[0:14] Okay.
[0:15] Good evening and welcome to the Goffstown Selectboard.
[0:17] July 13th, 2026. Regular meeting.
[0:20] If you will join me with the Pledge of Allegiance,
[0:24] I pledge allegiance to the flag,
[0:26] of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.
[0:31] One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty
[0:34] and justice for all.
[0:41] Everyone have seen the,
[0:44] June 22nd, public meetings.
[0:47] Minutes
[0:49] to entertain a motion.
[0:52] Make a motion.
[0:52] We accept the minutes.
[0:56] 622 2026, public and nonpublic.
[1:00] If corrections are needed, as will
[1:03] second to a motion by Mark, second by Richard.
[1:06] All in favor?
[1:07] I okay, I don't see any announcements.
[1:11] Anybody have any announcements?
[1:14] Okay.
[1:17] Open the floor for public comment.
[1:18] Anyone have any public comment for.
[1:21] No, not not anything specific on the agenda today. Just,
[1:25] anything.
[1:28] Okay. Hearing nothing.
[1:29] We'll move on.
[1:33] Maybe with the fire chief.
[1:34] Do you want to do the, the grant?
[1:37] We got a little time.
[1:41] This is a I have this.
[1:48] Charge of which one?
[1:49] Not the public hearing one.
[1:52] The one that you added.
[1:53] Yeah, sure.
[2:01] So we have an opportunity
[2:02] to apply for a grant.
[2:07] What I'm asking for is
[2:10] I've been working with a couple departments in our area
[2:14] to look at possibly regional izing our E-m-s
[2:17] transport capability and utilizing,
[2:20] limited resources in the entire region a little bit more effectively.
[2:24] That is a gigantic project.
[2:26] And very costly to look into the studies and stuff like that.
[2:31] However, right now is an opportunity
[2:33] for us to get a grant that's 100% funded.
[2:37] That could actually pay for the study of that.
[2:41] So unfortunately,
[2:44] the grants I just I gave you guys the dates, it's a very short window.
[2:49] So I apologize.
[2:52] We're getting to to today.
[2:54] We're still working through some issues.
[2:57] Golf sound technically right now
[3:00] is not considered a rural community, nor is where, for some odd reason.
[3:05] But cities like Concord are, So we're working through that.
[3:08] So, we do think we may
[3:11] we have some workarounds, especially since this is a regional project.
[3:15] So we do think we're still going to be eligible, as of right now,
[3:19] looking at the face, we're not.
[3:20] However, we are working with the, grant administrators,
[3:23] and they're trying to help us
[3:25] because they like the idea, our project, and it goes towards the project.
[3:29] So what I'm asking for is permission to apply for a,
[3:35] so just apply for the grant.
[3:37] Yes. What I'm asking for is just permission to do that.
[3:40] Any commitments?
[3:41] No commitments.
[3:42] And. Well, what is can you kind of explain at a high level
[3:45] and around the region the job. Sure.
[3:47] So as we know,
[3:50] staffing among all emergency responders
[3:53] nationwide is is a significant issue, especially here in New Hampshire.
[3:56] We've definitely been dealing with here in Goffstown.
[3:59] So we're trying to go to
[4:02] is more of a regional approach that a lot of other states have gone to.
[4:05] We want to look at some options with that, and there's
[4:10] a lot of stakeholder involvement to get something like that done.
[4:13] Because especially here in New Hampshire,
[4:15] so much of what we do is, is local based local control.
[4:20] And it's going to take a lot
[4:21] for people to get in the mindset of if they want to
[4:26] use resources more efficiently
[4:29] and save money over the long term, that we need to start looking
[4:33] at these out of the box ideas and changing the way things that have been done.
[4:38] As you and I have talked about before, is this town relied
[4:43] so much on our volunteers for a very long time,
[4:46] and we're very successful in doing that
[4:47] a lot longer than most communities in the state.
[4:50] And there are a lot of towns struggling right now to, to get resources.
[4:55] And we want to use our resources the best we can.
[4:58] As I came in when I applied for this position
[5:00] as a resident, I want to try to find as many opportunities
[5:04] for us to decrease our taxes and use our resources efficiently.
[5:08] This is one of those ideas.
[5:09] So this would like almost create like a county level fire
[5:13] or it's what the project is going to do
[5:17] is look at what options do we have and what are the pluses and minuses.
[5:22] The grant project I'm proposing would do a study
[5:26] and that study audience would actually be this board,
[5:30] as well as other boards in the area and the communities that we serve.
[5:35] It wouldn't be towards us.
[5:37] So the what I've seen is similar studies
[5:40] before is, hey, here's 4 or 5 different options.
[5:45] Here's the pluses and minuses of those, as well as the steps
[5:48] that you would need to do in order to enact it.
[5:50] And how it worked from there.
[5:53] And I was just having a conversation
[5:56] before with another peer is a lot of this is
[5:59] if we're looking at decreasing costs,
[6:03] we need to let go of a little control and go to a regional system.
[6:07] And that's really tough for some people.
[6:09] Yeah, it may not be reducing costs more, spreading it out amongst communities
[6:13] that so that's that's the thing is like we've seen in the we had that
[6:17] five year span right of just the fire trucks 28% increase over five years.
[6:22] Yeah. Absolutely insane. So does
[6:27] our area really need that many in total?
[6:30] That's the question I want to see your answer.
[6:32] Cool.
[6:34] Any other questions?
[6:37] Okay.
[6:38] Now motion.
[6:40] Make a motion.
[6:43] For, allowing, the chief,
[6:45] to partake and, apply for the grant.
[6:49] They would have fun to study the Sherman alternative VMs,
[6:53] service models for a region. Second.
[6:56] Okay.
[6:56] Motion by George, second by Mark.
[6:59] Any other comments?
[7:01] In favor?
[7:03] I, like opposed.
[7:04] All right.
[7:04] Having.
[7:11] Ken, the police chief
[7:12] do the highway safety recommendations in seven minutes.
[7:16] Okay.
[7:18] He's got it.
[7:20] What do you want to.
[7:25] Yeah, whatever your attempts.
[7:27] Seven.
[7:33] Good evening everyone.
[7:34] Happy Monday.
[7:36] I'm here to present the,
[7:39] June 10th highway safety.
[7:43] Committees.
[7:45] Recommendations.
[7:46] So we had two that we talked about, up front.
[7:50] The first one we had was,
[7:51] a parking complaint on Norman Road at the bottom of the hill closest
[7:55] to South Mass involving, parking with the Goffstown junior baseball.
[8:01] The highway safety committee took a look at it.
[8:04] We did recognize that during
[8:07] baseball season, typically on Sundays, sometimes on some Saturdays,
[8:11] there is multiple, cars parking on both sides of normal road.
[8:15] We decided as a committee not to take any action on that,
[8:20] as instead of putting on no parking on each side of the road,
[8:24] we decided that I have the power just to put a temporary no parking
[8:27] sign up there, which we did, which curb those people from,
[8:31] parking on that side, which basically the board, the Goffstown
[8:35] Junior Baseball Board put out another email saying, just don't park there.
[8:38] And they basically everybody kind of went on the other side of the street
[8:41] and hasn't been a problem sets.
[8:42] So our plan would be to, during that first couple of months of baseball season,
[8:47] to let them know, to continue to kind of help with the ease
[8:51] of parking on both sides,
[8:52] that we can be quick, does little quick signs in there without changing town laws,
[8:56] without going through a follow up hearing it just a quick thing we can do.
[8:59] So the Highway Safety Committee decided to take no action on that.
[9:03] Any questions for the chief?
[9:06] Okay.
[9:09] Entertain a motion on that one.
[9:12] I'll make a motion that we take
[9:14] no action on the Norman Road.
[9:18] Go to town.
[9:18] Junior baseball fields.
[9:22] Your second, second
[9:25] motion by Mark, second by Allison.
[9:26] All in favor? Aye. Opposed?
[9:29] Okay. All right.
[9:30] The next one came from a resident up on the area of,
[9:35] Shirley Hill, by Brian Road.
[9:38] There's a significant curve up there.
[9:40] His concern was that on one side of the curve coming up the hill,
[9:44] there is a, a basically a shop curve sign ahead and some chevrons.
[9:48] But on the other side there wasn't we took a look at it.
[9:52] I do agree with him.
[9:53] We probably should have some indicating signs on the other side of it.
[9:56] Closer to Bryan Road,
[9:57] you know, letting, motorists know that there's a sharp curve coming up.
[10:01] We also recognize that there probably should be
[10:04] some more Chevron signs closer to that side that as you're coming down,
[10:08] you see those Chevron signs turning, to alert motorists.
[10:12] Incidentally, we've had more accidents, on the other side coming up the hill,
[10:16] crashing down there in the past with all the signs, not the other way,
[10:20] but I still think that it should be, well, posted.
[10:23] The other conversation we had is highway safety was, you'll see in the memo here
[10:27] a ball band test.
[10:29] That is a way that highway can go out and they can do what's called balancing test.
[10:33] They have this little ball that tells you a recommended speed for the curve,
[10:36] and that's the only way we can put out a recommended speed, because the, the,
[10:40] person requested to have a recommended speed to slow down.
[10:43] So highway safety recommended putting the Chevron signs the other 90
[10:47] degree or sharp curve ahead sign, and then authorizing,
[10:51] DPW to go out and do a ball bank to see if we should put a reduce speed.
[10:55] Sign up there. So there may be a follow on.
[10:58] So if what we I would ask if we make that recommendation
[11:02] is if the ball bank does show that there should be a sign
[11:05] that says reduced to like 15 or 20, that you allow DPW to put that on there.
[11:09] So we can just kind of put this one be done with it.
[11:11] Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir.
[11:12] I'll make a motion, to direct DPW to conduct a ball bank test
[11:17] and add two chevrons to the curve as well as, authorize,
[11:21] both, the chief and DPW to,
[11:26] put the recommended speed in there off of the ball.
[11:29] Thank test. Perfect.
[11:31] Second.
[11:32] Okay. Motion by George, second by Mark.
[11:35] Any further comments? Questions?
[11:37] Okay. Hearing none. Okay. All in favor?
[11:39] Opposed?
[11:42] Hi, Sam. It
[11:44] 63 minutes.
[11:47] Thank you.
[11:51] What else can we get done in three minutes?
[11:53] What you might want to do is, invite the fire chief back up.
[11:57] He can get the background on.
[11:59] Okay, we can get the grant.
[12:01] And and then you could open up the public hearing for it, because it sounds great.
[12:06] Jeff.
[12:11] Musical chairs coming back.
[12:16] Evening.
[12:17] So tonight we have the public comment for acceptance of the grant.
[12:21] $250,000,
[12:24] for towards the replacement of our fire engine, which is already
[12:28] slated to be replaced, that you have already proved to be replaced
[12:34] for the grant itself
[12:36] comes from the Volkswagen,
[12:39] lawsuit.
[12:40] And that's where the funds are, at the state level.
[12:44] And towns apply for it to basically,
[12:50] make their fleet cleaner, more efficient.
[12:53] So that's what it does.
[12:54] The big catch with this grant is that the vehicle has to be scrapped.
[12:59] The engine has to be scrapped, at the end.
[13:02] So you're seeing the terms conditions.
[13:03] The frame has to be cut, the engine has to be drilled.
[13:06] But we weren't planning on it
[13:08] giving it to another department anyway, when it when it's done.
[13:12] The reason again, just to keep you guys in
[13:15] the loop is we applied for two separate grants for this.
[13:18] The other one that the state, has money for through the years,
[13:23] was very similar to it,
[13:25] but because of the time frame of how long it takes to build the trucks,
[13:28] that we were not able to get within that window.
[13:32] And we are at the maximum, for that window right now.
[13:39] Okay.
[13:41] Thanks.
[13:42] You and anyone here for public comment on, on the, Hampshire
[13:47] Volkswagen Environmental Mitigation Trust grant application?
[13:54] Okay.
[13:54] Hearing no one, or seeing no one,
[13:59] I will close the public hearing,
[14:01] and, we can vote on that tonight, correct?
[14:03] Yes. Okay.
[14:04] I'll entertain a motion.
[14:07] Motion to accept and expend
[14:08] unanticipated funds pursuant to RSA 3195,
[14:12] totaling $250,000.00 from the state of New Hampshire Department of Environmental
[14:17] Services, New Hampshire, Volkswagen Environmental Mitigation Trust,
[14:21] Granite State Clean Fleet Grant number NH, VW
[14:25] 202601007.
[14:28] To be used to reduce diesel emissions by replacing the Town of Boston's 2000
[14:32] and 5E1 fire engine, noting the total cost of this project
[14:36] will be 1,090,979,
[14:39] which the town will be responsible for a 20% match, which is 840,979.
[14:47] Second okay motion by Allison, seconded by Richard.
[14:50] Any further comments?
[14:53] Okay. All in favor?
[14:55] All right.
[14:56] Those
[14:57] guys have it.
[15:01] Thank you, thank you.
[15:04] Now we have,
[15:06] community Development block grant project
[15:09] from Middleville.
[15:12] And, that's open for public hearing.
[15:15] This one is broken up into three public hearings.
[15:18] Three parts, correct? Yes.
[15:19] And you have a pretty specific,
[15:22] language in your packet at page six.
[15:25] Yeah.
[15:25] That, unfortunately, the board really shouldn't read
[15:29] all, and open it for public comment on the three different items
[15:34] so help satisfy the application process when it goes to this, city effort.
[15:40] Okay.
[15:41] This public outreach, if you want,
[15:43] but I have to ask you to wait until 620, because that's what it's in the paper.
[15:47] Yeah.
[15:48] So can we do something else for a minute about it?
[15:50] So it does say 620.
[15:53] If you'd like, I can do, consent agenda.
[15:55] Yeah.
[15:56] So with ten, eight C.
[16:03] So in your consent agenda,
[16:05] you have employee status reports, you have,
[16:09] full time, patrol officer successful end of probationary period.
[16:13] You have a new hire of a patrol officer, you have a resignation
[16:17] of a master control officer, and you have a resignation of a full time
[16:21] dispatcher and, firefighter.
[16:25] We had a successful and a probationary period and resignation.
[16:30] Public works, you have a full time scale house operator, a full time truck driver,
[16:35] and full time heavy equipment operator all receiving their way.
[16:38] Master differential earned the collective bargaining agreement.
[16:42] Parks and rec give a lifeguard to seasonal new hire.
[16:46] You have, event permits for our craft vendor
[16:49] fair on August 15th, 2026.
[16:53] From 10 to 1. That's the Bel Air Nursing home.
[16:57] You also have a deposit voucher for the grass
[16:59] for Town Hall restoration Fund in the amount of $20.
[17:03] And then you have an off cycle betterment assessment.
[17:05] This is for the Bench Wilderness Park drinking water
[17:08] project in the amount of $579.15.
[17:15] Okay.
[17:16] You can make a motion to approve the consensus agenda
[17:19] as presented this evening.
[17:21] Second motion by Mark. Second by Allison.
[17:24] Any comments?
[17:25] All in favor? Aye. Opposed?
[17:28] All I have,
[17:30] I guess one other one.
[17:33] We can make about four minutes at tab eight b,
[17:38] you have a proposed memorandum of understanding
[17:42] between the town and the friends of the Goffstown Rail Trail.
[17:46] So the Village Bridge ad
[17:48] hoc committee has been working with the friends of the Ghost Town Rail Trail.
[17:52] And this is something that this board directed them
[17:55] to do as part of the revised charter, what you directed
[17:59] and do as part of the revised charter was to develop a memorandum of
[18:02] understanding between Friends of Crosstown Rail Trail
[18:05] and the town to clearly define responsibilities, procedures
[18:09] and accountability regarding funds and pledges.
[18:12] You have a copy of that,
[18:14] proposed memorandum in your packet.
[18:18] Be happy to answer any questions board members might have this evening.
[18:22] And what I'm seeking is,
[18:25] do you want to move forward with this and send it?
[18:27] So I would recommend sending this to the town attorney for review.
[18:31] And suggestion revisions.
[18:35] Any questions?
[18:36] Where's the pedestrian bridge that they're talking about or where would it be?
[18:40] Where the old, railroad bridge.
[18:43] Right next to Main Street, between Rotary Park
[18:47] and the bridge abutment, over the river.
[18:52] Where the two
[18:54] you'll see on both ends, the granite blocks are set up.
[18:58] Go ahead. We'll go from there.
[18:59] So the end of the rail trail, you kind of see.
[19:02] Gotcha.
[19:05] Okay.
[19:08] This is only for the online I was looking at there.
[19:11] So this would be for all fundraising not designated for the bridge.
[19:15] Basically, the friends of the Goffstown Rail Trail would be the 501,
[19:20] C3, accepting those grants and holding those.
[19:23] And then it also talks about, procedure of what would happen if the Select board
[19:29] decided to cease all activities related to, this fundraising project.
[19:38] So even if they're raising towards
[19:42] the, the bridge,
[19:44] they're going to deduct administrative fees
[19:48] at 50%, right? Yes.
[19:52] Well, sufficient funds to cover
[19:54] 50% of administrative expenses. So.
[20:00] So that would be their their post office box fees,
[20:03] governmental filing fees, their website fees,
[20:06] and then correspondence directly
[20:10] related to this agreement.
[20:16] If you're just looking for a motion for us to send it to them to come. Yes.
[20:20] Or if there's anything in here that could be concerns about,
[20:23] we can bring it back to the bridge committee,
[20:25] how would it be covering like the 20% requirement that we have put out?
[20:29] Does that need to come from the town for the Tap grant?
[20:32] So the Tap grant, that was the whole idea was to work
[20:35] with Friends of Goffstown Rail Trail to start collecting those funds
[20:39] between now and four years from now, when that grant opens up again.
[20:43] And, that's what, that 20%.
[20:46] Yeah.
[20:46] So that's what we need to make sure that there's a good fiduciary hand off
[20:50] and how that occurs.
[20:51] So that's probably where the attorney would come in. Yes.
[20:53] To understand if we need some sort of like another accounts. Yes.
[20:56] That up here okay. Yeah.
[20:58] So I'll make a motion to have this reviewed
[21:02] by the town attorney and give us guidance on how this would work
[21:05] with the Tap grant and for paying for the bridge.
[21:08] And, should we want to tap for it
[21:11] second.
[21:12] Okay.
[21:12] Motion by Josh, second by Mark.
[21:14] Any other comments? Questions?
[21:16] All in favor?
[21:18] Opposed?
[21:19] You guys have it.
[21:21] Okay. Now,
[21:23] go to tab six.
[21:28] The like reading
[21:30] love to.
[21:31] Okay.
[21:34] You can open the first public hearing I will read to you.
[21:37] You can just state your name and your address for the record.
[21:41] Donna Lane Madison, new Hampshire, Cdbg consulting.
[21:45] Okay, this is not your first rodeo.
[21:48] Okay.
[21:50] Okay.
[21:51] You will have you open the first one on the proposed application, right.
[21:55] Read from,
[21:57] Community Development Block
[21:58] grant funds from that paragraph.
[22:02] I think she wants you to read this one.
[22:03] Oh, you're opening the.
[22:05] Oh, I thought I did. Okay.
[22:07] Okay.
[22:08] First, I'm opening the public hearing on the proposed infrastructure
[22:12] improvements at Meadville Cooperative Cdbg application.
[22:17] Thank you.
[22:17] Okay, so there are handouts available here if anyone's interested.
[22:20] A Community Development Block grant funds are available to
[22:24] the New Hampshire Community Development Finance Authority.
[22:27] Up to $500,000 is available for economic development projects,
[22:32] up to $1 million in supportive housing projects, up to 750,000
[22:36] for housing projects, up to 750,000 for public facility projects,
[22:41] up to $500,000 in emergency funds, and up to $25,000 per planning
[22:46] study grant. All projects must directly benefit
[22:49] a majority of low and moderate income persons.
[22:52] This is a proposed application to the Community Development Finance
[22:55] Authority for up to 750,000, and so Cdbg public facility funds.
[23:01] Of the grant funds, up to 35,000 will will be retained
[23:04] for administrative and procurement and labor compliance costs,
[23:08] and the remainder will be granted to Meadville Cooperative, a 301
[23:12] unit manufactured housing park located at Donald Drive in Goffstown.
[23:16] It was cost of sewer, septic and or water infrastructure and
[23:21] infrastructure improvements.
[23:23] This project conforms with Boston's proposed Housing Community Development
[23:26] Plan goal of encourage municipal and private water
[23:30] and wastewater systems that are safe, sanitary and meet these regulations.
[23:35] Thank you, thank you.
[23:36] Is there anyone here? Anyone have public comments?
[23:39] On what was just read this part of the grant application
[23:44] and you want to come up on.
[23:52] You get up for now.
[23:54] You can. Okay? Okay.
[23:57] Good evening. Folks.
[23:58] I have to emphasize here that I'm speaking both as an individual
[24:02] and a resident for now, eight years of the Meadowbrook community.
[24:07] And I just wanted to we emphasized to the board the importance of this grant
[24:13] to the future viability
[24:17] of Meadville as a community
[24:20] and as a source of affordable housing for seniors,
[24:26] and, I might add, unsubsidized
[24:29] affordable housing for seniors.
[24:33] Mayville was built about 40 years ago,
[24:37] shall we say, that plumbing, building codes and things
[24:40] like that weren't, what they are now 40 years ago.
[24:45] And Meadville had a number of problems with both sewer
[24:49] and water infrastructure over the years.
[24:53] We when I was on the board
[24:55] a couple of years back, we had a project that we studied.
[25:00] Basically, it's a 10 or $11
[25:02] million project to fix the sewer and water.
[25:07] And for the structure, there's been multiple leaks.
[25:11] There have been multiple sewer problems.
[25:15] And since we only have 300 homes in the community,
[25:18] I think if you divide 10 or 11 million
[25:21] by 300, you come up with a pretty daunting number,
[25:24] which is why this grant funding is so important to us.
[25:30] We've got long term plans to fix this roof
[25:36] cover, basically the first phase of it.
[25:40] We may be back in a few years or more funding for the next phase,
[25:45] but again, I just wish to emphasize the benefits, particularly in the current
[25:52] housing situation.
[25:55] We all know the runaway housing prices
[25:58] or lack of affordable housing.
[26:01] You know, the fact that you have
[26:04] probably some seniors who are,
[26:08] trapped in big homes because they can't afford to move anywhere else.
[26:13] Again, I think,
[26:15] I would just as for the town support in it,
[26:18] this is something that doesn't affect anyone's taxes.
[26:22] I would just emphasize to Meadville
[26:27] plows its home roads, picks up its own
[26:29] trash, does its own maintenance, and
[26:33] puts no children in the school system
[26:35] so there is no municipal burden involved.
[26:39] Also, I o you know, given given all of that, I would just hope
[26:42] that the board would think it would be a prudent decision
[26:46] to pass on this grant.
[26:49] Well, would you would you give you a name and your address, please?
[26:52] For the record, Leonard Stewart,
[26:55] 42 River Ledge Drive,
[26:57] and that is in the Manville development.
[27:01] Thank you.
[27:02] Thank you.
[27:07] Anyone else?
[27:08] Comments?
[27:12] Okay.
[27:13] Hearing none, I will close, that portion of the public
[27:16] hearing, that public hearing,
[27:20] okay.
[27:21] And I will open the public hearing on the residential Anti
[27:24] displacement and Relocation Assistance plan for the proposed
[27:28] infrastructure improvements at Meadville Cooperation Cooperative project.
[27:33] This plan outlines measures under the Uniform Relocation
[27:36] Act required for Cdbg projects that involve any displacement
[27:39] or relocation of persons or businesses if the town or to undertake a Cdbg project
[27:45] which involved displacement or relocation, they would follow this plan.
