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We are live. All right. Good evening and
welcome everyone. Today is the 1st of

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September 2026. We are [clears throat]
having a special council meeting to

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discuss our finance packet for July
enhancements and 2027 appropriations.

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For those of us here, would you stand as
you're able? Help us get started with

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the meeting.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for it stands one nation under
God indivisible liberty and justice for

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all
of

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» Miss Chester
>> yes

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» Mr. Fischer
>> Fisher

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» yes
>> primer absent Mr. state them

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right. Is there motions to
what's the word? Forget excuse

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» excuse
absences this even

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» I have not heard from anybody
from anyone.

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» Yes sir.

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» I'm sorry. [clears throat] Um, Britney
did tell me that she is um taking a I I

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don't know how to describe it. Um,
[clears throat] I don't know what what

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she shared with me. I'm not sure if if
it's 100% present, 100% public, but she

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did express to me that she was not
intending to come tonight. So, I would

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encourage you to reach out to her if
there's a public statement that public

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something that she would like to
discuss.

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Um, absent any um motions or objections,
I'll move on and say you have an adopt

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uh you have the agenda in front of you.
[clears throat] Motion to adopt the

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agenda.

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Is there a second?

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All those in favor

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say without objection and take
unanimous.

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All right. Okay. Um we do have a someone
who's our former council person mix

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would like to address everyone
concerning 2027 appropriations.

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She's registered to speak.
>> Thank you. Uh, Melody in mail, 2437 St.

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Als,
excuse me, St. Albins's Avenue. I need

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to abbreviate here. Um, so I'll keep it
brief. Word on the curb, pun intended,

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is that you specifically, Mayor
Densmore, desire to spend an estimated

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$650,000
to improve a single bus stop. To my

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understanding, this estimate is embedded
within the two, excuse me, $710,000

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line item identified in the 2027
appropriation simply as capital outlay.

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In my opinion, this is not at all
transparent. So, Mayor Densor, please

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justify your reasoning for wanting to
spend this much money for seemingly

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little benefit. And I think that your
priorities should be one finding a new

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administrator and two securing securing
fire and EMS services for the immediate

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future. Do you have any plan for either
please and thanks?

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» Sure. Uh and M welcome to of course
reach out to me anytime about any of

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this. This is
>> No, this needs to be public. That's a

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lot of money.
>> That's [laughter]

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absolutely. It's first time I've ever
heard that this is how much it costs.

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It's first time I've ever heard that's
even appropriation.

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» I don't believe you. I've heard this at
least three, four, six weeks ago. This

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is not new information.
>> Does it matter?

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» Yeah, it does because it's not true
>> from your administrator. How is it not

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true if you're just now hearing this?
>> I know. So,

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» that doesn't make it untrue. No, this is
the first time you're hearing this.

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» Right. But you're saying that I'm doing
it. What I'm saying is if I don't know

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about it, I'm not doing it. Right. Had
no idea that it cost this much. I've

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been asking to look into the bus stops
because, and here's the thing,

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» we have no covered bus stops in Golf
Manor. We have one of the highest

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percentages of people using buses.
>> I think that's a misquote. That happens

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to be the most utilized bus stop in Golf
Manor. That is not one of the most

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utilized bus stops for Metro.
>> Yes, that's that's true. That that is

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absolutely true. It's not
>> So, we could be talking about 20 people.

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» If you will allow me to to finish
speaking, please cut me off. Right.

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Okay, make it quick then.
>> Make it quick.

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» Yes, cuz we already know where this is
going. You're so full of it. I'm calling

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you out publicly and you know exactly
why you've been letting this stuff slide

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since I've been on council. I refuse
today. You know that that cost $650,000.

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You know it cost $650,000. That's not
due to you and you are going to dig your

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heels in deeply and claim that you did
not know. So, I would like you to defend

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that amount of money for a single bus
stop and act like this is the first time

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you're hearing this. I know it's not.
I'm not even on counsel and I know this.

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» I had an officer have you removed right
now because you're pressed for

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[laughter] three minutes to ask.
>> Dude, you are so comical.

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» I'll address all of this.
>> You're fumbling. Just answer the

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question. Go ahead.
>> I did answer it. I won't know anything

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about it and I'm willing to stand.
>> That is not being transparent. You know,

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you know it's not true.
That's all you got. You're just going to

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bang that.
>> That's all I got.

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» So, it sounds like council because I'm
sure council is aware, too. So, I'm I'm

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encouraging council. I actually have
always supported council to shut that

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down. I don't think you guys support
$650,000 for a bus stop.

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Now I'll see. Thank you.
Also, an update on the administrator

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because to my knowledge, you haven't
even put out a call for proposals for

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that yet. You slipping big time.
One of the things that um is really

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unfortunate [clears throat]
about

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a situation like this is that this is a
special meeting that's for a very

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limitedly defined topic. I'm happy to
talk about this after the meeting.

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» No, you should be talking about it on
camera.

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» No, we can talk about it. What I mean is
talk about everything behind closed

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doors. I even called you all that
before. Soon as I got off council,

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please
>> by who? Yeah.

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So, what I was referring to was that
when we get through with our agenda

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items, for those who would like to stay,
I will address the questions that were

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raised and I will certainly ask
questions of our administrator about it

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and our finance officer.

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So,

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We've adopted the agenda. Do we have
do we have minutes in front of us or

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not?
>> There are minutes, but they're not

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necessarily in front of you. Does
anybody need a copy of the minutes for

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approval?
>> I do. I mean, is this this is just the

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agenda?
>> That's just the agenda. That does not

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include the Sorry.
>> Wait, is that in an email?

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» That's still on the page.

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» We can Yeah, we can skip that. that item
may

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» want to read it through or
>> what

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» you read it afterwards.
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» So, we need a motion to table.
>> No, I think

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» it's on the agenda. Agenda can't be
changed. So, it would have to be a

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motion to table
>> or a motion to pass.

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» Oh, pass it. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah.
>> So, is there a motion by the way?

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» Yes. Motion to pass. Is there a second?
Second. All those in favor.

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I objection. Take that as unanimous.
Thank you.

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» That was on both of those. On both the
minutes. Okay. Thank you.

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» So you have before you the finance
packet for July. Um we have as we said

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it's special meeting to be going over
that as well as some revenue

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enhancements in the 2027 appropriations.
I apologize if that's incorrect. The the

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finance package for July is not in front
of you. Um that's just the typical

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finance packet that I read um that I put
together every month. This is the

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finance packet for July which is the
most recent one completed. Obviously

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August will be completed as soon as
possible. So being that today is the

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first day of September. There's
opportunity to complete it as we're only

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receiving bank statements and and the
check images in the next couple of days.

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Um I'm happy to go through that. uh for
the fiscal for the the month of July

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falc 26 bill combined bank balance of
$3,241,000

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$241,741

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of that amount is $90,77843
can be found the village primary

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checking account $1,359,187.73

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can be found interest savings account
remaining balance resides and other

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village funds the village gener
generated $93,64582

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2 cents in general fund income taxes.
This continues a downward downward trend

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in Rita collections which were
approximately 9% lower than July the

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previous year and 6% lower year to date
which this is a significant finding

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significant numbers uh being that the
conversation that will be taking place

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after this received in advance of the
second bannual dispersement of real

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estate taxes from Hamilton County
auditor and homestead roll back uh not

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yet Homestead roll back funds from the
state. uh the amount was $50,000. That

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is significantly lower than what we
would expect for in advance. Um it is

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unclear when those funds will be coming.
Um yet another reason why it's important

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to have a strategic reserve. Uh because
if we are hundreds of thousands of

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dollars short from what the county is
meant to send us, we want to make sure

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that we have that cushion. The village
received $151,925.35

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in general fund receipts. This number is
$6,45141

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more than July fiscal year 25. Um the
the reduction in Rita collections was

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offset by the real estate tax advanced
from the county last year. Starf fund

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earned $5,71528.
The third savings account was down to

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391578.
Um that number will probably continue to

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go down as we pay bills to the uh to
Adita for the yuse and Jar's projects.

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Top five payings for the month were
payroll OPWC rum container opf and jet

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person health plan. Total bill of
general fund appropriation spend for the

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month was $235,70051.
This is $6,936.93

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less in July of fiscal year 25. Um this
is a higher month than usual due to the

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three payrolls, but in the same month in
fiscal year 25 the HUKC paving company

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was paid for $60,000 for the walking
pack. So that's the offset. The village

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had nine outstanding payments that total
$12,86 $12,8616.

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Bill administration will continue mon
appropriation spend make any adjustments

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necessary deemed necessary. If I could
ask for a motion to accept a second

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motion
second

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» any questions?
Yeah.

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[laughter]

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» Yeah, it's it's it's all standard um
finance package.

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Nice. [laughter]

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I guess the most biggest question was
what's that 6 to9% decrease?

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» Yeah. So we don't collect relevant
income taxes. We we um contract with

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what's called the regional income tax
authority read. So anytime you pay taxes

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in G banner, you're not paying to G
banner, you're paying to Rita.

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» They do all the collections for us and
then they send us. Um so their

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collections year to date is about 6%
less than than last year. So is the

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reduction due to something the buildings
here either something get moved around

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or in occupants or whatever or is it due
to simply the in the collection just we

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should expect that to come through
eventually just hasn't hit yet or is it

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overall a worrying trend we have to look
at upping the

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» it's unclear there are a few um it was
holdings based on

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» so yeah so there's there's a confluence
of things um the u

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» [clears throat]
>> the

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» corporate
>> corporate net prompings

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are well be are behind um and account
for almost all of this yeartoday

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comparative reduction. Um
and as he said it's unclear because

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um for corporate net profits
you're able to file up until you know

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the end of October. So sometimes you get
October surprises, sometimes good,

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sometimes not so good. Um but uh right
now to date um those are those are the

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lagards um in terms of in terms of the
depression of tax revenues

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last year what was budgeted um
individual filers um slightly

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little bit behind but not the major
saying

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it's actually meeting expectations um so
some of this around the margins could be

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just a tiny people estimated taxes or
those payments clearing. Um but what you

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know obviously we can't publicly get
into this um confer

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out there amended their previous year's
return maybe upwards of five years ago

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and our data makers are some lost carry
forward or the like. So um we will have

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unfortunately it's towards the end of
the year so we'll have crystal clear uh

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knowledge here in about 30 days 60 45
days but until then this is what in 30

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or 45 days when we'll know if this is
just a delayed

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» or a timing thing or yeah if it's a
timing issue if it's just a one

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quarterly one quarter report was a lot
worse than the other three but

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answer.
[laughter]

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» All right. So, all in favor or is there
any more questions? Presuming that

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all in
>> favors.

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Thank you.
And uh let's see revenue enhancements.

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» Who's doing the presentation on this?
We're going to hand it together.

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» Okay. So, what you have before you pages
of charts?

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» And this is I'm putting this on TV if
you want to view it on the TV, but it's

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literally the same thing. It's just for
some reason didn't come out in color. Um

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the first effect here first page is the
general fund projections. Now right now

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the biggest issues that we have with the
general fund uh is that up until this

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year 2027 we have received just over
$105,000

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annually from Deer Park Silverton uh
excuse me from Little Miami Fire and

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Rescue from the severance agreement that
we have with the fire district. um that

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fire district uh you know that without
going into the history there we had a

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5year separation agreement was about
$105,000 each year 2027 was the final

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year that was essentially subsidizing
our fire services so if you recall I

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think the only person in this room who
two people in this room would remember

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Mr. Mayor and Mr. Fiser. Um, when the
fire levy was originally passed, there

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were a couple different numbers that
were being thrown around, but with the

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knowledge that eventually once these
funds expired that we would not be able

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to cover the full fire contract uh with
the current levy. So, with that in mind,

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the current fire levy and police levy
are both uh are both projected here. I

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mean, it's finally it can't be negative,
but that just shows you how much every

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year it would be going negative based on
current um current price of the

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contract. It goes up about on average 4%
a year. Right now, at the end of 27,

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there will not be a gap. At the end of
28, there will be about $140,000

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gap. 120 to 140. I apologize, I don't
have a precise number. By the end of the

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five-year contract, there will be
approximately $200,000 per year gap

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which will have to be filled by the
general fund. Right now, if you all

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recall, the general fund generally
speaking, the last two three years has

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been kind of hovering about around $1
million, $1.1 million. If it goes up, it

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goes down, but it but the the average is
around a million dollars. um this would

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deplete it in five years which the trend
shows you by 2032 the general fund would

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be out of money. Um and this is just
regarding uh current trends in in

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payments uh current trends excuse me in
salaries regular you know cost of living

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increases um and that fire contract. Um
any questions at this point?

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I think maybe just to take a step back
especially for our newer members on

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council. Um you know the general fund is
the village's life. Seattle is where we

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make our last stand. Um and so prime
directive of any finance director

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manager is going to be what can we do to
preserve and hopefully grow but preserve

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the general fund because that is our
last fiscal line of defense. Um

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and you know and we're looking at you
know with fire levy because those are

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dedicated levy sources. So you know any
of those bodies obviously can't be used

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pave streets or you know mow the park or
those kinds of things you know use for

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those. Um but what what what
the narrative for this evening's

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discussion is that starting at the end
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um we are on track as a village to have
a rapid depletion of the general fund.

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uh to the extent that if no action
in terms of adjusting revenues were to

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occur
and even implementing what limited

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cost reductions could maybe be
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um
the village starts approaching a level

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of uh state fiscal watch, fiscal caution
level uh starting in probably about 20

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30 and then rapidly
nose dives from there. Um, so the good

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news is though is that council has time
to think the matter through and to, you

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know, make the right choice to speak
right on some of these issues. Um, but

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when I first started here and was
talking to people who want the I

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expressed is that the village does not
have a expenditure problem. It has a

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revenue issue.
Um, it's actually kind of impressive

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that local level the the level of lean
around the organization in terms of

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still providing services and and
programming that the village does. Um

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but you know with with the you know
reality that any substantive reduction

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in expenses will have to curtail the
level of service that's that's provided

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to the community in a very noticeable
fashion. Um and so um and also public

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safety um by large by and large and that
is true of most any community in in the

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region. Um public safety is a major cost
driver. It is usually your most

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expensive operational cost here in your
house. It's very vital and important and

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it's one of the core things that local
government does. Um but it also, you

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know, has a cost associated with it. Um,
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some of these scenarios that we are
presenting here tonight are focused on

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that prime directive of how do we
preserve andor begin again to slowly

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build that general fund reserve to then
hopefully allow council, this council

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and future councils to be able to make
investments in the community that, you

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know, unfortunately have been deferred
word. There's just there's just not the

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the horsepower yet financ to do that. Um
and so this is a kind of a sad graph. So

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maybe we'll go to the next one.
Okay. So, what we have here is

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throughout these slides, there are
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as I told the mayor earlier, kind of
three entre on the menu that the staff

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has identified are worthy of
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One, um, you may want to write these
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a
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for a property tax levy for public
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And what is modeled here on the screen
in your packet is um revenues that would

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be generated by an additional six mills.
The idea behind a public safety levy

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instead of just fire only or police only
or whatnot is it allows the village a

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little bit of flexibility
to um address the drivers of of what is

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projected to be the two major completion
sources of the general funds balance. Um

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but it has the ability to help supplant
the general funds annual budget to

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possible. Um, so
what what you're seeing here in this

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graph, I'll let Eric walk you through it
here because I actually made it, right?

