1 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,479 Oh, good afternoon. I'd like to call 2 00:01:08,479 --> 00:01:10,640 this meeting on April 7th for the Grand 3 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,479 County Commission 4 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:16,799 of Semon meeting to order at 402 5 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:20,320 and I Trisha Dean Kyla Hadler, Brian 6 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,880 Martinez, Ma Mcan, Michael McCertie, 7 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,119 Bill Linkale, myself, Melody McCandless, 8 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:27,600 we have our county attorney Stephen S, 9 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,400 our county administrator, Art Tiner, and 10 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,640 our clerk auditor Vortekch in attendance 11 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,920 with also Adam um administrative 12 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,360 assistant Quinn 13 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,799 Penny and and Dana in the back. So, I do 14 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:43,200 want to remind you all that we will have 15 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,520 the citizens to be heard, but that will 16 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,200 not be for the public comment. So, the 17 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,759 or the um the hearing. So, we have two 18 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:51,920 hearings this evening and they will both 19 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,399 start after 6 and that's when you'll be 20 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:56,079 able to comment on on that. So, but we 21 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:58,320 will have citizens to be heard. And if 22 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,600 you'll join me in the pledge of 23 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,270 allegiance. 24 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,079 I pledge algiance to the flag of the 25 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:08,720 United States of America and to the 26 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,760 republic for which it stands. One nation 27 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,800 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 28 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,430 justice for all. 29 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200 » And I do want to remind the 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,040 commissioners to use their mics so 31 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,480 everybody in the audience can hear. And 32 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,879 then I also want to remind the audience 33 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,959 to use the mic. So there's a mic on this 34 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:30,959 stand here and there's also a mic on 35 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:32,400 this table. And that way everyone in the 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,200 audience can hear you as well. And is 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,319 who would like to go first? 38 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:39,680 Anyone [snorts] here for just the 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,040 regular citizens to be heard? 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,080 >> Go ahead. Jim, come on. State your name. 41 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,280 >> Okay. My name is Jim Webster and uh I am 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,400 going to speak to the timed entry uh for 43 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,879 just a couple of minutes. And uh some of 44 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:59,120 you might know that I worked and 45 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,959 actually lived in Arches National Park 46 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:04,159 for 10 years and was the chief ranger. 47 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,120 And uh we uh it was very different then 48 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,400 in the '9s and the mid 2000s than it is 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,879 now. But nonetheless problem still 50 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,480 exists. But I I wanted to point out uh 51 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,159 got a couple other people here are going 52 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:24,080 to speak to this, but I wanted to bring 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,080 uh probably everybody's attention to a 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,239 little survey that Utah State University 55 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:33,519 did in 202.2 56 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:36,640 uh after the first year of timed entry. 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Uh my experience at Arches was a short 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,959 entrance road and then we built that 59 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:45,280 longer one in order to 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,840 accommodate many, many, many more 61 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,959 vehicles. So, they didn't come out onto 62 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:53,599 the highway, but of course, they still 63 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,040 come out onto the highway. Uh and that 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,959 the year before time entry started, 65 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:03,200 there were 66 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:09,760 140 times during the busy season that either troopers or park rangers or 67 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,920 both had to close the highway entrance 68 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,320 until the line could go into the park 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,519 140 times between the 1 of April and the 70 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,960 end of October. that is that is very 71 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,440 difficult and timed entry fixed that 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,320 problem for the years uh that uh that 73 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,440 followed that that closure. So uh 80 and 74 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,360 so this went back to the Utah state 75 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,040 survey. They surveyed about 500 people 76 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,040 and 89% 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,960 of the people successfully 78 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,600 uh got a timed entry and 98% of those 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,680 people were able to enter on their 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,400 selected day. So that was very 81 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,919 successful. 82 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:06,080 Uh the 84% of those responding who would 83 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,000 experience the time entry said they 84 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,680 would like to have a reservation in 85 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,880 place system in place like what they 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,960 just experienced. And uh 78% of those 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,120 visitors that were surveyed that had a 88 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,600 timed entry were aware of that system 89 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,880 before they even arrived in the area. So 90 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,560 the park service was able to get that 91 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,280 word out and uh that's a good thing. So 92 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:36,400 most of the people that uh expressed an 93 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,919 opin opinion about the system they liked 94 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:41,440 it 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,919 uh and 88% of the people said they had 96 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:47,840 no impacts to their experience because 97 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:52,160 of time entry. So, uh 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,720 I believe that 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,720 for whatever reason the time entry was 100 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,880 pulled here, uh that was in my opinion a 101 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,479 mistake and it should be reinstituted 102 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:08,319 until something some other positive plan 103 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,319 for accommodating 104 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,560 the million and a half people that come 105 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,120 into this park uh are able to, 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,360 you know, see see how uh we can do it. 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,280 But but I think that we're going to go 108 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,479 back to the same experience that 109 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:29,680 occurred dur the year prior to timed 110 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,400 entry which is you're going to have so 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,919 many people coming in. You're going to 112 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:36,560 end up closing the highway, closing the 113 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,720 road, going into the park at the high 114 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,199 entrance. People are going to come up 115 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:42,800 and they're going to get flagged on, 116 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,680 waved on. You know, you can't you can't 117 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,840 even turn in here. I can't even turn 118 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,759 around here. You've got to go up to 119 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:52,479 brands to turn around or 120 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:55,039 however they will need to do that. 121 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:55,919 >> Thank you. 122 00:06:55,919 --> 00:06:58,880 Jim. 123 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:05,110 >> All right, come on up. 124 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,240 » I like standing. I don't know why. Uh my 125 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,919 name is Carrie Dabney and I'm here on 126 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:12,000 behalf of Walt Dabney who would be here 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,160 except he's floating the Grand Canyon. 128 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,560 Um, so he wanted me to read into the 129 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,960 record a letter to the the commissioners 130 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,720 and I've got a signed copy uh leave with 131 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,599 you all. Anyway, here's his letter. Dear 132 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,440 Grand County Commissioners, the issue of 133 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,440 overcrowding at Arches and how to help 134 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,440 visitors plan their trip, enter the 135 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,440 park, find parking, and actually enjoy 136 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,080 their experience remains unresolved. The 137 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,720 timed entry system that was previously 138 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,880 in place worked. It allowed visitors to 139 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,039 plan ahead, spend time elsewhere in the 140 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:45,199 area, and arrive at a reserved time to 141 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,880 experience the park without overwhelming 142 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,599 congestion. Its removal, for political 143 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:51,520 reasons, has brought back long entrance 144 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,759 lines and full parking lots, conditions 145 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:56,160 anyone can observe today. During my 146 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,919 eight years in the 1990s as general 147 00:07:57,919 --> 00:07:59,680 superintendent for the Southeast Utah 148 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Group, we were already grappling with 149 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,599 these same challenges. We expanded 150 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:05,680 parking, improved and hardened trails, 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,840 and paved the road to Delicate Arch. 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,440 These efforts helped, but they did not 153 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,840 eliminate crowding. Visitors would still 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,759 come to my office frustrated about long 155 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:15,840 waits and lack of parking. And their 156 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,240 most common suggestion was simple. Just 157 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,720 get some buses. A shuttle system, 158 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,879 possibly combined with a bike lane, may 159 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:25,199 indeed be part of a long-term solution, 160 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:27,199 but it is far more complex than it 161 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,599 sounds. The logistics are significant 162 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,000 and the costs are substantial. Key 163 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,760 questions must be addressed. Would 164 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,760 private vehicles be eliminated entirely 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,760 as they are in Zion or allowed in 166 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,839 limited numbers? Would an entrance lane 167 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:42,000 be dedicated to shuttles? If shuttles 168 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,680 and private vehicles are mixed, 169 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:46,320 congestion could worsen, not improve. 170 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,320 Then there are operational realities. 171 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,080 How many buses are needed every day of 172 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,920 the week? How many drivers and where 173 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,160 will they live? Where will visitors park 174 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,720 to access the system? Where will buses 175 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,440 be stored, maintained, and repaired, and 176 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,760 by whom? Visitor safety is another 177 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,920 critical concern. In summer heat that 178 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,720 reaches 110°, shuttle stops would 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,120 require shade, water, and possibly 180 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 restrooms. From my experience at the 181 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,440 south rim of the Grand Canyon, shuttle 182 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,360 systems are often used as sightseeing 183 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,240 rides, not just transportation. This can 184 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,160 lead to long waits as full buses pass 185 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,160 by. I've personally experienced 186 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,320 situations where multiple full buses 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,640 forced our group to split up just to get 188 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,959 back. conditions that raise real safety 189 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:31,519 concerns for a variety of reasons. In 190 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,440 short, the shuttle system is not a great 191 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 fix. It requires careful planning. 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,080 Infrastruct is not a quick fix. It 193 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,600 requires careful planning, 194 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,839 infrastructure, staffing, and most 195 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:44,000 importantly, sustained funding. The 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,920 concept has been studied before, but 197 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,839 never funded. If there's serious 198 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:50,080 interest in pursuing a shuttle system, 199 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,760 the effort must focus on securing 200 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,760 congressional appropriations. The 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,600 National Park Service cannot lobby for 202 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,839 funding. That responsibility lies with 203 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:00,000 citizens and elected officials, 204 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,440 including Utah's congressional 205 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,519 delegation. This approach has worked 206 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:05,839 before, as seen when Senator Bob Bennett 207 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:07,440 helped secure funding for the Arches 208 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,839 Visitor Center. Until such a system is 209 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:11,760 fully planned and funded, the most 210 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,240 effective immediate step is clear. 211 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,720 Reinstate the timed entry system. It is 212 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,120 a proven tool that reduces congestion, 213 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,600 improves visitor experience, and helps 214 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,160 protect the park. Sincerely, welcome. 215 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,000 Thank you. Okay. 216 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,240 >> Thank you. 217 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:35,910 >> Come on up, Dave. [clears throat] 218 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,519 » My name is Dave Bodner. I'm going to 219 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:40,640 cover some of the things Carrie covered, 220 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,880 but speaking directly to you, Mr. 221 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,959 Martinez, I don't know who you're 222 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:47,600 working with upstate, but this so-called 223 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,160 ACE plan is the work of people who want 224 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,160 the state to take control of the federal 225 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,399 lands in Utah. Now that you're 226 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,240 unemployed, you have even more time to 227 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,920 work against the citizens of Grand 228 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,880 County. You were elected to represent 229 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,200 the citizens of Grand County. You were 230 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,279 not elected to be the superintendent of 231 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,160 Arches National Park. I've seen your 232 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,399 Facebook pace with a post with a little 233 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:13,680 bus icon and find it to be ridiculous. 234 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,760 How many buses will it take to pull this 235 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,240 off? At least two or three on each of 236 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,800 the five routes. Where will they be 237 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,640 stored at night? How many mechanics will 238 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,200 it take to maintain them? You want a hub 239 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,600 at Balance Rock, but since there will be 240 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,360 waiting time for the next bus, there 241 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,000 will need to be bathrooms, running 242 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,160 water, shade, and rain structures. 243 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Creating these will cost hundreds of 244 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,440 thousands of dollars, if not more. And 245 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,000 there will be massive crowds at these 246 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,640 locations, which you can check with Zion 247 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Park and find [clears throat] out that is the case. When the trails are 248 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,120 all interconnected, will there be a 249 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,240 trail patrol, like a ski patrol 250 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,640 at the ski resorts to sweep the trails 251 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,888 every evening, make sure nobody 252 00:11:57,888 --> 00:11:59,839 [clears throat] gets left out there? If 253 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:01,519 you miss the last bus, do you have to 254 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,920 walk out? What are the hours of 255 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,519 operation? On the desk, 9 to5. You call 256 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,519 for a bicycle trail that goes through a 257 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,519 sandy wash flash. So, your gravel trail 258 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,240 will get washed away. And you expect the 259 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,720 bike people when they get to the hub to 260 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,480 get on the buses. I don't think they'll 261 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,560 do that. And I think they're going to 262 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,120 ride out the main exit and not go back 263 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,360 on the gravel trail. Um, 264 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,240 this past week has shown that not having 265 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,600 time entry causes massive problems. Long 266 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,600 lines and no place to park once you get 267 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,600 enough parking. It's time to let the 268 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,639 park be managed by the park service. 269 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:48,069 Thanks for your time. 270 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:54,629 Thank you, Mary. 271 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:57,680 » Mary O'Brien, Castle Valley. I believe 272 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,160 the following epitomizes the entire 273 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 attack on Arches National Parks approach 274 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,160 to transportation and non-impairment of 275 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,639 resources. At the February 3rd 276 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:10,560 commission meeting, approval of the 277 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,559 Gardener Institute's request to extend 278 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,680 [clears throat] the deadline for their 279 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,160 timed entry report to April 30th was on 280 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,800 the agenda. Commissioner Hadler 281 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,120 supported that, but proposed an 282 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,880 amendment that would include Commission 283 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,200 Administrator Tiner as a point of 284 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,839 contact along with Mr. Winfield who had 285 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:30,160 been the point of contact and who had 286 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,240 been meeting monthly with Gardner 287 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Institute along with Commissioner 288 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Martinez. We only learned Mr. Martinez 289 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,800 was at the meetings through a grammar 290 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,760 request. Winfield opposed Hadler's 291 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,000 amendment to the contract, implying it 292 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,279 wasn't needed. He said, "Do I quote, "Do 293 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:49,040 I have a problem with the commission 294 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,120 administrator being a point of contact 295 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,639 with me? I have no problem with that." 296 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:57,040 End quote. And with Winfield's verbal 297 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,199 implication that Tiner would also be a 298 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:01,360 point of contact, four commissioners 299 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,000 passed the report deadline extension. 300 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,120 three didn't trust that. A week later, 301 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,000 February 11th, administrator Tinerailed 302 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,480 emailed to all commissioners that he had 303 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,560 informed Gardner Institute that he would 304 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:17,760 be a second point of contact. However, 305 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 as we found out only through a grammar 306 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,920 request on February 23rd, Bill Winfield 307 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,959 a emailed to the Gardener Institute and 308 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:30,399 Tiner and CC two commissioners 309 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,360 McCannless and Martinez but excluded 310 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,399 commissioners Mccertie, Hadler, McCann 311 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:39,440 or Hadine the following quote. As the 312 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,279 point person for this study with the 313 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:44,079 Chem Gardner Institute, I want to make 314 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:46,480 it very clear that there should be no 315 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,480 information released to anyone other 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,120 than myself. I am overseeing this 317 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,839 project for Grand County and have been 318 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:56,880 from day one. No one other than myself 319 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,120 is authorized to receive information 320 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,839 regarding this project. Please make it 321 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:04,320 very clear to everyone at the gu 322 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,440 gardener institute that I'm the only one 323 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,160 that will be requesting information and 324 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,519 the only person authorized to do so by 325 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,240 grand county commission. 326 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,320 So we're to trust Bill's report on the 327 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,959 gardener process tonight. 328 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:23,120 trust his report regarding what all he 329 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,835 and Brian Martinez pushed for in DC 330 00:15:26,835 --> 00:15:28,160 [clears throat] or whether a shuttle 331 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,959 plan against Arches National Park will 332 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:33,440 be a product of anyone other than Bill 333 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,560 and Brian and Melody. 334 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,279 Thank you. 335 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:43,279 Like to speak. 336 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,079 I'll get her and then you 337 00:15:46,079 --> 00:15:52,230 first. 338 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,399 » Hello. Uh my name is Crystal Music. I 339 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,720 have lived in Moab off and on for about 340 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,519 10 years. I recently moved away for two 341 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:04,079 years to California and recently came 342 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:07,120 back for a visit. So, I wanted to point 343 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,759 out some good things I've seen. Uh, it 344 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:12,880 was great to see the new playground in 345 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,079 um, Swany Park. There has been a lot of 346 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:18,800 housing, especially over Mil Creek Drive 347 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,880 that looks like all different types of 348 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,000 units. Definitely looks like a mix of 349 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,880 housing development. Um, like I also 350 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,120 enjoyed seeing the new trash cans, 351 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,839 something I advocated for. [laughter] 352 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:36,399 Um, it's nice to hear that this police 353 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:40,000 staff has been um, adequately staffed. I 354 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,759 still follow the news in Moab even 355 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,720 though I wasn't living here anymore. Um, 356 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,759 some bad things that I also saw was the 357 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,839 increase in development. Um, that's 358 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:53,519 bound to happen. Growth will happen. Um, 359 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:54,959 I don't know what's going to be 360 00:16:54,959 --> 00:16:56,639 affordable. I don't know if there's any 361 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,846 senior housing in the future plans. 362 00:16:59,846 --> 00:17:00,240 >> [clears throat] 363 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,440 >> Um it still is a very very noisy town 364 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,919 and place to live that I think affects 365 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:10,799 every um person that lives here in town. 366 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,439 It's not bicycle friendly at all. So I 367 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:14,880 think that's an improvement that can be 368 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,120 done in the county. Um could be a better 369 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:21,760 diversified economy. Many of my friends 370 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,000 that still live and work here work two 371 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,959 or three jobs with no benefits, no 372 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:29,360 healthcare, nothing. Um, we just need 373 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,080 better jobs, better paying jobs, and 374 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,320 then the people can have a good quality 375 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,080 of life. Um, 376 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,000 I just want to remind you why national 377 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,799 parks were created. Created for the 378 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:46,720 resource to protect those very special 379 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,240 places. 380 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,919 Um, 381 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:52,000 more people doesn't always necessarily 382 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,350 mean good for the land. 383 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,120 And 384 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,280 I just want to, you know, think about 385 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,960 the people that live here in their 386 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,960 day-to-day life and the decisions that 387 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,360 the county makes. Um, there's a lot of 388 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:10,320 outside people that come here. Um, Moab 389 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,480 is basically industrial tourism in a 390 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,559 town based on greed, but there's a lot 391 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:18,000 of people here that love it for it being 392 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,760 quiet and peaceful in the outdoor 393 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,799 recreation. And we love visitors, but 394 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,679 there is a point when you are going to 395 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:28,160 go beyond that. Thank you. 396 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,202 >> Thank you. Okay, come on up, Pete. 397 00:18:32,202 --> 00:18:36,470 [clears throat] 398 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,360 » My name is Pete Gross. I'd like to echo 399 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,120 the sentiments of all the previous 400 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,640 speakers. I agree with all of them 401 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,799 wholeheartedly. I have a lot to say 402 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:46,480 about and I don't know if I could fit it 403 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,480 all in the public hearing point or if I 404 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,160 can stay around, but I just want to 405 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,080 remind you in 1992 the Grand County 406 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,400 Commission granted Charlie Nelson a 407 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,480 commercial zone for a 10acre primitive 408 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,559 campground at the downstream end of this 409 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,799 property. I don't need to elaborate what 410 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,120 happened almost 30 years later. And then 411 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,799 we have the municipality view of the 412 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:07,280 state that they've created. Anyway, 413 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,679 that's all I have. Oh, that's all I have 414 00:19:09,679 --> 00:19:11,200 to say for now. Thank you. 415 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,240 >> Thank you. 416 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,640 Come on up, please. 417 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,919 >> Sorry to be a little delayed there. I'm 418 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:20,480 Dan Kent and I live just four blocks 419 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,280 that way on the same street as Bill. So, 420 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,960 uh, he seems a little bit more tolerant 421 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,559 of the noise than I am. Maybe. I don't 422 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:27,919 know. Maybe it's cuz I'm just sensitive 423 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:29,919 to it cuz I'm a wildlife biologist. But, 424 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,280 uh, it's this is town. I know it's town 425 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,799 and so it's loud because of that. But, I 426 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,960 just want to point out that what Crystal 427 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,799 just said rings true for a lot of us. 428 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:40,880 And it's difficult when you've got 429 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,559 developers constantly pressuring the 430 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:44,559 council and people that have an interest 431 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,799 in developing, benefiting from what the 432 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,280 council does to keep clear on what the 433 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,799 citizens want. And yeah, we want a 434 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,320 healthy community, but there is such a 435 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,919 thing as too much growth, too fast 436 00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:55,360 growth, and I think we are clearly an 437 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:01,919 example of that. Um, and so I agree it's unsafe for bicyclists. It's way too 438 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:03,360 noisy. There's been way too little 439 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,960 emphasis on reducing the noise, 440 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 especially from uh commercial groups 441 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,520 that are bringing razors all over the 442 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,120 place now and having a massive amount of 443 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,799 impact. I think it's really important 444 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:14,559 that we paying attention to how much 445 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,400 impact per person we're getting. We 446 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,520 don't think much about carrying 447 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,200 capacity. And that's the key thing to me 448 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,559 is if you're going to have somebody come 449 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,000 here, where are they leaving their 450 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,760 trailer if they have brought one? Um 451 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,200 where what's going to happen to the 452 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,480 destruction that they do to public 453 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,080 lands? Are we're going to be saddled 454 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,520 with that? whether it's us as people 455 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,240 driving messed up roads and eroded out 456 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,240 uh creek systems or we're going to have 457 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,159 to repair it. So, I think it's really 458 00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:37,360 important that we start thinking more 459 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,039 and our especially now the travel budget 460 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:40,720 has gotten so huge. We got to think 461 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,400 about who are we bringing in. We got to 462 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,280 target that because this is a sensitive 463 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,799 landscape. It's really fragile. It's 464 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,480 super steep and erosive. We got to think 465 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,480 about those things. Anyway, couple other 466 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,440 points that I had. Um oh, and I just 467 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,600 wanted to echo also Crystal's comment 468 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,520 about diversity. 469 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,200 Why aren't we diversifying more? Why are 470 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,640 we putting all our eggs in one basket 471 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,799 with tourism? I know it's not totally 472 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,559 just tourism, but I just see way too 473 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,799 much time spent on tourism and breaking 474 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:08,080 things that have already been fixed, 475 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,520 like the time entry system, which I 476 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,679 totally feel is working, even though I'm 477 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:13,360 not for it. I don't want that. I want 478 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,120 free access anytime. And I don't even 479 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,360 come in the main entrance anymore. But I 480 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,320 want to have the freedom to visit Arches 481 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,159 without it being overwhelmed with too 482 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:23,760 many people. I don't even want to be 483 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,120 there. I don't want to be on sand flats 484 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,720 anymore. I'm losing the places that I 485 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,039 can go as a citizen, which is why I 486 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:30,799 really hope you guys work primarily on 487 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:32,320 protecting the back country that is 488 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,039 still quiet by things like the road 489 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,919 project that happened out by 10 mile. We 490 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:39,440 shut down two of the key roads that were 491 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,120 doing damage out there, 10M and 492 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,120 Labyrinth Canyon. I hope we can hold 493 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,480 that line. And I hope you guys are going 494 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,320 to help hold that line for us since you 495 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,320 are our elected representatives who said 496 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,240 that you were interested in def in 497 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,919 defending and representing the people of 498 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:53,679 this town, not outside developers like 499 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:56,400 the Cane Creek people who, you know, you 500 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,559 know, that's meabox money. That's $35 501 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:01,440 billion fortune from the Hyatt Regency. 502 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,039 So that is not locals and that's not 503 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,760 what you guys should be here supporting. 504 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,520 In fact, I'd like to see you doing a lot 505 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,840 more to stop that. And I I know that 506 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,400 it's at a pause moment, but please, you 507 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,320 know, show us that you're really trying 508 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,320 to defend the town and its integrity 509 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,400 because it's a gem and it's not common 510 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,799 and we've got to work hard not to just 511 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,480 become like everything else by building 512 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,280 more. Um, 513 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840 I just wanted to say that, you know, 514 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,600 with that wershed protection is super 515 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,440 important right now, an enhancement of 516 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,039 our water flow. So, if we could get the 517 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,760 Colorado River right that we have a 518 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,039 right to, I think this is the year 519 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:38,159 because if we don't, I think we're going 520 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:39,840 to lose that. It's really important that 521 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,360 we work on getting the Colorado River 522 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,039 white right established if we ever want 523 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,760 to have that water accessible to us. Um, 524 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760 and protecting our roadless areas is 525 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,600 super important. The Lasalis is our 526 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,440 wershed and we need to be working on 527 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,960 protecting that, not developing new 528 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,240 motorized trails or or making room for 529 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,720 more cattle or enhancing Trump's plan to 530 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,320 sell off our national forests and log 531 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,760 them. We don't want that happening in 532 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,880 Los. [clears throat] It's a mountain 533 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960 island. It's super important to protect. 534 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,919 And if you don't mind me going over, I'm 535 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:10,080 sorry, but I had one more thing I wanted 536 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,840 to mention. 537 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,400 >> Go ahead. 538 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,000 >> No, that's good enough. I I appreciate 539 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,280 I'll be back at six. 540 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,559 >> All right. Perfect. Well, thank you. 541 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:19,760 >> All right. In the back corner and 542 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,640 turquoise. 543 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,159 >> I'm not going to walk all the way up 544 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:26,480 there. Um I've lived here for 73 years. 545 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,840 >> You can't be heard. your cat hair the 546 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,480 microphone. 547 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,520 >> Sorry, Marca. I want to be on record and 548 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,120 then just 549 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:35,919 >> All right. Thank you. 550 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:36,480 >> All right. 551 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,919 >> Sorry, Marca. [laughter] 552 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,559 >> Marsha. Marshall. I've lived here for 73 553 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,760 years. All I can say is just short. This 554 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,559 is bait and switch tactics. 555 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:50,559 >> You bait him to get the zoning, then you 556 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,640 switch the plan. And I'm very angry 557 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000 about it. And I want to thank the 558 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,760 commission for taking on such hard 559 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,600 issues. 560 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,559 There you go. 561 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,760 >> Thank you. 562 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,600 >> Okay. Anyone else like to come up and 563 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 speak? 564 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,679 >> And then you'll have the opportunity at 565 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:11,600 6:00 when we open up the public hearings 566 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,679 to speak on [clears throat] 567 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:16,080 >> So if we 568 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,120 talk now about the reasonzoning 569 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,640 then it's not going to be on public 570 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,559 record. No, it won't go cuz that's when 571 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:23,919 >> we have to wait till 6. 572 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:25,440 >> Yeah, 573 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520 we can speak now, but it won't be on the 574 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,640 actual public record. 575 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,320 >> But I send an email. 576 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,520 >> That would be on public records. 577 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,200 >> Yes, you can send us email or 578 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,799 >> I'd like to talk. 579 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,240 Okay. 580 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,351 >> And and just one c one caveat, 581 00:24:38,351 --> 00:24:39,520 [clears throat] we're not supposed to 582 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,200 receive public comment regarding the 583 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,760 zoning outside that range. So, it's not 584 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,279 that it wouldn't be part of the record. 585 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,120 We really need to contain the comments 586 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,760 at at the 6:00 point. So if you wanted 587 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,360 to speak to any other topic, you could 588 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,120 do it at four. But the reason why we do 589 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,440 that is to have that that consistency 590 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,279 >> and she get on Zoom when she gets home. 591 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,279 >> Definitely everybody can log on to Zoom. 592 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,760 You can it it's just makes it easier for 593 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,679 everybody to catch where it's at so that 594 00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:05,120 we don't have people going to different 595 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,919 places. So it's not meant to offend. 596 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:10,640 >> Sorry. Okay. Anybody else? 597 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,400 >> I wonder 598 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,760 question. 599 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,240 >> I was confused as to why the public 600 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,919 hearing was at six since it wasn't 601 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:19,760 money. because it's still in our 602 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,360 policies and procedures that way. I ask 603 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,480 as well, Mary. 604 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:22,960 >> Thank you. 605 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600 >> Yeah, in the future hopefully public 606 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520 hearings, if they don't include the 607 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600 budget, can be at the beginning of our 608 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,880 meeting, but in our policies and 609 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,080 procedures, that's how it's set up right 610 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,799 now. But state code can change, so we're 611 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,480 working on that. Come on up. 612 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,267 >> Thank you. 613 00:25:39,267 --> 00:25:39,922 [cough] 614 00:25:39,922 --> 00:25:43,510 [clears throat] 615 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,960 >> Hello. 616 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,039 >> I'm Laurley Green. I know many of you, 617 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:50,240 some of you know me as well. And um I 618 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240 can't make it at 6, so I'm going to make 619 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,279 this vague so that I don't uh and I 620 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:56,320 don't really care about it being on 621 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,080 public record. It's just for you all to 622 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,159 hear. So that's what's important. First 623 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,000 of all, thank you commissioners for your 624 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,880 hard work, um 625 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,600 your dedication and all the very very 626 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,279 difficult decisions you make. And I 627 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,360 think many of us recognize that that you 628 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,039 have a hard job and it's hard to make 629 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:18,080 everybody happy. So um with that said uh 630 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,919 I think many of us I I'll speak for 631 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:22,080 myself are you know we support tourism 632 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,919 here that's the way it's our livelihood 633 00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:25,600 it's how we make our uh it's how we 634 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,120 survive here and um we also support 635 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,520 small businesses right we all have to 636 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,000 survive one way or another and um but at 637 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,120 the same time we all want um a good 638 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,960 quality of life for the people here in 639 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,559 Moab but I know that's at the top of 640 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,480 your agendas as well and Um, you know, 641 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,080 when it comes to uh reszoning properties 642 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,679 and making those those big decisions, 643 00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,720 um, I just wanted to to say this, and 644 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,559 it's obvious, but just to remind you of 645 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,559 it, that, um, when these kind of 646 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,120 decisions are made, it doesn't always 647 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:04,960 mean that um, promises are kept by the 648 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,080 people that you're um, reszoning for 649 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,720 property. And um, we don't always know 650 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,200 what happens down the line. um when 651 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,799 different generations you know 652 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,159 properties are passed down to different 653 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:18,480 generations and every generation can 654 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,200 make different decisions and um and of 655 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,480 course properties can be sold and um 656 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960 I've heard many times that and I know 657 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,559 nothing about construction and I've 658 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,640 heard many times oh you know so and so 659 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,080 in this location doesn't have the 660 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,080 infrastructure to to build uh resorts 661 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 and things like that and again I don't 662 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,159 know a lot about construction but I do 663 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,960 know that technology is changing ing um 664 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,720 every moment. So we may not have the 665 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600 technology right now to um put certain 666 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760 types of in structure in that doesn't 667 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,120 mean 5 years from now it won't exist. Um 668 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,440 so we do have to I encourage you to 669 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,720 think down the line when you're making 670 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,399 big decisions like that and um yeah so 671 00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:03,679 just wanted you all to know that and 672 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:06,159 thank you again for your hard work. 673 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,559 >> Thank you. 674 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,880 Okay. Do we have anyone else who'd like 675 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,039 to speak? 676 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,480 >> No. And I don't think there's anyone 677 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,080 online and so 678 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,440 >> I think everyone online is for the six 679 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,919 o'clock. 680 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,840 >> Okay. 6 o'clock. And a lot of people may 681 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,159 be here. Okay. Well, we're going to move 682 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,960 along to our presentation. So, we had a 683 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,240 presentation that was going to be on 684 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,240 history and process of the site future 685 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,240 plan and we have postponed that and 686 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,919 moved that to a joint city meeting 687 00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,159 that's going to be next Friday, April 688 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:38,559 17th. So if you're interested in that 689 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,799 then you can show up at this at city 690 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,559 hall. 691 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,320 And our next one is a crowd seeing 692 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,159 updates with Jared Smith and I think 693 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,120 it's online. 694 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,190 >> Okay. 695 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,159 » He's not online. 696 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,799 Okay. 697 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,200 Do you want to message him? 698 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120 >> If he comes online, we could 699 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,480 presentation. So we'll go ahead because 700 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,360 I see Maddie out there. [laughter] 701 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,880 >> Wait, Maddie, come back. Maddie, do you 702 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,760 want to come in? 703 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,799 >> She's like, "No, I'm not escaping." 704 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,320 >> She said, "Sure, she's coming back." 705 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,510 >> Okay. 706 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,360 » So, we'll move along to our Spanish 707 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,720 Valley Drive. 708 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,760 >> Yeah, that's wrong. That's wrong. 709 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,200 >> Yeah. Note that in our posted agenda, it 710 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440 had said the 21st for that meeting. 711 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,200 That's our next meeting here at this 712 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,679 county, but the joint meeting with um 713 00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,840 site teaches plan will be on the 17th. 714 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,559 So it was posted on 715 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,159 and we are going to have our department 716 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:45,919 report with Maddie Lawitz, our trails 717 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:49,679 director and also Sean 718 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:53,200 too. Sean Yates, our county engineer. 719 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,640 We're going to have a Spanish valley dry 720 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,640 path progress update which I'm sure all 721 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,960 of you are very interested in as well. 722 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:00,640 [clears throat] 723 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,080 I'll leave some paper. 724 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,240 >> Okay, perfect. Okay, so this is an 725 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,760 update on the Spanish Valley Drive 726 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,000 multi-use pathway project. There's a 727 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,679 management team for this project that 728 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,279 has about eight or nine people that's 729 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,200 been meeting meeting intermittently. 730 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,960 That includes two commissioners, 731 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,120 commission admin, uh representatives 732 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,600 from planning and zoning, roads and 733 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320 trails, um a project manager from Jones 734 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520 and Deil Engineering, and then also um 735 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,960 representation from the trail mix 736 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,240 advisory committee that active 737 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,279 transportation representative. 738 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,840 So, some uh overall benefits to this 739 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,840 project, of course, there's the active 740 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,679 transportation component where improve 741 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,000 active transportation access down 742 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Spanish and safety. Um, but there's also 743 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,559 a lot of other benefits to drainage 744 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,320 improvements and utility protection that 745 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,679 are needed in that corridor. So, this 746 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,200 project is going to incorporate kind of 747 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,559 all of those updates at the same time. 748 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,760 UD do awarded uh 2.7 million back in 749 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,960 2021. Since then, the project costs have 750 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200 increased. So, the current estimate that 751 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,360 was just recently refined is 3.8 752 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,279 million, which does leave a question 753 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,080 about $1.1 million that's not covered by 754 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,039 that U DOT contribution. 755 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,600 The completion schedule is um it's 756 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,840 everything goes to plan. Hopefully the 757 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,159 advertisement for bids will go out mid 758 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:23,440 to late this year um in time for work to 759 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,600 begin next year and then wrap up by fall 760 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,149 winter 2027. 761 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:33,039 Let's see the design. So we have a 90% 762 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,720 um engineering plan that's available in 763 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360 the admin office and there's been a few 764 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,720 updates to that in the last few months. 765 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,399 So, I know there was some concerns about 766 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:45,440 there's some um special considerations 767 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,519 along that corridor. There's a historic 768 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,200 art bottle wall, so there's been some 769 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,960 modifications to make sure that that can 770 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,480 stay in place and some other 771 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,960 adjustments. 772 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,480 And then the current project is working 773 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,120 on the right of way. So, Gra County does 774 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,440 have a right-of-way acquisition agent 775 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,880 and she's been working since early 776 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,960 February with four different um property 777 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320 owners or residents who requested um 778 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,720 appraisal discussions and negotiations. 779 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,360 And so, um one small correction is it 780 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,640 says that those are complete. Those will 781 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,840 actually be complete at the end of the 782 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,679 week, but we're hoping to bring those um 783 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,600 uh updated appraisals to the next 784 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,320 commission meeting on the 21st. 785 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,159 So, that brings us to next steps. Um 786 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,799 yeah, so finishing up the um the right 787 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,000 ofway acquisitions and then um the 788 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,360 commission will be asking the commission 789 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,039 to make a decision about that uh funding 790 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,039 gap essentially between what UD do has 791 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,120 contributed and what county needs to 792 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600 contribute. So that's $1.1 million. And 793 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,000 so we're expecting that um according to 794 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000 other recent projects, once we have a 795 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,360 100% engineering plan complete, the um 796 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,440 EDOT will require a letter of commitment 797 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,519 from the county uh to confirm the 798 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,039 funding 799 00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,120 that's on the horizon. 800 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,720 Um and then some other things that are 801 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,320 in the works right now are working with 802 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,240 utility companies. This has been 803 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,840 primarily led by the Jones and Deill um 804 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,960 engineer coordinating that and then um 805 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,279 some uh need for followup with the 806 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,039 neighborhood to do some outreach to 807 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,880 provide residents with an update. 808 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,720 >> Anything else to add? 809 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,640 >> Well, some late breaking news today. I 810 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,039 spoke with Judy Larson, a rideway agent. 811 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,519 And uh we will have all four appraisals 812 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,840 ready by the end of the week, beginning 813 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,200 of next week for presentation to uh you 814 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,519 as commissioners at the next meeting on 815 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,640 the 21st for funding of that rideway 816 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880 acquisition. I can't divulge any kind of 817 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,679 numbers that were shared with me today, 818 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:45,360 but it'll be a reasonable rideway 819 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,399 acquisition um offer initial offer to 820 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:51,200 those property owners. Um, one reason 821 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,399 that the appraisals need to go back for 822 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,279 revision is that the initial appraisal 823 00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,600 um, in particular had looked at the uh, 824 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,919 the property adjacent or the property on 825 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:06,559 the um, where the bottom wall was. Um, 826 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,359 that needs to be lowered somewhat 827 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,240 because the bottom wall is going to be 828 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:13,919 preserved there. So, that'll that'll 829 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,679 save the county some dollars as well as 830 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,639 preserve that bottle wall. Also, um a 831 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,159 daughter of one of the property owners 832 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,599 came in today um and had some questions. 833 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,320 The uh the project designer Dave Camille 834 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,079 is going to meet with that individual 835 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,320 here in a week or so on a Zoom meeting 836 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,280 and provide a 3D model so that that 837 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,800 individual and her mother can see 838 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,159 actually what the impacts will be 839 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,520 visually um from that rideway table. But 840 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,760 overall, I believe that u things are 841 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,879 going well in the project and um it's 842 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,320 been a long time coming from what I 843 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520 understand. It's been even before 2021. 844 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,159 So, this will be a joyous occasion when 845 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,790 we cut the ribbon on this. 846 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,320 » Any questions from commissioners? Go 847 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,520 ahead, Jo. 848 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,160 >> So, uh, you talked about the 1.1 million 849 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,720 funding gap. 850 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,560 Where will that get us as far as how far 851 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,320 south? I think originally when I I've 852 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,599 been involved with this for a long time, 853 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:12,720 we were talking about getting all the 854 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,800 way down to Bean Street and then it it's 855 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,240 kind of crept back up. It was the 856 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,680 four-way at one point and then it was 857 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,520 back all the way up to uh just past our 858 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,839 way crossing I think to resource. Um 859 00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:27,200 where exactly if we if we if the full 860 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,880 thing is funded and is there an option 861 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,000 if we aren't able to meet the 1.1 862 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,119 funding gap is just extend it as far 863 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,720 south as we can and then pick it up when 864 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,200 more funding might be available. 865 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,599 >> Yeah, that's always an option. 866 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,359 Um the 3.85 805. From what I understand, 867 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:47,200 it estimate takes us all the way to 868 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,480 resource boulevard. 869 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,839 >> Okay. So, the the whole shebang. 