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[0:00] One nation under God in individual liberty and justice for us.
[0:11] First up, we have a board. Yes.
[0:21] I had no questions or comments or additions or subtractions from March 24th.
[0:37] Motion to approve the amended and corrected minutes from March 24th as presented today. All those in favor? Aye. Well, we're talking about minutes.
[0:51] I think the purpose of the minutes is to reflect the business of the board, and particularly the business decisions made by the board and the discussions leading up to those decisions.
[1:07] Therefore, I would suggest that not
[1:15] necessary to include the general public comments as part of the minutes.
[1:22] It's up to us what we want in there, but I don't know that that would be necessary as part
[1:28] of the official minute record.
[1:31] I'm good either way.
[1:32] It's supposed to document the actions taken by the board, and as you said, the public
[1:36] comment does not document any actions taken by the board.
[1:39] And we don't respond to them.
[1:41] That people that are interested in them can listen in or listen to the recording later.
[1:45] Right.
[1:46] We
[1:56] have had requests from the public for better minutes because it's hard to listen to our
[2:01] are recording the way FTR does that recording.
[2:05] So with the help of IT, we are now recording the meetings and
[2:10] transcribing the meetings for the minutes.
[2:15] So I feel like the public likes to hear what the public are talking about here and
[2:23] the other people have requested that, so I'm just putting that in there for your information.
[2:30] Well, I would suggest it's something that we give consideration to.
[2:33] We don't need to make a decision.
[2:35] Yeah, I'm good enough.
[2:42] Hold on, Mr. Willby, the commissioners, you'll have an opportunity to talk more about that at 10.25 when we're talking about our migration with some other things.
[2:58] I'm going to make a stand up there.
[3:00] No. Next up, we have finance and approval of legal agreements.
[3:03] Good morning, Alina Bell, finance director, excuse me, this week's batch of vouchers totals $866,491 in 94 cents across 125 payments.
[3:17] Key items included in this batch are payments from the tourism board for monthly marketing services.
[3:23] in the amount of $103,242.53.
[3:29] We are making a payment to the DA's office in the amount of $70,617.42 for monthly operating expenses.
[3:40] We are paying Monk Park's electric $62,134 for site improvements at the Cremeling Airport.
[3:49] We're making a payment to Daniel's long Chevrolet.
[3:53] We're buying a new vehicle for
[3:55] Motorpool, in the amount of $35,822.
[4:00] And we are also making a yearly greater lease payment in the amount of $276,892,
[4:09] 74 cents to US bank or this is the 2023 greater lease payment.
[4:16] I recommend paying all,
[4:21] are there any questions?
[4:23] I did have some questions, but they were answered via email yesterday, so I'm fine with what we have.
[4:31] I'm good with that, I would entertain them.
[4:34] The move to approve vouchers and why are payments presented on Tuesday, April 7th, 2026 for payment on Wednesday, April 8th, 2026 for Grand County and the Department of Human Services and vouchers for the Grand County Housing Authority.
[4:48] All those in favor?
[4:51] Aye.
[4:51] Thank you.
[4:55] Next up we have general public comments.
[4:57] Each speaker is respectfully limited to three minutes.
[5:00] This is when addressing the board. Anyone wishing to speak via Zoom during any public comment portion of a meeting? Must show their legal name when they log in, raise their hand to be unmuted by the host in their turn, and indicate their county address when recognized. It is during a public hearing. Comments must pertain to the matter being then considered by the board. Commissioner and staff typically do not respond during public comment.
[5:23] Anyone in our audience?
[5:40] I do have a comment regarding those meeting minutes.
[5:46] What's done here, it's a public business, and a public should know what kind of business
[5:51] is going here, and part of the business is how decisions are done in order to make them
[5:57] better in the future, not just what is done.
[6:00] And for the last three years when the minutes changed and do not record the how decisions
[6:09] are made and the little bit detailed comments, there are there is a fuzzy recordings and
[6:14] there is no way to figure out what that business was about.
[6:18] What decisions was made, how they were made.
[6:21] And it makes a difference when you see in the minutes that the crowd of people scream on
[6:28] you here during their three minutes comments or if there was a silence and no one in the room.
[6:34] So I would like you to reconsider if you would do include the public comments not what people
[6:40] said but what was the topic about at least in the future meeting minutes because no one's going
[6:47] to go back to the recordings and try to find something in the recordings. Those minutes are really
[6:52] brief. Good overview of how government functions. And especially when you're doing public hearings
[7:00] like for the subdivisions, planning and stuff, there's a lot of time that public doesn't
[7:07] have a way to say into anything. That's preliminary, preliminary plans. I've proved
[7:13] the final plans. There's no way to say something. And the planning is the mess, especially
[7:19] Latest-D wildfile resiliency codes, that's a mess.
[7:23] You knew about it a year ago that it will be hard and you did nothing.
[7:28] For about a year, there could be already people working on the stuff that got somehow
[7:33] missed in the new adopted codes and that's the cost.
[7:37] And you know, whenever there are codes, there is always cost and benefit.
[7:42] And before you do that, it takes a time to analyze what's the cost and what's the benefit
[7:49] and is it going to work or not.
[7:52] That wasn't done.
[7:53] I'm going to scream on the Colorado Congress today, and the Grand County won't stay
[7:59] very good in my speech.
[8:00] Thank you.
[8:03] No?
[8:05] Anyone else?
[8:09] We have anyone online?
[8:22] I have an apology to make two weeks ago I spoke on the library and I specifically said
[8:31] because I truly thought that the commissioners were in charge of the budget and the employees
[8:37] at the library. And I was wrong. I realize there's a special district now that, and so I apologize
[8:47] for that, please forgive me. And you do appoint the board members of that, and I think it's a testimony
[8:57] to the importance of sticking to conservative principles and finding leaders who stick to conservative
[9:03] of principles because that seems to be a bit of a mess and I'll probably talk about
[9:08] the library a little bit more when I talk about issues that you don't directly control
[9:14] but you could influence strongly in the county for conservative principles.
[9:18] Today I want to talk about the Colorado Governmental Immunity Act, the conservative principles
[9:24] are fairness, accountability and private property.
[9:27] The Colorado Government Immunity Act is used by governments to damage or destroy people's
[9:33] property and then walk away with immunity. This is a direct attack on the conservative
[9:38] principles of fairness, government accountability, and the right to enjoy private property.
[9:44] Of all the issues that I've mentioned so far, this is the one that a conservative should
[9:50] look at and see as the most obviously wrong. Let me describe this real possibility. Not
[9:58] a cheap story but a real possibility.
[10:00] Approach up drivers distracted, swirves into oncoming traffic, and carides with another vehicle. We have a driver who is seriously injured, faces months in the hospital, incurs massive medical debt, loses his home and his family is torn apart. The county or whatever government it is says, sorry, we are immune. Why? The government needs the money more. This is not an unrealistic
[10:29] situation. It isn't really different than the other stories that I've heard about the use of the
[10:35] Governmental Community Act. This is the kind of situation that the Governmental Community Act
[10:40] creates. Did you know that the founding of our country was an objection to Governmental
[10:48] Community? Our founders rebelled against the British who destroyed or seized property and then
[10:55] ahead behind immunity, the founders called it tyranny. Much of the declaration of independence
[11:03] is an objection to British claims of immunity. Our conservative founders rejected it.
[11:11] Immunity is why the United States is here. It is our history. Of course, conservatism rejects
[11:18] claims of governmental immunity.
[11:23] Thank you, Mr. Davis.
[11:33] All right, moving on. We will go to administrative business.
[11:35] First up, we have departmental contracts and updates.
[11:38] First up, we have human services, the Grand County Board of Human Services.
[11:46] Actually, Grand County Board of County Commissioners, instead of the Board of Human Services.
[11:51] The word for using the commissioners.
[11:52] Correct.
[11:53] Fantastic, thank you.
[11:55] What you have, oh, the Rottenberg Director of Human Services, sorry about that.
[11:58] You have in front of you an amendment to the MOU with the Colorado Department of Early Childhood.
[12:06] And this is amendment number three.
[12:08] So, it's extending the contract that was originally signed in 2023, and this will extend it through June 30th of 2027, and it outlines how we run the Colorado Child Care Assistance Program.
[12:27] We ask for your signature on the contract extension.
[12:37] I move that we approve amendment number three to the memorandum of understanding between the Colorado Department of Early Childhood and the Grand County Department of Human Services as presented.
[12:51] All those in favor?
[12:52] Aye.
[12:54] Is that lucky sign?
[12:55] I haven't seen it yet.
[12:56] Okay.
[12:57] Yeah, I'll let you, I'll give you a heads up one, it may be a while, it's not going to be one of those ones that as soon as I let them know they'll send it to you.
[13:04] So I'll let you know.
[13:05] Just so many email or text, I hate this is coming signing because.
[13:07] Absolutely.
[13:08] We never know what they're fishing, you know, those IT guys are always keeping up with us.
[13:12] Yeah, and they just send a recent one about DocuScience.
[13:15] We do get fake DocuScience at times.
[13:17] Right, yeah.
[13:18] So again, every time you're going to get one, I will let you know ahead of time.
[13:23] Okay, thank you.
[13:25] Next up, we have the Grand County Housing Authority, the Coyote Creek Transfer Feed Applications,
[13:31] for example.
[13:36] She nuns in.
[13:50] You should be able to unmute.
[13:57] Good morning.
[13:59] Good morning.
[14:00] How are you?
[14:02] Good.
[14:03] How are you guys?
[14:05] She and Dylan, Grand County Housing Authority.
[14:07] And if you guys were to set up the Housing Authority board for me, please are
[14:16] we there?
[14:16] Yes.
[14:17] Yep.
[14:18] Okay.
[14:19] So, I do have two applications for exemption from a CaliD Creek transfer tax and my drop-off
[14:26] for this morning.
[14:28] The first thing in a project is my mother was impressed on my birth.
[14:31] The first one is for John P. Carville's.
[14:36] It's for a lot 24 unit 14 of CaliD Creek and this one is in fast exempt and there are 2.1
[14:44] of the restrictive evidence and I just asked for approval from the board on this one.
[14:54] I move the, I move the, I move the, I move the, we approve the,
[15:00] Exemption request for lot, 24 unit, 14 of the coyote creek subdivision for the transfer tax as presented by senator darlin.
[15:13] Aye. Aye.
[15:17] Okay, the second one is for the applicant worried now. It's for lot, 24 unit, 28 of the piety creek.
[15:30] I just, they are approved under 2.1
[15:33] of those two components as well, and the password goes with this one.
[15:49] I move to approve the, this is for which one?
[15:55] This is also Kyrie Creek.
[15:56] Move to approve the second.
[15:58] Kyrie Creek, transfer fee application of exemption as presented by director Sheen and darland.
[16:03] All
[16:07] those in favor?
[16:08] Aye.
[16:11] Thank you so much.
[16:13] Thank you.
[16:14] All right.
[16:15] Next up we have economic development contracts.
[16:21] We're going back to the city's commission.
[16:30] Diane, we're not hearing you.
[16:51] Hi, this is Diane Butler.
[16:53] Can you hear me now?
[16:54] Yes.
[16:55] Oh, great.
[16:57] Good morning commissioners.
[16:58] Diane Butler, Grand County Economic Development.
[17:01] We have two contracts that we have in your box.
[17:06] One is for innovation, economy partners,
[17:10] and the other one is for loud example.
[17:12] Both of these were presented during the budget hearing,
[17:15] and were approved on my budget for 2026.
[17:24] Would you give a quick overview as to the functions
[17:29] that these organizations will be providing for us?
[17:33] I'd be happy to. So a lot of example is administrative assistant who I've worked with for eight years.
[17:41] It's actually mostly funded through money we get every year from report MacLean.
[17:48] And she does things like my e-blast helps with other projects related to web site help and mostly administrative things.
[18:01] So I've worked with her like it said for quite a few years, and this contract always runs
[18:06] from the state to the next year.
[18:11] So it's kind of like a year contract that it's two years of the budget.
[18:18] And then the contract with Innovation Economy Partners is for a work and grant website of
[18:27] which we've also had probably for about eight years.
[18:29] many years when it was not funded at all but kept functioning and we chose and talked about
[18:38] adding all the information and expanding it beyond being a workforce on job listing website to
[18:48] expand into all the things that we can offer and have available for data like the tourism
[18:55] and revitalization plan that we did with them.
[18:58] Sure, all in the future work that we will be getting shortly
[19:01] with the new EPA thing on site locations.
[19:07] All those things will be right now editing the work
[19:11] and going to the website and taking out old stuff
[19:13] that's no longer good like the housing,
[19:16] but we're adding a lot of detail.
[19:18] So a lot of that data detail places
[19:21] were web sites interactive so businesses can go in and add them to the business listings
[19:30] beyond even the job description.
[19:33] So it's going to be expanded in all kinds of ways and then we'll also make sure
[19:37] that there's links on the county website that they'll also link to that.
[19:41] So we're in the process of adding both web sites currently.
[19:46] So this is for them to maintain through the normal things that really they haven't been
[19:51] and pay for it to do, but mostly at the additional stages that the reality created and more
[19:58] continue to go through this.
[20:04] So, commissioners, if I may, just jump in real quick. I recommend you sign both of these contracts. The innovation economy partners is just through the end of the year. I had a lengthy conversation with Diane yesterday. I apologize out the retreat. I did miss the key component of the Grand County tourism revitalization plan being incorporated into that working grant.
[20:29] And so we're going to, Diane's going to schedule a workshop with you later on this spring to have more of a conversation, but at this time we recommend approval of both contracts.
[20:41] The state of authority approved in the budget, so yes, they are already approved to the budget.
[20:46] Well, I appreciate that the update that Diane gave about updating the websites, because that was one of the comments that I was hearing that it wasn't up to date, and there was things missing, and so I'm
[20:55] I appreciate that we're working on that.
[20:57] Nothing worse in an out-of-date website.
[21:01] Right, right.
[21:02] And that was partially because we didn't have him contracted
[21:05] to do much, and we were really doing a big revision
[21:10] that was gonna start the short.
[21:12] So this contract will activate the rest of the work
[21:14] that we have already been working with amount,
[21:17] but we'll get it all.
[21:19] Once it's all updated, that's when I'd like to do the workshop
[21:23] because then I can walk you through how rich their data and information is that in there.
[21:30] That sounds good.
[21:32] All right. I would entertain a motion.
[21:34] To loud example first, time move to approve the services contract.
[21:41] Between loud example LLC, which is a Colorado limited liability company,
[21:47] and the Grand Canyon Board of Commissioners as presented by Diane Butler,
[21:55] Thank you, commissioners.
[21:59] And have a great day.
[22:00] Thank you so much.
[22:01] And I move that we approve the innovative economy partners as presented by Dan Butler.
[22:12] And authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents.
[22:16] All those in favor?
[22:18] Aye.
[22:19] Fantastic.
[22:20] Next up, we have the Clerk and Recorder.
[22:28] No.
[22:28] Dean Lincoln for the clerk in the quarters office.
[22:30] Right now, what we have is Albert Sapien's request.
[22:35] He is the president and manager of Tabernash Food and
[22:37] Beverage Company doing businesses Tabernash Tavern at 72 to 87 highway 40 in Tabernash, Colorado,
[22:45] for a renewal of a hotel and restaurant like our license and takeout.
[22:50] All fees have been paid to the state and to Grant County and the Sheriff's letter reflects no adverse actions.
[22:55] and we recommend approval and of the renewal for this request.
[23:01] Just a question, you mentioned takeout.
[23:04] Is that a new addition to this license or something?
[23:07] No, he had that before.
[23:08] Did have it before, okay.
[23:13] I move that we approve the restaurant and hotel and restaurant license
[23:20] with takeout for the Tabernashtabern as presented by our clerk and recorder
[23:24] and authorize the chair to sign all the applicable documents.
[23:28] All those in favor?
[23:31] All right, next up, we have road and bridge and airports.
[23:36] You want to do community development first?
[23:38] Oh, thank goodness.
[23:43] I have a good one, too.
[23:45] Community development.
[23:46] Chris, thank you so.
[23:47] So this request is for an un-budgeted item.
[23:51] We have been looking around.
[23:52] We've been currently using GoVOS as a short-term rental provider for the past four years.
[23:57] So we signed a contract with them four years ago.
[23:59] Is it three-year contract with Automatic?
[24:02] When you say provider, you're talking about data provider.
[24:06] Right, they scrub the Internet sites for who's renting, who's not.
[24:11] They provide us a software framework that allows us to collect the fees online,
[24:15] make sure that they have, you know, their fire inspections, all the things they need to do to get a license.
[24:23] They also do the violations, if we have a violation, they take the phone calls, you know,
[24:28] give us the information the next day so we can follow up.
[24:31] So it's a whole framework, including phone support for violations.
[24:35] So when you say, scrub the internet, what you're saying is that they're looking for home homes that are being advertised as a short-term rental.
[24:44] But in a check and see that they don't have a license and then that's where there's a problem.
[24:49] Yeah, only of course in unincorporated Grand County, the towns do their own thing.
[24:52] If the towns that are doing their own would be separate.
[24:56] Right. And up until recently we've all been on.
[25:00] Yeah, Govo S. Grammy recently went to Reynoldscape. So we started looking around, and we did look at Reynoldscape as well. We interviewed several of the other providers or software providers for that framework. And Govo S is the one who provides our financial information. So years ago, we went to Govo S to do that on the internet for the financial side. So Govo S came out to be significantly
[25:29] For example, in 2023, we paid $49,000, and then we went to 68, 2025, we were 78.
[25:38] Here in 2026, we were paying $83,460 for this service.
[25:44] If we go to open gov, it'll be $40,000 this year because it's also an implementation.
[25:53] But 2027, it goes down to $22,000, $22,343,000, $15.
[25:58] We'll save almost $67,000.
[26:02] 2028, we're going to go down to $23,460, that'll save us $72,000.
[26:06] So we more than make up for the, because this year again,
[26:11] it'd be about $40,000 of them budget and money.
[26:14] But next year, we'll save $66, and
[26:16] the next year, we'll save $72.
[26:18] So looking at it financially, it's actually a better platform.
[26:22] It's easier.
[26:23] Right now, there's two websites.
[26:24] You have one for the lodging, which is what you do the violation.
[26:26] You have to sign on a whole new website to go to the admin.
[26:30] We had them walk this through us three times and it's a much easier, simpler program.
[26:35] We believe it will be for the users as well.
[26:38] So there be no fee increase, no fee change, none of that stuff.
[26:42] It will just give us a different provider and save the county a quite a bit of money.
[26:49] Appreciate the long term value of this.
[26:52] Two quick questions.
[26:53] One, I presume you talked with other people that are using this.
[26:56] Yes, find out and they had good report on it.
[26:59] They did.
[27:00] Yes, and the other is the additional money that you're talking about, for this year, the $40,000, do you have room in your budget for that or will this need to be a supplement?
[27:13] It will have to be a supplemental, sir.
[27:18] I'm good with that explanation also, I mean, it sounds like you've done the diligence and the background to make it sure that we're good and apples, apples, compares and a lot less money, but it sounds like it's providing the same or maybe even better service.
[27:30] That will, for a lot less money in the long run.
[27:36] I have a question.
[27:38] Can I clarify just for the record, you talked about Gov.O.S., but finance uses Open Gov, right?
[27:47] Yes, so, Gov.
[27:48] So a lot of it was talking about Gov.O.S., which is the old one, and you want to go to Open Gov.
[27:55] And we would go to Open Gov starting off over first.
[27:57] Okay, great. Thank you.
[27:58] Open Gov is the new one. Gov, I know, they're kind of close, but Gov.O.S. is the one we would
[28:03] be terminating the contract with as a co-preferst, and we'll go with this one October.
[28:08] First, they'll be live.
[28:09] Their implementation takes about five to six months.
[28:13] What is the success rate like, I mean, like how many people are they finding a year that are renting?
[28:19] You know, it depends on the year.
[28:20] When they first came on board, when we first swapped to these guys, they did pretty well.
[28:25] But we find a fair amount of them just by scrubbing ourselves sometimes, or the neighbors will turn them in.
[28:30] So, I would say they're probably 90 percentage, hopefully open gov will be, they're saying 95 to 96, but they do a pretty good job, they do the Airbnb's craigslist, but there's some off site ones that obviously they have a hard time catching, but neighbors seem to turn them in.
[28:55] Never go, nothing's better than a nosy neighbor, even the internet.
[29:00] Or worse, depending on your heart.
[29:07] Questions out in retained emotion.
[29:12] To approve the agreements.
[29:15] It's open gov as for the internet services for regarding short term rentals.
[29:22] As described by community development director Chris Mangusso.
[29:26] So, and authorize the chair to sign all the click of documents.
[29:30] All those, oh, has this gone through legal, the agreement, okay.
[29:36] All those in favor?
[29:37] Aye.
[29:38] Aye.
[29:40] Thank you, commissioners.
[29:45] All right, sorry, I couldn't wait, road bridge, all right.
[29:49] Exciting stuff, Sean Mahoney with green county airports.
[29:53] Today I have a couple of items for you, we're going to start with the mountain parks of lethric, right away easement.
[30:00] Item at the crumbling airport for the new hangar development on the northwest side of the airport. And if we could have approval and signature on this easement.
[30:18] I don't have any questions. I move that we approve the right-of-way easement and agreement between the park's electric and the county for improvements to the airport in crumbling.
[30:35] All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. The next item I have is mostly for direction.
[30:41] on the Aprin bid project at the Croming Airport.
[30:46] Between last year and this year, we did save $800,000 by going to Rebid and a redesign for the project.
[30:55] The only issue with that is our funding availability is still about $1 million short.
[31:02] So our proposal by staff is to reallocate the 2026 BIL and AIG grants from
[31:10] the FAA as well as the 2027 AIG grants again from the FAA and that's in the amount of $300,000 and $574,000 for 2026.
[31:26] Also we'd have to reallocate our access road funds in the amount of $140,000 to complete this project.
[31:34] But we can get away with just doing schedule one, which is half of it.
[31:40] But to do the other half, I don't see us in the future ever coming back to this project
[31:45] again, especially with our capital improvement plan.
[31:48] It's not slated for contractors to come back in.
