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we see the 5th of May and those present

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are same as they were during closed

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session with the addition of Mr. Adler.

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And with that, we will stand for the

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right, thank you and we will start

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off with our 4:00 p.m. citizens to be

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heard. So,

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folks that want to come up and talk,

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when you are called up, please introduce

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yourselves and

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keep your talks will keep us on

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So, yes, ma'am.

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» So, my name is Gail Beaterman. I'm one

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homeowners on the Spanish Valley Trail

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um multi-use bike path

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and I wanted to introduce myself.

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Gail Beaterman, my husband

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um Larry Gorella was an avid cyclist

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that

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had been coming to Moab for 30-some 30

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um when he was in the ski season

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and bought this house in 2005

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I wanted you all to kind of put a face

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with when you look at the plat maps and

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see what's involved. Um, I

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My husband was a very big cyclist. In

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fact, he died mountain biking in Park

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City. He had a cardiac arrest in 2023.

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but he died doing what he loved and

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that's why he

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bought the house in Moab.

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I'm a big proponent of cycling and

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safety for cyclists and and that is why

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so it brought so many people like us

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from different parts of the country to

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live in Moab and why

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I chose after Larry died to sell the

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house in Salt Lake and become a

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full-time resident here. So, I moved

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here full-time

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in June. I sold my house in Salt Lake

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and moved down here in June of last

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year.

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So, this is kind of my

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Well, it is my forever retirement home

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I wasn't aware of the bike path until

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the guy I would

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going to do some xeriscaping landscaping

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in my front yard and my fix-it guy went

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down to look at some of the property

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lines and said, "Gail, you've got a bike

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path coming through your front yard."

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um, my house is if you haven't driven

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by, I would encourage all of you to

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drive by.

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substantially impacted because the

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corner of my house comes within 18 ft of

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this bike path.

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big proponent, but it is going to

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change the value of my house

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with the with it so close to the house.

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want to encourage all of you to drive

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by, to stop in, walk it. It's staked

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right now where you can see the the

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multi-use bike path will go. And um

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a face with the

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when you're looking at this

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chunk of change I'm sure you're all you

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know toying with, but it's going to

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because of the close proximity of my

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house, I've just spent a lot of money on

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windows and and putting a new roof on my

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house, and the closeness of it is kind

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greatly impacting my quality. So, I

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would encourage any all of you to come

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working with that on you. And

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our condolences for your loss.

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>> Thank you.

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>> And any of your husband, Gail. Larry the

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legend we called him in the

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are welcome.

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» I'm Mary O'Brien in Castle Valley.

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In a few moments, residents of Grand

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County will hear a summary of the

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Gardner Institute report

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regarding whether Arches National Park

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timed entry was lowering the profits of

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some businesses in Grand County.

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paid for this will even get to read the

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report for themselves.

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based on real curiosity

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as to whether timed entry affected the

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profits of the local businesses.

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part of a statewide effort to dominate

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Arches National Park

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and to show the park supervisor and

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staff that their public decision-making

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processes about travel management are

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subject to county nullification.

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a minority in Utah to dominate, control,

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Arches National Park was ordered to halt

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timed entry.

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an Arches access and capacity

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enhancement plan was presented to the

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supervisor of Arches in a meeting with

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state officials and other county

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commissioners who were also presenting

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their plans to tell their adjacent

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national park how they should let people

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come into their park.

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report, commissioners Winfield and

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Martinez have begun to seek funds for a

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shuttle into Arches National Park to

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supplement cars and RVs.

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Institute who simply did a study they

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» Thank you. Do we have anyone else? Yes,

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» Hi, I'm Andrew Jackson. I'm just doing

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my annual PSA. Um, May is designated as

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skin cancer awareness month, a time

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dedicated to promoting sun safe

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sun safety, early detection, and

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education about the most common form of

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cancer.

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You may know I've had a 15-year battle

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with skin cancer, but it really hasn't

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been a battle. I just surrendered

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territory.

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and every day at the lake, and every day

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at the ocean and the pool. And um

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they were fun times. So, at least I had

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a fun time getting cancer.

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include melanoma Monday, which was

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before Memorial Day. It's important to

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not get sunburned.

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okay, but the burn is the problem. Thank

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Anybody online? I should check.

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go into Who do we have doing employee

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recognition here?

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't see

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your face back there.

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already, that Chris Kauffman was given

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an Affiliate of the Year award

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that when we were doing considerations.

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Treasurer Kauffman. He does an amazing

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saying that our wonderful Grand Center

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employees actually didn't want um

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individual recognition. They were they

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were uh very very humble about this. So,

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behalf of the county to the entire Grand

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Grand Center team's incredible work and

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coordinated response during an emergency

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incident. Last week, a Grand Center

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employee arrived at a senior's home to

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provide scheduled transportation.

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the employee jumped into action by

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immediately contacting the senior's

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emergency contact and their fellow Grand

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successful contact with the senior's

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family. Because of this swift and

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coordinated response, the senior's

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family was notified promptly and

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contacted emergency medical services.

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Grand Center services and staff offer to

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our community's senior citizens.

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compassion, and responsibility with

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which they approach their work.

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» Very nice. Thank you.

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help with their presentation. This um

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feedback back and forth, and was

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commissioned by the commission here. And

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so, we thought it appropriate that they

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present their findings to the commission

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here. And then from here, they will then

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go out into the public and people will

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have an opportunity to dig into it at

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their Well, so

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thank you, Mr. Dean, and feel free to

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take it away.

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» Thank you. Appreciate the chance to

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>> Great.

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So, uh Mr. Chair, members of the

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commission, Phil Dean with the Kem C.

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Gardner Policy Institute. I'm the

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research director and chief economist

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here, and first of all, just want to say

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how great it is to join with you today

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and share the findings uh from our

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recently completed report. Um

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so, I plan to walk through the main

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findings here in some slides,

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and then uh at the end of the chair's

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discretion,

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uh happy to respond uh to questions from

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the commission members.

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Uh one thing I do want to uh touch on a

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little bit before I jump in on the

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slides themselves, uh is something that

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we value a lot here at the Gardner

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Institute, that we work very hard

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uh

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to be a credible independent voice. And

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so,

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as in fact, one of our committable core

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values

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uh is research integrity uh and

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relevance.

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And uh you know, as as I've been

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involved in this study and worked with

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our our team on that, I feel very

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strongly that our team delivered on

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that. I know there's a lot of questions

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and a lot of back and forth about all of

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this,

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but but I hope you know that um we've

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given our level best in in giving you a

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credible um reasonable estimate. Now,

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one of the challenges when you're doing

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econometric estimates is they are

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estimates, right? And and so uh Michael

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Hogan and the team members that I'll uh

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talk about here in a minute,

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you know, makes this comparison that I

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think is very apt uh to you're doing an

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appraisal. Uh maybe even just like your

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county assessor does an appraisal uh for

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property tax purposes. Uh at the end of

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the day, you don't with certainty uh

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know what every single property will sell for uh

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given a willing buyer, willing seller

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situation,

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but uh the estimates are trying to get

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at that. And And again, I want to go

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back to that. We've given you our best

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thinking and analysis. Uh we hope it's

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um

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presents uh a series of data points that

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you can look at uh as you make decisions

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uh about what what to do best for your

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county. Uh and we know there going to be

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other data points out there that you're

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also going to look at as you do that,

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and that that's great. Like we're we're

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just giving you our best thinking. I

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hope you understand that context um that that that's what we're doing.

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So, with that um

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just want to kind of touch briefly on

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our uh our team that worked on this

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report. Uh so, John Downen, our senior

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research fellow, Michael Hogan, our

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senior research statistician, Jennifer

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Leaver, who's our senior tourism

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analyst, and Nate Lloyd, that's the the

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director of economic research here,

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uh

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put a lot of time and and effort in into

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kind of looking at

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uh what happened. I want to give them

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kudos uh for the for the work that they

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did.

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So, now

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again, just talking a little bit about

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the basic context of this report,

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looking at timed entry and what happens.

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And the report goes through all of this

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in in much more detail. I'm just hitting

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on some of the high points here.

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As we work through some of the pieces,

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so Arches that began in 2022

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show some of the other places where

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timed entry has happened

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throughout the nation.

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And I want to like I know you know

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these areas very well that we're

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highlighting here. But I but I want to

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use the visual to kind of highlight

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two separate but related things we're

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looking at. So one is Arches National

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Park itself and looking

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at visitation there.

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And and so that's the the one study

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area. And then the second study area is

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the broader Grand County

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and looking at that broader economy.

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And so we'll kind of talk about some of

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the basic data. It's

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So some of this we're working from

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actual data. So we see what actually

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happened.

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Others are estimates of of actual data.

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And then others are different types of

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estimates that that we'll talk about

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where we're trying to estimate a

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counterfactual

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that that didn't in fact occur but but

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it's our best estimate looking at the

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data of what we would have what we think

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would have occurred in the absence

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of a timed entry system. So it's

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Again, it's

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just try to keep those clear. I know for

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me sometimes they melt together thinking

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about

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you know, the broader geography versus

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the more narrow geography and looking at

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little bit different you know, pieces of

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data there.

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So to start with our first key finding,

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one is that Grand County has had

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positive

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economic growth.

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So we do these comparisons uh when we're

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looking at dollar amounts, these are are

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in inflation-adjusted terms. Uh, so it's

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not just nominal increases, but

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inflation-adjusted increase.

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And uh across a broad array of standard

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economic indicators, we see economic

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growth uh took place in Grand Grand

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County

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um between 22 and 2022 and 2024, which

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is our um our main period of analysis

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um for the post timed entry

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period. So in inflation-adjusted terms

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uh

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20 over 22% uh increase in visitor

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spending within Grand County, uh jobs at

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over 16% uh and if you just look at the

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private sector jobs at almost 20% uh

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higher than than the pre timed entry uh

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analysis period. And then related to

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that economic growth, uh we see higher

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uh

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higher tax collections that that's

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coming from that visitor spending.

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So just uh in each of these uh findings,

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I'll kind of just hit on a couple of the

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high points of the graphs that are in

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there. Again, it's uh

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quite a a robust report with a lot of

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details here. Uh so you can uh

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you can read through all of uh the fun

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details uh in the you know, 30-plus page

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report uh that that really is chock-full

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uh of a bunch of different data points

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that again, we hope are of use to you.

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Uh so this one here looks at total

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visitor spending.

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Um and so one of the challenges in doing

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this analysis is how we deal with the

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pandemic time period.

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Uh and it's not only an issue in this

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study, but other studies, uh other

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forecasts we do, just because of

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the anomalies that took place in 2020

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and 2021. And so that's why those are

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grayed out there and it is one of the

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challenges of this that that timed entry

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then begins in the aftermath um of that.

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So,

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the the comparison that we do then is

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compare the 2017 to 2019 period uh to

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the 2022 to 2024 time period and see

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what the differences are. So, um

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again, I want to reiterate these are in

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inflation in inflation-adjusted

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dollars.

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Uh and and you see that pre-timed entry

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average time period

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uh $373 million

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on average in total visitor spending

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within the county to uh

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456 over 450 million in the post-timed

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entry period.

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Um so, we note this uh in the report.

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You do see a decline uh a relatively

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small decline, but it is a decline

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between 22 and 2024 in that um

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post-timed entry average, but even so,

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uh that you know, 2024

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time period uh is still well above the

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pre-

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um

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>> [snorts]

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>> the pre-timed entry uh average that

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we're using uh for that comparison.

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Um I'm not going to go through all of

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these in detail, but just know that this

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detail is uh in the report, but again,

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uh kind of showing private sector jobs,

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public jobs, uh tourism jobs, visitor

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spending, and then related uh state and

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local

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tax revenue. And then elsewhere in the

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report, we kind of have breakdowns of of

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some of that.

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Um another another way of looking at an

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economy and how it's doing uh is jobs

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and uh what what's taking place just in

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the count of jobs. And so that's what's

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what this is showing and this is that

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16% um growth from the pre-timed entry

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analysis period to the post-timed entry

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analysis period.

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So then transitioning to key finding two

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is uh the Arches uh did have lower

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visitation, but uh there was higher park

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visitation in Grand County

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uh more broadly. And so um

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just in terms of of the counties, we see

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these drops uh

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in the '22 to '24 time period uh

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at Arches, about 9% uh lower. Um

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the '22 to '24 time period was also

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lower than 2016. Um

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and then

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as as you broaden that lens or you

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broaden the scope and look at that, if

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you combine not only look at not only

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Arches, but then also combine in

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Canyonlands and Dead Horse

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um

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Point,

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the total visitation actually increased

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in the county at those parks and then

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kind of later uh you we did have the

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Utah Raptor uh park come in but come

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online, but we're excluding that because

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it wasn't around uh in the pre-pandemic

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uh or the or the pre-timed entry um

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time period. So again, lower Arches

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visitation, but higher overall uh state

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and national park um

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visitation.

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And again, I'm not going to go through

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the details uh of of all of this, but

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even with those three, if we had Utah

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Raptor, it would presumably make these

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numbers and that growth rate a little

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bit higher. Um that that we did see

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increases uh in park visitation, but we

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also did see decreases uh in Arches

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um visitation.

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And so this is just a graph visualizing

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that data.

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Uh the red being Arches National Park

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and then the other four national parks

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in Utah being shown in the different

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colors. Uh

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I think it is important to note that

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every other national park uh in the

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state of Utah did see uh increases in

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the

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um post-timed entry time period uh where

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Arches was essentially flat um you know,

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a little increase and then some

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decrease, but essentially flat uh where

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we did see increases in the post-timed

561
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,480
entry part uh in the other national

562
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,030
parks within the state of Utah.

563
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,560
So, the the you know, what we've talked

564
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,360
about so far are estimates of data or

565
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,120
hard actual data um kind of those

566
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,680
combined. So, this is where we get into

567
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,160
more statistical modeling

568
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,280
where where we try to estimate

569
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,160
um

570
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,080
more precisely some of the effects uh of

571
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,400
timed entry itself. Um

572
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,760
and so uh this essentially comes up with

573
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,120
uh the methodology is to have a

574
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,040
counterfactual

575
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,360
um visitation given historical data and

576
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,520
kind of pulling in uh data from other

577
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,800
parks that did not have

578
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,360
uh a timed entry and we looked at it not

579
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,920
only one way, but a host of ways uh for

580
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,640
visitation as well as for

581
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,560
uh some of the uh economic variables and

582
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,520
that's all again spelled out in detail

583
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,320
in the report itself. So, this shows um

584
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,080
that uh counterfactual. So, first of

585
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,600
all, the gray is showing the actual um

586
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,240
Arches park visitation.

587
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,200
Uh and then the red is this

588
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,760
counterfactual estimate. And so, what

589
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,120
you try to do with these uh econometric

590
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,440
models is try to match up those lines as

591
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,000
closely as possible. Try to take the

592
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,280
data that we have uh and and

593
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,880
essentially fit a trend line

594
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,800
to what actually happened. And as you'll

595
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,360
see with the red this counterfactual

596
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:12,280
using this other data does

597
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,040
fairly closely approximate what happened

598
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,680
in Arches since 1990 through that time

599
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,560
dented period. And so then that carries

600
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,640
forward into the post time dented

601
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,480
time period.

