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Good afternoon. I'd like to call to order the design review board meeting of Tuesday, September 8th. We have roll call, please. Chair branch before we have a roll call. I wanted to introduce our new clerk here, Raylene Gonzalez. And some of you may, she might, you may have seen her before because she was our receptionist at the front desk. So she's now joining the city clerk's team.

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There you go.

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Well, I feel it's so much better.

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Welcome.

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Member Vannewerder.

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Here.

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Member Dragassi.

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Yes.

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Here.

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Member Brown.

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President.

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Member Aiman.

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Is absent.

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Member Schumacher.

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Here.

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Vice Chair Wheeling.

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Here.

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And Chair Brandt.

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Here.

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And now we're rise for Pledge of Allegiance.

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I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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to the republic or which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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At this time the public shall have an opportunity to comment on any non-agenda item relevant to the jurisdiction of the city.

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Do we have any speaker slips and or hands raised?

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I do not have any speaker slips and for any attendees on the Zoom webinar who wish to speak on the item,

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Please use the raise hand icon and I will call upon you.

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I'm not seeing any hands.

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Board.

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OK, this will take us to our administrative agenda review

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of agenda.

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Chair Brandt, a question to staff.

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Please, we have no minutes this meeting.

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We do not.

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So we'll catch up next round.

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Thank you.

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And no changes on the agenda today.

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OK, well, let's get into it.

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Item B1.

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That's

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partners of Galita's gift smokes sign, 585, Hollister Avenue, APN 071-053-024, case numbers 26-0014-DRB, comma 26-0021-ZC.

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Very good. Declarations, everybody visited the site, Tamecia?

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I have visited the site a few times in Nox Parter, Martha.

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Previous site visit Nox Parter.

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Jim.

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Site visit Nox Parter.

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In Cecilia.

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Virtual site visit Nox Parter.

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Okay.

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Very good.

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Luis at the floor is yours.

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Good afternoon, Chair Branch and members of the board.

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Today, we have the redesign for gift smoke sign, and this is located in Old Town.

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They were last at the DIRB meeting July 14.

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They took the comments that the board had at that meeting and submitted a redesign.

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And today, they're here to present that.

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We have the applicant that will be joining us virtually today.

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virtually. Okay, great.

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Is the applicant there?

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Yeah, hi, I'm here. Okay, great. You want

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to walk us through what your changes were? So the changes that I submitted were in regards to the

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demonstration of the mockup that shows the ventilation and update of placement.

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Say that again.

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I updated the placement and the mockup design.

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Okay. Very good.

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It looks like you incorporated the vent into the

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Yes into it. Okay

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All right

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questions for the applicants Cecilia

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No questions

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Jim

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So the dash is removed correct

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Yes, that is correct. Yeah, thank you. That's it. Martha. No questions. Dennis. No questions

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Tamisha. No questions. I have no questions. Do we have any public comment?

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No public comment. If anyone on the Zoom webinar who wishes to speak on the Senate, please use the raise hand icon and I will call upon you.

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I may not see any hands. Okay, we'll move to comments, Tommisha. No comments. Dennis?

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I appreciate the applicant's patience with the board to get to this point. I find this sign perfectly acceptable now.

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I think it's fine as proposed and their proportion looks good now.

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Jim?

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I would echo Vice Chair Wailan's comment of the applicants, patients with the board.

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I know we've probably put them through their paces just for a dash and event.

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So I think it looks fine as proposed.

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Okay.

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Cecilia?

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Thank you for the changes you made.

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Looks good to me.

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Okay.

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Someone want to make a motion?

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I'll make a motion to approve the project as proposed.

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Are there any other guidelines that I need to introduce?

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Subject to findings and the CEQA.

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There it is.

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The DRB adopt the design review and CEQA findings and categorical exemption and approve the

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a project as currently proposed.

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Very good.

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Oh, second.

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Second, any discussion?

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Are we approving for final and set before

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conceptual preliminary and final?

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Yes, the motion should include conceptual, preliminary,

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and final approval.

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Very good.

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We'll vote with Roca.

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Member Van Order?

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Yes.

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Member Dick Assi?

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Yes.

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Member Brown?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Mr. Schenglacher?

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Wheeling?

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Yes.

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Chair Brown.

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Yes.

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Motion passes.

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Very good.

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This will take us to item B2.

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Second story, residential accessory structure.

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7289 to remain dry.

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APN 077-093-003.

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Case number is 26-0013-DRB.

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Coming in 26, 0, 0, 0, 8, dash LUP.

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And declarations on this, Temecia?

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Virtual type visit no exparte.

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Dennis?

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I have visited the site both virtually and in person and no exparte.

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At a virtual site visit no exparte.

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Martha?

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Previous virtual no exparte.

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Jim?

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Site visit and no exparte.

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Okay.

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Cecilia.

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Previous virtual site visit in the next project.

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Okay.

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Luisa, welcome back.

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Laura Scherz.

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Thank you, Chair Branch.

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So today, for the 728912 Me Dry project,

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we have Andy Triton present to speak on behalf of this project.

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So this project was reviewed at the design or design

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review board meeting on May 26th. The applicant submitted a new design that we believe addresses

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the feedback received during that meeting and today we're here to discuss the changes.

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All right, thank you.

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Turn your mic on and introduce yourself for the record and proceed.

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Hello, I'm Andrew Trangout, the owner of the Sub-2A9 Pulling Jack.

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Okay, great.

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Go ahead and walk us through.

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So there were two comments at the last hearing, one being the mass, the scale, the compatibility

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and the compatibility with the existing structure.

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What we've done is, we originally proposed what was already there, which we all agreed

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was pretty ugly.

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You know, so some good comments from you guys last time.

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So what we are proposing now is basically centering it on the, on the structure, so it's a little more

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with the neighborhood, there's a few neighbors that also have a very similar design, one right across the street, one moving down the street.

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And so we went to a gable roof, keeping the footage the same, scooting it away from the neighbors

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set back. It's not protruding any further out. There's actually a prior addition that was done

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before I purchased the house, this plot portion here, which was approved 20 years ago or so.

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So it's actually under the footprint of the original, not the additional template that it extends.

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And yeah, that's where we're at right now.

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Okay, is that it?

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Yeah, I believe so.

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Do we have any public comment?

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Yes, thank you, Chair.

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I have one public comment and for any attendings on the Zoom webinar,

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who wish to speak on a item, please use the raise hand icon and I will call on you.

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The first speaker is Monica Trent.

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I live next door to 7289, 12-Amy Drive.

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The last time in the previous hearing, he had indicated that he would be working with me

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on the redesign and the only input he has asked for me is whether I want horizontal or vertical

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paneling on the addition. The fact that he's sintering it at this time is new to me. I have some

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examples here of two neighbors who do have second story additions, one across the street and one

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on the street adjacent.

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Either one of those properties and pinch upon the neighbors on either side.

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If Andy is proposing to redesign this, so it is in the center of his property to where it doesn't loom over my backyard.

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Right now, he has added a staircase to the existing property bill, I should say.

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And if somebody stands on there, I can see that staircase from my bedroom, which is on the other side of the street,

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other side of the house near the street. The second thing that I would like to

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indicate is that again this does not meet the size and comportment of the

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neighborhood. I went around and I took pictures of the skyline or the roof line

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of the neighbors and on our side of the street there are no additions.

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Second

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Here's some photos that I gave you previously showing what

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sliding glass door in my backyard.

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Now one of the things I did do is I went and I took pictures of where the existing

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addition is in relation to my property line.

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I took a ruler and it's about the overhang is about six to seven feet away from my fence line, which is on the property.

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So one of the things I'd like you to do is irregardless of the fact that he is built on top, I'd like you to review this thinking that what would be best for the neighborhood in addition to what is best for my backyard.

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I do have grandchildren, I do entertain over there, my son entertains over there, and right now the way the existing edition is just untenable for me.

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I have no privacy, all somebody has to do is climb up that staircase and my whole house is in full view through the sliding glass door.

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I have a large double sliding glass door.

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The last thing I wanted to hand you is what pictures I took looking at his edition from

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the front of the house, from walking down the street, showing that it looms large in

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the neighborhood.

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All right, thank you for your comments.

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There are some other neighbors who have been trying to get in on this hearing, and they haven't

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been able to connect with the Zoom.

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So, I'm not the only neighbor that has concerns about the addition right now, if Randi is willing to relocate it.

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So, essentially, in the middle of his house, that would go a long way in elaying some of the fears that I have. But, at the way it is structured right now, it's impossible. Thank you. Thank you very much. What? These are yours. You can keep them. They go back to you. Oh, okay.

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Okay. Questions for the applicant, to me? Mr. Chair, I do have one.

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public comment over zoom. I'm sorry. Go ahead. We have Yvonne Peterson. Please

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unmute yourself. You have three minutes.

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Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you.

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Okay. Hi. My first question to you is I did write up just a one-page list of

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concern. Have you had access to that? And have you been able to read it? I believe

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those were submitted with our with our packing. Okay, so I'm not sure if I'm if I'm repeating myself

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based on what you've already read or if you have not read it. My house is actually on San

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Milano Drive. My the back of my house my back view is elevated and is exactly Kitty corner

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to I say Monica's house right there in the corner. My parents bought the house in 1966.

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It's been our family home since then and one of the reasons we bought that lot was because of the elevated and with the with the views it kind of was this over over the top kind of view, even of the Bell tower UCSB.

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It has been shipped away through the years through all the foliage and building on this was a very big surprise to me that this was all a sudden built and I had not heard anything about it.

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So my first concern is to how on earth this happened in the first place without even being told or informed about this that all of a sudden built that seemed like it was kind of an underhanded situation.

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Now that it is built, I agree it's very unsightly. It does not fit. I agree very much with what Monica was talking about. It does not fit into the mode of the neighborhood.

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good, it feels very industrial, not industrial, I should say, more commercial. And I also have

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concerns about the reason for it. And why we're building on top of precedent that it's going to be

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setting, right? Now we're going to build storage units on top of our houses. And is that really where we

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want to go. So some questions there on that. I addressed a few things on my note and I know

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I've got a limited amount of time.

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All right. Thank you very much. One other comment I have

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is that if as I understand it you're going to be maybe possibly moving at ease at least from

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the plan that I see and by doing that and I know that helps Monica by moving it shifting it away

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from her a little bit, but for me, that completely interferes with what little

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sliver of a view I've got left.

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All right thank you very much.

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Now we'll go to

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questions for the applicant, Tamisha.

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Yes, does the staircase still overlook your

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neighbor's yard? Was that relocated at all the access to the new? We haven't been

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building since the citation. The citation stated the staircase. It's nothing new

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that was added. Oh, I think we did it with we painted. Excuse me. Excuse me. I mean, you can see

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the from the complaint from the guy that's the. Code, Code Compliance Officer. Sean McLaughlin.

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Sean stated on his document the staircase in there. The only thing we've done is paint it because it was starting to rust.

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that's about what we did with the staircase right now.

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So it's still in the same location.

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Our offer to Monica to try to solve the problem

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of seeing into her yard was to put a,

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you know, some kind of something that was,

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you know, six feet higher or whatever the height we need

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to be able to not see in her yard as you make the turn in.

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It's not also anything that someone would be standing there

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looking or y'all they got to make a turn to go inside. We also to try to use her with that put no

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No windows in that side. There's nothing looking in once anyone's in there.

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That's, I mean, we've done our best to try to accommodate, make her happy. I've also, it wasn't just vertical or horizontal setting. I probably went through about 30 different pictures with her trying to ask her if she liked any of this. If it helped, you know, do you want me to put vines here? Do you like the wood this way? Do you like light wood dark wood? Do you want stucco? You know, more than the cosmetic. I'm more than willing to

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that do what's needed, it wasn't just a quick vertical horizontal slots in our conversations.

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And I've had considerable amounts with her, so at this point, I just asked for your guys' guidance

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where you think the right way to accommodate everyone.

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Okay. Any other questions?

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Not only question.

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Okay. Dennis, questions?

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Thank you, Chair Branch.

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First of all, Mr. Chair, how much that is number of feet

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has this plan shifted from the previous one.

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You mean as far as how far over has it gone?

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Right.

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I would say at least so the staircase canolavers

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three feet out from the existing building.

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So it's three and probably a good 15 to 20 feet over.

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It's 15 to 20 feet.

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Roughly, yeah.

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Thank you.

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If you need, I can get you the exact numbers.

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Now, it's sort of to my advantage or disadvantage

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that I'm familiar with drawing conventions, and I had a lot of trouble reading these plans.

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So bear with me as I try to straighten out some questions I had.

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Now on sheet A2.0, that's titled as the floor plan.

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But that's really the second floor plan, is it not?

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Yeah, that's the sheet.

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So,

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that's the second floor plan, not the ground floor plan, right?

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I would say yeah.

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Okay, and what does the dashed line indicate is that the wall line or the eve line of the floor plan?

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This is, I think, the existing 3-2 canally.

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I'm referring to the dashed line.

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Is that the wall line when I look at the next sheet, A2.1, it appears that the dashed line on that sheet is indicating the wall line.

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I just wasn't clear on that so-called second floor plan.

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I believe it's the wall.

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All right, that's helpful.

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Let's

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see on

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sheet A3.0 it

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shows the stair landing extending out in its previous form or shall we say as built.

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Does that change at all?

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So that the 3-p cantilever that goes from the current addition out, that's the landing of the staircase.

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So that's what was there in order to have the proper 3-p cantilever landing and the proper pitch on the staircase.

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So that's not changing and we're proposing it not changing?

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Okay, because it was an as-built condition as you say may be unpermitted deck addition previously, all right.

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So the feedback can only be that it's actually more than 7p, it's almost 10p to her.

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All right, so looking at the railing on that detail number two, sheet A3, it seems to indicate vertical stair supports,

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But when I look at the next sheet, A4.1, it appears to be a different kind of railing.

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What I'm looking for is what kinds of railing balusters and handrails is proposed.

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It doesn't seem to be very clearly thought out.

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Is the staircase a prefabricated metal stair, like out of a catalog?

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No, it's it was custom made I mean it's

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It would be helpful if this information were on the drawings and just a point of clarification.

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We're not here to give you guidance on what's preferable.

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You would propose and we would respond to that.

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I applaud that.

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All right.

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The guy is in the drawings.

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So, let's see.

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And then continuing on sheet A4.2, there are some details.

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I'm confused where these details are applied.

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there's no cross information as to which sheet numbers one and two the floor

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assembly and the pipe penetration. They look perfectly adequate details. I'm

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just sort of blindfolded as to where do they apply if that deck is already

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existing. I'm just trying to understand what you're proposing here. Those are the

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Joyce. It can't deliver for the basically underneath the floor is I want to

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believe that four by twelve Joyce would run. So this is the landing can to

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I can just jump in for one second.

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These are fire separation details.

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They're not tested assemblies.

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Yeah, these are all about fire separation.

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What's the fire separation that you need?

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Maybe for the chimney, I'm not too sure.

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Or if you're removing part of the existing roof

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and building over the first floor, perhaps that is.

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You can see our confusion here.

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Yeah, I apologize.

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The drawings are telling us some details just enough

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to make us curious as to what is being proposed.

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I was a little blindsided to my guy.

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I didn't go along with that.

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I find no materials or colors or are in the proposal.

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So, those are all of my questions, Chair Branch.

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I think she A5.0 has some specifications and materials.

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It does. It's too much to grace.

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That's all existing to the house right now.

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So, it's roof shingles or a dark gray and the siding.

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Is that a blackish bluish color?

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Blaster to match the rest of the house.

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Right. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. And then just let it go.

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There's a wait for them.

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Okay. Martha, do you have questions?

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None that I can actually articulate, so let it pass by me.

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Okay. Jim, any questions? Yeah.

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Yes. I do have a couple of questions.

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I'm looking at sheet A 1.0, the cyclone.

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And I would also hold a finger on sheet A, excuse me, A2.1 at the same time, sort of

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flip them back and forth. On the site plan A1.0, you note the stairs. Now the

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stairs are, I thought you mentioned they were previously permitted. Did I hear that

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in correctly. On the addition that there. So I have an addition that was a bathroom. Yes,

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it was permitted and a. The backup valve was permitted before I purchased the house.

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But the stairs are not. That's part of this while you're here. Okay. And then on the which

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would be the northwest side of the addition, which faces your neighbor to the west, you're

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We're showing a roof deck which I'm surmising would be the flat roof deck that would remain

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were you to relocate this building more towards the gable of the existing house.

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And on sheet 2.1 you note as that as an existing roof deck.

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It's, yeah, so it's the flat roof of the bathroom currently.

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Right.

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And I'm trying to determine, well, you're...

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When I see existing in these plans, I'm, I'm tend to think that it's existing permitted. So I'm just trying to get clarification. Is that, that would be, that would be part of what you're seeking to permit. Is that roof deck? Correct. Yeah. Okay. And I think the reason mainly for the roof deck was that's when you walk up the stairs. That's the way to get in. So you need a way to make the turn. Yes. I understand. Okay.

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and turning to A3.0 drawing for north elevation. I'm looking at keynote seven, which is talks about the new staircase with railing.

