I thought Joseph said, my wife had a, their work had already, I think he was going to go to work.
I'm going to use your wife, Walker.
Your job for all I
need.
Why is it not saying that it is recording? I'm not sure why it's something.
So now, 930 will call the workshop for the very county commissioners from May 6, 2025 to 4.
First, item of business is public works.
Vote for the best.
Yes, and then.
And on time, let's fetch and go.
That's a good time in.
Thank you, Andrew.
Morning. Morning.
Morning.
How are you doing?
I'm awake.
Thank you.
Good morning.
That is a good week.
Is the beauty coming here today?
Oh no.
Five months.
Nice to meet you.
I don't respond.
Like, that is cool.
They finally responded.
Not to me.
A little more.
Reach out.
And then.
Yeah, yes.
I mean, I mean, I was in Furry.
Okay.
Did you freeze out a little?
Yes, we've read those questions in the first two ten.
So, this is seven.
Today's seven last thing I'm going to be able to know.
And the good answer for you, and you said.
Oh, yes, anytime.
I'm already.
Okay.
Bill said they were like, oh, yeah.
Yeah, I'm like,
somewhere else I'm going to thought. Okay, not wrong. I think we have a few things on your consent agenda. First is the approval,
local agency agreement was going to be kindly for our on-call and environmental services.
Item E is local agency agreement with the applied archeological research.
it's the extension of their payment. These are things we have to have for permitting for projects
nowadays. So we have to have that expertise and do a network that you have to enhance.
Item F is the, is the notice for the public hearing to advertise for DALS Port waste water sewer
great increase. And we talked about this last week, it will be in the paper on tomorrow.
That's the half, the hearing at one thirty here. Okay, I think that's all I have. It's big.
All right, I'm construction, sunny side road overlay, we're still on hold.
As the contractors work on other work, pickled in a highway, the contractors,
getting start crushing this week in Madison for their asphalt aggregates for that project.
White plastic edge lines the work has been completed. So we'll look through the closure
of that project next. 2025 annual striping working with the contractor schedule pre-construction
conference and a start date for that work. On design, not a whole lot has changed. We're still
waiting for the environmental approvals on the bridge windows, safety plan update contract
contractors working or the consultants, sorry, is working away on that. And fire damage
garb or repairs, we hope to have a notice contractors to the board agenda next week so we get
that out to add. Okay, on the maintenance side, the east end, we're doing shoulders on Pickleton
Highway, Subspot Graveling, grading and some rooming of sand. On the west end, we're crap ceiling
for the port. We're also today we're practicing with wastewater treatment plant.
Parking on there and they're drying bins and then we'll be practicing for white sand and on
docked green. We're going to be planting trees and traveling park. We're trying to refurbish the trees.
say it at a taking out 30 pine trees. And then, you know, the, the trout lake
citizens went in and thinned some of the other trees. Now, a little talk about that,
but it's fine. And then we get some great. We're going to do some great. On the
facility side, we had one more thing still at the court, in the court room, it
took a while to get the meat, rescheduled at nine to time. We got down there. Two days
the whole month of May, where we could meet. And May 13th is the day to talk about the acoustics.
On the event site, Oregon Trail Rally, of Still May 17th, home in Garden went well, and the
Doffs went well, or the Quackers, which is Doffs of London.
I don't like the Docks.
A few while I would refine the lives in the plans to go to bed.
GLF Grades were working through that, a grandstand south end, a work assigned going.
We've got great, mostly electrical, is rough, did now, all the outlets, and we're also
running for the water bottle, so that's where the water bottle is, there we go.
Energy audit, the walkthroughs next week with the consultant, the auditor remodel, or the
of all the plastic glass windows have been installed now.
So now we just got to finish trim around.
So those works happen typically on weekend.
We're just getting quotes on the grading and on the airboard project,
that pictures are from this is the mass grading.
You'll see the different iterations of the mass grading.
So they are moving forward, they're about, and maybe halfway up at the past grade.
And that one area you see that they're using an excavator in off-road is, there was a soft spot.
That's why they're going deeper.
Yeah, it couldn't heal it up.
Which is good.
You're on those big heavy trucks across.
You find any areas that are pumping.
Yeah, it's a little bit longer because that is a different different compaction rate
because you want to have it to practice the bill leads.
They don't have to go back and rate them back.
Method C, I believe.
Correct.
Yes.
Method C.
Question on the actual bid then.
Did we take in consideration for additional rock?
Yes, we got a lot of rock eggs.
Okay.
I mean, just when you hit these soft spots.
They can fill that with on-site stuff that we had
because there's so much rock that would be dug out of those piles
and everything.
So they'll use that.
We do have some.
Not as much soft, but a lot of hard-bought
calculated it is because when they start going
be the hard rock. We'll go from that. Oh, fucking. To chip in through rock when we start
foot and utilities.
Think that's all we have. Be as you're going today.
Question to back
up. Okay. Make sure to understand it correctly. So you've already sent out public notice
for the hearing. Yeah, it goes out in the paper tomorrow. There's nothing we can do to change
two weeks or 13 days ago.
Yeah, we'll, oh, see Doug, yes, we will post it in the community center tomorrow, but it is coming out of the paper tomorrow.
It was a minute to the paper already.
Yeah, we submitted the last week. That's why we, I know that. Yeah, before the Monday.
Yeah, that's why we had to get permission last week to do it. So we could get it in the paper.
That's where we got written permission and then, well, you guys signed the advertisement.
It's still a paper, doesn't that?
You said comedies and all that.
I thought they did.
Have a meeting this afternoon with the RTC.
And I assume we're going to be looking at the adoption of the ClickDat County Transportation module.
module, the Adam and put together, and you were on board with that, with what we recommended on changes.
Yep, they have those are all included so.
Okay.
I just find a little chair.
Yep.
That's good.
That's for what?
Result transportation.
Maybe.
If not a 8% parking.
But 2% is communion and cuts that county.
and they had sent out a transportation draft.
They're playing.
And it's basically like anything else.
It's got to be on a plan if you want funding,
or anything.
Same process.
And so that meetings this evening at four.
So we had done some amendments through the original plan.
I think we included up to the firgrings.
Yeah.
There's a chain seven, while we added the element to the, yeah, out to the dot road or
dot road.
Whatever.
That depot road.
And while we added north Columbus, foster loop road, all of that, all that
pieces have been added.
So the walking, the multi-use area is more or less what they're looking for, transportation
obviously.
Yeah.
Because it's not, you know, it's hiking, biking, access to services, a certain sort of
all different modes of transportation.
So we had a few pieces.
Okay.
I just wanted to make sure you reviewed it.
You're okay with it.
Yeah, that in a quick that trail, that was added to it too.
Yeah, the whole quick that trail, highway 142.
Oh, yes, the dream project.
And Sharon was involved seeing your services.
Not in.
Oh, that's the dream project.
That's for athletes.
What section is that on the 42 from that you're held down or where was that section? Do you know it's for the trail?
Yeah, it was in the town to click a tap.
Okay, so you're not going to tap that half that we did and then down to the community center and to the launch that was added.
Yeah, I just bring it up because that's probably our only two for actually probably 1% that we get to talk about.
It's mostly about white rail, Clark County.
Correct.
Transportation and Clark County, but it's important for us to be on top of the low bit and
have a ramp up.
And then Seth and I attended the safety.
What was the official name of that?
Safety conference.
Yes, S4U is the name of the grant, so safe streets for all, and they're doing it.
It's not necessarily a road safety plan.
It's a more of a community involvement approach to safety.
So they're doing an action plan, I guess, is what they're calling it.
Which I have some more information we should talk about later on from Scamingy County.
Some things they came up with.
Okay, because Scamingy County was involved in that too.
It was for a click that, Scamingy County and both engineers were involved with that.
the mayor's sitting away to say I'm an invention was involved because it has to do with
the intersection still, accidents, right. I thought I was a good process. Appreciate you going.
I don't have anything else. I need mission or zolver maybe today.
I also needed this if you're going to go to a liel tomorrow. We'll talk about it. Okay.
place lately after you interview it. Great. We'll be here. Yeah, yeah, I'll be here. Okay, so that's
gathering up some other stuff to greet you, and I won't have it. Okay, and all that's fine. Okay,
thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
All right, we'll go to Bill if you're ready to go. I don't think I'll just take it for just a second. Okay,
Well, that was the one. Okay. Okay, I don't know why. I will catch up with you. Okay, I can't remember why.
I'll give you something. Yes. It must be capital projects in the jail.
Maybe.
Well, good morning. Thank you for the interview.
That I see. I grabbed it on for it. But I can figure it out.
All right, so before I begin, this week goes off,
and we have a single denial, and then top of Tuesday,
but something that's also often forgotten about the first week of May,
is that in 1984,
President Reagan declared, I know you think I'm going to build a history thing, declared this, the first week of May national correctional officers week.
It's often overlooked in the industry. It's not a forward-facing profession. In 1996, Congress amended that to a correctional worker week, where we acknowledged all the correctional workers and the hard work thing.
That they do, so I wanted to just begin by thanking the men and women that work so hard for the quick attack county jail.
They're an amazing, brave group of people to work with,
acknowledge that before we move on.
Thank you.
With that, we got two vacancies still.
We've been recruiting, I've been calling people that have been on the, on the, on the,
applied to guide them into public safety testing, but nobody
can offer, of course, to pay their testing fees, but nobody's
pulled the trigger to actually go through the entire process.
But that's a couple of tests done, and then people stop me
short of taking the PT assessment, and physical
the physical abilities test and then nobody's gone to the polygraph or background and so
we continue to work on that, for strategizing on other recruitment in our area but that's
pretty limited.
So we continue to work on that. An area of concern that I have is with the
with the weather changing staff for leaving count for the weekends and being down essentially
one crew now, and if I have two or three people leaving the area, it leaves my people in the
health of the virus box, able to come in to cover vacancies is pretty much mil. And so when we're
really working hard to economize the resources that we have on site and predict like transportation,
but transportation's been killing us. It's just for myself, the last five weeks I've been
the Eastern State Hospital. And those are sometimes two staff nine hour days. And yeah,
just this last week, I spent just 12 hours on transportation. So that's the fifth,
a fifth of the week doing doing that. And so I don't say it to cry, just say it to highlight
some of the challenges that we're doing that were having to overcome.
Our food service contract,
The RFP was reviewed and it's been determined that we will remain with the contract that we currently have.
Let's get you some simple assembly products at 4.5% increase to go with the other person.
Using the metric of 2024 of 33 people in custody per day.
The metrics before that year before that because of COVID are not accurate.
So, it's really the only one we have to do about, so that's essentially 100 meals per day.
With that right now, it's 36,500 meals per year.
At $7.25, it's $264,000, $625 plus roughly $19,900, which is roughly $284,770.
budgeted for $165,000, which please me, about $197,70.
You had one.
A professional company again?
Yeah.
They provide a few services to the scale, all over the last day.
Their meal rate was less, however, they charged a $575 daily rate.
It's at 525 to a quarter of the neighbor.
Yeah, in this ex-perf meal after that.
So that fluctuates on your population up to 50.
And so when you add up all those costs
and you use the metric of 33 to the same,
that there's a 4.5% higher.
Do any jails do meal service in the house?
Yep.
Yeah, I mean, it's not a herd of, there are, it's a question that people that us prepared to answer.
With that, the American, ACAC, the American Congressional Association of Standards, there's requirements for nutrition and dietary needs.
And so the challenge with that is really having three staff to work in their kind of part-time
and then having those meals per hair delivered cooked and then dealing with special diets
and all of the things that go along with that. And then when you have an agency we own that.
So, if I could fill a cook's position, that could be really catastrophic for us.
I have reached out to Department of Corrections, Washington State Professional Industries, who does provide meal service.
And keep in that bill and we're going to revisit the conversation.
Then after their June July burst, and if we can get with them, that will be as substantial savings for us.
And there are some intricacies, a little planning around that like they bring them in frozen and we have to return them, but I have a plan for that in place. So if we get that, we'll be able to execute that plan and should be able to maintain our current budget. That's the only key button. I told them that.
you can keep running. So KVH, that's my question. So that's interesting. I can't speak for them.
I only received a 1 RFP and a 1 RFP. I didn't know if you set them a RFP. There was communication
with the KVH. Oh, I'm going to know. Um, our body-one camera contract,
they, they,
the lawyers figured it out and they have amended their language it's going to the PA.
To come back and that's the the separating of contracts from the Sheriff's Office and the jail.
The bottom line of that is that will be around a 67,936 dollar cost to separate that.
that's just on the jail end are in cell vital monitoring, that's moving forward, having discussions
with the installers to figure, because we're so small if they come in and disrupt the 20% of
our operation that takes away my observation cells, my crisis cells, and so many cells. So I'm working
with them to figure out how we can minimally impact that, and some of that is having them do a
of the assembly and work stuff, so it can be a quick install inside the cell, so we don't
actually lose the physical part of the cell while that monitoring of equipment's needs.
Well, the body can, when we do care, can we give it to a speaker?
Got a big video on the line and what I'd like to hear you out.
Thank you.
Just to remind the commissioners that we knew the body can issue last year,
after the budget was put together, but we started communicating the Motorola
It's an officer safety issue, it's just took a long time to get to this point, but that was
it was going to be a no experience, we just didn't know how much at the time. So it's not
anything new that sense the change over. Thank you. I appreciate you saying that something because
I was going to come back to it when you were dead. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
So yes, so that's a while monitoring equipment will be coming in and a huge, huge asset to us.
