1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,000 Sorry, now we're live. There we go. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,960 >> Okay. Call the meeting to order. Sample 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,120 stewardship committee meeting today, 4 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:13,599 March 19th at 3:04 p.m. In the room, we 5 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:15,519 have a full house from the stewardship 6 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:17,760 committee. We have Molly Taylor, Mike 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Keelso, Mark Pope, and Tom Dylan. We 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,240 have a new employee, Matt Milan, joining 9 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,279 us today. And then we have Melody 10 00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:29,920 McCandless who is the um liaison from 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,920 the Grand County Commission and we have 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Jennifer Jones from the BLM and myself 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,879 Andrea Brand director and Matt Olding is 14 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:41,680 with us via Zoom. 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Okay. So the first order of business is 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,869 approval of the minutes. 17 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:52,079 Let me uh bring 18 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,480 >> Can I don't know if people get a chance 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,760 to review them. 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,120 >> Yeah, 21 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,960 >> I motion to approve. 22 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,559 >> Okay, Tom makes a motion. 23 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:02,160 >> I second. 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,350 >> Molly seconds. Any discussion? 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,200 Okay, 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,159 go ahead. All in favor? 27 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,640 >> All right, that is unanimously. 28 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,119 >> I don't 29 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:18,479 She does. You go. I go. 30 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:22,640 >> I need a vote. I got I don't fall. 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,640 >> Okay. 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,680 >> All right. Um, so the next is the 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,159 financial information. We'll get into 34 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:34,720 that. Whoops. Let's shut that off. 35 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,119 >> So, 36 00:01:35,119 --> 00:01:37,040 >> okay. So, you the balance sheet for 37 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,560 2025. Is that 38 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,310 >> No, I want the one with the graph. 39 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:45,520 » I'm holding it up. 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:52,230 >> I got it. Okay, here we go. 41 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,280 » Okay. So, 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:03,109 and actually No, that's fine. Have that. 43 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:06,079 » Do you have it up yet? We don't see it 44 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:06,640 yet. 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,720 >> Oh, you don't? Oh, sorry. Let me 46 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,800 share again. Uh, share 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,080 screen. Screen one. 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,680 Can you see it now? 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,000 >> No. 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,360 it's blank. 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,760 >> Blank. 52 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,040 >> Okay. 53 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,400 >> Did it come up? 54 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,480 >> Yeah, it came up. If people need another 55 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,160 one, I have them here because it's not 56 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,000 very big on there. 57 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,519 >> How's that? Is that better? 58 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:34,160 >> Is there? 59 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,959 >> That's great. 60 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:39,200 >> Okay. So, um, we finished out on here. 61 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,560 you will see 8 80 85,644 62 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,680 for end of year 2025. 63 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,440 You don't have to switch, Matt. But if 64 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,440 you look at your um December 31st 65 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,239 um end of year, you know, balance 66 00:02:56,239 --> 00:03:00,949 sheets, the second page, 67 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:05,280 the re they are the clerk's office, they 68 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,030 showing 817,787. 69 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,599 So, the reason they're showing uh more 70 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,640 is because I don't have the expense 71 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,760 reimbursements shown on this remitt 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,319 sheet. Um that was for selling the um 73 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,760 floor or floor of the Moab greater Moab 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,239 landscape books. So, that's where that 75 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:32,799 reimbursement is. And um that's part of 76 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:35,360 the difference. What was my other 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,480 difference? Oh, also they don't they 78 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,680 have more showing for rec.gov than I do. 79 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,519 So, I'm not sure why they're always a 80 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:48,799 little bit different, but um it depends 81 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:51,920 on where it comes in and they might be 82 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,680 look it doesn't come in exactly at the 83 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,280 end of a month. So, it kind of depends 84 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,920 how you interpret it, but um it always 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,519 balances out. So anyway, I have 62,820 86 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:05,120 and they have 60 69,000. 87 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Yeah. 560. So um that's and there's 88 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 still a difference of 1900. I'm not 89 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,280 really sure um why they're showing 1900 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,000 more, but um I will dive into that with 91 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,440 them. But anyway, it's an it's over. But 92 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,040 um 93 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,160 so and then for 2026 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,440 um so far the first two months I'm sorry 95 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,040 I had to write it in there 44,726 96 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,639 $726 97 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:37,759 and that is 4% up compared to last year 98 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,160 at this time. 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 So that's nice. We also the fees raised 100 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,520 were 101 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,840 >> the fees were raised. Okay. So I did not 102 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:47,280 pull out You're right. Thank you for 103 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,360 pointing that out. Uh although we just 104 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,880 really only had the month of February, 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,479 people were camping kind of like the 106 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:54,400 last two weeks or so. We didn't have 107 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,840 that many camping yet. Um now they are 108 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:01,680 for sure. Um okay. And then if we go and 109 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,800 Matt, you can go to the 110 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,880 uh April balance sheet from the screen 111 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,550 if you want. 112 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,199 » Yes. And I've sent you in the email. 113 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:16,960 Don't even bother with the first page 114 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,240 because it is until after the audit. But 115 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,919 I will say that we are, if you look at 116 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:25,360 the December one we were just looking 117 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:31,120 at, we have 615,000 in our fund balance 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,520 in the combined 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,320 cash fund. 120 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,240 So 121 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,120 out of cash. 122 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,039 >> Yeah. Well, let's save it up for that 123 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:43,680 road, right? We have to put in some 124 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,880 money. 125 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,199 Um, okay. So, the April one, if you 126 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:49,440 could just go. 127 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,199 Oh, I can show you this one. Let's see. 128 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,680 Um, yeah, the fees online are accurate 129 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,080 and the fees there that they show 51,427 130 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,320 at the top of page two. Those are those 131 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,639 are correct with what I'm, you know, 132 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,960 clerk's office and us. And then if you 133 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,639 go to the last page, Matt, um 134 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,199 everything's really um in line with what 135 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:14,960 we expect. At this time of year, if you 136 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,960 look at percentages, the only thing 137 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,639 that's a little up is vehicle 138 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:21,120 maintenance. And that's because we had 139 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,080 to get a new turbo for the SF-150 that 140 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,440 we have. That's 2017. We own that one. 141 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,759 And um 142 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,400 oh, uniforms is 70% and that's because I 143 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,280 gave everybody their uniform checks just 144 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,840 a little while ago. And um yeah, those 145 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:39,120 are the only things that are I mean, 146 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,840 still within line, of course, but 147 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:43,440 stop a little bit. 148 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,840 Yeah, just look at there any questions 149 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:54,070 about anything on there? 150 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,000 » Okay, moving along. So, um Mark, Matt, 151 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,759 could you get the PowerPoint up, please? 152 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:05,840 Uh Mark Mark will have pictures. 153 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:14,710 >> Yep. Hold on here. 154 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,230 that 155 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,240 is where high baking. Is that where 156 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,199 we're at? 157 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:23,840 >> Yes, Matt. Let's uh start with that one. 158 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,000 The the next four slides are u are all 159 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,599 in sand flat. So, I'll talk to those 160 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:32,479 about those first. Um so I have been 161 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:34,240 concerned for quite a while about high 162 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 banking in the sandy sandy areas 163 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,360 primarily on fence and um what I would 164 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,639 like to do is to for this committee to 165 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,440 make a a recommendation to do something 166 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,759 about it. Um so the next four slides are 167 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:55,199 all taken on the north side of fence. 168 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:56,879 Slow down Matt. Let's let's stay on the 169 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,280 first one first. on the north side of 170 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,800 fence, right after you leave Santa Claus 171 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,919 Road, you go through a cattle gate and 172 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:06,479 then this is immediately after the 173 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:08,639 cattle gate. So this particular picture 174 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:11,120 was taken right after a rainstorm and 175 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,160 the very first vehicle that entered the 176 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,080 trail drove off the trail 177 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,469 >> me. 178 00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:22,400 I wonder if they consider it like skiing 179 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,680 fresh. 180 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,400 >> It is. It is. So I get got ahead just a 181 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,000 little bit. So the reason the reason I'm 182 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,599 concerned about high banking is several 183 00:08:31,599 --> 00:08:33,279 reasons. One, it's I think it's very 184 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,719 unsightly. Secondly, it promotes 185 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:39,440 irresponsible recreation. It encourages 186 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,519 people to drive off of the trail. I 187 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:43,919 think there's a safety issue involved. I 188 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:45,360 know I have been out there on more than 189 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,959 one occasion where there's a sideby-side 190 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:48,399 link on it side because they were going 191 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,959 too fast and I bank and flopped over. 192 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:53,279 And if we don't do anything, it's only 193 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:54,640 going to get worse. it's going to 194 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,880 continue to widen the trails. So, the 195 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,839 next three slides are in sequence. Um, 196 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:02,080 so this this one you can see that the 197 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,480 high bank is still somewhat within the 198 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,120 main line of the trail. Uh, the next 199 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,200 slide, Matt, is just downstream of that. 200 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,399 And the high bank in this case is 100% 201 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:16,560 off of the line of the trail. And in 202 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,320 this particular case, you had some rocks 203 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,240 that sort of encouraged people to try to 204 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,399 drive around the rocks. And now people 205 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:24,959 are are leaving the trail completely to 206 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:27,120 drive up on the bank. And it's hard to 207 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,480 see in this picture, but the next two 208 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,399 will show as you look downstream. 209 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:32,240 Thanks, Matt. That's that's the main 210 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,080 line right there with the rocks. You 211 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 can't you can't really see, but the next 212 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,320 couple slides are immediately downstream 213 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,839 of that where the banks are not as high, 214 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:43,680 but people are now weaving in, weaving 215 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:45,519 out, and they're starting to form. So, 216 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:47,519 this is on the left side, and the next 217 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:51,279 one down, Matt, is on the right side. 218 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:52,880 You can see it. Look in the foreground 219 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,279 of that one. Um 220 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,120 >> you can go back to the one you were just 221 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:57,680 on, Matt. 222 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,200 >> Yeah. So these things are sequential. So 223 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,720 in the foreground of this one on the 224 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,240 right hand side, you can see a small 225 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,399 bank that's forming. And then the next 226 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,680 slide is up close. So these are right 227 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,160 after one right after another where the 228 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,680 first one, you know, people are are 229 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,120 banking. The second one they've left the 230 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,279 trail completely. And then the next two 231 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:17,760 slides you can see where they're 232 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,279 beginning to bank left and right. the 233 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:22,560 trails getting wider and wider. Um, so 234 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:24,880 stop there for a second, Matt, because 235 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,040 uh I want to don't want to get ahead of 236 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,600 myself. Um, 237 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 the thing is about whatever we do 238 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,959 doesn't have to be done everywhere and 239 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:37,760 it doesn't have to be done all at once. 240 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,720 We just need it begins with the resolve 241 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,839 to do something and that's us. We have 242 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:45,120 to make a decision that we're either 243 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,640 going to do something or not and then 244 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 the devil's in the details. Um what I 245 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,959 wanted to show you in the next couple 246 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:53,440 slides is something that 247 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,440 uh shows that there is hope. There's 248 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,160 actually solutions that are sustainable. 249 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,959 So this particular picture is out on the 250 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:03,680 3D trail and I was out hiking on it once 251 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:11,440 and I noticed that what it is. It's a fairly short wash that goes from 252 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,959 as you approach from this side, it goes 253 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:16,720 from west to east. And the the u the 254 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,399 juniper tree on the right was had 255 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,600 already been destroyed and I could tell 256 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,279 it got more and more traffic that it was 257 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:25,120 people are going to start speeding 258 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,600 through there. So Matt, if you continue 259 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,920 the next slide, um this is what I did. 260 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,200 It's kind of hard to see if you in in 261 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,480 the next couple of slides will be easier 262 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,160 to see. If you look all the way dead 263 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,000 center in the back, you can see where I 264 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,760 chopped down a little bit. I tried to 265 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,399 square the the bank, which is kind of 266 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,240 academic because it doesn't last long. 267 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,079 But yeah, what you can see right on the 268 00:11:50,079 --> 00:11:53,920 edge of the bank is I put in a couple of 269 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,480 wooden posts. 270 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Um you can see them 271 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,120 in the very back of that slide. 272 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,000 >> The next slide has 273 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,920 >> and then the next slide. So what you're 274 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,000 doing is you're looking east from there. 