1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,040 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,680 United States of America and to the 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,800 republic for which it stands, one nation 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,840 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:19,269 justice for all. 6 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:24,470 » Are there any disclosures of interest? 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,119 » Hearing none, is there uh a motion to 8 00:00:27,119 --> 00:00:30,000 approve the previous board minutes? So 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,599 moved Anderson. 10 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:32,399 >> There a second. 11 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:33,040 >> Second. 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,880 >> Okay. There's a motion and a second. All 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,480 those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion 14 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:43,360 carries. Next is review the agenda. 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,879 >> There are no changes. Chair. 16 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:45,520 >> Thank you. 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,399 >> Approval as presented. Anderson. Second. 18 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,160 >> There's a motion and a second. All those 19 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,520 in favor say I. 20 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,160 >> I. 21 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:56,160 Opposed. Motion carries. Um, next is 22 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,960 the consent agenda and there's uh seven 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,039 items on the consent agenda. 24 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:04,960 >> Move approval of the consent agenda. 25 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:06,960 Anderson 26 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,240 >> second. 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,080 >> There's a motion and a second. All those 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,360 in favor say I. 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:11,840 >> I. 30 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,280 Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, next um 31 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:34,710 public works 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Good morning board. Uh today's item uh 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,799 is a quick discussion about a bid 34 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:43,759 opening we had for a low slump overlay 35 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:47,759 contract for a bridge on County Road 5 36 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:52,560 uh just uh west of Lake City. On March 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,240 26, 2026, uh, for a little background, 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,320 we entered into an agreement with 39 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,159 Stonebrook Engineering to analyze 40 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,880 several concrete bridges in Goodu 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,360 County, uh, mainly to look at 42 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,280 maintenance needs that we could address 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,160 through, uh, some maintenance dollars 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,760 that we budget annually. 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Um during the analysis, a low slump 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,080 overlay was identified for the bridge in 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,560 question, 25513 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,599 in Lake City, uh which we are hoping to 49 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:29,360 extend the life of the bridge. Um low 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,840 slump overlays consist of removing the 51 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,840 top 1 to 2 in of uh deck concrete 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,680 wearing surface and replace it with 2 to 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,599 3 in of new low slump concrete. Uh the 54 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,440 projects improve the driving surface of 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,720 the bridge by removing potholes and the 56 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,640 and improve the per or reduce the 57 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,239 permeability of the bridge deck by 58 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:51,519 reducing the amount of moisture and 59 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:53,200 chlorides that can penetrate and degrade 60 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,400 it over time. We opened bids on August 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,840 4th. Uh we only received one bid and it 62 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,519 was significantly more than our 63 00:03:01,519 --> 00:03:04,800 engineers estimate. So, because of that, 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,280 today, uh, we're requesting that the 65 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,640 board reject the bid and we'll rebid it 66 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,480 next year, hopefully with some 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,360 additional work, um, and then be able to 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,040 provide the contractors with more time 69 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,720 to be able to accomplish the work that 70 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,800 they need to. Um, the high bids were 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,200 partly a result of the time of year. Uh, 72 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,920 the lack of number of bids kind of 73 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,560 reflects that as well. um they're kind 74 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,879 of pushed up against the the clock, so 75 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:36,799 to speak. So, today we're making that 76 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:39,280 recommendation to reject the bid and 77 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,840 rebid at a future date. So, if there's 78 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,920 any questions, I'd be more than glad to 79 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,599 take them. 80 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:46,480 >> Go ahead. 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Don. 82 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,200 >> Oh, just uh the engineering we don't 83 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,280 have to re-engineer next year. I mean, 84 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,159 no. Okay. 85 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,799 And I guess my question is, is there 86 00:03:56,799 --> 00:03:59,360 some repair that we can do temporarily 87 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,920 to prevent um overwinter chloride and 88 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,640 salt and stuff getting in or is it not 89 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,480 that bad that a repair job would just 90 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,760 pop right back out? 91 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,159 >> We've we've previously repaired this 92 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,440 bridge. Um the the issue right now is 93 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,639 potholes and those have been filled in. 94 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,160 Um 95 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,600 >> the the problem is that the the full 96 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,479 deck is experiencing damination and that 97 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:31,360 top wearing surface needs to be removed. 98 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,600 >> So they grind off an inch and a half and 99 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,160 then replace it back with more than the 100 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,120 inch and a half. 101 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,639 >> Yep. And so we have to be cognizant that 102 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:42,320 additional weight on a bridge because 103 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,320 there would be more concrete there than 104 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,080 what we'd be removing when we replace 105 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,120 it. Um, we're trying to be cognizant 106 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,320 that that adds dead load to the bridge, 107 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,280 which could have an impact on needing to 108 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:56,960 load post the bridge. We're trying to 109 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,639 avoid that where we can. 110 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:00,240 >> Okay. 111 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,479 I would move approval that we reject the 112 00:05:02,479 --> 00:05:03,199 bids. 113 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,080 >> Second. There's a motion and a second. 114 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,639 Any other discussion? 115 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,600 >> Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 116 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,800 >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. 117 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,710 >> Thank you. 118 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:30,230 Next is land use management. 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,039 » Good morning. The um agenda item before 120 00:05:33,039 --> 00:05:35,680 you is to consider a application for a 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,720 conservation subdivision in section 11 122 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,199 of Bell Creek Township. Uh the board 123 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:43,680 will hold a public hearing on this and 124 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,880 consider a request to reszone 40 acres 125 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,919 of a 70 acre tract of unplatted land um 126 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:57,029 located on parcel 25.011.0400 127 00:05:57,039 --> 00:05:59,680 to be reszoned from A1 which is the 128 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,600 agricultural protection district to 129 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,319 conservation subdivision. Um along with 130 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:07,199 a conservation subdivision, the county 131 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:09,600 ordinance does require that the land be 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,720 platted. So in the application is a copy 133 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,880 of the application for a preliminary 134 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,919 plat and a final plat. Um this is a one 135 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:20,400 lot subdivision. So there's one lot 136 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,840 being platted that would be the home 137 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,400 site. Um there's some roadway dedication 138 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,000 and then the remainder of the land will 139 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,360 be put in a conservation easement. Um 140 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,440 included with the um agenda item is a 141 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,280 copy of the applications that have been 142 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:38,000 submitted um some staff prepared maps of 143 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,720 the area um and the copy of the meeting 144 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,240 minutes from the July planning 145 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,600 commission meeting. The applicants are 146 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,280 the buyers of the land um Michaela and 147 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,280 Scott Peterson who are purchasing the 148 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,520 land from family. Um they currently 149 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,919 reside in Redwing. The property owners 150 00:06:55,919 --> 00:06:59,199 are Scott and Kelly Peterson. um address 151 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,880 in Redwing. As I mentioned, the um the 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,120 proposed subdivision is for a 40 acre 153 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,919 split of the original um larger track of 154 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:12,479 land. Uh this is in Bel Creek Township 155 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:15,360 and in as I had early me mentioned 156 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,960 earlier um section 11, the planning 157 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,800 commission, I'll give a little bit of 158 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,160 history on what happened at the planning 159 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,319 commission. The first request that were 160 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,160 that was submitted by the applicants was 161 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,319 actually to reszone the entire section. 162 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:32,400 Um all of section 11 taking it from A1 163 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,039 to A2. Uh the reason for that is that um 164 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:40,960 the sections surrounding 165 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,160 this section are already zoned A2. Um 166 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,199 and the applicants had hoped that there 167 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:51,039 would be um some uh political I would 168 00:07:51,039 --> 00:07:54,560 say um will to reszone the section. 169 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,240 There was quite a bit of neighborhood 170 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,479 opposition to that resoning. Um the 171 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,319 planning commission recommended denial 172 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,280 of the resoning of the entire section 173 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,599 and asked that the applicants work with 174 00:08:05,599 --> 00:08:08,560 staff on a conservation subdivision. Um 175 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,800 so that is what is proposed before you 176 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,560 today which is again um a highle 177 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,560 overview of the conservation subdivision 178 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,440 process is it essentially allows for a 179 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,720 reszoning of a up to 40 anything 40 180 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,080 acres or larger um for the creation of 181 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,639 wellthoughtout well planned residential 182 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:31,440 housing in areas that normally wouldn't 183 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,360 um be allowed to have residential 184 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,880 housing. 185 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,519 Um, in this case, the Petersons are 186 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,000 choosing to put the home site in an area 187 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,279 on the property that um maximizes 188 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:45,680 conservation of the land, is putting the 189 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:48,160 house in an area where it's outside any 190 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,440 bluff, floodplane, shoreland areas, um, 191 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,839 and are choosing to essentially keep 192 00:08:53,839 --> 00:08:55,279 some of the tillable land in 193 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:57,680 conservation. 194 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:02,320 Um, let's see. Some key points here is 195 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,720 that there are two township roads that 196 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,760 adjoin the property. Uh, 350th Street 197 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,760 and 165th Street. As common with 198 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,080 platting property, the property owner is 199 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,240 required to dedicate public rightway to 200 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,320 the center line of that road that is 201 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,120 shown on the plat. Um, those are 202 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,240 township roads. 203 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,279 Um there are no um or there are feed 204 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:29,519 lots directly east and west of this 205 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:34,480 property. Um but there are no um 206 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,160 uh there's no flood plane on the 207 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,000 property. There is some shoreland on the 208 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,399 property. 209 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:42,720 Let's see. 210 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Um I think the only other thing I want 211 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,399 to just be clear is that there are uh 212 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,640 two conditions that are being 213 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,160 recommended. The first is that um prior 214 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,880 to construction of a home on lot one of 215 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,279 the proposed Ryan edition, the applicant 216 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,600 shall submit to the county a copy of the 217 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,839 recorded conservation 218 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:07,120 um subdivision for the 20 acres shown on 219 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,040 outlot 220 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,560 uh a um the word conservation 221 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,079 subdivision is used, but it's actually 222 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:16,399 like a conservation easement. Um the 223 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,079 ordinance calls it a subdivision, but we 224 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:20,079 want to see a copy of the easement which 225 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:23,360 details what is allowed to be what is 226 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,120 allowed to happen on that site and what 227 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,279 is not allowed. The big thing that we 228 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,200 want is we want restrictions on 229 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,480 development and building [clears throat] 230 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,760 on that outlot. Um and then the second 231 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,600 condition is that a final plat must be 232 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,800 recorded within 180 days of the approval 233 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,640 by the county board unless an extension 234 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,240 is requested in accordance with 235 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,760 ordinance. Um, so with that, um, I guess 236 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,200 I'll turn it over to the board. The 237 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,680 notice was published, uh, in the Kenyan 238 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,880 leader for a public hearing. Um, and 239 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,040 like I said, included is a copy of the 240 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,959 40 acres that are proposed to be split 241 00:10:56,959 --> 00:11:00,959 and then the proposed plat. 242 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:02,560 >> Do you want to take any questions the 243 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,240 board has before opening the public 244 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,120 hearing or or not? 245 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,279 >> Up to you. Whatever. 