I know we've had a person up there on suicide watch now for four days, going on there for a thing today.
We had one person, a punch so violently at window that they shattered it, broke it, needed to be replaced and it'll sell.
So if that being down is an officer safety issue, I might already make sure that we get to keep them.
So, some good news, this is my kind of boss A, right?
Some of it over some super positive stuff.
So we've had some discussions with our current phone
contractor for the emittelephones.
And I can imagine, I grew up in a small town,
I could imagine what we'd be like to put in jail
in a small town.
And some of the screening that we do,
we try to screen for suicidal ideation and suicidal thoughts.
But somebody might not feel comfortable disclosing that information to an employee that works with us.
And so we've explored options with our phone vendor to have on the inmate phone system.
But that they can push to connect them to a suicide crisis line,
where they can get somebody outside of our organization.
Of course, best will be for them to report to us, so we can do it.
But if they choose not to, at least there's a backup secondary option.
by phone and we have there's also a service at the jail where it makes can communicate with
family on a tablet and we're looking at getting that onto the tablet this well so they
could immediately talk to somebody on a suicide crisis line and then part of their problem,
their process is they follow up later and so we'll work out those logistics when they come
but excited about that. We are working on installing an RKN vending machine in our jail lobby.
This would be a service for families who might be picking up a large portion of the people
that we deal with are co-dependent on alcohol and drugs and opioids. We all know that they're
very predominant. And so very common for them to come in and take to opioids. And so we're going
to have a service there. So there's a vending machine. So if a loved one's picking something up
or a person chooses to take it on the way out that they can have that.
There'd also be because it's a public area, it'd be available to public as well.
If they needed wanting to come in and obtain one of those products.
And how is that being under that?
I don't know, it's free.
It's a, I don't know the all the acronyms.
Oh, it's a third part.
It's a third part.
Yeah.
Bring it in.
Yeah.
Yeah, the only thing that will cost us is the electricity to plug it in in the bottom and just to geopolder on the third party vendors
Right, the geopones are set completely separate what I'm talking about. This is a vendor for
The Narkend shit, right?
Yeah, yeah, that cost is nothing just a place to put it and that's you want to design all the awesome sound absolutely
Yeah, and so it's the same same kind of thing and probably the same process
That was my first question, dude. What's it gonna cost right? Wow
but could be at every asset and so we have secure state contracts stuff back again
I said that a new at this part of the acquisition process so I feel like I've
drove my feet a little bit on it but not intentionally we've received some numbers back
on that and that and they'll see our needs with a state-of-proof contract vendor we are
trying to find out what their delivery day is,
because they, as I understand the batch of those,
and that might be a 255 delivery day for all I know.
But we're trying to see what that looks like,
and then it can make some decisions on that,
and that will be to replace our multiple transport
man that will be affectionately.
So our night lights and our holding cells
are being installed this week, which will mean
if for some reason crisis or holding no longer
will there be an option for that light to be completely black,
although the at nightlights so staff can have observation with them and it's kind of a passive light, so it's not too
right now it's either all on a 100% bright LED stuff and I could hold the imagine
being able to be intoxicated and trying to sleep that off with that bright light. Today I'll
didn't want it off so they can sleep. So this will be a happy medium so we can do our job
assessing their welfare and they can sleep it off. And then lastly we're kicking off
on our 2025 mandatory training agenda,
we're really excited about that.
That's it.
Thank you.
You want to go into detail on the 2025 training agenda.
Starts off today at the range.
We'll be out there doing our weapons qualifications
with our new weapons.
We have defensive tactics and control tactics.
line up, going to be working on that, we're going to try to do a large portion of that onsite
on graveyard to rotate through there, and then some research to we have some criteria from
the lawsuit settlement that requires some specific training and a procured that training.
It's only happens like twice a year through CJTC, so it's really hard to get in and some
it's like in-person and clear that I can't send 15 people there to do the in-person training. So we were
looking at getting that chain available to us online so you can attend on-shift and online.
So CPR first aid, A, E, B, the mandatory ones.
So nice.
Yeah.
Anything else?
No.
All right.
Thank you.
Appreciate everything you do, Bill.
Thank you.
You may see me see.
I know it's not.
Well, yeah.
What are all the games?
And that was just highlight.
I think I'm going to have an excerpt.
Richard.
I've got some handouts for you all the day. Thank you. Well, that's handy. Thank you, Richard.
Look, I'm very dead, or today.
Okay, so begin with, let's start with the math resources.
We had two technical committee meetings, and we've had some CRC meetings, citizens for view committee meetings.
Um, we have five projects that are being submitted to funding through by the
Accommonation and two by the Eastern Cooket Conservation District.
Um, I'll just go through the top five real quick, or at least five names.
We have a lower white sentiment and river conservation acquisition.
White Creek would replenish net phase three and schoolhouse Creek repairing
revival.
Those three are with the Accommonation and then we have two with the Eastern Cooket
conservation district with the Pine Creek Fish Passage Phase 2 and the Simco Springs enhancement.
I'll concern why I wouldn't say a concern below the note would be the lower white
sand river conservation acquisition anytime you can see the word acquisition it means somebody's
buying up some amount of land. This project is seeking a million dollars through the lead entity program
in funding to allow the sponsor to acquire the area around the Waysan River from RN 3.3 to 5.6 which is the
segment of the Waysan River that's within the former reservoir of the condit of the condit down.
Who's this one? The Accommonation. So, how have the accommonation is looking to purchase that land for
San and Restoration efforts? There's been a lot of discussion between the sponsor, the click
that lead entity and the Recreation Conservation Office, RCO and the sponsors repeatedly
through that they have no intention of removing public access and in addition every RCO contract
that comes out of the RCO that's going to be trying to fund this. They basically put it within
the contract that public access has fully made. So this is going to be within the contract.
which is good news, but I know that there's a considerable discussion within the CRC of what that acquisition look like.
All together with all five projects.
We have a total ask of $2,167,500, which is likely to give you a lot greater than the funding that we're going to be receiving.
but that being said, this will be the most projects that the click of that lead
underneath has had in many years and when you know when we couple this with increased
committee attendance, we're happy to report that we're stronger than we've been
in quite some time for the natural resources department, it's part of engagement
and public participation.
And as despite the potential funding cuts and
of the federal and state law law monitoring.
So we started that.
We've been engaged with that throughout the spring of 2025.
So before we monitor twice once in spring and fall of 2024,
the first period in 2024 gave us the time
to rest-allows the network.
And during the second period, we attempted
to make contact with all property owners on the network.
After the end of the second monitoring period,
fall of 2024, we made the decision
to remove the landowners that we were unable to contact and their hadn't been in the activity
at those wells this time. So basically we'd right now have a total of active 100 or two wells
that we monitored. That's down from 114. That was on the looks of the speak so we are in the
nest as we go into the fall of kind of stand-up back up to about 115 wells to monitor.
So location of where we're monitoring, I see an email from constituent in Hype Prairie, so I assume that's one of the areas.
Yes.
Yep.
Or is that where we're working pretty much?
We basically go, I want to say, in general, from Dicalt area all the way west to Glenwooden down the Hype Prairie.
It's a pretty, pretty white swamp area.
are there any areas you're targeting more than others, you know, we hear usual suspects from
people that are having problems, so. No, we we stuck with Westman on the on the books,
within within the natural resource department, so historically there's been about 115 that's
always been on there, and when it comes to measuring the metrics of the wells of where those are at,
you need to do, you need to be able to do a time series analysis on that if you wanted to,
on a particular well over a 10 or 20 year time period
and see what that kind of looks like.
So we try to keep the wells kind of the same
with the sample size, so it's been flooded in the battle.
So what we can share that battle with.
But I was wondering too,
who set up those parameters in the beginning?
Was it Department of Ecology?
Was it Fish and Wildlife?
What?
Who wanted to know what?
Was it because of river levels?
Or was it because of losing wells for areas
are over developing? I don't look into that. That's a very good question.
They've been monitoring for a long time. Yeah, I would say at least the 10 years I've been
here. They've always wondered. I know that they've had, I know the county commissioners have
had discussions in the past while which well they're kind of drying up, which ones are not.
Some of the issues in the past was with different types of water rates, which ones are junior to
other ones, as they are depleted through a rather, you know, whether it's residential impact or
not change the droughts and things of that nation, but I can look at the end of that and all the boards of change
I'd like to know what are we going to use that information for, you know, and how valuable is it?
Are we targeting areas that we really need to see that we hear from people that they're low or was it designed to target?
What's happening on the rivers?
I'm not sure if I got to look at that.
Yeah, so I'll look at the answer.
Yeah, and then I'll be part of that.
I do know at least for how we're data. In the last year we've had one housing proposal
in the work of Golden Dail that was looking to come in through the planning department they
did a pre-submission meeting and they were asking for the for the well data and what that
would look like at their housing development out there. Nothing came to fruition but that's.
At least maybe we're creating valuable documents. Yeah. Yeah.
It's interesting, because like said, when email said, you know, how much is level?
It's gone down.
And then I ran into somebody at the home guard show that said, we left up, and I pray, and actually, our aquifer must be to a better, because early church.
Yeah.
Another.
What?
Better.
Yes.
So that's why I see long-term data that.
I'm moving forward with economic development, KCQ to where we're looking at the scheduling and the executive committee meeting at the beginning of July.
I'll writing point-on-line funding usage and the possibility of utilizing that point-on-line for housing and what's in different options of that might look like.
The executive committee has all three city mares and all three county commissioners
and we would discuss basically what that would entail and hopefully that would be good timing
for kind of a brief to the full KCP or long July 22nd.
So that's what the doodle polo is.
Yes.
The Washington Economic Development Alliance, we have our next legislative retreat,
doing 11th in All-Berg, summer conference is going to be on August 11th, 13th in Tacoma.
Sitting in Gavement, we're looking at doing a memorandum of understanding for the city of Goldell
and Cadac County for consideration. The utilize approximately $116,000 from the point of
nine. That was approved from the KCP to board for the full consideration of the Board of
know what the incubator space that the Goldellum does for a park.
What's tied to that M.L.U is also a resolution from the county commissioner, so those
would basically go in and in the hand.
Before it gets to your desk, this still needs to go through PA's office, and this still needs
to go through the city of Goldell's process of signing on to that M.L.U, and make
it sure everyone's good with it.
So we're looking at maybe a month out before this contract, before you would see those contracts,
So, it's kind of the heads up,
the click pattern, no sign.
This was the draft schedule that I gave you guys.
So basically the integrative planning grant for the click pattern no
site is basically divided down into three tasks.
Task 1 is remedial investigation task 2 is the feasibility study, and then task 3 is
integrated planning. And so it basically lists out by a month what we're doing for each and every
piece of this. The contractor is Mall Foster and Longie.
This should be done by June 30th of 2026. So that's what the County Commission
is what you all might be saying here shortly. My idea of contract extension going from June 30th of
this year, you know, and basically standing that to June 30 of the next year, and this would
be the contract between the county and the Department of the College,
but outside of that,
I tried to mitigate expectations. Historically, with some other people utilizing the integrated
planogram, this might take two to three years. So we're being aggressive on shooting it for a year,
but mitigating expectations.
Additionally, we have a job fair
that we sponsor every year at the Goldilb High School.
This year it will be May 28th from 132 to 3 p.m.
We've had several businesses attending
as well as multiple county deferments,
which includes the Department of Corrections
and then our dispatch will be there for the job fair.
Thank you for included that.
Okay. That's a good.
Our first portable housing advisory board meeting is going to be scheduled for May 22nd at 9 a.m. And that's to.
That's our initial meeting, but the process that is basically utilizing the document firing fees. That's that's within that fund.
That means what the document filing fees, so every time you file documents, the cost, a nickel instance, so that is really the fund rose very, very slowly and after eight years.
Or about 160,000 dollars.
And so we typically administer that, you know, every seven or eight years and then we let it build up again.
So that's here then.
22nd? Yes, constructs.
And then for reasonable engagement with our Department of Ecology folks,
Chelsea will be attending the Washington State Brownfield Conference in the Aquaman later this month.
The agenda includes breakout sessions such as Brownfield's fundamentals workshop,
pin-up opportunities, and rural communities, and or alternative investment analysis. And that's not
just some things that potentially we could utilize.
We've put that on the side of both of them.
Maybe other properties within the county for local owners.
So, for some state-level briefing stuff,
we continue to monitor the state budget regarding the ADO funding,
the Associate Development Organization funding
is what funds our economic development specialist,
positioned as well as some of my wages.
As proposed right now, commerce is looking at a total of 50% reduction in state funding for the program with new contracts that will go into effect July 1st.
We've heard that the governor will not be making a final budget decision until May 19.
A longer history of the ADO funding, because I know that sounds scary, is there's a $840,000
per year reduction for the 2025-2027 by Ania, which brings it to $8,000, or $8,000, or $8,000,000, $4,000,000, $4,000 for the by Ania, which is just below the 2021-2021-2023 wells.
So, really, we're just going back to the 2021 months.
If that makes sense on the funding for the ADL specifically,
I don't think we're going to be seeing much changes
as far as what it does for us and our program for sample ages.
I see it being the same.
But because the ADL did a tremendous amount of work for the pandemic,
from 2021 to 2023. Well, from 2020 to 2023. So from 2020 to 2025, the governor's office gave
the adios a lot of additional funding and now they're basically going back to the prior loans.