[27:48] The plan outlines the measures they would take to find comparable
[27:51] suitable housing for persons or businesses displaced or relocated.
[27:55] This project does not anticipate displacement or relocation
[27:59] as the improvements are for water, septic, sewer infrastructure in the park.
[28:03] This is a required plan that has been adopted
[28:05] every time you asked for Cdbg funds, even though it's
[28:08] not applicable to our project and you have adopted it in the past.
[28:12] When you've asked for Cdbg funds.
[28:14] Okay, anyone
[28:17] on comment, any comments?
[28:22] I have a question.
[28:24] So you're stating that if some of them were to become relocated,
[28:27] then the town would be responsible for placing them someplace else.
[28:29] So my understanding,
[28:31] if a different kind of if we were doing a different kind of project,
[28:34] they were rehabbing, a building and those people are being displaced
[28:38] for a little bit
[28:39] while we fix their apartments, then we'd have to build into the Cdbg budget,
[28:44] a budget for moving them around, and it's not costing them anything.
[28:48] So if we use a Cdbg funds for a project, we have to follow a Uniform
[28:52] Relocation Act.
[28:53] This is water sewer, not displacing or relocating
[28:56] anybody, but on a different project it might matter.
[28:59] So if there's a major failure in the sewer or the water line, what happens then?
[29:03] Well, we have insurance and stuff like that.
[29:06] We pull in.
[29:06] But, if while we're doing it, it have to be the contractor hit something
[29:11] and we either figure it out and make do, or we bring in water lines
[29:15] or bring in bottled water or something like that. We have.
[29:18] I mean, I can't I've been doing these for 40 years.
[29:21] We've never had anybody move out because we broke something and we break things.
[29:26] You know, we tend to break things.
[29:29] But the, the project has to undertake that left town.
[29:31] Right? The town is the one who's getting the grant.
[29:34] But it would come out of the grant or the project.
[29:38] That's.
[29:41] Okay.
[29:43] That's it.
[29:43] Then I will close, that section of the public hearing
[29:48] and I will open the last one,
[29:50] the public hearing on the proposed updated Housing
[29:53] and Community Development plan.
[29:56] So the last time you had a housing community
[29:59] development plan was quite a while ago.
[30:00] So it's probably a singles though.
[30:02] A housing community
[30:03] development plan is required to be eligible to apply for Cdbg funds.
[30:07] The proposed Housing Community Development Plan identifies needs
[30:10] which currently exist or are anticipated during the next three years.
[30:14] The plan provides a basis for guiding the town's housing
[30:17] and community development objectives and actions.
[30:20] In addition, the proposed plan includes the Cdbg Citizen Participation Plan
[30:25] that details the Cdbg requirements for public hearings.
[30:28] So these are the goals that are in the proposed plan.
[30:31] Encourage your buried stocks of safe, sanitary, decent,
[30:34] affordable housing for persons of all age and income groups.
[30:37] Encourage economic development
[30:38] activities to increase quality industrial and commercial development.
[30:42] Encourage the expansion and retention of employment opportunities for residents.
[30:47] Encourage municipal and private water
[30:49] and wastewater systems that are safe sanitary.
[30:51] Meet these regulations.
[30:53] Preserve and promote the town's historically
[30:55] and culturally significant structures, promote activities that protect the health
[30:59] and safety of the residents and visitors for adequate health,
[31:03] social services, recreational and social interaction
[31:06] services, and opportunities for residents and visitors.
[31:10] So you need a housing community development plan to apply for Cdbg funds,
[31:14] and you haven't had one that I know of for quite a while, I think.
[31:17] What was the date we had on the last fall in 2007 or 2?
[31:21] Yeah, which was probably almost identical to this proposed one, except for Cdphe
[31:27] has come out with that template, which now includes a citizen participation plan,
[31:31] which talks about how we have a public hearing
[31:33] before we apply and if we get funded, we have a public
[31:36] hearing during the project to update the public on the progress.
[31:42] Okay.
[31:42] Would anyone, anyone here to, testify on this portion of the,
[31:47] grant project?
[31:51] Okay.
[31:52] Seeing none. Hearing none.
[31:55] I we'll close the public hearing, before you leave,
[31:59] I like to ask one more question.
[32:02] Yeah.
[32:02] Last time you're here, you mentioned that, alone as well. Yes.
[32:07] How does that work? In conjunction with the grant.
[32:10] Well, the project is a couple of million dollars, but
[32:12] so Cdbg is part of the grant.
[32:16] And then does is I think it is at $1.6 million loan
[32:21] and $200,000 grant, $400,000 grant.
[32:24] So they all part of the project cost.
[32:29] Who's taking out the loan?
[32:30] The park.
[32:31] The park is taking off of them and there's no backing of us based upon this grant.
[32:36] So no responsibility to the town in any shape or form on the on the loan?
[32:40] No, the loan is between them and yes, what Cdbg is, they can't apply for Cdbg.
[32:45] They can go straight to DSS and do it right.
[32:48] Okay. The two of them.
[32:49] But unfortunately you have to go through the town for Cdbg.
[32:51] But this is just a grant.
[32:53] And the grant just a portion of the overall project.
[32:56] What happens if you don't get the other grant and the other loan?
[32:59] Then everything gets put on hold and we do it again later,
[33:02] so you won't be able to do anything even with the 750 K?
[33:05] No, because it's not enough to do if it would be deemed insufficient funding.
[33:10] We know, we know about, but they already have preliminary.
[33:14] We've been approved. Sorry.
[33:16] We've been approved for, by groundwater trust fund.
[33:22] They're doing all the financial piece of it right now.
[33:25] We've already been approved.
[33:26] It doesn't need final
[33:29] approval by governor and Executive council,
[33:32] which is basically all of the yes has to go through them.
[33:36] So what happens is,
[33:38] is that they are finishing their financial review of our community.
[33:42] And when they finish that, then they'll take it to the governance Council.
[33:44] My expectation is that it's going to be in August and they're August 11th, 2018.
[33:50] So we the groundwater councilman has approved it already.
[33:54] So the funds are there.
[33:56] They just need it.
[33:57] They don't have the final approval.
[33:58] They have the pre-approval already.
[33:59] So I mean, oftentimes we go in and we don't even have that.
[34:03] They're pretty far advanced here.
[34:05] But what they've done.
[34:09] So since you've basically testified,
[34:10] would you just give us your name and your address?
[34:12] Grace. It's okay.
[34:13] For the record, it's Kim Capon.
[34:14] I added the 1500 wind gust.
[34:16] Now, it might be a thank you.
[34:21] Okay.
[34:24] If you so desire,
[34:25] we can take this up in three votes.
[34:29] If anyone wants to make
[34:31] a motion on the first part.
[34:37] Make a motion to selectman.
[34:39] Wise, that sounds like my vote to approve on.
[34:42] Okay, but to approve the submittal
[34:43] of the Melville Club infrastructure Improvement Cdbg application and vote
[34:48] to authorize the town administrator to sign and submit the Cdbg application.
[34:52] And upon approval of the c dbg application, authorize the Town
[34:56] Administrator to execute any documents which may be necessary
[34:59] to effectuate the Cdbg contract and any amendments thereto.
[35:05] I'll second that.
[35:06] Okay. Motion by Allison, second by Josh.
[35:09] All in favor?
[35:10] I paused, okay, I have it.
[35:14] Second motion selectmen vote to adopt the Anti Displacement and Relocation
[35:19] Assistance plan for the Manville Co-op Infrastructure Improvements Project.
[35:23] Second
[35:25] motion by Allison, second by Josh.
[35:27] All in favor?
[35:28] Aye. Opposed I have it.
[35:31] And lastly, selectmen
[35:33] vote to adopt the updated Housing and Community Development Plan.
[35:36] Second.
[35:38] Okay.
[35:39] Motion by Allison, second by Josh. All in favor?
[35:42] All right.
[35:43] Opposed?
[35:45] Ayes have it. Okay. Thank you.
[35:46] Is it possible to get an update?
[35:48] You guys do finalize to let us know that you're all approved.
[35:51] Oh. We'll do. Thank you.
[35:54] Okay.
[35:58] Okay.
[35:59] I guess now we can do the department heads.
[36:01] Okay.
[36:01] Got time?
[36:08] Yeah.
[36:11] Okay, let's.
[36:12] I know by myself.
[36:14] So. I think.
[36:29] Are you.
[36:30] I just think I just want.
[36:34] Something.
[36:35] So just on the phone.
[36:42] Okay.
[36:46] Okay.
[36:47] You want to follow it the way it is in the packet?
[36:49] Sure, sure.
[36:49] So the first page on page one of your packet of tab four,
[36:54] we've just got a summary of the general fund, revenues,
[36:58] through quarter two.
[37:01] Good news is motor vehicle fees are on track.
[37:03] So those are, looking very good.
[37:07] We are lagging a little bit on interest, on investments.
[37:10] But we'll see a little bit of a bump here now that, property taxes have come
[37:15] in, treasurer does a very good job of of moving those over into some of our,
[37:19] higher interest, accounts,
[37:22] similar to a quarter one, building zoning,
[37:25] planning, revenues are, considerably down.
[37:29] We've seen a lot fewer applications for site plan for subdivisions.
[37:33] And our building permit applications are way down.
[37:36] So I think that's closer to 25% of what we,
[37:41] budgeted for.
[37:43] And then the only other notable thing that,
[37:45] finance is working with Adam on solid waste revenue.
[37:48] As you'll recall, there was a $3.50 cent per ton surcharge
[37:53] on on all solid waste taken to landfills.
[37:56] And DDS just opened the portal to start.
[38:00] Seeking reimbursement for that.
[38:02] So, Zach and Adam have been communicating on that.
[38:05] So, so with that, we know about how much that'll be.
[38:10] I think we got $22.
[38:12] I think we budgeted 21,000, but it's on
[38:15] actual tonnage that's taken, taken there.
[38:18] So we can we'll probably have a better idea,
[38:22] as we approach, budget season.
[38:25] So just for clarity, all the zoning changes
[38:26] that we've had seen from the state have not increased
[38:29] the number of houses that were built it just yet.
[38:32] We're just seeing, some fewer applications.
[38:35] We those are going to pick up, Acorn Drive.
[38:38] They have basically put that road in and we expect to
[38:41] they're going to start pulling permits, near the end of the year,
[38:44] but mostly in 2027 for that, those 46 units.
[38:47] So we got a few others that are in flight, but no new request.
[38:50] I haven't really seen a lot of come through planning board either.
[38:53] Correct.
[38:53] So mainly because of interest rates we think, or
[38:58] just generally.
[38:58] Yeah, yeah.
[39:02] So that's the revenues,
[39:04] on the, expenditures, if you'd like, we can find it out department
[39:09] by department.
[39:10] So, everything's looking good in, town hall and admin.
[39:16] We currently have two vacant positions, but we've been advertising that position,
[39:22] both positions for two weeks,
[39:23] so we're going to be setting up interviews, next at the beginning
[39:27] of next week with the hopes of bringing a candidate forward.
[39:31] Your next meeting, for those two positions.
[39:35] So, we have been
[39:37] one of the changes that we did
[39:39] do this year is, in the past, if somebody worked overtime,
[39:43] we have reclassify that and put it back into the full time wages line.
[39:47] We've actually left that in the overtime line.
[39:49] So, that we can actually see, what the effect of, we've had
[39:55] 3 or 4 short term disabilities and we've had a,
[39:58] we've had quite a few, surgeries in town all this year.
[40:01] So, a lot of people are pulling some extra hours to get, the necessary tasks done.
[40:07] As you see, admin legal services were almost 100% expended at this point.
[40:12] But, we are well under involved planning and zoning in assessing
[40:16] so what we budget for legal throughout, town hall.
[40:20] We're doing very good.
[40:22] And then facility lines were going to be probably
[40:24] a little bit high this year.
[40:27] Specifically, we've got some unplanned, maintenance projects.
[40:31] We have some soffit, repairs that need to be done on the front half,
[40:35] and then the, Hvac for where I.
[40:38] That serves our server room.
[40:39] We're in need some significant repairs there.
[40:41] So we're looking pricing those out right now and we'll be moving forward.
[40:45] So we don't have estimates or ballparks.
[40:47] Not yet.
[40:48] No, we haven't completed, getting all the estimates. So
[40:52] so that's pretty much,
[40:53] nothing really noteworthy for, for town hall.
[40:57] At this point.
[40:59] And then on the insurance side, when you did the default,
[41:03] reallocation, we put it back to your original, request.
[41:08] As you may recall, the Budget Committee cut funds out of that.
[41:11] So we did not return it, to that proposed amount.
[41:14] We checked it's going to be about $175,000.
[41:18] Underspend in that line, that you could,
[41:22] and that's mostly due to turnover or people, changing plans.
[41:27] Now it's hard to predict exactly what's going to happen
[41:31] because, it seems like we're having a lot of babies, different departments,
[41:36] and people know we're about, you know, a two person plan to a family. But,
[41:41] but, we'll see what quarter three and quarter four progressed.
[41:45] But we feel pretty confident that you're going to have that underspend this year.
[41:49] How much do they cut that by four.
[41:52] However, it was about that.
[41:53] It was about that much I think it's something like 200,000 or 55.
[41:58] Yeah. 275 they cut it by Emily.
[42:01] So I have to double check the exact number.
[42:03] Yeah. It'd be interesting to know how far off we were from it.
[42:06] And, with this projection, we did.
[42:09] If there's anything that we know as far as anybody
[42:11] that's come forward talking about changes for later in the year,
[42:15] as well as, projections for anybody that is turning 26.
[42:19] But of course, we're
[42:20] doing our best on their assumptions, to which plans they're going to take.
[42:23] Okay.
[42:28] Thank Lisa's next.
[42:30] Great.
[42:31] Well, my agency is one of the agencies having four babies this year.
[42:35] I great.
[42:37] We're moving along.
[42:38] Yeah, we're doing all right.
[42:40] Our budget is looking decent right now, but usually that's how it works
[42:44] in the first two quarters.
[42:45] As July comes around, we start to the pay increase to go for the union.
[42:49] So we start to see that change, the overtime changes.
[42:52] The big things
[42:53] that I'd like to point out, I put in the packet, we lost obviously,
[42:56] the beginning this year, 35 year veteran
[42:58] Kevin Laroche, who stayed out part time to help us with some transitioning,
[43:01] currently, staffing wise, we're down one patrol.
[43:05] Who you guys has heard that, resign and went to a different police department?
[43:10] We have one in the academy right now.
[43:13] One is in background.
[43:14] We're hiring them next week to fill that position.
[43:16] So we're down two operational.
[43:18] We have one
[43:18] that's due to retire this year and two next year that are going to retire.
[43:22] So we're going to continue that recruitment and try to retain dispatch.
[43:26] Well, we had one in background that we're looking to petition
[43:29] to potentially give a conditional or a final offer.
[43:32] We have one in training right now that's in the military.
[43:34] So that's kind of slowing things down.
[43:36] But overall is doing pretty well.
[43:38] And then we have one that's we have one that's leaving.
[43:41] He's leaving, getting out of law enforcement,
[43:43] dispatching all the other switching career.
[43:44] So we're going to be down two operational, maybe potentially three
[43:49] with the other one in training.
[43:50] So we're still, we're doing our right,
[43:52] but we're still talking a little bit behind. It's just an admin flow.
[43:56] As we as my my partner
[43:58] here, in the first responder land, we, we continue to try to get people to apply.
[44:02] It's, it's a difficult situation, but, we've had a couple interviews
[44:05] last week, so we're looking pretty good.
[44:09] Overall over time is tracking where we thank for patrol and dispatch.
[44:12] We're a little bit under, but I suspect that now,
[44:15] with this new opening in dispatch, we're going to see that go up a little bit.
[44:18] Travel expenses.
[44:20] I put the same stats last quarter because, again, we had budgeted for four of
[44:24] us to go to Omaha for our, our hearing, which is coming up, two weeks.
[44:29] Based on the fact that we're in default, we've change that to just
[44:32] the accreditation manager.
[44:33] Myself are going to go,
[44:35] so that's probably going to track over slightly, the legal services
[44:39] and that's tracking over
[44:41] that's due to personnel issues that you guys are aware of nonpublic.
[44:44] And our bullet resistant vest, line,
[44:47] as I mentioned in our budget presentation, we needed to buy at least 12.
[44:51] We got caught on that due to default, and we still have to provide 12 best
[44:55] to our, not to mention anybody else that'll be hiring this new.
[44:58] We still have to buy those vests and outfit them
[45:00] because they're made specifically for those officers.
[45:02] So you'll see that track over and then in communications,
[45:06] our consulting services through, sensitive,
[45:08] personnel issue that you're all aware of.
[45:10] That's really where we're at.
[45:11] According to how much for the vest again?
[45:13] There are roughly about 1500 bucks times 12.
[45:19] Yes, I think we're at 80 yet at to point.
[45:22] And somewhere right here it is. We were
[45:26] we were at 8500 this year and we're on it.
[45:29] 13,000.
[45:30] It's back.
[45:33] So you need another.
[45:35] We're potentially so that would have
[45:37] that were outfitted the five that needed that are currently working.
[45:41] The other ones that we needed to the new officers that we hired
[45:45] the beginning of the year and potentially the two more that are coming in here
[45:49] if we hire. So we're going to track pretty
[45:52] you already bought some or you need to buy them.
[45:54] So when I budgeted for it last year, coming this year
[45:57] we had to buy at least five for the five officers that were here.
[46:01] And then we anticipated five transitioning.
[46:04] So that was just about ten.
[46:08] So yeah, we we I think we had 12,000 budgeted for,
[46:10] but we only we only with default 8500.
[46:14] So currently we're at 13,000 expended.
[46:18] And that hits our mark.
[46:19] But I believe with that new person, if we have that person retire this year.
[46:24] Yeah, we have to buy another one.
[46:26] Okay, so you already bought the vest.
[46:27] You're over on that line right now. Yep.
[46:30] And just so the board is aware, and I believe Daniel
[46:32] could help me with this, but we do get an offsetting revenue,
[46:36] from the federal government they can provide us with.
[46:39] I think it's a 50% match on the vest.
[46:41] So at the end of the year, we'll send that in and they'll.
[46:45] So we'll figure out where we're at on that.
[46:46] They'll give us it doesn't come back to that.
[46:48] It's not back to the general fund, but it goes back to the general fund.
[46:50] So it'll be an offset of revenue to some degree. Okay.
[46:53] And that money sometimes dries up.
[46:57] So we're we've been pretty lucky lately to get it.
[46:59] So if it's there it's there. If it's not it's not okay.
[47:04] It's just enough.
[47:04] We need to transfer funds over to you know,
[47:06] I think right now we're doing all right.
[47:08] Okay.
[47:12] Yeah.
[47:14] We got any other questions from Chief?
[47:18] Okay.
[47:20] We're going to, the other chief
[47:24] here.
[47:27] So I sent you a detailed, synopsis, but we are tracking in line
[47:33] with the percentage of the year we are expecting some overages,
[47:38] but we also have some underspend, which we're anticipating
[47:44] as far as personnel goes.
[47:45] We as of today, we have, one vacancy.
[47:48] We expend we went through our eligibility list.
[47:51] So we have or boards coming up for applications,
[47:56] on the 17th, we are confident that we will be able to fill that spot.
[48:00] We also anticipate another,
[48:06] person leaving here before the end of the year.
[48:08] So we're hopefully we'll have at least two eligible that, we're looking at.
[48:12] So we think we're gonna be able to fill those spots rather quickly.
[48:15] However, that still leaves us
[48:17] with a lot of our personnel information or within the first two years.
[48:20] So we have a very inexperienced department, spread out
[48:24] through the two stations.
[48:26] So we're going to continue to work with that.
[48:28] So, our call wages are a little bit over.
[48:32] Luckily, I call numbers have been, coming in for some shifts,
[48:36] getting some training.
[48:37] So it's great to see, unfortunately, we're down to, seven actually, now six.
[48:42] As of I received the resignation today.
[48:45] Again.
[48:48] So other stuff is overtime pay.
[48:51] We anticipate some savings in this line,
[48:53] professional dues because of the costs that also.
[48:57] We've talked about this before, but our regional hazmat team,
[49:01] those costs have not increased, I want to say, in 15 to 20 years.
[49:06] So those costs are now going up and other departments are leaving
[49:10] the region, which then decreases the amount of people paying into it.
[49:14] And the costs are still what they are.
[49:16] So that means the costs for each town sitting in it, is going up.
[49:20] So that's going to be a significant overage this year.
[49:23] We're continuing to do that.
[49:25] To within that line, there's other expenses
[49:28] for Hillsborough County fire wardens and board area mutual aid.
[49:31] So we've dropped out of both of those agencies.
[49:34] To try to save some money. There,
[49:37] form expenses.
[49:38] Luckily, we had a wet spring. That was great.
[49:41] So we didn't have a lot of, wildland fires.
[49:43] For us to use foam.
[49:45] So we have not expended any money out of that line to date.
[49:48] But we'll see what the fall goes.
[49:50] Because the summers are starting to get a little dry now.
[49:53] Facility repairs.
[49:56] We have multiple projects going on there.
[49:58] It's really just.
[50:00] Which is the worst problem right now for us to deal with.
[50:04] So we have,
[50:06] station one, roof leak, drain leak.
[50:09] We have a broken spigot at station two, which we actually have to get out to,
[50:13] wall infrastructure to replace,
[50:16] the windows over 62 or 20 years old.
[50:20] And they are holding them up, when they're trying to just use ventilation.
[50:25] They're trying to.
[50:25] The windows don't stay up.
[50:27] A lot of them don't stay up anymore.
[50:29] So they're using books or bricks or something like that to hold them up.
[50:33] Unfortunately, that does fall.
[50:36] And that caused some of the windows, one of the windows to actually break
[50:40] the glass this year.
[50:41] So I had to replace that.
[50:42] So hopefully I'm going to be able to replace some of those,
[50:46] if we have funds available in our facility repairs.
[50:49] But it's
[50:51] as well as the
[50:51] secure, security system upgrade station three, like we had talked about.
[50:55] So there's I don't have enough money to cover all those repairs.
[51:00] It's literally going to be.
[51:02] Which which one is the the worst one to,
[51:05] get done.
[51:05] And, a lot of that same is with the hose,
[51:09] and other equipment is we're going to wait towards
[51:12] the end of the year and figure out which is the biggest priority,
[51:18] emergency management wise.
[51:20] So I'm very happy to report that CERT is back.
[51:23] They are gaining steam.
[51:26] We they are bringing people back that haven't been in a few years.
[51:31] Trying to get some new blood in there.
[51:32] They have helped out, recover the Goffstown gallop.
[51:36] They're participating in the going, like, swim
[51:40] and they fully anticipate to be prepared to help out
[51:43] with other community, projects such as their guard and stuff like that.
[51:48] So we've been spending some money to move their equipment from station
[51:52] three down to station one, so we had better equipment availability for them.
[51:56] Quicker response time for them to help out the first responders in rehabs.
[52:01] And then also we are,
[52:05] trying to bring everyone together
[52:08] so that we don't have to maintain equipment separately.
[52:11] So, for example, they supply first aid tents and races and stuff like that.
[52:16] Previously, they bought all of their first aid equipment themselves
[52:19] and only use it 2 or 3 times a year.
[52:21] Now, with them being here in our station, they have access
[52:24] to our supplies that we use on a regular basis.
[52:28] So now you don't have two agencies buying stuff and using it and possibly expiring.
[52:33] Now we actually have a revolving, so they're able to use that as well.
[52:38] We're also restructuring them completely,
[52:40] with all new policies and procedures, which is going really well.
[52:44] They've made some recently.
[52:46] Last week they made some administrative changes to personnel to get some new blood
[52:50] in the ranks and the new leadership, they are full steam ahead.
[52:54] I'm really proud to say that our volunteers are doing well.