246 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,000 >> Just just for paperwork clarification. 247 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,240 19 through 23. What we have is a 248 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,959 different that's the bowling property, 249 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:18,710 correct? 250 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,640 » Just that that's another issue that 251 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,360 we're working on. 252 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,519 >> Oh, yeah. There's different pages from 253 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:24,800 different meetings in there. 254 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,519 >> Y 255 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:27,200 >> Oh, there's different attachments. 256 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:27,760 >> Yep. 257 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,480 >> Okay. 258 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,230 >> So, 259 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,920 » I'm sorry about that. Um, 260 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,720 >> problem. 261 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,880 >> My question is more of a curiosity 262 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,279 question. when they tried to do the 263 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,040 entire uh parcel and the neighbors were 264 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,120 uh objecting what were their concerns? 265 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,399 Uh the primary difference between an A1 266 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:53,279 section is it allows four houses per 267 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:56,480 section versus an A2 district which 268 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,920 allows up to 12 houses and no more than 269 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,959 one home per 40 acres or quarter quarter 270 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:05,920 section. Um right now there are four 271 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,000 homes in this section and the neighbors 272 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,200 were concerned that the jump from four 273 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,320 houses up to 12 um was too much 274 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,480 development to allow in this area that 275 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,279 is primarily agricultural land. Um, so 276 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,440 in synopsis, and I I don't know if the 277 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,040 meeting minutes necessarily reflect 278 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,200 this, but the 279 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,040 township and the neighbors were okay 280 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,880 with the Ryans building a house, but 281 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,440 they did not want five or six additional 282 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,120 houses in this section. 283 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,110 >> Thank you. 284 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,720 » Go ahead. 285 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,600 >> So, in a conservation subdivision, they 286 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,760 could come back and add five more houses 287 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,120 in there. 288 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,399 >> Yep. 289 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,959 Uh the county allows up to six in a 290 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:53,040 conservation subdivision. However, the 291 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,600 catch is [clears throat] every new lot 292 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,399 has to be platted, which does require a 293 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:00,480 public hearing and requires that that go 294 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,920 through the planning commission and the 295 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,440 county board. So, it cannot be done 296 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,279 administratively. 297 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,519 Um but technically additional density 298 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:10,480 can be added. 299 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,920 >> Yes, it would have to have a public 300 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,120 hearing, but what could we use to deny 301 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,959 it? 302 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:20,079 public public not liking it isn't a 303 00:13:20,079 --> 00:13:22,160 reason to deny it. 304 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,000 >> So we would have to have a different 305 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,519 reason to deny it. So in essence, this 306 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:31,680 allows them to have six lots, 307 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,639 six building lots. 308 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:36,560 >> So with the conservation easement, 309 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,720 what's the uh size of the lot, the 310 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,639 minimum requirement 311 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,920 for for one home? So, right now the lot 312 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,320 that is shown is proposed at right 313 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,079 around 20 acres, right? Um the county 314 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,399 ordinance does not have a minimum lot 315 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,880 size for conservation subdivision. 316 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 However, I'd say the big thing that is 317 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,320 in the ordinance is that it encourages 318 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,720 sharing of a well and a septic. 319 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 >> Um and so density I think would be 320 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,600 determined based on how much capacity, 321 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,040 how much well capacity and how much 322 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,639 septic capacity there is. Um, 323 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,279 >> so this could lead to a more dense area 324 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:18,079 in a smaller section of housing. Is that 325 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:20,240 >> cor? Correct. And the whole reason the 326 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,000 whole reason we did a conservation 327 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,240 subdivision was 328 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,480 that was the goal 329 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,760 >> was to consolidate. 330 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,480 They didn't like the majority of people 331 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,639 didn't like switching 332 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:36,880 sections to A2 333 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,199 >> and then they didn't like planned unit 334 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:40,880 development. 335 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,800 And then we went to conservation 336 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,399 subdivision and we came out with this 337 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:48,560 where you're trying to put six houses 338 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,959 close together so they share septics 339 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,959 share well. 340 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,800 It reduces the number of wells. It 341 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,680 reduces the number of septics. So I mean 342 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,839 that was the ultimate goal. Um it has 343 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:05,600 not worked at all and I I'll say that it 344 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,160 just hasn't worked at all. we get one, 345 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,079 we get maybe two at the max. Um, they're 346 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,800 cumbersome. They're hard to work through 347 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,279 um for a lot of different reasons, but 348 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:20,320 >> I think we also gave the townships the 349 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,560 yay or nay on that, too. Townships can 350 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,160 have to accept it. 351 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,480 >> Townships with zoning could say, "Yes, 352 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,800 we're going to adopt conservation 353 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,880 subdivisions or no, we're not going to 354 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,040 put it in our ordinance." But they had 355 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,399 to have an ordinance to put it in or or 356 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:43,360 exclude it. And I don't think Bel has a 357 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,160 zoning ordinance. 358 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,519 >> We do not. 359 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,110 >> No. 360 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,680 » Any other questions? 361 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,000 >> Move to open public hearing. 362 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,199 >> There a second. 363 00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:56,160 >> Second. 364 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,000 >> All those in favor say I. 365 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,399 >> I. 366 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:01,440 A public hearing is open. Is there 367 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,600 anyone who would like to speak to this 368 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,949 matter? 369 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:10,880 Second time. Is there anyone who would 370 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,600 like to speak to the uh conservation 371 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,829 easement? 372 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:19,519 Third and final time. Is there anyone 373 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:22,399 who'd like to speak to this? 374 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:23,600 >> Okay. 375 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,120 >> I'm close the public hearing. 376 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:25,759 >> Second. 377 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:27,519 >> Uh there's a motion and a second. All 378 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,040 those in favor say I. 379 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,360 >> I. 380 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Public hearing is closed. 381 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,240 Okay. 382 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,160 >> Move to approve the conservation 383 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,920 subdivision as presented and with the 384 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,360 finding of fact that we have 385 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,240 >> second. 386 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,990 >> Any further discussion? 387 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,480 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 388 00:16:52,480 --> 00:17:00,069 >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. 389 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:03,360 No, Nick. 390 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,039 >> Yeah, Nick will take the lead on all 391 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:06,720 three of these items. And then on all 392 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,919 three of them, there's numerous 393 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:09,520 individuals here that have been involved 394 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,390 in the process. 395 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,919 » Good morning, commissioners. 396 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:17,039 >> Morning. 397 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:22,000 >> The first item I have for you is uh 398 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,400 resolution. Um you see it summarized 399 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,839 there at the top effectively 400 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:52,070 accept 401 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,160 authorized 402 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,710 staff to 403 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,480 » in 2021. The board authorized staff to 404 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,160 apply to the grant uh and with our 405 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,799 partner New Vera Communications. 406 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,080 Um the project itself is a $4 million 407 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,919 project. Um the 25% match is uh provided 408 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:20,880 by New Vera. It's to about $945,000. 409 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,520 the $3.21 million dollars will be 410 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,320 provided by um the federal government 411 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,600 for the project. Um some of the history, 412 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,760 I think a significant piece of the 413 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,200 history was in um 2024 the board 414 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,679 authorized a rescope of the project due 415 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:42,160 to rising cause uh costs. So um that 416 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,960 happened and was approved. Um, this 417 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,120 project as it stands today will uh 418 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:50,640 provide broadband service to 195 new 419 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,039 customers in some of the hardest to 420 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,120 reach areas of the county, some of the 421 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,240 most challenging terrain and otherwise 422 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,160 um not fiscally possible um on the part 423 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,840 of internet service providers to get 424 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,280 that service there. So that's the key 425 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,799 with this grant um the actions and the 426 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:10,400 agreements that are associated with 427 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,480 accepting this grant. So you will 428 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,120 approve um the acceptance and you will 429 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,080 authorize the board chair um to execute 430 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,120 the reconnect program grant and security 431 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,520 agreement and then two additional 432 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,080 agreements that were arrived at with New 433 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Vera communication based on 434 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,360 conversations we've had with um the USDA 435 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,919 uh regarding our ability to assign the 436 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:38,320 responsibilities underneath this grant 437 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,200 to New Vera as the internet as the co- 438 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,640 awardee and service provider. Um I think 439 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,559 on June 16th staff was before the board 440 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:49,919 during a study session during a 441 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:52,320 committee of the whole during which uh 442 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,160 staff expressed some concern about the 443 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,160 responsibilities, obligations and risks 444 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,600 associated with the grant. Um subsequent 445 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,320 to that uh Commissioner Flanders uh 446 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,200 helped arrange a meeting with the deputy 447 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,120 director of telecommunications programs 448 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,559 with the rural utility service. And at 449 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,080 that meeting, we received some 450 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,799 clarifications regarding what were 451 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:18,400 ultimately our true obligations and um 452 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,520 what um and we received, I guess you 453 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,240 could say, um a degree of freedom to 454 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,559 enter into those agreements with NEA 455 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,400 that could assign much of the 456 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,440 obligations and risks to to NEA at that 457 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:37,600 time. So um with that um I will say as 458 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,679 we move forward it's important to 459 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:42,720 acknowledge that the the risks or 460 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,880 obligations that remain with the county 461 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,480 uh going forward for the term which is 462 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,159 20 years would be to maintain a um a 463 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:52,320 pledge deposit account because the 464 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,679 county is named in legislation as the 465 00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:58,720 awardee of this grant. the county must 466 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 accept the money and maintain a pledged 467 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320 account um for both accepting the funds 468 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,640 and dispersing the funds. So that will 469 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,880 be the responsibility of the county. The 470 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520 county will also need to submit reports 471 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,159 that are associated with the grant um 472 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:17,280 along with the term. uh NEA and their 473 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,640 subcontractors will provide much of the 474 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,240 information that goes into those 475 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,559 reports, but al but in some cases it's 476 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,320 the county's responsibility submit to 477 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,280 submit those reports. And in the near 478 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,799 term, there's certainly going to be some 479 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,080 kind of additional staff time devoted to 480 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,919 setting up those accounts, making sure 481 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:37,280 all the agreements are in place and 482 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,120 moving forward. 