More or less. But a more concern is can be the reduction across the board in a number of different
programs within the Department of Commerce that they typically provide.
But, you know, we're going to have to stay tuned for that and see how the governor, uh, you know, what way he decides on the 19.
That's a resources. The salmon recovery funding board has been a lot of another 25 million dollars for the next
.
These bills still need signature from the governor, but Senate Bill 5390, increases the price of it
to discover past from $30 to $45 per year, and it requires the RSU of the facility to facilitate
the conversation on recreational funding at the WDFW, DNR, and state parks and provide a report to
to state sure at $206 at a cost of $150,000.
We have Senate Bill 558 free increases,
fees on hunting, and fishing licenses.
It took a precursory look into the bill.
It looks like it's kind of across the world.
I don't want to just don't let out there that that's been signed.
Or it has been passed by the Senate,
looking for the government signature.
and then the last that is Senate Bill 2003 creates a required endorsement for
Sam and Stilet fishing on the Columbia River. So more specifically,
the
cost-free endorsement is $50 for residents and non-residents, $6 for youth and seniors,
and the Columbia River is defined as going from a line across between the
Washington in Tom Point, Oregon, which is basically the west side, all we're able to achieve just the
dam, which is these sides, so that will be cupped as all of us. And then last, the not least, I do have an
ask. This would be for, you know, I'm basically asking if we can proceed for with extending the clerical
administrative assistant, three within the office from going from three days to four days, a week.
As we go from three days to four days week, that does not change the status of the employee.
As far as benefits or wages or anything like that.
So, it's basically going from three days week to four days week.
It's already within this year's budget.
And those funds are paid for within the 209.
And the point out, so this doesn't touch the general fund at all.
And that total is going to be approximately 75,000 hours per rest of this year.
those funds cannot point online, which is restricted use, and you can only use the point of
nine funds for it for economic development, infrastructure projects, or staff wages.
So,
may it be a proceed.
That's so quick. Clarification. You say three days to four days.
You said 24 hours to 32 hours? Yes. Not four events. Well, I just want to clarify,
education of ours there.
That's historically been five days a week position.
Yeah.
That.
The
work is there.
I'm good with them.
Well, that's where I'm going to work.
What would be the tasks?
Well, the additional.
So some of the issues that we had, we had
got between the previous position being filled
and then the person is filling it right now.
So we weren't about, I would say, six, eight months, we did have something that was in there for a couple months and she moved on to another position across town.
So really, those job, that job title within that position was being divided into three between me, Chelsea Keaton, that had belonged into that position.
And so we were able to cover down, nothing fell off the table or anything, we're making sure things were getting done.
But as the position is back in there, I look at those, you know, a simple thing, not the only thing, but a simple thing would be, for instance, the invoice that we get through the natural resources department, and the, and the economic development department, I see the clerical administrative assistant being able to do that work.
And then allowing, and that's resource product coordinator in the economic and
own specialist, actually try to grow some of our programs and doing higher
level work that we actually paid them to do, as opposed to taking that work
a little off of the clerical administrative assistance desk.
Well, and I appreciate during that time that they picked those duties up to keep
you guys from following the park.
For me, it's time to take those fat from them and give them to somebody who's appropriate to do those daily.
Yeah.
And it keeps those timely too.
Not that they were behind, but I could see what a mix that would be.
Yeah.
So like another instance would be war appointments, the technical committee in the system review committee,
the lodging tax advisory committee.
A lot of our appointments go through the clerical administrative assistant.
Over last, I'd say, the last year since most of 2024, we, we, me, Charleston, team have kind of
dove into those.
But I look at that, and I say, should we really be diving into some of these tasks that really
should be going over to our clerical administrative assistants for focusing on these bigger
ticket items?
Good for me, as it did give you a cross-training for a little bit.
It did.
because I have to be done.
Mr. Chair.
Just a point of clarification.
It's fact to work.
It was never was five days.
One day when we was always solid waste and
Mackenzie's, it's some of those duties.
So the part that was a personal resource and
economic development is fact that now you're approval would be
back to where he historically has been.
But it was never five days focused on
that you resource your economic development, so this, yeah. So, in the benefits of the
issue, we incur next year, you know, benefit cost this year, because employee decline benefits,
but the position will qualify for benefits, and that will be next year, next year, next
year, budget cost.
So,
okay, okay, okay. Are there any questions in reverse to the, the
that graph, that whole side graph, I'm in there.
Think you're saying it's a draft,
seems a lot of these, it's just a draft song.
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Oh, here's my first picture, it doesn't just drop off.
So, we made it easy way to do here.
Yes, yes.
Science.
Okay, well, you guys have nothing else for me.
Thank you.
And we take 10 minutes, recess, twice.
We do 15?
Yes, let's do 15 of this.
Break, yeah, hi.
Yeah, that'd be crazy.
Yeah, I think that's that.
All right.
It's 1036, we'll call them meeting back door.
I'm going to have.
Brasher.
And honor here.
To talk about our meeting from yesterday.
Yeah, so we.
And we had our finance committee meeting yesterday and we just do an update to the board.
So that finance committee first actually exists in the treasurer the auditor and chairman of the board.
So we'd like to update the whole board.
So we are working on changing the finance committee to specifically discuss.
Finally, it always has, but I mean, just specifically about quarterly finances.
So we went through it's the first quarter, so there's really not it's kind of a very early
on type of situation to the financials.
So essentially we just talked about the expenses and the revenue.
And so, do
you want to go through the expense side
and I can go through the realm of the side?
But we just had a lot of good expenses as a whole
and tried to narrow down what information was relevant,
what the finance committee wants to see sort of settled
on taking it, a global look at where expenditures are
and then discussing any ones that may have may be of concern,
somebody who is,
so for the first order, we should be at about 25% of our expenditures
that will be some skewed things like IT,
paste for subscriptions at the beginning of the year.
We pay for insurance,
I don't know, other than the department,
at the end of the year.
So it'll be behind them and have a big hit
at the end of the year.
So there will be some of those outliers.
But generally, you should be right at 25-ish per set.
Some looking at ones that aren't there, either because they're
over and via that over, or they're significantly
under and why are they significantly under,
because that may indicate that we're over budgeting, or stuff.
So looking at some of those things that don't basically
track where they'd expect them to be.
And so I had to broaden the general fund departments and so we kind of look through some of those and everything up here to be pretty much right at the 25% piece as far as we were looking at.
And then I brought some revenue numbers and I brought the five revenue numbers but I'm really kind of focused on this time.
which is property taxes, sales, tax, reach, investment interest in the landfill, those go to
multiple different funds, but those are the huge portion of the dollars that we bring in to the
different piece. So when I looked at property taxes, I was looking at the road and the general
fund property taxes because we do get taxes in both. It was not very exciting because it's in Q1.
Q1 ends in March. We don't have very many property taxes. We do most of our tax collection
in April and May, so it will be a different picture when we look at this in July.
So right now, we looked at the budgeted numbers.
We have $5.7 million of property tax for budgeted for this coming year for the general fund
and we have $5.6 million budgeted for the road fund.
So we then talked about sales tax.
We are at about 27% of our budget of 3.6 million.
So that was a nice number to see where we're at.
And we talked about rates not a huge driver.
The one thing that is that was redrawed to the capital budget.
So all the read dollars go into fund 303.
So I did stick it on my little sheet here.
will look at this, this is the year goes on. There's also, if there's other numbers that you
know, to try to get to, and maybe a top five to ten that we can look at, you know, but there's
a lot of pieces, but if you add those up, those were really going to go a long way. So we're at 21% on
re, which is probably, it's hard to tell, but again, it's hard to get excited about three months
of data when you're trying to look at the longer period and where housing sales are and different
things like that. So interest investment interest revenue. We did budget 1.4 million. I think
it's a number. We're all just a tissue nervous with. But so far we looked good. We're at 26%
to that number through the first, first three months. And then the landfill, the landfill only
includes quarter one payment. So that would be the payment we gotten January, which would be
the activity in December and so that was at 26%. I did look at because we did get the second payment
which came in April and so when I added that one in just out of curiosity because I did
give everybody we were at 49.4% of our budget so the length is so far through the first two payments
seems to be tracking to the 8.7 million that we have budgeted.
Um, these questions on any of those topics.
No, I, I appreciate it because I went through for an adventure.
I had a lot of the bills that I didn't get the read that I grabbed the others.
The other thing we talked about with regard to revenue is paying attention to where we budgeted things
because we made some adjustments at the end
to have a balanced budget,
where we actually went above numbers
that we were comfortable with sales tax,
was one of those, the landfill was one of those.
So we really need to be making that metric
because it's a larger delta if we don't make that metric
because we knew we were kind of inflating those numbers.
And I think the other one is investment interest was part of that.
So, you know, as the, if the economy, if interest rates do go down, our investment interest
is going to go down.
So that's not a number that may be recurring for 10 years in a row.
We, you know, that we'll have to kind of see how that all plays out.
As normally, it wasn't it for subtle middle budgets, we're going to need to come up.
The income was that these numbers came in a little higher.
I think they've done that, they use that in themselves. That's what Jen would do, yes.
I don't talk about that. Tell us when we first started talking about the budgets.
Last year when we first started talking about the budgets,
I think it had gone way far on the lower side.
And then we brought it back, so I'm not too worried about that.
I think it's tracking.
Yeah, I think I mean, I think that was one of the things we looked at the land filled dollars from like 1998 and they seemed to trend that, you know,
eight, nine million, and so I think, you know, they point seven, it's not.
I mean, it still is a testament all the way around as the whole budget is. So it's just a map.
We're trying to track those and see where we're going to be at.
You came out with a graph, tracking.
Yeah, I just grabbed like a landfill and I will send the, I just, if it's not very pretty.
So I wasn't going to hand it out.
Okay, right, the second, but yeah.
So I was going to come next to me because I was going to be able to put the little charts in there.
We're needed to go.
But I will send you.
I will send the board a graph of the landfill.
I think sometimes we over budgeted what the main fill was producing, it's been pretty consistent
for a while and I think we got a little aggressive thinking, it was going to solve some
of our problems and it wasn't, we just wanted to just, you know, solve it.
I think for the last three or so years we've done a good job of budgeting our real number.
And then if it comes in great, we can use some of that money to, again, do a supplemental
that need be or take care of things that are over that we can arise because we're going
expenses that are going to come in over what we think they might be in the other questions on that?
No, I'm thinking investments would be your biggestest one right now.
Yeah, that's so far they sell. They tell this straight. So we'll see kind of where we stand,
but I think we're okay through for a bit. We'll see how that year ends. Yes sir.
Do you have any verify what comes in from the landfill? Do you guys feel good about it?
they'll trust them there, but I trust that I bought it.
That's all.
I saw that for all.
I mean, I think that we get the spreadsheets that they provide to when they do it.
When we look at them, I mean,
I don't have a stop person that's counting the containers that are driving up the hill.
So I don't have that.
I think it's more of a feel of whether it seems to be working.
I don't know that there's.
And I don't read public tracks everything by cargo container work comes from its very detailed
again.
But we don't count the Joe doesn't count the containers coming in there, and what's in
them different kinds of ways, because there's lots of different kinds of ways to go in there,
and we're paying different amounts for the different kinds of ways.
So there would be hard for us to do a deep dive, I think, to other than the report we get,
which is, I don't know, if you've seen it, it's very detailed, that's great sheep.
Well, we have this discussion before a year or so ago, when there's questions about that,
and they actually came in and had discussions about their oversight and their accountability,
and their accounting, and ours track pretty well with what they have to report to the government,
everybody else. So, it was a concoction, it was fairly easy to put it all together.
They don't, they have oversight to psychate for videos.
Yeah, I just know everything comes in, gets way in, wait a second.
Oracle, it's not.
Yeah, whether it, or it's that.
The other element that we spent to pretty good talk
at the time talking about yesterday was sales tax.
So the sales tax number, as I said,
we are on track again, remember what it is when you are at 980,
and through the first three months in the year.
We didn't get Lundhill, did their renewable energy credit,
so we did see that come through.
So we are going to have to return about $973,000
worth of sales tax that we received
that we will return back to the state so that they will be able to
and actually the transactions already happened
because they needed it off of some of our numbers.
So, I wanted to make sure that the board was aware that's the money that we kind of reserved it.
We put it into a fund and we try to go through the sales tax information and look and see what's coming in from renewable energy projects.
And we put that off to the side so that when the money, when we have to pay the money back, we do not.
It does not hit our current expense buckets, so we have that, I don't want to say reserved,
but kind of we're planning on then having to give that money back.
So I haven't been able to confirm with them whether they did a 50% a 75% or a 100% piece
on working with the DOR on that, but that did come through.
So I think that's something to note.
that is all part of RCW E2.08.962.
Kudos to Greg, though, not all counties that take the war side
for money and side, that's a big outing.
I appreciate that.
It's been did that way for a while.
We've been kind of, we've had to pay other ones back.
So that we do, it's a good, I try to,
I try to protect that because it is helpful
because I don't other counties that had to pay it out
the current expense and it was pretty painful.
But you'll have a pre-feron number, yes.
So, we could take this once again to our representatives
and the legislature that this is what green projects
are costing us from the sales tax side that we're not receiving.
And I think that is a piece of the pie.
When you get down to, like, for example,
House Bill, 1960, they went through the try to deal with some other
pieces of it. There are multiple elements of these projects being sighted in our area.
And so we're, you know, it's like we have a problem here. We also have a problem here with sales tax.