275 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,160 So this is the west side and you can see 276 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,839 the two posts on the right hand side 277 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:14,560 next to the dead tree. Um like I said 278 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,880 the trying to carve in I was trying to 279 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,360 square off the roaded and that doesn't 280 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,040 last long. It really isn't important at 281 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,120 all. The key is those two little posts 282 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,079 on the right as you enter those posts 283 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,440 are right in front of you right up on 284 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,680 top of the bank. And then Matt go to the 285 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:33,350 next slide. 286 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,639 Okay. So, what I did, I should mention 287 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,120 this this previous two pictures that I I 288 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,320 just showed you were taken in March of 289 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,920 2023. 290 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,680 That's when I when I went out there and 291 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,959 did that work. This picture is the west 292 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:54,470 side taken in February of 2026. 293 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,839 There's really no change. And if you go 294 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:57,040 to the following slide, you're looking 295 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,800 at the east side. So, those are the two 296 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,160 posts that were in the background 297 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,120 before. Those posts were put up in March 298 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,920 of 2023 and they're still there in 299 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,320 February of 2026. Now, I have to let you 300 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,399 in on a secret, and I know this is being 301 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:12,880 filmed, but when I went out there to do 302 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,279 that, I had no materials to work with. I 303 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:19,440 had two 8 foot long bucking rail rails. 304 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,800 I cut them in half. Those posts are 4T 305 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,440 long in total. They're sitting in the 306 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,600 sand maybe a foot to to 16 in. anybody 307 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,800 in this room could walk out there and 308 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,120 knock them with one hand and they're 309 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,360 still there three years later because 310 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,200 for some reason reason people just don't 311 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,079 want to drive their vehicle post 312 00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:41,839 >> for some reason. 313 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:46,480 >> So um what I believe we should do the 314 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,720 proper course of action I think is to 315 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,480 ask the motorized trail committee for 316 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,560 recommendations to deal with high 317 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,720 banking. when they give us their 318 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,639 recommendations, we can either accept 319 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,639 one of theirs or adopt our own. Um, but 320 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,720 as I said earlier, it begins with a 321 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,639 decision for this for this group that we 322 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,360 want to do something about it. And if we 323 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,040 commit to do that, then we can work on 324 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,199 the details about how to implement. 325 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:13,120 >> And could I just give a little 326 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,160 background from Samot's uh side of 327 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,720 things? Uh, so I don't know, this was a 328 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,279 while ago, maybe a decade ago, and I had 329 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,519 the road department go in from the Fox 330 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:26,240 campground, and I had them cut down all 331 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,320 those high embankments that were there. 332 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,560 And then we put some signs up. We did 333 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,199 not do this, but we put signs up, and 334 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:35,040 within three month months, two and a 335 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,120 half months, it was all high banking 336 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,880 again. And so we can't, you know, I was 337 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,240 using that part that was really 338 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,760 accessible for the road department. 339 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,440 they're not going to go out further on 340 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,720 the trail, but we were trying to see 341 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,040 will it work. And then we also had put 342 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,639 some Tposts in a few places or fencing, 343 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:55,040 but it makes you really nervous because 344 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,040 people could get hurt, damage their 345 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,199 vehicles, whatever going up on that. And 346 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:02,560 so this basic simple idea of putting 347 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,920 these wooden posts in, I'm all for it. I 348 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,279 think it's I think it's great. 349 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:08,880 >> Well, and for the amount of time it's 350 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,800 been there, they're still up. 351 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,600 >> Yeah. Now, how popular is that? and 352 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,800 knocks it down to pin it back up and 353 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,959 back into place. But it gives them 354 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:20,800 something to look at and say, "Oh, I 355 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,240 need 356 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,480 >> Yeah, 3D is not as nearly as heavily 357 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,199 used." But the concept still works. And 358 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:29,040 if I had more, I probably would have put 359 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,480 more posts in, 360 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,839 >> but it's kind of good that I was limited 361 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:33,920 because you really only have to stop 362 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,399 people at the entrances and the exits. 363 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,639 You don't have to line the whole bank. 364 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,040 You just like the the the one slide I 365 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,560 showed where they they had completely 366 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,279 left the trail. If you simply put two 367 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,040 posts 368 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,120 parallel to the trail, off off of the 369 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,440 trail, but parallel to the trail, it 370 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,880 effectively prevents people from making 371 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,480 a left turn into the bank. 372 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:54,800 >> Yeah. 373 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,720 >> And for what we do, I would recommend 374 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,800 probably six to eight inch posts and put 375 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,240 them, you know, three or four feet into 376 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,399 the ground. and and and it's sort of 377 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:04,639 like the post and cable, but I like not 378 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,360 having cable because when you have cable 379 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,040 and one post goes down, it pulls the 380 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,639 others down and there's no reason for 381 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:11,120 cable. 382 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,560 >> I have more chance for people to get 383 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,320 hurt and people don't see it. 384 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,279 >> I'm sorry, Molly. 385 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:16,880 >> Oh, no. I just have a question. I 386 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,399 apologize for not understanding the 387 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:20,880 sequence of whatever. What? Why is this 388 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,560 even in front of the board instead of 389 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,000 just like a trail maintenance thing 390 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,279 within staff or 391 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:27,759 >> Well, Mark wanted to bring it to the 392 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,600 board, but yeah, we could just start 393 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,519 doing it, but we want to have buy in 394 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:33,199 from motorized trail committee and Red 395 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:34,800 Rock four-wheelers and all that. So, 396 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,079 >> okay. No, I just start doing it. 397 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:39,519 >> You'd be right. I just thought the right 398 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:41,839 thing to do is 399 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:45,040 I was just trying to 400 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,240 fact that they're still there. Of 401 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,040 course, like you say, 3D isn't nearly as 402 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,720 much used, but they're still there, and 403 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,959 they're just a foot or 18 inches in, and 404 00:16:56,959 --> 00:17:00,000 if they do get knocked down, it's not 405 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,399 going to get tangled up and damage a 406 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:07,120 vehicle or a person. And it's easy to 407 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,439 repair if they get knocked in because 408 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:10,880 they're not going to get broken. I don't 409 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,720 think if it's a 6 inch diameter post, 410 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,600 >> you know, you're back far enough that 411 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,679 when they come around, they're not right 412 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:20,640 on it. 413 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,439 >> Right. Right. 414 00:17:21,439 --> 00:17:24,319 >> So, when they come around and say, "Oh, 415 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,319 I see it." And and tells you to move. 416 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,240 The only ones are going to say, "Oh, 417 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,400 look at that. Let's go and hit it." 418 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,200 You're going to have that 419 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,440 >> type. 420 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,120 I think it'd be good to acknowledge the 421 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,039 types of wheelers that are using things 422 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,200 versus 3D. I I have a Bronco and I would 423 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,799 prefer to go to 3D just based upon the 424 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:44,559 volume. We have more people in sideby 425 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:46,160 sides looking to go fast or like stream 426 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,120 to the rush. 427 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,039 >> So, how do we know they aren't going to 428 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:50,799 just schmuck these things right away? 429 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:53,280 >> Yeah, you don't. This is it. You don't 430 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,799 have to put it everywhere all at once. 431 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,640 You can try it as as a test. Like this 432 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,480 section where I took the first four 433 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,880 photographs, you've got four banks in a 434 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:01,440 row. 435 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,200 >> Let's just limit it to that. 436 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,960 >> My concern is visibility. They're still 437 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,039 they blend really well. Is there a way 438 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:08,720 that we can 439 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,280 >> Oh, go ahead. I have another idea is 440 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,919 that um I don't have it here with me. We 441 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:16,720 have five of them in the shed and um I 442 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,760 think I showed them to you at one of the 443 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,039 meetings, but anyway, they're these 444 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,400 white posts that are used on the highway 445 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,320 and they're light carsonites, but 446 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,440 they're a lot more expensive. They're 447 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,160 about 50 bucks a piece and um they're 448 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,080 reflective and they're white and I got 449 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,200 them to put it at a Falcon parking lot 450 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,200 to protect the tree and I have one in 451 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,880 the bee campground to protect a tree and 452 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,039 they seem to be working really well. 453 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,840 That could maybe be another thing or 454 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,760 definitely having reflectors on the wood 455 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,160 post or have those white ones. Do we 456 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,590 start do we start with white 457 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,710 please 458 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,120 not quite as 459 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,600 >> yeah I have something to some input from 460 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,760 me and I was just out there yesterday 461 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,480 with um the other Matt M2 or M1 I can't 462 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,679 remember what we're calling each other 463 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:11,039 but but you know so Mark on the on the 464 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,919 photo that I have up you know one of the 465 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:15,840 reasons that I I don't know If everybody 466 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,160 knows this, why that section of the 467 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,840 trailer, and there's many sections like 468 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,080 this, why is it getting so much wider? 469 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,679 Is it really because they want a high 470 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:26,320 bank? It it is not. Is because they just 471 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 don't want to go through the bumpy rocky 472 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,039 area where they're supposed to go. And 473 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:33,440 so people people go around those 474 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,840 sections and they create it wider and wider and plus two get more 475 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 high banks out of it. And you're right, 476 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,760 >> because people just don't want to go 477 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,360 over the rocks. They want to go faster 478 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,280 and they want to go around them. And 479 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,640 it's just like, no, stay in the middle 480 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,760 of the trail. That's where you're 481 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,799 supposed to stay. 482 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:50,799 >> Well, that's exactly the problem, Matt, 483 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,880 is that people are going to try to drive 484 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,559 around the rocks, but they should not. 485 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:56,240 So, how do you discourage them from 486 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,200 doing that? So, 487 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,840 >> correct. 488 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,760 >> If you had some posts on the right hand 489 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,679 side where you cannot drive away from 490 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:03,440 the rocks, you have to slow down and 491 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,799 drive over the rocks. 492 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:05,520 >> Yeah. 493 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,360 If you don't do anything, 494 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,559 >> people are going to continue to drive 495 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:09,520 off to the right. 496 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,039 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's just, you know, 497 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,520 people ask me, you know, how's the 498 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,600 trails up at Sands Flats? And, you know, 499 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,880 over the years, I've been working up 500 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,200 here. You know, the the trails, people 501 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,200 aren't creating new trails, but the 502 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,039 existing trails are definitely getting 503 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,600 deeper and wider, you know, because of 504 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080 more traffic use. And people get they 505 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,679 don't want to drive over these rocks. 506 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,679 They just want to go fast, you know, 507 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:34,400 around round them and stuff. So, yeah. 508 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,640 So I do agree Mark you know putting some 509 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,919 type of post you know that you know make 510 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:42,559 people you know force them to go in the 511 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,960 direction where the trail should is you 512 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,360 know that's what we should be doing. 513 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,919 Yeah, even just a couple posts, right? 514 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:52,320 Space them out five feet so you're you 515 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,640 simply cannot 516 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:55,520 drive around them. 517 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,919 >> I'd want to put reflectors on them too 518 00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:00,000 because we have a lot of night you you 519 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 know 520 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,270 you have not just high speed 521 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:07,760 what 522 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,919 >> the cost 523 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:12,080 >> it's not that expensive. Oh, no. 524 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,080 >> Could even be 4x4s with some reflective 525 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,440 taper on the top. Just 526 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,880 >> some of it's challenging, man. If you 527 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,280 scroll down to the second picture, the 528 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,280 one where the high bank is completely 529 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,679 off of the trail keeps going down. 530 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:26,559 Correct direction. Oh, nope. 531 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,080 >> Did I had nine? 532 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,840 >> There were nine, but maybe in a 533 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,720 different sequence. 534 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,840 >> I tried to 535 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,720 >> um 536 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,240 >> or this one. 537 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,720 >> Yeah. No, the the one you just had 538 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,919 previously. 