1 00:00:00,399 --> 00:00:07,040 and at this time uh i'm calling his meeting to order 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:11,519 pastor clark to do a roll call mayor hamm 3 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:16,480 mayor pro temp hello councilwoman jones president 4 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:20,240 councilmember broadway here councilman woman matthews 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,880 councilman gaylord councilman akon here 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:31,760 we're all here uh next item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:36,640 is any changes to the event audition yes sir i'd like to add item e under new 8 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:41,800 business goldwell fire department engine number four emergency motor purchase 9 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:54,480 and i believe we have a closed session on them uh to discuss the personnel yes 10 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,480 sir okay 11 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,559 any other uh conditions or changes to 12 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:05,519 johnny anyone once you might i just want to add i just want to add one um i know 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,159 we acknowledge councilmember matthews and 14 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:14,400 being the first african-american uh female elected council member i just 15 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:18,479 want to um address the consideration of a resolution to be doing for the 16 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:22,960 archives of the city and that recognition of that 17 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:29,650 do you have one prepared i don't like consideration for they've been doing it 18 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:29,650 [Music] 19 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:37,959 [Music] 20 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:45,840 it's not a motion to uh adopt a gender please 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,119 move to about six that's that's the job the agenda hasn't 22 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,200 been in that case we've got a first and second uh 23 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,560 is there any uh any other 24 00:01:54,479 --> 00:02:01,119 objections or whatever if not always in favor raise your hand 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,920 all opposed emotional care 26 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:09,840 we have no old business so we'll go straight into the new business 27 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:13,250 [Music] 28 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:20,840 the fy 20 hours update [Music] 29 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:26,640 good evening mayor council david i am very pleased 30 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:30,560 to tell you that we are as they say in short roads with the audit 31 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:37,120 um so just a quick update so on friday 32 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:41,519 i reviewed the final financial statement and the compliance section so i reviewed 33 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:46,640 the whole audit giving back my corrections that needed to be done 34 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:51,360 and so i anticipate at this point that the 35 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,879 senior auditor has turned over the final audit 36 00:02:52,319 --> 00:03:00,400 to the partner so it has to go through partner review and then it has to go 37 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:03,440 through qc or quality control review so at that point they will have an issue 38 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:09,040 date i expect that to be done within about 39 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:14,800 two weeks uh borrowing any kind of major interruptions but i don't expect 40 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:20,000 anything different um so very pleased with uh that we're finally getting to 41 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:25,120 the end of this i know the council is um we should be able to get a published 42 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:30,480 audit and bound books in probably about a week after i get the final 43 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:34,400 um the lgc will receive the copy as soon as it's issued final 44 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,400 um so they'll actually get it probably before the council will but we'll try to 45 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:42,560 make that as timely as we can to get it to you as quickly as we can 46 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,640 so that you have the opportunity to review the audit 47 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:52,000 what our plan is is to bring back to the march 7th meeting is to have john frank 48 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,840 the partner in charge he's the cpa that y'all have seen her several times to 49 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,000 come back and discuss the audit with the council and answer any questions you 50 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:03,280 have so my hope is that you've had it in your hands at least one to two weeks so 51 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,879 you can put together questions or you can ask 52 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,879 them on the slot when they get 53 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:14,480 we will have copies for uh found copies for all the council and for the 54 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:17,919 newspaper uh for the city manager and his office 55 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:22,880 as well um so at the time when we bring the uh 56 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:29,120 the dixon huge to present the audit on seven i also have two agenda items one 57 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,840 will be to amend the final fy 20 contract 58 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:36,720 that has to be done and approved by council so that they can get paid the 59 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:41,120 final rounds and then i'll also bring the fy 21 contract for the council to 60 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:46,160 approve um they have agreed to continue on to 61 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:51,280 the third year of the audit so what we're going to do is we're going to put 62 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:56,800 in a completion date of june 30 of 2022 which means that 63 00:04:53,280 --> 00:05:00,800 getting that done we will be called up okay we'll be calling okay that's good 64 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:04,639 news you say june 65 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:09,520 completion that's a bound copy yes it's i'm gonna be honest with you 66 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,960 it's gonna be tight but um as we have discussed we're making some 67 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,880 modifications to the duties that i'm doing so that i can focus on the audit 68 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,960 so that we can get it done it is going to be a tight deadline because it took 69 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:26,160 probably two or three months to do the financial statement part of the audit so 70 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:30,400 it's going to be time but um you know that's the tentative agreement that 71 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:35,199 we've had with lgc and talking with susan and sharon um so we can get called 72 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:41,919 up so at that point when when we get to july 1 of 2022 73 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:47,680 the 20 the fiscal 22 audit where we are now is due no later than december 1 and 74 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:51,360 midnight okay so we we've got a little bit of time in there so we've already 75 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:56,160 been talking i've talked with auditors about scheduling field work so that we 76 00:05:53,680 --> 00:06:00,560 can get done and be on time with that so i just think that's really good positive 77 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,880 news that there's been a lot of people that have worked very hard on this and i 78 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:09,199 really appreciate all the effort and the support that i've been given to try to 79 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:14,720 get this done because it has really been a job um i have in your packets um i did 80 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:19,840 this little fun balanced governmental funds in your 81 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:23,759 packet so what this is the top part of this actually comes out of the audited 82 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,160 financial statements it's in what's called the statistical section 83 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,479 the statistical section is prepared by staff and it is not audited 84 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:36,880 but what i wanted to give you is to show you i want you to 85 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,479 look at the top part where it talks about general funds so you have general 86 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:45,680 fund and below that's other governmental funds but where you see highlighted in 87 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:51,599 yellow is that fund balance percentage that we talk so much about if you scroll 88 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:56,400 all the way to your far right under 2020 you see nine point three eight percent 89 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,240 okay so that's that magical number that the lgc says has got to be above eight 90 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:05,840 percent now i have talked to y'all for two years 91 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:10,160 that we were not sure that that number if it would not go below eight percent 92 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:14,880 it's at nine point three eight percent so it's not much but we'll take what an 93 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:19,759 extra 1.38 what what i wanted to point out to you 94 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:24,479 is just that table that i have below that's colored in blue and white 95 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:28,880 those are those are the pieces of debt that the council has taken to improve 96 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:33,680 the city of gulf war some of it's been streets some of it's been wa foster 97 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:39,520 brian multi sports complex and so forth so in five fiscal years from fiscal 15 98 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:44,639 through fiscal 19 the city's taking on 30.29 99 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:47,840 uh 39.2 million dollars in debt just in the general fund it's not utility fund 100 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:53,840 stuff plus what's not showing on this sheet is 101 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:57,199 we had a 1.75 million dollar commitment to tiger there was no we did not borrow 102 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,160 any money for that even though it had been talked about by previous 103 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,720 administration so out of that the general fund paid a 104 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:09,280 million of that so what i want you to look at is if you go back to the middle 105 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:12,400 of the page where it says 2015 and you scroll down about middle where 106 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:17,120 it says fund balance percentage was 51.23 107 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:20,720 now the reason that that number part of the reason gets so high is because 108 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:25,440 there's been a lot of debt that's why i gave you the table below so when you 109 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:32,000 look at all that debt that came on board from 15 until 2019 because if you 110 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:36,240 remember i i came in january and the cd took like uh it's like four million 111 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:40,000 dollars in street bond debt in december just before i got here so that's all 112 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:46,240 part of that number so i think what's important to realize is not to be so 113 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,440 short-sighted or short focused to say oh my goodness fund balance went down two 114 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:54,160 million dollars you're at nine point three eight percent in fiscal twenty 115 00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:58,640 what's important to realize it is kind of the winding down of like a five-year 116 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:03,519 project so stuff we do doesn't happen in 30 60 90 days it 117 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:09,120 happens over years it happens over various councils so just kind of keep 118 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,760 that long-term perspective in your mind and that the the the story that we're 119 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:18,160 showing and sharing with you today is that it's getting better because as you 120 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,160 i gave you all that november update and i showed we were two plus million in 121 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:27,279 general fund we're going to be probably like 4 million in the utility time so 122 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:31,040 things are they're going to turn around so when we can get done with the 21 all 123 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:34,640 that hopefully at the end of june or beginning of july 124 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:39,440 then we can tell an additional story where that picture starts going on the 125 00:09:36,959 --> 00:09:42,560 upswing so i just wanted to share that with you um just to give that little 126 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:47,120 sneak peak ahead since you're not going to see anything until the first of march 127 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,560 and i'd be glad to take any questions amortizations of most of those bonds are 128 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,880 10-year or 15-year amendment yes or most of them 129 00:09:52,640 --> 00:10:00,160 are 10 or 15 yes yes sir yes sir that is correct and 130 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:04,640 we're going to see when we do the 2023 budget um there was a refinancing of 131 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,079 this building i think it was a combination of this building in the 132 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,880 paramount so we're going to have a big chunk of debt service that's going to 133 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:16,160 drop off when we do the fiscal 23 budget which is going to help it's going to 134 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:20,160 give us a little bit of room that some things that might need to be done we'll 135 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:23,920 be able to get uh i haven't prepared the schedules yet to put in the budget but 136 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:28,800 that that's all happening right now i'm actually working on budget sheets so we 137 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:32,000 can get those out to the department any other questions that's actually 138 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:35,839 going to be going down yes sir that's right because because we haven't taken 139 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:39,120 all much debt so the three years we've been here it's just been about three 140 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:46,440 million dollars worth of debt certainly not in comparison to the 39.3 so 141 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:46,440 so yes you're going to start seeing that 142 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,680 since it's already come up in conversation the fun balance the magical 143 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:55,760 eight percent eight percent is that because it's one twelfth of the year it 144 00:10:53,519 --> 00:11:01,200 is can you talk a little bit about a little bit about what that eight percent 145 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:04,880 would represent why eight percent in what case scenario do we ever need 146 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:09,920 eight percent of our total budget sitting in cash so the reason that um 147 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,320 they really want you to have well that's really like the absolute bottom but they 148 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:19,040 want you to have at least eight percent because cash flow 149 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:24,079 paying deals um and i would tell you as from the standpoint of this budget that 150 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:29,839 we manage here is about 65 million managed to budget at the other unit i 151 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:29,839 was that was over 105 152 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:37,440 you're wondering how am i going to pay payroll this week so what they wanted 153 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:42,399 you to have the eight percent for was so that you can pay your bills timely and 154 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:47,200 then if you had a major disaster you know fema disaster flood hurricane 155 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:51,200 whatever that you could react to and then you could make sure that emergency 156 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:54,560 response happened and then you can pay the field so that 157 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:59,360 that was essentially one of the big reasons they want you to have that now i 158 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:04,480 would say units our size which we do not have an electric uh system in ours 159 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:09,360 they're running about 40 and as as i've mentioned before uh susan 160 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:14,240 and sharon at lgc would really like to see us have that probably 30 to 40 161 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:20,320 percent i would say that i would be comfortable if we were like maybe 22 to 162 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:24,320 25 but but that's yeah exactly so that's not i mean that's my personal opinion 163 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:29,279 but the council does whatever it feels is best for the city 164 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:29,279 thank you yes sir 165 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:38,710 it is good news positive news yes thank you and thank you all for your support 166 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:41,769 we all appreciate it very much thank you [Music] 167 00:12:45,770 --> 00:12:48,840 [Music] 168 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:56,959 yes sir i'd like to discuss the american rescue plan coronavirus state and local 169 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:00,160 fiscal recovery funds final guidance there's a little bit of background in 170 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:04,720 march 2021 the arpa state and local fiscal recovery 171 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:09,120 funds were provided to state and local tribal governments with the resources 172 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:13,120 needed to respond to the pandemic and economic effects 173 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:17,040 on may 10 2021 the u.s department of treasury issued its interim final 174 00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:25,040 guidance on may 17 2021 the city council 175 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:30,000 accepted 8.8 million in arpa grant funds and on june 21st 2021 the city council 176 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:35,200 adopted the grant project fund for the arp special revenue fund with 177 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:41,120 expenditures of 1.6 million for lost public lost revenue 178 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:46,480 2.6 million for water sewer and broadband infrastructure as identified 179 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:52,320 in the fy 21 and 22 budget in 4.6 million for contingency 180 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:57,360 on january 6 2022 the u.s treasury issued its final guidance 181 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:01,279 implementing our statutory provisions on eligible and ineligible uses 182 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:07,279 for the state local fiscal recovery funds which provides broader flexibility 183 00:14:04,079 --> 00:14:10,639 and greater simplicity in the program one of the most significant changes in 184 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:15,600 the final rule is a standard allowance for revenue loss of up to 10 million 185 00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:20,880 dollars not to exceed the awarded amount for each recipient 186 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:25,199 which in our case is 8.8 million given this flexibility staff recommend 187 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:28,959 the full award 8.8 million be applied to lost public sector revenue 188 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:33,760 to fund general government services primary salary and benefits 189 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:37,199 allowable expenditures would include any payroll for a legally 190 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,199 authorized function of the government such as public safety environmental 191 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:44,959 health recreation