483 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,039 So, the attachments to to this board 484 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,679 packet, you'll see the uh Reconnect 485 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:45,440 program grant and security agreement. 486 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,799 That's the master agreement with the 487 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,320 federal government that will be signed 488 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,840 both by um the county as principal 489 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,120 awardee and newa's secondary awardee. 490 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,039 And then two additional agreements 491 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,480 between the county and newa 492 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,640 communications. one to assign much of 493 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480 the responsibilities for reporting 494 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,799 associated with the grant to New Vera 495 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,640 Communications and the second um to obl 496 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,799 which essentially obligates New Vera 497 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,280 Communication or New Vera Communications 498 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,080 to provide the internet service for the 499 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,280 entire 20-year term of the uh grant 500 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,720 agreement. Um with that um I believe I 501 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,120 can uh just turn it over to you for any 502 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,840 questions you might have. 503 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Linda, 504 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,559 >> I don't necessarily have a question, but 505 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,200 I do have comments. 506 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,679 First off, thank you to everybody on 507 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:42,000 staff for being part of trying to work 508 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,120 this through. I appreciate it very much. 509 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:49,679 I know that it does add staff time to be 510 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:52,080 able to take a grant and do the 511 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,760 reporting on it. Um 512 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,200 I personally feel that broadband is 513 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 essential. So the idea of getting 195 514 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,600 people hooked up to fiber I think is 515 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,720 extremely important. But I do thank 516 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,960 everybody who put the time and effort 517 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,880 into um moving this along. 518 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,120 And with that, I would move that we 519 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,799 approve 520 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:23,039 the agreement um between the government 521 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,280 for the Reconnect program grant and 522 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,070 security agreement. 523 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,600 » Whole resolution. Correct. 524 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,760 >> Yes, the whole resolution. Sorry. 525 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320 >> And the two attachments. Correct. 526 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,000 >> And the attachments. 527 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,440 >> I'll second that. 528 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,039 >> There's a motion in a second. Any 529 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:41,679 discussion? 530 00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:44,880 >> I just have a question. So obviously 531 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,720 some of the work that NEA is going to do 532 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,480 and 533 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,799 some of it's very technical about how 534 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,480 you report it and what you got to 535 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,039 report. 536 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:01,840 Who is there anybody we have to rely on 537 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,799 that what is getting reported that's all 538 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,480 that technical stuff is accurate. 539 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:08,799 So 540 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,919 >> that's that and I I think in the process 541 00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:13,360 we're going to figure that out a little 542 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,039 bit. But 543 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,799 >> a couple things I think it's important 544 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,400 to understand there's a distinction 545 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,360 between the construction period and then 546 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,520 the ongoing service provision through 547 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,480 the 20-year um lease agreement. For the 548 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,559 construction uh period, there are some 549 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,279 pretty specific construction guidelines 550 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,679 that New Vera and any subcontractor they 551 00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:39,200 employ have to follow. And so um those 552 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,960 you know the asuranc is that they'll 553 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,440 follow those detailed technical aspects 554 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520 in in terms of the construction that's 555 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,200 part of the agreements we'll have with 556 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,159 them. And I think we also have faith in 557 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:53,039 New Vera as a partner um who's not only 558 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,000 done this um but is in is engaged with 559 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200 an engineering firm who has uh really 560 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720 completed a number of these um reconnect 561 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,279 uh programs around the state. So they're 562 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,039 familiar with the requirements of this 563 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,279 particular grant program. So they know 564 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,440 how to provide the information in a way 565 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,320 that the USDA will be satisfied. So 566 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,600 >> and I and I don't I don't question NEA 567 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,480 one bit about the work they're going to 568 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,400 do the contractors they hire, but I also 569 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520 in the back of my head have this road 570 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 construction side of me that says, "Yep, 571 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200 but you still have to be there to watch. 572 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,600 We really don't have technical expertise 573 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,000 to do that. So what we're relying on Noa 574 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,279 to be that piece of it. 575 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:43,840 >> That's correct. 576 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,840 >> Okay. I just I think we all need to 577 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,080 understand that, but I just needed it 578 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,360 said. So 579 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,720 >> Jason, did you have a question? 580 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,919 >> Yeah. Well, just [clears throat] a 581 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:55,679 curiosity. So are these I'm assuming 582 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:56,960 they've looked at it with this grant and 583 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,840 that's part of the reason it was 584 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159 questioned initially. These 190 supposed 585 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:01,600 homes, they've done the research on 586 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,120 this. They're like living in the stone 587 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,480 ages. All they have is dialup. They have 588 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,840 no internet access or anything where 589 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,600 they're at. 590 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,919 >> So that's correct. We we are aware based 591 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:12,320 on mapping and reporting who in the 592 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240 county does and does not have access to 593 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440 broadband um internet service. And so 594 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,120 the areas that have been identified as 595 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,039 part of this grant, we we can say for 596 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,120 certain don't at this time have 597 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,640 broadband access unless they have 598 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,240 independently um you know have a signed 599 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,400 a contract with another say satellite 600 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,840 provider or something like that. We 601 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,760 wouldn't have a way. But in terms of 602 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,760 utility provided broadband service um 603 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,080 we're pretty certain that the properties 604 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,039 identified the area currently lacks that 605 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,960 service. 606 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,039 >> Okay. But they still have internet 607 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,240 access being a satellite 608 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,000 options. 609 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,960 >> It it's it's 610 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,400 >> saying okay so end result is 611 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,960 yeah I don't support this. I mean I 612 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,559 there's a come and go with living in out 613 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,039 in the country. You maybe don't have to 614 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,400 deal with your neighbor's dog. Maybe you 615 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,919 don't the fire truck might take a little 616 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:08,000 longer to get there and you may not have 617 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,159 d you know you may not have fiber optic 618 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,919 in front of you. If you live on the side 619 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,840 of a rock ridge and you have a half mile 620 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,200 long driveway, it's not feasibly 621 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,520 possible. But you also have Starlink, 622 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,120 you're probably not using an antenna 623 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,440 with TV. You probably have a satellite 624 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440 for your TV because that's the 625 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,440 transition we've went. Homes are 626 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,360 seldomly hardwired anymore because we 627 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,760 have all the hard wireless. So we have a 628 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,200 $40 trillion debt at the federal 629 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960 government. I don't know where the $3.1 630 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,559 million is coming from. So 631 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,159 I get it. I'm just not sure that for 190 632 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,880 people that it really makes that much 633 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,880 sense. There's a reason they don't have 634 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,400 that it hasn't been done yet because 635 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,080 it's not feasible that the private 636 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,559 sector has made a decision. It's not 637 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,880 feasible to do it. Evidently, the 638 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,240 government's got the money to make the 639 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,240 decision and says it makes sense for 640 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,240 them. So, 641 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,760 if there was no options, I don't know 642 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,919 that it's equivalent to electrifying 643 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:03,760 rural America or getting everybody with 644 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,679 a phone. It's not equivalent because 645 00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:08,399 there are options. I'd be very doubtful 646 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:11,120 that any one of these 190 supposed homes 647 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,279 don't have internet access that they're 648 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,799 not using Starlink. They're not using 649 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,080 some sort of satellite version. It's I 650 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,360 hard to justify the money, but 651 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,000 evidently somebody's got it. Not sure 652 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,279 which pocket they're taking it out of, 653 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,399 but so 654 00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,480 >> and that's where I've uh this last 655 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,279 dollar cost have just ex you know 656 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,240 exploded over the last 10 years. You 657 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,000 know, they say that last, you know, used 658 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,720 to be 7,000 for that last mile and now 659 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,200 it's up over 30,000 for that last mile. 660 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,720 And uh it is I I I'm frustrated with it, 661 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520 you know, but the the program is there. 662 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,279 It's not, you know, technically coming 663 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,080 out of our direct pocket. it it I'm 664 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,120 frustrated with it, but it uh you know I 665 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120 guess for the advantage for these here 666 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,520 and uh you know it's one of those 667 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,919 programs that 668 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,640 is there and uh you know we got the 669 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,279 grant for it. So um 670 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,120 >> but very frustrated. Jason's point is 671 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,149 exact. It's very frustrating 672 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,000 homes would actually take the service. 673 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,669 Is that correct? 674 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:23,919 Under the terms of the grant, um the 675 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:25,840 county would be responsible to making 676 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,600 sure that they have the access to a 677 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,520 broadband internet service. Whether or 678 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760 not they engage with a an internet 679 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880 service provider to pay the monthly fee 680 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640 and get the service, that's that's 681 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,640 entirely up to them. But we we satisfy 682 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,320 the terms of the grant by providing 683 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,960 access. 