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And if I heard correctly, previously your previous response is that projects from either the building below or the fascia of the roof by three feet.

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Yes. Okay. The staircase. Yes. Okay. And that edge of stair now going back to a 1.0 is basically

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would be right on the 12 foot setback from the property line. If you look at your site

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plan and I'm yes. From the back fence or the top of the stair landing, more or less the

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lines right with your setback line to the to her yard if well no your setback

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line your side yard setback correct yeah okay it is within the setback right

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okay yeah all right and then the roof last question the edge of the roof deck

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would be vertically it wouldn't extend beyond the roof line itself correct no no

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So, okay, thank you.

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That's it.

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Cecilia, any questions?

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No, I don't have any questions.

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It's just a very confusing project for me.

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Yeah.

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That's my only comment.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Then let's move to comments.

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Tamisha.

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Yeah.

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I appreciate that you move the storage over a bit there.

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I still have a problem with the stairs and the access.

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To that area.

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And I also feel like since there's a roof deck there now,

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That's even more of you into your neighbor's yard.

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I also am a little confused as to why you can't just treat this like a home addition and why is it just storage.

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You know, it needs to be treated as if like other neighbors have added, you know, maybe a second floor to their home.

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It's more congruous with the roof line.

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There were a couple of windows on there.

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treated as an actual at least from the outside make it look like just a room and

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then you can store it sort things or do whatever you like on the inside. I

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think that would probably be more acceptable to your neighbors but right now to

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me it just looks like you move the same box right over your front door so I'm still

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not quite there yet. That's it.

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Dennis?

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Thank you, Chair Branch.

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My support to Misha's comments, I appreciate fully that the building has been moved

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15 feet or so to reduce the impact on the neighborhood.

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I can't really see that the addition is compatible with the neighborhood.

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it, I think it would be to your advantage to have some views of the project from the

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street as it affects and in the final assessment. It just looks plopped on to the bill like

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it landed there and could be better integrated. I think you're going to have some real difficult

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and roofing problems, as proposed, if it were an extension of the gable on the south,

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just more integrated into the design. I'm not sure how that would result. Those are my comments.

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Martha, comments?

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I would echo the Schumacher's comments. It's it's almost like an enormous

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cupola or something. It's again just it's not working. It's like you need to

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create an actual addition to your home instead of just dropping this box onto it.

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So I don't think it's working at all and I'm sorry.

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I can't be more hopeful, but it's

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not well thought out in any way. Jim, any comments?

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Yes. Again, I appreciate the nudge towards moving it away from the property line and integrating

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a roof line that's a little more consistent with the residents, three and 12 pitch. I would

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I do have to agree with the other board members' comments.

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I don't see a problem if you were to add some fenestration,

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even if it's something rather than a storage.

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I think maybe suggestion of not naming it storage might be an idea.

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I also think that its proportion is a little odd.

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And I know I get the sense you're working

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with what you've got right now, and trying to slide it over to the east, but it just

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is proportions feel odd.

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And especially, I think that's especially prevalent in your, both your south and your north

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elevation.

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and just kind of is this almost like a tall tower.

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And then I was asking earlier about the roof deck

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if that was existing because I thought I heard,

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but obviously I misheard that it's not an existing permitted.

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I do think and I understand,

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I think I understand that you want to,

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that's the existing, you know, where the addition is now,

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preserve that as a flat area.

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I think in addition to reworking some of the proportions of this second floor

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edition, to pull back that roof deck. From looking at your plan, your deck is

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about 12 feet from property line and that's and it's large enough that it looks

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like it would be seeding there and that is a view into your neighbors and I I

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I understand some of their concerns.

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So I think that roof deck area needs to be looked at again.

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Potentially, I would encourage to minimize that a little bit,

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and then look at some screening, some planting screening

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between your property and the adjacent.

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I didn't see that in the package.

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We do have existing, like, a whole row of feces

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that are probably 12-foot tall, I'd say, between our yard.

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Okay, well, it would be good if that were depicted in what you're submitting.

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It helps the board understand what we're looking at.

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Question for you is because I heard a few of you guys said, are you saying that making

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it a room would be a better alternative or making it a second story edition?

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What would you as rather like to see?

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Well, let us finish our comments and then you can kind of interpret how you want to proceed

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after that.

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Yeah, and I apologize if some of my comments sounded a bit leading, that's not the intent.

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It's just, I'm just responding to some of the comments that I've heard.

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But yeah, I just, I think that proportionally, especially in elevation, it just feels awkward

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because you're your first floor, much wider, the roof, you know, it's more than just matching

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the roof line.

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There are other proportions that I would encourage you to look at.

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That's it. Thank you. Cecilia, any comments?

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You know, I've been trying to digest what you're trying to do here. And if I can just

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say this to me, okay, I'm not an architect. I'm a neighborhood person. It just seems

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like there's a hodgepodge of elements that you're trying to, I don't know. It's very confusing

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to me. And I understand the neighbor's concern. And I would support your trying to eliminate

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any overlooks into her yard. I appreciate that it's difficult when you try to do a second

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story and you try to get out there. But I just, I just, I just, I just, I just feel like

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you're there, there, yet. That's all. Sorry. That's the best I can do.

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Okay. I'll try and see your pointer please and let's flip it back to the roof

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plan. Well that's good. I

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appreciate that you because when we saw it last it was

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all over here right you moved it over here so that's great and I think

463
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,600
It would be who you to move the stair over and make your entrance into this, on this side of the chimney. And I think you would, you would then be it going in and out in a way that, um, that your neighbor doesn't feel impacted by. And I think this roof deck, you could turn this into pitched roof to match the rest of the house and, and play with your proportions of this and integrate it into the roof plan.

464
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,180
and of this to make it look like an actual addition.

465
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:39,900
And even if you, I'm not completely against it,

466
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,200
not because you're proposing to use it as a storage,

467
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:45,060
I understand that.

468
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,500
But I think if you popped in a couple of windows,

469
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,440
even if they're small and high, it helps

470
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,180
it have a residential feel, which is more friendly,

471
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,540
even though it's just storage.

472
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:05,420
But I think those types of things would help integrate that into feeling more like the

473
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:07,320
residents that it is.

474
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:14,260
It appears that the components you have here kind of fight how that structure feels.

475
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Does that make sense?

476
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:26,220
And I think at this point, and I probably speak for the board, that we're grateful that you're

477
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:30,540
you're willing to move this over and do what it takes to do this.

478
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,020
You're clearly listening to the comments.

479
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:37,600
But I do think, you know, if you could,

480
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,940
if you could, with your designer kind of integrate this into the existing roof plan,

481
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:48,020
so that it makes a little more sense and get your stair over that you're coming in and out

482
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:52,420
on the east side of this existing chimney there,

483
00:41:52,420 --> 00:42:09,640
I think that could go a long way to feeling, you know, for the neighbors not feeling like their privacy is imprinched upon, especially with this flat deck then becoming sloped roof, it's not going to be a place to sit or whatever.

484
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,500
So yeah, I don't know why you called a roof deck.

485
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:18,620
I mean, this wasn't really, I don't have any desire to have a deck right here.

486
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:26,060
Well, but it's but it's but it's a flat area and and, you know, maybe you leave that house

487
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:29,420
and somebody else comes in and decides they want to put table and chairs up there.

488
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,180
So anybody else have any other comments?

489
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Yes, thank you, Chair Branch.

490
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:41,100
It occurs to me with your comments that the storage room might, you might consider

491
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:47,800
rotating it 90 degrees, which would significantly reduce the visual impact of the neighbor.

492
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:54,940
As long as you're going to tear off the roof of that gable, might help solve a couple of

493
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:55,480
problems.

494
00:42:55,740 --> 00:43:02,480
You might even incorporate the chimney into the storage room rather than trying to avoid

495
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:15,540
And whether there is an operable fireplace, I know that a chimney has to be two feet higher than anything within 10 feet.

496
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:23,560
So as proposed, I'm not sure it really does that, but I'm getting too much into plan check here.

497
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:36,880
But the move I suggest about rotating it, it really does evolve around reducing the impact of the neighbor.

498
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,520
So at the top of the stair landing, when just sees a door, the windows are a fine suggestion.

499
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,200
They don't even have to be real.

500
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,860
They could be blacked in just something that ties the building more together.

501
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:54,040
I can, I can, but when does this no problem?

502
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,760
Anybody else, any other comments?

503
00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:00,240
Yeah, Chair Wrench, back to your comments about,

504
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,560
and I echo Vice Chair Wailin's comment about rotating it.

505
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:08,940
You do have the long ridge of the main resonance,

506
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,060
running opposite to where you're showing this down.

507
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:16,000
I'm specifically looking at the South elevation on A3.0.

508
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
I think that was a good suggestion.

509
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:35,960
And on that same south elevation, as you mentioned, Chair Branch, the pitch of the roof which on that elevation is shown dashed as though it would be removed if that pitch were continued, it would minimize or mitigate the perceived height of the addition.

510
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:36,640
No question.

511
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:38,120
Yeah, that's what it is.

512
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:47,120
Yeah, so I'm just echoing, I heard that loud and clear and I think that's something, yeah, I encourage exploring that as well.

513
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:59,840
Okay, I think it's clear that you kind of need to take another stab at this with your designers so I'm similar on them.

514
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,100
Make a motion to continue this? I'll try to make a motion that the item be continued to the next meeting or indefinitely with staff suggestion. And the project continued to reduce the impact on the immediate neighbor and provide us with site photos of the landscape that you speak of and the existing conditions.

515
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:39,060
and perhaps even a photo rendering of the impact from the street.

516
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:46,860
That would be almost story poles, but it's already up,

517
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,740
so they don't really need story poles.

518
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,580
I'll remove that last part.

519
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:54,980
I'll be willing to add, well, let's get a second

520
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,180
and then you can change it.

521
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Okay.

522
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,380
Go ahead and choose.

523
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:21,000
Second adding relocating the stair and and putting sloped roof over the existing roof deck. I would suggest relocating the stair. I realize that it's already existing or study relocation of the stair and what was it?

524
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,620
the penning pitch roof over this flat roof deck.

525
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:27,180
Adding a pitch roof over the flat deck,

526
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,160
and then I'm going to continue on,

527
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,900
a solid railing around that deck

528
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,400
to further limit the visual impact.

529
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:39,870
Perfect.

530
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:43,990
So the seconder agrees with those changes?

531
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:45,350
I agree.

532
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:46,190
OK.

533
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,290
We will, anything else to add by staff,

534
00:46:50,290 --> 00:46:54,830
Do you need a date or just continue in DEFINITELY?

535
00:46:54,970 --> 00:46:58,510
I think we continue it and when the owner is ready to come back.

536
00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:00,110
Okay, and DEFINITELY.

537
00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:01,530
Yes, thank you. No date, certain.

538
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:04,710
All right, then with that, we'll take about with the roll call.

539
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:07,050
Thank you, Barbara.

540
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:08,490
Member Van Order?

541
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:09,850
Yes.

542
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:11,510
Member Degassi?

543
00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:12,150
Degassi?

544
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:13,170
Member Brown?

545
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:13,790
Yes.

546
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:14,830
Member Schenglacher?

547
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:15,630
Yes.

548
00:47:16,090 --> 00:47:16,870
Vice Chair Willing?

549
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:17,470
Yes.

550
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:18,370
And Chair Branch?

551
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:19,010
Yes.

552
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:19,130
Yes.

553
00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:20,750
Thank you very much.

554
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:21,210
Thank you.

555
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:21,990
Thank you.

556
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:25,660
That will take us to item B3.

557
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:32,160
R&G 1st and 2nd floor.

558
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Residential addition.

559
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,300
5864 BF-Yori.

560
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:41,800
APN069-660-009.

561
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,900
Case numbers 26-0012-LUP.

562
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:52,000
Alma 26-0017-DRB.

563
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:52,100
Thank you.

564
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:55,460
Declarations, everybody?

565
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Tamisha?

566
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,440
Virtual site visit, no expartee.

567
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,660
Yes, the same with me, a virtual site visit and no expartee.

568
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,080
Yep, virtual site visit, no expartee.

569
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:08,700
I had a virtual site visit and no expartee.

570
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,100
Jim, site visit, no expartee.

571
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:11,780
Cecilia?

572
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:13,880
Virtual site visit, no expartee.

573
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Okay.

574
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:15,660
Very good.

575
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,360
Louisa.

576
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:19,260
floor is yours.

577
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:20,560
Thank you, Chair rent.

578
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,780
This is a new project and has not been reviewed by the Board.

579
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:32,520
This is a request for a new residential addition of 367 square feet to an existing two story residents.

580
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:40,100
The new addition will add 157 square feet on the first floor and 210 square feet on the second floor.

581
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:45,600
The total living area will increase to 2776 square feet.

582
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:58,400
Since the succeeds, the maximum floor area allowed for this parcel as per Title 17 and has a second story component, the project requires approval from the design review board.

583
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,840
Thank you.

584
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,540
Okay, very good.

585
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,280
Make sure your mic is on and introduce yourself and proceed.

586
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:17,020
This is on there. Yeah, Chris Cotrell Architect. This is I guess you've all been up there.

587
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:24,220
Look at 180. Oh, thank you. Yeah, you get to present upside down.

588
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:27,240
That's perfect. That's great. Everything life is up there. Okay.

589
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:35,380
This is between Cathedral Oaks and Fairview. It was a development. It was all two story homes.

590
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:41,960
We are proposing, first of all, the owners are out of town, they apologize for not being here, they wanted to be here.

591
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:46,900
She's retired judge in a sports enthusiast, so she wants to build a study.

592
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,760
He wants her to build a study to house her memorabilia.

593
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,640
So that's what this is and to do some work.

594
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,420
So go ahead and say, okay, there you go, you got it.

595
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:27,720
The addition is proposed in the rear of the house. If you've been there, if your is here, the addition is back here. It is actually shielded by the house. It is a two-story addition. We're adding about 150 square feet on the first floor and 200 square feet on the second floor. All materials to match existing. Let's see if I can show you where this is. Yeah, okay. So this little notch is this pen. Okay.

596
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,480
It doesn't matter.

597
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:29,980
Okay, yeah.

598
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,980
This little notch is kind of what we're infilling right here.

599
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:38,480
It's kind of a dead spot anyway.

600
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,000
So we'll be taking out that little blank on this word.

601
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:48,540
Thank you, Bay Window right there.

602
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:51,940
Yeah, and then it'll be a straight stack to story.

603
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:55,100
These plans printed really lightly.

604
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:57,960
So I apologize if they're, oh, you can kind of see them.

605
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:59,060
You can kind of see them.

606
00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:59,360
Okay.

607
00:50:59,620 --> 00:51:00,180
This is existing.

608
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:01,600
So you can just ignore that.

609
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,200
And then this is proposed.

610
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,840
So you can see that the two addition is just stacked right on top of each other.

611
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:13,620
And then, electrical, we don't need to get into yet.

612
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:19,880
So these are set up where on this side it's existing, on this side it's proposed.

613
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,780
So obviously from the front of the house you're not going to see this at all.

614
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,740
in the back it's going to the windows will match existing. We'll have slightly

615
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:34,420
lower slope roof and back there to keep it tucked away. But the eaves all match

616
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:40,120
up. And the same on this last page. It's just the same match all existing

617
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:46,520
materials. On our screens that was a red line it was easier to see. Yeah. I didn't

618
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,340
realize we didn't have digital presentations. Next time I come I'll bring you

619
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:51,020
color brands.

620
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:56,500
Well, next project.

621
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,240
Okay, I think it's pretty straightforward so I'll just leave

622
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:07,060
it there and ask any questions. Okay. All right, do we have any public comment on this one?

623
00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:17,210
Thank you, Chair. I have no public speaking subs. And if any attendees on the Zoom webinar who

624
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:20,550
wish to speak on the site, please use the raise your hand icon and I will call on you.

625
00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:21,450
I'm

626
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:29,910
seeing no hands, Chair.

627
00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:30,930
Okay, very good.

628
00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:32,210
And we'll proceed with questions.

629
00:52:32,830 --> 00:52:34,150
Tamiya, questions for the applicant?

630
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:35,730
Yes.

631
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:37,910
I'm sorry.

632
00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:38,850
I'm not a professional.

633
00:52:39,070 --> 00:52:43,970
So sometimes I have trouble understanding blueprints and floor plans.

634
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:47,870
So I'm just trying to understand the bottom floor is where the primary bedroom is.

635
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:51,730
And there's an adjacent bath and closet there.

636
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:55,030
What would be there?

637
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:58,730
Will that remain once you add that or is that going to be expanded also?

638
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:03,690
Yes, the existing lower floor stops right here and this was just a family room.

639
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:06,610
So they're basically just expanding the family room downstairs.

640
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:11,470
So it's not a change in use down there and then upstairs this was void.

641
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:13,390
So this becomes that new office.

642
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:18,410
Okay, I see. So that is actually downstairs is what I was looking at downstairs.

643
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:19,770
Just a bigger family room.

644
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:25,610
Okay, and so then again upstairs, I guess the trophy room would be adjacent to the primary.

