233 --> 01:43:42,300
the way on on that.

2032
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:44,867
And so he said, is he said that or he needs this.

2033
01:43:44,867 --> 01:43:47,333
He said he's got the list all laid out.

2034
01:43:47,333 --> 01:43:48,033
We did it all the way.

2035
01:43:48,033 --> 01:43:51,033
Now we can work progressively

2036
01:43:51,133 --> 01:43:54,133
to try to get the.

2037
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:55,967
The repairs done.

2038
01:43:55,967 --> 01:44:00,266
And I would just say it's going to be a list based on the first half of the year.

2039
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,333
A lot of us don't know some of the things that are coming down the line,

2040
01:44:04,333 --> 01:44:09,834
or we've started to kind of maybe say no to something,

2041
01:44:09,834 --> 01:44:13,367
you know, some little things, knowing that we've got some, some other things.

2042
01:44:13,367 --> 01:44:17,033
So it may be a, I guess, a starting point of a list, but it's

2043
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,133
probably not going to be what we end up with at the end of the year.

2044
01:44:20,133 --> 01:44:24,467
So we're still we're only six months in and really you're only

2045
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:25,734
three

2046
01:44:25,734 --> 01:44:28,800
months of spending in the budget because the first three months you're

2047
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:33,533
getting to town meeting, you're operating under, you know, pretty late anyway.

2048
01:44:33,634 --> 01:44:37,433
So I may I may think a little different than I should, but if I look at what

2049
01:44:37,433 --> 01:44:40,700
we talked about tonight, to me, my priorities would be the library.

2050
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:42,367
Get the library things first.

2051
01:44:42,367 --> 01:44:43,867
How would the water leak?

2052
01:44:43,867 --> 01:44:46,266
We'll get the water leak fix

2053
01:44:46,266 --> 01:44:47,467
down the road.

2054
01:44:47,467 --> 01:44:50,467
It seems to be okay now, but right now,

2055
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:54,500
while the people in town are struggling to get to the third floor

2056
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:57,834
or wherever they need to go in the library because the elevators not working.

2057
01:44:58,066 --> 01:44:58,800
And just to be clear,

2058
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,100
we are moving forward with that repairs as quick as we possibly can.

2059
01:45:02,867 --> 01:45:05,867
And I'm not saying like the elevators are not a priority now.

2060
01:45:05,867 --> 01:45:08,533
I'm just saying where the money comes from is a little bit different,

2061
01:45:08,533 --> 01:45:11,800
but like you, sounds like we're already fixing it and we should be, but it just

2062
01:45:11,900 --> 01:45:13,600
doesn't sound like we fix until we get the part.

2063
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,433
Which is the largest lead time item right now?

2064
01:45:16,433 --> 01:45:17,333
Yeah.

2065
01:45:17,333 --> 01:45:19,200
It's not it's not a matter of like us paying for it

2066
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:20,900
because we're still paying for it.

2067
01:45:20,900 --> 01:45:21,266
Yeah.

2068
01:45:21,266 --> 01:45:23,567
Like I'm not even sure if we even started on the water leak.

2069
01:45:24,734 --> 01:45:26,166
We have it.

2070
01:45:26,166 --> 01:45:28,667
So you know what I'd say?

2071
01:45:28,667 --> 01:45:31,367
Like, if we have water leaking, it's basically leaking to the roof.

2072
01:45:31,367 --> 01:45:34,133
You can end up with a much larger repair bill if you don't actually take care of it

2073
01:45:34,133 --> 01:45:37,133
immediately.

2074
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:39,600
So that.

2075
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,033
Yeah, I'm not of course, that that's like

2076
01:45:42,033 --> 01:45:44,233
we can start pulling together a list, still be

2077
01:45:44,233 --> 01:45:47,200
just maybe included with the action matrix

2078
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,433
to get some of the items that were right.

2079
01:45:49,433 --> 01:45:50,467
Yep. Okay.

2080
01:45:50,467 --> 01:45:55,033
And now that will that won't be a part for the library that looks like that.

2081
01:45:55,300 --> 01:45:56,066
Okay. No problem.

2082
01:45:56,066 --> 01:45:57,667
We can do it the next meeting

2083
01:45:57,667 --> 01:46:01,200
or even after the meeting after that, I think the only real thing

2084
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:05,133
we'll be up against is as you start presenting capital reserve

2085
01:46:05,133 --> 01:46:08,133
funds to the budget committee for consideration.

2086
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,934
If you're draining money out of the this capital reserve fund,

2087
01:46:11,934 --> 01:46:15,567
are you going to recharge it and that and that's and that's the discussion.

2088
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:16,300
Right.

2089
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:18,300
And about that'll be in October, November.

2090
01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:19,667
That's why I agree with Mark.

2091
01:46:19,667 --> 01:46:21,400
I think we should at least have someone on the list.

2092
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,634
Even if it is the first half of the year, we can make some decisions really quick

2093
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,634
and then make a decision on whether or not we're going to pull it

2094
01:46:27,634 --> 01:46:30,700
out of, the excess, benefits line

2095
01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:32,233
item.

2096
01:46:32,233 --> 01:46:35,433
As we move forward, we can always take that list, look at it,

2097
01:46:35,834 --> 01:46:40,934
readjust it, do it again so that it's prioritized a little different.

2098
01:46:41,867 --> 01:46:46,033
So if we need a motion for a list, I make a motion that we get

2099
01:46:46,033 --> 01:46:49,266
a list of the items that the departments think that they will need.

2100
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:50,900
The excess.

2101
01:46:50,900 --> 01:46:53,567
Benefits line from in a priority order for it.

2102
01:46:53,567 --> 01:46:57,367
So that way we can make a decision, at the following meeting on the library.

2103
01:46:57,867 --> 01:47:01,166
Second, a motion by George, second by Mark.

2104
01:47:02,066 --> 01:47:04,367
Any further discussion?

2105
01:47:04,367 --> 01:47:05,133
All in favor?

2106
01:47:05,133 --> 01:47:06,967
Opposed?

2107
01:47:06,967 --> 01:47:09,600
Okay, so it.

2108
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,333
So we've already done Tab A B and a C.

2109
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:17,400
You have a D,

2110
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:22,934
you have your the Hampshire Municipal Association propose, legislative

2111
01:47:22,934 --> 01:47:26,800
policy and principles for, the next legislative

2112
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,900
session, 20, 27 and 2028.

2113
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,066
The town is a member of New Hampshire Municipal Association.

2114
01:47:35,066 --> 01:47:38,066
And this is basically divide

2115
01:47:38,367 --> 01:47:41,000
all the towns get together, all the participating members

2116
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,667
get together and craft.

2117
01:47:42,667 --> 01:47:47,867
They have, subcommittees that craft these revised, policies and principles.

2118
01:47:47,867 --> 01:47:51,700
And this is will direct NMS staff on which bills

2119
01:47:51,700 --> 01:47:55,567
they will advocate for, which ones I'll advocate against.

2120
01:47:55,867 --> 01:47:59,300
Or any that really don't fall under their purview.

2121
01:47:59,300 --> 01:48:01,600
They don't, take any action on it.

2122
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,433
So, I'd ask you to,

2123
01:48:04,433 --> 01:48:07,433
to review it, have discussion and,

2124
01:48:07,834 --> 01:48:11,300
and again, that's really the only deadline for this is,

2125
01:48:11,867 --> 01:48:16,433
at your by your next meeting, if you wanted to submit a four floor

2126
01:48:16,433 --> 01:48:19,400
proposal, if you see something that's on this,

2127
01:48:20,433 --> 01:48:22,800
policy and principles that's missing, and you want to submit

2128
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,667
a four floor proposal that has to be done by August 4th,

2129
01:48:27,433 --> 01:48:31,433
and then, by the end of August,

2130
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:37,567
you, need to vote to authorize somebody to vote on the town's behalf

2131
01:48:37,567 --> 01:48:42,133
to act as a delegate at the legislative policy conference on September 11th.

2132
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,533
Tim. Okay.

2133
01:48:46,533 --> 01:48:46,934
Yeah.

2134
01:48:46,934 --> 01:48:51,734
I didn't have a problem with, like, a lot of the general up front pieces.

2135
01:48:51,734 --> 01:48:54,500
They seem to be kind of like the risk pools, that sort of thing.

2136
01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:56,400
Because that seems to be what we're talking about all the time.

2137
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:57,467
Yeah. Yep.

2138
01:48:57,467 --> 01:49:03,734
But like, and and the right to know laws, I think it's interesting

2139
01:49:03,734 --> 01:49:05,567
what they're saying there, but I mean, like,

2140
01:49:05,567 --> 01:49:08,567
I didn't see like hard and fast kind of approaches

2141
01:49:08,834 --> 01:49:11,634
this as to what they're planning to do around that.

2142
01:49:11,634 --> 01:49:14,000
It's more of like, hey, there's a lot of extra time being spent.

2143
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,800
So do you have an idea as to like what they're thinking on any of those? No.

2144
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,667
So a lot of times they'll just advocate when a bill comes in.

2145
01:49:21,634 --> 01:49:24,634
They better kind of look at it through this lens.

2146
01:49:24,667 --> 01:49:28,300
So if all of a sudden Bill were to be proposed to change, right,

2147
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:33,500
to know that an Army staff feels is going to create a huge time burden,

2148
01:49:34,333 --> 01:49:36,734
then they would advocate against that

2149
01:49:36,734 --> 01:49:39,734
so they don't really get into specifics.

2150
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:43,266
They don't actually advocate

2151
01:49:43,266 --> 01:49:47,166
very much for actually hours for submitting legislation.

2152
01:49:47,433 --> 01:49:52,166
It's more how are they going to react once legislation is proposed? You,

2153
01:49:53,233 --> 01:49:56,233
you know, come in after the next election in November.

2154
01:49:57,233 --> 01:49:59,634
Those are what become the bills that the House

2155
01:49:59,634 --> 01:50:02,634
and Senate.

2156
01:50:04,133 --> 01:50:06,433
You know, the only other one that kind of like really

2157
01:50:06,433 --> 01:50:11,066
stuck out to me was the substance abuse prevention response that's always brought

2158
01:50:11,066 --> 01:50:15,734
up, quite a bit of discussion at the, because it's you have

2159
01:50:16,967 --> 01:50:19,667
you have, people that fall on both sides of that argument.

2160
01:50:19,667 --> 01:50:22,667
So that one usually brings up a lot of discussion once

2161
01:50:22,667 --> 01:50:25,867
we get to that, you know, policy number.

2162
01:50:26,166 --> 01:50:29,033
And if you look at the language, a lot of what they look for

2163
01:50:29,033 --> 01:50:32,033
in every section, including that one, is local control.

2164
01:50:32,033 --> 01:50:35,367
They want to advocate, in most cases for a local control,

2165
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,033
whether it's, you know, for communities to opt into things

2166
01:50:38,033 --> 01:50:41,867
if they want to participate rather than state bills coming forward

2167
01:50:41,867 --> 01:50:46,300
where it's not an update or an opt out, it's a you will allow this kind of thing.

2168
01:50:46,567 --> 01:50:50,400
Well, I just want to make clear that, like, we don't have any say over

2169
01:50:52,133 --> 01:50:53,600
rules and regulations of this.

2170
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:58,600
Like why are we trying to opt in or opt out of legislation on,

2171
01:50:59,734 --> 01:51:00,734
on these pieces?

2172
01:51:00,734 --> 01:51:02,467
Like typically we don't have any say

2173
01:51:02,467 --> 01:51:05,867
for the most part, and I don't think we have enough staff to go and push

2174
01:51:06,567 --> 01:51:11,100
substance abuse programs or anything else like that here in the community.

2175
01:51:11,533 --> 01:51:14,266
So I would hope that we wouldn't be trying

2176
01:51:14,266 --> 01:51:17,266
to push for local supervision of that.

2177
01:51:17,533 --> 01:51:20,900
No, it's more of, you know, as Derek said,

2178
01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:25,533
if an LSR is presented, as we've seen in the past, for instance,

2179
01:51:25,533 --> 01:51:29,700
but not the sale of a product, they may say,

2180
01:51:30,934 --> 01:51:34,734
you know, similar to like we saw with zoning where an aunt may come in and say,

2181
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,200
this is going to be allowed in every community, period.

2182
01:51:39,033 --> 01:51:41,900
And May would look at their guidelines to determine

2183
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:45,934
if they're going to advocate against that on behalf of the communities to remain,

2184
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,500
you know, independent in whether or not they're going to participate in that.

2185
01:51:50,867 --> 01:51:53,800
So they would, you know, oppose legislation

2186
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,767
that's a blanket in that case.

2187
01:51:56,934 --> 01:51:57,967
Well, I think that that's something

2188
01:51:57,967 --> 01:52:03,000
that we would all have to be aligned on because, I mean, we're only one state

2189
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,367
in this area and the basically does not sell like cannabis, for instance.

2190
01:52:06,734 --> 01:52:08,500
And that is a revenue generating source.

2191
01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:10,066
But I

2192
01:52:10,066 --> 01:52:13,700
think the point is that if they passed it at the state level, they wouldn't.

2193
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:17,100
And they were trying to say that everybody now had to do it.

2194
01:52:17,166 --> 01:52:20,266
Now it would push that we as Goffstown

2195
01:52:20,266 --> 01:52:24,066
selectboard or people would get to decide whether we wanted to sell it,

2196
01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:27,800
not have the state sit there and say, everybody has to, you can't stop.

2197
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:29,533
And that's the way it is.

2198
01:52:29,533 --> 01:52:32,266
Goffstown decides what happens to the town, right?

2199
01:52:32,266 --> 01:52:33,800
And that's why, in the red line,

2200
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,867
you see that it actually moved from one category to another.

2201
01:52:36,867 --> 01:52:38,200
It used to be opposes.

2202
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:42,166
Now it supports in that they're saying it's becoming more likely

2203
01:52:42,166 --> 01:52:44,667
that we're seeing more illnesses related to this.

2204
01:52:44,667 --> 01:52:49,000
However, if you're going to pass something we would like to see these benchmarks.

2205
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,867
You know, we'd like to see, discussions about community impact fees or discussions

2206
01:52:53,867 --> 01:52:57,734
where a community could, you know, come up with an individual agreement.

2207
01:52:57,734 --> 01:52:59,367
And that's what these guidelines are for.

2208
01:52:59,367 --> 01:53:02,200
That's what I'm definitely behind. Like, I want the money.

2209
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:05,734
Like, yeah, that's what they're looking to advocate for the future.

2210
01:53:05,734 --> 01:53:09,700
But again, this is just their draft for all the community to consider.

2211
01:53:10,867 --> 01:53:11,634
Okay.

2212
01:53:11,634 --> 01:53:13,567
We'll have a discussion on that next. Yeah.

2213
01:53:13,567 --> 01:53:16,600
So if people if the board members can continue to look at this,

2214
01:53:17,367 --> 01:53:20,533
what we've done in the past, the board has options to,

2215
01:53:20,734 --> 01:53:24,400
you could grant broad authority to whoever your delegate is.

2216
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,400
I, I've been to the last couple and voted on those.

2217
01:53:27,734 --> 01:53:32,233
You could say we support all these proposals except for.

2218
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:35,500
We really don't like this one.

2219
01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:38,767
Because what happens on the day of is that everybody that's participating

2220
01:53:38,767 --> 01:53:39,900
goes up, sit around,

2221
01:53:39,900 --> 01:53:44,133
and they go through these one by one, and you do, like a card and vote.

2222
01:53:44,333 --> 01:53:47,333
Yeah.

2223
01:53:51,767 --> 01:53:54,900
I don't know if I saw any, I.

2224
01:53:57,767 --> 01:54:00,734
Don't remember seeing any of them.

2225
01:54:00,734 --> 01:54:03,700
I like data centers filled out.

2226
01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:06,767
I think there was some data centers under land use.

2227
01:54:06,767 --> 01:54:07,600
Here it is.

2228
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:11,200
Well, now there's an know pieces underneath.

2229
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,300
Legislation and information and technology.

2230
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:16,400
Right. You know, page 15, is there.

2231
01:54:23,333 --> 01:54:24,200
So there may be just a

2232
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,200
couple areas that we may want to lean into.

2233
01:54:28,533 --> 01:54:29,900
I know the Merrimack was

2234
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:32,900
it was Merrimack that had issue with like an ice facility or whatever.

2235
01:54:32,934 --> 01:54:33,433
Yeah.

2236
01:54:33,433 --> 01:54:36,433
Yeah.

2237
01:54:39,367 --> 01:54:42,367
Okay. 88.

2238
01:54:43,867 --> 01:54:44,066
Yeah.

2239
01:54:44,066 --> 01:54:47,433
So this is the electricity supply in results.

2240
01:54:47,433 --> 01:54:49,800
Analyst Danielle she's been working on that.

2241
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,567
So I passed out an updated sheet

2242
01:54:53,567 --> 01:54:56,567
to everyone with today's most recent figures

2243
01:54:58,066 --> 01:54:59,734
from not sure Trenton as well.

2244
01:54:59,734 --> 01:55:02,734
That does differ from what we had.

2245
01:55:03,266 --> 01:55:04,433
It actually went down a little bit.

2246
01:55:04,433 --> 01:55:07,467
So we're happy for that.

2247
01:55:07,667 --> 01:55:09,767
At this point

2248
01:55:09,767 --> 01:55:12,266
we are recommending a 48 month

2249
01:55:12,266 --> 01:55:15,266
contract looking at the market.

2250
01:55:15,266 --> 01:55:17,700
So on the large sheet, we're

2251
01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:23,066
recommending the FCM adjustable first point power 48 month contract

2252
01:55:23,634 --> 01:55:27,533
at a, point 1 to 1

2253
01:55:27,934 --> 01:55:31,834
zero seven per kilowatt hour rate. So

2254
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:33,233
obviously the

2255
01:55:33,233 --> 01:55:36,233
utilities always go out several digits.