684 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,399 >> So, we don't really know the answer to 685 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:45,279 that question. If if 189 homes are 686 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,760 likely to accept or 10 homes are likely 687 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,679 to accept and probably it's somewhere in 688 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:50,320 between that 689 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,919 >> you can't force people to 690 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:53,279 >> No, no, I understand that. I I 691 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,399 understand that option. 692 00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:56,320 >> Um I I understand that but I understand 693 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,480 the point of uh I think that does what 694 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,159 does this come out to per home? Do you 695 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:01,919 know that? 696 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:02,480 >> 189 697 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120 >> dividing the project cost by 195. I I 698 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,760 don't 699 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,080 >> Yeah, it's it's pretty high. 700 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,080 I think what's important to remember is 701 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,720 if we were to rely on the private market 702 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,000 or 703 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840 >> the rest of the county, 704 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,760 >> right, to get service to these homes, it 705 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,679 wouldn't happen. It's just financially 706 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,360 >> I understand that. And so we rely on 707 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,320 these types of programs to really 708 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,200 >> um 709 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360 >> get to those tough to reach otherwise 710 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,120 very tough to reach areas. 711 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360 >> To some extent the people who reviewed 712 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,760 the grant have decided that this pro 713 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,080 that this is of value enough to invest 714 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,000 in it. So I understand that too. 715 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,039 >> Excuse me. Sorry. 716 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,559 >> No, that that's okay. Um I forgot what 717 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,279 >> newation new Vera Communications has 718 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:46,720 determined since they are investing 719 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,320 money uh you know a million dollars into 720 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,840 this project 721 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,080 >> um they probably made the calculation 722 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,039 that um when presented with the 723 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,000 convenience of highspeed internet 724 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,080 reasonable cost. Uh, you know, part of 725 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840 the provisions of this agreement is that 726 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,760 the cost that any of these 195 uh homes 727 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,000 would pay can't exceed the price any 728 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,960 other uh home in in Redwing or any other 729 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,840 place that uh um NEA provides service. 730 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,159 It has to be provided at the same cost. 731 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,320 And so I think uh they've had a 732 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,000 calculation that given the convenience 733 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,919 and the cost that they're likely to get 734 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:23,440 a number of customers that would make 735 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,360 this investment to them worthwhile. 736 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,279 >> Right. Right. So they it has there have 737 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:28,880 to be enough people who actually do it 738 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,919 for it to be worth new vera's uh 739 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,399 investment. I understand that. My my 740 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:38,000 second question is is um there's always 741 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,399 risks to anything we do. I I get that 742 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,120 too. And the degree of risk to this 743 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,279 contract to me it seems like it would 744 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,000 probably be similar to the degree of 745 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,039 risk with other contracts we might have 746 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,960 with the federal government. that is it 747 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,720 or is it still substantially more? I I'm 748 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,240 just trying to understand is it sort of 749 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,399 the standard level of risk to the county 750 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:05,279 or is it uh higher than that? 751 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,399 I will say that um when the finance 752 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,960 department uh presented during the 753 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,799 committee of the whole I think one one 754 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,519 of the factors that they um contemplated 755 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,279 is that the dollar value of this grant 756 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,640 at $3.2 $2 million is quite high when it 757 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480 when in relationship to the overall 758 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,000 county budget. But the the likelihood of 759 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,960 um the federal government say asking for 760 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,880 a refund of that money is is 761 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,440 maybe barely not zero. I mean the the federal government is interested in 762 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,919 provi in this program providing internet 763 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:43,679 access to rural communities and if some 764 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:46,640 um some situation were to develop down 765 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,720 the road where we were not able to meet 766 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,360 the obligations or new vera was not able 767 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,600 to meet the obligations of this grant. 768 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,799 First and foremost, the federal 769 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,799 government would work with us to find 770 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,519 another service provider who could um 771 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,600 provide service. And given the fact that 772 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,120 this would be a a robust fiber optic 773 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,279 network in in the ground ready to go, um 774 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,840 finding an alternative service provider 775 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,559 should that come to pass. Um it's not 776 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,279 likely to be a a problem. But um if any 777 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,799 um financial uh penalties were to incur 778 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,200 in incur because of not meeting these 779 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,200 terms down the road, the agreements that 780 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,360 we currently have with NEA shift the 781 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,120 responsibility 782 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,000 all penalties um all I mean sort of all 783 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,320 matter of risk has been outlined in both 784 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,200 the uh assignment of responsibilities 785 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,960 agreement and the operations agreement 786 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200 to assign that to new communications. So 787 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,519 there is really truly very little risk 788 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,159 to the county at this point um thanks to 789 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:53,519 the leeway granted by the rural utility 790 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,279 service for us to enter into these 791 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,120 agreements with new 792 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,200 >> and um you know the county attorney and 793 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,000 Lucas 794 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,760 >> and Lucas and Scott and Steve it seems 795 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,360 reasonable the degree of risk 796 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,880 >> I think it does and I I think the risk 797 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,720 is really frontloaded on this particular 798 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,240 agreement it's not really for the whole 799 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,800 20 years I think the greatest risk comes 800 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800 when the funds have not been distributed 801 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,720 yet once the funds have been distributed 802 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,480 and the cables in the ground I think 803 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,760 that financial risk to the county really 804 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,440 I mean was mitigated at that point 805 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,159 significantly and the contract um 806 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,200 the operating contract has provisions in 807 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,040 there that will allow the county to 808 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200 transfer ownership of the asset which is 809 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,639 the cable to vera at some point after 810 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,720 within the you know a shorter time 811 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,280 frame. So once we once that actually 812 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,599 happens, if that happens, obviously the 813 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,200 risk to the county then even becomes 814 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,440 even less. So I guess ultimately I 815 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,839 wouldn't see it um as anything more 816 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:53,919 significant uh than our normal contract 817 00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,839 relationships. The issue for us really 818 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,640 is this is new territory for for us to 819 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,119 be doing this type of an agreement and 820 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,119 um installing 821 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,119 making a contract with a a company 822 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,359 that's installing fiber optic and then 823 00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,520 having some ownership interest in that 824 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,440 for that time frame. 825 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Um but again I think the the biggest 826 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560 risk is in the front side of this until 827 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,400 those funds are distributed and the and 828 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,240 the fiber optic is actually in the 829 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,760 ground. [clears throat] 830 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920 >> Thank you. Go ahead Brad. 831 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480 >> This you know we talk about this at at 832 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,480 the association of Minnesota counties 833 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,359 all the time because it falls under for 834 00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:33,599 some odd reason transportation. So, I 835 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,200 sit on that committee and we talk about 836 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,320 all the time and and 837 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680 while I can agree with Jason about the 838 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,800 debt and the federal level, 839 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,119 um these dollars these dollars are 840 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,560 already out the door. They're going 841 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,480 somewhere and if we don't take them, 842 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,160 they're going somewhere else. They're 843 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,839 already appropriated. They're going to 844 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:56,960 go they're going to come out. So 845 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,880 in that case, we might as well be one of 846 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,520 the takers of that rather than let it 847 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,760 pass us by. And and we still have this 848 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,280 problem. The whole problem, the roll out 849 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,040 of broadband and expanding fiber to 850 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,680 everybody was left to the privates. And the privates took 851 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,760 all the lowhanging fruit. They did all 852 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,920 the really easy stuff. They were in 853 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,760 cities. They put it in in cities because 854 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,000 it was easy because the houses are close 855 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,640 together. Whatever. They did some of the 856 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,920 rural where they were getting fiber from 857 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920 city to city and then we'll do these 858 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,280 people along this track. It really had 859 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,359 no plan that and it it was no plan to 860 00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:47,119 how they were going to get broadband to 861 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,880 everybody and thus it costs way more. If 862 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,359 they would have come out with a plan, 863 00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,200 said, "This is the process. We're going 864 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,560 to start here and we're going to work 865 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640 our way across a county," it would have 866 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,599 been a whole lot more 867 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,480 um economical to do it. But it was left 868 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,920 to privates. Privates capitalize where 869 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,400 they can capitalize and they let the 870 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,160 rest go down by the wayside. So, it is 871 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,240 the only way it's going to happen. I'm 872 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,680 frustrated. We're all frustrated. Um, 873 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,520 but ending up with 874 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,720 grant that actually gets something done 875 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,400 that if we don't use it, somebody else 876 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,760 will. I'd say you got to go for it. And 877 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,359 I'm not I'm not uh very worried about 878 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:38,240 the risk because I think it will, you 879 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,800 know, the project will get done after 880 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,079 that upkeep is is less somebody cuts a 881 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,680 cable. That's what's going to happen. 882 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,119 It's not anything else. Any any further 883 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,720 discussion? 884 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,160 All right, there's a motion and a 885 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,000 second. All those in favor say I. 886 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,839 >> I. 887 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:56,720 >> Opposed. 888 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,480 >> I 889 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,510 motion carries. 890 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,200 » Okay. The second item I have for you is 891 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,200 also a grant. Uh this is seeking board 892 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,359 approval to apply uh for uh the 2026 893 00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:13,680 safe and secure courthouse initiative 894 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,160 grant. 895 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Um this grant uh is to fund um 896 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,440 courthouse safety improvements. Um the 897 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,960 county has in the past um identified uh 898 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,240 through uh audits done in 2021 and uh 899 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,680 its capital planning process a number of 900 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,839 projects that would increase safety and 901 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:39,599 security at the courthouse. um this 2026 902 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,680 grant uh and the terms of the grant 903 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,160 requirements um align closely with those 904 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,480 projects that we had previously planned. 