539 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,000 >> Okay. That one right here. 540 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,320 >> Yeah. Now, that one, the perspective is 541 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,679 different because I've actually walked 542 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,039 off the trail a little bit to take the 543 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:51,600 picture. The below the sand is rock. 544 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,520 So, the solution will still would still 545 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,480 work, but you can't just dig a hole in 546 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,080 sand. You're going to have to augur into 547 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,080 rock to put something in there. 548 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,840 >> Um, I mean, you could you could put 549 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,640 something in the bank and that would be 550 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,480 fine. In a case like this, what I would 551 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,159 like to see is to actually have your 552 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,919 backho person try to bring some of that 553 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:13,440 sand forward and and recover the trail 554 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,960 and remove the high bank, 555 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,440 >> right? 556 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,159 >> Um, 557 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,960 >> we could maybe with the mini X with Mini 558 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,679 X. 559 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:21,360 >> Yeah. So, in a case like this, simply 560 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,600 having two posts in the foreground and 561 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,159 two posts in the background 562 00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:28,799 and then just try to bring that, you 563 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,799 know, bring the sand forward again, 564 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:32,720 you're basically forcing people to stay 565 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,559 on the rocks. 566 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,480 Well, and we only going off the rocks 567 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,880 because they want to go fast. I mean, 568 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,120 those machines go over I know. I'm like 569 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,640 so guilty right here. 570 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,080 >> We do have speed. 571 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,919 >> The speed limit is 15. 572 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:49,039 >> It's not amusement. 573 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,360 >> Well, the speed limit is 15. Remember it 574 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,919 used on other BLM back country roads is 575 00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:56,480 25 and then I 576 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,120 >> the other one. 577 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,200 >> Oh, really? Okay. Well, anyway, I got it 578 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,280 changed to 20 with the sheriff and then 579 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,360 we got changed to 15 posted. Yeah, that 580 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:04,240 is correct. 581 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,960 >> So you can 582 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,830 >> and I don't ride like that the places 583 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,679 go to sand. 584 00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:15,039 >> I don't want to tell you that we Okay, 585 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,679 we have to do the post. I I what I my 586 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,600 objective is for us to commit to doing 587 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,159 something. 588 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:21,520 >> I think the post would stop being 589 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,960 someone that's driven like that. I think 590 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,159 that the post would definitely I'm not 591 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,320 going to run my machine into posts and 592 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,159 you're definitely going fast when you 593 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:29,600 hit those spots. So you're really not 594 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,360 going to the reflector things though 595 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,720 that I concern that you just turn right 596 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,000 those right over because you wouldn't 597 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,880 necessarily care. 598 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,640 >> Well I mean the post need to have 599 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,520 reflectors on them too. 600 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,760 >> Yeah reflectors but yeah as long as but 601 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,840 they can't be those flexible things that 602 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,120 are all over BLM land that you can car 603 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,720 >> heavier duty than cares. 604 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,799 >> I can see people run their tires 605 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,480 like 606 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,360 >> Oh right. 607 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,520 >> Oh now you've just given 20 million 608 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,039 people. 609 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:03,600 the big club and definitely 610 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840 >> it's 20 million, right? 611 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,559 >> Watch this. 612 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,200 >> Watch our sand. 613 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,559 >> My my one thought about the white 614 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,240 reflectors is I don't know if they would 615 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,200 be indicative of whether or not this 616 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,960 solution would work because I think 617 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,880 people would be inclined to try 618 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,039 the post was 619 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:23,440 on 620 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,440 >> when you put rebar behind them. They 621 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,559 still do it. 622 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,600 >> Yeah. Well, an experiment. Like we go 623 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,120 into this fully knowing it's an 624 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,159 experiment, right? 625 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,240 >> We're doing our due diligence to make it 626 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,640 reflective and highly visible 627 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,039 >> even though it's not available for my 628 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,039 use. 629 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:41,919 >> Yeah. 630 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,039 >> I would like to try 631 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:44,480 >> you want to make sure people break the 632 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,679 law. 633 00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:48,000 >> Yeah. 634 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 >> Does it need to be one more sign at the 635 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,760 start of the trailer that says we 636 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,559 discourage high banking? Because no high 637 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,400 banking signs have been made years ago, 638 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,120 but then people were upset because they 639 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,360 had a UTV on them. Like that's who's 640 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:02,320 high banking 641 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,520 >> and motorcycles. 642 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,039 >> But yeah, motorcycles, too. 643 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,000 >> I just don't think signs discourage 644 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,240 >> No. I don't know. We had the signs 645 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,960 either. 646 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760 >> Yeah, we had the signs after the road 647 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,679 department fixed the road. We had signs 648 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:16,799 and it didn't matter, 649 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,240 >> right? 650 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,000 >> Yeah. I would say we pick out a couple 651 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,960 of areas, you know, like especially on fins and things and just, you know, 652 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,039 let's just do it and, you know, the next 653 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:28,559 month, but let's pick out a few 654 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,360 different, you know, areas on the trail. 655 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,919 Um, you know, I I got my, you know, like 656 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,360 Mark, some of these sections that you 657 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,760 picked out, I I totally Yes, I agree. 658 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240 They're just getting wider and deeper 659 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,640 and uh and just see what happens and 660 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,880 just, you know, you know, put these logs 661 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,120 in and and uh let's just go for it. 662 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,120 Okay. Do we need to uh bring it to the 663 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,000 Red Rock four-wheelers or the motor? I 664 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,520 can mention it to Cliff, but 665 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,799 >> yeah, we're we're fine with it and all 666 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,760 we'll do is let them know what we are 667 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,120 doing, but there won't be no problems. 668 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,679 >> Okay. Okay. Good. I know Cliff is an 669 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:12,559 advocate of smoothing the rocks down, 670 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,559 which if you go to the first slide that 671 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,480 I showed, there's no rocks there. 672 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,320 >> Yeah. So, I don't think that's that's 673 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 the solution. The rocks definitely 674 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,279 encourage people to leave the drill. But 675 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,400 >> yeah, but the high banks really 676 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,760 encourage people to want to go from 677 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,480 them. 678 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,840 >> They do. I know. It's fine. 679 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,039 >> My side by side all the time. 680 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:32,000 >> You know, I haven't tied back yet so 681 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,750 much as I am right now. 682 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,230 » I know. I don't ever go in that hurry. 683 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,600 » You mean the forest service? 684 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,240 or service in state lands my private 685 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,159 property. 686 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:53,279 >> That's right. But I agree with him. We 687 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,880 should pick out 688 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,240 >> Yeah. 689 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,679 >> three four places 690 00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:01,840 and you know like some areas you say we 691 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,240 want to do here here but spread them out 692 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,559 and see how it works. 693 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:09,120 >> Okay. So 694 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,799 >> we know we know it works pretty good 695 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,159 because he had the other ones in there 696 00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:12,799 for how long? 697 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,200 >> Three years. So for a location like 698 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,240 this, would the post be the right 699 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,679 solution or looking for ropes on this? 700 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,799 is a little more extreme in my mind 701 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:22,240 implementing some protection just the 702 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,600 post might encourage people to go around 703 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,200 or might not be enough line of sight or 704 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,400 protection. We're really trying to 705 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400 funnel them down. We need to do ropes 706 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,190 and posts like 707 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,720 » if you go to this site, I think you'll 708 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,559 see that you don't need the ropes and 709 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,120 you don't need that many posts. And also 710 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,840 we want to see if Cliff was on board 711 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,840 with taking the Miniac X out there and 712 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,919 bringing that bank back and that would 713 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:47,440 change how it looks probably quite a 714 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,960 bit. 715 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,200 >> Yeah, because we didn't have a a vehicle 716 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,880 to do the equipment to do that. 717 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,480 >> If you had the post spaced four feet 718 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,159 apart, by the time you got to the second 719 00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:58,480 post, you would have to be literally a 720 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,440 90° turn to get to the bank, 721 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,720 >> which is why you don't need a lot of 722 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,640 posts. And and I I think there's a 723 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,120 safety issue with the cabling. people 724 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,720 with motorcycles and stuff that, you 725 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,799 know, they're just they just don't. 726 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,159 >> So, it will it will require some more 727 00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:13,200 maintenance though, making sure those 728 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,399 posts are still up. First one gets 729 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:15,840 clipped and then we're back to where it 730 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,320 was again. 731 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,840 >> Yeah, that's like the whole thing's an 732 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080 experiment. 733 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,720 >> I think so. With that experiment, my 734 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,480 inquiry 735 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320 question is, 736 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,360 >> would you want to utilize a social media 737 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,520 component for awareness of that or do 738 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,600 you want to just do it quietly and see 739 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,279 what the response is? 740 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:37,679 Quiet. 741 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:39,760 >> I like the second one. Quiet. 742 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,880 >> That's why I'm asking. 743 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,909 >> We'll get feedback at the booth. 744 00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,960 » I just think what do you think? 745 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840 >> Well, no. I think just using post work 746 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,000 really well. And I'm bringing up an 747 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480 area. Can you guys see my uh map of 748 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Hell's Revenge? 749 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,600 >> Yeah. Where are you on this? 750 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 >> Okay. So, this is the the uh the 751 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240 overlook at the very end. Here's Hell's 752 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,279 Gate. And if I zoom in, you could see 753 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,559 this old road that went this way. Now, 754 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,399 this is probably back in 2017. Sonia and 755 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:17,360 I put just two post right here and two 756 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,360 old logs. And nobody nobody has gone 757 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 through that since. And that's been, you 758 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240 know, now almost eight years or so, 759 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,240 which I feel really every time I go out 760 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,919 there, I'm very happy and pleased that 761 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:32,080 nobody's touched that area. And so then 762 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,679 yeah, this little section right in here 763 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:36,640 and nobody's touched it that many years 764 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840 just by putting two carsonites in a log 765 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,520 right there blocking that off and so 766 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520 nobody uses it anymore. But you know, 767 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520 simple things like that work in my 768 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,399 opinion. 769 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:47,679 >> The right place. 770 00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:51,039 >> Yeah, the right place. Yeah. But there are some places I feel like yeah, 771 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,919 you do need, you know, some rope or some 772 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:57,360 cabling to really block off stuff. Uh 773 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360 but uh I think in most places you can 774 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,799 just put a a carcinite or an old dead 775 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,200 log and people don't go there because 776 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,200 they don't want to ruin their vehicle. 777 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,120 They don't want to, you know, ding it or 778 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360 dent it if there's something physically 779 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,679 there. 780 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,039 >> No, 781 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,039 >> that's my my comments. 782 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,840 >> All right. Thank you, Matt. 783 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,080 All right. Well, any 784 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,960 else to add, Mark, or I think Sounds 785 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,320 good. 786 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Definitely with that. Yeah. 787 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,320 >> Do we need to make a motion? We just 788 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,600 need just need to implement. 789 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,039 >> Yeah, I don't think we need to vote on 790 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:33,919 it. 791 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:35,440 >> I think we're fine. I didn't have it 792 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,240 that way either. Um Matt, do we have any 793 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,399 citizens to be heard? 