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[8:04] Welcome to the Goodyear City Council
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Goodyear.
[10:03] » Like to call the regular meeting to
order for September 14th, 2026. Uh can I
[10:08] get a motion and a second to excuse
council member Beckles?
[10:12] Second.
[10:16] » I have a motion by Council Member
Campbell and a second by Council Member
[10:18] Gillis.
>> Okay. All in favor?
[10:21] » I.
>> Unanimous.
[10:25] All right. Great to go. Now, please join
me in the pledge of allegiance and
[10:29] invocation.
[10:33] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[10:38] republic for which it stands,
>> one nation under God, indivisible, with
[10:43] liberty and justice for all.
>> Almighty Father, I ask that you provide
[10:48] wisdom to all of those this council so
we may make wise decisions for our
[10:53] community. I also ask that you help heal
this nation which suffers from a lack of
[10:58] civility so that we can come together as
a nation and work towards a more civil
[11:02] society for the betterment of all.
Please protect our men and women in
[11:06] uniform here and overseas from injury
and provide those in the meeting safe
[11:10] passage home in your name. Amen.
>> Amen.
[11:22] Now is the time for the members of the
public who wish to address the city
[11:25] council on any non-aggenda items the
jurisdiction of Goodyear city council.
[11:29] We have any speaker cards?
>> Yes, mayor. I have one speaker.
[11:32] » Come on up.
>> Chris Mclofflin.
[11:37] » Sir, before you start, the council will
listen to comments and and take any of
[11:40] the following actions. Respond to
criticism. requested the staff
[11:44] investigate and report on the matter.
Request that the matter be scheduled on
[11:47] a future agenda. Uh each speaker is
limited to three minutes. There'll be a
[11:51] I guess a light somewhere over You got
it. All right. When you get to 30
[11:55] seconds, sir, you're on. Just tell us uh
whether you're a Goodyear res. You have
[11:59] to give an address.
>> Hi, my name is uh Goodyear evening mayor
[12:02] and council. My name is Chris McLaclin
and I am a Goodyear resident.
[12:05] » Okay.
>> I'm here to address Goodyear's use of
[12:08] automated license plate readers um and
flaw cameras. I have recently had a I
[12:14] recently had a very cordial conversation
with our police chief. I appreciate him
[12:18] taking the time and to hear my concerns
and explain the department's position. I
[12:23] respect that conversation, but
fundamentally we still disagree.
[12:27] I previously asked that flock cameras be
placed on council agenda for public
[12:31] discussion. That has not happened. I
asked that it be put on agend agenda.
[12:36] I went back through city records. I
found that funding of light of license
[12:40] plate readers in city budget goes back
to 2019. What I have not found is a
[12:44] dedicated public discussion where
residents were asked whether whether we
[12:48] wanted the surveillance system or
where's privacy and constitutional
[12:52] implications were openly debated.
Approving funding within a much larger
[12:57] city budget is not the same as public
debating government surveillance.
[13:02] My object my objection go also goes
beyond privacy that this raises a
[13:07] fundamental fourth amendment question.
Should the government be able to build
[13:10] and search a history of our movements
without a warrant? A license plate being
[13:14] visible to the public is not the same
thing as government continuously
[13:18] collecting those those observations.
Storing them in a database and making
[13:23] our movements searchable.
That distinction matters.
[13:28] In Carpenter, the Supreme Court
recognized that technology can transform
[13:31] individual pieces of public information
into an extraordinary detailed record of
[13:36] a person's movement and that the Fourth
Amendment cannot simply ignore that
[13:40] technological reality.
Flock and other ALPR systems give
[13:44] government capability that once we would
have required officers to physically
[13:48] follow someone, now it can be done
automatically at an enormous scale and
[13:53] potentially searched after the fact. The
fourth amendment exists to place limits
[13:57] on government surveillance. Technology
should not become a loophole around a
[14:01] warrant requirement and the potential
for misuse is real. Policies may
[14:06] restrict how these systems are used, but
they cannot eliminate their capacity for
[14:10] abuse. I understand why law enforcement
finds these cameras useful, but
[14:15] usefulness of law enforcement is not the
standard by which we measure
[14:19] constitutional rights. There has to be a
line for me. creating a searchable
[14:25] history of movements of people who are
not suspected of a crime and allowing
[14:29] government access to that history
without first going through a judge for
[14:32] a warrant crosses that line. So, I'm
asking the council to cancel contracts
[14:37] and end Goodyear's use of flot cameras.
If the city surveillance of this scope
[14:42] is necessary, make that case publicly,
put it on the agenda, let residents
[14:45] speak, debate the constitutional
implications in the open. That
[14:49] discussion should have been should have
happened before these cameras were
[14:52] deployed. cancel the contracts.
>> Thank you. Um, city attorney, city
[14:57] manager, I know you've already had the
discussion with the chief. Can you give
[15:00] him back and you mentioned some legal
issues in there? I know we have talked
[15:03] about this before. Can you draft
something and and make sure that
[15:06] gentleman gets it a response?
Okay, we're good.
[15:12] » All right. Thank you. Anything else?
>> No, mayor.
[15:16] » Okay. Thank you. All right. Will the
city clerk please read the consent
[15:19] agenda items one through five by title
only?
[15:24] Yes, mayor. Item one, approval of series
12 restaurant liquor license for Fogo de
[15:28] Chau Chudoscaria. Item two, approval of
budget amendments and related
[15:32] expenditure authority. Item three,
approval of intergovernmental agreements
[15:35] with city of Aendell West Valley sex
trafficking task force. Item four,
[15:39] approval of the Drug Enforcement Agency
equitable sharing agreement and annual
[15:42] certification affidavit. In item five,
adopt resolution number 2026 2539
[15:49] authorizing the city manager and/or
their designate to execute a license
[15:52] agreement with the Vicental LLC, a
Florida limited liability company, and
[15:57] to enter into separate agreements for
inind exchanges which may include fiber
[16:00] andor conduit.
>> Thank you. Any speaker cards?
[16:03] » No, mayor.
>> Okay. Thank you. Anybody in the audience
[16:05] like to speak on the issue? Anybody want
to take anything off the agenda?
[16:11] Can I get a motion? Remember what you
got to say uh visually here now since we
[16:15] don't have the thing in front. We got a
motion.
[16:17] » Second.
>> Did you get that? We got the motion in
[16:20] the second.
>> I have a motion by council member Kano
[16:22] and a second by council member Campbell.
>> Correct. Thank you. All in favor?
[16:27] » I. Any opposed?
Eyes have it. Thank you.
[16:33] All right. Let's see. Um we have two
Oops. We haven't got to the work session
[16:37] yet.
[16:44] That's it, right? Going right to the
work session. All right. For the
[16:48] discussion only, no action can be taken.
We have two work session items tonight.
[16:52] I would like to remind council that
staff will be pausing every so often to
[16:56] answer any questions. First item is the
update on the fire resource management
[17:00] building. Uh could you go ahead and
please uh introduce yourself for the
[17:04] audience?
>> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Paul
[17:08] Louise, Fire Chief, and with me tonight
is uh Tim Wayne, Deputy Fire Chief. So,
[17:13] tonight we'll be taking you through um
an overview of the Fire Resource
[17:17] Management Building. We'll also talk
about the design of the new building,
[17:23] plans for construction, and then we'll
both be available for any questions
[17:27] afterwards.
Currently staff operate out of fire old
[17:33] fire station 181 which is located at
West Yuma Road in Lichfield Road just
[17:40] west of that intersection and noted here
on the map.
[17:45] Since 1982, Fire Resource Management has
operated out of that small section of
[17:50] that fire station. In 2016, firefighters
were actually moved out of that station
[17:54] and they colllocated with fire station
184 crew after we discovered some
[18:00] environmental concerns within the
building.