administration and public utilities 192 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,920 this will simplify the compliance requirements under uniform guidance and 193 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:54,079 replace tax and utility revenue that can then fund previously agreed water and 194 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,560 sewer infrastructure and other expenditures as determined by council 195 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:01,839 under north carolina law if council approves this change the 196 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:06,079 finance director will bring back a project budget amendment to council at 197 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:11,279 the next meeting in march to amend the grant project related to the 198 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:14,880 slfrf award recommendation is for council to approve 199 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:20,160 utilizing the standard allowance for revenue loss for the full sl frf award 200 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,480 of 8.813 514 201 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:27,120 [Music] pending any questions i request a vote 202 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,800 to approve this you ever want to understand what you 203 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:35,519 just said i would like for you to um 204 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:42,000 while i have read this um if you could just simplify 205 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:46,639 okay please um to simplify we've been given authority to use all of 206 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:49,839 our 8.8 million in 207 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,560 the general fund or you can use it in utility fund 208 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:57,519 there's lots of different ways we can use it it can be applied against 209 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,920 personnel is what the staff is recommending because it's very easy to 210 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,959 track and very easy to report on 211 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:12,320 and then what would normally have funded tax revenue for personnel can be 212 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:15,040 utilized as we deem appropriate with 213 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,320 then applying north carolina state law rather than federal law so federal law 214 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,839 on the uniform guidance has a lot of restrictions that you'd have to apply to 215 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,839 you need to have a program manager overseeing a lot of different things in 216 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:29,279 this case uh catherine is i think the finance department can oversee 217 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,160 the um the funds if we put them towards 218 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,399 personnel costs for their payroll etc 219 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:40,320 okay i understand that thank you my question 220 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,279 is well maybe i don't understand it so let 221 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:48,839 me ask the question so what you're saying is that funding is now going to 222 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:53,920 fall under what you're saying but it can only 223 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:58,240 be used based on the recommendation of the staff for payroll is that what 224 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,279 you're saying staff's recommendations we will assign it against payroll and then 225 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:04,720 the money that you would have gotten in taxes from property taxes sales tax et 226 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:10,079 cetera that would have paid for payroll can then be used in the manner in which 227 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:13,439 we previously decided so 1.6 million as i mentioned earlier in 228 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:17,839 the background has already been put into the budget to pay for operating expenses 229 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,919 and payroll and then 2.6 million was to go for capital improvements 230 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:25,280 in public utilities so 231 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:30,080 we can take the funding that is becoming available and apply it 232 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:36,000 still buy those capital projects but we would do that under north carolina law 233 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,000 rather than uniform guidance 234 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:42,400 so [Music] 235 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:46,480 do you have to have a decision on this tonight because to be perfectly honest i 236 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:49,919 don't feel confident enough to make a decision 237 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,440 because i'm not fully understanding and i don't want to 238 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:59,120 take up a lot of time that i just don't feel confident to make a decision 239 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:02,160 to approve or not approve this 240 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,280 so i guess does this have to be settled tonight 241 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:09,520 we can take it to the retreat or we can take it to the march meeting um i know 242 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:14,480 the finance director would prefer to start putting the funding towards the 243 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,720 payroll costs so that we can spend it down 244 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,120 so i'm not i'm not asking for um and i know councilwoman you have a question 245 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,919 but um i would 246 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,160 i would like if we could at least move it to the retreat it just would give me 247 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:35,760 more time to ask you know some more questions to you um city manager so i 248 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:38,880 can make a more confident decision okay i would actually like to have the 10 249 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:43,200 arch simply because i am not under 250 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:49,440 understanding everything and i want to make sure that some money 251 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:52,400 goes to public utilities i don't want to backtrack and what we've done and what 252 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:58,160 we've decided and and listening to this i'm not really 253 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:02,559 understanding if we're going to do that so i would like to have more time to 254 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,919 research this and it's going to take more time than um councilwoman matthews 255 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:13,679 it's going to take more time than in march because i would like to 256 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:19,360 truly understand it because we are looking at something extremely 257 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:25,919 important here and it affects everyone it affects the staff it will affect our 258 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:29,679 constituents so i want to make sure that i make the right decision 259 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,760 i wouldn't change the way we were spending it this year it's just how the 260 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:43,520 different plots of money are aligned um there is one project that was originally 261 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:48,320 put in the budget for 550 thousands to do a study for public utility 262 00:19:45,679 --> 00:19:52,960 requirements but because we've got the asset inventory assessment that's being 263 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:56,000 done for 400 000 we're going to put that on hold so 264 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,840 that funding would be available to do other things as determined as we go 265 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,480 along here but that's that's for another day 266 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,200 catherine i don't know if you had anything else to add 267 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:23,200 because you know we're having to get the departments to code their payroll 268 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:27,520 um however with the council having reservations for that i will still go 269 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:32,159 ahead and direct them to start coding their payroll getting their timesheets 270 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:36,720 in because the problem is because we're already 271 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:42,400 you know we're past seven months and for us to get the justification we need to 272 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:46,559 to take the whole 4.5 million we're running out of time and it is a 273 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:50,400 tremendous bonus to try to go back and fix 274 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:54,159 so we it's fine we can do what we need to do and one thing i will say to the 275 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:58,320 council is because we are are supplanting and we're 276 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:03,760 allowed to supplant those monies the council can now say 277 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:08,799 okay well we have general fund monies available to do other things so if you 278 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:13,440 wanted to allocate something for like some utility assistance program out of 279 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:17,280 the general fund you can do that if you so choose to do or you have other 280 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:22,320 projects but the thing you have to realize is remember that first trench of 281 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:27,440 money that 4.5 million is already obligated instant spent the contingency 282 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:32,559 the other 4.7 million you have the ability to decide where you want to go 283 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:37,440 and again that can be a as we go through the 2023 budget process that you can 284 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:43,120 make those decisions because all we're going to do is supplant 285 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:48,480 that other 4.7 million into payroll which brings up other revenues like 286 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,080 property tax or sales tax or utility revenues to do a project or if you have 287 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:58,880 some other community based need that you see you can do that in the general fund 288 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,159 money the strings are not fair so you don't have to deal with the procurement 289 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,679 the contract in the beginning and that can be a real nightmare 290 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,960 because one of these you have good services which can be a nightmare when 291 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:13,120 you're trying to find people and you're in a very specialized type of field so 292 00:22:19,420 --> 00:22:25,360 [Music] see if i'm oversimplifying this 293 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,440 let's say we have two pots of money we've got eight million from 294 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:32,320 the recovery act and we've got our general fund balance 295 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,320 all right we get that eight million dollars into 296 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,919 this pot here so that pot's got eight million dollars in it 297 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,440 all right right now we're taken out of the other pot to pay our personnel 298 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:50,559 and that's taking up a lot of our general fund balance so now what we can 299 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:56,159 do is we can take out from that eight million dollars to pay personnel 300 00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:00,080 and that frees up the personnel money to do 301 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:05,919 capital improvements to do whatever we have a need for 302 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:09,280 so really and truly it's it's really a i'm not going to say it's too simple but 303 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,200 that's exactly typically you know federal grants they 304 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,080 don't allow us discipline so that that's the one thing that has 305 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,039 been really um just mind-blowing for all of us and local government that have 306 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,640 dealt with federal grants is they typically don't like this 307 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:29,440 but the guidance that we've gotten from school of government and these weekly 308 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:34,480 calls that we sit on with carol she specializes in the finance aspect of 309 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:40,159 it she has been telling us that what we've been reading from the final guys 310 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:44,400 it's okay to do that so that that's for us i think for the administrative 311 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,799 nightmare um like we've been with with the crf money with the county how much 312 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:52,400 that this is going to bring this is actually gonna it's more volume but it's 313 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:58,880 actually gonna be simple because we can use it all in payroll so plant those 314 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:02,880 dollars as you said and just take a spin i'd be fine with just to lend it to the 315 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:07,440 retreat myself i'm up for retreat 316 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:12,799 so while i understand that it may be super simple for you guys you have two 317 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:18,320 people on this board who has requested i requested it for the retreat but i am on 318 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,919 the same boat with councilwoman and if we can 319 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:26,000 hold this off until march meeting then let's do that 320 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:33,200 i am asking that we do that for those of us who it's not so simple for 321 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:39,919 i would i would suggest that we have time that we treat to discuss 322 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,919 this more in depth 323 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,919 than we might have uh after another meeting in march 324 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:52,559 and of course that's two weeks from now so hopefully 325 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,640 one someone who needs additional information would have 326 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:00,400 two weeks to research it and satisfy themselves 327 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:04,000 that they would take one or the other position 328 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,240 by the tweet time councilwoman are you okay with that 329 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:14,559 because i'll still support your mark 7. no i'm not no i'm not but uh i will vote 330 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:19,440 no and it will be voted down but no 331 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:22,400 so i guess we have a a situation here where we need to 332 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:29,200 determine whether we're going to do it and let's just uh 333 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:33,039 the the impact again is you might not be able to transfer that 334 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,799 funding to purchase some of the public utility capital 335 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:42,159 improvement programs the way we're talking about under north carolina 336 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:46,559 versus the federal law requirements if we wait until march if you wait 337 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,600 you know i i haven't figured out those numbers yet but it makes it more 338 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,200 difficult to account for all those personnel costs 339 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,080 in the end if you don't do it you can just do it the next year instead of 340 00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,880 accomplishing all in this budget here you 341 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,880 start to put that in the fy 23 budget 342 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:11,320 catherine i will ask you to weigh in on [Music] 343 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,320 the salmon's uh comedy just made 344 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:18,720 as to the uh impact of the land 345 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,600 so um what because the council approved the 2.5 346 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:28,880 billion for this fiscal year that capital just gets the money okay 347 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:33,120 so there's really unless something breaks you know and it tears up and you 348 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,039 can't process your silver so i think you know if you ask for a sherman he would 349 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:41,440 of course like to get it done but i think that my conversations that 350 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:45,679 i've had with the manager with bert that that can weigh 351 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:48,480 so 1.6 million is a given okay so 352 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:54,000 we know that that was used to balance the fy22 budget so we've got authority 353 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:58,080 to do that that's company stop us but really what we're trying to do is 354 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:03,600 get it all gathered in so that it's under lost public sector revenue but 355 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:07,200 it's fine it can wait tomorrow so i i mean it would i i urge manager let's go 356 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:11,520 ahead and try to get it done so i can get the staff started but we can go 357 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:16,400 ahead and get started i'll key in the payroll to do the 1.6 million and if we 358 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:22,399 have to and we've got to shift it and put it in the 2023 budget to do the 359 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:25,760 other 4.5 million we can and if at that one time you know you resolved your 360 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:30,480 questions and you feel comfortable to vote to move it to lost public sector or 361 00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:34,000 whatever you know you want to do we can at that point i mean that's fine 362 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:49,279 the problem with march or february my problem is i want to help the finance 363 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,000 department as much as i can to get that i don't see that another 364 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:55,679 month and another two weeks makes a lot of 365 00:27:53,679 --> 00:28:00,480 difference and we'll have time in february to go through this 366 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:05,039 i think so and like i said it just it makes it a little bit cleaner because 367 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:09,039 the decisions may but if the council's got some you know 368 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:12,080 worries about that it's fine another month is perfectly fine we'll get 369 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:17,200 consistent our budget preparations start in march 370 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:20,880 uh yeah correct well yes we'll start so 371 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:24,480 the managers also start meeting the departments in march we're getting the 372 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:29,039 budget sheets ready now some departments can start putting that stuff in so yes 373 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:33,679 it's cranking up right now but you won't see a whole lot of activity until march 374 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:38,880 and with the unit assistance uh letter the agreement that we have we have to 375 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:42,399 turn the budget into lgc by the 15th of may so you all will actually have the 376 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,320 budget in hand probably a good three or four weeks 377 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,840 earlier than you've had before which is good because it gives you time to review 378 00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:52,960 it and have some time to go ahead and ask questions 379 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,559 okay for those of you who understand this 380 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:02,960 and uh councilman aycock did a very 381 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:06,720 good job of explaining that i 382 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:12,640 still am not understanding all of this and i i am a very intelligent woman 383 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:17,840 but i would like to have time to