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Okay. Goffstown.

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Welcome to the Goffstown Select Board.

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Regular meeting for Monday, October 5th, 2026.

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And join me with for the pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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And to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay.

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We need a roll call or anything.

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Nope. Okay.

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Thank you very.

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Okay.

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Acceptance and correction of minutes of,

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September 28th, 2026.

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I'll make a motion.

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We accept the minutes of 928, 2026,

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public and nonpublic minutes with corrections, if need be.

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Second.

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Okay. Motion by Mark. Second by Allison.

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Any questions? Comments?

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Okay. All in favor?

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I call all ayes.

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Have it.

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Announcements.

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I have one,

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trick or treating is currently scheduled

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for Saturday, October 31st, from 6 to 8 p.m.

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in Goffstown.

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Residents that trick or treat should be careful as you walk about.

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Neighborhoods stay on sidewalks were available as crosswalks.

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Watch for motorists.

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Thumbs down. Heads up.

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Be aware of your surroundings.

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Motorists should keep an eye out for residents trick or treating.

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Okay, any other videos containing an.

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Yeah.

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Open the meeting for public comment.

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Anyone hear from public comment?

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And not seeing or hearing

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or anyone to close public comment

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and invite the police chief.

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Good evening everyone.

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I always say to guests on what's going this

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this time around.

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Okay.

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Invite

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which one week to the.

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And so then trail Park road and no claim.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So, highway safety met September 16th.

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The first

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one we took up was the intersection of Westfield Park, Road by Oak Lane.

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This has been in front of us a couple times.

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Couple of different issues with line of sight issues.

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The curb, there's a little bit.

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You know, when you're coming

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up, wind chill, Wentzville Park, turn right towards Mass Road.

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There's some, a person's property

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has some pretty significant,

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I guess it's foliage.

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It's it's vegetation that's kind of growing.

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Can't really cut it back.

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It's their property.

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So we've been working with, DPW to figure out a way that we can kind of

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make this a little bit more of a line of sight.

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Correction, we put some some road markings down.

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A couple years ago to kind of give people

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a little bit more of an idea of the curve Evansville Park.

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This time around, a resident came in, was concerned about the intersection again.

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This particular resident lives right at the intersection.

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Watches, kind of. The cars come around the corner.

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One of the things that came up this time around was,

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we're seeing children walking to the bus stop from Westfield

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Park, walking up and turning right and going into, by mass Road.

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So one of the things that we thought would slow down traffic on top of,

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this whole situation was creating a three way stop sign.

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By actually putting a stop sign on the top half of Ridgefield Park Road.

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So when they come off of Mass Road, and instead of just

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cutting that corner really fast and another car

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not seeing them now, it's going to be a stop completely.

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So they have to stop. Look both ways.

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This car has to stop

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and cars in the dead in Oak hopefully would have to stop as well.

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We felt as highway safety that would be, good for the neighborhood, would be good

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for the children walking that cars would be cutting the corners too.

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You know, inside the yellow line

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or this one coming around that corner and this one pushing them off the road.

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DPW is going to work with, the homeowner again

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and see if they can

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maybe work with them to cut back some of the vegetation, but offer

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that some neighbors were offering, maybe putting up some smaller vegetation

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to help them kind of make it look nice, but not be overgrown into the street.

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So that's something that they were going to work on.

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So basically our committee, based out of all that

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recommended five oh to have a three way stop sign put there.

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So that's what came out of that.

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We have the authority to cut people's

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if they walk in a side, a stop sign.

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We see that we typically will cut back

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signs that are blocking any stop signs, speed limit signs.

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But this particular one, it's not blocking any signage.

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It's just kind of overgrown.

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So as you're approaching the curve, you just can't see

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the other side of that curve because it's overgrown.

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So now with kids walking with no sidewalk and they're walking on the street,

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plus cars are coming in.

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That's where it's kind of.

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And, you know, we talked to them in the past.

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Hey, can you cut some of your vegetation back?

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And it it really didn't want to do that right now.

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So we think the three way

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or at least get all the cars stopped, look around before they take out. So.

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But yeah we have done that in the past

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where you'll see like a 35 mile an hour sign.

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You can't see it.

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So we'll cut it back just to kind of a motion on each one of these.

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Well, I, I did send the chair a note about this.

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Previously when you did a stop sign, you did it as an ordinance.

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Back in January, we advised the board that, traffic

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regulations do not require public hearing an ordinance.

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So I guess I would leave it up to the board.

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If you want to put in

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any of these recommended actions to the board, want to hold public hearings

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on any of them, or do you want to take the action tonight?

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So you're saying one public hearing?

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No. You say we don't know. I don't have to.

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You don't have to.

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We could you could you can hold the public hearing for any action.

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You may on items number five and number six.

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I think those are a little bit,

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more significant, but, you know.

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So the request for number one and sheet

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that come from residents there on the street. Yep.

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Let's say we'll get it done tonight.

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And it's been in context.

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We've had this not the three way but we've had problems on.

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Let's show where they've been coming to us. Speed.

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Other things of that nature. We did some speed studies here.

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We didn't find speed to be a problem.

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That's why we're thinking the three will be good.

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So we can just make a motion to approve this. Yep.

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I make a motion to approve.

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We have the amended traffic regulations at three way stop sign

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at the intersection of Litchfield Park Road and outfit Oakley.

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Second. Motion by George, seconded by Mark.

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Further discussion.

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All in favor? Aye. Opposed. All right.

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Now it.

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Stays on there.

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Sage Court and Cinnamon drive. Perfect.

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That's what I got.

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This one comes to us from two residents in the area of the spice rack.

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We call it, essentially, they're looking for a stop sign,

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at the intersection of Sage Court and or.

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I'm sorry, cinnamon into sage.

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Based on highway safety, we didn't really talk too much about it,

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because just about every intersection in that neighborhood has a stop sign

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except for that one.

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One of our thoughts, though, is because Acorn

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Drive is going to now run the extension into Sage Court,

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which most likely will bring more traffic volume in this Sage core.

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And then Sage to Cinnamon brings you to black Brook.

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So it's probably going to be a little bit of a more of, through fair,

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I guess you could say.

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So these two people live in on sage and sit right across from their concert

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with their kids.

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So we just said, yeah, we should put a stop sign there.

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Quite honestly, we talked to the, to Joanne and just

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we were trying to figure out

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that we're supposed to be part of the plan

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of the entire neighbor when they built it, but we couldn't find anything

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but every other intersection, for the most part, has one,

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so it makes sense to have it there. Okay.

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Make a motion to amend the traffic regulations and stop sign

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at the intersection of Sage Court and Cinnamon Drive.

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So I get motion by Da second by Mark.

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Can I just ask clarifying question.

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Is this on Cinnamon Drive going on the sage for.

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I just wanted to make sure when we come out of it.

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Okay. Any further discussion?

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Favor?

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I hope I have it.

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The next one we have is, Snick Road.

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A request for speed limit signs.

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So we took this in, we had a couple.

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Want a couple of them on snuck,

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but essentially,

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the resident on snuff was concerned

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that there was, significant speed on snuck.

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We said our radar, our our traffic survey radar

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out there, for a couple of days, if not a week.

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Did not see, we saw one car, which is an anomaly.

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I think one of them was doing about 50 to 70 is the category.

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All of them were just about 30 to 35, which is what the speed limit is.

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I think we tracked

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I think it's in your, in your packet, but we tried a couple of hundred cars

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and with those anomalies, you can never tell which is someone

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that saw the sign decide to speed up on it or not.

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But, essentially highway safety looked at all the data.

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They didn't think there's any excessive, speed there.

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So they took five zero,

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recommendation for no action on the speed, limit out there.

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Could you do a motion to take no action?

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Yeah, typically the board actually does do that. Yep.

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I'll make a motion that the, no action being,

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taken for the Snook Road.

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Request for the speed limit sign.

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Second motion by Mark, second by Allison.

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Any further discussion?

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All in favor?

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I oppose. All right, have it.

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And the next one was stick Road for, driveway line.

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Driveway.

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So the next one was a second resident on Snow Broad, who I'm not sure if they knew

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the first resident had to ask for speed, but this resident lives down the road

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from the first one.

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Lives kind of on a curve.

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He was looking for a blind driveway sign and thought

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that, there was a speed issue.

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We looked at the data. Obviously, we had the data.

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There was not a speed issue.

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We looked at the his road and where his driveway was in relation to the curve.

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He had some significant,

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distance

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from the curve to where his driveway came out.

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One thing that we noted is that it appears

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there's some overgrowth in on his property on the curve.

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And,

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Adam was thinking that maybe speaking to him

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about potentially cutting back some of that overgrowth to give him

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a little bit more of a line of sight on the other side of that curve.

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But we've had other ones in, in our highway safety

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that were a little bit closer.

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That could probably justify a buying sign, but this one,

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there's a spread between the curve to where his driveway is.

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So highway safety took a final vote to recommend.

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No action on that one as well.

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So really what's happening is the vegetation is causing an issue for me.

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Make it one. Okay.

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When you come out of his driveway, he you can see left, but there's a curve.

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So as the cars are coming around that curve,

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if they're going 35, 40 miles an hour, it looks like it's fast.

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He feels like there needs to be a sign and other signs is blind driveway.

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It's not necessarily blind because you can see you as you curve.

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You can see the driveway.

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I think his issue is as he's pulling out, he's concerned with

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if a car's coming too fast, he's got to kind of step on it. Yeah.

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So there is some vegetation overgrowth at in that curb that he could cut back,

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that potentially give him a line of sight issue

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or more line a side, I guess you could say.

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Okay, I'll make a motion that we do

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no action on the blind driveway sign

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on Schnook Road.

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Second. Motion by Mark.

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Second by Josh.

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Any further discussion?

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All in favor? I closed.

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I just have it.

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Next one is Union Street.

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Yeah, I, I think we ought to, have a public hearing on the last two and a

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if we decide to do that, I don't think we should make the chief go through that.

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Do you want to present at least. What?

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I guess it's up to you, but we we can presented at that public hearing.

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Can you do that?

268
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Yeah, it's it's really your.

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I don't know, did you get the board members

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to give us significant or sufficient information?

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We do have the traffic reports are in your office,

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but I don't know if you want to ask the chief any questions. Is here.

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Otherwise we could scheduled for public.

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I'd love to hear the chief's input on it.

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That's okay.

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Yeah.

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So this one, the presentation here is, essentially East Union Street.

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And, for those of you who don't know, East Union's

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right over here by Saint Warren's church.

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For years,

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it's been an issue when we have masks there.

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Or if we have pumpkin regatta or big events in town, people

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park on both sides of this industry.

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We had a situation where our officers, I mean, we see this public.

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We're starting

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to realize more and more cars are parking on both sides of East Union Street,

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which is really causing significant issue for vehicles to go down East Union.

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Particularly this came from my department.

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Our sergeants were had a call.

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They were a little bit concerned with

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their down there and they couldn't get through.

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And then the concern also is as you're going down there

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and another car is coming at you, there's no real place

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in someone's driveway to pull over in that cars go through.

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I did

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not ask the fire chief to put a truck down there to see what that would do.

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I mean, our our police cars were pretty tight as it was.

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This has been an ongoing issue, I guess you could say in the community

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whether or not anybody wanted to kind of say it was happening.

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I think we all know it's from the church.

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I think that's, you know, something that we can work with the church.

302
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Joanne was nice enough to go speak to the father.

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He's new, he's recognizing there's an issue there.

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They're working in the church to figure out some other relief on the,

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the parking situation.

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I, as you can tell,

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this is, the committee had a vote of 311.

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And I will tell you, in the six years I've been the police chief

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and I received the.

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This is the first time we've ever had any kind of vote that wasn't in agreement.

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You know, the big thing I would like to just express upon the board here is,

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the residents are concerned about coming in and out of their driveways

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on Sundays, Saturday nights when these bigger events are going on.

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We are concerned.

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I think police wise, we are finding our way through there.

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I think the bigger concern is if we have to get a bigger apparatus through there.

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You know what happens.

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This is obviously a situation that we would like to work

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with the church and the community to figure out the best results.

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Highway safety took this up.

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They they came up with some ideas of parking on one side of the road.

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Basically, you know, letting

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one side be able to travel, you know, at least try to get cars through there.

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For the length of the road, there is no parking up

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on, the hill by French rising already on one side.

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So that's already a one side only.

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And I think that was partially from the, the, the funeral home as well.

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So highway safety was looking at,

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voted in three, one one to basically have the odd street,

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the odd side of East Union Street being no parking, for the full length.

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And then obviously there's a little section on the curb.

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A prospect deck takes a right.

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You start heading towards, the bus, station not having parking there

334
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between signs because obviously there's cars parked there.

335
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You turn right, you're going to be you're going to be riding into a car.

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So that was what we came up with.

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There is some thought processes that were just

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pushing the problem further out into the community.

339
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I think what you'll see long term is if we do do this,

340
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you're going to push cars to West Union Street, which is across Main Street.

341
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We already have issues there during, spring

342
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when there's baseball for high school soccer down there, field hockey,

343
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neighbors complain all the time

344
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because there's parking on both sides of that string as well.

345
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It is it is getting tight down there, too, I think.

346
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So what you're going to see

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is this you and your West unit, eventually you're going to become kind of a bigger

348
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problem down the road when it comes to parking on both sides of the street.

349
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There might be some changes with Lions Field down the road.

350
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I'm not sure, but this this right here.

351
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You know, we like to put this in motion.

352
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Obviously, we have a public hearing and see what the public thinks.

353
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I think it's just the start of having a conversation with the church.

354
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And the community to kind of say, what can we do to get traffic

355
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that can flow through there properly?

356
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So that's kind of the gist of of it.

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There's, there's, you know, we didn't do like a traffic

358
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count of how many cars were there, but we did see how many different,

359
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you know, Saturday night, Sunday,

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there was a couple different,

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you know, church events, obviously.

362
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Pumpkin guys, a big one when they people park over there as well.

363
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So that's kind of where we're at for highway safety

364
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in your packet.

365
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There's pictures of comment as well. Yeah.

366
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So those are in, there in the, in your office.

367
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Does anybody think have any thoughts on public hearing.

368
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I'm I that's good. Yeah.

369
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Yeah yeah I think so.

370
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I was just getting stuff done, but I'm okay.

371
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Okay. Chief, can I just do one question? Sure.

372
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Do you have any understanding of the one person who voted against it?

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The 311?

374
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Yeah. Okay.

375
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I'm sorry.

376
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Don't be sorry.

377
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I'm just curious as to why you don't think it's a good idea.

378
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Is it just because it's going to push the problem elsewhere?

379
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Or what were you thinking exactly then the chief said it.

380
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The problem just kind of grow, and it's going to push the cars further away.

381
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Further away. And, you know,

382
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for what we do in.

383
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I think the main, main problem you're concerned about is an emergency situation.

384
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Right, right.

385
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And I'll say this and I, you know.

386
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As long as I've been here, the church has been here.

387
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They've always had cars on both sides of the street.

388
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It's been there.

389
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I just think it's that it seems like there's more and more cars

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parked on the street, the parking lots full.

391
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I guess it's a good thing for the church.

392
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They're they're busy.

393
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It's just at some point we have to figure out how.

394
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And again, we could pass this today at that go to a public hearing.

395
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I think we've already done some outreach with them.

396
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We don't we didn't want to blindside the church.

397
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It's about talking to them, figuring out how we can solve

398
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community problem together.

399
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And that's kind of yeah, this is the start. Yeah. I guess you could say

400
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that's why I think a public hearing is a good idea.

401
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Right. And a motion on that,

402
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I don't know if you want to wait until the very last item as well

403
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and see if you want to do a couple of public hearings.

404
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Sure.

405
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Of the next one, like the four way stop intersection of Wallace Road and Shirley

406
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Hill Road.

407
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Yes. So this one came up, new business from one of the members on the committee.

408
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There's been a few accidents

409
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in the area of Shirley Hill and Wallace Road.

410
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I call it Shirley Hill was the Bedford side

411
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because there's a Shirley Hill Wallace by Norman Road.

412
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This is down by the Bedford side.

413
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That kind of bigger intersection.

414
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We've seen, several accidents, in that area.

415
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For years this has been a conversation,

416
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a topic of conversation, of putting a four way there.

417
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We've had rumble strips on Wallace Road.

418
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We've had lights like solar power lights.

419
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I think since DPW pushed back

420
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some of that vegetation, really worked out some line of sight,

421
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particularly when you're

422
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coming from Goffstown and heading to Bedford a left.

423
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But when you're coming from Bedford and you, you can't actually see up

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the hill of the hill at all the, the, the woods there.

425
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So the concern, is that we've had some, some accidents,

426
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although lately not directly at that intersection,

427
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but there's been some speed issues coming to the intersection.

428
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The highway Safety Committee looked at it and thought

429
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that it's been a, a topic of conversation for a long time.

430
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And one of the biggest parts of why we didn't do a four way

431
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was because there's always a concern that as people are going up Shirley Hill,

432
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they would have to stop.

433
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And then if it's in the winter, they can't.

434
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They can't start.

435
00:21:00,867 --> 00:21:04,033
There was a conversation in highway safety about a lot of cars are

436
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all wheel drive now.

437
00:21:06,066 --> 00:21:09,233
There are from the drive there's probably not going to be an issue.

438
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One of the thoughts was it would slow people down.

439
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Definitely coming down the hill

440
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and stopping, because I think what you're seeing is cars coming down the hill

441
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as we see going through that intersection, probably too fast

442
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and then getting down towards John King,

443
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which is where we're having we've had some significant accidents down there.

444
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So highway safety

445
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had A50 vote to recommend to install

446
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for a stop sign on each side of it.

447
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So basically adding two more east side of, Shirley

448
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Hill.

449
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Part of that conversation was,

450
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there was a time that DPW had the two big stop signs

451
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that one of them had some LED lights that were on a saw that went blank.

452
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But that was very helpful.

453
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At night, as people were approaching, they could see it.