602
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,680
We also include other model variants. So

603
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,280
this is the one that we think is our

604
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000
best estimate of what the counterfactual

605
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
showing there in the red what the

606
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,440
counterfactual Arches visitation would

607
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,000
have looked like. But we also included a

608
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,280
number

609
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,000
of different models, right? There are

610
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,560
different ways to estimate that this.

611
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720
And this is showing the interquartile

612
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,680
range or the middle 50% of these other

613
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,120
alternative model variations.

614
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,560
And they show you know it's not exactly

615
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,400
the same as the red line but it's still

616
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,120
fairly similar to what's taking place

617
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,240
there. And then we compare that to what

618
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,680
actually happens and and that difference

619
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,680
is what we're talking about. We we think

620
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520
there's about a 14% difference between

621
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,320
what we're estimating would have

622
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520
happened in Arches otherwise versus what

623
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,560
actually did happen.

624
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,080
There's foregone visitor spending

625
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200
associated with that

626
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200
under what we call a ceteris paribus

627
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,640
analysis

628
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,560
which means just all else equal. Now I

629
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,280
do think this is a really important

630
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,840
thing to highlight. This isn't what

631
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,840
actually happened. As we talked about

632
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,960
before that that we did see increases in

633
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,160
visitor spending meaning like other conditions changed, right? But

634
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,280
this is just a if nothing else changed

635
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,280
analysis this is what we estimate would

636
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,120
have happened.

637
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,880
So that's my high-level overview

638
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,960
Uh uh

639
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,640
of of our report. Again, there's much

640
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,360
more detail

641
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,960
in the report itself. And at the chair's

642
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,560
discretion, I'm happy to respond to

643
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
questions.

644
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,440
>> Yeah, thank you for walking us through

645
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,160
that, Mr. Dean.

646
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,280
A couple of notes before we get into

647
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,480
questions. If we have any real

648
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680
high-level questions that we would like

649
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,360
to send, we would like them sent in

650
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,360
writing to the Kem C. Gardner Institute.

651
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:24,880
Uh there were a lot of different people

652
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,880
involved in this study, and

653
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,080
hoping that Mr. Dean can answer any of

654
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,800
our questions that might involve other

655
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,360
people. Well, if they're real deep,

656
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,320
please put those in an email to the

657
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,200
institute. Also, just for some

658
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,120
background, all of the commissioners

659
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,040
were given the opportunity to ask

660
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
questions, and I believe everyone did

661
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440
during after we received the draft

662
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,520
report. And so, there were multiple

663
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,680
opportunities for the commission to ask

664
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,080
questions and receive answers to those

665
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,160
questions, and

666
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680
I want to just thank you for the fact

667
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,360
that answers that you did give were very

668
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,160
in-depth, and it appeared that

669
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960
everybody's questions were taken to

670
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
heart, and I just appreciate the fact of

671
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,600
what you did at the Kem C. Gardner to

672
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,000
try and meet

673
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,360
seven very different people's opinions

674
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,040
on how this report should have came out.

675
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,280
So, questions, anyone?

676
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Commissioner McCreary?

677
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,800
No?

678
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,280
>> Thank you for the report. Uh I mean, we

679
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,640
can all sit here and say, we think this, but an in-depth study

680
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,080
really gave a

681
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400
I mean, stark review of the total uh

682
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,990
totality.

683
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,280
» I just got one quick question real

684
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:43,800
quick.

685
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,360
>> Sure, Commissioner Martinez.

686
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,760
>> So, thank you, Phil. Um so, under 3A on

687
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960
the MOU I'm sorry, the MOA, it says

688
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080
provide a detailed estimate of annual

689
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600
visitor spending in Grand County pre-

690
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400
and post-implementation of timed entry

691
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,520
with post-implementation comparisons

692
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,960
between actual and counterfactual

693
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,360
scenarios.

694
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Can you give me that value?

695
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
>> Let me try to find out. I believe we

696
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,240
have So, some of some of the

697
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,880
counterfactual we have in the body of

698
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,320
the report and some of it shows up at

699
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760
the end of the report.

700
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,720
And I know on each of these if if I

701
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,160
can't find it right now, we will get

702
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880
that to you because I know we have that

703
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,000
we had essentially mapped out everything

704
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,120
in the MOU to to what was in the report.

705
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:38,070
Um

706
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640
So, in the when we're looking at some of

707
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,680
the economic indicators on like page 11

708
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,760
through 14

709
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,560
include some of that and then then

710
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:58,190
there's also additional detail um

711
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,200
And let's see, looks like appendix F

712
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,480
starting

713
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
on page 26.

714
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040
And as I I'm happy to to send again we

715
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
have this mapped out what was in the MOU

716
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840
which sections of the report. I'm happy

717
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,480
to send that.

718
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Um

719
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640
But like on so table F

720
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,320
uh

721
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,320
like the more detailed tables F3, F4

722
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,400
>> told that it was going to be in the

723
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:37,190
center of the center's paradise.

724
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,520
» Yeah, and I'll have to follow up on

725
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,110
that.

726
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,040
» Thank you.

727
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,000
>> Okay, and we'll we'll make sure he gets

728
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200
that to you in actual email and then

729
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,720
it'll be accurate for you, but we

730
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,280
appreciate that and Commissioner Hadeen.

731
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,680
>> Uh

732
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,320
>> Yeah, and again, sorry, if I could just

733
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,480
go back to that. Uh there's

734
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,880
like I I think much of what what you're

735
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,640
talking about is in those like detailed

736
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,440
tables in Appendix F.

737
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,720
>> Okay.

738
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Commissioner Hadeen.

739
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,320
>> Oh, sure. This This question is more for

740
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,800
um Commissioner McCandless. And thank

741
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,320
you, Mr. Dean, for for your

742
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,000
presentation. Um

743
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,480
when we state that we're going to put

744
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,040
this out to the public, are we going to

745
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,920
attach it to this agenda so that the

746
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360
public knows where to go to find that?

747
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,280
>> Yeah, we are going to attach it to this

748
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,480
agenda and also we are going to release

749
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,440
it on our website and share it online on

750
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520
our Facebook on our social media pages

751
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,800
the links as well.

752
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
>> And are we uh Mr. Dean, can we share

753
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
your presentation also? Is that

754
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,360
possible?

755
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,680
>> Yes. Yeah, I'm happy to send send a copy

756
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,040
of it.

757
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,120
>> Wonderful. Thank you.

758
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,960
>> largely just what's in the

759
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800
but a condensed version of what's in the

760
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,440
report.

761
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,040
>> Yeah. Yeah, that'd be great though.

762
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Thank you.

763
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160
>> Anyone else?

764
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,760
>> I was going to ask the same question.

765
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,600
>> Okay.

766
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,680
>> Sorry.

767
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960
I had a lot of people calling

768
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,800
questions, wanted to know when they got

769
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,720
to see the report, so

770
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,720
>> Yep. As soon as after this presentation,

771
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
they get to see it.

772
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Anybody else?

773
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Mr. Dean, we appreciate your time. I

774
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,880
heard that Jennifer was signing on also,

775
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
but I don't see her on there, but if she

776
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,800
is in fact listening, we appreciate both

777
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,000
of you and your help and participation

778
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800
in this process.

779
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,600
>> Thanks. I appreciate that. Appreciate

780
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,880
the chance to work with you and it looks

781
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,360
like I know Jenny's had a number of

782
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,840
things she's juggling today. It looks

783
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,480
like she did just hop on, but uh thanks

784
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,880
again for the chance to work with you

785
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,680
and and we'll get that a copy of my

786
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,360
slides and and just kind of the

787
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,800
crosswalk

788
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,400
over to you.

789
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920
>> Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it

790
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,280
and we will move on to the next item.

791
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,680
>> Thank you.

792
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
>> I don't see

793
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120
future considerations point or our

794
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880
disclosures on this unless I'm missing

795
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,320
it.

796
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,320
>> Should be doing part part 10 of the

797
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,000
presentation.

798
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
>> Okay.

799
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,200
He had a Bart online?

800
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400
>> He is online. He had an inner obligation

801
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,360
that we needed to get him to.

802
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,960
>> All right, so we will move forward with

803
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,000
Bart and an update from him. Thank you,

804
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,040
Bart.

805
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
>> Thank you.

806
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,960
>> Phil, just for clarification, is that is

807
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680
that or Steven, is that the discussion

808
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,280
item?

809
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120
>> Sure. It it is discussion item number

810
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,080
two, discussion of options for

811
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,680
>> the proceeding land use change

812
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,520
applications during land use code update

813
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,280
process.

814
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:40,600
>> Yeah.

815
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,920
>> And Bart's going to give you the road

816
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,800
map and walk us through it.

817
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,840
>> Thank you, Bart. This is getting away.

818
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,040
>> Thank you.

819
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,400
I was asked to talk a lot about um

820
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,520
sort of vested rights and moratorium and

821
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680
how those two interrelate and how they

822
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800
interact with changes to the land use

823
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,200
code. So, as many of you know, when the

824
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,760
commission is considering updating land

825
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,560
use zoning,

826
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,320
that as soon as it's formally initiated

827
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
takes effect. And so,

828
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120
any applications that come in after that

829
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520
begins can be considered under the new

830
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,840
code if that new code would prohibit the

831
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,760
use that the application is coming in

832
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,720
under.

833
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,440
This sometimes begs the question as to

834
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,320
whether the governmental entity should

835
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,320
pass some sort of resolution stating,

836
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,360
"Hey, we're we're starting the clock now

837
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,280
on the new zone uh just so everyone is

838
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,520
aware of it. And so, I'm kind of going

839
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,840
to walk through what the vested rights

840
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080
doctrine is, how it's been codified in

841
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,560
Utah law,

842
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,840
what moratoria are, they're distinct but

843
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,399
they're also interrelated with the

844
00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:51,480
vested rights doctrine, how that's been

845
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600
codified under Utah law, and then we can

846
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,480
kind of get to the timing issue uh that

847
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,160
I was presented the question with. And

848
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520
if you have any questions or or comments

849
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,920
you want to ask it during this time,

850
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,280
feel free. I'm just kind of going by the

851
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,320
general guidelines that I was given. So,

852
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,840
um first, just by way of background how

853
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,640
all this developed, the vested rights

854
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
doctrine is a common law doctrine. Um

855
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,960
so, what happened is under common law,

856
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,320
whenever a landowner submitted an

857
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600
application, they were entitled to have

858
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
the application considered under the law

859
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,120
as it was at the time that they applied.

860
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,440
So, it prevented surprise, it encouraged

861
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,640
predictability, um it prevented the

862
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,200
government from changing the rules when

863
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,760
they didn't like the applicant or they

864
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,240
didn't like the application. Um the

865
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,560
state codified this under Utah law, and

866
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000
what that did is it created a sort of a

867
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,040
race where the government always lost

868
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640
because um anytime the government

869
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480
started considering a change to law, it

870
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,000
would have to go through process. So,

871
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,960
you'd have to go to the planning

872
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,320
commission, and by the time the law

873
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,880
actually was changed, anyone who wanted

874
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,480
to develop their land in a way that was

875
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440
going to be prohibited would run to uh

876
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,600
the government, submit their

877
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,240
applications, and get their get their

878
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,640
projects approved. So, you know, there

879
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,000
wasn't there was this lag time between

880
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,800
when the government decided it needed to

881
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,320
prohibit something and when it was able

882
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,120
to actually prohibit it. And during that

883
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,440
time, that gap, a lot of developers

884
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,280
would get approved on the projects that

885
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,320
were going to be prohibited. So, in

886
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,360
order to adjust for that, a couple of

887
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,320
exceptions were imposed by law uh to the

888
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,520
common law doctrine of vested rights.

889
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,600
And one of those was when there's a

890
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,000
compelling countervailing public

891
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
interest that would be jeopardized by

892
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,160
the approval. And the second was when

893
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,520
the county had formally initiated the

894
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680
process to amend the regulation in a way

895
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,400
that would prohibit the application as

896
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,880
it was submitted. So, they have those

897
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,000
two exceptions to the vested rights

898
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
doctrine. Now, the first of those, I'm

899
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,320
going to kind of switch over to

900
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,960
moratorium now because that that

901
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
standard compelling countervailing

902
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,320
public interest is the same standard for

903
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,840
moratoria.

904
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,000
So,

905
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,560
moratoria now under Utah law are called

906
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520
temporary land use regulations instead

907
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,560
of moratoria. So, you know, if you hear

908
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,840
that term, that's what it means.

909
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Essentially, what we used to call

910
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,880
moratoria is now temporary land use

911
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,200
regulation. It's under a different

912
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,480
section of the land use code. Um, and it

913
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,960
allows the governing body of the

914
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,480
governmental entity. So, in this case,

915
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,160
you, the county commission, can pass

916
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,720
a a moratorium

917
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,000
without going through the planning

918
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,120
commission. Just immediately pass it.

919
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Still have to have a public hearing,

920
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,480
but you don't have to go through the

921
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,480
normal process. And you can do that in

922
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,360
three circumstances. One is if it's an

923
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,440
unregulated area. I don't know that you

924
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,640
have any of those in Grand County. I I

925
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,640
doubt it from what I've seen.

926
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,920
Two,

927
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,680
if it's subject to an environmental

928
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,400
impact statement or a major investment

929
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,680
study, and it's examining an area for a

930
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,880
proposed highway or transportation

931
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,000
corridor. So, that's the second one. And

932
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,560
then the third one is the one that is

933
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
most commonly used, and that's where you

934
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,320
have this compelling countervailing

935
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,640
public interest. And that is a situation

936
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,720
where the public's interest is deemed to

937
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,280
outweigh an individual's interest. So,

938
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,000
uh for example,

939
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,160
um

940
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,600
a couple There's only been a couple of

941
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,440
cases on this in Utah. One of those is

942
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,960
the Gardner case up in Wasatch County

943
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,240
where UDOT was putting in a road and

944
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,160
they discovered that a slope was moving

945
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,360
was actively moving and there was a

946
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,440
subdivision that the county had approved

947
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,480
on that slope. And so, when the county

948
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,280
learned that the slope was actually

949
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,680
moving, they imposed a moratorium. That

950
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,680
was upheld by the Supreme Court. Um in

951
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,520
another case, the Maackey case,

952
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,200
um

953
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,360
they

954
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,160
attempted to use uh moratorium to

955
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,440
um stop a right to a referendum, uh but

956
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,160
the Supreme Court held no, uh a right to

957
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,240
referendum is constitutional under our

958
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,040
state constitution, and therefore the

959
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,880
public's interest outweighs uh the

960
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,320
individual's interest in that situation

961
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,720
as well. So, that's that's what has been

962
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,480
defined under Utah law as a compelling

963
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,640
countervailing interest. The mere fact

964
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,040
that a new regulation is being

965
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,760
considered is not enough uh for it to be

966
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960
a compelling countervailing public

967
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160
interest. Um

968
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,600
and as evidence of that is listed

969
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,200
separately as an exception to the vested

970
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,160
rights doctrine. So,

971
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,680
um also for a moratorium, they can't

972
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,800
last longer than 180 days, which is

973
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,560
around 6 months.

