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All right, now we live it.

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Ready when you are.

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So, it is 5:30 p.m. and I'll call the

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meeting to order.

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First thing we'll do is do attendance.

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Everybody here except for Sarah. He

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submitted a request to um to be excused.

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So, thanks everyone else for attending.

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first on the agenda is ex parte

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communications and disclosures. Do you

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have any to make?

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Seeing none, we'll go on to approval of

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the meeting minutes of March 9th, 2026.

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I've read them and I have no comments.

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Does everybody else have any changes?

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I'll make a motion to approve them.

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I think it's spelled "vote to approve

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and second". All those in favor?

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We'll move on to the next, which is

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presentations.

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Well, they just kind of sent

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presentations. Just a comment that see

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submittals for our request for proposals

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for ladies tail. We got those on Friday.

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the aim is to have that at the next

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county commission

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be reviewing them", who will be

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reviewing them? Yeah, so there'll be a

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we haven't exactly figured that out.

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county administrator

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assistant administrator. It's all to see

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who can figure out who that team will

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And we'll be able to get back to you

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soon. There's a scoring sheet. I'll have

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to do it with you. Okay.

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Um anything else, Andrew?

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So, we might juggle things on the agenda

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around a little bit. We have a called

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hearing scheduled at 6:00.

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of the other filing information for

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review, too. So, if we manage to get

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the meeting pretty quickly, then we'll

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be able to return to it.

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4:15 now.

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Next on the agenda is county commission

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update. So, Brian or

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Um we did a follow-up review for 15

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um subdivision. And then we also did a

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final on Jack's subdivision.

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So, that's that's all I have for now.

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That's it, Rich? Um just I just added um

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the appointed Gerald Wyse to one of the

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on the GWSSA um for the vacancy of Mike

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Duncan. And we have my findings of

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interest um the 2025 property tax

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abatements and cancellations. This is

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specifically for disabled vets, active

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military, low-income seniors, and

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disabled um individuals. And the net

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impact to the county was $28,000.

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Seeing none, just one other thing I'd

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planning for just some some updates on

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what we need to have the economic

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development done, outdoor rec done,

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economic mobility section done, housing

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transportation safety section redone,

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and then the water element that we're

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ahead and start reviewing these these uh

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these items as they come to their board.

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a workshop between the county commission

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workshop the uh

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those changes. And then work through the

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Sounds good. Thanks, Brian.

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Anything else for county commission?

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we move into citizens to be heard. And

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this is for anything that is not related

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to the two hearings tonight.

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You have comments on the two hearings

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tonight. We have set to hold that until

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that hearing explains them. Do we have

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anybody online?

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Mary is.

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You have Mary King.

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Maybe one here online.

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Mary is social.

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Yeah, we don't want that.

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Yeah, I'll cancel.

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So, we have nobody else other than the

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people here.

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about water. That's not on our agenda

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tonight. And this is the other comment.

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three, but you have a little bit of

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why don't you go ahead and I was a

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general soils and water coordinator for

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13 years, 38 years working with the

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state in water. Uh during that time

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there here uh there were several

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significant papers. When I was here last

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time, I noticed that most of you, Trish

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and Brian, and Bob with the exceptions

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that I've haven't I've met or ever

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talked about water or seen any mob

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meeting or anything.

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there, might have been some lack of

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knowledge that I'll give you

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opportunities to go find those resources

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if you would like to. Um I gave him an

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email with a piece of paper on it. I

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don't know if you passed it on to them.

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it's front pictures. Uh to start off

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with the 20 22 2005 but a 2002

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2001 Castle Valley and Moapa both had

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source source designations for their

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ground water.

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historically was a

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uh lease for oil from the state office

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was going to happen in our source source

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aquifer and the local

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um our local field office told the state

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that you know, you can't do that in your

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source source aquifer. And both leases

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were pulled.

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it has to be something with a federal

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um tangent at some point time, federal

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funding. The second thing on there was a

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Castle Valley requested a ground water

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classification, which was finished in

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ground water classification in 2007 and

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Moapa finished.

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I don't know who today actually wrote

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both of those.

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1B, 1 whatever, whether it's good

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quality drinking water, not so good

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quality drinking water, or even a couple

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areas which I couldn't feel on the Grand

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irreplaceable water that John's John's

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Irreplaceable ground water. Um

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can't see it along the margins of uh

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this valley,

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this side, we have some very, very good

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water, which is what has been targeted

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by all of your drinking water systems,

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including San Juan County's drinking

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water system.

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to that in a minute if there's not a

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problem. In Castle Valley, a lot of the

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aquifers is is pristine ground water,

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but you get inputs from the bad aquifer

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mission on the once again on the west

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side of the valley.

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increase pumping of the quality water,

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will that displace the

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unqual- the bad quality water into the

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quality water areas and impact other

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users.

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big deal here in this valley in 2016

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everybody wanted to know how much water

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we actually had. We all are limited to

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our source source aquifer. In 2019, the

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USGS did a nice, really good job of the

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evaluation of ground water resources.

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Those leaks are there. It's a very It's

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a scientific document. There's a lot of

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stuff in there. But the bottom line is

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really nice in their pictures.

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Grand Staff portion that is flowed this

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we have about 15,000 acre feet of water

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and that comes from three different

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aquifers. One is the

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shallow Glen Canyon Aquifer, one is the

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Valley Fill Aquifer, which only has

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about 2,000 acre feet.

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always been targeted and that that I was

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saying that brings

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uh edge of the valley.

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Glen water water level and that is most

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of what's in Mill Creek actually

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and that is mostly being used at this

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point in time by the Moab Irrigation

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I will let you know that there's only

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acre feet of the deep Glen Canyon

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is what their estimate is. At this point

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in time your municipalities are very

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close to using that much water.

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It is still open for appropriations. The

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whole valley is at this point in time

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because Teresa believes there's another

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uh 2,000 or so acre feet that is not

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being used and Mill Creek is almost all

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ground water all winter long. We divert a significant Mill Creek due

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to and it's very big storm events or or

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big extreme events. Otherwise Mill Creek

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just flows right along like it normally

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does. And that happens to be the amount

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of water that comes by that Teresa's

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the same amount of water that's

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not being used by the irrigation

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companies between November 15th and

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March 15th.

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So just so you know, if all that was to

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be used, the creek would be dry.

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Um and Castle Valley had one too that

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was just finished 2026. They have a

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total of 4,681

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acre feet of water that is

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not that much actually being used by

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their um city states.

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However, most of that water is not

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very good water. All of it is drinkable,

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just not very good water. It pipes on

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your system

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and it doesn't taste good.

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We do but take that water away, there is

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a good possibility that other people who

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take water will be impacted.

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I had two other things I was going to

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talk about.

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Finally, I think you would definitely

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come back and I've got just 13 years of

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doing this

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So

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I've been doing it for a long time,

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okay?

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And what I used to do when I was at my

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job was get the information out there to

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people that were asking for information.

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Do what you just

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Yeah. Then there was definitely There

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was one other thing in here I had down

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here on other planning resources and I

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didn't know whether you knew this was

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available though. There is a hazards map

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that was done in 2003 for the Grand

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County Spanish Valley area. Um whether

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that's been followed or not hasn't

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always been followed. We lost some big

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some piping over here on Doc Holiday,

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which is which

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caused this forced the city not

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necessarily forced the city but pushed

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the city to do another geological

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hazard. But the one that's in 2018 by

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the UGS does focus on the city. The

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county wasn't involved with that. They

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didn't really get asked to be involved

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in that and the city paid for them, so

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it was mostly focused on the cities. You

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have rock fall, storm water and piping

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as your biggest issues.

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Okay. Um

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the final thing that I wanted to maybe

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talk about, which has been a concern to

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concerned to me, is storm water and low

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impact development. I didn't get to a

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different topic because I didn't quite

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have this.

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It's always concerned me that your

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county does not have a storm water

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ordinance.

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You do not have an ordinance saying that

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if with a half an inch falls, 80% of it

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should stay on the property.

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Essentially, if somebody comes and

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builds something without any storm water

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structure

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at all, which has led to some very

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difficult issues with some of your storm

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water in

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the Moab

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area,

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which you're probably aware

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Several people up there that have been

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hit with the water.

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There is a model storm water ordinance

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that's out there that the UDQ has

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adopted. I don't know if you're familiar

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with that, but

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it is

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It has been adopted by most of the

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cities within maybe slight tweaks in in

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southern county area and in all of

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southern Utah area. It's a great

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compromise between developers and

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everything else. It's a reasonable thing

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to do.

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And I'm going to suggest for the

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meantime

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that Grand County consider a storm water

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ordinance for new development.

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Okay. Um along with those with that is

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low impact development

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and there is a low impact development

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kit. We We came down twice a month about

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that. That is available from the

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um

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State of Utah and the EPA, which gives

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you ideas on how you could build low

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impact developments as opposed to what

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we've normally seen here. So

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I want to say

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I have one more thing to say.

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You guys

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and that high density thing came out, a

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bunch of people with lower

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property with property that had issues

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with it, all of a sudden became a hot

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topic. They tried to get some

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developments on them. One of them did

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get developed. Please do me a favor,

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don't put developments on top of

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springs.

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It's just a bad idea.

398
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Okay. Do something off from buy a buy

399
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the spring company. Make it a park.

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Whatever needs to have it happen, but

401
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it's just bad news when you put

402
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developments on top of springs.

403
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Okay. So

404
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at any point in time do you guys need to

405
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have me to speak with you or anybody

406
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else about some of this stuff or if you

407
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have any questions, feel free to contact

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us. And if you I'll send you the latest

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copy of that model ordinance on that

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which you'll get in the next day or two.

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I'll

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I will Andrew and I will go to the city.

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I hope you stick around.

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I do too.

415
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I I can watch you all over the county

416
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but

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I very much appreciate you coming in and

418
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talking and I close you welcome at any

419
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Biggest problem I had in my job for 13

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years was the revolving door.

421
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Thank you both.

422
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for your time and you

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have time.

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We're here for a couple more weeks.

425
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Yeah, you before you take off,

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you want to do the next two? I can do

427
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that. Okay. Thank you so very much.

428
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You're welcome.

429
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All right. So

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um

431
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We're in citizens to be heard and it's

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anything citizens may bring up that's

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not related to the two hearings we have

434
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tonight. So if anybody in the room has

435
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any comments for the planning commission

436
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that are not related to the hearing

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tonight, then I now ask the panel to

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speak.

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First

440
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Okay.

441
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Now we have 13 minutes before

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First 10.

443
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Thank you. Daniel

444
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can you squeeze in for Daniel and so

445
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Good.

446
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So

447
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this um

448
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What is this?

449
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in different ways.

450
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No one believes you.

451
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,760
gave us a solid effort, you know

452
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,600
what I mean?

453
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A solid effort.

454
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So we have currently

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um multi-family residential

456
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zone and

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identified eligible communities.

458
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Uh excuse me, eligible properties.

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And then asked our GIS person to

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identify the total amount of land of

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acres in each one of the multi-family

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residential zones. So we've got 139

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acres in

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the 20 units

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We have 99 acres in the 14 units per

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acre.

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And we have 168

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acres in the uh

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eight units per acre. And that's the

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total of those properties that are

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eligible. Will you Will you repeat those

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again? Yeah, so that first one there is

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uh excuse me, so the north northwest one

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with the 139 acres, that is the

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multi-family

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uh residential 20 units.

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Then

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the one in the middle that's 99 acres,

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that's the 14 that's 14 units per acre.

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And then the first one

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in the southeast

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162 acres, that is the eight units per

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acre.

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Um

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We actually have maps to go along with

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that. We've got

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this map that

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identifies that from back in

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2005.

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So

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almost 21 years ago this is the map

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with the person there almost

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And also as this one works

494
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it shows the lot. A lot overlay that

495
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shows

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kind of properties that are within each

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one of these and the map stuff up

498
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with

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the ordinance.

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So

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this lighter one is the

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um

503
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20 units per acre and 39

504
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This is the

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silver sky overlay.

506
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Um 14 units per acre.

507
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And then the other one

508
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That one is 162 units in the least the

509
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eight units per acre.

510
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There is a valid question

511
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as to whether or not with this

512
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multi-family residential eligible

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properties

514
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what that overlay it is associated with

515
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,760
that. So is it something that

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um

517
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property owners coming in and getting

518
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certain bonus units to get that overlay

519
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for certain density

520
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or is it something additional to that

521
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when there's additional zone changes

522
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,640
required?

523
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,600
I think you put the idea of a question.

524
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,679
I have a Brazilian question.

525
00:22:22,679 --> 00:22:25,080
I feel like we need a back way up.

526
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,600
I mean I just feel like this

527
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I don't know where this came from. I

528
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,760
don't understand what it means eligible

529
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properties. We're going back to a map

530
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from 2008.

531
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,400
Maybe you can give me Maybe you can give

532
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,710
me some

533
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,160
Okay, so maybe you can give me some

534
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,960
history as to where how this came to you

535
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,080
and then once you give me that history

536
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,230
where you went from

537
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000
It's not a point of order Randy. I'm

538
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asking him two questions.

539
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The question is

540
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this survey days off from the county

541
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,760
map, right? Survey days I'm only eight

542
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,720
months from the county also Randy. I'm

543
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the county commissioner.

544
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000
Do you approve any information?

545
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,320
What?

546
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,560
You want to approve two more and then we

547
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,679
can go home.

548
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:21,920
So Randy made that up. I'm just making a

549
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,590
point. It is a point of order.

550
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,440
Good night.

551
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,120
Okay, I'm just checking.

552
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,160
Thank you.

553
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,120
All right, Chris your question was I I

554
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want to

555
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960
Yeah, exactly. I just want some history

556
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from your point of view

557
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,960
and then

558
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960
how it came to you because I would

559
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,679
assume you didn't just you know just

560
00:23:48,679 --> 00:23:50,679
didn't emerge. You you have a ton to do

561
00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:52,800
so I'm sure Steph came to you. How it

562
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,280
came to you

563
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,400
and then how you developed it if you

564
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,880
went like you said you found this map

565
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520
from 2008. So just any history any

566
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,560
context you can provide I would greatly

567
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320
appreciate. Yeah, it's part of our

568
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,120
zoning code. So if you look at our

569
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,560
zoning code I believe it's article two

570
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,280
identifies the different zoning

571
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,040
districts that we have and one of those

572
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,640
is the multi-family residential zone.

573
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,800
No, I know all that. I know all

574
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,230
>> Okay, so if you scroll down in there

575
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,800
this map is on there.

576
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,630
Right.

577
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,600
And so the interesting thing is

578
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520
it says for the multi-family residential

579
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,080
zone to look at exhibit C.

580
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,880
There is no exhibit C. This is

581
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,160
identified as exhibit A.

582
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,720
So we've got

583
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,960
a whole slew of issues we're probably

584
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,160
going to deal with

585
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,360
as we move forward and one of those

586
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,960
is an overlay district. It's an overlay district.

587
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,120
Something that falls there.

588
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,240
And so I've had a number of people who

589
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,840
contacted

590
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,520
and said

591
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,160
they have got this property

592
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,160
downtown small town family residential

593
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,320
is it identified in there and

594
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,360
we can have to go back and say

595
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,800
is it overlay that was on the 2018

596
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,280
map

597
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,920
or is it overlay from the 2005

598
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,480
map? So I get a whole bunch of

599
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,720
calls

600
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,000
from people in the public especially

601
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,720
when the property comes up for sale.

602
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,710
They say what can I do with it?

603
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,120
Okay, that's the question we have. And

604
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,840
then also

605
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,630
I am

606
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,790
multi-family

607
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
which multi-family

608
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,840
past scores are all done the way

609
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,720
The housing password? Yeah, totally.

610
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Yeah, that's it.

611
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,310
That's right.