645
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:28,850
Correct, yep, upstairs.

646
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:32,450
Okay, that's it for me, thanks.

647
00:53:33,110 --> 00:53:34,150
Okay, Dennis, questions?

648
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:37,710
Well, I share, remember, Schumacher's,

649
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:39,730
puzzlement with reading the plans.

650
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:44,510
As a gesture, it seems very simple and straightforward.

651
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:47,430
But when I look at your site photos,

652
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:51,810
and it would help if we could zoom in on that.

653
00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:52,950
I don't think we can.

654
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:55,950
I'm looking at the west side of the residence

655
00:53:55,950 --> 00:53:57,090
and the southwest.

656
00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:00,170
It looks as if at the second floor

657
00:54:00,170 --> 00:54:03,670
there's about a one foot bump out.

658
00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:05,730
That goes away.

659
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:06,850
Correct.

660
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:07,530
Yep.

661
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:14,150
And then likewise, that the second floor above the garage,

662
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:21,490
It extends out over, okay, it's a lot more complex than one would first.

663
00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:23,870
I think those are my only questions.

664
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:24,530
Thank you.

665
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:25,230
Okay.

666
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:26,530
Martha, do you have any questions?

667
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:28,550
No questions.

668
00:54:29,110 --> 00:54:29,270
Jim?

669
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:34,010
I'm fine with the proposed plans.

670
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:35,070
First and second floor.

671
00:54:35,290 --> 00:54:38,910
I understand kind of what Chris is trying to do.

672
00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:42,130
My question is about the floor area.

673
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:51,630
Yeah. You are proposing to increase the floor area above the allowed maximum. Am I right?

674
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:57,070
It's just that triggers design review. It's not a maximum for zoning. It's just it's triggering

675
00:54:57,070 --> 00:54:57,550
design review.

676
00:54:57,550 --> 00:54:57,670
Right.

677
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:58,210
Yeah.

678
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:30,000
That was my other question. Thank you. Cecilia, any questions? All right, let's move to comments. Do you have any comments? I wanted to pick up a question of member Van orders to staff. So am I correct in understanding that it is currently above its allowable maximum floor area? It is per the parcel size of 7,405 square feet. The maximum allowed for this parcel size.

679
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:39,880
per Title 17 is 2,281 square feet. With the addition on the first and second floor, that would increase

680
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:51,600
the floor area to 2,776 square feet, therefore exceeding the maximum allowable by 495 square feet.

681
00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:54,560
So are garages included in that calculation?

682
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:01,500
In the floor area, I know accessory structures are, yes, garages are included in the floor area calculation.

683
00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:09,500
So in my ballparking, it sounds like this would result in a 30% exceeding the maximum.

684
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,560
Approximately.

685
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:22,080
Yes, but I will say because there's a second story component, it's not necessarily expanding the building footprint, it's more adding to the building volume.

686
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:29,820
both the 1st and 2nd 4th and 2nd yeah is this characteristic or uncharacteristic of this

687
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:30,460
neighborhood?

688
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:35,870
Is that a fair question or is that more planning?

689
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:42,510
I think the characteristic

690
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:50,590
of the existing dwelling, you can't see it from the streetscape per se. As far as our charge

691
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:56,770
is concerned I was just wondering if all the other neighborhood houses are existing,

692
00:56:58,050 --> 00:57:00,290
exceeding the maximum floor area.

693
00:57:00,410 --> 00:57:01,370
That I don't know.

694
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:04,470
I'm just making a curious assumption.

695
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:06,410
All right, that's my question.

696
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:06,870
Thank you.

697
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:07,450
Okay.

698
00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:09,610
Comments, Tamecia?

699
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:11,830
No comments, thank you.

700
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:12,990
Okay, Dennis?

701
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:16,230
Well, I'm wondering about the impact on the neighbor.

702
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:24,650
And when they did a virtual inspection, it doesn't look like it would impact the neighbor that much.

703
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:30,890
although I would like the additions to reflect more of the existing Indian

704
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:37,070
outie of the building rather than just walling in that corner. Maybe it could be

705
00:57:37,070 --> 00:57:43,030
offset a little here and there just so that original character wasn't

706
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:53,170
completely subsumed. Thank you. Martha? I would say I find it completely

707
00:57:53,170 --> 00:58:02,790
acceptable and in a way improves the house which is pretty complicated to start with so I think it

708
00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:06,470
looks just fine. Jim? Thank you.

709
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,120
I would agree with Member DeGase's comment. I think it

710
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:25,160
regulates I think the any outy is a little odd. I don't see a major impact to the backyard neighbor.

711
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:33,940
I drove that street as well as the front of the view of Huron, so I think it's acceptable.

712
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:35,460
Thank you.

713
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:37,280
Cecilia, any comments?

714
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:43,260
I like what Mr. Hand order had to say about it, but it's kind of my feeling so it's okay.

715
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:43,980
Okay.

716
00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:50,380
Yeah, I guess I can concur with them.

717
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:54,700
I think the fact that this is tucked behind it, it makes perfect sense.

718
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,500
And the way you had the low slope roof, when it's all said and done, nobody'll know.

719
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:09,820
And there's, you know, with the tree to the west, you know, it further hides seeing that bump out.

720
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:14,720
So I don't have a problem with it, I think it's well designed.

721
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,540
Any other comments?

722
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:22,340
There was someone like to take a shot at a motion.

723
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:23,980
I could take a stab at it.

724
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:24,440
Okay.

725
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:35,440
I propose that the board adopt the project as proposed, including the California Environmental

726
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:45,260
Quality Act findings as per attachment name and the categorical exemption as per attachment

727
00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:52,700
and that the board, well, I guess I would pose take a straw poll, this is for conceptual

728
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:59,660
preliminary and final. So I would propose approval for final, conceptual

729
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,860
Assembly, and final. Okay. We have a second. I second. Any discussion? Okay, we'll vote with roll call, please. Thank you. Member Van Order? Yes. Member DeGasis? Yes. Member Brown? Yes. Member Schumacher? Yes.

730
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:20,060
Yes.

731
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:21,220
Vice Chair Wheeling?

732
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:22,040
No.

733
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:23,760
Chair Branch.

734
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:24,240
Yes.

735
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:25,840
All right.

736
01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:26,660
Thank you very much.

737
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:28,080
Thank you so much.

738
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:38,580
All right.

739
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,780
That's will take us to our conceptual preliminary calendar.

740
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,780
I think I want to take just a quick two minute break because we're going to have some biggies

741
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:48,200
after this.

742
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,700
So we'll be back in two minutes.

743
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:04,480
Okay.

744
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,420
I'd like to call the meeting back to order.

745
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,140
And we left off at item C1.

746
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:11,960
Thank you.

747
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:23,740
So, that's 7513 Carlisle Way, APN 079-454-004, residential addition and setback modification,

748
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:38,180
case number 26-0021-DRB, 26-002-MOD, 26-0013-LUP.

749
01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:38,280
Thank you.

750
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:39,560
Very good.

751
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,280
And declarations from everybody for site visits, Tamecia?

752
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,720
Virtual site visit, no exparte.

753
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:46,420
Dennis?

754
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,760
Virtual site visit, no exparte.

755
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:52,040
I had virtual site visit, no exparte, Martha?

756
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:54,500
Virtual site visit, no exparte.

757
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:55,140
Jim?

758
01:01:55,900 --> 01:02:01,000
Site visit, no exparte, and for full disclosure, the applicant is a former employer of mine.

759
01:02:01,540 --> 01:02:01,980
Okay.

760
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,020
And Cecilia?

761
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,780
Virtual site visit, no exparte.

762
01:02:06,460 --> 01:02:06,720
Okay.

763
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,840
Very good.

764
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,780
Kelly, the floor is yours.

765
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:11,740
Thank you, Chair Branch.

766
01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:14,260
Hello, everyone, members of the board.

767
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,900
The proposed project before you today is for a residential addition,

768
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:21,660
totaling 800 and two square feet.

769
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:27,000
And accessory structures consisting of two patios and one trellis,

770
01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:29,840
totaling 626 square feet.

771
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,080
The applicant is seeking DRB conceptual and preliminary approval

772
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:43,960
for a modification to reduce the rear setback from 25 feet to 16 feet to allow a small portion

773
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,960
42.7 square feet of the addition to encroach into the rear setback.

774
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,680
The addition complies with all applicable residential district development standards,

775
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:02,580
including floor area ratio, height, front and interior side setbacks, except for the rear setback

776
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:08,700
within the RS zoning district, the two patios and trellis meet the development standards

777
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:15,400
for accessory structures, including the front interior side and rear setbacks, and that

778
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,640
concludes staff's presentation on the project back to you, Chair Brandt.

779
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:18,900
Thank you.

780
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:19,180
Okay.

781
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:19,780
Very good.

782
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:20,720
Welcome.

783
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,240
Make sure your mic's on and state your name and proceed.

784
01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:27,420
Press the, where's the, there you go.

785
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:27,740
Okay.

786
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:34,240
I'm Dennis Thompson, I'm the architect for Holly Adams, John North and their two kids.

787
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,340
Holly grew up in this house, went to Dos Pueblos High and has raised her family in New York.

788
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:47,180
She just inherited the house and she and John want to move back next year hopefully and make

789
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:49,340
the house over for their family.

790
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:58,300
It's a 65-year-old house, and I think it's pretty much reached the end of its useful life.

791
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:05,760
So we'll be taking it down to the studs, adding insulation, new windows, all new finishes.

792
01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:13,640
The house itself right now is a three-bedroom, 1,400-square-foot-one-story house, and to make

793
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,840
make it into a four-bedroom house, we're adding about 800 square feet on the back.

794
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:25,500
And we're stepping in from the existing house to follow the current setback.

795
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,480
The adjacent house is quite closer to the street than our addition.

796
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,440
This is a one-story addition to one-story house, very minor changes to the front of the house.

797
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,280
So the reason we're here is because of this encroachment and this slight encroachment.

798
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:47,260
The house doesn't have any dedicated outdoor space in the back right now, so this is patio and trellis.

799
01:04:52,520 --> 01:05:00,820
Here's the floor plan, 1960s, track house, three small bedrooms, two baths, kind of a wall separating.

800
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,120
These rooms here, garage here at the street. This is the street side.

801
01:05:06,450 --> 01:05:27,190
So a minor addition at the kitchen that will follow this roof line. A small addition here for some outdoor storage outside of the garage. And then the main addition is 800 750 square feet here with a patio for this bedroom and a patio for the living space. Some reconfiguration of the rooms here.

802
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,040
This is the best I can do for a street picture.

803
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:43,560
There's some giant junipers, which the owners want to remove a bunch of cars from the father that they will remove, and the back of the house here.

804
01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:50,760
So a very simple house, and as I said, we'll be taking out all the windows, that's what's shown with dashes here.

805
01:05:53,650 --> 01:06:02,110
And here's a street facade, similar front doors, actually the exact same front doors for sentimental value.

806
01:06:02,110 --> 01:06:08,370
this arch, sentimental value, once again they want to keep a couple of new windows on

807
01:06:08,370 --> 01:06:14,930
the front, new roof, all new plaster, siding. This is not a perfect rendition of

808
01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:23,170
colors but basically it's kind of a tan with white windows, these are fiberglass

809
01:06:23,170 --> 01:06:30,170
windows, a single roof and one color for the front doors. The

810
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:35,900
trellis, and that's

811
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:36,120
That's it.

812
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,260
All right.

813
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,600
Very good.

814
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,440
Do we have any public comment?

815
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:44,690
Thank you, Chair.

816
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:47,070
I've always received any speaker slips.

817
01:06:47,470 --> 01:06:49,030
And for any attendees on the webinar

818
01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:51,710
who wish to speak on the item, please use the raised hand

819
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:53,090
icon, and I will call upon you.

820
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,400
I've not seen any hands, Chair.

821
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:03,000
OK.

822
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,700
Then let's begin with questions for the applicant, Tamisha.

823
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,160
Yes.

824
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:08,320
Yes.

825
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:13,200
Could you play out exactly where the encroachment is?

826
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:20,820
On a site plan, it's this triangle, and this triangle of the trellis.

827
01:07:23,110 --> 01:07:25,390
Yeah, the portion of the trellis said.

828
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:30,430
Yeah, this is the setback line that's right here.

829
01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:34,270
Yeah, this is a pie-shaped lot, very difficult.

830
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:39,670
A big back-yard setback on a triangular lot makes it tough to add anything.

831
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:47,370
without blocking the the sun to the house. Well, you can't add anything on this line without the little encroachment.

832
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:51,490
I'm also trying to understand. Thank you for that, by the way.

833
01:07:51,630 --> 01:07:55,790
I try to understand where I guess how the seat is the

834
01:07:56,630 --> 01:08:00,570
The street is set up. Is this in a cul-de-sac? Is that why it's triangular?

835
01:08:01,250 --> 01:08:06,590
You know, it's a it's a curve. It's not a cul-de-sac exactly, but they have a very narrow

836
01:08:06,590 --> 01:08:11,210
So street frontage and then expands back into a pie.

837
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:14,940
That's it, thank you.

838
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,480
Dennis, any questions?

839
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,300
Yeah, just two small questions.

840
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,900
Am I correct in understanding that the tralysis free standing

841
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:23,760
doesn't touch the existing one.

842
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:24,160
That's right.

843
01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:27,640
And then on sheet A3.1, I think you're there.

844
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:32,040
There are different indications for wall finish.

845
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:37,760
Is that new plaster versus existing or all new plaster?

846
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:45,440
all new roof shingles. Well, am I missing? There's a texture here but not here. I see.

847
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:54,320
We mean to show the new addition with a different texture. So that texture on each of

848
01:08:54,320 --> 01:09:01,460
the elevations is new. There's the kitchen bump out and the bedrooms. Thank you. I understand.

849
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:03,760
Yeah, yeah. Martha, any questions?

850
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:05,380
I have no questions.

851
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:07,300
Jim, any questions?

852
01:09:07,940 --> 01:09:08,440
No questions.

853
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:09,780
Cecilia.

854
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:11,740
Okay, great.

855
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:15,060
I don't have any questions, so let's move to comments.

856
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:15,880
Tamecia.

857
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:26,440
It looks like a really lovely renovation and really nice that she's trying to keep some elements

858
01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:29,420
of the home she grew up in, the door and an arch.

859
01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:34,120
which it would have been helpful to see how that will fit in with the rest of the homes.

860
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,880
But other than that, I think it's a lovely idea.

861
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,140
Okay. Dennis, do you have comments for Dennis?

862
01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:43,000
Yeah, but she's not keeping the trucks.

863
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:50,800
I appreciate how the windows give of otherwise bland house a lot more character.

864
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,720
It's perfectly fine and reasonable.

865
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,940
and I think that they got the right architect for the job.

866
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:14,740
Martha, comments? I think it looks very nice. And the encroachment, the setback is completely reasonable. That's a really deep yard. And I think it's a good use of the space and the outdoor spaces.

867
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:29,980
Very elegant. So thank you. Jim, any comments? I would echo member DeGasis comments. It's nice. I think having driven by and looked at it. I think the neighbors will be very happy.

868
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,860
It needs a bit of love, we'll put it that way, so thank you.

869
01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:39,280
Cecilia, any comments?

870
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,500
I echo everybody else's comments.

871
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:13,260
I think the addition is perfectly handsome and works with the house and I can easily support the encroachment in the set back.

872
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:20,760
And I'm actually kind of glad that the junipers are getting,

873
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,600
while it makes kind of an interesting arch,

874
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:29,820
it's a little like, you know, going to Narnia to get to that house.

875
01:11:30,260 --> 01:11:35,420
So I think you've executed it well.

876
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:41,880
So this is for conceptual preliminary.

877
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:42,960
So now you're going to get your mod.

878
01:11:43,820 --> 01:11:46,120
So all right, somebody want to make a motion here?

879
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:57,100
I'd be willing to make a motion, but a question to staff due to the agreement of the board members, can we make this final or does it have to have this set back mod?

880
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,520
It needs to have the mod.

881
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:04,840
So today, the action would be conceptual preliminary recommendation to the zoning administrator.

882
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:26,040
All right, I will make that recommendation to the zoning administrator for preliminary approval and recommendation the adoption of the DRC and SQL findings and the SQL categorical exemption for the modification to the lot lines.

883
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:42,580
and that we conduct conceptual and preliminary review and provide these comments to that aforementioned zoning administrator made that needlessly complicated.

884
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:44,740
I'll second.

885
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:46,200
We have a second. Any discussion?

886
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:48,700
All right, we'll vote with roll call.

887
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,020
Member Van Order.

888
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:53,580
Yes.

889
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:53,740
Yes.

890
01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:55,400
Member Tickases?

891
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:55,980
Yes.

892
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:57,140
Member Brown?

893
01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:57,680
Yes.

894
01:12:58,460 --> 01:12:59,140
Member Schemacher?

895
01:12:59,560 --> 01:12:59,720
Yes.

896
01:13:00,620 --> 01:13:01,620
Vice Chair Wheeling?

897
01:13:01,940 --> 01:13:02,240
Yes.

898
01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:03,880
And Chair Branch?