454
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So the idea was maybe having that on the other side to having a

455
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so when people come up,

456
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they can see or coming down the hill, they see a little bit of a flashing,

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lights.

458
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Obviously part of this is adding advanced stopping as well.

459
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So people coming down the hill would see on that curve

460
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and then coming up the hill would see as well.

461
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So that's, that's that presentation

462
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of questions.

463
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I agree that that intersection can get kind of hairy at times

464
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especially people find out that hill on that side.

465
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Yeah.

466
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There's there's been a few times like I've been on the motorcycle over there.

467
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You have to look really get out of there quick.

468
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It's a tough one.

469
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And I think that and the problem is, is

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you could probably get away with a three way.

471
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But I think the problem is most people get really confused

472
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at three way intersections.

473
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I mean, up in Dumbarton by the very top there are 77 and 13.

474
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That always was a three way,

475
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and they had so many accidents because of the confusion

476
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that they've just put a four way up there as well,

477
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similar to what we talked about with this body at Shirley Hill.

478
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And I'm not sorry to show you are seniors and, Rocklin,

479
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the city was going to put their three way.

480
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So we were like, we're going to add one, two because we're not going to.

481
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So I think if we're going to do it, really slowing it down, coming down

482
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the hill is good.

483
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But then you know, you having the the

484
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the traffic going up, just not stopping at all costs.

485
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More confusion.

486
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So that's no sounds like it could be an issue

487
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that is slipping through that intersection.

488
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I found that many times driving through there.

489
00:23:28,567 --> 00:23:29,567
No, he didn't need to stop.

490
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I think it how it would be so hard to stop sometimes. Yeah.

491
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And you know, we have data.

492
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I didn't go 20 years back.

493
00:23:36,867 --> 00:23:38,467
We went to it's three and three.

494
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And you know, we only had three access in the intersection.

495
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You know,

496
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we've had a couple pretty significant ones in the past that I remember personally.

497
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But, I can tell you we just had a really nasty one

498
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just on the other side between Addison and,

499
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Shirley in the Wallace area.

500
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I mean, this guy was flying down.

501
00:23:58,133 --> 00:24:03,567
Was he jumped over the curb there and spun around, hit a car, and almost rolled it.

502
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:06,700
But we've, you know, going into the stop sign. So,

503
00:24:07,834 --> 00:24:11,367
obviously Shirley Hills had significant issues with speed.

504
00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:16,200
Anyways, so you put, warning signs for the stop signs on both sides.

505
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,467
Shirley there. Yeah.

506
00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:20,200
So he probably had one.

507
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,400
If this was to go through, we'd have an up as you're coming down

508
00:24:23,533 --> 00:24:25,934
like on some of those corner of the shop or down the hill,

509
00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:28,100
or you would have one kind of up in there a little bit

510
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,467
just telling you, hey, there's a stop sign.

511
00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:33,300
And we would have, you know, we're trying to put two up there like

512
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,100
there are now, so you can see it on both sides.

513
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,367
One blinks red

514
00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:40,433
and then probably one coming up the hill down by like Eagle's Nest in that area.

515
00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:42,600
Stop ahead and then they blink as well. Yeah.

516
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,000
Because people kind of flying up and down the corner.

517
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,734
Yeah.

518
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:50,367
Coming up even with that hill that's now removed that people

519
00:24:50,367 --> 00:24:53,834
do fly up that hill and you kind of like try to go or not go in. But

520
00:24:55,133 --> 00:24:57,767
and I think that hill removal that they did years ago

521
00:24:57,767 --> 00:25:02,000
really gave us a better line of sight, you know, from, from that. So,

522
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:06,700
so how does everybody feel about a public hearing for that one?

523
00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:09,800
I think that one requires a public hearing for sure.

524
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,433
I think they mentioned it a pretty big can we do those both at the same day?

525
00:25:13,433 --> 00:25:16,367
Yeah, we'll do them both at your next meeting.

526
00:25:16,367 --> 00:25:19,400
You need a motion for that or not when I get okay.

527
00:25:20,734 --> 00:25:24,066
And I believe that if you have to have to.

528
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,266
All right. Thank you very much.

529
00:25:26,266 --> 00:25:28,767
Let's shift.

530
00:25:28,767 --> 00:25:30,667
And actually, we have the town administrator.

531
00:25:30,667 --> 00:25:32,600
Good point. Attempt by.

532
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:32,834
Yeah.

533
00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:36,200
You had a revised consent agenda on the table when you came in.

534
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,400
See, Steve, we'd had one item give employee

535
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,500
status reports of full time firefighter resignations,

536
00:25:43,033 --> 00:25:47,033
a full time dispatcher, new hire, and a full time mechanic assistant.

537
00:25:47,033 --> 00:25:50,000
This is a promotion from heavy equipment operator.

538
00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:52,233
You have the general election warrant.

539
00:25:52,233 --> 00:25:55,233
This is a requirement of RSA 658 colon one.

540
00:25:55,834 --> 00:25:57,133
You have event permits for.

541
00:25:57,133 --> 00:26:01,500
It takes a village child care Halloween event on October 24th.

542
00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:03,300
You have a canoe neck mountain.

543
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,400
There's snowmobile club.

544
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,066
There are mini bike car show and swap meet on October 24th.

545
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,233
You have Bartlett Halloween parade

546
00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:15,767
on October 30th and Granite State Health and Fitness.

547
00:26:15,767 --> 00:26:19,734
Glen like swim on August 15th, 2027.

548
00:26:20,634 --> 00:26:22,800
Make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.

549
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,300
Second motion by Josh, second by Allison.

550
00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:29,900
Any further comments now?

551
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,934
All in favor I posed I should have it.

552
00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:38,634
Okay, now we're to the budget

553
00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:41,567
and we're going to do the overview.

554
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:42,834
I'll do the overview quick.

555
00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:46,233
You had a memo on the table, when you came in.

556
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:50,333
Also over your, over the weekend, you had, the budget,

557
00:26:50,967 --> 00:26:54,333
summary by department and divisions and then all the budget detail,

558
00:26:55,367 --> 00:26:58,900
but, town department heads prepared

559
00:26:59,033 --> 00:27:01,967
the, proposed 2027 general fund

560
00:27:01,967 --> 00:27:05,767
operating budget using the direction provided by the Select Board.

561
00:27:05,834 --> 00:27:09,700
That was a 5% cut line for must hold, must have threshold

562
00:27:10,233 --> 00:27:14,767
with rent requests up to 7% for further discussion.

563
00:27:15,867 --> 00:27:19,333
You also asked us to break out operational and,

564
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,033
capital requests.

565
00:27:22,033 --> 00:27:23,533
So what we've done for capital is

566
00:27:23,533 --> 00:27:27,467
we have brought in the approved CIP matrix under CIP.

567
00:27:28,133 --> 00:27:33,567
The only change between the CIP matrix and what you see in CIP in the budget is,

568
00:27:33,567 --> 00:27:38,500
the DPW has moved their vehicles to a lease finance model as requested.

569
00:27:39,634 --> 00:27:40,900
In terms of personnel, you

570
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:45,200
have all the funded positions from the 2026, operating budget.

571
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,200
You have wage adjustments for voter

572
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,567
approved cbas for DPW, Teamsters and firefighters.

573
00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:54,567
Those are multiyear, collective bargaining agreements.

574
00:27:55,266 --> 00:28:00,266
We do have a placeholder for the two that we're currently in negotiations,

575
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:04,467
roughly $1 placeholder for those for nonunion wage adjustments.

576
00:28:04,467 --> 00:28:07,600
We have step advancements for eligible employees.

577
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:10,800
So, again, those are employees that are,

578
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,133
will be out of the probationary period and are not on Sep 12.

579
00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:18,467
And then, we budgeted those wage increases for January 1st.

580
00:28:18,767 --> 00:28:22,634
That is to coincide with legislation we've seen in the last two biennium,

581
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,700
where you cannot, put a mid-year

582
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,700
increase into the following year's default budget.

583
00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:32,767
There is no adjustment in the budget that you have

584
00:28:32,767 --> 00:28:35,266
before you for nonunion wage matrix.

585
00:28:35,266 --> 00:28:38,266
But we do have, for each

586
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:42,700
1% of nonunion matrix adjustment, it cost about $71,000.

587
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,400
So if the board does want to do a, matrix

588
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,266
adjustment for nonunion, that's kind of where you would see,

589
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,800
we have put

590
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,700
in a placeholder for the health and dental increases,

591
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,066
but we are going to be recalculating those at the end of this week.

592
00:29:00,367 --> 00:29:03,133
Health Trust will release those at the end of this week.

593
00:29:03,133 --> 00:29:06,533
So, between once we get our actual rates,

594
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,200
we'll apply those to what people are currently taking for rates.

595
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,834
And if we know if anybody's moving to a family or if anybody's jumping on,

596
00:29:16,266 --> 00:29:17,400
we'll make those adjustments.

597
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,367
So we are going to provide you revised health trust,

598
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,233
figures for your next meeting on the 19th.

599
00:29:25,634 --> 00:29:28,600
Again, not included are the,

600
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,900
cbas for patrol officers and dispatchers and clerks.

601
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,300
You just have a $1 placeholder, and department

602
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,066
heads will report on notable increases when they present their budgets.

603
00:29:39,834 --> 00:29:45,200
Overall, the operational portion of the budget is up, 3.7%.

604
00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:49,967
And that includes all the departments as well as debt service.

605
00:29:50,667 --> 00:29:53,667
CIP is up significantly.

606
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:57,934
But again, I think that's mostly reflects that, the capital projects have been,

607
00:29:58,467 --> 00:30:02,033
cut significantly in the last three budget cycles

608
00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:06,100
or they've been put out to separate worn article and funded from fund balance.

609
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:08,133
So they haven't lived in CIP.

610
00:30:09,867 --> 00:30:10,467
So they're at the

611
00:30:10,467 --> 00:30:13,634
apex is up 3.7 collectively across everything for our.

612
00:30:13,634 --> 00:30:14,567
Yes. Yep.

613
00:30:14,567 --> 00:30:17,567
And CapEx.

614
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,133
Is how much would that it's basically doubled.

615
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:23,734
It's 103%.

616
00:30:23,734 --> 00:30:28,567
So, what was in the CIP in the default budget was 1.3 million.

617
00:30:28,567 --> 00:30:31,567
Yeah. Right now you have 2.7 million.

618
00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:36,734
That came over from the CFD, the approved cap matrix.

619
00:30:36,734 --> 00:30:38,100
So 2.7 million.

620
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,700
And we were at one point, what, this year?

621
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,800
1.31.3.

622
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,533
Okay.

623
00:30:44,533 --> 00:30:47,200
And what's making up most of that?

624
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,300
So, Adam, we'll speak to it more when he presents,

625
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,667
but one of the biggest items is, reclamation.

626
00:30:54,667 --> 00:31:00,567
Again, the budget committee made a cut to road plan last year, and the

627
00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:04,767
board put forward a special article to put additional funds from fund balance.

628
00:31:04,767 --> 00:31:07,100
Adam has put that back into CIP.

629
00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:08,867
And then he

630
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:14,333
also has a critical, culvert, rehabilitation

631
00:31:14,333 --> 00:31:17,967
repair program that he's starting that he presented to CIP.

632
00:31:18,367 --> 00:31:22,300
And then, he's got the vehicle leasing program again.

633
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,367
We haven't purchased DPW vehicles.

634
00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:26,100
We didn't purchase any this year.

635
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,967
So he's got the leasing model.

636
00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:30,700
So we had made a recommendation that the reclamation

637
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,734
be broken up into other mines based on spend. Yep.

638
00:31:33,934 --> 00:31:36,834
Has that happen right now it's all in the reclamation line.

639
00:31:36,834 --> 00:31:39,066
We did break out a separate bridge.

640
00:31:39,066 --> 00:31:40,667
Object.

641
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:45,867
And we can further break out CIP as reclamation versus resurfacing.

642
00:31:45,867 --> 00:31:47,900
But right now it's all in the reclamation line.

643
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,567
Yeah, I think we need to do that.

644
00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:51,200
Do you need a motion for that or,

645
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,667
maybe a conversation with Adam of exactly what you're looking for?

646
00:31:55,500 --> 00:32:00,166
Whether it be, tonight or on next week, we can kind of make those adjustments.

647
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,200
Yeah. Okay.

648
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,500
He's presenting next week.

649
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:07,233
He, you know, it's going to be police, fire and DPW,

650
00:32:07,233 --> 00:32:08,800
all the heavy hitters on the 19th.

651
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,934
So, in terms of special articles, again, you've got

652
00:32:12,934 --> 00:32:16,000
two collective bargaining agreements that are currently under negotiation.

653
00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:19,000
Capital reserve funds.

654
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,667
Your August 24th meeting, the board prior to prioritize establishment

655
00:32:23,667 --> 00:32:27,166
of four capital reserve funds, original a

656
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,333
I had kind of floated the idea of multiyear,

657
00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:35,634
deposits into capital reserve funds, but, it may be better in

658
00:32:36,033 --> 00:32:38,934
some of the discussions with Danielle, as well as some of the department

659
00:32:38,934 --> 00:32:42,500
heads, to just do some bigger, deposits

660
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,500
this year that would also satisfy,

661
00:32:45,734 --> 00:32:48,734
reducing your fund balance closer to 10%,

662
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:52,333
which was kind of the intent of the voters when they voted for article 19.

663
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,567
So what we have is currently you've got the fire

664
00:32:55,567 --> 00:32:58,767
apparatus and the library capital reserve fund we would look for.

665
00:32:58,767 --> 00:33:03,567
I guess we're recommending, deposits into those.

666
00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:07,867
And then, establishment of a town facilities capital reserve fund,

667
00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:12,266
a bridge replacement and rehabilitation capital reserve fund.

668
00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:14,333
And if

669
00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:17,634
you wanted to further define that one, you could make it bridge

670
00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:23,400
and critical culvert, replacement and rehabilitation

671
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,200
and perhaps pull some of that money, some of the funds out of CIP

672
00:33:27,867 --> 00:33:30,200
police station replacement and rehabilitation

673
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,200
and town technology.

674
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,100
And then, the fire chief

675
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,200
would be presenting proposal when he presents on the 19th.

676
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,433
And then just again, as we get back to nonunion

677
00:33:43,433 --> 00:33:47,033
and how you want to look at their matrix on page three of my memo

678
00:33:47,367 --> 00:33:51,266
is just kind of a matrix adjustment by different groups in both the town

679
00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:54,500
and the school for the board to consider on the 10%.

680
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,600
Eric, we went down to that,

681
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,600
taking these recommendations here.

682
00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:02,400
What would that give us as an offset?

683
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,600
When we go for, setting the tax rate and everything else like that,

684
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,834
we have about a half a million

685
00:34:07,834 --> 00:34:11,834
that's basically being used to offset because of the extra that's in here now.

686
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:14,634
So what would we basically be moving down if we did all these?

687
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:16,533
I'm sorry.

688
00:34:16,533 --> 00:34:16,800
Yeah.

689
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,900
So right now, with the amount of money that we have

690
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,433
in the assigned fund balance, you only get interest on that. Yep.

691
00:34:22,634 --> 00:34:25,233
It's going up being applied to the tax rate. Right.

692
00:34:25,233 --> 00:34:25,667
Because of work.

693
00:34:25,667 --> 00:34:29,266
You know, so when we have fund balance

694
00:34:29,266 --> 00:34:32,600
it is it's, it's a, it's fund equity.

695
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,200
It's a, it's a line on it.

696
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,000
But balance sheet.

697
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,967
But during the year we have cash in the bank.

698
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:42,934
That interest is a revenue line, that general fund budget.

699
00:34:42,934 --> 00:34:48,433
So we take in between 400 and $500,000 worth of interest.

700
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,533
And that reduces the amount that we have to collect in taxes.

701
00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:53,734
So you're not using it to reduce taxes.

702
00:34:53,734 --> 00:34:55,734
It's already built into our budget.

703
00:34:55,734 --> 00:34:57,000
It's being built into the budget.

704
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,867
But what's that going to reduce it down. It's 400 or 500,000.

705
00:34:59,867 --> 00:35:02,000
Now what do we think it's going to get reduced down to.

706
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,500
But I don't know.

707
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:07,100
It's hard to tell because we've made some other changes in our,

708
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,133
in some of our accounts to reduce what we're paying in bank fees.

709
00:35:11,133 --> 00:35:16,800
And we're hopeful there'll be a wash out to at most $100,000 reduction.

710
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,367
So we're trying to keep if the board does use fund balance,

711
00:35:20,667 --> 00:35:23,667
we're trying to minimize the impact that it would have on revenue as well.

712
00:35:24,066 --> 00:35:24,567
So you think

713
00:35:24,567 --> 00:35:28,700
we'll be about a hundred thousand shorter than we were before potentially at most.

714
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:33,166
Like I said, our finance director and treasurer has made some changes

715
00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:37,567
with, the, banking products that we're using to try and minimize

716
00:35:37,567 --> 00:35:39,634
some and increase interest

717
00:35:39,634 --> 00:35:42,734
on some of the other accounts where we've had, less interest before.

718
00:35:43,467 --> 00:35:47,400
So you're talking about the, the, the, the decrease of interest

719
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
because of the decrease in the principal that. Yeah.

720
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,467
Because because we'll be a row

721
00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:52,700
if we removed all these

722
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,333
and then you're going to be removing some of that,

723
00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:58,233
some of that interest that is going as Robin, you're saying it's

724
00:35:58,467 --> 00:36:00,300
probably 100,000, but right there.

725
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,367
Yeah, we can probably we could probably look at the cash flow

726
00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:06,367
and see exactly what it would would do.

727
00:36:06,367 --> 00:36:08,533
We're trying to minimize that as possible.

728
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,900
I think it'd be good to know the estimate of that.

729
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:11,467
Okay.

730
00:36:11,467 --> 00:36:16,500
Because if we're going to do it, we should be cognizant of that impact.

731
00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:18,634
Yep. Absolutely.