612
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,240
And so one of the things that we're

613
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,440
trying to do is determine what that

614
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,120
pipeline is.

615
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,640
Right. How many units we have. Yeah. And

616
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,480
that's How many potential units we have.

617
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,600
Right. And so

618
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,920
um

619
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200
These if you go on the bank if you

620
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,240
Google your info

621
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080
land use map

622
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,320
you can find a map

623
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,679
zoning map

624
00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:25,360
and it comes up with GIS

625
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,600
dashboard

626
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,520
and make sure that you click full screen

627
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,720
before you click

628
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,000
agree.

629
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,640
So you do full screen first and then you

630
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,960
click agree.

631
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,440
And then you have a bunch of different

632
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,960
layers

633
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560
that you can click on and off. So you

634
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,520
can I was on the map yeah last night.

635
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,000
Okay, and so No, I was just on the map

636
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,480
looking at some other things trying to

637
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,040
figure out where that big map But it is

638
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,240
what it is. Whatever. Okay.

639
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Yeah, so it's on there. So one thing

640
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720
we're trying to do is to get a question

641
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,160
in the pipeline.

642
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,800
Another thing we're trying to figure out

643
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,320
is um

644
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,720
with this how many acres are available

645
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,880
um

646
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,160
from this

647
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,120
2005

648
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,440
that was approved

649
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,000
and may or may not be part of

650
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,120
the zoning code because it says see

651
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,240
attachment C where

652
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,480
it's actually

653
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,110
labeled as attachment A.

654
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,760
Where attachment C or exhibit C is

655
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,040
um in that zoning code

656
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,950
I don't I don't know.

657
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,920
Um

658
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,880
exhibit A map is actually

659
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
titled that because of the ordinance.

660
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,480
It's the ordinance that adopted this.

661
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,280
I don't know if it's A.

662
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,400
The actual exhibit C is in all this

663
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
other information in the process of

664
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,640
changing and all of

665
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000
this is in the land use code.

666
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,960
is that.

667
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,920
That's why I asked for

668
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,400
And so the code that we have

669
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560
says see exhibit C.

670
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,200
But there's no exhibit C. There's a

671
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000
problem with exhibit C based on what is

672
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,560
written in the land use code. And that's

673
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,080
what I identified as A.

674
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,920
So when somebody comes in and says where

675
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280
is exhibit C

676
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,000
It's in the the ordinance that adopted

677
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,310
this.

678
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,360
Yeah, and I I go from what's in there.

679
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:29,560
Okay, that's what I'm saying.

680
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:36,030
It makes sense.

681
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
So one of the things that

682
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360
we're looking at is

683
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,040
what do we have for the multi-family?

684
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,000
What is permitted for multi-family? We

685
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,760
have a certain number outside of this

686
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240
multi-family residential zone. We also

687
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,360
have

688
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,240
um

689
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320
overlay accommodation

690
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840
eligible properties and then we also

691
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,400
have

692
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,000
high density housing overlay

693
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,830
um

694
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,679
eligible properties that can go up to 35

695
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:09,240
units per

696
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,400
We have some of those that have been

697
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
approved. There's one that's up above

698
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,880
the

699
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
Wingate Hotel.

700
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,880
Um I think it's somewhere in the

701
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
neighborhood of

702
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
320

703
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640
units that went up above the Wingate.

704
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Um

705
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Something like that. I don't remember.

706
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
And they've had their building permits

707
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800
approved for a couple years and haven't

708
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,040
pulled them. And now things have been

709
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,000
called. They haven't recorded the

710
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,200
plat

711
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,720
on that.

712
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,960
The question that we've got as we look

713
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,040
at this pipeline is there a way to send that? We also

714
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640
have discussion in the summer about

715
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,280
looking at the high density housing

716
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,520
overlay.

717
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,360
Um

718
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,870
take these requirements for the

719
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,880
we

720
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,230
open up the security center.

721
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,510
possible

722
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,910
I think we

723
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,480
This one is from Saratoga.

724
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,830
Um

725
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,360
She was in the planning. Is this

726
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,040
something that

727
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480
the planning commission

728
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,400
and

729
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,120
that's some of those changes to

730
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,440
I think it's the workforce housing

731
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240
portion of the wood city code

732
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,040
and

733
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,440
those to be eligible.

734
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,920
That was changed. That was also changes

735
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,640
that

736
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,560
we were doing in the

737
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080
number of units available.

738
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,720
two people

739
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,520
And then

740
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,720
I'm not aware of

741
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,600
anything that has come in

742
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,270
since changes in the summer time.

743
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Um

744
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
But what I know we do have, we have

745
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240
talked with the folks who are

746
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,840
posting the development of all the wood

747
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,880
in the

748
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,800
And that's just

749
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,640
been said. So,

750
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,800
is that something we would be

751
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000
considering the opportunities associated

752
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,360
with the high density housing or

753
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:23,630
overnight accommodations or

754
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,400
What are the things that

755
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,280
we really need to

756
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760
decide as

757
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,280
we look at the

758
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000
modifying the zone and the zoning code.

759
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,320
What do we want to do with this because

760
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,400
there's

761
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,760
four different

762
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
ways that we can actually look at it.

763
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,200
And so we've got this started on the

764
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,560
special

765
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,360
a couple weeks ago. It was delayed and

766
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,200
put off until this week.

767
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Um because we really didn't have time

768
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,560
and so

769
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,000
just bringing that forward and all of

770
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,600
the maps

771
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,080
the original

772
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,440
is on the county

773
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,190
website.

774
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,840
on the county GIS

775
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,000
website.

776
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
So these ones that I had printed out

777
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,200
that are larger

778
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,360
than these.

779
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
It's so you can get a right view of

780
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,080
where this is and what properties we

781
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,000
have.

782
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Um there are three properties that have

783
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,960
developed since 2005

784
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
and if you move that property,

785
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160
they will continue and let them

786
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,480
redevelop.

787
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,320
We've got the subdivisions

788
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,350
west of Milk Creek

789
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,480
north of Highway 191.

790
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,080
It's the um

791
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,040
40 units per acre.

792
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,440
overlay

793
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,400
But a lot of that property is already

794
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,000
developed. So

795
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,679
What will happen

796
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:55,000
At this point we're at citizens. Yeah.

797
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
And then I'd like to keep the hearing

798
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,040
time separate. That's where you gather

799
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,679
up all the information together and

800
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,800
let's gather up our resources.

801
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,320
>> that.

802
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Now let's gather up our resources

803
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,240
together.

804
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,160
>> one quick question for you. I know I'd

805
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,679
like to just finish this up. But I just

806
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,200
wanted to say enter. Let's finish the

807
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,240
conversation here after you. Okay. Okay.

808
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
Thank you. Just finish the hearing.

809
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,720
I just wanted to ask

810
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,200
I would just want to ask if all of these

811
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240
zones were districts. They weren't in.

812
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,840
I couldn't walk in and say I want eight

813
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,240
on eight because I'd have to go through

814
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360
a process to get that. Or is it by zone

815
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,800
and by right? That's a good question.

816
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,080
It's the overlay.

817
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,390
We'll talk That's a long answer. Okay.

818
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,920
But that's that's a great question.

819
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,240
All right. So At this point we're going

820
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,840
to move into the public hearings for

821
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,440
tonight. There are 10 public hearings.

822
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,880
The first one is a zoning text amendment

823
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,320
uh to allow outfitters, guide services

824
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,320
and facilities

825
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,520
general outfitters, guide services and

826
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,520
facilities non-ATV as permitted use in

827
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,560
the light commercial zone.

828
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120
So that's the first hearing tonight.

829
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,560
That's Mike Valentine request.

830
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,879
And

831
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:17,480
we have

832
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,919
Are you here? I'm here. So why don't we

833
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,399
start with Mike? Why don't you come up

834
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:25,240
Mike Valentine? It did say Mike in the

835
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:27,159
packet. All right. Why don't you come

836
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,440
up, introduce yourself

837
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,359
and speak so that the microphone can

838
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:32,919
capture you and we'll I'll be the

839
00:34:32,919 --> 00:34:34,919
microphone. It'll pick you up. It'll

840
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:37,240
pick you I think It'll pick you up.

841
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,000
>> Well, okay. Right here. Why don't you

842
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,430
have a seat over here?

843
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,800
Start out with an introduction and then tell us about your request. So

844
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,159
my name is Mick Valentine.

845
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,919
I'm Well, Mick, Mike, whatever. I'm

846
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:59,120
officially Michael. I've been operating

847
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,600
an e-bike uh company called e-bike Moab.

848
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,160
I'm at my property what I've owned for

849
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,120
about 30 years. 6.8 acres in 6.0

850
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
8 acres size

851
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,200
and it's zoned currently light

852
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,280
So if you just want to

853
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,840
cement plant or

854
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,320
chemical plant or whatever, but I'd like

855
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,920
to be able to

856
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,040
generate a bit more income for the city

857
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640
possibly get into outfitting, have that

858
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,720
option.

859
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,120
So we can kind of get people down there

860
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,359
with some boats because it's a big chunk

861
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:32,520
of land.

862
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,160
It'd be nice to just kind of put it to a

863
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200
bit more bit more use, you know? And

864
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,110
good for the town, good for the uh

865
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Good for the visitors. You know, we've

866
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,400
got a great reputation. Uh

867
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680
and your views, uh questions are our

868
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520
main priority, financials.

869
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:58,270
That's reflected business.

870
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Thank you, Mick.

871
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Anything else for the planning

872
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,190
commission?

873
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,160
It would be great if you guys could get

874
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,600
the outfitter. Yeah.

875
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,840
And so that appreciate your time,

876
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
your thoughts. The Yeah.

877
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,840
Don't see a downside to it.

878
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Okay. Sounds good. Thank you, Mick. All

879
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,480
right. You're welcome. You can have a

880
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,720
seat. Yeah. Take a seat. We take comment

881
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,440
and then we'll have the

882
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,400
So the next phase of this public hearing

883
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,680
is

884
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120
for the Mike Valentine zoning text

885
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,400
amendment hearing. It's now the second

886
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,080
part of the hearing. Does anybody here

887
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
in the public hearing have any comments

888
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,040
they'd like to make about the zoning

889
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,110
text amendment?

890
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,800
I think everybody must be here for the

891
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,040
second.

892
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Anybody online?

893
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,760
No. Well, just Sarah and this other

894
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,800
gentleman. Okay.

895
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,480
And

896
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Luke Burford, do you have anything for

897
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,280
the zoning

898
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,720
text amendment

899
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,120
Mike Valentine?

900
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,720
No, I don't. I don't.

901
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:07,560
Sounds good. Thank you.

902
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Sarah?

903
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,990
If we can

904
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040
have some Have Does anybody Is anybody

905
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,600
ready to make a motion on the Mike

906
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Valentine text amendment and then we can

907
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,440
start discussion? Do we have to have

908
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,280
someone I'd like to make a motion with

909
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Booth.

910
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,480
And then we get

911
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,720
Yeah, we can use Actually, yeah. Randy,

912
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,440
I think Megan brought up a good point.

913
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,800
Do you want to go over the staff

914
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,200
>> Sure. Yeah. amendment first. So

915
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,080
staff comments and then Andrew will

916
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,760
Randy will entertain your motion.

917
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,320
>> Yeah. So Mick Valentine, of course, is

918
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,600
requesting that the County Planning

919
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,000
Commission recommend to the County

920
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,400
Commission that the Grand County Land

921
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Use Code be amended to permit outfitter,

922
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,280
guide services and facilities except for

923
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,280
ATV and outfitter, guide services and

924
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
rental businesses as a permitted or

925
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920
conditional use in the light industrial

926
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,840
zone. Mr. Valentine Valentine currently

927
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,000
owns the only light industrial property

928
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,800
in the unincorporated area of in the

929
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840
unincorporated area of Grand County with

930
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,760
a

931
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,640
Spanish Valley as far as I can find. The

932
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040
property is located at the 825 West King

933
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Creek Boulevard. It is used as an e-bike

934
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,359
business. The Grand County Code

935
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,920
currently identifies various land uses

936
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,960
as permitted in light industrial zone

937
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,800
such as the uses include upper story

938
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840
residential, county estate, shop/storage

939
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,120
yard, major utilities, building material

940
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,800
sales and yard, repair services, RV and

941
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,320
boat storage, and manufacturing and

942
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120
production. Those are all permitted uses

943
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,400
in the light industrial zone. Uh the

944
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,120
Grand County Land Use Code also allows

945
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,280
outfitters, guide services and

946
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,520
facilities non-ATV

947
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,600
as conditional use permits

948
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000
uh in the multi-family residential zone

949
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120
and several commercial zones.

950
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Staff finds the request to be consistent

951
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
with other permitted uses in the light

952
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,720
industrial zone and would recommend

953
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,440
that the Planning Commission recommend

954
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,670
uh that the County Commission

955
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,160
All right. Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

956
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,000
All right. And there is a recommended

957
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,640
motion in here.

958
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,920
So Randy, if you'd like to

959
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,400
You had your hand up first. If you'd

960
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
like to make a motion. I did. I'd just

961
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,480
like to move that we do approve the zone

962
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,120
change and the amendment and I had a

963
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,560
question to ask after that but that's my

964
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,440
Okay, do we have a second?

965
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480
I will second that.

966
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Sure, it's a second.

967
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,400
All right,

968
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,120
so now we'll go into discussion and

969
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Randy if you had a question you'd be my

970
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,160
first list. It says except for ATV or

971
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
other guide services.

972
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,840
Which kind of confuses me.

973
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,800
We're going to allow guides

974
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
in their commercial

975
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,240
or in our R&G which range and grazing

976
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,800
here anywhere around this valley?

977
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Unless you're in the valley.

978
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,400
That's not happening.

979
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,120
I've been on all these rocks

980
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,120
and you're not range and grazing. Maybe

981
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,280
a few

982
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,280
lizards and that's about all you're

983
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,200
going to get raised. Yeah, so Your

984
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
question is why would we exclude the ATV

985
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,240
or guide service and rental businesses?

986
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:33,520
>> Thank you. Yeah, why would they exclude

987
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,000
that guide service and allow everybody

988
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,240
else? Yeah.

989
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,440
Um, and I can only go off of what I

990
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,440
would assume which is that there may

991
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,320
have been in the past some issues with

992
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,960
um, in a commercial zone having ATV

993
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
outfitters. It's all in our code. We

994
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,680
have two

995
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,680
outfitters. One is non-ATV and one is

996
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,480
ATV. And the ATV ones are restricted

997
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,840
where they can go. The non-ATV ones are

998
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,960
a little more from the service.

999
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Um, I guess there must be some issue

1000
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,280
with Neil, we visited at a different

1001
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,600
time and yeah. Well, I think in this in

1002
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,520
this case the landowner is not

1003
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,640
requesting we add ATV services.

1004
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,560
>> No, he's not. It's a little really it's

1005
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,800
a little bit different.

1006
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Seems pretty interesting to me at least.

1007
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,550
All right.

1008
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Uh,

1009
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,120
just to make clear this is not a

1010
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,840
conditional use. Yeah. This is a

1011
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
permitted use within the zoning

1012
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,560
designation.

1013
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,560
>> This is a change to the land use code.

1014
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,880
Right. Right now

1015
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,120
that square for light industrial and

1016
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,440
housing is blank. Okay. So, either you

1017
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,200
do B as permitted

1018
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
or C as conditional.

1019
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,760
>> Right. And the request is you

1020
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,960
you've got a lot of

1021
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,760
light industrial uses that are permitted

1022
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,080
uses that are more intense Yeah. than

1023
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,680
this type of use. And so that's why they

1024
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,400
allowed this than to approve it.

1025
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,920
He is permitted but he could also

1026
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,600
recommend that it be a conditional use

1027
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800
instead. And just a moment. Just to

1028
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,120
clarify to you Andrew, this is the only

1029
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,520
property that's light industrial zone.