899
01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:04,540
Yes.

900
01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:06,080
Thank you very much.

901
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:06,340
Okay.

902
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:06,740
Thanks.

903
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,120
A question to staff.

904
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:12,080
So this item will be coming back on the agenda for final.

905
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:13,260
That's correct.

906
01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:13,660
Right.

907
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:14,340
There's.

908
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,940
I just wanted to save them another trip back.

909
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:19,640
But if that has to happen, so be it.

910
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,440
Thank you.

911
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:22,300
Thank you.

912
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:24,560
All right, that'll take us to item C2.

913
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:27,060
Thank you, Chair.

914
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:37,260
Five, nine, five, five, Kyle, Real, Health and Development Project, case number 25-004-SUB,

915
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:49,460
Investing, Tenant of Track Map, case number 25-0010-DP, Developmental Plan, case number 25-0044-DRB,

916
01:13:49,460 --> 01:14:09,580
Design Review Board, case number 26-0014-LUP, land use permit, case number 26-0015-LUP, land use permit, case number 25-004-PHA, preliminary housing application.

917
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:12,240
Can you repeat those please?

918
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,000
I'm sorry.

919
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:17,420
Okay.

920
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,080
Decorations from the board, Tameja?

921
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:22,240
Site visit, no exparte.

922
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,780
Site visit, no exparte.

923
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:27,860
No additional site visit, no exparte.

924
01:14:28,220 --> 01:14:29,520
Site visit, no exparte.

925
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,420
Site visit, no exparte.

926
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:32,700
Is this here?

927
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:36,560
Okay.

928
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:42,960
Hi, Christine Ease, just in the nick of time, the floor is yours.

929
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:45,920
Good afternoon Chair Branch and members of the board.

930
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:52,320
I was watching from my desk, so I knew my item was on deck.

931
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,640
The project before you is located at 59.55 Kaya Real.

932
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,960
It's located next to...

933
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Mr. Bolero, Bowling, Alley, and Entertainment Center, just for reference to help you orient yourself. This project has a lot of different components to it. This project is a Housing Accountability Act project, known as SB 330. The project is using state density bonus law. All of those things have specific timelines and requirements. Staff has reviewed the project.

934
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:50,260
for consistency with the city's applicable objective standards and today the DRB's rule is to provide a recommendation to the planning commission regarding the design findings and other design related comments and recommendation for consideration by the applicant and planning commission.

935
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:56,300
Today's request is for a recommendation regarding conceptual and preliminary review.

936
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,900
You may recall that this project was seen before your board on the July 14 meeting.

937
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:07,700
At that time, the board had provided several comments on the design of the project.

938
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:13,820
Some of the concerns raised at that meeting include the streetscape elevation, not having

939
01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:14,960
a unique identity.

940
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:20,020
The amount of open space was not enough for the future residents, additional comments

941
01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:24,120
focused on the farmhouse design, which was thought to not fit in well with the surroundings.

942
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:31,040
The board suggested a more varied and articulated architecture and color variation to be incorporated

943
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,040
into the project.

944
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:37,480
The board identified some of the landscape trees that may be incompatible with the local

945
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:37,940
climate.

946
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,000
The board suggested that the live work unit should have more identity.

947
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,740
The board thought the aesthetics were too top-heavy while the bottom feels very dark aesthetically

948
01:16:47,740 --> 01:16:53,760
and had concerns with the colors and materials, just refreshing your memory on the July 14th

949
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:59,380
The applicant since then has redesigned the projects with those comments in mind.

950
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:04,860
They have submitted a specific page addressing those comments, which I'm sure the applicant

951
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:09,780
and their team will be talking more about that was provided in the packet, so that's available

952
01:17:09,780 --> 01:17:11,600
available to the public as well as the board.

953
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,800
Now on to the specific project.

954
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,220
Projects total floor area would be 68,612 square feet.

955
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:27,320
Comprising of 44, 3-bedroom, 3-bedroom, 3-bedroom, 3-bedroom units with attached to car garage,

956
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:33,860
2-3-bedroom, 3-bedroom live work units with also attached to car garages, a dog park,

957
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,800
shaded picnic and grilling area.

958
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:44,020
The project doesn't meet the city's requirements for mixed use development, open space standards, setbacks in landscaping.

959
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:51,340
The entitlements required for this project are a tentative track map, design review, development plan and

960
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:58,660
two land use permits for the live work units, and as mentioned the planning commission will be acting as the review authority on the project.

961
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:04,100
They have asked for one concession and three waivers.

962
01:18:04,260 --> 01:18:06,060
Those are listed in the staff report.

963
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:11,800
And the DRB can provide comment and

964
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:17,000
input regarding design related matters on the project that do not reduce its density or

965
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,400
differ from the objective standards.

966
01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:24,060
Those would be setbacks height, density, established by the city or

967
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:26,520
Authorized by state law, such as density bonus.

968
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:32,100
Sorry, I'm trying to summarize as well as I can.

969
01:18:32,660 --> 01:18:40,300
The environmental review for this project, the applicant has invoked Assembly Bill 130, AB 130.

970
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,300
AB 130 establishes a statutory exemption for

971
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:50,640
qualifying housing development projects that meet specific infill density and site eligibility criteria.

972
01:18:50,640 --> 01:19:01,500
This project, as staff has found to meet that criteria, so there are, so no further

973
01:19:02,180 --> 01:19:09,220
sequa analysis would be required of this project, sort of with a asterisks there.

974
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:14,180
There are a couple of things that will be required on the conditions of approval for

975
01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:14,620
the project.

976
01:19:15,220 --> 01:19:25,300
the next steps for this would be planning commission hearing for review for all components of the project and with that I'll turn it back over to the board.

977
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,100
I will be here to answer any questions on the project. Thank you.

978
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:33,400
Okay. Welcome back. State your name for the record and proceed.

979
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:40,280
Thank you. It's going to be back. My name is Nick Patterson with City Ventures. I do want to appreciate you guys taking the time to review this again.

980
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:48,980
I know that's last time there's a lot of, you know, constructive criticism and we do take that to heart and we do appreciate you guys going through the project in such detail.

981
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:59,940
And we feel that we've done that as we've gone back through the plans and really tried to, you know, meet all of your suggestions, recommendations, and hopefully...

982
01:20:00,690 --> 01:20:28,750
Resolve any concerns that there have been. To begin with, I'll just kind of go over high level site plan. Changes that we've been made. We also have our architects, Anthony Corbin from KTGY on the Zoom call. He's going to be speaking more about the technical elevation changes and differences that we have made from the previous farmhouse style to what we have today. So kind of going into just the site plan initially.

983
01:20:28,750 --> 01:20:36,050
I know a lot of the concern was regarding the live work units, which are along Kyrielle.

984
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:43,190
So what we did here, they are still in buildings four and five in units 24 and 25.

985
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:49,950
What we did here is actually shift the rest of the buildings a little bit farther south, six and seven.

986
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:57,770
We were able to get a parking space in here to help with those commercial spaces to have a little bit close over walk for

987
01:20:57,770 --> 01:21:02,370
or anyone that is visiting those live work units.

988
01:21:03,070 --> 01:21:06,590
And I also just want to know these will be more so low intensity

989
01:21:07,190 --> 01:21:12,570
appointment only kind of commercial areas, like law offices or

990
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:15,870
accountants and so there will be a little bit more planning that is done around it.

991
01:21:16,230 --> 01:21:19,010
But we did want to just make sure that we did get a parking space that was closer.

992
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:23,870
And so we have been able to accommodate that between buildings five and six.

993
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:27,510
A little bit more on those live work units.

994
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:33,050
We have increased the patios just slightly to kind of create a little bit of a buffer

995
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:34,790
for the rest of the residential units behind.

996
01:21:35,550 --> 01:21:41,650
And as well as give more of an outdoor fuel and outdoor use to those commercial spaces so

997
01:21:41,650 --> 01:21:43,510
they can have seating out there if they would like.

998
01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:53,230
And then we have in the landscape plan created much more of a buffer and kind of a landscape

999
01:21:53,230 --> 01:22:04,150
screening along these buildings, which really helps to block any public use that's not coming into the commercial spaces and not part of the residential project as well.

1000
01:22:05,330 --> 01:22:09,890
So we've made those plan changes, just looking through.

1001
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:20,750
We have adjusted the building roofs as well to add more pitch and it did help lower the units just slightly.

1002
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:27,590
They are still about the 35-foot height limit, but they do have more slope into them and

1003
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:34,170
a little bit darker of a color here to kind of help break up that contrast, as well as just

1004
01:22:34,170 --> 01:22:39,670
create a little bit nicer of a streetscape here. At this time, I'll turn it over to Anthony Corbin

1005
01:22:39,670 --> 01:22:44,910
from KTGUI to kind of talk through a little bit more of the architectural changes, materials

1006
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:49,950
and elevations. Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Can everyone hear me okay?

1007
01:22:49,950 --> 01:22:51,350
Yep, we can hear you.

1008
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:52,130
Awesome.

1009
01:22:52,930 --> 01:22:55,230
Nick, do you mind flipping a sheet three, please?

1010
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:58,630
So that we can take a look at the design elements.

1011
01:23:01,090 --> 01:23:03,070
So again, I'm Anthony Corbin with KTGY.

1012
01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:05,070
I'm part of the architectural team for the project.

1013
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:06,290
It's nice to see everyone again.

1014
01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:10,570
As Nick mentioned, the biggest change was the overall architectural direction.

1015
01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:14,070
We heard the concern that the previous design felt too farmhouse driven

1016
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:17,830
and did not relate strongly enough to Kaya Real.

1017
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:20,930
So we were provided a recently approved retail project

1018
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:25,390
that helped guide us to a more contemporary, more progressive architecture the city was hoping for.

1019
01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:29,950
So we use that as a design cue to move toward a cleaner and more contemporary residential

1020
01:23:29,950 --> 01:23:34,670
expression that still felt appropriate for town homes while still relating more strongly to the

1021
01:23:34,670 --> 01:23:40,670
commercial corridor. We refine the buildings with simpler compositions, stronger massing,

1022
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:47,110
warmer materials, and more deliberate articulation. We incorporated recess balconies,

1023
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:52,170
projecting wall planes, roof transitions, and material changes to help break down the longer

1024
01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:57,950
elevations and create more depth and rhythm. The material palette was also refined to feel more

1025
01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:02,670
cohesive. A dark brick base helps to ground the buildings while standing scene metal roof elements

1026
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:09,190
add variation and a more contemporary expression at the roof line. At the ground floor, wood toned patio

1027
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:14,690
walls introduced warmth and a more natural character while tying back to the horizontal fiber cement

1028
01:24:14,690 --> 01:24:18,470
exciting. So the overall confidence is still felt coordinated rather than piecemeal.

1029
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:25,450
We also focused heavily on the live work frontage along Kairial. The ground floor,

1030
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:29,990
live work spaces are part of the residential units, but we gave them a more intentional street

1031
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:36,150
presence with storefront style glazing, integrated signage, metal awnings, trails and elements,

1032
01:24:36,670 --> 01:24:42,270
and strong ground floor articulation. The goal was to create a more active and commercially

1033
01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:45,450
compatible edge along Kairial while keeping the overall project

1034
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:50,970
bigger than the residential. Overall the revised design is intended to feel

1035
01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:55,650
more contemporary, more cohesive, and more responsive to the character of Kairial.

1036
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:59,890
We appreciate the board's previous feedback and look forward to your comments on the revised.

1037
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:01,860
Thank you.

1038
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:08,270
Thank you very much. Anything else you'd like to go over?

1039
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:24,230
Okay. Do we have any public comment? Thank you, Chair. I have not received any speaker slips. For attendees on the zoo webinar who wish to speak on the item, please use the raise hand icon, and I will call on you.

1040
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:37,020
There, I see no hands. Okay, so we'll get into questions. Tamisha, any questions for the applicant?

1041
01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:37,520
Thank you.

1042
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,120
No, thank you.

1043
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:40,980
Dennis?

1044
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,000
A question for staff.

1045
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,040
Under the state bonus density law,

1046
01:25:48,260 --> 01:25:53,100
I assume that there is a maximum number of public meetings.

1047
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,020
If so, which meeting is this, Ms. McGuire?

1048
01:25:58,020 --> 01:25:59,140
Thank you, Vice Chair Whalen.

1049
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,680
That is through the SB 330 that the applicant has on file with us.

1050
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,260
There's a maximum of five public hearings.

1051
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,440
This is hearing number one.

1052
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:15,120
Since last time that you have reviewed the project, the project has attained completeness.

1053
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:22,160
And so now once the project is complete, there's a five, a hard and fast five public hearing.

1054
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:25,800
And that does include any potential appeals.

1055
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:26,700
Thank you.

1056
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:30,790
Martha, any questions?

1057
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:40,010
I do have a question, and it's also for staff, and it's regarding the shading calculation.

1058
01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:49,890
I don't recall exactly last meeting if driveways were included in the requirement for shading.

1059
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:51,310
Can you answer that?

1060
01:26:52,170 --> 01:26:53,630
Thank you, member DeGasis.

1061
01:26:53,630 --> 01:27:07,750
I do recall that from the last meeting and Miss Prassie and I were looking through our code to find out if that was included and the driveways are included as part of that.

1062
01:27:09,070 --> 01:27:17,710
So a question to Mr. Patterson, then you're shading calculation sheet, the number of which

1063
01:27:17,710 --> 01:27:27,490
I don't recall, does not account for the driveway having shading, which I'll reserve

1064
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:34,890
what I think should be done for comments, but I think it's a separate sheet you have there

1065
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:47,150
that indicates shading on the parking spaces only I think and I do have another question

1066
01:27:47,150 --> 01:27:56,990
that site plan related if you could flip over to any of the site plans and it's there's

1067
01:27:56,990 --> 01:28:01,650
a nice maybe the landscape plan if you don't mind that

1068
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:13,030
will work along with the wall

1069
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:22,010
plants there's the common space area is here and then there's also an area that

1070
01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:31,390
appears to be walled off the wall diagram indicated that the CMU block wall

1071
01:28:31,390 --> 01:28:38,270
was has a little terminus here and here is that space designated to be

1072
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:40,710
Anything in particular?

1073
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:49,150
Yes, so on the end, these lighter green areas are the patios, the outdoor patios there.

1074
01:28:49,330 --> 01:28:55,850
So these walls are about 36 or 40 inches for patio walls there.

1075
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:57,910
And this is just open space.

1076
01:28:58,730 --> 01:29:04,030
There are air conditioning units that are down there and it's kind of the end of the drive.

1077
01:29:04,030 --> 01:29:09,370
So it's not going to be used as part of any private space for these two units there.

1078
01:29:09,730 --> 01:29:15,850
Okay, and on your wall-infencing plan, it did look like it was the concrete block wall.

1079
01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:22,290
That would be along the property line here to just help give some division and some privacy

1080
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:24,330
and security against the car washlets.

1081
01:29:24,670 --> 01:29:28,690
Okay, and if you turned to your wall plan, maybe I was just reading that wrong.

1082
01:29:29,330 --> 01:29:32,370
It looked like it was the heavy red line that

1083
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:36,010
indicated the perimeter wall,

1084
01:29:39,190 --> 01:29:44,310
yeah, these two little wing bits here, and there as well.

1085
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:49,770
Yeah, those should be blue, and I believe this one down here as well.

1086
01:29:49,770 --> 01:29:51,750
Okay, so that's just a little drafting thing.

1087
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:59,570
And then also on, if you could flip back to the landscape site plan.

1088
01:30:01,420 --> 01:30:19,180
So these little planters that are at the dividing line between the garages, those look like they're about four feet wide and deep, something like that. Maybe a little more.

1089
01:30:21,340 --> 01:30:30,360
Yeah, these little, they're these, they're these little planters at each unit. Garage units.

1090
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:40,720
But I'm just going to go back to the street scape here there, that street scape because

1091
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:48,380
you have this overhang, you just have shrubs there as I understand it so.

1092
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:49,440
Correct.

1093
01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:56,960
It was just to help with an initial drive in, I believe, a comment in the previous hearing

1094
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,260
was that there was just a lot of massing and a lot of it kind of felt like a

1095
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:06,080
canyon that you're driving through I think and so we just wanted to include

1096
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,880
plantings through here to help kind of break that up and soften the drive.

1097
01:31:10,540 --> 01:31:16,880
And it appears that the shrubbery that's proposed there is something that might be

1098
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:22,840
three feet tall or so. Yeah it would be like a potted plant or a potted shrub

1099
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,640
that does not reach to the, to the overhang there.

1100
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,920
Yeah, and the overhang would completely cover

1101
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:34,620
that planning area or partially cover that planning area.

1102
01:31:35,020 --> 01:31:38,240
The projection of that story above the garage level

1103
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,940
is to the curb.

1104
01:31:41,660 --> 01:31:41,860
Correct.

1105
01:31:42,180 --> 01:31:42,240
Yep.

1106
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:42,600
OK.

1107
01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:47,280
I think those are what I have.

1108
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,220
OK.

1109
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:49,860
Jim, any questions?

