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Posting update 30, let's go ahead and get started. Microphones on. We'll start with the pledge.

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United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty.

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Welcome to day two of budget, almost week. It is October 1st, hard to believe, but it is October 1st.

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We do have a regular B.O.C.C. meeting to start off.

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with and we did have one request for an agenda change and that is from the sheriff to have him do an update regarding fire restrictions some time around 1030.

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We need to, I guess, officially do that or vote on that for an agenda change or can we just note that.

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Max isn't here.

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Just noted, we're going to have the sheriff give an update for five or six and around 10

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30 after whenever he's got a meeting he needs to be at to get an update on that.

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So that would be the only agenda change that I know of.

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Anyone else?

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All right. So first of all, we will do, I don't, do we have a set of board minutes? I don't think we do.

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So, you did not have any minutes to approve this week.

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I saw.

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So next up is finance, the approval of the weekly payments.

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Good morning commissioners, Curtis Lang with Accounting.

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This week's batch of vouchers is a bit over $213,000, we're estimated cost for the district

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district attorney's operations.

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This is paying their final bill for the new roof on Cremling, which was made

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at cost for our third ownership.

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Abernash Meadows, Water and Sewer,

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and our monthly electric bill is $14,000.

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Do you have any questions?

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Any questions for Curtis?

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Hearing none, I would entertain a motion.

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I moved to approve vouchers and where payments presented on Tuesday, October 1st, 2024, for payment on Wednesday, October 2nd, 2024, for

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Graham County in the Department of Human Services and vouchers for the Graham County Housing Authority.

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Discussion on the motion.

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All in favor?

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All right, thank you.

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So next up is any general public comments?

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First of all, anyone in the room?

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It's just these two.

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I am not seen one, and person in the room.

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Is there anyone online?

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Two phone numbers online.

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No one has their hands raised.

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Anybody online?

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Unmuted.

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Would like to speak, introduce yourselves,

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and unmute yourselves, and speak.

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Okay, no one unmuted.

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No one unmuted, so I guess we don't have any public comment today.

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Okay, so next up then is administrative business departments first, first up is water protection.

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Are these on?

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Okay.

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Good.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I have Catherine Morris Water Quality Manager.

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I have for you today a letter of support for the Bureau of Land Management's grant application for B2E funds.

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This is for three projects.

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The locations include a half mile of BLM land on the Frazier River upstream of Granby

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Ranch.

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This is referred to as the Frazier Canyon site, learning by doing, and been looking at

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this site for a long time.

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So I'm happy to see that it's included in this package for funding.

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And there's a two mile section of the roughly two mile section of the Colorado River at Blue

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Valley Ranch.

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referred to as the Confluence Recreation Area Site and nine discrete parcels

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managed by the BLM along 1.7 miles on the Colorado near Kremlin referred to

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as the Junction buttes buttes sites. So I have to read all this. This is not

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This is my project.

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These are to alleviate stream temperatures, problems with sedimentation

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and erosion, re-vegetate, riparian habitat, and build drought resiliency.

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And then, the

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confluence recreation area site is undergoing a change in ownership through the land exchange,

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which I think you all are familiar with, is that correct? Very much. Working on for long.

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Okay.

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All right, so I won't go into that.

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So the recommendation is, oh, the total amount of funds

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has not yet been determined.

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They didn't supply that information to me

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with a grant application.

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It was really in the preliminary stages,

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but the letter of support is due tomorrow.

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And so the recommendation is just to sign the letter of support.

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Okay, any questions for Catherine?

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Any additional comments, Mr. Moyer?

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No, I think these are good projects, I just, you know, they've been on the list for a long time of needed restoration in those areas and I just applaud BLM for stepping up and going for federal funding to get that done.

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We had a brief discussion before about, you know, other entities going after that same funding as we know there's going to be a giant ask from the River District from that same fund.

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but even from our last round table meeting, there was discussion from the River District

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about they themselves are also signing letters of support for very good projects like

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this just because of that fund is so large and they don't feel that it would be competing

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so I don't think there's an issue there for this stream restoration.

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And yeah, you guys have been working on the Blue Valley Land Exchange with BLM and the land

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donors for a long, long time. And so some of this funding would enhance. It's not specific

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to the blue river parcels at all. It's just the Colorado at the confluence. Is that correct?

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There are the discrete parcels and then there's the two miles.

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But it's not on the blue river, though. They're all Colorado River.

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Yeah, you're right. Yes, you're correct.

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So, and then commissioners with regard to those junction bute parcels, excuse me, which are above the highway nine bridge south of Cremeling, so that section above, you know, the, the highway VK group.

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And all the projects they've been doing above the bridge and actually below the bridge on Thompson's.

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That severe head cut on the river that they have, I think, really studied really hard and did a lot of engineering surrounding that.

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There's just going to be some needed coordination between BLM and the ILVK group surrounding that matter.

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and a few years ago it's been probably five or six now talking with Paula

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from BLM she's aware of it so going into the future there's going to be some

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needed coordination so whatever BLM does on those parcels doesn't impact what's

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already been sort of alleviated on the other ones if that makes any sense it does

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But we can, we'll, we can try to facilitate and coordinate that later on down the road.

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Any other questions for Catherine or comments on this project?

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I would assume this needs a motion for approval, would that be accurate?

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Execute the letter of support, yes.

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Motion for approval to execute a letter of support for the project as described by Catherine

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Morris.

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So we didn't take that motion.

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So moved.

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Okay.

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All right, any discussion on the motion?

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On favor.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you, Catherine.

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Yep, thank you.

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Thank you, Catherine.

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I think next up is human services.

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So that's deep.

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Board of commissioners, Deborah,

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Director of Human Services.

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You have in the drop box contract

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between the Board of County commissioners

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and Mountain Family Center

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for the amount not to exceed $20,000 to utilize our temporary assistance to needy family funds to support housing assistance for eligible residents.

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And that contract will go through May 31st of 2025.

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Okay, any questions for Deb on that?

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I'm going to make sure that the system is working.

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Hearing none, I would entertain a motion for that. I move that we approve the services contract between Mountain Family Center and Grand County Board of County Commissioners as presented regarding use of TANF funds. I think that covers it. Any discussion on the motion?

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All in favor? All right, next up is Grand County Sheriff, and that's what we're going to move until 10.30, so that's the one agenda.

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in the item that we are changing.

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So we will go on to attorney items.

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You've got nothing.

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Managers or anything?

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No, sir.

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Okay, there's one thing, Mr. Chair.

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Do you remember that letter from Mayor Frazier?

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Is that letter ready?

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They're all under board business, yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Okay, I think we'll go ahead and do that first if there's nothing else for

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That's turning your manager, so board business and we do have the, we'll go ahead with Commissioner Jimina with what you referenced.

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Later, I think that you referenced.

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It was a request from Mayor Frazier that we support a speed study.

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The parts of US 40 that they're asking for seed out to do speed study on includes just a little bit that's into the town of one of the parking a little bit that's an unincorporated Grand County.

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My fellow commissioners may have some concerns, sometimes citizens are in a hurry and anyway, I support doing the study

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I think it will likely reduce the speed, but there is that risk always, there's I think brand is aware that

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Speed could go up, I think it's unlikely. Anyway, I didn't want to assume you all support the

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I support assigning this, do you have some concerns or any questions?

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Well, the only concern that I think I should voice is that exactly what you said, sometimes speed studies go the wrong way

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They want to do a speed study so people will slow down and that's not that what actually happens

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Because speed studies are a measurement of what people, the average speed of what people

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are doing on that road, more or less.

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But if that average is what's higher than it's posted, then sometimes it gets changed

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or faster.

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And sometimes that's not what the people that are making the complaints are wanting.

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So I think it's important to voice that.

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So I really saw what they're doing the study to get that average down, so yes I think we

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would support that, knowing that there is sometimes unintended consequences for what

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the people are wanting.

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I would entertain a motion for that.

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I move that we approve and have the chair sign this letter of support for a speed management

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that's been studied around and through the town of Frazier as requested by the mayor of Frazier.

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Any discussion on the motion?

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On favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you.

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Everyone.

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Okay.

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Commissioner's also in your box.

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Request you make a motion regarding the CCI legislative committee designation to ratify

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the approval and authorize Commissioner Linky to execute designated designating Commissioner

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Linky as designee and Commissioner Chimino as alternate.

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So I would entertain that motion.

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Move that we declare a linky to be our designee for the CCI legislative committee and declare

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that commissioner Chimino be the alternate for that position.

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Any discussion on the motion?

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There is a legislative, I guess, issues meeting this Friday.

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I do plan to attend in person unless something goes haywire then I will attend via the Zoom.

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There's also CCI Board Meeting at 8 o'clock before the, I also plan to attend so that is

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this Friday. But anyway, that's all the discussion I have. Any other discussion on this motion

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for designated voter?

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Done? All in favor? Aye. Aye.

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All right. Thank you. Do I just sign that one? That's retroactive actually. So there's nothing

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to actually sign. We had staff stamp. You left. Oh, that's right. We did that. That is correct.

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Okay. Anything else under board business? Yes. Okay. Go ahead.

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but some commissioners also in your box is some information regarding the county.

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A bash that's a middle part medical foundation fundraiser, and the town of Kremlin has already issued a special event liquor license for that, but as you know, the county and the town jointly own the Kremlin Airport even though it's in town, we're requesting you to,

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oh, what's the correct verbiage, authorize the sale of alcohol at the Kremlin Airport property.

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That's

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Friday, Friday October 4th starts at 5.30.

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I would entertain a motion then for this request.

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Move that we approve the special event permit for the Middle Park Medical Foundation for

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an event to be held at the Femaling Airport on October 4th between 5.30 and 10 p.m.

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Yes,

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that I believe that covers it, is there any discussion on the motion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Also, information in your box, October is domestic violence awareness month.

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Also there is a caverc media day this Friday starting at 10 a.m., commissioners you're invited.

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If you're going to attend, please let us know.

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I believe we need to RSVP the National Park by, what was it, Thursday, Thursday evening?

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What is that date?

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This Friday, the 4th at 10 a.m., I'm not going to make that one.

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They were getting all sorts of, you know, project requests and media requests.

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And so they're going to just have a media day and invite the public as well to see, you know, all the great accomplishments.

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with that project and some of the fencing and the return

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of thought but the beaver analogues.

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Thank you.

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You were analogues.

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Those are dealt by the trained beaver task force.

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Anyway, you're invited.

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If you wish to attend, please let us know.

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If any staff going?

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Absolutely.

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Kaylee will definitely be there.

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I believe Catherine is also attending.

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I will

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not be able to attend.

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I'll let you know tomorrow.

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What else you got?

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So, CDOT, I believe, will be on the agenda, I think, next week, the 8th.

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And commissioners, were there anything specific?

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We were,

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maybe they could speak more on the speed study, update on red dirt hill, also update,

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maybe on the passing lanes.

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that project. I haven't been up that way in quite a while. I don't know where they're out on that.

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And then the various paving projects. So is there anything else in particular that you would like them to update on?

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I had a call from a citizen and it seems like there's been two rollovers on birthed by trucks.

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Those are pretty serious. And I wonder if there's different signings that needs to go up there or, I don't know, it seems like it's really,

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There's a lot of truck semi truck traffic gravel trucks belly dumps side dumps whatever over birth of this year

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And I don't know where they're hauling from or two

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don't

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I might be able to ask him about that

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Anything else?

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I'll go ahead and I'm bridge

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Their adoption of

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That's on the last one. All right

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One other thing while I'm thinking about it. I think we actually commissioned Chimino brought this up yesterday about the county signs

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the slow udonky down kind of signs. But CIDOT has a really bad sign fatigue problem.

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For example on highway 125 there's an open range cows on highway. There has been cows on the

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highway since 2001. And I think that that's just one example. And I think there is some examples

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of sign fatigue and maybe they could do a little bit better job of flashing lights or something on

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bad corners or whatever. I think it's just something worth taking a look.

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Time fatigue.

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People, they see that same sign for 400 times, they don't pay attention to it.

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out there, and same thing sometimes even even

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This summer, the road construction projects on Highway 40, there was warning slowdown signs, but then there was no construction. So after a few times passed that you ignore it, and then the next day there is construction, so get the mess. So even the immediate sign fatigue problems, but also the long-term sign fatigue problems.

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Okay, so I got.

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I weigh passing lanes north of Kremlin. They're working vigorously.

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is prep the sub-base for the outer lanes and there yet, there's a lot of material.

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Yes,

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the project took a lot more than the guy initially.

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Okay, that's all, proceed out, I guess.

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What else got there in the smear?

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Anything else in there?

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Okay, I think that's it.

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Okay, so I guess we could do, unless there's any other correspondence or anything that commissioners need to bring up, we could do calendars.

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This

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is Commissioner Chimino and so I'll just let my fellow commissioners know that I will be out of town the next two Tuesdays.

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Eighth in the 15th.

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Yeah, private business on the 8th, that will be available to Hop-On Zoom call, just not during certain times.

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For example, the early breakfast meeting that should be over by 9 a.m., that have a lunch meeting, so there will be a window there the morning I can hop on.

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I appreciate the flexibility, you know, if naturally two commissioners conduct any business at all.

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If, for some reason, a contentious issue is out there, I'll do my best to top on if I want to fight for those items.

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I'm sure you can manage that, sir.

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On the 15th, I'll be at Mount Towns 2020, or 2030.

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That's that environmental agreement.

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That's a cast, sponsor thing, or an answer.

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They're related, and there's a cast meeting kind of at the tail end of it, but separate groups, but yeah, the cast is.

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So that one should be a little more flexible, just a conference, but I can hop out of any offer, but it's all look at the agenda and welcome, you know, yourself or the manager to say, rich, these are the items where that's

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next two, two days.

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If there's something, as you look through that stuff that comes out beforehand, if there's something that you would definitely want to weigh in, I'll just let us know, or if you have an adamantly opposition to, and we need to hear that, I guess, or we could hear that beforehand.

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Curtis, the 15th is preliminary budget determination?

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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anything

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else for calendars so

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it's not something that we need to notice but on

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Saturday I'll be involved in a stream management tour if

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any site as well as

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companies managers

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strange looks why is that private

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tours oh it's part of

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the

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That's why I mentioned it so you'd know.

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Thank you.

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And on the 10th, there's Northwest TPR meeting in freight.

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I'm

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really disappointed that Rich will not be in attendance at our annual Jail Inspection next Tuesday. Yeah, that is, I was going to bring that up also. The annual Jail Inspection has next Tuesday scheduled roughly at lunchtime 11, 15 or so.

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Mr. Chimino, since you mentioned the 15th as well, that's on some monthly strategy call with Waller and McClosey. Thank you.

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Yeah, I'll probably be able to join that.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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The first schedule.

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What was the terminology that chief wouldn't get used?

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It's on the email response last 90 cents.

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It's a pretty good article from Denver Post.

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But it described legislation that I think is all about building.

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It wasn't about that like the word.

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Like when you don't do a delivery.

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You're there, you're doing some supplies, but you don't deliver, and it's like three words.

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I thought I'd put the note, but I was looking at my notes at home, and I'm looking here.

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I can't find that term.

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From his email?

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No, it wasn't an email.

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We talked, it was written down during the media.

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I said, hey, guys, I'm going to ask Waller McClosie to look what is going on at the state and federal level when it comes to X.

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It's like, preventative.

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Maybe we can...

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Are you going to last night try to ask him?

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What was that term?

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Anyway, I'll try to get that today and we'll try to get that off to them maybe when we have that call on the 15th, Mr. George.

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They claim to be very plugged in when it comes to healthcare stuff at the state and federal level.

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So I think that's a nice area that can benefit a lot of colonial counties and Colorado EMS departments if that can start being talked about, about being able to bill.

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It won't do a transport.

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He did use a term for that.

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Well, I'm looking at that email also just to see in the letter, it's not in his email, it's in.

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Oh, it was something he talked about yesterday.

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Surprise billing, that's different.

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House bill 1218.

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We'll get it, we'll get the term, but-

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Yeah, we'll get it.

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I don't think it was for intersurprise billing, but-

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No, it had to do with pre-transportation treatment service.

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Oh, yeah.

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No, it wasn't tied to the super-role transportation rate.

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It was about providing services or providing medical services on site services.

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Treatment, prior to transport, or whatever that is.

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Yeah, they think it's an accurate and important thing.

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But they don't transport, but they do try it on site.

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Okay, so they don't really do much now.

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Right, but they don't get compensation for it.

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That's right, and we get paid for it if they don't transport.

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Okay, as I mentioned earlier on my calendar is CCI meeting on Friday.

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The CCI board is at 8 o'clock, and then the whole legislative issues discussion follows that at nine until two or how long it takes.

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I will be attending either via Zoom or in-person.

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Okay.

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Anything else on the board business correspondence?

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Founders.

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Hearing none, do we need to jump into budget?

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In place.

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Treatment in place, there you go.

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Austin just tested, Mike.

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Treatment in place.

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Treatment in place.

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On site.

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In place.

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Are we good to start budget hearings early,

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15?

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Okay, soon as you're ready, then we'll go ahead and start with our first budget hearing today, which is economic

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development, which is Diane Butler and she's here.

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Chair, withers, soon as we're ready. I'll give you a quick update on our change. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's do that. Let's do the budget summary from yesterday and update on that first. And then, Diane, you'll be right after that.

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I do like the picture up there today at

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an acronym, TIP.

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This is just a review of the changes in the hearings yesterday. We started off the hearings with a projected surplus of 8,343,000.

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dollars. The district attorney increased his wages, there was a change in the statutes

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for our

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airports, adjusted their federal and state grants, they reduced the amount, we're

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going to be reimbursed.

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13,000 and state went down by 6,000.

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Corresponding reduction in

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In cost, so we use his expenses for federal and state reimburse cost of $119,000 to earn $78.00.

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And the county match on cost was reduced by $6,000 to earn $79.00.

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We corrected an error in the foreigners personnel cost, $2,646.00.

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increased EMS chief reduced his meetings and trainings by 26,000.

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So that takes us to a new vector surplus of 8,365,630, that's

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where we stand.

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Okay, questions for Curtis on that before we go on.

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Hearing none, we'll go ahead and start with economic development, so Diane Butler is here.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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I am Butler of Grand County Economic Development on the budget that I submitted on the draft

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budget.

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The only change that I'd mentioned at the update within Tiro is that I would like to see

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about maybe getting 10,000 more into my budget for administering the data information and keeping

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being a current that is all coming off of the tourism EDA revitalization plan.

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There's a lot of really rich data, but we want to keep it current.

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So once a year, it would be great to be able to review it and update it and

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maybe contract somebody to do that work.

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Okay, any questions for Diane regarding that?

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Not sure, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chimino.

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Thanks, Dan.

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I support us doing this, even if it has to be from the General Fund.

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However, I would certainly like to see if we can use tourism tax dollars to fund that contract.

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We might prefer route, but it might be in a relatively small amount.

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I don't think it'll affect the overall budget of the tourism board to a great degree.

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However, should that, you know, be impossible, then I would support the journal fund doing it.

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I really like to pursue the tourism board funding that, and we do that every year.

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So, you know, so I guess that would be a decision for the commissioners and the tourism, you know,

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what their budget looks like.

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Some of the data is probably more economic development specific, but some of it will be very helpful

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for the doors and board. So a lot of business related information.

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Motion that will allow everybody in the county to keep more efficient updated data.

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Okay. So what, can I just jump in? Yeah. So are you proposing adding 10,000 to the tourism board budget? Or are you proposing to keep 10,000 in here and directing us to figure it out if we can maybe do a split or even all of it out of tourism board? What's your direction?

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Well, that actually leads to some unanswered questions.

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First of all, the tourism ballot question hasn't been approved yet that we can use that

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money for something else, it may, or we could use, I guess, tourism money for part of

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it, like you said, some of it is directly related to tourism advertising, which is acceptable

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uses now.

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Well, it's directed, yeah, it's directed to rich information that would help with tourism

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decisions.

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in some cases.

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So I guess the question that is before us today is simple and that is to add this money

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to your budget.

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And I guess it would come up to us later how that gets funded from whatever source.

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And we actually reduced my budget again this year before I thought about the fact that I wanted

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to keep this data current.

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So, we reduced 20,000 out of professional services because data fives being paid for by the

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tourism board that, you know, originally was in my budget.

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I'm just, I guess, I think what you're asking, I'm going to paraphrase what you just said

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or what you just thought actually.

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What you're asking is that are we going to approve this request contingent upon funding

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from an evasource?

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And I think the answer is no, because I think we want to fund this anyway.

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So I think what I would ask, and you guys certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but what I asked

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the financing to do is say, is go ahead and add this in there, but maybe put an asterisk

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by it so that we can be reminded to look into where this money is going to come from.

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That's on all right, Mr. Chair, if it's okay, Mr. Chimino, yes, that could be, and if it's

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the only way it could happen, I would support that, but my preference would be very strongly

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to 100% dictate that the budget we approve, for the tourism board, let's be sure to see

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it proves that.

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There will be 10K for this from there.

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I think the overlap, yeah, we're not going to do 5K, 5K, I just, I think in my opinion,

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I mean, we should surely try anything that's not state required.

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And I think it's not legally required for us to do when those things can be funded by other voter approved revenues.

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We should always lean that way.

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Now, sometimes it's not there.

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We've done 300K roughly year after year from the general fund for the donor revised.

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But as things have happened, so I would say my decision would prefer that we direct finance to not add 10K.

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Thank you for the 20k savings, but that we're going to add 10k to the tourism board.

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I assume I haven't looked yet and I assume there's some 2025 budget that the tourism board proposed that is reserved.

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not. We'll see. And maybe we'll have to wait. We could say that now with the TV

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D on the vote outcome. There's no member. Then there'll definitely be funds available.

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But if you prefer the other way, you know, I think we're actually kind of saying the same thing. It's just put an

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asterisk by this. We're going to fund it. And we could, we could, we could, I could agree with

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Commissioner Chimino. We can, we can prioritize where it's coming from at a tourism

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$1,000, but we don't know for sure if that's going to come out of the additional change to the tax that might or might not be approved by voters or whatever, but I think we put this money in there, but put an answer it's by this to be determined where it's going to be fund from exactly with a note to prioritize $2,000.

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Yeah, and I guess I'll just throw up there that I'm always you know looking for grant money

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So there could be we could find funds that we could apply for to also fund it, you know, but

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Probably I don't know of any right now. So what's the proper

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Language for that update so it's a data update for yeah, it would be a contract to continue to update the

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the county's data information, I guess, you know,

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or county data.

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Data and information, same thing. So just data. Oh, the EDA grant was was the tourism revitalization for our purposes today. We're going to add that money in there. Okay. Great. That's wonderful. That's what the finance team needs to do. Okay. We'll put a note by it to determine exactly how they get funded. Okay. Anything else for you? I think everything else I explained to an

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And we did the, you know, we've, the most of what's in revenue is for the EDA, the new

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EDA grant and the match is $40,000 that's coming out of the budget for the $200,000 EDA

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and we're getting ready to do RFPs and you'll also for you to sign the final documents on

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that.

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Okay, I'll do, there's

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00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,360
no where, or is that okay?

453
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Well, premature, but I will say that I'm sure it's fine to mention that, you know, with

454
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:18,000
a gaudy moving out of Tabernasius space, I have had two meetings with those landlords

455
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,800
because there's great space there that could be perfect for business incubation and that's

456
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,020
kind of incubator programs, and that's kind of what they're looking to lease.

457
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,780
So anybody that's currently looking for space, please contact me so I can give you their

458
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:41,180
name because as landlords, they're already actively looking at filling some of that space,

459
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:48,840
but it might be a really amazing space for some of the outcome of this grant, along with

460
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,660
other, you know, what I kind of see is if something makes sense for Cremling, there

461
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:59,800
might be space in Cremling, Graham B, you know, but so we'll identify all the possibilities,

462
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:08,160
but that's like almost turn key. It would be really amazing. And so that's just an update

463
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,560
on that.

464
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:12,820
Any other questions for Diane?

465
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:19,580
Diane, just could you fill me in a little bit more on professional

466
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,880
services. Yes, so that's the.

467
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Talk about this analysis of data. Yes, which isn't in there yet, but that's where it would be added.

468
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:44,240
Right now what's in there is mostly this new EDA grant, so 160,000 of EDA funds will pay for the consultant to do the incubator business plan and feasibility study.

469
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,860
And then the other little bit of funds that are in there are for

470
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:56,240
Robin who does some of my assistant work, which is also the 10,000 that comes from Freeport,

471
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:04,020
Mac Moran, to pay her to do some of that, and then another 10 that is for throughout the year,

472
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:08,780
which I don't always use that, but throughout the year is we do the economic summit.

473
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:13,140
Sometimes we bring in speakers or for business training programs.

474
00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:23,600
and so we are working on a whole business training program in partnership with the Chamber and

475
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,140
in Granby and also the library to monthly start doing educational training programs.

476
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:33,780
ADA grant is 200,000.

477
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:34,840
200,000.

478
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:41,960
So 200 of that is ADA, 160 of it coming in as grant revenue offsetting the total.

479
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
So we have 40,000 in there.

480
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:53,800
Any other questions for Diane? Anything else for us?

481
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:56,660
Nothing at this time. Okay

482
00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:02,940
Sounds good. I guess we will have to call the finance director and see if he

483
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:08,340
Okay, I guess we can break for a bit then until we

484
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,760
So we make sure that he's ready

485
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:13,340
Two-minute recess

486
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:17,520
Yes, she's going to raise that's really trying to get, but we take a five minute recess.

487
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:18,900
Yeah, thank you for those offer five.

488
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:21,920
We'll start back up at 10 920.

489
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,500
Thank you, Diane.

490
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,540
That's a seven minute.

491
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Microphone's on, we're going to go on back and start back up with our finance team to present their budget.

492
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,760
Finance director, Mr. Curtis, lining, you are up. Thank you, commissioners.

493
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:33,980
Have 11. Sorry.

494
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,620
Number 11.

495
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:47,060
Our budget has not gone up mainly due to personnel costs. We have four.

496
00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:53,420
large part of our budget each year.

497
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:05,900
The, I also have a lot of professional fees and technical contracts of about $84,750 this year.

498
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,000
We are going to

499
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:22,280
roughly $32,000 each year for this open-go software encode.

500
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:24,440
Is there a counting software?

501
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:31,300
I think there'll be about a 7% inflation on that cost $32,500.

502
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:42,480
We have subscriptions for QuickBooks online for various departments like the Fair and Livestock sale.

503
00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:46,100
That's 7,000 a year.

504
00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:52,860
And we have a new, well, the last couple of years we've used a software called DET Book, which helps us with our,

505
00:51:52,860 --> 00:52:04,180
There's some special reporting we have to do each year in our annual reports, and so that software helps us keep track of the leases and the reporting of those of

506
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:18,590
4,000 in our meetings and training is important to keep up with our profession.

507
00:52:18,590 --> 00:52:26,790
question. Is do you have any questions? I actually do. So you mentioned a couple of these

508
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:36,950
other different software debt records and then QuickBooks. Do those things talk to open

509
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:39,130
gov or does that require some manual?

510
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:53,360
It requires manual. Connect. QuickBooks does, but I mean

511
00:52:53,360 --> 00:53:00,840
And soft or open-gov does, but that's the only one that we have that integrates within

512
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:01,260
code.

513
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Quick books and that book do not.

514
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:12,640
So somebody has to read that number correctly, then enter it into whatever presents these

515
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,220
or creates these graphs.

516
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:15,840
Yes, sir.

517
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,320
Yeah, that's a journal entry process.

518
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Yes, that caused a lot of extra staff time to do it that way.

519
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:31,400
What does take staff time?

520
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,680
I don't think it's extraordinary, but.

521
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,620
And the reason I'm asking is if there is something else out there that kind of integrates

522
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:40,000
everything.

523
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:41,240
Would that be simpler?

524
00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:46,040
Is that even an option or just doesn't work to do those kind of things like the voice life

525
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,580
stocks they let kind of, it kind of has to be on QuickBooks, I guess.

526
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:50,780
Yes.

527
00:53:54,530 --> 00:54:02,770
Quick books, the good thing about quick books is it's simple to use any people already

528
00:54:02,770 --> 00:54:03,890
know how to use it.

529
00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:09,170
The bad thing is it doesn't integrate to our software.

530
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:17,790
I like using that for the fair because we have volunteers, run those boards and they turn

531
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:25,710
over periodically with personnel and so I guess I'm weighing the ease of use our

532
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,900
staff's

533
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:35,980
time converting that data into encoded. We've gotten pretty good at it.

534
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:41,820
But you can export from QuickBooks to a spreadsheet and then just cut and paste into encodes.

535
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,020
Right. Is that how you do that?

536
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,640
Well, we have to type it in. But yeah, you can export it to Excel.

537
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,980
but we can set up templates to help us do journal entries.

538
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:59,600
You can export it to Excel and that's a live Excel spreadsheet.

539
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:28,760
Yes, sir. But then that wasn't, that doesn't go into open guv. Right. Still manual out of that. Right. Okay. So help me to understand because open guv does a lot of things. Right. And your end code is at a module of open gov is that separate and it does integrate. It's separate. It's a separate software from Tyler technologies.

540
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:37,600
It's a same company produces software for our treasurer and also produces software for our assessor.

541
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:41,500
Oh, the Eagle view.

542
00:55:44,280 --> 00:56:00,380
It's a separate program, but the open-gov software is able to integrate with encode and every night it goes in and reads data from encode.

543
00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:00,700
Yes.

544
00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:08,050
Updates the actual accounting records in that program.

545
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:16,610
Yeah, before we were using a bunch of Excel spreadsheets to back it up, and this is much better than what we did.

546
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:16,890
Absolutely.

547
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:18,070
Before with Excel.

548
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:23,150
Contrary to someone's opinion, it is much better.

549
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:30,370
It helps me analyze what's going on.

550
00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:38,530
Our end code that it's really strong at letting all our departments do their vouchers separately.

551
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:42,890
They can multiple people working in there at the same time from different locations.

552
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:48,690
But it's not, it's very siloed, each fund and each department.

553
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:50,730
It's hard to pull things together.

554
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:59,810
We're open to pulls everything together and I can drill down from many different ways.

555
00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:06,550
Yeah.

556
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:08,910
We're not done.

557
00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:09,610
Yeah.

558
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:10,270
That word.

559
00:57:11,410 --> 00:57:11,910
New password.

560
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:14,690
Could not go on downstairs that was a lot of fun.

561
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:14,910
Do.

562
00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:15,830
Ok.

563
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:20,040
Okay.

564
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:20,920
So.

565
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:22,420
I'll find Amy.

566
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,600
And then it also helps you with the cafe correct.

567
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Yes, it does.

568
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:27,980
That's the.

569
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,240
That's another huge.

570
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:29,960
That open.

571
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,700
I'm not trying to dig into and tell you how to do your jobs or anything like that, don't

572
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:38,240
take it that way.

573
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:42,660
Just if we're always, I mean we have this discussion a few years ago about doing all this stuff

574
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:46,720
out of Excel and it seemed really clunky and used up a lot of time and I think this is a

575
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,140
lot better.

576
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,100
Just, it would be nice if some of those would integrate also, but like you said trade

577
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:55,120
out between ease of use which is quick books and people know how to use it.

578
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,240
It's simple.

579
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,740
Let's say I'll committee, for example,

580
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:00,060
the livestock sale knows how to do it, I get it.

581
00:58:00,940 --> 00:58:03,540
If it's not a huge burden, I guess it's not anything

582
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:04,640
I should be concerned with.

583
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:07,080
Let's not a perfect world, you're right.

584
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:09,760
But we're comfortable with it.

585
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:11,300
It's the best tradeoff I think at this point.

586
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,340
But at the end of the day, is it way more efficient

587
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:18,700
that in-code talks to open-gov and updates open-gov more efficiently

588
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:23,140
than having to take downloads from in-code

589
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:25,360
and then put them into those old spreadsheets

590
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,280
and then update the spreadsheets.

591
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:30,260
Isn't this way more efficient than that?

592
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,100
That process.

593
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,780
They've got a huge improvement.

594
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,180
I can't be found for sure.

595
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,480
The integration of open-gov is tremendous.

596
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,220
Yeah.

597
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:38,500
Okay.

598
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:39,460
I'll leave it alone.

599
00:58:39,580 --> 00:58:40,020
I understand.

600
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:40,760
I'm good.

601
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:43,140
Anything else?

602
00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:47,420
That's all I have for you this year.

603
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,180
Okay.

604
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,700
Any questions for Curtis?

605
00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:54,610
All right.

606
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:55,750
Thank you, commissioners.

607
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:59,610
No, we had our clerk here, but no, the clerk is gone.

608
00:59:01,410 --> 00:59:03,870
We asked for a vote.

609
00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:04,910
I see that.

610
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:05,750
Yeah, noted.

611
00:59:06,130 --> 00:59:06,190
Yes.

612
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:13,450
Clerk and Recorder, as well as the county assessor to move from their slots very, very late this

613
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:19,050
afternoon to fill in some of the slots now since we're ahead of schedule.

614
00:59:24,910 --> 00:59:30,170
I think we should just go and do the assessors budget right now.

615
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:32,770
Are we good with that, Curtis?

616
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:33,170
Yes.

617
00:59:33,930 --> 00:59:34,890
So we're tab 21.

618
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:35,910
tab 21.

619
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,070
So the assessor's office, we're going to go ahead and go with you guys.

620
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:40,870
We're

621
00:59:58,310 --> 00:59:59,470
so pretty fine, we're so pretty.

622
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:03,960
All

623
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:32,970
right. I think we're good to go with the assessor's office. Okay. How would, how are we proceeding? So, well, really it's up to you, but kind of what seems to work pretty well. It's kind of go through any kind of significant changes up or down to your budget with revenues and expenses and maybe make a note of any of those things. Why those are usually different from what was budgeted and what is asked for this year, things like that. Okay.

624
01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:39,470
We have any questions, we just generally ask them along the way, or sometimes we have questions at the end if that works for you, that's how it is.

625
01:00:40,970 --> 01:01:00,610
So what we're looking at is that this coming year, there's a lot of uncertainty, just administratively, we're still trying to work out the state has changed the different assessment rates for

626
01:01:00,610 --> 01:01:08,190
different categories of properties, we're still trying to figure out how that's going to be implemented.

627
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:14,070
We're anticipating next

628
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:21,740
year's a re-value year. We are anticipating a heavy volume,

629
01:01:21,740 --> 01:01:31,180
hopefully not as much as we saw in 23. That was just a very phenomenal, I would expect for

630
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:37,160
this upcoming year we should be seeing an excess of 2,000 protests rather than the

631
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:45,560
4,500 that we saw in 23. It's still going to be very heavy. So we need to plan

632
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:53,580
for that. Part of that planning is that so we've increased our postage budget a

633
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:59,320
little bit because we're going to have to send out notices to everybody. We do

634
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:18,280
We do work along with the treasure on a firm that does all the printing and mailing and postage for us to get it down to the lowest possible price, but we anticipate that that's going to increase something.

635
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:28,460
The biggest items that we're looking at is under professional services, where we have our

636
01:02:28,460 --> 01:02:29,680
outside consultants.

637
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:42,240
What we're looking at, a big concern is with Frazier just implemented their downtown

638
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:48,420
development, urban renewal, we call it a TIFF, T-I-F, which stands for Tax

639
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:57,580
Increment Financing. Phrasher just implemented theirs this year, but next year

640
01:02:57,580 --> 01:03:05,280
will be the real start of it as far as working on values. And Winter Park,

641
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:11,960
both Winter Park and the ski area, have notified us on the county that they

642
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,740
plan on doing two. At this point,

643
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,640
that's all that we know. I don't know how big is going to be,

644
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:31,660
what properties is going to encompass. The rules are, is that it has to be within the town boundaries.

645
01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:40,260
If it includes the entire town boundaries, we're talking almost 5,000 accounts, where the

646
01:03:40,260 --> 01:03:43,160
The Frazier one is the right at 200 accounts.

647
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:51,680
So one of our concerns is, is that how do we try to implement that?

648
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,820
And so that's part of our additional consulting fees that we've put into line items.

649
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:02,360
Is that I honestly don't know if we can handle it?

650
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:05,320
Well, I don't think that we can internally.

651
01:04:05,540 --> 01:04:09,040
I think that we're going to have to reach out to others.

652
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:18,640
I've reached out to different counties as to guidance and assistance, but I don't know what we're asking for.

653
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,700
I don't have a set figure, but I do know that we're probably going to be looking at that.

654
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:37,740
We're also looking at Larry Bamman has been instrumental in working on some additional guidance

655
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:39,360
on commercial properties.

656
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:50,000
We do anticipate that with these tests that most likely they're going to be for large

657
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,320
commercial projects.

658
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:59,760
We don't have the expertise to handle that, Larry's been reaching out to outside

659
01:04:59,760 --> 01:04:59,780
I'm sorry.

660
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,440
In addition to the one that we currently have, the micacana, where this name is John Zimmerman,

661
01:05:09,780 --> 01:05:17,640
he's with the U.S., the U.S. is correct. And he pretty much exclusively does commercial

662
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:25,920
properties for almost all the Western Slob counties. So Larry's been in communications

663
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:35,140
with him. He's also been working on, and it's in our budget for

664
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:46,460
a subscription to his called co-star, which is a statewide database of commercial properties.

665
01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:56,160
We already have a database for commercial properties for construction, what it costs to build something.

666
01:05:56,860 --> 01:06:03,000
This co-star is a database of what properties have actually sold for.

667
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:15,040
So it's pretty complex, it's fairly expensive, and Larry's also been working on seeing if there's any way that we can kind of co-share that cost with other counties.

668
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:26,480
So, we are anticipating that we're going to meet it, but we're trying to work out the best and most economical ways for the county to justify it.

669
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:36,140
All the other ones are normal, our Tyler, our computer software.

670
01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:51,040
where I've got in there one item that we're still not sure of is that currently we use

671
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:57,760
as read for all of our GIS stuff and IT is working on.

672
01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:05,520
So right now every user has their own license and we pay for that license.

673
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:12,220
There's discussion with Thomas and with Jody Flores, I'm perhaps going with an enterprise

674
01:07:12,220 --> 01:07:12,840
zone.

675
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,120
So then we just get one umbrella license.

676
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,260
It would be cheaper, but that's really an IT question.

677
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:30,100
I have in mind by just that we're going to remain with that individual license if we go to the

678
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:35,280
the enterprise and those funds would then just be transferred and allocated to IT.

679
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:41,220
So to be determined at this point, excuse me, Tom.

680
01:07:41,780 --> 01:07:43,000
Just a quick question.

681
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:51,060
Could you give us, give me a two or three minute primer on tax increment financing.

682
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,560
And I know that's a big question, big area, but just try to do it in a nutshell.

683
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:08,860
And then the other question is, this is going into effect now, and you mentioned the number of accounts that 200 and

684
01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:11,000
have renash in the 5,000 in the window.

685
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:11,480
We don't know.

686
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:12,120
Correct.

687
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:22,020
But is that something then that will be the same level of work for you all every time we do evaluation?

688
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:25,580
Actually, it's incremental.

689
01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:41,700
It will be increasing, so the tip what it is is that you as an urban renewal, whatever it is, you found a piece of property that needs, it's blighted whatever it is that you need to redevelop it.

690
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:50,460
Okay, so once you identified that property, the assessor's office, we set the base value.

691
01:08:50,460 --> 01:09:02,760
So we say, okay, as of today, the value of that property is X, then depend on what the plans are for the development.

692
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,800
We're going to, what a high-rise condo commercial property, whatever it is.

693
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:37,600
So, what happens is that as they develop that property that base property increases in value and what that difference is is what the developer so that increase in value and the taxes associated with that is what that is kind of pulled out and used to pay for the bar.

694
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,600
runs for that development.

695
01:09:41,820 --> 01:09:43,440
So, the guys went out and got alone,

696
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:45,900
so we're going to build this thing,

697
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,040
it's going to be $100 million,

698
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:49,160
or whatever it may be,

699
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:52,240
and we're going to be able to pay for it

700
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,960
because of the increase in value.

701
01:09:56,060 --> 01:09:59,920
So, every re-value year,

702
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,080
We have to reestablish the new base.

703
01:10:05,380 --> 01:10:28,540
And they typically go from anywhere from 20 to 50 years. But it's a responsibility of the assessor's office to a determined the base and the increase in value. So if there's just two projects in winter park.

704
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:36,120
Then you only have two things to deal with, if there's 200 projects and you have 200 to deal with, am I right?

705
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:42,980
Well, the deal is that Frazier has one one, okay.

706
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,220
When it comes to 200 properties.

707
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:48,280
I see, okay, got it.

708
01:10:48,740 --> 01:10:49,680
Oh, I understand, yeah.

709
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:56,980
So the district, the development district, whatever it is, that geographic boundary, it could be any of the things in there.

710
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:14,320
So it can be as simple as one project, like in Colorado Springs, they took a block of property redeveloped it as the arena.

711
01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:25,460
Okay, the sports arena, but that is one tiff or one property.

712
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,840
They've got close to a hundred different tiffs.

713
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,600
Some of them are singleton properties.

714
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:39,100
Some of them are downtown core multiple blocks, so it depends.

715
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,880
Great job in a short amount of time.

716
01:11:41,980 --> 01:11:42,340
Thank you.

717
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:43,700
And now I have a question on that.

718
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:49,200
So you mentioned the geographic boundaries of that TIFF district, correct?

719
01:11:49,780 --> 01:11:53,140
Is that only within municipalities as defined by city limits?

720
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,740
Or is that something that can be done in unincorporated counties?

721
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:57,780
I don't know.

722
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,460
The urban, there's the downtown development, redevelopment, and

723
01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:12,940
the lighted one, the urban renewal has to be within the town limits.

724
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:26,140
Could the county do one, I believe so, I have been blissfully ignorant on this until, no, I'm sorry.

725
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,940
We have heard that the town of Granby has discussed it casually.

726
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:39,440
Well, it's a question coming up at CCI kind of on the long these same lines, but a similar idea that counties would be able to do this.

727
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:40,120
Yes.

728
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:45,160
Not clear whether they can or not, I think, right now.

729
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:55,880
So, yes, I would say that yes, if there was a project that the county wanted to put in

730
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:01,500
aid development and unincorporated, I would think that these same tools would be available

731
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,940
to the county as they would to a town.

732
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,180
Yes, sir.

733
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,900
What I understand, maybe.

734
01:13:07,780 --> 01:13:08,600
I don't know.

735
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,020
I'm not sure either.

736
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:18,780
And Deb Lindblum has mentioned how important it is to get right during the base year because if it's wrong, then it's a 50 year wrong.

737
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:19,540
That's right.

738
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:20,480
That's right forever, yeah.

739
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:32,700
And what I'm concerned about is that talking to other counties where this has occurred in other resort communities.

740
01:13:35,820 --> 01:13:47,760
So, on the one hand you have the development, we want this increase in value, so we can take that increase to pay for the bond, in terms of loading money against that increased value.

741
01:13:47,820 --> 01:13:48,440
Right, gotcha.

742
01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:54,900
But then also, but you are the shared in hotel, whatever.

743
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:04,980
But hey, I'm okay with the TIF, but I'm not okay with my particular property.

744
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:11,940
So there's quite a bit of push and pull as to the valuations.

745
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,560
And it really gets messy.

746
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,780
And the assessor's office is the one stuck in the middle that we have to defend the higher

747
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:30,320
value for the TIFF, but then I have to defend, well, but my property's not worth that much

748
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:30,840
information.

749
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:34,600
There I'm assuming there's some kind of a protest period for that exact situation.

750
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,420
Or that, yes sir.

751
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:35,780
Yeah.

752
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:42,720
Then I guess one other thing that going back to that co-star software would be used to help

753
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,480
to establish that good base, but.

754
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:44,760
Yes sir.

755
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:45,260
Gotcha.

756
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,820
So right now that co-star software is that within the 120,

757
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:52,240
or not?