974
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,760
Um

975
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,720
I have always argued that you can stack

976
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,240
them. So, if you make a new finding um

977
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,720
of a compelling countervailing public

978
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,600
interest, you can pass a new one. That

979
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,680
is been hotly contested. Uh there's no

980
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,800
case law deciding it. The argument

981
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480
against it is good and and and and a

982
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560
good argument. I just I just think it's

983
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,720
different. Um and they do not apply to

984
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,000
applications that are covered by

985
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360
um this second exception to the vested

986
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,640
rights doctrine. In other words, they

987
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,560
don't apply to applications that

988
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,120
um

989
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,760
cannot move forward because the county

990
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,440
has already started the process of

991
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200
changing its code to prohibit the the

992
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,080
land use application. So, if we go back

993
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640
to vested rights now, so that's that's

994
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,800
moratorium, that's one of the reasons

995
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880
compelling countervailing interest that

996
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,320
you can uh not process an application

997
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,640
under the old law. The other is uh

998
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,560
when the county has formally begun the

999
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,680
process to amend the land use regulation

1000
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,480
in a way that would prohibit

1001
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,840
the applicant's use.

1002
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,000
And for example, let's say you have a

1003
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,560
zone that allows you to build

1004
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,760
high-density housing, um but before I as

1005
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
a developer submit an application, the

1006
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,400
county has formally instituted a change

1007
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,280
in that zone so that um I can't build

1008
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,640
high-density housing there anymore. So,

1009
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,960
that would be a situation where it's

1010
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,560
prohibiting the use that I'm applying

1011
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
for. If you formally begin that process

1012
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,440
before I submit the application, uh then

1013
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,360
my application uh does not does does is

1014
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,600
not uh guaranteed a right to be

1015
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
considered under the old zone.

1016
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Now, a couple of words here of caution,

1017
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,480
it has to prohibit the proposed use, not

1018
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,000
just affect it, not just even adversely

1019
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,640
affect it. It has to prohibit it. The

1020
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560
word prohibit is the your word that is

1021
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,840
used in the statute. Um there are also

1022
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,000
time limits associated with this. If the

1023
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,240
county does not enact the legislation

1024
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,600
that prohibits the use within 180 days,

1025
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,800
that is within 6 months, around 6

1026
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,440
months, um after initiating it, then

1027
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,520
uh the right of the applicant will vest

1028
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,560
under the old zoning. Uh so, practically

1029
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,640
you have about 6 months to get the zone

1030
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,030
passed from when you begin it. Um

1031
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,840
there's another exception, a timing

1032
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,560
exception that says that if the

1033
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,040
application

1034
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,480
fell under a moratorium, then also uh

1035
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,680
it's subject to the 180-day limitation.

1036
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,840
I think that's a that's a mistake in the

1037
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000
code. Um I think they meant to say that

1038
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
it was if it was prohibited under a

1039
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,040
moratorium that it did not uh it wasn't

1040
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,760
subject to the exception, but that's not

1041
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,440
the way it's worded. The way I read it,

1042
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,360
the way it's worded is that also for

1043
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680
falls under the 180-day limitation,

1044
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
which doesn't make a lot of sense, but

1045
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,800
that's the way it's written. So, I think

1046
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,440
the intention is it just prevents

1047
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,320
governments from flipping back and forth

1048
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,880
to prevent a project from going by

1049
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,040
saying, "Okay, now you're under a

1050
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,400
moratorium." And then, "Oh, now you're

1051
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,520
under

1052
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,440
uh the vested rights statute." And just

1053
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,360
going back and forth and just

1054
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,000
continuously um stopping the project

1055
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,160
from going forward. So, then the

1056
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,840
question is, "Well, should we pass a

1057
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,880
resolution saying, 'Okay, this is when

1058
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,600
our 180 days begins. We have formally

1059
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,240
begun to consider a new zone now.'" And

1060
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,760
then that way everyone knows about it.

1061
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,560
The The benefit of that is that um it's

1062
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,680
sunshine, it provides transparency,

1063
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,680
everyone knows. Um and the the language

1064
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,800
of the statute itself is it it begs

1065
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,440
questions. It's kind of squishy. It

1066
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,000
says, "In the manner provided by the

1067
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,720
local ordinance

1068
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,760
uh the county formally initiates

1069
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,800
proceedings to amend the regulations in

1070
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
a way that would prohibit approval." So,

1071
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,400
what does it mean to formally initiate?

1072
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560
What is the manner provided? These are

1073
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,920
questions that are kind of up in the

1074
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,000
air. And so, if I providing a

1075
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,480
resolution, you provide clarity for

1076
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,000
that. However, there is a two-sided

1077
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,400
coin. There is an opposite

1078
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,120
uh there side to that coin, and there

1079
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
are some concerns that you should be

1080
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,520
aware of. One is that

1081
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,080
in my opinion, I think that if the

1082
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,080
county passes that resolution, it would

1083
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,240
only be applied against the county. Um

1084
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,160
it would not be applied against the

1085
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,320
applicant because the county is the one

1086
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,920
that is saying, "Okay, we are starting

1087
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,280
now." Which allows the applicant to make

1088
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,080
arguments that the process started

1089
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,640
later. Also, I think it could give rise

1090
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,200
to potential arguments that it was

1091
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,520
misleading depending on how it's worded.

1092
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,760
So, for example,

1093
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,320
you could say that the exception only

1094
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,200
applies to a proceeding that prohibits

1095
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,200
approval. But

1096
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,320
you know, maybe

1097
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,440
that

1098
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,440
prohibition is added later. So, at what

1099
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000
point then does that prohibition part of

1100
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440
the formal process? Or perhaps the

1101
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,280
prohibition began but then was later

1102
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,560
taken out or changed to simply a

1103
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,440
limitation. All these questions arise

1104
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080
during the process of amending the code

1105
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,320
and so it's always very ad hoc on when

1106
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,720
this time period begins. And if you set

1107
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:07,040
a time period with a resolution I think

1108
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,280
that that binds your hands somewhat

1109
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,240
to that date in the resolution when in

1110
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,320
actuality depending on the the legal the

1111
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,280
legal concerns at play, the facts of

1112
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,080
when certain terms were added or

1113
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,600
deleted,

1114
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,040
that date can vary

1115
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,080
through the process.

1116
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,480
So, that's kind of my overview summary.

1117
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,480
I'm happy to ask answer any questions

1118
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,110
you might have about it.

1119
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,350
» Thanks.

1120
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,320
Mr. Hadip.

1121
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,760
>> I have a comment. That really helped a

1122
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,520
lot, Mark. Just to kind of go through,

1123
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,120
you know, the positives and negatives.

1124
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,840
That helps a lot. I appreciate the

1125
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,840
process. Thank you, Stephen, for for

1126
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,120
supporting me on that when I when I

1127
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,310
reached out to you all. So

1128
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,280
» Have you seen or when you've seen these

1129
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200
in being passed, have you seen the

1130
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,000
resolutions being challenged?

1131
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,880
>> I have not seen Well,

1132
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,400
I have not seen the resolutions be

1133
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
challenged. Um although

1134
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,750
I have seen them

1135
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,520
to stop an argument from a governmental

1136
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,800
entity for a different date.

1137
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,310
>> Okay.

1138
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,320
Excellent. Well, Bart, thank you so much

1139
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,280
for dedicating some time to this. If If

1140
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,320
we have follow-up questions,

1141
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,880
commissioners, if you'll email any of

1142
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,080
those follow-up questions that you may

1143
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,400
have, um then Bart and I can address

1144
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,000
them and we can provide any other

1145
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,440
information or requests that you guys

1146
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,480
have as we move forward with the

1147
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,240
with any any questions you might have.

1148
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,800
So, that's everything that I had for

1149
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,560
Bart. Any other questions?

1150
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,480
Anybody else?

1151
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,000
>> Bart, thanks for your time. It's always

1152
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,440
good to see you. We appreciate your

1153
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
advice and help.

1154
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,550
>> Good to see you as well. Thank you.

1155
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,960
» All right. With that, I don't Again, I

1156
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,360
set up previously, I don't see a future

1157
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,280
considerations on here. So, we're going

1158
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,360
to take that opportunity and then we

1159
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,040
will get to Andrew and also action

1160
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,360
disclosures.

1161
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,720
>> Yeah, it's number three.

1162
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,600
>> Yeah, it's down there.

1163
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,040
>> Yeah.

1164
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:16,440
>> Seth.

1165
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,040
>> But

1166
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,000
>> It's after general

1167
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000
>> after

1168
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,520
>> Yeah.

1169
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,350
>> It's after general business.

1170
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,600
» All right. Well, let's get it out of the

1171
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,320
way.

1172
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,720
>> Perhaps while you guys are doing that,

1173
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,440
can Andrew and I set up here?

1174
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:29,960
>> Yes.

1175
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,200
>> Please feel free to come up and set up.

1176
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,160
>> Making disclosures, commissioner.

1177
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
>> As always, my uh my wife works for the

1178
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,160
sheriff's department.

1179
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,800
>> Okay.

1180
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,000
Anyone else?

1181
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,600
>> Don works for

1182
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
that but

1183
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,920
>> All right. And we had a future

1184
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,760
consideration mentioned earlier.

1185
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800
>> Yes. Uh uh

1186
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,000
>> You go. You go.

1187
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,720
>> We'll need a um

1188
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,320
a commissioner to be appointed to a

1189
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,880
group uh to discuss the boat ramp at the

1190
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,800
pedestrian bridge.

1191
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,160
So, we'll have going to have that on the

1192
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,880
next time as well.

1193
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,040
>> Okay, do

1194
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,080
we want to make recommendations in the

1195
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,440
future?

1196
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,240
>> Just putting that on the next agenda.

1197
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:10,640
>> Yes.

1198
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,120
>> Okay, sounds good.

1199
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,480
All right.

1200
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Future considerations?

1201
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,120
>> Yeah.

1202
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,720
>> Um if possible during the next meeting I

1203
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,040
would like to talk about the funding

1204
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,440
surrounding the Kimsey Gardner study

1205
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:31,630
if possible.

1206
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,840
» Okay, what else?

1207
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,800
Yes, Commissioner.

1208
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,320
>> I just like to make another request that

1209
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,480
we get a financial

1210
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,760
update from our clerk auditor for that

1211
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,640
department.

1212
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,360
I asked the last meeting and

1213
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,550
it would be great to see that.

1214
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,920
» All right, if that's it, another one

1215
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,360
Commissioner McCurdy?

1216
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,960
>> Yeah, I'd like to know future

1217
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,560
consideration on

1218
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,480
our our upcoming topic.

1219
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Uh

1220
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Spanish Valley Pathway, I would like to

1221
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,560
know

1222
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,320
uh interest off of our holdings,

1223
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,200
the current money that we've had for the

1224
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,880
Spanish Valley Pathway, our earned

1225
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,400
interest off of that and if that

1226
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,240
interest is

1227
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:13,040
uh

1228
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,760
regulated to to the Spanish Valley

1229
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,480
Pathway specifically or it has been put

1230
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,360
in general funds generally.

1231
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Peace.

1232
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520
>> So, we have a couple of questions for

1233
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,360
our clerk auditor and I know this one

1234
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,080
that Commissioner McCurdy brought up has

1235
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,760
been brought up several times in the

1236
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,240
past, so maybe we need to get Gabe to

1237
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,000
dive in dive into that.

1238
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Is there Yes, John.

1239
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,520
>> Uh just a clarification on the on the

1240
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,760
boat ramp. Um is that is is that as

1241
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,360
we're looking at? I remember a few years

1242
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,000
ago we had a a plan to redesign that

1243
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,600
whole area. Is that that's what it is is

1244
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,400
considered? Okay, awesome.

1245
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,840
Oh, thanks. Got to just

1246
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,560
Can I jump in here real quick?

1247
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,160
>> Sure, please.

1248
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,160
>> Got a meeting set up potentially for May

1249
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,880
27th. I had a very small meeting this

1250
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,840
morning with some of the

1251
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,920
BLM and SAR to just kind of discuss

1252
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,840
getting that back on track. And so then

1253
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,360
the 27th will be the first kind of

1254
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,280
official meeting of

1255
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:03,760
>> Okay.

1256
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,280
>> getting that project back into the

1257
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,240
wherever we go with it.

1258
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:09,360
>> So this would be this would be like

1259
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,560
having a commissioner on like a

1260
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,840
subcommittee then

1261
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,440
discuss similar to the path they are on

1262
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:13,920
now.

1263
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,560
>> That's a beautiful sight plan.

1264
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,000
>> Yeah.

1265
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,360
It's pretty.

1266
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,360
>> All right. So that's it.

1267
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:19,840
>> Oh.

1268
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,560
>> This One one clarification. When the the

1269
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,000
commission's requesting assistance to

1270
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040
look into I think there was a financial

1271
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,560
update requested regarding a department

1272
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,640
and then there was another request to

1273
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,760
the clerk's office. Who did you folks

1274
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,520
want to communicate that message to? Is

1275
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,080
it the department the department you're

1276
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,760
requesting to look at financial

1277
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,040
financials? That's the clerk auditor's

1278
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,520
department. Or is it the uh

1279
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,720
Which department was that?

1280
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,600
>> Um

1281
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,480
>> Are they administering

1282
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,720
>> the administrator I thought it was the

1283
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:46,200
clerk auditor.

1284
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,800
>> Okay.

1285
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,720
>> for that report.

1286
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:48,160
>> Okay.

1287
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,960
>> But I would ask that the administrator

1288
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,400
just communicate that to the clerk

1289
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,440
auditor that we'd like to see a report

1290
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
especially as we're looking for Um I

1291
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,160
think we had set a Was it a

1292
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,800
quarter one or quarter two that we were

1293
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,520
talking about moratorium or the the

1294
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520
hiring freeze that we had. So I think

1295
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,760
that some decisions were supposed to be

1296
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,040
made and I'd like to get an update to

1297
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,600
see where we are and how we're tracking.

1298
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,160
>> I just want to make it clear for who is

1299
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,240
carrying the torch so it'd be the

1300
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,240
commissioner administrator's office

1301
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,440
doing that.

1302
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,440
>> That was my thought on that.

1303
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,960
>> I don't I don't have any any items. I'm

1304
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,560
just wanting

1305
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,240
>> Okay.

1306
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,160
>> And really to the way and I I thought

1307
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,320
that it was kind of a given that that's

1308
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,440
why the administrator was here to carry

1309
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,920
out our wishes. But thank you for the

1310
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,550
clarification.

1311
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,200
» The genie.

1312
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:45,990
>> And we're looking forward to it.

1313
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,040
» Okay. Okay. Um I just want to say good

1314
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,120
afternoon. Thank you for having us here

1315
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,840
from the CJC. One thing I really just

1316
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,880
want to come before you today and

1317
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,280
express my gratitude um for the support

1318
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,480
from the commission. My report's

1319
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,440
actually going to be a little bit more

1320
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,480
of a 6-month report than an annual

1321
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,560
report because I was here just in

1322
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,080
September

1323
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,040
um with the completion of our annual

1324
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,840
report at that time.

1325
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,240
Our mission of the CJC is primarily to

1326
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,160
protect children, support families in

1327
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,640
crisis, collaborate with our partners,

1328
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,920
promote healing, advocate for justice,

1329
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,320
and strengthen our community. One way I

1330
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,040
really believe we can do that is through

1331
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,470
supporting our community's youth.

