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One nation under God in individual liberty and justice for us.

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First up, we have a board. Yes.

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I had no questions or comments or additions or subtractions from March 24th.

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Motion to approve the amended and corrected minutes from March 24th as presented today. All those in favor? Aye. Well, we're talking about minutes.

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I think the purpose of the minutes is to reflect the business of the board, and particularly the business decisions made by the board and the discussions leading up to those decisions.

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Therefore, I would suggest that not

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necessary to include the general public comments as part of the minutes.

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It's up to us what we want in there, but I don't know that that would be necessary as part

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of the official minute record.

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I'm good either way.

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It's supposed to document the actions taken by the board, and as you said, the public

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comment does not document any actions taken by the board.

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And we don't respond to them.

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That people that are interested in them can listen in or listen to the recording later.

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Right.

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We

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have had requests from the public for better minutes because it's hard to listen to our

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are recording the way FTR does that recording.

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So with the help of IT, we are now recording the meetings and

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transcribing the meetings for the minutes.

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So I feel like the public likes to hear what the public are talking about here and

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the other people have requested that, so I'm just putting that in there for your information.

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Well, I would suggest it's something that we give consideration to.

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We don't need to make a decision.

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Yeah, I'm good enough.

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Hold on, Mr. Willby, the commissioners, you'll have an opportunity to talk more about that at 10.25 when we're talking about our migration with some other things.

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I'm going to make a stand up there.

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No. Next up, we have finance and approval of legal agreements.

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Good morning, Alina Bell, finance director, excuse me, this week's batch of vouchers totals $866,491 in 94 cents across 125 payments.

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Key items included in this batch are payments from the tourism board for monthly marketing services.

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in the amount of $103,242.53.

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We are making a payment to the DA's office in the amount of $70,617.42 for monthly operating expenses.

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We are paying Monk Park's electric $62,134 for site improvements at the Cremeling Airport.

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We're making a payment to Daniel's long Chevrolet.

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We're buying a new vehicle for

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Motorpool, in the amount of $35,822.

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And we are also making a yearly greater lease payment in the amount of $276,892,

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74 cents to US bank or this is the 2023 greater lease payment.

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I recommend paying all,

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are there any questions?

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I did have some questions, but they were answered via email yesterday, so I'm fine with what we have.

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I'm good with that, I would entertain them.

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The move to approve vouchers and why are payments presented on Tuesday, April 7th, 2026 for payment on Wednesday, April 8th, 2026 for Grand County and the Department of Human Services and vouchers for the Grand County Housing Authority.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Thank you.

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Next up we have general public comments.

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Each speaker is respectfully limited to three minutes.

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This is when addressing the board. Anyone wishing to speak via Zoom during any public comment portion of a meeting? Must show their legal name when they log in, raise their hand to be unmuted by the host in their turn, and indicate their county address when recognized. It is during a public hearing. Comments must pertain to the matter being then considered by the board. Commissioner and staff typically do not respond during public comment.

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Anyone in our audience?

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I do have a comment regarding those meeting minutes.

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What's done here, it's a public business, and a public should know what kind of business

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is going here, and part of the business is how decisions are done in order to make them

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better in the future, not just what is done.

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And for the last three years when the minutes changed and do not record the how decisions

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are made and the little bit detailed comments, there are there is a fuzzy recordings and

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there is no way to figure out what that business was about.

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What decisions was made, how they were made.

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And it makes a difference when you see in the minutes that the crowd of people scream on

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you here during their three minutes comments or if there was a silence and no one in the room.

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So I would like you to reconsider if you would do include the public comments not what people

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said but what was the topic about at least in the future meeting minutes because no one's going

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to go back to the recordings and try to find something in the recordings. Those minutes are really

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brief. Good overview of how government functions. And especially when you're doing public hearings

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like for the subdivisions, planning and stuff, there's a lot of time that public doesn't

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have a way to say into anything. That's preliminary, preliminary plans. I've proved

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the final plans. There's no way to say something. And the planning is the mess, especially

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Latest-D wildfile resiliency codes, that's a mess.

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You knew about it a year ago that it will be hard and you did nothing.

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For about a year, there could be already people working on the stuff that got somehow

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missed in the new adopted codes and that's the cost.

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And you know, whenever there are codes, there is always cost and benefit.

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And before you do that, it takes a time to analyze what's the cost and what's the benefit

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and is it going to work or not.

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That wasn't done.

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I'm going to scream on the Colorado Congress today, and the Grand County won't stay

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very good in my speech.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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We have anyone online?

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I have an apology to make two weeks ago I spoke on the library and I specifically said

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because I truly thought that the commissioners were in charge of the budget and the employees

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at the library. And I was wrong. I realize there's a special district now that, and so I apologize

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for that, please forgive me. And you do appoint the board members of that, and I think it's a testimony

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to the importance of sticking to conservative principles and finding leaders who stick to conservative

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of principles because that seems to be a bit of a mess and I'll probably talk about

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the library a little bit more when I talk about issues that you don't directly control

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but you could influence strongly in the county for conservative principles.

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Today I want to talk about the Colorado Governmental Immunity Act, the conservative principles

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are fairness, accountability and private property.

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The Colorado Government Immunity Act is used by governments to damage or destroy people's

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property and then walk away with immunity. This is a direct attack on the conservative

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principles of fairness, government accountability, and the right to enjoy private property.

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Of all the issues that I've mentioned so far, this is the one that a conservative should

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look at and see as the most obviously wrong. Let me describe this real possibility. Not

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a cheap story but a real possibility.

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Approach up drivers distracted, swirves into oncoming traffic, and carides with another vehicle. We have a driver who is seriously injured, faces months in the hospital, incurs massive medical debt, loses his home and his family is torn apart. The county or whatever government it is says, sorry, we are immune. Why? The government needs the money more. This is not an unrealistic

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situation. It isn't really different than the other stories that I've heard about the use of the

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Governmental Community Act. This is the kind of situation that the Governmental Community Act

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creates. Did you know that the founding of our country was an objection to Governmental

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Community? Our founders rebelled against the British who destroyed or seized property and then

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ahead behind immunity, the founders called it tyranny. Much of the declaration of independence

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is an objection to British claims of immunity. Our conservative founders rejected it.

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Immunity is why the United States is here. It is our history. Of course, conservatism rejects

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claims of governmental immunity.

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Thank you, Mr. Davis.

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All right, moving on. We will go to administrative business.

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First up, we have departmental contracts and updates.

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First up, we have human services, the Grand County Board of Human Services.

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Actually, Grand County Board of County Commissioners, instead of the Board of Human Services.

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The word for using the commissioners.

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Correct.

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Fantastic, thank you.

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What you have, oh, the Rottenberg Director of Human Services, sorry about that.

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You have in front of you an amendment to the MOU with the Colorado Department of Early Childhood.

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And this is amendment number three.

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So, it's extending the contract that was originally signed in 2023, and this will extend it through June 30th of 2027, and it outlines how we run the Colorado Child Care Assistance Program.

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We ask for your signature on the contract extension.

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I move that we approve amendment number three to the memorandum of understanding between the Colorado Department of Early Childhood and the Grand County Department of Human Services as presented.

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All those in favor?

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Is that lucky sign?

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I haven't seen it yet.

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Yeah, I'll let you, I'll give you a heads up one, it may be a while, it's not going to be one of those ones that as soon as I let them know they'll send it to you.

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So I'll let you know.

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Just so many email or text, I hate this is coming signing because.

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Absolutely.

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We never know what they're fishing, you know, those IT guys are always keeping up with us.

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Yeah, and they just send a recent one about DocuScience.

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We do get fake DocuScience at times.

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Right, yeah.

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So again, every time you're going to get one, I will let you know ahead of time.

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Okay, thank you.

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Next up, we have the Grand County Housing Authority, the Coyote Creek Transfer Feed Applications,

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for example.

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She nuns in.

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You should be able to unmute.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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How are you?

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Good.

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How are you guys?

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She and Dylan, Grand County Housing Authority.

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And if you guys were to set up the Housing Authority board for me, please are

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we there?

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So, I do have two applications for exemption from a CaliD Creek transfer tax and my drop-off

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for this morning.

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The first thing in a project is my mother was impressed on my birth.

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The first one is for John P. Carville's.

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It's for a lot 24 unit 14 of CaliD Creek and this one is in fast exempt and there are 2.1

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of the restrictive evidence and I just asked for approval from the board on this one.

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I move the, I move the, I move the, I move the, we approve the,

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Exemption request for lot, 24 unit, 14 of the coyote creek subdivision for the transfer tax as presented by senator darlin.

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Aye. Aye.

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Okay, the second one is for the applicant worried now. It's for lot, 24 unit, 28 of the piety creek.

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I just, they are approved under 2.1

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of those two components as well, and the password goes with this one.

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I move to approve the, this is for which one?

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This is also Kyrie Creek.

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Move to approve the second.

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Kyrie Creek, transfer fee application of exemption as presented by director Sheen and darland.

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those in favor?

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Next up we have economic development contracts.

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We're going back to the city's commission.

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Diane, we're not hearing you.

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Hi, this is Diane Butler.

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Can you hear me now?

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Yes.

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Oh, great.

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Good morning commissioners.

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Diane Butler, Grand County Economic Development.

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We have two contracts that we have in your box.

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One is for innovation, economy partners,

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and the other one is for loud example.

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Both of these were presented during the budget hearing,

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and were approved on my budget for 2026.

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Would you give a quick overview as to the functions

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that these organizations will be providing for us?

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I'd be happy to. So a lot of example is administrative assistant who I've worked with for eight years.

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It's actually mostly funded through money we get every year from report MacLean.

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And she does things like my e-blast helps with other projects related to web site help and mostly administrative things.

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So I've worked with her like it said for quite a few years, and this contract always runs

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from the state to the next year.

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So it's kind of like a year contract that it's two years of the budget.

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And then the contract with Innovation Economy Partners is for a work and grant website of

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which we've also had probably for about eight years.

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many years when it was not funded at all but kept functioning and we chose and talked about

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adding all the information and expanding it beyond being a workforce on job listing website to

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expand into all the things that we can offer and have available for data like the tourism

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and revitalization plan that we did with them.

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Sure, all in the future work that we will be getting shortly

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with the new EPA thing on site locations.

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All those things will be right now editing the work

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and going to the website and taking out old stuff

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that's no longer good like the housing,

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but we're adding a lot of detail.

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So a lot of that data detail places

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were web sites interactive so businesses can go in and add them to the business listings

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beyond even the job description.

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So it's going to be expanded in all kinds of ways and then we'll also make sure

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that there's links on the county website that they'll also link to that.

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So we're in the process of adding both web sites currently.

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So this is for them to maintain through the normal things that really they haven't been

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and pay for it to do, but mostly at the additional stages that the reality created and more

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continue to go through this.

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So, commissioners, if I may, just jump in real quick. I recommend you sign both of these contracts. The innovation economy partners is just through the end of the year. I had a lengthy conversation with Diane yesterday. I apologize out the retreat. I did miss the key component of the Grand County tourism revitalization plan being incorporated into that working grant.

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And so we're going to, Diane's going to schedule a workshop with you later on this spring to have more of a conversation, but at this time we recommend approval of both contracts.

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The state of authority approved in the budget, so yes, they are already approved to the budget.

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Well, I appreciate that the update that Diane gave about updating the websites, because that was one of the comments that I was hearing that it wasn't up to date, and there was things missing, and so I'm

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I appreciate that we're working on that.

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Nothing worse in an out-of-date website.

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Right, right.

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And that was partially because we didn't have him contracted

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to do much, and we were really doing a big revision

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that was gonna start the short.

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So this contract will activate the rest of the work

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that we have already been working with amount,

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but we'll get it all.

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Once it's all updated, that's when I'd like to do the workshop

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because then I can walk you through how rich their data and information is that in there.

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That sounds good.

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All right. I would entertain a motion.

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To loud example first, time move to approve the services contract.

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Between loud example LLC, which is a Colorado limited liability company,

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and the Grand Canyon Board of Commissioners as presented by Diane Butler,

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Thank you, commissioners.

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And have a great day.

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Thank you so much.

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And I move that we approve the innovative economy partners as presented by Dan Butler.

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And authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

243
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Fantastic.

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Next up, we have the Clerk and Recorder.

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No.

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Dean Lincoln for the clerk in the quarters office.

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Right now, what we have is Albert Sapien's request.

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He is the president and manager of Tabernash Food and

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Beverage Company doing businesses Tabernash Tavern at 72 to 87 highway 40 in Tabernash, Colorado,

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for a renewal of a hotel and restaurant like our license and takeout.

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All fees have been paid to the state and to Grant County and the Sheriff's letter reflects no adverse actions.

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and we recommend approval and of the renewal for this request.

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Just a question, you mentioned takeout.

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Is that a new addition to this license or something?

255
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No, he had that before.

256
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Did have it before, okay.

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I move that we approve the restaurant and hotel and restaurant license

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with takeout for the Tabernashtabern as presented by our clerk and recorder

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and authorize the chair to sign all the applicable documents.

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All those in favor?

261
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All right, next up, we have road and bridge and airports.

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You want to do community development first?

263
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Oh, thank goodness.

264
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I have a good one, too.

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Community development.

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Chris, thank you so.

267
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So this request is for an un-budgeted item.

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We have been looking around.

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We've been currently using GoVOS as a short-term rental provider for the past four years.

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So we signed a contract with them four years ago.

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Is it three-year contract with Automatic?

272
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When you say provider, you're talking about data provider.

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Right, they scrub the Internet sites for who's renting, who's not.

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They provide us a software framework that allows us to collect the fees online,

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make sure that they have, you know, their fire inspections, all the things they need to do to get a license.

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They also do the violations, if we have a violation, they take the phone calls, you know,

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give us the information the next day so we can follow up.

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So it's a whole framework, including phone support for violations.

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So when you say, scrub the internet, what you're saying is that they're looking for home homes that are being advertised as a short-term rental.

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But in a check and see that they don't have a license and then that's where there's a problem.

281
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Yeah, only of course in unincorporated Grand County, the towns do their own thing.

282
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If the towns that are doing their own would be separate.

283
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Right. And up until recently we've all been on.

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Yeah, Govo S. Grammy recently went to Reynoldscape. So we started looking around, and we did look at Reynoldscape as well. We interviewed several of the other providers or software providers for that framework. And Govo S is the one who provides our financial information. So years ago, we went to Govo S to do that on the internet for the financial side. So Govo S came out to be significantly

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For example, in 2023, we paid $49,000, and then we went to 68, 2025, we were 78.

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Here in 2026, we were paying $83,460 for this service.

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If we go to open gov, it'll be $40,000 this year because it's also an implementation.

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But 2027, it goes down to $22,000, $22,343,000, $15.

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We'll save almost $67,000.

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2028, we're going to go down to $23,460, that'll save us $72,000.

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So we more than make up for the, because this year again,

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it'd be about $40,000 of them budget and money.

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But next year, we'll save $66, and

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the next year, we'll save $72.

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So looking at it financially, it's actually a better platform.

296
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It's easier.

297
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Right now, there's two websites.

298
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You have one for the lodging, which is what you do the violation.

299
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You have to sign on a whole new website to go to the admin.

300
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We had them walk this through us three times and it's a much easier, simpler program.

301
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We believe it will be for the users as well.

302
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So there be no fee increase, no fee change, none of that stuff.

303
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It will just give us a different provider and save the county a quite a bit of money.

304
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Appreciate the long term value of this.

305
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,220
Two quick questions.

306
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One, I presume you talked with other people that are using this.

307
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Yes, find out and they had good report on it.

308
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They did.

309
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:13,040
Yes, and the other is the additional money that you're talking about, for this year, the $40,000, do you have room in your budget for that or will this need to be a supplement?

310
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It will have to be a supplemental, sir.

311
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I'm good with that explanation also, I mean, it sounds like you've done the diligence and the background to make it sure that we're good and apples, apples, compares and a lot less money, but it sounds like it's providing the same or maybe even better service.

312
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That will, for a lot less money in the long run.

313
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I have a question.

314
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Can I clarify just for the record, you talked about Gov.O.S., but finance uses Open Gov, right?

315
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Yes, so, Gov.

316
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,260
So a lot of it was talking about Gov.O.S., which is the old one, and you want to go to Open Gov.

317
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And we would go to Open Gov starting off over first.

318
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Okay, great. Thank you.

319
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Open Gov is the new one. Gov, I know, they're kind of close, but Gov.O.S. is the one we would

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be terminating the contract with as a co-preferst, and we'll go with this one October.

321
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First, they'll be live.

322
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Their implementation takes about five to six months.

323
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What is the success rate like, I mean, like how many people are they finding a year that are renting?

324
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You know, it depends on the year.

325
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When they first came on board, when we first swapped to these guys, they did pretty well.

326
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But we find a fair amount of them just by scrubbing ourselves sometimes, or the neighbors will turn them in.

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So, I would say they're probably 90 percentage, hopefully open gov will be, they're saying 95 to 96, but they do a pretty good job, they do the Airbnb's craigslist, but there's some off site ones that obviously they have a hard time catching, but neighbors seem to turn them in.

328
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Never go, nothing's better than a nosy neighbor, even the internet.

329
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Or worse, depending on your heart.

330
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Questions out in retained emotion.

331
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To approve the agreements.

332
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It's open gov as for the internet services for regarding short term rentals.

333
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As described by community development director Chris Mangusso.

334
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So, and authorize the chair to sign all the click of documents.

335
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:34,910
All those, oh, has this gone through legal, the agreement, okay.

336
00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:37,350
All those in favor?

337
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:38,210
Aye.

338
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:38,790
Aye.

339
00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:41,550
Thank you, commissioners.

340
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All right, sorry, I couldn't wait, road bridge, all right.

341
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,260
Exciting stuff, Sean Mahoney with green county airports.

342
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Today I have a couple of items for you, we're going to start with the mountain parks of lethric, right away easement.

343
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Item at the crumbling airport for the new hangar development on the northwest side of the airport. And if we could have approval and signature on this easement.

344
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:32,820
I don't have any questions. I move that we approve the right-of-way easement and agreement between the park's electric and the county for improvements to the airport in crumbling.

345
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All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. The next item I have is mostly for direction.

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on the Aprin bid project at the Croming Airport.

347
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Between last year and this year, we did save $800,000 by going to Rebid and a redesign for the project.

348
00:30:55,430 --> 00:31:01,270
The only issue with that is our funding availability is still about $1 million short.

349
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So our proposal by staff is to reallocate the 2026 BIL and AIG grants from

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the FAA as well as the 2027 AIG grants again from the FAA and that's in the amount of $300,000 and $574,000 for 2026.

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Also we'd have to reallocate our access road funds in the amount of $140,000 to complete this project.

352
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But we can get away with just doing schedule one, which is half of it.

353
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But to do the other half, I don't see us in the future ever coming back to this project

354
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again, especially with our capital improvement plan.

355
00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:52,270
It's not slated for contractors to come back in.

356
00:31:52,810 --> 00:32:01,110
So if we're able to move this funding around and do it now, I see a definitive cost savings.

357
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:04,230
Because of the cost of mobilization.

358
00:32:05,170 --> 00:32:06,730
Mobilization, we're already there.

359
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:10,550
If we do it five years from now, who knows what the price is going to be.

360
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:14,170
Meanwhile, our federal funds stay the same.

361
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:17,470
And the costs of material and labor goes up.

362
00:32:18,050 --> 00:32:23,210
So to use these funds now is a better proposal.

363
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:32,080
I think that makes sense to me as well, I mean it seems.

364
00:32:33,450 --> 00:32:39,850
the mobilization costs and there are funding's flat, but our costs are just going to go up and make sense just go ahead now.

365
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:44,730
The direction to pursue a contract, is that what you're asking for on this one?

366
00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:56,090
I wanted to bring it to you guys before I have a meeting with the FAA later today, but I wanted you guys to give us direction before we say let's move this money and spend it now.

367
00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:00,370
I'm good with proceeding as you described, okay.

368
00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:02,750
I'm excited to make sense.

369
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:10,810
I am in favor of this as well, there are a lot of numbers here and it wasn't real clear

370
00:33:10,810 --> 00:33:17,530
from the review I did in the information in the box before the meeting.

371
00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:26,270
But I see there is a county match, a local match that's noted on this.

372
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:34,270
Is that significantly different than what we were anticipating when we did the budget at the beginning of the year?

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It is about $20,000, but since we're reallocating the access road funds, that's something to where that budget would come out of, well not out of, but we wouldn't be using the access road budget for this.

374
00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:57,070
So to clarify, that access road funding, that's repaving the entrance to the airport, right, from the state in to the airport.

375
00:33:57,070 --> 00:34:04,870
Local only project, so that all those funds were actually budgeted in the county budget, and none of that was going to be state or federal.

376
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:05,490
Right.

377
00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:14,070
We're moving those, so we're going to push that to a future year and then we'll move those funds to part of our match.

378
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:15,050
Is that correct?

379
00:34:15,410 --> 00:34:15,930
Yes, correct.

380
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:16,950
So

381
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the access road will not be addressed this year.

382
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:24,430
I'm just going to clarify.

383
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:24,850
Okay.

384
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Well, I would say yes, go ahead and get your contracts lined up to be able to do this

385
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and bring them back to us.

386
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:36,570
Sounds good.

387
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:38,150
Thank you, commissioners.

388
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:42,750
The last item I have is for the Grand B airport hang your door repairs.

389
00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:49,890
It is an unbudgeted item of $7,079 from the roofing company to complete the repairs

390
00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:59,650
here's at the air port and if we could have approval to spend this unbudgeted item as

391
00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:59,970
well as.

392
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,420
Mr. Head, more your design.

393
00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:26,370
Mr. Ed Ragnar, design. Beds are better than one. So, sometimes, it should be noted that the, normally, the maintenance of the hangars would be the responsibility of the hangar owners. But this was an error caused by county employees. And so that's why we're funding it.

394
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:33,760
And I would move that we approve the bid with roofing company.

395
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,620
We need to make their repairs as recommended.

396
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,120
All those in favor?

397
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,540
Aye.

398
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:42,540
Thank you.

399
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,460
Good morning, commissioners.

400
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:54,380
David Buckley, Grand County Road and Bridge.

401
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:57,220
Give you a little bit of history here.

402
00:35:57,580 --> 00:36:04,900
For the last 20, so years, we've been using a software that is a SQL base program called PubWorks

403
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:09,640
to manage all of our assets and our driveway and right away permits.

404
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,280
It's a little bit more history on that.

405
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:20,460
This asset management software is used to manage our inventory, our work orders, our

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material that we use on roads.

407
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It helps us cost out what each road factors into our budget and so forth.

408
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:31,860
So it's a significant software that we've used.

409
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,100
PubWorks is currently owned by GWorks.

410
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,180
They bought them out several years ago.

411
00:36:37,180 --> 00:37:03,720
They have notified us that they are no longer going to be supporting the SQL base program Pub-Works and that they want us to transition to their web base program, G-Works, and we are doing some due diligence with other software companies, OpenGov being one of them to see what's the best opportunity for us as a county moving forward.

412
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:11,880
Right now, G-Works is giving us a significant discount, even though it's more than what we've paid with PubWorks.

413
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,260
It's basically doubled.

414
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,020
We've been paying about 7,000 a year on PubWorks.

415
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,260
This price going to G-Works is going to be about 14,000 per year.

416
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,740
We're locking in a two year pricing.

417
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,280
This is not an agreement yet.

418
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:33,780
But it's just for us as a county to secure this discount while it's available to us.

419
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:40,480
As we move into the fall and budget, we want to make sure we have these numbers budgeted.

420
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:46,240
So when we go into 2027, when we're looking at doing this implementation of this new software,

421
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,660
we'll have it in the budget already.

422
00:37:48,660 --> 00:38:05,620
But for G works, we want to get approval from you all to give authorization to the chair of the BoCC to sign off on this discount pricing with G works that is for two-year period, which would start soon as we flip the switch.

423
00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:23,960
I guess it's a little bit concerning that a price doubled, but maybe that is the best option or the only option out there.

424
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:29,880
It is the best option as of right now. As I said, we have done some due diligence with other software companies.

425
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And it's even significantly higher than what we're getting with GWX right at this moment.

426
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:45,480
So we were going down the road of trying to work with OpenGov, Mesa County is using them.

427
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:54,180
We were hopeful that the pricing would come in more competitive than with the existing G-Works contract or the proposed contract.

428
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But we're going to continue to look for a better deal.

429
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:04,960
But until then we're just recommending commissioners we sign off to lock in the price.

430
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Should we go with G works next year, and we will come back with a contract sometime summer fall and budget for it accordingly?

431
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,800
So locking in the price doesn't necessarily obligate us.

432
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,120
Correct.

433
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Yeah.

434
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:18,900
All right.

435
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:21,980
No, it just locks us in for that discount price.

436
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:22,660
Okay.

437
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Just for a note, I don't have anything for you to sign Commissioner Ragnar, it's in your email inbox.

438
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:40,560
So, depending on the approval of today, if you want to move forward with that, if you need any assistance, let me know.

439
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:46,140
They would have come from me.

440
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,280
I would have come from you.

441
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I forward it to you.

442
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,640
It was last week.

443
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,420
I can follow.

444
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:51,120
I'll come last week.

445
00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,200
No, I have that.

446
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,180
Actually, I have a box item called 2B sign.

447
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:13,820
I'm good with it. I don't have any other questions. I move that we approve the Recommended Transition from pub works to G works.

448
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:26,630
Authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents. All those in favor? Hi. Thank you, gentlemen.

449
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:38,260
Good morning, commissioners, act brought in through the bridge. We recently

450
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:40,940
Really blue an engine on one of our dump trucks.

451
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:48,880
For a little background, it's a 1992 Kenworth that's got 720,000 miles on it.

452
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,200
720.

453
00:40:52,960 --> 00:41:00,180
Researching and remanufactured engines approximately $20,000 and then we have to put it in and take

454
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:00,820
the old one out.

455
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:10,080
Currently, for 26, we have 130,000 in our capital equipment budget set aside for a water truck replacement.

456
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:27,300
What we'd like to do is take that money plus $20,199 out of our repair of trucks budget and purchase a 2018 Kenworth with 28,000 miles on it from DTI trucks.

457
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:36,420
Seeking for authorization to move forward with that purchase and authorize county manager to sign all applicable documents.

458
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:45,020
So the old track was that 720,000 miles on that engine or has it been rebuilt on that engine?

459
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,640
It was a cat or a commons and the new one is a cat or a commons packer.

460
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,580
No.

461
00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:55,770
Okay.

462
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:56,810
For question.

463
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:58,030
Okay.

464
00:41:59,090 --> 00:42:05,570
And the reason why we're not replacing the engine is that 720,000 miles.

465
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:10,610
No, but I mean, there's other concerns with the trucks that's got a twisted frame.

466
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:11,450
Yeah.

467
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:13,910
So there's some other issues with the truck.

468
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:14,970
Whether it's well-used.

469
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:15,930
Or we would just.

470
00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:17,010
Well, you mentioned it.

471
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:24,590
So instead of limping it along, we had it originally slated to get replaced this year as well.

472
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:26,150
And then we pulled it out.

473
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:29,530
So I wasn't going to put it back in for 27.

474
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:32,210
So I'll just flip-flop the water truck in the dump truck.

475
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,550
Is there salvage value to that truck?

476
00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:34,670
Probably.

477
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:36,850
I haven't researched it a whole lot.

478
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:43,940
I'll probably put it in the auction and under minimum bin on it or something like that.

479
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:53,140
I mean, I'm in favor of this, but where does this leave us with respect to the desired water truck?

480
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:58,180
The one we have is in the shop right now, I'm going to say, you know, DOD inspection.

481
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,100
The mechanics is pretty sound, and we think.

482
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,920
So the idea was to replace that truck, not to supplement with a second truck.

483
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,100
Right.

484
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:13,200
We're just going to hold off for that for another year.

485
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,000
Yes.

486
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,860
I mean, no, have any water to use to keep it in the truck?

487
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,980
No, I need it this year.

488
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,940
I think it's a good use of the way that this is shook out.

489
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,240
Like you said, it was scheduled for a replacement anyway and that kind of accelerated the process.

490
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:35,340
So I'm good with this procedure and this process.

491
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Am I wrong or does that sound like a really good deal on a 28,000 well?

492
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:41,140
It's a pretty good deal.

493
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:43,240
That's kind of what I thought to you.

494
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,500
My cannings went down and looked at it yesterday and said it's a really clean, really nice truck.

495
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,220
28,000 miles is barely broken.

496
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Yeah,

497
00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:57,480
let's see.