758
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,300
Yes, sir.

759
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,120
Larry says no.

760
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:55,840
Tom says yes.

761
01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:58,240
I believe you.

762
01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:08,850
When I originally talked to Ed, I don't think it was, but we'd, yeah, you're right. It'll fit. It will fit. Yeah, we will. Yeah. Okay.

763
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:15,730
So, and of the 332 that's under professional services, roughly 220 is

764
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:27,670
allocated for the two, the the Frazier DDA, which is their calling a TIFF and the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.

765
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:51,170
Okay, well, and part of that is that also included in that big umbrella is anticipation of a couple of high value protests where they take it all the way to see Billy and to the BAA.

766
01:15:51,170 --> 01:16:01,830
So that co-star and outside for your praise holds all that's kind of lumped in together.

767
01:16:02,890 --> 01:16:03,030
Okay.

768
01:16:03,650 --> 01:16:08,850
So one other thing, and I know that this stuff is incredibly complicated, especially a new

769
01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:12,590
mention that the very start of how there's so many unknowns because of what the state's

770
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:16,130
doing going forward with taxes and assessment rates and all that stuff.

771
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:29,890
And I know that you guys hire some of these outside companies, professional services, to do this stuff because you don't have the capacity to do it, it's very complicated that enough money in there to do this. Are you comfortable with that amount?

772
01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:33,170
What we know today, yes.

773
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:42,770
You know, he's at if we need to get there later with a supplemental if we need to, but I think we just very complicated.

774
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:53,410
I do think that we, to the best of our abilities looking forward for the next couple of years, I think we're covered.

775
01:16:55,150 --> 01:17:02,290
So, if that all being said, I don't think we're asking for any changes to that any numbers presented here, Curtis, finance, I think we're good.

776
01:17:03,170 --> 01:17:06,870
As long as that co-sart is already talking

777
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:11,870
about that co-sart software.

778
01:17:12,250 --> 01:17:12,430
Yes.

779
01:17:13,230 --> 01:17:14,930
It's already included in that number.

780
01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:17,570
Looted in your professional fees.

781
01:17:17,770 --> 01:17:18,930
That's specifically.

782
01:17:20,090 --> 01:17:22,330
We need to add any money for that.

783
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:38,270
No, I think it would be good for us to just circle back and make sure that we go through what's being called professional services and what's being called professional fees tech software.

784
01:17:41,250 --> 01:17:43,210
We'll just, we'll go back and do that.

785
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:43,610
Okay.

786
01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:48,190
All right, commissioners, any other questions for the assessor?

787
01:17:49,650 --> 01:17:50,790
Okay, I think we're good.

788
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:51,790
Just double check on that.

789
01:17:51,790 --> 01:17:52,170
Thank you, Tom.

790
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:53,210
Thank you very much.

791
01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:53,530
Thank you.

792
01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:54,090
Thank you.

793
01:17:55,210 --> 01:18:00,890
So now I'm not sure who was here first, if I could request the clerk and

794
01:18:00,890 --> 01:18:01,550
recorder go.

795
01:18:01,930 --> 01:18:03,610
Okay, we'll have the clerk and recorder go.

796
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:05,370
Since they were actually here first, then they left.

797
01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:07,550
So, clerk, you are up.

798
01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:12,010
It is not a competition.

799
01:18:12,610 --> 01:18:13,950
It kind of is.

800
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:18,230
I'm sorry, Marcy, but I guess the last good to go first.

801
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:19,490
Okay.

802
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:21,590
Clerk and Recorder is up.

803
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:23,430
So, what tab is that?

804
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:24,290
Good morning.

805
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:25,270
Jolly Linky.

806
01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:26,190
I'm Amy Major.

807
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:27,750
Good morning.

808
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:30,250
Morning.

809
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:36,020
So, we do have changes from when I came and talked to you before.

810
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:44,560
And at that point, I thought I needed another FTE to fit somebody in my recording, but

811
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,760
that is no longer the case.

812
01:18:46,380 --> 01:18:49,780
We did lose an employee who was working in elections.

813
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:56,560
And when we add up our people that are there and our FTEs, as they should be, we now have

814
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:01,780
room for a person to work in recording with my 13 that I've always had.

815
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:03,960
I'm not asking for a 14.

816
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Right.

817
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:05,180
Okay.

818
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:07,040
Appreciate it.

819
01:19:07,060 --> 01:19:07,160
Yeah.

820
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:07,800
Good.

821
01:19:08,340 --> 01:19:08,680
I agree.

822
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:09,160
That's good.

823
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,320
Living vision.

824
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,100
Government.

825
01:19:12,540 --> 01:19:13,260
Small government.

826
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:13,780
Thank you.

827
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:14,380
Yes.

828
01:19:15,460 --> 01:19:21,220
And so having said that then, which department or division of my department would you like to start with?

829
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:22,260
Oh.

830
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:27,660
In order for us to keep track of things, we'll go with 22 A.

831
01:19:37,900 --> 01:19:43,180
So there is some change on this one also right at the marijuana license.

832
01:19:44,980 --> 01:19:57,300
At the point of our discussion with everybody, I said that I guilty had quit, but what I did not know was they shut down six of their seven marijuana shops.

833
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,960
So rather than that decreasing by...

834
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,380
Number one, that decreased by six, so the true number. Just for clarity, not six or seven shops, six of seven licenses. Correct. Well, each shop needs a license to. Well, one shop, per se, building, but they have seven licenses within that building. Correct. So we're not confused. All right. We'll have seven stores in Grand County. Have two locations in Grand County. My apologies.

835
01:20:29,380 --> 01:20:31,520
Maybe I should let any of you speak on this.

836
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:38,380
So seven licenses gone, which means 8,000 upon.

837
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:41,760
They still have one license left, which is I think just retail, correct?

838
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:42,860
Correct.

839
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:43,660
Okay.

840
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:51,440
So that number should be 16,000 expected income at marijuana license.

841
01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:54,580
16,000?

842
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:55,840
That is 72,000.

843
01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:56,420
Yes.

844
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:57,100
Okay.

845
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:58,000
Okay.

846
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:08,760
It's just an aside on that so that means that we have what one or two retail

847
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:14,200
establishments remaining. We have two remaining as of right now and then we

848
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,800
have one that has not developed yet.

849
01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:22,620
Were they that company that was also doing

850
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:25,000
that one on County Road 40.

851
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,500
The Great Divide Retail?

852
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,120
No, that's not on 40.

853
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:32,160
County Road 60, sorry, County Road 60.

854
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:33,260
Yes, yes.

855
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:37,380
So is that one that they're continuing to develop or not?

856
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:37,880
Do we know?

857
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:41,060
As of right now, they're still in a standstill.

858
01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:42,860
OK, thank you.

859
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:49,310
Anything else on that section?

860
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:50,470
Clerk to the board.

861
01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:54,400
Questions on this one?

862
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,900
All right, I'm good to move on then.

863
01:21:56,900 --> 01:22:00,560
We'll go to, if you're good, but here we'll go to 22b.

864
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:17,400
That one that we just looked at, click to the board, that's one of the ones where there's an anomaly in that the regular wages are going down, but the benefits are going up, right, Curtis, it's those situations.

865
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:17,960
Is that correct?

866
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:19,760
Yes, it is.

867
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:20,740
Okay.

868
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:27,280
We just talked about that the benefits depend on the individual employee,

869
01:22:27,780 --> 01:22:32,540
and because some are opting into various programs and not others and whatever.

870
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:33,240
Okay.

871
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:37,260
What are the two B elections?

872
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:38,120
Elections.

873
01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:38,760
Okay.

874
01:22:41,710 --> 01:22:43,910
So, there's nothing on the, well,

875
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:44,610
do

876
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,480
you have any questions on the revenue or expenses on the front page?

877
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:52,420
I

878
01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:57,480
didn't notice any significant changes.

879
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:06,500
Okay, one important thing, we planned only have one election FTE, which will give us

880
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:15,740
2,080 hours to do everything we need to do, so that will decrease expenses from 24, because

881
01:23:15,740 --> 01:23:17,640
we only have one election next year.

882
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:17,640
there.

883
01:23:19,780 --> 01:23:23,840
And also some of those personnel stuff up at the top.

884
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:29,340
You're not asking to change these numbers at this time?

885
01:23:29,620 --> 01:23:29,740
No.

886
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:30,380
Okay.

887
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:31,600
There already in there.

888
01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:32,160
They're in there.

889
01:23:32,460 --> 01:23:34,560
Okay. Questions on that one.

890
01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:36,640
Anything else to point out on this one?

891
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,880
Yeah, there is one thing to point out.

892
01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:47,100
We are one of two counties that print our own ballots in the house. And this November,

893
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:54,580
We're printing a 19 inch ballot front and back, and it is taking forever.

894
01:23:55,740 --> 01:24:04,240
And it took Joni three days, including two weekend days, to deal with dominion and

895
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,880
run back to set that up.

896
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,980
And in her opinion, it's because they're not used to dealing with counties printing their own.

897
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:40,200
So, we are exploring hiring that out and we have done research and found that most counties can get that done between $2 and $4 a ballot and those numbers would fit within my budget for what we spend to do it in house because of the extra time it takes us to do it.

898
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:56,700
The election judges, it takes us to fold and process the paper, the envelopes, if you look in my numbers here that 35,000 is secrecy sleeves, envelopes, instructions, ballot paper, printing, toner.

899
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:59,860
The $15,000 is Dominion, which

900
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:15,800
We would have some set up from the menu, but nowhere near that amount. So, I'm just letting you know that if we make that change, we expect that we'll be able to pay for it with the savings from some of these other items in our budget.

901
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:22,320
but chance ma'am thanks for the information I had no idea I didn't either you know what did the county is?

902
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:28,320
Oh I'm suspecting it could be Jackson because of the low numbers.

903
01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:33,660
It could be there's counties that are lower population than Jackson.

904
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:41,720
There are true but I reached out to a bunch of people and she is one that I didn't hear back from

905
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,100
which kind of gives me a hint she doesn't have that information.

906
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:50,400
Didn't we just have to upgrade our printer?

907
01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:55,020
But it might be worn out when we get done with this.

908
01:25:55,660 --> 01:26:02,160
It is getting to the point during the day where it's too hot and it shuts off and they have to quit.

909
01:26:02,820 --> 01:26:07,040
And then they start again when it's cool just to print this time.

910
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,880
Might find out who that other county is and ask me if they need to buy a printer.

911
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:13,340
I might need to buy a printer.

912
01:26:14,740 --> 01:26:19,900
I am good with exploring that, as you said, especially if it fits with the existing numbers,

913
01:26:21,980 --> 01:26:25,320
I suppose it's what you find out, I think, but if it fits in.

914
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:32,100
Okay, so that's really all that I see to let you know on here, unless you have other questions.

915
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,020
Questions on this one?

916
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:34,440
No.

917
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:36,520
Good to move on.

918
01:26:36,860 --> 01:26:37,080
Okay.

919
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:43,900
We're going to stick with alphabetical today, so the next one would be 22C, which is motor vehicle.

920
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:45,020
Okay,

921
01:26:48,730 --> 01:26:50,850
really no surprises in motor vehicle.

922
01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:53,450
Everything is pretty

923
01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:14,980
much based on the year before, and with a little bit of increase in employee benefits as people gain more time working for our department.

924
01:27:17,620 --> 01:27:20,600
So I have no big

925
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:31,480
changes, no big changes, no, well you know we're all getting new computers

926
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:40,060
and we got all those numbers from IT so they said all of our computers were out of warranty.

927
01:27:40,420 --> 01:27:43,100
So there's that 16,500 down there for that.

928
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:43,740
So,

929
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:56,460
yes, I don't know what I'm missing here, but the

930
01:27:59,370 --> 01:28:04,110
expenses remind me.

931
01:28:05,150 --> 01:28:05,670
Oh, yes.

932
01:28:05,670 --> 01:28:12,530
There's just a big difference between revenue, less expenses in the bottom here.

933
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:18,270
There's like $100,000 difference there, but also have,

934
01:28:22,780 --> 01:28:24,380
yes, I'm okay.

935
01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:26,820
All right, any other questions on this one?

936
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:27,520
Well,

937
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,340
that does,

938
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:50,180
I don't know, there's a double on other taxes between what's actual right now, but the year's not finished and the other.

939
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:56,440
So yeah, the numbers for 24 aren't done, so I think that's causing some of that.

940
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:11,780
The increase in that surplus commissioner probably is from the, we put in a large increase in specific ownership tax from last year's budget.

941
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:24,290
Based on how much we're collecting now and to that and not get changed by the state or why is why the increase for that?

942
01:29:25,170 --> 01:29:34,810
Well, that specific ownership tax, that's what they're collecting when people register their cars and seeing more and more cars.

943
01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:38,170
Analyzing how much they're collecting now.

944
01:29:38,170 --> 01:29:42,550
So we're predicting that more people are going to be transferring or licensing their cars here.

945
01:29:42,670 --> 01:29:43,330
Yes, sir.

946
01:29:47,620 --> 01:29:49,100
Anything else on this one?

947
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:57,520
All right, I think we're good to go on with Birken recording 22D.

948
01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:59,320
The recording.

949
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,020
So we added in the personnel services the second person, so

950
01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:16,950
that the numbers would show that person in that department.

951
01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:34,330
So that's some like regular wages change at the top. That in the current open go. That we have. Yeah, yes, okay.

952
01:30:36,090 --> 01:30:45,550
Remind the commissioners what the 213,000 of actual was the last two years under professional services and we're not budgeting for that.

953
01:30:45,850 --> 01:30:56,770
I can tell you that is the bill that we pay to arch a search that at the end of the year they're going to add the grant for.

954
01:30:57,870 --> 01:31:04,110
Those were the half payments for that big project where they put all of our documents online.

955
01:31:04,110 --> 01:31:04,370
So

956
01:31:07,190 --> 01:31:11,750
they're going to help with applying the grant.

957
01:31:13,150 --> 01:31:16,950
The grant revenue would be coming in under revenue.

958
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:23,340
We just didn't, let me understand this correctly.

959
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,000
We just didn't budget for that expense.

960
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,600
Right. That was after last year's budget.

961
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,420
Didn't budget for the income or the expense, which is why the expense shows up at the income doesn't.

962
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:40,620
Because I came in in 23 after the budget

963
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:47,360
In January 23 when I started the budget had already been done and Sarah wasn't planning on doing that

964
01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:50,700
But I was so that's how that happened

965
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:54,440
So we paid our research we haven't collected

966
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,420
Yeah, I believe we did was

967
01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:05,880
awarded at least

968
01:32:07,820 --> 01:32:11,580
Yeah, 443,000 we do have the main that was in 23

969
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:14,560
Okay. Okay.

970
01:32:19,870 --> 01:32:29,730
Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, that's that 443 up there. Okay. Okay. I'll get on that one. Yeah. Any other questions on that one.

971
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:43,840
Okay. We're going to move on then to the next one, which is up like page, which means that we are done. Done. Yeah. Okay.

972
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:43,880
Okay.

973
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,380
Plus, there's any other questions?

974
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,080
I just want to say Mr. Chair, if I can.

975
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:54,880
I really do appreciate that manpower hold back next to be a low election year, 2026 will

976
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:55,560
be a big one again.

977
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:00,880
And so yeah, I just really commend you for fitting within the FTEs.

978
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,080
It's very appreciated.

979
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:03,120
Thank you.

980
01:33:03,220 --> 01:33:04,300
I would echo that same comment.

981
01:33:04,540 --> 01:33:05,240
So appreciate that.

982
01:33:05,660 --> 01:33:06,120
Thank you.

983
01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:09,500
And thanks to Alina, who helps out with those kind of things.

984
01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:11,180
All right.

985
01:33:13,060 --> 01:33:13,560
All right.

986
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:21,600
Okay, we'll go on to our next one, which is the Treasurer, which is tab number, I don't know, back here.

987
01:33:24,140 --> 01:33:24,740
12th?

988
01:33:28,190 --> 01:33:30,210
Yes, it is 12th, tab 12th.

989
01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:31,530
Morning.

990
01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:32,330
Morning.

991
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:42,230
I have no significant changes on either fences or revenue.

992
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:50,310
On the Treasurer's budget, I'm hoping to have the same interest income.

993
01:33:50,970 --> 01:33:52,130
as I did this year.

994
01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:54,730
Even though the rates are lower.

995
01:33:56,630 --> 01:33:57,110
Correct.

996
01:33:57,570 --> 01:33:58,330
More money in.

997
01:33:59,770 --> 01:34:03,970
More money and the rates won't go down to later in the year.

998
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:08,350
So I'm hoping the average when we're cash heavy,

999
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:10,610
the first four, six months of the year,

1000
01:34:10,690 --> 01:34:14,370
we can make up for the lower rates the second half of the year.

1001
01:34:18,460 --> 01:34:19,720
Questions on this one?

1002
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:20,440
When

1003
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:38,900
I last thought bond advisors on the shenan,

1004
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,380
they were letting us know that while we

1005
01:34:44,380 --> 01:34:50,020
borrow that money, that money won't come to you as our treasurer, they want to put

1006
01:34:50,020 --> 01:34:52,160
that money with a trustee,

1007
01:34:54,590 --> 01:34:58,710
but that you will still have the ability to instruct that trustee

1008
01:34:58,710 --> 01:34:59,970
on how to invent...

1009
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,420
Yes, that money. Not the public trustee. Right, yeah. They mentioned a few, like, U.S. Bank or U.M.B., there are a number of entities but I haven't fully understood that but I don't think that will affect how much interest you'll be earning. I mean, I still think those funds will earn interest and so that I

1010
01:35:33,330 --> 01:35:35,550
haven't been able to tell you that. Do you have any concerns?

1011
01:35:35,550 --> 01:35:36,870
concerns over earning interest.

1012
01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:38,610
That's the case.

1013
01:35:39,290 --> 01:35:43,190
It'll still be part of my budget, correct?

1014
01:35:43,630 --> 01:35:45,350
We'll be attributed to that.

1015
01:35:45,930 --> 01:35:48,130
I just won't necessarily have complete control

1016
01:35:48,130 --> 01:35:50,980
of those funds.

1017
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:52,000
Is that what you're saying?

1018
01:35:52,420 --> 01:35:55,860
They're not going to be in your pooled cash.

1019
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:56,780
They're going to be

1020
01:35:58,890 --> 01:36:01,190
Rusty's bank account.

1021
01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:03,110
Well, that be a separate line

1022
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:04,850
or do we need to create a new line for that?

1023
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:08,860
I'm not sure.

1024
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:15,840
I think we should just keep it budgeted here left to figure out the accounting for it.

1025
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,920
I think it will all roll into the same.

1026
01:36:23,210 --> 01:36:30,430
UNB Bank is acquiring citywide or H-Chill-F-Banks is what our main bank is now.

1027
01:36:31,010 --> 01:36:31,410
Okay.

1028
01:36:33,650 --> 01:36:34,470
Good length.

1029
01:36:34,530 --> 01:36:36,630
The entity they have ours are trustee.

1030
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:37,730
Okay.

1031
01:36:39,450 --> 01:36:45,750
I guess we just dig into that and I guess it doesn't matter but if we need a separate

1032
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:47,470
line to help do track of it that might be.

1033
01:36:53,020 --> 01:36:53,880
I'm not sure.

1034
01:36:58,180 --> 01:37:00,380
Questions, commissioners on this one.

1035
01:37:01,540 --> 01:37:11,240
Do you think that the purpose of the trustee in the COP is that they have to be authorized

1036
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:19,460
to release the funds so that they have more control over the disbursement of those funds, is that your understanding?

1037
01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:28,160
I believe the purpose behind it is the collateral for that borrowing money.

1038
01:37:28,660 --> 01:37:35,360
The collateral for that loan, those bonds, is going to be the EMS building, which right now is not built.

1039
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:40,260
So it's really not $26 million in value there.

1040
01:37:41,480 --> 01:37:44,860
That's, they want to take that money and put it with a trustee.

1041
01:37:45,420 --> 01:37:50,160
If we were to default, still money available for

1042
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,460
those bondholders to finish building that building.

1043
01:37:55,020 --> 01:38:05,260
Right, okay, so kind of like the money is in there and that's the collateral until the building gets built and as money gets spent then the value of the property becomes higher.

1044
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:07,900
and there's more collateral for the actual physical property.

1045
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,720
You explained it much better than I do.

1046
01:38:09,940 --> 01:38:11,140
That's perfect, yes sir.

1047
01:38:11,420 --> 01:38:13,020
It's actually amazing that I understood it.

1048
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:14,340
Maybe.

1049
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:16,180
Okay.

1050
01:38:17,260 --> 01:38:17,980
Anything else?

1051
01:38:19,870 --> 01:38:21,350
Any questions for the tracer?

1052
01:38:22,090 --> 01:38:23,090
Public trustee.

1053
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:24,010
Public trustee.

1054
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:26,570
Before we leave there, any good, anything on staffing?

1055
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:27,210
You're good there.

1056
01:38:29,210 --> 01:38:33,170
Holy staffed, I've not had to hire, rehire.

1057
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,240
All right, sounds good.

1058
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:43,140
Let's go on into the next one, which is the public trustee.

1059
01:38:46,220 --> 01:39:01,680
Public trustee on the revenue has increased, and the way I came up with that number is just based on releases, which those fees doubled July 1st of 2024.

1060
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:09,740
I don't expect to have any more releases, but we should earn more money due to the fees being done.

1061
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:12,560
I mean, you don't expect any more volume of releases.

1062
01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:13,300
Correct.

1063
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:18,580
And no, I don't budget for closures as that's quite an unknown.

1064
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,980
Those fees also double July 1st.

1065
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:29,620
But then you attribute a partial FTE to this work?

1066
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:35,000
Yes, I have a statutory salary for that.

1067
01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:38,800
And then I attribute 25% of one employee as well.

1068
01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:46,040
Okay.

1069
01:39:47,460 --> 01:39:47,960
Simple.

1070
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:50,900
Any questions on this one?

1071
01:39:57,230 --> 01:39:58,950
Thank you for taking good care of our money.

1072
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:59,370
Yes.

1073
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:00,620
Appreciate that.

1074
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:14,360
Thank you for doing that. Okay, I think that's that's it for that. Thank you. Yeah, thanks.

1075
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:19,620
Oh, Curtis, who's next?

1076
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:35,800
And she's online. She's on Zoom. Okay, let's go away. Brianna, if you can hear us, we can go ahead and do your budget at this time. I might have the time.

1077
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,400
talk a little louder. We're going to make some adjustments here because we can barely hear you.

1078
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:45,320
Okay. Now we can. Now we can hear you perfectly. Is it better now?

1079
01:40:45,740 --> 01:40:55,600
Perfect. Yes. Okay. Fantastic. Um, so just go right into the budget. Um,

1080
01:40:55,780 --> 01:41:05,180
Breanna Osborne CSU extension director. Um, we have a couple of changes from last year.

1081
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:15,460
The main big first one is going to be in those personnel expenses, proposing to add

1082
01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:24,320
a half-time into extension, I believe the other half is going into the fairgrounds for

1083
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,580
a fair coordinator position.

1084
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:27,220
I

1085
01:41:32,020 --> 01:41:37,080
don't know if you all have talked to the fairgrounds budget yet or not.

1086
01:41:37,460 --> 01:41:38,680
Not yet, that's later today.

1087
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:39,680
Later today.

1088
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:39,780
Okay.

1089
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:40,140
Okay.

1090
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:47,160
I don't know how much you want me to speak on that potential position or what you'd like

1091
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:48,220
to see there, Micah?

1092
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:52,000
We can probably talk about it more in fairgrounds.

1093
01:41:52,020 --> 01:41:57,120
I think it's at this point, it's just letting them know that that proposed position is split

1094
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,600
between two budgets, yours and fairgrounds.

1095
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:00,840
Okay.

1096
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:07,660
Okay, Brianna, real quickly, what would be the halftime job responsibilities for the

1097
01:42:07,660 --> 01:42:09,060
part that's under extension?

1098
01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:19,040
It's quite extensive, but a lot of it is the preparation for fair that is being handled

1099
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:27,220
by the office currently, so that includes a lot of the online technologies out of it, but

1100
01:42:27,220 --> 01:42:29,280
as well as like securing judges.

1101
01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:37,540
And I can send over if we have a list of some of those

1102
01:42:37,540 --> 01:42:43,340
responsibilities, if you'd like. If it's handy, I just wanted to quick summary, I guess.

1103
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:50,940
I'm good. Yeah, it's it's mostly the things that our office is taking on right now. So

1104
01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:58,260
So, um, judges getting everything set up for fair some of the tag-in stuff, um,

1105
01:43:00,570 --> 01:43:01,170
okay.

1106
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:17,640
Um, other changes that you'll notice we did up, um, down in operating expense, um, there's

1107
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:19,440
some differences there.

1108
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:25,300
So it looks like it went down quite a bit, but that's just because there's not the roof

1109
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:29,940
the repair in that budget for 2025.

1110
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,860
So what did go up was advert and legal notice,

1111
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:43,340
went doubled from 250 to 500 just so that we can do some more outreach via papers.

1112
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:50,140
And that sort of deal repair maintenance, the building went from that 615, which included the

1113
01:43:50,140 --> 01:43:59,760
roof right there. Now down to 14, which includes the ceiling tiles for the extension hall,

1114
01:44:00,700 --> 01:44:06,600
potentially replacing some of the lights to the LED style, and potentially some AC units,

1115
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,280
whether that's standalone or in the roof will be decided.

1116
01:44:17,220 --> 01:44:19,480
Another change is the extension

1117
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:32,900
event reimbursement increased again this year, so it went from 15, 575 to 16, 350, which I believe

1118
01:44:32,900 --> 01:44:36,340
is lower down and

1119
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:53,550
then the capital, yeah, that one. And then capital outlays are other noticeable

1120
01:44:53,550 --> 01:44:59,790
different. We do now or are about to have the

1121
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:27,660
Local this year, which is really exciting. And then we have budgeted the 67 for a vehicle next year, but I have talked with ed about maybe grabbing one from. Motive rules, so we may or may not utilize that entire budget, just trying to think of the best way to. Begin shuffling those vehicles, excuse me, in a way that makes sense, in a way that makes sense financially for the county as well.

1122
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:29,360
Okay,

1123
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:42,200
we also have I think 2500 in there for computer replacement next year. We replaced you this year and we'll replace one next year.

1124
01:45:48,230 --> 01:45:50,370
Questions, comments, concerns?

1125
01:45:51,010 --> 01:45:52,850
I have a couple of questions.

1126
01:45:52,850 --> 01:46:03,370
Again, not a big amount of money, but the line for meetings and trainings, that's at 5,000,

1127
01:46:03,410 --> 01:46:09,470
but we're only spent 1,400 or so this year, is that a good number to leave in there?

1128
01:46:10,370 --> 01:46:18,900
And then the other one while I'm talking is 1 for telephone, budgeted 2000.

1129
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:24,380
Yes, so I'll address those in order.

1130
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:41,260
So the meetings and trainings one, I think is good to leave just to shoot towards that 2022 number, where we were utilizing it more and getting more employee training, which has not happened in 23 and 24.

1131
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,400
So I think it's worthwhile to leave that with that.

1132
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:53,440
and then the telephone one I believe a different department was covering some of

1133
01:46:53,440 --> 01:47:02,140
extensions bill on this essentially and so we had to restructuate and

1134
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,980
maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

1135
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,680
I'll respond in order also I'm

1136
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,320
completely good with the meetings and trainings and where I think we're always

1137
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:17,900
supportive of anybody taking, getting training or

1138
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:19,440
meetings or any of those kind of things.

1139
01:47:19,940 --> 01:47:22,960
I think that collaboration with other extension people or

1140
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,180
whatever across the state or the country is always useful.

1141
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:29,380
And I don't know the answer to the telephone one.

1142
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:30,980
So that's the data lines.

1143
01:47:31,220 --> 01:47:33,400
There are two different data lines at the fairgrounds and

1144
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,200
one has been covered by the coroner's office in years past.

1145
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:40,460
So we actually split that out because the signal comes into

1146
01:47:40,460 --> 01:47:43,320
the old Pepsi building and it gets shot over to the fairgrounds.

1147
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,800
So the corner has just covered that cost in the past but we are going to split that out this year

1148
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:55,460
You'll see that new it's getting split with rodent bridge and extension so that each department's kind of paying for their own usage

1149
01:47:56,580 --> 01:48:01,900
Big lead good. Thank you, Micah. Yep, so there's a public one that comes into the fairgrounds

1150
01:48:01,900 --> 01:48:07,920
Which extension has always paid for in the past and then there's this more internal network one that gets

1151
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:08,000
I think it's been a long time

1152
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:08,860
since I've seen this

1153
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:10,780
blaze over there from the

1154
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:11,400
corner's office.

1155
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:13,060
Please.

1156
01:48:15,980 --> 01:48:17,940
Help me to understand where we are

1157
01:48:17,940 --> 01:48:19,080
with the roof.

1158
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:21,260
I think I missed something there.

1159
01:48:22,140 --> 01:48:24,680
There was study this year about

1160
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:26,180
whether we're trying to contract

1161
01:48:26,180 --> 01:48:27,700
yesterday and that work is to

1162
01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:29,320
begin I think late this week.

1163
01:48:29,860 --> 01:48:31,340
We believe that will show up

1164
01:48:31,340 --> 01:48:32,720
in actual for 24.

1165
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:34,080
Yes. All right.

1166
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:42,800
Back up with that there was a study maybe you heard all this but there was a study to make sure that adding the additional weight of a new rough.

1167
01:48:43,740 --> 01:48:49,320
It could be adequate so that was there was an additional cost there other than just putting on a rope right.

1168
01:48:50,460 --> 01:48:57,800
And Brianna just so you know your 2024 vehicle is here. The paperwork landed on my desk yesterday afternoon.

1169
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:00,600
fantastic news.

1170
01:49:02,860 --> 01:49:03,660
That's awesome.

1171
01:49:06,340 --> 01:49:08,860
Any other questions on this ESU Extension Budget?

1172
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:15,090
Thank you, Brianna.

1173
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:17,090
Yep, I think we're good, so thank you, Brianna.

1174
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:19,110
Awesome, thank you so much.

1175
01:49:20,570 --> 01:49:22,330
Okay, next up,

1176
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:27,120
I don't know.

1177
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:31,050
Opposite.

1178
01:49:32,290 --> 01:49:35,070
Yep, Lanna is here. All right, Lanna.

1179
01:49:35,490 --> 01:49:35,910
OEM.

1180
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:40,180
Good morning, everyone.

1181
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:46,720
I'm Alana Lang, I'll be speaking for Alexis Kimbro, I'm the deputy director of the Office

1182
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,240
of Emergency Management at Grand County.

1183
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:56,420
So looking forward, it does not seem that there's going to be any significant changes in

1184
01:49:56,420 --> 01:49:56,820
our budget.

1185
01:49:56,820 --> 01:49:59,280
but we're really just working with that.

1186
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,460
Okay, of the match for the hazard mitigation planning that was taken on in 2020 still paying towards that. We have the 10,000 for right away projects that we're trying to hang on to not only for those right away projects to be able to be applicable for future grants with that 10K. And then we're also going to do another 2500 for the Genesis transition marketing and general information blurb.

1187
01:50:29,460 --> 01:50:48,180
I was going pretty good. We're set very solidly for it to occur in November. We've got a couple. We're working with our public health office right now to get access and functional needs registration figured out before we start throwing them into the system.

1188
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:52,740
We're going to start doing some more heavy testing with IT here in the next week or two.

1189
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:58,640
We're just trying to get those last kinks worked out to make sure that what we're putting in the public is going to stick.

1190
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,020
And we don't have to keep flip-flopping in.

1191
01:51:02,060 --> 01:51:02,260
Okay.

1192
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,880
Well, there's a huge increase in professional services.

1193
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:16,080
Well, this year to 725 put it in for next year, 72500 Hannah.

1194
01:51:16,580 --> 01:51:17,820
Correct me if I'm wrong Ed.

1195
01:51:17,820 --> 01:51:22,180
but I do believe that that's going towards our on-call payments that we're changing.

1196
01:51:22,820 --> 01:51:34,180
I show that as being $30,000 for hazard mitigation, $2,500 for the notification, for the genesis transition, and then $10,000 for the right-of-way hazard mitigation.

1197
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,800
That's what's in the professional services line, right?

1198
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:44,310
Bring me up to speed on the head, the two the hazardous mitigation.

1199
01:51:46,030 --> 01:51:52,110
So the hazard mitigation plan revision, we're writing a grant for.

1200
01:51:52,590 --> 01:51:59,270
So that's being budgeted at 60K and we anticipate a grant of 30K for that.

1201
01:51:59,430 --> 01:52:04,610
So 30K revenue up top 60K going out in expense in the bottom.

1202
01:52:04,610 --> 01:52:15,910
So, 10K is still in there for right away, clearing, I missed a call from Chief White this morning.

1203
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:27,270
We're looking at that, those monies were previously earmarked for, who's the group that

1204
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:36,790
that was coming in year after year, some of those dollars went to Grand Fire with their

1205
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:43,810
crews in performing that work. I do know Grand Fire and the Wildlife Fire Council also applied

1206
01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:54,690
to O-R-T for some of that work, but we were keeping a placeholder in here for now if unsuccessful

1207
01:52:55,250 --> 01:52:56,730
in that grant application.

1208
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:59,150
And so we'll know more here in the next 30 days.

1209
01:52:59,990 --> 01:53:05,790
But the request from at least Alexis and Chief White,

1210
01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:09,810
I believe, was to keep that 10K in there for grant match

1211
01:53:09,810 --> 01:53:13,610
for a larger, maybe a state or a federal grant

1212
01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:14,830
if we could pull that down.

1213
01:53:16,230 --> 01:53:19,950
So my initial reaction was applied to OLRT for that

1214
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:23,470
because of the expanded use that makes a lot of sense.

1215
01:53:23,470 --> 01:53:33,830
So, we'll be able to reconcile here pretty quick, because LRT is going to be making those recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners here I believe this month.

1216
01:53:34,650 --> 01:53:41,070
So two questions. One, I think Mike had mentioned three different things that was under that 72k. What was the third one?

1217
01:53:41,530 --> 01:53:43,510
Hazard mitigation, why are we clearing? What was the third one?

1218
01:53:44,010 --> 01:53:53,310
That $2,500 for the notification of the Genesis transition, and I misspoke because I said $30,000 for hazard mitigation, but it's a $60,000 match.

1219
01:53:53,310 --> 01:54:00,990
It's and that's I've missed I should have clarified that it's at 50 50 match that they'll all right. We had to put the full expense of the grant coming out there

1220
01:54:02,370 --> 01:54:04,650
So just a little bit into the weeds detail

1221
01:54:05,410 --> 01:54:08,670
What actually when you do the right-of-way clear what it what is actually

1222
01:54:09,450 --> 01:54:16,190
Happening on the scene. What's what are we what are we doing these are projects the grand fire and the wild fire council?

1223
01:54:17,130 --> 01:54:20,630
That we've been contracting with I mean

1224
01:54:20,630 --> 01:54:25,230
And we have the president of Grand Fire Protection District before us here as well.

1225
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:33,130
But those crews with Grand Fire and I believe, Grand Lake also has crews.

1226
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:39,810
And so we're able to go into our county right-o-ways and clear-

1227
01:54:39,810 --> 01:54:40,470
On county roads?

1228
01:54:40,730 --> 01:54:40,910
Yes.

1229
01:54:41,650 --> 01:54:49,170
And clear, reduce fuels in our county right-o-ways.

1230
01:54:52,030 --> 01:54:55,490
That's good because I've actually observed this happening on Kenner with 55.

1231
01:54:56,290 --> 01:54:59,600
I want to make sure that that's what was behind that.

1232
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:08,340
This started right after East troublesome and the amount of, you know, unburned standing,

1233
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:14,340
you know, hazard trees, et cetera, that were in the right of ways that we did in concert

1234
01:55:14,340 --> 01:55:21,580
with Team Rubicon as well as both fire protection districts. So, a lot of it's been paid

1235
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:28,560
forward grant money, some county money that has also leveraged other state and federal

1236
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:33,280
grant money. So yeah that helps us head all together because I knew the

1237
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,400
wildfire council was behind some of this money but it was also going through

1238
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:41,540
you guys to do these projects. And I think there's there's some discussion of

1239
01:55:41,540 --> 01:55:47,400
you know what type of equipment would be more efficient in the future and I think

1240
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:52,980
you may have seen that big piece of machinery or an attachment to a to an

1241
01:55:52,980 --> 01:55:58,280
excavator that I saw a lot of guys out there with hand saws taken down trees and

1242
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:03,480
I felt like a buncher. I felt like a buncher in those big mulchers, but that wasn't what I saw on 55.

1243
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:04,160
Right.

1244
01:56:04,860 --> 01:56:06,660
Those things would be actually quite useful.

1245
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:11,700
Like on the county road back to the YMCA.

1246
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:12,080
Yeah.

1247
01:56:12,140 --> 01:56:13,480
Those kind of bridge doesn't

1248
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:19,560
would like those trees in the county right away for like a snow fence.

1249
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:25,060
But they are, there's a bunch of them and maybe we can have a Christmas tree sale

1250
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:27,800
in that particular right away.

1251
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:34,160
Okay, well, thinking about what has just recently happened in the southeast part of this

1252
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:42,120
country, that emergency management, on the top of mind is we better be prepared because

1253
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:51,540
not if, but when some catastrophic natural event could cause a real problems, so thank you

1254
01:56:51,540 --> 01:56:52,100
for your work.

1255
01:56:52,460 --> 01:56:53,400
We're very happy to do it.

1256
01:56:53,540 --> 01:56:55,380
It's awesome to be able to prepare for.

1257
01:56:57,450 --> 01:56:59,370
The other questions for a long time?

1258
01:56:59,450 --> 01:57:05,810
Just how's the new, what's their center called, their emergency?

1259
01:57:06,730 --> 01:57:07,770
Emergency operations.

1260
01:57:08,730 --> 01:57:09,790
All the acronyms.

1261
01:57:10,430 --> 01:57:10,450
Yes.

1262
01:57:11,110 --> 01:57:15,310
The EOC, since the wall has gone up, it's nice and cleaned out.

1263
01:57:15,390 --> 01:57:17,730
We've been able to function out of it for the past couple of months.

1264
01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,490
There's good security to the areas that we need access, the secured access to.

1265
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:24,250
It's come together very nicely.

1266
01:57:24,250 --> 01:57:27,910
We're looking to replace the furniture here in the next year though.

1267
01:57:29,330 --> 01:57:30,490
Certain rescue is happy.

1268
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:32,390
Yeah, certain rescue is happy there.

1269
01:57:32,590 --> 01:57:36,070
They have a little bit of diminished practicing space for some of their larger trainings.

1270
01:57:36,090 --> 01:57:38,790
But they have a lot of places they can play around the county as well.

1271
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:41,250
We've been working with them to make sure that everybody stays happy.

1272
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:42,030
Good.

1273
01:57:43,550 --> 01:57:44,850
All right. Any other questions?

1274
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:49,610
Very none. I think you're good to go.

1275
01:57:49,850 --> 01:57:50,430
Thank you a lot.

1276
01:57:50,530 --> 01:57:51,070
Thank you. Yeah.

1277
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:51,910
Appreciate what you do.

1278
01:57:55,540 --> 01:57:56,460
Okay. Next up,

1279
01:57:59,250 --> 01:57:59,690
HR.

1280
01:58:01,710 --> 01:58:03,590
Basically, a totally negative budget.

1281
01:58:04,610 --> 01:58:05,750
Yeah, there's no green on this one.

1282
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:06,290
Morning, Commissioner.

1283
01:58:06,590 --> 01:58:07,110
Where's your revenue?

1284
01:58:07,630 --> 01:58:08,290
Where's the revenue?

1285
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:09,750
It's lacking in HR.

1286
01:58:10,630 --> 01:58:11,630
The not going to lie.

1287
01:58:13,210 --> 01:58:14,110
It's very slim.

1288
01:58:18,050 --> 01:58:20,970
So, do you want me to go over everything?

1289
01:58:21,110 --> 01:58:21,930
There's not a lot of-

1290
01:58:21,930 --> 01:58:22,810
I think-

1291
01:58:22,810 --> 01:58:25,910
If you just want to go through any big changes or highlights of anything, I don't think you

1292
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:27,030
have to go over everything alone.

1293
01:58:27,030 --> 01:58:27,250
Okay.

1294
01:58:27,710 --> 01:58:40,370
So you'll see in the professional services line item a difference of 60,000 essentially and that was put in place there to be a place holder for a potential salary survey update in 2025.

1295
01:58:41,190 --> 01:58:45,370
So I'm not sure if that will be done or not, but that's in there if that goes forward.

1296
01:58:46,230 --> 01:58:51,630
and then in the professional fees technical line item there's an increase there as

1297
01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:56,370
well and that's to cover the mineral training catalogs that we anticipate

1298
01:58:56,370 --> 01:59:01,770
purchasing in 2025 along with convene which is an additional training resource

1299
01:59:01,770 --> 01:59:04,030
that we're going to utilize starting in 2025.

1300
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:09,630
How do they call it mineral training? I get that kind of confused with a mineral withdrawal at times

1301
01:59:09,630 --> 01:59:14,790
when I see that email pop up. It's just it's tied to hub the mineral training platform

1302
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:18,030
I don't know the reasoning for the the naming of it, but it's

1303
01:59:19,490 --> 01:59:24,450
The software itself is free, but if we want to purchase additional catalogs outside of the base courses

1304
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:26,870
Then that's when you have to pay for those individually

1305
01:59:29,250 --> 01:59:34,870
As how's the participation been so far on but there was just one and there's a couple more that are

1306
01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:37,190
Available now, right? It's been great

1307
01:59:37,770 --> 01:59:44,290
It was initially rolled out to the department heads in August and then again in September and then it has was rolled out

1308
01:59:44,290 --> 01:59:48,370
like last week to all the employees and so all the employees are now getting a

1309
01:59:48,370 --> 01:59:53,190
chance to take their first training and we've had a lot of success without a lot of

1310
01:59:53,190 --> 01:59:57,570
people have already completed it so I think it's going well. Is there training

1311
01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,510
then the same as the one the department had.

1312
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:27,260
The digital accessibility training was rolled out to those who create digital content, which was specific to their job descriptions or more or less. Right, it included most employees, but not all. And then I think it was the workplace bullying and harassment that went out to everyone, the managers and the employees. So, you'll see them keep coming forward and hopefully this program will evolve as we move forward.

1313
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,360
But there's two more do at the end of this month.

1314
02:00:38,460 --> 02:00:38,900
Right.

1315
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:45,280
The last night at the last minute to get to workplace bullying and harassment.

1316
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,440
Well, it'll send your reminders if you haven't done them.

1317
02:00:54,700 --> 02:00:55,580
So and we can always check.

1318
02:00:56,380 --> 02:01:00,400
We're just getting it going and I think it's been been good so far.

1319
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:01,260
Okay.

1320
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:05,060
You can hand the questions for HR.

1321
02:01:07,610 --> 02:01:09,270
We're going to get that revenue up a little bit.

1322
02:01:09,790 --> 02:01:09,930
Okay.

1323
02:01:11,170 --> 02:01:12,150
What we can do there.

1324
02:01:13,250 --> 02:01:13,770
All right.

1325
02:01:14,930 --> 02:01:15,510
Thank you.

1326
02:01:15,630 --> 02:01:15,990
Thank you.

1327
02:01:16,810 --> 02:01:20,230
Glad again that you were fully staffed and that things are going well.

1328
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:20,590
Yes.

1329
02:01:21,030 --> 02:01:21,490
It's very nice.

1330
02:01:21,910 --> 02:01:22,050
Yes.

1331
02:01:22,470 --> 02:01:24,030
It is awesome.

1332
02:01:24,030 --> 02:01:24,550
I agree.