[52:58] And if,
[53:00] anyone else out in the community is looking for some volunteer
[53:03] opportunities, CERT is definitely looking, as well
[53:06] as, we're still taking applications for call firefighters, too,
[53:10] which I think covers or a question can you explain again what service.
[53:14] So cert our volunteers cert.
[53:16] It's kind of this interesting.
[53:21] Niche,
[53:21] if you will, within the state laws and stuff like that.
[53:25] They're under, emergency management.
[53:28] So locally, the emergency manager director myself, they fall under me.
[53:33] They previously were under the police department.
[53:35] And what they do is they org to assist in a non-emergency role.
[53:42] The town so far cert currently
[53:45] assist with pedestrian crossing, traffic control,
[53:50] first aid tents, stuff like that.
[53:53] We're starting to build them into some school plans for,
[53:58] reunification plans
[54:00] and also use for, disasters
[54:03] such as wind events, rain events, whether it's closing down
[54:07] roads, putting up barricades, stuff like that, that kind of
[54:11] we refer to it as a cold zone, keeping them out of the real big hazards.
[54:16] But quite honestly, it's it's really neat to see the different experiences
[54:20] are mainly all retired people and utilizing their different
[54:26] professional experiences to help write, grant narratives to help.
[54:31] Right.
[54:31] SOG policies and procedures or provide some experience in certain areas.
[54:37] Is really neat to have that expertise.
[54:40] So not only operationally but also administratively,
[54:44] they're really helping us out a lot.
[54:47] Okay.
[54:48] Thanks.
[54:51] Chief of facility repairs. Yes.
[54:54] You have a prioritized list already.
[54:56] So I have a list.
[55:00] I have how much each one is going to cost.
[55:04] And I have an idea of priorities.
[55:08] The security system, in my opinion, is number one.
[55:12] Number two is the windows.
[55:15] But I don't have enough money to cover that.
[55:17] And again, it all depends on what else breaks from the rest of the year.
[55:21] But we have a leaking roof station.
[55:23] It's a small leak. Yep.
[55:24] So are we worried that
[55:26] that's going to cause more damage as more water gets into that.
[55:28] So so very valid question.
[55:31] It appears that's been going on for a couple of years.
[55:33] It is a industrial style roof and leaks into a bathroom.
[55:39] So luckily that's not a significant problem.
[55:42] It's not causing any,
[55:45] areas of
[55:45] concern for mildew or mold at this time.
[55:49] My concern will be water spreads.
[55:50] Yep. Everywhere. Yes it does.
[55:52] And right now it's contained.
[55:54] And if it spreads, it's going to jump up on the property. Go.
[55:58] So, I mean, I just want to make sure I'm
[56:00] not being like,
[56:03] Pennywise, pound foolish, completely taking care of certain things.
[56:07] Yeah.
[56:08] So can we get some idea on some of those and a list around them?
[56:13] So that way we're sure what we should be going after.
[56:15] So we're working on that.
[56:17] I mean, I also don't
[56:17] want people getting hurt because like, windows are slamming down or whatever too,
[56:21] because they're trying to stay cool. So I mean, it's sick.
[56:24] Along with that hurt
[56:25] track, we've talked about on glass, obviously one of the big ones is
[56:29] the traffic light out here for us. Respondent.
[56:31] Section one has been working two years
[56:33] and it's going to be 50 or $60,000 for place.
[56:36] And I just property wise, it just hasn't made it to our requirement yet.
[56:41] Because the whole system needs to get replaced.
[56:44] So there's, there's multiple different things.
[56:47] It's just
[56:48] I think if we had a list, then we could start to think about,
[56:51] especially if there were funds left over, you know, from the bottom line or what.
[56:56] Otherwise we want to make sure that we write and stack all of those.
[56:59] I think it's for,
[56:59] like all the departments, like,
[57:01] there's certain things that we think about safety or health of the employees
[57:04] or like making sure the buildings are actually functioning.
[57:06] We should get that list to you.
[57:09] But like when you're talking about
[57:11] the track, like Main Street Church, I mean.
[57:24] So the other questions so.
[57:28] Okay.
[57:29] All right.
[57:31] So, this is the time of year where we start to, dip into our encumbrances.
[57:36] I know in Q1, our budget artificially looks like it's expanding
[57:41] because we've recovered so much money
[57:42] for the year, primarily for, things like the solid waste tipping fees.
[57:46] You know, the the, asphalt pavement contracts, another big one.
[57:51] Some of the other ones that,
[57:53] tend to have a higher amount, some of our contracted services.
[57:55] So we're starting to dip into those now and actually spend the funds,
[57:59] from the encumbrances, in particular street
[58:02] sweeping contractors, complete with the spring sweeping.
[58:05] We've started the line
[58:06] striping, a little slow out of the gate with this contractor.
[58:09] As you might remember to their first year with us. So
[58:12] I have some growing pains there, but,
[58:13] hopefully they can get on track.
[58:17] Let's see, catch basin cleaning and pipe cleaning.
[58:19] Contractor started, a couple weeks back.
[58:22] The, as Derek mentioned,
[58:25] we've, had a little bit of,
[58:29] additional, tonnage
[58:31] for, the solid waste revenues.
[58:34] Overall, some of our numbers are down, but, the,
[58:38] revenue reimbursement,
[58:41] should be submitted here by the end of the month.
[58:42] So we'll get that, checked soon.
[58:45] The other items of note, real plan wise,
[58:49] master Road phase three, overlay was complete.
[58:53] We do have some punch list items over there.
[58:54] A master road.
[58:55] And then, ivy wall and healed repaved last week.
[59:01] The next step for that project would be raising the drainage structures, to grade.
[59:06] And when that contractor, for continental is here raising those structures,
[59:10] they'll raise the structures next door on Laurel Ave,
[59:12] which was a little way which is paved last year.
[59:15] And then that can be top to the topcoat to finish that project.
[59:18] So that hopefully is, coming to a close there on Laurel.
[59:23] The, and then of course, the
[59:25] Henry Bridge project, has kicked off in full swing with school shutdown.
[59:29] So that's taken a good chunk of our department focus right now.
[59:32] The that project, going well so far.
[59:36] We, had some, some challenges getting out of the gate
[59:40] with what method of demo was best for that old decking?
[59:43] A lot of it being sight unseen because the pavement had to be removed first.
[59:47] We weren't sure exactly how how well, the tack welds that
[59:50] hold down that corrugated steel deck, we're going to maintain.
[59:54] And how much effort was going to be removed are required to remove that.
[59:58] Turns out, few of them are hanging in there pretty well
[1:00:00] and quite a bit of effort.
[1:00:01] So, we've got a good method now.
[1:00:04] I think, after about another week, I should be able to project out.
[1:00:07] Okay, here's how much productivity we are going to get per day.
[1:00:11] With our with our demo crew and then with the, refinishing,
[1:00:15] grinding, painting and replacement welding falling behind.
[1:00:19] So we're working across the deck, replacing new panels, keeping only up,
[1:00:24] you know, 6 to 8ft gap in between what's being removed and what's being replaced?
[1:00:29] So far, I've been able to keep up pretty well, but, I think,
[1:00:33] the tricky sections are the ones that have had the most,
[1:00:37] penetration throughout the years, water damage underneath.
[1:00:40] And those require a little bit more welding and painting or.
[1:00:43] I'm sorry, grinding and painting.
[1:00:45] And we do have a couple sections that, from below, we know are going to be rough.
[1:00:49] It's just
[1:00:49] I'm not sure until the deck's off how bad the tops of those beams are going to be.
[1:00:53] So far, we haven't had anything that, requires any,
[1:00:56] you know, significant, structural, buildup, required.
[1:01:01] There are two beams near the ends that the tops are getting a little thin, so,
[1:01:05] well, there's been, getting those, filled,
[1:01:09] as he proceeds with the deck tacking.
[1:01:13] But no, no significant, structural issues at all, so that's good.
[1:01:17] The,
[1:01:21] trick now is to make sure that we stay on track
[1:01:23] and try to get this reopened for school. Of course.
[1:01:25] As it talked to Joshua the other day,
[1:01:29] right now, I don't have a, anticipate did, push it for overtime.
[1:01:32] But if we get through the end of this week now, where we've got the process
[1:01:36] for demolition and replacement known, if we hit any major stumbling blocks,
[1:01:41] we might have to start looking at overtime, either to get a crew in on a,
[1:01:45] one day where they normally wouldn't or a couple long days.
[1:01:48] So, as far as quantity, it's hard to say yet
[1:01:51] because we're not in that phase where I think we need it.
[1:01:53] But, if we do, it's likely to be in the, you know, the days of overtime
[1:01:57] rather than the the weeks and months.
[1:01:58] You know, it's not going to
[1:02:00] spiral out of control unless there's a catastrophic issue. But,
[1:02:04] all indications are it's
[1:02:05] going as, as we expected as far as the condition,
[1:02:08] the let's see, budget wise, are there other things?
[1:02:13] Same as Q1, where we came out of quarter one expecting so much of the winter,
[1:02:18] related lines, those haven't obviously gotten any better, with 42.
[1:02:22] So, for overtime, diesel use and saw use in particular.
[1:02:28] That's going to be, right up until the 11th hour of the year
[1:02:32] before we really know how the winter of 2627 is going to look like.
[1:02:37] Going to start some years, you have a December where it's
[1:02:40] golf until, you know, January 1st and others.
[1:02:44] Winter starts, you know, October 31st, as we know, so, we've got some,
[1:02:51] funds set aside within the road
[1:02:53] plan for future transfer, presuming we have a typical year.
[1:02:57] It's about 20% of our winter month.
[1:02:58] Maintenance budget is usually spent in December.
[1:03:01] But but as I said, it fluctuates so much one year to an that's.
[1:03:04] It's hard to say.
[1:03:06] But we'll continue to monitor that.
[1:03:08] The other big thing that we will know soon, though, is the states saw pricing.
[1:03:12] So they, they their contract expires in August.
[1:03:17] Not too many people are buying salt in middle of the summer, but,
[1:03:19] the new contract pricing is usually made live sometime in July.
[1:03:23] As of Friday, it hadn't been put live yet, but, I expect that'll happen
[1:03:27] in the next week or two if there are no major jumps there, we'll be in good shape.
[1:03:31] A couple of years ago, I think it jumped $10,
[1:03:34] which was at the time 15% or so increase.
[1:03:37] So we'll keep our eyes peeled for that, and I'll let you know.
[1:03:40] We do have a full share, and
[1:03:41] we do have a little bit of money left on the encumbrance.
[1:03:43] So, you know, in a good, easy December that would get us through,
[1:03:49] let's see, other big stuff of note.
[1:03:55] I did make a note on bridge repair operating supplies.
[1:03:57] We're going to, finance director Zach and I had talked about, my initial plan
[1:04:01] had been to use, just our road plan funding to fund the bridge project.
[1:04:06] And then worry about the transfers later.
[1:04:07] He'd actually thinks it's going to be easier on his end to overspend
[1:04:11] the bridge maintenance line and the operating supplies line.
[1:04:15] And then at the end of the year, do a transfer into those two.
[1:04:18] It will require coding at a once when I put the invoices on.
[1:04:21] So those are going to start to look a little funky over the next few weeks.
[1:04:24] And then once we get them transfers
[1:04:26] in at the end of the summer much more, we think we're gonna go on that.
[1:04:28] Because you're, we have 70%.
[1:04:30] Yeah. So bridge repair the number.
[1:04:33] I think I had in, carve out was about 60,000 total.
[1:04:37] And that is, that covers,
[1:04:42] the anticipated
[1:04:43] welding, some of the, rental machinery, fall protection supplies
[1:04:47] that have been purchased, you know, other the security fencing, that kind of stuff.
[1:04:51] And then the other big one that we have come in at up is the,
[1:04:55] waterproofing membrane.
[1:04:56] So once the decking is complete, skim coat of asphalt goes down
[1:05:01] to fill in all the corrugations on the deck and get a nice smooth surface.
[1:05:04] And then there's a contractor that comes in to do a waterproofing
[1:05:07] barrier membrane,
[1:05:09] which will hopefully do a better job protecting the steel decking.
[1:05:12] And then that gets paved on top of, so what line will we see?
[1:05:15] So transfer.
[1:05:17] So, so it's going to be out of, reclamation.
[1:05:20] Primarily I think is going to be the, the so it's on page
[1:05:25] 25 is the packet page 25 or page 19 of the budget report.
[1:05:30] Since CIP.
[1:05:34] Reclaim line is and is launching there.
[1:05:39] It's page 19 of the report.
[1:05:42] Yeah.
[1:05:42] Page 2525 of the packet.
[1:05:45] Yeah.
[1:05:47] And then we also have, as I mentioned in the memo,
[1:05:53] the HB2 a few years back,
[1:05:55] the state had, new legislation as part of the budget bill.
[1:05:59] I guess it was right, an attack on, that funded, additional
[1:06:02] that that sent additional, bridge aid funds to towns.
[1:06:06] There was also going to get it wrong.
[1:06:07] So I wanted to try but another bill that, tacked on road funding.
[1:06:11] So, we had an influx of road funding, and the specific bridge
[1:06:15] funding that can only be used for bridge projects, projects.
[1:06:18] We we use that, a couple of years ago to purchase all the steel
[1:06:21] decking at the time, 75,000 ish, I think, for materials.
[1:06:26] So we do have a good, healthy amount left in that line,
[1:06:30] which is a non lapsing fund to the CHB to fund.
[1:06:32] I would like to not dip into that if we can, because we have a big deck
[1:06:36] that's going to have to get that bridge.
[1:06:38] It's going to have to be replaced on the red list on
[1:06:41] newly on
[1:06:42] the red list on Terrell Hill Road, just past fire station.
[1:06:45] So we'd like to use what's remaining there, and,
[1:06:49] hopefully not hit to hit the budget for that project.
[1:06:52] If we can.
[1:06:53] So if we take it out of the reclaim,
[1:06:54] which are almost 80% there, no more than we're expecting a reclaim or,
[1:06:59] so we've got some encumbered funds in reclaim,
[1:07:02] which brings it back 80%.
[1:07:06] Is a good chunk of that 80%, of, spent.
[1:07:09] And then the, other thing that we have
[1:07:13] this year is the additional, road funding, special article line.
[1:07:17] I, I don't know if that's on page 20 or,
[1:07:21] well, I'm just trying to make sure.
[1:07:22] Yes, we move money that we understand how much more is going
[1:07:25] to be hitting the reclaim as well. So that way. Correct.
[1:07:28] We take the right amount out of there.
[1:07:29] So how much more do you think is going to be hitting that?
[1:07:31] It's not the bridgework.
[1:07:33] So so I had held out,
[1:07:35] so that 186 that we have available.
[1:07:40] Yeah.
[1:07:40] Is, includes things
[1:07:43] like this bridge project, which I target around 60,000,
[1:07:47] which we roughly need another $43,000 base and probably.
[1:07:53] Okay.
[1:07:54] And then we've got,
[1:07:55] those other items, those winter items that I'm anticipating we're going to need.
[1:07:59] So how much are those?
[1:08:01] That's what I don't know.
[1:08:02] And I don't have a guesstimate on it or.
[1:08:04] I mean, if
[1:08:08] if it's if it's an average
[1:08:09] year, it's the 20% right that we would need from our overtime salt.
[1:08:14] And then diesel.
[1:08:15] I'm sorry. You're saying you need some
[1:08:19] sources, right?
[1:08:20] So I won't know what that real number.
[1:08:22] I kind of have to hold it back through the construction season,
[1:08:25] and it's just going to end up being a surplus if we don't have a heavy
[1:08:29] in November, December.
[1:08:30] If we do, then we'll have it.
[1:08:32] And if we don't, then you
[1:08:33] folks will be able to put that back to the general fund or
[1:08:38] to some other end of the year type stuff with. But,
[1:08:43] Yeah, it's just kind of the, the way it goes with those winter items.
[1:08:46] I don't have any crystal ball with it
[1:08:51] because I read the road.
[1:08:52] Well, I was going to ask is given the fire we had the other day,
[1:08:56] how can we actually expedite moving the bridge along,
[1:09:01] at this point?
[1:09:03] I think we're probably.
[1:09:07] Well, they're limited.
[1:09:08] If we wanted to look at hiring another welding
[1:09:13] firm, or additional, you know, welders, the well that we have is good.
[1:09:18] He's done a lot of bridge work, very certified.
[1:09:21] He's a one man, you know, his business, one man.
[1:09:24] So we're basically held up by the welding at this point in time, I think.
[1:09:27] I think so, there's, we've got our, our crew is, is now operating out
[1:09:33] with a plasma torch, side by side with the welder for the demo.
[1:09:38] We've only done this for a couple of days now since that came in.
[1:09:40] So I'll know better at the end of next week, if that's what.
[1:09:43] If you'd like to do some kind
[1:09:44] of provisional thing and have me start looking at having somebody else come in,
[1:09:48] I just.
[1:09:50] Yeah.
[1:09:51] With that two companies, you, you start to have a little bit of
[1:09:56] potentially step one on one side of the bridge potentially.
[1:09:59] Right. Yeah.
[1:09:59] I have one demo on the other, works on the, the the reinstallation.
[1:10:03] We've got some of the other
[1:10:07] limiting factors are the concrete work.
[1:10:11] Not not the first abutment in, but the, the last.
[1:10:14] We can't demo the,
[1:10:16] south side abutment until the bridge
[1:10:19] deck demo continues to that point.
[1:10:22] So, they're going to be under the gun when the court,
[1:10:25] when that time comes to get the concrete in.
[1:10:27] And we have, accelerated that.
[1:10:30] We've got a,
[1:10:32] high early strength concrete spec so we can get in,
[1:10:34] hopefully get that traversable pretty quickly.
[1:10:38] And then the other lead time is going to be weather with
[1:10:41] the paving contractor has to come at least twice.
[1:10:44] Once for that Simcoe.
[1:10:45] And then the membrane contractor is going to fall right behind.
[1:10:48] And then the next window for top paving.
[1:10:51] So there's a little bit of do we have all the supplies I guess is the question.
[1:10:55] We are good with supplies.
[1:10:57] So so really it's down to its, personnel power in order to get it done right?
[1:11:01] Right.
[1:11:02] And right now you're limited based on not having enough people
[1:11:05] to do the demo or doing to pull pull the metal up.
[1:11:09] It's tough because I don't I can't answer that, really.
[1:11:12] I don't have enough. We've only done this once.
[1:11:14] I don't have enough history to say, hey, this last couple days
[1:11:18] since we've had two torches going at once for the demo is is enough.
[1:11:23] It looks like that's exactly the right amount of, labor on the demolition.
[1:11:28] And to keep the construction and following closely behind.
[1:11:34] So, you know, give me a give me another week.
[1:11:36] I can give you a better answer on that.
[1:11:38] But, at this point, I don't think we're
[1:11:42] there's not a whole lot to gain.
[1:11:43] I think if we were to crash it with, you know, another, another 2 or 3 welders,
[1:11:47] I think they'd be more in each other's way than than,
[1:11:53] you know, helping at this point.
[1:11:57] So, Derek, do we need to transfer some over in order to make it easier
[1:12:00] for cowling, or is that what I'm hearing or not a good thought at this point. The.
[1:12:05] We have a new bridge line that we've never had before, and they can start,
[1:12:10] charging, invoices to it.
[1:12:12] The one thing, and I know Danielle and Adam are well aware of this.
[1:12:15] We just can't transfer the special article into that.
[1:12:19] So we'll have to be out of the CIP requirement.
[1:12:21] But, so it has to be out of that for sure. Yeah.
[1:12:24] You can't you can never transfer out of a special art as well.
[1:12:27] Yeah. Yeah. So but
[1:12:29] I'm sure this just makes it easier for us
[1:12:33] to kind of make that distinction between regular road plan and bridge repair.
[1:12:37] So if there is any reclaim, we should be trying to pull
[1:12:40] out of that special article, you know, the roadwork.
[1:12:44] Oh, we mean, if there's roadwork.
[1:12:45] Yeah. Spend that down first.
[1:12:47] Yeah, I think we should be canceling on that first. Right.
[1:12:49] So that way we can. He's already got that full amount and covered.
[1:12:52] It looks like he's got it set up in a. So yeah. Yeah.
[1:12:55] So we shouldn't expect this line of 187 to really go down any more.
[1:13:00] Yeah.
[1:13:00] Well make sure it does.
[1:13:03] Yeah we will have money.
[1:13:05] We have the money we need right now.
[1:13:07] So I just can't take on any like late season, like, hey,
[1:13:10] we got to add a road or, you know, something like that, you know,
[1:13:14] if it's all pricing
[1:13:15] comes in, it's 20 bucks a ton higher.
[1:13:18] I may shift gears and take some bridge funds from that.
[1:13:21] HQ2 account, but I don't think that's got much
[1:13:24] as in that HP to account.
[1:13:29] Gets around a hundred thousand.
[1:13:30] I know, I think it's about 130,000
[1:13:34] that, I'm not part of that.
[1:13:38] Sorry.
[1:13:39] Two factor. We're trying to.
[1:13:41] Okay,
[1:13:43] both. Geez.
[1:13:43] We've had some emergency services lately.
[1:13:46] I mean,
[1:13:46] is that bridge being out
[1:13:48] causing any problems besides the fire that we had the other day?
[1:13:50] I just I want to make sure if we should be pushing in that a little bit harder
[1:13:55] if we have more experience here than I do.
[1:13:56] But, I mean, we infrastructure if people
[1:14:01] are hurt by changes in the infrastructure like Henry Bridge,
[1:14:05] we use the same infrastructure. Yeah.
[1:14:07] And answer your question.
[1:14:10] So if you're seeing a problem, we're seeing a problem.
[1:14:13] Yeah.
[1:14:14] We we have to redo our entire patrol division
[1:14:20] where we have to put officers on the other side of town
[1:14:25] and spur our town in a different way than where normal
[1:14:28] is to make sure that we have the adequate coverage over there,
[1:14:32] because we can't just cross over Henry Bridge and we need extra officers.
[1:14:38] Yeah.
[1:14:38] It's and we've had
[1:14:39] we've had a couple of spots where you had to have some overtime
[1:14:42] because people
[1:14:42] had to stay on that side of town where we do
[1:14:44] shift change to get them over.
[1:14:45] Due to a late call, which could happen,
[1:14:47] but it's just taking us longer to get back.
[1:14:49] Yeah, yeah.
[1:14:51] I will say that in the past, they've been very good
[1:14:53] when they've had to replace that, that they open it at night or leave
[1:14:56] it just for emergency responders to get across.
[1:14:58] But this is the one that you can't really broke.
[1:15:01] It broke. It worked out really well.
[1:15:03] Yeah. Unless we're Dukes of Hazzard.
[1:15:05] But yeah, it is a bad thing as I shorten the lifespan of our cars,
[1:15:10] we pre-positioned it knowing that this was coming.
[1:15:12] But, you know,
[1:15:13] I can tell you right now that that's because we have adequate staffing.
[1:15:17] The police department.
[1:15:18] If we didn't have adequate staffing, we would be in a different situation.
[1:15:22] Yeah.
[1:15:23] So I think out of it,
[1:15:25] at least for me, I would like to make a motion
[1:15:28] to have you investigate how we move it faster. How?
[1:15:37] What type of options do you want me to look at?
[1:15:39] I mean, I adding a second welder open.
[1:15:43] They can certainly.
[1:15:44] You know, I can pull the switch tomorrow and say anybody that wants overtime,
[1:15:48] we've got it.
[1:15:49] It's just a matter of how many takers we have on that end,
[1:15:52] because demo is currently our shortest straw in it.
[1:15:55] Correct.
[1:15:56] It looks that way.
[1:15:57] But so if we can move the demo faster, we can move the reconstruction faster,
[1:16:01] potentially.