732
00:36:23,066 --> 00:36:25,133
Because, you know, maybe the

733
00:36:25,133 --> 00:36:28,166
suggestion that was made earlier is like, do a little bit each year,

734
00:36:29,233 --> 00:36:32,233
maybe a more appropriate, thing.

735
00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:34,166
I understand, like we want to see these.

736
00:36:34,166 --> 00:36:37,166
Well, I think is one reason why. Right.

737
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:39,834
Because if we went to go put more in in future

738
00:36:39,834 --> 00:36:42,834
years, it would have to come out of taxation.

739
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:44,500
Yeah. Correct. Right.

740
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,700
Or if the town for some reason after we submit.

741
00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:53,500
So the way fund balance builds up is we either, we underspend our appropriation

742
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,800
or after we submit our revised revenues, we submit those on September 1st.

743
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,634
If that period between September 1st and,

744
00:37:01,634 --> 00:37:04,734
December 31st, if we get more revenue than we're anticipating.

745
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:09,533
So, and that's happened, you know, we always get a little bit more revenue.

746
00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:14,467
So and then what we could apply that to the that goes into fund balance.

747
00:37:14,467 --> 00:37:17,567
But then instead of funding capital

748
00:37:17,567 --> 00:37:20,867
reserve funds, do you do a little bit about two.

749
00:37:20,967 --> 00:37:21,867
Yeah. 40.

750
00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:25,500
Is it for tax rate reducing the tax rate.

751
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,300
So these money, these moneys, if we were to fund these

752
00:37:30,033 --> 00:37:32,700
these things, would they collect interest.

753
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,133
They would,

754
00:37:33,133 --> 00:37:36,533
but they would stay the interest rate, stay in the capital reserve funds

755
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,834
for those purposes. Okay.

756
00:37:38,834 --> 00:37:41,834
My question.

757
00:37:42,467 --> 00:37:44,266
So that's a general overview.

758
00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:46,834
And if you have any other questions I'll be happy to answer them.

759
00:37:46,834 --> 00:37:49,834
Otherwise I can go right into the town hall budget review.

760
00:37:52,233 --> 00:37:53,567
State stepped matrix

761
00:37:53,567 --> 00:37:56,600
versus like, adjustment.

762
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,567
Right?

763
00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:01,100
She said for every 1% we're looking at about 71,000. Yes.

764
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,533
And so

765
00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:06,734
and we haven't had,

766
00:38:06,734 --> 00:38:09,934
any wage adjustment increase since what year.

767
00:38:10,734 --> 00:38:15,033
So in so for nonunion town employees in 2024,

768
00:38:15,033 --> 00:38:18,033
you implement the board implemented the PayPal.

769
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:23,467
We did a full market study in 2023 and then implemented it a year later.

770
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:26,433
So, everyone was placed on that at 2024.

771
00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:30,166
In 2025, we there was a 3.3%

772
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,834
adjustment to that matrix in 2026, nonunion.

773
00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:37,500
Receive it because we're in a default budget.

774
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,834
So there's no matrix adjustment and no steps.

775
00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:45,667
So what you

776
00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:49,500
have in the budget, in the budget detail is we've moved

777
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:53,734
all nonunion employees forward with the steps only.

778
00:38:53,734 --> 00:38:56,734
And then if you wanted to do,

779
00:38:58,166 --> 00:39:02,900
a matrix adjustment, it'll be about 71,000 for each percentage point that you had.

780
00:39:03,867 --> 00:39:06,867
So if we did,

781
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,100
let's just say 3%.

782
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:14,333
And right now we're 3.7% on opex increase.

783
00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:17,033
Do we know how much further that would take us?

784
00:39:17,033 --> 00:39:22,033
So right now your opex is 941,000 over.

785
00:39:22,433 --> 00:39:26,000
So that add about another 210,000.

786
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,967
So be another one.

787
00:39:30,967 --> 00:39:35,066
I'd, I'd if we can figure it out for you and to give you what that total would be.

788
00:39:36,233 --> 00:39:38,967
So it'd probably be close to be closer to 5%.

789
00:39:38,967 --> 00:39:40,033
To 5%.

790
00:39:40,033 --> 00:39:43,033
Yeah.

791
00:39:51,567 --> 00:39:52,800
Where to go?

792
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,367
I think so getting under that.

793
00:39:55,367 --> 00:39:55,934
Derek. Yeah.

794
00:39:55,934 --> 00:39:59,667
So admin I kept it, pretty, short and sweet.

795
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,333
We had a lot of,

796
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:09,967
over the last two years, we've had a considerable amount of, retirements.

797
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,133
So when we look at our wage lines, it's not the typical hit

798
00:40:14,133 --> 00:40:18,200
that we see when there's an increase, because we hired people

799
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
with less experience and we come in,

800
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,033
further down the matrix.

801
00:40:23,033 --> 00:40:25,834
Overall, the admin budget that you have before

802
00:40:25,834 --> 00:40:30,934
you is up 5.2%, which is $174,000, roughly.

803
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:36,000
But I'd really like to just add a lot of that is plus and minuses.

804
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,200
As you go through the detail,

805
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,967
you'll see where, we had some increases and where we had some decreases.

806
00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:44,200
It's primarily in three lines.

807
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,567
The first one is in hardware.

808
00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:52,133
It hardware, that line is up $53,325.

809
00:40:52,767 --> 00:40:57,467
The big thing of that is when we're comparing to the 2026 default

810
00:40:57,467 --> 00:41:00,467
budget column, that's really the 2025

811
00:41:00,567 --> 00:41:03,400
approved budget by the voters.

812
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,033
In the last two years, that demand for eight, I, I,

813
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,834
has really

814
00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:16,133
seen it caused a huge increase in the cost of, PCs, servers, components.

815
00:41:16,333 --> 00:41:18,266
Any of those devices.

816
00:41:18,266 --> 00:41:22,300
So what I provided at the bottom of page one is where those individual,

817
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,567
we haven't changed any of the life cycle replacement of anything.

818
00:41:25,567 --> 00:41:28,767
But you can see where we're seeing significant increases

819
00:41:28,767 --> 00:41:32,133
that it's going to cost to replace desktop glass tops.

820
00:41:32,767 --> 00:41:36,266
Our printers are our rugged,

821
00:41:36,867 --> 00:41:41,000
rugged mobile data terminals that are in the police cars.

822
00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:44,734
There's going to be significant increase where it was two years ago.

823
00:41:45,867 --> 00:41:48,734
The only new item that I do have in the hardware

824
00:41:48,734 --> 00:41:51,734
line is, CCTV cameras.

825
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,867
This was done as a project in 2020.

826
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,500
I'm sorry, there was a typo.

827
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,667
So it says originally installed in 2025.

828
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,500
We started that project in 2020.

829
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,300
So, those all the

830
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:09,867
cameras that we have are beyond their five year warranty.

831
00:42:09,867 --> 00:42:13,500
So if the camera, any of our building cameras,

832
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:17,066
fails, we've got to go out and purchase one.

833
00:42:17,066 --> 00:42:20,567
So what we want to start doing is start putting those 75 devices

834
00:42:20,567 --> 00:42:23,567
on a five year replacement schedule or or,

835
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:29,467
replacing 20% a year, and that's got an additional cost of $22,500.

836
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,533
We also have a pretty

837
00:42:33,533 --> 00:42:36,533
significant increase in computer software.

838
00:42:36,734 --> 00:42:37,567
All right.

839
00:42:37,567 --> 00:42:40,567
Office has done a great job working with departments

840
00:42:40,567 --> 00:42:44,333
to reduce the number of programs and licenses town wide.

841
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:49,467
So we only have about an $11,000 increase on programs and licenses,

842
00:42:49,467 --> 00:42:53,867
but that's mostly due to the work that they've done is, getting rid of,

843
00:42:53,867 --> 00:42:58,333
programs that we're not using fully or license that are not being fully used.

844
00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:02,300
I am proposing three new softwares in 2027.

845
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,700
The first one is Civic Park stock access for 8300.

846
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,900
This is web software that will help the town comply

847
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:13,300
with Ada requirements for web accessibility standards.

848
00:43:13,867 --> 00:43:17,533
The compliance deadline for that is April of 2028.

849
00:43:17,634 --> 00:43:20,200
However, we do need to get it installed that way.

850
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Starts going through all the documents and everything that we have

851
00:43:23,233 --> 00:43:25,934
on our website, and make sure everything on our website,

852
00:43:25,934 --> 00:43:27,667
meets those accessibility standards.

853
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,500
It is also seeking, what's called

854
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:35,033
Crunch Atlas Threat Intelligence for 25,000.

855
00:43:35,433 --> 00:43:38,233
This is an embedded AI detection software.

856
00:43:38,233 --> 00:43:42,033
And it's really looks at that traffic that's coming in and out of network

857
00:43:42,033 --> 00:43:47,934
to see when, is it a user that's using or is this some type of AI enhanced network

858
00:43:47,934 --> 00:43:51,066
attack to to start to, flag

859
00:43:51,066 --> 00:43:54,066
those items for, to look at.

860
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:56,934
And then the last one is it's called

861
00:43:56,934 --> 00:43:59,967
just FOIA Freedom of Information Act.

862
00:44:00,266 --> 00:44:04,600
This is a, right to know redaction and process management software.

863
00:44:05,266 --> 00:44:08,634
We're currently doing that, completely manual,

864
00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:13,934
by email, by talking with colleagues, you know, and it gets very cumbersome

865
00:44:13,934 --> 00:44:17,467
to maintain those and get that done completely.

866
00:44:17,467 --> 00:44:20,467
This is a process management software where you can build in,

867
00:44:20,734 --> 00:44:23,934
the different tasks, and it just kind of pushes it down the line.

868
00:44:23,934 --> 00:44:28,533
It also provides a web access for the person that requests.

869
00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:32,634
It can go in and go pick up what their 91 A is once it starts

870
00:44:33,233 --> 00:44:34,533
for these annual fees.

871
00:44:34,533 --> 00:44:37,000
Yes. These are all annual fees.

872
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,033
So this is like are these SaaS products or these, ones that you guys

873
00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:47,700
are installing or require Civic Plus and just FOIA would be, cloud hosted?

874
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:53,667
I can find out about the, the, the, AI detection software,

875
00:44:53,667 --> 00:44:58,333
that one I'm not certain about because it's so integral to the, to the network.

876
00:44:58,333 --> 00:45:00,333
So I don't know on that one. So I'll ask.

877
00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:00,600
Yeah.

878
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,100
Stand up.

879
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,634
We have to buy hardware for any of these.

880
00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:06,667
Not for just FOIA or the Civic Plus.

881
00:45:06,667 --> 00:45:09,667
And we are currently finishing up,

882
00:45:10,166 --> 00:45:13,333
project to move one of our biggest softwares to, cloud hosted.

883
00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:15,367
So we'll free up some space.

884
00:45:15,367 --> 00:45:20,500
So how much time do you spend a month maybe just ballpark on, manual employees?

885
00:45:21,266 --> 00:45:22,467
It depends on the month.

886
00:45:22,467 --> 00:45:25,867
We've got a couple of significant ones that we've been working over the summer

887
00:45:25,867 --> 00:45:27,333
that we're just finishing up right now.

888
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:30,066
That has taken a significant amount of time.

889
00:45:30,066 --> 00:45:35,600
I mean, I think it's 4000 pages that are turning over and going through those.

890
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,967
We're trying to use the Adobe software

891
00:45:39,967 --> 00:45:43,133
to make it less cumbersome, but you still have to have somebody.

892
00:45:43,133 --> 00:45:45,066
That's where this will go through.

893
00:45:45,066 --> 00:45:48,033
We will flag telephone numbers. It will flag,

894
00:45:49,133 --> 00:45:52,467
emails, will flag key terms to help process that.

895
00:45:52,467 --> 00:45:53,567
A little less names.

896
00:45:53,567 --> 00:45:55,567
Yeah, a little bit more efficiently.

897
00:45:55,567 --> 00:45:59,533
On any of these softwares, that you're putting in there,

898
00:45:59,533 --> 00:46:03,667
do they have, contractual agreements on some percentage of increase annually?

899
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:06,166
I will get that answer for you.

900
00:46:06,166 --> 00:46:08,767
I don't know the answer to that right now.

901
00:46:08,767 --> 00:46:09,700
I'm sure Brian does.

902
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:11,734
But I think, okay.

903
00:46:11,734 --> 00:46:15,300
And then the last item is the you'll see a significant increase

904
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:18,567
in our, assessing or reevaluation of property.

905
00:46:19,433 --> 00:46:23,634
Our assessor is set to retire in March of 27.

906
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,900
And we he has been with the town for 20 years now.

907
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,066
He does a wonderful job.

908
00:46:31,066 --> 00:46:34,767
But assessing is a very difficult position to hire for.

909
00:46:35,266 --> 00:46:39,667
There aren't as many people out there in the assessing, business.

910
00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:45,233
So what we're doing is we'd be asking the board, can we advertise now and hire

911
00:46:45,233 --> 00:46:49,867
a replacement starting sometime in January so that we have overlap so that,

912
00:46:50,767 --> 00:46:54,233
it can be brought up to speed and make for a smoother transition?

913
00:46:55,834 --> 00:46:56,867
Because that's not one

914
00:46:56,867 --> 00:47:00,066
that we can really backfill with anybody else in the office.

915
00:47:00,667 --> 00:47:01,900
The other option.

916
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:03,834
So I guess the board has two other options.

917
00:47:03,834 --> 00:47:05,700
If you're not in favor of that.

918
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:05,900
Yeah.

919
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,700
The option would be to hire and have somebody take over and have a smaller,

920
00:47:10,266 --> 00:47:14,133
overlap period so that we could reduce that amount.

921
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,333
There are some towns that don't have an assessor in-house.

922
00:47:18,567 --> 00:47:21,100
They contract the service out.

923
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:24,700
I would not recommend that to you, but that is an option and I can provide you,

924
00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:29,066
the names of those towns and what they're paying for, assessing services.

925
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,266
They're paying a considerable amount, especially on Reval years where, you know,

926
00:47:33,266 --> 00:47:38,400
they're paying, six figures, for to, company to come in and do a reevaluation.

927
00:47:39,367 --> 00:47:41,834
I just assume start looking now,

928
00:47:41,834 --> 00:47:45,734
is that the main reason, is because of the extenuating cost

929
00:47:45,734 --> 00:47:48,500
that you would not recommend that Derek or that or other reasons to.

930
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,266
I think you you lose a bit of customer service as well.

931
00:47:51,266 --> 00:47:53,000
Scott's done a really good job.

932
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,300
Whenever we have people that are coming in for, the,

933
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:59,667
the elderly credits and the veteran's credits or exemptions,

934
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,133
but also explaining when somebody has a question about,

935
00:48:03,767 --> 00:48:06,467
what these other towns do is they have an assessing

936
00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:09,900
clerk, that can explain so much.

937
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,133
And then they what have their contracting vendor in for,

938
00:48:13,333 --> 00:48:15,433
you know, one day a week to answer questions.

939
00:48:15,433 --> 00:48:19,000
So it's I think it's a better customer service model that we have right now.

940
00:48:19,166 --> 00:48:19,900
We're very lucky.

941
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,700
Scott does an excellent job meeting with people

942
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:25,400
when they have questions about their assessment.

943
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,333
He's very knowledgeable and can explain all that.

944
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:30,800
So we

945
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,800
basically would have to have them in the seat by December.

946
00:48:33,934 --> 00:48:36,467
No, I think January be reasonable.

947
00:48:36,467 --> 00:48:38,400
He's going to be leaving at the end of March.

948
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,300
So if we could, you know, look at, you know, what the, the job description.

949
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,734
Scott reviewed it for me.

950
00:48:44,734 --> 00:48:47,166
He's provided his feedback on the job description.

951
00:48:47,166 --> 00:48:50,166
So I'll be bringing that forward at a future meeting.

952
00:48:50,166 --> 00:48:54,033
And. Yeah, if we can get it again, this is, it just aren't as many as,

953
00:48:54,333 --> 00:48:57,367
assessors out there as there were 25 years ago.

954
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,400
The only reason I'm saying December is because, like,

955
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,400
you're going to have to get ahead of the hiring process.

956
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,467
So, like, you may need actually a little bit more.

957
00:49:06,467 --> 00:49:09,133
Yeah, we can definitely look at that and accelerate that. Yeah.

958
00:49:09,133 --> 00:49:11,300
Because then at least if there's a target in December,

959
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:13,800
if we fall short, it January at least we're still okay.

960
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,900
Yeah we can. Absolutely.

961
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,967
I'd be worried if we said, hey, we're going to hire in January

962
00:49:16,967 --> 00:49:19,667
because I know how long hiring stay in sometimes for us.

963
00:49:19,667 --> 00:49:22,734
Yeah, I can bring a job description to you at your next meeting,

964
00:49:22,834 --> 00:49:25,834
and we can kind of push that process on.

965
00:49:26,033 --> 00:49:27,400
Is that 55,000?

966
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,567
Figure from is that Scott?

967
00:49:30,567 --> 00:49:35,266
So what it is you're you're basically paying two assessors for three months,

968
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:41,166
and Scott is going to have, he'll have vacation and the personal plan,

969
00:49:41,166 --> 00:49:43,867
if he has any intrinsically, if he'll be able to cash flows out.

970
00:49:43,867 --> 00:49:49,200
So he'll have what may amount to four months worth of pay in 2027.

971
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,900
So you'd have four months of those over.

972
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:53,567
Okay.

973
00:49:53,567 --> 00:49:57,900
And then the admin budget again does not include, matrix adjustment.

974
00:49:58,433 --> 00:50:01,900
I've also you do not have Guilfoyle treatment in this budget.

975
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,900
What we did is we created a new line under,

976
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,900
other general government.