That's a big amount of money.
Yeah.
So that also works in the same principle when they repower.
I'll say a site.
I believe a new site.
A new site for sure. I believe the repowering qualifies as well.
I think the word I will be honest with you as a county and we're going to have a treasurer's
association meeting for the Southeast region, which will be a click-it-tad yacamon, been
Franklin, that crew, where they're actually citing these projects, I think one term we need
to be very careful, they get thrown out round a lot in the, in the, in the, a new
energy is this repower word because a lot of things want to catch up, repower, there's
really no good definition of repower, you know, I think the originally in the
House of the 1960 they wanted to say, oh, if they repower at 30% or greater, what
is that, what what we're exactly is that point and I think the worth repower is just a
part where it's in a lot of language and I just don't know that we know exactly what we
need to say if they're changing their names like, right, or if they're going to produce
because, like, for example, we have some, you know, they're going to change up and
the cells and the blades or they're going to do different things. And, you know,
what a value, what they're saying. Yeah. So, I just think that's one thing. It's not necessarily
a county that could affect county thing. It's more of a state thing because everybody wants to
throw, oh, when we repowered. So, for example, the last version of that health of the 1960 was,
they were not going, they were going to leave all the things alone. And they were only going to
new projects we're going to pay exercise tax. But then they said, oh, but if they
re-power, then they're going to convert from one to the other. Well, where is
what's the re-power? What are it does that mean that they're going to do this? And then
are we going to have a battle with the developers? And I'm not trying to say that there's a
right or a wrong. It just would be nice to have very clear and concise items as best as we
can into the RCWs, but, yes, you're correct, 973,000 dollars.
If you have something, if the state wants to get their sales tax away, so be it.
Because they want to push the mix.
But why over the counties have positive each?
Just, more importantly.
But now we're going to do another, or you will have to do another thing.
I think that's the true number.
That's okay until that I haven't looked at it.
We can be, this is power of the vaccine.
Just one question.
And you said you're not clear on the weather,
it's 2550.
No, the numbers are 57,500.
So if you go to the RCW that it basically says
that you'll get 50% back if you feel
a bit working go through and it's all in RCW 82, 08,062.
Then you'll get 75% back
If the L&I does some things with prevailing wage and there's a whole bunch of other sections to get to that level.
And then there's another set of requirements with labor and industries and so on and so forth to get the 100% refund.
So I have not asked, I'm working with the Department of Revenue to understand a little bit more of the audit process.
And again, it's a new person, so we have had these, we dealt with this not when the landfill did that.
We had to pay back some money for that project because there was sales tax paid on that.
So it's been a different person from that to today at the ARP.
I know we're quite a bit tired,
tied to our apprenticeships and how much you use
our apprenticeships,
so,
but it's just when the state dictates to the county
of our financial restraints,
right?
We're all in a different place.
Now we have a number, but you'd say,
this is just one of these kind of projects costs.
We eat any questions on that,
any further ones.
And that just under a million dollars,
that was for 2024.
for. No, it went back to 20, either late 22 or early 23. I think it was from the mouth
that period. Yeah, when they end the, because like, I mean, you know, if it's it's sales
tax over the life of the, but I have them building the project. Yeah. Then I don't remember. I know
it was, I, I'm pretty sure it was in the 22, but I cannot remember. I know for sure there was 23
numbers in there.
We also talked about legislation in regards to other pieces and parts that,
you know, where things are coming and it sounds like the pot is going to come in a couple of weeks
or something. I was asking the chair and I was just because I wanted to listen as to what things
kind of the day after the governor signs or be kind of. Yeah, just to kind of, and I think everybody's
the same boat trying to understand what we're the best settled in, you know, if there's an
intensification to crop. I'm only interested really in the property tax, part or you know,
how that's going to impact some of those things, but I'm sure there's some interesting legislation.
So, but one that we talked about a little bit was just in the schools and the increase or decrease
to their levy amounts, or to their budgets, I guess. But that was about it.
One thing we did talk a little about is on the vehicle,
find that some people's budgets.
Is it the VR or not, though?
VR and arts, or whether, like Americans or other,
right, and we transferred year-end.
The question is, should we be transferring that more up front?
So people don't feel that about this money in their budget,
and they're great on the budget because the number is all good, and then that is faster.
Major budget is probably doesn't manage much, but smaller budgets is probably more for the impact.
So there was just some discussion we had come with. So every department that has it be what are
more vehicles sets aside money for the VR and our fund and we transfer it out from their departmental
into the VRR fund and to believe we do that at the end of the year. So the discussion was about
moving now and other transfers as well to the front of the year to make sure that we're really sort
of truing up our activity to well be budgeted in some cases and just, you know, I'm going to
to take care of it, so it doesn't, but it gets sitting out there available for spending.
So we're just trying to make it to save, but it sounds like it's probably better
to do earlier in the year or later in the year. So the part of us don't have a false
because especially when we're looking at percentages of expenses, you know, about 50% or 75%,
that there's not some public noise at home, you know, third quarter they're at 70%
when they should be, you know, if they're at 75. Then this money's still set in here and
then all of that gets smooth.
Just kind of leads into a couple of the things that we're going into
budget. One setting aside money potentially for different place A vehicle because we know
the insurance doesn't cover, we totally vehicle and then there's discussion about setting
money aside potentially for retirement, typically at least one of their
retirement in the county, putting money aside somewhere to. So, yes, and the problem.
Yeah, retirees, especially long term. Yeah, well, he's rich.
Yeah, I think that's most
and as we prepare at the end of report, we will have data on what that looks like as
cashouts and compensated absences. We have some of that data now in the state of honor. It's
required to be able to warrant detailed in that calculation this year or so. It is something we
should discuss at such a time. So, so is that sickly vacation and contact as liabilities and
the new
calculation requires us to calculate the use value to that we have to do this formula that says
can you take an average employee in these, this would be sick days, and this would be vacation
days, because it's a compensated absence, or you're not getting the value of the employee
working if they're out of sick or on vacation, so that's they want this more extended
population of what that looks like. And also, potentially, you know, 70.
That's not sicker on vacation, particularly in departments like the sheriff's. Yeah, there's so many
else that's kind of something where it's a 24-7, and a little more, you know, critical.
And it's a big deal that somebody doesn't pick up the phone.
I don't see me not so much in my office that what is, what is the real cost of somebody being out sicker on vacation?
Because now you've got a overtime or whatever.
change if we went to the different great which the name we went to the change when you still have
to do the calculation on a key deal versus yeah the key one yes yeah
any compensated absence
no I appreciate you coming in and I have had some conversations with Heather and I think we
when we were looking at since we're in Lui,
that we set aside money,
after Jan left, perhaps out of the site,
though there's something like that,
bringing her in for the next month or maybe even two months.
So, yeah, so with Heather,
he used her to help Heather on the supplement.
Yeah, 10 hours, I think.
Go ahead.
Other time, Kurt, he was 9.56, but I don't know.
Well, as well as when a new person arrives, showing them where everything's at, and it's
fine how she did it. I mean, no person may want to do it different. Which is fine. We
may want to see it something different. But at least show where the stuff's at was the intent.
I think that allowed before the start date, so with that
allowed. Yeah, I didn't even think
No, no, no, all of you.
But if you're wanting to need this information,
actually I was going to talk about it today,
kind of, especially on the revenue numbers,
you know, the expense, nothing.
Out of whack.
But it's first quarter, you know.
But I appreciate you grabbing these numbers,
because that's what I had worked on mine.
That was the top.
Or I didn't have to read.
But I had the other, those are important.
And I understand sales tax is a little more difficult because you just closed that, you know, but it's like, okay, where are we versus working budget and, you know, you hear people come in while you're budget's bleeding them like that, but all apparently I'm not understand it because I want to see you warm around now that, you know, and I think your brother to have to set up, you know, when we get another vote, so I think Q2 will be a little bit more.
interesting to be able to look and take the same pieces and look at the same information
and go, okay, we're going to have obviously six months of activity of things, and then
we're going to start to see where things are added to hopefully.
The other pieces, we have more time to adjust right now, right?
So if you look at the numbers, you could change, trajectory, things are really out of whack.
The closer we get to the end of the year, the less time there is to change.
Now, if I would ever code in, I would have a couple of men to break together yesterday's.
I thought it was very perfect.
Me, that's kind of what I want to look at, look at a high level.
How's everybody doing together?
Switch.
And revving, switched.
And then if we see something a little off,
then we go look at individual different departments.
And even just look at the parts yesterday.
It was like, oh, I didn't realize some of this.
It was good.
So thank you.
No, I appreciate hearing from the people that
had read it in a rather than set position
in those statements that get out there
and then things start snowballing.
So I appreciate the updates.
I think it helps the public.
Oh, my goodness, this guy is not falling.
No, it's, it may be.
It was good for me because I sent through the process last year and I didn't realize that we pumped up some of these numbers at the end.
You know, like said, they're a little more conservative, uh, what it is, what it is,
and we just need to pay attention to it.
And at the end of the year, what that means, you know, like you said, you rolled
3 million carry over the last year and went over to lunch, 25.
Okay, that's great.
Find after supplements.
And supplements may be, what happened?
a lot tighter than what you wish you are less than wanting, but you know, 25, but she
preferred not to.
And for the public, what is 125?
Can you believe we sort of.
Oh, my apologies.
Everything.
Thank you.
No, that's good.
Well, thank you very much.
No.
I was going to bring this up to David and then as the board, what would you like to sing you
when we have not going to need these one of it? Sure, great. It sends out and then it sends out
that they kind of handed out. So you kind of see the same thing. Because I want to see the
to do the fashion of revenue, you know, a silver, all the day we got it now. We didn't
dive down to like, camera action steps. That would probably turn 50,000
poor. We didn't dive right into that. Say, does that online or not? I want you to do more
deep dives from off the little bit. Yeah, it's something that it does on season and when the
state's getting money about us. Yeah. And so I'm in the lobby to say that with a great book
Yeah, I'm happy we're having a lot to see how you give it to you.
No, I'm happy.
Here's my level.
That's what you want to see, and then you want to dive into each other.
We'll be starting the budget.
So you'll see not close.
Then, you know,
but anyhow, that helps me.
I'm a paper person.
So I know it is or I can go back to it.
I always work on lettuce.
So that's where it's, no, all right, budget's.
Let's start with high dollar items
and then you get down one of the details.
Yeah, you go down.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for that guy at the time.
Well, it was good for me.
Because I guess I didn't look at it.
That close on what the exact budget number is for.
So all right.
We got anything else the board has?
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
You had asked the question.
Me?
No, it's hot.
Uh, hopefully that was the answer.
Uh, not last year, after all.
Lisa sent out an email to the community.
They got back and said June 5th.
And that's just when we set up a neutral location.
Oh, it'd be like 11 to 1235.
So we just recess here both there and then be back for our white car.
That's when they're eating.
You said either of that data or the next.
They.
So what is within neutral location?
I think that goes back in the past.
We're still out of the booths.
best. Thank you partnerships. Please come here.
And in my frustration with them not getting back,
protocol is World War III, so you needed meeting with another board or maybe Scamey County
bringing in, we all say sure, and then she doesn't work for us. And that's proper protocol for them
here from our club, couldn't even name her song, because it's probably by a frustration.
Yep. I'd been through that.
I did.
After the email waiting thinger from the park, we're at the park reach now.
You said there were having a meeting, I believe it was today, and it's hoping to get
Hactos, he was actually excited. The boatboard should meet and want to meet him and go through with the
downed version. What they got going and then go to Dalsport.
Yep. And then they go in. He was like, no, this is neat. And you can see the new project that we're doing,
which was funded with the old $9, whether you don't have the ground. So he said,
better to get back to us after they're meeting today. So that's good too. Yeah, it's been a
long time since we've spent time. That was the two of the meetings.
So, Lori, can you
I mean, the landfill gas, what's that? Is that called a committee? So, good
inspection. Yes. I guess we're a committee of two.
And so, how is that? You, you were on that last year?
Or is this here? Yeah, normally it's chair. Yes.
I asked for her since she's still a little bit else saying that else for discussions.
We were in the middle of that project.
Let's say I want that, I'm asking if it just rolls through them up E.K., working with them.
So do we need to kind of put some agenda items that we want to talk about?
Is that one?
Oh, four.
Yeah, that one we're talking about.
Yeah, that's probably what we're going to start.
We're going to talk about the agreements.
Because, like I said, it's all about process.
And when you meet with Dan and Dan, you know, both you guys and
talk about, you know.
And it's actually a structured meeting.
It goes through their secretary and she advises a time that I'm available.
And I'm going to the PD meeting and their secretary sits in with this index meeting,
that's in great support. So it's a formal meeting.
We hold on to the men,
but do you know why that commitment, why it is set up like that?
That. It's just in the original agreement of when we created that's been how many years ago.
Do you have that two thousand five?
I don't know.
I know there's one amendment, but I think that will set up. I think two of them.
Five signs do you have? I think they had a mutual project that they thought was beneficial
And it was an easy way to get two people together to get a meal without boards and boards.
And they were good partners.
Um, have no problem looking to the good of the people and giving out infrastructure.
Right.
You weren't worried about it.
But it's, so that's that money that once it's in our account.
Yes, that is.
Well, at least that you, you do all that accounting for it.
But in that account in the best place within the agreement, how it could be used?
Yeah, there's four things that I think it's three or four that can be used for.