1030
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,280
That's not correct, Andrew?

1031
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,120
We have light industrial zone in office

1032
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,840
and that's

1033
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,720
Not yet. That's just I thought it is.

1034
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,110
Um

1035
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,320
All right, my comments are going to be

1036
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,760
that first that if the applicant has

1037
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,080
asked for what they're asking for that's

1038
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,360
all we can go with. So, what what Andrew

1039
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,840
is presenting is what the applicant is

1040
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,520
asked for.

1041
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Um

1042
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,360
We have

1043
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,120
two other light industrial areas in the

1044
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,440
county. One is the batch plant

1045
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,400
on the on the number

1046
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,680
of Keys batch plant.

1047
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,000
And I don't remember how many acres it

1048
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,400
is but it is close to four Yeah, five

1049
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,280
probably. And then one I found that I

1050
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,560
thought was interesting when I first

1051
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,520
found out that we were

1052
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,680
looking at something that in the

1053
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,280
industrial zone I thought well and I

1054
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,840
actually thought this had already been

1055
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,880
annexed because it's totally surrounded

1056
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,960
by city. It's going to need to get city

1057
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,920
services this this particular lot.

1058
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
And um

1059
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,080
So, I was wondering and I got looking

1060
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,920
and I thought well that's

1061
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,240
that would be I thought that had already

1062
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,040
been annexed into the city.

1063
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,360
And it even come on its tax notice it's

1064
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,840
taxed in the city. I don't know why.

1065
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
The other one is behind

1066
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,160
um

1067
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,440
It's 28 acres and it's behind this

1068
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,440
McGraw campground there on the northern.

1069
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,960
I have no idea when that happened. I'm

1070
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,080
sure it's an older one because at some

1071
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
point that whole area had light

1072
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,120
industrial uses.

1073
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Um, it was probably part of the old um

1074
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,720
gas plant I guess.

1075
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,600
And of course

1076
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,880
and our

1077
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,359
Keys batch plant's been there

1078
00:44:02,359 --> 00:44:03,640
for longer than I've been in the valley

1079
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,160
I think. So, it's been put in that one.

1080
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,840
So, those two parcels are light

1081
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
industrial. Not that I have a problem

1082
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,040
with either one of them and I think

1083
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,920
honestly

1084
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,000
I don't think this is a bad idea.

1085
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,200
The problems I'm having one is it's in

1086
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,800
the annexation area and it's surrounded

1087
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,320
by city and will have to have city

1088
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,840
services.

1089
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,320
And two, we're so close to getting our

1090
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,440
land use code written.

1091
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Let's not break something we're going to

1092
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,520
have to fix because we're doing that.

1093
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,120
We're breaking this ordinance the land

1094
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,520
use code all over the place and we just

1095
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,800
need to get it fixed.

1096
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,600
I think it's it is so close let's have

1097
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,480
it.

1098
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,680
I think it's a good fit personally.

1099
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,160
We take it. I think it's a good picture

1100
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,240
of a little bit and you break some

1101
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:45,440
glass.

1102
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,320
So, we've got um Mary Aaron. Randy, did

1103
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,280
you have more comments? No, I'm good.

1104
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Okay. So, I'll be after Aaron.

1105
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,240
Or you want to go before Aaron? Or you

1106
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,560
want Aaron to go first? I think he's got

1107
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,080
that list before.

1108
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,720
I I've got a couple of new things per

1109
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:59,840
county. I'll come back.

1110
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,160
>> Okay.

1111
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,359
Can I ask Mick a question? Sure. So,

1112
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,440
Mick you you stated that you've been

1113
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,640
running an outfitting service out of

1114
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,200
there for 30 years. No, sorry. I'm on

1115
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,160
the property. Okay, got you. I'm sorry.

1116
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,400
I misunderstood. And then during the

1117
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,600
pandemic

1118
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,520
lack of better idea I started doing the e-bike business which took off.

1119
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,480
>> Out of that property? Yes, but it's not

1120
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,280
really utilizing the space. Okay.

1121
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,560
You know, of course it has business

1122
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,600
licenses and everything.

1123
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600
It's my mom and I see.

1124
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,440
Um, but I just figured there's more

1125
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,160
potential there.

1126
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,640
Okay.

1127
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,760
>> Because it's 6.8 acres. Right.

1128
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,400
>> And it's got no parking for maybe 60

1129
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,960
cars. So, do you mind if I make a couple

1130
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,040
comments? So, I I I think You're

1131
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,960
absolutely wrong. If if you're okay if you're okay with me saying this, in

1132
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,040
theory you already you are already

1133
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,560
running an outfitting business out of

1134
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,480
it. I understand you want to expand it.

1135
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Um, I would say the same thing. My issues are that how did the land use

1136
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,840
code get broken? This is how it got

1137
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,160
broken is that we all along have made

1138
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,840
these minor changes, juggles and

1139
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,760
specifically if you're messing with the

1140
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,840
land use code

1141
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,920
and we're not updating the standards,

1142
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,880
this is how it became the mess that it

1143
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,760
is.

1144
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,320
And so my recommendation would be that

1145
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,040
we incorporate what Mick wants to do

1146
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,280
into the update

1147
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,480
and we just allow that process to occur.

1148
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,520
He's already running a business out of

1149
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,920
there. He might not be able to do it.

1150
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,600
It'll probably take us for saying maybe

1151
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,400
nine months.

1152
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,480
But so there's we're going to give them

1153
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,200
a laundry list of the things that need

1154
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,040
to be updated but that we allow it to

1155
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,200
again do it holistically cuz if all

1156
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,840
we're doing is updating the table but

1157
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,680
not the standards that go to the table,

1158
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,000
we're further breaking

1159
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,720
the broken land use code. So, and I

1160
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,800
think overall I think it's a really bad

1161
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,600
idea to manipulate our land use code for

1162
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,280
one property.

1163
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,560
I think it's a really bad idea and

1164
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,000
that's how we've gotten into the pickle

1165
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
that we're in is that obviously over

1166
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,560
time with different commissions and

1167
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,640
different P&Z directors we've done this,

1168
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,320
right? We've done it. We've done it.

1169
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,960
and thus we have the

1170
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,040
disaster that we have. So, that's my

1171
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,040
opinion that you know, you you give Mick

1172
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,120
what he wants but we do it with the

1173
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,520
consultants and we do it right.

1174
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,550
Any other comments?

1175
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,280
I'm listening to

1176
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,280
So, like I'm very aware of that fact

1177
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,400
that we need light light industrial like

1178
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,320
it's been shown

1179
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,680
to to me

1180
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,600
and I'm like I don't want to lose that

1181
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,359
zoning but I'm also wondering if it

1182
00:47:46,359 --> 00:47:47,760
would be better

1183
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,400
like if I was applying to this it would

1184
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,680
be like change the zoning instead of

1185
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,160
like uh, change your zoning of your

1186
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,840
property rather than asking us to change

1187
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
our whole program. And that's what where

1188
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
I'm kind of like I like industrial

1189
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,560
zoning. Like I feel like that's a good

1190
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,880
spot and I feel like he's asking kind of

1191
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,040
for like a downgrade.

1192
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,840
>> Yeah. And but like I'm not concerned

1193
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,960
about just one property. I'm concerned

1194
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,720
about the county in the whole and that's

1195
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:17,640
why I

1196
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,200
I'm very sympathetic to Mary

1197
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,800
Mary's argument and and it's like

1198
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,320
yeah, we have an applicant but is it

1199
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,000
like

1200
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,680
do but

1201
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,240
you know, is it better

1202
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,320
if it's better to be like

1203
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,720
somebody wants to use this use, yeah,

1204
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,880
just just change your zoning to

1205
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,600
commercial and then you get it. And then

1206
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,480
I'm just like

1207
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,560
play that game like play our legal like

1208
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,080
our legal framework on that. But you

1209
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,359
know, I just

1210
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:50,000
I'm just kind of like

1211
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,120
that's where I'm like torn with this.

1212
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,480
Like I see it as a like what I see the

1213
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,840
zoning as like as a

1214
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,240
as usage impacts go up, it should almost

1215
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,880
include everything on the bottom but

1216
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,000
we're also in charge of steering the

1217
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,560
development of the county and that

1218
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,240
industrial use or industrial use

1219
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,440
is something that we really prioritize

1220
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,640
or we need. And so that's where I'm kind

1221
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,000
of like

1222
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,680
you know, but I'm we're also not in the

1223
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,760
game of dictating what to do with your

1224
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,320
And you get you have the outer side

1225
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,320
that's a light industrial special

1226
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,400
service overlay area and then the piles.

1227
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,000
Property those piles?

1228
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,640
Is that the batch plant area? Piles is I

1229
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,560
mean the batch plant is Keys in the

1230
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,920
south. And the other one is behind the

1231
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,359
zoning. And everybody have that that um

1232
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:41,600
the I'm just saying

1233
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,440
that's a whole different baby. To the

1234
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,880
back It is like the back the back plant

1235
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,480
to cut straight across pretty much from

1236
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960
where plateau comes out. But I also have

1237
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,800
a problem with

1238
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,470
my time.

1239
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:03,430
I mine is expensive.

1240
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,360
No, I just you know, it's like I was

1241
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,120
having a conversation with an economist

1242
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,200
today. Um you know, one of the things

1243
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
that he brought up is, you know, one of

1244
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,840
the things that that we do terrible job

1245
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,280
with here in Grand County is saying who

1246
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,600
we are and where we want to go.

1247
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,800
Um and when you look at it and you look

1248
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,120
at our economy, we we think of this idea

1249
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,400
that whatever we're going to choose

1250
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,440
next.

1251
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,240
Um it's going to have to be an export,

1252
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,040
right? And manufacturing's probably not

1253
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,280
a reality here. Agriculture's probably

1254
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,120
not a reality here anymore. So, the the best the best export that we

1255
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,520
have is actually going to be tourism.

1256
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,280
And having worked in the tourism

1257
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,560
industry for a long a long time and and

1258
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,800
looking at it now, there are not very

1259
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,560
many places where you can actually

1260
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
diversify your tourism business here in

1261
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Grand County.

1262
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,240
The city of Moab, take it off the table.

1263
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,200
There's no more outfitting businesses.

1264
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,760
So, our number one export, right, which

1265
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,680
is tourism, has no place to diversify,

1266
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,040
which means that we have no place to

1267
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120
grow, we have nowhere to actually become

1268
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,960
the destination that that that we can be

1269
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,520
because we do nothing but delay and

1270
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,120
restrict Moab. And until we can go ahead

1271
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,360
and take those delays and the

1272
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,760
restrictions off businesses, we're going

1273
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,360
to keep having this stagnant economy.

1274
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,880
So, those are the viewpoints that I have

1275
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,120
about this. Do you want to explain? Um

1276
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,640
We had spoke I've already spoke. If you

1277
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,400
want to speak, you can speak. Mary, you

1278
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,960
speak and then we'll get to you. Yeah, I

1279
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,840
can do about you if you speak first. But

1280
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,280
no.

1281
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,520
I So, Well, I I had I had

1282
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,400
uh

1283
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,800
two kinds of concerns. One one is I

1284
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,640
don't know maybe it's the opposite or

1285
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,160
reflects Aaron's which is, you know,

1286
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,280
what is the status of light industrial?

1287
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,760
Do we have enough light industrial to do

1288
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,280
woodworking, communication towers,

1289
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,960
machine shops or not? So, of course that

1290
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,080
would actually argue keep it light

1291
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,960
industrial in some ways cuz you could go

1292
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,080
back and do something uh else, but it

1293
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,920
would be really nice to have some This

1294
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,680
is the kind of thing where when we do this comprehensive land use

1295
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,800
code, hopefully as we figure out what

1296
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,720
zones are actually going to be in these places, we get some sense of how

1297
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,720
much of what we have for different kinds

1298
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,680
of zones, which I think Andrew's trying

1299
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,720
to do with uh you know, what what kinds

1300
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,600
of densities do we have to allow people

1301
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,400
to have housing. Uh the other one the

1302
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,120
other the other thing I thought was

1303
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:36,720
uh

1304
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,160
interesting, we're going to make this a

1305
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,920
maybe permitted

1306
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,760
right? Or

1307
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,480
conditional. I think it's a an important

1308
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,720
distinction. If we were doing this

1309
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,840
holistically, which is what I think we

1310
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,920
actually ought to do in the land use

1311
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,440
process, then we would look at each of

1312
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,400
these other

1313
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,920
zones. I don't know, maybe highway

1314
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,640
commercial. There were four or so zones

1315
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,960
that say conditionally you can do this

1316
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,000
use and treat them equal to this light

1317
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,800
industrial that doesn't have it right

1318
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000
now and think well, maybe this is

1319
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,040
something that we really really need and

1320
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,720
go across the board and figure out some

1321
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,400
of those maybe permitted. Some other

1322
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,680
of those

1323
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,520
uh zoning things uh should be

1324
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,400
conditional. I think I'm in favor of

1325
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,240
doing this as a comprehensive process.

1326
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,080
That's probably where I would come down.

1327
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,960
Okay, thanks, honey. And Mary, you had a

1328
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,760
Yeah, a couple just couple of

1329
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,560
um

1330
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,840
remarks.

1331
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,640
Everything that Brian said and

1332
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,840
everything Randy said and everything

1333
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Aaron said is the perfect example of why

1334
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,000
we need to fix the code code

1335
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,480
holistically.

1336
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,880
Um

1337
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,120
it's going to correct all the issues we

1338
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,359
have. I really don't And I I do believe we need to keep it

1339
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:55,040
industrial, but just allow that use cuz

1340
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,200
he could sell it tomorrow and then we

1341
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,560
could use it for whatever industrial

1342
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,400
uses allowed, but we need to fix all

1343
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,520
that in our our matrix. We need to find

1344
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,440
one of the other problems we're having

1345
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,520
with like um Andrew or

1346
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Randy just asked is what's the

1347
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,240
difference? We don't have a definition.

1348
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,520
We should have definitions for that. And

1349
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,720
when this was first written, we didn't

1350
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,720
have the people in the bike problems we

1351
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,480
have now, the bike shops and the bike

1352
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,040
areas and and the and even e-bikes at

1353
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,760
that point. So, that's a lot of the

1354
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,760
reasons why the definition here doesn't

1355
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,400
really match.

1356
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,280
So, those are the things we need to get

1357
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,400
fixed. I 100% I think we should wait

1358
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,200
till all that's done and we can fix it

1359
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,080
all, get it ready, and all the things

1360
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,720
that people are having a problem with

1361
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,680
um I I'm not saying our land use code

1362
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,240
will be perfect, but at least it will

1363
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:45,400
answer some of the questions we're

1364
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,400
having and we won't have these arguments

1365
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,760
and everybody's answers will be

1366
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,000
answered.

1367
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,480
I And definitions to me are so

1368
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,000
important. You wouldn't believe how

1369
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,880
often they were used and needed to be

1370
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,720
used because a definition tells you,

1371
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,120
well, this is what that means and this

1372
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,720
is where it's allowed.

1373
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,120
And we need to do all of that. There's

1374
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,040
just a lot of work to happen.

1375
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,840
May I uh

1376
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,240
May I explain? We're going to have We're

1377
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,440
going to finish our delivery. This this

1378
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,600
is the old stuff.

1379
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,480
We're going to have We're going to

1380
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,920
finish our delivered deliberations at

1381
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,040
the planning commission.

1382
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,720
>> And the public hearing notice does say

1383
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,160
ordinance amended to Grand County zoning

1384
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,240
text to permit outfitter guide services

1385
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,840
non-ATV

1386
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,720
as a permitted or conditional use in

1387
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,760
light industrial zone. So, we'd actually

1388
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,320
uh We have the options. To do it

1389
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,160
or Really? So, that we have an option of

1390
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,480
either Yeah, so the public hearing was

1391
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,200
either permitted or conditional use.