[31:52] So if we're able to move this funding around and do it now, I see a definitive cost savings.
[32:02] Because of the cost of mobilization.
[32:05] Mobilization, we're already there.
[32:07] If we do it five years from now, who knows what the price is going to be.
[32:11] Meanwhile, our federal funds stay the same.
[32:15] And the costs of material and labor goes up.
[32:18] So to use these funds now is a better proposal.
[32:26] I think that makes sense to me as well, I mean it seems.
[32:33] the mobilization costs and there are funding's flat, but our costs are just going to go up and make sense just go ahead now.
[32:40] The direction to pursue a contract, is that what you're asking for on this one?
[32:45] I wanted to bring it to you guys before I have a meeting with the FAA later today, but I wanted you guys to give us direction before we say let's move this money and spend it now.
[32:56] I'm good with proceeding as you described, okay.
[33:01] I'm excited to make sense.
[33:03] I am in favor of this as well, there are a lot of numbers here and it wasn't real clear
[33:10] from the review I did in the information in the box before the meeting.
[33:17] But I see there is a county match, a local match that's noted on this.
[33:27] Is that significantly different than what we were anticipating when we did the budget at the beginning of the year?
[33:34] It is about $20,000, but since we're reallocating the access road funds, that's something to where that budget would come out of, well not out of, but we wouldn't be using the access road budget for this.
[33:49] So to clarify, that access road funding, that's repaving the entrance to the airport, right, from the state in to the airport.
[33:57] Local only project, so that all those funds were actually budgeted in the county budget, and none of that was going to be state or federal.
[34:05] Right.
[34:07] We're moving those, so we're going to push that to a future year and then we'll move those funds to part of our match.
[34:14] Is that correct?
[34:15] Yes, correct.
[34:15] So
[34:20] the access road will not be addressed this year.
[34:23] I'm just going to clarify.
[34:24] Okay.
[34:27] Well, I would say yes, go ahead and get your contracts lined up to be able to do this
[34:35] and bring them back to us.
[34:36] Sounds good.
[34:37] Thank you, commissioners.
[34:38] The last item I have is for the Grand B airport hang your door repairs.
[34:43] It is an unbudgeted item of $7,079 from the roofing company to complete the repairs
[34:49] here's at the air port and if we could have approval to spend this unbudgeted item as
[34:59] well as.
[35:00] Mr. Head, more your design.
[35:04] Mr. Ed Ragnar, design. Beds are better than one. So, sometimes, it should be noted that the, normally, the maintenance of the hangars would be the responsibility of the hangar owners. But this was an error caused by county employees. And so that's why we're funding it.
[35:28] And I would move that we approve the bid with roofing company.
[35:33] We need to make their repairs as recommended.
[35:38] All those in favor?
[35:39] Aye.
[35:41] Thank you.
[35:51] Good morning, commissioners.
[35:52] David Buckley, Grand County Road and Bridge.
[35:55] Give you a little bit of history here.
[35:57] For the last 20, so years, we've been using a software that is a SQL base program called PubWorks
[36:05] to manage all of our assets and our driveway and right away permits.
[36:09] It's a little bit more history on that.
[36:12] This asset management software is used to manage our inventory, our work orders, our
[36:20] material that we use on roads.
[36:22] It helps us cost out what each road factors into our budget and so forth.
[36:29] So it's a significant software that we've used.
[36:32] PubWorks is currently owned by GWorks.
[36:35] They bought them out several years ago.
[36:37] They have notified us that they are no longer going to be supporting the SQL base program Pub-Works and that they want us to transition to their web base program, G-Works, and we are doing some due diligence with other software companies, OpenGov being one of them to see what's the best opportunity for us as a county moving forward.
[37:03] Right now, G-Works is giving us a significant discount, even though it's more than what we've paid with PubWorks.
[37:12] It's basically doubled.
[37:14] We've been paying about 7,000 a year on PubWorks.
[37:17] This price going to G-Works is going to be about 14,000 per year.
[37:21] We're locking in a two year pricing.
[37:24] This is not an agreement yet.
[37:26] But it's just for us as a county to secure this discount while it's available to us.
[37:34] As we move into the fall and budget, we want to make sure we have these numbers budgeted.
[37:40] So when we go into 2027, when we're looking at doing this implementation of this new software,
[37:46] we'll have it in the budget already.
[37:48] But for G works, we want to get approval from you all to give authorization to the chair of the BoCC to sign off on this discount pricing with G works that is for two-year period, which would start soon as we flip the switch.
[38:14] I guess it's a little bit concerning that a price doubled, but maybe that is the best option or the only option out there.
[38:24] It is the best option as of right now. As I said, we have done some due diligence with other software companies.
[38:30] And it's even significantly higher than what we're getting with GWX right at this moment.
[38:36] So we were going down the road of trying to work with OpenGov, Mesa County is using them.
[38:45] We were hopeful that the pricing would come in more competitive than with the existing G-Works contract or the proposed contract.
[38:54] But we're going to continue to look for a better deal.
[38:57] But until then we're just recommending commissioners we sign off to lock in the price.
[39:04] Should we go with G works next year, and we will come back with a contract sometime summer fall and budget for it accordingly?
[39:13] So locking in the price doesn't necessarily obligate us.
[39:15] Correct.
[39:17] Yeah.
[39:18] All right.
[39:18] No, it just locks us in for that discount price.
[39:22] Okay.
[39:24] Just for a note, I don't have anything for you to sign Commissioner Ragnar, it's in your email inbox.
[39:33] So, depending on the approval of today, if you want to move forward with that, if you need any assistance, let me know.
[39:45] They would have come from me.
[39:46] I would have come from you.
[39:47] I forward it to you.
[39:48] It was last week.
[39:49] I can follow.
[39:50] I'll come last week.
[39:51] No, I have that.
[39:52] Actually, I have a box item called 2B sign.
[40:01] I'm good with it. I don't have any other questions. I move that we approve the Recommended Transition from pub works to G works.
[40:17] Authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents. All those in favor? Hi. Thank you, gentlemen.
[40:33] Good morning, commissioners, act brought in through the bridge. We recently
[40:38] Really blue an engine on one of our dump trucks.
[40:43] For a little background, it's a 1992 Kenworth that's got 720,000 miles on it.
[40:50] 720.
[40:52] Researching and remanufactured engines approximately $20,000 and then we have to put it in and take
[41:00] the old one out.
[41:01] Currently, for 26, we have 130,000 in our capital equipment budget set aside for a water truck replacement.
[41:10] What we'd like to do is take that money plus $20,199 out of our repair of trucks budget and purchase a 2018 Kenworth with 28,000 miles on it from DTI trucks.
[41:29] Seeking for authorization to move forward with that purchase and authorize county manager to sign all applicable documents.
[41:37] So the old track was that 720,000 miles on that engine or has it been rebuilt on that engine?
[41:45] It was a cat or a commons and the new one is a cat or a commons packer.
[41:51] No.
[41:55] Okay.
[41:56] For question.
[41:57] Okay.
[41:59] And the reason why we're not replacing the engine is that 720,000 miles.
[42:05] No, but I mean, there's other concerns with the trucks that's got a twisted frame.
[42:11] Yeah.
[42:11] So there's some other issues with the truck.
[42:13] Whether it's well-used.
[42:15] Or we would just.
[42:16] Well, you mentioned it.
[42:18] So instead of limping it along, we had it originally slated to get replaced this year as well.
[42:25] And then we pulled it out.
[42:26] So I wasn't going to put it back in for 27.
[42:30] So I'll just flip-flop the water truck in the dump truck.
[42:32] Is there salvage value to that truck?
[42:34] Probably.
[42:35] I haven't researched it a whole lot.
[42:37] I'll probably put it in the auction and under minimum bin on it or something like that.
[42:46] I mean, I'm in favor of this, but where does this leave us with respect to the desired water truck?
[42:54] The one we have is in the shop right now, I'm going to say, you know, DOD inspection.
[43:00] The mechanics is pretty sound, and we think.
[43:04] So the idea was to replace that truck, not to supplement with a second truck.
[43:09] Right.
[43:11] We're just going to hold off for that for another year.
[43:13] Yes.
[43:14] I mean, no, have any water to use to keep it in the truck?
[43:19] No, I need it this year.
[43:24] I think it's a good use of the way that this is shook out.
[43:30] Like you said, it was scheduled for a replacement anyway and that kind of accelerated the process.
[43:33] So I'm good with this procedure and this process.
[43:36] Am I wrong or does that sound like a really good deal on a 28,000 well?
[43:40] It's a pretty good deal.
[43:41] That's kind of what I thought to you.
[43:43] My cannings went down and looked at it yesterday and said it's a really clean, really nice truck.
[43:47] 28,000 miles is barely broken.
[43:49] Yeah,
[43:56] let's see.
[43:58] Move to approve the 2020, it's not a 26th,
[44:02] the dump truck purchase for the 2018 Kinworth
[44:06] as described by Zach Brody of Grand County Road and Bridge
[44:10] and authorize the chair to sign.
[44:13] We're gonna authorize the manager.
[44:15] The manager, you're right, the manager.
[44:18] Authorize the manager to sign.
[44:19] Corrected motion, accepted.
[44:23] All those in favor?
[44:24] I thank you, thank you commissioners,
[44:30] do you get to drive it back from Denver just might
[44:36] have to go get a CDL first, but then I will know.
[44:40] I should I go with Michael morning
[44:45] Abby.
[44:47] Good morning commissioners Abby Baker with Grand County Public Health.
[44:51] I just realized that I brought the wrong printed out document for signatures so I can bring that over later.
[44:59] here.
[45:00] Signature requested for the later.
[45:02] The probably disliked motion with otherwise the stamp signature.
[45:06] Okay, great. So the item I have in the drop box this morning is the deputization of the vaccines for children program from middle park health to Grand County public health.
[45:19] What this deputization does is extends the vaccines for children program from middle park health to our public health department.
[45:29] But it does maintain separation of both programs.
[45:32] We have our own, what's it called a pin number, so that maintains our organization separate
[45:40] from middle-park health, but the requirement from the state is to have a federally qualified
[45:45] health center or rural health clinic deputized public health agencies for administering the
[45:53] vaccines for children program.
[45:56] That is the renewal of this, and just oversight for that program is Dr. Jason Stormin,
[46:03] serves as our medical officer,
[46:10] request that the-
[46:19] I move that we approve this deputization document and authorize the chair's signature to
[46:27] be stamped.
[46:31] All those in favor?
[46:32] Oh.
[46:34] Is this a BOCC, or is it a board of health?
[46:38] We'll leave in the contract routing form, it was Board of County Commissioners.
[46:43] I just don't remember, so, thanks.
[46:46] The other question is, and this is just a comment, I'm supporting this.
[46:50] But when I saw the word deputization, I was a little fearful that it would become some kind of a must-have and
[46:56] you shall kind of think, like you are a deputy, but it's not that at all.
[46:59] No.
[47:00] No, it's a good extension from their clinic to our clinic for the program.
[47:05] I have
[47:12] a motion.
[47:13] All those of you who are?
[47:14] Aye.
[47:22] We have EMS.
[47:25] Good morning, commissioners.
[47:26] Bill Clark, deputy chief, Gary, and GUN EMS.
[47:28] We are requesting authorization to permanently update our billing and collections process,
[47:33] following the successful transition to our new software platform.
[47:35] This request seeks to establish a streamlined three-statement cycle, replacing the temporary measures
[47:40] previously enacted from the October meeting.
[47:44] The vendor currently only sends three statements, which is the industry practice.
[47:49] In addition to that, we're including an email and a phone call to the person so
[47:53] that to ensure that we got the correct information to send them the statements.
[48:00] This process would, once it goes into the primary payer status of the patient or
[48:06] guarantor, would not refer anybody collections any sooner than 95 days.
[48:12] So
[48:18] the request is to approve the policy for the collections of past due accounts.
[48:25] Yes.
[48:28] I move that we approve the policy as presented.
[48:35] All those in favor?
[48:36] Aye.
[48:38] Thank you.
[48:39] Thank you.
[48:41] Next up, we have water resources.
[48:43] I think it should be noted that the EMS works diligently with the people that they've provided service to.
[48:52] to try to work out the best payment program possible.
[48:57] But this works for their software, and I know they'll keep the human touch on things despite what the software does.
[49:09] Good morning commissioners, Catherine Morris, Grand County Water Resources Manager.
[49:15] Purpose of my visit to you this morning is to let you know that the nature conservancy has come forward with an offer for funding for
[49:23] a consultant to help execute projects with a number of different collaborative groups
[49:34] with which county participates, sorry, county to valley restoration collaborative would
[49:43] be one of them. Potential other groups would be learning by doing, you can't really call
[49:50] the wildfire ready watersheds a group? Well, there's a stakeholder group, but it doesn't have a
[49:55] life beyond the contract necessarily. But
[50:00] A number of projects are identified in that process that you'll be hearing about, by the way, from the consultant next month, at the end of this month, on the 28th, and then also to act as a liaison with the Forest Service, to update their Forest and Recreation Priorities, and a liaison with Northern Water on their Source Water Protection Program. TNC reached out to us,
[50:29] and has talked to these different organizations separately or attended a meeting and now we're asking them to have a joint meeting together so that we can sort of flesh out a scope of work.
[50:44] They have indicated a preference for having the county be the contracting agency.
[50:55] So what we're wanting to do is just stay in discussions with the Nature Conservancy to learn more about this and what they're asking for, they've offered, I believe it's to potentially three years of funding and.
[51:13] And so let me jump in real quick.
[51:17] So commissioners, so Taylor Haas, who is with the Nature Conservancy and also new Taylor
[51:23] very well, she's a CWCB commissioner for the Colorado Basin.
[51:30] She reached out to Catherine and I, we've had several discussions.
[51:33] She's just, and it all started from sort of like, where does TNC fit in in the headwaters?
[51:40] And how do we sort of advance some of these projects that different partners are in initiatives they're looking at?
[51:50] And the county Chivaldi, the Kaverk project is just one of those that TNC's involved with.
[51:57] But what are the other ones that we can advance?
[52:00] And northern water has sort of been a cheerleader behind the scenes on this too.
[52:04] And so I think there's a lot more to come.
[52:06] and to figure out who would be that fiscal agent or who would contract with.
[52:11] But then, if there was a TNC employee on the ground, who would they report to?
[52:16] So we'll come back with all that information.
[52:18] We just wanted to make sure that commissioners, you knew what we were up to.
[52:24] And if you have any issues with that, that we would put the brakes on, but we didn't want to get out ahead of you on this.
[52:31] appreciate that for sure. I guess one of my concerns on that one is is it's got a fire
[52:38] wildfire resilience component to it and I think that should be something that you should
[52:44] reach out to or this person should reach out to the wildfire council.
[52:48] And I didn't include wildfire council in this memo. I thought was an oversight on my part
[52:53] there. I included in the meeting. But the funder, a private funder through TNC is interested
[53:01] in watershed health in particular, and so not a perfect nexus there with wildfire in terms of forest projects, but certainly with riparian and other projects.
[53:16] As we all know, those two things are connected.
[53:19] Yes.
[53:24] So that would be my concern. It's just make sure that we're including that forest mitigation prevention health component with this project.
[53:32] And we're looking into it for sure and make sure that we're clearly on board with the scope of work whenever that comes out as to what they're doing and what it's expected to do.
[53:44] Jessica is invited to that next meeting.
[53:47] Yes, she's going to be at the table.
[53:51] And I've had a separate conversation with her so she understands what's being proposed.
[53:55] I think it has a potential to be a really good thing and continuing discussions, I would
[54:03] encourage you to do that as you say that the crucial point of that is going to be what
[54:09] does it mean to help advance watershed health by pursuing multiple potential projects, right?
[54:17] And who's going to be, we're seeing that so the description of the job and the expected
[54:23] that outcomes will be crucial and obviously the right person for the job.
[54:29] Someone, they've indicated a preference for someone with experience and we certainly support that.
[54:37] And then who that person would be responsible to and how that management would work.
[54:46] But yeah, go forth and sort it out.
[54:49] Okay.
[54:50] Thank you very much.
[54:51] First of all, thank you.
[55:00] We've got the county manager weekly update. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. Just to follow up from last week's Board of County Commissioner strategic priorities retreat. We are staff is following up on some of those items, including finalizing the AI vision plan. Also the energy audit. I did reach out and had a discussion with Helen Brown last week. You prompted her.
[55:27] Commissioner Wagner.
[55:28] here. So it's not a free program for county government. Just, just, you know,
[55:37] yeah. But it's
[55:38] okay. It's very cost effective. It sounds like, and I'll be getting a list of buildings
[55:43] and square footage to them in an enrollment form for an estimated cost. So.
[55:49] And we were talking about what, three, four main buildings, something like that.
[55:53] That administration building, judicial building and sheriff jail.
[56:01] Also, just another item following up, I'm going to have a conversation regarding child care with the town of Winter Park in Megan.
[56:12] Also, commissioners Micah Draft to the RFQ, following the conversation regarding.
[56:22] getting an RFQ out for a commercial realtor to list the EMS station one current property, 81 West Eggett Ave.
[56:31] And moving forward, commissioners last week was the Grand County Alerts launch, which was really successful.
[56:39] Yesterday at 2 p.m., we had nearly 2100 folks registered, which is great news.
[56:44] I think we didn't think we would hit that target until the end of the month.
[56:47] So ahead and great work with all of our teams that have been pushing that out.
[56:54] It's been a great effort, so Commissioner George and I have a lower blue river working
[57:01] group meeting on Thursday at 1 p.m. and Frisco and or on Microsoft Teams.
[57:07] Commissioner George and I are also attending a site tour with Blue Valley Ranch on Friday
[57:10] at 130.
[57:15] I'm sorry, I received an email from Kelly Friesen regarding the Juvenile Services Planning Committee
[57:24] and a request from the district judge for other commissioner or I to serve on that committee.
[57:34] They meet three times a year, so JSPC committee.
[57:37] But either of you care to serve on that committee.
[57:43] I'd be willing to serve.
[57:44] That's why you're second to you guys.
[57:46] I think he's an either of you.
[57:48] I think he was referring to you too.
[57:50] Any of you will.
[57:51] Any of you want to volunteer so we can.
[57:53] So let's stop.
[57:54] Do.
[57:54] Do you want to.
[57:56] Or.
[57:56] Or.
[57:56] I'm ready to.
[57:58] I served in that committee for several years.
[58:01] When it was.
[58:02] Wait, you had the experience.
[58:04] No.
[58:06] So you were probably the first instinct to say thank you, sir, and move on.
[58:11] And if neither of you, three, one, two, I would do it.
[58:15] Okay, Commissioner George is-
[58:16] Mr. George is-
[58:18] I will get back to Kelly and the judge.
[58:20] Thank you for doing that.
[58:22] Okay, commissioners, with regard to on-site water treatment system, subject tank disposal, I did send an email out to all of our waste water treatment.
[58:34] facilities and those special districts and towns, and regarding and inquiring if they
[58:42] have any plans to accept septic sewage in the near future.
[58:47] Granby Sand District, so they might be interested if there was county participation since it's
[58:53] all from unincorporated Granby County.
[58:56] So I'll be scheduling a follow-up meeting with Granby Sand.
[58:58] And then also we understand that Kremlin San made an initial investment through a public private partnership with one of our local septic providers, or a disposal companies, but still can't accept material.
[59:14] We're going to follow up with Kremlin San, Micah had an initial conversation with Tom Yoder, which is there a WIM IRT or whatever.
[59:26] But we're going to follow up, because if they made that investment, what's the plans in the future, do they have to get past some kind of permitting thing with CDPHE, and then will they be able to accept that the future will follow up?
[59:39] But nonetheless, I've been also getting follow-up from, speak from the Colossian staff on this matter, as there have been public and some providers that have contacted the speaker regarding this in Grant County.
[59:57] But what is green?
[1:00:00] I'm going to be looking for us from the county because this is more of like a public entity accepting from private business. So like, so I don't know if there's an initial investment that needs to be done for a pretreatment sort of like crenling sanitation did. And what does that. Initial investment look like. And so I'll report back after I talk to Granby sanitation district. What are they doing with that now? If they can't dump it anywhere. They are taking it to route county.
[1:00:31] So, apparently there's a facility in route county that has the ability under their CDPAT permit to allow for that, or they're taking it to Eagle County, or Adams, Adams County, yes.
[1:00:48] So, Abernasse Meadows won't take any?
[1:00:50] No, no,
[1:00:54] and their permit doesn't allow for it, and again, there's a pre-treatment component because
[1:01:01] Graphic care, but it's all solids.
[1:01:03] We'll just say that.
[1:01:05] Okay, there's not enough water in it.
[1:01:10] All right, so I'll report back on that.
[1:01:16] Commissioner Ragnar and I attended a recent
[1:01:18] Granby to Gran Lake transit route meeting with the Soda Springs HOA on March 27th.
[1:01:24] Again, that route is a start in June through times of day.
[1:01:27] I think they identified 1040 stop at sort of springs, a 155 stop and a 625 stop.
[1:01:37] Anyway, looked into various locations there, but I think the proposal is to have the stop be located adjacent to the existing restaurant and the parking and an expanded area from the restaurant.
[1:01:51] The goal is to work with the restaurant owner and the property owner of the restaurant and
[1:01:58] have some, and then there'll be some follow-up with the lift team basically to address some of the concerns of the HOA regarding parking trash, port-a-potties, etc., so more to come on that.
[1:02:16] Commissioner Lincoln afforded the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service requests for information for the Colorado Wolf 10J.
[1:02:26] They came out, that sounds like that official publication hit the register and the date is now in May.
[1:02:35] May 11th is May 13th.
[1:02:38] But nonetheless, I did, as I indicated, reached out back out to the middle park stock growers.
[1:02:45] I did receive some talking points last night, so I will be putting together a letter for your consideration.
[1:02:58] Missioners in your drop box, in your correspondence box, is a USDA Secretary of Ag drought disaster designation.
[1:03:05] We received that yesterday, Grand County is one of 33 primary counties that are designated as a natural disaster area.
[1:03:16] So that was forwarded on by Office of Emergency Management from the Northwest State Rep.
[1:03:23] So based on eligibility requirements, ag operators may be eligible for farm service agency emergency loan assistance.