1332
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,520
For our community engagement, one of the

1333
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,800
biggest milestones we officially opened

1334
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,760
the brand new center. We were

1335
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,480
overwhelmed in the best way possible by

1336
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,080
the number of community members who

1337
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,960
showed up to support us. The grand

1338
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,200
opening wasn't about the building. It It

1339
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,960
really gave us an opportunity to share

1340
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,880
the mission of the CJC and what we do.

1341
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,160
We were able to walk community members

1342
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,960
through step-by-step of the process when

1343
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,400
a child comes forth with allegations of

1344
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,550
abuse.

1345
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,520
Again, I just want to come forth with

1346
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,640
gratitude. I am fully aware that this

1347
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,960
was a significant financial investment

1348
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
by our community and I want you to know

1349
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,720
how greatly or how deeply grateful I am

1350
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,400
for that support and also how much I'm

1351
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,080
really trying to be a good steward of

1352
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,560
these funds.

1353
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,960
Um, walking through the new center, I

1354
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,360
just want to kind of piece by piece

1355
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,760
outside of the initial purchase of the

1356
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,080
building, um, showcase what efforts have

1357
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,520
been made to

1358
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,760
alleviate the burden from the county.

1359
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,320
So, the entire center was furnished by

1360
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,800
our nonprofit and private donor funds. I

1361
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,760
also applied for a grant through

1362
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,280
Synergy, which funded the entire AV

1363
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960
equipment for our new center.

1364
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,000
Um, I reapproached the state for

1365
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,600
additional funds to complete the remodel

1366
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,880
of our ADA bathroom, our medical

1367
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,200
facility, and um, turning the garage

1368
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,960
into a meeting space for our MDT.

1369
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Um, our landscaping was actually

1370
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,480
funded by our nonprofit as well, and we

1371
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,880
utilize volunteers in the community to

1372
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,320
help install some of that.

1373
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,480
>> And the nonprofit she's referring to is

1374
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,840
the Friends of the CJC, and we have a

1375
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,240
lot of community members that are part

1376
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,800
of that. So, when we say nonprofit,

1377
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,880
that's the Friends of the CJC.

1378
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,840
>> Yeah, thank you so much. Um, we also

1379
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,960
utilize the state funding to remodel the

1380
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,600
garage in the new county meeting space.

1381
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,640
I believe it's you, um, Commissioner

1382
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,000
McGinn last year that mentioned that you

1383
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,760
really wanted to see the space be able

1384
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,360
to be utilized then more than just the

1385
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,240
CJC. And so, now we've opened this

1386
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,680
meeting space up to be utilized by the

1387
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,880
entire county departments, as long as

1388
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,720
there's not a forensic interview going

1389
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,240
on at that time. We really want to be

1390
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,160
mindful of protecting the integrity and

1391
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,680
privacy of our children. Um, another way

1392
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,360
that we've really tried to leverage and

1393
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,280
be mindful of state funds is we used to

1394
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,840
cater all of our lunches and meals, and

1395
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,560
I've now actually been um, cooking those

1396
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,800
myself and providing meals to our

1397
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,160
meeting, um, our members of our meeting

1398
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,040
to try to help save the county month

1399
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,400
funds in those ways. So, we've tried to

1400
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,320
make small operational changes to save

1401
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,560
on the budget.

1402
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,600
>> So, one other awesome way that we're

1403
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,440
utilizing that space, you can see the

1404
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,880
letters MDT, that's the

1405
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040
multidisciplinary team.

1406
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,960
Um, they meet out there to discuss

1407
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,240
cases. It's a cross section of law

1408
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,360
enforcement, victims advocates,

1409
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,840
prosecution, as well as the school and

1410
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,960
therapists, and that gives a wonderful

1411
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,880
space to be able to meet. Previously, we

1412
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,360
were meeting at the city hall. That was

1413
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
wonderful to meet there, but this gives

1414
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,520
another extra level of security,

1415
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,280
protection, and it is being utilized,

1416
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,030
and it's it's really, really helpful and valuable.

1417
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,600
» So, um one big piece of the last 6

1418
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160
months has been around legislative

1419
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,160
advocacy because as you guys are well

1420
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,640
aware that the CJC by design was is

1421
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,480
meant to be funded by multiple funding

1422
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,400
streams, and one of the biggest funding

1423
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,120
streams is the state. Um they provide a

1424
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,280
substantial amount of money to make sure

1425
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,480
that we have the center for our

1426
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,000
community. And what happened was in the

1427
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,080
11th hour, we found out we were left off

1428
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,400
the governor's budget, which created a

1429
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,680
real problem for us to look forward for

1430
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,960
funding. And so, um

1431
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,080
Representative Ivory was so gracious to

1432
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,360
run an RFA for us. We approached the

1433
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,200
legislature to ask for one-time funds to

1434
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,320
be a stopgap measure in the amount of

1435
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,480
$470,000

1436
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
to help with this next year being left

1437
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,000
off the governor's budget. But because

1438
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640
of incredible state leadership, and

1439
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,600
honestly because of our own commission

1440
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,360
who helped advocate for us at the state

1441
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,880
level, we were in 40th on that list, and

1442
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,640
we actually were funded number second.

1443
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,920
And not only just for the one-time ask

1444
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,120
for the $470,000,

1445
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,440
but for ongoing funding. So, this is an

1446
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,480
incredible win, obviously, for the CJC,

1447
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,840
but for the county moving forward

1448
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,360
because

1449
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,600
the state has now decided to take that

1450
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,040
ongoing funds and split it between the

1451
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,440
26 centers. So, now moving forward,

1452
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,320
we'll be able to receive more front

1453
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,960
money from the state, and so the county

1454
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,800
will actually have to pitch in less

1455
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,240
moving forward. So, that will be an

1456
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,800
additional cost saving to um our

1457
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,920
taxpayers. And then

1458
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,280
>> And and one other important part and I

1459
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,120
Andrew might mention her later is Tracy

1460
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,480
Cabott's been

1461
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,520
critical and helpful.

1462
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,080
We really appreciate her and the

1463
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,560
Attorney General's office for being able

1464
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,600
to provide the funding. She's been a

1465
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,240
wonderful partner, advocate, friend,

1466
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,840
mentor for the CJC statewide. She's

1467
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,320
making special trips down to this area

1468
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,920
as well.

1469
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,800
>> I just wanted to add that.

1470
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,200
>> Yes. So, and Steven's exactly right.

1471
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,920
Like we are so grateful for the state

1472
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,800
leadership and Tracy Cabott and

1473
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,560
everything she does to advocate for our

1474
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,280
community's youth.

1475
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,640
Not only did we really work hard on that

1476
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,800
funding to help support the centers and

1477
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,960
the cost to our county, but we also

1478
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,280
fought for really critical legislation

1479
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,520
changes. One of those and I'm just only

1480
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,840
going to touch on a few of them that

1481
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,960
impact our county and our kids directly,

1482
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,280
but

1483
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160
we met with Senator Brammer. SJR one is

1484
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,800
going to be really huge for our kids

1485
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,360
because it allows prior acts of abuse,

1486
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,400
specifically in like child molestation

1487
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,800
and sexual assault cases, to come in to

1488
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,720
be a factor so that it can show a

1489
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
propensity for abuse. And so, when

1490
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,000
people are looking at these cases,

1491
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,680
they're not just looking at an isolated

1492
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,600
incident in front of them. And so,

1493
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,720
that's going to add additional

1494
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,960
safeguards to our kiddos. HB 89 was

1495
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,440
another victory. It protects our victims

1496
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,040
by limiting the use of polygraphs. So,

1497
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,600
now polygraphs can't be asked or victims

1498
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,680
can't be asked to submit to a polygraph

1499
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,960
test, which is really important. HB 90

1500
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,120
was

1501
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,040
another victory for us. It clarifies

1502
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,800
what qualifies as a sexual offense

1503
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,280
across Utah. So, it helps ensure

1504
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,800
consistency.

1505
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,200
SB 92 was also known as the Desiree

1506
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,960
Turner bill. If you guys are familiar

1507
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,520
with that, Desiree Turner was um

1508
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,760
uh sh- was an incident involving two

1509
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,000
juveniles that actually shot Desiree and

1510
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,760
left her for dead. And so, previously,

1511
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,720
there wasn't any um pieces of

1512
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,400
legislation that allowed to prosecute

1513
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,040
those kinds of heinous acts if the

1514
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,560
victim survived. So, this created a

1515
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,360
stopgap in that regard because now,

1516
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,800
regardless of whether the child

1517
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,320
survives, it allows for prosecution, and

1518
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,120
then it also allows for prosecution if

1519
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,560
the victim dies at a later time as a

1520
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,600
result of those injuries. And then, HB

1521
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,120
102 was rep- was ran by Representative

1522
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Sahara Hayes, and this is actually a

1523
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,640
victory, I would say, in a rural

1524
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,520
community because it allows victims of

1525
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,560
crime to utilize their initials instead

1526
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,880
of their name on court documents. And as

1527
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,440
you guys know, in small communities,

1528
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,040
nobody asked to be a victim, so they

1529
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,680
don't want to be exploited in front of

1530
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,280
their community and maybe have to see

1531
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,440
them at city market or things like that.

1532
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,760
So, we felt like that was a wonderful

1533
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,840
victory. Um I had the wonderful

1534
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,000
opportunity to meet with Senator Ipson

1535
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,800
and thank him for the child torture law.

1536
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,520
I know when um

1537
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,160
our when we went before legislation

1538
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,960
before to enact the child torture law or

1539
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,040
try to get it passed, um some of the

1540
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,720
medical experts in that area said that

1541
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,120
there was concern that there may be

1542
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,960
about 12 cases over the course of the

1543
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,280
last 4 years. And now that the

1544
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,200
legislation's passed, we are actually up

1545
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,720
to nine

1546
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,360
um filed cases of child torture in this

1547
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,680
very first year. So, it's very critical

1548
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,240
that we have this uh

1549
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,040
piece of legislation. Um I met with um

1550
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,800
multiple different senators who were so

1551
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,160
gracious to be able to speak with us and

1552
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,000
just thank them for the support. Senator

1553
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,840
Owens, he gave the Grand County the DPS

1554
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,440
grant to cover our MDT money and

1555
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,560
financial um support to make sure that

1556
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,040
our first responders have critical

1557
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,320
mental health support. And then,

1558
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,680
honestly, we were only supposed to meet

1559
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,520
for a few minutes with Derek Brown, but

1560
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,440
he stopped and actually had lunch and

1561
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,120
offered his support with the child

1562
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,800
torture case that just recently came

1563
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,680
through our county. And so, he was so

1564
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,720
gracious and kind and willing to listen

1565
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,880
to what's happening within rural Utah.

1566
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
So, I was really grateful for that.

1567
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,040
I won't speak too much to this because

1568
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,440
this is an open and active case. But, as

1569
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,680
you know, we were in the news for a

1570
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,360
child torture case. The one thing I do

1571
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,800
want to express my gratitude to is, and

1572
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,280
I know Andrew's actually here,

1573
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,120
but these cases can be really

1574
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,720
exploitative to our victims. And our

1575
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,160
local news media actually really

1576
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,320
leveraged this opportunity to educate

1577
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,920
our community on how we can report

1578
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,680
concerns when we have any any red flags

1579
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,600
with our children. So, rather than being

1580
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,720
exploitative, they were really

1581
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,360
supportive and helped us educate our

1582
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,920
community. So, I just want to express

1583
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,320
gratitude for that.

1584
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Um

1585
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,720
The one thing I will say is the child

1586
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,720
torture case was incredibly difficult

1587
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,160
for my team. We were able to leverage

1588
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,200
the DPS grant and bring in first

1589
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,920
responders first to conduct a critical

1590
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,880
incident debriefing and also provide

1591
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,000
24/7 access

1592
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,480
for our team members and their families

1593
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,840
in case they were struggling being on

1594
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,440
the front lines with that case. So,

1595
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,280
First Responders First was a critical

1596
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,080
resource for us and so we're grateful to

1597
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,400
them.

1598
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,080
At a glance, just over the course of the

1599
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,120
last 6 months, like I said, this is just

1600
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,960
our 6-month review instead of our annual

1601
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,280
review,

1602
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,120
the total number of new and active cases

1603
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,040
has been 71.

1604
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,800
The total number of people who received

1605
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,520
services is 136.

1606
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,720
And

1607
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,960
um total of open and active is 208. One

1608
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,520
thing that's actually been a little bit

1609
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,400
different in our case trends is right

1610
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,680
now we're seeing um an increase of child

1611
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,480
physical abuse over child sexual abuse,

1612
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,600
and historically we've seen child sexual

1613
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,920
abuse. Um so that's actually been an

1614
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,240
interesting trend that we're really

1615
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,880
trying to keep an eye and understand why

1616
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,350
that's happening for us. Um

1617
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,880
I rather than

1618
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,160
really me saying what kind of job the

1619
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,280
CJC's doing, I wanted to use the words

1620
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,080
of the clients who have come through our

1621
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,120
center so that you guys can see the kind

1622
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,520
of experience they're having. We use a

1623
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,160
survey called an OMS survey, and it is

1624
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,080
completely confidential, but it gives us

1625
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,000
feedback to help us improve our work at

1626
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,920
the CJC. And as you can see, these are

1627
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,600
some of the comments I've just created a

1628
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,760
word cloud of the experience that the

1629
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,000
clients are having at the center.

1630
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,480
Um and some of the things that really

1631
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,920
stand and stand out to me is that they

1632
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,400
feel safe, they made me feel important,

1633
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,560
and they felt heard and supported. And

1634
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,680
if children can walk into a place like

1635
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,760
the CJC during the hardest moments of

1636
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,520
their life, and they feel safe, then I

1637
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,840
feel really incredibly proud of the work

1638
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,750
that's happening at the CJC.

1639
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,430
Sorry.

1640
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,840
Some of the system improvements that

1641
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,960
we've done over the past 6 months is

1642
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,800
we're really trying to enhance statewide

1643
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,200
collaboration. Um

1644
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,760
We were the first in the state to offer

1645
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,600
a tele-forensic interview. It's

1646
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,600
incredibly expensive to bring in the

1647
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Spanish-speaking translator because they

1648
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,080
have to be court certified, and so each

1649
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,000
time we have a case that involves our

1650
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,360
kiddos that speak Spanish and need a

1651
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,520
translator, it costs us approximately

1652
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,680
$1,500 to do a forensic interview. While

1653
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,960
I do not feel like it's fair that our

1654
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,520
rural children do not have access to

1655
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,600
critical services, I don't think cost

1656
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,800
should be a barrier. So, we reached out

1657
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,200
to the Salt Lake Children's Justice

1658
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,400
Center to try to leverage their forensic

1659
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,880
interviewer, and we created a system

1660
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,160
where we could do forensic

1661
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,480
tele-forensic, sorry, tele-forensic

1662
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,680
interviews utilizing their forensic

1663
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,160
interviewer in Salt Lake at no cost to

1664
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,120
us, and we're able to conduct an

1665
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,000
interview here to also try to save on

1666
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,280
that $1,500 per case.

1667
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,000
Did you have something?

1668
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,920
>> I'm just curious.

1669
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,520
>> Yeah.

