[0:00] Let's
>> call this meeting of the town planning
[0:04] board to order. Please rise for the
pledge of
[0:07] » allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
[0:11] America to the republic for it stands
one nationice
[0:19] for all.
>> Thank you.
[0:30] First item on the agenda is the approval
of minutes August 6, 20126.
[0:36] Comments or revisions?
[0:46] » There are none. Can I have a motion then
to approve the minutes of August 6th as
[0:49] prepared?
>> Move.
[0:51] » Fell second by second.
>> Giovani. All in favor say I.
[0:55] » I.
>> Against.
[0:57] » One abstension. Thank you.
[1:06] » Next item on the agenda is the possible
extension or abandonment of applications
[1:10] pursuant to town code. Project being
Young's Grove Rigger.
[1:15] We have a letter uh dated August 12th,
2026 from engineering and surveying
[1:21] properties addressed to the planning
board regarding this application.
[1:25] With this letter, we are requesting a
spot on the August 20th, 2026 planning
[1:29] board agenda to request two 90-day
extensions of the conditional
[1:33] preliminary major subdivision approval
[clears throat] for the reference
[1:36] project. The conditional preliminary
approval is scheduled to expire on or
[1:40] about August 20th, 2026, today. We have
attached a summary of activities that
[1:46] have occurred in the past several months
in an effort to complete the conditions
[1:50] of preliminary approval. Thank you for
your attention to this matter. Should
[1:54] you have any questions, please do not
hesitate to contact our office.
[1:57] Sincerely, Steve Espazito
and we have a project update. It's
[2:03] project update number 24
dated August 12th, 2026.
[2:09] Again, the applicant is requesting two
90-day extensions of his conditional
[2:13] preliminary major subdivision approval.
Since approval, the following items have
[2:17] been addressed and completed.
The applicant is continuing a dialogue
[2:22] with the town board and village board
regarding sanitary waste.
[2:26] Applicant drafted a developer agreement
for a water system and providing water
[2:30] to Stonehenge subdivision, which is
currently under review by the town board
[2:33] and town attorney. Two, the applicant
received comments from the New York
[2:38] State DEC regarding our water withdrawal
permit application that was submitted to
[2:43] the department on December 12th, 2023.
Applicant is responding to the DEEC
[2:49] comments. Applicant needs resolution of
sewer treatment with the village to
[2:53] complete the responses and revisions to
the New York State DEEC comments.
[2:57] [cough]
Number three, based on the final
[3:00] resolution of sewer treatment and water
with the town and village, the applicant
[3:04] will revise the preliminary approved
subdivision plans for the planning board
[3:07] approval.
>> Sean,
[3:11] » I have nothing further, but Ross is here
if he has anything to add.
[3:14] » Nothing to add. I know they've been
trying to work out the sewer issue.
[3:19] » Okay.
comments from the board.
[3:28] » Okay. In that case, uh, two 90-day
extensions would take us to what?
[3:32] » February 18th, 27th.
[3:40] » [clears throat]
>> I have a motion then to grant the two
[3:42] 90-day extensions to February 18, 2027
for the conditional preliminary major
[3:47] subdivision approval for Craigville LLC,
Rever Homes, also known as Young's
[3:52] Grove.
>> The motion
[3:54] » Marty second by
a second.
[3:57] » Phil, all in favor say I.
>> I.
[3:59] » Against.
[4:06] » [cough]
>> Next item,
[4:11] public hearings.
First one being Anttoaga Mansion
[4:16] 2-1-21.2
21.3 21.4 and 21.5.
[4:23] application for a site plan and special
permit approval for a catering facility
[4:27] with accessory guest rooms and spa on
145.7 plus or minus acres on New York
[4:33] State Route 207 in RU zone with the AQ3
overlay. Do we have anyone from the
[4:39] public here for this public hearing?
[4:44] » Uh once we take care of company up here,
I'll open it up to the public and the
[4:50] floor will be yours.
[4:53] Uh so this uh was opened a zero time not
open this was last discussed a June 18th
[4:58] meeting. At that time the applicant
requested an endurement which we
[5:01] provided till this evening. I followed
up with the applicant who gave us an
[5:05] email that asked for an additional
three-month procurement and they
[5:08] indicated that they are preparing to
submit a uh petition to [clears throat]
[5:13] the town board for a zoning amendment.
Don't know anything further than that.
[5:17] Um so if board's interested in u
giving an adjournment I would suggest
[5:23] that you open the public hearing to take
any public comment and then if you want
[5:27] to provide the three months of gap
question that would be your
[5:33] » adjourn to November 18th
>> that's what the okay
[5:41] bill comments on this application
>> well Um, I'm not sure what the uh
[5:50] change in zoning is all about. That's a
big unknown factor. I do think as it
[5:56] stands without that change, I think it's
97-18C
[6:02] does permit a residential property to be
used for business purposes if it meets
[6:10] certain criteria.
And I am wondering one of the criteria
[6:16] criteria is [clears throat] one of the
criteria is the exterior appearance
[6:24] of the residential structure is not
significantly modified.
[6:30] And another one is that the business
occupies less than 5,000 square ft of
[6:36] floor space area. We have a 10,000
square foot more or less 10,000 square
[6:43] foot
residence that they are proposing to
[6:49] expand to 55,000
square ft more or less. I would like to
[6:55] hear at some point from the applicant
given that those are criterion criteria
[7:02] for satisfying
business purpose for residential
[7:07] purpose. [clears throat]
How this uh proposed use, a catering
[7:12] facility, an event facility would meet
those two requirements.
[7:25] You want to weigh on that?
>> I can weigh in. Steve's been the lead on
[7:28] this. Um I understand it was initial
determination by Frank that it was
[7:32] consistent with the zoning that was
appealed by the neighbor went to the
[7:35] ZBA.
Um that appeal has been stayed. Um they
[7:40] have met with planners. Um we're looking
at the comprehensive plan and potential
[7:46] zoning amendment. only one has been
drafted with maps in place and I think
[7:49] it's probably going in the next day or
two to the town board regarding amending
[7:54] the zoning for the shoots.
>> Thank you.
[8:07] I I just have a couple questions.
Actually, there some of them may have
[8:10] been addressed, but
uh in the design itself, the valet
[8:16] parking area, we're not showing any
lighting. Um
[8:21] vehicles are going to be picked up from
that area in the evening hours after an
[8:26] event. I'm not sure why we have no
lights other than whatever light the
[8:31] go-kart has. You know, the golf cart or
the uh
[8:34] » you know but you know something to
consider as far as evening hours
[8:38] lighting um we were talking about the
venues being separated by two hours and
[8:45] I wasn't sure if that means that they'll
be staggered in the sense that two hours
[8:50] one will start after the other and in
two hours earlier than the other so
[8:54] there's always a two-hour lag between
the two I think that needs to be cleared
[8:58] up a little bit what the maximum number
of hours are so they could maintain that
[9:02] shift. Um [snorts]
the outdoor outdoor ceremony spaces
[9:08] don't appear to have any lighting. Also,
not sure why uh unless it's being used
[9:13] in daytime hours and not part of an
evening event.
[9:18] Um
[9:21] just want to confirm there's no
intention to have fireworks or outdoor
[9:25] amplification.
>> No. uh consideration for solar panels on
[9:30] the roof since we have a sizable amount
of roof uh deck. I don't know if that's
[9:34] been considered as far as the energy uh
uh considerations.
[9:40] Um and also where the water's coming
from irrigating the shrubs and the lawns
[9:45] because we're saying that we're
maintaining lawns. Uh I don't know if
[9:48] it's going to be like a irrigation
system, subsurface irrigation system,
[9:52] and if so, is there a tank or a holding
rain water and what are we using?
[9:57] So I mean typically we would propose
landscaping that doesn't require any
[10:01] irrigation especially in New York
not not to need any kind of irrigation
[10:06] » even the lawns know just
>> let nature take care of it.
[10:10] » Yep.
>> Use the right plantings that don't
[10:12] require
water.
[10:16] » We wouldn't know this summer.
And the other thing was the two storm
[10:21] water management ponds as far as
landscaping and fencing around those
[10:24] since they but the parking areas. Uh I
didn't see anything on plans preliminary
[10:29] plans anyway that shows anything like
that. Something to consider.
[10:36] » I don't necessarily have any questions
right now on the site plan, but can you
[10:40] uh tell me what zoning changes are they
looking to go to?
[10:45] I I don't I don't quite know exactly
because Steve's been handling um that
[10:50] zoning process [clears throat] attorney
um
[10:55] Steve's office and I know they had met
with the planner I don't know if it was
[11:01] overlay zone um that was the initial
concept um that would allow certain uses
[11:07] if you had certain frontages on state
highways you had certain acreages so
[11:11] forth that was the initial concept that
they were talking
[11:15] I guess
>> it'll be introduced here any Yeah. any
[11:17] day.
>> All right. [clears throat]
[11:22] » Nothing. I second Phil's comments.
>> Sure.
[11:25] » So, I'm I'm totally in agreement with
Phil, but I do have a question. Um,
[11:29] Ross, if uh
the accessory uses or the accessory
[11:36] service businesses in in the
establishment are not going to be open
[11:41] to the general public. They're going to
be open specifically to the people that
[11:45] have events booked at the facility.
Correct.
[11:47] » Yep. That's correct.
>> So, we're not going to find these rooms
[11:49] on Airbnb or
>> Correct.
[11:51] » things like that. They're not going to
be on booking.com.
[11:55] » It's an event that right now up at
>> the bar, the bill of an easy that old
[12:01] house there he actually
>> he's doing right. So, that and I know
[12:04] that that's how he operates those two
businesses.
[12:07] » I was assuming
>> the same intent here.
[12:08] » I was assuming it was going to be the
same intent here. I just wanted to hear
[12:11] it straight from you.
>> So these accessory uses are strictly for
[12:15] the event space. They're not separate
>> and and and additional businesses. It's
[12:21] it's one it's covered under
>> correct. They're accessory to the event
[12:25] » to the event. Okay, great. That was my
my big question. And as far as the site
[12:30] plan goes, um I think I think I'm okay.
>> One more question. The catering costs
[12:40] that will only be for on-site activities
>> related to the onsite.
[12:46] » Yeah.
>> Won't be
[12:48] » to the general public. Correct. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Any luck they will have any
[12:55] any time to cater outside the facility
and he does it out of his current
[12:58] facility.
>> Okay. So he's he's essentially
[13:04] his plan is to duplicate his other two
establishments
[13:07] » with a different
>> different look different
[13:10] » different look different location
different services.
[13:13] » Yeah.
[13:16] » Any other comments or concerns?
[13:20] If not, we'll
uh open up the public hearing. Um any
[13:28] anyone else besides Neil wish to speak?
[13:33] Uh what I'd like you to do once we open
the public hearing is just introduce
[13:36] yourself and your address for the record
and then state your concerns. I need a
[13:41] motion to open the public hearings.
>> So moved.
[13:44] » Giovani second by
>> Eric. All in favor say I.
[13:48] » I. against public hearing is open and I
recognize you state
[13:55] how res
uh hearing about the possible zoning
[13:59] change may make any move or whatever but
uh lacking that change uh my concern is
[14:06] that I think it's going to go to the ZBA
and if the ZBA uh the power the ZBA has
[14:11] to balance look at it and balance the
advantage to the uh the owner of the
[14:16] property versus the impact to the to the
neighborhood. And I think one of the
[14:20] issues with that then is you need to
start what's the the impact right now as
[14:25] as permitted which would be as stated
5,000 ft of usage. Uh, and so what's the
[14:31] impact if you have open it up this 5,000
foot facility and then what's the impact
[14:36] if you make it a 55,000 foot facility
and I would suggest if it's going to be
[14:41] considered that way that you also have
the applicant look at if they just use
[14:45] the existing facility recognizing the
fact that there's an existing building
[14:48] there that's is in excess of 5,000 ft.
it may make sense to visit it at that
[14:52] and say, "Hey, we can give the ZBA may
decide, hey, we can give you the 13,000
[14:57] whatever, but we can't go up 55,000." I
think it just be helpful if when you're
[15:01] doing the environmental review that you
have those impacts specified that way.
[15:06] It would be helpful for the ZBA to be
able to make that that kind of balance.
[15:10] Right. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Neil.
[15:15] » Anyone else from the public wish to
speak on this application?
[15:24] So
>> the applicant requested three months
[15:27] that would bring you to your November
19th meeting.
[15:29] » So that being the case, can I have a
motion then to adjourn this public
[15:33] hearing to November 19th, 2026.
>> Phil second by second.
[15:41] » Marty, all in favor say I. I
[clears throat and snorts]
[15:46] [cough]
[16:18] Next item on the agenda,
public hearing once again for CDA
[16:23] Extreme Sports Training Center 2596 Gan,
New York LLC, formerly known as Unifi
[16:30] 12-1-117.
application for an amended site plan and
[16:34] special permit for the conversion of a
light industry to recreational business
[16:38] on 5.3 acres New York State Road 17M in
HC zone with an AQ6 overlay.