1392
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Right now it's My motion's permitted.

1393
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,359
Either permitted or conditional use. My

1394
00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:48,760
motion's permitted.

1395
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,120
Jerry, can I say something?

1396
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,400
Sure. Sure, Sarah.

1397
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,680
Um I brought a project to the county in

1398
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,080
the late summer of 2021

1399
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,520
and I was told

1400
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,440
just hang on. We're going to have the

1401
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,760
land use code. We're going to have

1402
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,760
everything done by next summer.

1403
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,240
And so

1404
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:15,480
um as a as a citizen, as a person,

1405
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,873
how do I say this? I don't trust us.

1406
00:56:17,873 --> 00:56:19,000
>> [laughter]

1407
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,480
>> Um you know, we keep telling people

1408
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,520
we're going to have this, we're going to

1409
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,120
have this, and yet here's a business

1410
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,480
owner who's trying to encourage tourism,

1411
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,280
um who's trying to offer a different

1412
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,320
kind of service.

1413
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,920
I think we need to get out of people's

1414
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,349
way.

1415
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:42,080
Thank you, Sarah.

1416
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,680
Megan, did you ever come in? I'm going

1417
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,960
to piggyback off of Sarah a little bit

1418
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,280
because

1419
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,880
this is a repeat issue that we have at

1420
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,960
this table where

1421
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,880
and I understand the land use code is

1422
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,640
what's holding us back.

1423
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,000
However, we have someone who is an established business owner at

1424
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,160
this point who is already running

1425
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,120
something out of this property.

1426
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,320
If we wait until the land use code and

1427
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,200
say keep waiting, keep waiting because

1428
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,120
we've been doing this for several years

1429
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,320
now,

1430
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,960
that's a whole season that this

1431
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,680
business is going to miss out on because

1432
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,320
we don't have our land use code done.

1433
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,120
So, if we're going to be tabling these

1434
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,680
things because the land use code is not

1435
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,600
done, then I am going to make a

1436
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,080
suggestion that we don't focus on

1437
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,920
anything but the land use code until the

1438
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,320
land use code is done because I am tired

1439
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,520
of holding people back from trying to

1440
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,560
make a living in this town. We are not

1441
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,240
supporting our economy by continuing to

1442
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,680
drag our feet on this land use code

1443
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,800
update.

1444
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,960
Okay.

1445
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Last question. So,

1446
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,440
in Robertson's thing,

1447
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,960
you can offer an amended motion. Can you

1448
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,600
offer an alternative motion? Yeah.

1449
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,800
So, can I put an alternative motion that

1450
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,359
we do this as a conditional use permit

1451
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:02,920
and then have the debate around that?

1452
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,359
That's up to you. You made a motion.

1453
00:58:06,359 --> 00:58:08,640
Is that Is that permitted in Robertson's

1454
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,359
rule? Yeah, you you can you can you can

1455
00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:13,120
propose an amended motion. Get to vote

1456
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,960
on it. Can I propose a alternative Is it

1457
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,040
amended or alternative motion?

1458
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,640
>> You can In this case, I would think you

1459
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,120
could amend it from permanent to Yeah. I

1460
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,880
just want to have that discussion about

1461
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,120
it.

1462
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,400
>> I think that this is just a

1463
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,240
recommendation to the county commission.

1464
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,120
And I just want to have the conversation

1465
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,760
on that. So, I'll I'll propose a motion.

1466
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,680
I'll second it. We have a motion on the

1467
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,200
floor with a second.

1468
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,000
And we have to deal with that. Oh, wait.

1469
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,440
That's the person that made the motion,

1470
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,480
whether or not they would amend their

1471
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,920
motion. Depending on what it is you say

1472
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,280
and how the person that made the motion

1473
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,600
reacts to it and the second.

1474
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,840
Otherwise, you cannot. Well, if that's

1475
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,359
the rule, then what we do is vote on it

1476
00:58:52,359 --> 00:58:54,000
and if it doesn't pass,

1477
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,520
then we can make a new motion. Why don't

1478
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,560
we just do that? Yeah, that's fine.

1479
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,800
Yeah, sure, cuz I'm not changing my

1480
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,480
motion. So, we we have a motion on the

1481
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,640
floor.

1482
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,880
Um

1483
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,520
if we Do we have any more comments?

1484
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,800
I do see.

1485
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Go ahead. I I really like what Sarah

1486
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,359
said and and and

1487
00:59:12,359 --> 00:59:15,560
I appreciate Michelle and what she said,

1488
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,680
but I've been the guy sitting there

1489
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,760
waiting for that nine months.

1490
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,680
And that's a big deal.

1491
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,440
It's a big deal to him cuz it's his

1492
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
nickels, not yours. Okay? We're here to

1493
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,160
protect private property rights along

1494
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,520
with the public good. And that is all.

1495
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,440
It is not our job to decide how many

1496
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,120
units we're going to create. We're going

1497
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,640
to look at the areas that we think these

1498
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,400
units could be good in.

1499
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,000
It's what he's doing and asking for in

1500
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,360
that zone should be the only thing in my

1501
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,760
mind considered.

1502
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Is it a viable use in that zone?

1503
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,360
It's an additive. It doesn't affect

1504
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,320
anything we will do now or later.

1505
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,040
And we don't like it. It seems like a

1506
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,840
fair use to me, but I think motors

1507
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,680
should be included.

1508
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,120
I look at that and go, "Yeah, guides are

1509
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,000
our business."

1510
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,800
And the sentence Grand County, we did

1511
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,600
that in '91.

1512
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,560
We made those choices.

1513
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,640
I was there when those happened. Then I

1514
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,400
watched the Richard Bryce show take off.

1515
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,680
That was a big part of that. I want to

1516
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,600
fix that.

1517
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,080
That's why I'm sitting on this board,

1518
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,280
hopefully to help get that done.

1519
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,120
So, my motion stands as read as a

1520
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,160
permitted use to allow that in that zone

1521
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,400
as an additive to the zone. Nothing

1522
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,240
more, nothing less.

1523
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,200
Let's vote and move on so these guys can

1524
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,160
go home and the next guys can step in

1525
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,800
the arena.

1526
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,600
All right, did you have anything? Yeah,

1527
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,080
just just two small things. One is Well,

1528
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,640
let's just make sure that we're not

1529
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,840
letting perfect get in the way of good.

1530
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,960
And then second, that we are setting the

1531
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,440
precedent for the folks who will be

1532
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,960
doing our next meeting. So, I'm sure

1533
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,080
that they will be reviewing these. I'm

1534
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,240
sure all three applicants at some point

1535
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,840
are going to come by and look at this.

1536
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,640
And so, the actions that we're taking

1537
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,280
now will be providing them direction as

1538
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,400
we move into that update. I agree with

1539
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,920
that. All right, I see.

1540
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,880
No more comments?

1541
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,080
Then we'll go ahead and have the vote.

1542
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,480
All of those in favor of Randy's motion,

1543
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,720
make this a permanent

1544
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,400
um addition.

1545
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,960
Permission permitted. So, permitted use

1546
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,080
it.

1547
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:21,310
>> Permitted use. Zone. All those in favor?

1548
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,762
And sir Yep, sir voted for it as well.

1549
01:01:23,762 --> 01:01:23,920
[clears throat]

1550
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:24,960
>> a yes.

1551
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,520
All of those All of those against?

1552
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,440
One.

1553
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,200
And any abstentions? Two.

1554
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,040
Oh, okay. It's varied. There'll be two

1555
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,320
against. Five for, two against. Motion

1556
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,590
passes. I think

1557
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,560
All right, with that, we'll move on to

1558
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,120
the public hearing the next public

1559
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,440
hearing for tonight.

1560
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,360
I agree with Todd.

1561
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,190
Yep, thank you, mate.

1562
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,560
And

1563
01:01:54,560 --> 01:02:00,470
we can go right ahead.

1564
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,280
On this one,

1565
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,720
um

1566
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,440
this is an ordinance of amending the

1567
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,080
Grand Grand County zoning map from range

1568
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,120
and grazing to resort commercial for

1569
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Mini New Ventures LLC. Is Dean present?

1570
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,560
I am. This is one

1571
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,840
that we've had come before the

1572
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,600
commission before. I think most of us

1573
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,160
were here then.

1574
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,120
They asked them to for some more

1575
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,000
information and

1576
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,040
the request that time was commercial and

1577
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,200
this is is different actually. It's

1578
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:35,150
resort.

1579
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,760
So, with that,

1580
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,760
would the applicant like to come up and

1581
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:57,030
address the commission?

1582
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:02,670
Hi.

1583
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,320
Thank you for coming in and thank you

1584
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,680
for addressing the commission. If you

1585
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,960
could start by giving us your name.

1586
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Hi, I'm Ashley Steens.

1587
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,870
I'm Mark Steen. And her father.

1588
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,880
Uh thank you for taking our request

1589
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,000
again.

1590
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,920
The last time we wrote was I think about

1591
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,680
3 months ago and we haven't heard

1592
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,680
anything until this month. So, we've

1593
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,080
been very patient and appreciate

1594
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,080
attention to our application.

1595
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:33,680
Um

1596
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,080
I think we really outlined all of the

1597
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,360
questions that were proposed to us in

1598
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,760
the last meeting in our letter.

1599
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:41,360
Um

1600
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,160
I trust that you've all received it and

1601
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,760
read it. If you have questions about it,

1602
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,200
I think that'd probably be the best way

1603
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,240
for us to

1604
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,000
approach it cuz we really were very

1605
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,840
clear and outlined everything that you

1606
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,440
guys asked last time. So, I don't really

1607
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,920
know what there could be left to

1608
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,280
wonder. Okay, that's fair.

1609
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,560
Um

1610
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,120
we uh

1611
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,400
I think in the this is kind of the open

1612
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,120
part where we haven't made a motion yet.

1613
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,280
And uh we'll begin our deliberation

1614
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,160
after we have a better understanding of

1615
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,280
the request. I think you know, your

1616
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,200
information came out in the in the

1617
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,920
packet and

1618
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,800
I thought it was quite clear, too. But I

1619
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,840
think it's a good time for anybody on

1620
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,040
the commission to ask you folks if they

1621
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,520
have uh any questions or need any

1622
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,040
clarification.

1623
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,280
Can Andrew give kind of a a report or

1624
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,680
show your your background? That'd be

1625
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,880
great just to have that context.

1626
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,080
Sure. So, the background is the Steen

1627
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,040
family is requesting a zone map

1628
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,880
amendment for a property they own from

1629
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,359
range range and grazing to resort

1630
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:51,520
commercial to accommodate various

1631
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,200
outdoor recreation uses,

1632
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,320
primary and secondary, consistent with

1633
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,880
the Grand County land use code.

1634
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,120
The

1635
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,000
um zone change request is consistent

1636
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,680
with the future land use plan for

1637
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,480
Spanish Valley, which was adopted

1638
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,840
December 17th of 2024, repealing and

1639
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,920
replacing section six

1640
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,520
of the land use code uh land use

1641
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,160
um section of the 2030 general plan. The

1642
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,840
applicant came before the planning

1643
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,400
commission April 14th of 2025

1644
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,400
and presented their plans for the

1645
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,920
property. The planning commission

1646
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,400
provided substantial feedback. They

1647
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,880
concluded a request for more

1648
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,160
clarification on

1649
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,840
um the following uh and resolution

1650
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,359
clarification and resolution of the

1651
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:39,640
following issues. One, annexation

1652
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,760
status. Two, infrastructure and access.

1653
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,359
Three, use intent and scope. Four, food

1654
01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:51,040
truck. Five, ATV accessible event space.

1655
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,120
Six,

1656
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,000
future land use plan alignment. And

1657
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,440
seven, environmental and scenic

1658
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,359
protection. Applicant uh

1659
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:03,359
sent a letter on July 22nd of 2025

1660
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:06,160
responding to the feedback received at

1661
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,760
the planning commission meeting and in

1662
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,040
April of 2025.

1663
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,359
The multiple planning commission general

1664
01:06:12,359 --> 01:06:16,120
public and that response is attached

1665
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,560
from Ms. Steen. Staff finds that the

1666
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,640
applicant has adequately addressed the

1667
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,400
feedback to the April 14th, 2025

1668
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,920
meeting. Furthermore, the staff finds

1669
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,320
the application is consistent with the

1670
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,200
future land use plan

1671
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,160
of Spanish Valley, which designates the

1672
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,600
property as resort and tourist

1673
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,040
recreation. Additionally, staff finds

1674
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:38,960
that

1675
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,520
page 45 of the future land use plan of

1676
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,280
Spanish Valley translates the resort and

1677
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,720
tourist recreation to resort commercial

1678
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,000
and/or resort special.

1679
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,800
Uh therefore, based on these findings,

1680
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,200
staff recommends that the planning

1681
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,880
commission recommend approval of the

1682
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,040
zoning map amendment consistent with the

1683
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:01,790
general plan to the county commission.

1684
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,760
So, we didn't start this process. Uh we

1685
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,240
first became aware of the fact that we

1686
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,600
were in a

1687
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,640
area that was going to be should be

1688
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,400
zoned resort commercial.

1689
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,720
And uh

1690
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,320
so, we followed that up with meetings

1691
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,000
and then our application and then we

1692
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:21,880
were

1693
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,640
surprised when there were so many

1694
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,560
objections to the fact that we were

1695
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
doing what the county planning

1696
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,080
department had recommended. So,

1697
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:31,880
uh

1698
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,800
took quite a bit of time and my daughter

1699
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,960
and I answered all of the questions that

1700
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,760
were raised at that hearing.

1701
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,920
And

1702
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,320
uh we think we've addressed them

1703
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,760
adequately.

1704
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,320
Uh it is a commercial operation up there

1705
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,200
at the present time

1706
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,200
uh operated by the Bynum family's uh Raven's Rim zip

1707
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,240
line.

1708
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,760
And uh they have plans to make it a a

1709
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,120
better operation and it's a commercial

1710
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:00,960
operation. It's not

1711
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:01,840
uh

1712
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,200
the plans for a resort. And you're not

1713
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,560
going to have a uh

1714
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,680
Cloud Rock development.

1715
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,240
You need to worry about a uh

1716
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,800
what's it called? Echo Canyon.

1717
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,230
It's not uh not in the

1718
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,000
uh our aligned path to resort. And And

1719
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,440
that's because the property, which I

1720
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:26,400
hope some of you are very familiar with,

1721
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:27,400
is

1722
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:28,120
uh

1723
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,000
basically uh barren wasteland

1724
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,920
uh particularly out where the zip line

1725
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,040
is and the uh

1726
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,839
the Slickrock Trail.

1727
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:40,960
And then we've got the world's most

1728
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,280
popular

1729
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,600
uh four-wheel drive uh

1730
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,280
extravaganza,

1731
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,200
all of which we inherited sort of

1732
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,040
by standing back and watching the

1733
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,440
development.

1734
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:54,719
Uh my father

1735
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:58,200
uh was approached back in 1967,

1736
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,880
'68 uh for a motorcycle trail

1737
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,280
across the

1738
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,160
this property, which it's the only

1739
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,040
private property of both the uh uh

1740
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,960
of any size. And

1741
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,080
so, my dad granted the easement and

1742
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,080
uh

1743
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,160
I imagine there were maybe 20 or 30

1744
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,640
people used it a year and suddenly it

1745
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,520
became the world's most famous Slickrock

1746
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,160
bike trail.

1747
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,279
And then uh which is fine and

1748
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,000
they didn't interfere with anything we

1749
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,960
were doing, and uh

1750
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,799
I've never been on it on a bicycle, I'll

1751
01:09:33,799 --> 01:09:35,799
tell you that.