794 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:43,200 >> No, we're we're still boring. Sorry 795 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,679 about that. 796 00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:48,159 >> They're two and 797 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,600 >> Okay, so I have two letters here. 798 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,039 Um the first one we need to ratify 799 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,399 because that one um is after the fact. I 800 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:03,520 have already sent the letter in and um 801 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,679 there is some changes you may or may not 802 00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,760 know about because when we talked about 803 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,360 this grant before we were going for a 804 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,279 capital project grant. So what happened 805 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,440 was I met with the engineer in the road 806 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880 department and um well Melissa Jeff was 807 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,640 there too and we decided after rereading 808 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,480 and Joseph Deill was working with us 809 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,679 after rereading the new grant this year 810 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,799 now formerly raised now build 811 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,120 it didn't look like we had any chance if 812 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,840 we weren't shovel ready and had other 813 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,159 matching funds so I said why are we 814 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:43,440 throwing our money away applying for a 815 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,039 capital grant that it doesn't look like 816 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,120 we have any chance of getting it. Let's 817 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,519 make it a planning and design grant. And 818 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,600 so they all said, "Yes, that's a great 819 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,559 idea. Let's do that." So, it's only a $ 820 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,120 1.5 million grant is what we're going 821 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,720 for. If we get it, we'll know in June. 822 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360 And then, um, we can get something 823 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,360 shovel ready. We can apply for a build 824 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,799 grant in the future. We can apply for a 825 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,799 flap grant. You know, all kinds of 826 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,880 options. So, uh, yeah. So that's what we 827 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,960 did and I didn't contact you all because 828 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200 I said well you all are very much in 829 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,760 support of the road being improved. So 830 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,919 this is just a little tweak that really 831 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:27,600 the build grant we wouldn't have any 832 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,760 chance if we didn't uh if we went for a 833 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,159 capital grant again. So and the 834 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:35,200 commission approved their letter to go 835 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,559 to for the build grant and so I had to 836 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,640 get all the letters in. Well, actually 837 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,399 they gave us an extension until March 838 00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:45,360 13th. So I got I mean that's on there. 839 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,840 So I got the letter from the city in 840 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,480 March 11th. I went before the city. So 841 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,960 anyway, I'm looking for 842 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440 your approval for the uh build grant 843 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,880 letter. 844 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960 >> I read the letter. We don't have any 845 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600 recommendation any uh edits and I would 846 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,760 make a motion that we approve your bill 847 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,640 grant letter. 848 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,279 >> Okay. 849 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,320 >> Do we have a second? I will second. 850 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120 >> Okay. 851 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,760 Um, 852 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240 vote in favor. 853 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,149 All right. Unanimous. 854 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:26,559 Okay. And then the next letter is um 855 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,399 something completely different here. Um, 856 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,279 so did you get a chance to look at that? 857 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,240 And then I have the proposal. Matt, you 858 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,559 got the bill went up. You can put the 859 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,000 other Oh, there. 860 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,960 Can you put up the other letter? 861 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,799 >> Yeah. What's the other letter? The Is 862 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,480 this Hawk Glide? 863 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,760 >> Yeah, this W. 864 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,440 >> Okay. Hawk Glide one. Okay. 865 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,200 >> That's the Hawk Glide one. 866 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,360 >> Okay. 867 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,039 >> So, did folks get a chance to read the 868 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,919 proposal from Trailmix? And this got 869 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,640 passed last week, right Matt? 870 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,440 >> Yeah. 871 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,079 >> At the Trail meeting. correct 872 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,119 >> on the 10th. So that got passed. And so 873 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,599 what I'm what I have here is a draft 874 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,440 letter to Dave Pals at the BLM 875 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,919 uh saying that we are in support of the 876 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,480 proposal from Trail Mix. 877 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,079 So I wanted to know if you have any 878 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,720 edits for this letter. 879 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,639 >> No, but I'm in agreement. I've I've 880 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,240 hiked it. 881 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,480 >> Put your life in your hand. take that 882 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,159 trip 883 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,000 because you have oncoming traffic at 884 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,480 high speeds coming around corners pretty 885 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,079 quickly. So, um yeah, it's it's a I 886 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,399 think the proposal go one way is very 887 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,750 good thing. 888 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,310 » Okay. Any further discussion? 889 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,200 Does anyone want to make a motion for 890 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,879 the letter? If there were no edits on 891 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,839 the letter, 892 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:01,280 >> you edit it and said she said it. 893 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,200 >> Yes. Yes, thank you for catching my 894 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,119 silly mistake. 895 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,079 West to east, east, west. 896 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:09,520 >> That's why you always need more people 897 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,280 looking at something. Um, okay. I motion 898 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,400 to um accept. Is that what we want to 899 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560 accept it? Yes. 900 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040 >> How did I write it? Trail mix proposal 901 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,200 for Huxly designated. Yeah, 902 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,560 >> I'll second that. 903 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,599 >> Okay. So, Molly made a motion and then 904 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,400 um seconded. Okay. All in favor. 905 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Okay. Unanimous. Thank you. And then 906 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560 we'll get that over to the BLM. 907 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,920 Uh maybe tomorrow. 908 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480 All right. So, what do I have next on 909 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,599 here? Matt, you can go to the PowerPoint 910 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,480 again. Okay. So, I have some statistics 911 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,240 about the festive tree that was up there 912 00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:00,400 at the Slick Rock Bike Trail in December 913 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,320 or actually it was the end of November 914 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,920 till first week in January. And so, this 915 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480 is from Ally from U Moab Office of 916 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,359 Tourism and she said, "Here are the 917 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:14,960 results of our broadcast and digital PR 918 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,599 efforts surrounding the tree. 919 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:23,040 64 million total audience reach, 500,000 920 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,560 social impressions, 16 million broadcast 921 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,960 and digital impressions, 922 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,320 148 million press release audience. 923 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,079 >> That's extreme. 924 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,960 >> I can't even believe those numbers. So, 925 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040 >> I will say I went up a couple times and 926 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,760 there were people really enjoying it. 927 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,200 >> Yeah, I went up there like three times 928 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,880 and I was alone each time I went up 929 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,119 there. Oh, but uh yes, I had all 930 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:48,480 positive feedback. I didn't have any 931 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,280 negative feedback. 932 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,359 >> Yeah, it was like meditative people. 933 00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:53,040 >> It was beautiful and and people were 934 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,560 Yeah, I mean I heard people were just 935 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,000 loving it. 936 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,160 >> But that kind of social media reaction, 937 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,839 I would think that would have included 938 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,880 their whole um package about the bridge 939 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,119 as well and other things. 940 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,800 >> They didn't put the package out like 941 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,640 they did. 942 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,880 >> No, the difference. I got to say coming 943 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,480 into town and seeing the light up at 944 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,680 Lions Park was really 945 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,359 >> We did want them to add that in there. I 946 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,599 don't think it happened. This was the 947 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,560 new not Madden but the other 948 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960 >> camp floors idea and they kind of put it 949 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,520 all together and took it and created 950 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,480 this PR because they're the PR people 951 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,560 and they didn't do the the bridge 952 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960 lighting which I think that came was a 953 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,599 little sad about. Um but this is just 954 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,599 festive tree. 955 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,920 Yeah, because I think people actually 956 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,240 anyway not that many people went to that 957 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,760 but I can't believe those numbers. 958 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,160 >> Well, I will say 959 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,079 >> right in the beginning I met I can't 960 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:49,920 remember her name. I met this woman that 961 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,079 was one of the influencers that was out 962 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,040 there with Ally and Mick and myself and 963 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359 the next day they sent me a video of her 964 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,240 like or a few days later in San Antonio 965 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,760 speaking to them and then my 966 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,320 sister-in-law in Chicago sent me a video 967 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,720 of her interviewing Chicago and it was 968 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,839 long. It was over five minutes that they 969 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,320 were talking about the tree and Moab and 970 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,079 Moab as well in general. 971 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,560 >> Yeah. So, I heard I saw two of them and 972 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,960 I think there was at least 16 cities. I 973 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,200 think she told me 974 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,079 major cities. 975 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,240 So, next year they'll all be here. 976 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,680 Looking for a tree that may or may not 977 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,480 be here. 978 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,320 >> Speaking of next year, can we make sure 979 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,320 to capture those numbers in the minutes, 980 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,440 please? And thank you. 981 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,079 >> Yes. And then if 982 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,160 the collective 983 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,800 forces that be so whether that's the mob 984 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,280 office of tourism or grain county or 985 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,760 sand flats or all the above choose to do 986 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,599 something like this 987 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,320 >> advanced planning which you did 988 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,400 >> and then there was a little ball drop in 989 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,720 there and recognizing it that you 990 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,800 absolutely did a great job communicating 991 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,040 more than 60 days in advance for the 992 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,079 permitting piece through BLM. it was the 993 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,480 followup that was not of your control 994 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,440 that just needs 995 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,119 >> and the closure the closure messed them 996 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:07,520 up too. 997 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,599 >> So the other thing is it would probably 998 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,599 be ideal to pick an alternate location 999 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,359 because of some of the resources that 1000 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,280 were identified there and this all 1001 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,119 happened before the permitting and 1002 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,520 all of that. So we can improve upon that 1003 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,680 and we've learned which is great. We've 1004 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,359 also learned that people really enjoyed 1005 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:30,160 it. So it was a good learning 1006 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,079 opportunity and there were things that 1007 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:33,599 went really well and there are things 1008 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,520 that can go better is the message from 1009 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,960 our lands and realy staff. 1010 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,599 >> Right. Right. Because and that was Mont 1011 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,200 working with them. I didn't have the 1012 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,079 >> again but yeah 1013 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,160 >> it is what it is. So 1014 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,560 >> well 1015 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,160 >> I went up and looked at it a couple 1016 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,960 times. 1017 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,920 >> Yeah. 1018 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,440 >> I thought every morning. 1019 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,040 >> Every morning. 1020 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,359 because I had to leave 1021 00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:59,520 early and go for my ear 1022 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680 then I would come back and then she the 1023 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,040 next day and 1024 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,720 >> so I don't know if it's Ally and 1025 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,280 >> I think it's Ally and Mick because who 1026 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,560 it is but make sure we let them I think 1027 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,560 there was a commissioner strongly behind 1028 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,359 this 1029 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:18,480 >> whoever it is closed down in the winter 1030 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560 or No, no, we 1031 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,240 >> because I say if you picked a campground 1032 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,839 where people could just cycle in or park 1033 00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:28,160 and everything on a trail, it' already 1034 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,560 be like kind of fenced up or because the 1035 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280 campground trees are 1036 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,440 >> Yeah, but I thought the way coming in to 1037 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,320 tell 1038 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,119 >> Well, this is about the sand one. 1039 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,400 >> Yeah, this is a pine 1040 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,839 >> that will happen again this year, but 1041 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:42,880 this is different. Yeah. 1042 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,720 >> Yeah, this is it was one hill. 1043 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:49,030 >> I still like it. outouses. 1044 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,079 » Uh well, you know, we had picked, you 1045 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:53,839 know, originally they came to me like in 1046 00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:54,880 August 1047 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,359 >> and they were thinking of some 1048 00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,240 backcountry place flats where people 1049 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,520 could hike into it and then they were 1050 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,720 like, "Oh, we really want them to be up 1051 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,720 in the Las hiking into it." I'm like, 1052 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,240 "Do you want search and rescue to be 1053 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,440 really busy this agenda of increasing 1054 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,520 recreational access for folks?" 1055 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680 >> Yeah. So then they were like, "Oh, well, 1056 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,599 how about these places at Sandbox?" I 1057 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:16,880 said, "You know, we need to have 1058 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,319 toilets. We need to have parking. We 1059 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:19,520 need to have safety." 1060 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,000 >> You're right. 1061 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,079 >> How about Slick Rock? Because everybody 1062 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,440 knows about it and it's easy to find and 1063 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,200 you know, but but I said 1064 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,319 >> at 8:00 1065 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,720 >> and and I did say, "Well, Slick Rock is 1066 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,200 still not ideal if we get snow or ice." 1067 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520 >> Yeah. I didn't realize the part was you 1068 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,880 should be hiking in because otherwise 1069 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,400 it' just be off the parking lot or 1070 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,040 something. So, if this coming August 1071 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,359 happens to be a conversation about this, 1072 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:43,920 well, 1073 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,160 >> yeah, 1074 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,839 >> let's let's further that conversation, 1075 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:46,240 right? 1076 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,000 >> Because they dropped Yeah, because I 1077 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,520 thought they were taking care of the 1078 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,000 permit and nothing was happening 1079 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 apparently until the last minute and 1080 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,400 they 1081 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,680 >> Anyway, yeah, you know, 1082 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,599 >> I got it down and happening. Yes, they 1083 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:03,359 this is an idea to have continue and so 1084 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:04,560 I think that this is really great 1085 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,040 information. Yeah. which I was involved 1086 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,839 in it, but I but I am a commissioner and 1087 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,800 I I know I know about behind it. So I'll 1088 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,160 make sure it's related. 