498
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,860
Move to approve the 2020, it's not a 26th,

499
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:06,840
the dump truck purchase for the 2018 Kinworth

500
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,700
as described by Zach Brody of Grand County Road and Bridge

501
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,460
and authorize the chair to sign.

502
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:15,360
We're gonna authorize the manager.

503
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:17,440
The manager, you're right, the manager.

504
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Authorize the manager to sign.

505
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Corrected motion, accepted.

506
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:24,030
All those in favor?

507
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:27,350
I thank you, thank you commissioners,

508
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:33,900
do you get to drive it back from Denver just might

509
00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:39,850
have to go get a CDL first, but then I will know.

510
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:42,550
I should I go with Michael morning

511
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:45,780
Abby.

512
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:51,140
Good morning commissioners Abby Baker with Grand County Public Health.

513
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:59,020
I just realized that I brought the wrong printed out document for signatures so I can bring that over later.

514
00:44:59,020 --> 00:44:59,120
here.

515
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,860
Signature requested for the later.

516
00:45:02,620 --> 00:45:06,360
The probably disliked motion with otherwise the stamp signature.

517
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:18,780
Okay, great. So the item I have in the drop box this morning is the deputization of the vaccines for children program from middle park health to Grand County public health.

518
00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:29,020
What this deputization does is extends the vaccines for children program from middle park health to our public health department.

519
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:32,160
But it does maintain separation of both programs.

520
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:40,900
We have our own, what's it called a pin number, so that maintains our organization separate

521
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,360
from middle-park health, but the requirement from the state is to have a federally qualified

522
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:53,100
health center or rural health clinic deputized public health agencies for administering the

523
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,120
vaccines for children program.

524
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:03,420
That is the renewal of this, and just oversight for that program is Dr. Jason Stormin,

525
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,060
serves as our medical officer,

526
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:11,660
request that the-

527
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:27,900
I move that we approve this deputization document and authorize the chair's signature to

528
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:28,460
be stamped.

529
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:32,490
All those in favor?

530
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:33,150
Oh.

531
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:38,190
Is this a BOCC, or is it a board of health?

532
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:43,410
We'll leave in the contract routing form, it was Board of County Commissioners.

533
00:46:43,810 --> 00:46:45,690
I just don't remember, so, thanks.

534
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:50,750
The other question is, and this is just a comment, I'm supporting this.

535
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:56,130
But when I saw the word deputization, I was a little fearful that it would become some kind of a must-have and

536
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:59,510
you shall kind of think, like you are a deputy, but it's not that at all.

537
00:46:59,810 --> 00:46:59,930
No.

538
00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:05,550
No, it's a good extension from their clinic to our clinic for the program.

539
00:47:05,550 --> 00:47:06,290
I have

540
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:12,620
a motion.

541
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:13,760
All those of you who are?

542
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:14,400
Aye.

543
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:23,310
We have EMS.

544
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:26,530
Good morning, commissioners.

545
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:28,250
Bill Clark, deputy chief, Gary, and GUN EMS.

546
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:32,850
We are requesting authorization to permanently update our billing and collections process,

547
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:35,590
following the successful transition to our new software platform.

548
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:40,730
This request seeks to establish a streamlined three-statement cycle, replacing the temporary measures

549
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:43,050
previously enacted from the October meeting.

550
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:49,330
The vendor currently only sends three statements, which is the industry practice.

551
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:53,970
In addition to that, we're including an email and a phone call to the person so

552
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:58,930
that to ensure that we got the correct information to send them the statements.

553
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:06,330
This process would, once it goes into the primary payer status of the patient or

554
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:12,350
guarantor, would not refer anybody collections any sooner than 95 days.

555
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:13,110
So

556
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:25,080
the request is to approve the policy for the collections of past due accounts.

557
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:25,620
Yes.

558
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,480
I move that we approve the policy as presented.

559
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:35,690
All those in favor?

560
00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:36,690
Aye.

561
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:38,790
Thank you.

562
00:48:39,110 --> 00:48:39,410
Thank you.

563
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:43,050
Next up, we have water resources.

564
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:52,610
I think it should be noted that the EMS works diligently with the people that they've provided service to.

565
00:48:52,610 --> 00:48:56,910
to try to work out the best payment program possible.

566
00:48:57,870 --> 00:49:04,310
But this works for their software, and I know they'll keep the human touch on things despite what the software does.

567
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,300
Good morning commissioners, Catherine Morris, Grand County Water Resources Manager.

568
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Purpose of my visit to you this morning is to let you know that the nature conservancy has come forward with an offer for funding for

569
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:34,060
a consultant to help execute projects with a number of different collaborative groups

570
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:43,300
with which county participates, sorry, county to valley restoration collaborative would

571
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:50,800
be one of them. Potential other groups would be learning by doing, you can't really call

572
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,900
the wildfire ready watersheds a group? Well, there's a stakeholder group, but it doesn't have a

573
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,780
life beyond the contract necessarily. But

574
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,580
A number of projects are identified in that process that you'll be hearing about, by the way, from the consultant next month, at the end of this month, on the 28th, and then also to act as a liaison with the Forest Service, to update their Forest and Recreation Priorities, and a liaison with Northern Water on their Source Water Protection Program. TNC reached out to us,

575
00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:43,940
and has talked to these different organizations separately or attended a meeting and now we're asking them to have a joint meeting together so that we can sort of flesh out a scope of work.

576
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:51,680
They have indicated a preference for having the county be the contracting agency.

577
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:13,620
So what we're wanting to do is just stay in discussions with the Nature Conservancy to learn more about this and what they're asking for, they've offered, I believe it's to potentially three years of funding and.

578
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:16,780
And so let me jump in real quick.

579
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:23,820
So commissioners, so Taylor Haas, who is with the Nature Conservancy and also new Taylor

580
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:29,560
very well, she's a CWCB commissioner for the Colorado Basin.

581
00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:33,240
She reached out to Catherine and I, we've had several discussions.

582
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:40,520
She's just, and it all started from sort of like, where does TNC fit in in the headwaters?

583
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:49,300
And how do we sort of advance some of these projects that different partners are in initiatives they're looking at?

584
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:57,260
And the county Chivaldi, the Kaverk project is just one of those that TNC's involved with.

585
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,620
But what are the other ones that we can advance?

586
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:04,560
And northern water has sort of been a cheerleader behind the scenes on this too.

587
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:06,740
And so I think there's a lot more to come.

588
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:10,560
and to figure out who would be that fiscal agent or who would contract with.

589
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,900
But then, if there was a TNC employee on the ground, who would they report to?

590
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,660
So we'll come back with all that information.

591
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:23,100
We just wanted to make sure that commissioners, you knew what we were up to.

592
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:31,940
And if you have any issues with that, that we would put the brakes on, but we didn't want to get out ahead of you on this.

593
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:38,220
appreciate that for sure. I guess one of my concerns on that one is is it's got a fire

594
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:44,420
wildfire resilience component to it and I think that should be something that you should

595
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:47,620
reach out to or this person should reach out to the wildfire council.

596
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,460
And I didn't include wildfire council in this memo. I thought was an oversight on my part

597
00:52:53,460 --> 00:53:01,260
there. I included in the meeting. But the funder, a private funder through TNC is interested

598
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:15,200
in watershed health in particular, and so not a perfect nexus there with wildfire in terms of forest projects, but certainly with riparian and other projects.

599
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,880
As we all know, those two things are connected.

600
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:19,160
Yes.

601
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:32,240
So that would be my concern. It's just make sure that we're including that forest mitigation prevention health component with this project.

602
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:43,360
And we're looking into it for sure and make sure that we're clearly on board with the scope of work whenever that comes out as to what they're doing and what it's expected to do.

603
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:47,720
Jessica is invited to that next meeting.

604
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,840
Yes, she's going to be at the table.

605
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:55,460
And I've had a separate conversation with her so she understands what's being proposed.

606
00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:02,920
I think it has a potential to be a really good thing and continuing discussions, I would

607
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:09,280
encourage you to do that as you say that the crucial point of that is going to be what

608
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:16,740
does it mean to help advance watershed health by pursuing multiple potential projects, right?

609
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,360
And who's going to be, we're seeing that so the description of the job and the expected

610
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,760
that outcomes will be crucial and obviously the right person for the job.

611
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:35,060
Someone, they've indicated a preference for someone with experience and we certainly support that.

612
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:45,340
And then who that person would be responsible to and how that management would work.

613
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:48,720
But yeah, go forth and sort it out.

614
00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:49,280
Okay.

615
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Thank you very much.

616
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,200
First of all, thank you.

617
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:24,740
We've got the county manager weekly update. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. Just to follow up from last week's Board of County Commissioner strategic priorities retreat. We are staff is following up on some of those items, including finalizing the AI vision plan. Also the energy audit. I did reach out and had a discussion with Helen Brown last week. You prompted her.

618
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,040
Commissioner Wagner.

619
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:34,400
here. So it's not a free program for county government. Just, just, you know,

620
00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:38,840
yeah. But it's

621
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,520
okay. It's very cost effective. It sounds like, and I'll be getting a list of buildings

622
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,680
and square footage to them in an enrollment form for an estimated cost. So.

623
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:53,780
And we were talking about what, three, four main buildings, something like that.

624
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:58,580
That administration building, judicial building and sheriff jail.

625
00:56:01,370 --> 00:56:10,970
Also, just another item following up, I'm going to have a conversation regarding child care with the town of Winter Park in Megan.

626
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:22,730
Also, commissioners Micah Draft to the RFQ, following the conversation regarding.

627
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:31,030
getting an RFQ out for a commercial realtor to list the EMS station one current property, 81 West Eggett Ave.

628
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:39,130
And moving forward, commissioners last week was the Grand County Alerts launch, which was really successful.

629
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:44,450
Yesterday at 2 p.m., we had nearly 2100 folks registered, which is great news.

630
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:47,810
I think we didn't think we would hit that target until the end of the month.

631
00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:53,690
So ahead and great work with all of our teams that have been pushing that out.

632
00:56:54,430 --> 00:57:01,630
It's been a great effort, so Commissioner George and I have a lower blue river working

633
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:06,650
group meeting on Thursday at 1 p.m. and Frisco and or on Microsoft Teams.

634
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:10,790
Commissioner George and I are also attending a site tour with Blue Valley Ranch on Friday

635
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:11,310
at 130.

636
00:57:15,970 --> 00:57:24,970
I'm sorry, I received an email from Kelly Friesen regarding the Juvenile Services Planning Committee

637
00:57:24,970 --> 00:57:34,190
and a request from the district judge for other commissioner or I to serve on that committee.

638
00:57:34,810 --> 00:57:37,990
They meet three times a year, so JSPC committee.

639
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:41,890
But either of you care to serve on that committee.

640
00:57:43,550 --> 00:57:44,550
I'd be willing to serve.

641
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:46,070
That's why you're second to you guys.

642
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:48,130
I think he's an either of you.

643
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:50,390
I think he was referring to you too.

644
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:51,550
Any of you will.

645
00:57:51,730 --> 00:57:52,950
Any of you want to volunteer so we can.

646
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:53,950
So let's stop.

647
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:54,210
Do.

648
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:55,590
Do you want to.

649
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:56,610
Or.

650
00:57:56,810 --> 00:57:56,850
Or.

651
00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:58,150
I'm ready to.

652
00:57:58,930 --> 00:58:00,910
I served in that committee for several years.

653
00:58:01,170 --> 00:58:01,410
When it was.

654
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:04,270
Wait, you had the experience.

655
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:04,490
No.

656
00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:11,210
So you were probably the first instinct to say thank you, sir, and move on.

657
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:14,990
And if neither of you, three, one, two, I would do it.

658
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:16,830
Okay, Commissioner George is-

659
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:18,250
Mr. George is-

660
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:20,110
I will get back to Kelly and the judge.

661
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:20,730
Thank you for doing that.

662
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:32,930
Okay, commissioners, with regard to on-site water treatment system, subject tank disposal, I did send an email out to all of our waste water treatment.

663
00:58:34,050 --> 00:58:42,050
facilities and those special districts and towns, and regarding and inquiring if they

664
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:47,490
have any plans to accept septic sewage in the near future.

665
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:53,530
Granby Sand District, so they might be interested if there was county participation since it's

666
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:55,370
all from unincorporated Granby County.

667
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:58,950
So I'll be scheduling a follow-up meeting with Granby Sand.

668
00:58:58,950 --> 00:59:14,410
And then also we understand that Kremlin San made an initial investment through a public private partnership with one of our local septic providers, or a disposal companies, but still can't accept material.

669
00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:25,050
We're going to follow up with Kremlin San, Micah had an initial conversation with Tom Yoder, which is there a WIM IRT or whatever.

670
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:39,250
But we're going to follow up, because if they made that investment, what's the plans in the future, do they have to get past some kind of permitting thing with CDPHE, and then will they be able to accept that the future will follow up?

671
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:57,230
But nonetheless, I've been also getting follow-up from, speak from the Colossian staff on this matter, as there have been public and some providers that have contacted the speaker regarding this in Grant County.

672
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:59,850
But what is green?

673
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:31,540
I'm going to be looking for us from the county because this is more of like a public entity accepting from private business. So like, so I don't know if there's an initial investment that needs to be done for a pretreatment sort of like crenling sanitation did. And what does that. Initial investment look like. And so I'll report back after I talk to Granby sanitation district. What are they doing with that now? If they can't dump it anywhere. They are taking it to route county.

674
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:46,320
So, apparently there's a facility in route county that has the ability under their CDPAT permit to allow for that, or they're taking it to Eagle County, or Adams, Adams County, yes.

675
01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:50,840
So, Abernasse Meadows won't take any?

676
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,980
No, no,

677
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:59,250
and their permit doesn't allow for it, and again, there's a pre-treatment component because

678
01:01:01,370 --> 01:01:02,950
Graphic care, but it's all solids.

679
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:04,530
We'll just say that.

680
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:07,370
Okay, there's not enough water in it.

681
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:12,770
All right, so I'll report back on that.

682
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:18,100
Commissioner Ragnar and I attended a recent

683
01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:23,400
Granby to Gran Lake transit route meeting with the Soda Springs HOA on March 27th.

684
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,480
Again, that route is a start in June through times of day.

685
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:36,600
I think they identified 1040 stop at sort of springs, a 155 stop and a 625 stop.

686
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:51,620
Anyway, looked into various locations there, but I think the proposal is to have the stop be located adjacent to the existing restaurant and the parking and an expanded area from the restaurant.

687
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:58,540
The goal is to work with the restaurant owner and the property owner of the restaurant and

688
01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:14,580
have some, and then there'll be some follow-up with the lift team basically to address some of the concerns of the HOA regarding parking trash, port-a-potties, etc., so more to come on that.

689
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:26,390
Commissioner Lincoln afforded the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service requests for information for the Colorado Wolf 10J.

690
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:35,070
They came out, that sounds like that official publication hit the register and the date is now in May.

691
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:38,470
May 11th is May 13th.

692
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:44,710
But nonetheless, I did, as I indicated, reached out back out to the middle park stock growers.

693
01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:53,750
I did receive some talking points last night, so I will be putting together a letter for your consideration.

694
01:02:58,340 --> 01:03:05,940
Missioners in your drop box, in your correspondence box, is a USDA Secretary of Ag drought disaster designation.

695
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:15,300
We received that yesterday, Grand County is one of 33 primary counties that are designated as a natural disaster area.

696
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:22,080
So that was forwarded on by Office of Emergency Management from the Northwest State Rep.

697
01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:31,360
So based on eligibility requirements, ag operators may be eligible for farm service agency emergency loan assistance.

698
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:38,540
So, more to come on that, but obviously, Office of Emergency Management can work probably

699
01:03:38,540 --> 01:03:48,080
with CSU Extension and work stock growers, as well as NRCS, assist.

700
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,000
Just while we're talking about drought,

701
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:03,840
we looked at the matrix for our fire ban stages at this point.

702
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:11,760
I know we're hoping to see a little more moisture before this week's out, but have we begun to look at that rubric and decide where we are with all that?

703
01:04:13,180 --> 01:04:20,200
I have not commissioner, but your sheriff that is very thoroughly involved in that process.

704
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:32,120
Commissioner Ragnar and I attended a short meeting with a group including the sheriff and the four service on a week ago yesterday on Monday.

705
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:40,340
They are, I believe, going to be having calls on every Monday and then the sheriff will be putting that on the agenda.

706
01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:42,380
So I believe the sheriff is looking at that, sir.

707
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:52,480
We do get some calls from various residents, anxious about how soon we might move to stage one at least.

708
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,500
And I know that it's really important because so much of our county is federal property.

709
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:18,680
That we work together so that we don't have a patchwork of, you can have a fire here, you can't have it there. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we were on top of that because everything looks like it's at least a month, maybe a month and a half early, compared to what we have seen over the past several years.

710
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:23,320
Ralph Medbo, national force was on that call as well as BLM.

711
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,600
So yes, it's very important to coordinate with all those federal agents.

712
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:32,520
Because we do have some Ralph Medbo over on the west side of the county, not a lot, but some.

713
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:36,860
I can reach out to the sheriff and see if he can give you guys an update.

714
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:38,660
Maybe next week, would that work?

715
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:39,620
The good.

716
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:44,720
Or at least put something in the box, it says this is where we are with the matrix.

717
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:59,310
Okay, that is all I have this time, and then we'll go into it.

718
01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:03,340
I'm going to do the attorney first.

719
01:06:05,860 --> 01:06:08,680
If you guys wouldn't mind, just because I've got to leave in ten minutes.

720
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:15,600
So I was contacted by the title company two weeks ago and I signed a release

721
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:20,640
of first rate of refusal for a property in the Pine Air subdivision.

722
01:06:22,580 --> 01:06:26,900
As standard, the form has been the same for years.

723
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:31,740
But now all of a sudden, the title company has requested that it be notarized.

724
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:38,000
It was never notarized before, so I have the exact same form with a notary signature and

725
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,480
would just request that the chair resign it with a notary.

726
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:51,390
Move that we authorize the chair to resign this release of first right of refusal for

727
01:06:51,390 --> 01:06:57,090
the lots one to six block one pioneer addition to the hot sulfur springs.

728
01:06:58,340 --> 01:06:59,680
All those in favor?

729
01:07:00,140 --> 01:07:00,320
Aye.

730
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:05,600
And that is all I have.

731
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,500
Oh, from the other rest.

732
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:32,110
I move that we go into executive session, pursuant to CRS 24-6-402-4E to determine positions relative to matters subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations, and instructing negotiators regarding the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.

733
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:38,930
President, the meeting will be the three commissioners, the county manager, the county assistant

734
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:44,470
manager, and anyone else said you'll be there, all right, and the county attorney.

735
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:51,990
That's all, and we're going into that at 9.38 a.m.

736
01:18:52,430 --> 01:19:15,330
So we are coming out of executive session. The executive session was pursuant to CRS 24-6-402-4E, to determine physicians relative to the matter of subject and negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations and instructing negotiators regarding the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority. And it is now 9.49. We

737
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:26,110
are instructing the county manager to finalize

738
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:35,010
the agreements with the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority contingent upon.

739
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:35,490
So,

740
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:45,300
I recommend the BOCC approve the Winter Park URA-TIFF agreement and authorize the chair to execute outside of the meeting via stamp signature.

741
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:53,860
On two things, one, that the TIFF district's map be provided to include with the

742
01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:03,400
For assessor office expenses, receiving

743
01:20:10,340 --> 01:20:28,180
that. And that the signature would be by the chair outside the meeting. Yes sir. And I might come sign that rather than just use my state. That would be good. That would be fun. And we have a dollar amount and that assessor agreement

744
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:56,460
with Sarah here. Is it with Sarah here? Is it okay to ask her a question, Mr. Chair? Absolutely.

745
01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:17,080
We had some discussion about the TIFF financing area and the URA, and I wondered if you could comment on whether they are the same or whether the TIFF financing area is a subset of the overall URA.

746
01:21:17,940 --> 01:21:19,320
Sure, thank you, Commissioner.

747
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:22,800
Sarah, Executive Director of the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.

748
01:21:23,020 --> 01:21:26,160
It's a pleasure to be here with you this morning as I shared with my guy.

749
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:32,300
I was literally driving by, so I was just going to stop in because I take trough road all the time now.

750
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:41,800
So for your question, Commissioner George, the Urban Renewal Authority's boundaries is the entire town of Winter Park.

751
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:47,880
And then there are plan areas that you adopt within the authorities' boundaries.

752
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:50,480
And so we have one plan area.

753
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:57,280
It is broken into two-tiff districts that are slightly smaller than the plan area itself.

754
01:21:57,820 --> 01:22:03,800
And it has to do with that there are some parcels that will never be property tax revenue generating.

755
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:09,920
Given their current use, for example, is the town hall and its current status.

756
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:23,520
So it's all really close aligned, but yeah, we had a slight conversation just to make sure we got the right map that you're requesting, and that should be no problem for our GIS team to pull together for you.

757
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:33,000
From an informational standpoint, I would appreciate seeing the one that shows the whole area and the subset and the subset.

758
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,960
Absolutely. We can provide that to you through Mr. Moyer.

759
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:37,680
Thank you.

760
01:22:37,860 --> 01:22:38,480
That would be great.

761
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,680
And appreciate all your efforts in pulling this together.

762
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:42,440
Certainly.

763
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,120
It's been a pleasure to work with you all, and I'm excited for what lies in the future

764
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,560
for the county and the community with this development.

765
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:49,820
Thank you.

766
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,120
Oh, thank you, sir.

767
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:57,440
So the managers stated it, but I would go ahead and make a formal motion that we approve

768
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:05,180
what he stated in terms of the acceptance of the agreement and contingent upon the receipt

769
01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:07,380
of the two items he mentioned as well.

770
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,360
All those in favor?

771
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,280
All right.

772
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:13,160
Commissioner.

773
01:23:13,460 --> 01:23:14,320
Thank you.

774
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:19,940
Oh my gosh, I was not, my microphone was not on this whole time.

775
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:24,640
I apologize, but if you want me to participate, please restate.

776
01:23:24,700 --> 01:23:26,360
I'm just going to be able to quickly summarize.

777
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,380
Let me just restate the motion.

778
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,240
I recommend the BOCC approval of the Winter Park URA, TIFF agreement, and

779
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:40,420
an authorize a chair to execute outside the meeting via stamp signature, contingent on two items.

780
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:47,800
One, the TIFF district's map be provided to include with the parcel list in exhibit A.

781
01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:58,160
And two, a separate reimbursement agreement being provided for assessor office expenses and be reviewed by legal prior to being presented to the Board of County Commissioners for approval and signature.

782
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:00,460
And again,

783
01:24:00,460 --> 01:24:06,460
And thank you, Marcy, Elina, Micah, Max for their time and effort.

784
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,920
And working with me on this and also a big thank you to Sarah Ott.

785
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:15,750
And Ed Ragnar.

786
01:24:16,210 --> 01:24:16,310
Yes.

787
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:19,310
Those meetings were very long.

788
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:20,070
Thank you.

789
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:21,230
All those in favor?

790
01:24:21,850 --> 01:24:22,230
Aye.

791
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:23,950
All right.

792
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:25,090
All right.

793
01:24:25,090 --> 01:24:25,390
Thank you.

794
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:32,110
All right, moving forward we've got board business.

795
01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:33,630
We'll do the correspondence.

796
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:48,180
So, before we jump to that, Micah, we didn't have, uh, you do your items?

797
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:49,080
Yeah.

798
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:50,780
I, since your apologies.

799
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,800
Can we jump back to?

800
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:55,640
I didn't know if you wanted to skip them for now in the interest of time.

801
01:24:56,380 --> 01:24:56,480
Okay.

802
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:58,340
Back to him later.

803
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,280
All right.

804
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:32,160
Okay. Okay. Christine sent out information last week to employees about jet dental coming to grain county August 20th. They are an in network dental provider. We'll be set up in the employee lunchroom here on the second floor of the administration building to do cleanings and whitenings. Employees just need to sign up. We would like for employees to sign up by June 15th, so we know whether or not we meet our minimum numbers. If we do not meet that minimum, we will have to cancel the event.

805
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,960
we have to have between 20 and 25 appointments scheduled for that morning.

806
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:43,480
Fairbook ads and sponsorships were due last week. In the past, they have received approximately

807
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:52,840
70 sponsorships. They are sitting at about 110 right now with more struggling in. So really great

808
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:58,180
news for the fair this year. It's awesome. And the fair board is going to be moving forward with

809
01:25:58,180 --> 01:26:03,240
the contract for a concert to be held on August 1 at the fairgrounds, you will see that

810
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:04,840
contract after it's been routed.

811
01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:12,800
And then on the wellness committee front of things, drum roll please, we had two winners

812
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,380
in our March madness brackets.

813
01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:24,140
Our winners were Christine Travis and David Buckley and in as words they picked the team

814
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:32,300
up north that won the NCAA March Madness, they will both be receiving a prize from the Wellness

815
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:36,500
Committee, not sure what that's going to be yet. But thank you to the whole Wellness Committee,

816
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,320
and Christine actually is the one that gets that information out to people, so we appreciate that.

817
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:47,920
They all land on my desk and then I manage it from there, but we are looking for some March Madness

818
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,960
Enthusias that would like to maybe head that up next year, maybe somebody who knows a little bit

819
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:57,120
more about it than I do. But you can't say that word when you have family in Ohio.

820
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,340
The team up north is how he's been referring to it.

821
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,080
Do you see the spouse of a Penn state or I would, it's similar.

822
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:11,070
That is all I have for you, commissioners. Thank you.

823
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,120
So commissioners, I'm just pivoting over to some of the

824
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:28,960
board business. So you have two letters that were approved and stamped outside of the

825
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:37,100
meeting last week that you need to please ratify this morning. One was the Sheriff's Office

826
01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:44,520
Congressional Directed Spending Letter Support for their application, and the second was

827
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:55,120
because the emergency management communications month proclamation declaring April 2nd as Grand County Alerts Day.

828
01:27:57,070 --> 01:28:03,760
I would request a motion for both of those ratify both of those.

829
01:28:03,940 --> 01:28:11,360
Move to approve the ratification of the letter of support regarding the Sheriff's Congress on Directed Spending Requests.

830
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:15,460
Authorize the commissioners to sign that document.

831
01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:17,860
All those in favor?

832
01:28:18,580 --> 01:28:19,180
Aye.

833
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:22,680
They're ratification, so it's already been signed and said.

834
01:28:23,420 --> 01:28:24,900
Do we actually cite it in person?

835
01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:25,580
Okay, no.

836
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:28,440
We've got the EMS file.

837
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,240
There's another letter of support, just, okay, yeah.

838
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,740
Move to, that's different, that's different.

839
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:46,260
Move to approve the ratification of the emergency communications month proclamation, as Mr.

840
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:48,840
Mr. Moyer mentioned April 2nd, his Grand County Alerts Day.

841
01:28:49,820 --> 01:28:50,760
All those in favor?

842
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:51,700
Aye.

843
01:28:54,340 --> 01:28:56,360
Now, proclamation,

844
01:28:58,860 --> 01:29:03,230
Mr. Chair is going to read of the delegation.

845
01:29:03,670 --> 01:29:03,930
I love it.

846
01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:07,630
Proclamation from the Board of County Commissioners of the County of Grand.

847
01:29:08,290 --> 01:29:15,150
Whereas the Grand County Board of County Commissioners recognizes June 6, 2026 as the 50th anniversary celebration of the late,

848
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:17,790
M.L. Warner becoming the first woman in the United States

849
01:29:17,790 --> 01:29:19,450
airline history to upgrade to Captain.

850
01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:22,650
And whereas M.L. Howell Warner is Colorado's most

851
01:29:22,650 --> 01:29:24,310
celebrated female airline pilot,

852
01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:27,070
a 25 plus year Grand County resident,

853
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:28,850
co-founder of Urae Ranch Development,

854
01:29:29,550 --> 01:29:31,170
and original Grand County Bank Investor,

855
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:34,150
friends of Grand Prix Airport founding board member,

856
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:36,990
and whereas on March 8, 1973,

857
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:39,670
M.L. Warner shattered the glass ceiling

858
01:29:39,670 --> 01:29:41,150
of the U.S. airline flight deck

859
01:29:41,150 --> 01:29:43,110
as frontier airlines first woman pilot,

860
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:47,690
opening commercial aviation for other female pilots creating gender equity and

861
01:29:47,690 --> 01:29:52,870
inclusion in the U.S. airline flight decks and whereas 1974 Emily Warner became

862
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:58,090
the first female member of the airline pilots association and whereas Emily

863
01:29:58,090 --> 01:29:59,970
Warner held membership number one is a

864
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
Founding member of the International Society of Women, Airline Pilots, Colorado Pilots Association, and friends of the Grand B Grand County Airport end. Whereas Emily Warner was inducted into the Women in Aviation International Pioneer Hall of Fame, National Women's Hall of Fame, National Aviation Hall of Fame, Irish American Hall of Fame, Colorado Women's Hall of Fame, Colorado Aviation Hall of Fame, and the Grand B Airport Wall of Fame. Whereas Emily's Wander's Frontier Airline Uniformes Exhibited in the Smithsonian Air

865
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:35,100
in Space Museum and whereas Emily Warner was honored by the Colorado Joint Resolution

866
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:43,640
949, on on Captain Emily Warner of the Achievements in Aviation History 1994 and whereas in 2015

867
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:49,040
Grammy, Green County Airport was named Emily Warner Field to honor her many local and aviation

868
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:55,240
contributions with an award-winning community aviation museum on the airport and whereas the

869
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:59,960
Colorado Senate and House representatives jointly created a March 8, 2023 tribute to

870
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:02,800
to celebrate Emilie Warner and the women airline pilots.

