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Bring this regular open council meeting of today, September 1st to order.

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I guess it's welcome to September, and

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The summer season is kind of almost done. Now it's the shoulder season.

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a live video audio feed is being broadcast recorded by Zoom and is available on the town of Golden Youtube page.

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We have Councilors Hambrook and Dale attending remotely. We're expecting Councilor Cooper to zoom in at some point in time, hopefully.

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So with that, and the rest of council are on the table and senior leadership team is around the table.

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With that, I'll start that for thousands of years the abundance at the Earth's lands and waters provided us to live, work, and play

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is due to the ecological wisdom, stewardship, and reciprocal relationship to the world's first peoples have lived and lived today.

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I'd like to begin by acknowledging that the land on which we gather is the shared ancestral territory of the Ktunaxa and the Secwépemc people. Golden is also home to the Métis Nation, Columbia River Society

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Another diverse Indigenous heritage. We're grateful to have the opportunity to live, work, and play in this territory.

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With that

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Ms. Bill, are there any late items? There are no late items today. Thank you for that. So Council will move to item three, which is the adoption of the Meeting Agenda as presented and move a mover. Councilor Rowley, one seconder. Councilor Guillo.

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All those in favor?

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Opposed?

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Carried unanimously

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And we have the adoption of the minutes of the last regular open council meeting that was held on August 18th Councilman from mover of those minutes. Councilor Grio, seconded by Councilor Manuel.

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Council any errors or missions in those minutes.

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Seeing hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed?

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Carried unanimously.

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And Council, is there any business arising from those minutes? Councilor Rowley.

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Thank you, Mayor. With respect to tourism Golden's delegation and and the request made by Andy Brownley, Executive Director with the clarity of the report and the the request made by Andy on the 18th

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I was hoping we could move forward with providing council's assent, and I have some draft language made and just like that, there it is. The council supports the continuation of the 3% municipal and regional district tax MRDT for five years beginning July 1st, 2027

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And the Council provides a letter confirming its support with Tourism Golden continuing as the designated recipient of the MRDT.

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Israeli, I think just a follow up and thanks to Andy for the report and the great work that Tourism Golden is doing as our destination marketing and management organization. And just noting that this language

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directly follows that, which was adopted by the regional district board not too long ago either.

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Thank you for that. Any other comments?

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Seeing hearing none, I'll call the question. All those in favor?

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Opposed?

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Carried unanimously

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Thank you for that. Now we'll move on to correspondence. Item 7A that the items of external correspondence be received. Look for a mover. Councilor Rowley, seconded by Councilor Guillo.

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Sorry, I missed you, Councilor Dale there. I'll catch you next time.

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All those in favor?

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Opposed?

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Carried unanimously.

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And the first one is a reminder from MLA

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Scott McInnis with regards to his invite to set up meeting with him while we're at UBCM.

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When we last had that communication, we did not know if we had other meetings when they were. So I understand we now have that information. So if there's a desire

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by council to meet with MLA specifically

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Or as has been practiced in many other instances of the years at UBCM is we've actually brought the MLA with us to some of our ministerial meetings

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Councilor Emanuel.

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I'd like to meet with him

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But also, I think it could be done here just as well, because I think I'm not looking for help in advocating a single thing

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I'd like to, he's proven helpful to one of the other major projects in our community. I'd like to have a discussion with him, because

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Many of the things which are priorities for us are priorities up and down the Columbia Valley. So I'd just like to get together with them and find out how we could help us, when he might be able to help us. This kind of thing, establish a relationship

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Thank you for that. My take on that is that you have no desire to meet with him at UBCM, but to continue the opportunity to meet with him locally. And he has been here a number of times.

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Council Rutley. Thank you, Mayor. I will take the

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Well, not the inverse, but I would think that there, or I do think that there is benefit in

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Meeting with Emily McInnis either, you know in this short period before Ubcm or in Vancouver at Ubcm to brief

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To either brief him or to otherwise invite him to tag along into our meeting so that he can continue advocating on the community's behalf in Victoria.

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We're lucky as we'll hear in the CAO's report with our minister meeting. So I can't imagine Emily McInnis has all that time to join with us, but to provide briefs for all of the topics that we're going to UBCM for

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would, I think, be beneficial.

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Thank you for those comments.

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Councillor Guill

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Yeah, I think it would be best to

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Right back and and give them the topics that we're going to be discussing and ask them that instead of us meeting with them, that if we would like him to accompany us

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and we could tell them which which meetings that it would work for

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So you're suggesting that our communication with the MLA be in writing with the backgrounders for those

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files that we want to… we want to invite him to UBCM with us, is that correct? I think the idea for that is that he would be more prepared then.

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If he does have an opportunity and maybe he could do some talking before those meetings as well.

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Okay, thank you for that.

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Any thoughts?

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Yeah, yeah, thank you. I think yeah, fully support the direction from Councilor Guillo and certainly I think just leaving the option open that if there are any topics that Emily McInnis would

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would have loved to have joined us for, but isn't available to, that, you know, if he wants to

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Meet with us while we're in Vancouver, then, you know, we can, we can discuss those topics, and yeah, be great. Thank you for that. I also am supportive of providing the information in a written format, so he has time to digest it, and then be able to have the conversation

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As far as his timetable, our timetable, and which ones are relevant for his attendance.

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We'll follow up on that. We'll take that as direction as opposed to a resolution.

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Okay, thank you for that.

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So now we move on to informational items.

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First one is from the city of New Westminster advocating that provincial legislation requiring housing targets or density

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to be tied to infrastructure funding.

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And they've attached copies of letters from the city to

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John, well, David Eby, Honorable Christine Boyle, a bunch of MLAs advocating that the provincial legislation requiring

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Housing targets are density be tied again to that infrastructure funding.

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It's an information item

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Move on to the next one

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As soon as it pops up here

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And this was a response from the vice chair of the

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Accessibility Advisory Committee.

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And that's in response to a letter submitted by the City of Salmon Arm.

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Quickly

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The advisory committee received the public correspondence submitted to the City of Salmon Arm

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And then the classes that encourages municipalities and regional districts to consider incorporating accessibility requirements at the early stages of development and application processes

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Bit of information there.

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And the next one is

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From the city of Prince George.

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Requesting support

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For the northern and rural homeowners grant. In the background on this is that

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The regular grant for homeowners is $570 for the rural and northern

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Residents, it's bumped up to $770.

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Effective 2027 and subsequent taxation years, the additional $200 Northern and rural homeowner benefit will be repealed

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So there's a massive change

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We received subsequent correspondence from the city of Prince George asking for, was it letters of support?

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So this is an action item if we should so desire, put in a letter of support for this action.

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And I'll go on to the last one and then we can come back.

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Yeah, I think the last one was an invite

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To attend the UBCM 2026 Conservative Caucus Roundtable and reception and the information is there with regards to the date and time.

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So council, is there any desire to bring in these items forward?

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I would speak in favor of bringing forward a letter of support for the Prince George

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to maintain the rural and northern

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I wanted to call it a subsidy, but the grant at $770

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So I'd make that in the form of a motion. Councilor Manuel second the motion.

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Any desire to speak to the motion, Council?

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Councilor Manuel.

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Prince George is a fairly big city, so I think of that and I don't. But there's also so much more to the northern BC. And I do believe they have higher expenses just living up there. So I think this is a reasonable thing to do.

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$200 additional homeowners grant is available to everybody else in BC except Capital, Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Valley Regional Districts. So we all actually get it. Yeah. And you'll see that on your tax notices each year

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So this is speaking on our behalf also. Yeah.

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Speaking in favor of the motion, I hear that. Any other discussion?

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If not, all those in favor of the motion.

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carried unanimously

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Council, is there anything else from the informational items that you'd like to bring forward?

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If not, then we'll go on to item 7D, which is at the I'm looking for a motion at the items of outgoing correspondence be acknowledged.

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Councilor Rowley moving that. Councillor Manuel seconding that motion.

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And this was a letter under my signature of the Office of the mayor

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For some local residents who have been going through the

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The immigration process and application process

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For now on seven years. These are folks who have shifted careers to meet the requirements of the programs, the immigration programs, and had to shift careers. I understand two or three times.

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So, the information's there. Just to let you know that that's gone out

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Moving on, we're on to reports from Council. Any council reports of activities since the last meeting, which was a short 2 weeks ago.

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Councillor Manuel.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much again. I received the recent Silkirk Innovates newsletter, as many of you may have as well, dealing with climate change measures and shared it with the Climate Caucus

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Executive director, because an article

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Introducing the business and nonprofit hub. And I took out a sentence from there saying the walkthrough shows how climate action starts with small changes and doesn't always mean big investment

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I share this with Climate Caucus because while Circuit College is regional, Climate Caucus goes, as they say, from ocean to ocean to ocean, yes. And may be able to put it to use and spread the news if it's good news and good

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Something we might emulate.

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I did that. Yeah.

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Thank you for that. Any questions of Councillor Emanuel?

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Any other council reports?

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Okay, then you… My turn. On the 18th, along with members of Council attended the Aquatics open house at the Civic Center. There was a good turnout.

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The one consistent thing I heard was questions about why there was no leisure aquatics

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Did I just share that? That was the one thing that kept coming to me from folks in attendance

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On the 19th, along with Director Cathcart and CAO Denigar, I attended a Zoom meeting with City West.

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On the 20th, I tended the

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C2CI or the Columbus Regional District. My typing was off

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board meeting

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I provided

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Fuller report to Council with all the background information.

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But we'll note for the public a couple of items

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The board, the CSUD board supported the Economic Opportunity Fund resolutions that the town had previously supported, and that was for Golden Food Bank and Golden Community Economic Development.

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Tourism Golden was also looking for support for their DMO renewal. As they presented to Council and they received the resolution of support from the CSRD as noted by Councilor Rowley.

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The CSDA also established a committee to review director remuneration

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And that committee brought forward a recommendation to the board on remuneration increases

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There was much discussion in the resolution was passed

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Another item of interest is the request from the fire insurance underwriters

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For local governments to complete a survey that establishes the readiness of each of the fire departments

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Relative to wildfire urban interface events.

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This item was hotly discussed. And great concern was expressed that this information that with this information, the insurance companies might not be willing to provide adequate insurance coverage should an area not have appropriate response readiness

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A big part of the concern is that the CSOD's fire departments

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As many of our fire departments are structural fire suppression departments, not wildfire urban interface departments

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It was felt that this is in fact a download from the province onto local governments for the provision of wildfire

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Bio equipment, wildland fire equipment, and firefighters.

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As has been in the past

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The CSRD did note that they have 400 paid on-call firefighters and 60 pieces of apparatus that could be called upon, recognizing that the priority is their mandated areas

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This is a resource that the province is calling upon more and more each year, as was evidenced by the data that was provided by the CSGD staff.

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Also on the 24th, along with Director Cathcourt, I met with Larry Sparks from Golden Community Economic Development and the C2CI project.

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Can you confidence initiative. And they'll be bringing it forward a report to Council

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Also, Matt Director Cathcart and I met with Mel from the Chamber of Commerce office with an update on their recent activities.

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And the plan moving forward, and it was noted that the job description was being drafted at that time

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On the 27th, did the agenda review with staff, albeit we missed one item. Thank you, Councilor Rowley. Also attended the Wildfire safety meeting at the Senior Center, which was well attended.

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Provided people with an opportunity to

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Register on the Alertable app and pre-register for the evacuation center. What was the stat?

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Anyways, pre-register for your evacuation center information so that

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Those folks would have it. I can't remember what it was called.

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And that was it.

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Any questions? Councilor Manuel.

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I just want to take a

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Jacob, what you're just speaking about, I was at the same meeting as were other councillors, and

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At the end of the meeting, I ended up with the mayor chatting with our fire chief, you know, as you will, and I was asking him, because I know

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The new fire trucks, the main ones, they're getting longer, and I know this, and I was kind of curious, because I was wondering

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They tend to park them one in, and then the other one folds it in, you know, and I was wondering how well that's working, because as the trucks get fire trucks get larger and longer, our fire hole doesn't do the same

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So it was interesting, and I think our mayor found it the same, that when they do take the fire truck out, they don't drive straight out. They drive at a diagonal. So the Ford hitting the wall. And which was kind of concerning

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Because one of the key things on an emergency response is to get out there as quick as you can, so I hope

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Going out diagonally doesn't take any very much longer.

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Interesting.

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I would add that the first key item is getting out safely.

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Okay, with that, any other questions? If not, we will move on to

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Verbal update from the Chief Administrative Officer

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. I have emailed all of you this just before the meeting. Feel free to interrupt or ask questions at the end.