1089 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,839 >> Yeah, because I did everything I could. 1090 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:18,160 I was writing to people at the BLM 1091 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,680 saying uh do you know about this? 1092 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,560 >> So anyway, 1093 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,240 >> my next question is could I be bold and 1094 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:25,920 ask if I can just jump in because I need 1095 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,400 to leave. 1096 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,480 >> Oh yeah, 1097 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,160 >> I see you know the film and whatnot. 1098 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,440 You'll get me an invoice for holiday 1099 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,640 film for the 1100 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,000 >> this one. It's the next 1101 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,119 >> the next one. The creatures at night or 1102 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,079 June or June. 1103 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,920 >> June. Yep. Just make sure to share an 1104 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,240 invoice and Canyon Lands Natural History 1105 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,160 Association. We'll get that and 1106 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319 >> you want me to share it with you because 1107 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,319 I have to submit it to their portal. 1108 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,440 >> So that would be great. Um I'm not sure 1109 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,599 what you want for the Falcon Climb trail 1110 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,920 updates other than it terminates at 1111 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,839 Juniper currently. 1112 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,640 >> Yeah. Right. I have that on there. 1113 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,119 Um, not sure what you want for the 1114 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,720 porcupine update. So, I'm just kind of 1115 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,839 cruising through here. 1116 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:08,960 >> Oh, on my list. 1117 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,680 >> Yeah. Um, you I think covered it. You 1118 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000 had asked me to talk about events. You 1119 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,760 do have the event calendar. I don't have 1120 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,720 it in my brain, but it is event season. 1121 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,119 >> Yes. 1122 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,680 >> Um, I did talk with our folks, our 1123 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,079 outdoor recliners, and they will CC you 1124 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,280 on the email. Friendly reminder to 1125 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,200 please be respectful and stop at the 1126 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680 stop signs. I saw that. Thank you. 1127 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,160 >> Yes. Okay, so that already went out. 1128 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,000 >> Yes, I saw that today. Friendly reminder 1129 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,240 for people those outfitters to slow down 1130 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,280 and stop at the booth. 1131 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,280 >> Yep. Thank you. In and out. 1132 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,280 >> Yep. 1133 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,599 >> Um what's the other piece? 1134 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,560 You said something about the build, but 1135 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520 it's on the agenda. Slants Road, the 1136 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,480 grant we just talked about, I think. 1137 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,200 Um, I guess big BLM updates that are on 1138 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,119 my mind was thank you so much for the 1139 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,160 class one ebike stickers that hopefully 1140 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:04,800 went out. 1141 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,160 >> Yep. Yep. They went up. 1142 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,480 >> Came by picked up some more. They had 1143 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,640 done the initial, you know, trail head 1144 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,160 access 1145 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,079 front portions and are going in and 1146 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,880 completing some of the the further in 1147 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,440 sections. So, class one ebikes are okay 1148 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,200 on all the five trails. So, thank you 1149 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040 for your help with that, especially um 1150 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,119 in the sandflots world. Then GCAT helped 1151 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,720 out immensely with the 313 trails. So 1152 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:33,119 Navajo Horse Thief and 1153 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,640 what am I trying to say? The uh not what 1154 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,560 is it called? Magnificent 7. 1155 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,200 >> Okay. 1156 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,720 >> Sorry, I just couldn't pull it out of my 1157 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,119 head. 1158 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,079 >> That's all right. 1159 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,280 >> Um much appreciated. Uh we're starting 1160 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,280 to see the busy season as you are. All 1161 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,440 the campgrounds are open. Things are 1162 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,760 happening. Um 1163 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,280 trying to think of what other updates. 1164 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,319 Obviously, the River Road SR128 project 1165 00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:59,440 is well underway. We have 300 days to 1166 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,920 complete that. So, plan on delays and 1167 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,760 onelane traffic through October 31st. 1168 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,760 Um, 1169 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,440 any questions? I mean, those are the big 1170 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,040 updates on my mind. 1171 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,160 >> We think so. I've been, you know, 1172 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,800 working with Jeep. 1173 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,800 >> Thank you. Yes, the sticker. I don't 1174 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,160 know when it's going to come out, but 1175 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,800 for Mark Pope in particular, 1176 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,839 we do have permission from Jeep Legal 1177 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:31,920 for the are they seven flat spaces 1178 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,119 grill, the correct grill. Um, we're 1179 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,720 working with Sarah Finocha Pipe Dream 1180 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,359 for what will most likely be a second 1181 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:43,760 sticker. And Nah's apparently in the 1182 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,680 loop. This is a Scott Brown thing. He 1183 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,480 did get permission from legal. So, I 1184 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,240 don't think it's going to be here in 1185 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,319 time for Easter Jeep Safari, but it is 1186 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:55,359 in process and it's timeless, right? He 1187 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,119 actually wanted the sticker updated to 1188 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,640 have the Moab Jeep on it. 1189 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,319 >> Yeah. As well as some language on the 1190 00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:05,200 back from Jeep Legal about trademark. 1191 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,800 And we'll put the partner logos which is 1192 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,480 natural history association and grant. 1193 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,400 >> Yeah. when I got you saw in the emails 1194 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,440 and permission from Melissa and got them 1195 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,160 to you. 1196 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,319 >> Three different types I got three 1197 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:21,920 different styles you could choose from. 1198 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,040 >> And then just because we talked about it 1199 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,560 before the recording started, Mud 1200 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,319 Springs Trail System does officially 1201 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:29,839 open on April 16th. We continue to work 1202 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,920 with Grand and San Juan County as well 1203 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,640 as Utah Department of Transportation for 1204 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,079 a new and improved, safer, more 1205 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:39,599 userfriendly 1206 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,240 access road to that trail head which 1207 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,640 will be off the Pat Creek cut off. Um, 1208 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,319 hats off to Utah Department of 1209 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,319 Transportation who is financially very 1210 00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:51,280 committed and has shared those funds. It 1211 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,960 can't happen soon enough. We're all 1212 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,960 aware of it and we'll be moving in that 1213 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,760 direction 1214 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,319 >> and hoping to maybe start phase two 1215 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:02,560 environmental assessment in let's say 1216 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,470 June. 1217 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,599 » Wow. 1218 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,200 >> That's good to know because I've every 1219 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,800 time I turn a left I think am I going to 1220 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,680 get clever here? 1221 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,760 >> You're not alone. So but other people 1222 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,640 can 1223 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,599 >> Oh it's it's 1224 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:16,720 >> from the beginning. Yeah. 1225 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,480 >> Yeah. It's been from the actually it's 1226 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,920 been two and a half years worth of 1227 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,720 conversation. So, this isn't new, but um 1228 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,280 EDOT has been super supportive and I'm 1229 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,920 very excited for the help from San Juan 1230 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,359 and Green counties. 1231 00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,920 >> It's it's a team effort for sure. 1232 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,000 >> And nobody will even understand how 1233 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,520 challenging it was when it's all said 1234 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,160 and done. 1235 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,640 >> Kind of like the 128 project, 1236 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,950 >> right? Right. 1237 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,760 » Um and then we had this on here with you 1238 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,319 for talking about the Jeep work day. 1239 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:51,599 >> Oh, yes. But al also um you know I've 1240 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,920 been working with Scott Brown and 1241 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,440 everyone for the place for reserving Fox 1242 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,160 Campground and then the loop behind it 1243 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880 for their big event day which will be on 1244 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,720 um well they'll be there for four days, 1245 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,640 five days really. They're reserving it 1246 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,599 for five nights. 1247 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:08,160 >> Great. 1248 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,760 >> But um they will be doing their event 1249 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,839 stuff there and their social media stuff 1250 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:23,040 on Monday. The Where are we? Monday, the 30th. Yes. And then till 1251 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,280 Wednesday, April 1st. And so I've been 1252 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,640 working with with them. 1253 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,400 >> And you're in the loop about the lion's 1254 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,000 back thing again. 1255 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,839 >> Yeah. Yeah. That was all very simple. 1256 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,280 They've been doing that all along. Yeah. 1257 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,119 >> Film permit. And 1258 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,280 >> I haven't seen the film permits yet. I 1259 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,240 asked Katie for 1260 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,480 >> It's coming. Yep. It'll be done by 1261 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,040 tomorrow. 1262 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,480 >> I have the fee for the box campground. I 1263 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,880 mean out of that where there 1264 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,520 >> there is another um work project 1265 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,599 happening I I want to say 29th I'm not 1266 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,280 positive I forget and don't have it in 1267 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,400 front of me with tread lightly uh and 1268 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,440 Bronco and that's down at King Creek 1269 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,680 they're installing a new steel motif at 1270 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,160 the top kiosk which will be in that 1271 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,359 airown area uh just past ledge B kind of 1272 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,440 adjacent just downstream from the 1273 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,680 corrugated toilet and across from where 1274 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400 you enter King Creek or Cane Springs 1275 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,119 depending on who's referring it. What do 1276 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,200 you call it? 1277 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,240 >> King Creek. 1278 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,839 >> The King Creek that goes into the King 1279 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:26,800 Creek road. 1280 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,160 >> So there's going to be a building at 1281 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,280 Baby Lions back too. 1282 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,440 >> No, no, no. This is proper lions back on 1283 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,240 Trust Lands in the very top. 1284 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,440 >> Oh, they're going to be on again. 1285 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,200 >> So they did it five years ago and 1286 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,200 they're doing it again. 1287 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,960 >> But they're not because I was thinking 1288 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,680 Baby Lions, too. Yeah, baby Lions back 1289 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,280 they're using too, but I didn't know 1290 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,960 there was filming no filming there. 1291 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,440 Okay. 1292 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,079 >> I I don't know. But we have a specific 1293 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:53,920 film permit that's in process for Lions. 1294 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,440 >> Is it that's on yours? 1295 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,559 >> Well, the top 150 ft is 1296 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,880 >> it's all trust lands up lion's back to 1297 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,200 the top of the fin and the very top is 1298 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,440 BLM and it's not a designated route. So 1299 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,359 just like five years ago, we have a film 1300 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:10,960 permit that they will be issued. 1301 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,880 >> And so Sit gives them a film permit too 1302 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,720 for 1303 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,240 Okay. 1304 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:17,920 >> Okay. So what do you know what day that 1305 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,480 is? You're going to be up there filming. 1306 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,359 >> Don't remember. 1307 00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:23,520 >> Maybe you can let me know. 1308 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,160 >> Actually, I might have it in my notes 1309 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,520 >> just because you know people are going 1310 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,240 to be talking. 1311 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,440 >> That's why I wanted to make sure you 1312 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,400 were in the loop. 1313 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,880 >> Yeah. Can we drive up Zack? It's open 1314 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,440 again. 1315 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,880 >> No. 1316 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,040 We got people up there. 1317 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,119 >> No, no, no. We're just filming. 1318 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,760 >> Okay. And the work day is coming up. 1319 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,839 >> 28th per Saturday. 1320 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,240 >> Pens and things. 1321 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,400 >> Installing how many feet events? And 1322 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:52,800 something 1323 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,880 >> about 165t. 1324 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,280 I've got some slides in there. We 1325 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,800 >> don't like 1326 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,160 >> That's good. 1327 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,920 >> Thank you, Mark, so much for all 1328 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,920 coordination and working with everybody 1329 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,760 on that project. That's thousands. It 1330 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,720 keeps getting bigger. 1331 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,240 >> You know what? I don't think I put those 1332 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:09,520 slides in. I'm sorry. 1333 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,880 >> All right, that's fine cuz I was 1334 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,040 >> You did send those earlier. Yeah, that's 1335 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,359 >> in general in It's on what I call the 1336 00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,280 things portion of Fins and Things, which 1337 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,599 is the north side just after the the 1338 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,960 Fort by 4x4 trail comes in. There's a 1339 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,520 very very wide section of trail and just 1340 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,920 beyond that is a very very wide section 1341 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,319 of trail and we're going to be doing a 1342 00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,960 combination of range fencing and natural 1343 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,240 barriers. um at that location to try to 1344 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,559 take seven lanes down into one and a 1345 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,119 half. And just beyond that, partly to 1346 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,640 keep people busy and partly because it's 1347 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,440 needed badly, there's many many braids 1348 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,280 that we we in and out. We're going to 1349 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,640 try to take some people down and 1350 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,400 whatever dead and down we can find to 1351 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,160 try to channel people into a single 1352 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,839 path. Um the Samp staff will be there. 