1110
01:31:49,860 --> 01:31:58,360
questions. Yes, thank you. At the last hearing, I seem to remember the request coming up

1111
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:03,720
for a view of the project as it faces Kyrie Al. Do we have that?

1112
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,180
We do not. No, it's not part of the, they're underings there.

1113
01:32:08,620 --> 01:32:09,400
There's a reason why.

1114
01:32:11,820 --> 01:32:13,220
I do not believe so.

1115
01:32:15,220 --> 01:32:18,160
Okay, so yeah, I just didn't get done.

1116
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,060
Can you turn to the cover sheet with the image?

1117
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:35,400
Would it be fair to say that the part of the two structures there on the right of the

1118
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:42,040
image adjacent to the road would be indicative of the elevation on Chyria?

1119
01:32:43,380 --> 01:32:49,120
you're referring to these. Yes, this would be Kyriell here as you're and this would be a project

1120
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:54,200
entrance driving in. So while we don't have a straight-on elevation we do have a perspective

1121
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:58,310
view of the view of Kyriell. Correct.

1122
01:33:03,050 --> 01:33:08,270
See, I'm telling off of another question that was asked by

1123
01:33:08,270 --> 01:33:15,490
Remember the gazes you you responded that part of an open area public open area was for air conditioning units.

1124
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:21,090
Are there any roof mounted or are they all going to be sight mounted?

1125
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:25,890
They're all sight mounted and so they're shown kind of on the sides of the buildings.

1126
01:33:26,510 --> 01:33:32,210
This was done so we could have more pitched roofs here before we had mechanical wells.

1127
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:37,370
And so this we're able to bring the building heights down a little bit as well as

1128
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:42,750
add more kind of undulation to those roofs and then all of those air conditioning units will be

1129
01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:47,050
screened with landscaping for many public right away and something that we've done before we've

1130
01:33:47,610 --> 01:33:53,090
with other landscaping or kind of other materials that we can there. So they're dispersed we're

1131
01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:58,170
not looking at farms of correct to use. I think the max is four that it will be together

1132
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:03,110
at that point you just run into different issues with running air conditioning lines across multiple

1133
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:06,810
different homes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It becomes infeasible.

1134
01:34:11,470 --> 01:34:13,550
Okay. That's it. Thank you. I'll reserve

1135
01:34:13,550 --> 01:34:25,730
the rest for comment. Cecilia, any questions? Thank you. On the eastern side of the project, there's

1136
01:34:25,730 --> 01:34:27,770
I thought I saw a fence someplace in the.

1137
01:34:28,710 --> 01:34:30,710
You're referring to the back.

1138
01:34:30,910 --> 01:34:31,050
Was there.

1139
01:34:32,630 --> 01:34:33,250
On this.

1140
01:34:33,650 --> 01:34:34,350
Oh, the side.

1141
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:35,510
Sorry.

1142
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:36,490
The background.

1143
01:34:36,650 --> 01:34:38,330
Can I make sure you're speaking in the secret.

1144
01:34:38,650 --> 01:34:40,850
But it's

1145
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:44,680
not working.

1146
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:46,740
There's no fear to be.

1147
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:54,860
So is it a fence?

1148
01:34:55,460 --> 01:34:56,120
What is the?

1149
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:57,060
Oh, sorry.

1150
01:34:57,260 --> 01:34:58,320
I didn't understand the question.

1151
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,320
Yeah, it is.

1152
01:34:59,320 --> 01:34:59,660
Zah!

1153
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,590
It's a block wall. Oh, I, because I saw a fence someplace in the, in the drawings, I thought. Yeah, what is, is that? So this block wall here is what runs along the Eastern property line, Eastern Western, Southern. And how, how high is that block wall? That is a six feet tall. So how far is that block wall from the residents? I don't know the exact measurement, but at least

1154
01:35:30,610 --> 01:35:36,170
five feet, sorry, are you asking from the edge of their patio walls or from their front doors?

1155
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:38,230
I don't know, what is the difference?

1156
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:42,110
Well, there's about six feet of depth for each of the patios.

1157
01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:48,390
So I would say from their patio walls, it's probably, you know, it's five to eight feet and

1158
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:50,610
then plus another additional six feet from their front doors.

1159
01:35:51,190 --> 01:35:53,850
Can I ask you why using a block wall on that side?

1160
01:35:53,850 --> 01:36:07,870
Yeah, given that it is a commercial area, with all this parking that's here for the commercial use here, you're not going to want to put a slatted fence like this, that's leaking in lights and

1161
01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:11,330
fuels front doors, just adds a little bit more privacy as well.

1162
01:36:11,770 --> 01:36:12,350
No, it's too.

1163
01:36:12,750 --> 01:36:13,430
Yeah, going through.

1164
01:36:15,010 --> 01:36:15,410
Okay.

1165
01:36:15,850 --> 01:36:18,550
I'd like to ask you a question about the landscaping at the front.

1166
01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:24,330
One of the diagrams that I saw shows that there are, I guess they're trees, I can't really

1167
01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:26,330
tell, I don't have this looking.

1168
01:36:27,090 --> 01:36:33,630
And the question is, it looks like because these projects are what, ten feet from the sidewalk,

1169
01:36:34,090 --> 01:36:37,470
I guess, on Kairial, right, they're ten feet, or is it ten feet from the curb?

1170
01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:39,470
10 feet from the curb.

1171
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:40,330
Okay.

1172
01:36:40,630 --> 01:36:41,530
So from the sidewalk.

1173
01:36:41,710 --> 01:36:42,970
From the sidewalk.

1174
01:36:43,150 --> 01:36:43,590
From the sidewalk.

1175
01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:45,270
You know what?

1176
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:46,290
I can't see where you're pointing.

1177
01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:47,010
Sorry.

1178
01:36:47,250 --> 01:36:47,690
Can you move that?

1179
01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:48,290
I can use that.

1180
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:49,290
Oh, it's off screen.

1181
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:49,650
Yeah.

1182
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:50,510
You need to move that.

1183
01:36:50,590 --> 01:36:50,930
There.

1184
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:51,310
Okay.

1185
01:36:51,710 --> 01:36:52,810
So here you have.

1186
01:36:53,050 --> 01:36:56,470
And these are, I presume, trees that are that you've got planted here.

1187
01:36:56,970 --> 01:36:57,350
Correct.

1188
01:36:57,470 --> 01:36:58,030
These are trees.

1189
01:36:58,530 --> 01:36:58,710
Okay.

1190
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:59,750
So these trees.

1191
01:37:00,670 --> 01:37:04,350
Is this shrubbery going to be covering Kyriel at maturity?

1192
01:37:05,050 --> 01:37:05,970
What's happening here?

1193
01:37:06,690 --> 01:37:09,910
Are you saying if there's going to be overhanging as it's kind of shown in this?

1194
01:37:11,330 --> 01:37:15,330
I would imagine so, I mean, we don't have that calculation, but what we do is we plant

1195
01:37:15,330 --> 01:37:17,390
mature trees along this.

1196
01:37:17,690 --> 01:37:22,310
So we'll eventually, when they do grow, there could be overhanging along Kyriault.

1197
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:24,330
That can be part of an of maintenance agreement.

1198
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:28,330
I'm just going to make a comment, because I walk this area a lot, I'm a walker.

1199
01:37:28,810 --> 01:37:35,230
So it's a problem when there is vegetation in the sidewalk area, because then you're walking

1200
01:37:35,230 --> 01:37:38,230
around it and it shouldn't it shouldn't be that way and that's going to be my

1201
01:37:38,230 --> 01:37:41,330
comment here so I don't know what you're going to do what your what your plans are

1202
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:44,390
for that particular area but that's it's going to be my comment because that's a

1203
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:48,970
big thing because I'm always dodgy landscape when I walk around yeah completely

1204
01:37:48,970 --> 01:37:56,970
understanding okay and the other question so not a no fence and the other than the

1205
01:37:58,330 --> 01:38:03,850
so ten feet from the sidewalk you have these trees and what else is in that

1206
01:38:04,730 --> 01:38:06,670
in that area, right at the front.

1207
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:10,570
Yeah, so showing along here is actually kind of a hedge

1208
01:38:11,690 --> 01:38:13,330
that's all, that's going to be all landscape,

1209
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:15,090
all plantings here.

1210
01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:18,330
That kind of just helps give this yard here

1211
01:38:18,330 --> 01:38:20,990
a little bit more of a private feel that people can use.

1212
01:38:21,330 --> 01:38:21,650
Oh, wait a minute.

1213
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:24,290
I thought these were the two commercial units at the front, right?

1214
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:24,710
Correct.

1215
01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:25,770
They're the live work units.

1216
01:38:26,330 --> 01:38:28,830
So there's going to be a hedge that sort of separates them

1217
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:29,910
from the sidewalk.

1218
01:38:30,190 --> 01:38:30,970
I guess I'm having.

1219
01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:36,650
Yeah, so to access them from the outside, you can walk down the sidewalk here, but it just gives a little bit more privacy

1220
01:38:37,110 --> 01:38:41,250
For people if they are using these they are still the can be used as homes

1221
01:38:42,130 --> 01:38:43,310
So just want to have

1222
01:38:43,970 --> 01:38:45,190
Kind of the best of both roads there

1223
01:38:47,870 --> 01:38:54,610
So is there is there going to be any gate in the block walls to allow people some people who live in this sort of

1224
01:38:55,570 --> 01:38:57,870
I don't know the southern part of this project

1225
01:38:57,870 --> 01:39:02,050
So they won't have to walk to the front if they want to go to the bowling alley.

1226
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:03,730
They could go through a gate to the-

1227
01:39:04,150 --> 01:39:07,950
There is not currently a gate proposed in the block.

1228
01:39:08,530 --> 01:39:13,230
So on the other side is going to be also a block wall, the entire length of the project?

1229
01:39:13,630 --> 01:39:14,030
Correct.

1230
01:39:14,630 --> 01:39:14,770
Yes.

1231
01:39:15,550 --> 01:39:21,790
Partially due to this easement that's going to be remaining that's used for egress,

1232
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:23,490
for the car wash and gas station there.

1233
01:39:23,490 --> 01:39:28,290
I just want to provide safety for residents as they're walking around.

1234
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:33,480
Those are the only questions I have for Nell, thank you.

1235
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:38,260
Okay, let's move to comments, Tamisha.

1236
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,780
Hi, I did have one question.

1237
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:47,940
The horizontal sort of accent area that you have in front of all of the units.

1238
01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:49,800
What is that going to be made of?

1239
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,260
Is it building material question on the elevations, do you mean?

1240
01:39:54,260 --> 01:39:55,200
Yes, yes.

1241
01:40:05,940 --> 01:40:30,400
Are you talking about this material up here? No, down on the kind of front. Oh, this? The fence or the? Yes, not the green. The brown horizontal separation kind of. Yes, so that's going to be a wood fence. There. The height of that I believe would be 36.

1242
01:40:31,260 --> 01:40:42,080
Okay. And the wall surrounding the property is going to be made of, what, cinder block, or?

1243
01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:51,660
Not cinder block, it's a split-face rock and it comes in many different colors and kind of styles.

1244
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:54,340
Okay, so something a little decorative, not correct.

1245
01:40:54,340 --> 01:40:55,920
Yeah, it's not in a way.

1246
01:40:56,980 --> 01:41:01,460
All right, so my comments are that this definitely to me,

1247
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,060
at least looks a lot more interesting

1248
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:04,340
than your prior design.

1249
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:10,000
I do appreciate the kind of visual interest

1250
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,800
with the balconies and looks like little pop outs

1251
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,660
of things and there's balconies.

1252
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:20,560
And my only concern is those, you know,

1253
01:41:20,660 --> 01:41:23,240
everyone right now loves these horizontal fences.

1254
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,420
I'm just curious, you know, what that's going to be made of because over time I've seen

1255
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:33,660
them warp and look kind of, you know, five or ten years down the line, it doesn't look

1256
01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:34,660
as nice and trendy.

1257
01:41:36,860 --> 01:41:44,360
But I'm also a little disappointed that it's still so dense, but I understand that's how

1258
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:44,900
you make money.

1259
01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:54,040
It would be nice to see a little bit more green space and more of our neighborhood feel

1260
01:41:54,040 --> 01:42:02,260
versus just kind of, you know, rows and rows of buildings basically.

1261
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:11,540
But I do like also the changes you've made to the unit in the front, the live work unit.

1262
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:20,240
A little concern that it's so close to the sidewalk on Caliareal, but if it's supposed

1263
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,880
to be perceived as a business, maybe that's not so bad either.

1264
01:42:25,180 --> 01:42:26,880
And that's about it.

1265
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:28,980
Okay.

1266
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:30,220
Dennis Cummins?

1267
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:31,320
Yes.

1268
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,060
A question for staff.

1269
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,140
Ms. McGuire, you mentioned concessions and waivers.

1270
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,780
Could you specify what those are, please?

1271
01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:43,430
Thank you, Vice Chair Wail.

1272
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:45,030
And sure, I'd be happy to go over those.

1273
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:50,770
There is one, this project is eligible for one concession based on the affordability level

1274
01:42:50,770 --> 01:42:51,670
that they have proposed.

1275
01:42:52,350 --> 01:42:58,490
They are choosing to use their one concession to increase the inclusionary housing ordinance

1276
01:42:58,490 --> 01:43:05,370
quantity of very low units, from 2.5% to 5% and lower the quantity of low income units from

1277
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:07,910
5% to 2.5%.

1278
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,350
That's just math and money.

1279
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:17,750
So that's one concession, they have asked for three waivers.

1280
01:43:18,410 --> 01:43:25,450
The three waivers are exceeding the height limit by four feet to a maximum of 39 feet.

1281
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:28,690
Actually, I apologize, I think the maximum is now 38 feet.

1282
01:43:31,790 --> 01:43:35,410
38 feet, I'll have to make a note to update this.

1283
01:43:35,970 --> 01:43:39,310
I did not note that with the revised changes.

1284
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:50,370
So normally the height is 35 feet in this zone, and the maximum height they're proposing is now 37 and a half feet or 38, 37 and a half feet.

1285
01:43:50,510 --> 01:43:59,710
So two and a half foot height increase, reducing the common bicycle charging outlets from five to zero, that still remains.

1286
01:43:59,710 --> 01:44:07,750
Reducing the parking lot, heat island standards, previously they did add a little more to that.

1287
01:44:07,930 --> 01:44:16,390
They went from 40% to 56.9% and those are the waivers.

1288
01:44:16,570 --> 01:44:21,230
Again, those things are not, they deviate from the city standards but

1289
01:44:21,230 --> 01:44:28,510
they can't be considered for year purposes or the planning commissions purposes.

1290
01:44:28,510 --> 01:44:34,050
as they can't be deemed to be incompatible with the general plan or the zoning ordinance

1291
01:44:34,050 --> 01:44:36,130
because it is a state waiver.

1292
01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:39,590
Very good, it's very helpful, thank you.

1293
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:49,360
I can't support this project as proposed as none of the major issues that we addressed

1294
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:57,860
were really, I think, substantially addressed such and the biggest one is the open space.

1295
01:44:57,860 --> 01:44:59,960
There's really...

1296
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,460
None.

1297
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:09,840
And that didn't change and wasn't addressed. I mean, there's a token strip on the

1298
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:16,320
side next to the car wash. I just don't think that that's an appropriate open space for

1299
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:29,040
such a dense housing. The streetscape at the Kaya Rail, yes, you did address that, but

1300
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:45,500
But it has a wall in front of it and it was only the ground floor for my impression or my interpretation of the comment was that the entire three story facade should have a distinct and unique identity.

1301
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:46,580
I

1302
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:56,060
don't think the architecture has been articulated and changed that much.

1303
01:45:56,900 --> 01:46:02,560
As Member Schumacher said, it's an awfully dense proposal.

1304
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:12,000
I don't see how that the design is compatible with its neighborhood or even Galita.

1305
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:23,700
you moved away from Galita Farmhouse to more something you characterized as modern farmhouse.

1306
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,360
I'm just not sure what that is.

1307
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:37,330
I just don't agree with the aesthetics and the density which I think is, which is not part

1308
01:46:37,330 --> 01:46:40,090
of our purview, but those are my comments.

1309
01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:50,130
Yeah, I appreciate the change in materials and the color, the change in the color ways.

1310
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:56,110
I think that's a big improvement, the siding, board and bat siding and so on.

1311
01:46:56,370 --> 01:47:07,070
I think where last time that pediment or lower floor dark material seemed a little offensive,

1312
01:47:07,070 --> 01:47:11,910
I think now it seems to support the materials better

1313
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:14,490
and reflects the roof color in a nice way.

1314
01:47:15,550 --> 01:47:21,270
I like the storefront windows on Kairial and the 10-foot

1315
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:24,270
planning area, of course I always wish they were more.