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So for myself, I took a vacation in order to keep this update as short as possible

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Do you remember the last 2.

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Because parched, so I bought a drink. So updates from corporate services and communications are very much affecting you as council. We've received UBCM Minister Meeting confirmations. We were successful in every single one of them

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Many of them are at 8 am, so no partying. Some days are packed, and I think packages have been handed out to you prior to this meeting with the schedules. So please put those in your calendars.

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Coordination will occur between staff and each of you leading the topics. So obviously you did a very good job of summarizing them to get all these yeses. But we may want to flesh them out and strategize how we're going to spend those 15 min best as possible.

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Noting as well that we were successful in our Sun Peaks was successful in getting Minister of Finance meeting, which we're going in with them, so it'll actually be a subset of us, because we can't all fit in the room together. So there's CAO, Mayor, and one designated councilor from each of these three municipalities to talk about a couple topics which you'll see there

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in the list.

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So yeah, a lot of legwork we're going to be doing over the next week and a half.

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Keep your emails open

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And we may meet in person as necessary to go over the topics. So get ready for a flurry of meeting invites from me.

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Finance and administration has been busy working on the draft budget and 5-year financial plan. It's in development with initial project meetings held with senior staff. And work planning is starting soon.

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Also on the go in that department is an updated procurement policy, which is being circulated for finalization. It's to modernize it and streamline our procurement so that we can actually make better, faster decisions.

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especially with the challenges of procurement nowadays.

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That's just some highlights of course. Finance is always busy.

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In planning and development, six staff members in planning and other departments attended the Canadian Planning Institute's webinar on streamlining the planning approvals Process Lessons from Practice

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This is helping set the stage for internal development application improvement, which is a project underway over the next year and a half with our planning and development department.

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Also of note, DCC bylaw has been sent to the province for approval prior to Council consideration for adoption.

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In protective services and the fire department, 9 members of our crew just finished the confined space rescue operations training. Congratulations to them.

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It significantly improves our rescue abilities for confined spaces and technical rope rescue. So if you think of anywhere along the highway there, that's technical rope rescue.

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Over public works, fall operational preparations are underway. Well 7 construction work is set to commence within the week

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And this is a new word I learned this afternoon. Good night. I don't know how to pronounce that reservoir ROV cleaning and Bears Paul Reservoir training are occurring.

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The week of September 21st.

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Pine Drive sanitary sewer main work is ongoing and nearing completion. And presently, for those who don't already know, there is a boil water notice for the North Bench residents and businesses as a result of some minor damage to an adjacent water main occurring yesterday afternoon

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the construction going around there

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Don't think it's a major concern, considering the nature of it, but to be safe, the boil water notice is in effect, and they're doing ongoing quality sampling to make sure that everything's good before they lift that boil water notice. That information is available on our website, our social media

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I think some sandwich boards got out for the neighborhood. Of course, word of mouth happened quick.

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But do check our official website, golden.ca. There's a big banner across the top with information about what happened, as well as a link to how to properly boil your water long enough, so that it's actually safe

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Sewer slip lining work is scheduled for next week. It's again to help reduce the infiltration from groundwater.

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Give our system a little bit more life.

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And the youth mural camp artwork is a fun one will be affixed to the town hall generator just out that way. The morning of the 15th, and a reveal is planned for 4 Pm. That day, I think the 15th is that a Tuesday? So Tuesday 2 weeks from now

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So everyone's welcome to come out for that big reveal of a very fun mural.

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And last but not least, recreation Services, golden swimming pool wraps up the operational season on September 6th, five days from now, so 5 more days to get your swim on

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Golden District Area Ice Pad open for the season on August 21st.

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Summer camps program has wrapped up. It was successful and a lot of the kinks were worked out this year. So operationally, it was quite smooth.

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Recplex programming during September is minimal as programming ramps up for mid-October.

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And construction and service tie-in work for the new washroom building at White Tooth Legacy Recplex Park. If you've had a look there, it's pretty obvious a lot of fencing over the road there. So they're tying in services for that building, and that'll be ongoing until late October.

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Happy to take any questions.

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Thank you, Ms. Dinegar. Council, any questions, Ms. Dendergaard?

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I actually have one with regards to protective services and the confined space rescue.

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Training, do you know if that was in partnership with PWT as has been

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happening historically in the past

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I know they've been working with them closely on the training and the agreements, but I'm not sure in this particular case if it was done in conjunction with them, but I could find out and email you. Thank you for that.

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Anything else, Council? If not, then we'll move on to the next item in the agenda.

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Which is 10 AB time observance and golden nerier

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And as soon as it pops up here, we have a staff report from Mr. Denegar

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Sir, start us off

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Thank you very much. It is now 7:27

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3 standard time.

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So yeah, so as I think everyone's well aware, but I'll cover it off here is that the province announced that the majority of the province would stay on permanent daylight saving time

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You can use UTC minus 7 if you wish. As I wrote this report, I kept referring back to UTC because that was the only thing that I could

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focus my brain on. So the province is staying on daylight saving time with no return to standard time in November when the time would typically change

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This was enacted through a change in the Interpretation Act. That's how we do it here in BC.

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There is some clauses in the Local Government Act and the Community Charter that affect regional districts and us as a municipality in this particular part of the province, they've carved out that authority for municipalities and regional districts who have

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traditionally observed time differently than the rest of the province. So it is up to the regional districts such as RDEC and CSRD and ourselves as a municipality to determine whether or not we

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Continue doing what we've always been doing with the time changes. Or that we go permanently towards Pacific time or align ourselves with Alberta.

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Whatever we decide to call it, right? So the name is being used here, the traditional names being used here. So Mountain Standard Time or Mountain Daylight Time, we can call them whatever we want.

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So RDEC was first out of the gate with making a decision on this, as I think we saw in the news. That they decided to observe Mountain Standard Time

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And then there was a lot of public feedback, I think is a polite way of putting it.

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And so they reconsidered that decision and actually changed their mind and are now permanently on mountain daylight time

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So now Part of their reconsideration of that was to do a survey of all their residents, both regional, municipal

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First Nations. And we partnered with them in that survey. So there would be a one consistent survey across all communities that were affected by it. There was a little hiccup in their analysis of the data initially, and what's attached to the report

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Shows a table of numbers and percentages of support one way or another. A handout has been given to you and I think is available to throw up on the screen there if you've got that.

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Yeah, so they they looked deeper into it, because some of us had some questions about it.

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And so the highlighted numbers there are the updated numbers, so they're a bit different than what you'll see in the staff report that was first published with the agenda. Unfortunately, this was received quite late

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It's being handed out now. It was mentioned in the staff report, but here's the actual numbers. So Golden's numbers remain practically the same from the original survey. I think it was 56 to 44. Here it's 55 to 44. For the regional district, it actually swung the other way

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It was originally the reverse of that. This does make sense that it's quite aligned. I think our communities as a whole are quite aligned between Area A and Golden. So to see those numbers match up at 55 and 45 do make sense.

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It is just to be clear that it's not absolutely precise, because what people report as their place of residence doesn't always match reality.

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And we also had to depend upon postal codes, which sometimes cross boundaries. So, but I think in whole, it is a pretty good reflection of the respondents.

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So the decision before council, considering all the pros and cons of going one way or the other. Do we continue as is doing annual hour changes, time zone changes?

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Or did it go permanently standard or permanently daylight time?

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You'll note in the handout as well that you have the top 3 reasons given

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I didn't even remember copy

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Where do I have

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Some top three reasons given.

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For those who prefer to remain in Mountain Standard Time

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The thought was better for mental or physical health, well-being, and daily routine. Number two was alignment with the rest of BC. And number three is better use of daylight in the morning.

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For those with the top three reasons for mountain daylight time.

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Interestingly, the same reason. Better for mental or physical health, well-being, or daily routine. I think we can tell the difference between morning people and evening people.

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I'm a night owl. Better use of daylight in the evening being the number two reason. And alignment with Alberta being the number three reason.

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respondents regarding whether we continue with annual time changes versus a single permanent time. It was incredibly clear that the vast majority, I think 89% of respondents right across all the areas wanted to stop the time changes.

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So unless Council wants to do otherwise, you're certainly welcome to, but the number one response being avoids the disruption of changing clocks twice a year. So pretty obvious there.

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But the decision as to whether or not going standard or daylight. It's not a clear division. We don't have a 75 versus 25. It's very near 50%. And looking at the reasons they're actually quite similar other than do we align with Bc. Or do we align with Alberta

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Or do we care more about daylight hours versus morning hours?

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Which is why I included that blue and yellow table there to try and indicate morning and evening.

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So something to consider for counsel among the list of items is looking at each one of those times of the year and thinking about what impact that has on safety

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Business operations, tourist expectations, and everything else you can think of. And there is no staff recommendation on this one. It is very much a political decision. Sorry.

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If it was very clear, I could give you a recommendation, but there are good pros and cons both ways, and some of them are conflicting and are hard to reconcile like

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If we look purely at the science, you know, the consensus scientifically is that standard time matches the circadian rhythm

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throw into the mix, though, that we're on the far end of the time zone. And then there's the business impacts. What's the expectations of businesses? And what's a tighter tie for us? The tourists out of the rest of the province, the tourists out of Alberta. What do they expect? Do they expect the time to change when they cross the border

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Or are they just thinking, this is the time that I live in? Connections to airports, all these things to consider. So I wish I had an easy answer for you and an easy recommendation. But I am just going to step away from the microphone

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and let you enjoy this

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Thank you for that.

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Lots of information. I know each counselor has done a whole bunch of soul searching

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investigation, talking to folks

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getting some feedback and like Mr. Denegar says it's interesting the responses, the top three responses from each of the different groups.

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They're very much identical for the different positions. It was very close split

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So council, any comments before we start moving forward with some recommendations? Councilor Gill

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I do have a question with regards to the survey, because the survey was basically not to decide for us. It was just non binding non binding

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Was it a just an online survey or did we offer the opportunity for people to pick up a paper survey?

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It was, as far as I recall, it was intended to be on, it was intended to be online. I think there was some discussion about there being a paper version of it

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Certainly, as we have with anything else, if we can offer somebody at the front counter to do something on paper or to enter it for them, we would have. So if someone had come to town hall, said, I'm having a problem with my computer, or I just don't know how to do websites, we would have printed it out and then entered it ourselves on their behalf.

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There would have been no issues with that, but I don't recall anybody coming to town hall asking for that. And partly is, as the mayor said, it was non-binding. It was intended to sort of temperature test

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But yeah, do take that into mind, that it's not a true survey in the sense that, like, a Canadian federal census was done, right? We didn't go door-to-door mailing people a way to respond.

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Follow up consequently

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No follow-up.

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Who's ready to go

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Half hour later, Newfoundland.

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Any other comments from Council?

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God's Emmanuel

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I'm going to advocate for one of these choices. First.

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Getting onto the changing the clock spring and fall. I did a bit of research on the Mayo Clinic, which is where I go, and there

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Their clinic sleep medicine expert says falling back for seasonal time change can disrupt the body's clock. That doesn't sound good.

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And but I'm looking at our first choice, which is the mountain daylight.

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It's… I have been

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Talk to people who've advocated for getting closer relating more to Alberta because that's how that's where they go for a lot of things. So they, you know, like that, as opposed to lining up with BC

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Also, let's see.

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Yeah, the last thing is

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We're going to be the same as the rest in the Columbia Valley. And I really don't like the idea of having a checkerboard thing while we do something else, we do something else, and then they do something else. It's just too tiresome and confusing

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I'd like to, if RDAK is going this, I think that's a reasonable reason to consider this favorably.

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Thank you for that Councilor Rutley

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Thank you. I guess just a question to staff on on that point, just kind of confirming process. The regional district of East Kootenai has made its decision, but the member municipalities within that, you know, a couple of

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Directors obviously were member municipalities that that voted to to do the standard

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So I like the process down the valley isn't necessarily over yet, because member municipalities still have to assent to that process, or it's kind of clarity as to

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I can't imagine that Rdek member municipalities would do that checkerboard approach. But I guess just just confirming that you know the decision isn't outright across the valley.

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Yes, there was a CAO's email group that became all a flutter when the province announced this. And the intent of all members of the RDEK was to make a decision together if possible

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So they were very much approaching this as a group decision.

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Very much like Council here may wish to include the director of area A in the discussion at the table as much as you would the rest of council and that sometimes there's this natural cohesion between

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communities that it makes sense to make the decision together, and then follow it with just the paperwork afterwards, right?