1353 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:58,559 We'll have extra tosts in and they'll 1354 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,319 bring extra signs in case we want to put 1355 00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:02,400 some signs down in that braided section 1356 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,359 as well. And my hope is that that can be 1357 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:07,520 the beginning kind of to put a stake in 1358 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,880 the ground for that section of the 1359 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,160 trail. Maybe we can work in both 1360 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,400 directions and try to do some things in 1361 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,720 the future to to control it a little 1362 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,160 bit. 1363 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,720 >> Thank you. 1364 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:17,520 >> It's going to be great. 1365 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,760 >> Yeah, BLM will be there. Jeep will be 1366 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,760 there. Red four-wheelers, sand flat 1367 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,599 staff. I think there's someone coming in 1368 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,559 to film us to do stuff. It's it's going 1369 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,960 to be a lot to manage on the ground. 1370 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,880 That's my focus is to keep people safe 1371 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,359 and task. 1372 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,040 Well, I'm so glad you're 1373 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,800 >> And what's the date of that, Mark? 1374 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,880 >> That's the 28th. It's the first Saturday 1375 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,240 of Jeep Safari. 1376 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,589 >> Remember I said I needed you, Matt. 1377 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,240 » But what section of trail is that, Mark? 1378 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:48,559 Again, 1379 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,520 >> it's north section just after the 1380 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,400 porcupine 4x4 comes in on the right 1381 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,559 where the fence makes a left turn. 1382 00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:57,440 >> Yeah. 1383 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,440 >> After that, it's very, very rough and 1384 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,000 it's very wide. And there's one section 1385 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,160 that Nita calls the limema bean 1386 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,079 >> where people have gone so far off the 1387 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,400 right hand side and continue to even go 1388 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,319 further off the right hand side. 1389 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:11,760 >> That's that's the section we want to 1390 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,119 corral updates. 1391 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,000 >> Okay. 1392 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,079 >> Almost all of them. I was thinking 1393 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,079 nobody had 1394 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,079 >> I have to leave it for two and but I 1395 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,160 mean she had a bunch of the updates. 1396 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,680 She's like busier than I am. And 1397 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,280 unless anybody had anything for me. I 1398 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,800 mean, we have other things that go on in 1399 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,319 the county, but not necessarily that 1400 00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:33,440 affect the area. So, 1401 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,400 >> so you're staying with us? 1402 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,119 >> You're staying with us? 1403 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,800 >> Yeah. I didn't let take it. 1404 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,240 >> I was like, you guys were so kind. I'll 1405 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,079 just say and it's interesting for me 1406 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,599 because I'm like, you already are on the 1407 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,520 trail mix, you know. You know, I'm like, 1408 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,760 I I need to have some of that 1409 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,240 >> back, you know, some of this peace. 1410 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,520 >> You got to learn a little bit all around 1411 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,440 the county. So, 1412 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,280 >> this is a busy play. Yeah, I can maybe 1413 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,800 have it next year. Then I'll take trail 1414 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,800 mix or something else, you know, swap. 1415 00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,119 >> Yeah. 1416 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,400 >> Oh, right. Because he's a trail mix. 1417 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,599 >> Yeah. I'm like, you already have trail 1418 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,280 mix. I'm gonna keep sending, you know, 1419 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,880 makes sense. I'm like, I'll give you my 1420 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,520 healthcare district. 1421 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,430 >> He didn't want that though. 1422 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,800 » I have like all the healthcare stuff, 1423 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,119 which is okay because I was EMT for 20 1424 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,040 years, but I would give some of it away. 1425 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,680 I have I have a lot I have healthcare 1426 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,520 special service district the EMS special 1427 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,280 service district four corners mental 1428 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,599 health and the uh health uh four corners 1429 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,119 health so I have four 1430 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,559 >> oh my gosh 1431 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,640 >> yeah so I tried to get one of those like 1432 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,720 I got to keep this fun one because you 1433 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,680 guys made me feel so good too but yeah I 1434 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,440 don't have anything that is I mean the 1435 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,720 county is super busy we have lots of 1436 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,319 projects going out especially with those 1437 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,880 you know the care center working on RFP 1438 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,599 for that working on RFP for the uh 1439 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,760 public safety buildings to possibly 1440 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160 expand our courthouse and jail. Oh yeah. 1441 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,480 >> Um we have an RFP out for the land use 1442 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,400 code updates. So lots of 1443 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,480 >> Quinn kind of told me, oh you might be 1444 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,079 moving, but we're talking a lot of 1445 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,920 years, right? 1446 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,559 >> Um I don't know. I don't know. 1447 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,400 >> Do I have to not retire and keep 1448 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,640 working? Well, and I was just outra 1449 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,200 yesterday and so I mean I was just all 1450 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,040 of those shows out there if if they give 1451 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,960 us if we get given that land I mean all 1452 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,319 those trails I'm like that's perfect. 1453 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:18,960 We'll just relocate everybody that's on 1454 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,079 this side of the lot out there. 1455 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,119 >> Oh where on all those out there? There's 1456 00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:26,160 bathrooms. There's 1457 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,599 >> Oh, way out there. 1458 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,760 >> Oh, I wouldn't want sandflots out there. 1459 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,079 That's too far away. That's too far 1460 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,680 away. Yeah. I mean, we can move we can 1461 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,359 move you guys over to like this 1462 00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:36,880 somewhere because we can move the 1463 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,720 sheriff's back into the building, but I 1464 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,200 mean, we would be looking at Yes. 1465 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,720 >> Let me know when I can be at these 1466 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,559 meetings to advocate for so or you can 1467 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,480 advocate for us because I don't want to 1468 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,799 be any further away from the 1469 00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:51,359 >> Oh, yeah. And that makes sense. So, I 1470 00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:52,880 think that's I'm glad that you said 1471 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,680 that. 1472 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,280 >> Some people could move out there, 1473 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,880 >> you know, but because you know, we used 1474 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,000 to be at the bottom of the hill. 1475 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000 >> Yeah. And then we were up at where EMS 1476 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,240 is and now we're here and that's okay. 1477 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,319 We're still pretty close. But I do not 1478 00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:06,079 want to be out there. We cannot we 1479 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,599 wouldn't be able to function, right? 1480 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,920 >> You know, that tourism could be out 1481 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,440 there and our planning and zoning could 1482 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,480 be out there for a little while. I mean, 1483 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,319 it's not that's not that's not long 1484 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:15,440 term. It's not like it'd be out there 1485 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,480 forever. It would just be out there 1486 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,319 while we were building. So, we would 1487 00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,640 build on this on this block. 1488 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,319 >> So, when are we are we thinking this 1489 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,559 could start happening? Two years, three 1490 00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:25,839 years, five years. 1491 00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,000 >> Yeah. You know, we haven't even been in 1492 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,200 here. I only got this I was on here in 1493 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,559 2020, so we haven't even been on here 10 1494 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:35,200 years. 1495 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,280 >> They can go around. 1496 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,240 >> Yeah, 1497 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,000 >> but I think we're going to get the 1498 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,520 school. I heard the school is going to 1499 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,559 be sold. 1500 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,400 >> No. Well, working I'm working on that. 1501 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,160 >> And the title company working on that, 1502 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:46,559 too. 1503 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:50,230 >> That's ridiculous. 1504 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,000 » That should be out of town. That should 1505 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640 go to the address. Then we have to then 1506 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,799 we have to um transport. So then you 1507 00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:58,319 have the cost of transporting prisoners. 1508 00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:58,559 Yeah. 1509 00:56:58,559 --> 00:56:59,920 >> You know if we put the jail out there at 1510 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,920 Entra then we're gonna but we wouldn't 1511 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,559 be 1512 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,400 >> I mean they wouldn't be permanently out 1513 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,480 atra. It would just be there from a 1514 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,920 moment in time while we were building 1515 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,200 and then everybody would come back and 1516 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,559 then everybody would be on this 1517 00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:11,599 >> complicated. 1518 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,359 >> It's all of a thing to make money off of 1519 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,240 prisoners. So it's to spend 8 million to 1520 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,599 make some money. 1521 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,440 >> Yeah. to make sure that we don't get 1522 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,040 sued by 1523 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,839 >> they relocate the the jail like outside 1524 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:25,520 of town and just have all the stuff that 1525 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,839 we really need in town in town but I 1526 00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,040 know they have to take them into the 1527 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,160 courthouse and all that but 1528 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,280 >> and then you transport them back and 1529 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,799 forth and stuff. I mean there's pros and 1530 00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,960 there's the pros and cons everywhere 1531 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,640 >> and these are all just discussions and 1532 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,400 we have RFP out there to give us you 1533 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,839 know but the people that are 1534 00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:42,319 professionals not me that you know come 1535 00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:43,760 back and give you the really good ideas 1536 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,960 and stuff and how much it's going to 1537 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,720 cost and 1538 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,079 >> those things. So 1539 00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,400 >> yeah, just seems like Anyway, I know 1540 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,599 we've always had the jail right 1541 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,599 downtown, but it's kind of like why put 1542 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:54,720 the jail out of town. 1543 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,400 >> Yeah, I was talking about put the jail 1544 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,680 out there and the trans for the 1545 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,520 prisoners, but and it could be option as 1546 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,839 well. It's nothing's nothing like 1547 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:02,880 conversations. 1548 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,880 >> Does the county still own that property 1549 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,200 in San County where the racetrack is? 1550 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,720 >> We do, but we couldn't put our jail in 1551 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,480 San County. 1552 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,240 >> You can't? No. I just wonder because 1553 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640 when I was, you know, when we had to 1554 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,799 leave the BLM place and we were up here, 1555 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,480 I was researching all the places we 1556 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,559 could be. I looked at the old um 1557 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,440 shooting range up near Slots. I looked 1558 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,880 at the mosquito abatement, which I 1559 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,680 really didn't want to be. They didn't 1560 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,040 have any room for us in there. That's 1561 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,960 what they told us that area. And I 1562 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,319 didn't anyway know we wanted to be 1563 00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:34,400 there, but and then I looked at, you 1564 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,000 know, EMS. We were supposed to be up 1565 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,119 there with them, but then that didn't 1566 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,880 work out. So I did. And then I looked 1567 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,480 at, okay, there's that property we sell 1568 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,480 the town where the, 1569 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,319 >> you know, race track is. I was like, 1570 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:45,599 "No, we don't want to be out there." But 1571 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:46,960 I was like looking at all the county 1572 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,240 property like, "Where can we go?" And 1573 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,280 they said, "Well, the shooting range 1574 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,960 would be great. It's beautiful, but you 1575 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,319 have to clean all that up, all that 1576 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:53,440 lead." We're like, "We don't have any 1577 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440 money to clean all that up." So, 1578 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,119 >> I know it's there. There's lot I've 1579 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,400 looked at lots of lands for lots of 1580 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,400 reasons, lots of housing and all the 1581 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,920 different lots of different things that 1582 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,799 we've looked at all the different 1583 00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:05,440 properties that we have in the county. 1584 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,200 >> So, we'll keep on 1585 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,480 >> keep on looking. But you got to start 1586 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,599 somewhere. I mean, you have to start 1587 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,119 with the conversation and then you 1588 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,240 >> Well, this property was EMS's property. 1589 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,000 They had bought it from the Shoot 1590 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,680 family, but then it didn't have enough 1591 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,119 room for the parking and everything they 1592 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,680 needed, so then the county paid them 1593 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,480 back and let us move on here. 1594 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:24,880 >> Yeah. 1595 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,720 So, anyway. All right. Well, okay. 1596 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,079 Well, we're looking a few years out. 1597 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,280 >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be And 1598 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,200 there's no decisions made at all. It's 1599 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,680 like totally we're like in the in the 1600 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,440 learning all of the things stages. 1601 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,440 >> Well, what we need is a visitor center 1602 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,960 up at Sale Flats. I mean, I've thought 1603 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,040 that for 10 years and I put it right 1604 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,200 next to the Slick parking lot and I put 1605 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,040 a visitor center and administration. 1606 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,480 >> We'll take the animal shelter and have 1607 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,119 the animal shelter go somewhere else to 1608 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,640 San County and the racetrack. 1609 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,079 >> We could move you right in there then, 1610 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:56,799 couldn't we? 1611 00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:58,240 >> But we will talk about in two months I 1612 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,160 can have I'll have more. I'll I'll 1613 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,119 update you on it 1614 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,119 >> next. Okay. on the agenda for the next 1615 01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:03,359 one. 1616 01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,520 >> Sure, I can update you then. But I have 1617 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,640 another meeting after 1618 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,960 >> Sorry about that. Told you I kind of 1619 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,640 >> Thank you so much. 1620 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,640 >> Recycling and mosquito abatement out of 1621 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,799 the old racetrack in S County and you 1622 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:18,720 could be baited in there. 