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So what you're seeing is a basically
preservation of levy funds. So in the

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first year, the main the main thing to
focus on is the red and the blue. The

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red and blue is police and fire, right?
Although for some reason it's switched,

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but whatever, we'll ignore that. So
police and fire levy um would be almost

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entirely entirely [clears throat]
depleted in the first year um if we do

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nothing. Now you'll notice there's a
large dip between 26 and 27. That's

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because the way that property taxes work
is that any property taxes that are

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passed in the next election, which would
be in May, will not actually go into

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effect until the following January. So
there will be one year where the fire

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levy is basically eating into into the
um the fire fire contract will be eating

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into the levy. Right? We do expect there
to be a significant um increase in

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general general fund spend based on
current appropriations. Um but that

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would level out after the first year and
then essentially the levy funds would be

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replaced every year and would cover the
fire contract and any additional police

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services. Um should be maintaining it
kind of [clears throat] you see it's not

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really getting smaller as it gets as it
gets bigger. I mean it's slightly

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smaller as the contract goes up but it
should last through 20 2032. Um the

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general fund will remain healthy for
about three years, but as staffing costs

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increase in the police department, that
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again, the general fund could be
projected based on this depleted by

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2032. The difference being that there
would be money to continue to pay for

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fire services, right? The the fire levy
essentially the the public safety levy

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would be supplanting those funds. So
this is the least uh this is the least

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um invasive approach. This would be the
smallest foot footprint. This is going

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to be the smallest cost to the
residents. And it puts us in a good

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position that in five years, right, we
well really four years, we'd have to

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address this conversation again
depending on where costs are, depending

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on where the contract what it looks
like, but by 2031, we would have a good

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idea of how much that would be
increasing and there could be smaller

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steps taken at that point to keep things
solvent. It does not solve the greater

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issue of [snorts] staffing in general,
which continues to get more expensive

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every year. and the police department is
certainly the biggest uh the biggest

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driver of that cost. But but this is a
more conservative approach. This would

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be the lower uh the least expense to the
residents. And I think as as Mr. Cal

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said, it's the most universal because
everybody who lives in G Manor is either

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paying, you know, rent or mortgage,
right? Everybody's going to be paying

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this property tax as well as the
businesses. It's going to increase on

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everybody.
walking through what's going

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[clears throat] on there. The the the
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» the gray is the general fund
>> meaning and as that goes down is

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basically showing us how much less is
going to be taken out of the general

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fund due to the levy.
>> What?

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» Yes.
This is showing those are the

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approximate balance.
>> Our general fund is decreasing over time

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that we're spending more than we have
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» That's how much left in the bank.
>> Correct. That's the fund balance.

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» And this is with doing a levy.
>> This is with doing just a levy.

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» So that's what you're saying is because
there's salary will go up. So this is

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not a permanent solution.
>> Correct. This is going to be a stop gap,

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» right?
>> Essentially. Okay. And then

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» being Yeah. our
>> And then the other one is is telling me

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what that's what the actual that's what
the yearly cost is.

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» No, that's the approximate fund balance
of the fire levy and the police levy

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that again they will they will decrease
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generally have a leftover.
>> So this is okay. So that's what these

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two funds will look like if so starting
in 27 for fire.

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» Got it. Yeah. Okay. It is going to
flatline. Every dollar that's received

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is projected that it will get spent. So
at the end of every year, the fire fund

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will have squad.
>> Yeah.

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» And then by probably about 28ish, maybe
early 29, then the police levy fund is

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the same way. So it'll just be an in and
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» and everything. And then the general
fund picks up the the tab on whatever

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needs. Are
>> there numbers and what's cost like what

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what are we currently spending on them a
year? What are those costs going to? You

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know, why is it costing us so much?
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if we're paying an outside organization
to essentially provide services, um I

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would have thought that the classic
setup would be that the taxes would

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offset the classic amount charged. So,
is it is our issue is that we're not

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charging enough taxes or is the issue
that we don't have a good enough

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contract or we're asking for too many
services? Outsourcing certainly, maybe

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we should be insourcing. To me, that's
the fundamental before I start looking

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at maybe taxing more. This is a taxes
issue. If I look at it and the averages

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in the the region is that we're just not
taxing nearly as much as everyone else,

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but every other region's kind of have
the same problem. Then I would have

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taxes.
>> Yes.

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» To answer your question, Park Silverton
just passed the levy because they also

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had an increase in cost and they're
passing on a smaller increase to us at

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4% a year. But but there is an I mean
it's it's increase in staffing cost. So,

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so, so the world of public safety,
especially fire has really changed over

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the last
right before and then right after co it

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really accelerated. So, keep in mind
that especially for fire and EMS

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compared to maybe police operations and
public safety

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um your at rat vehicle [clears throat]
costs are as much if not more of a cost

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driver than actually your operation
expenses for personnel.

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And so I have witnessed in this industry
in the last half dozen years

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um your standard typical fire engine
maybe costing you 350 to $400,000

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is now $900 to a million dollar. And by
the way you can take delivery of it in

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30 months. Um yeah um ladder trucks are
now north two and even your ambulances.

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So you get a E250 chassis and put a box
on it. Those used to be, you know, 150,

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now those are $300,000.
So the capital in on fire and EMS is

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actually more of the driver than it is
inflationary growth and benefits your

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personnel. Um and that's really where
you know, our fire cost really gets

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exacerbated. I think maybe in hindsight,
I don't know, believe it or not, eating

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4% a year of contract increase is
actually not that bad. Um, because

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that's going to be a little bit lower
than what I can tell you is going to be

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Silverton's inflationary cost of just
operations. Um,

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then, you know, on the police end of
life, it yeah, it is driven by your

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personnel costs. Um, and really
even the wage proposal that's in front

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of the council for a second reading in a
couple weeks, that really just places

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the bill just basically kind of in the
middle of the earth. Um, it's not

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necessarily a
a BMW plan by any means. Um, but the the

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thing is is that really the only way to
reduce cost to the police department

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would council to make a decision that
it's best for the community to perhaps

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have a lower lower level of staffing.
Um, and that's a, you know, that's a

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policy decision council level of service
decision. Um but that's really to make

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any type of substantive change on that
trajectory is there would have to be a

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reduction force.
>> What what in staffing you're referring

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to administration or
>> number of officers

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» unless we're about the police more of a
fire how many fires we have on average

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per month and how much are we spending
per month average?

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» So yeah so the main driver like any fire
department in the catch they all should

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rebrand themselves as we are the EMS
department that occasionally fights

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fires. Okay.
>> Um, depending upon the community,

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anywhere from 80 to 90% of your run
volume is EMS. Um, and even that fire

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volume that's recorded fire calls, most
of those are traffic accidents, you

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know, lift assist, you know, those types
of things, down wires, you know, those,

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you know, whatever, not going structure
fires and the like. Um, and so that's

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the driver. Um, keep in mind that our
costs, just like with any department, we

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have our own, um, are offset on EMS
because of EMS billing.

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» Yeah.
>> So, you know, that does help. Um, and at

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least I think keeps the the contracts
inflationary factor lower. Um, but

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that's just unfortunately that has been
way a little bit.

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» Why don't we talk the prices of that
offset cost? So those so those are set

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and established by the centers for
Medicaid and Medicare.

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» Um those are updated I think every
couple years. Um obviously Medicaid

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anyone who's a Medicaid or Medicare
patient on billing scenario that is all

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the FS will pay. Um
most private insurers

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for the most part that's what they their
default will be as well. Um, so not a

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lot of wiggle room on that.
>> If I may, I got an executive summary of

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this right before this meeting and I'm
thinking that it might serve us really

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well to start with that and then we can
dive into some more of the details.

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We're spending a lot of time on one of
four different possibilities, right? And

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so, um,
>> there's some others that are maybe a

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little easier,
>> right? So maybe if we start with kind of

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the [clears throat] overview and an
executive summary. Yeah. You gave me and

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then we could go into the details of it.
>> So that's that's that's one option. The

417
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:39,388
another second option would be um the
proposal of the same levy and mind you

418
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,919
staff is able to model different levy
[clears throat] amounts. We chose and

419
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:49,440
laid it on six
um just to kind of as a hypothetical you

420
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:54,159
know you can model whatever but you know
certain voters tend to also get you know

421
00:33:52,159 --> 00:34:03,120
a little squeamish if the numbers too
high off initial ask that's something.

422
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:07,919
So, next on the screen would be um no no
increase in property tax.

423
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:13,599
Right now, the village has an income tax
rate of 1.7%.

424
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:18,879
This would be going to the ballot and
asking the voters to increase that to

425
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:27,440
2%.
Additionally to that 2% rate request,

426
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:34,240
this scenario would also show that the
village would reduce its reciprocity

427
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:40,079
level to 50%. Right now we give a 100%
credit. So what does that mean? So let's

428
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:46,240
say I live in G Manor, but I work in
downtown Cincinnati.

429
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:49,839
I first pay where I work. So, in
Cincinnati, I'm going to be paying 2.1%

430
00:34:48,818 --> 00:34:53,440
[clears throat] to the city of
Cincinnati.

431
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:59,040
And then there's a look back to where I
live. Well, we provide a 100% credit if

432
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:04,560
you pay
1.7 or more to another jurisdiction. You

433
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:11,119
have no tax obligation here for the
village. Um, or let's say I work in

434
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:17,599
Mason, which is at 1 and a half%. I
would pay 1 and a.5% to Mason and 2%

435
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:24,480
to the village.
What this would do would be um a tax a

436
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:32,079
property tax uh or not tax income tax
increase to 2% and a reciprocity change

437
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:36,640
by council which would just be an
ordinance that would need to be passed

438
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:43,599
by council. um that would change our tax
code that would only provide up to a 50%

439
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:48,720
tax credit. So regardless of where you
work and who who you know the income tax

440
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:53,200
is withheld for where you work and
regardless of how much that is at a

441
00:35:50,880 --> 00:36:00,160
minimum you would still have a a tax
obligation to the village of 1%

442
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:05,359
of your earned income.
As you can see there, that is a scenario

443
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:11,119
that
um starts to accomplish,

444
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:17,200
you know, the 180 that we're that we're,
you know, hoping is achievable in that

445
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:22,800
over time over the next half dozen years
starts to grow the area of the general

446
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:28,320
fund compared to what would be projected
expenses.

447
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:32,320
And let me just preface this while we're
on it because we're adding income tax

448
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:36,640
now
as you folks are wrapping your minds

449
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:43,200
around options and what you think you
know may be the best course. Um changes

450
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:50,320
to the villages level of reciprocity
that it provides to taxpayers is

451
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:55,680
something that resides with this body.
You can adjust the level of tax credit

452
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,960
by ordinance at any time.
Um,

453
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,560
all of the other component pieces,
whether it's an increase [clears throat]

454
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:09,599
in the income tax rate or an increase in
property tax mage, does do require voter

455
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:13,920
approval.
So, there's several options available to

456
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,960
us. Some of them we can do as a body
here. Some of them we would have the

457
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:22,160
only thing we can do it here as a body
is to put it to the voters. All right.

458
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:26,640
Um the uh
so I think it's important to understand

459
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:32,240
each one of those in terms of what the
what we would be getting like how much

460
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:38,079
would this be affecting our
our general um our general fund. All

461
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:44,560
right. So the trend is our general fund
is going down even expenses increased uh

462
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,400
increased expenses over time we're not
able to catch up for it. So we got to do

463
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:52,000
something or what's the projection? What
are we out of essentially having to cut

464
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:58,079
services if we do nothing?
>> You're having to start making painful

465
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:02,400
decisions for 2028 and really painful
for 29. All right. So that's that's what

466
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:06,320
happens. We just do nothing. All right.
So we've got four options here. Again,

467
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:11,200
one of them is something that we can
just do by passing an ordinance. The

468
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:14,960
other three are all is that correct? The
other three are all have to go to the

469
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,839
voters. And we can we don't have to just
choose one. we can do like so if one is

470
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,359
bringing in this much and it's not
enough we got to do this other one but

471
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:29,280
we can like adjust them however we want
to adjust them right the uh I think what

472
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:33,440
was helpful to me was looking at what
have other communities done because to

473
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,480
your point it's not something that we
golf man are dealing with that nobody

474
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:42,960
else has dealt with other communities
have dealt with this and um essentially

475
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:49,119
what other communities have done is gone
the um ordinance route out.

476
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:55,119
» Yeah, they kept their tax rate stable,
>> right? So, if you look at what our what

477
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:59,520
our reciprocity is, what what we allow
for that, that's not what everybody else

478
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,040
is doing. We're we're giving a gift to
other communities are not. And the

479
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,280
reason why they're not is because they
we have to be sustainable. So, in my

480
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:14,000
calculation, that's an important one to
look at.

481
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:20,560
And uh of course we also have the option
of the

482
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:27,119
levy for [clears throat] public public
safety services, right? Um that would

483
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,599
capture a lot of different
a lot of different components that then

484
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,920
is saving our general fund, right? And
it's basically putting out there to the

485
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:42,240
community if you want to keep these
services is very specific to what this

486
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:47,599
tax is for, right? And it keeps those
services out of our general fund.

487
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:52,079
So what it's important that is piggy
back on the mayor is that just so you

488
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:57,839
have a walking around number that the
change in reciprocity

489
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:05,400
um to require just at a minimum 1%
obligation

490
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,400
raises in today's dollars about $225,000

491
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:14,720
that would be the increase
um in terms of you know reducing

492
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:21,760
reciprocity is being reducing it to what
to a minimum of one 1%. So

493
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:24,960
» we only provide you know 58% credit or
whatever.

494
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:29,720
» If we got rid of reciprocity alto
together be like 400

495
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,720
» 37474

496
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,720
» and that that obviously is going to hit
people harder that are working you know

497
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:44,000
not from home. It's going to hit people
harder that are working in in city.

498
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:48,000
» Yeah. So like you know if you said hey
there's a minimum of 1% that has to be

499
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:53,839
paid here if we're only going to provide
a credit for the first 7%. You know if

500
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,119
you say you work in Cincinnati which is
a 2.1 you're you've been used to paying

501
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:05,200
2.1 and nothing here now you're you know
your overall local tax liability will go

502
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:11,440
to 3.1%.
um if you're, you know, working, you

503
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:15,200
know, in a in a township around here,
you know, you're not going to see any

504
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:22,079
difference if the rate stays the same.
But there's there's that to keep in mind

505
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:27,480
the surrounding village villages, how
much um is their tax%

506
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:37,440
what I understand
and city

507
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:41,280
that high or woods at two uh I believe
unless I can't remember off top of my

508
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,960
head I should have had this research I
believe reading and linking are at

509
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:51,920
one and a half maybe one or something
along those

510
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:56,319
» lines are currently at
>> and those others that are at our level

511
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,520
are also they do not provide full
reciprocity

512
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,800
» right some of them don't provide some of
them in the in the Cincinnati region

513
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:09,119
like I think like Glend Dale or
Woodwater or what they may not provide

514
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:14,160
they may only get statutory 1% but they
provide no reciprocity or other

515
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:18,640
communities that are a little bit higher
um may only provide a partial credit you

516
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:23,920
know whether that's a half percent that
has to be paid or a full 1% or one and a

517
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:28,240
half whatever that might be that's
because it's it's strange because most

518
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:32,800
of my career has been in Dayton region
Dayton region all the communities for

519
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:36,720
the most part provide close to if not
all of them but Most of them provide

520
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:40,400
full reciprocity, but their income tax
rates are two and a quarter, two and a

521
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:45,200
half. And that's how they've gotten by
is raising rates and still provide

522
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,000
certain reciprocity. Cincinnati is a
little interesting is that many

523
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:52,640
communities, especially your kind of
your first your first suburban

524
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:59,480
municipalities, have traditionally kept
the rate relatively moderated, but they

525
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,480
have just not provided full credit.

526
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,440
the um they're
the two different strategies as far as

527
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,760
again they don't necessarily need to be
two different ones that can be going on

528
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:16,960
simultaneously but going to the voters
on it versus

529
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:20,560
in the mechanism of passing it as an
ordinance

530
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:24,720
both are accountable to the voters I
mean you can you know if there's an

531
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:28,800
ordinance that council makes that the
community does not like they can replace

532
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,800
all those council members running on a
platform of you know we're going to

533
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:39,040
change the tax code back to the way it
was.

534
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:44,560
So there's not a
I see it as both are very accountables

535
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:49,280
not necessarily one more so than the
other and I think for comparison sake we

536
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:54,640
should have probably also provided a
slide tonight that's on me at just

537
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:59,280
showing what keeping the tax rate the
same

538
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,800
with just the change in reciprocity
Um,

539
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:07,599
you're going to it'll be very close
though to the slide that has the safety

540
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:15,119
levy plus
the income tax 58% across that's pretty

541
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:21,599
close pretty much near that
>> how many residents.

542
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,680
So you know what was the question?
>> So how many how many uh resol

543
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,359
we also have folks working here that are

544
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,040
um
double check I had asked this question a

545
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:50,079
few times to our rep ata and I I don't
remember getting super clear answers. Um

546
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:54,560
it's it's difficult to drill down
because filings come in in kind of three

547
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:58,240
categories, three types of filers. Your
corporate filers and the company itself,

548
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:03,280
you know, they're not residents, but
then you have individual filers.