870 00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:53,839 >> So, we need the extra 1.1 to get us to 871 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:54,640 resource pool. 872 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,880 >> That's correct. Yeah. 873 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,320 >> I suppose there's some other options 874 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,920 that could could go in there. If we're 875 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,440 really pressed for cash, we could we 876 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,280 could end it um after the the retaining 877 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,720 wall section is built and then just 878 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,040 build a shoulder. Um, I think there's 879 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,480 probably several different options that 880 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,880 the designers could explore if we're wanting to tighten that 881 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,839 acquisition or that that project 882 00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:20,960 >> match down a bit. 883 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,560 >> Commission. 884 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,359 >> Um, do we have any numbers on the 885 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,280 acquisition of the property rights yet? 886 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,520 I mean, is that included in the 1.1 887 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,079 million on here? It says it's not. 888 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,520 >> It's it's not because we didn't know 889 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,119 what those acquisition numbers going to 890 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,880 be. because there are federal dollars in 891 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,440 this project. It was it's a tap grant. I 892 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,400 think it's supposed to be um the code of 893 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 federal the code of federal regulations 894 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,720 requires that we go through a uniform 895 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,560 act. I think most of you are familiar 896 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,800 with um the additional strings that are 897 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,320 attached when you have federal dollars 898 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560 and you're acquiring private property 899 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,440 and and part of that is u going through 900 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,800 the the appraisal the appraisals uh 901 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,880 making the offers uh allowing the 902 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,320 property owners to get their own 903 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,400 appraisals and then to counter offer and 904 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,160 then to negotiate in between. Um but um 905 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,920 I was given a dollar amount over the 906 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,599 phone by the appraiser. I can't divulge 907 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,040 that at this point, but it was 908 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,599 reasonable um for that piece of property 909 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,640 where the art bottle wall exists. Um and 910 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,090 I I shared that with [laughter] here 911 00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:23,040 [clears throat] before the meeting. We 912 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,960 don't anticipate that that cost is going 913 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,800 to be exorbitant. 914 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,720 >> But that's just one property, aren't 915 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,240 there? Multiple along there. 916 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,320 >> Yeah, there are four properties 917 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,680 >> in aggregate all four of those 918 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,920 properties. We're not looking at a huge 919 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,430 sum of money. 920 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,440 » Okay. Uh Mike, 921 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,079 >> uh this is a mix between Gabe and you 922 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,440 guys, I guess. Uh it says in 2021, uh 923 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,520 the project received 2.7 million. Uh I 924 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,760 have a grant, I'm guessing, on that one. 925 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320 Uh are we holding that money? Are we 926 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,839 holding a blank check? 927 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:01,200 >> Yeah, it's it's in fund 47. Um and then 928 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,280 the the draw downs have been primarily 929 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,800 for engineering that have come out of 930 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,160 the planning and zoning department. 931 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,800 >> Okay. 932 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,119 >> Question. uh in fund 47 we're still 933 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,720 doing pretty good on interest rates for 934 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,520 the last few years. Has has that has 935 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,960 that occurred interest been the occurred 936 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,040 interest on that 2.7 million? Uh have we 937 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,200 said it's regulated like relegated to 938 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,630 this project? 939 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,079 » Uh it's it's just interest specific to 940 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,640 fund 47. So not specifically these 941 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,280 funds. I would imagine that it would be 942 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440 a simple ratio of how much the reserve 943 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680 balance uh was made up by that amount 944 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,920 and the interest acred over that period 945 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400 of time. It probably wouldn't wouldn't 946 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880 strike me as a super uh complicated 947 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200 calculation but I agree with that 948 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960 determining that 949 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,599 >> should be considered 950 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,520 >> that uh 951 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,800 I mean quick math says 30k on a million 952 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200 uh holding it our current interest rates 953 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200 we're doing pretty good. uh it's good 954 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,640 for the entire county, but I mean give 955 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,359 or take since 2021, we should have a 956 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:14,640 healthy chunk of that 1.1 million uh 957 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,400 occurred in interest 958 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,160 >> possibly. 959 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,720 >> Send a message 960 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:27,190 >> future consideration there. 961 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,000 » Anybody else? 962 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,320 >> Yep. 963 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,160 >> Go ahead. 964 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,079 >> Thanks. 965 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,240 So you said it was a tap grant. Is this 966 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,599 also part of that hotspot funding? 967 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,560 >> Well, let's see. I I thought it was a 968 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,400 tap grant. It does say this agreement 969 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,640 they've entered into the executable date 970 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,960 between you do 971 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,119 and the local agency. It doesn't specify 972 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,440 the color money 973 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,430 on this. Um 974 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,359 I thought this was part of the Arches hotspot funding right there when 975 00:39:59,359 --> 00:39:59,839 that came. 976 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,920 >> I have read that this contract doesn't 977 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,839 actually specify 978 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,400 um just says cooperative agreement. 979 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,400 >> If you guys can just so we can see if 980 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800 that's that's part of I think my my 981 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,160 understanding was is part of the money 982 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,280 came for the uh uh Moab area transit 983 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,119 shuttle and then part of that hotspot 984 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:18,880 funding was put towards this project 985 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,480 right here. 986 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,280 >> I believe that the 2.7 is specifically 987 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,040 for this project. Um and then it does so 988 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,359 yeah it has a lump sum payment um a 989 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,119 total amount to be paid by UD do for 990 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,160 this project and it does say kind of 991 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,079 prominently any costs over this amount 992 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,599 will be the responsibility of the local 993 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:38,480 agency. 994 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,040 >> Okay. 995 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040 >> So I think it's sort of separate from 996 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,760 any other hotspot funding. 997 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,920 >> Okay. And then so the uh the the 998 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,240 rightway evaluations those would be so 999 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,040 there's four total or is there because 1000 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,119 on the back I was a little bit confused 1001 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,599 on this right here. uh meeting with the 1002 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,599 affected residents, four residents 1003 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,960 requests requested prior to RO uh 1004 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520 appraisals, discussions, negotiations, a 1005 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,200 boundary survey with stakes be 1006 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,599 performed. So there are four total. So 1007 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:13,359 all of the people that that that um that needed to uh fill out a right or 1008 00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,680 need to offer right away, they all they 1009 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,760 all requested the boundary survey. 1010 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,359 >> From what I understand that is the case. 1011 00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:22,640 So the project um footprint was overlaid 1012 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,359 onto properties and where that project 1013 00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:27,440 footprint went outside of county right 1014 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680 away. Um it was determined that there 1015 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,359 were four properties where that was the 1016 00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:35,520 case. Um before rightway 1017 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,440 negotiations could begin. Those property 1018 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,200 owners wanted to know number one where 1019 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,960 is existing property because many of 1020 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,280 them at least two or three of them have 1021 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,880 actually built right up to the edge of 1022 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,560 the road on county property. Um, and I I 1023 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,160 think even a portion of the art bottle 1024 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,640 wall is on on county property. Um, and 1025 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,839 it will remain there um, just slightly. 1026 00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,680 Um, but uh, 1027 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,160 >> so it's historic and then people smile. 1028 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,240 Is that is that because it is actually 1029 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,240 50 years old or 1030 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:04,720 >> question? 1031 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,079 >> Well, no. I mean, I 1032 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,440 >> It's not that old. 1033 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,240 >> I just like like to make sure that we're speaking, you know, correctly 1034 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:10,800 about it. 1035 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,200 >> Yeah. I'm not a Shipo official. 1036 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,839 >> Yeah. I I guess in local war it's 1037 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:18,079 probably historic in in some sense of 1038 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,760 the term but yeah you're correct it 1039 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,920 probably isn't 50 years old 1040 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,000 >> and then just in your opinion looking at 1041 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,119 this so typical rideway takes six to 12 1042 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,560 months. So yeah, from the beginning of 1043 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,599 um once they have the footprint down and 1044 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,760 they have the rideaway plans, then they 1045 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,920 can get appraisals and then the clock 1046 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,880 starts ticking 6 months if if 1047 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,560 negotiations go well up to a year. Um if 1048 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,119 there's back and forth, um I think we're 1049 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,160 probably three three months into that 1050 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,079 already. So, in another 3 months, 1051 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,680 probably at at the longest, um those 1052 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,359 checks would be cut to those property 1053 00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:00,240 owners and then we could um figure out 1054 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,000 we're going to get the 1.1 or put the 1055 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,520 funding package together and then 1056 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640 actually advertise the project perhaps, 1057 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,400 I don't know, September. 1058 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,720 >> September. So, but do you guys still 1059 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,560 think that uh breaking ground in April 1060 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,839 then is reasonable with that? 1061 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,839 Yeah, I don't think we're looking at 1062 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:21,760 more than four to six months of 1063 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,280 construction with all the pipe work 1064 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,880 that's going to go in there, utility 1065 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,040 relocates. Um, if we if we got a 1066 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,359 contractor on board by this fall, that 1067 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:34,160 would put us into the cycling season. 1068 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,560 >> But would we would we hire a contractor 1069 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,119 and would we start breaking ground until 1070 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,960 all of those rideways are filled out? 1071 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,880 >> No. No, we can't we can't even advertise 1072 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,440 it already. 1073 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,720 >> That's what I'm saying. So, we can't 1074 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,440 even advertise for 6 to 12 months. 1075 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,040 possibility that we might not even be 1076 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,760 able to advertise this until next next 1077 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,400 April. 1078 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,920 >> Yeah. And that would be that would be if 1079 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,720 property owns are very uh adverse to any 1080 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,560 kind of acquisition. I think we could 1081 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,520 anticipate that maybe on on the long end 1082 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,079 maybe 1083 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,440 >> and and so you see where my questions 1084 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,760 come in about is is spring of next year 1085 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,359 actually reasonable to clarify. So um 1086 00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:11,359 bullet points the six months isn't 1087 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:12,880 starting now. The six month like we 1088 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,160 already kind of started that clock a few 1089 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,680 months ago. So we're midway through the 1090 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,400 process. So I think with some things 1091 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400 that we expect based on the response 1092 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,760 we've gotten from those property owners 1093 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,119 that it's going to be more on that six 1094 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,960 month timeline in which case we're kind 1095 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,480 of roughly 50% 1096 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,000 >> three more months we're looking for the 1097 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,119 rideway access. 1098 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:29,440 >> Okay. 1099 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,720 >> Yeah. We appreciate you thinking 1100 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,240 conservatively on this end because we 1101 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,680 definitely don't want to overpromise and 1102 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,480 underdel. 1103 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,839 >> I'm just I'm thinking more about the 1104 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,240 timing of it all and how which budget is 1105 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,200 this going to fall under. 1106 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,839 >> Yeah. because I think we're 1107 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,680 >> and and I'm not sure if we're talking 1108 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,680 tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands 1109 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,280 for the right away. 1110 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,319 >> It's 1111 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:50,240 >> can't tell you that. [laughter] 1112 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,920 >> Exactly, but it's on the low end of what 1113 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,079 you just mentioned. 1114 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,440 >> Okay. Great. Well, I'm just trying to 1115 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,880 figure out where we're looking. 1116 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,560 >> And then the last question is is you 1117 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,880 guys mentioned the uh cutting it short 1118 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,640 right there. if it was a uh um you know 1119 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,000 uh depending on the funds that we could 1120 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,079 come up with, does that affect the grant 1121 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,920 right there if we were to cut that short 1122 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,400 from what the original project was? I 1123 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,240 don't think it does because what's been 1124 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,280 stated here is there here's $2.7 million 1125 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,920 to build build a trail. There's there's 1126 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,680 no limits that are specified in this 1127 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,839 grant documentation. 1128 00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,119 >> Thanks, Sean. That's all the questions I 1129 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:25,520 have. 1130 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,040 >> Okay, Mike, go. 1131 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,800 >> I I don't want this time number two. So, 1132 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,480 if anyone else go ahead 1133 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880 >> Okay. Uh, thinking back on Jos and and 1134 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,240 Brian's over here. Uh, wherever it ends, 1135 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,800 I I'm glad to see it getting work on. 1136 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,160 Uh, but, uh, with that, are we already 1137 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,160 looking and this is a shout out to Cody 1138 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,640 back there, too. Um, are we looking at 1139 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440 any more DOT grants? Any other grant 1140 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,200 prop? I know it's not going to make it 1141 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,359 all the way to San Juan County line, but 1142 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:54,640 we want it to 1143 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,319 >> definitely. So, it was mentioned earlier 1144 00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:58,800 today by by staff that perhaps Governor 1145 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040 Cox would be willing to 1146 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,079 increase this just because we're in the 1147 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,280 mood of building a cycle 1148 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,520 multi-use path. So I I don't think it's 1149 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,280 out of the realm of possibility that we 1150 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,599 could maybe out. 1151 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:14,000 >> Okay. 1152 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,839 >> I don't know. I'm not that familiar with 1153 00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:16,240 it. 1154 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,319 >> And in that same notion, I say the San 1155 00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,000 Juan County line. I'd like to go farther 1156 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560 out clear out to the mud springs, but 1157 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960 with that we've been talking to San Juan 1158 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,040 on this. Like I know the speed of 1159 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,240 government 2027 1160 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,000 it's right around the corner, but it's 1161 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,599 not. One thing we have looked at, 1162 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:38,560 Commissioner Cody, is uh Cody has 1163 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,319 demonstrated this past summer his 1164 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:45,359 ability to to maximize road funds by um 1165 00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,200 having a contractor come in and road a 1166 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,040 mill and push those buildings out to the 1167 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,200 shoulders and then pave over the top. 1168 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,319 Um, we have a tab grant that's been 1169 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,160 that's in the works right now to do that 1170 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,920 for another section from the four-way 1171 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,000 stop um north to the end of this 1172 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319 project. And then that would take us all 1173 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:07,040 the way out to the the Beaman Bridge, 1174 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,440 which would only leave from Bean out to 1175 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,280 the Santa County line to to have 1176 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,960 shoulders if that's how we want to go. I 1177 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,119 know that in many people they would like 1178 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,880 to have a detached path all the way out 1179 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:17,440 there, 1180 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,119 >> but in the meantime at least maybe we 1181 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,079 could have shoulders that cyclists and 1182 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,520 walkers, pedestrians. 1183 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,480 >> Thank you for that information with that 1184 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,119 uh that small interconnectivity to uh to 1185 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,119 the city uh to the city trail systems. 1186 00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,920 It's not that far away from where we're 1187 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,800 starting the trail. 1188 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,440 >> Mhm. 1189 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,160 >> To interconnectivity with the city. Has 1190 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,119 the city been approached? And part of 1191 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,200 the conversation on that small gap, I 1192 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,839 mean, it's less than a I mean, it's 200 1193 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:51,359 yards, 300 yards. 1194 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:52,880 >> Yes, that's correct. And we're just in 1195 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,200 the final stages of a safe streets for 1196 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,760 all. 1197 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,160 >> Okay. 1198 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160 >> Effort with Kimley Horn. In fact, Manny 1199 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,960 and I just met with them online remotely 1200 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,920 today to kind of 1201 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040 encapsulize what we've what we've uh put 1202 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,640 together through input sessions out in 1203 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,319 the field and there's a desire to create 1204 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,560 that connected connectivity all the way 1205 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,599 down into town and then up Sand Flat 1206 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:16,880 >> variety of other quarters. I don't know 1207 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,079 if there's anything you would like to 1208 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,480 add with that. Um I think well so the 1209 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,880 city did adopt the updated version of 1210 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,640 that trails master plan too and that 1211 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,400 does have a whole active transportation 1212 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,920 section and a lot of that's focused on 1213 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480 like city uh connectivity. Okay. 1214 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,240 >> So there's also equipment in there that 1215 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,440 they're working with. 1216 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,680 >> Well I I like that we would I mean we're 1217 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,640 interconnected through roads right 1218 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,920 there. I'd like we'd be interconnected 1219 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,960 through trails right there too. So 1220 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,760 >> okay we're going to have Bill and then Jacques and then we're going to 1221 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,760 wrap this up and take them off. I I just 1222 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,839 want to go back to the point of four 1223 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,480 properties, Sean and Maddie, because 1224 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,480 Jacques and I were in a meeting and I 1225 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,680 would have 1226 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,680 >> Well, I don't want to swear, but I 1227 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,079 believe they mentioned 12 or 16 1228 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,400 properties were affected by Rideaway. 1229 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,920 So, I just want to make sure we're not 1230 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,319 missing something here because unless 1231 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:08,160 something's changed, that number was a 1232 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,559 lot higher than four that were affected 1233 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:11,200 previously. 1234 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,480 >> I remember that meeting. In fact, I 1235 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,599 might have been the one that made that 1236 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,480 statement. might have been um based off 1237 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,559 of an old project footprint line and 1238 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,400 which would explain the fact that 1239 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,559 originally we we thought that the the 1240 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,920 bottle wall was going to have to come 1241 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,480 out. 1242 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,119 >> Okay. 1243 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:28,960 >> So, I I believe David Riddle, the 1244 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,240 project designer, went back and 1245 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:31,680 tightened that design up a little bit. 1246 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,359 I'll verify that with him online because 1247 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:34,800 we don't want to we didn't want to get 1248 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,800 to the the commissioner meeting on the 1249 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,520 21st and and approved 1250 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,079 cost for 1251 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,319 >> I'm good. I just I remember a lot larger 1252 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:47,190 number. That's all. 1253 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,319 Great. Yeah, I was going to ask the same 1254 00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:49,359 thing as Bill because I do remember that 1255 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:52,160 from that meeting as well. But also um 1256 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,920 uh 1257 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,280 you know with with lack of funding, I 1258 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,200 know there was the um the UD do 1259 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,960 alternative transportation initiative 1260 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,800 that that created a huge pot of money 1261 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,440 for projects and they are even spending 1262 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,119 $12 million to close a 58 mile gap. 1263 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:08,640 >> This would be considerably longer than 1264 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,400 that and probably more useful to more 1265 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,920 locals although that gap was definitely 1266 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,000 needed. um if that's a potential source 1267 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,240 that would be fantastic. But then also I 1268 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,240 wanted to point out just getting it up 1269 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,920 to I think a royal crossing to me would 1270 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,440 be a huge win because there's so many 1271 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,880 people in that community and I know a 1272 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,960 lot of them have approached me that that 1273 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,040 like to commute into town by bike or 1274 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,480 ebike or or some alternative source. And 1275 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,119 I also wanted to the the should the 1276 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,640 shoulders are incredible. Hawaii. As 1277 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,079 someone who rides that road all the 1278 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,839 time, just the the work that the roads 1279 00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:42,559 department's done recently has been very 1280 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,400 appreciated. It's it's a lot smoother. 1281 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,520 It's wider. It gives you a little bit 1282 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,599 more buffer between cars and and and 1283 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:51,040 I've definitely had citizens say that 1284 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,160 they appreciate the work that's done. So 1285 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,920 it in light of that, I mean, even if we 1286 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,200 can't get all the way to where we want 1287 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040 to now, continuing to do that sort of 1288 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,760 work is is very much noticed, very much 1289 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,319 appreciated, and and super useful. So I 1290 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,559 think oh and also the San Juan piece 1291 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:07,760 back in the day when we were talking 1292 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,520 about this four or five years ago I know 1293 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680 when Elaine was working at San in in San 1294 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480 Juan County uh Elaine and both both Lane 1295 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,240 and Mac had expressed um a strong desire 1296 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,200 to once that path gets pushed out to the 1297 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,440 San Juan County line to continue it down 1298 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,119 to Mud Springs area and also to provide 1299 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,000 more access to to those um developments 1300 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,839 that are currently being worked on in 1301 00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:31,359 San Juan County too. So I think I think 1302 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:32,720 there can definitely be an appetite down 1303 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,280 there and Obviously, we've had good 1304 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,559 collaboration with them on things like 1305 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,800 Mudspring, so that's that'd be a that'd 1306 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,400 be a great addition to the whole 1307 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,839 project. 1308 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:42,720 >> Thanks. 1309 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,800 >> Yeah. Okay. 1310 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,440 >> Thank you very much. Thanks, Cody, too. 1311 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,480 >> Thank you, Cody. 1312 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,319 >> I wasn't in the hot seat. [laughter] 1313 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:51,920 >> The hot seat. I still got the kudos. 1314 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,359 >> And it is so appreciated. So much safer 1315 00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:00,390 when we have those shoulders. 1316 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,319 » Okay. 1317 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,760 We appreciate the update. I know that 1318 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,760 everyone's been everyone's excited for 1319 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,920 that to happen. 1320 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,440 Our next um is general business. So, I 1321 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,040 think that Jared from Cloud City is 1322 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,319 going to be on in about 5 minutes. So, 1323 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:18,079 we'll run through our um 1324 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:19,760 general business action item consent. 1325 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,599 We'll start with just commission member 1326 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,520 disclosures and future considerations. 1327 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,720 Go ahead, Mike. 1328 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,640 >> Uh my wife works for the sheriff's 1329 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,790 department. 1330 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,000 My son works for Sandlast and for future 1331 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,280 consideration, I would uh really like to 1332 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,079 look at the policies and if we have any 1333 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:43,359 policies and thoughts on when a 1334 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:47,440 commissioner represents the county on a 1335 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,640 board to if they what's the policy as 1336 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,520 far as if the county commission has 1337 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,200 taken a vote on something 1338 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,240 should that commissioner follow suit and 1339 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,800 represent the county as the commission 1340 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,599 voted. 1341 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,839 >> I think that's uh something we need to 1342 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,359 clarify. 1343 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:12,400 >> I'm a little confused what you're 1344 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,599 asking, but we are working on those 1345 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,920 policies and procedures for the county 1346 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,000 commission and so those will come before 1347 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,559 us all probably in a workshop. I know 1348 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,000 admin has been working on cleaning them 1349 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,880 up and then get those out for people to 1350 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,800 comment on and so we can look at that. 1351 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,359 >> You're doing rolling your eyes, Stephen. 1352 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,200 >> Not rolling my not rolling. I'm trying 1353 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000 to figure out. So are are you asking in 1354 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,839 the context of the ability for a 1355 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:42,559 commissioner to speak in general or at a meeting? For example, if I'm at the 1356 00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:43,200 under 1357 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,400 >> if if the if the commission voted on a a 1358 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,200 certain way. 1359 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,920 >> Sure. and then in a different meeting 1360 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,319 that they are representing the county, 1361 00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,480 they don't follow suit and vote the way 1362 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,079 the commission did. 1363 00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,839 >> Uh what's I mean I always thought that 1364 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:01,200 was necessary. 1365 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,680 >> I I that was the assumption I've worked 1366 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,720 under for 12 years is that if it's voted 1367 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,920 on by the commission, that's how you 1368 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,760 proceed. Commissioner should always 1369 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,400 represent that the body or the majority 1370 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,319 if there has been a path that has been 1371 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:18,000 taken by the majority of the commission 1372 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,040 they should make it very clear where 1373 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,440 their uh it's like when when any 1374 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,960 commission writes the newspaper they 1375 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,160 make that clear that that's their 1376 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,720 position but if say for example on this 1377 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,319 bike on this path let's say the 1378 00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:32,160 commission voted for it to go out to a 1379 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,920 certain distance it's really important 1380 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,440 for commissioners to make it clear that 1381 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,119 that's what the commission majority did 1382 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:38,880 or that's what the county is doing and 1383 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,920 not to confuse the you um and I think 1384 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,079 >> well it uh and I you know I think Bale 1385 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,680 probably knows what I'm concerned about 1386 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,880 is that we voted support to support 1387 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,280 >> okay 1388 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,079 >> the water tank and then it was turned 1389 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,240 down and Bale voted to turn it down even 1390 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,559 though we as a commission sent a letter 1391 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:57,920 of support 1392 00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:58,640 >> okay if 1393 00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,839 >> and that concerns me 1394 00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:01,280 >> yeah if you want to send me an email 1395 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,040 with additional information and include 1396 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,520 the chair as well um I'm I'm happy to 1397 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,599 provide the two cents here of course you 1398 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,480 folks can always put agenda items 1399 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,800 we have a a nice thing to discuss at a 1400 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,359 future consideration so that it's just 1401 00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,040 really clear. 1402 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:17,599 >> Thank you. 1403 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,119 Mary. And Trish, 1404 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,800 >> I would just ask once you guys have 1405 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,400 those and you send them out. You give us 1406 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,599 a couple weeks. Yeah. 1407 00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:24,960 >> Okay. Yeah. I don't I don't want to be 1408 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,240 given a couple days. No, 1409 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,760 >> if that's okay. Okay. 1410 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,440 >> I'm going to look at them first and he's 1411 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,480 going to look at them and then we're 1412 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,240 going to send them out to everybody 1413 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,839 >> so that they can look at them and 1414 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:35,200 comment and then we will bring them back 1415 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,480 in discuss them before they're voted on. 1416 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,480 you know, they it's a process and that's 1417 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,880 been super helpful to have um admin kind 1418 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,280 of take the lead just cleaning them up 1419 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,640 at first. 1420 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,079 >> Okay. Anybody else for the commission? 1421 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:51,599 >> Right. 1422 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,359 >> Yeah. I just wanted to bring up um 1423 00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:56,799 possibility of creating a policy for the 1424 00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:00,240 county's priorities for CDBG funding. I 1425 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:01,839 think right now we kind of wait for 1426 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:03,440 everybody to come up to us and there 1427 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,000 hasn't been any future forethought of 1428 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,520 actually where we want to see those 1429 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,520 project or that that project money going 1430 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,119 and I think that would it would do the 1431 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,680 county well to have to have that funding 1432 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:22,309 planned for in the next 5 to 10 years 1433 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,000 » are we doing future considerations 1434 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,000 >> we are doing okay 1435 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,799 >> and future 1436 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:28,799 >> yeah they're together and then we'll if 1437 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,319 Jared gets online we'll go that I'll 1438 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:31,520 keep on moving along. So, 1439 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,799 >> okay. Um, may I ask um, Commissioner, 1440 00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:37,119 are you guys going to do a pre tell us a 1441 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,440 little bit about your DC trip today? 1442 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,280 >> Because I did ask for that in the last 1443 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,040 future considerations. Are you guys 1444 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,960 going to do that today? And if not, then 1445 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640 I'll just ask that it be in the next 1446 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,670 week. 1447 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,119 » Brian had his report online. I know I 1448 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,200 would I would like you guys to verbally 1449 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,520 give us just a brief description just 1450 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,520 because it's such a it's such a big deal 1451 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,839 for the community and you were there 1452 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:03,440 representing Gra County and I think it'd 1453 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,359 be great to do a five minute 1454 00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,200 presentation on here's who we met with 1455 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,200 here's what we were advocating for. 1456 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,359 >> It's what we've done so what I always 1457 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:12,799 do. 1458 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:15,440 >> So if not tonight maybe that would be my 1459 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,434 ask for future considerations. 1460 00:57:19,444 --> 00:57:20,000 [clears throat] 1461 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,920 >> Sorry I missed. Thank you. 1462 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,640 >> Oh, yeah. I guess I can't take him do 1463 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,920 it. 1464 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,720 >> All right. 1465 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,520 >> Oh, hold on. 1466 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:27,920 >> Let's go. 1467 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,160 >> How much time do you have? [laughter] 1468 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,079 >> I'm just I got to look it up cuz I don't 1469 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,559 have my notes in front of me right now. 1470 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,559 >> Well, we have it. If you find it and you 1471 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:37,760 want to do it at the end of the meeting, 1472 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,200 Brian, we can do that. 1473 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,640 >> That That's fine. I got no problem. 1474 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,480 >> We can do it next meeting, too. 1475 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,760 >> Just finding my notes real quick and 1476 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,119 going through them. 1477 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:46,559 >> All right. Well, let's do the consent 1478 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,079 agenda. So we have a is approval of 1479 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:50,400 meeting 1480 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,720 >> be in that meeting that we gave them to 1481 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,079 Dana Brian um because she uploaded all 1482 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:57,839 of our notes in that meeting. 1483 00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,040 >> Yeah, sounds great. 1484 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,640 >> And it could, you know, this is a long 1485 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,559 meeting. 1486 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:03,760 >> No, let's go ahead and do it. Let's put 1487 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,880 at the end of the meeting. I got no 1488 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,240 problem. 1489 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,040 >> Okay, so the approval of consent agenda 1490 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,400 items A is approval minutes. You guys be 1491 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,990 quiet. Hey. [laughter] 1492 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,920 » Okay. B ratification of payment of 1493 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,670 bills. Total bills of 1,87,7169. 1494 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,870 Total payroll is $443,799.90 1495 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,640 with total bills and payroll being 1496 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:36,069 1,531,51659. 1497 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,240 C is a ratification of local consent for 1498 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,680 an alcohol license at the Moco Hotel. D. 1499 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,520 ratification of local consent for 1500 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,520 hotel liquor license at Spring Hill 1501 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,640 Suites. E ratification of local consent 1502 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,040 for special event beer license cruise 1503 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,640 2026. 1504 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,680 F ratification ofou for senior companion 1505 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,720 program. G is opioid settlement 1506 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,920 agreement. H is consulting party status 1507 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,920 with the Bureau of Land Management for 1508 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,799 quarter 3 2026 oil and gas leases sale 1509 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:09,599 in Grand County. I is approval of 1510 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,160 purchase of the EOC furniture for 1511 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,319 emergency management. 1512 00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:18,000 J approval of mob office tourism's 1513 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,400 use of for special event marketing 1514 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,040 grants. K Crescent Junction 1515 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,599 rehabilitation and armor armor coat 1516 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,880 project and L is a consideration of 1517 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,200 active transportation cooperative 1518 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,720 agreement with the Utah Department of 1519 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,880 Transportation. 1520 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:35,760 >> Mike. 1521 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,280 >> Uh so moved. Okay. Second. 1522 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,559 >> Second. All right. All in favor? That 1523 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,359 passes the six and one absent. 1524 00:59:45,359 --> 01:00:01,910 Commissioner Winfield. 1525 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,359 All right. So, we will go ahead and move 1526 01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,280 on to number five, which is the 1527 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,960 appointment of midterm vacancy on the 1528 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,799 Grand County EMS Special Service 1529 01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:11,119 District Board. And I'm the liazison for 1530 01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,920 that board. And we did have quite a few 1531 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,920 applicants and it was um made a motion 1532 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240 for Cassidy Davis to be on that board 1533 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,640 and it was approved 1534 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,640 uh 1535 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,799 six to one 1536 01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:28,880 to recommend her. Do you mind if I ask 1537 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:29,920 you a question? Go ahead. 1538 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000 >> Or or are you done? Yeah, that's all. 1539 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,440 >> I might have cut you [laughter] off. Go 1540 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,559 ahead. You could have a lot of 1541 01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,400 applicants. So, can And you're so much 1542 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,839 better than watching. I didn't watch the 1543 01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:39,920 meeting. So, um can you just give me a 1544 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,040 brief like um why you chose that 1545 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,760 candidate over the others? Just a just 1546 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,119 kind of summary of that. 1547 01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,720 >> Okay. Yeah. The conversation that was 1548 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,559 leading up to that. So, one of the gals 1549 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:54,079 was a prior EMT and that um was 1550 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:55,280 commented that that would be really 1551 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,680 great to have somebody that had been in 1552 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,880 that, you know, even though we have 1553 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,720 Jason and I both are on that board and 1554 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,640 we both have been EMTs. So, I think we 1555 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,319 kind of are we have that cover but not 1556 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,720 as as currently as this girl 1557 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,280 >> lady. Um [clears throat] and then 1558 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,559 Cassidy and Jordan were both on there 1559 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:16,000 and they are they it's kind of their 1560 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,839 first stint at boards. It kind of seemed 1561 01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:18,960 like that maybe they were just getting 1562 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,880 involved with some local government. We 1563 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,359 had Chris Marsh as well who's very 1564 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,520 involved in the community and great and 1565 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,920 then um 1566 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,760 I have his name is Terry. 1567 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,079 >> Yeah, Terry. Terry and he's you know 1568 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,160 he's was EMT back in the day as well. 1569 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,599 He's got a lot of great it was all 1570 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:36,480 great. They were all really great 1571 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,920 applicants. I think that 1572 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,680 >> some of the ideas was one of the things 1573 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,760 that EMS hasn't had on their board is 1574 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,640 someone that's really good with 1575 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,079 finances. Oh. 1576 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,599 >> Um, it's like when we go through our 1577 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,760 checklist of from the auditor's office, 1578 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,160 like that's always a big fat zero. 1579 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:50,720 >> Okay. 1580 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,319 >> Because we don't have and it's supposed 1581 01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,160 to be like a CPA or something on that 1582 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,640 board. But, um, both Cassidy, you know, 1583 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,079 my comments were both that Cassidy and 1584 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,119 Jordan both work on Financial World. And 1585 01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:02,640 anyways, Jason Taylor ended up making 1586 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,559 the motion. I seconded. And all in 1587 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:05,920 favor, 1588 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:06,319 >> thank you. 1589 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:07,760 >> That's how Thanks for giving me the 1590 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,440 second. 1591 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,640 >> They all would have been great. 1592 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,079 >> Awesome. Okay, good. 1593 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,197 >> All right. So we go ahead 1594 01:02:14,197 --> 01:02:14,720 [clears throat] Mike. 1595 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,799 >> Happy to see so many applicants. But uh 1596 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:18,400 with that I move to approve Cassidy 1597 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,720 Davis to the midterm vacancy on the 1598 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,319 Grand County EMS Special Service 1599 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,559 District to the remainder of the term 1600 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,000 ending 1231 2022. 1601 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,440 >> Second. 1602 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,280 >> I think Mary Beach are there. So we got 1603 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,319 Mike and Mary. Any other comments, 1604 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,480 questions? All right. Let's go ahead and 1605 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,119 call for a vote. Those in favor 1606 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:44,630 that passes. 70. 1607 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,880 And 1608 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,319 number six, consideration of mud springs 1609 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,280 2 downhill trail design. And this would 1610 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,839 be Quinn Hall is going to talk about 1611 01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:57,119 this. Or we can have Bill talk about 1612 01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:58,240 this. 1613 01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,520 >> Either way, Bill's familiar with it. 1614 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,720 Maddy's familiar with it. I'm familiar 1615 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:01,119 with it. 1616 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:01,920 >> Oh, good way. 1617 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,520 >> Let's Maddie, if you want to cop, do you 1618 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,000 have your laptop when you're ready? 1619 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,599 Chat about it. Thank you. Love talking 1620 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:09,520 about M Springs. 1621 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,040 Uh so we've been in the process of 1622 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,400 completing the trails at Bud Springs, 1623 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,559 both phase one and phase two. The phase 1624 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,640 two dollars we're trying to kind of 1625 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,760 guard a reserve for shifting to complete 1626 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,720 the road into phase one. Um in order to 1627 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,480 keep phase 2 on track, we need to get 1628 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,400 those trails designed and start NEPA on 1629 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,799 those trails. And so we'd like to not 1630 01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,640 spend that phase 2 money in the hopes of 1631 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,799 kind of preserving it for those roads. 1632 01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:38,480 And we need $5,000 in order to or $4950. 1633 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,119 Is that right? 1634 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:39,440 >> Yeah. 1635 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,599 >> To get dirt, who designed phase one, to 1636 01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:42,960 design the trails in phase 2 and then 1637 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,599 that will keep that project on track. Um 1638 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:46,880 I spoke to a couple commissioners about 1639 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,200 this and the suggestion was to advocate 1640 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,240 for this coming out of commission 1641 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,440 discretion if you guys are okay with 1642 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,349 that. So that's 1643 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:58,640 » I'll I'll add just a little bit. Um, I 1644 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,079 was the one that made the suggestion 1645 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,240 pull it out of discretionary, 1646 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,799 but the reason that we do not want to 1647 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:08,880 tap into the phase 2 funds is because 1648 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,839 Patrick is making sure that we can 1649 01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:13,839 utilize some of those funds towards the 1650 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:16,640 road. And if we start spending out of 1651 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,440 those funds ahead of that, it might 1652 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,400 dedicate the entire amount to not to 1653 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,160 where there would not be any use for the 1654 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,799 road system. And I'm not sure if 1655 01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:28,880 everybody's aware, but we've got some 1656 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,839 bike trails with no access. And so until 1657 01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,640 we can get those roads built in there, 1658 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,720 they're not going to be usable by the 1659 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,240 bike teams. Um Nika, I think that's the 1660 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,480 >> Yeah, it's the it's accessible now, but 1661 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,039 the the turnoff is dangerous. and the 1662 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,960 races that are planned for the NIFA 1663 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,720 season, which are on the uh 12th and 1664 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,799 26th of September, um are in danger if 1665 01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:55,839 we don't do a dedicated turnoff lane. 1666 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:00,799 And what you do is looking at is is the packet cut off turnoff. It has it 1667 01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:03,119 has uh exit lanes and they're going to 1668 01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:04,559 improve the dirt road out to that. So 1669 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:05,920 that's that's the plan and the funds 1670 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,480 that are in phase two need to be used 1671 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,160 for that in order to keep everything 1672 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,839 rolling with the with the Nika season 1673 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:15,039 which is a huge benefit to the whole 1674 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,400 community as well as 1675 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,599 >> totally you know bike community as well 1676 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,359 as those folks in San Juan and 1677 01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,119 everywhere else. So I I'm in agreement 1678 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:22,799 with Bill on this for sure. 1679 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:24,799 >> Maddie um just to add a little context 1680 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:26,559 to so we have phase [clears throat] one 1681 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,359 and phase two of springs. So phase one 1682 01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:31,200 we started building last fall. We have 1683 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,039 seven miles of trail roughly on the 1684 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,920 ground. And then this fall we're doing 1685 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,920 part two of phase one, whatever you want 1686 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,200 to call that. So, we're going to put 1687 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,640 about three and a half more miles of 1688 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,720 trail and that will complete phase one. 1689 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,720 Um, and then phase two is going to we're 1690 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,319 still in the NEPA process, so nothing's 1691 01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:48,000 been approved. Um, we don't have any 1692 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,039 final approved concept lines by the BLM, 1693 01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:52,640 but it's going to be hopefully between 1694 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,799 10 and 15 miles of additional trails. 1695 01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:57,520 and it's going to be um phase one is 1696 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:58,799 kind of like the core of the trail 1697 01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,799 system and includes that NIKA course 1698 01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:02,640 that the community's been really excited 1699 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,720 about for a long time and then phase two 1700 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,559 has kind of adds um more a whole other 1701 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,400 area to that and includes more of the 1702 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,400 advanced trails too. So the ones that 1703 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,720 specifically we want to design out of 1704 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,920 house because we usually design them 1705 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,920 inhouse are downhill gravity trails 1706 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,599 which we just don't really have in our 1707 01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:23,200 region. So, it's kind of a um would be 1708 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,720 great for us to have because it's it 1709 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,200 would be like a new kind of type of uh 1710 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,440 recreation in this area and then it's 1711 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,440 also something that we yeah want to um 1712 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,200 since hopefully there's funding we want 1713 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,799 to use a consultant just so we can make 1714 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:36,880 sure we get the best product. 1715 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,359 >> Great. Thank you. Mike had his hand up 1716 01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:42,319 first. Go ahead, Mike. 1717 01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:44,240 I'd like to move to authorize Mud 1718 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,240 Springs phase 2 downhill trail design 1719 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,280 with a fiscal impact of $4,950 1720 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,599 to be t taken from discretionary 1721 01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,400 commission discretionary fund. 1722 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,319 >> Second it. Okay, second. And then Brian 1723 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:59,440 had us signed up to speak and then Mary. 1724 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,119 >> Yeah. No, I'm real excited about these 1725 01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,640 trails and just just a couple things. 1726 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,079 So, first off for the public, when did 1727 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:05,760 the trails open up? 1728 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,680 >> Oh, uh, so we did a soft opening this 1729 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,880 past fall. Mhm. 1730 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,079 >> Um they were open for um just about 2 1731 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:13,440 weeks, which is why we didn't do a grand 1732 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,720 opening because there is a winter 1733 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,799 closure. So we didn't want to advertise 1734 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:18,559 to the world and then have people arrive 1735 01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,520 for a closure. Um but they reopen on 1736 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,119 April 16th. 1737 01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:24,671 >> Perfect. Just so folks know that the 1738 01:07:24,671 --> 01:07:25,680 [clears throat] arms yet 1739 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,280 >> and they're really fun. 1740 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,359 >> And then second off, just uh uh just a 1741 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:30,720 more technical question. Have you guys 1742 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,119 worked things out with Shipo yet? 1743 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,880 >> Um for the um PCC walls, 1744 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,359 >> correct? Yes. The roads the roads have 1745 01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:42,400 been cleared. We have 1746 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,720 >> Todd Deair, I believe that's his name 1747 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,640 down there is going to start. He's given 1748 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,559 a date when he thinks he can start on 1749 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:50,319 that. I don't remember what it is, but 1750 01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:52,559 the parking lots have not been cleared 1751 01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,400 yet. Just the road system. 