871
01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:05,880
And therefore the Green County Board of Commissioners

872
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:10,360
declares June 6th, 2026 as the 50th anniversary

873
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,380
of Emilie Warner becoming the first female airline captain

874
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:17,420
in U.S. history, dated this day of April 7th, 2026.

875
01:31:19,770 --> 01:31:20,350
Thank you.

876
01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:23,090
We approve the proclamation as red.

877
01:31:24,090 --> 01:31:24,870
All those in favor?

878
01:31:25,290 --> 01:31:25,430
Aye.

879
01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:32,790
We have a request for a letter of support

880
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:36,290
a draft in the box here of a letter of support for the Mountain Parks Electric.

881
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:38,210
That item was actually pulled, sir.

882
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:39,790
That was pulled, okay.

883
01:31:40,130 --> 01:31:40,830
Sorry, it's not.

884
01:31:42,540 --> 01:31:42,960
Box.

885
01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:47,060
They're going to be seeking a future grant.

886
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,880
I think it's a brick grant coming up.

887
01:31:50,140 --> 01:31:59,900
So they'll be asked to provide an updated letter of support regarding that specific grant in the future.

888
01:31:59,900 --> 01:32:00,900
We

889
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,000
have a lot of correspondence in here as you mentioned.

890
01:32:10,180 --> 01:32:14,760
The drought disaster was mentioned already.

891
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,220
There's a drug take back day if you're needing to get rid of your prescription drugs.

892
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:27,740
And that's going to be on Saturday the 25th of April, 10-2 at the Sheriff's Office.

893
01:32:30,460 --> 01:32:32,080
Forest Service Headquarters move.

894
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:38,340
There's a reorganization of the Forest Service, and that seems like it moved in a good direction.

895
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,880
There's a notice on that.

896
01:32:41,620 --> 01:32:47,000
The mountain park's electric fire protection settings that they're setting things to be

897
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:54,200
more sensitive, just to be able to shut down the power lines in case there's potential for

898
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:54,560
fire.

899
01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:05,600
There is a final determination of the request for Habitat for Humanity regarding their tax status.

900
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:07,480
That's in there as well.

901
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:19,260
USDA has gone into stage one fire restrictions for the front range of the RAPO National Forest.

902
01:33:19,980 --> 01:33:26,660
There's a Veterans Resource Fair that's coming up in Kremlin on Thursday, April 30th.

903
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:31,920
So veterans interested in getting access to a variety of services.

904
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,520
That's a great place to meet.

905
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,140
They'll be meeting at 10, 15.

906
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:37,640
They'll be lunch provided there.

907
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,520
It goes at least until 2 in the afternoon.

908
01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:52,080
And there's also a letter from Excel Energy regarding gas service in the county.

909
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:55,100
Ed, did you want to make any comment on that one?

910
01:33:55,100 --> 01:34:21,640
Yeah, just to just quickly, I have had a brief conversation with John Peacock, the town manager of Winner Park, I think that they will be they've also been having some discussion with Excel were I believe trying to take the next step is to get a meeting set with Excel, so I'll I'll be updating you all and if one of you want to join, that would be great too.

911
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:29,140
I happen to be talking to a gentleman who was an architect and he was talking about the

912
01:34:29,140 --> 01:34:35,840
new building codes and wildfire readiness and the desire of the state to have everything

913
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,260
geared to be electric in the future.

914
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:47,840
And he was talking about the significant cost increases that that was creating for new homes

915
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,840
and even as an architect, he was having the higher

916
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,760
opens

917
01:34:55,470 --> 01:34:58,490
to review his plans to find out

918
01:34:58,490 --> 01:34:59,970
if they were meeting all of the book.

919
01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:32,120
So, I'll follow up with you, but I think the goal is to have a sit down and talk about capacity in Grand County, especially with existing customers and proposed new development. The other side of that is we have a meeting in just a little bit with Mountain Park's electric about what service they're able to provide. So, I would say just two things on that. One is that the drug take back day and actually is really important.

920
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,060
And I talked to one of the water and sand guys about that.

921
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,740
I was just watching down the toilet when they were expired,

922
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,980
but it's a very dangerous thing to do for the water scale.

923
01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:42,940
And especially if you're in a well or not,

924
01:35:42,940 --> 01:35:45,260
if you're in public, it's really important to do those.

925
01:35:45,860 --> 01:35:47,400
And then I actually had ran into Blair,

926
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:50,900
just kind of off the cuff, and I'd asked her about this,

927
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:55,950
and it was looking more for support of the influence,

928
01:35:56,290 --> 01:35:58,670
not so much like money and assets, is what it's all

929
01:36:00,910 --> 01:36:01,330
about.

930
01:36:01,330 --> 01:36:03,870
That was my concern, was I go, so you want us to pay

931
01:36:03,870 --> 01:36:05,270
for a private company's infrastructure.

932
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:17,550
She was like seeing no that they're just looking for a little bit of guidance and a little bit of collaboration with the municipalities in the county and just as they push forward our support with helping them so next

933
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,220
we had do we want to.

934
01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:37,100
There's also a good item in the box about the collision crossing while by life crossing setups so that's really good.

935
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:41,720
We see that, that's a Senate bill that's coming forth from Senator Roberts.

936
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:51,300
Basically, holding up Highway 9's wildlife crossings as a great example.

937
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:57,480
And saying that we ought to fund this statewide by voluntary contributions when people register their vehicles.

938
01:36:59,140 --> 01:37:00,260
Volunteer is the key.

939
01:37:00,260 --> 01:37:07,560
I did talk to Dylan about this involuntary being the key which drove home with me several times.

940
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:13,780
He knows our feelings on such things and actually I would have

941
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:20,140
to be OCC for this because he's been a really successful.

942
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,440
Maybe even testify if he needed that.

943
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:29,520
It's dramatically reduced the wildlife car collisions for sure.

944
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:36,240
I mean, to make about a $5 contribution that people wanted to make it, I think it should not be limited to that.

945
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,900
If somebody wants to put in 10 or 50 or 500, that should be an option as well.

946
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:44,800
But I know that there shouldn't be a ceiling, right?

947
01:37:45,220 --> 01:37:46,520
How was so do you want to continue to do that?

948
01:37:46,980 --> 01:37:49,000
Yes, be okay with writing the letter of support for this.

949
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,160
Yes, yes, yes, I don't know, has it been introduced yet?

950
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,440
It has a number, so I'm not going to have to see it.

951
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:01,580
It doesn't have a number, yeah, and I know that it's kind of interesting.

952
01:38:01,580 --> 01:38:10,740
I think I talked to Katie at CCI and they had decided that it didn't really have enough of a county nexus for CCI to support it.

953
01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:18,800
So I think it's kind of important for us, I know about agency bringing

954
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:21,780
up this week.

955
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:28,980
Because a few of us have talked to you so I know someone was going to write a letter of support Gunnison and a couple other counties were going to write a letter of support.

956
01:38:29,980 --> 01:38:31,720
I'm not going to get CCI behind it.

957
01:38:32,060 --> 01:38:40,120
I would think route would as well because they're very eager to have that west of steam

958
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:40,960
mode on U.S. 40.

959
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:42,660
I can reach out to Sony.

960
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:46,400
I think she was on that email chain, so if she wasn't on the email chain, I'll reach

961
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:46,780
out to her.

962
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:49,780
I can reach out to Aegean C also.

963
01:38:52,220 --> 01:38:56,880
So do you want to wait a week until it has a...

964
01:38:58,180 --> 01:39:00,580
Why don't you guys just go ahead and put something together and then because then we just

965
01:39:00,580 --> 01:39:01,600
fill in the blank with whatever.

966
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:01,880
Okay.

967
01:39:02,260 --> 01:39:02,420
Okay.

968
01:39:02,420 --> 01:39:02,620
All right.

969
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:03,220
Okay.

970
01:39:03,700 --> 01:39:04,100
I have a

971
01:39:08,710 --> 01:39:09,870
public hearing.

972
01:39:09,870 --> 01:39:10,370
You're 1015.

973
01:39:10,450 --> 01:39:11,590
Why don't we just take a break for?

974
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:17,150
You can happen.

975
01:39:17,710 --> 01:39:18,030
Yeah.

976
01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:20,910
There are no remonstrances, so it doesn't have to be a public hearing.

977
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:27,630
I just want to hammer through on the correspondence and calendars.

978
01:39:28,730 --> 01:39:29,350
Let's take a break.

979
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:32,050
We'll take a quick five minute break and we'll come on back.

980
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:32,530
.

981
01:47:27,380 --> 01:47:32,160
There's 10. 17. We went a little long on our break there. We are back in.

982
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,860
Yeah, let's do, so we've got the public hearing for the Rotary Club of Granby, the special event permit.

983
01:47:40,860 --> 01:47:41,620
So

984
01:47:48,310 --> 01:48:06,070
I can record our Joleen Linky and because we have had no remonstrances, we can cancel the public hearing and the request is from David Brockway, the event manager of the Rotary Club in Granby requesting a special events permit to do liquor and

985
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:13,170
Malt and Vina spiritual liquor at the Flying Hales Arena at 62819 U.S. Highway 40 in

986
01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:23,070
Granby on June 6th. June 13th, June 20th, June 27th, July 3rd, July 4th, July 5th, July 11th,

987
01:48:24,830 --> 01:48:35,070
July 18th, and July 25th, 20th, 26th. All this summer, and they will. Do this from 5 p.m.

988
01:48:35,070 --> 01:48:41,430
until 10 p.m., all fees have been paid to the state and to Grant County and the Sheriff's Office has posted a notice and

989
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:46,590
no remonstraints has been received, therefore we would like to recommend approval for their request.

990
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:56,380
I move that we approve the special events liquor license as

991
01:48:57,200 --> 01:49:00,060
presented, you know, authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents.

992
01:49:01,140 --> 01:49:03,520
Thank you. All those in favor. Hi.

993
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:04,620
All right, a

994
01:49:14,860 --> 01:49:19,520
little early Mr. Johnson, we've got 10.25 AM workshop

995
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,580
with the B.O.C.C. for migration from Granicus.

996
01:49:29,060 --> 01:49:33,720
Thank you, commissioners. Thomas Johnson, Grand County IT Director and Chief Information Security Officer.

997
01:49:34,300 --> 01:49:46,360
I have a couple of things to talk about today in this workshop. One is the Granicus Migration and then a quick update on where we're at from Google Workspace Migration Perspective.

998
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:54,000
The reason we're coming to you today is because you're meeting and how citizens get to those

999
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:59,360
meetings is changing, so we want to make sure that you're aware of that and on board with

1000
01:49:59,360 --> 01:49:59,920
what we're doing.

1001
01:50:00,300 --> 01:50:08,700
So it's not a surprise to anybody. It's on public record. So currently, we have been hosting

1002
01:50:09,460 --> 01:50:17,300
our BOCC public meetings material in Google drives. That's a transition from using the

1003
01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:23,860
box tool. And so that's been happening the last two meetings I believe. So today's meeting

1004
01:50:23,860 --> 01:50:41,660
if anyone went into the meeting link, they would be presented with a Google Drive interface which looks very similar to box to find the presentations and the correspondence and things of that nature.

1005
01:50:42,860 --> 01:50:47,200
So that's the first change that our constituents would see.

1006
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:51,060
So, not much difference. We need to change our vocabulary.

1007
01:50:52,580 --> 01:50:57,680
Could referring to it as the box and start referring to Google Drive, right?

1008
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:00,920
Yeah. Or the Google box.

1009
01:51:01,480 --> 01:51:05,840
Or the public meetings folder or the thing.

1010
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,480
My mother likes to say the Google, so that's the Google.

1011
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:10,720
Additionally,

1012
01:51:12,820 --> 01:51:20,920
today's meeting is currently being recorded in Granicus and today those

1013
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:26,520
that wish to not join Zoom and just watch the live stream, which is delayed by about

1014
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:26,960
three minutes.

1015
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:36,180
But the stream on Granicus can, our next meeting on the 14th, we plan on not having that.

1016
01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:45,760
And if people want to watch or listen or participate that they must join Zoom, because that would be our only avenue for that.

1017
01:51:46,860 --> 01:52:01,400
In addition, we will continue to record the meetings, and then we'll be placing those meetings much like, can you go back to for any three?

1018
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:09,840
under recordings, you'll see that there's an MP4, which is a video.

1019
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:13,500
And so that's a recording of the meeting like we were doing on Granicus.

1020
01:52:13,660 --> 01:52:18,200
So we've been doing that in parallel for a little bit since the first of the year.

1021
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:26,740
And so we're placing all of those recordings into the same directory structure on the public meetings drive.

1022
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:31,260
So that the public can get to those meetings.

1023
01:52:31,260 --> 01:52:48,680
So, we're not really the only capability that will be different for our constituents is where they go to see the meetings or self-served to download meetings or download content that's publicly available.

1024
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:56,200
Are they allowed? Can you join the Zoom like anonymously, like if someone wants to watch the meeting but they don't want us to know that they're watching?

1025
01:52:56,200 --> 01:53:03,140
obviously public comment we insist they identify themselves but if someone wants to can they join zoom and I just don't know

1026
01:53:03,140 --> 01:53:07,080
I've never tried they can't I mean you'll you'll still see them in the meeting

1027
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,540
so they'll just be like anonymous or what have you

1028
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,600
depends on what they choose to put down for their name right

1029
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,100
fair enough okay thank you yeah

1030
01:53:20,180 --> 01:53:23,800
but like you said this morning you said you know state your

1031
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:34,020
If somebody wanted to watch us without knowing that we're being watched, they should have that option.

1032
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:39,500
And they can go to the meeting after it's been recorded as well.

1033
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:52,240
So, Thomas, why are on the topic of recording what is our proposed plan as far as holding on to meeting recordings?

1034
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,800
Yep, so I'll go over a little bit of that.

1035
01:53:56,070 --> 01:54:04,760
So in discussion with staff and reviewing the regulatory requirements, we made a decision

1036
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:18,360
to ensure that all of the recordings from granicus were copied to this new structure since the

1037
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:19,500
beginning of 2020.

1038
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:22,820
money, so we'll have six years of recordings.

1039
01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:32,660
And we have updated most of the links on the website, which we'll look through in a second

1040
01:54:32,660 --> 01:54:37,080
to reflect how to get to those easily.

1041
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:46,680
We haven't finalized what our retention period should be, but really regulatory requirements

1042
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:55,180
I wouldn't say if there is events of public interest that are significant, you should keep those in archive those, right?

1043
01:54:55,460 --> 01:54:59,740
So as an example, if we had a special meeting about the East troublesome-

1044
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,980
And fire comes to mind that was significant, right? Or if we're, you know, selling some land and there's a large discussion about it and it's historically significant, we should keep those. But the requirement for public meetings for the official record on minutes is obviously the clerk in recorders minutes, right? These recorded meetings are a courtesy to the public.

1045
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:38,240
public and we based on storage and effort to migrate, we felt, you know, five, a little

1046
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:42,520
bit over five years now of that kind of data would be good, especially through the period

1047
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,660
of East troublesome fire and COVID and all of that.

1048
01:55:46,940 --> 01:55:48,760
When did we start recording meetings?

1049
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:59,040
We started recording meetings in 2015 and these are publicly linked and there's a difference

1050
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:06,900
because we took every recording we ever had in Granicus and stored it, but we only linked to our website 2020 to current.

1051
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:13,400
Right, so if someone came in and said, boy, we really need to hear something from 2018, it's there.

1052
01:56:13,780 --> 01:56:17,320
You could find it, but it's not linked to the website.

1053
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,120
They could put in a query request for it.

1054
01:56:20,300 --> 01:56:21,180
It could absolutely.

1055
01:56:21,340 --> 01:56:22,280
All right, so it's available.

1056
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:31,110
I have a prior request for any information that we have currently in our inventory that hasn't expired through retention periods.

1057
01:56:31,930 --> 01:56:40,910
So they could and I would very quickly show them that they could self-service by going to the public meetings link and drilling into the year and pulling that file themselves.

1058
01:56:40,910 --> 01:56:45,750
themselves, and they could through, would you say, 2020, right?

1059
01:56:46,510 --> 01:56:53,350
But 2020, it's on the website, 2015, all the way, it's through the public meetings interface.

1060
01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:58,710
So it's easier when you go to the website, and I'll show you that here in a second, I definitely want to show you that.

1061
01:56:59,410 --> 01:57:08,130
If you go, if you go click on county commissioners there, Micah, as an example, you see a 2015 folder there, right?

1062
01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:14,450
So if we go inside that 2015 folder and this was the very beginning of when we started doing

1063
01:57:14,450 --> 01:57:23,090
Granicus go into that 317 will be fine. Any meeting content that we had in that Granicus might

1064
01:57:23,090 --> 01:57:30,850
have not been fully there yet. We can go to like a 2018 but all the meeting contents there, 2015,

1065
01:57:31,170 --> 01:57:38,010
anything we had in box or Granicus we put into these folder structures go up to 2018 or yeah that's

1066
01:57:38,010 --> 01:57:40,070
looks like it's going to be better that

1067
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:52,750
of hunting and pecking in the 2015. Let's move to 2018 because

1068
01:58:07,460 --> 01:58:13,940
got it in a second. All the content that we had has already been copied. So it's going to be

1069
01:58:13,940 --> 01:58:18,580
hunting for. And that's the drive within our website that anybody... It's the same for every using

1070
01:58:18,580 --> 01:58:22,600
today. That's correct. Publicly accessible because it's public content.

1071
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:25,870
Can we go to the website?

1072
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:33,500
But currently on our homepage of the website, we have two buttons. One's called agendas in minutes

1073
01:58:33,500 --> 01:58:36,720
and listen to meetings, and that's going to change.

1074
01:58:36,860 --> 01:58:38,860
They're going to be collapsed into one button.

1075
01:58:41,260 --> 01:58:43,640
Currently, the listen to meetings takes us to Granicus,

1076
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:44,620
which we're not going to go.

1077
01:58:44,820 --> 01:58:46,620
I'm not going to show you how we're doing it today.

1078
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,580
I'm going to show you how we're doing it next week.

1079
01:58:49,540 --> 01:58:51,860
If you click on Agenda and Minutes,

1080
01:58:54,290 --> 01:58:56,510
this is where all the agendas are always posted.

1081
01:58:56,630 --> 01:58:59,270
They have been posted since beginning of time

1082
01:58:59,270 --> 01:59:02,690
and where the clerk uploads the minutes to the meeting.

1083
01:59:03,310 --> 01:59:07,450
And so if we go down to county commissioners, since we're in a county commissioners meeting,

1084
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:13,890
you'll see like today's agenda on April 7th is there, it's his tentative agenda.

1085
01:59:14,370 --> 01:59:18,930
And if you click, that's where individuals find what's on the agenda for that meeting, right?

1086
01:59:19,630 --> 01:59:20,670
And that's always been true.

1087
01:59:21,410 --> 01:59:26,590
And within that agenda is the links to listen to the board of county commissioners meeting,

1088
01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:32,350
which is the link to Zoom and how to view supporting documents for the meeting.

1089
01:59:33,530 --> 01:59:37,670
And the viewing supporting documents takes you to that new Google Drive right now.

1090
01:59:38,010 --> 01:59:43,930
So if you say open link, you'll see that it takes you to the current meeting of supporting

1091
01:59:43,930 --> 01:59:44,610
documents.

1092
01:59:45,190 --> 01:59:46,510
If we go back to that website,

1093
01:59:50,620 --> 01:59:55,560
you'll notice some icons, so like on the March 24 meeting, there's

1094
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,960
There's a minutes column which we haven't published official minutes yet, but there is a-

1095
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:18,260
We have a television icon and a speaker icon. And then the very top of this web page is an explanation of the icons. But if you click on the speaker icon, that takes you to the Google Drive. That's the supporting documents. And if you go back and click on the television icon,

1096
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:27,100
that takes you to the recording, which is hosted on that same drive. And you can play that. That's a recorded meeting.

1097
02:00:29,210 --> 02:00:42,580
So talk about the recordings we've had a few comments from folks that the recordings are difficult to comprehend and I'm part of the problem and I think we're all trying to do better as I'm doing right now, staying closer to the mic.

1098
02:00:42,700 --> 02:00:49,960
Is there anything else we can do to help with clarity in that? Is there anything we can do along those lines?

1099
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:56,760
Yeah, the you know that if you can if you can like I can hear myself out of that back room speaker right now

1100
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:01,320
So I know that what's being captured is good, right?

1101
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:08,200
So you know the proper distance from the microphone is is the best not you know

1102
02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:11,760
Since we do have transcripts and the recording

1103
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:18,520
You know stating all the things in the transcript and a formal matter will help with the transcription

1104
02:01:19,620 --> 02:01:21,940
But that's really it.

1105
02:01:22,220 --> 02:01:25,460
That are microphone management from the better microphone management.

1106
02:01:26,300 --> 02:01:32,520
One of the capabilities, if you go to the video, that's the end, which is that second tab.

1107
02:01:37,110 --> 02:01:44,210
So on the left are the public can download these files if they need to, right?

1108
02:01:44,330 --> 02:01:50,130
So we're allowing self-service as much as possible to public content.

1109
02:01:52,340 --> 02:01:58,040
That's all I have for the granny kiss box side of things, Ernie.

1110
02:01:58,980 --> 02:02:00,040
How many questions concerns?

1111
02:02:00,380 --> 02:02:06,400
So the other system that records the meeting, right, is there another, what is the clerk?

1112
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:17,700
Yes, so the clerk in recorder also has for the record software on her machine that also records audio.

1113
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:21,880
And it's fed by the same microphones that feed everything else, right?

1114
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:29,840
Right, but that's a secondary copy used to create the official record of the meeting minutes.

1115
02:02:30,460 --> 02:02:34,380
And how long are we retaining those recordings?

1116
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:42,220
The recordings are retained in accordance with the retention requirement and the clerk can correct me where I get wrong.

1117
02:02:42,820 --> 02:02:49,560
But I believe it's 30 days after the publishing of the meeting minutes is the requirement.

1118
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:55,420
how long is up to the clerk and recorder, but that's the requirement, something like 30.

1119
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:59,180
It's 30 or 60 days, clerk can correct me where I'm wrong.

1120
02:03:09,590 --> 02:03:14,010
And that'd be a discussion outside of this, I can't answer that question.

1121
02:03:20,010 --> 02:03:26,190
Just for the sake of interest, I went to January of 2016, January 6th, and

1122
02:03:26,190 --> 02:03:32,150
clicked on that television icon, and it says this file was not playable.

1123
02:03:32,150 --> 02:03:36,850
And yet, or being processed, or?

1124
02:03:37,610 --> 02:03:39,930
Is this video file is unplayable?

1125
02:03:40,110 --> 02:03:41,170
Learn more, download.

1126
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:43,410
Connect more apps.

1127
02:03:43,630 --> 02:03:45,070
It's not playable through the browser,

1128
02:03:45,590 --> 02:03:47,710
but it's playable if you download it.

1129
02:03:48,350 --> 02:03:48,890
I see.

1130
02:03:49,210 --> 02:03:49,370
Okay.

1131
02:03:50,190 --> 02:03:51,810
Now there's different file formats

1132
02:03:51,810 --> 02:03:53,690
between Granicus and what we're doing right now,

1133
02:03:53,710 --> 02:03:56,730
so there's some technical oddities at times.

1134
02:03:56,830 --> 02:03:59,670
What's the file format for Granicus?

1135
02:04:01,650 --> 02:04:09,090
I think for a, I think that I, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I can get that answer to it.

1136
02:04:09,090 --> 02:04:12,690
I mean it says MP4, but it must not be,

1137
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:18,040
just curious about that.

1138
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:30,280
One of the things I noticed on the newer recordings and more recent ones is they've got some real advantages in that you can scroll through and get to a point, you can run it at double speed or whatever you can.

1139
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:30,600
Exactly.

1140
02:04:30,940 --> 02:04:31,600
Why do you think so?

1141
02:04:31,860 --> 02:04:33,540
But the Granicus ones, maybe not.

1142
02:04:33,780 --> 02:04:33,920
No.

1143
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:34,920
All right.

1144
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,880
These recordings, again, are coming from Zoom.

1145
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:40,640
That's correct.

1146
02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:41,360
The new ones.

1147
02:04:41,420 --> 02:04:41,780
The new ones.

1148
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:42,380
Yeah, the new ones.

1149
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:45,880
That's why they have the more advanced features of scrubbing and-

1150
02:04:46,620 --> 02:04:50,120
And when did we transition to that?

1151
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:54,020
January 1st, Iish.

1152
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:59,980
It was January 1st, because we were testing it out in November, December, and started recording-

1153
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,760
Starting in January.

1154
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:10,000
Another question is now when I open a new tab, I think this is more

1155
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:16,690
like the Google migration, but I go here, I'll just open it on site. Does Internet

1156
02:05:16,690 --> 02:05:21,030
home, whereas I used to open the Internet, I'd open a tab, and it would go right to our,

1157
02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:25,270
you know, kind of landing page. Now just goes to Internet home, is that?

1158
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:28,960
Oh, I know there's

1159
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:32,580
just one more step. Is that the way it's always going to be, or is that just because while we're

1160
02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:34,220
Is it always going to be that way?

1161
02:05:34,500 --> 02:05:45,240
That's, we chose to do the intranet home because staff members are, most of your information is going to be on the internal network versus searching it on the external website.

1162
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:45,820
That's great.

1163
02:05:46,040 --> 02:06:00,460
And you can also add additional tabs to your startups if you're an individual that wants to get to a different site on a regular basis and always have that tab open when you start there are some settings that you can add additional tabs.

1164
02:06:00,460 --> 02:06:06,560
But that's, I guess my question is more that's an internal, that's for us, and that's correct, that's not like for general public terms.

1165
02:06:06,700 --> 02:06:07,760
Okay, thank you.

1166
02:06:11,390 --> 02:06:23,330
So just circling back to the recordings, so everything that we had from, we'll say 2015 to 2019, we still have them, they're just not.

1167
02:06:23,770 --> 02:06:26,050
That's correct, a click away for the public.

1168
02:06:26,370 --> 02:06:28,270
That's correct, okay.

1169
02:06:28,270 --> 02:06:30,010
videos and public meeting content.

1170
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:46,350
And then we'll, so January of 2027, 2020 will drop off or wherever our retention policy is going to be a year every year previous the first year will jump drop off.

1171
02:06:46,530 --> 02:06:54,210
So we have a sense that the quality of the recording is getting better.

1172
02:06:55,010 --> 02:06:59,750
I know you've made some tweaks over the last two months with and also with.

1173
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:10,460
Yeah, we definitely had some microphone issues, some intermittent ones, and we've replaced microphones.

1174
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:16,820
Any time we listen to the meetings, are we here of an issue we try to address it?

1175
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:21,520
I think the quality is better,

1176
02:07:24,380 --> 02:07:26,160
things happen.

1177
02:07:26,740 --> 02:07:38,240
Right, right. I just know that we've been in some facilities. I'm sure you have two where they have a very solid system, and I don't know what they've done.

1178
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:50,160
But our system has been here for about a decade. So we might look at seeing if we need to do something additional.

1179
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:52,980
Probably has a resale value as an antique.

1180
02:07:53,860 --> 02:07:54,260
Good.

1181
02:07:55,460 --> 02:07:59,460
I would say, I mean, I know Towne-Winter Park, and Sarah's not here, so we can pick on Towne-Winter.

1182
02:07:59,860 --> 02:08:01,740
They dropped a substantial amount.

1183
02:08:03,670 --> 02:08:03,810
Yeah.

1184
02:08:05,090 --> 02:08:10,670
I'm kind of always more of the, if it's working, there's no need to put, I mean, a new microphone system.