1670
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,080
>> Does

1671
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,480
when it's a tele- conference,

1672
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,160
does it increase or decrease or does it

1673
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,200
stay the same, the anxiety that the

1674
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,320
child is

1675
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,800
Cuz I I you know, I find

1676
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,440
teleconferencing

1677
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,200
>> You know, um so, there has been research

1678
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,760
and studies around that, and they've

1679
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,400
showed no change. Depending on the

1680
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,920
child, a lot of times they feel more

1681
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,760
comfortable because they're not directly

1682
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,800
in the room making a disclosure to

1683
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,040
another human, but there are people

1684
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,800
still around. So, we did have human

1685
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,400
observers in the secondary room, and

1686
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,440
then they were talking to a

1687
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,760
tele-forensic interviewer on the screen.

1688
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,000
And because it is an actual person

1689
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,200
having the conversation with them,

1690
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,720
studies have shown that our kiddos are

1691
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,880
used to operating on a screen, and they

1692
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,040
are comfortable

1693
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,000
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

1694
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,200
>> Um for our specific cases, we don't have

1695
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,200
enough data to see if we're getting the

1696
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,320
same amount of disclosures yet as this

1697
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,800
is pretty new, um but it is a means that

1698
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,400
we're really trying so that we can kind

1699
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,000
of save on the cost, but also still

1700
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,360
bring critical resources to rural Utah.

1701
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,440
And then, another thing that we did is

1702
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,480
we tried to standardize which types of

1703
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,160
cases warrant a forensic interview just

1704
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,600
to make sure that we have um equal

1705
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,240
access, and that we're staying

1706
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,480
consistent with our care. And then, our

1707
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,960
MDT created a unified mission statement.

1708
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:01,920
Um

1709
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,280
let's see.

1710
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,800
We provided strangulation training for law enforcement to better respond to

1711
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,360
child abuse cases involving this really

1712
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,160
high risk factor that we are seeing.

1713
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,560
And we provided uh we also increased the

1714
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,960
community awareness. This was our most

1715
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,120
recent event which was chalk the walk.

1716
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,840
I don't know if you guys can see right

1717
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,120
here on this.

1718
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:24,880
>> They can see it.

1719
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,400
>> You can see it. So,

1720
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,320
I'll just show you a video. Um chalk the

1721
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,440
walk gave us an opportunity to just

1722
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,400
um share supportive messaging to our

1723
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,040
youth to let them know that they matter

1724
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,400
and they're not alone. We also opened

1725
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,640
the new CJC for walk-throughs and any

1726
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,400
questions so that people can could come

1727
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,000
in and see the new facility and and

1728
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,000
better understand what our mission is

1729
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,480
and what we're trying to do at the

1730
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,630
center.

1731
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:54,760
Um

1732
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,200
I continue to serve as the chair of the

1733
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,400
7th District Victims' Right Commit

1734
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,680
Rights Committee and I'm still the vice

1735
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,200
chair of the Utah State CJC Standing

1736
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,160
Board. I'll continue to serve in this

1737
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,600
capacity for the next year and a half

1738
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,200
and then my role there will

1739
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,880
automatically

1740
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:11,640
um

1741
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,200
roll into the chair of the state

1742
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,759
standing board and so I really do

1743
01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:18,680
appreciate this opportunity because I do

1744
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,960
feel like it's so important to have a

1745
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,000
rural voice at the state level when

1746
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,640
they're making such important decisions

1747
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,680
that do affect us here down in Moab.

1748
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,160
>> And just a little bit of information on

1749
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,480
that Rights Committee that Andrea is the

1750
01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:34,240
chair on. It's a committee that receives

1751
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,480
any complaints that victims have

1752
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:36,839
regarding

1753
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:39,839
Grand, San Juan, Emery, Carbon County.

1754
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:42,319
It has representation from across the

1755
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,759
different

1756
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:46,319
disciplines. I sit as the prosecutor on

1757
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,839
it. The sheriff from Emery County or

1758
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:48,880
Carbon County?

1759
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,359
>> Emery.

1760
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,080
County sits on it with thematic

1761
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,839
San Juan. So, it's a cross-section. We

1762
01:08:52,839 --> 01:08:54,480
receive the complaints and process those

1763
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,640
complaints and that's been something

1764
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,400
that's been spearheaded by the state and

1765
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,000
Ms. Fox has really been helpful with

1766
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,520
setting that up and getting that.

1767
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,240
>> Yeah, it's a part of the Victim Services

1768
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,000
Committee and one thing that's really

1769
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,319
nice about that is we get real victims'

1770
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,359
voices and impact statements

1771
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,920
understanding how their experience has

1772
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,400
been while interfacing with the justice

1773
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,720
system and it gives us an opportunity to

1774
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,040
improve because we already know that

1775
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,040
they're in crisis and we don't want to

1776
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,279
add to their trauma through the system.

1777
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:27,520
Um, the nonprofit that I talked about

1778
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,759
earlier is the Friends of the CJC. It's

1779
01:09:30,759 --> 01:09:33,000
our nonprofit leg. It's fully up and

1780
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,799
running and it's it's helping supply

1781
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,160
critical financial resources to our

1782
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,960
kiddos. It pays for therapy, it pays for

1783
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,799
clothes, at times it's paid for food and

1784
01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:46,279
things that we need to help support this

1785
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,080
mission and offset the cost. And so I

1786
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,680
just want to show this quick video

1787
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,680
mostly because our friends board is

1788
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,440
active and our community has showed up

1789
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,440
in such incredible ways to support this

1790
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,720
work. Like I said, it's funded such

1791
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,080
critical services to help our kiddos

1792
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,240
through some of the hardest times in

1793
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,920
their life and so we're really grateful

1794
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,440
just for

1795
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,840
getting all the donations that the

1796
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:19,670
Friends of the CJC has received.

1797
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,520
And then

1798
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,200
uh the Friends of the CJC will be

1799
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,120
hosting our second annual kickball

1800
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,920
tournament. We're going to um

1801
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,400
we've set the date for September 11th so

1802
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,040
that we can honor the first responders

1803
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,760
that contribute to this critical work

1804
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,080
and it's actually going to be a two-day

1805
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,720
event because we had such a good showing

1806
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,800
last year. I'm really excited about it.

1807
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:41,840
So we're going to do a Battle of the

1808
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,560
Badges. We're also going to honor our

1809
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,440
first responders and make it into an

1810
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,600
entire community event. So I would love

1811
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,800
to see you guys out there and maybe

1812
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,400
kicking a ball around with you and play.

1813
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,240
Um another thing that I'm really excited

1814
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,240
about this year is

1815
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,120
on October 2nd we're going to be

1816
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,800
bringing in Gaylen Elmore. He's a former

1817
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,520
NFL player and he's going to speak to

1818
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,560
our community, specifically our high

1819
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,000
school kids, about belonging. And we

1820
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,800
wanted to make this event really fun and

1821
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,200
engaging for our youth. So, we decided

1822
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,080
to create a Stars for Students event

1823
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,920
where we're going to play flag football.

1824
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,480
I'm still in the process of reaching out

1825
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,600
to stars, but we've had some commitments

1826
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,880
already from the sheriff and the chief

1827
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,560
of police and

1828
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,640
our prosecuting attorney who's willing

1829
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,240
to play flag football against our high

1830
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,960
school students. And it's going to be just a really fun

1831
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,920
event. We're going to be doing giveaways

1832
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,760
and engaging the community because

1833
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,760
his messaging is so important and

1834
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,080
powerful. It talks to our kids about the

1835
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,120
importance of belonging and just taking

1836
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,920
that extra second to maybe get off your

1837
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,720
phone and show up for other people cuz

1838
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,800
you really don't know what they're going

1839
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,200
through behind the scenes. And he was

1840
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,160
actually abused as a child himself. He

1841
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,000
went through the foster care system and

1842
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080
be He doesn't talk about his success

1843
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,200
amongst himself, but it was about who

1844
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,920
showed up for him that actually helped

1845
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,280
him become the success he was today. And

1846
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,160
so, I just feel like his messaging's so

1847
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,240
important because it showcases what we

1848
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,400
can do as community members to help

1849
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,840
uplift our kiddos. And so, that will be

1850
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,040
October 2nd at the high school at 6:00.

1851
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:18,720
We'll do the flag football game first

1852
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,800
and then we'll be having Gaylen speak

1853
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,640
afterwards.

1854
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,320
And like oops. And the only thing

1855
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,720
without the video I won't or the sound I

1856
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,440
won't really play my video. But, the

1857
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,080
only thing I do want to say is just

1858
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,720
thank you again for believing in this

1859
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,960
work and and in me and your support at

1860
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,080
the state level to help ensure critical

1861
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,840
funds are met. I mean,

1862
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,400
I knew that this work was critical, but

1863
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,640
when we had our kiddo come through the

1864
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,320
center that experienced such atrocious

1865
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,680
child torture, I knew that we'd saved a

1866
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,440
life and we continue to do this. The The

1867
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,120
CJC saves children and it's because of

1868
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,800
you guys that we're able to do that. And

1869
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,870
so I'm just thankful to our community.

1870
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,840
» All right. Any any questions, comments

1871
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,760
for Andrea?

1872
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,560
I want to just say thank you, Andrea. I

1873
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,400
think you're doing an awesome job there.

1874
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,480
It's um a privilege to be part of that

1875
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,120
board.

1876
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,120
I uh I can't say enough good for Andrea.

1877
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,200
I uh

1878
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,480
I will also say that Tracy Taver is an

1879
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:25,000
incredible human being and what she does

1880
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,160
with with what she's in the middle of in

1881
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,400
her own life and continues to watch out

1882
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,240
for kids all over this

1883
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,680
an incredible person. So very thankful

1884
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,080
for her support we get down here from

1885
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,040
somebody at the state level.

1886
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,880
>> We're so grateful for Tracy. She's an

1887
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,200
incredible Thank you, guys.

1888
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,870
>> Physical.

1889
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,560
All right. We will move on to a few full

1890
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,920
uh consent agenda items.

1891
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,880
We'll start with approval of the meeting

1892
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,520
minutes of April 21st, 2026.

1893
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,840
Ratification of payment of bills, the

1894
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:07,470
total bills being $1,920,132.99.

1895
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,200
Total payroll

1896
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,230
$458,000

1897
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,440
$57.30

1898
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,560
with total bills and payroll at

1899
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:24,230
$2,378,190.29.

1900
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,400
Moving on, the independent contract

1901
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,200
agreement with Shires Bounce Rentals for

1902
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,560
the 2026 Grand County Fair.

1903
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,040
B, the independent contract agreements

1904
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,480
for the 2026 Grand County Fair for the

1905
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:41,040
Boom Town Crawlers.

1906
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,320
E, letter of support for Trust Lands

1907
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,200
Administration DWR land transfer

1908
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,040
and sale and F ratification of 2025

1909
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,400
contour agreement in her flights and G

1910
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,680
conflict public defender contract award.

1911
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,840
>> Commissioner Hadler.

1912
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,160
>> Uh motion to approve consent is

1913
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,640
presented.

1914
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,320
>> And motion by Commissioner Hadler,

1915
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,120
second by Commissioner McCurdy. All in

1916
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:07,761
favor?

1917
01:15:07,761 --> 01:15:09,640
>> [clears throat]

1918
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,960
>> Passes unanimously. Thank you. We move

1919
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,840
on again to number five position

1920
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,280
backfill request test borders.

1921
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:19,160
>> Has to be a mail.

1922
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,320
>> No. What's that?

1923
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,040
>> Did we get mail on that?

1924
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,040
>> I raised my hand.

1925
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:23,920
>> I couldn't get the audio.

1926
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,240
>> I [laughter] couldn't see I just wanted

1927
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:25,440
to know

1928
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,240
>> Yeah, I didn't hear you or see you. My

1929
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,440
apologies. Thank you for

1930
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,000
reminding me. Yes, yes.

1931
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,200
>> Thank you all.

1932
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,440
We have two position backfill requests

1933
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,160
coming before you all today. The first

1934
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,720
is for our OHV trail coordinator

1935
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,600
position, which is housed under the

1936
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,200
Grand County Active Transportation and

1937
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,240
Trails Department. This position is soon

1938
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,480
to become vacant. The request for this

1939
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,240
position is because this is our only OHV

1940
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,680
trail

1941
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,000
focused position. So without an employee

1942
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,120
in this position, none of none of our

1943
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,040
OHV efforts will have an employee

1944
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,200
specifically dedicated to them. This

1945
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,360
position is also primarily grant funded.

1946
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,040
The salary of this position is grant

1947
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,920
funded. The benefits are covered by the

1948
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,120
county.

1949
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,120
Um

1950
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,920
and I'm happy to to pause at that unless

1951
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:14,440
you all would like to

1952
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:16,240
>> Same agreement as before?

1953
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:16,600
>> Yes.

1954
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:17,960
>> Yeah, I just made sure.

1955
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,120
>> Yes, thank you.

1956
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,440
Verify.

1957
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:21,200
Um [clears throat] are there any

1958
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,960
questions on the OHV trail coordinator

1959
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:30,230
position request?

1960
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,360
And and I apologize these were put under

1961
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,600
the same um agenda item and so I'm more

1962
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,320
than happy to go over the next unless

1963
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,080
you all would prefer to to split them

1964
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,840
up. But I think we're good. I'll keep

1965
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:40,440
rolling.

1966
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:41,600
>> Yeah.

1967
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,880
>> Um so this next request is for one of

1968
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,760
our patrol deputy positions in the Green

1969
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,480
County Sheriff's Office. A position of

1970
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:50,160
patrol deputy position recently became

1971
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,120
vacant and the Sheriff is requesting to

1972
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,800
backfill that position. Um,

1973
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:55,920
it is

1974
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,760
as we all know becoming very busy and so

1975
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,360
their need for patrolers out there is

1976
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,840
as as

1977
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,000
uh necessary as it is any time of year

1978
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,400
really this time of year. So that

1979
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,720
request is also for immediate backfill.

1980
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,680
>> Yeah.

1981
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,720
Um, question and a motion. Um, is the is

1982
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,680
the Sheriff's position is that open

1983
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,040
currently or did someone just give their

1984
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,160
notice so it's we're looking to fill it?

1985
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,120
>> It's open currently. It's open

1986
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,600
currently. Yes.

1987
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:23,760
>> Thanks. And then I

1988
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080
move to approve the backfill of the OHV

1989
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,560
trail coordinator and patrol deputy

1990
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,280
positions effective immediately.

1991
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:31,800
>> Okay, motion by Commissioner Hapler,

1992
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,400
second Commissioner McGann. Um, the only

1993
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,480
I'll start off with a question.

1994
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:39,480
Um, will those positions how long do

1995
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,320
they get advertised?

1996
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,800
>> So the positions have to be posted for

1997
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,680
at least 10 business days before we can

1998
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,560
begin the recruitment process and so

1999
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,080
approximately 2 weeks um by the time we

2000
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,440
have the 10 business days and um again

2001
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,200
during that time we receive applicants

2002
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:58,320
and

2003
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,160
we'll start the the you know screening

2004
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,840
and interviewing process as soon as as

2005
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,120
soon as we're able to.

2006
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,840
>> Thank you. Anyone else questions?

2007
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,560
All right, I'll call for vote. All in

2008
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,200
favor?

2009
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:12,640
No?

2010
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:13,400
>> I.

2011
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:14,880
>> Are you out of it? Thank you. Passes

2012
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,520
unanimously.

2013
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:18,360
No?

2014
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,240
>> I abstain.

2015
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:20,680
Department.

2016
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,080
Oh, my bad. I didn't see you. I abstain.