1316
01:47:25,150 --> 01:47:28,990
I think one thing that was a little disingenuous on both the cover sheet

1317
01:47:28,990 --> 01:47:32,190
and this view is that we're looking at the project

1318
01:47:32,190 --> 01:47:36,110
as if we're seeing it from the backyards

1319
01:47:36,110 --> 01:47:49,070
where I would like to see the imagery reflect what we're going to see from looking down

1320
01:47:49,670 --> 01:47:58,030
that driveway area from Kyrie, and again, it's going to look really severe, I think, and

1321
01:47:58,030 --> 01:48:04,930
And if we go to the landscape plans maybe, and I'm going to continue to harp about

1322
01:48:04,930 --> 01:48:13,170
this shading requirement for the driveways, which is not met in any way, you've been

1323
01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:19,570
very careful about doing your shading calc on the parking lot and so on, which you're met,

1324
01:48:19,770 --> 01:48:20,190
of course.

1325
01:48:20,190 --> 01:48:28,970
but I think this is going to have a very severe effect with all the garage doors opening

1326
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:36,030
out onto that central drive and no treescape at all. And my comment would be if there's

1327
01:48:36,030 --> 01:48:50,170
any way to get your shading requirement met by trees along there, I think it would go

1328
01:48:50,170 --> 01:48:57,590
I think the plant pallets find, I think the building materials in the wall materials are

1329
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:57,910
fine.

1330
01:48:58,090 --> 01:49:05,350
I think the fact that you have eliminated the uplating is great just using pedestrian scale

1331
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:08,230
ballers is an ice idea.

1332
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:18,510
It looks like the dog area maybe you shrank in order to get that extra parking in before

1333
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:23,440
before I don't need to go into that again.

1334
01:49:26,740 --> 01:49:31,920
People currently, I believe, are parking along the edge.

1335
01:49:32,940 --> 01:49:33,860
Right there, yeah.

1336
01:49:34,420 --> 01:49:35,940
And that's going to be eliminated.

1337
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,380
I think it's maybe good to point that out.

1338
01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:42,960
Yeah, it's too dense.

1339
01:49:43,220 --> 01:49:44,580
I don't know what we can do about that.

1340
01:49:44,980 --> 01:49:46,840
Their hands are kind of tied with that,

1341
01:49:46,980 --> 01:49:49,320
but I think you can do a lot by

1342
01:49:51,140 --> 01:49:57,760
softening that effect from Kaira, when you come back, I think we're all gonna want to see what that's like.

1343
01:49:58,540 --> 01:49:59,940
You did a fly-over before.

1344
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,480
Or I think, did you? Or was that your other, did you do the little fly by or was that your other project?

1345
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:29,980
Yeah, so yeah, we're going to want to see what that's like. Looking down that driveway. That's all. Jim. Thank you. One of the comments that I specifically was interested from our last view or our last

1346
01:50:29,980 --> 01:50:36,540
meaning was would it look like from Kyrie Al and that's why I asked about it when we were in the

1347
01:50:36,540 --> 01:50:37,260
question period.

1348
01:50:40,180 --> 01:50:46,700
While the rendering on the front side is appreciated it's also very telling.

1349
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:53,380
Before I get into that I will say I do appreciate the looking at the materials,

1350
01:50:53,940 --> 01:50:58,340
making some adjustments but if I could if you could turn to that front side

1351
01:50:59,980 --> 01:51:01,700
to make a comment? Yeah, the cover sheet.

1352
01:51:05,890 --> 01:51:10,170
I appreciate the attempt, and I do mean that

1353
01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:14,690
very strongly attempt. I don't think it was very successful to sort of push and pull

1354
01:51:14,690 --> 01:51:19,870
the elevations specifically as it presents itself to the public side, which is Kaya Rial,

1355
01:51:20,230 --> 01:51:26,750
but I don't think it's enough. I don't think it's proper. You've got these gable ends, which

1356
01:51:26,750 --> 01:51:31,350
which feels very residential that don't face Cairo Real and then you've got this flat

1357
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:40,190
facade which doesn't evoke residential that faces really the public side of it.

1358
01:51:41,490 --> 01:51:49,890
What's being presented to Cairo Real is to me a very urban look, not Galita and there's

1359
01:51:49,890 --> 01:51:51,410
nothing about Galita that is urban.

1360
01:51:51,410 --> 01:52:00,950
And I would appreciate a little lower pop-outs on the second floor here and there.

1361
01:52:03,650 --> 01:52:10,110
But it's just a very weak gesture, we'll put it that way.

1362
01:52:13,070 --> 01:52:20,070
I think it's not really, I don't really like the term modern farmhouse.

1363
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:22,690
to me, every farmhouse when it was built was modern.

1364
01:52:23,670 --> 01:52:24,570
At the time, it was built.

1365
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:29,630
So I really hope I don't hear that term again

1366
01:52:29,630 --> 01:52:31,610
relates to this project because it has nothing

1367
01:52:31,610 --> 01:52:32,450
to do with farmhouse.

1368
01:52:34,770 --> 01:52:36,750
I think I would agree with Member DeGasis

1369
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:38,730
comment about the shading along the driveway.

1370
01:52:38,930 --> 01:52:42,170
I think that it's definitely needed.

1371
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:43,250
It's going to help this.

1372
01:52:44,110 --> 01:52:45,970
Now, as far as materials, I appreciate,

1373
01:52:46,250 --> 01:52:48,030
which I mentioned before, I appreciate

1374
01:52:48,030 --> 01:52:54,250
the move towards materials and looking at some other projects in the area where the

1375
01:52:54,250 --> 01:53:02,810
materials were reviewed by the board. But on the third level here, why is there

1376
01:53:02,810 --> 01:53:07,350
plywood between the two tall windows? To me, that's exactly what that looks like

1377
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:14,750
and that is not a good look. I think I do think there's a missed opportunity. Again,

1378
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:20,970
And with these, you're turning a flat facade to the public where you have these nice

1379
01:53:20,970 --> 01:53:26,370
cushion poles of gables on the facade that is facing the parking lot.

1380
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:31,870
I think, you know, I'm not here to design it for you, but I don't know why you can't

1381
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:36,210
treat that side of the building in a similar fashion.

1382
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:42,210
It just, these buildings look like a run-on sentence when it comes to facing Kyrielle.

1383
01:53:42,210 --> 01:53:47,190
And again, I'll repeat, you're presenting a very urban edge

1384
01:53:47,530 --> 01:53:49,370
in an area that is not urban.

1385
01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:55,670
So for those reasons, I don't support this project at this point.

1386
01:53:56,410 --> 01:53:56,710
Thank you.

1387
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:58,970
Cecilia, comments?

1388
01:53:59,490 --> 01:53:59,730
This

1389
01:54:03,630 --> 01:54:04,370
project a lot.

1390
01:54:05,290 --> 01:54:12,480
And my first thought is, it's just totally not compatible here

1391
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:13,500
because it's all commercial.

1392
01:54:13,940 --> 01:54:21,760
And here we add an element of residential units, which there's kind of like no connection

1393
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,600
with anything there.

1394
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:33,540
So I don't know how you go with that, but it's just, I mean, you know, and landscaping,

1395
01:54:33,620 --> 01:54:37,660
the landscaping, I'm thinking along, Cairo, you know, what's going to happen to that over

1396
01:54:37,660 --> 01:54:37,900
time?

1397
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:38,360
Nothing.

1398
01:54:38,860 --> 01:54:39,820
It's not going to grow.

1399
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:40,300
It's not going to.

1400
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:41,360
You can see it.

1401
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:46,480
There's no buildings landscaping along the frontage along Kaya Rio.

1402
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,940
Well, I don't think the banks do, but they've got a big setback at the front.

1403
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:59,080
I do think it's better this particular site plan than your first proposed.

1404
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:15,920
But I just, I just, it doesn't work for me in Galita. It's just, maybe we're different here. I don't know. I think when people see this, they're going to freak out. What, what is this? And there's been some comments by members of the board regarding that.

1405
01:55:18,620 --> 01:55:31,800
I don't know. I, I would hope that it would be something that would be more integrated with the area and I realize the area is just all commercial buildings made of block and concrete. I don't know. There's, there's not much character.

1406
01:55:32,580 --> 01:55:34,640
And this certainly is going to be a lot of character.

1407
01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:42,990
I'm kind of lost for words, describe how I think about this.

1408
01:55:43,130 --> 01:55:45,910
And I think people are, I think the board has done a really good job of that.

1409
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:59,890
Chairman, just one last, previous meeting I made the comment, while we cannot comment specifically

1410
01:55:59,890 --> 01:56:08,830
on those elements which fall under the state density bonus, I remain, my comment remains

1411
01:56:08,830 --> 01:56:16,090
from prior is that while the number of units and all of that that's fine but the

1412
01:56:16,090 --> 01:56:21,350
citing of the buildings I commented on that the last time it is too close to

1413
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:26,630
Cairo. It's much too close I was there yesterday I took a picture of the

1414
01:56:26,630 --> 01:56:31,010
story poles it's frighteningly close and those are just two poles with some

1415
01:56:31,590 --> 01:56:36,590
with some flags in between I I shuddered to think what that's gonna look like when

1416
01:56:36,590 --> 01:56:39,010
that's built, if it's built the way it's presented right now.

1417
01:56:39,730 --> 01:56:43,290
So, I would encourage to step it back if you can,

1418
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:46,470
maybe the upper floor, or somehow address the side.

1419
01:56:47,010 --> 01:56:47,990
Sorry, I just wanted to mention

1420
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:50,610
that my previous comment about building location.

1421
01:56:51,150 --> 01:56:51,450
Thank you.

1422
01:56:52,210 --> 01:56:54,750
Yeah, use, use, please.

1423
01:56:54,990 --> 01:56:55,490
Yes, thank you.

1424
01:56:55,850 --> 01:57:00,450
So, considering my colleague's comment

1425
01:57:00,450 --> 01:57:06,460
about how close it is to Cairo, you can step that thing back.

1426
01:57:06,460 --> 01:57:12,140
The dog park to me next to a freeway, I'm a dog owner, you know, I wouldn't take my dogs

1427
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:12,620
out of there.

1428
01:57:12,820 --> 01:57:18,100
It's kind of a funky place and it just, it seems to me that you could, you could push

1429
01:57:18,100 --> 01:57:22,600
those buildings down and give some relief to and provide a little bit more there at the

1430
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:27,660
frontage because ten feet is nothing and you're going to have trees that are anyway.

1431
01:57:29,460 --> 01:57:34,500
So I would request that you look at the landscaping that you're going to have along the frontage

1432
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:38,240
year so that it doesn't intrude with people walking on the side, walking people are going

1433
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:42,320
to be walking there and it looks like you've got some big shrubs or I'm not sure what they

1434
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:42,480
are.

1435
01:57:46,630 --> 01:57:56,490
All right, I'm going to chime in and probably be a little contradictory to what some people

1436
01:57:56,490 --> 01:58:05,170
have said, but I don't know what architectural style I would categorize this as, but somehow

1437
01:58:05,170 --> 01:58:11,570
Now it's interesting to me, although it looks like it's more, I have to see it at a ski

1438
01:58:11,570 --> 01:58:17,310
lodge or something, but it's cool, I don't dislike the vernacular, you're doing.

1439
01:58:18,010 --> 01:58:30,150
That said, this and this against this kai reo is not effective and needs to be looked at

1440
01:58:30,150 --> 01:58:31,130
for sure.

1441
01:58:33,310 --> 01:58:40,350
But I still have the same problem that I had before and I can't, there's nothing

1442
01:58:40,350 --> 01:58:47,510
that I can do about it, and that's the sighting of it and the canyon that is going to be

1443
01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:52,970
down looking down there, and I think there's probably a reason that we don't have a perspective

1444
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:58,790
looking down that, because there's no way to make that look great. And I know we need housing,

1445
01:59:03,710 --> 01:59:10,310
But I'm going to go back to a positive, this, what you did here is kind of matched materials

1446
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:16,790
in quasi-style of the, all the improvements they're doing to the Kaya Real Center.

1447
01:59:17,050 --> 01:59:19,910
And I can see that and I appreciate that.

1448
01:59:22,230 --> 01:59:36,510
But the site feels overbuilt and not, I don't feel the site plan is friendly for living

1449
01:59:36,510 --> 01:59:36,790
there.

1450
01:59:37,670 --> 01:59:43,590
So, I'm having a problem with, I guess, neighborhood compatibility, because I can't say anything

1451
01:59:43,590 --> 01:59:50,570
about densing density or any of that stuff, so it's the overall compatibility and while

1452
01:59:50,570 --> 01:59:59,970
I know we need housing, this feels like too much in a small space and I can kind of...

1453
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,260
I can't support it. So, so those are my comments. Anybody else?

1454
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:14,040
All right, so this has comments

1455
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:18,880
and now goes on to planning commission. You only have a couple of meetings left, right?

1456
02:00:20,060 --> 02:00:28,220
Yeah, thank you, Chair Branch and members of the board. At this time, it seems like we have

1457
02:00:28,220 --> 02:00:34,940
a little bit of a mix from the board, but given the SB 330 project with five meeting

1458
02:00:34,940 --> 02:00:40,760
limits, the next hearing will have to be the planning commission. So you all can choose

1459
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:48,940
to recommend approval, recommend with your comments at the planning commission and see what

1460
02:00:48,940 --> 02:00:50,560
happens at the next level of review.

1461
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:56,960
But we can't like recommend to planning commission that they reduce density, that's off the table.

1462
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:12,160
Correct. That's off the table, but some of these other comments that I've been taking notes on, we could incorporate as part of your recommendation or, I guess, as part of your referral to the planning commission.

1463
02:01:14,020 --> 02:01:25,620
And I mean, do I understand correctly that, you know, whatever, whatever the motion is, whatever we, whether we approve it or approve with comments,

1464
02:01:25,620 --> 02:01:29,780
or not approve it, it's still moving on.

1465
02:01:30,460 --> 02:01:31,020
Right.

1466
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:32,180
That's correct.

1467
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:33,640
Regardless of what we say.

1468
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:40,520
Yeah, it's not a great feeling to articulate that or to think about that, but yes, that's correct.

1469
02:01:40,700 --> 02:01:43,500
The next step on this project will need to be the planning commission.

1470
02:01:44,540 --> 02:01:50,100
And so in your motion today, you can pass on whatever you would like to the planning commission.

1471
02:01:50,900 --> 02:01:54,700
and Christina you can correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe you need to

1472
02:01:54,700 --> 02:02:02,400
recommend approval with conditions or suggestions or denial not not just

1473
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:06,260
pass along your comments and you know the planning commission they're the

1474
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:12,600
decision-makers for design as well you're the recommending body so they can

1475
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:18,720
weigh what you say in their overall decision of the project so your options are

1476
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:27,260
approval, as is approval with your comments for some changes and or denial.

1477
02:02:27,700 --> 02:02:35,460
Okay. Those are the recommendation. And then after the process goes through the planning commission, it does come back to DRB for final.

1478
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:37,900
Acknowledged, okay.

1479
02:02:39,140 --> 02:02:47,680
And at that point, when it returns from planning commission, should there be no appeals on the project, we would still have three more meetings.

1480
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:50,740
available to the project.

1481
02:02:51,180 --> 02:02:51,320
Okay.

1482
02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:55,320
Miss Chang, if we were to recommend denial,

1483
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:59,180
would it include comments such as that we've made?

1484
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:01,660
Yes, you're reasoning for denial.

1485
02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:06,040
And even better yet, if you can tie it to the findings,

1486
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:09,880
neighborhood compatibility, architectural design,

1487
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:12,940
you know, that would be the way to,

1488
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:16,300
if you do move forward with the recommendation for denial.

1489
02:03:22,510 --> 02:03:31,880
You want to someone want to take a stab at a motion maybe a bad choice of words. I didn't mean that I

1490
02:03:36,290 --> 02:03:38,450
Will take a stab

1491
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:44,390
Probably a dull knife, but I'll try it anyway. I

1492
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:46,950
Would recommend that the board

1493
02:03:49,170 --> 02:03:51,590
Excuse me just getting my bearings there

1494
02:03:51,590 --> 02:04:03,150
I recommend forwarding to the planning commission with the following comments that the applicant

1495
02:04:03,820 --> 02:04:08,890
study the street frontage of the buildings along Kyrielle.

1496
02:04:09,530 --> 02:04:14,090
Look at the shading aspects on the drive.

1497
02:04:15,890 --> 02:04:26,010
consider the Board's comments regarding material specifically the wood, the use of wood

1498
02:04:26,010 --> 02:04:36,550
siding, which I think I commented looks like plywood, to look at that, to study potential

1499
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:44,310
softening of the building facade as on the sides of the building is going down the

1500
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:53,270
drive aisle up there isn't. There's to study options to soften those elevations and

1501
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:59,820
to and I urge the applicant with this one strongly consider.

1502
02:05:00,050 --> 02:05:09,550
Marching forward are not strongly considered. The siding of those buildings in relation to the sidewalk of Kyrie, I'll be the separation.

1503
02:05:13,730 --> 02:05:32,170
Along with, and based upon the, the, the findings that the project currently does not is not compatible with the neighborhood in its size and bulk use of material.

1504
02:05:32,170 --> 02:05:35,450
materials, site layout, orientation of structures,

1505
02:05:38,610 --> 02:05:45,570
choice of materials with the surrounding neighborhood

1506
02:05:45,570 --> 02:05:46,490
is incompatible.