905 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,800 And so the request is for the board to 906 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,839 authorize uh application for this grant. 907 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,880 I will note that it says up to $400,000 908 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,280 and um because of just the timing uh 909 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,520 with this uh the grant is due September 910 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,640 8th and we need to get working on final 911 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,320 proposals on some of these things. We do 912 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,160 have um what I would say some initial uh 913 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,720 proposals on at least one aspect of this 914 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,880 grant uh program. Some of the other ones 915 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,359 are a little bit more firm. Um but the 916 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:20,320 budget is is most likely to expected on 917 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,079 the project to be more closer to 918 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,200 $350,000, not $400,000. But at the time 919 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,040 the board packet was due, I had to kind 920 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,560 of put a number in there. So, it's up to 921 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,880 $400,000 with a 50% match um for from 922 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,560 the state and then a 50% match from the 923 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,880 county. Um what's significant about that 924 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,680 number is $200,000 was what we had in 925 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680 the capital campaign in 20 in the 926 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 capital plan in 2028 for these type of 927 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,560 security improvements. So, what this 928 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,839 allows us to do is to um stretch that 929 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:55,119 dollar to include more um more of the 930 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,119 types of access um and u monitoring 931 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:03,680 security um um uh projects to expand 932 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,599 that project somewhat, but then to also 933 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,520 add some additional things like safety 934 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,079 glass to the transaction windows, four 935 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,599 transaction windows within the 936 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,880 courthouse, uh the justice center. and 937 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,800 then um an update to the screening um 938 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,880 machinery at the entrance. And I believe 939 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,079 one of the machines is is um um in need 940 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,640 of repair or replacement um in the near 941 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,960 term. So this is good timing with this 942 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,359 grant. Um 943 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,599 I think uh I think that about does it 944 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,440 for the summary. Uh if there's any 945 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,560 questions, I'd be happy to answer them 946 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,520 >> or Tim. 947 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,960 >> Well, I I have one question. It's kind 948 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,800 of to Steve O'Keefe. I had understood 949 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,720 that that was safety glass that was put 950 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,040 in originally at that big window. And 951 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,359 maybe that's not true, but and maybe I'm 952 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:50,480 just wrong, but that's what I 953 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,599 understood. 954 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:52,960 >> I had the same assumption, but 955 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,240 apparently you were wrong. 956 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,760 >> Okay. [laughter] 957 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,960 >> It is not. 958 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,000 >> Okay. 959 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,599 >> We were operating under a false sense of 960 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:00,560 security, I guess. 961 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,400 >> All right. All right. Well, good to feel 962 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,400 secure, I guess. But uh and then the 963 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,680 other thing I wondered, I think there's 964 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,680 been some talk about the windows along 965 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,599 uh Fifth Street for the county 966 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,640 attorney's office and the vulnerability 967 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,119 there. 968 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:14,880 >> Yeah, if I could just mention there's a 969 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,480 number of different type of glasses that 970 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,359 we have. Um in general, we don't discuss 971 00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:22,400 our actual public discussion. 972 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,000 >> So I just want to make sure if we get 973 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,520 this grant, we're spending it in the way 974 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520 that provides the most safety possible. 975 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,640 That that's simply 976 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,480 >> correct. And and for those of you who 977 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,480 are here in 2021, we did a full 978 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760 assessment um of those of all of our 979 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,760 facilities, but um the courthouse in 980 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,079 general um with the sheriff's office and 981 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,520 then um homeland security. So we we do 982 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,520 have pretty comprehensive list of things 983 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,440 that we've been working on over the last 984 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,079 5 years and this just timing wise again 985 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,480 like Nick said, um we are planning on 986 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,760 doing some of these things that are 987 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,760 already budgeted for. So it's just an 988 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,520 opportunity to get some funding from the 989 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:57,760 city. 990 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,040 >> I understand that. Thank you. 991 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,040 >> So, yes, we'll continue to do those as 992 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,599 we outside of this grant application. 993 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,520 We'll continue to do those improvements. 994 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,319 >> All right. 995 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,079 >> Move approval to enter into the grant. 996 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,280 >> Second 997 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,960 >> motion and a second. Any further 998 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960 discussion? 999 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,280 >> Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 1000 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:17,680 >> I. 1001 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:26,150 Opposed. Motion carries. 1002 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,640 » Thank you. Okay. So, the third item I 1003 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,680 have for you is a FYI item. Um, 1004 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,359 and I believe I'll have a co-presenter 1005 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:40,790 for this as well. Um, 1006 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880 the background on this uh particular 1007 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,960 item is that um the uh Good Hugh County 1008 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,520 and the city of Redwing is uh going to 1009 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000 consider the long-term occupancy of the 1010 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,800 law enforcement center. And um in the 1011 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,960 spring of this year, uh the ad hoc 1012 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,160 committee uh from the city council who's 1013 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,599 working on this um sent a note through 1014 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,960 um council administrator Heinman to the 1015 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920 county administrator requesting uh to 1016 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,520 see if we would be open to a couple 1017 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,480 different um questions uh ways to kind 1018 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960 of um organize the lease and those are 1019 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,200 outlined in the um in the board memo. 1020 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,760 But things like long longer term lease 1021 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,839 considerations, the ability to um have 1022 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:31,040 um predictability uh both in the long 1023 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,000 term but also ways to adjust the lease 1024 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880 over time. Um 1025 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,200 ways to uh structure the lease or the 1026 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,359 rent um by space type and to um and how 1027 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,800 city- funded improvements might be 1028 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,800 treated. Um the county uh discussed this 1029 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,040 including the board of commissioners at 1030 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,680 a uh budget meeting. I believe that was 1031 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,720 on um May uh 25th was the date of that 1032 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,760 or May um May 19th. 1033 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,280 >> Yeah. Oh y 1034 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,040 at the May 5th budget workshop, we 1035 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,079 discussed that. So, um, and, uh, so, 1036 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,400 County Administrator Arnerson responded 1037 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800 in affirmative to, uh, our willingness 1038 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,599 to consider these, uh, um, uh, sort of, 1039 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,359 uh, potentials that were forwarded by 1040 00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,280 the city council or by the ad hoc 1041 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,720 committee. um with with the caveat that 1042 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,640 it would probably be a good idea to seek 1043 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,280 a third party with some expertise in 1044 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,920 this area to kind of do the final 1045 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,880 determination on how these factors uh 1046 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,520 can be incorporated into the lease. So 1047 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,480 this this um this action is really a 1048 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,599 it's a it's a request for proposals that 1049 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,800 will go out to qualified firms who we 1050 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,480 have identified through a screening 1051 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440 process um that have some expertise both 1052 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,440 in u public buildings um but also in 1053 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,079 lease negotiate lease negotiations and 1054 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,079 financial investment and the 1055 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,480 calculations of rent uh in public 1056 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,079 buildings. Um it's a small um 1057 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,920 engagement. The scope was really 1058 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,599 carefully crafted in a way to really 1059 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,760 answer one of the questions that's going 1060 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,400 to be um that the city of Redwing quite 1061 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,319 frankly is going to have to face when 1062 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:21,119 they make a a bigger decision about the 1063 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,599 future home of the long-term home of the 1064 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:27,119 police force. So this is not uh this is 1065 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,520 an attempt really to just provide one 1066 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,640 piece of data and that's um the rent and 1067 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,400 the lease calculations and how that will 1068 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880 be calculated in order for them to in 1069 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,800 the future maybe you down the road when 1070 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,079 they have to make this difficult 1071 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:45,440 decision. This one um this one piece 1072 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,960 will be um sort of determined in a way 1073 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040 that we share the responsibility the 1074 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,960 city and the county. In other words, 1075 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,359 we're both um 1076 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,200 sort of participating in both the 1077 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400 process of identifying uh how we should 1078 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,720 proceed in determining these things, but 1079 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,119 the partners that we choose, the third 1080 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,599 party um outside partners that we choose 1081 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,240 to do this. So, we've tried, I think, 1082 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,480 um, to let the city lead a lot of this 1083 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640 effort when it comes to this particular 1084 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,359 piece of work because ultimately it's 1085 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:20,240 important that they trust um, the 1086 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,359 process and we all have confidence that 1087 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,599 the lease that we arrive at and the rent 1088 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,880 we determine at the end is serves our 1089 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,200 needs and is adjustable over time. So, 1090 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,960 um, 1091 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,359 the the attached history document goes 1092 00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:39,359 into much more background, but I think 1093 00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:42,720 for the sake of this FYI item really, 1094 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,280 we're talking about um, a request for 1095 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,760 proposals for just some assistance for 1096 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880 expertise, objective, trusted expertise 1097 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,480 in arriving in those terms for the 1098 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,480 lease. So, um, this item, I think, as 1099 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,319 you know, was in front of the Redwing 1100 00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,117 City Council at their last meeting. Um, 1101 00:47:01,117 --> 00:47:01,680 [snorts] 1102 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,960 no formal vote was needed or requested 1103 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,720 because the quite frankly the dollar 1104 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,160 amount is below the thresholds where 1105 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,880 that would be required. But we both 1106 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,720 administrations I think it's fair to say 1107 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,520 think it's important that um our our 1108 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,680 governing bodies are our commissions uh 1109 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,359 are aware of where we are at in this 1110 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:22,640 process. So um with that I will 1111 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,349 entertain any questions you might have. 1112 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,760 So, I'll start. 