1752 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:55,839 >> Okay, great. Thank you. 1753 01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:57,920 >> Okay, Mary, go ahead. 1754 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,160 >> Gabe, this is a question for you. If we 1755 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,039 take that uh $4,950 1756 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,520 out of discretionary fund, well, how 1757 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:06,799 much will that leave us in our 1758 01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:09,990 discretionary? 1759 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,599 » I can answer that for you if you don't 1760 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:12,880 want to be here, 1761 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,599 >> please. 1762 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:17,279 >> So, we've only allocated $5,000 for that 1763 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,600 grant that Trish put in for the archery 1764 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,960 range out of. So, I think we had $40,000 1765 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,040 budgeted in a discretionary. So, that 1766 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,199 would put us right about $30,000. 1767 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:27,520 >> Thank you. 1768 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,440 >> Right. And if I don't get the grant then 1769 01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:31,279 >> Yeah. And she didn't get the grant. So 1770 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,759 if I don't get it then 1771 01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:35,279 $10,000. 1772 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:36,960 >> Thank you. Thank you, Melody. 1773 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,520 >> Yeah. Appreciate it. 1774 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,799 >> Just because I already asked that 1775 01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:41,120 question. [laughter] 1776 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,520 >> All right. Go ahead, Mike. 1777 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,440 >> I I don't know if everyone heard that. 1778 01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,279 And everyone online, I hope heard that. 1779 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,560 would be April 16th that the trails 1780 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,040 are to be actively used. 1781 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,159 >> April 16th. Shameless plug. One more 1782 01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:57,759 time. I'm really happy for these trails 1783 01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:00,000 to uh be out there. So, can't wait to 1784 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,359 use them myself. 1785 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,279 >> Okay. So, let's go ahead. Any more 1786 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,560 questions, comments? We're going to call 1787 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,640 for a vote. 1788 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,000 So, all in favor of Metro's trail design 1789 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,719 out of commissioner discretionary. Okay. 1790 01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:17,040 Thank you. Six one dock. 1791 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,799 >> If he makes a second, can he be gone 1792 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:20,799 during the vote? 1793 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:22,799 >> Tech. Technically, whenever a vote is 1794 01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,319 called originally, he's not supposed to 1795 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,847 leave the chambers. 1796 01:09:25,847 --> 01:09:26,480 >> [laughter] 1797 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:27,839 >> But I need to [clears throat] see that 1798 01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:29,679 you know once once there is a motion 1799 01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,279 before commissioners are supposed to 1800 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,040 remain where they're seated. 1801 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,120 >> So just a reminder that when we have a a 1802 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,960 motion on the table that we have to stay 1803 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,679 seated to call for the vote but okay 1804 01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:42,960 well he was he's absent anyways. 1805 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:43,279 >> Thank you. 1806 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,120 >> We know where John and then I think 1807 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,600 we're going to move on to um our 1808 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,640 presenters online. Jared with seated. 1809 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,359 So, we're going to stop at item number 1810 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,440 seven and we're going to go back to the 1811 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,760 beginning of our agenda where we had 1812 01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,520 presentations and we're going to do the 1813 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,440 cloud seating updates from Jared Smith 1814 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,960 with Green Maker Technologies. 1815 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,000 >> Hello everyone. Sorry I was late. Uh, 1816 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,960 can you hear me? Okay, 1817 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,480 >> perfect. I'm going to share my screen 1818 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:15,040 real quick. Oh, I cannot share screen. 1819 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,110 >> I'll fix that. 1820 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,600 So, I just want to give a quick update 1821 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,120 on the cloud seating program. Um, both 1822 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,440 kind of in your program specifically and 1823 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:31,360 then across uh just our operations. 1824 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,840 As uh we kind of previously discussed, 1825 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,800 we're using new technologies and really 1826 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,159 working hard to produce much more uh 1827 01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:44,239 reliable validation for proof of effect. 1828 01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:45,840 >> Can I share now? 1829 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,560 >> Share now. 1830 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,600 >> There we go. Okay. 1831 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,280 So, I will share some of those results 1832 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,560 with you really quickly. Okay. Can you 1833 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,800 see the slide? 1834 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:55,600 >> Yes. 1835 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,800 >> Okay. Perfect. So, really quick uh brief 1836 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,040 reminder, cloud seed, the way it works, 1837 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,120 you introduce these particles into the 1838 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,400 cloud that basically help water droplets 1839 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,920 that are below freezing temperatures 1840 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,040 turn into ice crystals uh earlier, which 1841 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,280 then helps them fall out of the cloud as 1842 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,520 a snowflake onto, you know, some sort of 1843 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,239 area that you're targeting. 1844 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,880 Um in you, you know, we have operations 1845 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,280 across all of Utah. specifically your 1846 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,600 program is focused on the Lasal Mountain 1847 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,840 range and then also the Abaho because 1848 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,679 it's uh shared funding. Um 1849 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,080 let's see I can skip the different 1850 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,679 technologies that have been used. These 1851 01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:38,000 are the drones we're using for our 1852 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,480 operations. Uh they weigh about 55 1853 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,440 pounds. They go up 15,000 feet and 1854 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,000 sustain icing conditions. So um 1855 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,320 what I would say is 1856 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,840 historically cloud scene the way it's 1857 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,400 been proven to work has been using these 1858 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,679 statistical validations that uh compare 1859 01:11:57,679 --> 01:11:59,760 multiple locations and see how the 1860 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,199 relationship changes between those 1861 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,679 locations over a winter snow pack when 1862 01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,159 you start to see one and not the other. 1863 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:08,159 um 1864 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:09,679 they have some inherent challenges if 1865 01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:12,219 you talk to scientists. Uh 1866 01:12:12,219 --> 01:12:13,520 [clears throat] just the nature of all 1867 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,560 statistical analysis there's challenges. 1868 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,360 Um primarily the sample size getting 1869 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,760 enough samples to make anything mean 1870 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,199 anything. Um so this is you know what 1871 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,040 cloud has used in the past. It's really 1872 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,040 hard and we are working on doing a 1873 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,400 different form of validation which is 1874 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,679 called physical validation. So, where 1875 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:39,440 that came from is this came from uh a 1876 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:40,880 research project called the Snowy 1877 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,719 Campaign in Idaho where they flew an 1878 01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:48,480 airplane and zigzagged out cloud seating 1879 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,480 uh with the goal of being able to see 1880 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,760 zigzags in the natural weather to see 1881 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920 that they were having an actual man-made 1882 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,400 effect on the precipitation. So really 1883 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,920 briefly, you can see the zigzags that 1884 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,600 they picked up in the storms as they 1885 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,199 seated. Um this is the first time they 1886 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,440 ever showed cloud seating having an 1887 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,960 effect in an individual storm um 1888 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,840 anywhere. So this is really big in 2017 1889 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,280 and this is the basis for our company's 1890 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,120 efforts for validation is to basically 1891 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,199 duplicate this. Now, this research 1892 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,120 campaign, they operated a whole winter 1893 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,280 and they picked up three what are called 1894 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,280 seating signatures. 1895 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,480 Um, and 1896 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,120 so far, 1897 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,840 uh, we've picked up about 70 seating 1898 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:46,640 signatures across all our operations in Utah and Idaho. Um, so I I'll kind of 1899 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,360 skip some of this stuff, how we do it, 1900 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,800 uh, but I will show you some of the 1901 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,520 results. So, this is an Idaho. Uh you 1902 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,840 can see 1903 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,040 these loops where you can see this we're 1904 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,199 seating up here 1905 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,159 and so you can see that uh there's these 1906 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:08,239 kind of pulsing sets of precipitation 1907 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:10,800 directly downwind uh following kind of 1908 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,320 the the plume flow from our seating. Um 1909 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,880 so that's there the Lasal Mountains. We 1910 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,320 actually were very surprised that we got 1911 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,840 a seating signature in the Lasal 1912 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,760 Mountain Range because the radar from 1913 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,080 Grand Junction. so far away. But this 1914 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,920 was uh really exciting for us. Now, the 1915 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,600 targeting 1916 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,440 needs to be improved from this 1917 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:30,719 operation. I was a little disappointed 1918 01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:32,960 that it fell a little bit too far to the 1919 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,800 east, the precipitation at least that we 1920 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,480 identified from radar. So, we're seating 1921 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,640 up here. Um 1922 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,360 but you can see these pulses of 1923 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,320 precipitation that track. So, you kind 1924 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,159 of just have to trust us that we we are 1925 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:50,320 running uh a particle dispersion 1926 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,480 analysis to track the dispersion of the 1927 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,880 material that we're deploying in these 1928 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,120 storms. So, we can track it uh and 1929 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:03,440 colllocate it with the radar. And so, um 1930 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,120 it may not be appreciated, but this is 1931 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,080 actually a really big deal 1932 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,159 scientifically for proving man-made 1933 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,199 precipitation. Um and we got this right 1934 01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:15,360 in your own in your backyard. So, uh, 1935 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,560 you know, targeting needs to be 1936 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,239 improved, which we have already started 1937 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:19,840 to adapt to do that. We've gotten 1938 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,120 permission from the Bureau of Land 1939 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,239 Management to use 1940 01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,040 basically all of their land for uh, 1941 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,719 cloud seating, which really has opened 1942 01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:31,120 up our opportunities for targeting and 1943 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,040 improving, you know, where that snow is 1944 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,159 going to fall out. It's such a small 1945 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,960 mountain range, it is hard. Uh but that 1946 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,880 is an advantage of the drones is that we 1947 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,440 actually can adapt and target better 1948 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,480 than historical uh groundbased cloud 1949 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,800 seating systems. 1950 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,080 And yeah, I mean I can show other cases 1951 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,480 where we've we've done it. This was in 1952 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,159 uh 1953 01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,719 this is in Oregon. You can see we're 1954 01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:59,040 seeing from over here. 1955 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,600 Radar's a little better over here. You 1956 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,480 can see that our pulsing plumes are 1957 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,280 tracking with the precipitation. 1958 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,239 Um, and then we're we're actively 1959 01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:11,920 working on, so this is another case in 1960 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,280 Oregon. That's kind of our research 1961 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,360 place. We're actively working on taking 1962 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,640 our radar seating signatures and then 1963 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,880 being able to calculate the 1964 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040 precipitation over a surface area so we 1965 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,600 can actually tell you how many acre feet 1966 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,960 we induced in that specific storm in an 1967 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,760 area. Um, 1968 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,222 so 1969 01:16:34,222 --> 01:16:36,400 [sighs] that's kind of the update. Here 1970 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,080 is a satellite. You can see a satellite 1971 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,920 view. This is actually this hole in the 1972 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,360 cloud. I don't know if you can see it 1973 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,080 from your screen, but that's basically 1974 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,440 you can see where that cloud actually 1975 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,679 turned to precipitation and fell out 1976 01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:52,400 onto the ground. So, um, 1977 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,440 yeah, that's big improvements, big uh 1978 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:59,440 big progress. Um, we've operated, it's 1979 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,520 been really a terrible winter, honestly, 1980 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,760 across the West, as I'm sure you know. 1981 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,280 Uh, very warm, but we've operated 12 1982 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,560 times. Um, well, we we've flown in 1983 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,000 operations 12 times. We've come down 1984 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,600 more than that, but the storms ended up 1985 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,719 not working out or it was too warm. Um, 1986 01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:18,400 nine of those targeting the Lasal 1987 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:19,440 Mountain Range and three of those 1988 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,360 targeting the Abahos. 1989 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,040 uh the funding mix uh in working with uh 1990 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,239 Grand Water and Sewer Agency is um 1991 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,800 targeting about 30% 1992 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:36,560 uh effect on the Abaho Mountains and 70% 1993 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,640 towards the Las Mountains based off of 1994 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,640 the funding breakdown. 1995 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,800 Um sorry, I know that was fast. I was 1996 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,800 told I had five minutes. So if there's 1997 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,840 any questions, feel free to ask. 1998 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,920 questions. Go ahead, Trish. 1999 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,640 >> I don't think my questions I guess, you 2000 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,040 know, when we when we did fund this, um 2001 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,920 I don't know if we knew what the other 2002 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,080 contributions were going to be. So, can 2003 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,239 you Brian, maybe you know, do you know 2004 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,640 who else contributed to this? I know we 2005 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,080 gave 10,000. Is that correct? 2006 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,400 >> Yep, we gave 10,000. San Juan gave 2007 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,000 10,000. Oh, good, good, good, good. 2008 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,159 >> I believe. And then I think at San Juan 2009 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,000 Water Conservancy gave us some money. 2010 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,120 Okay. And then gave 10,000 as well. 2011 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:19,760 >> Oh, awesome. 2012 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,080 >> The city of Moab stiffed us 2013 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,520 >> and uh uh Oh, no. Ended up not coming 2014 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:26,880 into the to the table. I mean, let's 2015 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,480 just be honest about it. I think that 2016 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,320 there was a handshake agreement. It was 2017 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,480 kind of a last minute thing um that they 2018 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:33,840 were going to come in and join us, but 2019 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,320 they they ended up not paying. Lissa, I 2020 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,320 believe, ended up taking up that convers 2021 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,600 or uh uh that payment. 2022 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,440 >> Okay. I'm glad to hear that the others 2023 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,120 were. Yeah, I'm glad to hear that cuz I 2024 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,719 know when I don't think it had all come 2025 01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,199 together when we made the contributions. 2026 01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:48,560 >> This was a last this was a kind of a 2027 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,800 last minute ditch effort right there in 2028 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,159 December when we found out about this 2029 01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,840 funding and then Jared came to Gwissa to 2030 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,560 bring this forward. 2031 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,120 >> Okay. 2032 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,520 >> Um I do think that GISA is also 2033 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,040 interested in getting this started again 2034 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,880 for next year. Um that was one of the 2035 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,239 reasons that we brought this forward to 2036 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:04,080 make sure that we that we have it on our 2037 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,000 plate that we understand that this is uh 2038 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,840 this is a request for 2027 as well. and 2039 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,000 hopefully that it co coincides with the 2040 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,760 city's budgeting so that they can make 2041 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,120 sure that they're able to budget for 2042 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,440 this project as well. 2043 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:19,520 >> Yeah. Yeah, 2044 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,120 >> at the end of the season, um I mean 2045 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,400 because we're still seating, I mean, we 2046 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,760 just seated on April 1, uh we're going 2047 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,600 through the the end of April, we'll 2048 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,239 provide uh like a final report and I'm 2049 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,000 happy to come down and present with you 2050 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,280 all or with the city of Moab again um to 2051 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,040 kind of give, you know, a final 2052 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,040 conclusion and then work towards next 2053 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,600 year. I know the state uh division of 2054 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,480 water resources has mentioned support 2055 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:51,030 for funding for next season as well. 2056 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,239 I had a mic had a comment. Y he 2057 01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,000 >> it was mostly answered right there. Uh 2058 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,640 please do that final report. Uh it is 2059 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,000 great to visually see uh your seating 2060 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,719 project and the cloud formation itself. 2061 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,239 Uh actually love seeing that 2062 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,040 representation there as a uh a Doppler 2063 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,120 nerd there. But 2064 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,760 >> with that, uh, I'd love to know your 2065 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:18,000 calculations on the like acre foot, uh, 2066 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,080 of of where or like how much seating 2067 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,840 efforts generated, how much acre feet of 2068 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,159 water. I'd love to see those numbers. 2069 01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,239 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll we'll we'll put 2070 01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:28,640 something together. Like I mentioned, 2071 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,440 um, we're in a transitionary period in 2072 01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,080 the industry where the the historical 2073 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,840 ways use the target control analysis. 2074 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,360 So, there's, you know, a Snowtel site in 2075 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,120 Lasal that we would probably compare to 2076 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,080 some other area that's not being seated. 2077 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,520 Um, I think what we'll do is we'll 2078 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,880 probably do it that way, but in the 2079 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,520 future, we're we're working on honing in 2080 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,280 on this radar base because I really what 2081 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,480 I would really like to be able to say 2082 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,480 is, "Hey guys, this last storm we 2083 01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,520 produced whatever 800 acre feet of water 2084 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,280 over your mountain range." That would be 2085 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,080 ideal and and here's the proof uh with 2086 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,960 the radar. um that that's the ultimate 2087 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,679 goal. Um and we're getting there. But as 2088 01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:11,120 part of our final report, we will have 2089 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,000 some sort of estimate on yield or 2090 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,679 production. 2091 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,360 >> That works perfect. Thank you. 2092 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,560 >> Yeah. 2093 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,960 >> First, Bill, go ahead. Yeah, and this 2094 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,800 isn't less for Jared, more for the 2095 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,880 commissioners, but we worked extensively 2096 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,679 with Jason on the air service recently, 2097 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,679 and I think with our next meeting that's 2098 01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:31,760 coming up, we can bring that up and see 2099 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,480 if we can get the city to participate 2100 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,840 with us. So, 2101 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:38,800 that's all I had. 2102 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:39,920 >> All right. Did you have something else, 2103 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:40,640 Brian? 2104 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,880 >> Yeah, I know. I I also talked to Miles 2105 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,480 uh uh Council Councelor Loftton as well 2106 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,760 about getting this added to their 2107 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,600 agenda. I could bring this forward. But 2108 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,040 well, my question actually was is for 2109 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,760 Jared. Um Jared, the the folks that have 2110 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,840 or the other uh um counties that have 2111 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,159 used this service, um are they planning 2112 01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:01,760 on doing it again for 2027? 2113 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,360 >> Uh yes, I it kind of comes down to the 2114 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,960 state funding. So we had the other 2115 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:13,199 county, one was Filillmore. They have no radar for validation there. 2116 01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:16,320 Um, so we we did actually pick up seed 2117 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,159 signatures using satellite which was 2118 01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:21,440 awesome, but their funding was not it 2119 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,280 was like privately sponsored. I don't 2120 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,920 know if the private sponsors will have 2121 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,000 funding again there. So that's still to 2122 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,800 be determined. Um, the other ones I 2123 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,120 think possibly I know Washington uh 2124 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,760 county is looking at 2125 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,520 uh adding some teams and working with 2126 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,320 Southern Nevada Water Authority uh to 2127 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,800 help with that. So, we'll see about what 2128 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,960 the other counties do. I know in 2129 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,440 Northern Utah we're still planning on 2130 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,280 doing it actually expanding some. 2131 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,800 >> And the state the state is still 2132 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,760 planning on on on funding this as well. 2133 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,280 >> Yes. Yeah. state still planning on 2134 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,000 funding it. Um, and I think the lower 2135 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,600 basin states may even 2136 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,679 >> That's my next question is so is I also 2137 01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,520 heard Arizona was looking at chipping in 2138 01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:08,560 as well. 2139 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,719 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, there's a there's a a 2140 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:12,000 programmatic agreement with the lower 2141 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,840 basin states that helps fund cloud 2142 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,239 seating. Um, 2143 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,320 it's up to water resource to determine 2144 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,320 how that funding is distributed. Um, I 2145 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,560 don't think it will make any difference 2146 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,480 for your all, you know, funding 2147 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:27,920 contributions except for the fact of 2148 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,239 knowing like the lower basin states are 2149 01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,239 paying their fair share. [laughter] 2150 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:32,960 But, uh, 2151 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,400 >> good to know who's got the skin in the 2152 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:35,040 game. 2153 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,920 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but it's it's up 2154 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,320 to the, uh, Jonathan Jennings and 2155 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,920 Division of Water Resources determine 2156 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,520 how their funding gets attributed. 2157 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,120 >> Thanks. Questions? 2158 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:47,600 >> Yeah. 2159 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,560 >> Okay. Thank you. But he's good. Thank 2160 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,560 you Jared for joining us. We'll look 2161 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,560 forward to the end for talking to you 2162 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,120 budget. 2163 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,239 >> Thank you all. 2164 01:23:58,239 --> 01:23:59,120 >> Yeah, 2165 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,360 >> thank you sir. 2166 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,440 >> Okay, we're going to move along back to 2167 01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:06,159 our agenda item seven. It's the 2168 01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:08,560 emergency purchase request for overhead 2169 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,880 door motors at the Old Spanish Trail 2170 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,920 Arena. And do we have Angie online or 2171 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,639 she's right here in the hallway 2172 01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:19,040 >> hiding? I can see you coming up. It's on 2173 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,199 carpet, not online. 2174 01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,520 >> Okay. 2175 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:28,080 So, over well, last week um one of our 2176 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,400 garage door um motors 2177 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,159 decided to quit working during Jeep 2178 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,000 Safari. It caused [laughter] a little 2179 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,920 bit of havoc, but we managed and got 2180 01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,719 through it. Um 2181 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,880 but we definitely need it and we need it 2182 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,920 working. Um, this was an item that I 2183 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,639 proposed in my budget and also my 2184 01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,239 presentation 2185 01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,920 to get fixed and replaced on all of the 2186 01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:58,320 first. So, um, I'm bringing to you for 2187 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,120 an emergency repair emergency repair on 2188 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,320 the one mortar, but also asking for all 2189 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,320 three of them to be done just because it 2190 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,679 did cause um quite the ordeal. 2191 01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:11,920 >> Yeah. So on the on the quotes, there's 2192 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,120 three different quotes and those are for 2193 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,120 the motors only and then the other 2194 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,960 person is the electrician that would 2195 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,000 install one motor or all three or is 2196 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,400 that the price per motor to install? 2197 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,199 >> So the electrician would only be doing 2198 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:27,600 wiring for one motor because the other 2199 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,040 two motors are already there. 2200 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,280 >> So they're replaced and they don't need 2201 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,080 to be wired. 2202 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,960 >> Correct. Okay. My question Mike 2203 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,560 >> I'm scouting off those quotes. What was 2204 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,080 the uh 2205 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,760 >> what was the bill do? 2206 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,920 >> 14,900. 2207 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:50,080 >> No, so if we go with um 2208 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:55,920 which would be our two locker um LLC and 2209 01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,480 then A&E Electric, it would come to 2210 01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:02,790 $10,8752 2211 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:03,760 » for the whole thing. 2212 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,480 Okay. 2213 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,320 >> And that would be with the three motors 2214 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,960 and the installation 2215 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,719 >> and the electrician. 2216 01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:13,199 >> Still going. 2217 01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:16,320 >> Go ahead. 10,872 2218 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:22,870 $10,875.882 2219 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,000 » if you go local to local places. 2220 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,320 >> But we previously did give recognition 2221 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,600 to four local bids. We we recognize 2222 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,239 >> that we 2223 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:37,120 >> and uh [clears throat] does it have a 2224 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,440 warranty for about a year? 2225 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,199 >> You know, I it was such a rush. I didn't 2226 01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:41,679 even 2227 01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:45,040 >> I would assume everything has about a 2228 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:45,920 one year warranty. 2229 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,000 >> Yeah. I mean, I can definitely find out, 2230 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,440 but it was such a rush to 2231 01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:51,120 >> along with workmanship. 2232 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,920 >> Yeah. Uh, with that, I move to approve 2233 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,520 the emergency purchase and repair of the 2234 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,760 Old Spanish Trail Arena overhead door 2235 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,239 motors with Arch Walker Enterprises LLC 2236 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:06,149 in the amount of $10,876 2237 01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:09,270 » $75.82 2238 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,950 » from Capital Improvements. 2239 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,280 » All right. Any discussion or questions? 2240 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,679 Go ahead, shock. I I was out working 2241 01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:19,520 that day with the mountain bike team at 2242 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,280 a fundraiser where we were parking cars 2243 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,239 and um I I was Angie filled me in on it 2244 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:26,800 out there and I talked to Rex as well 2245 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,159 other people. I just want to say I I 2246 01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,480 think that Angie and the OA staff 2247 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,719 handled it very very well. Could have 2248 01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:34,480 been could have been worse. It was 2249 01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:37,199 terrible timing, but is what it is. And 2250 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:40,480 I fully support um purchasing these 2251 01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,080 matters. [clears throat] 2252 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,719 >> And Bill, go ahead. Yeah, I was actually 2253 01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:47,120 walked up just as um Angie was holding 2254 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,120 her update for everybody on emergency 2255 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,120 exit 2256 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,120 evacuations out of the building and 2257 01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,679 everything. So was invited to stand in 2258 01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:59,120 with that as a commissioner and 2259 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,880 everything went well. She did a great 2260 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,159 job and I think everybody knew which door they were 2261 01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:09,040 headed to if an emergency occurred. So 2262 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,639 >> packed house too. Good job. 2263 01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:14,800 So, will the installation of these three 2264 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,880 garage doors impact any events that we 2265 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,880 have coming? 2266 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,880 >> Um, no. They should hopefully I was 2267 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,239 going to penny what you guys say said 2268 01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:29,679 contact the contractor this evening and 2269 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,360 hopefully still get them. The goal was 2270 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,920 to get it done on Friday if not Monday. 2271 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,320 My next event will start setting up on 2272 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,440 Monday, but they're just setting up. Um, 2273 01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:42,159 and participants won't actually be going 2274 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:44,239 into the arena until Wednesday. So, 2275 01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,880 we're we're cutting it by the skin of 2276 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:52,790 our teeth, but it shouldn't. 2277 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,960 » Sorry to add you with that extra stress 2278 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,040 when it was anything, but you know, 2279 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,800 prioritizing the budget isn't the 2280 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,320 funnest thing either. So, right. 2281 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,400 Anyways, we'll go ahead and call for a 2282 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,840 vote on the garage doors. Um, we had it 2283 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,760 first by Mike and second by Bill. All in 2284 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,400 favor? And that passes unanimously. 2285 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,790 >> Perfect. Thank you, Angie. [laughter] 2286 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,440 » All right. Number eight is the 2287 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:19,600 consideration of an award for the Grand 2288 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,360 County Land Use Code Update RFP with our 2289 01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:24,800 planning and zoning director Andrew 2290 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:34,390 Jackson. 2291 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,159 I'm Andrew Jackson, the Grand County 2292 01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:38,800 Planner. Um 2293 01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,239 the uh request is to award the contract 2294 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,000 for the rewrite of the latest county 2295 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,320 development manager code. This was 2296 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,120 previously placed in the budget uh in 2297 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,120 the planning department, but then was 2298 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,520 moved on December 16th, 2025 to capital 2299 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,639 improvements. for capital facilities 2300 01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:01,040 budget item. We originally had about 2301 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:05,120 $90,000 that was set aside. On February 2302 01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,080 27th, 2026, 2303 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,000 Grand County published a request for 2304 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,239 proposals for a land use and development 2305 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,960 management code rewrite. The RFP was 2306 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,480 published in accordance with the Grand 2307 01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,400 County and State of Utah purchasing 2308 01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,400 policy. Uh clerk auditor, Mr. White 2309 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,400 reviewed and published the RFP. 2310 01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,560 Questions from potential submitters were 2311 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,199 received by Mr. Way's office on March 2312 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:36,239 6th of 2026, not 20 2036. [laughter] 2313 01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,239 Um, the answers to the questions were 2314 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:42,400 posted March 13th, 2026. Three responses 2315 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,199 to the RFP were received by the March 2316 01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:47,120 20th deadline. Their [clears throat] 2317 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,199 franches were scored by a staff 2318 01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:51,920 committee consisting of Mark Tiner, 2319 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,800 Quinn Hall, Sean Yates, and Andrew 2320 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,080 Jackson. Um, I do have to say that Mark 2321 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,960 was a very tough grader and Shawn was a 2322 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,000 very lenient grader, and Quinn and I 2323 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,600 were real close to each other. Um, you 2324 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,480 can see the test RP scoring sheet 2325 01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:13,040 proposals from each firm were included 2326 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,960 in the backup material. Um CZB was one 2327 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,719 of the firms they had a score of 56.25. 2328 01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:24,400 Um Hansen planning group was uh scored 2329 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,560 at 67.75 2330 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,719 and Sunray's engineering was 73.5. 2331 01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:32,080 Uh the planning commission held a 2332 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,239 special public meeting at noon on 2333 01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,239 Monday, April 6th. After some 2334 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,960 discussion, Randy Day made a motion to 2335 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,480 recommend that the county commission 2336 01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,560 award the contract to rewrite the Gar 2337 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,280 County Land Development Manager Code to 2338 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,280 Sunrise Engineering. Megan Schaver 2339 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,239 second the motion. The motion carried 50 2340 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:54,400 with two absent. Um, after careful staff 2341 01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,000 recommendation is after careful 2342 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:57,760 consideration of viewing and scoring in 2343 01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,080 each of these three responses by our 2344 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,239 four staff members, the unanimous staff 2345 01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,880 recommendation for the consultant to 2346 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,480 rewrite the land use and development 2347 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:11,510 management code and fundraising to do. 2348 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,790 » Okay. 2349 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,040 like to make the motion after careful 2350 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,040 consideration and review of the scoring 2351 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,199 and recommendation staff have has 2352 01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:23,040 provided review of the planning 2353 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,800 commission recommendation and upon 2354 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,600 review of the RFP the scoring criteria 2355 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,679 and the budget the three response and 2356 01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:32,400 the three responses to the RFP and 2357 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,239 public comment. I move to award the bid 2358 01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:36,239 to rewrite Grand County's land use and 2359 01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,960 development management code to Sunrise 2360 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,159 Engineering. 2361 01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,000 >> I'll second 2362 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,289 by Brian. and discussion. 2363 01:32:44,289 --> 01:32:45,760 [clears throat] Trish, right? I just 2364 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:46,400 have a comment. 2365 01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,520 >> Yeah, comments. Um, I'm going to support 2366 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,239 this. I, you know, and this was conveyed 2367 01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:54,560 during the plan the planning commission 2368 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,520 on Monday. Um, 2369 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,560 I this is this is have been a need for a 2370 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,440 very long time. Um, one thing I have 2371 01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:05,199 stated that there should be somewhere 2372 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:07,840 and I said I' I would help you find this 2373 01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,239 very long list that Alisa Martin had 2374 01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:12,000 been putting together of you know 2375 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,320 specific things that she um that were 2376 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,320 just you know obviously breakdowns all 2377 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,280 along the line and and 2378 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,840 you know there's there's a ton of them. 2379 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,639 Um, it's extremely important that this 2380 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:26,960 is done right. That hopefully the 2381 01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,280 objective is if we do it right, we won't 2382 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,679 have to do it again for 15 years is the 2383 01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:32,560 hope. 2384 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,400 >> And so, you know, I want to make sure 2385 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,560 that we're moving in a manner that isn't 2386 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,880 rushed. For some reason, there's been 2387 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,840 this overarching like got to get it done 2388 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,960 thing. And it's a little disconcerning 2389 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,800 to me. I think, you know, the objective 2390 01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,960 is to get it done right so that we have 2391 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,400 a product that is easy for you to use, 2392 01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,000 easy for developers to use and and it's 2393 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,840 something that will have staying power 2394 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,400 within the county. That's the objective. 2395 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,400 Um especially when we have the turnover 2396 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,800 that we do have in planning and zoning, 2397 01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,405 we want a land use code that is simp 2398 01:34:11,405 --> 01:34:12,719 [clears throat] simplified. 2399 01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:13,840 >> Hopefully there won't be too much 2400 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,360 turnover. [laughter] 2401 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,159 >> Exactly. Um, so I would just that, you 2402 01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:19,940 know, and that was brought up um during 2403 01:34:19,940 --> 01:34:21,040 [clears throat] the planning commission 2404 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,960 the other day, just this, you know, I'll 2405 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,159 support this. I just let's not rush it, 2406 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:27,920 you know, let's have let's move through 2407 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,159 it chapter by chapter. Let's make sure 2408 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:32,239 the community is involved. Make sure 2409 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:33,679 that the planning commission and the 2410 01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:35,679 county commission is involved all along 2411 01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:37,520 the way. There's no reason to rush this 2412 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:37,840 process. 2413 01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,920 >> I do have access to Miss Martin and Miss 2414 01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:42,400 hard drives. 2415 01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,159 >> Okay, great. Great. Great. 2416 01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:45,840 >> Okay, that's super. What's the list I've 2417 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,040 been making? [laughter] 2418 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,880 >> Good. I know. I know. I'm sure you have 2419 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,520 a long list. Thank you. Thanks. I think 2420 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,320 that Bill and then Brian and then Mike. 2421 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:54,560 I 2422 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,040 >> I just want to state I mean I'm 2423 01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,800 appreciative that the commissioner is 2424 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,880 supportive of this. I'm a little bit 2425 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,440 surprised because for what the last year 2426 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:05,280 and a half there's been a huge rush 2427 01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,920 pushed by you and a couple of the other 2428 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,760 members of the commission here to hurry 2429 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,920 this up. So I'm glad that you're 2430 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,159 supportive of it. I'm surprised though 2431 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:17,360 of the reversal of before it wasn't and 2432 01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,199 now that we're we're flipping around to 2433 01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,120 >> please and thank you Andrew. Let's move 2434 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,075 this forward. 2435 01:35:26,075 --> 01:35:27,360 [clears throat] 2436 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,520 >> Yeah, I got I got I got a couple things. 2437 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:33,280 >> So yeah, just uh um you know maybe to 2438 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,520 just make sure that we give you know 2439 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,199 thanks for the hard work that's been 2440 01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:39,199 done. Um, Andrew, it's been a breath of 2441 01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,040 fresh air having you in that department, 2442 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,600 being able to make things happen, right? 2443 01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:44,960 Um, there was a statement made that 2444 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,880 we're trying to make get things done and 2445 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,719 yeah, we are trying to get things done 2446 01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:50,159 as this commission and I think that 2447 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:52,320 that's fantastic. Um, I went and looked 2448 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,159 up the procurement schedule which was on 2449 01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:56,560 the RFP and we are right on schedule. 2450 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,159 Um, and I think that's incredible that 2451 01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,000 we are right on schedule. And I also 2452 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:00,960 want to make sure that we're thanking 2453 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,639 our planning commissioners that showed 2454 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:05,760 up for the meeting um on was that 2455 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,719 Monday? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yesterday. I I 2456 01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:10,800 lose track of days sometimes, but the uh 2457 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,239 you know that showed up on a day that 2458 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:13,840 wasn't normally scheduled so that they 2459 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:19,920 can go through have an opportunity to uh to weigh in on these uh proposals and 2460 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,000 um yeah and and keep this thing still on 2461 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,840 contract or still on schedule. 2462 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,840 >> Yeah. And and a comment to that too is 2463 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,480 that Chairman Cle and Vice Chair 2464 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,719 Schaefer were heavily involved in the 2465 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:33,120 development of the RFP. They spent a lot 2466 01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,800 of time reviewing it and going over 2467 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,960 things, making suggestions, etc. So, I 2468 01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,440 think the RFP was a good product. 2469 01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:40,960 >> It was an aggressive schedule, but I'm 2470 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,800 glad that we're able to keep it. Um, I 2471 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,199 also can just bring a couple Give me 2472 01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:46,639 just one second just to go through my 2473 01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:48,800 comments here real quick. Um, just uh 2474 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,080 some of the comments that were made by 2475 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,920 the planning commission on the the 2476 01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,920 meeting and one is that, you know, uh 2477 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,400 CBZ did not have the experience here in 2478 01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,719 Utah writing land use code. Uh was one 2479 01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:00,400 of the things that they had brought up. 2480 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,199 Um, also, um, Obie brought up that all 2481 01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:04,560 three of these look like they were 2482 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,199 great, um, bids. So, I just want to 2483 01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:08,880 thank the the folks that took the time 2484 01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,199 to go ahead and apply. And then also 2485 01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:14,000 that uh, both Hondu, was it was it I'm 2486 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,199 sorry, it's 2487 01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:16,080 >> Hansen. 2488 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,080 that's right. Can't even read my 2489 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,119 own notes. Hansen and Sunrise [laughter] 2490 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:26,239 both have a lot of rural experience uh, both with law and uh, uh, and both 2491 01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,239 of these were in I I guess you could say 2492 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,159 budget, right? because it wasn't really 2493 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,320 a budgeted item. It was originally set 2494 01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,960 at $90,000. Um, but I believe during 2495 01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:36,560 budget season, one of the commissioners 2496 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,159 here said that it was going to cost up 2497 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,800 to $200,000. And so, we took that out of 2498 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,040 the budget and put that on over into our 2499 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,199 capital expense. So, once again, great 2500 01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:46,800 job for coming in under what we thought 2501 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,119 it was going to cost. 2502 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:53,199 >> Thank you, Mary. Uh, yes. In the past uh 2503 01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,239 when we're in the process of updating 2504 01:37:56,239 --> 01:38:00,000 codes and such that uh we have put 2505 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:05,520 moratoriums on new uh uh missions or new 2506 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,520 uh projects because we want to update 2507 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,040 the code and make sure that 2508 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,840 projects that come on in the future are 2509 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,960 following the new land use code. We did 2510 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,040 that when we were looking at how we were 2511 01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:25,440 going to uh you do we had a moratorium 2512 01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,159 on motel, hotels and overnight rentals 2513 01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:30,880 when we were updating how that was 2514 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,760 happening. And 2515 01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,520 I I I don't know if that's been 2516 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,040 considered, but I think it's something 2517 01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:38,719 that should be seriously considered 2518 01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:40,239 because we don't want people to hurry 2519 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,800 and rush because that's what will happen 2520 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:48,159 to have people jump in and get up on 2521 01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:50,400 pipeline so that they don't have to 2522 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:55,280 follow any new rules or presentations. 2523 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,199 >> Yeah. and and um we thought about that 2524 01:38:57,199 --> 01:38:59,199 and talked about it a little bit amongst 2525 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:00,960 staff and I believe also with the chair 2526 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,840 and vice chair. Um I don't think that's 2527 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,119 necessary and that's one of the reasons 2528 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:07,119 why we're wanting to move forward and 2529 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,280 move quickly with this. Uh 2530 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:13,520 >> I think if it's moving forward quickly 2531 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:18,320 and such and having a moratorum would 2532 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,760 you know it's not going to be a very 2533 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:23,360 long one but I I I think 2534 01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:24,960 I personally think it's really important 2535 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,800 that we do something of that nature so 2536 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,520 that uh the people in the future are 2537 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,679 following the rules that will be set 2538 01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:34,480 through this new process and not being 2539 01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,639 try and and we won't have the rush 2540 01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:39,920 because that's what will but is as we go 2541 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,520 forward if people see something they're 2542 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,280 not comfortable with there's going to be 2543 01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,440 a rush of applications. 2544 01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:46,639 >> Sure. Good comment. 2545 01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:49,360 >> So I I really support and think we 2546 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,159 should consider a moratory 2547 01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:55,360 until this is in place. Mike, 2548 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,800 >> yet another another reason for a rush. 2549 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:00,159 Thank you for not being rushed and 2550 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,520 getting this work done. [clears throat] 2551 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,600 uh previous plan uh land use plan was 2552 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,159 uh quite frankly a load of crap. Uh it 2553 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,880 had legal pitfalls. It had contradictory 2554 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,080 statements. It had it still does 2555 01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,199 >> land use code. Uh 2556 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:18,960 I can't wait till the new one's done. 2557 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,639 Thanks for getting the work done. 2558 01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:23,119 >> Thank you. 2559 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,199 >> You have any more comments? 2560 01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:26,560 >> No. Yeah, [clears throat] I appreciate 2561 01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:27,040 that. 2562 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,880 >> Is this also a notice to proceed or is 2563 01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,320 that a different 2564 01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:31,280 >> Excuse me. 2565 01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,199 >> Would this be a notice to proceed as 2566 01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:36,000 well or is that a different like to 2567 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,800 contact the sunrise engineering and tell 2568 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,239 them to go ahead and proceed? 2569 01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:41,760 >> Yes, as soon as we vote on it. I think 2570 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,520 that would be 2571 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,199 >> Yeah. [clears throat] 2572 01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:46,880 >> Okay. With that, we will go ahead and 2573 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,679 vote on it. So, we had a motion by Mike 2574 01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:51,520 and a second by Brian to go ahead and 2575 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,920 accept Sunrise Engineering for the land 2576 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,000 use code update. Those in favor 2577 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,760 that passes seven. Oh, thank you. 2578 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,520 Thanks for all your work on Andrew and 2579 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:04,960 all the planning commissioners and 2580 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,239 Trish. 2581 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:07,920 >> I I don't know if we want to put that on 2582 01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,679 future consideration to look at doing 2583 01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:15,360 on a new application. 2584 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,600 >> All right. from six distribution to two 2585 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,920 in the past. So 2586 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,189 we have 2587 01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:25,119 » yeah when we did that future land use 2588 01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:27,040 plan we did put a moratorium. So I don't 2589 01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,639 know Stephen if you could just look into 2590 01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:30,480 that a little bit if you don't mind. 2591 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:33,760 >> I think it's I I personally think it's 2592 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,950 really [clears throat] 2593 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,880 » Okay, we're going to move along. We have 2594 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,960 Steven Glire 2595 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,440 and Jud 2596 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,320 from our engineering company. 