977
00:50:08,467 --> 00:50:11,133
And what I did is I reduced conservation,

978
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:16,166
Commission's line down to 2000 and then put a $1 placeholder

979
00:50:16,166 --> 00:50:21,333
and to see if the, you know, the select board, wants to discuss Milford Oil,

980
00:50:21,333 --> 00:50:25,767
I believe, Conservation Commission David Newman will be at your next meeting,

981
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:27,166
to speak with you

982
00:50:27,166 --> 00:50:31,133
a little bit about the conservation Fund and then, working with the chair,

983
00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:34,467
we'll have an Tomasky Lake Association, future meeting as well.

984
00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:37,634
Is there any chance we can get grants from the state for Millville

985
00:50:37,634 --> 00:50:42,667
that the state already pays for 50% through, their their grant program? 30?

986
00:50:42,734 --> 00:50:43,367
Yeah. That's it.

987
00:50:44,367 --> 00:50:45,266
That.

988
00:50:45,266 --> 00:50:49,467
So the town has never been the town has never been the lead applicant.

989
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:53,233
It's always been the lake associations that have been the lead applicant.

990
00:50:53,266 --> 00:50:55,333
It worked for the state on those.

991
00:50:55,333 --> 00:50:58,934
And we've done it as a reimbursement to the Lake Association.

992
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,000
Do you think we would get more if we were the leader?

993
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,066
I would want to talk to des.

994
00:51:05,066 --> 00:51:06,367
We can reach out to des

995
00:51:06,367 --> 00:51:09,567
and see if there if there's anything if there's any difference.

996
00:51:09,567 --> 00:51:11,600
If the town is a lead applicant, we can reach out.

997
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,000
Okay.

998
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
It'd be interesting to find out if there is something more.

999
00:51:16,233 --> 00:51:19,233
So the other general government, those numbers,

1000
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,533
those of Milford

1001
00:51:22,533 --> 00:51:25,433
just want to understand what that is.

1002
00:51:25,433 --> 00:51:25,734
You get.

1003
00:51:25,734 --> 00:51:28,834
441 999 on the first page.

1004
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,934
On my town hall.

1005
00:51:32,934 --> 00:51:35,934
Yeah. So 41 990 other general government.

1006
00:51:36,066 --> 00:51:37,066
That's the division.

1007
00:51:37,066 --> 00:51:40,066
So if you look at page,

1008
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,000
I think it's on eight.

1009
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,033
No, it is on page nine.

1010
00:51:46,066 --> 00:51:46,400
Okay.

1011
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,367
So other general government, we have conservation, we have historic

1012
00:51:49,367 --> 00:51:53,667
district commission, budget reports, town report, wellness, civic ceremonies.

1013
00:51:53,667 --> 00:51:55,634
So we have a couple different items.

1014
00:51:55,634 --> 00:51:58,634
And those are all right. Thank you.

1015
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:02,300
And when you look at the Conservation Commission,

1016
00:52:02,767 --> 00:52:05,066
you see the columns for 2024

1017
00:52:05,066 --> 00:52:08,066
actuals, 25 actuals and their year to date

1018
00:52:08,066 --> 00:52:13,100
and this year's budget, those included, the mill foil request,

1019
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:16,834
but because the request for mill soil was so big this year,

1020
00:52:16,834 --> 00:52:21,200
what it did is just kind of, took those out and put them on their own

1021
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,200
line is just for a $1 placeholder at this point.

1022
00:52:24,433 --> 00:52:27,500
Might. Okay, so what?

1023
00:52:29,667 --> 00:52:30,233
So the default

1024
00:52:30,233 --> 00:52:33,900
budget for them is 10,000 and they're at 1000 right now.

1025
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,934
Yes. Prior years they were only at like roughly five. Yes.

1026
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,834
And the largest portion of that was the mill oil reimbursement.

1027
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:42,667
Okay.

1028
00:52:42,667 --> 00:52:46,433
So they have previously paid for removal from the operating budget.

1029
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:48,400
Okay. Yes.

1030
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,934
Not from the not from the land use change tax conservation.

1031
00:52:52,634 --> 00:52:54,033
Gotcha.

1032
00:52:54,033 --> 00:52:55,834
But they were doing small incremental hits.

1033
00:52:55,834 --> 00:52:57,400
Then. Yes.

1034
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,333
Because, the the Lake Association was doing

1035
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,700
much smaller work.

1036
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,467
But yeah, they're doing some herbicide treatment.

1037
00:53:06,467 --> 00:53:09,467
And it was, you know,

1038
00:53:09,767 --> 00:53:12,133
I can give you the history and I'm just I'm just curious,

1039
00:53:12,133 --> 00:53:15,133
talking about the same,

1040
00:53:15,967 --> 00:53:17,200
Lake Association.

1041
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:17,367
Yeah.

1042
00:53:17,367 --> 00:53:20,700
So in the past, the Conservation Commission has helped

1043
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:24,533
pay for some, even though it was on a much smaller scale, has helped pay

1044
00:53:24,533 --> 00:53:28,567
for some of that mitigation out of the operating budget, their operating budget.

1045
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,033
Yeah.

1046
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:31,767
Okay.

1047
00:53:31,767 --> 00:53:34,834
So this is just a really a different detail line comes from the same place

1048
00:53:34,834 --> 00:53:37,834
comes from taxpayers.

1049
00:53:45,266 --> 00:53:47,100
That's pretty much it for the town hall budget.

1050
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:51,734
I don't have anything in, CIP or special articles this year.

1051
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:56,100
I guess the only thing I will mention is we proposed the Town

1052
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,133
Technology Capital reserve fund.

1053
00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:03,300
If the board decides that you don't want to, move forward,

1054
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,834
that I would ask that we perhaps, revisit computer hardware.

1055
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:13,600
Because I did not put in all of our networking hardware replacement.

1056
00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:18,133
If you look on the page one, I only put in five devices,

1057
00:54:18,133 --> 00:54:21,133
but if it has to fully come from the operating budget,

1058
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,400
it really should be doing 15 devices a year

1059
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,000
and all those for switches and stuff like that

1060
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,200
switches, you know, and all the buildings. Yes.

1061
00:54:31,467 --> 00:54:31,834
Okay.

1062
00:54:31,834 --> 00:54:34,800
So it's not just here at the town hall, town wide channel. Yep.

1063
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:39,233
And we're replacing those on a schedule over every five years. Yep.

1064
00:54:39,233 --> 00:54:42,700
So 75 devices on a five year replacement schedule.

1065
00:54:43,033 --> 00:54:46,700
Again, there's only five in the operating budget.

1066
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:50,300
And the rest we we start pulling from the technology CRF.

1067
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,100
Okay. And,

1068
00:54:57,166 --> 00:54:57,967
Page seven.

1069
00:54:57,967 --> 00:55:00,133
Derek, you're saying

1070
00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:03,066
that on the regular full time wages, that includes,

1071
00:55:03,066 --> 00:55:06,333
all staff adjustments for that, line for 2027.

1072
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,400
So what I'm reading, so that includes

1073
00:55:10,433 --> 00:55:13,433
a full time a includes

1074
00:55:13,567 --> 00:55:16,734
our current assessor through March and any bio.

1075
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:20,867
It includes a full time assessor for the full year.

1076
00:55:20,867 --> 00:55:24,200
And it includes 50% of the,

1077
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,600
assessing building work because that position shared

1078
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
between two divisions,

1079
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,967
Where is the election line

1080
00:55:38,433 --> 00:55:40,033
for elected officials?

1081
00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:41,667
Not for the elected officials

1082
00:55:41,667 --> 00:55:44,667
for for holding the elections and the amount that we're putting there.

1083
00:55:45,634 --> 00:55:48,634
So that is.

1084
00:55:54,867 --> 00:55:57,867
I there.

1085
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:03,500
Okay.

1086
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,500
So we decrease the line.

1087
00:56:06,634 --> 00:56:06,834
Yeah.

1088
00:56:06,834 --> 00:56:11,467
This is another one of those ones where we look at, we've got a pretty significant.

1089
00:56:11,467 --> 00:56:15,533
And when we look at the 2025 actuals to what we're proposing, because again,

1090
00:56:15,533 --> 00:56:18,567
we've had turnover in that department and then we've made adjustments

1091
00:56:18,567 --> 00:56:20,233
for the number of elections that we'll have.

1092
00:56:21,233 --> 00:56:23,867
Yeah.

1093
00:56:23,867 --> 00:56:25,600
Do we know

1094
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,600
how much we're spending not only on

1095
00:56:29,433 --> 00:56:31,734
the elections,

1096
00:56:31,734 --> 00:56:34,033
from a standpoint of like food and that sort of thing,

1097
00:56:34,033 --> 00:56:36,367
but also how much we're spending on details between the two.

1098
00:56:36,367 --> 00:56:37,700
Location.

1099
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:41,400
So right now, the, police chief, is playing

1100
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,800
for the details out of his overtime line.

1101
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,734
So you're paying for that out of your overtime? My chief is okay.

1102
00:56:47,734 --> 00:56:50,467
My understanding.

1103
00:56:50,467 --> 00:56:50,867
Sorry.

1104
00:56:50,867 --> 00:56:53,033
That's the only shareholder.

1105
00:56:53,033 --> 00:56:54,200
Yes, currently.

1106
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,734
How it works for elections.

1107
00:56:55,734 --> 00:56:59,700
We work with the town clerk to figure out how many officers are in need.

1108
00:56:59,734 --> 00:57:03,634
We basically says for security and we pay our officers the audit rate for that.

1109
00:57:04,266 --> 00:57:06,934
So part of our hot line is coming from that.

1110
00:57:06,934 --> 00:57:10,867
And so we're going to see additive on this year because of the number of elections

1111
00:57:12,767 --> 00:57:13,800
somewhat.

1112
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,300
But again not to get into the too deep into the weeds.

1113
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:20,300
But it just depends on who you get on their day off

1114
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,367
to cover that, because some people's overtime is different than others.

1115
00:57:23,367 --> 00:57:26,100
So it's hard to actually whereas if there was a detail,

1116
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,233
we could say that detail rate is going to be this.

1117
00:57:28,233 --> 00:57:32,200
Yeah, we have a whole internal thing about details of town,

1118
00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:33,700
other town departments.

1119
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:37,667
But yeah, actually we're going to hire people to go there on the days off.

1120
00:57:38,533 --> 00:57:42,734
And if the board feels more comfortable, you want to start showing that in here.

1121
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,367
I think we should,

1122
00:57:45,367 --> 00:57:48,734
because I think we should be showing how much we're spending on that,

1123
00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:51,800
because I think it's skewing the number.

1124
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,166
And it also kind of gets back to a discussion like,

1125
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:56,867
would it be much easier if it was all at one location?

1126
00:57:56,867 --> 00:57:59,767
I mean, I can tell you, I don't know how far you guys want to go

1127
00:57:59,767 --> 00:58:03,033
and I don't want to hijack your your presentation to Derek.

1128
00:58:03,033 --> 00:58:06,133
But you know, just for context, for

1129
00:58:06,133 --> 00:58:09,233
the for the people here that don't know and plus that public

1130
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:12,433
the polls open at seven close at seven.

1131
00:58:12,433 --> 00:58:16,467
But our officers are meeting at town hall at 5:00 in the morning at 5 a.m..

1132
00:58:16,467 --> 00:58:19,867
We suggest that they are helping town clerk escort ballots,

1133
00:58:20,367 --> 00:58:23,233
security of them to both locations.

1134
00:58:23,233 --> 00:58:27,400
And we are assigning officers there all day until almost 2 a.m..

1135
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,000
So later that Barling officers stay there.

1136
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,133
And then when you traffic, we bring one over there.

1137
00:58:32,133 --> 00:58:33,600
They stay there till seven,

1138
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,333
bring all the stuff over to high school potentially 8:00, 9:00.

1139
00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:41,834
That particular officer leaves, but we do have an officer that will stay.

1140
00:58:41,834 --> 00:58:42,867
To your point.

1141
00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:45,800
I remember one year we were here, I think till 4:00 in the morning

1142
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,367
that officers here from overtime and we, we try to break it up.

1143
00:58:48,367 --> 00:58:50,467
So they're not here for that particular one.

1144
00:58:50,467 --> 00:58:53,000
Officers here for all day. But we break it up.

1145
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,433
And then every once in a great while I'll stick around late.

1146
00:58:57,433 --> 00:59:00,400
And that doesn't cost any extra, just my time.

1147
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,300
But, for the main officer who works security

1148
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:08,934
for the ballots that escorts the ballots back and forth here and stays here

1149
00:59:08,967 --> 00:59:12,967
all night, and make sure the public the safety portion of its target. Yep.

1150
00:59:12,967 --> 00:59:14,200
They're there.

1151
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,500
And again, we have some officers that are salaried employees that are the

1152
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:22,300
incident commanders or the lieutenants who are in charge of the entire day.

1153
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:24,233
But they split 5 a.m.

1154
00:59:24,233 --> 00:59:28,767
till typically 11 or 12 at night, you know, and I think we're

1155
00:59:28,767 --> 00:59:32,800
also spending time with our team as well, doing set up and tear down as well.

1156
00:59:32,834 --> 00:59:34,000
That's not being calculated

1157
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:36,066
and resting

1158
00:59:36,066 --> 00:59:38,900
and that's not being calculated out of town hall.

1159
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:40,266
You have Roger who helps out.

1160
00:59:40,266 --> 00:59:41,567
Is there some way to understand how much

1161
00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:44,066
we're actually spending between the two locations?

1162
00:59:44,066 --> 00:59:47,900
I think we probably could get you a room board.

1163
00:59:48,066 --> 00:59:52,467
I mean, it's hard when certain things like,

1164
00:59:52,467 --> 00:59:55,467
Mike Parks and Rec and DPW helping out.

1165
00:59:56,634 --> 00:59:57,867
A lot of times it's not.

1166
00:59:57,867 --> 01:00:01,834
We're not calling them on, t it's just they're not working for those.

1167
01:00:01,834 --> 01:00:06,000
They're starting at five in the morning, which is not for me, the regular time.

1168
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:10,266
So you start them early and then you make a decision.

1169
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:14,200
Do I need them to stay longer that day because we have things to do,

1170
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:17,066
or you let them cut out? And made up. Yeah.

1171
01:00:17,066 --> 01:00:19,834
And I can tell you that that's.

1172
01:00:19,834 --> 01:00:23,133
Well, when they, they in the morning our officers get help from those guys.

1173
01:00:23,133 --> 01:00:27,300
But when it's late at night, it's typically, as some of you have experienced

1174
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:30,467
this very late when it comes to the personnel at that night.

1175
01:00:30,467 --> 01:00:34,900
So now more there's still the same amount of work to do with less people at night.

1176
01:00:35,533 --> 01:00:38,066
Which arguably could be one of the more important parts

1177
01:00:38,066 --> 01:00:41,000
because now you have the actual ballots and everything else. Correct.

1178
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,834
They're done.

1179
01:00:41,834 --> 01:00:44,800
I, I the police department can give a report.

1180
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,266
We have the breakdown of our overtime costs

1181
01:00:48,834 --> 01:00:52,500
where they were for overtime, so I could generate a report for Derek

1182
01:00:52,667 --> 01:00:55,567
for the board to show in the past 3 or 4 years,

1183
01:00:55,567 --> 01:00:58,333
on average, what it costs us for specifically.

1184
01:00:58,333 --> 01:01:00,767
Just that just does.

1185
01:01:00,767 --> 01:01:02,033
Yeah. Because I do think

1186
01:01:03,133 --> 01:01:06,133
there are certain things where people talk about overtime

1187
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,200
that are showing up because of other things that we're doing

1188
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:12,333
that are beyond just the, you know, emergency calls.

1189
01:01:13,433 --> 01:01:17,233
And I think that we're also expanding cost and complexity

1190
01:01:17,233 --> 01:01:20,233
when we could simplify a few things as we move forward, as well.

1191
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,300
Also, we have an extra.

1192
01:01:28,033 --> 01:01:30,800
See your point.

1193
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,634
So you're all set Derek.

1194
01:01:31,634 --> 01:01:34,634
Great. Yeah okay. So okay.

1195
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:38,100
So yeah.

1196
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:40,500
I was just curious under,

1197
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:44,467
General Government Administration, the employee development.

1198
01:01:44,934 --> 01:01:46,000
Yeah. Jumped up quite a bit.

1199
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,767
Do you have something in mind for that?

1200
01:01:47,767 --> 01:01:52,233
Yeah, we've got, an employee that, is doing a qualified,

1201
01:01:52,567 --> 01:01:55,100
one employee that's doing a bachelor's degree

1202
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:57,967
and one that's going to be taking master's classes, so. Oh, right.

1203
01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:00,433
So I know the personnel playing the,

1204
01:02:00,433 --> 01:02:04,233
the board will pay 50%, and then they have to sign

1205
01:02:04,233 --> 01:02:07,233
a promissory note, and there's, like, a clawback period.

1206
01:02:07,567 --> 01:02:08,500
Okay. Perfect.

1207
01:02:10,333 --> 01:02:11,500
Okay, everybody.

1208
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,033
One last question, Derek.

1209
01:02:13,033 --> 01:02:15,233
Is there anything here

1210
01:02:15,233 --> 01:02:17,800
that if we were to say, hey, we need to find money

1211
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,400
out of this, is there any one item you'd be okay?

1212
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Well, that's going with or say it's not a necessity

1213
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,934
in terms of lines.

1214
01:02:25,934 --> 01:02:27,867
Yeah, lines.

1215
01:02:27,867 --> 01:02:30,266
I guess I would want to know how much money you're looking for.

1216
01:02:30,266 --> 01:02:34,266
Of the three

1217
01:02:34,266 --> 01:02:38,634
that I highlighted, I think you could probably get away

1218
01:02:39,033 --> 01:02:43,467
another year of potentially not doing CCTV cameras.

1219
01:02:43,934 --> 01:02:48,233
If you're going to do that in 2027 for the 2027 budget,

1220
01:02:48,233 --> 01:02:52,166
I'd ask that you consider a budget transfer in 2026

1221
01:02:52,166 --> 01:02:55,166
so that we can get a stock of some cameras this year.