1623 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,319 >> Nobody wants to take the recycling way 1624 01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:22,000 out there. 1625 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,680 >> I would continue to push that. 1626 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,480 >> Oh yeah. 1627 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,280 >> Well, I brought it up a few years back 1628 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,599 and get the BLM to give you their land. 1629 01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,640 >> You got to put it on the front burner. I think about how many people get 1630 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,359 camping permits at the booth done 1631 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:38,240 indoors where people aren't being held 1632 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,799 >> and I put it so my idea right now anyway 1633 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:42,319 is to put it just look like a parking 1634 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:43,599 lot you know in the back. 1635 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:44,160 >> Yeah. 1636 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,720 >> And maybe have lot bigger and put it 1637 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,119 back further but like Matt 1638 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,960 >> I I like that idea. 1639 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,559 >> Yeah. That's where it should go in my 1640 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,000 mind and then you could have 1641 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,200 administration building 1642 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,119 >> toward the little pond out there or 1643 01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,559 >> No, I wouldn't go too close to the pond. 1644 01:00:58,559 --> 01:00:59,839 I just go No, the back. 1645 01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:01,440 >> Oh, the back. the long end. 1646 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,200 >> So, so how do we keep this more visible 1647 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,319 because this is the first time you heard 1648 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:05,599 of it as soon as you mentioned I thought 1649 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:06,400 this looks 1650 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,640 >> I just kind of thought but I didn't want 1651 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,400 to spend the last years with Sam I'm 1652 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,160 trying to get the road paid but yeah 1653 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:12,640 it's 1654 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,240 >> Mark let's go out for a beer and I'll 1655 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,599 give you the scoop 1656 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,000 >> okay 1657 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,280 >> yeah it's I mean can I come 1658 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,119 >> yes yes you can come too 1659 01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,520 >> we should we should try to pursue like 1660 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,200 funding and like how that could happen 1661 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,640 >> because I think I think the road's got 1662 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,160 its own course No, 1663 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,839 >> I think there's a plan and there's 1664 01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:33,280 people behind it. So, it's got to start 1665 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,000 the next ball. 1666 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,720 >> The next plan for something else. 1667 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,319 >> Yeah, but you can't retire until 1668 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,839 >> I'll retire in my 70s. 1669 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:43,359 >> All of your plans done. 1670 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:46,160 >> Always one more. 1671 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,000 >> I know. I'm like because I remember 1672 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,760 Diane Allen. She spent the last five 1673 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,280 years of her career with the park 1674 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,040 service building the Arches Visitor 1675 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,319 Center and it was not fun. I was like, 1676 01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:58,880 >> how many years was she? How many years 1677 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,079 before she retired? 1678 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:00,559 >> Yeah, 1679 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:01,920 >> I don't know. But it took her five years 1680 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:02,960 to build it. 1681 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,079 >> Just the visitor center. 1682 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:05,440 >> Yeah, the visitor center to do all the 1683 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:05,920 planning. 1684 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,119 >> Your offices could be in there. 1685 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,760 >> Well, you want to actually 1686 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,040 you want to really go 1687 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,040 >> done it for years. Well, you could do 1688 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,559 modular stuff. I mean, it wouldn't have 1689 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,000 to be stick built. I mean, it depends 1690 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,720 how you 1691 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,960 >> It's got to be stone so it fits in 1692 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,069 perfectly with the background. 1693 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:28,400 It would be beautiful with that, but 1694 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,359 we got we got the CPR and first aid 1695 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:35,440 coming up um for us. Okay. So, okay. All 1696 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,599 right. Now, 1697 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:42,720 Mark Finley just sent me the film like a 1698 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,480 few hours ago. So, I haven't even 1699 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,720 watched the whole thing. It's like 10 1700 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,400 minutes long. So maybe we should just 1701 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,160 watch like five minutes of it and I can 1702 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,319 forward it all to you and we can decide 1703 01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,000 if we if you guys have edits just tell 1704 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,960 me and I'll set 1705 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,400 >> because we watched it before. 1706 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880 >> No, but this is like the that was like a 1707 01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:59,760 parts of it. 1708 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,319 >> Okay. 1709 01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:03,359 >> So Matt, can you Oh, you want me to do 1710 01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:05,040 it? I need to do it. 1711 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,079 >> They won't be able to hear anything if I 1712 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,559 see it's almost 12 minutes. We'll just 1713 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,319 watch for five minutes. 1714 01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:14,559 >> Can you bring it up on your end? Yep. 1715 01:03:14,559 --> 01:07:03,190 >> I got it. I got it. 1716 01:07:03,200 --> 01:14:39,270 I 1717 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:52,790 Very 1718 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,120 good. 1719 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,110 >> It's longer than I thought. 1720 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,760 » The first timer package for keeping. I 1721 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,520 wish I could just sit them all down and 1722 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,440 watch all of these 1723 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:08,159 >> great communicated, but I can't beat 1724 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,480 nearly That's why we're we're doing 1725 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,360 this. So, Matt, we're back. 1726 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,199 >> Okay. Can you see my screen? 1727 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,040 >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. 1728 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,440 >> Okay. We're on Falcon Flow up. 1729 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,840 >> Yeah. Let me let me go through these uh 1730 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,440 quickly here. Um so, this is Falcon 1731 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,719 Climb and Wait, you Yeah, don't move it 1732 01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:30,640 down because then we're too far. That's 1733 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,040 good. Oh, no. Go back up. Anyway, we can 1734 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,280 see it. The blue line. So the blue line 1735 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,120 on the left where it hits the green 1736 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,400 line, that's where the um falcon climb 1737 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,920 starts and a lot of you in this room 1738 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,400 have walked it before it was built. And 1739 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,280 then the pink there is the Juniper 1740 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,440 hiking trail. So right now it ends where 1741 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,440 it intersects the Juniper hiking trail. 1742 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,360 People have to come onto the road and 1743 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,960 then go up to the north. So um they GCAT 1744 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,480 wasn't able to finish it um this for 1745 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,080 spring. So they will be working on again 1746 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,920 next fall. They're they're limited 1747 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,239 because of wildlife and stuff when they 1748 01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:12,560 can work on that. So anyway, um 1749 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,400 >> they're closed. 1750 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,560 >> What? They're close. Yeah, it's 1751 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,320 >> If I remember that last section, it's 1752 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,280 pretty 1753 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,159 >> relatively flat. It's close to the road. 1754 01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:22,960 So 1755 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:23,280 >> yeah, 1756 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,880 >> the hard part's done, 1757 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,480 >> I think. So maybe a little bit 1758 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:32,239 >> closer to the end, maybe. But yeah, it's 1759 01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:33,760 And they really move quickly. They got a 1760 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,600 part of it done in a like in one week 1761 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,840 they had over I think I said two miles 1762 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,679 or over a mile in one week. That's what 1763 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:43,280 it was in one a mile. Okay. Um so let's 1764 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,560 go to the next one. Matt. 1765 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,880 Okay. The dinosaur track site maybe. 1766 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,679 Okay. There we are. That's good. So um 1767 01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:54,480 this project was is complete. So this 1768 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,440 picture shows before and you see that 1769 01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,040 the boulders are back closer to the rim. 1770 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,640 You see some of the tracks on the right 1771 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:01,679 side and those are ones that were 1772 01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,000 exposed to being driven on. Go to the 1773 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,679 next slide, Matt, please. And so, this 1774 01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:08,800 is looking the other way, but the 1775 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,040 bowlers now are further away from the 1776 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,719 rim. The heavy equipment operator, Lee 1777 01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:15,840 Primman, was out there with us. Um, the 1778 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,760 uh paleontologist from the BLM, Emily 1779 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,920 Lesnner, was there as well while this 1780 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,400 was happening. And then Lee put cut in 1781 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,199 the new road there. We had to move it 1782 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,520 over. And then this is a little picture 1783 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,440 of a sign, one of the signs that is 1784 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,679 going to go up there. We have this big 1785 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:34,159 area now that's closed off and people 1786 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,800 might say, "Oh, well, why?" And there's 1787 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,400 all these different tracks in different 1788 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,800 places. So, we're thinking about I mean, 1789 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,600 this is sometime this year. We're hoping 1790 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,960 to maybe even have like a little 1791 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,520 self-guided tour on your phone where you 1792 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,480 could go and look at all the tracks. And 1793 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,719 um so anyway, this is one sign that 1794 01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:55,520 sampl will pay for. Then go to the next 1795 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,199 uh slide. And so this is looking from 1796 01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,760 the tracks and then looking toward um 1797 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,920 the booth and your the Sitler property 1798 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,320 is further away. So go to the next one. 1799 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,199 So the Sitla property there on the 1800 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,280 right, the Alasar Sarah Pod Lake tracks 1801 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,360 and then the picture on the bottom left 1802 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,000 that is the Dave Cousins was our 1803 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,719 contractor and he put all those boulders 1804 01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:23,920 out there and what we had to do was we 1805 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,719 actually broke up percentage of the 1806 01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:29,040 boulders down in the parking lot that we 1807 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,640 built like four years ago that go down 1808 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,840 to Potato Salad Hill. So Dave broke a 1809 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,840 bunch of those up and brought them out 1810 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,360 there and we still have plenty in that 1811 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,400 parking lot. 1812 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,080 >> So then where's all the parking 1813 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,280 >> if that's the trail? 1814 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,440 >> It's okay. It's It's still wide enough. 1815 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,040 Yep. Yep. Yeah, I know. We're going to 1816 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,040 see how it goes, but remember they moved 1817 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840 the road over and yeah, we were very 1818 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,040 >> cognizant of like parking and volume of 1819 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,000 people up there. Is 1820 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,120 >> there still that large area further in 1821 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,000 further to the north? No park. 1822 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,800 >> No, partially part part of that is still 1823 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,719 there. I didn't expect it to go that 1824 01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:08,080 far, but when we went out there with the 1825 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,719 paleontologist, she like, "No, it needs 1826 01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:12,480 to be protected." 1827 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:16,480 >> So, um, and Sitla paid for Dave Cousins 1828 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:18,880 contract and they paid us reimbursement 1829 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,679 for the boulders. 1830 01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:20,400 >> Awesome. 1831 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,880 >> So, we're getting about 8,500 back from 1832 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,560 them. 1833 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,080 >> So, we have more boulders for more 1834 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:26,640 places. 1835 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,640 >> More places. And then this is a picture. 1836 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,719 We were out there last Monday, not this 1837 01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:32,560 past one, but the one before with the 1838 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,960 Gastonia Club, the local paleontological 1839 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,239 club, the BLM paleontologist, myself, 1840 01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:41,040 other staff members. We spent four hours 1841 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,000 raking, I mean raking, sweeping all the 1842 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,800 tracks along the whole rim. And then the 1843 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,360 next day, a gentleman came from 1844 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,120 operations center in the regional 1845 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,760 office, I guess, of uh the BLM in 1846 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,840 Denver, and they photographed all of 1847 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,920 them. So they have a special 1848 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,400 photoggramometry which is like 3D photos 1849 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,640 and that's what they did years ago in 1850 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,719 2012 before that track was stolen. 1851 01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:08,719 They did that and that's why they were 1852 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,360 able to recreate that track afterwards. 1853 01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,520 And this one by my foot here on the 1854 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,840 right that's a reverse of a therapod 1855 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,920 track and that's pretty rare. They don't 1856 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,760 usually have them coming up. They're 1857 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,320 usually depressions. So that when I saw 1858 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,920 that I was like we've got to protect 1859 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,679 this. That was the track that made me 1860 01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,679 say, "I need to call the BL. We need to 1861 01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:29,840 get this protected." So, I mean, it had 1862 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,920 more and more was getting exposed. This 1863 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,080 is all from I mean, Molly, when you 1864 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,280 worked out there, 1865 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,640 >> were there dinosaur tracks visible yet? 1866 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,000 >> Well, yeah. But one like one even lifted 1867 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,960 like one season like, "Oh, look. We I 1868 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,360 mean like a vehicle actually hit the 1869 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,440 rock." Yeah. And so, it's like look 1870 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,520 there's they're under this layer. But I 1871 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,640 remember when we didn't even know there 1872 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:53,920 were tracks out there because they 1873 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,199 haven't been exposed yet from people 1874 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:56,400 driving. 1875 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,040 >> Yeah. 1876 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,199 >> So in five or 10 years we have to do 1877 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:00,800 something else because more will be 1878 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,920 exposed. But uh yeah anyway. Okay. 1879 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,000 What's the next one? Oh, so MTC has been 1880 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,880 really busy with us with us this spring. 