Yeah, because if I recall, I signed some for the supplemental, because there were certain things that wasn't budgeted.
That was approved.
So now we need to just identify that it's not that removed money.
It's just I didn't buy those couple of croquants.
And I want to be any different if we decided to do this.
I have to go to the ground to sell the panel.
But they end, and so I'm a man.
Because that agreement, so basically,
Kleftat County gave our landfill gas rights to the PV
in lieu of $250,000 a year.
I would have to go back and talk to people
who were involved in that and understand the rationale and also from the P.D. side. What was that negotiation
that we landed on that that seemed like that was something they wanted to do?
That would have been other negotiations for where we didn't do any more.
So, I don't know, I'm absolutely happy to see what happens.
Yeah, it's like, you know, so I, I cover Texas, so per me basin. So, and the oil company
came to me and said, you know, they won't buy mineral rights in my oil rights. And we
have to have a deal, but then for me to get that money, I need their approved, right? I mean,
yeah, that's that all, yeah, yeah. But again, it seems like a small amount to you is what I
you're saying, and maybe we kind of gave the cow away.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going over that.
I'm just wondering, it's just one or twice.
That's why I'm saying, you have to go back and really research the documents and then talk
to the people that were involved and get it firsthand.
Because if you're not getting firsthand, it's just speculation and we don't know why they
get it.
But I'm just saying, yeah, it's an agreement or full parties have to agree or nothing.
Right.
They didn't have to agree with that.
and I don't know what else went with that. There's other things that went with it like we get reduced rates on
Electrical, we have quite a few other things going on with that that happened through the landfill and through the landfill gas.
Yeah, that was it. Overwhelmingly, a great partnership with some potentially issues are concerns.
So yeah, so I think maybe with a board if you have some ideas for the meeting to give to Lisa, you know, I was talking about.
And it may come out as far as I know that is, well, maybe somebody, you know,
a bar member needs to sit down in the other building owner needs to sit down and have
that discussion or if we need to talk.
It doesn't need to be renegotiated because it was just a set B or a type of deal.
And it didn't have a desk to wait around it or whatever.
I think it's good discussions.
And who drafts the agreements when we're, when we're, given that money away, and we're
bunnies, something.
I like who drafted the last.
I also have a community that, um,
or did you, through a combination.
It's a combination of go station with the language and drafted, and then it's true to you about a couple of counts.
So, like, did you do that on a lease on that, would you still want to pay on that?
So, you think did you do that?
Yeah, and then they submit over to us for a review of it.
And it had several revisions before we were out meeting.
That's why the timeframes that people were at question timeframes.
Well, it takes time to get a document to us.
We get it back to them.
We also legal.
That just takes time to get it down to where we think it was possible.
And I know there's questions about the four caveats that are in there, but for me, I would have never taken them over.
I thought they were in a cheap bowl bowl. And there were nothing that Dallas brought.
Wasn't quite a good thing for that we're left in there.
But it's some of the issue for it at all.
We were all there and did get to us.
to discuss the capsules and burrows and I don't know what that P.B.D. discuss capsules.
And maybe that would be a new working order from now and maybe we need to.
That in history we've never brought it all towards it to prove we've just improved at that level.
That's how it's always done.
No, I just say, I
don't know, but no, if you have some, like, want to talk about them,
bring that, let's put it on for that agenda, because I think that's what I said in
the album, with them, we need to have some discussions, but in my opinion, like I said,
the
escalator, I mean, most of the facts have us.
Yeah, very.
So, but, I mean, it doesn't hurt that discussion.
It's not about not having that.
So, they had better negotiators than we did obviously.
So, apparently so.
Apparently we didn't, but Steve, it's Julia won that one.
Maybe we did.
Yeah.
Well, maybe we did.
Steve did a lot of land bill negotiations because the land on you look at that
Republic since the after a bank all they're like we don't have the gas to that
I think and the county did very good negotiating to keep the gas up there that will
He signs the tipping, which was above him, you know, a journal, was also the gas.
I mean, we had some good conversation on the other side.
Well, you see, because most, you know, you talk either, you know, waste management.
I don't know if it's 100%, but I think...
It's not 100%.
Yeah, almost every gas contract, the, you know,
problem with all that. They said every facility, they own those pathways.
So, so we have
some good negotiators on the side. Now we get good there, but yeah, maybe we can go
steam all the other hand, then we are just going to come out.
All in, not in 30. Okay. Okay.
I make one for recess and move the recess.
All right, it's now in a clock, I'll call the meeting for the Board of
The
next item
approval of the business agenda.
Well, I didn't see Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion for approval on the business agenda.
Okay.
May I move in a second?
I mean, discussion.
Here and none.
All those in favour?
Signify.
Say hi.
Hi.
Motion carries.
Next.
I'm approval.
Are the question mean?
Dean minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I make a motion for the approval of the meeting minutes.
for 422, 25, can I do them both at once? Sure. And 429, 25.
And I say, Dave, I've been moved a second need discussion on the meeting minutes.
Here in the unit. We'll vote on the motion. All those in favor say aye.
Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Next item, public comment.
Individuals attending in person, you're invited to step forward
when you're recognized for those participating on Zoom, please use the hand
function or dial one of the numbers listed above and press star 9. I'm
recognized by the chair. You'll have three minutes. So I will start in the room.
Anybody in the room would like to start?
Okay, my name's Bill Clark. I live in
I'm also an elected member of the Dollsport Community's Dollsport Murdoch Community Council.
And I'm here today with some questions from community members.
Okay, number one.
Community members are wondering why a re-hearing for Dollsport wastewater is being held in Goldendale
when only Dollsport residents are impacted by this.
Number two, other concerns are, why is there no communication between county and
Dallasburg?
We have a community council meeting the second Thursday of each month, the next one's
two days from now, and the commissioners should at the very least every two to three
months drop by and let us know, give us an update on what's going on.
People don't like being treated as if they don't matter.
I mean, my wife personally has asked several questions and never gotten an answer.
as I know many other people have also. Why would the county not want to turn this asset over to
someone who's going to pay for it? You know, why would they be willing to give the plant,
the wastewater plant, that's worth millions of dollars to somebody, the KPUD in particular,
for nothing. The county's out of money. Why not put it up for bid and let someone buy it?
Okay, on August 16th, 2022, almost three years ago, county commissioners David Sotter,
Jacob Vanderson, Dan Christopher, held their weekly meeting in Dallas, Port.
They said at that time the bond for the wastewater plundered been paid off.
The county did not want to be in that business.
They offered the Dallas Port community a chance to consider ownership of that facility.
A copy of the PUD's budget was personally handed to me that night.
Okay, the Community Council formed a committee to look at the proposal, a walkthrough of the plant was done several times.
Numbers of maintenance issues were turned up.
FOIA requests were submitted by our committee for financial and other information.
They were stone walled at every turn.
We were told we don't know what we're doing and we're nothing but a bunch of winers and complainers.
And that doesn't set well.
There are numbers of people that live in Dallas port with wastewater and all inch, they've worked in that field and they know what they're doing and the PUD budget frankly was over inflated.
I mean, I'm an ex banker, I can tell you that.
You need to talk with us. Commissioners are elected to serve the residents and the taxpayers of the county, not special interests or other individuals.
Miss Zola attended several meetings when she was a candidate for commissioner.
She said she'd help us resolve some of these important issues.
Hasn't happened.
Mr. Iary was a candidate's night last fall in Dallas Court.
And my wife asked him in front of me if he was elected, would he work for the county citizens?
Or was he going to be in bed with his friends and former business associates?
I heard him tell her. He would do what is best for the people to click at that county.
Okay, then do it.
With all of doing it.
Oh, best.
Oh, our bills.
Unfortunately, our personnel.
That's three minutes bill.
Yeah, well, with all due respect.
If you want to make a.
I don't know.
I don't know how to do anybody else.
That's all I got to say.
Thank you, Bill.
Okay.
Well, I wouldn't like going to that meeting in less.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah, there we go.
Thank you.
And I know sometimes it's like that.
I appreciate that.
I just have a follow-up question actually to what the gentleman just asked.
and that was Roger what at least is here. Okay.
Testing one two hello test. I've got plenty
of audio at this end.
Testing one two one two test. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I don't know.
So, what's going to end up happening is I'm going to...
Testing one.
Look at your transcript.
We just can't share it.
Ah, but let's ignore it to reset.
Yeah, because it will stray right now.
It's still right in there.
Yeah, I'm going to have to shut down.
you've met everybody back in. So you've got to shut down and then allow everybody to read?
Unless we do it off of a computer and just turn the computer on.
We just need to be able to hear them.
I mean, I'll do that. Do you have a computer there?
Okay.
And then we've done this before.
What do you want to use in my microphone?
All right.
Oh.
I set down.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Dang it.
Sorry.
I said, we have two of them.
That goal.
I don't know.
No more.
I'm talking about it.
Because I don't know.
I'm talking about it.
OK.
Can you hear me now?
I'll do.
Testing. Testing. Testing. But those online were having technical difficulties.
Maybe you
are working on that.
Would anyone else in the room like to comment or work it on the Zoom?
I'm recording every one of us out of that.
Jordan, I'm sorry.
He's got a pre-inscript.
That's what he's doing.
He does, but we don't.
Oh, come on.
This is so weird.
What are you saying?
It was a pop that I've heard.
Transcript, read my press, Jan.
I can see it in the transcript.
Yeah.
Let me see.
I'm going to go ahead and the question will go in the transcript.
I just wanted to follow up and wonder why the Gallsport shearing there is great is not held in the evening so that working people can attend.
You
can get all that.
He was questioning why I write out a very original,
although I'm asking him to leave you so I've ever met him.
And...
Get away, I'll get him.
I've got him.
Roger.
I've got him.
Roger.
That's not my question.
My question is has to do down support hearing on rates is not held in the evening so that working people can attend.
What's somebody else?
No, I'm ways to shut down.
That's just a very, very time.
Probably the best solution.
Because first to shut down,
take a five-minute recess.
And that hopefully we could hear everybody online.
Is that okay with the board?
Please do.
Oh, way such for five.
I don't know.
I don't understand.
Please call back.
the need to go there to reset the whole system. Please.
I said,
the back crowd.
I don't see.
It's really.
It runs out.
Yeah, I don't think it's just a man.
All right, we're back on.
Thank you.
Well, thank everybody for their public comment.
Well, who's the next item?
No, I just can't.
I just can't.
All right, Roger, if you could.
say again,
testing one, two, oh thank you for waiting. I'm sorry to break your internet a couple
of quick questions. I think want to follow up on what the earlier gentleman said and kind of
ask why when you would not hold a hearing in the area that was actually affected and two why would
not hold it in the evening so that working people, which I imagine or most of the population,
would be able to attend. I think that's something you could fix very easily and
wouldn't hurt anything. Just my thought. I had another question, but I've lost it. So
if you would just think about maybe relocating that, I think people would be very much happier with that.
Thanks.
Thank you, runner.
I've been posted.
Well, probably go through the process.
The public hearing has to be put in the public notice.
It has to be 13 days before the hearing.
I think what Jeff last week when he asked us and we by consensus said,
go ahead and send it out. He already posted that in the paper.
will be out today, I guess, paper comes out today or tomorrow. So it's already posted. I guess what I
would like to say, my thought process was the public hearing last, or I sat at the end on it and
it was here and this needed room. I didn't even think about that. I wish somebody during public
Thomas, last week would have said something because then we still would have had time to correct that, but that's just for my perspective and saying right wrong,
but any help
anybody in the room or anybody in the room like to speak,
okay, online, Anthony,
you can't under his.
Okay, can you hear me now?
Okay, great.
Um, one of the things you guys approved the minutes from the last meeting, and you
asked, you know, you basically said, was there any other comments?
And of course we couldn't comment then, but I would like to point out very sternly that
Lori, when she talked about being at the District Water District, that meeting, actually
if you go prior to that, she had said in the meeting prior to that, that she would, that
they board had approved the vessels and the 180,000, and she was going to go down to their
next meeting and give them the money.
Well, now she did go to the meeting, but I understand she didn't bring the money, she didn't
give the money, instead she tried to force them to find a contract that was not, they
was despicable that they even wrote a contract like that.
Some of the stuff in the contract had nothing to do with the Department of Water, but you
So, she lied over and over and over again.
I know that the media has a different word for line because they used it a lot when Biden
was in office, but I couldn't even find that word, but even looking it up as a sentiment,
sentiment.
But what I did find is the best word that describes it is she lied over and over again.
So, I don't appreciate that, I don't appreciate her representing our district, which is, you know, number two, and that's where the water board is, and she's lying left and right, I'm just very upset with that, and I'm hoping that that does not happen in the future, but I know better than that.
Laurie is really taken on the, I'm a politician, and she's really showing it because she's not doing what's best for Dalsport.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Anthony.
No, I'd like to respond.
So, Anthony, thank you for the spin.
Unfortunately, coming on public comment and spinning things into a different situation
because the public was not in the meeting, isn't helping your situation at Dallas
Fort.
You have some very serious issues.
I don't believe I ever said I would deliver money.
There's no way for me to legislatively deliver money.
I can deliver paperwork.
I can't deliver money.
I can deliver paperwork, and if Dow's poor would have agreed to move forward with some items
that they need to accomplish to stay in compliance with the state, they could have access
money to fill out their ATEC system, which they have to have and what they need.