1113 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,520 >> Um 1114 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,800 I don't I I understand where this is 1115 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200 coming from and 1116 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,000 um it is all about building some trust 1117 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,680 and we probably need that 1118 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,480 um on both on on both sides to some 1119 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,640 degree. The question I have is 1120 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,000 what are we studying? What exactly are 1121 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,119 we studying? And is that what the city 1122 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,119 has decided 1123 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,839 is what they want? 1124 00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,520 Because we can go through this whole 1125 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,599 exercise and then the goalpost moves and 1126 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:08,960 then go through it again and the 1127 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:16,240 goalpost moves. What I want to know is it an addition? Is it restructuring 1128 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:21,040 of space inside? Is it cuz when what you 1129 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,040 said was city council didn't take a 1130 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,119 vote. To my knowledge, the city council 1131 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,680 hasn't made a decision what they're 1132 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,359 proposing for us to study. If they would 1133 00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:35,119 tell us what they want us to study, 1134 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,680 then I'm fine with it. If they're not 1135 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,960 going to tell us and we're taking a stab 1136 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,760 at in the dark without the full council 1137 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,960 saying that's what we want, then I'm I'm 1138 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,440 going to hold off and say come back to 1139 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,599 us when you're ready because it's not 1140 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:52,960 ready in that point. 1141 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,839 >> Go ahead, Scott. 1142 00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:58,160 >> Uh uh if you're asking if the if the 1143 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920 city council has taken a position on 1144 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,839 which exact option, to my knowledge, 1145 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,800 they have not. I believe the ad hoc 1146 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,960 committee has said they preferred option 1147 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,640 two 1148 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480 um which is kind of the middle of the 1149 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040 road. Um I will say for all of the 1150 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,440 option that does require you know fairly 1151 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,680 significant uh county investment as 1152 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,880 well. 1153 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,760 >> Um but no, if you're asking has the city 1154 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,599 council uh taken a specific position on 1155 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,200 option one, two, or three? I don't 1156 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,520 believe they have. This is intended to 1157 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,000 try to uh you know uh determine what 1158 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,200 exactly appropriate uh lease rates could 1159 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,200 be uh even with an expansion. Um and it 1160 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,960 you're right it's it's a it's more 1161 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680 difficult um as you start adding further 1162 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,000 onto that building and start you know 1163 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,240 complicating it with different types of 1164 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,800 uh square footage rates possibly for a 1165 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,839 garage versus a internal secure office. 1166 00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:58,800 Um, so yes, those those are complicating 1167 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,720 factors. There's no question about it. 1168 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,480 Um, there's a there's a lot to this. Um, 1169 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,359 if you look historically, um, I think 1170 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:08,960 Stacy, is it three or four different 1171 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,359 lease versions we've had with the 1172 00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:14,240 somewhere in that vicinity and, um, all 1173 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,440 of them started with good intentions and 1174 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,119 by the time they'd been around a while, 1175 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,240 I think there's things that both, uh, 1176 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,760 the city and the county didn't like 1177 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,960 about them. um in including this last 1178 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,440 one as an example. Um I think again it 1179 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,040 had good intentions at the beginning of 1180 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,920 it but what happened during co the co 1181 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,480 years between you know 21 and today 1182 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,440 between you know just general inflation 1183 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,079 uh construction costs uh building costs 1184 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,079 materials costs all of those things um 1185 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,920 there's no way we could have predicted 1186 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,319 that our rates would get that far out of 1187 00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:54,640 whack. And and what I'm saying here, I 1188 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,640 don't think I'd be out of out of tune. I 1189 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,920 think the city, if they're sitting right 1190 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,079 here, they'd agree that nobody, in fact, 1191 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,599 I know I've had the same discussion with 1192 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,599 Marshall Hock, their finance director, 1193 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,599 and Chris Heinman. I mean, nobody knew 1194 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,520 those things. And Lucas has been 1195 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,040 involved in some of those conversations, 1196 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,680 too. We we simply just would not have 1197 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,599 known that. And now I think one of the 1198 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,440 things we've talked about moving 1199 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,359 forward, you'd have to have some type of 1200 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:20,240 circuit breaker that if those if we have 1201 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,240 another period of time like that where 1202 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,640 it's things are way exceeding 1203 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,200 inflationary rates then then you'd have 1204 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,040 to have a way to go back and look at 1205 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,400 those. Even uh if you go back two years 1206 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040 ago, uh Lucas and his staff spent a ton 1207 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,280 of time and actually a lot of other of 1208 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,599 us spent a lot of time on it too. But uh 1209 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,599 to try to just determine what the cost 1210 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,440 the entire cost of that facility are and 1211 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,119 break it down to a square footage 1212 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,240 standpoint. Even those numbers uh moving 1213 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,880 forward, we have to redo all of those. 1214 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,599 Um they're outdated just from a I don't 1215 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:54,960 know if that was two or two and a half 1216 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,880 years ago, but they're those are already 1217 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,599 outdated. So, um, but that that's a very 1218 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,000 good question. Um, uh, Commissioner 1219 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,720 Anderson, 1220 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,200 >> when, uh, when we've set our current 1221 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,960 rate right now, it's it's kind of been 1222 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,800 an estimate. I mean, we've never had an 1223 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,200 RFP sent out to establish our rent, 1224 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,480 >> right? Right. And I think that would be 1225 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,640 the starting point and say, "Okay, now 1226 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,160 if we we we have this established 1227 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,880 for the next how many years?" Now, if we 1228 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,280 want to throw some remodeling into 1229 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,280 there, we we would have that equation, 1230 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,160 but we just we've never had an official 1231 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,520 RFP on that. Correct. 1232 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,240 >> Not not to determine an actual cost. So, 1233 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,800 if you look at the structures, we've had 1234 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,720 different structures. The first one 1235 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,800 literally I think the county needed x 1236 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,119 number of dollars and that's how that 1237 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,880 number of dollars got applied to the 1238 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,280 whole equation and said okay for that 1239 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,920 you help us with this we give you this. 1240 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,280 Um and then uh we and also there was a 1241 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,960 framework in there for some operating 1242 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,160 costs and pretty soon that formula 1243 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,240 didn't work very well. And then we went 1244 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,160 through another phase and we then we 1245 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,680 figured out that uh you know uh not all 1246 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,240 of the access points like the bathrooms 1247 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,000 and the break rooms and the hallways 1248 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,400 that you'd use to get to a city office, 1249 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,920 those weren't in the equation. So then 1250 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,599 we had to figure out how to get those in 1251 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,880 the equation. um this last goound, you 1252 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,119 know, we we can tell you what it costs 1253 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,760 per square foot to have that facility. 1254 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,920 But what we're not really experts in, 1255 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640 and that's this is part of where one of 1256 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,559 these firms could help you with is that 1257 00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,599 the the roof over your head has a cost 1258 00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,440 and and it depreciates the second you 1259 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,240 put it there. What when you break that 1260 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,319 down to a square footage on the existing 1261 00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:45,119 facility for the replacement of that 1262 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,200 roof, what how many cents per square 1263 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,680 foot should that be applied to the city 1264 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,920 and how many cents per square foot foot 1265 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,240 should be applied to the county and and 1266 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,760 all different costs. You take any 1267 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,359 component of the building, the second 1268 00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,359 you build it, it switches, you know, 1269 00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:02,319 from a from an asset to a liability. So 1270 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:03,839 those are some of the types of things 1271 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,079 when you when you have to add those on 1272 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,319 to the costs of just a square footage 1273 00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,960 cost today of the building, what those 1274 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,040 depreciated costs have to go back into 1275 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,160 that lease calculation. And really what 1276 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,440 we've done um you know we we we did 1277 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,760 previously analyze what the cost per 1278 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,240 square footage is and then added some 1279 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,720 administrative level onto that um on a 1280 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,440 square foot basis. But, uh, forever 1281 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,319 we've told the city and our our members 1282 00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,480 on that committee that we don't honestly 1283 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,880 know if that's the right rate. It may 1284 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,559 not might be. Um, we do know our our uh 1285 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,920 architect has said it's very fair, which 1286 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,680 tells me that it's, you know, not too 1287 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,280 far one way or the other, but it also 1288 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,760 tells me that it might be too fair, too. 1289 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:52,720 But those [clears throat] are things 1290 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,960 like I say when you have to figure out 1291 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,599 how much the the air conditioning system 1292 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,160 should be charged back in rent each 1293 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,480 month uh on a square footage basis. We 1294 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,720 that's not something we do every day. 1295 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,880 >> Actually, we don't do it ever. 1296 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,240 >> We never So, is it more about the lease 1297 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,680 rate than it is about expansion? I mean, 1298 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:20,800 I because I think you could hand this to somebody to evaluate it and they 1299 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,920 could be looking at five different 1300 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,480 options because nobody's narrowed it 1301 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,440 down or the city basically the city 1302 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,480 obviously for us if the city wasn't 1303 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,079 there we don't have a problem with space 1304 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,880 probably won't for many many years but 1305 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,599 h they need to know what we're looking 1306 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:47,359 at and I don't I have and I fully 1307 00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,119 transparent I talked to one of the city 1308 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,079 council members and I don't think they 1309 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,520 know what they want and and that's I 1310 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,079 don't want to spend dollars 1311 00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,040 getting a number that really doesn't 1312 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,359 mean anything because the goalpost gets 1313 00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:06,319 changed. So I I don't know how to get 1314 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:09,520 there. I just I I'm really having a 1315 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,119 struggle with that piece of it. Linda, 1316 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,079 >> I think in order to manage the scope of 1317 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,040 this project, you know, and um we told 1318 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,000 potential vendors that we don't want you 1319 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,319 to develop cost estimates um about 1320 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:31,839 potential expansion concepts. um the 1321 00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:33,839 capital investment involved either by 1322 00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:35,920 the city or the city and the county 1323 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,079 together, the investment involved in a 1324 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,440 in an expansion scenario is something 1325 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,599 that we've been asked to consider in how 1326 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:47,359 we calculate the the lease rates. So I 1327 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:48,880 think the reason we're seeking an 1328 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,359 outside expert then is to say um I think 1329 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,040 there's going to be have to be some 1330 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,359 assumptions made or some placeholders if 1331 00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:00,000 there is a $10 mill million investment 1332 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,319 for example how should that how should 1333 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,079 that factor into the lease rate 1334 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,319 calculation so at the end of the day we 1335 00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:09,200 have the calculations we or we've at 1336 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,280 least explored what that would look like 1337 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920 and and come to a decision whether or 1338 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,480 not that how and if that should be 1339 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,599 included in the rent calculation without 1340 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:21,680 any specific determination of this is 1341 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,839 exactly how option one, two and three 1342 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:27,520 will look but some some assumptions so 1343 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,240 that we can kind of build the framework 1344 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,559 build the the tool that makes the 1345 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,799 calculations and then we can plug in the 1346 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:37,359 numbers later um for the various 1347 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,160 options. So, this is really just a tool 1348 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,920 to to nail down one variable out of many 1349 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,000 variables that eventually will need to 1350 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,265 be considered. But, uh, but we're 1351 00:57:48,265 --> 00:57:50,079 [clears throat] seeking that expertise 1352 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,359 to say, should this be considered? Yes. 1353 00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:55,760 If yes, how should it be considered? And 1354 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,760 then later on, we can determine what 1355 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,319 exactly that looks like. Well, and and 1356 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:01,839 my 1357 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:04,319 part of my concern is and I've seen it 1358 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:07,440 happen from afar. I've not been on the 1359 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,520 on this committee. I've not been in any 1360 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,720 of these negotiations or talks, but once 1361 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,359 a number comes out, people hang on to 1362 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,440 it. So whatever number comes out of 1363 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,400 this, there will be people that will 1364 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,720 hold on to that number and no matter 1365 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,359 what you change, that's still a number. 