1752
01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:38,120
And then the uh

1753
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,480
Hell's Revenge became

1754
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:43,759
uh phenomenal uh increase. If If anyone

1755
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:46,000
goes up there, there's hundreds and

1756
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,160
hundreds of people every day

1757
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,960
uh during the tourist season on our

1758
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,000
property, and we haven't excluded anyone

1759
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,200
from the use of it. We grant easements

1760
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,680
where necessary. For $1? Yes. So, when I

1761
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,040
come here, I'm uh reminded that the

1762
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,440
first time I came to Moab uh

1763
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:08,600
when I would have been 1 or 2 years old,

1764
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,640
60% of the people living here

1765
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,080
uh had outdoor plumbing.

1766
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:15,440
Privies.

1767
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,000
And 60% of the people living here were

1768
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,400
heating their homes with coal or wood

1769
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,600
burning

1770
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,560
uh

1771
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,000
stoves, and there was an inversion layer

1772
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,560
where it was worse than Los Angeles at

1773
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,400
any time. People were actually couldn't

1774
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,280
breathe in this town in the

1775
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,680
dead of winter.

1776
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,680
And

1777
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,240
only the well-to-do

1778
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,480
uh had propane heat.

1779
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:41,680
And there were there were no sewer

1780
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,640
lines, and so it was quite a uh

1781
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:52,200
a different community, and there were at that time there were 19,000

1782
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,640
peach trees

1783
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,160
in this valley, 19,000.

1784
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,800
And peach farming

1785
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,120
produce was the main

1786
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,200
uh

1787
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,680
economic activity. And I guarantee you

1788
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,080
none of those people would have ever

1789
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,000
thought that there'd be a Slickrock bike

1790
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,600
trail or Hell's Revenge, or

1791
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,880
almost more uh hotel motel rooms than

1792
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,520
citizens. So, everything changes, and

1793
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,040
we'd like to

1794
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,120
uh request that you

1795
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,920
approve this so that

1796
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,720
the people who are using our property

1797
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,720
can do so uh so in a a way that uh makes

1798
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:36,510
it more profitable for all concerned.

1799
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,240
Ashley, did you have anything to add?

1800
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,800
Um

1801
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,560
No, I don't think so. Okay. I think we

1802
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,240
covered it.

1803
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,960
Um do we have any questions for the

1804
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,280
Steens?

1805
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,040
I have a couple.

1806
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,320
Go ahead. So, Mr. Steen, you've owned

1807
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,320
that property for some time.

1808
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,000
First, let me thank you for allowing us

1809
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,400
to put the big G up there on your

1810
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,840
property.

1811
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,680
Grand County High School alumni as

1812
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,520
others in this room are.

1813
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,280
And I really appreciate the big G.

1814
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,640
I mean, it's the only place we could get

1815
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,080
it put up.

1816
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,000
And we appreciate that. Cuz I go back

1817
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,600
whenever I can to

1818
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,560
honor the big G. Now, with that being

1819
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,640
said

1820
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,400
I don't remember seeing any corrals up

1821
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,280
there for cattle. So, what's your AUM on

1822
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,080
that 60 how many acres you got up there?

1823
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,400
Uh

1824
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,440
the only agricultural use in the entire

1825
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:28,000
history of that property is that uh

1826
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,720
people my father bought the land from,

1827
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,240
we bought about 3 square miles of land.

1828
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,440
That's why

1829
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:36,880
the subdivisions down in the flat land,

1830
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,960
and then

1831
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,920
the home property, and then this land up

1832
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,680
above was all part of a package deal,

1833
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,160
and they used to drive the cattle

1834
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,920
across that big broad bench all the way

1835
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,560
to the La Sal Mountains. And there

1836
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,240
there's never been cattle running up

1837
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,080
there. There's no water.

1838
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,560
So, it's not a

1839
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,480
really uh agricultural Last cattle drive

1840
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:59,400
I remember was Don Holyoke pushing his

1841
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,400
cows off the flat, bringing them down

1842
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,200
through the old springs, and then he'll

1843
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,800
ranch them out

1844
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,560
across the bridge and into the flat. So

1845
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,320
I appreciate that. So, my point would be

1846
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,120
by asking such a redundant question,

1847
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,400
which we all know there's no AUMs up

1848
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,320
there.

1849
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,960
So, range and grazing is obviously a

1850
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,600
fallback zone in this county.

1851
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,240
It has no meaning. It has no standing.

1852
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,520
It doesn't help or assist anyone.

1853
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Except it's a hindrance, and should be

1854
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,680
looked at in our future planning as a

1855
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,880
non-use unless you actually have range

1856
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,280
and grazing.

1857
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,240
Then we could I'd be glad to zone it for

1858
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,400
that.

1859
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,280
So, I would like to be the first to say

1860
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,480
I'd love to approve this.

1861
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,200
I've I'd like to make a motion to

1862
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,000
approve it as written by staff

1863
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,800
as a permitted use in that property from

1864
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,080
here on unless you want to get it more

1865
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,720
dense at some point and do something

1866
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,920
else commercial on your land. I think

1867
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,200
it's a wonderful thing for what the

1868
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,840
Steen family has done over the years for

1869
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,400
this family of people in this community.

1870
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,400
And I look at your application in 24

1871
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,960
sign.

1872
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,920
And I'm still sitting here. This should

1873
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,440
never be before me. This should have

1874
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:14,560
been gone. Done. Approved.

1875
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,320
And that's how I feel about it. And this

1876
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,600
is how a lot of people feel. So, Randy,

1877
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,600
right now, let's just ask questions of

1878
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,760
the Steens. Okay. And we'll let them

1879
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:23,520
talk.

1880
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,120
We'll let them have a seat. We'll take

1881
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,360
public comment, and then if you want to

1882
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,000
make a motion or someone else wants to

1883
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,440
make a motion, we'll open the floor up

1884
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,160
for that. Thank you.

1885
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,000
Okay. My question is is relatively

1886
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,720
simple. Um

1887
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,560
have you did you consider resort special

1888
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,040
as a zone for this rather than resort

1889
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,680
commercial?

1890
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,680
We didn't beyond initial talking with

1891
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,240
the the people here in in the

1892
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,360
county government, and they

1893
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,360
were the ones who came up with the It

1894
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,080
was resort or commercial Yeah.

1895
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,760
We're trying to follow the future land

1896
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,600
use map because we got informed, "Hey,

1897
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,640
your your land should be zoned as this.

1898
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,400
All you need to do is apply." That's

1899
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,960
what we did. So, it it didn't occur to

1900
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,320
us that

1901
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,120
maybe we were zoning for something too

1902
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,720
high because it was in your document

1903
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,120
that that's what we should be zoned as.

1904
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,360
Mhm.

1905
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,120
Okay.

1906
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,800
I'll reserve my comments on that for

1907
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,040
later. Okay. Any other questions for the

1908
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,280
Steens, Mayor? Um why aren't you asking

1909
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,280
for annexation into the city? We've

1910
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,560
talked to the city. They don't want to

1911
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,240
annex to us.

1912
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,720
And also, we're not required to annex to

1913
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,040
the city.

1914
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,640
But you're in the annexation area is my

1915
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,120
question. Yeah, but that that was

1916
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,800
actually the number one Yeah, it should

1917
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,800
be number one.

1918
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,000
I I just wondered why. Yes. But we're

1919
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,200
not

1920
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,240
It's up to us if we want to annex. Oh, I

1921
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,880
agree. I agree.

1922
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,280
We're not using any city uh

1923
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,560
improvements. My guess is they consider

1924
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,720
the annexation area generally the city

1925
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,360
with fire that's the reason why that question is

1926
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,200
there. Could I take you to 2018? You

1927
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,720
spoke with the city. Yes, because

1928
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,160
but we don't have a letter that says we

1929
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,040
have And I didn't see anything in the

1930
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,320
letter. So, I just didn't. Yeah.

1931
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,400
That was going to be my question is,

1932
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,320
wouldn't you require a letter, Andrew,

1933
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,040
that says, you know, whether they

1934
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,320
want to absorb them or not from the city

1935
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,480
as a part of the application?

1936
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:27,350
Um

1937
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,080
That would be just a protection Yeah.

1938
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,200
by by the city council.

1939
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,200
Um

1940
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,480
So, the response back was that we

1941
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,320
believe that annexation to the city of

1942
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,760
Moab was not appropriate for this

1943
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,040
property.

1944
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,880
Um while the parcel is within Moab's

1945
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,800
city of Moab's annexation plan,

1946
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,480
annexation is neither required by

1947
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:50,880
ordinance or currently desired by the

1948
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,880
property owners. Annexation by the city

1949
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,040
of Moab results in higher tax property

1950
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,520
taxes that the current reflective needs

1951
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,760
cannot easily support. Furthermore, the

1952
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,520
city of Moab has told us that they're

1953
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,320
not interested in annexation. So,

1954
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,920
assuming you've you've had discussions

1955
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,360
with them, Randy, or at least assuming

1956
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,000
in past reviews submitted, our current

1957
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,680
requested use on the property to be

1958
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,440
commercial consistent with Grand

1959
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,600
County's jurisdiction in the existing

1960
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,800
review process.

1961
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,120
So, you have uh those discussions with

1962
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,520
the city. Thanks for the reason why I

1963
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:26,960
just wondered if you get a letter. It

1964
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,280
would just make it nicer. But especially

1965
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,160
if you're

1966
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:31,280
where you're going to cancel cuz it's in

1967
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,240
the old council. That's the public

1968
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,440
hearing city.

1969
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,160
All right. Any other questions for the

1970
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,960
Steens?

1971
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,560
I just had one comment, too. I use I've

1972
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,520
used Hell's Revenge

1973
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,840
and the Slickrock bike trail more times

1974
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,880
than I can count, honest to God.

1975
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,640
Probably I've been out there 100 times,

1976
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,240
probably. And I love it. And so, I got

1977
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,880
to thank you both for what you've done.

1978
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,480
I really appreciate it. Well, you should

1979
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:58,200
thank my dead father.

1980
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:59,680
He bought the property, and then he

1981
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,000
granted the original easements, and we

1982
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,600
straightened things out because

1983
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,760
uh his original easement was just a line

1984
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,560
on a map. And it was sort of there, and

1985
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,080
then when we finally found out where it

1986
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,840
actually was, which we had to find out

1987
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,560
so that the zipline could be

1988
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,080
constructed, it turned out that the

1989
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,000
uh

1990
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,040
bike trail was not on the easement. It

1991
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,320
was hundreds of feet away and had been

1992
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,480
established, so we adjusted that, and

1993
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,960
it's now they have a a good easement up

1994
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,240
there, and it's

1995
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,360
of record. Nothing's going to Nothing

1996
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,160
that anybody's doing is going to disturb

1997
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,280
that easement. And I there's another

1998
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,480
thing I I'd point out, and that is

1999
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,960
that the employees

2000
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,440
at the zipline are very well paid, and

2001
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:48,800
they they get considerable amount in

2002
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,320
tips. And right now, there are about 18

2003
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,280
people who are working there.

2004
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,160
If this goes through, they might have 30

2005
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:56,719
uh

2006
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:59,760
really well-paid residents and employees

2007
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,760
here in in Moab. So, very positive

2008
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,080
economic impact. Yes.

2009
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,680
I don't know that they'll any of them be

2010
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,520
able to afford a home, but

2011
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,920
possibly possibly that will become true.

2012
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,680
But they they're all enthusiastic.

2013
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,800
They're all very young, fit people, and

2014
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,760
I'm always amazed how

2015
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,120
uh conscientious and interested in it

2016
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,680
they are.

2017
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,160
Mhm.

2018
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,000
I just want to thank you guys for coming

2019
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,440
back because I was here when you guys

2020
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:31,120
presented last time and I know that was

2021
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,240
a frustrating discussion to walk away

2022
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,360
from.

2023
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,040
Um

2024
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,320
and this again goes with this land use

2025
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,080
code update. And I I appreciate you guys

2026
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,520
being patient, but I also appreciate you

2027
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,120
being persistent in coming back because

2028
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,920
these are these are the things that we

2029
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,320
need to hash out and and figure out so

2030
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:50,840
we can keep moving forward for

2031
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,520
everyone's sake, for the employees'

2032
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,960
sake, for the business' sake, for

2033
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,280
tourism. It all

2034
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,520
plays an equal role here.

2035
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,200
Thank you. Thank you.

2036
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:03,840
All right, if no other questions for the

2037
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,200
Stevens, you folks can have a seat in

2038
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,360
the seating area there and we'll

2039
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,760
begin our deliberations.

2040
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,000
So, Andrew's already read through the

2041
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,080
um

2042
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,360
administrative summary and we'll at this

2043
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,560
point

2044
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,480
entertain

2045
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:24,680
a motion and Randy, I think you already

2046
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,480
had your hand up for that. I did. I'd

2047
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,120
like to make the motion as read on

2048
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,280
record by Andrew for the approval of the

2049
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,520
zoning tonight.

2050
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,960
And that's recommending it to Recommend

2051
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,600
it to the county commission. Yeah, I

2052
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,040
don't get to get to this. I'll let the

2053
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,240
county

2054
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,400
All right, do we have a second?

2055
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,920
I will second. Megan seconds it. Okay,

2056
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,400
we'll move on to discussion.

2057
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,280
>> You should

2058
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,240
I think maybe people that want to be

2059
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,800
heard Yeah,

2060
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,640
they have to be here to be heard. And we

2061
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,920
have nobody online. We've been watching

2062
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,720
for that. Do we have anybody else in the

2063
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,000
room who wants to speak public comments

2064
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,550
about the zoning request?

2065
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:11,710
Seeing none, we'll go on to discussion.

2066
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,160
Well,

2067
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:14,960
we have we have two people. I'll start

2068
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,320
with Trace. You were quick with your

2069
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:16,720
hand.

2070
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,040
>> Yeah, that's okay. And they're more

2071
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,680
questions for Andrew. So, Andrew, um you

2072
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,760
know, most of the information as far as

2073
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,600
their application is from 2024.

2074
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,200
So,

2075
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,360
I'm just wondering and my understanding

2076
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,600
is

2077
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:33,560
um

2078
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:34,680
you know,

2079
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,520
that really the application should be

2080
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,080
updated because the verbage is a

2081
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,600
reasonable amount of time and I think

2082
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,120
you know, where

2083
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,400
this would not be considered a

2084
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:46,760
reasonable amount of time. I mean, my

2085
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,360
understanding is things like, you know,

2086
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,280
the title report has to be within 3

2087
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,200
months of the application. The well

2088
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,440
service old. My understanding with the

2089
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,600
letter from the city is that is state

2090
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,160
law and I could be wrong about that. So,

2091
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:04,320
I do think the application is is expired

2092
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,160
and or needs to be updated and is

2093
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,520
incomplete in a couple areas. So, I

2094
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,680
guess I would like just your

2095
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:10,400
information.

2096
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,240
>> Yeah, yeah. So, this came April 14th of

2097
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,160
2025

2098
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,360
to the planning commission.

2099
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:17,720
And so

2100
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:18,920
>> I know that.

2101
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,320
It did contain that information from

2102
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,240
um

2103
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,200
previous book. This

2104
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,920
is acting on that that was April 14th of

2105
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,280
2025 and the applicant um sent a letter

2106
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,000
responding to those in July 22nd of

2107
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,920
2025.

2108
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,800
Um and again, they've been very patient

2109
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,000
as we've been

2110
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,480
honing through a whole bunch of

2111
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,840
applications and

2112
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,600
other things that are due, but

2113
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,470
um

2114
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:53,680
Sorry, let me adjust to the

2115
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,600
title report. Okay, so we did get from

2116
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,120
the TRT. So, this went out to the TRT

2117
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,120
uh probably about a month ago.

2118
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,920
Um there were some back taxes that were

2119
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,400
due that they paid.

2120
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,150
Um

2121
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,840
I'm trying to think if there are any

2122
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,320
other significant TRT recommendations.