1222
01:02:55,166 --> 01:02:56,900
So if we had some extra, yeah.

1223
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:58,934
So we can maybe we're going to have extra.

1224
01:02:58,934 --> 01:03:01,934
I know, because we've had, vacancies, workers

1225
01:03:01,934 --> 01:03:04,934
comp and short term disability in my department.

1226
01:03:04,934 --> 01:03:07,400
So we're going to have some low wages.

1227
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,266
So if you wanted to, reduce, I would say you could potentially do

1228
01:03:11,266 --> 01:03:15,734
the hardware for, to remove the cameras and then just let me buy them now,

1229
01:03:15,734 --> 01:03:17,467
because what we're going to do is we're going to buy them

1230
01:03:17,467 --> 01:03:19,800
and we're going to start changing them out.

1231
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,233
But if we if he puts in an order

1232
01:03:22,233 --> 01:03:23,333
in December versus

1233
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:26,500
March, I mean, it's not going to make that much difference

1234
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:30,900
where we can still start implementing that search, that switch out.

1235
01:03:31,767 --> 01:03:33,934
Okay. And how much would that be?

1236
01:03:33,934 --> 01:03:36,934
22,500.

1237
01:03:37,734 --> 01:03:38,867
And then,

1238
01:03:38,867 --> 01:03:41,600
the other place that you could do it is, like I said,

1239
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,667
if you wanted to reduce the, the overlap between the assessor.

1240
01:03:45,967 --> 01:03:48,967
Right now, I've got two proposes, a three month overlap.

1241
01:03:49,467 --> 01:03:51,667
So that's something that we typically do.

1242
01:03:51,667 --> 01:03:56,467
But it's such a it's such a subject matter expert.

1243
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,667
I feel like there's a lot of offices

1244
01:03:59,667 --> 01:04:03,100
between Danielle, myself, the other people in the building.

1245
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,734
We can jump in assessors.

1246
01:04:04,734 --> 01:04:06,934
One of those ones that don't really.

1247
01:04:06,934 --> 01:04:08,867
I don't think we want to risk that. Think that's a good idea?

1248
01:04:08,867 --> 01:04:13,367
I would almost be willing to say we need to move the assessor up.

1249
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,834
And then get some crossover.

1250
01:04:17,133 --> 01:04:20,500
So if we have, the cash for the,

1251
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,500
Yeah, that one of the cameras.

1252
01:04:23,567 --> 01:04:25,834
Okay. I mean, so I'll let,

1253
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,533
I guess the board as we

1254
01:04:28,533 --> 01:04:32,300
go through these and you want to start making motions to if that.

1255
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:33,834
That'd be one that you could cut from.

1256
01:04:33,834 --> 01:04:36,834
Let me know and I will talk to Brian about,

1257
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,867
the hard thing with hardware is it's just it's spike.

1258
01:04:40,867 --> 01:04:43,500
The cost of spike even over throughout this year.

1259
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,400
Well aware.

1260
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,900
We're paying a ton.

1261
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:49,500
Are we going to do the Q three?

1262
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:50,867
Next meeting? Next meeting?

1263
01:04:50,867 --> 01:04:52,700
It was just to.

1264
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:53,900
No, it's just too much. Yeah.

1265
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:55,767
I was just curious because I'm interested to see

1266
01:04:55,767 --> 01:04:59,266
where we stand with a lot of things I know and and seeing what else we can get

1267
01:04:59,367 --> 01:05:00,233
pushed to this year.

1268
01:05:00,233 --> 01:05:03,233
Yep. What what line item was that, Derek, that we need to,

1269
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,500
so the actual line item is on

1270
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,600
page six

1271
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:12,600
under hardware.

1272
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,600
So 48450.

1273
01:05:16,133 --> 01:05:19,133
So we would reduce that by 22,500.

1274
01:05:19,166 --> 01:05:20,700
Yes. Okay. Yeah.

1275
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,333
But we can hold off on doing that until we.

1276
01:05:23,333 --> 01:05:26,333
Yeah. Yeah okay.

1277
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:27,000
All right.

1278
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,967
Cool. I'll just mark that one.

1279
01:05:30,367 --> 01:05:32,433
And I'd be happy if there's, if the board members

1280
01:05:32,433 --> 01:05:35,600
have any questions about any of the lines, before our next meeting,

1281
01:05:35,767 --> 01:05:38,800
we'll be happy to answer any.

1282
01:05:41,934 --> 01:05:43,867
All right,

1283
01:05:43,867 --> 01:05:44,900
next up, Mr.

1284
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:47,900
Wilhelm.

1285
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:56,133
Where are we starting for? Rick

1286
01:05:56,133 --> 01:05:59,967
parks and rec is on a.

1287
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:03,333
Page.

1288
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:05,333
The 30, page 30.

1289
01:06:05,333 --> 01:06:06,133
Thank you.

1290
01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:08,700
Page.

1291
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,100
Thank you. Sir.

1292
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,934
With time record, you said page 30 of your budget

1293
01:06:13,934 --> 01:06:16,934
details. Sir.

1294
01:06:22,133 --> 01:06:22,934
Yeah.

1295
01:06:22,934 --> 01:06:25,934
There you go.

1296
01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:31,734
I don't have what you're looking at, so I have my own time.

1297
01:06:32,233 --> 01:06:35,867
So I think we'll make it work.

1298
01:06:38,767 --> 01:06:39,600
I what I'd like

1299
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,600
to do is just kind of go to what I gave you in hand.

1300
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,500
Here is the the, budget highlight overview.

1301
01:06:46,834 --> 01:06:49,500
And then if you want to go in and

1302
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,500
the very last page of what you have, this is the budget.

1303
01:06:52,934 --> 01:06:56,634
But the bottom line is I just want to make sure

1304
01:06:56,634 --> 01:06:59,033
we're all working from the same point of view here.

1305
01:06:59,033 --> 01:07:02,066
We are working from a default budget.

1306
01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:04,233
What, 26 was.

1307
01:07:04,233 --> 01:07:06,300
And we're working off of all those numbers.

1308
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:07,734
No adjusted numbers.

1309
01:07:07,734 --> 01:07:10,066
Those are the default numbers.

1310
01:07:10,066 --> 01:07:12,500
And that's what we're working off of.

1311
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:18,100
Our 27 budget is basically a 1.8%

1312
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:21,500
increase over the 26.

1313
01:07:21,867 --> 01:07:26,867
Default equates to roughly about $11,500

1314
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:30,500
as an increase.

1315
01:07:31,934 --> 01:07:32,200
There's

1316
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,600
a lot of kind of ups and downs throughout this, this budget.

1317
01:07:35,834 --> 01:07:39,200
I mean, in our full time wage lines,

1318
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:44,500
based on what Derek was talking about, if the steps were to go through, that's

1319
01:07:44,634 --> 01:07:49,567
that's about a $6,000 increase there for for the employees that are,

1320
01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:54,233
able to receive their steps,

1321
01:07:54,233 --> 01:07:56,700
their part time wage line was about

1322
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:59,700
was set at 106 and 26.

1323
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:03,100
We're bringing it down to 102659.

1324
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:06,200
Danielle and I did did a lot of work on that.

1325
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,000
Danielle kind of help me out to really define

1326
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,467
and really dive into that a little bit.

1327
01:08:11,467 --> 01:08:16,200
We try to, we averaged out, you know, like 22 employees

1328
01:08:16,867 --> 01:08:19,667
over a period of time and how many hours, you know,

1329
01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:21,834
we're saying, okay, we got a 40 hour a week person.

1330
01:08:21,834 --> 01:08:23,333
They're going to work 40 hours.

1331
01:08:23,333 --> 01:08:26,567
Well, we're finding it's not all these employees are working 40 hours.

1332
01:08:26,567 --> 01:08:28,033
It might take a week's vacation.

1333
01:08:28,033 --> 01:08:33,266
They might be out sick or whatever, blah, blah, blah times 22.

1334
01:08:33,734 --> 01:08:38,033
So what we tried to do is, is look at that, capture that, and,

1335
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:42,800
so we came up with a 102 figure for 27,

1336
01:08:43,433 --> 01:08:46,433
which from the default will be a decrease of four breaks.

1337
01:08:50,033 --> 01:08:51,600
I think that's that's a tough one.

1338
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,066
It's a it's,

1339
01:08:54,066 --> 01:08:56,000
I hate using the word as a dartboard,

1340
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,600
but, man, I tell you, it's a tough one to to really gauge.

1341
01:08:59,900 --> 01:09:01,300
It really is.

1342
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:04,900
And then the rest of them, you got longevity, retirement.

1343
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:09,166
You know, those are things that are all part of benefit plans.

1344
01:09:11,166 --> 01:09:12,500
For employee development.

1345
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:14,867
We're just going to add $150 to that.

1346
01:09:14,867 --> 01:09:18,166
Next year we're probably going

1347
01:09:18,166 --> 01:09:21,533
to have to get two extra lifeguards certified.

1348
01:09:21,533 --> 01:09:23,200
We pay for their certification.

1349
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,200
So we'll have to pay for that.

1350
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:31,033
Other than that, contract services will go down.

1351
01:09:31,266 --> 01:09:35,867
Now, remember, what we did is in in 26

1352
01:09:35,867 --> 01:09:39,800
is we pulled all what we have is we have,

1353
01:09:41,133 --> 01:09:44,567
kids that, do scorekeeping for us, things like that.

1354
01:09:44,567 --> 01:09:47,433
For all our youth, basketball games,

1355
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:50,433
something like 400 something games that we have.

1356
01:09:50,734 --> 01:09:53,767
And, so they do that service that used to be

1357
01:09:53,767 --> 01:09:56,767
right in contract services.

1358
01:09:57,867 --> 01:10:00,800
Then we also have youth basketball officials.

1359
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:01,133
Okay.

1360
01:10:01,133 --> 01:10:04,367
So that we took all that out of the contract

1361
01:10:04,367 --> 01:10:07,567
service line, which was about $5,600 decrease.

1362
01:10:08,066 --> 01:10:11,066
And we put that into the part time wage line.

1363
01:10:11,166 --> 01:10:14,166
So by putting these contract service

1364
01:10:14,667 --> 01:10:18,433
folks into the part time wage line, that that's

1365
01:10:18,433 --> 01:10:21,800
where we made that adjustment to 102 for part time

1366
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:24,934
salaries.

1367
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:26,700
I can't say

1368
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:31,133
I do know what will what stays in the contract service is basically

1369
01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:36,166
all our officiate officials for, for like our adult, our men's basketball

1370
01:10:36,166 --> 01:10:39,200
league men, boys high school, men,

1371
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,200
youth lacrosse, stuff like that.

1372
01:10:42,233 --> 01:10:44,467
And there is going to be an increase in

1373
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,634
all of those, all of those folks are there

1374
01:10:48,634 --> 01:10:53,000
probably about a five, $10 per game type of thing per person.

1375
01:10:53,567 --> 01:10:55,800
So you got two people as ten bucks.

1376
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,934
So that type of thing so that that will be an increase.

1377
01:10:58,934 --> 01:11:02,100
But but still it's a decrease shown here in this number.

1378
01:11:05,567 --> 01:11:08,266
Heating oil will be a slight decrease.

1379
01:11:08,266 --> 01:11:12,266
And that decrease is more, more because we use less gallons.

1380
01:11:12,266 --> 01:11:15,800
We didn't use as many gallons of oil.

1381
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:19,533
We put heat pumps,

1382
01:11:19,533 --> 01:11:23,066
heat pumps, what do you call a mini split?

1383
01:11:23,533 --> 01:11:27,133
We put the mini splits in, and 26

1384
01:11:27,133 --> 01:11:30,133
was our first, like, full season.

1385
01:11:30,133 --> 01:11:35,734
And, boy, I tell you, electric bill goes way up and, you know, it does.

1386
01:11:35,734 --> 01:11:38,734
But, I mean, our fuel here,

1387
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:42,634
the contract is only good till eight 2827, 827.

1388
01:11:42,934 --> 01:11:46,433
So do we really think that this is an accurate depiction of where

1389
01:11:46,433 --> 01:11:49,433
we're going to land on cost for fuel?

1390
01:11:49,467 --> 01:11:52,467
I, I'm, I'm going to roll with it.

1391
01:11:52,533 --> 01:11:53,266
You know, that's a

1392
01:11:54,567 --> 01:11:55,367
I leave that to

1393
01:11:55,367 --> 01:11:58,500
my powers to be and maybe they have a little more insight.

1394
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,100
You know Danielle and those guys,

1395
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:04,233
if they I mean, they're the ones kind of working with these contracts

1396
01:12:04,233 --> 01:12:06,066
and they can see how it goes up and down.

1397
01:12:06,066 --> 01:12:09,567
I mean, I get there in a volatile geopolitical action.

1398
01:12:09,567 --> 01:12:11,667
You're in a volatile world right now.

1399
01:12:11,667 --> 01:12:12,834
So you're right.

1400
01:12:12,834 --> 01:12:15,834
I mean, I don't know,

1401
01:12:15,867 --> 01:12:17,800
Danielle, I mean, should we be putting some buffer

1402
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,800
on that collectively?

1403
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,900
We can definitely contract out for more.

1404
01:12:25,433 --> 01:12:28,233
When does the oil, oil, propane, all those.

1405
01:12:28,233 --> 01:12:31,266
They all have contract contracts for 27.

1406
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:31,533
Yeah.

1407
01:12:31,533 --> 01:12:36,634
So the note on here that it's good through August 2027 is you can ignore that.

1408
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:39,500
So we're going until the end of the year. Yes okay. You.

1409
01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:43,667
Thank you.

1410
01:12:43,667 --> 01:12:46,033
Then we should we should I didn't explained up right here.

1411
01:12:46,033 --> 01:12:48,700
Well no I think we should just make sure that if we go in the budget committee

1412
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:50,467
that we talk about, that we're good until the end of the year.

1413
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:53,934
Yeah, well, we'll give a cut because otherwise I think that,

1414
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,600
you know, when you see that, you think we may not be okay.

1415
01:12:57,767 --> 01:12:57,934
Yeah.

1416
01:12:57,934 --> 01:13:01,233
The only one that the only one we're off is electricity

1417
01:13:01,233 --> 01:13:04,700
will be in next in next fall.

1418
01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:08,500
That's the only one that we're going to be out of contract with the in like

1419
01:13:09,133 --> 01:13:12,967
October, October, November for electricity next year

1420
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:16,333
I think this time around November.

1421
01:13:17,066 --> 01:13:19,233
Well gasoline I think is the same thing.

1422
01:13:19,233 --> 01:13:19,600
August.

1423
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,767
Oh they're going to be any commodities that we renew in 2027.

1424
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:24,767
Heating oil that the

1425
01:13:26,066 --> 01:13:28,600
heating oil only.

1426
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,567
Okay. We need to make sure that we are.

1427
01:13:30,567 --> 01:13:33,066
And I think if there's any that we have to renegotiate

1428
01:13:33,066 --> 01:13:34,800
we should make sure there's some buffer on there

1429
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,800
because otherwise I think we're going to run short under. So.

1430
01:13:41,467 --> 01:13:42,333
Sorry.

1431
01:13:42,333 --> 01:13:44,367
No, no that's fine. That's good stuff.

1432
01:13:44,367 --> 01:13:49,533
And then electricity definitely that has to go up because we've been behind.

1433
01:13:49,934 --> 01:13:51,567
We're already are behind.

1434
01:13:51,567 --> 01:13:54,200
So and I don't know if I went up enough there,

1435
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,200
but I think I did I mean, based on,

1436
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,467
I know on a season of those

1437
01:14:00,467 --> 01:14:03,467
mini splits, I think, I think I'm okay. But

1438
01:14:04,734 --> 01:14:07,734
and it also really depends on how harsh the winter is, that sort of thing.

1439
01:14:07,734 --> 01:14:10,667
Variables that we don't have control over. Correct. Now. Yes.

1440
01:14:11,667 --> 01:14:12,800
And even to self

1441
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,400
maybe it's twice as hot using AC more.

1442
01:14:16,667 --> 01:14:18,433
Yeah. Yeah exactly.

1443
01:14:18,433 --> 01:14:23,700
The a big increase here is in the in the park up operation line.

1444
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:26,700
It's about $10,000 increase.

1445
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:32,734
We the commissioners and listening to the friends of the Rail Trail,

1446
01:14:33,033 --> 01:14:37,533
we're going to look if we can if this all goes as planned,

1447
01:14:37,967 --> 01:14:41,567
look at replacing about $2,800 worth of dollars,

1448
01:14:41,567 --> 01:14:43,600
because there's a lot of ballers on the trail right now

1449
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,233
that are pretty rotted. They're in bad shape.

1450
01:14:46,233 --> 01:14:49,834
And, so I figure we're going to put that in there.

1451
01:14:51,166 --> 01:14:53,967
And then on top of that, the only other really increases

1452
01:14:53,967 --> 01:14:55,533
are your fertilizer costs.

1453
01:14:55,533 --> 01:14:58,533
So go go up, seed cost goes up.

1454
01:14:59,634 --> 01:15:02,934
The other one that goes up is portable toilets.

1455
01:15:03,333 --> 01:15:04,400
Portable toilets.

1456
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,500
Pretty expensive.

1457
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,333
So that's another one.

1458
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:12,166
And now we do we're doing

1459
01:15:12,166 --> 01:15:15,367
handicapped toilets at all locations.

1460
01:15:15,367 --> 01:15:18,233
We never did that before, which was wrong.

1461
01:15:18,233 --> 01:15:19,834
It was absolutely wrong.

1462
01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:22,867
And that's about a $320 a month per

1463
01:15:22,867 --> 01:15:25,867
unit right there. So,

1464
01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:28,300
so those are your big increases,

1465
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:31,367
their program cost that's going to go up.

1466
01:15:31,367 --> 01:15:34,233
Just there's no new programs or anything like that.

1467
01:15:34,233 --> 01:15:36,567
It's just basically product cost.