[1:03:31] So, more to come on that, but obviously, Office of Emergency Management can work probably
[1:03:38] with CSU Extension and work stock growers, as well as NRCS, assist.
[1:03:48] Just while we're talking about drought,
[1:03:54] we looked at the matrix for our fire ban stages at this point.
[1:04:03] I know we're hoping to see a little more moisture before this week's out, but have we begun to look at that rubric and decide where we are with all that?
[1:04:13] I have not commissioner, but your sheriff that is very thoroughly involved in that process.
[1:04:21] Commissioner Ragnar and I attended a short meeting with a group including the sheriff and the four service on a week ago yesterday on Monday.
[1:04:33] They are, I believe, going to be having calls on every Monday and then the sheriff will be putting that on the agenda.
[1:04:40] So I believe the sheriff is looking at that, sir.
[1:04:42] We do get some calls from various residents, anxious about how soon we might move to stage one at least.
[1:04:53] And I know that it's really important because so much of our county is federal property.
[1:05:00] That we work together so that we don't have a patchwork of, you can have a fire here, you can't have it there. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we were on top of that because everything looks like it's at least a month, maybe a month and a half early, compared to what we have seen over the past several years.
[1:05:19] Ralph Medbo, national force was on that call as well as BLM.
[1:05:24] So yes, it's very important to coordinate with all those federal agents.
[1:05:27] Because we do have some Ralph Medbo over on the west side of the county, not a lot, but some.
[1:05:32] I can reach out to the sheriff and see if he can give you guys an update.
[1:05:37] Maybe next week, would that work?
[1:05:39] The good.
[1:05:39] Or at least put something in the box, it says this is where we are with the matrix.
[1:05:55] Okay, that is all I have this time, and then we'll go into it.
[1:06:02] I'm going to do the attorney first.
[1:06:05] If you guys wouldn't mind, just because I've got to leave in ten minutes.
[1:06:09] So I was contacted by the title company two weeks ago and I signed a release
[1:06:15] of first rate of refusal for a property in the Pine Air subdivision.
[1:06:22] As standard, the form has been the same for years.
[1:06:26] But now all of a sudden, the title company has requested that it be notarized.
[1:06:31] It was never notarized before, so I have the exact same form with a notary signature and
[1:06:38] would just request that the chair resign it with a notary.
[1:06:43] Move that we authorize the chair to resign this release of first right of refusal for
[1:06:51] the lots one to six block one pioneer addition to the hot sulfur springs.
[1:06:58] All those in favor?
[1:07:00] Aye.
[1:07:04] And that is all I have.
[1:07:06] Oh, from the other rest.
[1:07:13] I move that we go into executive session, pursuant to CRS 24-6-402-4E to determine positions relative to matters subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations, and instructing negotiators regarding the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.
[1:07:32] President, the meeting will be the three commissioners, the county manager, the county assistant
[1:07:38] manager, and anyone else said you'll be there, all right, and the county attorney.
[1:07:46] That's all, and we're going into that at 9.38 a.m.
[1:18:52] So we are coming out of executive session. The executive session was pursuant to CRS 24-6-402-4E, to determine physicians relative to the matter of subject and negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations and instructing negotiators regarding the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority. And it is now 9.49. We
[1:19:20] are instructing the county manager to finalize
[1:19:26] the agreements with the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority contingent upon.
[1:19:35] So,
[1:19:37] I recommend the BOCC approve the Winter Park URA-TIFF agreement and authorize the chair to execute outside of the meeting via stamp signature.
[1:19:45] On two things, one, that the TIFF district's map be provided to include with the
[1:20:00] For assessor office expenses, receiving
[1:20:10] that. And that the signature would be by the chair outside the meeting. Yes sir. And I might come sign that rather than just use my state. That would be good. That would be fun. And we have a dollar amount and that assessor agreement
[1:20:48] with Sarah here. Is it with Sarah here? Is it okay to ask her a question, Mr. Chair? Absolutely.
[1:20:56] We had some discussion about the TIFF financing area and the URA, and I wondered if you could comment on whether they are the same or whether the TIFF financing area is a subset of the overall URA.
[1:21:17] Sure, thank you, Commissioner.
[1:21:19] Sarah, Executive Director of the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.
[1:21:23] It's a pleasure to be here with you this morning as I shared with my guy.
[1:21:26] I was literally driving by, so I was just going to stop in because I take trough road all the time now.
[1:21:33] So for your question, Commissioner George, the Urban Renewal Authority's boundaries is the entire town of Winter Park.
[1:21:41] And then there are plan areas that you adopt within the authorities' boundaries.
[1:21:48] And so we have one plan area.
[1:21:50] It is broken into two-tiff districts that are slightly smaller than the plan area itself.
[1:21:57] And it has to do with that there are some parcels that will never be property tax revenue generating.
[1:22:04] Given their current use, for example, is the town hall and its current status.
[1:22:10] So it's all really close aligned, but yeah, we had a slight conversation just to make sure we got the right map that you're requesting, and that should be no problem for our GIS team to pull together for you.
[1:22:23] From an informational standpoint, I would appreciate seeing the one that shows the whole area and the subset and the subset.
[1:22:33] Absolutely. We can provide that to you through Mr. Moyer.
[1:22:36] Thank you.
[1:22:37] That would be great.
[1:22:38] And appreciate all your efforts in pulling this together.
[1:22:42] Certainly.
[1:22:42] It's been a pleasure to work with you all, and I'm excited for what lies in the future
[1:22:46] for the county and the community with this development.
[1:22:49] Thank you.
[1:22:50] Oh, thank you, sir.
[1:22:52] So the managers stated it, but I would go ahead and make a formal motion that we approve
[1:22:57] what he stated in terms of the acceptance of the agreement and contingent upon the receipt
[1:23:05] of the two items he mentioned as well.
[1:23:09] All those in favor?
[1:23:10] All right.
[1:23:12] Commissioner.
[1:23:13] Thank you.
[1:23:14] Oh my gosh, I was not, my microphone was not on this whole time.
[1:23:21] I apologize, but if you want me to participate, please restate.
[1:23:24] I'm just going to be able to quickly summarize.
[1:23:26] Let me just restate the motion.
[1:23:29] I recommend the BOCC approval of the Winter Park URA, TIFF agreement, and
[1:23:35] an authorize a chair to execute outside the meeting via stamp signature, contingent on two items.
[1:23:40] One, the TIFF district's map be provided to include with the parcel list in exhibit A.
[1:23:48] And two, a separate reimbursement agreement being provided for assessor office expenses and be reviewed by legal prior to being presented to the Board of County Commissioners for approval and signature.
[1:23:59] And again,
[1:24:00] And thank you, Marcy, Elina, Micah, Max for their time and effort.
[1:24:07] And working with me on this and also a big thank you to Sarah Ott.
[1:24:14] And Ed Ragnar.
[1:24:16] Yes.
[1:24:18] Those meetings were very long.
[1:24:19] Thank you.
[1:24:20] All those in favor?
[1:24:21] Aye.
[1:24:23] All right.
[1:24:23] All right.
[1:24:25] Thank you.
[1:24:29] All right, moving forward we've got board business.
[1:24:32] We'll do the correspondence.
[1:24:42] So, before we jump to that, Micah, we didn't have, uh, you do your items?
[1:24:48] Yeah.
[1:24:49] I, since your apologies.
[1:24:51] Can we jump back to?
[1:24:53] I didn't know if you wanted to skip them for now in the interest of time.
[1:24:56] Okay.
[1:24:57] Back to him later.
[1:24:58] All right.
[1:25:03] Okay. Okay. Christine sent out information last week to employees about jet dental coming to grain county August 20th. They are an in network dental provider. We'll be set up in the employee lunchroom here on the second floor of the administration building to do cleanings and whitenings. Employees just need to sign up. We would like for employees to sign up by June 15th, so we know whether or not we meet our minimum numbers. If we do not meet that minimum, we will have to cancel the event.
[1:25:32] we have to have between 20 and 25 appointments scheduled for that morning.
[1:25:37] Fairbook ads and sponsorships were due last week. In the past, they have received approximately
[1:25:43] 70 sponsorships. They are sitting at about 110 right now with more struggling in. So really great
[1:25:52] news for the fair this year. It's awesome. And the fair board is going to be moving forward with
[1:25:58] the contract for a concert to be held on August 1 at the fairgrounds, you will see that
[1:26:03] contract after it's been routed.
[1:26:05] And then on the wellness committee front of things, drum roll please, we had two winners
[1:26:12] in our March madness brackets.
[1:26:16] Our winners were Christine Travis and David Buckley and in as words they picked the team
[1:26:24] up north that won the NCAA March Madness, they will both be receiving a prize from the Wellness
[1:26:32] Committee, not sure what that's going to be yet. But thank you to the whole Wellness Committee,
[1:26:36] and Christine actually is the one that gets that information out to people, so we appreciate that.
[1:26:41] They all land on my desk and then I manage it from there, but we are looking for some March Madness
[1:26:47] Enthusias that would like to maybe head that up next year, maybe somebody who knows a little bit
[1:26:51] more about it than I do. But you can't say that word when you have family in Ohio.
[1:27:01] The team up north is how he's been referring to it.
[1:27:04] Do you see the spouse of a Penn state or I would, it's similar.
[1:27:09] That is all I have for you, commissioners. Thank you.
[1:27:15] So commissioners, I'm just pivoting over to some of the
[1:27:20] board business. So you have two letters that were approved and stamped outside of the
[1:27:28] meeting last week that you need to please ratify this morning. One was the Sheriff's Office
[1:27:38] Congressional Directed Spending Letter Support for their application, and the second was
[1:27:44] because the emergency management communications month proclamation declaring April 2nd as Grand County Alerts Day.
[1:27:57] I would request a motion for both of those ratify both of those.
[1:28:03] Move to approve the ratification of the letter of support regarding the Sheriff's Congress on Directed Spending Requests.
[1:28:12] Authorize the commissioners to sign that document.
[1:28:15] All those in favor?
[1:28:18] Aye.
[1:28:19] They're ratification, so it's already been signed and said.
[1:28:23] Do we actually cite it in person?
[1:28:25] Okay, no.
[1:28:26] We've got the EMS file.
[1:28:32] There's another letter of support, just, okay, yeah.
[1:28:36] Move to, that's different, that's different.
[1:28:39] Move to approve the ratification of the emergency communications month proclamation, as Mr.
[1:28:46] Mr. Moyer mentioned April 2nd, his Grand County Alerts Day.
[1:28:49] All those in favor?
[1:28:51] Aye.
[1:28:54] Now, proclamation,
[1:28:58] Mr. Chair is going to read of the delegation.
[1:29:03] I love it.
[1:29:04] Proclamation from the Board of County Commissioners of the County of Grand.
[1:29:08] Whereas the Grand County Board of County Commissioners recognizes June 6, 2026 as the 50th anniversary celebration of the late,
[1:29:15] M.L. Warner becoming the first woman in the United States
[1:29:17] airline history to upgrade to Captain.
[1:29:20] And whereas M.L. Howell Warner is Colorado's most
[1:29:22] celebrated female airline pilot,
[1:29:24] a 25 plus year Grand County resident,
[1:29:27] co-founder of Urae Ranch Development,
[1:29:29] and original Grand County Bank Investor,
[1:29:31] friends of Grand Prix Airport founding board member,
[1:29:34] and whereas on March 8, 1973,
[1:29:37] M.L. Warner shattered the glass ceiling
[1:29:39] of the U.S. airline flight deck
[1:29:41] as frontier airlines first woman pilot,
[1:29:43] opening commercial aviation for other female pilots creating gender equity and
[1:29:47] inclusion in the U.S. airline flight decks and whereas 1974 Emily Warner became
[1:29:52] the first female member of the airline pilots association and whereas Emily
[1:29:58] Warner held membership number one is a
[1:30:00] Founding member of the International Society of Women, Airline Pilots, Colorado Pilots Association, and friends of the Grand B Grand County Airport end. Whereas Emily Warner was inducted into the Women in Aviation International Pioneer Hall of Fame, National Women's Hall of Fame, National Aviation Hall of Fame, Irish American Hall of Fame, Colorado Women's Hall of Fame, Colorado Aviation Hall of Fame, and the Grand B Airport Wall of Fame. Whereas Emily's Wander's Frontier Airline Uniformes Exhibited in the Smithsonian Air
[1:30:29] in Space Museum and whereas Emily Warner was honored by the Colorado Joint Resolution
[1:30:35] 949, on on Captain Emily Warner of the Achievements in Aviation History 1994 and whereas in 2015
[1:30:43] Grammy, Green County Airport was named Emily Warner Field to honor her many local and aviation
[1:30:49] contributions with an award-winning community aviation museum on the airport and whereas the
[1:30:55] Colorado Senate and House representatives jointly created a March 8, 2023 tribute to
[1:30:59] to celebrate Emilie Warner and the women airline pilots.
[1:31:03] And therefore the Green County Board of Commissioners
[1:31:05] declares June 6th, 2026 as the 50th anniversary
[1:31:10] of Emilie Warner becoming the first female airline captain
[1:31:13] in U.S. history, dated this day of April 7th, 2026.
[1:31:19] Thank you.
[1:31:20] We approve the proclamation as red.
[1:31:24] All those in favor?
[1:31:25] Aye.
[1:31:28] We have a request for a letter of support
[1:31:32] a draft in the box here of a letter of support for the Mountain Parks Electric.
[1:31:36] That item was actually pulled, sir.
[1:31:38] That was pulled, okay.
[1:31:40] Sorry, it's not.
[1:31:42] Box.
[1:31:44] They're going to be seeking a future grant.
[1:31:47] I think it's a brick grant coming up.
[1:31:50] So they'll be asked to provide an updated letter of support regarding that specific grant in the future.
[1:31:59] We
[1:32:05] have a lot of correspondence in here as you mentioned.
[1:32:10] The drought disaster was mentioned already.
[1:32:16] There's a drug take back day if you're needing to get rid of your prescription drugs.
[1:32:21] And that's going to be on Saturday the 25th of April, 10-2 at the Sheriff's Office.
[1:32:30] Forest Service Headquarters move.
[1:32:32] There's a reorganization of the Forest Service, and that seems like it moved in a good direction.
[1:32:38] There's a notice on that.
[1:32:41] The mountain park's electric fire protection settings that they're setting things to be
[1:32:47] more sensitive, just to be able to shut down the power lines in case there's potential for
[1:32:54] fire.
[1:32:54] There is a final determination of the request for Habitat for Humanity regarding their tax status.
[1:33:06] That's in there as well.
[1:33:09] USDA has gone into stage one fire restrictions for the front range of the RAPO National Forest.
[1:33:19] There's a Veterans Resource Fair that's coming up in Kremlin on Thursday, April 30th.
[1:33:26] So veterans interested in getting access to a variety of services.
[1:33:31] That's a great place to meet.
[1:33:33] They'll be meeting at 10, 15.
[1:33:36] They'll be lunch provided there.
[1:33:38] It goes at least until 2 in the afternoon.
[1:33:41] And there's also a letter from Excel Energy regarding gas service in the county.
[1:33:53] Ed, did you want to make any comment on that one?
[1:33:55] Yeah, just to just quickly, I have had a brief conversation with John Peacock, the town manager of Winner Park, I think that they will be they've also been having some discussion with Excel were I believe trying to take the next step is to get a meeting set with Excel, so I'll I'll be updating you all and if one of you want to join, that would be great too.
[1:34:21] I happen to be talking to a gentleman who was an architect and he was talking about the
[1:34:29] new building codes and wildfire readiness and the desire of the state to have everything
[1:34:36] geared to be electric in the future.
[1:34:40] And he was talking about the significant cost increases that that was creating for new homes
[1:34:47] and even as an architect, he was having the higher
[1:34:50] opens
[1:34:55] to review his plans to find out
[1:34:58] if they were meeting all of the book.
[1:35:05] So, I'll follow up with you, but I think the goal is to have a sit down and talk about capacity in Grand County, especially with existing customers and proposed new development. The other side of that is we have a meeting in just a little bit with Mountain Park's electric about what service they're able to provide. So, I would say just two things on that. One is that the drug take back day and actually is really important.
[1:35:32] And I talked to one of the water and sand guys about that.
[1:35:34] I was just watching down the toilet when they were expired,
[1:35:37] but it's a very dangerous thing to do for the water scale.
[1:35:41] And especially if you're in a well or not,
[1:35:42] if you're in public, it's really important to do those.
[1:35:45] And then I actually had ran into Blair,
[1:35:47] just kind of off the cuff, and I'd asked her about this,
[1:35:50] and it was looking more for support of the influence,
[1:35:56] not so much like money and assets, is what it's all
[1:36:00] about.
[1:36:01] That was my concern, was I go, so you want us to pay
[1:36:03] for a private company's infrastructure.
[1:36:05] She was like seeing no that they're just looking for a little bit of guidance and a little bit of collaboration with the municipalities in the county and just as they push forward our support with helping them so next
[1:36:23] we had do we want to.
[1:36:26] There's also a good item in the box about the collision crossing while by life crossing setups so that's really good.
[1:36:37] We see that, that's a Senate bill that's coming forth from Senator Roberts.
[1:36:43] Basically, holding up Highway 9's wildlife crossings as a great example.
[1:36:51] And saying that we ought to fund this statewide by voluntary contributions when people register their vehicles.
[1:36:59] Volunteer is the key.
[1:37:00] I did talk to Dylan about this involuntary being the key which drove home with me several times.
[1:37:08] He knows our feelings on such things and actually I would have
[1:37:18] to be OCC for this because he's been a really successful.
[1:37:22] Maybe even testify if he needed that.
[1:37:24] It's dramatically reduced the wildlife car collisions for sure.
[1:37:29] I mean, to make about a $5 contribution that people wanted to make it, I think it should not be limited to that.
[1:37:36] If somebody wants to put in 10 or 50 or 500, that should be an option as well.
[1:37:42] But I know that there shouldn't be a ceiling, right?
[1:37:45] How was so do you want to continue to do that?
[1:37:46] Yes, be okay with writing the letter of support for this.
[1:37:49] Yes, yes, yes, I don't know, has it been introduced yet?
[1:37:54] It has a number, so I'm not going to have to see it.
[1:37:57] It doesn't have a number, yeah, and I know that it's kind of interesting.
[1:38:01] I think I talked to Katie at CCI and they had decided that it didn't really have enough of a county nexus for CCI to support it.
[1:38:10] So I think it's kind of important for us, I know about agency bringing
[1:38:21] up this week.
[1:38:22] Because a few of us have talked to you so I know someone was going to write a letter of support Gunnison and a couple other counties were going to write a letter of support.
[1:38:29] I'm not going to get CCI behind it.
[1:38:32] I would think route would as well because they're very eager to have that west of steam
[1:38:40] mode on U.S. 40.
[1:38:41] I can reach out to Sony.
[1:38:42] I think she was on that email chain, so if she wasn't on the email chain, I'll reach
[1:38:46] out to her.
[1:38:47] I can reach out to Aegean C also.
[1:38:52] So do you want to wait a week until it has a...
[1:38:58] Why don't you guys just go ahead and put something together and then because then we just
[1:39:00] fill in the blank with whatever.
[1:39:01] Okay.
[1:39:02] Okay.
[1:39:02] All right.
[1:39:03] Okay.
[1:39:03] I have a
[1:39:08] public hearing.
[1:39:09] You're 1015.
[1:39:10] Why don't we just take a break for?
[1:39:16] You can happen.
[1:39:17] Yeah.
[1:39:18] There are no remonstrances, so it doesn't have to be a public hearing.
[1:39:25] I just want to hammer through on the correspondence and calendars.
[1:39:28] Let's take a break.
[1:39:29] We'll take a quick five minute break and we'll come on back.
[1:39:32] .
[1:47:27] There's 10. 17. We went a little long on our break there. We are back in.
[1:47:37] Yeah, let's do, so we've got the public hearing for the Rotary Club of Granby, the special event permit.
[1:47:40] So
[1:47:48] I can record our Joleen Linky and because we have had no remonstrances, we can cancel the public hearing and the request is from David Brockway, the event manager of the Rotary Club in Granby requesting a special events permit to do liquor and
[1:48:06] Malt and Vina spiritual liquor at the Flying Hales Arena at 62819 U.S. Highway 40 in
[1:48:13] Granby on June 6th. June 13th, June 20th, June 27th, July 3rd, July 4th, July 5th, July 11th,
[1:48:24] July 18th, and July 25th, 20th, 26th. All this summer, and they will. Do this from 5 p.m.
[1:48:35] until 10 p.m., all fees have been paid to the state and to Grant County and the Sheriff's Office has posted a notice and
[1:48:41] no remonstraints has been received, therefore we would like to recommend approval for their request.
[1:48:50] I move that we approve the special events liquor license as
[1:48:57] presented, you know, authorize the chair to sign all applicable documents.
[1:49:01] Thank you. All those in favor. Hi.
[1:49:03] All right, a
[1:49:14] little early Mr. Johnson, we've got 10.25 AM workshop
[1:49:22] with the B.O.C.C. for migration from Granicus.
[1:49:29] Thank you, commissioners. Thomas Johnson, Grand County IT Director and Chief Information Security Officer.
[1:49:34] I have a couple of things to talk about today in this workshop. One is the Granicus Migration and then a quick update on where we're at from Google Workspace Migration Perspective.
[1:49:49] The reason we're coming to you today is because you're meeting and how citizens get to those
[1:49:54] meetings is changing, so we want to make sure that you're aware of that and on board with
[1:49:59] what we're doing.
[1:50:00] So it's not a surprise to anybody. It's on public record. So currently, we have been hosting
[1:50:09] our BOCC public meetings material in Google drives. That's a transition from using the
[1:50:17] box tool. And so that's been happening the last two meetings I believe. So today's meeting
[1:50:23] if anyone went into the meeting link, they would be presented with a Google Drive interface which looks very similar to box to find the presentations and the correspondence and things of that nature.
[1:50:42] So that's the first change that our constituents would see.
[1:50:47] So, not much difference. We need to change our vocabulary.
[1:50:52] Could referring to it as the box and start referring to Google Drive, right?
[1:50:58] Yeah. Or the Google box.