549
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,480
They may be self-employed. They may just
have LLC or escort passive revenue,

550
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:13,041
whatever. And then you have W2s. Well,
all the W2s are all co-mingled.

551
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,920
There's W2s where I might work
[clears throat] in Cincinnati. my

552
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:22,880
employer withholds on my behalf as a
courtesy and you know I show up as a W2

553
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:27,200
but I also maybe I live in you know co
ring but I work down the street you know

554
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:32,000
at Mills fence company I'm also a W2 so
it's kind of hard to discern typically

555
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:37,599
you know if I had to guess a community
this you know this size with resident

556
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:42,839
population you know I would I would
guess there's probably about 700 folks

557
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:50,240
» out of
>> about 3811. So last 800 I'm sorry

558
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,599
» out of 3811
>> out of 3811 residents. I I'm actually

559
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,319
suspect that it's it's lower than that
because they couldn't they couldn't give

560
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:01,760
me a clear answer. They gave me
percentages. They just said 75%

561
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,119
of
>> our our demographics in the community um

562
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:13,119
were a little grayer than maybe some
other shiny communities. And we have a

563
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:19,200
larger proportion of only single
um income households

564
00:46:16,577 --> 00:46:24,880
[clears throat] with still a a I won't
say disproportionate but a slightly

565
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,880
elevated level of um minors per
household.

566
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:37,200
You said that's going to bring in 200
>> 220 225,000

567
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:44,480
» 2252
>> versus wiping the whole thing out. And

568
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:49,040
that's 375. We said all 380. You just
said no reciprocity

569
00:46:46,707 --> 00:46:53,839
[clears throat] 375. That still wouldn't
get us all the way. You're saying we are

570
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:58,560
solving a problem for
>> Yeah. I mean if you're solving a problem

571
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,160
for about 415 is what we're trying to
solve for.

572
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:05,760
» Yeah.
>> If that we need $415 too that basically

573
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:08,760
by 2032 we are on
>> public

574
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:16,880
about $175.
Uh sorry $265

575
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,040
» for
six because our mill has just gone

576
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:25,920
meaning the value of our mills went up.
Now it's up to

577
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:30,000
» Now it's up to what did we say? 58,000.
Give me one second. I think it was it

578
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,280
was 38500
by 1,700.

579
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,680
Um yeah, it's approximately I'm sorry
226 not 200. So $26

580
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:42,319
per house. Yeah.
>> Per house.

581
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:47,280
» Yeah. So if it's 385 is what we said
divided by 6 that comes out about

582
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:51,400
$64,000 per mill as opposed to what we
had previously. 48. No.

583
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,848
Sorry.
[snorts]

584
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:11,040
» And you've done the numbers like on the
in two scenarios. One, if you just bring

585
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,240
down that um reciprocity by a certain
amount, not the entire amount and bring

586
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:20,079
down by a certain amount. And then if
you that requires that you bring that

587
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:25,599
levy up, right? So if reciprocity is
here and then levy's up here if

588
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:31,280
reciprocity you know it's so yeah so
this was this is the model this is the

589
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:38,400
second page this is going to be public
safety le plus income tax at 1.7

590
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:43,280
remaining but with a 58% private rest
profit which means it's a 1%

591
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:51,280
minimum everyone has to pay off 1% of
the bill and what that does is it raises

592
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:58,800
around what is it 485 plus 225 is about
600 $10,000 annually and the advantage

593
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:04,160
of that is in terms of reciprocity that
will continue to grow slightly because

594
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:08,188
income tax and as incomes go up with
inflation that will slightly increase.

595
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:13,839
So that puts us in a position
[clears throat] where the long-term

596
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:18,640
general fund will be in a much healthier
place. it just doesn't go down nearly. I

597
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,640
mean, it doesn't you see it slightly
goes up and then it kind of falls off in

598
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:29,839
2032 as again as wages catch up. Um, and
that's with an estimated 4% increase in

599
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:34,160
the fire levy which we don't know. 2032
is disaster is after the contract

600
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:40,994
» public safety is going to change how
much? $385,000 is what we project if

601
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,994
it's a six mill [clears throat]

602
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:51,359
» but that won't change.
>> Um the adjusted mill right now is about

603
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,359
91 mills
that includes schools. Does that mean if

604
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:02,359
you know include school you pay like 40
mills 35 mills for the village only

605
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,359
» person that pays taxes every

606
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:14,079
» effective is oh the effective
it's like 20 22

607
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,000
» really
>> 22 mill

608
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:23,880
» for just the village
>> for I think it's 26% of 91 one.

609
00:50:28,099 --> 00:50:30,119
[clears throat]

610
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,040
» Are we good?

611
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:49,000
» You want to go to the lottery or you
want to go to the treasure? Turn on the

612
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
treasure.

613
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,240
» Um

614
00:50:54,319 --> 00:51:01,440
What's
that?

615
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:08,160
Am I correct to understanding that the
reciprocity piece is more stable with

616
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:14,680
regard than the levy would be as far as
continuing to protect the general fund?

617
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,680
» Yes,

618
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,640
that's what most communities it appears
have been doing. So it depends. I mean

619
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,920
it doesn't actually seem like that many
community like Silverton offers zero

620
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,359
reciprocity,
>> right? That's part of what I was paying

621
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:35,839
is the question.
>> They have police with the county

622
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:41,040
» village
total

623
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:45,680
» not what it says how much is it?
>> Yes. I took over money and we have to

624
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:48,720
make sure that we're looking at how much
each person is going to be paying into

625
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,960
this. You know, we look at other
communities what they did, but at the

626
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,160
end of the day, if they're paying
somewhere else and they didn't take long

627
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:00,079
care, we're not paying that. Oh, yeah.
We have to work on what the at the end

628
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:04,880
result is going to be with our
either people making money or living

629
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,319
here, what they're paying,
>> right? Yeah.

630
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,480
So, that's what I'm trying to figure
out. Yeah. My sense of it where I'm at

631
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:19,359
with it is that it's that the
reciprocity I'm more inclined to say um

632
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:25,599
that that's where the bulk of it should
come in terms of the balancing act

633
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:31,280
because it's more stable. Um so right
now the effective rate I'm sorry 25

634
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:37,680
» where do you get that
reduction? It's 42 42 mills voted and

635
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,880
then there's a 41%
>> res Oh, fine. That's why you Okay, I'm

636
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,880
sorry. I was looking

637
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:52,720
» that's average around their area.
>> No, that's just

638
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:56,280
» so on a $200,000 house here in town.
Let's just say that

639
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,559
» your property tax bill. What did I say?
20.

640
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:06,880
» Yeah. So you are paying to the village
$1,750

641
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:13,920
in property taxes.
So that's about $145 a month.

642
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:16,920
That provides your roads, your streets,
total.

643
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:25,040
» It's on $200,000 house.
>> Um

644
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:31,280
we're going to add on 250 to
>> No. Uh oh. Yeah. Sorry. At the end of

645
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,280
the year 226 226. Yes. Correct.

646
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:40,072
That's the levy.
>> So village taxes for property would be

647
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,072
around 375 [clears throat]

648
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,880
that price

649
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:48,359
3750

650
00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:02,319
plus 225
that's almost $2,000. So pay $1,000 for

651
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,880
per $100,000.
>> 200,000

652
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,280
» per Yeah. Oh yes, you're right.
>> Just to make it simple. Your own

653
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,077
property.
>> I like where you're going.

654
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:18,400
» With the new levy, you pay
[clears throat]

655
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:22,480
um about $1,000 or you're paying now
about 800.

656
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:26,522
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

657
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:32,240
» A little more. You almost pay 900.
[clears throat] Right. Go up to about

658
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,800
every 100,000. That's if we add on the
public safety

659
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,520
itself
>> at that amount.

660
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:46,160
» Yes.
>> Now, if that makes pays income tax

661
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:49,839
right now,
there'll be adding on,

662
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:55,040
» right? So if a person's let's say
$80,000 a year and they would if they

663
00:54:53,359 --> 00:55:00,000
work outside of the village and right
now the village acknowledges their taxes

664
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:04,079
paid to the city of Cincinnati and not
charging. So that would be an additional

665
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,800
$800
as well

666
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,359
$800
that they have never

667
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,520
be the net increase.
>> Correct. And so to the village 1.7 not

668
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:23,200
going to be touched.
>> Uh correct

669
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:28,880
» if we keep going.
>> Yeah.

670
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:35,200
» How common is the public saf?
>> I mean Amberly has one. It's common. Um

671
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,920
» what would that come that is that charge
per individual? Is that that's per

672
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,280
household?
>> It's per household based onund like

673
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:47,599
based on millillage which is per
$100,000 of valuation. That's what

674
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:52,799
» house has in a house. Yeah, it's just
value property

675
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:57,599
has a million dollar house obviously
a little bit more $100

676
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:02,240
» right
>> surrounding villages for example Amberly

677
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:07,040
how much in total mill are they
>> much less than us because their value of

678
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:14,720
properties is significantly higherly
village alone uh their total millage for

679
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:19,680
their full rate is
>> voted rate is actually, interestingly

680
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:26,799
enough, not that much less than us. It's
about 107, but their um their adjusted

681
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:31,680
rate is significantly lower. I guess
it's just whatever their tax. So our our

682
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:38,160
full rate officially according to this
is

683
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:43,040
135. Theirs is 107 but they're you know
around us.

684
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:49,760
» Uh so deer park deer park is total full
rate is 155 significantly higher than

685
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:56,640
us. Uh silver is 151.
Um

686
00:56:51,680 --> 00:57:04,000
Wyoming is 164. So I mean again total
full rate of millage

687
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:08,960
we're not we're not all that high but
we're not this on

688
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,720
» what was that
>> we had this is after we added on or

689
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:17,680
before
>> all before if we would add this on so

690
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:24,000
that would add six to our total voted
millage that would put us at

691
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,000
13 141

692
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:32,319
Okay. 141 is not
>> it's not what we're paying right now.

693
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:36,799
» It's not really there's a 40% reduction,
>> right? So basically to us but everybody

694
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:41,119
else reductions.
>> Yeah. question about property taxes

695
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:46,319
because it's very Byzantine to try to
understand but you know

696
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:51,440
all things being equal what let's say
say somebody like the city of Mason what

697
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:59,960
they could raise in hard dollars for one
mill may take a community like Golf

698
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:59,960
Manor seven mills to do

699
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:08,720
» so if you want to know in terms of um in
terms of total mills

700
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:12,720
» terms of dollars
dollars. I mean that you'd have to go

701
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,240
based on the it's it's I don't know if
we can pull that so quickly

702
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:23,920
» because every village has to figure out.
>> Yeah. We also have their overall assess

703
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:28,319
valuation right that we don't know.
>> And we also break down the difference

704
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:33,720
between resial versus commercial
industrial

705
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,720
different.

706
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:41,799
» All right. A lot of other states make
this really easy. It's property tax

707
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:41,799
sales tax. It's just a percent.

708
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:51,440
Um but I think the reciprocity is easier
to understand.

709
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:55,359
» Yeah. I think what the the takeaway from
maybe tonight's discussion on this is

710
00:58:53,359 --> 00:59:00,720
that
reciprocity

711
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:04,760
a adjustment to reciprocity to at least
require a minimum of 1%

712
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:15,680
coupled with some level
at or around six mills of extra property

713
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:21,119
tax millage maybe something less
provides the village you know some extra

714
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:27,760
runway
um and I see this slide um it's not how

715
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:34,799
Eric titled this slide I call this slide
the north we slide because what this

716
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:38,480
scenario does maybe even without the
public safety levy right now. Maybe

717
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:43,119
that's something that's a fall
consideration

718
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:48,559
is
whoever you know

719
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,960
is in this room, you know, sit around
later

720
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,960
and council collectively spearheading
the redevelopment of that area. If you

721
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,880
can provide something that will that
will create some income tax revenue

722
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:06,400
whether that's through employment or
whether that's through new res

723
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:11,599
residences residential something higher
density

724
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:16,720
then potential level of need for future
you know property tax increases maybe

725
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:22,720
dissipates or goes away.
um you know if that's if that's a hey

726
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:27,599
collective you know position of council
is let's do something now but maybe not

727
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:32,240
everything right away and let's see what
we can maybe accomplish in the next

728
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:39,079
couple years. You know that's not
necessarily a bad call either but you're

729
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,079
just trying to charge around this.

730
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:51,520
» When do we do this?
>> That's a really good question. So

731
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:55,680
um if it is council's brothers to adjust
reciprocity level

732
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,799
ideally it would be great for that to
take effect January 1 [clears throat]

733
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:07,040
new tax year that would require
legislation to start

734
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:14,319
in October.
Um if anything that you desire to do um

735
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:21,839
would require placement on the May
ballot that legislative process will

736
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:26,559
have to start probably November
because that requires first council to

737
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:30,799
pass a resolution to ask the auditor
g will so many mills raise and then

738
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,640
auditor will certify that amount and
send back to us and then ultimately you

739
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:39,119
folks will then be asked if you still
want to proceed to then has an ordinance

740
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:43,599
to place that on the ballot and we have
to be what 100 days out from the filing

741
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,599
100 days out from the election the
filing time. So

742
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:50,079
» yeah, so being absolutely would be
resolution of necessity would be the

743
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,880
December meeting.
>> Yeah.

744
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,480
» That we'd get a offer certificate of
resources and then resolution proceed

745
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,720
would have to be in the January meeting
because it's a February 3rd deadline.

746
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:08,440
» That's right. It is.
>> So yeah. So really anything maybe wise

747
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,440
just to start it next month

748
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:16,559
my questions again
uh feels to me we I'm new to the council

749
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,640
so I don't know how long this has been
on the table so I want to just drag that

750
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:25,680
into the past but to me my starting
point when [clears throat] I'm when I'm

751
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:29,440
faced with this kind of you know
budgetary problem my first my first

752
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,720
thing that I look at before I even look
at what are the possible increases is is

753
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,240
the current contract and what can I do
to lower the expenses which I just feel

754
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:38,880
like I completely I had no idea what
what we're spending what we're getting

755
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,640
out of it what are what are other
options to cut our expenses I personally

756
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:45,680
would wouldn't even look at this before
I have a much better picture of that and

757
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:49,040
nail down all the expenses and costs and
say this is just it and now what it is

758
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,480
and then I think these are some great
solutions and I'm pretty much in the

759
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:56,160
same boat as you you know make sure
between those two items I think it's

760
01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:00,079
probably a pretty good move although I
probably also would hesitate to put it

761
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,880
all in place before we actually need it
but to

762
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:06,240
This is this is all secondary. The first
thing is what are the contracts and

763
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,880
expenses? Are we able to put that
forward before voting on on this?

764
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,880
» Oh yes. I think that dot tales well into
kind

765
01:03:16,423 --> 01:03:18,443
[clears throat]

766
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,760
of [laughter]
>> great question.

767
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:28,760
also understanding like why all of a
sudden

768
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:34,480
» exactly so I think an important point is
there is nothing all of a sudden about

769
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:40,559
this
>> this is we knew about this 5 years ago

770
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:47,280
and the previous administration was more
focused on I think the um the

771
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:51,920
possibility of developing north the
possibility but but no concrete plans

772
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:59,440
had really been um had really been
explored a Um the we're not in we're not

773
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:03,359
in danger right now. Um
>> we're just smelling smoke.

774
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,520
» We're smelling smoke and there's there's
a million dollars in the reserve right

775
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,960
now.
>> Yeah.

776
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:13,839
» And that reserve will be depleted in
three years, four years if we don't do

777
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:18,559
anything now. But nothing needs to be
done this year.