[18:03] And then since 2017, resource management
has expanded into the entire old 181
[18:09] building. Those environmental concerns
have been rectified and the building has
[18:15] been deemed safe since that time. In May
of 2021,
[18:20] we actually opened new fire station 181
at 143rd A in Vanurren Street. And then
[18:28] 2023, a geo bond uh which included a
resource management building was issued
[18:34] um by the voters.
Here's some pictures that we'll take you
[18:38] through. Um so this is the old fire
station 181. Uh, as noted on the map,
[18:44] this has four apparatus bays, which is
very nice from a storing equipment
[18:50] standpoint. But as you see, uh, this
building is is old. Um, we are
[18:56] maximizing our storage and maximizing
our space, any place that we can find a
[19:02] spot to store equipment, we are doing
that currently. In the apparatus bays,
[19:07] it is very tight. apparatus is
bumperto-bumper
[19:11] and uh the rear apparatus are right up
against the garage doors. So, not a lot
[19:16] of space there.
Um we are using as I stated earlier
[19:21] every interior space that we can find.
This is some of our emergency medical
[19:26] service equipment uh storage throughout
the building. It has to be in an air
[19:31] cooled or airond conditioned
environment. Um, so these are actually
[19:36] the old dorm rooms and you can see from
the lockers there uh that used to be for
[19:41] the personnel. That's where equipment is
now stored.
[19:46] Uh, further interior storage. This is uh
some of the personal protective
[19:50] equipment and the storage there on the
bins and the racks. You can see that
[19:54] there. And then we also have our air
management room which is a clean room.
[19:59] Staff does a great job of keeping
contaminants out of that room. But as
[20:03] you can see, uh all of these rooms have
been modified uh for their current day
[20:08] use.
Uh the new building that we are
[20:13] proposing, uh you can see the map here.
Um and that would be located uh just
[20:20] west of the future solid or hazardous
waste uh building that public works is
[20:27] uh considering. So now I'll turn that
presentation over to Chief Wayne.
[20:34] Good [clears throat] evening, Mayor
Council. Tim Wayne, w Chief.
[20:39] Um, as you could see, this project, the
CIP 315, sits directly right next to the
[20:45] public works facility. Um, this is going
to be MC85 just south. Uh, and then what
[20:52] you see is Broadway. On the south side
of the the structure, we'll see SR30 run
[20:57] through there. So, just give me an idea
where that sits within the city.
[21:00] [snorts]
[21:04] Uh so in 2023 the voters approved
through a general obligation bond a
[21:09] resource management as part of that uh
that bond went along with the training
[21:13] center. Um that was the current project
is sits at 31,140,000.
[21:20] Um it's to note the design is currently
in design and we're working through that
[21:26] process. the construction phase has been
moved out of the 5-year CIP.
[21:31] So, we have allotted uh 1.76 approved in
FY26 for design and the construction
[21:38] aspect of that would be 26 million. Um
furniture, fixtures and equipment sits
[21:44] at around 3.36 with 965,000 be FFNE and
the balance of that would go to IT cost
[21:52] at $2.4 million.
Currently, we're at 60% design. Uh we've
[21:59] received comments back from development
services and working through those the
[22:03] comments uh with our planning team.
Of note, the uh solid weight solid waste
[22:10] facility just to the east that you saw
previous slide um is a is going to
[22:15] benefit from this project and the
off-site improvements. approximately
[22:18] $1.73 million of off-site improvements
will benefit the public waist solid
[22:24] waste facility. Um because they're ahead
of us, we're going to transfer some of
[22:28] that money and uh so that piece of the
infrastructure can be completed.
[22:34] Uh we are anticipating design to be
complete in 2027 in January.
[22:41] So, the overall product description or
project description, we're three 30,000
[22:46] square feet working facility sitting on
10.1 acres. Um, this [snorts] is going
[22:53] to combine a lot of things throughout
the fire department so we can all come
[22:57] under one roof. Um, that'll include
office space, a 40 seat classroom, PPE,
[23:03] storage, and all the other things that
we're struggling with currently. Um, we
[23:07] did tour multiple partner sites to learn
how best to approach this project. We
[23:11] got some great information from our
partners in Surprise and Glendale and uh
[23:15] even traveled out to Gilbert to see
their facility as well.
[23:19] [snorts] Well, this is just not another
warehouse. This combines a lot of
[23:22] services under one roof and promotes uh
a lot of efficiencies and uh will
[23:28] address a lot of department needs.
So, kind of zooming out a little bit of
[23:33] what that structure looks like. This is
the overall footprint. I'm going to walk
[23:36] you through um in a little greater
detail so you have a better idea of some
[23:40] of the aspects and the components that
we're planning to provide to the
[23:45] structure.
[snorts]
[23:47] So, we're super excited about this. Um
as you come in through the front door
[23:51] lobby, you uh mainly go into a 40 seat
classroom that has a little kitchenet
[23:57] next to it. Um, this this classroom is
set up to be somewhat of a dirty
[24:01] classroom, meaning that uh we can do
airpack training in there and all other
[24:06] st sorts of training. So, um it gives us
the ability to do quick clean and solid
[24:11] services. So, we can turn that over and
make it safe again. But has some
[24:15] flexibility. Um it's central location
throughout the city I think is a benefit
[24:19] to the city um as a resource. um further
as you move through the the building um
[24:24] [snorts] you see fitness center and then
we've also included kind of what's a new
[24:29] concept and that's that recharge room uh
slashreovery room where it's a sauna red
[24:34] light therapy and cold plunge together
those things are proven to be really
[24:38] beneficial for for improvement of sleep
and then rest and recovery.
[24:45] So, as we moved through the building a
little bit in this in the center, we
[24:48] have two air conditioned bays. Um,
imagine it's 120 degrees and you need to
[24:53] swap out into a new truck. Typically,
that happens either in the bays or in a
[24:57] parking lot somewhere, a fleet. Um, now
with this facility, we can drive those
[25:02] uh apparatus going out of service for
maintenance or repair and swap out into
[25:07] a a new apparatus in an air conditioned
setting. In addition to that, so as as
[25:13] big the units will roll through there,
you have access to uh airfill, you have
[25:18] access to decontamination. And the cool
part is when when we put install new
[25:22] equipment onto these vehicles um like
we're going to do in the coming months
[25:26] with new air packs, all the trucks can
roll through here, we can pull the old
[25:31] equipment out, insert the new equipment
on, and then they're back in service.
[25:35] So, it really in increases efficiency
and uh an opportunity to keep our
[25:41] firefighters out of the elements.
Sorry, can you go back real quick?
[25:49] » So, during design, because of these
drive-through apparatus days, uh the
[25:54] group thought it'd be important that we
included a uh ability to host a mechanic
[25:58] in this building. Um, while there's not
one funded currently, we we have in
[26:03] design a uh a mechanic station, if you
will, office supplies, so that
[26:09] individual could do maintenance and
light light um repairs.
[26:17] Uh going to the right of that, there's
13 stalls currently. You saw in in the
[26:21] previous slides, all that equipment is
jammed into the apparatus bay currently.
[26:26] And then there's quite a bit of
equipment that sits outside. So 13 is a
[26:30] hefty number. It's not only meets our
needs currently, but it will for
[26:34] considerable amount of time. Um before
you move off, it's important to note
[26:39] that um we thought about scalability in
the future and ensuring that this
[26:45] building is capable of expanding if
necessary at the time where where the
[26:48] need arises.
[26:52] So a little review of where we're at,
where we came from. Core Construction
[26:56] was selected as the Seymar um designed
to be completed in 27. Uh we'll do
[27:01] permits, submit permits and get
approvals. That takes a couple months or
[27:05] so. Um by spring of 27,
we would like to begin construction in
[27:10] July of 27. That construction duration
is approximately 13 months with 12 of it
[27:16] being construction and then one month
for FFN and move in.