2597 01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,960 Lochner. So, we're going to talk about 2598 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,119 airport entrance road FA grant 2599 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:54,800 application number nine. 2600 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,560 >> Hi. 2601 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,239 >> Okay, before I share my screen, just a 2602 01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:01,360 little background on this. Um, this 2603 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,600 entry road grant app and the uh pavement 2604 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,840 preservation project were both things 2605 01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,159 that had gone through the airport prior 2606 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,400 to my arrival, as did the two projects 2607 01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,679 that are kind of under construction 2608 01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:16,400 right now. Um, 2609 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,440 as a result, uh, I just missed it. This 2610 01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:20,719 should have been on the budget this 2611 01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:22,400 year. So, let me just go ahead and 2612 01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,080 apologize in upfront that this wasn't 2613 01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,239 budgeted for. I put it on the CIP list 2614 01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:29,760 and just didn't get it in the full 2615 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,080 budget. So, I apologize for that, but 2616 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,000 these are grants that have been 2617 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,159 discussed as part of our um, ongoing 2618 01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:40,639 projects for 2619 01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:43,920 even before I got here. So, I'm going to 2620 01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,600 try and figure out how to share screen 2621 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,840 here 2622 01:42:47,840 --> 01:43:18,149 through both projects at the same time. 2623 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:22,870 full screen. 2624 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:30,709 Okay. 2625 01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:32,159 Goodness gracious. All right. That was 2626 01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:34,080 not as hard as I look. [laughter] 2627 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:34,880 >> There it goes. 2628 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,239 >> Okay. So, first of all, we have our 2629 01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:38,480 entry road rehabilitation. You have a 2630 01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:39,360 question already. 2631 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,790 >> Oh, not yet. [laughter] 2632 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:47,119 » Mike, Mike, put your hand down. 2633 01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:50,080 >> I'm willing to start, but um picture of 2634 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,760 our current entry roads. 2635 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,600 >> Y the entry road um is kind of your your 2636 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,360 front door to your airport. And this is 2637 01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:00,960 what ours looks like now. For just 2638 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,119 contrast, the the pavement that you see 2639 01:44:03,119 --> 01:44:05,360 that's in reasonably good shape was done 2640 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,040 12 years ago. 2641 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,639 >> Uh and the highway 2642 01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:11,199 >> and the pavement that uh is on the other 2643 01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,679 side of that obviously was done much 2644 01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:16,000 longer ago than that, which is why this 2645 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,159 was put into the CIP in the first place 2646 01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:21,600 is um when you go to an airport, a lot 2647 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,199 of people nervous about flying, 2648 01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,440 whatever. How professional your airport 2649 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,239 looks going in is kind of a big deal. Uh 2650 01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,239 so [clears throat] we asked for the 2651 01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:33,600 grant on this one. The total project 2652 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:40,950 cost on this is uh 1 million157,895,000 2653 01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,239 dollars. Uh the FAA is going to put in 2654 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:48,800 1.1 million and our match of 5% would be 2655 01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,280 about $58,000. 2656 01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:54,719 The 5% match is something that may not 2657 01:44:54,719 --> 01:44:57,199 last very much longer. because so you 2658 01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:59,199 know it's usually a 10% match that you 2659 01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:03,040 have to make on FAA projects. So um the 2660 01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,960 5% match is something that's pretty 2661 01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,280 important to try and take advantage of. 2662 01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,040 So with that said, this is why we want 2663 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,800 to do this [cough] 2664 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,119 and uh again I apologize. This should 2665 01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:15,582 have been in our budget. I missed it. 2666 01:45:15,582 --> 01:45:17,360 [clears throat] Uh so that's why we're 2667 01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,000 here now asking for the money. Just for 2668 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,520 an additional point of clarification, 2669 01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,239 the 5% match, the federal government for 2670 01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,199 all airport projects nationwide for 2671 01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:31,600 physical years 2025 and 2026, they upped 2672 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,440 the match. It was kind of tied to the 2673 01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:37,679 other um infrastructure funding. For 25 2674 01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:40,000 and 26, they upped it from the roughly 2675 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,480 90% federal share to 95%. 2676 01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:45,600 So, 2677 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,520 >> and just both of these projects, by the 2678 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,440 way, don't come out of the AIP money. 2679 01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:51,840 They come out of the BIL, the bill money 2680 01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,719 or AFT as we call it. He had he had his 2681 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:55,760 hand up first. So, 2682 01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,520 >> he always does. [laughter] 2683 01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,119 >> I actually have a question. 2684 01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:00,560 >> Okay. 2685 01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,400 >> Wait until after. Yeah, Mike's going to 2686 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,400 go in if we have discussion after. 2687 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,679 >> There's no questions. I drove on it 2688 01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:06,800 about 3 weeks ago. 2689 01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,960 >> Okay. I I move to approve the entrance 2690 01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,880 road grant application and authorize the 2691 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,480 chair to sign all related documents to 2692 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:14,480 the completion of the project for a 2693 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:19,030 fiscal impact of $57,895 2694 01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:24,229 the local 5% match. 2695 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:26,639 » Actually Brian can second first before 2696 01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:27,440 we can have discussion. 2697 01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,520 >> Go ahead. Yeah. So I'll second motion in 2698 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:30,400 a second. Okay. And then we're going to 2699 01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,840 go ahead and go Trish. 2700 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,400 >> Okay. Um was this Ge was this on the 2701 01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,080 capital improvements list or Steve? Was 2702 01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:36,960 this on the capital? 2703 01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,040 >> It was on our It was on our CIP list. 2704 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,400 Yeah. That I submitted. Yeah. 2705 01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,960 >> Okay. It was on that list. Okay. 2706 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,283 >> Killing me. 2707 01:46:47,283 --> 01:46:47,920 [laughter] 2708 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,119 >> Doc now. Go ahead. 2709 01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:50,320 >> Are you finished? Sure. 2710 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:50,719 >> Yeah. 2711 01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:52,560 >> Okay. So, it was on the but it wasn't in 2712 01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:53,840 budget. It was just on the improvement. 2713 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,239 >> Yeah. It wasn't in budget. 2714 01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:58,480 >> Yeah. No, I I I think that it's pretty 2715 01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,320 compelling that we're getting over a 2716 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,360 million bucks for just about $60,000 2717 01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,760 share. But I do there we have approved 2718 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,920 two airport projects that were out of 2719 01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,600 budget already. Um 2720 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,280 >> and those those were out of budget for a 2721 01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,639 different reason, but we went we WENT 2722 01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:13,199 THROUGH THAT. 2723 01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:14,800 >> NO, NEVERTHELESS, they were out of 2724 01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,400 budget. We we had a difficult budget 2725 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:17,119 year. We're [clears throat] still having 2726 01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:18,480 a difficult budget year. We've already 2727 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,719 approved $15,000 that are out of budget. 2728 01:47:20,719 --> 01:47:22,159 >> One of those we're going to get back, 2729 01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:23,600 but just keep 2730 01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,199 >> Okay. I hope [laughter] so. 2731 01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:28,880 >> Um so I so I get the value there. I I 2732 01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,080 get the need. Um I'm yeah I'm just 2733 01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,760 having difficulty with with two of these 2734 01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,159 coming up and two having already been 2735 01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:38,159 put in that we we're spending a lot of 2736 01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:40,080 money on the airport and and I'm cool 2737 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,080 with that but there's also a ton of 2738 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,560 other projects in the county that we do 2739 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,320 need to spend money on maintenance 2740 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,159 things like the mosquito abatement 2741 01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:50,480 building things like OA where we just 2742 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:55,280 saw motors fail and I know we're we're fixing those things peace meal 2743 01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,159 where we should be getting in front of 2744 01:47:58,159 --> 01:47:59,840 it and this is money that could you 2745 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,360 spent for those things. 2746 01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:02,400 >> Um, 2747 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:04,320 >> no, no, it's it's it's cool, Steve. I'm 2748 01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:05,884 just I'm just pointing it out. 2749 01:48:05,884 --> 01:48:06,159 [laughter] 2750 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:09,840 >> Um, I I looked at both of these projects 2751 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,560 and I think my personal preferences I I 2752 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:13,840 definitely think they're both valuable, 2753 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,840 but I I'm going to vote for one of them 2754 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,000 and I and I think the the this the 2755 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,320 second one that you put on here is the 2756 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,880 one that I think is more pressing. um 2757 01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:25,520 having read those 2758 01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,920 um and that's the reason not not at all 2759 01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:28,960 because I don't support the airport 2760 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,280 improvements there. I just I just think 2761 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,119 we're we're we're pushing a lot of money 2762 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:34,320 in that direction there. I think there's 2763 01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:35,280 other directions that we should be 2764 01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:36,800 pushing. 2765 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,880 >> Can I comment real quickly before you go 2766 01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:39,360 on? 2767 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:40,159 >> Yeah. 2768 01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:44,159 >> FAA funding tends to go in waves. Um we 2769 01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,480 caught a big wave. I mean this this is 2770 01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,400 not the kind of thing the two major 2771 01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,239 projects that we that we've already been 2772 01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,639 working on. three. Actually, that 2773 01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:54,960 doesn't happen very often. And typically 2774 01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,119 after you've had a big wave of funding 2775 01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:58,960 like that, you're kind of you got to sit 2776 01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,560 at the top of the class for a little 2777 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:01,440 while. 2778 01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:03,920 >> So, I I I hope not. We're going to try 2779 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:08,080 because this is a 20 to1 um 2780 01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,840 >> try and get grants to keep the airport 2781 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:10,719 going. 2782 01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:12,880 >> Um but it does typically get harder to 2783 01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,119 get discretionary money after you've had 2784 01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:18,480 two really big projects. 2785 01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:19,360 >> All right. Okay. So, we're going to go 2786 01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,760 with Brian and then Mike and then Mary 2787 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,440 because she hasn't spoken yet. Probably 2788 01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:26,400 Bill and Trish and then I will speak as 2789 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,600 well. But so, Mike, go ahead. Oh, 2790 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,840 >> I think it was Brian first. [laughter] 2791 01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:33,360 >> Had your hand up first, I'm sure. 2792 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,280 >> Uh, yeah. 2793 01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:36,480 >> Never put it down. 2794 01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:38,639 >> My I just want to make the statement. My 2795 01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:40,400 comments are important, too. If I have 2796 01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:41,679 my hand raised, it's for something I 2797 01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:43,520 read a week ago because we got this 2798 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,520 roughly a week ago. It's not hard to see 2799 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,400 that. But my comments are relevant to 2800 01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,080 the topic just because I already 2801 01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,840 formulated opinion. Don't tell me to put 2802 01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,320 my hand down. 2803 01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,440 >> Thank you, 2804 01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:58,790 >> Brian. 2805 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,440 So, I just want to kind of break up a 2806 01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:02,960 little bit of the the idea of this 2807 01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,520 budget. I think that the public still 2808 01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,679 plans on Grand County doing 2809 01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:10,080 infrastructure projects, right? Safety 2810 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,000 projects like the entrance right here to 2811 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,800 the airport. uh safety projects like you 2812 01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,639 know maintaining the the pavement out 2813 01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:19,040 there on the runway. Um I I think that 2814 01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,040 that's all planned that that what what 2815 01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,320 they're looking for. I think when people 2816 01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,239 talk about us cutting our budget, I 2817 01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:26,080 think they're talking about us cutting, 2818 01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,480 you know, the the overinflated staffing 2819 01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:30,560 that they have that happened, you know, 2820 01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,119 the prior 10 years where we where our 2821 01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:35,920 the size of our government grew, right? 2822 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:37,360 But the projects that were actually 2823 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:38,960 being completed out in the community 2824 01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:43,360 were not that folks weren't seeing those projects being completed. I think 2825 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,159 this is a great deal right here. Um, you 2826 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:47,760 know, and I mean, if I had the 2827 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,679 opportunity right now to go back and 2828 01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:52,000 get, you know, 3.2 financing on my 2829 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,840 house, believe me, I'd go ahead and jump 2830 01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,639 in on that right now. 2831 01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:59,040 >> Mary, 2832 01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,390 um, 2833 01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:04,639 trying to think what to say first. To 2834 01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:06,400 begin with, I I just want to comment on 2835 01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,480 what what you just said, Brian. There 2836 01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,639 has not been a feasibility study to 2837 01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:13,360 determine whether or not we are under or 2838 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,080 over staffed. I believe if you to talk 2839 01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,199 to 90% of our staff, they would feel 2840 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:21,760 like they're working very hard and doing 2841 01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:24,159 an incredible job with a [snorts] lack 2842 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:28,080 of resources. I think it's uh an 2843 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:31,119 assumption to say that the community 2844 01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:37,040 looks at our staff and says that we are uh overstaffed. That is an 2845 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:41,520 assumption and that just 2846 01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,520 it it bothers me when [clears throat] 2847 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,760 you say something like that. It needs to 2848 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,000 come from some type of study, not just 2849 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,159 an opinion. 2850 01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:54,560 I I agree with Jock. 2851 01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,719 I I I look at both of these and and I 2852 01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:59,440 read both of them 2853 01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:01,920 and shoot a airport. I remember the year 2854 01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,639 that Jud was the head of the airport and 2855 01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:07,040 we were redoing everything. It seemed 2856 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,040 like every time we turned around we were 2857 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:13,440 looking at another budget and another budget. 2858 01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:17,199 But I do know FAA loans don't totally go 2859 01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:19,520 away. They stay till the next year. And 2860 01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,159 I do think it's at this point I think we 2861 01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:24,239 have I'm going to choose between one of 2862 01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:27,760 the two projects at this point because 2863 01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,560 there's uh a lot of needs in this 2864 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,000 county. A lot of needs and uh the 2865 01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,920 entrance to the airport would be 2866 01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,960 wonderful and I and you you are one of 2867 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,040 the best advocates for your department 2868 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,520 and I cheer you for that. [laughter] 2869 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,920 But I also know that a lot of other part 2870 01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,719 apartments need a lot and I think the 2871 01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:51,599 preservating preserving the pavement is 2872 01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:54,320 so important because that is safety and 2873 01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,040 critical to the operations of the 2874 01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:01,040 airport. So, uh, 2875 01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,880 not that I don't support them both and I 2876 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,679 see that, you know, it's a hard one to 2877 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:07,199 turn something down when you're going to 2878 01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,360 get all this money, but at the same 2879 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,599 time, 2880 01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:15,760 we're we're we're just spending and spending and spending 2881 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:20,159 outside of budget and this is only our 2882 01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,320 fourth month. 2883 01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,000 >> We're not even we're not we're in our 2884 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:25,119 first quarter still. 2885 01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:26,639 >> I totally understand that. Let me put up 2886 01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:28,719 one more quick slide just to so that you 2887 01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:30,320 kind of have an idea of the scope of the 2888 01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:32,560 project. This this is the uh this is the 2889 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,119 area that we will be working on. So it's 2890 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,280 a pretty large project and you you might 2891 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,280 not know it but right out in front of 2892 01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,040 our offices and our snow removal 2893 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,239 building there is about an 18 in hole 2894 01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:47,440 where a sinkhole has begun to form. So 2895 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:49,199 um you know there are there are some 2896 01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:51,760 relevant reasons uh to do this project. 2897 01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,000 Not the least of which is depending on 2898 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,599 what happens in the Middle East. Who 2899 01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:57,199 knows what the oil would cost us for 2900 01:53:57,199 --> 01:54:01,280 next year if we wait. I mean, it's 2901 01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,040 >> I get it. I get it. There's a ton of 2902 01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,719 different things, but I'm not sure 2903 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,239 there's another one that's going to give 2904 01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:09,119 you a 20 to1 return. 2905 01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:10,719 >> This is true. 2906 01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:11,920 >> Oh, did you have a comment? 2907 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:13,599 >> I do. 2908 01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:15,920 >> Yeah. Um, there's seven commissioners up 2909 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,159 here. There's probably seven different 2910 01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:21,360 opinions on the size of our local 2911 01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,480 government. And that commissioner is 2912 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,719 able to have his opinion as I am and as 2913 01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:28,800 you are where whether we do a study or 2914 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,599 not. We don't need a study to look back 2915 01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:33,760 and see that for the last four to five 2916 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:39,599 years our budget has been going down and down because of the fact that 2917 01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:42,800 tourism was dropping. This is an 2918 01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,280 economic driver for the county here. 2919 01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,159 This is the entrance. We're going to 2920 01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,239 great lengths here to bring in a new 2921 01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:53,760 airline possibly if the FAA so chooses 2922 01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,880 to honor our choice. This is going to be 2923 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,480 something that's going to help that 2924 01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,800 bottom line whether we choose to support 2925 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,520 the size of the staff we have now or a 2926 01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:06,320 larger staff or smaller staff. This is a 2927 01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,400 driver that's going to help our 2928 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:12,320 community and the county's finances. So 2929 01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,480 that's my stand on it. 2930 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:15,920 >> Okay. So, I was [clears throat] gonna 2931 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:16,639 just I was 2932 01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:17,840 >> Oh, I was I was out. 2933 01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:19,199 >> I think you already spoke and I haven't 2934 01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:20,239 >> Well, I was after Okay, I'll [laughter] 2935 01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:21,520 go. May I go after you? 2936 01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:22,719 >> Yeah. Okay, great. 2937 01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:24,400 >> Yeah, you you spoke and I haven't yet. 2938 01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:24,639 So, 2939 01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:25,040 >> okay. [clears throat] 2940 01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,119 >> Um I think that we have an airport 2941 01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:29,760 subcommittee meet um with the 2942 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:31,679 commissioners and and Steve, I think it' 2943 01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:34,320 be super helpful to not miss these 2944 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,080 things in the future so that when we are 2945 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:37,520 going to do our budget that these will 2946 01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,599 be forefront and we'll know what's up. 2947 01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,560 We'll know what's going on and we'll we 2948 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,080 won't be surprised. And I also am just 2949 01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:48,560 curious about the um [clears throat] you 2950 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,119 know it's a it's a $1.1 million with the 2951 01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:53,760 $58,000 match. If we did push that off 2952 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,320 like Mary's recommending and the cost of 2953 01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,320 the project goes up, how does that 2954 01:55:58,320 --> 01:55:59,280 funding work? 2955 01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:01,679 >> I'm not as worried about Well, we have 2956 01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:03,599 to go back and reapply for the grant. So 2957 01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:06,020 if the if the cost of it um if 2958 01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:07,360 [clears throat] the everything goes up 2959 01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,239 and we have to bid it next year, then we 2960 01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:11,760 would have to reapply for more grant 2961 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,040 money. 2962 01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,440 Um I'm more concerned with the doubling 2963 01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,280 of our match, 2964 01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,360 >> which is a real poss which is a real 2965 01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:20,480 possibility. 2966 01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,760 >> I agree. Okay. And um and I and I do 2967 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:25,840 agree that the airport is a huge 2968 01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,599 economic driver. It's also something 2969 01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:29,440 that diversifies our community. You 2970 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,159 know, we have pilots and and they make 2971 01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:33,920 good good money. So I think that the 2972 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,440 investing the airport is really good. 2973 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,280 The other piece is that road. I think 2974 01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:38,639 when we were doing that because I am on 2975 01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:40,880 the airport subcommittee is that road. 2976 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:42,639 We need that access to get to those new 2977 01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:44,639 hangers that we want to build which are 2978 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:47,440 going to create income to the airport. 2979 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:51,040 >> Yes. That that will run 2980 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,480 >> parallel down there. 2981 01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,239 >> So So it won't help it. 2982 01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:55,920 >> It would just continue along 2983 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,599 >> continue. So I think it's a definitely 2984 01:56:57,599 --> 01:56:59,920 needed um just to get those get that 2985 01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:02,400 moving along to spring money on those 2986 01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:03,360 hangers. 2987 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:04,960 >> I do think the airport subcommittee is 2988 01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:06,239 going to help make sure we don't miss 2989 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:07,760 these. I think it's also going to help 2990 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,360 that I don't plan on going anywhere and 2991 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,199 we're not going to be having transitions 2992 01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:13,440 going on uh where one thing started 2993 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,599 under one and then under another and 2994 01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:17,760 then to me. Um I think that's going to 2995 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:18,639 help too. So 2996 01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:20,320 >> absolutely that's great to hear. Thank 2997 01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,639 you. And now Trish, go ahead. 2998 01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:25,440 >> Um I I do appreciate all your guys' 2999 01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:29,199 work. I really do. I just our budget as 3000 01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:33,840 you know was torturous and um 3001 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,239 it yeah we just keep we just keep 3002 01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:39,040 digging holes here and and so again so 3003 01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:40,719 please don't take offense if I vote 3004 01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:41,840 against this it won't make any 3005 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:43,280 difference. I'm not going to vote for 3006 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,280 either of them just because of that that 3007 01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,320 they were not within budget. Um, and we 3008 01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:50,320 I do and I keep stating this that I 3009 01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,239 think we need to have a prioritized 3010 01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,320 capital projects list where we take the 3011 01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:55,760 greatest needs are on the top of that 3012 01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:57,440 list. And and I understand they're by 3013 01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,520 department and because we literally we 3014 01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,440 have a weed department building right 3015 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:03,440 now where they have to move their 3016 01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:05,280 computers and move their scientific 3017 01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,760 equipment when it rains because it's 3018 01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,760 leaking so bad. I mean, there are 3019 01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,400 departments that are in defcon 5 phase. 3020 01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:15,040 They're just not as vocal. And yes, I 3021 01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,040 understand they're not providing 3022 01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,360 economic vitality and all of that and so 3023 01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,320 they're not as as flashy, but we do have 3024 01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,159 great needs. So, please don't take 3025 01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:24,639 offense. 3026 01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:26,239 >> I will take I will take no offense 3027 01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:28,159 >> and I do appreciate your efforts. 3028 01:58:28,159 --> 01:58:31,360 >> Okay. Thank you. Oh, Brian, go ahead. 3029 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:32,800 >> I am an advocate for the weeds 3030 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:34,239 department, but I do remember during 3031 01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:36,480 budget season, the push in the weeds 3032 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,400 department was for more staff and not 3033 01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:40,560 for the infrastructure. 3034 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:41,119 >> Okay, 3035 01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:42,800 >> we're going to call for a vote on this. 3036 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,960 So, we had a motion by Mike and a second 3037 01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:49,840 by Brian for the match on the um airport 3038 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:54,470 entrance. All those in favor? 3039 01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,962 That passes? Well, all those opposed. 3040 01:58:56,962 --> 01:58:59,030 [clears throat] 3041 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:00,880 » So, those that passes 43 with the 3042 01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:02,480 opposed is Commissioner Haden, 3043 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,000 Commissioner Heather, and Commissioner 3044 01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,040 McN. and we're gonna go ahead and um get 3045 01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,480 number 10 done since you guys are 3046 01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:09,920 sitting right there and then we'll go on 3047 01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,040 to the opening the public hearing. 3048 01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:14,719 >> All right. 3049 01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,080 So number 10 is the pavement 3050 01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,199 preservation grant application. And 3051 01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:21,280 >> so this slide is just to show you the 3052 01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:23,119 part of the pavement that we're planning 3053 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,520 on doing the pavement preservation on. 3054 01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,840 Um there there's a lot of reason to do 3055 01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,760 pavement preservation, but the biggest 3056 01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,440 one is you see what happens on the other 3057 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,199 picture when you don't do pavement 3058 01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:34,800 preservation for a long time. That's 3059 01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,560 totally failed pavement. That's part of 3060 01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:38,320 what we're going to be rebuilding under 3061 01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,400 our next project. 3062 01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:42,320 Um so we want to try and avoid that for 3063 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,320 as long as we can. The FAA actually 3064 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:46,639 wants us to do pavement preservation 3065 01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:49,280 every 3 to 5 years. Um, and if you have 3066 01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,040 a good plan in place to make sure you're 3067 01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:52,560 doing your pavement preservation every 3068 01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,239 three to five years, it gives you better 3069 01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:56,239 chances to get um, discretionary money 3070 01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:58,560 when you do have to do rebuilds. So, 3071 01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:00,400 that's part of the reason that we want 3072 02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:03,199 to do this project as well. And put up 3073 02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:06,719 the amounts there. Some of these are on 3074 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:08,560 this particular one, more than anything, 3075 02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:10,400 we're we're it's a bit of an estimate, 3076 02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,360 but um, it's kind of a not to exceed. 3077 02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,280 We're we're hoping we can get it for 3078 02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:16,960 less than that, but again, the cost of 3079 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:22,159 oil changes constantly. So, yeah. 3080 02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:23,360 >> Mike, 3081 02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:24,880 >> I'd like to make the motion. I move to 3082 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:29,360 approve $50,000 not to exceed $50,000 in 3083 02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:31,679 pavement preservation grant application 3084 02:00:31,679 --> 02:00:35,520 matching funds and all and 3085 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,360 to authorize all other needed signatures 3086 02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,920 to complete this project. 3087 02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:41,840 >> Thank 3088 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,280 you. you had a did you have a question 3089 02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:44,000 or comment? No, 3090 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,280 >> I was just going to say I was just going 3091 02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,280 to say like I said previously, I I I 3092 02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:48,639 think both these projects are worthy. I 3093 02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:52,000 think this one to me uh was a little 3094 02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:57,199 more preent and um hard to hard to 3095 02:00:57,199 --> 02:01:02,000 ignore. The 5% match is is great. And 3096 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,760 again, I do support things at the 3097 02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:07,040 airport, what I said before about um 3098 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,360 budget stands, but I'll support this 3099 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:12,480 one. Okay, Mike. 3100 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:13,760 >> Just want to double check my numbers, 3101 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:19,040 too. Uh, that was roughly $107,000. 107 3102 02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:22,400 correct $1,000 total uh for the total of 3103 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,400 2.1 some odd million. 3104 02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,239 >> Yeah. 3105 02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:28,880 >> I like your guys' rate of exchange here. 3106 02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,360 >> Like I said, like I said before, don't 3107 02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:34,080 >> we need to get some other 3108 02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:36,000 This is pretty amazing that you that you 3109 02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,679 caught a wave like this. I get that it's 3110 02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:40,239 a tough budget year, but it doesn't 3111 02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:41,360 happen all the time. There's going to 3112 02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:42,800 come a time when we're begging the FA 3113 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,080 for money and can't get a nickel. 3114 02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:45,520 >> Are you the grant writer? 3115 02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:46,800 >> That's how it is. 3116 02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:48,400 >> Have you been the grant writer on these? 3117 02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,639 >> Oh, no. These were approved before I got 3118 02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:52,960 here. I got to just ride this way then. 3119 02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,159 That was so easy for you. 3120 02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:55,199 >> We need to talk about some grant 3121 02:01:55,199 --> 02:01:56,400 writing. [laughter] 3122 02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:00,149 >> It's good stuff. 3123 02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:02,080 » Okay. 3124 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,000 >> So, can you just explain where this this 3125 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:05,440 paving is right there? kind of going 3126 02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:07,280 through the application like the the 3127 02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,040 maps that I I didn't see in the packet 3128 02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:09,679 that really 3129 02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,760 >> Oh, I didn't put a I didn't put the the 3130 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,040 >> Yeah. So, I just kind of I just want to 3131 02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:14,400 understand the project just a little bit 3132 02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:15,040 more if we have 3133 02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:16,080 >> pavement preservation is going to 3134 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:17,920 include the runway. 3135 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,599 >> Okay. And so that's 3136 02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:21,520 >> Yeah. So, payment preservation, it's 3137 02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:23,199 basically [cough] two parts. One, if 3138 02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:26,000 there are cracks, you get cracks uh 3139 02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,000 filled. That's kind of what the uh 3140 02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,520 spaghetti of lines is on the right 3141 02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:30,960 picture is crack fill from a previous 3142 02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,119 pavement maintenance. The next is a 3143 02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:35,599 rejuvenating oil. It's the end result is 3144 02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:37,199 like a chip seal on a road, but you 3145 02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:38,719 can't have tiny chips around jet 3146 02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:39,760 engines. No. 3147 02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:44,480 >> Um so crack fill oil and then remarking. 3148 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,639 So it's all fresh paint. Um the 3149 02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:49,360 locations will be the runway, the entire 3150 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,320 runway and all the markings on that. The 3151 02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:54,560 taxi way that runs parallel to the 3152 02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:58,320 runway and all of the areas of the apron 3153 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,760 that are not being reconstructed. So in 3154 02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,880 this particular picture, the uh pictures 3155 02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,199 on the right, that is a project that's 3156 02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:09,199 already funded already. The grants are 3157 02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:11,119 already issued. It was funded last year. 3158 02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:13,360 Just the grant came in too late to do 3159 02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:15,040 construction last year. That'll be 3160 02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:17,119 starting at the completion of the new 3161 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:19,520 apron project in May. You 3162 02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:23,199 >> mentioned jets on there, but the jets aren't on this. You can't put a 3163 02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:24,080 jet on that, can you? 3164 02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,520 >> Oh, absolutely. That actually where 3165 02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:27,440 we're standing right now is where the 3166 02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,920 contour jet left that's a contour jet on 3167 02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:31,199 the left hand side of the picture. 3168 02:03:31,199 --> 02:03:32,480 >> Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right 3169 02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:34,000 there. But where you're doing your your 3170 02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:34,800 chip seal right there. 3171 02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,239 >> No, that's where that's where we're 3172 02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:41,040 doing the chip seal is right there. The other we're rebuilding completely 3173 02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:42,560 doing on the concrete or on the 3174 02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,000 >> Not on the concrete. All of the 3175 02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,440 remaining asphalt. So there are two 3176 02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:47,040 areas of concrete. One right in front of 3177 02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:48,880 the terminal building and then another 3178 02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:51,040 large parking area in the middle of the 3179 02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:54,800 apron. Those are not getting the oil put 3180 02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:57,280 on it. Um 3181 02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:58,639 >> we don't park we don't you don't park 3182 02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:01,360 the jets on that on the where the oil's 3183 02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:02,080 at. Right. 3184 02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:04,560 >> Uh you can park smaller ones. The larger 3185 02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,639 That's the whole point of the larger. 3186 02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,159 >> Exactly. That's the whole point of the 3187 02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:11,119 concrete on what you mentioned jets and 3188 02:04:11,119 --> 02:04:12,880 that's why it was just a little bit. 3189 02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:14,159 >> Well, that's why you can't put a chip 3190 02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:16,400 seal because it has little pieces of bod 3191 02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:17,599 that will get sucked up into their 3192 02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:19,199 engine because they do still roll across 3193 02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:19,760 it. 3194 02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:20,480 >> Sure. Yeah. 3195 02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:24,000 >> Yeah. Okay. I basically everything it 3196 02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,800 protects everything that's not being 3197 02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:28,880 actively worked on either constructed 3198 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:30,800 this year or the concrete. Otherwise, 3199 02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,320 it's all the rest of the 3200 02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:33,040 >> is rebuilt. 3201 02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,960 >> Rebuilt. Obviously, not the taxi way or 3202 02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,440 the taxi lanes that were just built. Um 3203 02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:39,360 obviously those don't need it, but they 3204 02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,239 will the next time around. Fast forward 3205 02:04:42,239 --> 02:04:44,239 3 to 5 years depending on whether 3206 02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,159 >> it also helps with the contrast. For our 3207 02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:47,679 139, you're required to have a certain 3208 02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:49,760 amount of contrast between your markings 3209 02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,199 and your pavement and to redo it helps. 3210 02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:54,880 >> And then just one last question. This is 3211 02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:56,960 when is the timing of this project will 3212 02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:58,960 affect operations throughout this year? 3213 02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:00,560 >> The pro the reason these are kind of 3214 02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,159 tricky is you should you should crack 3215 02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:04,639 seal when it's as absolutely coldest as 3216 02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:06,960 possible and you should seal coat when 3217 02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:09,199 it's warm. So because we always have to 3218 02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:10,400 do these at the same time, they're 3219 02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:11,840 always in conjunction. Usually do them 3220 02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:16,000 in the fall when it's cool. um not not 3221 02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,239 hot enough to be real great for the oil 3222 02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:20,960 and not cold enough to be real great for 3223 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:25,119 uh the crack seal but kind of the the 3224 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:26,960 best we can do when you're doing them at 3225 02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:27,679 the same time. 3226 02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:30,159 >> So in a fall season 3227 02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:32,000 so will it have will this have an impact 3228 02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,320 on the fall season as far as operations 3229 02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:37,199 at this work? Uh we will that will be 3230 02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:40,480 part of our design will be a phasing 3231 02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:44,239 plan to have we can't say no impact but 3232 02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:46,880 minimize it as much as possible. 3233 02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:48,719 >> Obviously when we do the runway there's 3234 02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:51,440 going to be a day and and we will make 3235 02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:53,840 sure we pick a day that is the least 3236 02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:57,040 traveled day usually a Tuesday um and 3237 02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,040 try and get that done so that we don't 3238 02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:00,480 impact aircraft. 3239 02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,920 >> Perfect. Thank you guys. 3240 02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:05,599 Okay, we're done. We're going to call 3241 02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:08,080 for a vote. So, we had a motion by Mike 3242 02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:10,800 and a second by Bill. Those in favor of 3243 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,639 supporting the pavement preservation 3244 02:06:12,639 --> 02:06:14,507 grant in the match of $50,000 3245 02:06:14,507 --> 02:06:17,599 [clears throat] for the county say I. 3246 02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:19,119 >> I. 3247 02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:21,920 >> And those opposed. 3248 02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:25,280 And those abstaining abstaining. Okay. I 3249 02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,440 supported one, but now they're going to 3250 02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:31,040 go two. So, I just didn't. 3251 02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:34,000 >> Okay. So we have that passed five with 3252 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:38,159 one against Commissioner Hadin and one 3253 02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:42,079 opposing Commissioner McGain. 3254 02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:44,880 Sorry, abstaining. 3255 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,280 >> Thank you. Thank you. 3256 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:48,320 >> All right. [laughter] 3257 02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,480 >> We will be sending lots of paperwork. 3258 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:52,880 >> Lots of paperwork. Yes. 3259 02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,159 >> I already have it all. I've been 3260 02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:56,960 ignoring it. [laughter] 3261 02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:00,239 >> Um so it's 6 o'clock. 607 and we're 3262 02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:02,239 going to go ahead and open the citizen 3263 02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:05,280 to be heard first portion of this. So, 3264 02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:06,719 we're not opening the public hearing 3265 02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:09,360 yet. So, if there's anyone online or in 3266 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,920 this chamber that wants to speak at our 3267 02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:14,880 standard citizen favor, not on the 3268 02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,840 public hearings, then let me know and 3269 02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:23,990 come on up. Come on up, Jibby. 3270 02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:25,360 » Can I sit down? Sit down. 3271 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:26,480 >> You don't have to. You can stand right 3272 02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,239 here. But you'll that way everyone in 3273 02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:29,679 the audience can hear you 3274 02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:32,400 >> if you use a microphone. 3275 02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:34,320 >> Okay. I just would like you guys when 3276 02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:36,719 you're thinking about affordable housing 3277 02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:39,040 to seriously look at the manufactured 3278 02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:43,280 home issue because I think it's 3279 02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:46,320 generally not a good idea having been in 3280 02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:48,400 this. It's usually really hard to they 3281 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,119 don't uphold as well. They're harder to 3282 02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:53,920 finance. They do take away employment 3283 02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:55,360 from locals, even though I know it's 3284 02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,599 hard for us to find plumbers and that 3285 02:07:57,599 --> 02:07:59,760 stuff. So, I just would like you to look 3286 02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:02,239 into other options as well. 3287 02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:03,599 >> And you know, I don't think I asked to 3288 02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:04,239 say your name. 3289 02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:05,360 >> Oh, I'm Judy Powers. 3290 02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,360 >> Thank you. 3291 02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:09,840 >> All right. Anyone else here to speak on 3292 02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,800 citizens to be heard? 3293 02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:14,320 >> I just wanted to ask a question. I've 3294 02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:15,599 already been mousing off and I'm going 3295 02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:16,880 to do another session. But I'm just 3296 02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,119 curious if I could speak prior to the 3297 02:08:19,119 --> 02:08:22,239 zoning talk and then also in that or if 3298 02:08:22,239 --> 02:08:22,880 I just get one. 3299 02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,719 >> Uh we usually let just have citizens 3300 02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:26,719 speak one time at citizens be heard. You 3301 02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:29,280 can speak the additional time at the 3302 02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:30,639 about the public hearing. 3303 02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:31,199 >> Okay. 3304 02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:33,599 >> But not in a second citizens be heard. 3305 02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:35,520 We do have another meeting on April 21st 3306 02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:37,119 and so you can come back and talk to us 3307 02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:37,520 then 3308 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:38,560 >> or I'll send you an email. 3309 02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:40,400 >> I'll send email time to get to billions 3310 02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:41,119 of those. 3311 02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:43,280 >> Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Anyone 3312 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,000 else here for regular citizens to be 3313 02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,960 heard? 3314 02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,560 Okay, going once. Going twice 3315 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,239 >> online. I think update online is for the 3316 02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:56,159 hearing too. So I just want to move on. 3317 02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:57,840 Okay, we're going to go ahead and we are 3318 02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:59,760 going to open up our first public 3319 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,679 hearing which is this um that's number 3320 02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:03,920 one on our agenda. It's the steeen 3321 02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:09,119 reszone from range and grazing to 3322 02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:10,880 sorry 3323 02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,040 range and grazing to resort commercial. 3324 02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,480 I'm going to have Andrew Jackson come 3325 02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:15,599 up. He's our planning and building 3326 02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:20,229 director and he's going to open up 3327 02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,400 and after that we will allow everyone to 3328 02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:26,870 come up. 3329 02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:28,480 » Thank you Mary. If I drink coffee I 3330 02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:32,790 won't sleep. [laughter] 3331 02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:35,440 Andrew Jackson, planning director for 3332 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,560 Grand County. Uh the application is for 3333 02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,639 an ordinance amending the Grand County 3334 02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:43,360 zoning map from range and grazing to 3335 02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,679 resort commercial for Mini Lee Ventures 3336 02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:50,320 LLC for approximately 235 acres located 3337 02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,360 on lots one and two western half the 3338 02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:56,000 northeast quarter the northern half of 3339 02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,880 the northwest quarter of section 36 3340 02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:03,119 township 2 25 south range 21 east Salt 3341 02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:05,280 Lake Base and Meridian excluding 3342 02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:09,199 property sold to Mov city parcel number 3343 02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:13,830 03-0036-0063 3344 02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:17,119 in Grand County, Utah. 3345 02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:19,280 The scheme family is requesting a zoning 3346 02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:21,599 map amendment for the property changing 3347 02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:24,719 it from range and grazing to resort 3348 02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:27,760 commercial to support various outdoor 3349 02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:31,199 recreation uses both primary and 3350 02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:33,520 secondary in line with the Grand County 3351 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:36,320 Land Use Code. The zone change aligns 3352 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:38,400 with the future land use plan for 3353 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:41,520 Spanish Valley adopted on December 17th, 3354 02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,480 2024, which involve repeating and 3355 02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:48,000 replacing section six of the land use 3356 02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,199 section of the 2030 general plan. The 3357 02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:52,960 applicant appeared before the planning 3358 02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:56,400 commission on April 14th of 2025 to 3359 02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:58,800 present their plans for the property. 3360 02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:00,320 The planning commission provided 3361 02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,800 extensive feedback including requests 3362 02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:05,840 for more details on issues such as 3363 02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:08,800 annexation status, infrastructure and 3364 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:12,639 access, use intent and scope, food 3365 02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:16,079 truck, uh offhighway vehicle accessible 3366 02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,880 event space, future land use plan 3367 02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:21,360 alignment and environmental and scenic 3368 02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:24,000 protection. The applicant responded to 3369 02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:26,400 the feedback in a letter sent on July 3370 02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:29,760 22nd, 2025 addressing a comment from 3371 02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:31,520 both the planning commission and the 3372 02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:34,800 public. Please see the attached 3373 02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:38,400 um letter from Miss Steam that's in the 3374 02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:40,239 packet. At the planning commission 3375 02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:41,840 meeting, it was suggested that the 3376 02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:46,079 applicant obtain obtain a letter from a 3377 02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:48,239 city regarding the city's interest in 3378 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:51,360 annexation. State law does not require a 3379 02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:53,440 property to be annexed into the city 3380 02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:55,360 unless the property owner wants to be 3381 02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:57,599 annexed except if the property owner 3382 02:11:57,599 --> 02:12:00,159 owns less than 50% of the property in 3383 02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:03,840 the act annexation petition. 3384 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:09,119 Ben County Code states 9.1.11 3385 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,119 require municipal notice of urban 3386 02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:13,520 development proposed residential 3387 02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,760 development with more than 15 dwelling 3388 02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:19,040 units and an average greater than one 3389 02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,920 residential unit per acre or any 3390 02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:23,920 proposed commercial development with a 3391 02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:27,760 cost projection of greater than $750,000 3392 02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,159 that is in the municipality's proposed 3393 02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:33,360 annexation area is subject to municipal 3394 02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,480 review. The steam request does not 3395 02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:39,360 include any residential dwellings and 3396 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,159 improvements are less than $750,000. 3397 02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:45,040 So, it is not uh subject to municipal 3398 02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,760 review. Additionally, a request was made 3399 02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:50,719 for a more recent title report. Miss 3400 02:12:50,719 --> 02:12:53,440 Dean has submitted a clean preliminary 3401 02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:56,560 retital title report dated March 31st of 3402 02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,239 2026. 3403 02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:00,480 advocate appeared before the planning 3404 02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:04,079 commission on March 23rd, 2026 for a 3405 02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:06,800 public hearing regarding the zone change 3406 02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,639 uh from range of grazing to resort 3407 02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:10,719 commercial. After public comment, 3408 02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:12,239 Commissioner Randy Day made the 3409 02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,000 following motion. Having considered a 3410 02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16,079 staff report and recommendations, public 3411 02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:18,960 comments, testimony, a future land use 3412 02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:21,760 map for Spanish, the land use code, and 3413 02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:23,920 finding that the mini lee venture steam 3414 02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,320 application for a zoning map amendment 3415 02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,880 complies with the Grand County, Utah 3416 02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:32,639 future land use plan for Spanish Valley. 3417 02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:35,119 He recommended approval of the ordinance 3418 02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:37,679 to the county commissioner. Uh, 3419 02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:39,599 Commissioner Plant Commissioner Megan 3420 02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:41,679 and Schaefer second the motion. Motion 3421 02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:46,239 passed. Five in favor with two opposed. 3422 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:50,790 >> Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. 3423 02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,920 » We have the applicants here. Do they 3424 02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:55,280 want to speak or are they here? 3425 02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:57,520 >> Ask Stephen question. Do they want to 3426 02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:59,040 come up and speak? 3427 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:00,480 >> Can I ask Stephen a question? [laughter] 3428 02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,040 >> Go ahead and ask Stephen. I got some 3429 02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,840 exparte communication 3430 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:10,000 and I'm not sure if I have to would to 3431 02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,639 disclose that or if I have to read it 3432 02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:14,159 into the record 3433 02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:16,320 >> for commissioners. You guys aren't 3434 02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:18,480 subject to the same requirements that 3435 02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:20,880 the uh the planning commission has. If 3436 02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,079 there was if there was a if there was an 3437 02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:26,719 investment or if there was some other uh 3438 02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:28,239 conflict of interest or restricted 3439 02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:29,840 conflict of interest, he would disclose 3440 02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:32,880 that normally. Um, but it's not the 3441 02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:34,880 exact same as the planning commission. 3442 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:36,000 But if there's something that you want 3443 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:37,440 to disclose, you're always welcome to 3444 02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:38,960 disclose. 