1333
02:01:25,050 --> 02:01:25,670
Thank you.

1334
02:01:25,930 --> 02:01:26,930
It wasn't so awesome.

1335
02:01:27,110 --> 02:01:27,570
Two years ago.

1336
02:01:27,850 --> 02:01:28,530
A little rough.

1337
02:01:28,610 --> 02:01:28,990
Just one.

1338
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:31,670
Okay, next up.

1339
02:01:33,070 --> 02:01:36,050
Well, on the schedule is our surveyor.

1340
02:01:36,670 --> 02:01:38,610
I've not heard from him yet.

1341
02:01:40,700 --> 02:01:42,360
Break, because we can't, let's see.

1342
02:01:44,610 --> 02:01:45,410
I think he's a break.

1343
02:01:46,590 --> 02:01:50,930
And we can schedule, the surveyor's scheduled for 11.

1344
02:01:52,630 --> 02:01:53,150
Yes.

1345
02:01:53,790 --> 02:01:53,950
Yeah.

1346
02:01:54,290 --> 02:01:58,830
We might as well take a break, at least until 145.

1347
02:02:05,300 --> 02:02:10,600
So let's go ahead and break then until 1045, and if the surveyor can come early, great

1348
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:14,800
if Abby can come early, that's fine too, but either way, we don't have anybody lined

1349
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:15,780
up right now.

1350
02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:20,020
So we'll break until 1045, start up then, or not.

1351
02:16:34,450 --> 02:16:38,730
Okay, microphone's back on. It's in 45 and we're going to, we're

1352
02:16:41,260 --> 02:16:53,980
going to start with the sheriff. So the finance director, yeah, we're going to bust the finance director because we did say 10 to 45. But our sheriff is here. Thank you for coming over Brett. So if you want to do, this is what we talked about earlier, our agenda change for our fire restrictions update.

1353
02:16:56,100 --> 02:17:07,860
Thank you, commissioners and everybody, Brett trolling County sheriff. Just want to talk about fire restrictions a little bit is we're all aware. It's October. It's still dry. We don't anticipate any participants.

1354
02:17:07,860 --> 02:17:11,400
for precipitation, coming for the next 10 or 12 days at least.

1355
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:16,880
A lot of people in our back country with hunting and seasons and stuff, so we're taking this under consideration.

1356
02:17:17,140 --> 02:17:19,520
But conditions are dry, lack of moisture.

1357
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:26,040
We still remain at four on our fire matrix, which we've always used as a decision factor.

1358
02:17:26,580 --> 02:17:30,560
And so I'd recommend that the Board of County Commissioners extend stage one fire restrictions

1359
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:34,060
that are set to expire on October 5th for at least two weeks.

1360
02:17:35,020 --> 02:17:41,040
I would 100% agree with that, it's in my observation, it's incredibly dry, crunchy dry.

1361
02:17:41,900 --> 02:17:47,380
And it feels very deja vu as to what happened in 2020 this time of year with we had some pretty

1362
02:17:47,380 --> 02:17:49,160
good winds last night yesterday,

1363
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:55,180
so I support asking for two weeks and we'll check out

1364
02:17:55,180 --> 02:17:58,560
then and hopefully our federal partners are in line with this, but maybe you can give

1365
02:17:58,560 --> 02:17:59,520
us an update on that too.

1366
02:17:59,780 --> 02:18:03,840
Sure, so just the latest and greatest from the Forest Service just an hour or so ago was

1367
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:07,860
because they are staying in stage one restrictions for the sulfur ranger district.

1368
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:12,740
We have heard that the BLM is going to remove their stage one restrictions.

1369
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:16,080
I'm trying to understand that a little better today.

1370
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,140
So we'll talk to them a little further, but at least the Forest Service is going to be staying in stage one restrictions.

1371
02:18:21,700 --> 02:18:25,380
As a sheriff, I think it's critical that we stay in stage one restrictions as a county.

1372
02:18:28,020 --> 02:18:31,300
I think it's a best spot for us at the county right now.

1373
02:18:31,300 --> 02:18:37,940
Even though people are excited that we get out of fire restrictions, we need to weigh that risk and as elected leaders

1374
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:41,180
I think that's what we need to do is make the best choice for the county as a whole.

1375
02:18:42,180 --> 02:18:47,220
100% agree it's I'm fact I had one citizen yesterday said we should go to stage two.

1376
02:18:47,680 --> 02:18:52,160
I don't think we're there yet. I don't think their matrix supports that but we definitely agree to stay in stage one.

1377
02:18:52,420 --> 02:18:55,920
And we are watching that very closely Paul's continuing to have those discussions.

1378
02:18:56,380 --> 02:18:59,180
A couple people have asked me about stage two restrictions as well.

1379
02:18:59,180 --> 02:19:06,680
Our science is showing right there at stage one, so we'll follow the science and stay where we're at, but we'll closely monitor that.

1380
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:13,000
If something changes, we'll come back and present it. We do actually have very close conditions to red flag conditions today.

1381
02:19:14,020 --> 02:19:20,620
There's actually a couple of alerts this morning that some neighboring areas are having red flag conditions today from like 12 to 9 o'clock.

1382
02:19:21,260 --> 02:19:23,180
And so we're not far off of that as well.

1383
02:19:23,180 --> 02:19:25,440
Well, plenty of fuel out there.

1384
02:19:25,700 --> 02:19:26,020
Absolutely.

1385
02:19:27,060 --> 02:19:28,740
So I think does that require a vote?

1386
02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:35,160
I think it does, so I think a motion then to amend probably our restrictions and not

1387
02:19:35,160 --> 02:19:36,840
sure what that is, our attorney's.

1388
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:43,040
So I think we need to ask Max to create the paperwork for you guys from the attorney's office

1389
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,040
and I think it was extended for two weeks.

1390
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:49,400
Okay, so I think that would be the motion then to extend our fire restrictions for stage

1391
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:50,480
one for two more weeks.

1392
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:56,620
The Civic date would be October 19th at 11.59pm when that'll expire.

1393
02:19:57,460 --> 02:19:59,220
Sounds good. Sounds like that's the motion.

1394
02:20:00,460 --> 02:20:13,200
Any you would entertain that motion? To make that motion? I move that we extend the stage one fire restrictions until October 19th at 12. 11.59 p.m.

1395
02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:21,020
11.59 p.m., upon the recommendation of our, I guess,

1396
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:30,140
discussion. Hopefully, you could convince the BLM to stick with us for two more weeks.

1397
02:20:30,140 --> 02:20:32,980
I plan on making a call to him right after this.

1398
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:39,700
But regardless of what the BLM does, it's fire restrictions for the whole county, right?

1399
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:41,240
Correct, Commissioner, yes.

1400
02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:46,140
So when you enact fire restrictions, it applies for all unincorporated Grand County.

1401
02:20:46,780 --> 02:20:50,500
And so we basically have that concurrent jurisdiction with BLM.

1402
02:20:50,780 --> 02:20:55,980
So if we have county fire restrictions and they don't, our county fire restrictions still apply for

1403
02:20:55,980 --> 02:20:57,200
those areas of the county as well.

1404
02:20:58,740 --> 02:21:00,620
We continue to have signage up.

1405
02:21:01,620 --> 02:21:07,320
Yes, we have signage up at all entrances to the county and then there's at least probably

1406
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:10,980
2 or 3 or 4 variable message sign boards that are put out as well.

1407
02:21:12,740 --> 02:21:14,860
Sounds good and yes, that was a good point to bring up.

1408
02:21:14,860 --> 02:21:15,740
It is for the county.

1409
02:21:15,900 --> 02:21:18,020
It's just nice to have them on board when we do these things.

1410
02:21:18,220 --> 02:21:22,620
It really helps with our messaging and enforcement when everybody's on board and so we'll work

1411
02:21:22,620 --> 02:21:23,400
with them this afternoon.

1412
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:40,860
I just was going to say one more thing again as I said earlier it's incredibly dry there's going to be a lot of people in the woods as you said there's not any precipitation scheduled for the next couple weeks so it's going to continue to be dry.

1413
02:21:41,500 --> 02:21:46,040
Conditions are very similar to what we experienced in 2020. We need to do it

1414
02:21:51,730 --> 02:21:53,890
without all being said any other discussion.

1415
02:21:53,890 --> 02:21:56,740
All in favor?

1416
02:21:57,160 --> 02:21:57,840
All right.

1417
02:21:58,600 --> 02:21:58,720
All right.

1418
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:00,780
Thank you, Brett.

1419
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:03,400
And Max will prepare that paperwork and we'll be good to go.

1420
02:22:03,620 --> 02:22:03,920
Thank you.

1421
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:05,300
Thank you for coming over here.

1422
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:06,040
I'm sure I know the same.

1423
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:06,300
Thank you.

1424
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:12,410
So, do we have...

1425
02:22:12,410 --> 02:22:13,090
See you tomorrow.

1426
02:22:13,330 --> 02:22:13,890
Yeah, see you.

1427
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:14,470
Thank you.

1428
02:22:14,590 --> 02:22:14,710
Yeah.

1429
02:22:15,290 --> 02:22:16,570
We should be here in like...

1430
02:22:16,570 --> 02:22:19,750
Abby's going to be here in like two minutes, three minutes.

1431
02:22:20,310 --> 02:22:21,250
Should we...

1432
02:22:21,250 --> 02:22:21,670
Eight minutes?

1433
02:22:23,880 --> 02:22:25,260
I guess microphones off until...

1434
02:22:27,020 --> 02:22:27,700
Till 11?

1435
02:22:28,620 --> 02:22:29,020
Okay.

1436
02:22:29,020 --> 02:22:31,080
We'll start back up at 11 microphone's off

1437
02:29:54,420 --> 02:29:58,020
Mic phones on, we're going to start up with public health. Abby Baker.

1438
02:29:58,020 --> 02:29:59,040
Thank you very much.

1439
02:30:01,230 --> 02:30:07,850
Good morning commissioners. Thank you for your time this morning. It looks like we'll be starting with the public health budget.

1440
02:30:10,120 --> 02:30:11,240
All right.

1441
02:30:14,220 --> 02:30:21,460
So, some of the highlights that I wanted to point out is that we still have.

1442
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:32,340
We're continuing to see the expiration of extended COVID grant dollars. We only have two remaining grants.

1443
02:30:32,340 --> 02:30:44,120
from the COVID funding that have been extended through June 30th of 2025, and that amount is $76,215.

1444
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:48,200
Let's see.

1445
02:30:51,610 --> 02:31:03,070
So yeah, if you look at some of those revenues, the CDC workforce, that one was of COVID fund, and that one has expired this year.

1446
02:31:04,650 --> 02:31:21,510
We also look at the IMM-R3 and IMM-R4, those are the two remaining COVID grant dollars that we have available to us through June 30th of 2025.

1447
02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:26,550
Also, if you could scroll up just a little bit.

1448
02:31:26,730 --> 02:31:27,950
What does that stand for, though?

1449
02:31:27,950 --> 02:31:32,070
I am immunization round three and immunization round four.

1450
02:31:32,310 --> 02:31:35,350
I thought it was some super tricky acronym.

1451
02:31:35,850 --> 02:31:36,610
Nope, not really.

1452
02:31:38,110 --> 02:31:45,530
Also, of note, our radon grant, so that's providing short-term and long-term radon test

1453
02:31:45,530 --> 02:31:49,310
kits for our indoor air quality program.

1454
02:31:49,930 --> 02:31:55,770
That funding amount is actually going up to $10,000 this year, so of an increase of about

1455
02:31:55,770 --> 02:31:56,690
about $5,000.

1456
02:32:00,650 --> 02:32:02,530
Consumer protections help significantly.

1457
02:32:03,450 --> 02:32:03,830
Correct.

1458
02:32:06,610 --> 02:32:16,310
So that line item for revenue is the amount that we received from CDPHE to help support

1459
02:32:16,310 --> 02:32:22,010
our environmental health program, our consumer protection program, and that includes our

1460
02:32:22,010 --> 02:32:23,310
coverage of Jackson County.

1461
02:32:23,310 --> 02:32:36,810
So they've increased our amount from $25,000 to $53,000 to support that program starting this year, so that's an increase of $28,000.

1462
02:32:38,010 --> 02:32:40,810
Also, our

1463
02:32:44,650 --> 02:32:50,050
state tobacco grant funding has also increased.

1464
02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:53,950
We've been traditionally right around $50,000 a year.

1465
02:32:53,950 --> 02:33:03,030
I think we got it back last year or the year before, and they've got a significant additional

1466
02:33:03,030 --> 02:33:09,050
amount of funding that they're awarding to local public health, so we'll be receiving

1467
02:33:09,050 --> 02:33:13,170
an additional $30,000 for that grant program.

1468
02:33:14,530 --> 02:33:15,970
Also of note,

1469
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:31,430
it should be, I think it's PHN, so that PHN is the funding from CDPHE

1470
02:33:31,430 --> 02:33:38,150
or our core public health services. That amount has increased by $69,395.

1471
02:33:39,350 --> 02:33:45,370
And I think I've mentioned in previous when we were signing this contract back

1472
02:33:45,370 --> 02:33:51,370
back in April or May, that that has been added to the state budget.

1473
02:33:51,610 --> 02:33:55,990
So it's not an additional ask, it was added to the state budget.

1474
02:33:55,990 --> 02:34:04,090
It is anticipated to continue for the foreseeable future for

1475
02:34:04,430 --> 02:34:06,690
public health and infrastructure and services.

1476
02:34:10,070 --> 02:34:17,400
That's about the end of the income highlights.

1477
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:28,480
For public health, some of our expenditures that I wanted to go over with you are

1478
02:34:36,570 --> 02:34:37,090
professional

1479
02:34:37,090 --> 02:34:50,410
services, so that increase there is inclusive of our phone system, so intermedia, and our

1480
02:34:50,410 --> 02:34:59,970
or Patagonia Health Record System, the electronic health record system, so that's a monthly subscription that we...

1481
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:08,220
Okay. To have access to that. So that's included in that line item with the professional services.

1482
02:35:17,810 --> 02:35:22,350
I know it's a lot of lines. It is a lot of lines.

1483
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:35,470
There's a pretty good number in revenue for the American rescue plan. That should be expired and expired in June of this year.

1484
02:35:35,470 --> 02:35:37,650
That 57,000 shouldn't be there.

1485
02:35:39,310 --> 02:35:42,590
Not be there for 2025, is it in there?

1486
02:35:44,610 --> 02:35:45,290
That's-

1487
02:35:45,290 --> 02:35:47,770
By looking at CDC infrastructure, sorry.

1488
02:35:47,930 --> 02:35:56,610
Oh, yep, so CDC infrastructure, that's the five-year grant that we've received from the state to help

1489
02:35:58,210 --> 02:36:08,050
maintain and support public health infrastructure, have those funds through 30th of 2027.

1490
02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:19,790
It's a payment every quarter of a specified amount up to $25,000 over five years.

1491
02:36:19,790 --> 02:36:28,070
So, what I have in for 2025 is our expected revenue for 2025.

1492
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:30,730
Right, right, okay, sorry, I misread the line there.

1493
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:31,430
No problem.

1494
02:36:32,770 --> 02:36:39,860
All right, I presume that that's for specific kinds of things or?

1495
02:36:40,180 --> 02:36:50,840
It's pretty broad and it's reached what I've submitted a budget for is to help support professional development

1496
02:36:50,840 --> 02:37:01,520
opportunities for our staff, upgrading some of our office equipment, monitors, computers,

1497
02:37:01,740 --> 02:37:07,040
that sort of thing to help offset some of those costs in addition to supporting some of our

1498
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:08,280
personnel.

1499
02:37:11,870 --> 02:37:14,550
I do vaccines

1500
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:20,780
and medications line item under supplies.

1501
02:37:23,480 --> 02:37:25,260
We did increase that amount

1502
02:37:25,260 --> 02:37:37,680
from 10,000 to 15,000 and that's in anticipation of ordering additional vaccines with the expectation

1503
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:45,020
that will be able to provide some private vaccines. So private vaccines are allocated for those

1504
02:37:45,020 --> 02:37:52,820
that have an insurance provider of some sort outside of Medicaid so that we can bill for those

1505
02:37:52,820 --> 02:38:00,000
immunizations that we administer and then we're also a little more inclusive, so anyone who walks

1506
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:04,640
in our door who wants to receive an immunization from public health. If we have that in stock,

1507
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:10,200
we're able to provide that and then request reimbursement from their insurance providers,

1508
02:38:12,680 --> 02:38:13,440
actively working

1509
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:15,240
on but anticipating to have in place.

1510
02:38:19,420 --> 02:38:19,500
Okay?

1511
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:25,080
Oh, sorry, under professional services, I didn't go

1512
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:27,040
in order very well. I apologize.

1513
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:32,360
There's an additional $10,000 in

1514
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:36,300
professional services, I believe. Correct?

1515
02:38:45,090 --> 02:38:46,430
75, 12.

1516
02:38:51,520 --> 02:38:54,400
Specials tech services, possibly.

1517
02:38:55,420 --> 02:38:58,220
So 75, 12 on here, is that what you're looking at?

1518
02:38:58,580 --> 02:39:06,120
Right, there's an additional one. It's the line item where we put the outdoor

1519
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:08,300
for air quality monitoring contract?

1520
02:39:09,820 --> 02:39:15,540
Yes, yes, professional services tech,

1521
02:39:17,620 --> 02:39:18,580
oh up there.

1522
02:39:43,290 --> 02:39:54,890
We added $10,000 to add the cost of the air quality monitoring contract that we have

1523
02:39:54,890 --> 02:39:56,810
for the air sampling, the canister.

1524
02:40:01,300 --> 02:40:29,360
If it increased to 10, then it just didn't make it on there maybe because my note says $6,500 for air quality monitoring under professional services along with background checks. Okay. We need to increase that line. I think the contract that we have is for 10,000. That all going to get paid out of 25 or is it split between two years? That's probably where the 65,000. So thank you for that.

1525
02:40:29,960 --> 02:40:31,580
So what do we need to change something?

1526
02:40:31,960 --> 02:40:34,280
No, no, I don't think so.

1527
02:40:34,880 --> 02:40:45,060
So my explanation there, so professional services did increase by 65,000 to account for

1528
02:40:45,060 --> 02:40:46,060
the cost of the outdoor.

1529
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:47,480
65,000.

1530
02:40:47,860 --> 02:40:48,660
65,000.

1531
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:49,020
Okay.

1532
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:49,260
Sorry.

1533
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:51,920
That's when it makes it around the right zero.

1534
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:53,600
My brain got ahead of my mouth.

1535
02:40:53,920 --> 02:40:54,040
Okay.

1536
02:40:54,380 --> 02:40:55,700
So the 75, 12 was good.

1537
02:40:56,220 --> 02:40:56,400
Right.

1538
02:40:56,840 --> 02:40:57,040
Okay.

1539
02:40:57,260 --> 02:40:57,400
Yes.

1540
02:40:57,400 --> 02:41:04,240
So, that's where that increase is accounted for is the air quality monitoring contract that

1541
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:04,620
we have.

1542
02:41:04,980 --> 02:41:05,100
Okay.

1543
02:41:05,620 --> 02:41:05,940
Okay.

1544
02:41:13,670 --> 02:41:14,530
Bio-terrorism.

1545
02:41:14,650 --> 02:41:15,310
What are we doing there?

1546
02:41:15,730 --> 02:41:17,850
That's the emergency preparedness and response,

1547
02:41:21,160 --> 02:41:25,160
called bioterrorism, probably.

1548
02:41:26,110 --> 02:41:37,020
Now it's called public health emergency preparedness, that includes our epidemiological surveillance

1549
02:41:37,020 --> 02:41:38,460
and communicable disease surveillance.

1550
02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:50,400
Other thing of note, go ahead, Curtis.

1551
02:41:52,740 --> 02:41:58,640
Yep, so the amount that we have allocated to WIC as an expense has decreased.

1552
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:03,940
We can't leave.

1553
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:05,720
Thanks for the part two.

1554
02:42:05,820 --> 02:42:06,140
And Max.

1555
02:42:07,020 --> 02:42:20,080
Yeah, so we did put in as a partnership with Summit County and Colorado WIC is providing additional funds to Summit County to support that partnership.

1556
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:28,340
So it takes a lot of the burden off of us for supporting that with the WIC director from summit being available to Grand County.

1557
02:42:32,120 --> 02:42:34,300
Happy, do you foresee us,

1558
02:42:36,660 --> 02:42:40,980
you're staying with that sort of model and not going back to, okay?

1559
02:42:41,560 --> 02:42:50,840
Yeah, what Colorado WIC is really moving toward is some regionalization of the WIC services so that we can share some of the burden.

1560
02:42:50,840 --> 02:42:56,680
And it's a, there are specific requirements like a registered dietitian or

1561
02:42:56,680 --> 02:43:01,660
WIC director that can provide some of that support for higher need,

1562
02:43:03,180 --> 02:43:08,020
WIC clients, in addition to having a WIC educator on staff.

1563
02:43:08,340 --> 02:43:13,280
So we have a WIC educator on staff, but we partner with Summit County to provide that registered

1564
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:15,040
dietitian and director support.

1565
02:43:15,980 --> 02:43:20,180
So with the state recognizing that partnership, there's additional funds to

1566
02:43:20,180 --> 02:43:24,140
some at county and takes a lot of the burden off of Grand County to support that partnership.

1567
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:25,840
Yeah.

1568
02:43:28,360 --> 02:43:37,920
The only other bigger thing of note would be under repair and maintenance.

1569
02:43:53,180 --> 02:43:55,460
The carpet request.

1570
02:43:55,900 --> 02:43:56,160
Capital.

1571
02:43:56,500 --> 02:43:58,040
Oh is that under capital, thank you.

1572
02:43:58,040 --> 02:44:02,720
And then looking back, I mean you have 29 in there, but looking back at those quotes.

1573
02:44:03,460 --> 02:44:06,500
Were those, is that 29 accurate?

1574
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:13,220
It's 29 to 30, I think we had really anticipated closer to 30.

1575
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:24,380
But 29 does do carpet replacement in the main public health office and then that admin building in front, where carpet is desperately needed.

1576
02:44:24,380 --> 02:44:30,690
So main building plus yours, okay, by

1577
02:44:32,710 --> 02:44:37,570
the time budget's approved something

1578
02:44:40,260 --> 02:44:42,340
like January, I

1579
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:46,620
would hope not, but we'll

1580
02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:52,420
go with a

1581
02:44:53,020 --> 02:44:55,440
or option or one building that

1582
02:44:58,570 --> 02:44:59,790
come up with the rest.

1583
02:45:05,080 --> 02:45:30,680
I had in our notes that we had at 30,000, if we could, I mean, if we want to do 32,000, just to make sure we have that cost covered, that would be an ideal. Good. And then in addition to where you're talking about in your office, the need for some sort of divider or what were you talking about? I'd like to make an office in that front part of that. So there's two separate offices.

1584
02:45:30,680 --> 02:45:36,320
Yeah, so there's an actual office in that front room in addition to the office that I'm

1585
02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:42,940
currently because I do have a nurse in that space right now and it's just really difficult

1586
02:45:42,940 --> 02:45:49,720
if we're both on separate calls to be all with the door would be great.

1587
02:45:50,380 --> 02:45:51,760
Space enough to do all this.

1588
02:45:51,880 --> 02:45:52,120
Oh, yes.

1589
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:53,200
Yep.

1590
02:45:53,360 --> 02:45:55,320
And there's a window, so it's

1591
02:45:59,320 --> 02:46:02,900
a wall, a door and carpet.

1592
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:13,210
So, do we need to, I would cover the wall of the door that you're talking about?

1593
02:46:14,890 --> 02:46:16,330
Question on how much it would cost?

1594
02:46:18,860 --> 02:46:20,720
Like a 10 foot long wall kind of thing?

1595
02:46:23,370 --> 02:46:23,830
Probably.

1596
02:46:26,370 --> 02:46:28,150
Possibly do that in house the wall.

1597
02:46:28,590 --> 02:46:28,750
Right.

1598
02:46:28,930 --> 02:46:33,550
I think there had been discussion about any leftover materials from frame

1599
02:46:38,670 --> 02:46:39,930
out a wall and put it

1600
02:46:39,930 --> 02:46:40,330
door in.

1601
02:46:40,330 --> 02:46:41,330
So

1602
02:46:43,860 --> 02:46:51,300
we have, I think a 35 would cover that, I mean if we don't use it high.

1603
02:46:53,710 --> 02:46:54,190
Thank you.

1604
02:47:00,430 --> 02:47:00,650
Okay.

1605
02:47:02,650 --> 02:47:11,050
So just a note, we're doing a lot of searching for additional grant programs that align

1606
02:47:11,050 --> 02:47:17,590
with the services we already provide or services that we'd like to provide that wouldn't increase

1607
02:47:17,590 --> 02:47:25,210
our FTE capacity by any means, but would bring an additional revenue to our office so

1608
02:47:25,210 --> 02:47:29,690
that we can get a little more self-sustaining than we are currently.

1609
02:47:30,430 --> 02:47:40,490
Also of note, when we did fee hearings, we did requests to raise some fees with environmental

1610
02:47:40,490 --> 02:47:46,130
health for plan review fees and change of ownership, just some of those hourly fees to come in

1611
02:47:46,130 --> 02:47:52,510
line with our surrounding counties because we right now are the least expensive of surrounding

1612
02:47:52,510 --> 02:47:55,870
counties for those two services for plan review and then change of ownership.

1613
02:47:59,900 --> 02:48:06,960
So we do have a little extra revenue that we'll be bringing in if we public

1614
02:48:16,360 --> 02:48:17,100
health budget.

1615
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:24,020
I think we're good, questions?

1616
02:48:28,730 --> 02:48:36,030
Trying to keep it at 50, I'd like to get to 75 but I don't want to mission creep or do

1617
02:48:36,030 --> 02:48:40,070
of things that don't align with what item what we'd like to do.

1618
02:48:42,430 --> 02:48:42,510
Okay,

1619
02:48:48,130 --> 02:48:49,570
the home care budget.

1620
02:48:58,930 --> 02:49:08,710
So we did also request during fee hearings to raise our private pay fee from $30 an

1621
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:15,990
an hour to $35 an hour and that is affected revenue.

1622
02:49:17,350 --> 02:49:22,910
It really is an unknown, specifically at this point,

1623
02:49:23,150 --> 02:49:28,070
how many clients will have on private pay versus Medicaid billable.

1624
02:49:28,910 --> 02:49:33,190
So just to offset some of the cost of the program,

1625
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:37,010
we're proposing that raise of $5 an hour.

1626
02:49:39,150 --> 02:49:42,890
Otherwise, there's no additional changes to the program or operations.

1627
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:56,640
Remind me again, would you say our average load, patient load is for this, or client load whatever you want to call it?

1628
02:49:56,700 --> 02:49:59,980
If we could say on average we have 15 clients per month.

1629
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,860
Some of those are visited a few times a week. Some are every other week. It really just depends on the client's needs. Right now, we have a client roster of 18. So, that's probably the highest we've had in the program's history as far as I can find anyway. So, we've got a good mix of payer sources also, a good mix of private pay,

1630
02:50:29,860 --> 02:50:31,300
versus Medicaid.

1631
02:50:32,360 --> 02:50:39,840
So also Medicaid reimbursement is going up $1.26 an hour, so I can't remember what that comes out to.

1632
02:50:39,980 --> 02:50:45,800
It's just over $26 an hour for reimbursable questions

1633
02:50:52,810 --> 02:50:53,190
there.

1634
02:50:54,330 --> 02:50:56,110
Questions on home care?

1635
02:50:56,470 --> 02:51:04,490
I'll just try to wrap my head around the fact that it's more than $10,000 per client per year.

1636
02:51:04,490 --> 02:51:05,370
And

1637
02:51:14,300 --> 02:51:15,520
that note,

1638
02:51:20,260 --> 02:51:29,920
I guess, there's not a pair to be many of any grant opportunities for this type of service.

1639
02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:47,380
Yeah, we actually do send some of our clients that are on their fixed incomes that don't have a lot of reserves to help pay for things we do partner with vintage to provide those vouchers for home care services.

1640
02:51:47,380 --> 02:52:00,000
So we do have a little bit of that as well, but Vintage, I think we've discussed this in prior conversations that Vintage also had a reduction in their budget for services.

1641
02:52:00,500 --> 02:52:07,800
So there are a lot of men of vouchers for home care services also decreased a little bit, and it's a first come first served.

1642
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:14,820
So we make sure that clients who are eligible to receive those vouchers apply as soon as it's open.

1643
02:52:14,820 --> 02:52:20,760
and so that they can take advantage of some of those vouchers through vintage.

1644
02:52:21,900 --> 02:52:25,800
The additional payer source, it's just not a significant amount.

1645
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:31,360
Yep, aside from that, there's not a whole lot of grant funding.

1646
02:52:32,300 --> 02:52:34,620
Always look, I'm on all the distribution lists.

1647
02:52:44,830 --> 02:52:45,570
Any other questions?

1648
02:52:45,970 --> 02:52:46,150
Thank you.

1649
02:52:47,490 --> 02:52:48,730
We're good to go on.

1650
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:53,450
So, the last program would be senior nutrition.

1651
02:52:56,570 --> 02:53:05,130
We also had discussions about this in May that vintage with their reduction in available

1652
02:53:05,130 --> 02:53:18,170
For various programs, we're not a recipient of their restaurant voucher program support.

1653
02:53:19,550 --> 02:53:30,860
So what is the primary change for this program is adding $5,400 to support the five to

1654
02:53:30,860 --> 02:53:33,260
can be fighting that service.

1655
02:53:34,820 --> 02:53:42,360
What those vouchers are, we have one restaurant in Kremlin, we're always working to try and

1656
02:53:42,360 --> 02:53:47,340
add more, but one restaurant in Kremlin and three in Grambi that are participants of

1657
02:53:47,340 --> 02:53:53,440
this voucher program and anyone over the age of 60 can pick up these restaurant vouchers,

1658
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:59,200
it's a voucher for $15, so they can go to one of the participating restaurants and take

1659
02:53:59,200 --> 02:54:03,820
themselves out to lunch or go out to lunch with some friends and have that meal paid for.

1660
02:54:07,540 --> 02:54:11,820
There are no qualifications in one of those vouchers.

1661
02:54:12,040 --> 02:54:13,500
No, just age.

1662
02:54:18,660 --> 02:54:22,860
It is just quite the hit with some of our seniors.

1663
02:54:23,260 --> 02:54:28,140
They regularly come by and pick out new vouchers once a week.

1664
02:54:30,660 --> 02:54:34,140
They enjoy having an opportunity to go out and eat at a restaurant.

1665
02:54:37,440 --> 02:54:46,900
predominantly economically lower on the scale I would say so and through vintage when we did

1666
02:54:46,900 --> 02:54:53,260
receive vintage funding for this we did do assessments for everyone who was receiving these vouchers

1667
02:54:53,260 --> 02:54:57,200
and primarily they were being used by lower income.

1668
02:55:01,740 --> 02:55:13,760
Found in their program. It's hopeful, and of course, I'll always submit an application when the RFP is available to help support the restaurant vouchers.

1669
02:55:16,660 --> 02:55:17,420
I'll keep trying.

1670
02:55:22,300 --> 02:55:23,100
Questions? Okay, keep going.

1671
02:55:23,100 --> 02:55:30,840
So, I did also increase the amount budgeted from the mom's meals program.

1672
02:55:30,880 --> 02:55:34,140
It's the home delivered meal program on the line item there.

1673
02:55:34,360 --> 02:55:41,440
It's just an increase of $3,635 and that's just to come up to what we

1674
02:55:41,440 --> 02:55:47,900
expanded in 2023 to continue to support the mom's meal program and that's four meals a week.

1675
02:55:49,460 --> 02:55:54,420
They brought some in so you could try them, but they get to pick from the menu.

1676
02:55:54,840 --> 02:55:56,640
They're delivered to the house every two weeks.

1677
02:55:57,460 --> 02:56:05,620
And it's just for homebound with some variety and ease of having something to eat.

1678
02:56:06,220 --> 02:56:13,380
Just leveling that out a little bit in accordance with the 2023 expenditures.

1679
02:56:13,380 --> 02:56:21,540
So there's that one and then doing that for what two years now that was

1680
02:56:21,540 --> 02:56:27,940
a new company, a different company that was 2019, it's

1681
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:37,260
something different

1682
02:56:37,260 --> 02:56:37,660
though.

1683
02:56:44,410 --> 02:56:48,590
Yes, I do. So yeah, that's what I remember is reaching for me to be

1684
02:56:48,590 --> 02:56:52,710
familiarize us with the correct. Yeah, it was because there was a question about

1685
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:57,830
or a comment about the meals not being that great or yeah, that there wasn't a lot

1686
02:56:57,830 --> 02:57:04,530
a variety, so they did a presentation and we had a sample pack and a process.

1687
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:09,010
But we didn't end up changing anything, we just reiterated what they were doing with.

1688
02:57:09,950 --> 02:57:12,850
Yep, and give you a chance to try some of the meals.

1689
02:57:14,430 --> 02:57:21,750
I'm sure if that's what you're relying on on a regular basis that can get old as anything

1690
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:22,950
would, but.

1691
02:57:28,830 --> 02:57:29,050
Right.

1692
02:57:29,050 --> 02:57:29,930
And

1693
02:57:32,880 --> 02:57:40,480
then just keeping things the same with the Lunch and Learn program, no increase or deduction on that.

1694
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:43,040
It seems like we're pretty right-sized on that.

1695
02:57:43,420 --> 02:57:44,800
It balances out some months.

1696
02:57:45,560 --> 02:57:49,860
We spend the full amount budgeted, I think it's $2,400.

1697
02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:57,620
For the Lunch and Learn, so sometimes we're under and sometimes we're a little bit over, but it maintains pretty well.

1698
02:57:57,620 --> 02:58:15,080
I think last year we were actually under budget by about $10,000, but the program has gained popularity, so I don't want to change that line item too much at all so that we can adjust as the program.

1699
02:58:15,080 --> 02:58:15,940
Since

1700
02:58:21,310 --> 02:58:26,330
where is that one in the that would be I think it's food

1701
02:58:28,850 --> 02:58:38,690
I thought that was maybe the restaurant vouchers would be great

1702
02:58:58,020 --> 02:58:59,000
program

1703
02:59:03,540 --> 02:59:09,140
I told you Grand Lake did have to move to the Grand Lake Community Center

1704
02:59:09,140 --> 02:59:12,160
because the library couldn't accommodate everyone who wanted to attend

1705
02:59:12,160 --> 02:59:22,180
And they have reservations pretty much every month and great presenters, and it's become

1706
02:59:22,180 --> 02:59:29,280
a really nice platform to reach our seniors, like moving to Genesis, which I think Ilana

1707
02:59:29,280 --> 02:59:32,380
has reached out to the libraries to make sure we can reach the same time.

1708
02:59:33,480 --> 02:59:35,260
I've had several others reach out.

1709
02:59:35,360 --> 02:59:39,020
How do I get on the list for presenters for the launch and learns?

1710
02:59:39,020 --> 02:59:48,680
and it's been a really great way to connect with our seniors in the community and provide

1711
02:59:48,680 --> 02:59:55,620
information and we actually just presented on this at the Public Health and the Rockies

1712
02:59:55,620 --> 02:59:59,960
conference last week, and...

1713
03:00:00,110 --> 03:00:28,690
Rose, who does a lot of the nutrition. I think she's also presented for county employees, but, you know, people have come to her with all kinds of dietary questions. She does their blood pressure checks also during the luncheon one program. So we're kind of monitoring health there and helping with some preventive recommendations to provide her for things that we're noticing. So, been great. People are paying attention to each other.

1714
03:00:35,490 --> 03:00:35,770
Yes.

1715
03:00:35,770 --> 03:00:37,090
Yes, word-winning, don't forget.

1716
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:42,240
That's all I have for you for my budget.

1717
03:00:43,000 --> 03:00:45,340
Good question Mr. Chair, curious, either way,

1718
03:00:45,620 --> 03:00:48,700
are you planning to attend the CCI winner this year or not?

1719
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:49,740
Conference?

1720
03:00:55,120 --> 03:00:57,420
It's an instrument service that goes on this public health goes.

1721
03:00:57,720 --> 03:00:59,060
It's totally optional to you, but.

1722
03:00:59,400 --> 03:01:03,080
I do get newsletters on occasion, but I have that particular event.

1723
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:14,940
Yeah, if you can't find the dates or whatever,

1724
03:01:15,400 --> 03:01:17,360
Sydney has it and she made a reservation for us.

1725
03:01:17,360 --> 03:01:26,760
out with an agenda yet? No, still a draft last hour. I just don't want to make it meaningful,

1726
03:01:27,060 --> 03:01:34,100
if there's a draft to change breakout part. Yeah, some years or some years or not. So yeah,

1727
03:01:34,100 --> 03:01:40,820
it's a pretty good criteria to decide whether or not to go. Yeah, I definitely keep an eye on this.

1728
03:01:44,620 --> 03:01:51,020
There's one of the one of the biggest takeaways in my first CCI was the two-hour seminar on public

1729
03:01:51,020 --> 03:01:54,960
and stuck with me, you know?

1730
03:02:00,820 --> 03:02:03,520
Are we all current on our training requirements?

1731
03:02:04,680 --> 03:02:05,040
Why?

1732
03:02:06,020 --> 03:02:06,580
Oh, boy.

1733
03:02:07,080 --> 03:02:09,020
Just, I didn't want to...

1734
03:02:09,020 --> 03:02:10,460
I was trying to get you off the hook.

1735
03:02:11,360 --> 03:02:12,880
I'm grandfather, I'm whatever.

1736
03:02:13,420 --> 03:02:14,340
You still have one to do?

1737
03:02:14,380 --> 03:02:15,360
You kicked me out in January.

1738
03:02:15,500 --> 03:02:15,520
Yes.

1739
03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:17,320
But the response was...

1740
03:02:17,320 --> 03:02:17,700
Is it due?

1741
03:02:17,880 --> 03:02:18,060
No.

1742
03:02:18,540 --> 03:02:20,300
The state's not going to be lenient.

1743
03:02:20,840 --> 03:02:21,940
So I'm not like overdue.

1744
03:02:22,440 --> 03:02:23,660
No, you're not overdue.

1745
03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:26,800
But I did send out a reminder two weeks ago.

1746
03:02:33,420 --> 03:02:36,640
I thought so too, and I think we went through this I can't

1747
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:44,640
It feels like it wasn't that long ago with the certificates and letting them know that you did complete.

1748
03:02:49,830 --> 03:02:51,350
I'll look for that and see if I'm

1749
03:02:59,060 --> 03:03:01,860
Thank you. Thank you very much. Yep.

1750
03:03:05,570 --> 03:03:06,750
All right. Doesn't

1751
03:03:13,660 --> 03:03:15,260
look like there's much to look at.

1752
03:03:17,380 --> 03:03:20,320
Well, did he we didn't even contact him at all?

1753
03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:23,640
I left him a voice message earlier today,

1754
03:03:26,380 --> 03:03:27,720
he held him as time.

1755
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:35,020
Remember if he even came last year, but last year, but I am,

1756
03:03:37,560 --> 03:03:39,020
I'm sorry.

1757
03:03:39,240 --> 03:03:40,180
You don't expect him to come?

1758
03:03:40,900 --> 03:03:45,220
I've not heard from him this year, so we've reached out a couple times.

1759
03:03:46,600 --> 03:03:49,240
Billy, there's no significant change, is there anything in there?

1760
03:03:49,240 --> 03:03:57,400
No, he gets a lower salary and we provide benefits,

1761
03:04:02,310 --> 03:04:04,770
more services, contract.

1762
03:04:07,170 --> 03:04:09,650
I think we're probably good to go ahead and just do it.

1763
03:04:10,350 --> 03:04:14,250
I guess if he shows up he can give him a few minutes to explain anything.

1764
03:04:14,930 --> 03:04:23,370
I mean, basically, that's all there is is the personnel costs, it's $20, $200,000.

1765
03:04:25,580 --> 03:04:29,080
I don't see any possible concerns with the proving his budget.

1766
03:04:32,770 --> 03:04:39,210
Quest from him, for any additional purchases, you know, sometimes he's asked for,

1767
03:04:49,130 --> 03:04:59,310
I don't know what he's got under professional fees, heck, but he spent $6.45.

1768
03:05:01,460 --> 03:05:02,740
Budget something there.

1769
03:05:07,150 --> 03:05:08,470
Oh, is that the telephone?

1770
03:05:13,340 --> 03:05:14,600
I bet it is.

1771
03:05:18,660 --> 03:05:20,840
I would question whether that's necessary.

1772
03:05:23,280 --> 03:05:32,830
Look up just. He doesn't have an office in his building, does he? Yeah, down, down by the bill. If we upgraded that phone,

1773
03:05:40,220 --> 03:05:43,640
I show that he's on the computer refresh list for 25 as well.

1774
03:05:50,650 --> 03:05:57,090
2500. It's got 2000. So it's 45.

1775
03:06:19,210 --> 03:06:22,790
That's what's on the IT list for computer refresh.

1776
03:06:23,510 --> 03:06:24,650
So you're going to add that in there?

1777
03:06:40,150 --> 03:06:42,870
$1,000 in that.

1778
03:06:54,710 --> 03:06:56,810
All our recommendations if you're okay with that.

1779
03:06:57,890 --> 03:06:59,730
$1 for post-teach actual.

1780
03:07:01,690 --> 03:07:02,610
That's accurate.

1781
03:07:02,610 --> 03:07:09,410
it? Probably a mistake. On one stamp. Two stamps.

1782
03:07:13,080 --> 03:07:13,520
I don't know.

1783
03:07:15,910 --> 03:07:17,450
All right. I think we're

1784
03:07:17,450 --> 03:07:18,950
going to do you have those couple of additions.

1785
03:07:24,210 --> 03:07:27,750
Are we counting manager now? Or commissioners

1786
03:07:27,750 --> 03:07:29,150
move commissioners up.

1787
03:07:33,440 --> 03:07:37,240
Either one, I'm good to do it now. Abby is going to have

1788
03:07:39,380 --> 03:07:40,160
that while

1789
03:07:42,480 --> 03:07:43,860
I think I'm going to start at 1 o'clock.

1790
03:07:43,860 --> 03:07:48,630
We can do lunch now while Abby is here.

1791
03:07:48,930 --> 03:07:49,810
She doesn't have to wait for us.

1792
03:07:50,530 --> 03:07:52,630
Lunch and then start county manager early.

1793
03:07:54,570 --> 03:07:55,470
China can be.

1794
03:07:56,630 --> 03:07:58,730
I think I don't know, guys.

1795
03:07:58,830 --> 03:07:59,890
I think we get started at 1 o'clock.

1796
03:08:00,550 --> 03:08:01,490
Everything is done fast.

1797
03:08:01,690 --> 03:08:02,490
I'm looking ahead.

1798
03:08:02,690 --> 03:08:06,410
Unless you all on your preview of the budget think this is

1799
03:08:06,410 --> 03:08:06,910
controversial.

1800
03:08:06,910 --> 03:08:07,830
is going to be changed.

1801
03:08:08,270 --> 03:08:08,610
It's not funny.

1802
03:08:09,130 --> 03:08:09,470
I don't know.

1803
03:08:09,750 --> 03:08:09,910
This year.

1804
03:08:10,630 --> 03:08:11,350
I don't know.

1805
03:08:11,510 --> 03:08:11,930
I don't know.

1806
03:08:12,070 --> 03:08:12,970
Hold on to the conversation.

1807
03:08:13,410 --> 03:08:13,870
One to three.

1808
03:08:14,470 --> 03:08:15,270
It could happen.

1809
03:08:15,390 --> 03:08:17,550
But we were done by two o'clock with all three bills.

1810
03:08:17,710 --> 03:08:17,970
I don't know.

1811
03:08:21,940 --> 03:08:22,800
I would agree with you.