[16:47] » Good evening. Ross Witz engineering and
surveying properties. I'm here with
[16:50] Joyce who is with CDA Extreme, the uh
operator of the cheer
[16:58] » Y. Okay. Um,
just to get everybody uh oriented, this
[17:05] is the former furniture options
building. Um, it was purchased by
[17:08] European Outdoors probably about 5 years
ago um and converted for their use um to
[17:15] a special permit. Um, their business had
declined. They ended up selling the
[17:22] property um to a new owner who had
brought in a tenant uniplant who we were
[17:28] here a couple years ago for it. Uh
European Outdoors has uh basically
[17:33] disappeared. Um and the the use of their
facility which is about 10,381 square ft
[17:40] uh where they have been it will be
occupied by CDA Extreme and their
[17:45] training facility. Um there's not a lot
of site improvements proposed. There's a
[17:50] bunch of striping um in what was the
loading area, loading dots in the back
[17:54] that we use uh for the building. Um we
proposed parking there that was part of
[17:59] our discussion in the July meeting. Um
we show routing um proper widths, proper
[18:06] spacing, drop off area for parents. Um
any overflow would come to the front
[18:11] could park in the front. um signage for
that provide.
[18:15] Um
it's really it. We did the sewer test.
[18:20] Everything came back fine. The applicant
uh the owner, I should say, it's not the
[18:24] applicant, the owner is pursuing uh
Department of Health approval for the
[18:27] water system. [cough and clears throat]
Be glad to answer any questions.
[18:31] » Thanks, Ross.
>> Not much to add, Mr. Chairman. This is
[18:36] amendment.
Uh the applicant indicated this was
[18:39] before you back on July 16th. written
comments on July 10th. The applicant has
[18:45] made recent submission requested
responding to those comments and also
[18:49] addressing some requested and this is
listed this evening for public
[18:58] um
two issues. One one we raised earlier at
[19:05] another meeting which was ADA compliance
for the
[19:13] as an entryway and an exit to the
facility and the other uh there was a
[19:21] one of the narratives concerning the
project you uh discussed
[19:28] u
for the younger children that they had
[19:32] to be accompanied after practice.
>> They had to be accompanied by an adult.
[19:38] » Yep.
>> To
[19:41] uh safely get through the parking lot to
to the cars. It would seem to me that uh
[19:50] that plan, whatever it is, it should be
put down in writing and it should apply,
[19:58] I think, to all of the athletes
>> who are involved
[20:02] » because, you know, you get teenagers,
they can be pretty distractable.
[20:07] » Well, we have cameras located throughout
the building so I can watch we have
[20:10] cameras located throughout the building
so I can watch the parking lot. The kids
[20:13] aren't allowed to leave till they see
their parents in the lot. They're not
[20:15] allowed to hang out in the parking lot.
So, a 13 and 14 year old [clears throat]
[20:18] can go into the lot and find her dad's
car and jump in. They're not allowed to
[20:21] stay outside if they are outside. As of
this week, it was nice out, so they were
[20:25] outside. I had a coach sitting outside
with them. So, that does happen, but the
[20:28] parents aren't parking to pick those
kids up. They're driving up, the kids
[20:31] are jumping in, and they're leaving. Um,
the mini parents, which are the
[20:35] 9-year-old and under group, their
parents will park in the back 5 minutes
[20:39] before pickup, and they will wait in
their cars. When they see the kids come
[20:42] up to the steps, they come out to the
steps, they grab their kids, they put
[20:44] them in the car. So, this is a system
we've been using since COVID um when we
[20:48] had had kids check in and check out. So,
it has worked for us. The little kids
[20:52] are being escorted through the parking
lot. The older kids are not allowed to
[20:55] hang out in the parking lot and are free
going to the parking lot. They look at
[20:58] the door, their parents is here, they go
to the parking lot. There's no hanging
[21:00] out or congregating in the parking lot
alone.
[21:06] » I just leave it to the board whether
whether or not you want to see something
[21:10] in writing to that effect.
>> I think it is in writing in the
[21:13] narrative. I just have to specify in the
narrative. I wrote the narrative. I have
[21:17] to specify in the narrative that the
juniors and older teams don't leave and
[21:21] go into the curriculum until more
detail.
[21:23] » Yep.
>> I can do that.
[21:25] » Okay.
>> Um Philip mentioned the uh ADA access.
[21:33] » Uh yeah, why don't you tell us uh more
about what you think? Um, so what we can
[21:40] do here is providing uh handicap access,
handicap parking up front at the
[21:46] entrance. We're adding two parking
spots. Um, there'll be uh there's a
[21:51] front entrance store that's handicap
accessible. It has cameras on it and
[21:54] there is a bell on it. So um they can
activate the bell that can notify them
[22:00] that they're there. So if it's after
hours and say uni plank is closed, they
[22:05] can activate the bell.
Joyce staff has access to that door and
[22:09] has
>> I do have I do have agreement with Uni
[22:13] Plank that for ADA access I have their
security code for the entire building
[22:17] and I may access the front door and
bring them through the hallway into our
[22:20] door because we do have an access point
between the two spaces.
[22:22] » So the path that's depicted on the plan
[clears throat] what is is that a is
[22:28] that a hallway is that?
>> So no that's just a hypothetical path. I
[22:31] mean we haven't been inside the building
to lay a path out. That would be up to
[22:34] the architect when they finalize the
division. But was something that Frank
[22:38] will be will look at
>> that is actually that's actually close
[22:40] to the path. So the path is just a
little further over. There's a door
[22:43] right here. There's a garage door and a
large another large door right here
[22:47] between the center of the two spaces.
And it's a hallway space. It is hallway.
[22:51] » Is that hallway space to find walls?
>> Not to find walls.
[22:54] » So what would
>> Yes, it's storage actually. So it's far
[22:58] it's very wide. So you're talking about
probably 16t clearance walkway. Um, they
[23:02] have racking and storage on one side.
>> What What prevents anyone going through
[23:07] that hallway to wander off that path?
>> Well, we have the door locked.
[23:12] » So, I'm talking.
>> So, they have to be escorted. Yeah, we
[23:15] have the door locked. So, we have the
door locked from our side. They can't
[23:18] just free rain and roam through the
building. Um,
[23:20] » so not they're not just getting buzzed
in.
[23:22] » No, they're getting they're getting
escorted. I'm going to pick them up at
[23:25] the door. A coach is going to pick them
up at the door and bring them through.
[23:28] Chances of us having handicap somebody
handicapped that's entering is probably
[23:31] very slim. It'll be very occasional if
it's a mom or dad or somebody that needs
[23:35] to come in for a reason, but other than
that, there's not many reasons why we've
[23:39] been there a year and there hasn't been
one situation that we've had to use the
[23:42] door.
>> Okay. I I I want to back that up a
[23:46] little bit. I do think you want to
provide opportunities for people who
[23:50] need accessible entrances to work for
you or to attend these competitions like
[23:54] that. I don't I don't think that it
hasn't happened that much before is like
[23:59] a great answer to that, but but we can
get through it. Um,
[24:04] how do people know uh how to get to this
entrance require uh access and you know
[24:13] » well we actually gave some thought today
cuz he called me to verify what we were
[24:17] doing with the ADA and we're going to
put signage on the front that says that
[24:21] you have to give us a call and Buzz is
right in the doorbell and we will come
[24:24] and escort you through the building if
you require um assistance. So we're
[24:29] going to put that signage right by the
doorbell in the front. the doorbell is
[24:31] there where we're going to put signage
specifying that because it gave me some
[24:34] thought like yeah they really don't know
unless they're already in our program.
[24:37] If they're in their program they have a
band, they all know to communicate to
[24:40] your band. They can get me within
minutes on band and I will get to that
[24:43] door. But if they don't know and they're
just visiting then we're going to put a
[24:46] sign that says, "Hey, ring the bell and
give us a call and we'll come to get
[24:49] you."
>> Can I can I just expand on [snorts]
[24:53] Jeremy said competition? There's just
going to be training. No actual
[24:57] competition. No, we don't host
competitions.
[25:00] » We attend competitions. We don't host
competitions.
[25:03] » There there was some correspondence
question.
[25:06] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, we won't host competitions
[25:07] there. This facility is not meant to
hold competitions.
[25:11] » And what I would um
more than recommend, what I think you're
[25:16] obligated to do is also put some signage
on the main door
[25:20] » for [clears throat] your facility
directing the rear.
[25:23] » No, 100%. So the signage that he
proposed in the parking lot, he had
[25:26] specified drop off pickup. And with
that, when I was giving it some extra
[25:30] thought today, I'm going with the
signage on the back door saying that
[25:33] this is where we're like maybe they
already know the system, but signage
[25:37] seems appropriate.
>> And I guess the only other question is
[25:42] if Uni Plank uh goes the way of outdoor
whatever like uh if if the tenant chang.
[25:49] » So I have a backup plan. I don't want to
get into that backup plan because it's
[25:52] going to be financially costly to me and
actually landlord should probably take
[25:55] care of it. But our side door does have
it is wide enough for ADA access. So we
[26:00] have a door that is located right here
on this concrete pad. We could do a
[26:05] walkway. So now there'll be a walkway
from this entrance to here. If Uniplank
[26:09] was to go away and I was not access the
building, that would be what I would
[26:12] propose to an landlord is that I get a
sidewalk that gives me that access right
[26:17] into the side. If I can make a
recommendation for an intermediate um
[26:22] addition to the resolution which would
just be that it is your obligation to
[26:25] come to us if that's okay in the event
that the change no longer gives you
[26:31] access.
>> Yeah.
[26:32] » My lease is only for two more years. He
has said he will extend it because of
[26:35] this.
>> He's with the amount of work he put into
[26:38] this. So um I've actually spoken to him
and it's probably going to be a future
[26:42] plan regardless because it just makes it
a second pathway for me. But right now,
[26:46] this is what we're holding to is the ADA
will use the front doors.
[26:49] » Mr. Chairman, can I just chime in on
that,
[26:51] » please?
>> So, if the ADA access is going to move
[26:53] to the rear, you're also going to have
to convert those standard parking stalls
[26:57] to ADA stalls. There have to be access
from those stalls through that door.
[27:01] » Yes. That it actually be right there
actually within the path would be right
[27:04] next to them.
>> No, I I just want you to realize that
[27:07] you may be losing some standard stalls
in place.
[27:11] » No, I do understand that.
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate
[27:16] » I just want to make sure I understand
this. You have here the student drop off
[27:20] area.
>> That's where the older children are
[27:23] being dropped off there.
>> The older children are being dropped off
[27:26] in the student drop off area. So, they
just drive the loop. Typically, a parent
[27:29] just drives the loop. They pull up to
the door and the kid fits out. They keep
[27:31] driving and they leave. Um or they park
in the front. Uh the minis are the ones
[27:35] using those back parking spots. Their
parents will drop them off, walk them
[27:39] in, get back in their car. Most of them
do not stay. if they're able to stay,
[27:42] but most most people just leave. They
just leave. Like that's just the way the
[27:45] program goes. They just drop and go.
They go have coffee. They go shopping
[27:48] with their girlfriend. They have dinner.
Like I am the babysitter for that 45
[27:51] minutes that those kids are there.
>> So what entrance are the older kids
[27:54] going?
>> The back end our main entrance which is
[27:56] the rear building
>> which is in the rear. Okay. So that
[27:58] means they have to walk walk along along
this pave. That's the drop off area.
[28:03] » No, no, no. They they would be what?
This is all
[28:07] » be here and they walk on strip. That's
completely blank. There's nothing there.
[28:11] » That's just a sign that's going to say
student drop off area, right? By the
[28:15] way,
>> it's a full striped area in front of the
[28:19] door that would say.
>> Yes.
[28:23] » So then technically all kids are going
to be dropped off in the back.
[28:25] » Yeah. Everybody get off the back.
>> The parents just don't park in the back.
[28:30] That's just a science
[snorts]
[28:34] [clears throat]
[28:38] » again. Back to the site plan.
>> Uh next to the rear parking lot, you
[28:42] have your uh sewage disposal area.
>> Mhm.
[28:45] » Uh and it said in the New York plan that
there was going to be traffic cones to
[28:49] there is traffic cones there.
>> I mean, what exactly that I mean, is
[28:52] that something that's permanent or we
talking those little tiny
[28:54] » I'm talking about cones and rope. That's
all we have is cones and rope in the
[28:57] winter. It's a non-issue. you cannot
possibly park up there because the
[28:59] amount of snow and ice and just is muddy
and they don't want to park there. It's
[29:03] just summertime that they like to hang
out with their friends. So, they were
[29:06] parking there. So, I roped it off um
because it's a big field plane field.
[29:10] So, they were parking there. So, I roped
it off so they could not damage the
[29:13] sewer or septic system. Um they've
actually declined with the rain. They
[29:17] haven't been parking back there.
