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Welcome everyone to the

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regular scheduled Grant County

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Commissioner's meeting on May 19th. It's

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4:02 and we will call this meeting to

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order. We have in attendance Mr. Trisha

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Hedin, Mr. John Heather,

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Commissioner Brian Martinez.

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Is Mary on Zoom? Yes, yeah. Okay.

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Commissioner Mary McGlenn on Zoom.

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Mr. Mike McCurdy, Commissioner Bill

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Winfield, and myself, Commissioner Bill

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Kelly. Also, our clerk

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Administrator Martina, and also our

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auditor Shelly Wyant, and our county

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attorney is online, Stephen Stocks.

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And with that, you'll stand up for the

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America.

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And to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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right, we have our 4:00 citizens to

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be heard, so if you would like to speak,

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go ahead and raise your hand. We do have

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a 3-minute timer that our assistant is

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going to put up. So, when it turns red,

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stop. pop it in or I'll pop it up.

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3 minutes. Thank you. Okay, right here

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in the blue shirt. Come on up. You can

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use the podium here or sit down, either way. They have a

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microphone so hopefully the audience can

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hear you. Before you start, I just want

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to thank you for using your microphone

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for the hard of hearing of of us out

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there in the world. Rest of you, need to

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use your mic as well.

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>> Okay, got it.

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>> them that too, but thank you. I'm Diane

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Allen. I am retired from the National

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Park Service as Chief of Interpretation

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at Arches National Park.

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I participated in many many hours of

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planning while at the park. And I also

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ran the shuttle system at Stehekin and

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North Cascades National Park for 6

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years. So, a little bit of background

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back there. Um there's several things

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about this project that concern me. Um

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there's many more, but you won't give me

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a whole hour, so I'll try to narrow it

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down. Um I One of my concerns is

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transparency.

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Most of us have no idea what's been

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going on. It's planned. Now things are

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coming out that it's like time to vote

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on it. Um

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But there's a lot of operational issues

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that I think many of us have questions

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about. For instance, VIA or VIA, the

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company that operates the Moab area

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transit um and

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transit their shuttles in other

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communities, apparently it has already

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been chosen as the shuttle provider for

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Arches. Or at least they think they

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have. They issued a feasibility

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statement. I'm not sure exactly what it

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was meant to be. Saying that they could

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begin as soon as yesterday.

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Somehow that just ain't right.

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Mr. Martinez, you state that the shuttle

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will, quote, "Protect the park,

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strengthen our economy, and improve

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quality of life for locals." I sure like

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to see some specifics on all of those

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because it just doesn't make sense to

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me. I realize that you're primarily

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focusing on the economy. And my big

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issue, of course, as most of the people

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out here are concerned about is the

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funding. Um I am no expert on TRT

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funding and what it's supposed to be

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used for and all of the hullabaloo

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that's been going on about it. But it

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just seems like there are many other

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community needs that could be met by

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that half a million dollars, which is a

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lot of money. Um

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to be a one-time statement of TRT money

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or if that's going to continue every

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or as long as the shuttle is in

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operation. I realize it's a pilot

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program, but what happens in the future?

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will actually enhance the visitors'

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experience at Arches. I know there are

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people that will disagree with that, but

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that's my opinion. Um I also find it

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interesting that somehow having a

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shuttle system will protect park

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resources. I don't see that happening at

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this august body is required to know a

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lot of things about a lot of different

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subjects,

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I don't think visitor management in a

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national park is in your job

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description. So, leave it to the

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professionals. Yes.

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All right.

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Axman, um

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concerned citizen,

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think a lot of what she said, but the

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transparency hasn't been that great.

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Um when you guys decided to get rid of

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the reservation system, I really liked

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the idea.

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problems, but

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it would have been really nice if you'd

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have worked through that before you just

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opened it up and then all of a sudden we have this

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transportation

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thing going on that nobody's even put

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any

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voice it to.

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Uh for one, um I don't know where the

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money's coming from cuz I thought we

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didn't have the money. And then all of a

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sudden, here's $500,000.

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Where did it come from? And here

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[clears throat] we are raising taxes on

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all of us locals. I just don't get it.

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man with the

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reservation system, I mean, there if you

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wanted to start by getting some of the businesses here

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in town to to get you guys in there or

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have people park at their businesses so

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they can put them on coaches and see how

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that works for a while. I mean, that

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We let's do some studying and stuff

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before we just throw this in. I don't know what you guys are thinking,

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but the transparency, like she said, is just not there.

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because I the stuff that I read, it

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doesn't look good. And if we have

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COVID or if we have something else,

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where's that

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where's the trans

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TRT money going to come from?

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I just don't think you guys have thought

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of this very through.

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Um so, please just take a step back.

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Let's figure out what we need to do and

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then we'll go from there. Thank you for

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all your hard work, by the way, cuz I

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know it's not easy.

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Come on up, Pete.

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I wanted to get it out of the way

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because then I can relax and listen to

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other people.

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My name is Pete Brust.

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I'd like to point out that the current

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majority campaigned on transparency and

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fiscal responsibility.

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How has that manifested itself?

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$1,000

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out of four to two vote four to two vote

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for the deceptively named Utah Public

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Council, which advocates for public

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lands grazing,

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>> even though Utah's percent of beef

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production in the US is like a small

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fraction of 1%.

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$10,000 for a dubious cloud seeding

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project in Grand County.

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$60,000

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I will. Kem C. Gardner

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uh uh policy Institute report

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to allegedly prove that timed entry

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depressed Moab's economy.

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And first of all, as even the person who

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advocated for that presented the idea

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pointed out, correlation does not prove

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causation.

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So, then the reality came out when the Kem C. Gardner report was

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issued,

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as chaos and congestion returned,

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you know, at the entrance to Arches,

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we find that visitor spending in Grand

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County during that timed entry period

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went up 22.2%.

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Visitor tax revenue increased 27.8%.

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16.3%.

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they also pointed out that it's likely

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that visit visitor

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visitors to Arches may have declined,

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but maybe those same visitors, because

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they didn't have to wait in line, they

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spent more time

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in Grand County, because some people

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like to actually plan ahead and not

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just, you know, randomly show up

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we're talking about a half million dollars of our tax

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money to fix, supposedly, some of the

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chaos created by abolishing timed entry.

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I just don't get it. Thank you for your

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Come on up.

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Thanks for having me. Uh commissioners,

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>> Say your name. Oh, sorry. Uh Luke

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Um commissioners, I know some of us have

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found ourselves on opposite sides of

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public debates before. But I hope you

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can recognize that I've tried to be

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consistent about one thing. Process

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matters. How something is done is not

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separate from whether the public can

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trust it. It is how public trust is

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built. I'm not here tonight to argue

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that an Archer shuttle is a bad idea.

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The question is whether this specific

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proposal, with this timeline, with this

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level of public information, is ready

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for a $500,000 public funding

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commitment.

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When I was on the City Commission, I

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learned that controversial projects do

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not get better by keeping them away from

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public scrutiny.

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They get better when they are brought

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into the open. Public engagement can be

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repetitive and uncomfortable, but it

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also [clears throat] made the final

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proposal stronger every single time.

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supposed to do. I understand that a lot

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has to happen before a vote. I genuinely

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appreciate the interagency coordination

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that has taken place, but coordination

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among agencies is not the same as public

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process.

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There's a difference between preparing

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an agenda item and moving a major

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project this far ahead before the public

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has had a meaningful chance to

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understand it, question it, or provide

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input.

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The working group was formally created

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about 6 weeks ago. At that point, the

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public was told that this was exploring

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a shuttle. Now, this commission is being

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asked to approve the county's share of a

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$3 million pilot. After state and

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federal funding commitments, public

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announcements, and a September launch,

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Target have already created significant

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momentum. That is the concern. Not that

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partners have been doing work, but that

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public messaging about this project is

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much further ahead than the

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documentation in the agenda packet.

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Messaging makes this sound like a

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project moving from concept to reality.

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But the agenda materials leave major

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pieces for later. That gap matters

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because it asks the public to trust a

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process it has not really been able to

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see. When significant decisions move

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forward with limited public visibility,

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people fill the gaps, sometimes fairly,

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sometimes not. But if the commission is

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frustrated by speculation, it should

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recognize the conditions that allowed it

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to thrive. Transparency is not simply

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taking the final vote in an open

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meeting. Transparency means giving the

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public enough information early enough

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to participate meaningfully.

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If residents, businesses, and affected

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stakeholders only see the details after

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the direction has already been set, then

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public comment becomes more performative

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than substantive. Asking for two due

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diligence is not the same as trying to

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kill the project. Similarly, prior

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general support for shuttles is not the

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same as public input on this specific

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pilot. And just because a concept has

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been discussed for years does not mean a

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new specific operational plan is ready.

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If there's a hard deadline or a real

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risk of losing NPS or U.S. funding, put

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that clearly on the record. But if the

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urgency is mainly a September launch,

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then the commission should slow down

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long enough for the public to understand

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what's being approved. This project may

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be worthwhile, but worthwhile projects

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still need public trust. And public

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trust is built before the vote, not at

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the time of the vote. So, I'm not asking

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you to say no to a shuttle. I'm asking

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you say not yet. Pause. Put the details

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in front of the public, allow input, and

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decide whether this pilot is ready for a

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$500,000 commitment. A stronger public

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process will not weaken a good project.

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It will make it more likely to succeed.

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Thank you.

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Okay, we're going to go. We have a

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couple online. We're going to go to

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those and then we'll come back into

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chambers. So, we'll go to um

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Tory Hill. Okay, Tory.

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Hi, thank you.

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Um I just barely heard about this. I

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keep

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pretty close eye on what's happening in

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our county. I've been on the

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uh town council here in Castle Valley

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for 18 years now.

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Um

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there is no

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uh I don't know. I don't think that you

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can fairly bring something

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to the agenda that's going to spend

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$500,000.

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Um let's break this down um

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because I am the treasurer out here.

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Uh if you look at the breakdown from what is the Forest

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Service to say the population of the US,

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$0.01 per person in the United States

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for this pilot program.

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The state of Utah, their portion would

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be $0.28 for every person in the state

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of Utah. Grand County, it would be $50

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per person.

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And I know this isn't coming out of our

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taxes, but the TRT is our taxes. The TRT

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goes to community

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and it should go to helping the

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community mitigate the trouble with

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tourism, not to encourage more tourism.

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It should be a mitigating tax.

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Um I'm not willing to give up 50 bucks

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that could go to the EMS. It could go to

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the law enforcement. It There are things

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that need to be fixed. Look go look at

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Old City Park. That's in Grand County.

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There's There's things that are way

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higher priority than trying to shuttle I

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don't know. What is the percentage of

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people that would willingly take a

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shuttle into Arches? The uninformed

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would take the shuttle. The informed

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would want to take their car because

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they would want to take a gallon of

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water per person

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in their trip, they would want to take

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food, probably a cooler, they would want

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to make sure that they have a first aid

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kit. I mean, I'm thinking about if I was

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to take a bus into Arches to enjoy my

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day,

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I couldn't carry everything that would

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be required for me to be safe. What

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you're going to do is you're going to

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get uninformed people taking too few

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little water, not having anywhere to be,

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being dropped off on trailheads,

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and then what? There's no cell service

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out there.

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I don't think you're really thinking

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this through. I have you know, what what

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does Grand County get after doing this?

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I can see where the state of Utah and

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the Forest Service would be you had

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Grand County give us $500,000

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for this pilot program. You know, I did

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not go into Arches for over 15 years,

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and I wrote to this commission at the

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very beginning when this first came up

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about the the timed entry.

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I did not go into Arches for 15 years

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because it was such a

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cluster.

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And after the timed entry, I actually in

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a year and a half went to Arches three

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times with my family, took other people.

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It worked.

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The timed entry system worked. It might

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not have worked

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completely, but it did work, and it cost

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pennies compared to what you're

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proposing now.

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Um I [clears throat] don't know. I'd like

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to say, "Brian, what are you getting out

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of this? And what is your

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motivation to mess with Arches?" Um I I just don't get it. I really

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Who Who are you to tell the National

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Park how to run itself or to even

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inflict your opinion on it in the world.

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>> want to take up all your time. Thank

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you.

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Okay. Emily, would you like to go?

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Yes, thank you. Um my comment

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Oh, sorry. I hope you can hear me. Um

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I'm Emily Campbell from Graham County.

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Um fund 23 and fund 26 in the budget are

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fully allocated. And um for us to pull

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any money against TRT revenue,

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mitigation, or promotional into this

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pilot will require us substituting out

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other things in our budget.

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And I think that that's a very dangerous

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precedent for us to set given the

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current state of things. I imagine that

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many of our budgets are going to be

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overdrawn this year just due to the cost

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of fuel. And I haven't seen that

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accounted for in this conversation, and

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that speaks to the lack of transparency

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and the lack of time to give

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well-reasoned citizen input about

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something that could very well have an

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impact on all of our bottom lines. I

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mean, the sheriff's office alone, I'm

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sure, is going to be looking at a much

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higher cost for fuel and and vehicle

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ownership costs, you know, as a result

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of the current state of things. And we

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don't see any reason for that high cost

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of fuel to abate anytime soon. I think

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that needs to be addressed very directly

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this evening if you do vote in favor of

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this. Um you know, I understand

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sometimes you have a windfall, and

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that's great. And if we do end up with a

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windfall this year, lucky us. And I

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think we should be very grateful for

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that. Um you know, there's a lot of

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stuff I want to do around my house and

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my property. Some might make my house

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more comfortable, more efficient. And we

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even have the money for some of those

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projects, but that doesn't mean we're

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going and spending that money

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immediately because we know that it's an

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uncertain time. We don't know what's

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going to happen to, you know, visitor

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spending as we see, you know, this AI

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bubble maybe on the verge of collapsing.

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Certainly, the cost of fuel will put

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pressure on things. It's wise to save

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when we can and to make well-reasoned

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decisions, and I think the lack of trans

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transparency and time here really does

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suggest that this is not well-reasoned

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or um I think it it potentially creates

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quite a bit of risk for us as taxpayers.

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Um and I'm I'm really disappointed that

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there wasn't more opportunity given for

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us to be informed about this decision

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that ultimately will come down to our

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tax dollars if it uh doesn't pan out.

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So, uh please be reasonable this

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evening, and um taking a little extra

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time and and doing this right doesn't

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mean a shuttle is a good or a bad idea.

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It may very well be a very good idea,

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but we should be smart about how we

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approach it. Thank you all.

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Thank you.

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Okay, back into the commission chambers.

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Who would like to speak?

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I'm Allison.

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I'm going to ask Bernie to hold up some

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of my charts, if that's okay.

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I'm Allison Stephen Van White. I also

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have hard copies of some of the

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materials I've sent to y'all. I'm going

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to hold this up.

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Um

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anytime an elected official Oh, I'm

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Allison Mathers. I'm a resident of Moab,

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Utah, and I actually lived in a national

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park with the shuttle system for 13

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years. So, I understand the pros and the

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cons, and I'm not saying I'm against the

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shuttle a shuttle system in the ideal

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for Arches National Park. What I am

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saying is that this

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there the math does not work for this

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shuttle proposal in any sort of way. And

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it's not about hard work, and I use that

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phrase because Brian Martinez had a

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piece in the Moab Times-Independent

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says, "Oh, we're doing the hard work."

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It is not about hard work. It is about

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good judgment.

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Anytime an elected official makes a

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decision, they have to

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operate in their fiduciary

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responsibility to their citizenry.

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Secondly, they need to weigh the

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decision based on facts, and they also

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need to weigh the decision based on

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something relative. In this case, timed

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entry is what the shuttle system

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is supposed to be

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replacing, so that's a very useful point

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of comparison. And Brian Martinez

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himself in his op-ed put four criteria

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on which to judge the shuttle system.

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One,

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affordability. Number two, whether or

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not it relieves congestion. Number

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three, whether it improves visitor

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00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,360
experience. And number four, whether it

552
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,320
improves the quality of life for locals.

553
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,960
Number one, I'm going to start with

554
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,120
relieving congestion. Well, we know that

555
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,400
the timed entry program did that. It was

556
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,520
specifically what it was designed to do

557
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,240
by spreading out visitation through a

558
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,000
larger part of the day. Will timed entry

559
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,120
relieve congestion? Maybe is the best

560
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,920
you can do it. At most, with two buses

561
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,320
an hour at full capacity entering the

562
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,000
park, and these are numbers I got from

563
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,840
the the summary, which was very skimpy,

564
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,800
you can transport a maximum of 390

565
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,080
people per day into the park.

566
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,040
Out of what? 50

567
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,680
3,000 uh

568
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840
On average, 55,379

569
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,960
people per day in the months in question

570
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,800
using 2025

571
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,840
visitation stats. So, is it is it enough

572
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,280
vehicles

573
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,160
being taken off the road to reduce

574
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,480
congestion? Probably not. Also taking

575
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,040
into account one of the major

576
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,760
contributions

577
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,800
for congestion is the number of vehicles

578
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,880
on the road at any given time. There is

579
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,560
nothing in the shuttle system to

580
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,560
disperse di-

581
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,400
get people out on a wider slot of the

582
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,120
day. Whether it improve visitor

583
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,600
experience? Well, we know from survey

584
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,040
data that the timed entry program did.

585
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,960
Will the shuttle bus system do it? Maybe

586
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,200
not. Survey data said that relieving

587
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,480
congestion and reducing crowding improve

588
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,920
visitor experience. The shuttle system

589
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,200
will not reduce uh crowding. Quality of

590
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,840
life for locals, that's completely

591
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,600
subjective. I will answer the question

592
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,360
for me. Shuttle system like a

593
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,000
the timed entry system for me improve my

594
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
quality of life because like Tory Hill,

595
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,800
that meant I could go into the park

596
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,840
during the season and enjoy myself.

597
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Number of visitors served per day,

598
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,560
something else to keep in mind, up to

599
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,440
390 visitors per day.

600
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,880
That's almost nothing. Very many, I

601
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,640
couldn't find the number right off um

602
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,440
there. Uh cost, very expensive, $3

603
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,920
million.

604
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,760
Uh uh

605
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,040
The cost of timed entry is likely

606
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,400
uh

607
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,280
The shuttle is 17 times times 30 to 79

608
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,200
times of what the timed entry uh

609
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,200
administration. And per Grand County

610
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,440
resident, I used 2025 July 1 ACS census

611
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,480
data and I got calculated it out that

612
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,360
$51.70

613
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,760
7 cents per resident for the shuttle

614
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,920
system. How much did timed entry cost

615
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,480
per resident? Zero.

616
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,750
Thank you.

617
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Okay, do we have more in the audience

618
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,230
that would like to speak?

619
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,390
I don't know.