1185
02:08:11,690 --> 02:08:12,310
$1,000.

1186
02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:15,790
Oh, I think you probably a lot higher than that.

1187
02:08:16,610 --> 02:08:18,410
Especially with the acoustics in this room.

1188
02:08:19,450 --> 02:08:22,270
because yeah, they did the whole, like, with the drop, microphone, and all that kind of thing.

1189
02:08:22,290 --> 02:08:23,910
I mean, they were, like, I think they were north of 60.

1190
02:08:27,300 --> 02:08:29,140
It's being physically conservative.

1191
02:08:29,400 --> 02:08:30,560
They still have the directional.

1192
02:08:30,860 --> 02:08:31,220
Yeah.

1193
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:34,040
They still have the directional mics, but they also have those drops.

1194
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:36,060
Like you're talking about commissioner.

1195
02:08:36,540 --> 02:08:38,360
And that's quite a bit of money, so.

1196
02:08:38,860 --> 02:08:39,220
Yeah.

1197
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:44,760
Audio expertise is a realm that's very niche.

1198
02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:47,360
You can get it right, or you can get it wrong.

1199
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:55,100
So, our still will pose a question for the three of you.

1200
02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:56,520
No.

1201
02:08:57,700 --> 02:08:59,540
You know exactly what I'll get to ask.

1202
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:01,420
Okay, I won't ask it then.

1203
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:02,580
I don't know.

1204
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,280
Well, I think if we turn on the microphones and get our faces closer to them,

1205
02:09:06,380 --> 02:09:08,500
that will probably solve 90% of the problems we have.

1206
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:12,600
Yeah, from the old perspective, yes.

1207
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:15,420
Ask Merit. Merit will be the one that will give you this trade answer.

1208
02:09:15,420 --> 02:09:20,280
So, with the amount of, you know, with the Zoom platform,

1209
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:24,980
the amount of presentations, the amount of people that are on Zoom,

1210
02:09:25,540 --> 02:09:28,700
they don't see anyone on Zoom.

1211
02:09:32,620 --> 02:09:36,660
So, you know, it is possible that each of you could turn your cameras on,

1212
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:42,960
on your computer, or it is possible that we, at one point,

1213
02:09:43,580 --> 02:09:51,600
One of the commissioners talked about having a camera in the back of the room, at least seeing the room, for the person to zoom.

1214
02:09:52,500 --> 02:09:59,980
We also talked about an option of like putting an owl on that table that would spin and go to the person that

1215
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:18,160
It is speaking, but it's just something to consider. I think it would be better if one of two things we could get three dummies sit in these chairs and just do a VAI, or generate an avatar that would be on the screen that would show a picture of what something looked like us so people could see it.

1216
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:24,510
Very mo, fairly. I mean, come on.

1217
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:38,510
Further discussion, I think. I go back to the issue of recordings. And since you guys have said,

1218
02:10:38,510 --> 02:10:46,610
five years, point out that in our storage in judicial building, we have tapes of recorded

1219
02:10:46,610 --> 02:10:49,250
meetings of the 70s.

1220
02:10:49,530 --> 02:10:54,890
We could use that space if I was allowed to no longer keep those.

1221
02:10:56,980 --> 02:11:01,380
I would say that's all dependent on the regulatory requirements.

1222
02:11:01,620 --> 02:11:06,200
So we should look at that, understand what those are, get with the Secretary of State.

1223
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:15,060
There's two difference here, there's the granicus side of the house isn't regulatory, right?

1224
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:26,260
The public record side of meeting minutes and that is, so I would validate with those resources to validate that we're in proper retention of the public record.

1225
02:11:26,940 --> 02:11:33,400
Okay, so going back to what Clerk said, public record, the minutes that documented written minutes,

1226
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:36,380
They're going to go back to 1874.

1227
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:37,840
That's right, forever.

1228
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:42,060
That's the true public record of documented actions taken by this board.

1229
02:11:42,380 --> 02:11:43,080
Absolutely correct.

1230
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,180
The above official minutes are the public records.

1231
02:11:47,340 --> 02:11:52,620
So the recordings, again, that's probably a different statute, whether it's on cassette tape or

1232
02:11:52,620 --> 02:11:55,540
the HS or whatever, would be different.

1233
02:11:56,280 --> 02:12:02,420
Yeah, and my investigation on the statute was, like I said, that 30 or 60 days,

1234
02:12:02,420 --> 02:12:12,160
is that magnetic recording supporting stuff could be removed after the official ratification of the public minutes.

1235
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:16,140
But I'm also not the custodian for public record.

1236
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:29,540
The according to Gemini, trying to use the proper channels, it says executive session recordings must be held for 90 days minimum.

1237
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:34,720
Open public meeting recordings must be held for six months after minutes approval.

1238
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:39,760
official written minutes have to be permanent, and then meeting notices have to be held for two years.

1239
02:12:40,020 --> 02:12:45,460
So I mean, I would say, so at the bare minimum, we have to follow that.

1240
02:12:45,700 --> 02:12:46,340
And then I don't know,

1241
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,360
I think that's a separate conversation we can have, not like you're here today.

1242
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:56,520
So I think that's a separate conversation.

1243
02:12:59,300 --> 02:13:03,020
And then, so that's Boxing Granicus and the other.

1244
02:13:05,130 --> 02:13:09,310
And then the last thing I want to state is so

1245
02:13:09,310 --> 02:13:13,790
So we've made progress with our migration in Google Workspace.

1246
02:13:13,790 --> 02:13:21,470
We're doing some test synchronization of the email from our current platform into the

1247
02:13:22,030 --> 02:13:24,350
Gmail which is in Google Workspace.

1248
02:13:25,470 --> 02:13:32,870
So we anticipate having a timeline to communicate within the next week as we wrap up our tests

1249
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:34,910
and do our throughput measurements.

1250
02:13:34,910 --> 02:13:44,450
So it's important for staff, if you haven't, if you access email, today it's important

1251
02:13:44,450 --> 02:13:51,550
that you get your two-factor octa-stuff done and validate that you can get into Google

1252
02:13:51,550 --> 02:13:57,170
Workspace because that's we're fast approaching a time where we're going to be cutting over

1253
02:13:57,170 --> 02:14:03,570
and you will need to make sure those are validated or you will have trouble when we cut over

1254
02:14:03,570 --> 02:14:05,790
because you won't have access to email.

1255
02:14:08,150 --> 02:14:17,350
So just a warning, the commissioners have all validated that, so not necessarily saying it to the commissioners, it's more of a public notice.

1256
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:20,600
Out of the curve, yeah.

1257
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:23,360
Notice to employees.

1258
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:24,600
Notice to employees.

1259
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:32,620
Well, this is my name today, but maybe at a future meeting, we'll call them out in the future, yeah.

1260
02:14:33,220 --> 02:14:34,180
Send them an email.

1261
02:14:34,860 --> 02:14:42,020
And the last plug is tomorrow we do have a lunch and learn and we'll be covering Gmail labeling, filtering, searching, tomorrow.

1262
02:14:43,060 --> 02:14:44,180
And the recording will be up on.

1263
02:14:44,940 --> 02:14:45,800
That's correct, after that.

1264
02:14:45,980 --> 02:14:46,140
After that.

1265
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:46,820
That's right.

1266
02:14:47,420 --> 02:14:49,840
But it won't change our Gmail address.

1267
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:53,500
We'll still have the same CO.grand.co.us.

1268
02:14:53,560 --> 02:14:55,780
That's correct, your email address will not change.

1269
02:14:55,780 --> 02:14:58,400
It's just how you access your emails.

1270
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
Okay, so do you want a monkey wrench? Sure, I was using AI, that's hard to believe, but I was using AI and asking AI if Google was objective on certain polarizing political situations. And of course, the answer is that it only reports facts. When you ask the same question to Google, you get a different answer. But also in the midst of all that research and I was doing with AI and Google,

1271
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:37,230
Google. It came across a whole series of reports and documents since statistics saying

1272
02:15:37,230 --> 02:15:43,430
how many people were degugling because they don't like how some of the integration works

1273
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:50,250
and how that some of the AI features of Google tend to have a potentially political bent

1274
02:15:50,250 --> 02:15:52,490
to them. Have you came across any of that?

1275
02:15:53,690 --> 02:15:55,010
Crossed it myself,

1276
02:15:57,090 --> 02:16:07,290
I have clarified once I've gotten results because it seemed it was thinking I was asking for certain information that I wasn't.

1277
02:16:07,950 --> 02:16:21,590
So again, I think, you know, with things like the Colorado AI Act, right, to ensure that we don't have bias and those kind of things in these AI is a hot thing right now.

1278
02:16:22,170 --> 02:16:29,770
There are discussions in the public about what's it doing for consuming certain resources like water and electricity and those kind of things, right?

1279
02:16:30,410 --> 02:16:33,750
So it's a tool, right?

1280
02:16:34,050 --> 02:16:39,690
So much like Commissioner Regner said, hey, this is from AI, right?

1281
02:16:40,090 --> 02:16:42,590
Just because it comes from AI doesn't mean it's true, right?

1282
02:16:42,670 --> 02:16:43,250
Critical thinking.

1283
02:16:43,410 --> 02:16:44,970
I think that's important to reiterate that.

1284
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:45,330
Absolutely.

1285
02:16:45,550 --> 02:16:46,210
Absolutely necessary skill.

1286
02:16:46,210 --> 02:16:52,130
So back in one interesting thing you can do to AI is ask a question about the amount

1287
02:16:52,130 --> 02:16:58,690
of resources, water, and electricity that data centers consume, and you won't get really

1288
02:16:58,690 --> 02:17:03,430
the same answer that you get when you do an independent paper that's not generated by

1289
02:17:03,430 --> 02:17:03,690
AI.

1290
02:17:04,090 --> 02:17:04,390
Absolutely.

1291
02:17:05,170 --> 02:17:11,350
It talks, when you ask AI how much energy and water does AI use, ah, it's minimal in these

1292
02:17:11,350 --> 02:17:17,570
these plans are incredibly efficient these days, but I don't think you get that same report

1293
02:17:17,570 --> 02:17:21,530
when you just get an independent like a college research paper on that subject.

1294
02:17:22,510 --> 02:17:29,510
Yeah, I think, you know, research hasn't changed much in many years, at least the methodology

1295
02:17:29,510 --> 02:17:35,710
for research of gathering information and sifting through and making sure that you're properly informed

1296
02:17:35,710 --> 02:17:51,430
And it's, you know, my opinion that everybody should remember that you're responsible for informing yourself and, you know, tools like the quick tools like any kind of search engine or AI or a news or a paper or a book, right?

1297
02:17:51,570 --> 02:17:54,670
You got to, everybody has to understand there's always going to be by some place.

1298
02:17:55,230 --> 02:17:59,370
And it's up to you as an individual to sit through the truth that you're looking for.

1299
02:17:59,370 --> 02:18:05,330
So I think on that note I think if you're going to use AI to generate a paper or something for you

1300
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:09,550
You should make sure that AI absolutely quotes its source. Absolutely

1301
02:18:10,650 --> 02:18:14,410
Yep, it's a legitimate source and probably it there's

1302
02:18:18,730 --> 02:18:20,450
a lot of information on the internet and

1303
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:23,070
Some of it is even true

1304
02:18:24,470 --> 02:18:27,070
Abraham Lincoln said you can't believe everything you read on the internet

1305
02:18:27,070 --> 02:18:31,530
So that's a lot of people a lot of times and some people all the time

1306
02:18:33,740 --> 02:18:36,640
We want to go down that rabbit hole too far today if you don't want to.

1307
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:41,400
Excellent. Any other questions, comments or concerns?

1308
02:18:44,260 --> 02:18:45,560
Thanks for all the work. I know there's a lot.

1309
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:49,980
As we said before, it seems like this is just like click a switch and we go.

1310
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:51,580
But we know there's some of the scenes.

1311
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:55,700
The dribbles are furiously running on the wheels, getting all this stuff done.

1312
02:18:55,900 --> 02:18:57,680
So there's a lot of handholding.

1313
02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:00,520
Appreciate it.

1314
02:19:00,520 --> 02:19:11,760
A lot of change but we're our teams here to support and if there's anything we can do better we will and we try to make it as transparent as possible but sometimes sometimes we can't so.

1315
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:14,420
Thank you commissioners.

1316
02:19:14,540 --> 02:19:22,620
Thank you so commissioners we have a couple minutes can I go back to a county manager update I.

1317
02:19:23,660 --> 02:19:28,580
I apologize that I did not cover this morning and I had in my notes and I skipped right over it.

1318
02:19:29,860 --> 02:19:30,720
Please do.

1319
02:19:32,020 --> 02:19:40,860
Commissioners, just to follow up on the pay plan, so we had an internal team including

1320
02:19:40,860 --> 02:19:47,740
HR conduct interviews of those companies, we talked about that at last meeting in March.

1321
02:19:48,940 --> 02:19:55,700
And we had those interviews last week and went through the proposals and just narrowed down

1322
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:59,940
to one company, Graves Consultants, that

1323
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,280
But have done pay plans for our sheriff's office as well as a couple of the towns in in

1324
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:15,480
Grand County, also got really good recommendations from Eagle County, Pitkin, some others that

1325
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:22,540
have quite a bit of experience. So we'll be working with them on a scope of work and

1326
02:20:22,540 --> 02:20:28,780
And we'll in a contract that that contract is or that it is budgeted.

1327
02:20:28,900 --> 02:20:32,600
So it's under the amount that would need to come back to you.

1328
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:36,900
So I just wanted to give you an update there that we're moving forward.

1329
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:50,110
Nine minutes before amount of parts electric updates.

1330
02:20:50,110 --> 02:20:53,070
So what do we go do calendars?

1331
02:20:53,370 --> 02:20:55,030
Yes, just those two calendars real quick.

1332
02:20:56,110 --> 02:20:57,150
Are you ready, sir?

1333
02:20:57,710 --> 02:20:59,050
I could be ready, I guess.

1334
02:20:59,050 --> 02:21:00,090
So

1335
02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:11,020
last week, as mentioned, we did not have a commission, meaning we had our board strategic planning retreat, as Mr.

1336
02:21:11,100 --> 02:21:12,080
Moyer mentioned earlier,

1337
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:21,770
did attend the agency legislative call on Thursday, lots of bills coming through.

1338
02:21:22,530 --> 02:21:32,330
I think one that was of note that probably should be mentioned is 1340, and actually sees eyes in the middle of this one also.

1339
02:21:32,330 --> 02:21:42,690
So, and what it is, it's specific to Water District 2, and that's the Lower Arkansas Valley, and what it is, it's in general.

1340
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:59,590
It requires, when buying dry happens, it requires the buying entity, or to be an agreement, that there is some kind of re-vegetation on the dried up land, whether it be farmland or pastureland or whatever, that was formerly irrigated.

1341
02:21:59,590 --> 02:22:02,730
it needs to, it's going to be required to be re-vegitated.

1342
02:22:03,530 --> 02:22:15,010
So there's a bill going through, and actually on that same note, and I did it bring it up on the A.G.N.C. call, but also yesterday, I volunteered because I don't know where to say no.

1343
02:22:15,530 --> 02:22:22,450
To be on a CCI kind of a working group on that same bill, because CCI is considering taking a position on it also.

1344
02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:27,230
And so there was several of us on there from kind of from all over the state.

1345
02:22:27,230 --> 02:22:34,250
State, Westlope, Eastlope and CCI put together kind of a stakeholder group and I of course

1346
02:22:34,250 --> 02:22:38,950
mentioned how we are affected by some of that here and obviously this bill is not retroactive

1347
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:46,430
and in its current form it's just that district two, which is the lower arc valley, South East

1348
02:22:46,430 --> 02:22:56,210
Colorado, but it does and some counties have already special use permit process in place

1349
02:22:56,210 --> 02:23:00,750
or 1041 powers that they can require that if there's going to be a buy and drive of land.

1350
02:23:01,510 --> 02:23:11,090
So there's a bill coming around, it's still, I think CCI's position at this point was just to dig into it monitor, and I think, and it was brought up at the, well,

1351
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:17,190
Commissioner George and I worked both there at the Farm Bureau meeting, that they are taking a position.

1352
02:23:17,370 --> 02:23:22,910
I think their position is a men, they're looking for some amendments that would clarify some of the things on this bill.

1353
02:23:23,450 --> 02:23:28,730
So, more to come on that, but apparently there's still some more stakeholder to do on that.

1354
02:23:29,170 --> 02:23:33,090
I didn't offer a grandcantic position because I even talked to you all about that, but

1355
02:23:33,090 --> 02:23:36,230
I did offer some input of things that I know about.

1356
02:23:36,730 --> 02:23:39,010
But keep that one in mind as we go forth.

1357
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:45,070
And Ashley on that, no, I covered all three of the W's yesterday with Zoom.

1358
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:49,790
So we got, we get the water because I had that CCI working group with that water bill.

1359
02:23:49,790 --> 02:23:54,790
and then I had a wildfire bill or wildfire meeting,

1360
02:23:55,970 --> 02:23:58,330
Grand Canyon Wildfire Council, which I'm on the board of that.

1361
02:23:59,310 --> 02:24:01,770
And then I had a wolf coalition call after that.

1362
02:24:02,010 --> 02:24:04,970
So I covered all the W's yesterday, all on Monday.

1363
02:24:07,470 --> 02:24:10,750
So that was my three meetings yesterday, and that is probably it for me.

1364
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:12,890
Upcoming would be agency

1365
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:22,620
call, again on Thursday probably.

1366
02:24:22,900 --> 02:24:24,680
I think we've got those permanently noticed.

1367
02:24:25,660 --> 02:24:28,060
I think we're, I have a tentative call,

1368
02:24:28,060 --> 02:24:34,660
All skidded for Congressman Neguse on Wednesday, tomorrow Wednesday at 8.45.

1369
02:24:35,500 --> 02:24:37,320
That on my calendar as well as that.

1370
02:24:39,570 --> 02:24:44,410
I think it's not individuals, it's a reach out to a bunch of county commissioners.

1371
02:24:44,570 --> 02:24:46,770
So I think it's just a call that he's reaching out to.

1372
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:50,470
But I probably will attend that, having on my calendar.

1373
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:51,590
So that should be noticed?

1374
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:53,610
That's probably should be noticed.

1375
02:24:53,610 --> 02:24:58,930
And then this Friday, there's a Club 20 Executive Committee meeting at 8.

1376
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:21,380
And then the CCI committee briefing where they just come over, they just go over briefly all the bills, through all the committees that they're going to be talking about as that noon. I think Commissioner Regner usually attends those also. Don't take positions on those bills, but CCI at that time, but that's at, again, being Zoom at 12 to 130. CCI legislative committee briefing.

1377
02:25:25,790 --> 02:25:27,570
And I think that would be it for me.

1378
02:25:32,410 --> 02:25:37,630
Well, wait, wait, wait. On the middle W, the big conversation on the wildfire committee.

1379
02:25:37,630 --> 02:25:44,010
Council was there's a proposal coming through that would possibly involve the Welfare Council to be a sponsor.

1380
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:50,590
There's some, I guess some interest in using goats for Welfare mitigation in terms of removing forage.

1381
02:25:51,670 --> 02:25:53,930
And so, that's a connection to the Welfare Council.

1382
02:25:54,070 --> 02:25:58,150
That's why the key mop on this meeting, it was the most part, most of the discussion on the meeting,

1383
02:25:58,410 --> 02:26:03,990
and some of the town of Granby's property that's sort of on the edges of more urban parts of Granby.

1384
02:26:04,110 --> 02:26:05,170
So, that's what that was about.

1385
02:26:05,970 --> 02:26:07,870
I have a thing, Sue, but that was a big topic.

1386
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:10,010
Goats for wildfire.

1387
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:13,010
What was first of a sudden, well, where?

1388
02:26:14,290 --> 02:26:21,910
It should be noted that our meeting at the Farm Bureau meeting on Saturday was incidental.

1389
02:26:22,370 --> 02:26:23,030
It was very incidental.

1390
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:26,290
I didn't want to listen to the other, but he's been coming to the last minute.

1391
02:26:26,750 --> 02:26:33,210
So that was good to see all those folks and talk about a variety of things, but.

1392
02:26:33,210 --> 02:26:43,530
But is there legislative update, as you know, Farm Bureau has a very strong legislative arm supporting at the state and federal level, so they just came locally.

1393
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:57,830
So, tomorrow I have an insurance committee meeting and I wanted to know is that, is the presentation, I assume hub is doing a presentation, right?

1394
02:26:59,030 --> 02:27:04,110
And are they doing that virtually, or are they here in person, or I'm trying to figure

1395
02:27:04,110 --> 02:27:08,090
out whether it's important for me to be in this room, or whether I should attend virtually?

1396
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:15,490
Link on the calendar invitation from Kelsey, so I'm assuming that we can attend virtually

1397
02:27:15,490 --> 02:27:16,290
if that works better.

1398
02:27:16,490 --> 02:27:18,930
Do we assume that she is coming here or not?

1399
02:27:19,530 --> 02:27:21,850
I don't know for a fact, but I can find out and let you know.

1400
02:27:21,870 --> 02:27:25,890
She's coming here, I'll come, right, but otherwise I'll probably zoom in.

1401
02:27:26,290 --> 02:27:27,090
We'll find out for you.

1402
02:27:27,090 --> 02:27:31,370
All right, not that I don't want to be with you all, but I don't know how to understand

1403
02:27:33,290 --> 02:27:41,710
Anyway, I'll I'll circle back right then. There's a Northwest TPR meeting on Thursday morning and then Ed mentions that

1404
02:27:42,330 --> 02:27:43,290
we have a

1405
02:27:44,010 --> 02:27:46,770
Blue River lower Blue River working group

1406
02:27:46,770 --> 02:27:49,210
on Thursday

1407
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:56,820
afternoon and are you going over to that or are you going to do that virtually?

1408
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:04,100
I will likely do it virtually because of another meeting, I have two other meetings.

1409
02:28:04,700 --> 02:28:06,640
Right, I may try to go over there in person then.

1410
02:28:07,060 --> 02:28:07,880
I'll be joining the wait.

1411
02:28:17,740 --> 02:28:20,980
It's on Thursday at 9 a.m.

1412
02:28:21,340 --> 02:28:22,440
And it's virtual.

1413
02:28:26,660 --> 02:28:36,040
And then as Ed mentioned, we're taking a tour of some of the work that's planned for the Blue River, the Blue Valley Ranch.

1414
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:41,460
just river improvements that they're talking about that all are part of that

1415
02:28:41,460 --> 02:28:48,800
whole land exchange work that's going on that way. And then I hope you don't

1416
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:52,560
think any of the other commissioners are going. And then I don't know if you

1417
02:28:52,560 --> 02:29:00,620
all any of you are going learning by doing as a fundraiser in Winter Park on Saturday.

1418
02:29:00,620 --> 02:29:05,680
today, right, so that doesn't need to be noticed.

1419
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:06,460
What was that?

1420
02:29:07,660 --> 02:29:09,300
It's probably not on your calendar.

1421
02:29:10,220 --> 02:29:17,440
It's at the big trout brewing in Winner Park from 5 to 7, and it's kind of a fundraiser

1422
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:18,100
thing for it.

1423
02:29:18,100 --> 02:29:20,820
Fires out there, we can forward it on to you guys.

1424
02:29:23,400 --> 02:29:29,800
Okay, so we should notice that Friday, the, or spread me Saturday, the 11th from 5 p.m.

1425
02:29:29,800 --> 02:29:33,760
to seven at the big trout brewing in Winner Park.

1426
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:37,600
Big, big, is in Bigley.

1427
02:29:38,780 --> 02:29:41,700
And it has a picture to go along with that notice,

1428
02:29:45,720 --> 02:29:46,840
so we've got those things.

1429
02:29:49,420 --> 02:29:50,180
It's a joke.

1430
02:29:51,560 --> 02:29:53,540
But I really do have a picture of a big fish.

1431
02:30:03,060 --> 02:30:21,820
An 11 o'clock mountain parks. I've had several meetings last week in the couple days with Grand Places 2050. They're getting survey out. We've been working diligently to make sure all communities are being represented in that survey, making sure everything we're just getting out on all of that on a

1432
02:30:24,150 --> 02:30:35,370
human services Zoom call. And we're getting closer from where the state put their heads

1433
02:30:35,370 --> 02:30:42,230
If you hand it approach, we'll put that down to all the folks at CCI here and especially

1434
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:47,390
and Deb actually, who's not here, but Deb Rutberg, all the human services directors

1435
02:30:47,390 --> 02:30:53,890
really are working hard to embrace what the state's doing while protecting our local

1436
02:30:53,890 --> 02:30:54,650
control of things.

1437
02:30:54,990 --> 02:31:01,850
So it was really informative meeting and it's good to see that group just like not just accepting

1438
02:31:01,850 --> 02:31:02,850
what the state has said.

1439
02:31:02,850 --> 02:31:06,450
And I think we're going to get come at the end in a good place,

1440
02:31:06,470 --> 02:31:09,590
whereas, you know, when the stage is first knocked this down,

1441
02:31:09,650 --> 02:31:12,210
everybody's thrown it was pretty traumatic.

1442
02:31:13,030 --> 02:31:16,470
I appreciate the updates that we get via email.

1443
02:31:16,830 --> 02:31:17,410
Good, nice.

1444
02:31:17,810 --> 02:31:21,090
I had a good conversation with Deb yesterday during our regular meeting.

1445
02:31:21,650 --> 02:31:27,930
It sounds like the district team is off the table now.

1446
02:31:28,130 --> 02:31:30,570
Now they're leaning toward these cohorts.

1447
02:31:31,330 --> 02:31:32,070
Is that the right term?

1448
02:31:32,290 --> 02:31:32,390
Yeah.

1449
02:31:33,430 --> 02:31:46,370
So, but at the end of the update that Deb provided, I guess my question is, is there a chance that this bill could end up?

1450
02:31:50,070 --> 02:32:01,770
Like a few other bills in the past where they decided just to sort of pivot and form a committee to really take a deeper dive to come up with a better-

1451
02:32:01,770 --> 02:32:09,790
A better structure and a framework and something that has more input and a better process than cramming it down.

1452
02:32:10,890 --> 02:32:12,610
I would at this point say anything is possible.

1453
02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:16,630
You know, I mean, the big thing, I mean, like you kind of remember is like, you know, the state is kind of,

1454
02:32:17,010 --> 02:32:18,630
it was, we were actually down at CCI.

1455
02:32:18,730 --> 02:32:20,490
There was like, this is how you're going to do this from now on.

1456
02:32:20,610 --> 02:32:23,170
And, you know, as a radical change to the way we do business.

1457
02:32:23,810 --> 02:32:28,490
And, um, did a lot of things and the biggest concern for a lot of us was the removal of local control.

1458
02:32:29,050 --> 02:32:35,490
and the big one being like they're eliminating the mistakes, potential fraud and all that

1459
02:32:35,490 --> 02:32:39,970
kind of thing was your big thing. Was there a big thing for this proposal?

1460
02:32:42,170 --> 02:32:48,750
I think the greatest way to eliminate all these fraud is to have local control, have people

1461
02:32:48,750 --> 02:32:53,270
walk into your office that you know and you're making sure they're not, you know, just arriving

1462
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:55,850
around a porous or something. Well, doing these things.

1463
02:32:55,850 --> 02:33:00,310
So, and I feel like while there are some

1464
02:33:00,310 --> 02:33:03,310
errant counties, I feel like overall,

1465
02:33:03,430 --> 02:33:05,490
the majority of our human services

1466
02:33:05,490 --> 02:33:07,350
directors are actually really good at what they do.

1467
02:33:08,050 --> 02:33:10,150
And I think the other thing that's coming out of this,

1468
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:14,650
we'll see if anything happens, but is just mind numbing

1469
02:33:14,650 --> 02:33:19,210
them out of paperwork, changes that these guys are subjected

1470
02:33:19,210 --> 02:33:21,110
to year in and year out.

1471
02:33:21,230 --> 02:33:23,630
Where like, oh, before you did this form that's 45 pages,

1472
02:33:23,710 --> 02:33:25,430
now we're going to give you another one that's 75 pages

1473
02:33:25,430 --> 02:33:30,890
that's totally different, and, you know, that would be the big thing, if that could really

1474
02:33:30,890 --> 02:33:35,250
come out of this, like, hey, let's simplify this, and it seems like that's a really big

1475
02:33:35,250 --> 02:33:39,910
pushback, too, as well. So a lot of this up is on a federal level, so we can't do much about it.

1476
02:33:43,240 --> 02:33:47,700
Well, that would be a huge victory in doing these cohort groups where we're going to work together

1477
02:33:47,700 --> 02:33:52,920
and do best practices and maybe share some services as opposed to having these regional hubs.