2256
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:39,734
And those rates are pretty complex.

2257
01:55:40,133 --> 01:55:43,700
I've looked through everything with our consultant,

2258
01:55:43,700 --> 01:55:47,600
and that has been a huge help, because having the expertise within

2259
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,266
the industry has made a big difference in what we're actually looking at.

2260
01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:55,934
Because as you'll see, it's in the full bid stack, which is the grid on the right.

2261
01:55:56,300 --> 01:55:58,066
It's not the lowest bid.

2262
01:55:58,066 --> 01:56:01,634
But the reason is it's the most stable, and it has,

2263
01:56:01,700 --> 01:56:06,066
the longest, stability rate for the town.

2264
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:09,533
So if you look out for years, even though some of these other ones,

2265
01:56:10,233 --> 01:56:13,233
that are near it are also 48 month terms,

2266
01:56:13,266 --> 01:56:17,867
they have FCM and DC adjustable, which can really skew their data.

2267
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:22,967
And so smartest energy we felt was coming in a little bit

2268
01:56:23,667 --> 01:56:27,600
under bid actually when you consider what's built into their rates.

2269
01:56:28,066 --> 01:56:31,066
And I'm happy to to explain that, we have some visuals here

2270
01:56:31,066 --> 01:56:33,166
that also can explain the market. And the rate pulled out.

2271
01:56:35,233 --> 01:56:37,967
So it says adjustable rate you we're doing 48 months.

2272
01:56:37,967 --> 01:56:39,767
Is that 48 months at that.

2273
01:56:39,767 --> 01:56:42,934
So only the FCM component is adjustable.

2274
01:56:42,934 --> 01:56:45,934
So if you look in your packet at the

2275
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:50,033
the fold out section,

2276
01:56:50,033 --> 01:56:53,000
the last large page of your fold out

2277
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,000
has a bar chart.

2278
01:56:56,667 --> 01:56:58,066
And so what

2279
01:56:58,066 --> 01:57:01,066
we're looking at, in those rates,

2280
01:57:01,500 --> 01:57:04,400
the blue portion

2281
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,400
is the actual electrical supply.

2282
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:11,300
The FCM is the little orange component.

2283
01:57:11,967 --> 01:57:14,767
The daisy is the light blue.

2284
01:57:14,767 --> 01:57:18,066
And then you have a few other ancillaries,

2285
01:57:18,266 --> 01:57:20,533
administrative adders, things like that.

2286
01:57:20,533 --> 01:57:23,133
So we're locking in.

2287
01:57:23,133 --> 01:57:24,567
The majority of the rate.

2288
01:57:24,567 --> 01:57:29,500
There's only one component that could still mobilize, and that's the FCM, which,

2289
01:57:30,667 --> 01:57:32,467
that's

2290
01:57:32,467 --> 01:57:34,634
a piece that, only has the ability

2291
01:57:34,634 --> 01:57:37,767
to adjust, once or twice a year.

2292
01:57:37,767 --> 01:57:39,867
It's actually going to be changing in June of 28.

2293
01:57:39,867 --> 01:57:42,800
So FCM stands for the for capacity market.

2294
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:48,433
Currently there's an annual auction where all utility generators base

2295
01:57:48,433 --> 01:57:52,834
their operational costs and they submit that to the regulator.

2296
01:57:52,834 --> 01:57:57,567
And they have to project three years out of what their operational cost will be.

2297
01:57:57,567 --> 01:58:01,867
And then the regulator sets this FCM rate that gets built into

2298
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:03,700
any rate that's offered.

2299
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:05,867
And then

2300
01:58:05,867 --> 01:58:10,166
starting in June of 2028, they're switching from a three year

2301
01:58:10,166 --> 01:58:13,166
projection to a twice a year seasonal projection.

2302
01:58:13,433 --> 01:58:18,066
And because of that, it would be able that piece of the rate could adjust.

2303
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:23,533
But it won't adjust until at least post June 2028.

2304
01:58:24,033 --> 01:58:29,166
And then we'd see an adjustment, potentially for the winter of 28 into 29.

2305
01:58:29,266 --> 01:58:33,567
And that would maybe one more after that.

2306
01:58:33,867 --> 01:58:36,867
If the four year sanction issue.

2307
01:58:38,266 --> 01:58:40,033
So it's a pretty small amount.

2308
01:58:40,033 --> 01:58:43,200
And looking at the projectors and everything in the market,

2309
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:47,200
we're expecting that that adjustment may only amount to something like $1,500

2310
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:50,200
in year three, which is not a huge swing.

2311
01:58:50,433 --> 01:58:53,400
And obviously when we do our budget,

2312
01:58:54,266 --> 01:58:58,867
each year we have the opportunity to adjust for things that we're expecting that.

2313
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:13,233
So if the rates do change,

2314
01:59:13,233 --> 01:59:16,233
then we can go back and go to the market if it gets too high.

2315
01:59:16,233 --> 01:59:18,500
So what I'm reading here

2316
01:59:18,500 --> 01:59:21,400
know, what it is, is

2317
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:25,033
the regulator is going to change a component of the rate,

2318
01:59:25,900 --> 01:59:28,433
but we would still be locked in with that same supplier.

2319
01:59:28,433 --> 01:59:31,700
It's just it wouldn't be changing every bill cycle or anything like that.

2320
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:35,333
It would change once, maybe twice during the term of the whole contract.

2321
01:59:35,333 --> 01:59:36,634
And the other comment that happens is

2322
01:59:36,634 --> 01:59:40,166
if the rates are more than 10% above the initial rate of return.

2323
01:59:40,166 --> 01:59:43,800
So you're saying that's me if if you are tomorrow these rates.

2324
01:59:43,834 --> 01:59:45,133
Okay, so what. Yeah.

2325
01:59:45,133 --> 01:59:50,533
What we're seeking is authorization to have panel act on this

2326
01:59:50,533 --> 01:59:53,533
because these rates that you have here are going to change

2327
01:59:53,967 --> 01:59:56,467
that when they report tomorrow. Gotcha.

2328
01:59:57,567 --> 01:59:58,200
Yeah.

2329
01:59:58,200 --> 01:59:59,900
What time do they run.

2330
01:59:59,900 --> 02:00:02,867
So every single day when they go to lock in,

2331
02:00:03,066 --> 02:00:06,200
there's a different rate based on almost like the New York Stock Exchange.

2332
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:07,867
Like it's constantly changing.

2333
02:00:07,867 --> 02:00:10,300
That's why we got these rates today.

2334
02:00:10,300 --> 02:00:14,967
The rates in your packet, which were higher, were actually from Thursday.

2335
02:00:15,100 --> 02:00:17,667
So just a few days makes a difference.

2336
02:00:17,667 --> 02:00:18,066
On average.

2337
02:00:18,066 --> 02:00:19,734
What time do they change the rates though?

2338
02:00:19,734 --> 02:00:22,600
They don't change them at a specific time, I believe it.

2339
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,600
It's like 9 a.m. or something like that.

2340
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,600
So we wouldn't be able to get in before they change the rates

2341
02:00:29,767 --> 02:00:31,734
to means to get to get this one.

2342
02:00:31,734 --> 02:00:32,900
Yeah. It is possible. Yeah.

2343
02:00:32,900 --> 02:00:36,600
They that tomorrow morning like I send off the information tonight

2344
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:40,500
and they lock it in first thing and normally they do approve it

2345
02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:43,000
barring anything absolutely insane happens overnight.

2346
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:44,233
That flips the market up. Yeah. Yeah.

2347
02:00:44,233 --> 02:00:46,533
You mean like a locking.

2348
02:00:46,533 --> 02:00:46,900
Yeah.

2349
02:00:46,900 --> 02:00:49,533
I mean or something like that happened tonight specifically.

2350
02:00:49,533 --> 02:00:52,533
I would probably be back to you because it would be more than a 10% swing.

2351
02:00:53,100 --> 02:00:55,333
I make a motion to authorize. This is a town that's right.

2352
02:00:55,333 --> 02:00:55,834
To coordinate

2353
02:00:55,834 --> 02:00:59,567
the competitive energy services, to accept the lowest state bid

2354
02:00:59,567 --> 02:01:03,467
for electric supply over a 36 or 48 month period, and to authorize

2355
02:01:03,467 --> 02:01:06,767
the assistant town administrator to assign the necessary paperwork,

2356
02:01:07,767 --> 02:01:08,734
with either the current

2357
02:01:08,734 --> 02:01:11,734
supplier or the low bidder, as presented.

2358
02:01:12,500 --> 02:01:16,000
I second the motion by Josh, second by Allison.

2359
02:01:16,700 --> 02:01:19,400
Any more comments? Favor.

2360
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:22,400
I think those guys have it.

2361
02:01:23,233 --> 02:01:26,233
Okay, so,

2362
02:01:27,033 --> 02:01:30,000
at, tab ATF,

2363
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:33,367
part of the Cdbg, grant application.

2364
02:01:34,033 --> 02:01:37,033
They do require us to,

2365
02:01:37,900 --> 02:01:42,233
put out a RFP for who's going to do the grant writing services.

2366
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:47,233
The town received, three, submittals, for this,

2367
02:01:47,734 --> 02:01:50,600
one vendor submitted a very high cost,

2368
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:53,867
proposal for, just under $9,000.

2369
02:01:53,867 --> 02:01:56,867
One was a flat rate, proposal.

2370
02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:00,700
And one vendor proposed an hourly rate of $100 per hour.

2371
02:02:00,700 --> 02:02:02,367
But, we didn't.

2372
02:02:02,367 --> 02:02:06,166
It was very unclear on how many hours they would require.

2373
02:02:06,166 --> 02:02:07,667
They had initially posted.

2374
02:02:07,667 --> 02:02:09,367
They only required 20.

2375
02:02:09,367 --> 02:02:12,200
But, we were very concerned.

2376
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:15,400
We looked at, the experience these three vendors

2377
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:18,433
had, with Cdbg grant applications.

2378
02:02:19,433 --> 02:02:20,233
We also looked

2379
02:02:20,233 --> 02:02:24,100
at, experience with this project in particular.

2380
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:28,100
So, I'm making a recommendation this evening, chair

2381
02:02:28,166 --> 02:02:31,834
for grant writing services to be awarded to Donna Lane,

2382
02:02:32,667 --> 02:02:35,734
the Cdbg consultant located in Conway, New Hampshire.

2383
02:02:36,333 --> 02:02:38,000
So this is a couple of the general fund.

2384
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:43,967
And then this comes actually out of the CDG grant application only if awarded.

2385
02:02:43,967 --> 02:02:47,767
So that you this evening, you authorize this middle of the grant

2386
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:52,133
if it's awarded to grant writer who would actually write it after it gets awarded.

2387
02:02:52,367 --> 02:02:54,367
No, they write for it. Yes.

2388
02:02:54,367 --> 02:02:56,433
So what happens if we don't get the grant?

2389
02:02:56,433 --> 02:02:57,867
They don't get they don't get paid.

2390
02:02:57,867 --> 02:02:58,634
They don't get paid.

2391
02:02:58,634 --> 02:02:59,266
Correct. Okay.

2392
02:02:59,266 --> 02:03:02,433
So it's a contractual obligation that they have to win it in order to get paid.

2393
02:03:02,433 --> 02:03:03,567
Yes I love that.

2394
02:03:03,567 --> 02:03:03,900
Okay.

2395
02:03:03,900 --> 02:03:08,400
I'll make a motion to authorize town administrator engage,

2396
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,667
not a lane, in the grant writing process.

2397
02:03:11,667 --> 02:03:14,734
And to authorize the town administrator to sign any necessary work

2398
02:03:14,734 --> 02:03:18,000
related to the grant on behalf of the town, with the,

2399
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:22,300
understanding that the grant writer only gets paid by winning the second

2400
02:03:23,300 --> 02:03:25,266
motion by Josh, seconded by Mark.

2401
02:03:25,266 --> 02:03:27,033
Any further comments?

2402
02:03:27,033 --> 02:03:28,634
All in favor? Hi.

2403
02:03:28,634 --> 02:03:31,667
Those guys have it.

2404
02:03:34,533 --> 02:03:35,333
All ahead for the town

2405
02:03:35,333 --> 02:03:38,333
administrator's report.

2406
02:03:45,066 --> 02:03:48,066
So that would bring us to all business.

2407
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:56,000
The DPW fleet analysis.

2408
02:04:13,700 --> 02:04:14,667
Small handout.

2409
02:04:14,667 --> 02:04:17,767
Just pictures of the two particular

2410
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:21,400
solid waste vehicles that.

2411
02:04:22,300 --> 02:04:23,533
Charles saw program.

2412
02:04:23,533 --> 02:04:25,233
We talk about when that.

2413
02:04:25,233 --> 02:04:26,834
Okay. Okay.

2414
02:04:26,834 --> 02:04:28,000
Sorry.

2415
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,000
Okay.

2416
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:33,834
So thank you.

2417
02:04:33,834 --> 02:04:35,567
And I'll come

2418
02:04:35,567 --> 02:04:38,634
I'll try to give them, titles, but, just the first page is,

2419
02:04:38,634 --> 02:04:42,700
an example of our current, curbside pickup truck.

2420
02:04:42,700 --> 02:04:46,734
And then the bottom would be, rental unit, similar body style.

2421
02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:48,734
And then on the second.

2422
02:04:48,734 --> 02:04:51,734
So when we talk about curbside packers or Packer trucks,

2423
02:04:51,734 --> 02:04:54,867
our curbside collection trucks, that's, that's what we're talking about.

2424
02:04:54,867 --> 02:04:57,867
Now, on the second page, is, top

2425
02:04:57,867 --> 02:05:02,000
is our existing, semi tractor semi tractor

2426
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:06,400
trailer truck with, roll off trailer so that that large trailer,

2427
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,834
is able to grab and, lift our,

2428
02:05:10,934 --> 02:05:14,867
demolition and metal, containers, large metal containers.

2429
02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:18,600
It's transfer station for under the trailer and deliver

2430
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:21,800
those to, the ultimate, disposal sites.

2431
02:05:23,500 --> 02:05:26,266
In the bottom would be a sample of a combination.

2432
02:05:26,266 --> 02:05:27,867
Roll off truck.

2433
02:05:27,867 --> 02:05:30,867
So that's what we've been looking to go to the last couple of years with CIP.

2434
02:05:30,867 --> 02:05:35,867
Would be to replace that larger, combination unit, which requires a class

2435
02:05:35,867 --> 02:05:41,834
A CDL, very unwieldy, high maintenance item with, with the, with the trailer.

2436
02:05:41,834 --> 02:05:44,967
And it's kind of a one off larger than the standard size.

2437
02:05:44,967 --> 02:05:47,367
So we have bigger containers than most anybody else.

2438
02:05:47,367 --> 02:05:48,600
I can't just call somebody else

2439
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,066
to come and grab our container because they're so big.

2440
02:05:51,066 --> 02:05:53,800
If the truck goes down, we're kind of stuck.

2441
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:55,634
If the trailer goes down, I should say we're stuck.

2442
02:05:55,634 --> 02:05:59,867
So, we're looking to get to a smaller combination unit, which will require

2443
02:05:59,867 --> 02:06:02,367
some smaller containers, but it will provide

2444
02:06:02,367 --> 02:06:05,300
us a lot more flexibility with who can actually make those runs.

2445
02:06:05,300 --> 02:06:07,700
A class B CDL would only be required for this.

2446
02:06:07,700 --> 02:06:09,533
And I think everybody on staff has that.

2447
02:06:11,266 --> 02:06:16,367
And that would also be something that would be available for rental.

2448
02:06:16,367 --> 02:06:20,533
And the amount that we use the roll off trailer per week is not an everyday item.

2449
02:06:20,967 --> 02:06:23,000
It's as needed as those containers fill up.

2450
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:24,834
So certain times a year it slows down.

2451
02:06:24,834 --> 02:06:27,900
Of course, with demolition debris and, and metal.

2452
02:06:28,133 --> 02:06:31,667
But, we certainly, use

2453
02:06:31,667 --> 02:06:35,767
the truck itself is used to haul our solid waste trailers.

2454
02:06:35,767 --> 02:06:38,367
But it's a backup unit.

2455
02:06:38,367 --> 02:06:42,000
We can rent a semi tractor without too much trouble.

2456
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:46,367
That has a regular fourth wheel hitch for those solid waste, transfer trailers.

2457
02:06:46,533 --> 02:06:50,133
We can't rent a roll off trailer of that big.

2458
02:06:50,700 --> 02:06:52,600
So that's kind of a limiting factor there.

2459
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:56,166
So, the idea with that would be on the roll off truck.

2460
02:06:56,166 --> 02:06:59,767
We get a little more flexibility of use, but also, a little more standardized.

2461
02:06:59,767 --> 02:07:03,433
So if that one on one unit does go down, we can we have backup options available.

2462
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:05,800
So sorry, I gotta

2463
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,800
have myself, but I wanted to describe what I handed out to you.

2464
02:07:09,834 --> 02:07:12,233
So I don't know,

2465
02:07:12,233 --> 02:07:14,166
what's board, intended?

2466
02:07:14,166 --> 02:07:17,166
Do you want me to just kind of run through the

2467
02:07:17,433 --> 02:07:19,934
executive overview of kind of what

2468
02:07:19,934 --> 02:07:22,200
what sort of things we're dealing with in DPW

2469
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:24,967
and what options might be open to us, or do you have specific questions?

2470
02:07:24,967 --> 02:07:27,033
Just want to get right to it or what?

2471
02:07:27,033 --> 02:07:28,900
What was your thought?

2472
02:07:28,900 --> 02:07:32,834
I think I am I did the best try to explain what you told me last time.