620
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,920
Hi.

621
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,360
I'm Emily Niehaus, I'm a Grand County

622
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,680
resident. Um and the former mayor of

623
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,760
Moab.

624
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520
And I want to thank you for your

625
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,080
service.

626
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,280
Um I'm going to look at my notes.

627
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,880
I'm not asking you to vote

628
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200
no.

629
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400
I'm asking you to table this item

630
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000
tonight because there's a lot of

631
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,680
discussion to still be had about this

632
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,080
spending of $500,000.

633
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,590
Um

634
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,400
I

635
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,640
have always been a fan of the timed

636
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,320
entry system.

637
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,840
And when I was looking at the items for

638
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160
this agenda topic, that 2012 study

639
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,480
reminded me why. So, if you look in the

640
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,840
actual

641
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,360
2012,

642
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,280
you know, agenda item,

643
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,960
it lists, you know, consideration for

644
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,280
shuttle

645
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,920
and then consideration for timed entry

646
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,320
system. Shuttle's expensive. Timed entry

647
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,720
was like in 2015 going to cost $4,000.

648
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,440
And so, I think the reason I've always

649
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,240
been in favor of timed entry, as all of

650
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,800
you know, cuz I've called you about it,

651
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,400
is that it's the um

652
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200
less expensive solution for congestion

653
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,840
mitigation.

654
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,880
It feels like there's been this

655
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,520
false narrative that if you couldn't get

656
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,680
a timed entry, you couldn't enter the

657
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,200
park.

658
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
And I think that was not fair to

659
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,280
visitors

660
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720
for us to be saying that because

661
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,120
you just with this with the timed entry

662
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,360
system that we had, you didn't have your

663
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,240
preferred time entry. You could go

664
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520
before 7:00 a.m.

665
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,960
You could go before or before or you

666
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,000
could go after 4:00 p.m.

667
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,040
And the Park Service really did do a

668
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,680
good job in listening to our concerns

669
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800
and scaling back that timed entry

670
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320
system, so it wasn't all the time,

671
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,520
as we know.

672
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,680
Now, I know this item isn't about timed

673
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,800
entry, but I know that it is about

674
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,440
spending half a million dollars

675
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,880
um on a shuttle system that I don't

676
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,640
think really, as all the information's

677
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,160
coming out, really mitigates the

678
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,160
congestion that I think we're hoping

679
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,480
that it does.

680
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Finally, you're about to approve half a [snorts] dollars that's going to

681
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,400
compete with private sector, and that's

682
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480
not right. So, it's not just spending

683
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640
half a million dollars of TRT money.

684
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680
It's competing with private sector.

685
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,040
The the businesses that have seaways,

686
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,880
that have coaches,

687
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800
are going to be negatively impacted by

688
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040
government, and I know that's not what

689
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
any of us want to do.

690
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
So, we got to think about it.

691
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,720
We could still potentially spend this

692
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,120
money. We could still potentially have a

693
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,960
really creative,

694
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,320
locally built shuttle service,

695
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960
where we're buying coaches one time,

696
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,960
like the Star Grant, but different.

697
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,520
Where we're buying coaches for local

698
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,200
businesses.

699
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,680
I really think that that's the way to

700
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,760
spend the money, local asset building.

701
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Thank you.

702
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Okay, and I think I saw a hand over

703
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,200
here.

704
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040
She was in front of you, Michael. Well,

705
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,560
I don't know. Okay.

706
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,924
Sorry.

707
00:27:50,924 --> 00:27:50,960
>> [laughter]

708
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,630
>> That is fine. Oh.

709
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,120
Hello. I'm Michael Peck from Castle

710
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,240
Valley.

711
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,360
And I think one of the things that I

712
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,960
noticed as not being addressed because

713
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
most people never do it, and that's have

714
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,840
you ever driven a shuttle? I have.

715
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,040
And

716
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,600
not everybody needs to go to the

717
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,880
bathroom at the same time.

718
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,280
And then in the park, there's very, very

719
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,640
few bathrooms. And if you have a whole

720
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,400
bunch of kids and a whole bunch of

721
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,480
people on a bus,

722
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,680
and you want to drop them off at a

723
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,920
trailhead where there's no bathroom,

724
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920
with no alternatives to get in a car and

725
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,320
go somewhere, you need to think about

726
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760
this. You're spending $500,000

727
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,320
to put people in a confinement and

728
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,080
shuttle them up this thing and drop them

729
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,720
off at a trailhead. They may not have

730
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,320
enough water for the walk up.

731
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
It's a It's a really dumb idea. And you

732
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,840
want to consider it a little deeper.

733
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,750
Thank you.

734
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Okay, and then Michael list seems to

735
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,470
come.

736
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Hi, my name is Michael list. I'm a local

737
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
citizen and I've actually been involved

738
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,640
um

739
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,160
coming up with um

740
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,680
advocating for solutions to Arches

741
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,960
for like 11 years. But I want to talk

742
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,240
about something else today because

743
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,360
there's a lot of talk about how we

744
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,480
haven't thought about this. I was the

745
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560
chair of the Moab Transit Authority ad

746
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,680
hoc study committee formed by this

747
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
council. And we studied all of these

748
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,240
things. We did extensive studies on the

749
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,600
Arches shuttle. We did extensive studies

750
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
on the shuttle in town. We did studies

751
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560
on bike usage in town and how to make it

752
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,520
more effective in town and to Arches.

753
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,240
And um

754
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,760
I just like to go through that because

755
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680
the math that we have right now that

756
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,560
wouldn't exist without it. We did all

757
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,440
the work and then when our work was

758
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880
done, I have to hand it to Karen Guzman

759
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,960
because she got it over the finish line.

760
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
So I don't think she gets enough credit

761
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
for that math system because she did an

762
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,640
amazing job with that once our committee

763
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,160
stopped working.

764
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,480
And then we had um bike paths and we

765
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,400
wanted to get the bikes into Arches

766
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,560
and the safest way is to go to Willow

767
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Springs and go in because it's not safe

768
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,720
to go up that main road. And after the

769
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
committee finished I personally went to

770
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,960
Salt Lake to legislature and I

771
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,640
campaigned on it I guess lobbied and I

772
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,280
got us the money for that. So that was

773
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440
amazing. So then with this shuttle first

774
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,800
the Park Service in 2012 did an

775
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880
extensive study all the way down to the

776
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,720
street furniture and how it would work.

777
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Our committee did an extensive study

778
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000
which we gave you and you have and Mary

779
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
McGann thank you because she was our

780
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,400
um council liaison. So I think it's

781
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,040
important for the audience to understand

782
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,360
that even though it didn't happen

783
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,160
yesterday or a week ago, this has been

784
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,760
on the table for years, decades, and

785
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,200
it's been studied extensively.

786
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,360
And I actually have to hand it to you

787
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,200
because

788
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,200
action never happens in government, it's

789
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,680
very rare. I mean, we know that timed

790
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
entry was just a way to stop tourism and

791
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
it was very effective. Well, now you're

792
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000
trying to take action to try and come up

793
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,120
with with a real solution and I just

794
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,120
want to thank you guys and thank the

795
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Park Service for putting money in and

796
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,240
UDOT. And it's important to remind

797
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160
everyone that this council, in the form

798
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,080
of the Moab Transit Authority Study

799
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Committee, actually in the past has

800
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,840
researched this extensively. So, thanks

801
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,960
for your work, Jeff.

802
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,320
Thank you.

803
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,470
All right.

804
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Hi, my name is Bruny Mason. I'm a

805
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,240
citizen and I'm a voter of this county.

806
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,240
And my quality of life is being

807
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
diminished

808
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,600
by the minute here.

809
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,600
I've been coming to these meetings now

810
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,840
for a few weeks and the circus that's

811
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,400
happening here

812
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,070
is outraging me.

813
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360
I'm not a numbers person,

814
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920
but I don't want to listen to people say

815
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,160
timed entry diminished tourism. That is

816
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,720
just a incentives. It's not

817
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
true. If you've used it, you know it's

818
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,440
not true.

819
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,400
I'm getting angrier and angrier about

820
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,720
this whole process. And then, I feel

821
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,320
grubby little hands in my pockets

822
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,000
looking for $500,000.

823
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Here's my wallet. I don't have $5 in

824
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160
there. I don't want you guys to take

825
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,040
more of my money. And I don't want you

826
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640
guys to run the Park Service. It's being

827
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,320
run already with my tax money.

828
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,000
It's none of your business. I didn't

829
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,720
vote you in

830
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
to run the park.

831
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,040
I voted you in to take care of me and

832
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,600
other citizens in this city and county.

833
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Leave the park service to the park

834
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,160
people.

835
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,120
If you need a job, go apply for that. But they're not

836
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,920
hiring right now.

837
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Then go get another job.

838
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,400
But this is not working. This is really

839
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,160
not working. Do you have any seconds

840
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,720
left? I don't care.

841
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,120
So, I mean, I'm just a general person.

842
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
There are people out there like me.

843
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800
And most of them will not come here

844
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,920
because they think you are some

845
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,080
important people. You are our people. I

846
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,360
we voted you in here to do what we want,

847
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,440
not what you want.

848
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
When our biggest hotel in town is at

849
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,920
capacity, 95% almost every night, what

850
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,200
problems do we have with our tourists?

851
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,840
They're not being diminished. They're

852
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,720
not

853
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,120
being sent away. They're here. And

854
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,040
they're spending a lot of money already.

855
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,480
We don't need to throw another $3

856
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440
million at them to bring more people

857
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,160
here and more money. We have enough

858
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600
tourists. We need to also take care You

859
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,880
guys have to take care of our citizens

860
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,680
here.

861
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,160
And leave the tourists to themselves.

862
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,960
They're coming.

863
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,240
And we don't know how much longer with

864
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:11,440
the other government that's going on,

865
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,280
but they're here now.

866
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,000
And they were happy. And now they're a

867
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,800
little less happy, just like the

868
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,159
citizens that live in this town. Thank

869
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,950
you.

870
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,909
Come on up.

871
00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:30,879
Hi, my name is Sandy Carey. I am a

872
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:34,480
resident of Graham County. Um two two

873
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,960
things that I just wanted to point out.

874
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,200
I was not aware that this was on the

875
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,840
agenda and boy, you guys are getting

876
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,760
beat up. But anyway, uh

877
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,879
the thing is is there's what

878
00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:48,240
9 10 9 uh 10,000 people in Grand County

879
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,800
and about 5 a little under in in Moab.

880
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Um

881
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,679
basically, there's 100 kids that

882
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,960
graduate every year from high school.

883
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,200
There's 12 grades. It's 1,200 people not

884
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,600
putting money [clears throat] in towards

885
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,880
this project. At least. So, the

886
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,800
responsibility is going on the parents

887
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,760
or single people. So, that's one thing

888
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,400
that I just wanted you to be aware of.

889
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,120
And the second thing is um

890
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Arches is making their problem our

891
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,880
problem.

892
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,360
And uh

893
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040
you know, they could have more parking

894
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,880
lots and they could have more, you know,

895
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,680
they don't want to disturb the soil.

896
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Well,

897
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
if you're attracting worldwide visitors,

898
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,480
then you need to create facilities for

899
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,160
it. And they're not putting a dime.

900
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,280
They're making their problem our

901
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,880
problem. Not putting a dime in towards

902
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,880
expanding the parking. I mean, they've

903
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,760
done it here and there, but it's the new

904
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120
thing and so they need to really

905
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,760
um pay a little bit more attention and

906
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,040
allocate a little bit more money. As I

907
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,280
remember from people that I have been

908
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440
friends with with the Park Service, they

909
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
always have to do a 5-year study just to

910
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,240
make sure that the Park Service is

911
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,040
spending money in the correct places and

912
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680
that they don't fall into

913
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,520
um

914
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
liability and and whatever. So,

915
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,000
that's maybe

916
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
you know, their the reason that they're

917
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,040
looking for us for help. I don't really

918
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,960
know. Anyway,

919
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,760
I wasn't expecting this to

920
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,800
explode like this, but nice to have

921
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440
people's opinion.

922
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,560
Thank you.

923
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:29,230
Oh, come on, Tim.

924
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,040
Well, my name is Jim Webster and uh

925
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,120
like Diane, I

926
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,520
spent half of my career and uh many, many years living in Arches

927
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,920
National Park.

928
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,960
In the '90s all the way through the '90s

929
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,520
and the first half of the 2000s.

930
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,400
Um

931
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,920
and

932
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,280
since I retired quite a few years ago, I

933
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,280
have

934
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,360
just been watching as an observer and

935
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,240
bystander what's going on at Arches.

936
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,360
Very much a supporter of the uh timed

937
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,400
entry. I saw it work well. I don't think

938
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,160
it had anything to do with

939
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,400
uh

940
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,920
you know,

941
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,240
hurting the community or hurting the

942
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,280
visitor. I think it was a really a

943
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480
plus. But, I didn't come here tonight to

944
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,200
speak at all.

945
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,040
But, I

946
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,920
think my advice to the commission is to

947
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,200
slow

948
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,560
down.

949
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Uh people are scrambling to understand

950
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,680
what this project is all about because

951
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,880
there has been

952
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,120
>> [gasps]

953
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,360
>> uh some of you've been involved in it,

954
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,280
some for quite a while, but uh the

955
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,560
community hasn't been following this at

956
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,800
all. I just spent part of the day today

957
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,320
looking at the 2014 feasibility study.

958
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,280
That seems to have a lot of

959
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
and that was a thoughtful process

960
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:56,760
uh

961
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,360
that involved a lot of people and

962
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,840
professionals, professional

963
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,200
transportation people and park service

964
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,480
people. So, they um

965
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,920
it seems like some of the ideas that

966
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,840
have come for your for your this thing

967
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,840
you've put together, Brian,

968
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440
came from that study. Is that correct?

969
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,680
Yeah. Okay.

970
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,240
That

971
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:18,840
uh

972
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,240
was well done. But, what I am seeing

973
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,520
here is a considerable lack of

974
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
transparency in terms of moving this

975
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,840
forward

976
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,560
with the community particularly. I am

977
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,440
baffled by the procurement process that

978
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280
the Park Service

979
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,480
has

980
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,120
all of a sudden come up with a million

981
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,030
and a half dollars for this project.

982
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,360
I

983
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,966
am

984
00:38:43,966 --> 00:38:44,000
>> [clears throat]

985
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,920
>> baffled about how the county can

986
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,790
proceed with this unplanned budget item.

987
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,520
And

988
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,640
the So, the procurement process

989
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,960
seems like it's broken in this case.

990
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,800
The last thing that I have really noted

991
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,440
is that I have not heard or seen

992
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,470
the National Park Service representation

993
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,360
here in any of these commission

994
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,880
meetings, but I haven't been to a lot of

995
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,920
them.

996
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,320
And I haven't heard or seen public or

997
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,480
press releases from the superintendent,

998
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,800
for example, or the regional director.

999
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,840
Any support from that. I read that we're

1000
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,520
working with

1001
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,680
the Park Service, and I see the

1002
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,400
superintendent's name dropped

1003
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,280
frequently. But I haven't seen that,

1004
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,600
and I haven't talked to her about this

1005
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,080
at all. So, I have no idea.

1006
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440
So, I think my advice again

1007
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,280
is to slow this thing down.

1008
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Engage the community

1009
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,400
more, and uh be more transparent. Thank

1010
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,120
you.

1011
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:05,790
Okay, anybody else?

1012
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,320
I am Mary O'Brien with uh Grand County

1013
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,520
citizen. Uh I have sent

1014
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,280
some detailed comments about the

1015
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,240
financial lack of transparency, and I

1016
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,320
did mention that for instance the 1.5

1017
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,920
million coming from a Centennial

1018
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,760
challenge.

1019
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,400
I don't know whether it was already in

1020
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,600
the budget this last year but Trump is

1021
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,200
um

1022
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,800
in his the White House budget is zeroing

1023
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,840
out that for 2027. So I don't know.

1024
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Again, there's like been no transparency

1025
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,840
about whether this has already been

1026
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,680
gotten how did it if so how did you get

1027
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,880
it when did it get it how was prior to

1028
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,880
priorities and so on.

1029
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,960
Um so I agree there's not been

1030
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,920
transparency and slow this thing down.

1031
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480
But as I thought about it I thought you

1032
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,880
know

1033
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,840
the arches

1034
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,600
um shuttle planning of 25 2026 is kind

1035
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
of the epitome of what I would call the

1036
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,200
ballroom planning system.

1037
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,400
Someone say a president

1038
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,040
or a tech billionaire

1039
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,560
or a county commissioner

1040
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
has a plan and runs with it.

1041
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,320
This someone designs the whole thing

1042
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120
and presents it with little advanced

1043
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,760
warning.

1044
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Is it needed?

1045
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,280
Well, that's not the point.

1046
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Is it met with objections from many? No

1047
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,240
time to deal with objections or data.

1048
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,280
The plan is just too good as it is.

1049
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,840
it sustainable?

1050
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,800
There's no tomorrow so that's

1051
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,600
irrelevant.

1052
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,800
Is it over the budget? Don't worry we've

1053
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,920
been making cuts elsewhere.

1054
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,240
Like to staff.

1055
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,120
Is it collaborative?

1056
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,360
Not with the public.

1057
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,720
Yeah, let's put this down for a while

1058
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,120
and start being responsible financially

1059
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
and start being transparent and start

1060
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,360
being collaborative with the forest the

1061
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,360
park service. You right now it's a

1062
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:24,270
non-consensual collaboration.

1063
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,120
Okay, anyone else?

1064
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:36,270
Okay, come on up.

1065
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,720
My name is Laura Cameron and I'm a Grand

1066
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,120
County resident. I've been here for a

1067
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,680
very long time, lived here full-time,

1068
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,880
and I do try to keep track of what's

1069
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,480
going on

1070
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,120
with our county and with our

1071
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,760
situations.

1072
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,440
And this whole council ever since it was

1073
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,200
formed and started, it's just seemed

1074
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,040
like suddenly there was this disconnect,

1075
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,760
this lack of transparency,

1076
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,640
and I never felt that way

1077
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,520
for the

1078
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,520
past 20 years.

1079
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,600
But, um,

1080
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,880
and there are so many people here that

1081
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,120
have so much more good professional

1082
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,680
information

1083
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,360
about the situation, and I appreciate

1084
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,440
them standing up here and talking to you

1085
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,619
about it.

1086
00:43:25,619 --> 00:43:26,800
>> [clears throat]

1087
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,040
>> I

1088
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,560
First time I ever went to Zion Park, I

1089
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
was about 6 years old, and that was a

1090
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,760
long time ago. And I've seen the

1091
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
National Parks change a lot. And I

1092
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,160
remember when they started implementing

1093
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,120
the shuttle system for Zion,

1094
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160
and I was trying to

1095
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,720
There is no comparison about what

1096
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:53,280
how that works and Brian Martinez's

1097
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,880
proposal

1098
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,920
about the shuttle system for Arches. It

1099
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,200
just seems so unworkable, so

1100
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,320
unrealistic, so many problems.