778
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:24,799
» But I think the analogy that uh that Mr.
shallow wave which um

779
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,599
the coal barge right you cannot co turn
a coal barge right before you hit the

780
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,440
big
>> end of the river the river start

781
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,119
thinking ahead of time
>> this is this is thinking ahead of time

782
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,599
» I no problem I totally agree I think
this is a great conversation I think

783
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,359
it's something that definitely needs to
be rectified I'm just saying I would

784
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:44,720
like to look at the expenses part of it
>> and there's no vote there's no action

785
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,960
this is this is beginning that
conversation

786
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:53,280
» so if I may we can switch to
preparation. Okay,

787
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:57,839
» that is not on the screen. Um, you are
welcome to follow along with your copies

788
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:02,079
as an extra
>> I know how much you love. [laughter] So,

789
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:06,240
this is the this is the appropriations
of the general fund. I'm just going to

790
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:11,049
go through a general overview because I
think you have not. So, yeah, that's the

791
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:13,069
five pages like this.
>> [clears throat]

792
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:20,400
» Um
so we start the very first paper we're

793
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:24,880
just starting with the general slide and
this is just kind of a preview to kind

794
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:30,640
of gather some feedback to see you know
are we right zip code some things or not

795
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:36,720
or if there are other council priorities
like um but on this general fund which

796
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:40,160
is our primary operating fund and it can
be used in general service

797
01:05:39,215 --> 01:05:44,720
[clears throat]
Um

798
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:51,440
we are projecting so at the top of the
top of this this chart um are is the

799
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:57,680
revenue section and then second half are
our expenses obviously that are listed

800
01:05:54,160 --> 01:06:02,319
and so we are expecting right now we
have adjusted it based on what we're

801
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:07,520
seeing income tax wise we expect that we
will have a starting fund balance

802
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:15,920
January one of just a little more than a
million dollars so you you can see kind

803
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:22,240
of, you know, we had a little bit of a
uptick. Now we go back down to kind of,

804
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:26,160
you know, equal the room. Um, as you see
here, [clears throat] our major revenue

805
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:31,680
sources,
uh, one at 750 or 775,000

806
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:36,400
are property taxes that go to the
general fund. That is our inside

807
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:40,240
millillage. Um, in addition, we have
some voted millage that actually is on

808
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:45,920
the ballot here in November. We know it
still stays the same. We'll get a lot of

809
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:50,480
remarks on this real quick. Um, and then
our then our largest general fund

810
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:55,200
revenue source is income tax. In this
proposal, we are projecting income tax

811
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:59,839
to be flat compared to where we're at
this year.

812
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:04,000
um that may be subject to maybe a slight
adjustment between now and two weeks

813
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:08,480
from now, but we are willing to be
conservative um because we are a

814
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:13,000
jurisdiction that we don't have the
margins that other communities do in

815
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,000
terms

816
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:30,359
to adjust it. It's it's it's just it's
not working.

817
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:38,240
» Um
when we look at, you know, state share

818
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:42,160
taxes, we do get about $65,000 a year in
government fund revenues from the state

819
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:46,000
of Ohio. That's just a direct payment.
Um as well as some reimbursements on

820
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:51,359
some of the homestead exemption,
property tax roll backs.

821
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:56,240
Um we do have some special assessment
revenue. It's very dimminimous. That's

822
01:07:53,119 --> 01:08:00,480
usually when we have to use golf
painters finest landscaping service and

823
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:06,319
mow people's yards for them and and
build them. Um and some other things. Uh

824
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:11,839
the charges for services
um that is the Rumpky contract. That's

825
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:18,799
really just an in and out. Um we do have
some fine revenue, fee revenue and and

826
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:23,679
earnings on our investments. Um we're
projecting this to kind of be flat. We

827
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:28,080
don't necessarily believe we'll see a
substantive rise or a major decline in

828
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:35,359
the
federal open markets committed

829
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:38,719
rate. Um so and we we are more actively
looking at our investment portfolio to

830
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:44,560
kind of maximize yield as much as
possible.

831
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:50,319
Um the biggest uh delta that you'll see
here and this is here just for

832
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:57,920
discussion purposes um um is uh in the
intergovernmental line item um that's a

833
01:08:53,759 --> 01:09:03,120
that number is assuming that as we'll
get further down into the budget

834
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:08,560
proposal here for potential capital
projects that would be revenues that

835
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:16,880
would be coming in from sorta um for a
75% share share um of of a proposed

836
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:22,239
project um with you know the village
matching being 25 plus plus engineering.

837
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:30,400
We we'll go into much more detail on
that momentarily. Um so by and large

838
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:36,480
looking at a relatively flat revenue
environment um compared to you know

839
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:41,279
previous year last couple years um
somewhere you know in the $3 million

840
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:47,839
range.
Um and so now we go

841
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:55,120
to the expenditure portion of the
general fund. Um, and let me preface

842
01:09:52,080 --> 01:10:01,600
this that you'll see some police and
fire line items. So, our police

843
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:09,600
department's operations
are funded first by the police levy

844
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:17,440
and then what remains is picked up by
the general fund. Um and so

845
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:24,159
for police, for personnel services,
along with some other related costs, um

846
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:30,640
we're looking at
um about 1.2 million for um police

847
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:36,880
operations
um that are not covered by the uh police

848
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:42,159
levy.
Um we do have just some minor for street

849
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:48,400
lighting. We do electric and joyfully
sends us that bill and um and then you

850
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:53,280
see the rumpy contract there at 318
change. Um you'll see that our

851
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,120
collections are a little bit higher than
that 318

852
01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,840
um only because then you also have to
pay back waterworks has a collection fee

853
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:07,380
to deal with a few other odds and ends
there. Um so that fun that that

854
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:12,719
operation essentially breaks even year
[clears throat] to year. Um

855
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:18,159
We do then have our administrative
costs. One thing you'll see here and it

856
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:25,360
was a slight adjustment maybe to
comparison previous proposals in years

857
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:31,360
past um is that overhead costs for the
administrator's position and fiscal

858
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:35,920
officer have been broken up between
multiple funds.

859
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:40,320
um just to show that you know there is
you know certain overhead and

860
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,320
administrative you know cost allocation
to other funds other than just the

861
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:53,600
general fund
and so you'll you'll see that uh that

862
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:57,360
map mapped out there. Um
that's really where you see the largest

863
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:02,880
reduction is in previous years there was
158,000 and change for you know mayor

864
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:09,280
ministry of office other that's been
reduced down to 69,000

865
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:17,440
um the same way and I also want to say
that for personnel services you're going

866
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:21,199
to see wow Nathan that number is really
a lot more than last year what's going

867
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:27,040
on
This is more to present the budget in

868
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:32,400
terms of especially for council to show
this is that what's our true personnel

869
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:38,159
cost. Previous budgets you had personnel
cost which was just salary and wages

870
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:42,880
only but then the benefits package was
embedded in other line items. This is to

871
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,880
allow you to see, okay, whole hog, what
do we have? What what's it cost for

872
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,719
personnel instead of having to hunt
through the budget of, okay, Rene's

873
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:56,400
wages are there, but her health
insurance premiums over here, and then

874
01:12:52,880 --> 01:13:00,000
EWC and, you know, Medicaid, Medicare
withholding and the roll up and is over

875
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:04,400
here. So, we want to be able to just
show that, you know, in as much, you

876
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:11,760
know, transparent fashion as possible.
just we we show that um we do have you

877
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:17,600
know uh some costs for buildings and
grounds um some you know board

878
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,520
commissions unfortunately we we get
property tax revenues but then we have

879
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:29,199
to pay the auditor the treasur's office
to

880
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:36,239
do their statuto jobs um and the biggest
the the two biggest bogeies um on this

881
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:42,000
general fund and the like are um
the cost for legal services.

882
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:47,679
Um you know, we've had a bizarre last
probably 12 to 15 months only because of

883
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:52,080
the cyber attack. And I mean, you know,
we have some extra legal expenses that

884
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:57,280
are being reimbured by insurance and the
like and you know the village to engage

885
01:13:53,840 --> 01:14:01,920
with a solicitor firm. Um and there's
been some onboarding and some uptick in

886
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:06,080
bill hours that seems to be plateauing
and we're hopefully in the right

887
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:12,741
direction. Um, I think it's more than
reasonable to say, all things being

888
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:18,159
equal, that $10,000 a month or less is
[snorts] where your legal expenses not

889
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:24,400
only should be, but will be avoided next
year. Um, and and frankly, maybe maybe

890
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:28,880
less than that.
Um, but that's, you know, that's

891
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:33,840
something to to, you know, monitor and
the like. And then you know we show a

892
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:37,760
capital out layout of the general fund
um just because as we get into the

893
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:43,280
county street fund the public works
related funds um you know there was fund

894
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:51,520
balance and I think you know the speaker
um you brought this up. So wanted to

895
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:56,880
just show to council and everybody okay
um what is the capital outlays

896
01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:03,400
versus take a year off or whatever. What
does that do with fund balances and the

897
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:03,400
like? So that 710,000

898
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:13,679
um about 650 of that is is for the
[clears throat] potential bus stop

899
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:18,640
enhancements there in the vicinity of
Rosedale and we

900
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:23,520
um
I'm still kind of taken aback a little

901
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,560
bit by that number, but
once you start getting into the roadway

902
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:30,719
and start moving utilities and
everything else, it gets kind of

903
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:35,280
expensive. Um the thought on that one
and this may be something that the

904
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:40,719
village lands on an alternative path um
and solution. That price tag is I will

905
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:47,520
say was kind of a worst case scenario in
that we if that facility were to be

906
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:53,199
built what we would do is we would give
we curve the curve a road diet and we

907
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:59,360
would kick out the Rosedale
side we heat out bump it out so that

908
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:03,840
that new structure
first of all isn't right on top of that

909
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,880
house at the corner also alleviates
domain takings and all that

910
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:11,840
unpleasantness
Um but moving that curb line, ripping up

911
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:17,440
that road and then some of the storm
sewer modifications and utility

912
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:22,640
relocates would be looking at 650 was
thought by JMA, our engineering

913
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:26,560
consultant, to be a safe number.
Probably be less than that, but it's a

914
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:33,199
safe number.
That 650 would include engineering cost.

915
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:39,679
Um and the thought would be okay the
village um could in early next year

916
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:47,040
apply for sort of funding for that. Sort
of typically we'll only pick up you know

917
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:52,159
at most 80 but say okay 75% of the
construction cost

918
01:16:49,280 --> 01:17:00,000
with the village picking up the 25%
and you know the engineering. Um and so

919
01:16:55,440 --> 01:17:05,679
that's what that is. Um as we will move
into the street the street street fund

920
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:11,040
permissive tax and gas tax funds you
know it's staff's recommendation that we

921
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:15,199
have been on a pretty steady cadence
over several years to where we are going

922
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:20,560
out
partially funded project for street X

923
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:24,880
street Y street Z most recently you
folks authorized an agreement for

924
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:29,600
Rosedale
in consideration of the condition of our

925
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:35,840
infrastructure here, which is in
fantastic shape in most areas compared

926
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:41,520
to so many folks around this county.
It's thought to be prudent that we take

927
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:48,400
a breath, sit out a play or two of the
game, let the let those funds replenish

928
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:53,920
themselves, and then start back because
longer term, you know, I think it's a

929
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:58,159
it's it's a wise thing for the village
to consider further enhancements off the

930
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:03,120
Santa and some of the other secondary
streets. And there also may be a need

931
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:08,080
for some of those capital dollars for
the redevelopment of North Mey area in

932
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:14,480
the near future. So this gives you
options without sacrificing

933
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:19,760
you know significant you know
deterioration of of certain streets and

934
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,320
roads here in town to the point where
it's not just minor reconstruction and

935
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:29,040
mill and fill. It's to full depth repair
which is

936
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:32,719
not good and expensive.
Um and before you move on on that

937
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:36,000
because I think it's unfair for me to
address this uh having a bus stop

938
01:18:34,744 --> 01:18:40,640
[clears throat] at that corner. So we
had done a study number of years ago

939
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,760
about you know which bus stops are the
most used and everything. One of the

940
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:47,440
things that I raised is on one of my
running routes I was recognizing I have

941
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:52,000
a whole bunch of students waiting for
school standing in the rain all the

942
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:57,600
time. I talked to the um CEO over at
Sorta about hey can you give us some

943
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:01,440
funds to have covered bel shelters? We
got statistics from our most recent

944
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:06,239
census stuff that says that we have a
huge percentage of people that are using

945
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:11,120
public transportation. We don't have any
covered bus stops here. The only ones

946
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:19,280
there are two that were potentially
eligible. One was on the corner of the

947
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:25,199
north where excuse me the almostville
where you have the stop sign where it

948
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:29,840
then turns and heads on up to ridge. Um,
and then the other one is over here on

949
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:34,480
Wehei. The one on Wehei had more. Um,
and so that one's the one that was

950
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:40,800
eligible for funding where they could
not pay for the the cover of it, but pay

951
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:45,360
for um putting in basically like a chair
and redesigning and everything. That's

952
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:48,960
outside of the relationship with the CEO
of the company [clears throat] talking

953
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:52,480
about, listen, this is huge. Can you
help us out with that? Right? No

954
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:57,920
guarantees made on that. That was a
conversation I was having a couple years

955
01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:00,880
ago on this. Um I discussed with Nathan
what you know what would be the

956
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:04,480
possibilities like what would that look
like because one of the issues is that

957
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:09,520
you know you got a house right there
right we don't want to just put it in

958
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:13,120
the person's yard right and uh I was
thinking it was just a dead idea because

959
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:17,199
of that right we put on the other side
but then was brought to our attention

960
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:22,000
there'd be a lot of expenses with having
a crosswalk there and and all this kind

961
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:27,040
of stuff so what Nathan has suggested is
well what if we uh

962
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:32,000
basically where cars are parking there
on the side of Leuhi. Bump that out and

963
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:35,920
make that the bus stop where they're
parking, you know, build it build it

964
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:40,719
right there. Uh, which I thought
[snorts] was a a fantastic idea. Um, my

965
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,840
understanding because I've been in the
loop on what's going on with the budget

966
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:48,560
for quite a while is it's absolutely
something that we can't afford right

967
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:52,880
now. Um, so in terms of it being put
into the budget, this is the first that

968
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:56,800
I've heard about it that it's actually
like in the budget. And what I'm

969
01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:00,159
understanding, Nathan, to say is that
it's a placeholder that can be used for

970
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,440
a lot of different things. Is that what
you were

971
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:07,960
» Yeah. Essentially
passage of budget doesn't necessarily

972
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:18,239
go for any type of capital outlay. Um if
say that project wasn't pursued

973
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:23,120
obviously the revenue side would
probably be reduced as well because you

974
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:27,360
know there wouldn't be you know sort of
dollars or some other third party

975
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:32,880
funding source and the like but this was
just thrown out really sincerity for

976
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:37,520
discussion to see is this something that
folks have an appetite for or not. And

977
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:42,480
so you can see that, hey, all things
being equal,

978
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,679
assuming you get some grant loving and
then what would have to be picked up

979
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:51,600
locally, you're looking at probably
about a two to $220,000

980
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:57,679
potential reduction in the general, you
know, local dollars that that would be,

981
01:21:54,400 --> 01:22:01,760
you know, not reimbured
with construction and engineering. And

982
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:05,920
and the thing about the general fund and
why I think all of us would be so

983
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:10,400
interested in protecting it is it allows
us to do things like this for our

984
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:15,600
residents, right? You know, you take a
portion of it one year and you know the

985
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:20,239
next year you're still budgeted for that
amount. Your your general fund isn't

986
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:23,679
going down then, right? But we have to
do something to be able to make those

987
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:30,440
kind of projects possible. Otherwise,
we're continuing to have less and less

988
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:30,440
services like that for our people.

989
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:42,280
What project did we do this year over
last year? Last year had 1087.

990
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:51,840
» So we did uh
and bridge acres.

991
01:22:48,960 --> 01:23:01,880
Now we also have some preliminary costs
for engineering for May flower which

992
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:01,880
hopefully will be here about 45 days

993
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,972
water works for less water [snorts]

994
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:13,679
but going forward for right now the only
thing that um and it's already been

995
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:20,000
encumbered
as part of this year is Rosedale

996
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:25,679
Chuck Arman that project
So beyond that, [clears throat]

997
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:32,000
there's nothing of a significant nature
um in the hopper

998
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:36,600
um capital standpoint that would be
coming from the the street.