1881 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,600 Uh this is a picture of a ramp that they 1882 01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,360 created. You were up there, right? Yep. 1883 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,239 And my staff and and MTC members 1884 01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:21,440 and um volunteers. And so we put about 1885 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:24,480 20 bags of cement in there and um 1886 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:25,920 covered it up. And that's the little 1887 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,440 mini that Ride with Respect has. And um 1888 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,080 so that's working really well and as far 1889 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,560 as I'm hearing. And um let's go to the 1890 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,080 next one. They also worked on um North 1891 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,880 uh Fins and Things. And you all probably 1892 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,040 remember that there's those there was 1893 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,360 four braids coming down. These were the 1894 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,199 proposals from MTC that got approved by 1895 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:48,960 the BLM and then we were able to 1896 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,560 implement them this winter. And so there 1897 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,760 was four places going down and um two of 1898 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,840 them are closed off. There's wood and 1899 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,239 signs and stuff and then a new route is 1900 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,000 the easier route before it. 1901 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:02,400 >> Yeah. 1902 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,920 >> And so this was all what was in the 1903 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,480 proposal that you guys um were in favor, 1904 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,320 you know, voted in favor of. 1905 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,400 >> And so that that seems to be working 1906 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,120 really well. Trees are better protected 1907 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,840 now. And then they also, this wasn't 1908 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,199 even on the list, but I had been 1909 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,679 thinking about this and so was Cliff. 1910 01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:21,679 And um, were you out there that day, 1911 01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:25,120 too? And so this is like coming out of 1912 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,679 campground F, you have the crazy hill 1913 01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:29,280 climb on Fins and Things or you can go 1914 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,280 to the left, the easier. And so there 1915 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,440 was a hole there and they filled that 1916 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,080 all in. And then the one on the left 1917 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,600 side is up top before you drop down into 1918 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,760 Raptor parking. People were rubbing 1919 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,199 their vehicles, the bottom of their 1920 01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,440 vehicles there, so they chipped that 1921 01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:46,320 away. 1922 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,639 >> Knife edged. Yeah, it was blind. You 1923 01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:49,920 didn't really see it. So, that was a 1924 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,560 good 1925 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,080 >> That was a good one. What are you 1926 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,679 showing that 1927 01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,280 >> section that they fixed? 1928 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,040 >> Yes. Thank you. That's right in there. 1929 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:57,679 Yep. 1930 01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:00,320 >> That's where it at the top there. 1931 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,960 >> And I just wrote it last week and it's 1932 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,560 100 times better. 1933 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,159 >> Yeah. And that's where that um Jeep is 1934 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:10,639 going to be on that loop. Yep. 1935 01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,800 there on the right. Okay, thanks for 1936 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,120 pulling that up. And what else do I 1937 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,520 have? Uh, let's see. Is there any more? 1938 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,400 Oh, like fins was completed and Molly 1939 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,719 was up there and Mark was up there and 1940 01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:24,719 thank you. And um 1941 01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:26,880 >> that's Zane's child. 1942 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,679 >> Oh, all right. Thanks. Yeah, 1943 01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:34,639 Z was up there. Yeah. And SA staff. So 1944 01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:38,400 that's all there going. I haven't walked 1945 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:39,760 out there yet. I gotta get out there, 1946 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,440 Molly, when you talk to me. 1947 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,480 >> Sorry. It's okay. 1948 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:44,159 >> No, no. I have it on my list. I'm gonna 1949 01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,639 do it. Maybe tomorrow. I'm done with all 1950 01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,480 this paperwork. Okay. What's the next 1951 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,280 one? 1952 01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,199 Oh, just to give you statistics, you 1953 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:54,880 know, our counters, we have almost 1954 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,560 60,000 vehicles on Hell's Bend, nearly 1955 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,520 40,000 on Fins and Things each year. And 1956 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,280 then I have some new data on the next 1957 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,120 one, Matt. 1958 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,360 Okay. So, this is a little small, but 1959 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,280 Slick Rock bike trail data, we put in 1960 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,000 new counters April of last year. So, 1961 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,960 close to 50,000 were on Slick Rock in 1962 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,840 the nine months. So, we missed January, 1963 01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,520 February, March. And then the same thing 1964 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,719 with Falcon and Flow, 20,000 in nine 1965 01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:25,920 months last year. 1966 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,440 >> How does the counter not count you 1967 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,480 twice? Like if you go on and come off 1968 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:31,280 like on 1969 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:32,560 >> uh We divide it. Okay. 1970 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:33,520 >> We divide the total. 1971 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:33,840 >> Yeah. 1972 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,679 Yeah. It was 100,000, 1973 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:38,480 >> right? So yeah. Yeah. But for Finn, I 1974 01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:40,400 mean for Falcon, the counter for Falcon 1975 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,199 is up at the upper. So I shouldn't even 1976 01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:45,600 say really Falcon because yes, it's 1977 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,000 Falcon, but it also has people coming 1978 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,920 doing the whole wrapped around. I change 1979 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,679 how I have that. 1980 01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:53,840 >> Okay. And then what's I think I'm done. 1981 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,920 I just have this slide that says thank 1982 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,440 you for helping tech sampl. And I think 1983 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:02,480 that's it. Hey, I have a concern though 1984 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:04,880 I want to raise with everybody there 1985 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,440 with the new dinosaur tracks. You know, 1986 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:10,480 um I don't know if you guys know this. A 1987 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,199 lot of people with because of our 1988 01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,000 smartphones are finding googling 1989 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,159 dinosaur tracks. The closest dinosaur 1990 01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:21,440 tracks to the town of Moab is up at 1991 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:23,679 Hell's Revenge. And last year we had a 1992 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:27,199 lady drive her minivan with her daughter 1993 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:30,159 out on the first spin thinking that she 1994 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,239 can get her little minivan out there to 1995 01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:34,159 the dinosaur tracks. 1996 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:36,639 >> So one one of the things I'm concerned 1997 01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:40,320 about is we should create a bike p you 1998 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,000 guys can see my screen 1999 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,480 >> from the slick rock a a a hiking trail 2000 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,040 to the dinosaur tracks through the slick 2001 01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,800 rock parking lot you know so people 2002 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,400 could hike out there. When I 2003 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,800 investigated it, it's very deep sand and 2004 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,960 people don't like deep sand, but I tried 2005 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,040 to find a more of a slick rock route. 2006 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,800 It'll be challenging because there's 2007 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,960 deep. It's up and down, but but I worked 2008 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:01,520 on it. 2009 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,280 >> But that was Matt, that was something 2010 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,400 that was uh Tyson had put some kind of, 2011 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,400 you know, bike trail and pedestrian 2012 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,880 trail in there as part of that master 2013 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,199 plan. And I thought I had the master 2014 01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:13,920 plan on here 2015 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,320 >> and then I brought this is more family 2016 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,960 oriented hiking biking but then when I 2017 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,400 worked on it twice I'm like they're not 2018 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,760 gonna like the deep sand. 2019 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,520 >> Yeah. Well the um emergency route 2020 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,120 >> right and but the master plan has been 2021 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,440 tabled. Remember we talked about the 2022 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,880 >> Yeah. But I'm with you Matt. or you need 2023 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,719 um something from you can't do it. 2024 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,280 >> Little little lion's back cuz it's too 2025 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,520 steep. But people are w trying to walk 2026 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,840 all over there to get to them. 2027 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,239 >> Yeah. It just I mean just it was you 2028 01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:50,960 know just scary seeing people with their 2029 01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,480 regular vehicles trying to drive to the 2030 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:57,280 dinosaur track or or they even ask about 2031 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,440 it. How do we get to the the dinosaur 2032 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:02,400 tracks? It's just like, oh, okay. 2033 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,840 >> 4x4 only, 2034 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,000 >> right? 4x4 only. And what we have at the 2035 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,840 booth is we do have all the other 2036 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,520 dinosa, you know, information on the 2037 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,840 other dinosaur tracks to take them to 2038 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,159 other places. Uh, so, you know, if 2039 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,000 they're in a car because we don't want 2040 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,199 pedestrians going out. 2041 01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:19,520 >> Is there a way to get there to take it 2042 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:20,320 off? 2043 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,080 >> I tried. Jason tried. 2044 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,679 >> Okay. 2045 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:26,000 >> Notice Google Maps comes up in all these 2046 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,239 >> Yeah. has called them a few times and 2047 01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,639 he's and it doesn't hasn't worked. He 2048 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:31,760 says, "Yeah, it doesn't really work." 2049 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,239 Well, I tried for years to get them not 2050 01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,360 to drive up to the EMS center. Well, 2051 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,320 thinking they could go up to Sand Flax, 2052 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,920 >> I mean, because we had our offices there 2053 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,120 and they would come up there all the 2054 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,159 time. I don't think they have as much a 2055 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:45,360 problem because I do have that one sign 2056 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,960 at the bottom of the hill that says, you 2057 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,199 know, Slick Rock Bike Trail this way. 2058 01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:50,719 >> Um, well, anyway, it's something to 2059 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:53,440 definitely think about. Um, and it was 2060 01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,760 there was a trail that Tyson had put in 2061 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,880 for 2062 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,960 >> That's the rescue. Well, it wasn't like 2063 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,840 that. No, it can't be there because my 2064 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,310 visitor center's going back there. Matt, 2065 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,000 » go like this. Probably 2066 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,310 >> the back of the visitor center. 2067 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,800 » But why wouldn't that be good? 2068 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,320 >> No, actually it would be a good idea. 2069 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,120 But I got to say for most out of shape 2070 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,639 people there's a little bit of an 2071 01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,920 incline that last half. 2072 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:24,400 >> Yeah. 2073 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:25,840 If they're really it's definitely 2074 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,520 be an intermediate trail. It would be 2075 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,320 like an easy 2076 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,400 >> My personal take I think it would be a 2077 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,000 huge asset for Sands Flats to have hey 2078 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,679 come up and walk out to the dinosaur 2079 01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:38,159 tracks. 2080 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,159 >> Me too. 2081 01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,159 So, I was working on a route that would 2082 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:45,520 stay on the rock and I failed. But I did 2083 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,440 find that Tyson route. 2084 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,600 >> This rock in here. 2085 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:50,320 >> Yeah, 2086 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,840 >> it's too much up and down. I hike in 2087 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,639 there all the time. 2088 01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:54,400 >> Lots of steep stuff, but I was working 2089 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,600 on it. 2090 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,120 >> Yeah, that's all up and down in there. 2091 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,040 That's always where I would take my dog. 2092 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,760 >> Just trying to be more on rock. 2093 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,040 >> Yeah. 2094 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,480 >> Well, we have to find out like a search 2095 01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,239 and rescue route. I mean, that's what 2096 01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:08,480 exists right now. 2097 01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,400 um as a route that's there. But yeah, it 2098 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,560 is sometimes the sand is really deep. 2099 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,480 It's not that bad though. I mean, I walk 2100 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,120 too long, 2101 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,159 >> right? So, what would be wrong with just 2102 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:18,639 um 2103 01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,560 >> directing them on the on search and 2104 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:20,960 rescue 2105 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,480 >> or making existing search and rescue 2106 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:22,800 route 2107 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,800 >> or joining it? We could join it here 2108 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,840 grant do a boardwalk to it. 2109 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,880 >> Not that bad. The bad. I mean, I walk it 2110 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,560 all the time with the dog. It's not that 2111 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,280 bad. So, I mean, this just makes it a 2112 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,040 little longer. So, this just makes it 2113 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,080 shorter for them. 2114 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,719 >> Well, it might be easier to just like, 2115 01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:45,040 >> you know, say, "Oh, let's see if the BLM 2116 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,800 lets us designate the search and rescue 2117 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,880 route as a 2118 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,280 access for a thing." And then then with 2119 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,600 the master plan, you know, what Tyson 2120 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,360 was going to design in there, maybe is 2121 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,360 that because that's table for now. 2122 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,159 >> Yeah. 2123 01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,080 >> Uh, can't make life. Well, let's put 2124 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,400 that on the agenda or something because 2125 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,800 I did bring it up last year. 2126 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:05,360 >> You did 2127 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,199 >> to try to get more hiking, biking for 2128 01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,960 families off of a parking lot 2129 01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,239 >> that went into the 2130 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:12,239 >> Yeah. And the master plan was 2131 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,280 >> did um talk about Tyson talked about a 2132 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,600 trail there for Yeah. And I I go back 2133 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,440 and look at that actually and see how it 2134 01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:21,840 >> I just dropped it this winter because I 2135 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,760 thought people wouldn't like the sand 2136 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,040 like little kids. It's like 2137 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,870 >> little kids silk. All 2138 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,400 right. Well, it's uh 4:35. We better um 2139 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,520 I think I'm done. We can adjourn. 2140 01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,679 All right. Thank you everyone for your 2141 01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,840 time. And that's a good idea. 2142 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,679 >> Thanks, Matt, for bringing that up. 2143 01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,440 >> Thank you, Matt. 2144 01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:47,440 >> Yeah. Yeah. Let me end the meeting 2145 01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:49,360 properly. Hold on here. 2146 01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,880 >> Well, Matt's gonna Oh, he's got to end 2147 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,880 it. Okay. 2148 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,840 >> Uh if I can find it. I got too many 2149 01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:00,719 windows open. There it is. Uh, 2150 01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:04,159 >> stop the recording. Here we go.