2473
02:07:33,066 --> 02:07:34,233
Maybe you can kind of go through

2474
02:07:34,233 --> 02:07:36,867
some of the things that you and I talked on the phone. Sure.

2475
02:07:36,867 --> 02:07:40,834
Recommendations that you think we should be doing now and also in the future. Yep.

2476
02:07:40,967 --> 02:07:42,600
Maybe could help us.

2477
02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:43,600
Can do so.

2478
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:46,433
All right. Stop me from getting too long winded. That never happens.

2479
02:07:46,433 --> 02:07:49,734
So, in general,

2480
02:07:49,734 --> 02:07:53,834
I'm on my page two is kind of the list of our big ticket items and equipment.

2481
02:07:53,834 --> 02:07:59,734
As you see, we have quite a few, 67 I think is the final count of the big stuff.

2482
02:07:59,734 --> 02:08:00,867
That's CIP tracked.

2483
02:08:00,867 --> 02:08:06,166
In general and that in general, we have always, proceeded with the pay

2484
02:08:06,166 --> 02:08:06,834
as you go model.

2485
02:08:06,834 --> 02:08:11,900
So we have enough that it's usually if CFP was progressing as planned,

2486
02:08:11,900 --> 02:08:17,266
we were able to spread those out and keep a reasonably good replacement

2487
02:08:17,266 --> 02:08:21,100
cycle, and without large fluctuations year to year.

2488
02:08:21,433 --> 02:08:24,300
The problem begins to,

2489
02:08:24,300 --> 02:08:28,066
come about when CFP gets deferred or, or, you know,

2490
02:08:28,367 --> 02:08:31,066
that equipment that chief talks about going up 28% in

2491
02:08:31,066 --> 02:08:32,900
just a couple of years, that kind of thing.

2492
02:08:32,900 --> 02:08:35,700
As we get farther behind now, we're starting to stack,

2493
02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:38,700
and we've seen some pretty good increases in now

2494
02:08:38,734 --> 02:08:42,333
what going forward, CFP has to look like each year to keep, keep up.

2495
02:08:42,533 --> 02:08:45,767
And at the end of that table that you've got, I've also got

2496
02:08:45,767 --> 02:08:48,767
the kind of age at replacement versus what,

2497
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:53,533
what our, our pretty generous replacement, targets are.

2498
02:08:53,533 --> 02:08:57,333
So, a couple of years, after I got here, I extended a lot of the

2499
02:08:57,333 --> 02:09:00,400
replacement cycles, for some of the smaller trucks in particular.

2500
02:09:00,500 --> 02:09:05,133
But, at some point, you can't pull out everything forever.

2501
02:09:05,133 --> 02:09:09,233
So even with our extended cycles, we're still going to be be on target

2502
02:09:09,233 --> 02:09:12,400
by the time, those units come up for replacement.

2503
02:09:12,500 --> 02:09:15,934
Even if every single item that's in CIP makes it to the budget,

2504
02:09:15,934 --> 02:09:17,567
and the budget passes.

2505
02:09:17,567 --> 02:09:20,567
So, we're coming up against some loggerheads.

2506
02:09:20,734 --> 02:09:25,934
And where it's also a, issue is the operating budget.

2507
02:09:25,934 --> 02:09:29,066
So we have aging equipment, we have fleet mechanics,

2508
02:09:29,066 --> 02:09:32,533
very capable, but there's big stuff that comes along, and it's okay.

2509
02:09:32,567 --> 02:09:34,867
Do I put, everything else aside?

2510
02:09:34,867 --> 02:09:37,900
The regular maintenance of the department to work on this truck?

2511
02:09:37,900 --> 02:09:39,433
It might take ten hours.

2512
02:09:39,433 --> 02:09:40,667
It might be a diagnostic issue.

2513
02:09:40,667 --> 02:09:43,367
We don't even have the capability in-house to to handle.

2514
02:09:44,667 --> 02:09:47,700
So when you send something out that cost goes up.

2515
02:09:48,033 --> 02:09:52,033
Some of the just as kind of a general, kind of sense of where

2516
02:09:52,033 --> 02:09:55,300
we're spending some of these, funds, especially solid waste, fleet maintenance.

2517
02:09:55,700 --> 02:09:59,166
So these curbside packers, the older they get, they,

2518
02:09:59,166 --> 02:10:03,200
we are spending, you know, 20 to 25,000 a year

2519
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:07,467
in some cases, on very large repairs, usually emissions related.

2520
02:10:07,467 --> 02:10:11,166
It's all expensive stuff, but, but the arms break down the,

2521
02:10:11,166 --> 02:10:12,467
the automated, you know, Packer,

2522
02:10:12,467 --> 02:10:13,734
the floor is going to get redone.

2523
02:10:13,734 --> 02:10:16,867
So the longer we hold on to those that annual maintenance

2524
02:10:16,867 --> 02:10:18,967
spend increases as well.

2525
02:10:18,967 --> 02:10:21,066
We start to see that at about year ten.

2526
02:10:21,066 --> 02:10:24,900
So once we've held on to something for ten years, it really the cost

2527
02:10:24,900 --> 02:10:27,900
per year starts to go up each year.

2528
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:33,100
So, our, our cost of maintenance, town wide has gone up.

2529
02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:33,934
It's a little slower.

2530
02:10:33,934 --> 02:10:36,934
We've only seen only we only seen a 20% change in the last

2531
02:10:36,934 --> 02:10:41,066
five years, but, versus a 55% change in the actual

2532
02:10:41,066 --> 02:10:45,967
purchase, prices of things and the the stacking effect we've had with CIP.

2533
02:10:46,900 --> 02:10:50,266
But looking at, kind of where we, where we might be able to make some inroads,

2534
02:10:50,500 --> 02:10:55,467
I don't think anybody loves the fact that we have, four curbside trucks.

2535
02:10:55,467 --> 02:11:00,066
It's kind of a, we held on to the outgoing truck a few years ago because we.

2536
02:11:00,066 --> 02:11:04,667
And we experienced so many breakdowns with that, that very often we're

2537
02:11:04,667 --> 02:11:09,634
stuck with no backup truck, and the two on the road are not driving all that well.

2538
02:11:09,634 --> 02:11:14,333
So everybody just kind of, you know, I'm probably not the wrong, additive, but,

2539
02:11:14,333 --> 02:11:17,400
you know, we're all holding our breath waiting for the next breakdown.

2540
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,533
In that point, are we going to defer, curbside collection?

2541
02:11:20,533 --> 02:11:21,100
Are we going to have

2542
02:11:21,100 --> 02:11:24,200
to, you know, come in on a weekend to pick up that kind of stuff happens.

2543
02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:27,200
And, and it's hard to pick up a phone and have a,

2544
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:30,400
curbside truck at your door, you know, immediately.

2545
02:11:30,667 --> 02:11:33,467
So, looking at a few things,

2546
02:11:33,467 --> 02:11:36,567
there's, the biggest, probably, company

2547
02:11:36,567 --> 02:11:40,100
that provides, service, here is big truck rental.

2548
02:11:40,700 --> 02:11:41,967
They have a couple different plans.

2549
02:11:41,967 --> 02:11:44,667
That I'm going to recommend we take advantage of.

2550
02:11:44,667 --> 02:11:47,433
For our, our frontline trucks.

2551
02:11:47,433 --> 02:11:50,100
They have a, complete fleet program.

2552
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:54,433
They call it, and it's it's just a annual rental, annual rental payments.

2553
02:11:55,467 --> 02:11:56,834
But, every

2554
02:11:56,834 --> 02:11:59,834
truck you get is, you know, 0 to 6 months old.

2555
02:11:59,934 --> 02:12:02,100
Hardly any hours on them.

2556
02:12:02,100 --> 02:12:03,600
They're all still under warranty.

2557
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:07,734
So any repairs that any, you know, not preventative maintenance and repairs

2558
02:12:07,734 --> 02:12:09,333
that have to happen are under warranty.

2559
02:12:09,333 --> 02:12:11,233
So you're not paying for that as a customer.

2560
02:12:11,233 --> 02:12:15,133
The company is, if the vehicle goes down,

2561
02:12:15,133 --> 02:12:17,800
you're going to credits for that time that it's down towards your rent.

2562
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:20,400
So you're actually spending less for your rental, for that vehicle.

2563
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:23,900
If it's down for, you know, a couple days or a week or whatever, they have a

2564
02:12:24,266 --> 02:12:27,000
because you're a customer with this program, they have a backup unit

2565
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:30,166
that they can get on the road to you, to cover.

2566
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:36,033
If it does turn into an extended repair, in the overall spend,

2567
02:12:36,033 --> 02:12:39,967
although you're, on the hook for an annual rental payment,

2568
02:12:39,967 --> 02:12:44,667
and it's a pretty good size number, it's $130,000 a year for each curbside truck.

2569
02:12:45,500 --> 02:12:49,967
But when you start looking at the cost of, for trucks replacing those for trucks,

2570
02:12:49,967 --> 02:12:53,567
even on an extended cycle, like we have the cost of maintenance,

2571
02:12:55,100 --> 02:12:55,967
you know,

2572
02:12:55,967 --> 02:13:01,000
out over the life of a CIP, it's pretty darn close to the, the same amount.

2573
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,900
And what you're getting in return is buy more highly reliable vehicles,

2574
02:13:05,166 --> 02:13:06,166
fewer of them.

2575
02:13:06,166 --> 02:13:10,066
So if you have a, you know, try to keep fleet size as low.

2576
02:13:10,066 --> 02:13:11,333
Of course, that is a concern.

2577
02:13:11,333 --> 02:13:14,333
So, I'd like to go from a four truck

2578
02:13:14,333 --> 02:13:17,333
owned model to a two truck rental model.

2579
02:13:17,433 --> 02:13:20,433
Paying that full rental price for two vehicles.

2580
02:13:20,767 --> 02:13:22,567
But they have another program, which is great.

2581
02:13:22,567 --> 02:13:25,567
I sort of hinted at it with the roll off truck.

2582
02:13:25,667 --> 02:13:28,367
They have an onsite, rental by the hour.

2583
02:13:28,367 --> 02:13:30,200
So for a third truck.

2584
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:33,233
So we will now have three trucks all about the same, you know, brand new.

2585
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:37,033
They'll let you keep it on site, and you don't pay anything

2586
02:13:37,033 --> 02:13:40,033
except the cost to get the driver to drop it off at your door

2587
02:13:40,233 --> 02:13:42,834
if you need that truck to be put into service.

2588
02:13:43,834 --> 02:13:45,867
They have it on their survival.

2589
02:13:45,867 --> 02:13:49,333
It's just, automatic vehicle location system, but also, you scan and,

2590
02:13:49,900 --> 02:13:51,400
to be able to,

2591
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:52,867
coordinate the billing at the end of the month

2592
02:13:52,867 --> 02:13:55,100
and make sure you're getting Bill for the right number of hours.

2593
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:59,400
They, if you use it ten hours last month, they're going to bill you, for 50 bucks

2594
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:00,667
an hour. For ten hours.

2595
02:14:00,667 --> 02:14:01,567
Yeah.

2596
02:14:01,567 --> 02:14:04,233
If you didn't need a pickup truck because you're two new trucks

2597
02:14:04,233 --> 02:14:07,033
that they sent, you are in great shape and they haven't had any downtime.

2598
02:14:07,033 --> 02:14:11,000
You pay nothing for that month for to have a third truck hot standby.

2599
02:14:11,266 --> 02:14:13,000
Nothing wrong with it. It's brand new.

2600
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,533
They will call you at some point in the 18 to 24 month window

2601
02:14:17,166 --> 02:14:20,266
and say, this is the time where we want to sell these vehicles.

2602
02:14:20,467 --> 02:14:22,667
We're going to have a new truck sent your way.

2603
02:14:22,667 --> 02:14:26,900
So they they handle that part of things, but, it seems like an okay,

2604
02:14:26,900 --> 02:14:30,433
so you're going to have a truck that's in hand longer than 24 months.

2605
02:14:31,300 --> 02:14:34,033
Which to our mechanics, obviously, they're,

2606
02:14:36,033 --> 02:14:37,233
in love with this idea,

2607
02:14:37,233 --> 02:14:40,433
because of the amount of different things that we have to do to these trucks.

2608
02:14:40,433 --> 02:14:42,467
Keep them on the road.

2609
02:14:42,467 --> 02:14:45,367
The, preventive maintenance would be,

2610
02:14:45,367 --> 02:14:47,367
the responsibility of us while we while waiting on them.

2611
02:14:47,367 --> 02:14:50,667
So for the backup truck, there's probably not a whole lot of preventive maintenance

2612
02:14:50,667 --> 02:14:51,600
that's going to be triggered.

2613
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:54,600
Because it just won't get that many hours while we would have it.

2614
02:14:54,634 --> 02:14:56,467
But for the front line trucks, you know,

2615
02:14:56,467 --> 02:14:59,667
the tires, the fluids, that kind of thing would be our responsibility.

2616
02:15:00,734 --> 02:15:03,000
But as I mentioned, they're they're all under warranty.

2617
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,333
So the the, you're capping the potential,

2618
02:15:06,467 --> 02:15:09,567
cost at a reasonable number.

2619
02:15:09,567 --> 02:15:11,367
You've got your rental and you've got your PM cost.

2620
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,100
So I think it'd be a pretty good,

2621
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:17,100
way to jump right into this.

2622
02:15:18,166 --> 02:15:20,900
Right out of the gate with units that are already do or overdue

2623
02:15:20,900 --> 02:15:24,600
for replacement, we could, shrink the fleet size and,

2624
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:28,667
cut down on our annual spend, at least for the curbside, trucks

2625
02:15:28,667 --> 02:15:31,367
right out of the gate. So that'll be, first item.

2626
02:15:31,367 --> 02:15:36,967
A recommendation would be to, look at developing that model.

2627
02:15:36,967 --> 02:15:40,100
Now, as far as implementation timeline, I'll,

2628
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:43,567
I'll mention something here about financing and budget and the thing.

2629
02:15:43,567 --> 02:15:47,200
So the big downside with going from a pay as you go model

2630
02:15:47,266 --> 02:15:52,266
to any kind of lease rental, is that you no longer have an asset in hand.

2631
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:55,433
So, we need some kind of way

2632
02:15:55,433 --> 02:15:58,767
or assurances that, next year

2633
02:15:58,767 --> 02:16:03,066
there's not a defunding of all the equipment, rental.

2634
02:16:03,066 --> 02:16:05,600
I mean, I could do whatever the town wants to do, I guess, at the voters.

2635
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:05,767
Right.

2636
02:16:05,767 --> 02:16:09,233
But, we want to be able to still maintain,

2637
02:16:09,233 --> 02:16:13,800
service without having to worry each and every single year

2638
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:17,066
about how we're going to fund the truck rental payments.

2639
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,000
What I would recommend is that we look into developing

2640
02:16:21,333 --> 02:16:25,600
or, putting on the ballot on a for 27, a, special revenue fund,

2641
02:16:25,867 --> 02:16:29,000
which would allow, the either

2642
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:35,033
just DPW, I guess, or the whole town, all departments to, capture any revenue

2643
02:16:35,033 --> 02:16:40,133
from selling surplus equipment, vehicles or equipment, and have that revenue

2644
02:16:40,133 --> 02:16:43,233
in, deposited automatically into the special Revenue Fund,

2645
02:16:43,867 --> 02:16:46,867
which would then provide seed money and annual operating,

2646
02:16:47,100 --> 02:16:49,900
funds to the board to be the agents to expand.

2647
02:16:49,900 --> 02:16:51,533
And then we could pull

2648
02:16:51,533 --> 02:16:55,367
at least until we run out of equipment to sell in ten, 12 years.

2649
02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:59,100
We could be pulling for the rental payments out of out of those proceeds.

2650
02:16:59,333 --> 02:17:00,500
So that would be a good way to have,

2651
02:17:01,533 --> 02:17:03,000
maybe zero, or

2652
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:06,300
low impact to the operating budget and capital budget

2653
02:17:06,900 --> 02:17:09,867
and still be able to get that fleet turnover.

2654
02:17:10,233 --> 02:17:12,467
With the pre, market difference.

2655
02:17:12,467 --> 02:17:15,367
So if you kind of take that, without getting to specifics

2656
02:17:15,367 --> 02:17:17,834
for other vehicles, if you take that, approach

2657
02:17:17,834 --> 02:17:21,700
with some of the recommendations, we can go from turning over,

2658
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:25,900
you know, six, 5 or 6 pieces of equipment in year one of CIP.

2659
02:17:26,333 --> 02:17:31,533
You know, we could do 15, 20, you know, and really get up

2660
02:17:31,533 --> 02:17:34,667
on, get everything back into cycle,

2661
02:17:34,667 --> 02:17:37,967
and still have a lower end result at the, at the end of the year.

2662
02:17:38,333 --> 02:17:41,333
As far as the overall spend,

2663
02:17:41,433 --> 02:17:44,367
where the rental payments start to come in is once

2664
02:17:44,367 --> 02:17:46,033
you start to turn over the whole fleet

2665
02:17:46,033 --> 02:17:48,834
and now you're, you're renting multiple pieces of equipment.

2666
02:17:48,834 --> 02:17:51,700
But the last few years of CIP, it starts to catch up

2667
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:55,934
and actually overtake the, the current pay as you go model projections.

2668
02:17:56,667 --> 02:18:00,567
But I think we all know what I'm projecting CIP for the next five years.

2669
02:18:00,567 --> 02:18:01,433
There's zero chance

2670
02:18:01,433 --> 02:18:04,433
that 100% of those five is going to make it all the way anyway. So,

2671
02:18:05,767 --> 02:18:07,333
you know, just the way things go.

2672
02:18:07,333 --> 02:18:12,166
So, I think it's a pretty, pretty, good way to fast track

2673
02:18:12,166 --> 02:18:14,467
and especially catch up on some of the things have been deferred.