look at this 384 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:22,000 however if you call a vote and you decide that you want to do it in 385 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,840 february then 386 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:29,520 i have no other choice but to rush 387 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:34,320 and look at this i'm not asking enough so that's my final 388 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:39,520 say haste makes ways and when someone doesn't understand something 389 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,200 then out of respect you should allow them to understand it 390 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:50,080 so that they can make a good decision that's i'm not asking you to rush what 391 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,799 i'm just saying is my suggestion right now is to let's not 392 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:58,880 do anything tonight and then when we have our retreat 393 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,640 see if all your questions have been answered by the retreat and if we can 394 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:07,520 make a vote at retreat and we make a vote okay now i can agree with that 395 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,120 i can agree with that i'm not i'm not going to try to undermine 396 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:16,159 anybody's you know their understanding of this 397 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,480 thank you and you know i'm not trying to say i am trying to undermine it and i'm 398 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:25,200 not going to try to make y'all make a decision you don't feel comfortable with 399 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:29,679 what i'm trying to say is let's see if we can't get it done as soon as you all 400 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,159 feel comfortable that's the only thing i'm saying 401 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:37,200 you know if you don't feel comfortable in 402 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:41,200 the 21st and 22nd of february then we'll just extend it until the first meeting 403 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,279 in march but no later than the first meeting in march we will have to make a 404 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:48,159 decision thank you and i can agree to that 405 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,240 what about you i know we all i know we all get a 406 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:56,640 subscription to the nclm magazine uh and i know roseboro will showcase as 407 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,919 far as allocating the allocation of these funds 408 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,279 so i think like you said i've been kind of 409 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,399 updating myself on this and uh but like i said by 410 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:08,799 that meeting if we haven't decided and there 411 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:12,080 still needs to be some points of clarity made at that point 412 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:15,039 but actually as far as tonight deciding i mean let's say got two weeks for the 413 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,880 retreat i mean between now and then and if we 414 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,159 need to extend out after that i'll have some questions more questions 415 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:26,000 asked at that point too this one kind of being quiet 416 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:29,200 tonight but um i think like see if we don't necessarily 417 00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:32,480 have to vote on it tonight we can wait to the retreat then see if we have any 418 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:38,240 questions thereafter would that be a proper protocol to do that 419 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:41,679 and we can refer to the retreat everyone in an agreement with that 420 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:46,880 okay [Music] 421 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,360 you have to put um on the agenda for the retreat yes sir 422 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,360 okay 423 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:02,320 next item is the older event center 424 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,320 departmental oversight change 425 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,640 good 426 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:21,039 evening propose a departmental shift of oversight of the australia event 427 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,640 center from paramount to the 428 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,640 goldsboro golf course um 429 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,840 a little bit of history for those who may or may not know about 430 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:40,799 that uh this was the uh country club 431 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,799 purchased and renovated by the city in 2015 432 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:48,960 operations transferred from goldsboro parks and recreation to paramount they 433 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:52,799 was in parks and recreation during the uh during the overhaul 434 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,600 and then transferred to paramount in 2016. 435 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,799 the site includes a 18 more municipal golf course pickleball ports clay tennis 436 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,279 courts uh it is um and the facility itself has 437 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:10,960 a ballroom you're all familiar with that you'll be there in a couple of weeks 438 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,559 dining room bar kitchen patio coke shop and locker rooms 439 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:19,279 uh utilities maintenance and certain amenities are split between the uh gdc 440 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,120 and the volvo golf course right now between the budgets 441 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:28,080 and the gdc has rented a public weddings banquets conferences meetings etc 442 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:32,399 uh it's available for city department use at no charge and maybe the city 443 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,000 sponsored two of the activities at the discretion of the department 444 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:43,039 headquarters prior to kobe 19 which was a uh 445 00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:47,039 event activity for a period of time 446 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:52,160 it was growing by an average about about 20 per year 447 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:52,160 [Music] 448 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:02,000 uh what we propose is that uh the oversight be transferred to the golf 449 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:06,320 course uh which is a division of parks and rec 450 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:10,960 uh we feel that this integration of the two together will be allow us to operate 451 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:15,679 more efficiently and will avail us to more uh activity greater activity with 452 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,879 the increased use of the golf course that we've been seeing during the the 453 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,879 pandemic and since 454 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:33,760 with activity uh while the event center is still rebounding from that uh closure 455 00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:38,159 and uh kind of softer activity 456 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:41,599 and uh putting them together with the maintenance ground keeping custodial 457 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,480 staff and shared throughout the site and facility 458 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:49,280 uh the activity we more effectively align those increasing tournaments in 459 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,359 golf course and finance will no longer need to split 460 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,639 utility bills and better contracts between the two departments 461 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,599 the budget impact we expect to be modest 462 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,599 we expect it to be positive reduced overhead maintenance and administrative 463 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:12,640 expenses uh increased revenue from additional bar and space rental activity 464 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:18,320 we project uh 15 22 percent increase in revenue immediately 465 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,960 in this in the rest of this fiscal year uh 466 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:24,800 community activity programs can be explored through revenue streams 467 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:33,040 the existing uh personnel 468 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,960 would be uh the events of the manager who we actually are uh interviewing for 469 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,359 right now uh our event center venture was 470 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,800 enthusiastic about this uh this proposal and uh but then got a nice 471 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:51,200 offer uh elsewhere and and has moved on and so we are uh currently we have some 472 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:54,079 uh excellent applicants and uh we're gonna 473 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:58,400 make those uh uh have those interviews this week and next week 474 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:03,359 uh right now uh we have a patron services and operational assistant who's 475 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:07,440 a permanent part-time uh employee uh jamie tyler 476 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:10,960 um who has worked at the paramount for several years and then has been 477 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,520 at the second in command at the event center uh 478 00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:19,839 heading up uh staffing for for the events and such 479 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:24,400 um with a flexible schedule uh we have uh several 480 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,160 building attendants who are event specific so we're really carrying very 481 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,480 little overhead on personnel 482 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,079 right now uh and then i am the uh 483 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,240 and the uh director of the event center right now i do have an extensive 484 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,800 background in hospitality as well as theater so uh it was a good fit 485 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,119 but i can also see where the benefit is of uh 486 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,359 moving this toward the uh and 487 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:55,400 linking it to the operation of the golf course 488 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,400 the proposed 489 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:03,119 personnel will be uh obie uh at the director of gulf uh would now oversee 490 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,599 the fgc together with the uh golf course 491 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,040 um uh kyle hope who's our clubhouse manager 492 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,400 over there right now and then uh the person who we're 493 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:18,640 interviewing for right now uh between the three we get to be a little bit more 494 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:26,160 efficient this is an operation that is days nights and weekends so um anytime 495 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:32,079 that we can save uh by not staffing both uh both sides uh at the same time 496 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:37,119 if it's not essential and then you know that becomes a more efficient operation 497 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:41,440 and then uh jamie tyler uh you know continuing on uh potentially in this 498 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:46,400 position with the picture services and operational assistant heading up our um 499 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,800 our event specific staff at that time 500 00:37:52,960 --> 00:38:01,680 so this has been it was a new operation back in 2016 and since i arrived in 2019 501 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,160 uh you know we've seen it uh continually 502 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:11,040 increase the revenue uh in 2019 of course was 503 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,400 last year that before it was closed in 2020 504 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,680 and you know it was showing a a good 505 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,920 progression and we expect that to bounce back but we 506 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:28,320 don't expect it to be particularly robust for a little while still we have 507 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:34,640 a we have a solid uh schedule ahead but we have not seen a return of 508 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,599 activity that we've had in the past not uh um 509 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:43,119 you know not to the level that we have expected or desired uh and so again with 510 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,359 the activity at the golf course we think that that we can leave those together 511 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:50,960 and really make something special happen and have a great amount of activity 512 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,640 um the revenue you know it has been again 513 00:38:54,240 --> 00:39:03,200 steadily increasing but it has never covered the expenses yet however the um 514 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:08,160 added in the use of the city the cost uh or the uh 515 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:12,320 uh the value of the use by the city we start to get close to covering the 516 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:16,320 expenses that we've had and again it's been a trend that we've been watching 517 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:21,680 for for years even if it was predating me i mean to see what those um 518 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,680 what those numbers are uh budget impacts uh no additions to staff salary or 519 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:30,800 investments of facility and equipment would be required to make this change 520 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:35,280 the management team will see value adding amenities and modifications to be 521 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:40,720 proposed in future budget years and we see again a net benefit from 522 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:46,079 increased use and efficiency in this first year the remainder of this first 523 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:49,520 year at potentially around 25 000 um 524 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:54,839 so we recommend that this is something that we do it's not a a uh it's not a 525 00:39:53,040 --> 00:40:00,960 major uh budget line item you know perhaps in 526 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:05,920 the scope of the city at large but we think that anything that we can do to 527 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:10,880 enhance that efficiency and add value is going to be uh beneficial 528 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,880 so 529 00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:18,489 [Music] 530 00:40:22,839 --> 00:40:28,640 i uh thought of this i've been thinking about 531 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:34,960 it from the day i was hired uh my goal was to of course the concern was 532 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:39,319 to get those words of recognition so the city wants to have the sunshine 533 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,920 the jeep they think the clubhouse should be part of the bottles and that 534 00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:02,960 and and now it will eliminate a lot of chances that 535 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,560 i have not forgotten if i were over it 536 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:25,440 so the goal is you know as usual to try and still create revenue streams for the 537 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,040 golf course so that we can still continue to show 538 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,960 our profit or break even at the end of the year 539 00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:34,960 we have the bar that we're 540 00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:47,319 um 541 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:02,960 but now we can use indoors we get to showcase what we have 542 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960 uh today i was visited by somebody 543 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960 they're just 544 00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:33,599 [Music] finance director uh 545 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:38,079 miss captain do you have any comments you want to make for this 546 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:42,400 no sir i think this is proposed for the fiscal 23 years 547 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:48,160 so it doesn't pose us any problems as far as financial budget okay 548 00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:50,400 and mrs allen you have any comments you're not going to start right now 549 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,400 you're going to start it in fiscal year 23. 550 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:59,839 well mike i guess it will depend on that 551 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,839 that's the lab 552 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,079 and we've seen that that it's something that they started 553 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,720 and so rather than me saying well give me a call for us i think that um 554 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:14,400 especially with the base losing their dog 555 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:19,359 you think the timing is very good with everything including the fact that 556 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:23,200 that event centers industry wanted are seeing that soft return 557 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:30,079 we have plenty on the books it's it's not you know everything that we want 558 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,599 it's not everything that we've had but if we start adding and making an 559 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,839 attractive place uh having having people out there on the 560 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,960 patio which is one of the most beautiful places to be and yet it's not utilized 561 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,839 right now because we've been exclusively offended 562 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,839 it's not rendered it's closed and now that that doesn't have to be the 563 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:50,839 case 564 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,760 we bet god the direct one is 565 00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:14,880 a good event that panels uh excuse me 566 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,560 and the as far as concessions if we do do food and bar 567 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:24,960 my system can handle that it's designed to do retail restaurant and golf okay so 568 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:30,079 as far as i mean we won't need to reach out and rent buy get any other software 569 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:34,160 in order to keep it running stuff it actually 570 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,839 we plan to enhance the ability to actually use the space uh i don't think 571 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,400 there's an option to put the space online 572 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,319 not yet so yeah i'm just talking about that this morning so 573 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:49,119 that could be done right now with people about to come in 574 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:54,720 and uh into the check uh or cash uh for for uh making their payments uh deposits 575 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:58,839 and and uh making this along the way uh and we'd like to make that an online 576 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:02,480 transaction as well and i think together and 577 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:07,640 marching right already has a terrific online option for many things 578 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,520 i think there's just a lot more and it's a beautiful refugees 579 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:23,119 it's a better facility when it's aligned with beautiful workforce 580 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,119 we've recently hosted 581 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,079 mayors and commissioners from eastern north 582 00:46:26,839 --> 00:46:35,000 carolina there and we received a tremendous amount of confidence about 583 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,000 that facility both um 584 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,560 anyone else have any questions 585 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,520 thank you 586 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,659 [Applause] 587 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:08,400 i'll make this very quick i've given you a copy of my little 588 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,880 