999
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,960
So
and really that's going to allow the

1000
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:48,719
street lef
allow it to rebound because we're

1001
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:53,760
already in the year pretty
in that fund because we have and for

1002
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:58,800
good and for good purposes we through
good deal that's where it's for

1003
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:03,080
» where are we saving money by the mayor
administration officers

1004
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:14,038
offices other than 69
>> so this is yeah

1005
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:17,199
so really let's let's take police
[clears throat] personal services and

1006
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:21,280
other those two items
Think of those as as those should be

1007
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:26,480
combined into correct
>> what's your personal cost. So um right

1008
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:32,719
now you're looking at fairly status quo
in that last year this current budget

1009
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:38,080
year was 1.4 million basically and
you're basically around the same number

1010
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:44,480
um for 27.
Um we were very fortunate. Um we got a

1011
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:48,400
0% increase on
Michigan for this upcoming year. So

1012
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:53,440
that's fantastic.
>> This is this is just a reclassification

1013
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:57,480
of how those funds are are being
reported. Um

1014
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,760
» what the the one the one

1015
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:08,280
not the same as

1016
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:14,199
» that's correct. Oh you're saying why is
there significant reduction

1017
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:26,159
» so what was the major I think it was the
health insurance is the big s is one of

1018
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:31,520
the big savings there. Yeah.
>> So, previous

1019
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:36,440
administrator was on
>> it was a more expensive health insurance

1020
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:36,440
plan.

1021
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:45,120
Okay. Then it goes back then it goes
back to the previous year

1022
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:48,800
2027 December.
>> Yes.

1023
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:53,440
But it's also the um like the there's
certain benefits which are we nor we

1024
01:25:51,840 --> 01:26:00,239
normally paid them out of the what is
the 158 in 2026 in 2027 [clears throat]

1025
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:05,760
those benefits are being paid out of the
administrator line item which is that

1026
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:12,239
two 255
is it's it's a little bit confusing of a

1027
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:16,159
shuffle. Um, and I'm clarifying with the
auditor of state whether this may

1028
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:20,239
change.
>> Yeah, that this this may change by the

1029
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:24,560
next meeting just because there's
there's a little bit of a legal

1030
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:31,920
ambiguity in how certain funds are
supposed to be shown and how uh we've

1031
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:35,280
been doing it in the past,
meaning for the last five year, four

1032
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:39,120
years that I'm here. And if you look at
any previous budget sheets, they all

1033
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:46,000
look similar to what we have in this
current budget year. Um, I don't have a

1034
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:51,520
I don't have a great explanation why it
was always done that way. Um, but we're

1035
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:58,679
we're making sure that it's being done
correctly with the auditor and those

1036
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,679
conversations are ongoing.

1037
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,960
» So, we show them our numbers and then
they say, "Actually, you should show it

1038
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:05,920
this way."
>> Correct. Right.

1039
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:08,480
» You end up with the same aggregate
amount.

1040
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,910
» It's Yeah, exactly. It's just a question
of okay.

1041
01:27:10,890 --> 01:27:12,910
[clears throat]

1042
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:22,960
» Going back to the 710.
>> Yeah.

1043
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:27,520
Why is it at 710? If you said our only
be 250.

1044
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:33,520
» So our out of pocket, I'm talking about
a net cost to the general fund. So

1045
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:38,960
that's 710. There's more than just that
$650,000 project in there. There's a CG

1046
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:44,800
kind of match. There's a few other
things for next year, but you know,

1047
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:50,000
we're talking like 50 grand.
Um, it is what you'll see here is that

1048
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:54,800
there's that cost, but then some of that
cost is offset by the 510,000 in

1049
01:27:53,280 --> 01:28:02,320
revenue.
And so we're in the 200,000ish range

1050
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:10,600
probably, [clears throat]
you know, that would be the net

1051
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,600
impact with general fund 200

1052
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:18,239
versus
um

1053
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:23,920
it's not dollar
like that

1054
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,679
75%
last Here we got

1055
01:28:25,561 --> 01:28:29,239
» [clears throat]
>> um 400,000

1056
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,960
rest.

1057
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:45,600
So these are appropriations
um which some of that money was

1058
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:51,920
encumbered then or has been now
encumbered this year

1059
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:55,679
um as as or not encumbered but it
depends on the revenues when they come

1060
01:28:53,440 --> 01:29:01,600
in. So like as you remember like some of
Bridge Acres should have been done last

1061
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:06,960
fall and it just now got closed out and
so we are now those re the timing of

1062
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:09,960
those reimbursements has changed.
>> So

1063
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:20,960
what do you mean?
So the the question is really just is

1064
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:24,639
that is there a desire I think at the
end of the day is there a desire council

1065
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:31,920
to pursue
you know something there at Rosedale

1066
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:34,560
or football or what
math

1067
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:38,120
» yeah
whatever comes in

1068
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:53,080
» 510 is based on whether or not we get
for 75% for the cost project.

1069
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:53,080
» There's other projects

1070
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,000
other rooms that

1071
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:06,400
» not other rooms. The the 510 only
includes the reimbursement for bus stop

1072
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:11,600
and then CVG funds. So here the 710
would [clears throat] be the actual or

1073
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:16,080
the safe estimate 650 plus 60,000. The
other road funds are not dealt with

1074
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:20,840
directly in this in the general fun.
They're going to be on on page four.

1075
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:26,199
» If we drop it down,

1076
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:32,920
» it's still Yeah, it's
>> kind of

1077
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:43,719
» Is there anything we could do with
the girls?

1078
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:43,719
road.

1079
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:06,000
There is a potential
that we could include a bid packet at

1080
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:10,280
alter
at least get pricing on it.

1081
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:18,639
And technically, if it was council's
brothers, we wouldn't necessarily have

1082
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:26,080
to
pay out of pocket. We could request just

1083
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:32,679
an add-on to the loan amount from OPC
for that project and pay zero interest

1084
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,679
for 20 years,

1085
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:39,120
which would probably be cheaper than the
sort of to begin with.

1086
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:47,520
Um,
can you look into that?

1087
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:52,360
» I most certainly can. That might be that
might be the middle path on something

1088
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,360
like this.

1089
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:12,159
» So that's for the um which is also
There's two funds which we have not yet

1090
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:19,360
put on here. Um Mr. Cow reminded me but
this this uh would be basically the um

1091
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:24,000
this is the termination of benefits fund
um and the and the vehicle replacement

1092
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,120
equipment
>> vehicle and equipment replacement funds

1093
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,320
» both the same.
>> Yeah, they're just it's transfers out.

1094
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,520
If you see that at the bottom, those
would be would be transfers,

1095
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:38,400
» right? So those are basically like
savings accounts into separate funds

1096
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:46,000
that would be slowly building and we
built projections to make sure that the

1097
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:52,280
building roof HVAC all the uh cars and
equipment will be

1098
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,280
» yes

1099
01:32:53,040 --> 01:33:01,199
the idea is you know this is a
discretionary move by council choose not

1100
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:05,360
to do it you know totally dr um but the
thought was to create. We already have

1101
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:11,600
the termination fund which should back
on us. Um but the proposition of

1102
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:17,520
creating the equipment fund which would
charge the general fund police fund or

1103
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:21,679
you know some of the public works funds
a little bit of depreciation every year

1104
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:26,000
that would be transferred into this fund
and it's almost kind of like a forced

1105
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:30,960
savings account. We just have the fiscal
discipline that I'm just going to move

1106
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:35,040
it away every year. So that when the
police chief walks in here, walks in the

1107
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:38,719
administrator's office in about four
years and says, "Guess what? You know,

1108
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,239
we we bought all these cruisers all
around the same time and now they're all

1109
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,159
getting replaced around the same time
and everyone's going, "Oh, holy gez,

1110
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:51,040
Batman, what's going on?" We're like,
"Oh, no. We have a fund for that. We've

1111
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:54,639
saved for it." And so you're not getting
the the up and down of hey everything's

1112
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:59,440
great and all of a sudden now there's
this big supplemental appropriation

1113
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:04,280
really remember what's coming. So it's
more just kind of even it outs and

1114
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:12,639
so next time you know Jim needs a new
dump truck we've saved for that for the

1115
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:17,440
last seven years
or whatever else.

1116
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:22,639
So, um,
>> is that divided per item?

1117
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:26,960
» Yeah, I mean it's there's there's a lot
of specific items that

1118
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:33,360
» Oh, no. What I mean is what I've seen
historically when such a fund is created

1119
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:37,440
when it's all lumped into one sum, then
as you said, police officer, you know,

1120
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:41,360
walks in and says, "I need three new
cars." He says, "Great, no problem. We

1121
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:46,159
got the money." You hand him everything.
And then the dump the trip the the

1122
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:49,600
dumpster comes and wast
his is even worse condition. But because

1123
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:53,520
you had the money you gave a much easier
yes much faster when really if the money

1124
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:57,520
hadn't been there and you do have to
kind of divide it up and everyone's

1125
01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:01,920
panicking that's when grinds and exact
numbers was things divided up into

1126
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:06,639
depreciation assets per capita which is
what most bigger companies have it set

1127
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:09,360
to to offset this exact problem. Then a
police chief walks in and says, "I need

1128
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:12,000
three prisons, but there's only one
accumulated, so let's buy you one."

1129
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,440
» Correct.
>> Yes. So that's So you you get the nail

1130
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:20,239
on the head. So without getting too
wonky on this, um some of the money

1131
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:25,120
that'll be coming into this fund will be
general fund. That's just do whatever.

1132
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:30,000
But the portion of the pro of the
transfers every year that maybe come

1133
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:33,920
from the street lobby fund or or the
police fund, those will be accounted

1134
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:38,320
for. or [clears throat] it'll show an
overall fund balance, but there'll be a

1135
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:42,159
sub fund, maybe two sub funds or three,
however you want to do it, and that it

1136
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:45,440
will account for to make sure that there
is segregation that if there's some

1137
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:51,360
police loving money that comes in 5
years from now, it doesn't go towards a

1138
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:56,239
new backup and vice versa. Okay? But the
depreciation levels that are being

1139
01:35:53,120 --> 01:36:01,520
proposed are
are estimated to well that will cover

1140
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:07,600
the replacement cost. I say for cruisers
the replacement cost net of trade in

1141
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:12,159
value of what we expect in five years,
six years, whatever the case might be.

1142
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:15,920
But to make sure that you everything's,
you know, we're all imperfect, you know,

1143
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:20,639
but we think it's at least better, hey,
we save 92% of what it really costs us

1144
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:24,000
than you come to council and say, yeah,
oh, by the way,

1145
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:28,600
forgot to mention that there's, you
know, couple,000 now forces

1146
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:38,000
out of control. There we go. There we
go.

1147
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:41,679
» I for that just just to see that. So I
think I think the takeaway I think with

1148
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:45,199
discussions on the general fund is I
think he and I will go back to the

1149
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:52,000
drawing board a few things. I think we
can probably present to you in two weeks

1150
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:58,480
a fairly more balanced proposal
in terms of revenues and expenditures

1151
01:36:55,119 --> 01:37:05,040
and kind of show how that that can work.
I think we'll be in a really good place.

1152
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:09,679
Um so that's the general fund.
The rest of this will go much quicker, I

1153
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:15,840
promise.
Uh the next the next fund is just our

1154
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:22,000
fire fund. As Eric and and others, you
know, uh communicated that

1155
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:27,280
this has been a fund that has been
depleting,

1156
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:30,800
you know, not not rapidly, but it's now
starting to stop. It's going to start

1157
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:37,280
going in the wrong direction, but we
know that. And so after 27,

1158
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:42,159
at the end of 27, we were projecting
about 156,000 left in the fund and then

1159
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:50,159
that will be all spoken for and taken
care of in 28. That goes to our original

1160
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:54,960
discussions this evening. Um, but this
is, you know, 100% being

1161
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:59,840
down.
>> So the uncumbered balance at the very

1162
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:03,679
bottom or excuse me, the fund balance,
I'm sorry.

1163
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:06,960
» Yeah. um 1231. So
>> that's what you were saying that there

1164
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:09,280
we were getting monies every year from a
previous thing that ends in the end of

1165
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:13,760
2024.
>> Our last our last payment from the

1166
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:19,920
former fire district was this year.
>> So that's it. You see on miscellaneous

1167
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:24,000
» 2026 109,13527
we've been getting alimony for several

1168
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:27,440
years.
So

1169
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,960
so that ends and so that's but that's
really and there's nothing really

1170
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:34,480
exciting about that fund. It is
money comes in and then we pay the fire

1171
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:38,520
contract.
>> Revenue is still going down.

1172
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:50,239
» Uh the police levy is a similar
situation based on where we're at, you

1173
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:58,400
know, in terms of the council feels
right on whether to do it or not. Um but

1174
01:38:53,920 --> 01:39:03,040
this is something that we spend down um
the police levy predominantly first

1175
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:07,520
before
dipping into the general fund you know

1176
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:13,440
in concept. I mean we we pay out both of
them starting January but this is how we

1177
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:19,040
model it but we are um you know we are
paying for certain personnel costs and

1178
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:25,360
the like and this is also where we are
paying leases

1179
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:30,639
on the these purchase of the vehicles um
and the like. So really just kind of

1180
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:36,000
more status closed the proposal it is
dropping down a little bit. It has been

1181
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:40,159
previous staff's um kind of MMO and
makes a lot of sense to me that we try

1182
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:43,920
to leave just a little bit. We don't
drain it fully every year just to leave

1183
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:49,920
a little bit of cushion just because of
the nature of the operation and you know

1184
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:56,239
things happen. So um but you know as
this sheet shows we're we're getting

1185
01:39:52,560 --> 01:40:01,679
there in terms of you know crunch on
balance. Um so now we move to the street

1186
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:06,560
funds. So the next couple funds that
we'll talk about are street fund and

1187
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,840
then on the back sheet you'll see some
of our last sheet you'll see some of our

1188
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:15,679
smaller funds but you'll have street
fund permissive tax and gas tax.

1189
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:20,560
Street levy that's what it is that's
those are the property tax proceeds that

1190
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:27,199
we get off the road less um that are on
the books. The permissive tax is that

1191
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:32,960
extra add-on fee every time you have to
go to the BMD and get new tags uh for

1192
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:38,320
your car. Everyone knows doing that. Um
we do have um you know a portion of

1193
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:43,520
every time you go to BMD and renew your
tags, a portion of that check you write

1194
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:49,840
to the state actually comes back to the
village. It's on a per license plate

1195
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:56,000
basis. Um, as was rings with council
earlier, um, it's a modest revenue

1196
01:40:52,480 --> 01:41:02,719
enhancement, but the village has one
additional $5

1197
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:10,800
per tag fee that it could impose that
would raise about $18,000 annually, but

1198
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:14,480
just something, you know, if there's um
appetite for that. I mean, we could

1199
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:20,080
start that legislative process, you
know, whenever desired. um with that.

1200
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:25,040
But these funds, all of these funds,
what's important to know is that it can

1201
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:31,360
only all these funds only go towards um
maintenance and capital outlay for you

1202
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:36,480
know streets and storm sewers and um
related equipment and personnel. Can't

1203
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:45,119
go fun the police department or pay the
fire contractor or the like. Um bust up.

1204
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:49,360
It could very well could. It may. We'll
see here in a second.

1205
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:54,480
Um,
>> um, the biggest thing that you're seeing

1206
01:41:51,280 --> 01:42:01,360
in budget year 27 is you're seeing a
significant amount of intergovernmental

1207
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:06,400
revenue and that is a byproduct of
expecting to have reimbursements from

1208
01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:12,639
OPWC for both Mayflower and Rosedale
which will be

1209
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:17,360
» probably both in some state of
construction simultaneously. Mayflower

1210
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:24,639
will start earlier, but Rose Dale will
probably start in July of next year,

1211
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:30,159
maybe August is the latest. Um,
so those just account for what we expect

1212
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:36,719
to be the the reemergence from OPWC.
Um, and then we have, you know,

1213
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:39,920
offsetting 1.5 million for street
reconstruction because even though we're

1214
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:44,719
getting those revenues, we're the first
payor of those costs before we get

1215
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:50,880
reimbured. we have to appropriate the
those amounts. Um this also includes uh

1216
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:57,360
some uh community planning and zoning
work. Um which is just I mean that's

1217
01:42:54,719 --> 01:43:03,360
literally just some
personal cost there

1218
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:07,600
whatot and then really just kind of your
normal stuff. The other thing that

1219
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:12,800
you're going to see and we can give you
more of a detail if desired is you'll

1220
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:18,400
see debt service at the end of this fun.
So this is the fund also we are paying

1221
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:24,800
all of our existing OPWC loans.
Um several projects in the recent past

1222
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:29,040
where a certain percentage of the OPWC
money was grant which we love grants but

1223
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:33,440
the remainder was in the form of a
20-year low interest loan or no interest

1224
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:37,440
loan I should say and so that accounts
for those annual payments. I think we

1225
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:40,239
have what? Six.
Six projects. There's five.