[1:16:02] But again, I don't have enough data to say that right now.
[1:16:05] He's not far enough into the project to see where I work
[1:16:09] and our next not do it on a regular basis, but how much more do you think you
[1:16:13] have in time
[1:16:15] to do the demo?
[1:16:16] I, I suspect we've got another week and a half of demo,
[1:16:21] but that same time it's overlapping with, you know, the cleanup,
[1:16:24] the construction, it's falling behind.
[1:16:26] So that gets us to our like our next meeting.
[1:16:28] So I mean, I'm waiting that long doesn't necessarily accelerate us for that.
[1:16:32] If you only have a week and a half. Right.
[1:16:34] Instead we're waiting to see if we're right.
[1:16:35] I mean, I need to know from you folks as if you're okay with me.
[1:16:39] If we found a lever to pull up, pull it.
[1:16:43] You know,
[1:16:44] I just I don't want to do that.
[1:16:46] And then here,
[1:16:48] you know, the tough parts, the purchasing and all that jazz, you know?
[1:16:50] Right. Because I'm not going to be able to go out to bid.
[1:16:53] I didn't hear anything about purchasing when I heard was is hiring right.
[1:16:57] Right.
[1:16:57] But if I'm going to hire a welder that calls in person policy.
[1:17:00] So I would normally have to
[1:17:03] the that policy to
[1:17:04] keep me out here is anything above 25,
[1:17:09] 25 is still below is still there, but anything between 10,000 and 25,000.
[1:17:14] So if it's below 10,000 you don't necessarily need it.
[1:17:17] So I'll make a motion for you to investigate anything that falls
[1:17:20] below the 10,000 line in order to accelerate the bridge,
[1:17:24] I can
[1:17:26] motion by Josh second by Mark.
[1:17:29] Any other comments? Favor.
[1:17:32] All right. Coast. Nice having.
[1:17:34] And those those are grant funds.
[1:17:38] SB 401.
[1:17:41] Oh, sorry for the bridge.
[1:17:42] You got $280,000 in that.
[1:17:45] And that's funds are that's 401 plus two combined.
[1:17:49] Or is that just that's just for one.
[1:17:53] There's,
[1:17:55] that's the bridge separate.
[1:17:56] And then
[1:17:58] the bridge 270
[1:18:00] bridge have there's another $100,000 in there.
[1:18:03] It's 380,000.
[1:18:05] So between those two for the bridges.
[1:18:09] Yeah.
[1:18:09] And I think at a more I'm thinking was like get ahead of the week and a half like
[1:18:14] yeah I mean it's
[1:18:16] easy to say it's I don't it's the mythical person that got it.
[1:18:19] Construction in your season trying to find somebody
[1:18:21] that's worth a dang and knows what they're doing on a bridge
[1:18:25] isn't already working somewhere on a bridge. You're not.
[1:18:27] That's that's kind of a part of it, too.
[1:18:30] But yeah, the the best and some of it maybe, you know, maybe overtime
[1:18:35] if we can put in some on our side to get some of the cleanup done,
[1:18:40] instead of having the welder fall back behind and weld
[1:18:42] the pieces as soon as they're cleaned, we can open up more of the bridge.
[1:18:45] We have the fall protection stuff.
[1:18:46] It's just kind of a yeah, a little bit of a balancing act.
[1:18:49] You don't want to open up too much.
[1:18:50] And I mean, I know it's impacting local traffic, but I think
[1:18:53] when I saw the emergency services thing kind of happened the other day, like
[1:18:58] I don't want us to get into a bad, bad situation,
[1:19:00] especially if we're starting to get drier here in the summer
[1:19:03] because it has been pretty normal.
[1:19:04] I don't want to like have any sort of fires break out anywhere else.
[1:19:07] Definitely remember pretty quickly how how a two bridges across a river
[1:19:12] can cripple you.
[1:19:13] I thought of that.
[1:19:14] And just think how we feel when we're on one side of the bridge.
[1:19:16] And then that same truck driver has to go all the way to the village
[1:19:18] to get to just the other side of the bridge,
[1:19:22] for sure.
[1:19:22] Okay. Can I just change the subject?
[1:19:24] Sure.
[1:19:24] Your first paragraph here kind of struck me.
[1:19:27] Last second on the last line of roads has been deliberately under programed.
[1:19:32] I was just wondering how you kind of under programed the road plan.
[1:19:36] That's just some of those hold backs.
[1:19:38] So, you know, I didn't spend right to the very hilt knowing that we had
[1:19:42] some of these items coming out of Q1 that were going to be,
[1:19:45] so on the winter end, does that mean you're not working on certain roads?
[1:19:49] Everything on the road that, sorry, everything that was approved
[1:19:52] by the Select Board for the road plan?
[1:19:54] Yes. Done.
[1:19:56] Road plan funding, though we
[1:19:58] we only programed for for your approval.
[1:20:01] You know, whatever it would be 85%
[1:20:04] or something of the available funds holding back some of those other funds.
[1:20:07] Thank you. Yeah. One more question.
[1:20:12] And it's kind of an off topic question.
[1:20:13] Love it. Good.
[1:20:15] So on the road that we've ever been doing on Mass Road.
[1:20:19] Yes, I know that the granite cost quite a bit.
[1:20:23] And you can tell me that we're required by law to have it.
[1:20:25] But I'm just curious over the Valvoline is. Yep.
[1:20:28] And you're coming out of there.
[1:20:31] There's those two, granite bump outs on both sides. Yep.
[1:20:35] Are we required to put those in? No.
[1:20:39] So why did we put them in?
[1:20:40] So those are those are, let me just make sure we're talking the same thing.
[1:20:44] The traversable cobbles like we have here on Main Street.
[1:20:47] Yep, yep.
[1:20:48] Okay, so, those are, mountable or traversable cobbles that, the idea
[1:20:53] there is, they're used for traffic calming and or turning movement calming
[1:20:58] and in particular, with pedestrian safety areas.
[1:21:02] So what those do is deter most people
[1:21:05] from taking a very hard right or left turn into a intersection.
[1:21:10] But you don't actually give up the physical geometry
[1:21:14] of the vertical curve on both sides.
[1:21:17] So you are you're getting like the 90% solution.
[1:21:19] You're selling a lot of people down
[1:21:21] and, reducing the speed at which people take those turns.
[1:21:24] So pedestrians have a stand more of a fighting chance.
[1:21:26] You also, retain that extra yardage,
[1:21:30] for, big truck movements and movements so they can be driven over.
[1:21:35] In a couple places on Main Street.
[1:21:38] We had them that we actually replaced vertical curbing with those on the
[1:21:42] leading edge of some of the parking bays because it was a true,
[1:21:45] you know, a tricky movement for folks.
[1:21:47] So, and then,
[1:21:49] Elm and High Intersection is another good example where we have some in
[1:21:53] general, it's a must keep most everybody within the the actual travel lane.
[1:21:56] But it's there.
[1:21:57] If bigger vehicles need to, they can go right over it.
[1:22:01] So, they are supposed to be a visual wowser.
[1:22:05] That's kind of the idea with them.
[1:22:08] I will say,
[1:22:10] initially when they first go
[1:22:12] in a location that's pretty common, we get a lot of, like,
[1:22:16] what's going on? I can't whip in them.
[1:22:18] And no offense to any Russian border
[1:22:20] residents, I can't whip into Rochambeau anymore.
[1:22:21] But that intersection in particular.
[1:22:24] Use that intersection.
[1:22:25] That's a good amount of traffic that go up.
[1:22:27] Know for other, that intersection in particular.
[1:22:30] One of the things that we looked at with highway safety prior
[1:22:32] to the development of the project was, it's a it's a very odd geometry.
[1:22:36] It's skewed
[1:22:37] both sides, both college and Rochambeau are skewed at an angle, the mast.
[1:22:41] And it was so wide on Rochambeau that, even though there's not room or
[1:22:46] or a desire to create two lanes coming out of Rochambeau,
[1:22:51] because of all the turning movements that have to happen there, you
[1:22:55] start adding multiple lanes
[1:22:56] coming out of Rochambeau,
[1:22:57] and now you're actually causing a safety problem
[1:22:59] because you've got too many different turns that can all happen at once,
[1:23:02] with center turn lanes and ins and outs in the two classes and the pizza market.
[1:23:06] So, it was so why people would, would create their own two way
[1:23:10] out of Rochambeau, where there really wasn't two lanes there.
[1:23:14] So on the idea as well as well
[1:23:16] to do what we've done that elsewhere in the village with good success.
[1:23:19] Give that the visual neck down.
[1:23:21] And this is to find one in, one out.
[1:23:23] But still, the ability for the larger stuff to get over
[1:23:25] now was kind of the idea there.
[1:23:27] Do we owe, or are we responsible if anybody like, runs over
[1:23:31] there's pops of high or something like that, unless there's been a,
[1:23:36] you know, it's kind of that the for liability.
[1:23:39] Municipal liability.
[1:23:40] Unless there's a gross negligence or, you know,
[1:23:44] it wasn't on the plan, and we put vertical curbs somewhere and somebody hits it.
[1:23:49] Yes. There's some liability if we don't follow the
[1:23:51] you know what the plans are, I guess.
[1:23:54] But, yeah, the municipal liability protection is very broad,
[1:23:57] especially for something that's,
[1:23:59] you know, improving standards, I guess, of the of the roadway.
[1:24:03] I'm just curious, you know, you're right.
[1:24:05] And it's kind of annoying when you come out and see it, but.
[1:24:08] Yeah, it does slow people right down.
[1:24:09] There's no more.
[1:24:10] You can't take that corner at super high speed.
[1:24:13] And the more we do that, we drive on. We did it on,
[1:24:16] over by companies too, because their causing that
[1:24:19] intersection was pretty nasty as well, but can't curb it out with that.
[1:24:22] Yeah it's not.
[1:24:23] There's been a lot of discussion about the granite
[1:24:25] and everything out there, so I figured I'd ask.
[1:24:27] So just just to maybe tie the bow on the granite, discussion.
[1:24:32] The curbing in Kennard ville.
[1:24:35] Almost completely, already was granite curving.
[1:24:39] So in areas that already have it, we in Orland, a big project like this,
[1:24:43] we will reset areas that have failed or settled.
[1:24:45] Or in the case of, Valvoline, there was an old,
[1:24:49] the old business had an entrance there, and the actual tip down was still there.
[1:24:52] So we had that replaced and brought up, you know, to the full height.
[1:24:55] In the village we had, some granite section on Main Street, but,
[1:25:01] it was a hot topic when Elm Street was done
[1:25:03] because the asphalt curbing, on Elm Street was replaced with more asphalt.
[1:25:09] So so there some of that that discussion when we're coming into some place,
[1:25:12] especially if there's not curbing okay, what are we going to do here?
[1:25:16] In the end,
[1:25:17] it gets pretty costly if we add curb and it's not already existing,
[1:25:20] that's for sure.
[1:25:21] So but mass road in general has grass roots.
[1:25:24] That's what we stick with. Understood.
[1:25:27] Thank you.
[1:25:27] Yeah.
[1:25:30] I'll set.
[1:25:32] I'm good.
[1:25:33] Parks and rec.
[1:25:35] Parks and rec.
[1:25:36] Doing great.
[1:25:39] Online.
[1:25:39] We'll be fine.
[1:25:42] I think some areas that we just have to manage,
[1:25:45] we're really now just kind of getting into the swing of things like week
[1:25:49] three with camp and all that stuff in the pool.
[1:25:51] So staffing wise, part time wise, now we start to see the numbers.
[1:25:55] Really? What what are they?
[1:25:57] I think we'll be fine in that area.
[1:26:02] Might actually be under a little bit,
[1:26:05] but I'm not going to go on record and say that, what we just did.
[1:26:10] Yeah, I did, yeah, that was a stupid statement again.
[1:26:15] Yeah.
[1:26:15] My wife says that ever, you know, I was in our self speak and I'm like, no,
[1:26:20] I really don't.
[1:26:21] Anyhow, otherwise the park
[1:26:25] operation line, I think that one, that's a 35,000 total.
[1:26:29] That line could go over a little bit.
[1:26:33] But as I said, bottom line wise, I think we'll be okay.
[1:26:36] We encumbered $5,800, which comes out of that line
[1:26:40] from 2025 for this Roy Park survey.
[1:26:44] We finally finished.
[1:26:45] So actually I got to bring that to you guys at some point.
[1:26:49] And then we had, as you may read, out of where we had,
[1:26:53] septic that we never knew we had a septic for 40 years.
[1:26:56] And, little things like that.
[1:27:00] We had a tree down across the rail trail.
[1:27:02] We had a that's unexpended money.
[1:27:04] We had,
[1:27:07] the well club, the
[1:27:09] Hi-Lo switch died, so there was a $800, cost there.
[1:27:14] Little things like that kind of came in in that line.
[1:27:17] So, when I think that line might be over a little bit.
[1:27:20] But we can control that somewhat.
[1:27:22] You know, maybe I don't buy it.
[1:27:25] One one treatment of fertilizer.
[1:27:29] You know what I mean?
[1:27:30] Something like that.
[1:27:32] But, I think our water line.
[1:27:36] I'm really nervous.
[1:27:37] I mean, every field we go right now is burning, so we just literally increased
[1:27:42] all the, the watering times and amounts and all that.
[1:27:47] So I can tell you right now, the sports complex,
[1:27:50] we rely on the pond water,
[1:27:54] a well system that's dry.
[1:27:57] So we're going all into grass, mere water.
[1:28:00] And that's an expensive one.
[1:28:02] They hit your heart.
[1:28:04] So we're going
[1:28:04] all in there, and that's going to start probably in two weeks.
[1:28:07] Use municipal water over there.
[1:28:09] We have a line down there.
[1:28:11] Oh, probably.
[1:28:12] Yeah, yeah.
[1:28:12] We we we dialed in, that we,
[1:28:16] had them hooked us up, gave us a great idea.
[1:28:18] We use the pond, we created our own drainage to build the fire.
[1:28:22] Right.
[1:28:23] And then we also have municipal water that runs down there, too.
[1:28:27] And this is going to be a year of that.
[1:28:29] We're going to be using municipal water because pond is is drying out right now.
[1:28:35] And,
[1:28:37] so I think, you know, I think that line, the water
[1:28:40] line might be close to expanded,
[1:28:45] but other than that, I don't foresee any of the other.
[1:28:48] Was it full of a water or not?
[1:28:50] No, no, no, I mean, I don't know if you have been over there.
[1:28:55] Have you ever seen the pond?
[1:28:56] You have it has that, concrete thing in the water.
[1:29:00] Yeah.
[1:29:02] Two years ago,
[1:29:03] after winter, the water was literally, literally up to that.
[1:29:07] Great. On the top.
[1:29:09] Yeah. Okay.
[1:29:10] This this year we're starting on the second hole down.
[1:29:13] So that's how much less water we have.
[1:29:16] It's amazing.
[1:29:18] So, yeah, because even over a crotchet like their,
[1:29:21] their retention pond is like way down, like it was weird.
[1:29:24] So dry.
[1:29:25] I think that I don't know if this is true or not, but it's my own theory.
[1:29:29] The snow we got this year was awesome for skiing.
[1:29:33] I loved it, it was great.
[1:29:34] It's good powder, you know what I mean? It was.
[1:29:36] It was good snow.
[1:29:38] But not a lot of moisture.
[1:29:39] I know, and I think I think what that could be
[1:29:43] a little difference is when it melts and drains off you.
[1:29:47] You have a watch?
[1:29:48] Yeah. I mean, we got a ton of snow.
[1:29:50] It was great.
[1:29:51] Beautiful for sure. Yeah.
[1:29:53] Thought we were all west. Okay.
[1:29:55] You didn't have to pay for it.
[1:29:57] But, so I think you know that
[1:30:00] that's a variable, but I'm not a scientist.
[1:30:05] Other than that, I think we'll be okay.
[1:30:07] Do we know how much water in general that we use?
[1:30:10] I can tell you.
[1:30:12] I mean, I don't have it off the top of my head.
[1:30:14] Can we do that to calculate how much we think we're gonna spend with grass?
[1:30:16] We're, good dry.
[1:30:22] We can put some old invoices. Yeah.
[1:30:24] There was one year. Actually.
[1:30:25] There was one year.
[1:30:26] The first year, second year, first year, second year.
[1:30:29] I believe that that went online.
[1:30:32] We were using quite a bit of water from grass. Man,
[1:30:36] because we probably should estimate that in the proforma,
[1:30:39] like what we think we're gonna spend on that.
[1:30:41] Okay. You are under budget.
[1:30:42] If you're actually going to be over budget on that, I'll try to figure it out.
[1:30:46] Okay.
[1:30:47] But I think like I said, bottom line, I mean, bottom line would be fine.
[1:30:50] But I have a feeling
[1:30:51] there's gonna be some individual lines that don't go over absolutely.
[1:30:55] Okay.
[1:30:59] Last but not least, short and sweet.
[1:31:02] I think, the library's operating very well within our budget at this time.
[1:31:07] As Chief Serino mentioned, though,
[1:31:09] it's only the end of the second quarter, so fingers crossed.
[1:31:13] For us under, we're we're really trying to leverage
[1:31:19] all of our staff, and, we're doing a little experiment.
[1:31:23] We have a part time temporary position.
[1:31:26] We've had it for many years, to help in the summertime
[1:31:30] because that's our peak programing. And,
[1:31:36] building capacity, I would say time
[1:31:38] instead of hiring somebody in for that position, we are using an existing
[1:31:43] part time staff member to take just a fraction of those hours.
[1:31:48] But we did
[1:31:50] we we really looked at all the programing we're doing, the staffing we're doing.
[1:31:57] To make our
[1:31:57] best guess, could we do this and think we can?
[1:32:00] So it remains to be seen at the end of the summer.
[1:32:03] But if it's a, successful experiment, that might be an opportunity
[1:32:08] in the future.
[1:32:10] As I'm building the budget for next year to reduce it a little bit,
[1:32:13] the one area of unknown is the facility maintenance line.
[1:32:20] We have had some unanticipated expenses.
[1:32:24] Where we're paying them as we go.
[1:32:28] But that that's an unknown, and I
[1:32:32] hundred year plus building.
[1:32:36] But other than that, I think we're looking pretty good.
[1:32:38] I'm feeling good about it.
[1:32:40] Accepting the elevator
[1:32:43] and what have you guys start the elevator.
[1:32:45] No, I did just get an update from Stanley about a week ago,
[1:32:49] and the part is now trending.
[1:32:50] End of July, beginning of August.
[1:32:53] So as soon as the part comes in, my understanding is
[1:32:56] they're going to be able to work on it immediately.
[1:32:59] 2 to 3 day project. So it's really just a matter of that park coming in.
[1:33:02] Why not a park are waiting on required 50%.
[1:33:05] Are you ready? Okay.
[1:33:06] We already are.
[1:33:07] That's okay. The 50%.
[1:33:08] So we do the other half. Yes.
[1:33:11] So essentially at this point the general fund is
[1:33:14] just cash flowing it out of their building, maintenance line.
[1:33:17] So it's going to be overspent.
[1:33:19] And then once it's decided where that funding is coming from, will
[1:33:23] either budget transferred to it from something like the, benefits line or,
[1:33:28] we can charge it out to the
[1:33:31] with the offsetting CRF if necessary. Okay.
[1:33:34] So we make the decision at that point. Yeah.
[1:33:36] So right now it's coming out of general fund.
[1:33:38] Yeah.
[1:33:38] They can still do the work and it won't hold anything up.
[1:33:41] And then we can make the decision to make this work.
[1:33:43] But I think
[1:33:44] yeah you actually have that in your packet to say to tab eight eight tonight.
[1:33:48] If you if you are ready to make that decision.
[1:33:52] Okay everybody good.
[1:33:56] Okay.
[1:33:57] If you don't have anything else,
[1:33:59] it doesn't have anything else.
[1:34:00] You can leave
[1:34:02] that the general election night. Thank you.
[1:34:04] Coming up here. Right.
[1:34:07] Or 40% already.
[1:34:08] We got one coming up in September. Yep.
[1:34:11] Do we think we're going to be over on that one?
[1:34:14] We'll definitely have to, to look at it.
[1:34:17] I'll have to work with Jen.
[1:34:19] And what she's, predicting for four hours, and,
[1:34:24] but, see what we can pull for.
[1:34:26] Yeah, because I want to make sure that we're not thinking, like,
[1:34:29] hey, we're going to go fancy on all kinds of, like, meals and stuff.
[1:34:32] If we have two more elections to do as well.
[1:34:34] Like we have to contain that budget in some way, shape or form as well.
[1:34:41] Because we got September and then we basically get ready for March
[1:34:44] at the same time. No,
[1:34:45] we have September and November, September and November, September, November.
[1:34:48] And so I mean, definitely seems like we may end up going over that if we did 40%.
[1:34:54] All right.
[1:34:56] Yeah, it definitely depends on what we end up because yeah, I think we
[1:34:59] there is a lot and there is a lot spent on learning
[1:35:02] the new tabulators this year.
[1:35:06] The ballot, testing
[1:35:08] took a few more days than we anticipated.
[1:35:10] It did.
[1:35:11] And we've already started
[1:35:12] talking about, ways to make that a little bit more efficient.
[1:35:16] So I did talk to the manufacturer to he stated.
[1:35:19] But some of the issues that we experienced with tabulators,
[1:35:23] they'll have the software fixed before the September election, so
[1:35:27] they may end up having to take some people in here
[1:35:29] to basically, test out those ahead of time.
[1:35:33] So that could be more money as well to make sure that it's working
[1:35:36] as described in the software.
[1:35:37] And I don't know if Jen's talked to them already on that or not.
[1:35:40] I can check with.
[1:35:44] Thank you everybody.
[1:35:46] Once again, for the jail.
[1:35:49] Yeah. Please. Yeah. We don't have. Not yet.
[1:35:52] You can't.
[1:35:53] Chairs was good.
[1:35:55] Just hang on a Friday.
[1:35:58] So, tab eight a, what I have is just, the
[1:36:03] the memo from the last meeting about the the library elevator repair.
[1:36:07] This was tabled until after quarter,
[1:36:10] discussions.
[1:36:11] And I guess we'll just here to answer questions for the board
[1:36:16] and see what you want to do.
[1:36:21] I've been thinking more about this, and I love to see if we can find a way
[1:36:25] to fund that from, like, probably that excess insurance line.
[1:36:29] I feel like the town of Spokane, when they supported putting money into their CRF,
[1:36:35] and now we're going to literally drain it within the first.
[1:36:40] How many months are we?
[1:36:41] Thanks. Because I don't even know anymore.
[1:36:42] A few months into it.
[1:36:43] And the whole point was to be able to prove that they had
[1:36:46] it was it was support from the town and money to go after funds.
[1:36:50] And then we drain it and they no longer do.
[1:36:52] You talking about the 30.
[1:36:54] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:36:56] For that elevator part.
[1:36:58] Oh do they're coming from some sort of savings that we have
[1:37:00] and we know we have it on the insurance line now or it's coming in
[1:37:04] draining the Sarah.
[1:37:10] Because they don't have the money
[1:37:11] in the operating budget period.
[1:37:20] I mean,
[1:37:20] if we have the money, I could back that,
[1:37:24] so we project you're going to have a savings in the benefits
[1:37:27] one of 175,000 for any other department.
[1:37:31] If we have some type of, significant Hvac
[1:37:35] or, fire as an elevator.
[1:37:38] We've got the Ada lift here again.
[1:37:41] Most of those items are out of warranty.
[1:37:43] They get regular maintenance.
[1:37:44] But if all of a sudden, if something happens, if it was any other
[1:37:48] department, we'd be coming here asking for a, budget transfer.
[1:37:52] I think the only reason is this was one of the items.