1366 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:28,240 Because we've got that now 1367 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,599 with old numbers and they still hang on 1368 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,880 to them and say, "Well, 1369 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,160 whatever." So that's why I'm saying 1370 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,440 whatever we do, we better be darn sure, 1371 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,000 the city is on board with how we're 1372 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,520 getting that number or it won't mean 1373 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,400 anything. And I don't think the city's 1374 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,240 at that point from my conversation with 1375 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,799 that council member that they're not at 1376 00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,760 that point. They don't know if it's 1377 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,079 >> plan one, plan two, plan three. They 1378 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:05,599 have no idea. I've been on that 1379 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,480 committee and we haven't met much in the 1380 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,319 last year. Not much but uh one time. Is 1381 00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,000 that what you think? But I think that 1382 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,160 your comment about building trust was a 1383 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,520 very important one. And um I think that 1384 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,480 in a way um going for this kind of 1385 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,520 proposal was us not saying this is what 1386 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,960 the county wants, this is what the 1387 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,400 county needs. It was trying to come up 1388 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,400 with a realistic number. And I think 1389 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,559 sometimes about Linda talking about true 1390 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,520 costs. Okay. And it's always hard to 1391 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,520 come up with true costs. I mean, it it's 1392 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,520 a moving target. It's kind of hard. But 1393 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,720 I think that that the goal was for uh 1394 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,119 I think the goal was for the city to to 1395 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,920 pay what is indeed their share and the 1396 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,920 county to cover what's theirs. That's 1397 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,760 really what the goal was. We're not 1398 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,359 trying to make money on them. We're not 1399 00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:58,799 trying to lose money. We're just trying 1400 00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:01,040 to come up with that number. I think 1401 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,799 with the the rebuild or with the 1402 01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,200 addition, I think the concern the city 1403 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,160 has is what does that mean to to pay or 1404 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,920 put a lot of money into a building they 1405 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,040 don't actually own. And so I think that 1406 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,920 understanding that piece is really 1407 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,799 important to them. 1408 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:23,599 >> Well, and and I not to not to drag up 1409 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,040 um old information, but 1410 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,960 we contracted with the city for 1411 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,720 municipal solid waste. Mhm. 1412 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,359 >> That contract specifically says every 1413 01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:35,680 year when they set rates, they are 1414 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,400 supposed to give us the reasons why it's 1415 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,359 going up, give us the documentation. 1416 01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:44,640 >> Five years at least. 1417 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,799 We've never had it yet. 1418 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:51,200 So, when it comes to being trustworthy, 1419 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,880 I'm going to tell you, 1420 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,880 >> there's another side of this out there 1421 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,720 that the city hasn't upheld that, you 1422 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,640 know, I I've asked for it every year. 1423 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,640 We never get it. 1424 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,960 >> And the rates have gone from 90 1425 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,040 something to I think the tipping fee now 1426 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,119 is 138. 1427 01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:12,720 They haven't given us a justification 1428 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,160 why it's gone up once. So, 1429 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,640 If you're talking about trust, that's a 1430 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,799 two-way street. It's not. Absolutely. 1431 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:21,839 It's not. 1432 01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:27,200 >> So, you bring that to me and then I'll start working harder for you. 1433 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,880 But it's really been a stick in my craw 1434 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,079 >> that we don't have answers to things 1435 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,400 that are in a contract. 1436 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,079 >> Well, that's reasonable. I mean, would 1437 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:39,520 they should provide that information. I 1438 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,079 want to know that this is what the city 1439 01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,400 council wants us to study, then I'll 1440 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,599 vote for it, 1441 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:46,079 >> Linda. 1442 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,910 >> Other than that, I won't. 1443 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,319 Well, I do support the I it's a small 1444 01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:55,520 amount of money comparatively and I do 1445 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,839 believe that from everything I have 1446 01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,480 heard trust level on both sides is quite 1447 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,920 weak and that we are to the point where 1448 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,920 an independent 1449 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,760 analysis by someone who does this 1450 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,680 professionally is where we are at. So 1451 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,079 from that standpoint, I absolutely do 1452 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:17,920 support it. 1453 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,079 >> Go ahead, Scott. I I just wanted to note 1454 01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,839 in fairness to the city and I'm not 1455 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:23,280 saying that they've given us the 1456 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,799 information that Commissioner Anderson 1457 01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:29,040 has requested uh but in fairness to the 1458 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,319 city the uh date uh has already been set 1459 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:33,920 for them to provide that information. 1460 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,880 It's October 5th at 11:30 a.m. this this 1461 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,799 year. So in fairness to the current 1462 01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:41,040 administration and city council that is 1463 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,240 in process this year. 1464 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880 Um, I agree with Linda that I think we 1465 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,880 need to have a process that both sides 1466 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,760 think is um when I say fair, we all uh are 1467 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,960 self-interested and the outside person 1468 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,440 is not going to be on the side of the 1469 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,280 city or on side the side of the county 1470 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,720 but just trying to come up with a 1471 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,680 framework that is uh reasonable and 1472 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,520 makes sense and I think I think that 1473 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,670 would be extremely helpful. 1474 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,458 One more comment and that is that 1475 01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:15,200 [clears throat] when you're talking 1476 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,359 about the law enforcement center and 1477 01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:20,000 moving forward, the costs on both sides 1478 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,960 are so incredibly high for whatever 1479 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,000 direction that the city wants to go. 1480 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,960 that for that reason I I mean that's 1481 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,599 another reason why I believe that an 1482 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,280 independent 1483 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,559 um lease framework and understanding of 1484 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:39,280 what the options are and the cost done 1485 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,839 by a professional. 1486 01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:42,799 It's the way to go. 1487 01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,799 >> Well, we as a board don't have expertise 1488 01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:46,559 on what a lease should look like when 1489 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,359 you're um putting on this addition and 1490 01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:51,920 uh um the city isn't going to own it. We 1491 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,359 don't we don't have expertise in that. 1492 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:56,720 That's a very complex 1493 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,119 >> I think it is and complex and again it's 1494 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,799 not it's not where we're building a 1495 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:03,440 building to try to make money. We're 1496 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,839 just trying to divide the cost fairly. 1497 01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:06,720 That's all. 1498 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,720 >> And I mean I'll just add to it that 1499 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,799 especially since the population in both 1500 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:13,920 the county and the city is not growing. 1501 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,559 Right? 1502 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,079 >> Therefore, 1503 01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,880 I'm confused at the moment as to why law 1504 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,880 enforcement would keep growing when the 1505 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,119 population is not growing. And again, 1506 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,599 I'm going to go back to that's why we 1507 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,799 need an independent who specializes in 1508 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:29,200 this. 1509 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,039 >> I'll put a plug in for the demographer, 1510 01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:32,640 too, because they'll have some ideas 1511 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,720 about that. Not only is the population 1512 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,960 not growing, it's aging and and uh with 1513 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,200 the aging population, there is on 1514 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,480 average less crime. No, 1515 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,880 >> go ahead, Lucas. 1516 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,280 I just wanted to add that um with this 1517 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,559 specific item, I would say tensions on 1518 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,640 all parties are probably rather high and 1519 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,760 that's probably just due to the fact 1520 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,280 that these things are extremely 1521 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,960 expensive. Um so inherently um I would 1522 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,599 say myself personally, I'm going to work 1523 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,760 as hard as I can to do the best I can to 1524 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,280 make sure all the residents of Goody 1525 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,680 County as a whole are treated the most 1526 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,160 fairly from a county perspective. And I 1527 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,839 would agree or I would assume I don't 1528 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,440 want to speak for Marshall from the red 1529 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,760 from Redwing, but my assumption is that 1530 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,680 he would want to do the same exact thing 1531 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,480 from his perspective. Um, again, I don't 1532 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,640 want to speak for him personally, but I 1533 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,200 believe both him and I um have the share 1534 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,760 the same opinion that this process is 1535 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,559 probably a really good idea just because 1536 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,480 as you as I said, tensions are very 1537 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,359 high. This u would be an independent 1538 01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,359 third party and these vendors do this 1539 01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:40,799 for a living. We received examples um uh 1540 01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,520 just for additional context um you know 1541 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,119 some of these organizations they work 1542 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,839 with um 1543 01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:50,480 joint uh buildings that are owned by 1544 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,520 multiple different governmental entities 1545 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,680 that they share this you know this one 1546 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,440 large facility and it may be owned by 1547 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,960 five different ones or there might be 1548 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,880 five different organizations that are 1549 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,280 working out of this one particular um 1550 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,400 building and this is what they do. they figure out what each entity should 1551 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,440 actually pay in a reasonable basis. Um, 1552 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,839 so again, tensions are high, but this is 1553 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:17,039 a means to come up with a number whether 1554 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:20,640 or not we like that number or the city 1555 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,520 of Redwing likes that number. Again, 1556 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,119 this would be developed by an 1557 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,440 independent party that does not have 1558 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,319 ties to the county or the city. That was 1559 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:31,920 part of the vetting process as well. We 1560 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,720 want to have a true third party. Um, and 1561 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,960 then we can weigh those options. So, 1562 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,960 >> there's no guarantee that having this 1563 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,440 third party do this is going to relieve 1564 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,200 tensions, but not re doing it probably 1565 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,000 is guaranteed to increase tensions. 