1468
01:15:36,567 --> 01:15:41,400
And that's a 4000, 47 on, $4,700 increase.

1469
01:15:42,834 --> 01:15:47,066
So that kind of equates to $11,500

1470
01:15:47,066 --> 01:15:50,033
increase, 1.8%.

1471
01:15:55,467 --> 01:15:57,533
As far as CIP goes,

1472
01:15:57,533 --> 01:16:03,133
I think we're in a really strange area with the whole CIP world.

1473
01:16:03,567 --> 01:16:08,033
I think the commissioners do realize that, for us,

1474
01:16:08,934 --> 01:16:11,900
for projects down the road, we have to look at the vehicles

1475
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:16,834
that we have in place and the vehicle, the only vehicle we really have

1476
01:16:16,834 --> 01:16:21,333
is the use of the revolving fund monies and impact fee.

1477
01:16:21,333 --> 01:16:25,367
Monies and impact fee monies are basically usable

1478
01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:29,033
based on this classification of a project.

1479
01:16:29,433 --> 01:16:31,300
Is it a rehabilitation?

1480
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:33,033
Then? It's not usable.

1481
01:16:33,033 --> 01:16:35,800
Is it something new because of expansion?

1482
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,100
Then we can go down that road.

1483
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,100
So I think we do realize that,

1484
01:16:41,767 --> 01:16:45,166
that's where that direction will be for a little bit.

1485
01:16:45,467 --> 01:16:50,700
Next year we're going to look at we have, we're working right now with a,

1486
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,233
architect,

1487
01:16:54,233 --> 01:16:56,800
designer, to do,

1488
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,800
to look at the Glen like waterfront.

1489
01:17:01,367 --> 01:17:02,467
I don't know, people might say

1490
01:17:02,467 --> 01:17:05,467
that's a waste of money, but I tell you right now, it's a safety hazard.

1491
01:17:05,634 --> 01:17:08,634
There's a lot of things over there that really need to be fixed.

1492
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:13,367
So we got, we're going to look at that and then, you know,

1493
01:17:13,367 --> 01:17:16,900
what we have for monies available is going to dictate what we can do.

1494
01:17:17,367 --> 01:17:19,900
In all honesty.

1495
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:22,900
And that's going to be the reality for a little while.

1496
01:17:23,567 --> 01:17:27,467
So when you asked me, I was talking to Derek the other day

1497
01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:28,967
and I'm looking at these scraps

1498
01:17:28,967 --> 01:17:31,967
and I'm like, quite frankly, I guess if you really look at it

1499
01:17:31,967 --> 01:17:35,000
so I was like, every department, you know, CRF, I don't know.

1500
01:17:35,467 --> 01:17:37,000
I honestly don't know.

1501
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,367
I mean, I'm just going to throw that out there.

1502
01:17:39,367 --> 01:17:40,400
But,

1503
01:17:42,066 --> 01:17:42,867
because if you have the

1504
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:45,867
revolving fund is going to you might take in 90,

1505
01:17:46,667 --> 01:17:49,667
85, $90,000 a year,

1506
01:17:49,934 --> 01:17:53,133
you want to do a new field that's $1 million.

1507
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:56,300
So there's ten years to wait for that to build up.

1508
01:17:57,467 --> 01:18:00,667
So you're looking at ten, 20,

1509
01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:03,667
30 years before things get done.

1510
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:12,600
So, that's kind of all I have.

1511
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:17,000
I mean, I roll on here to some other things, like in shipping, and I think that

1512
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,133
everything that we have on a list here needs to be on the list.

1513
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,800
Okay? It needs to be on a list.

1514
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,000
These are things that are failing facilities that are failing.

1515
01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:30,467
They're all big money.

1516
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,600
And I do not have a crystal ball or an answer for any of that,

1517
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,400
but we do have to put that on a docket somewhere.

1518
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,634
And these are things that need to be looked at.

1519
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:44,200
Derek. Hey, I got an idea to fix your voting.

1520
01:18:45,667 --> 01:18:47,100
Yeah, yeah.

1521
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:50,100
We build a 32,000 square foot facility.

1522
01:18:50,133 --> 01:18:51,834
Okay.

1523
01:18:51,834 --> 01:18:54,834
Behind a transfer station, three indoor basketball

1524
01:18:55,066 --> 01:18:58,834
access, right, and three indoor basketball courts.

1525
01:18:58,834 --> 01:18:59,266
Right.

1526
01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:02,333
So then the whole community gains

1527
01:19:02,634 --> 01:19:06,967
the availability to use indoor gym space, which we're all dying for.

1528
01:19:07,166 --> 01:19:07,567
Okay?

1529
01:19:07,567 --> 01:19:10,533
We're all fighting over two schools to make it work.

1530
01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:12,233
They do that right.

1531
01:19:12,233 --> 01:19:15,834
And then you take all your voting and it goes right there.

1532
01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:18,233
Isn't that like the central of the town?

1533
01:19:18,233 --> 01:19:21,400
Everybody drives right there and get plenty of parking.

1534
01:19:21,634 --> 01:19:26,066
You could store all your voting stuff, make a special room for it.

1535
01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:29,000
You don't have OT for Garrett and all those guys.

1536
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:35,233
Holiday trailer around, Hey, Rick, before you move it, that's a great idea.

1537
01:19:35,834 --> 01:19:38,000
I love only $10 million.

1538
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,800
It's only $10 million.

1539
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,400
I got a great idea. Okay. I'm sorry.

1540
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,934
Okay, so the, the wages lines, that you have Rick in here?

1541
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:50,266
I'm just trying to, like, understand.

1542
01:19:50,266 --> 01:19:53,567
So the default this year for part time, for instance, was 106.

1543
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:54,867
Correct? Right.

1544
01:19:54,867 --> 01:19:59,300
We're at currently at 85 and, 24 and 25.

1545
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:01,100
Let's just say they both got about 90.

1546
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:06,100
I know we move some money from the contract line, over here.

1547
01:20:06,967 --> 01:20:10,200
So let's just say it was another five K, and let's just say we had.

1548
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:12,600
So we're going to about 90.

1549
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:13,433
That's what I'm thinking.

1550
01:20:13,433 --> 01:20:14,033
Year end.

1551
01:20:14,033 --> 01:20:17,734
Yes. Year and 26 I think we'll be right around 90.

1552
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,800
Okay. So,

1553
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,567
so why would we put 102 there.

1554
01:20:24,567 --> 01:20:26,100
Would it be slightly lower.

1555
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:27,400
It's I'm just curious.

1556
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,066
It's the rationale that working with

1557
01:20:32,266 --> 01:20:36,967
for Danielle and putting these numbers together and taking 20 blaming Danielle.

1558
01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:39,867
No. Oh not blaming any I, I don't blame us.

1559
01:20:39,867 --> 01:20:42,000
I would blame her a scapegoat.

1560
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,834
I will take blame for anything I do. I'm not okay.

1561
01:20:44,834 --> 01:20:47,133
I'm not that kind of person.

1562
01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:51,834
But we're taking the 22 bodies that we have,

1563
01:20:51,834 --> 01:20:55,700
and then we're trying to match up how many hours these people work.

1564
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:56,266
Okay?

1565
01:20:56,266 --> 01:20:59,266
And that's how we came up with the 102 number.

1566
01:21:00,634 --> 01:21:03,634
Could you put that at

1567
01:21:03,934 --> 01:21:06,934
95 and roll the dice?

1568
01:21:07,166 --> 01:21:10,166
I don't know, and maybe maybe you can't.

1569
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,567
But I'm just asking is that assume assuming a step increase there

1570
01:21:14,567 --> 01:21:15,834
like these like all these.

1571
01:21:15,834 --> 01:21:18,200
For me this is a different world okay.

1572
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,533
Every every one of those 22 people, up to 22 people,

1573
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,734
probably 90% of them are going to be retired.

1574
01:21:25,734 --> 01:21:28,033
So they all get they all get there.

1575
01:21:28,033 --> 01:21:29,834
I just want to know how we came up with the number.

1576
01:21:29,834 --> 01:21:33,567
And I think that we should explain that, every single time

1577
01:21:33,567 --> 01:21:35,667
we talk about the lines. Sure.

1578
01:21:35,667 --> 01:21:37,500
It was accurate. Danielle.

1579
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:38,066
Okay.

1580
01:21:38,066 --> 01:21:39,033
So it includes the step

1581
01:21:39,033 --> 01:21:42,300
increases, includes the assumption on the hours that they work before.

1582
01:21:42,834 --> 01:21:45,834
And that's why we came up with that number.

1583
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:46,266
Yeah.

1584
01:21:46,266 --> 01:21:50,000
For these guys, it's the hours that they've worked in the past,

1585
01:21:50,367 --> 01:21:55,467
their hourly rate for the current time and what the next season would be.

1586
01:21:55,533 --> 01:21:58,900
And I like the comment about 90% of them will be returning to.

1587
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:02,100
So like that's why we're going to have stuff increases on those.

1588
01:22:03,867 --> 01:22:06,867
Okay.

1589
01:22:07,133 --> 01:22:09,266
I mean, the other numbers look good to me, Rick.

1590
01:22:09,266 --> 01:22:12,266
I mean, you're coming in at 1.8 on operational

1591
01:22:12,433 --> 01:22:15,233
and this year you don't have any CIP.

1592
01:22:15,233 --> 01:22:17,266
If I'm reading correctly there,

1593
01:22:17,266 --> 01:22:21,333
it's nothing that is going to be used via taxation dollars.

1594
01:22:21,634 --> 01:22:23,567
Yeah.

1595
01:22:23,567 --> 01:22:24,100
Perfect.

1596
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,600
There might be yes.

1597
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,600
No taxation dollars.

1598
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:32,100
Okay.

1599
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:34,800
You may have set this up.

1600
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,533
Thank you Eric, thanks for the great idea.

1601
01:22:37,533 --> 01:22:37,867
By the way.

1602
01:22:37,867 --> 01:22:41,200
We're going to totally separate what I call the network.

1603
01:22:42,567 --> 01:22:44,934
And then what happens. Yeah.

1604
01:22:44,934 --> 01:22:48,467
Have you put an arrest warrant out for no.

1605
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:50,900
Okay, right.

1606
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:53,600
We're down on the library. Page 32.

1607
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,033
Thank you.

1608
01:22:54,033 --> 01:22:57,000
Thank you.

1609
01:23:06,567 --> 01:23:07,100
Hello.

1610
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:08,700
For for everyone who doesn't know

1611
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:12,200
me, I'm Teresa Curtis, on the chair of the board of Library Trustees.

1612
01:23:12,533 --> 01:23:15,634
And with me is I'm Patty pack, your new library director.

1613
01:23:16,066 --> 01:23:17,300
Thank you.

1614
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:18,433
So welcome.

1615
01:23:18,433 --> 01:23:21,967
We are here before you with a,

1616
01:23:22,033 --> 01:23:25,634
our 27, proposed budget,

1617
01:23:26,066 --> 01:23:29,133
which represents a 2% increase over,

1618
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:33,266
the, the fall budget,

1619
01:23:33,266 --> 01:23:36,266
a little less than $20,000.

1620
01:23:36,533 --> 01:23:39,734
Over the course of the year, the area was where we,

1621
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,734
basically have any major increases,

1622
01:23:44,734 --> 01:23:48,567
for everyone would be in furniture for 28440.

1623
01:23:49,166 --> 01:23:52,166
That's we're looking at buying some,

1624
01:23:54,433 --> 01:23:56,967
easy to clean,

1625
01:23:56,967 --> 01:23:59,300
white, purple, white purple furniture.

1626
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:02,133
Yeah. Or,

1627
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:03,600
for the for the building.

1628
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,734
Our furniture is quite old.

1629
01:24:05,734 --> 01:24:06,934
We're actually hoping

1630
01:24:06,934 --> 01:24:11,100
that we will be able to continue to fund this line in future years.

1631
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:14,100
This is going to be replacing two pieces of furniture,

1632
01:24:14,166 --> 01:24:17,166
with things that are,

1633
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:23,667
They've reached the end of the a publicly friendly.

1634
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:25,834
They can be cleaned appropriately.

1635
01:24:25,834 --> 01:24:31,300
And if you think of the, some of our, our patrons, that might be

1636
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:36,934
an important reason that we we have that, so we we have an increase in that.

1637
01:24:38,467 --> 01:24:39,200
If you

1638
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:44,400
look, you'll see some odd numbers because at the request of,

1639
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:50,767
IP for the town, we've kind of taken our computer and communications lines

1640
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,200
and what was our telecommunications fine

1641
01:24:54,767 --> 01:24:59,100
and broken that across multiple, lines.

1642
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:02,100
So there's the communication, computer and communications,

1643
01:25:02,634 --> 01:25:04,567
a computer software line.

1644
01:25:04,567 --> 01:25:08,934
We typically does internet. Yes.

1645
01:25:09,467 --> 01:25:12,467
Internet line and mobile communications lines.

1646
01:25:12,634 --> 01:25:15,266
This basically just allows us to track

1647
01:25:15,266 --> 01:25:18,266
with I.T things more closely.

1648
01:25:18,934 --> 01:25:22,266
It takes into account our share of the costs

1649
01:25:22,266 --> 01:25:26,400
of, the, that five year

1650
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,333
replacement plan for things like, you know, our laptops,

1651
01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:34,033
our routers, switches, hubs that might be needed in the building.

1652
01:25:34,634 --> 01:25:38,834
So it's a, it's a spread across, but it altogether

1653
01:25:38,834 --> 01:25:43,133
does represent about, a two and a 2.5% increase.

1654
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:43,533
Was it

1655
01:25:44,967 --> 01:25:46,133
I don't remember the percentage.

1656
01:25:46,133 --> 01:25:49,066
It was about I feel like a 7 or $8000. Right.

1657
01:25:49,066 --> 01:25:49,967
Yeah.

1658
01:25:49,967 --> 01:25:53,133
So, costs were out of there.

1659
01:25:53,367 --> 01:25:57,100
And the other line that we, you'll see a increase

1660
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:00,200
in is, our,

1661
01:26:01,767 --> 01:26:04,767
programs, line 67100,

1662
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:08,033
we've had, over 20%

1663
01:26:08,033 --> 01:26:11,033
increase in attendance at programs.

1664
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,033
And this line reflects the ability to keep up with that.

1665
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:19,834
So this is what pays for a program that might come in, whether or not it's

1666
01:26:19,834 --> 01:26:24,900
for the speaker itself or it's for any of the,

1667
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:29,166
supplies needed for the projects or crafts associated with that.

1668
01:26:29,266 --> 01:26:32,166
But as I said, we're seeing such

1669
01:26:32,166 --> 01:26:35,166
an increase in, in the programs there is

1670
01:26:35,233 --> 01:26:38,233
it needed to reflect that also in the budget?

1671
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:42,433
And then we also have an increase in our electronic subscriptions.

1672
01:26:42,934 --> 01:26:47,033
That though is a little bit offset by the decrease.

1673
01:26:47,033 --> 01:26:51,433
So if you notice there's a decrease in 47 400,

1674
01:26:51,433 --> 01:26:54,967
which is books and publications of 11%,

1675
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,033
and then an increase in,

1676
01:26:58,033 --> 01:27:01,533
six nine, 200 electronic subscriptions.

1677
01:27:01,934 --> 01:27:05,934
Basically, we're just making sure that all of our electronic materials,

1678
01:27:05,934 --> 01:27:09,300
things that we buy that are digital, are in electronic subscription

1679
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:14,400
so that we're not mixing physical materials and electronic materials.

1680
01:27:15,333 --> 01:27:17,567
And Patty, did I miss anything that.

1681
01:27:17,567 --> 01:27:18,700
No, I wanted to highlight

1682
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:22,867
other than to say the increase in programing the program line.

1683
01:27:22,867 --> 01:27:26,934
Some of that increase came from the facilities maintenance line.

1684
01:27:26,934 --> 01:27:29,600
So that wasn't a pure increase.

1685
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:29,767
Yeah.

1686
01:27:29,767 --> 01:27:33,433
Some of that, some funds shifted down, I think $3,000.

1687
01:27:33,634 --> 01:27:36,634
We shifted $3,000 out of facility maintenance,

1688
01:27:37,634 --> 01:27:41,834
53 for 62, program.

1689
01:27:41,834 --> 01:27:46,100
So it was a basically a wash because we that would have been a 0%

1690
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:49,700
increase on that, facilities maintenance line.

1691
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,100
And we just moved $3,000. Now,

1692
01:27:53,166 --> 01:27:55,367
questions to ask a few questions.

1693
01:27:55,367 --> 01:27:57,233
Absolutely, sir.

1694
01:27:57,233 --> 01:27:59,900
Your part time wage has gone up 14%.

1695
01:27:59,900 --> 01:28:05,567
He explained that, 55 0100041150

1696
01:28:10,300 --> 01:28:11,500
There are no new positions.

1697
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,467
There are no changes in hours.

1698
01:28:13,467 --> 01:28:19,467
These were the figures that were there certain numbers that come to me, to us

1699
01:28:19,467 --> 01:28:23,767
when we're building a budget and wages and it are those numbers

1700
01:28:23,767 --> 01:28:24,967
that there were no changes.

1701
01:28:24,967 --> 01:28:29,233
Daniel, do you I hate to put you on the spot, but do you have a sense of.

1702
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,567
Yeah, that one doesn't make sense to me.

1703
01:28:31,567 --> 01:28:33,500
If we're just doing steps increases.

1704
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:35,000
Yeah. No, it's one step, right?

1705
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,000
Just a step. Freshman. Agreed.

1706
01:28:38,266 --> 01:28:40,133
And all staff would have been all right.

1707
01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:41,000
They're all the same. Right.

1708
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,300
You're not changing anybody out.

1709
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:44,166
Have it hire anybody new? Nope.

1710
01:28:44,166 --> 01:28:45,934
Then I think we should validate that line.

1711
01:28:45,934 --> 01:28:48,600
We're definitely looking to do a double check on that one.

1712
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:49,200
Okay.