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Also time observance, as noted by the minister in the letter, which was attached to this, it's very much a thing of convention

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And there is actually some gray area in the law about how it's decided and how it's communicated. So if there's nobody in the RDEK who explicitly doesn't want to follow what the RDEK does

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by saying nothing, they're actually sort of

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agreeing to it, right? So the Rdk may actually just speak on behalf of all its member municipalities when it communicates a decision to the province, unless one of them puts up their hand and goes, we want to be different, and then they can make that decision themselves. Also, none of these decisions are permanent, as though we're discussing permanent

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daylight or savings time, there's nothing permanent in law. It's the decision until the next decision is made. There is a possibility that the province of BC may reconsider this in the future. They may find the impacts of this are negative and unexpected in the coming years and winters

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When they find that school children are going to school in the dark in Vancouver Because of lack of a time change. So they may reconsider it. And certainly any decision the council makes in the RDK makes could be reconsidered in the future next year or further into the future if it's just not working out

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So don't take this to be written in stone.

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But yes, it's a altogether decision for the Rdk. And we are just next to them. We're not under their control

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They're not speaking for us, but I would hope that this Council here and the Area A director make a decision together, because I think it'd be very awkward if residents from just down the road had to change their clock when they wanted to come shopping here.

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Thank you, Ms. Ginger. Council, any follow-up on that?

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No, I appreciate the clarity. Thank you.

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Any comments with regards to preference?

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Would you have the mic

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No, not, nothing.

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It is funny what takes local government time, you know, whether it's like spin bikes or time observance pickleball, things that take a little bit more time at the council table

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Looking up the history of time observance down the valley has been really interesting, where initially it kind of started out as just kind of a corporate overlayment from from the Cb rail to keep things in line

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And it made sense obviously with the coal travel or traveling with the steam trains trying to keep things a little bit more consistent there. Obviously, we've sped up a little bit since.

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And there has been a time where we were in line with the rest of the province.

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I think that it's

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The services that we share across that imaginary line into the regional district of East Kootenai, particularly the regional district, or sorry, the regional hospital. As well as the school district

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Complicates the decision.

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And certainly if you know all of our services were directly connected west, it would make it a lot easier. With that, it's like, you know, I down that line, recognizing that

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You know, the confidence interval and get a little mathematic. The confidence interval with the sample sizes kind of sits in that 50 to 58 range across the Golden and Area A isn't clear-cut necessarily

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And certainly, I think Councilor Cui's point around

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You know, maybe a bit of a selection bias at play, because it's only online.

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You know, there's a lot of things that can sway the survey results.

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or influence them

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Recognizing RDEK's decision, recognizing the tie-in of services down that valley for people to, for people up here in Golden, I think I would lean towards remaining permanent

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Mountain Daylight Time at this point.

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But it is much like the survey results. I'm

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pretty much 55, 45.

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Thank you for that. I have a speaker's list, and I'll allow everybody to speak once before you speak a second time, Councilman. I have Councillor Cooper? Yes

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Councillor Cooper.

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Sorry, I was trying to unmute there, I was having an issue

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Thank you. So I am attending tonight on Pacific time. So it's 645. No, just kidding. So I've had a lot of talks over the last

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Week, two weeks, three weeks over this time change. And as we all have and we've all come to different conclusions, I'm the same. There is some benefits for being on the standard time. There's some benefits being on mountain

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Daylight time, a lot of parents are concerned about children walking to school in the dark. There is a notion that what if the school now opens an hour later to support children from not walking? So that is a concern as well

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I do work in Pacific time in BC time, so I am really used to thinking about their time, our time, our time, their time meetings. And it is a strain to constantly be thinking back and forth about which time zone we're in

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And in thinking that over other discussions I've had with community members, it became aware that we are more connected to the Kootenays. We have children that attend sports regularly in Invermere. We have hockey teams, baseball teams, gymnastic teams

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that are all attached, and so a concern is kids from Golden would have to leave school 2 in the afternoon to get to their sports, which

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does happen, could happen, but it is a strain. Medical appointments, yes, imaging. I think about my work, if my computer doesn't work when I show up at work on my Mountain Standard, I have to wait an hour for the province to

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Come online to help support my computer and I think of that imaging for a medical center who's sharing X-rays back and forth or talking to other appointments back and forth in real time

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There could be undue stress on our community having to wait an hour to get services sorted out between. There could be scheduling issues down the valley

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One thing I thought about as well is court systems. We don't have our courts. Some of our courts are in Invermere, some are in Golden. That's a big thing. And after going back and forth, I thinking of our community members, I feel that

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The stress that I feel in working

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going through time zones, I feel like it's an undue hardship to our community to go to put that stress on trying to constantly think about which time zone and where they're at. So, I am in

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I'm in line to vote with the mountain daylight time with the Kootenays to stay in the alignment, as opposed to moving with BC time, which would make my life easier, but I understand that for our community, it makes sense to stay within the Kootenays, so I'm going to vote for Mountain Daylight Time

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Thank you for that. Councilor Dale, any comments?

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Yes, I was also agreeing with

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Councillor Cooper, mostly, when I think about kids having to go to school in the dark, I think mostly that might affect

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like Alexander Park School, like, where you might have, like, 200 students

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How many don't get dropped off

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Or take the bus, you know, probably the higher grades. So I wouldn't base a decision on like

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maybe, like, 50, 60 kids or something, but also, I think of a household

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And the working families, you know let's say typically

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8 to 5, something like that. I know myself, if I'm working, if I need to do anything outside, I personally would rather have

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It's a little bit of daylight left in after work that I can get stuff done, as opposed to

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getting up an hour early to work on the siding before I go to the grocery store. But that's my gist, so I'm leaning towards the mountain daylight time as well.

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Thank you for that

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Any comments, Councillor Hamburg

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And come back to you, Councilor Hambrecht.

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Coach Grill then myself

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I'm going to be the one that goes against everybody, but

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For me, it's about aligning with BC

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We have if we have emergencies, we can pick up the phone in the same time zone.

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As an EMCR.

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As well as

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The morning When children go to school, light triggers their brain to start working. When they go to bed at night, if it's light out, they don't have as good a sleeps. Seasonal affective disorder. I also ran a campground for 18 years

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And I can tell you

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People don't know what time it is when they come here. They don't know if we're because they all assume that it's BC time. And when they're coming from the West, they think we're on Pacific time. So tourism, I don't think it would be

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A major an issue. I think for myself when I'm not speaking on behalf of Tourism Golden, of course. But I found it was more of a problem being on mountain time in my industry that I was in

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It was people did not want to leave when they were supposed to leave and people showed up late from BC when they were supposed to be checking in. So

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For me, it makes a lot more sense. That way as well as the health and the sleep and the seasonal affective disorder and everything that goes with it. And I did look at how many people actually travel for medical. I mean, a lot of them are traveling

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To Kelowna and Kamloops as such as well, so it goes both ways when it's going

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If we're going south, we're going to Cranbrook. But if we're going, there's a lot of people going west as well.

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So I think that I'm a BC girl. And so I'd like to stay on BC time.

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Thank you for that.

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So, I'll take my opportunity here

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One recognized that the survey was non-binding, two, that we my desire is that we golden in Aria stay in the same time zone at the same time

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Three, that we not switch seasonally anymore. Let's get rid of that in 89%. And I think that's where everybody feels that's disruptive.

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I lean towards Mountain Standard Time, very much so

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By virtue of our location on the Trans-Canada Highway, we're in BC, where they call it Pacific Time, but it will actually be BC time. And

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have gone through as many people have gone through the experience of going to Creston in the past.

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You deal with it. It's a little bit disruptive. I think there is value in being on BC time, which is Mountain Standard Time.

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Key factors for me are the safety of the daylight hours in the morning, whether that's for children, whether that's for people commuting, whether that's for outdoor workers

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construction and those have early shifts

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I also believe that in the next two years, two to three years

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This will be reviewed and there will be a re-evaluation given some of the feedback that the public gives with regards to the early morning darkness and that is going to be a I believe, and I've been proven wrong before, but I believe that is going to be an outcry

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from the public relative to it's too dark in the morning.

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And the time needs to change to Mountain Standard Time. So I would be speaking in favor of Mountain Standard Time.

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Councilor or Director Cathart.

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As we are in this together, would you like to speak, please?

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And for some people, it's past bedtime.

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Sorry?

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I only have six pages, Mayor.

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I just, you know

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Please bear with me

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Absolutely, no problems. I was picking on one of the people in the crowd.

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Oh, no. Something's wrong with my computer

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Seriously

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Okay.

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Good evening, Mayor and counselors and staff. I'm very happy to be here to speak about time observance. Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

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We all clearly understand this is an important decision for our community residents. There has been significant time

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discussion emails from residents clearly indicating this.

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For every conversation, email, or discussion that I have had with Area A residents on one option I get the same for the other option.

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And I've kept note.

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We've identified, of course, that was identified very early on that the survey was non-binding. It was a sentiment survey.

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So when you say there is a majority, Area A, 55% of those in the survey identified Mountain Dale at time

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45 identified, 45% identified Mountain Standard Time. That's a split decision on a non-binding survey.

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When this happened, I knew as the area director

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I needed to do some homework.

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So what did I do? I met with businesses

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Specifically, emailing kicking horse mountain resort. I needed to know

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How one mountain daylight or Mountain Standard would affect them operationally.

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I had a conversation with Andy behind me here from our tourism golden for our DMO. Got his input.

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I connected with families

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Putting their children on buses, walking to school.

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And farmers. Please understand area A has different needs than the municipality. You have to understand that, please.

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As I see it, I call it We have a science under mountain standard time because it the psychology, the psyche, the biology of the body. And then we have the convenient side. That's what I'm calling it. Mountain daylight time is the convenience.

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side

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Here's the results of the questions that I sent out to residents.

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I just have basically brought them all together when it comes to agriculture and livestock.

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Farmers benefit with more daylight in the morning, particularly for feeding and curing of livestock.

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Early natural light better aligns with the daily routines of agricultural operations.

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Animal welfare and psychology. Consistent morning daylight can support more natural routines for livestock and reduce the disruption that later winter sunrises may cause.

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King Horse Mountain Resort would certainly see a shift in their operational schedule.

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However, they had open late, but they did stay open later, right? So that's kind of a balance there, right? For that one.

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This one is a big one for me as the director. Safety for children and families.

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Young families have expressed time and time again to me concerns about children waiting for and riding school buses and walking in the darkness.

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A later sunrise could mean children are traveling to school during darker morning conditions. They absolutely will be, and creating additional safety concerns. That is paramount to me as your Director of Area A.

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The last one, of course, is that remaining amount standard time would keep us.

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In line with the rest of the province, which I think

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speaks for itself

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For mountain daylight time

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We would be aligned with our neighbors to the south.

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And I've heard time and time again

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We should not have a different time zone. North to South. It should be east to west.

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Why? Because it's always been like that, I guess

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benefiting from health appointments. We've already heard that there would be less disruption with interior health

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people missing appointments and so on and so forth we would be aligned with Alberta

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And that is where a large majority of our tours come from. From that province.

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So it'd be less chance of messing up on booking schedules and ski lessons and so on and so forth and appointment, you know reservations up at the Eagle Eye restaurant, for example. And have longer daylight hours.

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I don't have a vote at Council

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But

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As the regional director here, I do have a vote at the CSRD board table.

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And I want the residents of Area A to know that. That's important.

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There

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They count.

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They need to understand that.

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However, we are one community

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And I'm not here to say that Area A is going to go one way, a different way than the town of Golden. That is not what's going to happen here, folks.

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I will align Gary A with the decision of Council

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But if you want me to speak to a preference, I'm happy to do that. And I support Mountain Standard Time as I'm concerned about the children walking to school darker mornings and riding those school buses. Safety for me is paramount

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For our children and families. Thank you.

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Thank you, Director Cathcart.

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Council, we have three recommendations. Councillor Bradley. Sorry, just I guess, a question

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Through SAP to see if we had heard any direct commentary or I guess the school district and interior health of just kind of kept their hands up and

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not involve themselves? Did they comment at all on the hypothetical?

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That if there were a split, you know what what it would look like, how difficult it would be for teachers in Golden if we're an hour behind Cranbrook or

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Just trying to

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Yeah, just trying to make sure those are the two core agencies, I guess, that

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Are impacted by the RDEK's decision. And whose services that we're connected with. So I just wondering if there's been anything

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Yeah

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The mayor can actually speak to the health authority as much as I can, so I may leave that to him to comment on. They have reached out to the municipality and to mayor

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regarding their concerns, they

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Or logistical and technical when they first approached me via email, it sounded very technical challenge. How did they change their computers to work across two time zones? Well

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I'm sure other health authorities have had to deal with that and other companies and organizations have figured it out.