1812
03:08:23,340 --> 03:08:24,900
I would do county manager.

1813
03:08:29,550 --> 03:08:30,170
That's what they did.

1814
03:08:30,310 --> 03:08:31,830
And then she would be sure to do that.

1815
03:08:32,390 --> 03:08:32,990
Let's do that.

1816
03:08:33,070 --> 03:08:33,770
Let's do lunch now.

1817
03:08:33,970 --> 03:08:34,350
I'll be here.

1818
03:08:34,450 --> 03:08:35,230
So she doesn't have to wait.

1819
03:08:35,370 --> 03:08:36,310
And then we can come and do those.

1820
03:08:36,710 --> 03:08:39,690
And county manager and commissioners budget first.

1821
03:08:39,830 --> 03:08:40,270
And then do.

1822
03:08:41,230 --> 03:08:42,210
She and after that.

1823
03:08:49,950 --> 03:08:54,730
So we'll turn microphones off and we'll start back up at one o'clock with

1824
03:08:54,730 --> 03:08:59,910
with a county manager budget, microphone's off.

1825
04:32:28,340 --> 04:32:39,560
Microphones on. Let's go ahead and get started with our one o'clock agenda item, which is tab number 18. Any manager, Ed Moyer, and he just left the room. So.

1826
04:32:42,340 --> 04:32:49,160
We're going to start with water protection, which Catherine can go. We'll start with. We're going to get started under the manager items. So Catherine, you're up.

1827
04:32:51,730 --> 04:32:53,630
Ab 18 second

1828
04:32:57,630 --> 04:32:58,350
from last.

1829
04:33:01,580 --> 04:33:03,160
Okay. Good to go.

1830
04:33:09,820 --> 04:33:14,600
Hello, for the second time. Catherine Morris. Grand County Water Quality Manager.

1831
04:33:14,600 --> 04:33:20,520
here to present the water protection and the water quality budgets to you.

1832
04:33:21,240 --> 04:33:27,920
This year's water protection budget includes revenues just under $235,000.

1833
04:33:28,280 --> 04:33:30,820
That's a 71% decrease.

1834
04:33:31,780 --> 04:33:35,620
It equates to $580,000 less than last year.

1835
04:33:36,340 --> 04:33:41,920
That's because of the Colorado River Connectivity Channel funds that we received this year.

1836
04:33:41,920 --> 04:33:53,700
And also a $36,000 grant for the Kawanichi Valley Restoration Project that is hopefully all of those will be expended by the close of 2024.

1837
04:33:55,420 --> 04:34:05,240
So there's a commensurate decrease almost in expenditures to a little more than 738,000.

1838
04:34:05,240 --> 04:34:11,820
The decrease is 565,000, so just 15 short of that revenue decrease.

1839
04:34:15,520 --> 04:34:21,580
In addition to what's already mentioned, I have the following specific account highlights.

1840
04:34:21,880 --> 04:34:28,720
So wildfire-ready watersheds phase two started two to three months later than anticipated.

1841
04:34:29,480 --> 04:34:36,860
So an equivalent amount of funds, both revenues and expenditures, is being shifted from 2024

1842
04:34:36,860 --> 04:34:40,120
for into the 2025 budget.

1843
04:34:41,680 --> 04:34:43,760
Which, which plan item is that?

1844
04:34:44,940 --> 04:34:48,000
That would be special projects as we're going to show up.

1845
04:34:49,740 --> 04:34:53,880
And it's probably over $100,000 for wildfire ready watersheds.

1846
04:34:54,060 --> 04:34:59,720
I mean, my value is well over that, but it remains yet to be seen how they bill.

1847
04:34:59,720 --> 04:34:59,880
Thank you.

1848
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:26,420
And where the bulk of the work happens. So, Catherine, the, so special projects in this year's budget was 296. We're not going to spend all that. Correct. And that's going to be punted to the majority of it next year. Correct. Two to three months of that. That's my point. Thank you. In of the 262. How much of that as well? Fire ready. I don't

1849
04:35:31,920 --> 04:35:35,360
actually have that detail with me. Right.

1850
04:35:35,360 --> 04:35:35,660
right now.

1851
04:35:35,900 --> 04:35:36,900
But there's other professionals.

1852
04:35:37,900 --> 04:35:42,100
Yeah, special projects, but that is far and away the primary.

1853
04:35:46,330 --> 04:35:55,230
And then there were 23,000 in revenues from CatchMatch, CatchMatch for wildfire-ready watersheds

1854
04:35:55,230 --> 04:36:04,750
in 2024 that don't show up in 2024's budget and will not show up in 2025's budget because

1855
04:36:04,750 --> 04:36:20,930
As they give us the money after budget season occurred and we're going to try and expend it before the close of 2024 to stop this department from having to roll it over into 2025.

1856
04:36:22,290 --> 04:36:30,110
So we're going to try and front load that so that the majority of the CWCB funds come in in 2025.

1857
04:36:32,050 --> 04:36:37,530
Other than that, expenditures are significant increases or legal fees.

1858
04:36:38,630 --> 04:36:41,770
We have three projects that we're expecting to cost more.

1859
04:36:43,010 --> 04:36:47,050
Water quality is not a significant increase, but I wanted to highlight it.

1860
04:36:47,250 --> 04:36:49,550
It's only a 1% increase.

1861
04:36:52,130 --> 04:36:57,690
USGS monitoring contract went up considerably this year, well above inflation.

1862
04:36:57,690 --> 04:37:09,810
However, we negotiated a decrease with learning by doing project partners for our monitoring cost share.

1863
04:37:10,690 --> 04:37:16,370
And so that's absorbing much of that difference in cost, which is nice.

1864
04:37:16,730 --> 04:37:18,990
And that will continue now.

1865
04:37:19,310 --> 04:37:24,690
The monitoring partners have agreed to those percentages, a reduced percentage for

1866
04:37:24,690 --> 04:37:28,250
county going forward, and so happy about that.

1867
04:37:29,110 --> 04:37:35,490
And then GC wins cost is up by $5,000 because they are instituting a new dashboard.

1868
04:37:36,710 --> 04:37:43,410
For data visualization, strategic plan, and there's also a dues increase in there.

1869
04:37:46,970 --> 04:37:48,350
Decreases in the budgets.

1870
04:37:49,590 --> 04:37:54,590
There is no wind-a-gap pumping in, sorry, funding for

1871
04:37:54,590 --> 04:37:59,950
or when to get pumping in 2025, traditionally or in recent years anyway.

1872
04:38:00,130 --> 04:38:02,670
We've reserved $35,000 for that.

1873
04:38:02,950 --> 04:38:07,830
So that's where we're getting our biggest reduction and cost this year.

1874
04:38:08,630 --> 04:38:17,390
In the future, commissioners just as a reminder, Denver Water will be contributing $500,000 to a fund to be used for pumping.

1875
04:38:17,730 --> 04:38:22,090
And then I think two years after another milestone, there'll be another 500.

1876
04:38:22,090 --> 04:38:27,190
So there's going to be a total of million dollars of seed money for when you get pumping

1877
04:38:27,190 --> 04:38:27,850
in the future.

1878
04:38:28,730 --> 04:38:34,290
If we have the chance to pump next year and we're in a unique situation, we'll come

1879
04:38:34,290 --> 04:38:37,510
to you and request a supplemental and set a budgeting for it.

1880
04:38:38,950 --> 04:38:46,350
I asked them to remove that this year as we budgeted for it in previous years and we'll

1881
04:38:46,350 --> 04:38:47,070
just remove that.

1882
04:38:47,150 --> 04:38:49,690
If we have a unique situation, we'll come to you with a workbook.

1883
04:38:53,790 --> 04:39:01,170
Also, removed our contingency, there was always a contingency of just $4,000 in professional

1884
04:39:01,170 --> 04:39:07,910
services so that we could participate in events like when they hired a toxicologist or

1885
04:39:07,910 --> 04:39:13,150
two toxicologists for the Henderson-Millibdenum study and things like that.

1886
04:39:13,750 --> 04:39:17,430
We had extra money this year, we will not have those funds.

1887
04:39:18,090 --> 04:39:19,970
So that's a decrease of $4,000.

1888
04:39:19,970 --> 04:39:27,530
And then special projects, we've already talked about decreases, but it's duplex.

1889
04:39:27,550 --> 04:39:31,850
So the other amount in there is the $50,000 rich in him and ditch study.

1890
04:39:32,550 --> 04:39:33,250
Thank you.

1891
04:39:37,710 --> 04:39:48,250
So that's a CRCA requirement that we participate with Denver Water, much like we did the Big Lake ditch study on those two other ditches.

1892
04:39:48,250 --> 04:39:49,230
So,

1893
04:39:52,670 --> 04:39:57,990
special projects decreased by 34,000 due to no funding for

1894
04:39:57,990 --> 04:39:59,970
10,000 less.

1895
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:11,520
Last for wildfire ready, watersheds, phase one of wildfire ready, watersheds being completed, and phase two, only being about 14,000 higher than what was estimated in 24.

1896
04:40:14,850 --> 04:40:32,270
LBD administrative contributions also decreased by 4,000. So in conclusion, general support in this budget, let's see, is 503,000. It's a pretty modest increase from last year.

1897
04:40:32,270 --> 04:40:36,870
has a 3% increase last year was 489,000.

1898
04:40:38,550 --> 04:40:52,710
We call it water protection charges, no fees, and budget at grant revenue is going from 815,000 in 24 to 235,000 in 255.

1899
04:40:54,380 --> 04:40:55,360
Any questions?

1900
04:41:00,500 --> 04:41:12,960
I know that you already said this, but the Wendy Gap connectivity went to zero, but is there any potential that there might be expenses that left that we're going to have to pay on that or is that completely closed out?

1901
04:41:13,180 --> 04:41:17,440
It should be completely closed out. It depends on if they meet their timing.

1902
04:41:21,880 --> 04:41:24,060
Confident that the zero is fine there.

1903
04:41:24,740 --> 04:41:24,940
Yeah,

1904
04:41:27,070 --> 04:41:28,270
that is the plan.

1905
04:41:28,270 --> 04:41:35,470
Okay, and then on the windy gap pumping, I know that Mr. Moyer just talked about that, and

1906
04:41:36,450 --> 04:41:42,410
take it out, but is there at least a 50% chance that we're going to need to do that this year?

1907
04:41:43,050 --> 04:41:48,050
No, I would just say we leave it in there, put that money in there for the pumping.

1908
04:41:48,850 --> 04:41:51,070
There's always a chance that we're going to do it and then it's there.

1909
04:41:55,540 --> 04:41:58,040
It's a bit of a numbers exercise.

1910
04:41:58,040 --> 04:42:04,740
I know, but we know the funds from Denver water are coming, but what do we plan on that expenditure?

1911
04:42:06,120 --> 04:42:09,320
It's a possibility just as much as not that it could happen, right?

1912
04:42:10,780 --> 04:42:15,100
Unless you know something that's not going to happen for sure. We'll put it back in

1913
04:42:16,660 --> 04:42:23,060
Thank you commissioners. Yes, thank you. Some point off. It's there. We're gonna do it. Let's put it in there

1914
04:42:24,140 --> 04:42:27,460
Got that change over there Curtis. Yes sir 35,000

1915
04:42:28,040 --> 04:42:29,000
That was the number, yeah.

1916
04:42:29,920 --> 04:42:30,000
Yep.

1917
04:42:30,900 --> 04:42:31,540
Okay.

1918
04:42:31,720 --> 04:42:32,320
That's all I had.

1919
04:42:33,040 --> 04:42:33,200
Okay.

1920
04:42:34,460 --> 04:42:37,960
And the other budget that I have is the water quality.

1921
04:42:40,020 --> 04:42:44,300
This year's budget includes revenues of 18,600.

1922
04:42:45,420 --> 04:42:53,160
That's based on 15,000 of water quality impact fee assessments on new development and then interest earnings.

1923
04:42:54,720 --> 04:42:57,640
which are projected to decrease from last year.

1924
04:42:59,280 --> 04:43:03,340
Benatures are just an estimated 150 for treasure fees.

1925
04:43:04,300 --> 04:43:04,980
That's it.

1926
04:43:07,480 --> 04:43:08,620
That one was pretty simple.

1927
04:43:08,900 --> 04:43:08,980
Yes.

1928
04:43:09,720 --> 04:43:10,580
Notice how it's all green.

1929
04:43:15,720 --> 04:43:17,100
Questions on that one?

1930
04:43:17,680 --> 04:43:19,380
No, thank you for the review, thank you.

1931
04:43:19,920 --> 04:43:28,880
So then we have a fund balance on water quality of $165,000 roughly.

1932
04:43:34,100 --> 04:43:35,540
And will that fund be used?

1933
04:43:37,450 --> 04:43:39,490
I think we need to develop a

1934
04:43:42,590 --> 04:43:50,450
plan for the use of those funds that has the approval of parties involved.

1935
04:43:51,190 --> 04:43:56,270
But at this point we don't have a plan in place, okay, good.

1936
04:44:01,570 --> 04:44:02,450
All right, thanks, Catherine.

1937
04:44:02,450 --> 04:44:03,050
Thank you.

1938
04:44:03,290 --> 04:44:03,870
Thank you.

1939
04:44:04,630 --> 04:44:05,110
Okay.

1940
04:44:05,570 --> 04:44:07,970
Which raises an interesting question.

1941
04:44:08,770 --> 04:44:09,910
A big contract.

1942
04:44:15,670 --> 04:44:16,670
I apologize, Commissioner.

1943
04:44:17,070 --> 04:44:19,810
I was having a side conversation with the Assistant Council.

1944
04:44:20,030 --> 04:44:24,070
We were talking about the balance in the water quality fund.

1945
04:44:26,610 --> 04:44:31,790
It gets added on every year because they don't have any expenses related.

1946
04:44:31,790 --> 04:44:32,910
We've

1947
04:44:35,060 --> 04:44:40,200
had several discussions about that, and part

1948
04:44:43,560 --> 04:44:53,920
of that discussion was going to be recommending we pay for some of the water quality monitoring out of the water protection budget with those funds, but all that is as an interfund transfer.

1949
04:44:55,140 --> 04:44:59,980
There's a much larger discussion about how to utilize those funds per

1950
04:45:05,620 --> 04:45:26,840
So, my question was, do we need to hire somebody to make a plan, create the plan? How to use those? Unless you already have some really strong ideas of what that should be, and we just need to get them on paper. I'll throw that out there, you think about it. Maybe next year we'll know.

1951
04:45:35,810 --> 04:45:37,430
Okay. What's next?

1952
04:45:37,430 --> 04:45:37,610
Next.

1953
04:45:40,770 --> 04:45:41,720
Any minute or somebody?

1954
04:45:42,360 --> 04:45:44,440
18A for each livestock sale.

1955
04:45:45,160 --> 04:45:45,240
Okay.

1956
04:45:46,500 --> 04:45:53,940
So commissioners, we increased the revenue and the expenditure in that particular budget

1957
04:45:53,940 --> 04:45:56,540
based on historic sales the last few years.

1958
04:45:57,240 --> 04:46:03,200
Actual for 2024 is going to hit close to that $475,000 for revenue.

1959
04:46:03,660 --> 04:46:03,940
Any

1960
04:46:08,070 --> 04:46:09,310
questions on that one?

1961
04:46:09,750 --> 04:46:10,850
Are you good with that number, Sheena?

1962
04:46:10,850 --> 04:46:15,990
Yeah, this

1963
04:46:19,740 --> 04:46:23,540
budget is pretty straightforward, sorry, go on.

1964
04:46:24,280 --> 04:46:37,400
All right, I'll see what Mike had jumped in here, but we just received that budget for a draft budget from the district last night, was it?

1965
04:46:38,160 --> 04:46:40,620
Yes, so I don't know.

1966
04:46:40,620 --> 04:46:42,900
We haven't had a chance to go through it.

1967
04:46:43,680 --> 04:46:49,560
There's $46,000 in there for capital projects, for upgrades to the community lift station.

1968
04:46:50,140 --> 04:46:59,560
They'll be working on engineering, and then we did increase tap fees in July to $20,000 per tap about

1969
04:47:04,420 --> 04:47:05,180
all I have on that one.

1970
04:47:05,180 --> 04:47:12,000
I just want to bring up commissioners, this goes back to 1998, 1999, 2000.

1971
04:47:13,560 --> 04:47:26,700
So, to apply to the state for a site application for waste water treatment plants.

1972
04:47:27,180 --> 04:47:37,960
You go through all the permitting process, a 1041 permit through the county, part of that original plan was always to have a, there was a need for a lift station.

1973
04:47:37,960 --> 04:47:49,560
for old town. And there are some needed repairs to that lift station, which will be in this budget for next year.

1974
04:47:50,140 --> 04:47:54,000
In fact, we'll probably see some engineering costs for that this fall.

1975
04:47:56,550 --> 04:48:03,970
But apparently the state of Colorado does not have a site application, a separate site application for that lift station.

1976
04:48:03,970 --> 04:48:09,010
It's referenced in the original site application for the wastewater treatment plant.

1977
04:48:09,330 --> 04:48:17,110
In fact, all the distribution lines, the sewer lines in Old Town, many of them, I mean,

1978
04:48:17,310 --> 04:48:20,150
people couldn't have gotten served without the lift station.

1979
04:48:20,590 --> 04:48:26,930
So it was part and parcel of the project, and we're being told that, you know,

1980
04:48:28,310 --> 04:48:35,150
flight application, go through this whole state process with CDG and I don't know how much

1981
04:48:35,150 --> 04:48:36,430
that's going to cost,

1982
04:48:38,880 --> 04:48:43,560
we keep digging through the files, we're going through laser

1983
04:48:43,560 --> 04:48:49,740
fish and we're going through all these old files, trying to find documents that because

1984
04:48:49,740 --> 04:48:55,880
the state does not have it and my mind keeps telling me it's probably in a file, a hard file

1985
04:48:55,880 --> 04:49:03,760
in steamboat because Jim Trebrillo back in the day with the state of Colorado in the late 90s and early 2000s.

1986
04:49:03,760 --> 04:49:07,880
He had an office in steamboat and we cannot find this thing.

1987
04:49:08,020 --> 04:49:13,820
Anyway, long story short is we may have to go through process.

1988
04:49:14,020 --> 04:49:19,100
We don't know the cost there but just bringing up the speed on where we're at there.

1989
04:49:19,100 --> 04:49:32,080
So, we'll go back with regard to this proposed budget, one third of the budget that's proposed from Tabernace Meadows wastewater and sanitation district.

1990
04:49:32,800 --> 04:49:40,220
We'll get that budget inputted in here, and you'll see it with the preliminary budget determination.

1991
04:49:40,720 --> 04:49:42,860
Is that fair, Michael Curtis?

1992
04:49:42,860 --> 04:49:43,820
Yes.

1993
04:49:44,660 --> 04:49:53,300
So is the issue that nobody has a copy of the original site plan, or is it just this lift

1994
04:49:53,300 --> 04:49:53,760
station?

1995
04:49:53,920 --> 04:49:59,420
I have a site application and an amended site application and an amended site application

1996
04:49:59,420 --> 04:49:59,860
for the voice.

1997
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:08,780
Water treatment plant, but it, it, it only refers to the lift station and there's not a separate site application for the lift station.

1998
04:50:13,160 --> 04:50:15,780
Does there have to be? That was my question.

1999
04:50:18,170 --> 04:50:23,130
Where to it in there? I mean, I guess that's a question. I guess, you know,

2000
04:50:25,460 --> 04:50:36,020
the CDPHE. They're going to require it. Sorry. How long is it going to take to get a permit when they're now doing wetlands? CDH, yes, CDH five years.

2001
04:50:37,480 --> 04:50:40,120
is several years behind in their permitting.

2002
04:50:40,900 --> 04:50:41,740
Oh, I've heard.

2003
04:50:42,740 --> 04:50:45,900
So, a bit soon.

2004
04:50:47,520 --> 04:50:48,640
Well, if we need to.

2005
04:50:50,700 --> 04:50:52,400
Then we take years to answer the questions there.

2006
04:50:52,680 --> 04:50:54,760
I would say, well, Ed Kasai,

2007
04:50:54,840 --> 04:50:56,480
if I would offer a submit, just fill it out.

2008
04:50:57,220 --> 04:50:59,500
So, we're going to figure out what the minimum,

2009
04:51:00,520 --> 04:51:04,720
what we have to do in order to make these repairs

2010
04:51:04,720 --> 04:51:06,560
or replace the pump.

2011
04:51:06,960 --> 04:51:07,180
Right.

2012
04:51:07,180 --> 04:51:09,200
The actual pump in the lift station.

2013
04:51:09,300 --> 04:51:17,580
How come you just don't do it without getting without the payment system maintenance of an existing I would be my argument as well.

2014
04:51:20,420 --> 04:51:34,560
So being that we have an idea with the district that is in the responsibility as operation and maintenance of the wastewater treatment plant and the distribution system election system on behalf of the community.

2015
04:51:36,160 --> 04:51:43,200
know anything that they do or contract for maintenance or repair and upgrades to a lift station

2016
04:51:43,760 --> 04:51:47,920
they have to be on the up and up and make sure that all the

2017
04:51:48,560 --> 04:51:52,720
eyes are dotted tees are crossed so I'm just letting you guys know where we're at.

2018
04:51:53,480 --> 04:51:58,460
And but I also understand if that pump would fail that's a bigger problem than not having the right

2019
04:51:58,460 --> 04:52:05,640
tea. Oh absolutely. That pump fails we're replacing it and we'll deal with the other stuff later.

2020
04:52:06,160 --> 04:52:14,180
Absolutely, yeah the resident that that comment absolutely I agree with that

2021
04:52:16,420 --> 04:52:24,600
no budget invocations to that yet yet or there should be some costs on it

2022
04:52:27,800 --> 04:52:39,040
had the $40,000 in there that's what's in there now and the 40,000 in the budget that we received from the district we do not have that it is not in your encode documents yet.

2023
04:52:39,920 --> 04:52:43,220
We will be adding a lot of.

2024
04:52:43,660 --> 04:52:45,020
I can put that in tonight.

2025
04:52:45,600 --> 04:52:48,220
I think we should put that in there if we know at least that much is correct.

2026
04:52:48,980 --> 04:52:49,740
Thank you, Curtis.

2027
04:52:51,000 --> 04:52:55,620
So this year there was a contingency grant county of 137,000.

2028
04:52:59,250 --> 04:53:01,990
That's the account we use when we pay the estimated.

2029
04:53:03,610 --> 04:53:06,610
Pay one-twelfth of the budget and you zero it out.

2030
04:53:06,990 --> 04:53:10,050
You threw up when they get their audit done each May.

2031
04:53:10,050 --> 04:53:13,230
So they don't have to float us in

2032
04:53:16,270 --> 04:53:23,170
that $40,000 lift station cost will come out of fund balance, right?

2033
04:53:24,250 --> 04:53:31,710
Because that will come out of tap sale proceeds that are to be used for capital.

2034
04:53:32,450 --> 04:53:33,530
Correct, yeah.

2035
04:53:33,830 --> 04:53:36,870
So we won't put that in the contingency.

2036
04:53:38,390 --> 04:53:38,910
Okay.

2037
04:53:41,180 --> 04:53:42,080
Is that it for that one?

2038
04:53:43,160 --> 04:53:43,860
Yes, sir.

2039
04:53:44,720 --> 04:53:44,840
Okay.

2040
04:53:45,300 --> 04:53:45,660
Next.

2041
04:53:46,060 --> 04:53:46,480
Any maintenance?

2042
04:53:46,480 --> 04:53:46,900
Okay.

2043
04:53:47,940 --> 04:53:53,360
So, commissioners, in this budget, we had in there $6,000 for a cinder for the Kubota.

2044
04:53:53,540 --> 04:53:57,020
However, you authorized the purchase of that brand new one that we found online.

2045
04:53:57,500 --> 04:54:00,120
So, we are in the process of doing that in 24.

2046
04:54:00,320 --> 04:54:06,860
So, we can actually remove $6,000 out of their equipment line.

2047
04:54:07,680 --> 04:54:10,000
Actually, I think it was in the non-op or

2048
04:54:13,430 --> 04:54:17,510
no, it would have been an equipment because it was anticipated to be $6,000 right there.

2049
04:54:18,170 --> 04:54:20,070
So, 6,000 can come out of that line.

2050
04:54:22,880 --> 04:54:27,460
Yes. And then the other 65,000 is the skid steer that we're looking to replace.

2051
04:54:27,700 --> 04:54:35,940
We will pursue probably trying to find a used one with low hours, but we don't know exactly what that cost will be just yet.

2052
04:54:38,630 --> 04:54:44,810
or looking at sending this one down to John Deere, to get it, to have them go through it.

2053
04:54:44,870 --> 04:54:48,070
The problem is that then we're without for that length of time.

2054
04:54:48,530 --> 04:54:53,730
Is it preferred for our maintenance team to have a tractor wheeled, excuse me.

2055
04:54:54,970 --> 04:54:59,870
I think it was looking at my fellow commissioners, I can trust.

2056
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:23,660
It's the team to shop for use, but let's budget conservatively as a group of advice to and budget for new and then if they buy used. Great. Okay. You both. Well, I think it is okay because what I'm seeing is that some of this use stuff is pretty expensive as well. It's also hard to find. I mean,

2057
04:55:25,680 --> 04:55:30,960
we just heard from Kristia the day that the trucks were not by or whatever was a great or something.

2058
04:55:30,960 --> 04:55:31,640
the

2059
04:55:35,480 --> 04:55:41,620
uh you got that Kubota last or this year and

2060
04:55:45,780 --> 04:55:54,000
that's been a huge asset to the maintenance team yeah it was new and the

2061
04:55:54,000 --> 04:55:59,580
sander that we just bought is brand new it was sitting on a floor model that somebody purchased and it

2062
04:55:59,580 --> 04:56:04,820
came as a whole unit they didn't need the sander in it those the owners never getting rid of it it was

2063
04:56:04,820 --> 04:56:09,740
sitting up at Rabbit Ears Village, so we're in the process of purchasing that.

2064
04:56:10,440 --> 04:56:15,220
So is the draft budget we have printed out, have a 45,000 in equipment, is that where?

2065
04:56:15,420 --> 04:56:18,460
It has 65,000 in equipment for a skid steer.

2066
04:56:21,640 --> 04:56:25,080
But it's 71 right now, but six is the standard, we're going to pull that out.

2067
04:56:25,500 --> 04:56:25,600
Right.

2068
04:56:27,340 --> 04:56:32,970
And then we're going to increase the skid steer budget of new amount.

2069
04:56:33,450 --> 04:56:35,890
We should be able to get a new one for 65, I think.

2070
04:56:36,910 --> 04:56:52,090
used ones are in that 40, 45 to find one, yeah, if it goes majorly over that we'll obviously come back to you and let you know what that costed the

2071
04:56:52,090 --> 04:56:52,770
I

2072
04:56:56,480 --> 04:57:01,960
can't remember what the cost was okay.

2073
04:57:03,460 --> 04:57:11,340
So that was the big thing in maintenance, we're also, we stuck $2,500 in there for upgrades

2074
04:57:11,340 --> 04:57:17,200
and repairs to the irrigation system around this building and that is about it on that

2075
04:57:17,680 --> 04:57:17,940
budget.

2076
04:57:18,200 --> 04:57:20,500
Other increases are personnel, same as anybody else.

2077
04:57:24,680 --> 04:57:25,200
Any questions?

2078
04:57:34,630 --> 04:57:44,810
I assume that the maintenance people here probably don't use it as hard as road and bridge

2079
04:57:47,150 --> 04:57:49,610
as nature of the work that they're doing here, right?

2080
04:57:50,190 --> 04:57:53,950
So does it make sense to take one from road and bridge and put a new one in?

2081
04:57:54,710 --> 04:58:00,550
Oh, I went down that road, except that I was told that probably the best one at road

2082
04:58:00,550 --> 04:58:03,650
and bridge would still be in worst shape than probably this one is.

2083
04:58:03,930 --> 04:58:08,150
So that's why we opted to go ahead and put a skid steer in the budget, because that's

2084
04:58:08,150 --> 04:58:09,830
how it used to work in way back.

2085
04:58:10,450 --> 04:58:15,710
We would shuffle skid steers around and EMS would get one out of Grand B and maintenance would

2086
04:58:15,710 --> 04:58:20,070
get I think the fairgrounds one and then fairgrounds and cremling have been sharing one.

2087
04:58:20,070 --> 04:58:24,210
So we've played the shuffle game.

2088
04:58:24,370 --> 04:58:25,170
We're going to figure it out.

2089
04:58:25,170 --> 04:58:25,410
Yeah.

2090
04:58:25,990 --> 04:58:32,850
That's speaking of which do they, so the Frazier shop skid steer is that in the budget for next year?

2091
04:58:33,310 --> 04:58:36,870
I think that one is in the budget probably for 26.

2092
04:58:37,410 --> 04:58:39,970
Cremling is getting a skid steer for 25.

2093
04:58:40,610 --> 04:58:42,590
That's the skid steer that's in the rodent bridge budget.

2094
04:58:45,770 --> 04:58:47,510
I shall deal in mind to it once.

2095
04:58:47,810 --> 04:58:47,910
Yes.

2096
04:58:49,170 --> 04:58:49,650
Possibly.

2097
04:58:50,170 --> 04:58:50,610
Potentially.

2098
04:58:50,610 --> 04:58:51,810
Okay,

2099
04:58:54,850 --> 04:59:13,770
commissioners, moving on to the County Manager budget, not a real increase in operating expenses other than in personnel with the addition of an additional position of an assistant County manager in that category.

2100
04:59:16,990 --> 04:59:22,830
There's five FTEs in there, so there will be six FTEs in there.

2101
04:59:23,470 --> 04:59:26,890
Also moving down to other costs,

2102
04:59:29,600 --> 04:59:34,680
one computer under there, is that 2,500 questions in that budget.

2103
04:59:38,630 --> 04:59:48,670
I'm sorry the 10,505 under professional fees tech is that optimize civic optimize to the

2104
04:59:48,670 --> 04:59:58,730
website for form management so our by way of example are our contract routing forms that

2105
04:59:58,730 --> 04:59:59,510
it becomes this.

2106
05:00:04,500 --> 05:00:32,760
Formed function where, you know, a department had fills out, okay, here's the attached cost for this service. Please route it and it automatically goes to, you're going to help me. It has a workflow feature. But that workflow, I mean, specifically for that function is going to be a tremendous help for us. And it's not the full 10,000 in that budget, just $8,900.

2107
05:00:40,720 --> 05:00:47,520
It's just right now in Civic Plus we have Form Center which houses all of our online forms.

2108
05:00:47,840 --> 05:00:52,980
For accessibility purposes we're really working hard to phase out fillable PDS because

2109
05:00:53,480 --> 05:00:58,180
PDS in general are not accessible so to meet that requirement and where optimize comes

2110
05:00:58,180 --> 05:01:05,100
in is it will help with workflow so instead of that manual process of having to email forms

2111
05:01:05,100 --> 05:01:08,780
around and staff track tracking them and seeing where they're at.

2112
05:01:08,960 --> 05:01:12,820
It will automatically bump it from one person to the next throughout the process.

2113
05:01:13,540 --> 05:01:17,320
There is also a component where it could help, for example, community development,

2114
05:01:17,580 --> 05:01:24,000
even with forms that are external to the organization to also help manage that process for planning.

2115
05:01:29,830 --> 05:01:30,990
I think that was good enough.

2116
05:01:31,070 --> 05:01:32,290
No, thank you for saving me.

2117
05:01:33,450 --> 05:01:35,650
Like I had some notes in here about it, too.

2118
05:01:37,860 --> 05:01:38,380
questions.

2119
05:01:42,490 --> 05:01:44,510
Like it's a lot more streamlined doing it that way.

2120
05:01:46,190 --> 05:01:54,590
We'll find the help staff internally as well as our external community and then also, again, that accessibility component.

2121
05:01:57,500 --> 05:02:00,820
Contract routing form. I keep referring to that. It's pretty wonky.

2122
05:02:02,080 --> 05:02:09,770
Oh, in the future. I see that. I think Colorado Revised Statute. So it rests 23401.

2123
05:02:19,500 --> 05:02:22,540
There's CRS dance for something else as well.

2124
05:02:23,760 --> 05:02:25,780
Remember the little signs of the PI?

2125
05:02:30,160 --> 05:02:30,900
Missionary questions.

2126
05:02:33,160 --> 05:02:34,500
I don't think so.

2127
05:02:35,760 --> 05:02:36,360
Anything else?

2128
05:02:43,400 --> 05:02:43,920
Fairgrounds.

2129
05:02:46,560 --> 05:02:48,120
Fairgrounds, we left the Fair Board support.

2130
05:02:48,380 --> 05:02:49,420
The same is $20,000.

2131
05:02:49,520 --> 05:02:51,360
That's what you had directed for 2024.

2132
05:02:52,200 --> 05:02:54,080
So we left that number the same for $25.

2133
05:02:55,200 --> 05:03:00,960
Again, that internet service that's coming in through the old Pepsi building that the

2134
05:03:00,960 --> 05:03:04,720
corner's been paying for, we're splitting that out to those other departments so the

2135
05:03:04,720 --> 05:03:07,200
fairgrounds is going to absorb their portion of that.

2136
05:03:07,640 --> 05:03:13,760
We do have $10,000 in there for Arena rehab for the purchase of Arena sand.

2137
05:03:14,360 --> 05:03:19,160
We've been using up the sandpile that Roden Bridge had in one of their gravel pits.

2138
05:03:19,160 --> 05:03:24,060
We finished that all off this fall, so there is no more sand material available.

2139
05:03:24,380 --> 05:03:28,960
So if we need to add sand to the fairgrounds arena or the beef arena over there,

2140
05:03:29,060 --> 05:03:31,220
we would need to purchase additional material.

2141
05:03:31,780 --> 05:03:35,820
And then as you heard from Brianna in the CSU extension hearing,

2142
05:03:36,220 --> 05:03:43,460
we are requesting an additional fair coordinator position to help with a lot of different things

2143
05:03:43,460 --> 05:03:47,880
to be that liaison person with the fairboard and the extension office

2144
05:03:47,880 --> 05:03:53,080
this and the 4-H piece and try to help streamline some of that.

2145
05:03:53,600 --> 05:03:59,440
There's a lot of additional hours that go in for fair as I'm sure you're aware and

2146
05:03:59,440 --> 05:04:03,080
the overtime that the extension office is putting in and just the hours that our fair

2147
05:04:03,080 --> 05:04:05,900
board members are putting in, it's a lot.

2148
05:04:06,820 --> 05:04:07,420
It's a lot.

2149
05:04:07,960 --> 05:04:14,800
So we are asking for a position, we've been working on a job description, we can certainly

2150
05:04:14,800 --> 05:04:16,700
get that to you to take a look at.

2151
05:04:16,700 --> 05:04:21,260
But it's kind of anything related to fair.

2152
05:04:21,820 --> 05:04:27,160
So helping with the 4-H coordinator side of things, helping with the fair board side

2153
05:04:27,160 --> 05:04:31,700
of things, what I would envision is this person would be that liaison with the fair board

2154
05:04:31,700 --> 05:04:33,720
and doing all of that boots on the ground.

2155
05:04:34,480 --> 05:04:40,080
Work for them and the fair board could then come more higher level to make decisions instead

2156
05:04:40,080 --> 05:04:45,960
of being the ones down in the weeds on $10 award items or, you know, different things

2157
05:04:45,960 --> 05:04:53,520
like that, help them with their bookkeeping, contract routing, all kinds of things.

2158
05:04:54,360 --> 05:04:59,860
We had a part-time position back for our hundredth anniversary of the

2159
05:05:00,240 --> 05:05:12,200
Councillor, on the fair board then. Phil, committee, but it was very beneficial. We've heard that.

2160
05:05:12,580 --> 05:05:14,340
Off the county's under the fair's under it.

2161
05:05:17,880 --> 05:05:20,900
Sorry, our hundredth anniversary is there in

2162
05:05:20,900 --> 05:05:28,080
rodeo. 250 years ago. I know. And she was, no, one of you run on the board.

2163
05:05:31,220 --> 05:05:32,320
I got

2164
05:05:32,320 --> 05:05:38,400
it sorted. I got a big help. My friend. With that position, I think it's a smart thing to

2165
05:05:38,400 --> 05:05:44,480
do. I see very exhausted people every year. That's a lot to help. Yeah. I'm good.

2166
05:05:48,120 --> 05:05:48,440
But it's not

2167
05:05:48,440 --> 05:05:57,020
That's not just during the fair, but it sounds like it's going to relieve Micah from some of her, is that right?

2168
05:05:58,380 --> 05:06:04,760
Potentially, because that person would be responsible for going to the fair board meetings, which we have one tonight at 6.30 here in this room, for anybody who's interested.

2169
05:06:07,390 --> 05:06:08,850
We have any more applications?

2170
05:06:10,690 --> 05:06:11,130
Yeah.

2171
05:06:11,590 --> 05:06:12,650
Two positions?

2172
05:06:13,210 --> 05:06:17,640
We still have three positions open.

2173
05:06:17,840 --> 05:06:19,380
I don't know. It disappeared. It's gone.

2174
05:06:19,380 --> 05:06:20,100
Okay.

2175
05:06:22,890 --> 05:06:28,070
I know. I don't know what happened. Where are we going now?

2176
05:06:29,630 --> 05:06:32,990
Next would be flying heels. We're having a difficulty with one note.

2177
05:06:37,980 --> 05:06:39,440
Is that portion of the training?

2178
05:06:42,540 --> 05:06:44,300
Hey, it's back.

2179
05:06:45,260 --> 05:06:46,980
Oh, we're up to flying heels. I don't see.

2180
05:06:48,900 --> 05:06:53,440
So other items under fairgrounds, I'm just making sure we capture all these.

2181
05:06:53,800 --> 05:06:54,460
We're on flying heels.

2182
05:06:56,800 --> 05:06:58,460
You already talked about that split.

2183
05:06:58,460 --> 05:07:02,300
Thanks about the split, the arena rehab, the internet.

2184
05:07:03,920 --> 05:07:05,580
Fair board support stays the same.

2185
05:07:07,960 --> 05:07:09,000
I think we're on to flying heels.

2186
05:07:09,260 --> 05:07:09,400
Okay.

2187
05:07:10,220 --> 05:07:11,600
equipment 5 grand.

2188
05:07:14,160 --> 05:07:21,220
So in flying heels, the biggest thing that you'll see in there is we did budget $100

2189
05:07:23,230 --> 05:07:24,910
,000 per site improvements.

2190
05:07:24,910 --> 05:07:26,370
That's for electrical work.

2191
05:07:26,870 --> 05:07:31,890
So there was a grant from several years ago for a concession building that flying heels.

2192
05:07:31,890 --> 05:07:35,030
We've not been able to build that building yet.

2193
05:07:35,290 --> 05:07:38,770
We did have a community meeting back in the spring or at least spring.

2194
05:07:39,530 --> 05:07:44,550
The first step in doing anything out there would be upgrading the electrical to the facility.

2195
05:07:45,790 --> 05:07:51,230
So without doing that, it would be hard to put a building out there if we don't have the electrical to support it.

2196
05:07:52,410 --> 05:07:59,350
Yeah, and that cost is roughly 35,000, so into a one quote.

2197
05:07:59,350 --> 05:08:00,350
Correct.

2198
05:08:00,530 --> 05:08:01,150
I'd like to collaborate.

2199
05:08:02,410 --> 05:08:10,150
Total, it's 100,000 including wiring the building and there was another, apparently this

2200
05:08:10,150 --> 05:08:17,630
electrician was asked to put new power to future RV sites, which we don't know anything

2201
05:08:17,630 --> 05:08:20,370
about or have not had a conversation about.

2202
05:08:20,370 --> 05:08:39,230
but the cost of a new 400 amp service refeeding the existing light poles and new power to vendor slots is approximately 35,000 and at that meeting, I think you were in attendance.

2203
05:08:40,170 --> 05:08:46,870
One of the electricians said it would probably be around $100,000 of cost.

2204
05:08:49,680 --> 05:08:55,820
but we're seeing 35 of that as being necessary in order to build that new.

2205
05:08:57,300 --> 05:09:02,300
Sure, but why wouldn't we budget for the entire project because it's all going to need to be done.

2206
05:09:05,700 --> 05:09:08,680
Wouldn't it be cheaper to get them all done while they're out there working on it?

2207
05:09:11,960 --> 05:09:12,360
Yes,

2208
05:09:15,110 --> 05:09:23,370
we could also, there could also be an option of what we were previously going to ask the commissioners if they were

2209
05:09:23,370 --> 05:09:34,970
We're willing to try to get that $35,000 never done out of this year, but that would be a supplemental.

2210
05:09:36,370 --> 05:09:43,950
Or like you just said, we could also just budget for it and try to do it all in one fell swoop.

2211
05:09:46,220 --> 05:09:55,960
I'm actually very supportive of the idea of, say, a overbuilding now, and then you're good for 20 years.

2212
05:09:56,860 --> 05:09:59,900
from an out and incrementally it just tends to make sense

2213
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:29,980
I'd like to do that. And you guys may not be completely aligned with me, but I'm okay with potential of future RV. I'd love the fair of the rodeo participants to have a wonderful experience and repeatedly come back to Grand County year after year. And man, you know what, if we put electricity there, that the audience members can come and charge your electric cars. That's another thing that could be wired. Not only not the whole thing, but the power there from MPE.

2214
05:10:34,500 --> 05:10:35,200
I

2215
05:10:38,850 --> 05:10:45,110
think if we're going to work on the facility, especially electrical hazards,

2216
05:10:48,240 --> 05:10:49,540
whether

2217
05:10:54,120 --> 05:10:54,980
we are

2218
05:10:59,620 --> 05:11:03,860
RVs, but at least have that capability pension,

2219
05:11:06,360 --> 05:11:07,200
that's a possibility.

2220
05:11:14,100 --> 05:11:20,560
The other piece of this that I wanted to touch on is we have very little revenue shown

2221
05:11:20,560 --> 05:11:27,060
there and putting out RFP

2222
05:11:31,700 --> 05:11:36,400
if there's somebody. I asked to run cover

2223
05:11:46,380 --> 05:11:47,860
the cost and the equipment

2224
05:11:47,860 --> 05:11:51,520
and there's a lot that happens not

2225
05:11:55,680 --> 05:11:58,900
be the exact time to answer that question but throw it out there.

2226
05:12:00,120 --> 05:12:06,880
What the conversation and I think it's probably more of a policy question because per policy non-profits

2227
05:12:06,880 --> 05:12:08,720
If it's don't pay policy,

2228
05:12:15,290 --> 05:12:18,010
there he is about and

2229
05:12:23,420 --> 05:12:36,380
the $225,000, I think that's what it was for building that is at the grant money, so that's just kind of been carried over and sits there until it gets used.

2230
05:12:37,740 --> 05:12:43,100
I think so the bottom line for these guys is to up that money for the electric.

2231
05:12:44,480 --> 05:12:45,780
It's in there now.

2232
05:12:46,060 --> 05:12:50,600
It's in there at 100,000 right now as well as the 225 for

2233
05:12:50,600 --> 05:12:50,980
concession.

2234
05:12:53,120 --> 05:12:56,620
Because we were talking about taking it to 35, but I think we leave it in there.

2235
05:12:58,600 --> 05:12:59,980
It's within the 100.

2236
05:13:00,820 --> 05:13:01,520
Okay, leave it in there.

2237
05:13:03,080 --> 05:13:03,660
Hey, what's next?

2238
05:13:05,620 --> 05:13:08,140
Any other questions about flying heels?

2239
05:13:08,140 --> 05:13:18,680
and I didn't mean to ignore your comment, Commissioner George, I was just taking it in and thinking.

2240
05:13:19,420 --> 05:13:23,640
And we will continue those conversations.

2241
05:13:26,950 --> 05:13:31,010
Because there's a fair amount of expense associated with this.