[1:51:01] Or the public meetings folder or the thing.
[1:51:06] My mother likes to say the Google, so that's the Google.
[1:51:09] Additionally,
[1:51:12] today's meeting is currently being recorded in Granicus and today those
[1:51:20] that wish to not join Zoom and just watch the live stream, which is delayed by about
[1:51:26] three minutes.
[1:51:27] But the stream on Granicus can, our next meeting on the 14th, we plan on not having that.
[1:51:36] And if people want to watch or listen or participate that they must join Zoom, because that would be our only avenue for that.
[1:51:46] In addition, we will continue to record the meetings, and then we'll be placing those meetings much like, can you go back to for any three?
[1:52:06] under recordings, you'll see that there's an MP4, which is a video.
[1:52:10] And so that's a recording of the meeting like we were doing on Granicus.
[1:52:13] So we've been doing that in parallel for a little bit since the first of the year.
[1:52:19] And so we're placing all of those recordings into the same directory structure on the public meetings drive.
[1:52:27] So that the public can get to those meetings.
[1:52:31] So, we're not really the only capability that will be different for our constituents is where they go to see the meetings or self-served to download meetings or download content that's publicly available.
[1:52:49] Are they allowed? Can you join the Zoom like anonymously, like if someone wants to watch the meeting but they don't want us to know that they're watching?
[1:52:56] obviously public comment we insist they identify themselves but if someone wants to can they join zoom and I just don't know
[1:53:03] I've never tried they can't I mean you'll you'll still see them in the meeting
[1:53:08] so they'll just be like anonymous or what have you
[1:53:11] depends on what they choose to put down for their name right
[1:53:15] fair enough okay thank you yeah
[1:53:20] but like you said this morning you said you know state your
[1:53:26] If somebody wanted to watch us without knowing that we're being watched, they should have that option.
[1:53:34] And they can go to the meeting after it's been recorded as well.
[1:53:41] So, Thomas, why are on the topic of recording what is our proposed plan as far as holding on to meeting recordings?
[1:53:52] Yep, so I'll go over a little bit of that.
[1:53:56] So in discussion with staff and reviewing the regulatory requirements, we made a decision
[1:54:04] to ensure that all of the recordings from granicus were copied to this new structure since the
[1:54:18] beginning of 2020.
[1:54:19] money, so we'll have six years of recordings.
[1:54:25] And we have updated most of the links on the website, which we'll look through in a second
[1:54:32] to reflect how to get to those easily.
[1:54:38] We haven't finalized what our retention period should be, but really regulatory requirements
[1:54:46] I wouldn't say if there is events of public interest that are significant, you should keep those in archive those, right?
[1:54:55] So as an example, if we had a special meeting about the East troublesome-
[1:55:00] And fire comes to mind that was significant, right? Or if we're, you know, selling some land and there's a large discussion about it and it's historically significant, we should keep those. But the requirement for public meetings for the official record on minutes is obviously the clerk in recorders minutes, right? These recorded meetings are a courtesy to the public.
[1:55:29] public and we based on storage and effort to migrate, we felt, you know, five, a little
[1:55:38] bit over five years now of that kind of data would be good, especially through the period
[1:55:42] of East troublesome fire and COVID and all of that.
[1:55:46] When did we start recording meetings?
[1:55:49] We started recording meetings in 2015 and these are publicly linked and there's a difference
[1:55:59] because we took every recording we ever had in Granicus and stored it, but we only linked to our website 2020 to current.
[1:56:07] Right, so if someone came in and said, boy, we really need to hear something from 2018, it's there.
[1:56:13] You could find it, but it's not linked to the website.
[1:56:17] They could put in a query request for it.
[1:56:20] It could absolutely.
[1:56:21] All right, so it's available.
[1:56:22] I have a prior request for any information that we have currently in our inventory that hasn't expired through retention periods.
[1:56:31] So they could and I would very quickly show them that they could self-service by going to the public meetings link and drilling into the year and pulling that file themselves.
[1:56:40] themselves, and they could through, would you say, 2020, right?
[1:56:46] But 2020, it's on the website, 2015, all the way, it's through the public meetings interface.
[1:56:53] So it's easier when you go to the website, and I'll show you that here in a second, I definitely want to show you that.
[1:56:59] If you go, if you go click on county commissioners there, Micah, as an example, you see a 2015 folder there, right?
[1:57:08] So if we go inside that 2015 folder and this was the very beginning of when we started doing
[1:57:14] Granicus go into that 317 will be fine. Any meeting content that we had in that Granicus might
[1:57:23] have not been fully there yet. We can go to like a 2018 but all the meeting contents there, 2015,
[1:57:31] anything we had in box or Granicus we put into these folder structures go up to 2018 or yeah that's
[1:57:38] looks like it's going to be better that
[1:57:49] of hunting and pecking in the 2015. Let's move to 2018 because
[1:58:07] got it in a second. All the content that we had has already been copied. So it's going to be
[1:58:13] hunting for. And that's the drive within our website that anybody... It's the same for every using
[1:58:18] today. That's correct. Publicly accessible because it's public content.
[1:58:24] Can we go to the website?
[1:58:28] But currently on our homepage of the website, we have two buttons. One's called agendas in minutes
[1:58:33] and listen to meetings, and that's going to change.
[1:58:36] They're going to be collapsed into one button.
[1:58:41] Currently, the listen to meetings takes us to Granicus,
[1:58:43] which we're not going to go.
[1:58:44] I'm not going to show you how we're doing it today.
[1:58:46] I'm going to show you how we're doing it next week.
[1:58:49] If you click on Agenda and Minutes,
[1:58:54] this is where all the agendas are always posted.
[1:58:56] They have been posted since beginning of time
[1:58:59] and where the clerk uploads the minutes to the meeting.
[1:59:03] And so if we go down to county commissioners, since we're in a county commissioners meeting,
[1:59:08] you'll see like today's agenda on April 7th is there, it's his tentative agenda.
[1:59:14] And if you click, that's where individuals find what's on the agenda for that meeting, right?
[1:59:19] And that's always been true.
[1:59:21] And within that agenda is the links to listen to the board of county commissioners meeting,
[1:59:26] which is the link to Zoom and how to view supporting documents for the meeting.
[1:59:33] And the viewing supporting documents takes you to that new Google Drive right now.
[1:59:38] So if you say open link, you'll see that it takes you to the current meeting of supporting
[1:59:43] documents.
[1:59:45] If we go back to that website,
[1:59:50] you'll notice some icons, so like on the March 24 meeting, there's
[1:59:55] There's a minutes column which we haven't published official minutes yet, but there is a-
[2:00:00] We have a television icon and a speaker icon. And then the very top of this web page is an explanation of the icons. But if you click on the speaker icon, that takes you to the Google Drive. That's the supporting documents. And if you go back and click on the television icon,
[2:00:20] that takes you to the recording, which is hosted on that same drive. And you can play that. That's a recorded meeting.
[2:00:29] So talk about the recordings we've had a few comments from folks that the recordings are difficult to comprehend and I'm part of the problem and I think we're all trying to do better as I'm doing right now, staying closer to the mic.
[2:00:42] Is there anything else we can do to help with clarity in that? Is there anything we can do along those lines?
[2:00:49] Yeah, the you know that if you can if you can like I can hear myself out of that back room speaker right now
[2:00:56] So I know that what's being captured is good, right?
[2:01:02] So you know the proper distance from the microphone is is the best not you know
[2:01:08] Since we do have transcripts and the recording
[2:01:12] You know stating all the things in the transcript and a formal matter will help with the transcription
[2:01:19] But that's really it.
[2:01:22] That are microphone management from the better microphone management.
[2:01:26] One of the capabilities, if you go to the video, that's the end, which is that second tab.
[2:01:37] So on the left are the public can download these files if they need to, right?
[2:01:44] So we're allowing self-service as much as possible to public content.
[2:01:52] That's all I have for the granny kiss box side of things, Ernie.
[2:01:58] How many questions concerns?
[2:02:00] So the other system that records the meeting, right, is there another, what is the clerk?
[2:02:06] Yes, so the clerk in recorder also has for the record software on her machine that also records audio.
[2:02:18] And it's fed by the same microphones that feed everything else, right?
[2:02:21] Right, but that's a secondary copy used to create the official record of the meeting minutes.
[2:02:30] And how long are we retaining those recordings?
[2:02:35] The recordings are retained in accordance with the retention requirement and the clerk can correct me where I get wrong.
[2:02:42] But I believe it's 30 days after the publishing of the meeting minutes is the requirement.
[2:02:49] how long is up to the clerk and recorder, but that's the requirement, something like 30.
[2:02:55] It's 30 or 60 days, clerk can correct me where I'm wrong.
[2:03:09] And that'd be a discussion outside of this, I can't answer that question.
[2:03:20] Just for the sake of interest, I went to January of 2016, January 6th, and
[2:03:26] clicked on that television icon, and it says this file was not playable.
[2:03:32] And yet, or being processed, or?
[2:03:37] Is this video file is unplayable?
[2:03:40] Learn more, download.
[2:03:42] Connect more apps.
[2:03:43] It's not playable through the browser,
[2:03:45] but it's playable if you download it.
[2:03:48] I see.
[2:03:49] Okay.
[2:03:50] Now there's different file formats
[2:03:51] between Granicus and what we're doing right now,
[2:03:53] so there's some technical oddities at times.
[2:03:56] What's the file format for Granicus?
[2:04:01] I think for a, I think that I, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I can get that answer to it.
[2:04:09] I mean it says MP4, but it must not be,
[2:04:15] just curious about that.
[2:04:18] One of the things I noticed on the newer recordings and more recent ones is they've got some real advantages in that you can scroll through and get to a point, you can run it at double speed or whatever you can.
[2:04:30] Exactly.
[2:04:30] Why do you think so?
[2:04:31] But the Granicus ones, maybe not.
[2:04:33] No.
[2:04:34] All right.
[2:04:36] These recordings, again, are coming from Zoom.
[2:04:39] That's correct.
[2:04:40] The new ones.
[2:04:41] The new ones.
[2:04:41] Yeah, the new ones.
[2:04:42] That's why they have the more advanced features of scrubbing and-
[2:04:46] And when did we transition to that?
[2:04:52] January 1st, Iish.
[2:04:54] It was January 1st, because we were testing it out in November, December, and started recording-
[2:05:00] Starting in January.
[2:05:06] Another question is now when I open a new tab, I think this is more
[2:05:10] like the Google migration, but I go here, I'll just open it on site. Does Internet
[2:05:16] home, whereas I used to open the Internet, I'd open a tab, and it would go right to our,
[2:05:21] you know, kind of landing page. Now just goes to Internet home, is that?
[2:05:28] Oh, I know there's
[2:05:28] just one more step. Is that the way it's always going to be, or is that just because while we're
[2:05:32] Is it always going to be that way?
[2:05:34] That's, we chose to do the intranet home because staff members are, most of your information is going to be on the internal network versus searching it on the external website.
[2:05:45] That's great.
[2:05:46] And you can also add additional tabs to your startups if you're an individual that wants to get to a different site on a regular basis and always have that tab open when you start there are some settings that you can add additional tabs.
[2:06:00] But that's, I guess my question is more that's an internal, that's for us, and that's correct, that's not like for general public terms.
[2:06:06] Okay, thank you.
[2:06:11] So just circling back to the recordings, so everything that we had from, we'll say 2015 to 2019, we still have them, they're just not.
[2:06:23] That's correct, a click away for the public.
[2:06:26] That's correct, okay.
[2:06:28] videos and public meeting content.
[2:06:30] And then we'll, so January of 2027, 2020 will drop off or wherever our retention policy is going to be a year every year previous the first year will jump drop off.
[2:06:46] So we have a sense that the quality of the recording is getting better.
[2:06:55] I know you've made some tweaks over the last two months with and also with.
[2:07:04] Yeah, we definitely had some microphone issues, some intermittent ones, and we've replaced microphones.
[2:07:10] Any time we listen to the meetings, are we here of an issue we try to address it?
[2:07:17] I think the quality is better,
[2:07:24] things happen.
[2:07:26] Right, right. I just know that we've been in some facilities. I'm sure you have two where they have a very solid system, and I don't know what they've done.
[2:07:39] But our system has been here for about a decade. So we might look at seeing if we need to do something additional.
[2:07:50] Probably has a resale value as an antique.
[2:07:53] Good.
[2:07:55] I would say, I mean, I know Towne-Winter Park, and Sarah's not here, so we can pick on Towne-Winter.
[2:07:59] They dropped a substantial amount.
[2:08:03] Yeah.
[2:08:05] I'm kind of always more of the, if it's working, there's no need to put, I mean, a new microphone system.
[2:08:11] $1,000.
[2:08:13] Oh, I think you probably a lot higher than that.
[2:08:16] Especially with the acoustics in this room.
[2:08:19] because yeah, they did the whole, like, with the drop, microphone, and all that kind of thing.
[2:08:22] I mean, they were, like, I think they were north of 60.
[2:08:27] It's being physically conservative.
[2:08:29] They still have the directional.
[2:08:30] Yeah.
[2:08:31] They still have the directional mics, but they also have those drops.
[2:08:34] Like you're talking about commissioner.
[2:08:36] And that's quite a bit of money, so.
[2:08:38] Yeah.
[2:08:40] Audio expertise is a realm that's very niche.
[2:08:45] You can get it right, or you can get it wrong.
[2:08:47] So, our still will pose a question for the three of you.
[2:08:56] No.
[2:08:57] You know exactly what I'll get to ask.
[2:09:00] Okay, I won't ask it then.
[2:09:02] I don't know.
[2:09:02] Well, I think if we turn on the microphones and get our faces closer to them,
[2:09:06] that will probably solve 90% of the problems we have.
[2:09:10] Yeah, from the old perspective, yes.
[2:09:13] Ask Merit. Merit will be the one that will give you this trade answer.
[2:09:15] So, with the amount of, you know, with the Zoom platform,
[2:09:21] the amount of presentations, the amount of people that are on Zoom,
[2:09:25] they don't see anyone on Zoom.
[2:09:32] So, you know, it is possible that each of you could turn your cameras on,
[2:09:37] on your computer, or it is possible that we, at one point,
[2:09:43] One of the commissioners talked about having a camera in the back of the room, at least seeing the room, for the person to zoom.
[2:09:52] We also talked about an option of like putting an owl on that table that would spin and go to the person that
[2:10:00] It is speaking, but it's just something to consider. I think it would be better if one of two things we could get three dummies sit in these chairs and just do a VAI, or generate an avatar that would be on the screen that would show a picture of what something looked like us so people could see it.
[2:10:22] Very mo, fairly. I mean, come on.
[2:10:28] Further discussion, I think. I go back to the issue of recordings. And since you guys have said,
[2:10:38] five years, point out that in our storage in judicial building, we have tapes of recorded
[2:10:46] meetings of the 70s.
[2:10:49] We could use that space if I was allowed to no longer keep those.
[2:10:56] I would say that's all dependent on the regulatory requirements.
[2:11:01] So we should look at that, understand what those are, get with the Secretary of State.
[2:11:08] There's two difference here, there's the granicus side of the house isn't regulatory, right?
[2:11:15] The public record side of meeting minutes and that is, so I would validate with those resources to validate that we're in proper retention of the public record.
[2:11:26] Okay, so going back to what Clerk said, public record, the minutes that documented written minutes,
[2:11:33] They're going to go back to 1874.
[2:11:36] That's right, forever.
[2:11:37] That's the true public record of documented actions taken by this board.
[2:11:42] Absolutely correct.
[2:11:43] The above official minutes are the public records.
[2:11:47] So the recordings, again, that's probably a different statute, whether it's on cassette tape or
[2:11:52] the HS or whatever, would be different.
[2:11:56] Yeah, and my investigation on the statute was, like I said, that 30 or 60 days,
[2:12:02] is that magnetic recording supporting stuff could be removed after the official ratification of the public minutes.
[2:12:12] But I'm also not the custodian for public record.
[2:12:21] The according to Gemini, trying to use the proper channels, it says executive session recordings must be held for 90 days minimum.
[2:12:30] Open public meeting recordings must be held for six months after minutes approval.
[2:12:34] official written minutes have to be permanent, and then meeting notices have to be held for two years.
[2:12:40] So I mean, I would say, so at the bare minimum, we have to follow that.
[2:12:45] And then I don't know,
[2:12:50] I think that's a separate conversation we can have, not like you're here today.
[2:12:54] So I think that's a separate conversation.
[2:12:59] And then, so that's Boxing Granicus and the other.
[2:13:05] And then the last thing I want to state is so
[2:13:09] So we've made progress with our migration in Google Workspace.
[2:13:13] We're doing some test synchronization of the email from our current platform into the
[2:13:22] Gmail which is in Google Workspace.
[2:13:25] So we anticipate having a timeline to communicate within the next week as we wrap up our tests
[2:13:32] and do our throughput measurements.
[2:13:34] So it's important for staff, if you haven't, if you access email, today it's important
[2:13:44] that you get your two-factor octa-stuff done and validate that you can get into Google
[2:13:51] Workspace because that's we're fast approaching a time where we're going to be cutting over
[2:13:57] and you will need to make sure those are validated or you will have trouble when we cut over
[2:14:03] because you won't have access to email.
[2:14:08] So just a warning, the commissioners have all validated that, so not necessarily saying it to the commissioners, it's more of a public notice.
[2:14:19] Out of the curve, yeah.
[2:14:22] Notice to employees.
[2:14:23] Notice to employees.
[2:14:26] Well, this is my name today, but maybe at a future meeting, we'll call them out in the future, yeah.
[2:14:33] Send them an email.
[2:14:34] And the last plug is tomorrow we do have a lunch and learn and we'll be covering Gmail labeling, filtering, searching, tomorrow.
[2:14:43] And the recording will be up on.
[2:14:44] That's correct, after that.
[2:14:45] After that.
[2:14:46] That's right.
[2:14:47] But it won't change our Gmail address.
[2:14:49] We'll still have the same CO.grand.co.us.
[2:14:53] That's correct, your email address will not change.
[2:14:55] It's just how you access your emails.
[2:15:00] Okay, so do you want a monkey wrench? Sure, I was using AI, that's hard to believe, but I was using AI and asking AI if Google was objective on certain polarizing political situations. And of course, the answer is that it only reports facts. When you ask the same question to Google, you get a different answer. But also in the midst of all that research and I was doing with AI and Google,
[2:15:29] Google. It came across a whole series of reports and documents since statistics saying
[2:15:37] how many people were degugling because they don't like how some of the integration works
[2:15:43] and how that some of the AI features of Google tend to have a potentially political bent
[2:15:50] to them. Have you came across any of that?
[2:15:53] Crossed it myself,
[2:15:57] I have clarified once I've gotten results because it seemed it was thinking I was asking for certain information that I wasn't.
[2:16:07] So again, I think, you know, with things like the Colorado AI Act, right, to ensure that we don't have bias and those kind of things in these AI is a hot thing right now.
[2:16:22] There are discussions in the public about what's it doing for consuming certain resources like water and electricity and those kind of things, right?
[2:16:30] So it's a tool, right?
[2:16:34] So much like Commissioner Regner said, hey, this is from AI, right?
[2:16:40] Just because it comes from AI doesn't mean it's true, right?
[2:16:42] Critical thinking.
[2:16:43] I think that's important to reiterate that.
[2:16:45] Absolutely.
[2:16:45] Absolutely necessary skill.
[2:16:46] So back in one interesting thing you can do to AI is ask a question about the amount
[2:16:52] of resources, water, and electricity that data centers consume, and you won't get really
[2:16:58] the same answer that you get when you do an independent paper that's not generated by
[2:17:03] AI.
[2:17:04] Absolutely.
[2:17:05] It talks, when you ask AI how much energy and water does AI use, ah, it's minimal in these
[2:17:11] these plans are incredibly efficient these days, but I don't think you get that same report
[2:17:17] when you just get an independent like a college research paper on that subject.
[2:17:22] Yeah, I think, you know, research hasn't changed much in many years, at least the methodology
[2:17:29] for research of gathering information and sifting through and making sure that you're properly informed
[2:17:35] And it's, you know, my opinion that everybody should remember that you're responsible for informing yourself and, you know, tools like the quick tools like any kind of search engine or AI or a news or a paper or a book, right?
[2:17:51] You got to, everybody has to understand there's always going to be by some place.
[2:17:55] And it's up to you as an individual to sit through the truth that you're looking for.
[2:17:59] So I think on that note I think if you're going to use AI to generate a paper or something for you
[2:18:05] You should make sure that AI absolutely quotes its source. Absolutely
[2:18:10] Yep, it's a legitimate source and probably it there's
[2:18:18] a lot of information on the internet and
[2:18:21] Some of it is even true
[2:18:24] Abraham Lincoln said you can't believe everything you read on the internet
[2:18:27] So that's a lot of people a lot of times and some people all the time
[2:18:33] We want to go down that rabbit hole too far today if you don't want to.
[2:18:38] Excellent. Any other questions, comments or concerns?
[2:18:44] Thanks for all the work. I know there's a lot.
[2:18:46] As we said before, it seems like this is just like click a switch and we go.
[2:18:50] But we know there's some of the scenes.
[2:18:52] The dribbles are furiously running on the wheels, getting all this stuff done.
[2:18:55] So there's a lot of handholding.
[2:18:59] Appreciate it.
[2:19:00] A lot of change but we're our teams here to support and if there's anything we can do better we will and we try to make it as transparent as possible but sometimes sometimes we can't so.
[2:19:13] Thank you commissioners.
[2:19:14] Thank you so commissioners we have a couple minutes can I go back to a county manager update I.
[2:19:23] I apologize that I did not cover this morning and I had in my notes and I skipped right over it.
[2:19:29] Please do.
[2:19:32] Commissioners, just to follow up on the pay plan, so we had an internal team including
[2:19:40] HR conduct interviews of those companies, we talked about that at last meeting in March.
[2:19:48] And we had those interviews last week and went through the proposals and just narrowed down
[2:19:55] to one company, Graves Consultants, that
[2:20:00] But have done pay plans for our sheriff's office as well as a couple of the towns in in
[2:20:07] Grand County, also got really good recommendations from Eagle County, Pitkin, some others that
[2:20:15] have quite a bit of experience. So we'll be working with them on a scope of work and
[2:20:22] And we'll in a contract that that contract is or that it is budgeted.