2674
02:18:14,467 --> 02:18:16,533
So that's a big one to target.

2675
02:18:16,533 --> 02:18:19,533
So I hope we could do the rental

2676
02:18:20,166 --> 02:18:24,066
50 hour, $50 an hour now, Ken, and actually have,

2677
02:18:24,066 --> 02:18:27,700
because because that's, no, you know, it's in the

2678
02:18:28,233 --> 02:18:29,634
we start about purchasing limits early.

2679
02:18:29,634 --> 02:18:31,667
That that's an easy one because it's a no brainer.

2680
02:18:31,667 --> 02:18:35,100
We can now, we have set this up.

2681
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:38,900
We've got a unit sitting on site just waiting for a need to be used

2682
02:18:38,900 --> 02:18:39,800
at some point.

2683
02:18:39,800 --> 02:18:43,934
But what that allows us to do is, the next time

2684
02:18:43,934 --> 02:18:47,367
there's a major break down and one of the, you know, the front line or the back

2685
02:18:47,367 --> 02:18:49,700
backup trucks, we can now make that decision. What?

2686
02:18:49,700 --> 02:18:51,266
What's the delivery fee of one of those?

2687
02:18:51,266 --> 02:18:54,867
I think it's like, so, you know, it's up to about 1700 bucks.

2688
02:18:55,300 --> 02:18:58,600
But now we can make the decision.

2689
02:18:58,600 --> 02:18:58,900
Okay.

2690
02:18:58,900 --> 02:19:01,900
If if the 2012 or the 2016 have an issue,

2691
02:19:02,533 --> 02:19:05,300
we're not sending that out for a $10,000 repair.

2692
02:19:05,300 --> 02:19:06,567
It's so it makes sense.

2693
02:19:06,567 --> 02:19:08,333
I just don't find the math.

2694
02:19:08,333 --> 02:19:10,100
Right. It's $50 an hour.

2695
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:13,100
You know, if we ran it 40 hours a week,

2696
02:19:13,533 --> 02:19:15,900
52 weeks out of the year, we.

2697
02:19:15,900 --> 02:19:17,233
Yeah, $1,700.

2698
02:19:17,233 --> 02:19:21,133
We're looking at my map, I'm hoping is right about 106,000 a year.

2699
02:19:21,834 --> 02:19:25,033
So why is it cheaper to rent by the hour than it is to rent?

2700
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,634
I would have to look back through what they've given me.

2701
02:19:28,634 --> 02:19:31,700
They do based the hourly rental on the Prorate

2702
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:34,867
assumptions of, of a one year rental. So,

2703
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:37,066
so we will

2704
02:19:37,066 --> 02:19:40,533
be using it more hours than 40 hours a week. No.

2705
02:19:42,333 --> 02:19:44,467
Is the rental house slightly smaller?

2706
02:19:44,467 --> 02:19:47,634
I'm just trying to tell, you know, the rental.

2707
02:19:47,634 --> 02:19:49,066
It is there.

2708
02:19:49,066 --> 02:19:52,066
So the rental you may have is two yards, smaller

2709
02:19:52,066 --> 02:19:55,066
on the body, but, they may.

2710
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:55,767
I'd have to.

2711
02:19:55,767 --> 02:19:59,033
I'd have to dig into the numbers, but they base the, the hourly rate

2712
02:19:59,033 --> 02:20:02,734
on a certain assumption of number of hours per unit, per year use.

2713
02:20:03,333 --> 02:20:07,934
So, so if we sold the oldest one now,

2714
02:20:08,900 --> 02:20:11,033
how much do we think we would get out of it?

2715
02:20:11,033 --> 02:20:12,433
Okay, so then we get it right.

2716
02:20:12,433 --> 02:20:13,467
We end of the revenue piece.

2717
02:20:13,467 --> 02:20:16,467
So, the way it's currently set up, any

2718
02:20:16,634 --> 02:20:20,266
any vehicle that's sold, proceeds go to the general fund.

2719
02:20:20,433 --> 02:20:20,734
Sure.

2720
02:20:20,734 --> 02:20:24,367
So, for the 2012,

2721
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:28,000
frankly, not not a whole heck of a lot.

2722
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:29,767
We're probably talking five figures,

2723
02:20:29,767 --> 02:20:32,567
but I'm not sure how much into the five figures.

2724
02:20:32,567 --> 02:20:35,567
Probably, you know, 15 to 20,000, I would guess.

2725
02:20:36,133 --> 02:20:39,600
But we haven't we haven't straight up sold one of these in a little bit.

2726
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:41,867
So I'm not sure about that.

2727
02:20:41,867 --> 02:20:45,100
Is that the one that has the broken glass issue with the recycling?

2728
02:20:45,100 --> 02:20:48,066
Yes, actually, that's the bad seal.

2729
02:20:48,066 --> 02:20:54,166
So, but right there there's an opportunity to, to if,

2730
02:20:54,200 --> 02:20:58,066
if the plan is to not repair this, if it's going to break down again,

2731
02:20:58,533 --> 02:21:01,467
do we need to have it sit until you know,

2732
02:21:01,467 --> 02:21:04,433
who knows when next year, until another one comes around?

2733
02:21:05,033 --> 02:21:08,100
Yes. I think it's a good option to at least sell the oldest truck.

2734
02:21:08,266 --> 02:21:10,000
Get that off the books.

2735
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:12,967
It won't be sitting around my housing it or whatever.

2736
02:21:12,967 --> 02:21:15,266
It's never going to be worth more than it is at this point.

2737
02:21:15,266 --> 02:21:19,634
And the need is not going to be there if we have, a third backup

2738
02:21:19,634 --> 02:21:23,200
truck in and plus this $50 an hour, if we needed it.

2739
02:21:23,500 --> 02:21:25,500
Truck. So

2740
02:21:26,467 --> 02:21:28,867
I think that would be a good way for you folks

2741
02:21:28,867 --> 02:21:32,133
to start working in the right direction with, with fleet sizing.

2742
02:21:32,133 --> 02:21:36,433
And also get some of the general fund, you know, revenue,

2743
02:21:36,834 --> 02:21:40,133
if you want to do something with that at tax rate setting timing for sure.

2744
02:21:40,634 --> 02:21:44,166
I would, recommend if we can

2745
02:21:44,166 --> 02:21:47,166
on most items, holding off if there is,

2746
02:21:47,433 --> 02:21:50,467
if the board does want to proceed with a special revenue fund,

2747
02:21:50,533 --> 02:21:53,800
we wouldn't want to sell off too much before that would happen,

2748
02:21:53,800 --> 02:21:54,533
because some of that,

2749
02:21:54,533 --> 02:21:55,800
the newer trucks in particular,

2750
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,800
would provide a good scene for that for those rental payments.

2751
02:21:58,900 --> 02:22:01,700
So, you know, for some of the

2752
02:22:01,700 --> 02:22:05,433
the major turnover items, I would, I would say we'd want to wait.

2753
02:22:05,634 --> 02:22:10,100
I can't afford to even a $60,000 rental payment on a front line.

2754
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:11,066
Of course.

2755
02:22:11,066 --> 02:22:13,734
Truck. Okay. Sure. So I wasn't fully there.

2756
02:22:13,734 --> 02:22:14,133
Right.

2757
02:22:14,133 --> 02:22:17,133
We end up, letting go of one and then trying to.

2758
02:22:17,266 --> 02:22:20,367
This rental program doesn't go so great, right.

2759
02:22:21,700 --> 02:22:22,567
So I think,

2760
02:22:22,567 --> 02:22:26,767
I think looking at the article first, they are if we get the goodbye

2761
02:22:26,767 --> 02:22:29,934
in with the, with the budget committee that the the town article passes,

2762
02:22:31,367 --> 02:22:34,567
that allows us to immediately, you know, start

2763
02:22:34,734 --> 02:22:38,400
start moving this, older trucks as they, as they're worth more now,

2764
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:41,800
and then,

2765
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:44,867
the other immediate item, I would recommend,

2766
02:22:45,767 --> 02:22:48,667
we we currently in the memo, I have some information about

2767
02:22:48,667 --> 02:22:51,667
how much we rent different equipment that we rent throughout the year.

2768
02:22:51,967 --> 02:22:54,367
We rent a mini excavator

2769
02:22:54,367 --> 02:22:58,300
for our highway crews, throughout the the construction season.

2770
02:22:58,367 --> 02:23:02,300
We can actually get a better,

2771
02:23:02,533 --> 02:23:05,533
price, by,

2772
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:09,000
financing that the cat offers a ten year.

2773
02:23:09,533 --> 02:23:13,100
Actually, seven isn't standard, but, for government that can go to ten years,

2774
02:23:14,367 --> 02:23:16,400
a ten year financing,

2775
02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:19,400
machine that will cost us less per year and have we'd have a big,

2776
02:23:19,667 --> 02:23:22,934
an excavator year round, instead of just the summer months.

2777
02:23:22,934 --> 02:23:25,767
And we'd spend less as a department for that.

2778
02:23:25,767 --> 02:23:27,367
So if, if the board wants to,

2779
02:23:27,367 --> 02:23:30,400
you know, move ahead with that, I would make that recommendation that we

2780
02:23:31,033 --> 02:23:34,066
turn back the, the leased, mini excavator

2781
02:23:34,066 --> 02:23:37,934
and proceed with the, the government, financing option.

2782
02:23:38,934 --> 02:23:40,934
How much have we spent on that already this year?

2783
02:23:40,934 --> 02:23:44,100
I think, probably about 20.

2784
02:23:44,934 --> 02:23:45,367
Yeah.

2785
02:23:45,367 --> 02:23:47,834
You know, if you already spent 20 grand on leasing on that.

2786
02:23:47,834 --> 02:23:50,834
Hey, I think we're either three months in or at least,

2787
02:23:51,634 --> 02:23:54,634
that one is up over,

2788
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:57,800
so having the other one would be about the same price we've already spent.

2789
02:23:58,367 --> 02:24:00,834
Yeah, I we'd so would it makes sense,

2790
02:24:01,934 --> 02:24:02,233
right.

2791
02:24:02,233 --> 02:24:05,233
Maybe makes sense to do it this year or next year.

2792
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:10,033
I think what we would only be paying for a partial year of the financing.

2793
02:24:10,033 --> 02:24:11,700
So, that's

2794
02:24:11,700 --> 02:24:14,567
I think it would make sense to do it sooner rather than later,

2795
02:24:14,567 --> 02:24:18,300
because every month we hang on to the the rental unit that costs us more than.

2796
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:21,000
And that would be an outright purchase.

2797
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:23,700
So, so they offer a, like a

2798
02:24:23,700 --> 02:24:26,900
ten year finance, but you can you can do an annual payment.

2799
02:24:26,900 --> 02:24:31,166
You could do monthly payments, but, they they're flexible with the terms of it.

2800
02:24:31,166 --> 02:24:33,934
But, they do have municipal appropriation clauses.

2801
02:24:33,934 --> 02:24:37,033
So that allows the board to take an action without going to town

2802
02:24:37,033 --> 02:24:40,634
meeting and saying, we need a ten year, you know, approval.

2803
02:24:41,467 --> 02:24:45,266
If the town decides not to fund, you know, in this case,

2804
02:24:45,266 --> 02:24:46,533
we take it out of the road plan.

2805
02:24:46,533 --> 02:24:50,433
It's usually road plan related, but downsize to unfun DPW,

2806
02:24:50,433 --> 02:24:53,467
and we just don't have the money we took out, and they come get it.

2807
02:24:54,400 --> 02:24:55,967
Okay, so it goes. Yeah.

2808
02:24:55,967 --> 02:24:57,967
So we don't own it at the end of ten years.

2809
02:24:57,967 --> 02:24:59,800
Or do they have like a dollar a year. Yep.

2810
02:24:59,800 --> 02:25:02,400
This was a buyout okay. So yeah yeah.

2811
02:25:03,400 --> 02:25:05,266
So it'd be cheaper to do that starting now.

2812
02:25:05,266 --> 02:25:08,266
Yeah. Then go with the other. Yeah.

2813
02:25:08,634 --> 02:25:09,567
Yeah that's a good idea.

2814
02:25:09,567 --> 02:25:11,467
How much is it a month.

2815
02:25:11,467 --> 02:25:13,834
So there

2816
02:25:13,834 --> 02:25:18,066
I have the monthly rate from them, but their annual

2817
02:25:19,100 --> 02:25:21,133
savings probably typically do it as an annual.

2818
02:25:21,133 --> 02:25:23,734
But we we know this first won't be. Yeah permanent.

2819
02:25:23,734 --> 02:25:26,700
So they're

2820
02:25:26,700 --> 02:25:29,400
sorry I got a bunch of different 4500 a month.

2821
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:30,333
But that's okay.

2822
02:25:30,333 --> 02:25:33,000
I'm I'm currently writing at 4500 a month.

2823
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:34,834
And this would be how much a month?

2824
02:25:34,834 --> 02:25:35,967
This depends.

2825
02:25:35,967 --> 02:25:38,300
So, little bit of spec.

2826
02:25:38,300 --> 02:25:42,367
TBD with with what size unit?

2827
02:25:42,367 --> 02:25:46,000
A a comparable size, but with tracks that gave me,

2828
02:25:46,100 --> 02:25:51,967
16,600 a year for 12 months and then,

2829
02:25:52,900 --> 02:25:55,934
a larger that would be.

2830
02:25:56,166 --> 02:25:57,900
So we're going to fall in the middle here, I'm guessing.

2831
02:25:57,900 --> 02:26:00,900
But the units that we currently have, the excavators, the larger ones,

2832
02:26:00,967 --> 02:26:04,200
that unit that comparable, you know, be 41,000 a year.

2833
02:26:05,634 --> 02:26:08,767
So compared to the mini excavator, it's like 1400

2834
02:26:08,767 --> 02:26:12,700
a month versus the 4500 that we're paying now.

2835
02:26:13,266 --> 02:26:16,333
But we're we normally give up the lease right,

2836
02:26:17,634 --> 02:26:18,734
right, right.

2837
02:26:18,734 --> 02:26:21,433
So how much more time would you normally be keeping with the lease.

2838
02:26:21,433 --> 02:26:24,867
So we normally we'll run third machine until,

2839
02:26:26,367 --> 02:26:27,834
almost until snow falls.

2840
02:26:27,834 --> 02:26:30,266
So, so probably November timeframe.

2841
02:26:30,266 --> 02:26:33,967
Thanksgiving is kind of like the mental health kind of end.

2842
02:26:33,967 --> 02:26:35,266
But so what are we got?

2843
02:26:35,266 --> 02:26:38,934
Like four more months basically give or take.

2844
02:26:38,967 --> 02:26:40,100
Yeah. Yeah.

2845
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:41,000
We were 18.

2846
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:43,300
So basically we still make up cheaper.

2847
02:26:43,300 --> 02:26:44,867
If we did

2848
02:26:44,867 --> 02:26:49,000
I'll make a motion to approve you, Adam, to proceed down that path.

2849
02:26:49,266 --> 02:26:50,734
Okay.

2850
02:26:50,734 --> 02:26:53,000
To move to,

2851
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:56,000
to the model of not,

2852
02:26:56,834 --> 02:26:58,567
not leasing or renting.

2853
02:26:58,567 --> 02:26:59,734
I don't know what we.

2854
02:26:59,734 --> 02:27:02,767
I guess a good motion would be, to utilize the source.

2855
02:27:02,767 --> 02:27:07,500
Well, cooperative purchasing agreement to finance, a mini excavator.

2856
02:27:07,800 --> 02:27:10,266
And and return.

2857
02:27:10,266 --> 02:27:13,233
Cease, cease the rental. Rental.

2858
02:27:13,233 --> 02:27:15,500
I'll make the motion as needed.

2859
02:27:15,500 --> 02:27:17,233
But he said that.

2860
02:27:17,233 --> 02:27:18,700
Okay. Motion by Joshua.

2861
02:27:18,700 --> 02:27:20,266
Thank you. And second, by Mark.

2862
02:27:21,333 --> 02:27:23,033
All in favor?

2863
02:27:23,033 --> 02:27:25,000
To return. Opposed.

2864
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:25,767
You went to the bathroom?

2865
02:27:25,767 --> 02:27:28,367
I think it about right.

2866
02:27:28,367 --> 02:27:28,667
Yeah.

2867
02:27:28,667 --> 02:27:31,667
So for for for eyes.

2868
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:34,266
So. Adam.

2869
02:27:34,266 --> 02:27:34,934
Okay.

2870
02:27:34,934 --> 02:27:37,934
If we got rid of,

2871
02:27:38,867 --> 02:27:41,133
Because you said you've already acted on

2872
02:27:41,133 --> 02:27:44,133
getting the standby. Yes.

2873
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:47,100
So really, if we got rid of the oldest truck

2874
02:27:47,100 --> 02:27:49,734
and put it back in the general fund, that would be kind of protecting us

2875
02:27:49,734 --> 02:27:52,734
because we have the rental, and you may end up using it.

2876
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:55,233
I think it's a no brainer at this point.

2877
02:27:55,233 --> 02:27:59,000
I certainly don't need, you know, like I can't afford I don't need two

2878
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:03,767
and a half back ups at this point, which is what that third 2012 truck is.

2879
02:28:03,767 --> 02:28:06,300
It's kind of a half truck at the moment.

2880
02:28:06,300 --> 02:28:08,867
So if you want to make a motion to sell that, I'll make a motion

2881
02:28:08,867 --> 02:28:12,300
to sell the oldest, curbside

2882
02:28:12,467 --> 02:28:15,934
packer truck, the 20, 2012

2883
02:28:16,233 --> 02:28:19,300
and move that money, the proceeds into the general fund.

2884
02:28:20,166 --> 02:28:22,767
And if you could I mean, it's a bit.