speech tonight but i'm gonna forego most of that in the lieu of time 589 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,839 we do have four vacancies on several boards commissions and i'll bring um 590 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:21,280 this item back to the march 7th meeting for you guys to make recommendations to 591 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,880 that board and i'll bring the resolution appointing those members back at the 592 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:29,839 march 21st meeting i do need you guys to review the 593 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,359 board's admissions calendar that was given to you by the email as well as in 594 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:37,119 front of you i have one 595 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:41,040 major change which is a time change it was listed as planning commission was 596 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,240 meeting at 5 30 they actually meet at six 597 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:49,839 so if you would not mind if you guys would reapprove that calendar from me 598 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,839 and we'll get it reposted 599 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,680 um before that 600 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:59,680 meeting while we're considering um can you give us a breakdown of the 601 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,920 members and what they should never predict that we can do whatever his name 602 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,319 i have that for you i'll send it to you tomorrow 603 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,760 any questions on the changes uh 604 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,480 tomorrow 605 00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:24,349 [Applause] 606 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,400 so 607 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,280 thank you 608 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:53,040 that i approve an emergency purchase of a 50-57 609 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,599 engine motor replacement for fire engine number four which is a 12 year old 610 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,559 apparatus currently out of service this is a firefighter and public safety 611 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:09,520 issue we're relying on a 24 year old backup reserve vehicle with essentially 612 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:13,280 500 000 miles worth of engine time on the 613 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:16,880 motor replacement is not a budgeted item so we may need to come out of fund 614 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,079 balance for this in the future but with council concurrence the finance director 615 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:23,920 will come back to you at a later date with a budget amendment 616 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,960 chief barfor is here to answer any questions we have about the specific 617 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,960 vehicle and engine problems 618 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,800 i think it's a public safety issue we can't ignore 619 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,720 okay 620 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,800 is 621 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:14,160 so i just wanted to uh i just wanted to make a recommendation 622 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,280 for councilwoman matthews to have an official 623 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:21,200 resolution drawn up and more archived for monumental contributions to 624 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:24,960 the city council as being the first african-american female councilwoman to 625 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:29,200 serve on this council i realize she's been recognized um other ways but i 626 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,839 think that she needs an official document uh presented by the council 627 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,839 going to the city 628 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,400 that's all right 629 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,280 is 630 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:25,760 so with that being said tonight you have a 40 uh student 631 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:30,319 specialties permanence uh request from the county's 632 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:38,640 above ground fuel dispensing facility off of 8th street the other one is for 633 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,640 the applicant's unbelief students 634 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,240 i'll let you know tonight if you would like a refresher let me 635 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,599 know but i'll just tell you again the planning board did make the 636 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:58,240 recommendation for both of these recipes use permits to be approved by counseling 637 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,319 in greek we are asking the board to approve the use for each one of these 638 00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:06,240 requests and order uh a proven use of each request again 639 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:10,160 from a long ground fuel dispensing facility by wayne county and we'll 640 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:14,319 replace them entertainment with abc permits by function first limits if you 641 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,440 have any questions please let me know if i need to address it through a slide 642 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:22,760 please let me know i'm glad you're a refresher 643 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,760 okay any questions 644 00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:34,379 [Music] 645 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,400 items 646 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,760 it will recess until seven o'clock 647 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:51,920 okay it's seven o'clock uh monday february 7th 2022 648 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:57,359 the regular session of the goldberg city council is called water 649 00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:03,599 this time i would uh invite archbishop anthony 650 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:06,799 slater to come forward and give us a prayer for the meeting and then we'll 651 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,680 follow that with the praise believers so if you stand please 652 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:17,119 good evening everyone amen shall we pray our father and our god we thank you for 653 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,040 this moment that we can come together and just call on your name 654 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,440 father we ask you to bless these who have coming to do the bidding for the 655 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:27,440 people the warnings that are hearing our voice 656 01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:30,640 and preparing this city to go to the next level 657 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:34,160 father we thank you we thank you for all the things that have happening 658 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,760 the good and the bad the bad even preparing us to appreciate 659 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,720 the good now father we ask you lord for guidance 660 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,960 tonight we ask you lord to help us as we continue to press toward the mark 661 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:53,599 thank you for goldberg and all these things we pray amen amen 662 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,599 thank you sir thank you 663 01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:10,040 thank you [Music] 664 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:10,040 liberty and justice for all 665 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,920 okay madam clerk if you would call the roll please mayor ham yeah mayor protein 666 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,160 politics councilwoman jones 667 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,240 councilman broadway here councilwoman matthews thank you councilman gala 668 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,640 councilman aco okay we're all here 669 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:37,359 next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes on january 24th the work 670 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:42,079 session and the regular uh meeting minutes 671 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,079 i'll have a 672 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:50,480 motion to approve those second motion approve and second uh 673 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,480 any opposed 674 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,520 okay question and proof 675 01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:07,359 i'll tell you our presentations i think we have someone from the uh gowanus club 676 01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:12,079 to come speaking david you needed to vote on yeah i'm sorry we need it i'm 677 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:16,640 sorry uh we had a motion in a second i'm sorry 678 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,559 all in favor approve of the minutes of january 24 2022 raise your hand 679 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:27,839 those are not favored there are none motions 680 01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:33,000 carried and approved thank you now we can go to the 681 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,000 presentation 682 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,119 can't even start 683 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:50,559 well good evening uh i'm chip i'm chip craig with the club in goldsboro and i'm 684 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:54,559 happy to be here to do an update presentation on where we 685 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:58,640 are with the uh the status of the miniature train 686 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:01,880 uh this presentation coming up i think so 687 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:18,400 you just press the middle button the middle button okay 688 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,720 uh if just just a quick reminder uh we call it 689 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,720 the kiwanis miniature train at hermann park the reality is 690 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,079 it is a gold city of gold for a miniature train you guys own the 691 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:34,799 existing train you will own the new train that is coming uh basically it's 692 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:38,799 the kiwanis club we are stewards of that train for you and our 693 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:43,359 responsibility is we operated for the city 694 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:46,480 we have done that for 67 years now 100 as volunteers nobody's ever gotten paid 695 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,720 to do that uh 696 01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:52,079 it is a am i doing that are you doing that 697 01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:03,760 so it has been going on for 67 years uh it's an iconic part of the uh the city 698 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,119 uh some people i know i've had four generations now that uh that have 699 01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:10,640 written a train i don't know if we have five generations but i know we have at 700 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:16,079 least four generations that have ridden that train uh it's been featured in our 701 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:19,839 state magazine several times but we had a discussion about what was gonna uh 702 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:23,680 what we needed to do with the train uh we came to the conclusion uh in late 703 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,280 june of this year the trains would have to be replaced 704 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:32,079 if we wanted to keep going for another 40 50 60 70 years 705 01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:38,079 so at that time we came before the city council 706 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:41,680 and we asked you on august 16th we asked a few things 707 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:45,039 we asked for your permission that the kiwanis club could initiate a 708 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,640 fundraising campaign on behalf of the city to raise the funds needed to 709 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:51,839 replace the train and do you approve that 710 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:57,200 we asked that that you allow us to use the reserve funds that we we had set 711 01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,839 aside that's required by the city that we had those uh just like you heard 712 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,640 about the fire truck committed ago nobody wanted an unexpected expense so 713 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:11,359 we actually allow us to use the reserve funds uh then we had uh down 714 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,839 payment for the new trade he approved that 715 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,760 uh he gave us permission to work with the city staff on the design 716 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:22,319 uh and the plans what was going to be coming from the upgraded experience 717 01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:26,000 and an important aspect as well as number four 718 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:29,599 was if the old training has been sold in any proceeds from that train 719 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:33,440 would not be used just in the general city office but instead we'll come back 720 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:37,839 to the kiwanis club specifically for the street replacement 721 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,839 project 722 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:52,079 chip one second is this is this a powerpoint because it looks like he's 723 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:55,599 not able to it it is a this looks like 724 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,760 it's also it's a i think 725 01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:03,720 this is a piece it's a pdf but it should be a good play 726 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,720 last time 727 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:18,839 [Music] slides 728 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,319 i think he's going to do it for you i think okay that would be fine 729 01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:46,680 [Music] slides 730 01:06:53,680 --> 01:07:01,119 uh on october 31st uh on halloween day we finished our 67th 731 01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:05,440 season of running this train uh we had over 12 000 riders in the 732 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,760 regular season that's an absolute record for us uh by the time we throw the polar 733 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:13,039 express and the other extended runs we did 734 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:16,799 we probably had close to 18 000 riders this year uh and that that is absolutely 735 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,359 phenomenal uh next 736 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:26,640 one since then november 4th we had a very cold groundbreaking day 737 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:33,280 we plan on running train that day we've had phenomenal great weather all year 738 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:38,000 where we run the train almost anytime we wanted to for that particular day if you 739 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:42,520 remember it's got 45 degrees and raining and we cannot run the train thanks 740 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:50,480 uh and then we normally do the uh the jiggle in the park which is only one or 741 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:54,319 two days of ride in the train uh we expanded that this year to do the 742 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:57,920 full express and we ran the next two weekends on extended runs 743 01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,160 uh and you'll see a couple pictures there you may see that we're actually a 744 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,599 dog friendly uh type friendly ride there you'll see uh bear ham was happy to be 745 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:11,280 there for his dogs uh and you'll see on the far right-hand 746 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:15,280 side it says 1953 training retired on december 18 2021 747 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,880 and about 8 30 on that night that was the last part of the stream the mayor 748 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:23,359 had the opportunity to be on the train after that particular run uh then we put 749 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:27,279 it away in the tunnel we had everything decorated and we left it that way for a 750 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,600 couple days we left lights on everything else just kind of felt like a fitting 751 01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:35,640 way to retire the train and running for over 752 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,640 67 years 753 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:45,839 all right here we go all right let's go back and look at the bunches in 754 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:48,799 august of 16 2021 the left-hand side we said there's gonna be about a hundred 755 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:51,679 and ten thousand dollars for the new train 756 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:55,120 ten thousand dollars is gonna cost us for the bricks because you are gonna be 757 01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:00,319 a fundraising bricks and about thirty thousand dollars for a 758 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:05,040 train platform of some type if funds allowed and we needed about 150 000 759 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:08,239 to get there right now is today we're looking at 760 01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:12,000 still a hundred ten thousand dollars for a new trade we're looking at twenty four 761 01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:14,640 thousand dollars what's the cost of the bricks 762 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:18,880 that's an increase in expense but you know what's good about that that means a 763 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:23,839 lot more people bought a lot more bricks than we anticipated that our fundraising 764 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:29,040 goal uh was more than that and uh so when we figured we're done 765 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:33,120 with that we have about 60 000 cash fund will be available 766 01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:37,279 to construct the platform uh that a significant increase 767 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:40,640 uh so about 200 uh two thousand dollars total 768 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:44,480 if we go back and look at how the funding was originally here's how we 769 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:48,080 planned on funding this fifty thousand dollars from that legacy fund that 770 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,759 reserve fund that you allowed us to pull down and we did that 771 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:55,120 uh we figured about twenty five thousand dollars in the old trade we go towards 772 01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:59,840 new trade and to me i thought this is stretch but 773 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:03,360 about seventy five thousand dollars from donations from our community our 774 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:06,640 citizens and our businesses look at the right-hand side 775 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,560 we still have that fifty thousand dollars we put into that train 776 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:16,800 there is zero money going from the new train to be sold when we go into that 777 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:21,520 152 000 of cash donations in this community uh for this trade that is 778 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:26,320 absolutely phenomenal exceeds our wildest dreams and that is still on the 779 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:29,360 low end because they got a call again today when somebody said hey they want 780 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,400 to contribute a significant amount of money for that 781 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,199 so we think that more money is going to be coming in 782 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:40,560 uh here so that's a good thing so we know we 783 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:46,000 have about 202 000 total of cash that we can spend on this project 784 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:49,760 on that 152 000 i can tell you right now that uh as of 785 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:54,560 uh about three o'clock this afternoon 129 000 i was sitting in our foundation 786 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,360 bank account we have about twenty three thousand we do still coming in for 787 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,800 people in the committee that we actually know this would be there and then i got 788 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:05,520 a call from the train manufacturer saying i needed another 25 000 789 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,880 uh to go