Unfortunately, I was excused from that meeting or dismissed from the meeting by W.J. Morris
after we had very polite conversations about the contents of that paperwork and I went to my
car and it's been told that you have executive session. That's not why I left through over what I
was asked to leave the room for and I did not see any other participants leave the room see
a whole executive session. So I am concerned for Dow's Board. I'm concerned for moving forward with
healthy water district, I'm concerned about being able to find ways and help
Dowsport and work very hard to find a way that you could afford to transfer
those water rights and get those done. Even today I've been working on it,
I've been working with the state and working for it so that we can make sure
that things and Dowsport are fulfilled and that we can keep economic growth
moving in the Dallas Port area.
But I'm sorry that you have that version of the meeting
that we held because that was not the meeting
I mentioned.
All right, this is the ring.
Oh, I'm sorry, Todd.
I didn't look the way.
OK, so anyone else in the room would like to speak
at this time?
OK, I'll go online.
Ann?
Good morning, or afternoon?
I can't get here for the morning thing.
Yes. This is Anne Slate Dunn and Delphsport. Seems to be a topic of conversation this morning,
but a lot of books are asking legitimately about the rate hearing for Delphsport waste water
that affects only Delphsport rate payers and it's scheduled for 130 on a Tuesday afternoon
in Goldendale. That makes no sense and it appears designed to limit participation by the people
that are impacted by the decisions that are made.
And this didn't just come up today,
these concerns that emailed all three commissioners
on Saturday once I had a chance
to watch the video from last Tuesday's meeting
and found out what was going on.
So I emailed it to all three of you on Saturday
didn't just come up today.
I hope that all the click attack county voters
are paying attention to these kind of things
because it can happen to your community too.
Going back to last week, Commissioners Aller, you had asked a question about when the interest came up for Dallas for Water District to operate the wastewater plant instead of KPUD.
Haven't had much time but I did a little research that's been around for a while.
Bill Clark mentioned this morning, the meeting on August 16th of 22, one all three commissioners were in
Dallas, Fort in the evening, or people could attend. And the future of that plant was discussed
quite a bit at length. And reference to the idea of Dallas, Fort Water District taking over O&M,
with an eye toward purchasing the plant in the future. If you go back to your meeting minutes from your
the SEC evening meeting on the 16th August of 22, or we put a synopsis that's in the September
22 Dalsport newsletter. And that synopsis includes the text from the handout that was provided
by the commissioners at that meeting. That handout also talks about the draft engineering study
from RH2 that had been completed and was being edited and edited and edited to and clarified
by the KPUD. Let's think about that for a minute. So the company who wants to get ownership of the plan,
just as cheap as they possibly can, gets to edit the engineering study that plays a huge role
in establishing plant condition and price. That doesn't make any sense. And we still haven't seen that study,
so far as I know, is it finished? Who do I contact for a copy of it?
DWKD can run the facility cheaper than KPUD. For one thing they're charging and outrageous amount of mileage. Every time they get in a truck to come down here, there's mileage. Our folks are on site. They're licensed. They're certified with a more people running one plant than what KPUD appears to have spread out among numerous plants.
This whole situation seems to be geared toward turning over the wastewater plan at DALSport to KPUD.
Instead of doing what makes sense for DALSport and the...
I guess I'll... I asked Lori, if it was okay if I went to the DALSport meeting,
because I haven't gone a couple, but not the official community meeting,
And I know you've got several meetings there.
And so I can, since this was already set and I'm
unless concerned that people can attend the public meeting,
then they have input and say so in it.
Well, in two, I hope I'm hoping, I thought,
just that you would get the information down
to the post office or where else.
People do have a right sent in comments.
Also, it's a public hearing.
I would hope people would comment right in the ring, too.
But as a sent email, it's pre-set up to the VOCC.
Because I know the last public hearing we have,
they'll send it to an individual commissioner
and make sure we all see the same email.
It's better sent.
The VOCC, because I had a set count for an hour, last time, and make sure our support had everything
that I was sent, and they didn't have a lot, so it's really important to set to the VOCC.
Just saying that.
Yeah, so I'll show up at the community meeting Thursday and talk to everybody about.
Could have clear advice, a couple of things. Yeah, thank you for the comments back to the
to the comments back to the 2022 meeting, because the Dow's Port Waste Water Treatment Plan
has been, how long has it been there 28, 30 years? That was the first time that I had ever heard
that there was a local energy with concerns wanting to take it over before that. We hadn't really
have conversations about that at the county level that I had ever heard. And during that meeting I was
there, and I have to say two things clarification, that budget that was handed out was a draft budget.
That was not the final budget of the Cook Tap PUD that started circulating at that time.
It was handed over by someone who had it in their possession, and it was a draft budget.
So I just want to make that very clear.
That was a true budget from the PUD.
The second to not remember distinctly, there's a very important point today, is that
Commissioner Sotter, who was your commissioner at that time, made it very clear that
Dalsport was not incorporated, and that is a big problem in transitioning from government
to government between the PUD and the county or the PUD and the Dalsport community, if they
were incorporated, and we talked about that during that meeting.
Part of the problem it happens with that for the entire county, that leaves us with a very big liability.
We don't diagnose to that liability of the water district.
If we move forward and down support water district is not incorporated and we enter into an agreement,
that still leaves the county holding all the liability for that plan.
So that's one of the things that's a very big decision per click out for the county.
And for the county as a whole is keeping hold of that is a liability and so we have to decide what's best for the entire county.
That's one of our factors.
Okay. Yes.
Anyone else in the room like to speak?
Okay. Thank you.
My name is Rita Walton, I'm from Delta Sport.
thing I'd like to kind of expand on is that I'll chop the stuff in 2020 by over the holidays
or
not 24.
we had a spill, a sewage spill. In fact, we had two within a very short period of time.
Miss Solar acknowledged that she knew about it. When I question KPD, they turn around and they don't think it's their responsibility to contact DEA when there is a spill.
and it's supposed to be self-reporting. It's in our contract, your contract with KPUD.
And when I talk to your public works director here, he says it's not his responsibility.
KPUD says they're you're the permit holder. It's your responsibility. So nobody's
according to any of these suy spills. I thought the one in
wish of two months of suy to going down a trench was a
dud, tell they got a new mortar. This is incredible. This is, you
talk about responsibility and liability. Well, I guess that you
don't tell anybody. You don't have anything, you don't have any
I know it will be something.
This is ridiculous.
Anyhow, thank you.
Thank you, Leo.
Yeah, we're going on the line.
Kerry?
So my name is Kerry Hilton, and I live in Traut Lake,
where my husband and I own Elk Meadows, Kevin, and Kevin.
And so this is obviously a different subject,
and I don't know if I'm out of turn, or how this works.
You have three minutes.
OK.
I'm here to voice my concerns regarding vacation rentals, the use of ADUs as short-term rentals and single-dwelling properties providing RV sites as rentals.
I'll re-reach out to the Code Compliance Department in October with our concerns and complaint.
We receive the response that, unfortunately at this time, there is no short term rental ordinance established by the county, and that the board has instructed them not to pursue short term rentals until an ordinance is drafted.
There may be an ordinance specific to, there may not be an ordinance specific to short-term
rentals.
However, there are ordinances in place already regarding residential zoning, single-hunged
dwelling, ADUs, and recreational vehicles.
For example, ordinance 3.10, section 2, number 11, clearly states, neither the principal unit
or the unit, the ADU.
Shelby is just as a short-term vacation rental.
A short term vacation rental is a rental which is less than 60 consecutive days in a single 12-month period.
I shared that specific ordinance with the compliance department and was advised to attend to commissioners meeting,
which I am here now even though I don't like being public speaking.
We also reached out to Todd and spoke and linked with him,
but we feel like our concerns should be addressed more quickly based on the current ordinances that are in place.
We have been in business for many years.
My husband fought hard to obtain a conditional use permit to even put in the campground.
We then had to fight again to add the cabins which are recreational part trailers.
License vehicles that comply with the A&S I standards for safety codes.
Not only were they recently added to our property taxes, even though they are recreational vehicles,
we are also competing with residential single dwelling homes that have not obtained
conditionally use permits, ADUs that are being used as short-term rentals and property owners
adding RVs, home-built tiny homes without inspections, and RV sites for short-term as well as
full-time accommodations, all which are not allowed per-existing ordinances. I'm here today to ask
what options we have for resolving the conflict that we have with current codes not being enforced,
especially after submitting a complaint.
Thank you, Harrison.
Yeah.
I mean, that is part of the issue, right?
Well.
Yeah.
We have had one workshop on short-term rentals.
We are going to move forward on short-term rents.
But I think that this is a good point.
Right.
We have not had the discussion about existing ADU.
ADU and RB ordinances and we may need to visit that with legal counsel.
Well, we had one short workshop on compliance.
No way we didn't really move very far on that side. I think we need to follow up on it.
Do we know if they have this economic development? Did they get that software?
They were directed to what they had. I have not heard that they have it.
Okay, that's for your call, we'll get a time line on there.
All right, next person,
seven, two, one,
one. You're unmuted.
Greg Wagner with Steve.
Yep. Guy.
Eric's your solar project. The northern half of the project is out of the energy overlay zone.
That part of the project we need a conditional use permit, issued by the Board of Adjustments.
I'd like to know why the commissioners aren't getting involved with this.
That project didn't ever got a franchise agreement because apparently it doesn't meet our county codes,
and it can't be permitted without a conditional use permit.
So what's going on with that?
Guys aren't even on the ball.
We had the carriage you're meeting last night at the Goldendale Bridge.
Thank you Todd Andrews for showing up and commenting on the behalf of the citizens,
unlike the other two commissioners.
It would have been a conflict of interest, three commissioners showed up at a previous
upset meeting, and all made comments, so that conflict of interest is just as excuse
for not showing up.
Now, let's talk about Oak Ridge Road.
Title 12 standards that Oak Ridge Road is not meeting.
Title 12.01.030.
These standards shall apply to all new construction, reconstruction, resurfacing, restoration,
rehabilitation of public roads. It doesn't say Oak Ridge Road is exempt, but why are you commissioners
allowing under-campus to hire James Dean to do unauthorized roadwork on Oak Ridge Road that doesn't
meet the standards of the title 12. They have not submitted all the necessary paperwork,
done all the studies and everything else that every other road in the county when work gets done,
they are supposed to meet the county engineer called supervised the roadwork under the direction
of the board of county commissioners title 12.0 2.0 1 0 and you commissioners are the ones that
are supposed to approve roadwork. There are supposed to be sealed bid submitted by all the contractors
put out for public bid, Oak Ridge Road, a county road was not put out for bid. Why was James Dean
allowed to have the contract? And the county not followed the standards they're supposed to
do. Why are you commissioners allowing under-campus to do unauthorized work on Oak Ridge Road?
You act like you don't know anything about it. If Hunter didn't know anything about it,
He said, I'll go out there and check it when they're done.
That's pretty poor for a guy who's supposed to be a public works director.
And then last week, it said, I'm keeping a close eye on it.
No, the county engineer is supposed to be the one that oversees the work.
So who's out there verifying the work's getting done properly?
And to type a 12 standard, the same standard that all other citizens have to comply with.
Why is under Canvas getting special treatment?
the special favor for a new entity on Oak Ridge Road.
Oak Ridge Road's not on the six-year road plan to the year 2000 and 30.
So that road needs to be done and followed title 12 standards.
And you are the commissioner that are overseeing the work.
Thank you for your comments.
I will have been. I watched the meeting last night on Google.
I think it was Google Meet. It wasn't. It wasn't soon.
So anybody else in the room, like to talk, okay online,
Gabrielle?
Yeah, hi, thank you.
Good.
So first, I don't think it's right to do a rate hike meeting.
The potential of a rate hike and have doubts for it be left out because you schedule it in the day time.
I think everyone's concerns about that are real, and clearly, commissioners, you are well aware of what it looks like to schedule a meeting in the evenings, town halls, the planning commissions that got together in different places throughout the county to discuss the upcoming plan.
that you made those meetings happen in the evening.
I think that the disrespect that the community is feeling is real.
And I think the optics for the total of the county watching this
is disturbing the way that this is rolling out.
Even if you knew nothing about what was going on with Dalsport.
In the last few weeks of these conversations and public spaces,
It is literally a little disheartening on the questions that are being asked and the answers
that are coming out from the commissioners board.
I have to say that the language of, well, you paid that loan off a long time ago is incorrect
when these multi-million dollar loans were paid off in the last five years.
I feel that if a community is saying to you that they want to have autonomy over their utilities
and they want to be able to have that asset that it is disrespectful when you look at the history
of this board of commissioners who speak all the time about local control and the importance of having
local control and how you fight for that against state and federal agencies diminishing
your local control. And so I feel that the optics are problematic in how Dowsport is being
address and the clean up.
All the time seems to be a little too little, a little too late. And so I hope that going forward, the commissioners become more sensitive to your optics, and to what is being said and to what is being expressed to you.
The other thing I want to say is that news is breaking that the lumber mill in Beijing is closing their
plywood division and 81 workers are going to be effectively released. I want to know what the
in our community down here.
The other thing, thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Yeah, real.
We need you.
That's not a song, Laura.
You have an email to the fidget mayor.
Yeah, I've seen.
Yeah.
That's true.
I think we're probably up and they have 60 openings
that they're increasing jobs in their other designs.
But I did have contact with some of the people from the mill.
And the company has done a lot more
and what was released to the public.
And they did put out a press release that I shared that press release
probably needs to get out to the bigger public in some way.
But the company is doing the best they can.