2123
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,720
Uh I don't believe so other than the

2124
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,320
similar back taxes being paid to the

2125
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:21,680
county.

2126
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,160
Yes, I think you bring up some good

2127
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,080
points and if there are some other legal

2128
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,280
requirements, I would suggest that the

2129
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,880
applicants get those taken care of

2130
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,430
before it goes to county commission.

2131
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,920
I have a question. What does it matter

2132
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,760
that this application started in July our new

2133
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,120
application started July 2025

2134
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,040
and it's delayed not on our part. So,

2135
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,080
now we have to go back and do all of

2136
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,440
that paperwork again because we've been

2137
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:52,600
on delay. Um yeah, so no, I don't think

2138
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,920
so cuz you answered those questions.

2139
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,200
Um but we may want to do

2140
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,200
here our letter just that agency should

2141
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,360
lawyers.

2142
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,640
And state and county code also requires

2143
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,600
an updated um

2144
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,440
title report within 3 months of the

2145
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,120
Okay. Yeah, so that'll be fine. So, in

2146
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,320
that case, once uh it would

2147
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,080
go ahead and get those updated before

2148
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,080
the county commission. So, it would be

2149
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,840
the title report and a letter from the

2150
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,230
uh city of Moab letter.

2151
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,200
All right.

2152
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,840
Just to be fair to the applicant, those

2153
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,520
are the only two documents they would

2154
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,600
need to provide to have a complete and

2155
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,600
updated application to present to the

2156
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,990
county commission?

2157
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,600
That's my opinion.

2158
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,520
Um

2159
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,760
Andrew, could you work with the

2160
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,000
applicant offline to address anything

2161
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:48,680
else on that?

2162
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:49,680
>> And we'll just make sure that's all

2163
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,000
taken care of prior to going to the

2164
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,560
county commission. I think just a point

2165
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,320
of clarification administrative

2166
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,080
issues.

2167
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,920
And Utah letter of non-interest

2168
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:02,440
is not a state mandate

2169
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:05,080
unless set by local requirement. So,

2170
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:10,840
unless the county has a code that says that we require a

2171
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,040
letter of non-interest, it is not a

2172
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,200
requirement. And so, Andrew, could you

2173
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,000
work with the legal and help the

2174
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,720
applicant before this comes to You can

2175
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:20,560
do that.

2176
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,320
All right, we're going to go around the

2177
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,800
room and Sarah, since you're uh

2178
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,640
in uh virtually today,

2179
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,080
um we're going to go around the room,

2180
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,760
but whenever you raise your hand, we'll

2181
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,000
let you interject, okay? So, we'll start

2182
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,960
with Elbie and we'll just make our way

2183
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,480
around. Elbie?

2184
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:41,600
But I I I like this application kind of

2185
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,400
the way it's written and what going to

2186
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,080
be done. Here's my major concern. It's

2187
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:48,640
the reason I kind of asked the question

2188
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,880
about uh whether you had considered

2189
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,920
resort special versus

2190
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,120
uh resort commercial. Number one, if we take and and you got we have to be

2191
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,200
careful with with the future land use

2192
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:03,480
map

2193
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,600
uh as written and we say, well, it's got

2194
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,840
to be tourist or some recreational

2195
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,360
thing, it says one of two things,

2196
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,040
recreational commercial or recreational

2197
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,080
resort special. Here's my concern.

2198
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:18,160
Um

2199
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,320
we zone the property.

2200
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,720
That just means you sell it, has the same zone uh that uh

2201
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,400
we we end up we end up giving the county

2202
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,080
commission ends up giving it. Resort

2203
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,040
commercial says

2204
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:39,280
five units per acre if I'm not mistaken.

2205
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,640
Uh I believe that is right under and you

2206
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,080
can look in the

2207
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,120
land use section.

2208
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:50,760
And uh and resort special is point two

2209
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,280
uh per acre, meaning that you could have

2210
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,120
one unit per five acre like you could

2211
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,360
with range and grazing.

2212
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,520
So, my concern is if we really

2213
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:06,160
zone this at five units per acre,

2214
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,640
then

2215
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,520
we are in the we're faced with this

2216
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:13,160
thing is, well, you could have um

2217
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,400
a lion's back, a kind of resort. Not not

2218
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,280
you, but somebody might find a place to

2219
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,640
put it there and get water to it and

2220
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,800
it's very valuable property because

2221
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,040
scenic. So, that's going to be actually

2222
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,080
my my greatest concern. I would feel

2223
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,960
much better. And of course, I'm

2224
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,520
not the land use expert, but I think you

2225
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,440
could do almost everything you've

2226
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:38,920
claimed, you know, said you wanted to do

2227
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,080
uh with the resort special uh thing. I'm

2228
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,240
going to go now just look at my notes to

2229
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:45,440
see

2230
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,320
if there is anything else

2231
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,550
um

2232
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,760
and I think

2233
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,840
really that is

2234
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,880
my major concern. Other people may have

2235
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,400
concerns with roads and stuff. I don't

2236
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,440
know about that stuff about what roads

2237
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,680
need to to serve it, but I

2238
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,160
if I had that if if other things were in

2239
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,680
order and it was resort special, so I

2240
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,960
didn't have to worry about large

2241
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,440
developments that uh we can't control

2242
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:22,120
that would that would make me happier.

2243
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:23,880
Okay, thanks, Elbie.

2244
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,040
Randy, we'll go to you next. I'll go

2245
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,920
ahead and pass.

2246
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,600
Randy? I'm this way. Okay, thank you.

2247
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,560
Um is that the only difference is the

2248
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,160
actual units per acre? Well, there are

2249
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,760
other differences in that and it's so

2250
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,400
I don't know because when I read

2251
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,560
through, I thought probably everything

2252
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,480
would be okay in their proposal, but you

2253
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:47,840
got to be careful, Randy, cuz I can't

2254
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,760
I'm not I'm not the real expert there,

2255
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,640
but uh I thought it looked pretty good.

2256
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,280
It's I'm a little bit not sure about

2257
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,880
there there was something about, well,

2258
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,440
you might want to have a place where

2259
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:02,120
corporations could have retreats. I'm

2260
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,520
not quite sure what that would uh look

2261
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,680
like involved in terms of

2262
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,520
buildings of though and Mary knows this

2263
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,520
stuff where you have to you do a PUD on

2264
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,520
this uh you know, so that you could have

2265
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,160
some a big and building than I you might

2266
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,000
usually have. That just basically said,

2267
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,200
"Well, we're going to leave these acres

2268
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:22,920
free and we're going to do some

2269
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,360
concentration here."

2270
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,132
Mary, correct me if I'm wrong.

2271
01:29:27,132 --> 01:29:27,800
>> [laughter]

2272
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,840
>> All All other outdoor recreation use is

2273
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,160
um either a permitted or conditional use

2274
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:35,480
depending uh

2275
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:36,560
um

2276
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,360
the park's special.

2277
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,040
Table 3.1 Again, conditional use comes

2278
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,680
up. Let me finish what I was talking

2279
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:47,320
about. Thank you for clarifying what your understanding is of.

2280
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,160
My understanding is too that that's what

2281
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,960
our county told them to apply for.

2282
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,120
Ergo, that's what I want to say, "Yeah,

2283
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,480
go for it."

2284
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,160
I know that rock and it take a lot of

2285
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:02,960
blasting. It take a lot of work to build a subdivision up

2286
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,000
there, five units per acre.

2287
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,760
And I'm all for it if you want to do it.

2288
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,240
But it's a rough rock, but and you can

2289
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:10,640
drill them out of the sandstone in

2290
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,160
between the cables that you're going up

2291
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,040
there. I don't know.

2292
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,800
I'm too scared to drive right across

2293
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,520
that line, so I don't do that stuff.

2294
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,200
I need you for flying and not jumping

2295
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,800
out.

2296
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,360
In that setting, again, it's it's their

2297
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,000
risk that they take. If they get this

2298
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,040
zone and up where they are, they're out

2299
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,000
of the way, you're not going to see it.

2300
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,800
The shelves up there are huge. You could

2301
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,760
build a lot of stuff and never see it.

2302
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,240
And to get to the big G, I promise.

2303
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,920
Uh back in the day, now it's a little

2304
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,480
heck of a trail these days, but back

2305
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:43,720
then it was a little it was tough.

2306
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,760
And I And it's changing. And And I think

2307
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,160
that rather than hold these folks up

2308
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:50,760
because of our inability to really

2309
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,880
understand what code that our staff

2310
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,160
invited them to do, I think we move

2311
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,520
forward where they are in good faith.

2312
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,080
They have good faith. They've waited.

2313
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,800
They've been patient. And I think it's

2314
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,920
time for the county to start recognizing

2315
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,880
that's what we do. We act on things. We

2316
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,760
get things done for them and we move

2317
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,200
forward. We tell them yes or we tell

2318
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,760
them no. The conditional use is not an

2319
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,560
option. It's either in or it's out in my

2320
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:15,680
opinion.

2321
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:16,640
And

2322
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,280
I really like this plan. I think it's

2323
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,200
great. It's a long time coming. I think

2324
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,360
it's smart. It helps what we already

2325
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,720
started in the early '90s. This is part

2326
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,080
of what we are digging. This is our ore.

2327
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,160
And we call it tourism. And it's a great

2328
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,040
thing and they do a really nice job.

2329
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,720
I've been there a couple times. Haven't

2330
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,240
rode the cable. I'm going to do that.

2331
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,400
I'm I'm close. Now I'm good. But it's really good for our town. They run

2332
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,800
a class act. I know a couple of the guys

2333
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,120
that work there and the people that And they're happy.

2334
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:47,440
And that's a good thing. And no, they

2335
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:48,960
probably don't make enough to afford a

2336
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,480
house on that income. And so, we got to

2337
01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:53,560
go to work and make sure we understand

2338
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,680
all our zones so that we can make that a

2339
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,440
possibility. Open those doors.

2340
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:00,320
Thank you for your time and I'd like to

2341
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,400
make that motion that we do that. Good.

2342
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:04,760
And you already made a motion. We

2343
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,430
already Well, I'll re-second myself.

2344
01:32:08,440 --> 01:32:10,200
We're in the discussion now.

2345
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,400
All right, we're going around the room

2346
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,760
here. Who is next? Yeah, I remember this

2347
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,040
came up before and it was such a big

2348
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,680
piece of property to like say

2349
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,360
something's commercial. I mean, you're

2350
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,160
like, "Oh, this could like change the

2351
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,840
whole development of the the valley."

2352
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080
That being said, I you know, I I've

2353
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,520
gone up there a few times and I was I've

2354
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,760
thought about this and you know, they're

2355
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,640
offering unique tourism

2356
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,640
rather than kind of like And it's a

2357
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,800
property that's surrounded by

2358
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,160
commercial.

2359
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,080
And it doesn't have any other

2360
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:48,880
uh like residential zones. So, you know,

2361
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,800
one of our criteria is like looking at

2362
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,520
the surrounding zoning.

2363
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:53,840
And

2364
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,640
uh I I just And I know we're not

2365
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,720
supposed to base anything off plans and

2366
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,000
whatnot and what what the full use could

2367
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,320
be used for, but I I've just really kind

2368
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,480
of been like, you know, we offer unique

2369
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:11,040
things and like by not allowing

2370
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,400
that, it's kind of like, ooh,

2371
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,280
we we've uh

2372
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,360
I think we could offer unique

2373
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,360
experiences in Moab and it's like a

2374
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,040
unique piece of property that could

2375
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,400
really facilitate that. I've changed my

2376
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,280
mind about that, you know, and it's like

2377
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,160
it's in a WPSO, right?

2378
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,720
On that watershed protection area.

2379
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,280
And so, like that in itself will um make

2380
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,920
sure like that is a major obstacle for

2381
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,120
development on it and and uh

2382
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:43,280
so

2383
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,200
you know, like

2384
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,480
Anyways, I've I've really been in

2385
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:49,800
support of this because of that.

2386
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:50,720
Thank

2387
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,800
Thanks, Eric. All right. Um

2388
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,400
I also think this sounds like a good

2389
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,000
idea. Um and I haven't seen the

2390
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,440
perspective map.

2391
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,560
I know what church they gave to me. They

2392
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:02,880
gave to us.

2393
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,600
And my kids go to their school.

2394
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,520
Um

2395
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,800
But I have a problem with the process.

2396
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:09,960
This

2397
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,280
RC zone

2398
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,520
was written specifically and it's in our

2399
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,000
land use code that is law

2400
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,560
that says that the resort commercial

2401
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,240
district was intended to promote site

2402
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,600
design concepts in the gateway plan. The

2403
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,840
gateway plan for the county was from the

2404
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,760
river north.

2405
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,960
The city has the same zone

2406
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,600
from the river

2407
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,160
south. So, the zone that they want is

2408
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:39,560
the is the zone they could get in the

2409
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,840
city.

2410
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,360
Um also,

2411
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,440
I have such a hard time with the fact

2412
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:52,160
that we are using our general plan

2413
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:53,480
as

2414
01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:54,920
code

2415
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,080
when it is only a guideline.

2416
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:59,960
Um

2417
01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:02,320
And if I'm going to use it as code,

2418
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,880
I'm going to use it as a guideline code.

2419
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,840
And page 27 of

2420
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,080
the map that shows that

2421
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,640
specifically says, cuz that's also it

2422
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,080
shows the green area

2423
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,520
that is located in the northwest

2424
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,760
northeast of Moab

2425
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,440
and it is in an area called the do not

2426
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:25,640
harm, which means these areas should

2427
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,040
generally maintain the densities that

2428
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:30,640
exist at the present.

2429
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,560
And that's um

2430
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,640
in

2431
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,120
the code we adopted. Here's the code we

2432
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,840
adopted.

2433
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,800
And also,

2434
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,160
it says

2435
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,400
our guideline for the future land use

2436
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,520
map for Spanish Valley that shows this

2437
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,240
area in brown.

2438
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:47,840
And that is a resort and tourist

2439
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,880
recreation. It's not a zone. It's a it

2440
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,320
is a place type focusing on the look and

2441
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,960
feel of places for us to decide on.

2442
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,880
There is no code in the land use code

2443
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,320
that says we can use it. There is no

2444
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,840
code. And I know we go to the next page

2445
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,280
where it says

2446
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,280
um

2447
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:09,960
the section where

2448
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,320
that's where we use that, but it's still

2449
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,840
just a guideline. It's saying

2450
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,400
that our um

2451
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,400
our G should stay RG.

2452
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:20,640
It doesn't say we should change it. It

2453
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,880
says right here in that little

2454
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:23,320
place type.

2455
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,160
>> RG doesn't make any sense. Well, we're

2456
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,120
not talking about that, Randy. Well, we

2457
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:34,200
are talking about that, Mary. Um G the resort commercial

2458
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,240
goes to resort tourist recreation. We

2459
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,120
don't have that title. We don't have a

2460
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,440
title of resort and tourist recreation.

2461
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:43,400
So, we're not even allowing them to

2462
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,600
put this in a zone that we have.

2463
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,120
>> Well, see three cents. And

2464
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:53,470
>> That's my turn for the Um

2465
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:55,320
And then, of course, on the annexation

2466
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,680
area, there was one other section that

2467
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,240
If you go to also say little book that

2468
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,840
you're reading that we call using as a

2469
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,480
land use code and it is not.

2470
01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:08,440
Well, the resort and tourist recreation

2471
01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:11,280
is sports arenas, venues, concerts,

2472
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,360
shows, resorts, RV parks, outdoor

2473
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,840
outfitters, and recreational service

2474
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,560
facilities. Secondary uses are those

2475
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,720
that support the primary uses and do not

2476
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,120
distract from the quality of the place

2477
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,520
of services, including RVs. And the

2478
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,110
density is varies.