to the next step on the train so 790 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:13,040 i'm now down to 104 000 because we have released twenty five thousand dollars 791 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,040 more than hit for 792 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:27,280 so the fundraising 152 000 so you see the golden ticket says 65 000 793 01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:31,280 we had 12 reserved seats one to train so i would be contributing five thousand 794 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:36,320 dollars you wanted to a1c you could do that somehow we ended up selling 13 795 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:41,120 uh instead of 12. that created a little bit of a problem that somebody uh 796 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,120 was actually going 797 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:52,400 level a thousand dollar level we have 16 donors and we have 15 donors giving us 798 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:55,920 500 or more but what i really want to focus 799 01:11:53,679 --> 01:12:00,880 attention on is that yellow graph that 34 000 doesn't sound like a lot for 800 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:06,159 the citizens but that is nickels and dimes and dollars and five dollars 801 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:10,400 and 100 donations and hundreds of citizens in this community step forward 802 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:14,239 to give towards that trade it's that thirty four thousand dollars it really 803 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:18,640 helps us do a whole lot more than we plan on doing 804 01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:22,320 also let me just go back right i learned two things as well on this 805 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,120 never underestimate the power of a mother on that 5 000 column over there 806 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:34,000 those golden tickets i had a call from the individual uh back in late january 807 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:37,360 he said he wanted to donate five thousand dollars for his business 808 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,880 somebody i did not know they were not on any of our lists to say this is somebody 809 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,400 we should approach but i asked the person 810 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:49,040 well why do you want to do this they said well my mother wrote the train 811 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:53,520 uh during the bull express had one of your cars and she called me up and said 812 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:58,320 you need to contribute to this project uh so we appreciate the uh that little 813 01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:01,679 motherly knowledge there uh community gets some kind it's hard 814 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:05,040 for us to put a value in this but i can tell you right now it is significant as 815 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:08,560 you will see in a moment we have what we call a construction 816 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:13,360 coalition of partners that are donating their time their talents their expertise 817 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:18,239 and their labor for the construction and the improvements 818 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:22,320 what they do significantly magnifies the amount of money we have because if the 819 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:26,880 money we had towards the construction issues primarily for materials not for 820 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:31,840 labor we could do a whole lot more uh i also have a group that uh two 821 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:34,480 individuals contacts and said that what they would like to do is they have the 822 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:38,400 equipment to do it they would like to go to lufkin texas so the train's ready to 823 01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:41,520 pick it up and bring it back here that saves us five thousand dollars because 824 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,800 that's gonna be a five thousand dollar hard cost 825 01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:48,800 a contract transportation company get that trained here so that's a huge 826 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:52,560 savings again that hundred and ten thousand seventh time for the train 827 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,040 here's an additional five thousand that's now freed up with these towards 828 01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:01,360 uh other upgrades let's look at our construction coalition 829 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:04,800 partners uh we were approaching and talking to each of these companies uh 830 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:08,000 individually and they don't know me i know some of 831 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,920 these people they don't necessarily know me i'm not a construction person i don't 832 01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:14,800 run in that circle necessarily but a lot of people said yeah they were 833 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,960 willing to help i was in communication with david perry 834 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:23,199 with the goldsberg building supply and he and i would shake his females about a 835 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,880 week or so before christmas he asked me for a whole lot of details 836 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,199 about what does it cost to be what do you think about the sign and things like 837 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,080 that so i sent him a detailed email and 838 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:36,960 that's six or seven pages of information and 839 01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:41,199 details he was looking for but i said to him i said the number one 840 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:45,040 thing that need is i need somebody who can get all these people potential 841 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:48,480 stakeholders in the room at the same time that we can do that we think we do 842 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:52,320 a lot because talking to everybody individually i was like kind of hurting 843 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:55,920 cats probably the best christmas gift done 844 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,040 yet in a long time at 8 30 in the morning or chris support i got an email 845 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,080 from david saying that he was all in the volunteer 846 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:05,520 building supply that he would take the point he would be in charge he would 847 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:10,480 make that kind of meeting happen that's exactly what we needed to happen 848 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:14,400 in late january he pulled together all kinds of different individuals they had 849 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:17,360 a meeting what came out of that ta loving company said they're going to 850 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,640 step up they are now the construction 851 01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:24,880 supervisors managers planners providing all the labor all the 852 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:29,679 budgeting they're taking control of the product from that aspect that is 853 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:32,560 significant you just can't put a value on that because there's a lot of money 854 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:36,400 to be involved in that jeremy smith jason simple said 855 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,920 he'd take care of all the ground work needed to be done all the grading 856 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:43,199 everything needs to be done to prep for the uh patio 857 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,040 uh wayne electric and senior students and yet we're all in take care of the 858 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:51,520 electrical part uh we've got to rework some defensing 859 01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:54,880 in there signals take care of that joe smith the smith's engineer design 860 01:15:53,360 --> 01:16:00,000 said you think they're going on the architectural drawings 861 01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:03,760 and brian jones was a civil engineering keyboard said yeah you think you're 862 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:07,520 doing one need to know the simple engineering designs in order to get that 863 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:11,040 from having a lead and take it all through the planning commissions and 864 01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:14,320 everything else t11 said hey we'll guide you to the historic commission 865 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:17,920 everything needs to be done this is significant i don't know how to 866 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,280 put a valid figure on there but it's a significant dialogue here what these 867 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:26,159 people got i think somebody in this council asked me a few months ago 868 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:29,679 are you going to use local people i think the answer yes 869 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:33,120 uh it's not that we have to contract the working people they have step forward 870 01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:35,679 and say we want to make a difference in this community 871 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:44,400 so what's going to happen with the cash funds we've donated this 152 000 plus i 872 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:49,199 can tell you right now 100 every penny will be spent 873 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:53,040 on this upgrade project uh none of the donated cash funds are going to be used 874 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,520 to replenish that reserve fund we're going to pull that up for the down 875 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,760 payment none of those funds are being used for 876 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:03,040 any kind of expenses anybody form 877 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,560 awareness not using that for anything like groundbreaking ceremonies anything 878 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:10,560 like that we feel when people say we want to give 879 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:15,040 towards this project new training the upgrade 100 of those dollars in penny 880 01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:18,960 should go towards that project it's exactly what's going on there are no 881 01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:22,640 overhead expenses or anything else 100 of every dollar is going to go right 882 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,040 into this project they could approve for the city 883 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:31,600 where are we now really three phases one's the training too is that brick 884 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:35,520 patty everything to construct three is the uh construction of some 885 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:39,440 kind of platform phase one new trains one of your 886 01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:43,360 railroad companies they can train i received these pictures last week the 887 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:45,760 train is almost finished right now we're kind of waiting for him to get a paint 888 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,199 shot when we started the project we were 889 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:53,760 about a 10 month lead time and todd swann said that uh with the 890 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:57,120 training he said while we gave him the money it would probably be about june 891 01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:01,520 before we'll have a train that was kind of disappointing 892 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:04,480 i was in shock on the wednesday before thanksgiving he called me and said well 893 01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:07,600 you had to schedule because you had another train 894 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:12,320 just like this with these manufacturing so you could do kind of two of them side 895 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:15,440 by side at the same time do some things get some 896 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,880 a little bit of time savings there he said i think the 897 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:22,239 training will be ready for about the first week of february which is right 898 01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:25,840 now we've been in communication but 899 01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:30,480 unfortunately thanks to the new omicron uh version of covet this shot has been 900 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:35,199 armed by that uh and they were in the training city right now there's several 901 01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:38,640 trainees working on the normal custody they're waiting for the painters paint 902 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,560 shop and the paint shop has been shut down for six weeks now 903 01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:46,320 so we're a few weeks behind so we think they're going to be uh in this stage 904 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:49,600 that are probably in the late march we should have taken the trip 905 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:56,640 we're talking about expanding the patio area around the uh around the concession 906 01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:01,920 state the pink area is the existing footprint such a standard train station 907 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,560 everything is gray and blue is existing concrete that the areas are 908 01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:09,520 green are areas we're going to expand into 909 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:13,920 everything right now should be replaced with paper so it's all going to be 910 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:21,199 worked in actually full-size bricks it'll be a significant improvement 911 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:24,880 we have uh 583 individual bricks there uh in 912 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:29,360 into this design we're incorporating lots of literacy elements 913 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:32,320 so we are trying to make this a a come to place 914 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,640 for kids when the train's not running it's still going to come to the 915 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:38,000 educational learning experience a literacy 916 01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:41,280 experience one of our five thousand hour donors 917 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:46,080 were playing at this plan for them to call us back up a couple days later said 918 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:50,960 we already gave you five thousand because we're so all about limits and we 919 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:54,320 wanted to get an additional 2500 to help underwrite the cost of those 920 01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:58,960 wonderful breaks so again people really stepped in and 921 01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:02,400 helped us out in a lot of different ways the reason we want to do this 922 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,080 if the slide will change 923 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,320 is this is what the area looks like around an existing transect it's all 924 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,840 dirt and look it's not very attractive so everything 925 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:20,000 you see there all that gray area is going to be a nice brick patio at some 926 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,080 point that's the significant improvement we think for uh 927 01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:25,760 [Music] from this angle or everything you see 928 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:30,159 it's all going to be great favors that will be a big improvement 929 01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:33,360 uh we just think that's a if we did nothing to get a new tree and 930 01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:38,159 there's a great patio they think that's a big improvement for hunter park 931 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:41,600 uh the other thing we've been working with we've been working on the city of 932 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:45,199 designs and everything else the city and departure recreation department they 933 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:50,639 received a recent grant uh to put in some ada compliant 934 01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:53,360 sidewalks uh uh in the area uh in the park 935 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,159 right now to get to the train station you have to walk the dirt bug those 936 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:59,679 sidewalks any kind of access here 937 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:03,120 so working with the city they've been working on the signs and stuff 938 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,239 because we're doing this and they've decided that if they if the fund's 939 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:11,040 allowed to do everything they want to be great if the funds don't allow them do 940 01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:15,840 everything that they want to do what partisan rex would like to do 941 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:20,000 is a five five foot wide 88 line sidewalk comes with the parking lot of 942 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:23,440 the spring patio and then on the back side and come off that patio and go to 943 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,880 the playing around and go out to the back parking lots it's something we 944 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,159 don't have right now but we think that's going to be a significant improvement as 945 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,440 well and they've given us commission we can get paid all kinds of new things on 946 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,080 their sidewalks as long as we maintain it 947 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,480 so we can make the sidewalk educational as well 948 01:21:37,340 --> 01:21:42,880 [Music] phase three is what are you gonna do as 949 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:45,760 far as construction we'll talk about it at overhang and everything else so we 950 01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:50,800 wanted to cover the area uh this is a picture of 951 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,920 the existing downtown train depot our initial thoughts for the thirty 952 01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:58,159 thousand hours so we tried to build something that kind of looked like this 953 01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,239 that would go over top of the uh training and some of the brick areas 954 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,120 uh now we're looking at something a little 955 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:08,480 bit different uh this is actually a train station at some other part i think 956 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:12,719 it's in wisconsin that's a miniature train just like ours you can see that 957 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,199 that building looks like an old train the way the roof line is and everything 958 01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:19,040 else so as now that we have more money 959 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:23,840 available to us we think we're gonna have probably 70 75 thousand dollars 960 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:28,400 federal refurbished and labor that's basically covered 961 01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:33,520 then we're meeting with the ta loving your design folks and stuff our plan 962 01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:37,360 right now and we're in this design phase is probably take the roof off the 963 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:40,880 concession stand rebuild it with something like this 964 01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:43,760 integrate the architectural features and make it look like a training code and 965 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:48,560 try to do uh a covered uh platform area as well 966 01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:52,400 because we have that much more money available to us 967 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:56,320 that's just a huge improvement from the community 968 01:22:54,320 --> 01:23:00,080 so what's the future of the old trade that questions being asked uh we have 969 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:04,800 decided for a variety of reasons and it's best to sell the train 970 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:09,600 and the reason of that is it's still fully functioning operational we have 971 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:12,480 hate to have teared apart they've done it 972 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:17,120 to do that and there are several places that would love to have this train 973 01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:22,159 we think we have set uh based on the forms of the virtual rim this is train 974 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:26,320 number 688 it's the 188 train of these ever built up about 250. 