[2:20:28] So it's under the amount that would need to come back to you.
[2:20:33] So I just wanted to give you an update there that we're moving forward.
[2:20:47] Nine minutes before amount of parts electric updates.
[2:20:50] So what do we go do calendars?
[2:20:53] Yes, just those two calendars real quick.
[2:20:56] Are you ready, sir?
[2:20:57] I could be ready, I guess.
[2:20:59] So
[2:21:04] last week, as mentioned, we did not have a commission, meaning we had our board strategic planning retreat, as Mr.
[2:21:11] Moyer mentioned earlier,
[2:21:16] did attend the agency legislative call on Thursday, lots of bills coming through.
[2:21:22] I think one that was of note that probably should be mentioned is 1340, and actually sees eyes in the middle of this one also.
[2:21:32] So, and what it is, it's specific to Water District 2, and that's the Lower Arkansas Valley, and what it is, it's in general.
[2:21:42] It requires, when buying dry happens, it requires the buying entity, or to be an agreement, that there is some kind of re-vegetation on the dried up land, whether it be farmland or pastureland or whatever, that was formerly irrigated.
[2:21:59] it needs to, it's going to be required to be re-vegitated.
[2:22:03] So there's a bill going through, and actually on that same note, and I did it bring it up on the A.G.N.C. call, but also yesterday, I volunteered because I don't know where to say no.
[2:22:15] To be on a CCI kind of a working group on that same bill, because CCI is considering taking a position on it also.
[2:22:23] And so there was several of us on there from kind of from all over the state.
[2:22:27] State, Westlope, Eastlope and CCI put together kind of a stakeholder group and I of course
[2:22:34] mentioned how we are affected by some of that here and obviously this bill is not retroactive
[2:22:38] and in its current form it's just that district two, which is the lower arc valley, South East
[2:22:46] Colorado, but it does and some counties have already special use permit process in place
[2:22:56] or 1041 powers that they can require that if there's going to be a buy and drive of land.
[2:23:01] So there's a bill coming around, it's still, I think CCI's position at this point was just to dig into it monitor, and I think, and it was brought up at the, well,
[2:23:11] Commissioner George and I worked both there at the Farm Bureau meeting, that they are taking a position.
[2:23:17] I think their position is a men, they're looking for some amendments that would clarify some of the things on this bill.
[2:23:23] So, more to come on that, but apparently there's still some more stakeholder to do on that.
[2:23:29] I didn't offer a grandcantic position because I even talked to you all about that, but
[2:23:33] I did offer some input of things that I know about.
[2:23:36] But keep that one in mind as we go forth.
[2:23:39] And Ashley on that, no, I covered all three of the W's yesterday with Zoom.
[2:23:45] So we got, we get the water because I had that CCI working group with that water bill.
[2:23:49] and then I had a wildfire bill or wildfire meeting,
[2:23:55] Grand Canyon Wildfire Council, which I'm on the board of that.
[2:23:59] And then I had a wolf coalition call after that.
[2:24:02] So I covered all the W's yesterday, all on Monday.
[2:24:07] So that was my three meetings yesterday, and that is probably it for me.
[2:24:10] Upcoming would be agency
[2:24:21] call, again on Thursday probably.
[2:24:22] I think we've got those permanently noticed.
[2:24:25] I think we're, I have a tentative call,
[2:24:28] All skidded for Congressman Neguse on Wednesday, tomorrow Wednesday at 8.45.
[2:24:35] That on my calendar as well as that.
[2:24:39] I think it's not individuals, it's a reach out to a bunch of county commissioners.
[2:24:44] So I think it's just a call that he's reaching out to.
[2:24:46] But I probably will attend that, having on my calendar.
[2:24:50] So that should be noticed?
[2:24:52] That's probably should be noticed.
[2:24:53] And then this Friday, there's a Club 20 Executive Committee meeting at 8.
[2:25:00] And then the CCI committee briefing where they just come over, they just go over briefly all the bills, through all the committees that they're going to be talking about as that noon. I think Commissioner Regner usually attends those also. Don't take positions on those bills, but CCI at that time, but that's at, again, being Zoom at 12 to 130. CCI legislative committee briefing.
[2:25:25] And I think that would be it for me.
[2:25:32] Well, wait, wait, wait. On the middle W, the big conversation on the wildfire committee.
[2:25:37] Council was there's a proposal coming through that would possibly involve the Welfare Council to be a sponsor.
[2:25:44] There's some, I guess some interest in using goats for Welfare mitigation in terms of removing forage.
[2:25:51] And so, that's a connection to the Welfare Council.
[2:25:54] That's why the key mop on this meeting, it was the most part, most of the discussion on the meeting,
[2:25:58] and some of the town of Granby's property that's sort of on the edges of more urban parts of Granby.
[2:26:04] So, that's what that was about.
[2:26:05] I have a thing, Sue, but that was a big topic.
[2:26:08] Goats for wildfire.
[2:26:11] What was first of a sudden, well, where?
[2:26:14] It should be noted that our meeting at the Farm Bureau meeting on Saturday was incidental.
[2:26:22] It was very incidental.
[2:26:23] I didn't want to listen to the other, but he's been coming to the last minute.
[2:26:26] So that was good to see all those folks and talk about a variety of things, but.
[2:26:33] But is there legislative update, as you know, Farm Bureau has a very strong legislative arm supporting at the state and federal level, so they just came locally.
[2:26:45] So, tomorrow I have an insurance committee meeting and I wanted to know is that, is the presentation, I assume hub is doing a presentation, right?
[2:26:59] And are they doing that virtually, or are they here in person, or I'm trying to figure
[2:27:04] out whether it's important for me to be in this room, or whether I should attend virtually?
[2:27:09] Link on the calendar invitation from Kelsey, so I'm assuming that we can attend virtually
[2:27:15] if that works better.
[2:27:16] Do we assume that she is coming here or not?
[2:27:19] I don't know for a fact, but I can find out and let you know.
[2:27:21] She's coming here, I'll come, right, but otherwise I'll probably zoom in.
[2:27:26] We'll find out for you.
[2:27:27] All right, not that I don't want to be with you all, but I don't know how to understand
[2:27:33] Anyway, I'll I'll circle back right then. There's a Northwest TPR meeting on Thursday morning and then Ed mentions that
[2:27:42] we have a
[2:27:44] Blue River lower Blue River working group
[2:27:46] on Thursday
[2:27:51] afternoon and are you going over to that or are you going to do that virtually?
[2:27:57] I will likely do it virtually because of another meeting, I have two other meetings.
[2:28:04] Right, I may try to go over there in person then.
[2:28:07] I'll be joining the wait.
[2:28:17] It's on Thursday at 9 a.m.
[2:28:21] And it's virtual.
[2:28:26] And then as Ed mentioned, we're taking a tour of some of the work that's planned for the Blue River, the Blue Valley Ranch.
[2:28:36] just river improvements that they're talking about that all are part of that
[2:28:41] whole land exchange work that's going on that way. And then I hope you don't
[2:28:48] think any of the other commissioners are going. And then I don't know if you
[2:28:52] all any of you are going learning by doing as a fundraiser in Winter Park on Saturday.
[2:29:00] today, right, so that doesn't need to be noticed.
[2:29:06] What was that?
[2:29:07] It's probably not on your calendar.
[2:29:10] It's at the big trout brewing in Winner Park from 5 to 7, and it's kind of a fundraiser
[2:29:17] thing for it.
[2:29:18] Fires out there, we can forward it on to you guys.
[2:29:23] Okay, so we should notice that Friday, the, or spread me Saturday, the 11th from 5 p.m.
[2:29:29] to seven at the big trout brewing in Winner Park.
[2:29:35] Big, big, is in Bigley.
[2:29:38] And it has a picture to go along with that notice,
[2:29:45] so we've got those things.
[2:29:49] It's a joke.
[2:29:51] But I really do have a picture of a big fish.
[2:30:03] An 11 o'clock mountain parks. I've had several meetings last week in the couple days with Grand Places 2050. They're getting survey out. We've been working diligently to make sure all communities are being represented in that survey, making sure everything we're just getting out on all of that on a
[2:30:24] human services Zoom call. And we're getting closer from where the state put their heads
[2:30:35] If you hand it approach, we'll put that down to all the folks at CCI here and especially
[2:30:42] and Deb actually, who's not here, but Deb Rutberg, all the human services directors
[2:30:47] really are working hard to embrace what the state's doing while protecting our local
[2:30:53] control of things.
[2:30:54] So it was really informative meeting and it's good to see that group just like not just accepting
[2:31:01] what the state has said.
[2:31:02] And I think we're going to get come at the end in a good place,
[2:31:06] whereas, you know, when the stage is first knocked this down,
[2:31:09] everybody's thrown it was pretty traumatic.
[2:31:13] I appreciate the updates that we get via email.
[2:31:16] Good, nice.
[2:31:17] I had a good conversation with Deb yesterday during our regular meeting.
[2:31:21] It sounds like the district team is off the table now.
[2:31:28] Now they're leaning toward these cohorts.
[2:31:31] Is that the right term?
[2:31:32] Yeah.
[2:31:33] So, but at the end of the update that Deb provided, I guess my question is, is there a chance that this bill could end up?
[2:31:50] Like a few other bills in the past where they decided just to sort of pivot and form a committee to really take a deeper dive to come up with a better-
[2:32:01] A better structure and a framework and something that has more input and a better process than cramming it down.
[2:32:10] I would at this point say anything is possible.
[2:32:13] You know, I mean, the big thing, I mean, like you kind of remember is like, you know, the state is kind of,
[2:32:17] it was, we were actually down at CCI.
[2:32:18] There was like, this is how you're going to do this from now on.
[2:32:20] And, you know, as a radical change to the way we do business.
[2:32:23] And, um, did a lot of things and the biggest concern for a lot of us was the removal of local control.
[2:32:29] and the big one being like they're eliminating the mistakes, potential fraud and all that
[2:32:35] kind of thing was your big thing. Was there a big thing for this proposal?
[2:32:42] I think the greatest way to eliminate all these fraud is to have local control, have people
[2:32:48] walk into your office that you know and you're making sure they're not, you know, just arriving
[2:32:53] around a porous or something. Well, doing these things.
[2:32:55] So, and I feel like while there are some
[2:33:00] errant counties, I feel like overall,
[2:33:03] the majority of our human services
[2:33:05] directors are actually really good at what they do.
[2:33:08] And I think the other thing that's coming out of this,
[2:33:10] we'll see if anything happens, but is just mind numbing
[2:33:14] them out of paperwork, changes that these guys are subjected
[2:33:19] to year in and year out.
[2:33:21] Where like, oh, before you did this form that's 45 pages,
[2:33:23] now we're going to give you another one that's 75 pages
[2:33:25] that's totally different, and, you know, that would be the big thing, if that could really
[2:33:30] come out of this, like, hey, let's simplify this, and it seems like that's a really big
[2:33:35] pushback, too, as well. So a lot of this up is on a federal level, so we can't do much about it.
[2:33:43] Well, that would be a huge victory in doing these cohort groups where we're going to work together
[2:33:47] and do best practices and maybe share some services as opposed to having these regional hubs.
[2:33:54] I mean, if you remember, I see some people were just like having arms about this whole thing.
[2:33:58] And rightfully so, it was really heavy-handed on the state's part to just be like, we're
[2:34:03] not going to talk to anybody that runs these departments until you have a better way to
[2:34:06] do business.
[2:34:09] Anyways, it was great meeting those updates are terrific and it's just kind of good to
[2:34:12] be on those.
[2:34:14] You like I said, I went on Thursday, it was a Thursday, I went to Grand Lake for the meeting
[2:34:21] about the bus routes from Grammy to Grand Lake, which was earthly attended, which I took
[2:34:30] a really good sign that there wasn't a huge crowd with pitchforks and out there fighting
[2:34:38] against this thing. So it seemed like it was really well received. I think that's moving
[2:34:43] forward at a good pace. If it's going to be, if we can get these folks to so-to-springs
[2:34:48] on board.
[2:34:51] On Monday, yesterday, I had a winter park freezer governance group meeting and that doesn't really pertain as much.
[2:35:01] Countywide, but the town of Winter Park, the ski area, and the town of Frazier are really trying to get more in lockstep with what they do with. Bands, how they put the information out, how they're doing it, how they're marketing, and there's a lot of talk about, you know, the why of the event. So, you know, why are we doing some of these events? And it's a really good, good talk. It was pretty, as
[2:35:24] I said, I went to the Winter Park Tech, the Transit Advisory Committee, and a lot of talk about,
[2:35:30] So, taking a look at the IGA and modernizing it and getting it moving forward and, you know,
[2:35:38] where the routes are, there's a big push when a park is going to get a huge, they're
[2:35:44] going to try some micro transit, which I think will hopefully eliminate some of the costs
[2:35:51] and then as well make these more efficient, because sometimes you see these, you know, just
[2:35:55] big buses driving in their half empty, you know, and if you place some of those with some
[2:35:59] of these micro-transits, it's very impressive.
[2:36:02] I mean, Chuck McCarthy, the Winter Park Transit Director,
[2:36:04] is a pretty very knowledgeable guy,
[2:36:07] and he's kind of looking at every solution.
[2:36:13] It's good to be a part of those meetings,
[2:36:15] he's good to be there.
[2:36:20] Friday, because of the steering committees,
[2:36:24] we've got this call with Joe, which we noticed,
[2:36:28] and that unfortunately overlaps with the last,
[2:36:32] Last or not the last, but the next grandplaces, seeing
[2:36:38] that.
[2:36:40] One day, I plan on attending the Frazier River Bell.
[2:36:53] I'll pop up on my calendar, a Winter Park Advisory Committee meeting on Tuesday.
[2:36:59] Just thank you, thank you.
[2:37:02] One real quick thing that I should mention is that at the bill that we've been working on,
[2:37:07] the 1239, the code enforcement bill that we have been working on, along with Morgan County and others.
[2:37:13] I spoke on that bill on the second on what is that Wednesday?
[2:37:20] At 1.30 and as did Shira, our assistant county attorney, and some other commissioners too.
[2:37:26] It was in front of the Senate local government and housing committee and that passed out of committee with a 50 vote.
[2:37:32] It was unanimous and it was moved to go to the Senate floor on the consent agenda as Max mentioned this morning, which means that it can be pulled for discussion.
[2:37:42] But it's all, it's actually kind of a logistics and scheduling thing.
[2:37:46] If it's on the contingent, and then they just approve it as a whole, and it goes through, gets to get signed.
[2:37:51] So, good news.
[2:37:53] That's great.
[2:37:54] That's really going forward.
[2:37:55] Yeah.
[2:37:56] Appreciate all the shares work on that, so you've been super helpful with that.
[2:38:01] And Max, too.
[2:38:03] Under the finish line, with 1008, that committee has, you know, I was on that committee with CCI has sort of,
[2:38:11] I'm really glad that I sat on that and I think that we, we pushed, we added a lot of guardrails onto that, we pushed, I think that that legislation had gone through, it's just originally written, not great for us.
[2:38:25] Not well received, and I think that's, but I think it would have passed, I think it would have passed.
[2:38:39] in there, so.
[2:38:40] I'm real blank, always tell opposed to that, which I understand.
[2:38:43] I get it, I get theirs too, but I also think that this is the best case scenario on that one.
[2:38:48] And I agree with Kelly, I'm not a lot of her statements on that, but I also kind of,
[2:38:54] after you fight, fight, fight, and fight, and get 90% of what you ask for, you kind of have to.
[2:38:58] At some point, acquiesce and go with the flow, so I feel like it was good.
[2:39:04] Good, I think that'll be good legislation going forward.
[2:39:06] All right, so we're a little behind now.
[2:39:11] 1109, we've got our non-partial electric update.
[2:39:14] I believe somebody's out there.
[2:39:19] Sir,
[2:39:25] he's got an MPE vest on, so I think this is our guy.
[2:39:27] It's probably the guy.
[2:39:29] You could come sit right here at the table.
[2:39:32] If there's a table, if there's a table, you can pull up extra chairs, whatever we need.
[2:39:35] Oh, wow, all right.
[2:39:38] Sorry, we were ahead of schedule, and then we fell a little behind schedule.
[2:39:41] So really we've got a couple more chairs and you'll have a microphone there for the millions who are listening
[2:39:51] All over the world
[2:40:05] Good, thank you for coming today.
[2:40:09] Presentation, you guys have access to this? We do, yes.
[2:40:17] We'll put up on the big screens so everybody can on Zoom can see it, but we can see it here too. And if you would just introduce yourselves so that the listening millions will know who is here from mountain parks. I'm Aaron Street. I'm over remember relations and communications at mountain parks. I'm Virginia Harmon. I'm the CEO at mountain parks.
[2:40:42] I'm Adam Paulson. I'm the VP of operations.
[2:40:51] Thanks for having us.
[2:40:52] Thanks for coming.
[2:40:54] So I guess I'll just kick us off really quickly.
[2:40:57] And then we're going to kind of all share the presentation.
[2:41:00] So we have quite a few topics to cover and we'll probably go through the presentation relatively quickly.
[2:41:06] And then open it up to any type of questions that you guys have,
[2:41:10] any other topics that you want to go over.
[2:41:13] But certainly feel free to interact and stop us and slow us down if you want.
[2:41:16] but we just want to be sure to say plenty of time for discussion on any topics that don't cover that you guys are interested in.
[2:41:23] So we understood that you wanted to hear a little bit about kind of our rate setting, our rates in general,
[2:41:29] that you've been getting some comments and questions from people throughout the community about electric rates.
[2:41:34] So we've got, I would say the lion's share of our presentation is about our rates.
[2:41:39] So we'll go through that first and I will have Eric kind of lead that portion of the presentation.
[2:41:44] And then we get into kind of our infrastructure, what it takes to provide new service, what
[2:41:50] new service processes are, how we get electricity to people, whether or not we have enough electricity
[2:41:57] to supply new needs.
[2:41:58] I know that tends to be a question in this area and Adam, our VP of operations will address
[2:42:03] the majority of those types of topics.
[2:42:06] And then we kind of have an open-ended section towards the end that we kind of deemed miscellaneous
[2:42:11] or other that's got a mix of things that we think are important for you guys to know about,
[2:42:16] that we're working on, and then kind of data centers. We'll quick little slide on data centers
[2:42:20] that Erin and I will probably tag team that section. So that's how we plan to work through this.
[2:42:25] If you don't have any questions about that, I'm going to go on and turn it over to Eric to start talking
[2:42:29] about rates.
[2:42:33] I just want to start by saying we're certain for
[2:42:54] our residential members, which
[2:42:55] challenges
[2:43:03] and we have a slide coming up in just a moment.
[2:43:28] So on this slide, this is the one that I
[2:43:40] see that like the U.S. Colorado cost per kilowatt hour increase the fall.
[2:43:49] One of the things I would want to highlight is just the
[2:44:00] gap in between it.
[2:44:02] You know, we can only manage that for so long.
[2:44:22] So as far as our rates go, we utilize, and this is very common.
[2:44:29] We utilize what's called a cost of service study.
[2:44:33] The cost of service study is intended to be like a neutral third party,
[2:44:38] that's an industry expert in setting rates.
[2:44:40] And there's essentially three steps to it.
[2:44:42] They figure out what is a utility's revenue requirement?
[2:44:47] What is the cost that's created by each rate class?
[2:44:52] And then they do a rate design to try and do their very best to pass on the cost to each rate class as the costs are created.
[2:44:59] Thank you.
[2:45:00] And again, it's just meant to be neutral third party, so subjective, and it's defensible that way. One thing that's worth highlighting here, that last bullet point is just mountain parks is a not for profit. So while we might have positive margins, profit is not our end goal. We can go to the next slide, please. I'm going to enter appropriately on that cost of service study piece every time that we have done a rate increase over the past.
[2:45:29] last few years and we've done three in a row now.
[2:45:32] We have used a cost of service study each time to determine how exactly we would implement
[2:45:38] the rate increase, which classes would go up by which amounts and where we would need
[2:45:43] to collect that revenue essentially.
[2:45:46] So don't go about making rate changes without doing a cost of service.
[2:45:51] Perfect.
[2:45:52] Thank you.
[2:45:54] Just a quick comparison here of an investor-owned utility, we commonly call it an IOU.
[2:46:00] But the cooperative model versus the investor-owned utility, we would be a not-for-profit.
[2:46:05] We're owned by our members, like I said a moment ago, we might have positive margins.
[2:46:09] But if we do have positive margins, we really just have two sources.
[2:46:13] We either reinvest those positive margins, or we return them to our members in what's called a retirement.
[2:46:19] It's a retirement of capital credits, is what we call it.
[2:46:21] Can you explain what you mean by reinvest those margins?
[2:46:24] Correct.
[2:46:25] So any time that, and I'll get to this in a moment as well but, you know, utilities really need to have a certain amount of replenishment of their fixed assets if you will.
[2:46:37] You know our fixed assets do depreciate and degrade over time and we want to reinvest in those and make sure that they're reliable.
[2:46:43] It's a core part of our mission statement.
[2:46:45] And so, you know, those funds for those fixed assets they typically either come from debt or they have to come from equity.
[2:46:52] And so in this case, if we have pos- excuse me, if they have- if we have positive margins,
[2:46:56] those positive margins serve as the member portion of the equity to help finance those fixed assets.
[2:47:02] Like,
[2:47:05] please want to call us.
[2:47:07] Yes.
[2:47:07] Yeah.
[2:47:08] Please, can I ask a question or a question?
[2:47:09] Please.
[2:47:10] So you also said retirement is the other one, how does that work?
[2:47:13] Is that where it goes back to the members or when does that all happen or how does that even work?
[2:47:18] Yeah, so the way capital credits work is if there's- if there's a year where there's a positive
[2:47:22] of margin those capital credits get allocated to the members as done on a gross margin basis.
[2:47:29] And then but they might not get retired for many years down the road.
[2:47:32] It could be 30 years down the road.
[2:47:33] It varies from cooperative to cooperative.
[2:47:35] The most co-ops tend to run on about a 20 to 25 year schedule for actually retiring those capital credits.