They give you a proper notice.
They're trying to help relocate them and give them
other jobs within the company.
I think they've opened up an offering 60 jobs in the 81.
So the company is sensitive.
When I first heard about it from what I heard,
I thought everything was going.
and then economic development became part of what I thought about what would have been down there.
So that's why I reached out to Mayor Catherine.
And knowing that a big portion of the mill will still be there, that that will still be mill property down.
So that would be something that we would be looking to replace that kind of down.
Okay.
All right. Next person.
One.
Sure.
Good afternoon, commissioners.
I'd like to reiterate what Greg touched upon about Oak Ridge Road because those are, you know,
it doesn't matter where it's at. When people get injured and harmed and they should be protected by
public safety health and welfare as I roll my eyes, that you're a little rules say you're supposed to
go by and then you stick this freaking swear peg and a round hole and do all these favors for this
to keep corporate entity coming into our area that's going to harm our people on that road
and their own terrace.
You didn't do it right, you know you didn't do it right, you did it all sketchy.
The road, you know, to say that some private entity can just hire someone and start carving
up a county road without any oversight, no engineering, no survey, no fruble, no nothing.
Ninth go up to bid, it wasn't approved by the B's OCC, y'all didn't sketchy, here we
our public, here you are taxpayers, your government is ran by special favors. And I would
probably put some money on the fact that our tax money did pay for that road upgrade that
was done and it's still not sufficient and people still will die and be injured. And why are
you stealing dialsport stuff? Is this what you do? You get people to pay for public utilities
and they're like, oh, it's mine. You know, what's the contract say? Those people there,
there's a contract, get into that, get into the contract. And if they have a right to take it from
don't sign a contract like that again. Maybe we better be aware of our government that
get us to pay for stuff and then they take it from us. And Ron, you need to stop losing
your self-unstop and then government, you know, like really, what are you, you say,
oh, we're a government, we're going to give it to our government friends, but really you're a
corporation. Your register would done. You know, you say you're a nonprofit, but that's coming out
And hopefully the people will get interested in who you really are,
and how you have a right to take our money.
Tell us what to do.
And Carrie, on your short-term rentals, you're going to have nothing.
You got nothing. Don't care.
Now, short-term rentals next to me. My dog was almost killed.
Like, literally, his throat was torn open by a pitbull.
I've had chickens killed from the pets from next door coming in over here.
You know, there's fires in no burnt burn bansies and but they don't care. There are rules. You're right. You read them, but they don't care. They don't care about us. They don't care.
They want our money. Just like Todd said, we're coming after you for more taxes. They don't come after the wind corporations or the solar corporations, which Greg has proven, should be that the county has the option to charge them more, but because they're special friends, they don't. And they come after us.
And hopefully when the tax payers start seeing that our tax money is every dime that makes you
and we have to go against you like the court case with under-campus, then you use our tax money to
fight us. How many tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars has spent on fighting the people
who didn't want to die. Your roadwork is dirty. Go ahead, Ron. Cut me off. Goodbye.
Thank you, Sherry.
Okay, next is.
Is that?
No, I don't see it.
That's
right.
That should be.
Good afternoon.
There's.
Thank you for letting me talk.
Yeah.
Today there's on the consent agenda.
There's a radio agreement with district four.
And I just would like to commissioners to know the David McKune.
has resigned as Chief of the Fire Department for District 4 and has moved out of the county and so hopefully you will remove that consent agenda, so a proper chief or person can be signed up for that agreement that in the county.
And then I wanted to know, a lot of times with the radio and the communications, the, in the agreements with you, it's, it's using, click that county of.
And I wondered when that is used, why click that county of, is that a different department or is that a different, you know, how is that different, because I see that in a lot of the agreements with Jeff King and the sheriff.
that it says, click that county of.
And then third thing, I just wanted to follow up on the Sheriff Songer had mentioned that
the training that they had in District 3 was going to be one of three trainings that are
going to be used to produce the United States National Policy for Wildfire evacuations.
And I wondered if you folks know where the other two places are or if there are other things
Click in that county has been a part of to produce national policies for different things and emergencies in the area, and then lastly, if if you guys could ask Jeff King to announce when the Casita meetings are to the public when he does this update, they change places every month.
They're usually on the same date. I believe it's a Wednesday, and I'm not sure if it's a second Wednesday, but
but if you could just let people know where those meetings are each month when he does his update,
there's some of us in the county that would like to go to those meetings. And that's all I have for you today. Thank you.
No, good suggestion, Tracy. Thank you.
Okay, we have.
Okay,
can you guys hear me?
Yeah, you're a chicken. If you can hear the chicken, she is apparently protesting with the rest of the attendees today.
So, boy, we have a lot of unhappy people today, and I hope that you guys are all taking really good notes on the priority things.
Oh my gosh, the chicken, that the priority things that the county citizens are wanting, and the
Dowsport rate adjustment. Honestly, it really made me kind of disheartened a little bit to hear.
I wish somebody would have said somebody something before the notice went out, because it just
It seems like common sense that the Del's port water district is apparently a thorn in everybody's side.
So why not just try to work closer with them and have it a meeting locally in the evening.
I know that other rate adjustments are normally.
Hold on, I'll move.
Can you guys still hear me?
Oh, really good now.
Oh my god, the chicken, I swear.
So I just really hope that you guys figure out whatever needs to be figured out with the
Dallas part water district.
If they need to get incorporated, figure out how to get them incorporated.
But this has to get finished because you guys are getting like very little else done.
I mean, obviously I'm not there, so I don't know exactly what you're doing, but that in
short-term rentals. People have been talking for months. And I'm a little disappointed that I missed
the short-term rental workshop because it had the date had been moved a couple of times and I
had been checking the agenda and it looked like it had been taken off. But you know, just through
all of the hate and anger, I hope you guys are seeing like what is actually important to the
And just kind of look past the anger and figure out a way to get people back, you know, together with you guys.
So that is all for myself and my angry chicken and have a happy week.
Yeah, thank you. And you're chicken for your comment.
Only I'm gonna protect it.
All right.
Is there anybody else in the room with that I'd like to speak for online?
Anyone else online or in the room?
I'll close public comment.
And I'd just like to thank everybody for our issues today and for getting back online and hanging in there.
I was gonna call it budget cuts.
But that's not funny. So we have we do have a 40 on 98 pictures raise 30. Oh, have one more
40 on a you'll just take one more call it
the one white and I'm calling about
Hello one. Yeah, I carry it now
I'm calling
number one about
I heard Greg Wagner's comments about Oak Ridge Road, and I just would like to put it on the
record again that in order, first of all, I disagree that adding another probably 500 cars
It's likely more because of going in and out and out the road, the fire access road standards at 20 to 8 wide is absolutely negligent.
And I'd like to point out that Oak Ridge Road is not 20 to 8 wide by anyone's standards other than maybe something that just happened to be 20 to 8 wide.
It literally goes in some areas, less than 20 statewide, but even if it is 20 feet wide,
it is from an incline on one side to a decline on the other feet incline and decline.
If there are no shoulders, it is totally unsafe now and to put that many cards on it with people
that aren't used to being in the country
and with it being open range,
it is verificly dangerous.
Every time the local residents drive on the road,
they know it is verificly dangerous.
And I predict that in various ways in order,
there's gonna be a terrible accident.
And I would like to bring to your attention,
that at least two of you were not involved in any part of the sighting of this project.
But there's the responsibility for these decisions are going to follow on you.
County employees acted as agents for UC before the hearing is examined.
They didn't have very people to identify about the safety of the world.
They had the county employees have to buy it before the hearings examiner regarding the safety of the road.
I believe the negligence will fall on the county, and I also believe unless the law has changed that when you are negligent, insurance does not cover you.
So, again, I'd like to remind you, you know, that I honestly believe that had it not been.
For the personal relationship between Tate 1, the project manager for under-campus, there's person who brought it to the county and Jacob Anderson, the former commissioner, we would never be in this position.
Number two, I'd like to point out that large protein tanks were taken down into that site.
So, that should have been evaluated under CEPA.
Under Canvas did not propose.
So, pain can't propane youth in that amount during the full process.
You know, it wouldn't be that they decided to change their minds.
But I suspected it was intentional that they did not disclose that.
would have any value, would have any value, thank you very much for calling in.
Okay,
public comments, close. Thank you for mentioning. Yeah, another one. Appreciate it.
All right.
Any consent agenda? Can you come in for? No, no, let's find go.
I would make a motion to approve the consent agenda with tenilitis.
Second motion.
Okay, open for discussion.
I believe on the one item that was discussed, even if there's not a right name, they can
scratch things out.
Missional it.
Correct.
It just says missioners.
Okay.
All right.
Call those in favor?
Say I.
I motion carries.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to approve the Pable Warnson amount of 191,451 dollars and 801 cents for the date ending May 5, 2025.
And I seconded it, and discussion, here and none, all those in favor say I, I motion
carries.
All right, new business, old business, I covered several of the things that I was going
to talk about was the budget number, sweatsheds, Greg and Heather did a good job talking
that mentioned about the PUNE to 10th, 10th of May,
and we should be hearing back from the
port after today, or at least I should be hearing back from.
I do want to bring out that we are
having a workshop. This Thursday may be from 930, probably to 11.
This will be on a supplemental
budget. It's just for information only. This is not the actual hearing. This is just to
especially for me. And for Todd and I, to walk through a sublamentals and how they work,
this is not their experience, but we're just doing that. We will be upstairs here.
We will be zoom in this meeting since it has to do with budget. Before we said anything,
they have to do with budget that we're going to zoom on their space. So when I had to send it up
And then after that, we'll be able to have the fairgrounds flipping, verdict,
or public works.
Is there time Erin had asked about coming in to discuss?
Um, it's Dallas to discuss Dallas.
What's talking after he said, oh, why don't you three first reached out.
A work shop on that.
I have worked on my was higher level.
Yeah.
Yeah, I worked on some things going forward.
Like I said, and I'm going to be having a meeting with Aaron and David to clarify some things.
And so maybe I'll get that.
Could you bring that back?
Yeah.
Talk to us and then we'll get a meeting on our show.
I can do that.
We did an apparently all three of us asked pretty much the same question.
Yeah, she's like, she did for, uh, yeah.
I'm going to handle it in a meeting so we weren't all.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, in line with some of his art, our department health, and then there's the state department
health and understanding who's over what?
So hopefully, after you have your conversation, I can read now.
Because I understood, basically, the state department
health has those answers, not our local department,
but I was asking, counting on it.
But I was saying it's a combination of things
but the higher answer comes from the state,
of course, our departments under them.
So I'll bring that back to you.
And then you could see if you'd still
visit with Aaron, and hopefully we'll find a path through, so we're looking
part. And like I said, if you have things you want on the agenda, whether you
tell any of you to talk about, please give to Lisa. Okay, please. Because I think
they did have some, I don't know what I'm talking about. And then from there from
meeting where I'm going to go from there.
What else? I had nothing.
I thought I did
you have three things. Yeah, so there was a carrier was in town last night with the F
set and they had a meeting that they go into a range. So that unfortunately I wasn't able to
10 white salmon fire me that that happened, but I stayed up to date mostly with Jeff King on that and we talked as I was driving back to white salmon the adrenaline back to go now and be fast.
But yeah, that means it was a little disheartening that FCEC decided to fast track the process
against the Appamodination Tribal considerations against people.
And I was not, I driven down Night Road, but it was not aware I didn't do a long sight visit.
So I guess we did.
I had a proximity.
Yeah, so yesterday I went through, went with someone that had keys and went through multiple games.
and, you know, loved it. And that site, I mean, you can see almost every home from Senator
Bill to Goldendale. So it is like, if you wanted to have a very visible,
several thousand
acre panels, that would be the place, and some of my concern is property values, tourism, and
And then that's probably a productive farmland.
So, but...
Well, and I thought to, since I've been here a little bit longer,
make it really, really clear that the F-sex staff has been good to work with.
They've been great to work with. It wasn't. I have a handed
between us ever. I think they're in a rock and a hard place as well.
They've been asked by Governor Inslee to be put in that place and make those decisions.
and then given the parameters for this. So they're doing their job. She's really on 14.
Still? Yeah. Really? And Eric, I see Scott. He's probably down here. We need to get our criteria
through where we want stuff, or we don't want stuff, or we don't want stuff right, Jerika.
And I are equally with how Benton County, so they're still in the lawsuit against.
because ASAP had it in half due to environmental concerns and then the governor flew in and
Trump that said he'll do a full bill.
So that in result is everyone's with this home.
And so, are they still in current lawsuit? Is that still being battle?
I assume it's just giving. All right, so many, if I don't think that's going to bite you
So do you guys have any, do you talk to anyone from Bitten County?
Not for some time now.
Yachtmark County does a good job to them.
They stay in trench.
We've just been kind of in the waiting system.
So that's too much that we can.
Well, to need to get more of all with the Eastern counties at the state of Washington.
So if you ever see an email come through.
Okay.
And send that through.
who's who's who's what because there's just Eastern counts because I used to be involved with that association with you.
We have a lot to do with us.
And I think in the beginning, I had, you mentioned that inside the word you won a long time ago.
But I'll find it all up.
Well, I'll find it for you.
Because there's lost hack and then there's an Eastern County Board that kind of concoctures out because we're so different than the rest of the sites.
So they try to get together and be kind of a mini-walsack for just the eastern side to take
our, hopefully our voice is sort of, because we seem to just get run over everywhere.