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But it's certainly a challenge for them, and they're worried about it. But I'll let the mayor speak more to that one. The school district hasn't reached out to me directly. I haven't heard a peep from them in any way.

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I suspect is perhaps because of their model and that they're very school-centric. So where that school sits within the regional district, they will just adjust to whatever makes sense in that geographic area. So even if

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By chance, if area A and Golden were to be different time zones, I'm sure the schools would figure it out, the buses would figure it out.

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There may be implications on their labor agreements is something I've had even think about for one organization is something I've spoken with some people about is that

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just because the clock says one thing doesn't mean we have to work to the clock. We work to what makes sense. So if in labor discussions here, if we make some sort of a change that that makes things challenging

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We would simply adjust our collective agreements and adjust our hours of operation for, hypothetically, the town hall could have a spring business hours and a summer business hours, right? That's something we can just do operationally. So that's what I suspect very much of the school district, is they would just adjust as needed operationally

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01:01:52,050 --> 01:02:02,050
And just want to point out too that there is a third option at the very bottom of my report if you don't want to make a really tough decision, it's right there.

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We could go with permanent golden time. If UTC minus 6.5.

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But I'll let the mayor now speak to the help. I was gonna cut off your mic when you started going on option 3.

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So to Interior Health, yes, they sent an email requesting… actually, they requested a delegation to Council, and I talked to Mr. Denigar about that, and by virtue of

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The discussion, it was determined that that would be inappropriate to have that presentation

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01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:35,050
We would be inundated with 100 different

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Interest groups, individuals who would want that same right and privilege.

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And I would echo

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Mr. Dinegar, on that, I heard nothing from the school district.

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So that that's my information on that.

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I do have a supplemental speakers list. I've got Councilor Manuel and Councilor Cooper

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God's manual

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01:02:59,050 --> 01:03:04,050
I've said what I like, but

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I can see there's arguments on both sides.

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The only thing, and unfortunately, I don't think we can blend them unless that was a possibility, you might, but

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The only other thing I have to add is that I think we will adjust as Mr. Denigar said in different ways, we will adjust. We do it all the time. And

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I don't see a clear answer, quite honestly.

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Thank you, that Councilor Cooper.

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01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:52,050
Thank you. I just wanted to remind and say that there was also the court system. It wasn't just schools and hospitals. The court system were sheriffs and judges, everything comes out of Cranbrook. We've tried to maintain courts within Golden and it would have a big impact on scheduling people because they come up from Cranbrook

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And it would have an effect on the systems happening, because courts go both in Golden and in Vermeer. So, that is another big one. It's not just interior health in schools, court systems. If we want to keep court services in Golden, it is a big consideration to stay

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On the daylight time to match the Kootenays where the staff travel from for the court systems

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Thank you for that.

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I've got myself on the list here.

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This is with the court systems at Health District. I mean, they already deal with Creston

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01:04:29,050 --> 01:04:37,050
They figured it out somewhere along the line. I'm still pretty steadfast in that we should be on Mountain Standard Time

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slash BC time

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01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:47,050
Slash to be changed from Pacific time to BC time.

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01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:51,050
For me, it's strictly an issue of safety

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01:04:51,050 --> 01:05:01,050
Alignment with the rest of the province of BC, being on the Transcan highway, people cross that border. They expect generally to cross into a new time zone. I believe that that is

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The understanding of most people. And I'm okay with aligning to that

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01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:11,050
8 months, eight months of the year we're on Mountain Standard Time already

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That's a big point. I mean, we're only talking about changing four months of the year

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In my mind, that is small, and that is

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convenient and appropriate.

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Yeah, I'll leave it at that. Any other speakers to this? And otherwise, I will entertain somebody putting forward a resolution.

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Judge Quill

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I would like to put forward the resolution. My birthday tomorrow.

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01:05:40,050 --> 01:05:48,050
that the town of Golden sees semiannual time changes and remain permanently on

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01:05:48,050 --> 01:05:53,050
Mountain Standard Time

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01:05:53,050 --> 01:06:08,050
Oh, sorry, that was the wrong one. It's number two, right? It's Mountain Standard Time. Yes. Following the November 1st, 2026 time change, the town of Golden Cemi annual time changes and remain permanently on mountain standard time UTC minus seven

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Matching the new permanent Pacific time zone of the rest of the majority of BC. I would second that motion.

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We've had a bunch of speakers to the subject matter. Anybody want to speak specifically to the motion?

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Councilor Rowley

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Yeah, as I mentioned

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5545. Split on myself and I really do want to thank and mention my appreciation for

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01:06:42,050 --> 01:07:01,050
Director Kathkertz comments and kind of calling standing at out near Quinn Creek campground at 7 30 in the morning for a bus in the the winter. I mean, it's it's dark regardless, but a little bit brighter as the sun's peeking out behind the mountains. I do

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I do appreciate that.

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01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:07,050
I also appreciate, yeah, that

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Interior health with the Creston situation already has some proven experience from the staff report, it's already pretty clear that there will be a bit of a transition period where everything has to get worked out in the… in the

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international systems that cars can automatically change and it'll be a fun next year, I guess, as things transition.

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Assuming this moves forward.

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01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:55,050
And the point on the seasonal affective disorder is raised by Councillor Guillot is a fair one. The daylight hours are pretty important for overall energy and

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01:07:55,050 --> 01:08:02,050
Yeah, so I will vote in favor of the resolutions presented moving with Mountain Standard Time.

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Thank you. Any other speakers to the motion? Councillor Cooper?

545
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I will be voting against the motion. I just know it's undue hardship to the community members themselves trying to sort out that we have people that work in Invermere, people who work in radium. It's unnecessary. And I feel that it's actually detrimental to a lot of our community members

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traveling back and forth. It's… we don't have to travel as much to Revelstoke side, so the effect is not felt every day, and I feel that moving

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away from the Kootenays, the effect will be every day for multiple people in our community, and I feel that that's undue hardship to our community members. So I'm not in support of this motion.

548
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Thank you, Councilor Manuel.

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01:08:47,050 --> 01:08:56,050
I am in support of this motion. The safety issue, it's important. And the rest of it

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01:08:56,050 --> 01:09:07,050
According to Mr. Dendergar, we may be looking at another change in six months from now. It's not permanent. It can be changed, and may well be, but

551
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:23,050
We, I mean, there's always, I mean, I adapt because a lot of the groups I work with are in BC and I have to make sure that they what time zone they're talking about for our meetings and stuff. There are these adjustments. We can make them

552
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We will have to make them in one way or another, but the safety thing, that's what puts it over the line for me

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01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:32,050
Think of that

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Speaking in favor of the motion and having seconded it

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01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:39,050
This is going to come back and

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I'm going to use the word haunt us again somewhere down the road because in my mind, the rest of the province of BC is going to look at Pacific's daylight time

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And there's going to be so much pushback

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That they're going to actually

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possibly be changing down the road, so mark my words, call me wrong in two years or 3 years, but I'm very much in favor of sticking with Mountain Standard Time for all the

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Reasons that have been stated

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I appreciate Director Cathart's comments with regards to one community alignment, and that would be my hope if whatever direction is put forward. And I heard that from you. I appreciate that. That is that is our community moving forward

562
01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:31,050
With that, I'm going to call the question. All those in favor of the motion.

563
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:38,050
Opposed?

564
01:10:38,050 --> 01:10:46,050
Councillor Hambrick

565
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:53,050
If we have no communication with six councils in attendance, 4-2 vote.

566
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:57,050
The motion is carried.

567
01:10:57,050 --> 01:11:04,050
Thank you for that, and thank you for all the work and the interest from folks

568
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:08,050
Thank you. Just a question on communication. You know

569
01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:23,050
Recognizing the schism, I suppose that that'll happen with the Rdk as far as time observance. I'm just just wondering if that'll be communicated down to them just for their awareness

570
01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:37,050
And perhaps informing any future decision that the board might consider so that they can. They can join the rest of of the province and get that one extra hour of sleep for the rest of their lives.

571
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:50,050
No, they haven't done that before already. Mr. Jenner, any comments. So yes, I'll be emailing the Cao right after this meeting, letting them know the decision. We'll also send a certified resolution to the regional district that we're in

572
01:11:50,050 --> 01:12:04,050
So that they can follow through with their paperwork if they wish to. And as we saw, the Rdk actually made the same decision at their first go at it and rethought it. Who knows? They may rethink it again.

573
01:12:04,050 --> 01:12:06,050
Thank you for that.

574
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:09,050
Coach Emanuel, final comment.

575
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:22,050
Or just last thought, I've taken the medical bus down to Cranbrook many times after some surgery and the doctors down there in the hospital align their

576
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:34,050
Meetings with me because they know I'm coming down at one time and they have to pick and get me ready to go out on the other time when the bus shows up. So I'm not sure how we communicate this change.

577
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:36,050
But they need to know

578
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:45,050
Yeah, beyond just the CEO of RDK, I'll be communicating out to the major stakeholders. The province will have to be notified as well officially.

579
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:52,050
And then all the health authorities, school board, court system, so forth, all the ministries and agencies will be notified

580
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:55,050
and you can bet the public will be

581
01:12:55,050 --> 01:13:04,050
Speaking out, as will the media will be connecting with us, so that yeah, it's not going to be forgotten about. It will be communicated thoroughly.

582
01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:06,050
With that.

583
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:11,050
We're going to move on to 10B, which is the finance department.

584
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And we have a

585
01:13:16,050 --> 01:13:18,050
The staff report from

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Justin's not here. Ms. Brown.

587
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:24,050
Since I'm the one today.

588
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:35,050
Thank you, Mayor Rosas. From the Finance Department, you have a request that Council approve an application to borrow up to $513,000

589
01:13:35,050 --> 01:13:53,050
13,600 under the Equipment Financing Program offered by the municipal Finance Authority. This was included in our budget in the current year. It is a unit that has been purchased and within the discussion you can see the variable interest rate that would be applied

590
01:13:53,050 --> 01:14:01,050
And that it is over a five year period, which is how all of the municipal finance authority loans for equipment are held.

591
01:14:01,050 --> 01:14:05,050
I welcome any questions that you may have.

592
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:10,050
regarding the the financing for the budget for the sweeper.

593
01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:13,050
Thank you for that. Excuse me. Thank you for that.

594
01:14:13,050 --> 01:14:20,050
Ms. Brown council, any questions of clarification prior to getting a resolution on the floor

595
01:14:20,050 --> 01:14:24,050
See none, looking for a mover of the recommendation. Councilor

596
01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:29,050
Roughly moving at Council Grill seconding it

597
01:14:29,050 --> 01:14:34,050
Any discussion?

598
01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:36,050
All those in favor?

599
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:37,050
Opposed?

600
01:14:37,050 --> 01:14:44,050
Carried unanimously. Thank you for that. And we move on to 10 BB

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Permissive tax exemption

602
01:14:48,050 --> 01:14:50,050
We have a start report again

603
01:14:50,050 --> 01:15:08,050
Thank you, Mayor Jesus. Justin's doing all the work. Certainly doing excellent work. I will take a little bit more of your time on this report. Thank you. And go through some of the details of our recommendation for the 2027 permissive tax.

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01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:24,050
applications and the exemptions that they have applied for. Council is aware, there are different types of exemptions from taxation, statutory tax exemptions are those that are not governed by council. It includes

605
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:40,050
grants for properties owned by governments or libraries or hospitals and churches. But this portion that we're going to be dealing with today is under Section 224 of the Community Charter, and it is the permissive tax exemption

606
01:15:40,050 --> 01:15:52,050
And in order to be able to provide a tax exemption, council has to ensure that they qualify under the community charter, under specific categories that apply.

607
01:15:52,050 --> 01:16:04,050
So the categories for the town of Golden that have applied in the current year include property owned or held by a charity, nonprofit or philanthropic organization

608
01:16:04,050 --> 01:16:09,050
With a use that's directly related to the organization's purpose.

609
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:17,050
There's also land around buildings exempt under Section 220. So, for example, parking lots for places of public worship.

610
01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:23,050
And then also property owned or held by athletic or service clubs and used for public recreation.

611
01:16:23,050 --> 01:16:34,050
So there was a long list of applicants. Many of them are recurring regular annual applicants. But if you of note that I'll walk you through at this point in time

612
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:42,050
They've been reviewed against the criteria in Council's permissive tax exemption policy.