[2:47:43] So they can always be-
[2:47:43] When you say retired and you're paid to the members, check to the members, check to the members.
[2:47:48] Okay, allocation is we earn those dollars this year.
[2:47:51] We earned the $100 this year, we allocate the $100 amongst all of our members.
[2:47:55] Retired is when the member gets that check.
[2:47:58] So very standard across electric co-ops, many co-ops not just electric, but
[2:48:02] most co-ops across the country, 20, 25 years for the actual check going to the members is the typical retirement schedule.
[2:48:09] Because that is like Eric said, that's the co-ops money for investing in the infrastructure keeping the co-op going for all of his members.
[2:48:16] So we, Mountain Parks was on about a 25-year-ish rotation the last couple of years we have not done a retirement in the last couple of years now.
[2:48:26] We retire typical states and things like that when those are continuing to be retired, but we haven't done a general retirement in two years.
[2:48:37] This isn't an exact analogy.
[2:48:39] I came from an investor owned utility before I was at Mountain Parks.
[2:48:42] And in my mind, the way I could translate it is it's somewhat similar to like a stock buyback or a stock repurchase.
[2:48:49] It's different.
[2:48:50] It's a little bit of an oversimplification.
[2:48:52] Part of the reason for the prompting of my question is I researched, I checked in the mail not long ago, from a co-op in Wyoming, because I used to live there.
[2:49:00] And I put the electric bills there and they sent me a check in the mail to my surprise as you showed up.
[2:49:05] Yeah, I'm about to start getting checks from Montana because it's been about 20 years since I was a member there on
[2:49:13] a 20, 25-year cycle is pretty standard for co-ops and I'm not trying to, I'm just trying to understand because I've been asked this like, what is the rationale for keeping the money for 20 years?
[2:49:23] It's the reinvestment into the system, so that is part of our operating fund, right, is to have those that equity so put the money in you invested and then in 20 years we get the principal back and you guys keep the.
[2:49:34] So, imagine it this way, imagine if we had equity, let's say we had member equity of $50 million and we retired it every year.
[2:49:41] That means we have to come up with $50 million every year to make that retirement happen.
[2:49:45] So, that becomes like a cash flow issue.
[2:49:48] Whereas if we trickle it out over 20, 25, 30 years, whatever that time frame is, that's where it helps smooth out your cash flows.
[2:49:54] Okay, I was asked that question. I was like I don't know but we'll be meeting with them here soon
[2:50:00] We think about the fact that because we are not for profit, all of our funding either comes from the members are from debt, and if we're taking it out as debt, who's paying for the debt are members, right? And so that debt goes into our rates. So one way or the other are members are paying for it in the better way, the more financially responsible way to pay for those assets is through using those credits for that period of time. Without the choppy water by doing it that way.
[2:50:27] Yeah, so in utilities you typically would align the financing if you could like in an ideal world
[2:50:32] you would align it to the life of the asset and that would be would be with both debt and equity.
[2:50:37] So imagine that we put in 10 million dollars of new assets today that you all have to
[2:50:43] pay part of but then in five years you all move out and somebody else moves into your homes.
[2:50:48] You shouldn't have to pay for that whole 10 million you should pay for the five years worth
[2:50:51] and then whoever moves into your home should pay for that future portion of it and so that's why it's
[2:50:56] kind of structured that way, if that makes sense.
[2:50:59] Big sense, thank you.
[2:51:00] Yep, you're welcome.
[2:51:00] And just an added element on that, you know,
[2:51:03] mountain parks donates to different causes.
[2:51:07] The scholarship fund is a big one,
[2:51:08] but such as the criminaling gym renovation,
[2:51:11] the board was able to donate to that
[2:51:12] because of unclaimed capital credits.
[2:51:15] So if you're a former place in Wyoming,
[2:51:17] if they couldn't contact you or didn't have your address,
[2:51:20] that would have gone into the unclaimed capital credits fund.
[2:51:24] That's what the donations come from.
[2:51:26] We try to make that clear to members that this isn't coming from a rate, so this is coming from a high point.
[2:51:33] Okay.
[2:51:33] And there are rules within the state of Colorado on how cooperatives can use unclean capital credits funds.
[2:51:39] We can't just like put that back into our general fund, right?
[2:51:42] So we do have some members who say, well, why are you giving money to this and that and yet you're raising our rates?
[2:51:47] Well, it's because those are unclean capital credits and there are restrictions as to how we can use them.
[2:51:51] and education is one community giving us one.
[2:51:56] You have to be a good message to reiterate for people
[2:51:58] because I think that we heard that a lot.
[2:52:01] It's like,
[2:52:04] keep trying.
[2:52:05] I'm having a hard time with the tough topic.
[2:52:07] It is.
[2:52:09] It is.
[2:52:09] It is.
[2:52:09] It is.
[2:52:09] It is.
[2:52:09] It is.
[2:52:10] It is.
[2:52:25] I told you.
[2:52:26] We're all in a data with communication these days.
[2:52:28] All right.
[2:52:29] I mean, so it's hard to get it across.
[2:52:32] I think before I move on from this slide, the last thing that I really wanted to highlight
[2:52:36] is in contrast to an investor owned utility, we're locally governed, our board members are
[2:52:42] elected.
[2:52:43] So I just think that's an important differentiator.
[2:52:46] I kind of like the acronym for the investor owned utility though.
[2:52:49] Hi, I'm here.
[2:52:53] I think one thing I will point out here though, sorry to keep interrupting, but I have a tendency
[2:52:58] to do this. One thing about IOUs versus co-ops, and we hear it a lot from a lot of our membership
[2:53:05] has, you know, lives in Denver also, lives here. You know, they have, they have experience with IOUs
[2:53:10] like Excel energy where the rates might be lower. There's a big difference between a utility that
[2:53:17] has density of, say, 2 to 300 meters per mile of line, then a utility that has a density
[2:53:22] of 12 meters per mile of line. So we have that mile of line. We have 12 meters on that
[2:53:27] mile of line to recollect the cost associated with maintaining, building, everything to
[2:53:33] deal with that mile of line. An IOU and downtown Denver, or Colorado Springs
[2:53:38] or wherever, may have 300 meters on that same mile of line. It's a lot more affordable to
[2:53:46] run a utility with 300 meters on a mile of line than it is with 12 meters on a mile of line.
[2:53:50] That's a big difference, a big differentiator between a cooperative and an IOU is that density
[2:53:56] piece and it does drive cost.
[2:53:58] Would that be an accurate or would you, is 12, would that be the, 12 is ours?
[2:54:02] 12 is ours.
[2:54:03] That is ours.
[2:54:03] 12 meters per mile of line.
[2:54:04] Yes, sir.
[2:54:07] That fits with the population density grand counties about eight people per square mile.
[2:54:11] And we don't just serve grand county, we also serve Jackson, you got to remember our density
[2:54:16] includes that as well.
[2:54:17] I don't think Jackson's population density is even one person per square mile.
[2:54:23] I think it's a fraction, I point.
[2:54:25] I don't want to speak out of term, but I believe it's the least.
[2:54:33] There are four meters per mile, okay, and that's good to know also.
[2:54:38] Four meters per mile, okay, got it.
[2:54:42] Scratch all of that from the record.
[2:54:43] We do not know how many moves there are per mile of one.
[2:54:45] There are the number of one grass, hay, producing county in the state, just so you know.
[2:54:49] But the density does matter when it comes to cost, which is us.
[2:54:55] So the next two slides, the graphs, they're from a study called the Lawrence Berkeley
[2:54:59] at least.
[2:55:00] It's easy to find online, but if anybody wants it, I'm happy to send them the link. One thing I'd want to highlight here to start is mountain parks were a distribution cooperative, so we would be associated with the green line on this graph. The next thing that's important to understand purchase power, which is also made up of transmission, represents about 50% of our operating expenses each year. And so transmission being that red line, any increase there is going to put pressure on our cost of purchase power.
[2:55:30] And then something else that's important to point out from a transmission standpoint,
[2:55:37] there's a, it's called an RTO, regional transmission organization, it's evolving right now,
[2:55:42] and it's going to impact us.
[2:55:44] And basically, the best way I've thought of to explain it is an RTO will shift it from
[2:55:50] where we've had structured and predictable transmission costs.
[2:55:54] And it's going to, the two factors that really are going to impact it is it's going to have
[2:55:58] congestion pricing, and then there's going to be regional infrastructure costs.
[2:56:03] And those are things that we don't have control over that could put cost pressure on transmission, and therefore our purchase power.
[2:56:13] The next slide, the capital expense slide.
[2:56:17] So this is the one that I think really speaks to some of the headwinds that we face.
[2:56:24] Again, we would be the green distribution line on here.
[2:56:28] So, in this period, you know, we spoke earlier about the need to be constantly replenishing and keeping up with your fixed assets, your capital expenditures.
[2:56:38] And at the beginning of this period, if the utility had $5 million of capital work that they needed to do each year, by the end of this period, that number needed to be closer to about $7.5 million if they wanted to keep up.
[2:56:51] And that's not a one-time thing.
[2:56:54] That's like a new normal that a utility has to be able to contend.
[2:56:59] And again, the red line being transmission, that's the second biggest part of our purchase
[2:57:05] power cost.
[2:57:06] And so again, that's going to have some downstream impacts as they have to invest in their
[2:57:10] infrastructure.
[2:57:14] On the next slide, this next slide is just a broad highlight.
[2:57:17] This is from NERC.
[2:57:20] And so in the middle it talks about how the winner peak demand is expected to jump by around 18%.
[2:57:28] The reason that significant is mountain parks is a winter peaking system, we peak in January.
[2:57:33] And then the other part that's in bold at the end of this, that there's a need for
[2:57:38] substantial generation and transmission investment over the next 10 years.
[2:57:43] And, again, that's going to have an impact and likely put pressure on our purchase power
[2:57:47] costs.
[2:57:48] So, again, a big chunk of our operating expenses.
[2:57:51] I jump back to your two graphs a minute ago.
[2:57:55] Yes, please.
[2:57:56] So, both of those graphs show a very dramatic increase in the distribution side of things,
[2:58:03] which is primarily what you're doing.
[2:58:07] And yet, quite a bit more than inflation, and yet the graph above where you show your
[2:58:16] rates, they have basically just over a course of time aid flat during that same period.
[2:58:27] What was that possible?
[2:58:29] That's part of the challenge that we're facing right now.
[2:58:32] Now we are rates were kept low during a period of time where there were significant inflationary pressures.
[2:58:40] We are now facing the pressure of catching up with that, which is part of what we've seen over the last three years where our rate increases.
[2:58:50] The reason that we included these last three graphs, so these two, I think the one you're looking at, so these two that look like this.
[2:58:59] And then also this information about NERC is to just let you guys know that what these national trends have done over the same period of time where mountain parks kept their rates low and the trends that we're still seeing to continue to show pressure on electric rates across the nation, we're still facing those headwinds.
[2:59:17] So, just to kind of lay the groundwork for, these pressures are not getting better, right?
[2:59:26] It's getting harder.
[2:59:27] And yeah, we kept our rates low during a period of time where there was significant inflation.
[2:59:31] So, is that possible because you deferred some of the need developments, improvements in the system?
[2:59:41] I was not here during that period of time, so I would struggle to speak to what was deferred
[2:59:51] or not deferred over those.
[2:59:52] Somehow you were able to keep your rates low and still keep the power on.
[2:59:58] There's likely work that probably
[3:00:00] I think we could have been done during those periods of time that now we have more work that needs to be done. I mean, Adam, do you want to speak to any, do you feel like, or maybe we don't have to? I'm just curious because you see one graph going like this and the other one like this, you can say, how is that even possible? Well, I mean, that's part of, I guess I won't, I won't have you speak to that, Adam. I will say that the graph back on this slide. Right. We go back to that. Yeah, during that same period, you stayed flat on your rights. We stayed flat. Yeah. We needed to, we needed to be raising rights during that period of time.
[3:00:29] And so the way that you get by with not raising rates, when you've got that type of inflationary pressure is either by deferring maintenance or by not hiring people that you need or by, you know, there's all different kinds of things right?
[3:00:45] I mean, there's lots of different things that you great slow when you've got those customers.
[3:00:52] Well, you know, we went through a period of time where things were tight and
[3:00:57] we did not do much in the way of asphalt maintenance.
[3:01:03] And then we went through a period recently of the last, what, six years,
[3:01:09] five years at least of playing catch-up.
[3:01:11] Catch-up, right?
[3:01:12] spending a lot more on that. And we're now we're kind of seeing that maybe after this next year we will be
[3:01:19] Back to where we should have been had we not deferred all that and that's what I would say discraft shows, right?
[3:01:25] So you see that the last couple years we've been catching up right dramatically, but still you're right at inflation where the others are way above it
[3:01:33] Yes, sir
[3:01:33] That's right, and I would say that on top of that now we've got these trends that are continuing, right?
[3:01:39] Right.
[3:01:40] The last two slides that I've shown you.
[3:01:41] Right.
[3:01:41] And this information from NURK saying, now we're seeing this great increase in expected
[3:01:47] load in the winters which puts pressure on the national grid.
[3:01:51] So despite the fact that now we are caught up, I see national headwind still coming our way.
[3:01:57] That's what I'm saying, which is a concerning message I know.
[3:02:02] Thank you.
[3:02:04] Yeah, for whatever it's worth, I came from the investor owned utilities.
[3:02:09] they were water and wastewater utilities throughout rural Arizona and it is a cautionary tale and that was
[3:02:15] honestly part of our business model where we would
[3:02:17] buy these
[3:02:19] under capitalized and over depreciated utilities and reinvested them but it's not it's not good for
[3:02:24] anybody because it creates rage shock for the consumer it's it's a big
[3:02:29] project lift to tackle for the administrative team so it's good to normalize and
[3:02:34] And you know, in the decisions at the past, because I wasn't here to make those decisions
[3:02:43] and it's always dangerous to go back and make statements about things you weren't a part
[3:02:49] of.
[3:02:50] A lot of utilities in the early, you know, you talk about 2020 to 2022, those years in particular,
[3:02:59] we all saw crazy spikes in cost associated with COVID and everything that was happening
[3:03:04] with a supply chain and supply chain was really disrupted in our industry and I think there
[3:03:09] were a lot of utilities that were cautious to say well are these permanent changes or
[3:03:15] these temporary changes and so to make a rate increase, to base rate increases on what could
[3:03:22] potentially be temporary changes.
[3:03:26] Maybe not a great idea either. So there could have been just some
[3:03:29] hesitancy on the part of the board and the management leadership at that time to make permanent changes
[3:03:34] is to address what could have been temporary problems
[3:03:38] or temporary cost pressures, as we've seen,
[3:03:41] they've not been temporary.
[3:03:42] And sometimes only time will tell
[3:03:43] whether or not those things are temporary.
[3:03:46] I was on the school board
[3:03:47] when we were building the school during COVID.
[3:03:49] It was like, I mean, we were pivoting on materials
[3:03:52] and, you know, like when we were doing steel,
[3:03:55] and I'm like, oh, you know, we're doing Mason right now,
[3:03:56] so I have a lot of empathy for that.
[3:03:59] I think it's, that was kind of the hard thing.
[3:04:01] Is this a forever or is this, so what do we do?
[3:04:04] And then the other question I was going to kind of get without, I'm going to open up a huge rabbit hole.
[3:04:09] Hopefully we don't have to dive too far down it.
[3:04:10] But obviously we have demand dates from the governor about lowering our footprint and all the other stuff.
[3:04:17] And I know that has a huge impact on the guys that it's concerning.
[3:04:22] We remember as a CCI and we hear these things are ficing and then supply as well.
[3:04:31] And I remember talking about trying to push it back to 2040.
[3:04:35] You remember that I think you were there too, it was a club 20 meeting and they were saying like it could cost Colorado a billion with a B with a lot of the effect being on small businesses or I am actively engaged legislatively on all legislation that impacts, you know, energy one thing that Eric alluded to earlier is the RTO and that legislation.
[3:05:00] If you remember the RT, well, you may not, because it's probably not one that you guys have to track, but the regional transmission organization, the RTO legislation went into effect, gosh, it was three. I'm going to get the year wrong, but it basically was saying the Colorado Utilities will join an RTO by 2026. That is this year. The impacts of the RTO joining the RTO this year, four mountain parks will be costly. I mean, that's going to be a costly impact and we don't have any control over that.
[3:05:29] A lot of utilities will see benefits from that, we're going to see costs from that and
[3:05:34] that's not calculated into any rates that we currently have in place.
[3:05:38] That's one piece of legislation.
[3:05:41] The legislation as far as clean energy is concerned, our current power supply contract covers
[3:05:47] the existing legislation in place.
[3:05:50] If the requirements get more strict, if the legislation changes and we have to meet targets
[3:05:57] It's sooner, or if there are intermittent targets that we have to meet, all of that will increase our power supply cost.
[3:06:04] Yes. And so we do engage with legislative processes around those, around those goals and
[3:06:12] around any legislation that acts the cost to our members.
[3:06:16] And it
[3:06:21] would be who best to keep the goals where they are right now, because that's what our power supply contract has in it.
[3:06:27] And our cost will go up.
[3:06:28] And if you keep us updated, you know, we sit on a lot of groups, you know, and I'm thinking more like AGMC in Club 20 and CCI.
[3:06:39] I know with CCI when you were talking about the RTO, they didn't really have a county nexus. We kind of felt it.
[3:06:43] I felt it did, but whatever. But, you know, if there's, if you're ever like, hey, can you reach out to AGMC and just let them know this is how we feel about this.
[3:06:52] I mean, it sounds like we're kind of walking in the same direction.
[3:06:55] So hopefully we can help get some of our groups supporting you guys to keep, I think.
[3:07:00] Yeah, I think any time we reach out on those kind of things that we don't necessarily have the expertise about,
[3:07:05] but it's a fixed grant county in a big way or a good.
[3:07:08] You know, during legislative session, Mary and I go down to CCI committee meetings and then we have every Thursday
[3:07:13] we have a meeting with HNC and it's just something we can ask the group that runs it and say, hey, listen, what does this mean?
[3:07:19] I mean, these guys have talked to us,
[3:07:21] work here is what it means,
[3:07:22] and can we get everybody on board with it,
[3:07:23] and I think that we would find agents,
[3:07:26] I think, would be a pretty amenable group.
[3:07:28] Probably a club 20 also.
[3:07:30] That's the three big ones, I think,
[3:07:31] that we work with on these things.
[3:07:33] Well, I appreciate that,
[3:07:34] and I mean, we are very active.
[3:07:36] I've got legislative calls three days a week
[3:07:38] during this time of year.
[3:07:39] We're just kind of constant.
[3:07:41] Yeah, we do take stances on a lot of legislation,
[3:07:45] and are actively engaged in a lot of it as well.
[3:07:47] So, if there are ever ones where I feel like we could use off and on, I will absolutely reach out.
[3:07:56] That's two, like, you know, letter of support from the Green County Commissioners.
[3:07:59] Yep, absolutely.
[3:08:00] These are listeners on our product.
[3:08:04] Can I just ask a question real quick, or a point of clarification?
[3:08:07] So, going back to that first slide, when you were talking about it, it was a 7% rate increase
[3:08:14] over the last year and average of like $9 on the residential cost.
[3:08:24] So the commissioners were getting some feedback from some rate payers that their bill went up like $85 to $100 per month.
[3:08:33] Is that, are these just anomalies, are they just extremely inefficient systems, what are you hearing from a lot of customers?
[3:08:46] It'd be tough to say without knowing the specifics, I mean, so if we have any imbalance in our rate classes, we won't necessarily try to catch them up right away.
[3:08:58] there's a, there like to be gradual as far as making changes, so let's say you're in a rate class that's behind where mine is and we're trying to catch you up instead of doing it all in one year, we might phase it in over three or four or five years.
[3:09:11] So there could be customers that were impacted disproportionately more because of a catch up feature I don't know for sure, could depend on their load.
[3:09:21] Yeah, it really would be case by case basis.
[3:09:23] I would say the information we have here is true for the majority, right?
[3:09:30] That is the average.
[3:09:31] There will always be the ends of the average, right?
[3:09:34] And so if you've got an individual person who's coming to you saying my bill went up by this much,
[3:09:39] the only way for us to really know that is to know that person, their meter, their account,
[3:09:43] and we can look at it, and we have those members who come to our board meetings and
[3:09:47] to our board members and say the same thing, and we walk through it with them.
[3:09:52] There are individual members who will be disproportionately impacted because of either
[3:09:57] their use or the rate that they're on or some-
[3:10:00] Individual circumstance that makes it different, but no, on average across the class, the residential class, that is the, that's based on average usage, you know, everybody has average usage, and that's based on.
[3:10:16] What does that 7% about the same, I mean like. Great increase percentage on the class is the same, like so if it is. And I don't remember what the exact one was on the residential rate class, was it. Yeah, would have.
[3:10:32] I don't remember, I remember this system access charge went up a dollar, so
[3:10:36] everybody's system access charge would have gone up a dollar.
[3:10:39] And then the cost per kilowatt hour went to 0.1375.
[3:10:43] Everybody would pay 0.1375 per kilowatt.
[3:10:46] How that percentage balances out is based on how much you use.
[3:10:50] Okay, so if you're, let's you build $1,000, you're going up 70 bucks.
[3:10:55] If it's $100, you're going up 7.
[3:10:57] I don't
[3:11:00] know if the lights are a little bit.
[3:11:02] You encourage all members if they have a concern about it to come talk to us.
[3:11:06] We have people who work in the Aaron's department who can come out and do an audit.
[3:11:11] They can tell them about all of our programs.
[3:11:12] We have programs for people who are on, you know, who have low income.
[3:11:16] We have programs for people who are audits with.
[3:11:22] Yeah, next line.
[3:11:24] Yeah, there you go.
[3:11:24] Right.
[3:11:25] right into it perfectly.
[3:11:26] Yes, exactly.
[3:11:27] All right.
[3:11:27] I mean, we have some wonderful member service representatives, Lindsey McCann, who lives in
[3:11:32] town and others, but that's kind of our first line.
[3:11:36] And so when a member calls and says, whoa, my bill is higher than I thought it was going
[3:11:41] to be.