[laughter]
[29:18] » Is is there anything we could do that's
maybe a little bit more permanent than
[29:21] that?
>> What would you like to see? What What
[29:24] would you
>> plus come up with something? So they're
[29:26] not This is all grass. So in order to I
want a sign.
[29:29] » What you don't want is someone just keep
driving right through parking right on
[29:33] top.
>> How about a sign that says they can't do
[29:34] it at all.
>> Well, that's that's almost like an
[29:36] invitation to do it. [laughter]
[29:40] » You want to hang out with that guy when
he was young. [laughter]
[29:44] » So we could do some kind of like a
landscape chain, you know,
[29:48] » landscape chain or something else. Just
something a little more sub substantial
[29:52] than the
>> the visual
[29:54] » that could be moved around fall down
[30:03] » an invitation.
>> Did you speak to my parents? That would
[30:06] be an invitation. [laughter]
>> She said not to. Let me try.
[30:11] » Uh just remind me uh your classes are
like they start out on a given hour,
[30:17] right?
>> Yes. Uh, and how many what's the maximum
[30:19] number of kids that you would have
arriving for that class?
[30:23] » They're all staggered. So, right now my
teams are between the numbers of I think
[30:27] my smallest team has seven on them and
my largest team has 18. So, they
[30:32] stagger. So, the team of seven might
arrive at 5, the next team might arrive
[30:35] at 5:15 with 12 more kids and then that
team leaves at 5:45. The six o'clock
[30:40] team comes in. So, I stagger the
schedule so that everybody's adjusted in
[30:43] the parking lot. Um, last year I didn't
have that ability because we started in
[30:47] a different building, but this year
knowing that I've been there already a
[30:50] year, I know the schedule. So, I have it
staggered so that I know there's enough
[30:53] time to drop off, get back in your car,
and leave and it's open up for the next
[30:57] set of parents coming in.
>> So, is there any thinking about
[31:01] expanding the class size?
>> Well, teams vary. So, our team's
[31:06] triyouts are start in May. The most I
can put on a team is 30. That is max
[31:09] that I could put on a team would be 30.
for this point of this season. We
[31:13] already started our teams. Our teams are
already going. It's very unlikely that
[31:15] they would increase that number.
People try out for teams by level. So,
[31:20] we have to have a certain amount of
children come in to want to do all our
[31:24] cheerleading that of a certain level.
Our choreography is already done. So,
[31:28] no.
>> Okay. My my only thought was, you know,
[31:31] 30 cars arriving that is at
>> if I if next season come May, I have a
[31:36] team of 30, I would be sure to make sure
the next team doesn't start till 30
[31:39] minutes later. So that those kids get
in, the other team comes in, it's a
[31:42] smaller team. I wouldn't put a team of
30 and a team of 30 together. [cough]
[31:47] [clears throat]
>> Thank you.
[31:51] » So I just have a couple questions
regarding the interior of the building.
[31:55] Mhm.
>> What is separating your space from unit
[31:59] plank space? That dotted line shown on
the plan. What exactly is that?
[32:03] » The first dotted line like dead center
>> to the wall that's between
[32:07] » Yep. This one. This Well, I'm telling
this first. This first dotted line going
[32:10] this way is a concrete wall. So, that is
a concrete wall that has a garage door
[32:14] and an emergency door dead center of it.
Um, the other wall is not complete yet.
[32:18] This is what we need to work on next.
It's going to be a fire rated sheetrock
[32:21] wall.
>> Okay. [clears throat]
[32:26] So neither one of those wall the the
first wall is in
[32:29] » the first wall is one of the right and
>> it just dead ends in the middle in the
[32:32] middle of the of the space.
>> Yes. And then it goes into a fire rated
[32:35] wall. So it's literally a box. So if you
walk into the facility, you walk in,
[32:39] it's a box.
>> Okay. I'm assuming that concrete wall is
[32:43] also fire rated obviously, right? It's
concrete block wall. It makes sense that
[32:47] it's a firewall.
>> Um
[32:50] the next question is a legal one. um
[32:56] that EDA accessible route that goes
through unit plank space. I I'm assuming
[33:02] that
[33:05] our attorney would want to see that
agreement and approve it
[33:10] » to to minimize risk on the town
approving something that may or may not
[33:15] be
[33:19] adequate for for to protect the town
from approving something that isn't
[33:23] adequate.
>> We can make that part of release, I
[33:26] think, would probably be the best way to
address that. Send a release to it and
[33:29] we can provide a copy.
[33:33] the neighboring tenant part of it.
>> Yeah. Yep. The tenant to your
[33:39] » Mhm.
>> Yep.
[33:43] » So, the the town attorney's approval
would be part of your lease.
[33:47] » No, we would we would provide that
language as an amendment to her lease,
[33:51] which is what the owner which is within
the plan for your terms of to confirm
[33:55] it's we have the rights.
>> I just I I just feel like
[33:58] » we're not just telling you we have the
rights. I just feel like our attorney
[34:01] should be approving any any agreement
that you put.
[34:04] » Yeah,
>> that's easy enough. Also,
[34:06] » I'll add that to the resolution as well.
>> I'll add that to the resolution as well.
[34:15] » That's all I have.
>> Do we have anyone from the public here
[34:19] for this public hearing?
[34:23] » Hi, Neil. [laughter]
[34:28] Uh, could I have a motion to open the
public hearing?
[34:31] » So moved.
>> Wait a second. Only one person.
[34:34] » Gio. Second by Phil.
>> Sure.
[34:36] » All in favor say I.
>> I.
[34:38] » Against.
>> Public hearing is open. Neil. The floor
[34:42] is yours.
>> Thank you. Uh, actually I'm speaking on
[34:44] behalf of the top. So
>> you
[34:49] off camera.
[34:57] » Uh, so we had a couple questions. I
think you really covered it pretty much
[35:01] with the parking. It's kind of you kind
of hit the question if they have 30
[35:05] people here and then 30 people here. So
how many how many total parking spaces
[35:08] do you really need if you're going to
have two two classes uh crossing at the
[35:13] same time? So maybe that you have 30 and
30 have 60 parking spaces. I just have
[35:17] to you'll I'm sure we take care of that.
The other thing I I heard tonight was
[35:20] that uh there may be parking in the
front of the building in which case I
[35:24] think there's no no light along the side
of the building to walk that uh from the
[35:29] front of the building to the back of the
building. Uh I know Gio's probably going
[35:32] to hit that. Nobody gets worried about
that lighting. That's right. I'm aware
[35:35] of that. Uh so that's that's another
concern. The other big concern we had or
[35:40] the more significant concern probably is
the total number of people and the total
[35:44] uh su uh sewer usage or waste water
usage and whether or not the uh the
[35:50] septic system is uh closed for that. I'm
not really worried about the overall
[35:55] we're not really worried about the
overall water usage. It's still going to
[35:57] be very minimal compared to a house. Uh
however the septic system may not have
[36:00] been designed for that. Uh and then the
last thing is just uh some having some
[36:05] kind of marking for a fire lane around
the building. Uh there's going to be a
[36:09] lot of people parking and traveling
through there. Uh I don't know if have a
[36:13] painted on on the top on the ground or
not, but there needs to be a way for
[36:17] emergency vehicles to get around the
entire building if it was ever needed.
[36:21] So just that would be helpful.
>> All right. Thank you.
[36:25] » Next,
>> Ross. Was the septic system evaluated
[36:30] between the two uh uses?
>> Correct. Yep. With it in full use, we
[36:34] added 300 gallons to the system to check
the system and it was operating
[36:38] properly.
>> Thank you. Anyone else from the public,
[36:45] » Frank?
>> Yeah, just uh I appreciate the the
[36:48] discussion on ADA compliance. Um and
Ross mentioned architect. So, uh just to
[36:53] backtrack a little bit, you know, Uni
Plank went into this building. It used
[36:57] to be the uh the school place European
Outdoors uh without a permit through the
[37:02] building department attention. Uh they
got their approved site plan. They
[37:06] applied for a permit but uh everything
kind of got [clears throat]
[37:10] the CDA [snorts] extreme came. I
couldn't finalize the review for the
[37:14] permit for the Munich plank because it
got a little complicated with the mixes
[37:20] firewall ADA things like that. So
they they are aware they need to apply
[37:26] for a permit. They don't even have an
application yet for the CDA. So an
[37:30] application comes in. I don't know if
they're going to use the same people as
[37:33] UniFlank for us. Uh if you could
>> Unifi is the one that's going to handle
[37:37] » hand the application and the permits and
all that. That's this was my job.
[37:41] » Yeah. Okay. Good. [laughter]
>> That's your job.
[37:44] » I'm doing my job. He has to do his job
now and get this building the way it's
[37:47] supposed to be. I I could uh you know um
put a phone call in just to just to
[37:51] remind everybody they're expecting it.
>> Yes. Okay. So
[37:53] » they asked me what the next step was and
I said that they're with you.
[37:56] » Yeah. So they should they should start
submitting uh you know drawings for the
[37:59] inside. How are we going to get it to
comply specifically the ADA concerns?
[38:03] » I would like to be kept in the loop if
you don't mind just because I want to
[38:06] know what's happening. But
>> yes, you should speak to the owner and
[38:09] their design team.
>> Yes.
[38:10] » Okay.
>> And um a lot of these questions will be
[38:13] answered. Right. It's uh guidelines like
the ICC 117.1 that's standards for
[38:19] accessibility and usable buildings and
facilities. All that stuff is we talked
[38:23] about is in that guideline. Uh chapter
11 I believe of the building code is
[38:28] talks about accessibility. Uh so the
plans have to reflect all that. All the
[38:32] applicable sections permit will
eventually be issued. Certificate of
[38:36] occupancy will eventually be issued and
this this is like standard but we we got
[38:40] to take it one step at a time.
That's
[38:44] » Can you um describe what's the inside of
the unit?
[38:48] » I I can't answer that. I have not been
in that building in quite some time. So,
[38:53] I don't know what's going on in there.
It's like Ross said, you know, so the
[38:57] design team will have to put it on
paper, issue the permit, we'll do the
[39:01] inspections accordingly.
>> Yeah. All right. Yeah.
[39:05] Yeah. Uh, obviously you've got a lot of
work to do with Frank and
[39:10] » I I I didn't mean to suggest that that
what we're talking about should be the
[39:14] end of it. Like if if this route is
through an industrial facility,
[39:19] » like that probably doesn't work for
building.
[39:22] » There's codes for that. Yes.
>> But we need that. We knew that Frank has
[39:25] to come in and that line I've also made
him very aware that Frank still has to
[39:28] come in and make the final approvals on
building itself.
[39:32] » What could be the maximum number of
uh cage, coach chiefs, administrative
[39:39] people on site at any one time
>> on my side only.
[39:44] » And your project
>> 50
[39:47] » 50
>> that's what we've calculated for the
[39:49] season. So I did my teams I added my
teams together and I had my coaches
[39:51] together and we're up to max it's
technically 40
[39:59] Neil mentioned that um some of the
parking is going to be in the front of
[40:02] the building. Um you guys think about
possibly putting a park walkway to the
[40:08] back to your entrance from the front.
>> So, I did not because we don't have them
[40:12] walk I would don't want them walking
from the back to the front. If we don't
[40:14] need them to have them walking from the
back to the front if we were to expand
[40:17] and that parking lot turns into an
actual drop off that they have to walk
[40:21] from the back to the front, then yes, I
will talk to the landlord about putting
[40:24] in a walkway. But at this point in time,
the parking in the back really is
[40:27] sufficient enough. It's never It's full,
yes, but it's sufficient enough that
[40:31] everybody gets a parking spot. They can
do what they have to do. do they bring
[40:34] their kids and they come out. It still
works. Now, say we grow, right? That's
[40:39] the point of a business. Hopefully, we
do grow and if that turns into we're no
[40:43] longer using it as an overflow parking
and just a drop off, then that would be
[40:46] a discussion. And if you want to add
that somewhere that if we do grow and we
[40:50] still have people walking that we add
that in, I will speak to him about doing
[40:52] that.
>> There probably going to be employees
[40:55] that walk them, right?
>> No, they park. We don't have many
[40:58] employees. There's eight of us total,
>> right? But
[41:02] do the employees park in the Is there a
lot in the back?
[41:04] » Yeah, they park in the back of the
>> lot.
[41:12] I would like to see some kind of walk.
They're not walking.
[41:22] Other comments.
[41:27] Anyone else from the public wish to
speak?
[41:31] Not. Can I have a motion then to close
the public hearing?
[41:35] » Second by second
bill. All in favor say I.
[41:42] » Hearing is
[41:47] next.
[41:51] » Yes. Based on the comments today, we can
revise the resolution and circulate
[42:01] Can Can we go through it tonight?
Approve it with those
[42:05] » I would suggest you do that so the
opportunity to come back.
[42:08] » Right. Yes.