1226
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,679
» Five.
>> Five.

1227
01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:50,400
» It'll be six after six. So, right now,
we're paying debt service on five legacy

1228
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:54,400
projects over so many years. Um,
but all in all, you're seeing a decline

1229
01:43:52,639 --> 01:44:01,920
in the ending fund balance down to about
a half million dollars. And that's why

1230
01:43:56,719 --> 01:44:07,679
staff's kind of recommending that for 27
is that there's maybe not consideration

1231
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:13,600
of applying for any OPWC or other types
of partially funded projects of that

1232
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:19,840
nature and allow there to be maybe a
positive uh increase in the ending fund

1233
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:24,239
balance for the end of or end of 28 that
hopefully get there a little bit closer

1234
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:28,960
to a million dollars
or at least 850ish.

1235
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:34,320
which then allows you to have some
options to pursue projects maybe that

1236
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:37,320
may require some a little bit more local
match

1237
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:44,000
but really just kind of the basics
there. Um

1238
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:48,072
and then finally
um you know we we showed the street

1239
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:53,520
reconstruction which we just
[clears throat] we just talked about. We

1240
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:56,960
do have some various minor special
revenue funds. Some of these we show

1241
01:44:55,199 --> 01:45:01,920
only because they're legacy. You'll see
that there's Corona [clears throat]

1242
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:08,400
virus. So there's the CARES Act. Um you
know we have you know license fee. There

1243
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:12,880
are certain law enforcement funds. So um
there are you know certain fees that are

1244
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:16,400
charged by the court
likely come back to us but they have to

1245
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:21,600
be used for very specific purposes like
you know training or want to be used for

1246
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:26,880
equipment or whatnot. Uh the federal law
enforcement trust is one of those. Those

1247
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:32,080
are when when our officers are part of
uh federal uh federal efforts that

1248
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:37,040
result in the forfeiture of assets by
the courts, we get a percentage or based

1249
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:42,000
on you know various factors of some of
those foreure sales. Um but that can

1250
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:47,520
only be used for certain restricted
purposes as well.

1251
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:51,760
Um there is one note here just so you
know we are approp we've already

1252
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:57,920
appropriated
um but the uh fund 2151 that's the ARPA

1253
01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:05,840
fund
um bad news on that one in that um

1254
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:11,840
that is actually going to be liquidated
before the end of the year

1255
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:19,760
um and sent back to Treasury.
Unfortunately, the village didn't take

1256
01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:26,840
necessary action to encumber those funds
prior to the deadline which was

1257
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:26,840
December of last year.

1258
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,920
Website not coming out.

1259
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,840
» Yeah.

1260
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:46,719
Treasury Treasury regulation on our vote
was that it had to be committed. That's

1261
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:52,000
what the federal register defined as you
know defined as it was committed. What

1262
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:57,520
that really means in our clature at the
local level here in Ohio is that we had

1263
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:01,760
to either have it encumbered by purchase
order or council had to have authorized

1264
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:06,320
some sort of contract or project in
connection with

1265
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:09,320
24.
So

1266
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:16,800
26
>> the first um the first payment of the

1267
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:20,480
website I don't believe actually came
out of that. I think the

1268
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:25,920
What was it that came out of that? Was
was the

1269
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:29,360
walking path? Yes, the walking path is
what came out of that.

1270
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:33,440
» We started doing the website
and we approved it.

1271
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:38,719
» Correct. But it ended up the the payment
actually was [snorts] not made out of

1272
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:41,840
ARPA because more out of the I can look
up the specific numbers, but I don't

1273
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:47,000
believe it actually ended up coming out
of ARPA. It was going to be the second

1274
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,000
half was come out.

1275
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:54,639
was supposed to
>> the walking I have to I apologize I have

1276
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:58,480
to look up there was one other major
purchase that I think it end up being

1277
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,199
that could be mistake
>> why wouldn't that be committed

1278
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:04,719
considered committed we've already
allocated the monies to come in the

1279
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,800
second the website that considered
committed already

1280
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:10,080
» because it was supposed to have been
committed in 24

1281
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:14,239
only
>> approved it 24

1282
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:17,480
» what the website
>> was before

1283
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:26,880
» I believe it was 25.
>> Yeah, it was in the fall. I could be

1284
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:33,880
wrong. I would hope that was wrong.
>> Melody was on council.

1285
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,880
» Yeah, that was October 25.

1286
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:40,600
» She left in November or December this
past year.

1287
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:44,360
» May I have tried to get creative
[clears throat]

1288
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,360
office?

1289
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:56,400
You know, the village has consistently
appropriated that residual 79 grand the

1290
01:48:52,639 --> 01:49:01,679
last couple years, but has never
encumbered or spent it um attached to

1291
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:06,800
any type of expense.
I was even on the line to say well you

1292
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:10,000
could argue that
it's committed because it's been

1293
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:19,520
appropriated and you know it can be used
as revenue replacement in police offic

1294
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:23,920
but yeah there's pretty clear clear
determination

1295
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:31,119
what
if the walking path isn't done yet

1296
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:36,320
can be used on the walking path
because we specifically

1297
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:40,320
encumbered in your mark the amount of
money for that

1298
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:46,080
contract.
So it's a certain amount of money. This

1299
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:51,520
is not just the purpose of it. Yeah.
>> So when we agree to

1300
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:58,280
that we're funding website and we want
to take parts

1301
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:58,280
that way.

1302
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:06,199
So
all turned into a pumpkin at the end of

1303
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,199
24.

1304
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:18,960
So just so you know, you will see that
not be there any longer by the end of

1305
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:26,880
the year. So that's that's what we got.
Um, other than that, um, there is one

1306
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:31,679
thing that I think, um, is a good policy
discussion for council and community

1307
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:36,719
members and others to have is that
although there isn't a huge amount of

1308
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:41,199
money in it, but it's it's it's it's
building over time and it will over the

1309
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:46,320
next years is what if any, you know,
what if there's any specific village

1310
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:49,920
would like to see the one Ohio recovery
fund dollars go towards?

1311
01:50:52,000 --> 01:51:01,360
just
start think

1312
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:06,159
» um current balance is around $25,000.
>> Yeah,

1313
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:09,840
we're
>> now

1314
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:14,080
just sit there and grow. There's just I
mean every year we get a couple thousand

1315
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,800
dollar and we've been collecting a
couple thousand dollars a year for about

1316
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:22,080
five six years now.
>> Yeah. And is there any strings attached

1317
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:29,560
to how we use it?
>> So it has to be per the pharmaceutical

1318
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:29,560
companies settlement.

1319
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:37,119
It has to be used I'm paraphrasing but
it has to be used

1320
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:43,040
for programs, initiatives and other
efforts that are related to mitigating

1321
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:49,760
the opioid crisis.
So communities in this region and across

1322
01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:56,480
the state have typically used these
monies for certain health departments,

1323
01:51:53,599 --> 01:52:01,679
you know, or you know, drug addiction
services.

1324
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:06,880
Um seen some funding for you know
homeless uh homeless you know mitigation

1325
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:14,080
projects
some public safety but then

1326
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:19,920
predominantly EMS type of maybe
purchases or

1327
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:24,320
something that um I know in Middletown
we use some of it when I was there we

1328
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:29,199
used some of it to we actually bought
bought a side by side altering vehicle

1329
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:33,040
only because that's how we got into a
lot of homeless camps in the city

1330
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:39,599
because they were back to the Molly
Grubs and so you know you know stuff

1331
01:52:35,679 --> 01:52:44,880
like that um or helped fund um so in
that city they had what was called HRT

1332
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:51,119
stands for but essentially at the height
of the opioid crisis I typical day there

1333
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:57,360
there were multiple ODS a day and this
team was a specific team that would show

1334
01:52:54,080 --> 01:53:01,679
up with a paramedic a social worker and
you know plain clothes, you know,

1335
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:08,400
officer and would show up at the
residence of whoever ODed

1336
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:12,880
and survive the next day or two. Check
in with them to see, hey, here's some

1337
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:16,800
counseling. Here's some other options
for you. You know, we care about you

1338
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:22,560
more than just when you're on the run
sheet. Dispatch just tell us to go take

1339
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:27,679
care of you and try to, you know, obey
it that way. So

1340
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:31,760
» what's it budgeting for your
>> It's just essentially to be it's just

1341
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:35,599
budgeting the whole thing to give you
the options just so you don't

1342
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:39,119
appropriate specific
>> it's appropriated with no intended

1343
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:45,360
» where does the money come from?
>> So it comes from a large multiational

1344
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:48,639
settlement like with
>> um

1345
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:51,520
from
these

1346
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:55,119
» Yeah. And there's and this one opioid
fund is kind of being used. There are

1347
01:53:53,360 --> 01:54:02,320
multiple settlement agreements like you
know with Walgreens and you know

1348
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:06,560
you know and CVS and then with what was
the the

1349
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:10,239
family group that they all filed
bankruptcy died from it. the Sandler

1350
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:14,320
family, you know, that whatever
pharmaceutical company that was, you

1351
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:18,159
know, this that and the other, but they
said, okay, here in all the states, we

1352
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:23,599
are going to, you know, put this money
in this trust fund for the set purposes,

1353
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:28,880
but there are strings attaching.
So, different communities get different

1354
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:33,360
amounts um depending on there's a
commission formed at the county level

1355
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:39,199
that decides which communities were most
impacted, right? And so you get a

1356
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:45,520
percentage of that funding countywide
based upon their assessment of how much

1357
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:49,599
your community was affected by.
>> I'd be curious what creative ways other

1358
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:56,400
villages have used that money because
I'm sure there's a few places that have

1359
01:54:52,000 --> 01:55:00,000
like how how great does this get?
>> You know, some people might think drugs

1360
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:03,520
are getting rained on waiting for the
bus. I mean, who knows?

1361
01:55:02,469 --> 01:55:09,040
[laughter]
Well, and and it's it's been established

1362
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:15,040
both at the World Health Organization
level as well as um federal and and

1363
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:21,280
trickle down to the state level that
events that promote community um attack

1364
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:25,199
the drug problem. All right. So,
>> I mean, so excellent example of what I'm

1365
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:28,480
saying, like what's considered a good
community service, which I think a lot

1366
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:32,560
of people in the village actually
appreciate something like,

1367
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:37,760
» right? I was uh thinking just you know
spitballing that you like do a community

1368
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:42,960
art project. I love the like the um the
Harmon statue of uh know the ball player

1369
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:47,440
and everything else. I love those kind
of statues, right? I like the ones that

1370
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:51,199
like promote family like where you love
the one in McGomery where you have like

1371
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:53,840
a bicycle with a kid on it. You got the
family like helping with it and

1372
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:59,199
everything. Always thought it would be
nice in our village.

1373
01:55:55,679 --> 01:56:03,679
» Yeah. Let's dig a little bit. Um because
the issue thing with this money is that

1374
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:07,599
obviously the money was coming but then
the state kind of trying to figure out

1375
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:13,679
how to organize and it kind of fell onto
these little regional districts maybe

1376
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:18,560
large counties you know we kind of start
moving up and there wasn't a lot of

1377
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:23,520
guidance other than the language within
the settlement agreement but it's

1378
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:27,840
so that was kind of one of the things
the state and some of these county or

1379
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:32,560
regional level you
boards are supposed to kind of spell out

1380
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:37,360
is that okay here's kind of the list of
example things that like yeah no problem

1381
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:42,800
you know you can spend it on
>> so 20,000 isn't a lot like a smaller

1382
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:47,440
thing you know nice or something but you
potentially we know this money is coming

1383
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:50,960
and we want to take a one of these
non-interest loans and try to make for

1384
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:57,280
the next 10 years that this money will
your market pay that off potentially

1385
01:56:53,360 --> 01:57:02,159
make a much bigger type of thing. Yeah,
basketball court is definitely an

1386
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:06,280
option. So, let us dig a little bit and
come back with some better answers.

1387
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:19,440
» Cool. Depends on the settlement. Um,
some of the settlements are like

1388
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:24,159
10, 15, maybe even 20 years worth of
payments.

1389
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:27,119
Um, some of them were maybe four or five
in.

1390
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:45,400
But again, like every payment we get is
somewhere between $600 and $1,800.

1391
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,560
» Right.

1392
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:03,599
You have like a just to show a whole
range of things. You have a workshop

1393
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:06,639
every couple months where you bring in
some drug counselors.

1394
01:58:05,871 --> 01:58:13,159
[laughter]
>> Yeah. All kinds of options. I like the

1395
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:13,159
community ones.

1396
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:21,520
Um I know that's rather abbreviated but
[clears throat] and the like um

1397
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:25,520
takeaways from a stack perspective I
think are we're going to do a little

1398
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:30,159
sharpening
um come back with a general fund

1399
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:39,840
approach more balanced
and like um I guess

1400
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:45,599
our job is to help you folks make
decisions more easier

1401
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:48,719
fashion. So
after everyone has some time maybe just

1402
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:54,560
to kind of think sleep on some things or
whatnot. If there are specific scenarios

1403
01:58:52,000 --> 01:59:01,520
you want us to run on revenue
projections we will crank that out very

1404
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:08,560
quickly um so that you know you all can
deliberate and come to a decision that

1405
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:13,760
you think is best for for the community.
Um but you know I think the problem

1406
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:19,920
we're solving for is we're trying to the
comfort level is some combination that

1407
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:25,840
gets us to about four and a quarter
enhancement. Is that all right? Um yeah,

1408
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:30,719
that's 450ish
gets us

1409
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:36,639
by us time
>> and grows slowly if it goes with any

1410
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:42,080
income tax, you know, adjustments, but
that may that that's a that's a

1411
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:45,840
decision. Yeah, I will also say and I
think the mayor brought up this several

1412
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:50,320
months ago just so you're aware it is
getting towards the end of the year and

1413
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:55,040
so
however you feel about this the general

1414
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:59,920
assembly will be back in session soon
and the last couple months of every year

1415
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:03,440
they usually push some legislation
through very quickly. They usually also

1416
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:07,199
have maybe what's called a Christmas
tree bill where it's kind of one of

1417
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:10,239
these things that no one can be against.
It's like, you know, some sort of

1418
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:13,840
household that says we all love puppies
and then everybody in the brother throws

1419
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:19,199
on unrelated amendments to it to get
things through they couldn't otherwise.

1420
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:24,320
One of them is to preclude Miss Alice
from changing their income tax credit

1421
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:28,840
without going to. So that's just
something to think about in terms of

1422
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,840
timing.

1423
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:37,199
» That looks like the mayor has to tell on
this one. It looks like it's going to

1424
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:42,719
get slipped in whether that's on the
Christmas tree bill. There's House Bill

1425
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:48,480
113 that's circling onation and CR stuff
and it's a Frankenstein monster thanks

1426
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:51,719
to the bird Claremont County, but it is
what it is.

1427
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:55,000
Okay.

1428
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:59,800
Just just piggy back.

1429
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:10,560
» Um, regarding our current police, I'm
sorry, our farm police department.

1430
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:17,040
That's fine. Our current fire,
our contract was negotiated five years

1431
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:22,080
ago. At that point, it was a lot of of
the old contract. At that point they

1432
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:27,599
tried to turn over every stone and
figure out is there any other path to go

1433
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:32,560
and they couldn't find now when we
signed resigned the contract on the city

1434
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:38,080
what steps were done and wasn't looked
into if there's another approach or

1435
02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:42,239
cheaper approach.
>> Yeah, there was a number of things that

1436
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:45,280
were looked at. I'll let you speak to
that.

1437
02:01:42,719 --> 02:01:49,599
» Yeah, I can speak that the fire contract
is my 10 years. that fire contract was

1438
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:56,560
the first meeting that was here ready to
go. I think it kind of you know this is

1439
02:01:53,520 --> 02:02:03,280
what we got for right now. Um the issue
you're raising though Mr. Fischer is the

1440
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:08,480
timing of that is perfect. Um because
for the village to pursue some sort of

1441
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:13,440
alternative it's probably a process that
you want to start now only because it's

1442
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:17,920
going to take a few years.
um you know it's a lot of coordination

1443
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:22,000
it's a lot of conversations both public
and private with maybe partnering

1444
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:27,040
communities or you know whatever other
direction council wants to go but um I

1445
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:31,440
think that that you know if that is
something collectively council wants to

1446
02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:36,400
continue to look at um you know I don't
want to come across I don't believe that

1447
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:43,280
you know the village is is stuck in a
bad contract contractual situation

1448
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:49,280
um what is different though compared to
either doing it in house or the previous

1449
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:55,040
situation with little Miami
um is that the village

1450
02:02:52,880 --> 02:03:02,159
is not an equity partner in the
district. It has no claim to any assets.