2479
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,760
So, if we're using this as a land use

2480
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,840
code,

2481
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,240
it's not. There's no This is not adopted

2482
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:35,760
land use code.

2483
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,480
>> is this what, Mary? Yeah, it's something

2484
01:37:37,480 --> 01:37:40,080
adopted. Then what is using it if

2485
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:41,720
It's a general plan. I'm not using the

2486
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,080
land use code. The land use It's a

2487
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:45,960
general plan association. If we're using

2488
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,680
that as the code, we're not using it as

2489
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,560
a code. It is a general plan and

2490
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,240
you can argue that they have zoning, you

2491
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:54,760
have to have a general plan in place.

2492
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,080
This is still in place.

2493
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,719
>> But this doesn't This doesn't fit.

2494
01:37:58,719 --> 01:37:59,400
It

2495
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:00,680
fits to me.

2496
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,360
I'm saying it doesn't. I don't agree.

2497
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:03,920
And I'm saying I'm saying it doesn't.

2498
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,880
And it specifically says that the RC RG

2499
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,040
whatever that zone district they're

2500
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:13,200
asking for is within that um RC RC zone

2501
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,080
district is for

2502
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:16,960
the gateway plan. This isn't part of the

2503
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,640
gateway plan. The gateway plan in the

2504
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,560
city is a gateway plan. And they have

2505
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,040
when I looked up in the city, it's still

2506
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,040
there. I looked at the city's

2507
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,280
um general plan, it's all the same.

2508
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,600
And there also [clears throat] is no

2509
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,760
um

2510
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,040
public facilities which have been

2511
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,320
brought up. There's no water and sewer.

2512
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:36,840
up there. I

2513
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,160
mean, yes, you can build that way.

2514
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,240
But to put a commercial zone

2515
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,800
on Class D roads is also problematic

2516
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,560
because you can't you know, it's Class D

2517
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:50,960
road, we're asking for it to be

2518
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,640
commercial area.

2519
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,480
I'm really concerned about both things.

2520
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:55,440
And I'm

2521
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:57,719
After that little spiel, I will also say

2522
01:38:57,719 --> 01:38:59,608
when we change the code

2523
01:38:59,608 --> 01:39:00,360
>> [laughter]

2524
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,440
>> something to make it work.

2525
01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:03,120
And I know that

2526
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,080
>> No, we can't because that is in the

2527
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:06,960
code. Fine. And it will actually keep

2528
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,200
working. And it would work for what they

2529
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,960
want to do. What a beautiful plan you

2530
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,000
have. It is a beautiful plan. But we

2531
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:17,280
need, laws That was that older.

2532
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,960
I feel as over.

2533
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,040
Thank you, Mary.

2534
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,880
We have a couple people that we haven't

2535
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,800
had a chance or given a chance yet,

2536
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,200
Sarah and Megan. Do you want It's your

2537
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,240
turn. Okay.

2538
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,000
So, again, it's I got to say I

2539
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,120
appreciate what this family has done

2540
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,560
over all of the years. That is a

2541
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,440
incredible

2542
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,000
It's an incredible thing what they have

2543
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,160
given this community.

2544
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,440
And I think the plans that they gave us

2545
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:46,480
are

2546
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:49,200
basically what we asked them to do.

2547
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:50,320
Um

2548
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:53,000
Mary, I understand that uh you know,

2549
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,440
your points about

2550
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,600
how poorly the RC matches

2551
01:39:58,600 --> 01:39:59,640
with

2552
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,960
the land use code, and I agree with you. It's poor.

2553
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,720
I do also

2554
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,640
you know, I also

2555
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,080
My other point is that they have done

2556
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,480
what we've asked them to do.

2557
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:15,240
They've sat on it a long time, and you

2558
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,360
know, I'm in favor of moving ahead with

2559
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:18,280
it.

2560
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:19,560
So.

2561
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,160
We have two more now. Megan Megan. I I

2562
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,360
agree, and I I totally get Mary's

2563
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:26,840
frustration with the land use code

2564
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:27,960
because

2565
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,600
I want to follow these processes

2566
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,440
correctly, and our land use code doesn't

2567
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:33,800
allow us to, but I think that this is a

2568
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,240
perfect example of what happens when we

2569
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,120
keep waiting for the land use code to be

2570
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,680
updated because they've come back,

2571
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,160
they've done that we've asked them to.

2572
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,760
Andrew, I don't even want to know how

2573
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:46,560
many applications are still sitting in

2574
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,480
planning and zoning because we haven't

2575
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:50,920
been able to move forward, and it

2576
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,280
and that also makes me question the more

2577
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,640
applications that come to this table,

2578
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,800
how outdated they're going to be because

2579
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,680
we've been backed up with admin issues,

2580
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,440
or not having a planning and zoning

2581
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:05,080
admin, or all of these other things that

2582
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,000
come up. These guys have been very

2583
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,480
patient with us, and when they were at

2584
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:11,360
the table 8 months ago, we went through

2585
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,240
everything that we needed from them. I

2586
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,120
voted it down because I was concerned

2587
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,040
about the city annexing, and I think

2588
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:19,560
that's a valid concern, but they

2589
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,120
addressed that in line number one.

2590
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:23,680
They've done everything we've asked them

2591
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,000
to, and if resort commercial was what

2592
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,680
the county had asked them to change

2593
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,240
their zoning to, and they followed

2594
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,840
through and complied with it,

2595
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:33,960
I don't think that's for us to tell them

2596
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,080
that that's not the proper zone now when

2597
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,320
they've gone through all of the

2598
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,040
channels, and we've gone back and forth

2599
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,440
for over a year now.

2600
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:44,480
And this is a very reputable business in

2601
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,760
town. It is a very unique business in

2602
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,920
town, like Aaron said. If this is

2603
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,680
something that helps better that

2604
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,560
business and better that experience, we

2605
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,480
shouldn't be the ones holding them back

2606
01:41:55,480 --> 01:41:57,400
when they clearly are making the efforts

2607
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,520
to comply and do what we're asking them

2608
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,440
to do for something that really isn't

2609
01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:03,880
going to have an impact on anything

2610
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,440
other than providing a better service

2611
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:09,470
overall.

2612
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:11,680
Sir.

2613
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:16,520
Okay. Um I see everything that Mary was saying

2614
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,280
from the the do no harm zone on one page

2615
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,440
27, and then on 35,

2616
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:26,160
the map of the place types.

2617
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,280
My feeling is if the Grand County

2618
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:31,160
Commission, first of all, has passed

2619
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,160
this land use chapter,

2620
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,320
I mean, it is our job to recommend if

2621
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,960
something falls into the vision that

2622
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,640
they for the county. If it does, I think

2623
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,040
we recommend it. If it doesn't, I think

2624
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,880
we don't recommend it.

2625
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,080
Um

2626
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,160
and then the other thing I think about

2627
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:54,720
this after reading through the whole

2628
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,240
packet is um

2629
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,280
so many times I've watched developers

2630
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,160
come to the County Commission and say,

2631
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,480
"Hey, I want to build this high-density

2632
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:07,280
project." And the county says, "Okay,

2633
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,640
what will you give us? We want a deed We

2634
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,080
want deed restrictions on the

2635
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,520
properties. We want workforce housing.

2636
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,400
We want things like that."

2637
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,480
And I feel like this is an applicant

2638
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:20,960
that is coming to us and saying,

2639
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,880
"Hey, let us tell you what we've already

2640
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,120
done for the county."

2641
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:29,040
So, I I to me, I just I think this

2642
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,240
county has a little bit of a history of

2643
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,600
trying to deal with developers and say,

2644
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,520
"What's in it for us?"

2645
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,160
And I feel like this applicant has

2646
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,600
already shown, "Hey,

2647
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,240
this is what's already been in it for

2648
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,560
you for the last 50 years."

2649
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,840
So, that's just it. That's I guess

2650
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:48,960
that's kind of a side thought, but you

2651
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,760
know, just my guiding principle is we

2652
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,880
just need to get out of people's way.

2653
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,040
And if the County Commission thinks this

2654
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:01,120
is the direction our county should go,

2655
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:08,230
then I think we approve that.

2656
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:09,800
Well, I I will do

2657
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,760
I I I will simply

2658
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,760
come back to what I said originally. I

2659
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,520
do worry

2660
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,560
about making

2661
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,200
this this land use code change that

2662
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:26,120
allows 25 times the rate the density

2663
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,440
that you currently have on the property

2664
01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:31,080
in range and grazing. And if there

2665
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,760
really is, you know, you know, I I never

2666
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,600
think there's no danger that somebody

2667
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,120
else will get the land, you know,

2668
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,800
couple people die, heaven forbid, and

2669
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,120
somebody else gets the land.

2670
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,280
And Randy, I'd say, "Yeah, if you could

2671
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:48,640
blow down some of that Navajo sandstone

2672
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,160
and put up 50 houses, nobody's going to

2673
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,000
do it." That may be the case, but if

2674
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,680
somebody as you say, they want to do it,

2675
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,720
they can go ahead and do it. I would

2676
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,840
love to see this

2677
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,880
as resort special. I think they could do

2678
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,560
what they want to have on it, and it

2679
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,360
would protect that land. I think there's

2680
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,360
a there's a vision for that land that

2681
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,400
sand flax sand flax is important. The

2682
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,760
sandstone is important. You really

2683
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,080
wouldn't want any kind of big

2684
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,000
development where somebody might find

2685
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:22,320
out where to put it. So, I will

2686
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,200
vote against this proposal. I think it

2687
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,372
would be easy to change. You could

2688
01:45:27,372 --> 01:45:27,560
>> [clears throat]

2689
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,000
>> Basically, if you could do the same

2690
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,120
things under this, you could come back

2691
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:34,440
and say, "Well, I'm resort special."

2692
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:36,400
I don't think it would be that much

2693
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,760
problem, but that's just where I sit.

2694
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,240
Well,

2695
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:42,560
we have resort special would be a

2696
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,720
problem. So, looking under resort

2697
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,000
special right here, it says it's

2698
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,360
codified under section 4.8. As you look

2699
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,400
under section 4.8, and you look at the

2700
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,880
applic- applicability

2701
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,440
right there, it says a real property

2702
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:57,080
leased to a private person is done in

2703
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,400
10.2. Privately owned included in the

2704
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:03,200
following 7-mile area map. So, resort

2705
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,600
special was actually specifically for

2706
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,360
the Arches National Park U shed. So, not

2707
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:09,800
only would you have to do that, but you

2708
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,960
would also have to change

2709
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,840
this right here. Look at that.

2710
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,440
I I That wasn't my reading of it when I

2711
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:20,640
read earlier, but as Mary said, "Oh,

2712
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,320
resort commercial is for the gateway."

2713
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:26,160
This is not part of the gateway.

2714
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,840
So, I I mean, if we're going to hold up

2715
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,320
this on a technicality,

2716
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:31,960
uh

2717
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,160
I don't think that's the way I read it.

2718
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,840
I think it says refer to that section,

2719
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,040
uh but

2720
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,480
anyway. So, we do have a motion on the floor. We do.

2721
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,000
If there are legal issues, it's going to

2722
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,200
go through legal review, and in that

2723
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,680
case, if there are, they'll come back.

2724
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,280
Okay.

2725
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:52,240
All right.

2726
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:55,560
Any other questions or comments?

2727
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:56,760
All right.

2728
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,160
Then seeing none, we'll go to a vote.

2729
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,200
All of those in favor of the motion that

2730
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,910
Randy made.

2731
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,000
And there are 1 2 3 4 5. All of those

2732
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,880
opposed.

2733
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,520
1 2.

2734
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,240
Motion passes. And my opposition is

2735
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,720
specifically to the fact that we do not

2736
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,640
The guideline even in the land use code

2737
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,320
room I mean, the general planning and

2738
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,720
zoning says we cannot do this.

2739
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,520
And Cuz I think you made a really good

2740
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:26,920
point. Good.

2741
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,000
And I And I would say my opposition is

2742
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,440
simply that that density

2743
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:33,760
>> density. The potential density over such

2744
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,560
a vast sort of area near

2745
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,800
So, I think that the next step could be

2746
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:41,320
the team family is going to be getting

2747
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:42,880
together with Andrew and

2748
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,640
prepare for the County Commission. And

2749
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,480
Andrew, if you could have legal review

2750
01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:51,800
to ensure that this actually is something the commission could

2751
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,400
approve.

2752
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,719
Thank you. Sounds good.

2753
01:47:55,719 --> 01:47:57,040
Okay.

2754
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:04,390
Um we'll go back to the meeting agenda.

2755
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:11,470
Well, if I can find where we're at here.

2756
01:48:11,480 --> 01:48:13,800
We were in

2757
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,520
with the legal organization. Yep. So,

2758
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:17,600
then

2759
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,320
um

2760
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:20,960
we have

2761
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,000
the We went to discussion item number

2762
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,680
three, which was discussion on

2763
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:26,200
multi-family residential and

2764
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,200
high-density housing,

2765
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,840
and we worked on that before the 6:00

2766
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,320
o'clock break.

2767
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,960
And Andrew, um I think you've done a

2768
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,840
nice job with summarizing some of the

2769
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,160
issues around MFR.

2770
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,000
Um do you have more that you want to

2771
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,719
bring up for discussion on this issue

2772
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:45,240
tonight? Um no. Basically, just the

2773
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:46,760
email of the high-density housing

2774
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,920
overlay, so we've got that as well.

2775
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:50,960
We've got some properties. You You have

2776
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:52,719
eligible properties, and then you have

2777
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:55,240
applied. So, if you go to the

2778
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:58,240
um county's zoning map, you're going to

2779
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:02,000
click on the layers, and you'll have

2780
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,680
eligible properties, and then you have

2781
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,280
another layer that they applied. So,

2782
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,160
well, there may be a whole universe of

2783
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:13,120
properties that are eligible, only a few

2784
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:14,520
have actually

2785
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,960
it's actually been applied to.

2786
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,040
Um and so

2787
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,760
I think that's

2788
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,720
and I kind of I gave those maps out

2789
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,400
before and we got these, etc. And it's

2790
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,000
kind of I think we all need to know what

2791
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,480
we're looking at to talk about it.

2792
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:36,720
I have a question which is do you know

2793
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:37,920
when are they going to

2794
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,160
the housing authority going to have

2795
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,080
something ready for us about how much

2796
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:43,760
housing they think they need this

2797
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,960
affordable housing of Do Do you have any

2798
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:47,160
idea?

2799
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:50,080
They keep getting close, I hear, because

2800
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:55,430
Colorado Crossing made a big impact.

2801
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:56,760
It's interesting.

2802
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:58,400
Um

2803
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,760
Based on my business and real estate's

2804
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:02,560
what my business is in.

2805
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:06,840
Um our median price is still about 50.

2806
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:08,040
We still have affordable housing

2807
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,240
everywhere there is no place that's No

2808
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,120
place that's nobody and it is boiling

2809
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:16,320
down to

2810
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,080
whether or not local boards

2811
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,440
local towns, local counties

2812
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:23,360
are willing to bite the bullet

2813
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,200
take NIMBYism and put it where it

2814
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,480
belongs in the

2815
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:28,600
I don't know where there's some number

2816
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,560
of factors including There's a lot of

2817
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,200
factors involved and some of them I

2818
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,440
agree, there's a lot, but we We're not

2819
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:36,200
going to solve those here. We as

2820
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,680
counties We We as a planning commissions

2821
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:40,280
But Randy, I would make a difference

2822
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:42,840
here and that and Obi maybe the same.

2823
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:44,680
We've had the housing task force come in

2824
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,280
here before and make a presentation and

2825
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,080
if we would like to have an update on

2826
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,520
that, I'd say let's work with Andrew.

2827
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,200
That would work. Do you know the answer

2828
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:56,880
to I thought they were publishing that.

2829
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,240
I think it's on the housing task force.

2830
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,520
Is it Is it publicly been published?