2885
02:28:22,767 --> 02:28:23,133
Is that,

2886
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:26,433
I mean, it's bid that's the correct path.

2887
02:28:26,433 --> 02:28:28,634
I mean, a I think so

2888
02:28:28,634 --> 02:28:29,634
motion by Josh.

2889
02:28:29,634 --> 02:28:31,233
Second. Yep.

2890
02:28:31,233 --> 02:28:33,433
Second by Mark.

2891
02:28:33,433 --> 02:28:34,500
All in favor?

2892
02:28:34,500 --> 02:28:37,500
Opposed?

2893
02:28:38,166 --> 02:28:38,900
Okay. Abstain.

2894
02:28:38,900 --> 02:28:41,600
I can't say I wasn't really here for the.

2895
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:44,500
Richard didn't just catch you up, Richard.

2896
02:28:44,500 --> 02:28:46,934
Selling the oldest curbside.

2897
02:28:46,934 --> 02:28:47,333
Packer.

2898
02:28:47,333 --> 02:28:49,734
Cool. And,

2899
02:28:49,734 --> 02:28:54,467
just the general we have, we have approved, getting the excavator,

2900
02:28:54,934 --> 02:28:56,033
through source.

2901
02:28:56,033 --> 02:28:58,467
Well,

2902
02:28:58,467 --> 02:29:00,900
that will be cheaper than what we're paying through the current,

2903
02:29:00,900 --> 02:29:03,934
rental process.

2904
02:29:04,500 --> 02:29:04,934
Let's see.

2905
02:29:04,934 --> 02:29:09,867
So I'm on, page six of the my cat ten recommendations

2906
02:29:09,867 --> 02:29:12,867
there. So,

2907
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:17,800
the other.

2908
02:29:18,934 --> 02:29:19,467
Thing

2909
02:29:19,467 --> 02:29:23,767
that we could do immediately without that special revenue fund,

2910
02:29:23,767 --> 02:29:26,834
if you want to, if you want to talk about this, is the roll off truck.

2911
02:29:26,834 --> 02:29:29,367
So it's been deferred a couple of times. CP

2912
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:32,834
they have that same

2913
02:29:32,834 --> 02:29:36,734
on on demand hourly rental arrangement for that type of truck.

2914
02:29:37,066 --> 02:29:41,266
And I think regardless if we do it now or next year,

2915
02:29:41,367 --> 02:29:43,567
I think that's the model that makes the most sense

2916
02:29:43,567 --> 02:29:47,233
because we do not use that truck anywhere near 40 hours a week.

2917
02:29:47,567 --> 02:29:50,667
Talking about the one that has to be right.

2918
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:53,266
Exactly. Yeah.

2919
02:29:53,266 --> 02:29:55,533
But you don't have the right size containers, right?

2920
02:29:55,533 --> 02:29:57,133
So we don't have the right size containers.

2921
02:29:57,133 --> 02:30:02,500
So, they are probably something I could get a rental price on.

2922
02:30:02,500 --> 02:30:04,400
I just haven't gotten that far down the road yet.

2923
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:07,567
So, we could look at renting a couple cans.

2924
02:30:08,433 --> 02:30:09,734
We could.

2925
02:30:09,734 --> 02:30:11,800
I think we need to evaluate the cost of the cans.

2926
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:14,500
Yeah, right. Should we own the cans, or should we rent them?

2927
02:30:15,667 --> 02:30:17,166
It's a good, good question.

2928
02:30:17,166 --> 02:30:18,767
I don't know,

2929
02:30:18,767 --> 02:30:22,467
and I would also caution the board here is

2930
02:30:22,467 --> 02:30:26,200
if you move to a rental model on this particular truck.

2931
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:28,867
Yeah, it will not be in your default budget.

2932
02:30:28,867 --> 02:30:31,867
So if you sell the

2933
02:30:32,734 --> 02:30:34,367
right, if you sell the,

2934
02:30:34,367 --> 02:30:39,533
the bigger unit and you move to this, then that's going to widen the gap

2935
02:30:40,233 --> 02:30:43,533
between your default and your proposed budget this coming season.

2936
02:30:43,900 --> 02:30:46,934
I think we should discuss this with the Budget Committee.

2937
02:30:47,533 --> 02:30:50,400
What it is that we should be doing now, if it goes in

2938
02:30:50,400 --> 02:30:53,800
to next year's budget, will it become part of the fall budget?

2939
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:55,400
If it goes out of it? Yes.

2940
02:30:55,400 --> 02:30:57,000
If the voters approve the yes.

2941
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,600
So I think what we need to get them bought into is this model,

2942
02:31:00,900 --> 02:31:01,767
because

2943
02:31:01,767 --> 02:31:04,767
I think there's a lot of value in this.

2944
02:31:05,433 --> 02:31:07,100
I mean, there's also been a lot of discussion

2945
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:10,400
about the whole fleet management side of the House,

2946
02:31:11,500 --> 02:31:13,333
like some of these,

2947
02:31:13,333 --> 02:31:16,800
I assume, like some of these could be in the fleet management portion as well too.

2948
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:18,433
They may have some of these,

2949
02:31:18,433 --> 02:31:23,200
some, enterprise when we talked to them, they didn't have much for it

2950
02:31:23,567 --> 02:31:25,300
and they didn't have any construction equipment.

2951
02:31:25,300 --> 02:31:28,233
And the heavy duty stuff was kind of hit or miss.

2952
02:31:28,233 --> 02:31:34,767
Yeah, they were very much more the the low the the more the SUVs, the vehicles,

2953
02:31:34,967 --> 02:31:39,767
the one that I had sent you supposedly does some construction stuff there.

2954
02:31:39,800 --> 02:31:42,500
Canadian company, though.

2955
02:31:42,500 --> 02:31:45,467
So again, like,

2956
02:31:45,734 --> 02:31:48,066
the keep the money local.

2957
02:31:48,066 --> 02:31:49,900
Yeah. Same time

2958
02:31:50,867 --> 02:31:52,734
I think that that's part of the discussion.

2959
02:31:52,734 --> 02:31:54,467
Like we can't get any of those in there

2960
02:31:54,467 --> 02:31:58,266
then like, this rental path may be the right path to go.

2961
02:31:58,266 --> 02:32:00,500
And I think we need to get that call.

2962
02:32:00,500 --> 02:32:04,200
Now, if we got the 130 K a year for the Packer trucks,

2963
02:32:05,734 --> 02:32:08,367
curbside pack of trucks,

2964
02:32:08,367 --> 02:32:10,967
that's 260 K a year,

2965
02:32:10,967 --> 02:32:13,967
you're not spending that in maintenance right now at all.

2966
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:16,200
No, no.

2967
02:32:16,200 --> 02:32:18,900
So basically we'd be selling that off and then trying to figure out

2968
02:32:18,900 --> 02:32:21,900
how that becomes part of the budget every year.

2969
02:32:21,900 --> 02:32:22,600
Right.

2970
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:27,600
So the at least at first, if the revenue fund is established,

2971
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:31,400
we can use the proceeds of, you know, even if we just quite keep it

2972
02:32:31,400 --> 02:32:32,467
simple mentally.

2973
02:32:32,467 --> 02:32:35,634
The the three remaining trucks say March.

2974
02:32:35,634 --> 02:32:39,500
There's you know, we we pull the trigger on getting the rental units in

2975
02:32:39,500 --> 02:32:42,300
and we immediately put the others out for sale.

2976
02:32:42,300 --> 02:32:46,767
I'm not sure munis bid for the two newer trucks in particular may not be the best.

2977
02:32:47,033 --> 02:32:49,734
We might have better luck actually reaching out to, like,

2978
02:32:49,734 --> 02:32:53,000
you know, the, cannot wastes of the world and, you know, that kind of do some

2979
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:54,000
do a little more,

2980
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,100
on the pavement type work on on those because they do have a lot of life

2981
02:32:57,100 --> 02:32:58,533
left in them.

2982
02:32:58,533 --> 02:33:01,533
But anyway, the revenue from those would,

2983
02:33:01,567 --> 02:33:05,700
in my head, anyway, be the first few years worth of those,

2984
02:33:06,700 --> 02:33:07,533
rental payments.

2985
02:33:07,533 --> 02:33:09,900
So I would imagine two, maybe two.

2986
02:33:09,900 --> 02:33:12,967
And a half years worth of that from the sale of proceeds.

2987
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:16,600
And then we need to look at whether or not those,

2988
02:33:16,767 --> 02:33:17,667
rental payments

2989
02:33:17,667 --> 02:33:20,934
become part of the operating budget or do you have a line in the CFP

2990
02:33:20,934 --> 02:33:25,133
that just turns into annual payments rather than purchase?

2991
02:33:25,700 --> 02:33:28,700
So from an accounting standpoint,

2992
02:33:28,967 --> 02:33:32,867
if it's ongoing rental, it wouldn't be in the CIP.

2993
02:33:33,700 --> 02:33:37,300
Because that's strictly for capitalized items.

2994
02:33:39,233 --> 02:33:41,734
But I think is it the purchase

2995
02:33:41,734 --> 02:33:45,600
of one of those packers like close to 400,000?

2996
02:33:45,767 --> 02:33:48,400
They're going to be so probably close to five.

2997
02:33:48,400 --> 02:33:48,734
Yeah.

2998
02:33:48,734 --> 02:33:54,834
But so the rental essentially is spreading it out across 3 or 4,

2999
02:33:54,834 --> 02:33:58,667
five years comparatively to what it would be to outright purchase it.

3000
02:33:58,867 --> 02:34:02,934
It's kind of doing that smoothing of the once you get the last.

3001
02:34:03,066 --> 02:34:05,634
What's the projected replacement on that

3002
02:34:05,634 --> 02:34:08,467
bond, the factors that you want it to have.

3003
02:34:09,400 --> 02:34:10,333
So currently.

3004
02:34:10,333 --> 02:34:13,100
So yeah, it's 10 or 15 at this point.

3005
02:34:13,100 --> 02:34:15,934
We have a ten year goal.

3006
02:34:15,934 --> 02:34:19,100
But we're obviously well beyond that.

3007
02:34:19,634 --> 02:34:22,634
To them, and

3008
02:34:23,367 --> 02:34:26,367
yeah, if we went with the current model

3009
02:34:26,467 --> 02:34:30,700
replacing as we go, we kind of still need, you know, three trucks.

3010
02:34:30,934 --> 02:34:34,667
So three trucks, ten years, you know, it's here every few years

3011
02:34:34,667 --> 02:34:35,734
you have a packer come up.

3012
02:34:35,734 --> 02:34:38,867
So as Danielle said, you know, at some point soon we're going to hit 500

3013
02:34:38,867 --> 02:34:42,967
grand over the three years for 3 or 4 years, I guess.

3014
02:34:43,500 --> 02:34:44,800
So it's over ten years.

3015
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,600
We have three that we have to replace already.

3016
02:34:46,600 --> 02:34:49,600
You're looking at 1.5 million, right?

3017
02:34:53,266 --> 02:34:53,567
Right.

3018
02:34:53,567 --> 02:34:58,400
And then so now you're benefiting from that, not having that, cost

3019
02:34:58,433 --> 02:35:01,734
for all those, but you're also reducing the maintenance and the downtime in the.

3020
02:35:02,266 --> 02:35:03,667
So I think it's a no brainer.

3021
02:35:03,667 --> 02:35:05,767
And you're constantly turning those trucks.

3022
02:35:05,767 --> 02:35:08,767
And I wonder if we propose that we do one next year and then,

3023
02:35:09,567 --> 02:35:11,300
the next one the following year.

3024
02:35:12,333 --> 02:35:13,066
We move to the

3025
02:35:13,066 --> 02:35:16,066
rental part of that rental model

3026
02:35:16,400 --> 02:35:18,734
we sell off to next year.

3027
02:35:18,734 --> 02:35:21,734
But I would suggest a fundamental sell off the next.

3028
02:35:23,100 --> 02:35:24,400
Sorry, good phase.

3029
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:27,600
And however you do it.

3030
02:35:27,867 --> 02:35:28,033
Yeah.

3031
02:35:28,033 --> 02:35:31,033
Okay.

3032
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:33,300
And then, you know, then the 20

3033
02:35:33,300 --> 02:35:36,600
to the remainder of the recommendations, you know, it's really looking at 27.

3034
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:38,300
But we could

3035
02:35:38,300 --> 02:35:40,433
frontload some of the,

3036
02:35:40,433 --> 02:35:43,467
you know, both excavators are

3037
02:35:43,634 --> 02:35:45,767
coming do ones overdue and ones coming.

3038
02:35:45,767 --> 02:35:47,133
Do we get one loader.

3039
02:35:47,133 --> 02:35:49,934
That's let's do a backhoe which is overdue.

3040
02:35:49,934 --> 02:35:53,133
And those rental payments have been pretty crippling the last two years.

3041
02:35:53,133 --> 02:35:56,867
Now when that goes down and one of the skid steer.

3042
02:35:56,867 --> 02:35:59,867
So those are other items that we could do a similar,

3043
02:36:00,500 --> 02:36:02,800
long term finance or lease.

3044
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:05,200
And I mean, like we approved tonight, something like that.

3045
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:06,200
Exactly.

3046
02:36:06,200 --> 02:36:08,333
So is that's something you want to figure out as part of the budget?

3047
02:36:08,333 --> 02:36:10,133
And I think so.

3048
02:36:10,133 --> 02:36:14,767
And there's going to be some work, with, with the revenue fund

3049
02:36:14,767 --> 02:36:17,934
and how that and how the budgeting for that works.

3050
02:36:18,266 --> 02:36:21,600
I'm guessing I know, but I guess is that a good, good answer?

3051
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:22,867
So, right.

3052
02:36:22,867 --> 02:36:26,567
What are we program in, for, for year one, if it's approved,

3053
02:36:27,333 --> 02:36:28,567
there's going to be some moneys.

3054
02:36:30,467 --> 02:36:31,600
Appropriated,

3055
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,734
but maybe not because they would be proceeds of sale, so.

3056
02:36:34,867 --> 02:36:38,266
Well, we still have to do gross appropriation, but

3057
02:36:38,266 --> 02:36:41,900
we would probably treat it as an offset revenue, especially in that first year.

3058
02:36:43,166 --> 02:36:46,533
I guess what we can prove the fund is self-sustaining, right?

3059
02:36:46,634 --> 02:36:49,667
I mean, we just there's so many unknowns about how much we could get from the sale

3060
02:36:49,700 --> 02:36:51,867
of field equipment. Right.

3061
02:36:51,867 --> 02:36:55,634
You almost have to budget anticipated if we anticipate selling for pieces.

3062
02:36:55,634 --> 02:36:57,967
What's the best guess of expected revenue?

3063
02:36:57,967 --> 02:37:00,967
I guess for.

3064
02:37:02,767 --> 02:37:03,066
And there's

3065
02:37:03,066 --> 02:37:06,834
similar models for, for the, the heavy, dark cloud

3066
02:37:06,867 --> 02:37:09,867
truck packages as well. So,

3067
02:37:10,700 --> 02:37:13,233
I think for the amount that we have in the,

3068
02:37:13,233 --> 02:37:17,433
the amount that is getting deferred and starting to stack up,

3069
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:20,667
it certainly seems like a good way to do it.

3070
02:37:20,667 --> 02:37:24,800
As long as we can couch the, the downside,

3071
02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:29,400
which is that possibility of left holding up things, everything's on funded,

3072
02:37:29,734 --> 02:37:32,734
you know, by the town budget committee.

3073
02:37:37,834 --> 02:37:38,767
Greater retirement.

3074
02:37:38,767 --> 02:37:39,433
That's another one.

3075
02:37:39,433 --> 02:37:42,433
If the board's looking to,

3076
02:37:42,467 --> 02:37:44,333
you know, get some more

3077
02:37:44,333 --> 02:37:47,400
general fund revenue prior to tax rates, that in time,

3078
02:37:48,900 --> 02:37:51,300
the greater we don't use much anymore,

3079
02:37:51,300 --> 02:37:55,400
we converted, a handful of a handful.

3080
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:57,100
Three, I guess. Gravel roads.

3081
02:37:57,100 --> 02:37:58,700
So we have fewer gravel roads.

3082
02:37:58,700 --> 02:38:03,266
And we've had in the past, at this point, the grain has been down

3083
02:38:03,467 --> 02:38:04,900
a couple of times over the last few years.

3084
02:38:04,900 --> 02:38:09,233
So we've rented or not rented that we have, contracted out some one time

3085
02:38:09,233 --> 02:38:12,233
grading of of the remaining gravel roads as they need it.

3086
02:38:12,900 --> 02:38:17,266
If you wanted to sell that in 1992 greater and get a couple grand for for that.

3087
02:38:17,767 --> 02:38:20,166
That's what I use in the greater at all right now.

3088
02:38:20,166 --> 02:38:21,400
Not not much.

3089
02:38:21,400 --> 02:38:25,000
I mean, in a pinch, we we could sell it at some money in the bank.

3090
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:26,967
It's time to go to pasture one way or another.

3091
02:38:26,967 --> 02:38:30,166
So so we're basically contracting every time we do the grading.

3092
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:31,834
Yeah. Yep.

3093
02:38:32,967 --> 02:38:36,233
And it's not much any, any repair on this thing is pretty.

3094
02:38:36,233 --> 02:38:39,667
You know, it's big money to fix a machine that big. And

3095
02:38:40,967 --> 02:38:41,700
it's that old.

3096
02:38:41,700 --> 02:38:43,500
I'm not going to put any more money into it.

3097
02:38:43,500 --> 02:38:44,967
So if you want to sell it

3098
02:38:44,967 --> 02:38:48,000
now or next year, it doesn't really change how we're going to operate anyway.

3099
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:51,000
So might be a good one to move.

3100
02:38:54,934 --> 02:38:55,900
Motion.