613
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:54,050
And at the very second to last document within this package, there is a key criteria checklist, and you can see if there were anyone who didn't quite fit the parameters within

614
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:57,050
Council's criteria.

615
01:16:57,050 --> 01:17:00,050
So pardon me.

616
01:17:00,050 --> 01:17:04,050
We received 31 applications for 2027

617
01:17:04,050 --> 01:17:17,050
And staff is recommending the approval of 29 of those applications. In total, that represents approximately 91,747 of foregone property taxation.

618
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:33,050
This policy sets a cap of 1.25 of the prior year municipal property taxes. And so if there are more applications than there are then there is room, it will be applied

619
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:38,050
As a percentage base across each of the approved applicants.

620
01:17:38,050 --> 01:17:44,050
So items for discussion include Let me see

621
01:17:44,050 --> 01:17:45,050
There is one

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01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:59,050
property. So there are three new and 28 applications. One is not recommended for approval as it does not appear to be eligible. And so staff did call BC assessment to ask

623
01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:10,050
about the Rocky Mountain Alliance Church. They have 2 applications in one for a parking lot that is part of the parcel

624
01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:29,050
upon which their church sits and another is an adjacent plot of land, but because it's not attached and it's not the same plot as the church, it's not considered eligible for a permissive tax exemption. There is an option for them to put those two lots together, in which case it would be eligible at this point in time it is not

625
01:18:29,050 --> 01:18:38,050
And so that one we're recommending not approving because it's ineligible under the charter.

626
01:18:38,050 --> 01:18:42,050
There is another organization

627
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:53,050
that does not appear to be active within the community, and so the Seventh-day Adventist Church submitted an application, but based on revenues and expenditures and a lack of information about public service offerings

628
01:18:53,050 --> 01:19:05,050
It appears that there's no longer services or programming being held publicly. So staff does not recommend the approval of this application, as there's no publicly accessible services.

629
01:19:05,050 --> 01:19:07,050
And then finally

630
01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:14,050
We did receive a few late applications, so that can certainly go into Council's consideration and discussion.

631
01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:19,050
We have one applicant with an expired lease

632
01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:33,050
There is a requirement to provide a current lease. However, in a lot of cases, people have had there's maybe one property or two per year that is still in negotiations in order to get the lease. So council

633
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:37,050
consider that as part of their deliberations as well.

634
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And then there was one organization that does not appear to have volunteer involvement. And that's the Kicking Horse County Chamber of Commerce. In their lease location.

635
01:19:49,050 --> 01:20:01,050
So in addition to that, it should be noted that the Golden Community Economic Development Society has also applied for permissive tax exemption for the cornerstone, the new building that's being built.

636
01:20:01,050 --> 01:20:13,050
So it is still under construction. However, the final property is expected to have a mixed use. It includes affordable housing, market rate housing as well as commercial space.

637
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So staff are recommending granting a partial exemption for the portion that will be used for that affordable housing in the not-for-profit.

638
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:28,050
In order to comply with community charter that requires the property to be for direct use of the nonprofit's purpose.

639
01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:35,050
So for 2027, the estimate for that particular property is 4,848.

640
01:20:35,050 --> 01:20:51,050
However, if the completed property is estimated to have a value of approximately 16 million. So that will significantly change the estimate for property taxes. Should it be permitted into the future for permissive exemption

641
01:20:51,050 --> 01:21:02,050
Keeping in mind that there is a cap that Council has set, and the policy is part of the strategic plan to be renewed in the next year and up for consideration.

642
01:21:02,050 --> 01:21:04,050
So

643
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Oh

644
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It does say, so when current council's current practice is to grant exemptions on a two-year cycle. So basically a full application in their first year and then into the cycle of either a full application and then just a resubmission of details in the second year

645
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:32,050
However, if Council desires, we can also investigate multi-year exemption alternatives.

646
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Prior to the next period, should it be desired? And that will be brought forward as part of the permissive tax exemption discussion. Just of note within the content of the report provided.

647
01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:55,050
So final property of note would be that kicking horse gymnastics Club has moved. And so they have a new leased location and they're applying for the new location in 2027.

648
01:21:55,050 --> 01:22:11,050
The previous property had approximately 5,500 in permissively exempted taxes, and the new property is proposed at 6,800. These are still estimates at this point in time for next year's property taxes. However, our best estimate at this given time

649
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So

650
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The total

651
01:22:17,050 --> 01:22:34,050
that we are considering at this point in time is the 91,740 7 should Council choose not to allow the seventh-day Adventist or the Christian Missionary Alliance or Rocky Mountain Alliance Church, the two properties that are

652
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:41,050
Proposed not to be approved for permissive exemption. I welcome any questions you have.

653
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:48,050
Thank you that, Ms. Brown, are you able to speak to the intention

654
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:55,050
of the exemption for not-for-profits on properties that they lease

655
01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:58,050
Why would we be doing that? My understanding is

656
01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:06,050
The intent here is to ensure that their lease or their rents come down appropriately to support those not-for-profits. That's why we

657
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:10,050
We as council are foregoing revenue

658
01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:21,050
from the landlord, so that that benefit is passed on to that not-for-profit. Is that a correct understanding? It must be demonstrated that the

659
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:36,050
That the not-for-profit that is applying for the permissive exemption is receiving the benefit of having lesser taxes on the property. And so therefore they should be receiving a lesser rate as a result of applying.

660
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:46,050
a not-for-profit did not apply, then, it is possible that the landlord would raise rent as a result of not having received the exemption.

661
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:54,050
Thank you for that, and just it must be demonstrated. It must be demonstrated as part of council's policy. Thank you for that.

662
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:56,050
Councilor Guillot

663
01:23:56,050 --> 01:24:02,050
I have a couple of questions. I noticed that the

664
01:24:02,050 --> 01:24:20,050
The building that will be provided for the women's center that wasn't considered. Is that a government-owned building? So will that be something that eventually would be asking for permissive tax exemption

665
01:24:20,050 --> 01:24:37,050
I can't speak to an application that we have not received, especially as there is no building in place at this point in time. However, if it were a leased building or if it were owned by a nonprofit, then certainly they would have the ability to apply for

666
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:47,050
for a permissive tax exemption and be considered by that. The reason I'm asking is because that would significantly raise

667
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:52,050
the ask from two large buildings in town.

668
01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:59,050
The other thing is, I did a lot of research on what Cranbrook has done, and

669
01:24:59,050 --> 01:25:13,050
They only did raise… our taxes were higher, percentage-wise than theirs last year. But their… the permissive tax exemption is 0.9

670
01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:21,050
Of a percent? Of a percent. But it works out to be about the same what $23 per

671
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:23,050
Resident

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01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:29,050
Based on our population and theirs. So my concern is that we're kind of getting

673
01:25:29,050 --> 01:25:34,050
really close to our maximum. And

674
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So I think that I do agree with those two

675
01:25:40,050 --> 01:25:44,050
One's been taken out that was suggested

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But

677
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And I did make a resolution about it.

678
01:25:49,050 --> 01:25:58,050
But I also believe that you know what they do down there, which is kind of great, is that they

679
01:25:58,050 --> 01:26:06,050
The retroactive if a nonprofit is not operating year-round, they get based on that.

680
01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:13,050
So maybe some of these nonprofits are not year-round as well.

681
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:16,050
That that would be something that would be considered.

682
01:26:16,050 --> 01:26:32,050
Ms. Brown able to respond to that, please? Certainly. Thank you for the question. I would say that at this point in time, we're operating within the policy as it exists, but that you raised some very good points about some very large properties that will be coming online.

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01:26:32,050 --> 01:26:50,050
I think, therefore, that it's very timely that we are bringing forward that permissive tax exemption policy because it would be through the policy that Council would be able to make those changes and change the direction. There are some communities who have chosen not to do permissive tax exemptions, to do grant and aids instead

684
01:26:50,050 --> 01:27:06,050
There are other communities who only do a 50% exemption. So there's definitely many models that can be brought forward to Council for consideration when we review that policy. But don't necessarily need to be taken into account at this time, as

685
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:12,050
is still well under the cap with all the properties that have applied and that are eligible.

686
01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:19,050
Thank you. Any follow-up, Councilor Goyle? No, I'm just really glad to hear that's happening, and I don't want to fetter next council by

687
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:28,050
Premium, one of the second resolution that I was going to do. So I'm glad to hear that's happening. I do believe, as I said, that

688
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:35,050
Some of these are late, and I think that the resolution should include notice about

689
01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:41,050
That people should be put on notice that they should be following the rules.

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01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:53,050
I know that with the Chamber of Commerce, this has been an ongoing thing with their lease. They've known about it before. And I think it's important that they produce the lease so they can get

691
01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:56,050
The exemption

692
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:59,050
before it's finalized.

693
01:27:59,050 --> 01:28:06,050
But other than those two properties, I have no problem with everything

694
01:28:06,050 --> 01:28:08,050
Thank you, Councilor Cooper.

695
01:28:08,050 --> 01:28:15,050
Thank you. Yeah, I have no problem with what is presented. My

696
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:30,050
What I was concerned about was the light items. I know as property tax payers, if we are late, there is no exception. If you miss your homeowners grant, you have to pay the $77 interest. So I'm wondering, is there anything

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01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:32,050
If

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01:28:32,050 --> 01:28:49,050
people are putting through their applications late. Is there any penalty or anything to such, or it's just you get it or you don't get it? My concern is, as an average taxpayer, if we are late, we have to pay a penalty. So, I feel like it's fair across the board. If a non-profit is late

699
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:59,050
They should have to pay a penalty as well as a citizen does. So do we have any penalties, or is it just you either get it or you don't?

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01:28:59,050 --> 01:29:01,050
Ms. Brown

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01:29:01,050 --> 01:29:17,050
Thank you for the question. At this point in time, we don't actually apply penalties. We encourage Council to discuss and decide whether or not those organizations should be receiving that permissive tax exemption. However, I might

702
01:29:17,050 --> 01:29:26,050
repackaged a similar response in that it's certainly something that we could consider as a part of a new policy, in that

703
01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:45,050
incomplete packages would receive a 5% reduction or anything that Council would like to to workshop when we are reviewing Council's policy. I would hesitate to do it in the current year, simply because we have allowed it in the past, and the start of a new policy is an excellent time

704
01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:54,050
to move forward and either make those requirements a little more stringent or or have some consequences for non

705
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:56,050
not meeting

706
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:57,050
The requirements

707
01:29:57,050 --> 01:30:00,050
Thanks for that. I guess a couple of quick

708
01:30:00,050 --> 01:30:04,050
comments for me is our thoughts come up for me

709
01:30:04,050 --> 01:30:11,050
When I think about the Chamber of Commerce and their landlord who deal with and some of the challenges there

710
01:30:11,050 --> 01:30:14,050
And I won't mention any names, CPKC.

711
01:30:14,050 --> 01:30:26,050
I'm also supportive of GCED getting a partial relative to those units that are affordable housing and leaving it at that like you say, it is mixed use

712
01:30:26,050 --> 01:30:28,050
I also draw attention to the fact that

713
01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:30,050
We've said that

714
01:30:30,050 --> 01:30:46,050
ceiling at 1.25%. If in fact we were at that ceiling, one of the options is just to scale back 5% for each of the applicants, and it's not a full exemption, but a partial exemption to 90% or 95%, whatever the case

715
01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:58,050
So again, that's going back to your earlier comment, Ms. Brown, is that there's very many different models and tools in the toolbox. And I look forward to being part of that discussion in next year

716
01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:04,050
What was that for a slide?

717
01:31:04,050 --> 01:31:07,050
Councillor Rotley

718
01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:16,050
Thank you, Mayor Jesus. I guess just a question with regard to like how we are defining

719
01:31:16,050 --> 01:31:23,050
How we're defining affordable housing for the purposes of determining the split for

720
01:31:23,050 --> 01:31:39,050
Golden Community Economic Development, if it is the rank year to income units and the deep subsidy units or if the market rentals would fall under that certain. Obviously, it's pretty clear that the commercial ground floor wouldn't

721
01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:41,050
But just wondering

722
01:31:41,050 --> 01:31:48,050
how that's getting split, and then… and then I guess just a

723
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:50,050
A question just to

724
01:31:50,050 --> 01:31:55,050
Expound a bit on what

725
01:31:55,050 --> 01:32:08,050
Apologize for the hypothetical around what could be coming forward to Council in the new term around these discussions of multi-year exemption alternatives.

726
01:32:08,050 --> 01:32:15,050
Sorry, it's two-parter with a hypothetical at the end there. So on the first

727
01:32:15,050 --> 01:32:19,050
Affordable housing, how are we defining that split? Ms. Brown?