975 01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:30,239 we think the city of goldsburg or this trade has set an operational record for 976 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:35,199 these types of trades it has been a continuous service for 68 years it has 977 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:39,120 never missed a year there are older trains out there but most of these 978 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:42,800 operations have multiple trades they'll take a train out of service for a few 979 01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:46,320 years and rebuild it or fix it up and then put it back in the service so we 980 01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:50,239 think based on the feedback we've gotten from the museum and everything else this 981 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:53,920 train is probably set a record we'd like to see it and continue to set that 982 01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:56,719 regular operating somewhere else uh 983 01:23:54,880 --> 01:24:00,239 currently it's being sold at surplus equipment uh by the city which is what 984 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,400 it has to be done it's the sort of gov deals 985 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:08,960 site uh the minimum bid for that is 20 000 so 986 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,239 that sale will close next week 2016. but here's the thing i'm going to do 987 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:17,199 instead of that money that we get from the proceeds from there we're not going 988 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,199 to put it back to the training 989 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,380 [Music] 990 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,800 we don't need a fifty thousand dollar reserve fund right now because we have a 991 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,960 new trade you don't expect the huge expenses if we can get back to that uh 992 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:36,320 20 000 plus uh they were in a pretty good shape in 993 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:41,040 case something was wrong with the tracks very big expenses we have the reserve 994 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:45,679 fund in place and then lastly what's ahead for all 995 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:49,199 this uh well we're in the design phase right now in february and march we'll be 996 01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:53,520 coming back to you here sometime in the future for the planning efficient for us 997 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:57,440 to hear design ideas we have uh we expect delivery to trade sometime 998 01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:01,440 in the late march the first part of april 999 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:04,400 in march and april we expect the implementation 1000 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,000 of that brick patio that we should put that in place 1001 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,199 and probably because we've expanded what we want to do 1002 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,480 construction-wise maybe this summer before we had the platform 1003 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:18,159 replaced the key thing is we feel since the 1004 01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:22,159 donors have given us money uh in order to 1005 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:25,520 get these bricks in order to make this happen we feel it's absolutely critical 1006 01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:30,639 if you don't open the tray and start running your train until that patio in 1007 01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:34,880 place it has all those bricks there that uh that they paid for to make that so 1008 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:38,719 we've got some pressure ones to get that patio part done and we want to do all 1009 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,320 that together we can wait a little bit longer on the other construction in the 1010 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,520 summer things really slow down as it's too hot 1011 01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:48,960 that's one of the reasons why we want to build a covered area kind of 1012 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:52,480 continue to operate so we feel that once we get into it that 1013 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:56,159 we should be able to put ourselves in position if we need to stop running for 1014 01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:59,280 two or three weeks to get the construction done or been postponed 1015 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,199 until fall we're very comfortable with that 1016 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,880 uh and then we just want to thank everybody i want to thank the community 1017 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:09,679 that's out there and all the supporters because this is not something that wants 1018 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,480 something for the city this is being done by the 1019 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:16,480 community uh for the city of goldsboro because 1020 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:21,040 they feel that this is an important thing and i kind of want to thank you 1021 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:25,199 for watching for 67 years have been donating volunteering their 1022 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:28,639 time to get that training running and i appreciate all those that have come 1023 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:32,800 before me for decades to make that happen 1024 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,800 so thank you 1025 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:39,679 any questions good job thank you thank you 1026 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:45,440 all right one last thing while i'm here today goldberg 2022.com 1027 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:49,760 we have semi officially closed out our fundraising campaign however for 1028 01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:53,440 some reason anybody wants to continue to donate 1029 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:57,199 we are at that limit let's say about the deadline i'm saying tonight or tomorrow 1030 01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,719 the only reason we still you still have the opportunity to donate 1031 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:05,280 and get a break is because we're waiting on some of the 1032 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:08,719 finalization of the graphics part of the print company 1033 01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:12,639 the important breaks of things that we have uh integrated that we use the 1034 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:17,280 corporate logos where the graphics department brick 1035 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:20,239 company is finalizing that because quite finalized that yet 1036 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,840 but that could happen we're hoping to happen today or they happen tomorrow as 1037 01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,880 soon as that happens then we're done so if you haven't had the opportunity you 1038 01:27:25,679 --> 01:27:31,760 still have the opportunity to get it right probably by about noon tomorrow so 1039 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:34,639 thank you any other questions or anything about this 1040 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,679 mr craig i 1041 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:42,239 i know you're very passionate about this and i've seen you 1042 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:48,800 up here i've seen you out of the park and your wife as well 1043 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:54,880 and uh i can't say enough about your dedication to this project 1044 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:58,800 you've been out there in rain cold uh hot uh 1045 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:02,400 heat and so forth and there's also other members of this 1046 01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:05,920 organization that are also very dedicated 1047 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,520 this is going to be a great addition to the park 1048 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:14,000 and it's going to be enjoyed this new one's going to be enjoyed like the open 1049 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:19,120 has been george for generations as well so i commend you and uh 1050 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:23,679 your wife and all the other members and i i guess uh 1051 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:27,040 harsh best is probably uh we were long-time conductors 1052 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,080 yes yeah he's been a member of our club i 1053 01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:34,159 think since i would say in 1977 they performed then 1054 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:40,000 so he's probably driven that train more than anybody else and he proved his life 1055 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:43,000 he made the he drove the last round or something 1056 01:28:46,990 --> 01:28:52,560 [Music] because we just knew that any day 1057 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,280 something could go wrong with this old train 1058 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,800 and it's important community we'd be out of business for once on there and we 1059 01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:03,600 just felt that the best way to keep going for another 50 60 70 years at the 1060 01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:06,560 same time in the effort to try to train there so 1061 01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:10,639 uh teaming forward and what part of those work and one 1062 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:13,840 other thing i want to mention uh i think it's pretty clear 1063 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,480 but for those that don't know there are no paid 1064 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:20,560 uh staff 1065 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:25,199 of this uh project uh in terms of running the train it's all volunteer am 1066 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:29,840 i correct it is hundreds of volunteers uh none of us have ever gotten paid uh 1067 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:35,120 it's not an item that's even a significant budget item for the city 1068 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:39,679 because we take that burden as well uh i want us as an exchange for that you 1069 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:43,920 allow us to operate it allows us to keep the funds from being raised at the train 1070 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:47,679 but since none of them has ever gotten paid i'd like to talk about 1071 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:51,120 100 percent of the money we make of the trade we put it right back in the 1072 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,239 community of charities scholarships 1073 01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:58,000 supporting various types of programs things like that so we don't keep any of 1074 01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:03,199 that money from the quantum scopes on anything goes into that recession stand 1075 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:06,960 uh for training sales concessions 107 right back in the 1076 01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:16,560 and things like that so well again uh thank you uh for the 1077 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:19,920 presentation and thank you so much for you and your wife and all the other 1078 01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,840 members of that team that makes this happen thank you for voting for many 1079 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:26,000 more years thank you thank you sir thank you 1080 01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:32,320 okay this time we'll 1081 01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:36,880 go to the public comment period and uh 1082 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:41,600 citizens that are in the audience that uh want to come up and speak uh please 1083 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:49,159 do so and you have three minutes to uh speak please announce your name 1084 01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,159 when you come to the podium 1085 01:30:54,960 --> 01:31:01,199 i'm here to make a request to the council 1086 01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:07,840 in lieu of transparency that you bring back your finance director to recap the 1087 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:13,440 um discussion on the audit tonight because unfortunately myself along with 1088 01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:16,719 a lot of other schools watching online as soon as councilwoman matthews asked 1089 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,719 some really important questions and sound went off and i believe 1090 01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:25,760 councilwoman jones also asked the question but it didn't come in 1091 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:30,719 until after um miss quinn's presentation was over and it got jumbled with some 1092 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:34,560 current conversation but i know 1093 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:39,440 it's a serious issue and like i said in rule of transparency um i believe the 1094 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:44,239 citizens of both world want to know the financial health of our city so um maybe 1095 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:48,159 councilman matthews and jones in your indie comment you can recap the 1096 01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:51,199 questions that you asked and if you've got a response to them 1097 01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:54,320 thank you nope i think miss gwen is in the 1098 01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:58,639 audience or maybe like next council meetings she 1099 01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:02,639 could come up and you know just maybe recap and give it 1100 01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:07,440 again i think it's important was it the um audit discussion or was it 1101 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:10,880 the discussion about the 8.8 million dollars that they were trying to 1102 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:15,920 reallocate i believe you said i need you to clarify i think my city manager was 1103 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,880 explaining these facts and then that piece of the conversation we just 1104 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,719 couldn't hear it was that one 1105 01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:25,679 yes so if you could recap it i think you know a lot of people were really 1106 01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:30,239 interested in what was being said at that point mr city manager when you give 1107 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:35,040 your report do you mind recapping that piece about the 8.8 1108 01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:41,840 when you give your report sure okay thank you 1109 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:41,840 okay is there someone else 1110 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:54,480 i too was at home watching youtube because 1111 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:58,800 the video feed on facebook wasn't happening it wasn't working 1112 01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:02,080 but several times during the time when i was watching youtube 1113 01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:07,560 it went sound i could see you moving 1114 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,560 but there were no words 1115 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:14,560 the reason why i'm here is not simply 1116 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:18,800 because i want you to do so 1117 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:23,600 i'm demanding that you do the right thing 1118 01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:27,120 you see you can't have personal conversations about city 1119 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:31,280 business it's supposed to be held 1120 01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:37,760 in a public forum so that the public can have access to it 1121 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:42,480 well with today's technology with virtual meetings 1122 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:46,639 youtube and the searchlight there is no reason 1123 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:51,679 why we can't do this or why the city of goldsberg can't do this in fact 1124 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:57,440 i know for a fact i know for a fact that the city manager 1125 01:33:54,639 --> 01:34:01,520 has been notified about this issue some weeks ago 1126 01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:07,199 again it appears to me that there's more of 1127 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,199 these this game plan 1128 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,639 and we're tired you know 1129 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:19,520 when you go for a championship you put your best team 1130 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:22,800 on the floor that's what we need 1131 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:28,159 a good team we need ball players 1132 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:33,600 we don't need third street players okay 1133 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,600 and on another note 1134 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,199 i was told that um 1135 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:44,719 i'll just be direct that councilman gaylon was appointed to 1136 01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:49,280 shut me down let me be direct i feel no man 1137 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:57,679 let me be direct i have took the oath to my higher power 1138 01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:02,080 that i will take it all the way and that means i'm gonna tell the truth 1139 01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:08,320 and just because i don't give it to you like you want it why don't chucking job 1140 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:12,560 that's up to you as long as i don't work any longer 1141 01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,560 that's on god 1142 01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:19,679 councilman edcock i can recall 1143 01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:23,760 you saying to councilwoman howard john you accused her 1144 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:28,320 that she was making a political choice when she didn't vote to raise the 1145 01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:31,679 utility bill 1146 01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:36,560 but yet when you interview 1147 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:41,040 councilman gala you asked him did he have any problem 1148 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:45,920 disagreeing with me well you have obviously a problem with disagreeing 1149 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:51,840 with councilwoman walker jones and you pretty much articulated that 1150 01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:54,960 when i watch these city council meetings from from at 1151 01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:57,840 home i'm gathering data 1152 01:35:56,610 --> 01:36:03,119 [Music] and i think you all know that i've sent 1153 01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,119 you an analysis 1154 01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:08,119 okay you're starting your time thanks sir 1155 01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,320 uh 1156 01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:34,880 my name is james skane [Music] 1157 01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:38,960 and i want to thank you mayor david hamm and council members for giving me this 1158 01:36:37,119 --> 01:36:44,320 time speech i would like to give thanks to the 1159 01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:46,800 public workers who are essential to our city 1160 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,239 that improve all of our lives 1161 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:58,960 and this is the letter and i will also write for the 1162 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:02,320 senate judge to make sure that the public will talk to this thing 1163 01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:10,719 and this uh okay janice kane greeting of the city of 1164 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:15,119 goldsberg it has been necessary for me to write right this level to the city of 1165 01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:20,480 goldsboro specifically to the department of code enforcement and public works 1166 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:26,639 the community of king draft in goldsboro north carolina send a heartfelt thanks 1167 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:31,600 out to all involved for four years i have been calling the city for a system 1168 01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:35,440 concerning the wooded area behind my house 1169 01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:39,600 this winter area poses a very dangerous and unsafe environment for families that 1170 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:44,800 live in this area each year the cause fail on deaf ears 1171 01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:51,040 with no help or relief due to high strawberry bushes trees this 1172 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:56,159 area became a solid safe haven for all roads and insects passing large field 1173 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:59,520 wrecks knives squirrels rabbits and snakes and lords 1174 01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:05,840 whoever has that phone i want to cut it off or leave this council's chambers 1175 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:08,560 right now this is the third time i've heard this phone 1176 