1101
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,400
So, it was my understanding there's only

1102
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,180
one shuttle in Zion and it

1103
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:12,920
[clears throat] goes from Springdale

1104
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,080
up up to into the canyon into Zion

1105
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Canyon. That's the only place it goes.

1106
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,920
My understanding is in the rest of the

1107
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,200
park people go separately. So I just

1108
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,200
I was really curious so I called

1109
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,040
today Washington County Treasurer.

1110
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:40,160
And I the person I spoke to I asked them

1111
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,640
if if Washington County TRT

1112
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,320
tax money

1113
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,880
if any of that money went to supporting

1114
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,280
the shuttle

1115
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,840
in the park.

1116
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,680
And she said, "No, absolutely no."

1117
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,440
So why should we

1118
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120
have this kind of a tax burden on our

1119
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,040
citizens?

1120
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,080
I just don't think it's appropriate at

1121
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,080
all.

1122
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,520
I really don't. So

1123
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,670
please reconsider.

1124
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Thank you.

1125
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,360
Okay, do we have anyone else in the

1126
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,600
audience that would like to speak?

1127
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,480
No. Okay. Okay.

1128
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,476
Come on.

1129
00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:26,040
» [clears throat]

1130
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,280
>> My name's Jerry Chew. I'm from town.

1131
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,000
And I realize sitting here maybe only

1132
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,200
here that uh

1133
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,880
I just have one simple hope

1134
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
coming into this.

1135
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,760
That in the face of all this

1136
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,640
concern

1137
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,360
uh

1138
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,520
ill conception of the whole thing

1139
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,000
uh

1140
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,440
in the face of all [clears throat] that we don't find another four-person

1141
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
block vote for something that is so

1142
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,120
ill-considered.

1143
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,786
It's becoming so predictable and

1144
00:46:04,786 --> 00:46:05,560
[clears throat]

1145
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,760
I would think

1146
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,040
with four individuals

1147
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,320
they could sort this out separately and

1148
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,800
not vote as a block, which is starting to look suspicious. It's

1149
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,590
uncomfortable.

1150
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Okay. Anybody else? I have one more on

1151
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,200
the phone. One more online. Do you have

1152
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
someone online that would like to speak?

1153
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,600
If you are, then take your

1154
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,840
um

1155
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,960
mute off and go ahead and start

1156
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,270
speaking.

1157
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,480
What's your name?

1158
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,847
I don't see him in there yet.

1159
00:46:38,847 --> 00:46:41,510
>> [clears throat]

1160
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,600
» Okay.

1161
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,280
Um

1162
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,397
Okay. Come on up.

1163
00:46:45,397 --> 00:46:50,670
>> [clears throat]

1164
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,840
» Hi. I'm Avery Holdenbrand, um resident,

1165
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,360
Spanish Valley.

1166
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,000
Um yeah, I'm against approving $500,000

1167
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,720
tonight. I suggest you guys table that,

1168
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,600
get some more input from people,

1169
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,680
understand the effect a little bit

1170
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,680
better.

1171
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,920
Um

1172
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,080
that's a lot of money and we could

1173
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,840
repair some roads with that instead. So,

1174
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,070
might be a better use of it.

1175
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Okay. And let it Does Lynn get on the

1176
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:27,070
line? Lynn, do you have comment?

1177
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,350
Lynn? He's coming.

1178
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,280
Anybody else in the audience while we're

1179
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000
waiting on our last online speaker? You

1180
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
guys all good? Okay.

1181
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,372
See if he shows up.

1182
00:47:42,382 --> 00:47:45,390
» [clears throat]

1183
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
» No? But is he on there? Who's that?

1184
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,310
Yeah. Oh.

1185
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Lynn, can you hear us? Are you here for

1186
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,510
public comment?

1187
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Lynn, can you hear us? We're at the end

1188
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,760
of the session so we heard so we're just

1189
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,870
trying to wrap up.

1190
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:06,720
Okay, well then we're going to have

1191
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,400
another one at 6:00. So we're going to

1192
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,080
just go to 6:00.

1193
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,920
And I think we have our elected so we're

1194
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200
going to move along to our elected

1195
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,960
officials report as needed and I think

1196
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,720
we have Jameson online and so he would

1197
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:19,560
like to speak.

1198
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,910
Jameson, if you're there.

1199
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Yeah, I feel just be able to let me

1200
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,000
share my screen with you.

1201
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,543
Done.

1202
00:48:29,543 --> 00:48:47,310
>> [clears throat]

1203
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,560
» Did you guys see that?

1204
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Yeah. Yes, sir.

1205
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560
So I'll be real quick. This is a first

1206
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,120
donation that we had. This was from

1207
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Intrepid Potash. They donated $6,000 to

1208
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,120
our search and rescue team.

1209
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,960
And then this photo is from over the

1210
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,480
weekend.

1211
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,480
This is from the C10 car show. Uh just

1212
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,600
real quick, in April of 2005

1213
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,320
Chase was rescued by our search and

1214
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,520
rescue team. He was camping where he

1215
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,440
fell 60 ft down a cliff. Um

1216
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,200
SAR performed a rescue to get to him

1217
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,680
and provided medical attention.

1218
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,440
Fast forward to today, Chase is giving

1219
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,200
back in an incredible way through the

1220
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,080
C10 Red Rock Retreat car show. Chase,

1221
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,160
the event vendors, and another generous

1222
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
donor who was rescued about 2 years ago

1223
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,720
raised an amazing total of $71,564

1224
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,160
to our search and rescue team. Last

1225
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,520
year's uh donation, they donated

1226
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,120
$15,002.

1227
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,840
Um and so we we can't thank Chase

1228
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,880
enough. Donations like this help offset

1229
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,440
our general budget. We send staff to

1230
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
specialized training. We we special we

1231
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,200
make

1232
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,240
purchases for specialized equipment with

1233
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,800
this kind of money.

1234
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,440
And so

1235
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,080
we are really grateful that they

1236
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,840
continue to keep coming and supporting

1237
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,200
our economy. They stay in our hotels.

1238
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,360
They buy food in our community.

1239
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,040
Um and so I just wanted to do a quick

1240
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,960
report on that. He's an amazing person

1241
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,280
and it's his way of giving back.

1242
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:28,910
That's all I've got.

1243
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,800
Thanks to those awesome donors, too.

1244
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Appreciate it. And I appreciate all the

1245
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,800
time they spent there. It was great

1246
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,720
event last weekend. Steve has his hand

1247
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:39,280
up.

1248
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,230
Stephen Stocks, he's also elected

1249
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:47,520
Can you hear me okay?

1250
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,160
Yes.

1251
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Um just want to give a brief brief

1252
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,880
update. I'm at the the convention for

1253
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,400
crimes against women.

1254
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,320
Um this is the ICCR convention I've been

1255
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,720
speaking about a few different times in

1256
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,800
the past. Um this is brought to us um

1257
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,360
by Detective Robert Sterry with the Mont

1258
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,760
Police Department. Um they flew four of

1259
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,640
us out here to be able to get training.

1260
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,880
Um it's an awesome convention. We talk a

1261
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,440
lot about some of the different types of

1262
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,120
abuse that's happening

1263
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,120
throughout the US and domestic violence

1264
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,880
especially. Just going to give some

1265
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,480
information because we've got a larger

1266
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,960
audience. I like to give information out

1267
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,080
that can impact and help others.

1268
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Uh today is the first day that take it

1269
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,240
down

1270
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,080
um legislation that was passed unanimous

1271
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640
bipartisan effort. Um a lot of people

1272
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,880
refer to it as revenge porn.

1273
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Um

1274
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,600
but it's images that are shared and

1275
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,200
distributed without the consent of the

1276
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560
individual that's being recorded. And

1277
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,440
that legislation went into effect. It

1278
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,040
was signed last year and went into

1279
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,280
effect today. Utah also signed a measure

1280
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,440
as well that requires individuals

1281
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,880
and third-party websites to be required

1282
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,160
to remove down that content.

1283
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,240
Additionally, there's some emerging

1284
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,880
trends with AI and use of AI and

1285
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,560
creation of that those images as well,

1286
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,120
which is terrifying.

1287
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Additionally, we're looking at patterns

1288
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,520
of domestic violence and how to support

1289
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,760
individuals

1290
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,840
especially on strangulation individuals

1291
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,200
that are strangled by their intimate

1292
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,400
partner abuser are 700 times more likely

1293
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,480
to die. And so this conference gives us

1294
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,560
additional resources, tools, information

1295
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,360
to be able to support people in the

1296
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,960
community

1297
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,800
that face domestic violence issues and

1298
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,640
to have more resources here. So it's

1299
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,920
wonderful conference. I'll give a fuller

1300
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,040
presentation when I get back and just

1301
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,800
want to give you guys that tidbit to

1302
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,430
start.

1303
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,120
Thanks, Stephen.

1304
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,280
Okay.

1305
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,840
So now we will move into our general

1306
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,200
business action items discussion and

1307
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,680
consideration of approvals. So number

1308
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,200
one is a commission member disclosures

1309
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,480
and future considerations.

1310
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,800
As for usual, my wife works for the

1311
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,840
sheriff's department. Okay.

1312
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,000
And Go ahead. You need a microphone.

1313
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,640
It's mine.

1314
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,920
Number two,

1315
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,600
uh future consideration.

1316
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,280
Uh

1317
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,280
we're going to

1318
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,000
go into we spoke this morning

1319
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,360
me and Chair McCanliss.

1320
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,840
Mark Steiner, we're going to go into

1321
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,640
uh looking at

1322
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:20,960
some

1323
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,400
hourly needs, some time needs, some

1324
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,200
staffing needs out of our O'Leary Arena.

1325
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
Uh it is a subject that has

1326
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,480
come up as of late, but

1327
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,240
it is being looked at

1328
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,040
by all staff levels to commission etc.

1329
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,440
but we are taking care of the problem. We want a facility

1330
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,200
uh that is usable by all

1331
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,680
as often as possible of our constituents

1332
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,360
who actually paid for this facility. So,

1333
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,840
we will be I would like in future

1334
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,720
considerations us

1335
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,440
devoting admin or staff time

1336
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,040
to OSTA

1337
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,360
to figure out a little more in depth of

1338
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,640
that staffing needs, some time needs,

1339
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,120
etc. Scheduling needs.

1340
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,320
But, I'd like that sooner than later to

1341
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,720
help [clears throat] with current

1342
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,440
We stacked them with current minutes, so

1343
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,280
they need to help now. We need to take a

1344
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,040
look at that as a commission.

1345
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,400
Okay. Any other

1346
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,350
disclosures of future considerations?

1347
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,720
No? Okay.

1348
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,840
We will move on to our approval of the

1349
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,680
consent agenda items. Commissioner

1350
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,720
Watko?

1351
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,600
Yes, I would like to remove item F,

1352
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,360
G, and H.

1353
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,800
F and G are still with Luso, and not

1354
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,160
ready for

1355
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,640
be approved, and H I believe that we

1356
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,280
need to do a vote on separately, and

1357
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,920
then

1358
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
it could be ratified at a future

1359
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,710
meeting.

1360
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,280
Okay. So, we'll add H

1361
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,760
on to just how about the end of our

1362
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,440
agenda this evening for November 13th.

1363
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,720
So,

1364
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,040
okay.

1365
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,680
And those are part of the county

1366
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,830
attorney's reports.

1367
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Oh, we'll make an approval of H. We'll

1368
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,560
talk about H at the end of the meeting.

1369
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,600
So, with that, I will do the approval of

1370
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,800
the meeting minutes from May 5th, 2026,

1371
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040
ratification of the payment of bills.

1372
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,910
Total bills is $955,255.51.

1373
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,470
Total payroll $166,980.03.

1374
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,600
Total bills and payrolls are $1,122.

1375
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,760
200

1376
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,350
Sorry, 1 million 122,238,054

1377
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,600
cents.

1378
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,600
Ratification of the contract with Pivot

1379
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,800
Cycles to loan e-bikes to G cap for

1380
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,960
trail maintenance.

1381
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,360
Ratification of indigent defense council

1382
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,520
grant application.

1383
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,520
Approval of contingency expense for GC

1384
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,000
star.

1385
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,160
And we do move that and change

1386
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,600
the agenda.

1387
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,680
And I is the law of office of tourism

1388
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,600
participation in Utah office of tourism

1389
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,760
fiscal year 2027 international opt-in

1390
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,230
marketing program.

1391
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,120
Mike.

1392
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,800
So moved.

1393
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,320
Thank you.

1394
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,430
All in favor?

1395
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,760
Mary.

1396
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,480
I, yes.

1397
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,400
Okay.

1398
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,240
I pass with 7-0.

1399
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,640
And now we move on to number three is

1400
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,560
the local match for ordinary desert

1401
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,680
transportation initiative and this is

1402
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,830
Commissioner Martinez.

1403
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,004
Thank you.

1404
00:56:48,004 --> 00:56:48,480
>> [clears throat]

1405
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,440
>> Um

1406
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,880
I'll go ahead and get started off on

1407
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
this real quick. Um Grand County, the

1408
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,640
National Park Service and the state of

1409
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,280
Utah have been working together to

1410
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,200
address the long-standing transportation

1411
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,680
challenges at Arches National Park

1412
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,080
and case forward along US 191 through

1413
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,760
corridor through the Moab corridor.

1414
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,120
This item considers the county's

1415
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,480
contribution in a three-partner funding

1416
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,960
plan for a 2026-2027

1417
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,200
shuttle plan.

1418
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,040
With a total budget of up to 3 million

1419
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,160
dollars of which is follows.

1420
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,560
The National Park Service will have 1.5

1421
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,120
million dollars of Centennial funding.

1422
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,200
That Centennial funding is good for

1423
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,920
fiscal year 2026.

1424
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,920
So we do not have it for 2027.

1425
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,720
The state of Utah I went up on Friday,

1426
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,640
um to speak in favor of UDot um awarding

1427
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,840
uh $1 million to this project um under

1428
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,920
the uh hotspot recreation hotspot

1429
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,960
program.

1430
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,200
And in that capital staff, Grand County

1431
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,040
would be responsible for $500,000 of

1432
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,040
that match right there.

1433
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,480
I also have a little bit of a statement

1434
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,840
I'd like to read.

1435
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,680
So,

1436
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,880
this is a big milestone for Grand County

1437
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000
and everyone who cares about our economy

1438
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,200
and Arches National Park.

1439
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,880
A core component of the access and

1440
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,360
capacity enhancement alternative was the

1441
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,480
show by investing in infrastructure we

1442
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,880
can expand capacity, protect public

1443
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,160
lands, and keep the gate open.

1444
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,240
Arches does not have a people problem,

1445
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,280
it has a vehicle problem.

1446
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,800
According to National Park surveys,

1447
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,200
nothing would improve the visitor

1448
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,160
experience more than a voluntary

1449
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,200
shuttle.

1450
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,120
Shuttles have worked for decades at many

1451
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,480
National Parks.

1452
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,080
We have seen the results when we

1453
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,080
restrict access.

1454
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,600
Kem C. Gardner report estimated timed

1455
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:40,040
entry reduced visitors by 170,000.

1456
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,320
Every dollar of economic activity

1457
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,720
protected by this system is a dollar

1458
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080
that funds Grand County families and

1459
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,520
raising without raising property taxes.

1460
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,800
Department of the Interior,

1461
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,680
UDot have stepped up and Grand County

1462
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,680
has a responsibility to meet that

1463
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,040
investment in in the infrastructure of

1464
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,600
our economy.

1465
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,320
The 2024 EIS by the NPS stated,

1466
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,720
"Currently, there are no reasonably

1467
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,640
seeable viable options for partnering

1468
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,200
with partnering with the community.

1469
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,800
However, the NPS remains open to

1470
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,800
proposals operate a shuttle system in

1471
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,240
the park."

1472
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,600
Conclusions from the feasibility study

1473
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,360
in 2012,

1474
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,480
"Overall, the shuttle would have a

1475
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,400
long-term beneficial impact on park

1476
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,760
visitors. Those impacts would not be

1477
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,600
limited to those on shuttle

1478
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,080
but to those who would benefit from

1479
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,240
fewer cars on the road and more

1480
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
available parking spaces.

1481
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,320
Overall, most park resources would

1482
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,080
experience long-term beneficial impacts

1483
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,840
from the reduction in the number of

1484
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,440
private vehicles traveling in Arches.

1485
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:58,000
The shuttle meets climate Arches climate friendly goal to reduce overall

1486
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
emissions from private vehicles within

1487
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,680
the park by diverting visitors to the

1488
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,280
shuttle during the pilot project.

1489
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,920
We are investing in our economic

1490
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640
infrastructure infrastructure and just

1491
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
like advertising, it will pay dividends.

1492
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,080
Over 80% of Grand County's economy

1493
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,400
depends on tourism and nearly 70% of our

1494
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,400
local jobs are tied directly to park

1495
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,160
visitation.

1496
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,960
The National Park cannot solve for both

1497
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,360
economic and congestion challenges on

1498
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,480
their own.

1499
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,560
As a gateway community, we have to pull

1500
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,960
up a seat to the table and actively

1501
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
manage our future.

1502
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,960
It's taken us over a decade to get to

1503
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,360
this point and a shuttle to Arches

1504
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,640
National Park will benefit the people of

1505
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,520
Grand County for decades to come.

1506
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,480
I'm very proud of the collaboration from

1507
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,840
all the agencies that have helped step

1508
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,440
up and I'm proud of everyone who has

1509
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,120
invested time, money

1510
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,920
to make this happen and I'll open it up

1511
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,280
for questions.

1512
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,640
Hey Jack. Uh first off, I I just

1513
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,040
actually want to ask our attorney a

1514
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,760
question. It says legal review is not

1515
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,680
applicable on this, which

1516
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,560
is crazy to me. So, I would ask I'd ask

1517
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Stephen if if that's truly the case.

1518
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,840
So, we're

1519
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,840
my office doesn't take a stance on on

1520
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,680
any of the items. I would like to review

1521
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,720
any contracts, especially contracts of

1522
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,080
this magnitude. To Commissioner

1523
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,840
Martinez's credit, he did give this to

1524
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,000
me roughly 11 days ago. I haven't had

1525
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,520
the opportunity to review this with a

1526
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,080
fine-tooth comb.