1566 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,760 >> I think this is probably the best step 1567 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,920 forward if we want to continue to 1568 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,359 collaborate with the city of Reding with 1569 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:56,319 the law enforcement center. 1570 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:58,480 >> Any other comments? 1571 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,280 >> This is not a decision for us. It's 1572 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,799 going to go forward. 1573 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,280 >> Well, it it it's brought to you 1574 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,440 asformational purposes. It's definitely 1575 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,760 below a threshold that we can approve. 1576 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,119 But I mean, if you have specific 1577 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,599 direction that you want or want us to go 1578 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,599 back and talk to the city about and it's 1579 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:17,359 a consensus of the board or a motion, it 1580 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,880 could be, but uh we certainly would take 1581 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,440 all input you have involved and 1582 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,880 including Brad. I mean, if you're 1583 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,359 wanting to somehow incorporate finding 1584 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:29,520 out what option, if there's a certain 1585 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,440 option, we want to figure it out in 1586 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,599 here, we could um that I mean, your 1587 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:36,640 question's a very valid question. Um 1588 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,319 there's there's no doubt about that. And 1589 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:39,760 we don't honestly know that. We know 1590 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,079 what the ad hoc committee is. Um you 1591 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,400 know, in in fairness to the city, I also 1592 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,880 don't know that uh we have three 1593 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,400 commissioners that want to vote for any 1594 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,920 project. 1595 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,240 I'm I'm sorry I don't to put that on 1596 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,280 you, but [clears throat] it's a 1597 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,119 realistic answer because or question 1598 01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,920 because uh if you look at uh options 1599 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,680 one, two, or three, all three of them 1600 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,880 include $3 million of of uh money from 1601 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,119 the county. And that question may be uh 1602 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:08,720 answered one way right now, and it may 1603 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,200 be answered differently next year 1604 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,640 because there will be two new county 1605 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,880 board members. 1606 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,600 Well, and you know, I'm always concerned 1607 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,480 um if the county builds buildings 1608 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:26,480 is part of building buildings that the 1609 01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,120 county doesn't need. 1610 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,600 And right now, we don't need any 1611 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,759 addition to the law enforcement center. 1612 01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:35,440 So, 1613 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:40,080 if it gets built and then the city moves 1614 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,960 out later, now it becomes a liability 1615 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,120 for us. and it's not a conducive 1616 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,839 building to any other department other 1617 01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:50,239 than law enforcement. So, it really 1618 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,199 doesn't maybe some court services, but 1619 01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,600 it is really a liability at that point. 1620 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,440 So I that's why I'm I'm really would 1621 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,560 like the city to say yes, that's what we 1622 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,679 want you to study and that's what we 1623 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:07,600 want to know the answer to because if 1624 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,080 they don't and it's something different 1625 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,159 with the other majority of the council 1626 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,239 then we're studying the wrong thing. 1627 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,480 That's all I'm saying. And that's for 1628 01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:20,960 the for the I'm going to leave it to the 1629 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,319 committee to make those kinds of 1630 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,000 decisions. But in reality, I don't want 1631 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000 to study something that really isn't 1632 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,239 going to answer the 1633 01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,640 >> bulk of the city's question. 1634 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,239 >> Yeah, I understand. We haven't met for 1635 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,239 quite a while, like I said, but my 1636 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,880 impression is, and Scott, you can 1637 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,560 correct me if I'm wrong, that what the 1638 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,120 city was most interested in was this 1639 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,480 addition towards Fifth Street with some 1640 01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:49,199 size of a garage. That's my impression. 1641 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:51,440 And I don't think there's an option on 1642 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:54,640 the table where it's just staying in the 1643 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,080 same space without an addition but doing 1644 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,400 remodeling. I don't think that's on the 1645 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,400 an option on the table with the city 1646 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,159 anyway. 1647 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,800 >> Um Stacy probably is the best to go 1648 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,159 through all the different renditions and 1649 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,159 there's been a lot of them. No different 1650 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:10,400 than 1651 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,199 >> But do you think 1652 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,120 >> no different than on HHS I think there 1653 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,040 was 28 different presentations on that 1654 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,600 building. But um the the the option of a 1655 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,679 about a half of an expansion of a garage 1656 01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,960 was and remodeling inside and then uh 1657 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,440 some new space for law enforcement was 1658 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,040 the one they were most interested. 1659 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,640 Again, that's the ad hoc committee. 1660 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,600 That's not the council. 1661 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,560 >> Yeah, I understand that. 1662 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,520 >> Um I do know that they were, you know, 1663 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,239 obviously looking costconscious as well. 1664 01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,640 Um and I I guess I would add one thing 1665 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,640 on to what Brad said about it being a 1666 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,960 liability 20 years from now. Actually 1667 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,760 any building that you build it's an 1668 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,520 asset today but tomorrow it is a 1669 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,440 liability and you don't need to wait 20 1670 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,920 years tomorrow it begins to be in a 1671 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,600 liability. 1672 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,159 I understand that. 1673 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,239 >> I think that uh starting off with this 1674 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,159 where we're going to establish the lease 1675 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,800 payment and like Nick was saying, then 1676 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,199 we can do a a factor of okay, here's a 5 1677 01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,800 million, here's a 10 million, here's a 1678 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,880 20 million. And I think those can 1679 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,000 actually be added on possibly easier 1680 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,120 after we establish the original 1681 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,560 lease amount. you know, as as the RFP is 1682 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,840 written, this is really a way to to re 1683 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,080 recommend a rent calculation 1684 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,679 methodology, you know, and and 1685 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:29,120 [clears throat] the related financial 1686 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,760 terms in the lease. So out of this we'll 1687 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,640 have a way to calculate rent. Um that 1688 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,760 includes the four specific concerns that 1689 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,480 the ad hoc committee um relayed to us. 1690 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,719 The four specific questions they relayed 1691 01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,679 to us as well as some additional things 1692 01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:48,480 that um you know that the consultant for 1693 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:50,080 example may bring forward as best 1694 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,560 practices. And and one thing one more 1695 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,320 thing that may be worth noting because 1696 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,400 we will have a new rent calculation 1697 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,920 methodology 1698 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,400 um that could be put into action as soon 1699 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,080 as the next iteration of the lease uh 1700 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,239 which is I believe the lease expires in 1701 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,640 December 31st 2027. So we're talking 1702 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,760 about a new lease in 2028. If this 1703 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,679 calculation truly is something that we 1704 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,440 are all h, you know, have contributed to 1705 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:17,280 and have faith in, this could be the 1706 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,920 basis for determining that that future 1707 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,320 uh near-term lease um before any of this 1708 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,280 um new investment is is uh realized. 1709 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,040 >> I'm going to say I'm in favor of this. 1710 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,280 >> All right, 1711 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280 >> just one other thing. Stace Stacy has 1712 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,000 over 20 years of into this project. So, 1713 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,000 I don't know, Stacy, you haven't talked 1714 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,360 yet, but is there anything you we've 1715 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,080 missed? 1716 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,440 >> I don't think so. I think you guys have 1717 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,440 hit on everything. It's it's really it's 1718 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,159 the next step of the step of the the 1719 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,159 process, and once we have this tool, I 1720 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:51,520 think it's a tool that we'll be able to 1721 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,750 use down the road. 1722 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,679 » Thank you. 1723 01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:01,040 >> So, we'll move forward then. 1724 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,920 is uh for your information 1725 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,520 in the project status report 1726 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,440 doing new old business. Linda, 1727 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,719 I just wanted to bring uh bring this to 1728 01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:19,600 the board in Welch Township. There is um 1729 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,640 a proposal for a 1300 acre solar farm. 1730 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,040 And because it is so big, it bypasses 1731 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,600 township their regulations because they 1732 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,800 do not allow solar farms. It bypasses 1733 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,920 the county and it goes directly to the 1734 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,960 state. So the company is called Adapture 1735 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,560 Renewables 1736 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,000 and it is 1737 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,239 the funding behind it comes from the 1738 01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:52,719 Kirkland Foundation which is part of the 1739 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:55,840 Kirkland family which does Legos creates 1740 01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,000 Legos. So it's Lego family. Uh they are 1741 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,840 known for when they come into a 1742 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,480 community that they become a partner 1743 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,280 with the community. So, it's still up in 1744 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,560 the air at the moment. The original land 1745 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,880 owner is Nick Reese of uh Reese Farms. 1746 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,480 And 1747 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:20,320 where it is at the moment, last I heard 1748 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,080 was that Nick was or Reese Farms was 1749 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,120 trying to get more land leased from 1750 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,800 local land owners. It is um it's a hot 1751 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,800 topic in Welch. There are many that 1752 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,480 don't want it. There are many that do 1753 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,159 want it. It's a [snorts] way to 1754 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:40,320 diversify your land and your income. Um, 1755 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,760 so that's where it is at the moment. 1756 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:44,640 >> Thank you. 1757 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,679 >> That formally been applied for with the 1758 01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:49,280 PUC. 1759 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,320 >> They expect to actually do the formal 1760 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,280 application to PUC in January of 27. 1761 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,480 Before that, you have to get on to a 1762 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:04,000 list called it's a miso miso. 1763 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,880 I cannot tell you exactly the details of 1764 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,280 exactly what that is. I have heard it's 1765 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,360 a queue that you get into. It's the 1766 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,920 first step you have to go to and that in 1767 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,280 2025 there were 1,600 applications in 1768 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,640 the queue. So it's it's not a fastmoving 1769 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,760 project but it is in the works. 1770 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,199 >> I'd heard about that too. 1771 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:32,640 >> Any other committee reports? 1772 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,560 If not, is there a motion to adjurnn? 1773 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,159 >> So moved. Second. 1774 01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:37,440 >> All in favor? 1775 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,719 >> I motion meeting it's adjourned and 1776 01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:49,672 we'll take five minutes. 1777 01:15:49,682 --> 01:15:51,702 [music]