2242
05:13:31,490 --> 05:13:34,170
It's a tremendous amount of.

2243
05:13:35,130 --> 05:13:40,010
It does not include wear and tear on the road and bridge equipment,

2244
05:13:42,320 --> 05:13:45,360
it occurs because it's used there, so.

2245
05:13:52,220 --> 05:14:05,300
Where does that stuff show up that if there's wear and tear or repairs on road and bridge equipment is directly related to use at flying heels, where does that show up in the budget?

2246
05:14:05,300 --> 05:14:20,740
that it does not, other than the costs of repairs are on the county side of this and we're making those, any of those repairs and, yeah, it's all absorbed by the county.

2247
05:14:21,180 --> 05:14:32,720
But all that's in here is like $700 and $500 for a repair and maintenance of equipment and repair and maintenance vehicle.

2248
05:14:32,720 --> 05:14:36,700
So not, it doesn't really reflect the true cost.

2249
05:14:37,500 --> 05:14:44,900
So the actual cost in 23, that 17704, my guess is that's the water truck.

2250
05:14:48,740 --> 05:14:52,740
And then we also had, I believe, a rear differential in there.

2251
05:14:55,880 --> 05:14:59,960
1303 this year under equipment is probably

2252
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:22,220
Probably the placement, teeth, and- I don't know if that's been changed on the brand new drug. I don't know that that's been taken. But we haven't been budgeting for it. That's what I'm saying. It shows as an expense. Minimals for it. So maybe we should add some money for a budget.

2253
05:15:32,280 --> 05:15:40,320
Good point, but it's a relatively small dollar amount, and it's worth counting the allocation if it's okay with you both.

2254
05:15:40,320 --> 05:15:41,700
Okay,

2255
05:15:44,200 --> 05:15:45,620
moving on, let's move on.

2256
05:15:45,880 --> 05:15:47,780
Grand County Mitchell Diction Reservoir Company,

2257
05:15:48,560 --> 05:15:52,580
our annual assessment is remaining the same at 6700.

2258
05:15:54,560 --> 05:16:01,280
Moving on to intern ships, we actually increased that amount a bit.

2259
05:16:06,880 --> 05:16:11,200
Oops of having additional interns, and keeping that program turned on.

2260
05:16:11,200 --> 05:16:23,860
We have had with regard to the quote unquote senior internship, that's just have one person still in that category?

2261
05:16:26,760 --> 05:16:29,440
I believe we have three.

2262
05:16:30,660 --> 05:16:41,300
In any case, this internship has been very beneficial even from high school to college students,

2263
05:16:41,300 --> 05:16:47,740
to senior interns, beneficial to departments.

2264
05:16:49,260 --> 05:16:56,000
I agree, and is it possible to make even more attractive with hourly wage currently?

2265
05:16:56,720 --> 05:17:08,220
It varies, and I think we've been sort of looking at those on a case-by-case basis based on if it's a master student or

2266
05:17:08,220 --> 05:17:11,200
versus someone with experience in this.

2267
05:17:12,120 --> 05:17:14,120
So it's kind of been across the board,

2268
05:17:14,780 --> 05:17:19,380
but at the same time, we have to be very cognizant

2269
05:17:19,380 --> 05:17:23,660
of some of our existing jobs as well,

2270
05:17:23,800 --> 05:17:25,100
and that is hourly rates.

2271
05:17:25,880 --> 05:17:29,020
But it has been a little challenging,

2272
05:17:29,200 --> 05:17:31,040
but we've done it case by case basis.

2273
05:17:31,840 --> 05:17:36,860
I agree, we don't cannot surpass our full timers.

2274
05:17:36,860 --> 05:17:45,140
I just kind of assume maybe these were considerably lower than, but if they're kind of there than they're there, that's as far as we can go.

2275
05:17:45,720 --> 05:17:46,400
Thank you.

2276
05:17:46,860 --> 05:17:49,320
Yeah, great program, I support that budget, just fine.

2277
05:17:51,530 --> 05:17:51,990
We're good.

2278
05:17:52,810 --> 05:17:53,450
My good.

2279
05:17:55,460 --> 05:18:03,920
Judicial is fairly static, no big changes from 24 to 23 or from whatever year we're going into, 24 to 25.

2280
05:18:03,920 --> 05:18:21,820
I think the big one is, you know, from, when you looked at judicial as well as county maintenance budget for years, we were carrying that replace the concrete curves, replace the concrete curves, Curtis was like, well, you're going to do it this year.

2281
05:18:23,880 --> 05:18:27,100
Yes, please do it for that. We would like to do it this year.

2282
05:18:27,100 --> 05:18:29,700
Have you noticed the concrete?

2283
05:18:30,400 --> 05:18:31,600
How long does the orange come in?

2284
05:18:31,700 --> 05:18:32,160
It's about there.

2285
05:18:33,200 --> 05:18:34,640
I don't know how long it takes for that to cure.

2286
05:18:34,940 --> 05:18:35,100
Okay.

2287
05:18:35,600 --> 05:18:35,980
A couple of years.

2288
05:18:37,180 --> 05:18:37,840
We're going to leave it there.

2289
05:18:37,940 --> 05:18:38,360
You're around.

2290
05:18:39,300 --> 05:18:39,780
We don't want to.

2291
05:18:39,940 --> 05:18:40,240
Reminder.

2292
05:18:40,780 --> 05:18:44,100
We don't want anyone damaging our new concrete.

2293
05:18:44,600 --> 05:18:46,200
But very successful.

2294
05:18:48,720 --> 05:18:51,060
They mud jacked this sidewalk out here.

2295
05:18:51,140 --> 05:18:52,060
I don't know if you noticed.

2296
05:18:52,840 --> 05:18:56,360
To get that thing raised up with the curb in it floats.

2297
05:18:56,360 --> 05:19:04,700
So it's because it's a heated sidewalk, it moves up and down during the winter into summer.

2298
05:19:04,900 --> 05:19:10,500
But they did munchack that, they replaced all the curb down here, didn't replace it with

2299
05:19:10,500 --> 05:19:14,180
gutter, but it looks really, really good.

2300
05:19:14,280 --> 05:19:19,840
And I think they're still not sure how much longer or how much more they have to repair, but

2301
05:19:19,840 --> 05:19:20,620
it looks really good.

2302
05:19:20,620 --> 05:19:27,560
So that's that $100,000 difference in repair and maintenance.

2303
05:19:29,100 --> 05:19:30,600
We're site improvements.

2304
05:19:31,060 --> 05:19:34,940
The repair maintenance building has decreased quite a bit, right?

2305
05:19:35,680 --> 05:19:36,610
And that is-

2306
05:19:38,080 --> 05:19:45,660
So that 143,000 that was in there for last year was the HVAC control upgrades for the judicial building.

2307
05:19:46,040 --> 05:19:49,620
We actually started it in the fall of 23 paid-

2308
05:19:49,620 --> 05:19:51,880
There's a separate line item for HVAC.

2309
05:19:52,820 --> 05:19:55,440
Right, so that is for the annual service.

2310
05:19:56,000 --> 05:19:56,220
Okay.

2311
05:19:56,340 --> 05:19:59,300
So we pay them quarterly for the annual, for the...

2312
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:23,920
Their regular services that they provide as part of their contract, and then anything above and beyond that comes out of those other line items. All right. Thank you. So yeah, the 64,000 that was in 2023, and then the 100,000 that was in 24 is all part of that controls upgrade. 7,000 and building improvements next year.

2313
05:20:34,110 --> 05:20:40,670
Force floor ceiling, trying to get those concrete floors resealed. I don't know if we found a vendor.

2314
05:20:40,670 --> 05:20:45,930
just moving down the road, something that we used to carry in the budget and

2315
05:20:47,170 --> 05:20:51,650
trying to anticipate in our capital budget, I believe we put that in a five year capital

2316
05:20:51,650 --> 05:20:59,250
Curtis's carpet and that goes for carpet tiles in this building as well as that other building and they're expensive.

2317
05:21:09,630 --> 05:21:19,370
So these costs in the future to replace carpet tiles in both buildings, I mean they're in the 30,000 plus range for

2318
05:21:19,370 --> 05:21:28,330
each building. For years we've been, you know, like a one that's worn down and we'll replace

2319
05:21:28,330 --> 05:21:35,570
it with one that's not, because this pattern, I don't know. It's discontinued.

2320
05:21:35,790 --> 05:21:41,090
A few boxes and it's discontinued. You can't find a match, so about every week. Yeah.

2321
05:21:41,090 --> 05:21:43,010
Oh, that's the scam.

2322
05:21:46,730 --> 05:21:50,630
So, yes, by 10 years worth when you buy the first one.

2323
05:21:51,870 --> 05:21:55,490
Those are going to be some pretty significant costs.

2324
05:21:55,990 --> 05:21:57,750
And we have them in the five-year capital.

2325
05:21:58,330 --> 05:22:03,350
We've just been delaying because the life is okay.

2326
05:22:03,350 --> 05:22:03,450
Okay,

2327
05:22:06,130 --> 05:22:11,830
and that's going to be like 65, 70 grand is what I'm thinking in both of them.

2328
05:22:12,450 --> 05:22:17,870
I'm going to purchase enough material that we can do that and then have placement tiles

2329
05:22:17,870 --> 05:22:19,190
for a number of years, so,

2330
05:22:23,140 --> 05:22:23,460
okay,

2331
05:22:26,890 --> 05:22:27,230
I'm filled.

2332
05:22:29,920 --> 05:22:34,200
We have a pretty big project at the point I'm filled this year and

2333
05:22:36,440 --> 05:22:43,440
installation of that

2334
05:22:43,440 --> 05:22:46,740
to the CDPHE approval going in there.

2335
05:22:46,940 --> 05:22:49,620
So that's the big repair and maintenance of site

2336
05:22:49,620 --> 05:22:57,140
at 425,000 and then the other $135,000 worth of contracts,

2337
05:22:57,300 --> 05:23:02,220
including SMA's normal contract plus additional contract

2338
05:23:02,220 --> 05:23:04,340
for this particular project.

2339
05:23:05,080 --> 05:23:05,360
What do I do?

2340
05:23:07,560 --> 05:23:09,620
But Roden Bridge is also working on a grant.

2341
05:23:10,540 --> 05:23:11,400
Oh, yes, sorry.

2342
05:23:11,400 --> 05:23:21,260
That is, as you're aware, commissioners, that state grant revenue of $545,000

2343
05:23:21,260 --> 05:23:26,800
will offset the line share of those costs for that project, which is tremendous news.

2344
05:23:27,160 --> 05:23:31,740
So that's, that grant is for sure here, it's approved, we just, we have the money.

2345
05:23:32,580 --> 05:23:34,740
I think there's still in the application phase.

2346
05:23:34,740 --> 05:23:43,580
I'm still applying for it, but there has been, I think, several discussions until we're receiving that grant, yes.

2347
05:23:43,760 --> 05:23:46,660
It's part of why the installation didn't happen this year.

2348
05:23:47,100 --> 05:23:50,960
We were encouraged to hold off a year to get that grant revenue.

2349
05:23:51,140 --> 05:23:56,380
Okay, you're confident that budgeting for this number and we're going to do that.

2350
05:23:56,860 --> 05:23:59,540
You're optimistically confident.

2351
05:24:00,360 --> 05:24:00,960
It's

2352
05:24:04,600 --> 05:24:06,200
better than costlessly optimising.

2353
05:24:06,200 --> 05:24:06,400
Right.

2354
05:24:08,200 --> 05:24:11,860
All right, I just didn't want to budget a grant money in there that we haven't even really

2355
05:24:11,860 --> 05:24:12,480
apply for yet.

2356
05:24:13,360 --> 05:24:13,420
But.

2357
05:24:15,920 --> 05:24:16,280
Okay.

2358
05:24:16,620 --> 05:24:18,260
Little park fair and rodeo.

2359
05:24:18,520 --> 05:24:19,080
Hey.

2360
05:24:25,590 --> 05:24:26,150
Okay.

2361
05:24:26,590 --> 05:24:32,270
Again, trying to budget these revenues and expenditures based on actuals from the past couple

2362
05:24:32,270 --> 05:24:32,590
years.

2363
05:24:32,930 --> 05:24:41,950
So we left revenues at $100,000 and expenses at 95,000, which is running fairly current with

2364
05:24:41,950 --> 05:24:43,970
what's the actuals for 2024.

2365
05:24:43,970 --> 05:24:44,970
any

2366
05:24:52,330 --> 05:24:53,150
questions on fare.

2367
05:25:00,910 --> 05:25:01,910
Hold on, hold on.

2368
05:25:06,410 --> 05:25:10,490
The Kentucky Derby Party, we didn't spend close to the budget.

2369
05:25:13,080 --> 05:25:19,460
And I don't know if they've decided yet exactly what they're going to do in 25 for that.

2370
05:25:24,070 --> 05:25:40,390
No, and I don't know. Alina helps the fair board with getting their expenditures and stuff into QuickBooks. I'm assuming that that number is up to date. So yeah, it didn't make a ton of money, either. So you're good to leave it.

2371
05:25:40,390 --> 05:25:41,350
I'm

2372
05:25:43,940 --> 05:25:52,100
good to show an $18,000 drop between last year's budget and this coming year's or this year's budget and next year's budget on the middle park fair expenses.

2373
05:25:55,380 --> 05:25:55,900
Yes,

2374
05:25:59,870 --> 05:26:01,830
I'm good to leave it.

2375
05:26:09,600 --> 05:26:16,360
And actually Curtis, my note showed that those were supposed to be $125 for revenue from

2376
05:26:19,120 --> 05:26:21,780
our

2377
05:26:26,670 --> 05:26:27,270
budget meetings.

2378
05:26:35,910 --> 05:26:39,990
I think that's what we ended up doing on the fair board's budget.

2379
05:26:39,990 --> 05:26:41,010
I

2380
05:26:49,100 --> 05:26:58,520
know show that we had plugged in 125 for each, but I think usually we do 100 and we keep the expenses about 5 less than the revenue.

2381
05:27:06,430 --> 05:27:07,370
Where we did 160.

2382
05:27:07,690 --> 05:27:20,350
Which we did not have a fair board to create a budget this year so we plugged in numbers and then did their budget to match our numbers is the way that ended up working.

2383
05:27:20,490 --> 05:27:21,830
What does the expenses need to be?

2384
05:27:21,830 --> 05:27:22,930
I would

2385
05:27:27,120 --> 05:27:32,200
put him at $120, so revenue at $125 total and then expenses at $120,

2386
05:27:42,530 --> 05:27:43,370
yes.

2387
05:28:06,420 --> 05:28:12,660
The demolition derby, there was some talk that that's going to get resurrected this year, but we didn't budget anything for it.

2388
05:28:13,020 --> 05:28:18,960
Because it's the chamber, the crumbling chamber that's going to do it, it won't be the fair board that's putting it on.

2389
05:28:19,040 --> 05:28:20,960
Okay, so that's good to be serious, that's it.

2390
05:28:21,060 --> 05:28:22,660
But the chamber has been working on that.

2391
05:28:23,180 --> 05:28:23,580
Okay,

2392
05:28:30,570 --> 05:28:31,290
we're good on that one, Curtis?

2393
05:28:31,870 --> 05:28:32,270
Yes, sir.

2394
05:28:32,270 --> 05:28:33,050
Okay.

2395
05:28:33,650 --> 05:28:34,410
That's good.

2396
05:28:35,430 --> 05:28:36,210
We're good.

2397
05:28:36,590 --> 05:28:36,990
Okay.

2398
05:28:37,870 --> 05:28:38,270
Motorpool.

2399
05:28:38,570 --> 05:28:39,070
Motorpool.

2400
05:28:39,190 --> 05:28:41,030
We were budgeting for one vehicle.

2401
05:28:41,730 --> 05:28:48,190
State bid currently is at $25,000 but as we learned in the purchasing process for this

2402
05:28:48,190 --> 05:28:53,930
year, dealerships were only allotted so many state bid and once they've spent those, they

2403
05:28:53,930 --> 05:28:56,530
don't have any more state bid vehicles.

2404
05:28:56,710 --> 05:29:00,170
So we ended up spending more than state bid for the 24 vehicles.

2405
05:29:00,570 --> 05:29:13,150
So we did budget 35,000, even though State Bid is currently 25 to give us some kind of a buffer because we just don't know what's going to happen over the next few months and whether they'll still have State Bid vehicles available to them.

2406
05:29:16,180 --> 05:29:17,200
Are we on the list?

2407
05:29:19,100 --> 05:29:20,060
Not yet.

2408
05:29:26,010 --> 05:29:26,490
I

2409
05:29:28,570 --> 05:29:32,390
guess that's the same question as on the list because you said there only a lot it's

2410
05:29:32,390 --> 05:29:32,770
so many.

2411
05:29:33,110 --> 05:29:33,310
Correct.

2412
05:29:34,630 --> 05:29:40,570
And I would have to, Zach at Ribbon Bridge stays up better on when those windows are as

2413
05:29:40,570 --> 05:29:43,430
well because then that was the other thing that we learned as they have those ordering

2414
05:29:43,430 --> 05:29:43,910
windows.

2415
05:29:44,710 --> 05:29:50,070
I don't know when the window to order these particular vehicles for 2025 would open.

2416
05:29:50,070 --> 05:29:57,390
I believe last year it was early spring and we, but even at that they were gone in no time.

2417
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:00,700
The rich has a comment.

2418
05:30:08,350 --> 05:30:30,950
So just last comment on this and we're moving one of the motorpool vehicles out, and we'll two of them. But one of the explorers will likely go to CSU extension. We did not plug in replacing that and may come back with you to request an additional vehicle on top of the one that is being requested here.

2419
05:30:33,540 --> 05:30:37,500
So on that note, we probably need to stop here.

2420
05:30:38,040 --> 05:30:45,380
and go with our scheduled agenda item because they are here ready to go and that

2421
05:30:45,380 --> 05:30:50,960
would be the housing authority. Oh, Gina. Good afternoon.

2422
05:30:51,400 --> 05:31:07,440
Gina, Darlan, Director of Grand County Housing Authority and I will let, I don't know if anybody else is coming up for a cliffhue, but I'm going to, if we, you guys don't mind, I'd like to do 19 C first cliffhue so they don't have to sit through the rest of my budgets, so I will move aside and let cliffhues come up and then they can

2423
05:31:07,440 --> 05:31:09,040
and introduce themselves and start with Clifu.

2424
05:31:11,180 --> 05:31:11,700
Okay.

2425
05:31:15,130 --> 05:31:16,210
Are you okay with that?

2426
05:31:16,330 --> 05:31:16,990
Unless you want to come?

2427
05:31:17,330 --> 05:31:17,590
Sure.

2428
05:31:17,830 --> 05:31:17,990
Okay.

2429
05:31:19,050 --> 05:31:22,370
I'm Becca Norman, analyst with the finance team

2430
05:31:22,370 --> 05:31:24,850
at Middle Park Health, and I'll walk through

2431
05:31:24,850 --> 05:31:25,930
the Clifu budget.

2432
05:31:26,410 --> 05:31:26,650
My

2433
05:31:29,440 --> 05:31:32,020
name's Carrie Silke, and I'm the director of Clifu.

2434
05:31:37,750 --> 05:31:37,990
All right.

2435
05:31:38,610 --> 05:31:39,130
I'm in today.

2436
05:31:42,010 --> 05:31:43,770
So I'll jump in with the revenues.

2437
05:31:44,230 --> 05:31:48,230
We estimated what our anticipated contractual adjustments

2438
05:31:48,230 --> 05:31:54,010
residents are for our Medicaid residents and then took into consideration our self-paid

2439
05:31:54,010 --> 05:31:58,370
residents from kind of historical the past 12 months of data that we had.

2440
05:31:58,830 --> 05:32:02,430
We also use that data to determine what our vacancy rate has been.

2441
05:32:03,010 --> 05:32:06,730
Carrie shared this morning actually that our weightless keeps growing, which is great.

2442
05:32:06,950 --> 05:32:15,390
So we're hoping that vacancy rate continues to improve, but it puts us at about 506,000

2443
05:32:15,390 --> 05:32:19,890
the Medicaid net revenue in 517,000 in self-pay revenue.

2444
05:32:20,870 --> 05:32:26,730
The total revenue includes the county support of 813,000,

2445
05:32:26,890 --> 05:32:31,950
which the county helped provide that number based on potential deficits from the budget,

2446
05:32:32,230 --> 05:32:34,370
putting total revenues at 1.8 million.

2447
05:32:35,770 --> 05:32:41,330
This also includes a 3% increase on our room rates for

2448
05:32:41,330 --> 05:32:45,950
our residents and cliff you as well to go into effect on January 1st.

2449
05:32:48,010 --> 05:32:53,650
Expenses, we are seeing an increase in our overall personnel services.

2450
05:32:54,090 --> 05:32:58,710
We struggled a little bit with staffing throughout the year, but that has been improving.

2451
05:32:58,710 --> 05:33:05,490
We actually just filled two of the four vacant positions that we had in September, which is great.

2452
05:33:06,550 --> 05:33:11,850
We also have continued to improve our benefits offerings throughout the years.

2453
05:33:11,850 --> 05:33:18,470
There's a last year we implemented a housing stipend across all of middle park health which extends to click new employees as well.

2454
05:33:18,910 --> 05:33:24,450
Which has been a really helpful tool for us, for recruitment and retention of our team.

2455
05:33:25,570 --> 05:33:33,410
That don't mind the interruptions, is that housing stipend able to be distributed pre-tax or?

2456
05:33:34,070 --> 05:33:35,290
No, unfortunately not.

2457
05:33:35,930 --> 05:33:38,790
Yeah, we could figure that out, we could all be doing it.

2458
05:33:40,030 --> 05:33:42,830
That would be great, we would like that as well.

2459
05:33:45,070 --> 05:33:52,950
Jumping into marketing expenses, or total expenses, marketing, we kind of have pretty flat to what we've seen historically.

2460
05:33:53,390 --> 05:33:58,770
Again, that's just promotion to fill up rooms and other promotions for

2461
05:33:58,770 --> 05:34:02,150
Clefew to kind of get residents in, show what our services are.

2462
05:34:02,390 --> 05:34:05,330
Recruitment fees can go in there as well for staffing.

2463
05:34:05,330 --> 05:34:10,110
The management fee is calculated out as a percentage of net revenue per the contract.

2464
05:34:10,530 --> 05:34:15,730
So that's based on the budgeted net revenue, I'm going to kind of skip around.

2465
05:34:15,870 --> 05:34:20,550
I don't know that you want every single line item, but if I skip something that you do want, just let me know.

2466
05:34:22,190 --> 05:34:25,110
One that I do want to call out is utilities.

2467
05:34:25,770 --> 05:34:33,890
Sheena helped notify us and we had heard murmurings of this that the water bill is going to significantly increase in Kremlin.

2468
05:34:33,890 --> 05:34:38,990
So we budgeted for about 150% increase over last year in the water bill.

2469
05:34:39,810 --> 05:34:45,750
We also anticipate potential increases in gas and electric, just knowing other utilities are going up.

2470
05:34:45,750 --> 05:34:52,290
So we tried to budget, hopefully generously, at a minimum realistically in those areas.

2471
05:34:52,290 --> 05:34:59,790
the county helped provide data on our principle and

2472
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:29,980
interest expense and kind of jumping into the capital outlay section. We do have some minor equipment, so smaller items in addition to some capital items budgeted here. I know this is a big one. So we have a little bit for dietary minor equipment that includes like pots, pans, tablecloths, things like that. A few different cleaning supplies that are needed. The big dollar items is the boiler replacement for 125,000.

2473
05:35:29,980 --> 05:35:39,120
new flooring for resident rooms at 27,600, window replacements at 44,000 and sidewalk repair.

2474
05:35:39,380 --> 05:35:43,240
So those are the major capital items that we are proposing for 2025.

2475
05:35:46,100 --> 05:35:48,740
And that's kind of all I have.

2476
05:35:48,880 --> 05:35:49,920
I have a lot more detail.

2477
05:35:50,180 --> 05:35:54,600
So let me know if anything stood out to you that you want additional information on.

2478
05:36:00,990 --> 05:36:07,410
I'll just say that I appreciate that, you know, to go back in history, the previous

2479
05:36:07,410 --> 05:36:15,870
operator really turned course on us unexpectedly and abruptly and I think you guys in my opinion

2480
05:36:15,870 --> 05:36:26,070
were the only option to take over the running and Mr. Flake stepped up and residents stayed

2481
05:36:26,070 --> 05:36:29,570
in there and it's been good and we've been through so much with China you know

2482
05:36:29,570 --> 05:36:41,470
really managing it all, repairs, maintenance, moving, resettling, it's been a lot

2483
05:36:41,470 --> 05:36:44,710
and you guys are very responsive and China has a lot of positive things about

2484
05:36:44,710 --> 05:36:49,790
the operation that you guys are doing kind of wanted to say thanks. I don't have

2485
05:36:49,790 --> 05:36:54,350
any questions I just wanted to kind of voice you know the the running of this

2486
05:36:54,350 --> 05:36:55,710
so this is really top notch.

2487
05:36:55,850 --> 05:36:59,850
We need to really figure out if possible,

2488
05:37:00,070 --> 05:37:03,290
some ways to get more efficient.

2489
05:37:03,970 --> 05:37:06,410
If you guys are able to come up with ideas,

2490
05:37:06,410 --> 05:37:08,730
really welcome those by Noxina consistently.

2491
05:37:09,370 --> 05:37:10,030
Ask you guys for that.

2492
05:37:10,290 --> 05:37:11,550
So that's a surprise, I'm sure.

2493
05:37:12,550 --> 05:37:14,730
So thank you very much, Jason, your team.

2494
05:37:15,570 --> 05:37:19,970
And, you know, you guys are big medical operation

2495
05:37:19,970 --> 05:37:22,570
countywide in this 18,000 square mile county.

2496
05:37:22,570 --> 05:37:26,870
and she is the best, so thank you.

2497
05:37:28,390 --> 05:37:29,070
Thank you.

2498
05:37:29,610 --> 05:37:30,290
Yep, I agree.

2499
05:37:31,170 --> 05:37:34,770
It's a well-run service for our residents

2500
05:37:34,770 --> 05:37:37,310
that need this kind of service, so appreciate what you do.

2501
05:37:39,680 --> 05:37:40,440
Christopher George, anything?

2502
05:37:41,680 --> 05:37:44,700
The only other comment that I would make is it appears

2503
05:37:44,700 --> 05:37:50,660
that it's very difficult for smaller assisted living centers

2504
05:37:50,660 --> 05:37:52,380
to survive a

2505
05:37:54,460 --> 05:37:56,460
couple of closures in the mountain areas

2506
05:37:56,460 --> 05:38:03,680
is in the last year, and it's a difficult business to try to maintain.

2507
05:38:04,780 --> 05:38:08,140
Thank you for your work, right?

2508
05:38:09,700 --> 05:38:10,300
How's that?

2509
05:38:10,840 --> 05:38:12,620
No, thank you for all your support.

2510
05:38:12,960 --> 05:38:14,100
Thank you guys for coming.

2511
05:38:24,610 --> 05:38:25,610
No, it's just me.

2512
05:38:27,970 --> 05:38:31,110
So I guess just me, just a little on me.

2513
05:38:31,650 --> 05:38:36,430
So if it's okay, we'll go back to 19a to my housing authority administrative budget.

2514
05:38:38,430 --> 05:38:41,940
We will run through there.

2515
05:38:42,500 --> 05:38:43,380
Got it.

2516
05:38:43,500 --> 05:38:43,600
Okay.

2517
05:38:44,140 --> 05:38:45,640
I was looking for somebody coming in behind me.

2518
05:38:46,580 --> 05:38:46,780
All right.

2519
05:38:47,520 --> 05:38:50,540
So this budget stayed pretty flat from last year.

2520
05:38:50,820 --> 05:38:53,360
Obviously with some increases in personnel.

2521
05:38:54,220 --> 05:38:58,400
And then, of course, the cliff you support runs through the budget,

2522
05:38:58,400 --> 05:39:00,260
or through my administrative budget as well.

2523
05:39:00,380 --> 05:39:02,580
So there was an increase to that from last year.

2524
05:39:03,380 --> 05:39:06,780
The other little increases that you'll see throughout this is,

2525
05:39:06,780 --> 05:39:15,520
As you know, we did budget for the senior meal in the donation program this year, kind of based off of the numbers that we have from 2024.

2526
05:39:16,440 --> 05:39:23,840
And then, you know, just the little increases in personnel as well as some training increased amounts.

2527
05:39:24,520 --> 05:39:27,120
Other than that, it stayed pretty flat from last year.

2528
05:39:28,600 --> 05:39:36,080
The only thing that I think I do need to have adjusted is I think underneath the property management fee for

2529
05:39:36,080 --> 05:39:36,680
Silver Spruce.

2530
05:39:37,060 --> 05:39:40,960
I think somehow that number is a carryover from grandlivings that number needs to be adjusted

2531
05:39:40,960 --> 05:39:41,400
down.

2532
05:39:42,900 --> 05:39:48,360
That $25,056, I think that needs to be $12,720.

2533
05:39:52,040 --> 05:39:56,580
There's also a couple of little increases in expenditures that I had budgeted for just

2534
05:39:56,580 --> 05:39:59,840
based on some things that we are now passing.

2535
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:18,140
So along to the housing authority that we previously had not. So some building maintenance for the office that I have over where my administrative office is. There's some things that we kind of put in there in case, you know, the heater goes out or the boiler goes out, the counties don't pass in some of those expenses on to the housing authority. So those are in there as well, under some capital items.

2536
05:40:20,920 --> 05:40:22,940
Do you guys have any questions on my admin budget?

2537
05:40:26,820 --> 05:40:27,460
I think so.

2538
05:40:27,460 --> 05:40:29,380
I don't need that number again, Alina.

2539
05:40:31,020 --> 05:40:31,820
Management fee?

2540
05:40:32,220 --> 05:40:33,000
Yeah, so I-

2541
05:40:33,000 --> 05:40:33,640
720.

2542
05:40:33,840 --> 05:40:34,360
Yes, please.

2543
05:40:34,760 --> 05:40:34,980
Okay.

2544
05:40:35,380 --> 05:40:39,360
I just think that somehow grandlivings ended up in there twice instead of Silver Spurs.

2545
05:40:39,840 --> 05:40:40,840
12, 720.

2546
05:40:41,140 --> 05:40:41,320
Yes.

2547
05:40:41,740 --> 05:40:42,160
Yes, please.

2548
05:40:42,860 --> 05:40:44,340
I have one good question for you, if I could.

2549
05:40:44,880 --> 05:40:44,960
Okay.

2550
05:40:45,320 --> 05:40:46,220
I agree with this budget.

2551
05:40:46,320 --> 05:40:53,420
This is my own kind of elected conceptualize, um, expect, think about cliff view.

2552
05:40:55,800 --> 05:41:01,100
The one-sixteen under MOU with Grand County on the revenue side, I'm characterizing

2553
05:41:01,100 --> 05:41:06,860
that and I welcome your correction, I characterise that as the funding from the General

2554
05:41:06,860 --> 05:41:10,580
Fund 2,000 authority for everything besides Cliffview.

2555
05:41:10,800 --> 05:41:13,820
Yeah, the MOU for direct administrative costs for the high-end.

2556
05:41:13,840 --> 05:41:17,060
Yeah, which we need to do and I'm all for it just to look at what it is.

2557
05:41:17,900 --> 05:41:23,220
Yeah, so it's the original $60,000 MOU that we previously always had with you guys.

2558
05:41:23,760 --> 05:41:26,080
It used to be more than that, and then we decreased it.

2559
05:41:26,460 --> 05:41:31,660
And then it's also about 56,000 for that additional employee that you guys allowed me to have last year.

2560
05:41:32,640 --> 05:41:33,900
That's all included in the 1-16.

2561
05:41:34,480 --> 05:41:35,860
That's what makes up the 1-16.

2562
05:41:36,040 --> 05:41:37,840
I'm going to move it with it, just thank you.

2563
05:41:38,220 --> 05:41:38,540
You're welcome.

2564
05:41:38,780 --> 05:41:43,440
All right, anything else on that one?

2565
05:41:43,700 --> 05:41:53,460
I think we go to the room quick, but I just had a conversation with our health group about.

2566
05:41:53,460 --> 05:42:03,960
the conversation with Megan was some of those big capital costs, possibly write some

2567
05:42:03,960 --> 05:42:07,000
grants, offset some of those large capital items.

2568
05:42:08,120 --> 05:42:10,420
We'll definitely be looking at that for next year.

2569
05:42:11,480 --> 05:42:16,080
And then I also, hopefully we can offset a little bit of that cost.

2570
05:42:16,200 --> 05:42:16,920
That's a pretty big number.

2571
05:42:17,720 --> 05:42:26,140
And then I also have, they did respond to an email regarding the benefits and

2572
05:42:26,140 --> 05:42:29,200
what all that's made up to, so I'll pass that email along to you guys as well.

2573
05:42:29,880 --> 05:42:33,140
Just so you can kind of know how they were billing for the stock pays and

2574
05:42:33,140 --> 05:42:34,040
the insurance and everything.

2575
05:42:34,740 --> 05:42:35,880
So they explained that out for me.

2576
05:42:37,360 --> 05:42:42,260
Okay, so now if we could please move to 19p, my black bear apartments budget.

2577
05:42:44,840 --> 05:42:52,600
So I based the revenues off of this kind of based on all 10 units being full at like the 50% AMI rates.

2578
05:42:53,260 --> 05:42:59,220
So kind of a lower in revenues just to be safe, I guess.

2579
05:43:00,600 --> 05:43:08,460
And then the expenditures for this is predominantly just personnel, there's obviously some maintenance and stuff like that.

2580
05:43:08,460 --> 05:43:12,180
But one thing that I would like to point out is the professional services.

2581
05:43:12,600 --> 05:43:19,080
We have that budgeted for $18,540, and I was able to talk to, so this is for still water.

2582
05:43:19,820 --> 05:43:23,640
They come in and they do our well inspection and that kind of thing.

2583
05:43:24,280 --> 05:43:29,340
And he had previously been over that just barely over the $10,000 contract mark.

2584
05:43:29,780 --> 05:43:35,620
So then he was having to provide that one point, I don't know whatever it is, insurance.

2585
05:43:35,620 --> 05:43:47,020
And so now he agreed to drop that down to where we're under that mark, so he's going to carry the $1 million insurance, and then we don't have to pay the other $8,000 for insurance for his additional policy.

2586
05:43:47,500 --> 05:44:00,400
So if we could adjust that down to $9,984, and then that saves me $8,556.

2587
05:44:08,870 --> 05:44:09,990
$9,984.

2588
05:44:09,990 --> 05:44:11,450
We're talking about Jack.

2589
05:44:12,290 --> 05:44:12,510
Okay.

2590
05:44:15,030 --> 05:44:15,610
National Services.

2591
05:44:15,770 --> 05:44:17,630
Yes, that's professional services.

2592
05:44:18,470 --> 05:44:24,270
So I mean, you know, that $16 saved me about $8,000, so that was very nice.

2593
05:44:26,360 --> 05:44:26,720
Yes.

2594
05:44:27,340 --> 05:44:27,720
I do too.

2595
05:44:28,060 --> 05:44:28,860
That was very nice.

2596
05:44:30,580 --> 05:44:33,460
So that helps on the expenditure side of things.

2597
05:44:33,820 --> 05:44:40,120
Other than that, we just have obviously insurance, painting, maintenance stuff, trash, utilities.

2598
05:44:40,120 --> 05:44:40,360
please.

2599
05:44:42,360 --> 05:44:43,580
Your water and sand?

2600
05:44:44,120 --> 05:44:44,280
Yes.

2601
05:44:45,860 --> 05:44:47,440
Ups by $10,000.

2602
05:44:48,360 --> 05:44:51,580
Yeah, we didn't really understand, like, because it was our first year, I didn't know

2603
05:44:51,580 --> 05:44:53,140
how to budget it for it last year.

2604
05:44:53,140 --> 05:44:59,220
I didn't realize that it was not as expensive as I thought, and you pay it quarterly, so we

2605
05:44:59,220 --> 05:44:59,900
adjusted that down.

2606
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:29,860
There was a 4,400 quarters. That's three quarters. There'll be one more bill. Probably ought to be a little bit higher than the 5,600. I think it's about $1,300 per quarter. Okay, so be close. Yeah. And that's sewer. Yeah, there's no water. If you have the well and you have the well inspection. And I have the well problems. Yeah. So you guys have any questions about black bears?

2607
05:45:29,860 --> 05:45:30,360
pretty.

2608
05:45:33,960 --> 05:45:40,680
We continue to work toward being self-sustaining on all of these. Yes, absolutely that's

2609
05:45:40,680 --> 05:45:48,300
always the goal and we will. Like you said you budgeted it at at the 50% AMI rate and who

2610
05:45:48,300 --> 05:45:52,960
knows where we're going to be. Right and we do currently already have quite a few tenets in

2611
05:45:52,960 --> 05:45:57,180
there that are over that. I just wanted to be conservative on the revenue side just to kind of make

2612
05:45:57,180 --> 05:45:59,240
make sure that I'm coming in where I need to be.

2613
05:46:02,550 --> 05:46:05,730
I'm just concerned about the revenue you're showing.

2614
05:46:06,810 --> 05:46:10,230
Pretty realistic because what you're actually collecting this year.

2615
05:46:13,780 --> 05:46:15,540
Yeah, I think it is going to balance out.

2616
05:46:16,420 --> 05:46:19,200
I do think it will be a good reflection of 2025.

2617
05:46:19,200 --> 05:46:19,980
I really do.

2618
05:46:20,540 --> 05:46:23,600
We're adding another two units that will be online at the end of the year.

2619
05:46:24,220 --> 05:46:26,040
We did have some moveouts that are now filling.

2620
05:46:26,040 --> 05:46:30,620
So, I think, once we get in there, I think it will stabilize.

2621
05:46:31,800 --> 05:46:34,540
You have some that are resigning for your lease, so that's good.

2622
05:46:40,760 --> 05:46:41,220
51.

2623
05:46:41,800 --> 05:46:41,960
Last.

2624
05:46:43,820 --> 05:46:44,300
21st.

2625
05:46:44,300 --> 05:46:44,780
Edel.

2626
05:46:45,700 --> 05:46:49,180
We didn't get fully leased, though, right out the gate, either.

2627
05:46:50,420 --> 05:46:50,900
2024.

2628
05:46:52,500 --> 05:46:55,280
Could we ask you, ma'am, when you were briefed over that,

2629
05:46:55,540 --> 05:46:58,140
I appreciate, you know, the question.

2630
05:46:58,140 --> 05:47:03,840
And a bit conservative, I assume that what you meant was that if it were as 100% occupied

2631
05:47:03,840 --> 05:47:06,540
to be a different number than 119, a little slightly higher maybe?

2632
05:47:06,880 --> 05:47:13,240
No, so this would be, this obviously would be 100% occupied at like 50% AMI.

2633
05:47:13,560 --> 05:47:18,600
I do have some people in there that are like 70, 90, so I budgeted it all across the board

2634
05:47:18,600 --> 05:47:19,500
at 50%.

2635
05:47:19,500 --> 05:47:21,180
So hopefully we get more.

2636
05:47:21,180 --> 05:47:21,520
Hopefully we get more.

2637
05:47:21,580 --> 05:47:21,600
Hopefully we get more.

2638
05:47:21,720 --> 05:47:22,180
Hopefully we get more.

2639
05:47:23,360 --> 05:47:23,760
Hopefully we get more.

2640
05:47:23,760 --> 05:47:23,960
Hopefully we get more.

2641
05:47:24,220 --> 05:47:24,620
Hopefully we get more.

2642
05:47:25,220 --> 05:47:26,800
Hopefully we get more.

2643
05:47:28,680 --> 05:47:31,080
I think we'll get to leave it.

2644
05:47:31,420 --> 05:47:35,080
If it comes in low, it's well right now.

2645
05:47:35,500 --> 05:47:36,620
What are we taking in per month?

2646
05:47:38,400 --> 05:47:44,850
Well, we have, I'm not sure of the top of my head, sorry.

2647
05:47:46,210 --> 05:47:48,830
We're taking in close to $10,000 a month.

2648
05:47:49,010 --> 05:47:50,530
I do have three vacancies right now.

2649
05:47:51,190 --> 05:47:54,430
It will be filled the beginning of November.

2650
05:47:56,170 --> 05:47:56,650
Eight?

2651
05:48:00,640 --> 05:48:09,780
I think with the three vacancies we're bringing in 7,000, so if I fill the other three, it should be bringing in around 11,000.

2652
05:48:10,720 --> 05:48:11,220
Roughly.

2653
05:48:14,720 --> 05:48:16,000
I'm fairly confident in the number.

2654
05:48:18,960 --> 05:48:19,960
Optimistically confident.

2655
05:48:20,980 --> 05:48:21,340
Okay.

2656
05:48:22,380 --> 05:48:25,360
If we do enough short, we'll know why.

2657
05:48:25,820 --> 05:48:25,940
Yeah.

2658
05:48:26,160 --> 05:48:26,760
But it's okay.

2659
05:48:26,960 --> 05:48:31,140
Like kind of estimate and it's a matter of a little green for experience.

2660
05:48:31,680 --> 05:48:35,220
We're going to go with a good with that question.

2661
05:48:35,920 --> 05:48:41,740
Okay, so moving on to 19D, my grant living property.

2662
05:48:42,380 --> 05:48:47,320
This one's kind of still up in the air because I'm still waiting on USDA to approve my budget.

2663
05:48:47,500 --> 05:48:52,620
I was hoping if I got it done early, they would throw me a bone and give me some early approvals.

2664
05:48:53,100 --> 05:48:58,840
But I am going to ask for a $73 rent increase on this property per unit per unit.

2665
05:48:58,840 --> 05:49:00,800
and it will again not necessarily affect the tenants,

2666
05:49:00,800 --> 05:49:03,940
it'll be mostly just in the rental subsidies that'll come in.

2667
05:49:04,760 --> 05:49:06,400
So these numbers are incorporating the numbers

2668
05:49:06,400 --> 05:49:08,180
that I did cement to USDA with hopes

2669
05:49:08,180 --> 05:49:09,400
that they're gonna approve these budgets.

2670
05:49:13,040 --> 05:49:17,020
But again, pretty flat across the board, it's from last year.

2671
05:49:17,440 --> 05:49:20,420
There is increases to personnel from last year.

2672
05:49:21,140 --> 05:49:24,640
And then we do have, we did move some items around

2673
05:49:24,640 --> 05:49:33,080
what they've fit into the line items better, but there's really, there is small increases

2674
05:49:33,080 --> 05:49:42,900
in utilities, just based off of kind of what we're expecting those to do in 2025, and

2675
05:49:43,280 --> 05:49:47,280
everything is pretty close to what it was last year.

2676
05:49:50,180 --> 05:49:53,600
I know my contracted labor will go

2677
05:49:53,600 --> 05:49:54,360
down a little bit.

2678
05:49:54,540 --> 05:49:55,520
Rest that one out to the bottom.

2679
05:50:06,930 --> 05:50:35,110
All right, they're contracted. So that'll go down a little bit because we do have that full-time maintenance person. That should be budgeted $10,000. We're just not needing the contracted person as much because we have full-time staff member that split between the other properties. So decrease their cooperation 100% staff currently. Yes. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's amazing.

2680
05:50:35,110 --> 05:50:41,670
And even my administrative assistant position that you guys approved last year has been huge

2681
05:50:41,670 --> 05:50:42,030
for me.

2682
05:50:42,370 --> 05:50:43,430
So I greatly appreciate that.

2683
05:50:43,770 --> 05:50:47,890
Not just for feeding the seniors in that meal program, but for me it's been huge.

2684
05:50:48,550 --> 05:50:49,950
So I appreciate it.

2685
05:50:52,030 --> 05:50:53,950
Do we have any questions on grandliving?