3101
02:38:55,900 --> 02:38:58,900
So now he needs a motion.

3102
02:38:58,934 --> 02:39:01,867
I'll make that motion.

3103
02:39:01,867 --> 02:39:03,667
Seconded

3104
02:39:03,667 --> 02:39:04,667
a motion by Mark.

3105
02:39:04,667 --> 02:39:06,133
Seconded by Richard.

3106
02:39:06,133 --> 02:39:07,200
All in favor?

3107
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:08,000
Oh. All right.

3108
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:11,000
Post guys have it

3109
02:39:11,266 --> 02:39:12,166
gone.

3110
02:39:12,166 --> 02:39:13,000
I don't know if anybody else.

3111
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:14,700
My eyes are glazing over.

3112
02:39:14,700 --> 02:39:17,734
Is there anything else you wanted to take into tonight or.

3113
02:39:17,734 --> 02:39:19,800
I think that's good to at least get us started.

3114
02:39:19,800 --> 02:39:22,634
I think it was good to have us that. Okay. It's good.

3115
02:39:23,800 --> 02:39:26,800
I think it was at 130.

3116
02:39:26,967 --> 02:39:30,667
For the for the curbside, 130 for the year each.

3117
02:39:30,967 --> 02:39:31,233
Correct.

3118
02:39:31,233 --> 02:39:34,367
So if we were doing two of them, 260. Yeah.

3119
02:39:34,367 --> 02:39:38,266
If we do that and suggested to the budget committee or whatever, that's fine.

3120
02:39:38,667 --> 02:39:42,033
Right now, $50 per hour on the stand by the sitting out there, right?

3121
02:39:42,100 --> 02:39:44,333
Yeah. And it's a smaller truck.

3122
02:39:44,333 --> 02:39:44,734
Is that one?

3123
02:39:44,734 --> 02:39:47,433
It's slightly yeah. It's the back.

3124
02:39:47,433 --> 02:39:51,033
The the body itself is, but the back door is a little more rounded.

3125
02:39:51,033 --> 02:39:52,300
So we ended up using that.

3126
02:39:52,300 --> 02:39:53,133
I got forced into it.

3127
02:39:53,133 --> 02:39:55,734
It's about 100 and 6KA year

3128
02:39:55,734 --> 02:39:58,033
for the bike, which I sure I would like an answer to that to.

3129
02:39:58,033 --> 02:39:59,967
Why is it cheaper if we did it.

3130
02:39:59,967 --> 02:40:03,000
Yeah I'm sure I really I think there's got to be some something somewhere.

3131
02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:04,400
There's something missing. There's no way them.

3132
02:40:05,567 --> 02:40:06,200
And if not, then

3133
02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:09,200
why would just rent three trucks on demand

3134
02:40:10,066 --> 02:40:13,066
shipping?

3135
02:40:14,934 --> 02:40:17,000
What I mean

3136
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:18,700
by that if I.

3137
02:40:18,700 --> 02:40:20,233
Yeah, I'll look at them after they.

3138
02:40:20,233 --> 02:40:23,066
Yeah. They what they used for an assumption number out.

3139
02:40:23,066 --> 02:40:23,433
Yeah.

3140
02:40:23,433 --> 02:40:26,600
The roll off of that I don't know if I mentioned the roll

3141
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:29,834
off, rental is $40 an hour, so it's a little less.

3142
02:40:29,834 --> 02:40:32,967
More so for the for the truck or for the for the truck.

3143
02:40:33,233 --> 02:40:36,200
Yeah, but not for the, the, Pollock

3144
02:40:37,467 --> 02:40:39,133
cans, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

3145
02:40:39,133 --> 02:40:42,367
The cans themselves have their own, like, connection point.

3146
02:40:42,367 --> 02:40:46,066
And to the truck, they have, like a pin that gets hooked.

3147
02:40:46,066 --> 02:40:48,400
And then they have wheels and they have wheels on the roof.

3148
02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:51,166
Yeah. So the truck itself is what does the grab in the home?

3149
02:40:51,166 --> 02:40:54,934
Can you look at buying those trailers also price wise?

3150
02:40:56,233 --> 02:40:59,200
The cans, the cancer because I don't think they have a ton of maintenance on them.

3151
02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:00,467
We've just got to beat the hell out.

3152
02:41:00,467 --> 02:41:02,100
Then you're going to. Well, I'm at the meeting. Right.

3153
02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:03,967
It's kind of where we're at with our original plan.

3154
02:41:03,967 --> 02:41:07,200
If if, CFP, a budget a passed for the roll off

3155
02:41:07,567 --> 02:41:10,400
was to pay somebody to modify our cans.

3156
02:41:10,400 --> 02:41:14,667
Looking at them, there's more that would need to be fixed than is left.

3157
02:41:14,667 --> 02:41:17,734
It cobbled together with the current cans.

3158
02:41:17,767 --> 02:41:20,834
Yeah, because ours actually they go up on the trailer, right? Yes.

3159
02:41:21,033 --> 02:41:24,000
Whereas the other ones you're talking about have wheels built into them.

3160
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:27,867
Ours have wheels as well because they, they kind of get pulled up on

3161
02:41:27,967 --> 02:41:29,367
and they, they do all that.

3162
02:41:29,367 --> 02:41:32,367
They roll up the big ones like this. Yeah.

3163
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:35,567
It'd be a similar situation that very similar to smaller,

3164
02:41:35,567 --> 02:41:38,600
smaller trailer CB rolls in the trailer along with the truck.

3165
02:41:38,934 --> 02:41:40,433
So in this case it's a combo.

3166
02:41:40,433 --> 02:41:42,700
So the truck itself has like a flat.

3167
02:41:42,700 --> 02:41:44,033
Let's see it.

3168
02:41:44,033 --> 02:41:47,967
So the cans on the on the bottom picture there is going to be almost right up

3169
02:41:47,967 --> 02:41:49,133
against the cab of the truck

3170
02:41:49,133 --> 02:41:52,166
rather than all the way back starting at the fifth wheel.

3171
02:41:52,266 --> 02:41:53,233
It's a question on that,

3172
02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:55,133
because we wouldn't have as

3173
02:41:55,133 --> 02:41:58,700
much space for debris right?

3174
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:02,600
How much more would it be increasing on fuel?

3175
02:42:03,100 --> 02:42:05,634
So that's the thing we'd look at along

3176
02:42:05,634 --> 02:42:08,700
with, maybe the the quantity cans too.

3177
02:42:08,900 --> 02:42:10,800
Do we get one more, you know, whatever.

3178
02:42:10,800 --> 02:42:14,367
Well, I, I'm just thinking the trips you may have to make more trips.

3179
02:42:14,634 --> 02:42:15,133
Yeah.

3180
02:42:15,133 --> 02:42:19,033
So, like, I think you need to do a quick back of the envelope calculation of, like,

3181
02:42:19,033 --> 02:42:21,867
you know, we only take this like, five times a year, but,

3182
02:42:21,867 --> 02:42:22,333
you know,

3183
02:42:22,333 --> 02:42:24,900
if we take the same amount of space, we're going to be doing it 20 times

3184
02:42:24,900 --> 02:42:26,567
and this is how much time we spend on fuel.

3185
02:42:26,567 --> 02:42:28,166
So what's the cost calculation.

3186
02:42:28,166 --> 02:42:31,166
Yeah, yeah, we're.

3187
02:42:32,767 --> 02:42:35,367
Or do they make them with a headboard

3188
02:42:35,367 --> 02:42:37,667
to protect the cab?

3189
02:42:37,667 --> 02:42:38,734
You know. Any idea

3190
02:42:39,767 --> 02:42:41,300
I don't you know, I don't, I don't know

3191
02:42:41,300 --> 02:42:45,333
I know that the way the rails go

3192
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:48,600
when it stops can't going any farther.

3193
02:42:48,700 --> 02:42:52,166
Not sure if you got into an accident that it would matter either way, but

3194
02:42:54,033 --> 02:42:57,166
so would you need a less of a license to run one of these? Yes.

3195
02:42:57,367 --> 02:42:58,767
Yeah. Okay.

3196
02:42:58,767 --> 02:43:01,867
Yeah, there's value there, but that's a tricky one to put a number on.

3197
02:43:01,867 --> 02:43:06,667
But yes, we want to we have just to be for the proposed combo unit.

3198
02:43:06,667 --> 02:43:09,667
Once you get into the trailer, it becomes a classic.

3199
02:43:10,100 --> 02:43:13,100
How many do we have a class saying is it just one person,

3200
02:43:13,900 --> 02:43:15,100
including the foreman?

3201
02:43:15,100 --> 02:43:15,867
That's all the way.

3202
02:43:15,867 --> 02:43:18,467
So we have our long haul truck driver.

3203
02:43:18,467 --> 02:43:22,634
I mean, we have, five, I think, department wide, but in in solid

3204
02:43:22,634 --> 02:43:23,467
waste itself.

3205
02:43:23,467 --> 02:43:26,867
We just have the, the foreman in our tractor trailer.

3206
02:43:27,867 --> 02:43:29,533
Normal tractor trailer driver.

3207
02:43:29,533 --> 02:43:33,233
And then our ground man also has an egg currently, so

3208
02:43:34,200 --> 02:43:37,367
we do have three that can kind of rotate through if need be, but

3209
02:43:38,934 --> 02:43:42,000
they're taking somebody off the transfer station to put them in the truck.

3210
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:43,467
Yeah. Yeah.

3211
02:43:43,467 --> 02:43:44,066
Okay.

3212
02:43:44,066 --> 02:43:47,066
Okay.

3213
02:43:47,734 --> 02:43:48,367
Good.

3214
02:43:48,367 --> 02:43:51,367
Okay.

3215
02:43:52,066 --> 02:43:52,667
All right.

3216
02:43:52,667 --> 02:43:53,233
Thank you.

3217
02:43:53,233 --> 02:43:53,500
Thank you.

3218
02:43:53,500 --> 02:43:56,066
And for sure thank you for the action tonight.

3219
02:43:56,066 --> 02:43:59,166
So it was a lengthy one, but I think it'll pay off.

3220
02:44:01,834 --> 02:44:02,500
Okay.

3221
02:44:02,500 --> 02:44:05,533
We move on to new business.

3222
02:44:06,433 --> 02:44:08,066
Come.

3223
02:44:08,066 --> 02:44:08,467
Oh, yeah.

3224
02:44:08,467 --> 02:44:12,934
So, bringing to your attention that the Hillsborough, County

3225
02:44:12,934 --> 02:44:17,367
Department of Corrections with some of their Covid funds, began

3226
02:44:17,367 --> 02:44:21,200
a jail study to look at the Hillsborough

3227
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:24,033
County Jail on Valley Street in Manchester.

3228
02:44:24,033 --> 02:44:26,934
And they presented this information to the county commissioners

3229
02:44:26,934 --> 02:44:30,000
at the end of December and in, January.

3230
02:44:30,400 --> 02:44:33,133
And it resulted in three options for the county.

3231
02:44:33,133 --> 02:44:37,233
One would be to repair the facility and upgrade it at its current location.

3232
02:44:38,166 --> 02:44:41,333
Option two would be to renovate, put in some additions,

3233
02:44:41,734 --> 02:44:46,066
at the current facility, and option three would be to construct a new facility

3234
02:44:46,533 --> 02:44:52,100
in Goffstown off, New Hampshire Route 114 during this is on to existing county

3235
02:44:52,100 --> 02:44:56,300
land, on the west side of route 114

3236
02:44:56,300 --> 02:44:59,300
between Saint Anselm Drive and Mass Road.

3237
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:03,100
This is under the limited access portion

3238
02:45:03,667 --> 02:45:06,533
of, route 114.

3239
02:45:06,533 --> 02:45:08,900
So kind of bringing this,

3240
02:45:08,900 --> 02:45:12,834
to your attention, what you have, in your packet

3241
02:45:12,900 --> 02:45:17,000
here, some of the design, department concerns with option three.

3242
02:45:17,000 --> 02:45:22,367
If the county moves towards bringing the county jail, to Goffstown,

3243
02:45:22,767 --> 02:45:27,533
starting with the planning and construction phases, I don't have

3244
02:45:27,533 --> 02:45:32,200
a significant impact on building inspection, fire and DPW engineering.

3245
02:45:32,533 --> 02:45:36,066
This is for the review of permits, fire protection,

3246
02:45:36,066 --> 02:45:40,200
life safety features, and any, on site site work.

3247
02:45:41,567 --> 02:45:43,066
During the construction phases.

3248
02:45:43,066 --> 02:45:47,033
A lot of that is actually, Tom would be compensated and,

3249
02:45:48,066 --> 02:45:51,066
with permitting fees, for those,

3250
02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:54,600
operationally,

3251
02:45:54,667 --> 02:45:59,333
and this has a higher frequency, this type of, facility would have

3252
02:45:59,333 --> 02:46:03,567
a higher frequency of medical calls than a typical commercial property.

3253
02:46:03,934 --> 02:46:06,934
It would also be,

3254
02:46:07,433 --> 02:46:09,634
increased prevalence of chronic medical

3255
02:46:09,634 --> 02:46:12,634
conditions, mental health emergencies and incidents.

3256
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:16,934
Involving inmate behavior, a lot of the day to day

3257
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:20,934
operations, regarding the law enforcement piece would be covered

3258
02:46:20,934 --> 02:46:24,533
by the Department of Corrections and the Hillsborough County sheriff,

3259
02:46:25,033 --> 02:46:29,100
but a lot of the, EMS calls, medical or any fire

3260
02:46:29,100 --> 02:46:32,600
related would have to be picked up by, Goffstown Fire.

3261
02:46:33,133 --> 02:46:37,166
Additionally, there'd be, large need for new training,

3262
02:46:37,800 --> 02:46:40,400
for, fire department,

3263
02:46:40,400 --> 02:46:44,867
because currently the primary responding department is, City of Manchester.

3264
02:46:46,066 --> 02:46:46,667
And then,

3265
02:46:46,667 --> 02:46:50,834
you know, just general to try and get that word out.

3266
02:46:50,834 --> 02:46:54,800
So, what we've provided to you is a printout of the,

3267
02:46:56,300 --> 02:46:59,166
jail study presentation, and I flagged where

3268
02:46:59,166 --> 02:47:02,767
they show option three and minutes from the meeting.

3269
02:47:03,066 --> 02:47:06,900
I did talk to the county administrator, about a month ago.

3270
02:47:07,867 --> 02:47:10,133
He, indicated that

3271
02:47:10,133 --> 02:47:14,033
their FY 27 budget does not include funds

3272
02:47:14,033 --> 02:47:18,600
for further planning or for building design at this point.

3273
02:47:19,133 --> 02:47:22,400
But, I did not get, indication,

3274
02:47:22,700 --> 02:47:24,700
you know, what the next step in the process,

3275
02:47:24,700 --> 02:47:28,967
they may be waiting until their new delegation gets, seated

3276
02:47:28,967 --> 02:47:32,900
after the elections, and we'll probably pick it up, in 2027.

3277
02:47:34,266 --> 02:47:37,266
So how many beds they have in Manchester?

3278
02:47:37,333 --> 02:47:38,533
It's in the planning study.

3279
02:47:38,533 --> 02:47:42,300
I think they were looking for 485 beds with,

3280
02:47:42,734 --> 02:47:46,033
so the existing facility has 377

3281
02:47:46,033 --> 02:47:49,200
cells with 721 beds.

3282
02:47:51,433 --> 02:47:54,266
So it's more beds.

3283
02:47:54,266 --> 02:47:57,100
And I believe there.

3284
02:47:57,100 --> 02:47:59,867
Page one on three had a breakdown of a new building.

3285
02:47:59,867 --> 02:48:02,266
So the new one would be 356.

3286
02:48:02,266 --> 02:48:05,967
And 485 beds.

3287
02:48:05,967 --> 02:48:10,800
But then so that would be a jail first portion and then, what they call

3288
02:48:11,967 --> 02:48:16,000
this DCC, which is the Community Corrections Center,

3289
02:48:17,233 --> 02:48:20,200
I believe that's on the lower, lower tier.

3290
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:24,400
So that would have, 70 an additional 70 beds.

3291
02:48:24,400 --> 02:48:28,400
So they'd be looking for 555 total plus beds.

3292
02:48:28,400 --> 02:48:30,100
Some of them have maybe a few less.

3293
02:48:30,100 --> 02:48:32,934
Are they plan on keeping the Manchester facility? No.

3294
02:48:32,934 --> 02:48:36,667
If they were to go with option three to construct this one

3295
02:48:36,667 --> 02:48:40,800
new transition over and then, they really don't look at reuse or same.

3296
02:48:42,333 --> 02:48:44,467
Are they have capacity in Manchester

3297
02:48:44,467 --> 02:48:47,467
I believe there's quite a few operational issues there.

3298
02:48:48,233 --> 02:48:51,433
So it's operational net beds are over utilized.

3299
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:55,867
So do we know how many like,

3300
02:48:55,867 --> 02:48:59,333
emergency calls that they have out of Manchester per year?

3301
02:49:00,133 --> 02:49:03,266
I believe the both the Chiefs are shaking their heads

3302
02:49:03,433 --> 02:49:06,467
like, yeah, we're aware of this.

3303
02:49:11,634 --> 02:49:12,467
Again.

3304
02:49:12,467 --> 02:49:14,100
Hey. Good. Okay.

3305
02:49:14,100 --> 02:49:19,967
So, just to give you guys a a quick thought process.

3306
02:49:19,967 --> 02:49:23,467
This is the biggest county population Y in the state.

3307
02:49:23,934 --> 02:49:26,934
We serve the two biggest cities in the state.

3308
02:49:27,433 --> 02:49:28,700
Manchester and Nashua.