[3:11:41] It's way too high.
[3:11:42] And so we have some common, you know, things that we go through, you know, is your heat
[3:11:48] tape left on all day?
[3:11:50] Do you have, you know, whatever it might be, we have a whole list of things that we run
[3:11:54] through and sometimes we can identify and we can go look at their usage. We have smart hub for
[3:12:00] members that can sign up. We can access their usage too so we can look and see trends, monthly trends,
[3:12:06] the early trends. Then going back to this slide, energy efficiency promotion, I mean that's a big
[3:12:14] thing we've really gotten into where we try to help members individually with their energy efficiency
[3:12:18] to cut their costs. So we partner with the Sanable Grant. We have a great rebate on the home
[3:12:24] energy audits. They have trained professionals. They come out to your home. I had one done
[3:12:29] this last year and it was great. So they can identify areas that you can improve when you're
[3:12:33] and then the boost program we started last year to help those families that are impacted more
[3:12:40] so about rate increases and come qualified. So we're trying to continue to spread the word about
[3:12:46] the boost program. We work with Bound Family Center on that to identify families that they might
[3:12:52] be in need and the care program is through the state and mountain parks funds up to 12 families 12
[3:13:00] households to come in and a lot of her comes in sees how their house functions and operates in
[3:13:07] terms of efficiency and then it pays for a lot of upgrades for their home so their energy bills will
[3:13:21] Basement Program as well, just, you know, rebates for heat tape, timers, rebates for
[3:13:28] inflation. I forget what they all are. Yeah, we look at it every year and we try to see
[3:13:31] with some of the people who are calling about what some of the challenges are, we we started
[3:13:35] to notice with the energy audience that people didn't have insulation in their crawl spaces.
[3:13:41] So we added an insulation rebate this last year and it's really been popular. Like I said,
[3:13:46] But the heat tape is a big culprit for our members and so we added a heat tape timer because we don't we try to recommend not to keep it on 24 hours a day.
[3:13:56] Just trying
[3:14:00] to identify those areas and change our programming to help members with that.
[3:14:05] Best way for members to learn about their usage and about how to help with their bills to reach out to us and we will walk through it with them.
[3:14:13] And then in terms of cost effectiveness,
[3:14:18] the first bullet there grant funding has been a big thing with mountain parks the past few years.
[3:14:23] And the new era grant that we've been awarded is more than $100 million still trying to work on a daily basis to secure that funding and
[3:14:31] get some of those checks to come in but also funding just to help us with our maintenance and upgrades to our system to help us reliability safe.
[3:14:46] So if we could move to one next slide please.
[3:14:50] So these next two graphs, these are the last two that I have for you all.
[3:14:54] This is data from CFC, they're cooperative themselves, but they lend to electric cooperatives like us.
[3:15:00] And so it's very competitive rates, very reasonable terms, but they aggregate data for over 800 cooperatives nationwide. And so the gray bars would represent mountain parks, the blue line represents the state average, and then the black line would represent the national average. And so this is our operating revenue per consumer. I think a couple of things that are important to keep in mind here. We live in an area that has a high cost of living, largely due to housing.
[3:15:29] But if you look at our revenue per consumer, we're roughly
[3:15:33] called it 20% or so below the national and state averages there.
[3:15:38] And this would, again, those two lines would include all the
[3:15:41] cooperatives throughout Colorado or the nation that would be in,
[3:15:45] and call it more affordable areas.
[3:15:48] And if we go to the next slide, this one shows kind of the opposite
[3:15:52] side of the same coin where we've got our total operating expenses
[3:15:56] as per consumer, you know, as Virginia alluded to a little bit ago, we have less density than an investor-owned utility like Excel would have, so we just, we can't achieve the economies of scale that they could, like in a more metropolitan area.
[3:16:10] But again, I think the fact that we're in a rugged terrain that's got such a high cost of living, the fact that our revenue per customer is lower than those national and state averages and our operating expenses per consumer are lower than those averages.
[3:16:25] I mean, I feel strongly that that supports our mission of being cost effective for our members.
[3:16:33] It's really hard to make those jumps because, for example, if the residents in your service area had more gas,
[3:16:46] then your revenues and costs would be lower than someplace it doesn't.
[3:16:52] So, you know, I appreciate the comparisons, but you can't make too many conclusions based upon these types of statistics.
[3:17:02] That's true. There can definitely be some of that. It is helpful to compare with, you know, similarly situated co-ops, which is where we like to look at like our Colorado neighbors and just like that, because you can make some assumptions based on, you know, them being gassy and things like that. That definitely does.
[3:17:24] All right, so that's kind of all we've got on rates and now I'm going to turn it over to Adam to talk
[3:17:30] And we'll try to go through this quickly because I know we're running our time is getting short already, but
[3:17:36] We understood that you guys have some questions about like infrastructure and do we have enough
[3:17:40] Capacity to meet growth. So we're going to start with a little definition of like how we define capacity
[3:17:46] Because we think it might be different than what you guys are asking. So we'll get into that real quickly. Yeah, so I think I can
[3:17:53] We can run through this quickly, but a couple things I want to just point out when we're thinking about capacity.
[3:18:00] So MP has a power supply contract, which you see there on your slide.
[3:18:05] That includes our normal load and then average growth.
[3:18:15] New infrastructure, new large infrastructure is built off of growth.
[3:18:21] potentially
[3:18:26] a large load they would be
[3:18:29] the term capacity to be very clear. MP has ample capacity
[3:18:38] today to serve all of our existing members or I would say average are our normal growth.
[3:18:50] And that's looked at pretty consistently not only through our engineering but outside
[3:18:56] engineering's just loading something or you know talk more as we go here but
[3:19:04] these as you need more capacity or a larger infrastructure it doesn't happen
[3:19:10] overnight it's kind of like it takes years of planning and preparation.
[3:19:19] Yes they're like in the loop so when they're building a room or a cornerstone or
[3:19:23] rendezvous like you guys you guys are like oh gosh you're doing that tomorrow
[3:19:28] I know sometimes they're not always organized, but we're going to talk about that a little bit.
[3:19:35] But yes, we want to be in the loop.
[3:19:37] We try to be in the loop possible to stay in the loop.
[3:19:42] Because when you see romes or rendezvous large subdivisions or potentially
[3:19:52] or that could be five to ten years out, depending on how large
[3:19:56] I'm talking that we need to serve those new loads.
[3:20:02] Okay, so this is a nerdy question. 12 meaners per line, for mile, for mile. So can we get it up to 15 or 20? I mean, what would be the trigger where we'd have to get bigger wires or run another line? So let's see how I feed her. So not to get too nerdy about it. But so there's different wires, different sizes of wires on our system.
[3:20:30] and depending about how far away you are from the source, which in this case is close
[3:20:41] to the
[3:20:42] substation or your
[3:20:45] aquaculture or some far away at the end of the line, you know, that
[3:20:55] mission line all the way out to the end of the line at
[3:21:00] a centerway out there.
[3:21:02] It really depends on the individual feeders. Samara feeders are built with different size wire
[3:21:06] than other feeders, right? So if you're trying to put a large load out at the end of a feeder that's
[3:21:11] is built with smaller wire, that's a different answer to the question.
[3:21:16] And if you're trying to put a large load or multiple meters out on a feeder that's served with larger conductors.
[3:21:23] And thank you back on my question a little bit.
[3:21:24] So like, do you work with Chris on our planning and zoning, our development department,
[3:21:29] like our people come to you before they go there?
[3:21:32] Who are you CC?
[3:21:34] So we have people within our GIS,
[3:21:47] our engineering department and the design department.
[3:21:50] I was just trying to think if there's anything we can do to make your life easier to sound like you guys are already ahead of me
[3:21:54] Which is kind of have a we have a slide in here that goes over that where we we do request more engagement we need more
[3:22:03] Information
[3:22:05] Further in advance to do this better. So we would like a seat at the table earlier on a lot of projects
[3:22:12] So we are getting informed some of them at the right time some projects not at the right time, you know
[3:22:17] some, there could be a better engagement between us and a lot of different
[3:22:22] parties as far as knowing further in advance what the development plans are.
[3:22:29] And that's not just at the county level.
[3:22:32] That's with the towns, that's everybody and a lot of that onus is on us to become
[3:22:36] more humble.
[3:22:39] Hold my down, I said in question till later.
[3:22:41] Okay.
[3:22:43] I mean, I feel bad, I feel like that's because you mentioned it already.
[3:22:46] Okay.
[3:22:46] You know, like three slides ahead.
[3:22:47] He said the word first.
[3:22:48] I did it.
[3:22:50] I'm sorry.
[3:22:52] I'm an off-skid.
[3:22:53] Our lines and keep the lights on, so please ask questions and just want to be clear when
[3:23:02] we're talking about capacity for mom parts.
[3:23:04] We're really talking about our substations, our feeders can
[3:23:16] go forward.
[3:23:17] That's we do have capacity the day.
[3:23:20] But we are seeing more large loads come onto our
[3:23:28] parking.
[3:23:30] You guys can see all the construction that's going on over there.
[3:23:34] They've kind of stopped building out, and now everything's building vertical.
[3:23:38] In my opinion, running
[3:23:43] out of kind of the easy building spots,
[3:23:45] and now we're building their
[3:23:49] large load buildings.
[3:23:52] So some
[3:23:58] of the subdivisions that are planned are
[3:24:04] really large subdivisions.
[3:24:06] for
[3:24:11] years since working here, over 20,
[3:24:21] you are going to get to a point here.
[3:24:31] Sure growth that we're seeing doesn't seem to match historical growth.
[3:24:36] Right, so we were pretty steady for a long time.
[3:24:39] We did
[3:24:46] this again, and again, maybe it's just some sort of electrical loads
[3:24:52] there.
[3:25:02] All served our electrical load up here.
[3:25:07] I mean, you're talking about like, you know, the winter park, you know, the URA. They're, you know, the aerial transit system and big hotels and all that stuff. I mean, that's going to be substantial.
[3:25:23] Have some on our system already, but I mean, they're just more than our normal that we're used to and then said it's coming on as quick. I'd want to point out here that growth pays its way.
[3:25:43] Really important amount of parks if we didn't believe in growth pays its way.
[3:25:47] then that price to build that new substates
[3:26:00] to build this new infrastructure.
[3:26:11] I can chime in briefly to Adam.
[3:26:13] It's important from a risk mitigation standpoint because imagine if you had a large business come in.
[3:26:19] And we had the members pay for that infrastructure and then that business fails and leaves the county.
[3:26:25] That basically would leave the members with the tab so to speak.
[3:26:29] So that's another important component of growth paying his way.
[3:26:31] not the jump ahead too far but I will because I think it makes sense when you're
[3:26:37] thinking of a
[3:26:41] potential a little bit of a risky load. It's really good.
[3:26:48] Some of
[3:26:49] these data centers would dwarf all of mountain parks as loads depending
[3:26:56] on what
[3:26:57] size of data center.
[3:27:06] A data center is actually a good example of this so if there
[3:27:09] were to be a single load like a data center that wanted to come on and that's
[3:27:14] there's not one right now, but let's say that there were, there is not one right now.
[3:27:19] But let's say there were a data center that was interested in coming online and that would
[3:27:22] require us to build a substation that's bigger than anything we have, because they're larger than
[3:27:27] all of our load combined. That would be a hundred percent having to be paid for by that data center.
[3:27:32] So that is like what Adam was talking about with growth pace in his way. Now there is growth that
[3:27:36] happens just kind of like natural across the board growth, which is kind of what's happening across
[3:27:42] or service territory, right?
[3:27:44] So a few houses here, a few houses there,
[3:27:46] a business here, a business there.
[3:27:47] When you have that sprinkled out growth across a large footprint,
[3:27:51] and it's not one single business here,
[3:27:54] when there are some of those upgrades do become baked into overall member costs.
[3:27:59] Some of that is the infrastructure stuff that we talked to you guys about earlier
[3:28:02] that does go into all members' costs.
[3:28:05] If we have to make upgrades that go to serve member
[3:28:10] across our entire service territory.
[3:28:14] For example, that would be, say we have to rebuild the power line to
[3:28:17] hot sulfur here in the end of its life they're going to look at well to make
[3:28:24] sure that lasts the next 50 to 70 years.
[3:28:33] That's how we would.
[3:28:42] And in our system
[3:28:43] is designed, we have a really good system, anybody that looks at it.
[3:28:53] That's why, you
[3:28:53] know, that is why someone we had those fly.
[3:29:14] Just a couple
[3:29:15] things here on this we're let's see
[3:29:20] yep you are on the right one thank you just a couple
[3:29:23] of points here so the the large load that we're seeing coming on board if the subdivisions
[3:29:30] build out like they're in their master.
[3:29:34] We actually double our load our existing load
[3:29:37] that we have expecting that's going to come online five to ten years so if you think mountain
[3:29:44] parks is just going to all of a sudden double the load we're serving that takes significant infrastructure.
[3:29:51] So we're seeing on that phrasier into the county, not just one member, it's several over there.
[3:30:14] And that does not take six to eight weeks. That takes five to ten years to plan. So, and we are engaged with the people that we need to engage.
[3:30:27] So now we're on timeline for new services. So a typical anybody comes in, you know, you're building a new house. We're walking the door. You're on our website. About six to eight weeks out. Kind of.
[3:30:43] you know, the meat with them, the
[3:30:51] design, the engineering,
[3:30:56] those larger projects, subdivisions,
[3:30:59] new, you know, larger projects, they can take years to complete, it just,
[3:31:10] it's already
[3:31:11] touched on a little bit, the COVID realities are to issue from it, so I have to,
[3:31:21] we saw some
[3:31:22] materials jump 400% in just a couple months.
[3:31:27] last year, we saw a national rubber shortage. Our team does, I think, an amazing job figuring out different ways.
[3:31:40] I can only think of just a couple projects that were delayed because the transformers can be two to three years out.
[3:31:48] So, we do mention to everybody not just you guys, sooner we can plan for this.
[3:31:54] That means we can have adequate inventory on hand to keep up with construction.
[3:31:59] And we also have to keep enough material,
[3:32:09] we always have a minimum.
[3:32:19] We did have one other mentioned here, even our equipment, as far as trucks and whatnot.
[3:32:25] You guys probably have seen that too.
[3:32:31] A lot of planning involved.
[3:32:32] So, not only the material to build the lines, but the right.
[3:32:42] And the next slide here, we've talked about it a little bit.
[3:32:46] But yeah, we want to be a good partner.
[3:32:49] You know, part of being a good partner with everybody is having that
[3:32:57] beforehand as possible or, you know, let you guys know where the towns know about more of the forums that really hinder what we do.
[3:33:10] Large loads, you know, one thing I have to mention here is just the
[3:33:17] flats that we're seeing they don't leave it.
[3:33:30] We don't want to
[3:33:35] operate it without...
[3:33:41] You know that we are in the midst of early stages of our master development plan, right?
[3:33:49] Yes, and I do understand that we now have somebody who's going to be in the process, right?
[3:33:56] Nick.
[3:33:56] Nick.
[3:33:58] So we worked with Cress.
[3:34:00] I think it was to get Nick on that.
[3:34:03] Because like our easements and permitting.
[3:34:05] But we've got somebody there, which we really appreciate.
[3:34:08] You mentioned moratoriums and I don't know, I don't think we've actually taken the action.
[3:34:13] Have we in terms of data centers?
[3:34:16] I know we're jumping ahead, but we have talked about putting a moratorium on those until we are in a position where we can develop all the appropriate regulations.
[3:34:33] The one that, you know, pops to my mind first was there was one recently placed.
[3:34:38] I understand on solar batteries and all of that.
[3:34:42] That, you know, has an impact on us because we actually had an RFP out for, you know,
[3:34:46] developing those resources for getting those resources locally.
[3:34:49] Solar, potentially batteries.
[3:34:51] We might need batteries for our own use to help you
[3:34:59] really do.
[3:35:00] So it was kind of a surprise for us to see that moratorium in place and that impacts us.
[3:35:10] From our standpoint, it's moratorium until we're ready to be able to do that. So we're obviously open to discussion. But it was specific to large solar and large wind.
[3:35:23] So if I understand correctly, it's 25 KW and above, which is very small, that's like a small one on a house.
[3:35:31] Anything, I mean, it's a very small.
[3:35:34] So anything we do would be significantly larger than that.
[3:35:37] 25 KW on a house is very small.
[3:35:41] We should review that because that's not the intent.
[3:35:45] Because the intent wasn't that if you want home, we wouldn't stop that.
[3:35:51] the intent was more that yeah we don't want to be driving and all of a sudden you look and there's
[3:35:56] sure and we have no more auditorium right now on nuclear reactors
[3:36:03] great so if I had one of those in my back pocket well they can fly them around now so
[3:36:10] well the 25kw people could still do that on their homes I understand but for anything that we would
[3:36:16] be doing as a utility, 25KW is very small. That is very small.
[3:36:25] So if we get down that path,
[3:36:27] I will definitely come down and talk to you guys. There's something that we need. It does
[3:36:32] hinder us from some of the things we were looking at doing. Local resources and the carve out resources
[3:36:38] that we had within our contract for power supply and also
[3:36:45] our resource adequacy requirements under
[3:36:48] the new RTO, batteries specifically, so
[3:36:55] just the whole seat at the table thing, you know,
[3:36:58] anytime there's something that involves certainly utility-scale issues, you know,
[3:37:05] generation, we'd love to know about it and to be able to, you know, have a chance to come talk
[3:37:10] to you guys about it and provide our input.
[3:37:15] Just, I mean, our mindset in that too was more like
[3:37:22] some large out-of-community project because, you know, you see that happening where large name brand IOUs are out there and all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we bought 2000 acres and we're going to cover it with windmills and
[3:37:43] those directly for our community. I think we'd look at differently than I
[3:37:51] would anyway, I don't know.
[3:37:51] So we're hearing these ones that are potentially going in Eastern Colorado that are gigawatts,
[3:37:57] two and three gigawatts of power consumption that they're using.
[3:38:03] I was talking about the solar farms in the way.
[3:38:05] But that's the solar farm associated with the data centers, what I'm talking about.
[3:38:10] I think some of the requirements, well I don't know if some counties are making them,
[3:38:14] I think you mentioned it too, they have to pay their own way, which would include generating
[3:38:19] in their own power, which will include a huge field of solar panels or a small nuclear reactor.
[3:38:25] Or a small nuclear reactor.
[3:38:28] WAPA, I'm not there.
[3:38:31] No.
[3:38:31] Not disagreeing.
[3:38:34] It's coming out, it's coming out everybody's.
[3:38:37] That gets complicated when you start talking about like generations siding with the load,
[3:38:42] like the data center and the generation and how it would actually interconnect to our
[3:38:47] grid.
[3:38:48] So, if you're talking about that scale of generation, you have to have an interconnection point
[3:38:52] and our, there are limitations within our service territory to
[3:39:07] have a way to interconnection.
[3:39:14] You still have a 25K maximum, so for EMS Station 1, that's our next update, our new building
[3:39:25] there. Jeff, what was the total solar that we put on?
[3:39:32] And that's the maximum we can put
[3:39:33] back into your system for net metering.
[3:39:36] For net, okay.
[3:39:37] You can do larger, but it requires an interconnection.
[3:39:48] Please don't, and please tell me you didn't turn that grant program back on after we missed the
[3:39:54] window.
[3:39:55] We do not have a grant program turned back on, but you can have larger, they aren't met and
[3:40:01] We
[3:40:03] were hoping that you guys would, you know, entertain a grant for us like you did Frazier Valley rack. Any request for that, we need to go through our board.
[3:40:21] Obviously, you were told the grant. There is no program and we can't. It's not a program. She said, don't ask me.
[3:40:30] There's still a chance. Okay. All right.
[3:40:42] So the next topic we have under other is data centers I think you know like like we've
[3:40:48] got up on the slide we don't have any current requests for data centers there have been
[3:40:52] some in the past like years back but we haven't had any tire kickers or anything like that
[3:40:58] in this area we've actually had quite a few reporters reach out and ask me over the past
[3:41:02] couple of years about what's going on in our two counties and we really haven't. Not to say
[3:41:08] that they won't come, but we haven't been getting those requests. To a point that Eric made earlier,
[3:41:14] if they do come, if we do have those types of requests, we will deal with it just like we would any
[3:41:19] other type of request for service. And it to be very close to both paces, if they need an action,
[3:41:27] If they need power from us, if any upgrade system grades are necessary to get that level of power to them, they would.
[3:41:40] That answer the question.
[3:41:42] Addisoners.
[3:41:45] I think just re iterating the.
[3:41:49] Make sure there's a seat at the table if there is a request for coming in because there's a lot of implications.
[3:41:54] Power for sure, but also water.
[3:41:57] Is it big?
[3:42:00] Absolutely.
[3:42:01] If we end up with any of that same series as of right now, we don't have anything.
[3:42:10] There's talk that some of the there is some data centers in your service area in North Park that are creating their own power with flare gas.
[3:42:19] I don't know how that works with you guys, but they currently you're not using the
[3:42:45] data centers that are getting placed.
[3:42:48] No, probably a different type, but still doing some information processing on a smaller
[3:42:53] scale.
[3:42:54] That is correct.
[3:42:54] That's right.
[3:42:55] Smaller scale.
[3:42:55] They're using flare gas to generate their own power.
[3:42:58] That's correct.
[3:42:59] Probably aren't connected to you guys at all.
[3:43:01] That's how I understand it.
[3:43:01] That's correct.
[3:43:02] Yes.
[3:43:03] Yes.
[3:43:04] It seems up to a satellite or something to go down to your phone.
[3:43:07] That's how I understand it as well, but it is not like the giant mass of data centers
[3:43:11] that we use.
[3:43:12] Like Google uses or whatever.
[3:43:14] Yeah, and that's the talk in nation Colorado that and they like rural areas
[3:43:19] I think because they generate a ton of heat and if and rural areas have some more wind and some of that cooling helps because of that wind in
[3:43:26] Cities even though it's closer to the power and less transmission lines, but the trade off is it's a little bit easier to go
[3:43:33] them. I think transmission will be one of them
[3:43:40] would take a massive amount of transmission line to get power unless they did it on
[3:43:45] inside, I guess, with a nuclear reactor.