1527
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,280
Um it is a larger contract. I think it's

1528
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,880
37 pages. I would need additional time

1529
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,680
and probably some follow-up. Um again,

1530
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,160
Commissioner Martinez did reach out. I

1531
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,400
did not get to connect with him on a

1532
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
call. And so, um my apologies for that.

1533
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,280
I've been out on trainings, but um it

1534
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,640
would need to be reviewed. I would I

1535
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,960
would hope the commission would uh would

1536
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,440
allow me that opportunity to review it

1537
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,520
because it's going to be a substantial

1538
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,470
contract with substantial terms.

1539
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,240
Go ahead, Frank.

1540
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,680
Yeah, Jack, like I explained to you when

1541
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,040
we had that call, right now we're not at

1542
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,520
the point of setting the contract.

1543
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,080
That's why it was irrelevant to what we

1544
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,920
were talking about. What we're looking

1545
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,200
for right now is the ability to go into

1546
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,400
a contract. We were trying to figure out

1547
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,600
two things um at the beginning of our

1548
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,880
working. First is is how we would have

1549
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,080
an arrangement with the National Park to

1550
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,720
provide a service.

1551
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,400
Um that arrangement will be the

1552
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,360
cooperative management.

1553
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,560
Funding source, the Centennial funding

1554
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,400
source, is also going to serve as that

1555
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,400
vehicle. So, the only way that we can go

1556
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,240
ahead and get the scope of work set up

1557
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,920
is if we actually have the matching

1558
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,320
funds to go up to the table.

1559
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,400
That's where UDOT has stepped up and

1560
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,920
Grant County will step up. Once we have

1561
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,880
a cooperative management agreement in

1562
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,880
place, we'll of course bring that back

1563
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,680
to the commission. We'll have time for

1564
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,720
council to review that, and we'll take

1565
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,240
comment on that actual the specifics of

1566
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,200
the agreement at that point. And that'll

1567
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,520
come back to the commission then?

1568
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,870
Correct. Yeah.

1569
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,440
I I would I'll speak to this because

1570
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,480
I've been on that um committee. Not only

1571
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,800
have I been on the subcommittee, but I

1572
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,680
was the one that um

1573
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,800
Superintendent Pace, and she's online, I

1574
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,520
believe, so if we have any questions for

1575
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,720
her, she online? She's going to be.

1576
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,360
Okay, I can't see.

1577
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,080
The little tile up there.

1578
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,240
>> Okay, thank you. Um, so she was

1579
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,400
officially she reached out to us the day

1580
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,960
after the reservation system um was

1581
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,520
taken away by the by the federal

1582
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,960
government and asked you know if we had

1583
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,800
ideas for this shuttle system and how

1584
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,360
that would work and she was quick to be able to go back

1585
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,240
and get a 1.5 million dollars to help

1586
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,600
with this. And so from there that was

1587
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,960
half the money working with the Via. Via

1588
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,960
is not the selected person. They just

1589
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,320
were very helpful in giving numbers and

1590
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,320
information to get to that approximately

1591
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,800
3 million dollar mark. And then when the

1592
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,040
U dot was able to put in that hot spot

1593
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,720
funding um that left a shortfall of

1594
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,800
500,000 dollars and that's where the

1595
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,200
commission comes into play.

1596
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,520
And I think when we look at um

1597
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,480
the Gardner report, the the purpose of

1598
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,320
that report was to look at I mean we

1599
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,200
can't we can't have the actual facts.

1600
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,200
The reservation system existed between

1601
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,160
2020 and 2024 and there's no actual

1602
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,040
facts of

1603
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,520
money being brought in. There is the

1604
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,000
facts that they showed that our economy

1605
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,800
was able to withstand the job of that 41

1606
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,680
to 55 million dollars worth of visitor

1607
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,840
spending that comes in every year of the

1608
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,120
170,000 people that they decide that

1609
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,960
they you know determined was lacking

1610
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,000
from Arches visitation in those years

1611
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000
based upon the

1612
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,880
reservation system.

1613
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,600
So when people say that the time to

1614
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,200
entry was inexpensive

1615
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,120
it really questions you know when you

1616
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,480
lose two to three million dollars in

1617
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,760
local tax revenue

1618
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,680
seemed really expensive to me and

1619
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,480
500,000 dollars doesn't seem like much

1620
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,760
in comparison for a two to three million

1621
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,790
dollar return.

1622
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,320
That's is where I'm at with it. So I

1623
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,160
mean I have been an open process. We've

1624
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,120
had all of the National Park, I think

1625
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,800
um in the press release that Grand

1626
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,200
County put out talks about all the

1627
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,520
people that have been involved in this

1628
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,080
conversation at the federal level as

1629
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,190
well.

1630
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,560
Patrice.

1631
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,000
Um

1632
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,760
I have a lot to say and I I guess I'll

1633
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,680
just start with a couple things. You

1634
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,400
know, one of the things that we've heard

1635
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,880
again and again tonight

1636
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,480
is

1637
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,160
you know, this concern by the general

1638
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,240
public that they feel that it came out

1639
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,400
of nowhere. And I feel the same way.

1640
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Um

1641
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,240
and that's a concern and and I'll tell

1642
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,640
you one this this is a huge

1643
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,520
generalization of one things that I've

1644
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,680
noticed in the last year and a half. We

1645
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,320
don't have workshops anymore. Those

1646
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,800
they've stopped. They've ceased.

1647
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:01,520
And it's not great. It's not good. And the other thing that's happening is

1648
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,440
we used to have meetings that were 6

1649
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,360
hours long or 8 hours long and now we

1650
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,680
get done in an hour and a half.

1651
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,160
And that might be great for us, but

1652
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,280
what it also means is we're not

1653
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,880
deliberating.

1654
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,920
We're not taking the time to be very

1655
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,880
careful. We don't have experts up

1656
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,800
speaking and we're questioning them.

1657
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,160
It's It's just like we're on this

1658
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,960
just track of like speedy It's getting

1659
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,920
done. Things are getting done. It's like

1660
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,920
it's getting done.

1661
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,880
But is it done in a manner that people

1662
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,520
feel represented? Is it done in a manner

1663
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:38,920
that

1664
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,680
we have taken into account all of, you

1665
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,320
know, all the information that's out

1666
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,560
there? We've carefully dissected it. I

1667
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,640
don't think so. I do want to return to

1668
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,360
this concept of workshops and here's

1669
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,400
why. So, what we've done is supplanted

1670
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,560
them with subcommittees. Subcommittees

1671
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,960
don't have four commissioners. That

1672
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,600
being said,

1673
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,440
they are not open in public meetings.

1674
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,000
You probably are getting that. These

1675
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,320
subcommittees that are occurring.

1676
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,080
And I'm not saying that there's not some

1677
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,800
good stuff that's coming out of them.

1678
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,400
There are. But it's also people are not

1679
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,200
apprised. They can't go back and watch

1680
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,120
meetings. They can't go back and listen

1681
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,240
to audio of these meetings. So there

1682
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,240
things are being done

1683
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,800
in the veil of darkness and that's why

1684
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,640
you feel that you don't know what's

1685
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,360
going on. Cuz you don't.

1686
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,600
And then and and a lot of work has been

1687
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,880
done in a subcommittee and then it comes

1688
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,320
here tonight. And and and I want to tell

1689
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,360
you and I'm saying this um

1690
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,680
you guys have done a lot of work.

1691
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,600
And I and I won't I won't say I appreciate it, but

1692
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,960
you clearly have done a lot of work. You

1693
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,440
went out and got a lot of money and that

1694
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,360
that's that's you know, I I commend

1695
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,440
that.

1696
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,040
But

1697
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,960
people are feeling uncomfortable because

1698
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:02,440
we're not doing it in the in open. And I think we do need to turn return to

1699
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,600
workshops. There's a lot of value in

1700
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,720
those and and in those workshops we're

1701
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,200
all here. It's open and public and

1702
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,240
people can hear what's going on. And so

1703
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,280
I'm just going to make that

1704
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,680
recommendation. Um

1705
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:17,799
I think I'm going to start there and

1706
01:08:17,799 --> 01:08:19,720
then I if and then maybe I'll ask Brian

1707
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,440
a question and I'll come back later when

1708
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:24,680
you guys Can you give me kind of a

1709
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,839
cuz this has obviously been in the works

1710
01:08:26,839 --> 01:08:29,600
for a very long.

1711
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,160
I think.

1712
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,960
Would be my guess. Even maybe you know,

1713
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,799
prior to you.

1714
01:08:35,799 --> 01:08:37,560
But what I would like you to do is kind

1715
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,120
of give the general public just a

1716
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,040
narrative of like

1717
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,839
where this was hatched, who you've been

1718
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:45,759
working with because it's not something

1719
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:47,600
that came about a few months ago. This

1720
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,000
has been a long time process, I believe.

1721
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,520
And so if you can kind of just give me

1722
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,359
where you stepped in, who you've been

1723
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,040
working with, whether it's at the state

1724
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,359
level, the federal level, just give

1725
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,680
people kind of paint a picture so that

1726
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,680
maybe we do have a better feel for where

1727
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,440
this came from, you know, and why.

1728
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,839
Um, it just just the narrative. All

1729
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:10,839
right, we're going to skip over that

1730
01:09:10,839 --> 01:09:12,160
question for Brian. I'm going to go to

1731
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,240
the other commissioners that have their

1732
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,600
hands up, and then we'll go back to

1733
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:14,839
Brian.

1734
01:09:14,839 --> 01:09:16,000
>> Okay, great.

1735
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,400
If you're done with your comments, do

1736
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,400
you have any Yeah, I'll come back. All

1737
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,000
right. Commissioner McCurtin. Mine's a

1738
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,910
two-part. Uh, Lena, you still there?

1739
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:27,920
I am.

1740
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,040
Uh,

1741
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,120
why [clears throat] did the uh

1742
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,560
I I don't know the selection committee

1743
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,440
or how it was uh passed through, but why

1744
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:37,080
did the National Park Service

1745
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:37,720
uh

1746
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,400
bill the the want to chip in 1.5 million

1747
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,480
dollars?

1748
01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:42,720
And then

1749
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,440
do we have a state representative other

1750
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:46,680
than Larry on board here? I don't think

1751
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,040
Cuz I I want to know I know the state of

1752
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,799
Utah chipped in a million uh from the U

1753
01:09:51,799 --> 01:09:54,320
dot recreation hotspot program. Uh, and

1754
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,880
I know that vote was unanimous. I just

1755
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,080
want to hear their

1756
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,160
hear why they said that was a unanimous

1757
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,000
vote.

1758
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,520
Uh, it it again, I'm probably directing

1759
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,080
it Brian on this one.

1760
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,600
But, uh

1761
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,920
Lena, you're you're up, if that's okay.

1762
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,600
Uh, yeah, sure. Um, I I do want to just

1763
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,000
clarify one thing. The National Park

1764
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,720
Service director uh or acting director

1765
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,160
has prioritized this project and is uh

1766
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,640
committing to uh participating and

1767
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,240
putting in the 1.5 million dollars, but

1768
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,840
that has not been confirmed. It has not

1769
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,760
yet gone through the process of of a

1770
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,880
confirmed budget. So, we we don't have

1771
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,920
that check in hand. Uh, although that I

1772
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,600
have been assured by the the director

1773
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,280
that it is a priority for her. So, um

1774
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,120
we're we're not quite at 100% in terms

1775
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,720
of that 1.5 million dollars. I will say

1776
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,600
when uh we discovered that timed entry

1777
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,880
was not going to be a a workable option

1778
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,880
for us this summer, um there was an

1779
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,400
effort at the National Park Service

1780
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,640
leadership level in the Department of

1781
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,680
Interior level to try to find other ways

1782
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,920
to mitigate the visitation and

1783
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,520
congestion that we were starting to see.

1784
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,320
And so, there's lots of different ways

1785
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,120
that we've approached that. Some of it

1786
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,320
has to do with the tactics and

1787
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,880
techniques that we're using on the

1788
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,880
ground in the field and one of those

1789
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,200
options was Grand County's coming to the

1790
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,920
table and asking if we were interested

1791
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,880
in looking into a shuttle option via the

1792
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,960
ASL alternative and so

1793
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,440
I have communicated that that is a

1794
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,960
priority for our local gateway community

1795
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,480
and the director has assured us that is a priority for her as well.

1796
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,440
But I do want to just just confirm again

1797
01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:26,480
we do not have 100% certainty in that

1798
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:27,720
funding. It has not yet gone through the

1799
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,120
process of funding approval. That is a a

1800
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,800
verbal commitment from the the director

1801
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,000
of the National Park Service.

1802
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Understood. I think it's a verbal

1803
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,120
commitment on our side too not a

1804
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,680
lockdown of funding until legal review

1805
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,800
etc. And coming back to the commission.

1806
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,640
So that's good to know.

1807
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,280
Did that Did that answer your question?

1808
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,720
Uh yeah and

1809
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,080
normally I'd ask

1810
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,840
a federal partner on for Udot partner

1811
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,960
but pending not having one is right now

1812
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,600
and You got to keep talking those since

1813
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,800
I had you too. Trish's comments you're

1814
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,440
going to have all these lists to answer

1815
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:04,400
and we're going to go to Bill cuz you

1816
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,320
might have some more questions here.

1817
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,880
And then Mary has her hand up too. So

1818
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,800
we're going to go to Bill, Mary and then

1819
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,320
we're going to go back to you Brighton.

1820
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:13,800
>> Sure.

1821
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,720
Yeah I want to I want to start with some

1822
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,400
of Commissioner Hadin's remarks

1823
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,360
hatched. I I've we've talked about this

1824
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,600
in the past and words matter. I think

1825
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,520
that you're basically

1826
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,600
conferring [clears throat]

1827
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,080
that Commissioner Martinez is doing

1828
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,320
something illegitimate or illegally. So

1829
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,960
let's let's be careful with our

1830
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,600
>> Come on Bill. Hatched? I mean that

1831
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,040
sounds

1832
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,880
>> Come on. It's your chicken coop. They

1833
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,400
It's not your turn to talk about this.

1834
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,840
And I'll continue on here but I do think

1835
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,840
it's important to remember that he is an

1836
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,040
elected official and he is just as

1837
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,640
I am or anybody else in this room should

1838
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,280
be represented and appreciated for what

1839
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,320
he's done and is up here and not

1840
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,720
disrespected, but

1841
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,840
let's go on with a few points that I

1842
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,520
want to make and then I'm going to make

1843
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,840
a motion. The current commission

1844
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,280
leadership is working hard and getting

1845
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,160
things accomplished and even you

1846
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,240
mentioned that Commissioner Hedin. Thank

1847
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,920
you for noticing.

1848
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,080
We have had unanimous and bipartisan

1849
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,880
support from all federal, state, and

1850
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,560
county, and city entities involved in

1851
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,200
this project. I've say I'll state them

1852
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,480
again, federal, state, county, and city.

1853
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,920
Unanimous support in our subcommittee

1854
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,480
meetings to move this forward.

1855
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:36,760
We even have a Moab City Council member

1856
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,640
who wants to bid on this process, which

1857
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,120
I think is magnanimous. I think this

1858
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,080
should be put out bid.

1859
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,560
We're getting things done. We're

1860
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,560
for the people of this county and they

1861
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,640
might not necessarily be the people in

1862
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,480
this room, but there are 9,000 residents

1863
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,240
in this county and we're getting things

1864
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,120
done for them. I ran on affordable

1865
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,280
housing,

1866
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,320
a strong economy, and fiscal

1867
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,040
transparency. And to question any of

1868
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,080
those is just a political game. It's not

1869
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,920
looking at the reality of what this

1870
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,960
commission has accomplished in the last

1871
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,520
year and a half.

1872
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,320
That's what

1873
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,680
we're trying to do is get things done

1874
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,240
and to continue to point and to make

1875
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,360
political Patrick remarks against your

1876
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,240
fellow commissioners, I think it needs

1877
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,280
to be called out and I would I just

1878
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,200
appreciate a level of professionalism up

1879
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,040
here. And with that, I'm going to make

1880
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,400
the motion to approve the allocation of

1881
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,600
500,000

1882
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,080
from transient room tax,

1883
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,960
TRT mitigation funds at the county's

1884
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,200
local match for the Grand County Arches

1885
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:49,350
National Park Shuttle Pilot.

1886
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:50,960
Mike. Uh

1887
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,880
no, Mike second round is talking. Okay.

1888
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,280
I'm not saying that. Captain for a

1889
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,280
second for the Mike Brian. I'll second,

1890
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,280
yeah. Brian second, okay. And it's

1891
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,920
Mary's turn to talk and then Brian and

1892
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:01,760
then we'll go to Mike.

1893
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,550
>> Okay. So, Mary

1894
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,640
Whether or not this is a good idea is

1895
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,480
not my concern. My concern is the

1896
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,680
budget.

1897
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,280
$500,000,

1898
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,400
half a million dollars.

1899
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,720
Our job is to take care of the citizens

1900
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,920
and the people of this county.

1901
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,160
We need We're looking. They're

1902
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,720
forecasting a huge

1903
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,880
uh season of monsoons.

1904
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,520
We have flood mitigation.

1905
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,240
We've been pulling money out of our

1906
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,520
flood mitigation.

1907
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,640
We did not fund

1908
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,720
uh the uh

1909
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,080
solid waste to the degree that they

1910
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,680
asked for with our TRT mitigation fund.

1911
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,560
We said we didn't have enough.

1912
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,720
We did not fund the museum

1913
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,760
fully. We said we did not have enough uh

1914
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,000
mitigation money.

1915
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,400
It's a shell game to say this is not

1916
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,120
coming from the general fund.

1917
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,240
It is coming from the general fund.

1918
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,440
Flood uh TRT mitigation money

1919
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:15,960
is to offset

1920
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,600
our general fund for the things that

1921
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,720
Grand County needs to accomplish.

1922
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:24,920
This

1923
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,080
shuttle system as whether it's a good

1924
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,440
idea or a bad idea is not our per day.

1925
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,720
We should not be spending a half a

1926
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,280
million dollars

1927
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,240
when we have not given our our employees

1928
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,480
a cola.

1929
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:44,640
When we've had told uh heads of

1930
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,840
departments that no, you can do it

1931
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,160
without this this year because we don't

1932
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,350
have the money.

1933
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,480
When we have put a

1934
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,520
hold, a freeze on hiring because we

1935
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,110
don't have the money.

1936
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:02,760
And then you turn around and you want to

1937
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,040
spend a half a million dollars on

1938
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,680
something that we don't even know it's

1939
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,080
going to do what it's claiming to do.

1940
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,800
It's so fiscally irresponsible that I am

1941
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,110
shocked.

1942
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,760
This is

1943
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,480
We went through a very tough

1944
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,560
budget season this year.

1945
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,440
We told a lot of people no.