It's kind of like the RTC thing.
No, I think, I think lawsuits are generally the way those things have to be settled and I think
Yeah, combination, they will, that'll probably go to suit, if we could join Benton County.
That's something you could talk to, prosecute, won't you?
Yeah, the, the, the good discussion.
You know, it always comes down with probability.
That was my, you guys, yeah.
probability, the area to read, and I have to start with, you know, the cost, what's the probability,
center, center, it's all, you know, and not are opposed to having the discussion.
And so F said, I mean, because the the requirement is that we
But we get to say so, and to...
What was that question?
So, F-set came about because they wanted, you know, because they're basically saying
mandating that these projects have to move forward.
Well, F-set was more when the nuclear facility was put in, and nobody wanted the nuclear
and they're back there. Right. And so, a original purpose,
But what is being used now? I think it's kind of too different.
Right. Yeah, they expanded their authority. Oh, yes.
Yeah, I mean, you're going to have a huge interest in expanding green energy. So he made a
mechanism to be able to handle it at the state level and basically bypass us.
But I mean, how can they, I mean, we we haven't stopped green energy. We've been very
Well, inviting an open, and that's why I say, I mean, really we finish our criteria and here for what I heard before we don't, and how do we, I mean, that's I, I heard your comment last night and that's why I appreciate it. We're not saying no, it's just a word with what right that that that's the most destructive place.
But they want it there because they want it there because they want it there because they want it there because of the BPA transmission
Here that that's the bottom one
For the transmission lines that would not be that
They could put it without which I never thought that when that transmission line was being built
BPA sentence to get the power back to the big Eddie over in the dals and that's all it was
Anything else?
Would you guys be open to doing a, have Jeff Hunter doing a request, an RFP for Desport waste water?
I mean, I just like to, to relook at it and have PUD come forward with their, with their best thing and look at who else, since we have, we have a lot of interest and growth and health support.
We should have a conversation about that with them and let them tell you what it takes to do the RFP,
what it costs to the RFP and what could happen with that.
We had conversations before and it isn't just the PUD that would be available to apply.
You have entities in the work, and we could get someone from where they could apply.
And the other problem with them, and I've talked about it several times,
They say they're qualified, but they have to come forward to fill out the RAP that will
be licensed by the state, ensure bomb that have all the deaths in a row before they can
even fill out that RAP, so they need to be careful with their wish for.
Because we could put out an RAP that they haven't been qualified to apply.
I mean, we can do that for every issue and I'm like, I'm sure the PVD would, would easily be the winner.
But we also have a former contract with the PVD to the unit to the unit.
I wish you had a chance.
No, I'm just not, it's not, it's not, it's not.
There's no obligation.
That's enough.
Now I talk to both of other water, you know.
So white Sam is talk to the people really now one.
So that's owned by the city and run.
Well, imagine, right?
A wastewater plant.
It's the most first bill.
So be sure to separate waste water and water.
They're two different liabilities, make sure when you ask questions.
So I don't know if we're at the point we're ready for that, this one.
Yeah, I, to be in all my terms of Brian Beatrice Perr, to say,
I asked us to fall through the contract, who even said the PUD is very wanted with the direction I asked.
That's a way out.
So maybe, because we may be over here, no matter what we haven't had big discussions
like a workshop or talk, we know, we're always on the water, we haven't got to the waste
water yet.
That would be one thing.
I haven't followed that many trail, because I've been busy with other ones.
That might be something you want to research at the state level who is in charge of all
the waste water treatment plants.
What does that take and what would they have to have to, so that you know the answer
before you encourage something that might help make more sure.
Oh, I heard last year when you guys were
having conversations with the cost to do the RFP.
Yeah.
Which I learned there, I mean, it seems house.
It's very, very nice.
It's a decent, quite a bit of money.
So, touch things.
And then also the idea because...
How do you stop the order of the PVP?
How do you stop the cost to do an RFP?
And someone brought up the incorporated subject
I think it was Kaylee about help them getting corporate to they have to have the right population and then have to apply for all the reasons
And they would have to have their own police department everything if they become incorporated
It's a big deal. It's not just you get a letter of incorporation. Yeah
So if they'd not incorporated it's my understanding and we still we still have the liability
So if whoever had it failed, we would inherit it back again
And so, so why do why do most cities on theirs? Because they're incorporated.
I mean, and they're eligible for licensed bonding state oversight. And so they actually own
theirs and they're responsible for them. It's another department for them, just like we
have public works. Each city gets a public works. Yeah. So why does a county not want to own one,
when this city does want to own one, I'm saying it's government liability for us. We're not in
waste of time.
We've got a lot of stuff that the city has like.
They have liability, but they're able to have all that bonding and insurance and stuff
because of their own energy.
If we do it, we're spending those funds against her Dow's part because we would still be
the owners and the idea is, we have the license and bonding or, but we're not in the waste
for our treatment plant business.
We never, we can't, cities aren't, I'm saying this, this is, I'm trying to, I'm trying
to, if you're talking about, it was in corporate city.
Yes.
Still there again. I honestly, it's a no brain. Yes, they should have. It's a tear-and-corporated.
And I had read the other day, you know, in the discussion of they paid the debt.
No, they didn't. Everybody in the club tap county paid that debt. Oh, yeah.
That was too long. Everything. Because they would have paid all the debt. This is a new point.
they paid, you know. So why are cities not trying to upload their water to their wastewater?
Oh, they have to. They're not money making. Right. I mean, our sewer just went up another,
but they can't, they can be privately owned. Well, and if you're incorporated,
I don't understand. I'll maybe there's a state law that you have to own and run those things.
If you're incorporated, I don't know that. But they only want our systems, they only,
they become real cities. They have to have a police department, you know, they tend to
have to have a district court. I guess we didn't survive that for them.
I don't water out of all the water, waste water and not money bankers. If you have a private
entity in there, they're going to be there to make months. Right? Who's going to pay for them?
We just have a gray area between us and us for an out because they're not in the
I mean, it's a good discussion.
Yes, I know.
I just said the question, go forward, burn the contract.
Don't be transparent.
I don't even think they've had any discussions.
Well, there's not a contract, right?
So it says on operating agreement.
That is just stated that it might go through like this
and the possible intent would be to. I just want to make sure it follows the, I don't,
I don't have a decision, like I very much agree that it's a huge amount of debt. There's
liability, it's one thing, but I don't really see a difference between the city and the county
and I want to make sure that it goes through a process and we weigh the options.
So just like all the other things, it goes out for quest for proposal, it goes out, and we look at, because there's a verbal offer, someone wanting to send a lot of money to buy it.
But that's your second.
Yeah, it did well.
So, we're both contracts in order.
Thought I would put a pro and a con list together.
Well, I know.
But I'm saying if we take that process and we go through and we say option one is we continue to have it.
the best person operated. I imagine it would be, I know there's, there's lots of that
set of floating out there, but it should easily be the best people to run it. I mean,
they should easily win that. Well, and I know there's a lot of upset about
spills that they've talked about, that they knew as community people versus what the
state compliance work that that's where that lands. And then they notify us, we don't have a new
occasion.
Oh, there are a lot of things going back and forth. And I think in, I don't care about
the back of the book, right? I just found it, it can move forward, and we can say option one is we, we
continue to own it and another entity runs it. So in option one, you need to research county
ability and what that cost should be. Yes, we had liability and in lots of things. I'm saying,
so that's included in that. But skipping that whole process and saying, we're going to do this
without looking or without entertaining any of those other ideas. That's where people get upset because
it doesn't follow a proper process where anyone gets his... And that may have been a discussion that
they weren't ever involved in.
You know, maybe former boards before us.
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to care about the four boards.
But that's not a good idea.
Just an idea of this and what would potentially happen
in so it's anything like that is the option
that is the top of the list, option and the way
with easily progressed, that there's lots of other options
that should be waiting for.
Well, there's a lot of options.
So, every option has a different outcome,
and it was, I think one way or another, either,
I'm willing for discussions, but I'm just saying, Devil's Advocate, what the things
are we need to really look at?
What is the line, the logic of the county, because that's our job?
I don't know.
And what is the cost of the county, that's our job?
And if we can answer those, and it can move A, B, or C, then that's what we need to do.
You know people say waste for a plus-making money. I'm sorry, I haven't seen it.
I'm sorry. And the life of the plan, the expectancy life of the plan, we have some
why abilities coming up. Well, they don't have to make us money, right? Because then we'd have to
charge rates. Well, you just charge plus rate. So if you're making money, that stays in that.
Yes.
So if we can.
So what would the process be if it's not doing a request for proposal, if it's not doing
how do we weigh those options and and and and get people.
Well, like I said, for input.
I've been so busy doing research and reading documents and backtracking on everything within the water things at Dallas for and we haven't discussed it yet
I haven't even cracked the shell on who am I going to call at the state and ask these questions or how do I find out what exactly?
It's great that somebody tells you that, but you can't be penalized. You have to go ask for real documentation.
And those are the questions I've had for the PD and I tried to precept to go in twice last week
the week before, and trying to find out like, what is the PUD1, what is your, you're currently
running that, and I was told that they would not, they would be unwilling to do a proposal,
which I thought was,
and I don't know what that is, I mean, I'm saying like you're not willing to
You don't have confidence in your ability to run it or to show it on paper, or if that's, to me it seemed childish to say that they wouldn't even do it.
They were unwilling to.
I'm not speaking for.
Maybe like we're talking about there are some spits.
No, I don't want it. What was reported? What was reported? I wasn't reported. I'm not speaking for them because I wasn't there. I don't know.
I'd like them to speak.
Well, I think we're having a meeting with them if they're sure they can talk about what it is on.
That's what the whole idea of a meeting is.
Because I haven't heard that the utilities interested in even holding it.
Well, they're going to be worsted.
And then for Tellsport, for me, too, I know they get upset and they get angry, but just
like reporting about spills, I know you're passionate and you know it, but as a commissioner,
I can't take care of say off the street.
I have to have that report, and if they work with the state and they work through it,
and then that comes back to me, that's something legally that I have in my hand that I could
start making reports, I won't call it accusations.
but then we could start dealing with the reality of what it is. We've always got a stick to that
legal and what is a true document you can work with. I can't go bug somebody's neighbor just because
somebody else told me down the street.
Well, yeah, it's like the old recall conversation that you're
one, we wanted to maintain the ownership or so get rid of the ownership. You know, two buses and minuses, with that.
I think that's your first last year, right? I had last year budget. There was $2 million
life abilities coming up. Like, okay, I'll be out here. Who's going to pay for that liability?
You know, it's like I've heard several times. Well, you need to sell the system.
Well, who's going to pay for the system if it's sold? Whoever buys it with that debt, it's going to
charge somebody from the debt. So how you work out if you're going to sell. I mean, those are kind of
It's just when you're trying to be transparent and say it out front that this is what I'm thinking and why I'm going forward.
And then people start shooting arrows because you're being transparent.
When there's been no discussion, it's just blows me away.
Now I understand why Garrett government's not transparent.
Right.
No.
Yeah.
You're trying to say this when I'm doing it and why.
Instead of people wanting to come sit down with you and have the discussion.
it's just it's just for me. But that's me. No I mean that that is definitely an option and
probably the easiest and clearest option is the path that was put forward in the agreement.
Well that's why I always said that's where I stand on right or wrong. But there's pros and cons
with every decision, I, I, I, I, every back to there. So if any contractor that came forward
bid on it, but we didn't transfer our ship and they failed and I'm not just saying
Dallas or anybody say the one in Oregon or whatever. Oh, we have to go that out. We have no
choice back. That's what we're trying to avoid. We don't want to be a waste of our treatment.
Well, we were for 20, 20 years.
Yeah, I did a bit of a deed.
And so I'm saying, I mean, the reason why the discussion is there, so we did it for 20 years
during this really expensive part.
And.
And I said, when we started over, tell that down, spate off.
And the count we paid that down.
Right.
and they clicked that account and paid that app.
You know, I forgot to tell him.
I mean, that's where his final last,
everything clicked that account and paid that app.
Because it came from the papers where from my name, Bill.
Look right, I'm Bill.
You know, if it was just that community,
like normal, paid that.
We're going to be setting our targets. They pay that debt. It's an old briefcase.
Yeah.
And then so if another entity owns the wastewater and then the city incorporates, then do they take ownership.
That's a question for the state. I know.
I don't,
and I may be how you line it up with the contract.
And like Ron said, Benjamin now is managed by Benjamin S.
Q. Do you need a manager or something?
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
No, you know, they're still running it internally.
No, I'm just saying, Benjamin, I'll operate in the way for our project to help me.
Oh, okay. This one.
Yeah, just for the county, and then had the utility come in, but that time there was a couple complaints issues at it.
One was on the Biscard, and the other one was on the Biosolids.
And, you know, they had one person trying to run both in Biosolids.
I mean, it was a paraphernal.
Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
it's much easier for the PD. They have the equipment and the cruise and things like that.
And so, well they have the resources and I think that's why they've been able to use 1.5 FTE instead of the 3 FTE.
Yeah, no. Because they have the resources that we need a 3 FTE at one time.
I would like the PD together to get a say so, but they, well, I have a lot of concerns if they
I'd like them as of input.
All right, is there a motion to recess tell Thursday morning at 9.30?
Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion to recess tell Thursday at 9.30 for our work.
I said it. All of us in February, Sam.
Hi, you can do it.
Motion please. Thank you for coming.
Motion.
Holder.