[27:22] So tonight we're asking
[27:32] process.
[27:43] » Okay, thank you. Any questions? Go
ahead, Vicki.
[27:48] » So completion date
completion date would be about 13
[27:52] months. Uh so July of 2027. So figure
July or August of 28.
[27:58] » 28.
>> Yeah.
[28:00] » Okay.
>> Anybody else? Oh, go ahead. Laura,
[28:06] » so at the beginning you said that this
was outside of the five-year CIP. So it
[28:11] it's not on the plan.
>> And so what you're asking for
[28:14] essentially is will we fund it
>> through the normal budget process? the
[28:18] budget process.
>> Yes.
[28:20] » Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.
[28:23] » Anything else? Go ahead, Vice Mayor.
>> Go back here.
[28:27] » I guess piggyback on her question. So,
you want to move it up from the fiveyear
[28:31] to Sorry, back to the dates here to now.
So, right now, right,
[28:38] » it would be in fiscal year 28. So, it
would come through the normal budget
[28:41] cycle process. So, we'd start collecting
that information November internally and
[28:47] then um be internally reviewed by the
city manager's office and then presented
[28:51] to you guys typically in April uh during
the normal budget process.
[28:55] » And you're saying we can move it up
because of that bond that we have.
[28:59] That's where that
>> So, we're asking for the funding to be
[29:02] used. Yes. Because it was identified in
the in the bond.
[29:04] » Okay. That's why we're able to to bring
it up because that bond approved got
[29:07] approved. Okay. And then I just had some
questions here now as well. Um so all
[29:14] the stuff that's going to go in there is
all sitting in that one station now.
[29:19] » Yeah. And as Chief Wayne stated, um it
allows for expansion for we're thinking
[29:25] 30 to 40 maybe 50 years from now. Um the
other piece is a lot of our equipment is
[29:32] still outside. So uh things that we
cannot fit inside have to go outside.
[29:37] This allows everything to go under one
roof as Chief Wayne stated.
[29:40] » Okay. And it's all air the whole
everything both sides everything's air
[29:43] conditioned.
>> Correct.
[29:44] » The storage of everything. Apparatus.
>> The apparatus bay would be the only one
[29:47] that that wouldn't the where they park
the drive bays where Yeah. would be.
[29:52] » So it's a covered parking.
>> It's covered. Yes. Inside.
[29:55] » Okay. And then what happens to the old
building?
[30:00] » Good question. I think that's something
that uh certainly a city manager's
[30:04] office CIP would consider uh for future
use.
[30:08] » Okay. So it goes back to
maybe for fire maybe further use.
[30:12] » It is city owned.
>> Yeah.
[30:14] » Y okay.
>> Um and then I'm sure you guys are
[30:19] already all over this. So
all it has storage there right now and
[30:24] I'm sure does does our warehousing does
it be do we store anything over there
[30:28] right now? Is there room over there
right now? We don't
[30:30] » is the fire keeps their own storage.
>> Correct.
[30:33] » Okay.
And then is there any I know I'm glad we
[30:36] have the mechanic. I think that's smart.
Is there any way while we're doing this?
[30:40] Seems it's pretty comprehensive, but if
there anything that we can get while
[30:43] we're building that that we can also
build. I don't know. I'm thinking like
[30:46] the last time we had that area. I'm
thinking the hazardous waste lay down
[30:50] area. some other little things that
maybe we can if we can add on there
[30:53] while we're building something for
economy to scale potentially or
[30:58] something that the the fleet needs. I
don't know. I'm trying to think of other
[31:02] ways to maximize what we already have
going on there. So, we get a twofer out
[31:06] of it. I think that'd be that'd be
great. But, I like the mechanic being
[31:09] there. I think that's smart. Um
especially they can do some work and
[31:13] they because the 303 is going to be
right. You're going to go can we pass
[31:16] underneath that 303 in the future? the
30.
[31:20] » SR 30. SR30. I apologize. SR30.
>> Yeah. Good. Well, yeah, it's going to be
[31:27] uh right next to that location. It'll be
coming through uh next to the resource
[31:31] center and the solid waste facility.
Right. Right adjacent to it.
[31:35] » Okay. And then
>> what how many other fire fire
[31:39] departments have a cold plunge and a red
light therapy? It's becoming certainly
[31:43] more popular and I think um some are
retrofitting into their current
[31:48] locations, but others I think taking
opportunities like we are with new
[31:53] construction to try to implement those
programs.
[31:57] » Okay. And that's just for uh not just
for maybe it needs some kind of therapy
[32:02] like
>> it's typically for recovery. So uh post
[32:05] shift not uh there's not a lot of
research or science that supports on
[32:09] shift for that. So it's mostly post
shift recovery.
[32:13] » Okay. So it' be on their on their time.
Is that what you're saying? Is that
[32:18] you're what you're trying to get at?
>> Yes. Okay.
[32:20] » Okay. Yeah. There's it's unique. That's
I feel like it's unique. I'm not a
[32:24] expert in fire fire uh new fire
buildings, but I'm just curious. And
[32:30] then but no, I think it definitely needs
to be done. I think this the training
[32:33] will be really great for you guys, too.
Um how many people can fit in there? You
[32:37] said 40 people. 40. We would have 40
seats. Yeah. Which is amazing for us
[32:42] because we don't have a location like
that
[32:44] » to fit that many personnel. And as Chief
Wayne stated, if you're going to do
[32:49] dirty training, you know, with air
packs, radios, other types of new
[32:54] equipment that we're trying to
implement,
[32:56] » um this would be kind of a perfect
location for them. And then it would be
[33:00] easily deconed, uh so that it could
still remain clean afterwards. Yes.
[33:06] Because you used to do training in that
where where you store everything now,
[33:10] right? Correct. I remember when I did my
Citizens Academy, whatever it was called
[33:14] at that point that
>> Yeah. Very small room.
[33:15] » Yeah. I remember touring it at that when
it was operational.
[33:18] » Yeah.
>> Yep.
[33:19] » And it was older back then.
>> Yeah.
[33:21] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[33:22] » With the 911 call center and everything
else. So Okay. Okay. No, I think it'll
[33:27] definitely I mean obviously it'll help
out. So I'm glad we can I'm glad it's
[33:31] funded appropriately and I think it'll
get a lot out of it. But like I said, if
[33:35] we can I know you've already done a lot
60% of the design, but if there's
[33:38] anything else we can add, attach things
like that that'll help other city
[33:42] functions or I know you're building out
for long term 40 50 years, but if
[33:45] there's a another section we can add on
there while we're building it that can
[33:50] help us in other pinch of department
that we have going on that might be
[33:54] helpful helpful, whatever that looks
like. So, all right. Well, thank you. I
[33:58] appreciate it.
>> Did you have something?
[34:02] » Yeah. Uh
>> well,
[34:05] » so
kind of piggybacking off of Councilwoman
[34:10] Kano, this
not quite fully funded through the
[34:15] budget process yet. This is something
that is
[34:20] finishing up in the planning phase and
we should expect to be seen brought
[34:25] forward when we begin those budget uh
discussions. I don't know if it's coming
[34:29] up at our retreat next month or over the
coming months. This is just something to
[34:35] that may be added to our five-year CIP.
Is that correct?
[34:40] » Yes, sir. That's what we would propose
to do. And I think there's as the design
[34:44] has progressed, the timing of when the
facility was going to be ready to move
[34:47] to construction was something we weren't
sure about and I think that's why it
[34:50] wasn't included in the CIP. So, as those
details have been finalized, that's what
[34:54] we're proposing is that we bring it
forward to you in this in the retreat
[34:57] and then the spring in the budget
process to be included in the 28 budget.
[35:01] » Okay. Design makes sense to me. I look
forward to the budget discussions.