2686
05:50:57,880 --> 05:51:01,040
I do anticipate some of these numbers to change just a little bit.

2687
05:51:01,860 --> 05:51:06,080
It is showing obviously a deficit and that's really just appreciation.

2688
05:51:06,080 --> 05:51:12,120
and USDA world we don't budget for depreciation, but we do in our world, so that's why that's in there.

2689
05:51:13,620 --> 05:51:20,080
But the budget that I submitted to USDA doesn't show that deficit.

2690
05:51:22,080 --> 05:51:22,640
Both

2691
05:51:25,260 --> 05:51:30,600
of the bottom lines on the grand living and silver spruce are pretty close.

2692
05:51:30,600 --> 05:51:31,420
Do

2693
05:51:34,400 --> 05:51:40,380
I get the number of, not, there's vacancies right now, but the capacity for each one,

2694
05:51:40,460 --> 05:51:43,740
Silver Spruce is a capacity of, assuming one person per unit?

2695
05:51:44,980 --> 05:51:49,200
Well, actually, we do have a unit with two people in there, we have a couple in two, and

2696
05:51:49,200 --> 05:51:53,580
then the next, we have one vacant unit right now that they'll be moving in in two weeks, and

2697
05:51:53,580 --> 05:51:54,180
that'll be a couple.

2698
05:51:54,700 --> 05:52:03,200
So they'll be 24 at Silver Spruce, and then there are 25 at Grand Living,

2699
05:52:03,200 --> 05:52:04,880
because we do have a couple over there as well.

2700
05:52:10,400 --> 05:52:11,820
Anything with grand living?

2701
05:52:15,980 --> 05:52:21,200
There's currently five in the units at Blackburn, because I have the three that are vacant.

2702
05:52:21,320 --> 05:52:25,660
Some more things for fellow commissioners and teammates here to think about it.

2703
05:52:25,760 --> 05:52:32,460
I would just describe the accommodation that Silver Spruce and Grand Living has at

2704
05:52:33,800 --> 05:52:37,340
approximately $1,000 of cost per occupant.

2705
05:52:38,400 --> 05:52:41,260
And for a year, for a year, it's the whole year.

2706
05:52:41,640 --> 05:52:44,500
It's kind of, to me, very much worth it.

2707
05:52:44,760 --> 05:52:48,760
And the best in that if you take it.

2708
05:52:48,760 --> 05:52:50,320
Yes sir, yes sir.

2709
05:52:51,440 --> 05:52:56,560
Well, and the nice thing about us managing those two properties is we do collect management

2710
05:52:56,560 --> 05:53:00,760
fees from those properties that then help my administrative budget do.

2711
05:53:04,490 --> 05:53:05,250
Yeah, they do.

2712
05:53:05,250 --> 05:53:12,770
No, we don't transfer money into those two properties that are out of admin or the county general fund.

2713
05:53:14,930 --> 05:53:23,370
So 19E is my Silver Spruce Apartments budget, kind of the same as grant living, pretty stagnant.

2714
05:53:23,570 --> 05:53:33,010
There will be an increase, a run-in increase, we kind of gas on that every year because it takes effect of September of 2025.

2715
05:53:33,010 --> 05:53:36,330
25, and we don't ever know what that's going to be until Chaffo gives it to us.

2716
05:53:36,490 --> 05:53:39,770
So, we kind of just estimate this out based on what we're currently receiving.

2717
05:53:41,430 --> 05:53:45,770
But the only really increases here is for personnel, for merit and that kind of thing.

2718
05:53:47,430 --> 05:53:54,390
Other than that, we do have, I did increase the insurance because we've seen a substantial

2719
05:53:54,390 --> 05:53:58,790
increase in our insurance last year, and we did have a roof claim, so that's what did

2720
05:53:58,790 --> 05:53:59,010
it.

2721
05:53:59,550 --> 05:54:00,990
But we did have to fix that roof.

2722
05:54:00,990 --> 05:54:10,310
So it happens other than that there's a large increase in the water, I guess that we were told by

2723
05:54:10,970 --> 05:54:16,270
curling town staff that it would at least double next year the water is going to. So we did

2724
05:54:16,270 --> 05:54:17,050
budget for that.

2725
05:54:19,670 --> 05:54:20,190
We'll

2726
05:54:25,120 --> 05:54:26,220
increase this to training.

2727
05:54:30,860 --> 05:54:33,580
Again, it's showing a deficit but it's because we

2728
05:54:33,580 --> 05:54:36,560
just don't budget for depreciation in the odds world.

2729
05:54:40,440 --> 05:54:40,960
Go through budget.

2730
05:54:41,040 --> 05:54:41,400
That's OK.

2731
05:54:42,880 --> 05:54:48,520
Did the town, has the town done like an updated SFV analysis

2732
05:54:49,780 --> 05:54:53,120
on any cliff view or silver spruce?

2733
05:54:54,380 --> 05:54:55,900
I don't think that ever is.

2734
05:54:55,920 --> 05:54:57,100
Kind of like be careful what you wish for.

2735
05:54:57,280 --> 05:54:57,500
Right.

2736
05:55:04,220 --> 05:55:20,280
How many tasks they should be assessed for that building, family equivalents, number of taps that should be assessed. If we're out of the right amount of taps, what our quarterly service rate should be.

2737
05:55:27,350 --> 05:55:31,370
But it's like a be careful what you wish for. I

2738
05:55:35,750 --> 05:55:39,450
don't feel that way on some respects, mostly under what we.

2739
05:55:40,470 --> 05:55:43,770
So, anyway, let's

2740
05:55:46,650 --> 05:55:52,910
just hope that the town manager had indicated that they should have

2741
05:55:52,910 --> 05:55:57,210
those numbers more dialed in towards the end of October and let's hope that they just

2742
05:55:57,210 --> 05:56:03,590
come in quite a bit less because they're estimating more than they're anticipating actually

2743
05:56:03,590 --> 05:56:03,910
doing.

2744
05:56:06,700 --> 05:56:07,920
Part of this big,

2745
05:56:22,170 --> 05:56:25,330
really, it's over-sources is fair, just pin that out there.

2746
05:56:25,950 --> 05:56:30,050
I don't know about, I don't know what the taps in the single family issue is on cliff.

2747
05:56:30,170 --> 05:56:33,750
You would have to look into that, but I think, I think Silver Spurs is fair.

2748
05:56:41,460 --> 05:56:44,660
Any other questions for me for Silver Spurs?

2749
05:56:46,020 --> 05:56:47,540
It's pretty close to last year.

2750
05:56:48,140 --> 05:56:48,880
I think we're good.

2751
05:56:58,550 --> 05:56:59,150
You're good?

2752
05:56:59,650 --> 05:57:00,250
I think we're good.

2753
05:57:00,750 --> 05:57:01,050
Okay.

2754
05:57:02,710 --> 05:57:07,630
The other two is our payroll and just the summary.

2755
05:57:08,390 --> 05:57:18,890
As you know, the payroll is just kind of the, the county pays all of our housing authority FTEs and the housing authority reverses the county.

2756
05:57:19,090 --> 05:57:28,650
So this is just depicative of our payroll in and out, kind of all these budgets for the FTEs summarized into one nice little sheet.

2757
05:57:33,550 --> 05:57:42,070
I did budget for Samarit raises from some staff members and things, but in the COLA, just based off of years of service.

2758
05:57:42,070 --> 05:57:46,770
and the way, you know, their ability to do their job

2759
05:57:46,770 --> 05:57:47,310
efficiently,

2760
05:57:55,660 --> 05:57:56,680
anything on payroll?

2761
05:57:57,120 --> 05:57:57,620
Do you have any questions?

2762
05:57:58,820 --> 05:57:59,940
I think we're good.

2763
05:58:07,640 --> 05:58:10,600
All I have, unless you guys have questions for me.

2764
05:58:11,760 --> 05:58:12,400
I do not.

2765
05:58:13,200 --> 05:58:13,820
I think we're good.

2766
05:58:14,740 --> 05:58:16,140
I think we asked the questions along the way,

2767
05:58:16,200 --> 05:58:17,520
and I think we...

2768
05:58:18,800 --> 05:58:19,740
Hey, I will.

2769
05:58:20,260 --> 05:58:21,880
Well, meet your revenue in black bear.

2770
05:58:22,240 --> 05:58:23,600
You're going to be on a bunch of basic issues.

2771
05:58:24,020 --> 05:58:26,040
I'm going to challenge accepted.

2772
05:58:33,700 --> 05:58:34,360
Okay.

2773
05:58:34,360 --> 05:58:39,780
And I will continue to seek options for a cliffhield as always.

2774
05:58:41,220 --> 05:58:41,380
Yeah.

2775
05:58:47,840 --> 05:58:48,220
Okay.

2776
05:58:48,780 --> 05:58:49,460
Thank you guys.

2777
05:58:50,160 --> 05:58:50,620
Yeah.

2778
05:58:50,920 --> 05:58:51,400
Thank you, Shina.

2779
05:58:53,000 --> 05:58:53,660
Okay.

2780
05:58:53,760 --> 05:58:56,580
Now I think we're back for you to finish up.

2781
05:58:57,380 --> 05:58:59,200
Off to off at Motopool.

2782
05:58:59,200 --> 05:59:07,540
So, just think with that vehicle, it will be transferring to extension and we could probably do that at any time.

2783
05:59:09,540 --> 05:59:10,880
Which vehicle is that?

2784
05:59:11,500 --> 05:59:12,920
It'll be one of the explorers.

2785
05:59:14,360 --> 05:59:15,660
What are you replacing it with?

2786
05:59:18,000 --> 05:59:28,560
I would like to look at something maybe a little larger than what we've been getting is an equinox or

2787
05:59:28,560 --> 05:59:36,420
or for escape is what we've been getting in that category but the other

2788
05:59:36,420 --> 05:59:49,700
explorers like a 2013 will have one remaining talked about with writing a

2789
05:59:49,700 --> 05:59:50,980
grant here next year,

2790
05:59:54,140 --> 05:59:55,420
but I

2791
05:59:58,300 --> 05:59:59,900
can make some more of that.

2792
06:00:00,500 --> 06:00:24,680
We were going to try to do one or two vehicles a year to that keep the motor pool a replacement. It's sort of like your question on rodent bridging with skid steers. Then we'll take a motor pool vehicle with some lower mileage, transfer to a department, kind of, you know, possible having to buy new.

2793
06:00:35,500 --> 06:00:38,420
Both of those explorers are pretty low miles for 2013.

2794
06:00:41,320 --> 06:00:42,440
That's why that's why.

2795
06:00:42,440 --> 06:00:44,180
That's all we thought with CSU Extension.

2796
06:00:45,000 --> 06:00:47,640
Getting a new vehicle right now probably

2797
06:00:51,160 --> 06:00:56,060
utilize a lot more than going.

2798
06:01:03,260 --> 06:01:07,300
So the question would be to add a second vehicle

2799
06:01:07,300 --> 06:01:14,390
and a second vehicle being a revised vehicle, right?

2800
06:01:20,900 --> 06:01:23,740
But as we also moved the suburban to IT

2801
06:01:23,740 --> 06:01:26,180
because they transfer computer equipment

2802
06:01:26,180 --> 06:01:30,880
and need that bigger size vehicle that they can get racks

2803
06:01:30,880 --> 06:01:38,020
and different things and so now we don't have that bigger size if needed for we

2804
06:01:48,260 --> 06:01:49,080
would be we

2805
06:01:49,080 --> 06:01:58,420
would be adding instead of waiting until next year to replace that vehicle into motor

2806
06:02:00,440 --> 06:02:01,520
following

2807
06:02:01,520 --> 06:02:05,840
year and 26 adding that to the budget make

2808
06:02:08,560 --> 06:02:11,960
a change yeah no we're not going to do that yet

2809
06:02:13,720 --> 06:02:16,520
And there's 35,000 in there right now, right?

2810
06:02:16,700 --> 06:02:21,880
And we would add to that the cost of a new size of an explorer.

2811
06:02:24,960 --> 06:02:32,440
I add to you look at what those can put a plug in for now and how much do you think?

2812
06:02:34,020 --> 06:02:34,820
I don't like that.

2813
06:02:37,220 --> 06:02:38,180
42,175.

2814
06:02:38,180 --> 06:02:39,360
I was going to guess 45.

2815
06:02:40,420 --> 06:02:42,360
I think that's going to be accurate.

2816
06:02:43,120 --> 06:02:44,080
45,000.

2817
06:02:44,080 --> 06:02:48,720
Yes, sir. Don't have to outfit it for another 25, right?

2818
06:02:50,740 --> 06:02:53,080
But we could. Kind of nice.

2819
06:02:54,180 --> 06:02:56,920
It's not good if it might. Yeah.

2820
06:02:57,980 --> 06:03:04,000
Doesn't need the yellow bleak. Did you hear the comment from the wife of sirens and lights

2821
06:03:05,100 --> 06:03:10,620
and the president of sirens and lights?

2822
06:03:15,050 --> 06:03:18,970
So, we're going to add 45 to the motor pool budget.

2823
06:03:20,430 --> 06:03:21,250
That becomes 80.

2824
06:03:28,490 --> 06:03:39,710
But I think the commissioners, I mean, we just appreciate the ability to keep, you know, doing onesies, twosies, and replacing this fleet over a number of years.

2825
06:03:39,930 --> 06:03:42,390
So, we don't wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

2826
06:03:42,390 --> 06:03:47,290
Yeah, but we'd be happy to have enterprise come and talk.

2827
06:03:47,810 --> 06:03:52,250
I don't think we do enough volume for them and we have like you say,

2828
06:03:52,450 --> 06:03:54,610
what are those ones that are

2829
06:03:56,880 --> 06:03:59,560
teens? Explorers are 13.

2830
06:04:00,500 --> 06:04:03,540
It's the volume and it's the fact that our vehicles are very low mileage.

2831
06:04:03,920 --> 06:04:07,060
So numbers wise, what they would charge annually.

2832
06:04:07,920 --> 06:04:09,920
It just doesn't wash out.

2833
06:04:10,020 --> 06:04:11,420
Have you talked to me and if you're on?

2834
06:04:12,140 --> 06:04:17,200
they still call. Don't worry. There's another one too that is now calling.

2835
06:04:19,340 --> 06:04:22,020
Now, but he'll

2836
06:04:22,020 --> 06:04:25,620
be coming by one of these days. I'll try to make sure you're here far

2837
06:04:30,870 --> 06:04:31,730
for all this trouble.

2838
06:04:32,110 --> 06:04:40,650
And then I know I'm going backwards here. Backwards to what tab? Backwards to 4E. 4E?

2839
06:04:45,930 --> 06:04:51,440
We're taking a time out from the manager's budget for a second.

2840
06:04:52,560 --> 06:04:53,340
Is that allowed?

2841
06:04:53,900 --> 06:04:55,200
Curtis on that.

2842
06:04:55,200 --> 06:04:59,560
on 4-E under road bridge capital under buildings.

2843
06:05:01,070 --> 06:05:07,830
There's a $3.2 million number there. I need

2844
06:05:09,910 --> 06:05:22,210
to go back and I believe three of that is represents half of a road bridge shop at either partial or crumbling, correct?

2845
06:05:25,610 --> 06:05:32,010
And that was last year when we had an estimated cost of around $6 million.

2846
06:05:32,010 --> 06:05:38,510
dollars for what we believed was the square footage.

2847
06:05:38,850 --> 06:05:52,030
So our architects, GSG, I had Jeff go back and call them to come because we, that estimated

2848
06:05:52,030 --> 06:05:55,050
square footage of 15,900 square feet.

2849
06:05:56,650 --> 06:06:05,790
They are working on a project that is very similar to that and just ballpark numbers.

2850
06:06:06,870 --> 06:06:12,190
They're estimating that those now going from 6 to 8.4 million.

2851
06:06:13,470 --> 06:06:20,310
So I'm thinking that our 3.5 million needs to go to at least 4.

2852
06:06:20,310 --> 06:06:21,170
or we'll

2853
06:06:24,020 --> 06:06:26,040
just change one number and make it 4-2.

2854
06:06:27,780 --> 06:06:32,040
I didn't know if there was another 200, but yes, Commissioner, 4-2.

2855
06:06:34,180 --> 06:06:40,160
What's in there is $3 million for the building, half the building, and then $200,000 for windows.

2856
06:06:43,420 --> 06:06:47,620
Okay, so we should take that to,

2857
06:06:54,080 --> 06:06:55,780
that's still maybe a little bit short.

2858
06:06:55,780 --> 06:07:09,820
Yeah, we were using $9,600 square feet at $625 a square foot for it 15,900 square feet at a price tag of 8.4 for

2859
06:07:29,250 --> 06:07:29,650
four.

2860
06:07:30,030 --> 06:07:30,130
Yeah.

2861
06:07:37,200 --> 06:07:38,080
Okay, thank you.

2862
06:07:40,190 --> 06:07:42,990
Okay, going back to by

2863
06:07:47,500 --> 06:07:49,020
the way, let's just add.

2864
06:07:49,480 --> 06:07:54,320
By the way, let's just add some money area. Good job. It's what I'm saying.

2865
06:07:54,320 --> 06:08:00,040
This was at 1.24 and I have been waiting this long, okay,

2866
06:08:03,860 --> 06:08:04,820
cost go up.

2867
06:08:08,590 --> 06:08:09,150
Okay,

2868
06:08:12,640 --> 06:08:18,000
now an administration, my favorite budget of all the budgets, what number's that?

2869
06:08:19,180 --> 06:08:19,780
E-T-M.

2870
06:08:19,940 --> 06:08:20,160
E-T-M.

2871
06:08:22,660 --> 06:08:23,360
E-T-M.

2872
06:08:23,760 --> 06:08:24,300
E-T-M.

2873
06:08:24,300 --> 06:08:26,080
E-T-M.

2874
06:08:26,380 --> 06:08:26,540
E-T-M.

2875
06:08:26,700 --> 06:08:27,020
E-T-M.

2876
06:08:27,300 --> 06:08:28,340
E-T-M.

2877
06:08:31,960 --> 06:08:33,140
E-T-M.

2878
06:08:33,240 --> 06:08:37,500
E-T-M.

2879
06:08:37,500 --> 06:08:48,020
morning. PNA budget is where we capture wages and vacancy and just looking at some of

2880
06:08:48,020 --> 06:08:59,220
those numbers. We had 22 vacancies at this point. Rejection as we move the needle and continue

2881
06:08:59,220 --> 06:09:07,780
you to fill positions, we would be budgeting for less of a wage vacancy there.

2882
06:09:09,240 --> 06:09:18,500
That represents the sub-of-50 that there's a lot of scientific data that goes into this

2883
06:09:21,540 --> 06:09:32,920
actually it wasn't, it was, we had a very detailed discussion on it and then Alina drew a straw, now I'm kidding.

2884
06:09:34,040 --> 06:09:39,280
You know, we looked at about 20% turnover each year,

2885
06:09:42,260 --> 06:09:47,960
much time it takes to find replacement in the best possible situation.

2886
06:09:47,960 --> 06:09:54,710
and two weeks notice and then advertise for a couple of weeks and you're

2887
06:09:54,710 --> 06:09:59,740
to be able to find somebody you hire them, they say, okay.

2888
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:08,320
I want to give another two weeks to my employer. So it's a couple of months where that mission is probably vacant, 20

2889
06:10:10,660 --> 06:10:17,220
% of our employees turning over, so I'm up with a

2890
06:10:20,000 --> 06:10:31,750
full-time equivalence. I mean, how much they tried to put an average salary on that.

2891
06:10:33,990 --> 06:10:40,550
Just the interim process of when somebody leaves, the new guy is worth 8 FTEs.

2892
06:10:40,550 --> 06:10:50,130
I believe so, yeah, if we had all positions filled just on an annual basis, yes, absolutely.

2893
06:10:50,430 --> 06:10:50,990
Our

2894
06:10:55,690 --> 06:10:59,690
budget's 100%, 100% always full.

2895
06:11:00,010 --> 06:11:03,190
Always full, except for this part of it.

2896
06:11:03,290 --> 06:11:07,110
This is where we try to make an adjustment.

2897
06:11:11,020 --> 06:11:14,720
So on that note, and I think I know the answer to this question.

2898
06:11:14,720 --> 06:11:21,540
but a couple of three years ago, when we were so far under staffed, we had a bunch of incentives and

2899
06:11:22,340 --> 06:11:27,260
pearls and all these kind of things, but none of those are in effect now, right, because we had a

2900
06:11:28,260 --> 06:11:30,740
threshold where those would apply and where they wouldn't apply.

2901
06:11:30,980 --> 06:11:35,700
No, we have kept them in place still, pursuant to your direction commissioners.

2902
06:11:37,240 --> 06:11:46,100
That rid of those thresholds, and so the PNA budget does reflect these

2903
06:11:46,100 --> 06:11:53,040
hiring incentives and we still have that turned on as part of our competitive package

2904
06:11:53,040 --> 06:11:59,840
to attract and retain employees which is the $2,500 hiring incentive and then in two years

2905
06:12:01,000 --> 06:12:06,280
the additional, or the additional $2,500 for a total of five.

2906
06:12:07,360 --> 06:12:10,160
So there was a referral one also, is that one still turned on?

2907
06:12:10,500 --> 06:12:10,740
Yes, so.

2908
06:12:11,020 --> 06:12:11,260
And that's all there is.

2909
06:12:11,260 --> 06:12:14,740
Because I remember at first we had a threshold, a 20% of vacancy or something.

2910
06:12:14,740 --> 06:12:16,460
And we took that off.

2911
06:12:16,700 --> 06:12:21,000
We came back to you with recommendations and-

2912
06:12:21,000 --> 06:12:23,920
There's no threshold now, it's all in the course.

2913
06:12:24,360 --> 06:12:24,520
Correct.

2914
06:12:26,000 --> 06:12:29,980
And that's still, I think, being competitive

2915
06:12:29,980 --> 06:12:33,220
with all the other employers-

2916
06:12:33,220 --> 06:12:34,720
I think I'm sure C job, of course,

2917
06:12:34,900 --> 06:12:37,160
that does hiring bonuses.

2918
06:12:39,840 --> 06:12:44,180
And these incentives, I think, have been working.

2919
06:12:47,200 --> 06:12:51,040
The other, those other line items there are

2920
06:12:52,480 --> 06:12:53,820
So hiring incentives

2921
06:12:54,740 --> 06:12:56,940
We talked about the wage vacancy

2922
06:12:58,040 --> 06:12:58,640
Severance

2923
06:12:59,420 --> 06:13:01,100
on folks retiring

2924
06:13:02,880 --> 06:13:07,800
Self-acation and there's the referral fees that you're speaking toward. Yeah,

2925
06:13:11,160 --> 06:13:12,260
remember we are

2926
06:13:13,620 --> 06:13:14,760
18M PNA

2927
06:13:20,090 --> 06:13:25,110
Okay, so what else on that one or any other adjustments that need to take place on this?

2928
06:13:26,210 --> 06:13:41,370
I mean, there's a lot of more overall employee based costs that is captured in PNA as well as a lot of utility costs that are across all departments.

2929
06:13:41,370 --> 06:13:42,350
It's

2930
06:13:45,000 --> 06:13:49,220
important to note that we're recommending, we reduce that by

2931
06:13:51,560 --> 06:13:52,020
half.

2932
06:13:52,920 --> 06:13:55,700
0.5 down to 750.

2933
06:13:56,460 --> 06:14:07,080
Thank you, there's going to be, our departments seem to be finding employees and filling up with staff and we're having closer to that.

2934
06:14:14,870 --> 06:14:22,630
I stepped out for a bit, so forgive me if this is already covered but it's kind of a bit weird that no actual is ever manifest on that vacancy.

2935
06:14:22,630 --> 06:14:28,830
Did you already say why I apologize if you did yeah, when they first started that I tried to do it in our auditors didn't like that

2936
06:14:31,290 --> 06:14:36,310
Capture all that I mean you're not spending money. So the each department has a savings that

2937
06:14:36,990 --> 06:14:38,130
manifested in actual

2938
06:14:38,790 --> 06:14:41,670
But here it doesn't right then. This is what

2939
06:14:44,970 --> 06:14:46,350
County team puts out

2940
06:14:46,350 --> 06:14:49,710
Well, once a month to track it.

2941
06:14:50,670 --> 06:14:51,190
It's fine.

2942
06:14:51,390 --> 06:14:53,390
It's fine to know those are zeroes.

2943
06:14:53,510 --> 06:14:56,930
I'm sure they're captured elsewhere and this we have to put it, though, when it comes

2944
06:14:56,930 --> 06:14:57,630
to making a budget.

2945
06:14:57,930 --> 06:14:58,470
It's just a check.

2946
06:14:58,630 --> 06:14:58,990
We didn't have to.

2947
06:14:58,990 --> 06:14:59,250
Right.

2948
06:14:59,790 --> 06:14:59,930
Right.

2949
06:15:00,210 --> 06:15:09,250
Right. It's good. County Department says, I have four people, but if somebody's vacant, I'm not feeling that part of my budget.

2950
06:15:14,160 --> 06:15:22,760
So you're suggesting we're changing now by half? I support doing, I'm laying five because down to 750. I support doing that.

2951
06:15:29,240 --> 06:15:34,480
So eight FTE, what would that be in terms of? Yeah,

2952
06:15:37,900 --> 06:15:41,960
that's it. I think in our average cell, there's about 75,000.

2953
06:15:44,200 --> 06:15:45,160
175,000

2954
06:15:52,840 --> 06:15:58,580
FTEs, 75, with benefits would be about 800.

2955
06:16:02,800 --> 06:16:04,820
I wanted to be a little conservative, so I suggested.

2956
06:16:07,810 --> 06:16:09,990
There are real-of-theum in your department uses for,

2957
06:16:12,050 --> 06:16:17,170
I say people that benefits cost roughly $30,000 per employee.

2958
06:16:17,290 --> 06:16:20,390
Now, if you're lower wage or higher wage, it changes because of the retirement.

2959
06:16:20,910 --> 06:16:22,790
Is there a real-theum in your use for your per employee?

2960
06:16:23,070 --> 06:16:28,060
Yeah, for taxes and benefits 1.4.

2961
06:16:28,060 --> 06:16:36,500
four. Oh, of the total. But our personnel cost would be pages.

2962
06:16:38,000 --> 06:16:45,920
The 100K make math easy. It's 40K of benefits. Right. A large part of that would be healthcare.

2963
06:16:48,680 --> 06:16:53,780
Although it was little. Exes and pump.

2964
06:16:59,490 --> 06:17:02,010
They come out to about 40%.

2965
06:17:13,000 --> 06:17:21,740
We jumped from Motorpool and we added another vehicle in Motorpool as a place holder because

2966
06:17:21,740 --> 06:17:26,520
we're moving a explorer from Motorpool to CSU extension.

2967
06:17:27,240 --> 06:17:31,560
And so we are adding another vehicle in Motorpool to replace that.

2968
06:17:31,560 --> 06:17:43,280
But in addition, we have an update on the road and bridge shop cost, either crumbling

2969
06:17:43,280 --> 06:17:43,900
or partial.

2970
06:17:44,180 --> 06:17:59,500
They're really the same size buildings per se, and the architects are at 15,900 square

2971
06:17:59,500 --> 06:18:05,640
feet on that building, you know, the majority of that is Bay space for equipment, but the

2972
06:18:05,640 --> 06:18:12,520
cost on that based on another similar project that our architects are working on, they're

2973
06:18:12,520 --> 06:18:23,440
now estimating that to be $8.4 million and not $6 million, so the 50% of that cost that

2974
06:18:23,440 --> 06:18:28,340
we would anticipate next year that's in the road bridge budget, we went back and made a

2975
06:18:28,340 --> 06:18:32,800
changed in 4.4 million, and they're in sort of

2976
06:18:35,490 --> 06:18:38,410
that cost went up from yes,

2977
06:18:43,120 --> 06:18:43,940
the

2978
06:18:46,630 --> 06:18:47,910
two-rogan bridge

2979
06:18:47,910 --> 06:18:57,370
shop for each one. I know they're different buildings, but the cost of one EMS versus one

2980
06:18:57,370 --> 06:19:00,990
road of bridge, I don't think they were quite that different. I'm surprised how low it is. That's

2981
06:19:00,990 --> 06:19:07,110
good news. I do have a request as we decide this. This will be you guys to decide. But looking

2982
06:19:07,110 --> 06:19:11,510
Looking at the public works building that winter park bill, which I know is right next

2983
06:19:11,510 --> 06:19:11,870
resort.

2984
06:19:12,130 --> 06:19:16,090
But I don't think it hurts to make the building somewhat aesthetically pleasing.

2985
06:19:16,250 --> 06:19:22,090
It doesn't have to be Gucci, but a tin only kind of, you know, I make it, consider making

2986
06:19:22,090 --> 06:19:28,930
it something that's somewhat professional looking, or not, you guys decide that.

2987
06:19:30,090 --> 06:19:36,010
Isn't it pretty as nice as that one, but I thought you guys will design it, good, good.

2988
06:19:36,010 --> 06:19:36,150
way.

2989
06:19:40,910 --> 06:19:44,330
There's both of you visible. Big yellow iron on the side of it or something.

2990
06:19:46,490 --> 06:19:46,890
The

2991
06:19:46,890 --> 06:19:52,510
mural on the side of it. Like like a crater or a crater pushing a big mound of dirt or

2992
06:19:52,510 --> 06:19:59,900
something. Those are greater blocking the bulldozer. There you go. Then

2993
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:09,460
I'm sorry. Just make it look nice. Make it look a little bit nice. I mean, public season, especially if they're visible from 4D. Well, I guess it's not now the future won't be, but the fairgrounds one will be.

2994
06:20:12,410 --> 06:20:19,410
Patients, yeah, either in either scenario. Yes, we want these to be active metal.

2995
06:20:21,470 --> 06:20:30,670
No, but there's a lot of features that from an architectural standpoint that you can add to break up the building, the wraparound Wayne Scott at the bottom,

2996
06:20:30,670 --> 06:20:33,730
Different color coordinate. I mean, there's going

2997
06:20:36,770 --> 06:20:38,170
to make this one look these look

2998
06:20:39,310 --> 06:20:41,230
Well, thank you

2999
06:20:41,810 --> 06:20:42,310
Okay

3000
06:20:43,150 --> 06:20:45,470
So those were the two additions that

3001
06:20:50,190 --> 06:20:50,790
Okay

3002
06:20:52,030 --> 06:20:57,610
Next so commissioners, are there any other questions on the PNA budget?

3003
06:21:10,840 --> 06:21:11,440
Hey

3004
06:21:11,440 --> 06:21:15,060
Our series of budgets that we've

3005
06:21:18,520 --> 06:21:19,620
got this was that's favorite.

3006
06:21:23,030 --> 06:21:25,270
Well, time every night. I thought this was your favorite

3007
06:21:29,470 --> 06:21:30,090
Okay,

3008
06:21:34,860 --> 06:21:43,960
first one is the affordable housing, we have a budget there, but we don't have a budget, there's $35,000 in fund balance for

3009
06:21:45,980 --> 06:21:46,860
housing.

3010
06:21:49,080 --> 06:21:51,940
Okay, and again, we don't have a tab for that, right?

3011
06:21:52,400 --> 06:22:03,100
Those were voluntary contributions as part of a development that we asked the developer to contribute toward affordable housing.

3012
06:22:03,100 --> 06:22:09,500
In some situations you ended up with a Coyote Creek example, you guys are well versed in.

3013
06:22:10,060 --> 06:22:13,420
Others, someone just said fine, I'm going to write a check.

3014
06:22:14,320 --> 06:22:16,900
And so that cash has been sitting in this phone.

3015
06:22:18,380 --> 06:22:20,200
We haven't had a budget

3016
06:22:27,330 --> 06:22:31,830
housing fund for some purpose.

3017
06:22:32,430 --> 06:22:35,190
We've got to put up for it and money.

3018
06:22:35,190 --> 06:22:41,110
It's kind of like the discussion about the water quality fund, do you apply that to one

3019
06:22:41,110 --> 06:22:44,350
of housing authorities projects to you?

3020
06:22:48,300 --> 06:22:51,720
So this fund is-

3021
06:22:56,300 --> 06:23:06,240
No, we roll that fund, it's more like committed, all right, committed, and highly advisable,

3022
06:23:06,500 --> 06:23:09,620
not for affordable housing.

3023
06:23:09,620 --> 06:23:09,740
Right,

3024
06:23:11,820 --> 06:23:18,760
but it's not, it's, it's not commingled, not commingled with housing authority.

3025
06:23:18,860 --> 06:23:19,700
Right.

3026
06:23:20,280 --> 06:23:20,860
County,

3027
06:23:23,270 --> 06:23:31,710
but it would be under the Board of County Commissioners rather than housing authority

3028
06:23:31,710 --> 06:23:31,990
board.

3029
06:23:32,830 --> 06:23:33,850
Yes, sir.

3030
06:23:33,850 --> 06:23:49,770
I believe some of these funds for voluntary paid well before the county took the housing authority back, back under its wing, percent.

3031
06:23:51,720 --> 06:24:03,300
And is this the fund into which from Coyote Creek would go, they go straight to the housing authority?

3032
06:24:06,010 --> 06:24:09,850
I think that's because that's how written in the.

3033
06:24:09,870 --> 06:24:11,850
All those deed restrictions are written, absolutely.

3034
06:24:13,850 --> 06:24:15,790
Properties have certain restrictions so.

3035
06:24:19,890 --> 06:24:21,990
Sounds like something that we could use a

3036
06:24:24,480 --> 06:24:26,320
variety of ways, doesn't it?

3037
06:24:26,420 --> 06:24:26,600
Yes.

3038
06:24:37,210 --> 06:24:39,550
I just throw that out there to think about.

3039
06:24:39,670 --> 06:24:40,410
How much is in there?

3040
06:24:40,590 --> 06:24:40,930
30.

3041
06:24:43,090 --> 06:24:43,970
$4,950.

3042
06:24:43,970 --> 06:24:45,110
$8,000.

3043
06:24:47,090 --> 06:24:47,830
I was in.

3044
06:24:50,210 --> 06:24:50,550
Fund.

3045
06:24:50,850 --> 06:24:51,330
Number two.

3046
06:24:51,510 --> 06:24:51,670
Six.

3047
06:24:54,540 --> 06:24:55,220
Find them.

3048
06:24:55,480 --> 06:24:56,000
Move it over.

3049
06:24:57,460 --> 06:24:58,180
Six, one.

3050
06:24:58,280 --> 06:24:58,560
Half doesn't.

3051
06:24:58,620 --> 06:24:58,880
The other.

3052
06:24:58,880 --> 06:24:58,980
there.

3053
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:23,340
We need to put one said one, 12, one said one, 16, but that's about the amount we're kind of subsidizing the housing authority. Minus cliff you. So this 34 is not going to really change much. Is there to just keep it a rapid recommendation or preference from your side that we leave it alone for ease and convenience or. I'm just not sure what.

3054
06:25:25,890 --> 06:25:32,330
Written down when those monies were collected from the developer money for.

3055
06:25:32,330 --> 06:25:34,210
were affordable housing.

3056
06:25:36,030 --> 06:25:43,470
Contributing toward affordable housing and solving, I mean, it was started in the late 90s, early 2000s.

3057
06:25:44,070 --> 06:25:52,050
And we had a lot of those subdivisions in unincorporated Grand County, all the pole creeks, stage coaches, those.

3058
06:25:52,430 --> 06:25:53,910
As we collect the-

3059
06:25:53,910 --> 06:25:57,150
It wasn't, it was very broad in general.

3060
06:25:57,150 --> 06:26:03,190
But as we start collecting the fees as the real estate transfers happen on these charity creeks and others like it

3061
06:26:03,190 --> 06:26:05,870
Is this the fun where it's going to land? No, it's not

3062
06:26:07,150 --> 06:26:08,510
There's going to land at a curiosity

3063
06:26:09,370 --> 06:26:17,410
He is those coyote creek ones who were just saying that those deed restrictions have the funding going directly to the housing authority

3064
06:26:17,410 --> 06:26:19,830
What if he chants for this money over and close it down?

3065
06:26:22,200 --> 06:26:25,300
I don't know. I guess I'm not seeing any compelling

3066
06:26:27,520 --> 06:26:35,940
I would guess that perhaps we leave where it is for the moment but then if an opportunity

3067
06:26:35,940 --> 06:26:43,580
shows up like Bear or future development of adjacent property there, this could be

3068
06:26:46,120 --> 06:26:52,480
signwork or do whatever we need to do to move like that.

3069
06:27:10,590 --> 06:27:13,530
I think we leave it alone for now.

3070
06:27:18,470 --> 06:27:20,770
I don't see any compelling reason to change it, I guess.

3071
06:27:21,010 --> 06:27:22,650
Is it toward the engineering or whatever?

3072
06:27:26,110 --> 06:27:26,910
Aware of this money.

3073
06:27:31,940 --> 06:27:32,080
All right.

3074
06:27:32,900 --> 06:27:38,480
When it is plot grants, which we've gone over with,

3075
06:27:41,550 --> 06:27:45,150
I want to advise fund and.

3076
06:27:57,530 --> 06:28:02,350
I'd like to go to 20C, conservation trust fund.

3077
06:28:02,950 --> 06:28:04,590
Why don't you want to start with A?

3078
06:28:05,350 --> 06:28:06,870
Well, A, we've gone through.

3079
06:28:07,170 --> 06:28:08,530
What were you having for that?

3080
06:28:11,440 --> 06:28:12,220
Oh, I'm sorry.

3081
06:28:12,360 --> 06:28:13,520
I was just going alphabetical.

3082
06:28:16,090 --> 06:28:17,150
I see what you're saying.

3083
06:28:17,270 --> 06:28:18,130
Let's start with A.

3084
06:28:18,870 --> 06:28:19,570
That's a very.

3085
06:28:19,570 --> 06:28:25,190
twenty eight. Now we're back on track. That's that's exactly what you're going to

3086
06:28:25,190 --> 06:28:26,210
have. I was

3087
06:28:35,140 --> 06:28:36,160
okay.

3088
06:28:41,890 --> 06:28:43,770
We have all

3089
06:28:51,260 --> 06:28:52,280
their do's are in here.

3090
06:28:53,200 --> 06:28:55,080
So that's our COP rate.

3091
06:28:56,860 --> 06:28:57,560
Twenty five million.

3092
06:28:58,980 --> 06:29:01,160
What one to do is change that.

3093
06:29:06,680 --> 06:29:07,980
That's not change it yet.

3094
06:29:07,980 --> 06:29:08,140
But

3095
06:29:10,700 --> 06:29:12,720
why does it not want to change it?

3096
06:29:13,520 --> 06:29:17,240
So our thoughts of how our overall budget is going to work,

3097
06:29:19,310 --> 06:29:22,690
maybe 22, and maybe 20, maybe 18.

3098
06:29:25,840 --> 06:29:32,680
Well, maybe, but Curtis, why would you, what would be your justification for going to 22?

3099
06:29:34,950 --> 06:29:36,770
Well, I started

3100
06:29:39,300 --> 06:29:44,940
out with, last year we made a run at this, we got the EMS Billion between

3101
06:29:44,940 --> 06:29:52,520
26 million and we had a lot of fund balance and I said, well, that part of our fund balance

3102
06:29:53,220 --> 06:29:59,760
into building that station in borrow 18 million and when I looked at our unrestricted fund balance

3103
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:12,510
The end of 20, 23 hours of unrestricted fund balance. We want to keep 20% of that as a cushion.

3104
06:30:12,950 --> 06:30:16,230
That's about $5 million.

3105
06:30:19,780 --> 06:30:26,180
It leaves $13 million to spend. We would like, but we also have two

3106
06:30:26,180 --> 06:30:29,460
We rode in bridge shops to build Hannah, another

3107
06:30:31,800 --> 06:30:36,720
build on top of this one, so I thought I'd

3108
06:30:38,740 --> 06:30:48,180
like to keep part of that unrestricted fund balance which are construction and borrow as much as we could.

3109
06:30:48,680 --> 06:30:53,520
So my first thought was let's borrow $25 of the $26 million.

3110
06:30:55,060 --> 06:30:59,480
Ed and Austin reminded me that we're pursuing some grants.

3111
06:30:59,480 --> 06:31:02,100
It's potential for $4 million,

3112
06:31:05,880 --> 06:31:17,820
didn't want to borrow $25 million, and then get $4 more million on top of it, we'd be having funding more than what it cost us to build that.

3113
06:31:18,520 --> 06:31:27,360
That's a structure, so my thought process was, let's go back to $22 million based on the potential for grants.

3114
06:31:27,360 --> 06:31:30,660
Right, the 1 million dollar and 3 million CDS.

3115
06:31:31,420 --> 06:31:33,100
Only 6 minus 4 equals 22.

3116
06:31:34,740 --> 06:31:42,360
But as we've talked about this morning, yesterday, morning, I don't know.

3117
06:31:43,000 --> 06:31:46,940
So, you know, the strings attach per se, right, for the grant.

3118
06:31:48,340 --> 06:31:53,360
Knowing that if you don't accept them for some reason or you don't get them for some reason then.

3119
06:31:53,360 --> 06:31:53,540
And

3120
06:31:55,980 --> 06:32:05,760
then you offset the amount of cash and or amount of COP going into the next road

3121
06:32:05,760 --> 06:32:08,360
and bridge shop or the next EMS station, too.

3122
06:32:09,680 --> 06:32:11,600
There are some other things we can do.

3123
06:32:11,980 --> 06:32:21,150
For instance, our PILT fund, and our financials that's rolled into our road and bridge fund

3124
06:32:21,150 --> 06:32:21,630
balance.

3125
06:32:22,790 --> 06:32:27,730
government, just federal governments, it says we would like you to use this money on

3126
06:32:28,570 --> 06:32:33,190
road and bridge or anything else you want to use it for. We can use it on anything.

3127
06:32:34,210 --> 06:32:40,050
So we've been keeping it in that road and bridge on our financials, which is fun.

3128
06:32:41,540 --> 06:32:47,480
It's not part of your unrestricted fund bounce. We could transfer some money out of

3129
06:32:47,480 --> 06:32:49,860
there if you wanted to come

3130
06:32:52,580 --> 06:32:56,180
out into the general fund,

3131
06:32:56,880 --> 06:33:01,480
fund transfer, that would then become unrestricted.

3132
06:33:06,800 --> 06:33:08,660
Extricted in the road and bridge fund.

3133
06:33:09,040 --> 06:33:09,660
How can you?

3134
06:33:09,680 --> 06:33:10,220
It's committed.

3135
06:33:10,540 --> 06:33:10,880
Committed.

3136
06:33:11,580 --> 06:33:11,820
All right.

3137
06:33:12,780 --> 06:33:18,700
So, as of September, as of last week, we had 25,

3138
06:33:19,160 --> 06:33:23,300
26 million in the unrestricted fund.

3139
06:33:23,300 --> 06:33:29,500
And what do you anticipate that being at the end of the year five right now?

3140
06:33:31,040 --> 06:33:35,860
But it's going to go down because we're spending more than taking in.

3141
06:33:37,380 --> 06:33:39,200
I think it's going to be closer to,

3142
06:33:46,900 --> 06:33:51,240
but we're going to have a surplus of probably 7 or 8 million.

3143
06:33:53,280 --> 06:33:56,040
Part of that will be unrestricted.

3144
06:33:58,830 --> 06:34:01,670
higher than our 18 million at growing

3145
06:34:04,680 --> 06:34:07,920
out all these numbers to you, but we're just trying to decide how much

3146
06:34:07,920 --> 06:34:10,640
would we like to borrow.

3147
06:34:11,720 --> 06:34:20,640
And our budget doesn't have your final decision, but it's a suggestion of one way to approach it,

3148
06:34:20,820 --> 06:34:26,180
borrow a large portion of this cost so that we've got unrestricted funds.