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,960 don't bring it back in here turn it on sir 1177 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:20,880 do you need help um silence it bro maybe i'll get it i'll do it we're gonna 1178 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:24,239 need to just kick him out if he needs help trying to silence his phone 1179 01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:33,840 stop the clock yeah reset the clock please 1180 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:40,320 sorry miss fiends okay a large rat dead into my home 1181 01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:43,600 squirrels destroyed my yard boy and my neighbor born and i grasped in the 1182 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:48,800 backyard we spent a great deal of our time raking 1183 01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:53,199 seasonal falling leaves from the trees or paying someone to do it an elderly 1184 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:58,159 neighbor fell and injured herself trying to get away from the snake that got into 1185 01:38:55,679 --> 01:39:04,159 her shed they crawled the windows and lies in our yard are on the porch these 1186 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:10,239 animals are poisonous and carry viruses and diseases that could pose an unwanted 1187 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:15,920 medical situation we are taxpayers and our home supposed to be a safe haven not 1188 01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:21,600 for the uninvited or unwanted robots this became a fourth year mission for me 1189 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:26,480 because of the silliness of the issues and concerns i had no intention of 1190 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:31,040 giving up our neighborhood became more toxic after the center goals were 1191 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:35,920 cleaned up on one side of the bench cutting our struggle and tree which left 1192 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:41,679 the road of no choice but to move on the other side the more familiar the city 1193 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:48,639 manager that i came in contact with with did come to assess the issues 1194 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:52,400 they acknowledged that there was a problem and they hoped to come up with a 1195 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:57,280 solution but they never that never happened however one day i called the 1196 01:39:55,119 --> 01:40:02,159 call enforcement office at the center goldsboro and reached miss stephanie 1197 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:07,440 booker and shared with her the the community issues they consider of four 1198 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:12,000 years mr allen weeks and miss booker came out to assess the area after 1199 01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:16,560 assessing the area before the month was out they contacted the right people and 1200 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:24,080 public works to take care of the problem as of november 1st 20th 21st 1201 01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:28,480 special thanks to stephanie booker alan weeks and his team 1202 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:34,480 aaron hope said smith and christian caleb those were the young men who came 1203 01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:41,119 out and cleared the area they need to be given credit and recognized for making 1204 01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:45,600 our community and home a safer place and i'll read this request 1205 01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:50,400 okay the last time i stood before the council i was told by some that they 1206 01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:55,040 were looking to a way to have senior citizens with that water bill i was 1207 01:40:52,960 --> 01:41:00,320 under the assumption that the council member was going to initiate a program 1208 01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:06,800 of their own the fire that was inserted with the water bill january 2022 the 1209 01:41:03,719 --> 01:41:11,040 lihp low-income household water assistance program does not benefit all 1210 01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:16,239 citizens to be ethical for this program the 1211 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:21,119 household must have an income equal to a less than 50 of the federal property 1212 01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:26,239 level this program does not address the concerns that was brought up before the 1213 01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:31,760 council many of our elderly were not qualified they will be eliminated i'm 1214 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:36,400 requesting that the council member continued looking to a better way to 1215 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:43,280 assist the elderly and plan their water bill we have many senior citizens that 1216 01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:48,610 are disabled can not i do not know how to voice their concerns we are their 1217 01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:53,119 votes thank you thank you [Music] 1218 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:58,080 leave that with the uh manager miss gaines you're going to give that to 1219 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,080 the motivator with the clerk oh yeah 1220 01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:14,679 for you 1221 01:42:20,530 --> 01:42:23,620 [Music] 1222 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,560 is 1223 01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,760 um 1224 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:55,560 thank you man thank you okay we have anyone else to speak 1225 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,239 my name is doc first i'd like to apologize for 1226 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:11,840 my cell phone electronic challenge 1227 01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,280 um 1228 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:20,480 i have a bad habit that i 1229 01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:23,480 guess and i'd like to sorry 1230 01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,199 thank you sir 1231 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,119 the other one you gave me 1232 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,880 no thanks excuse me 1233 01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:40,239 it was nothing personal 1234 01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,080 i know you've been here many times 1235 01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,760 we know you're offended 1236 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,400 thank you so much 1237 01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:02,320 due respect um what i really like to talk 1238 01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:05,320 about much 1239 01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:20,960 and i'm 1240 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:31,289 um [Music] 1241 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:49,040 have a very serious problem you know there 1242 01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:58,449 [Music] 1243 01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:12,480 did he go to the city manager in the clerk and ask for 1244 01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:15,440 time to make a presentation at one of our regular meetings 1245 01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:18,480 sure sir yes sir 1246 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:26,679 [Music] anyone else like to speak 1247 01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:39,590 [Music] 1248 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:54,349 they [Music] 1249 01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:02,800 opponents check to see if they have covets or whatnot and 1250 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:06,639 those who never try to create some safety 1251 01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:11,040 and i said and the next thing is that i want to 1252 01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:15,360 mention this and asked for the um 1253 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:18,560 of everybody but not real starting up fundraising campaign 1254 01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:23,360 which is actually it was from an idea that's 1255 01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:27,119 going to be one of our programs before the people that we're working 1256 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:38,560 for the homes and what that is is where we're gonna go around and we're gonna 1257 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:44,159 solicit uh donations of scrap metal jump out of 1258 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:47,520 what may happen and we're going to take it to our places we can 1259 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:50,320 break them down and recycle them and then we'll 1260 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:55,360 uh sell them to make revenue and everything for 1261 01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:58,880 the organization and um the restoration of hope village 1262 01:46:56,719 --> 01:47:04,400 so we are coming for you all this secret yeah 1263 01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:08,639 it could pass word out and you know just think of this because i'm sure 1264 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:15,360 they a strap right here that will get collected and used to 1265 01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:19,280 uh have donated to us we can earn some things and just like say that 1266 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:22,159 it gives the guys stuff that we're working with training 1267 01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,029 [Music] 1268 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:41,760 i feel like it creates harmony and it also allows us to 1269 01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,760 make money 1270 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,400 it became the city 1271 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:09,760 give me your information so somebody at home wants to have some metal or 1272 01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:13,520 something picked up i'm in the process of getting my 1273 01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:16,639 garage renovated i've got a 10 roof so if you were to give your 1274 01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:20,000 phone number if you didn't mind or your contact information 1275 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:23,199 right now so anybody that may want to donate will 1276 01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:27,040 call you or text you because i know of a lot of elderly people that may have 1277 01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:30,639 metal uh you know 1278 01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:34,480 soda cans or anything that anything any any dollar amount oh so if 1279 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:39,119 you don't mind they can contact us uh call me at 1280 01:48:41,630 --> 01:48:44,760 [Music] 1281 01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:49,119 dot 919-750-4665 gmail.com 1282 01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:53,760 or on facebook 1283 01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:57,600 if you uh we'll come back we're gonna go back and pick it up if you want but if 1284 01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:01,320 you'd like to you can be dropped off at our place 117 1285 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,749 [Music] 1286 01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:26,080 mr rice give that information to our clerk over here so she can have it as a 1287 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:26,080 if anyone calls or meet us we need yes 1288 01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,560 which is 1289 01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:38,800 anyone else that would like to speak anyone else would like to speak if so 1290 01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:38,800 come forward 1291 01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:46,480 here's no one else wishes to speak so we'll 1292 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:51,520 move to the next item um 1293 01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:51,520 city manager's report 1294 01:49:51,599 --> 01:49:56,960 consent agenda items be back to the consent agenda i'm sorry we got to hear 1295 01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:59,920 them myself item c and d are presented for council approval 1296 01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:05,760 so we've heard uh the 1297 01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:10,480 special use permits explained earlier 1298 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:15,119 there's a motion to approve items uh c and d on the consideration 1299 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,920 so move so 1300 01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:23,679 now for a second all in favor excuse me 1301 01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:23,679 make the wrong call here 1302 01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:31,920 mayor pro tempo yes councilwoman jones yeah councilman broadway yes 1303 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:37,840 councilwoman matthews yes councilman that gayler yes councilman again yes 1304 01:50:35,599 --> 01:50:42,000 okay we got a consensus approval on the consent of gender items 1305 01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:45,360 so now we'll move to the city manager's report 1306 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:50,320 all right sir i'll apologize for uh losing the facebook and youtube feeds so 1307 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:55,760 i believe he was asked to go through new business item b the arpa state and local 1308 01:50:52,880 --> 01:51:00,960 fiscal recovery funds update i think that's where it was lost 1309 01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:05,360 so to reiterate the american rescue plan act coronavirus state and local fiscal 1310 01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:10,719 recovery funds final guidance background information in march 2021 the 1311 01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:13,920 american rescue plan act established the coronavirus state and local fiscal 1312 01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:17,440 recovery funds to provide state local and tribal 1313 01:51:15,599 --> 01:51:23,040 governments with the resources needed to respond to the pandemic and its effects 1314 01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:27,280 on may 10 2021 the u.s department of treasury issued the interim final rule 1315 01:51:25,599 --> 01:51:33,360 implementing the state local fiscal recovery fund program 1316 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:37,599 on may 17 2021 the city council of the city of goldsboro accepted eight million 1317 01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:41,360 eight hundred and thirteen thousand five hundred and fourteen dollars in our 1318 01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:47,840 grant funds that may be obligated through december 31st 2024 1319 01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:52,000 on june 21st 2021 the city council adopted the grant project fund for the 1320 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,920 ark special revenue fund with expenditures of one million six hundred 1321 01:51:54,159 --> 01:52:00,560 and sixty four thousand five hundred dollars for lost public sector revenue 1322 01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:05,679 and two million five hundred and fifty eight thousand hundred 994 dollars for 1323 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:12,320 water sewer and broadband infrastructure as identified in the fy 2122 budget 1324 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:16,639 and four million five hundred and ninety thousand twenty dollars was set aside 1325 01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:21,520 for contingency on january 6 2022 the u.s treasury 1326 01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:25,679 issued the final rule implementing the arpa statutory provisions on eligible 1327 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:30,159 and ineligible uses of the slfrf funding which provides 1328 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:34,719 broader flexibility and greater simplicity in the program 1329 01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:38,800 one of the most significant changes in the final rule is a standard allowance 1330 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:43,280 for revenue loss of up to 10 million dollars not to exceed the award amount 1331 01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:48,480 for each recipient for the provision of government services 1332 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:52,080 given this flexibility staff recommend the full award of eight 1333 01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:56,239 million eight hundred thirteen thousand five hundred and fourteen be applied to 1334 01:52:54,239 --> 01:53:01,280 lost public sector revenue to fund general government services 1335 01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:05,280 primarily salary and benefits the allowable expenditures would include 1336 01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:09,360 any payroll for a legally authorized function of the government such as 1337 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:13,119 public safety environmental health recreation administration and public 1338 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:16,639 utilities this will simplify the compliance 1339 01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:21,360 requirements under uniform guidance and replace tax and utility revenue that can 1340 01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:25,520 then fund previously agreed water and sewer infrastructure and other 1341 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:29,599 expenditures as determined by council under north carolina law 1342 01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:33,599 the council approves this change the finance director will bring a project 1343 01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:38,560 budget amendment to council at the next meeting to amend the grant project 1344 01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:42,320 related to the slfrf award council then determined that they wanted 1345 01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:46,080 more information and they would wait until the council retreat 1346 01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:50,920 to ask additional questions or get additional information 1347 01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:50,920 on this 1348 01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:11,199 it's not like is closed captioning the option for the 1349 01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:15,760 council for for the words to actually go across 1350 01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:19,199 do we have that technology it is we do have so 1351 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:22,960 the feed has to go through for they all wanted to be able to even use 1352 01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:35,679 is going to take my audio which will capture the whole meeting and 1353 01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:38,800 put it up tomorrow so he'll work with some magic and make sure that 1354 01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:42,880 every everything will be captured tonight it'll be back up tomorrow 1355 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:45,760 we'll be brandon with the video he should be able to do that but regardless 1356 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:51,000 we'll at least have we'll have some way for everybody to be able to hear 1357 01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:51,000 everything okay 1358 01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:03,440 yes sir and this item will be back in the agenda 1359 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:06,480 packet as well okay 1360 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:10,960 do you have other comments yes i do i would like to introduce the 1361 01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:15,599 temporary assistant city manager mr hugh rowe o'donnell 1362 01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:19,360 stand up we're very fortunate to have rowe here 1363 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:23,920 for the next two months he basically brings a wealth of experience he was the 1364 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:29,040 assistant city manager and an interim city manager for the town of wake forest 1365 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:33,679 he saw excessive growth in that uh town from i believe nine thousand over forty 1366 01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:37,840 thousand correct row uh row was also public utilities director 1367 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:40,800 there and he was the city engineer for the city of rocky mount 1368 01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:43,840 um so 1369 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:49,040 we're very fortunate to have rowe here advising the staff and myself and he 1370 01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:52,719 will be helping us prepare for the budget cycle and then he has a plane 1371 01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:56,080 ticket back to ireland at the end of march so we won't have them beyond that 1372 01:55:54,639 --> 01:56:00,239 time period so we have them for two months but 1373 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:04,639 joe originally is uh from ireland came over to the states i think in 79 1374 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,960 directly and then got your citizenship and uh i've been doing great things ever 1375 01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:11,159 since thank you for joining our team 1376 01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:31,280 also mentioned the retreat again has been rescheduled from the 22nd and 23rd 1377 01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:35,119 to the 21st and 22nd at the goldsboro event center working on finalizing the 1378 01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:39,520 agenda for that uh also mentioned for the public out 