2017
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,560
All right. So that passes six with one

2018
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,720
abstaining Commissioner

2019
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:28,840
>> Sheriff's Department.

2020
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:29,320
>> Thank you all.

2021
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,200
>> For the record. All right.

2022
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,320
Number six, consider

2023
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,000
>> What's that, man?

2024
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,440
>> I'm just making sure he knew that he can

2025
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,000
if it doesn't involve money. Keep my

2026
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,600
foot out of it.

2027
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,160
All right. Consideration of approval to

2028
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,440
enter negotiations phase for the Spanish

2029
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,400
Valley multi-use pathway.

2030
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:56,480
Maddie and Shawn Yates and looks like

2031
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:58,000
on Yates.

2032
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,634
Good luck, Shawn.

2033
01:18:59,634 --> 01:19:00,480
>> [laughter]

2034
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:06,470
>> It's a pretty easy one, Shawn.

2035
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,680
Is she on Zoom possibly?

2036
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:09,920
>> She's not on Zoom, but I'm happy to help

2037
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:10,600
as well.

2038
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,230
>> Okay.

2039
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,480
» So, as as you know in the closed session

2040
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:21,440
the motion is made to

2041
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:22,160
proceed

2042
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,360
>> No motion was made.

2043
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,080
And we don't discuss what happens in

2044
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,870
closed session.

2045
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,200
» I don't mean to cut in.

2046
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,880
But, if I may

2047
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,720
>> Sure.

2048
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,200
>> I'd like to make the motion to approve

2049
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,720
consideration

2050
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,800
or approve to enter negotiation phase of

2051
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,240
Spanish Valley multi-use pathway.

2052
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,040
>> Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, second

2053
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,000
by Commissioner Hattler.

2054
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,200
Further discussion, questions?

2055
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,280
Yes, Commissioner Martinez.

2056
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,240
>> Yeah, I'm just happy to see this project

2057
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:56,640
moving along. I know that there's a lot

2058
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,080
of folks that have been interested in

2059
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,400
seeing this

2060
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:00,680
get done. So, I just want to thank

2061
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,320
everybody who's been working diligently

2062
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:03,360
on this.

2063
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,880
And I want to say let's just keep it

2064
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,040
moving along.

2065
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,040
>> Appreciate your motivation and help on

2066
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,800
this too.

2067
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,360
It will help us a lot.

2068
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,720
>> A lot of the community is very eager to

2069
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,080
see this path done. So,

2070
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:21,120
All right. Any Anyone else? Comments?

2071
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,640
All right. I will call for a vote.

2072
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,520
All in favor?

2073
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,600
>> Aye.

2074
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,840
>> Passes unanimously.

2075
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,560
And we will move on.

2076
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,950
>> object

2077
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,440
» Bid award for the Jackson Street storm

2078
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:42,880
drain project. Maddie, and we just It

2079
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:43,800
was short.

2080
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,280
>> I ran into Sean in the parking lot and

2081
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,320
started talking about parking spaces.

2082
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,240
That's the whole thing.

2083
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,520
>> It was so short, you missed literally

2084
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,880
very little. So, it's all good.

2085
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,280
It passed unanimously.

2086
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,080
>> Great. You're free, Maddie.

2087
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:57,840
>> Yeah.

2088
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,760
>> All right. So, back to the Jackson

2089
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:00,960
Street

2090
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,200
storm drain project.

2091
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,720
>> So, I I'll open up the meeting. Do you

2092
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:06,480
want me to?

2093
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,160
>> Yeah.

2094
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,520
>> Um

2095
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,680
We put this out to bid. It went in the

2096
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,160
spring of '24, and we only got one bid,

2097
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,920
and it was very, very high. We reworked

2098
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,280
some of the plans. We put it back out to

2099
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,080
bid. We've got those bids back. They're

2100
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,600
much more acceptable. I think you're

2101
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,400
seeing the low bid in the packet.

2102
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,400
You got any questions? I'm happy to

2103
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,560
answer them.

2104
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,470
>> Anyone?

2105
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:30,040
All right.

2106
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,880
>> Commissioner Hadler, I'll move to award

2107
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:32,960
the contract for the Jackson Street

2108
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,200
storm drainage project to Silver Spur.

2109
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,480
>> All right. Motion by Commissioner

2110
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:39,880
Hadler, second by Commissioner McGann.

2111
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,190
Further discussion?

2112
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,200
All right. I will call for a vote. All

2113
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,920
in favor?

2114
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,120
>> I.

2115
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,040
>> That passes six with one absent,

2116
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,840
Commissioner McCurdy.

2117
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:05,710
And we will move on.

2118
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,360
And the ordinance

2119
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,520
Rocky Mountain Power was U dot franchise

2120
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,680
agreement 2027.

2121
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:16,200
>> Yes, sir.

2122
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:16,960
>> Mr. Tyner.

2123
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,040
>> Yes, sir.

2124
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,000
Um

2125
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,640
It should be Rocky Mountain Power as

2126
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,440
opposed to U dot.

2127
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,960
Um this ordinance grants a non-exclusive

2128
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,800
franchise and general utility easement

2129
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,720
to Rocky Mountain Power for a period of

2130
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,360
25 years to access county rights of way

2131
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,320
to construct, operate, and maintain

2132
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,600
their electrical system. The previous

2133
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,080
agreement was for a term of 50 years.

2134
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,360
So, we just asked them to

2135
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,880
give us the county a little more

2136
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,400
flexibility and and extend that

2137
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,000
agreement for 25 years as opposed to 50.

2138
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,720
>> Okay. Yes, Commissioner Abbott.

2139
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,320
>> Uh when was that 50-year term due to run

2140
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:54,960
out then?

2141
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:59,760
>> It runs out in '27.

2142
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,520
Uh it was from '77 to '27.

2143
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,480
>> Oh, well. Okay.

2144
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:05,960
>> Yes. So, yeah, so it's timely and we're

2145
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,440
just looking at having the advice.

2146
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,520
>> Yes, that's correct.

2147
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,600
>> A lot can happen in 25 years.

2148
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,320
>> Oh, yeah.

2149
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,320
>> What's happening in 50 years, typically?

2150
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,040
>> Um does this require a vote?

2151
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:19,640
>> Yes, sir.

2152
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,600
>> Okay. Yes, Commissioner McGann.

2153
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,360
>> I move to approve the franchise

2154
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,480
agreement with Rocky Mountain Power as

2155
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:27,360
presented.

2156
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,720
>> Motion by Commissioner McGann, second by

2157
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,240
Commissioner Martinez. Further

2158
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,270
discussion?

2159
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,480
Seeing none, I will call for a vote. All

2160
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:38,160
in favor?

2161
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,400
>> Aye.

2162
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,400
>> Passes six with one absent, Commissioner

2163
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,280
McCurdy. Thank you. Thank you, and we

2164
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,640
will move on then to resolution

2165
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,080
declaring May 15th

2166
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,760
Adventure Safe Day. 16th, I'm sorry. I

2167
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:54,960
didn't have it written down here. May

2168
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,360
16th as Adventure Safe Day. Commissioner

2169
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,680
Martinez. Be safe.

2170
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,280
>> Yeah, this just came across me. Yeah,

2171
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,040
this declaration is an integral part of

2172
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,280
the Always Adventure Safe statewide

2173
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,960
campaign. And yeah, Adventure Safe Day

2174
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,310
is May 16th.

2175
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,960
» All right.

2176
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,320
Yes, Commissioner Abbott.

2177
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:17,480
>> Uh move to approve the resolution

2178
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:21,240
declaring May 16th Adventure Safe Day.

2179
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,480
>> All right, motion by Commissioner

2180
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:23,960
Handler.

2181
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,880
Second by Commissioner McGann.

2182
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,520
Further discussion?

2183
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,120
Yes, sir.

2184
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,360
>> uh just a question for Brian. Is this Is

2185
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,080
this the first year they've done that?

2186
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,040
>> First year that we know of. Yeah, I

2187
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,200
think it's his

2188
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:37,400
It's a state initiative.

2189
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,640
>> Yeah, it's a state initiative but it's

2190
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:39,960
still already. Yeah, I think it's coming

2191
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,720
from the governor's office that's coming

2192
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,280
through, so.

2193
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:45,720
>> All right.

2194
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,800
No further discussion?

2195
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,480
All right, I will call for a vote. All

2196
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:51,280
in favor?

2197
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,440
Passes

2198
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:55,520
with one absent, Commissioner McCurdy.

2199
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,310
Hopefully he's being safe.

2200
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:04,630
All right, we will move on to

2201
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,000
I'm permitting.

2202
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:07,360
Turn on the

2203
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,520
>> Chief Jameson wants to talk.

2204
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,800
>> Jameson does? All right.

2205
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,360
Move on then to our elected officials'

2206
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,640
reports. We'll let Mr. Wiggins

2207
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,920
start us off here.

2208
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,800
>> All right, thanks, guys.

2209
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,640
Real quick, I was just going to talk

2210
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,640
about a couple things. The first thing

2211
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,640
is I just signed a BLM contract for

2212
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,760
another 5 years paying for our deputy

2213
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,280
hours to patrol on BLM land.

2214
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,760
This time it's a little bit different.

2215
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:35,880
They're going to pay for dispatch

2216
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,720
services and they're also paying to use

2217
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,080
our computer operating system. And that

2218
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,920
money goes to fund our search and rescue

2219
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,720
commander position. The idea behind that

2220
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,680
is because of uh our search and rescue

2221
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,240
most of our search and rescues happen on

2222
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,280
BLM land. So, we have a good working

2223
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,480
relationship with the BLM.

2224
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,480
So, that's a good thing. Um the next

2225
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,400
thing I'd talk about is South Valley

2226
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,280
SWAT. Their tactical team's going to be

2227
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:59,880
in town this weekend.

2228
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:01,480
We're going to be doing a joint training

2229
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,280
with my tactical team as well as San

2230
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,920
Juan County. So, in case you guys see

2231
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,120
officers in camo and long guns,

2232
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,400
no need to worry about that.

2233
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,760
Um

2234
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,400
Starlinks uh emergency manager Kate

2235
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,840
wrote a grant to uh purchase a bunch of

2236
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,160
Starlinks for our patrol vehicles.

2237
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,120
That was 100% covered by the State

2238
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,800
Homeland Security Project. And we've

2239
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,880
started to implement that and roll that

2240
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,160
out, and we've had a lot of good

2241
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,800
feedback on that so far.

2242
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,320
Um and then the last thing I would talk

2243
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,920
about is the C10 car show is coming up.

2244
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,760
The money that's raised from the C10 car

2245
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,920
show

2246
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,480
is donated to our search and rescue

2247
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,720
team. Last year, they donated about

2248
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,880
$15,000 towards our SAR team. Don't

2249
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,520
quote me on that. This year, they sold

2250
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,200
the event out within 72 hours.

2251
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,160
Uh he ran out of space at the Smyrna

2252
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:53,600
City Park.

2253
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,360
And so it's it's a big event. We're

2254
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,800
doing um

2255
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,200
we'll we'll have a big presence there.

2256
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,960
So, I encourage everybody to show up if

2257
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:02,080
you're able to to uh help support the

2258
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,200
good cause. The person that puts that

2259
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,120
program on, he was actually rescued by

2260
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,720
our search and rescue team several years

2261
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,360
ago. And so, it's his way of giving

2262
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,800
back.

2263
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:12,920
>> Okay.

2264
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,680
>> And that's all I've got.

2265
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,640
>> All right. Um yeah, I was there last

2266
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,000
year for that. I thought it was a great

2267
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,240
event.

2268
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,680
Yes, Commissioner Martinez.

2269
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,840
>> Yeah, I just wanted to pass along my

2270
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,800
gratitude, Jameson, on the popsicles for

2271
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,880
seatbelts. As a dad of a a new driver, I

2272
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,240
thought it was a a great little thing

2273
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:32,160
that you did out there at the high

2274
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,160
school. So, thanks.

2275
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,240
>> Well, thank you. Yeah, it was

2276
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,280
surprisingly everybody had their

2277
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,720
seatbelts on, so it was good.

2278
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,200
>> My condolences, Brian.

2279
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,330
>> Yeah, I was going to say I was sorry.

2280
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:44,550
>> [laughter]

2281
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,400
» And just another quick note on top of

2282
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,120
what Sheriff Wiggins has mentioned here

2283
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,440
in his work with the BLM,

2284
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,960
also Dave Paules at the BLM, the

2285
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,360
local director, has moved

2286
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,520
as well as moved to another entity

2287
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,800
entirely for his work.

2288
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,720
So, that position is being got an

2289
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,040
intern. It's Jill Stephenson, if I might

2290
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,360
pronounce that correctly. So, Dave

2291
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,720
Paules has moved on. So, we will miss

2292
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:12,960
him, I'm sure.

2293
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,000
>> Yeah, that would be great.

2294
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,360
>> Thanks, sir. Just a

2295
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,400
few updates from UAC.

2296
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,520
Some Some things that more impact the

2297
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,160
kind of criminal prosecution world.

2298
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,320
They're looking at redoing some of the

2299
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,240
sentencing matrix and there's a new

2300
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,200
sentencing committee that they're

2301
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:30,720
putting together. They've changed a

2302
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,040
little bit the makeup of who's on that

2303
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,640
statewide committee.

2304
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,120
So, they're making some adjustments

2305
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:37,160
there.

2306
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,600
UAC is providing additional follow-up

2307
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,200
and encouraging folks to join their

2308
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,120
policy steering committees. It's open to

2309
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,640
any elected for them to be able to

2310
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,080
review those. They meet

2311
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,720
less less often on the off season, but

2312
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:51,800
they're meeting weekly during the

2313
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,200
session.

2314
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,520
A fun

2315
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,600
point of note, they have recodified or

2316
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:57,880
changed the codes or will change the

2317
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,720
codes to the TRT codes. I think we're

2318
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,160
probably one of the few counties that is

2319
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,280
really

2320
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,320
on the governor's pulse on that one.

2321
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,960
SB 91, there's a potential for an

2322
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,040
increase of revenue coming into the

2323
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,320
county for the DMV,

2324
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,840
for the assessor's offices that are

2325
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,920
managing the DMVs, there's potential for

2326
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,160
them to receive some additional revenue.

2327
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,040
I've alerted our assessor to that

2328
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,600
information. I don't know exactly how

2329
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,960
much they're going to receive. And then

2330
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,400
lastly, there's conversations

2331
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,000
surrounding the centrally assessed

2332
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,680
valuation, how that process gets done,

2333
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,240
and UAC is leading the charge on helping

2334
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,840
the counties not have to suffer the

2335
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,280
brunt of the appeals and and they're

2336
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,880
looking at having some sort of statewide

2337
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,360
system to be able to balance that.

2338
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:43,960
So, those are some information for you

2339
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,880
folks. Next week is the CJC symposium.

2340
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,720
The county through the funding that the

2341
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,520
CJC provides sends a number of

2342
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,440
individuals up to Snowbird to get

2343
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,960
training on the child justice

2344
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,440
central reforms and best practices.

2345
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,200
We'll send a few members from law

2346
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,040
enforcement, prosecution, Andrea, among

2347
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,320
some others who go up. And then the week

2348
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,400
following, I'll be heading to Texas for

2349
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,200
ICCR which is the at the Institute on

2350
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:12,880
the coordinated community response to

2351
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,840
domestic violence. In fact, they're in

2352
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,720
town today providing the training.