728
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:34,050
I'm going to try to answer your question, but the end of the answer might be, I'll get back to you with more information. Right now, what we've done is we've looked at the mixed use, including the affordable housing, the market rate housing and commercial space, and made the calculation

729
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:50,050
Just based on affordable housing, none of the market rate has been included, and none of the commercial space. It is just an estimate at this point in time, because we're basing it on the current year's taxes. And so when we send this information to BC Assessment, we can tell them an exact split

730
01:32:50,050 --> 01:33:06,050
Which can be amended year over year depending on how council would like to see that allocated. Your second question was about multi-year, and I'm going to try and answer it, and perhaps if there's more information that you require.

731
01:33:06,050 --> 01:33:23,050
There are some communities because of the stability of a lot of the organizations that might just issue a 5-year exemption. And so only having the applicants come through one time and having a period of like from 2020 to 202

732
01:33:23,050 --> 01:33:32,050
And knowing that anyone who applies in that year would have an exemption until 2025 would provide us some stability in terms of knowing

733
01:33:32,050 --> 01:33:50,050
what permissive exemptions we're having to be done, it would provide less work for the non-for-profits that are having to do it. However, there's also changes that occur on a fairly regular basis, and so there's a cost-benefit to doing it one way or the other. It's simply a matter of determining council's

734
01:33:50,050 --> 01:34:06,050
Feeling around extending longer term versus shorter term more work in the short term. So an example of that would be the food bank having changed locations, the kicking horse gymnastics Club having changed locations

735
01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:21,050
When you're dealing with properties that are leased, that can change on occasion. If you're dealing with owned properties, perhaps that's a differentiation that you make within policy and allow a longer term lease for owned properties versus rented, because the turnover might be less

736
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:23,050
So

737
01:34:23,050 --> 01:34:30,050
all considerations. Does that answer your question regarding I appreciate the

738
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:36,050
the clarity on that, and I think that that those those alternatives would be

739
01:34:36,050 --> 01:34:42,050
Yeah, I think it would be beneficial for Council in the next year.

740
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:46,050
to to consider for some of those ownership models.

741
01:34:46,050 --> 01:34:47,050
Yes

742
01:34:47,050 --> 01:34:56,050
I won't mention which side of the table I'm on or hope to be on for that one. Thank you, Councilor Manuel.

743
01:34:56,050 --> 01:34:58,050
Just a question.

744
01:34:58,050 --> 01:35:00,050
We talk about

745
01:35:00,050 --> 01:35:19,050
Affordable housing, but as far as I can tell, it comes in many different shades kind of thing. Affordable below market. And are there models for how to deal with these different aspects or possibilities?

746
01:35:19,050 --> 01:35:26,050
Do you mean as to the question. Clarification of the question. Well, sorry.

747
01:35:26,050 --> 01:35:41,050
We have housing which is supported in different ways and to the different amounts. And I'm just wondering, you know, as some are fully subsidized, others may be below market. Are there

748
01:35:41,050 --> 01:35:46,050
Ways of dealing with different types

749
01:35:46,050 --> 01:36:01,050
Ms. Brown, are you able to provide any information? I think if Council wanted to get into that level of detail, you certainly could within a policy. Currently, we have a couple of different models. So there is the new the cornerstone, I believe

750
01:36:01,050 --> 01:36:18,050
That is being built that has some affordable housing in it. There's also Purcell, also managed by Community Economic Development. And so I don't know that their models are all that different, and there's nothing within the current policy that would differentiate between that.

751
01:36:18,050 --> 01:36:19,050
Okay.

752
01:36:19,050 --> 01:36:21,050
Thank you.

753
01:36:21,050 --> 01:36:26,050
Okay, anything else, Council

754
01:36:26,050 --> 01:36:36,050
So I'm just recalling whether or not we have the recommendation. So I'm looking for a move of the recommendation. Councilor Matt or Councilor Rodley, my apologies.

755
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:40,050
Looking for a seconder. Councilor Griel seconding that

756
01:36:40,050 --> 01:36:44,050
Any final comments?

757
01:36:44,050 --> 01:36:48,050
Seeing here, none, all those in favor? Opposed?

758
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:52,050
Carried unanimously

759
01:36:52,050 --> 01:37:13,050
Councilor Aetley. Thank you, Worship. Just recognizing that there was a direct ask for direction if Council sought any investigation on the multi-year exemption alternatives. I would be willing to move that forward that Council direct staff to investigate multi-year exemption alternatives.

760
01:37:13,050 --> 01:37:18,050
For Council to discuss prior to the application period in

761
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:21,050
I guess 2027

762
01:37:21,050 --> 01:37:24,050
Movement is motion.

763
01:37:24,050 --> 01:37:27,050
Looking for a seconder.

764
01:37:27,050 --> 01:37:30,050
Councilor Griot seconding that.

765
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:33,050
Any other comments with regards to the motion? Do you want to

766
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:52,050
I think that the case being made for those properties that may be eligible for permissive tax exemptions to to offer a bit of stability. So folks aren't rushing in the last minute or forgetting and playing catch up, being late on applications to have a little bit more runway

767
01:37:52,050 --> 01:38:02,050
and then save staff the 15 min per compounds down to quite a bit of time spent reviewing every other year. So

768
01:38:02,050 --> 01:38:04,050
You voting in favor

769
01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:11,050
Council, comments? I just want to. So this would be they're bringing that policy back.

770
01:38:11,050 --> 01:38:13,050
next year anyways.

771
01:38:13,050 --> 01:38:30,050
Right? Miss Brown? I believe it is part of the current strategic priorities for Council to have a report on the permissive tax exemptions, and it is timely for renewal. So, because of that, you would… would you be looking at different municipalities and how they do things, and you'd be giving a fulsome report?

772
01:38:30,050 --> 01:38:35,050
Certainly on different options. So this could be part of that. Absolutely. Yeah.

773
01:38:35,050 --> 01:38:46,050
Yeah, so what I'm hearing is that the motion may not be necessary by virtue of the fact it would be included in the review that's already slated to happen in 2027.

774
01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:50,050
But it set some priority. Also, it's the voice of council

775
01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:57,050
So with that, I'll let it stand. Councilor Cooper

776
01:38:57,050 --> 01:39:05,050
Sorry, I just have a storm coming in here and I missed what the motion was. So I was hoping you could repeat it because it's in and out.

777
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:07,050
And actually, you can see that.

778
01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:08,050
I can see it now

779
01:39:08,050 --> 01:39:13,050
Okay, thank you.

780
01:39:13,050 --> 01:39:16,050
So I've got a mover and a seconder. All those in favor?

781
01:39:16,050 --> 01:39:19,050
Opposed

782
01:39:19,050 --> 01:39:22,050
Carried unanimously

783
01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:28,050
And we're moving on to 10 CA. We have a staff report for Mr. Cochran with regards to

784
01:39:28,050 --> 01:39:32,050
A supporting resolution for our crown ground

785
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:36,050
Crown grant application. It was easy for me to say.

786
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:47,050
Mr. Cochran. Yes, thank you, Your Worship. The the report before Council is seeking a request for supporting resolution to apply through Front Counter Bc.

787
01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:56,050
For what is referred to as a sponsored Crown grant application over lands known as the Reflection Lake Gravel Pit.

788
01:39:56,050 --> 01:40:02,050
as well as 3 small parcels across Reflection Lake Road

789
01:40:02,050 --> 01:40:08,050
The areas are defined in the map that's attached to the staff report.

790
01:40:08,050 --> 01:40:18,050
The various areas total approximately 13.8 hectares. 34.2 acres.

791
01:40:18,050 --> 01:40:21,050
The

792
01:40:21,050 --> 01:40:30,050
Sponsored Crown grant is a mechanism used to transfer ownership of identified parcels of Crown land to municipalities.

793
01:40:30,050 --> 01:40:33,050
So this would be an application to

794
01:40:33,050 --> 01:40:37,050
seek ownership over these lands.

795
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:47,050
The as council is no doubt aware, the largest area, the area identified as the reflection lake gravel pit

796
01:40:47,050 --> 01:40:55,050
Is our largest municipal snow dump. That's that's the singular location where we direct

797
01:40:55,050 --> 01:41:00,050
contract snow haulers to deposit snow.

798
01:41:00,050 --> 01:41:06,050
do that under approval from the province.

799
01:41:06,050 --> 01:41:13,050
Across the road, we've got a small portion shown in magenta that is the current parking picnic

800
01:41:13,050 --> 01:41:21,050
the use area associated with the bird watching platform area that's highlighted in red.

801
01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:26,050
And just to the east of that is a small triangular portion of land that

802
01:41:26,050 --> 01:41:34,050
Has on it a pit toilet. It's a wooded area and contains

803
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:41,050
Just a small portion of the adjacent motocross track. We currently

804
01:41:41,050 --> 01:41:47,050
We currently have a license of occupation over the red shaded area. The bird viewing platform area.

805
01:41:47,050 --> 01:41:56,050
However, we do not have any sort of tenure over the magenta area or the triangular portion to the to the east.

806
01:41:56,050 --> 01:42:02,050
Nor do we have tenure over the large portion to the north.

807
01:42:02,050 --> 01:42:04,050
Although, as I mentioned, we do have

808
01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:08,050
Provincial permission to use the areas of snow dump.

809
01:42:08,050 --> 01:42:13,050
It's also identified in the Ministry of Transportation highway closure

810
01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:20,050
traffic plan as an area for livestock trailer parking to be supported through

811
01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:28,050
The adjacent rodeo grounds.

812
01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:38,050
We've been in touch with the province on this issue, this particular item, and they've advised that

813
01:42:38,050 --> 01:42:47,050
This sponsored Crown grant application isn't a high priority on their list of things to do essentially. They've got

814
01:42:47,050 --> 01:42:54,050
They've got priorities that they identify as being associated with applications

815
01:42:54,050 --> 01:43:01,050
around key government initiatives such as housing, connectivity, electrification, and public health and safety.

816
01:43:01,050 --> 01:43:08,050
So what they've indicated to us is that if we did submit an application through Frank Counter Bc.

817
01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:19,050
that… that initial process would occur fairly quickly, like within… probably within 6 months. However the overarching ask for a sponsored crown

818
01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:26,050
Grant over the property would potentially take a couple of years or or more

819
01:43:26,050 --> 01:43:30,050
Well, they adjudicate that

820
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:37,050
We have with our administrative technician for public works prepared a management plan for the area.

821
01:43:37,050 --> 01:43:42,050
That is a requirement for the submission package to Front Counter BC

822
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:50,050
With associated mapping. If Council is supportive of this initiative, then we would

823
01:43:50,050 --> 01:43:59,050
host the package to Nations Connect for for the initial sort of run at 1st nations consultation

824
01:43:59,050 --> 01:44:03,050
However, of course, the province would undertake

825
01:44:03,050 --> 01:44:09,050
Detailed First Nations consultation as a part of the adjudication process.

826
01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:17,050
They have indicated to us if we were considered for a sponsored Crown grant over the properties, then they would probably

827
01:44:17,050 --> 01:44:28,050
Set up the town of Golden initially with a nominal rent tenure just to span the period of time until the adjudication is complete.

828
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:31,050
I think with that, I'd welcome any questions.

829
01:44:31,050 --> 01:44:37,050
Thank you very much, Council. Any questions or clarification prior to getting a resolution on the floor?

830
01:44:37,050 --> 01:44:39,050
Actually, I have one.

831
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:43,050
Historically, my recollection is that used to

832
01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:45,050
Prior to getting

833
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:47,050
Crown Land Grant

834
01:44:47,050 --> 01:44:58,050
You have to identify an appropriate ministry that was willing to take that onto their books. Is that still the process?

835
01:44:58,050 --> 01:45:08,050
Through discussions with the province, our direction has been to apply through Front Counter BC. And it would be

836
01:45:08,050 --> 01:45:15,050
initially looked at by the Ministry of

837
01:45:15,050 --> 01:45:20,050
Water, land and resource stewardship.

838
01:45:20,050 --> 01:45:24,050
Thank you for that. Okay, council. Any question of clarification?

839
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:28,050
If not, we have a recommended resolution there.

840
01:45:28,050 --> 01:45:32,050
Looking for some direction from Council.

841
01:45:32,050 --> 01:45:36,050
Move a mover

842
01:45:36,050 --> 01:45:39,050
Don's rally moving the recommendation.

843
01:45:39,050 --> 01:45:45,050
Looking for a seconder. Councilor Dale seconding that.