[35:08] » Chief,
wait a minute. Oh, sorry. Chief, we've
[35:13] talked about this for over 15 years. I
had had this conversation when I was on
[35:18] the public safety committee when we
recommended that we try to bring police
[35:22] and fire under one roof for each
department when we had people scattered
[35:28] all over Goodyear and we also had the
recommendation for the ambulances and
[35:33] several things that we're just now
seeing come to pass. I know that um this
[35:38] building has been a problem for us for
many many years. I remember it flooding
[35:43] in the kitchen. I remember the mold. I
remember the smell. And I know uh I was
[35:49] so grateful when we were able to move
your crews out of that building, but we
[35:53] knew we still had the building and we
were going to use it as best we could.
[35:57] So, I'm glad to know you've mitigated a
lot of the issues that we had. And I
[36:02] think it's a wonderful um time for
Goodyear to put everything together for
[36:07] fire. And I I don't necessarily want
more departments put in that building
[36:13] because fire is kind of exclusive to
themselves and I don't mean it any other
[36:19] way than they keep track of everything
and they have everything right there and
[36:24] um it's just really important and it
saves time, it saves money and it really
[36:30] saves lives because you're training,
you're doing all of the stuff. Um, I do
[36:34] want to know, are you planning on shade
structure, either the sailcloth or
[36:40] something over where those truck the bay
where the trucks are because even
[36:43] backing them in there and letting them
sit there, they're just going to bake.
[36:47] » We are so that that piece I didn't show
the overall footprint on the back side
[36:52] of the the facility there is covered
parking um probably 12 spots or so.
[36:57] » Good. Now, do you have an office in that
building? Is are we going to have
[37:00] actually fire staff on duty there? No
fire staff will be on duty. This this
[37:04] will all be uh support personnel. So
>> that's what I meant. I'm sorry.
[37:08] » The office space has uh seating up to
eight spots. So
[37:12] » Okay. Well, I'm excited. I can't wait to
see it. I'll come back and see it when
[37:16] it's done because y'all certainly
deserve it. It's it's just going to be a
[37:20] wonderful thing for our fire department.
[37:25] » Um I'm kind of piggybacking on Brandon's
question. I have a couple of questions
[37:28] actually. The red light therapy and the
cold plunge. Does this hap does this
[37:33] help at all? Especially the cold plunge.
You're talking about them doing this
[37:36] after they've been on shift, been at a
fire, done whatever because I'm big on
[37:40] the cancer issues with firefighters.
Does this help at all eliminate some of
[37:45] that or help with some of that, you
know, or do we not know the findings of
[37:50] that at this point?
>> I don't I think the research is still
[37:53] pretty new. Um from a cool down
perspective on shift uh what the science
[37:59] does show is some type of immersion just
of their forearms actually to cool them
[38:05] down but this uh is more inclusive of
their total body wellness. Okay.
[38:12] » Not specifically after one or a certain
disease process. So
[38:16] » So no chemicals. We have not caught
gotten to that point where we know that
[38:20] it helps take care of that. No, we we've
seen some uh evidence with the saunas
[38:25] that that can be very very beneficial.
Open up and clean the pores out. Um but
[38:30] that that I think still is being tested.
>> And there are saunas in here as well.
[38:34] » Yes.
>> Okay. Um the that's part of the red
[38:37] light therapy. Okay. All right. Um, and
so what does what does this cost for
[38:44] that particular that the that particular
red light therapy sauna that you know
[38:50] that whole thing? What does that cost
for that room? Do you know?
[38:54] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. I Yeah, good point. I think
[38:59] anywhere probably between 20 25,000 for
just for the equipment.
[39:05] » Can I Can I finish? So, so what we're
saying is is that we're talking $20,000
[39:12] in for the people that are listening to
this in how much does a fire station
[39:16] cost now? $18 million roughly.
>> Roughly.
[39:18] » Roughly.
>> It's amazing we're up to that amount,
[39:21] but that's understandable. So, $20,000
really isn't a lot when we're talking
[39:26] about how much the final cost of the
fire station is going to be to have the
[39:29] welfare of the firefighters. Correct.
Correct. That's what we're talking. Yep.
[39:32] » That's what I wanted people to hear out
I think it's a wonderful idea and I
[39:35] think this is going to be a great
station station. Thank you very much.
[39:40] » Well, I also wanted to piggyback on uh
comments that coun or vice mayor Hampton
[39:45] made um regarding the construction and
then going on expanding into public
[39:51] works. I mean the bond is for public
safety. I don't think we have any bond
[39:55] for the public works facility do we?
>> Okay. And if we are if we are
[40:02] contemplating that as an option, we
would discuss that at the budget
[40:06] hearing.
>> That's right. Yes. I I think uh for the
[40:10] solid waste facility, I think there is
some enterprise funding for that, but I
[40:14] do need to check on those and we'll be
able to bring that back to you as part
[40:16] of the budget process.
>> All right. Because I thinking funding
[40:20] sources are separate.
>> Yeah, it wouldn't be a a geo bond like
[40:23] we're talking about for the fire
station. It' be a different funding
[40:25] stream.
>> All right. Thank you.
[40:27] » Do you have something to add? just piggy
back in on that then. Yeah, that's why I
[40:31] brought it up is just if if there is an
option opportunity that we can help out
[40:36] another department while we're there,
then while we are recycled up, ready to
[40:39] go with this construction company that
there might be a benefit, but thank you.
[40:43] » Right. To look at them together as one
project potentially of how you can try
[40:47] to maximize the space.
>> We can certainly look at that.
[40:50] » Great discussion. You know, when you
bring that back, we have a five-year um
[40:53] CIP already funded. So, when you come
back to us, um either we're gonna have
[40:58] some extra cash that we can throw into
that five-year CIP or we got to move
[41:02] some things around inside that I mean
that's the mechanics when it comes to
[41:06] budget time to get this funded. But I
think if you got the design out there
[41:09] that doesn't make any sense to let it
sit around and not build a thing. So, we
[41:12] need to find the way to make that at
least in my humble opinion make that
[41:16] happen. So, okay. Thank Thank you. All
right. Next up, let's see. uh receive a
[41:22] strategic plan update on efforts to
increase the use of nonportable water
[41:28] sources for park irrigation.
If you would please introduce yourselves
[41:35] for the public that's watching.
>> Well, good evening mayor and council.
[41:39] I'm Rachel Garcia, deputy city manager.
Today, we're going to be receiving an
[41:43] update on the city's strategic plan
action item related to increasing the
[41:48] use of non-pottable water for park
irrigation. And I'm pleased to welcome
[41:53] David Lopez, our new parks and
recreation director, who be who will be
[41:58] presenting today with Barb Chapel, our
water services director. David and Barb
[42:03] are going to walk us through the current
non-potable water uses, potential
[42:08] opportunities for expansion, and the key
considerations involved, including water
[42:12] availability, infrastructure needs, and
costs. There is no immediate fiscal
[42:17] impact or funding request associated
with today's discussion. Today is an
[42:22] opportunity for council to receive
information and provide direction to
[42:25] staff on opportunities that warrant
further evaluation. As those
[42:30] opportunities are evaluated, the staff
will develop more detailed information
[42:34] on potential project costs and funding
needs. And then the hope is that this
[42:39] information may be brought forward
through the normal budget process and
[42:43] capital improvement program process as
specific projects are considered. Um so
[42:48] we hope to come back through that budget
process with more information after
[42:52] today. Um with that, I will turn it over
to David and Barb. Thank you.
[42:59] Good evening, mayor and members of
council. David Lopez, director of parks
[43:02] and recreation. A quick overview of
tonight's agenda. We're going to go
[43:06] through this item as a strategic plan
goal of safe and vibrant community.