[1:37:56] But it was really to completely redo the elevator, not just do a repair.
[1:38:00] Right.
[1:38:02] And honestly, we
[1:38:03] from even what chief said, you may be getting more of this this year,
[1:38:09] not just the library.
[1:38:10] Things are going wrong at the fire station.
[1:38:14] I think, if I may, I think that our facilities in general
[1:38:18] are aging, and that's proving out
[1:38:19] what we're seeing in our facility repair lines coming through the invoice,
[1:38:22] the process.
[1:38:23] And when it comes to, something like this, you're talking about
[1:38:27] the health and welfare of the employees as well as the public.
[1:38:31] With this being the oldest building that we really have,
[1:38:36] going with public access, and it's a three story tall building,
[1:38:41] you know, the stairs, hoofing it up the stairs is not necessarily realistic
[1:38:45] or safe in certain situations.
[1:38:47] So, I think that it's definitely a worthy cause.
[1:38:51] And even though there may be some other overages, I think
[1:38:54] as far as priority goes, this one's still going to remain a top priority.
[1:38:58] I will say I personally tried to take my mother there,
[1:39:01] and I knew, but I just left on the first floor.
[1:39:03] I was like, Stacy, if you just make sure mom doesn't leave the library
[1:39:06] so that I can take my kids to a program there.
[1:39:09] And that kind of stunk.
[1:39:10] I mean, obviously, I, I already knew I wasn't going to be happy with that,
[1:39:14] but I feel like there's other people like, she's fine, I'm fine,
[1:39:18] but there are people that might not be fine because you can't get access
[1:39:22] to the things that are on the third floor, which is actually kind of more
[1:39:25] the older that older people.
[1:39:28] But it's the more adult books and the,
[1:39:31] the, computers for them to use up there and all that stuff.
[1:39:34] And it's like it's three floors up.
[1:39:36] So if you can't make it up there, you can't go in until Wednesday, August,
[1:39:42] mid-August.
[1:39:43] Yeah. So right now service.
[1:39:45] Right. Completely. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:39:47] And those stairs are tough.
[1:39:49] I get winded going on at the moment.
[1:39:50] So yeah, I think Pat actually commented that they added chairs.
[1:39:54] Right.
[1:39:55] If it's okay. Yeah. Of course.
[1:39:56] Just want to say to that from the public's perspective for sure.
[1:40:00] It's been a challenge.
[1:40:01] There was a gentleman who came to come in and sure, he was an amputee.
[1:40:08] He was a crutches.
[1:40:09] And and he came in and he wanted to look for a book,
[1:40:14] and he did have somebody with him, thankfully.
[1:40:16] Of course, the staff were also help.
[1:40:18] So he sat on the first floor
[1:40:20] in the children's room and his his person went up.
[1:40:23] It really took away from that hands that ability to just look around for himself.
[1:40:29] We have a heavily pregnant staff member who works on the third floor.
[1:40:33] She's been she just started her leave, but she's been walking those stairs.
[1:40:37] That was tough.
[1:40:39] Just operationally re shelving materials.
[1:40:43] The person who does that work has to hand carry all the books and the media
[1:40:49] and all the things because, you know, put the cart, the shopping cart in the,
[1:40:54] in the elevator.
[1:40:54] It's it's been really a challenge.
[1:40:58] Everybody's, you know, doing the best that they can.
[1:41:01] But it for sure is it's been a real problem.
[1:41:05] Our coffee machines on the third floor, a thousand mentioned.
[1:41:09] A lot of people go up there for the quietest space and building.
[1:41:12] There's kids and teenagers on the other floors.
[1:41:14] It's like the one that's usually around my kids who love to hang up. And.
[1:41:18] And the other part of it, too, is all of the meetings that we hold.
[1:41:21] We have got a library board of trustees twice a month.
[1:41:26] The friends meet there once a month the foundation meets there.
[1:41:28] They are the only meeting space that we have is up on the third floor.
[1:41:33] Some of the members of those meetings themselves,
[1:41:36] never mind any public people who might want to come in.
[1:41:39] They some of them have struggled.
[1:41:40] So we we, you know, moved pretty much all those meetings here to Town Hall.
[1:41:45] Town halls has been fabulous about sharing the space here with us,
[1:41:48] but that's a lot, too.
[1:41:50] Parks and Rec has opened their facility for some of our programs.
[1:41:55] So with a lot of moving parts, a lot of our not so thanks for coming in.
[1:42:01] Yeah.
[1:42:03] Yeah.
[1:42:04] I don't think there was any discussion about the fact
[1:42:06] that there was some fixed discussions about where the money comes from.
[1:42:09] Right.
[1:42:09] Yep. And,
[1:42:13] I think she said at this point, there's a lot of things
[1:42:15] we may end up hearing and then seeing about.
[1:42:17] That sounds like it's already coming out of the general fund right now.
[1:42:20] We just need to make the decision as we get to rack and stack.
[1:42:23] And I don't think we've seen the rack and stack of any requests right now
[1:42:26] to take that. 175 correct.
[1:42:29] We only see one. Yes. Right.
[1:42:32] So and I think we need to rack and stack that completely
[1:42:35] and then make the decision.
[1:42:36] So I personally am not
[1:42:40] there to make the decision on whether or not
[1:42:41] it comes out of the general fund yet or not,
[1:42:43] because if we got a leaking roof and other things like
[1:42:46] I think we should see some of those collectively
[1:42:48] and then make the decision, we're going to pull that,
[1:42:49] because we're also going to have to make recommendations on the CRF,
[1:42:52] on the number of CRS this year, as well as we go into the budget season
[1:42:57] to make sure that we're shifting money into the right spots.
[1:43:00] So, I mean, we can make this on one piece right now, and then you're left
[1:43:04] with, limited funds and not be able to take out of the CRF if you need to.
[1:43:09] At that point, time.
[1:43:11] That's my personal point of view on it.
[1:43:14] I mean, if we want to make a motion to vote on it,
[1:43:18] my personal opinion, as I probably would say,
[1:43:21] not yet.
[1:43:24] I would ask the the know
[1:43:30] department heads to put a list together,
[1:43:33] have it ready for the next meeting so that we can prioritize
[1:43:36] and make that list and start the two way and
[1:43:40] the way on on that.
[1:43:42] And so he said, is he said that or he needs this.
[1:43:44] He said he's got the list all laid out.
[1:43:47] We did it all the way.
[1:43:48] Now we can work progressively
[1:43:51] to try to get the.
[1:43:54] The repairs done.
[1:43:55] And I would just say it's going to be a list based on the first half of the year.
[1:44:00] A lot of us don't know some of the things that are coming down the line,
[1:44:04] or we've started to kind of maybe say no to something,
[1:44:09] you know, some little things, knowing that we've got some, some other things.
[1:44:13] So it may be a, I guess, a starting point of a list, but it's
[1:44:17] probably not going to be what we end up with at the end of the year.
[1:44:20] So we're still we're only six months in and really you're only
[1:44:25] three
[1:44:25] months of spending in the budget because the first three months you're
[1:44:28] getting to town meeting, you're operating under, you know, pretty late anyway.
[1:44:33] So I may I may think a little different than I should, but if I look at what
[1:44:37] we talked about tonight, to me, my priorities would be the library.
[1:44:40] Get the library things first.
[1:44:42] How would the water leak?
[1:44:43] We'll get the water leak fix
[1:44:46] down the road.
[1:44:47] It seems to be okay now, but right now,
[1:44:51] while the people in town are struggling to get to the third floor
[1:44:54] or wherever they need to go in the library because the elevators not working.
[1:44:58] And just to be clear,
[1:44:58] we are moving forward with that repairs as quick as we possibly can.
[1:45:02] And I'm not saying like the elevators are not a priority now.
[1:45:05] I'm just saying where the money comes from is a little bit different,
[1:45:08] but like you, sounds like we're already fixing it and we should be, but it just
[1:45:11] doesn't sound like we fix until we get the part.
[1:45:13] Which is the largest lead time item right now?
[1:45:16] Yeah.
[1:45:17] It's not it's not a matter of like us paying for it
[1:45:19] because we're still paying for it.
[1:45:20] Yeah.
[1:45:21] Like I'm not even sure if we even started on the water leak.
[1:45:24] We have it.
[1:45:26] So you know what I'd say?
[1:45:28] Like, if we have water leaking, it's basically leaking to the roof.
[1:45:31] You can end up with a much larger repair bill if you don't actually take care of it
[1:45:34] immediately.
[1:45:38] So that.
[1:45:39] Yeah, I'm not of course, that that's like
[1:45:42] we can start pulling together a list, still be
[1:45:44] just maybe included with the action matrix
[1:45:47] to get some of the items that were right.
[1:45:49] Yep. Okay.
[1:45:50] And now that will that won't be a part for the library that looks like that.
[1:45:55] Okay. No problem.
[1:45:56] We can do it the next meeting
[1:45:57] or even after the meeting after that, I think the only real thing
[1:46:01] we'll be up against is as you start presenting capital reserve
[1:46:05] funds to the budget committee for consideration.
[1:46:09] If you're draining money out of the this capital reserve fund,
[1:46:11] are you going to recharge it and that and that's and that's the discussion.
[1:46:15] Right.
[1:46:16] And about that'll be in October, November.
[1:46:18] That's why I agree with Mark.
[1:46:19] I think we should at least have someone on the list.
[1:46:21] Even if it is the first half of the year, we can make some decisions really quick
[1:46:24] and then make a decision on whether or not we're going to pull it
[1:46:27] out of, the excess, benefits line
[1:46:31] item.
[1:46:32] As we move forward, we can always take that list, look at it,
[1:46:35] readjust it, do it again so that it's prioritized a little different.
[1:46:41] So if we need a motion for a list, I make a motion that we get
[1:46:46] a list of the items that the departments think that they will need.
[1:46:50] The excess.
[1:46:50] Benefits line from in a priority order for it.
[1:46:53] So that way we can make a decision, at the following meeting on the library.
[1:46:57] Second, a motion by George, second by Mark.
[1:47:02] Any further discussion?
[1:47:04] All in favor?
[1:47:05] Opposed?
[1:47:06] Okay, so it.
[1:47:09] So we've already done Tab A B and a C.
[1:47:15] You have a D,
[1:47:17] you have your the Hampshire Municipal Association propose, legislative
[1:47:22] policy and principles for, the next legislative
[1:47:26] session, 20, 27 and 2028.
[1:47:32] The town is a member of New Hampshire Municipal Association.
[1:47:35] And this is basically divide
[1:47:38] all the towns get together, all the participating members
[1:47:41] get together and craft.
[1:47:42] They have, subcommittees that craft these revised, policies and principles.
[1:47:47] And this is will direct NMS staff on which bills
[1:47:51] they will advocate for, which ones I'll advocate against.
[1:47:55] Or any that really don't fall under their purview.
[1:47:59] They don't, take any action on it.
[1:48:01] So, I'd ask you to,
[1:48:04] to review it, have discussion and,
[1:48:07] and again, that's really the only deadline for this is,
[1:48:11] at your by your next meeting, if you wanted to submit a four floor
[1:48:16] proposal, if you see something that's on this,
[1:48:20] policy and principles that's missing, and you want to submit
[1:48:22] a four floor proposal that has to be done by August 4th,
[1:48:27] and then, by the end of August,
[1:48:32] you, need to vote to authorize somebody to vote on the town's behalf
[1:48:37] to act as a delegate at the legislative policy conference on September 11th.
[1:48:44] Tim. Okay.
[1:48:46] Yeah.
[1:48:46] I didn't have a problem with, like, a lot of the general up front pieces.
[1:48:51] They seem to be kind of like the risk pools, that sort of thing.
[1:48:54] Because that seems to be what we're talking about all the time.
[1:48:56] Yeah. Yep.
[1:48:57] But like, and and the right to know laws, I think it's interesting
[1:49:03] what they're saying there, but I mean, like,
[1:49:05] I didn't see like hard and fast kind of approaches
[1:49:08] this as to what they're planning to do around that.
[1:49:11] It's more of like, hey, there's a lot of extra time being spent.
[1:49:14] So do you have an idea as to like what they're thinking on any of those? No.
[1:49:17] So a lot of times they'll just advocate when a bill comes in.
[1:49:21] They better kind of look at it through this lens.
[1:49:24] So if all of a sudden Bill were to be proposed to change, right,
[1:49:28] to know that an Army staff feels is going to create a huge time burden,
[1:49:34] then they would advocate against that
[1:49:36] so they don't really get into specifics.
[1:49:41] They don't actually advocate
[1:49:43] very much for actually hours for submitting legislation.
[1:49:47] It's more how are they going to react once legislation is proposed? You,
[1:49:53] you know, come in after the next election in November.
[1:49:57] Those are what become the bills that the House
[1:49:59] and Senate.
[1:50:04] You know, the only other one that kind of like really
[1:50:06] stuck out to me was the substance abuse prevention response that's always brought
[1:50:11] up, quite a bit of discussion at the, because it's you have
[1:50:16] you have, people that fall on both sides of that argument.
[1:50:19] So that one usually brings up a lot of discussion once
[1:50:22] we get to that, you know, policy number.
[1:50:26] And if you look at the language, a lot of what they look for
[1:50:29] in every section, including that one, is local control.
[1:50:32] They want to advocate, in most cases for a local control,
[1:50:35] whether it's, you know, for communities to opt into things
[1:50:38] if they want to participate rather than state bills coming forward
[1:50:41] where it's not an update or an opt out, it's a you will allow this kind of thing.
[1:50:46] Well, I just want to make clear that, like, we don't have any say over
[1:50:52] rules and regulations of this.
[1:50:53] Like why are we trying to opt in or opt out of legislation on,
[1:50:59] on these pieces?
[1:51:00] Like typically we don't have any say
[1:51:02] for the most part, and I don't think we have enough staff to go and push
[1:51:06] substance abuse programs or anything else like that here in the community.
[1:51:11] So I would hope that we wouldn't be trying
[1:51:14] to push for local supervision of that.
[1:51:17] No, it's more of, you know, as Derek said,
[1:51:20] if an LSR is presented, as we've seen in the past, for instance,
[1:51:25] but not the sale of a product, they may say,
[1:51:30] you know, similar to like we saw with zoning where an aunt may come in and say,
[1:51:35] this is going to be allowed in every community, period.
[1:51:39] And May would look at their guidelines to determine
[1:51:41] if they're going to advocate against that on behalf of the communities to remain,
[1:51:46] you know, independent in whether or not they're going to participate in that.
[1:51:50] So they would, you know, oppose legislation
[1:51:53] that's a blanket in that case.
[1:51:56] Well, I think that that's something
[1:51:57] that we would all have to be aligned on because, I mean, we're only one state
[1:52:03] in this area and the basically does not sell like cannabis, for instance.
[1:52:06] And that is a revenue generating source.
[1:52:09] But I
[1:52:10] think the point is that if they passed it at the state level, they wouldn't.
[1:52:14] And they were trying to say that everybody now had to do it.
[1:52:17] Now it would push that we as Goffstown
[1:52:20] selectboard or people would get to decide whether we wanted to sell it,
[1:52:24] not have the state sit there and say, everybody has to, you can't stop.
[1:52:27] And that's the way it is.
[1:52:29] Goffstown decides what happens to the town, right?
[1:52:32] And that's why, in the red line,
[1:52:33] you see that it actually moved from one category to another.
[1:52:36] It used to be opposes.
[1:52:38] Now it supports in that they're saying it's becoming more likely
[1:52:42] that we're seeing more illnesses related to this.
[1:52:44] However, if you're going to pass something we would like to see these benchmarks.
[1:52:49] You know, we'd like to see, discussions about community impact fees or discussions
[1:52:53] where a community could, you know, come up with an individual agreement.
[1:52:57] And that's what these guidelines are for.
[1:52:59] That's what I'm definitely behind. Like, I want the money.
[1:53:02] Like, yeah, that's what they're looking to advocate for the future.
[1:53:05] But again, this is just their draft for all the community to consider.
[1:53:10] Okay.
[1:53:11] We'll have a discussion on that next. Yeah.
[1:53:13] So if people if the board members can continue to look at this,
[1:53:17] what we've done in the past, the board has options to,
[1:53:20] you could grant broad authority to whoever your delegate is.
[1:53:24] I, I've been to the last couple and voted on those.
[1:53:27] You could say we support all these proposals except for.
[1:53:33] We really don't like this one.
[1:53:35] Because what happens on the day of is that everybody that's participating
[1:53:38] goes up, sit around,
[1:53:39] and they go through these one by one, and you do, like a card and vote.
[1:53:44] Yeah.
[1:53:51] I don't know if I saw any, I.
[1:53:57] Don't remember seeing any of them.
[1:54:00] I like data centers filled out.
[1:54:03] I think there was some data centers under land use.
[1:54:06] Here it is.
[1:54:07] Well, now there's an know pieces underneath.
[1:54:11] Legislation and information and technology.
[1:54:13] Right. You know, page 15, is there.
[1:54:23] So there may be just a
[1:54:24] couple areas that we may want to lean into.
[1:54:28] I know the Merrimack was
[1:54:29] it was Merrimack that had issue with like an ice facility or whatever.
[1:54:32] Yeah.
[1:54:33] Yeah.
[1:54:39] Okay. 88.
[1:54:43] Yeah.
[1:54:44] So this is the electricity supply in results.
[1:54:47] Analyst Danielle she's been working on that.
[1:54:49] So I passed out an updated sheet
[1:54:53] to everyone with today's most recent figures
[1:54:58] from not sure Trenton as well.
[1:54:59] That does differ from what we had.
[1:55:03] It actually went down a little bit.
[1:55:04] So we're happy for that.
[1:55:07] At this point
[1:55:09] we are recommending a 48 month
[1:55:12] contract looking at the market.
[1:55:15] So on the large sheet, we're
[1:55:17] recommending the FCM adjustable first point power 48 month contract
[1:55:23] at a, point 1 to 1
[1:55:27] zero seven per kilowatt hour rate. So
[1:55:32] obviously the
[1:55:33] utilities always go out several digits.
[1:55:36] And those rates are pretty complex.
[1:55:40] I've looked through everything with our consultant,
[1:55:43] and that has been a huge help, because having the expertise within
[1:55:47] the industry has made a big difference in what we're actually looking at.
[1:55:51] Because as you'll see, it's in the full bid stack, which is the grid on the right.
[1:55:56] It's not the lowest bid.
[1:55:58] But the reason is it's the most stable, and it has,
[1:56:01] the longest, stability rate for the town.
[1:56:06] So if you look out for years, even though some of these other ones,
[1:56:10] that are near it are also 48 month terms,
[1:56:13] they have FCM and DC adjustable, which can really skew their data.
[1:56:18] And so smartest energy we felt was coming in a little bit
[1:56:23] under bid actually when you consider what's built into their rates.
[1:56:28] And I'm happy to to explain that, we have some visuals here
[1:56:31] that also can explain the market. And the rate pulled out.
[1:56:35] So it says adjustable rate you we're doing 48 months.
[1:56:37] Is that 48 months at that.
[1:56:39] So only the FCM component is adjustable.
[1:56:42] So if you look in your packet at the
[1:56:47] the fold out section,
[1:56:50] the last large page of your fold out
[1:56:53] has a bar chart.
[1:56:56] And so what
[1:56:58] we're looking at, in those rates,
[1:57:01] the blue portion
[1:57:04] is the actual electrical supply.
[1:57:07] The FCM is the little orange component.
[1:57:11] The daisy is the light blue.
[1:57:14] And then you have a few other ancillaries,
[1:57:18] administrative adders, things like that.
[1:57:20] So we're locking in.
[1:57:23] The majority of the rate.
[1:57:24] There's only one component that could still mobilize, and that's the FCM, which,
[1:57:30] that's
[1:57:32] a piece that, only has the ability
[1:57:34] to adjust, once or twice a year.
[1:57:37] It's actually going to be changing in June of 28.
[1:57:39] So FCM stands for the for capacity market.
[1:57:42] Currently there's an annual auction where all utility generators base
[1:57:48] their operational costs and they submit that to the regulator.
[1:57:52] And they have to project three years out of what their operational cost will be.
[1:57:57] And then the regulator sets this FCM rate that gets built into
[1:58:02] any rate that's offered.
[1:58:05] And then
[1:58:05] starting in June of 2028, they're switching from a three year
[1:58:10] projection to a twice a year seasonal projection.
[1:58:13] And because of that, it would be able that piece of the rate could adjust.
[1:58:18] But it won't adjust until at least post June 2028.
[1:58:24] And then we'd see an adjustment, potentially for the winter of 28 into 29.
[1:58:29] And that would maybe one more after that.
[1:58:33] If the four year sanction issue.
[1:58:38] So it's a pretty small amount.
[1:58:40] And looking at the projectors and everything in the market,
[1:58:43] we're expecting that that adjustment may only amount to something like $1,500
[1:58:47] in year three, which is not a huge swing.
[1:58:50] And obviously when we do our budget,
[1:58:54] each year we have the opportunity to adjust for things that we're expecting that.
[1:59:12] So if the rates do change,
[1:59:13] then we can go back and go to the market if it gets too high.
[1:59:16] So what I'm reading here
[1:59:18] know, what it is, is
[1:59:21] the regulator is going to change a component of the rate,
[1:59:25] but we would still be locked in with that same supplier.
[1:59:28] It's just it wouldn't be changing every bill cycle or anything like that.
[1:59:31] It would change once, maybe twice during the term of the whole contract.
[1:59:35] And the other comment that happens is
[1:59:36] if the rates are more than 10% above the initial rate of return.
[1:59:40] So you're saying that's me if if you are tomorrow these rates.
[1:59:43] Okay, so what. Yeah.
[1:59:45] What we're seeking is authorization to have panel act on this
[1:59:50] because these rates that you have here are going to change
[1:59:53] that when they report tomorrow. Gotcha.
[1:59:57] Yeah.
[1:59:58] What time do they run.
[1:59:59] So every single day when they go to lock in,
[2:00:03] there's a different rate based on almost like the New York Stock Exchange.
[2:00:06] Like it's constantly changing.
[2:00:07] That's why we got these rates today.
[2:00:10] The rates in your packet, which were higher, were actually from Thursday.
[2:00:15] So just a few days makes a difference.
[2:00:17] On average.
[2:00:18] What time do they change the rates though?
[2:00:19] They don't change them at a specific time, I believe it.
[2:00:22] It's like 9 a.m. or something like that.
[2:00:25] So we wouldn't be able to get in before they change the rates
[2:00:29] to means to get to get this one.
[2:00:31] Yeah. It is possible. Yeah.
[2:00:32] They that tomorrow morning like I send off the information tonight
[2:00:36] and they lock it in first thing and normally they do approve it
[2:00:40] barring anything absolutely insane happens overnight.
[2:00:43] That flips the market up. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:00:44] You mean like a locking.
[2:00:46] Yeah.
[2:00:46] I mean or something like that happened tonight specifically.
[2:00:49] I would probably be back to you because it would be more than a 10% swing.
[2:00:53] I make a motion to authorize. This is a town that's right.
[2:00:55] To coordinate
[2:00:55] the competitive energy services, to accept the lowest state bid
[2:00:59] for electric supply over a 36 or 48 month period, and to authorize
[2:01:03] the assistant town administrator to assign the necessary paperwork,
[2:01:07] with either the current
[2:01:08] supplier or the low bidder, as presented.
[2:01:12] I second the motion by Josh, second by Allison.
[2:01:16] Any more comments? Favor.
[2:01:19] I think those guys have it.
[2:01:23] Okay, so,
[2:01:27] at, tab ATF,
[2:01:30] part of the Cdbg, grant application.
[2:01:34] They do require us to,
[2:01:37] put out a RFP for who's going to do the grant writing services.