3445 02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:41,199 >> Oh, okay. Well, I I will disclose. I did 3446 02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:44,800 get a letter from 3447 02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:48,480 >> I think we all I Yeah, but I I I 3448 02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:51,199 was told when the Carmichael property 3449 02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:53,679 years ago that you weren't supposed to 3450 02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:54,320 communicate 3451 02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:56,000 >> and it would be I haven't received a 3452 02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,960 copy of that. Um, I would appreciate if 3453 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:00,159 any commissioner could forward that to 3454 02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:01,440 me and then I can look at it and then 3455 02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:02,400 follow up with you. 3456 02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,280 >> Okay. Cuz Yeah, cuz I was told 3457 02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:08,079 that that was not okay. Okay. At one 3458 02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:08,400 point 3459 02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:09,599 >> forward that to me and then I'll I'll 3460 02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,119 review it and then I'll I'll make 3461 02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:12,400 recommendations based on that. 3462 02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,400 >> Okay. I'll for you right now. 3463 02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:15,440 >> Thank you. 3464 02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,079 >> Okay. Will you introduce yourself, 3465 02:15:18,079 --> 02:15:18,480 please? 3466 02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:20,960 >> Hi, my name is Ashley Steam. 3467 02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:25,280 >> I'm Mark Sting, Ashley's father. 3468 02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:27,280 Um, I did email each of the 3469 02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:30,000 commissioners and I'll be happy to read 3470 02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,679 that email here so that it's into the 3471 02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:33,920 public record. Um, each commissioner's 3472 02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,000 email is listed on the Grand County 3473 02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,920 website and there's no stipulation 3474 02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,400 saying what you can and cannot email 3475 02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,520 them about. So, I apologize. I'm just a 3476 02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:45,520 land owner. I'm not a developer. 3477 02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,320 >> Email us about anything. So, we just 3478 02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:50,639 totally fine. 3479 02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:52,719 >> As I said, I am a land owner, not a 3480 02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,159 developer. 3481 02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:55,599 I'm the owner of the property that is 3482 02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:57,360 the subject of a request for a zoning 3483 02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:59,360 change from range and grazing to resort 3484 02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:00,880 commercial. 3485 02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:02,719 We are asking for your approval of this 3486 02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:04,560 zoning change request because it 3487 02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,119 recognizes both the longstanding and 3488 02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:09,599 current commercial use of our property 3489 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:11,679 and will allow for future legal 3490 02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:14,400 commercial activities on this land. The 3491 02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:15,760 current [clears throat] zone of range 3492 02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:18,800 and grazing does not apply to our land. 3493 02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:20,560 This property has never been used for 3494 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,119 grazing or raising cattle. The only 3495 02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,199 agricultural use of this land is that 3496 02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,119 decades ago, 3497 02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:28,800 it was part of a route for driving 3498 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:30,960 cattle to and from the Lasal Mountains 3499 02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,920 for summer grazing. This land is not 3500 02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:37,040 suitable for grazing cattle. 3501 02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:38,960 The Ravens Room Zipline business has 3502 02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:40,639 been operating on our property since 3503 02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:43,760 2013. It is a wellestablished, highly 3504 02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:46,319 rated tourist attraction and a unique 3505 02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:49,439 outdoor experience in Moab. The Ravens 3506 02:16:49,439 --> 02:16:51,280 Room Zipline is one of the few zip lines 3507 02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:52,960 in the United States with starting and 3508 02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:55,920 landing points without platforms. Each 3509 02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:57,760 zipline starts and ends on solid 3510 02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:00,559 sandstone. It includes an exciting 3511 02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:02,639 off-road drive in all train vehicles 3512 02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:04,880 from the valley floor to the first of 3513 02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:06,800 six zip lines that are unlike anything 3514 02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:09,599 else in the area. Guests consistently 3515 02:17:09,599 --> 02:17:11,120 describe it as one of the highlights of 3516 02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,920 their Moab experience. Under the current 3517 02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:15,599 management, the business has increased 3518 02:17:15,599 --> 02:17:16,880 the number of guests enjoying the 3519 02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:19,359 zipline. And Raven's Rim wants to add 3520 02:17:19,359 --> 02:17:22,240 the following attractions. One, guided 3521 02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:25,519 repel course. Two, recreational climbing 3522 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,639 zone. Three, food truck and shaded rest 3523 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:30,479 area for Slick Rock Bike Trail and Hells 3524 02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:34,399 Revenge users. Four, OV accessible event 3525 02:17:34,399 --> 02:17:38,479 space. Five, additional zipline courses. 3526 02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:40,160 The Ravens Room Zipline currently 3527 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,719 employs around 20 guides. These are some 3528 02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,960 of the highest paid guides in the area. 3529 02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:49,439 Many earn $4 to $500 a day just in tips. 3530 02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:51,200 This expansion would allow Ravens Room 3531 02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:53,920 to increase their workforce. 3532 02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,679 I'd now like to address the concerns and 3533 02:17:55,679 --> 02:17:57,120 objections that were raised before the 3534 02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,359 planning commission. Commissioner Robert 3535 02:17:59,359 --> 02:18:01,280 O'Brien argued that this zoning change 3536 02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,280 would allow some future owner to 3537 02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:05,679 construct five homes per acre on this 3538 02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:08,639 property for a total of 1,175 3539 02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:10,960 houses. This assertion is easily 3540 02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:12,639 disproved. 3541 02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:14,880 The geology and topography of this land 3542 02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:17,040 makes most of it totally unsuitable for 3543 02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:19,599 home sites and it is not our intention 3544 02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:22,399 to construct any homes. 3545 02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:25,120 This is not an agrarian landscape. It is 3546 02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,599 not a flat alalfa field or a peach tree 3547 02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:29,920 orchard. 3548 02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,920 >> In fact, more than half of this land is 3549 02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:33,920 completely uninhabitable. 3550 02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:35,679 There are two types of sandstone on this 3551 02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,679 property. The Cayanta sandstone and 3552 02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:40,639 Navajo sandstone. Broad bench below the 3553 02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:42,960 Big G is entirely composed of Caya 3554 02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:45,040 sandstone which is very competent 3555 02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:47,679 sandstone formation that is resistant to 3556 02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:49,760 erosion and forms a bare rock surface 3557 02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,639 with very little top soil. 3558 02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:54,240 The property inside the sandots 3559 02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:56,240 recreation is comprised almost entirely 3560 02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,800 of Navajo sandstone. The Navajo 3561 02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:00,399 sandstone gets weathered into rounded 3562 02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:02,719 domes and fins which make for exciting 3563 02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:04,800 biking and off-roading but makes it 3564 02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:06,639 unsuitable for the construction of homes 3565 02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:08,399 or dwellings. 3566 02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:11,120 Planning Commissioner member Mary Hawine 3567 02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:14,160 stated that our property was in an area 3568 02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,160 where the overarching philosophy should 3569 02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:19,200 be do no harm. The Hell's Revenge Trail 3570 02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:21,840 is notable for many things, but doing no 3571 02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:23,439 harm to the surface of the Navajo 3572 02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:26,240 sandstone isn't one of them. 3573 02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:28,639 More than 100,000 visitors on bicycles 3574 02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:30,960 and off-road vehicles are enjoying the 3575 02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:32,800 use of the trail easements our family 3576 02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:36,559 granted in 1968 and 2013. 3577 02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:38,880 However, as seen in map four of our 3578 02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:41,040 packet, thousands of off-road vehicles 3579 02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:43,040 are trespassing off the deed easement to 3580 02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,599 visit the Devil's Hot Tub. 3581 02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:47,280 Our goal is to allow the Ravens Room 3582 02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:48,800 Zipline to add to the excitement and 3583 02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:50,560 enjoyment of the visitors who venture up 3584 02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:53,680 above Moab's Big G. This is a request to 3585 02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:56,160 align zoning with reality, support an 3586 02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,479 existing and successful local business, 3587 02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:00,560 and allow for controlled, appropriate 3588 02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:02,640 use of a uniquely situated, 3589 02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:04,880 privatelyowned property within a 3590 02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:07,439 recreationdriven economy. Thank you for 3591 02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:10,399 considering our application. 3592 02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:13,120 >> Thank you. So, the county commission 3593 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:14,880 does not vote on this tonight. It's just 3594 02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:16,880 a public hearing, so we won't even, I 3595 02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:18,399 don't think, ask questions. We're just 3596 02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:21,760 here to listen to everything and that's 3597 02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:23,600 all. It's going to be 3 minutes. You 3598 02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:24,800 have three minutes to speak. There's 3599 02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,240 going to be a timer up here. When it 3600 02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,080 turns to red, please wrap up your 3601 02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,439 comments. I don't want to have to ask 3602 02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:31,760 you to stop speaking. Okay. Mark, did 3603 02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:33,439 you have something to say as well? 3604 02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:36,720 >> Uh, yes. I've uh prepared a handout that 3605 02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:39,120 I'd like to give all of you and the 3606 02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:41,120 public and entered into the record. Is 3607 02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:41,760 that possible? 3608 02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:42,880 >> Yeah. 3609 02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:45,600 >> Okay. So, how many are you up there? 3610 02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:47,840 >> Seven. We have seven. And then our admin 3611 02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,280 will make sure that it gets into the 3612 02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:51,200 packet 3613 02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:59,190 one for our county attorney. 3614 02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:06,550 » So I have a short statement. 3615 02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:08,560 I believe that those of you who are 3616 02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:10,640 concerned about this loan land being 3617 02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,240 resold 3618 02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:13,920 are overlooking several things about 3619 02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:18,319 this property. The claim that 1,175 3620 02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:20,240 homes could ever be stuffed on a few 3621 02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:22,880 acres that are fairly flat and buildable 3622 02:21:22,880 --> 02:21:25,200 apparently false and being used to scare 3623 02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:26,960 up opposition to the reszoning 3624 02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:28,560 application. 3625 02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:30,240 More than half this parcel is 3626 02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:32,640 uninhabitable because it's located in 3627 02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:34,479 the Navajo sandstone where the Slick 3628 02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:36,640 Rock Bicycle Trail and Hell's Revenge or 3629 02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:39,200 HB trail are located. 3630 02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:40,960 And as my daughter probably got great 3631 02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:44,000 land for riding mountain bikes and 3632 02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,240 blasting around on ter all-terrain 3633 02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:49,520 vehicles, how no one, no sane person 3634 02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:50,880 would want to build a home in the middle 3635 02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:52,640 of this overcrowded, overheated 3636 02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,160 landscape. 3637 02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:55,680 At least a fourth of the rest of this 3638 02:21:55,680 --> 02:22:00,479 property is a steep, unbuildable cliffs. 3639 02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:04,160 There's a hillside slope restriction on 3640 02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:07,760 building on that slope. My old man 3641 02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:09,840 didn't get the memo. 3642 02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:13,520 So I don't think anybody is going to 3643 02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:16,080 attempt under the current restrictions 3644 02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,920 to build on that slope. So if you look 3645 02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,760 at the map 3646 02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:23,120 that uh is nearly a fourth of the actual 3647 02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,399 flat parcel. So if you look at this, we 3648 02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:28,880 have narrow sandstone where this is 3649 02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:31,200 inside the Hell's Revenge and the Slick 3650 02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:34,399 Rock Bike Trail and the zipline. And 3651 02:22:34,399 --> 02:22:36,800 then we have this small area 3652 02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:40,800 a stiff of steep cliffs where nobody but 3653 02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:43,920 my old man's going to ever build a home. 3654 02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:46,319 And then you have basically the Cayenta 3655 02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:51,040 formation which I can't imagine could 3656 02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:54,240 accommodate more than there's no way 3657 02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:56,399 could accommodate 1,175 3658 02:22:56,399 --> 02:23:00,160 homes. So, you know, if someone wants to 3659 02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:02,240 buy those home sites and take them off 3660 02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:05,280 the market, we'll sell them for $1,000 a 3661 02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,080 home site. That's that's a million 3662 02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,680 bucks. Want to buy 500, take them off 3663 02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:15,120 the market, $500,000. Don't want to just 3664 02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:17,520 buy 20 whatever somewhere feels that 3665 02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,439 we're going to somehow develop that 3666 02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:21,680 property. We're ready to take it off the 3667 02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:24,080 market. I can't imagine that anyone 3668 02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:27,200 would do that other than trying to scare 3669 02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:28,880 up a lot of people who believe that 3670 02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:31,680 someday they're going to be 5,000 people 3671 02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:34,880 living up there. So when you talk about 3672 02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:37,520 doing no harm, 3673 02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:41,520 I find this humorous because when I used 3674 02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,280 to go up there, when I was a kid, we 3675 02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:46,000 used to go hiking up there. Uh it was 3676 02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:50,240 pristine. The longest black rubber tired 3677 02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:53,600 skid mark in the world is on that 3678 02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:56,800 property now. And I I go up there and 3679 02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:58,640 I'm just amazed. I'm sure all of you 3680 02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:01,520 are. I was amazed when the bicycling 3681 02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:04,240 trail how many people were enjoying it. 3682 02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:07,359 When I saw the uh off-road vehicles, I 3683 02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:09,840 couldn't believe it. And yet, it doesn't 3684 02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,439 bother me because it's a big part of 3685 02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:14,000 what draws people to this town. I don't 3686 02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:17,359 know what the percentage of the income 3687 02:24:17,359 --> 02:24:21,600 revenue is, but it must be 20 or 30% of 3688 02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,080 what this town receives. 3689 02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:25,920 And we're not trying to disturb any of 3690 02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:28,720 that. We're just trying to get some of 3691 02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:30,720 the value, the commercial value of the 3692 02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:33,600 property that my daughter owns. So, 3693 02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:35,600 thank you for your time and looking 3694 02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:38,000 forward to 3695 02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:41,520 uh hearing the comments the public and 3696 02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:43,920 uh we'll be I'd also invite any of you 3697 02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:45,760 who would like to come to the property 3698 02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:49,280 and get a tour. Uh the zipline people 3699 02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:51,439 would be glad to arrange that and you 3700 02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:53,680 can see what's going on up there and 3701 02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:58,800 realize how um busy the place is during 3702 02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:01,520 the hike. 3703 02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:03,600 Thank you. It is busy. Thank you. Thank 3704 02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:06,319 you. Okay, so we're going to start the 3705 02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:08,800 public um comments and I'm going to go 3706 02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:10,479 ahead and start online tonight because 3707 02:25:10,479 --> 02:25:12,160 we've had some people been waiting for a 3708 02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:13,840 while. So, I'm going to go ahead and let 3709 02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:17,920 Bob O'Brien go first if he's there 3710 02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:21,600 and then Troy or Troy, sorry, will go 3711 02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:26,640 after Bob and move back into the room. 3712 02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:28,479 And like I said, we do have a timer 3713 02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,880 here. So when it gets to red, please 3714 02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:32,880 wrap your comments up immediately and 3715 02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:35,280 move on to the next person. It sounds 3716 02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:36,560 like 3717 02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:41,270 >> All right, Bob, are you on there? 3718 02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:44,880 » Maybe not. What about Tori? 3719 02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:45,840 >> I'm here. 3720 02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,800 >> Okay, Tori, go ahead and start with you. 3721 02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:51,840 >> I'm just going to ask you to not reszone 3722 02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:57,280 this as a resort commercial. 3723 02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:59,600 just the possibility. Okay, there's a 3724 02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:02,800 house out here in the cliff in the 3725 02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:05,359 Navajo sandstone that was blasted out by 3726 02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:09,200 dynamite. Nobody ever thought, "Oh, they 3727 02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:11,359 could build right there in the cliff." 3728 02:26:11,359 --> 02:26:15,120 But they did. Um, we just received our 3729 02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:18,319 dark sky designation from Moab. Building 3730 02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:20,800 on the skyline is one of the worst 3731 02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:26,389 things you can do for your visual 3732 02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:30,856 uh perception of the night sky. Okay. Um 3733 02:26:30,856 --> 02:26:31,920 [clears throat] 3734 02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,600 to allow a a resort commercial to where 3735 02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:38,640 there could possibly be five five homes 3736 02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:41,520 per acre when you could do a resort 3737 02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:44,319 special. 3738 02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:46,880 Just seems counterintuitive. 3739 02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:48,880 uh with everything that we're trying to 3740 02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:51,040 do. If you look at the St. George 3741 02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:53,920 skyline 30 years ago, 35 years ago when 3742 02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:56,160 I lived there, nobody would have even 3743 02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:58,720 imagined that there would be houses 3744 02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:03,040 along every cliff face in St. George. 3745 02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:05,280 There are. And they're not houses, 3746 02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:07,439 they're McMansions. 3747 02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:10,880 So, don't you know uh discount the fact 3748 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:15,280 that people will build. If you zone it, 3749 02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:17,840 they will find a way. 3750 02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:20,640 Um, I would really like to see this 3751 02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:23,359 commission making more community 3752 02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:26,319 enhancing decisions rather than business 3753 02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:29,200 and touristen enriching decisions that 3754 02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,920 has been happening recently. 3755 02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:35,600 We need to protect our little gem of a 3756 02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:38,240 town in the desert that we're so 3757 02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:41,359 fortunate to have. So, if you feel like 3758 02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:44,399 you must reszone this to allow for their 3759 02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:47,600 food truck or for some tourist activity 3760 02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:49,359 up there, and I know there's activity up 3761 02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:52,160 there. I've hiked up there, then do it 3762 02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:55,680 resort special and at least you would 3763 02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:58,800 you wouldn't open the door for a huge 3764 02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:00,319 development 3765 02:28:00,319 --> 02:28:03,359 up on the cliff. I appreciate all of 3766 02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:06,240 your work. Thank you. 3767 02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:08,640 >> Thank you. All right, Bob. I see you 3768 02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:12,399 now. Let's go ahead and move to you. 3769 02:28:12,399 --> 02:28:13,359 Thank you. 3770 02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:16,960 >> Okay. So, uh Bob O'Brien, Castle Valley. 3771 02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:23,760 Um basically, I think I'd echo what uh Tori said. Uh resort commercial 3772 02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:27,520 allows for five houses per acre. Uh 3773 02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:30,000 resort special allows for one for five 3774 02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:34,880 acres. I think for this area, uh resort 3775 02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:39,359 special uh is preferable. Uh it's just 3776 02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:42,479 the same density as range and grazing. I 3777 02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:44,399 do understand they don't think they're 3778 02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:46,479 going to be building. They don't think 3779 02:28:46,479 --> 02:28:48,399 that people after them are going to be 3780 02:28:48,399 --> 02:28:52,399 building, but I think it's a bad idea to 3781 02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:55,040 give the same density we have in our 3782 02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:59,680 county uh land use code for um 3783 02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:04,720 uh what is it? neighbor our our uh small 3784 02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:07,280 lot residential which is five units per 3785 02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:09,840 acre. That's residential kind of 3786 02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:11,760 building and I don't think we ought to 3787 02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,800 be giving that kind of zoning away in 3788 02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:16,479 this particular case. I'm going to quote 3789 02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:19,120 quickly from our land use code. I don't 3790 02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:23,680 think either of these two things, resort 3791 02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:28,479 commercial or resort special are ideal 3792 02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:31,280 uh and fit this area terribly well. But 3793 02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:33,120 I do believe that either one of them 3794 02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:35,280 could be used if one wanted to make that 3795 02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:37,840 decision. Here's Resort Commercial. It's 3796 02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:40,720 intended to promote site design concepts 3797 02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:42,640 implemented in the Moab Grand County 3798 02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:45,680 North Gateway Plan in an amendment to 3799 02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:49,359 the Grand County Plan. The dis the uh 3800 02:29:49,359 --> 02:29:51,840 the district is designed to create a 3801 02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:54,640 positive impression of the city of Moab 3802 02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,399 and Grand County and encourage mixed 3803 02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:59,200 residential and commercial development 3804 02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:01,520 including resort guest and local 3805 02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:04,319 oriented commercials uses in an urban 3806 02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:07,439 setting doesn't fit terribly well. I 3807 02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:09,600 think it course can be used because I 3808 02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:12,640 don't think it has to be exactly along 3809 02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:16,240 191. Same thing for resort special. 3810 02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,720 is specifically designed 3811 02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,800 to implement the scenic resource 3812 02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,120 protection district codified in section 3813 02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:24,640 4.8. 3814 02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:27,520 The zone is intended to be the prefer 3815 02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:30,160 preferred zone for the area defined by 3816 02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:33,760 the boundary map in section 4.8.2. 3817 02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:37,680 Basically, that's highway 191 and 313. 3818 02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:40,640 It was designed uh to be the preferred 3819 02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:42,960 zone for that area, but I think it can 3820 02:30:42,960 --> 02:30:46,240 be used uh for other areas. I think both 3821 02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:48,880 of these can. They just don't fit uh 3822 02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:52,399 terribly well. Um 3823 02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:54,479 let's see what else I want to say. 3824 02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:56,960 Basically, the resort commercial zone 3825 02:30:56,960 --> 02:31:00,479 allows a density that's 25 times greater 3826 02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:04,240 than that that's currently allowed. Uh 3827 02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,080 and that's kind of the density that we 3828 02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:07,600 would have that for compact 3829 02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:11,280 neighborhoods. Um, and I know it's going 3830 02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,600 to be argued and I understand it's going 3831 02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:15,520 to be very difficult to build much 3832 02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:17,840 density up in sand flats or maybe even 3833 02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:20,960 along the cliffs. Uh, and I I have to 3834 02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:23,680 agree with that. But the density that 3835 02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,080 this allows, 3836 02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:28,399 five units per acre like small lot 3837 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,560 residential just shouldn't be allowed in 3838 02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:33,840 this area. And it would be easy to make 3839 02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,640 this resort special. It's actually a 3840 02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:39,600 dangerous precedent. I don't really want 3841 02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:42,319 to draw this uh comparison because it's 3842 02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:46,160 not absolutely uh clear, you know, that 3843 02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:48,399 this would be similar, but I think lots 3844 02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:49,840 of people thought that Cane Creek was 3845 02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:51,840 going to be a campground and now it's 3846 02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:54,399 going to become a town. Oh, but you 3847 02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:55,920 couldn't get a sewer there. You couldn't 3848 02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:56,560 get water. 3849 02:31:56,560 --> 02:31:58,000 >> Thank you. It's been three minutes. I 3850 02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,200 hate to cut you off, Bob. I'm sorry. 3851 02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:02,800 >> We have a lot. 3852 02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:06,080 >> That's great. Okay. All right. And so 3853 02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:08,399 let's start with we've got a hand up 3854 02:32:08,399 --> 02:32:10,319 here. She's come back. She came back. 3855 02:32:10,319 --> 02:32:12,560 Sorry. Black shirt. [laughter] 3856 02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:14,720 I left my class to come talk to you. 3857 02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:17,600 >> Come back. Thank you. 3858 02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,880 My name's Amy Johnson. 3859 02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:23,680 I live here in Miami. Uh the resoning to 3860 02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,600 resort commercial of esteemed property 3861 02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:28,240 is dangerous. You may think that there 3862 02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,455 is no way roads or services can be 3863 02:32:30,455 --> 02:32:31,680 [clears throat] built to allow for 3864 02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:33,520 community up there, but we don't know 3865 02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:36,800 that. I'm a geological engineer. The 3866 02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:38,800 advances in the next 20 years could be 3867 02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:41,920 amazing for building on Navajo sandstone 3868 02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:46,080 or Cayenta. Um, it's irresponsible to 3869 02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:48,800 assume that the result won't be utilized 3870 02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:51,280 by some future developer. 3871 02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:53,439 The stains want it zoomed that way so 3872 02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:55,439 they can get maximum money for the sale 3873 02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:58,720 of their property. Plain and clear. I 3874 02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:01,920 fully support denying this reszone or at 3875 02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,479 the very least just doing a spot reszone 3876 02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:06,319 for the little food truck thing they 3877 02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:10,800 need. Um, and leaving the rest as it is. 3878 02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:13,200 You should have learned your lesson from 3879 02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:15,920 the Cane Creek disaster. We really don't 3880 02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:18,271 just repeat that. Don't doubt it. 3881 02:33:18,271 --> 02:33:21,030 [applause] 3882 02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:24,080 I am a mountain biker and I love riding 3883 02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:26,319 in the Sand Plats area. I go mountain 3884 02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:28,960 biking to enjoy nature, not to grab 3885 02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,439 lunch at a food truck. I go mountain 3886 02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:34,479 biking to get away from food trucks. I'd 3887 02:33:34,479 --> 02:33:35,840 like to finish with a quote from my 3888 02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:39,200 favorite musical Hamilton. [laughter] 3889 02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:46,426 History has its eyes on you. 3890 02:33:46,436 --> 02:33:48,240 [applause] 3891 02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:50,160 Andrea, do you want to come up? 3892 02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:51,520 >> Yeah. And just so we can move through 3893 02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,040 this, we have a lot or else I'll have to 3894 02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:55,600 stop. I mean, if we get an hour in, I'll 3895 02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:58,080 stop the comments. Can't go on all night 3896 02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:06,710 long. So, let's move along. 3897 02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:08,479 » We can set them at a time, but we can we 3898 02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:09,760 just need to move along so that we can 3899 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:12,000 just get them all done. Public record. 3900 02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:14,560 >> Okay. Uh Grant County Commissioners uh 3901 02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:16,160 Samplex Recreationary Stewardship 3902 02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:18,160 Committee is by resolution an advisory 3903 02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:19,840 body authorized to provide the Grant 3904 02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:22,000 County Commission with facts, analysis, 3905 02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:23,760 and recommendations on matters related 3906 02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:26,000 to Sandflats. On April 6th, the 3907 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:27,840 committee met to consider a general 3908 02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:29,760 resone application submitted by Mini Lee 3909 02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:32,640 Ventures LLC. The application requests a 3910 02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:34,399 change from range and grazing to resort 3911 02:34:34,399 --> 02:34:37,600 commercial for a 235 acre parcel located 3912 02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:40,800 at 1021 North Hell's Revenge Trail. 3913 02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:42,399 Grand County holds a perfected easement 3914 02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:44,000 for the Helerbench Trail across this 3915 02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,000 parcel and the BLM holds a perfected 3916 02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:47,520 easement for the Slick Rock Bike Trail 3917 02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:49,439 across this parcel. The committee 3918 02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:51,040 reviewed the proposal with particular 3919 02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:52,960 attention to its potential impacts on 3920 02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:55,120 visitor experience, operations, and 3921 02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:57,200 natural resources. 3922 02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:58,880 Some background, the Sand Flats 3923 02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:00,479 Recreation Area is nationally recognized 3924 02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:01,920 for the Slick Rock Bike Trail and the 3925 02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:04,479 Hell's Revenge OV trail, both designated 3926 02:35:04,479 --> 02:35:06,880 national recreation trails. Samplat 3927 02:35:06,880 --> 02:35:09,120 receives more than 250,000 visitors 3928 02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:11,600 annually and contributes over $25 3929 02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:15,359 million to the local economy. Of the 99 3930 02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:17,920 businesses operating under BLM special 3931 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:21,280 recreation permits within SAM Flats, 75 3932 02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:24,000 are local businesses. 13 permitted 3933 02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,520 events occur annually, including 3934 02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:27,120 mountain bike races and four-wheel drive 3935 02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:29,200 events such as the Jeep Safari. Each 3936 02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:31,359 year, approximately 60,000 vehicles 3937 02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:33,680 travel to Hellzer Venge Trail and over 3938 02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,399 75,000 users ride the Slick Rock Bike 3939 02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:39,200 Trail. Concerns: Reszoing this property 3940 02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:40,560 for range and grazing to resort 3941 02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,080 commercial would allow development at 3942 02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:44,160 the highest intensity permitted under 3943 02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:46,000 the land use code. While the existing 3944 02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:48,000 Rapens Rim zip line operates under a 3945 02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:50,240 conditional use permit, the applicant's 3946 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:52,479 proposed expansion could likely be 3947 02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:55,040 accommodated through through a CUP 3948 02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:57,040 amendment or under resort special 3949 02:35:57,040 --> 02:35:59,120 zoning. This zoning would allow 3950 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:01,439 approximately 0.2 units per acre, 3951 02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:04,800 capping development at roughly 47 units. 3952 02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:06,560 Instead, the applicant seeks resort 3953 02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:08,000 commercial zoning, which allows up to 3954 02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:10,000 five residential units per acre. At full 3955 02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:11,439 buildout, this would permit 3956 02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:14,960 approximately 1,175 residential units on 3957 02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:16,640 a parcel that surrounds segments of both 3958 02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:18,080 the Slick Rock Bike Trail and the Hell's 3959 02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:20,319 Revenge OV trail. Although the applicant 3960 02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:22,720 has stated that large-scale resort 3961 02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:24,800 development is not currently intended, 3962 02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:26,399 such development would be allowed by 3963 02:36:26,399 --> 02:36:27,920 right under this zoning decision 3964 02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:29,600 regardless of the future ownership. 3965 02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:31,280 Resort commercial zoning would also 3966 02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,359 require roadway improvements to 3967 02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:35,520 commercial standards. Given that legal 3968 02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:37,760 access to the property is via the class 3969 02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:40,160 D road near the hot tubs, this would 3970 02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:42,560 likely necessitate paving portions of 3971 02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:45,040 the Hell's Revenge Trail. Such changes 3972 02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:47,120 would fundamentally alter the character 3973 02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:49,280 of the trail system and diminish the 3974 02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:51,280 experience that supports local guiding 3975 02:36:51,280 --> 02:36:53,760 businesses and recreational users. The 3976 02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:55,920 economic impact on the 75 local 3977 02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:58,080 businesses operating under BLM permits 3978 02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:00,160 could be substantial with corresponding 3979 02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:02,160 effects on the broader local economy. 3980 02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:03,920 The committee also noted that allowing 3981 02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:05,439 alternative access points from the 3982 02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:07,600 Hellsbench exit road could compromise 3983 02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:09,439 Sandflat's ability to manage its trail 3984 02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:11,520 system. This includes impacts to revenue 3985 02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:13,520 collection, visitor safety, orientation, 3986 02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:16,319 and resource protection. 3987 02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:17,840 For these reasons, the Sample 3988 02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:20,000 Stewardship Committee voted to recommend 3989 02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,000 denial of the reszone application in its 3990 02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:23,920 current form, finding that it conflicts 3991 02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:25,200 with the established management 3992 02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:27,040 objectives of the Samplat recreation 3993 02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:31,359 area. Respectfully, Andrea Branch chair. 3994 02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:34,000 Thank you. 3995 02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:35,120 >> Speed reading. 3996 02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:37,920 Yes. Next. Come on up, 3997 02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:40,000 Audrey. 3998 02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:44,550 about two or three. 3999 02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:47,040 » Hi everybody. 4000 02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:48,720 Uh I'm Audrey Graham, resident and 4001 02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:50,399 homeowner for 42 years here in Grand 4002 02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:52,560 County, Grand County Commissioner from 4003 02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:55,680 2004 to 2012. So you could throw around 4004 02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:58,240 and wait for quite a while. [laughter] 4005 02:37:58,240 --> 02:37:59,760 Um 4006 02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:03,199 the Steam family has indeed uh con 4007 02:38:03,199 --> 02:38:05,200 [clears throat] contributed lots to our 4008 02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:08,240 community clearly land and recreation. 4009 02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:10,399 This is not about the Steam family. Um, 4010 02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:13,520 we're very grateful, but we have been 4011 02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:17,200 pies too many times. In 1998, many 4012 02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:18,560 people don't remember this or know it, 4013 02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:20,800 but Bill Browder asked for an upzone of 4014 02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:22,399 30 acres along Sand Flats Road 4015 02:38:22,399 --> 02:38:24,160 overlooking Moab. He wished to open a 4016 02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:28,319 resort with 240 units in a five in four 4017 02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:31,040 five-story buildings right there along 4018 02:38:31,040 --> 02:38:34,000 the Sand Flats Road that was on 30 4019 02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:37,280 acres. Quoting from the July 9th, 1998 4020 02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:39,200 Times Independent, 4021 02:38:39,200 --> 02:38:42,640 if the request is approved, he or future 4022 02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:44,560 owners of the land would not be limited 4023 02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:47,439 to any plan and could build whatever 4024 02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:49,439 facilities they wanted that fit within 4025 02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:52,479 the zoning and subdivision rules. End of 4026 02:38:52,479 --> 02:38:54,000 quote. 4027 02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:56,800 Forever, eternally, whatever you want to 4028 02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:00,000 say, the right lives with the land. 4029 02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:01,920 People are telling us telling you this 4030 02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:05,280 right and left and reminding you in 1998 4031 02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,520 I nominated the runes of our canyon of 4032 02:39:07,520 --> 02:39:09,280 our valley for our last chance 4033 02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:10,960 landscapes through an organization 4034 02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:12,960 called Scenic America. This was during 4035 02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:15,120 the time that our landfill was voted the 4036 02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:17,870 second most scenic landfill in 4037 02:39:17,870 --> 02:39:20,720 [laughter] the United States. Right. 4038 02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:24,399 >> Um the Moab rims were indeed voted among 4039 02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:27,120 America's 12 most endangered landscapes. 4040 02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:30,240 That was October of 1999. in this little 4041 02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:33,840 book. It made front page news and it was 4042 02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:36,240 exciting and it opened up the discussion 4043 02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:38,399 we needed to have and helped establish 4044 02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:41,040 the need and open have open conversation 4045 02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:43,359 and policy for hillside protections. 4046 02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:44,560 Since then, we've had all kinds of 4047 02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,240 revisions and updates to the general 4048 02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,800 plan and zoning and all the good things. 4049 02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:50,319 This is not about the proposed 4050 02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:52,319 development. It's about the resort 4051 02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:55,120 commercial zone being too broad and it's 4052 02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:58,880 about broken trust. 4053 02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:00,640 If the land owner wants a retirement 4054 02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:02,479 fund, let's get together and buy the 4055 02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:04,000 land at a fair price in the current 4056 02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:04,479 zoning. 4057 02:40:04,479 --> 02:40:05,200 >> Exactly. 4058 02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:06,880 >> Fine. 4059 02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:10,000 We have been here before. We've been 4060 02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:13,120 here with Can Creek. Sorry, Echo Canyon. 4061 02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:15,600 We've been here with Rock, Lion's Back, 4062 02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:18,399 the tunnels in the west proposed for the 4063 02:40:18,399 --> 02:40:20,319 West Rim. Remember those? That wasn't 4064 02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:23,760 that long ago. Um tunnels up to a a 4065 02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:32,000 development up there. And oh, the tram the trams to nowhere. So along 4066 02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:34,960 that line I would like to ask what are 4067 02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:36,720 the bonding arrangements for this 4068 02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:40,319 development? Who pays and when do they 4069 02:40:40,319 --> 02:40:42,640 pay for removal if this development 4070 02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:45,359 fails? 4071 02:40:45,359 --> 02:40:48,080 Let's I I if the landowners want to make 4072 02:40:48,080 --> 02:40:51,040 a living, let's get some safety, some 4073 02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:53,040 guarantees. 4074 02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:55,120 If they want to make a killing, let's 4075 02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:59,439 not be psies. We've been there before. 4076 02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:01,361 Thank you. 4077 02:41:01,361 --> 02:41:04,150 [applause] 4078 02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:05,760 » Go ahead and come up and then you in the 4079 02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:10,080 back will be right next after 4080 02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:12,880 school. [clears throat] 4081 02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:15,840 >> Hi, my name is Eric Hildenbrand. Uh I 4082 02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:17,760 want to echo a lot of what Audrey said. 4083 02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:19,280 Uh and I also want to thank the students 4084 02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:20,640 for coming and talking. I think that is 4085 02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:23,439 a much uh feeling a lot more actual 4086 02:41:23,439 --> 02:41:25,280 engagement with community. obviously, 4087 02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:26,560 you know, have been involved in the 4088 02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:28,160 community for a long time here than 4089 02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:29,760 feeling that not feeling that with Echo 4090 02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:32,240 Canyon. So, um, yeah, I mean, I think 4091 02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:33,600 people's concerns are coming from the 4092 02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:36,800 repeated trauma of, uh, seeing the same 4093 02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:38,399 pattern play out over and over again 4094 02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:40,240 with people, you know, requesting up 4095 02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:42,000 zones, reszoning now, leading to the 4096 02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:43,281 higher sale price, 4097 02:41:43,281 --> 02:41:44,160 [clears throat and cough] 4098 02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:45,439 and then big money interests don't 4099 02:41:45,439 --> 02:41:48,720 really care how unbuildable it seems to 4100 02:41:48,720 --> 02:41:52,160 us mere mortals. Um, and hotel companies 4101 02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:54,240 are operating with a completely 4102 02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:56,960 different scale of money than, you know, 4103 02:41:56,960 --> 02:41:58,640 we're operating with. So, they don't 4104 02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:00,640 really care that it's unbuildable. Uh, 4105 02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:01,920 and they have a lot of time to wait it 4106 02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:03,520 out. Uh, which we've seen with a lot of 4107 02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:06,640 these developments as well. Um, it seems 4108 02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:07,760 the current owners are doing this in 4109 02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:09,920 good faith. Uh, they can take additional 4110 02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:11,439 steps to ensure that our concerns are 4111 02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:14,479 alleviated. Uh, that can be specifically 4112 02:42:14,479 --> 02:42:16,240 they can enter into deed restrictions. 4113 02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:18,160 they could put the land in a land trust. 4114 02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:20,640 It restricts future use of of the land. 4115 02:42:20,640 --> 02:42:22,319 Uh they don't need to request the 4116 02:42:22,319 --> 02:42:25,600 highest zoning available for this. Um so 4117 02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:27,040 I urge the property owners to take the 4118 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:28,640 steps they can to guarantee us in the 4119 02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:30,399 next generation. We just won't turn into 4120 02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:35,110 another echoan. So thank you. 4121 02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:36,640 » I have an Emily online. You're going to 4122 02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:38,319 be after this gentleman. So if you want 4123 02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:40,880 to be ready. Thank you. 4124 02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,800 >> Hi my name is Jordan Listister. I'm a 4125 02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,720 Moab resident and I live in district 3 4126 02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:45,520 represented [clears throat] by 4127 02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:47,280 Commissioner Hadler. I would like to 4128 02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:49,040 highlight the concerns of the dissenting 4129 02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:50,640 members of the planning commission who 4130 02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:52,319 expressed concern for resoning with 4131 02:42:52,319 --> 02:42:54,720 Portell for the future. It would require 4132 02:42:54,720 --> 02:42:57,200 an intentionally myopic view to not see 4133 02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:58,960 the parallels between this reasonzoning 4134 02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:00,319 and the pending developments in 4135 02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:03,040 Cambridge. While it is perhaps unfair to 4136 02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:05,120 restrict future actions due to past 4137 02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:07,359 misactions, it would also be incredibly 4138 02:43:07,359 --> 02:43:10,479 foolish to not learn from past mistakes. 4139 02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:12,399 Additionally, it is my understanding the 4140 02:43:12,399 --> 02:43:13,760 entirety of the parcel is being 4141 02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:15,439 requested to be reszoned due to a 4142 02:43:15,439 --> 02:43:16,880 planning commission preference to not 4143 02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:18,960 allow further subdivisions and resonings 4144 02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:21,600 due to other past land use frustrations. 4145 02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:24,080 However, this case does seem like a good 4146 02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:25,840 candidate for just such peace meal 4147 02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:27,680 reszones if the commission wishes to 4148 02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:30,399 allow limited development in the area. 4149 02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:32,880 However, regardless of the size of 4150 02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:34,960 requested reszone, I would urge the 4151 02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:36,479 commission to not allow this to move 4152 02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:38,479 forward. the land directly above the 4153 02:43:38,479 --> 02:43:40,240 greater sand flats area and is crossed 4154 02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:42,080 by the slick rack bike and heler bench 4155 02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,560 trails. Adding concessionary business to 4156 02:43:44,560 --> 02:43:46,720 that area would alter its experience and 4157 02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:48,880 reduce its allure. The appeal of this 4158 02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:50,720 area is a sense of being in remote and 4159 02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:52,800 rugged red rock country despite being 4160 02:43:52,800 --> 02:43:55,040 only minutes from town. Encroaching 4161 02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:57,279 business development would imbue a tame 4162 02:43:57,279 --> 02:43:59,680 disified field that is counter to that 4163 02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:02,880 nature. It cheapens the experience. It 4164 02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:05,680 degrades the area. This area is our 4165 02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:07,680 shared natural backdrop. Fellow 4166 02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:10,240 residents and the visitors we all depend 4167 02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:12,960 on as a town. We value the scenic views 4168 02:44:12,960 --> 02:44:15,600 and outstretching vistas. Reszoning this 4169 02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:17,920 area into a commercial use category 4170 02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:20,000 jeopardizes our greatest shared resource 4171 02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:22,479 and the very thing MOA has to offer. 4172 02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:26,240 Accessible, undeveloped, uninhabited red 4173 02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:28,160 rock wilderness. Thank you for your 4174 02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:30,560 time. I hope you reject this proposal 4175 02:44:30,560 --> 02:44:34,640 and inevitable future proposals like it. 4176 02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:36,960 Okay, 4177 02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,200 and then Christie online. 4178 02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:41,600 >> All right. Hi everyone. Emily Campbell. 4179 02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:43,439 Um, I want to speak a little bit more 4180 02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:45,600 broadly about a lot of the ambiguities 4181 02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:48,080 that exist in our land use code and in 4182 02:44:48,080 --> 02:44:50,240 our general plan um, and the precedent 4183 02:44:50,240 --> 02:44:51,600 that this could set if those aren't 4184 02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:53,200 addressed. And I'm want to raise these 4185 02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:55,600 with the hopes that um, I know we've 4186 02:44:55,600 --> 02:44:57,200 had, you know, a lot of turnover in 4187 02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:58,479 staff. So, I hope our new members of 4188 02:44:58,479 --> 02:44:59,840 planning staff have a chance to address 4189 02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:01,600 these prior to your vote. And also I 4190 02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:02,720 think some of them need to be addressed 4191 02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:04,160 in whichever motion you end up making 4192 02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:06,960 when you do take this to a vote. Um so a 4193 02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:07,840 lot of the reason we're in this 4194 02:45:07,840 --> 02:45:09,120 situation is because the county has 4195 02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:10,560 dragged its feet on updating the land 4196 02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,560 use code. And that in of itself should 4197 02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:14,560 not be a reason to rush into a 4198 02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:16,399 legislative decision that will have 4199 02:45:16,399 --> 02:45:18,640 large uh implications going forward 4200 02:45:18,640 --> 02:45:20,240 again regardless of how you ultimately 4201 02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:22,800 decide on this individually. Um, so a 4202 02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:24,720 couple of those like Bob has already 4203 02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:26,640 called out the fact that this resort 4204 02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:28,960 commercial district is explicitly stated 4205 02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:30,960 in the land use code as being associated 4206 02:45:30,960 --> 02:45:32,720 with a small area plan that was created 4207 02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:36,240 in 2001. And there are u pieces of that 4208 02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:38,399 still all over the site uh plan 4209 02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:40,000 descriptions and and requirements for 4210 02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:42,800 the zone that are not addressed. When 4211 02:45:42,800 --> 02:45:45,040 the future land use map went out to bid 4212 02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:48,479 in uh March of 2024, the at the time we 4213 02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:49,680 were calling it sort of the resort 4214 02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:51,359 commercial all-encompassing district for 4215 02:45:51,359 --> 02:45:53,359 the future land use map, but with a note 4216 02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:54,960 that the implementing zones would be 4217 02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:57,439 resort commercial or resort special. Um, 4218 02:45:57,439 --> 02:45:59,040 not only did this say that this zone 4219 02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:01,279 should um, scenic resources resources 4220 02:46:01,279 --> 02:46:03,439 and view sheds are to be protected in 4221 02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:05,279 uh, new resort commercial developments, 4222 02:46:05,279 --> 02:46:08,960 but also any new um, developments in 4223 02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:11,200 this area were supposed to require 4224 02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:14,240 employee housing. And you can see that 4225 02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:17,279 in the um, RFP that went out to bid from 4226 02:46:17,279 --> 02:46:19,600 the commission. It's not excl it's not 4227 02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:21,680 included in the chapter that got 4228 02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:24,080 adopted, but the chapter points to the 4229 02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:26,479 updated need to um change the 4230 02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:27,920 definitions in the land use code. So, 4231 02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:30,319 we're in this weird tricky spot where I 4232 02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:32,080 don't think the five of you who voted 4233 02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:34,640 for the change in chapter six of the 4234 02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:36,880 general plan intended to remove 4235 02:46:36,880 --> 02:46:38,640 affordable housing and as an attribute 4236 02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,160 of new tourism development, that would 4237 02:46:40,160 --> 02:46:44,080 be um Mary, Jacques, Trish, Mike, and 4238 02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:45,359 Bill. I mean all of you have talked 4239 02:46:45,359 --> 02:46:47,359 about the importance of housing and we 4240 02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:49,920 know that housing for our our service um 4241 02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:51,600 and seasonal workforce is one of the 4242 02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:53,520 areas we are most deeply constrained. 4243 02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:55,040 Any new development of tourism 4244 02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:56,319 businesses are going to just put 4245 02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:57,760 additional pressure on that housing 4246 02:46:57,760 --> 02:46:59,680 stock. And I thought the county had 4247 02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:01,920 wanted to address this the general plan. 4248 02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:03,520 This is the time to do it when we're 4249 02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:05,120 putting our land use code out to bid 4250 02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,439 before we um put one of these large 4251 02:47:07,439 --> 02:47:09,600 parcels into this new zone without 4252 02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:10,960 having addressed that question. So, I 4253 02:47:10,960 --> 02:47:12,080 really would like to see you guys 4254 02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:13,520 address that beforehand so we can 4255 02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:15,359 interpret it. And one other area of 4256 02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:17,439 interpretation, the reason that do no 4257 02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:19,359 harm keeps getting brought up is on chap 4258 02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:22,880 on page 27 of the land use uh chapter of 4259 02:47:22,880 --> 02:47:25,600 our general plan, we have a map that 4260 02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:27,439 includes this parcel and many many many 4261 02:47:27,439 --> 02:47:29,840 other parcels including many by my home 4262 02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:31,920 in a do no harm map that says do no harm 4263 02:47:31,920 --> 02:47:33,120 means these areas should generally 4264 02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:34,720 maintain the densities that exist at the 4265 02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:36,240 present. The landscape beyond the 4266 02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:38,080 existing entitled residential areas is 4267 02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:39,760 an essential characteristic that 4268 02:47:39,760 --> 02:47:41,840 contributes to the agrarian landscape 4269 02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:43,520 that defines much of the outskirts of 4270 02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:45,200 Spanish valley. These areas should be 4271 02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:47,200 preserved and protected for higher 4272 02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:48,399 density development that is better 4273 02:47:48,399 --> 02:47:51,359 suited to proposed community centers. So 4274 02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:54,240 if you arbitrarily make this change here 4275 02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:56,000 without addressing how we're supposed to 4276 02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:59,040 interpret this map on page 27 where it 4277 02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:00,960 very clearly conflicts with the future 4278 02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:03,760 land use map on page 35. Um, it makes me 4279 02:48:03,760 --> 02:48:05,200 wonder how you guys are going to 4280 02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:07,120 interpret the very large agrarian spaces 4281 02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:08,880 near my own home or in other areas of 4282 02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:11,120 the county where these two are at odds. 4283 02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,840 Um, you had another reszone development 4284 02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:15,600 proposed right around the corner for me 4285 02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:17,760 that had the exact same problem. Do no 4286 02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:20,319 harm on one page, massive development 4287 02:48:20,319 --> 02:48:22,319 opportunities on the other. And the 4288 02:48:22,319 --> 02:48:23,680 precedent that you would be setting 4289 02:48:23,680 --> 02:48:25,439 makes it very difficult for land owners 4290 02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:27,920 as well as future developers to protect 4291 02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:29,200 how you're going to interpret these 4292 02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:31,520 things. Um, again, I'm I'm here just to 4293 02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:34,319 advocate for better process and please 4294 02:48:34,319 --> 02:48:36,399 more predictable outcomes for both sides 4295 02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:38,880 of this market. And the way to do that 4296 02:48:38,880 --> 02:48:40,560 would be to address the land use code 4297 02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:42,479 issues first and then this resone. Thank 4298 02:48:42,479 --> 02:48:44,080 you very much. 4299 02:48:44,080 --> 02:48:48,479 >> Thank you. Mary, are you online? 