3309
02:49:28,700 --> 02:49:31,967
So when this jail comes to town, it will be serving

3310
02:49:32,200 --> 02:49:35,100
Hillsborough County, Nashua residents

3311
02:49:35,100 --> 02:49:38,467
courts in Manchester, Goffstown, all the way over to Peterborough.

3312
02:49:39,667 --> 02:49:42,667
And speaking with my colleague over Manchester

3313
02:49:43,233 --> 02:49:45,533
in the last six years there, PD

3314
02:49:45,533 --> 02:49:48,533
wise, it's very minimal.

3315
02:49:48,867 --> 02:49:52,333
A lot of their, calls are

3316
02:49:53,967 --> 02:49:56,500
serving paperwork or warrant services.

3317
02:49:56,500 --> 02:50:00,000
I talked to the sheriff, and we have kind of a

3318
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:02,934
conversation that

3319
02:50:02,934 --> 02:50:04,367
we have to go into a deeper conversation

3320
02:50:04,367 --> 02:50:06,100
about whether or not the sheriff is going to be dealing

3321
02:50:06,100 --> 02:50:08,767
with those type of situations, or if it's going to be Goffstown police.

3322
02:50:08,767 --> 02:50:10,634
But Manchester PD has,

3323
02:50:10,634 --> 02:50:14,567
law enforcement capacity really has been minimal over there.

3324
02:50:14,567 --> 02:50:18,100
Sheriffs typically are catching the diffusion of justice.

3325
02:50:18,100 --> 02:50:22,533
Any service of warrants, but they habits are more domestic violence petitions.

3326
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:26,000
One thing that I will note, though,

3327
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:29,300
one thing that didn't tie in to the calls that I asked for,

3328
02:50:29,567 --> 02:50:34,500
you know, where the county jail particularly sits in the city,

3329
02:50:34,834 --> 02:50:38,200
there is a lot of, calls of service in that area to begin with.

3330
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:43,033
So, you know, when people are released and things are moving

3331
02:50:43,033 --> 02:50:47,467
and people are coming and going, there's no telling where those calls of actually,

3332
02:50:47,467 --> 02:50:50,533
if they originate from the jail or if they originate from the street,

3333
02:50:50,533 --> 02:50:53,600
because the people that have been released from that jail.

3334
02:50:53,900 --> 02:50:56,100
And, you know, I'm not saying that everybody is released from

3335
02:50:56,100 --> 02:50:57,200
jail is a bad human being.

3336
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:59,700
But, you know, there are some problems that come out of there.

3337
02:50:59,700 --> 02:51:04,867
One thing, you know, where it is right now, if it's in our town

3338
02:51:05,166 --> 02:51:08,767
and it's on the side of 114, you know, the question becomes,

3339
02:51:08,767 --> 02:51:12,667
and I've had it in very beginning, is similar to what they do in their

3340
02:51:12,667 --> 02:51:14,433
county is like it's in the middle of nowhere.

3341
02:51:14,433 --> 02:51:19,567
So where do when they release people from, we'll just say hi, pathetic or drunk

3342
02:51:19,567 --> 02:51:20,500
tank for the weekend

3343
02:51:20,500 --> 02:51:24,600
because they've been, you know, taking up custody due to alcohol, drugs.

3344
02:51:24,700 --> 02:51:26,400
Where do they go on Monday?

3345
02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:26,667
Okay.

3346
02:51:26,667 --> 02:51:29,200
But do they just get dropped off the people come pick them up.

3347
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:30,433
I'm not really sure.

3348
02:51:30,433 --> 02:51:31,433
I don't work at the jail.

3349
02:51:31,433 --> 02:51:32,634
There's no bus station or anything.

3350
02:51:32,634 --> 02:51:36,700
So, my colleague told me that they,

3351
02:51:36,734 --> 02:51:38,533
you know, there are some different things they do in the city

3352
02:51:38,533 --> 02:51:40,800
where people come get them or they just get released to the city.

3353
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:44,033
They kind of find their way back to where their home is.

3354
02:51:45,834 --> 02:51:49,033
So that's kind of where we're at PD wise.

3355
02:51:49,033 --> 02:51:52,166
We have had the prison here for many years.

3356
02:51:52,600 --> 02:51:56,200
That did not impact us per se, because doc had their own,

3357
02:51:56,634 --> 02:51:59,634
investigative teams.

3358
02:51:59,967 --> 02:52:02,867
When it came to our call for service for the prison,

3359
02:52:02,867 --> 02:52:07,734
it was really based on visitors bringing contraband into the prison, where

3360
02:52:07,734 --> 02:52:10,400
if they were bringing something in there, we would go in there and arrest them,

3361
02:52:10,400 --> 02:52:12,533
bring them in, book in and go from there.

3362
02:52:12,533 --> 02:52:16,700
If there was ever any, emergency in the prison,

3363
02:52:17,000 --> 02:52:19,967
which I'm assuming is the same thing with the with the county.

3364
02:52:20,133 --> 02:52:23,100
We would not be the first people in that jail.

3365
02:52:23,100 --> 02:52:26,934
It'd be their their, their actual team that goes in there and deals riots

3366
02:52:26,934 --> 02:52:29,567
and stuff like that. State police would always deal with that.

3367
02:52:29,567 --> 02:52:31,900
Our biggest things we had the prison were people

3368
02:52:31,900 --> 02:52:34,233
showing up to the fence, throwing things over the fence.

3369
02:52:34,233 --> 02:52:36,634
We would go over there and, you know, and investigate.

3370
02:52:36,634 --> 02:52:37,967
What were they throwing over the fence?

3371
02:52:37,967 --> 02:52:40,000
If there was a fence, we'd arrest them.

3372
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:45,567
But then again, that was a, facility that help people for many years.

3373
02:52:45,567 --> 02:52:50,900
It wasn't a, you know, pre, you know, pre, pretrial.

3374
02:52:50,900 --> 02:52:51,367
Thank you.

3375
02:52:51,367 --> 02:52:54,166
Confinement where they can stay up there that year.

3376
02:52:54,166 --> 02:52:56,166
But other than that there, there's a lot of people coming

3377
02:52:56,166 --> 02:52:57,266
in, going out of county jail.

3378
02:52:58,533 --> 02:52:59,200
So you guys never

3379
02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:03,467
would be called in chief for like, back up for the if the county jail was here,

3380
02:53:03,467 --> 02:53:06,967
I would say it this just based on what my colleagues say.

3381
02:53:06,967 --> 02:53:09,500
If there was a big issue, they would call us. We'd be there.

3382
02:53:09,500 --> 02:53:12,500
I know would be considering the sheriff's headquarters right there.

3383
02:53:12,500 --> 02:53:15,700
There's you know, they have, an abundance of sheriffs too, that work in the county.

3384
02:53:15,934 --> 02:53:17,000
There we go and respond.

3385
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:19,133
But, obviously we're, we're close to.

3386
02:53:19,133 --> 02:53:21,467
So we would go to back them up or if we were the first

3387
02:53:21,467 --> 02:53:23,166
to be there, that's how it moved the sheriff.

3388
02:53:23,166 --> 02:53:25,634
And I've had a kind of a non-formal conversation of like,

3389
02:53:25,634 --> 02:53:27,400
how does this work out? Like, do you guys handle this?

3390
02:53:27,400 --> 02:53:29,066
Are we going to end up handling this?

3391
02:53:29,066 --> 02:53:31,900
And he was kind of saying that right now they handle some of the stuff

3392
02:53:31,900 --> 02:53:33,300
for Manchester PD.

3393
02:53:33,300 --> 02:53:36,300
Their deputies deal with that stuff.

3394
02:53:36,433 --> 02:53:38,233
They have their own investigative team inside.

3395
02:53:38,233 --> 02:53:40,567
So if there's drug users there's, there's there's gang violence.

3396
02:53:40,567 --> 02:53:42,433
It's all dealt with internally.

3397
02:53:42,433 --> 02:53:45,333
It's the stuff that happens around the outside of the jail is kind of,

3398
02:53:45,333 --> 02:53:49,166
you know, more of like it's in Goffstown, so it's our jurisdiction.

3399
02:53:49,166 --> 02:53:52,333
But Manchester PD, they don't have a huge amount of calls.

3400
02:53:52,333 --> 02:53:52,634
They're

3401
02:53:54,400 --> 02:53:54,967
so they

3402
02:53:54,967 --> 02:53:57,967
show from this specific facility itself.

3403
02:53:58,734 --> 02:54:01,367
You know Manchester PD is like right up the road to.

3404
02:54:01,367 --> 02:54:01,667
Right.

3405
02:54:01,667 --> 02:54:05,000
So the exterior of a is a little bit of a different question of like what is that.

3406
02:54:05,133 --> 02:54:06,600
How do they determine those calls

3407
02:54:06,600 --> 02:54:10,500
or generate or originate from the jail to the next location.

3408
02:54:10,500 --> 02:54:12,033
So yeah.

3409
02:54:12,033 --> 02:54:15,200
So the whole back side of that where they're proposing is all neighborhoods.

3410
02:54:15,367 --> 02:54:18,033
Yep. And the county nursing home. Right.

3411
02:54:18,033 --> 02:54:22,500
But I will say, and for the historians in this community, there was a county jail

3412
02:54:22,500 --> 02:54:26,266
in this town for many years, I would say probably a long time ago.

3413
02:54:26,266 --> 02:54:29,800
But, you know, it's always there was one for years and years and years ago

3414
02:54:30,767 --> 02:54:32,000
predates me.

3415
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,800
Why don't they want to put the jail back on their property?

3416
02:54:35,934 --> 02:54:38,133
Well, they it is is one of the options.

3417
02:54:38,133 --> 02:54:42,066
It's it is one of the options I think the property up here

3418
02:54:42,066 --> 02:54:45,200
where, where the old jail, the women's prison was.

3419
02:54:45,367 --> 02:54:46,567
Why can't they put it there?

3420
02:54:46,567 --> 02:54:47,600
Because that's what he's asking.

3421
02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:50,133
I, I think that's the commission's decision.

3422
02:54:50,133 --> 02:54:52,900
I think I think, you know, I don't know that question.

3423
02:54:52,900 --> 02:54:55,600
I, I think it's their county land where they're pointing it at.

3424
02:54:55,600 --> 02:54:59,233
You know, I think if you want to ask me on the side of a pro, it'd be something

3425
02:54:59,333 --> 02:55:02,500
to be for us to to engage them to see if that's something

3426
02:55:02,500 --> 02:55:04,133
that they're going to open it up.

3427
02:55:04,133 --> 02:55:05,967
Does the Pete, does a new police department

3428
02:55:05,967 --> 02:55:09,100
have the ability to kind of work its way through that area as well?

3429
02:55:09,133 --> 02:55:12,333
I don't know, I think that's a good thought process too.

3430
02:55:12,567 --> 02:55:15,000
I think they're headed down that path. It would make sense. Chief.

3431
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:20,367
I do think that there's some tax burden that obviously goes along to

3432
02:55:20,467 --> 02:55:23,433
they seem to be tearing stuff down and building left and right.

3433
02:55:24,767 --> 02:55:26,266
I think that's another discussion.

3434
02:55:26,266 --> 02:55:28,567
Yeah.

3435
02:55:28,567 --> 02:55:31,233
But, Mark, just my speculation on your question,

3436
02:55:31,233 --> 02:55:34,967
I would imagine that that corner lot is a very valuable,

3437
02:55:35,166 --> 02:55:38,166
you know, long term business or commercial development.

3438
02:55:38,734 --> 02:55:41,800
I think it probably profit if they, if it were a sell it.

3439
02:55:42,166 --> 02:55:42,900
Yeah.

3440
02:55:42,900 --> 02:55:45,934
Probably it won't sell us though. But.

3441
02:55:46,634 --> 02:55:48,533
Oh sorry. I'll bring it up.

3442
02:55:48,533 --> 02:55:50,266
I don't even care if they tell it privately.

3443
02:55:50,266 --> 02:55:53,767
At least we'd get a business revenue and taxes from the business.

3444
02:55:53,767 --> 02:55:54,667
That would be fantastic.

3445
02:55:54,667 --> 02:55:55,834
Probably something they could sell.

3446
02:55:55,834 --> 02:55:58,834
Any of it would be fantastic.

3447
02:55:58,900 --> 02:56:01,367
So we could get some tax dollars in. Yeah.

3448
02:56:01,367 --> 02:56:05,734
I mean, how many, how many acres does the Hillsborough County own?

3449
02:56:05,767 --> 02:56:09,533
About 6789. 700.

3450
02:56:09,533 --> 02:56:10,533
No, no. Yeah.

3451
02:56:10,533 --> 02:56:13,967
I mean I'm quite a bit of things that cannot be developed

3452
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:16,900
that raise revenue for us.

3453
02:56:16,900 --> 02:56:17,734
Yeah, that would be nice.

3454
02:56:17,734 --> 02:56:21,100
Do we get a discount on our county taxes then

3455
02:56:21,100 --> 02:56:24,100
in Goffstown? No.

3456
02:56:24,600 --> 02:56:25,634
Wow. Okay.

3457
02:56:25,634 --> 02:56:25,934
Okay.

3458
02:56:25,934 --> 02:56:28,934
The same as any other non host community.

3459
02:56:29,333 --> 02:56:30,133
Interesting.

3460
02:56:30,133 --> 02:56:31,467
What about, fire.

3461
02:56:31,467 --> 02:56:33,834
Yeah. You know let's get to that one.

3462
02:56:33,834 --> 02:56:37,033
It doesn't sound as bad on the, the police, you know.

3463
02:56:37,367 --> 02:56:41,834
So again, stats

3464
02:56:42,367 --> 02:56:45,000
I take a lot of pride in,

3465
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:49,033
this was a little bit more difficult because, like the chief was talking about

3466
02:56:49,467 --> 02:56:52,867
is we have such a difference in the counties,

3467
02:56:53,767 --> 02:56:56,233
with Hillsborough County having Nashua and Manchester,

3468
02:56:56,233 --> 02:56:59,467
the populations are completely different than the rest of the state.

3469
02:57:00,233 --> 02:57:03,333
Also, the problem that they deal with,

3470
02:57:03,333 --> 02:57:08,000
so luckily, I've got it a fair amount of experience

3471
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:11,000
with estimating call volume increases due to,

3472
02:57:11,767 --> 02:57:14,767
new facilities going in, specifically in the nursing home realm.

3473
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:15,967
In Bedford,

3474
02:57:17,600 --> 02:57:20,600
so used those and

3475
02:57:21,000 --> 02:57:22,200
math points.

3476
02:57:22,200 --> 02:57:25,967
I spoke with all fire and EMS agencies

3477
02:57:25,967 --> 02:57:28,934
that cover all counties in the state.

3478
02:57:29,166 --> 02:57:33,834
And I even did a walkthrough of the new facility, up in Merrimack County,

3479
02:57:34,900 --> 02:57:37,900
along with the EMS chief up there.

3480
02:57:38,400 --> 02:57:44,667
So on the lower end of estimates, and I'll talk about a couple concerns

3481
02:57:44,667 --> 02:57:48,233
that I have that why I can validate this is that way on the lower end,

3482
02:57:49,333 --> 02:57:53,300
based on data provided by the fire EMS agencies who cover the ten county jails

3483
02:57:53,300 --> 02:57:57,634
in the state, we anticipate a call volume of 0.08, call

3484
02:57:57,634 --> 02:58:01,200
for fire calls per bid, and 0.69

3485
02:58:01,433 --> 02:58:05,133
calls per bed for the proposed 485 bed facility.

3486
02:58:05,166 --> 02:58:09,233
We anticipate the annual call volume of 39 fire calls and 335 EMS calls.

3487
02:58:10,567 --> 02:58:13,800
See the number well as total 39 fire.

3488
02:58:14,166 --> 02:58:17,166
Yeah, 335 EMS.

3489
02:58:19,166 --> 02:58:22,133
And what does that come out to cost wise?

3490
02:58:22,533 --> 02:58:24,100
Cost wise? Yeah.

3491
02:58:24,100 --> 02:58:28,066
So you figure I think our estimates right now is about 1100

3492
02:58:28,100 --> 02:58:31,100
per on.

3493
02:58:31,934 --> 02:58:34,834
What's our current call?

3494
02:58:34,834 --> 02:58:38,000
And, so.

3495
02:58:40,667 --> 02:58:42,900
I have that further.

3496
02:58:42,900 --> 02:58:48,100
So so the other piece that's a little hard is the Community Corrections Center.

3497
02:58:48,333 --> 02:58:52,133
There's not a lot of great data because Merrimack is the first one to do that.

3498
02:58:52,634 --> 02:58:56,667
However, I was actually pretty impressed with that, that portion of the jail

3499
02:58:56,667 --> 02:59:00,433
when I did the walk through there, that, from talking

3500
02:59:00,433 --> 02:59:03,767
with, Boscawen Fire and Penicuik Rescue,

3501
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:08,934
that facility actually has very, very low impact comparatively.

3502
02:59:09,700 --> 02:59:12,700
So those are .04 and point one for EMS.

3503
02:59:13,233 --> 02:59:18,767
So anyway, so we're looking for a total about

3504
02:59:19,066 --> 02:59:22,767
fire call volume, increasing our total by about 6%.

3505
02:59:22,767 --> 02:59:25,100
And you must call volume increasing by 14%.

3506
02:59:26,166 --> 02:59:28,800
So significant do we just have to either

3507
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:33,133
the taxpayers of Goffstown pay for our fire department to respond

3508
02:59:33,133 --> 02:59:36,533
to all those calls, and we're just paying for they have to pay for a call.

3509
02:59:36,533 --> 02:59:41,333
So any EMS call would we do would be able to seek reimbursement.

3510
02:59:41,333 --> 02:59:41,767
However, it's

3511
02:59:41,767 --> 02:59:45,834
likely going to be at, a Medicare rate and it's going to be significant.