[2:01:42] The town received, three, submittals, for this,
[2:01:47] one vendor submitted a very high cost,
[2:01:50] proposal for, just under $9,000.
[2:01:53] One was a flat rate, proposal.
[2:01:57] And one vendor proposed an hourly rate of $100 per hour.
[2:02:00] But, we didn't.
[2:02:02] It was very unclear on how many hours they would require.
[2:02:06] They had initially posted.
[2:02:07] They only required 20.
[2:02:09] But, we were very concerned.
[2:02:12] We looked at, the experience these three vendors
[2:02:15] had, with Cdbg grant applications.
[2:02:19] We also looked
[2:02:20] at, experience with this project in particular.
[2:02:24] So, I'm making a recommendation this evening, chair
[2:02:28] for grant writing services to be awarded to Donna Lane,
[2:02:32] the Cdbg consultant located in Conway, New Hampshire.
[2:02:36] So this is a couple of the general fund.
[2:02:38] And then this comes actually out of the CDG grant application only if awarded.
[2:02:43] So that you this evening, you authorize this middle of the grant
[2:02:48] if it's awarded to grant writer who would actually write it after it gets awarded.
[2:02:52] No, they write for it. Yes.
[2:02:54] So what happens if we don't get the grant?
[2:02:56] They don't get they don't get paid.
[2:02:57] They don't get paid.
[2:02:58] Correct. Okay.
[2:02:59] So it's a contractual obligation that they have to win it in order to get paid.
[2:03:02] Yes I love that.
[2:03:03] Okay.
[2:03:03] I'll make a motion to authorize town administrator engage,
[2:03:09] not a lane, in the grant writing process.
[2:03:11] And to authorize the town administrator to sign any necessary work
[2:03:14] related to the grant on behalf of the town, with the,
[2:03:18] understanding that the grant writer only gets paid by winning the second
[2:03:23] motion by Josh, seconded by Mark.
[2:03:25] Any further comments?
[2:03:27] All in favor? Hi.
[2:03:28] Those guys have it.
[2:03:34] All ahead for the town
[2:03:35] administrator's report.
[2:03:45] So that would bring us to all business.
[2:03:53] The DPW fleet analysis.
[2:04:13] Small handout.
[2:04:14] Just pictures of the two particular
[2:04:18] solid waste vehicles that.
[2:04:22] Charles saw program.
[2:04:23] We talk about when that.
[2:04:25] Okay. Okay.
[2:04:26] Sorry.
[2:04:28] Okay.
[2:04:32] So thank you.
[2:04:33] And I'll come
[2:04:35] I'll try to give them, titles, but, just the first page is,
[2:04:38] an example of our current, curbside pickup truck.
[2:04:42] And then the bottom would be, rental unit, similar body style.
[2:04:47] And then on the second.
[2:04:48] So when we talk about curbside packers or Packer trucks,
[2:04:51] our curbside collection trucks, that's, that's what we're talking about.
[2:04:54] Now, on the second page, is, top
[2:04:57] is our existing, semi tractor semi tractor
[2:05:02] trailer truck with, roll off trailer so that that large trailer,
[2:05:07] is able to grab and, lift our,
[2:05:10] demolition and metal, containers, large metal containers.
[2:05:15] It's transfer station for under the trailer and deliver
[2:05:18] those to, the ultimate, disposal sites.
[2:05:23] In the bottom would be a sample of a combination.
[2:05:26] Roll off truck.
[2:05:27] So that's what we've been looking to go to the last couple of years with CIP.
[2:05:30] Would be to replace that larger, combination unit, which requires a class
[2:05:35] A CDL, very unwieldy, high maintenance item with, with the, with the trailer.
[2:05:41] And it's kind of a one off larger than the standard size.
[2:05:44] So we have bigger containers than most anybody else.
[2:05:47] I can't just call somebody else
[2:05:48] to come and grab our container because they're so big.
[2:05:51] If the truck goes down, we're kind of stuck.
[2:05:53] If the trailer goes down, I should say we're stuck.
[2:05:55] So, we're looking to get to a smaller combination unit, which will require
[2:05:59] some smaller containers, but it will provide
[2:06:02] us a lot more flexibility with who can actually make those runs.
[2:06:05] A class B CDL would only be required for this.
[2:06:07] And I think everybody on staff has that.
[2:06:11] And that would also be something that would be available for rental.
[2:06:16] And the amount that we use the roll off trailer per week is not an everyday item.
[2:06:20] It's as needed as those containers fill up.
[2:06:23] So certain times a year it slows down.
[2:06:24] Of course, with demolition debris and, and metal.
[2:06:28] But, we certainly, use
[2:06:31] the truck itself is used to haul our solid waste trailers.
[2:06:35] But it's a backup unit.
[2:06:38] We can rent a semi tractor without too much trouble.
[2:06:42] That has a regular fourth wheel hitch for those solid waste, transfer trailers.
[2:06:46] We can't rent a roll off trailer of that big.
[2:06:50] So that's kind of a limiting factor there.
[2:06:52] So, the idea with that would be on the roll off truck.
[2:06:56] We get a little more flexibility of use, but also, a little more standardized.
[2:06:59] So if that one on one unit does go down, we can we have backup options available.
[2:07:05] So sorry, I gotta
[2:07:05] have myself, but I wanted to describe what I handed out to you.
[2:07:09] So I don't know,
[2:07:12] what's board, intended?
[2:07:14] Do you want me to just kind of run through the
[2:07:17] executive overview of kind of what
[2:07:19] what sort of things we're dealing with in DPW
[2:07:22] and what options might be open to us, or do you have specific questions?
[2:07:24] Just want to get right to it or what?
[2:07:27] What was your thought?
[2:07:28] I think I am I did the best try to explain what you told me last time.
[2:07:33] Maybe you can kind of go through
[2:07:34] some of the things that you and I talked on the phone. Sure.
[2:07:36] Recommendations that you think we should be doing now and also in the future. Yep.
[2:07:40] Maybe could help us.
[2:07:42] Can do so.
[2:07:43] All right. Stop me from getting too long winded. That never happens.
[2:07:46] So, in general,
[2:07:49] I'm on my page two is kind of the list of our big ticket items and equipment.
[2:07:53] As you see, we have quite a few, 67 I think is the final count of the big stuff.
[2:07:59] That's CIP tracked.
[2:08:00] In general and that in general, we have always, proceeded with the pay
[2:08:06] as you go model.
[2:08:06] So we have enough that it's usually if CFP was progressing as planned,
[2:08:11] we were able to spread those out and keep a reasonably good replacement
[2:08:17] cycle, and without large fluctuations year to year.
[2:08:21] The problem begins to,
[2:08:24] come about when CFP gets deferred or, or, you know,
[2:08:28] that equipment that chief talks about going up 28% in
[2:08:31] just a couple of years, that kind of thing.
[2:08:32] As we get farther behind now, we're starting to stack,
[2:08:35] and we've seen some pretty good increases in now
[2:08:38] what going forward, CFP has to look like each year to keep, keep up.
[2:08:42] And at the end of that table that you've got, I've also got
[2:08:45] the kind of age at replacement versus what,
[2:08:49] what our, our pretty generous replacement, targets are.
[2:08:53] So, a couple of years, after I got here, I extended a lot of the
[2:08:57] replacement cycles, for some of the smaller trucks in particular.
[2:09:00] But, at some point, you can't pull out everything forever.
[2:09:05] So even with our extended cycles, we're still going to be be on target
[2:09:09] by the time, those units come up for replacement.
[2:09:12] Even if every single item that's in CIP makes it to the budget,
[2:09:15] and the budget passes.
[2:09:17] So, we're coming up against some loggerheads.
[2:09:20] And where it's also a, issue is the operating budget.
[2:09:25] So we have aging equipment, we have fleet mechanics,
[2:09:29] very capable, but there's big stuff that comes along, and it's okay.
[2:09:32] Do I put, everything else aside?
[2:09:34] The regular maintenance of the department to work on this truck?
[2:09:37] It might take ten hours.
[2:09:39] It might be a diagnostic issue.
[2:09:40] We don't even have the capability in-house to to handle.
[2:09:44] So when you send something out that cost goes up.
[2:09:48] Some of the just as kind of a general, kind of sense of where
[2:09:52] we're spending some of these, funds, especially solid waste, fleet maintenance.
[2:09:55] So these curbside packers, the older they get, they,
[2:09:59] we are spending, you know, 20 to 25,000 a year
[2:10:03] in some cases, on very large repairs, usually emissions related.
[2:10:07] It's all expensive stuff, but, but the arms break down the,
[2:10:11] the automated, you know, Packer,
[2:10:12] the floor is going to get redone.
[2:10:13] So the longer we hold on to those that annual maintenance
[2:10:16] spend increases as well.
[2:10:18] We start to see that at about year ten.
[2:10:21] So once we've held on to something for ten years, it really the cost
[2:10:24] per year starts to go up each year.
[2:10:28] So, our, our cost of maintenance, town wide has gone up.
[2:10:33] It's a little slower.
[2:10:33] We've only seen only we only seen a 20% change in the last
[2:10:36] five years, but, versus a 55% change in the actual
[2:10:41] purchase, prices of things and the the stacking effect we've had with CIP.
[2:10:46] But looking at, kind of where we, where we might be able to make some inroads,
[2:10:50] I don't think anybody loves the fact that we have, four curbside trucks.
[2:10:55] It's kind of a, we held on to the outgoing truck a few years ago because we.
[2:11:00] And we experienced so many breakdowns with that, that very often we're
[2:11:04] stuck with no backup truck, and the two on the road are not driving all that well.
[2:11:09] So everybody just kind of, you know, I'm probably not the wrong, additive, but,
[2:11:14] you know, we're all holding our breath waiting for the next breakdown.
[2:11:17] In that point, are we going to defer, curbside collection?
[2:11:20] Are we going to have
[2:11:21] to, you know, come in on a weekend to pick up that kind of stuff happens.
[2:11:24] And, and it's hard to pick up a phone and have a,
[2:11:27] curbside truck at your door, you know, immediately.
[2:11:30] So, looking at a few things,
[2:11:33] there's, the biggest, probably, company
[2:11:36] that provides, service, here is big truck rental.
[2:11:40] They have a couple different plans.
[2:11:41] That I'm going to recommend we take advantage of.
[2:11:44] For our, our frontline trucks.
[2:11:47] They have a, complete fleet program.
[2:11:50] They call it, and it's it's just a annual rental, annual rental payments.
[2:11:55] But, every
[2:11:56] truck you get is, you know, 0 to 6 months old.
[2:11:59] Hardly any hours on them.
[2:12:02] They're all still under warranty.
[2:12:03] So any repairs that any, you know, not preventative maintenance and repairs
[2:12:07] that have to happen are under warranty.
[2:12:09] So you're not paying for that as a customer.
[2:12:11] The company is, if the vehicle goes down,
[2:12:15] you're going to credits for that time that it's down towards your rent.
[2:12:17] So you're actually spending less for your rental, for that vehicle.
[2:12:20] If it's down for, you know, a couple days or a week or whatever, they have a
[2:12:24] because you're a customer with this program, they have a backup unit
[2:12:27] that they can get on the road to you, to cover.
[2:12:30] If it does turn into an extended repair, in the overall spend,
[2:12:36] although you're, on the hook for an annual rental payment,
[2:12:39] and it's a pretty good size number, it's $130,000 a year for each curbside truck.
[2:12:45] But when you start looking at the cost of, for trucks replacing those for trucks,
[2:12:49] even on an extended cycle, like we have the cost of maintenance,
[2:12:55] you know,
[2:12:55] out over the life of a CIP, it's pretty darn close to the, the same amount.
[2:13:01] And what you're getting in return is buy more highly reliable vehicles,
[2:13:05] fewer of them.
[2:13:06] So if you have a, you know, try to keep fleet size as low.
[2:13:10] Of course, that is a concern.
[2:13:11] So, I'd like to go from a four truck
[2:13:14] owned model to a two truck rental model.
[2:13:17] Paying that full rental price for two vehicles.
[2:13:20] But they have another program, which is great.
[2:13:22] I sort of hinted at it with the roll off truck.
[2:13:25] They have an onsite, rental by the hour.
[2:13:28] So for a third truck.
[2:13:30] So we will now have three trucks all about the same, you know, brand new.
[2:13:33] They'll let you keep it on site, and you don't pay anything
[2:13:37] except the cost to get the driver to drop it off at your door
[2:13:40] if you need that truck to be put into service.
[2:13:43] They have it on their survival.
[2:13:45] It's just, automatic vehicle location system, but also, you scan and,
[2:13:49] to be able to,
[2:13:51] coordinate the billing at the end of the month
[2:13:52] and make sure you're getting Bill for the right number of hours.
[2:13:55] They, if you use it ten hours last month, they're going to bill you, for 50 bucks
[2:13:59] an hour. For ten hours.
[2:14:00] Yeah.
[2:14:01] If you didn't need a pickup truck because you're two new trucks
[2:14:04] that they sent, you are in great shape and they haven't had any downtime.
[2:14:07] You pay nothing for that month for to have a third truck hot standby.
[2:14:11] Nothing wrong with it. It's brand new.
[2:14:13] They will call you at some point in the 18 to 24 month window
[2:14:17] and say, this is the time where we want to sell these vehicles.
[2:14:20] We're going to have a new truck sent your way.
[2:14:22] So they they handle that part of things, but, it seems like an okay,
[2:14:26] so you're going to have a truck that's in hand longer than 24 months.
[2:14:31] Which to our mechanics, obviously, they're,
[2:14:36] in love with this idea,
[2:14:37] because of the amount of different things that we have to do to these trucks.
[2:14:40] Keep them on the road.
[2:14:42] The, preventive maintenance would be,
[2:14:45] the responsibility of us while we while waiting on them.
[2:14:47] So for the backup truck, there's probably not a whole lot of preventive maintenance
[2:14:50] that's going to be triggered.
[2:14:51] Because it just won't get that many hours while we would have it.
[2:14:54] But for the front line trucks, you know,
[2:14:56] the tires, the fluids, that kind of thing would be our responsibility.
[2:15:00] But as I mentioned, they're they're all under warranty.
[2:15:03] So the the, you're capping the potential,
[2:15:06] cost at a reasonable number.
[2:15:09] You've got your rental and you've got your PM cost.
[2:15:12] So I think it'd be a pretty good,
[2:15:14] way to jump right into this.
[2:15:18] Right out of the gate with units that are already do or overdue
[2:15:20] for replacement, we could, shrink the fleet size and,
[2:15:25] cut down on our annual spend, at least for the curbside, trucks
[2:15:28] right out of the gate. So that'll be, first item.
[2:15:31] A recommendation would be to, look at developing that model.
[2:15:36] Now, as far as implementation timeline, I'll,
[2:15:40] I'll mention something here about financing and budget and the thing.
[2:15:43] So the big downside with going from a pay as you go model
[2:15:47] to any kind of lease rental, is that you no longer have an asset in hand.
[2:15:52] So, we need some kind of way
[2:15:55] or assurances that, next year
[2:15:58] there's not a defunding of all the equipment, rental.
[2:16:03] I mean, I could do whatever the town wants to do, I guess, at the voters.
[2:16:05] Right.
[2:16:05] But, we want to be able to still maintain,
[2:16:09] service without having to worry each and every single year
[2:16:13] about how we're going to fund the truck rental payments.
[2:16:18] What I would recommend is that we look into developing
[2:16:21] or, putting on the ballot on a for 27, a, special revenue fund,
[2:16:25] which would allow, the either
[2:16:29] just DPW, I guess, or the whole town, all departments to, capture any revenue
[2:16:35] from selling surplus equipment, vehicles or equipment, and have that revenue
[2:16:40] in, deposited automatically into the special Revenue Fund,
[2:16:43] which would then provide seed money and annual operating,
[2:16:47] funds to the board to be the agents to expand.
[2:16:49] And then we could pull
[2:16:51] at least until we run out of equipment to sell in ten, 12 years.
[2:16:55] We could be pulling for the rental payments out of out of those proceeds.
[2:16:59] So that would be a good way to have,
[2:17:01] maybe zero, or
[2:17:03] low impact to the operating budget and capital budget
[2:17:06] and still be able to get that fleet turnover.
[2:17:10] With the pre, market difference.
[2:17:12] So if you kind of take that, without getting to specifics
[2:17:15] for other vehicles, if you take that, approach
[2:17:17] with some of the recommendations, we can go from turning over,
[2:17:21] you know, six, 5 or 6 pieces of equipment in year one of CIP.
[2:17:26] You know, we could do 15, 20, you know, and really get up
[2:17:31] on, get everything back into cycle,
[2:17:34] and still have a lower end result at the, at the end of the year.
[2:17:38] As far as the overall spend,
[2:17:41] where the rental payments start to come in is once
[2:17:44] you start to turn over the whole fleet
[2:17:46] and now you're, you're renting multiple pieces of equipment.
[2:17:48] But the last few years of CIP, it starts to catch up
[2:17:51] and actually overtake the, the current pay as you go model projections.
[2:17:56] But I think we all know what I'm projecting CIP for the next five years.
[2:18:00] There's zero chance
[2:18:01] that 100% of those five is going to make it all the way anyway. So,
[2:18:05] you know, just the way things go.
[2:18:07] So, I think it's a pretty, pretty, good way to fast track
[2:18:12] and especially catch up on some of the things have been deferred.
[2:18:14] So that's a big one to target.
[2:18:16] So I hope we could do the rental
[2:18:20] 50 hour, $50 an hour now, Ken, and actually have,
[2:18:24] because because that's, no, you know, it's in the
[2:18:28] we start about purchasing limits early.
[2:18:29] That that's an easy one because it's a no brainer.
[2:18:31] We can now, we have set this up.
[2:18:35] We've got a unit sitting on site just waiting for a need to be used
[2:18:38] at some point.
[2:18:39] But what that allows us to do is, the next time
[2:18:43] there's a major break down and one of the, you know, the front line or the back
[2:18:47] backup trucks, we can now make that decision. What?
[2:18:49] What's the delivery fee of one of those?
[2:18:51] I think it's like, so, you know, it's up to about 1700 bucks.
[2:18:55] But now we can make the decision.
[2:18:58] Okay.
[2:18:58] If if the 2012 or the 2016 have an issue,
[2:19:02] we're not sending that out for a $10,000 repair.
[2:19:05] It's so it makes sense.
[2:19:06] I just don't find the math.
[2:19:08] Right. It's $50 an hour.
[2:19:10] You know, if we ran it 40 hours a week,
[2:19:13] 52 weeks out of the year, we.
[2:19:15] Yeah, $1,700.
[2:19:17] We're looking at my map, I'm hoping is right about 106,000 a year.
[2:19:21] So why is it cheaper to rent by the hour than it is to rent?
[2:19:25] I would have to look back through what they've given me.
[2:19:28] They do based the hourly rental on the Prorate
[2:19:32] assumptions of, of a one year rental. So,
[2:19:36] so we will
[2:19:37] be using it more hours than 40 hours a week. No.
[2:19:42] Is the rental house slightly smaller?
[2:19:44] I'm just trying to tell, you know, the rental.
[2:19:47] It is there.
[2:19:49] So the rental you may have is two yards, smaller
[2:19:52] on the body, but, they may.
[2:19:55] I'd have to.
[2:19:55] I'd have to dig into the numbers, but they base the, the hourly rate
[2:19:59] on a certain assumption of number of hours per unit, per year use.
[2:20:03] So, so if we sold the oldest one now,
[2:20:08] how much do we think we would get out of it?
[2:20:11] Okay, so then we get it right.
[2:20:12] We end of the revenue piece.
[2:20:13] So, the way it's currently set up, any
[2:20:16] any vehicle that's sold, proceeds go to the general fund.
[2:20:20] Sure.
[2:20:20] So, for the 2012,
[2:20:25] frankly, not not a whole heck of a lot.
[2:20:28] We're probably talking five figures,
[2:20:29] but I'm not sure how much into the five figures.
[2:20:32] Probably, you know, 15 to 20,000, I would guess.
[2:20:36] But we haven't we haven't straight up sold one of these in a little bit.
[2:20:39] So I'm not sure about that.
[2:20:41] Is that the one that has the broken glass issue with the recycling?
[2:20:45] Yes, actually, that's the bad seal.
[2:20:48] So, but right there there's an opportunity to, to if,
[2:20:54] if the plan is to not repair this, if it's going to break down again,
[2:20:58] do we need to have it sit until you know,
[2:21:01] who knows when next year, until another one comes around?
[2:21:05] Yes. I think it's a good option to at least sell the oldest truck.
[2:21:08] Get that off the books.
[2:21:10] It won't be sitting around my housing it or whatever.
[2:21:12] It's never going to be worth more than it is at this point.
[2:21:15] And the need is not going to be there if we have, a third backup
[2:21:19] truck in and plus this $50 an hour, if we needed it.
[2:21:23] Truck. So
[2:21:26] I think that would be a good way for you folks
[2:21:28] to start working in the right direction with, with fleet sizing.
[2:21:32] And also get some of the general fund, you know, revenue,
[2:21:36] if you want to do something with that at tax rate setting timing for sure.
[2:21:40] I would, recommend if we can
[2:21:44] on most items, holding off if there is,
[2:21:47] if the board does want to proceed with a special revenue fund,
[2:21:50] we wouldn't want to sell off too much before that would happen,
[2:21:53] because some of that,
[2:21:54] the newer trucks in particular,
[2:21:55] would provide a good scene for that for those rental payments.
[2:21:58] So, you know, for some of the
[2:22:01] the major turnover items, I would, I would say we'd want to wait.
[2:22:05] I can't afford to even a $60,000 rental payment on a front line.
[2:22:10] Of course.
[2:22:11] Truck. Okay. Sure. So I wasn't fully there.
[2:22:13] Right.
[2:22:14] We end up, letting go of one and then trying to.
[2:22:17] This rental program doesn't go so great, right.
[2:22:21] So I think,
[2:22:22] I think looking at the article first, they are if we get the goodbye
[2:22:26] in with the, with the budget committee that the the town article passes,
[2:22:31] that allows us to immediately, you know, start
[2:22:34] start moving this, older trucks as they, as they're worth more now,
[2:22:40] and then,
[2:22:41] the other immediate item, I would recommend,
[2:22:45] we we currently in the memo, I have some information about
[2:22:48] how much we rent different equipment that we rent throughout the year.
[2:22:51] We rent a mini excavator
[2:22:54] for our highway crews, throughout the the construction season.
[2:22:58] We can actually get a better,
[2:23:02] price, by,
[2:23:06] financing that the cat offers a ten year.
[2:23:09] Actually, seven isn't standard, but, for government that can go to ten years,
[2:23:14] a ten year financing,
[2:23:16] machine that will cost us less per year and have we'd have a big,
[2:23:19] an excavator year round, instead of just the summer months.
[2:23:22] And we'd spend less as a department for that.
[2:23:25] So if, if the board wants to,
[2:23:27] you know, move ahead with that, I would make that recommendation that we
[2:23:31] turn back the, the leased, mini excavator
[2:23:34] and proceed with the, the government, financing option.
[2:23:38] How much have we spent on that already this year?
[2:23:40] I think, probably about 20.
[2:23:44] Yeah.
[2:23:45] You know, if you already spent 20 grand on leasing on that.
[2:23:47] Hey, I think we're either three months in or at least,
[2:23:51] that one is up over,
[2:23:54] so having the other one would be about the same price we've already spent.
[2:23:58] Yeah, I we'd so would it makes sense,
[2:24:01] right.
[2:24:02] Maybe makes sense to do it this year or next year.
[2:24:05] I think what we would only be paying for a partial year of the financing.
[2:24:10] So, that's
[2:24:11] I think it would make sense to do it sooner rather than later,
[2:24:14] because every month we hang on to the the rental unit that costs us more than.