1946
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:28,040
We didn't fund them and some of them are

1947
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,560
facing some really hard things because

1948
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,960
we did not choose to get that give them

1949
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,400
the employees that they requested. We

1950
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,080
chose not to fix the things they asked

1951
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,430
to be fixed.

1952
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,320
I think to spend a half a million

1953
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,040
dollars

1954
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,320
to subsidize a federal agency

1955
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,310
is irresponsible and wrong.

1956
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,600
Thank you. Now we're going to go to

1957
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,440
Brian. He's got some questions to answer

1958
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:03,160
and then Mike and Chuck.

1959
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,680
Yeah. You know, I don't even know if I'm

1960
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:05,920
going to go ahead and start answering

1961
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,080
the questions with everything that's

1962
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,600
going around.

1963
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:09,880
You know, if everyone's just going to

1964
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,240
jockey for political position right now,

1965
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,200
then I guess I'll just join the crowd.

1966
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,640
Mary,

1967
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,600
you know, I

1968
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,720
respect you but but the grandstanding is outrageous, right? Absolutely

1969
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,280
ridiculous. You know, under the previous

1970
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,680
leadership, the state audit caught this

1971
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,160
county illegally overspending mitigation

1972
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,080
funds at $900,000.

1973
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,120
Trish, you you agreed to it. I didn't

1974
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,040
agree to it. Our 2022 financials, right,

1975
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,040
were so riddled with errors that they

1976
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,840
had to be refiled and restated, right?

1977
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,720
Our our county property tax

1978
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,040
distributions were suspended in 2023 and

1979
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,640
2024.

1980
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,320
You you uh Jack, when you called to

1981
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,200
testify up there in front of the state

1982
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,680
audit for intentional abuse behind the

1983
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,440
backs of all of the commissioners right

1984
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,040
here after you received a Wasn't behind

1985
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,800
anyone's anyone's back. It was in front

1986
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,680
of everyone.

1987
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,200
>> After you received a tax notice right to

1988
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,400
respond in 60 days, right? Despite

1989
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,080
long-running attempts to minimize the

1990
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,280
state findings, right? Everybody uh

1991
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,520
well, not us, but you guys sat up here

1992
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,680
and accepted their accepted unanimously

1993
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:24,480
their damning conclusions, right? You continued last year to illegally

1994
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,360
appropriate TRT funds to the responsible

1995
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,600
recreation program. And it's funny

1996
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,320
because the same people that came up

1997
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,400
here to speak today about this were

1998
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,440
speaking out for the Tiff the the

1999
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:37,640
responsible recreation program. The

2000
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,480
height of hypocrisy right there. I will

2001
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:41,920
go ahead and we can go ahead and talk

2002
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,200
about why this is fiscally responsible.

2003
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:50,150
Let me pull up a spreadsheet right here.

2004
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,680
And I use I used October right there for

2005
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,480
the numbers because two things happened

2006
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:56,760
in October. First, this commissioner

2007
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,680
right here went ahead and started

2008
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,600
advertising again with Madden, who's

2009
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,760
been doing a fantastic job. And the

2010
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,840
second thing is it will reflect what

2011
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,760
happened minus the timed entry

2012
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,400
reservation system. We're up 23%

2013
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,360
from those decisions right there in TRT.

2014
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,720
We're up 18% I'm sorry, 11%. These are

2015
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,280
the numbers that Gabe presented right

2016
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,520
here inside your pocket. We're up 11% in

2017
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,040
total sales tax revenue.

2018
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,520
A easy moderate 10% right there from our

2019
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,200
4.5 mitigation that we also used for

2020
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,040
last year would say that there's going

2021
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,280
to be $450,000

2022
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,920
more in TRT mitigation.

2023
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,920
Look at the previous 6 months to that

2024
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,600
right there, and we were shooting at 8%

2025
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,680
on the negative to what we budgeted, and

2026
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,560
also four to 4% down on total tax

2027
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,320
collected. And that's after the

2028
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,360
adjustment that this commission right

2029
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,680
here made when we recognized the problem

2030
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,800
of where our county was headed. Had we

2031
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,320
continued on last year's path, we'd be

2032
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,640
looking at 11% down and 7%. So, I just I

2033
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,760
just like to clear the air real quick on where everybody's sitting at. Now,

2034
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,160
getting back to Mike's conversation, I

2035
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,040
think that that we owe a ton of

2036
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,480
gratitude to the the commissioners up

2037
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,560
there at the U.S. Transportation. Um

2038
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,080
they were very supportive of this

2039
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,320
program. They asked um a couple of

2040
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,880
questions while I was up there. I think

2041
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,320
the the most important is that they

2042
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,600
would like to see the results. The folks

2043
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,680
who have been most interested are really

2044
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,560
interested in the data that we're going

2045
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,240
to be able to produce with this right

2046
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,240
here. And the reason that they would

2047
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,920
like to see the results isn't just to

2048
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,440
see if this was a success or a failure.

2049
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:40,040
They'd like to make sure that this isn't

2050
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,600
a one-time type of a a pilot, right?

2051
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:43,800
They want to make sure that this is

2052
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,200
something that continues to go on

2053
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,120
because they see the need for this here

2054
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,640
in Grand County.

2055
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,520
Um talking to Trish, I mean, I don't

2056
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,200
know where to start on this. I mean,

2057
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,880
I've been involved since, you know, 2011

2058
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,680
inside of of this conversation on Arches

2059
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,960
management. Um I mean, it really has

2060
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,960
been a long time standing that I've that I've studied these documents.

2061
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,680
I've read every report. I've made

2062
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,400
comments publicly um prior to becoming a

2063
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:10,680
commissioner.

2064
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,680
Um I've made, you know, um

2065
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,600
you know, I've done a lot of work here

2066
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,240
to try to to try to help with the

2067
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:18,920
visitor management plan inside of

2068
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,880
Arches. Um

2069
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,880
I've I've guided in Arches. I mean, it

2070
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,560
probably as many times as as most folks.

2071
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,720
I mean, it is near and dear to my heart

2072
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,280
inside that park. And I do want to see

2073
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,440
that place run as efficiently, and I

2074
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,880
want everybody to to understand this. I

2075
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,480
just want to tell a quick story about

2076
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:40,640
why I guide. So, when I'm out on a trip,

2077
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,880
and I'm out there, I get asked the

2078
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,760
question, "Do these red rocks ever get

2079
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,040
old?" Right? And the question is is

2080
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,840
yeah, I've seen the scenery, you know, a

2081
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,400
thousand times. But the biggest thrill

2082
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,760
that I get, right, is when I see that

2083
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,120
look in someone else's eye that reminds

2084
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,360
me of the first time that I saw. Right?

2085
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,040
And I want to make sure that everybody

2086
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,280
has that opportunity. I don't want to

2087
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,320
keep people out of the park. I want them

2088
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,880
to be able to go there and light up and

2089
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,680
go and tell all their friends about how

2090
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,080
amazing the place it is that we live.

2091
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,280
And that's my inspiration, right? When

2092
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,080
we started our conversation with

2093
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,320
Superintendent Pace, Commissioner

2094
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,080
McCandless, and Commissioner Linfield,

2095
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,760
we started off on this basic this basic

2096
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,080
trust right here, right? And that is I

2097
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,440
have a love for Arches National Park and

2098
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,280
the Park Service has a love for Arches

2099
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,640
National Park.

2100
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,760
I think from that foundation right

2101
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,680
there, I think that there was an

2102
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,520
understanding that we could solve big

2103
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,920
problems. And and and that's and that's

2104
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,600
it. I mean, I'd say that's probably the

2105
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,000
story of of of of how we got to to where

2106
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,040
we are. I think that when we work

2107
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,600
collaboratively, that that we can do big

2108
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,560
things. And and and and and it shows. I

2109
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,360
mean, we can we can make things happen

2110
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,040
in a time in time before things go

2111
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,840
wrong. And that's what I'd really love

2112
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,760
to see. I'd love to be able to see a

2113
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,520
solution come into Arches National Park

2114
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,080
to where we don't have to see any kind

2115
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,520
of destruction.

2116
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,120
Um that we can have a great visitor

2117
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,400
experience. You can look back at all of

2118
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,520
the documents that that are in there,

2119
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,400
whether it's in this commission agenda

2120
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,640
items or the other 20 that we've loaded

2121
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:19,760
up with.

2122
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,080
There's so much inside there that talks

2123
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,360
about all of the ways to to handle a

2124
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,520
visitor use management inside of the

2125
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,760
park.

2126
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,560
And and I know that that that folks who

2127
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,320
really liked timed entry, and some folks

2128
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,720
did, but it also was keeping a lot of

2129
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,160
people out of our parks. And no matter

2130
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,800
how we look at it, no matter how we look

2131
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,120
at it, if you want to go back to the

2132
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,000
2012 study, it said it's going to cost

2133
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,960
you 190,000 visitors. It said that right

2134
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,120
there in the cost analysis. So yeah, it

2135
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,440
says it's only going to cost you two

2136
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:54,520
bucks a person, but it did say right

2137
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,840
there 190,000 visitors. We've known this

2138
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,680
all along. We've just been blind to it

2139
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,520
because we were in favor of another

2140
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,640
solution. And that's really the big

2141
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,480
difference is right now there's

2142
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:08,880
political will to do just like I had

2143
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,280
said earlier, right? We can have that

2144
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,200
expand that access. We can still protect

2145
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,800
our park.

2146
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,200
And we can keep those gates open.

2147
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,640
We're going to go to Stephen. He has his

2148
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,760
hand up and then we're going to go to

2149
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,240
him. Is Jack in front of me? No. You're

2150
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,320
next.

2151
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,600
Stephen Stephen's voting. Well, and and

2152
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,080
my my points are just on it's not

2153
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,080
necessarily policy, but I did want to,

2154
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,360
you know, address a couple things. When

2155
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:34,920
we're looking to allocate the funds, if

2156
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,560
we're looking at TRT mitigation funds,

2157
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,160
are we looking at allocating 2026

2158
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,880
mitigation funds or in the future 2027

2159
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,520
mitigation funds?

2160
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,880
Next, where we're going to budget or how

2161
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,840
we're going to budget those funds.

2162
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,840
And then if we're looking at allocating

2163
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,320
those funds if there's an extra 500,000.

2164
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,000
I'm just raising those points when we

2165
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,040
move forward. I know

2166
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,520
what's being stated is that we're not

2167
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,040
making the expenditure yet at this

2168
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,000
point, but I just wanted to raise those

2169
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,920
issues well to to make sure that we're

2170
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,040
doing this in the uh the cleanest way

2171
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,120
possible, but just raising those issues.

2172
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:10,440
Thank you, Stephen. Stephen, I'll go

2173
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:12,000
ahead and just answer those questions

2174
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:19,200
real quick for you. So the idea was a out of the 22 26 funds

2175
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,880
right there for the TRT, but this that's where this money would be coming

2176
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,320
from. It was already stated at the end

2177
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,360
of last year during budget season that

2178
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:29,640
we were going to be doing a budget

2179
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,960
amendment come next month. So, I would

2180
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,920
imagine that this would be part of that

2181
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,920
budget amendment moving forward.

2182
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,680
Okay. Commissioner [clears throat]

2183
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,080
Decker.

2184
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,480
Can Sure, can I

2185
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:44,280
Yeah, go ahead. Thoughts? Go ahead. Just following up on that thought. So,

2186
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,280
that means before we make

2187
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,080
um So, so then my question is whether we

2188
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,320
should be allocating the funds prior to

2189
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,320
the budgeting process. I think that the

2190
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,240
commission can express a clear intent to

2191
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,040
do that. I just don't know if we're

2192
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,280
muddling muddling things if we're making

2193
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,960
the allocation prior to doing the budget

2194
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,110
amendment process.

2195
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,200
Well, I think that that that at least in

2196
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,880
the previous commission that we had that

2197
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,960
we made allocations and then we handled

2198
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,760
all of those allocations at the budget

2199
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,840
amendment process last year. Things

2200
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,360
might have been different under previous

2201
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,080
commissions, but last year that's how we

2202
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:27,150
handled our budget amendments.

2203
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,560
Any more, Steven?

2204
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,080
I I would

2205
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,760
I'm just making sure that that yeah, I I

2206
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,000
don't I would probably

2207
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,440
um inquire if Gabe if the clerk auditor had a had a

2208
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:41,880
preference or insight. I'm not trying to

2209
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,120
put him on the spot. Um but it does seem

2210
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,440
like if we're making these things in the

2211
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,360
future, we could probably circle up

2212
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,040
between now and then and and figure out

2213
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,320
the best way to approach all of this.

2214
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,680
Um but I know that the intent to try to

2215
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,440
make the allocation tonight or or to

2216
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,280
signal that clear intent that that's

2217
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,560
what you guys would like to do. I'm just

2218
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,280
trying to make sure we vet all the

2219
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,160
issues.

2220
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,000
You want to comment on that?

2221
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:07,440
My question right now is in the agenda

2222
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:08,880
packet it says working with county

2223
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,280
administration funds have been

2224
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:11,920
identified for this project from the

2225
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,760
county's TRT mitigation account without

2226
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,920
reducing funds for essential services.

2227
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,160
So, does that mean that we're

2228
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,160
anticipating that the next 10 months of

2229
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,040
revenue will will create such a windfall

2230
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,360
that it will justify this expense? Is

2231
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,800
that Why doesn't If that's what we mean,

2232
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,400
why doesn't it say that in the packet?

2233
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,400
What does that mean?

2234
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,160
Okay.

2235
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,160
When I speak Mike, go ahead. Well, we'll

2236
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,800
see.

2237
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,000
I'd like to make a secondary motion

2238
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,800
in that I move to approve the allocation

2239
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,360
of 500,000

2240
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,640
from fund reserves fund 47

2241
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,280
uh

2242
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:51,840
as the county's local match for the

2243
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,880
Grand County Arches National Park

2244
01:28:53,880 --> 01:29:02,150
shuttle pilot pending legal review.

2245
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,360
I'll second that.

2246
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:08,470
It's for discussion going on. Okay.

2247
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,960
It's that we have motion to paid out of

2248
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,800
our fund 47 which is trails, it's

2249
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,160
optional sales tax

2250
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,200
uh funds. Well, when a question comes

2251
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,960
just so everyone knows, it's options

2252
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,320
on that those fund reserves are trails

2253
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,786
uh shuttle services and I can't remember

2254
01:29:27,786 --> 01:29:28,720
[clears throat] the third What was the

2255
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,440
other restriction on that?

2256
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,000
It was trails

2257
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,640
shuttle services and one more

2258
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,600
restriction on that on those those

2259
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,160
direct funds.

2260
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,480
>> Transit system. Transit system, yeah.

2261
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:44,110
>> transit. Thank you.

2262
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,920
And and sure just a point of

2263
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,120
clarification for the for folks in the

2264
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:49,800
public it might be helpful to identify

2265
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,070
fund 47.

2266
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,480
Yeah, he said fund 47 and that's

2267
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,000
our optional [clears throat] sales tax

2268
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
reserve. It's the trails fund where

2269
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,720
there's allocations made. There have

2270
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,480
been allocations made for the last 6

2271
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:06,360
years um

2272
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,960
uh from the roads department, um, and

2273
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,920
transferred to fund 47 for potential,

2274
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:12,480
uh,

2275
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:15,000
pay path maintenance, trail, um, you

2276
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,400
know, and trail type projects that are

2277
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,950
qualifying those funds.

2278
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,240
Okay, is Jack Hugh or next?

2279
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,240
So,

2280
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,240
virtual So, that means that's money that

2281
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:27,360
we could spend on, for example, the

2282
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,760
Spanish Valley multi-use pathway,

2283
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,440
correct?

2284
01:30:30,440 --> 01:30:31,720
There's not money in that account in

2285
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,640
both. There's not money in both. There

2286
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:34,480
is.

2287
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:35,240
Uh,

2288
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,920
Um, wasn't identified.

2289
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,840
>> Anyway, um,

2290
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,400
to to to to speak to some of the things

2291
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:43,560
that have been said about about the

2292
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,000
past,

2293
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,720
uh, my involvement in the audit, um,

2294
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,680
there's enough political there

2295
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:52,760
for me to write a book on it, and

2296
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:58,640
sometime I'm going to. It It's That was a singular experience, and, uh,

2297
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,120
we were subject to some pretty,

2298
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:02,960
uh, interesting,

2299
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,280
uh, political maneuvering on that.

2300
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,320
Um, there's some hypocrisy going around.

2301
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:08,720
It's coming thick and fast from near

2302
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:10,640
quarter, and, uh,

2303
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,240
it's it's, um, awesome of you to bring

2304
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:14,552
that up. That's

2305
01:31:14,552 --> 01:31:15,200
>> [laughter]

2306
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,640
>> That's That's rich, Brian. Um,

2307
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,840
it sounds like this is it's So, this

2308
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:22,960
it doesn't need to go through legal

2309
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,120
review. We'll get to that when we get to

2310
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,600
a contract.

2311
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,720
Um, it sounds like it's about the money,

2312
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,280
uh,

2313
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,040
and I would second much what Mary said

2314
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,040
about the money. I just

2315
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:33,800
I

2316
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,960
While a shuttle system in arches is is

2317
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,440
definitely interesting and and and a

2318
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:42,200
good idea,

2319
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,920
um,

2320
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,920
I think it it seems to me there needs to

2321
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,360
be a lot more that goes into that

2322
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,360
thought than than

2323
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,480
starting something up in the next 3

2324
01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:54,440
months on a shoe string.

2325
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:57,080
And our commitment for half a million

2326
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:58,880
dollars, to me to me there's just so

2327
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,000
many places that we could spend that

2328
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,120
money.

2329
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:01,720
Um,

2330
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,480
there as it was pointed out the money's

2331
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:05,640
up this year. It's great. It's been a

2332
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,320
great season. It's awesome. I've been

2333
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,200
affiliated with I think four businesses

2334
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,160
in town and we're all doing well.

2335
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,600
There's a lot you can attribute that to.

2336
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,440
I think a lot of it is due to increased

2337
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:16,520
advertising that that all of us voted on

2338
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,480
last year. I think even more of it is

2339
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,280
due to the incredible weather we've had

2340
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,080
combined with the super poor ski season

2341
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,440
this year. I ran a

2342
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:27,640
uh very busy outfitting business on Main

2343
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,680
Street for 12 years

2344
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,480
and nothing

2345
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,680
dictated business more than the weather.

2346
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,600
If we had a crappy rainy weekend, we

2347
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,280
didn't have tourists.