[43:11] We're also going to look at how parks
and recreation currently utilizes
[43:14] alternative water sources within our
parks and trail system. We're going to
[43:18] look at expanding into some future
opportunities to make our system more
[43:21] sustainable. Uh we're going to also be
fully transparent about some challenges
[43:26] and how we can overcome those. We'll
also be comparing costs between the
[43:30] various water providers as well as
getting your feedback on a sustainable
[43:34] path forward.
So, uh you can suffer me. I'm going to
[43:39] read verbatim our strategic plan update
uh of increasing city non-pottable water
[43:44] uses. develop strategies to transition
parks and recreation department's water
[43:48] usage to non-pottable sources where
possible. Um there's a ton that goes
[43:54] into unpacking this and we've learned a
ton of lessons for what we've already
[43:57] observed in utilizing it within our
current system. But I am going to pass
[44:01] the uh mic and keyboard over to my
colleague who can also who will be
[44:06] laying the foundation for tonight's
presentation in terms of uh some
[44:10] definitions that we'll be using.
Thank you. I'm Barb Chapel, water
[44:17] services director.
>> Is it not on?
[44:19] » Is it on?
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you.
[44:22] » So, um, just kind of for reference as
we're speaking this evening and David's
[44:28] going to do the most uh majority of this
presentation, I wanted to go over some
[44:32] terms that we use and we talk about um
portable water. I just want to make that
[44:38] clear. that is our drinking water that's
within the distribution system that's
[44:43] protected and that portable water could
be from the city as the service
[44:47] provider. We have um EPCOR, we have
Liberty services. It's all portable when
[44:53] it's in the distribution system. That is
the drinking water supply. There are
[44:57] non-potable um supplies.
Those are ones that were not man for
[45:02] human consumption, but they're perfectly
safe for things like irrigation and
[45:08] other uses. And in that nonpotable kind
of bucket, we have a few options. We
[45:14] have reclaimed water. That is water that
was once waste water collected from our
[45:20] has been used. It's been collected and
treated through a water reclamation
[45:26] facility and is safe for the
environment. So that that is um a type
[45:31] of non-potable that is at our disposal.
We also have um irrigation districts
[45:36] within our limits where we sit on some
historical
[45:42] irrigation uh lands that were once
agriculture and there's resources tied
[45:48] to those lands. Um, we have remediated
water. And I just for clarification, the
[45:55] difference between remediated and
reclaimed water is remediated water is
[46:00] groundwater that had a contaminant like
one of the super fund sites. So, we have
[46:05] a PGA North and PGA South are two of our
Phoenix Goodyear airport super fund
[46:11] sites. So, they remove water and treat
it for the contaminant of concern and it
[46:17] can be reused. So, so that's when we say
remediated water or we talk about the
[46:23] super fund um providers, we're talking
about that supply, not not reclaimed
[46:29] water that was once wastewater.
Just wanted to make that distinction. Um
[46:34] and so, um again, as I mentioned, we
have several providers. The city of
[46:38] Goodyear primarily south of I10. We have
the Phoenix Goodyear airport south super
[46:44] fun site. Those are our partners with
Goodyear Tire and Rubber. Um we have the
[46:50] Aendale School District owns and
operates an irrigation well that is at
[46:55] our dis that we we have some agreements
with them. We have um our partners in
[47:00] Estraa.
They have the reclaimed system that runs
[47:05] the southern part of the city and so
they are a provider for those areas. In
[47:11] the south, we have the Roosevelt
Irrigation District, which is one of our
[47:16] um districts that we're we have lands
in. And um Liberty Utilities, I crossed
[47:22] over that one. Sorry. But Liberty
Utilities is another one of our
[47:24] providers. And they have both um
reclaimed and portable supplies just
[47:29] like the city of Goodyear does. Um and I
don't think you have any parks in EPCO
[47:34] yet. Maybe never. I don't know if
they're in the plans, but
[47:40] Thank you, Barb.
>> Okay, so um we want to talk about what
[47:45] success could look like in this plan's
implementation. So, we're going to
[47:49] triage those opportunities for
non-pottable sources within our system.
[47:54] We'll also need to coordinate with those
respective water providers to ensure
[47:57] that uh it's feasible with their
infrastructure. And then we're going to
[48:01] look at cost uh and the reliability, the
availability of each source. and then
[48:08] get some of your feedback on phase
implementation to include in future pro
[48:11] park projects u that'll be coming in the
next few months as well as some
[48:16] operational opportunities to be
considered within the annual budget
[48:20] process.
So here's a quick snapshot of our park
[48:24] system with our four community parks. As
a reminder, community parks are those
[48:27] that are 30 plus acres. Uh they're
packed with amenities such as ball
[48:31] fields and maybe splash pads and
playgrounds. Your neighborhood parks are
[48:35] smaller. We've got 11 of those within
our system, but there's a lot of water
[48:38] demands for some of those green spaces.
Specialty parks such as uh the GSQ Plaza
[48:45] and even the dog parks, we've got six of
those. And linear parks like Bullard
[48:49] Wash and the extension project that's
underway now.
[48:53] So when we talk about uh our current
water resources, we just wanted to
[48:58] provide some framework of what we're
already using and also we want to uh use
[49:03] these as case studies for how we can
sustainably move forward. We've got a
[49:07] lot of data so we can make some informed
decisions. So here are the existing
[49:12] alternative water locations and we'll go
into detail for each of these sites
[49:16] momentarily but we have Foothills
Community Park, Lomolinda Rio, the Reds
[49:20] and Guardians development complexes as
well as Bullard Wash Park 2.
[49:26] So for Foothills Community Park, we're
looking at about a 20 acre park that is
[49:30] rich with athletic fields. It's got a
playground, but uh we have a heavy
[49:34] reliance upon water for for this park's
health and safety. And that water
[49:39] provider is Estraa non-pottable.
[49:44] Next we have Lind Linda Park which is
located in historic Goodyear. It's about
[49:47] 5 acres. It's one of those neighborhood
parks that I had mentioned previously.
[49:50] Again, ton of green space and this one
relies on uh Aendale School District
[49:55] wellwater.
Rio Po Park is about 14 acres. This park
[50:01] does have a water feature as well as an
irrigation pond that we use to uh boost
[50:06] into and then uh pump out into the
irrigation distribution. This is on
[50:11] utilities uh for this utility source is
uh Liberty non-pottable
[50:18] for the Reds and Guardians development
complexes. uh this is a part of the
[50:22] overall uh ballpark footprint and this
uses a portfolio of three sources of
[50:28] water namely PGA south remediated water
city of goodyear potable as well as
[50:32] reclaimed I would say 90 to 95% of this
is on the remediated water supply but we
[50:37] have to have uh the other two sources as
a contingency
[50:43] for Bullard Wash Park phase 2 it's about
31 acres it's mostly used as a linear
[50:49] park system for for trails hiking bike,
but there's a ton of green space within
[50:53] the system that has to be uh kept
healthy and alive. This one is on
[50:58] Liberty Utilities non-potable.
So, right now with our existing acreage,
[51:03] uh our non-pottable uh irrigation
acreage is about 27%. As our system
[51:09] expands and grows and we consider some
opportunities, we think we can get it
[51:13] reasonably up to about 75% of of our uh
irrigated acreage on a non-pottable or
[51:19] alternative water source.
Some current challenges that we're
[51:24] working through are reliability,
availability, and cost. And I'll go into
[51:28] definition of each of these, but these
are important to consider as we look at
[51:31] these opportunities.
So for reliability we have to look at uh
[51:37] with some of our existing sources
disruptions due to inability inability
[51:41] to meet quality requirements especially
when it comes to the reclaimed water and
[51:46] uh treating that those saline levels
being high have adverse effects on our
[51:50] uh turf and soil and also in the event
that they're not able to meet our water
[51:56] quality standards. There's disruption in
service and and that they can't uh
[52:00] distribute water to us. And so we have
to find alternative we we got to have
[52:05] the alternative sources available and on
hand should that occur.