2831
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,720
I'm personally I'm in favor of them

2832
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,120
coming in and doing a presentation. I

2833
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:07,160
think that's okay. I want to answer

2834
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:07,840
that.

2835
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,000
I have a couple of questions and I know

2836
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,920
all about that. I'd love to hear from

2837
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:12,840
them for sure.

2838
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:14,520
I'd love that. Go ahead and share it

2839
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,080
again. Thank you. So, yeah.

2840
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:18,720
I think I'd like to just take us and

2841
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,640
kind of back up a little bit to start

2842
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,160
with it. So, this is in response to

2843
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:25,800
yeah, the pipeline study. We did put

2844
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:28,520
that forward to the housing task task

2845
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,280
force and Grand County did provide

2846
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:32,600
funding for them to get that put

2847
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,080
together and we are working actually as

2848
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:36,800
the county as well to put together a

2849
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,160
dashboard which has so far been

2850
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,200
completed as far as the city data goes

2851
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:43,960
and we're now building up the county

2852
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:45,680
data as well. So, we are actually pretty

2853
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,200
close to that. Having looked at that

2854
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,440
our number one need is still Let's all

2855
01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:54,560
take a guess. High density.

2856
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,840
housing. Yes. Right? Low

2857
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,440
income housing is still our number one

2858
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,960
need in this county. Um and the goals

2859
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,960
that we set in the 2023

2860
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:11,960
housing plan are they were they were good plans.

2861
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:13,960
And so, if we're going to come come

2862
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,440
anywhere near meeting those needs, we

2863
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:18,960
are going to have to keep having the

2864
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,320
availability for projects to provide

2865
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,280
that low income housing.

2866
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,280
As we've looked into this and we started

2867
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,960
with the MFR 45 and have moved that, you

2868
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:30,280
know, from the commission to the

2869
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,360
planning commission and all around

2870
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,520
inside of there. Right? We've come up

2871
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,400
with a whole bunch of other things.

2872
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,640
Right? One is is that we have redone the

2873
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:40,840
HDHO.

2874
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,560
And that seems to have been successful.

2875
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,520
Watching the Del Sol project get pushed

2876
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:47,840
out last

2877
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,560
Is that last week? I believe that was

2878
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:51,960
last week. And to see the number of

2879
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,720
people that are being able to take care

2880
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:55,960
of that, talking with the folks over

2881
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,080
there at Murphy Flats and how quickly

2882
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,600
those units have come off of the market

2883
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,280
and seeing people actually come in and

2884
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:06,240
join these houses is incredible. Right?

2885
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,240
So, this could be an opportunity right

2886
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,280
here where we said have we fixed this so

2887
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,600
that we do maybe have a product, right,

2888
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:15,560
that we can put out? Um I don't know if

2889
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,280
you guys remembered last year that I

2890
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,080
came forward and brought up which I

2891
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:22,440
believe it was SB 38 which was the

2892
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:25,160
state's high density

2893
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:27,520
They didn't put through in the law.

2894
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,720
The response I got back from this board

2895
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,760
right here was why would we go with the

2896
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,400
state's program when we already have a

2897
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:36,880
program?

2898
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,200
My response back was, well, let's fix

2899
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,600
this thing and see how it goes. Right?

2900
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,560
So, if we do have something that seems

2901
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:47,320
like it works and looking at this HDHO,

2902
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,040
right, it might be able to solve a

2903
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:52,200
couple of our problems. Okay? If it was

2904
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:53,960
something that people could build on and

2905
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,640
it does have those restrictions in it I

2906
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,720
want to see if this would fit under if

2907
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,760
light tech programs would fit under

2908
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:03,280
LUTHER because if it did does, we

2909
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,120
already have the zones identified of

2910
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,440
where they belong and and when I looked

2911
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:09,280
at those zones and Andrew passed those

2912
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,640
out in that big map, right, they made

2913
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,040
sense to me. Right? They're in the zones

2914
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:17,960
of where the big pipe is. So, that's where I would imagine that you

2915
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:19,520
would want to put your high density

2916
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,960
housing. So, we already have high

2917
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,840
density identified, properties

2918
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,520
identified. Right? We have a program

2919
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:28,560
that seems like it's working.

2920
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,400
This seems like an easy way to go ahead

2921
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,040
and put this out without having to

2922
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:36,160
create a zone like MFR 45 which which

2923
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,720
was what we were looking for, right? And

2924
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:40,960
so, we're dropping from 45 now down to

2925
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,480
35. Strike four.

2926
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:44,840
But it's still we're we're we're looking

2927
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:46,480
at at something that might actually be

2928
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,840
attainable. But also what we're looking

2929
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,840
at as well is we're looking at projects

2930
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,040
that we might be able to get built that

2931
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,160
we might get to be able to put into the

2932
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,320
hands of people who live here. Right?

2933
01:54:57,320 --> 01:54:59,080
So, we might be looking at some of those

2934
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,200
starter homes as well

2935
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:03,360
um as we're going through it. Um if I

2936
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,120
was to make a recommendation on looking

2937
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:07,480
at the

2938
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,880
looking at how to implement this program

2939
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,600
would be to find out how many units

2940
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,960
would be available in the HDHO that we

2941
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,840
have set up and then space them in.

2942
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,320
Right? So, rather than saying and I'm

2943
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:22,640
just going to pick a number, let's say

2944
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,640
750 units that we say that we want to

2945
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,240
open up for HDHO building.

2946
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:30,360
What if we phase those in to three

2947
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,480
phases? So, phase one is 250 units

2948
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:36,520
closer to town. Right? Phase two is over

2949
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:39,600
here with another 250 units moving out

2950
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,760
and then phase three would be out here

2951
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,760
as another

2952
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,840
250 units. That way we're incentivizing

2953
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:50,040
that building to happen closer in town.

2954
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:51,400
These are rental units we're talking

2955
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,440
about.

2956
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,920
Uh HDHO and and that would be one thing

2957
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:56,480
that would be great would be to for this

2958
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:57,840
board to actually go if this is

2959
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,680
something that you're interested in to

2960
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:02,200
review those HDHO rules and how we

2961
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:04,800
revise it because they would be both.

2962
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,480
Right? They could be for sale or they

2963
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,760
could be for rent.

2964
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,400
Yeah.

2965
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,880
The The revision

2966
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,480
is that 30% of those that

2967
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,120
are like owner occupied that they could

2968
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:19,960
go as a

2969
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,160
rental units as long as they stay within

2970
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:23,160
that

2971
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,240
um

2972
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:25,840
income level.

2973
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,080
Right? Or other natural, yeah.

2974
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:29,800
My question actually was a little bit

2975
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:31,800
different. You answered Do you answered

2976
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:33,600
I think the question about why Andrew

2977
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:35,080
did this presentation? You did it

2978
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:37,080
beautifully. Yeah, my question was a

2979
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,200
little bit different. But that is I just

2980
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:40,480
wondered if we could

2981
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:41,640
when this

2982
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,720
housing task force finishes their report

2983
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,320
which I understand is pending and has

2984
01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,240
been for some time, but it's close. My

2985
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:52,240
question was could one of the two people

2986
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:55,400
that is very very much

2987
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:57,400
you know, I I I think both Brian and

2988
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,320
Aaron are working with that task force,

2989
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:00,600
right?

2990
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:02,760
Um Aaron works with the task force. I'm

2991
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:03,800
I've just started

2992
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,265
>> to the first Thursdays.

2993
01:57:06,265 --> 01:57:08,990
>> [laughter]

2994
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:11,040
» I was I was I was I was just invited

2995
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:13,960
into the task force the last

2996
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,240
Oh, this last Was it last two three

2997
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,120
weeks ago and I can't remember exactly

2998
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,400
what for, but they they had some

2999
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:21,520
questions on some updates for the county

3000
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,040
on kind of where we were going with our

3001
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:24,120
sub code.

3002
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,440
So, um but yeah, yeah, as soon as that

3003
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,600
pipeline study is ready Yeah, that was

3004
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:30,160
my request. It's going to be have

3005
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:31,920
somebody come in here and show us the

3006
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,720
results of this study.

3007
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:35,760
They had talked about doing it twice

3008
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,920
yearly. So Yeah. So, Aaron, if we could

3009
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:41,000
ask you of letting us know when that's

3010
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,560
done and then we'll have them come in

3011
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,280
and show us the results. I think

3012
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:46,200
everyone would be interested in seeing

3013
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,310
it.

3014
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,320
All right. I have a question.

3015
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:54,600
Um on the HDHO, is that where we're

3016
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,240
Are we going to to um

3017
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:02,040
bring that back? Because currently it's sunsetted. It's sunsetted. Yeah.

3018
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:02,960
That's right. You'd have to bring it

3019
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,520
back. So, we have to bring that whole

3020
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,600
thing back. That's why I'm bringing this

3021
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,790
conversation up.

3022
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,680
And maybe we start with a talk from the

3023
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:15,520
high density or from the housing task

3024
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,360
force and see what they plan to be the

3025
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,760
needs are. So, we this this will have to

3026
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,600
be a code amendment, too. Yeah.

3027
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,840
I have a question about the HDHO.

3028
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,840
How initially like of all the offerings

3029
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,800
that the county has given for HDHO, how

3030
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:36,320
many of them are now built and occupied?

3031
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:37,760
Do we know that or that's one of the

3032
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:38,960
questions we don't know the answer to

3033
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:42,120
yet? 53.

3034
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:43,760
That's it.

3035
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:45,880
53? Did you hear that?

3036
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:50,920
Sorry, 53 units are built and occupied?

3037
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,440
Yes. 53 out of how many were like

3038
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,160
approved or offered by the county? There

3039
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,200
was a presentation in last summer,

3040
01:58:58,200 --> 01:58:58,600
right?

3041
01:58:58,600 --> 01:58:59,640
>> Yeah.

3042
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,360
You know, it's it's

3043
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,440
Yeah, but all of Murphy Flats, yeah,

3044
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:06,880
Peak View, you have Del Sol, and yeah,

3045
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:08,600
they might I mean, Peak View I think

3046
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,760
it's phase one only. That's all

3047
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:12,680
occupied, correct? Del Sol's maybe not

3048
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:16,200
occupied, but it's built. And that's a lot of units. That was a lot of

3049
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,400
glasses. Right. And Murphy Flats is

3050
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:19,920
probably all

3051
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:21,440
It's all built. I know that, and it's

3052
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,320
probably the bulk of it's occupied, I

3053
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:24,480
would assume. So, I think it's more than

3054
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,280
53. Yeah, I'm just going on what was

3055
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:28,880
presented then.

3056
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,000
last summer.

3057
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,800
Right. Yeah, I think it's probably As of

3058
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,080
last summer, 300 HD

3059
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:38,240
HDHO units were approved and 53 were

3060
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:40,440
built and occupied as of last summer.

3061
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,280
So, we just need a current number on

3062
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:43,480
that.

3063
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:45,360
Yeah, I would say

3064
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,600
Okay.

3065
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,760
Cuz I would say we should look at, you

3066
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:54,950
know,

3067
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,910
HDHO

3068
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,040
has to may have that. Cuz yeah, that's

3069
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:01,680
right. You're right, Manny.

3070
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:03,120
How much do we have? Yeah. That's part

3071
02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:10,270
of the information with

3072
02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:12,560
Yeah. I asked how who would have that

3073
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:14,400
information? It would be HASU, right?

3074
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:15,120
Yeah.

3075
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,560
They should. Okay. So, Sarah, would you

3076
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,440
mind getting your hold of HASU and then

3077
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,560
reporting back to this organization next

3078
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:22,800
week?

3079
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,240
I will Yes, I will do that because I

3080
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:28,600
would like to make a data-driven,

3081
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,680
you know,

3082
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,593
uh plan going forward.

3083
02:00:32,593 --> 02:00:33,440
>> [laughter]

3084
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:35,360
>> I think that's excellent. Thanks, Sarah.

3085
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:39,150
I think the task force

3086
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:40,000
All right.

3087
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,720
Yeah, and if that if the answer is the

3088
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:43,360
HASU and task force is going to give us

3089
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:44,760
that report, I think that's a fine

3090
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,120
answer, too.

3091
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:49,960
So, Ben, who's on the task force?

3092
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:54,000
He is the head of HASU, so he's very

3093
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,000
Yeah, he's very key on that. So, you

3094
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,360
know, I think they need a presentation

3095
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:00,400
to tell you and I'll be like Yeah, they

3096
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,160
also want those numbers and stuff cuz

3097
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:04,040
we're looking at that. Could we put that

3098
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,040
inside for future consideration? Yeah, I

3099
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:07,920
think actually what we asked is since

3100
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,280
everyone is going to the meetings

3101
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:11,320
anyways, when that's available, if he

3102
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:14,720
could ask and invite him to come.

3103
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,840
Okay. The Moorpark area affordable

3104
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:19,080
housing plan actually has a section in

3105
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,880
there for housing stock overview. And it

3106
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:23,600
gives you

3107
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:24,840
I don't know. I don't think it's

3108
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:28,840
updated, but it has quite a few of the information we're just talking

3109
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:31,240
about. So, you can find that.

3110
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,360
That's on the dashboard of the HASU,

3111
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:35,200
yeah. on the dashboard of the I'd

3112
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:36,960
recommend you guys can go look at the

3113
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,960
dashboard that they have Okay. going on.

3114
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:41,600
Uh but, they will come in and present

3115
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,310
that dashboard.

3116
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,920
With an explanation, it'd be awesome.

3117
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:48,720
Yeah. Yeah, that's great up here.

3118
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:49,960
All right.

3119
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:51,480
Um

3120
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:53,560
We're in future considerations. I think

3121
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:54,880
that was a good discussion. Do we have

3122
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,080
anything else for future consideration?

3123
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,120
Uh one other thing I'd like to

3124
02:01:59,120 --> 02:02:02,040
find out with uh from that as well

3125
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,920
is the um white tech restrictions with

3126
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:06,480
the HDHO.

3127
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:08,560
So, if we can just make sure that that

3128
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:12,640
if we do go through with the the HDHO,

3129
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:14,400
if we're going to have problems with

3130
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:21,150
white tech.

3131
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:23,120
I would think Ben would have all of that

3132
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,280
cuz I know that I know that HASU has

3133
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,440
built white tech projects. I would

3134
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,840
assume he would have a fairly good grasp

3135
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:30,760
on

3136
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,200
all of that. Yeah, what are the what are

3137
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:34,120
the questions for them?

3138
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:35,200
I just wanted to know what kind of

3139
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:37,520
restrictions we might run into trying to

3140
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:41,160
put white tech on these HDHO over there.

3141
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:43,320
Yeah, good question. That would be

3142
02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:45,040
interesting to see how that would work.

3143
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:46,080
Yeah, because I think that would that

3144
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:47,680
would help at least for my decision on

3145
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:49,760
if if this is a viable path in the

3146
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:51,440
beginning.

3147
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:52,760
And to getting this, I think that white

3148
02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:54,800
tech is definitely something that we

3149
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:56,400
would need to consider moving forward

3150
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,280
for for that area of housing.

3151
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:01,040
Okay.

3152
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:02,840
All right. Do we have any more

3153
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:05,760
discussions under future consideration?

3154
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,320
If not, I'd entertain a motion to

3155
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:08,520
adjourn.

3156
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:09,760
I move.

3157
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:10,720
Second.

3158
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:14,240
Okay. I heard Barry. Manny put Manny.

3159
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:16,345
But, I was third.

3160
02:03:16,345 --> 02:03:17,320
>> [laughter]

3161
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:18,760
>> Thanks, everyone, for

3162
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:20,360
sticking with us on a long meeting

3163
02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:22,480
tonight. Very sorry about that. I didn't

3164
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:29,910
even know it was that late.

3165
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:33,950
What's that?

3166
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:37,520
Yeah, they were pretty quick this night.