2348
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:39,800
We had a uh

2349
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,040
early spring and a bad ski season, we

2350
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,920
were we were flush and and that's the

2351
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,480
case this year. I don't think we should

2352
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:47,720
count

2353
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:52,840
on those dollars going forward. It's a iffy proposition. We could have a

2354
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,880
fire. There's there's a million things,

2355
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,960
recessions, price of gas that that go

2356
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,120
into

2357
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,080
the way that people spend money here.

2358
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,960
Just because we're doing well on tax

2359
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,080
collection right now, doesn't mean we

2360
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,480
should allocate those funds towards

2361
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,800
something like this um that is a pilot

2362
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,320
and has the potential not to be renewed.

2363
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,320
It

2364
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,280
is I think irresponsible. I would love

2365
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,080
to see some of the things funded that we

2366
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,640
didn't get to fund in the last budget

2367
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,600
system and and the last budgeting season

2368
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:22,240
um

2369
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,880
including and foremost solid ways to see

2370
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,040
Chris here.

2371
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,280
Um I know you guys are are in need of a

2372
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:32,360
lot of that mediation money as well. Um

2373
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:34,040
that's it for now.

2374
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,750
Okay Mary, go ahead.

2375
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,120
Thank you. Uh

2376
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,680
I'm sorry I lost I'm I apologize for my

2377
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:42,960
anger.

2378
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,120
I'm just not giving our people a cola

2379
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,280
this year was really hard on my heart.

2380
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,240
I think our most important

2381
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:57,160
asset is our staff and I don't think we

2382
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,040
not giving them a cola and then this

2383
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,080
year

2384
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,800
with inflation going up and

2385
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,440
uh

2386
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,080
price of gas

2387
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,480
I mean it's really been hard on them.

2388
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,360
And I'm concerned about many things in

2389
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,360
the county from flood mitigation to

2390
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,360
solid waste to

2391
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,520
uh continuing the search and rescue. So,

2392
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,720
I just think there are so many needs

2393
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,720
that we need to focus on.

2394
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,440
And I'm also concerned that this

2395
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:29,240
windfall may not continue.

2396
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:33,160
We've always relied a great deal on our

2397
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:33,840
uh

2398
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,360
international travel

2399
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,440
in the summer.

2400
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:41,480
And I've spoken to innkeepers and such

2401
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:43,800
and the international people are not

2402
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,280
booking.

2403
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,240
It was bad last year, but it's gotten a

2404
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:48,680
lot worse.

2405
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,720
So, I'm really concerned that this uh

2406
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,480
summer we're going to see a dip.

2407
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,400
Un- unlike this spring that has been

2408
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,920
really nice and wonderful for our our uh

2409
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,640
tax base. But, I don't I'm really I'm

2410
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,840
concerned with what's happening uh on

2411
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,160
the national stage

2412
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,600
and

2413
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,160
we're not going to see

2414
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,200
the tourist continue moving forward.

2415
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,470
And I'm

2416
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:24,190
I I just I think that

2417
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,000
this is not in our lane.

2418
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,440
And more people

2419
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,840
will use the trails in our county

2420
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,550
than will use the shuttle.

2421
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,480
Trails in this county is what brings

2422
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:40,000
people here.

2423
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,960
They're internationally known. They are

2424
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,120
our many in many ways our bread and

2425
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:47,280
butter.

2426
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,840
They they are the one our trails are

2427
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,720
what bring our jeepers, what bring our

2428
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,200
hikers, what make brings our mountain

2429
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,360
bikers, what brings many many people,

2430
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,920
just people that like to just take

2431
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,680
casual walks.

2432
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,480
Maintaining and taking care of our

2433
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,680
trails is of such

2434
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,080
a high need to even consider taking

2435
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,640
money out of that.

2436
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,840
We just don't have the money.

2437
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,560
And we need to start putting money back

2438
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:22,480
into our savings. We were saving every year.

2439
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:26,040
We were saving $400,000 a year for flood

2440
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,000
mitigation. We haven't been doing that

2441
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,040
over the last 2 years.

2442
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,520
I'm just

2443
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,040
I think this is ill-conceived on a

2444
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,320
financial level, whether or not it's a

2445
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,360
good idea or not. Financially, I think

2446
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:47,110
it's a very poor poor decision.

2447
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,760
And Trish, go ahead and next. Okay. All

2448
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,320
right. So, I have No, we're going to be

2449
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:52,280
wrapping this. I know I've done with

2450
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:53,800
talk one more time, but I think we're

2451
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:54,880
going to all talk one time, and we're

2452
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,600
going to call it a night. Okay. Yep.

2453
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:57,720
That's fine.

2454
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,320
And so,

2455
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:00,920
um it might take me a couple minutes.

2456
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,760
So, first of all, I want to respond to

2457
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,240
Commissioner Winfield's attack on me.

2458
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,600
Um

2459
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,200
I I did not make an attack on Brian. I

2460
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,040
asked a simple question and asked him to

2461
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,080
give a narrative, and there's no reason

2462
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,480
to continue to attack me. It's getting

2463
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:19,800
really really really tiresome. But, I

2464
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,640
will continue to be here. You're not

2465
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,440
going to I'm not going to quit. I know

2466
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:24,920
that's what you want, but it ain't ain't

2467
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:26,200
going to happen.

2468
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,120
Um next, Mel a minute, I'm going to

2469
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,840
state that when I make random comments

2470
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,640
and I'm called out on it,

2471
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,320
understandably, I expect every

2472
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:36,800
commissioner to be called out. Brian has

2473
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,920
made multiple comments tonight and not

2474
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,560
been called out on it. So, please, let's

2475
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,240
just be consistent. It's all I'm asking,

2476
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,240
and there it's it's hasn't been.

2477
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,040
Um Brian, you didn't really give the

2478
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,080
story. You told like a personal story,

2479
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,280
but again, I believe that, you know,

2480
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,320
there's been work at a at a state level,

2481
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,640
a lot of work with PlipCo would be my I

2482
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,160
guess, because I know PlipCo's been

2483
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,800
involved with your guys' subcommittee. I

2484
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,640
think there's been work at a federal

2485
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,480
level. I know you guys went back to DC,

2486
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:10,840
and that's kind of what I wanted you to divulge to the citizens. Didn't

2487
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,320
happen, but it is what it is.

2488
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:14,960
I will not

2489
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:18,160
be voting for this. And it's and it's

2490
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,920
I first want to state I I support the

2491
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,040
concept of a shuttle system. I do.

2492
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,080
think that it should begin with a

2493
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,240
feasibility study, an updated

2494
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,000
feasibility study. We have a feasibility

2495
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,080
study from 2012.

2496
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:34,200
Thank you for putting that in the

2497
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,280
packet. That was great. I think the

2498
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:37,880
first step should be an updated

2499
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,880
feasibility study, and then we move from

2500
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,520
there. And it's a holistic process. So,

2501
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,160
I would all day long support

2502
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,800
that those are the initial steps, and I

2503
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,560
would spend money on that. I don't

2504
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,120
really want to spend more money right

2505
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,600
now, but I would spend spend money on

2506
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,960
that. Um, and then, you know, I guess

2507
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:57,840
the last thing I'll say is I don't I

2508
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,280
cannot stress enough, and I've stressed

2509
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,560
it all along, as we continue to spend

2510
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,440
money out of budget.

2511
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:07,160
We have a budgeting process.

2512
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,800
We do that from September to December.

2513
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,520
And there's a reason for that. And by

2514
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,440
the way, we started 2026 in a deficit.

2515
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:18,560
We were in a deficit in 25. We started

2516
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,960
26 in a deficit.

2517
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,160
And what I would think,

2518
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,040
on just a personal level, if I was in

2519
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,520
the hole, I wouldn't be randomly

2520
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,160
spending money.

2521
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,280
And yet, we continue literally almost

2522
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:36,160
every single mini meeting to spend more

2523
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,400
money that is out of budget. And that's

2524
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,520
my concern, and I would agree, we have

2525
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,000
endless needs in this county, endless

2526
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,920
needs in this county. We have a capital

2527
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,200
projects list this long.

2528
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,960
We have staffing needs. It goes on and on. Mary's already said it,

2529
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,840
Jacques has already said it. So, if

2530
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,200
that's my main, I guess, twofold, two

2531
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,640
things. I don't I don't think this has

2532
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,960
been properly vetted. I think I would I

2533
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,000
think a feasibility study, an updated

2534
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,680
feasibility study would be perfect.

2535
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,480
And then, two, we currently do not have

2536
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:10,480
the money. We're running in the red, and

2537
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:12,320
we need to stop spending money outside

2538
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,600
of budget.

2539
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,960
Okay, Bill is next.

2540
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,560
Okay. Um I'll start off with I'll buy

2541
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,880
the first copy of your book, Jacques.

2542
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,240
I'd like to have it signed, preferably.

2543
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:27,920
Um and then,

2544
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,760
I'd like to go back, and I agree with

2545
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,320
Mary. I think every one of us struggled

2546
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:34,960
when we didn't weren't able to give

2547
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,880
staff a cola. I don't think it was taken

2548
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,200
lightly by any commissioner here. We all

2549
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,520
struggled with that. And it's also

2550
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,840
something that should be addressed when

2551
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,000
we

2552
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,800
amend our budget at midyear, because

2553
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,840
although Trish keeps saying that we're

2554
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,040
running in the red, um actually, I think

2555
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,320
um Gabe's numbers show that we are not

2556
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,240
running in the red, and even Brian

2557
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,160
mentioned it, we're back to running in

2558
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,240
the black, and that's because of the

2559
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,120
leadership for the last year and a half.

2560
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:07,640
It's not because of the prior

2561
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,160
leadership. We're running in the black

2562
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,320
now in our books, and if somebody wants

2563
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,800
to prove otherwise, please give me those

2564
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,040
numbers.

2565
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:17,920
So,

2566
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,800
um running on a shoestring, this isn't

2567
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,160
running on a shoestring. This pedal

2568
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,720
system has been worked on. Commissioner

2569
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,480
Hedin, you mentioned and you keep

2570
01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:30,280
questioning Brian about where all this

2571
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:32,600
was hatched, or where the work started.

2572
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,760
You were at the meeting in Salt Lake

2573
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,880
City. I was at the meeting, Commissioner

2574
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,920
Martinez, yourself.

2575
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,400
We were working with the federal

2576
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,880
government, Kevin Lilly.

2577
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,800
I might be wrong. It wasn't Kevin Lilly.

2578
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,520
Um Karen Butt Fallon was there. We also

2579
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,760
had Plitko there. Yes, there's been work

2580
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,960
with Plitko. The National Park Service,

2581
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,280
Lena was there as well. I think at your

2582
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,360
table. And so

2583
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,480
we have had multiple meetings on this

2584
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,520
that you have been involved in. So to

2585
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,080
keep stating that where was this

2586
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,360
hatched? How did we come up with this?

2587
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:08,760
Well, you were there. You've been had

2588
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,640
every opportunity with many of us to be

2589
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,600
updated. Sometimes you choose not to. I

2590
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,720
know that Brian put out a message to all

2591
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,320
of us commissioners. Anybody ask

2592
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,320
questions, call me.

2593
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,600
So you could have been further updated

2594
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,280
with that.

2595
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:25,680
I um

2596
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:29,320
I will say that there are a lot of local

2597
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,280
keyboard warriors that are spreading

2598
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,280
misinformation from day one about this.

2599
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,640
It is no wonder that the public is

2600
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:41,160
misinformed, as you say.

2601
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,240
You'd have to be delusional to keep

2602
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,480
believing the misinformation that is

2603
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:47,640
going out on social media in this

2604
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,360
community because none of it is fact,

2605
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,000
especially when we have been in meetings

2606
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,080
together and you have been informed

2607
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,160
about them and he has and I have.

2608
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,000
All of us as commissioners have been in

2609
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,360
these meetings. So to continue to

2610
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,680
rely on social media, anybody in this

2611
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:12,270
community should um question that one.

2612
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:14,600
Clearly, several commissioners are

2613
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:17,320
struggling with this issue.

2614
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,720
But Jacques, you say that you're against

2615
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,320
using it for TRT. So are you fine with

2616
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,760
the secondary motion? Because we have

2617
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,640
another source here that we can use it

2618
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,600
so we don't have to take it out of

2619
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,120
as Gabe says, our numbers are up, we're

2620
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,200
running in the black." You say they're

2621
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,200
in the red, Trish. Let's go with what

2622
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:38,480
Mike has and let's come back together as

2623
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,680
a commission here.

2624
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,520
Let's come back together and move

2625
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,080
forward with some money out of fund 47

2626
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:47,400
and

2627
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,040
move this shuttle system forward.

2628
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,360
And constantly I hear commissioners

2629
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,400
talking about how we need to slow down.

2630
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,560
We've got commissioners that

2631
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,840
are going backwards here.

2632
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,080
You vote no on workforce housing, but

2633
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,760
you say you're for workforce housing.

2634
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,120
You say you're for shuttle, but you want

2635
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:11,240
to slow it down and you want to vote no

2636
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,240
now. So, you can't have both ways. You

2637
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,520
either are or you aren't

2638
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,720
for the shuttle system. You are you

2639
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,800
aren't for housing. Your vote shows

2640
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,480
where you are.

2641
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:26,640
Let's move forward. We've got another

2642
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:28,680
fund to pull this out of.

2643
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,040
Let's have a vote.

2644
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,240
Mike.

2645
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:34,200
That's what I want to make clear to

2646
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:35,440
everyone.

2647
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:36,240
Uh

2648
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:39,640
Mary, I understand your uh

2649
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,120
heated your feelings on the subject, but

2650
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:43,840
even with the first motion motion,

2651
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,360
transit room tax TRT mitigation funds

2652
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:49,040
can't be used for COLA.

2653
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,440
But they simply can't. They have

2654
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:51,800
restrictions on

2655
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,720
fund 47 has restrictions on them.

2656
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,000
But uh fund 47 restricts

2657
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,080
I'm going to need that last one again,

2658
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,840
Gabe. Uh

2659
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,040
trails,

2660
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,360
shuttle system, transit. And transit.

2661
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:06,320
They're all restricted funds. We can't

2662
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,000
pay a COLA out of those. I want to give

2663
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,280
our uh employees a raise, too.

2664
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,280
It's not going to happen out of that

2665
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,160
fund.

2666
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,400
It shouldn't happen per state statute

2667
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,280
that out of that fund.

2668
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,640
So, I understand the heated discussion

2669
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:25,480
from many up here. But we have 1.3

2670
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:28,160
give or take million dollars in a fund

2671
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,400
restricted to shuttle.

2672
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,470
Go ahead and use it.

2673
01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:35,560
Okay, I remember Trisha's to Trisha's

2674
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,000
saying gaslighting me that I'm not

2675
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,240
calling other people out because I don't

2676
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:40,200
think there's been anyone else who's

2677
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:41,680
spoken out of turn tonight, but we can

2678
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,920
go back and look at the tape. Um

2679
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:45,200
and then

2680
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,760
I also want to bring out the fact that

2681
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,120
if another person, say Jacques, brought

2682
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:52,920
up the shuttle system, then it'd

2683
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:54,760
probably be a a slam dunk. He'd support

2684
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:55,960
it. But I feel like it's because it's

2685
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,000
Brian and that it's not. Another thing

2686
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,000
is that when I was looking at the

2687
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,160
revenue and the expenditures in '21

2688
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,440
through '24 before I became a

2689
01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:06,520
commissioner, you know, the revenues

2690
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,560
were down, but the expenditures were up

2691
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,840
year over year. So, we've been running

2692
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,480
this county negative in a really long

2693
01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:16,040
for a really long time. Um it's not like

2694
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,120
it's a brand new thing. And if we'd been

2695
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:19,320
getting that two to three million

2696
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,200
dollars from the visitors in the last

2697
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,360
four years, we'd be up

2698
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,560
additional eight to 12 million dollars

2699
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:31,440
in tax revenue. So, anyways, that's my last comment. I'm going to let

2700
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:32,720
Brian talk and then I'm going to call

2701
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,640
for a vote.

2702
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,400
Yeah, thanks.

2703
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,280
The reason that we're up right now is

2704
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,520
cuz we invested in tourism.

2705
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,880
Melody, you you you asked you asked some

2706
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:45,280
of the other commissioners, do you

2707
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,200
support tourism? And we received a

2708
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:48,880
double negative. Well, I don't not

2709
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,160
support tourism. And I think everybody

2710
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,040
kind of felt comfortable. I mean, our

2711
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,880
actions showed that we support tourism.

2712
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:57,800
You know, we started right off on day

2713
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,520
one coming in here and raising our

2714
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,840
advertising budget, having a welcoming

2715
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,800
message.

2716
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,440
Everybody said the sky was going to fall

2717
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:07,440
the second that we did that. We started

2718
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:09,920
opening up access to bike trails. You

2719
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:14,480
were against access restricting to our parks. Once again, every time

2720
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,320
that happened, everyone said the sky is

2721
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,200
going to fall. And here we are today,

2722
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,280
right? We're in the black, we have have

2723
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,120
bit of money, and we're saying, guys,

2724
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:23,600
let's keep investing in our

2725
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,840
infrastructure, right? Let's make sure

2726
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,680
that we can have those funds available

2727
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,840
so that we can have COLAs. Let's make

2728
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,560
sure that the families here in Grant

2729
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,480
County can actually be able to put food

2730
01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:35,040
on the table cuz there's enough of work

2731
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,800
moving through. I I just don't get where

2732
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,960
there's the hang-up on that portion.

2733
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,000
Now, getting back on on track right

2734
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,520
here, I I really think that the best

2735
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:46,720
place we could pull the funds from would

2736
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,240
have been for mitigation. Um I look at

2737
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,720
it, we have those as you the most

2738
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,280
restricted funds that we could have

2739
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,480
right there. Um and it makes sense to me

2740
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,800
to pull them from mitigation.

2741
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,160
Fund 47, this whole thing, I mean, I I

2742
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:00,800
can tell you that I'm that I'm super

2743
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,440
frustrated um on this. You know, we

2744
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:05,200
went, you know, over the last couple

2745
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:06,840
commission meetings and have been trying

2746
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:08,640
to find money for the Spanish Valley

2747
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,840
Pathway, and I asked for all funds that

2748
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,040
we could be used to be identified, and

2749
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:14,560
they weren't brought forth to the table.

2750
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,920
So, I don't know where or how we're

2751
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,720
hiding money from this commission, but

2752
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:20,080
I'm going to tell you I'm going to find

2753
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,600
out, and I'm going to investigate it,

2754
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,240
and there will be some consequences for

2755
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:24,600
that.