[52:12] Also availability. So when we look at um
you know our complete park system we
[52:17] have to look at those adjacent water
sources where they're distributing to as
[52:23] well as some infrastructure and
containment. So when it comes to
[52:28] irrigation water for instance, we have
to have some containment whether it be
[52:33] groundwater storage, elevated storage or
a pond system because you're boosting
[52:37] out of the reservoir into the holding
tank and then you've got to have enough
[52:41] PSI to distribute this water effectively
through your irrigation system.
[52:48] And with cost, we have to look at the
ongoing cost of potable water. We know
[52:52] this is probably our most expensive
source and also we want to ensure we
[52:55] divert it back to the residents for
human consumption but also there's a
[52:59] associated cost uh increase or at least
onetime increase for some of these
[53:03] alternative sources because you have to
build that infrastructure with each of
[53:07] these projects.
So some future opportunities that we've
[53:12] identified uh working with the RIID uh
water providers for some adjacent sites.
[53:18] Again, I'll go into more details
momentarily, but we also see some uh
[53:22] upside and opportunity with increasing
our our capacity and our production for
[53:28] Goodyear non-pottable water in the
future and also extending what we're
[53:32] currently using for the PJ South
remediated water.
[53:37] So again, here's a quick snapshot of our
park system and uh those parks that are
[53:42] on those alternative sources that we see
this opportunity
[53:47] and some a bit of details about each of
these. So with Goodyear Community Park,
[53:51] it's occuring on Liberty Pottable Water.
Uh I apologize for discrepancy that may
[53:55] be in your packets. We had this marked
earlier as Goodyear water supply, but
[53:59] this is actually on Liberty Pottable.
[clears throat]
[54:01] And um there's with the cost of Liberty
potable um or even non-pottable versus
[54:08] RIID, there's not a huge savings, but
there is some savings to be realized.
[54:11] So, we would probably technically need
to to check the uh lower operational
[54:15] costs on this one. There's a one-time
cost for um for the pipelines for
[54:19] distribution, but we think those ongoing
costs will be will be cheaper for uh
[54:24] Goodyear recreation campus phases one
and two. phase one. We would love to
[54:28] retrofit and we're looking for
opportunities to build a sustainable
[54:32] path forward for water usage at the at
phase two which is actually coming
[54:37] before you all for an update uh next
month and we'll be able to dive into
[54:42] more of those details in terms of costs
and opportunities
[54:47] with Rio Po Park. It's on Liberty
Utilities non-pottable. We see this
[54:52] although it's non-pottable there is a
somewhat of an issue when it comes to
[54:56] the reliability of that water for
instance if it's not ready if we don't
[55:00] have the quantities that we need for
distribution because it doesn't meet the
[55:03] quality standards um then it's just out
of service and you know ultimately the
[55:08] park system could suffer because of that
limitation that could be short up again
[55:13] on a case-byase basis we want to
consider all options before us so
[55:17] Bullard Wash park uh two is currently on
Liberty Utilities non-p potable RID is
[55:24] an adjacent water source and we see this
as a sustainable sustainable path
[55:28] forward as well. Uh although same thing
with the cost considerations on that
[55:32] because it is really cheap source with
Liberty non-pottable even versus the RI
[55:38] with Rosco Dog Park. Uh this is a site
that we have earmarked as a possible
[55:42] customer for Goodyear non-pottable water
system. As that systems expands it's
[55:46] it's really close to the existing
facility. And last but not least,
[55:50] Goodyear ballpark. Uh we would love to
expand our utilization of remediated
[55:56] water to also provide service to the
ballpark
[56:01] and this would be substantially cheaper.
So with cost comparisons by supplier, we
[56:07] have a quick illustration and I I've
touched on these already a bit earlier,
[56:11] but uh I'll just give you all time to
sort of compare some of these costs. I
[56:16] won't go through each one of them, but
uh you can see that ultimately potable
[56:20] water is substantially more expensive
than some of these alter all of these
[56:24] alternative sources.
[56:28] » Okay. So for next steps, we want again
we want to prioritize those
[56:32] opportunities as they come up in the uh
those uh that five-year CIP uh park
[56:39] project update. We've got one coming up
next month with GRC phase two. Again, we
[56:44] if we identify the opportunity, the next
step is to to coordinate with our water
[56:47] partner to ensure that all of our uh
systems are aligned and the timing is
[56:52] right for uh for their benefit as well.
Uh we see, you know, potentially good
[56:58] partnerships. We've been in discussion
with some of these groups such as
[57:00] Roosevelt and, you know, both parks and
and the irrigation district being in the
[57:04] forever business. They're losing their a
partners. We're expanding our park
[57:08] system and so we see a ton of upside and
opportunity there. And then with
[57:11] implementation, again, that'll be on a
case-by case basis that we'll bring back
[57:14] for your consideration, whether it be in
the CIP update process or the annual
[57:18] budget process.
And at this time, uh, Barb and I are
[57:22] available to take any questions that you
all may have.
[57:25] » Okay, who's up?
>> No, I'll just go around this way. How's
[57:31] that? Go ahead.
>> Sounds good. Thank you, mayor. Um, I I
[57:36] definitely support the direction and
look forward to the discussions going
[57:40] ahead. Um,
I guess
[57:46] one of the things I want to make sure
we're
[57:49] concerned about when moving to non-p
portable water will be probably the
[57:54] salinity in it. Um,
you know, we do have some nice parks
[58:00] expanding. We want to build nice parks.
We want our communities to have nice
[58:04] parks. My concern with, you know, heavy
volume of salt and there is potentially
[58:11] you water the grass, you still kill the
grass. You water the tree, you just you
[58:15] still kill the trees. Is making sure
that we don't just
[58:20] do it for the sake of saving every penny
that we possibly can,
[58:26] but at the same time, moving in that
direction is a good thing. So I I just
[58:30] kind of wanted to register that as we
like the previous
[58:36] discussion
head towards the budget phase. I just
[58:40] kind of wanted to throw that out there.
It's not really a question. It's a
[58:44] concern that I have. That's all
>> ready.
[58:50] » Um where would this pond be that we're
talking about for
[58:55] overflow or whatever? Where would that
be held? Or would that water be held?
[59:00] » This be for GRC phase 2 or
>> the pond you were talking about,
[59:04] whatever it was you were talking about
just a few minutes ago about where water
[59:07] would be held.
>> Oh, that would be if we had a if we had
[59:10] opportunity to use uh irrigation
district water, we would need a
[59:14] containment pond. So, that would vary by
site and some opportunities. It's, you
[59:17] know, retrofitting may not be feasible
for some of the existing parks, but for
[59:21] the construction of a new site, that
would be, you know, something identified
[59:24] in the schematic phase. And so, for
instance, next week with GRC phase 2, we
[59:29] will show some a couple of concepts that
would demonstrate that.
[59:32] » Would there be more than one of those
around the city or just would be there
[59:36] reason would there be a reason to be
more than one? There could potentially
[59:39] on on a case-by case basis there is one
existing with Rio Park and um that it's
[59:45] it's seen as a water feature but really
it's an irrigation holding pond.
[59:48] » Okay. Do they have any trouble with
mosquitoes or anything with that kind of
[59:52] » the actual water feature uh is going to
uh basically airate the water and so
[59:57] » that we don't have that. Okay. And it's
really nice to hear you finally come
[1:00:00] before us and say something.
>> I'm really glad. Thank you,
[1:00:04] » Wally.