[3:43:51] Typically, look for our
[3:44:00] area just geographically is going to be a
[3:44:07] capture.
[3:44:08] And so I don't know if
[3:44:14] we're hanging through first in the country talking
[3:44:22] just like we're seeing.
[3:44:51] A couple more things.
[3:44:53] I feel like we've kind of covered our geo.
[3:44:56] So I'm going to skip that one.
[3:44:57] It is in one question like that it says this will be a
[3:45:00] Is that significant cost driver? Is that just like, is there a cost goes up, your cost goes up? It's not like they're going to drive your cost up, they're just going to impact your price. But it's not going to drive. It's not. Today, you're not expecting it to grow up. The RTO SPP, which you guys have heard about, SPP goes into effect actually April 1st, so we're now under the SPP RTO. They have resource adequacy requirements.
[3:45:29] I'm going to call it resource adequacies, actually planning reserve margins, but resource
[3:45:35] adequacy is what most people think of it as.
[3:45:37] They go into effect the first season that it will really impact mountain parks is likely
[3:45:43] going to be next winter, so winter of 2027.
[3:45:48] We're already starting to work on that because the cost implications of planning reserve margins
[3:45:54] could be significant.
[3:45:55] And in reserve margins, they put into place or that they've filed with FERC or 40% requirements
[3:46:01] in the winter and 20% requirements.
[3:46:06] 100, you've got to buy 140 if you use summary, you've got to buy 120 in the winter.
[3:46:14] That gap in the winter is pretty,
[3:46:19] that's going to drive cost, that's a transition.
[3:46:23] Yes, Lee, how much is it presented?
[3:46:26] I'd hate to even throw numbers at it,
[3:46:30] or to find exactly what that product is going to look like,
[3:46:34] how we're going to purchase that product.
[3:46:36] That's one of those things that I said,
[3:46:37] maybe that's a battery.
[3:46:39] Maybe that's us owning batteries to meet that capacity.
[3:46:41] So if we own batteries and you need to put them on our system,
[3:46:44] you will have to be coming and talking to you guys about that moratorium.
[3:46:48] But we don't know exactly how we're going to meet it.
[3:46:50] We've got some time to figure it out.
[3:46:52] So I hate to throw any costs out there right now,
[3:46:54] but we do know what will do I cost.
[3:46:56] It will be.
[3:46:59] They're requiring you to buy stuff you're not going to use.
[3:47:04] Just to have it available.
[3:47:06] Across the entire SAP footprint, yes sir.
[3:47:12] Like buying a lifesaving ring, you hope you never use it, but you have to have it, right?
[3:47:19] Everybody within the SPP East,
[3:47:25] full footprint, we're all required to do that.
[3:47:26] And if you don't have those contingencies there, financial penalties associated.
[3:47:31] So,
[3:47:34] hey, to keep carrying this on, but we have great questions, I hope.
[3:47:39] We're here as long as you guys are missing.
[3:47:41] A couple of things come to mind.
[3:47:43] One is, you talked about transmission lines and how hard it would be to get.
[3:47:47] Well, we have the Western area of power, right?
[3:47:50] That's not part of your system.
[3:47:52] They are one of our transmission providers, so we've got to provide, right?
[3:47:56] But somebody could, if they could cite something close to that transmission line,
[3:48:00] that would be not
[3:48:05] that much capacity in those. Okay. That's a good thing to know. The other
[3:48:10] thing is, where does that power come from? Doesn't it come from Glen Canyon Dam?
[3:48:18] Well, contractually, all of our power that we are getting from our WAPA transmission and our
[3:48:24] tri-state transmission contractually comes from Guzman. So now, which electrons are on it? I don't
[3:48:30] No, actually.
[3:48:32] Hard to see.
[3:48:33] So I'm just here at where I was going with that, is assuming that that reaches a point where it no longer can generate power, or it's significantly degraded from historical.
[3:48:44] Is that going to have an impact on you all?
[3:48:47] Or don't you know?
[3:48:48] That's what, I mean, so that's what RTOs and NERK and all these big federal agencies that manage the grid and all of the regional pieces.
[3:48:57] That's what they manage, they ensure that if one resource goes down that there are other
[3:49:01] resources that ensure that the grid continues to run.
[3:49:04] So I can't speak to what will happen if one of WAPA's resources no longer functions,
[3:49:09] what will come up in its place to ensure that the power continues to flow, but yeah, that's
[3:49:15] a good question.
[3:49:19] I think we have a lot of concerns about that across the nation right now and that's probably
[3:49:23] what we see.
[3:49:23] And we've talked about rates, and we've talked about operational stuff.
[3:49:30] I just want to say a couple of things real quickly.
[3:49:33] One, over the last few years, it was probably 15 years ago.
[3:49:38] They replaced the conductors and many of the poles that come up to where our branches
[3:49:45] and we are at the end of the line.
[3:49:47] So that there has been ongoing improvement, and that's been great.
[3:49:53] You know, they're not a huge change in the load, but they decided for a future. That's something that needs...
[3:50:00] We need to happen. So that's been good. And we've had a very positive relationship with all of your service employees, all your linemen, right? If there's an issue, they've been great to work with because we've lost some of the old timers that knew where every nail was and every cut off and all those sorts of things. So we've been very easy to work with those. The other thing I would say is in general,
[3:50:29] Well, everybody gets frustrated when they lose their power.
[3:50:32] But I don't know how many people I have that come to our ranch from across the country
[3:50:36] that say, wow, what are you doing?
[3:50:37] The power goes out and I said, we wait about an hour and it comes back on.
[3:50:42] And they're jaw drops and some of that is because we don't have hurricanes and we don't have
[3:50:46] earthquakes and some of those kinds of catastrophic natural sorts of events.
[3:50:52] We do have snow and we have depth trees.
[3:50:54] But your crew has been really remarkable at keeping all that stuff functional, day in and day out.
[3:51:03] And when we have a problem, they're quick to respond on it.
[3:51:06] And you work pretty hard at being able to communicate the people where outages are and how all that's happening.
[3:51:14] So just say thanks, kudos to y'all for doing that.
[3:51:18] We really appreciate that and we'll pass that on to the crews.
[3:51:26] You guys have a good job communicating when it's coming back on, like, hey, power's out,
[3:51:30] it's back on.
[3:51:31] That's really helpful, too.
[3:51:32] You're not just growing around blind.
[3:51:34] One of our other utilities does not do that.
[3:51:37] We try.
[3:51:38] We try.
[3:51:39] And you guys can stop us if we're out of time, but we real quickly wanted to talk on wildfire
[3:51:43] mitigation because we have implemented the last couple of years, some very strict wildfire
[3:51:50] protection settings on our equipment to where, you know, when the fire settings are high,
[3:51:54] you know, when we're in fire danger, when we're under red flag warnings, we are setting
[3:51:59] our sensitivities very high. So we have more outages, right? Everybody's experiencing
[3:52:03] more outages. We hear complaints about more outages. Our members hate outages. No one likes
[3:52:07] their power to be out, but it is our best way to prevent wildfires, to prevent us from
[3:52:13] causing one, or to prevent us from spreading one. So we are continuing those settings. This
[3:52:18] This year is gearing out to be a particularly dry season and a very early wildfire season.
[3:52:25] As you probably have already seen or heard or know, we've already had some of our wildfire
[3:52:29] settings on more than once.
[3:52:31] I think we were on three days now that we've done that.
[3:52:34] So as you hear complaints, as you hear comments, concerns throughout the community about the
[3:52:39] outages, yes, we are having increased outages.
[3:52:42] It is due to these more sensitive settings.
[3:52:44] We are going to continue to do that to protect our members, to protect, you know, our homes and our businesses and our land and our system.
[3:52:54] So that's just want you guys to be aware of that, you know, the higher sensitivity and that that's our top priority as the safety of our communities.
[3:53:02] And I know you talked about trying to get the word out. I have received multiple notices about this.
[3:53:09] We tried to get the word out last year and we did our newsletter and different things but we did get a lot of feedback from members saying why is the power out so often because they didn't get the word.
[3:53:18] So we're like we're gonna really ramp it up this year, we're gonna send emails and do everything we can to make sure.
[3:53:23] So I'm glad that and we've gotten positive feedback from members saying thank you for protecting our community.
[3:53:28] And we're doing those higher settings instead of doing what somehow we used to where they just shut it off, and then you hear a lot, you know, businesses impact and families impacted.
[3:53:40] Power shut off.
[3:53:41] Been really tough times on the west side of the metro area.
[3:53:45] And we don't have to go there.
[3:53:46] And we're just making sure if a tree limb hits our wire and the power cuts off.
[3:53:50] We are trying to balance that.
[3:53:51] We do understand that outages are hard for people.
[3:53:53] We don't like outages.
[3:53:54] our goals always have it on but you know we also understand the risk of welfare and we're trying to
[3:53:59] balance those two.
[3:54:03] We spent years of my career you know building the system civil lights never
[3:54:08] go off and these settings are designed so it goes off and so that is why
[3:54:21] we're doing these settings
[3:54:22] and we have.
[3:54:32] Well the last couple first off we have our annual meeting coming up it's May 2nd so
[3:54:37] we'd encourage you all to attend. Hopefully you can. It will be at the middle
[3:54:41] park high school 8 a.m. free breakfast. It's always a great breakfast. We have
[3:54:45] family activities, all kinds of good stuff. We'd love for you guys to go there. The
[3:54:49] topic, the primary topic of the annual meeting that we will be going over in
[3:54:54] great detail is rates. So you guys aren't the only one asking about rates. We will
[3:55:00] We're talking about rates and what goes into rate setting and- I bet you're also going to be talking about your one shot and your hotline tag as well. Probably a little bit. Probably a little bit. Yes, we will. Yes, have great prizes. We do have good prizes. Yes, give me great prizes. And we get complaints about the prizes because people say stop buying prizes, give, you know, make our rates lower. The prizes are almost all donated by sponsors. So if you guys hear people complaining about our prizes, we do get mostly-
[3:55:29] I have to go because my daughter got one of your scholarships.
[3:55:31] Thank you very much.
[3:55:32] I went to the meeting.
[3:55:33] I was like, God, they're humanoid.
[3:55:34] Correct.
[3:55:34] Yes.
[3:55:37] And then we do also always encourage you guys.
[3:55:39] Our board meetings are open to the public.
[3:55:41] They are the second, Thursday of every month.
[3:55:44] I think, you know, that's changed like once in the three years I've been here.
[3:55:47] We do have two meetings a year that we try to travel to are, you know, further out communities.
[3:55:52] So in August, we hold our meeting in Kremlin and in September, we hold it in Walden.
[3:55:57] And other than that, we are at the Grand B office, second Thursday of each month.
[3:56:01] No prizes.
[3:56:01] No prizes.
[3:56:04] No prizes.
[3:56:05] Hey, Streets.
[3:56:05] You don't want them too well, it's here.
[3:56:07] Yeah.
[3:56:08] So kind of just our overall takeaways.
[3:56:10] You know, we operate in a lean and a responsible way wherever we can.
[3:56:16] And despite our rate pressure, we do continue best in our system to try to keep it safe and reliable for everybody.
[3:56:23] and we want to be a good partner so reach out to us whenever.
[3:56:31] I appreciate you guys having us and I hope that goes intended.
[3:56:38] This is for us to be educated.
[3:56:39] So when people talk to us, we don't just shrug and say,
[3:56:43] all these guys, you know, like so we can actually know a little bit better
[3:56:47] and know better what you guys do.
[3:56:49] Station.
[3:56:50] No, we didn't take it that way.
[3:56:51] We appreciate it.
[3:56:52] We really appreciate it.
[3:56:53] Yeah, we know we should do this more often, but you know everybody schedules get rolling and then two years passes, right?
[3:57:02] Thanks, they guys appreciate
[3:57:05] Oh, and
[3:57:17] you just start calling Ryan's or because
[3:57:35] Good didn't
[3:57:37] All right, no, Bob, right back time. Yeah, no, haven't mastered that one yet
[3:57:43] Good afternoon, commissioners, Jeff Hickam, Grand County Project Manager.
[3:57:48] I'm here today to give you an update on the new EMS station and
[3:57:53] to celebrate the one year mark since we've brought ground on it.
[3:57:58] We are approximately 60% complete with the building now.
[3:58:04] Please report that the project is currently under budget and
[3:58:07] tracking approximately a month ahead of schedule.
[3:58:10] So my estimate of the finish date is sometime in November of 26.
[3:58:18] Big Valley has said anywhere from September to November.
[3:58:23] So we're writing that window.
[3:58:28] Our recent accomplishments at the building are all of the exterior and interior framing are complete.
[3:58:35] All of the insulation is complete.
[3:58:38] the solar panels have been installed.
[3:58:42] The standing seam metal roofing is about 90% complete at this point and they continue
[3:58:47] to work on that as they're able.
[3:58:51] Right now we have construction water service in the building so that's a good thing and
[3:58:56] I've received a call shortly before it came up here that our water meter is in and
[3:59:01] grandby we just have to pay for it and have them install it.
[3:59:07] Rough in inspections for the admin area.
[3:59:10] the electrical and plumbing have occurred and they've both been passed.
[3:59:18] The drywall hanging and finishing is 90 to 95% complete currently.
[3:59:24] To the point that they're starting to prime walls and actually put the first coat of paint on walls.
[3:59:32] So it's actually since I wrote this, it's continued into the admin area beyond just the living quarters.
[3:59:39] So we continue to make progress daily.
[3:59:43] They've also poured all of the light pole bases in the parking lot and installed five of the six garage doors.
[3:59:49] We're currently waiting on the sixth one to show up on
[3:59:55] going and upcoming work.
[3:59:57] We have the sprinkler systems and
[4:00:00] In the apparatus bay, the apparatus bay electrical rough in, that should be done by end of month.
[4:00:09] Softon installation has begun. Sighting will follow in late April, early May,
[4:00:18] and we are currently working on all plans for sidewalks, asphalt, heated garage entry aprons for the apparatus bay.
[4:00:30] One thing that I did want to talk to you about today was the landscaping on the exterior of the building.
[4:00:38] I've been in contact with Grammy Ranch about landscaping and I received a call yesterday afternoon approving my request to consider postponing the installation of all the landscaping due to the dry weather.
[4:00:53] So, they're going to draft up a letter and send it to me, just documenting that they agree to that.
[4:00:59] That's your last bullet point on the last page.
[4:01:02] I'm sorry?
[4:01:03] That's your last bullet point on the last page, right?
[4:01:06] Sure is.
[4:01:07] And I realize that you have to follow the HOA as it were, but, you know,
[4:01:13] I think as we push for zero escaping and minimal water usage and all that kind of stuff,
[4:01:18] I would ask you to ask that H.O.A.
[4:01:22] Like, we want the one-have sprinkled landscape.
[4:01:26] We want to have something to do.
[4:01:28] And we don't.
[4:01:29] And survive locally.
[4:01:30] Yeah, we do.
[4:01:31] We don't.
[4:01:31] We have a very minimal landscape plan,
[4:01:33] but even putting...
[4:01:34] But establishing it is a different matter.
[4:01:35] Stablishing that in this summer is going to be problematic.
[4:01:40] I think at a minimum, we want to get that native revenge done
[4:01:44] and come back with, you know,
[4:01:47] the investment of some of that more mature type land trees and stuff that take water.
[4:01:59] And everything that is planned in the landscaping is native vegetation.
[4:02:04] So once it's established, it shouldn't require any watering.
[4:02:11] So onto the financial overview, the project is in a strong financial position.
[4:02:18] We've used less than 6% of the construction contingency to date.
[4:02:25] As you can see, the total construction budget started at $25,903,603.
[4:02:32] That included a 1.837 contingency amount.
[4:02:38] To date, we've paid big valley, $13,445,327,70.
[4:02:46] since used $106,386.72 of that contingency, which works out to about 5.8%.
[4:03:00] Recently, we have saved $80,452.66 by downsizing some of the electrical switch gear that was originally designed to be expanded in the future.
[4:03:17] here. Primarily this is for our solar system on the roof. We downsize because we don't
[4:03:26] have room to add additional batteries for backup. If we expand that photovoltaic system,
[4:03:35] we cannot sell back to mountain parks. And we were going to be spending about $10,000
[4:03:40] for equipment that wasn't going to be used until we decided to reinvest in batteries and other systems.
[4:03:50] To go along with that, we would have had to reconfigure our sprinkler system to accommodate additional batteries.
[4:03:59] Also, we eliminated some of the window canopies on the exterior of the building.
[4:04:05] And those were added to the design just to create shade over the windows.
[4:04:12] For the $70,000, we'll save.
[4:04:15] I think we can buy a lot of window treatments for the interior of the building.
[4:04:20] So, simplifies the exterior, reduces maintenance, and lowers your costs.
[4:04:27] But we also have, but we kept the main one on the southeast.
[4:04:30] Correct.
[4:04:30] Or I'm sorry, the southwest part of the building.
[4:04:32] some of those were on the north side of the building.
[4:04:35] We were looking at judicial, we don't have them on the north side of the building.
[4:04:40] There's an overhang to just where we could reduce some costs.
[4:04:47] And we continue to try to look for ways to reduce costs at every opportunity.
[4:04:52] So that's why I included that.
[4:04:55] I just wanted it to be known that we are continuing to try to reduce costs on this bill.
[4:05:02] But I guess with that note of saving $80,000, we've had another $37,000 in change orders as well. So we've had reductions, and we've had increases. I mean, there's 22 change orders. So far, you guys have approved the ones that have been over 100,000. I'm approving them that are below 100,000. They're all going through legal. But yeah.
[4:05:31] There's just been various things that, I mean, two of those 22 were deductive change orders though, so it goes both ways.
[4:05:40] But I think it's great to see you guys holding the contingency, because it's later you go, the more that starts getting to know.
[4:05:49] Absolutely, it's good to see that it's in a very good position right now.
[4:05:56] And you know, going forward, I've worked really hard to try and keep the finishes, plumbing finishes, electrical finishes, all of that kind of stuff.
[4:06:09] We're not going high end with anything, we're going kind of a commercial builders grade.
[4:06:15] If in the future we find ourselves in the position that we need to replace it and we have the funds available, we can upgrade at that point.
[4:06:21] but at this point, we need to be functional, and that's what we're working towards.
[4:06:29] As an example, we're buying our own appliances to eliminate big valleys mark up on appliances.
[4:06:37] Same thing with ceiling fans.
[4:06:40] Anyway, we can cut costs.
[4:06:42] We're working on it.
[4:06:46] So on to the grant funding status.
[4:06:48] Yes, we'll invite you to the installation day.
[4:06:51] We take an attract to go pick the stuff up and unloading appliances and installing appliances.
[4:07:02] Yep, all hands on deck for that day.
[4:07:07] So onto the grant funding, the dollar grant we were initially awarded $1,842,870 to date.
[4:07:19] We've received 945,356 in 61 cents, leaving us a remaining balance of $897,513 in 39 cents.
[4:07:33] We do have a pending reimbursement of about $245,000 in their system.
[4:07:42] The connected care grant, we were originally awarded $500,000.
[4:07:48] I apologize, I had a typo on the received data line.
[4:07:54] We have received $250,000 and Chief Wingate tells me they are meeting this afternoon and
[4:08:02] he's expecting to have another $125,000 released.
[4:08:07] That money is all earmarked for audiovisual and IT expenses for the building.
[4:08:18] So total grant number is $2,342,870 that were awarded to date.
[4:08:28] We've received a little over 1.2 million towards those grants.
[4:08:37] That's the only other grant that we have on top of this is the free board, more in grant.
[4:08:43] And that was, what was that amount?
[4:08:47] 87, $87,000, which is going to pay for FFE furniture, fixtures equipment.
[4:08:59] We need to buy stainless steel that has a mullion in it.
[4:09:02] Yes, ma'am.
[4:09:04] I really appreciate this whole overview, it's very helpful and I especially like the reminders on some of these things in the next section in terms of some of the features and special things we're doing and why we're doing those are great.
[4:09:24] One question I had is I was looking at the grant funding.
[4:09:27] We were granted money from the feds, and we decided it was going to cost more to use that grant money than what was the $1 amount on that initial grant?
[4:09:41] Was it two million?
[4:09:43] Three.
[4:09:44] It was three million.
[4:09:46] Yes, that was in the, that
[4:09:54] was through Senator Bennett or the CDS.
[4:09:57] that would have pushed the cost of the project.
[4:10:00] 20% and well above the $3 million that we would have gotten. I was just trying to remember what that amount was. And also would have delayed the project another year. We would have had a stop construction as of all of the environmental clearances that we have had to dig on the site in addition.
[4:10:29] Any more questions for me?
[4:10:32] As I was sitting here listening to Mountain Parks, I had to thought that we could
[4:10:36] maybe lease out some roof space for some more solar panels.
[4:10:42] I mean, I was going to bring it up, but what was our cost just for a new service there at that location?
[4:10:53] That's some of my memory on that one.
[4:10:55] I wasn't in a quiz, did you?
[4:10:56] No, but I want to say it was over $100,000 that we had to write a couple checks to mountain parks.
[4:11:02] Yeah, absolutely.
[4:11:03] Extremely expensive.
[4:11:04] He doesn't surprise me, I mean we just talked about $60,000 for the Cremling airport.
[4:11:12] That's how growth pays for itself.
[4:11:16] All right, checks.
[4:11:21] Jeff, thank you.
[4:11:21] Filing back there, you're good.
[4:11:25] I just want to thank Jeff for as much time that he puts into this project, we, you know,
[4:11:32] the contractor asking, and he has caught so many things that would have been, would have slipped through the cracks and we would have never had known.
[4:11:44] He is doing a great job.
[4:11:46] Thank you.
[4:11:47] I would say when I was on the school board, I was on the exact committee building the school.
[4:11:51] Thank you, Chris.
[4:11:53] It's tedious.
[4:11:54] I mean, like, and they're great guys, but like, there's a lot of message you can catch.
[4:11:57] So we like, you know, we
[4:12:00] monitoring COVID and then started
[4:12:05] absolutely. It is.
[4:12:07] Asking one of us to do my pleasure.
[4:12:13] All right. Thank you.
[4:12:16] That being said is 1242.
[4:12:19] A journey. The meeting.