2756
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:28,200
Unacceptable. Right? Unacceptable. Um I

2757
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,920
have no problem pulling from fund 47,

2758
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:32,360
but I'm telling you I think that it

2759
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,600
would be it would be better to use the

2760
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,560
money that is more restricted,

2761
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,560
and and it's appropriate. It's listed in

2762
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,240
the legislation. Either which way we

2763
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:43,880
want to go, right? The legislation says

2764
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,800
that we can use it uh

2765
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:46,840
under

2766
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,720
2B, right? I'm sorry, a 3B, or it also

2767
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,000
says it right here under the uh optional

2768
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,360
sales tax that we can use it for a

2769
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:57,160
system for public transit. Um

2770
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,080
I don't know. I mean, I

2771
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,040
Yeah, I mean, I'm a little bit torn on

2772
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,040
pulling it out of this this fund, but if

2773
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,200
that's if that's the way that we're

2774
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:05,840
going to go because people don't think

2775
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,520
that we're going to have the um

2776
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,200
the the TRT, and then then let's go that

2777
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,240
way. You know, Zach, do you want to

2778
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,400
Zach, go ahead.

2779
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,280
Uh I'm I'm not going to vote for it. So,

2780
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:21,240
it I I It's going to pass. I think it's

2781
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:22,800
up to you guys to decide which fund it's

2782
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,485
going to come from. Okay.

2783
01:49:24,485 --> 01:49:25,560
>> [clears throat]

2784
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:26,600
>> Okay, so we're going to go ahead and

2785
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,360
call for a vote on the substitute motion

2786
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,120
that Mike put forth to put that up to

2787
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:36,230
pay that out of 147. All in favor?

2788
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:37,920
And all opposed?

2789
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,440
Nay.

2790
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:40,840
Okay, so that fails. So, we're going to

2791
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:42,840
go back to the original motion, which

2792
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,120
was the motion that Bill put forward,

2793
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:46,240
and

2794
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,120
that was to pay that out of TRT. So, all

2795
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:51,390
those in favor?

2796
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,320
And those opposed?

2797
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:54,520
Nay.

2798
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:59,080
Okay, so that passes 4-3 with

2799
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,480
um, Hadine, Hadler, and Begay in

2800
01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:03,320
opposition.

2801
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:04,760
All right, and then we'll move on to

2802
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,160
number four, which is drought

2803
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,560
declaration for the emergency management

2804
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:15,510
director Kinkade.

2805
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,720
We have a follow-up after subjects.

2806
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,280
conversation with Mike. I did. We should

2807
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,126
discuss the alley road. Sorry.

2808
01:50:22,126 --> 01:50:23,200
>> [laughter]

2809
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,040
>> Hey. You're like more of a bad news

2810
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,230
bear.

2811
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,360
Drought declaration.

2812
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,240
It's not a good talk.

2813
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,000
Hey, good evening.

2814
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,720
Uh, Commissioner Hadler, you mentioned

2815
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,080
it for the ski season.

2816
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,560
That is correct. Um, it's not a secret

2817
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,040
that we were pretty light on snowfall,

2818
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,800
and then we had a very, very warm

2819
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,840
spring, which those two things in

2820
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:52,360
conjunction have deepened drought

2821
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,120
conditions across the county.

2822
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,000
Um, I put this in the background of this

2823
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,880
agenda item, but I reached out to our

2824
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:01,760
partners at the National Weather Service

2825
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,000
in Grand Junction for just some

2826
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,920
background on what things look like in

2827
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:08,600
this county right now.

2828
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,520
Um, some of the things that they sent

2829
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,920
back, snow tell set sites across the

2830
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:16,320
West Elks reached wet record low snow

2831
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:18,760
water equivalent by March 11th

2832
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:20,920
and melted out completely before we

2833
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:22,760
normally reach our median peak snow

2834
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:23,800
water.

2835
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,320
So, those had completely gone even

2836
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,280
before we're normally at our our max.

2837
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,520
Um US drought monitor degraded one to

2838
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:34,720
three categories across the county since

2839
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:36,720
March 3rd and all of the counties

2840
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:38,880
currently in D3, which is extreme

2841
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,040
drought.

2842
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,440
Water supply forecast along the Colorado

2843
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:46,040
and Dolores Rivers are less than 30% of

2844
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:47,440
average.

2845
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:50,360
March 2026 was the fifth driest March on

2846
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:54,680
record over 132 years of record keeping.

2847
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,280
And the evaporative demand drought

2848
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:58,320
index, which is a measure of plant

2849
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,160
atmospheric thirst, has been 100% dry

2850
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:04,120
over the county for the last month.

2851
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:05,680
So, kind of taking all of those

2852
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:07,200
together,

2853
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:10,480
um I put together a declaration for the

2854
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:13,280
existence of a drought emergency within

2855
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:14,760
Grand County's jurisdictional

2856
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:16,160
boundaries.

2857
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:18,800
Um reason being

2858
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,880
the drought has had an impact across

2859
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,800
multiple operations through the county

2860
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,800
that are listed in the declaration, but

2861
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,440
most notably with producers. So, that

2862
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,400
would be our farmers and ranchers.

2863
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,680
Having an active declaration opens up

2864
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:33,720
individual assistance opportunities for

2865
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,160
those people.

2866
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,720
Um one example would be like emergency

2867
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:41,750
relief and emergency food programs.

2868
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,240
Yeah, that's all that I've got. Mr.

2869
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,040
Winfield?

2870
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,800
Well, um I want to add just a few

2871
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,320
comments and then I'm going to make the

2872
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,840
motion to approve this, but um this

2873
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,400
there's state and federal officials both

2874
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:55,440
are weighing in on this and recommending

2875
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:57,680
this with the governor saying that

2876
01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:58,520
there's

2877
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,760
an executive order most likely going to

2878
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:02,800
come out about this.

2879
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:04,640
I do believe that San

2880
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:07,080
Juan County, Iron County, and maybe one

2881
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,520
more of the already also Uinta County, I

2882
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,920
believe done it drought declaration.

2883
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,360
I know that

2884
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:15,320
it's

2885
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,360
we're tracking about half the normal

2886
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,440
water and even though it feels a little

2887
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,880
bit funny asking for a drought

2888
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:24,960
declaration after it snowed yesterday.

2889
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,480
Um which I'm very thankful for and that

2890
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:30,400
rain that we got it was a long slow hard

2891
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,600
not hard long slow

2892
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,040
rainfall that soaked in for us. I think

2893
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,800
that was extremely beneficial to us, but

2894
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,360
I will make the motion to support this.

2895
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,440
I move to approve the declaration of the

2896
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:46,080
existence of a drought

2897
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,760
emergency.

2898
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,640
Okay, we have a second by Mike. Thank

2899
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:53,000
you. Any more discussion? Brent?

2900
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,760
Yeah, can you just go over the the

2901
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:56,600
difference real quick between the state

2902
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,240
declaration and the county doing the

2903
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,080
declaration? I think that it has to do

2904
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,920
with the time of the declaration. Is

2905
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,520
that correct?

2906
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,120
Yeah, so if you look at this declaration

2907
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,600
it is

2908
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:14,160
retroactively taking effect April 1st

2909
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,720
due to the fact that conditions

2910
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,520
deteriorated so much in March.

2911
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,840
Um which means that producers

2912
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,160
if they had costs that they incurred

2913
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:25,960
that they could get relief for up to

2914
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,560
April 1st, they would qualify.

2915
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,040
They would be covered under a state

2916
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,280
declaration, but where if we didn't have

2917
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:33,760
a county declaration it would be the

2918
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:35,720
effective date of the state one.

2919
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:37,320
So, I think

2920
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,040
and and maybe Trish can help me answer

2921
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:39,800
this.

2922
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:41,480
The last meeting that we were at over

2923
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:44,320
this it was that the state declaration

2924
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,040
is shorter than the county declaration.

2925
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,520
Is that correct? I believe that was one

2926
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,960
of the big benefits of having a county

2927
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:53,680
declaration. Is that

2928
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,800
declaration lasted longer than the

2929
01:54:55,800 --> 01:55:00,760
state's declaration? And Yeah, sorry. I really is

2930
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,880
we re-evaluate as conditions change and

2931
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,520
then we separate when we're out of it.

2932
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,080
And it was Emery County bill that was

2933
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:08,880
the other

2934
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:13,190
Um, yeah.

2935
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,920
Okay, any other questions or comments?

2936
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,160
No.

2937
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:18,840
Go ahead and call for a vote. So, all

2938
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:20,800
those in favor of passing the drought

2939
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,280
declaration.

2940
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:23,400
I.

2941
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,800
Thank you, Mary. That's 7-0. That passes

2942
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:27,960
unanimously. Thanks, KC. Thank you. Can

2943
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:30,120
I ask a question before I go? Yeah. I

2944
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,280
got a little lost during the consent

2945
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:35,120
agenda. The cooperative wildfire system,

2946
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,080
is that future meeting or is that later

2947
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,360
in this meeting? It's going to be a

2948
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,120
future meeting. Um, Stephen wanted to

2949
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:44,440
have time to respond to that. Thank you.

2950
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:45,760
Yeah, so future meeting, probably next

2951
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:49,030
meeting. Thank you.

2952
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:50,600
All right, so now we're moving on to

2953
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:52,320
number five, which is the Moab office of

2954
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:53,880
tourism summer campaign budget

2955
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,120
recommendations. Back to you.

2956
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,920
Yeah, so we've had uh um meetings with

2957
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:01,040
Madden

2958
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,120
and uh um to boost summer visitation.

2959
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:07,080
They're proposing a $236

2960
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:09,800
or I'm sorry, $236,000

2961
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,560
campaign um proposed that a tactical

2962
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,040
budget increase focused on driving

2963
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,480
visitation in July and August of this

2964
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,760
year. One of the office's long-term

2965
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,920
goals is to increase summer visitation

2966
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,840
to lessen the visitation dip we've seen

2967
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,560
in prior years. Uh Madden Media prepared

2968
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:29,640
a summer summer marketing campaign to

2969
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:32,840
encourage a late summer trip to Moab.

2970
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,400
Um, the Moab Tourism Advisory Board

2971
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,640
approved this budget increase during its

2972
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,480
May 12th meeting.

2973
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,800
Um, just a couple of other things um

2974
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,240
that I have from this. Um, Madden did

2975
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,160
not really start uh having ads placed

2976
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:51,480
until about mid-July. Um, so last year

2977
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:56,640
we kind of missed out on that initial uh um summer summer campaign

2978
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:57,720
right there.

2979
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:00,360
Um we've also asked um for a couple of

2980
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:01,560
other small things. I don't know if

2981
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,440
anyone's had a chance to see the Who is

2982
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:07,840
Moab videos. If you haven't, they're really good. Um but that's one

2983
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,040
additional request and we've also had a

2984
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:14,040
um request on to Madden for a uh um

2985
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:16,080
influencer campaign so that we can tell

2986
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,680
stories faster and a little bit more

2987
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,880
accurately to visitors.

2988
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,240
Um and what we don't want to see is we

2989
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:24,200
don't want to see these these one-offs

2990
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:25,680
that we've kind of put up in front of

2991
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,040
them take away from the main advertising

2992
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:30,120
campaigns that we've had. Um I think

2993
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:31,640
that we can all agree that the summer

2994
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,200
visitation is something that we would

2995
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:37,200
like to see get risen up. Um when we

2996
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:40,400
look at places like Zion and Bryce,

2997
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,320
summer visitation is actually one of

2998
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,120
their their biggest seasons still. Um

2999
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:47,280
and so thinking that St. George is, you

3000
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,760
know, having very similar climates, you

3001
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:51,280
know, the summer is one of their biggest

3002
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,800
seasons. Um what Madden is uh proposing

3003
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,280
to do is a conquesting type of campaign

3004
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,680
where we're going after the same type of

3005
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,720
um visitors that Zion is going to be

3006
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:04,680
having. So try to get those visitors

3007
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:06,800
that are already coming to Zion can make

3008
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,160
sure that they come up on up here and uh

3009
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,160
visit Moab as well.

3010
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:12,560
Okay. I can answer questions if you guys

3011
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:13,640
have any.

3012
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,480
But Mike Yeah.

3013
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,400
I approved them within budget.

3014
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,080
Uh

3015
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,200
is this an extra ask or already in

3016
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:22,560
within

3017
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:25,640
>> No, this would be this would be above what's in budget.

3018
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:30,070
>> Got it.

3019
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,960
So pulling from

3020
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,040
advertising paid media? Correct. Yeah.

3021
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:40,840
And then also speaking on that, we are pushing up again on the uh um

3022
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:42,920
on the limit that we can hold inside the

3023
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:48,520
reserves for TRT. So that fund right there actually does need

3024
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:51,880
to be spent. So I think that if we were

3025
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:53,760
to try to find a place to spend some

3026
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,800
advertising funds, advertising in the

3027
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:57,920
summer would be the best bang for our

3028
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,400
buck. And so that's why they've

3029
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:03,040
identified this as a good spend.

3030
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:07,680
Okay. Mike. I'd like to continue on. Uh

3031
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,840
That's So the public knows that is an

3032
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,760
advertising paid media budget. Uh we are

3033
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:15,280
required to keep a certain under balance

3034
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:16,640
uh within that budget. We can't bank

3035
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,760
those funds and they were required uh

3036
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,800
under uh statutory requirement uh that they

3037
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,680
are advertising. They are paid

3038
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,000
advertising media. Right. Uh

3039
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:30,520
and with that I move to approve $236,000

3040
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,280
for the Moab Office of Tourism add-on

3041
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:35,480
summer marketing campaign.

3042
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:36,360
Right.

3043
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:37,600
Second.

3044
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:38,640
Okay.

3045
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:40,200
Any other um

3046
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:43,190
questions, comments?

3047
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:44,160
Okay.

3048
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:46,087
Doug. No, I don't have any.

3049
01:59:46,087 --> 01:59:47,120
>> [laughter]

3050
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:48,440
>> All right. So go ahead and call for a

3051
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:50,200
vote. All in favor of the Moab Office of

3052
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:51,360
Tourism summer campaign budget

3053
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,920
recommendation. I.

3054
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:59,600
Okay, that passes 6-0, 6-1 absent.

3055
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,440
Chris Mr. Nielson.

3056
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,960
So number six, Moab Office of Tourism

3057
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,920
new position proposal.

3058
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:09,800
I'd like to make the motion to postpone

3059
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:12,720
this until the June 2nd meeting.

3060
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,160
Okay. Second.

3061
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:18,280
So the June 2nd after budget details. Is

3062
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:19,800
that why we're pushing it?

3063
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:23,200
No, just for to allow Nick time to come

3064
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:24,280
back.

3065
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:27,680
More information. More information.

3066
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,920
So and then

3067
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,200
All right, Martinez. Do you have a

3068
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:32,560
question, Chuck? No, it's the same thing

3069
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,720
Mike. I was just wondering why.

3070
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:38,720
Or I should say that. All in favor.

3071
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:41,160
That passes six with one absent.

3072
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:42,240
Commissioner

3073
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,520
Oh, sorry, Mary.

3074
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,400
You're good on that one?

3075
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,400
Yeah, I said I. I was just slow on the

3076
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,200
uptake.

3077
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:51,840
All right, thank you.

3078
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,600
Seven is a resolution amending the Grand

3079
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:55,280
County employee handbook. This is with

3080
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,320
our personnel services director Tess

3081
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:00,190
Barger.

3082
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:02,000
I'll say she's outside.

3083
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:06,350
She's been patiently waiting.

3084
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:08,880
All right, good evening commissioners.

3085
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,600
Um, so we brought before you a larger

3086
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:15,000
revised version of the handbook.

3087
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,600
A little over a month ago, probably

3088
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,440
closer to two months this time.

3089
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:20,120
It has been determined that it would be

3090
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:22,080
best for us to have this last little bit

3091
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:24,240
of additional language that

3092
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:27,040
limits was not accounted for in that

3093
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:30,400
revised handbook. Specifically,

3094
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,640
this additional language ensures that

3095
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:33,560
it's

3096
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:37,280
that any resolutions passed is made to

3097
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:40,400
the handbook are effective immediately,

3098
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:42,040
that they will

3099
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:43,880
that they are able to be added to our

3100
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,360
handbook and that services department is

3101
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,120
the determinant department um,

3102
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,640
specifically named to will ensure that

3103
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:53,240
any additional resolutions,

3104
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:54,960
modifications, etc. are updated within

3105
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,790
the handbook.

3106
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:01,000
So, just housekeeping.

3107
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:02,440
I I move to approve the resolution

3108
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:05,200
approving the revised 2026 Grand County

3109
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:07,720
employee handbook.

3110
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:09,640
Motion by Commissioner McCarty, second

3111
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:11,680
by Commissioner Hedler. Any other

3112
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:13,720
discussion?

3113
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:15,120
All right, seeing none, I'll call for a

3114
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:18,790
vote. All in favor?

3115
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:20,120
I.

3116
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:21,720
Thank you, Mary. Passes with one

3117
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:22,640
abstention.

3118
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,520
Six zero with one absent Commissioner

3119
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:28,800
McCandless

3120
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,200
absent. So, we will move on to number

3121
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:33,560
eight. Do you want to do a citizens to

3122
02:02:33,560 --> 02:02:34,480
be heard?

3123
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:37,280
Oh, thank you, Jacques. Sure, let's do a

3124
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:40,800
citizens to be heard. It is 6:03 p.m.

3125
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,120
and we will continue with citizens to be

3126
02:02:44,120 --> 02:02:46,880
heard. Those that were not able to speak

3127
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,040
earlier are welcome to do so later.

3128
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,200
Yes, ma'am. Come up.

3129
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,440
Give us your name.

3130
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:57,520
Name's Chris Davis. I'm a voter here in

3131
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,360
Brown County and I just have one

3132
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,040
question. What happens if the park

3133
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:07,870
doesn't get their 1.5 million dollars?

3134
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:10,720
Anyway. Jared Knight. Jared

3135
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,800
You know, we don't answer questions, but

3136
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,120
the agreement would fail. Huh?

3137
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:19,990
So, the agreement would fail. Okay.

3138
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:22,600
anybody else in the chamber like

3139
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:25,000
come up? Yes, sir. Oh, we've already had

3140
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:26,960
you up once this meeting, sir. Thank

3141
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:28,120
you.

3142
02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:35,750
Um Quinn, do we have anybody online?

3143
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:41,390
Nobody. Anybody else in the chamber?

3144
02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:43,840
All right, we will move forward with

3145
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:45,960
number eight. Jerry, you can take it

3146
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,880
back over. Um we did our 6:00 citizen to

3147
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:50,160
be heard.

3148
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:51,880
Okay.

3149
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:54,880
So, removal of parcels from the 2026 tax

3150
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:57,560
sale. So, Treasurer Chris Chris Huffman

3151
02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:58,720
and

3152
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:01,600
Quick Auditor Ginger Roland.