I just want the
[1:00:10] the golf courses and any of the public
uh grassy area just use the non-per. It
[1:00:15] just makes sense and we we know that we
have certain areas that we have to put
[1:00:20] in a water fountain and that's good
water, but it just makes sense to do
[1:00:24] that. And because we're in the desert,
as much water features as we can do that
[1:00:30] will enhance what we have. I would like
to see that just because every, you
[1:00:36] know, the for the extension of our
um Goodyear recreation campus, they
[1:00:45] wanted to do a fishing pond and I under
I can get that because Leville Park has
[1:00:49] a nice fishing pond and the kids go over
there and fish a couple times a year and
[1:00:53] that's maybe not feasible to us, but
maybe we can put a little water feature
[1:00:58] in there or something just something
unique. So, thank you for bringing it
[1:01:03] forward. Barb's on on it right on the
top. I'll tell you,
[1:01:07] » Laura, anything.
>> Go ahead.
[1:01:12] » And now I'll come.
[1:01:16] » Thank you. [laughter]
[1:01:20] » All right, let's go to slide four. Uh,
if you don't mind, we've got um the
[1:01:24] potable and non-pottable water. And then
uh I didn't realize those three columns
[1:01:29] below are actually a definition when
when I got my packet. Uh but I um
[1:01:37] here
the potable water is obviously the most
[1:01:40] expensive one and you put that on
another slide. You didn't necessarily
[1:01:44] put a a cost for the non-pottable water.
But one of the things I wanted to um
[1:01:49] share with anybody interested in the
public and surprisingly people are
[1:01:53] interested in water um discussions is
the fact that um there is a value to
[1:01:59] non-pottable water. So uh besides for uh
using it for irrigation, it gives us
[1:02:06] opportunities to put it back in the
ground and get credits for it. So it's
[1:02:10] it's not something that um doesn't have
a value. It does have a value. So um
[1:02:16] considering when we are looking at
irrigation
[1:02:20] uh if we're putting it on turf then
we're not getting credits for it to put
[1:02:23] it. So it need that needs to be um a
conscious decision and the this has been
[1:02:30] talked about before from the dis. I
mean, the water department is the
[1:02:33] largest water water user in the city of
Goodyear, obviously. Um, and you know,
[1:02:39] that is taxpayer money that pays the
water bills, but uh certainly quality of
[1:02:45] life, uh, sports, just amenities, people
want and need parks and recreation. And
[1:02:52] that is when we look at that, we want to
budget our water also. I mean, not
[1:02:58] everything can have all the water and
and so we have to uh kind of pick and
[1:03:04] choose. So, I just want to clarify that
um the non-pottable water um does have a
[1:03:11] a monetary value or a
I guess maybe a statutory value as well.
[1:03:18] Um but it is we're very fortunate that
we also have these other uh sources such
[1:03:24] as the Roosevelt irrigation district and
um although we're not thrilled that we
[1:03:29] have the remediated water the reason for
it but the fact that we can actually use
[1:03:34] that and for for a large um water users
is really important. So if we look at
[1:03:41] slide
[1:03:44] um 12,
until today I thought that this was an
[1:03:51] HOA
park. I had no idea it was a city park.
[1:03:56] Um, in the time that I've been on
council, I know that there was one time
[1:04:01] that I I went there on city business and
it was precoid and we were going to
[1:04:07] different neighborhood associations or
HOAs. they were doing, I don't know,
[1:04:11] like a good neighbor day and we stopped
there and
[1:04:17] that's the only time I've been there. I
thought it was a HOA park and um and uh
[1:04:23] so it was kind of a surprise to find out
that it's a city park because we don't
[1:04:27] program it as far as I can tell. I don't
know that we've ever actually done
[1:04:32] anything there. I know parking is
limited to neighborhood parking, but
[1:04:36] it's a, you know, 14 14 acres. I mean,
it's it's definitely a different size,
[1:04:41] but um I appreciated meeting with Keany
and Rachel today to go over this that
[1:04:48] that was really helpful because yeah,
the question was, does this this water
[1:04:52] fulfill a purpose? Can you elaborate on
what this water does?
[1:05:00] » Yeah, this is actually used to irrigate
the park. So, it's
[1:05:03] » which park?
>> Uh Rio Pose. So all the green space
[1:05:06] there is is what it's used for. It's
it's pumped out of there and distributed
[1:05:10] through the irrigation system.
>> Okay. I know it it's a is the is the
[1:05:16] park itself more than 14 acres or does
the 14 acres include the water? I it's
[1:05:22] not clear.
>> Yeah, I'm not sure.
[1:05:24] » It's a pretty big water feature.
>> My assumption is it includes the
[1:05:28] footprint for the water containment area
as well within this, you know, the
[1:05:31] overall space.
>> Okay.
[1:05:33] Um,
[1:05:37] okay. I I'll get back to that one. Um,
the next one is slide uh 14 and this is
[1:05:45] the Bullard Wash Park, too. Um, this is
sort of a tucked away hidden thing. It's
[1:05:50] listed as an amenity for walking and
biking. Certainly, it's amenity for the
[1:05:55] multifamily that has gone up there. They
have a view of water. But can you tell
[1:06:01] me what that water is used for?
>> That's also used to irrigate the uh the
[1:06:07] boardwash
>> the whole entire space. Okay. So that
[1:06:11] that itself is 31 acres of water that
also evaporates and uh the Rio Po water
[1:06:22] evaporates al also. Okay. Um, I had no
idea that we had this much open water. I
[1:06:30] knew we had at the ballpark. I know we
were discussing at GRC. So, it was a a
[1:06:35] little bit of a a revelation to find out
that we we had this much. Um,
[1:06:45] that's it's great presentation by the
way. It's just a lot to scroll through.
[1:06:51] Um
so if I'm now at slide 24 um
[1:06:58] I think that anything that is a Goodyear
amenity that is on potable water
[1:07:04] definitely support looking at
alternatives for that because the cost
[1:07:08] of that is the highest and um as we've
been talking about it would be great to
[1:07:15] get uh GRC
um ballpark off of our water portfoli IO
[1:07:20] that gives allows us to use water for
other things. Um and then um even if we
[1:07:30] found other sources then we
I mean it looks like really the only
[1:07:35] thing we might in this batch the uh use
our Goodyear non-pottable water for
[1:07:41] would be the dog park. uh which mean we
wouldn't be using it for other things
[1:07:46] and we can put it back into the ground
or maybe in the future for advanced
[1:07:49] water purification but for now back in
the ground and get our our muchneeded
[1:07:54] storage credit. So I I am really
supportive of a plan to get us off the
[1:07:59] non-pottable I mean off the potable
water and granted the cost of the
[1:08:04] infrastructure is going to have to be
factored in but um certainly the RIID is
[1:08:10] runs by the community park it runs by PO
and it runs by this Bullard Wash park.
[1:08:18] So hopefully that would be something
that would be um become cost-effective.
[1:08:25] Um on slide 26 when you have the water
source comparison maybe when you come
[1:08:30] back you can put what the cost is for
the the reclaimed effulent water costs
[1:08:34] because that that is missing from that
equation. Um our water is quite
[1:08:41] expensive. Um but yet it's less than
potable potable water portable water. So
[1:08:46] I mean that that is different definite
use. Um and and I guess my only um thing
[1:08:54] is as we evaluate that we have certain
maybe parks or water features that we've
[1:09:00] had for a long time and as the cost of
water is going up substantially. We're
[1:09:05] going to have to determine what the
return on our investment is going to be.
[1:09:10] And as uh looking at a uh for for
example, Rio Po um we have this large
[1:09:18] amenity uh for that that neighborhood
which looks like a a neighborhood. I
[1:09:25] mean a like an HOA park, but it turns
out it's a city park. We don't again we
[1:09:29] don't program. I mean there as the cost
of water goes up and things we may have
[1:09:33] to determine how we're going to best
allocate. And I I just don't want us to
[1:09:38] be in the mindset, well, we've always
done this and so we'll just keep funding
[1:09:42] it forever. I mean, at some point the
the water becomes expensive for the
[1:09:49] taxpayers too and and you have to
balance it with what is the usage uh
[1:09:55] what what are the residents getting from
it when we spend that that water money.