1478
02:33:54,500 --> 02:33:58,140
I mean, if you remember, I see some people were just like having arms about this whole thing.

1479
02:33:58,580 --> 02:34:03,660
And rightfully so, it was really heavy-handed on the state's part to just be like, we're

1480
02:34:03,660 --> 02:34:06,400
not going to talk to anybody that runs these departments until you have a better way to

1481
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:06,900
do business.

1482
02:34:09,240 --> 02:34:12,480
Anyways, it was great meeting those updates are terrific and it's just kind of good to

1483
02:34:12,480 --> 02:34:13,180
be on those.

1484
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:21,660
You like I said, I went on Thursday, it was a Thursday, I went to Grand Lake for the meeting

1485
02:34:21,660 --> 02:34:30,500
about the bus routes from Grammy to Grand Lake, which was earthly attended, which I took

1486
02:34:30,500 --> 02:34:38,620
a really good sign that there wasn't a huge crowd with pitchforks and out there fighting

1487
02:34:38,620 --> 02:34:43,360
against this thing. So it seemed like it was really well received. I think that's moving

1488
02:34:43,360 --> 02:34:48,180
forward at a good pace. If it's going to be, if we can get these folks to so-to-springs

1489
02:34:48,180 --> 02:34:48,600
on board.

1490
02:34:51,180 --> 02:34:59,180
On Monday, yesterday, I had a winter park freezer governance group meeting and that doesn't really pertain as much.

1491
02:35:01,240 --> 02:35:22,400
Countywide, but the town of Winter Park, the ski area, and the town of Frazier are really trying to get more in lockstep with what they do with. Bands, how they put the information out, how they're doing it, how they're marketing, and there's a lot of talk about, you know, the why of the event. So, you know, why are we doing some of these events? And it's a really good, good talk. It was pretty, as

1492
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:30,680
I said, I went to the Winter Park Tech, the Transit Advisory Committee, and a lot of talk about,

1493
02:35:30,680 --> 02:35:38,160
So, taking a look at the IGA and modernizing it and getting it moving forward and, you know,

1494
02:35:38,380 --> 02:35:44,940
where the routes are, there's a big push when a park is going to get a huge, they're

1495
02:35:44,940 --> 02:35:51,600
going to try some micro transit, which I think will hopefully eliminate some of the costs

1496
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:55,400
and then as well make these more efficient, because sometimes you see these, you know, just

1497
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:59,820
big buses driving in their half empty, you know, and if you place some of those with some

1498
02:35:59,820 --> 02:36:02,220
of these micro-transits, it's very impressive.

1499
02:36:02,460 --> 02:36:04,540
I mean, Chuck McCarthy, the Winter Park Transit Director,

1500
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:06,860
is a pretty very knowledgeable guy,

1501
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:11,000
and he's kind of looking at every solution.

1502
02:36:13,500 --> 02:36:15,100
It's good to be a part of those meetings,

1503
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:15,800
he's good to be there.

1504
02:36:20,330 --> 02:36:21,970
Friday, because of the steering committees,

1505
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:28,180
we've got this call with Joe, which we noticed,

1506
02:36:28,620 --> 02:36:32,060
and that unfortunately overlaps with the last,

1507
02:36:32,060 --> 02:36:36,360
Last or not the last, but the next grandplaces, seeing

1508
02:36:38,530 --> 02:36:38,830
that.

1509
02:36:40,230 --> 02:36:43,410
One day, I plan on attending the Frazier River Bell.

1510
02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:56,540
I'll pop up on my calendar, a Winter Park Advisory Committee meeting on Tuesday.

1511
02:36:59,980 --> 02:37:02,300
Just thank you, thank you.

1512
02:37:02,360 --> 02:37:07,400
One real quick thing that I should mention is that at the bill that we've been working on,

1513
02:37:07,480 --> 02:37:13,400
the 1239, the code enforcement bill that we have been working on, along with Morgan County and others.

1514
02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:19,240
I spoke on that bill on the second on what is that Wednesday?

1515
02:37:20,180 --> 02:37:26,320
At 1.30 and as did Shira, our assistant county attorney, and some other commissioners too.

1516
02:37:26,900 --> 02:37:32,160
It was in front of the Senate local government and housing committee and that passed out of committee with a 50 vote.

1517
02:37:32,320 --> 02:37:42,480
It was unanimous and it was moved to go to the Senate floor on the consent agenda as Max mentioned this morning, which means that it can be pulled for discussion.

1518
02:37:42,900 --> 02:37:46,200
But it's all, it's actually kind of a logistics and scheduling thing.

1519
02:37:46,200 --> 02:37:50,940
If it's on the contingent, and then they just approve it as a whole, and it goes through, gets to get signed.

1520
02:37:51,820 --> 02:37:52,860
So, good news.

1521
02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:53,840
That's great.

1522
02:37:54,420 --> 02:37:55,320
That's really going forward.

1523
02:37:55,740 --> 02:37:55,820
Yeah.

1524
02:37:56,420 --> 02:38:00,880
Appreciate all the shares work on that, so you've been super helpful with that.

1525
02:38:01,020 --> 02:38:01,560
And Max, too.

1526
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:09,500
Under the finish line, with 1008, that committee has, you know, I was on that committee with CCI has sort of,

1527
02:38:11,180 --> 02:38:25,940
I'm really glad that I sat on that and I think that we, we pushed, we added a lot of guardrails onto that, we pushed, I think that that legislation had gone through, it's just originally written, not great for us.

1528
02:38:25,940 --> 02:38:39,480
Not well received, and I think that's, but I think it would have passed, I think it would have passed.

1529
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:40,300
in there, so.

1530
02:38:40,660 --> 02:38:43,180
I'm real blank, always tell opposed to that, which I understand.

1531
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:48,300
I get it, I get theirs too, but I also think that this is the best case scenario on that one.

1532
02:38:48,700 --> 02:38:53,800
And I agree with Kelly, I'm not a lot of her statements on that, but I also kind of,

1533
02:38:54,260 --> 02:38:58,400
after you fight, fight, fight, and fight, and get 90% of what you ask for, you kind of have to.

1534
02:38:58,740 --> 02:39:03,100
At some point, acquiesce and go with the flow, so I feel like it was good.

1535
02:39:04,480 --> 02:39:06,760
Good, I think that'll be good legislation going forward.

1536
02:39:06,760 --> 02:39:10,580
All right, so we're a little behind now.

1537
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:14,480
1109, we've got our non-partial electric update.

1538
02:39:14,740 --> 02:39:18,750
I believe somebody's out there.

1539
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:19,170
Sir,

1540
02:39:25,290 --> 02:39:27,430
he's got an MPE vest on, so I think this is our guy.

1541
02:39:27,610 --> 02:39:28,030
It's probably the guy.

1542
02:39:29,870 --> 02:39:32,050
You could come sit right here at the table.

1543
02:39:32,490 --> 02:39:34,850
If there's a table, if there's a table, you can pull up extra chairs, whatever we need.

1544
02:39:35,450 --> 02:39:36,270
Oh, wow, all right.

1545
02:39:38,370 --> 02:39:41,630
Sorry, we were ahead of schedule, and then we fell a little behind schedule.

1546
02:39:41,630 --> 02:39:50,530
So really we've got a couple more chairs and you'll have a microphone there for the millions who are listening

1547
02:39:51,870 --> 02:39:52,790
All over the world

1548
02:40:05,460 --> 02:40:07,300
Good, thank you for coming today.

1549
02:40:09,690 --> 02:40:12,270
Presentation, you guys have access to this? We do, yes.

1550
02:40:17,350 --> 02:40:41,390
We'll put up on the big screens so everybody can on Zoom can see it, but we can see it here too. And if you would just introduce yourselves so that the listening millions will know who is here from mountain parks. I'm Aaron Street. I'm over remember relations and communications at mountain parks. I'm Virginia Harmon. I'm the CEO at mountain parks.

1551
02:40:42,290 --> 02:40:44,890
I'm Adam Paulson. I'm the VP of operations.

1552
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:52,190
Thanks for having us.

1553
02:40:52,370 --> 02:40:52,890
Thanks for coming.

1554
02:40:54,690 --> 02:40:57,270
So I guess I'll just kick us off really quickly.

1555
02:40:57,570 --> 02:40:59,810
And then we're going to kind of all share the presentation.

1556
02:41:00,310 --> 02:41:06,210
So we have quite a few topics to cover and we'll probably go through the presentation relatively quickly.

1557
02:41:06,790 --> 02:41:10,530
And then open it up to any type of questions that you guys have,

1558
02:41:10,810 --> 02:41:12,990
any other topics that you want to go over.

1559
02:41:13,170 --> 02:41:16,770
But certainly feel free to interact and stop us and slow us down if you want.

1560
02:41:16,770 --> 02:41:22,790
but we just want to be sure to say plenty of time for discussion on any topics that don't cover that you guys are interested in.

1561
02:41:23,970 --> 02:41:29,430
So we understood that you wanted to hear a little bit about kind of our rate setting, our rates in general,

1562
02:41:29,870 --> 02:41:34,230
that you've been getting some comments and questions from people throughout the community about electric rates.

1563
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:39,290
So we've got, I would say the lion's share of our presentation is about our rates.

1564
02:41:39,930 --> 02:41:44,450
So we'll go through that first and I will have Eric kind of lead that portion of the presentation.

1565
02:41:44,450 --> 02:41:50,870
And then we get into kind of our infrastructure, what it takes to provide new service, what

1566
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:57,350
new service processes are, how we get electricity to people, whether or not we have enough electricity

1567
02:41:57,350 --> 02:41:58,730
to supply new needs.

1568
02:41:58,850 --> 02:42:03,710
I know that tends to be a question in this area and Adam, our VP of operations will address

1569
02:42:03,710 --> 02:42:06,150
the majority of those types of topics.

1570
02:42:06,470 --> 02:42:11,950
And then we kind of have an open-ended section towards the end that we kind of deemed miscellaneous

1571
02:42:11,950 --> 02:42:16,330
or other that's got a mix of things that we think are important for you guys to know about,

1572
02:42:16,410 --> 02:42:20,770
that we're working on, and then kind of data centers. We'll quick little slide on data centers

1573
02:42:20,770 --> 02:42:25,310
that Erin and I will probably tag team that section. So that's how we plan to work through this.

1574
02:42:25,890 --> 02:42:29,690
If you don't have any questions about that, I'm going to go on and turn it over to Eric to start talking

1575
02:42:29,690 --> 02:42:30,110
about rates.

1576
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:36,050
I just want to start by saying we're certain for

1577
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:55,460
our residential members, which

1578
02:42:55,460 --> 02:42:56,180
challenges

1579
02:43:03,030 --> 02:43:04,950
and we have a slide coming up in just a moment.

1580
02:43:28,420 --> 02:43:31,980
So on this slide, this is the one that I

1581
02:43:40,300 --> 02:43:45,920
see that like the U.S. Colorado cost per kilowatt hour increase the fall.

1582
02:43:49,660 --> 02:43:52,080
One of the things I would want to highlight is just the

1583
02:44:00,780 --> 02:44:02,000
gap in between it.

1584
02:44:02,620 --> 02:44:05,040
You know, we can only manage that for so long.

1585
02:44:22,500 --> 02:44:25,620
So as far as our rates go, we utilize, and this is very common.

1586
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:31,860
We utilize what's called a cost of service study.

1587
02:44:33,950 --> 02:44:38,050
The cost of service study is intended to be like a neutral third party,

1588
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:40,110
that's an industry expert in setting rates.

1589
02:44:40,570 --> 02:44:42,770
And there's essentially three steps to it.

1590
02:44:42,770 --> 02:44:45,910
They figure out what is a utility's revenue requirement?

1591
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:52,410
What is the cost that's created by each rate class?

1592
02:44:52,850 --> 02:44:59,210
And then they do a rate design to try and do their very best to pass on the cost to each rate class as the costs are created.

1593
02:44:59,210 --> 02:44:59,730
Thank you.

1594
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
And again, it's just meant to be neutral third party, so subjective, and it's defensible that way. One thing that's worth highlighting here, that last bullet point is just mountain parks is a not for profit. So while we might have positive margins, profit is not our end goal. We can go to the next slide, please. I'm going to enter appropriately on that cost of service study piece every time that we have done a rate increase over the past.

1595
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:32,240
last few years and we've done three in a row now.

1596
02:45:32,660 --> 02:45:38,020
We have used a cost of service study each time to determine how exactly we would implement

1597
02:45:38,020 --> 02:45:43,600
the rate increase, which classes would go up by which amounts and where we would need

1598
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,440
to collect that revenue essentially.

1599
02:45:46,760 --> 02:45:50,040
So don't go about making rate changes without doing a cost of service.

1600
02:45:51,660 --> 02:45:52,200
Perfect.

1601
02:45:52,460 --> 02:45:52,720
Thank you.

1602
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:59,440
Just a quick comparison here of an investor-owned utility, we commonly call it an IOU.

1603
02:46:00,100 --> 02:46:04,880
But the cooperative model versus the investor-owned utility, we would be a not-for-profit.

1604
02:46:05,220 --> 02:46:09,500
We're owned by our members, like I said a moment ago, we might have positive margins.

1605
02:46:09,500 --> 02:46:13,400
But if we do have positive margins, we really just have two sources.

1606
02:46:13,560 --> 02:46:18,900
We either reinvest those positive margins, or we return them to our members in what's called a retirement.

1607
02:46:19,400 --> 02:46:21,880
It's a retirement of capital credits, is what we call it.

1608
02:46:21,940 --> 02:46:24,060
Can you explain what you mean by reinvest those margins?

1609
02:46:24,060 --> 02:46:24,760
Correct.

1610
02:46:25,080 --> 02:46:36,960
So any time that, and I'll get to this in a moment as well but, you know, utilities really need to have a certain amount of replenishment of their fixed assets if you will.

1611
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:43,020
You know our fixed assets do depreciate and degrade over time and we want to reinvest in those and make sure that they're reliable.

1612
02:46:43,460 --> 02:46:45,100
It's a core part of our mission statement.

1613
02:46:45,880 --> 02:46:52,400
And so, you know, those funds for those fixed assets they typically either come from debt or they have to come from equity.

1614
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:56,220
And so in this case, if we have pos- excuse me, if they have- if we have positive margins,

1615
02:46:56,760 --> 02:47:02,160
those positive margins serve as the member portion of the equity to help finance those fixed assets.

1616
02:47:02,740 --> 02:47:03,100
Like,

1617
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:06,840
please want to call us.

1618
02:47:07,020 --> 02:47:07,160
Yes.

1619
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:08,060
Yeah.

1620
02:47:08,320 --> 02:47:09,780
Please, can I ask a question or a question?

1621
02:47:09,780 --> 02:47:09,920
Please.

1622
02:47:10,460 --> 02:47:13,580
So you also said retirement is the other one, how does that work?

1623
02:47:13,740 --> 02:47:17,860
Is that where it goes back to the members or when does that all happen or how does that even work?

1624
02:47:18,320 --> 02:47:22,560
Yeah, so the way capital credits work is if there's- if there's a year where there's a positive

1625
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:28,320
of margin those capital credits get allocated to the members as done on a gross margin basis.

1626
02:47:29,180 --> 02:47:32,020
And then but they might not get retired for many years down the road.

1627
02:47:32,100 --> 02:47:33,800
It could be 30 years down the road.

1628
02:47:33,800 --> 02:47:35,560
It varies from cooperative to cooperative.

1629
02:47:35,860 --> 02:47:43,240
The most co-ops tend to run on about a 20 to 25 year schedule for actually retiring those capital credits.

1630
02:47:43,440 --> 02:47:43,860
So they can always be-

1631
02:47:43,860 --> 02:47:47,840
When you say retired and you're paid to the members, check to the members, check to the members.

1632
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:51,040
Okay, allocation is we earn those dollars this year.

1633
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:54,800
We earned the $100 this year, we allocate the $100 amongst all of our members.

1634
02:47:55,860 --> 02:47:58,040
Retired is when the member gets that check.

1635
02:47:58,620 --> 02:48:02,820
So very standard across electric co-ops, many co-ops not just electric, but

1636
02:48:02,820 --> 02:48:09,360
most co-ops across the country, 20, 25 years for the actual check going to the members is the typical retirement schedule.

1637
02:48:09,660 --> 02:48:16,080
Because that is like Eric said, that's the co-ops money for investing in the infrastructure keeping the co-op going for all of his members.

1638
02:48:16,080 --> 02:48:26,700
So we, Mountain Parks was on about a 25-year-ish rotation the last couple of years we have not done a retirement in the last couple of years now.

1639
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:36,180
We retire typical states and things like that when those are continuing to be retired, but we haven't done a general retirement in two years.

1640
02:48:37,460 --> 02:48:39,120
This isn't an exact analogy.

1641
02:48:39,300 --> 02:48:41,820
I came from an investor owned utility before I was at Mountain Parks.

1642
02:48:42,100 --> 02:48:48,240
And in my mind, the way I could translate it is it's somewhat similar to like a stock buyback or a stock repurchase.

1643
02:48:49,460 --> 02:48:50,080
It's different.

1644
02:48:50,340 --> 02:48:51,820
It's a little bit of an oversimplification.

1645
02:48:52,340 --> 02:49:00,760
Part of the reason for the prompting of my question is I researched, I checked in the mail not long ago, from a co-op in Wyoming, because I used to live there.

1646
02:49:00,840 --> 02:49:05,360
And I put the electric bills there and they sent me a check in the mail to my surprise as you showed up.

1647
02:49:05,360 --> 02:49:10,940
Yeah, I'm about to start getting checks from Montana because it's been about 20 years since I was a member there on

1648
02:49:13,500 --> 02:49:22,780
a 20, 25-year cycle is pretty standard for co-ops and I'm not trying to, I'm just trying to understand because I've been asked this like, what is the rationale for keeping the money for 20 years?

1649
02:49:23,240 --> 02:49:33,700
It's the reinvestment into the system, so that is part of our operating fund, right, is to have those that equity so put the money in you invested and then in 20 years we get the principal back and you guys keep the.

1650
02:49:34,620 --> 02:49:41,600
So, imagine it this way, imagine if we had equity, let's say we had member equity of $50 million and we retired it every year.

1651
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:45,400
That means we have to come up with $50 million every year to make that retirement happen.

1652
02:49:45,740 --> 02:49:47,720
So, that becomes like a cash flow issue.

1653
02:49:48,020 --> 02:49:54,800
Whereas if we trickle it out over 20, 25, 30 years, whatever that time frame is, that's where it helps smooth out your cash flows.

1654
02:49:54,800 --> 02:49:59,340
Okay, I was asked that question. I was like I don't know but we'll be meeting with them here soon

1655
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:27,360
We think about the fact that because we are not for profit, all of our funding either comes from the members are from debt, and if we're taking it out as debt, who's paying for the debt are members, right? And so that debt goes into our rates. So one way or the other are members are paying for it in the better way, the more financially responsible way to pay for those assets is through using those credits for that period of time. Without the choppy water by doing it that way.

1656
02:50:27,360 --> 02:50:32,060
Yeah, so in utilities you typically would align the financing if you could like in an ideal world

1657
02:50:32,060 --> 02:50:36,760
you would align it to the life of the asset and that would be would be with both debt and equity.

1658
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:43,020
So imagine that we put in 10 million dollars of new assets today that you all have to

1659
02:50:43,020 --> 02:50:47,880
pay part of but then in five years you all move out and somebody else moves into your homes.

1660
02:50:48,340 --> 02:50:51,740
You shouldn't have to pay for that whole 10 million you should pay for the five years worth

1661
02:50:51,740 --> 02:50:56,420
and then whoever moves into your home should pay for that future portion of it and so that's why it's

1662
02:50:56,420 --> 02:50:58,520
kind of structured that way, if that makes sense.

1663
02:50:59,020 --> 02:50:59,920
Big sense, thank you.

1664
02:51:00,360 --> 02:51:00,620
Yep, you're welcome.

1665
02:51:00,980 --> 02:51:02,940
And just an added element on that, you know,

1666
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:06,540
mountain parks donates to different causes.

1667
02:51:07,040 --> 02:51:08,420
The scholarship fund is a big one,

1668
02:51:08,660 --> 02:51:10,800
but such as the criminaling gym renovation,

1669
02:51:11,580 --> 02:51:12,940
the board was able to donate to that

1670
02:51:12,940 --> 02:51:14,760
because of unclaimed capital credits.

1671
02:51:15,240 --> 02:51:16,940
So if you're a former place in Wyoming,

1672
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:19,840
if they couldn't contact you or didn't have your address,

1673
02:51:20,380 --> 02:51:22,840
that would have gone into the unclaimed capital credits fund.

1674
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:26,360
That's what the donations come from.

1675
02:51:26,680 --> 02:51:32,040
We try to make that clear to members that this isn't coming from a rate, so this is coming from a high point.

1676
02:51:33,240 --> 02:51:33,360
Okay.

1677
02:51:33,780 --> 02:51:39,040
And there are rules within the state of Colorado on how cooperatives can use unclean capital credits funds.

1678
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:41,960
We can't just like put that back into our general fund, right?

1679
02:51:42,060 --> 02:51:46,740
So we do have some members who say, well, why are you giving money to this and that and yet you're raising our rates?

1680
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:51,700
Well, it's because those are unclean capital credits and there are restrictions as to how we can use them.

1681
02:51:51,700 --> 02:51:54,040
and education is one community giving us one.

1682
02:51:56,690 --> 02:51:58,990
You have to be a good message to reiterate for people

1683
02:51:58,990 --> 02:52:00,630
because I think that we heard that a lot.

1684
02:52:01,090 --> 02:52:01,550
It's like,

1685
02:52:04,430 --> 02:52:05,450
keep trying.

1686
02:52:05,810 --> 02:52:07,670
I'm having a hard time with the tough topic.

1687
02:52:07,930 --> 02:52:08,150
It is.

1688
02:52:09,130 --> 02:52:09,350
It is.

1689
02:52:09,350 --> 02:52:09,410
It is.

1690
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:09,630
It is.

1691
02:52:09,710 --> 02:52:09,770
It is.

1692
02:52:09,770 --> 02:52:09,810
It is.

1693
02:52:10,450 --> 02:52:25,830
It is.

1694
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:26,550
I told you.

1695
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:28,670
We're all in a data with communication these days.

1696
02:52:28,930 --> 02:52:29,090
All right.

1697
02:52:29,330 --> 02:52:31,910
I mean, so it's hard to get it across.

1698
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:36,210
I think before I move on from this slide, the last thing that I really wanted to highlight

1699
02:52:36,850 --> 02:52:42,710
is in contrast to an investor owned utility, we're locally governed, our board members are

1700
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:43,050
elected.

1701
02:52:43,670 --> 02:52:45,910
So I just think that's an important differentiator.

1702
02:52:46,510 --> 02:52:49,150
I kind of like the acronym for the investor owned utility though.

1703
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:50,270
Hi, I'm here.

1704
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:58,610
I think one thing I will point out here though, sorry to keep interrupting, but I have a tendency

1705
02:52:58,610 --> 02:53:05,030
to do this. One thing about IOUs versus co-ops, and we hear it a lot from a lot of our membership

1706
02:53:05,790 --> 02:53:10,850
has, you know, lives in Denver also, lives here. You know, they have, they have experience with IOUs

1707
02:53:10,850 --> 02:53:17,110
like Excel energy where the rates might be lower. There's a big difference between a utility that

1708
02:53:17,110 --> 02:53:22,430
has density of, say, 2 to 300 meters per mile of line, then a utility that has a density

1709
02:53:22,430 --> 02:53:27,670
of 12 meters per mile of line. So we have that mile of line. We have 12 meters on that

1710
02:53:27,670 --> 02:53:33,170
mile of line to recollect the cost associated with maintaining, building, everything to

1711
02:53:33,170 --> 02:53:38,750
deal with that mile of line. An IOU and downtown Denver, or Colorado Springs

1712
02:53:38,750 --> 02:53:46,450
or wherever, may have 300 meters on that same mile of line. It's a lot more affordable to

1713
02:53:46,450 --> 02:53:50,510
run a utility with 300 meters on a mile of line than it is with 12 meters on a mile of line.

1714
02:53:50,750 --> 02:53:56,410
That's a big difference, a big differentiator between a cooperative and an IOU is that density

1715
02:53:56,410 --> 02:53:57,910
piece and it does drive cost.

1716
02:53:58,670 --> 02:54:02,230
Would that be an accurate or would you, is 12, would that be the, 12 is ours?

1717
02:54:02,470 --> 02:54:02,850
12 is ours.

1718
02:54:03,010 --> 02:54:03,370
That is ours.

1719
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:04,510
12 meters per mile of line.

1720
02:54:04,870 --> 02:54:05,230
Yes, sir.

1721
02:54:07,310 --> 02:54:11,030
That fits with the population density grand counties about eight people per square mile.

1722
02:54:11,410 --> 02:54:16,370
And we don't just serve grand county, we also serve Jackson, you got to remember our density

1723
02:54:16,370 --> 02:54:17,210
includes that as well.

1724
02:54:17,210 --> 02:54:23,280
I don't think Jackson's population density is even one person per square mile.

1725
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:25,320
I think it's a fraction, I point.

1726
02:54:25,800 --> 02:54:28,020
I don't want to speak out of term, but I believe it's the least.

1727
02:54:33,660 --> 02:54:37,280
There are four meters per mile, okay, and that's good to know also.

1728
02:54:38,400 --> 02:54:42,500
Four meters per mile, okay, got it.

1729
02:54:42,580 --> 02:54:43,760
Scratch all of that from the record.

1730
02:54:43,900 --> 02:54:45,560
We do not know how many moves there are per mile of one.

1731
02:54:45,960 --> 02:54:49,140
There are the number of one grass, hay, producing county in the state, just so you know.

1732
02:54:49,900 --> 02:54:53,020
But the density does matter when it comes to cost, which is us.

1733
02:54:55,800 --> 02:54:59,660
So the next two slides, the graphs, they're from a study called the Lawrence Berkeley

1734
02:54:59,660 --> 02:54:59,840
at least.

1735
02:55:00,640 --> 02:55:29,840
It's easy to find online, but if anybody wants it, I'm happy to send them the link. One thing I'd want to highlight here to start is mountain parks were a distribution cooperative, so we would be associated with the green line on this graph. The next thing that's important to understand purchase power, which is also made up of transmission, represents about 50% of our operating expenses each year. And so transmission being that red line, any increase there is going to put pressure on our cost of purchase power.

1736
02:55:30,760 --> 02:55:35,360
And then something else that's important to point out from a transmission standpoint,

1737
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:41,980
there's a, it's called an RTO, regional transmission organization, it's evolving right now,

1738
02:55:42,660 --> 02:55:44,240
and it's going to impact us.

1739
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:50,280
And basically, the best way I've thought of to explain it is an RTO will shift it from

1740
02:55:50,280 --> 02:55:53,580
where we've had structured and predictable transmission costs.

1741
02:55:54,280 --> 02:55:58,480
And it's going to, the two factors that really are going to impact it is it's going to have

1742
02:55:58,480 --> 02:56:02,800
congestion pricing, and then there's going to be regional infrastructure costs.

1743
02:56:03,560 --> 02:56:10,580
And those are things that we don't have control over that could put cost pressure on transmission, and therefore our purchase power.

1744
02:56:13,820 --> 02:56:17,180
The next slide, the capital expense slide.

1745
02:56:17,580 --> 02:56:24,420
So this is the one that I think really speaks to some of the headwinds that we face.

1746
02:56:24,760 --> 02:56:28,200
Again, we would be the green distribution line on here.

1747
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:37,440
So, in this period, you know, we spoke earlier about the need to be constantly replenishing and keeping up with your fixed assets, your capital expenditures.

1748
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:51,680
And at the beginning of this period, if the utility had $5 million of capital work that they needed to do each year, by the end of this period, that number needed to be closer to about $7.5 million if they wanted to keep up.

1749
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:53,780
And that's not a one-time thing.

1750
02:56:54,020 --> 02:56:58,720
That's like a new normal that a utility has to be able to contend.

1751
02:56:59,800 --> 02:57:05,960
And again, the red line being transmission, that's the second biggest part of our purchase

1752
02:57:05,960 --> 02:57:06,580
power cost.

1753
02:57:06,820 --> 02:57:10,740
And so again, that's going to have some downstream impacts as they have to invest in their

1754
02:57:10,740 --> 02:57:11,220
infrastructure.

1755
02:57:14,350 --> 02:57:17,590
On the next slide, this next slide is just a broad highlight.

1756
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:18,630
This is from NERC.