3149
06:34:26,180 --> 06:34:29,680
I think I'm missing something in the big picture.

3150
06:34:30,260 --> 06:34:34,640
If I could explain my dilemma, please correct me.

3151
06:34:37,840 --> 06:34:39,200
Right now we're looking at $8 million.

3152
06:34:42,800 --> 06:34:48,280
That includes $25 million of revenue, loan.

3153
06:34:49,180 --> 06:34:55,900
So my question is, say we weren't going to do a COP, are we really sitting at a budget with

3154
06:34:55,900 --> 06:34:59,980
revenues and expenditures that's actually a deficit of

3155
06:35:06,020 --> 06:35:30,900
17 million? That question makes sense at all? Yeah, if you take, yeah, our total revenue take out throughout the COP. How are we spending 17 million more than we're taking in? Because we've been building that fund balance for a while, and we're not. We'll be making payments, I guess, for 12 months. Well, before we happen, I'll make payments after that time.

3156
06:35:30,900 --> 06:35:41,960
Let me take a stab at explaining this, because the way that the CLP works is you get it all in a big lump before you spin it.

3157
06:35:42,520 --> 06:35:49,200
That's why it shows up as a big chunk of revenue that you haven't spent yet when you get that loan in when that gets approved.

3158
06:35:50,460 --> 06:35:51,840
So, look at that, I did it.

3159
06:35:51,840 --> 06:36:06,800
We also show spending 13 million, so our revenues and expenses, if we do away with any accounting for EMS, station one, right?

3160
06:36:07,120 --> 06:36:07,280
Right.

3161
06:36:07,280 --> 06:36:09,460
are about breakeven.

3162
06:36:12,340 --> 06:36:16,320
It's 25 million, bonds and then reduced.

3163
06:36:20,450 --> 06:36:21,690
13, it does not train you.

3164
06:36:21,790 --> 06:36:22,150
What do you have?

3165
06:36:22,530 --> 06:36:24,490
Half of the 25.

3166
06:36:24,930 --> 06:36:27,990
We'll spend half of that COP money in the first year.

3167
06:36:28,430 --> 06:36:30,410
$5 million, surplus.

3168
06:36:32,110 --> 06:36:34,830
That's because of two-year bill, 18 month budget.

3169
06:36:35,170 --> 06:36:35,650
You're going to pay.

3170
06:36:36,050 --> 06:36:37,290
Pay some of the contract.

3171
06:36:37,530 --> 06:36:38,890
You're going to pay the whole.

3172
06:36:38,890 --> 06:36:41,650
I thought we were going to pay $2 million a year for 20 years.

3173
06:36:44,630 --> 06:36:48,050
That's to the contractor, pay, that's what the difference is.

3174
06:36:48,150 --> 06:36:50,330
You're paying, you write to check to the contractor.

3175
06:36:50,610 --> 06:36:50,670
Oh.

3176
06:36:51,630 --> 06:36:54,730
Pay the COP payments back over 20 years, yes.

3177
06:36:55,850 --> 06:36:56,190
Right?

3178
06:36:58,990 --> 06:37:02,870
Okay, so as the work gets done, we write to check to the contractor.

3179
06:37:03,190 --> 06:37:03,370
Yes.

3180
06:37:03,590 --> 06:37:06,970
For the work that's done at whatever stage, two or three different stages.

3181
06:37:07,230 --> 06:37:08,270
As the work gets completed.

3182
06:37:08,270 --> 06:37:14,830
But we paid the loan back to COP back over a 20-year period, so that's difference.

3183
06:37:15,710 --> 06:37:17,150
At $2 million a year.

3184
06:37:17,570 --> 06:37:20,630
20 comes in and is used to pay the contractor.

3185
06:37:23,290 --> 06:37:27,350
That's why it's so lopsided in terms of making it look like there's a huge amount of revenue.

3186
06:37:28,070 --> 06:37:38,250
The $13 million is paying out in expense, paying the contractor half of the amount of the building,

3187
06:37:38,250 --> 06:37:41,650
because it's a two year, basically a two year process.

3188
06:37:41,650 --> 06:37:52,570
If we didn't pay anything on the building next year, that would mean that we would have $13 million more than expenses shown in the budget.

3189
06:37:53,450 --> 06:38:03,250
Plus the eight that we show in the budget as a surplus or whatever we want to call it at the end of the year, net positive.

3190
06:38:03,250 --> 06:38:06,090
So the 11 and the 8 puts us at 19,

3191
06:38:08,800 --> 06:38:11,220
because we've saved 11 and we still have the 8.

3192
06:38:12,720 --> 06:38:13,060
So-

3193
06:38:13,060 --> 06:38:13,940
Last man that 11.

3194
06:38:14,760 --> 06:38:16,160
13 and then jump to 11.

3195
06:38:16,420 --> 06:38:20,900
Sorry, 13 and 8, I'm at 21 then.

3196
06:38:21,220 --> 06:38:27,720
Okay, so we got $21 at the end of the budget if we didn't pay anything, right?

3197
06:38:29,380 --> 06:38:36,260
But then we've got 25 that we accounted for that we're going to throw away.

3198
06:38:36,260 --> 06:38:38,320
Okay, so we're actually a deficit of four.

3199
06:38:41,050 --> 06:38:43,090
That comes back to your original question.

3200
06:38:43,170 --> 06:38:45,590
If we didn't have EMS-1 in here,

3201
06:38:46,990 --> 06:38:54,830
our operating budget the way we have it right now would show a $4 million deficit.

3202
06:38:55,130 --> 06:38:56,090
Because of the CLP.

3203
06:38:57,530 --> 06:38:59,450
No, I'm taking the CLP out.

3204
06:39:00,730 --> 06:39:02,890
CLP's out, EMS-1's out, totally.

3205
06:39:03,610 --> 06:39:10,290
I'm just trying to compare this year to next year's budget, because we didn't do a COP,

3206
06:39:10,430 --> 06:39:13,870
we didn't do any EMM, well we did a little bit of EMM, that's been not much, right?

3207
06:39:14,410 --> 06:39:25,930
So what I'm saying is that if we took the 25 out, okay, so now we had eight showing as a

3208
06:39:25,930 --> 06:39:29,370
positive at the end, we've taken that 25 out.

3209
06:39:29,370 --> 06:39:41,110
So now we have a negative 13, okay, but we're not spending 13 on building, so we're basically

3210
06:39:41,110 --> 06:39:41,450
easing.

3211
06:39:41,450 --> 06:39:42,430
I see what you're saying in here.

3212
06:39:42,430 --> 06:39:43,310
Am I right then?

3213
06:39:43,890 --> 06:39:44,010
Right.

3214
06:39:44,230 --> 06:39:47,010
So revenue and expenses without the building.

3215
06:39:47,370 --> 06:39:49,070
We'd have a $4 million deficit.

3216
06:39:49,310 --> 06:39:50,630
We're meant that's what I had at one point.

3217
06:39:50,930 --> 06:39:52,730
But I lost it somewhere there.

3218
06:39:52,890 --> 06:39:53,490
I see what you're saying.

3219
06:39:53,610 --> 06:39:55,250
That's a big difference from prior years.

3220
06:39:55,330 --> 06:39:57,230
Every year we've had surpluses.

3221
06:39:57,230 --> 06:39:59,650
If you're with a no-seal pee.

3222
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:29,900
And there's no last three budgets, one, but what do we miss? So we really, we're really doing something here. So hold on, I'm before I forget. So because of this, what Randy just said really actually makes a lot of sense. And, and maybe it's kind of an eye opener to what we're actually doing. But do we have to show. Aim it to the contractor. We're getting all this money in from the CLP. We have to show that, correct? We have to show that as rapid. Yes. Do we have to show that?

3223
06:40:29,900 --> 06:40:36,300
the contractor gets paid over a two-year period? What if we put it into 2025 and then didn't end up

3224
06:40:36,300 --> 06:40:42,680
paying it until 26? It balanced out the same year when you get the money in in some ways so I could

3225
06:40:42,680 --> 06:40:48,840
make that argument. Well the government accounting is more of a cash basis when you receive the cash,

3226
06:40:49,100 --> 06:40:53,020
when you sell those bonds, at revenues 25 million.

3227
06:40:55,660 --> 06:41:01,660
The contractor in 20, 8,000,000, that's an expense

3228
06:41:05,120 --> 06:41:05,560
I

3229
06:41:07,890 --> 06:41:14,410
get to pay him the whole show it in the budget to pay him two payments in 2024, I mean 2025.

3230
06:41:15,510 --> 06:41:22,690
Pay him 13 when he completes or does stuff in by the end of August or whatever, but show another payment.

3231
06:41:23,270 --> 06:41:26,770
It shows that it is equivalent to the money that's coming in.

3232
06:41:27,810 --> 06:41:31,750
I get it, it's not going to all happen all in one year, but why couldn't the budget show that?

3233
06:41:34,350 --> 06:41:35,890
Well, I'm trying to make it realistic.

3234
06:41:36,490 --> 06:41:38,070
Oh, there you go, closet.

3235
06:41:38,190 --> 06:41:39,390
There you go, now you're messing with it.

3236
06:41:39,390 --> 06:41:41,430
You're confusing me with common sense, dang it.

3237
06:41:42,030 --> 06:41:42,170
So.

3238
06:41:42,910 --> 06:41:43,850
We ask you this, sir.

3239
06:41:45,570 --> 06:41:47,790
I know we're not done with 24 yet, but

3240
06:41:49,150 --> 06:41:51,770
estimate what will finish 24 at in surplus?

3241
06:41:53,110 --> 06:41:56,450
I'm think about seven million is my estimate.

3242
06:41:56,830 --> 06:41:57,650
What the heck do we do?

3243
06:41:57,790 --> 06:42:02,190
Center of 522, which is, I mean we budgeted for

3244
06:42:02,190 --> 06:42:07,990
For these buildings this year, these projects this year, not happening this year.

3245
06:42:08,150 --> 06:42:12,930
We're getting that that's what's going on, basically rolling.

3246
06:42:13,970 --> 06:42:15,530
The 522 is how much?

3247
06:42:16,010 --> 06:42:16,570
4 million.

3248
06:42:17,550 --> 06:42:19,110
I'm seeing a shift of

3249
06:42:22,250 --> 06:42:24,410
really outsmiding ourselves right now.

3250
06:42:25,130 --> 06:42:29,550
Well, I'm just wondering, was it going to be spending a lot more in 24, forget the loan, forget?

3251
06:42:29,910 --> 06:42:32,490
Personnel, well, we can run through them, so go to the first.

3252
06:42:32,490 --> 06:42:40,030
go to the first very first right before yeah the overall very very very first

3253
06:42:40,030 --> 06:42:48,150
now is going up 2.9 million operating half million capital 1.5 million

3254
06:42:48,670 --> 06:42:51,390
do we do this this?

3255
06:43:01,370 --> 06:43:10,890
Okay, okay, so on the overall zero, okay, so if you go down to other

3256
06:43:15,600 --> 06:43:19,780
financial services under revenue, that's that's where that 25

3257
06:43:20,820 --> 06:43:29,960
million-dollar COP is, but just look at personnel granted that we didn't hit that budgeted amount

3258
06:43:29,960 --> 06:43:38,320
due to vacancy the year before, but our budgeted amount is going up 2.9 million.

3259
06:43:38,460 --> 06:43:42,240
The next one, operating expenses, are going up a half million.

3260
06:43:43,640 --> 06:43:48,020
Turn the page capital is going up 1.5 million.

3261
06:43:48,020 --> 06:43:49,060
And when

3262
06:43:51,580 --> 06:44:03,040
you get down to other financing for this, and this is a question for you, the 24 budget had 12.4 in there, and then the 25 budget has 4.2.

3263
06:44:05,100 --> 06:44:14,800
That's because of the interfund transfers that haven't, okay, are not shown in this yet until December, okay.

3264
06:44:14,800 --> 06:44:14,860
Okay.

3265
06:44:15,500 --> 06:44:26,040
You're showing some of them, we're showing $1,000,000 transfers to patch,

3266
06:44:28,270 --> 06:44:28,770
sheriff.

3267
06:44:29,530 --> 06:44:33,010
So that's going to have a direct impact on the

3268
06:44:35,180 --> 06:44:40,220
$8.3 million, going to decrease that.

3269
06:44:40,820 --> 06:44:41,060
Fun.

3270
06:44:45,550 --> 06:44:46,290
Should be a wash.

3271
06:44:46,870 --> 06:44:48,570
It will be a wash when we add them.

3272
06:44:48,570 --> 06:44:58,410
It has partial answering my question, he tallied up a clear $4.9 million of increased expenditures.

3273
06:44:58,410 --> 06:44:59,970
is that $5 million.

3274
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:27,540
A million, half of the carryover. Well, what we said, if you remove the COPs of that, totally you would be at $82,000,000 a revenue and $86,000,000 of expense for a negative $4,000,000 in the whole, which represents the increase to personnel operations in capital.

3275
06:45:27,540 --> 06:45:28,360
So

3276
06:45:32,130 --> 06:45:49,430
my big thing is that I get what you're saying about common sense of what you have to do for accounting purposes, but it almost makes no sense to me that borrowing money for a project makes it look like we have a huge bunch of revenue or huge bunch of surplus.

3277
06:45:50,970 --> 06:45:54,370
That's what it actually ends up doing in terms of what the budget looks like.

3278
06:45:55,790 --> 06:46:00,970
That's why I'm trying to be careful and explain to you, yes, you're going to have a surplus this year and a deficit.

3279
06:46:01,990 --> 06:46:03,970
26 by just going to be a huge deficit.

3280
06:46:07,570 --> 06:46:14,200
Okay, but we're also looking at this not from just an accounting standpoint.

3281
06:46:14,920 --> 06:46:17,800
To me, it makes perfect sense in terms of an accounting standpoint.

3282
06:46:17,920 --> 06:46:28,120
Yeah, it does, but the problem is, part, what this looks like to the public, looks like the public that we have an $8 million.

3283
06:46:28,120 --> 06:46:32,700
$1.00 surplus at the end of the year, and really we have a $4 million deficit.

3284
06:46:33,100 --> 06:46:33,260
Right.

3285
06:46:34,480 --> 06:46:35,640
That would be accurate.

3286
06:46:36,160 --> 06:46:37,120
If we exclude.

3287
06:46:37,860 --> 06:46:39,200
If we don't do the project.

3288
06:46:40,380 --> 06:46:45,740
Just the one project, if we don't do the EMS station one project, we have a $4 million deficit.

3289
06:46:45,860 --> 06:46:46,400
Would that be correct?

3290
06:46:46,920 --> 06:46:51,240
I think that's dangerous to go down that path because you're picking and choosing projects to talk about.

3291
06:46:51,500 --> 06:46:51,780
That's right.

3292
06:46:52,020 --> 06:46:54,720
You also have Kennedy Road $5.22 expense.

3293
06:46:54,720 --> 06:47:00,180
throw that out, and then we're only $500,000 off, and we could throw out the road and bridge shop, and then we've got a

3294
06:47:01,800 --> 06:47:02,600
two point.

3295
06:47:02,740 --> 06:47:04,480
It's just then you're back to the positive.

3296
06:47:04,740 --> 06:47:05,200
Five plus, right.

3297
06:47:05,500 --> 06:47:10,160
Well, it's just an interesting conundrum, because in your own personal life, when you take out, when you take in debt,

3298
06:47:10,980 --> 06:47:13,740
then you show it as revenue,

3299
06:47:14,740 --> 06:47:16,660
it just doesn't make any common sense.

3300
06:47:16,980 --> 06:47:21,580
One way you might want to look at it is operating budget.

3301
06:47:21,580 --> 06:47:27,340
it. And they got all the capital expenditures.

3302
06:47:29,660 --> 06:47:35,560
They take out the loan that's used for capital

3303
06:47:35,560 --> 06:47:40,120
purchases, how much money's coming in, and then how much money are we spending on just

3304
06:47:40,120 --> 06:47:48,380
on operations, not buying road graders or building a building. And we have an operating surplus.

3305
06:47:48,380 --> 06:47:57,580
plus. Then capital side of your budget is where you're borrowing money and for your capital

3306
06:47:57,580 --> 06:48:04,720
and there'll be a surplus this year for capital and a deficit next year for capital.

3307
06:48:08,140 --> 06:48:13,120
I completely understand and agree with what you just said just that it doesn't really

3308
06:48:13,120 --> 06:48:14,160
show that on here.

3309
06:48:17,230 --> 06:48:21,770
It shows it in your mind and it's all mixed together and you sorted out

3310
06:48:21,770 --> 06:48:25,830
your mind. Yeah. Yeah. But other people looking at this wouldn't.

3311
06:48:29,120 --> 06:48:30,260
That's the conundrum.

3312
06:48:30,580 --> 06:48:38,760
We just share with the public that the accounting standards make it look like we have an

3313
06:48:38,760 --> 06:48:45,440
extra million dollars next year when the reality is we are decreasing our reserves by four million.

3314
06:48:45,440 --> 06:48:49,140
and we should be able to communicate that.

3315
06:48:52,860 --> 06:48:56,040
8th, do that last year operating

3316
06:49:00,490 --> 06:49:08,370
budget, it was in 2023, because there was a $6 million deficit we had, and a

3317
06:49:11,410 --> 06:49:12,490
lot of that was

3318
06:49:15,240 --> 06:49:17,240
capital that we had.

3319
06:49:17,240 --> 06:49:20,080
We did, we caught up on a bunch of paving, I think.

3320
06:49:20,560 --> 06:49:25,480
Well, but the actual in 2023 was at 8.75.

3321
06:49:25,860 --> 06:49:27,480
Because we didn't do one projects.

3322
06:49:27,940 --> 06:49:28,060
Right.

3323
06:49:29,220 --> 06:49:32,520
That we budgeted for 13 million in capital that year.

3324
06:49:34,400 --> 06:49:34,880
And

3325
06:49:40,580 --> 06:49:43,320
whether we'll get to that next year, is anybody's guess?

3326
06:49:44,680 --> 06:49:46,920
We're on track to at least get the wetland.

3327
06:49:48,000 --> 06:49:52,560
And we have to get the land and then we have to get started on the project.

3328
06:49:52,560 --> 06:49:59,400
It's going to freeze and then you're always going to start the project late in the year when the water table is the lowest anyway.

3329
06:50:00,400 --> 06:50:02,060
From a construction standpoint.

3330
06:50:04,220 --> 06:50:09,860
Yeah, it's just, you know, it's like the Red Dirt Hill project next year.

3331
06:50:18,770 --> 06:50:25,210
It's not for like a triangle. I'm not being critical. No, we're just trying to understand how we're working hard on this stuff.

3332
06:50:28,550 --> 06:50:43,680
I think we accomplished a lot in looking to macro with this budget reality is, you know, mentally doing this rabbit hole. Did we stop on? We did at 22. Z or something? Where were we at? Do we need to review anymore?

3333
06:50:43,680 --> 06:50:44,720
Where are we fully?

3334
06:50:44,880 --> 06:50:48,260
You have more commissioner budgets to go through.

3335
06:50:48,260 --> 06:50:50,000
Let me go through those guys and can I get through it?

3336
06:50:50,100 --> 06:50:50,680
Let's keep going.

3337
06:50:50,840 --> 06:50:51,300
Let's keep going.

3338
06:50:51,560 --> 06:50:52,180
Let's keep going.

3339
06:50:53,980 --> 06:50:58,580
Well, that derailed and we started talking about the certificate

3340
06:50:59,400 --> 06:50:59,880
participation.

3341
06:51:00,380 --> 06:51:02,700
Because that shows up in the commissioner's budget.

3342
06:51:04,400 --> 06:51:05,900
It wasn't a complete derailment.

3343
06:51:06,540 --> 06:51:09,380
We've got that in there is $25 million.

3344
06:51:10,480 --> 06:51:11,460
question was,

3345
06:51:14,680 --> 06:51:20,680
they might be more accurate to borrow $22 million because of the potential

3346
06:51:20,680 --> 06:51:22,180
of $4 million in grants,

3347
06:51:25,620 --> 06:51:28,460
far or less we can make it lower.

3348
06:51:30,650 --> 06:51:39,390
Yeah, we just need to work at that one, so I like the idea of $22, we'll do the valuation

3349
06:51:39,390 --> 06:51:43,470
if we accept the three, I don't know, the same strings on the one from Dolla.

3350
06:51:45,490 --> 06:52:08,610
Before we make a decision based on just that analysis, I would like to add a factor of like, there may be a future CDS in 2027, that's exactly a building construction and maybe something that when we accept the money, there's not a bunch of construction strings that cause a price to go up and if we turn this back after all that work, I don't think a delegation is going to be all that energized to help us in 2027.

3351
06:52:08,610 --> 06:52:10,630
And it comes close to breaking even.

3352
06:52:10,770 --> 06:52:11,770
That'd be inclined to take this money.

3353
06:52:12,150 --> 06:52:12,550
Absolutely.

3354
06:52:12,910 --> 06:52:14,550
Be careful, don't do it for construction again.

3355
06:52:14,830 --> 06:52:17,970
But something else might be CDS or that.

3356
06:52:18,510 --> 06:52:22,450
So this is, I'm going to throw another wrench in this.

3357
06:52:22,650 --> 06:52:28,650
And that is that if we borrow as much as we can on this EMS building,

3358
06:52:29,890 --> 06:52:35,790
it allows us to fund, maybe entirely, the EMS station,

3359
06:52:35,790 --> 06:52:44,650
And I'm sorry, the road and bridge station without having to have another COP saves us three hundred and some thousand dollars.

3360
06:52:48,130 --> 06:52:56,250
Right. So if we if we get all of our money and we've got to pay interest on it, right. But but if we get all.

3361
06:52:56,370 --> 06:52:57,950
It's also any interest if we leave it in there.

3362
06:52:59,190 --> 06:53:03,500
Get all the money that we can anyhow.

3363
06:53:03,500 --> 06:53:09,240
Yeah, we're thinking about maybe it should be 27 that we're borrowing or 30.

3364
06:53:09,980 --> 06:53:14,440
So obviously that won't let you do the full amount of the project.

3365
06:53:14,580 --> 06:53:19,240
That's where Curtis was originally is borrowing more than 5 out of the 26.

3366
06:53:20,220 --> 06:53:20,520
Okay.

3367
06:53:20,620 --> 06:53:21,920
I'm in for a make a change.

3368
06:53:22,340 --> 06:53:23,540
I think maybe so.

3369
06:53:24,200 --> 06:53:24,380
Okay.

3370
06:53:24,380 --> 06:53:39,260
Okay, so the only reason we dropped it down to 22 was I get those, so we would either backfill with successful grants or unbalance.

3371
06:53:42,870 --> 06:53:43,870
We'll think about that.

3372
06:53:44,050 --> 06:53:44,290
We know.

3373
06:53:44,470 --> 06:53:46,110
Yeah, 25 is where it is right now.

3374
06:53:46,130 --> 06:53:51,610
But you're saying I thought we dropped it because we don't want to, and it's a timing situation, right?

3375
06:53:51,610 --> 06:53:59,290
So the timing situation is, we're going to be working on this November, December to fund in March.

3376
06:53:59,770 --> 06:54:06,030
We won't know Dola until July, June,

3377
06:54:08,150 --> 06:54:09,890
end of June, okay?

3378
06:54:11,090 --> 06:54:12,790
So we won't know on that.

3379
06:54:12,790 --> 06:54:23,870
And then we really won't know on CDS until probably in the first quarter and then when it funds.

3380
06:54:28,220 --> 06:54:43,520
So that was one of the reasons why we had the discussion on Thursday about let's pull back to 22 to have that wiggle room in there.

3381
06:54:43,520 --> 06:54:50,840
what happens if you borrow 25 on a 26 million dollar project and then you get a

3382
06:54:50,840 --> 06:54:54,480
grant and then you get another grant that's the whole point what I mean what

3383
06:54:54,480 --> 06:54:59,580
happened we can't we can't go back and unbarrow once it's funded we can't reduce the

3384
06:54:59,580 --> 06:54:59,960
I'm out of it.

3385
06:55:00,680 --> 06:55:29,640
I'm not sure you can do that. That's the dilemma. When I was talking to our advisors about having grants, they said, oh, we got to talk to the bond council. They want to look at it hard, because he telling the lenders, we're not getting a grant. We want all of your money to build this thing. And then if we get a grant and accept it and their strings attached,

3386
06:55:29,640 --> 06:55:31,960
I think the bond cancel is concerned.

3387
06:55:32,180 --> 06:55:45,620
They want to put words in that bond issue so that the people lend in the money know, hey this building's going to be your collateral, but there's strings attached because of the grant.

3388
06:55:46,320 --> 06:55:51,180
I mean, it all has to be disclosed, I'm not sure.

3389
06:55:51,180 --> 06:55:53,700
So you can't borrow until you know what the grant is.

3390
06:55:54,500 --> 06:55:56,580
I think it's the grant, you know, not Mr. Barrow.

3391
06:55:58,700 --> 06:56:04,160
But I would think the prudent thing for us to do might be to not borrow money

3392
06:56:06,850 --> 06:56:07,890
or just

3393
06:56:08,790 --> 06:56:11,150
borrow it all and not pursue those grants.

3394
06:56:12,210 --> 06:56:20,590
I don't think you can have it both ways, but borrow all the money and get the grants out

3395
06:56:24,140 --> 06:56:24,640
of those boxes.

3396
06:56:24,640 --> 06:56:26,960
Which grants have the worst strings attached?

3397
06:56:28,660 --> 06:56:31,600
They're pretty stringent if USDA.

3398
06:56:37,220 --> 06:56:47,200
There's also a risk of, see, borrow 22, if we get the foreign grants, the strings make it go from 26 to 28.

3399
06:56:48,900 --> 06:56:49,760
Sure happened.

3400
06:56:49,920 --> 06:56:51,000
We only have 22 borrowed.

3401
06:56:51,660 --> 06:56:53,980
Then we just have to cover out of fund balance.

3402
06:56:54,120 --> 06:56:56,260
We don't cover four, we cover six.

3403
06:56:56,640 --> 06:56:56,720
Yeah.

3404
06:56:56,720 --> 06:57:00,460
Well, we'd have two million more in expenses.

3405
06:57:00,460 --> 06:57:06,760
We'd give you getting the grants and getting that money in is what's going to increase

3406
06:57:06,760 --> 06:57:07,320
the cost.

3407
06:57:07,700 --> 06:57:07,720
Yeah.

3408
06:57:08,160 --> 06:57:08,260
Yeah.

3409
06:57:08,600 --> 06:57:15,860
But to your point, it is absolutely real that it could add 15% that

3410
06:57:21,200 --> 06:57:23,220
15% is covered by the

3411
06:57:23,220 --> 06:57:23,600
grant.

3412
06:57:23,600 --> 06:57:23,600
It takes

3413
06:57:26,930 --> 06:57:28,910
a 3.9 o'clock.

3414
06:57:29,150 --> 06:57:29,370
Yeah.

3415
06:57:29,590 --> 06:57:31,250
It's back with the grant amounts.

3416
06:57:31,650 --> 06:57:32,590
My mother.

3417
06:57:33,970 --> 06:57:35,210
It was 50%.

3418
06:57:35,210 --> 06:57:35,870
Are we 100K?

3419
06:57:36,230 --> 06:57:36,990
More than the grant.

3420
06:57:37,450 --> 06:57:38,510
More than that one grant.

3421
06:57:38,890 --> 06:57:39,930
They caused it.

3422
06:57:40,590 --> 06:57:40,910
Yeah.

3423
06:57:41,410 --> 06:57:42,330
Because the other one.

3424
06:57:42,690 --> 06:57:43,310
Well, I don't know.

3425
06:57:43,570 --> 06:57:44,110
Those same stuff.

3426
06:57:44,390 --> 06:57:44,710
Okay.

3427
06:57:45,110 --> 06:57:45,290
Okay.

3428
06:57:45,610 --> 06:57:47,230
Are we moving along?

3429
06:57:47,470 --> 06:57:48,190
We should move along.

3430
06:57:48,350 --> 06:57:48,750
Because we could.

3431
06:57:49,230 --> 06:57:50,630
We got to think about this overnight.

3432
06:57:50,870 --> 06:57:50,990
Yeah.

3433
06:57:51,790 --> 06:57:53,270
So, professional services.

3434
06:57:53,870 --> 06:57:55,710
Shumps from 30 to 65K.

3435
06:57:55,710 --> 06:57:55,790
Okay.

3436
06:57:58,710 --> 06:58:00,990
What did we add in there for you?

3437
06:58:02,030 --> 06:58:03,550
What number are we on?

3438
06:58:04,630 --> 06:58:06,090
H2, fourth line note.

3439
06:58:06,870 --> 06:58:07,710
Personal service.

3440
06:58:07,970 --> 06:58:08,350
H2?

3441
06:58:09,110 --> 06:58:09,830
ODA.

3442
06:58:10,130 --> 06:58:11,210
Facility use audit.

3443
06:58:12,110 --> 06:58:12,530
It's a correct.

3444
06:58:13,730 --> 06:58:14,930
Energy audit.

3445
06:58:15,630 --> 06:58:21,890
You're lobbyists and employee appreciation, summer picnic.

3446
06:58:24,880 --> 06:58:25,680
Question of faith.

3447
06:58:37,820 --> 06:58:40,300
I'm good with all those things, it's

3448
06:58:43,980 --> 06:58:46,800
tight, we might have to cancel the picnic, but I'm

3449
06:58:46,800 --> 06:58:48,960
no more lobbyists, but those

3450
06:58:59,620 --> 06:59:01,960
two are, what's the third one?

3451
06:59:04,240 --> 06:59:11,800
Facility use audit, energy audit, lobbyists, facility use audit, and energy audit.

3452
06:59:11,800 --> 06:59:18,850
But it's facility use audit is base,

3453
06:59:21,360 --> 06:59:23,720
the shell game, one of the many.

3454
06:59:24,240 --> 06:59:30,180
Okay, we're saving lots of money in our audit fees compared to what we budgeted last year.

3455
06:59:42,720 --> 06:59:48,480
Last year we were going out for RFP and we weren't sure exactly what the fees were.

3456
06:59:50,340 --> 06:59:53,580
It just let back for the 25th budget to a 3L of E.

3457
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:03,460
10 grand increase in the professional fees, tech.

3458
07:00:06,180 --> 07:00:31,960
So that is the appeals module for handling all of the BoE appeals that come in. We moved to Spatialist program. This year they have another module that actually has a whole lot more functionality, but it was not ready to roll out when we were looking at different products, to handle the appeals. So that other module would be

3459
07:00:34,000 --> 07:00:43,880
Well, it's $34,000, but what we did was split that between the BOE and the assessor's office.

3460
07:00:44,400 --> 07:00:48,620
But part of that $34,000 is a $10,000 implementation fee.

3461
07:00:49,240 --> 07:00:51,060
So that would be a one time charge.

3462
07:00:52,340 --> 07:00:53,040
Okay,

3463
07:00:56,400 --> 07:01:02,540
I'll discuss the CCAT line real quick, please, because we did a budget 6,000 for 24.

3464
07:01:02,540 --> 07:01:25,500
4, we were honorable, I looked at the do structure and they didn't invoice us correctly, it's supposed to be on population, if you're above 15,000 population, you're supposed to be paying 15, so we corrected that in the actuals for 24, that's why the actuals 15, so the 6, and it's 15, 6 going forward, that's what our population is, that's the do structure, and we are right on the line, it's kind of frustrating, but

3465
07:01:26,740 --> 07:01:32,180
So, other person, gosh, it's what it goes out to, I guess.

3466
07:01:32,960 --> 07:01:41,040
All those other dues, COG, general COG, QQ, CCA, all these are based on different forms

3467
07:01:41,040 --> 07:01:41,600
of information.

3468
07:01:41,600 --> 07:01:46,140
You guys either afforded us, or we've contacted them, etc.

3469
07:01:48,580 --> 07:01:50,600
COG is costing us over 50K.

3470
07:01:51,140 --> 07:01:51,480
I do know.

3471
07:01:52,740 --> 07:01:53,420
Obviously expensive.

3472
07:02:04,690 --> 07:02:05,950
Water lawyers always in the oil.

3473
07:02:07,590 --> 07:02:11,810
I would split those up into cute, cute and then congeneral.

3474
07:02:12,370 --> 07:02:13,250
Yeah, they are.

3475
07:02:13,510 --> 07:02:14,410
The arrow didn't give two to run my truck.

3476
07:02:14,410 --> 07:02:15,610
Cute, cute is 25k.

3477
07:02:15,910 --> 07:02:16,230
I know.

3478
07:02:17,670 --> 07:02:18,230
I've each.

3479
07:02:19,430 --> 07:02:20,250
One and not the other.

3480
07:02:20,370 --> 07:02:21,570
I thought this was kind of a thing you can't do.

3481
07:02:22,070 --> 07:02:23,650
Cute, cute, if you're not regular.

3482
07:02:25,510 --> 07:02:26,190
That's cute, cute?

3483
07:02:29,910 --> 07:02:32,690
I mean, it might be, when we more out of CCI at ZCAD, then.

3484
07:02:32,830 --> 07:02:34,250
Oh, about 20,000, 25,000.

3485
07:02:38,790 --> 07:02:42,490
That's crazy cheap.

3486
07:02:46,110 --> 07:02:47,890
CCS put a glance, but it's only 2K.

3487
07:02:50,010 --> 07:02:53,990
I seem to me, I asked Ed about it.

3488
07:02:55,090 --> 07:02:58,090
I thought we, this is like deja vu.

3489
07:02:58,250 --> 07:03:00,250
I thought we had the same discussion last year.

3490
07:03:01,210 --> 07:03:02,250
Or the same discussion.

3491
07:03:02,430 --> 07:03:05,250
Well, when I brought to you what their new race were going to be.

3492
07:03:05,250 --> 07:03:17,940
Yeah, I think that we were getting some benefit out of cog that much thanks to the 26 K we just

3493
07:03:19,100 --> 07:03:21,520
But what if we kept that 50k

3494
07:03:22,680 --> 07:03:25,560
Fire just as much as good loyering as the QQs give us

3495
07:03:26,840 --> 07:03:29,060
Our lawyers are

3496
07:03:40,100 --> 07:03:43,620
Still cheaper than Clepio, but how many counties are in QQ?

3497
07:03:46,760 --> 07:04:00,900
Well, in QQ and Northwest Cog, it's not only counties, but it's municipality, so when I go to a meeting, there's, depending on what it is, there's a lot of people there, not so much with Cog, but definitely with QQ.

3498
07:04:05,090 --> 07:04:10,590
Elevator inspections out the wazoo, they do elevator inspections, but we contracted with somebody different, right?

3499
07:04:10,590 --> 07:04:24,950
Well, we contract for our own professional company to repair our elevators and do maintenance on them, and then Northwest Cog is that's who the state agencies is through the inspections to inspect them.

3500
07:04:24,950 --> 07:04:25,330
Yeah,

3501
07:04:33,730 --> 07:04:39,150
and he might you be able to email just because you've been a primary lead to them anyone who's could do this

3502
07:04:39,150 --> 07:04:43,910
But maybe it's on their website, but John Snappney, can you give us the last three years?

3503
07:04:45,230 --> 07:04:47,670
Budget was several budget two million for

3504
07:04:49,010 --> 07:04:49,430
members

3505
07:04:50,630 --> 07:04:51,470
Public available

3506
07:04:56,300 --> 07:04:57,560
Any staff to they have

3507
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:08,180
This would be, it's about as confusing as a county budget, right? Because they have various enterprises like Thor, right?

3508
07:05:10,580 --> 07:05:31,580
They've got an energy efficiency thing. They've got people going around putting insulation and disadvantaged folks homes in a whole variety of different programs, area agency on aging. Oh, yes, they all hazards emergency management region now is under cog and

3509
07:05:31,580 --> 07:05:37,460
It's not a separate entity for elevators.

3510
07:05:37,880 --> 07:05:40,780
What does the most recent health care coalition do?

3511
07:05:48,060 --> 07:05:50,840
We're not going to solve it now, but that's just kind of staggering.

3512
07:05:51,820 --> 07:05:53,260
That is very staggering.

3513
07:05:53,840 --> 07:05:56,080
Economic fault, my district.

3514
07:05:57,980 --> 07:05:59,560
Yeah, they do economic.

3515
07:06:01,100 --> 07:06:02,680
We make it a grant.

3516
07:06:02,960 --> 07:06:05,340
I mean, that whole thing was applied through the call.

3517
07:06:05,580 --> 07:06:07,220
That's a difficult charging grant.

3518
07:06:07,220 --> 07:06:09,500
I am butlers. I think she

3519
07:06:18,490 --> 07:06:22,530
I'm telling all of our dues real quick here CCI 17,000

3520
07:06:29,020 --> 07:06:31,780
Acoboy only pay four fifty to nico staggering

3521
07:06:40,650 --> 07:06:41,470
That's 15

3522
07:06:41,470 --> 07:06:42,190
Six

3523
07:06:45,400 --> 07:06:46,620
As is 800

3524
07:06:51,840 --> 07:06:54,260
EG and C. I don't know Mary 8,000

3525
07:06:58,840 --> 07:07:01,840
Grand Places 2050 well, that's not really a dues thing

3526
07:07:02,520 --> 07:07:11,090
All right, well I got 93,000 and I would lad I would add the lobbyists we have into that kind of category of stuff

3527
07:07:11,090 --> 07:07:16,770
It's kind of not exactly an association, but it's 1,500 a month is it now?

3528
07:07:23,590 --> 07:07:24,910
15,000 a month.

3529
07:07:27,470 --> 07:07:34,210
1,000, so you never kind of pay in $111,000, really $12,000 for this stuff.

3530
07:07:36,640 --> 07:07:38,300
I admit it adds up, we've grown it.

3531
07:07:38,660 --> 07:07:42,740
You know, I've asked a joint C cat, and we asked a joint cast.

3532
07:07:44,080 --> 07:07:45,520
Mary, yes, joint agency.

3533
07:07:45,660 --> 07:07:46,820
I asked a joint agency.

3534
07:07:46,820 --> 07:07:52,700
I mean, it's, I really, we're not, we're not technically even really up to

3535
07:07:56,990 --> 07:08:04,010
value in their legislative updates, for sure, I think, really good job putting out those summaries.

3536
07:08:04,010 --> 07:08:06,050
I agree, but we're getting some in here now.

3537
07:08:07,010 --> 07:08:07,410
OK.

3538
07:08:12,880 --> 07:08:14,560
Lure, we're getting them with.

3539
07:08:18,920 --> 07:08:19,320
Ask.

3540
07:08:20,320 --> 07:08:20,980
A little bit.

3541
07:08:21,100 --> 07:08:21,300
A little bit.

3542
07:08:21,300 --> 07:08:22,080
It'll follow all the same.

3543
07:08:22,640 --> 07:08:23,040
I

3544
07:08:26,520 --> 07:08:29,260
think it's very similar to what agency tracks and CC I track.

3545
07:08:30,980 --> 07:08:33,000
That does it all to the CKAT kind of says.

3546
07:08:33,780 --> 07:08:35,140
It has that CCI has.

3547
07:08:35,220 --> 07:08:37,280
It's going to focus a little more narrowly in CKAT.

3548
07:08:37,340 --> 07:08:38,220
And Club County does too.

3549
07:08:38,320 --> 07:08:39,400
It's more it's less.

3550
07:08:39,940 --> 07:08:42,120
Let's place out on the table. That's a hundred bucks or a thousand.

3551
07:08:42,300 --> 07:08:44,180
Yeah, that's 20 to stand. That's so cheap.

3552
07:08:44,820 --> 07:08:51,220
But these other ones, yikes, that's 800. That's also, I think, off the table. That's

3553
07:08:51,220 --> 07:08:54,500
really cheap. When one trip to a conference, you know, a customer.

3554
07:08:56,610 --> 07:08:58,850
So the big three are

3555
07:08:58,850 --> 07:09:06,190
Cog, CCI, CECA, agency, agency's the lowest of all of those. I think

3556
07:09:11,470 --> 07:09:12,250
we get our money's worth

3557
07:09:12,250 --> 07:09:17,530
out of CCI. Yeah, I agree. That's coming up. You can't. I mean, there are a lot more service

3558
07:09:17,530 --> 07:09:19,790
that are directly supporting you.

3559
07:09:22,480 --> 07:09:25,520
I agree. They're the primary county association for sure.

3560
07:09:28,400 --> 07:09:29,400
I'm completely convinced.

3561
07:09:33,060 --> 07:09:35,960
Yeah, I'm not convinced. I agree.

3562
07:09:42,640 --> 07:09:44,920
Well, I did be all know QQ's definitely

3563
07:09:44,920 --> 07:09:49,140
something. I mean, if we could do QQ without cog, that's what we should do.

3564
07:10:00,020 --> 07:10:04,800
Think about a few of the things that we've received from them at whole housing report deal.

3565
07:10:07,520 --> 07:10:10,440
That's public, right? What is it?

3566
07:10:12,460 --> 07:10:29,160
It's a survey. It's not a survey. Yeah. I don't know. They do put out reports and things like maybe we're not. Maybe we're not utilizing them enough. Should we hire their FTE to read all the reports and keep us updated on that?

3567
07:10:29,160 --> 07:10:31,320
It's up today that all these groups we belong to.

3568
07:10:31,320 --> 07:10:33,340
Another 140 kilotublilist.

3569
07:10:33,800 --> 07:10:36,000
Well, we'll explore a little bit about that.

3570
07:10:36,000 --> 07:10:37,260
I can leave it alone, I guess, from the car.

3571
07:10:38,560 --> 07:10:42,000
I haven't been to an agency actual in-person media for it.

3572
07:10:43,700 --> 07:10:47,160
Yeah, I mean, I feel we get, we're pretty involved

3573
07:10:47,160 --> 07:10:49,020
in the C-Cat, I'm going to pin you into the field.

3574
07:10:49,080 --> 07:10:49,400
You are.

3575
07:10:50,180 --> 07:10:51,880
Well, we're up to the R.

3576
07:10:52,220 --> 07:10:55,760
We're up to the R. We don't have to produce for that.

3577
07:10:56,400 --> 07:10:57,780
I know, but I'm just putting out.

3578
07:10:58,660 --> 07:11:03,020
is my involvement. I think I just think kind of listening to the updates are awesome.

3579
07:11:03,200 --> 07:11:09,200
They're seriously are. And I like to be associations, there's power in membership, there's power in numbers.

3580
07:11:09,340 --> 07:11:15,700
I like to support a, I love the agency's mission. I love what agency does. As far as what we really get, I don't know if we can be

3581
07:11:19,900 --> 07:11:24,660
think C-Cat and then placement might think cut C-Cat as they evaluate.

3582
07:11:24,660 --> 07:11:30,380
Yeah, so when are these, when are these do's already paid them? Oh, yeah, when for next series?

3583
07:11:31,560 --> 07:11:33,340
They end of the years when they're due

3584
07:11:38,160 --> 07:11:38,560
2025

3585
07:11:45,720 --> 07:11:49,880
I'd say I'd say for now, let's leave them in there

3586
07:11:50,420 --> 07:11:55,000
Maybe you guys make it so for 26 when when that bill comes through

3587
07:11:56,880 --> 07:11:59,120
Bring it up again before we pay

3588
07:12:15,580 --> 07:12:20,580
We did. We just don't see it all right there. It relates to the other ones. We haven't paid Cog. Yeah.

3589
07:12:27,370 --> 07:12:29,250
I'm sorry, the renewals.

3590
07:12:30,390 --> 07:12:38,690
Yes, we paid in 24. All these are paid for 24. 24 to use paid in 24. I think through a new date through at the end of the year.

3591
07:12:41,430 --> 07:12:45,430
I'm not sure. I have to pull that back. I don't know. I'm digging there.