[1:09:59] So, um that's my um my only cont, you
know, if things sort of look like maybe
[1:10:07] they're just a passive thing. Um
whether or not that makes sense, but
[1:10:12] it's it's interesting as we're talking
about maybe putting more things on RID,
[1:10:16] it looks like we'll have more ponds. And
I I think that that
[1:10:22] that's an important thing to note
because again then we continue to deal
[1:10:25] with the um evaporation and maybe uh
becoming sort of an attractive nuisance
[1:10:31] for others and and things like that. But
anyway, I I applaud the effort to look
[1:10:37] at our system objectively be coste
effective. I mean you're going to have
[1:10:42] to balance the cost of the
infrastructure versus the benefit, but
[1:10:45] then for how many years? And so there's
definitely a lot of things to it, but I
[1:10:50] think this is a conversation that we've
needed to have and I really appreciate
[1:10:53] that today. Thank you.
>> You're up.
[1:10:58] » All right. Yeah. Thank you, Barb and T
and David. Welcome. Welcome to Goodyear
[1:11:02] again. So, thank you for coming out.
Yeah. Thank you for your both
[1:11:06] creativity. I think all these little
tiny changes and upgrades over I mean
[1:11:10] with all the portfolio that we have, but
I mean this is one part of that
[1:11:14] portfolio. So, thank you for being
continue to be creative and proactive
[1:11:17] and trying to look for ways to save
money, save water, and be more efficient
[1:11:20] with our water. Um, I had a quick
question, a couple questions here. Um,
[1:11:25] does do we still use the purple pipe and
would this be purple pipe? And which
[1:11:28] water is purple pipe water?
>> Reclaimed water is the purple pipe
[1:11:33] water. So, that is the treated waste
water. So, the Liberty non-potable um
[1:11:41] parks that are served by Liberty
non-potable are purple pipe parks.
[1:11:45] » Okay. Okay. Thank you. I thought we
still I thought we still used it. I
[1:11:49] thought we still used it when I I mean,
>> so I just curious about that.
[1:11:53] » And then I know we have these ponds and
I know council member Kano was talking
[1:11:58] about the ponds. Um, I know we're not
going to build any more new recreational
[1:12:02] ponds, but is there a opportunity to if
we're going to have a pond, large ponds,
[1:12:07] to put fish in there for recreation?
>> Typically, fish are used in a a water
[1:12:14] storage supply more for maintenance of
the of the lake or the pond or the
[1:12:20] storage facility, whatever you want to
call it. They're they're really
[1:12:24] containment to store the water so that
it's on demand when the park needs it
[1:12:29] for its irrigation. And in order to
maintain that, the most cost effective
[1:12:35] way is to stock it with fish that will
eat algae or other um grasses,
[1:12:42] » clean the, you know, stuff off the
bottoms. So, there's usually fish in
[1:12:46] there. None of our um storage facilities
are fishing. They don't there's no
[1:12:51] fishing allowed in any of our parks.
That's not what they're for.
[1:12:54] » Yeah. I just if there's a two two things
we can do while we're doing the one
[1:12:58] thing and it's also comes an amenity for
recreation as well. Obviously, you're
[1:13:02] not eating those kind of fish because
you wouldn't want to eat that water. So,
[1:13:07] » in my experience, if you get into the
fishing arena, then you get into game
[1:13:11] and fish and they they'll manage your
they have to manage that lake.
[1:13:15] » I'm just looking up to opportunities. If
we already have a large body of water
[1:13:18] that we're going to have anyway, might
as well if we can make a couple of
[1:13:21] opportunities out of it potentially,
that'd be great great benefit for the
[1:13:26] residents a couple different ways. So,
and then
[1:13:30] do the HOAs use the same water? Have we
had conversations with them? If we're
[1:13:34] expanding and I'm sure they want to save
water as well, they way for them to be a
[1:13:39] user of that water to create, I'm sure,
more demand. I know you said there a
[1:13:43] supply issue potentially. maybe we don't
have the place to do that, but I'm sure
[1:13:48] they would love to be part of the system
if possible. So, I was curious to have
[1:13:52] those conversations.
>> We do have um uh some HOA conservation
[1:13:57] um programs that our staff will go out
and and work with them on. And we've
[1:14:02] been working with some of the the new
schools that have been locating on
[1:14:07] irrigation prop, you know, on the
project lands. So, in RID service area,
[1:14:13] we've had a couple new schools. We've
been trying to kind of persuade them to
[1:14:18] use that irrigation supply. I'm not
going to force them to. Yeah.
[1:14:22] » But certainly once they start getting
those portable water bills, I think it
[1:14:26] starts looking more attractive to them
too. So yes, we do
[1:14:30] » as a conservation and just as our staff
reviews plans if we have a potential if
[1:14:36] there's an alternate supply close by, we
usually try to suggest it.
[1:14:40] » Yeah, I think it'd be a great
opportunity. I mean, the less bottled
[1:14:43] water they're using, the better we can
use it for residents. And yeah, I think
[1:14:47] it Yeah, just to make sure that we're
not we're advertising it, but that or at
[1:14:50] least that they're aware of it if we're
expanding these lines and letting people
[1:14:55] know that they that might be a potential
for those large irrigation users that
[1:14:59] are like it's like a park like the
schools. Some schools have pretty large
[1:15:04] areas that are watered very frequently
as well. So, but yeah, no, like I said,
[1:15:09] I really appreciate you bringing
bringing this to us. Continue to I'm
[1:15:13] very supportive. So, continue to bring
um any new ideas, things like that that
[1:15:18] we can help save water, make it more
efficient, and have more cost savings.
[1:15:21] So, thank you very much.
>> You know, great discussion with council.
[1:15:25] The only thing I want to add is that um
you know, drop saved is one we don't
[1:15:29] have to pump. So, when you're putting
plants or anything around out the parks,
[1:15:33] look for the ones that use less water.
uh you know that still keep it green but
[1:15:37] use less water and the type of shrubs
that maybe don't grow as fast so you
[1:15:40] don't have to spend as much money
trimming them. So that's kind of where
[1:15:43] my sign is as far from cost standpoint
when it comes to comes to the park. So
[1:15:47] with that uh thank you and with I'm
going to go to any comments from the
[1:15:52] council
[1:15:55] » Barbara. Have we had any discussion or
any thought that we would drill our own
[1:15:59] wells? Do we have the ability to do
that? I know we're we've got the other
[1:16:04] wells that were in the super fund those
wells but there do we do we do that can
[1:16:12] we do that
>> I mean we have uh we have several wells
[1:16:16] in our system that's where we get a good
part of our portable supply is from
[1:16:21] wells so yeah we do have some
>> some options for some irrigation wells
[1:16:27] and
>> okay
[1:16:28] » that could be a potential
>> okay for Rio Po uh the council may not
[1:16:33] be aware that when we have the floods,
it floods right through Pebble Creek. It
[1:16:38] goes right into Rayo Po. So,
it just it's, you know, it's it's a lot
[1:16:44] of water. So, that's why you don't have
picnic areas and ball fields over there
[1:16:48] because it'll wash away, but it's a it
drains all the way down because we're
[1:16:52] part of the Bullard Wash literally. and
and uh we do water the Bullard wash area
[1:16:58] to keep it green, but we are using the
non-pottable water. So,
[1:17:05] » that's it. Thank you.
>> Anything from council? Any comments?
[1:17:10] We all good? How about the manager?
>> No, sir. We appreciate your time this
[1:17:14] evening. Thank you so much.
>> All right. Oh, I like that final remarks
[1:17:18] there. Those are perfect. With that,
meeting ajourned. [laughter]