1713
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,166
And then on,

1714
01:28:52,166 --> 01:28:56,266
the telecom line that went to zero.

1715
01:28:56,934 --> 01:28:57,333
Correct.

1716
01:28:57,333 --> 01:29:01,133
You said that that has now been split between

1717
01:29:01,133 --> 01:29:04,166
internet and mobile internet and mobile communications.

1718
01:29:04,166 --> 01:29:09,500
But if I look at that line and computer software and computer software. Yep.

1719
01:29:10,734 --> 01:29:11,700
If I look at those three

1720
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:16,033
lines, they are more than what we had allocated,

1721
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:19,834
in the default budget by a significant margin.

1722
01:29:19,834 --> 01:29:24,734
Let's just go ahead and say by almost $5,000 more. Not.

1723
01:29:26,634 --> 01:29:27,367
So let me show you.

1724
01:29:27,367 --> 01:29:28,900
Can I show you this quite yet?

1725
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:29,734
Yeah, please.

1726
01:29:29,734 --> 01:29:32,734
This is Brian.

1727
01:29:33,066 --> 01:29:37,700
Just sort of shows this is for this budget coming up.

1728
01:29:37,767 --> 01:29:38,900
So you have this line.

1729
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:40,166
Yep. Yep. That one.

1730
01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:42,634
It makes sense because it's similar to the others.

1731
01:29:42,634 --> 01:29:45,800
But then these three lines here which are supposed to be

1732
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,066
see this one here.

1733
01:29:47,066 --> 01:29:49,033
Yeah that's a year to date year to date.

1734
01:29:49,033 --> 01:29:51,367
But you had 9000 there.

1735
01:29:51,367 --> 01:29:54,800
But if I add up all of these it's about $5,000 more.

1736
01:29:56,667 --> 01:29:57,133
Right.

1737
01:29:57,133 --> 01:30:02,934
And I mean the, the are the accurate lines coming from

1738
01:30:02,934 --> 01:30:07,066
Brian that deal with our, but the internet lines

1739
01:30:07,066 --> 01:30:08,100
shouldn't be increasing

1740
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:08,734
because I think that's

1741
01:30:08,734 --> 01:30:12,133
an agreed upon contract that we have for like 3 or 5 years or something like that.

1742
01:30:12,133 --> 01:30:12,467
Derek.

1743
01:30:12,467 --> 01:30:14,100
Right on the internet side,

1744
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:17,800
it is and it should have gone down because we negotiated a lower price on it,

1745
01:30:18,834 --> 01:30:21,800
but this would have been, yeah.

1746
01:30:22,033 --> 01:30:26,467
So our, our, first light contracts are covered in that.

1747
01:30:26,467 --> 01:30:28,100
So if they're not I agree with that one.

1748
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:33,266
But Brian negotiated a good rate, this last go around, with the internet side.

1749
01:30:33,266 --> 01:30:38,100
So I'm trying to understand why it's way more than what it was before.

1750
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:41,734
Unless, like, some of these were sitting in another line item somewhere else there.

1751
01:30:41,834 --> 01:30:44,867
I think that might have been part of the the reasoning,

1752
01:30:45,033 --> 01:30:47,367
but I don't want to speak to it because I'm not as familiar.

1753
01:30:47,367 --> 01:30:51,233
I just think we need to be prepared to ask, okay, here we can,

1754
01:30:51,233 --> 01:30:55,967
we have to validate those numbers as well and, report back at the next meeting.

1755
01:30:56,734 --> 01:30:59,066
Yeah. Just so that way we are clear.

1756
01:30:59,066 --> 01:31:01,200
Like it was sitting in Derek's line previously.

1757
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,867
Right. It or something else.

1758
01:31:02,867 --> 01:31:05,000
But like, how did that come about. Okay.

1759
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:08,033
I mean overall the numbers are still good.

1760
01:31:08,033 --> 01:31:11,033
Like the 2% I think is great on the topics.

1761
01:31:11,567 --> 01:31:13,634
Now that makes sense.

1762
01:31:13,634 --> 01:31:16,800
In addition to that,

1763
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,800
we have one item in CIPA,

1764
01:31:20,667 --> 01:31:23,934
that is we'd like to move ahead

1765
01:31:23,934 --> 01:31:26,934
and that is $30,000,

1766
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:30,834
which is to help replace the Hvac system on the third floor.

1767
01:31:31,367 --> 01:31:34,834
So is that is that line item in here?

1768
01:31:34,834 --> 01:31:39,333
That is a part of the support that is on page 36.

1769
01:31:39,333 --> 01:31:42,333
Thank you.

1770
01:31:45,433 --> 01:31:48,166
So there's, facilities and repairs.

1771
01:31:48,166 --> 01:31:52,200
Line 53475 near the top.

1772
01:31:52,433 --> 01:31:54,700
So there's.

1773
01:31:54,700 --> 01:31:57,367
Okay.

1774
01:31:57,367 --> 01:31:58,300
So we,

1775
01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:02,600
had $20,000 in that, which was originally for our drainage.

1776
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,600
Which we are using,

1777
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:09,300
as part of the default budget for our, our new paving.

1778
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:14,667
And I would ask anybody that wants to go, oh, and, over the paving.

1779
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:18,100
And, Adam, if you back there at your team, it's fabulous.

1780
01:32:20,734 --> 01:32:22,200
But this is to

1781
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,200
replace the Hvac system, which is on the third floor.

1782
01:32:25,266 --> 01:32:28,767
I will say, in addition to that, we are working

1783
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:32,767
with utility companies to help New Hampshire Saves Energy survey done.

1784
01:32:33,433 --> 01:32:37,634
Which should be done before the Hvac system is replaced,

1785
01:32:37,634 --> 01:32:40,934
because we're really not sure how much longer we have

1786
01:32:41,867 --> 01:32:44,767
heating systems for all three floors.

1787
01:32:44,767 --> 01:32:46,533
So it's not one heating system.

1788
01:32:46,533 --> 01:32:52,567
It's each each floor is, and, this is only going

1789
01:32:52,567 --> 01:32:55,567
to cover the third floor and we don't really know.

1790
01:32:55,734 --> 01:32:59,767
Right now furnace, coverage,

1791
01:32:59,767 --> 01:33:02,767
warranties and things like that tell us we should be good,

1792
01:33:02,834 --> 01:33:05,634
but we are going to wait for the energy survey to

1793
01:33:05,634 --> 01:33:08,467
to fully clarify that.

1794
01:33:08,467 --> 01:33:09,834
There's the elevator repair fully.

1795
01:33:09,834 --> 01:33:12,500
Now, the elevator is repaired.

1796
01:33:12,500 --> 01:33:15,667
At the moment it is working fine.

1797
01:33:15,667 --> 01:33:19,567
And we will not have to, preheat the elevator.

1798
01:33:20,133 --> 01:33:23,033
They install a little heater.

1799
01:33:23,033 --> 01:33:28,133
I for that to keep the oil that had been when it was very cold out.

1800
01:33:28,133 --> 01:33:30,333
It would get thick and the elevator.

1801
01:33:30,333 --> 01:33:32,667
We have to go outside and bundle up

1802
01:33:32,667 --> 01:33:35,667
and go outside to the elevator room and hit the switch and wait a minute.

1803
01:33:35,967 --> 01:33:38,000
So that should not be happening.

1804
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,266
So that thought actually was a side benefit

1805
01:33:40,266 --> 01:33:42,433
of actually having to replace the other part.

1806
01:33:42,433 --> 01:33:43,266
We were able to have.

1807
01:33:43,266 --> 01:33:46,266
That part got at a very low cost compared to that.

1808
01:33:46,266 --> 01:33:48,867
Do we still need to talk about transferring funds on it?

1809
01:33:48,867 --> 01:33:51,333
Still, there? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

1810
01:33:51,333 --> 01:33:54,400
You mentioned the services have gone up

1811
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,500
like the number of people showing up, right.

1812
01:33:56,500 --> 01:33:58,600
Programs there.

1813
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,634
Do we have an increase in the number of people

1814
01:34:00,634 --> 01:34:04,100
that also have gotten memberships or anything like that as well? Yes.

1815
01:34:04,433 --> 01:34:04,700
Yeah.

1816
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:07,433
Let me take a look at what our I just think as the story goes through

1817
01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:10,066
and you talked about the budget Committee, I would start off with that.

1818
01:34:10,066 --> 01:34:13,467
We we normally by November will have an infographic,

1819
01:34:13,934 --> 01:34:20,300
worksheet that will indicate all of the types of usage that we have.

1820
01:34:20,300 --> 01:34:22,533
It's just not ready right now.

1821
01:34:22,533 --> 01:34:23,000
Right.

1822
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:28,400
Year to date, we're up about almost just under 8% in terms of library card holders.

1823
01:34:28,467 --> 01:34:28,767
Great.

1824
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:33,266
I'm just curious that

1825
01:34:33,266 --> 01:34:37,800
33%, I like electronic subscriptions to this aside

1826
01:34:37,867 --> 01:34:41,700
to buying more different subscriptions or is it just the cost of it?

1827
01:34:41,834 --> 01:34:44,400
It's just it's yeah, it's actually nothing new.

1828
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:49,567
And it would be fully funding hoopla back where it had been before.

1829
01:34:49,567 --> 01:34:53,533
We made some reductions during the, the, default year.

1830
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,166
So the plan would be to increase that back up

1831
01:34:57,166 --> 01:35:00,266
to default levels based on demand from the community.

1832
01:35:00,634 --> 01:35:04,100
And it also reflects the fact that we have those

1833
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:07,834
electronic, all electronic materials in that line.

1834
01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:09,333
I think club library.

1835
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:10,200
Right. So close.

1836
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,100
Wilde Library, some publications.

1837
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:16,433
And it's now moved down into the electronic subscriptions.

1838
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Thank you.

1839
01:35:20,433 --> 01:35:23,467
Anybody else?

1840
01:35:24,233 --> 01:35:27,233
There's also one other

1841
01:35:27,834 --> 01:35:32,500
last year we were, able to get a capital reserve

1842
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:36,233
fund established for, the library.

1843
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,734
And the library has expressed its interest to the select board and,

1844
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,934
funding, adding funding to that in this year.

1845
01:35:44,934 --> 01:35:50,634
And the budget as proposed right now, does have you a $60,000,

1846
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,834
request for,

1847
01:35:55,834 --> 01:35:58,834
additional funding for our, capital reserve fund

1848
01:35:59,233 --> 01:36:02,300
and that that's sort of that that's the right recommendation of staff.

1849
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:05,300
And the library board of trustees had a little bit of a different.

1850
01:36:05,433 --> 01:36:07,800
But what was the difference there?

1851
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:13,266
Our plan difference was just we were going to be looking at, multiple years.

1852
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:17,600
And this is making a larger payment

1853
01:36:18,900 --> 01:36:22,467
upfront as opposed to spreading it out over multiple.

1854
01:36:22,467 --> 01:36:27,433
Was the request, your side our request to to Derek was,

1855
01:36:27,433 --> 01:36:31,100
I believe, $103,000 a year for five years. Yes.

1856
01:36:31,567 --> 01:36:35,533
Each year in five years, we have approximately in the,

1857
01:36:35,533 --> 01:36:40,000
building plan matrix that we've been maintaining.

1858
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:45,066
And we keep posted on the library's website a little over $500,000

1859
01:36:45,066 --> 01:36:48,066
worth of known work that's either

1860
01:36:48,533 --> 01:36:51,900
repairs, improvements or historic

1861
01:36:52,634 --> 01:36:55,667
preservation items that need to be done to that building.

1862
01:36:55,967 --> 01:36:57,533
I miss things like number how much?

1863
01:36:57,533 --> 01:36:59,834
It's a little over $500,000.

1864
01:36:59,834 --> 01:37:01,433
500,000. Yeah.

1865
01:37:01,433 --> 01:37:05,133
So I mean, part of the whole reason of having the,

1866
01:37:05,133 --> 01:37:09,567
the CRF was that you would use that as a mechanism to try to get other funds,

1867
01:37:09,567 --> 01:37:14,867
and that's why the other projects that we have on that list are broken,

1868
01:37:15,066 --> 01:37:20,166
that some of those categories that these are building, we, repairs,

1869
01:37:20,567 --> 01:37:23,934
these are, improvements to the building that will help

1870
01:37:23,934 --> 01:37:27,367
with the library facilities or are offering our programs better.

1871
01:37:27,634 --> 01:37:29,834
And these are things that are historic preservation.

1872
01:37:29,834 --> 01:37:34,166
And, lines two and three tend to be the areas

1873
01:37:34,166 --> 01:37:37,533
where we would be able to get grants right now.

1874
01:37:37,533 --> 01:37:41,100
Our focus right now for grants is on getting

1875
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:45,467
a, preservation planning grant because,

1876
01:37:46,066 --> 01:37:50,000
getting additional funds through allyship and things like that.

1877
01:37:51,533 --> 01:37:53,166
To get more money, they're

1878
01:37:53,166 --> 01:37:57,133
now going to be looking for us to have a professional plan in place.

1879
01:37:57,166 --> 01:37:57,900
Okay.

1880
01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:02,000
So we are, in fact, exploring both options to get a grant

1881
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:05,133
to help us actually right at preservation,

1882
01:38:05,133 --> 01:38:08,133
planning plan type.

1883
01:38:08,133 --> 01:38:09,300
Okay. Cupid.

1884
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:11,333
Qualified. Present. Qualified. Present.

1885
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:12,200
Thank you.

1886
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:13,467
I knew what was in it.

1887
01:38:13,467 --> 01:38:16,467
They can be costly depending on how.

1888
01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:19,700
You know, we've been given a price, though, of,

1889
01:38:19,867 --> 01:38:22,600
it was under 10,000, so we're not sure where

1890
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:27,033
we're right now validating whether or not that is actually an accurate cost or not.

1891
01:38:28,166 --> 01:38:31,000
And that is going to be a key component

1892
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,667
in us being able to get additional funding moving forward.

1893
01:38:34,934 --> 01:38:36,734
Premature discussion.

1894
01:38:36,734 --> 01:38:39,734
Okay.

1895
01:38:40,567 --> 01:38:41,600
Great work.

1896
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,100
More nothing simple.

1897
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:44,166
Nothing is simple.

1898
01:38:44,166 --> 01:38:45,834
We have to get a plan to get a plan

1899
01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:48,300
and it might be a good time.

1900
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:51,600
Just a little extra plug for the elevator, if you don't mind me

1901
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,734
saying that it is a 30 year old elevator.

1902
01:38:54,734 --> 01:38:56,233
We have success.

1903
01:38:56,233 --> 01:38:59,333
Hopefully, repaired one of the parts in it,

1904
01:38:59,667 --> 01:39:02,734
and at any given time, a different part could go.

1905
01:39:02,734 --> 01:39:07,233
And so we have a pretty detailed estimate from, Stanley Elevator,

1906
01:39:07,834 --> 01:39:12,734
listing out all the other components and what the anticipated cost is.

1907
01:39:12,734 --> 01:39:16,200
So that's another thing, I think that's on the mind of everyone to that,

1908
01:39:17,166 --> 01:39:19,033
another part could go again.

1909
01:39:19,033 --> 01:39:21,867
And there are none of them are inexpensive.

1910
01:39:21,867 --> 01:39:24,600
The two pieces I worry the most about our elevator.

1911
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,300
Another part going and the Hvac system and it being unrepairable

1912
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:33,467
because right now they have to, kind of manufacture parts.

1913
01:39:33,634 --> 01:39:38,100
Parts for that Hvac system are no longer commercially available. So

1914
01:39:39,533 --> 01:39:40,500
are any of the

1915
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,433
costs that, you know, work for the elevator in that 500,000 a year?

1916
01:39:44,634 --> 01:39:46,200
Yes. Still, yes.

1917
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,700
So it's not in addition to not in a no, no, no, no.

1918
01:39:48,700 --> 01:39:51,700
We're we're basically trying to,

1919
01:39:52,567 --> 01:39:56,500
identify all those areas that need repairs.

1920
01:39:56,634 --> 01:40:00,800
Because while everybody is aware of the age of the building

1921
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,700
and things like that actually really tracking and, and,

1922
01:40:04,900 --> 01:40:09,066
and drilling down into how much things are going to cost

1923
01:40:09,667 --> 01:40:12,200
and then trying to make a plan around it,

1924
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,200
has been what's been missing. And,

1925
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:19,100
when I say we have the the plan of projects, it's

1926
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:22,433
also part of the reason for, capital reserve

1927
01:40:22,433 --> 01:40:25,467
funding across the board.

1928
01:40:26,433 --> 01:40:29,266
Deposits into that is not everything.

1929
01:40:29,266 --> 01:40:32,166
If somebody waved their magic wand, we still.

1930
01:40:32,166 --> 01:40:37,233
We wouldn't be able to do all $500,000 worth of work at the same time

1931
01:40:37,634 --> 01:40:41,734
because of how it would impact programs use this building.

1932
01:40:41,734 --> 01:40:45,867
So there's planning that has to go into what what things can be done,

1933
01:40:45,867 --> 01:40:49,600
that we could plan around versus what things do we have to do when we say

1934
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,200
people, I'm sorry, we have no elevator to the second and third floor.

1935
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:58,533
Okay.

1936
01:40:58,667 --> 01:41:00,266
Anything else

1937
01:41:00,266 --> 01:41:01,867
beyond that?

1938
01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:02,233
Thank you.

1939
01:41:02,233 --> 01:41:05,233
Thank you for that.

1940
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,834
Hey, Rick.

1941
01:41:16,834 --> 01:41:17,867
Quick.

1942
01:41:17,867 --> 01:41:18,233
Yeah?

1943
01:41:18,233 --> 01:41:21,233
Could you come up for one second?

1944
01:41:27,767 --> 01:41:29,166
But could you do the town

1945
01:41:29,166 --> 01:41:32,400
a service and just give us an update on the pickleball courts?

1946
01:41:32,567 --> 01:41:33,967
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

1947
01:41:33,967 --> 01:41:36,433
Coming along really good.