2353
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,240
That's that year-long program that

2354
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,040
thanks to the city,

2355
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,920
we were selected as one of four

2356
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,840
communities across the US then to fly us

2357
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,120
out to Texas, give us per diem hotel

2358
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,120
room, and then bring

2359
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:30,960
a training quarterly here throughout the

2360
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,760
last year. And so this is the final

2361
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,840
hurrah of that program. So, that's all

2362
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,120
the updates that I have.

2363
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,360
>> All right. Do we have anything from our

2364
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,480
administrator?

2365
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,640
>> I don't have anything.

2366
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,280
>> Do we have any commissioners that would

2367
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,560
like to

2368
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,120
weigh in and give an update?

2369
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,920
>> I don't I don't want to give an update.

2370
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,880
Can I ask Can I ask Brian Can I ask you

2371
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,000
a question? Is that possible? Cuz I read

2372
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,200
your report and thank you. Well, no.

2373
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,800
>> I do I have a question about

2374
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:00,280
>> Yeah.

2375
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,040
>> The update on the Colorado.

2376
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,240
>> Oh, that'll be good, too. But yeah, your

2377
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:05,880
commissioner report. But if you want to

2378
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,000
give it, then maybe you'll

2379
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,560
>> No, no, no. No, not my commissioner

2380
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:09,640
report. Yeah, go ahead. If you have a

2381
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:10,360
question about it.

2382
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,920
>> Um I just noticed that you guys had a

2383
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,520
the artist shadow working group. Do you

2384
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,400
want to give me kind of any little

2385
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:17,720
tidbits on that?

2386
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,640
>> Sure. Yeah, yeah. There's progress.

2387
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:20,800
Yeah, I think that right now I think

2388
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,160
that things to know is that we have kind

2389
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,440
of unanimous work around the major

2390
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:25,480
groups.

2391
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:27,720
Um we are working through a couple of

2392
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,880
things.

2393
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,160
And I think that I was planning on the

2394
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,440
next commission meeting bringing forward

2395
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:35,080
kind of where we've landed on that.

2396
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:35,520
>> Okay.

2397
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,320
>> So, right now we're working on the

2398
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,040
um

2399
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,240
on

2400
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,600
a CMA cooperative management agreement

2401
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,640
to see if that would be a possibility,

2402
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,040
and then trying to put the funding

2403
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,560
package together to see how that would

2404
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:48,200
look as well.

2405
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,240
>> Okay, so so maybe the next meeting.

2406
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:51,440
>> The next meeting. Yeah, yeah. So, we

2407
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,200
have a we have a

2408
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,760
another meeting scheduled next Monday.

2409
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,240
So, at that meeting right there I think

2410
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:58,360
that we should have some pretty good

2411
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,520
answers to bring forward to the

2412
01:31:59,520 --> 01:31:59,920
commission.

2413
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:01,640
>> Great. And I appreciate your reports.

2414
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,240
They're They're They're detailed and it

2415
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,120
helps me see what's going on. Thank

2416
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,240
>> If you have any questions, just let me

2417
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:06,520
know.

2418
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,400
>> That's awesome. Thank you.

2419
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,240
>> For anyone else?

2420
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,520
Commission reports, Mr. Adler.

2421
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,200
>> I'd like to highlight something and that

2422
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,480
was the I wanted to thank the governor

2423
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,120
for coming down for the groundbreaking

2424
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,360
on the

2425
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,360
work that they're doing out in the river

2426
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,640
pathway to close the gap. That was That

2427
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:26,840
was an awesome event. A bunch of you

2428
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,320
were there and also wanted to express

2429
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,560
appreciation to the office of the

2430
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,240
governor for asking our local bike team

2431
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,200
to set.

2432
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,320
And they are There was a It was an honor

2433
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,750
for for the kids to get to do that.

2434
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,480
» Well, anyone else? Commissioner McGann.

2435
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,040
>> Oh, just

2436
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,120
let you know that uh

2437
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,640
county stole a great

2438
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,149
employee

2439
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:53,160
>> [laughter]

2440
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,080
>> from the solid waste special service,

2441
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,200
Mr. Lilly. So, we're going to be really

2442
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,080
I mean, I'm happy for the county and I'm

2443
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,600
sad for the

2444
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,720
solid waste and this we did have a

2445
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:06,800
workshop last Thursday that was

2446
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,000
incredibly

2447
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,880
It It was great. You know, it's moving

2448
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,840
forward in a very positive way.

2449
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:14,760
So,

2450
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,760
definitely go into the details, but it

2451
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,160
was

2452
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,230
We will miss Lilly.

2453
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:22,880
» Anyone else?

2454
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,040
>> I've been going to the update that I

2455
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:25,680
have with the Colorado River right now.

2456
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,720
>> Um I'll give a brief one.

2457
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:28,400
>> Okay.

2458
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,160
>> And then we can move on.

2459
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,160
USAC was very eventful as Steven

2460
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:33,800
Stockton said.

2461
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,880
There was a legislative panel and

2462
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,640
actually I am seat for the commission

2463
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,000
this year as the chair of USAC.

2464
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,600
But there was a legislative panel there

2465
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,520
and we discussed the centrally assessed

2466
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,280
areas well and I just wanted to put out

2467
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,640
a a quote that Carl Albrecht gave us.

2468
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,400
And he said, "Commissioner, that is a

2469
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,200
tough nut to crack." Because I asked him

2470
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,240
I ask always, "When are we going to get

2471
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,925
there, but that was his quote

2472
01:34:00,925 --> 01:34:00,960
>> [laughter]

2473
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,080
>> at that legislative panel and

2474
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,440
>> Don't expect he's wrong.

2475
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,720
>> Yeah, exactly. It's a It's a huge

2476
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,520
battle. There is a lot of more positive

2477
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,720
movement between the assessors and the

2478
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,200
residential and commercial real estate.

2479
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,320
They They are making some progress in

2480
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,800
trying to balance that out.

2481
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,040
Um anyone that brings up centrally

2482
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,280
assessed is um

2483
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,200
Uh we bring it up all the time, but it's

2484
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:28,160
just

2485
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,720
It's a very large thing and it feels

2486
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,560
like maybe the They have better

2487
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,760
lobbyists than we do on our end.

2488
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,000
>> What do you think?

2489
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,880
>> Something else is something else.

2490
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,480
>> Return to

2491
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:39,600
>> I would imagine.

2492
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:40,880
>> I was also at the thing where the

2493
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,920
governor was privileged to speak, you

2494
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,040
know, following along there. Um it was a

2495
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,520
great honor.

2496
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,320
You know, as I mentioned in that speech,

2497
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,280
that's where when I came to Moab, I

2498
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,320
literally lived in that park until we

2499
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,040
could find housing in this town. It was

2500
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,280
a little camp park at the time I moved

2501
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:56,920
in, but

2502
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,040
>> Very very little.

2503
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,240
>> Very little. And then also I was in a

2504
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:01,960
meeting yesterday that um was very

2505
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,560
productive and we were asking, when I

2506
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,720
say we, it was Commissioner Maun from

2507
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,520
San Juan County and myself and we were

2508
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,800
asking to utilize the

2509
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,320
phase two funds to help get the road

2510
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,720
system and the

2511
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,440
parking lots ready for the NICA races

2512
01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:21,600
and they approved us and allow and

2513
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,720
allowing us to do that and then we'll be

2514
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,760
able to come back, I think, in the fall

2515
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:26,760
to

2516
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:30,000
reapply for phase two money, but this

2517
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,120
will just

2518
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,960
hopefully, I can't guarantee you nothing

2519
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,240
in life's guaranteed, but that we'll be

2520
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,560
open and ready for those NICA races this

2521
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:39,760
fall that they want to hold them. I

2522
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,960
think they've got two scheduled. So,

2523
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,520
that that's just a brief one I've got

2524
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,200
and then Commissioner Martinez

2525
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,000
Take it away.

2526
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:48,920
>> Yeah.

2527
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,520
Thanks. So, um

2528
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:52,720
there's just There's been a lot of talk

2529
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,200
about what's been happening in the

2530
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,880
Colorado River and um, I just kind of

2531
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,320
want to go through a couple of things

2532
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,080
um, that that we've that we've

2533
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,920
that have gone on. So, the 2026 Drought

2534
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,880
Response Operation, which is called

2535
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,800
Drola, that was signed April 21st.

2536
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,840
And then Brandon Gearhart of the Upper

2537
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,640
Colorado River Commission, this was his

2538
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:15,680
quote,

2539
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,280
"Uh, we expect three of the five Flaming

2540
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,720
Gorge boat ramps in Wyoming will be

2541
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,600
rendered unusable and low reservoir

2542
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,000
levels will have long-lasting negative

2543
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,640
impacts on reservoir fisheries.

2544
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,360
We recognize that we are what we are

2545
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,680
approving today will have significant

2546
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,360
negative impact on our water resources,

2547
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,440
local economies, and recreation."

2548
01:36:38,440 --> 01:36:42,320
And so, Drola is part of the uh, um,

2549
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,760
of the 2019 Colorado River Drought

2550
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,720
Contingency Plan. And so, for the upper

2551
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,560
Colorado River Basin.

2552
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,280
And their aim is to minimize the risk of

2553
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,240
Lake Powell declining below critical

2554
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,080
elevations. So, the

2555
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,160
Drought Response Operation Plan address

2556
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,480
critical water levels at Lake Powell's

2557
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:06,200
and Reclamation has identified 3,500 ft

2558
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,240
above sea level. That's the level of

2559
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,840
Lake Powell as the operational elevation

2560
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,680
to provide protection for the for the

2561
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,000
system.

2562
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,880
So, developed by the upper basin and the

2563
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,520
Bureau of Drola authorized a drought

2564
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,440
release of 660,000

2565
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,520
to 1 million acre-feet from Flaming

2566
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:27,080
Gorge Reservoir through April 2027.

2567
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:28,440
Um, but there's a little catch right

2568
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:30,240
there. So, due to the uncertainty

2569
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,640
regarding water year 2027 operations, as

2570
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,720
in we don't have an interim guideline

2571
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,080
set yet, um, the upper basin had

2572
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:40,280
determined that they are not they are

2573
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,120
currently unable to analyze the

2574
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,480
effectiveness of the 2026 plan beyond

2575
01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:48,200
September 30th, 2026,

2576
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,040
right? Given that the drought agreements

2577
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,640
will expire.

2578
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,160
Um, there's additional contingency

2579
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,040
releases that may be drawn from Blue

2580
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,760
Mesa and Navajo Reservoir depending on

2581
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,520
water availability after the 2026

2582
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,520
irrigation season, but once again,

2583
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,040
that's after that um the um agreements

2584
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,440
expire.

2585
01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:10,480
Um, the Department of the Interior also

2586
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,040
announced April 17th that the Secretary

2587
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,600
is planning to reduce Glen Canyon Dam

2588
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:19,440
releases to 7.8 million acre feet to 6

2589
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:23,040
million acre feet in water year 2026

2590
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,520
pursuant to section 16 of the 2024

2591
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,560
supplemental environmental impact

2592
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,080
statement of the 2007

2593
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,480
Colorado River interim guidelines. So,

2594
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:35,920
we're going to raise the flow and then

2595
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,840
we're going to drop the outflow, right?

2596
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,200
So, inflow is going up, outflow is going

2597
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,000
down. Um, starting May 1st, 2026, flows

2598
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:49,640
from Flaming Gorge Dam will be at full power, which is 4,600

2599
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,600
cfs. And then starting May 4th, 2026,

2600
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,800
following the power plant capacity

2601
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,440
release, uh Reclamation will implement a

2602
01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:01,720
larval trigger study plan uh release for

2603
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,280
the razorback sucker fish. Uh, this will

2604
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,360
include an additional bypass of about

2605
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:11,960
4,000 cfs. So, flows totaling 8,600 cfs

2606
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:13,280
coming out.

2607
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,080
Um, based on the April forecast, Bureau

2608
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,480
expects the inflow and outflow

2609
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:21,080
modifications will prevent Lake Powell

2610
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,480
from reaching minimum power pool.

2611
01:39:23,480 --> 01:39:26,400
Um, Amy Hass, the executive director of

2612
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,840
the Colorado River Authority of Utah,

2613
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:30,640
um, this was her quote. She says, "I

2614
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,640
wish I could say I was confident in that

2615
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,280
forecast. I'm not because the changes

2616
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,080
that we've seen over the last couple

2617
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,200
months." End quote.

2618
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,480
Um, if Glen Canyon de- continues to

2619
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:45,880
decline below 3,490

2620
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:47,840
ft right there,

2621
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,040
water releases would only be through the

2622
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,200
river outlet works,

2623
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,560
which could cause operational issues,

2624
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,440
downstream impacts, instability in the

2625
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:00,440
region while regional power and the

2626
01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:02,120
water supplies.

2627
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,920
Additionally, you have reduced release

2628
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,400
reduced releases from Lake Powell will

2629
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,320
accelerate the decline of Lake Mead with

2630
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,360
the potential for an additional 40%

2631
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,960
reduction to Hoover Dam's hydropower

2632
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,320
generating capacity as early as this

2633
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:18,920
fall.

2634
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,320
Jenny Dumas, the water attorney for the

2635
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,800
Hikarilla Apache Nation, had this quote

2636
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,040
which I thought was really interesting.

2637
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,040
It's going to take time to recover these

2638
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,720
reservoirs before we can do this again.

2639
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,120
So while we can exhaust our reserves to

2640
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,640
avoid system collapse this year, that

2641
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,760
means reserves won't be there next year.

2642
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,400
That was the end of her quote. So with

2643
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,000
Lake Powell's

2644
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,800
minimum probable inflow this year

2645
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,560
forecasted at 2.78

2646
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,360
million acre feet, the system faces a

2647
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,720
deficit of 4.7 million acre feet

2648
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,520
relative to the delivery of the

2649
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,120
obligations set by the Colorado River

2650
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,320
Compact. We have a law for the river

2651
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,880
that no longer exists right now.

2652
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,360
Complete capacity inside of Flaming

2653
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:14,120
Gorge is 3.1 million acre feet.

2654
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:17,200
With all that, Arizona's Department of

2655
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,440
Water Resources released a statement

2656
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:21,560
agreeing with plans to order upstream

2657
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,200
releases to stabilize Lake Powell, but

2658
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,880
also warning that revised downstream

2659
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,400
releases were quote substantially less

2660
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,480
than required under the 1922 Colorado

2661
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:36,160
River Compact. Failure to comply is

2662
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,440
itself is itself a serious development

2663
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:42,080
that Arizona will assess and respond to

2664
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,720
accordingly. Unquote. Um Utah leaders

2665
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:47,680
and that was in the document that I that

2666
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,680
I did provide on there from the Utah

2667
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,240
Colorado River Authority have said that

2668
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,280
Utah leaders have been direct that

2669
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:57,320
litigation will not produce more water.

2670
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:58,360
Um

2671
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,680
they will yeah, the the upper basin

2672
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,400
states Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, and New

2673
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,760
Mexico are calling for state leaders to

2674
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,680
return to the table

2675
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:09,880
um and bring in a a negotiator into the

2676
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,080
room. The Times Independent has covered

2677
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,960
that pretty well, I think, recently. Um

2678
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,560
couple of other things over the next

2679
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,840
week Bullfrog Marina will be brief

2680
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,560
relocating to Halls uh to maintain

2681
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,480
marina operations.