844
01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:48,050
Any further discussion, Councillor Manuel?

845
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:51,050
Just a question.

846
01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:58,050
There is. I mean, we have the ski jarring thing and that's a particular thing. I'm sure they have their own insurance.

847
01:45:58,050 --> 01:46:08,050
I don't walk so much that way anymore, but in the past, I have seen some fairly reckless behavior, and I'm just wondering if there's an issue with possible liability.

848
01:46:08,050 --> 01:46:17,050
Through Your Worship, thank you for your question, Councilor. I didn't really speak to it. The staff report does, however, speak to

849
01:46:17,050 --> 01:46:23,050
past and current uses of the area. The ski during event was City of

850
01:46:23,050 --> 01:46:26,050
Undertaken through

851
01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:43,050
Consultation process directly with the province between the Golden Light Horse Club and the province. With tenure over the property, the town would intend to exercise its temporary license of occupation process for for events such as that

852
01:46:43,050 --> 01:46:46,050
Where there's a requirement for insurance.

853
01:46:46,050 --> 01:46:50,050
Thank you.

854
01:46:50,050 --> 01:46:53,050
Anything else, Council?

855
01:46:53,050 --> 01:46:57,050
If not, I'll call the question. All those in favor of the motion.

856
01:46:57,050 --> 01:46:59,050
Opposed.

857
01:46:59,050 --> 01:47:04,050
Carried unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. Clark. Thank you.

858
01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:08,050
Yeah, just bringing up the next one. We have another staff report.

859
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:15,050
Next is a staff report from Protective Services. Who's going to speak to that one?

860
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:18,050
Mr. Deniger.

861
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:24,050
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a

862
01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:29,050
reuse of an old report that you saw at the last meeting.

863
01:47:29,050 --> 01:47:34,050
Lo and behold, they did want a resolution from Council.

864
01:47:34,050 --> 01:47:50,050
As one of our council members pointed out that was mentioned in the staff report, they may want a resolution. Sure enough, they did. So you'll see the contents very much the same as that previous report. It's going to say regurgitation of the reports, pretty much what it is there. So yeah, it's it's actually just

865
01:47:50,050 --> 01:48:00,050
the basically your paperwork or rubber stamp for UBCM's paperwork purposes to say that you do support them giving us money to complete this grant project.

866
01:48:00,050 --> 01:48:04,050
And that sport has to be identified through a resolution

867
01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:09,050
Learning for a mover, Councilor Grio, seconder. Councilor Rowley.

868
01:48:09,050 --> 01:48:11,050
All those in favor?

869
01:48:11,050 --> 01:48:14,050
Opposed?

870
01:48:14,050 --> 01:48:17,050
Carried unanimously

871
01:48:17,050 --> 01:48:24,050
Now we're on to bylaws.

872
01:48:24,050 --> 01:48:31,050
Just bring it up here.

873
01:48:31,050 --> 01:48:35,050
Ms. Armstrong, any comments or just want to bring this up?

874
01:48:35,050 --> 01:48:42,050
We have the recommendation. We have a number of recommendations. I think you speak to them short

875
01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:48,050
Sure, yes, in brief, somehow

876
01:48:48,050 --> 01:48:54,050
All our eyes, including mine, looking at it many times. We missed attaching a few of the additional schedules to

877
01:48:54,050 --> 01:49:11,050
Third reading. So my apologies for that. So the schedules are now included. They were included in the in the bylaw that went up to public hearing. They just weren't on the August 18th agenda. So that is why we're rescinding third and requesting Council consider

878
01:49:11,050 --> 01:49:17,050
Providing third and adoption as Council can for an OCP.

879
01:49:17,050 --> 01:49:23,050
In the same meeting. And that's my my preamble and

880
01:49:23,050 --> 01:49:25,050
pretty momentous time

881
01:49:25,050 --> 01:49:35,050
For the community after I think the mayor said 17 or 18 years at the start of this meeting. So thank you for entertaining this. Any calls for a special guest

882
01:49:35,050 --> 01:49:39,050
So the motion is to rescind.

883
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:41,050
Moving for a motion

884
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:47,050
Those are relatively assembly Councilmanuel. All those in favor? Opposed?

885
01:49:47,050 --> 01:49:53,050
Carried unanimously, and this second one to get the third reading as amended and adopted.

886
01:49:53,050 --> 01:49:57,050
Councillor Rowley and Councilor Manuel moving and seconding those.

887
01:49:57,050 --> 01:49:59,050
All those in favor?

888
01:49:59,050 --> 01:50:01,050
Opposed?

889
01:50:01,050 --> 01:50:06,050
Carried unanimously.

890
01:50:06,050 --> 01:50:09,050
Councilor Rowley

891
01:50:09,050 --> 01:50:24,050
Thank you, Mayor. With the item for new business as in our last meeting, just go ahead and declare a conflict of interest as a result of an indirect pecuniary interest in the alcohol industry. And so I will

892
01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:30,050
I will recuse myself and get comfortable in the hallway.

893
01:50:30,050 --> 01:50:40,050
Thank you, Councilor Rowley.

894
01:50:40,050 --> 01:50:52,050
So, Council, I've brought this back as is the authority in quotation marks, the power of the mayor. Before we go on that, there are other considerations where

895
01:50:52,050 --> 01:50:55,050
A resolution

896
01:50:55,050 --> 01:51:02,050
Can be reconsidered and brought back to council, Mr. Deniger, are you able to speak to? I think there's three options.

897
01:51:02,050 --> 01:51:15,050
And then maybe it was just two. Just two, yeah. So the under the community charter, the mayor has special privileges to require reconsideration within 30 days or to give notice of requiring reconsideration.

898
01:51:15,050 --> 01:51:31,050
And then I guess reconsidered as soon as possible. Council as well has that authority. It has to do it within 30 days, and it does have to be a vote of the majority of Council, but only can be brought forward by those who were in the affirmative

899
01:51:31,050 --> 01:51:37,050
Which is to avoid sour grapes, causing reconsiderations all the time.

900
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:41,050
Yeah, so the process is laid out in provincial legislation.

901
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:48,050
Thank you for that. And I bring this back as a result of a direct request

902
01:51:48,050 --> 01:51:51,050
By the applicant

903
01:51:51,050 --> 01:51:59,050
I think that for me, that was part of the consideration. And also some concerns relative to the process.

904
01:51:59,050 --> 01:52:07,050
And it's for those reasons I bring this forward back to Council for reconsideration

905
01:52:07,050 --> 01:52:13,050
To that end, Councilor Guerrero, you look like you have something you need to say or want to say.

906
01:52:13,050 --> 01:52:15,050
Go ahead.

907
01:52:15,050 --> 01:52:21,050
Through the chair. Could I address the proponent of the applicant, please.

908
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:25,050
If you would like to come up

909
01:52:25,050 --> 01:52:31,050
And then I have a question for the Director of Planning.

910
01:52:31,050 --> 01:52:35,050
In the last three years, has the

911
01:52:35,050 --> 01:52:40,050
patio up above, ever been opened till 2 am

912
01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:42,050
It has

913
01:52:42,050 --> 01:52:43,050
Okay

914
01:52:43,050 --> 01:52:44,050
Thank you.

915
01:52:44,050 --> 01:52:46,050
That's all I want to know.

916
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:51,050
And a question for staff? Yes.

917
01:52:51,050 --> 01:52:53,050
With

918
01:52:53,050 --> 01:52:56,050
Trying to remember the question I was going to ask.

919
01:52:56,050 --> 01:53:05,050
Have you to the director of planning, have you proceeded to give the recommendation from the last

920
01:53:05,050 --> 01:53:12,050
Resolution to the liquor board liquor and cannabis board.

921
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:16,050
No, not yet.

922
01:53:16,050 --> 01:53:22,050
applicant informed me shortly after the meeting of his intention to request a reconsideration.

923
01:53:22,050 --> 01:53:25,050
Okay.

924
01:53:25,050 --> 01:53:29,050
Council, supplemental. Has the

925
01:53:29,050 --> 01:53:35,050
occupants of Glen Crichton and then Charlotte been

926
01:53:35,050 --> 01:53:38,050
Notified

927
01:53:38,050 --> 01:53:42,050
With a notice of some sort on that property.

928
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:46,050
Ms. Armstrong

929
01:53:46,050 --> 01:53:55,050
The town's policy for liquor and cannabis applications is to notify

930
01:53:55,050 --> 01:54:03,050
occupants within 100 meters of of the property, the subject property

931
01:54:03,050 --> 01:54:11,050
a male out went to the property owner, but due to not being able to

932
01:54:11,050 --> 01:54:21,050
get inside the building and provide a notice to each occupant. That didn't occur in full transparency to Council in the past we've

933
01:54:21,050 --> 01:54:30,050
We, for apartment buildings, we've posted a notice on the door that didn't actually occur. In this instance of the apartment.

934
01:54:30,050 --> 01:54:35,050
Of the two apartments, and within the

935
01:54:35,050 --> 01:54:38,050
The 100 meter buffer area.

936
01:54:38,050 --> 01:54:43,050
Thank you, Councilor Gwill. So considering this information

937
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:50,050
I'd like to put forward a motion to rescind

938
01:54:50,050 --> 01:54:53,050
Resolution from last time.

939
01:54:53,050 --> 01:54:56,050
It's written up, actually.

940
01:54:56,050 --> 01:55:05,050
We can get that on the screen, please. I believe that I believe it's important that

941
01:55:05,050 --> 01:55:07,050
No matter how

942
01:55:07,050 --> 01:55:13,050
How the decision is that everybody should have a ability to speak to it.

943
01:55:13,050 --> 01:55:17,050
Process is critical.

944
01:55:17,050 --> 01:55:25,050
This may delay things a little bit. But I believe that it's an opportunity for those people that are directly affected.

945
01:55:25,050 --> 01:55:30,050
Should we have the opportunity to speak towards it as well.

946
01:55:30,050 --> 01:55:34,050
I've got a motion on the floor and it's there on the board.

947
01:55:34,050 --> 01:55:41,050
Looking for a seconder and I will second that motion

948
01:55:41,050 --> 01:55:44,050
Any comments with regards to the motion? Councillor Manuel.

949
01:55:44,050 --> 01:55:50,050
I just want to be clear, what will be the effects of rescinding that right now? Will we simply

950
01:55:50,050 --> 01:55:56,050
pick it up later after we've had a chance to notify the people in the apartment buildings. Is that it or

951
01:55:56,050 --> 01:56:00,050
Mr. Armstrong

952
01:56:00,050 --> 01:56:14,050
Sorry, I can't make that out and I didn't log in to the meeting, but generally the intent here is to just postpone this, notify the apartment buildings, and then bring it back in front of Council.

953
01:56:14,050 --> 01:56:20,050
So the motion will be rescinded. The subject matter will be

954
01:56:20,050 --> 01:56:32,050
go through its formal process with notification as such, and then we'll come back to Council for a final decision. So we have not… okay, yeah, I just want to be clear on that. Okay, thank you for that.

955
01:56:32,050 --> 01:56:36,050
Any other comments, questions? Councilor Gwill. I just want to speak to the motion

956
01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:44,050
the importance of doing this is if it comes back that those people did not have an opportunity.

957
01:56:44,050 --> 01:56:51,050
then it could cause a lot of problems for for the business and for

958
01:56:51,050 --> 01:57:02,050
So in the long run, I think this is the most reasonable way to go. People are owed the opportunity to speak.

959
01:57:02,050 --> 01:57:05,050
it gets rid of the last mulsion

960
01:57:05,050 --> 01:57:10,050
That resolution is not available anymore. So it's kind of like starting over.

961
01:57:10,050 --> 01:57:16,050
And staff will be following through on the process and then bringing back a report to Council. Thank you for that.

962
01:57:16,050 --> 01:57:29,050
Comments, Mr. Armstrong? Yes, thanks for the resolution. I just read it on my screen. So the way staff would basically enact this is we would we would notify the apartment buildings and and bring it back

963
01:57:29,050 --> 01:57:41,050
At the next council meeting, which would provide a little under 3 weeks for the applicant to or not the applicant, the residents of the apartment building if they weren't aware from

964
01:57:41,050 --> 01:57:57,050
the newspaper ads, the two signs on the building to provide commentary. So we wouldn't re-notify everyone, we wouldn't re-put the ads in the paper, but at least at least those residents in the apartments would have those physical notifications, and we'll post them

965
01:57:57,050 --> 01:58:05,050
Based on the configuration of that property at all the exterior doors to to ensure that occurs and

966
01:58:05,050 --> 01:58:12,050
And an apologies to to all that didn't occur previously.