[2:24:19] And that would be an outright purchase.
[2:24:21] So, so they offer a, like a
[2:24:23] ten year finance, but you can you can do an annual payment.
[2:24:26] You could do monthly payments, but, they they're flexible with the terms of it.
[2:24:31] But, they do have municipal appropriation clauses.
[2:24:33] So that allows the board to take an action without going to town
[2:24:37] meeting and saying, we need a ten year, you know, approval.
[2:24:41] If the town decides not to fund, you know, in this case,
[2:24:45] we take it out of the road plan.
[2:24:46] It's usually road plan related, but downsize to unfun DPW,
[2:24:50] and we just don't have the money we took out, and they come get it.
[2:24:54] Okay, so it goes. Yeah.
[2:24:55] So we don't own it at the end of ten years.
[2:24:57] Or do they have like a dollar a year. Yep.
[2:24:59] This was a buyout okay. So yeah yeah.
[2:25:03] So it'd be cheaper to do that starting now.
[2:25:05] Yeah. Then go with the other. Yeah.
[2:25:08] Yeah that's a good idea.
[2:25:09] How much is it a month.
[2:25:11] So there
[2:25:13] I have the monthly rate from them, but their annual
[2:25:19] savings probably typically do it as an annual.
[2:25:21] But we we know this first won't be. Yeah permanent.
[2:25:23] So they're
[2:25:26] sorry I got a bunch of different 4500 a month.
[2:25:29] But that's okay.
[2:25:30] I'm I'm currently writing at 4500 a month.
[2:25:33] And this would be how much a month?
[2:25:34] This depends.
[2:25:35] So, little bit of spec.
[2:25:38] TBD with with what size unit?
[2:25:42] A a comparable size, but with tracks that gave me,
[2:25:46] 16,600 a year for 12 months and then,
[2:25:52] a larger that would be.
[2:25:56] So we're going to fall in the middle here, I'm guessing.
[2:25:57] But the units that we currently have, the excavators, the larger ones,
[2:26:00] that unit that comparable, you know, be 41,000 a year.
[2:26:05] So compared to the mini excavator, it's like 1400
[2:26:08] a month versus the 4500 that we're paying now.
[2:26:13] But we're we normally give up the lease right,
[2:26:17] right, right.
[2:26:18] So how much more time would you normally be keeping with the lease.
[2:26:21] So we normally we'll run third machine until,
[2:26:26] almost until snow falls.
[2:26:27] So, so probably November timeframe.
[2:26:30] Thanksgiving is kind of like the mental health kind of end.
[2:26:33] But so what are we got?
[2:26:35] Like four more months basically give or take.
[2:26:38] Yeah. Yeah.
[2:26:40] We were 18.
[2:26:41] So basically we still make up cheaper.
[2:26:43] If we did
[2:26:44] I'll make a motion to approve you, Adam, to proceed down that path.
[2:26:49] Okay.
[2:26:50] To move to,
[2:26:53] to the model of not,
[2:26:56] not leasing or renting.
[2:26:58] I don't know what we.
[2:26:59] I guess a good motion would be, to utilize the source.
[2:27:02] Well, cooperative purchasing agreement to finance, a mini excavator.
[2:27:07] And and return.
[2:27:10] Cease, cease the rental. Rental.
[2:27:13] I'll make the motion as needed.
[2:27:15] But he said that.
[2:27:17] Okay. Motion by Joshua.
[2:27:18] Thank you. And second, by Mark.
[2:27:21] All in favor?
[2:27:23] To return. Opposed.
[2:27:25] You went to the bathroom?
[2:27:25] I think it about right.
[2:27:28] Yeah.
[2:27:28] So for for for eyes.
[2:27:33] So. Adam.
[2:27:34] Okay.
[2:27:34] If we got rid of,
[2:27:38] Because you said you've already acted on
[2:27:41] getting the standby. Yes.
[2:27:44] So really, if we got rid of the oldest truck
[2:27:47] and put it back in the general fund, that would be kind of protecting us
[2:27:49] because we have the rental, and you may end up using it.
[2:27:53] I think it's a no brainer at this point.
[2:27:55] I certainly don't need, you know, like I can't afford I don't need two
[2:27:59] and a half back ups at this point, which is what that third 2012 truck is.
[2:28:03] It's kind of a half truck at the moment.
[2:28:06] So if you want to make a motion to sell that, I'll make a motion
[2:28:08] to sell the oldest, curbside
[2:28:12] packer truck, the 20, 2012
[2:28:16] and move that money, the proceeds into the general fund.
[2:28:20] And if you could I mean, it's a bit.
[2:28:22] Is that,
[2:28:24] I mean, it's bid that's the correct path.
[2:28:26] I mean, a I think so
[2:28:28] motion by Josh.
[2:28:29] Second. Yep.
[2:28:31] Second by Mark.
[2:28:33] All in favor?
[2:28:34] Opposed?
[2:28:38] Okay. Abstain.
[2:28:38] I can't say I wasn't really here for the.
[2:28:41] Richard didn't just catch you up, Richard.
[2:28:44] Selling the oldest curbside.
[2:28:46] Packer.
[2:28:47] Cool. And,
[2:28:49] just the general we have, we have approved, getting the excavator,
[2:28:54] through source.
[2:28:56] Well,
[2:28:58] that will be cheaper than what we're paying through the current,
[2:29:00] rental process.
[2:29:04] Let's see.
[2:29:04] So I'm on, page six of the my cat ten recommendations
[2:29:09] there. So,
[2:29:14] the other.
[2:29:18] Thing
[2:29:19] that we could do immediately without that special revenue fund,
[2:29:23] if you want to, if you want to talk about this, is the roll off truck.
[2:29:26] So it's been deferred a couple of times. CP
[2:29:30] they have that same
[2:29:32] on on demand hourly rental arrangement for that type of truck.
[2:29:37] And I think regardless if we do it now or next year,
[2:29:41] I think that's the model that makes the most sense
[2:29:43] because we do not use that truck anywhere near 40 hours a week.
[2:29:47] Talking about the one that has to be right.
[2:29:51] Exactly. Yeah.
[2:29:53] But you don't have the right size containers, right?
[2:29:55] So we don't have the right size containers.
[2:29:57] So, they are probably something I could get a rental price on.
[2:30:02] I just haven't gotten that far down the road yet.
[2:30:04] So, we could look at renting a couple cans.
[2:30:08] We could.
[2:30:09] I think we need to evaluate the cost of the cans.
[2:30:11] Yeah, right. Should we own the cans, or should we rent them?
[2:30:15] It's a good, good question.
[2:30:17] I don't know,
[2:30:18] and I would also caution the board here is
[2:30:22] if you move to a rental model on this particular truck.
[2:30:26] Yeah, it will not be in your default budget.
[2:30:28] So if you sell the
[2:30:32] right, if you sell the,
[2:30:34] the bigger unit and you move to this, then that's going to widen the gap
[2:30:40] between your default and your proposed budget this coming season.
[2:30:43] I think we should discuss this with the Budget Committee.
[2:30:47] What it is that we should be doing now, if it goes in
[2:30:50] to next year's budget, will it become part of the fall budget?
[2:30:53] If it goes out of it? Yes.
[2:30:55] If the voters approve the yes.
[2:30:57] So I think what we need to get them bought into is this model,
[2:31:00] because
[2:31:01] I think there's a lot of value in this.
[2:31:05] I mean, there's also been a lot of discussion
[2:31:07] about the whole fleet management side of the House,
[2:31:11] like some of these,
[2:31:13] I assume, like some of these could be in the fleet management portion as well too.
[2:31:16] They may have some of these,
[2:31:18] some, enterprise when we talked to them, they didn't have much for it
[2:31:23] and they didn't have any construction equipment.
[2:31:25] And the heavy duty stuff was kind of hit or miss.
[2:31:28] Yeah, they were very much more the the low the the more the SUVs, the vehicles,
[2:31:34] the one that I had sent you supposedly does some construction stuff there.
[2:31:39] Canadian company, though.
[2:31:42] So again, like,
[2:31:45] the keep the money local.
[2:31:48] Yeah. Same time
[2:31:50] I think that that's part of the discussion.
[2:31:52] Like we can't get any of those in there
[2:31:54] then like, this rental path may be the right path to go.
[2:31:58] And I think we need to get that call.
[2:32:00] Now, if we got the 130 K a year for the Packer trucks,
[2:32:05] curbside pack of trucks,
[2:32:08] that's 260 K a year,
[2:32:10] you're not spending that in maintenance right now at all.
[2:32:14] No, no.
[2:32:16] So basically we'd be selling that off and then trying to figure out
[2:32:18] how that becomes part of the budget every year.
[2:32:21] Right.
[2:32:22] So the at least at first, if the revenue fund is established,
[2:32:27] we can use the proceeds of, you know, even if we just quite keep it
[2:32:31] simple mentally.
[2:32:32] The the three remaining trucks say March.
[2:32:35] There's you know, we we pull the trigger on getting the rental units in
[2:32:39] and we immediately put the others out for sale.
[2:32:42] I'm not sure munis bid for the two newer trucks in particular may not be the best.
[2:32:47] We might have better luck actually reaching out to, like,
[2:32:49] you know, the, cannot wastes of the world and, you know, that kind of do some
[2:32:53] do a little more,
[2:32:54] on the pavement type work on on those because they do have a lot of life
[2:32:57] left in them.
[2:32:58] But anyway, the revenue from those would,
[2:33:01] in my head, anyway, be the first few years worth of those,
[2:33:06] rental payments.
[2:33:07] So I would imagine two, maybe two.
[2:33:09] And a half years worth of that from the sale of proceeds.
[2:33:13] And then we need to look at whether or not those,
[2:33:16] rental payments
[2:33:17] become part of the operating budget or do you have a line in the CFP
[2:33:20] that just turns into annual payments rather than purchase?
[2:33:25] So from an accounting standpoint,
[2:33:28] if it's ongoing rental, it wouldn't be in the CIP.
[2:33:33] Because that's strictly for capitalized items.
[2:33:39] But I think is it the purchase
[2:33:41] of one of those packers like close to 400,000?
[2:33:45] They're going to be so probably close to five.
[2:33:48] Yeah.
[2:33:48] But so the rental essentially is spreading it out across 3 or 4,
[2:33:54] five years comparatively to what it would be to outright purchase it.
[2:33:58] It's kind of doing that smoothing of the once you get the last.
[2:34:03] What's the projected replacement on that
[2:34:05] bond, the factors that you want it to have.
[2:34:09] So currently.
[2:34:10] So yeah, it's 10 or 15 at this point.
[2:34:13] We have a ten year goal.
[2:34:15] But we're obviously well beyond that.
[2:34:19] To them, and
[2:34:23] yeah, if we went with the current model
[2:34:26] replacing as we go, we kind of still need, you know, three trucks.
[2:34:30] So three trucks, ten years, you know, it's here every few years
[2:34:34] you have a packer come up.
[2:34:35] So as Danielle said, you know, at some point soon we're going to hit 500
[2:34:38] grand over the three years for 3 or 4 years, I guess.
[2:34:43] So it's over ten years.
[2:34:44] We have three that we have to replace already.
[2:34:46] You're looking at 1.5 million, right?
[2:34:53] Right.
[2:34:53] And then so now you're benefiting from that, not having that, cost
[2:34:58] for all those, but you're also reducing the maintenance and the downtime in the.
[2:35:02] So I think it's a no brainer.
[2:35:03] And you're constantly turning those trucks.
[2:35:05] And I wonder if we propose that we do one next year and then,
[2:35:09] the next one the following year.
[2:35:12] We move to the
[2:35:13] rental part of that rental model
[2:35:16] we sell off to next year.
[2:35:18] But I would suggest a fundamental sell off the next.
[2:35:23] Sorry, good phase.
[2:35:24] And however you do it.
[2:35:27] Yeah.
[2:35:28] Okay.
[2:35:31] And then, you know, then the 20
[2:35:33] to the remainder of the recommendations, you know, it's really looking at 27.
[2:35:36] But we could
[2:35:38] frontload some of the,
[2:35:40] you know, both excavators are
[2:35:43] coming do ones overdue and ones coming.
[2:35:45] Do we get one loader.
[2:35:47] That's let's do a backhoe which is overdue.
[2:35:49] And those rental payments have been pretty crippling the last two years.
[2:35:53] Now when that goes down and one of the skid steer.
[2:35:56] So those are other items that we could do a similar,
[2:36:00] long term finance or lease.
[2:36:02] And I mean, like we approved tonight, something like that.
[2:36:05] Exactly.
[2:36:06] So is that's something you want to figure out as part of the budget?
[2:36:08] And I think so.
[2:36:10] And there's going to be some work, with, with the revenue fund
[2:36:14] and how that and how the budgeting for that works.
[2:36:18] I'm guessing I know, but I guess is that a good, good answer?
[2:36:21] So, right.
[2:36:22] What are we program in, for, for year one, if it's approved,
[2:36:27] there's going to be some moneys.
[2:36:30] Appropriated,
[2:36:31] but maybe not because they would be proceeds of sale, so.
[2:36:34] Well, we still have to do gross appropriation, but
[2:36:38] we would probably treat it as an offset revenue, especially in that first year.
[2:36:43] I guess what we can prove the fund is self-sustaining, right?
[2:36:46] I mean, we just there's so many unknowns about how much we could get from the sale
[2:36:49] of field equipment. Right.
[2:36:51] You almost have to budget anticipated if we anticipate selling for pieces.
[2:36:55] What's the best guess of expected revenue?
[2:36:57] I guess for.
[2:37:02] And there's
[2:37:03] similar models for, for the, the heavy, dark cloud
[2:37:06] truck packages as well. So,
[2:37:10] I think for the amount that we have in the,
[2:37:13] the amount that is getting deferred and starting to stack up,
[2:37:18] it certainly seems like a good way to do it.
[2:37:20] As long as we can couch the, the downside,
[2:37:24] which is that possibility of left holding up things, everything's on funded,
[2:37:29] you know, by the town budget committee.
[2:37:37] Greater retirement.
[2:37:38] That's another one.
[2:37:39] If the board's looking to,
[2:37:42] you know, get some more
[2:37:44] general fund revenue prior to tax rates, that in time,
[2:37:48] the greater we don't use much anymore,
[2:37:51] we converted, a handful of a handful.
[2:37:55] Three, I guess. Gravel roads.
[2:37:57] So we have fewer gravel roads.
[2:37:58] And we've had in the past, at this point, the grain has been down
[2:38:03] a couple of times over the last few years.
[2:38:04] So we've rented or not rented that we have, contracted out some one time
[2:38:09] grading of of the remaining gravel roads as they need it.
[2:38:12] If you wanted to sell that in 1992 greater and get a couple grand for for that.
[2:38:17] That's what I use in the greater at all right now.
[2:38:20] Not not much.
[2:38:21] I mean, in a pinch, we we could sell it at some money in the bank.
[2:38:25] It's time to go to pasture one way or another.
[2:38:26] So so we're basically contracting every time we do the grading.
[2:38:30] Yeah. Yep.
[2:38:32] And it's not much any, any repair on this thing is pretty.
[2:38:36] You know, it's big money to fix a machine that big. And
[2:38:40] it's that old.
[2:38:41] I'm not going to put any more money into it.
[2:38:43] So if you want to sell it
[2:38:44] now or next year, it doesn't really change how we're going to operate anyway.
[2:38:48] So might be a good one to move.
[2:38:54] Motion.
[2:38:55] So now he needs a motion.
[2:38:58] I'll make that motion.
[2:39:01] Seconded
[2:39:03] a motion by Mark.
[2:39:04] Seconded by Richard.
[2:39:06] All in favor?
[2:39:07] Oh. All right.
[2:39:08] Post guys have it
[2:39:11] gone.
[2:39:12] I don't know if anybody else.
[2:39:13] My eyes are glazing over.
[2:39:14] Is there anything else you wanted to take into tonight or.
[2:39:17] I think that's good to at least get us started.
[2:39:19] I think it was good to have us that. Okay. It's good.
[2:39:23] I think it was at 130.
[2:39:26] For the for the curbside, 130 for the year each.
[2:39:30] Correct.
[2:39:31] So if we were doing two of them, 260. Yeah.
[2:39:34] If we do that and suggested to the budget committee or whatever, that's fine.
[2:39:38] Right now, $50 per hour on the stand by the sitting out there, right?
[2:39:42] Yeah. And it's a smaller truck.
[2:39:44] Is that one?
[2:39:44] It's slightly yeah. It's the back.
[2:39:47] The the body itself is, but the back door is a little more rounded.
[2:39:51] So we ended up using that.
[2:39:52] I got forced into it.
[2:39:53] It's about 100 and 6KA year
[2:39:55] for the bike, which I sure I would like an answer to that to.
[2:39:58] Why is it cheaper if we did it.
[2:39:59] Yeah I'm sure I really I think there's got to be some something somewhere.
[2:40:03] There's something missing. There's no way them.
[2:40:05] And if not, then
[2:40:06] why would just rent three trucks on demand
[2:40:10] shipping?
[2:40:14] What I mean
[2:40:17] by that if I.
[2:40:18] Yeah, I'll look at them after they.
[2:40:20] Yeah. They what they used for an assumption number out.
[2:40:23] Yeah.
[2:40:23] The roll off of that I don't know if I mentioned the roll
[2:40:26] off, rental is $40 an hour, so it's a little less.
[2:40:29] More so for the for the truck or for the for the truck.
[2:40:33] Yeah, but not for the, the, Pollock
[2:40:37] cans, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:40:39] The cans themselves have their own, like, connection point.
[2:40:42] And to the truck, they have, like a pin that gets hooked.
[2:40:46] And then they have wheels and they have wheels on the roof.
[2:40:48] Yeah. So the truck itself is what does the grab in the home?
[2:40:51] Can you look at buying those trailers also price wise?
[2:40:56] The cans, the cancer because I don't think they have a ton of maintenance on them.
[2:40:59] We've just got to beat the hell out.
[2:41:00] Then you're going to. Well, I'm at the meeting. Right.
[2:41:02] It's kind of where we're at with our original plan.
[2:41:03] If if, CFP, a budget a passed for the roll off
[2:41:07] was to pay somebody to modify our cans.
[2:41:10] Looking at them, there's more that would need to be fixed than is left.
[2:41:14] It cobbled together with the current cans.
[2:41:17] Yeah, because ours actually they go up on the trailer, right? Yes.
[2:41:21] Whereas the other ones you're talking about have wheels built into them.
[2:41:24] Ours have wheels as well because they, they kind of get pulled up on
[2:41:27] and they, they do all that.
[2:41:29] They roll up the big ones like this. Yeah.
[2:41:32] It'd be a similar situation that very similar to smaller,
[2:41:35] smaller trailer CB rolls in the trailer along with the truck.
[2:41:38] So in this case it's a combo.
[2:41:40] So the truck itself has like a flat.
[2:41:42] Let's see it.
[2:41:44] So the cans on the on the bottom picture there is going to be almost right up
[2:41:47] against the cab of the truck
[2:41:49] rather than all the way back starting at the fifth wheel.
[2:41:52] It's a question on that,
[2:41:54] because we wouldn't have as
[2:41:55] much space for debris right?
[2:41:59] How much more would it be increasing on fuel?
[2:42:03] So that's the thing we'd look at along
[2:42:05] with, maybe the the quantity cans too.
[2:42:08] Do we get one more, you know, whatever.
[2:42:10] Well, I, I'm just thinking the trips you may have to make more trips.
[2:42:14] Yeah.
[2:42:15] So, like, I think you need to do a quick back of the envelope calculation of, like,
[2:42:19] you know, we only take this like, five times a year, but,
[2:42:21] you know,
[2:42:22] if we take the same amount of space, we're going to be doing it 20 times
[2:42:24] and this is how much time we spend on fuel.
[2:42:26] So what's the cost calculation.
[2:42:28] Yeah, yeah, we're.
[2:42:32] Or do they make them with a headboard
[2:42:35] to protect the cab?
[2:42:37] You know. Any idea
[2:42:39] I don't you know, I don't, I don't know
[2:42:41] I know that the way the rails go
[2:42:45] when it stops can't going any farther.
[2:42:48] Not sure if you got into an accident that it would matter either way, but
[2:42:54] so would you need a less of a license to run one of these? Yes.
[2:42:57] Yeah. Okay.
[2:42:58] Yeah, there's value there, but that's a tricky one to put a number on.
[2:43:01] But yes, we want to we have just to be for the proposed combo unit.
[2:43:06] Once you get into the trailer, it becomes a classic.
[2:43:10] How many do we have a class saying is it just one person,
[2:43:13] including the foreman?
[2:43:15] That's all the way.
[2:43:15] So we have our long haul truck driver.
[2:43:18] I mean, we have, five, I think, department wide, but in in solid
[2:43:22] waste itself.
[2:43:23] We just have the, the foreman in our tractor trailer.
[2:43:27] Normal tractor trailer driver.
[2:43:29] And then our ground man also has an egg currently, so
[2:43:34] we do have three that can kind of rotate through if need be, but
[2:43:38] they're taking somebody off the transfer station to put them in the truck.
[2:43:42] Yeah. Yeah.
[2:43:43] Okay.
[2:43:44] Okay.
[2:43:47] Good.
[2:43:48] Okay.
[2:43:52] All right.
[2:43:52] Thank you.
[2:43:53] Thank you.
[2:43:53] And for sure thank you for the action tonight.
[2:43:56] So it was a lengthy one, but I think it'll pay off.
[2:44:01] Okay.
[2:44:02] We move on to new business.
[2:44:06] Come.
[2:44:08] Oh, yeah.
[2:44:08] So, bringing to your attention that the Hillsborough, County
[2:44:12] Department of Corrections with some of their Covid funds, began
[2:44:17] a jail study to look at the Hillsborough
[2:44:21] County Jail on Valley Street in Manchester.
[2:44:24] And they presented this information to the county commissioners
[2:44:26] at the end of December and in, January.
[2:44:30] And it resulted in three options for the county.
[2:44:33] One would be to repair the facility and upgrade it at its current location.
[2:44:38] Option two would be to renovate, put in some additions,
[2:44:41] at the current facility, and option three would be to construct a new facility
[2:44:46] in Goffstown off, New Hampshire Route 114 during this is on to existing county
[2:44:52] land, on the west side of route 114
[2:44:56] between Saint Anselm Drive and Mass Road.
[2:45:00] This is under the limited access portion
[2:45:03] of, route 114.
[2:45:06] So kind of bringing this,
[2:45:08] to your attention, what you have, in your packet
[2:45:12] here, some of the design, department concerns with option three.
[2:45:17] If the county moves towards bringing the county jail, to Goffstown,
[2:45:22] starting with the planning and construction phases, I don't have
[2:45:27] a significant impact on building inspection, fire and DPW engineering.
[2:45:32] This is for the review of permits, fire protection,
[2:45:36] life safety features, and any, on site site work.
[2:45:41] During the construction phases.
[2:45:43] A lot of that is actually, Tom would be compensated and,
[2:45:48] with permitting fees, for those,
[2:45:51] operationally,
[2:45:54] and this has a higher frequency, this type of, facility would have
[2:45:59] a higher frequency of medical calls than a typical commercial property.
[2:46:03] It would also be,
[2:46:07] increased prevalence of chronic medical
[2:46:09] conditions, mental health emergencies and incidents.
[2:46:13] Involving inmate behavior, a lot of the day to day
[2:46:17] operations, regarding the law enforcement piece would be covered
[2:46:20] by the Department of Corrections and the Hillsborough County sheriff,
[2:46:25] but a lot of the, EMS calls, medical or any fire
[2:46:29] related would have to be picked up by, Goffstown Fire.
[2:46:33] Additionally, there'd be, large need for new training,
[2:46:37] for, fire department,
[2:46:40] because currently the primary responding department is, City of Manchester.