2682
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:24,080
Um

2683
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:28,440
Currently, Lake Powell is at 3,526

2684
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:31,240
ft elevation. And then in the packet, I

2685
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,040
also put a picture of the the new North

2686
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,600
Wash boat ramp um right there and that

2687
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,360
was from 5:30. So,

2688
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,080
yeah, there's there's a lot going on.

2689
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:42,360
We're good.

2690
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,840
>> And if I could

2691
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,000
Gary.

2692
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,120
Okay.

2693
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:48,200
>> Yes, Commissioner.

2694
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,280
>> Um that was excellent. Thank you. Thank

2695
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,280
you for the update. And and I guess just

2696
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:55,080
uh I won't say much, but you know, we

2697
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,040
sit back. It's really easy to sit back

2698
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,720
and and

2699
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:05,440
it's so hard to watch this system um

2700
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:06,680
collapsing.

2701
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,160
And so it's it's also overwhelming.

2702
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,280
And you might be you might be saying,

2703
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:12,800
"What can we do? What can we do? What

2704
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:14,880
can we do?" The reality is we are the

2705
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,600
local land use authority and there are

2706
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,280
things that we can do. And so that's all

2707
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:19,640
I'm going to say.

2708
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,200
Um but to continue to put stress on that

2709
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,680
river [clears throat] is something that

2710
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,720
we as a local land use authority really

2711
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:31,160
need to think seriously about. Um it is

2712
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,600
that river

2713
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,680
is the most Well, it's the most

2714
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,480
endangered river in the United States,

2715
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:39,000
for sure,

2716
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,840
if not, you know,

2717
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,440
the world. It is under extreme stress.

2718
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:48,280
The climate is changing. I don't use the

2719
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,200
word climate change. I use the term

2720
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,040
aridification.

2721
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,720
Um and and there's literally, you know,

2722
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,640
hundreds, if not thousands, of research

2723
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:00,160
papers to to back up that term. And so,

2724
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:03,440
I I would just say that it's easy to be

2725
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,200
overwhelmed and to be like, what can we

2726
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:07,840
do? And we do we can do something.

2727
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,520
That's all I'm going to say.

2728
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,960
You might want to

2729
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:11,880
I'm sorry.

2730
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,160
>> Yes, Commissioner Magaña.

2731
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:14,800
>> I just said you might want to explain

2732
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:15,760
that term.

2733
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,520
>> You know, aridification?

2734
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,440
It's just we're becoming, you know, so

2735
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:21,720
it's getting hotter. We have less

2736
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,400
precipitation. Soil moisture is going

2737
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,080
down, so it's just becoming more arid.

2738
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,240
We're We're becoming a more arid region,

2739
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,280
specifically the Colorado Plateau, where

2740
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,390
we exist. So, yeah.

2741
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,720
» All right. Anyone else?

2742
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,640
We have the Fixed Guideway Subcommittee

2743
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,240
update report.

2744
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,400
Who was going to give that?

2745
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,800
>> Well, I think we were just um we we've

2746
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,160
included uh meeting notes from those

2747
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,120
meetings going forward just to keep the

2748
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:54,440
Oh, okay. We're done. I don't I don't

2749
01:44:54,440 --> 01:44:56,600
necessarily think we need to

2750
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:01,120
do a full report. Um but I think that

2751
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,080
was pretty comprehensive.

2752
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,880
>> All right. Sounds good.

2753
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:10,120
I believe that that brings us to 5:45.

2754
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:14,040
Do we want to um out of a closed session

2755
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,440
for our 6:00 citizens be heard?

2756
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:18,680
>> I think it'd be easier if we

2757
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,440
perhaps call recess,

2758
01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:22,240
then have the 6:00 citizens be heard, if

2759
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:24,280
any, and then go into closed session.

2760
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:25,280
>> Okay.

2761
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,000
>> All right. With that, I will call a

2762
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:30,240
recess at 5:46. We will come back at

2763
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:36,430
6:00 p.m. for our citizens to be heard.

2764
01:45:36,440 --> 01:45:44,510
Thank you.

2765
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,280
» The Board of Engineers.

2766
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:46,880
>> Oh, really?

2767
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,280
>> Mechanics, right? Is that what you said?

2768
01:45:48,280 --> 01:53:09,750
>> Engineers.

2769
01:53:09,760 --> 01:59:29,950
» Mhm.

2770
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:41,590
» Melody, can you hear us again all right?

2771
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:43,160
Melody,

2772
01:59:43,160 --> 01:59:46,310
are you back online?

2773
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,280
» Hello.

2774
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:49,920
Oh, she's here.

2775
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,800
>> You're back. All right. It is 6:00 p.m.

2776
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,080
I will call this meeting back to order.

2777
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:57,720
We had a brief recess as we closed

2778
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:00,360
business early tonight.

2779
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:01,760
And with that,

2780
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:03,560
we will have our 6:00 p.m. citizens to

2781
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:07,000
be heard. I will take volunteers. Anyone

2782
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,240
want to come up?

2783
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:12,230
Mr. Day.

2784
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:14,960
Thank you. Appreciate it.

2785
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,280
>> Um I've had a couple of concerns.

2786
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,520
Um first, my name is Randy Day.

2787
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:23,000
I live on Drive.

2788
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:24,720
Here in Moab, Utah and have for a long

2789
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,440
time. In the valley, in the city, in the

2790
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,960
county. Um been involved in the uh

2791
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:32,320
planning commission of late. I'm a

2792
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,160
planning commission member.

2793
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:36,200
And I've really enjoyed that. It's a lot

2794
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:38,440
of fun. It takes us a lot of time, feels

2795
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:39,960
like to me to get our feet going to get

2796
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,480
things done. And it's been my

2797
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,080
understanding that we have two liaisons

2798
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:46,520
from the county.

2799
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:48,920
And and Trish Hedden has been a

2800
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:51,800
wonderful asset as far as I'm concerned.

2801
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:53,520
Uh but as I understand it that Brian

2802
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:55,560
Martinez was our county commission

2803
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:58,400
liaison. If there is a code or there is

2804
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:02,320
a rule that you have passed that we have

2805
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,080
to, I would love to see it. Because of

2806
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:06,960
Robert's Rules of Orders, I look at it

2807
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:09,720
and I see it as an out-of-order place

2808
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:11,200
that

2809
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,080
Trish Hedden, and not her personally,

2810
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:16,080
but that position that she's holding is

2811
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:19,080
there. It causes conflict for me as a

2812
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,640
member of the board because I got two

2813
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,360
definitely conflicting opinions on the

2814
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:26,480
board from the different commissioners

2815
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,680
that we have. Whether that's good or

2816
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,200
bad, it's not the purpose of a liaison

2817
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:32,400
in my opinion. A liaison is to bring

2818
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,200
your wishes from the council to us, not

2819
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:37,200
with a dividing opinion, but with that

2820
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:39,600
opinion. Our job is to promote what we

2821
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,240
have to you through that liaison.

2822
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,280
Correct me if I'm wrong. If I've got

2823
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,720
different opinions from the liaisons, we

2824
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:50,200
have a conflict. Okay, that's my problem

2825
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:52,080
with that. If you think that we need

2826
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,560
that many, then you can put two more

2827
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:55,200
council members on there, commission

2828
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:57,320
members from the county, and we can all

2829
02:01:57,320 --> 02:01:58,640
go home. You'll have a quorum and you'll

2830
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:00,200
be ready to go.

2831
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:01,800
If you really want our input and want us

2832
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:03,480
to go to work, you need to There's a lot

2833
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:05,360
of discussion that's unnecessary in that

2834
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,680
meeting because of those two opinions.

2835
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:09,280
And I appreciate them both and I'm not

2836
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:10,920
having a heart attack over which one

2837
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,080
gets to stay, but I'm going to tell you

2838
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:15,080
it's not good for that board. It is

2839
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:16,440
dragging our feet. You've given us a

2840
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,240
mission and we're not going to complete

2841
02:02:18,240 --> 02:02:20,120
it the way things are going right now. I

2842
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:22,160
promise. It's not going to happen. And

2843
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:24,000
we're going to get this. Also, that

2844
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,800
leads me into a good segue of talking

2845
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:28,480
about any kind of moratorium on people

2846
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,280
that wanted use planning and zoning to

2847
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:32,680
go forward with their projects. It is

2848
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:35,480
almost nonsensical

2849
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:37,560
to stop that and put a moratorium on

2850
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,800
that and here's why.

2851
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,400
Our lack as a county government to do

2852
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,200
our jobs should not be an emergency for

2853
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:48,360
us to call because we don't do it. Those

2854
02:02:48,360 --> 02:02:49,880
people have a right to go forward with

2855
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:51,600
whatever it is they're doing. There's

2856
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:53,080
nothing that we should be doing to

2857
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,800
inhibit that. That's our fault. Shame on

2858
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,720
us. Don't put it on the people in the

2859
02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,160
public to drag it out another 6 months

2860
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:01,800
or whatever more time you think you want

2861
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:04,840
to do. It's wrong and should not happen.

2862
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:06,680
And it shouldn't be voted to have that

2863
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:08,360
because of us.

2864
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,120
If it was something they did, that's one

2865
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:11,400
thing. If there's something we couldn't

2866
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:14,480
see coming, that's another. But we know

2867
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:16,400
we're in the middle of our plan.

2868
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:17,960
And we know that and we've been working

2869
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:19,040
on this for a long time and we're

2870
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:20,880
dragging our feet.

2871
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:22,840
And I don't like that. Let's go through

2872
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:24,600
this thing line item by line item. I'm

2873
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:26,760
ready to work two or three days a week,

2874
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:28,560
whatever it takes to get it done so that

2875
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:29,920
this county has a really good

2876
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:32,320
comprehensive plan that you can punch

2877
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,280
the button and find out what you can and

2878
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,200
cannot do. Thank you for your time. I

2879
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:38,880
appreciate it. My minutes are up.

2880
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:41,480
Thank you, sir.

2881
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:45,040
Do we have further? Anyone else?

2882
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,320
Do we have anybody online, Quinn?

2883
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:48,960
>> No.

2884
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:53,350
>> All right.

2885
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:54,160
» I'll be dealing with

2886
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:56,990
>> Okay.

2887
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,960
All right. With that, um yes,

2888
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:01,040
Commissioner Hadler.

2889
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,200
>> I make a motion.

2890
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:02,800
>> Sure.

2891
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:05,280
>> I would move to go into closed session to discuss the

2892
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:06,640
character, professional competence,

2893
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:08,920
physical or mental health of an

2894
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:10,320
individual.

2895
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,000
>> All right. Motion to go into closed

2896
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:13,640
session.

2897
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:15,880
Seconded by Let's see. Motion by

2898
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:17,560
Commissioner Hadler, seconded by

2899
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:20,800
Commissioner McGann. Those in favor?

2900
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,590
>> I.

2901
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:27,390
» Those opposed?

2902
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:30,080
So, we have four in favor,

2903
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:33,480
two opposed, one abstaining.

2904
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:34,960
Closed session.

2905
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:36,840
>> So, we can talk about I don't know if

2906
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:39,360
the if the body wants to talk about it

2907
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,880
in open session, I would encourage the

2908
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:43,440
commission to consider going into closed

2909
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:45,840
session to have this conversation.

2910
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,720
>> Why are Why I I'm confused.

2911
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:51,320
>> We have We have I've talked about two

2912
02:04:51,320 --> 02:04:53,400
items to go into closed session and one

2913
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:54,840
commissioner can't vote on the closed

2914
02:04:54,840 --> 02:05:00,630
session basis. Yes or abstain.

2915
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:01,960
» How many What were What were the votes

2916
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:02,800
again?

2917
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:03,680
>> Four to one to two.

2918
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:04,920
>> Four to one

2919
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,560
>> Need five to go into closed session.

2920
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:14,990
>> Four to one abstain.

2921
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,960
» I I I'm I want to know

2922
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:20,400
I'm I'm surprised. I I had no idea that

2923
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:22,640
this would happen that we would not go

2924
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:25,240
into closed session, especially

2925
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:27,240
You know what You know, I can't say what

2926
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,080
we were we were planning on discussing,

2927
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:32,520
but I I don't understand. I I

2928
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:35,960
>> An option would be the chair can We can

2929
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:37,600
look at discussing with the chair to

2930
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:39,360
call an emergency meeting. This is

2931
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,520
something that will come up

2932
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:43,480
if the commission does not want it to be

2933
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,000
discussed in closed session, it will

2934
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,680
have to be discussed in open session.

2935
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:48,840
>> Who was opposed? [clears throat]

2936
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:50,040
Sorry, you didn't call that. Who was

2937
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:51,000
opposed?

2938
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,640
>> Commissioner Winfield and Commissioner

2939
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:56,150
Martinez.

2940
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:57,600
» Okay, so did you guys want to talk about

2941
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:59,400
this in open session?

2942
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:01,280
>> No, we don't even think it should be

2943
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:04,000
discussed whatsoever.

2944
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,320
>> Um it has to be.

2945
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:06,920
>> So, our our

2946
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:08,720
county attorney believes it needs to be

2947
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:09,920
discussed.

2948
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:11,800
>> Right, but the county attorney is here

2949
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:13,920
to advise us.

2950
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,120
>> Yeah.

2951
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:16,200
>> Okay.

2952
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:18,800
Uh well, I will provide a follow-up to

2953
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:22,040
the to the chair for consideration.

2954
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:24,040
This will be something I I I have I have

2955
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,680
a statutory obligation to raise this and

2956
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:28,760
so

2957
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:30,200
I will raise raise it for the chair for

2958
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,560
consideration and

2959
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:33,240
um

2960
02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:34,960
that's all I can do.

2961
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:36,840
>> And I think that was there was another

2962
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:38,760
item that we wanted to talk about in

2963
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,840
closed session as well

2964
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:43,240
that relates to Grandma's.

2965
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:45,960
>> Yeah, I want to can we do the one

2966
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:47,920
what would that be under?

2967
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,240
>> It's not character and context.

2968
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:50,720
>> That would be a different motion. We can

2969
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:52,720
talk about it in open session as well if

2970
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:54,320
that's what you guys want to do.

2971
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:55,120
>> It's

2972
02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:55,680
same motion.

2973
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:56,880
>> No, it isn't.

2974
02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,030
>> But I was going to check.

2975
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:02,840
» Could we We can table

2976
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:04,080
>> Correct if I am not mistaken.

2977
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:05,960
>> That that discussion could potentially

2978
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:06,960
wait till next meeting.

2979
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,120
>> Sure. I mean both of them can. One one's

2980
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:10,520
going to be more

2981
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:12,800
>> I agree.

2982
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:16,120
>> Uh I I will follow up and provide uh

2983
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:17,840
I guess I'll provide the commissioners

2984
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:19,280
updated information on what their

2985
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,590
options are proceeding forward.

2986
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:25,400
» Okay.

2987
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:27,440
All right. With that

2988
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:30,760
I will adjourn this meeting at 6:08 p.m.

2989
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:32,320
Thank you everybody.

2990
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:36,510
>> All right. Thanks.

2991
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:37,720
» Thank you Melody.

2992
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:40,200
>> Bye.