>> And then we'll just add those additional
[42:10] comments that were spoken on tonight as
additional specific details.
[42:15] » Correct.
>> So [clears throat] if you could just go
[42:17] through that with us
[42:22] the draft as it is now.
>> Yes, please. [cough and clears throat]
[42:28] If I may
first line before you go beyond that,
[42:34] it should apply to CDA training center
on behalf of 2596
[42:42] and their respective success successes
in science.
[42:55] » [snorts]
[42:59] » you in the banner. Was it the banner or
the first line of the narrative?
[43:02] » That's on the application. So, sorry.
Okay. The narrative. Okay.
[43:25] Um, Mr. Chairman, what would you like me
to do to read the just to go through
[43:30] what I'm finding
>> the specific conditions?
[43:33] » Yeah, we we have to uh Well, obviously
the public hearing is closed that that
[43:36] bold disappears, but the specific
conditions.
[43:45] Okay, specific conditions.
Number one, Prior to signing of the
[43:50] plans, the applicant shall a comply with
the memorandum of the town engineer
[43:55] dated July 10th, 2026 to the
satisfaction of the town engineer.
[44:03] B. Revise the hours of operations listed
on the plan to comply with the narrative
[44:08] report.
C. Revise the plan to include
[44:12] information on the proposed
modifications to the existing monument
[44:17] sign.
[44:20] D is the one we spoke about as far as a
little bit more permanent monies to
[44:26] prevent uh access if there were access
on the subject. Is that fold clean?
[44:34] » Yep. Yes.
Uh, two, prior to issuance of a
[44:40] certificate of occupancy, the applicant
shall a verify with the building
[44:46] inspector that the ADA accessible route
complies with the New York State
[44:50] existing building code. If it is
determined by the building inspector
[44:55] that a ramp or other feature is required
for ADA access, these features shall be
[45:01] installed prior to issuance of the
certificate by concealment.
[45:07] B. Install striping and directional
signage associated with the student drop
[45:13] off and parking to the satisfaction of
the building inspector.
[45:19] C. Install striping and signage.
Example, no parking any time
[45:26] along one, the driveway accessing the
rear parking lot and two, the paved
[45:33] drive along the rear of the site to the
satisfaction of the building inspector.
[45:40] D, remove the existing storage container
located adjacent to the rear parking
[45:45] area.
E. Verify the building inspector that
[45:49] the restroom facilities associated with
the proposed recreational business
[45:55] comply with the New York State existing
building code.
[46:00] F. Verify with the building inspector
that the existing lighting complies with
[46:05] the town code.
G. Submit to the building department
[46:10] confirmation of approval from the New
York State Department of Health for
[46:15] proposed uses of public water supply.
[46:21] » You were getting
[46:27] » Yeah, I had suggested that Mr. Ch. So,
this plan actually shows the
[46:30] landscaping. It's consistent with the
plan that was approved by Unifi, but
[46:34] last time I checked the site, the
landscaping wasn't in. So, I didn't know
[46:37] if this board wanted to make this a
condition of this action. Uh, just to
[46:40] ensure that that landscaping gets in
because I was unaware until that plan
[46:45] was.
>> So, the landscape that's required to put
[46:49] that back on your land, correct?
>> That's back on my
[46:51] » Yeah.
>> So, if you could tell him that was on
[46:53] his original plan and that'd be great.
>> Yeah. He knows it's on his original plan
[46:58] and you can just reference. No, I don't
even think you need to reference it. I
[47:01] think we can remove it as long okay with
that and then the landscape wouldn't be
[47:04] under the last year.
>> Okay, that works.
[47:09] » Did we have one?
>> Gio and I both had similar sort of legal
[47:14] requests which was one that the
applicant has to return to the board if
[47:19] they lose access to the front ADA
access. Uh and I think Gio suggested
[47:25] that the additions the amendments to the
lease will be sent to the town.
[47:32] » So can we do that after Frank approves
it? So once Frank the Frank says no then
[47:36] that's a mute point. So once Frank
approves it then I will amend the lease
[47:39] and send that in. Does that sound okay?
>> Prior to CO.
[47:43] » Yes. Prior to the CO.
>> Yes. provide a copy
[47:48] » because me to amend the me amending the
lease and then he doesn't approve it
[47:51] makes no sense. If he says I need to do
something else, then the lander is going
[47:54] to have to do something else.
>> I think that I think that would come to
[47:58] light upon the issuance of a permit,
right? So the design team, the architect
[48:02] has to propose what's going what's to be
built. I have to approve it.
[48:05] » So if you approve it and you say it's
okay, then I'll put it in amendment that
[48:08] if we ever lose access to it because the
[snorts] tenant changes it for whatever
[48:11] reason that we will
[48:17] » [clears throat]
>> Did we miss any conditions that we
[48:20] spoke?
>> I think we had talked about a detailed
[48:24] dismissal procedure to be written should
be satisfactory to council and to
[48:31] buildings.
I missed part
[48:35] » a detailed dismissal procedure
>> satisfactory to council or to building
[48:42] inspector
and
[48:46] I think we also said that
>> be no competition
[48:49] » there was a staggered uh and supervised
>> right
[48:53] » right
>> and we we did say that there there would
[48:58] be practices but no competitions
>> at the facility
[49:03] » just to go back when you talked about
the detailed dismissal procedure. Is
[49:07] that dismissal
arrival procedure?
[49:11] » SL.
[49:15] It's a safety issue.
>> Absolutely.
[49:18] » So the dismissal is really falling in in
line with like means of egress which the
[49:22] architect will show the egress path.
>> Well, it's it's that but also that
[49:26] there's supervision when they actually
leave the facility on the way to the
[49:30] vehicles.
>> So, okay. So maybe a submission of of
[49:34] policy and procedures on that.
>> I'm just going to expand on the
[49:36] narrative. I did a what we did with the
little ones. I'll just do what we do
[49:38] with the older ones. [laughter]
>> Just [clears throat] a narrative of of
[49:41] some type to
>> easy.
[49:44] » So I just want to make sure of time. So
that requirement since it includes the
[49:49] architect, I would recommend it be
condition. Is that acceptable? This
[49:54] dismissal plan be prior to CO?
>> Yeah, that would make sense.
[49:57] » Who am I submitting it to? Who would
like to receive that? I would submit
[50:01] everything to the building department.
Okay.
[50:02] » And then distribute it to whoever needs
to be.
[50:05] » All right. Thank you.
>> Any other issues
[50:11] regarding the resolution?
>> We want to put a cap or maximum cap of
[50:17] attendees, participants,
uh staff,
[50:24] yeah, whatever the numbers.
>> So, so again, that would be uh as part
[50:27] of the uh code, right? number of
occupants.
[50:30] » The architect will determine the size of
the space. Okay.
[50:33] » The use and uh that'll determine the
number of occupants.
[50:37] » It's the space and also the facilities,
water and sewage.
[50:40] » Water and sewage
>> towards being able to meet that number.
[50:43] » Okay.
>> Any other concerns?
[50:48] No. If not, then could I have a motion
to approve the resolution of conditional
[50:52] approval of rent site plan expression
permit for CBA extreme training center
[50:57] otherwise known as two 2596
go LLC as modified this evening.
[51:05] » I'll make the motion.
>> Marty second by seconded.
[51:09] » G all in favor say I.
>> I against.
[51:13] » Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
[51:15] » Thank you. Have a good night.
>> You too.
[51:18] Good luck.
>> Thank you.
[51:40] Next item on the agenda is a von Pence
subdivision 4-1-18.
[51:45] an application for small-scale
subdivision and site plan approval
[51:49] consisting of two residential lots on
7.4 plus or minus acres along Hasbrook
[51:54] Road. Are you zoned with AQ6 and Scenic
Road quarter overlays? And again, we're
[51:59] here tonight for a public hearing.
[52:04] » Welcome.
>> Good evening. [clears throat] I'm uh Jim
[52:08] Dylan and I'm are representing the Von
Pence subdivision.
[52:13] uh for the public's uh that's here. It
is a [clears throat] 7.4 acre parcel.
[52:19] We're proposing to do a smallcale
development.
[52:23] Uh there's one existing home on lot
number one which is a single family
[52:29] residential home and we're proposing to
do a new lot which is two little over
[52:35] two acres which is lot number two
um which would have a single family
[52:41] home. Uh we're proposing to put a new
well and septic in. We've done uh well
[52:47] tests
according to the small scale development
[52:51] where being in the AQ6
we're not supplying the six acres. We're
[52:57] supplying two acres which is required
which we're allowed to do if we do well
[53:02] testing. Uh we're going to have a
driveway out onto uh Asvic Road. Uh
[53:08] we're going to be dedicating property
along the entire roadway.
[53:12] » Offering for dedication
>> offer offer offering for dedication. Uh
[53:17] a 25 ft strip from the center line of
the road. Um and that's basically the
[53:24] application. It's very simple
application. It's a subdivision to
[53:27] create one more new building.
>> The uh driveway access been reviewed by
[53:32] the town.
They they they've given them a permit to
[53:37] put the driveway in already. Sean has
some questions [snorts] that we're going
[53:41] to address. I think that's in the uh
which we're going to be able to address.
[53:46] The driveway is actually been put in.
They had to drill the well access
[53:52] » and uh
that's all set.
[53:58] » Sure.
>> So, Mr. Chairman, this is an application
[54:00] for subdivision as well as site plan
because uh the application was in
[54:04] corridor. Uh you had reviewed this at
your um August 6 meeting. At that time
[54:11] you adopted part two
scheduations
[54:17] from Frank relative to the storage uh
building and the driveway setbacking
[54:26] issues. Um so again this is listed this
evening for public hearing. However
[54:31] since it's a subdivision [clears throat]
if you need to act on the negative
[54:34] declaration
[54:40] everyone's got the for them
had an opportunity to look at it. Any
[54:47] comments?
[54:58] See going
>> nothing.
[55:00] » Bill,
>> nothing.
[55:03] » No comments.
>> No comments. Okay. Okay. I have a motion
[55:06] and to approve the NE deck as prepared.
>> So moved.
[55:10] » Gio second by
>> second.
[55:13] » Bill. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[55:17] » Okay.
[55:24] Do we have anyone from the public here
for this application?
[55:28] » Neil
[55:31] pass. [laughter]
>> Thank you.
[55:34] » Nobody from the public. Okay. Well, I'll
open up the public hearing in any event.
[55:40] Can I have a motion?
>> Eric. Second by
[55:44] » Seconded.
>> Who is that?
[55:49] » Okay. Second by Marty. [snorts]
All in favor say I.
[55:52] » I.
>> I.
[55:53] » Opposed. Public hearing is open. Any
comments from the board?
[56:03] » No.
>> Last chance for the public.
[56:07] I have a motion then to close the public
hearing.
[56:11] So move.
[56:14] » Second by Bill. All in favor say I. I.
[56:21] Public hearing is closed. We have a
draft resolution before us.
[56:26] We should go through that as well.
[56:34] You're up.
>> Okay. Any draft resolution before you?
[56:40] The specific conditions.
>> Before we get to the specific
[56:42] conditions, I just had one item I wanted
to add to it on the identification
[56:46] plans.
[56:50] The short form EAF part two wasn't
listed.
[56:56] [snorts]
It was dated July 31st of this year.
[57:05] July 31st
this year.
[57:08] » Yes. July 31st.
[57:12] » Question. The dedication of the 25 foot
long road.
[57:16] » Yes.
What made you do that? Why do you build?
[57:20] » Well, it's a Yeah, standard procedure.
Otherwise, we'd own out into the middle
[57:24] of the road. Uh
you you actually the town automatically
[57:29] already has not a fee taken, but they
have a right away to use it anyway. Uh
[57:35] by state law,
>> because you right,
[57:37] » right? We own that.
[57:42] So instead of having it right away, you
have
[57:45] to do that same kind of successes and
after the
[57:53] both tells us and their successes
and after the
[58:07] Any
[58:16] findings, Mr. Chairman?
[58:22] » Findings. Planning board has determined
that approval of this minor subdivision
[58:27] and site plan will protect and promote
public health, safety, comfort,
[58:32] convenience.
>> Oh, you don't have to read that part.
[58:34] That's what we're just just the bold.
The
[58:40] the planning board further finds in
accordance with the requirements for the
[58:44] scenic road corridor overlay district
that this project will not result in the
[58:49] degragation of scenic character. It will
aesthetically will be aesthetically
[58:55] compatible with its surroundings. It
will minimize the removal of native
[59:00] vegetation except where such removal may
be necessary to open up scenic views and
[59:06] panoramas
and will locate and cluster buildings
[59:10] and other structures in a manner that
minimizes their visibility from the road
[59:16] to the extent practical. that that
paragraph when we say that we're uh
[59:20] accepting a removal maybe yesterday for
scenic views and backgrounds should we
[59:24] also include in there to maintain sight
distances in the driveway is that
[59:28] something
>> I think it would be appropriate because
[59:32] in this instance yeah
[59:36] » okay
[59:50] The planning board further finds that
the project presents a proper case for
[59:55] requiring a park or parks suitably
located for playgrounds or other
[1:00:01] recreational purposes. But suitable
suitable parks for rec recreation areas
[1:00:07] of adequate size to meet this
requirement cannot be properly located
[1:00:12] on the site requiring a [snorts] payment
of a parkland fee to be determined by
[1:00:18] the town board in li of providing such
parkland.