1507
02:05:48,810 --> 02:05:49,870
So we want to second that.

1508
02:05:50,910 --> 02:05:51,730
I'll second.

1509
02:05:54,510 --> 02:05:55,350
Any discussion?

1510
02:05:55,790 --> 02:05:57,090
Yes, I have some comments.

1511
02:05:57,750 --> 02:06:01,970
I didn't hear whether this was recommend approval

1512
02:06:01,970 --> 02:06:03,570
or denial, Mr. O'Connor.

1513
02:06:03,570 --> 02:06:05,290
I did recommend the Nile.

1514
02:06:06,010 --> 02:06:07,690
Recommend the Nile, thank you.

1515
02:06:08,210 --> 02:06:14,230
I would also include mention of, in terms of neighborhood compatibility,

1516
02:06:14,910 --> 02:06:16,890
a lack of open space.

1517
02:06:17,630 --> 02:06:18,410
Thank you, yes.

1518
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:20,030
Agreed.

1519
02:06:20,190 --> 02:06:20,850
Still second.

1520
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:21,850
Still second.

1521
02:06:22,570 --> 02:06:25,370
All right, then that will vote with roll call.

1522
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:27,700
Thank you, Chair.

1523
02:06:28,700 --> 02:06:29,280
May we have an order?

1524
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:30,120
Yes.

1525
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:30,240
Yes.

1526
02:06:30,580 --> 02:06:31,740
Remember to gaseous?

1527
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:32,200
Yes.

1528
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:33,040
Remember run?

1529
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:33,600
Yes.

1530
02:06:33,940 --> 02:06:34,580
Remember Schumacher?

1531
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:35,060
Yes.

1532
02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:36,140
Vice Chair Wheeling?

1533
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:36,620
Yes.

1534
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:37,820
And Chair Branch.

1535
02:06:38,180 --> 02:06:38,380
Yes.

1536
02:06:40,510 --> 02:06:40,950
Okay.

1537
02:06:41,310 --> 02:06:41,690
Sorry, man.

1538
02:06:52,260 --> 02:06:55,580
Now that takes us to, I think, our last item.

1539
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:57,580
Item D1.

1540
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:07,120
Thank you.

1541
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:17,460
That's 77780, Hollister Avenue, APN 079-210-056.

1542
02:07:17,460 --> 02:07:33,260
Golly to the self-stores, case number is 24-002-DP-24-001-CUP-24-0011-DRB.

1543
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:37,540
Okay, declarations by everybody, Tommisha.

1544
02:07:38,340 --> 02:07:44,520
Oh, you have to recuse, she's in the penalty box, she has to recuse.

1545
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:46,080
Okay, Dennis.

1546
02:07:46,980 --> 02:07:51,980
I am familiar with the site and have visited and had no expertized discussions.

1547
02:07:53,140 --> 02:07:57,040
I've visited the site previously, no expertay, Martha.

1548
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:59,320
Previous and no expertay.

1549
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:00,300
Jim?

1550
02:08:00,660 --> 02:08:01,840
Site visit, no expertay.

1551
02:08:02,140 --> 02:08:02,540
Cecilia?

1552
02:08:02,980 --> 02:08:04,980
No additional site visit, no expertay.

1553
02:08:05,420 --> 02:08:05,940
Very good.

1554
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:08,740
Travis, the floor is yours.

1555
02:08:11,110 --> 02:08:12,490
Thank you, Chair Branch Marshal of the Board.

1556
02:08:12,490 --> 02:08:17,350
The proposed project is the Golida Self Storage Facility at 7780 Hollister.

1557
02:08:18,110 --> 02:08:25,330
You've seen this project a few times now at the most recent DRB hearing on August 11th of this year.

1558
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:32,290
The board had concerns regarding building a second-story massing in height in relation to loss armus.

1559
02:08:33,190 --> 02:08:37,410
And they also suggested removing the most Western building, building F.

1560
02:08:37,410 --> 02:08:44,470
the applicant has heard your comments and has come back with a slightly modified design

1561
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:49,830
where they've removed approximately 950 square feet from the second floor of building A

1562
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:55,190
reduced its western end cap by 8 feet, it's eastern end cap by 2 feet.

1563
02:08:55,790 --> 02:09:02,270
Additionally the western and eastern end cap heights of building B and C were reduced by 2 feet and 8 inches.

1564
02:09:03,090 --> 02:09:09,690
The applicant is requesting preliminary design or approval recommendation to the planning

1565
02:09:09,690 --> 02:09:10,090
commission.

1566
02:09:11,650 --> 02:09:16,090
So if that happens, they will go to the planning commission and they will return for final

1567
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:17,530
after that hearing.

1568
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:22,970
I conclude staff's presentation and staff and the applicant team are available for any questions.

1569
02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:23,630
Thank you.

1570
02:09:23,950 --> 02:09:24,070
All right.

1571
02:09:24,210 --> 02:09:24,470
Thanks.

1572
02:09:26,110 --> 02:09:27,030
Troy proceed.

1573
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:33,590
Well good afternoon and good evening. My name is Troy White. We're GW Land Planning Development

1574
02:09:33,590 --> 02:09:38,770
representing the owner and applicants. We really appreciate the DRB's comments over these past

1575
02:09:38,770 --> 02:09:44,850
several hearings. We think we have a much better project as a result. We're excited to share the

1576
02:09:44,850 --> 02:09:52,330
revisions that we've made to the project. Travis highlighted the changes to building A and also to

1577
02:09:52,330 --> 02:09:54,150
I believe C. We'll also speak to Bill Enough,

1578
02:09:54,810 --> 02:09:57,890
relative to Mr. Osis comments.

1579
02:09:58,730 --> 02:09:59,770
We have our designer.

1580
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:26,460
Thank you, Phil Stephens here, who will show further the changes, and we're excited to share them with you. Thank you. Great. Good turn your mic on and introduce yourself and proceed. Great. To the DRB, my name is Phil Stephens, and I'm here to, like our planner said, and Troy said to talk about the modifications we've made. Thank you for your comments on building F and A and B and C. We've made modifications to some of those, and we're going to go over those now.

1581
02:10:26,460 --> 02:10:33,900
So, what you have on the screen before you is building A, and we took a thoughtful approach to your comments to study the Western facade of that building.

1582
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:39,120
Like it was mentioned, we've reduced that Western facing gable.

1583
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:52,120
The peak element of the building down by 8 feet, and have taken another look at how the roof forms of the second floor relate, and we've additionally pulled those back as well, another 10 feet.

1584
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:58,260
So the building presents itself as a two-level building, a lot more than one large element.

1585
02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:01,360
And so that feels a lot more pedestrian scale.

1586
02:11:02,160 --> 02:11:09,380
And we feel like they're more compatible and attractive based on your comments with the surrounding

1587
02:11:09,380 --> 02:11:13,040
neighborhood, and give a better presentation of pedestrian scale.

1588
02:11:13,660 --> 02:11:20,850
I'll flip to this page here, talk about building F.

1589
02:11:20,850 --> 02:11:41,570
We did look at building F a few different ways and we've prepared the exhibit before you which highlights kind of the main element being that the windows inciting and existing eucalyptus trees in addition with the layered landscape result in a really increased perception of depth.

1590
02:11:41,570 --> 02:11:45,630
I'm amazed whenever we do designs with landscape,

1591
02:11:45,810 --> 02:11:52,450
how another row with another mass with another edge and another plant start to really increase your perception of depth.

1592
02:11:52,870 --> 02:12:04,250
And so the Euclip Districts with the additions that Aaron have made really increase that perception along with the understated design of the building and the layered landscape.

1593
02:12:04,250 --> 02:12:11,430
We have the, we did study different ways of looking at that edge.

1594
02:12:11,770 --> 02:12:17,470
We, you know, the elimination of building F, if it was reduced or removed,

1595
02:12:17,670 --> 02:12:22,590
would be replaced with a wall similar in size and character to the proposed single story building,

1596
02:12:22,730 --> 02:12:28,230
and wouldn't really have a significant visual impact or benefit to the project in that regard.

1597
02:12:28,750 --> 02:12:33,850
And the second story views from the height away across the project

1598
02:12:33,850 --> 02:12:40,210
still are largely screened by the existing Eucalyptus trees, which is a real benefit that are being preserved along the edge.

1599
02:12:41,690 --> 02:12:49,190
So we're looking at the revised, we're looking at that element along this edge here as a pedestrian scale view of the building.

1600
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:57,510
And then just kind of little peaks at the top end are the buildings B and C, which we've also made the modifications that were listed.

1601
02:12:57,670 --> 02:13:03,370
We have reduced those heights by two feet, bringing them down a little bit more, just trying to reduce

1602
02:13:03,370 --> 02:13:10,210
wherever we can to make those elements feel rural and as incompatible with the views offsite.

1603
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:33,230
In this illustration here, we underscore kind of the differences between the second story element

1604
02:13:33,230 --> 02:13:39,430
that is in the top view that was our previous submission. And then thanks to your comments,

1605
02:13:39,790 --> 02:13:44,190
the result that we have before you at the bottom of the page is what we're presenting today.

1606
02:13:44,850 --> 02:13:49,610
You can see it in all the views that we presented, but this one felt like it gave you the best

1607
02:13:49,610 --> 02:13:58,770
expression of how those materials and building heights step back in a more residential way and how the windows and the material changes

1608
02:13:58,770 --> 02:14:04,150
really underscore the bottom level and second level and that change in elevation.

1609
02:14:06,130 --> 02:14:07,690
We'll go ahead and hand it back to Troy.

1610
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:26,320
One of the comments that we had had was related to, I think, what does it look like from the second story balcony versus the first?

1611
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:28,420
And so we do have some exhibits related to that.

1612
02:14:36,090 --> 02:14:37,010
You want to look at building A?

1613
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:42,300
So there should be a, yeah, there's six

1614
02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:48,830
roles.

1615
02:14:51,720 --> 02:14:52,060
Okay.

1616
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:56,640
So we provided a revised cross section here.

1617
02:14:57,680 --> 02:14:59,800
And same cross sections you saw before.

1618
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,860
So we have our northern cross section, if you want to point to the key legend in the bottom corner there. Northern cross section is located more or less with the center of building a. And then the southern cross section is the center line more or less a building f. So we want to demonstrate the separation of the high, this is loss armist, by the way. So the separation of the height of ways located to the west.

1619
02:15:29,860 --> 02:15:33,560
and our buildings to the east.

1620
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:40,360
And so you can see there, we have a separation of about 90 feet plus minus depending on the section.

1621
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:43,740
So a very significant distance between our buildings.

1622
02:15:44,540 --> 02:15:54,480
The importance of this exhibit is also, we wanted to be able to demonstrate that we've worked really hard to lower the stature of these buildings.

1623
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:58,900
As you may recall, we'd started off way back when with three story buildings.

1624
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:04,460
Reduce those to two story buildings and we've been further chipping away at that high.

1625
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,640
You can see in both sections, relative to the buildings,

1626
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:20,380
fronting Las Armas, building A, our building high is lower in stature than the one that exceeds the pieces of the portion of the building.

1627
02:16:20,380 --> 02:16:23,660
I mean most closest false armors are below the heights

1628
02:16:23,660 --> 02:16:26,580
of the two-story residential across the street,

1629
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:30,100
90 feet plus, and then also relative to building up.

1630
02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:33,700
You can see we've got a single story project

1631
02:16:34,380 --> 02:16:36,900
which will be screened by the existing mature

1632
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:40,820
eucalyptus coupled with the additional landscaping

1633
02:16:40,820 --> 02:16:43,820
that Aaron Carroll has provided.

1634
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:46,600
So anyway, just wanted to build it in straight.

1635
02:16:46,820 --> 02:16:49,060
We've really tried to be thoughtful

1636
02:16:49,060 --> 02:16:54,380
in terms of the separation of the properties

1637
02:16:54,720 --> 02:16:56,160
and also relative to the heights.

1638
02:16:56,680 --> 02:17:00,980
Let's also take a look now at the first and second story.

1639
02:17:04,280 --> 02:17:04,820
Bill, yeah.

1640
02:17:09,090 --> 02:17:12,150
Can I just, do you have any images

1641
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:13,710
without all the greenery?

1642
02:17:15,370 --> 02:17:19,170
We have elevations, coupled in the balance, plans.

1643
02:17:20,310 --> 02:17:23,230
So these are exhibits that we wanted to be able

1644
02:17:24,130 --> 02:17:31,570
So in this particular image here, we were asking what does it look like from the pedestrian

1645
02:17:31,570 --> 02:17:36,390
level, what does your project look like from second story balcony.

1646
02:17:37,490 --> 02:17:42,770
And so you can see here that image on the top is what it looks like from across the street

1647
02:17:42,770 --> 02:17:44,690
at the pedestrian level.

1648
02:17:44,910 --> 02:17:53,130
So the building is sort of sunken from the street level and it presents fairly low and

1649
02:17:53,130 --> 02:18:01,990
character about 21 feet or so plus minus at the, and that's set back further from the

1650
02:18:01,990 --> 02:18:02,190
street.

1651
02:18:03,130 --> 02:18:09,630
The second image on the bottom, so that's taking a look at from our neighbor's balcony,

1652
02:18:10,210 --> 02:18:16,150
so what might they see, you know, at a slightly higher distance, and so you can see there,

1653
02:18:16,450 --> 02:18:22,130
not a huge difference between the two, but ultimately what we tried to emphasize here is the

1654
02:18:22,130 --> 02:18:30,270
The elimination of the initial boxiness, that was the concern of the DRB, the utilization

1655
02:18:30,650 --> 02:18:37,490
of varied materials, the simplification of the architecture, the introduction of pitch

1656
02:18:37,490 --> 02:18:42,830
group elements, and then ultimately, the reduction in the elimination of the second story

1657
02:18:42,830 --> 02:18:48,690
elements, in addition, long ago, the third story elements, and really trying to present something

1658
02:18:48,690 --> 02:18:50,250
that's much more human in scale.

1659
02:18:50,810 --> 02:18:53,990
So that's building a, let's take a look at building F if we may.

1660
02:18:55,810 --> 02:19:01,710
So this is building F, so this is center line of building F. Once again we have the pedestrian

1661
02:19:01,710 --> 02:19:08,810
view on the top and then the second story view from at the bottom.

1662
02:19:09,530 --> 02:19:18,590
So you can see here we've got, by the way, we're not trying to create any type of screening

1663
02:19:18,590 --> 02:19:21,670
I mean, that's achieved by the, we have trees on the opposite side of the street as well.

1664
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:25,830
So, typically we'd sort of, you know, put some imagery there.

1665
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:30,030
But anyway, you're looking through the trees on your side of the sidewalk and then looking

1666
02:19:30,030 --> 02:19:35,950
across the street, then you're looking through the existing mature eucalyptus that will remain,

1667
02:19:36,750 --> 02:19:42,410
and then also coupled with the filling of the landscaping, you know, that, our landscape

1668
02:19:42,410 --> 02:19:43,890
architecture and Carol's proposed.

1669
02:19:43,890 --> 02:19:51,290
So as you can see here, building F as Phil alluded to, it's not terribly visible and that's

1670
02:19:51,290 --> 02:19:55,790
by designing, by intent, trying to address his comments.

1671
02:19:55,790 --> 02:19:59,130
We also took further to your comments.

1672
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,840
We took a look at, what does this look like at the second story level, you know, the balcony level, in terms of now you're elevated a little bit, you know, so what do I look? One of my looking at as I'm looking down into that, once again, you're looking through your own vegetation, then you're looking across 90 feet, then you're looking through mature eucalyptus, and then all the landscaping that would supplementing that. So you're seeing maybe a little bit more of the second story roof lines in building

1673
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:35,020
buildings, BNC, beyond building F, but it's not terribly visible.

1674
02:20:36,060 --> 02:20:43,380
You'd also asked, Mr. Gassos, about last year, did you give any consideration to the

1675
02:20:43,380 --> 02:20:48,280
second story of views, and I indicated at that point, well, it was primarily landscaping,

1676
02:20:48,740 --> 02:20:55,340
but I want to revise my comment to add, you know, we spent quite a bit of time in addressing

1677
02:20:55,340 --> 02:21:00,000
We've seen that second story architecture, you know, we had, if you recall, I can certainly

1678
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:00,760
bring out the images.

1679
02:21:01,400 --> 02:21:08,440
We had steel rectilinear, three story buildings, those two buildings, and so we've made pitch

1680
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:08,700
roofs.

1681
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:13,880
Most recently, although it wasn't even a comp from the DOB, in studying the design, hey, we

1682
02:21:13,880 --> 02:21:20,520
can even lower the roof line further by two feet and eight inches, so we've lowered the

1683
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:20,760
roof.

1684
02:21:21,180 --> 02:21:21,980
We have pitch roofs.

1685
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:22,800
We've got windows.

1686
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:34,740
We've got inter-stream materials, so once you look beyond your own trees, on your side of the property of the street, and then you look through our trees, in our vegetation, and you're looking over a single story structure.