1948
01:41:36,433 --> 01:41:41,300
They just put a, acrylic

1949
01:41:41,300 --> 01:41:45,767
paint down on the asphalt, so I don't know if we'll get the paint.

1950
01:41:45,767 --> 01:41:49,600
The actual final surface in just getting pretty cold tonight.

1951
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:54,100
And, whether if we have some nice warm days in a row,

1952
01:41:54,634 --> 01:41:57,400
evening and day, he'll be able to get it in,

1953
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,400
but come along really good.

1954
01:42:01,033 --> 01:42:02,634
I like it. It looks nice.

1955
01:42:02,634 --> 01:42:05,800
You expect to be able people to be able to play on it this year, or

1956
01:42:05,834 --> 01:42:06,867
just wait till next year?

1957
01:42:06,867 --> 01:42:09,033
I would say count on next year.

1958
01:42:09,033 --> 01:42:10,200
But, you know, you may get

1959
01:42:11,166 --> 01:42:12,634
a couple weeks in this year.

1960
01:42:12,634 --> 01:42:15,533
Maybe, you know, you may.

1961
01:42:15,533 --> 01:42:16,800
Good. Okay. Thanks.

1962
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,000
Okay. That's it.

1963
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,433
Sorry about that.

1964
01:42:20,433 --> 01:42:23,433
Anybody have any old business?

1965
01:42:24,634 --> 01:42:27,300
Should we get an update on the bridge?

1966
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:30,567
And. Yeah, I do have a new business under me,

1967
01:42:31,166 --> 01:42:34,166
but then we'll see how the road that's being worked out.

1968
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,800
Not a lot of.

1969
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,200
Yeah, I've seen some chatter on that.

1970
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,767
I've actually not.

1971
01:42:39,767 --> 01:42:42,333
And there you go.

1972
01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:43,767
Hey. Yeah.

1973
01:42:43,767 --> 01:42:46,600
And we'll come back to the year of the bridge.

1974
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:47,967
Here on the bridge seems like everywhere.

1975
01:42:47,967 --> 01:42:49,500
Not just time to so I don't.

1976
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:50,400
Oh yeah. It's so bad.

1977
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,700
But my goodness this is the worst.

1978
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:55,700
Everybody's at least stayed on all four wheels on ours.

1979
01:42:56,166 --> 01:42:59,900
Okay, so, no particular order, but I'll take mine a lot of first

1980
01:42:59,900 --> 01:43:03,767
since that was pretty, preexisting project is wrapping up.

1981
01:43:04,467 --> 01:43:05,433
So contractor

1982
01:43:05,433 --> 01:43:08,867
John Neville did finish a little bit earlier than, originally anticipated.

1983
01:43:08,867 --> 01:43:09,734
Which is great.

1984
01:43:09,734 --> 01:43:11,500
They were able to get it paved in,

1985
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:14,233
pretty short notice after the final backfill were done.

1986
01:43:14,233 --> 01:43:16,600
So mine alone is paid back in.

1987
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,533
Reopened to traffic as of last week.

1988
01:43:19,533 --> 01:43:23,000
There are some punch list items for, you know, landscaping, grass

1989
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,200
establishment, that sort of thing

1990
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,200
that we won't close out the full project until those things are done.

1991
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:28,867
But, yeah, I'm pretty.

1992
01:43:28,867 --> 01:43:30,800
Well, no major hiccups.

1993
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,934
Flow, as they saw over there can vary quite a bit.

1994
01:43:33,934 --> 01:43:37,634
There's a few things upstream that impact how much water goes through that culvert.

1995
01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:40,533
But, by and large, it flows.

1996
01:43:40,533 --> 01:43:44,433
And they, they, weathered a few of those higher discharge events pretty well.

1997
01:43:45,367 --> 01:43:47,100
So pretty happy with the project.

1998
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:49,333
Time will tell, obviously, but it's a pretty hefty structure,

1999
01:43:49,333 --> 01:43:52,367
so it should outlast all of us for sure around this table.

2000
01:43:53,567 --> 01:43:56,333
And never did a great job as as usual.

2001
01:43:56,333 --> 01:44:00,367
The big outstanding thing, on that project is still awaiting

2002
01:44:00,367 --> 01:44:04,900
word from FEMA about the, project budget request.

2003
01:44:05,333 --> 01:44:06,300
As you might recall,

2004
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:10,033
we had requested an increase in the grant amount because the bids came back

2005
01:44:10,033 --> 01:44:13,934
higher than in 2022, or we had anticipated the project cost.

2006
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,033
So as soon as we hear back from that,

2007
01:44:17,033 --> 01:44:20,100
that will release a little bit of fun to play over with us.

2008
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:23,100
So the bid came in,

2009
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,367
around $95,000, higher than,

2010
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:29,700
the 2022 grant request had been.

2011
01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:35,000
So, that was the amount that we sort of, carved out from the road plan to say,

2012
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,000
in case we have to front this whole thing as a town of a piece, it'll

2013
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:38,800
be that amount. So,

2014
01:44:41,834 --> 01:44:42,900
You never know, really,

2015
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:46,367
when FEMA kind of gets involved, the timeline or anything.

2016
01:44:46,967 --> 01:44:51,433
But, HSM seemed to think it was kind of a no brainer to have the money available.

2017
01:44:51,433 --> 01:44:53,133
There's only a couple of projects in the state

2018
01:44:53,133 --> 01:44:58,033
that actually proceeded from that 2022, grant availability were one of them.

2019
01:44:58,033 --> 01:44:59,900
We were one of the fastest to get to the table.

2020
01:44:59,900 --> 01:45:03,100
So from what they're saying, it's a good chance we'll get it.

2021
01:45:03,100 --> 01:45:06,100
But until it's we don't know until it's actually done, we don't know when.

2022
01:45:06,634 --> 01:45:09,367
I'll have to talk with Zach and Danielle and Derek about what happens

2023
01:45:09,367 --> 01:45:12,367
at end of fiscal year if,

2024
01:45:12,667 --> 01:45:14,300
they haven't decided yet.

2025
01:45:14,300 --> 01:45:17,767
And then do we encumber or can we encumber,

2026
01:45:17,967 --> 01:45:21,100
you know, local funds for that release the fund balance

2027
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:23,867
if it doesn't come to pass or how that works. Right.

2028
01:45:23,867 --> 01:45:27,333
Or and so we won't know until the project's completed

2029
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,400
is that, they at any time

2030
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,934
could approve the increase in, the,

2031
01:45:35,934 --> 01:45:37,533
the grant funds amount.

2032
01:45:37,533 --> 01:45:39,700
So we could be the populace could be done.

2033
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:41,967
There could be no, no more work at all.

2034
01:45:41,967 --> 01:45:44,166
These could close out their end of the project.

2035
01:45:44,166 --> 01:45:46,433
HCM could close it out.

2036
01:45:46,433 --> 01:45:49,433
And then it would just be, you know, whatever FEMA decides to,

2037
01:45:50,066 --> 01:45:50,734
you know, give way.

2038
01:45:50,734 --> 01:45:52,433
So if there's like a, like, say

2039
01:45:52,433 --> 01:45:55,233
we have to be complete before we apply it, but yeah.

2040
01:45:55,233 --> 01:45:57,367
Okay. How

2041
01:45:57,367 --> 01:46:00,200
so it's kind of a oddball thing,

2042
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,967
but nothing about the CIP grant project has been straightforward.

2043
01:46:02,967 --> 01:46:05,967
But yeah, it's a good, good problem to have, I guess.

2044
01:46:07,266 --> 01:46:07,600
Okay.

2045
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:12,100
So, with once a loan, a road being reopened that allows us

2046
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:15,433
some more flexibility with the upcoming Hill Road bridge project.

2047
01:46:15,667 --> 01:46:20,400
The past couple of weeks, have been spent, meeting with the,

2048
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,834
consultant engineer for the precast, to verify

2049
01:46:23,834 --> 01:46:26,133
they came to town, verified our bridge abutments are good to go.

2050
01:46:26,133 --> 01:46:29,767
I think actually giving me that update already, but,

2051
01:46:29,767 --> 01:46:32,767
So then there's been a lot of back and forth with the final design about,

2052
01:46:33,066 --> 01:46:36,900
how those abutments get modified to accept the change

2053
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:39,300
from a steel girders to now the precast,

2054
01:46:40,467 --> 01:46:41,734
planks.

2055
01:46:41,734 --> 01:46:45,867
So, there's some very minor mods that have to happen once we close the road

2056
01:46:45,867 --> 01:46:48,900
and, demo the existing steel structure.

2057
01:46:49,767 --> 01:46:52,066
Right now, the, the,

2058
01:46:52,066 --> 01:46:55,500
as of, about 2:00 this afternoon, the shop drawings

2059
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:58,500
and the bridge design by the consultant have been stamped.

2060
01:46:58,934 --> 01:47:02,934
So that allows the precast to now form those planks.

2061
01:47:02,934 --> 01:47:05,834
And that starts the clock as far as their availability.

2062
01:47:05,834 --> 01:47:07,066
I'm.

2063
01:47:07,066 --> 01:47:09,500
They haven't given me this officially yet, but I'm going to guess

2064
01:47:09,500 --> 01:47:12,500
the first I'm going to remember is probably when we can anticipate those

2065
01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:15,500
to show up on site based on, approval today.

2066
01:47:16,533 --> 01:47:21,767
The, trick now is how having never

2067
01:47:22,834 --> 01:47:27,066
demolished and had a contractor cut this particular abutment,

2068
01:47:27,066 --> 01:47:31,133
and I don't want to close the road and take the bridge way too early.

2069
01:47:31,133 --> 01:47:33,734
But I also definitely do not want to be in a position

2070
01:47:33,734 --> 01:47:36,767
because so late in the season, especially where we're scrambling

2071
01:47:36,767 --> 01:47:39,934
and not ready for those when planks are ready for delivery.

2072
01:47:39,934 --> 01:47:43,834
So, right now we're talking about, mid to late next week

2073
01:47:44,066 --> 01:47:47,000
as a possibility of, of doing the official closure.

2074
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:52,066
Now that the monument detour is open, it's not it's not terrible.

2075
01:47:52,066 --> 01:47:53,033
It's pretty quick detour.

2076
01:47:54,367 --> 01:47:57,333
But that will give us at least three weeks to,

2077
01:47:57,367 --> 01:48:01,166
to do the full demo and prep those abutments and then.

2078
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:03,567
So how are we going to react to traffic?

2079
01:48:03,567 --> 01:48:07,600
So the detour for that project is, if you're heading, northeast,

2080
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,700
you get to black Brook, you'll take black Brook, to east on Barton.

2081
01:48:11,734 --> 01:48:13,500
We don't want to push everybody on Poplar Road.

2082
01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:16,500
It's a kind of a smaller road, but, I think people in the know

2083
01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:17,233
will take Pollard.

2084
01:48:17,233 --> 01:48:18,867
And people have taken the official detour.

2085
01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:21,500
Will black Brook to East Dunbar and,

2086
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:24,500
and then, coming the other way.

2087
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:27,000
Tomorrow on a rather so black brook East

2088
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,000
Barton model will be the, the wraparound path model.

2089
01:48:30,033 --> 01:48:32,400
It takes you back to the top of Terrell Hill.

2090
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,200
And then the opposite from the other direction.

2091
01:48:36,767 --> 01:48:38,834
Right from the model on a detour.

2092
01:48:38,834 --> 01:48:41,900
I can't recall how long it is, but it's not very, you know,

2093
01:48:42,700 --> 01:48:45,100
I think the overall length is a mile and a half or something like that

2094
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:48,900
compared to obviously, the summers major crossing on that.

2095
01:48:48,934 --> 01:48:51,934
Yeah, it's been scattered quite.

2096
01:48:52,166 --> 01:48:54,033
So, so that's kind of the game we're in now.

2097
01:48:54,033 --> 01:48:58,734
Until I get a hard date, I'm a little hesitant to close, but I also,

2098
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:03,033
like I said, it, I mean, there's not a ton of traffic going over there now.

2099
01:49:03,033 --> 01:49:06,900
I think, Terrell Hill is like 1500 cars a day, maybe ten walnuts.

2100
01:49:07,033 --> 01:49:10,767
You know, a lot of local back and forth to, of course.

2101
01:49:11,734 --> 01:49:14,567
But we also need the schools know that it's coming,

2102
01:49:14,567 --> 01:49:18,900
but we need to be able to give them some, some notice that they it's coming up.

2103
01:49:19,834 --> 01:49:24,300
One of our, our town engineers, child, bus driver has been asking him,

2104
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:25,634
so they're in the now and,

2105
01:49:25,634 --> 01:49:29,600
the, the direct line to our town engineer, which is kind of funny, but, we'll,

2106
01:49:31,634 --> 01:49:34,033
we'll get the,

2107
01:49:34,033 --> 01:49:36,634
concrete cutting contractor lined up.

2108
01:49:36,634 --> 01:49:38,500
So that'll be good to go.

2109
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:41,500
And the there's a couple of trees that have to be removed

2110
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:44,734
for the the crane that's going to be setting these, planks there.

2111
01:49:44,734 --> 01:49:47,634
Don't you know, dead or hazard type pines.

2112
01:49:47,634 --> 01:49:50,634
Anyway, so we've already met with landowners on that.

2113
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:52,834
There is some guardrail work.

2114
01:49:52,834 --> 01:49:56,100
So we've, now that we've got the,

2115
01:49:56,700 --> 01:49:59,900
finished our plans, we can get those to the guardrail, supplier.

2116
01:49:59,900 --> 01:50:02,900
So they make sure they have the right, posts. But

2117
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:05,934
in general, it's a pretty,

2118
01:50:05,934 --> 01:50:09,133
it's a lot less complex of a bridge in the end than something

2119
01:50:09,133 --> 01:50:11,100
like every bridge with the truss style.

2120
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:13,033
So how long do we think it will take once we start?

2121
01:50:14,166 --> 01:50:15,000
Is the question.

2122
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,834
So, there are some cure times for grout.

2123
01:50:17,834 --> 01:50:20,000
There's some grouting of the connections that has to happen.

2124
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,000
So if each of these planks gets,

2125
01:50:23,533 --> 01:50:26,567
crowded together, and, and post tensioned.

2126
01:50:26,567 --> 01:50:29,033
So they're all pretty stressed beams, but then they get post tension

2127
01:50:29,033 --> 01:50:31,934
the other direction after they're set in place.

2128
01:50:31,934 --> 01:50:34,100
So that can all happen pretty quick.

2129
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:36,967
Is the grout supposed to cure for,

2130
01:50:36,967 --> 01:50:40,467
the waterproofing membrane contractor prefers the seven day

2131
01:50:40,467 --> 01:50:43,700
cure time, but we may massage that a little bit. But,

2132
01:50:44,934 --> 01:50:47,934
then as soon as waterproofing is done, usually you can pay the next day.

2133
01:50:47,934 --> 01:50:53,133
At this particular time, and our favorite contractor, continental.

2134
01:50:53,133 --> 01:50:53,934
Is that.

2135
01:50:53,934 --> 01:50:56,300
So this is going to be a late season, highly critical thing.

2136
01:50:56,300 --> 01:50:58,400
So they'll be ready. So as long as we don't get a

2137
01:50:59,467 --> 01:51:02,333
bout of snow or something like that, you know, sort.

2138
01:51:02,333 --> 01:51:03,166
So we're thinking a couple weeks.

2139
01:51:03,166 --> 01:51:07,667
So yeah, I would, you know, to be safe, I'd plan for two weeks post delivery.

2140
01:51:08,133 --> 01:51:12,166
So it could be about a five week closure if we close three weeks prior to delivery.

2141
01:51:13,567 --> 01:51:16,266
So that's kind of a

2142
01:51:16,266 --> 01:51:19,266
that's a great assumption.

2143
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:23,166
We don't think there's, it's tough to fully, assess

2144
01:51:23,166 --> 01:51:26,734
what's going on with the concrete abutment that's underneath the steel sections,

2145
01:51:26,734 --> 01:51:30,000
which is, of course, where they take the most water in the crushing activity.

2146
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,333
But, for the most part, the rest of the concrete looks okay.

2147
01:51:33,333 --> 01:51:35,400
We're not seeing a lot of spalling or chipping or cracking.

2148
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,700
So that leads us to, once we pull the steel off,

2149
01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:39,567
we will have some crazy surprise.

2150
01:51:39,567 --> 01:51:42,934
But it's a very fairly basic, cast in place concrete structure.

2151
01:51:42,934 --> 01:51:46,000
So, should be able to that timeline will allow us

2152
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,300
to do any of those concrete prayers as well. The same time.

2153
01:51:51,300 --> 01:51:53,300
With, you know, possibly.

2154
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:53,600
Okay.

2155
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:54,100
Thank you.

2156
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:57,100
Thanks.

2157
01:51:58,467 --> 01:51:58,900
Okay.

2158
01:51:58,900 --> 01:51:59,734
Action. Maybe.

2159
01:51:59,734 --> 01:52:02,000
So any questions?

2160
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,000
Comments?

2161
01:52:05,433 --> 01:52:06,266
Good.

2162
01:52:06,266 --> 01:52:08,934
Okay.

2163
01:52:08,934 --> 01:52:10,266
And we'll open up once again

2164
01:52:10,266 --> 01:52:13,266
for public comment.

2165
01:52:13,767 --> 01:52:14,800
Seeing and hearing.

2166
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,333
No one will close public comments at this time.

2167
01:52:19,867 --> 01:52:20,900
Okay.

2168
01:52:20,900 --> 01:52:22,900
So we have a

2169
01:52:22,900 --> 01:52:25,500
okay, okay okay.

2170
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:27,033
Motion. Motion to adjourn.

2171
01:52:27,033 --> 01:52:30,033
Second motion by Josh.

2172
01:52:30,367 --> 01:52:33,600
My favor I see you.

2173
01:52:35,233 --> 01:52:36,667
Thanks GTV