[1:00:24] Pursuant to code section 83-9B,
[1:00:29] the planning board has waved the
requirement to plant street trees along
[1:00:34] New York State Route 207.
Such trees are unnecessary as the area
[1:00:41] is wooded and the existing vegetation is
to be retained.
[1:00:52] » [snorts]
[1:01:08] » Welcome to specific conditions, please.
[1:01:16] Number one, prior to signing of the plat
by the chairman, the applicant shall a
[1:01:23] revise the plans to include a
calculation of the impervious surface
[1:01:27] coverage, noting the code requires
imperous surface coverage to be
[1:01:33] calculated after wetlands and flood
planes are deducted from the gross area.
[1:01:40] Pursuant to code section 8322B
2Q
[1:01:47] B. Revise the plat in accordance with
the July 31st,
[1:01:51] 2026 memorandum of the town engineer to
the satisfaction of the town engineer.
[1:01:58] C. provide confirmation from the
building inspector that the large
[1:02:03] structure adjacent to the southerntherly
lot line of lot number one labeled
[1:02:10] storage building is not being used for
residential purposes.
[1:02:15] Before any residential occupancy of the
building, the applicant must return to
[1:02:20] the town for additional approvals. Was
>> that town planning board?
[1:02:25] » Yeah. to the town who
[1:02:30] should be returned to the town
board for its consideration
[1:02:35] of
[1:02:45] D. Confirm to the satisfaction of the
town engineer that
[1:02:52] ash to
stopping site distance and intersection
[1:02:57] site distance requirements are satisfied
in both east and west directions and
[1:03:03] revised the plan showing the clearance
of existing vegetation along the site
[1:03:09] line to the west
prior to the issuance of a certificate
[1:03:14] of occupancy. The applicant shall
confirm the site distances after
[1:03:19] vegetation clearing.
[1:03:24] E. Provide an offer of dedication
for the 0.62 acre parcel along the
[1:03:32] southerntherly side of Hazbrook Road to
the town for highway purposes and
[1:03:38] revised the plat to show the same. Such
dedication documents shall be in a form
[1:03:45] acceptable to the town attorney.
[1:03:50] Two, could I'm sorry, could I raise a
question?
[1:03:53] » Sure. Uh some of these requirements
that we're talking about are going to be
[1:04:00] after the planning of the chairman's
housing
[1:04:08] like prior to the issuance of a
certificate of occupy the applicant
[1:04:14] shall confirm site distance and
vegetation clearing.
[1:04:18] We're not going to do any of that until
we get an approved site plan
[1:04:26] and we file a map and we do do all the
things. That's something when we start
[1:04:30] construction that we'll do.
>> We're not going to clear that first.
[1:04:35] » That's why it says
>> that's why I'm CO.
[1:04:38] » That's a CO
>> certificate of occupancy. So that's
[1:04:42] after everything's done. The house is
built.
[1:04:43] » Well, this is listed as before you sign
the back. Yes,
[1:04:47] » I thought I thought start
>> it is but it saves having another
[1:04:50] condition. It's just it's like a
compound condition. You have one part to
[1:04:54] do before getting that sign and then you
have to do the second part before
[1:04:57] getting
>> okay but it's just listed as before
[1:05:01] signing the first statement is
>> would you feel more comfortable we added
[1:05:05] another condition?
>> No, I just maybe put it in under general
[1:05:11] conditions.
>> No, okay.
[1:05:13] » It's not a general condition for this
application.
[1:05:16] » Okay.
We can add it as a different condition
[1:05:19] if it causes some confusion.
>> I I I know we have to do it, but it
[1:05:24] seems like it's we it seems like we have
to do it before we sign
[1:05:30] like to just add it later, [cough]
you know, break it apart.
[1:05:43] » Putting that 17
[1:05:56] going back to
the app
[1:06:00] form is acceptable attorney.
[1:06:09] I look back at some past that last three
or four times. Okay.
[1:06:15] » [clears throat]
[1:06:18] » Okay. [snorts] Number two, prior to
issuance of a building permit, the
[1:06:23] applicant shall demonstrate to the
satisfaction of the building inspector
[1:06:27] that the plan will comply with
landscaping, architecture, and fencing
[1:06:32] requirements of code sections 97-29
GH and I.
[1:06:41] Three, prior to the issuance of a
certificate of occupancy, the applicant
[1:06:46] shall chlorinate the lot number two
water supply well and provide a negative
[1:06:53] total colifform laboratory test to the
building department.
[1:07:01] Four, prior to any site disturbance, the
limits of clearing and disturbance shall
[1:07:08] be shown on the plan and shall be
identified in the field with appropriate
[1:07:13] signage, flagging, and/or fencing that
is posted conspicuously on the site to
[1:07:20] the satisfaction of the building
inspector.
[1:07:25] Five, prior to the issuance of a
building permit, the shed labeled shed
[1:07:32] to be relocated
shall be relocated so that it is not
[1:07:37] within the required 30foot front yard
setback pursuant to code section 974AF.
[1:07:47] Six, the installation of any on-site
sewage disposal system shall be observed
[1:07:55] during construction by the town engineer
if requested by the building inspector
[1:08:02] and then there will be a new sentence
seven
[1:08:07] park.
>> Is there anything that [cough]
[1:08:11] [clears throat] you need to add?
>> No, it's pretty thorough. Thank you,
[1:08:15] » Mr. [snorts] Chairman. Any other
concerns from the board?
[1:08:21] If not, then could I have a motion to
approve the resolution of conditional
[1:08:25] preliminary and final approval minor
subdivision and site plan for Rover and
[1:08:30] Theresa Von Pence, etc. Uh, as modified
this even
[1:08:38] » bill second by Phil.
All in favor say I.
[1:08:42] » I.
>> Against.
[1:08:45] » Okay.
Thank you very much.
[1:08:47] » Have a good night.
[1:09:11] Next item on the agenda
is Marte Holdings Group LLC.
[1:09:26] Yeah,
[1:09:33] » you look at the wrong agenda.
I'm sorry. [laughter]
[1:09:38] » Been a long night. Okay,
>> then it's going to get long. [laughter]
[1:09:44] » Plans, Jim.
>> Not anymore.
[1:09:47] » Next one on the agenda is IWS
transportation. Ocean Transport Station
[1:09:51] upgrades 12-1-20,
21.21,
[1:09:56] and 21.22.
Application for a site plan and special
[1:10:01] permit for modifications to an existing
solid waste management facility on 7.3
[1:10:06] plus or minus acres along Hartley Road
in Izzone and AQ6 overlay. And we're
[1:10:12] here tonight again for public hearing.
First off, do we have anyone here for
[1:10:19] this public hearing?
I see a couple hands up. Very good.
[1:10:23] Okay. So, if you could just give uh a
brief description of what's
[1:10:29] » Yes.
>> being proposed. Yes.
[1:10:31] » Yep. So, we're here to get reapproval um
for a site plan to build a 9,345
[1:10:40] square foot addition to the existing
transfer station building, a 430 foot um
[1:10:47] mechanical room, a 65,000galon water
storage tank. Um,
[1:10:53] in in support of the uh existing
transfer station operations, um, we
[1:10:59] recently received an ADB solid waste
permit from the town board uh to accept
[1:11:04] up to 670 tons of MSW and CND. We're
currently
[1:11:11] » no longer the recyclables. Correct.
>> No longer recyclables. Correct. Yes. And
[1:11:14] we're before we're working with the DE
New York State DEEC with that uh permit
[1:11:20] renewal/modification.
Um and that's that's basically where
[1:11:25] we're at. Um they didn't have any
comments. The DEC did not have any
[1:11:28] comments on our proposed um site plan
and and modifications. Uh little
[1:11:35] technical details on the engineering
report and um facility manual, just
[1:11:40] verbiage, whatnot. So
>> yeah. Thank you.
[1:11:45] And and what you see here is what was
approved back in February of 2024.
[1:11:57] » We
we we received approval site plan
[1:12:02] approval and special permit approval
from the planning board back in February
[1:12:06] of 2024. Okay. It expired.
>> It expired.
[1:12:08] » So what you see here is what you
approved back in February. just tweaked
[1:12:13] » minor minor minor little tweaks.
Nothing. Yeah.
[1:12:17] » What what what did we end up coming up
with with the height of the water tower?
[1:12:21] » It's 40 ft.
>> It is 40 ft.
[1:12:25] » And that's what's on the on the on the
plan right now as well.
[1:12:28] » Okay.
[snorts]
[1:12:32] » 22.
[clears throat]
[1:12:35] » So, Mr. Chairman, this is as the
applicant indicated, it's a reapproved,
[1:12:38] right? So they were before you in 23 and
24 which culminated in site 10 special
[1:12:44] use permit approval on February 29th
2024. Um one of your conditions required
[1:12:50] them to go to the town and either obtain
solid waste management permit or obtain
[1:12:54] confirmation from the town board it was
required. Town board determined that it
[1:12:58] was required. They have since obtain
that permit. Uh in the time that it took
[1:13:03] them to do that their site plan special
permit uh extensions have been
[1:13:06] exhausted. So they are applying to do
again essentially for the same
[1:13:10] application. There are some minor
modifications made. Some of those
[1:13:14] modifications were requested by the town
board. There's four storage added. The
[1:13:18] height of tank was changed location and
was last discussed at your August 6
[1:13:24] meeting.
>> And the 40 foot tower that falls within
[1:13:31] 45 ft. 45. Okay.
[clears throat]
[1:13:37] Comments from the board.
[1:13:49] » Nothing.
>> Nothing.
[1:13:52] » Okay.
I will open up the meeting to the
[1:13:56] public. I'm a motion.
I'll make
[1:14:01] » Marty second by
[1:14:06] » Eric. All in favor say I.
>> I
[1:14:09] » against.
>> Okay. Anyone from the public who wishes
[1:14:12] to speak, just raise your hand. We'll
recognize you. If you could give us your
[1:14:16] name and your address and your concern,
please
[1:14:32] chairman and members of the planning
board.
[1:14:36] The purpose in submitting the following
comments is to request that the planning
[1:14:41] board fully examine the existing and
historical operations
[1:14:47] of the IWS transfer systems on Hartley
Road.
[1:14:53] the properties being used in connection
with those operations.
[1:14:58] The facilities documented,
storm order history,
[1:15:04] the prior town approval
[1:15:09] and seeker findings
and the relationship of all those
[1:15:14] matters to the application presently
before the board.
[1:15:19] The documents discussed
raise significant questions regarding
[1:15:24] the actual operation footprint of this
facility.
[1:15:30] I respectfully ask the board to consider
the following before granting the final
[1:15:37] approval or making a determination.
[1:15:42] This applicant should provide
the complete prior planning board
[1:15:48] approval
including the prior resolution,
[1:15:54] conditional approval,
approved site plan and all conditions
[1:15:59] attached to that approval.
If the present application
[1:16:05] is being treated as the modification,
renewal, or continuation of a previously
[1:16:13] approved project, the planning board and
the public should be able to make a
[1:16:20] direct comparison
between what was previously approved and
[1:16:26] what is now proposed.
such as
[1:16:32] the property previously approved, the
previously approved operational
[1:16:38] footprint,
the building location,
[1:16:41] truck circulation,
trailer storage areas, parking,
[1:16:48] storm water facilities,
leshaped control facilities,
[1:16:54] approved paved areas, and all conditions
imposed. by the town.
[1:17:01] Without those documents, it is difficult
for the public to determine exactly what
[1:17:09] has changed.
[snorts] It is my understanding that the
[1:17:14] conditional site plan was approved by
the planning board on February 29th,
[1:17:20] 2024.
That plan should be made part of the
[1:17:25] current application record.
The applicant should provide a side
[1:17:31] byside comparison between that
conditional site plan and the present
[1:17:37] proposal showing all changes in parcel
boundaries,
[1:17:42] acreage, building footprint, truck base,
truck circulation,
[1:17:49] parking, trailer storage, snow storage,
storm water facilities, leech
[1:17:55] facilities, and the use of the adjacent
property.
[1:18:00] The applicant should identify parcel
that is currently being used,
[1:18:06] proposed to be used, leased,
controlled, or otherwise relied upon in
[1:18:14] connection with the transfer station
operation.
[1:18:20] For each parcel, the applicant should
identify tax map number, acreage, owner,
[1:18:29] IWS's legal right to use the property,
existing use, proposed use,
[1:18:38] whether the parcel was included in a
prior planning board approval, and
[1:18:43] whether it is included within the
current solid waste permit,
[1:18:48] and whether It is included within the
current storm water permit and swap.