1687
02:21:35,320 --> 02:21:44,040
You're looking at what I would argue is a tastefully designed building, so we've tried to be thoughtful in addressing the deer abuse comments.

1688
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:55,240
So I guess in summary, I'd like to just remind the DRB that we've through your comments,

1689
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:57,060
we've eliminated all three story elements.

1690
02:21:57,700 --> 02:22:02,420
We've reduced the size of the product by approximately 37,000 square feet at this point.

1691
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:04,780
We've simplified the architecture.

1692
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:10,020
We've eliminated the initial boxiness of the buildings through addition of peak rail elements,

1693
02:22:10,380 --> 02:22:11,640
windows, and barn door features.

1694
02:22:13,460 --> 02:22:19,140
We preserved the existing mature trees along Las Armas and have integrated them into the landscape plan.

1695
02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:25,080
We've also, more importantly, further reduced the building heights and massing along the Las Armas

1696
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:29,860
fronts says that we believe the product is compatible with the residential buildings across the street.

1697
02:22:30,780 --> 02:22:33,920
These changes were made as a result of the DRB process

1698
02:22:34,540 --> 02:22:39,100
and the project that you have before you now through our collaborative efforts through your comments

1699
02:22:39,100 --> 02:22:41,140
is something I think we can all be proud of.

1700
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:44,520
Respectfully, therefore, we ask that the DRB

1701
02:22:45,260 --> 02:22:46,760
recommend to the Planning Commission

1702
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:50,580
to adopt the findings of section 17.58.080

1703
02:22:50,940 --> 02:22:52,240
of the Cleveland Municipal Code,

1704
02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:55,860
included with the attachment A of your staff report

1705
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,500
and provide recommendations for preliminary design

1706
02:22:58,500 --> 02:22:59,300
and review approval.

1707
02:22:59,980 --> 02:23:01,740
This concludes our presentation.

1708
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:04,360
We really appreciate your comments today.

1709
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:06,100
We think we have a great project

1710
02:23:06,100 --> 02:23:07,660
out of the results of this process,

1711
02:23:07,660 --> 02:23:09,820
and we'd welcome any questions. Thank you.

1712
02:23:11,850 --> 02:23:13,650
Do we have any public comment?

1713
02:23:16,100 --> 02:23:19,860
Yes, thank you, Chair. I have one speaker slip, Robert Miller.

1714
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:22,940
And if anyone on the Zoom,

1715
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:25,160
a webinar would like to speak on the side,

1716
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:27,840
please use the raise hand icon and I will call on you.

1717
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:28,560
Okay.

1718
02:23:33,300 --> 02:23:36,540
Good afternoon, members of the Design Review Board.

1719
02:23:37,260 --> 02:23:40,380
My name is Robert Miller. I believe this was the third time

1720
02:23:40,380 --> 02:23:43,100
I have paired before you on this matter.

1721
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:48,560
there. Thank you for listening. I submitted a letter a few days ago, I hope we've had

1722
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:53,720
a chance to consider it. I will not repeat everything I said in the letter. I simply

1723
02:23:53,720 --> 02:24:01,940
can't believe the city would approve this project. And I don't think the city will. It remains

1724
02:24:01,940 --> 02:24:09,740
an industrial style project in the middle of residential neighborhoods, a school, a nature

1725
02:24:09,740 --> 02:24:13,580
to preserve senior citizens home and a golf course.

1726
02:24:15,300 --> 02:24:24,460
Findings, as I understand it, you are required to find the project satisfies 11 separate

1727
02:24:24,460 --> 02:24:28,280
findings in order to recommend approval to the planning commission.

1728
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:32,700
I submit that at least three findings cannot be made.

1729
02:24:32,700 --> 02:24:46,660
Findings number one and three cannot be satisfied because the project remains not compatible with the neighborhood and its size, bulk and scale are not appropriate to the site and the neighborhood.

1730
02:24:47,380 --> 02:24:55,520
As I explained in my letter, three large two story buildings averaging about 45,000 square feet each.

1731
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:59,940
In three large, one-story buildings, averaging about 7th.

1732
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,040
2,000 square feet each are simply not compatible. In addition, approximately, 250 large garage doors, if I counted it correctly, represent a monotonous repetition and reflect the industrial style of this project. Finding number 10 cannot be satisfied because the project lacks sufficient consideration of the neighbors' private views. If this project

1733
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:35,660
is billed, it will fundamentally and permanently change the character of our neighborhoods.

1734
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:42,800
For these reasons, I strongly urge you to recommend denial to the planning commission.

1735
02:25:43,440 --> 02:25:45,520
Thank you for listening to my concerns.

1736
02:25:46,260 --> 02:25:46,920
Thank you very much.

1737
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:51,450
All right, questions for the applicant, Dennis.

1738
02:25:51,450 --> 02:25:51,670
Yes,

1739
02:25:54,600 --> 02:26:02,760
my question is kind of late to the game here, but did you investigate moving building

1740
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:14,800
F and appropriately building BC and E probably D2 to the East to alleviate that visual impact

1741
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:16,160
on Los Armas?

1742
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:17,060
We

1743
02:26:20,610 --> 02:26:28,470
considered it so Vice Chair Whalen as you can see so

1744
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:38,600
if you look at the bottom image

1745
02:26:38,600 --> 02:26:46,500
on this graphic here we have a separation of almost 96 feet between our buildings which

1746
02:26:46,500 --> 02:26:53,620
is substantial not depicted here is our property line but if you look at where the location

1747
02:26:53,620 --> 02:26:59,580
of our sidewalk is in relation to building up versus the sidewalk on the western side

1748
02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:04,700
of Los Arras and the two-story building located there. You'll see that there's a very

1749
02:27:05,940 --> 02:27:12,640
smaller setback of a two-story building right off of the sidewalk whereas we have a substantial

1750
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:17,460
setback. I want to say it's something on the order of almost

1751
02:27:20,140 --> 02:27:25,080
40 feet setback. So we've pushed

1752
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:32,580
the building back indeed, quite a bit from the property line, the setbacks recall in

1753
02:27:32,580 --> 02:27:36,820
the general commercial zone district, which is the zone district where we're located,

1754
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:43,220
setbacks are 10 feet from property line. So we're nearly four times of the required setback

1755
02:27:43,220 --> 02:27:50,660
and in a nod to the neighbor, rather than having a two story building for building F,

1756
02:27:50,660 --> 02:28:09,180
We chose to have a single story building, something much more modest in height, and coupled with the other comments from our neighbors as well as from the board relative to, can you make some efforts to preserve some of the existing Eucalyptus trees along Los Armas and indeed we did so.

1757
02:28:09,900 --> 02:28:11,760
So we did consider that.

1758
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:14,020
Thank you.

1759
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:26,630
I do for Mr. Lee, maybe. So it's a zoning is CG.

1760
02:28:28,690 --> 02:28:30,570
Yes, that's correct. A general commercial.

1761
02:28:31,270 --> 02:28:37,170
And then the Westmont project adjacent to it is also CG. Is that correct?

1762
02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:43,350
I believe that's the assisted living. Let me just confirm that really quickly.

1763
02:28:43,350 --> 02:28:43,530
It

1764
02:28:45,610 --> 02:28:53,070
was just kind of an aside, other than that, I don't think I really have any questions

1765
02:28:53,070 --> 02:28:53,830
exactly.

1766
02:28:55,450 --> 02:28:55,950
Thanks.

1767
02:28:57,130 --> 02:28:58,070
Jim, any questions?

1768
02:29:00,130 --> 02:29:01,130
Yeah, just one.

1769
02:29:02,470 --> 02:29:09,070
I was not in visit at the site yesterday, and everything better to do on our Labor Day,

1770
02:29:09,070 --> 02:29:17,270
But I was struck, to be honest with you, I was struck at the top of law firm is looking

1771
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:19,730
down towards Hollister and I've got a photograph I'm looking at.

1772
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:28,130
I was struck as to which I'd never quite noticed the same, the power poles along there.

1773
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:34,130
And I read through the staff report, there's some additional planting that's going to be done

1774
02:29:34,130 --> 02:29:36,490
in the right of way and as well as offsite,

1775
02:29:37,150 --> 02:29:40,150
is there any proposal electrical undergrounding?

1776
02:29:41,290 --> 02:29:44,090
So that was a question that was brought up

1777
02:29:44,090 --> 02:29:47,030
at our last hearing and you may recall

1778
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:52,550
that if this was a matter of simple low voltage,

1779
02:29:54,310 --> 02:29:58,530
but given that, it's feeding a major piece of land.

1780
02:29:59,010 --> 02:29:59,950
So the long.

1781
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,100
That's sort of sort of financially it's in pieces. Yeah, understood. Okay. Thank you. That's all. Cecilia, any questions?

1782
02:30:09,740 --> 02:30:10,600
All right. Do you have any comments?

1783
02:30:17,140 --> 02:30:20,080
It's bored, long time, and all these big storage facilities are problems.

1784
02:30:24,200 --> 02:30:31,780
I understand how the neighbor feels. I don't I don't live near any storage facilities, but I understand people how they feel about them.

1785
02:30:34,180 --> 02:30:39,620
You know, for me, it's an allowed use. And I think the applicant has tried to

1786
02:30:39,620 --> 02:30:42,480
to take into consideration the neighbor's concerns

1787
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:46,040
and in terms of the changes that they've made here.

1788
02:30:46,700 --> 02:30:48,020
So I'm gonna support the project.

1789
02:30:49,020 --> 02:30:49,280
Jim?

1790
02:30:50,220 --> 02:30:53,260
Oh, we're going back on comments, okay, yes.

1791
02:30:53,720 --> 02:30:53,960
Thank you.

1792
02:30:55,700 --> 02:31:02,080
Yeah, I think echoing off of what Amber Brown noted,

1793
02:31:02,700 --> 02:31:05,180
the applicant's been back, this is now third time.

1794
02:31:05,180 --> 02:31:12,280
and each time they've listened to the board's comments, worked with our suggestions,

1795
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:15,200
and I did a quick calculation.

1796
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:24,520
I think I saw a reduction of almost 19% of what the square footage they came in with,

1797
02:31:24,820 --> 02:31:26,160
close to 20%.

1798
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:32,300
You would basically lost 37,130 square feet as of my calculation.

1799
02:31:32,300 --> 02:31:34,280
That's a significant reduction.

1800
02:31:35,800 --> 02:31:38,960
I understand the neighbors' comments and their concerns.

1801
02:31:40,480 --> 02:31:42,300
Again, it is it allowed use.

1802
02:31:44,060 --> 02:31:50,720
I think that the applicants have really listened to what we've asked for, and they've really

1803
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:57,200
made some significant reductions and improved the project, not only in size book scale, but

1804
02:31:57,200 --> 02:32:03,500
also in the materiality, and the screening I want to complement Aaron on his landscape

1805
02:32:03,500 --> 02:32:13,600
plan, and especially because, as I mentioned, I was on Los Armas yesterday, and I would

1806
02:32:14,140 --> 02:32:16,760
I took a picture from both sides of Los Armas.

1807
02:32:18,540 --> 02:32:25,800
Number one you can barely see the power, the story pulse, as you are looking from the height

1808
02:32:25,800 --> 02:32:30,900
the way side of Los Armas. Number two, as I mentioned, which is why I asked the question

1809
02:32:30,900 --> 02:32:35,680
about the parapoles. That is more unsightly in my mind than the buildings themselves.

1810
02:32:36,380 --> 02:32:44,660
That is awful. I wish there was a way to underground them. And then I was struck by my, as I

1811
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:51,880
turned my back to the project and looked at the height away, I was struck very strongly

1812
02:32:51,880 --> 02:33:00,540
by the number of trees that are in the right of way, the Parkway, adjacent to the Hyde

1813
02:33:00,540 --> 02:33:05,960
Way, which blocks views, which I think you mentioned in your presentation, you alluded

1814
02:33:05,960 --> 02:33:10,720
to in your presentation. It's very true, really true. There's I think five buildings

1815
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:16,280
there. I think there's only three or four windows that actually are not blocked by views

1816
02:33:16,280 --> 02:33:18,180
on the Parkway of Los Armas.

1817
02:33:20,020 --> 02:33:23,340
And I go back to complementing Aaron Furs Landscape

1818
02:33:23,340 --> 02:33:26,360
and in hiding this.

1819
02:33:26,500 --> 02:33:29,840
I do find it to be compatible with the neighborhood.

1820
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:31,340
Size, bulk, and scale.

1821
02:33:31,340 --> 02:33:32,860
We can talk about the number of doors.

1822
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:34,000
I heard the concern.

1823
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:38,440
But it is much, it's not as tall as the buildings

1824
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:38,920
at the highway.

1825
02:33:39,220 --> 02:33:42,560
I think that the setback is really addressing that issue.

1826
02:33:43,140 --> 02:33:44,580
It's stepped into the site.

1827
02:33:44,580 --> 02:33:52,240
And so I complement the team for working with us on this and I can definitely support this project as it's presented.

1828
02:33:52,940 --> 02:33:53,720
Thank you.

1829
02:33:53,740 --> 02:33:54,060
Martha?

1830
02:33:55,240 --> 02:34:08,660
I too am very appreciative of this sacrifice if you want to say that of lowering a building a and a bit of lowering a building.

1831
02:34:08,660 --> 02:34:22,160
of, again, I think we all recognize the landscape superb and worked hard on that. I think the,

1832
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:32,380
I don't know if you'd call it outrage or anger from the neighbors is the fact that this

1833
02:34:32,380 --> 02:34:36,000
This is zone commercial, and too

1834
02:34:38,810 --> 02:34:43,790
bad that all the rezoning that went on with all this

1835
02:34:43,790 --> 02:34:54,490
housing allocation didn't look at this property before this went forward, but that's

1836
02:34:54,490 --> 02:34:55,510
the problem.

1837
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:59,350
and even the Westmont is also a zone commercial, I don't know.

1838
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:09,320
Anyway, I think that's what the the upset is about is that we've got a different zoning here on this parcel.

1839
02:35:12,140 --> 02:35:29,880
That's all I can say about the comments, but thank you for all the changes you made. I know it cost you a bit. Dennis? Well, just to pick up on Mr. Gases, if we weren't such a big consumerist society that had

1840
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:34,440
all kinds of stuff to store, we wouldn't be in this discussion.

1841
02:35:35,020 --> 02:35:39,380
I do think the project team has been very responsive to our comments,

1842
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:42,380
and it's a project that I can support.

1843
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:46,720
I agree with my colleagues.

1844
02:35:46,900 --> 02:35:48,920
I can absolutely support this.

1845
02:35:50,640 --> 02:36:00,620
If I lived next to this, a storage unit is a pretty low impact thing to live next to.

1846
02:36:00,620 --> 02:36:08,400
So, and I think you guys have done an exemplary job of screening and reducing it and meeting

1847
02:36:08,400 --> 02:36:08,720
the boards.

1848
02:36:09,080 --> 02:36:11,860
Which is why the audience is going through it.

1849
02:36:15,150 --> 02:36:15,770
Who's that?

1850
02:36:16,310 --> 02:36:17,570
So, East Berlin.

1851
02:36:19,510 --> 02:36:22,530
Anyway, I can support this easily.

1852
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:24,710
Someone want to make a motion.

1853
02:36:25,870 --> 02:36:26,990
For a minute, too.

1854
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:29,190
It's for going to planning commission, right?

1855
02:36:30,530 --> 02:36:30,690
Yeah.

1856
02:36:30,690 --> 02:36:31,550
I'm

1857
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:49,380
getting the glare there, so I'm going to recommend to the Planning Commission adoption of the design findings and

1858
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:52,200
Recommend preliminary

1859
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:56,220
Approval to that said commission

1860
02:36:58,320 --> 02:36:59,400
Can we get a second?

1861
02:37:01,980 --> 02:37:02,460
I'll second

1862
02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:04,120
Can you discussion?

1863
02:37:05,320 --> 02:37:07,040
All right, let's vote with local

1864
02:37:07,880 --> 02:37:13,120
Thank you, Chair. Member van Order. Yes, Member de Gastis. No

1865
02:37:13,880 --> 02:37:14,600
Member Brown?

1866
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:15,180
Yes.

1867
02:37:15,900 --> 02:37:16,860
Vice Chair Wheeling?

1868
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:17,340
Yes.

1869
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:18,380
And Chair Branch?

1870
02:37:18,700 --> 02:37:18,860
Yes.

1871
02:37:19,860 --> 02:37:20,580
Thank you.

1872
02:37:21,060 --> 02:37:21,580
Thanks, guys.

1873
02:37:21,880 --> 02:37:22,160
Thank you.

1874
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:23,360
Thank you for your work.

1875
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:24,800
It's a struggle, all right?

1876
02:37:28,180 --> 02:37:29,820
Announcements by members and staff.

1877
02:37:30,480 --> 02:37:31,120
Do you have anything?

1878
02:37:31,820 --> 02:37:37,280
Chair Branch just want to mention to the board that we are canceling September 25th meeting.

1879
02:37:38,100 --> 02:37:38,240
Okay.

1880
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:40,760
All right.

1881
02:37:40,760 --> 02:37:46,860
Okay, all right. Thank you with that we are adjourned