1757
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:28,310
And so in the middle it talks about how the winner peak demand is expected to jump by around 18%.

1758
02:57:28,310 --> 02:57:33,210
The reason that significant is mountain parks is a winter peaking system, we peak in January.

1759
02:57:33,970 --> 02:57:38,610
And then the other part that's in bold at the end of this, that there's a need for

1760
02:57:38,610 --> 02:57:43,250
substantial generation and transmission investment over the next 10 years.

1761
02:57:43,250 --> 02:57:47,550
And, again, that's going to have an impact and likely put pressure on our purchase power

1762
02:57:47,550 --> 02:57:47,870
costs.

1763
02:57:48,330 --> 02:57:50,490
So, again, a big chunk of our operating expenses.

1764
02:57:51,790 --> 02:57:55,010
I jump back to your two graphs a minute ago.

1765
02:57:55,410 --> 02:57:55,810
Yes, please.

1766
02:57:56,350 --> 02:58:03,770
So, both of those graphs show a very dramatic increase in the distribution side of things,

1767
02:58:03,770 --> 02:58:05,910
which is primarily what you're doing.

1768
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:16,890
And yet, quite a bit more than inflation, and yet the graph above where you show your

1769
02:58:16,890 --> 02:58:26,630
rates, they have basically just over a course of time aid flat during that same period.

1770
02:58:27,450 --> 02:58:28,790
What was that possible?

1771
02:58:29,690 --> 02:58:32,790
That's part of the challenge that we're facing right now.

1772
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:39,690
Now we are rates were kept low during a period of time where there were significant inflationary pressures.

1773
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:49,730
We are now facing the pressure of catching up with that, which is part of what we've seen over the last three years where our rate increases.

1774
02:58:50,890 --> 02:58:59,190
The reason that we included these last three graphs, so these two, I think the one you're looking at, so these two that look like this.

1775
02:58:59,190 --> 02:59:17,150
And then also this information about NERC is to just let you guys know that what these national trends have done over the same period of time where mountain parks kept their rates low and the trends that we're still seeing to continue to show pressure on electric rates across the nation, we're still facing those headwinds.

1776
02:59:17,890 --> 02:59:26,490
So, just to kind of lay the groundwork for, these pressures are not getting better, right?

1777
02:59:26,630 --> 02:59:27,190
It's getting harder.

1778
02:59:27,610 --> 02:59:31,130
And yeah, we kept our rates low during a period of time where there was significant inflation.

1779
02:59:31,870 --> 02:59:40,550
So, is that possible because you deferred some of the need developments, improvements in the system?

1780
02:59:41,470 --> 02:59:51,310
I was not here during that period of time, so I would struggle to speak to what was deferred

1781
02:59:51,310 --> 02:59:52,730
or not deferred over those.

1782
02:59:52,810 --> 02:59:56,610
Somehow you were able to keep your rates low and still keep the power on.

1783
02:59:58,210 --> 02:59:59,870
There's likely work that probably

1784
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,640
I think we could have been done during those periods of time that now we have more work that needs to be done. I mean, Adam, do you want to speak to any, do you feel like, or maybe we don't have to? I'm just curious because you see one graph going like this and the other one like this, you can say, how is that even possible? Well, I mean, that's part of, I guess I won't, I won't have you speak to that, Adam. I will say that the graph back on this slide. Right. We go back to that. Yeah, during that same period, you stayed flat on your rights. We stayed flat. Yeah. We needed to, we needed to be raising rights during that period of time.

1785
03:00:29,640 --> 03:00:45,540
And so the way that you get by with not raising rates, when you've got that type of inflationary pressure is either by deferring maintenance or by not hiring people that you need or by, you know, there's all different kinds of things right?

1786
03:00:45,540 --> 03:00:52,630
I mean, there's lots of different things that you great slow when you've got those customers.

1787
03:00:52,730 --> 03:00:57,070
Well, you know, we went through a period of time where things were tight and

1788
03:00:57,070 --> 03:01:01,990
we did not do much in the way of asphalt maintenance.

1789
03:01:03,510 --> 03:01:08,990
And then we went through a period recently of the last, what, six years,

1790
03:01:09,510 --> 03:01:11,830
five years at least of playing catch-up.

1791
03:01:11,890 --> 03:01:12,710
Catch-up, right?

1792
03:01:12,710 --> 03:01:19,250
spending a lot more on that. And we're now we're kind of seeing that maybe after this next year we will be

1793
03:01:19,250 --> 03:01:25,590
Back to where we should have been had we not deferred all that and that's what I would say discraft shows, right?

1794
03:01:25,790 --> 03:01:33,070
So you see that the last couple years we've been catching up right dramatically, but still you're right at inflation where the others are way above it

1795
03:01:33,070 --> 03:01:33,510
Yes, sir

1796
03:01:33,510 --> 03:01:39,970
That's right, and I would say that on top of that now we've got these trends that are continuing, right?

1797
03:01:39,970 --> 03:01:40,030
Right.

1798
03:01:40,190 --> 03:01:41,350
The last two slides that I've shown you.

1799
03:01:41,350 --> 03:01:41,470
Right.

1800
03:01:41,770 --> 03:01:47,270
And this information from NURK saying, now we're seeing this great increase in expected

1801
03:01:47,270 --> 03:01:50,610
load in the winters which puts pressure on the national grid.

1802
03:01:51,170 --> 03:01:56,810
So despite the fact that now we are caught up, I see national headwind still coming our way.

1803
03:01:57,150 --> 03:02:00,530
That's what I'm saying, which is a concerning message I know.

1804
03:02:02,480 --> 03:02:02,940
Thank you.

1805
03:02:04,420 --> 03:02:09,240
Yeah, for whatever it's worth, I came from the investor owned utilities.

1806
03:02:09,240 --> 03:02:14,980
they were water and wastewater utilities throughout rural Arizona and it is a cautionary tale and that was

1807
03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:17,640
honestly part of our business model where we would

1808
03:02:17,640 --> 03:02:18,640
buy these

1809
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:24,820
under capitalized and over depreciated utilities and reinvested them but it's not it's not good for

1810
03:02:24,820 --> 03:02:29,040
anybody because it creates rage shock for the consumer it's it's a big

1811
03:02:29,860 --> 03:02:34,620
project lift to tackle for the administrative team so it's good to normalize and

1812
03:02:34,620 --> 03:02:43,340
And you know, in the decisions at the past, because I wasn't here to make those decisions

1813
03:02:43,340 --> 03:02:49,960
and it's always dangerous to go back and make statements about things you weren't a part

1814
03:02:49,960 --> 03:02:50,580
of.

1815
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:58,920
A lot of utilities in the early, you know, you talk about 2020 to 2022, those years in particular,

1816
03:02:59,160 --> 03:03:04,480
we all saw crazy spikes in cost associated with COVID and everything that was happening

1817
03:03:04,480 --> 03:03:09,540
with a supply chain and supply chain was really disrupted in our industry and I think there

1818
03:03:09,540 --> 03:03:15,260
were a lot of utilities that were cautious to say well are these permanent changes or

1819
03:03:15,260 --> 03:03:22,700
these temporary changes and so to make a rate increase, to base rate increases on what could

1820
03:03:22,700 --> 03:03:24,060
potentially be temporary changes.

1821
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:29,700
Maybe not a great idea either. So there could have been just some

1822
03:03:29,700 --> 03:03:34,980
hesitancy on the part of the board and the management leadership at that time to make permanent changes

1823
03:03:34,980 --> 03:03:38,440
is to address what could have been temporary problems

1824
03:03:38,820 --> 03:03:41,080
or temporary cost pressures, as we've seen,

1825
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:42,020
they've not been temporary.

1826
03:03:42,520 --> 03:03:43,860
And sometimes only time will tell

1827
03:03:43,860 --> 03:03:44,880
whether or not those things are temporary.

1828
03:03:46,660 --> 03:03:47,800
I was on the school board

1829
03:03:47,800 --> 03:03:49,400
when we were building the school during COVID.

1830
03:03:49,660 --> 03:03:52,120
It was like, I mean, we were pivoting on materials

1831
03:03:52,800 --> 03:03:54,920
and, you know, like when we were doing steel,

1832
03:03:55,080 --> 03:03:56,600
and I'm like, oh, you know, we're doing Mason right now,

1833
03:03:56,700 --> 03:03:59,200
so I have a lot of empathy for that.

1834
03:03:59,220 --> 03:04:01,100
I think it's, that was kind of the hard thing.

1835
03:04:01,260 --> 03:04:03,880
Is this a forever or is this, so what do we do?

1836
03:04:04,980 --> 03:04:09,040
And then the other question I was going to kind of get without, I'm going to open up a huge rabbit hole.

1837
03:04:09,160 --> 03:04:10,360
Hopefully we don't have to dive too far down it.

1838
03:04:10,400 --> 03:04:17,780
But obviously we have demand dates from the governor about lowering our footprint and all the other stuff.

1839
03:04:17,780 --> 03:04:22,060
And I know that has a huge impact on the guys that it's concerning.

1840
03:04:22,480 --> 03:04:31,240
We remember as a CCI and we hear these things are ficing and then supply as well.

1841
03:04:31,460 --> 03:04:35,300
And I remember talking about trying to push it back to 2040.

1842
03:04:35,300 --> 03:04:59,960
You remember that I think you were there too, it was a club 20 meeting and they were saying like it could cost Colorado a billion with a B with a lot of the effect being on small businesses or I am actively engaged legislatively on all legislation that impacts, you know, energy one thing that Eric alluded to earlier is the RTO and that legislation.

1843
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,900
If you remember the RT, well, you may not, because it's probably not one that you guys have to track, but the regional transmission organization, the RTO legislation went into effect, gosh, it was three. I'm going to get the year wrong, but it basically was saying the Colorado Utilities will join an RTO by 2026. That is this year. The impacts of the RTO joining the RTO this year, four mountain parks will be costly. I mean, that's going to be a costly impact and we don't have any control over that.

1844
03:05:29,900 --> 03:05:34,500
A lot of utilities will see benefits from that, we're going to see costs from that and

1845
03:05:34,500 --> 03:05:37,560
that's not calculated into any rates that we currently have in place.

1846
03:05:38,300 --> 03:05:39,840
That's one piece of legislation.

1847
03:05:41,940 --> 03:05:47,280
The legislation as far as clean energy is concerned, our current power supply contract covers

1848
03:05:47,280 --> 03:05:49,560
the existing legislation in place.

1849
03:05:50,140 --> 03:05:57,300
If the requirements get more strict, if the legislation changes and we have to meet targets

1850
03:05:57,300 --> 03:06:04,320
It's sooner, or if there are intermittent targets that we have to meet, all of that will increase our power supply cost.

1851
03:06:04,660 --> 03:06:12,140
Yes. And so we do engage with legislative processes around those, around those goals and

1852
03:06:12,140 --> 03:06:16,440
around any legislation that acts the cost to our members.

1853
03:06:16,700 --> 03:06:17,720
And it

1854
03:06:21,460 --> 03:06:26,560
would be who best to keep the goals where they are right now, because that's what our power supply contract has in it.

1855
03:06:27,140 --> 03:06:28,240
And our cost will go up.

1856
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:38,000
And if you keep us updated, you know, we sit on a lot of groups, you know, and I'm thinking more like AGMC in Club 20 and CCI.

1857
03:06:39,140 --> 03:06:43,120
I know with CCI when you were talking about the RTO, they didn't really have a county nexus. We kind of felt it.

1858
03:06:43,320 --> 03:06:52,180
I felt it did, but whatever. But, you know, if there's, if you're ever like, hey, can you reach out to AGMC and just let them know this is how we feel about this.

1859
03:06:52,180 --> 03:06:55,380
I mean, it sounds like we're kind of walking in the same direction.

1860
03:06:55,580 --> 03:07:00,680
So hopefully we can help get some of our groups supporting you guys to keep, I think.

1861
03:07:00,780 --> 03:07:04,900
Yeah, I think any time we reach out on those kind of things that we don't necessarily have the expertise about,

1862
03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:08,220
but it's a fixed grant county in a big way or a good.

1863
03:07:08,680 --> 03:07:13,480
You know, during legislative session, Mary and I go down to CCI committee meetings and then we have every Thursday

1864
03:07:13,480 --> 03:07:19,480
we have a meeting with HNC and it's just something we can ask the group that runs it and say, hey, listen, what does this mean?

1865
03:07:19,480 --> 03:07:21,140
I mean, these guys have talked to us,

1866
03:07:21,420 --> 03:07:22,080
work here is what it means,

1867
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:23,980
and can we get everybody on board with it,

1868
03:07:23,980 --> 03:07:26,240
and I think that we would find agents,

1869
03:07:26,420 --> 03:07:27,900
I think, would be a pretty amenable group.

1870
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:29,700
Probably a club 20 also.

1871
03:07:30,020 --> 03:07:31,260
That's the three big ones, I think,

1872
03:07:31,260 --> 03:07:33,000
that we work with on these things.

1873
03:07:33,340 --> 03:07:34,300
Well, I appreciate that,

1874
03:07:34,500 --> 03:07:35,780
and I mean, we are very active.

1875
03:07:36,040 --> 03:07:37,960
I've got legislative calls three days a week

1876
03:07:38,440 --> 03:07:39,340
during this time of year.

1877
03:07:39,640 --> 03:07:40,560
We're just kind of constant.

1878
03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:44,920
Yeah, we do take stances on a lot of legislation,

1879
03:07:45,000 --> 03:07:47,520
and are actively engaged in a lot of it as well.

1880
03:07:47,520 --> 03:07:55,160
So, if there are ever ones where I feel like we could use off and on, I will absolutely reach out.

1881
03:07:56,080 --> 03:07:58,880
That's two, like, you know, letter of support from the Green County Commissioners.

1882
03:07:59,160 --> 03:08:00,360
Yep, absolutely.

1883
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:02,360
These are listeners on our product.

1884
03:08:04,580 --> 03:08:07,560
Can I just ask a question real quick, or a point of clarification?

1885
03:08:07,860 --> 03:08:14,100
So, going back to that first slide, when you were talking about it, it was a 7% rate increase

1886
03:08:14,100 --> 03:08:23,060
over the last year and average of like $9 on the residential cost.

1887
03:08:24,480 --> 03:08:33,000
So the commissioners were getting some feedback from some rate payers that their bill went up like $85 to $100 per month.

1888
03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:45,020
Is that, are these just anomalies, are they just extremely inefficient systems, what are you hearing from a lot of customers?

1889
03:08:46,360 --> 03:08:57,960
It'd be tough to say without knowing the specifics, I mean, so if we have any imbalance in our rate classes, we won't necessarily try to catch them up right away.

1890
03:08:58,640 --> 03:09:11,220
there's a, there like to be gradual as far as making changes, so let's say you're in a rate class that's behind where mine is and we're trying to catch you up instead of doing it all in one year, we might phase it in over three or four or five years.

1891
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:21,020
So there could be customers that were impacted disproportionately more because of a catch up feature I don't know for sure, could depend on their load.

1892
03:09:21,020 --> 03:09:23,220
Yeah, it really would be case by case basis.

1893
03:09:23,460 --> 03:09:29,960
I would say the information we have here is true for the majority, right?

1894
03:09:30,100 --> 03:09:31,260
That is the average.

1895
03:09:31,800 --> 03:09:34,380
There will always be the ends of the average, right?

1896
03:09:34,600 --> 03:09:39,160
And so if you've got an individual person who's coming to you saying my bill went up by this much,

1897
03:09:39,260 --> 03:09:43,760
the only way for us to really know that is to know that person, their meter, their account,

1898
03:09:43,900 --> 03:09:47,580
and we can look at it, and we have those members who come to our board meetings and

1899
03:09:47,580 --> 03:09:51,600
to our board members and say the same thing, and we walk through it with them.

1900
03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:57,220
There are individual members who will be disproportionately impacted because of either

1901
03:09:57,220 --> 03:09:59,980
their use or the rate that they're on or some-

1902
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:13,700
Individual circumstance that makes it different, but no, on average across the class, the residential class, that is the, that's based on average usage, you know, everybody has average usage, and that's based on.

1903
03:10:16,200 --> 03:10:31,020
What does that 7% about the same, I mean like. Great increase percentage on the class is the same, like so if it is. And I don't remember what the exact one was on the residential rate class, was it. Yeah, would have.

1904
03:10:32,200 --> 03:10:36,300
I don't remember, I remember this system access charge went up a dollar, so

1905
03:10:36,300 --> 03:10:39,280
everybody's system access charge would have gone up a dollar.

1906
03:10:39,860 --> 03:10:43,320
And then the cost per kilowatt hour went to 0.1375.

1907
03:10:43,640 --> 03:10:46,380
Everybody would pay 0.1375 per kilowatt.

1908
03:10:46,460 --> 03:10:49,940
How that percentage balances out is based on how much you use.

1909
03:10:50,580 --> 03:10:55,760
Okay, so if you're, let's you build $1,000, you're going up 70 bucks.

1910
03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:57,220
If it's $100, you're going up 7.

1911
03:10:57,220 --> 03:10:57,840
I don't

1912
03:11:00,280 --> 03:11:01,220
know if the lights are a little bit.

1913
03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:06,240
You encourage all members if they have a concern about it to come talk to us.

1914
03:11:06,420 --> 03:11:11,000
We have people who work in the Aaron's department who can come out and do an audit.

1915
03:11:11,180 --> 03:11:12,640
They can tell them about all of our programs.

1916
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:16,500
We have programs for people who are on, you know, who have low income.

1917
03:11:16,520 --> 03:11:21,410
We have programs for people who are audits with.

1918
03:11:22,250 --> 03:11:23,410
Yeah, next line.

1919
03:11:24,030 --> 03:11:24,590
Yeah, there you go.

1920
03:11:24,890 --> 03:11:25,290
Right.

1921
03:11:25,290 --> 03:11:26,190
right into it perfectly.

1922
03:11:26,410 --> 03:11:26,730
Yes, exactly.

1923
03:11:27,010 --> 03:11:27,150
All right.

1924
03:11:27,490 --> 03:11:32,570
I mean, we have some wonderful member service representatives, Lindsey McCann, who lives in

1925
03:11:32,570 --> 03:11:36,650
town and others, but that's kind of our first line.

1926
03:11:36,810 --> 03:11:41,110
And so when a member calls and says, whoa, my bill is higher than I thought it was going

1927
03:11:41,110 --> 03:11:41,310
to be.

1928
03:11:41,430 --> 03:11:41,970
It's way too high.

1929
03:11:42,470 --> 03:11:48,230
And so we have some common, you know, things that we go through, you know, is your heat

1930
03:11:48,230 --> 03:11:49,450
tape left on all day?

1931
03:11:50,190 --> 03:11:54,670
Do you have, you know, whatever it might be, we have a whole list of things that we run

1932
03:11:54,670 --> 03:12:00,150
through and sometimes we can identify and we can go look at their usage. We have smart hub for

1933
03:12:00,150 --> 03:12:06,090
members that can sign up. We can access their usage too so we can look and see trends, monthly trends,

1934
03:12:06,290 --> 03:12:14,030
the early trends. Then going back to this slide, energy efficiency promotion, I mean that's a big

1935
03:12:14,030 --> 03:12:18,990
thing we've really gotten into where we try to help members individually with their energy efficiency

1936
03:12:18,990 --> 03:12:24,330
to cut their costs. So we partner with the Sanable Grant. We have a great rebate on the home

1937
03:12:24,330 --> 03:12:29,350
energy audits. They have trained professionals. They come out to your home. I had one done

1938
03:12:29,350 --> 03:12:33,690
this last year and it was great. So they can identify areas that you can improve when you're

1939
03:12:33,690 --> 03:12:40,630
and then the boost program we started last year to help those families that are impacted more

1940
03:12:40,630 --> 03:12:46,910
so about rate increases and come qualified. So we're trying to continue to spread the word about

1941
03:12:46,910 --> 03:12:52,130
the boost program. We work with Bound Family Center on that to identify families that they might

1942
03:12:52,130 --> 03:13:00,290
be in need and the care program is through the state and mountain parks funds up to 12 families 12

1943
03:13:00,290 --> 03:13:07,190
households to come in and a lot of her comes in sees how their house functions and operates in

1944
03:13:07,190 --> 03:13:14,990
terms of efficiency and then it pays for a lot of upgrades for their home so their energy bills will

1945
03:13:21,340 --> 03:13:26,160
Basement Program as well, just, you know, rebates for heat tape, timers, rebates for

1946
03:13:28,040 --> 03:13:31,540
inflation. I forget what they all are. Yeah, we look at it every year and we try to see

1947
03:13:31,540 --> 03:13:35,760
with some of the people who are calling about what some of the challenges are, we we started

1948
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:40,980
to notice with the energy audience that people didn't have insulation in their crawl spaces.

1949
03:13:41,580 --> 03:13:46,500
So we added an insulation rebate this last year and it's really been popular. Like I said,

1950
03:13:46,500 --> 03:13:56,440
But the heat tape is a big culprit for our members and so we added a heat tape timer because we don't we try to recommend not to keep it on 24 hours a day.

1951
03:13:56,680 --> 03:13:57,800
Just trying

1952
03:14:00,430 --> 03:14:05,270
to identify those areas and change our programming to help members with that.

1953
03:14:05,290 --> 03:14:13,150
Best way for members to learn about their usage and about how to help with their bills to reach out to us and we will walk through it with them.

1954
03:14:13,150 --> 03:14:17,600
And then in terms of cost effectiveness,

1955
03:14:18,620 --> 03:14:23,160
the first bullet there grant funding has been a big thing with mountain parks the past few years.

1956
03:14:23,880 --> 03:14:31,660
And the new era grant that we've been awarded is more than $100 million still trying to work on a daily basis to secure that funding and

1957
03:14:31,660 --> 03:14:42,600
get some of those checks to come in but also funding just to help us with our maintenance and upgrades to our system to help us reliability safe.

1958
03:14:46,360 --> 03:14:49,100
So if we could move to one next slide please.

1959
03:14:50,500 --> 03:14:53,520
So these next two graphs, these are the last two that I have for you all.

1960
03:14:54,520 --> 03:14:59,980
This is data from CFC, they're cooperative themselves, but they lend to electric cooperatives like us.

1961
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:28,460
And so it's very competitive rates, very reasonable terms, but they aggregate data for over 800 cooperatives nationwide. And so the gray bars would represent mountain parks, the blue line represents the state average, and then the black line would represent the national average. And so this is our operating revenue per consumer. I think a couple of things that are important to keep in mind here. We live in an area that has a high cost of living, largely due to housing.

1962
03:15:29,500 --> 03:15:33,780
But if you look at our revenue per consumer, we're roughly

1963
03:15:33,780 --> 03:15:37,520
called it 20% or so below the national and state averages there.

1964
03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:41,140
And this would, again, those two lines would include all the

1965
03:15:41,140 --> 03:15:45,040
cooperatives throughout Colorado or the nation that would be in,

1966
03:15:45,160 --> 03:15:46,980
and call it more affordable areas.

1967
03:15:48,120 --> 03:15:52,640
And if we go to the next slide, this one shows kind of the opposite

1968
03:15:52,640 --> 03:15:56,140
side of the same coin where we've got our total operating expenses

1969
03:15:56,140 --> 03:16:09,020
as per consumer, you know, as Virginia alluded to a little bit ago, we have less density than an investor-owned utility like Excel would have, so we just, we can't achieve the economies of scale that they could, like in a more metropolitan area.

1970
03:16:10,600 --> 03:16:25,560
But again, I think the fact that we're in a rugged terrain that's got such a high cost of living, the fact that our revenue per customer is lower than those national and state averages and our operating expenses per consumer are lower than those averages.

1971
03:16:25,560 --> 03:16:32,260
I mean, I feel strongly that that supports our mission of being cost effective for our members.

1972
03:16:33,020 --> 03:16:45,400
It's really hard to make those jumps because, for example, if the residents in your service area had more gas,

1973
03:16:46,740 --> 03:16:52,200
then your revenues and costs would be lower than someplace it doesn't.

1974
03:16:52,200 --> 03:17:01,240
So, you know, I appreciate the comparisons, but you can't make too many conclusions based upon these types of statistics.

1975
03:17:02,520 --> 03:17:20,510
That's true. There can definitely be some of that. It is helpful to compare with, you know, similarly situated co-ops, which is where we like to look at like our Colorado neighbors and just like that, because you can make some assumptions based on, you know, them being gassy and things like that. That definitely does.

1976
03:17:24,990 --> 03:17:29,630
All right, so that's kind of all we've got on rates and now I'm going to turn it over to Adam to talk

1977
03:17:30,130 --> 03:17:34,870
And we'll try to go through this quickly because I know we're running our time is getting short already, but

1978
03:17:36,050 --> 03:17:40,190
We understood that you guys have some questions about like infrastructure and do we have enough

1979
03:17:40,730 --> 03:17:46,450
Capacity to meet growth. So we're going to start with a little definition of like how we define capacity

1980
03:17:46,450 --> 03:17:53,810
Because we think it might be different than what you guys are asking. So we'll get into that real quickly. Yeah, so I think I can

1981
03:17:53,810 --> 03:18:00,570
We can run through this quickly, but a couple things I want to just point out when we're thinking about capacity.

1982
03:18:00,990 --> 03:18:05,310
So MP has a power supply contract, which you see there on your slide.

1983
03:18:05,650 --> 03:18:09,550
That includes our normal load and then average growth.

1984
03:18:15,600 --> 03:18:21,700
New infrastructure, new large infrastructure is built off of growth.

1985
03:18:21,700 --> 03:18:22,700
potentially

1986
03:18:26,060 --> 03:18:27,580
a large load they would be

1987
03:18:29,980 --> 03:18:38,960
the term capacity to be very clear. MP has ample capacity

1988
03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:46,460
today to serve all of our existing members or I would say average are our normal growth.

1989
03:18:50,460 --> 03:18:56,180
And that's looked at pretty consistently not only through our engineering but outside

1990
03:18:56,180 --> 03:19:04,270
engineering's just loading something or you know talk more as we go here but

1991
03:19:04,270 --> 03:19:10,370
these as you need more capacity or a larger infrastructure it doesn't happen

1992
03:19:10,370 --> 03:19:16,230
overnight it's kind of like it takes years of planning and preparation.

1993
03:19:19,330 --> 03:19:23,710
Yes they're like in the loop so when they're building a room or a cornerstone or

1994
03:19:23,710 --> 03:19:26,670
rendezvous like you guys you guys are like oh gosh you're doing that tomorrow

1995
03:19:28,550 --> 03:19:34,530
I know sometimes they're not always organized, but we're going to talk about that a little bit.

1996
03:19:35,010 --> 03:19:37,230
But yes, we want to be in the loop.

1997
03:19:37,490 --> 03:19:42,550
We try to be in the loop possible to stay in the loop.

1998
03:19:42,730 --> 03:19:49,830
Because when you see romes or rendezvous large subdivisions or potentially

1999
03:19:52,860 --> 03:19:56,640
or that could be five to ten years out, depending on how large

2000
03:19:56,640 --> 03:19:59,880
I'm talking that we need to serve those new loads.

2001
03:20:02,610 --> 03:20:30,770
Okay, so this is a nerdy question. 12 meaners per line, for mile, for mile. So can we get it up to 15 or 20? I mean, what would be the trigger where we'd have to get bigger wires or run another line? So let's see how I feed her. So not to get too nerdy about it. But so there's different wires, different sizes of wires on our system.

2002
03:20:30,770 --> 03:20:36,290
and depending about how far away you are from the source, which in this case is close

2003
03:20:41,760 --> 03:20:42,180
to the

2004
03:20:42,180 --> 03:20:43,360
substation or your

2005
03:20:45,890 --> 03:20:53,430
aquaculture or some far away at the end of the line, you know, that

2006
03:20:55,230 --> 03:20:58,750
mission line all the way out to the end of the line at

2007
03:21:00,900 --> 03:21:02,000
a centerway out there.

2008
03:21:02,060 --> 03:21:06,380
It really depends on the individual feeders. Samara feeders are built with different size wire

2009
03:21:06,380 --> 03:21:11,620
than other feeders, right? So if you're trying to put a large load out at the end of a feeder that's

2010
03:21:11,620 --> 03:21:16,320
is built with smaller wire, that's a different answer to the question.

2011
03:21:16,420 --> 03:21:22,480
And if you're trying to put a large load or multiple meters out on a feeder that's served with larger conductors.

2012
03:21:23,060 --> 03:21:24,340
And thank you back on my question a little bit.

2013
03:21:24,540 --> 03:21:29,580
So like, do you work with Chris on our planning and zoning, our development department,

2014
03:21:29,740 --> 03:21:31,680
like our people come to you before they go there?