4300 02:48:48,479 --> 02:48:50,880 >> I messed it up. 4301 02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:52,800 >> Oh, okay. Um, 4302 02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:54,560 >> you're next, Christie. Let's see. Unless 4303 02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:57,680 Mary, I think she's coming on right now. 4304 02:48:57,680 --> 02:49:00,720 >> Thanks. The uses proposed 4305 02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:02,399 for the steam property could be 4306 02:49:02,399 --> 02:49:06,160 accommodated by resort special, 4307 02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:08,560 but once it's owned for resort 4308 02:49:08,560 --> 02:49:12,319 commercial, allowing for 25 houses on 4309 02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:15,600 any buildable 5 acres, it could be sold 4310 02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:18,720 to Lion's Back. It could be sold to any 4311 02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:21,279 other developer. There's a home in 4312 02:49:21,279 --> 02:49:24,399 Castle Valley that's built into a cliff. 4313 02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:26,880 It's a cave home. It looks like it's a 4314 02:49:26,880 --> 02:49:30,080 really expensive home. I've spent years 4315 02:49:30,080 --> 02:49:34,960 on my in back country trails gazing up 4316 02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:38,080 at ancient homes built up on impossible 4317 02:49:38,080 --> 02:49:40,560 cliffs. 4318 02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:43,279 Just tell the developer that something 4319 02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:46,640 is too hard to build on and see how 4320 02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:49,200 ambitious they get 4321 02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:54,319 when money is no problem. As Tory Hill 4322 02:49:54,319 --> 02:50:00,560 says, if you zone it, they will build. I really hope you don't pretend to be so 4323 02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:04,560 naive to think that this zone wouldn't 4324 02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:06,800 go to the highest bidder, the most 4325 02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:10,560 ambitious developer, and to hell with 4326 02:50:10,560 --> 02:50:12,877 food trucks. 4327 02:50:12,877 --> 02:50:13,680 [laughter] 4328 02:50:13,680 --> 02:50:18,469 >> Thank you. 4329 02:50:18,479 --> 02:50:21,040 want to thank the Steen family for 4330 02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:25,120 really being so crucial in how this 4331 02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:28,560 community developed way back when and uh 4332 02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:32,960 for its cultivation so far. I am deeply 4333 02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:36,399 concerned about the timing and the scope 4334 02:50:36,399 --> 02:50:41,120 of this up zone that it goes from uh the 4335 02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:43,279 grazing which I get you're not doing 4336 02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:46,479 can't do there but to go all the way to 4337 02:50:46,479 --> 02:50:51,040 the highest with uh the timing of the 4338 02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:54,160 planning that still needs to be taken 4339 02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:56,880 care of like Emily was talking about. 4340 02:50:56,880 --> 02:50:59,920 But I think one of the things that 4341 02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:03,840 really I'm concerned about is that ever 4342 02:51:03,840 --> 02:51:06,319 uh since [snorts] I can remember there's 4343 02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:10,000 been a sort of communitywide 4344 02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:12,720 feel that rimside development is not the 4345 02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,439 way we want to go. It's repeated like a 4346 02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:18,080 refrain in every planning effort that I 4347 02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:22,640 can think of. And so the uh concern 4348 02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:30,160 about the access where it gets to would just lead to more development up 4349 02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:32,479 there where we've already got the dark 4350 02:51:32,479 --> 02:51:35,120 sky and also everything we discovered 4351 02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:38,240 from Johnson's up on top when we went oh 4352 02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:41,120 effluent does roll downhill uh we got to 4353 02:51:41,120 --> 02:51:43,520 look at the water and this is right 4354 02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:46,160 above Skakel Springs where this proposal 4355 02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:49,439 is so I think it's premature to vote 4356 02:51:49,439 --> 02:51:52,000 for this massive reszone. Please 4357 02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:56,960 reconsider a cup, a spot zone, or res 4358 02:51:56,960 --> 02:51:59,200 resort commercial. And thanks for 4359 02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:01,359 grappling with it. 4360 02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:02,640 >> Thank you. 4361 02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:03,760 >> All right, I think that's everyone 4362 02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:04,319 online right now. 4363 02:52:04,319 --> 02:52:06,640 >> We got everybody online. D um K, do you 4364 02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:07,920 want to come up? 4365 02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:09,200 >> That's you. 4366 02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:11,120 >> Are you that far ahead? 4367 02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,800 >> Dan, sorry. Dan, do you want to come up? 4368 02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:14,080 >> Do you want to step up? Everybody's 4369 02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:15,520 saying what I wanted to say. 4370 02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:16,479 >> Oh, everybody's saying what you want to 4371 02:52:16,479 --> 02:52:18,720 say. Great. Let's have you you come up 4372 02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:21,279 and then who wants to be next? Okay. Mr. 4373 02:52:21,279 --> 02:52:23,120 Kate, next after her. 4374 02:52:23,120 --> 02:52:25,200 >> I am seeing an hour. 4375 02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:27,359 >> Um I'm glad you're not voting on this 4376 02:52:27,359 --> 02:52:30,080 tonight because uh seems like some 4377 02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:32,240 people have come with minds made up. You 4378 02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:34,080 had a chip on your shoulder about having 4379 02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:36,240 wanting to say something a week ago and 4380 02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:37,680 saying it now. And I hope that you can 4381 02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:39,760 come to these meetings openminded. All 4382 02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:42,319 of you. And I have to say as a citizen, 4383 02:52:42,319 --> 02:52:44,479 I hate to see this infighting. It's it's 4384 02:52:44,479 --> 02:52:46,880 childish and it's awkward. It's not what 4385 02:52:46,880 --> 02:52:54,319 we voted for. But with regard to the steam modder, I find 4386 02:52:54,319 --> 02:52:56,720 it concerning and interesting how we got 4387 02:52:56,720 --> 02:52:58,720 to this point after years of tomalt at 4388 02:52:58,720 --> 02:53:00,399 the Grand County Planning Comm 4389 02:53:00,399 --> 02:53:02,960 Department. Whether a person likes or 4390 02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:05,279 dislikes the massive upzone of the steam 4391 02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:07,840 property. The question is how did the 4392 02:53:07,840 --> 02:53:11,120 235 acres come to be recommended to be 4393 02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:14,240 upzoned in the first place? Was sincere 4394 02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:16,399 notice given to adjacent property owners 4395 02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:18,399 of this proposal? 4396 02:53:18,399 --> 02:53:21,760 >> I've communicated with Markstein who I 4397 02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:23,439 don't see him here. I consider him to be 4398 02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:26,640 a friend. There he is hiding. Um 4399 02:53:26,640 --> 02:53:28,240 >> I'm not hiding. I'm right here. 4400 02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:31,200 >> Okay. He's associate owner of the land 4401 02:53:31,200 --> 02:53:33,040 with his daughter and he told me, "We 4402 02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:34,880 are not asking for anything from Grand 4403 02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:36,960 County except to recognize that the 4404 02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:39,040 zoning they proposed is the proper one 4405 02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:41,600 for our county." He said, "The county 4406 02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:43,439 has proposed this zone." Who in the 4407 02:53:43,439 --> 02:53:45,120 county did that? 4408 02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:47,760 >> And when was that recommendation made? 4409 02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:49,359 Seems like it was recommended even 4410 02:53:49,359 --> 02:53:52,160 before the Steen asked for it. For at 4411 02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:54,080 least the past 5 years, the Grand County 4412 02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:56,640 Planning Department has been unstable. 4413 02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:59,680 It had three directors since 2021. 4414 02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:01,680 Andrew Jackson was appointed to the post 4415 02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:04,479 a little more than four months ago. Due 4416 02:54:04,479 --> 02:54:06,560 to the intense turnover of county staff, 4417 02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:08,960 an estimated 50 development applications 4418 02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:10,800 became overdue. 4419 02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,200 When he went on to the county payroll, 4420 02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:15,520 Jackson said there would be no surprises 4421 02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:17,680 and that he would emphasize transparency 4422 02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:20,080 as he worked through the backlog. I 4423 02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:21,780 don't see him here. I think he left. 4424 02:54:21,780 --> 02:54:22,479 [laughter] 4425 02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:24,160 >> I'm not hiding either. 4426 02:54:24,160 --> 02:54:26,720 >> I certainly hope this plan wasn't the 4427 02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:29,520 product of staff who did the developers 4428 02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:32,000 bidding and the bidding of the divisive 4429 02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:33,520 majorities of the planning commission 4430 02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:36,479 and county commission. 4431 02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:38,720 The problem is our community isn't being 4432 02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:40,240 given the time to process these 4433 02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:42,800 proposals and air their concerns. Where 4434 02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:44,319 does the community get to learn more 4435 02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:46,640 about the 50 overdue projects that could 4436 02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:49,359 impact our community? We need to have 4437 02:54:49,359 --> 02:54:52,319 processing and response time. I 4438 02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:54,720 communicated personally with Mark Steen 4439 02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:56,319 when I learned the proposal and he 4440 02:54:56,319 --> 02:54:58,640 described his property property to me as 4441 02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:02,640 he just said overcrowded and overheated 4442 02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:04,160 and women didn't even want to live 4443 02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:07,760 there. the views. Of course, Steen told 4444 02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:09,680 me, "We are not proposing to build any 4445 02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:12,240 homes up there." So, while he and his 4446 02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:14,240 daughter, the applicant, might not build 4447 02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:16,479 a resort there, they sure might like to 4448 02:55:16,479 --> 02:55:18,080 sell it to billionaires who would own 4449 02:55:18,080 --> 02:55:21,439 the 1100 unit density. 4450 02:55:21,439 --> 02:55:23,120 Fing communicated this to me at the 4451 02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:25,200 proposed density if the zoning is 4452 02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:27,359 changed from range and grazing to the 4453 02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:30,080 resort commercial. That's an unrealistic 4454 02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:31,840 number of houses for any property in 4455 02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:34,080 Moab. More than half of that land is 4456 02:55:34,080 --> 02:55:37,279 inside an unlivable hellscape where the 4457 02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:39,439 trails are located. 4458 02:55:39,439 --> 02:55:41,359 Homes are not selling in Moab right now 4459 02:55:41,359 --> 02:55:43,680 because the place is a scenic hole. 4460 02:55:43,680 --> 02:55:46,000 He told me [laughter] all the big 4461 02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:47,840 developments in Moab are languishing and 4462 02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:50,560 they always will until they clean up the 4463 02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:53,920 trash and junk. He told me 4464 02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:55,600 what I fear is that the density could be 4465 02:55:55,600 --> 02:55:57,760 clustered into high-rise condos, even if 4466 02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:00,160 most of it is a hellscape. 4467 02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:02,240 As a fifth generation Moab kid, I'm here 4468 02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:04,080 to say that the trashy parts of Moab 4469 02:56:04,080 --> 02:56:06,319 stem from the uranium mining economy 4470 02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:08,240 that decades ago squeezed mining 4471 02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:11,520 families into singlewide trailers where 4472 02:56:11,520 --> 02:56:13,439 they had to exist in poverty level 4473 02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:15,680 conditions. Many of the miners got 4474 02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:17,920 cancer and the Atlas mill left a huge 4475 02:56:17,920 --> 02:56:21,120 toxic mess. Ironically, the steamup zone 4476 02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:23,279 is being requested just as we mark the 4477 02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:26,080 milestone on moving 16 million tons of 4478 02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:27,600 toxic waste off the banks of the 4479 02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:30,000 Colorado River, a project paid by 4480 02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:31,680 taxpayers. 4481 02:56:31,680 --> 02:56:34,479 Moab has a dirty legacy with uranium. 4482 02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,319 Those who exploited the land in the 50s 4483 02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:39,520 are here to do it again 75 years later. 4484 02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,680 Maybe they deserve an 1100 unit resort 4485 02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:44,399 entitlement tower towering over Moab if 4486 02:56:44,399 --> 02:56:46,479 they can get water, sewer, roads, and 4487 02:56:46,479 --> 02:56:49,040 billionaire buyers. But this process 4488 02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:51,600 seems a little shady. When I grew up in 4489 02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:53,439 Moab in the early 60s, 4490 02:56:53,439 --> 02:56:55,359 >> you're past time. Thank you. 4491 02:56:55,359 --> 02:56:58,000 >> Okay, 4492 02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:13,269 >> you got my 4493 02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:22,150 Hand 4494 02:57:22,160 --> 02:57:26,870 them to 4495 02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:28,960 » I was an elementary school teacher. I 4496 02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:35,510 got this down path. 4497 02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:36,640 » Oh, he's ready to 4498 02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:38,880 >> I'm ready. 4499 02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:42,319 >> Save time. Uh, good evening. Uh, my name 4500 02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:44,720 is McKay Edwards. Um, I'm here 4501 02:57:44,720 --> 02:57:47,520 representing Moab Springs Ranch Resort, 4502 02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:50,880 the property most directly affected by 4503 02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:54,319 and impacted by the proposed up zone of 4504 02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:57,120 the zipline property. We share a 1,000 4505 02:57:57,120 --> 02:58:00,000 ft boundary with this parcel, but 4506 02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:03,279 received no notice from the proponent or 4507 02:58:03,279 --> 02:58:06,080 the county that this very substantial 4508 02:58:06,080 --> 02:58:09,200 upzone was being considered. Um, and 4509 02:58:09,200 --> 02:58:11,040 last time I did a large scale plan in 4510 02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:13,120 this town, we notified everyone within 4511 02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:15,920 1,000 ft. Apparently, that has changed, 4512 02:58:15,920 --> 02:58:18,960 but the rules of good manners have not. 4513 02:58:18,960 --> 02:58:21,359 And and I would just point out that we 4514 02:58:21,359 --> 02:58:23,920 learned two days ago that this is going 4515 02:58:23,920 --> 02:58:26,560 on immediately adjacent to and above our 4516 02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:29,359 property. Uh we request that the 4517 02:58:29,359 --> 02:58:31,120 commission delay a final vote on this 4518 02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:33,600 proposal for at least a month and also 4519 02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:35,439 extend the comment period to allow 4520 02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:38,000 neighboring properties such as us and 4521 02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:40,640 the community to fully understand what 4522 02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:42,960 is being proposed. Because time is 4523 02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:45,439 short, I won't go into process issues, 4524 02:58:45,439 --> 02:58:47,359 but for the record, we submit our 4525 02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:49,040 agreement with planning commissioner 4526 02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:51,680 Hoffine's process objections raised at 4527 02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:53,840 the planning commission meeting. The 4528 02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:56,399 county is not on firm ground here 4529 02:58:56,399 --> 02:58:59,040 procedurally. The up zone is not 4530 02:58:59,040 --> 02:59:01,840 consistent with the general plan or the 4531 02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:05,920 land use code such as they are. Uh it 4532 02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:09,040 also is not in conformance with policy 4533 02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:11,840 around the annexation boundary of of 4534 02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:13,920 Moab city. They did not obtain the 4535 02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:15,760 letter that has been requested by the 4536 02:59:15,760 --> 02:59:19,279 planning commission in April of 2025. 4537 02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:21,600 So, we're playing catchup here a day or 4538 02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:24,000 two after learning that this is going in 4539 02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26,960 right over our heads. Uh, among our many 4540 02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:29,680 concerns are impact the scapl springs. 4541 02:59:29,680 --> 02:59:32,000 are a primary drinking 4542 02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:34,640 water source for Moab. A large 4543 02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:36,880 development cited on poorest sandstone 4544 02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:39,359 directly over the scapel springs aquifer 4545 02:59:39,359 --> 02:59:41,520 is a risk that the community should be 4546 02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:43,920 aware of. This development will be 4547 02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:46,240 highly visible from most of the valley. 4548 02:59:46,240 --> 02:59:48,080 If you can see the G from your house, 4549 02:59:48,080 --> 02:59:51,120 you'll see the houses or the hotels or 4550 02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:58,880 the condos or the mega structures that could happen on this site. Um, 4551 02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:02,319 and it's currently an area that is um 4552 03:00:02,319 --> 03:00:05,279 really undisturbed. I'd like to we heard 4553 03:00:05,279 --> 03:00:07,200 here tonight from the applicant and in 4554 03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:09,600 the packet the same thing is said there 4555 03:00:09,600 --> 03:00:12,319 will never be a Cloud Rock Alliance Back 4556 03:00:12,319 --> 03:00:14,319 Resort or a Cane Creek development on 4557 03:00:14,319 --> 03:00:17,920 this property due to the topography. Um 4558 03:00:17,920 --> 03:00:20,720 what I would say is I'd like to take 4559 03:00:20,720 --> 03:00:23,040 everyone here down to see Almond Gary 4560 03:00:23,040 --> 03:00:26,880 Resort near Wawi in Kain County looks an 4561 03:00:26,880 --> 03:00:29,680 awful lot like the the sandstone fins at 4562 03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:32,479 the top of Slick Rock. The same things 4563 03:00:32,479 --> 03:00:34,479 that make it challenging and expensive 4564 03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:37,600 to develop make it very valuable. In a 4565 03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:39,520 world of billionaires and equity 4566 03:00:39,520 --> 03:00:42,960 capital, private equity, this something 4567 03:00:42,960 --> 03:00:46,399 like this will happen. All 1100 units 4568 03:00:46,399 --> 03:00:49,920 will be developed someday. 4569 03:00:49,920 --> 03:00:52,399 I promise you that there will not be one 4570 03:00:52,399 --> 03:00:54,560 unit left on the table. There's a 4571 03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:56,479 60-year-old development that I'm 4572 03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:59,760 familiar with in Park City that is going 4573 03:00:59,760 --> 03:01:02,399 in now. entitled 60 years ago. Everyone 4574 03:01:02,399 --> 03:01:04,399 said it would never happen. Well, the 4575 03:01:04,399 --> 03:01:06,800 billionaires finally found it and it is 4576 03:01:06,800 --> 03:01:10,319 happening. So to to say that the cost of 4577 03:01:10,319 --> 03:01:12,399 development will protect this land and 4578 03:01:12,399 --> 03:01:14,800 if it's true if it's actually true that 4579 03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:17,840 the current applicant has no intent of 4580 03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,000 doing the kind of development that we 4581 03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:24,960 all fear, why are we granting 1175 4582 03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:28,845 units? It's the most circular crazy it 4583 03:01:28,845 --> 03:01:29,680 [laughter] 4584 03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:32,960 argument. It doesn't hold up. We can use 4585 03:01:32,960 --> 03:01:36,240 about 10 different ways to permit a food 4586 03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:38,560 truck, some bathrooms, some expanded 4587 03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:40,880 climbing. I actually have no objection 4588 03:01:40,880 --> 03:01:44,560 to those uh particular proposals, but a 4589 03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:47,279 permanent entitlement for,200 4590 03:01:47,279 --> 03:01:49,840 units and this location. It's going to 4591 03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,880 hover over this town like a dark cloud 4592 03:01:52,880 --> 03:01:55,520 forever. And someday it will happen. 4593 03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:58,080 It'll use the last water we've got, the 4594 03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:01,520 last sewer capacity we've got, the last 4595 03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:04,960 uh view shed we've got. Um, is this how 4596 03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:09,040 we want to um use public resources and 4597 03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:10,399 the countyy's going to be on the hook 4598 03:02:10,399 --> 03:02:12,880 for this? The taxpayers and property 4599 03:02:12,880 --> 03:02:16,000 owners. Someone will come back in 5 10 4600 03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:17,680 years, a lawyer will say, "Well, if you 4601 03:02:17,680 --> 03:02:20,000 didn't mean to serve us with the water, 4602 03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:22,720 why did you grant us the upzone? If you 4603 03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:24,960 didn't mean to c to cooperate with 4604 03:02:24,960 --> 03:02:27,840 sewer, why did you grant us this upzone? 4605 03:02:27,840 --> 03:02:29,840 The same lawyers that are saying these 4606 03:02:29,840 --> 03:02:32,000 things down the river, they'll be right 4607 03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:33,840 back here. I thank you very much for 4608 03:02:33,840 --> 03:02:36,311 your time. 4609 03:02:36,311 --> 03:02:41,429 [applause] 4610 03:02:41,439 --> 03:02:43,200 All right, great. You're coming after 4611 03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:44,560 Judy. Thank you. 4612 03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:46,640 >> All that sitting [laughter] trouble 4613 03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:50,319 walking. Sorry. I'm Judy Powers and what 4614 03:02:50,319 --> 03:02:52,240 they all are saying I agree with. So, 4615 03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:54,399 I'm not going to belabor this, but I'm 4616 03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:56,560 very concerned about a lot of upzoning 4617 03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:58,720 that's happening right now, and I don't 4618 03:02:58,720 --> 03:03:00,319 understand why we're not doing it before 4619 03:03:00,319 --> 03:03:02,319 we're fixing the land use code. I've 4620 03:03:02,319 --> 03:03:03,760 been going to the planning and zoning 4621 03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:05,040 meetings, and I have to tell you, the 4622 03:03:05,040 --> 03:03:06,880 next one is the same thing. The next 4623 03:03:06,880 --> 03:03:08,319 public hearing is the same thing. 4624 03:03:08,319 --> 03:03:10,479 They're going to they want to upzone. 4625 03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:12,319 The guy is very nice. He asked for 4626 03:03:12,319 --> 03:03:14,080 reasonable things, but I just don't 4627 03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:16,479 understand why we're not doing this. And 4628 03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,000 we say, "Oh, it's going to be too noisy 4629 03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:20,800 up there. It's too I mean, who'd want to 4630 03:03:20,800 --> 03:03:22,960 live up Well, who want to live on lion's 4631 03:03:22,960 --> 03:03:25,840 back? I mean, come on. So, just please 4632 03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:27,600 think about this. Seriously, this is a 4633 03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:34,469 huge decision. Thank you. 4634 03:03:34,479 --> 03:03:36,399 » Is that Pete? Okay, 4635 03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:39,439 >> Pete G. I'll be very quick. Um, I can 4636 03:03:39,439 --> 03:03:41,359 corroborate what McKay said. I received 4637 03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:43,680 a text from him about 11:30 at night two 4638 03:03:43,680 --> 03:03:46,160 nights ago saying, "You know anything 4639 03:03:46,160 --> 03:03:47,439 about this? I haven't heard anything 4640 03:03:47,439 --> 03:03:50,160 about it." And also um I went I attended 4641 03:03:50,160 --> 03:03:51,439 the planning commission meeting when 4642 03:03:51,439 --> 03:03:54,160 they voted on it 52. One of the people 4643 03:03:54,160 --> 03:03:57,200 who voted for it really didn't like the 4644 03:03:57,200 --> 03:04:00,479 idea but his argument was well all the 4645 03:04:00,479 --> 03:04:03,040 surrounding commercial property owners 4646 03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:05,520 were in favor of it. So this person 4647 03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:08,000 voted in favor of it. He didn't know 4648 03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:10,640 that or well it was Aaron Lindberg. He 4649 03:04:10,640 --> 03:04:12,000 didn't know that one of the property 4650 03:04:12,000 --> 03:04:14,960 owners had not been consulted. So thank 4651 03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:19,680 you and I hope you deny this. I'm not. 4652 03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:21,359 Sorry. [laughter] 4653 03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:24,800 >> Curly hair. Sorry. 4654 03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:26,160 >> I'm not a regular. You don't know me, 4655 03:04:26,160 --> 03:04:28,160 but this is scary enough that it got me 4656 03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:30,319 coming in. I'm not even on Zoom. I'm in 4657 03:04:30,319 --> 03:04:32,399 the room. [laughter] I'm Celia. It's 4658 03:04:32,399 --> 03:04:33,920 nice to meet you all. And I don't envy 4659 03:04:33,920 --> 03:04:35,359 you. Thank you for the work that you're 4660 03:04:35,359 --> 03:04:37,439 doing. Uh, everything that everybody's 4661 03:04:37,439 --> 03:04:39,520 been saying, in particular, what Jordan 4662 03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:42,080 said about the change to recreation, I 4663 03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:43,439 think it's really important. I won't 4664 03:04:43,439 --> 03:04:44,560 trouble you with that. But I want to 4665 03:04:44,560 --> 03:04:46,960 introduce two concepts that may not be 4666 03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:48,479 popular. You may have never heard of 4667 03:04:48,479 --> 03:04:51,120 them and I deeply hope that they become 4668 03:04:51,120 --> 03:04:53,439 a part of the conversation here and in 4669 03:04:53,439 --> 03:04:55,200 the planning commission. The first one 4670 03:04:55,200 --> 03:04:57,680 is a concept that's taking over in a 4671 03:04:57,680 --> 03:04:59,840 bunch of places that have not yet been 4672 03:04:59,840 --> 03:05:01,840 turned into a MOAB. And I don't know if 4673 03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:03,600 you travel, but when you travel in Utah, 4674 03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:05,520 you see a lot of signs that say, "Don't 4675 03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:07,680 Moab my blank with the name of the 4676 03:05:07,680 --> 03:05:09,760 cities and towns." And I've been seeing 4677 03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:12,160 a bunch of them as I've traveled. One of 4678 03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:13,760 the concepts I want to encourage you to 4679 03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:15,279 think about going forward is called 4680 03:05:15,279 --> 03:05:18,640 solidarity tourism. It's a rethinking of 4681 03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:21,520 how relationships and power work, how 4682 03:05:21,520 --> 03:05:23,680 the tourists who come engage with the 4683 03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:26,240 space. And this conversation kind of 4684 03:05:26,240 --> 03:05:28,560 sounds like let's see if we can somehow 4685 03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:31,520 find a way to minimize the negative 4686 03:05:31,520 --> 03:05:33,680 impacts of having visitors. What 4687 03:05:33,680 --> 03:05:35,600 solidarity tourism does instead is it 4688 03:05:35,600 --> 03:05:38,479 says let's maximize the positive impact. 4689 03:05:38,479 --> 03:05:41,359 Let's go from uh you know having us 4690 03:05:41,359 --> 03:05:44,479 muddle through for six now nine now 10 4691 03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:47,840 months of the year uh as locals to let's 4692 03:05:47,840 --> 03:05:50,160 amplify the values and the voices of the 4693 03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:52,160 community. Let's be together in a 4694 03:05:52,160 --> 03:05:54,240 transformational long-term relationship. 4695 03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:55,680 Most of the people that are using up 4696 03:05:55,680 --> 03:05:57,760 there whether they're on bikes or motos 4697 03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:00,800 or ATVs have been coming here for years 4698 03:06:00,800 --> 03:06:03,680 and they don't come here because they 4699 03:06:03,680 --> 03:06:05,840 want to look out at a viewscape that has 4700 03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:08,080 much crap. And I love the idea of the 4701 03:06:08,080 --> 03:06:10,399 very few things mentioned in this 4702 03:06:10,399 --> 03:06:12,880 request. I think granting them might be 4703 03:06:12,880 --> 03:06:14,720 fine, especially if it can be done in a 4704 03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:17,120 conditional way, but I'd much rather see 4705 03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:19,600 us in a longer term, bigger picture 4706 03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:21,439 conversation about what we actually 4707 03:06:21,439 --> 03:06:23,439 want. What is solidarity tourism look 4708 03:06:23,439 --> 03:06:25,359 like? What is a methodology for the next 4709 03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:28,319 50 years of Moab tourism that actually 4710 03:06:28,319 --> 03:06:30,479 really will work for locals? Now, the 4711 03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:32,640 second concept you'll probably like even 4712 03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,279 less, but here's but here's what I'm 4713 03:06:35,279 --> 03:06:37,120 thinking about. I'm thinking about water 4714 03:06:37,120 --> 03:06:39,600 use and land use that we could 4715 03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:42,640 prioritize that would actually help us 4716 03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:45,279 feed a whole bunch of people that live 4717 03:06:45,279 --> 03:06:47,680 in this valley year round. It is not 4718 03:06:47,680 --> 03:06:50,080 unthinkable that we could move away from 4719 03:06:50,080 --> 03:06:52,000 the kind of land speculation that we're 4720 03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:54,560 living with now to a way where we are 4721 03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:58,560 prioritizing and privileging the use of 4722 03:06:58,560 --> 03:07:00,880 the water and use of the land in a way 4723 03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:03,840 that connects a series of pocket farms 4724 03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:06,000 and market gardens and farms so that 4725 03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:07,920 everybody who lives here year round 4726 03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:09,760 could afford fresh fruit and veg without 4727 03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,399 a federal subsidy which as you may have 4728 03:07:12,399 --> 03:07:15,520 heard has expired. You know what EasyBe 4729 03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:17,600 Farms and our village did over the last 4730 03:07:17,600 --> 03:07:19,840 couple years with previous gen uh 4731 03:07:19,840 --> 03:07:22,640 administration federal monies fed 4732 03:07:22,640 --> 03:07:24,800 hundreds of families in this community 4733 03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:27,120 fresh fruit and veg every week all 4734 03:07:27,120 --> 03:07:28,479 through the season that they wouldn't 4735 03:07:28,479 --> 03:07:30,880 have been able to afford. What if you 4736 03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:33,439 all and everybody else who has to solve 4737 03:07:33,439 --> 03:07:37,040 these problems reoriented towards food, 4738 03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:39,840 toward land as valued if they can feed 4739 03:07:39,840 --> 03:07:42,319 our communities, towards water as valued 4740 03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:44,640 not for another toilet flushing for 4741 03:07:44,640 --> 03:07:45,840 somebody who's going to come through and 4742 03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:48,479 buy red dirt, but instead for the people 4743 03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:50,880 who are going to grow, you know, stone 4744 03:07:50,880 --> 03:07:53,760 fruit for our neighbors. So neither of 4745 03:07:53,760 --> 03:07:55,279 those may be concepts that are 4746 03:07:55,279 --> 03:07:58,319 necessarily prevalent in this right now, 4747 03:07:58,319 --> 03:08:00,720 but we have options. And the future 4748 03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:03,600 could include some really cool weird 4749 03:08:03,600 --> 03:08:06,479 architecture that actually gets one, 4750 03:08:06,479 --> 03:08:08,960 two, five, however many things built per 4751 03:08:08,960 --> 03:08:11,920 acre or a future where we do this 4752 03:08:11,920 --> 03:08:16,260 another way. So just food for thought. 4753 03:08:16,260 --> 03:08:25,190 [applause] 4754 03:08:25,200 --> 03:08:26,479 And who's after her? Who would like to 4755 03:08:26,479 --> 03:08:30,160 go next? Okay, great. 4756 03:08:30,160 --> 03:08:34,000 Hello. I'm Crystal Music. And I just, 4757 03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:36,479 this is really mindboggling to me. So, 4758 03:08:36,479 --> 03:08:38,479 first of all, it's very large, 235 4759 03:08:38,479 --> 03:08:41,439 acres. If all you want to do is expand a 4760 03:08:41,439 --> 03:08:44,800 business in a food truck, um like 4761 03:08:44,800 --> 03:08:48,240 there's options to do that without going 4762 03:08:48,240 --> 03:08:52,240 full spectrum to the maximum zone 4763 03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:53,840 change. 4764 03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:56,560 So I also like everybody else is saying 4765 03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:00,240 um resort special delay the boat so 4766 03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:02,399 community and the business owners in the 4767 03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:04,160 area can [clears throat] 4768 03:09:04,160 --> 03:09:05,600 at least know what's going on in the 4769 03:09:05,600 --> 03:09:07,200 neighborhood. What is going on in the 4770 03:09:07,200 --> 03:09:10,080 neighborhood? Um, 4771 03:09:10,080 --> 03:09:12,319 I think 4772 03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:14,240 also mentioned the land use code is 4773 03:09:14,240 --> 03:09:16,880 being updated. We still need to do a lot 4774 03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:19,359 of work on that. Um, Mary brought up, 4775 03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:21,120 you know, putting the stop to some 4776 03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:23,840 things before we get to that plan. Uh, 4777 03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:29,040 it just seems like jumping the gun. Um, 4778 03:09:29,040 --> 03:09:31,760 if you want to expand a business, hey, 4779 03:09:31,760 --> 03:09:33,600 why don't you put a house on one of 4780 03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:37,520 those acres for your guides? That would 4781 03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:41,279 be awesome. Um, 4782 03:09:41,279 --> 03:09:42,880 but basically, yeah, it's just 4783 03:09:42,880 --> 03:09:46,399 Disneyland and we don't want Disneyland. 4784 03:09:46,399 --> 03:09:49,916 Thank you, 4785 03:09:49,926 --> 03:09:54,230 [applause] Sloan. 4786 03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:56,399 My name is Christina Sloan. Um, I'm an 4787 03:09:56,399 --> 03:09:58,160 attorney. I'm here for myself. I want to 4788 03:09:58,160 --> 03:09:59,359 focus on something you haven't heard 4789 03:09:59,359 --> 03:10:01,840 about yet, and that's some another tool 4790 03:10:01,840 --> 03:10:04,399 that uh you guys get to decide if these 4791 03:10:04,399 --> 03:10:06,560 uses are appropriate. Um, some people 4792 03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:08,800 like them, some people don't. Um, but if 4793 03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:11,359 you decide that expanding the zipline 4794 03:10:11,359 --> 03:10:13,359 and the climbing and the food truck is 4795 03:10:13,359 --> 03:10:15,279 appropriate, there is a better way to do 4796 03:10:15,279 --> 03:10:18,080 it. The city is working with campus 4797 03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,160 overlays. It's a very cool legislative 4798 03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:23,200 tool that is great for Moab because we 4799 03:10:23,200 --> 03:10:25,840 are unique and if you find a proposal 4800 03:10:25,840 --> 03:10:28,000 that is uniquely Moab and you want to 4801 03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:30,880 help facilitate that, you can create a 4802 03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:33,600 what's called a campus overlay to craft 4803 03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:35,680 it very specifically. So, I'm working on 4804 03:10:35,680 --> 03:10:37,359 one of these with the city right now. 4805 03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:39,040 The city is what the county used to be, 4806 03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:40,720 which is this honed planning machine. 4807 03:10:40,720 --> 03:10:42,720 And Cory has it going on. He knows what 4808 03:10:42,720 --> 03:10:44,800 he's doing. He he's working on his third 4809 03:10:44,800 --> 03:10:47,520 campus overlay. It's very cool. The city 4810 03:10:47,520 --> 03:10:49,120 land use code, just like the counties, 4811 03:10:49,120 --> 03:10:51,520 is not sophisticated enough to deal with 4812 03:10:51,520 --> 03:10:53,600 some really cool proposals like what 4813 03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:55,120 I've heard tonight out of the steam 4814 03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:57,359 family. And the problem is, as you've 4815 03:10:57,359 --> 03:10:59,600 heard, this reszone can and it will 4816 03:10:59,600 --> 03:11:02,800 eventually get built fully out, right? 4817 03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:05,439 Full full capacity. Um, and there's just 4818 03:11:05,439 --> 03:11:07,520 better tools to do it. So, there's also 4819 03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:10,080 the CP amendment, which honestly isn't a 4820 03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:11,840 horrible way to do this either, so you 4821 03:11:11,840 --> 03:11:13,680 can accommodate the uses that are being 4822 03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:15,600 talked about. Um, which I think are 4823 03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:17,520 appropriate for MOA personally. It's my 4824 03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:22,080 personal opinion, um, in other ways. So, I'd like you guys also to slow down. 4825 03:11:22,080 --> 03:11:23,439 I think the county attorney, the 4826 03:11:23,439 --> 03:11:25,200 planning director, the city planning 4827 03:11:25,200 --> 03:11:27,439 office could really get together and um 4828 03:11:27,439 --> 03:11:30,160 think through some cool ways and um more 4829 03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:32,080 cohesive planning between city and 4830 03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:33,920 county and the way, you know, tools that 4831 03:11:33,920 --> 03:11:36,240 we can use to to make things better. 4832 03:11:36,240 --> 03:11:40,612 Thanks. 4833 03:11:40,622 --> 03:11:42,160 [applause] 4834 03:11:42,160 --> 03:11:42,720 >> Come on up. 4835 03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:44,000 >> Close. 4836 03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:45,040 >> I don't want to keep you waiting. Thanks 4837 03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:46,399 for giving me a second chance to talk 4838 03:11:46,399 --> 03:11:48,240 tonight. And I don't have much to say. 4839 03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:50,479 Well, I I always do, but I must to say 4840 03:11:50,479 --> 03:11:52,240 that because what's been said tonight is 4841 03:11:52,240 --> 03:11:53,439 incredible. I think this is about as 4842 03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:55,840 close as you ever get to consensus. 4843 03:11:55,840 --> 03:11:57,359 Unless perhaps people don't want to die 4844 03:11:57,359 --> 03:11:58,640 in a nuclear war. There might be even 4845 03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:00,479 more consensus, but here we [laughter] 4846 03:12:00,479 --> 03:12:02,720 are. Um, 4847 03:12:02,720 --> 03:12:03,840 I don't know what you guys are going to 4848 03:12:03,840 --> 03:12:05,439 do with this, but but I mean, this is 4849 03:12:05,439 --> 03:12:06,800 just one room full of people, but this 4850 03:12:06,800 --> 03:12:08,080 is not everybody that would speak, and 4851 03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:09,920 everybody tonight has been coming to you 4852 03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:12,640 with great ideas and with a very aligned 4853 03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:14,160 perspective. I I agree with every single 4854 03:12:14,160 --> 03:12:15,359 person that spoke everything that they 4855 03:12:15,359 --> 03:12:17,279 have said which is just unbelievably 4856 03:12:17,279 --> 03:12:19,040 unusual and what I'm hearing is that 4857 03:12:19,040 --> 03:12:21,120 this is like a town talking to you 4858 03:12:21,120 --> 03:12:22,960 primarily even even the business people 4859 03:12:22,960 --> 03:12:24,880 are speaking about a town that has 4860 03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:26,800 integrity and their business's integrity 4861 03:12:26,800 --> 03:12:29,520 is dependent upon that this is a primary 4862 03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:31,840 location is completely unique there's 4863 03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:33,279 probably no place in the world that is 4864 03:12:33,279 --> 03:12:35,200 like this property and I don't want to 4865 03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:37,040 deny the ste or anybody else that has 4866 03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:38,880 property in this town their due worth 4867 03:12:38,880 --> 03:12:40,080 and they should have their value and 4868 03:12:40,080 --> 03:12:41,279 there's ways of getting out of this the 4869 03:12:41,279 --> 03:12:42,960 most obvious way is that we buy this 4870 03:12:42,960 --> 03:12:44,640 like we could have done back when the 4871 03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:46,720 BLM turned down the opportunity when 4872 03:12:46,720 --> 03:12:48,240 they had that opportunity. This is the 4873 03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:49,760 only property that's up on the Slick 4874 03:12:49,760 --> 03:12:52,399 Rock essentially and there's a massive 4875 03:12:52,399 --> 03:12:54,160 amount of it and I wish we had a map 4876 03:12:54,160 --> 03:12:55,359 here tonight and I would really request 4877 03:12:55,359 --> 03:12:56,880 that the commission make sure that there 4878 03:12:56,880 --> 03:12:58,720 is a map of this at any future 4879 03:12:58,720 --> 03:13:00,160 communications whether it's written or 4880 03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,479 digital or in this room because it's 4881 03:13:02,479 --> 03:13:04,240 super apparent when you look at it that 4882 03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:07,040 Moab Valley runs like this, right? Well, 4883 03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:09,760 property lines all run like this. So, 4884 03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:12,720 this is all just an anomaly of our 4885 03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:15,040 ungodlike behavior, our human our 4886 03:13:15,040 --> 03:13:17,040 humanity that we don't didn't at the 4887 03:13:17,040 --> 03:13:18,319 time really know how to handle 4888 03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:20,240 properties other than in boxes. This is 4889 03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:22,080 all about boxes. That's why this 4890 03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:23,600 property even exists. And the fact that 4891 03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:24,880 we didn't do something about it earlier 4892 03:13:24,880 --> 03:13:26,479 is shameful and I'm sorry that I wasn't 4893 03:13:26,479 --> 03:13:27,680 involved in doing something about it 4894 03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:29,279 when I could have. But now what we've 4895 03:13:29,279 --> 03:13:31,040 got is a situation where this property 4896 03:13:31,040 --> 03:13:32,720 runs way out into the slick rock trail 4897 03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:34,319 that is, you know, the slick rocks like 4898 03:13:34,319 --> 03:13:36,000 this. The property just jabs over here. 4899 03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38,000 Well, it's an afterthought. What's going 4900 03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:39,359 on up there? You know, everybody was 4901 03:13:39,359 --> 03:13:40,560 thinking about land that was useful 4902 03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:42,479 below. There's almost no land in Moab 4903 03:13:42,479 --> 03:13:44,000 that is up on the Slick Rock because 4904 03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:45,439 everybody thought it was useless, as we 4905 03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:47,359 heard tonight. But that's changed. It's 4906 03:13:47,359 --> 03:13:48,880 not useless anymore. People want to be 4907 03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:50,479 in places like that. I want to be there. 4908 03:13:50,479 --> 03:13:52,000 I would love to buy a property up there. 4909 03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:53,760 If it gets broke up into 5 acre lots, 4910 03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:54,720 I'm going to be one of the first people 4911 03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:56,560 to step up and see if I can afford it. 4912 03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:58,880 In fact, the first place I lived in Moab 4913 03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:02,080 was in my van 40 years ago, just down 4914 03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:03,520 there on the state lands just at the 4915 03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:05,680 base of Lion, you know, Lion's Back. 4916 03:14:05,680 --> 03:14:07,520 Spectacular. One of the best years of my 4917 03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:09,120 life. and a great place to be in the 4918 03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:10,880 winter because anyway, rocks are great 4919 03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:12,160 to live in and people are going to want 4920 03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:13,840 to do it. So [laughter] 4921 03:14:13,840 --> 03:14:15,439 anyway, 4922 03:14:15,439 --> 03:14:16,960 what can I what can I say beyond that? 4923 03:14:16,960 --> 03:14:18,800 Why do we manage the squares? Property 4924 03:14:18,800 --> 03:14:20,960 boundary doesn't make any sense. Um 4925 03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:23,520 let's let's buy this thing. Let's parcel 4926 03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:25,279 it off if we have to. Let's let's find a 4927 03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:26,800 way that the ste can get rid of that 4928 03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,560 useless chunk of rock that's overcrowded 4929 03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:31,120 already as they said and let the rest of 4930 03:14:31,120 --> 03:14:33,279 us continue to enjoy it as the skyline 4931 03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:35,680 and the recreation zone closest to town. 4932 03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:37,760 You realize this is like a kilometer 4933 03:14:37,760 --> 03:14:40,160 from town or less almost all of this 4934 03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:42,160 property. It is our backyard and we 4935 03:14:42,160 --> 03:14:43,359 should treat it like Boulder, Colorado 4936 03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:44,640 does, which is make sure that we have 4937 03:14:44,640 --> 03:14:46,319 good citizen access to the best places 4938 03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:48,239 to walk. It's one of the easiest places 4939 03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:49,920 for children to walk. It's pretty 4940 03:14:49,920 --> 03:14:51,279 harmless up there compared to all the 4941 03:14:51,279 --> 03:14:53,520 other crazy places we've got. So, we 4942 03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:54,800 should work to protect this. There's got 4943 03:14:54,800 --> 03:14:56,800 to be a solution and the should be able 4944 03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:58,640 to get their money's worth one way or 4945 03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:00,880 the other, but we don't need a, as you 4946 03:15:00,880 --> 03:15:03,200 heard, a super huge upzone to 25 times 4947 03:15:03,200 --> 03:15:04,880 the current density. Thank you. 4948 03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:08,389 >> Thank you guys. 4949 03:15:08,399 --> 03:15:10,640 » All right. Are we all done with comment 4950 03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:14,154 on this one? Come on up. 4951 03:15:14,154 --> 03:15:19,190 [clears throat] 4952 03:15:19,200 --> 03:15:21,200 » I'm Mike Duncan. I had eight years on 4953 03:15:21,200 --> 03:15:22,800 county planning commission way back, 4954 03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:24,800 four more years on city council and I've 4955 03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:26,560 been serving on Gwissa's water board as 4956 03:15:26,560 --> 03:15:30,080 well. I would encourage you to um as a 4957 03:15:30,080 --> 03:15:32,479 minimum to make the housing stipulation 4958 03:15:32,479 --> 03:15:35,359 a conditional use and among that there's 4959 03:15:35,359 --> 03:15:37,520 not only the political what what do we 4960 03:15:37,520 --> 03:15:39,600 want the town to look like that would be 4961 03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:41,200 a criteria on whether you would grant 4962 03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:43,840 that or not but 4963 03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:47,520 the hydraologist that the city hired to 4964 03:15:47,520 --> 03:15:50,720 do water studies for the future pointed 4965 03:15:50,720 --> 03:15:54,560 out that the entire eastern side of Moab 4966 03:15:54,560 --> 03:15:56,800 Valley is highly fractured. 4967 03:15:56,800 --> 03:15:58,640 And that's why Moab Springs is where it 4968 03:15:58,640 --> 03:16:01,439 is. Moab Springs was the city's first 4969 03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:05,040 commercial publicly owned waterway and 4970 03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:07,279 that's a big source of water. So you do 4971 03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:09,359 want to pay particular attention to any 4972 03:16:09,359 --> 03:16:11,040 leaks from sewer pipes and so forth 4973 03:16:11,040 --> 03:16:13,680 because you don't want to contaminate Mo 4974 03:16:13,680 --> 03:16:15,520 Springs Ranch and and the water tank 4975 03:16:15,520 --> 03:16:17,520 that city owns that sits there. Not to 4976 03:16:17,520 --> 03:16:19,840 mention the nature conservancy as well. 4977 03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:21,600 They get a good big piece of that water 4978 03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:23,920 as well. So be very careful. And one 4979 03:16:23,920 --> 03:16:25,920 final thing is um we're [clears throat] 4980 03:16:25,920 --> 03:16:28,800 running out of water kids. Uh I've done 4981 03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:32,800 quite a bit of research on u how we're 4982 03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:37,120 doing uh the the best indicator is uh 4983 03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:39,439 spring flows from the city. The county 4984 03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:42,000 doesn't have any uh springs, but the 4985 03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:44,160 city does. And I can tell you we did 4986 03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:47,840 pretty well from 1970s on up until 2000. 4987 03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:49,760 But in the last couple of decades, you 4988 03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:51,439 can watch the spring flows. to recharge 4989 03:16:51,439 --> 03:16:53,600 every spring, but they don't quite come 4990 03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:55,680 back up to where they started. And with 4991 03:16:55,680 --> 03:16:57,520 the increase in demand and and the 4992 03:16:57,520 --> 03:16:59,600 climate drying up, it portends a 4993 03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:01,439 problem. So, right at the moment, the 4994 03:17:01,439 --> 03:17:02,640 county is managing to keep their 4995 03:17:02,640 --> 03:17:04,960 wellheads covered, but don't count on it 4996 03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:07,760 lasting forever. Okay? So, be if you 4997 03:17:07,760 --> 03:17:09,600 want to grant new housing developments, 4998 03:17:09,600 --> 03:17:12,000 do so, but be very judicious about how 4999 03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:14,640 you do it. That's it. 5000 03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:15,120 >> Thank you. 5001 03:17:15,120 --> 03:17:16,640 >> Okay. Do we have anyone else that wants 5002 03:17:16,640 --> 03:17:19,520 to come speak? 5003 03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:22,399 This uh public hearing will be open 5004 03:17:22,399 --> 03:17:26,960 until next Wednesday the 15th. You can 5005 03:17:26,960 --> 03:17:29,920 comment at commission granite county 5006 03:17:29,920 --> 03:17:32,479 utah and spell it all the way out 5007 03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:35,279 granountutah.gov 5008 03:17:35,279 --> 03:17:37,840 if you have any other comments. And 5009 03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:39,040 we're going to have another public 5010 03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:42,880 hearing for another item and it's it's 5011 03:17:42,880 --> 03:17:44,960 our number two item. Well, just real 5012 03:17:44,960 --> 03:17:47,200 quick, can we are we allowed to ask ask 5013 03:17:47,200 --> 03:17:50,800 Andrew any questions? Um, I understand 5014 03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:52,479 we'll have a discussion, but I have a 5015 03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:55,840 few questions that maybe he can take 5016 03:17:55,840 --> 03:17:59,439 with him so that he can prepare for the 5017 03:17:59,439 --> 03:18:00,239 next or no, 5018 03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:02,479 >> I mean, you can you can inform him of 5019 03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:03,920 questions, but it might be better for 5020 03:18:03,920 --> 03:18:06,319 him to do it for you to do it via email. 5021 03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:07,760 >> Okay. And I'll send to the entire 5022 03:18:07,760 --> 03:18:08,479 commission. 5023 03:18:08,479 --> 03:18:09,760 >> Yeah. And he'll be prepared with them 5024 03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:11,520 for next. Okay, that'd be great. That'd 5025 03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:12,880 be great. 5026 03:18:12,880 --> 03:18:15,680 >> Thank you. Okay. So, our next one is um 5027 03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:18,399 number two on the agenda and it's 5028 03:18:18,399 --> 03:18:22,000 McValen time request for a zoning text 5029 03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:24,160 amendment to all outfitting services 5030 03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:27,279 light industrial z 5031 03:18:27,279 --> 03:18:30,160 >> Andrew Jackson uh Grand County Planner 5032 03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:32,239 and ordinance amending Grand County land 5033 03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:36,160 use code section 3.1 use table related 5034 03:18:36,160 --> 03:18:39,840 to uses in various zones particularly 5035 03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:42,319 allowing outfitters guided service and 5036 03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:45,439 facilities is not ATV as a permitted use 5037 03:18:45,439 --> 03:18:48,239 in the light industrial zone. Um the 5038 03:18:48,239 --> 03:18:52,160 background on this Mick Valentine 5039 03:18:52,160 --> 03:18:53,680 uh is requesting that the county 5040 03:18:53,680 --> 03:18:55,600 planning commission recommend to the 5041 03:18:55,600 --> 03:18:58,080 county Excuse me. 5042 03:18:58,080 --> 03:19:00,239 >> Yes. So we have this go to the planning 5043 03:19:00,239 --> 03:19:02,080 commission. So, he's requesting that the 5044 03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:05,760 county commission amend the Grand County 5045 03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:09,279 Land Use Code to permit outfitters guide 5046 03:19:09,279 --> 03:19:12,640 services and facilities ATV outfitter 5047 03:19:12,640 --> 03:19:15,040 guide services and rental businesses uh 5048 03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:18,640 not permitted um as a permitted or 5049 03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:20,239 conditional use of light industrial 5050 03:19:20,239 --> 03:19:22,239 zone. Mr. Valentine currently owns a 5051 03:19:22,239 --> 03:19:24,000 light industrial property. properties 5052 03:19:24,000 --> 03:19:27,840 located at 825 West Canry Boulevard and 5053 03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:31,600 used for a ebike business. Um the Grand 5054 03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:33,760 County land use code currently 5055 03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:35,920 identifies various land uses permitted 5056 03:19:35,920 --> 03:19:38,800 in the light industrial zone. Such uses 5057 03:19:38,800 --> 03:19:42,000 include a first story residential, 5058 03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:45,279 county, state shop, storage yards, major 5059 03:19:45,279 --> 03:19:47,200 utilities, building material sales and 5060 03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:50,160 yards, repair services, RV and boat 5061 03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:52,160 storage, and manufacturing and 5062 03:19:52,160 --> 03:19:54,399 production. The Grand Canyon land use 5063 03:19:54,399 --> 03:19:56,479 code also allows outfitters, guide 5064 03:19:56,479 --> 03:19:58,640 services, and facilities known ATV 5065 03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:01,359 outfitters, guys, and rental businesses 5066 03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:03,359 as conditional use in the multif family 5067 03:20:03,359 --> 03:20:05,920 residential zone and several commercial 5068 03:20:05,920 --> 03:20:09,040 zones. Um staff finds that this request 5069 03:20:09,040 --> 03:20:11,359 is consistent with other permanent uses 5070 03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:14,239 of a light industrial zone. Uh 5071 03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:16,080 Commissioner Randy Dave made the 5072 03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:17,920 following motion. Having considered a 5073 03:20:17,920 --> 03:20:20,080 staff report and recommendations, public 5074 03:20:20,080 --> 03:20:22,560 comment, testimony, lady's code, and 5075 03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:26,479 finding that Mick Valentine request for 5076 03:20:26,479 --> 03:20:28,880 outfitter guy services and facilities 5077 03:20:28,880 --> 03:20:31,680 nonattv outfitters 5078 03:20:31,680 --> 03:20:35,120 um is uh similar to other permitted uses 5079 03:20:35,120 --> 03:20:37,279 in the light industrial zone. He 5080 03:20:37,279 --> 03:20:39,760 recommended approval of the ordinance to 5081 03:20:39,760 --> 03:20:42,239 county commission. 5082 03:20:42,239 --> 03:20:44,000 And so again, this is just the public 5083 03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:46,080 hearing portion 5084 03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:47,680 uh of this request. 5085 03:20:47,680 --> 03:20:49,920 >> Okay. Thank you. Is Mr. 5086 03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:50,640 >> I am present. 5087 03:20:50,640 --> 03:20:52,080 >> Yeah. I come up. 5088 03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:54,960 >> Sure. 5089 03:20:54,960 --> 03:20:56,160 >> Here. 5090 03:20:56,160 --> 03:20:57,920 >> You can talk either way. That one or 5091 03:20:57,920 --> 03:20:59,120 this one? 5092 03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:01,439 >> Microphone. 5093 03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:03,520 >> So yeah, basically what Andrew said is 5094 03:21:03,520 --> 03:21:06,479 true. Um, I've been operating ebike mo 5095 03:21:06,479 --> 03:21:09,279 um for the last 6 years and the property 5096 03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:11,680 which I purchased 30 years ago is zone 5097 03:21:11,680 --> 03:21:13,680 light industrial. So it's it's kind of a 5098 03:21:13,680 --> 03:21:15,359 downgrade. I figure it's better than a 5099 03:21:15,359 --> 03:21:18,319 cement plant. So all look to do is a 5100 03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:20,560 little bit of outfitting. Absolutely no 5101 03:21:20,560 --> 03:21:23,840 ATVs, UTVs or any kind of four wheels at 5102 03:21:23,840 --> 03:21:25,120 all. 5103 03:21:25,120 --> 03:21:28,479 So just giving us the ability to kind of 5104 03:21:28,479 --> 03:21:31,600 run some raptor trip type thing from 5105 03:21:31,600 --> 03:21:36,000 that is all we're looking to do this. 5106 03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:37,600 >> Okay. 5107 03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:39,760 All right. Well, we'll open it up to the 5108 03:21:39,760 --> 03:21:42,080 public to come up and speak if they have 5109 03:21:42,080 --> 03:21:43,279 any. 5110 03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:43,680 >> All right. 5111 03:21:43,680 --> 03:21:44,399 >> So, thank you. 5112 03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:44,960 >> Thank you very much. 5113 03:21:44,960 --> 03:21:47,359 >> I'm sorry I said your name wrong. All 5114 03:21:47,359 --> 03:21:49,600 right. Judy, come on up. 5115 03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:52,319 >> Seems you need my day here. 5116 03:21:52,319 --> 03:21:54,399 >> On a roll. Yeah, I guess our time's a 5117 03:21:54,399 --> 03:21:55,279 charm. 5118 03:21:55,279 --> 03:21:58,479 >> Hi, I'm Judy Powers and my concern is 5119 03:21:58,479 --> 03:22:00,239 that we have very limited light 5120 03:22:00,239 --> 03:22:03,040 industrial zoning and again we're doing 5121 03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:05,200 it's not an up zone. It's technically I 5122 03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:08,160 guess sort of a down zone, but I think I 5123 03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:10,239 don't understand why we can't do a uh 5124 03:22:10,239 --> 03:22:11,680 conditional zoning for this. 5125 03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:13,520 >> Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. 5126 03:22:13,520 --> 03:22:15,200 >> No, you're looking to change the zone. 5127 03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:16,640 >> No, I'm not looking to change the zone. 5128 03:22:16,640 --> 03:22:18,880 I own the property. I'm not the public. 5129 03:22:18,880 --> 03:22:20,160 >> Wait a minute. Sorry, guys. [laughter] 5130 03:22:20,160 --> 03:22:22,720 We had chat back and forth. 5131 03:22:22,720 --> 03:22:25,279 So, I I mean, I would like it. I think 5132 03:22:25,279 --> 03:22:27,520 what he's asking for is semi-reasonable, 5133 03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:29,840 except for that 5134 03:22:29,840 --> 03:22:32,399 really crappy road where he's located. 5135 03:22:32,399 --> 03:22:34,479 Um, and having more traffic there, I 5136 03:22:34,479 --> 03:22:36,800 think seems really problematic. So, if 5137 03:22:36,800 --> 03:22:39,439 you don't know where it is, it's past 5138 03:22:39,439 --> 03:22:41,359 the workforce services going out Can 5139 03:22:41,359 --> 03:22:44,880 Creek on the left. 5140 03:22:44,880 --> 03:22:48,640 So I think uh if we I mean I think we 5141 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:50,560 have a real issue with not having a lot 5142 03:22:50,560 --> 03:22:53,840 of light industrial zone. That's huge 5143 03:22:53,840 --> 03:22:56,720 issue for small businesses around there. 5144 03:22:56,720 --> 03:22:58,239 If you want to get something besides 5145 03:22:58,239 --> 03:22:59,840 tourism, that's something to think 5146 03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:01,040 about. 5147 03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:03,120 >> Thank you. 5148 03:23:03,120 --> 03:23:04,239 >> Anyone else? 5149 03:23:04,239 --> 03:23:07,359 >> Can I give three minutes? 5150 03:23:07,359 --> 03:23:11,200 >> Public comment. No, he's he's the 5151 03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:12,720 applicant wants to speak. Listen to all 5152 03:23:12,720 --> 03:23:14,720 the other comments and then if there's 5153 03:23:14,720 --> 03:23:16,560 anything else you want, the chair may 5154 03:23:16,560 --> 03:23:18,000 consider giving you additional time at 5155 03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:19,520 the end, but we're not going to do we 5156 03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:21,200 don't do a back and forth. You get one 5157 03:23:21,200 --> 03:23:23,120 after that. So, let let the comments 5158 03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:25,520 come through and and today is not the 5159 03:23:25,520 --> 03:23:26,960 vote. So, 5160 03:23:26,960 --> 03:23:30,000 >> we don't 5161 03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:34,950 agree 5162 03:23:34,960 --> 03:23:36,080 after lunch. 5163 03:23:36,080 --> 03:23:40,239 >> Thank you. Anyone have anyone? 5164 03:23:40,239 --> 03:23:42,560 >> Anyone else in the chamber that wants to 5165 03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:47,910 speak? 5166 03:23:47,920 --> 03:23:49,840 » Okay. Well, then come on up. 5167 03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:52,160 >> Go ahead and give us 5168 03:23:52,160 --> 03:23:55,120 talk for three more minutes. 5169 03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:56,960 >> So, just so I'm very clear, I'm not 5170 03:23:56,960 --> 03:23:58,720 looking at changing the zoning on the 5171 03:23:58,720 --> 03:24:00,880 property. We're looking for amendment on 5172 03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:03,040 it so we can 5173 03:24:03,040 --> 03:24:05,439 >> do what is already being done. And as 5174 03:24:05,439 --> 03:24:07,520 regards to the the size of the road, so 5175 03:24:07,520 --> 03:24:10,399 it will remain light industrial. 5176 03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:13,200 Um, as regards to the side of the road, 5177 03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:16,319 the size physical size of the road. 5178 03:24:16,319 --> 03:24:18,479 There could be a cement plant open up 5179 03:24:18,479 --> 03:24:20,880 there with big trucks. I mean, we're not 5180 03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:24,399 looking at high impact transportation 5181 03:24:24,399 --> 03:24:27,120 going down the road. So, nor are we 5182 03:24:27,120 --> 03:24:28,800 looking to change the zone. So, it will 5183 03:24:28,800 --> 03:24:31,040 remain light industrial. 5184 03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:32,000 >> Thank you. 5185 03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:35,040 Okay. All right. So, this 5186 03:24:35,040 --> 03:24:37,680 also is a public hearing and it will be 5187 03:24:37,680 --> 03:24:40,960 open until Wednesday the 15th at 5:00 5188 03:24:40,960 --> 03:24:44,000 p.m. You can message commission at 5189 03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:45,920 granite countyutah.gov 5190 03:24:45,920 --> 03:24:48,319 if you have any more comments. Thank 5191 03:24:48,319 --> 03:24:52,239 you. And it'll be on April 21st agenda 5192 03:24:52,239 --> 03:24:55,359 and we are going to go back to our 5193 03:24:55,359 --> 03:24:57,680 regular 5194 03:24:57,680 --> 03:25:00,239 agenda. So, we on number 11. Fant, thank 5195 03:25:00,239 --> 03:25:01,920 you for being so patient back there and 5196 03:25:01,920 --> 03:25:04,800 thanks everyone for coming. Um, position 5197 03:25:04,800 --> 03:25:06,960 backfill request with Tess Barger, our 5198 03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:09,439 personal our personnel services 5199 03:25:09,439 --> 03:25:15,990 director. 5200 03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:18,560 » All right. Um, good evening, 5201 03:25:18,560 --> 03:25:20,160 commissioners. I tend to be a little bit 5202 03:25:20,160 --> 03:25:22,239 of a broken record in terms of one of my 5203 03:25:22,239 --> 03:25:24,560 agenda items that I am uh coming to you 5204 03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:27,200 with fairly frequently these days. So 5205 03:25:27,200 --> 03:25:29,600 number 11 is position backfill requests. 5206 03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:32,640 We have two requests and I'll go through 5207 03:25:32,640 --> 03:25:36,160 them one at a time. Um there was a 5208 03:25:36,160 --> 03:25:38,239 deputy assessor position that just 5209 03:25:38,239 --> 03:25:40,399 recently became vacant several weeks 5210 03:25:40,399 --> 03:25:42,239 ago. This is a different position than 5211 03:25:42,239 --> 03:25:44,239 the one that you all approved in 5212 03:25:44,239 --> 03:25:46,319 January. Um a different staff member 5213 03:25:46,319 --> 03:25:50,000 that departed. And the requests for this 5214 03:25:50,000 --> 03:25:52,560 deputy assessor position are similar to 5215 03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:54,800 those that were expressed last time, 5216 03:25:54,800 --> 03:25:57,200 which is that based on the level of 5217 03:25:57,200 --> 03:25:59,279 capacity that they need in order to 5218 03:25:59,279 --> 03:26:00,960 maintain the level of service that they 5219 03:26:00,960 --> 03:26:04,080 currently offer, um the assessor has 5220 03:26:04,080 --> 03:26:06,160 requested to be able to backfill that 5221 03:26:06,160 --> 03:26:10,150 full-time position. 5222 03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:12,319 » Mike, 5223 03:26:12,319 --> 03:26:15,040 >> uh this is just to fill uh a previously 5224 03:26:15,040 --> 03:26:17,200 vacated spot, right? This isn't a new 5225 03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:17,920 position. 5226 03:26:17,920 --> 03:26:19,359 >> Correct. Correct. It's not a new 5227 03:26:19,359 --> 03:26:21,439 position. It was budgeted for um 5228 03:26:21,439 --> 03:26:23,040 >> Yeah, it was already 26. 5229 03:26:23,040 --> 03:26:24,228 >> That was my next question. So, 5230 03:26:24,228 --> 03:26:24,399 [laughter] 5231 03:26:24,399 --> 03:26:24,640 >> yeah. 5232 03:26:24,640 --> 03:26:26,319 >> Uh with that, I move to approve the 5233 03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:28,319 backfill and fulltime deputy lesser 5234 03:26:28,319 --> 03:26:29,600 position. 5235 03:26:29,600 --> 03:26:30,319 >> Second. 5236 03:26:30,319 --> 03:26:32,080 My break. Any more discussion or 5237 03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:36,710 questions? 5238 03:26:36,720 --> 03:26:38,319 » Okay. I'm going to go ahead and call for 5239 03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:42,319 the vote. Those in favor of this 5240 03:26:42,319 --> 03:26:45,760 position filling, sorry. I 5241 03:26:45,760 --> 03:26:46,479 >> I 5242 03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:53,520 >> Okay, so that passes five with two abs. 5243 03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:55,120 Commissioner Winfield and Commissioner 5244 03:26:55,120 --> 03:26:55,600 Man. 5245 03:26:55,600 --> 03:26:57,520 >> That was that [laughter] was 5246 03:26:57,520 --> 03:27:00,720 >> you had to sit there. 5247 03:27:00,720 --> 03:27:02,160 >> So interesting tonight. Deputy, thank 5248 03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:03,520 you. [laughter] 5249 03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:06,080 >> Okay. And then our next one, chief 5250 03:27:06,080 --> 03:27:07,520 deputy treasurer. 5251 03:27:07,520 --> 03:27:09,520 >> Yes. Thank you. the chief deputy 5252 03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:12,239 treasurer, our current chief deputy is 5253 03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:14,399 going to be leaving the county in June 5254 03:27:14,399 --> 03:27:19,920 of 2026. Um, and this request is for us 5255 03:27:19,920 --> 03:27:22,160 to backfill this position as soon as 5256 03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:25,040 we're able to. Um, while the position is 5257 03:27:25,040 --> 03:27:26,800 posted, we have not made any movement on 5258 03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:28,239 it. We haven't started interviewing 5259 03:27:28,239 --> 03:27:31,120 applicants um or engaging in any any 5260 03:27:31,120 --> 03:27:33,040 part of the selection process until 5261 03:27:33,040 --> 03:27:36,880 receiving um from the commission. Um but 5262 03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:38,399 there is only the treasurer and the 5263 03:27:38,399 --> 03:27:40,160 chief deputy treasurer. So there is a 5264 03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:42,720 necessity to have the second in command 5265 03:27:42,720 --> 03:27:45,200 position. And again the request to back 5266 03:27:45,200 --> 03:27:46,800 fill it as soon as possible is so that 5267 03:27:46,800 --> 03:27:49,040 there is time for cross trainining prior 5268 03:27:49,040 --> 03:27:52,560 to the chief deputy's departure in June. 5269 03:27:52,560 --> 03:27:54,479 >> Okay. Go ahead Mike. 5270 03:27:54,479 --> 03:27:57,760 >> I move to approve the backfill of the of 5271 03:27:57,760 --> 03:27:59,359 full-time chief deputy treasury 5272 03:27:59,359 --> 03:28:01,120 position. 5273 03:28:01,120 --> 03:28:03,200 Okay. We have first by Mike and a second 5274 03:28:03,200 --> 03:28:04,720 by Brian. Any other questions or 5275 03:28:04,720 --> 03:28:07,359 comments? 5276 03:28:07,359 --> 03:28:09,200 Okay. So, we're going to call for a 5277 03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:13,200 vote. I'll wait till Mary sits down 5278 03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:16,399 with us if she wants to. Um, those in 5279 03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:19,200 favor of filling the chief deputy 5280 03:28:19,200 --> 03:28:23,600 treasurer position say hi. And that 5281 03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:26,960 passes 70. And Mary Lee will be missed. 