1451
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:07,040
You the village is a renter period. Um
you're just purchasing a service.

1452
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:11,520
There's no equity to build. There's no
you know seat at the table for you know

1453
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:13,679
managing the organization. Not that
there's anything wrong with

1454
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:19,520
organization. But yeah, I mean that's
something that you know that's council's

1455
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:27,679
brothers. So that's something that
preliminary work needs to start now. Um

1456
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:33,520
and really there may be ability for you
know price reduction one way or another.

1457
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:38,639
Um the lynch bin is finding a
alternative service provider

1458
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:43,599
that is open to it.
Um, you would think Golf Manor were

1459
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:50,800
surrounded by a lot of communities, all
kinds of sides. There may be something

1460
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:57,239
out there, but there may not be. So,
and it's one of those services, too,

1461
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:57,239
that it's as much as it is

1462
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:02,199
more

1463
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,760
um

1464
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:12,880
To be clear, my understanding is going
to probably answer

1465
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:17,280
» this question. My number one question,
>> bunch of your questions are going to be

1466
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:22,800
answered right now is that
in order for us that contract when we

1467
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:28,639
allowed it 5 years ago to go when we
switched out of Little Miami into

1468
02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:32,880
um De Park,
it was said then this is a perfect

1469
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:37,599
contract for the next five years. At
year two or three, we're going to start

1470
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:42,639
working on looking at a new place.
This place went through a lot over the

1471
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:48,800
past two years. So for us to be able to
put together another plan within two

1472
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:52,719
months or a month from when we got into
that position is not something that I

1473
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:58,880
was able to do. It was easy to take this
or we don't have fire department more or

1474
02:04:54,800 --> 02:05:04,320
less. So um and the contract wasn't that
bad in the first place but we just don't

1475
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:08,560
have the funds allocated for it. And all
along we knew this was going to come up,

1476
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:14,080
but we also assumed that we're going to
have administration that's more closer

1477
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:17,679
to to be able to see is there something
another approach or what we have to do

1478
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:22,960
like we have to decide now we're going
to have to get more

1479
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:26,800
um are we stuck five years?
>> No.

1480
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:32,239
» No, we there is a termination provision.
I think it is. Yeah, it's one year

1481
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:38,239
notice.
>> Okay. Um I mean precisely what what I

1482
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:43,760
was saying before to raise taxes I need
to know what all the alternatives are to

1483
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:47,599
lower the expenses and you know a just
different versions of what people what

1484
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:50,960
other villages do in terms of their fire
and then even if we're going to stick to

1485
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:54,080
this rental style option just like you
said we have a bunch of communities

1486
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:58,000
around just warrant a phone call to each
one

1487
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:03,199
it's way more comp
>> I want to hear about the politics

1488
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:07,599
go through there is a different options
that could be pursued and discussed and

1489
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:12,639
it is going to take as as administrator
said very well it's going to take more

1490
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:17,040
than just like that one of my parts
about me join the council my violent ang

1491
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:22,422
I've been in is I don't do politics
what's the problem what's the solution

1492
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:22,422
and here I am folks [laughter]

1493
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:31,920
» um so my my my humble opinion to this
situation is that we are we have to keep

1494
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:36,639
the current contract alive at le at at
at least for now. Do we have to and we

1495
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:40,480
have to work on be able to see if
there's another option out there or not?

1496
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:45,040
At the same time, we also have to go
ahead and make sure that within that

1497
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:51,440
time period within the next two three
years, we have to be able to have funds

1498
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:59,360
to to um keep us keep that contract
alive. Um, so my approach would really

1499
02:06:54,719 --> 02:07:05,199
be that if we're just going to not go to
add on to all in our village another

1500
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:11,280
$200 or $110
per $1,000 to them and not ask for a

1501
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:15,840
levy right now. We could always do that
next year. We don't have to do it right

1502
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:20,159
now. But for us to go ahead and those
that are have income that have not been

1503
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:26,320
paying into the development income taxes
and ask them to help us out with our

1504
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:31,119
police department. I think that is a a
decent ask for

1505
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:34,880
» you're saying it's a property department
>> correct

1506
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:39,360
to go ahead. Meaning these those people
did not pay income tax to this village.

1507
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:43,760
They make money and they live here. They
pay property tax. They never paid into

1508
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:47,040
the village from what they earned.
>> Well, they're paying they're just paying

1509
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:52,079
they just pay somewhere else. So,
everyone is located somewhere else.

1510
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:56,960
» Correct. That should come out where you
live also to protect your house and

1511
02:07:54,719 --> 02:08:00,639
protect your fire and protect all that
and the fact that you're like you said

1512
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:04,239
if you're going to buy lemonade in the
service when you buy it here in this

1513
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:09,040
state when you buy it there you should
be paying the place that you're buying

1514
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:13,520
it and and over here we're getting the
services you're getting the services of

1515
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:17,040
fire here you should be paying for it
for sale

1516
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:20,960
» I agree with you as it is the closest
logic and pure logic I simply disagree

1517
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:24,000
agree with the starting point meaning I
agree with you fundamentally why should

1518
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:27,599
it start with the where the business is
located it should go where the person or

1519
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:30,800
at least has to be split on some
theoretical levels I agree with you as

1520
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:34,000
it being the closest logic if I have to
input one I would put this one as

1521
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:37,360
probably the top
>> but I still say the expenses and there's

1522
02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:42,239
no
>> and my opinion is then this point tell

1523
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:47,040
me if you agree but at this point
there's absolutely no way for us to cut

1524
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:51,679
ser to cut expenses unless we cut
services to say that fighter. There's no

1525
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:55,840
we're in a contract and it's going to
take more than two years for us to build

1526
02:08:53,920 --> 02:09:00,400
another relationship or build up a
relationship that we want with other

1527
02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:04,239
departments to be able to go ahead and
join them for that fire if they would

1528
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:09,280
give us a better contract that we don't
know if they will to be able to cut

1529
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:13,280
those expenses. So from this point on we
need to be able to at least get

1530
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:18,320
ourselves flowing in the right direction
over the next two three years. That

1531
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:23,920
would be my opinion. Also, our revenue
and our general fund is declining either

1532
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:26,880
way. So, if we decrease our expenses, so
it will hold us for longer, but it's not

1533
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:30,239
going to solve the problem.
>> Well, it's only decreasing our general

1534
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:34,880
fund because it's getting taken because
the fire is taken out of that fund. If

1535
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:38,800
the fire stop, then it won't decrease
only in the immediate future.

1536
02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:41,800
» Yes. And in the long run
>> because

1537
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:53,119
we
are then are we inputting we we're

1538
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:57,520
taking a very specific metric that we
know is a hard metric because have

1539
02:09:54,880 --> 02:10:04,239
already voted on the uptick in in
salaries. But we input what would be a

1540
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:08,320
projected let's say 8% income increase
based on real estate valuations going

1541
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:10,719
up. Is that part of it which would
offset salaries?

1542
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:13,040
» So you got to love the state
legislature.

1543
02:10:12,275 --> 02:10:19,840
[clears throat]
>> Um by their infinite wisdom um some of

1544
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:27,599
the property tax reforms air quotes
included um the um

1545
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:32,639
inside millage capture.
it is now subject to the inflationary

1546
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:36,960
cap.
So I'll paraphrase. Let's say

1547
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:43,119
[clears throat] you're in accounting
auditor goes out and says everyone's

1548
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:49,119
property values increased by 20%.
Well, it used to be for all the unvoted

1549
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:52,639
inside millage that actually grew. It
didn't have any reduction factors. So as

1550
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:58,000
things increased in value, your millage
at least on that inside 10 mills that's

1551
02:10:55,040 --> 02:11:00,639
between you know the facility or village
of the township when the school district

1552
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:07,599
prevails. They at least got some
inflationary. Now, it's based on some

1553
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:11,360
state auditor taxation or whoever is
going to determine annually what the

1554
02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:16,000
inflation cap is. So, let's say
inflation's 3% although you saw 20%

1555
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:22,960
increases in your value of all your
properties in town, you can only collect

1556
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:27,280
3%, not 20 on an inside village. All
your voted all your voted levies are

1557
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:31,920
stuck.
It's kind of tax is capped to whatever

1558
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:37,840
inflation is
>> it's capp on the mill

1559
02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:41,760
now the mill will go up but your mill
state so technically that's what I was

1560
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:45,119
asking that's the actual mill not what
the mill is on paper

1561
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:49,480
» but the mill go up if our property
>> notable no

1562
02:11:51,040 --> 02:12:02,159
» so um
when we say a voted devoted millage. Um,

1563
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:07,840
it's really not a millage rate forever.
It's a mil snapshot in time. Exactly.

1564
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:13,199
It's on the day of that election or that
year of that election. What's the mill

1565
02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:20,719
rate? But so let's pretend you're in a
town with uh with uh nine you and nine

1566
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:27,679
neighbors all have the same house, 10
houses in town, and you have a millage

1567
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:33,199
rate that um there's a levy passed and
the mill rate is going to bring in $100

1568
02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:38,079
a year. So you and each one of your
neighbors is going to pay 10 bucks a

1569
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:40,960
year on that levy. But then somebody
moves into somebody comes to town and

1570
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:46,320
says, "I'm going to build myself a
house." And now you have 11 houses. And

1571
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:50,719
so now you still need to bring in, you
know, I'm going to fudge the math a

1572
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:57,520
little bit. That levy is only allowed to
bring in $100. So the new neighbor you

1573
02:12:54,400 --> 02:13:03,280
have is going to pay $91 and so are all
of your friends and neighbors. you have

1574
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:10,719
the reduction factor because what you're
voting in place is a fixed dollar amount

1575
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:17,119
annually. And so as property values go
up, the the effective rate of that

1576
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:21,440
millillage goes down and won't be won't
we be voting in 2027

1577
02:13:19,679 --> 02:13:26,719
essentially for the new millillage in
effect. So yes, so the first year so the

1578
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:30,800
first year that that levy is in effect
it's voted millage and effective millage

1579
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:37,199
will be the same.
>> Yeah. But as the county auditor's office

1580
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:41,679
does trienal updates the values or
there's new construction or you know a

1581
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:45,760
property sold and out get now they kind
of look at the valuation they're going

1582
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:51,520
to make annual adjustments and by and
large with the exception of the great

1583
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:57,440
recession you know almost 20 years ago
um properties have appreciated over time

1584
02:13:54,960 --> 02:14:01,280
you know every 3 to six years there
hasn't been you know a decrease in you

1585
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:05,199
know raise value anywhere that would
actually change the reduction factor in

1586
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:11,520
the other direction. Um [clears throat]
but yeah, I mean that's the thing. The

1587
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:16,079
only part of your tax bill is that does
rise with we'll call it inflation. It

1588
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:20,960
rises with the increase in property
values in the community is what is

1589
02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:26,079
called the inside millillage. So state
law says that all the taxing all the

1590
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:31,119
property all the taxing jurisdictions
that can impose an income tax

1591
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:35,280
in combination. So that could be your
school district, a township, a village,

1592
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:40,880
you know, everybody, you know, come
together, the overlapping jurisdictions.

1593
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:47,119
You can impose up to 10 mills of
property tax amongst all of you without

1594
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:52,320
a vote of the electorate.
So it's very common, you know, where

1595
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:57,199
you'll have a community like ours or
another municipality that may it may

1596
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:59,520
have a couple mills of inside millage. A
township might have a little bit of

1597
02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:03,199
inside knowledge for general fund
purposes and road and bridge fund. The

1598
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:08,320
schools might have a little bit of
millage altogether that can be up to 10

1599
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:13,599
10 mill and it's historically how it's
been divided up dates back to you gee

1600
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:18,000
the 40s and 50s that rises but
everything else is just a fixed dollar

1601
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:20,880
now. So
at the beginning of the year

1602
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:24,320
» pardon isn't that voted on at the
beginning when is that set

1603
02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:28,960
» and when it goes on?
>> Yep. So now if we're going to make it

1604
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:33,520
now, for example, we're having a
renewal, that renewal is based on the

1605
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:37,840
old mill.
>> Yeah. How often is this millage voted

1606
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:41,440
on? It depends on the on on the levy
because this is [clears throat] Ohio. So

1607
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:45,674
you got to love it. There are permanent
levies or continuous levies that once

1608
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:48,719
they're voted, they're in place forever
[clears throat]

1609
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:55,119
unless they're legislatively removed by
the legislative authority. So, like for

1610
02:15:50,960 --> 02:16:00,560
instance, our our general fund levy
that's on the ballot that brings in like

1611
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:03,599
$70,000 a year. It's what it was passed
in.

1612
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:07,280
I don't even know.
>> Yeah. But I I've been I've been in

1613
02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:12,239
communities where there might been a
continuous levy for all say fire

1614
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:16,880
protection that was passed in 1985 and
it's still bringing in $185.

1615
02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:21,520
» What I'm saying is specifically property
tax. I mean like if there's an appraisal

1616
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:26,000
done generally one to three years on a
property and then the property tax will

1617
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:31,440
increase based on the new the new amount
if you made an additional

1618
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:36,880
» where does that money go to then%
goes to Cincinnati public schools

1619
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:41,040
» only on that 10 internal
>> that's being that's you're referring to

1620
02:16:38,880 --> 02:16:44,639
what David's referring to is the your
portion which goes to the village which

1621
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:52,080
is I believe for golf man about 22 and a
half% so of that 22 and a2% %. So we

1622
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:57,519
said the effective millage is around 25.
So 10 of those 25 is inside millillage

1623
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:59,760
which can increase slightly but the
village doesn't have all those 10.

1624
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,760
» We don't get
>> right. We don't get all that's right.

1625
02:17:01,679 --> 02:17:09,359
And then outside of that there's 18% of
that goes to the county and about 55%

1626
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:14,160
goes to synthetic public schools which
is

1627
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:18,160
yeah we're only receiving less than a
quarter of

1628
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:24,880
» most of the state the local school
district is anywhere from 60 to 75%

1629
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:32,439
which is what tax
and then the rest is residual between

1630
02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:32,439
you know a county that may have a leies

1631
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:36,920
by the JS

1632
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:48,160
and if we do if we do this on the income
tax then that will go up literally where

1633
02:17:45,519 --> 02:17:54,479
my head was at
the I

1634
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:59,920
» well but again this the bigger picture
that when I looked at this was maybe it

1635
02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:05,200
makes sense to do kind of a hybrid of
the two is that it's a it's it's a

1636
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:09,760
bigger impact for fewer people if it's
an income tax because it's only people

1637
02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:12,559
who are working outside of the village
who are right I mean it's there's

1638
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:15,599
there's definitely people who are
working within the village and people

1639
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:20,639
are working from home they're going to
be paying village taxes so that's one

1640
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:25,120
it's it's a lot more money I mean if
we're talking about the $80,000 salary

1641
02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:29,840
it's $800 if it's a $40,000 salary it's
$40,000 that's significantly more for

1642
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:36,000
one individual idual then on one
household is $226 that also spreads

1643
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:39,920
amongst the businesses. So that that
kind of [clears throat] I think as as we

1644
02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:45,760
had discussed it that makes it a little
bit more of a universal uh tax if it's

1645
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:49,920
on on but of course the limitation is
that it doesn't grow whereas if it's a

1646
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:55,359
combination of the two it's a little bit
easier for to see how that would grow

1647
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,240
over time slightly and affect fewer
people in a in a severe

1648
02:18:56,960 --> 02:19:02,000
» on the flip side you're also going to be
affecting people that specifically

1649
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:07,920
seniors that are young in their homes
and they are living

1650
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:13,559
» yes I That's actually a big
>> that'sing why there's certain solutions

1651
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:13,559
out there that actually

1652
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:21,719
» I mean but I hear definitely
according to the numbers you're

1653
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:21,719
presenting

1654
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:30,800
» 622
>> I don't know if that we have to we have

1655
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:36,479
I was never able to confirm that number
that comes out to be that every person

1656
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:40,559
yearly would pay $350.
That's it.