2015
03:21:32,260 --> 03:21:32,920
Who are you CC?

2016
03:21:34,120 --> 03:21:37,940
So we have people within our GIS,

2017
03:21:47,770 --> 03:21:50,050
our engineering department and the design department.

2018
03:21:50,050 --> 03:21:54,510
I was just trying to think if there's anything we can do to make your life easier to sound like you guys are already ahead of me

2019
03:21:54,510 --> 03:22:01,810
Which is kind of have a we have a slide in here that goes over that where we we do request more engagement we need more

2020
03:22:03,930 --> 03:22:04,330
Information

2021
03:22:05,450 --> 03:22:12,550
Further in advance to do this better. So we would like a seat at the table earlier on a lot of projects

2022
03:22:12,550 --> 03:22:17,830
So we are getting informed some of them at the right time some projects not at the right time, you know

2023
03:22:17,830 --> 03:22:22,910
some, there could be a better engagement between us and a lot of different

2024
03:22:22,910 --> 03:22:28,090
parties as far as knowing further in advance what the development plans are.

2025
03:22:29,350 --> 03:22:31,910
And that's not just at the county level.

2026
03:22:32,010 --> 03:22:36,570
That's with the towns, that's everybody and a lot of that onus is on us to become

2027
03:22:36,570 --> 03:22:36,910
more humble.

2028
03:22:39,380 --> 03:22:41,100
Hold my down, I said in question till later.

2029
03:22:41,960 --> 03:22:42,140
Okay.

2030
03:22:43,220 --> 03:22:46,000
I mean, I feel bad, I feel like that's because you mentioned it already.

2031
03:22:46,180 --> 03:22:46,340
Okay.

2032
03:22:46,780 --> 03:22:47,880
You know, like three slides ahead.

2033
03:22:47,880 --> 03:22:48,820
He said the word first.

2034
03:22:48,820 --> 03:22:49,340
I did it.

2035
03:22:50,260 --> 03:22:50,760
I'm sorry.

2036
03:22:52,320 --> 03:22:53,460
I'm an off-skid.

2037
03:22:53,860 --> 03:23:02,780
Our lines and keep the lights on, so please ask questions and just want to be clear when

2038
03:23:02,780 --> 03:23:04,680
we're talking about capacity for mom parts.

2039
03:23:04,780 --> 03:23:07,900
We're really talking about our substations, our feeders can

2040
03:23:16,640 --> 03:23:17,280
go forward.

2041
03:23:17,960 --> 03:23:20,040
That's we do have capacity the day.

2042
03:23:20,040 --> 03:23:26,360
But we are seeing more large loads come onto our

2043
03:23:28,920 --> 03:23:29,840
parking.

2044
03:23:30,600 --> 03:23:34,000
You guys can see all the construction that's going on over there.

2045
03:23:34,500 --> 03:23:38,240
They've kind of stopped building out, and now everything's building vertical.

2046
03:23:38,540 --> 03:23:40,260
In my opinion, running

2047
03:23:43,330 --> 03:23:45,150
out of kind of the easy building spots,

2048
03:23:45,150 --> 03:23:46,430
and now we're building their

2049
03:23:49,950 --> 03:23:51,870
large load buildings.

2050
03:23:52,270 --> 03:23:53,690
So some

2051
03:23:58,970 --> 03:24:01,330
of the subdivisions that are planned are

2052
03:24:04,530 --> 03:24:06,370
really large subdivisions.

2053
03:24:06,370 --> 03:24:07,230
for

2054
03:24:11,610 --> 03:24:14,570
years since working here, over 20,

2055
03:24:21,900 --> 03:24:23,340
you are going to get to a point here.

2056
03:24:31,250 --> 03:24:35,950
Sure growth that we're seeing doesn't seem to match historical growth.

2057
03:24:36,110 --> 03:24:38,790
Right, so we were pretty steady for a long time.

2058
03:24:39,050 --> 03:24:39,250
We did

2059
03:24:46,030 --> 03:24:52,650
this again, and again, maybe it's just some sort of electrical loads

2060
03:24:52,650 --> 03:24:53,490
there.

2061
03:25:02,900 --> 03:25:04,760
All served our electrical load up here.

2062
03:25:07,360 --> 03:25:15,000
I mean, you're talking about like, you know, the winter park, you know, the URA. They're, you know, the aerial transit system and big hotels and all that stuff. I mean, that's going to be substantial.

2063
03:25:23,700 --> 03:25:39,160
Have some on our system already, but I mean, they're just more than our normal that we're used to and then said it's coming on as quick. I'd want to point out here that growth pays its way.

2064
03:25:43,930 --> 03:25:47,310
Really important amount of parks if we didn't believe in growth pays its way.

2065
03:25:47,310 --> 03:25:51,670
then that price to build that new substates

2066
03:26:00,440 --> 03:26:01,900
to build this new infrastructure.

2067
03:26:11,620 --> 03:26:13,340
I can chime in briefly to Adam.

2068
03:26:13,580 --> 03:26:18,460
It's important from a risk mitigation standpoint because imagine if you had a large business come in.

2069
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:24,680
And we had the members pay for that infrastructure and then that business fails and leaves the county.

2070
03:26:25,220 --> 03:26:28,980
That basically would leave the members with the tab so to speak.

2071
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:31,940
So that's another important component of growth paying his way.

2072
03:26:31,940 --> 03:26:37,920
not the jump ahead too far but I will because I think it makes sense when you're

2073
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:38,800
thinking of a

2074
03:26:41,650 --> 03:26:45,270
potential a little bit of a risky load. It's really good.

2075
03:26:48,820 --> 03:26:49,540
Some of

2076
03:26:49,540 --> 03:26:54,740
these data centers would dwarf all of mountain parks as loads depending

2077
03:26:56,880 --> 03:26:57,220
on what

2078
03:26:57,220 --> 03:26:58,400
size of data center.

2079
03:27:06,630 --> 03:27:09,830
A data center is actually a good example of this so if there

2080
03:27:09,830 --> 03:27:14,350
were to be a single load like a data center that wanted to come on and that's

2081
03:27:14,350 --> 03:27:18,450
there's not one right now, but let's say that there were, there is not one right now.

2082
03:27:19,330 --> 03:27:22,870
But let's say there were a data center that was interested in coming online and that would

2083
03:27:22,870 --> 03:27:27,110
require us to build a substation that's bigger than anything we have, because they're larger than

2084
03:27:27,110 --> 03:27:32,310
all of our load combined. That would be a hundred percent having to be paid for by that data center.

2085
03:27:32,850 --> 03:27:36,730
So that is like what Adam was talking about with growth pace in his way. Now there is growth that

2086
03:27:36,730 --> 03:27:42,570
happens just kind of like natural across the board growth, which is kind of what's happening across

2087
03:27:42,570 --> 03:27:43,830
or service territory, right?

2088
03:27:44,070 --> 03:27:46,010
So a few houses here, a few houses there,

2089
03:27:46,190 --> 03:27:47,290
a business here, a business there.

2090
03:27:47,610 --> 03:27:51,770
When you have that sprinkled out growth across a large footprint,

2091
03:27:51,770 --> 03:27:53,750
and it's not one single business here,

2092
03:27:54,050 --> 03:27:59,670
when there are some of those upgrades do become baked into overall member costs.

2093
03:27:59,830 --> 03:28:02,730
Some of that is the infrastructure stuff that we talked to you guys about earlier

2094
03:28:02,730 --> 03:28:05,150
that does go into all members' costs.

2095
03:28:05,310 --> 03:28:10,030
If we have to make upgrades that go to serve member

2096
03:28:10,030 --> 03:28:12,610
across our entire service territory.

2097
03:28:14,230 --> 03:28:17,870
For example, that would be, say we have to rebuild the power line to

2098
03:28:17,870 --> 03:28:24,590
hot sulfur here in the end of its life they're going to look at well to make

2099
03:28:24,590 --> 03:28:26,870
sure that lasts the next 50 to 70 years.

2100
03:28:33,560 --> 03:28:34,320
That's how we would.

2101
03:28:42,100 --> 03:28:43,320
And in our system

2102
03:28:43,320 --> 03:28:47,380
is designed, we have a really good system, anybody that looks at it.

2103
03:28:53,030 --> 03:28:53,830
That's why, you

2104
03:28:53,830 --> 03:28:58,660
know, that is why someone we had those fly.

2105
03:29:14,520 --> 03:29:15,420
Just a couple

2106
03:29:15,420 --> 03:29:18,400
things here on this we're let's see

2107
03:29:20,420 --> 03:29:23,860
yep you are on the right one thank you just a couple

2108
03:29:23,860 --> 03:29:30,060
of points here so the the large load that we're seeing coming on board if the subdivisions

2109
03:29:30,060 --> 03:29:32,020
build out like they're in their master.

2110
03:29:34,260 --> 03:29:37,020
We actually double our load our existing load

2111
03:29:37,020 --> 03:29:44,260
that we have expecting that's going to come online five to ten years so if you think mountain

2112
03:29:44,260 --> 03:29:50,200
parks is just going to all of a sudden double the load we're serving that takes significant infrastructure.

2113
03:29:51,420 --> 03:29:57,920
So we're seeing on that phrasier into the county, not just one member, it's several over there.

2114
03:30:14,440 --> 03:30:23,340
And that does not take six to eight weeks. That takes five to ten years to plan. So, and we are engaged with the people that we need to engage.

2115
03:30:27,540 --> 03:30:43,960
So now we're on timeline for new services. So a typical anybody comes in, you know, you're building a new house. We're walking the door. You're on our website. About six to eight weeks out. Kind of.

2116
03:30:43,960 --> 03:30:47,410
you know, the meat with them, the

2117
03:30:51,090 --> 03:30:52,210
design, the engineering,

2118
03:30:56,960 --> 03:30:59,420
those larger projects, subdivisions,

2119
03:30:59,960 --> 03:31:06,120
new, you know, larger projects, they can take years to complete, it just,

2120
03:31:10,580 --> 03:31:11,300
it's already

2121
03:31:11,300 --> 03:31:19,280
touched on a little bit, the COVID realities are to issue from it, so I have to,

2122
03:31:21,780 --> 03:31:22,520
we saw some

2123
03:31:22,520 --> 03:31:26,560
materials jump 400% in just a couple months.

2124
03:31:27,420 --> 03:31:35,640
last year, we saw a national rubber shortage. Our team does, I think, an amazing job figuring out different ways.

2125
03:31:40,420 --> 03:31:47,810
I can only think of just a couple projects that were delayed because the transformers can be two to three years out.

2126
03:31:48,170 --> 03:31:53,530
So, we do mention to everybody not just you guys, sooner we can plan for this.

2127
03:31:54,390 --> 03:31:59,590
That means we can have adequate inventory on hand to keep up with construction.

2128
03:31:59,590 --> 03:32:02,810
And we also have to keep enough material,

2129
03:32:09,580 --> 03:32:10,820
we always have a minimum.

2130
03:32:19,100 --> 03:32:24,780
We did have one other mentioned here, even our equipment, as far as trucks and whatnot.

2131
03:32:25,020 --> 03:32:26,540
You guys probably have seen that too.

2132
03:32:31,240 --> 03:32:32,380
A lot of planning involved.

2133
03:32:32,740 --> 03:32:36,840
So, not only the material to build the lines, but the right.

2134
03:32:42,480 --> 03:32:46,420
And the next slide here, we've talked about it a little bit.

2135
03:32:46,780 --> 03:32:49,000
But yeah, we want to be a good partner.

2136
03:32:49,000 --> 03:32:52,280
You know, part of being a good partner with everybody is having that

2137
03:32:57,920 --> 03:33:07,740
beforehand as possible or, you know, let you guys know where the towns know about more of the forums that really hinder what we do.

2138
03:33:10,260 --> 03:33:14,960
Large loads, you know, one thing I have to mention here is just the

2139
03:33:17,580 --> 03:33:19,420
flats that we're seeing they don't leave it.

2140
03:33:30,120 --> 03:33:31,080
We don't want to

2141
03:33:35,750 --> 03:33:37,830
operate it without...

2142
03:33:41,450 --> 03:33:49,350
You know that we are in the midst of early stages of our master development plan, right?

2143
03:33:49,690 --> 03:33:55,950
Yes, and I do understand that we now have somebody who's going to be in the process, right?

2144
03:33:56,450 --> 03:33:56,550
Nick.

2145
03:33:56,830 --> 03:33:56,970
Nick.

2146
03:33:58,210 --> 03:33:59,910
So we worked with Cress.

2147
03:34:00,110 --> 03:34:02,630
I think it was to get Nick on that.

2148
03:34:03,010 --> 03:34:04,810
Because like our easements and permitting.

2149
03:34:05,810 --> 03:34:08,450
But we've got somebody there, which we really appreciate.

2150
03:34:08,450 --> 03:34:13,750
You mentioned moratoriums and I don't know, I don't think we've actually taken the action.

2151
03:34:13,910 --> 03:34:16,210
Have we in terms of data centers?

2152
03:34:16,530 --> 03:34:30,950
I know we're jumping ahead, but we have talked about putting a moratorium on those until we are in a position where we can develop all the appropriate regulations.

2153
03:34:33,510 --> 03:34:37,850
The one that, you know, pops to my mind first was there was one recently placed.

2154
03:34:38,130 --> 03:34:42,010
I understand on solar batteries and all of that.

2155
03:34:42,010 --> 03:34:46,190
That, you know, has an impact on us because we actually had an RFP out for, you know,

2156
03:34:46,470 --> 03:34:49,170
developing those resources for getting those resources locally.

2157
03:34:49,870 --> 03:34:51,170
Solar, potentially batteries.

2158
03:34:51,390 --> 03:34:55,590
We might need batteries for our own use to help you

2159
03:34:59,080 --> 03:34:59,980
really do.

2160
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:10,020
So it was kind of a surprise for us to see that moratorium in place and that impacts us.

2161
03:35:10,780 --> 03:35:23,600
From our standpoint, it's moratorium until we're ready to be able to do that. So we're obviously open to discussion. But it was specific to large solar and large wind.

2162
03:35:23,600 --> 03:35:30,700
So if I understand correctly, it's 25 KW and above, which is very small, that's like a small one on a house.

2163
03:35:31,240 --> 03:35:34,600
Anything, I mean, it's a very small.

2164
03:35:34,820 --> 03:35:37,540
So anything we do would be significantly larger than that.

2165
03:35:37,680 --> 03:35:39,620
25 KW on a house is very small.

2166
03:35:41,400 --> 03:35:45,000
We should review that because that's not the intent.

2167
03:35:45,380 --> 03:35:51,240
Because the intent wasn't that if you want home, we wouldn't stop that.

2168
03:35:51,240 --> 03:35:56,520
the intent was more that yeah we don't want to be driving and all of a sudden you look and there's

2169
03:35:56,520 --> 03:36:01,720
sure and we have no more auditorium right now on nuclear reactors

2170
03:36:03,840 --> 03:36:10,320
great so if I had one of those in my back pocket well they can fly them around now so

2171
03:36:10,320 --> 03:36:16,520
well the 25kw people could still do that on their homes I understand but for anything that we would

2172
03:36:16,520 --> 03:36:22,460
be doing as a utility, 25KW is very small. That is very small.

2173
03:36:25,640 --> 03:36:27,540
So if we get down that path,

2174
03:36:27,740 --> 03:36:32,700
I will definitely come down and talk to you guys. There's something that we need. It does

2175
03:36:32,700 --> 03:36:38,880
hinder us from some of the things we were looking at doing. Local resources and the carve out resources

2176
03:36:38,880 --> 03:36:43,120
that we had within our contract for power supply and also

2177
03:36:45,360 --> 03:36:48,040
our resource adequacy requirements under

2178
03:36:48,040 --> 03:36:52,740
the new RTO, batteries specifically, so

2179
03:36:55,970 --> 03:36:58,870
just the whole seat at the table thing, you know,

2180
03:36:58,910 --> 03:37:05,050
anytime there's something that involves certainly utility-scale issues, you know,

2181
03:37:05,210 --> 03:37:10,430
generation, we'd love to know about it and to be able to, you know, have a chance to come talk

2182
03:37:10,430 --> 03:37:12,130
to you guys about it and provide our input.

2183
03:37:15,470 --> 03:37:20,790
Just, I mean, our mindset in that too was more like

2184
03:37:22,720 --> 03:37:36,940
some large out-of-community project because, you know, you see that happening where large name brand IOUs are out there and all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we bought 2000 acres and we're going to cover it with windmills and

2185
03:37:43,020 --> 03:37:47,420
those directly for our community. I think we'd look at differently than I

2186
03:37:51,000 --> 03:37:51,740
would anyway, I don't know.

2187
03:37:51,740 --> 03:37:57,240
So we're hearing these ones that are potentially going in Eastern Colorado that are gigawatts,

2188
03:37:57,380 --> 03:38:00,700
two and three gigawatts of power consumption that they're using.

2189
03:38:03,230 --> 03:38:05,350
I was talking about the solar farms in the way.

2190
03:38:05,470 --> 03:38:08,470
But that's the solar farm associated with the data centers, what I'm talking about.

2191
03:38:10,070 --> 03:38:14,550
I think some of the requirements, well I don't know if some counties are making them,

2192
03:38:14,990 --> 03:38:19,390
I think you mentioned it too, they have to pay their own way, which would include generating

2193
03:38:19,390 --> 03:38:25,790
in their own power, which will include a huge field of solar panels or a small nuclear reactor.

2194
03:38:25,890 --> 03:38:27,030
Or a small nuclear reactor.

2195
03:38:28,990 --> 03:38:30,810
WAPA, I'm not there.

2196
03:38:31,210 --> 03:38:31,310
No.

2197
03:38:31,950 --> 03:38:33,010
Not disagreeing.

2198
03:38:34,510 --> 03:38:36,270
It's coming out, it's coming out everybody's.

2199
03:38:37,310 --> 03:38:42,350
That gets complicated when you start talking about like generations siding with the load,

2200
03:38:42,470 --> 03:38:47,650
like the data center and the generation and how it would actually interconnect to our

2201
03:38:47,650 --> 03:38:48,030
grid.

2202
03:38:48,030 --> 03:38:52,970
So, if you're talking about that scale of generation, you have to have an interconnection point

2203
03:38:52,970 --> 03:39:01,070
and our, there are limitations within our service territory to

2204
03:39:07,660 --> 03:39:08,820
have a way to interconnection.

2205
03:39:14,560 --> 03:39:25,460
You still have a 25K maximum, so for EMS Station 1, that's our next update, our new building

2206
03:39:25,460 --> 03:39:29,960
there. Jeff, what was the total solar that we put on?

2207
03:39:32,410 --> 03:39:33,950
And that's the maximum we can put

2208
03:39:33,950 --> 03:39:35,850
back into your system for net metering.

2209
03:39:36,150 --> 03:39:37,150
For net, okay.

2210
03:39:37,830 --> 03:39:41,750
You can do larger, but it requires an interconnection.

2211
03:39:48,660 --> 03:39:54,460
Please don't, and please tell me you didn't turn that grant program back on after we missed the

2212
03:39:54,460 --> 03:39:54,760
window.

2213
03:39:55,460 --> 03:39:59,700
We do not have a grant program turned back on, but you can have larger, they aren't met and

2214
03:40:01,360 --> 03:40:01,840
We

2215
03:40:03,860 --> 03:40:15,700
were hoping that you guys would, you know, entertain a grant for us like you did Frazier Valley rack. Any request for that, we need to go through our board.

2216
03:40:21,750 --> 03:40:27,450
Obviously, you were told the grant. There is no program and we can't. It's not a program. She said, don't ask me.

2217
03:40:30,210 --> 03:40:33,570
There's still a chance. Okay. All right.

2218
03:40:42,390 --> 03:40:48,930
So the next topic we have under other is data centers I think you know like like we've

2219
03:40:48,930 --> 03:40:52,170
got up on the slide we don't have any current requests for data centers there have been

2220
03:40:52,170 --> 03:40:58,050
some in the past like years back but we haven't had any tire kickers or anything like that

2221
03:40:58,050 --> 03:41:02,850
in this area we've actually had quite a few reporters reach out and ask me over the past

2222
03:41:02,850 --> 03:41:08,170
couple of years about what's going on in our two counties and we really haven't. Not to say

2223
03:41:08,170 --> 03:41:14,770
that they won't come, but we haven't been getting those requests. To a point that Eric made earlier,

2224
03:41:14,930 --> 03:41:19,090
if they do come, if we do have those types of requests, we will deal with it just like we would any

2225
03:41:19,090 --> 03:41:27,650
other type of request for service. And it to be very close to both paces, if they need an action,

2226
03:41:27,650 --> 03:41:34,410
If they need power from us, if any upgrade system grades are necessary to get that level of power to them, they would.

2227
03:41:40,040 --> 03:41:41,600
That answer the question.

2228
03:41:42,920 --> 03:41:43,400
Addisoners.

2229
03:41:45,470 --> 03:41:48,010
I think just re iterating the.

2230
03:41:49,190 --> 03:41:54,010
Make sure there's a seat at the table if there is a request for coming in because there's a lot of implications.

2231
03:41:54,930 --> 03:41:56,770
Power for sure, but also water.

2232
03:41:57,430 --> 03:41:57,930
Is it big?

2233
03:42:00,920 --> 03:42:01,400
Absolutely.

2234
03:42:01,400 --> 03:42:08,860
If we end up with any of that same series as of right now, we don't have anything.

2235
03:42:10,920 --> 03:42:19,760
There's talk that some of the there is some data centers in your service area in North Park that are creating their own power with flare gas.

2236
03:42:19,940 --> 03:42:24,800
I don't know how that works with you guys, but they currently you're not using the

2237
03:42:45,980 --> 03:42:47,380
data centers that are getting placed.

2238
03:42:48,480 --> 03:42:53,520
No, probably a different type, but still doing some information processing on a smaller

2239
03:42:53,520 --> 03:42:53,900
scale.

2240
03:42:54,220 --> 03:42:54,560
That is correct.

2241
03:42:54,560 --> 03:42:54,700
That's right.

2242
03:42:55,120 --> 03:42:55,680
Smaller scale.

2243
03:42:55,960 --> 03:42:58,240
They're using flare gas to generate their own power.

2244
03:42:58,960 --> 03:42:59,460
That's correct.

2245
03:42:59,460 --> 03:43:00,880
Probably aren't connected to you guys at all.

2246
03:43:01,020 --> 03:43:01,920
That's how I understand it.

2247
03:43:01,940 --> 03:43:02,340
That's correct.

2248
03:43:02,940 --> 03:43:03,060
Yes.

2249
03:43:03,640 --> 03:43:03,860
Yes.

2250
03:43:04,200 --> 03:43:07,000
It seems up to a satellite or something to go down to your phone.

2251
03:43:07,000 --> 03:43:11,860
That's how I understand it as well, but it is not like the giant mass of data centers

2252
03:43:11,860 --> 03:43:12,520
that we use.

2253
03:43:12,520 --> 03:43:14,300
Like Google uses or whatever.

2254
03:43:14,300 --> 03:43:19,420
Yeah, and that's the talk in nation Colorado that and they like rural areas

2255
03:43:19,420 --> 03:43:26,320
I think because they generate a ton of heat and if and rural areas have some more wind and some of that cooling helps because of that wind in

2256
03:43:26,320 --> 03:43:33,580
Cities even though it's closer to the power and less transmission lines, but the trade off is it's a little bit easier to go

2257
03:43:33,580 --> 03:43:36,920
them. I think transmission will be one of them

2258
03:43:40,570 --> 03:43:45,710
would take a massive amount of transmission line to get power unless they did it on

2259
03:43:45,710 --> 03:43:47,650
inside, I guess, with a nuclear reactor.

2260
03:43:51,460 --> 03:43:54,760
Typically, look for our

2261
03:44:00,710 --> 03:44:03,750
area just geographically is going to be a

2262
03:44:07,940 --> 03:44:08,400
capture.

2263
03:44:08,780 --> 03:44:10,180
And so I don't know if

2264
03:44:14,370 --> 03:44:17,870
we're hanging through first in the country talking

2265
03:44:22,350 --> 03:44:23,470
just like we're seeing.

2266
03:44:51,250 --> 03:44:52,470
A couple more things.

2267
03:44:53,310 --> 03:44:55,550
I feel like we've kind of covered our geo.

2268
03:44:56,030 --> 03:44:57,550
So I'm going to skip that one.

2269
03:44:57,550 --> 03:44:59,930
It is in one question like that it says this will be a

2270
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,940
Is that significant cost driver? Is that just like, is there a cost goes up, your cost goes up? It's not like they're going to drive your cost up, they're just going to impact your price. But it's not going to drive. It's not. Today, you're not expecting it to grow up. The RTO SPP, which you guys have heard about, SPP goes into effect actually April 1st, so we're now under the SPP RTO. They have resource adequacy requirements.

2271
03:45:29,940 --> 03:45:35,100
I'm going to call it resource adequacies, actually planning reserve margins, but resource

2272
03:45:35,100 --> 03:45:37,120
adequacy is what most people think of it as.

2273
03:45:37,400 --> 03:45:43,600
They go into effect the first season that it will really impact mountain parks is likely

2274
03:45:43,600 --> 03:45:47,460
going to be next winter, so winter of 2027.

2275
03:45:48,200 --> 03:45:54,200
We're already starting to work on that because the cost implications of planning reserve margins

2276
03:45:54,200 --> 03:45:55,060
could be significant.

2277
03:45:55,060 --> 03:46:01,640
And in reserve margins, they put into place or that they've filed with FERC or 40% requirements

2278
03:46:01,640 --> 03:46:04,220
in the winter and 20% requirements.

2279
03:46:06,830 --> 03:46:14,220
100, you've got to buy 140 if you use summary, you've got to buy 120 in the winter.

2280
03:46:14,900 --> 03:46:16,840
That gap in the winter is pretty,

2281
03:46:19,200 --> 03:46:22,520
that's going to drive cost, that's a transition.

2282
03:46:23,900 --> 03:46:26,080
Yes, Lee, how much is it presented?

2283
03:46:26,900 --> 03:46:28,960
I'd hate to even throw numbers at it,

2284
03:46:30,120 --> 03:46:34,680
or to find exactly what that product is going to look like,

2285
03:46:34,800 --> 03:46:35,940
how we're going to purchase that product.

2286
03:46:36,340 --> 03:46:37,380
That's one of those things that I said,

2287
03:46:37,480 --> 03:46:38,840
maybe that's a battery.

2288
03:46:39,060 --> 03:46:41,480
Maybe that's us owning batteries to meet that capacity.

2289
03:46:41,940 --> 03:46:43,980
So if we own batteries and you need to put them on our system,

2290
03:46:44,420 --> 03:46:47,080
you will have to be coming and talking to you guys about that moratorium.

2291
03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:49,940
But we don't know exactly how we're going to meet it.

2292
03:46:50,020 --> 03:46:51,260
We've got some time to figure it out.

2293
03:46:52,120 --> 03:46:54,080
So I hate to throw any costs out there right now,

2294
03:46:54,080 --> 03:46:55,620
but we do know what will do I cost.

2295
03:46:56,080 --> 03:46:56,460
It will be.

2296
03:46:59,940 --> 03:47:03,160
They're requiring you to buy stuff you're not going to use.

2297
03:47:04,860 --> 03:47:06,060
Just to have it available.

2298
03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:09,740
Across the entire SAP footprint, yes sir.

2299
03:47:12,180 --> 03:47:16,180
Like buying a lifesaving ring, you hope you never use it, but you have to have it, right?

2300
03:47:19,060 --> 03:47:21,320
Everybody within the SPP East,

2301
03:47:25,220 --> 03:47:26,640
full footprint, we're all required to do that.

2302
03:47:26,800 --> 03:47:31,500
And if you don't have those contingencies there, financial penalties associated.

2303
03:47:31,500 --> 03:47:32,280
So,

2304
03:47:34,340 --> 03:47:38,580
hey, to keep carrying this on, but we have great questions, I hope.

2305
03:47:39,620 --> 03:47:41,440
We're here as long as you guys are missing.

2306
03:47:41,440 --> 03:47:43,720
A couple of things come to mind.

2307
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:46,940
One is, you talked about transmission lines and how hard it would be to get.

2308
03:47:47,360 --> 03:47:49,760
Well, we have the Western area of power, right?

2309
03:47:50,140 --> 03:47:51,640
That's not part of your system.

2310
03:47:52,540 --> 03:47:56,040
They are one of our transmission providers, so we've got to provide, right?

2311
03:47:56,480 --> 03:48:00,960
But somebody could, if they could cite something close to that transmission line,

2312
03:48:00,960 --> 03:48:02,600
that would be not

2313
03:48:05,540 --> 03:48:10,960
that much capacity in those. Okay. That's a good thing to know. The other

2314
03:48:10,960 --> 03:48:16,100
thing is, where does that power come from? Doesn't it come from Glen Canyon Dam?