5282 03:28:26,960 --> 03:28:30,800 I got to get somebody. So, thank you. 5283 03:28:30,800 --> 03:28:32,640 Thanks, Tess. 5284 03:28:32,640 --> 03:28:35,040 All right. Number 12, an ordinance 5285 03:28:35,040 --> 03:28:37,920 repealing or yes, an ordinance repealing 5286 03:28:37,920 --> 03:28:41,680 ordinance 616 that was in 2020 for OV 5287 03:28:41,680 --> 03:28:43,359 speed limits. And this is one that I put 5288 03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:46,000 on there. [clears throat] Um, currently 5289 03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:47,920 the city is discussing this. It's been 5290 03:28:47,920 --> 03:28:49,520 long conversations when I was up the 5291 03:28:49,520 --> 03:28:53,520 state capital this winter was also spoke 5292 03:28:53,520 --> 03:28:55,680 about how we have speed limit signs in 5293 03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:59,120 our community that say OBV speed limit 5294 03:28:59,120 --> 03:29:00,800 which 5295 03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:05,120 only would go for offh highway vehicles. 5296 03:29:05,120 --> 03:29:08,239 And so when we have signs that say OB 5297 03:29:08,239 --> 03:29:10,560 speed limits, the public thinks that 5298 03:29:10,560 --> 03:29:13,120 they can ride 5299 03:29:13,120 --> 03:29:16,239 illegal OBS in our community. And so 5300 03:29:16,239 --> 03:29:18,000 removing those speed limits is going to 5301 03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:21,200 help law enforcement to to be able to 5302 03:29:21,200 --> 03:29:23,439 maintain the speed limit. So if it's 35 5303 03:29:23,439 --> 03:29:26,960 m an hour and that 35 m an hour is a 5304 03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:29,680 zone that is whether you are a street 5305 03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:31,840 legal OD or you're just a regular 5306 03:29:31,840 --> 03:29:34,399 vehicle car on the road, they should be 5307 03:29:34,399 --> 03:29:36,960 treated the same. And so taking those 5308 03:29:36,960 --> 03:29:38,479 down in the county, I know the city's 5309 03:29:38,479 --> 03:29:39,920 taking them down and they're looking at 5310 03:29:39,920 --> 03:29:41,600 some routes for noise. I think in the 5311 03:29:41,600 --> 03:29:43,040 county I think we need to follow suit 5312 03:29:43,040 --> 03:29:44,960 and take those down. And that's the 5313 03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:47,600 purpose of this. So anyways, go ahead, 5314 03:29:47,600 --> 03:29:50,080 Trish. Oh, I think is up. I think both 5315 03:29:50,080 --> 03:29:50,640 these guys 5316 03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:52,640 >> I probably have [laughter] 5317 03:29:52,640 --> 03:29:54,160 you guys go. You know what I'm gonna 5318 03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:54,560 say. 5319 03:29:54,560 --> 03:29:55,920 >> All right. So, go ahead. Either one of 5320 03:29:55,920 --> 03:29:56,720 those go ahead. 5321 03:29:56,720 --> 03:29:58,960 >> Um, first off, uh, the city hasn't moved 5322 03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:00,560 on this. I know they are discussing it, 5323 03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:01,840 but it's it's going to be on one of 5324 03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:03,040 their future agendas. They haven't 5325 03:30:03,040 --> 03:30:05,040 started taking signs down at all. I I I 5326 03:30:05,040 --> 03:30:07,359 checked around and um, so that 5327 03:30:07,359 --> 03:30:09,520 information in the packet wasn't uh, 5328 03:30:09,520 --> 03:30:13,840 correct. Um, second, I do understand the 5329 03:30:13,840 --> 03:30:16,319 issue and and we did discuss it with 5330 03:30:16,319 --> 03:30:18,399 Jameson a little bit about about people 5331 03:30:18,399 --> 03:30:20,800 assuming that because the sign says OBV 5332 03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:24,880 with speed limit that it it may allow 5333 03:30:24,880 --> 03:30:26,479 people assume that allows them to drive 5334 03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:30,160 their illegal, not street legal 5335 03:30:30,160 --> 03:30:32,720 >> uh vehicles on the highway or on the on 5336 03:30:32,720 --> 03:30:35,760 the public roads. Um, so I I understand 5337 03:30:35,760 --> 03:30:39,840 that's a concern and I appreciate that. 5338 03:30:39,840 --> 03:30:43,200 I personally think that 5339 03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:46,560 nothing has helped reduce the noise in 5340 03:30:46,560 --> 03:30:48,080 this area more than reducing the speed 5341 03:30:48,080 --> 03:30:50,239 limits for OVs. I live on a super busy 5342 03:30:50,239 --> 03:30:52,160 OV street. I live on Fourth North. 5343 03:30:52,160 --> 03:30:53,600 There's three rental places at the end 5344 03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:55,120 of my street. They drive down my street 5345 03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:57,600 all the time going out to to King Creek 5346 03:30:57,600 --> 03:30:59,760 and Harat Pass. And when they're driving 5347 03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:02,000 past at 15 miles an hour, they are half 5348 03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:05,040 as loud as when they drive at 25. Um, I 5349 03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:06,560 was also involved in the original noise 5350 03:31:06,560 --> 03:31:08,880 ordinance uh discussions back when I 5351 03:31:08,880 --> 03:31:11,920 first became a commissioner in 2021. Um, 5352 03:31:11,920 --> 03:31:15,040 we hired a a sound expert and we bought 5353 03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:17,279 a bunch of expensive uh sound testing 5354 03:31:17,279 --> 03:31:19,439 equipment. I went out with the sheriffs 5355 03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:21,120 a number of times and we tested that 5356 03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:23,040 equipment in various spots around the 5357 03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:26,640 county and the city. Um, and there's 5358 03:31:26,640 --> 03:31:28,560 absolutely no question that a vehicle 5359 03:31:28,560 --> 03:31:31,200 OV, especially moving at 15 mph, is far 5360 03:31:31,200 --> 03:31:35,040 quieter than one moving at 25. Um, so I 5361 03:31:35,040 --> 03:31:36,880 I'm not in favor of this. I think it's 5362 03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:38,560 one of the few tools that we have. We've 5363 03:31:38,560 --> 03:31:40,479 been told extensively to use the tools 5364 03:31:40,479 --> 03:31:41,840 in our toolbox, which the states 5365 03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:46,000 continue to take away from us. Um, I I 5366 03:31:46,000 --> 03:31:47,520 understand where it's coming from. I 5367 03:31:47,520 --> 03:31:49,680 understand it's not like a it's not like 5368 03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:51,279 a 5369 03:31:51,279 --> 03:31:53,600 it's it's it's fair. It's a fair it's a 5370 03:31:53,600 --> 03:31:56,080 fair issue, but I'm I'm not in favor of 5371 03:31:56,080 --> 03:32:00,800 it. I would also 5372 03:32:00,800 --> 03:32:03,279 not move on this yet. I'd wait for the 5373 03:32:03,279 --> 03:32:04,640 city because I think the city the city 5374 03:32:04,640 --> 03:32:05,920 hasn't made up their mind yet. I've 5375 03:32:05,920 --> 03:32:07,760 talked to just today I talked to at 5376 03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:09,200 least three elected officials in the 5377 03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:11,600 city. That's going to happen in the next 5378 03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:15,359 uh couple of weeks and and and 5379 03:32:15,359 --> 03:32:17,040 we're not sure how they're going to move 5380 03:32:17,040 --> 03:32:20,399 on that. So, I would uh be reticent to 5381 03:32:20,399 --> 03:32:22,160 move before the city and and wait for 5382 03:32:22,160 --> 03:32:23,600 them to make the move first and then 5383 03:32:23,600 --> 03:32:26,560 maybe adapt accordingly. Um but I'm not 5384 03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:28,000 going to vote for it. 5385 03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:29,120 >> Mike, 5386 03:32:29,120 --> 03:32:30,560 >> I'd like to make the motion. I move to 5387 03:32:30,560 --> 03:32:31,040 approve the 5388 03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:32,000 >> Sorry, I just know you. 5389 03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:33,439 >> Okay, you're okay. You're next. Oh, 5390 03:32:33,439 --> 03:32:35,760 >> you're okay. You go. You your hand was 5391 03:32:35,760 --> 03:32:36,319 up first. 5392 03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:37,120 >> Oh, 5393 03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:37,840 >> go. 5394 03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:39,120 >> Like to make a motion to approve the 5395 03:32:39,120 --> 03:32:42,720 ordinance repealing ordinance 616 OV 5396 03:32:42,720 --> 03:32:48,070 speed limits in its entirety. 5397 03:32:48,080 --> 03:32:49,040 » Second. 5398 03:32:49,040 --> 03:32:50,880 >> Oh, yeah. I'm not seconding. 5399 03:32:50,880 --> 03:32:54,229 >> I'm just wait. 5400 03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:57,760 » And go ahead, Trish. Um, I I'm going to 5401 03:32:57,760 --> 03:32:59,279 agree with a number of things that 5402 03:32:59,279 --> 03:33:01,600 Jacques said, but I would ask that we 5403 03:33:01,600 --> 03:33:03,200 postpone this and wait for this city. 5404 03:33:03,200 --> 03:33:05,120 And you you kind of said that when you 5405 03:33:05,120 --> 03:33:06,960 were doing the initial statements, like 5406 03:33:06,960 --> 03:33:08,479 we want to I don't can't remember 5407 03:33:08,479 --> 03:33:10,800 exactly how you said it, but um you did 5408 03:33:10,800 --> 03:33:13,439 kind of say we want to be with the city. 5409 03:33:13,439 --> 03:33:15,439 And so I'd actually think we just wait 5410 03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:17,520 for the city. My understanding I did 5411 03:33:17,520 --> 03:33:21,200 talk to the mayor um about this and she 5412 03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:22,800 said they were going to study it a 5413 03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:24,640 little bit. they may leave a couple 5414 03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:26,640 routes where they keep the speed limit 5415 03:33:26,640 --> 03:33:29,200 low. Um, so I think we just wait for 5416 03:33:29,200 --> 03:33:31,600 them and see where they go. I speaking 5417 03:33:31,600 --> 03:33:34,640 to Jameson, he definitely stated that we 5418 03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:36,479 want to have a unified approach with 5419 03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:39,840 both the city and and the county. And so 5420 03:33:39,840 --> 03:33:41,520 I just think we wait for them. We 5421 03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:43,439 postpone this, wait to see what they do, 5422 03:33:43,439 --> 03:33:46,640 and then we move. I will state from my 5423 03:33:46,640 --> 03:33:48,160 perspective being one of the few 5424 03:33:48,160 --> 03:33:49,680 commissioners that actually lives in the 5425 03:33:49,680 --> 03:33:54,160 county not in the city. Um I think one 5426 03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:56,720 of the big issues out there because you 5427 03:33:56,720 --> 03:34:00,000 know I you know I I occasionally get 5428 03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:01,680 behind the lines out there on Spanish 5429 03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:03,200 Valley drives. 30 miles an hour is 5430 03:34:03,200 --> 03:34:07,040 painful. 20 is really painful. Um it is 5431 03:34:07,040 --> 03:34:09,279 what it is. I would say the biggest 5432 03:34:09,279 --> 03:34:11,040 thing we could probably do for members 5433 03:34:11,040 --> 03:34:13,359 and this is just a thought in the future 5434 03:34:13,359 --> 03:34:14,640 because it sounds like Mel you've been 5435 03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:16,640 talking to legislators upstate is 5436 03:34:16,640 --> 03:34:18,479 allowing a curfew and it's something we 5437 03:34:18,479 --> 03:34:19,920 approached in the past and they never 5438 03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:21,600 would allow it but I'll tell you a 5439 03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:23,760 couple it wasn't that maybe I think it 5440 03:34:23,760 --> 03:34:25,680 was Friday night I got woken up at like 5441 03:34:25,680 --> 03:34:29,040 1:00 in the morning by the drone and I 5442 03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:30,880 don't live right next to Spanish valley 5443 03:34:30,880 --> 03:34:32,640 drive Jameson says it's really bad cuz 5444 03:34:32,640 --> 03:34:34,880 he lives right next to Spanish drive so 5445 03:34:34,880 --> 03:34:36,880 I think that's the most kind thing we 5446 03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:38,640 can do for our community members is just 5447 03:34:38,640 --> 03:34:41,359 having a curfew on them. Right. 10. We I 5448 03:34:41,359 --> 03:34:44,239 think we tried for 10 to 6 10:00 p.m. to 5449 03:34:44,239 --> 03:34:46,239 6:00 a.m. and it they wouldn't allow it 5450 03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:46,880 through. But 5451 03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:48,000 >> 6 a.m. to 5452 03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:49,840 >> Yeah. 6 a.m. Yeah. You know what I'm 5453 03:34:49,840 --> 03:34:51,600 saying? From 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. we 5454 03:34:51,600 --> 03:34:53,600 had we had that moratorum or they 5455 03:34:53,600 --> 03:34:55,840 couldn't drive. But my my recommendation 5456 03:34:55,840 --> 03:34:58,399 is we just allow the city to make their 5457 03:34:58,399 --> 03:35:00,000 decision and then we follow suit. And 5458 03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:03,040 I'm you know I'm down with following 5459 03:35:03,040 --> 03:35:03,760 suit. 5460 03:35:03,760 --> 03:35:05,279 >> Larry, go ahead. 5461 03:35:05,279 --> 03:35:08,880 Uh I I talked to uh city city people too 5462 03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:11,200 and and what what they're going to do 5463 03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:13,439 and I you know I I would like to see us 5464 03:35:13,439 --> 03:35:14,960 do something similar. They're going to 5465 03:35:14,960 --> 03:35:18,160 really they're not going to change all 5466 03:35:18,160 --> 03:35:22,560 these. I think the biggest issue is that 5467 03:35:22,560 --> 03:35:24,560 they don't 5468 03:35:24,560 --> 03:35:27,520 it it gives the illusion that you don't 5469 03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:30,880 have to have all the straight legal 5470 03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:35,200 aspects to your OP when you have that 5471 03:35:35,200 --> 03:35:37,920 separate thing. So, you know, I think 5472 03:35:37,920 --> 03:35:41,520 they're looking at having if if all the 5473 03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:44,560 uh speed limits be the same, 5474 03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:48,239 but maybe in areas say like in Jacques 5475 03:35:48,239 --> 03:35:50,560 uh where you in areas where there's a 5476 03:35:50,560 --> 03:35:53,439 lot of them that everyone drives at a 5477 03:35:53,439 --> 03:35:55,680 certain speed. 5478 03:35:55,680 --> 03:35:57,359 I think they're taking the time to 5479 03:35:57,359 --> 03:35:59,920 really look at how to move forward 5480 03:35:59,920 --> 03:36:02,560 through with this because, you know, it 5481 03:36:02,560 --> 03:36:05,840 is lowering the speed limit did help a 5482 03:36:05,840 --> 03:36:08,319 lot. People I have a lot of friends that 5483 03:36:08,319 --> 03:36:10,319 live on locust lanes. They said that 5484 03:36:10,319 --> 03:36:12,319 really helped a [clears throat] huge 5485 03:36:12,319 --> 03:36:14,640 amount when people weren't heading up to 5486 03:36:14,640 --> 03:36:17,439 sp you know sand flats going 20 miles an 5487 03:36:17,439 --> 03:36:21,920 hour. Uh I I and I talked to Jameson for 5488 03:36:21,920 --> 03:36:23,600 quite a bit and he really wants it 5489 03:36:23,600 --> 03:36:26,800 changed so that we don't have the OBV 5490 03:36:26,800 --> 03:36:30,880 sign underneath it where it says OV 15 m 5491 03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:33,920 an hour, 20 m an hour, 15. He says that 5492 03:36:33,920 --> 03:36:37,040 creates some real problems on many 5493 03:36:37,040 --> 03:36:40,160 levels. It's totally un 5494 03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:42,479 enforcable and we couldn't take it like 5495 03:36:42,479 --> 03:36:44,080 somebody could fight it and take it to 5496 03:36:44,080 --> 03:36:47,920 court and there's nothing we could do. I missed that last part. What was what 5497 03:36:47,920 --> 03:36:49,120 do you say was uninforceable? 5498 03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:52,239 >> It It's a very hard to 5499 03:36:52,239 --> 03:36:53,359 >> enforce this 5500 03:36:53,359 --> 03:36:55,920 >> for noise or for 5501 03:36:55,920 --> 03:36:56,560 >> I'm sorry. 5502 03:36:56,560 --> 03:36:58,399 >> So, even the speed limit because when 5503 03:36:58,399 --> 03:37:01,760 you read the Anyway, he says it's hard 5504 03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:02,880 to enforce it. 5505 03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:05,600 >> Not necessarily. I mean, if if you guys 5506 03:37:05,600 --> 03:37:06,720 are asking my question, it's strict 5507 03:37:06,720 --> 03:37:08,720 liability for traffic code. Traffic code 5508 03:37:08,720 --> 03:37:10,239 doesn't require intent. So, if you 5509 03:37:10,239 --> 03:37:13,920 violate the code and that's what it is, 5510 03:37:13,920 --> 03:37:15,600 you violate the code. So you don't have 5511 03:37:15,600 --> 03:37:17,760 to prove uh there's a there's a classic 5512 03:37:17,760 --> 03:37:19,600 saying negligence is no defense of the 5513 03:37:19,600 --> 03:37:22,319 law. So just because you didn't know or 5514 03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:23,520 you didn't know that this speed limit 5515 03:37:23,520 --> 03:37:24,720 was this or you thought that you could 5516 03:37:24,720 --> 03:37:25,920 drive on this road but you weren't 5517 03:37:25,920 --> 03:37:29,840 permitted. It's still enforcable. Um we 5518 03:37:29,840 --> 03:37:31,279 don't see tickets for a lot of these 5519 03:37:31,279 --> 03:37:32,960 things though to be very honest. I don't 5520 03:37:32,960 --> 03:37:36,160 think I've seen a single UHV or UTV 5521 03:37:36,160 --> 03:37:39,120 ticket for exceeding the speed. It 5522 03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:40,560 doesn't they don't get challenged very 5523 03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:42,800 often. I don't see them very often. So 5524 03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:43,600 not 5525 03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:45,680 >> I don't know. Uh, I do think we need to 5526 03:37:45,680 --> 03:37:47,279 relook at it. I think it's really 5527 03:37:47,279 --> 03:37:49,040 important to relook at it and I think 5528 03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:51,359 the city's looking relooking at it, but 5529 03:37:51,359 --> 03:37:54,640 I think maybe before we repeal it, we 5530 03:37:54,640 --> 03:37:56,239 should really decide what we want to 5531 03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:58,319 repeal it to, 5532 03:37:58,319 --> 03:38:00,720 you know, do a little more. 5533 03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:02,319 >> Go ahead, Frank. 5534 03:38:02,319 --> 03:38:04,000 >> And you caught my second on that motion, 5535 03:38:04,000 --> 03:38:04,319 correct? 5536 03:38:04,319 --> 03:38:04,800 >> I did. 5537 03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:07,040 >> Okay. Just making sure I was I was the 5538 03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:08,479 lead. I guess discussion with [laughter] 5539 03:38:08,479 --> 03:38:08,800 that. 5540 03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:10,319 >> Oh, I was I thought I was left in the 5541 03:38:10,319 --> 03:38:10,720 weed. 5542 03:38:10,720 --> 03:38:12,560 >> No, no, no, no. I had you right there. 5543 03:38:12,560 --> 03:38:16,160 It was all good. Um, so yeah, I I I I'm 5544 03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:18,160 just wondering if your conversations are 5545 03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:21,439 confusing two things, right? So there's 5546 03:38:21,439 --> 03:38:24,239 one which is taking the signs down, 5547 03:38:24,239 --> 03:38:26,560 which it says right here, city manager 5548 03:38:26,560 --> 03:38:28,479 Michael Black said the city will remove 5549 03:38:28,479 --> 03:38:32,239 the 15 m per hour speed limit signs that 5550 03:38:32,239 --> 03:38:35,520 uh apply specifically to OVs to be taken 5551 03:38:35,520 --> 03:38:37,920 down within the next month. Andrew's 5552 03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:40,319 here. He wrote that. [laughter] 5553 03:38:40,319 --> 03:38:41,840 >> That's right. 5554 03:38:41,840 --> 03:38:44,160 And then the the the second is right is 5555 03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:45,600 they were talking about actually 5556 03:38:45,600 --> 03:38:48,080 lowering the speed limits, right? So 5557 03:38:48,080 --> 03:38:50,960 rather than having it be, you know, 25 5558 03:38:50,960 --> 03:38:55,520 for vehicles and 15 for uh uh uh uh um 5559 03:38:55,520 --> 03:38:58,160 for OVs, it would just be 15 for all 5560 03:38:58,160 --> 03:39:00,239 vehicle traffic. And I think that's 5561 03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:01,439 where we're actually getting the 5562 03:39:01,439 --> 03:39:05,040 confusion at right here. Um is there's two different things. And 5563 03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:06,640 then once again, what Mel was talking 5564 03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:09,520 about up at the state, um there was some 5565 03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:11,760 folks that were talking to try to have 5566 03:39:11,760 --> 03:39:13,840 this added in because even up at the 5567 03:39:13,840 --> 03:39:16,080 state, they said that it's not possible 5568 03:39:16,080 --> 03:39:19,359 to have um a specific speed limit set 5569 03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:22,800 for OVs. So So what what what we have 5570 03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:24,880 going on right now, um like Mel had 5571 03:39:24,880 --> 03:39:27,200 said, is not legal. Um, under my 5572 03:39:27,200 --> 03:39:29,200 understanding, if I go out to Hanksville 5573 03:39:29,200 --> 03:39:31,200 and I want my kids to go ride on their 5574 03:39:31,200 --> 03:39:33,359 OV right down the side of the road, 5575 03:39:33,359 --> 03:39:34,800 right, there's a little sign that says 5576 03:39:34,800 --> 03:39:37,760 OV and it says 15 mph. And that means 5577 03:39:37,760 --> 03:39:39,520 that they can ride their OV with their 5578 03:39:39,520 --> 03:39:41,520 little sticker on it right down that 5579 03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:44,239 little side road. And so there are other 5580 03:39:44,239 --> 03:39:46,399 counties in towns in Utah that already 5581 03:39:46,399 --> 03:39:48,880 have this in place. We have tried to use 5582 03:39:48,880 --> 03:39:50,720 it for a different way that it's it is a 5583 03:39:50,720 --> 03:39:52,560 great tool, but it's not a tool that I 5584 03:39:52,560 --> 03:39:54,960 think is actually legal for us to use. 5585 03:39:54,960 --> 03:39:56,800 And that's why I think the city has gone 5586 03:39:56,800 --> 03:39:59,840 ahead taken those taken the signs down 5587 03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:01,680 and they're talking about lowering that 5588 03:40:01,680 --> 03:40:03,920 speed limit, which I mean to me I 5589 03:40:03,920 --> 03:40:05,840 actually I agree with on those roads, 5590 03:40:05,840 --> 03:40:07,600 right? I think that that lower speed 5591 03:40:07,600 --> 03:40:09,520 limits on those roads are great inside 5592 03:40:09,520 --> 03:40:12,080 of the city. Um I don't know and we can 5593 03:40:12,080 --> 03:40:13,359 go ahead and look at that in the county 5594 03:40:13,359 --> 03:40:15,200 and see if we need to look at some of 5595 03:40:15,200 --> 03:40:17,520 our other our roads as well to see if we 5596 03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:19,040 need to lower those speed limits. But I 5597 03:40:19,040 --> 03:40:21,120 think once again that we're confusing 5598 03:40:21,120 --> 03:40:23,840 two separate topics. One is taking the 5599 03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:26,560 signs down and the second is replacing 5600 03:40:26,560 --> 03:40:28,960 the speed limit sign with, you know, 5601 03:40:28,960 --> 03:40:30,880 making everybody down to 15 miles an 5602 03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:32,080 hour. 5603 03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:33,600 >> And Bill, 5604 03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:36,560 >> yeah, I mean, the reduction in speed 5605 03:40:36,560 --> 03:40:39,279 limit helped my street. I mean, I live 5606 03:40:39,279 --> 03:40:41,359 on the same street Danny does. I'm not 5607 03:40:41,359 --> 03:40:43,760 going to deny that. But the city did 5608 03:40:43,760 --> 03:40:46,960 have a discussion about this and then 5609 03:40:46,960 --> 03:40:48,479 we're told that they had to actually 5610 03:40:48,479 --> 03:40:50,160 vote on it. So, they're going to meet in 5611 03:40:50,160 --> 03:40:52,239 the future to vote on this and the signs 5612 03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:56,239 are coming down as Andrew stated and 5613 03:40:56,239 --> 03:40:58,560 what they're intending to do is possibly 5614 03:40:58,560 --> 03:41:00,479 split the difference. They haven't made 5615 03:41:00,479 --> 03:41:02,720 that choice yet. So, rather than there 5616 03:41:02,720 --> 03:41:06,720 being a 25 mph speed limit or 15, 5617 03:41:06,720 --> 03:41:08,960 they're considering one speed limit of 5618 03:41:08,960 --> 03:41:11,920 20 m an hour. And I also got that from a 5619 03:41:11,920 --> 03:41:15,920 city council member. So, I I'm in favor 5620 03:41:15,920 --> 03:41:19,279 of bringing this into 5621 03:41:19,279 --> 03:41:21,439 accordance with the law because it is an 5622 03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:23,520 issue. It was raised up at the state. 5623 03:41:23,520 --> 03:41:25,680 It's been raised by our sheriff to some 5624 03:41:25,680 --> 03:41:28,560 degree in the police department. And so 5625 03:41:28,560 --> 03:41:30,319 I'm going to support it with the idea 5626 03:41:30,319 --> 03:41:33,120 that I especially in the city that 5627 03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:35,040 they're going to come up with a plan and 5628 03:41:35,040 --> 03:41:38,160 that is their intent to change the speed 5629 03:41:38,160 --> 03:41:43,439 limits for everybody, not just for OVs. 5630 03:41:43,439 --> 03:41:46,000 >> Did you have another comment? Yeah, I 5631 03:41:46,000 --> 03:41:48,399 they haven't taken any signs down yet. 5632 03:41:48,399 --> 03:41:50,399 Anyway, I 5633 03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:51,760 >> I'm gonna talk again. Go [laughter] 5634 03:41:51,760 --> 03:41:52,000 ahead. 5635 03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:55,120 >> Yeah, but you have and they from what I 5636 03:41:55,120 --> 03:41:59,840 was told by elected city folk is that it they require an ordinance to do 5637 03:41:59,840 --> 03:42:01,200 so and they haven't voted on that yet. 5638 03:42:01,200 --> 03:42:03,120 So, whatever. I guess this is all 5639 03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:05,200 semantics, but it hasn't happened yet. 5640 03:42:05,200 --> 03:42:09,040 Um, again, I think regardless, this is 5641 03:42:09,040 --> 03:42:11,439 the best tool, maybe the only tool for 5642 03:42:11,439 --> 03:42:15,040 keeping keeping noise down. Um, I'm in 5643 03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:18,160 favor of it. Hell at high water. I I 5644 03:42:18,160 --> 03:42:22,080 don't want to go back to 2021 levels of 5645 03:42:22,080 --> 03:42:24,399 OV noise. Um, I think we're going to get 5646 03:42:24,399 --> 03:42:25,760 a massive amount of push back from 5647 03:42:25,760 --> 03:42:31,680 people in the city and the county and um 5648 03:42:31,680 --> 03:42:34,399 I'm not in favor of reducing or not in 5649 03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:35,359 favor taking down the sign. 5650 03:42:35,359 --> 03:42:36,880 >> Yes, I watched the entire meeting at the 5651 03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:39,120 city and I talked to the mayor and I you 5652 03:42:39,120 --> 03:42:40,800 know they they spoke about what they're 5653 03:42:40,800 --> 03:42:42,720 studying is going to be. what are they 5654 03:42:42,720 --> 03:42:44,239 going to lower the speed limits to to 5655 03:42:44,239 --> 03:42:46,640 make it match? They also talked about 5656 03:42:46,640 --> 03:42:49,439 having routes go specifically to certain 5657 03:42:49,439 --> 03:42:51,040 spots, but then another, you know, 5658 03:42:51,040 --> 03:42:53,600 councilman said, "No, that sucks because 5659 03:42:53,600 --> 03:42:55,680 that means these guys are the ones that 5660 03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:57,120 are going to always get the noise. You 5661 03:42:57,120 --> 03:42:59,200 know, let's not try to make a dispersed 5662 03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:01,760 or a specific route to recommend to the 5663 03:43:01,760 --> 03:43:04,080 ATV companies because then those people 5664 03:43:04,080 --> 03:43:05,520 are getting the the noise." So, that's 5665 03:43:05,520 --> 03:43:09,600 what they're going to study. They're definitely taking down the OBV 5666 03:43:09,600 --> 03:43:13,279 uh signs because it's not legal anyways. 5667 03:43:13,279 --> 03:43:15,279 We can't have OVs on our road that 5668 03:43:15,279 --> 03:43:18,319 aren't highway. If they're if they are 5669 03:43:18,319 --> 03:43:20,080 not if they're not legal, then they're 5670 03:43:20,080 --> 03:43:21,520 not legal. Period. It doesn't matter if 5671 03:43:21,520 --> 03:43:25,760 they're OB or not. And also, the speed 5672 03:43:25,760 --> 03:43:27,279 limits have come down all around the 5673 03:43:27,279 --> 03:43:30,399 town. I agree. I live on King on on King 5674 03:43:30,399 --> 03:43:32,000 Creek. I have a back window and a swamp 5675 03:43:32,000 --> 03:43:34,239 cooler. I listen to them all all day 5676 03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:36,800 long. I drive them and I know that when 5677 03:43:36,800 --> 03:43:39,199 the speed is 30 miles an hour versus 15 5678 03:43:39,199 --> 03:43:40,800 miles an hour, I can talk to the person 5679 03:43:40,800 --> 03:43:42,479 next to me at 15. I can't talk to them 5680 03:43:42,479 --> 03:43:44,560 at 30. I absolutely understand the 5681 03:43:44,560 --> 03:43:46,399 noise. What I don't like is the 5682 03:43:46,399 --> 03:43:49,439 ambiguity of it and the fact that I mean 5683 03:43:49,439 --> 03:43:50,880 they're not giving tickets, but they're 5684 03:43:50,880 --> 03:43:52,160 not giving tickets because people are 5685 03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:54,160 arguing and we see ovs that are not 5686 03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:55,920 street legal on our roads all the time. 5687 03:43:55,920 --> 03:43:57,120 So, they're breaking they're totally 5688 03:43:57,120 --> 03:43:59,199 breaking the law. But the thought that 5689 03:43:59,199 --> 03:44:02,000 they're not, even though, you know, you 5690 03:44:02,000 --> 03:44:03,680 have to you don't get to just plead 5691 03:44:03,680 --> 03:44:06,720 ignorance. Um, but when they when they 5692 03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:08,080 are pulled over, they're like, "Oh, 5693 03:44:08,080 --> 03:44:09,279 well, we thought we could because we 5694 03:44:09,279 --> 03:44:11,040 have these signs." In the valley, 5695 03:44:11,040 --> 03:44:14,720 they've dropped the speed limit. So, in Moab City used to be 30 miles an 5696 03:44:14,720 --> 03:44:17,840 hour. Now, it's 25 most places, 15 for 5697 03:44:17,840 --> 03:44:21,840 OBS, OBS. And then in the VA in the 5698 03:44:21,840 --> 03:44:23,600 valley, I mean, Spanish Valley used to 5699 03:44:23,600 --> 03:44:25,760 be 45 miles an hour. Now it's 30. And 5700 03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:27,359 so, it already dropped at 15 miles an 5701 03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:28,560 hour. And then we're going to drop 5702 03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:30,960 another 15 or it's actually only 25. So 5703 03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:33,600 I think it's 30 for the regular speed 5704 03:44:33,600 --> 03:44:35,439 limit and then it says 25 for O 5705 03:44:35,439 --> 03:44:36,160 >> 20. 5706 03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:38,239 >> I looked at the sign yesterday. 5707 03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:39,840 >> So it's 20 miles an hour out there. So 5708 03:44:39,840 --> 03:44:41,760 we've already dropped that speed limit 5709 03:44:41,760 --> 03:44:43,920 drastically since 2020. So the speed 5710 03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:46,399 limits have come down in the valley and 5711 03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:49,359 we don't have as many roads at the city. 5712 03:44:49,359 --> 03:44:51,279 I mean, at the city, the noise bounces 5713 03:44:51,279 --> 03:44:54,160 off of all of the um so I think they 5714 03:44:54,160 --> 03:44:55,520 have a lot more to study, but I think 5715 03:44:55,520 --> 03:44:56,720 that I don't I don't want to wait for 5716 03:44:56,720 --> 03:44:58,080 the city. I don't think we need to wait 5717 03:44:58,080 --> 03:44:59,279 for the city to do something. I think 5718 03:44:59,279 --> 03:45:00,640 the county can be the lead and then 5719 03:45:00,640 --> 03:45:01,920 they're they're going to figure out what 5720 03:45:01,920 --> 03:45:04,000 their what their solution is for that 5721 03:45:04,000 --> 03:45:05,920 noise. And I and I agree with them. I'm 5722 03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:07,840 fine. I'll drive 15 miles an hour all 5723 03:45:07,840 --> 03:45:11,040 around town in my legal or my legal 5724 03:45:11,040 --> 03:45:13,199 vehicle or my legal OV. You know, I 5725 03:45:13,199 --> 03:45:14,800 don't mind being, but I just want to 5726 03:45:14,800 --> 03:45:17,439 take down that ambigu ambiguity for our 5727 03:45:17,439 --> 03:45:19,120 visitors. 5728 03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:20,640 So, 5729 03:45:20,640 --> 03:45:21,760 another go ahead. 5730 03:45:21,760 --> 03:45:24,319 >> Yeah, I I want to just reiterate too 5731 03:45:24,319 --> 03:45:26,640 that I think we've done a great job as 5732 03:45:26,640 --> 03:45:29,680 well as the outfitters have. They're 5733 03:45:29,680 --> 03:45:32,160 they are much better at educating the 5734 03:45:32,160 --> 03:45:34,239 people to be careful to get out of the 5735 03:45:34,239 --> 03:45:36,479 town. I think that's done as much as 5736 03:45:36,479 --> 03:45:39,439 just the lower speed limits. And I don't 5737 03:45:39,439 --> 03:45:41,840 think because we pull our OB signs down 5738 03:45:41,840 --> 03:45:43,279 that they're going to all of a sudden 5739 03:45:43,279 --> 03:45:45,040 throw their hat in the ring and say go 5740 03:45:45,040 --> 03:45:47,120 hell for bent through town or until you 5741 03:45:47,120 --> 03:45:50,399 get out to the or start start speeding 5742 03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:51,760 immediately. I think they're going to 5743 03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:53,520 continue that education. We have to 5744 03:45:53,520 --> 03:45:56,160 encourage them to do so, but I do think 5745 03:45:56,160 --> 03:45:58,800 we need to come into um alignment here 5746 03:45:58,800 --> 03:46:01,199 with what the state and the city plans 5747 03:46:01,199 --> 03:46:03,359 to do here in the near future. And I 5748 03:46:03,359 --> 03:46:06,560 agree with Melody that I don't think we 5749 03:46:06,560 --> 03:46:08,239 have to follow the city. We've all 5750 03:46:08,239 --> 03:46:10,239 spoken to the city people over there. 5751 03:46:10,239 --> 03:46:13,279 Every one of us, I think, have. And 5752 03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:15,279 let's let's make a decision here, but we 5753 03:46:15,279 --> 03:46:19,120 don't have to wait on them. 5754 03:46:19,120 --> 03:46:21,120 >> Okay. Okay. Going to call for a vote. 5755 03:46:21,120 --> 03:46:23,040 So, we had a first by Mike, a second by 5756 03:46:23,040 --> 03:46:28,150 drawing. All in favor? 5757 03:46:28,160 --> 03:46:30,640 And those opposed? 5758 03:46:30,640 --> 03:46:34,710 Okay, that passes 43. 5759 03:46:34,720 --> 03:46:37,040 And that's uh Commissioner Hadine, 5760 03:46:37,040 --> 03:46:38,880 Commissioner Hadler, and Commissioner 5761 03:46:38,880 --> 03:46:41,279 Mcan in opposition. 5762 03:46:41,279 --> 03:46:44,080 Now we're going to move on to number 13, 5763 03:46:44,080 --> 03:46:46,160 which is the ACE 5764 03:46:46,160 --> 03:46:50,560 Arches Plan Arches Shuttle Work Group. 5765 03:46:50,560 --> 03:46:55,030 Matt is with Commissioner Martinez. 5766 03:46:55,040 --> 03:46:57,279 So, at the request of uh park 5767 03:46:57,279 --> 03:46:59,439 superintendent Lita Pace uh at a meeting 5768 03:46:59,439 --> 03:47:01,279 with Commissioner McCandless, 5769 03:47:01,279 --> 03:47:03,680 Commissioner Winfield, and myself, um 5770 03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:05,520 Grand County works with VIA 5771 03:47:05,520 --> 03:47:08,319 Transportation. They're a leader in 5772 03:47:08,319 --> 03:47:10,479 transit in the current operator of the 5773 03:47:10,479 --> 03:47:14,000 Moab Area Transit um to assess the 5774 03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:17,359 feasibil feasibility of a practical 5775 03:47:17,359 --> 03:47:19,760 affordable shuttle connecting downtown 5776 03:47:19,760 --> 03:47:21,520 Moab to Arches [clears throat] National 5777 03:47:21,520 --> 03:47:23,120 Park. 5778 03:47:23,120 --> 03:47:26,560 VIA studies. VIA study outlines a full 5779 03:47:26,560 --> 03:47:28,800 operational hub and spoke fixed route 5780 03:47:28,800 --> 03:47:32,239 service launching as early as May 18th, 5781 03:47:32,239 --> 03:47:34,640 2026 5782 03:47:34,640 --> 03:47:37,520 at a not to exceed cost of 3 million for 5783 03:47:37,520 --> 03:47:41,040 season 1 pilot. The proposed route would 5784 03:47:41,040 --> 03:47:43,520 run from downtown Moab to Panorama Point 5785 03:47:43,520 --> 03:47:45,520 with connecting spokes to the windows, 5786 03:47:45,520 --> 03:47:47,920 Delicate Arch, and Devil's Garden, 5787 03:47:47,920 --> 03:47:50,880 operating daily with 12 to 15 passenger 5788 03:47:50,880 --> 03:47:53,520 uh shuttles running on 15 to 30 minute 5789 03:47:53,520 --> 03:47:57,120 headways. The budget equipped um each 5790 03:47:57,120 --> 03:47:59,279 shuttle with onboard water refilling 5791 03:47:59,279 --> 03:48:02,160 stations and Starlink connectivity, 5792 03:48:02,160 --> 03:48:04,319 providing real-time park information to 5793 03:48:04,319 --> 03:48:06,239 riders in areas with limited cell 5794 03:48:06,239 --> 03:48:09,199 service. Because VIA already operates 5795 03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:11,520 the Moab area transit, the Arches 5796 03:48:11,520 --> 03:48:13,199 shuttle could ultimately be fully 5797 03:48:13,199 --> 03:48:15,600 integrated into the existing system, 5798 03:48:15,600 --> 03:48:17,920 opening a natural pathway for county and 5799 03:48:17,920 --> 03:48:20,399 the city to explore how a unified 5800 03:48:20,399 --> 03:48:22,960 visitor supported transit network could 5801 03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:25,439 become a lasting benefit for residents, 5802 03:48:25,439 --> 03:48:27,920 offering transportation for locals well 5803 03:48:27,920 --> 03:48:29,920 beyond the funding for that program that 5804 03:48:29,920 --> 03:48:32,160 sunsets next year. 5805 03:48:32,160 --> 03:48:34,160 Granite County's goal with season 1 5806 03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:36,319 pilot is to ensure that visitation and 5807 03:48:36,319 --> 03:48:39,439 arches best protects park assets, 5808 03:48:39,439 --> 03:48:42,000 provides a positive visitor experience, 5809 03:48:42,000 --> 03:48:44,319 mitigates safety hazards identified on 5810 03:48:44,319 --> 03:48:47,120 Highway 191, and improves safety for 5811 03:48:47,120 --> 03:48:49,840 Main Street pedestrians. Achieving this 5812 03:48:49,840 --> 03:48:52,479 goal sustains our economy, reduces 5813 03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:55,359 vehicle pollution and traffic congestion 5814 03:48:55,359 --> 03:48:57,359 to improve the quality of life for Grand 5815 03:48:57,359 --> 03:49:00,239 County residents. This pilot proposal is 5816 03:49:00,239 --> 03:49:04,000 design uh designated to generate real 5817 03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:05,920 writership data, real safety 5818 03:49:05,920 --> 03:49:07,760 improvements, and real congestion 5819 03:49:07,760 --> 03:49:10,800 relief. The pilot does not replace or 5820 03:49:10,800 --> 03:49:13,279 preempt NPS's long-term planning 5821 03:49:13,279 --> 03:49:16,319 process, but ensures that residents, 5822 03:49:16,319 --> 03:49:18,640 visitors, and the lo uh local economy 5823 03:49:18,640 --> 03:49:21,920 are not put on hold. Um public lands 5824 03:49:21,920 --> 03:49:23,680 management has always been a subject of 5825 03:49:23,680 --> 03:49:25,520 civic conversation between federal 5826 03:49:25,520 --> 03:49:28,000 agencies and gateway communities. Grand 5827 03:49:28,000 --> 03:49:30,080 County's engagement in this conversation 5828 03:49:30,080 --> 03:49:32,080 is no different. We are working 5829 03:49:32,080 --> 03:49:34,800 collaboratively to offer solutions and 5830 03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:36,720 advocate for outcomes that protect the 5831 03:49:36,720 --> 03:49:38,720 park, the visitor experience, and 5832 03:49:38,720 --> 03:49:40,239 improve the quality of life for 5833 03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:43,279 residents. I also included the the 5834 03:49:43,279 --> 03:49:53,429 proposal inside of the packet. 5835 03:49:53,439 --> 03:49:55,359 » Yeah. I'd like to make the motion that 5836 03:49:55,359 --> 03:49:59,760 we put this um committee together with 5837 03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:01,520 um Chair McCandless, Vice Chair 5838 03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:03,520 Winfield, myself, and Commissioner 5839 03:50:03,520 --> 03:50:06,319 Martinez. 5840 03:50:06,319 --> 03:50:07,840 >> And that's a second my mic. 5841 03:50:07,840 --> 03:50:11,520 >> I didn't make the lotion. It's weird. 5842 03:50:11,520 --> 03:50:13,199 >> Getting tired. All right, Trish, did you 5843 03:50:13,199 --> 03:50:14,000 have a comment? 5844 03:50:14,000 --> 03:50:16,000 >> Oh, no. I think you need a second. Yeah. 5845 03:50:16,000 --> 03:50:16,640 Or 5846 03:50:16,640 --> 03:50:18,880 >> a first second here. 5847 03:50:18,880 --> 03:50:22,000 >> Um I'll try to kind of keep it brief. I 5848 03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:24,479 mean, um, [clears throat] 5849 03:50:24,479 --> 03:50:28,000 Trump's budget proposal for 2027, I 5850 03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:29,279 don't know if you guys have seen it. It 5851 03:50:29,279 --> 03:50:33,104 just came out a couple days ago. Um 5852 03:50:33,104 --> 03:50:34,640 [clears throat] massive cuts to the 5853 03:50:34,640 --> 03:50:37,040 National Park Service maintenance and 5854 03:50:37,040 --> 03:50:40,000 operation to be cut in 430 national 5855 03:50:40,000 --> 03:50:44,399 parks over 736 million reduction about 5856 03:50:44,399 --> 03:50:47,279 25% of park operations likely 5857 03:50:47,279 --> 03:50:50,399 eliminating thousands more park staff 5858 03:50:50,399 --> 03:50:53,439 and severe losses to infrastructure. So 5859 03:50:53,439 --> 03:50:56,800 my overarching concern is, 5860 03:50:56,800 --> 03:50:58,399 you know, the park service has already 5861 03:50:58,399 --> 03:51:00,960 been slashed this year. 5862 03:51:00,960 --> 03:51:03,199 Trump's proposing 5863 03:51:03,199 --> 03:51:05,439 more cuts next year. I think the park 5864 03:51:05,439 --> 03:51:07,359 service, I think it was 35% this year 5865 03:51:07,359 --> 03:51:11,840 and now 25% next year. Um, 5866 03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:14,080 and then, you know, we're we're throwing 5867 03:51:14,080 --> 03:51:16,720 out these ideas and I think I think it's 5868 03:51:16,720 --> 03:51:18,560 cool. I mean, I don't get me wrong, like 5869 03:51:18,560 --> 03:51:20,239 I think it's great that you're like, 5870 03:51:20,239 --> 03:51:23,439 "Okay, I have this idea." And but we 5871 03:51:23,439 --> 03:51:27,120 need to be realistic. And the big my big 5872 03:51:27,120 --> 03:51:28,800 o overarching thing is I think we need 5873 03:51:28,800 --> 03:51:32,000 to stay in our lane. We're not we're I'm 5874 03:51:32,000 --> 03:51:33,760 not I'm not working for the National 5875 03:51:33,760 --> 03:51:35,199 Park Service. I'm a grand county 5876 03:51:35,199 --> 03:51:39,199 commissioner and my job is to take care 5877 03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:41,760 of our infrastructure, to take care of 5878 03:51:41,760 --> 03:51:45,279 our employees, to work on our budget. 5879 03:51:45,279 --> 03:51:47,760 And so I just think we're so far out of 5880 03:51:47,760 --> 03:51:50,239 our lane, it's not even funny. We have 5881 03:51:50,239 --> 03:51:53,359 always provided um federal land 5882 03:51:53,359 --> 03:51:55,520 management agencies with feedback. We've 5883 03:51:55,520 --> 03:51:59,520 been a part of their management um 5884 03:51:59,520 --> 03:52:01,920 programming and and and reviewing 5885 03:52:01,920 --> 03:52:04,960 documents etc and so on. But I think the 5886 03:52:04,960 --> 03:52:08,080 fact that we are now developing our own 5887 03:52:08,080 --> 03:52:10,560 management for Arches National Park and 5888 03:52:10,560 --> 03:52:12,080 this is what we're going to do. We're 5889 03:52:12,080 --> 03:52:13,520 going straight to the state. are going 5890 03:52:13,520 --> 03:52:14,800 straight to the feds, which hopefully 5891 03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:17,520 we'll hear about that, and over 5892 03:52:17,520 --> 03:52:22,160 overriding our our um superintendent, 5893 03:52:22,160 --> 03:52:26,080 overriding the regional managers. I I I 5894 03:52:26,080 --> 03:52:28,160 just don't get it. I don't get it. We 5895 03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:31,120 have our own fish to fry. And again, I'm 5896 03:52:31,120 --> 03:52:33,040 really concerned when I I don't know if 5897 03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:34,239 you've had a chance, you guys have 5898 03:52:34,239 --> 03:52:36,960 looked at at Trump's budget for 27. I 5899 03:52:36,960 --> 03:52:40,640 mean, it's massive cuts everywhere. 5900 03:52:40,640 --> 03:52:43,520 But we and we should be quite concerned 5901 03:52:43,520 --> 03:52:45,920 about that overall for many many many 5902 03:52:45,920 --> 03:52:48,720 reasons. Um because I do think it's 5903 03:52:48,720 --> 03:52:50,800 eventually going to have a trickle down 5904 03:52:50,800 --> 03:52:53,520 effect on our economy because people are 5905 03:52:53,520 --> 03:52:55,199 going to stop traveling when they're 5906 03:52:55,199 --> 03:52:58,000 losing other services. But the fact is 5907 03:52:58,000 --> 03:52:59,920 how so we do a pilot program. Not sure 5908 03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:01,439 where the 3 million's come from. It's 5909 03:53:01,439 --> 03:53:03,760 not coming from Grand County. It's not 5910 03:53:03,760 --> 03:53:06,080 coming from Grand County. We do not have 5911 03:53:06,080 --> 03:53:08,479 it. the fact that we have this reserve 5912 03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:12,080 that we keep just chewing away at, chewing away at. We 5913 03:53:12,080 --> 03:53:14,319 cannot be paying for something like 5914 03:53:14,319 --> 03:53:17,439 this. Um, so I'm hope I'm assuming you 5915 03:53:17,439 --> 03:53:19,439 found the money, which is great, but 5916 03:53:19,439 --> 03:53:21,279 then what 5917 03:53:21,279 --> 03:53:23,520 you know it's I I would support and I 5918 03:53:23,520 --> 03:53:25,600 think I said that in in my email. I 5919 03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:27,520 would support [clears throat] 5920 03:53:27,520 --> 03:53:29,600 whether it's a university feasibility 5921 03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:31,680 study. I I gave you guys the USU 5922 03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:33,760 feasibility study. I also attached the 5923 03:53:33,760 --> 03:53:36,160 feasibility study for the east um Zion 5924 03:53:36,160 --> 03:53:38,479 shuttle. I would support something like 5925 03:53:38,479 --> 03:53:40,720 that, not financially, but I would be 5926 03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:42,560 more than willing to be a stakeholder in 5927 03:53:42,560 --> 03:53:44,479 that. I think that'd be great. And that 5928 03:53:44,479 --> 03:53:45,680 being said, this is the last thing I'll 5929 03:53:45,680 --> 03:53:48,640 say. Um 5930 03:53:48,640 --> 03:53:50,640 I when you guys you talk a little bit 5931 03:53:50,640 --> 03:53:53,680 about having diverse perspectives, you 5932 03:53:53,680 --> 03:53:56,319 know, in the in the agenda summary and 5933 03:53:56,319 --> 03:53:58,960 the three of you do that doesn't provide 5934 03:53:58,960 --> 03:54:01,359 diverse perspectives. And I understand 5935 03:54:01,359 --> 03:54:03,600 it's like you it was kind of like in the 5936 03:54:03,600 --> 03:54:05,040 future you'll start here with the 5937 03:54:05,040 --> 03:54:06,880 foundation and you'll look out and try 5938 03:54:06,880 --> 03:54:09,120 to get more perspectives. I would 5939 03:54:09,120 --> 03:54:12,800 recommend bringing in a commissioner 5940 03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:14,560 that has a different perspective than 5941 03:54:14,560 --> 03:54:18,000 you all. And I will say 5942 03:54:18,000 --> 03:54:20,239 out of all of us, not picking on any of 5943 03:54:20,239 --> 03:54:22,560 you, I have the largest background in 5944 03:54:22,560 --> 03:54:25,680 natural resource management. 5945 03:54:25,680 --> 03:54:27,520 So I would throw that out. I'm more I'd 5946 03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:30,239 be more than willing to participate. I 5947 03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:31,680 think I would come with different 5948 03:54:31,680 --> 03:54:33,760 perspectives. I think I work very very 5949 03:54:33,760 --> 03:54:36,479 well with our superintendent and I'd be 5950 03:54:36,479 --> 03:54:39,040 happy to participate. 5951 03:54:39,040 --> 03:54:41,359 >> Bill, who's Bill then my 5952 03:54:41,359 --> 03:54:43,120 >> I had my hand up with Trish earlier. I 5953 03:54:43,120 --> 03:54:44,160 thought I [laughter] caught your eye. 5954 03:54:44,160 --> 03:54:45,920 >> Sorry, I did not see you. Okay. But go 5955 03:54:45,920 --> 03:54:48,479 ahead. Go. 5956 03:54:48,479 --> 03:54:50,399 >> Um, 5957 03:54:50,399 --> 03:54:51,920 first first off, the three million. I 5958 03:54:51,920 --> 03:54:54,319 mean, I mostly agree with with what 5959 03:54:54,319 --> 03:54:56,479 Trish said, but but the funding I think 5960 03:54:56,479 --> 03:55:00,399 is the obvious question here. Have has 5961 03:55:00,399 --> 03:55:03,040 it has some of that funding been 5962 03:55:03,040 --> 03:55:06,710 secured? 5963 03:55:06,720 --> 03:55:07,920 » Has the funding been secured? 5964 03:55:07,920 --> 03:55:09,120 >> No. No. Okay. 5965 03:55:09,120 --> 03:55:10,800 >> No, that's that's what we're working on. 5966 03:55:10,800 --> 03:55:12,880 >> Okay. I What was it? 5967 03:55:12,880 --> 03:55:14,479 >> Yeah. I think I asked you about a letter 5968 03:55:14,479 --> 03:55:16,160 if we could put a letter of support, but 5969 03:55:16,160 --> 03:55:18,000 I never got a response. So, I didn't you 5970 03:55:18,000 --> 03:55:20,640 know, we didn't do anything. Um, so 5971 03:55:20,640 --> 03:55:22,000 that's what I mean. We have to we have 5972 03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:23,600 to have people come together to make 5973 03:55:23,600 --> 03:55:24,960 decisions. 5974 03:55:24,960 --> 03:55:27,040 >> So, sorry I jumped in. 5975 03:55:27,040 --> 03:55:29,120 >> Yeah. No, no, that's fine. I I asked a 5976 03:55:29,120 --> 03:55:31,040 question so I invited it. [laughter] 5977 03:55:31,040 --> 03:55:34,000 >> Um and 5978 03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:37,760 people coming together. I mean I mean I wasn't aware of the meeting that you 5979 03:55:37,760 --> 03:55:39,520 guys had originally. I've told you we've 5980 03:55:39,520 --> 03:55:40,800 talked about that. I don't need to 5981 03:55:40,800 --> 03:55:42,560 rehash old stuff. But people coming 5982 03:55:42,560 --> 03:55:45,600 together too doesn't mean like Trish 5983 03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:48,160 said having one perspective on on a 5984 03:55:48,160 --> 03:55:49,439 subcommittee. I'm not going to throw my 5985 03:55:49,439 --> 03:55:50,720 hat in the ring. I'm not interested in 5986 03:55:50,720 --> 03:55:52,000 that. But I think someone like Trish 5987 03:55:52,000 --> 03:55:58,319 would probably do a big um would be a big contribution. 5988 03:55:58,319 --> 03:56:01,680 But otherwise, I 5989 03:56:01,680 --> 03:56:03,199 am 5990 03:56:03,199 --> 03:56:07,920 I I think Shuttle is a great option in 5991 03:56:07,920 --> 03:56:09,359 the future. I think it requires a lot 5992 03:56:09,359 --> 03:56:12,319 more than just let's contract this 5993 03:56:12,319 --> 03:56:14,720 company for $3 million and see what they 5994 03:56:14,720 --> 03:56:17,199 can see what they can do. Um, I know 5995 03:56:17,199 --> 03:56:20,160 it's been studied in the past, but this 5996 03:56:20,160 --> 03:56:23,040 seems a little pie in the sky to me. 5997 03:56:23,040 --> 03:56:24,560 >> Oh, Bill, go ahead. 5998 03:56:24,560 --> 03:56:27,199 >> Sure. I I do know that we've already 5999 03:56:27,199 --> 03:56:30,080 started working with Lena on this. Um, 6000 03:56:30,080 --> 03:56:32,640 and certainly I believe it's important 6001 03:56:32,640 --> 03:56:34,560 that the mayor has a seat at the table 6002 03:56:34,560 --> 03:56:37,359 here as well. There there's a bunch of 6003 03:56:37,359 --> 03:56:39,439 points I'd like to counter that have 6004 03:56:39,439 --> 03:56:44,399 come from both of you. um realistic 6005 03:56:44,399 --> 03:56:46,640 um came from Commissioner Haden. I 6006 03:56:46,640 --> 03:56:48,399 wonder who told the Wright brothers it 6007 03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:51,359 was unrealistic to think of airflight. 6008 03:56:51,359 --> 03:56:53,760 We have a responsibility to our 6009 03:56:53,760 --> 03:56:57,120 community here. It is our responsibility 6010 03:56:57,120 --> 03:56:59,120 as a collaborating 6011 03:56:59,120 --> 03:57:01,120 community here with the National Park 6012 03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:03,120 Service. I don't believe anybody here 6013 03:57:03,120 --> 03:57:05,359 has any intentions of telling the park 6014 03:57:05,359 --> 03:57:07,840 service how to operate, nor do we intend 6015 03:57:07,840 --> 03:57:10,960 to take over management of that the 6016 03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:13,840 Arches National Park as many have 6017 03:57:13,840 --> 03:57:18,479 suggested. Um my my reasoning for saying 6018 03:57:18,479 --> 03:57:21,680 that I don't agree with adding an 6019 03:57:21,680 --> 03:57:24,319 obstructionist really because we have no 6020 03:57:24,319 --> 03:57:29,600 housing, no shuttle, no no. So to bring 6021 03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:32,239 somebody into a group to work and try 6022 03:57:32,239 --> 03:57:34,080 and solve the problem of getting a 6023 03:57:34,080 --> 03:57:36,720 shuttle available, which by the way will 6024 03:57:36,720 --> 03:57:40,160 remove cars from the road. The visitors 6025 03:57:40,160 --> 03:57:42,560 aren't the enemy in Arches National 6026 03:57:42,560 --> 03:57:45,680 Park. It's the vehicles. It isn't the 6027 03:57:45,680 --> 03:57:50,399 visitors. So why do we not have more 6028 03:57:50,399 --> 03:57:53,199 openness from everybody and say, "Boy, I 6029 03:57:53,199 --> 03:57:55,120 would love to get a shuttle system going 6030 03:57:55,120 --> 03:57:57,520 into the park. What do we got to do to 6031 03:57:57,520 --> 03:58:00,720 make that happen? Instead, we talk of 6032 03:58:00,720 --> 03:58:03,439 all kinds of ways to come up with, well, 6033 03:58:03,439 --> 03:58:06,640 it just can't or maybe in the future or 6034 03:58:06,640 --> 03:58:09,040 there was a study done. We have all 6035 03:58:09,040 --> 03:58:12,560 kinds of excuses to stay on the ground. 6036 03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:15,359 The reality is that we need a shuttle 6037 03:58:15,359 --> 03:58:17,600 system. We have the availability to do 6038 03:58:17,600 --> 03:58:19,760 it. Not only are we working with Lena, 6039 03:58:19,760 --> 03:58:21,520 we're working with the state. We have 6040 03:58:21,520 --> 03:58:24,479 worked with the feds. Um, as Trish said, 6041 03:58:24,479 --> 03:58:26,319 she would like to hear some of the work 6042 03:58:26,319 --> 03:58:28,720 that we've done with the feds. There's a 6043 03:58:28,720 --> 03:58:31,040 meeting with the feds Wednesday, I 6044 03:58:31,040 --> 03:58:31,520 believe, 6045 03:58:31,520 --> 03:58:32,160 >> tomorrow. 6046 03:58:32,160 --> 03:58:34,399 right? So, there's all kinds 6047 03:58:34,399 --> 03:58:37,520 of work going on. And do do we want to 6048 03:58:37,520 --> 03:58:39,760 just give the finger to those folks and 6049 03:58:39,760 --> 03:58:42,560 tell them to figure this all out on 6050 03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:43,920 their own? No, we don't. We have to 6051 03:58:43,920 --> 03:58:47,520 engage and we have to be in there. And 6052 03:58:47,520 --> 03:58:49,120 whether we like it or not, this 6053 03:58:49,120 --> 03:58:51,920 commission is getting things done and we 6054 03:58:51,920 --> 03:58:55,120 might get a shuttle system done. We just 6055 03:58:55,120 --> 03:58:56,720 might. 6056 03:58:56,720 --> 03:59:00,239 So rather than sit back and say, "Oh, I 6057 03:59:00,239 --> 03:59:02,160 don't think we can do it. Maybe in 20 6058 03:59:02,160 --> 03:59:04,080 years or 10 years." No, we're going to 6059 03:59:04,080 --> 03:59:06,800 work on this right now as a group and 6060 03:59:06,800 --> 03:59:08,239 see if we can't accomplish something. 6061 03:59:08,239 --> 03:59:10,399 And if we can't, 6062 03:59:10,399 --> 03:59:12,080 then we can't. But at least we're going 6063 03:59:12,080 --> 03:59:15,760 to try and and that's where we are. So, 6064 03:59:15,760 --> 03:59:18,319 I'm [clears throat] I'm amazed that we 6065 03:59:18,319 --> 03:59:20,239 just constantly want to say no. 6066 03:59:20,239 --> 03:59:22,000 >> Okay, Mike. 6067 03:59:22,000 --> 03:59:24,479 >> Mary, are you going to speak? I 6068 03:59:24,479 --> 03:59:25,600 Everything that I was going to say has 6069 03:59:25,600 --> 03:59:26,319 been said. So, 6070 03:59:26,319 --> 03:59:29,556 >> Okay, Mary. 6071 03:59:29,556 --> 03:59:31,040 [clears throat] 6072 03:59:31,040 --> 03:59:33,359 >> If you if you know if you guys uh start 6073 03:59:33,359 --> 03:59:35,840 a a study group, I it's not going to do 6074 03:59:35,840 --> 03:59:38,479 any harm. I mean, it's not going to hurt 6075 03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:43,199 anything. I just think uh 6076 03:59:43,199 --> 03:59:45,199 having us do a study group would be like 6077 03:59:45,199 --> 03:59:47,359 the park service or the BOM doing a 6078 03:59:47,359 --> 03:59:50,080 study troop group to decide how we're 6079 03:59:50,080 --> 03:59:54,800 going to organize and draw out and make 6080 03:59:54,800 --> 03:59:59,359 our active trails in the county without 6081 03:59:59,359 --> 04:00:03,600 having them the county be the driver 6082 04:00:03,600 --> 04:00:06,239 of the group. 6083 04:00:06,239 --> 04:00:08,560 I mean, the park service should be the 6084 04:00:08,560 --> 04:00:11,439 driver of this. You can, you know, I 6085 04:00:11,439 --> 04:00:14,560 think it should be park service and and 6086 04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:17,279 you and I and I've spoken to enough park 6087 04:00:17,279 --> 04:00:20,880 service. I mean, they're more or less, 6088 04:00:20,880 --> 04:00:23,920 you know, they they don't see it as a 6089 04:00:23,920 --> 04:00:27,120 possibility in the near future at all 6090 04:00:27,120 --> 04:00:31,199 because a simple Google search, it's 6091 04:00:31,199 --> 04:00:36,399 $2.5 million a year to run the shuttle 6092 04:00:36,399 --> 04:00:38,239 system. Brian said three 6093 04:00:38,239 --> 04:00:44,960 >> to buy to buy the buses is $33 million 6094 04:00:44,960 --> 04:00:48,720 even if they're used to hire I mean 6095 04:00:48,720 --> 04:00:50,880 you're going to it's not going to be two 6096 04:00:50,880 --> 04:00:53,520 three buses or four buses it's to to do 6097 04:00:53,520 --> 04:00:55,920 a shuttle system like you're suggesting 6098 04:00:55,920 --> 04:00:58,720 you're talking massive numbers of buses 6099 04:00:58,720 --> 04:01:01,600 >> 12 wouldn't do 6100 04:01:01,600 --> 04:01:04,080 >> well you don't know so that's not that I 6101 04:01:04,080 --> 04:01:06,399 don't want to get off the point I just I 6102 04:01:06,399 --> 04:01:10,960 think uh that we're not in our lane 6103 04:01:10,960 --> 04:01:12,640 that there's a lot of things to be 6104 04:01:12,640 --> 04:01:14,880 working on in the county that is our 6105 04:01:14,880 --> 04:01:17,199 lane and is something we should be 6106 04:01:17,199 --> 04:01:19,760 working on. I believe it was pressure 6107 04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:22,720 from uh you know that we had something 6108 04:01:22,720 --> 04:01:26,960 that uh the four elected officials in 6109 04:01:26,960 --> 04:01:32,319 this county out of 16 elected officials. 6110 04:01:32,319 --> 04:01:34,560 There are 16 elected officials in this 6111 04:01:34,560 --> 04:01:37,600 county including the city uh Castle 6112 04:01:37,600 --> 04:01:40,399 Valley and us. 6113 04:01:40,399 --> 04:01:44,880 Of those 16 elected officials, 6114 04:01:44,880 --> 04:01:47,600 12 of them 6115 04:01:47,600 --> 04:01:51,760 agreed with the uh 6116 04:01:51,760 --> 04:01:55,199 time entry system. 12 of them agree 6117 04:01:55,199 --> 04:01:57,920 think that moving forward and trying to 6118 04:01:57,920 --> 04:02:00,720 push a shuttle system when there's no 6119 04:02:00,720 --> 04:02:06,880 money for is a waste of time. And uh 6120 04:02:06,880 --> 04:02:09,379 I I I think it's the amount 6121 04:02:09,379 --> 04:02:11,920 [clears throat] of work that Elena and 6122 04:02:11,920 --> 04:02:15,040 uh the different types of people Lena, 6123 04:02:15,040 --> 04:02:16,960 excuse me, in in the park service are 6124 04:02:16,960 --> 04:02:19,760 being forced to do, which they know is 6125 04:02:19,760 --> 04:02:22,640 probably not going to get anywhere for 6126 04:02:22,640 --> 04:02:25,680 years to come. Many of us won't be I 6127 04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:27,920 won't be many of us won't be on this 6128 04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:30,479 board by the time we could see a shuttle 6129 04:02:30,479 --> 04:02:32,640 system in place. 6130 04:02:32,640 --> 04:02:34,640 And that's what they tell me. I've 6131 04:02:34,640 --> 04:02:37,120 talked to a lot of park service people 6132 04:02:37,120 --> 04:02:39,120 uh that are working right now and park 6133 04:02:39,120 --> 04:02:41,600 service people who are retired and they 6134 04:02:41,600 --> 04:02:44,160 say this a system like this would take 6135 04:02:44,160 --> 04:02:47,680 years just to do the infrastructure. 6136 04:02:47,680 --> 04:02:50,880 And so if you guys want to go ahead go 6137 04:02:50,880 --> 04:02:51,760 for it. 6138 04:02:51,760 --> 04:02:52,880 >> Thank you. 6139 04:02:52,880 --> 04:02:54,572 >> I'm not going to vote for it because I 6140 04:02:54,572 --> 04:02:56,800 [laughter] think it's ridiculous. 6141 04:02:56,800 --> 04:02:59,840 I think just the whole thing is out of 6142 04:02:59,840 --> 04:03:03,439 our lane and not something we should be 6143 04:03:03,439 --> 04:03:05,520 spending energy on. It's the park 6144 04:03:05,520 --> 04:03:09,750 services. 6145 04:03:09,760 --> 04:03:13,279 Okay. First off, so I I read you at the 6146 04:03:13,279 --> 04:03:15,439 request of the superintendent of the 6147 04:03:15,439 --> 04:03:16,960 parks that we would come with the 6148 04:03:16,960 --> 04:03:18,080 proposal. 6149 04:03:18,080 --> 04:03:20,080 >> Right. So just just to answer that for 6150 04:03:20,080 --> 04:03:22,239 everybody, right? That they asked they 6151 04:03:22,239 --> 04:03:24,319 asked the three of us to meet with you. 6152 04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:27,040 No, no, excuse me, Mary. I'm speaking 6153 04:03:27,040 --> 04:03:30,000 right now if you don't mind. She asked 6154 04:03:30,000 --> 04:03:32,720 us to come with a proposal. We were 6155 04:03:32,720 --> 04:03:36,720 asked for a proposal, right? 6156 04:03:36,720 --> 04:03:39,120 We came with a proposal. I've heard from 6157 04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:41,120 the three commissioners here that it's 6158 04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:43,920 not possible. There is inside of the 6159 04:03:43,920 --> 04:03:47,439 packet a plan that it is possible. 6160 04:03:47,439 --> 04:03:49,520 Right? It is. It is possible. There is a 6161 04:03:49,520 --> 04:03:51,359 company that says it is possible to do 6162 04:03:51,359 --> 04:03:53,920 this. Getting back to Walt Dabney's 6163 04:03:53,920 --> 04:03:56,319 quote that you know the uh um talking 6164 04:03:56,319 --> 04:03:58,560 about how this this won't work. This 6165 04:03:58,560 --> 04:04:04,000 won't work. The goal is not that this shuttle system has to uh uh provide 6166 04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:06,080 a service for every single visitor in 6167 04:04:06,080 --> 04:04:08,399 Arches. This doesn't replace all of the 6168 04:04:08,399 --> 04:04:10,720 cars, but what it would do is would 6169 04:04:10,720 --> 04:04:13,199 relieve the congestion in the park and 6170 04:04:13,199 --> 04:04:15,279 make a better experience for tons of 6171 04:04:15,279 --> 04:04:17,120 people here. Right. I mean, it was 6172 04:04:17,120 --> 04:04:19,279 originally brought up here that you know 6173 04:04:19,279 --> 04:04:21,120 who wrote the ACE plan. How many times 6174 04:04:21,120 --> 04:04:23,120 Trish have you mentioned that on social 6175 04:04:23,120 --> 04:04:26,000 media or in other places? Right? Let me 6176 04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:28,479 answer. I wrote the plan. Right? I have 6177 04:04:28,479 --> 04:04:31,359 been involved since 2012 in all of these 6178 04:04:31,359 --> 04:04:33,520 conversations. Right? I have been and I 6179 04:04:33,520 --> 04:04:36,160 have commented on every single uh uh 6180 04:04:36,160 --> 04:04:37,920 opportunity whether it's a private 6181 04:04:37,920 --> 04:04:40,000 citizen as a business or now as a 6182 04:04:40,000 --> 04:04:41,840 commissioner. I have been involved in 6183 04:04:41,840 --> 04:04:44,160 this project and I don't remember seeing 6184 04:04:44,160 --> 04:04:46,319 every single commissioner here at all of 6185 04:04:46,319 --> 04:04:49,279 those discussions. Right. And so to say 6186 04:04:49,279 --> 04:04:51,359 that that I don't have the experience 6187 04:04:51,359 --> 04:04:53,840 that's necessary to do this, I think 6188 04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:55,680 just undermines my credibility. And I 6189 04:04:55,680 --> 04:04:57,760 got to tell you, I'm really tired of it. 6190 04:04:57,760 --> 04:05:00,000 I do have that experience. I answered 6191 04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:01,680 every single one of your questions that 6192 04:05:01,680 --> 04:05:03,680 you and the National Park Service threw 6193 04:05:03,680 --> 04:05:05,920 at me over the ACE plan originally right 6194 04:05:05,920 --> 04:05:08,160 there on my computer at 10:00 at night. 6195 04:05:08,160 --> 04:05:10,000 Right. I sat there and knocked them all 6196 04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:11,680 out. So to say that I don't have the 6197 04:05:11,680 --> 04:05:14,239 experience on this, I just it it is 6198 04:05:14,239 --> 04:05:19,279 bothering me, right? Um, you know, the mayor brought up in her last op-ed, 6199 04:05:19,279 --> 04:05:21,520 you know, that these are not new ideas. 6200 04:05:21,520 --> 04:05:23,520 They're not new ideas. These ideas have 6201 04:05:23,520 --> 04:05:26,239 been brought up for the last decade, you 6202 04:05:26,239 --> 04:05:28,000 know, and in fact, every single one of 6203 04:05:28,000 --> 04:05:30,399 these ideas have been put out to public 6204 04:05:30,399 --> 04:05:33,600 com uh to public comment and they've had 6205 04:05:33,600 --> 04:05:35,520 high levels of support in the visitor 6206 04:05:35,520 --> 04:05:38,640 surveys. What is different today is that 6207 04:05:38,640 --> 04:05:40,560 we have a governing body that's willing 6208 04:05:40,560 --> 04:05:43,439 to explore their feasibility before 6209 04:05:43,439 --> 04:05:46,000 dismissing it in favor of timed entry. 6210 04:05:46,000 --> 04:05:48,720 That's what the difference is right now. 6211 04:05:48,720 --> 04:05:52,000 I mean the what has happened to the 6212 04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:54,399 politics here in Grand County. I mean we 6213 04:05:54,399 --> 04:05:56,239 have the progressives that are against 6214 04:05:56,239 --> 04:05:59,040 clean air, public transportation, bike 6215 04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:02,720 paths. Yeah. And trail connectivity. I 6216 04:06:02,720 --> 04:06:04,319 mean, these should all be things that 6217 04:06:04,319 --> 04:06:06,160 you guys this that's what this plan is 6218 04:06:06,160 --> 04:06:07,920 right here. I would imagine that we 6219 04:06:07,920 --> 04:06:09,600 would have a commission that is jumping 6220 04:06:09,600 --> 04:06:11,439 on board saying these are the things 6221 04:06:11,439 --> 04:06:14,239 that we want. And it are they hard to 6222 04:06:14,239 --> 04:06:16,080 get? Yeah, this is not going to be easy. 6223 04:06:16,080 --> 04:06:18,319 It's going to take a lot of support and 6224 04:06:18,319 --> 04:06:19,840 that's what this working group is going 6225 04:06:19,840 --> 04:06:21,920 to do. We're going to gather the support 6226 04:06:21,920 --> 04:06:24,160 that's necessary to try to bring these 6227 04:06:24,160 --> 04:06:26,399 things to our community. We are moving 6228 04:06:26,399 --> 04:06:29,040 forward, right? I have invited Jock to 6229 04:06:29,040 --> 04:06:31,120 meetings right there and I invited 6230 04:06:31,120 --> 04:06:33,359 Trish. I invited you to the December 1st 6231 04:06:33,359 --> 04:06:35,600 meeting. I gave you ample notice that 6232 04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:37,520 what was happening and the plan that I 6233 04:06:37,520 --> 04:06:40,880 was trying to uh present. 6234 04:06:40,880 --> 04:06:42,560 >> Which meeting did you invite me to? 6235 04:06:42,560 --> 04:06:45,120 >> The the meeting with Lena Pace. Uh um 6236 04:06:45,120 --> 04:06:49,840 and then uh um Curtis's staff member um 6237 04:06:49,840 --> 04:06:51,279 Lee's staff member was there and 6238 04:06:51,279 --> 04:06:53,199 Kennedy's staff member. We sat at a 6239 04:06:53,199 --> 04:06:54,800 little table right there trying to 6240 04:06:54,800 --> 04:06:56,560 discuss alternatives for the national 6241 04:06:56,560 --> 04:06:59,439 park. And every corner that we've come, 6242 04:06:59,439 --> 04:07:02,000 timed entry is the only answer, right? 6243 04:07:02,000 --> 04:07:04,000 It's timed entry is the only way that we 6244 04:07:04,000 --> 04:07:08,160 could solve this problem. And all other options that have been brought to 6245 04:07:08,160 --> 04:07:09,920 the table are always turned around that 6246 04:07:09,920 --> 04:07:11,840 they're not feasible, right? There's no 6247 04:07:11,840 --> 04:07:14,080 way that we can get it done. Um and and 6248 04:07:14,080 --> 04:07:15,359 that's the reason that you're that we're 6249 04:07:15,359 --> 04:07:17,359 not inviting you to the table right now, 6250 04:07:17,359 --> 04:07:19,439 right? Is there no one's coming to the 6251 04:07:19,439 --> 04:07:20,960 table and saying, "Hey, well, maybe we 6252 04:07:20,960 --> 04:07:23,600 can we can do this, right? Or maybe have 6253 04:07:23,600 --> 04:07:25,600 you thought of trying to do this?" Every 6254 04:07:25,600 --> 04:07:27,120 time that we've brought other folks to 6255 04:07:27,120 --> 04:07:29,040 the table, all we get is no, it's not 6256 04:07:29,040 --> 04:07:31,680 possible. No, that's not possible. 6257 04:07:31,680 --> 04:07:33,359 Right. 6258 04:07:33,359 --> 04:07:34,880 For me, the way that I'm seeing it is 6259 04:07:34,880 --> 04:07:37,279 there's only one side that's providing a 6260 04:07:37,279 --> 04:07:38,800 vision right here for Gran County and 6261 04:07:38,800 --> 04:07:41,199 the improved quality of life for for our 6262 04:07:41,199 --> 04:07:43,040 visitors, right? For for I'm sorry, for 6263 04:07:43,040 --> 04:07:45,359 our residents. There's only one there's 6264 04:07:45,359 --> 04:07:47,600 only one side that's offering an 6265 04:07:47,600 --> 04:07:49,840 alternative, right, with solutions other 6266 04:07:49,840 --> 04:07:52,239 than timed entry. And I from what I've 6267 04:07:52,239 --> 04:07:53,760 been seeing here lately, there's only 6268 04:07:53,760 --> 04:07:55,920 one side that's out here actually doing 6269 04:07:55,920 --> 04:07:57,920 the work, right? There's another side 6270 04:07:57,920 --> 04:08:00,399 that's just sitting here in opposition. 6271 04:08:00,399 --> 04:08:01,520 You know, there there'll be an 6272 04:08:01,520 --> 04:08:03,120 opportunity there'll be an opportunity 6273 04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:05,600 to bird dog all of our solutions, right? 6274 04:08:05,600 --> 04:08:07,520 Just, you know, just like we've had 6275 04:08:07,520 --> 04:08:09,840 given the opportunity at every other 6276 04:08:09,840 --> 04:08:11,840 point, right? You can put your defense 6277 04:08:11,840 --> 04:08:13,279 up and then we'll have we'll have time 6278 04:08:13,279 --> 04:08:15,199 to talk about it. But right now, that's 6279 04:08:15,199 --> 04:08:16,720 not the time. We got to figure out a way 6280 04:08:16,720 --> 04:08:19,279 that we can try to make this work. 6281 04:08:19,279 --> 04:08:21,279 Anyways, that's all I got. Thanks. 6282 04:08:21,279 --> 04:08:24,560 >> I called for a vote. Um, we got people 6283 04:08:24,560 --> 04:08:24,960 to talk. 6284 04:08:24,960 --> 04:08:26,560 >> I actually I was going to agree with 6285 04:08:26,560 --> 04:08:29,040 Mary. I know we already called for a 6286 04:08:29,040 --> 04:08:31,120 vote, but medically I'm going to have to 6287 04:08:31,120 --> 04:08:33,040 step out if we don't get to a vote soon. 6288 04:08:33,040 --> 04:08:34,880 I've been out of insulin for hours. Need 6289 04:08:34,880 --> 04:08:36,080 to step out here soon. 6290 04:08:36,080 --> 04:08:38,800 >> Oh, no. Okay, I I'll call for a vote 6291 04:08:38,800 --> 04:08:40,239 then. 6292 04:08:40,239 --> 04:08:44,319 >> Um, those in favor of the uh ACE planned 6293 04:08:44,319 --> 04:08:48,080 shuttle working group say I. 6294 04:08:48,080 --> 04:08:51,520 >> And those opposed? 6295 04:08:51,520 --> 04:08:52,880 that with Commissioner Hadin, 6296 04:08:52,880 --> 04:08:54,000 Commissioner Hather, and Commissioner 6297 04:08:54,000 --> 04:08:57,830 McFar. 6298 04:08:57,840 --> 04:09:00,239 I need insulin. Yes. 6299 04:09:00,239 --> 04:09:02,000 >> Go. Are you leaving the meeting then? 6300 04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:03,439 >> I am. I have [laughter] to depart. 6301 04:09:03,439 --> 04:09:04,399 >> All right. Mike, 6302 04:09:04,399 --> 04:09:05,040 >> please say 6303 04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:07,199 >> take care of yourself. 6304 04:09:07,199 --> 04:09:09,120 >> Blood sugar. 6305 04:09:09,120 --> 04:09:11,359 >> Yeah, I'm good. 6306 04:09:11,359 --> 04:09:13,120 >> Okay. 6307 04:09:13,120 --> 04:09:13,279 So, 6308 04:09:13,279 --> 04:09:15,840 >> our next meeting. So, now we are moving 6309 04:09:15,840 --> 04:09:18,479 on to our discussion items. 6310 04:09:18,479 --> 04:09:20,720 needed 6311 04:09:20,720 --> 04:09:23,199 >> discussion items. So it uh number 14 is 6312 04:09:23,199 --> 04:09:26,479 the chem gardener study discussion 6313 04:09:26,479 --> 04:09:27,040 and 6314 04:09:27,040 --> 04:09:30,640 >> yep I that was my item I put it on. Um I 6315 04:09:30,640 --> 04:09:33,120 just wanted to I put it on for a few 6316 04:09:33,120 --> 04:09:35,040 reasons. I wanted to update the public a 6317 04:09:35,040 --> 04:09:36,080 little bit because I don't think we've 6318 04:09:36,080 --> 04:09:37,359 done that previously. 6319 04:09:37,359 --> 04:09:38,960 >> Before you start I just wanted to state 6320 04:09:38,960 --> 04:09:41,600 that you know we did receive information 6321 04:09:41,600 --> 04:09:44,479 on the chem gardener and it does have 6322 04:09:44,479 --> 04:09:46,000 sensitivity protected information 6323 04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:47,439 statement. So, just so we all remember 6324 04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:49,520 that we're not talking about the actual 6325 04:09:49,520 --> 04:09:50,319 >> couldn't agree more. 6326 04:09:50,319 --> 04:09:51,520 >> Okay. Sorry. 6327 04:09:51,520 --> 04:09:53,760 >> But I did I I I absolutely will not 6328 04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:54,960 disclose anything that was in the 6329 04:09:54,960 --> 04:09:56,880 report. Um but I did want to let the 6330 04:09:56,880 --> 04:09:58,399 public know because we haven't yet that 6331 04:09:58,399 --> 04:10:00,560 each commissioner here has received a 6332 04:10:00,560 --> 04:10:04,399 draft report of it and we've all been um 6333 04:10:04,399 --> 04:10:06,640 allowed to make comment and submit that 6334 04:10:06,640 --> 04:10:09,279 comment. I I appreciate that. I think 6335 04:10:09,279 --> 04:10:12,319 the public needs to know that. Um, 6336 04:10:12,319 --> 04:10:16,560 and uh, as far as I know, I'm not told 6337 04:10:16,560 --> 04:10:20,160 much, but we still expect the report by 6338 04:10:20,160 --> 04:10:22,000 the end of the month deadline that we 6339 04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:23,680 voted on in February. Has anyone heard 6340 04:10:23,680 --> 04:10:26,239 anything to the contrary? 6341 04:10:26,239 --> 04:10:27,760 >> Okay. Okay. 6342 04:10:27,760 --> 04:10:29,600 >> Go ahead and ask Chris. I can answer if 6343 04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:31,120 you have more question about that or 6344 04:10:31,120 --> 04:10:31,760 not. 6345 04:10:31,760 --> 04:10:34,720 >> Um, and uh, I also wanted to bring a few 6346 04:10:34,720 --> 04:10:37,040 things up. There were 6347 04:10:37,040 --> 04:10:39,040 we had uh information shared with us 6348 04:10:39,040 --> 04:10:40,960 that hadn't been previously shared with 6349 04:10:40,960 --> 04:10:43,439 us before. We were given emails that 6350 04:10:43,439 --> 04:10:47,840 were um uh written between various 6351 04:10:47,840 --> 04:10:50,640 commissioners and ChemC Gardener, things 6352 04:10:50,640 --> 04:10:52,720 that uh various citizens have been 6353 04:10:52,720 --> 04:10:57,199 interested in and have brought up. Um I 6354 04:10:57,199 --> 04:10:59,279 and another thing I think that I think 6355 04:10:59,279 --> 04:11:00,800 the most concerning thing to me is that 6356 04:11:00,800 --> 04:11:02,880 the MOA that was signed with the ChemC 6357 04:11:02,880 --> 04:11:06,720 Gardener by the former chairman um was 6358 04:11:06,720 --> 04:11:09,359 signed without legal review. Um that 6359 04:11:09,359 --> 04:11:12,319 contract when when we 6360 04:11:12,319 --> 04:11:14,479 voted to 6361 04:11:14,479 --> 04:11:18,960 um approve the study. Uh the motion did 6362 04:11:18,960 --> 04:11:20,960 not include language that allowed the 6363 04:11:20,960 --> 04:11:26,560 chair to sign the contract MOA and uh 6364 04:11:26,560 --> 04:11:28,560 from emails that MOA was sent right to 6365 04:11:28,560 --> 04:11:31,120 the chair who signed it. Um Stephen, 6366 04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:33,359 correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe 6367 04:11:33,359 --> 04:11:35,199 you never saw that contract before it 6368 04:11:35,199 --> 04:11:35,680 was signed. 6369 04:11:35,680 --> 04:11:37,840 >> We were provided the original proposal, 6370 04:11:37,840 --> 04:11:39,600 >> the prop but not the contract that was 6371 04:11:39,600 --> 04:11:40,239 signed. 6372 04:11:40,239 --> 04:11:41,840 >> And normally normally the language that 6373 04:11:41,840 --> 04:11:43,439 accompanies the motion, it wasn't here 6374 04:11:43,439 --> 04:11:45,199 in this situation. Right. 6375 04:11:45,199 --> 04:11:47,279 >> Normally there is the language that they 6376 04:11:47,279 --> 04:11:48,399 authorize the chair to sign the 6377 04:11:48,399 --> 04:11:50,080 documents. That language was not 6378 04:11:50,080 --> 04:11:52,319 included in the in the standard motion. 6379 04:11:52,319 --> 04:11:54,479 >> Right. And and generally I mean I was 6380 04:11:54,479 --> 04:11:56,800 the chair for 3 years and I think every 6381 04:11:56,800 --> 04:12:00,080 contract that I recall signed either was 6382 04:12:00,080 --> 04:12:02,640 the result of such language or it came 6383 04:12:02,640 --> 04:12:04,479 back to the commission for the contract 6384 04:12:04,479 --> 04:12:06,479 to be ratified after after receiving 6385 04:12:06,479 --> 04:12:08,800 legal review. But this this didn't there 6386 04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:11,359 was something in that contract that I am 6387 04:12:11,359 --> 04:12:13,279 still very much opposed to and that is 6388 04:12:13,279 --> 04:12:15,199 that uh Commissioner Winfield was made 6389 04:12:15,199 --> 04:12:17,879 the point of contact. Um as 6390 04:12:17,879 --> 04:12:21,199 [clears throat] another email says 6391 04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:24,319 um from December 2, Bill wrote to the 6392 04:12:24,319 --> 04:12:26,000 Kemp Gardner and said that integrity of 6393 04:12:26,000 --> 04:12:27,439 the report is paramount to us being 6394 04:12:27,439 --> 04:12:29,199 useful. 