1657
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:42,319
» Be significantly less than making every
single

1658
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:47,359
» It would be less than making every
person payundred

1659
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:52,560
over 110 $120.
But again, this is based on something

1660
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:57,359
that if inflation grows, it grows. And
>> so the the just to give you I think this

1661
02:19:54,960 --> 02:20:02,960
is actually maybe a more accurate range.
So it's $225,000.

1662
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:05,680
It's approximately right at 1% if we if
we would say that. So the average

1663
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:12,160
salaries I think in golf banners are
around $45,000 a year. So if you're that

1664
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:19,280
that means it's $450. So you're talking
about 225 divided by 450. You're talking

1665
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:25,680
about 500 people that this would this
would be affecting 500 individuals.

1666
02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:30,160
» That's less than
that. Correct. That's I I'm not I'm not

1667
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:34,640
100% confident in that number. This is I
just came up with this thought right

1668
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:38,160
now. If it's $225,000 is the projection
and the average salary in Gulf Manor,

1669
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:43,280
but that doesn't include how many people
are being maybe the average salary man

1670
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:48,240
is lower than the people who are working
outside of those. It's it's it's inevit

1671
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:52,960
that that actually would be a good
causation. Generally higher salaries are

1672
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:55,840
maintenance will create more travel
time. People will travel

1673
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:59,600
» be outside the village.
>> That's what I'm saying. It may be

1674
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:03,120
actually fewer people
>> because they have higher salaries in

1675
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:06,800
which case it might only be 250 people
>> and honestly it's going to ruffle less

1676
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:11,359
feathers here because they can they can
more afford as big drop in terms of this

1677
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:14,640
is exactly what my point is in terms of
like a senior who's 30 feet off their

1678
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:18,240
house and they're on a set budget and
they just knock off $200. that's going

1679
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:21,920
to be a big deal to a lot more people
than if you take the higher income

1680
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:25,600
people and you're charging $300. It's
just not it's just less impactful on the

1681
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:33,479
community as a whole.
>> I was inclined to say take that um just

1682
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,479
eliminate tax

1683
02:21:34,960 --> 02:21:41,840
reciprocity
just they got to pay us

1684
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:46,359
and it's affecting less people. It's
more stable over time.

1685
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:52,479
makes money,
>> right? Well, that's, you know, we're

1686
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:59,720
rolling the dice with how many people
that is

1687
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:59,720
» 100% is not like

1688
02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:06,520
I know that pays tax.

1689
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:14,640
That's why I think that's the best
person to do right now. So, I would put

1690
02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:21,720
forth the
administrator to work on a 58% resp

1691
02:22:30,479 --> 02:22:41,120
to pen a legislation for us to pass that
done and I would table the

1692
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:46,720
public safety levy for a little bit to
give us time to start working on other

1693
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:50,000
ways to get our contract or see if we
have any other bridges we can build and

1694
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:52,560
if we can't and we have to go back then
we can

1695
02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:57,040
» also potentially if we are going to the
via public safety thing um if we are

1696
02:22:55,439 --> 02:23:00,080
making a really nice change we got a
really creative way to do something else

1697
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:03,600
to the fire and that's a really good
explanation to the people of golf manner

1698
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:06,160
of why we're putting on this le we're
going to make some really big

1699
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:10,800
improvement whatever it is but all of a
sudden even if that is not necessarily

1700
02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:16,000
exactly what we're charging maybe that
more than what that contract necessitate

1701
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:21,680
But that will overall come across much
easier to the voters than like oh hey

1702
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:25,200
you know we ran out of money. So you
know that that feeling of just like

1703
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:28,640
getting taxed all the time if you
actually tie that into something

1704
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:31,280
meaningful. So I don't know what that
would mean because I haven't seen any of

1705
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:34,319
what that could be but I was saying
potentially that would make

1706
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:38,399
» or we tell people that we try every
angle couldn't find any it's the

1707
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:42,319
cheapest contract we have we can't
afford it. That's also something for

1708
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:46,399
right now where we're standing right now
that we haven't worked on trying to

1709
02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:50,560
figure out if there's another approach
to go. I think that we should public

1710
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:53,960
safety.
>> No, I agree.

1711
02:23:54,640 --> 02:24:03,520
Is there a second you said
>> 50% means that it would be an effective

1712
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:07,920
1%.
>> Minimum

1713
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:12,560
» minimum tax would be 1. Say we pay 1.7
if you want

1714
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:19,600
» 50 or 58 I just you're
>> say 58 is not shown there 58 is just the

1715
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:25,600
um well actually
1% minimum

1716
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:29,600
» we will write it as 1%
>> so increasing it to 2%

1717
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:34,160
» no
zero we want to make it 1%

1718
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:36,720
» no increasing income taxre
>> local local people will not be paying

1719
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:40,000
anymore.
>> If you work in the village and you live

1720
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:44,319
in the village, you're not paying. If
you work out of the village, this that

1721
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:47,120
you got your discount till now, that's
what we're taking away. We're not taking

1722
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:51,160
it fully away. We're going to make you
pay 1% instead of 1.7,

1723
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:08,080
» right? We need to have the numbers on
how much is bringing in and maybe it'd

1724
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:11,601
be helpful to show what different
percentages we bring in.

1725
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:14,080
» What's the question you're asking?
[snorts]

1726
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:16,560
» No problem.
>> No problem.

1727
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:24,040
We'll get you something

1728
02:25:27,976 --> 02:25:29,995
[clears throat]

1729
02:25:34,525 --> 02:25:36,545
[clears throat]

1730
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:42,439
reciprocity. How much is coming versus

1731
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:50,160
hybrid.
>> I'm doing the total.

1732
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:55,120
» No, because I'm trying. Well, my hybrid
is a long-term

1733
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:58,640
» right now. Let's pass over,000
to start.

1734
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:02,960
» I mean, to me, that's kind of what like
what your point was. There's one part of

1735
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:05,520
like the fire is costing us more. So,
how do we look at lowering that? There's

1736
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:09,840
a separate problem with salaries are
going up and how do we alleviate that?

1737
02:26:07,439 --> 02:26:13,040
So, we can just isolate those problems.
One, we're going to table and try to

1738
02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:17,439
look at the expenses. one way to offset
by potentially sort of reciprocity

1739
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:24,080
aspect
>> kind of yeah I want to eat up a little

1740
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:28,920
of that next year we need to a little
bit to pay up our

1741
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:28,920
» our current

1742
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:37,520
I didn't hear you
>> no that's fine just

1743
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:42,000
the numbers we're talking about are not
accurate because

1744
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:46,560
» also did this budget reflect
I'm pretty sure last council meeting

1745
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:49,760
this year voted that all the council
members should get $100,000 a year or

1746
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:53,800
something like that.
>> I don't remember the exact number

1747
02:26:54,160 --> 02:27:04,600
» as a mayor. I think also same percentage
based

1748
02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:04,600
» everyone say I

1749
02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:15,200
» So there's still a motion by Mr. Fiser
requesting the administrator to pursue a

1750
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:18,200
% model for legislation
available.

1751
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:26,319
So the easy
motion

1752
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:30,640
» second
all those in favor

1753
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:35,280
just want to double check with
administration is that a fair um ground

1754
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:40,479
to stop
>> yeah I would say that you know it's it's

1755
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:43,600
it's
stopping

1756
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:48,800
temporary you're putting a tourniquet on
on on the edge you're going to make it

1757
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:51,760
to the ER you're going to be fine but
there's other work to do.

1758
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:56,160
» Correct.
>> It doesn't mean that we're not going to

1759
02:27:52,800 --> 02:28:01,399
pass or have to just means right now.
Let's see all the options on the table,

1760
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:01,399
but let's do that.

1761
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:20,560
» Yeah, let's drill down. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1762
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:26,200
Is that census data or is that something
else?

1763
02:28:20,960 --> 02:28:26,200
» It's going to be a talk with Rita. Um,

1764
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,720
because

1765
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:37,359
we know individual filers are pretty
straightforward

1766
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:42,720
about corporate profit filers. It's
going to be the W2 withholders.

1767
02:28:41,439 --> 02:28:49,120
They're gonna have we're gonna have to
ask them to do a search to geocode the

1768
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:52,840
W3 address.
Yes, we will drill

1769
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:58,040
the W2 W3.

1770
02:28:58,232 --> 02:29:08,960
[snorts] The final thing I had was
not even close. We're at the halfway

1771
02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:14,000
point on my re. Um, I I actually like
the idea of putting the $5 addition on

1772
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:19,760
the the license plate, but only if we
tie it into a specific aspect of things.

1773
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:22,880
So, if we just put in another $18,000 a
year, that's just going to get lost and

1774
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:27,280
nothing really impactful happen. I don't
think really $5 is is going to really

1775
02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:31,200
care when they have to renew their
license by $5, but if we can tie it to

1776
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:34,319
something specific, for instance, like
these type of bus stop type of ideas,

1777
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:36,960
things that really can make a real
improvement. And even if that's every

1778
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:41,200
five years, you know, wait for the
$8,000 $100,000 budget, whatever it is,

1779
02:29:39,359 --> 02:29:45,680
and make something impactful. If we can
tie that bill into something specific, I

1780
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:49,920
think that would be something worthwhile
that I would pass.

1781
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:53,439
Yeah, I think that's uh from what I
understand that's a very popular way of

1782
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:58,840
doing things because people can see
where the money's going, how much the

1783
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,840
money is, and where specifically

1784
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:12,240
» just here. The idea I think is we could
prepare legislation for consideration

1785
02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:19,520
that would direct the Department of
Public Safety BP division to add this

1786
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:25,040
extra $5. And then in that or in that
resolution ordinance whatever it has to

1787
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:29,520
be there would be a kind of a section of
talk about

1788
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:35,040
council council policy for the use of
these funds is that they are to be you

1789
02:30:32,960 --> 02:30:40,800
know
stockpiled or the like you're

1790
02:30:39,359 --> 02:30:46,160
for [clears throat] you know on an
annual basis reviewed by council to be

1791
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:49,760
you know released or authorized for
whatever you know whatever is Is it

1792
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:55,520
limited to things that are connected to
the road? Can we say improve parks?

1793
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:56,240
» No, we have to runway or in the right
way.

1794
02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:01,520
» Yeah.
>> Um but yeah, so yeah, there's we can we

1795
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:04,520
can endeavor to do something. We have
something

1796
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:17,680
at the crosswalks. There should be a
button for every kid to play with

1797
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:23,319
sparkly lights around, right? [laughter]
It's doing say it's doing something.

1798
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:23,319
Press again.

1799
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:31,200
» I think there's a statistic statistic I
for I think it was 75% they found a

1800
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:35,359
crosswalks and elevators the closed door
button and crosswalk and was literally

1801
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:38,319
not hooked up to anything. It was just
something for their patients. People

1802
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:42,039
feel better when they're pressing a
button. So [clears throat]

1803
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:50,600
» one push button that I did another time
was in a different country. I was

1804
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:50,600
already impressed. Pressed,

1805
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:59,240
» right? Anyone else?

1806
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:05,920
» Yeah, for the time. Gez, one, two,
almost three hours.

1807
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:08,720
» Oh, no. We're good. I had another
possible meeting at 9:30, which I said

1808
02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:13,479
if we go over time, I won't be able to
make. We just just barely

1809
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:23,280
» I've got an announcement.
I have to make it over that. I've got an

1810
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:29,439
announcement relatively new um new event
that just got scheduled. So um we

1811
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:34,319
partnered with the county to host a uh
an event that they've done before. It's

1812
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:38,800
called uh toteen.
It's kind of like a resource event where

1813
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:44,880
they highlight um all the different
services that are available that um

1814
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:49,840
increase outcomes. Increase isn't the
the best word for that. Better the

1815
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:55,280
outcomes that we have for things like uh
infant vitality um and vitality of

1816
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:59,280
individuals from time of infancy all the
way through teens. That's all services

1817
02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:06,160
that have to do with supporting
families, supporting kids um that

1818
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:12,376
that have rough stuff going on. And uh
so September 19th, which is a Saturday,

1819
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:16,240
uh here at the park, I believe it's
[clears throat] from 11 to 2:00 p.m. Uh

1820
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:20,080
we've got both the chiefs, the police
chief and the fire chief already

1821
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:26,960
notified of this and and working on it.
Again, lots of different um service

1822
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:32,640
providers will be present there. Um,
I'm told uh to prepare for between three

1823
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:38,399
and 400 kids because it's uh
specifically focused to be a family uh

1824
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:42,479
centered event. And so I talked to
Cincinnati Circus about that. They

1825
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:48,080
agreed to get some playable stuff out
for kids for that. I've talked to Kona

1826
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:52,640
ice. They'll be there as well. and I'm
working on getting donations so that uh

1827
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:56,760
we can give away at least like between
300 and 400 free.

1828
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:06,319
So that's uh is that two Saturdays from
now is is when that will be and I'm

1829
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:11,120
working with uh members of the community
engagement uh to help get the word out

1830
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:17,040
about that. I'll be putting something on
the website and then they'll push it out

1831
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:22,800
on social media. Um, so it's being being
advertised, you know, a county event,

1832
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:26,160
right? Um, so they're doing their stuff
to like the whole county, but I'm

1833
02:34:24,319 --> 02:34:29,840
wanting to try to make sure that our
local people know about it as well. So

1834
02:34:28,160 --> 02:34:33,840
if you have any ideas on how to help us
with that, certainly let me know. Um,

1835
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:38,880
what I know to do is put it on the
website. Um, you know, short of going

1836
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:43,920
door todoor. Um, put it out on the
website and then push that out to social

1837
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:50,640
media. So that's one. Um, we've already
addressed uh what

1838
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:56,160
our registered speaker um
brought up. I would say, and I think

1839
02:34:52,960 --> 02:35:00,640
it's it's true of any of us, if um you
know, if certain individuals would

1840
02:34:58,960 --> 02:35:05,680
talked to the mayor as much as they talk
about the mayor, um we would have all

1841
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:10,560
kinds of great things going on in this
community. We can get past a lot of the

1842
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:14,160
gotcha kind of politics stuff and get to
get to some real solutions. I think the

1843
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:19,760
uh [clears throat] the bus project that
she was talking about, yeah, it's a

1844
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:25,439
fantastic project. I'm wholly 100% been
want to have that for a number of years.

1845
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:31,359
Do I have any power over the purse? I
don't. That's totally a council thing.

1846
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:35,200
Um, and uh, you know, we when we're
looking at these things, you do need to

1847
02:35:32,880 --> 02:35:39,040
get a price of how much something in
total costs, but that's not anything

1848
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:45,040
that I would ever even if I had the
power to endorse what was it, it

1849
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:47,680
$600,000 or whatever it is. Like, no, I
would be trying to get the money from

1850
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:50,880
other places, but I need to know how
much it's going to cost. And no, I

1851
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:54,960
didn't know how much it was going to
cost. It was I this is the first time I

1852
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:58,960
know it was sent out to us or whatever.
This is the first time I was actually

1853
02:35:56,399 --> 02:36:03,040
looking at it. other than like executive
kind of summaries I've received from

1854
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:08,080
administration on things. But that
number was something new to me. As far

1855
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:13,040
as the admin update, I just refer
everyone to look at my

1856
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:17,680
mayor's reports the past few months.
that addressing that and uh they want to

1857
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:24,000
rewind the tape the conversation that
David and I had at our previous previous

1858
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:27,840
meeting about um our guest speaker that
will be coming in at the next meeting to

1859
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:30,560
address what that process looks like and
answering questions.

1860
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:34,240
» Right.
>> Next meeting things change because this

1861
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:38,319
» September 15th.
>> Yeah.

1862
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:41,760
» Are there any other announcements? That
would actually be the next two

1863
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:46,000
announcements. The executive is on so
two meetings. September 15th, executive

1864
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:50,040
committee is at 6 p.m. and full
council's at 7 p.m.

1865
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:04,240
» All right. If there are no other
announcements, I would ask if there's a

1866
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:07,120
motion to adjourn.
>> Second. [clears throat]

1867
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:12,163
» All in favor?
Thank you for your service everyone.

1868
02:37:10,144 --> 02:37:12,163
[clears throat]

1869
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:20,800
» Your pen fell over here.
>> He wishes he could pick it up.

1870
02:37:19,969 --> 02:37:24,200
[clears throat]
Bending down.

1871
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:27,200
Hacker blue.