3592
07:12:53,620 --> 07:12:57,820
I guess we leave them alone for now but hey

3593
07:13:09,440 --> 07:13:13,950
three move on absolutely sir that's

3594
07:13:13,950 --> 07:13:18,890
an interesting point do you want to have John

3595
07:13:23,950 --> 07:13:29,090
gave me come I mean and I mean explain

3596
07:13:29,090 --> 07:13:35,630
maybe we might learn what to track better what reports to follow better how can we get

3597
07:13:35,630 --> 07:13:39,070
I bet he'll eloquently make it sound pretty darn amazing like yeah

3598
07:13:39,070 --> 07:13:44,610
We need to tell him ask him how can we get our money's worth out of that dude

3599
07:13:45,270 --> 07:13:49,930
That might yeah, then we kind of no better what to follow what to ask about what to do

3600
07:13:50,710 --> 07:13:55,510
Rospit's a thing in my opinion. I just don't I don't have the bandwidth to go be active in cog

3601
07:13:57,720 --> 07:13:59,680
I don't must do I

3602
07:14:02,400 --> 07:14:03,380
get on the weekly

3603
07:14:04,220 --> 07:14:08,280
Legislative session calls with agency and they're very useful tracking bills

3604
07:14:09,340 --> 07:14:16,580
I'll say it again, I mean, Eagle County was bigger than us, they finally met sure, fought, fought, and he got his two fellow commissioners to agree for next year.

3605
07:14:17,160 --> 07:14:18,360
Well, they're ever telling the job right now.

3606
07:14:19,100 --> 07:14:21,000
A full-time policy person on staff.

3607
07:14:21,760 --> 07:14:28,220
We may not be ready for that yet, but that might be a way that policy person can bring all the value of Cog.

3608
07:14:29,680 --> 07:14:35,320
I don't think we're ready for that yet, but maybe in the future that's the way to squeeze the value out of all this.

3609
07:14:35,320 --> 07:14:35,520
this.

3610
07:14:39,080 --> 07:14:39,440
Right.

3611
07:14:39,540 --> 07:14:39,840
Yes, sir.

3612
07:14:40,380 --> 07:14:41,520
And the do's are probably hiring.

3613
07:14:41,740 --> 07:14:44,580
I think they were excited because Jackson was going to come back in.

3614
07:14:45,880 --> 07:14:47,160
Brought, came back in.

3615
07:14:48,680 --> 07:14:49,080
Yeah.

3616
07:14:55,060 --> 07:14:56,580
I worship they couldn't reduce the dues.

3617
07:14:57,520 --> 07:14:59,140
Let's just do it every other year.

3618
07:14:59,520 --> 07:14:59,940
Join up.

3619
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:29,280
Any other year, we're calling. They have our money. True. And they court us the other years. Yeah. We've been completely dropped over the radar every other year. Let's, let's keep going here. Anything else in that budget, we need to be alert to add anything else on this budget. We're trying to figure out why there's zero goose. I see that we've made payments. So.

3620
07:15:29,280 --> 07:15:34,700
So it probably just didn't get booked right place in 23.

3621
07:15:43,880 --> 07:15:45,400
Is it supposed to have a dues structure?

3622
07:15:48,120 --> 07:15:48,320
Okay.

3623
07:15:49,160 --> 07:15:50,540
That's actually a dues structure.

3624
07:15:50,680 --> 07:15:52,180
That's just what we've been paying.

3625
07:15:54,040 --> 07:15:56,540
Well, like a formalized dues structure.

3626
07:15:57,700 --> 07:16:02,180
We've never paid them, apparently, just doesn't show that we have.

3627
07:16:03,660 --> 07:16:05,820
Every zero, every actual is zero.

3628
07:16:05,820 --> 07:16:06,380
I should

3629
07:16:11,280 --> 07:16:12,900
have showed up in a different place.

3630
07:16:15,480 --> 07:16:15,760
Correct.

3631
07:16:17,340 --> 07:16:26,300
And I think it's the last mayor manager's meeting direction was go ahead and budget for it next year.

3632
07:16:26,920 --> 07:16:28,700
There's a survey that just went out.

3633
07:16:28,860 --> 07:16:29,120
You should.

3634
07:16:38,710 --> 07:16:41,130
Mayor may not not happen next year.

3635
07:16:43,960 --> 07:16:45,680
Item in the building.

3636
07:16:45,680 --> 07:16:56,080
$13 million, $50,000, that I'd put in $50,000 thinking that's what it was costing us to do, the $5

3637
07:17:00,180 --> 07:17:00,600
,000.

3638
07:17:01,680 --> 07:17:06,700
13 pieces of that, yeah, yeah, $3,000, $3,000, $5

3639
07:17:12,080 --> 07:17:17,960
,000 for the buildings.

3640
07:17:17,960 --> 07:17:18,320
Let's

3641
07:17:34,960 --> 07:17:45,480
look at the bottom line of that budget shows a $10 million surplus but keep in mind the $25 million coming in, not

3642
07:17:51,010 --> 07:17:57,530
for that $25 would be a negative $15, although there's the $13 to $13 come back out.

3643
07:17:57,530 --> 07:18:07,990
But it's going to be, it was, you know, at 1.8 to the 22 actual, 2.8 to 23 actual, right about 2.3 million have been prior years.

3644
07:18:08,110 --> 07:18:14,290
I don't think anything, I haven't been joined or associations that are breaking the bank, because it's right around what it's typically closted.

3645
07:18:14,710 --> 07:18:16,030
The wild numbers are at the CLP.

3646
07:18:18,190 --> 07:18:18,930
Excuse me.

3647
07:18:19,550 --> 07:18:22,670
I think we're dealing with 20 B with the 220 C, Mr. Chair.

3648
07:18:23,230 --> 07:18:24,150
I believe so.

3649
07:18:24,750 --> 07:18:25,090
Ed?

3650
07:18:25,090 --> 07:18:28,610
Yes, CTF, that's just money in, money out.

3651
07:18:29,090 --> 07:18:30,150
Oh, double twenty-see.

3652
07:18:30,210 --> 07:18:32,030
When does the CTF money come in?

3653
07:18:35,120 --> 07:18:36,080
That someone's going to do it.

3654
07:18:36,220 --> 07:18:37,940
Just kind of periodically through that.

3655
07:18:38,440 --> 07:18:38,780
Quarterly?

3656
07:18:38,840 --> 07:18:39,200
Quarterly.

3657
07:18:39,560 --> 07:18:40,020
Yeah, quarterly.

3658
07:18:40,060 --> 07:18:40,560
Quarterly.

3659
07:18:40,800 --> 07:18:41,380
It's quarterly.

3660
07:18:51,560 --> 07:18:52,880
Thirty-perly with anger.

3661
07:18:53,600 --> 07:18:57,700
Here's, um, 64, like, almost 20 grand.

3662
07:18:58,080 --> 07:18:58,280
A quarter.

3663
07:19:03,020 --> 07:19:03,900
186,000.

3664
07:19:03,900 --> 07:19:04,380
That's spent.

3665
07:19:04,580 --> 07:19:05,260
Fun balance.

3666
07:19:08,360 --> 07:19:09,320
186,000.

3667
07:19:10,640 --> 07:19:12,640
How that's divided between the three of you?

3668
07:19:15,120 --> 07:19:17,800
We should always do a third on that I think we should be right now.

3669
07:19:18,500 --> 07:19:20,800
We're back to even, we're going to even it out right now.

3670
07:19:20,880 --> 07:19:22,180
I'm kidding, of course I've low estimate.

3671
07:19:25,700 --> 07:19:28,620
This is 20 deep because it is.

3672
07:19:28,720 --> 07:19:29,100
Hey,

3673
07:19:31,530 --> 07:19:31,990
do

3674
07:19:36,280 --> 07:19:40,320
you have 18, yeah, so that budget's good, employee health insurance fund.

3675
07:19:40,780 --> 07:19:48,160
Okay, final answer for point one, it's good, yes, yes.

3676
07:19:48,160 --> 07:19:52,800
Okay, I'm currently asking this no

3677
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:31,010
Oh, it's- We didn't get a report back from the peak board meeting on our requested- Our fees, they want to keep $10 per member so that a kind of associates with peak in any- It's about $15 per employee, per month, and they want

3678
07:20:33,220 --> 07:20:34,880
a roughly 40% increase.

3679
07:20:36,000 --> 07:20:46,380
I'm going to take us, if I'm remembering the math correctly, from $38,000 to $50,000.

3680
07:20:46,980 --> 07:20:50,600
Other side of that, though, is we are saving about $300,000.

3681
07:20:50,660 --> 07:20:53,140
Well, we were saving about $300,000.

3682
07:20:55,020 --> 07:20:57,020
Now it will be whatever.

3683
07:21:00,080 --> 07:21:00,660
Stay with peak.

3684
07:21:03,340 --> 07:21:05,000
I asked them if we could,

3685
07:21:08,070 --> 07:21:15,090
I thought that was kind of steep, or if it was lost fees, they

3686
07:21:17,710 --> 07:21:21,570
had some pretty major issues, 2020.

3687
07:21:26,460 --> 07:21:27,420
So, um,

3688
07:21:29,940 --> 07:21:31,920
I mean, county and us supporting peak,

3689
07:21:34,560 --> 07:21:37,740
how they are trying to rebuild, they've got some,

3690
07:21:38,600 --> 07:21:48,470
They're pluses that they're living off of and they're increasing the fees so that they don't hop and go away and that's the risk.

3691
07:21:49,790 --> 07:21:56,690
Go away, they only lose our contracts will slowly go away,

3692
07:22:00,210 --> 07:22:00,930
a thousand dollars.

3693
07:22:09,730 --> 07:22:12,470
How much we can do about it other than just say we don't want

3694
07:22:20,730 --> 07:22:21,570
some other

3695
07:22:25,280 --> 07:22:28,520
recommend we keep going with peak.

3696
07:22:31,800 --> 07:22:33,280
Did you pound your fist on the table?

3697
07:22:33,280 --> 07:22:36,610
a shoe at the screen.

3698
07:22:39,440 --> 07:22:46,780
I didn't. But yeah, I stated our case and they weren't

3699
07:22:49,560 --> 07:22:49,960
interested

3700
07:22:49,960 --> 07:22:53,240
in changing it. But there's no opposition to sickening with

3701
07:22:53,240 --> 07:22:59,770
Beak. But, well, I was talking to the Beak Board. He's on the Beak Board, no. Oh, can I see.

3702
07:22:59,770 --> 07:23:04,510
I thought you were talking to our attorney's committee. Got you. No, this was the Beak Board asking

3703
07:23:05,110 --> 07:23:07,190
them to reconsider their fee. And

3704
07:23:09,810 --> 07:23:13,070
listen, but they said, no, we need to keep it that way.

3705
07:23:13,070 --> 07:23:14,070
When

3706
07:23:19,260 --> 07:23:28,840
we talked to HUB, HUB said they'd ask if they'd negotiate, and sure enough, it was on the agenda.

3707
07:23:34,410 --> 07:23:35,210
It didn't work either.

3708
07:23:37,780 --> 07:23:48,640
But when we met with HUB on the entire plan, for a good shape, we don't have to increase our buildings.

3709
07:23:48,640 --> 07:23:49,820
This

3710
07:23:53,240 --> 07:24:04,020
fund builds all the other funds that have employees for health insurance claims $4.1 million in there as

3711
07:24:08,820 --> 07:24:11,940
self insurance, $3.1 million.

3712
07:24:14,260 --> 07:24:17,100
It's $1,000 for the

3713
07:24:19,280 --> 07:24:20,660
same amount.

3714
07:24:22,340 --> 07:24:33,970
We're showing $157 in the whole as budgeted, but that fund balances $4 million, well $3.8 million.

3715
07:24:35,960 --> 07:24:40,940
And that's three to four times the recommended amount.

3716
07:24:45,520 --> 07:24:49,240
Originally they said a million and a half and that lately they've been saying a million.

3717
07:24:50,460 --> 07:24:54,300
Lost if we've decided to change from our current.

3718
07:24:54,300 --> 07:24:55,180
Thank you very much.

3719
07:25:06,190 --> 07:25:11,710
Good consider, moving some money out of there if you wanted to and not hurt the fund.

3720
07:25:14,050 --> 07:25:22,470
Talking about earlier with filth money if you wanted to increase your, corrected, unbalanced, that $4 million is,

3721
07:25:29,700 --> 07:25:30,540
come back in.

3722
07:25:30,540 --> 07:25:31,360
Give

3723
07:25:35,680 --> 07:25:37,860
me if that looked mean or rude.

3724
07:25:39,320 --> 07:25:41,400
Now we're on to talking about what Hub said.

3725
07:25:43,710 --> 07:25:44,510
I hate that I was accused.

3726
07:25:45,170 --> 07:25:48,610
I have returned this commissioner to me now, and my alarm's going off.

3727
07:25:49,670 --> 07:25:53,090
I recuse myself for the discussion about Peacouth Alliance.

3728
07:25:53,750 --> 07:26:00,690
It's not $3.55 and I walk back in because now we're about the overall insurance fund and how we sell fund.

3729
07:26:01,050 --> 07:26:01,930
And so I'm back.

3730
07:26:01,930 --> 07:26:09,920
So the way we've budgeted this fund is to not change our

3731
07:26:12,510 --> 07:26:20,250
funds, our rates so to speak the same.

3732
07:26:20,250 --> 07:26:34,520
Up says last year we had 208 employees average per month and they dollar per employee per

3733
07:26:34,520 --> 07:26:36,600
month cost and so

3734
07:26:40,600 --> 07:26:43,900
24 reasons that rate

3735
07:26:46,110 --> 07:26:49,750
revenue we're going to charge grown bridge and we're

3736
07:26:49,750 --> 07:26:50,710
going to charge EMF

3737
07:26:53,750 --> 07:26:56,810
under per employee per month.

3738
07:26:56,810 --> 07:26:58,090
When

3739
07:27:00,620 --> 07:27:01,760
claims come in,

3740
07:27:08,120 --> 07:27:11,700
deficit because we have

3741
07:27:17,170 --> 07:27:18,810
flex fees,

3742
07:27:24,720 --> 07:27:31,740
you also have the wellness committee from $5,000 to $30,000.

3743
07:27:32,980 --> 07:27:41,340
We do have a slight deficit, $157,000, but that's on a $4 million budget.

3744
07:27:46,500 --> 07:27:47,620
So at

3745
07:27:50,780 --> 07:28:00,600
this point, I just think we leave it alone, I guess our recommendation missioners

3746
07:28:00,600 --> 07:28:07,900
are as it's shown, and this has all the current costs from hub as we know them.

3747
07:28:08,540 --> 07:28:08,940
That's correct.

3748
07:28:09,480 --> 07:28:09,620
Yes.

3749
07:28:10,280 --> 07:28:10,440
Okay.

3750
07:28:12,590 --> 07:28:12,790
Okay.

3751
07:28:13,250 --> 07:28:13,730
I'm good with that.

3752
07:28:15,190 --> 07:28:15,610
Moving on?

3753
07:28:16,170 --> 07:28:16,530
Moving on.

3754
07:28:25,440 --> 07:28:39,680
Just a side note, going back to just with health insurance though, that slide that you did see with HUB during the last presentation of the recommended options for 2025.

3755
07:28:39,680 --> 07:28:46,300
that per employee, PEPM, what can I say?

3756
07:28:48,070 --> 07:28:49,890
Employee for a month, thank you.

3757
07:28:51,290 --> 07:28:56,830
Of the 15 Commissioner Chimino and I just, we did have a discussion about that number

3758
07:28:56,830 --> 07:29:06,850
and, you know, over this next year commissioners, we really need to have a conversation with Hub about that number

3759
07:29:06,850 --> 07:29:14,390
and how you know try to compare it with some of our other counties maybe and drive to get

3760
07:29:14,390 --> 07:29:17,990
that number down, get that number down,

3761
07:29:21,790 --> 07:29:25,410
and to make sure we're comparing apples to apples

3762
07:29:25,410 --> 07:29:27,690
with other counties as well.

3763
07:29:30,770 --> 07:29:32,150
I'll be able to help in the future.

3764
07:29:37,440 --> 07:29:38,460
Thank you, bird hat today.

3765
07:29:38,460 --> 07:29:38,460
Okay,

3766
07:29:41,040 --> 07:29:42,020
let's see if I don't know.

3767
07:29:44,540 --> 07:29:45,100
Third hat.

3768
07:29:45,680 --> 07:29:46,280
Third hat.

3769
07:29:46,280 --> 07:29:46,460
Oh.

3770
07:29:47,340 --> 07:29:48,180
Actual hat.

3771
07:29:50,880 --> 07:29:53,580
Air Force and Steeler, then buffs.

3772
07:29:57,590 --> 07:29:58,590
Steelers are coming out.

3773
07:29:59,490 --> 07:29:59,890
Is a notice.

3774
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:07,540
Easily distracted. Keep going. So, do you have any questions about that? No. General Department,

3775
07:30:10,340 --> 07:30:17,570
a large portion of our property taxes show up the 17.3 million property

3776
07:30:20,580 --> 07:30:24,280
taxes, a little bit close to road and bridge, a little bit

3777
07:30:29,680 --> 07:30:33,520
higher, but part of it is here.

3778
07:30:44,320 --> 07:30:45,980
5 million from their fund, the

3779
07:30:48,160 --> 07:30:52,380
cost of their building, that's financing sources.

3780
07:30:52,380 --> 07:30:53,440
But

3781
07:30:57,760 --> 07:31:07,300
your thought on that was that that would be held in the fund to pay principal and interest on the COP.

3782
07:31:10,340 --> 07:31:19,120
Given an analysis of what could the EMS pay for the building themselves and came up with a price

3783
07:31:19,120 --> 07:31:28,980
that years ago of like 14 million and building is defined as 26 million, they could not afford to do it.

3784
07:31:29,200 --> 07:31:39,900
So, a couple years ago was okay, let's have general fund build it and let's have EMS who's getting increased

3785
07:31:41,380 --> 07:31:53,020
part of building, let's take those funds and move those into the general fund to help support building and paying for that bill.

3786
07:31:53,020 --> 07:31:55,300
That's what it's supposed to be used for.

3787
07:31:55,740 --> 07:32:00,700
The last year, or this year, I'm sorry, they have contributed 2.25 million.

3788
07:32:00,940 --> 07:32:07,280
That's a portion of their unbalanced, asking them to do the same thing next year.

3789
07:32:07,280 --> 07:32:08,320
After

3790
07:32:10,850 --> 07:32:20,350
that, we're asking endoconsubing 500,000 towards the loan payment, now it's anywhere

3791
07:32:20,350 --> 07:32:24,470
from $1.7 to $2 million annual loan payment.

3792
07:32:27,790 --> 07:32:35,190
The way I think about that $2.25 million is that's just your fund transfer money that

3793
07:32:35,190 --> 07:32:35,450
we have.

3794
07:32:43,440 --> 07:32:44,840
I don't

3795
07:32:49,220 --> 07:32:50,100
think we have to.

3796
07:32:50,100 --> 07:32:55,740
And we could, if you'd like to, change it.

3797
07:32:56,080 --> 07:33:01,680
I'm going to remember that that's what that fund, I mean, now just part of the general

3798
07:33:01,680 --> 07:33:03,080
fund unrestricted.

3799
07:33:05,460 --> 07:33:08,080
What you're really talking about is having it

3800
07:33:10,870 --> 07:33:13,810
fitted for a particular use.

3801
07:33:13,810 --> 07:33:15,870
I kind of think it should be in a separate line.

3802
07:33:16,450 --> 07:33:24,890
Actually, I misspoke, that's, it's going into the capital fund, that's where we put

3803
07:33:24,890 --> 07:33:26,730
all of our showing

3804
07:33:29,540 --> 07:33:34,640
under your budget with your department, but that all that money goes into that

3805
07:33:36,760 --> 07:33:47,080
capital fund. So that is your capital improvement. So okay so that fund is set up for it. How do

3806
07:33:47,080 --> 07:33:52,460
we I know Elaine and Kathy are really sharp, but how do we know or what's the trigger that says okay

3807
07:33:52,460 --> 07:33:55,700
Okay, we're going to do that fund transfer out of that fund into this fund.

3808
07:33:59,390 --> 07:34:00,190
Two million?

3809
07:34:00,570 --> 07:34:00,690
Yeah.

3810
07:34:01,130 --> 07:34:01,330
Yeah.

3811
07:34:01,930 --> 07:34:06,770
All the other direction, that $5,000 a year over the next,

3812
07:34:18,760 --> 07:34:21,860
it'll show up in the 26 budget, right?

3813
07:34:22,840 --> 07:34:23,080
Right.

3814
07:34:24,140 --> 07:34:28,300
Our plan is $500,000.

3815
07:34:31,370 --> 07:34:38,670
Well, I wonder if that's, I don't know how would we document it or something so

3816
07:34:38,670 --> 07:34:38,950
so that,

3817
07:34:44,660 --> 07:34:45,080
okay?

3818
07:35:03,700 --> 07:35:05,260
Okay, we're good.

3819
07:35:10,920 --> 07:35:24,780
Okay. Okay. And one note. One note, which we have never received any training for. So we'd have no idea how to do it. Okay. Thank you. We're good.

3820
07:35:28,280 --> 07:35:29,780
Thank you for explaining.

3821
07:35:33,100 --> 07:35:40,140
There's also a spreadsheet that showing this whole financial plan that

3822
07:35:41,640 --> 07:35:46,940
Okay, okay, final amount of COP.

3823
07:35:47,660 --> 07:35:51,040
All right, are we done with this page?

3824
07:35:53,080 --> 07:35:53,460
Yes.

3825
07:35:54,360 --> 07:35:59,390
So we're next, we're going to LRT.

3826
07:36:02,720 --> 07:36:04,780
Yeah, that one's pretty straightforward, isn't it?

3827
07:36:05,600 --> 07:36:09,700
We have handy finance team, what the current balance is, please.

3828
07:36:11,260 --> 07:36:11,860
Roughly.

3829
07:36:11,860 --> 07:36:13,220
for OLRT.

3830
07:36:13,880 --> 07:36:16,100
And it's not all you're right, this is so is the budget which is not.

3831
07:36:16,580 --> 07:36:20,080
Open lands, rivers and trails, a 11 million, 454, I got it from yesterday.

3832
07:36:20,560 --> 07:36:20,780
On that.

3833
07:36:20,920 --> 07:36:22,480
11 million, 454.

3834
07:36:22,800 --> 07:36:23,120
Committed.

3835
07:36:24,680 --> 07:36:25,080
Okay.

3836
07:36:25,240 --> 07:36:25,660
I got it.

3837
07:36:26,180 --> 07:36:26,760
Thank you.

3838
07:36:27,000 --> 07:36:28,060
One that I can't find.

3839
07:36:29,940 --> 07:36:30,800
I see it here.

3840
07:36:37,110 --> 07:36:37,270
Um.

3841
07:36:40,240 --> 07:36:41,060
Also, we budget.

3842
07:36:43,060 --> 07:36:46,940
How much revenue is going to come in and then just think

3843
07:36:52,960 --> 07:36:55,060
there'll be about $2.6 million

3844
07:36:55,060 --> 07:36:55,680
in sales,

3845
07:37:00,740 --> 07:37:07,820
0.3%, those taxes 1.3%, oil art, he gets a point.

3846
07:37:14,760 --> 07:37:17,100
I'm thinking it's going to be a slight decline,

3847
07:37:20,780 --> 07:37:25,460
like to this year, about a 3% decline is what I'm budgeting.

3848
07:37:31,260 --> 07:37:33,660
I think this

3849
07:37:39,360 --> 07:37:47,180
fall cycle had all the new pieces so those asks are going to be in this cycle,

3850
07:37:47,700 --> 07:37:53,220
which I think they meet next week for the committee does to make the final recommendations

3851
07:37:53,220 --> 07:37:53,980
to you.

3852
07:37:54,900 --> 07:37:56,760
So you'll see those at the end of the month.

3853
07:38:01,940 --> 07:38:04,280
The professional services of a hundred grand.

3854
07:38:08,460 --> 07:38:09,060
They

3855
07:38:11,100 --> 07:38:13,220
do advertising for their.

3856
07:38:14,240 --> 07:38:26,500
But the cycles also have an administrator that that all organized with all the money coming in and people asking for money and tracking what has been spent and.

3857
07:38:27,160 --> 07:38:28,020
Orts and.

3858
07:38:33,240 --> 07:38:34,580
Okay, we're good with that one.

3859
07:38:35,880 --> 07:38:37,800
Well, I'm sorry, are you?

3860
07:38:38,200 --> 07:38:41,520
Yes, well, I think I am, but they're having a psych conversation about it.

3861
07:38:50,020 --> 07:38:54,380
Okay. So good with a little RT. Pilt is next.

3862
07:38:54,740 --> 07:39:02,180
Yes, sir. And once again, that's a program that has to be approved every year by the federal

3863
07:39:02,180 --> 07:39:05,420
government. It'll come in.

3864
07:39:07,520 --> 07:39:11,860
Parts of calculation, part of which is based on how much money

3865
07:39:11,860 --> 07:39:14,180
we, from the,

3866
07:39:20,160 --> 07:39:24,260
by giving all of that money to the local school districts, these payments

3867
07:39:24,260 --> 07:39:24,900
are higher,

3868
07:39:27,440 --> 07:39:28,540
one year delayed.

3869
07:39:31,900 --> 07:39:35,380
Bring, then, and, bye.

3870
07:39:39,300 --> 07:39:41,680
If I could, Mr. Chair, I'm good with the budget.

3871
07:39:42,020 --> 07:39:43,100
I just have a quick question.

3872
07:39:43,180 --> 07:39:44,060
We can answer this tomorrow.

3873
07:39:45,380 --> 07:39:49,840
This wonderful sheet that was provided, it kind of shows, I just ask about the OLRT, I see

3874
07:39:49,840 --> 07:39:50,180
that here.

3875
07:39:50,400 --> 07:39:51,120
I know what that's for.

3876
07:39:51,120 --> 07:39:59,820
I see EMS and I see the amount I know what that's for, I see PILT Fund at 9.9

3877
07:40:00,000 --> 07:40:03,020
And I don't know what that is sitting there for.

3878
07:40:07,070 --> 07:40:22,050
That's money that comes in every year. Once a year, we receive a bill of funds. Expecting 2.1 million in 25. Right. And there's not really, there is nothing restricted about what we can use that money for.

3879
07:40:26,090 --> 07:40:38,000
For accounting, they made a special revenue fund. So we can't. So we could, there's flexibility here.

3880
07:40:38,000 --> 07:40:52,090
We're not restricted, so I guess this is part of the many pots of money that we may dip into over 20 years of payments on the, yeah.

3881
07:40:52,510 --> 07:41:00,930
I listed as committed because we combine it with road and bridge, just for financials, we don't have to keep it there.

3882
07:41:01,090 --> 07:41:06,310
That's just where we've been keeping those up as committed, not unrestricted.

3883
07:41:06,310 --> 07:41:13,270
The reality is if you wanted to use that as unrestricted money you can, you have to

3884
07:41:13,270 --> 07:41:14,110
do a resolution.

3885
07:41:14,970 --> 07:41:22,990
Let's take this money, belt, and use it for whatever governmental purpose you decide.

3886
07:41:23,690 --> 07:41:27,010
Can the same be said for the amount I see here for the Rowan Bridge Fund?

3887
07:41:27,210 --> 07:41:29,810
It also is committed and therefore-

3888
07:41:29,810 --> 07:41:35,330
bridge is different. General fund can't put money into

3889
07:41:35,330 --> 07:41:39,550
Rowan Bridge. Why I've kind of kept Pilt there.

3890
07:41:41,570 --> 07:41:43,470
Rowan Bridge, I've never needed money.

3891
07:41:44,590 --> 07:41:47,830
Pilt can go into Rowan Bridge, but General fund can't.

3892
07:41:48,250 --> 07:41:48,490
Right.

3893
07:41:49,370 --> 07:41:52,270
Oh, one of us want to ask you is, it's a weird rule.

3894
07:41:52,730 --> 07:41:53,470
That's a weird rule.

3895
07:41:53,790 --> 07:41:56,410
And the Rowan Bridge fund go back into General.

3896
07:41:59,440 --> 07:42:00,360
Pilt can go back into it.

3897
07:42:00,360 --> 07:42:01,280
But it's committed.

3898
07:42:01,520 --> 07:42:04,580
You would have to take, I'm as bold.

3899
07:42:04,980 --> 07:42:08,480
Yeah, both, both, both, both is worth, Curtis, or the Pilt Fund, and

3900
07:42:08,480 --> 07:42:10,560
we're a bridge funder listed as committed on the sheet.

3901
07:42:10,940 --> 07:42:11,080
Right.

3902
07:42:11,600 --> 07:42:14,260
So with the resolution, we could do what you described.

3903
07:42:14,960 --> 07:42:15,720
Yes, you could.

3904
07:42:16,080 --> 07:42:16,600
Thank you.

3905
07:42:16,720 --> 07:42:20,040
I miss, I feel like you know, what is out of the possible?

3906
07:42:20,560 --> 07:42:21,480
Thank you, that was.

3907
07:42:22,640 --> 07:42:27,020
But, that being said, just to make sure that we didn't, if I didn't hear it,

3908
07:42:27,020 --> 07:42:31,840
You cannot put general fund money into rodent bridge.

3909
07:42:32,280 --> 07:42:33,780
Correct, there's a statute.

3910
07:42:34,340 --> 07:42:37,140
Statute, that's not just a committed thing that we could do with the resolution.

3911
07:42:37,340 --> 07:42:38,360
That is actually a statute.

3912
07:42:39,120 --> 07:42:39,260
Correct.

3913
07:42:40,940 --> 07:42:42,380
So I don't understand, but.

3914
07:42:43,420 --> 07:42:46,480
Funding rodent bridge, mostly with sales tax.

3915
07:42:47,680 --> 07:42:50,080
All small portion of property tax.

3916
07:42:50,700 --> 07:42:58,040
I don't remember, but in the budget that we had, where did we show 522, was that part

3917
07:42:58,040 --> 07:43:04,860
of the road and bridge, and did it show an interfund transfer out of here to road and bridge

3918
07:43:04,860 --> 07:43:05,300
or not?

3919
07:43:06,340 --> 07:43:06,820
No.

3920
07:43:07,600 --> 07:43:07,800
No.

3921
07:43:08,040 --> 07:43:08,180
Pilt.

3922
07:43:08,940 --> 07:43:13,740
Not Pilt, but out of the road and bridge fund, or that just automatically comes out of the road

3923
07:43:13,740 --> 07:43:14,360
and bridge fund.

3924
07:43:14,560 --> 07:43:17,960
It would have a major capital.

3925
07:43:18,480 --> 07:43:19,320
Say that again.

3926
07:43:22,220 --> 07:43:25,540
That's a new road, it's the only reason it's available.

3927
07:43:25,540 --> 07:43:26,320
That's why it's capital.

3928
07:43:29,130 --> 07:43:36,270
So on maintenance of existing roads comes out of road and bridge fund as well as equipment or not.

3929
07:43:36,610 --> 07:43:36,770
Yes.

3930
07:43:38,210 --> 07:43:40,870
In fact, even though it's no equipment and it's capital.

3931
07:43:44,920 --> 07:43:53,300
Take the money out of road and bridge and we put it into 350 which is capital by the road grader.

3932
07:43:53,300 --> 07:43:59,080
What what are the limitations in terms of taking money out of road and bridge?

3933
07:43:59,500 --> 07:44:02,220
Have a negative fund balance. You can't go

3934
07:44:03,020 --> 07:44:04,780
Can't take more than they've got

3935
07:44:07,720 --> 07:44:10,800
and I encourage you not to go below 20%

3936
07:44:12,860 --> 07:44:14,280
20% of

3937
07:44:14,850 --> 07:44:15,740
of the

3938
07:44:16,820 --> 07:44:19,480
revenues or expenses, which ever is higher

3939
07:44:19,480 --> 07:44:24,830
Well, Ron Bridge gets a lot of revenue, but higher.

3940
07:44:30,100 --> 07:44:31,900
Answers are the revenues of that fund.

3941
07:44:39,570 --> 07:44:40,430
Perfectly clear.

3942
07:44:44,420 --> 07:44:48,900
Rotem Bridge gets funded directly from mostly sales tax,

3943
07:44:49,380 --> 07:44:50,380
some property tax.

3944
07:44:50,580 --> 07:44:52,640
It doesn't bypass through any other fund.

3945
07:44:52,780 --> 07:44:55,480
It goes directly from those funds to Rotem Bridge, correct?

3946
07:44:55,820 --> 07:44:55,980
Yes.

3947
07:44:56,520 --> 07:44:57,420
That's how it gets funded.

3948
07:44:57,420 --> 07:44:59,420
It also gets...

3949
07:44:59,420 --> 07:44:59,980
I will use...

3950
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:01,220
Mr. Tax, that's a big issue.

3951
07:45:03,520 --> 07:45:06,500
Okay, we're good. Anything else on field?

3952
07:45:09,880 --> 07:45:15,920
Okay, we can move on. I think we're ready for that one now.

3953
07:45:20,770 --> 07:45:29,930
This is funded through property taxes. We use that money to pay the county's match on employee's retirement plan.

3954
07:45:33,920 --> 07:45:39,320
If an employee leaves employment, or they're fully vested,

3955
07:45:41,480 --> 07:45:48,200
The amount that the county has contributed that's not vested comes back to the county and that's what the four fixtures are.

3956
07:45:53,310 --> 07:45:54,450
Wait one more time.

3957
07:45:54,850 --> 07:46:02,100
So we can contribute up to 6% of an employee's salary.

3958
07:46:03,320 --> 07:46:07,920
So the first year you vest 20%.

3959
07:46:09,290 --> 07:46:13,090
That way puts money in that money is their money.

3960
07:46:13,530 --> 07:46:16,650
When they leave the county, they take that money with them.

3961
07:46:17,510 --> 07:46:26,030
County is putting in full 6%, but only 20% of that is vested or becomes part of that employee.

3962
07:46:26,750 --> 07:46:30,170
100% vested five years.

3963
07:46:30,550 --> 07:46:32,290
After five years there are only 10% vested.

3964
07:46:33,570 --> 07:46:35,410
Everything in the county has been putting in.

3965
07:46:35,410 --> 07:46:36,370
There

3966
07:46:39,320 --> 07:46:45,960
is a, I think if you're 55 years or once you reach 55 years, you're just automatically

3967
07:46:45,960 --> 07:46:46,780
fully vested.

3968
07:46:47,040 --> 07:46:47,960
That's part of our plan.

3969
07:46:49,180 --> 07:46:51,500
I don't like to officials a little different.

3970
07:46:57,570 --> 07:46:59,770
I don't, I don't believe so.

3971
07:47:00,030 --> 07:47:01,090
I believe that's at five, yeah.

3972
07:47:01,330 --> 07:47:07,630
So I guess if you do a full term, you're 80% or if you're 55 years old, then you're fully

3973
07:47:07,630 --> 07:47:08,570
vested.

3974
07:47:12,590 --> 07:47:15,050
I think you've been here a long enough, sir, I think you're fully vested.

3975
07:47:16,090 --> 07:47:20,490
This looks like another one where we don't really account for the actuals because exactly

3976
07:47:23,880 --> 07:47:27,220
what the budget did or in the case of 2024, it's 20 right now, but

3977
07:47:27,800 --> 07:47:36,160
Well, we do a budget that then yeah depends on how I mean employees we have and what percentage we do keep track of their actuals

3978
07:47:37,580 --> 07:47:39,020
Well, but not in this

3979
07:47:40,340 --> 07:47:42,340
Is it because it's exactly the same?

3980
07:47:43,360 --> 07:47:48,820
All of the 23 actuals, those are the same as budgets, 60, 60, 60,

3981
07:47:51,420 --> 07:47:52,620
and the four fixtures.

3982
07:47:52,820 --> 07:47:53,820
And the four fixtures, yeah.

3983
07:47:55,460 --> 07:47:59,400
That's fine, you don't have to always have real items, sir.

3984
07:48:01,730 --> 07:48:04,330
I don't know how that, I think that's a coincidence, I don't know.

3985
07:48:05,410 --> 07:48:06,070
That's okay.

3986
07:48:07,430 --> 07:48:10,070
So, why on some of these,

3987
07:48:12,930 --> 07:48:17,290
interfund transfer from the general fund, so

3988
07:48:17,290 --> 07:48:25,490
so that it shows up as zero balance of revenues less expenses and some we don't.

3989
07:48:31,270 --> 07:48:32,670
Well, this is one that we don't,

3990
07:48:36,370 --> 07:48:39,530
maybe it's only at the summary sheet we do.

3991
07:48:39,630 --> 07:48:41,010
I don't know where we do that but-

3992
07:48:41,010 --> 07:48:49,390
In this case, we try to let the property taxes, we try to manage that mill levy to be as close as we can.

3993
07:48:53,320 --> 07:48:58,100
Fences, we don't want to be far negative or too far positive.

3994
07:48:58,100 --> 07:49:03,760
Right, but on this one, we're almost a quarter of a million dollars, negative.

3995
07:49:04,560 --> 07:49:06,180
In our budget, yes, sir.

3996
07:49:06,380 --> 07:49:06,560
One

3997
07:49:12,120 --> 07:49:13,160
point.

3998
07:49:15,340 --> 07:49:21,250
I'll be in negative $2,000.

3999
07:49:21,610 --> 07:49:22,510
Okay, that's the difference.

4000
07:49:22,690 --> 07:49:23,370
This is a fund.

4001
07:49:25,800 --> 07:49:30,780
So funds can show a positive negative, doesn't make any difference because it's going to balance

4002
07:49:30,780 --> 07:49:31,660
out of the fund.

4003
07:49:32,200 --> 07:49:32,660
Oh, God.

4004
07:49:32,660 --> 07:49:43,480
The others were operating departments, and they have to, at some point, they got to get balanced out.

4005
07:49:44,360 --> 07:49:44,480
Right.

4006
07:49:44,720 --> 07:49:45,420
The whole book probably.

4007
07:49:45,860 --> 07:49:45,960
Right.

4008
07:49:47,980 --> 07:49:49,180
I think I understand.

4009
07:49:50,260 --> 07:49:54,360
Like this patch, here's an example for you, Commissioner, this patch is a fund.

4010
07:49:54,820 --> 07:49:54,960
Right.

4011
07:49:56,800 --> 07:49:59,760
You don't do any property tax for them that we don't

4012
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:11,360
House tax, the sheriff's department, those outside entities, for part of their revenue, but

4013
07:50:12,420 --> 07:50:23,520
sheriff also pays at fund, and so we use an interfund transfer general fund to move sheriff's

4014
07:50:23,520 --> 07:50:24,360
money into that.

4015
07:50:25,800 --> 07:50:29,960
In the case that we were just looking at the retirement fund,

4016
07:50:32,190 --> 07:50:34,250
how do you determine how much

4017
07:50:35,390 --> 07:50:40,770
or how much property tax is attributed to that account we were just looking at to that

4018
07:50:40,770 --> 07:50:41,150
fund?

4019
07:50:43,560 --> 07:50:51,730
Try to analyze how friends aren't and try and predict how much it will need.

4020
07:50:52,870 --> 07:50:58,330
So, so there's no formula that says this is what needs to go in there, you just take what

4021
07:50:58,330 --> 07:51:05,330
But you think is appropriate realizing that we're going to take a quarter of a million dollars out of the retirement fund or whatever we're just looking at, right?

4022
07:51:05,330 --> 07:51:20,760
Yes, retirement fund, some year if it gets too close to zero, if it gets close to 20% change the mills for that fund to increase the revenues from property taxes.

4023
07:51:20,760 --> 07:51:24,800
So we could do that for several more years with the retirement fund.

4024
07:51:25,160 --> 07:51:30,020
Because it's already a million one, a million two, got it?

4025
07:51:30,400 --> 07:51:32,040
Okay, thank you.

4026
07:51:32,320 --> 07:51:32,600
Questions, please.

4027
07:51:32,980 --> 07:51:34,260
You said it changed the mills.

4028
07:51:34,720 --> 07:51:37,460
Is it the case where we have a voter approval that's up here, really?

4029
07:51:39,000 --> 07:51:41,360
No, it was never a voter approved thing.

4030
07:51:41,440 --> 07:51:48,220
It's just elected to use property taxes many years ago to fund this account.

4031
07:51:48,660 --> 07:51:55,840
So if we increase the mills, for example, then some other thing is going to get less mills.

4032
07:51:56,940 --> 07:51:58,160
I got it, thank you.

4033
07:52:00,160 --> 07:52:06,040
I did not have mills, that's okay, we would ask for a periodically.

4034
07:52:07,420 --> 07:52:09,720
It's just a different way of getting the money to where it used to go.

4035
07:52:11,300 --> 07:52:15,300
It's not increasing the mills because that's sorry, it has to go to the voters to do that.

4036
07:52:24,850 --> 07:52:30,470
That's it, you actually are retired for the day, for the day.

4037
07:52:31,190 --> 07:52:32,530
Does this do it all again tomorrow?

4038
07:52:32,810 --> 07:52:33,770
This is the page we are after.

4039
07:52:36,310 --> 07:52:39,510
So, Curtis, do you want to do a wrap for today or?

4040
07:52:43,470 --> 07:52:49,510
We did not do a budget for the poll, Creek, PID,

4041
07:52:51,740 --> 07:52:55,180
their bonds were paid off last year.

4042
07:52:55,540 --> 07:52:57,560
We refunded their money,

4043
07:53:02,620 --> 07:53:07,340
that fund exists, there's just no money going into it.

4044
07:53:07,700 --> 07:53:12,900
The purpose of it was to pay the bonds which were used at road.

4045
07:53:12,900 --> 07:53:16,930
And there's no money going out of it.

4046
07:53:18,170 --> 07:53:25,850
Well, the choice as you can dissolve the fund, if you'd like, or you can keep it in case

4047
07:53:26,570 --> 07:53:27,850
sometime in the future,

4048
07:53:33,070 --> 07:53:35,810
if I already set up as a district and have

4049
07:53:38,760 --> 07:53:40,740
to vote to tax themselves

4050
07:53:40,740 --> 07:53:41,320
the way that you vote.

4051
07:53:41,320 --> 07:53:43,360
You have to go through that whole process again, right?

4052
07:53:45,180 --> 07:53:48,260
Yes, I don't know for sure pros and cons of doing either.

4053
07:53:49,700 --> 07:53:52,600
It's not hurting anything for it just to sit there, right?

4054
07:53:53,060 --> 07:53:54,180
Not hurting anything.

4055
07:53:56,180 --> 07:54:00,260
But on the other hand, if they were going to vote to increase taxes to do some other

4056
07:54:00,260 --> 07:54:03,420
project, they might want to call it something different anyway.

4057
07:54:06,060 --> 07:54:09,340
It's already a district, I guess, maybe they would just, it's almost done.

4058
07:54:13,390 --> 07:54:21,670
It's just a question you should probably consider, talk with Bernie about, do you want to dissolve it or keep it old?

4059
07:54:22,950 --> 07:54:33,990
I think I'm hesitant to recommend closing it, because I suspect there's a lot of work done to set it up in the first place, to identify all the properties.

4060
07:54:40,710 --> 07:54:43,410
I think we just keep it, let's leave it alone for now.

4061
07:54:44,530 --> 07:54:47,290
I don't think we need to even ask the attorney to look into it at this point.

4062
07:54:47,390 --> 07:54:52,670
I don't see that there's any point closing it, there's no advance to us to close it.

4063
07:54:55,340 --> 07:54:56,620
I'll see you to keep it open

4064
07:55:07,190 --> 07:55:18,590
We can get a wrap up in the morning. We can get a wrap up in the morning. Whatever's good with you guys. Yeah, I'll make a summary. I'm sorry. We don't need to do it now. We can do it in the morning.

4065
07:55:21,510 --> 07:55:33,950
So officially, I believe we are actually tired of what's the right word adjourned for 24 p.m. On October 1st, we are officially adjourned. Microphones off.

4066
07:55:33,950 --> 07:55:34,590
Thank you very much.