1379 01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:43,840 there that the parks and rec youth program for the spring is 1380 01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:51,360 open for registration so yes so the soccer softball baseball 1381 01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:55,440 t-ball for ages three through 14. and the senior games 1382 01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:58,719 registration is also available through the first of march for tennis pickleball 1383 01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:01,920 ping pong etc that's all i have sir thank you 1384 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,320 because the uh 1385 01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:13,840 we did not and we when we did the approval of the 1386 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:18,239 agenda did uh 1387 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:22,400 you had a closed session you did sir 1388 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:27,119 i did yes you mentioned it yes all right 1389 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:31,520 well before we go there uh let's go around the table here and 1390 01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:38,270 uh have council comments do the 1391 01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:41,329 we'll start with you counselor [Music] 1392 01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:52,040 um 1393 01:57:54,560 --> 01:58:01,760 i have the proclamation uh resonating uh 1394 01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:05,760 this month as black national black history month black history month 1395 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:11,599 proclamation whereas the 2022 theme for national 1396 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:14,880 black history month is black history and wellness 1397 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:18,159 recognizing black scholars and practitioners of western and alternative 1398 01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:23,199 medicine past and present who have made advances 1399 01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:29,040 in medical fields and care daily for the bodies minds and emotional stat states 1400 01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:32,719 of people of their communities and whereas during black history month 1401 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:37,760 we celebrate the many achievements and contributions made by african americans 1402 01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:41,280 to our medical economic cultural spirit and political development 1403 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:46,880 and whereas dr carter g woodson known as the father of 1404 01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:51,840 black's history initiated negro history week in february 1926 and for 1405 01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:56,320 many years the second week of february chosen to 1406 01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:59,520 coincide with the birthdays of frederick douglass 1407 01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:03,679 and abraham lincoln was celebrated by african-americans in 1408 01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:08,239 the united states and whereas in 1976 1409 01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:12,719 negro history week was expanded and became established 1410 01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:17,840 as black history month it is now celebrated all over north 1411 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:21,599 america and whereas black history month is a time for all americans to remember 1412 01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:25,679 the stories and teachings of those who helped build our nation 1413 01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:29,280 advance the cause of civil rights and strengthen the families and 1414 01:59:27,599 --> 01:59:33,199 communities and whereas african-americans have made 1415 01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:39,520 significant contributions as leaders at the highest levels of the medicine 1416 01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:44,960 military business education law government the arts sports and religion 1417 01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:48,159 and whereas the city of gold's worst commission on community relations and 1418 01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:51,520 development has committed to working within 1419 01:59:49,199 --> 01:59:56,239 all layers of the community to promote understanding enhanced knowledge and 1420 01:59:54,320 --> 02:00:01,840 seek opportunity for change in the face of this community 1421 01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:05,599 now therefore i david hamm mayor city the city of goldsboro north carolina 1422 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:10,800 hereby proclaim the month of february 2022 as black history month and the city 1423 02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:14,480 of goldsboro encouraged all citizens to observe this month 1424 02:00:12,639 --> 02:00:18,320 by participating and supporting all festivities celebrating the proud 1425 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:22,880 heritage of african-americans and witnesses therefore 1426 02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:29,520 i have been to this set my hand and the fix to seal the city of goldberg north 1427 02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:29,520 carolina on the 7th of february 2022. 1428 02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:45,040 at this time then go around and 1429 02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:47,679 ask comments and i was told to counsel the performance 1430 02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:50,960 okay i did have a question for the city 1431 02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:55,920 manager but in lower time um 1432 02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:58,560 and i know it is going to require some um 1433 02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:04,400 discussion um it's regarding the repaying of 38 1434 02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:09,000 528 and 64 cents 1435 02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:18,159 back to the annual community assessment paper 1436 02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:22,719 2020 paper and i know that that's going to require some 1437 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:28,880 some discussion what i wanted to know is um 1438 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:32,880 this is that um those bureau must spend an additional 31 1439 02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:37,920 000 funds before 1440 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:42,560 may the 20th 22 and i want to know where we are with that and 1441 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:46,560 why are we paying back this money did we not use it could 1442 02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:50,480 we not find um 1443 02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:55,440 housing could we not find uh people that needed this money that 1444 02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:58,320 needed this assistance i'll have the community relations and 1445 02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:01,360 development director update you on that information you could 1446 02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:04,719 do it at the retreat or the next council meeting but the repayment of those funds 1447 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:11,760 was essentially an administrative error double booking 1448 02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:15,040 those funds so they could pay for our employees salaries to my knowledge and 1449 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:18,080 then the other spending we'd have to get you 1450 02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:21,360 an update on where where they're at for that 1451 02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:24,639 okay thank you um 1452 02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:30,000 i would like to thank the mayor for the proclamation of black history month 1453 02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:34,639 i personally think that black history is every month 1454 02:02:31,159 --> 02:02:39,119 365 days of the year but i really do appreciate it and thank you 1455 02:02:36,719 --> 02:02:43,520 i would also like to ask 1456 02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:48,880 um individuals to please check out the um 1457 02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:56,320 the library and the wayne county museum who has have wonderful exhibits of the 1458 02:02:52,960 --> 02:03:01,599 accomplishments and the presence of the african-american indus and the culture 1459 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:04,560 as well as in the city there's another thing that i would like 1460 02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:10,360 to share when we're talking about elderly 1461 02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:17,280 there is a general statute 105 2771 and it's for the elderly disabled 1462 02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:22,880 homestead exclusion and um it helps with the 1463 02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:31,760 paying of property tax which i need to pay mine for mainly in the paper but 1464 02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:34,880 um it helps with um homeowners 65 and older 1465 02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:40,560 uh if you qualify i i have a 84 year assistant and and she 1466 02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:46,000 did qualify so she you know doesn't have to pay um taxes 1467 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:49,840 now so i did want uh individuals to know that that is out there 1468 02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:57,560 um go to the tax office and see if you qualify 1469 02:03:54,079 --> 02:03:57,560 and that's it 1470 02:03:57,599 --> 02:04:05,040 i'd like to uh thank chip and becky craig and all the quantums who 1471 02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:09,520 over these years and all the guys that have driven the train and all the work 1472 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:15,280 you've done so thank you very much and i think it's a wonderful project thank you 1473 02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:18,159 that's all i have i just want to encourage everyone to 1474 02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:22,320 take the time to educate yourselves especially during this designated month 1475 02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:26,400 of black history to understand the impact as well as the contributions the 1476 02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:29,840 african americans have made not only in this country but around the world one of 1477 02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:32,800 my students who goes for high school as a member of the interact club is working 1478 02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:37,440 on a proposal to have a weekend title black excellence 1479 02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:41,440 which will be similar to a homecoming setting um we whereas every day would 1480 02:04:40,079 --> 02:04:44,800 highlight different aspects of the african-american experience and i just 1481 02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:50,599 want to give a special shout out to my third block student ms heinz for your 1482 02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:50,599 visions that's all i have 1483 02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:57,360 sure for those of you that could hear earlier 1484 02:04:55,040 --> 02:05:00,560 uh a question was asked about why it was that that i was appointed to 1485 02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:06,159 counsel and i want to refer back to the the 1486 02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:09,679 presentation that i gave whenever i was given the opportunity to speak to 1487 02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:12,560 council about why i believed that i was a good fit at that time 1488 02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:17,440 and i believe that the position of goldsboro 1489 02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:20,880 economically speaking in the region and preparing for the growth of the region 1490 02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:24,960 over the next decade and decade and a half and beyond 1491 02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:28,719 is is what we should be focused on that is 1492 02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:32,880 what i focused on when i was presenting to council and not tied to any one 1493 02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:37,679 individual or any group of individuals it's tied to 1494 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:42,639 the best way to position this city as we look towards the future and how it 1495 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,760 will interact with the region around it so to that point tonight we saw an 1496 02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:51,360 amazing opportunity from our local quantities chip and becky craig who have 1497 02:05:50,079 --> 02:05:55,119 built incredible careers here in goldsboro but also reinforced this club 1498 02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:59,440 in goldsboro to do something 1499 02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:03,040 that keeps the city on the map and keeps it humble within itself something as 1500 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:07,040 simple as a train where that anyone can go and ride with 1501 02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:10,639 their with their father with their mother with their grands with their 1502 02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:17,199 grandparent and then they're rebuilding this thing and look at the list of 1503 02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:23,199 donors 34 000 dollars coming from just individual folks that's the 100 cap 1504 02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:27,520 so people donate up to 100 000 or below 34 000 this is the second highest 1505 02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:31,599 category that was in front of them this is a generous city 1506 02:06:29,199 --> 02:06:34,960 we should be grateful for this city and 1507 02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:38,800 then they're using local businesses not because we told them you have to but 1508 02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:43,280 because they're the ones that stepped up to the plate anyway 1509 02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:47,119 these are people who put in dollars 1510 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:50,960 and then put in their own sweat equity as well to make goals for as strong as 1511 02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:54,960 it possibly can be i just want to say thank you they're one example there are 1512 02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:58,880 countless other organizations that do the same thing in spirit and act 1513 02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:03,520 and i just want to say thank you to all of you for making goldsboro the place 1514 02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:07,239 that it is and putting us on a path to be an even better place 1515 02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:26,360 i carried my grandson 1516 02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:33,679 so it is a family tradition uh and the second thing is 1517 02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:37,920 here's the month of january i've got more phone calls 1518 02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:41,119 about leaves and einstein not being picked up 1519 02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:46,719 over five weeks period don't blame the public works department 1520 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:51,760 their equipment was in horrible horrible condition during that month 1521 02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:55,840 and they got way behind and they started working every day to the week and some 1522 02:07:54,000 --> 02:08:00,239 of them work on the mediums so don't blame them 1523 02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:02,719 it's been picked up now and hopefully we can get back on schedule 1524 02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:07,280 but i just want you to know that 1525 02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:12,560 i did receive your phone calls and i did make calls to the public works 1526 02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:15,679 and they explained to me and i accepted it and i'm sure it's true 1527 02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:20,800 so thank you thank you 1528 02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,800 i want to say that 1529 02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:28,239 i often uh approach people uh 1530 02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:32,560 and that i have a reason to uh or are in close proximity 1531 02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:37,280 to and ask them where these residents have 1532 02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:40,320 goals for and if they say they are i ask them 1533 02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:45,520 you know how they like the city any issues etc 1534 02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:50,639 etc uh and i get some good remarks i get uh 1535 02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:54,880 comments i get uh recommendations suggested etc 1536 02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:58,239 uh one of the things i particularly like uh 1537 02:08:55,760 --> 02:09:03,679 finding out or talking with are people who have recently come to goldsboro 1538 02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:08,480 i had that opportunity the other day when i was waiting in the gas line 1539 02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:13,520 and the gentleman that was working there at the uh 1540 02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:19,199 there were just probably 15 cars waiting to get fuel and he was hustling around 1541 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:22,360 trying to keep or uh people moving and so forth that 1542 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:26,880 kepper's uh a little bit uh flared from time to time 1543 02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:33,599 and so i i stepped out of the car and 1544 02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:37,040 asked him uh you know or asked him his name and and 1545 02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:40,800 complimented him on how the job he was doing 1546 02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:44,560 i also asked him if he was a resident goldsberg he said he had just moved here 1547 02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:48,639 six months before and this is last week by the way 1548 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:52,400 and i said so why did you come to goldsboro he said 1549 02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:58,320 well my son's out uh signed out of seymour johnson 1550 02:09:54,719 --> 02:10:02,639 and i moved down here from pennsylvania and 1551 02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:07,360 so i i talked to him uh what he thought of the city so far 1552 02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:11,040 i was amazed at how complimentary he was of the people here in goldstone 1553 02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:19,119 it just impressed me that here's a person from pennsylvania who 1554 02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,760 came down here uh 1555 02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:25,119 as a job working 1556 02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:29,679 but he came here to support his son also not not financially but to give him 1557 02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:36,000 moral support and try to encourage him in his uh 1558 02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:39,920 career that he's now been in six years we have lots of those people here in 1559 02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:43,119 goldsboro we have those that have been here all 1560 02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:48,000 their lives that we have people who've been here six months like warren 1561 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:54,840 and uh it does my heart good to hear 1562 02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:58,560 good comments about the city uh and i 1563 02:10:57,119 --> 02:11:02,000 i'm proud of 1564 02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:06,719 the city here this city that i call home goldsboro and 1565 02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:11,920 the people that make it what it is so let's go forward 1566 02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:15,599 and continue that and and please i urge a counselor 1567 02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:20,800 uh when you're out in the public if you have an opportunity to uh speak to 1568 02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:25,119 people do so get their comments about uh their 1569 02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:29,599 how they feel about goals for our land and uh if some of them may be negative 1570 02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:32,719 uh things that we can learn from them that we can change and make them better 1571 02:11:31,679 --> 02:11:38,480 so that that was my comment uh and 1572 02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:42,560 it uh i wanted to share it with the public 1573 02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:47,280 at this time i'm going to uh pass that we close the uh 1574 02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:50,320 regular session and go into closed session and i have a motion to do 1575 02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:55,119 something so 1576 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:59,520 you have a motion to close the regular section go into closed session all in 1577 02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:04,239 favor all right 1578 02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:07,719 so if you please uh exit the 1579 02:40:38,860 --> 02:40:49,080 [Music] thank you 1580 02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:06,319 with another session on is there any further business on the council 1581 02:41:05,050 --> 02:41:09,560 [Music] if not