[1:18:55] This information should be shown on one
comprehensive map.
[1:19:01] [snorts]
Next, I'd like to introduce Sue Cleaver
[1:19:05] and she will address her concerns on
this application.
[1:19:08] » I would normally recognize Sue.
[laughter]
[1:19:11] » That's my job.
>> Okay.
[1:19:13] » Sue, would you like to step up and
speak?
[1:19:24] Good evening. Is it okay if I approach
the board to give you copies of a
[1:19:29] written from a protect concern
resident's way of life? It's not for
[1:19:33] profit.
>> I would say give it to the building
[1:19:36] department. They'll distribute it.
>> Okay.
[1:19:38] » It's not it's not where we're going to
be able to read it on the spot now
[1:19:41] anyway.
[1:19:49] Sorry.
[1:20:06] I tried to shorten the comments
[clears throat]
[1:20:09] um were made in there because it's
friendly. Um I have um I copied an
[1:20:16] email. I'd like to read part of it from
DEEC and it says DEEC is aware that IWS
[1:20:23] ocean transfer station operations
extend beyond the 95 partly road
[1:20:29] property.
>> What when was this written? What's the
[1:20:31] date of the correspondence?
[1:20:40] » March 4th.
>> Okay.
[1:20:43] um
>> of this year.
[1:20:45] » Yes,
that to me is um very troubling.
[1:20:50] Um
there have been pictures of the property
[1:20:55] in the back and I believe and I think
I've also submitted um complaints to the
[1:21:02] building inspector because of no cover
over top of some of the trailers that
[1:21:08] are there. a property is not paved, it's
dirt.
[1:21:14] And I'm going to explain to you why in
just a minute.
[1:21:19] [clears throat]
[1:21:24] Um
property behind besides and crosses
[1:21:28] street that is used for trucks,
trailers, containers, equipment, snow
[1:21:34] access and other support supported
activities should be disclosed and
[1:21:38] refused reviewed as part of the actual
trans transfer station. Snow stores
[1:21:45] that's on the shown on the back
property. If if snow from industrial
[1:21:50] site is stored on the joining or lease
property, the board should know where it
[1:21:54] goes,
where the meltaway drains to, and what
[1:21:59] controls prevent sediment and other
pollutants from reaching groundwater or
[1:22:04] surface water or other people's property
that might abut.
[1:22:09] Lease property. If the proposed
operation depends on a le on lease land,
[1:22:14] the board should determine what happens
if the lease ends and whether the
[1:22:18] facility could still operate under the
approval being requested.
[1:22:25] » I'll turn the truck for a moment.
They have to come before the town
[1:22:32] on an annual basis to renew the permit.
>> There is a renewal solid waste
[1:22:36] management permit. I don't think five
years. So if if the lease were to lapse
[1:22:41] on the adjacent property holders that
are letting them use the property
[1:22:46] that has to be reviewed with any uh
>> I would think so
[1:22:52] » renewal of their permit.
>> It would make sense that the tempor part
[1:22:55] of the reissuance is
>> so we would need to make sure that those
[1:23:00] properties are cited in the permit.
>> Yes.
[1:23:04] » Okay.
Um facility boundaries um applicant
[1:23:10] should clear thelyorally distinguish the
per permitted facility, the IWS own
[1:23:15] land, the lease land, operational land,
trailer and container areas, storm water
[1:23:20] areas, and any property claimed to be
outside the application. Um your
[1:23:26] application went from, I believe, under
three acres to over seven. Where's the
[1:23:32] rest of the property? You're saying that
it's a very minor deal with
[1:23:37] modification, but it's more than doubled
in size.
[1:23:40] » Where where did the seven come from? I
saw that.
[1:23:42] » I don't know.
>> It's on your It's on your
[1:23:44] » It's on your agenda.
>> Yeah. And it's been on it
[1:23:47] » cuz cuz we're ending a quarter I think
it was a quarter acre adjacent.
[1:23:51] » Yeah.
>> But I didn't see any other lands. I
[1:23:53] don't know where the seven
>> I don't know. I'm asking you and I'm
[1:23:57] asking
>> that way. It's it's coming from the
[1:24:00] agenda.
>> Yeah.
[1:24:01] » That number's coming from there. Okay,
chairman. I I prepare the agendas for
[1:24:04] the town. I can tell you where that came
from. Okay.
[1:24:06] » So, I copy and paste from previous uh
agendas. So, I'm guessing that at one
[1:24:12] point in time, I'd have to look back at
all the agendas that went on. At one
[1:24:16] point in time, that was the original
by
[1:24:21] changed and I can change the agenda. So,
that
[1:24:24] » So, it's not seven.
>> No, no. I that that I think that that
[1:24:30] goes way back. We have three plus
>> it's three acres but we do lease a small
[1:24:34] area from the from if you remember Mr.
Chairman, when this was before you in
[1:24:40] 2023, the applicant was proposing school
order on the subject,
[1:24:43] » right?
>> We were
[1:24:45] so that's why
>> I had just never updated the agenda.
[1:24:48] » Okay.
[1:24:52] » Go ahead, sir.
>> Okay. Um, truck and trailer
[1:24:56] configuration.
Um, when I pulled up the old map that
[1:25:01] you have online and what is online right
now, it did not really match. The old
[1:25:06] maps had the trucks coming in from the
backside going in. I think now you show
[1:25:12] two bays on the backside and six bays on
where the current bays are where the
[1:25:17] trucks are supposed to pull in and back
up. I don't really see what the
[1:25:21] difference is because that's a
configuration almost of what you'll have
[1:25:25] right now except there are going to be
more baits.
[1:25:29] Um the claimed environmental benefit, I
just don't see what it's going to be. I
[1:25:35] really don't and I think this should be
made clear. Um a complete storm water
[1:25:41] review if you're putting in the back
piece even if it's a quarter acre and
[1:25:45] it's on dirt and you're going to have
trailers like you've been having there
[1:25:49] that are uncovered which they're not
supposed to be when they
[1:25:52] » but they're empty. They're empty.
>> Some of the ones the photographs I have
[1:25:58] they're not empty and they didn't have a
solid cover because you can see it had
[1:26:02] the netting on it.
And I believe that's a violation of a
[1:26:07] permit. Um you should have the storm
water should be reviewed to include if
[1:26:13] you are putting that back in which the
town board has not approved.
[1:26:18] I think that um that has to be taken
into account for [clears throat] all the
[1:26:23] calculations done for leech 8 everything
else. You can't just add property and
[1:26:29] say haha doesn't matter. historical
storm water exceedences and this is the
[1:26:34] part that I am very troubled about. The
facility shows major past exceedences
[1:26:40] from outfall number 001 including um TSS
which was over a,000 milligrams a liter
[1:26:48] against as stated 100 millgrams a liter
iron 14,800
[1:26:55] UG a liter against a th00and lead 78.4 4
UG a liter against 69
[1:27:04] UG a liter. And there's [clears throat]
photographs in the back of the packets I
[1:27:08] just gave you of this. The facility
itself
[1:27:13] um they have a a report as part of the
um [snorts]
[1:27:19] um permit they have. It's called a
corrective action. They have
[1:27:24] exceedences. They have to fill out the
correct correction corrective actions
[1:27:29] report. Um their report they say it on
the truck traffic and the wheels from
[1:27:36] the leeching.
What is this board doing about that?
[1:27:40] right now where where this this
discharge goes over to Amy's.
[1:27:46] I know that it said something in the
last resolution about plugging up the
[1:27:52] discharge pipes, which I really don't
understand how you're going to plug them
[1:27:55] up, but you can't just discharge stuff
like that onto somebody else's property.
[1:28:03] That's your responsible.
I want to know what you're going to do
[1:28:06] about it. And the applicant says over
and over and over again um on the
[1:28:13] correction action form,
they blame it on the trucks and they're
[1:28:18] going to do better housekeeping.
I mean, how many times can you do that?
[1:28:23] Is this is that okay with this board?
[1:28:29] Um [snorts] the other thing is um and
I'm just going to I'm not going to go
[1:28:33] through all this. Um [clears throat] the
when John Capella was here and the last
[1:28:40] finding statement that was done for a
permit when I believe it switched over
[1:28:46] to IWS, it was agreed that they would
uphold the approval for the permits and
[1:28:53] anything they signed it. If you need a
copy of it, I have it. if they don't
[1:28:57] have it at the town board.
Um their findings was there was going to
[1:29:03] be no trailers across the street. They
were all going to Chester and they gave
[1:29:08] the reason why environmentally
there wouldn't be any trailers between
[1:29:13] across the street and over and back.
It's segmentation what you guys are
[1:29:18] doing. You approved your last approval
was only and it was stated by Kelly
[1:29:25] Norton. It was only for the facility
itself. It did not include the property
[1:29:30] in the back. So now you've got the
property in the back and the property
[1:29:34] across. That's segmentation.
[1:29:39] Anyway, you'll see uh it's like a 30
page.
[1:29:43] It's a 30page letter because there's so
many different issues on this. It it's
[1:29:49] just
come on.
[1:29:53] » Anyway, thank you.
>> Thanks, sir.
[1:29:58] Do we have anyone else that wishes to
speak?
[1:30:03] [clears throat and cough]
Good evening. My name is Chris Haley.
[1:30:06] I'm a resident of the town of Ocean. I
also serve on the ERP and the ZVA boards
[1:30:10] here in the town. However, I speak this
evening as a resident of the town. Uh my
[1:30:16] issue is I'd like to follow up on what
Mrs. Clever said and uh although she has
[1:30:20] all the facts and figures, I'm just a
bit more on the code. I think we have an
[1:30:24] administrative issue specifically town
code 80-B-9
[1:30:28] sub paragraph B uh subar sub paragraph
D. Uh this is limitation on town land
[1:30:33] area used for solid waste uh management.
Uh I'll paraphrase it says that you
[1:30:39] can't have more than 300 acres in the
town to be used for solid waste
[1:30:43] management. Uh it also includes it says
including that on by the county of
[1:30:50] Orange. We're talking about the Orange
County landfill. The Orange County
[1:30:52] landfill itself is 299 acres.
This new agreement that I've seen from
[1:30:58] IWS in this iteration, I have now seen a
lease agreement for a 3acre lot,
[1:31:04] SPL12-1-21.22.
[1:31:07] This is a 3acre lot that sits behind
their current facility. It Mr. Chairman,
[1:31:12] I heard you say tonight that it's
possibly a quarter acre edition.
[1:31:15] » Well, the quarter is the one that's
northwest of the property where the snow
[1:31:19] pile was intended to go. Okay. Now, that
that is the one and that is the one that
[1:31:24] says snow uh snow storage. That is uh
12122.22.
[1:31:30] Uh I've seen nowhere that it says
quarter acre. I saw a dashed outline on
[1:31:35] a map, but to be clear, that is a 3 acre
lot. And the lease states that they will
[1:31:40] lease a 3 acre lot. That's it. And
that's what they legally have right to.
[1:31:45] In other words, that's a 3acre
expansion. Also like to follow up on the
[1:31:50] previous speaker's comments that the
property across the street 17 uh
[1:31:54] 12-1-17.32
is a 5 acre lot being used for trailer
[1:31:59] storage. And I understand where the
applicant would say we're just storing
[1:32:02] our trailers there. But they're not just
trailers. These are trailers used for
[1:32:06] municipal solid waste. I have said
before that this business in particular
[1:32:11] is it's not it is not the applicant's
fault that it's just a very dirty
[1:32:17] business. You can't help but to have
leech. You just can't help it. Lobo,
[1:32:22] rollbacks, and open trailers are being
stored on that lot. There is no way the
[1:32:27] applicant can hose these things out each
time. So, they're going to remain dirty.
[1:32:32] They're going to have material in them.
It is going to rain on these these
[1:32:36] vehicles. And that D8 goes into the
ground. And it's all permeable surface.
[1:32:41] This is all going into our waterhed. And
it is an environmentally sensitive area.
[1:32:47] I do not see how the board cannot
consider that 5 acre lot part of this
[1:32:54] facility. Now, as Mrs. Clever said at
one point, it was said that these
[1:32:57] vehicles would be stored in another
town, making it another town's problem,
[1:33:01] but they're not. They're being stored in
the town of Ocean, and that's the town
[1:33:04] of Ocean's problem. And that's a problem
for me because I live here. Uh so when
[1:33:09] you talk about a 3 acre lease and a 5
acre lot being used across the street,
[1:33:14] we're talking about 8 acres of municipal
solid waste waste use on what is already
[1:33:21] a 300 acre cap in the town of Ocean. As
an administrative matter, I don't see
[1:33:26] how the board can approve anymore
because we're capped. The Orange County
[1:33:30] landfill has us capped at 299 acres and
that's by design. We designed this when
[1:33:35] we updated the plan back then. who
didn't want more. If you want more, town
[1:33:40] board needs to change the law. By the
way, tried that two years ago and it
[1:33:44] failed. I don't think it's going to pass
today either. Um,
[1:33:48] I appreciate the board's time. Thank you
very much.