[2:46:46] And then,
[2:46:46] you know, just general to try and get that word out.
[2:46:50] So, what we've provided to you is a printout of the,
[2:46:56] jail study presentation, and I flagged where
[2:46:59] they show option three and minutes from the meeting.
[2:47:03] I did talk to the county administrator, about a month ago.
[2:47:07] He, indicated that
[2:47:10] their FY 27 budget does not include funds
[2:47:14] for further planning or for building design at this point.
[2:47:19] But, I did not get, indication,
[2:47:22] you know, what the next step in the process,
[2:47:24] they may be waiting until their new delegation gets, seated
[2:47:28] after the elections, and we'll probably pick it up, in 2027.
[2:47:34] So how many beds they have in Manchester?
[2:47:37] It's in the planning study.
[2:47:38] I think they were looking for 485 beds with,
[2:47:42] so the existing facility has 377
[2:47:46] cells with 721 beds.
[2:47:51] So it's more beds.
[2:47:54] And I believe there.
[2:47:57] Page one on three had a breakdown of a new building.
[2:47:59] So the new one would be 356.
[2:48:02] And 485 beds.
[2:48:05] But then so that would be a jail first portion and then, what they call
[2:48:11] this DCC, which is the Community Corrections Center,
[2:48:17] I believe that's on the lower, lower tier.
[2:48:20] So that would have, 70 an additional 70 beds.
[2:48:24] So they'd be looking for 555 total plus beds.
[2:48:28] Some of them have maybe a few less.
[2:48:30] Are they plan on keeping the Manchester facility? No.
[2:48:32] If they were to go with option three to construct this one
[2:48:36] new transition over and then, they really don't look at reuse or same.
[2:48:42] Are they have capacity in Manchester
[2:48:44] I believe there's quite a few operational issues there.
[2:48:48] So it's operational net beds are over utilized.
[2:48:53] So do we know how many like,
[2:48:55] emergency calls that they have out of Manchester per year?
[2:49:00] I believe the both the Chiefs are shaking their heads
[2:49:03] like, yeah, we're aware of this.
[2:49:11] Again.
[2:49:12] Hey. Good. Okay.
[2:49:14] So, just to give you guys a a quick thought process.
[2:49:19] This is the biggest county population Y in the state.
[2:49:23] We serve the two biggest cities in the state.
[2:49:27] Manchester and Nashua.
[2:49:28] So when this jail comes to town, it will be serving
[2:49:32] Hillsborough County, Nashua residents
[2:49:35] courts in Manchester, Goffstown, all the way over to Peterborough.
[2:49:39] And speaking with my colleague over Manchester
[2:49:43] in the last six years there, PD
[2:49:45] wise, it's very minimal.
[2:49:48] A lot of their, calls are
[2:49:53] serving paperwork or warrant services.
[2:49:56] I talked to the sheriff, and we have kind of a
[2:50:02] conversation that
[2:50:02] we have to go into a deeper conversation
[2:50:04] about whether or not the sheriff is going to be dealing
[2:50:06] with those type of situations, or if it's going to be Goffstown police.
[2:50:08] But Manchester PD has,
[2:50:10] law enforcement capacity really has been minimal over there.
[2:50:14] Sheriffs typically are catching the diffusion of justice.
[2:50:18] Any service of warrants, but they habits are more domestic violence petitions.
[2:50:23] One thing that I will note, though,
[2:50:26] one thing that didn't tie in to the calls that I asked for,
[2:50:29] you know, where the county jail particularly sits in the city,
[2:50:34] there is a lot of, calls of service in that area to begin with.
[2:50:38] So, you know, when people are released and things are moving
[2:50:43] and people are coming and going, there's no telling where those calls of actually,
[2:50:47] if they originate from the jail or if they originate from the street,
[2:50:50] because the people that have been released from that jail.
[2:50:53] And, you know, I'm not saying that everybody is released from
[2:50:56] jail is a bad human being.
[2:50:57] But, you know, there are some problems that come out of there.
[2:50:59] One thing, you know, where it is right now, if it's in our town
[2:51:05] and it's on the side of 114, you know, the question becomes,
[2:51:08] and I've had it in very beginning, is similar to what they do in their
[2:51:12] county is like it's in the middle of nowhere.
[2:51:14] So where do when they release people from, we'll just say hi, pathetic or drunk
[2:51:19] tank for the weekend
[2:51:20] because they've been, you know, taking up custody due to alcohol, drugs.
[2:51:24] Where do they go on Monday?
[2:51:26] Okay.
[2:51:26] But do they just get dropped off the people come pick them up.
[2:51:29] I'm not really sure.
[2:51:30] I don't work at the jail.
[2:51:31] There's no bus station or anything.
[2:51:32] So, my colleague told me that they,
[2:51:36] you know, there are some different things they do in the city
[2:51:38] where people come get them or they just get released to the city.
[2:51:40] They kind of find their way back to where their home is.
[2:51:45] So that's kind of where we're at PD wise.
[2:51:49] We have had the prison here for many years.
[2:51:52] That did not impact us per se, because doc had their own,
[2:51:56] investigative teams.
[2:51:59] When it came to our call for service for the prison,
[2:52:02] it was really based on visitors bringing contraband into the prison, where
[2:52:07] if they were bringing something in there, we would go in there and arrest them,
[2:52:10] bring them in, book in and go from there.
[2:52:12] If there was ever any, emergency in the prison,
[2:52:17] which I'm assuming is the same thing with the with the county.
[2:52:20] We would not be the first people in that jail.
[2:52:23] It'd be their their, their actual team that goes in there and deals riots
[2:52:26] and stuff like that. State police would always deal with that.
[2:52:29] Our biggest things we had the prison were people
[2:52:31] showing up to the fence, throwing things over the fence.
[2:52:34] We would go over there and, you know, and investigate.
[2:52:36] What were they throwing over the fence?
[2:52:37] If there was a fence, we'd arrest them.
[2:52:40] But then again, that was a, facility that help people for many years.
[2:52:45] It wasn't a, you know, pre, you know, pre, pretrial.
[2:52:50] Thank you.
[2:52:51] Confinement where they can stay up there that year.
[2:52:54] But other than that there, there's a lot of people coming
[2:52:56] in, going out of county jail.
[2:52:58] So you guys never
[2:52:59] would be called in chief for like, back up for the if the county jail was here,
[2:53:03] I would say it this just based on what my colleagues say.
[2:53:06] If there was a big issue, they would call us. We'd be there.
[2:53:09] I know would be considering the sheriff's headquarters right there.
[2:53:12] There's you know, they have, an abundance of sheriffs too, that work in the county.
[2:53:15] There we go and respond.
[2:53:17] But, obviously we're, we're close to.
[2:53:19] So we would go to back them up or if we were the first
[2:53:21] to be there, that's how it moved the sheriff.
[2:53:23] And I've had a kind of a non-formal conversation of like,
[2:53:25] how does this work out? Like, do you guys handle this?
[2:53:27] Are we going to end up handling this?
[2:53:29] And he was kind of saying that right now they handle some of the stuff
[2:53:31] for Manchester PD.
[2:53:33] Their deputies deal with that stuff.
[2:53:36] They have their own investigative team inside.
[2:53:38] So if there's drug users there's, there's there's gang violence.
[2:53:40] It's all dealt with internally.
[2:53:42] It's the stuff that happens around the outside of the jail is kind of,
[2:53:45] you know, more of like it's in Goffstown, so it's our jurisdiction.
[2:53:49] But Manchester PD, they don't have a huge amount of calls.
[2:53:52] They're
[2:53:54] so they
[2:53:54] show from this specific facility itself.
[2:53:58] You know Manchester PD is like right up the road to.
[2:54:01] Right.
[2:54:01] So the exterior of a is a little bit of a different question of like what is that.
[2:54:05] How do they determine those calls
[2:54:06] or generate or originate from the jail to the next location.
[2:54:10] So yeah.
[2:54:12] So the whole back side of that where they're proposing is all neighborhoods.
[2:54:15] Yep. And the county nursing home. Right.
[2:54:18] But I will say, and for the historians in this community, there was a county jail
[2:54:22] in this town for many years, I would say probably a long time ago.
[2:54:26] But, you know, it's always there was one for years and years and years ago
[2:54:30] predates me.
[2:54:32] Why don't they want to put the jail back on their property?
[2:54:35] Well, they it is is one of the options.
[2:54:38] It's it is one of the options I think the property up here
[2:54:42] where, where the old jail, the women's prison was.
[2:54:45] Why can't they put it there?
[2:54:46] Because that's what he's asking.
[2:54:47] I, I think that's the commission's decision.
[2:54:50] I think I think, you know, I don't know that question.
[2:54:52] I, I think it's their county land where they're pointing it at.
[2:54:55] You know, I think if you want to ask me on the side of a pro, it'd be something
[2:54:59] to be for us to to engage them to see if that's something
[2:55:02] that they're going to open it up.
[2:55:04] Does the Pete, does a new police department
[2:55:05] have the ability to kind of work its way through that area as well?
[2:55:09] I don't know, I think that's a good thought process too.
[2:55:12] I think they're headed down that path. It would make sense. Chief.
[2:55:17] I do think that there's some tax burden that obviously goes along to
[2:55:20] they seem to be tearing stuff down and building left and right.
[2:55:24] I think that's another discussion.
[2:55:26] Yeah.
[2:55:28] But, Mark, just my speculation on your question,
[2:55:31] I would imagine that that corner lot is a very valuable,
[2:55:35] you know, long term business or commercial development.
[2:55:38] I think it probably profit if they, if it were a sell it.
[2:55:42] Yeah.
[2:55:42] Probably it won't sell us though. But.
[2:55:46] Oh sorry. I'll bring it up.
[2:55:48] I don't even care if they tell it privately.
[2:55:50] At least we'd get a business revenue and taxes from the business.
[2:55:53] That would be fantastic.
[2:55:54] Probably something they could sell.
[2:55:55] Any of it would be fantastic.
[2:55:58] So we could get some tax dollars in. Yeah.
[2:56:01] I mean, how many, how many acres does the Hillsborough County own?
[2:56:05] About 6789. 700.
[2:56:09] No, no. Yeah.
[2:56:10] I mean I'm quite a bit of things that cannot be developed
[2:56:15] that raise revenue for us.
[2:56:16] Yeah, that would be nice.
[2:56:17] Do we get a discount on our county taxes then
[2:56:21] in Goffstown? No.
[2:56:24] Wow. Okay.
[2:56:25] Okay.
[2:56:25] The same as any other non host community.
[2:56:29] Interesting.
[2:56:30] What about, fire.
[2:56:31] Yeah. You know let's get to that one.
[2:56:33] It doesn't sound as bad on the, the police, you know.
[2:56:37] So again, stats
[2:56:42] I take a lot of pride in,
[2:56:45] this was a little bit more difficult because, like the chief was talking about
[2:56:49] is we have such a difference in the counties,
[2:56:53] with Hillsborough County having Nashua and Manchester,
[2:56:56] the populations are completely different than the rest of the state.
[2:57:00] Also, the problem that they deal with,
[2:57:03] so luckily, I've got it a fair amount of experience
[2:57:08] with estimating call volume increases due to,
[2:57:11] new facilities going in, specifically in the nursing home realm.
[2:57:15] In Bedford,
[2:57:17] so used those and
[2:57:21] math points.
[2:57:22] I spoke with all fire and EMS agencies
[2:57:25] that cover all counties in the state.
[2:57:29] And I even did a walkthrough of the new facility, up in Merrimack County,
[2:57:34] along with the EMS chief up there.
[2:57:38] So on the lower end of estimates, and I'll talk about a couple concerns
[2:57:44] that I have that why I can validate this is that way on the lower end,
[2:57:49] based on data provided by the fire EMS agencies who cover the ten county jails
[2:57:53] in the state, we anticipate a call volume of 0.08, call
[2:57:57] for fire calls per bid, and 0.69
[2:58:01] calls per bed for the proposed 485 bed facility.
[2:58:05] We anticipate the annual call volume of 39 fire calls and 335 EMS calls.
[2:58:10] See the number well as total 39 fire.
[2:58:14] Yeah, 335 EMS.
[2:58:19] And what does that come out to cost wise?
[2:58:22] Cost wise? Yeah.
[2:58:24] So you figure I think our estimates right now is about 1100
[2:58:28] per on.
[2:58:31] What's our current call?
[2:58:34] And, so.
[2:58:40] I have that further.
[2:58:42] So so the other piece that's a little hard is the Community Corrections Center.
[2:58:48] There's not a lot of great data because Merrimack is the first one to do that.
[2:58:52] However, I was actually pretty impressed with that, that portion of the jail
[2:58:56] when I did the walk through there, that, from talking
[2:59:00] with, Boscawen Fire and Penicuik Rescue,
[2:59:05] that facility actually has very, very low impact comparatively.
[2:59:09] So those are .04 and point one for EMS.
[2:59:13] So anyway, so we're looking for a total about
[2:59:19] fire call volume, increasing our total by about 6%.
[2:59:22] And you must call volume increasing by 14%.
[2:59:26] So significant do we just have to either
[2:59:28] the taxpayers of Goffstown pay for our fire department to respond
[2:59:33] to all those calls, and we're just paying for they have to pay for a call.
[2:59:36] So any EMS call would we do would be able to seek reimbursement.
[2:59:41] However, it's
[2:59:41] likely going to be at, a Medicare rate and it's going to be significant.
[2:59:45] So that gets us into a very similar to what the chief is talking about,
[2:59:51] is the agreements that are put in place at the time of the building.
[2:59:55] So, do we put something in that we can bill
[2:59:59] the county for the transport
[3:00:02] instead of going after the individual for payment?
[3:00:06] Not a lot of these people have medical insurance,
[3:00:10] so we're not going to get a dime following that.
[3:00:12] Yeah, yeah.
[3:00:13] And one of the other things that has recently changed
[3:00:17] has me made my statistical analysis extremely difficult
[3:00:21] is all the counties in, in the state have recently changed over
[3:00:24] from a county based,
[3:00:28] employee per medical to a private company.
[3:00:34] Since change
[3:00:34] in that just happened last year, since changing the, both
[3:00:39] Merrimack and Hillsboro have seen more
[3:00:42] than a 30% increase in medical call volume when they changed over
[3:00:46] from their own employees to a third party medical provider.
[3:00:52] So liability wise, they're shipping more out.
[3:00:55] Additional concerns are,
[3:01:01] and like the chief was talking about
[3:01:02] is you have temporary hold
[3:01:05] instead of sending people out.
[3:01:08] So instead of sending correctional officers out,
[3:01:12] for these people to go be seen in the emergency department,
[3:01:15] they just release them because they're going to release them in 12 hours anyway.
[3:01:19] So they don't send correctional officers in the ambulance,
[3:01:23] as you'll, as Derek pointed out, is
[3:01:26] this facility is made to run with less personnel.
[3:01:30] So that's going to happen more.
[3:01:33] One of the other impacts that I'm really concerned about
[3:01:36] is the toll, on our personnel,
[3:01:40] specifically our female employees or, the stuff that they deal
[3:01:45] with going into these facilities is
[3:01:49] absolutely horrendous.
[3:01:52] Verbally as well as, physical during transports
[3:01:55] and when the correctional officers are not there during transports,
[3:01:59] obviously, that's something our personnel, our impacted by.
[3:02:03] So with them reducing their staffing,
[3:02:07] the less likely our personnel are going to be covered by a correctional officer,
[3:02:11] which then means I'm not going to leave that person alone
[3:02:14] with one of these people.
[3:02:16] So that means I'm taking the engine out of service
[3:02:18] so I can have somebody else on the.
[3:02:21] Which obviously means
[3:02:23] they're not able to go to on a call.
[3:02:27] So and because we're not going to tie up these guys to, to do it.
[3:02:31] But I will point out, that corruption, we had that
[3:02:35] a couple times with the prison where they didn't
[3:02:38] feel comfortable,
[3:02:39] you know, when doc could not release people, their, their, their guards.
[3:02:42] And there there were several times that I can't, don't numbers.
[3:02:45] But I remember specifically we had to like escort the ambulance over to CMC,
[3:02:50] because they don't have enough staff to cover their own, you know, people,
[3:02:54] they're prisoners.
[3:02:54] Again, those were permanent prisoners in the hospital.
[3:02:58] Right.
[3:02:58] So, I don't know what it's going to look like when you have, like,
[3:03:03] more inmates that are so one of the other turning up in here
[3:03:07] procedurally that, we're concerned about is Hillsborough County.
[3:03:12] Valley Street Jail currently.
[3:03:14] They actually transport a lot of the,
[3:03:18] inmates over to the hospital
[3:03:21] because it's so close in their vans
[3:03:24] for pay for medical bills.
[3:03:27] So for psych evals and things
[3:03:30] for minor, smaller.
[3:03:32] Yes. Psych evals,
[3:03:33] Some minor medical complaints, that type stuff, they'll actually take them
[3:03:36] in one of the corrections vans instead of calling an ambulance to reduce the load.
[3:03:41] But it's really close.
[3:03:43] Yeah.
[3:03:44] And also with the staffing model
[3:03:48] being smaller, I'm seeing the impact there.
[3:03:51] Merrimack County, when I was there, and this
[3:03:55] they were Merrimack County was absolutely phenomenal.
[3:03:58] I thank you very much for all the information.
[3:04:00] The captain I walk around with actually came from Valley Street.
[3:04:04] So and he was actually on the committee for what
[3:04:07] we're talking about tonight, before coming over to Merrimack.
[3:04:11] So that was extremely helpful as well as he's also a volunteer firefighter.
[3:04:15] So he knew some of that stuff, too.
[3:04:17] He's a very, very valuable resource.
[3:04:20] One of the other things is that the town of Boscawen is
[3:04:23] very concerned about is having people that are released walk down roads.
[3:04:28] So what they
[3:04:29] do is they, give courtesy rides.
[3:04:32] Corrections officer gives courtesy rides to the Franklin town line,
[3:04:36] or the market basket, exit something like that.
[3:04:41] Down there,
[3:04:43] again, with personnel decreasing.
[3:04:48] I'm worried about that.
[3:04:50] I mean, that they're not going to be given a courtesy, right?
[3:04:53] Yeah, that's right near Saint Anne's.
[3:04:54] And you also have residential right there, right.
[3:04:57] How's market basket field off those drop offs?
[3:05:01] I don't think I'd be thrilled if there's a business.
[3:05:05] That that that relates to us. But.
[3:05:06] So there's a lot to answer questions.
[3:05:08] So we could just so Bedford Market basket I feel very confident
[3:05:12] about the call volume increase it's going to have on us for with fire and EMS.
[3:05:17] And I'm saying that's on the low end.
[3:05:22] And their their procedures will significantly change.
[3:05:25] It can change I think at this point we should put our concerns in a letter
[3:05:30] and send them to our reps.
[3:05:32] I think it'd be good to send it to the county commissioners as well as our reps.
[3:05:36] I could draft something up and provide that to you at the next meeting
[3:05:40] of what some of the concerns are or some of the questions.
[3:05:43] And if the county is going to move in this direction,
[3:05:47] how the town should be involved in,
[3:05:51] some of these discussions, you need a motion for that there.
[3:05:54] No, I can do that.
[3:05:55] Now. Put a draft in your in the packet.
[3:05:58] Okay.
[3:05:59] Great. Good.
[3:06:00] I think that's that's probably all we can do right now.
[3:06:05] Well we'll have next year.
[3:06:07] Oh no.
[3:06:08] This is this they estimated would be a $285 million project
[3:06:12] with the 5% annual increase.
[3:06:15] So, you know, this is a very big project, and then they have to
[3:06:20] I don't know what their bonding process is.
[3:06:23] I assume it involves their delegation. So,
[3:06:27] yeah.
[3:06:30] Chair I to fill up.
[3:06:32] Okay.
[3:06:33] Just give it five years in between each one.
[3:06:34] The worst.
[3:06:36] Chief, I'd like to read your mind sometimes with those faces.
[3:06:39] I know it sounds like we're two to.
[3:06:42] I like to make up your own story.
[3:06:45] Entertains me.
[3:06:46] Yeah, I just, you know, I, I have my
[3:06:49] I have the professional side of me as a as a chief of police in our community.
[3:06:53] And I have my own personal feelings as a resident as well.
[3:06:55] So I have to sometimes when you see that it's my residents, I can't speak.
[3:07:00] We all have those two.
[3:07:02] Yeah,
[3:07:03] I know I do, and I'm holding it back right now.
[3:07:06] I do think that, Derek, as
[3:07:11] as the inputs from both chiefs and concerns that we may have
[3:07:14] from the operational side, I do think that there's aspects of residential
[3:07:18] that are important to kind of way into that as well.
[3:07:21] You know, I know that we have a women's state prison here before.
[3:07:25] I believe this would also be not only female, it also be male on both sides.
[3:07:30] Yes. So, you know, and given the fact that we have,
[3:07:35] you know, one of our largest taxpayers right near there,
[3:07:39] and the impact of the students there really bothers me in some way, shape
[3:07:42] or form that it's going to be rolling in and out of there, as well as the resident
[3:07:46] side, who I think that that's one concern that we should have.
[3:07:50] And the transport.
[3:07:51] So like, we should be very clear as part of the concerns as part of that too.
[3:07:53] There.
[3:07:58] Okay.
[3:07:59] Thank you once again.
[3:08:01] Once.
[3:08:04] Okay.
[3:08:04] I think we're up to that night.
[3:08:05] See the action matrix.
[3:08:10] Thank you Chiefs by the way.
[3:08:11] Yeah.
[3:08:12] Thank you.
[3:08:22] New team.
[3:08:27] Yeah.
[3:08:28] So the Donovan spring repair for the vehicle.
[3:08:32] So I think that was it was that in this batch of invoices?
[3:08:35] It was,
[3:08:37] it was a few thousand dollars.
[3:08:39] Is that the only thing wrong with that fire engine
[3:08:42] is this, isn't it wasn't.
[3:08:44] That was the spring issue.
[3:08:45] I saw
[3:08:47] was another, system that has to go to multiple places.
[3:08:50] Okay, so it's more than just a spring.
[3:08:54] That's the first step.
[3:08:55] Okay. Awesome.
[3:08:59] And and have been under warranty.
[3:09:01] You know,
[3:09:02] the fuel for that?
[3:09:05] Okay.
[3:09:07] Sounds great.
[3:09:09] Okay.
[3:09:10] Last thing is, open it up for public comment again.
[3:09:16] You guys want to comment?
[3:09:17] No. You don't want to. Okay. Okay.
[3:09:20] One question though, specifically on the old business
[3:09:24] we had asked for, and Adam was out,
[3:09:28] right.
[3:09:29] We asked for him to
[3:09:32] provide guidance and engineering on the lights over here.
[3:09:36] Yeah.
[3:09:36] So, Adam, Adam, I think we're going to shoot for the next meeting.
[3:09:39] On that.
[3:09:40] Okay.
[3:09:40] Me talk to you, and I provided you all the background information,
[3:09:45] but we're supposed to gather some some data on that for us.
[3:09:50] Okay. Thank you.
[3:09:52] For the record, you know, one chair for public comment.
[3:09:56] So close public comment and,
[3:09:58] entertain a motion.
[3:10:02] Yeah.
[3:10:03] So I have a nonpublic request.
[3:10:04] One would be for, a is employee compensation.
[3:10:09] And, second is l considering, legal advice,
[3:10:15] I'll make a motion that we enter nonpublic session or RSA
[3:10:18] 91, a column three, section two under items A and L.
[3:10:24] Second
[3:10:25] motion by Richard second and the judge in favor.
[3:10:29] I present a it's a roll call. Yes.
[3:10:32] Yes, sir. Yes yes yes yes.
[3:10:35] Okay. Oh.