2315
03:48:18,520 --> 03:48:24,060
Well, contractually, all of our power that we are getting from our WAPA transmission and our

2316
03:48:24,060 --> 03:48:30,680
tri-state transmission contractually comes from Guzman. So now, which electrons are on it? I don't

2317
03:48:30,680 --> 03:48:31,460
No, actually.

2318
03:48:32,380 --> 03:48:33,200
Hard to see.

2319
03:48:33,360 --> 03:48:43,980
So I'm just here at where I was going with that, is assuming that that reaches a point where it no longer can generate power, or it's significantly degraded from historical.

2320
03:48:44,760 --> 03:48:46,300
Is that going to have an impact on you all?

2321
03:48:47,140 --> 03:48:47,920
Or don't you know?

2322
03:48:48,280 --> 03:48:57,200
That's what, I mean, so that's what RTOs and NERK and all these big federal agencies that manage the grid and all of the regional pieces.

2323
03:48:57,200 --> 03:49:01,560
That's what they manage, they ensure that if one resource goes down that there are other

2324
03:49:01,560 --> 03:49:04,040
resources that ensure that the grid continues to run.

2325
03:49:04,980 --> 03:49:09,560
So I can't speak to what will happen if one of WAPA's resources no longer functions,

2326
03:49:09,760 --> 03:49:15,660
what will come up in its place to ensure that the power continues to flow, but yeah, that's

2327
03:49:15,660 --> 03:49:19,400
a good question.

2328
03:49:19,640 --> 03:49:23,080
I think we have a lot of concerns about that across the nation right now and that's probably

2329
03:49:23,080 --> 03:49:23,520
what we see.

2330
03:49:23,520 --> 03:49:30,380
And we've talked about rates, and we've talked about operational stuff.

2331
03:49:30,580 --> 03:49:33,060
I just want to say a couple of things real quickly.

2332
03:49:33,220 --> 03:49:37,960
One, over the last few years, it was probably 15 years ago.

2333
03:49:38,100 --> 03:49:45,220
They replaced the conductors and many of the poles that come up to where our branches

2334
03:49:45,220 --> 03:49:46,980
and we are at the end of the line.

2335
03:49:47,940 --> 03:49:53,020
So that there has been ongoing improvement, and that's been great.

2336
03:49:53,020 --> 03:49:59,980
You know, they're not a huge change in the load, but they decided for a future. That's something that needs...

2337
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:29,400
We need to happen. So that's been good. And we've had a very positive relationship with all of your service employees, all your linemen, right? If there's an issue, they've been great to work with because we've lost some of the old timers that knew where every nail was and every cut off and all those sorts of things. So we've been very easy to work with those. The other thing I would say is in general,

2338
03:50:29,400 --> 03:50:31,520
Well, everybody gets frustrated when they lose their power.

2339
03:50:32,380 --> 03:50:36,680
But I don't know how many people I have that come to our ranch from across the country

2340
03:50:36,680 --> 03:50:37,900
that say, wow, what are you doing?

2341
03:50:37,980 --> 03:50:41,280
The power goes out and I said, we wait about an hour and it comes back on.

2342
03:50:42,540 --> 03:50:46,660
And they're jaw drops and some of that is because we don't have hurricanes and we don't have

2343
03:50:46,660 --> 03:50:52,420
earthquakes and some of those kinds of catastrophic natural sorts of events.

2344
03:50:52,620 --> 03:50:54,500
We do have snow and we have depth trees.

2345
03:50:54,500 --> 03:51:03,280
But your crew has been really remarkable at keeping all that stuff functional, day in and day out.

2346
03:51:03,500 --> 03:51:06,040
And when we have a problem, they're quick to respond on it.

2347
03:51:06,260 --> 03:51:14,420
And you work pretty hard at being able to communicate the people where outages are and how all that's happening.

2348
03:51:14,700 --> 03:51:17,780
So just say thanks, kudos to y'all for doing that.

2349
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:20,720
We really appreciate that and we'll pass that on to the crews.

2350
03:51:26,420 --> 03:51:30,360
You guys have a good job communicating when it's coming back on, like, hey, power's out,

2351
03:51:30,520 --> 03:51:31,220
it's back on.

2352
03:51:31,440 --> 03:51:32,440
That's really helpful, too.

2353
03:51:32,560 --> 03:51:33,840
You're not just growing around blind.

2354
03:51:34,660 --> 03:51:36,500
One of our other utilities does not do that.

2355
03:51:37,560 --> 03:51:37,940
We try.

2356
03:51:38,340 --> 03:51:38,560
We try.

2357
03:51:39,760 --> 03:51:43,900
And you guys can stop us if we're out of time, but we real quickly wanted to talk on wildfire

2358
03:51:43,900 --> 03:51:50,200
mitigation because we have implemented the last couple of years, some very strict wildfire

2359
03:51:50,200 --> 03:51:54,480
protection settings on our equipment to where, you know, when the fire settings are high,

2360
03:51:54,680 --> 03:51:59,020
you know, when we're in fire danger, when we're under red flag warnings, we are setting

2361
03:51:59,020 --> 03:52:03,240
our sensitivities very high. So we have more outages, right? Everybody's experiencing

2362
03:52:03,240 --> 03:52:07,240
more outages. We hear complaints about more outages. Our members hate outages. No one likes

2363
03:52:07,240 --> 03:52:13,280
their power to be out, but it is our best way to prevent wildfires, to prevent us from

2364
03:52:13,280 --> 03:52:18,140
causing one, or to prevent us from spreading one. So we are continuing those settings. This

2365
03:52:18,140 --> 03:52:24,860
This year is gearing out to be a particularly dry season and a very early wildfire season.

2366
03:52:25,040 --> 03:52:29,780
As you probably have already seen or heard or know, we've already had some of our wildfire

2367
03:52:29,780 --> 03:52:31,460
settings on more than once.

2368
03:52:31,460 --> 03:52:33,200
I think we were on three days now that we've done that.

2369
03:52:34,300 --> 03:52:39,260
So as you hear complaints, as you hear comments, concerns throughout the community about the

2370
03:52:39,260 --> 03:52:41,780
outages, yes, we are having increased outages.

2371
03:52:42,100 --> 03:52:44,280
It is due to these more sensitive settings.

2372
03:52:44,280 --> 03:52:53,600
We are going to continue to do that to protect our members, to protect, you know, our homes and our businesses and our land and our system.

2373
03:52:54,240 --> 03:53:01,540
So that's just want you guys to be aware of that, you know, the higher sensitivity and that that's our top priority as the safety of our communities.

2374
03:53:02,660 --> 03:53:08,500
And I know you talked about trying to get the word out. I have received multiple notices about this.

2375
03:53:09,460 --> 03:53:18,500
We tried to get the word out last year and we did our newsletter and different things but we did get a lot of feedback from members saying why is the power out so often because they didn't get the word.

2376
03:53:18,860 --> 03:53:23,760
So we're like we're gonna really ramp it up this year, we're gonna send emails and do everything we can to make sure.

2377
03:53:23,880 --> 03:53:28,700
So I'm glad that and we've gotten positive feedback from members saying thank you for protecting our community.

2378
03:53:28,700 --> 03:53:38,660
And we're doing those higher settings instead of doing what somehow we used to where they just shut it off, and then you hear a lot, you know, businesses impact and families impacted.

2379
03:53:40,460 --> 03:53:41,320
Power shut off.

2380
03:53:41,640 --> 03:53:44,820
Been really tough times on the west side of the metro area.

2381
03:53:45,060 --> 03:53:45,920
And we don't have to go there.

2382
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:49,580
And we're just making sure if a tree limb hits our wire and the power cuts off.

2383
03:53:50,300 --> 03:53:51,480
We are trying to balance that.

2384
03:53:51,560 --> 03:53:53,560
We do understand that outages are hard for people.

2385
03:53:53,740 --> 03:53:54,540
We don't like outages.

2386
03:53:54,540 --> 03:53:59,760
our goals always have it on but you know we also understand the risk of welfare and we're trying to

2387
03:53:59,760 --> 03:54:00,720
balance those two.

2388
03:54:03,290 --> 03:54:08,810
We spent years of my career you know building the system civil lights never

2389
03:54:08,810 --> 03:54:14,230
go off and these settings are designed so it goes off and so that is why

2390
03:54:21,040 --> 03:54:22,460
we're doing these settings

2391
03:54:22,460 --> 03:54:23,680
and we have.

2392
03:54:32,380 --> 03:54:37,180
Well the last couple first off we have our annual meeting coming up it's May 2nd so

2393
03:54:37,180 --> 03:54:41,520
we'd encourage you all to attend. Hopefully you can. It will be at the middle

2394
03:54:41,520 --> 03:54:45,040
park high school 8 a.m. free breakfast. It's always a great breakfast. We have

2395
03:54:45,040 --> 03:54:49,240
family activities, all kinds of good stuff. We'd love for you guys to go there. The

2396
03:54:49,240 --> 03:54:54,280
topic, the primary topic of the annual meeting that we will be going over in

2397
03:54:54,280 --> 03:54:59,940
great detail is rates. So you guys aren't the only one asking about rates. We will

2398
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:28,460
We're talking about rates and what goes into rate setting and- I bet you're also going to be talking about your one shot and your hotline tag as well. Probably a little bit. Probably a little bit. Yes, we will. Yes, have great prizes. We do have good prizes. Yes, give me great prizes. And we get complaints about the prizes because people say stop buying prizes, give, you know, make our rates lower. The prizes are almost all donated by sponsors. So if you guys hear people complaining about our prizes, we do get mostly-

2399
03:55:29,480 --> 03:55:31,720
I have to go because my daughter got one of your scholarships.

2400
03:55:31,720 --> 03:55:32,480
Thank you very much.

2401
03:55:32,580 --> 03:55:33,140
I went to the meeting.

2402
03:55:33,180 --> 03:55:34,220
I was like, God, they're humanoid.

2403
03:55:34,360 --> 03:55:34,600
Correct.

2404
03:55:34,780 --> 03:55:34,940
Yes.

2405
03:55:37,430 --> 03:55:39,570
And then we do also always encourage you guys.

2406
03:55:39,770 --> 03:55:41,570
Our board meetings are open to the public.

2407
03:55:41,570 --> 03:55:43,350
They are the second, Thursday of every month.

2408
03:55:44,130 --> 03:55:47,010
I think, you know, that's changed like once in the three years I've been here.

2409
03:55:47,370 --> 03:55:52,310
We do have two meetings a year that we try to travel to are, you know, further out communities.

2410
03:55:52,310 --> 03:55:57,110
So in August, we hold our meeting in Kremlin and in September, we hold it in Walden.

2411
03:55:57,110 --> 03:56:00,810
And other than that, we are at the Grand B office, second Thursday of each month.

2412
03:56:01,050 --> 03:56:01,510
No prizes.

2413
03:56:01,970 --> 03:56:02,530
No prizes.

2414
03:56:04,330 --> 03:56:05,210
No prizes.

2415
03:56:05,210 --> 03:56:05,750
Hey, Streets.

2416
03:56:05,830 --> 03:56:07,270
You don't want them too well, it's here.

2417
03:56:07,670 --> 03:56:07,730
Yeah.

2418
03:56:08,230 --> 03:56:09,750
So kind of just our overall takeaways.

2419
03:56:10,290 --> 03:56:15,910
You know, we operate in a lean and a responsible way wherever we can.

2420
03:56:16,430 --> 03:56:23,050
And despite our rate pressure, we do continue best in our system to try to keep it safe and reliable for everybody.

2421
03:56:23,050 --> 03:56:26,350
and we want to be a good partner so reach out to us whenever.

2422
03:56:31,680 --> 03:56:37,000
I appreciate you guys having us and I hope that goes intended.

2423
03:56:38,180 --> 03:56:39,680
This is for us to be educated.

2424
03:56:39,880 --> 03:56:42,820
So when people talk to us, we don't just shrug and say,

2425
03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:47,040
all these guys, you know, like so we can actually know a little bit better

2426
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:48,460
and know better what you guys do.

2427
03:56:49,960 --> 03:56:50,340
Station.

2428
03:56:50,600 --> 03:56:51,620
No, we didn't take it that way.

2429
03:56:51,620 --> 03:56:52,180
We appreciate it.

2430
03:56:52,380 --> 03:56:53,440
We really appreciate it.

2431
03:56:53,440 --> 03:57:00,300
Yeah, we know we should do this more often, but you know everybody schedules get rolling and then two years passes, right?

2432
03:57:02,540 --> 03:57:04,440
Thanks, they guys appreciate

2433
03:57:05,560 --> 03:57:06,600
Oh, and

2434
03:57:17,670 --> 03:57:19,170
you just start calling Ryan's or because

2435
03:57:35,970 --> 03:57:37,010
Good didn't

2436
03:57:37,010 --> 03:57:42,290
All right, no, Bob, right back time. Yeah, no, haven't mastered that one yet

2437
03:57:43,450 --> 03:57:46,890
Good afternoon, commissioners, Jeff Hickam, Grand County Project Manager.

2438
03:57:48,030 --> 03:57:53,350
I'm here today to give you an update on the new EMS station and

2439
03:57:53,350 --> 03:57:56,170
to celebrate the one year mark since we've brought ground on it.

2440
03:57:58,610 --> 03:58:02,590
We are approximately 60% complete with the building now.

2441
03:58:04,810 --> 03:58:07,710
Please report that the project is currently under budget and

2442
03:58:07,710 --> 03:58:10,590
tracking approximately a month ahead of schedule.

2443
03:58:10,590 --> 03:58:18,250
So my estimate of the finish date is sometime in November of 26.

2444
03:58:18,810 --> 03:58:22,190
Big Valley has said anywhere from September to November.

2445
03:58:23,070 --> 03:58:25,350
So we're writing that window.

2446
03:58:28,110 --> 03:58:34,810
Our recent accomplishments at the building are all of the exterior and interior framing are complete.

2447
03:58:35,970 --> 03:58:37,670
All of the insulation is complete.

2448
03:58:38,170 --> 03:58:40,230
the solar panels have been installed.

2449
03:58:42,010 --> 03:58:47,930
The standing seam metal roofing is about 90% complete at this point and they continue

2450
03:58:47,930 --> 03:58:49,210
to work on that as they're able.

2451
03:58:51,150 --> 03:58:56,050
Right now we have construction water service in the building so that's a good thing and

2452
03:58:56,050 --> 03:59:01,270
I've received a call shortly before it came up here that our water meter is in and

2453
03:59:01,270 --> 03:59:03,770
grandby we just have to pay for it and have them install it.

2454
03:59:07,830 --> 03:59:10,310
Rough in inspections for the admin area.

2455
03:59:10,310 --> 03:59:15,610
the electrical and plumbing have occurred and they've both been passed.

2456
03:59:18,030 --> 03:59:23,390
The drywall hanging and finishing is 90 to 95% complete currently.

2457
03:59:24,370 --> 03:59:29,570
To the point that they're starting to prime walls and actually put the first coat of paint on walls.

2458
03:59:32,910 --> 03:59:39,790
So it's actually since I wrote this, it's continued into the admin area beyond just the living quarters.

2459
03:59:39,790 --> 03:59:42,470
So we continue to make progress daily.

2460
03:59:43,050 --> 03:59:49,470
They've also poured all of the light pole bases in the parking lot and installed five of the six garage doors.

2461
03:59:49,950 --> 03:59:53,650
We're currently waiting on the sixth one to show up on

2462
03:59:55,950 --> 03:59:57,330
going and upcoming work.

2463
03:59:57,670 --> 03:59:59,970
We have the sprinkler systems and

2464
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,700
In the apparatus bay, the apparatus bay electrical rough in, that should be done by end of month.

2465
04:00:09,110 --> 04:00:15,810
Softon installation has begun. Sighting will follow in late April, early May,

2466
04:00:18,060 --> 04:00:28,600
and we are currently working on all plans for sidewalks, asphalt, heated garage entry aprons for the apparatus bay.

2467
04:00:30,280 --> 04:00:38,360
One thing that I did want to talk to you about today was the landscaping on the exterior of the building.

2468
04:00:38,680 --> 04:00:52,520
I've been in contact with Grammy Ranch about landscaping and I received a call yesterday afternoon approving my request to consider postponing the installation of all the landscaping due to the dry weather.

2469
04:00:53,180 --> 04:00:57,960
So, they're going to draft up a letter and send it to me, just documenting that they agree to that.

2470
04:00:59,500 --> 04:01:01,640
That's your last bullet point on the last page.

2471
04:01:02,500 --> 04:01:03,120
I'm sorry?

2472
04:01:03,460 --> 04:01:06,100
That's your last bullet point on the last page, right?

2473
04:01:06,580 --> 04:01:07,040
Sure is.

2474
04:01:07,200 --> 04:01:11,900
And I realize that you have to follow the HOA as it were, but, you know,

2475
04:01:13,240 --> 04:01:18,640
I think as we push for zero escaping and minimal water usage and all that kind of stuff,

2476
04:01:18,640 --> 04:01:22,640
I would ask you to ask that H.O.A.

2477
04:01:22,780 --> 04:01:26,600
Like, we want the one-have sprinkled landscape.

2478
04:01:26,640 --> 04:01:28,920
We want to have something to do.

2479
04:01:28,920 --> 04:01:29,640
And we don't.

2480
04:01:29,720 --> 04:01:30,580
And survive locally.

2481
04:01:30,740 --> 04:01:31,120
Yeah, we do.

2482
04:01:31,220 --> 04:01:31,480
We don't.

2483
04:01:31,580 --> 04:01:33,320
We have a very minimal landscape plan,

2484
04:01:33,320 --> 04:01:34,140
but even putting...

2485
04:01:34,140 --> 04:01:35,780
But establishing it is a different matter.

2486
04:01:35,860 --> 04:01:40,080
Stablishing that in this summer is going to be problematic.

2487
04:01:40,080 --> 04:01:44,260
I think at a minimum, we want to get that native revenge done

2488
04:01:44,260 --> 04:01:47,200
and come back with, you know,

2489
04:01:47,200 --> 04:01:55,440
the investment of some of that more mature type land trees and stuff that take water.

2490
04:01:59,500 --> 04:02:03,820
And everything that is planned in the landscaping is native vegetation.

2491
04:02:04,380 --> 04:02:08,580
So once it's established, it shouldn't require any watering.

2492
04:02:11,120 --> 04:02:18,060
So onto the financial overview, the project is in a strong financial position.

2493
04:02:18,060 --> 04:02:22,840
We've used less than 6% of the construction contingency to date.

2494
04:02:25,260 --> 04:02:31,720
As you can see, the total construction budget started at $25,903,603.

2495
04:02:32,760 --> 04:02:38,060
That included a 1.837 contingency amount.

2496
04:02:38,660 --> 04:02:46,340
To date, we've paid big valley, $13,445,327,70.

2497
04:02:46,340 --> 04:02:58,000
since used $106,386.72 of that contingency, which works out to about 5.8%.

2498
04:03:00,080 --> 04:03:17,040
Recently, we have saved $80,452.66 by downsizing some of the electrical switch gear that was originally designed to be expanded in the future.

2499
04:03:17,040 --> 04:03:26,960
here. Primarily this is for our solar system on the roof. We downsize because we don't

2500
04:03:26,960 --> 04:03:34,820
have room to add additional batteries for backup. If we expand that photovoltaic system,

2501
04:03:35,120 --> 04:03:40,700
we cannot sell back to mountain parks. And we were going to be spending about $10,000

2502
04:03:40,700 --> 04:03:50,200
for equipment that wasn't going to be used until we decided to reinvest in batteries and other systems.

2503
04:03:50,860 --> 04:03:57,780
To go along with that, we would have had to reconfigure our sprinkler system to accommodate additional batteries.

2504
04:03:59,820 --> 04:04:05,200
Also, we eliminated some of the window canopies on the exterior of the building.

2505
04:04:05,200 --> 04:04:12,180
And those were added to the design just to create shade over the windows.

2506
04:04:12,800 --> 04:04:15,060
For the $70,000, we'll save.

2507
04:04:15,140 --> 04:04:18,880
I think we can buy a lot of window treatments for the interior of the building.

2508
04:04:20,600 --> 04:04:26,060
So, simplifies the exterior, reduces maintenance, and lowers your costs.

2509
04:04:27,000 --> 04:04:29,900
But we also have, but we kept the main one on the southeast.

2510
04:04:30,440 --> 04:04:30,580
Correct.

2511
04:04:30,760 --> 04:04:32,420
Or I'm sorry, the southwest part of the building.

2512
04:04:32,420 --> 04:04:35,580
some of those were on the north side of the building.

2513
04:04:35,800 --> 04:04:40,040
We were looking at judicial, we don't have them on the north side of the building.

2514
04:04:40,460 --> 04:04:47,080
There's an overhang to just where we could reduce some costs.

2515
04:04:47,820 --> 04:04:52,680
And we continue to try to look for ways to reduce costs at every opportunity.

2516
04:04:52,980 --> 04:04:54,980
So that's why I included that.

2517
04:04:55,100 --> 04:04:59,980
I just wanted it to be known that we are continuing to try to reduce costs on this bill.

2518
04:05:02,130 --> 04:05:31,210
But I guess with that note of saving $80,000, we've had another $37,000 in change orders as well. So we've had reductions, and we've had increases. I mean, there's 22 change orders. So far, you guys have approved the ones that have been over 100,000. I'm approving them that are below 100,000. They're all going through legal. But yeah.

2519
04:05:31,210 --> 04:05:40,330
There's just been various things that, I mean, two of those 22 were deductive change orders though, so it goes both ways.

2520
04:05:40,750 --> 04:05:49,350
But I think it's great to see you guys holding the contingency, because it's later you go, the more that starts getting to know.

2521
04:05:49,430 --> 04:05:56,000
Absolutely, it's good to see that it's in a very good position right now.

2522
04:05:56,000 --> 04:06:06,900
And you know, going forward, I've worked really hard to try and keep the finishes, plumbing finishes, electrical finishes, all of that kind of stuff.

2523
04:06:09,340 --> 04:06:14,540
We're not going high end with anything, we're going kind of a commercial builders grade.

2524
04:06:15,280 --> 04:06:21,500
If in the future we find ourselves in the position that we need to replace it and we have the funds available, we can upgrade at that point.

2525
04:06:21,500 --> 04:06:26,900
but at this point, we need to be functional, and that's what we're working towards.

2526
04:06:29,160 --> 04:06:37,320
As an example, we're buying our own appliances to eliminate big valleys mark up on appliances.

2527
04:06:37,820 --> 04:06:39,020
Same thing with ceiling fans.

2528
04:06:40,640 --> 04:06:42,140
Anyway, we can cut costs.

2529
04:06:42,400 --> 04:06:43,140
We're working on it.

2530
04:06:46,200 --> 04:06:48,360
So on to the grant funding status.

2531
04:06:48,360 --> 04:06:50,860
Yes, we'll invite you to the installation day.

2532
04:06:51,820 --> 04:06:59,520
We take an attract to go pick the stuff up and unloading appliances and installing appliances.

2533
04:07:02,660 --> 04:07:06,460
Yep, all hands on deck for that day.

2534
04:07:07,740 --> 04:07:19,080
So onto the grant funding, the dollar grant we were initially awarded $1,842,870 to date.

2535
04:07:19,080 --> 04:07:32,860
We've received 945,356 in 61 cents, leaving us a remaining balance of $897,513 in 39 cents.

2536
04:07:33,940 --> 04:07:39,980
We do have a pending reimbursement of about $245,000 in their system.

2537
04:07:42,810 --> 04:07:48,430
The connected care grant, we were originally awarded $500,000.

2538
04:07:48,430 --> 04:07:53,290
I apologize, I had a typo on the received data line.

2539
04:07:54,390 --> 04:08:02,730
We have received $250,000 and Chief Wingate tells me they are meeting this afternoon and

2540
04:08:02,730 --> 04:08:06,290
he's expecting to have another $125,000 released.

2541
04:08:07,830 --> 04:08:14,750
That money is all earmarked for audiovisual and IT expenses for the building.

2542
04:08:18,100 --> 04:08:28,480
So total grant number is $2,342,870 that were awarded to date.

2543
04:08:28,680 --> 04:08:37,100
We've received a little over 1.2 million towards those grants.

2544
04:08:37,100 --> 04:08:43,100
That's the only other grant that we have on top of this is the free board, more in grant.

2545
04:08:43,940 --> 04:08:45,820
And that was, what was that amount?

2546
04:08:47,900 --> 04:08:56,080
87, $87,000, which is going to pay for FFE furniture, fixtures equipment.

2547
04:08:59,860 --> 04:09:02,920
We need to buy stainless steel that has a mullion in it.

2548
04:09:02,920 --> 04:09:04,260
Yes, ma'am.

2549
04:09:04,260 --> 04:09:24,040
I really appreciate this whole overview, it's very helpful and I especially like the reminders on some of these things in the next section in terms of some of the features and special things we're doing and why we're doing those are great.

2550
04:09:24,780 --> 04:09:27,680
One question I had is I was looking at the grant funding.

2551
04:09:27,680 --> 04:09:41,580
We were granted money from the feds, and we decided it was going to cost more to use that grant money than what was the $1 amount on that initial grant?

2552
04:09:41,600 --> 04:09:42,300
Was it two million?

2553
04:09:43,760 --> 04:09:44,320
Three.

2554
04:09:44,760 --> 04:09:45,640
It was three million.

2555
04:09:46,160 --> 04:09:51,540
Yes, that was in the, that

2556
04:09:54,200 --> 04:09:56,920
was through Senator Bennett or the CDS.

2557
04:09:57,560 --> 04:09:59,860
that would have pushed the cost of the project.

2558
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:24,470
20% and well above the $3 million that we would have gotten. I was just trying to remember what that amount was. And also would have delayed the project another year. We would have had a stop construction as of all of the environmental clearances that we have had to dig on the site in addition.

2559
04:10:29,220 --> 04:10:30,340
Any more questions for me?

2560
04:10:32,820 --> 04:10:36,900
As I was sitting here listening to Mountain Parks, I had to thought that we could

2561
04:10:36,900 --> 04:10:40,280
maybe lease out some roof space for some more solar panels.

2562
04:10:42,100 --> 04:10:51,700
I mean, I was going to bring it up, but what was our cost just for a new service there at that location?

2563
04:10:53,040 --> 04:10:54,560
That's some of my memory on that one.

2564
04:10:55,060 --> 04:10:56,460
I wasn't in a quiz, did you?

2565
04:10:56,460 --> 04:11:01,760
No, but I want to say it was over $100,000 that we had to write a couple checks to mountain parks.

2566
04:11:02,060 --> 04:11:02,700
Yeah, absolutely.

2567
04:11:03,100 --> 04:11:04,140
Extremely expensive.

2568
04:11:04,140 --> 04:11:10,880
He doesn't surprise me, I mean we just talked about $60,000 for the Cremling airport.

2569
04:11:12,580 --> 04:11:14,200
That's how growth pays for itself.

2570
04:11:16,620 --> 04:11:17,760
All right, checks.

2571
04:11:21,140 --> 04:11:21,840
Jeff, thank you.

2572
04:11:21,900 --> 04:11:22,940
Filing back there, you're good.

2573
04:11:25,410 --> 04:11:31,210
I just want to thank Jeff for as much time that he puts into this project, we, you know,

2574
04:11:32,270 --> 04:11:42,190
the contractor asking, and he has caught so many things that would have been, would have slipped through the cracks and we would have never had known.

2575
04:11:44,390 --> 04:11:45,570
He is doing a great job.

2576
04:11:46,250 --> 04:11:46,770
Thank you.

2577
04:11:47,330 --> 04:11:50,430
I would say when I was on the school board, I was on the exact committee building the school.

2578
04:11:51,010 --> 04:11:51,510
Thank you, Chris.

2579
04:11:53,090 --> 04:11:53,810
It's tedious.

2580
04:11:54,330 --> 04:11:57,870
I mean, like, and they're great guys, but like, there's a lot of message you can catch.

2581
04:11:57,870 --> 04:11:58,910
So we like, you know, we

2582
04:12:00,590 --> 04:12:02,290
monitoring COVID and then started

2583
04:12:05,880 --> 04:12:07,160
absolutely. It is.

2584
04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:11,680
Asking one of us to do my pleasure.

2585
04:12:13,700 --> 04:12:15,460
All right. Thank you.

2586
04:12:16,760 --> 04:12:18,800
That being said is 1242.

2587
04:12:19,860 --> 04:12:21,120
A journey. The meeting.