[1:33:52] » Thank you.
[cough]
[1:33:55] [clears throat]
>> Neil,
[1:34:03] » thank you very much. I always like
speaking nasty because then people think
[1:34:07] everything I had to say. So this really
cuts it down. But for those of you who
[1:34:11] don't know the history way back when
when when uh waste management owned
[1:34:16] actually prior to waste management
northern recycling
[1:34:20] uh and then [music] uh we we at that
point in time there was a gentleman who
[1:34:23] lived nearby Charlie Austin uh maybe
somebody remember his name always
[1:34:28] complained about the garbage way over
the fence and all the noises from the
[1:34:32] backup tables. At that point in time,
waste manager came in and actually uh
[1:34:39] took over the property and that was when
the first canopy over top first roof and
[1:34:44] the first walls around there ever came
into play. It was actually the result of
[1:34:47] this planning order that happened. Uh
that was not being proposed by anybody
[1:34:51] else in at the time. It was probably the
first facility like that in at least
[1:34:55] region three. Uh since that time DC
tried to claim it was their idea. Uh
[1:35:00] however, it really did come from here.
uh and that's why we have these going
[1:35:04] inside like that. Now, um so what I did
want to bring up though is that there
[1:35:11] there are some differences between
what's being proposed tonight, what's
[1:35:13] being presented tonight and what was
approved by you in 2024. And as as Sue
[1:35:19] said, uh certainly uh that even when
there's a quarter acre or three acres
[1:35:23] behind the property, that was not part
of the the proof that you gave then. nor
[1:35:28] was it consideration when the town gave
their ADB uh permit. So that quarter
[1:35:33] acre or 3 acres whatever is behind there
was not never part of that approval. Uh
[1:35:38] it's outside of that. Uh
and and then you said something about
[1:35:43] the compact going coming in property.
I'm not sure what that impact is what
[1:35:47] the difference is except that they're
going in. Uh
[1:35:53] the one question uh one one issue kind
of is there is on on the site plan uh
[1:35:59] I'm not sure it's just past there's a 24
uh inch cover going onto the Amy's
[1:36:04] kitchen property and there's a 36inch
cover going onto the Altori property in
[1:36:08] opposite direction. Uh and at that point
you're supposed to plug them up or
[1:36:12] whatever. If you have two storm water
pipes that are that big, you have to
[1:36:17] really question where the storm water is
now going, uh there is no additional
[1:36:22] storm water collection anywhere. Uh it's
got to be it's not going down those
[1:36:27] pipes and going out the pipes. It's got
to be going sheet flow off the property
[1:36:30] up to neighbors. Uh you just there's no
containment there. There is a new
[1:36:34] containment for I believe that's being
designed for the leech off the tipping
[1:36:38] floor and I think that that all that
leech inside the building there is going
[1:36:42] to be collected in those tanks but those
tanks are not sized nor is the
[1:36:46] infrastructure in there to collect all
the the storm water that's landing on
[1:36:50] the pavements. Uh I think that's uh that
really needs to be looked at because of
[1:36:55] the issue of if it goes off site, it's
going into the ground water sooner or
[1:36:59] later. And ultimately uh there are at
least and there's also fraction trace
[1:37:04] going down there and there are at least
two municipalities that have uh drinking
[1:37:08] water down there. One of them being the
town of Warfield. The other one being
[1:37:11] the Boj. Uh so whatever goes in the
ground possibly end up showing up in the
[1:37:16] Boj water.
Uh,
[1:37:22] and the other concern I still have is
the driveway access or leaving the
[1:37:27] trucks leaving the property. Uh, we
still are showing that you're going to
[1:37:31] have to go head on into the opposing
traffic. Uh, and we we keep saying that
[1:37:37] we don't know how to do that. And and
I'm I'm I'm old probably the oldest
[1:37:41] person in the room here. So I can tell
you that I get a little bit panicky when
[1:37:44] I get down to Woodbury Commons and you
take the exit there and you got to go
[1:37:47] over to Woodbury Commons and you're
going across the bridge on the wrong
[1:37:50] side of the room.
>> You don't like the pretzel.
[1:37:52] » It it is a weird situation. But I'm not
so sure that you can't do something
[1:37:56] similar to that coming out of this
facility. give her a pencil there or
[1:38:00] whatever else, but it's not going to be
so freaky because the people going in
[1:38:03] and out using that pretzel are going to
be the the drivers for IWS and the
[1:38:06] people who use that facility regularly.
Uh I always succeed in getting through.
[1:38:10] I haven't had an accident yet that
pretzel, but it always wow this is
[1:38:13] weird. Okay, but I think I think a
better use or better design could be
[1:38:18] made for that driving coming out. So you
don't have people coming head on into
[1:38:22] the incoming traffic. And I think
there's s significant thing that we have
[1:38:27] had we have developed three properties
along there. Uh TAM uh Higgby and the
[1:38:33] one across the street uh is now on time
disposal I think it's called. Uh so
[1:38:37] those three have been added. Plus we
also have a parking up area down there
[1:38:41] for the Heritage Trail. Uh, and since we
went ahead and paved that road used to
[1:38:47] be really terrible, but since we went
ahead and paved it, we have a lot more
[1:38:50] traffic going through there because it's
not like going down a dirt road and
[1:38:54] banging your car. So, there's a lot more
traffic going through there on a regular
[1:38:57] basis. It's getting more and more of an
issue. Uh, the amount of traffic going
[1:39:02] there, it's going to get even more so
when we develop everything along 17mm
[1:39:06] and 17mm, people are looking for ways to
get around 17M. Now during the day you
[1:39:10] can back up uh a/4 mile to a half mile
sometimes. I know I've gone through
[1:39:15] there and I've gotten just under 17 you
start to hit the road traffic all the
[1:39:19] way through.
Uh now uh what I'd like to do is speak
[1:39:23] on behalf of the of the PRV for a couple
of uh items. uh the parcel used for self
[1:39:30] storage disregarding [clears throat]
disregarding whether or not it's allowed
[1:39:34] to be added to it whatever the RB is not
making any kind of legal legal judgment
[1:39:39] anything else but disregarding that and
then assuming it was allowed to be added
[1:39:43] I think there was a big concern about
whether or not or how that parcel could
[1:39:47] be used and whether or not it should be
lined if you pushing snow off the uh
[1:39:53] black top uh it's going to have salt in
it possibly is going to have whatever's
[1:39:57] on the property from the leech a from
the from the trucks. It's going to be
[1:40:01] there and you're going to be pushing it
off onto there right now. If all you're
[1:40:04] doing is pushing off on the dirt, it's
going to go in it's going to melt. It's
[1:40:07] going to go into the ground. Uh we have
trouble in one part of town right now
[1:40:11] from salt uh already. We don't need to
have that added there.
[1:40:17] They the there are
two contamination that's all coming off
[1:40:22] site on the less and coming off the
vehicles. uh that is in a report that
[1:40:27] they the applicant saying one of the big
concerns is that the dirty uh tires are
[1:40:32] doing it. I don't have any experience
with carbon trucks like that but I do
[1:40:35] know that I have experience on on
construction sites where what they do is
[1:40:39] they have tire washes. You either drive
drive through a tire washer or at
[1:40:43] Legoland they used to just hose them
down every truck going off the slate. uh
[1:40:47] something like that may need to come
into play because if you go past the
[1:40:51] front of that bu that facility sometimes
you can see a trail there and I don't
[1:40:56] think it's grease I think it's whatever
else but you can see where they're
[1:40:58] coming out where they where they're
traveling
[1:41:02] uh
and there is also a requirement in our
[1:41:07] code and it's also in in the DEC's code
that all solid waste facilities
[1:41:12] including transportations have to be
fully enclosed with fencing
[1:41:16] Uh if this part in the back, this
quarter [clears throat] acre wood, third
[1:41:20] acre or 33 acres back there is not part
of this facility, the fence should be
[1:41:25] moved up to the property line and to
eliminate anything off the back. I know
[1:41:29] it's not this, but I I think from the
past uh back when it was [snorts] this
[1:41:36] part of the landfill, there actually
used to be a gate back there so people
[1:41:39] could take the garish through there on
the off hours so they could get back to
[1:41:43] the landfill. uh we we are not in that
situation now but that's the reason why
[1:41:47] the race essentially right thank you
very much
[1:41:50] » thanks [snorts]
>> anyone else from the public wish to
[1:41:54] speak
[1:42:01] » um you can either adjourn public hearing
if you need additional comments can
[1:42:07] close public hearing you can discuss the
application it's really how we want to
[1:42:11] process the application
>> can we close it and have a window for
[1:42:15] written comments to be submitted such
quickly push.
[1:42:17] » Yes,
that reason
[1:42:23] I really think that would be very
reasonable.
[1:42:29] » Yes.
>> So then we would need a motion to close
[1:42:34] the public hearing
and allow what 10 days.
[1:42:41] » Yeah. Let me give you
So today's 20th day Sunday morning goes
[1:42:48] to business on the 31st.
[1:42:58] Could I have a motion then to close the
public hearing now [snorts] and allow
[1:43:03] for written comments to be submitted to
the town building department by close of
[1:43:08] business on August 31st?
I'll make the motion
[1:43:14] » Marty second by second [clears throat]
>> Eric. All in favor say I.
[1:43:18] » I
>> against. [cough]
[1:43:22] » Well, I want to thank everyone in the
public for your comments and if you come
[1:43:26] up with anything additional that wasn't
raised this evening, pass them on to the
[1:43:31] building department and they will be
shared with us.
[1:43:34] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:43:38] » I will be right back.
>> Right.
[1:43:43] » [cough]
[1:44:01] » our opportunity.
[1:44:06] » Let's do it.
[1:44:20] resolution
200
[1:44:38] approval.
[1:44:40] » [laughter]
>> to do it.
[1:44:57] » She has
[1:45:02] There was a group
[1:45:13] later on.
[1:45:24] [snorts]
[1:45:26] That's what
[1:45:42] Sorry for that. Next item on the agenda
is Mark Tay Holding Group LLC 15-1-71.4
[1:45:53] application for clearing and grading
permit for three single family dwellings
[1:45:56] on 9.854 854 plus or minus acres on
reservoir road and lower reservoir road
[1:46:02] in RU zone with AQ3 and street quarter
and reservoir wershed overlays.
[1:46:09] And we have before us a conditional
resolution to consider this.
[1:46:23] We have the map up on the wall. This is
what's being proposed. You just want to
[1:46:27] give a brief
summary. [snorts]
[1:46:31] » Yeah. Um
>> make it clear what we're actually
[1:46:34] looking at.
>> Yeah. This is the same plan we had last
[1:46:37] time. This is a 0.9 acres of disturbance
upgrading and clearing. It's just to
[1:46:43] allow access to the site
for the well driller to be able to
[1:46:48] install the new well so we can obtain
the Orange County Health Department
[1:46:52] approval
required for us as a commission of the
[1:46:56] additional approval we have for
[snorts]
[1:47:01] um so that's just what we're seeking at
this time just
[1:47:05] » just a clearing
thank you
[1:47:15] I want to start by pointing out that
this resolution has successors on this
[1:47:22] at that time
um specific specific conditions.
[1:47:28] Number one, per section 5311 of the town
code, site preparation activities shall
[1:47:35] be conducted only between the hours of
7:30 a.m. and 700 p.m. when within 1500
[1:47:43] ft of any residents.
No site preparation activity shall be
[1:47:49] conducted on Sundays or public holidays.
>> Just a quick question. If you write
[1:47:55] above resolution
of [clears throat] approval, it says the
[1:48:00] finding board clarifies that the
application materials or information
[1:48:04] required
[clears throat]
[1:48:07] by chapter 53 the time code
but not listed above or contain within
[1:48:14] those materials for the reference of
those materials.
[1:48:20] » Which materials?
>> I I can answer that. Um so that that is
[1:48:24] some general condition but that is
typically in most of your clearing fund
[1:48:27] grading applications. This is a this is
a permit. This is [clears throat] site.
[1:48:31] This is a permit and the code has very
specific items that need to be
[1:48:34] submitted. In some instances they may
not be
[1:48:39] [snorts] either appropriate or
applicable. So for example I don't
[1:48:42] necessarily know what your code does but
a lot of groups will say they want the
[1:48:46] phone numbers of the adjoining property
owner. You know that's not really
[1:48:49] applicable. So what this does is this
says anything that they haven't
[1:48:52] provided.
[1:48:57] » I'm just like those listed materials
listed where
[1:49:01] » listed in chapter 23 of the code.
>> Okay.
[1:49:08] [snorts] You may proceed with
[1:49:13] number two. Per section 53-11B
of the town code, the applicant shall be
[1:49:21] required to submit all contracts to
perform clearing and grading activities
[1:49:26] to the town attorney prior to the
issuance of a clearing and grading
[1:49:31] permit.