967
01:58:12,050 --> 01:58:27,050
Thank you for that. And Council, I'm seeing that was the intent is to ensure that those folks are informed or have informed and have the opportunity to respond. Yes, that's the intent. And then we would come back to council and

968
01:58:27,050 --> 01:58:35,050
make the decision again. Thank you, Councilman comments. I just wanted to be clear, though.

969
01:58:35,050 --> 01:58:37,050
I

970
01:58:37,050 --> 01:58:39,050
there should be, I mean

971
01:58:39,050 --> 01:58:57,050
If there's a failure to notify, that's on us. We all make mistakes sometimes, and it has nothing to do with the people at the Rockwater who had no responsibility to, to do that. So I don't think anything should come back on them, because there is, the process failed

972
01:58:57,050 --> 01:59:00,050
Correct. It does not reflect on them.

973
01:59:00,050 --> 01:59:03,050
Thank you for that.

974
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:05,050
The motion seconded

975
01:59:05,050 --> 01:59:13,050
Any other discussion? Keep looking over to my right and there's nobody there. All those in favor.

976
01:59:13,050 --> 01:59:16,050
Opposed?

977
01:59:16,050 --> 01:59:18,050
Carried unanimously

978
01:59:18,050 --> 01:59:23,050
Actually, if I got the numbers right

979
01:59:23,050 --> 01:59:31,050
I'm not sure how we're counting Councillor Hamburg at this point in time.

980
01:59:31,050 --> 01:59:36,050
Absent? Okay, thank you. That was my assumption, so it's carried unanimously.

981
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:40,050
Thank you for that.

982
01:59:40,050 --> 01:59:55,050
Supplemental Mr. Armstrong. Yeah, just based on all this and the way this application is submitted, it is an application that affects both the rooftop patio as well as

983
01:59:55,050 --> 02:00:02,050
Pat Le Guerre's other establishment that he's working towards opening. So I just

984
02:00:02,050 --> 02:00:17,050
Because this is happening on the fly, but I just want to check in with the applicant that a timeline of a decision on September 22nd doesn't affect the opening, depending on how long the LCRB takes basically if that's

985
02:00:17,050 --> 02:00:22,050
For me, delaying is a huge financial hit. Absolutely.

986
02:00:22,050 --> 02:00:26,050
It's tied in with my other application with the Lcrb.

987
02:00:26,050 --> 02:00:28,050
for the

988
02:00:28,050 --> 02:00:34,050
other space that we're trying to open

989
02:00:34,050 --> 02:00:37,050
Something that's not my fault or my mistake.

990
02:00:37,050 --> 02:00:42,050
is pretty hard to be able to swallow for sure.

991
02:00:42,050 --> 02:00:43,050
Awesome.

992
02:00:43,050 --> 02:00:50,050
I do understand to a certain extent.

993
02:00:50,050 --> 02:00:57,050
Yeah, sorry.

994
02:00:57,050 --> 02:01:03,050
So this is where this is where I'm at

995
02:01:03,050 --> 02:01:05,050
And we're

996
02:01:05,050 --> 02:01:14,050
We've pushed back on the 2 am across the board. We've picked three days, midnight the rest of the week.

997
02:01:14,050 --> 02:01:19,050
And this is far less from what we're allowed right now to do.

998
02:01:19,050 --> 02:01:21,050
It's just

999
02:01:21,050 --> 02:01:26,050
Yeah, it's a bit of an inconvenience for sure. A lot of money on the line and

1000
02:01:26,050 --> 02:01:34,050
I don't see why I'm getting a lot of pushback for that, because it's something we already have

1001
02:01:34,050 --> 02:01:44,050
So the question to staff, is there any way through this process to split out the two initiatives?

1002
02:01:44,050 --> 02:01:49,050
Again, that's more money as well.

1003
02:01:49,050 --> 02:01:53,050
Okay, Council, you had some comments.

1004
02:01:53,050 --> 02:01:56,050
Yeah, I sympathize with you.

1005
02:01:56,050 --> 02:02:07,050
I just know that what happened in a previous licensee situation, I think it was in Victoria where people did not have the opportunity to

1006
02:02:07,050 --> 02:02:13,050
to comment, and then I believe that the they went back on it

1007
02:02:13,050 --> 02:02:18,050
Is there already an existing patio there that was licensed for the same time? Yeah, I don't know

1008
02:02:18,050 --> 02:02:35,050
that is attached to the said patio. Yeah, I understand. Very unique situation. That's why I'm bringing to remind the public that this is a council meeting, and I and I understand that, but I also understand your hours of operation that you're sitting and going back on are basically the hours that you run anyways.

1009
02:02:35,050 --> 02:02:48,050
You run to midnight during part of the week and the days that you want to stay open till 2 a.m. are days that you're already staying open to 2 a.m. Gonna bring the debate to an end. Ultimately.

1010
02:02:48,050 --> 02:02:55,050
Either the motion stands as it was, and it's denied, or it's it's well rescinded

1011
02:02:55,050 --> 02:03:10,050
And has an opportunity to come back for approval. Is that a correct understanding of the process? So, at this point, that resolution was rescinded. You have the right as Mayor to force a reconsideration right now in the same meeting, where Council can do the same and force a reconsideration

1012
02:03:10,050 --> 02:03:24,050
It sounds like staff don't have clarity and would probably take some time to find out from the province if this could be split. I have a feeling that would probably take just as long as getting this to the September 22nd meeting.

1013
02:03:24,050 --> 02:03:39,050
One councilors comment about the legal risk of this court could force a reconsideration of this and hold up the thing even longer if the residents were to argue that they weren't given a fair opportunity

1014
02:03:39,050 --> 02:03:54,050
It was a process failure on the district's part. Accidents happen, mistakes are made. It may have meant policy, but it certainly wasn't ideal. So the sympathy and empathy from the district is there for the business owner, certainly.

1015
02:03:54,050 --> 02:04:10,050
But I think it actually introduces greater risk if we don't go through this and do it properly. I think it could hurt both municipality and the applicant even more if it's challenged because of failure of process. So I think Council did make the right decision in rescinding this

1016
02:04:10,050 --> 02:04:14,050
And it will come back on September 22nd.

1017
02:04:14,050 --> 02:04:18,050
So from my perspective, I have no inclination to

1018
02:04:18,050 --> 02:04:24,050
We ask council to reconsider the rescinding of the motion at this point in time.

1019
02:04:24,050 --> 02:04:33,050
So the motion stands unless we want to go through another process where we bring it back

1020
02:04:33,050 --> 02:04:38,050
For reconsideration at a subsequent meeting and translate into just that much more delay.

1021
02:04:38,050 --> 02:04:49,050
So as this point right now, motion has been rescinded. Staff will go through the process as to find that Mr. Armstrong and it will be coming back to council and I heard

1022
02:04:49,050 --> 02:04:52,050
The September 22 meet council meeting.

1023
02:04:52,050 --> 02:05:04,050
Great. Thank you very much.

1024
02:05:04,050 --> 02:05:10,050
Okay, well, just rally a second to get in

1025
02:05:10,050 --> 02:05:12,050
You need the door open please.

1026
02:05:12,050 --> 02:05:17,050
Thank you

1027
02:05:17,050 --> 02:05:28,050
So with that, we move on to item 13 of the agenda, question period. That's where there's opportunity for members of the public to speak to any of the subject matters.

1028
02:05:28,050 --> 02:05:34,050
On the agenda, this is not an opportunity to debate with Council, but an opportunity to be heard.

1029
02:05:34,050 --> 02:05:38,050
Going to the digital remote

1030
02:05:38,050 --> 02:05:40,050
Attendees

1031
02:05:40,050 --> 02:05:46,050
If you would like to speak to one of the items on the agenda, please put your hand up, and Ms. Seville will

1032
02:05:46,050 --> 02:05:49,050
unmute you

1033
02:05:49,050 --> 02:05:54,050
Going once, going twice

1034
02:05:54,050 --> 02:06:00,050
Going for third and final time and Any questions from attendees at the

1035
02:06:00,050 --> 02:06:04,050
In person session counselor or counselor

1036
02:06:04,050 --> 02:06:12,050
Gord, please come up in stage name address and just kind of speak into the mic. No address? Oh

1037
02:06:12,050 --> 02:06:15,050
Everybody knows where you live. I'm sorry, Gord.

1038
02:06:15,050 --> 02:06:17,050
This is just from

1039
02:06:17,050 --> 02:06:20,050
my observation from the meeting

1040
02:06:20,050 --> 02:06:24,050
And on the subject of permissive tax exemption

1041
02:06:24,050 --> 02:06:26,050
I just want to remind Council

1042
02:06:26,050 --> 02:06:29,050
On that subject, that there are

1043
02:06:29,050 --> 02:06:32,050
Many families in Golden

1044
02:06:32,050 --> 02:06:35,050
That own a house that rent.

1045
02:06:35,050 --> 02:06:37,050
That are also struggling.

1046
02:06:37,050 --> 02:06:40,050
And the idea to me

1047
02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:49,050
Of a pervasive tax exemption for that building. I know it's based on affordable housing, but to me

1048
02:06:49,050 --> 02:06:52,050
That doesn't sit very well with me.

1049
02:06:52,050 --> 02:06:56,050
And I know the subject is going to come up in the future

1050
02:06:56,050 --> 02:07:07,050
And I just want to remind Council those of it, you that'll still be here to think about that, that there are families in Golden that have certain income

1051
02:07:07,050 --> 02:07:14,050
certain mortgage payments, certain expectations that would like a permissive tax exemption as well.

1052
02:07:14,050 --> 02:07:21,050
And I don't think that that should be exclusive. There should be other ways of

1053
02:07:21,050 --> 02:07:24,050
funding that building.

1054
02:07:24,050 --> 02:07:34,050
I thank you very much for your comments. Gord. And the other comment that just occurred here as someone who has been in business for

1055
02:07:34,050 --> 02:07:41,050
50 years. I'm actually surprised that due diligence didn't take place and put

1056
02:07:41,050 --> 02:07:50,050
this business in a really hard situation. From what I understand from Pat is his comments about

1057
02:07:50,050 --> 02:07:58,050
What this is going to cost him, the lack of due process to determine. And I totally agree with Joy

1058
02:07:58,050 --> 02:08:04,050
that that needs to be done because we would end up in

1059
02:08:04,050 --> 02:08:14,050
A serious legal issue if that didn't happen and then the the whole problem just keeps getting kicked down the

1060
02:08:14,050 --> 02:08:25,050
Whatever the expression is, but I'm shocked that due process and due diligence didn't occur on the part of the town to make that determination.

1061
02:08:25,050 --> 02:08:27,050
Thank you for those comments and

1062
02:08:27,050 --> 02:08:33,050
Appreciate it. Yeah. And the other thing is, with respect to the time zone

1063
02:08:33,050 --> 02:08:38,050
It's good that that can be revisited in a year from now

1064
02:08:38,050 --> 02:08:47,050
I think more than likely, I don't know, but I think if we don't, great. But that that opportunity exists, that the town of Golden

1065
02:08:47,050 --> 02:08:56,050
Based on information that comes to the town comes to tourism golden comes to Kicking Horse Mount Resort, that that can be

1066
02:08:56,050 --> 02:08:59,050
revisited and another

1067
02:08:59,050 --> 02:09:02,050
vote by council could take place.

1068
02:09:02,050 --> 02:09:06,050
And I think that should be important in the press release

1069
02:09:06,050 --> 02:09:20,050
that that communication should be made as to Mr. Denegar's comments with regards to it being set in place, it can be reviewed at any point in time, as it can across the whole province at the provincial level, too.

1070
02:09:20,050 --> 02:09:26,050
So I think for your comments. Unfortunate that we are going to be in a time zone pod.

1071
02:09:26,050 --> 02:09:46,050
I mean, geographically with the rest of the province. And the Alberta. It's unfortunate. Thank you for your comments, Corey. We're going to be in the pot. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1072
02:09:46,050 --> 02:09:55,050
With that, we go on to, if there's nothing else from any Andy, anything? Any comments? No. So we'll move on to item 14.

1073
02:09:55,050 --> 02:09:57,050
Nate.

1074
02:09:57,050 --> 02:10:02,050
Motion by Councilor Rowley, second by Councilor Manuel to adjourn.

1075
02:10:02,050 --> 02:10:04,050
All those in favor.

1076
02:10:04,050 --> 02:10:05,050
Opposed?

1077
02:10:05,050 --> 02:10:15,050
Carried unanimously