3512
02:59:45,834 --> 02:59:51,133
So that gets us into a very similar to what the chief is talking about,

3513
02:59:51,734 --> 02:59:55,033
is the agreements that are put in place at the time of the building.

3514
02:59:55,033 --> 02:59:59,500
So, do we put something in that we can bill

3515
02:59:59,667 --> 03:00:02,667
the county for the transport

3516
03:00:02,800 --> 03:00:06,000
instead of going after the individual for payment?

3517
03:00:06,734 --> 03:00:09,834
Not a lot of these people have medical insurance,

3518
03:00:10,266 --> 03:00:12,166
so we're not going to get a dime following that.

3519
03:00:12,166 --> 03:00:13,033
Yeah, yeah.

3520
03:00:13,033 --> 03:00:17,133
And one of the other things that has recently changed

3521
03:00:17,233 --> 03:00:20,900
has me made my statistical analysis extremely difficult

3522
03:00:21,533 --> 03:00:24,734
is all the counties in, in the state have recently changed over

3523
03:00:24,734 --> 03:00:28,800
from a county based,

3524
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:33,133
employee per medical to a private company.

3525
03:00:34,166 --> 03:00:34,967
Since change

3526
03:00:34,967 --> 03:00:38,900
in that just happened last year, since changing the, both

3527
03:00:39,433 --> 03:00:42,100
Merrimack and Hillsboro have seen more

3528
03:00:42,100 --> 03:00:46,333
than a 30% increase in medical call volume when they changed over

3529
03:00:46,333 --> 03:00:51,300
from their own employees to a third party medical provider.

3530
03:00:52,166 --> 03:00:55,166
So liability wise, they're shipping more out.

3531
03:00:55,867 --> 03:00:58,834
Additional concerns are,

3532
03:01:01,066 --> 03:01:02,900
and like the chief was talking about

3533
03:01:02,900 --> 03:01:05,900
is you have temporary hold

3534
03:01:05,967 --> 03:01:08,900
instead of sending people out.

3535
03:01:08,900 --> 03:01:11,900
So instead of sending correctional officers out,

3536
03:01:12,233 --> 03:01:15,133
for these people to go be seen in the emergency department,

3537
03:01:15,133 --> 03:01:18,166
they just release them because they're going to release them in 12 hours anyway.

3538
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:22,600
So they don't send correctional officers in the ambulance,

3539
03:01:23,667 --> 03:01:26,400
as you'll, as Derek pointed out, is

3540
03:01:26,400 --> 03:01:30,133
this facility is made to run with less personnel.

3541
03:01:30,967 --> 03:01:32,600
So that's going to happen more.

3542
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:36,734
One of the other impacts that I'm really concerned about

3543
03:01:36,734 --> 03:01:39,934
is the toll, on our personnel,

3544
03:01:40,767 --> 03:01:45,533
specifically our female employees or, the stuff that they deal

3545
03:01:45,533 --> 03:01:48,533
with going into these facilities is

3546
03:01:49,600 --> 03:01:52,133
absolutely horrendous.

3547
03:01:52,133 --> 03:01:55,433
Verbally as well as, physical during transports

3548
03:01:55,500 --> 03:01:58,500
and when the correctional officers are not there during transports,

3549
03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:02,367
obviously, that's something our personnel, our impacted by.

3550
03:02:03,667 --> 03:02:06,834
So with them reducing their staffing,

3551
03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:11,100
the less likely our personnel are going to be covered by a correctional officer,

3552
03:02:11,634 --> 03:02:14,934
which then means I'm not going to leave that person alone

3553
03:02:14,934 --> 03:02:16,233
with one of these people.

3554
03:02:16,233 --> 03:02:18,400
So that means I'm taking the engine out of service

3555
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:21,400
so I can have somebody else on the.

3556
03:02:21,934 --> 03:02:23,200
Which obviously means

3557
03:02:23,200 --> 03:02:26,233
they're not able to go to on a call.

3558
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:31,166
So and because we're not going to tie up these guys to, to do it.

3559
03:02:31,567 --> 03:02:34,567
But I will point out, that corruption, we had that

3560
03:02:35,000 --> 03:02:37,367
a couple times with the prison where they didn't

3561
03:02:38,533 --> 03:02:39,767
feel comfortable,

3562
03:02:39,767 --> 03:02:42,900
you know, when doc could not release people, their, their, their guards.

3563
03:02:42,900 --> 03:02:45,867
And there there were several times that I can't, don't numbers.

3564
03:02:45,867 --> 03:02:50,133
But I remember specifically we had to like escort the ambulance over to CMC,

3565
03:02:50,600 --> 03:02:53,967
because they don't have enough staff to cover their own, you know, people,

3566
03:02:54,367 --> 03:02:54,967
they're prisoners.

3567
03:02:54,967 --> 03:02:58,367
Again, those were permanent prisoners in the hospital.

3568
03:02:58,367 --> 03:02:58,634
Right.

3569
03:02:58,634 --> 03:03:02,066
So, I don't know what it's going to look like when you have, like,

3570
03:03:03,734 --> 03:03:07,266
more inmates that are so one of the other turning up in here

3571
03:03:07,567 --> 03:03:12,000
procedurally that, we're concerned about is Hillsborough County.

3572
03:03:12,500 --> 03:03:14,900
Valley Street Jail currently.

3573
03:03:14,900 --> 03:03:17,900
They actually transport a lot of the,

3574
03:03:18,600 --> 03:03:21,533
inmates over to the hospital

3575
03:03:21,533 --> 03:03:24,533
because it's so close in their vans

3576
03:03:24,967 --> 03:03:27,867
for pay for medical bills.

3577
03:03:27,867 --> 03:03:29,700
So for psych evals and things

3578
03:03:30,734 --> 03:03:32,367
for minor, smaller.

3579
03:03:32,367 --> 03:03:33,133
Yes. Psych evals,

3580
03:03:33,133 --> 03:03:36,700
Some minor medical complaints, that type stuff, they'll actually take them

3581
03:03:36,700 --> 03:03:40,600
in one of the corrections vans instead of calling an ambulance to reduce the load.

3582
03:03:41,500 --> 03:03:43,834
But it's really close.

3583
03:03:43,834 --> 03:03:44,166
Yeah.

3584
03:03:44,166 --> 03:03:48,200
And also with the staffing model

3585
03:03:48,233 --> 03:03:51,233
being smaller, I'm seeing the impact there.

3586
03:03:51,767 --> 03:03:54,834
Merrimack County, when I was there, and this

3587
03:03:55,967 --> 03:03:58,266
they were Merrimack County was absolutely phenomenal.

3588
03:03:58,266 --> 03:04:00,467
I thank you very much for all the information.

3589
03:04:00,467 --> 03:04:03,433
The captain I walk around with actually came from Valley Street.

3590
03:04:04,033 --> 03:04:07,667
So and he was actually on the committee for what

3591
03:04:07,667 --> 03:04:11,066
we're talking about tonight, before coming over to Merrimack.

3592
03:04:11,066 --> 03:04:14,200
So that was extremely helpful as well as he's also a volunteer firefighter.

3593
03:04:15,100 --> 03:04:17,634
So he knew some of that stuff, too.

3594
03:04:17,634 --> 03:04:20,066
He's a very, very valuable resource.

3595
03:04:20,066 --> 03:04:23,634
One of the other things is that the town of Boscawen is

3596
03:04:23,634 --> 03:04:27,066
very concerned about is having people that are released walk down roads.

3597
03:04:28,433 --> 03:04:29,533
So what they

3598
03:04:29,533 --> 03:04:32,533
do is they, give courtesy rides.

3599
03:04:32,834 --> 03:04:35,834
Corrections officer gives courtesy rides to the Franklin town line,

3600
03:04:36,667 --> 03:04:41,367
or the market basket, exit something like that.

3601
03:04:41,667 --> 03:04:43,934
Down there,

3602
03:04:43,934 --> 03:04:47,734
again, with personnel decreasing.

3603
03:04:48,767 --> 03:04:50,700
I'm worried about that.

3604
03:04:50,700 --> 03:04:53,033
I mean, that they're not going to be given a courtesy, right?

3605
03:04:53,033 --> 03:04:54,567
Yeah, that's right near Saint Anne's.

3606
03:04:54,567 --> 03:04:57,567
And you also have residential right there, right.

3607
03:04:57,867 --> 03:05:00,867
How's market basket field off those drop offs?

3608
03:05:01,100 --> 03:05:04,100
I don't think I'd be thrilled if there's a business.

3609
03:05:05,233 --> 03:05:06,967
That that that relates to us. But.

3610
03:05:06,967 --> 03:05:08,367
So there's a lot to answer questions.

3611
03:05:08,367 --> 03:05:12,133
So we could just so Bedford Market basket I feel very confident

3612
03:05:12,400 --> 03:05:16,934
about the call volume increase it's going to have on us for with fire and EMS.

3613
03:05:17,266 --> 03:05:18,800
And I'm saying that's on the low end.

3614
03:05:22,900 --> 03:05:25,834
And their their procedures will significantly change.

3615
03:05:25,834 --> 03:05:29,567
It can change I think at this point we should put our concerns in a letter

3616
03:05:30,033 --> 03:05:32,133
and send them to our reps.

3617
03:05:32,133 --> 03:05:35,934
I think it'd be good to send it to the county commissioners as well as our reps.

3618
03:05:36,533 --> 03:05:40,066
I could draft something up and provide that to you at the next meeting

3619
03:05:40,600 --> 03:05:43,500
of what some of the concerns are or some of the questions.

3620
03:05:43,500 --> 03:05:47,433
And if the county is going to move in this direction,

3621
03:05:47,934 --> 03:05:50,934
how the town should be involved in,

3622
03:05:51,166 --> 03:05:54,033
some of these discussions, you need a motion for that there.

3623
03:05:54,033 --> 03:05:55,100
No, I can do that.

3624
03:05:55,100 --> 03:05:58,100
Now. Put a draft in your in the packet.

3625
03:05:58,133 --> 03:05:59,400
Okay.

3626
03:05:59,400 --> 03:06:00,266
Great. Good.

3627
03:06:00,266 --> 03:06:02,467
I think that's that's probably all we can do right now.

3628
03:06:05,266 --> 03:06:07,300
Well we'll have next year.

3629
03:06:07,300 --> 03:06:08,700
Oh no.

3630
03:06:08,700 --> 03:06:12,800
This is this they estimated would be a $285 million project

3631
03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:15,734
with the 5% annual increase.

3632
03:06:15,734 --> 03:06:19,967
So, you know, this is a very big project, and then they have to

3633
03:06:20,867 --> 03:06:23,100
I don't know what their bonding process is.

3634
03:06:23,100 --> 03:06:26,133
I assume it involves their delegation. So,

3635
03:06:27,166 --> 03:06:30,166
yeah.

3636
03:06:30,634 --> 03:06:32,200
Chair I to fill up.

3637
03:06:32,200 --> 03:06:33,200
Okay.

3638
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:34,934
Just give it five years in between each one.

3639
03:06:34,934 --> 03:06:36,066
The worst.

3640
03:06:36,066 --> 03:06:39,000
Chief, I'd like to read your mind sometimes with those faces.

3641
03:06:39,000 --> 03:06:42,000
I know it sounds like we're two to.

3642
03:06:42,500 --> 03:06:45,333
I like to make up your own story.

3643
03:06:45,333 --> 03:06:46,867
Entertains me.

3644
03:06:46,867 --> 03:06:49,166
Yeah, I just, you know, I, I have my

3645
03:06:49,166 --> 03:06:53,333
I have the professional side of me as a as a chief of police in our community.

3646
03:06:53,567 --> 03:06:55,900
And I have my own personal feelings as a resident as well.

3647
03:06:55,900 --> 03:07:00,800
So I have to sometimes when you see that it's my residents, I can't speak.

3648
03:07:00,900 --> 03:07:01,900
We all have those two.

3649
03:07:02,967 --> 03:07:03,867
Yeah,

3650
03:07:03,867 --> 03:07:06,667
I know I do, and I'm holding it back right now.

3651
03:07:06,667 --> 03:07:10,100
I do think that, Derek, as

3652
03:07:11,867 --> 03:07:14,834
as the inputs from both chiefs and concerns that we may have

3653
03:07:14,834 --> 03:07:18,500
from the operational side, I do think that there's aspects of residential

3654
03:07:18,500 --> 03:07:21,467
that are important to kind of way into that as well.

3655
03:07:21,767 --> 03:07:25,734
You know, I know that we have a women's state prison here before.

3656
03:07:25,834 --> 03:07:30,634
I believe this would also be not only female, it also be male on both sides.

3657
03:07:30,634 --> 03:07:34,967
Yes. So, you know, and given the fact that we have,

3658
03:07:35,367 --> 03:07:38,367
you know, one of our largest taxpayers right near there,

3659
03:07:39,066 --> 03:07:42,834
and the impact of the students there really bothers me in some way, shape

3660
03:07:42,834 --> 03:07:45,834
or form that it's going to be rolling in and out of there, as well as the resident

3661
03:07:46,133 --> 03:07:50,300
side, who I think that that's one concern that we should have.

3662
03:07:50,300 --> 03:07:51,200
And the transport.

3663
03:07:51,200 --> 03:07:53,934
So like, we should be very clear as part of the concerns as part of that too.

3664
03:07:53,934 --> 03:07:54,200
There.

3665
03:07:58,367 --> 03:07:59,367
Okay.

3666
03:07:59,367 --> 03:08:01,500
Thank you once again.

3667
03:08:01,500 --> 03:08:04,166
Once.

3668
03:08:04,166 --> 03:08:04,567
Okay.

3669
03:08:04,567 --> 03:08:05,967
I think we're up to that night.

3670
03:08:05,967 --> 03:08:08,967
See the action matrix.

3671
03:08:10,367 --> 03:08:11,400
Thank you Chiefs by the way.

3672
03:08:11,400 --> 03:08:12,100
Yeah.

3673
03:08:12,100 --> 03:08:15,100
Thank you.

3674
03:08:22,467 --> 03:08:25,467
New team.

3675
03:08:27,767 --> 03:08:28,066
Yeah.

3676
03:08:28,066 --> 03:08:31,634
So the Donovan spring repair for the vehicle.

3677
03:08:32,300 --> 03:08:35,100
So I think that was it was that in this batch of invoices?

3678
03:08:35,100 --> 03:08:37,734
It was,

3679
03:08:37,734 --> 03:08:39,133
it was a few thousand dollars.

3680
03:08:39,133 --> 03:08:42,133
Is that the only thing wrong with that fire engine

3681
03:08:42,700 --> 03:08:44,433
is this, isn't it wasn't.

3682
03:08:44,433 --> 03:08:45,600
That was the spring issue.

3683
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:47,133
I saw

3684
03:08:47,133 --> 03:08:50,166
was another, system that has to go to multiple places.

3685
03:08:50,967 --> 03:08:53,967
Okay, so it's more than just a spring.

3686
03:08:54,367 --> 03:08:55,533
That's the first step.

3687
03:08:55,533 --> 03:08:58,533
Okay. Awesome.

3688
03:08:59,066 --> 03:09:01,333
And and have been under warranty.

3689
03:09:01,333 --> 03:09:02,934
You know,

3690
03:09:02,934 --> 03:09:05,567
the fuel for that?

3691
03:09:05,567 --> 03:09:07,033
Okay.

3692
03:09:07,033 --> 03:09:09,867
Sounds great.

3693
03:09:09,867 --> 03:09:10,400
Okay.

3694
03:09:10,400 --> 03:09:15,600
Last thing is, open it up for public comment again.

3695
03:09:16,133 --> 03:09:17,467
You guys want to comment?

3696
03:09:17,467 --> 03:09:20,033
No. You don't want to. Okay. Okay.

3697
03:09:20,033 --> 03:09:23,667
One question though, specifically on the old business

3698
03:09:24,667 --> 03:09:27,667
we had asked for, and Adam was out,

3699
03:09:28,900 --> 03:09:29,233
right.

3700
03:09:29,233 --> 03:09:32,233
We asked for him to

3701
03:09:32,900 --> 03:09:35,967
provide guidance and engineering on the lights over here.

3702
03:09:36,066 --> 03:09:36,333
Yeah.

3703
03:09:36,333 --> 03:09:39,400
So, Adam, Adam, I think we're going to shoot for the next meeting.

3704
03:09:39,567 --> 03:09:40,533
On that.

3705
03:09:40,533 --> 03:09:40,934
Okay.

3706
03:09:40,934 --> 03:09:45,000
Me talk to you, and I provided you all the background information,

3707
03:09:45,000 --> 03:09:49,767
but we're supposed to gather some some data on that for us.

3708
03:09:50,900 --> 03:09:52,467
Okay. Thank you.

3709
03:09:52,467 --> 03:09:55,533
For the record, you know, one chair for public comment.

3710
03:09:56,100 --> 03:09:58,667
So close public comment and,

3711
03:09:58,667 --> 03:10:01,667
entertain a motion.

3712
03:10:02,967 --> 03:10:03,333
Yeah.

3713
03:10:03,333 --> 03:10:04,867
So I have a nonpublic request.

3714
03:10:04,867 --> 03:10:08,900
One would be for, a is employee compensation.

3715
03:10:09,400 --> 03:10:13,834
And, second is l considering, legal advice,

3716
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:18,100
I'll make a motion that we enter nonpublic session or RSA

3717
03:10:18,100 --> 03:10:22,567
91, a column three, section two under items A and L.

3718
03:10:24,634 --> 03:10:25,867
Second

3719
03:10:25,867 --> 03:10:29,233
motion by Richard second and the judge in favor.

3720
03:10:29,900 --> 03:10:32,800
I present a it's a roll call. Yes.

3721
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:35,634
Yes, sir. Yes yes yes yes.

3722
03:10:35,634 --> 03:10:36,900
Okay. Oh.