6395 04:12:29,199 --> 04:12:32,000 And I agree with that. And I think that 6396 04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:35,279 the biggest um uh challenge to the 6397 04:12:35,279 --> 04:12:37,279 integrity of the report is is having 6398 04:12:37,279 --> 04:12:39,520 Commissioner Winfield who is obviously 6399 04:12:39,520 --> 04:12:43,040 got uh political fris to fry on this 6400 04:12:43,040 --> 04:12:44,560 being the contact point. I think it 6401 04:12:44,560 --> 04:12:47,279 would have been much more 6402 04:12:47,279 --> 04:12:49,040 um I think the report would have a lot 6403 04:12:49,040 --> 04:12:51,279 more integrity if if Mark had been made 6404 04:12:51,279 --> 04:12:56,080 the contact point from the beginning. Um 6405 04:12:56,080 --> 04:12:59,199 uh also uh other things that came out of 6406 04:12:59,199 --> 04:13:00,640 that email that people have wondered 6407 04:13:00,640 --> 04:13:02,640 about. It it is clear from that that 6408 04:13:02,640 --> 04:13:04,640 Brian's been uh the commissioner 6409 04:13:04,640 --> 04:13:06,479 Martinez has been involved in meetings 6410 04:13:06,479 --> 04:13:08,720 with the Kimy Gardener from August that 6411 04:13:08,720 --> 04:13:11,439 was never disclosed. In fact, at another 6412 04:13:11,439 --> 04:13:12,640 commission meeting, I believe it was the 6413 04:13:12,640 --> 04:13:16,080 one in February, that we extended the 6414 04:13:16,080 --> 04:13:19,920 deadline that um Bill stated that that 6415 04:13:19,920 --> 04:13:21,520 he was the only one that was having 6416 04:13:21,520 --> 04:13:24,800 contact with ChemC Gardener or at least 6417 04:13:24,800 --> 04:13:29,680 implied that strongly. Um I never knew 6418 04:13:29,680 --> 04:13:31,199 that Brian was on those meetings. I 6419 04:13:31,199 --> 04:13:33,359 don't know why another commissioner was 6420 04:13:33,359 --> 04:13:35,760 on those meetings. I think it still it 6421 04:13:35,760 --> 04:13:37,439 should have been uh Mark that was on 6422 04:13:37,439 --> 04:13:41,760 those and uh 6423 04:13:41,760 --> 04:13:44,399 um also communication. The only 6424 04:13:44,399 --> 04:13:46,399 commissioners that had communication 6425 04:13:46,399 --> 04:13:48,800 with Chemcy Gardner were uh 6426 04:13:48,800 --> 04:13:52,880 Commissioners Winfield and Martinez. Um 6427 04:13:52,880 --> 04:13:54,319 I don't think any of the rest of us were 6428 04:13:54,319 --> 04:13:56,960 given that opportunity. In fact, I think 6429 04:13:56,960 --> 04:13:59,520 Trish was scolded for for trying to have 6430 04:13:59,520 --> 04:14:02,319 contact with them. 6431 04:14:02,319 --> 04:14:04,720 uh that 6432 04:14:04,720 --> 04:14:08,080 I I how how did how did how did Brian 6433 04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:13,600 get on those meetings? Um anyway, um 6434 04:14:13,600 --> 04:14:15,920 I'll get back to a few other points, but 6435 04:14:15,920 --> 04:14:17,760 I'll open that up for discussion. 6436 04:14:17,760 --> 04:14:20,720 >> Okay, Bill. 6437 04:14:20,720 --> 04:14:24,080 >> Yeah, I glad that we're continuing on. 6438 04:14:24,080 --> 04:14:26,560 No, no, no. Here, stay on the ground and 6439 04:14:26,560 --> 04:14:28,560 don't fly. I think we're splitting some 6440 04:14:28,560 --> 04:14:31,840 hairs here regarding the contract. If 6441 04:14:31,840 --> 04:14:33,760 there was a mistake made, it was not 6442 04:14:33,760 --> 04:14:35,840 intentional that I signed that contract 6443 04:14:35,840 --> 04:14:38,880 without the county attorney's approval. 6444 04:14:38,880 --> 04:14:42,800 Um, what do we do? Go backwards. All I 6445 04:14:42,800 --> 04:14:45,279 can say is I'm sorry that he didn't get 6446 04:14:45,279 --> 04:14:50,159 consulted in that. Um, the implied 6447 04:14:50,159 --> 04:14:52,239 that I was the only commissioner. I 6448 04:14:52,239 --> 04:14:54,800 don't believe so. Um, from the very 6449 04:14:54,800 --> 04:14:57,920 beginning, this plan to do this study 6450 04:14:57,920 --> 04:15:00,239 was Commissioner Martinez's. 6451 04:15:00,239 --> 04:15:02,159 It wasn't Commissioner Hadler's. It 6452 04:15:02,159 --> 04:15:03,920 wasn't Commissioner Adines. It was 6453 04:15:03,920 --> 04:15:06,720 Commissioner Martinez. And he has been 6454 04:15:06,720 --> 04:15:09,040 involved in those meetings and those 6455 04:15:09,040 --> 04:15:11,840 updates as much as he was involved again 6456 04:15:11,840 --> 04:15:14,720 in the most recent one where we had 6457 04:15:14,720 --> 04:15:17,120 administrator Tiner present with us as 6458 04:15:17,120 --> 04:15:21,600 well. And when we talk about only two 6459 04:15:21,600 --> 04:15:23,439 commissioners that have had access to 6460 04:15:23,439 --> 04:15:26,159 the ChemC Gardener Institute, why don't 6461 04:15:26,159 --> 04:15:28,000 we talk about the commissioners who are 6462 04:15:28,000 --> 04:15:30,319 using their personal emails to attempt 6463 04:15:30,319 --> 04:15:34,319 to influence this study and cause all 6464 04:15:34,319 --> 04:15:36,000 kinds of problems with it. Um, 6465 04:15:36,000 --> 04:15:38,319 Commissioner Haden's personal email is 6466 04:15:38,319 --> 04:15:40,640 tied to this ChemC Gardener Institute 6467 04:15:40,640 --> 04:15:41,199 study. 6468 04:15:41,199 --> 04:15:43,920 >> I did I didn't I'm talking. Thank you. 6469 04:15:43,920 --> 04:15:45,520 You'll get your opportunity when I'm 6470 04:15:45,520 --> 04:15:45,760 done. 6471 04:15:45,760 --> 04:15:47,920 >> I'm more than happy to say exactly. I'm 6472 04:15:47,920 --> 04:15:50,080 not asking you questions. I'm simply 6473 04:15:50,080 --> 04:15:52,080 stating that all of the commissioners 6474 04:15:52,080 --> 04:15:54,640 have had the opportunity to be involved 6475 04:15:54,640 --> 04:15:57,359 in this study and some of them have done 6476 04:15:57,359 --> 04:15:59,520 it by going around and doing it with 6477 04:15:59,520 --> 04:16:01,600 their personal emails rather than like 6478 04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:03,840 mine. You're welcome to my emails. You 6479 04:16:03,840 --> 04:16:06,080 don't have to gram them to get them. I 6480 04:16:06,080 --> 04:16:08,159 don't hide things in my emails. I make 6481 04:16:08,159 --> 04:16:11,120 them very public and I don't mind making 6482 04:16:11,120 --> 04:16:14,960 them public. So again, um I I think that 6483 04:16:14,960 --> 04:16:17,760 we're again just trying to find a way to 6484 04:16:17,760 --> 04:16:19,600 say no to something here. Personally, 6485 04:16:19,600 --> 04:16:21,359 it's just a study. 6486 04:16:21,359 --> 04:16:23,040 >> Sorry. It's already happened. 6487 04:16:23,040 --> 04:16:24,640 >> Yes. So thank you. 6488 04:16:24,640 --> 04:16:24,880 >> Okay. 6489 04:16:24,880 --> 04:16:26,560 >> So I'll just respond to that. Yeah. I 6490 04:16:26,560 --> 04:16:28,560 did write Nate and I think it was Nate 6491 04:16:28,560 --> 04:16:34,479 or Nate. Um because we had the 6492 04:16:34,479 --> 04:16:35,840 understanding that you guys had met 6493 04:16:35,840 --> 04:16:37,520 seven times. So I just said, "Oh, hey, 6494 04:16:37,520 --> 04:16:39,840 can I have those initial findings?" and 6495 04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:42,640 he said, "Contact 6496 04:16:42,640 --> 04:16:44,720 Mark." And so I sent the exact same 6497 04:16:44,720 --> 04:16:46,880 email that I sent to Kimy Gardener to 6498 04:16:46,880 --> 04:16:48,960 Mark and he sent it forward. My 6499 04:16:48,960 --> 04:16:50,880 understanding is when that email came 6500 04:16:50,880 --> 04:16:53,040 back, that's when you sent the email 6501 04:16:53,040 --> 04:16:55,920 that I think Mary read today. So that's 6502 04:16:55,920 --> 04:16:58,000 fine. Um, I did send it through my USU 6503 04:16:58,000 --> 04:17:00,159 email. I was on US I was working on my 6504 04:17:00,159 --> 04:17:02,319 USU class at that time and so that's I 6505 04:17:02,319 --> 04:17:05,199 sent it through trisha.haden 6506 04:17:05,199 --> 04:17:07,760 usu.edu. You guys are welcome to Grandma 6507 04:17:07,760 --> 04:17:10,319 all day long. Um, that's exactly what I 6508 04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:12,800 asked. He was very cordial, very nice, 6509 04:17:12,800 --> 04:17:14,880 and you know, I felt like I'm one of and 6510 04:17:14,880 --> 04:17:16,800 I stated that I'm a county commissioner. 6511 04:17:16,800 --> 04:17:18,239 Um, if there's been some initial 6512 04:17:18,239 --> 04:17:20,399 findings, I'd like to have those. My 6513 04:17:20,399 --> 04:17:24,080 only other um cuz I agree we're almost 6514 04:17:24,080 --> 04:17:26,479 done with this. Amen. 6515 04:17:26,479 --> 04:17:28,560 um is 6516 04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:32,399 if there were some initial findings and 6517 04:17:32,399 --> 04:17:34,960 we are concerned about the integrity of 6518 04:17:34,960 --> 04:17:36,720 that 6519 04:17:36,720 --> 04:17:38,479 document. 6520 04:17:38,479 --> 04:17:40,399 My concern is how did they get the 6521 04:17:40,399 --> 04:17:42,399 Hancock and I'm not I'm not going to use 6522 04:17:42,399 --> 04:17:46,000 study because it wasn't a study. Um 6523 04:17:46,000 --> 04:17:47,840 again I'll go back to this concept of 6524 04:17:47,840 --> 04:17:50,239 what a study is. It's peer-reviewed and 6525 04:17:50,239 --> 04:17:52,159 eventually it's published. Not always 6526 04:17:52,159 --> 04:17:54,720 but it's published. Um, and that was 6527 04:17:54,720 --> 04:17:56,560 none of the above. And I did make that, 6528 04:17:56,560 --> 04:17:58,880 and you guys probably saw my comments to 6529 04:17:58,880 --> 04:18:01,600 you, uh, University of Utah that they 6530 04:18:01,600 --> 04:18:03,439 should throw that out as a reference. 6531 04:18:03,439 --> 04:18:06,319 It's just really a poor reference when 6532 04:18:06,319 --> 04:18:08,000 you have something that you should be 6533 04:18:08,000 --> 04:18:09,520 able to Google everything on Google 6534 04:18:09,520 --> 04:18:12,239 Scholar and it pops up. 6535 04:18:12,239 --> 04:18:14,560 And that does not, it's not a published 6536 04:18:14,560 --> 04:18:16,720 document. It's not a study. It's 6537 04:18:16,720 --> 04:18:18,800 somebody taking their information. She 6538 04:18:18,800 --> 04:18:21,439 did a very nice job. Emily just produced 6539 04:18:21,439 --> 04:18:24,319 a study that I can you I can disseminate 6540 04:18:24,319 --> 04:18:26,239 to you guys that she did an 6541 04:18:26,239 --> 04:18:28,720 extraordinary job also, but is not a 6542 04:18:28,720 --> 04:18:30,880 peer-reviewed study. And so it does not 6543 04:18:30,880 --> 04:18:34,239 get it's not does not get published. And 6544 04:18:34,239 --> 04:18:36,720 so I would I would assume hopefully you 6545 04:18:36,720 --> 04:18:38,479 that they will take that into account 6546 04:18:38,479 --> 04:18:43,680 and pull that out because I that's you know manipulating if you're 6547 04:18:43,680 --> 04:18:47,199 providing that entity with the sources 6548 04:18:47,199 --> 04:18:49,359 that you want them to look at. you're 6549 04:18:49,359 --> 04:18:54,550 trying to manipulate that study. 6550 04:18:54,560 --> 04:18:56,080 » Go ahead, Brian. 6551 04:18:56,080 --> 04:18:59,680 >> Yeah. So, let's start with let's see 6552 04:18:59,680 --> 04:19:02,080 here. I think Jock, you had talked about 6553 04:19:02,080 --> 04:19:05,439 the update right there. So, from the the 6554 04:19:05,439 --> 04:19:07,600 last update right there, and I included 6555 04:19:07,600 --> 04:19:09,680 it in there, the comments were all 6556 04:19:09,680 --> 04:19:12,720 received by the ChemC Gardener and I 6557 04:19:12,720 --> 04:19:15,520 made sure that the commission will have 6558 04:19:15,520 --> 04:19:18,640 written response to all of our comments. 6559 04:19:18,640 --> 04:19:20,720 Um, and then once again, they did have 6560 04:19:20,720 --> 04:19:22,640 further questions on a couple of people. 6561 04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:24,479 I told them to reach out. They reached 6562 04:19:24,479 --> 04:19:26,080 out to me on a couple of the things that 6563 04:19:26,080 --> 04:19:28,319 I brought up and said, "Hey, can I can I 6564 04:19:28,319 --> 04:19:29,840 see this study?" And I sent that to 6565 04:19:29,840 --> 04:19:32,880 them. Um, I'd like to get back to 6566 04:19:32,880 --> 04:19:34,960 >> So, are you point of contact now, Brent? 6567 04:19:34,960 --> 04:19:37,359 >> No. No. I was with Bill and Mark. I have 6568 04:19:37,359 --> 04:19:39,359 been with Bill and Mark since the start. 6569 04:19:39,359 --> 04:19:43,920 This was my idea to bring this up and and let's get to that right there. 6570 04:19:43,920 --> 04:19:46,800 So, if we can let's let's draw the whole 6571 04:19:46,800 --> 04:19:49,600 timeline. We presented the the Hancock 6572 04:19:49,600 --> 04:19:51,199 report right there, the the study that 6573 04:19:51,199 --> 04:19:53,520 he had done right there. And 6574 04:19:53,520 --> 04:19:55,279 Commissioner Habine had said, "Hey, this 6575 04:19:55,279 --> 04:19:57,040 is not a study. This is not peer 6576 04:19:57,040 --> 04:19:59,199 reviewed. We can't accept any of these 6577 04:19:59,199 --> 04:20:00,880 findings." And we said, "Great. Well, 6578 04:20:00,880 --> 04:20:03,359 let's go ahead and let's go to the 6579 04:20:03,359 --> 04:20:04,880 source." 6580 04:20:04,880 --> 04:20:06,720 that was identified through 6581 04:20:06,720 --> 04:20:09,040 the National Park Service was ChemC 6582 04:20:09,040 --> 04:20:11,199 Gardener. We have we have that. They 6583 04:20:11,199 --> 04:20:13,279 said that that yes, we have some data 6584 04:20:13,279 --> 04:20:15,920 when we did our RCC, which also was not 6585 04:20:15,920 --> 04:20:17,840 a study, right? That was just that was 6586 04:20:17,840 --> 04:20:19,840 just a contractor that came out and did 6587 04:20:19,840 --> 04:20:22,080 their little economic study right there 6588 04:20:22,080 --> 04:20:24,000 was RCC and Associates said, "Okay, 6589 04:20:24,000 --> 04:20:25,600 yeah, well, here you go." And they used 6590 04:20:25,600 --> 04:20:27,199 that and they made tons of decisions on 6591 04:20:27,199 --> 04:20:28,560 that. And that was not a study. It was 6592 04:20:28,560 --> 04:20:30,159 not peer-reviewed. And I don't know if 6593 04:20:30,159 --> 04:20:31,439 you could look it up in the Google 6594 04:20:31,439 --> 04:20:33,760 Scholarly or if it was published, right? 6595 04:20:33,760 --> 04:20:35,760 But I do know that when you said that, 6596 04:20:35,760 --> 04:20:37,920 hey, we need to have make sure that this 6597 04:20:37,920 --> 04:20:42,159 study or the results of this study are legitimate, we said, great. Let's go 6598 04:20:42,159 --> 04:20:44,720 take it to the source. And we did, 6599 04:20:44,720 --> 04:20:46,640 right? we took it to come see Gardener 6600 04:20:46,640 --> 04:20:49,199 and the the the fact that I wouldn't be 6601 04:20:49,199 --> 04:20:52,800 involved in in the the the the um the 6602 04:20:52,800 --> 04:20:54,560 item that I brought to the commission. 6603 04:20:54,560 --> 04:20:56,080 That's that's just that's that's strange 6604 04:20:56,080 --> 04:20:57,680 that you guys think that I wasn't going 6605 04:20:57,680 --> 04:20:58,000 to have 6606 04:20:58,000 --> 04:20:59,600 >> You never owned that, Brian. What's 6607 04:20:59,600 --> 04:20:59,920 that? 6608 04:20:59,920 --> 04:21:01,760 >> You never owned that previously. 6609 04:21:01,760 --> 04:21:04,505 >> Never did. I've never been asked. 6610 04:21:04,505 --> 04:21:04,640 [laughter] 6611 04:21:04,640 --> 04:21:08,319 >> You've been asked by I've talked with 6612 04:21:08,319 --> 04:21:10,159 >> You've been asked by many people. 6613 04:21:10,159 --> 04:21:11,279 >> Let's let him finish. 6614 04:21:11,279 --> 04:21:12,720 >> Do you mind? Do you mind if I go? 6615 04:21:12,720 --> 04:21:15,439 Thanks. Thanks. Right. So I yeah I was 6616 04:21:15,439 --> 04:21:17,680 there I I provided them information 6617 04:21:17,680 --> 04:21:19,359 right and then to talk about the 6618 04:21:19,359 --> 04:21:22,080 transparency of it all right I said I 6619 04:21:22,080 --> 04:21:23,760 saw that there were folks doing grammar 6620 04:21:23,760 --> 04:21:25,600 there was there was the newspaper coming 6621 04:21:25,600 --> 04:21:27,600 in with their own interpretation of 6622 04:21:27,600 --> 04:21:29,279 stuff and I said Mark we need to get all 6623 04:21:29,279 --> 04:21:31,439 of this information together and then we 6624 04:21:31,439 --> 04:21:33,120 came up with the idea to disseminate it 6625 04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:35,439 to every single commissioner right I 6626 04:21:35,439 --> 04:21:37,120 wanted everybody to have an equal 6627 04:21:37,120 --> 04:21:39,359 playing foot on what was going on with 6628 04:21:39,359 --> 04:21:41,520 this and then yeah I did see Trish's 6629 04:21:41,520 --> 04:21:43,279 email and you guys got to see all my 6630 04:21:43,279 --> 04:21:45,680 emails I'm not trying to hide anything. 6631 04:21:45,680 --> 04:21:47,040 I'm actually trying to show you what 6632 04:21:47,040 --> 04:21:48,560 was, you know, this is what has been 6633 04:21:48,560 --> 04:21:50,640 happening so that you can follow it. I 6634 04:21:50,640 --> 04:21:52,399 don't know why you're upset with the 6635 04:21:52,399 --> 04:21:55,120 fact that the uh uh ChemC Gardener has 6636 04:21:55,120 --> 04:21:57,279 Matt Hancock study so that they could 6637 04:21:57,279 --> 04:21:59,040 look at that information. They also had 6638 04:21:59,040 --> 04:22:02,560 the IRC back in 2018. They also had the 6639 04:22:02,560 --> 04:22:06,399 uh uh the 2021, the 2022, and the 2016 6640 04:22:06,399 --> 04:22:09,279 visitor spending experience surveys. 6641 04:22:09,279 --> 04:22:11,279 They had all of that information right 6642 04:22:11,279 --> 04:22:13,680 there. They also had the vape. they they 6643 04:22:13,680 --> 04:22:15,439 didn't they they needed to find a way to 6644 04:22:15,439 --> 04:22:17,120 source all that information and all I 6645 04:22:17,120 --> 04:22:18,960 did was send them links and you can look 6646 04:22:18,960 --> 04:22:21,040 inside the emails and you can see that 6647 04:22:21,040 --> 04:22:23,120 that's exactly what I did. Oh, you need 6648 04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:25,600 that information? Perfect. Here you go. 6649 04:22:25,600 --> 04:22:26,960 Right. There's not there hasn't been 6650 04:22:26,960 --> 04:22:29,199 anything of us trying to guide this 6651 04:22:29,199 --> 04:22:31,359 study. Um you can also look at those 6652 04:22:31,359 --> 04:22:33,279 emails and you can see the the one email 6653 04:22:33,279 --> 04:22:35,840 that Bill sent that said all I want you 6654 04:22:35,840 --> 04:22:38,800 guys to do is follow the MOA. Right? 6655 04:22:38,800 --> 04:22:40,800 whatever whatever is happening, just 6656 04:22:40,800 --> 04:22:43,840 please follow the MOA. Um, 6657 04:22:43,840 --> 04:22:47,120 >> spin job is unbelievable. Great work. 6658 04:22:47,120 --> 04:22:49,040 >> Yeah, you know, I'm tired of your 6659 04:22:49,040 --> 04:22:50,880 comments, man. I have to call point of 6660 04:22:50,880 --> 04:22:51,359 order. 6661 04:22:51,359 --> 04:22:52,239 >> Call point of order. 6662 04:22:52,239 --> 04:22:53,840 >> Thanks, dude. Cuz, you know, I'm tired 6663 04:22:53,840 --> 04:22:56,479 of of being being interrupted. I let you 6664 04:22:56,479 --> 04:22:58,080 talk when you want to go, right? Even 6665 04:22:58,080 --> 04:22:59,600 when I disagree with you, which is most 6666 04:22:59,600 --> 04:23:01,520 of the time. 6667 04:23:01,520 --> 04:23:03,279 >> Sorry. Go ahead. Are you done? 6668 04:23:03,279 --> 04:23:03,920 >> I'm done. 6669 04:23:03,920 --> 04:23:07,680 >> Okay. Just real quick, we how we follow 6670 04:23:07,680 --> 04:23:10,159 an MOA that we hadn't seen. We hadn't 6671 04:23:10,159 --> 04:23:12,239 seen it. We didn't approve it. It was 6672 04:23:12,239 --> 04:23:15,120 signed by bill without commission 6673 04:23:15,120 --> 04:23:17,680 approval, which 6674 04:23:17,680 --> 04:23:20,239 that's a bad deal. We did not see the 6675 04:23:20,239 --> 04:23:23,199 MOA until recently. I want to say 6676 04:23:23,199 --> 04:23:25,920 February. We never saw that MOA last 6677 04:23:25,920 --> 04:23:29,600 year. We did not. 6678 04:23:29,600 --> 04:23:32,319 It was signed by bill without without 6679 04:23:32,319 --> 04:23:35,199 the county attorney reviewing it. Never 6680 04:23:35,199 --> 04:23:36,720 came to the commission. We did not 6681 04:23:36,720 --> 04:23:39,040 approve that MOA. We approved the 6682 04:23:39,040 --> 04:23:41,199 proposal like to Yes. We you know 6683 04:23:41,199 --> 04:23:42,560 >> what was what was the difference between 6684 04:23:42,560 --> 04:23:44,720 the MOA and the proposal? 6685 04:23:44,720 --> 04:23:46,800 >> The bill was the point of contact. I'd 6686 04:23:46,800 --> 04:23:48,640 have to go back and pull all that. 6687 04:23:48,640 --> 04:23:50,159 >> No, no, no. I mean, if this is such a 6688 04:23:50,159 --> 04:23:51,600 major thing and you you've gone through 6689 04:23:51,600 --> 04:23:53,920 it, Trish, please tell me exactly what 6690 04:23:53,920 --> 04:23:54,720 is driving this. 6691 04:23:54,720 --> 04:23:56,960 >> I don't have that information right now. 6692 04:23:56,960 --> 04:23:57,359 You just 6693 04:23:57,359 --> 04:23:58,720 >> So, now who is who is driving it? 6694 04:23:58,720 --> 04:23:59,680 Because [clears throat] if this is the 6695 04:23:59,680 --> 04:24:02,159 major rub that you have, please tell me. 6696 04:24:02,159 --> 04:24:03,600 >> It's not the It's not the major rub that 6697 04:24:03,600 --> 04:24:04,159 I have. 6698 04:24:04,159 --> 04:24:06,080 >> Okay, then I'm I'm good then. 6699 04:24:06,080 --> 04:24:10,790 >> Mary, 6700 04:24:10,800 --> 04:24:14,000 » I think there was withholding. 6701 04:24:14,000 --> 04:24:16,000 Maybe not lying. There was definitely 6702 04:24:16,000 --> 04:24:18,640 withholding and not not not, you know, 6703 04:24:18,640 --> 04:24:21,279 just kind of keeping people in the dark. 6704 04:24:21,279 --> 04:24:23,680 But I I think this uh conversation 6705 04:24:23,680 --> 04:24:26,319 should be brought to a close. I mean, we 6706 04:24:26,319 --> 04:24:29,279 are good. we could spend the next five 6707 04:24:29,279 --> 04:24:31,040 hours and we're going to go around and 6708 04:24:31,040 --> 04:24:35,359 around in circles and see things. Uh I 6709 04:24:35,359 --> 04:24:42,720 think I felt like there was a lot of things 6710 04:24:42,720 --> 04:24:43,840 that could have been done that would 6711 04:24:43,840 --> 04:24:46,960 have made uh people feel say uh better 6712 04:24:46,960 --> 04:24:49,040 about things. 6713 04:24:49,040 --> 04:24:50,960 >> Bill wants to say one more thing. 6714 04:24:50,960 --> 04:24:52,800 >> Yeah. I number one I want to start with 6715 04:24:52,800 --> 04:24:54,239 I don't think you should end a 6716 04:24:54,239 --> 04:24:56,399 conversation going out insulting another 6717 04:24:56,399 --> 04:24:58,239 commissioner. If you want to insult me 6718 04:24:58,239 --> 04:25:00,560 as you just did withholding information 6719 04:25:00,560 --> 04:25:02,560 keeping people in the dark then you have 6720 04:25:02,560 --> 04:25:03,920 to allow a rebuttal. 6721 04:25:03,920 --> 04:25:04,560 >> Oh okay. 6722 04:25:04,560 --> 04:25:07,199 >> So I think that's extremely rude. Number 6723 04:25:07,199 --> 04:25:09,680 one is I could probably point to times 6724 04:25:09,680 --> 04:25:11,840 that Jacques has been less than honest 6725 04:25:11,840 --> 04:25:14,319 or I could point to something Dean has 6726 04:25:14,319 --> 04:25:16,720 done or Commissioner Martinez but I 6727 04:25:16,720 --> 04:25:19,680 don't do that. That isn't my mo motus of 6728 04:25:19,680 --> 04:25:21,840 operande here. What we are going to do 6729 04:25:21,840 --> 04:25:25,120 is eventually get a study or we can just 6730 04:25:25,120 --> 04:25:28,159 we don't let's pull the 60,000 or pay it 6731 04:25:28,159 --> 04:25:30,000 and not get the study. Let's ask them to 6732 04:25:30,000 --> 04:25:31,760 not do a study. What difference does it 6733 04:25:31,760 --> 04:25:34,319 make? I assure you that when we get that 6734 04:25:34,319 --> 04:25:36,159 study, there are going to be things in 6735 04:25:36,159 --> 04:25:39,199 it I don't like. There are going to be 6736 04:25:39,199 --> 04:25:41,920 things in it that you don't like. But 6737 04:25:41,920 --> 04:25:44,239 when we get it, I'm not going to insult 6738 04:25:44,239 --> 04:25:46,000 you and tell you you're withholding 6739 04:25:46,000 --> 04:25:48,000 information and you're keeping us in the 6740 04:25:48,000 --> 04:25:51,120 dark and play this this I don't know 6741 04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:52,960 what game you guys want to call this. 6742 04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:54,880 It's so insultive. I don't know how to 6743 04:25:54,880 --> 04:25:57,199 deal with it. I'm so insulted. It's 6744 04:25:57,199 --> 04:26:01,760 ridiculous. And and please already 6745 04:26:01,760 --> 04:26:04,080 level professionalism here. We want to 6746 04:26:04,080 --> 04:26:06,640 have a meeting with the city. We want to 6747 04:26:06,640 --> 04:26:08,399 do we want to go over there and do our 6748 04:26:08,399 --> 04:26:11,439 dirty laundry with the city? No, we 6749 04:26:11,439 --> 04:26:13,600 don't. We want to be professionals. All 6750 04:26:13,600 --> 04:26:15,760 of us. Let's act like it. Let's quit 6751 04:26:15,760 --> 04:26:18,640 playing back and forth and insinuating 6752 04:26:18,640 --> 04:26:21,680 that there's some sensor thing here. I I 6753 04:26:21,680 --> 04:26:23,680 just We wanted a report because you 6754 04:26:23,680 --> 04:26:26,479 didn't like the Hancock one. They asked 6755 04:26:26,479 --> 04:26:29,600 for four reports when they did their 6756 04:26:29,600 --> 04:26:31,920 study. They asked for the the three that 6757 04:26:31,920 --> 04:26:33,520 the park service had done and the 6758 04:26:33,520 --> 04:26:36,239 Hancock one. They watched our meeting. 6759 04:26:36,239 --> 04:26:38,399 They didn't go into this blind to do the 6760 04:26:38,399 --> 04:26:40,560 Chem Gardener Institute. They studied 6761 04:26:40,560 --> 04:26:42,319 it. They wanted to know what all the 6762 04:26:42,319 --> 04:26:44,319 issues were. They wanted it. So, it was 6763 04:26:44,319 --> 04:26:46,720 provided to them. Commissioner Martinez 6764 04:26:46,720 --> 04:26:49,279 sent them the Hancock study. They're 6765 04:26:49,279 --> 04:26:51,600 smart enough that they can decide if it 6766 04:26:51,600 --> 04:26:53,920 needed a peer review. We don't need to 6767 04:26:53,920 --> 04:26:56,479 continually hear Mr. Hancock's name drug 6768 04:26:56,479 --> 04:26:58,399 through the mud either. It's It's like 6769 04:26:58,399 --> 04:27:00,640 it's a game. He's an amateur or he 6770 04:27:00,640 --> 04:27:02,080 doesn't know what he's doing or it 6771 04:27:02,080 --> 04:27:03,520 should have been thrown away or they 6772 04:27:03,520 --> 04:27:05,120 should I hope they're smart enough to 6773 04:27:05,120 --> 04:27:08,080 not use that. Please already try and be 6774 04:27:08,080 --> 04:27:10,800 positive. Let's put a message out to the 6775 04:27:10,800 --> 04:27:12,319 people that are listening to us that 6776 04:27:12,319 --> 04:27:14,880 we're professionals. 6777 04:27:14,880 --> 04:27:16,800 I'm done. 6778 04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:18,640 >> And I would just state that I've known 6779 04:27:18,640 --> 04:27:20,720 that that Brian's been on the 6780 04:27:20,720 --> 04:27:22,479 conversations with Bill. I mean, but I 6781 04:27:22,479 --> 04:27:23,760 usually in a meeting it's actually 6782 04:27:23,760 --> 04:27:25,680 usually after agenda review. They they 6783 04:27:25,680 --> 04:27:26,800 would go and he's like, I got a meeting 6784 04:27:26,800 --> 04:27:28,399 with Kemp Gardner afterwards, you know, 6785 04:27:28,399 --> 04:27:30,080 and Brian would be meeting and then I'd 6786 04:27:30,080 --> 04:27:31,600 follow up and that's why I always knew 6787 04:27:31,600 --> 04:27:33,920 what was going on. You know, I I I 6788 04:27:33,920 --> 04:27:35,680 talked to Bill and then I'd call them 6789 04:27:35,680 --> 04:27:37,040 afterwards and be like, what's going on? 6790 04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:38,159 They're like, "Well, they're wait, you 6791 04:27:38,159 --> 04:27:39,199 know, they're working on it. They're 6792 04:27:39,199 --> 04:27:40,880 working on it." And so, there was never 6793 04:27:40,880 --> 04:27:44,319 in my eyes anything that was 6794 04:27:44,319 --> 04:27:46,880 in the dark. They're not withholding. 6795 04:27:46,880 --> 04:27:48,640 You know, I know we did not see I agree 6796 04:27:48,640 --> 04:27:50,880 with you that we did not see the signed 6797 04:27:50,880 --> 04:27:52,399 um 6798 04:27:52,399 --> 04:27:55,920 uh document until I asked for it when, 6799 04:27:55,920 --> 04:27:57,520 you know, after I became the chair and I 6800 04:27:57,520 --> 04:27:58,640 said, you know, we haven't seen that. 6801 04:27:58,640 --> 04:27:59,760 And people have been saying we haven't 6802 04:27:59,760 --> 04:28:02,159 seen it, so let's see it. I mean, I 6803 04:28:02,159 --> 04:28:04,880 assumed that what we voted on was what 6804 04:28:04,880 --> 04:28:06,319 was in there. And so, you know, and I 6805 04:28:06,319 --> 04:28:08,000 know there's a few different changes 6806 04:28:08,000 --> 04:28:10,239 Mary O'Brien's showed them. She's 6807 04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:12,239 emailed us about them. I don't feel like 6808 04:28:12,239 --> 04:28:14,560 the changes that are in there from the 6809 04:28:14,560 --> 04:28:16,479 agreement versus what we voted on are 6810 04:28:16,479 --> 04:28:18,239 that much that are like, "Oh my gosh, 6811 04:28:18,239 --> 04:28:20,800 this is the end of the world." Um, and 6812 04:28:20,800 --> 04:28:22,560 so that's just how I I feel about it. I 6813 04:28:22,560 --> 04:28:23,680 just want you to know, and I've never 6814 04:28:23,680 --> 04:28:26,159 been asked if if Brian was if I knew 6815 04:28:26,159 --> 04:28:28,159 Brian was there. And when I was asked, I 6816 04:28:28,159 --> 04:28:29,760 absolutely was like, "Yes, I knew he was 6817 04:28:29,760 --> 04:28:31,520 there. It's Bill's and and it's Bill's 6818 04:28:31,520 --> 04:28:32,479 meeting, and he can invite who he 6819 04:28:32,479 --> 04:28:33,920 wants." Just like the meeting with Lena 6820 04:28:33,920 --> 04:28:35,439 and this off subject, but you know, the 6821 04:28:35,439 --> 04:28:36,800 meeting with Lena was with me. She 6822 04:28:36,800 --> 04:28:37,840 called me. I'm the chair of the 6823 04:28:37,840 --> 04:28:39,680 commission and I invited Brian and Bill 6824 04:28:39,680 --> 04:28:41,359 to come along, you know, and you can see 6825 04:28:41,359 --> 04:28:43,120 it all in all the emails. You guys have 6826 04:28:43,120 --> 04:28:44,960 all the emails. They're all easy to be 6827 04:28:44,960 --> 04:28:47,199 seen. We're sharing them all and now we 6828 04:28:47,199 --> 04:28:48,640 have a working group that way. We don't 6829 04:28:48,640 --> 04:28:50,640 have you guys saying we're doing 6830 04:28:50,640 --> 04:28:52,080 something that we're hiding from the 6831 04:28:52,080 --> 04:28:53,439 community because we're not hiding it. 6832 04:28:53,439 --> 04:28:54,640 You know, we're working with everybody. 6833 04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:56,479 We're trying to get this done. And 6834 04:28:56,479 --> 04:28:58,319 that's, you know, that's the end of this 6835 04:28:58,319 --> 04:29:00,720 discussion. So, the next discussion that 6836 04:29:00,720 --> 04:29:03,439 we're going to have is um the county 6837 04:29:03,439 --> 04:29:05,040 commissions with the media. And I'm just 6838 04:29:05,040 --> 04:29:07,600 going to start off and probably end it 6839 04:29:07,600 --> 04:29:09,040 with a fact that I'm working on a 6840 04:29:09,040 --> 04:29:10,720 commission communication policy that 6841 04:29:10,720 --> 04:29:13,279 will go in the policy uh and procedures 6842 04:29:13,279 --> 04:29:15,439 for the commission that all official 6843 04:29:15,439 --> 04:29:17,439 communications issued on behalf of Gran 6844 04:29:17,439 --> 04:29:19,840 County shall align with the adopted 6845 04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:22,080 policies and current priorities of the 6846 04:29:22,080 --> 04:29:24,239 commission majority be grounded in 6847 04:29:24,239 --> 04:29:26,560 verifiable facts and serve to inform and 6848 04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:28,319 educate residents while supporting 6849 04:29:28,319 --> 04:29:31,199 healthy civic discourse. Communications 6850 04:29:31,199 --> 04:29:33,199 do not require prior commission approval 6851 04:29:33,199 --> 04:29:35,120 and are the responsibility of 6852 04:29:35,120 --> 04:29:37,760 administrative staff prepared as needed 6853 04:29:37,760 --> 04:29:39,279 in collaboration with the commission 6854 04:29:39,279 --> 04:29:41,520 administrator to ensure consistency with 6855 04:29:41,520 --> 04:29:43,920 the county's governance direction and 6856 04:29:43,920 --> 04:29:46,399 policy commitments. Staff exercising 6857 04:29:46,399 --> 04:29:48,560 this authority do so in administrative 6858 04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:50,720 capacity, giving effect to adopted 6859 04:29:50,720 --> 04:29:52,319 policy rather than making or 6860 04:29:52,319 --> 04:29:54,800 interpreting policy independently. So, 6861 04:29:54,800 --> 04:29:56,239 this isn't going to be voted on today. I 6862 04:29:56,239 --> 04:29:57,199 didn't put on here because we're going 6863 04:29:57,199 --> 04:29:58,479 to add it into the policies and 6864 04:29:58,479 --> 04:29:59,920 procedures. you'll all be able to read 6865 04:29:59,920 --> 04:30:02,479 it and see it and we can discuss it in 6866 04:30:02,479 --> 04:30:05,040 future. But that's how I I my stance on 6867 04:30:05,040 --> 04:30:07,120 with county communication is that 6868 04:30:07,120 --> 04:30:08,479 they're going to represent what the 6869 04:30:08,479 --> 04:30:09,840 majority of the commission is working 6870 04:30:09,840 --> 04:30:11,920 on. 6871 04:30:11,920 --> 04:30:14,640 And that's Go ahead. Okay. So, all I 6872 04:30:14,640 --> 04:30:16,479 wanted to I wanted this to be very 6873 04:30:16,479 --> 04:30:18,319 casual. I don't want it to be 6874 04:30:18,319 --> 04:30:21,120 contentious. Um, just know that, you 6875 04:30:21,120 --> 04:30:23,359 know, as commissioners, we have 6876 04:30:23,359 --> 04:30:26,479 constituents come to us when, for 6877 04:30:26,479 --> 04:30:28,319 example, items come out in the 6878 04:30:28,319 --> 04:30:30,399 advertiser and that was a very I think 6879 04:30:30,399 --> 04:30:32,560 the essential air stuff, I heard nothing 6880 04:30:32,560 --> 04:30:35,199 about that. The ACE plan, I heard a lot. 6881 04:30:35,199 --> 04:30:37,279 And so, I'm a representative of this 6882 04:30:37,279 --> 04:30:39,760 community and so as such, I want to 6883 04:30:39,760 --> 04:30:43,279 bring those concerns forward. My 6884 04:30:43,279 --> 04:30:44,800 hope, 6885 04:30:44,800 --> 04:30:48,479 my ask is that it if it is an item of 6886 04:30:48,479 --> 04:30:50,159 contention, 6887 04:30:50,159 --> 04:30:52,080 once it is put together, it does come to 6888 04:30:52,080 --> 04:30:53,840 the commission for approval. And just 6889 04:30:53,840 --> 04:30:55,199 like you said, if the commission 6890 04:30:55,199 --> 04:30:57,120 majority approves it, I'm good with 6891 04:30:57,120 --> 04:30:59,199 that. And then the community knows. And 6892 04:30:59,199 --> 04:31:01,439 then I also have some feedback when 6893 04:31:01,439 --> 04:31:03,680 those people are coming to me. I mean, I 6894 04:31:03,680 --> 04:31:05,439 was a little blindsided when they were 6895 04:31:05,439 --> 04:31:06,800 coming to me because I hadn't seen the 6896 04:31:06,800 --> 04:31:08,239 advertiser yet. And I'm like, I don't 6897 04:31:08,239 --> 04:31:10,239 know what you're talking about. And if 6898 04:31:10,239 --> 04:31:11,920 that makes sense. And so I think if it's 6899 04:31:11,920 --> 04:31:14,640 an item of contention, I think it's 6900 04:31:14,640 --> 04:31:16,399 simple enough [laughter] to pass it by 6901 04:31:16,399 --> 04:31:18,640 the commission before it goes out so 6902 04:31:18,640 --> 04:31:20,800 that we're all apprised of it. We're 6903 04:31:20,800 --> 04:31:24,000 ready to you know face our constituents 6904 04:31:24,000 --> 04:31:25,439 when they're calling when they're blown 6905 04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:26,880 us out. That's all I'm going to say. I 6906 04:31:26,880 --> 04:31:28,640 don't want to I and you know Dana this 6907 04:31:28,640 --> 04:31:30,479 policy it may be that I just send you 6908 04:31:30,479 --> 04:31:32,560 the chair where whoever the chair may be 6909 04:31:32,560 --> 04:31:34,080 at the moment it's me in the future 6910 04:31:34,080 --> 04:31:35,600 it'll be someone else you know but the 6911 04:31:35,600 --> 04:31:37,040 chair would send out you know like this 6912 04:31:37,040 --> 04:31:38,319 is the communication that's going out. 6913 04:31:38,319 --> 04:31:39,920 It's not going to be that's funny. We're 6914 04:31:39,920 --> 04:31:42,000 not going to direct our staff on fine, 6915 04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:43,359 you know, but that way maybe just a 6916 04:31:43,359 --> 04:31:43,840 heads up. 6917 04:31:43,840 --> 04:31:44,479 >> That would be great. 6918 04:31:44,479 --> 04:31:45,760 >> No, a heads up so that you don't 6919 04:31:45,760 --> 04:31:47,439 >> I would like I would love that because 6920 04:31:47,439 --> 04:31:49,279 like I said, I think it's more of just 6921 04:31:49,279 --> 04:31:52,479 having that awareness so when community 6922 04:31:52,479 --> 04:31:55,199 members like I said and I haven't seen 6923 04:31:55,199 --> 04:31:56,080 what's coming out in the 6924 04:31:56,080 --> 04:31:57,040 >> I would appreciate that 6925 04:31:57,040 --> 04:31:59,600 >> advertiser or what's coming. I also I 6926 04:31:59,600 --> 04:32:00,720 mean I would like to share that with you 6927 04:32:00,720 --> 04:32:02,399 because we have a lot of things that go 6928 04:32:02,399 --> 04:32:04,880 on our social media and not everyone's 6929 04:32:04,880 --> 04:32:06,239 on social media and so they don't see it 6930 04:32:06,239 --> 04:32:08,319 and I follow Grand County and probably 6931 04:32:08,319 --> 04:32:09,840 it's the only thing that I look at is 6932 04:32:09,840 --> 04:32:11,680 our Grand County social media on 6933 04:32:11,680 --> 04:32:13,120 Facebook because I want to see what's 6934 04:32:13,120 --> 04:32:14,880 being put out and so I just can send 6935 04:32:14,880 --> 04:32:16,000 that to you guys in an email. 6936 04:32:16,000 --> 04:32:17,760 >> I would appreciate that because it 6937 04:32:17,760 --> 04:32:19,279 usually is going to be something that 6938 04:32:19,279 --> 04:32:20,800 goes on our website 6939 04:32:20,800 --> 04:32:23,840 >> or on our um social media 6940 04:32:23,840 --> 04:32:24,720 >> or it appears 6941 04:32:24,720 --> 04:32:25,920 >> or that that would go there. 6942 04:32:25,920 --> 04:32:27,120 >> Okay. Oh, I appreciate that. 6943 04:32:27,120 --> 04:32:28,319 >> And I, you know, cuz I am think during 6944 04:32:28,319 --> 04:32:29,760 the airport stuff, maybe there was 6945 04:32:29,760 --> 04:32:31,120 things you guys didn't know were going 6946 04:32:31,120 --> 04:32:33,040 on, but I was reading it on our county 6947 04:32:33,040 --> 04:32:34,399 website and I was like, "Oh, [laughter] 6948 04:32:34,399 --> 04:32:35,600 I'm going to go and I'm going to go to 6949 04:32:35,600 --> 04:32:37,279 this." You know, I appreciate that. 6950 04:32:37,279 --> 04:32:38,560 >> If we can give you guys some more 6951 04:32:38,560 --> 04:32:40,159 information, that would be wonderful. I 6952 04:32:40,159 --> 04:32:40,880 would appreciate that. 6953 04:32:40,880 --> 04:32:41,760 >> All right. Thank you. 6954 04:32:41,760 --> 04:32:43,600 >> And just just one quick point, there's 6955 04:32:43,600 --> 04:32:46,000 there are seven of you folks and I think 6956 04:32:46,000 --> 04:32:48,319 one of the things that sometimes is hard 6957 04:32:48,319 --> 04:32:50,640 is I try to have for me personally, 6958 04:32:50,640 --> 04:32:52,399 speaking to my working experience, I try 6959 04:32:52,399 --> 04:32:53,760 to call you guys when I'm going through 6960 04:32:53,760 --> 04:32:55,920 and try to call all 70 of you guys. we 6961 04:32:55,920 --> 04:32:57,439 might have seven different conversations 6962 04:32:57,439 --> 04:32:59,600 about different pieces. I cannot imagine 6963 04:32:59,600 --> 04:33:01,680 what Mark and Quinn have to do as well. 6964 04:33:01,680 --> 04:33:03,760 And so it's it's really hard sometimes 6965 04:33:03,760 --> 04:33:05,359 when we're trying to get messaging and 6966 04:33:05,359 --> 04:33:06,959 trying to communicate because 6967 04:33:06,959 --> 04:33:08,320 Commissioner Hadler's question might be 6968 04:33:08,320 --> 04:33:09,520 different than Commissioner Lean's 6969 04:33:09,520 --> 04:33:10,799 question, it might be different from the 6970 04:33:10,799 --> 04:33:13,920 chairs. And so balancing all of that, I 6971 04:33:13,920 --> 04:33:15,439 think there's a lot of information that 6972 04:33:15,439 --> 04:33:17,039 you folks have and that you guys have 6973 04:33:17,039 --> 04:33:18,561 the opportunity to provide that 6974 04:33:18,561 --> 04:33:20,400 information to the public and you all 6975 04:33:20,400 --> 04:33:25,359 speak to different facets and sex of the of the entire thing. So I think 6976 04:33:25,359 --> 04:33:26,799 that's one thing that's really important 6977 04:33:26,799 --> 04:33:29,279 to remember because you guys have a lot 6978 04:33:29,279 --> 04:33:31,199 of information. You guys have different 6979 04:33:31,199 --> 04:33:32,480 groups you talk to 6980 04:33:32,480 --> 04:33:33,920 >> and so I think that's really helpful. 6981 04:33:33,920 --> 04:33:36,160 >> I appreciate that. Thank you. 6982 04:33:36,160 --> 04:33:38,160 >> And one announcement after that. 6983 04:33:38,160 --> 04:33:39,920 >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, go ahead. 6984 04:33:39,920 --> 04:33:41,039 I'm going to let you do your 6985 04:33:41,039 --> 04:33:41,920 commissioning [laughter] 6986 04:33:41,920 --> 04:33:44,080 >> just super quick if you guys elected 6987 04:33:44,080 --> 04:33:46,400 >> the blue pin wheels out. It is child 6988 04:33:46,400 --> 04:33:48,080 abuse awareness month. These are being 6989 04:33:48,080 --> 04:33:50,240 put out by the family support center. Um 6990 04:33:50,240 --> 04:33:52,080 grab them. It's a good cause. The family 6991 04:33:52,080 --> 04:33:54,719 support center did an open house and um 6992 04:33:54,719 --> 04:33:56,240 just want to remind people that there 6993 04:33:56,240 --> 04:33:58,080 are really good things the county does. 6994 04:33:58,080 --> 04:34:00,320 Uh a lot of people came out to the um 6995 04:34:00,320 --> 04:34:02,080 family support center and we're looking 6996 04:34:02,080 --> 04:34:04,240 at um trying to raise raise awareness 6997 04:34:04,240 --> 04:34:06,799 for this really important topic. And so 6998 04:34:06,799 --> 04:34:08,160 that's all I'm going to say. I don't 6999 04:34:08,160 --> 04:34:09,119 want to take away from that cuz that's 7000 04:34:09,119 --> 04:34:10,160 the most important thing. 7001 04:34:10,160 --> 04:34:12,080 >> That is awesome. I was going to It was 7002 04:34:12,080 --> 04:34:14,561 on my calendar. I didn't make it um to 7003 04:34:14,561 --> 04:34:18,080 that yesterday and then or Friday. No, 7004 04:34:18,080 --> 04:34:19,600 yesterday. Yesterday [laughter] 7005 04:34:19,600 --> 04:34:21,600 >> and then if anybody I mean we're here. 7006 04:34:21,600 --> 04:34:24,000 It is 8:34. But if there's anybody that 7007 04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:26,000 Do we want to listen to Brian and Bill 7008 04:34:26,000 --> 04:34:27,199 tonight or do we want to put that on the 7009 04:34:27,199 --> 04:34:28,240 next agenda? It's up to 7010 04:34:28,240 --> 04:34:29,920 >> Let's go through it. I mean I'll pull 7011 04:34:29,920 --> 04:34:30,320 that. 7012 04:34:30,320 --> 04:34:32,719 >> Okay. Hold up. And then if anybody else 7013 04:34:32,719 --> 04:34:34,320 has anything specific from their 7014 04:34:34,320 --> 04:34:36,000 commission report that they want to 7015 04:34:36,000 --> 04:34:38,400 share. Um yeah, go ahead, John. 7016 04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:40,959 >> I have a really quick plug for spring 7017 04:34:40,959 --> 04:34:43,279 spruce up on Saturday. Uh that's the 7018 04:34:43,279 --> 04:34:45,199 annual event that uh Trailmax has been 7019 04:34:45,199 --> 04:34:47,680 putting on for the last four years. And 7020 04:34:47,680 --> 04:34:50,000 it's an awesome volunteer opportunity to 7021 04:34:50,000 --> 04:34:52,080 get out and and do some community 7022 04:34:52,080 --> 04:34:54,400 service, work on trails, work on on 7023 04:34:54,400 --> 04:34:57,760 beautifying town and our uh public 7024 04:34:57,760 --> 04:35:00,400 lands. So check it out, sign it up. You 7025 04:35:00,400 --> 04:35:06,719 can you can uh do a Google search for spring spruce up or I think it's on 7026 04:35:06,719 --> 04:35:10,000 the I'm not sure. [laughter] I'm not 7027 04:35:10,000 --> 04:35:13,680 Yeah, I'm not a social media guy, but you'll be able to find it and uh 7028 04:35:13,680 --> 04:35:14,959 it's super rewarding. 7029 04:35:14,959 --> 04:35:16,959 >> Okay. And I'm going to uh so just 7030 04:35:16,959 --> 04:35:18,561 reminder, we do have the city county 7031 04:35:18,561 --> 04:35:21,279 meeting next Friday, the 17th at noon, 7032 04:35:21,279 --> 04:35:22,639 and they're going to do lunch. So, if 7033 04:35:22,639 --> 04:35:23,680 you want to get there a little bit 7034 04:35:23,680 --> 04:35:25,119 early, she said that they'd have it 7035 04:35:25,119 --> 04:35:28,480 there. And the agenda will come out next 7036 04:35:28,480 --> 04:35:30,639 week. I'll have that all for you. And 7037 04:35:30,639 --> 04:35:31,840 then I've been working with the Utah 7038 04:35:31,840 --> 04:35:34,000 Renewables community and if you could go 7039 04:35:34,000 --> 04:35:37,439 to my notes and and go to the website 7040 04:35:37,439 --> 04:35:39,439 link, it's going to explain to you a lot 7041 04:35:39,439 --> 04:35:40,879 what's going on. So, it's going to be a 7042 04:35:40,879 --> 04:35:43,840 $4 increase to our community and that's 7043 04:35:43,840 --> 04:35:46,400 what we will be voting on. And it's we 7044 04:35:46,400 --> 04:35:48,080 have to have this done by June 2nd. And 7045 04:35:48,080 --> 04:35:49,439 so, I have the ordinance. I'm working on 7046 04:35:49,439 --> 04:35:50,799 the ordinance that'll be coming up the 7047 04:35:50,799 --> 04:35:53,199 next few meetings. But, I just want you 7048 04:35:53,199 --> 04:35:55,199 guys all to have a heads up, reach out 7049 04:35:55,199 --> 04:35:58,561 to me with questions. And um you know, I 7050 04:35:58,561 --> 04:36:02,240 think that it's the opportunity. We're allowing our community to choose 7051 04:36:02,240 --> 04:36:04,000 to do that. If they don't want to do it, 7052 04:36:04,000 --> 04:36:06,240 they can opt out. But if we vote no, 7053 04:36:06,240 --> 04:36:09,039 then they don't have that opportunity. 7054 04:36:09,039 --> 04:36:10,719 So, I think that there's, you know, I I 7055 04:36:10,719 --> 04:36:12,320 think affordability in our community is 7056 04:36:12,320 --> 04:36:13,680 super important, but I also think we're 7057 04:36:13,680 --> 04:36:15,600 a community that values sustainability 7058 04:36:15,600 --> 04:36:17,359 and value, you know, has these values 7059 04:36:17,359 --> 04:36:20,000 that I have spent a lot of time. It's 7060 04:36:20,000 --> 04:36:22,480 been a it's been a big thing, but not 7061 04:36:22,480 --> 04:36:24,080 nearly as much, but all the other people 7062 04:36:24,080 --> 04:36:26,160 have. I mean there is some amazing 7063 04:36:26,160 --> 04:36:28,080 people that have put this all together 7064 04:36:28,080 --> 04:36:30,879 and so it's going to create more more 7065 04:36:30,879 --> 04:36:32,719 >> power. Yeah, it's going to create more 7066 04:36:32,719 --> 04:36:34,719 power. Anyways, so I'm going to that's 7067 04:36:34,719 --> 04:36:36,240 all I have on mine, but if you could 7068 04:36:36,240 --> 04:36:38,400 look at that website prior to and it 7069 04:36:38,400 --> 04:36:40,480 will be coming up, but 7070 04:36:40,480 --> 04:36:42,879 >> we'll start with Brian. Do you want to 7071 04:36:42,879 --> 04:36:43,520 start first? 7072 04:36:43,520 --> 04:36:45,840 >> Yeah. So, let's go Spanish Inquisition 7073 04:36:45,840 --> 04:36:48,000 style here. I'll go ahead and just read 7074 04:36:48,000 --> 04:36:49,279 all the meetings and if there's a 7075 04:36:49,279 --> 04:36:50,719 meeting that you're interested in, just 7076 04:36:50,719 --> 04:36:53,039 stop me if we can go through exactly 7077 04:36:53,039 --> 04:36:55,600 kind of what was discussed right there. 7078 04:36:55,600 --> 04:36:57,199 Okay. So, and I'm going to start on the 7079 04:36:57,199 --> 04:36:59,439 19th because we did have some meetings 7080 04:36:59,439 --> 04:37:02,639 in Salt Lake prior to leaving to DC. So, 7081 04:37:02,639 --> 04:37:04,480 at first we met on the 19th with 7082 04:37:04,480 --> 04:37:07,279 Representative Kennedy and uh um at that 7083 04:37:07,279 --> 04:37:08,879 meeting we talked about the uh uh 7084 04:37:08,879 --> 04:37:10,719 Colorado River drought funding that's 7085 04:37:10,719 --> 04:37:13,520 available, the upfront legislation and 7086 04:37:13,520 --> 04:37:15,119 adding the pipeline to the Crescent 7087 04:37:15,119 --> 04:37:17,760 Junction. We al also talked about Alice 7088 04:37:17,760 --> 04:37:19,600 and Farm Bill funding to find out where 7089 04:37:19,600 --> 04:37:22,000 that was at. Um later that day we met 7090 04:37:22,000 --> 04:37:24,400 with Steve Waldrip. Um and we talked 7091 04:37:24,400 --> 04:37:27,359 about the uh uh demand more uh demand 7092 04:37:27,359 --> 04:37:29,840 more supply program which was really 7093 04:37:29,840 --> 04:37:32,879 cool. Um he's got this great big post 7094 04:37:32,879 --> 04:37:35,119 report that was up of all these people 7095 04:37:35,119 --> 04:37:37,680 that had gotten houses under this 7096 04:37:37,680 --> 04:37:39,920 program and it was it was really 7097 04:37:39,920 --> 04:37:42,480 inspiring to see that right there. and 7098 04:37:42,480 --> 04:37:44,240 uh um and it just talks about the cost 7099 04:37:44,240 --> 04:37:47,359 to build a home here in Utah. Um I had a 7100 04:37:47,359 --> 04:37:48,799 meeting that day as well with the 7101 04:37:48,799 --> 04:37:51,199 Colorado River Advisory meeting um and 7102 04:37:51,199 --> 04:37:53,199 we had updates from Jean Shawcraft on 7103 04:37:53,199 --> 04:37:55,039 the negotiations and where things were 7104 04:37:55,039 --> 04:37:57,680 standing on that. Um and then we also 7105 04:37:57,680 --> 04:38:00,160 discussed the possible outcomes. Um and 7106 04:38:00,160 --> 04:38:01,920 I think I've updated most folks on kind 7107 04:38:01,920 --> 04:38:04,240 of where we're at with that. Um later 7108 04:38:04,240 --> 04:38:06,160 that day we had a meeting with uh 7109 04:38:06,160 --> 04:38:08,719 Representative Monson and we updated on 7110 04:38:08,719 --> 04:38:11,439 uh HB473 which was a bill that we were 7111 04:38:11,439 --> 04:38:14,000 working on which was uh also dealing 7112 04:38:14,000 --> 04:38:16,639 with the Colorado River Compact. Um we 7113 04:38:16,639 --> 04:38:21,439 updated him on SB 165 which is the uh um 7114 04:38:21,439 --> 04:38:23,199 the economic mobility or the 7115 04:38:23,199 --> 04:38:25,680 affordability plan which I will be 7116 04:38:25,680 --> 04:38:29,680 heading up to um Salt Lake on Wednesday. 7117 04:38:29,680 --> 04:38:32,000 So, I'll miss you guys all up 16 million 7118 04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:33,359 pounds because that is getting signed 7119 04:38:33,359 --> 04:38:35,359 into legislation. So, I'll be there when 7120 04:38:35,359 --> 04:38:37,199 that does get signed. That's it's pretty 7121 04:38:37,199 --> 04:38:40,320 exciting. Um, and then HB501, which was 7122 04:38:40,320 --> 04:38:43,039 the water modification bill right there. 7123 04:38:43,039 --> 04:38:45,840 Um, we also met with United Way on that 7124 04:38:45,840 --> 04:38:49,199 day once again supporting SB 165 with 7125 04:38:49,199 --> 04:38:51,119 Senator. 7126 04:38:51,119 --> 04:38:53,680 Um on the 21st 7127 04:38:53,680 --> 04:38:58,320 um we uh uh were at Niko and we uh um 7128 04:38:58,320 --> 04:39:00,639 the JD Clark who was the president he 7129 04:39:00,639 --> 04:39:02,561 kind of gave a big introduction and kind 7130 04:39:02,561 --> 04:39:04,080 of let everybody know what was 7131 04:39:04,080 --> 04:39:07,039 happening. Um I went to a presentation 7132 04:39:07,039 --> 04:39:09,600 that day with Tom Schultz um from the 7133 04:39:09,600 --> 04:39:11,840 Forest Service and listened to him talk. 7134 04:39:11,840 --> 04:39:14,480 Um, I listened to Bill Graphy present on 7135 04:39:14,480 --> 04:39:16,879 multiple use stewardship. And this is at 7136 04:39:16,879 --> 04:39:18,959 a uh uh this was at like a in a 7137 04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:21,439 conference style type of meetings right 7138 04:39:21,439 --> 04:39:24,561 here. Um, and then we had a a dinner 7139 04:39:24,561 --> 04:39:26,639 where uh where we were invited by 7140 04:39:26,639 --> 04:39:28,799 Representative Mallaloy to go out and 7141 04:39:28,799 --> 04:39:30,799 she was a she was a gracious host and we 7142 04:39:30,799 --> 04:39:33,840 all had a nice little Italian dinner. 7143 04:39:33,840 --> 04:39:37,039 Um, and that was the uh entire Utah uh 7144 04:39:37,039 --> 04:39:40,560 um UAC uh um representation that was up 7145 04:39:40,560 --> 04:39:43,440 there. Um, let's see here. On the 22nd, 7146 04:39:43,440 --> 04:39:45,360 I was part of the Rural Action Caucus, 7147 04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:47,600 which was another giant group meeting. 7148 04:39:47,600 --> 04:39:50,160 Um, we were met with Eric Schmidtz, and 7149 04:39:50,160 --> 04:39:52,718 he was from Mike Johnson's office, and 7150 04:39:52,718 --> 04:39:54,958 Bill Joerger, um, who talked about 7151 04:39:54,958 --> 04:39:57,520 unlocking local leadership. It was kind 7152 04:39:57,520 --> 04:39:59,200 of a cool presentation. I can get you 7153 04:39:59,200 --> 04:40:01,040 some of the handouts from that if you 7154 04:40:01,040 --> 04:40:03,840 want. And then Brienne Miller talked 7155 04:40:03,840 --> 04:40:06,160 about infrastructure and data centers 7156 04:40:06,160 --> 04:40:08,000 and kind of what's happening with that 7157 04:40:08,000 --> 04:40:12,958 around the nation. So listening to those types of things. Um 7158 04:40:12,958 --> 04:40:15,040 and then also I kind of did some more 7159 04:40:15,040 --> 04:40:17,200 research on the 2026 farm bill 7160 04:40:17,200 --> 04:40:19,120 reauthorization. That was one of the big 7161 04:40:19,120 --> 04:40:21,120 things I was up there looking for was to 7162 04:40:21,120 --> 04:40:23,680 find out if it's going to be possible 7163 04:40:23,680 --> 04:40:25,600 for that bill to actually move through 7164 04:40:25,600 --> 04:40:27,760 Congress right now. Um which we're not 7165 04:40:27,760 --> 04:40:29,440 sure if it is or not 7166 04:40:29,440 --> 04:40:31,280 >> or anything move through Congress. 7167 04:40:31,280 --> 04:40:33,200 >> It's it's tough right now. Yeah, that 7168 04:40:33,200 --> 04:40:36,638 was exactly it. Um on the 23rd uh we 7169 04:40:36,638 --> 04:40:38,560 went to the uh uh the West region 7170 04:40:38,560 --> 04:40:41,040 meeting. Uh we had Aaron Hurley. She 7171 04:40:41,040 --> 04:40:42,878 presented on federal policies and 7172 04:40:42,878 --> 04:40:46,958 updates and then John uh uh Matelska and 7173 04:40:46,958 --> 04:40:48,718 then he talked uh it was really 7174 04:40:48,718 --> 04:40:52,320 interesting uh um ADA compliance and 7175 04:40:52,320 --> 04:40:54,878 technology. And so what that was about 7176 04:40:54,878 --> 04:40:57,200 was making sure that your county 7177 04:40:57,200 --> 04:41:00,160 websites are ADA compliant um which is 7178 04:41:00,160 --> 04:41:01,600 one of the big things that we will 7179 04:41:01,600 --> 04:41:03,280 probably be seeing moving on down the 7180 04:41:03,280 --> 04:41:07,520 line. Um, we also had MueL Fuks from uh 7181 04:41:07,520 --> 04:41:10,320 um oh, I'm trying to think of his name. 7182 04:41:10,320 --> 04:41:13,200 Goss is I believe it's it's 7183 04:41:13,200 --> 04:41:15,440 representative Goss anywhere from uh 7184 04:41:15,440 --> 04:41:18,320 Cookanino County. Um she presented right 7185 04:41:18,320 --> 04:41:20,240 there and was able to make contact with 7186 04:41:20,240 --> 04:41:22,320 her and talk about, you know, some of 7187 04:41:22,320 --> 04:41:24,560 the similarities that we have basically 7188 04:41:24,560 --> 04:41:26,798 on the other side of the dam right now. 7189 04:41:26,798 --> 04:41:28,480 Um because, you know, Cookanito County 7190 04:41:28,480 --> 04:41:31,040 is uh uh is where the Grand Canyon is 7191 04:41:31,040 --> 04:41:33,280 at. So, just as we're moving through the 7192 04:41:33,280 --> 04:41:35,040 Colorado River negotiations, I think 7193 04:41:35,040 --> 04:41:37,440 it's always a good idea to make to make 7194 04:41:37,440 --> 04:41:39,600 those contacts right there with folks 7195 04:41:39,600 --> 04:41:42,400 across the way. Um, we went up and met 7196 04:41:42,400 --> 04:41:45,280 with Kevin Lily at his office and 7197 04:41:45,280 --> 04:41:48,160 discussed the ACE plan. He invited us up 7198 04:41:48,160 --> 04:41:50,240 there and then that evening we had a 7199 04:41:50,240 --> 04:41:52,240 capital tour with Representative 7200 04:41:52,240 --> 04:41:53,840 Kennedy. So, Representative Kennedy 7201 04:41:53,840 --> 04:41:56,560 invited us uh in the evening to go out 7202 04:41:56,560 --> 04:41:58,638 and go walk through the capital and it 7203 04:41:58,638 --> 04:42:01,600 was it was a great tour um to be up 7204 04:42:01,600 --> 04:42:04,878 there and kind of, you know, there was a couple of really neat 7205 04:42:04,878 --> 04:42:07,200 moments to where he took us to not just, 7206 04:42:07,200 --> 04:42:08,958 you know, not just to go see some of the 7207 04:42:08,958 --> 04:42:12,638 statues and stuff, but you know, to to hear what they meant to him. His 7208 04:42:12,638 --> 04:42:14,480 father was there, so he was a little bit 7209 04:42:14,480 --> 04:42:16,240 sentimental at the time, and it was just 7210 04:42:16,240 --> 04:42:18,000 it was a really nice little tour that we 7211 04:42:18,000 --> 04:42:21,680 did with him. Um on the 24th we met with 7212 04:42:21,680 --> 04:42:24,798 Senator Curtis's staff. Um we updated 7213 04:42:24,798 --> 04:42:26,638 them on the ACE plan. They had some 7214 04:42:26,638 --> 04:42:29,200 questions about that. Um and then also 7215 04:42:29,200 --> 04:42:31,200 HR72 7216 04:42:31,200 --> 04:42:32,958 um which is a bill that that will be 7217 04:42:32,958 --> 04:42:35,520 follow I'm hopefully we'll be following 7218 04:42:35,520 --> 04:42:38,718 as things move on which is the health 7219 04:42:38,718 --> 04:42:41,200 >> HR702 7220 04:42:41,200 --> 04:42:43,760 which deals with Alice funding. And so 7221 04:42:43,760 --> 04:42:46,560 Alice funding is asset limited income 7222 04:42:46,560 --> 04:42:49,360 constrained educated. And so what that 7223 04:42:49,360 --> 04:42:51,840 is is that's folks who basically make 7224 04:42:51,840 --> 04:42:54,958 too much money to qualify for subsidies 7225 04:42:54,958 --> 04:42:58,000 but don't make enough money to uh uh um 7226 04:42:58,000 --> 04:42:59,440 to pay their bills, 7227 04:42:59,440 --> 04:43:02,080 >> right? Yep. To survive. And if you do a 7228 04:43:02,080 --> 04:43:04,346 study or the reason that that you see so 7229 04:43:04,346 --> 04:43:06,080 [clears throat] much of this um we did a 7230 04:43:06,080 --> 04:43:08,480 study here, one out of every other 7231 04:43:08,480 --> 04:43:10,560 household in Grand County is an Alice 7232 04:43:10,560 --> 04:43:12,718 household. Right? So when we look at 7233 04:43:12,718 --> 04:43:14,638 poverty that way, we're one of the 7234 04:43:14,638 --> 04:43:17,760 highest in the nation. Um most poverty 7235 04:43:17,760 --> 04:43:20,480 is kind of off of this 302010. 7236 04:43:20,480 --> 04:43:23,120 Basically 20% of your population has 7237 04:43:23,120 --> 04:43:25,600 been under the poverty level for 30 7238 04:43:25,600 --> 04:43:27,920 years. You get 10% of all federal 7239 04:43:27,920 --> 04:43:30,718 funding. The only county in Utah that's 7240 04:43:30,718 --> 04:43:34,320 a 20 uh 203010 is San Juan County, 7241 04:43:34,320 --> 04:43:37,360 right? However, if you were to include 7242 04:43:37,360 --> 04:43:40,160 and and Grant County sits at 17%. We're 7243 04:43:40,160 --> 04:43:42,320 just right underneath that line. But 7244 04:43:42,320 --> 04:43:45,600 when you include the uh um the cost of 7245 04:43:45,600 --> 04:43:48,080 living, San Juan County drops down to 7246 04:43:48,080 --> 04:43:52,000 17% and Grand County jumps up to 34%. So 7247 04:43:52,000 --> 04:43:53,440 anyways, I've just been trying to keep 7248 04:43:53,440 --> 04:43:58,160 an eye on some of these bills that are right there at that at that 7249 04:43:58,160 --> 04:44:00,638 teetering level. Um the big conversation 7250 04:44:00,638 --> 04:44:02,080 that we're using when we're talking 7251 04:44:02,080 --> 04:44:04,320 about these is that, you know, it's 7252 04:44:04,320 --> 04:44:06,160 you're not you're not giving away money, 7253 04:44:06,160 --> 04:44:09,120 right? $10. $10 to someone who's at the 7254 04:44:09,120 --> 04:44:11,200 teetering line, right, can save you 7255 04:44:11,200 --> 04:44:13,440 hundreds or if not thousands of dollars 7256 04:44:13,440 --> 04:44:15,520 for somebody who falls in. And it's 7257 04:44:15,520 --> 04:44:16,878 incredible when you actually talk to 7258 04:44:16,878 --> 04:44:18,000 folks about this, you know, they're 7259 04:44:18,000 --> 04:44:19,680 like, "Oh, yeah. What have what if it's 7260 04:44:19,680 --> 04:44:22,480 a major a major there's a major um you 7261 04:44:22,480 --> 04:44:23,760 know, you have a major medical thing." 7262 04:44:23,760 --> 04:44:25,360 I'm like, "Major medical thing?" Like 7263 04:44:25,360 --> 04:44:26,958 we're talking about people where if you 7264 04:44:26,958 --> 04:44:28,958 lose your brakes, right, on your truck, 7265 04:44:28,958 --> 04:44:30,480 you're like, "Do I get brakes or do I 7266 04:44:30,480 --> 04:44:32,080 eat?" That's kind of the folks that 7267 04:44:32,080 --> 04:44:34,320 we're at. Um anyways, we also talked 7268 04:44:34,320 --> 04:44:37,840 about LFPA funding and then u the Green 7269 04:44:37,840 --> 04:44:41,280 River pipeline. Uh we met up later with 7270 04:44:41,280 --> 04:44:44,080 uh uh Representative Kennedy that day um 7271 04:44:44,080 --> 04:44:46,560 and we talked about grant requests for 7272 04:44:46,560 --> 04:44:49,040 uh appropriations. So with that cycle 7273 04:44:49,040 --> 04:44:51,440 right there um to put on in one of them 7274 04:44:51,440 --> 04:44:54,240 of course was for the Colorado River 7275 04:44:54,240 --> 04:44:56,160 drought funding that will be available 7276 04:44:56,160 --> 04:44:59,120 this year. So we had a chance to ask 7277 04:44:59,120 --> 04:45:01,280 some of his staff some questions. Um, 7278 04:45:01,280 --> 04:45:03,680 and then we had the UWAC co caucus 7279 04:45:03,680 --> 04:45:05,760 speaker meetings. And so this was all 7280 04:45:05,760 --> 04:45:08,080 the UWAC uh uh representation that was 7281 04:45:08,080 --> 04:45:10,320 up there. And we listened to uh 7282 04:45:10,320 --> 04:45:11,920 Representative Kennedy spoke, 7283 04:45:11,920 --> 04:45:13,680 Representative Mallaloy spoke, 7284 04:45:13,680 --> 04:45:15,360 Representative Owens spoke, 7285 04:45:15,360 --> 04:45:17,760 Representative Moore spoke, uh, Senator 7286 04:45:17,760 --> 04:45:21,120 Curtis spoke, and Senator Lee spoke. Um, 7287 04:45:21,120 --> 04:45:23,840 we met up a little bit later uh, uh, 7288 04:45:23,840 --> 04:45:26,400 with Senator Curtis himself, and then we 7289 04:45:26,400 --> 04:45:28,718 spoke about the UMPra bill and kind of 7290 04:45:28,718 --> 04:45:31,280 where we were at with that. Um, we also 7291 04:45:31,280 --> 04:45:34,878 spoke about the ACE plan and 7292 04:45:34,878 --> 04:45:37,760 then we had a meeting with uh the 7293 04:45:37,760 --> 04:45:39,840 Department of Energy over at UMP. I 7294 04:45:39,840 --> 04:45:43,920 remember we had to literally like race out of Curtis's office, jump in a 7295 04:45:43,920 --> 04:45:46,080 cab, and try to make it over there cuz, 7296 04:45:46,080 --> 04:45:47,520 you know, it takes a little while to get 7297 04:45:47,520 --> 04:45:49,360 checked in at the Department of Energy. 7298 04:45:49,360 --> 04:45:52,160 Um, when we met with Joselyn over there, 7299 04:45:52,160 --> 04:45:54,080 um, the the big thing was we were making 7300 04:45:54,080 --> 04:45:55,840 sure that funding was in place to 7301 04:45:55,840 --> 04:45:57,920 complete the project for UPMPRA with 7302 04:45:57,920 --> 04:46:00,480 everything that was going on. Um, we had 7303 04:46:00,480 --> 04:46:03,040 a little surprise visit from Tim Walsh. 7304 04:46:03,040 --> 04:46:05,520 Um, he came on in there and said hi and 7305 04:46:05,520 --> 04:46:07,440 that was that was pretty neat to to get 7306 04:46:07,440 --> 04:46:09,600 the chance to meet him. Um, you know, 7307 04:46:09,600 --> 04:46:12,160 and and his big thing is is that they're 7308 04:46:12,160 --> 04:46:14,480 committed to working with the community. 7309 04:46:14,480 --> 04:46:16,080 That was the message that he wanted to 7310 04:46:16,080 --> 04:46:19,200 kind of spread um to Grand County here. 7311 04:46:19,200 --> 04:46:20,958 Um, and then we kind of talked a little 7312 04:46:20,958 --> 04:46:22,798 bit about the assets that needed to be 7313 04:46:22,798 --> 04:46:25,200 transferred. Um, one of the things that 7314 04:46:25,200 --> 04:46:27,680 I asked about is the ride ofways and the 7315 04:46:27,680 --> 04:46:29,760 Green River pipeline when that comes 7316 04:46:29,760 --> 04:46:33,280 over. Uh, and then just kind of the idea 7317 04:46:33,280 --> 04:46:35,520 that what we're doing is we're actually 7318 04:46:35,520 --> 04:46:38,320 taking over a liability for the federal 7319 04:46:38,320 --> 04:46:40,320 government by doing this, right? Not 7320 04:46:40,320 --> 04:46:42,400 only do we want that water up there in 7321 04:46:42,400 --> 04:46:44,400 Thompson and Crescent Junction, you 7322 04:46:44,400 --> 04:46:46,000 know, but also, you know, they're going 7323 04:46:46,000 --> 04:46:48,638 to need that water up there at the uh um 7324 04:46:48,638 --> 04:46:50,798 at the Crescent Junction site anyways. 7325 04:46:50,798 --> 04:46:53,120 So allowing Grand County uh uh water 7326 04:46:53,120 --> 04:46:55,280 conservancy to be able to take that over 7327 04:46:55,280 --> 04:46:57,600 is it it does it relieves that stress of 7328 04:46:57,600 --> 04:46:58,958 them having to provide that maintenance 7329 04:46:58,958 --> 04:47:05,120 on that line. So uh uh being able to to bring that over and uh uh talk about 7330 04:47:05,120 --> 04:47:08,400 you know all of the other things that we weren't really sure of, you 7331 04:47:08,400 --> 04:47:09,760 know, like the water rights, where does 7332 04:47:09,760 --> 04:47:11,520 that sit? Does that is that included in 7333 04:47:11,520 --> 04:47:14,560 the assets when we look at that bill? Um 7334 04:47:14,560 --> 04:47:18,878 you know, the discharge permit that's involved over there at uh um at 7335 04:47:18,878 --> 04:47:21,040 UMPra down here. um all those things. 7336 04:47:21,040 --> 04:47:22,480 So, we had a chance to ask some of those 7337 04:47:22,480 --> 04:47:24,480 questions and their response basically 7338 04:47:24,480 --> 04:47:25,840 was we don't know. But it's good that 7339 04:47:25,840 --> 04:47:26,718 we're starting to have these 7340 04:47:26,718 --> 04:47:28,638 conversations because we're at that 7341 04:47:28,638 --> 04:47:30,320 point right now figuring out where we 7342 04:47:30,320 --> 04:47:31,120 are. 7343 04:47:31,120 --> 04:47:33,680 >> Um on the 25th we had breakfast. Can 7344 04:47:33,680 --> 04:47:34,400 >> I ask you a question? 7345 04:47:34,400 --> 04:47:34,798 >> Yeah. Yeah. 7346 04:47:34,798 --> 04:47:36,958 >> Did you discuss uh when they said he was 7347 04:47:36,958 --> 04:47:38,080 committed to working with the community? 7348 04:47:38,080 --> 04:47:39,440 Did you discuss the steering uh 7349 04:47:39,440 --> 04:47:40,958 committee and what they um 7350 04:47:40,958 --> 04:47:43,840 >> or the future sites? future sites and 7351 04:47:43,840 --> 04:47:46,080 what they 7352 04:47:46,080 --> 04:47:47,360 >> what their vision is 7353 04:47:47,360 --> 04:47:48,878 >> or with the DOE period 7354 04:47:48,878 --> 04:47:50,958 >> with the DOE. No, I didn't we didn't go 7355 04:47:50,958 --> 04:47:53,204 into that right there with them. 7356 04:47:53,204 --> 04:48:05,430 [clears throat] 7357 04:48:05,440 --> 04:48:07,760 » And you know, well, 7358 04:48:07,760 --> 04:48:10,160 >> that helps. No, I appreciate it. Brian, 7359 04:48:10,160 --> 04:48:12,718 >> do you want me to keep going or 7360 04:48:12,718 --> 04:48:12,958 Yeah. 7361 04:48:12,958 --> 04:48:14,718 >> Well, I keep going all night. I mean, we 7362 04:48:14,718 --> 04:48:15,040 was 7363 04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:15,840 >> I don't want to go all night. 7364 04:48:15,840 --> 04:48:17,040 >> Right. Okay. Well, it was a very 7365 04:48:17,040 --> 04:48:18,480 productive trip and we we were 7366 04:48:18,480 --> 04:48:20,718 definitely in and met with a lot of 7367 04:48:20,718 --> 04:48:21,120 folks. 7368 04:48:21,120 --> 04:48:22,718 >> Good. And that's all in your commission 7369 04:48:22,718 --> 04:48:23,200 report. 7370 04:48:23,200 --> 04:48:24,958 >> All it's all right there. So, and if you 7371 04:48:24,958 --> 04:48:26,878 ever have any questions, I mean, I do 7372 04:48:26,878 --> 04:48:28,080 have a lot of meetings and things like 7373 04:48:28,080 --> 04:48:29,440 that. If you have questions, please feel 7374 04:48:29,440 --> 04:48:31,520 free to reach out and ask me. Give me a 7375 04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:34,958 quick phone call and I'll go through the specifics on all the notes. I 7376 04:48:34,958 --> 04:48:36,878 haven't read your report, but some some 7377 04:48:36,878 --> 04:48:39,120 people's reports are just like met and 7378 04:48:39,120 --> 04:48:40,480 they don't really go over what you 7379 04:48:40,480 --> 04:48:42,798 talked about. I try to when I do my 7380 04:48:42,798 --> 04:48:45,600 reports do some fairly elaborate notes 7381 04:48:45,600 --> 04:48:47,200 like yeah, this is what was going on. 7382 04:48:47,200 --> 04:48:49,360 So it and I'm 7383 04:48:49,360 --> 04:48:50,560 just kind of conveying that to the 7384 04:48:50,560 --> 04:48:52,400 entire commission when it just says here 7385 04:48:52,400 --> 04:48:54,400 here's who I met with. That doesn't 7386 04:48:54,400 --> 04:48:58,480 convey a lot to the community. And so people just want to know, you 7387 04:48:58,480 --> 04:49:00,480 know, the these again are pressures that 7388 04:49:00,480 --> 04:49:03,200 I'm getting from my constituents, right? 7389 04:49:03,200 --> 04:49:05,040 They they want to know if we're spending 7390 04:49:05,040 --> 04:49:06,480 money and we're traveling. They want to 7391 04:49:06,480 --> 04:49:08,320 know what folks are up to. 7392 04:49:08,320 --> 04:49:10,160 >> Yeah, it's it's it's all in there. I 7393 04:49:10,160 --> 04:49:11,600 appreciate that. 7394 04:49:11,600 --> 04:49:13,120 >> Went through write the report that's 7395 04:49:13,120 --> 04:49:14,638 online. That's 7396 04:49:14,638 --> 04:49:17,840 >> exactly what I just read. So, 7397 04:49:17,840 --> 04:49:18,798 >> Bill, did you have some different 7398 04:49:18,798 --> 04:49:20,480 meetings than Brian? I know you guys 7399 04:49:20,480 --> 04:49:21,840 split up a little bit. 7400 04:49:21,840 --> 04:49:24,250 >> I'm going to take off. I'm on my bike. 7401 04:49:24,250 --> 04:49:26,160 [laughter] 7402 04:49:26,160 --> 04:49:28,480 >> So, sh but my husband gets really 7403 04:49:28,480 --> 04:49:32,080 worried. He really does. 7404 04:49:32,080 --> 04:49:34,000 Hey, get home safe. Text us when you get 7405 04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:37,670 there. 7406 04:49:37,680 --> 04:49:40,080 » We um did have some different meetings. 7407 04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:42,400 I know that Brian was in some stuff up 7408 04:49:42,400 --> 04:49:44,400 at the capital that I was not in and 7409 04:49:44,400 --> 04:49:46,798 he's mentioned most of that. Um I was 7410 04:49:46,798 --> 04:49:49,600 with Steve Walder in that meeting. Um 7411 04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:51,280 I'm pretty sure that I'm the one Trish 7412 04:49:51,280 --> 04:49:54,240 is um referring to when she says people 7413 04:49:54,240 --> 04:49:56,080 just put things with who they met in 7414 04:49:56,080 --> 04:49:58,480 there. I'm always open to anybody that 7415 04:49:58,480 --> 04:50:00,878 wants to um reach out to me. I'm glad to 7416 04:50:00,878 --> 04:50:02,798 go over what my meetings and what we 7417 04:50:02,798 --> 04:50:05,680 discussed in those meetings, but I'm not 7418 04:50:05,680 --> 04:50:08,638 going to write a dictionary for every 7419 04:50:08,638 --> 04:50:11,600 commission report that we put in here. 7420 04:50:11,600 --> 04:50:14,878 So I I will say that um the Malloy 7421 04:50:14,878 --> 04:50:17,680 dinner that we went with her was 7422 04:50:17,680 --> 04:50:19,920 extremely valuable with the connections 7423 04:50:19,920 --> 04:50:22,560 that we had there and that was with the 7424 04:50:22,560 --> 04:50:26,560 UAC group. But Mo um Representative 7425 04:50:26,560 --> 04:50:30,080 Mallaloy is part of the appropriations. 7426 04:50:30,080 --> 04:50:32,718 And so that that was extremely important 7427 04:50:32,718 --> 04:50:34,798 to make that connection with her that 7428 04:50:34,798 --> 04:50:36,000 day. That that's [clears throat] what 7429 04:50:36,000 --> 04:50:37,520 stood out with the dinner. I couldn't 7430 04:50:37,520 --> 04:50:40,160 tell you what we ate. I have no idea. 7431 04:50:40,160 --> 04:50:42,798 Um, it was Italian because Brian said I 7432 04:50:42,798 --> 04:50:44,878 wouldn't even have remembered that part. 7433 04:50:44,878 --> 04:50:47,040 >> Where was which restaurant? 7434 04:50:47,040 --> 04:50:49,680 >> I have no idea. 7435 04:50:49,680 --> 04:50:49,920 >> All right. 7436 04:50:49,920 --> 04:50:51,200 >> It was right next to it was right next 7437 04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:52,718 to the capital and it was in the 7438 04:50:52,718 --> 04:50:53,360 basement. 7439 04:50:53,360 --> 04:50:53,760 >> Okay. 7440 04:50:53,760 --> 04:50:55,120 >> And I guess it was a place that they 7441 04:50:55,120 --> 04:50:57,440 always kind of visit. 7442 04:50:57,440 --> 04:51:00,560 >> And um the Kennedy tour I thought was um 7443 04:51:00,560 --> 04:51:04,718 extremely educational for me. Um, we 7444 04:51:04,718 --> 04:51:06,400 actually got to see the crypt where 7445 04:51:06,400 --> 04:51:08,718 supposedly George Washington was planned 7446 04:51:08,718 --> 04:51:12,958 to be buried, but his wife said no. So, 7447 04:51:12,958 --> 04:51:15,040 somewhere else. So, I I do believe there 7448 04:51:15,040 --> 04:51:18,480 was one president that lied there in 7449 04:51:18,480 --> 04:51:21,120 state and that was it or something. But, 7450 04:51:21,120 --> 04:51:23,280 I thought the crypt was pretty cool. We 7451 04:51:23,280 --> 04:51:25,840 also got to go into the house where the 7452 04:51:25,840 --> 04:51:28,000 president gave his State of the Union 7453 04:51:28,000 --> 04:51:30,798 speech. Um, I will say that it's the 7454 04:51:30,798 --> 04:51:33,040 only State of the Union speech that I've 7455 04:51:33,040 --> 04:51:36,480 ever listened to, I believe. Um, I did 7456 04:51:36,480 --> 04:51:39,040 so because the very next day we had 7457 04:51:39,040 --> 04:51:41,520 meetings with both Curtis and Lee and 7458 04:51:41,520 --> 04:51:43,120 with their staff and I wanted to at 7459 04:51:43,120 --> 04:51:45,360 least say that I paid attention while I 7460 04:51:45,360 --> 04:51:49,280 was in DC. the the work that we did with 7461 04:51:49,280 --> 04:51:53,520 both Lee and Curtis mostly, as Brian has 7462 04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:55,760 already stated, 7463 04:51:55,760 --> 04:51:58,000 was all around the Umpra and the Green 7464 04:51:58,000 --> 04:52:02,240 River pipeline. The extreme 7465 04:52:02,240 --> 04:52:06,240 um need to make sure that those assets 7466 04:52:06,240 --> 04:52:07,840 get transferred over to the county. And 7467 04:52:07,840 --> 04:52:09,600 then on the Green River pipeline, the 7468 04:52:09,600 --> 04:52:13,120 rideaways and working also with the fact 7469 04:52:13,120 --> 04:52:15,280 that that Green River pipeline I believe 7470 04:52:15,280 --> 04:52:17,760 crosses the railroad three times is 7471 04:52:17,760 --> 04:52:19,680 extremely important that we get those 7472 04:52:19,680 --> 04:52:22,240 easements moving forward in the future 7473 04:52:22,240 --> 04:52:25,440 and that we don't have to recreate that. 7474 04:52:25,440 --> 04:52:28,718 Uh what else was there? I know Brian 7475 04:52:28,718 --> 04:52:30,638 touched on the majority of everything 7476 04:52:30,638 --> 04:52:32,638 that we did. I will say that we had one 7477 04:52:32,638 --> 04:52:36,560 of the meetings at the NAO conference 7478 04:52:36,560 --> 04:52:41,040 that had every supposedly entity in DC 7479 04:52:41,040 --> 04:52:43,360 there and we were able to go around 7480 04:52:43,360 --> 04:52:45,920 although it was quite crowded and visit 7481 04:52:45,920 --> 04:52:49,280 BLM, the Forest Service and and get a 7482 04:52:49,280 --> 04:52:51,200 little bit of education from every one 7483 04:52:51,200 --> 04:52:54,240 of those. Um I forget the name of the 7484 04:52:54,240 --> 04:52:56,718 head of the Forest Service. He spoke at 7485 04:52:56,718 --> 04:53:00,320 one of the meetings. Schultz, I believe 7486 04:53:00,320 --> 04:53:01,440 was his name, 7487 04:53:01,440 --> 04:53:03,280 >> who's the head of our forest service. 7488 04:53:03,280 --> 04:53:05,680 So, um, he had a very good presentation 7489 04:53:05,680 --> 04:53:07,920 and opened up dialogue 7490 04:53:07,920 --> 04:53:11,040 >> and I stood up. I think maybe half a 7491 04:53:11,040 --> 04:53:12,480 dozen people stood up and asked 7492 04:53:12,480 --> 04:53:14,480 questions. Mine was about forest 7493 04:53:14,480 --> 04:53:18,160 management, especially surrounding 7494 04:53:18,160 --> 04:53:20,160 the fact that we'd had the huge fire, 7495 04:53:20,160 --> 04:53:22,480 which wasn't in Grand County, but our 7496 04:53:22,480 --> 04:53:25,040 mountain range, as I like to refer to 7497 04:53:25,040 --> 04:53:28,320 the Lasals. Um so just forest management 7498 04:53:28,320 --> 04:53:30,240 was the discussion and the questions I 7499 04:53:30,240 --> 04:53:32,000 had for him and what the plans were of 7500 04:53:32,000 --> 04:53:35,920 the future because our forest um in my 7501 04:53:35,920 --> 04:53:38,480 mind is undermanaged and that's a big 7502 04:53:38,480 --> 04:53:40,160 part of the problem. We have so much 7503 04:53:40,160 --> 04:53:43,200 standing dead up there. 7504 04:53:43,200 --> 04:53:47,520 Oh let's see here. The Utah caucus was 7505 04:53:47,520 --> 04:53:50,560 extremely good. Every single person that 7506 04:53:50,560 --> 04:53:52,480 represent state of Utah spoke there. 7507 04:53:52,480 --> 04:53:55,680 Brian already mentioned that I had never 7508 04:53:55,680 --> 04:54:00,000 um met Burgess Owens and the other what 7509 04:54:00,000 --> 04:54:01,600 was the young gentleman 7510 04:54:01,600 --> 04:54:04,160 >> Blake Moore had never met him. So super 7511 04:54:04,160 --> 04:54:04,958 nice guy. 7512 04:54:04,958 --> 04:54:07,840 >> Both had um a lot of information. They 7513 04:54:07,840 --> 04:54:09,920 all kind of come at it at different 7514 04:54:09,920 --> 04:54:12,638 directions. I think Lee is also part of 7515 04:54:12,638 --> 04:54:14,160 appropriations. 7516 04:54:14,160 --> 04:54:17,520 Curtis is over a different portion. Um 7517 04:54:17,520 --> 04:54:20,240 it was just all very educational. It was 7518 04:54:20,240 --> 04:54:25,040 probably the biggest civic education in 7519 04:54:25,040 --> 04:54:26,798 how our government works that I've ever 7520 04:54:26,798 --> 04:54:30,080 been involved in. And I know that I went 7521 04:54:30,080 --> 04:54:31,840 through most of my history and social 7522 04:54:31,840 --> 04:54:34,722 studies classes here in Moab, but 7523 04:54:34,722 --> 04:54:35,360 [laughter] 7524 04:54:35,360 --> 04:54:38,240 Washington DC was a huge education. And 7525 04:54:38,240 --> 04:54:42,798 then being able to get underground was 7526 04:54:42,798 --> 04:54:44,560 pretty interesting because then you 7527 04:54:44,560 --> 04:54:46,560 could go from one the Senate to the 7528 04:54:46,560 --> 04:54:48,480 House. You never even see daylight 7529 04:54:48,480 --> 04:54:50,160 really. I mean, kind of when you come up 7530 04:54:50,160 --> 04:54:53,120 out of the tunnels, but 7531 04:54:53,120 --> 04:54:55,840 I I I learned a lot in DC and I I think 7532 04:54:55,840 --> 04:54:57,840 that we did a good job of representing 7533 04:54:57,840 --> 04:54:59,680 our county while we were there and some 7534 04:54:59,680 --> 04:55:01,440 of the issues that we're facing here in 7535 04:55:01,440 --> 04:55:03,680 the future. The the mobility and the 7536 04:55:03,680 --> 04:55:05,440 farm bill was some of the biggest stuff 7537 04:55:05,440 --> 04:55:07,360 that we spent, I would say, the most 7538 04:55:07,360 --> 04:55:09,680 time on of anything. And if I want to 7539 04:55:09,680 --> 04:55:11,200 say 7540 04:55:11,200 --> 04:55:13,600 um his name was Connor with um 7541 04:55:13,600 --> 04:55:16,160 Representative Kennedy who was probably 7542 04:55:16,160 --> 04:55:18,400 helping us the most. And I I would say 7543 04:55:18,400 --> 04:55:20,320 we met with him three or four times 7544 04:55:20,320 --> 04:55:21,840 regarding 7545 04:55:21,840 --> 04:55:27,760 the farm bill. Um as well as 7546 04:55:27,760 --> 04:55:29,920 Justin and I can't remember the lady's 7547 04:55:29,920 --> 04:55:32,878 name that we met with also. We spoke and 7548 04:55:32,878 --> 04:55:35,440 discussed the farm bill with her with 7549 04:55:35,440 --> 04:55:37,840 the two of them. Justin, I don't 7550 04:55:37,840 --> 04:55:40,240 remember his last name. I've got it at 7551 04:55:40,240 --> 04:55:44,080 his business card. But um I think that 7552 04:55:44,080 --> 04:55:45,680 we accomplished a lot while we were 7553 04:55:45,680 --> 04:55:46,878 there. 7554 04:55:46,878 --> 04:55:48,798 Okay, I thank you. I really appreciate 7555 04:55:48,798 --> 04:55:50,160 that. 7556 04:55:50,160 --> 04:55:50,798 >> You got it. 7557 04:55:50,798 --> 04:55:51,920 >> One of one of the things that always 7558 04:55:51,920 --> 04:55:53,760 strikes me when I go back there is just 7559 04:55:53,760 --> 04:55:56,560 how young all the people are. The 7560 04:55:56,560 --> 04:55:59,200 staffers are like kids. Everybody's 7561 04:55:59,200 --> 04:56:01,760 young. Really important jobs. Some of 7562 04:56:01,760 --> 04:56:03,200 them you don't think they're out of high 7563 04:56:03,200 --> 04:56:06,958 school, but that might be because of my 7564 04:56:06,958 --> 04:56:08,560 >> Okay. Thank you. So, we're going to 7565 04:56:08,560 --> 04:56:12,000 adjourn this meeting on April 7th at 7566 04:56:12,000 --> 04:56:13,680 8:57 7567 04:56:13,680 --> 04:56:16,160 p.m.