>> [snorts]
[1:49:34] » Number three, prior to issuance of a
clearing and grading permit by the
[1:49:38] building inspector, the applicant shall
comply with the memorandum of the town
[1:49:43] engineer dated July 30th, 2026
to the satisfaction of the town
[1:49:49] engineer.
Four, the applicant has indicated the
[1:49:54] net volume of soil to be 2,97
[1:50:00] yards. cute years
of cut.
[1:50:06] The clearing and grading plan drawing
number G1
[1:50:11] shows an approximate 45 ftx 25 ft top
soil stock pile.
[1:50:18] It probably should say 45 diameter 25.
[1:50:24] [cough and clears throat]
[1:50:31] » Prior [snorts] to the issuance of a
clearing and grading permit by the
[1:50:34] building inspector, the applicant shall
revise the plan to the satisfaction of
[1:50:38] the town engineer showing how the excess
soil will be stockpiled on site. If it
[1:50:46] is determined that the limits of the
disturbance shown on the plan need to be
[1:50:50] expanded to accommodate the excess soil,
the applicant shall return to the
[1:50:56] planning board for additional review.
Five. After approval of a clearing and
[1:51:03] grading application,
but before issuance of any permit, the
[1:51:08] applicant is required to file with the
town clerk a performance guarantee in
[1:51:14] the amount of $74,785.
[1:51:20] Per section 53-12A
of the town code, the guarantee is
[1:51:26] required to be either a certified check
or letter of credit and the form must be
[1:51:32] approved by the town attorney.
[snorts]
[1:51:36] Six. Prior to issuance of a clearing and
grading permit by the building
[1:51:40] inspector, the applicant shall identify
the limits of clearing clearing and
[1:51:46] disturbance as shown on the plans in the
field with appropriate signage,
[1:51:52] flagging, andor fencing to the
satisfaction of the building inspector.
[1:51:59] Seven, prior to the issuance of a
clearing and grading permit by the
[1:52:04] building inspector, the applicant shall
provide the building department with
[1:52:09] documentation regarding permit status
with the New York State [snorts]
[1:52:14] Department of Environmental
Conservation.
[1:52:19] Eight, prior to issuance of a clearing
and grading permit by the building
[1:52:22] inspector, the applicant shall provide a
fully executed indemnification and hold
[1:52:29] armless agreement to the satisfaction of
the planning board attorney.
[1:52:36] » Question.
>> So why is it the planning board
[1:52:38] attorney?
>> That's how it's been in the past
[1:52:43] with prior practice
>> in connection with uh clearing and
[1:52:48] grading permits.
Do we have situations where herbicides
[1:52:55] are used? And I bring that up because we
are fairly close to the reservoir.
[1:53:01] » Uh to my to my knowledge I never in a
crossbowides
[1:53:06] used
basically machinery.
[1:53:12] » You don't think it's
>> I would I would if you want it as a
[1:53:17] condition just to back it up.
>> It had a number n.
[1:53:25] Yes, we do have it on the actual site
pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers and
[1:53:30] other chemicals on the site. I was
concerned with [snorts] the project
[1:53:37] that
>> was a water.
[1:53:44] » Okay.
[snorts]
[1:53:47] » Other comments, considerations for this
resolution?
[1:53:52] » Not. Could I have a motion then? [cough]
Just a quick clarification.
[1:53:58] » Um what what will be the eventual access
point for the uh houses there?
[1:54:05] » Uh lower reservoir road.
>> It will be lower.
[1:54:08] » Yeah, it's currently up to the to the
property line. There is already that uh
[1:54:14] cur cut in gravel. There's a cover pipe
as well.
[1:54:19] » Okay. So no access off reservoir.
>> No. No.
[1:54:23] » Okay. Yeah. Thank you.
>> Any other comments, concerns?
[1:54:30] If not, could I have a motion then to
approve the resolution of conditional
[1:54:34] approval clearing and grading permit for
Marte Holdings Group Successors and
[1:54:39] signs a lower reservoir road as modified
this evening.
[1:54:45] Move bill second by
I'll second it.
[1:54:49] » Giovani. All in favor say I. I. against
[1:54:55] » you have an approval.
[1:55:06] » Next item on the agenda is Solomony
Ready Mix of New York 12-1-102
[1:55:14] and 106.2.
You have an application for a site plan
[1:55:18] for a light industry on 16.3 plus or
minus acres on musket court on zone AQ3
[1:55:24] overlay.
Welcome chairman Bergus
[1:55:29] megley white househ on behalf of the
applicant a famous guy once sang along
[1:55:34] the winding road has in fact brought us
back to you. Um we're here tonight uh
[1:55:40] happy to report receive received a
positive uh interpretation from the
[1:55:44] zoning board. Um the silos now zoning
compliant. Um we received a memo from
[1:55:54] Sean
[1:55:57] kind of catching everything up. It has a
lot offormational stuff, but
[1:56:02] we presenting responses to that
obviously [clears throat] and things
[1:56:07] that aren't, but there's nothing nothing
that appears at first much to be
[1:56:12] anything other than just, you know,
updates to the plan. Uh, tonight I would
[1:56:16] with Larry O'Brien from High Point
Engineering. So, John Sierro from
[1:56:21] Stonefield traffic. You can walk through
walk through the traffic mitigation if
[1:56:26] that's
preference the same as what we
[1:56:30] considered when you granted the negative
declaration back in May. Um, you know,
[1:56:36] and and that same traffic plan that was
essentially worked on and approved by
[1:56:42] John Can from Kimly Orange.
[1:56:52] » We're looking for that.
>> We're looking for
[1:56:55] » Well, I was thinking of doing that.
>> Yeah. I don't
[1:56:59] » It's okay.
>> Yeah.
[1:57:01] » Can I just go ahead? So VRB very
astutely made this point u noted this
[1:57:08] that the traffic mitigation plan has
sort of been superseded by the town of
[1:57:13] wei Honda's uh new road laws um the
weight restrictions on those roads. So
[1:57:21] um I don't know if you have a new
traffic mitigation plan. I feel like
[1:57:25] it's not sort of our problem. Our
problem is just not having those left
[1:57:28] turns and you guys can figure out where
the trucks go. Go ahead.
[1:57:31] » Can't take the words out, but Mr. Sierra
is here as well. Uh, from Stonefield.
[1:57:37] Um,
exactly. We we've mitigated to the
[1:57:41] extent that we eliminated the left.
>> Um, yeah, good evening, chairman,
[1:57:47] members of the board. John Solero,
Stonefield Engineering, traffic
[1:57:50] engineer. Um, yeah, exactly what you
were just saying. And, uh, the plan for
[1:57:54] that whole C4 mitigation is really, um,
we're hoping not to use it too much. you
[1:58:00] know, most of our traffic we're going to
tell our employees, our delivery
[1:58:03] drivers. We have we have full control
over because there is no uh retail sales
[1:58:08] at this site. So, everyone coming in out
of and in and out of the site. Um it's
[1:58:14] up [snorts] to the operator. Um they'll
all be coming from the west and yeah,
[1:58:19] hoping to not use that too much as long
as we don't have to. But um yeah, but
[1:58:25] way beyond the thing I as far as I
understand that road is under the
[1:58:29] jurisdiction of the county.
So
[1:58:34] » I don't think that's accurate,
>> right? So uh the road that you're
[1:58:38] talking about is technical.
>> It [snorts] is a town road and it uh
[1:58:42] it's split. Portion is under the town
way beyond this jurisdiction and
[1:58:46] portions under the town agreements. Now
there may be some interal agreements
[1:58:49] that either county or one of the two
towns maintains it, right? it doesn't
[1:58:53] make a lot of sense to plow to a certain
point and turn [snorts] around. Um, so I
[1:58:57] can look into the who maintains that
with highway if you'd like. Um, but I
[1:59:02] just wanted you to know that it's not
jurisdiction.
[1:59:08] » And again,
[1:59:17] that's the type that
has also.
[1:59:22] Yeah, I mean my my perspective is you
can teleport the trucks. It doesn't like
[1:59:26] as long as they don't make left turns
that go pretty
[1:59:33] making a fair share of contribution
toward eventual improvements on 17. So
[1:59:38] we have a lot of I find there's a lot of
incentive to make sure that the things
[1:59:43] are made.
[1:59:49] » Any other comments?
[1:59:53] » Republican, what are we looking at as
far as
[1:59:55] » uh it's up to you, Mr. Chairman. You
could uh check the race before the
[1:59:58] meeting. Uh if you'd like to have it on
September 3rd and 10th, uh we can make
[2:00:03] sure that we get the um the notices out.
Uh we do have five other applications
[2:00:08] lined up for that right now. So
>> this
[2:00:13] almost exclusively initial
presentations.
[2:00:17] » Uh no,
>> this would be
[2:00:19] » this would be the only public hearing.
That's correct.
[2:00:24] [snorts]
[2:00:32] » Sounds good to me.
>> Um often we like prefer to have
[2:00:38] renderings when they're available for
public hearings. Um is it a we haven't
[2:00:44] asked them for that and b might be a
quick what's your feeling as far as
[2:00:52] » if I could just chime in on that there
is a code requirement uh however uh this
[2:00:56] is an industrial zone and it's private
road so usually that requirement kicks
[2:01:00] in as a public road so in this
particular instance it's a private road
[2:01:05] so you It's not required. Now, if the
code allows you to request any
[2:01:09] additional information you feel
appropriate for the application, then
[2:01:12] you can definitely ask that. But the
reason you haven't received it yet is
[2:01:15] that applicant was not required to
provide it.
[2:01:17] » Will those silos, the five silos be
potentially visible from 17M?
[2:01:23] » Yes.
>> Even though we don't care about
[2:01:27] » their corporate neighbor.
>> Yeah, you can see them from 17. No
[2:01:30] question.
>> I just show
[2:01:33] more. No, I don't have I thought you
were the uh No, you're just here from
[2:01:37] the public. You can't talk.
>> Right.
[2:01:41] » It was a blue test.
>> Well,
[2:01:45] » what I'm thinking as far as just having
a
[2:01:48] visual cross-section just showing what
it looks like coming through from 17M
[2:01:53] looking in the general direction of
where those five silos going to be
[2:01:57] [music] as far as how how they rise with
respect to the hill behind it and the
[2:02:01] ridge.
>> Right. Larry O'Brien.
[2:02:05] We could prepare that section. I think
Mr. mention that in the memo that
[2:02:10] section.
>> Sure, we could have that for the public
[2:02:12] hearing.
[2:02:16] » Yeah, let's just talk about that for a
second, Mr. Chairman. So, if you want to
[2:02:19] schedule a public hearing, you're
obviously going to want time for review
[2:02:22] applicants because you have to be in two
week prior
[2:02:24] » if that's what you'd like. Typically,
you require two weeks prior, but this is
[2:02:29] only one item. Uh you have made
exceptions in the past for submissions.
[2:02:38] » Well, when uh when do you think you can
get the renderings to us?
[2:02:42] » Certainly within we can certainly make a
week before
[2:02:46] » a week before the public
[2:02:55] works.
>> We're going to need some time the public
[2:02:57] week. We got to get ready ourselves
here.
[2:03:00] a public hearing.
>> Yeah, I understand that. But
[2:03:02] » so then you can set
>> how does it work though if there's no
[2:03:06] public hearing before the planning board
or rather before you do your N deck?
[2:03:09] What does it matter after that?
>> So Mr. Chairman would like to take
[2:03:12] action.
[2:03:16] » You can take action if you'd like. You
don't think it's public
[2:03:22] hearing?
>> It's whenever the board wants to
[2:03:27] September 3rd. I have a motion
>> move.
[2:03:31] » Phil, second by second.
>> All in favor say I.
[2:03:36] » I
>> against
[2:03:39] » September 3rd.
>> September 3rd.
[2:03:51] » I like just want to make sure
3M27 to the building department.
[2:03:57] submission.
>> Yeah, that's fine.
[2:04:10] » Thank you very much.
[2:04:22] » About those five items?
>> Yeah, I figured you'd ask about those,
[2:04:26] Mr.
Uh so the five items that you have kind
[2:04:30] of the mini
uh
[2:04:33] » here's a surprise.
>> I'll be the judge of that.
[2:04:35] » Milar,
[2:04:39] » Cory Stone,
six Virginia Lane, that's a contractor
[2:04:45] business. Uh Ocean Floors.
[2:04:51] » These are all new applications.
>> Uh more or less. Yeah. Multimart has
[2:04:54] been around in and out a number of times
with
[2:04:58] uh and then public.
[2:05:03] So yeah, that'll be five and six.
[2:05:11] » We're good.
[2:05:17] » Any other issues the board wants to
raise?
[2:05:22] Not. Do I have a meeting uh motion to
close the meeting?
[2:05:27] » Move.
>> Second.
[2:05:29] » Bill, second by Bill. All in favor say
I. I.
[2:05:33] » Have a good night.