3153
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:02,920
Is he here or is he hopping online? He's

3154
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:07,990
hopping online.

3155
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,840
Thank you. Can you hear me?

3156
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,990
Yes.

3157
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:15,040
So, it's that time of year again when

3158
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:16,640
parcels that are 5 years delinquent on

3159
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:18,400
their property taxes are eligible for

3160
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,440
tax sale. The tax sale has been

3161
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:23,400
scheduled for the later part of June.

3162
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:26,280
And we this year have seven parcels that

3163
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,600
are still eligible for tax sale. Five of

3164
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:31,440
those parcels have requested to my

3165
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:34,240
office to get a little bit more time to

3166
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:36,400
pay their taxes because they are going

3167
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,160
to have a difficult time

3168
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:41,560
making the deadline. We have in the past

3169
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,480
and many other counties do this as well,

3170
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:44,920
given people a little bit more time to

3171
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:47,080
pay. In this case, removing them from

3172
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:49,560
the tax sale for 2026.

3173
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:51,360
And just to make it clear, interest

3174
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,080
still accrues on their um

3175
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:57,240
delinquent property taxes. And if they

3176
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:59,640
were delinquent and eligible for tax

3177
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:01,400
sale in the prior year, we do not

3178
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:02,600
generally

3179
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:05,440
request that they get a second year

3180
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:06,520
to pay.

3181
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:08,200
And the two parcels that are not on this

3182
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,400
list were eligible for tax sale last

3183
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,320
year and so they will continue to be

3184
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,440
eligible for the tax sale.

3185
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:16,360
But we are requesting, myself and the

3186
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,160
clerk auditor, to remove these five

3187
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:19,480
parcels

3188
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:20,720
to allow the folks a little bit more

3189
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:28,150
time.

3190
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:30,440
I'm sorry. You're okay.

3191
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:32,240
Uh

3192
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:34,760
Thank you guys for working with these

3193
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:35,880
five people trying to get a little more

3194
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:38,400
time on it, but in that, I move to

3195
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,280
approve the removal of parcels from

3196
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,440
the removal of recommended parcels from

3197
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:51,270
the 2026 tax sale as presented.

3198
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:52,237
All right, any more

3199
02:05:52,237 --> 02:05:52,760
>> [clears throat]

3200
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:56,750
>> discussion, questions?

3201
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:57,800
No.

3202
02:05:57,800 --> 02:05:59,120
All in favor of those in favor of

3203
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:00,960
removal of parcels from the 2026 tax

3204
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,320
sale.

3205
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:09,510
I abstain. And does the against?

3206
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:10,800
I'm for it.

3207
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,880
You're for it? Okay.

3208
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,600
7-0, that passes unanimously. Thank you.

3209
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:18,720
Number nine is dark skies reimbursement

3210
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:20,120
program.

3211
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:21,600
Brandon Blacker, code enforcement and

3212
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,000
Commissioner Hadine.

3213
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,600
Brandon online?

3214
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:27,640
No, I'm not there. Oh, hey. Sorry, I

3215
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:28,360
didn't

3216
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:30,200
mean to interrupt you.

3217
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:31,400
I was just going to be "Where's

3218
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:32,720
Brandon?"

3219
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:34,040
Thank you.

3220
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,600
Awesome. Thanks.

3221
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:36,680
Um

3222
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,120
So, basically just kind of a quick

3223
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:40,280
overview with Rocky Mountain Power to

3224
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:42,160
update all the street lights. They all

3225
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,520
reached out and offered all of the uh

3226
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:46,480
residential customers and commercial

3227
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:48,400
customers the opportunity to update

3228
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:50,600
their semi-area lights, which are

3229
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:51,880
basically a street light on private

3230
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:53,160
property

3231
02:06:53,160 --> 02:07:00,230
um for the same cost at $210 a piece.

3232
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:01,960
So, trying to get as many people to sign

3233
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:04,440
on board while it was cheaper like

3234
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:06,440
we started talking and

3235
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:08,120
Trish and I had actually been talking

3236
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:10,520
for a while about starting a like a real

3237
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:12,920
person program as as money was

3238
02:07:12,920 --> 02:07:14,120
available.

3239
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:16,160
Um and with this with this opportunity

3240
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:17,640
we tried to jump on it and see if we get

3241
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:19,760
as many people to sign up to update

3242
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:21,120
their lights.

3243
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:22,280
Um

3244
02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:25,960
just like a rough cost comparison, the

3245
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,760
contract company per hour for in the

3246
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:32,360
lights installed was like $102 roughly.

3247
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:33,480
And Rocky Mountain [clears throat] Power

3248
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:36,040
was 190. So,

3249
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:38,280
just try to get everyone on board um as

3250
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:42,510
many people as as possible to try and uh

3251
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,520
help with the astrotourism.

3252
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:46,160
Just because of I can't remember where

3253
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:47,360
it was at, but there was somewhere that

3254
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,240
said that that's actually a really big

3255
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:52,560
push right now for the tourism industry.

3256
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:53,720
So,

3257
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:56,030
um there's a total

3258
02:07:56,033 --> 02:07:56,040
» [clears throat]

3259
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:58,520
>> So, on the agenda

3260
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:03,160
um the total cost request was six 6,090

3261
02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:05,280
um which would have been a total update

3262
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,680
for 29 lights.

3263
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,960
Currently,

3264
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:11,560
there were eight residential lights that

3265
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:14,360
were updated. Um eight additional lights

3266
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:16,920
if there was an HOA that installed the

3267
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,000
lights was approved.

3268
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:20,440
And three commercial lights have been

3269
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:21,720
updated.

3270
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:24,280
There are three pending residential

3271
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:25,640
lights

3272
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:28,720
and four commercial expanding

3273
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:30,360
um

3274
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:32,680
installation. And then there's one,

3275
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:34,840
maybe two

3276
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:36,640
residential that like are waiting to

3277
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:38,640
hear if if funding is approved before

3278
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:40,200
they sign up for it.

3279
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:42,800
Um [clears throat] and then the last one

3280
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:44,000
was one of the properties that was

3281
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,920
annexed in by the city down kind of like

3282
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:48,200
where the new apartments are going in um

3283
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,400
back by Harrison's old shop.

3284
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:51,480
Um

3285
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:55,870
So he's trying to look at it and uh

3286
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:57,800
take advantage of a of a of a better

3287
02:08:57,800 --> 02:08:59,840
time to buy

3288
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:04,710
upgraded lights. Um

3289
02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:06,640
What questions do you have for me? I

3290
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:09,480
think Bill had has had it first. Um I've

3291
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:12,600
got some questions more possibly for the

3292
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:15,400
commissioner administrator, but

3293
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:17,840
I know that Commissioner Hadean has

3294
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,200
already dipped into the discretionary

3295
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:22,160
fund when she was the one that voted to

3296
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:23,640
reduce it

3297
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:24,880
in

3298
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:27,600
um what maybe November, December of last

3299
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,000
year. So my question would be

3300
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:32,600
considering that the

3301
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:35,240
funds that you requested previously I be

3302
02:09:35,240 --> 02:09:37,840
believe were for the archery center and

3303
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:39,920
you now have a grant for the archery

3304
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:42,280
center, could those discretionary funds

3305
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:43,240
be

3306
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:46,000
paid back so that we can allocate them

3307
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,280
here

3308
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,880
because um I I just can't see

3309
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:53,040
this working out continually dipping

3310
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:56,760
into a fund that you voted to reduce.

3311
02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:57,840
So I'd like I

3312
02:09:57,840 --> 02:09:59,320
kind of like to see if we can't go

3313
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,200
backwards here a little bit and repay

3314
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:04,590
that out of your grant.

3315
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:06,200
Mike, you first, but do you want to pass

3316
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:08,240
it to Trisha she can consent? Answer the

3317
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:10,040
question, I'll be next. I put my hand

3318
02:10:10,040 --> 02:10:10,960
up.

3319
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:11,880
Okay.

3320
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:13,240
Mary, I'll get to you next.

3321
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:14,960
>> whenever you say.

3322
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:16,520
I'll just answer the question then I do

3323
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:18,200
have some comments later.

3324
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:18,920
Um

3325
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:21,960
maybe. Maybe it depends. I mean I I will

3326
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:28,400
state with the archery range, I've already

3327
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:32,600
had an individual do approximately

3328
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:35,080
$17,000 worth of dirt work, which he

3329
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:37,120
also volunteered also donated all the

3330
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:40,280
fuel and the transport of the traco.

3331
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:42,800
I've asked a lot of people.

3332
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:45,640
Um, and so maybe I mean, with the new

3333
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:47,320
budget because we were going to

3334
02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:49,640
basically I had asked another contractor

3335
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:51,480
to do the fencing and we had taken old

3336
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:52,600
high school fencing we were going to

3337
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:57,200
reuse that and he was like, let's just pay fencing. So, it depends

3338
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:59,800
on what that Taylor fencing quote comes

3339
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:02,400
in at or the other quotes. Um, you know,

3340
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:05,040
because we did reduce we did reduce this

3341
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:06,560
the height of the height of the fencing.

3342
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:08,600
So, it's feasible. I mean, right now my

3343
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:11,120
budget is, you know, absorbing all of

3344
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:12,680
that, but it is feasible. But the one

3345
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:15,240
thing that that grant did do

3346
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:17,480
is on the capital projects list there

3347
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:20,360
was an ask of 10 grand for gravel for

3348
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:22,320
the archery range. So, that grant will

3349
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,920
remove that off that list. Um, so

3350
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:26,720
Yeah.

3351
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:28,040
So, I'm I'm feeling pretty good about

3352
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:30,320
the grant. We got a grant from

3353
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,520
outdoor rec to to work on that range.

3354
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:34,840
And so, it will take, you know, again

3355
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:37,640
that off the archery off that list.

3356
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:38,720
And then I'll I'll have some comments

3357
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:39,680
later on.

3358
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:42,240
Okay. So, maybe the the answer is maybe.

3359
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:44,800
Okay. And then Commissioner

3360
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,360
McCurdy and then Commissioner McGowan.

3361
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:48,960
Not to speak disparagingly about people,

3362
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:49,920
but

3363
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:52,360
some people were slow on that ask to

3364
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:54,456
replace their light.

3365
02:11:54,456 --> 02:11:55,360
>> [laughter]

3366
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:58,280
>> Is there any hope for this continued to

3367
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:01,280
continue in the future? Or is this is is

3368
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:03,360
dead in the water? So, I mean, if I I

3369
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,680
thought it was a good trade-off, but not

3370
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:07,680
everyone, including myself,

3371
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:09,560
knew about it in a timely fashion. Yeah,

3372
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:11,240
and we were we were pretty rushed cuz by

3373
02:12:11,240 --> 02:12:12,720
the time we the county was brought on

3374
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:14,640
board, the city had already been working

3375
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,040
with Rocky Mountain Power for a while.

3376
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:17,320
And so, we had kind of like a last

3377
02:12:17,320 --> 02:12:19,346
minute like, "Hey, let's do this too."

3378
02:12:19,346 --> 02:12:19,440
>> [clears throat]

3379
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:20,640
>> Um

3380
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:24,720
Uh so, Cody with County Road jumped in and started on that. Um

3381
02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:27,120
but I talked to Hannah with Rocky

3382
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:29,080
Mountain Power earlier. I guess it was

3383
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,360
last week. Um we're looking at adding

3384
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,520
some shielding to a few lights in town

3385
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:35,360
and possibly adding some at the arena

3386
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:38,240
just due to some complaints for the

3387
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:40,760
community next door. Um and they wanted

3388
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:42,320
that deadline by last week for the

3389
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,480
manufacturer of those shields. Okay. Um

3390
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:47,600
cuz originally they were supposed to

3391
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,360
come down in March for like a second

3392
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:50,400
wave.

3393
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:53,280
So, long story short, yes, we can

3394
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,520
probably still get you hooked up. Okay.

3395
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,640
There there I I have a decent size list.

3396
02:12:57,640 --> 02:12:59,200
There's nothing Yeah. Okay. I don't want

3397
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:00,840
to pay anything extra just because I was

3398
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:03,360
slow. But uh if they're still in a mount

3399
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:06,840
I would like to get in on on. Yeah.

3400
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:08,640
Um Mary's next.

3401
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:12,440
Mary McGinty. Yes. Uh I have a thought

3402
02:13:12,440 --> 02:13:15,000
with uh

3403
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,480
in our uh Trail to Tomorrow and with the

3404
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:21,600
push nationally where uh

3405
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:24,320
we're pushing dark skies and

3406
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,400
astrotourism,

3407
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:29,160
I'm wondering especially now that like

3408
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:30,920
it was stated that we have an

3409
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:33,040
overabundance, we're getting close to

3410
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,040
the max that we can have in saving in

3411
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:36,800
our promotional

3412
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,720
TRT,

3413
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:42,560
I I I wonder if we could pay for these

3414
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:44,200
the sliding

3415
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:46,440
this shading and such through our

3416
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:51,360
promotional TRT with it being a

3417
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,240
push with

3418
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:54,600
uh

3419
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:57,040
you know, in the uh in the Trail to

3420
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:58,560
Tomorrow. They said this would be a

3421
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:00,480
really good way to

3422
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,360
help with especially summer tourism

3423
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,480
because people don't want to be out

3424
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:07,200
during the day, but they would love to

3425
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:08,880
be out, you know, in the night in the

3426
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:11,680
our wonderful evenings in the summer to

3427
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:14,680
look at the stars and gaze at things.

3428
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:17,880
I I think this could be a way to help

3429
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:21,080
offset the cost.

3430
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:23,160
I I think it would probably be Steven

3431
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:26,040
that would maybe have to look into that,

3432
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:28,200
but I would like to consider having it

3433
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:31,520
paid for out of promotional TRT if we

3434
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:35,550
can.

3435
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:36,680
Okay.

3436
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:38,240
And I have a couple questions on this.

3437
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:40,120
So, this is

3438
02:14:40,120 --> 02:14:42,200
a light that's already on someone's

3439
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:43,480
proper private property, but it's

3440
02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:44,840
basically a street light. So, it's not

3441
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:47,520
like their own like someone's homes.

3442
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,920
Correct. Yeah, so it's basically Yeah,

3443
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,360
basically So, the parking

3444
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:53,320
lot in the HOA is probably like their

3445
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:54,840
parking area.

3446
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:57,920
Um so, the HOA was down Pump Creek

3447
02:14:57,920 --> 02:14:59,480
Drive, which is a private drive still

3448
02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:02,560
maintained by the HOA. And so, they had

3449
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:04,760
a little bit different expense just

3450
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:06,480
because they needed to repair and update

3451
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:09,400
some of the the post themselves. And so,

3452
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:12,000
um for the most part, they're all

3453
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:13,720
basically the exact same that the the

3454
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:15,760
street lights got installed. Or if

3455
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,120
you're out at the arena, like they just

3456
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:19,120
updated the the tall lights on the north

3457
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:21,000
end of the parking lot as well.

3458
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:22,400
Um but yeah, these lights were

3459
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:25,360
pre-existing. They were the uh I can't

3460
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:26,840
remember the name of them, but you can

3461
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:28,520
see them from all the way across the

3462
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:29,720
valley.

3463
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:30,400
Um

3464
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:32,200
so, this kind of gets rid of that and

3465
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:33,320
just shines it straight down. So,

3466
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:35,040
there's no like side light. If you go

3467
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:36,400
above the golf course, there's not as

3468
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,240
much light as you look out across the

3469
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:40,640
valley. So, the private properties got

3470
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:43,160
this one-time low cost of only $210, but

3471
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:44,960
then we're going to you're ask we're

3472
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:46,920
asking the kind of inverse of those

3473
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:48,680
individual people for the cost of the

3474
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:49,800
light.

3475
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:52,200
Okay, just wanted to make was

3476
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:54,040
I read it a few times. I just wanted to

3477
02:15:54,040 --> 02:15:56,160
double-check exactly what was happening.

3478
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:57,080
So,

3479
02:15:57,080 --> 02:15:59,600
Um all right. And I think that uh Trish

3480
02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:03,120
is next. Okay, that's her. Um

3481
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:04,920
You have it. So, I'm not sure question.

3482
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:06,640
Sorry.

3483
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:08,880
Oh, Trish is one. Okay.

3484
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:11,120
Um you know, we've Brandon and I've been

3485
02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:12,880
talking about dark skies and code

3486
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:14,960
compliance as far as coming into

3487
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:17,360
compliance for a long time.

3488
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:18,160
Um

3489
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:20,520
this is one little kind of move in that

3490
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:22,800
direction and I appreciate Brandon for

3491
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:24,120
working on this with Rocky Mountain

3492
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:26,240
Power. I think it's a small ask, but it

3493
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:28,880
is what commission discretionary is for

3494
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:30,800
or for these little kind of one-offs

3495
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:32,599
that we didn't really foresee in the

3496
02:16:32,599 --> 02:16:35,920
budget. You're right, I did ask for the

3497
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:38,000
commission discretionary budget to be

3498
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:39,639
diminished because

3499
02:16:39,639 --> 02:16:42,440
we we were trying to take it up quite a

3500
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:44,000
bit. So, I asked that it just be pulled

3501
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:46,440
back to kind of the status quo. I've

3502
02:16:46,440 --> 02:16:49,120
asked for two very small asks this year

3503
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:52,360
and I feel that both of them are for

3504
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:53,120
community [clears throat]

3505
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,200
and for people in the community. One is

3506
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:56,840
for an archery range for our community.

3507
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,360
We may be able to use the range

3508
02:16:58,360 --> 02:16:59,960
hopefully for events, too, which would

3509
02:16:59,960 --> 02:17:01,519
be very cool.

3510
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:03,360
Um but it's really for this community

3511
02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:06,120
and this is just to feasibly, if we

3512
02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:09,360
don't pass it, we won't be reimbursing.

3513
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:11,719
But this is I think a nice way to get

3514
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:13,920
people compliant and to reimburse them.

3515
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:16,760
It's a little little ask. These are you

3516
02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:18,040
know, these are community asks that are

3517
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:19,840
very small.

3518
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:21,000
Brandon, did you have your hand up? I

3519
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:22,719
thought I saw it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, just

3520
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,760
wanted to go. So, just just looking over

3521
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:26,920
that right there uh um going to to

3522
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,679
Mary's comment right there. Um there's

3523
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:31,800
the 3A, which is the

3524
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:34,960
loading, right? And then there's the 3B.

3525
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:37,360
Um when you look at the 3B right there,

3526
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:39,719
it is furnishing, maintaining, or

3527
02:17:39,719 --> 02:17:41,400
operating. And I think that this would

3528
02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:44,320
probably then fall under the 3B category

3529
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:45,440
right there. That would be the

3530
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:47,280
separation of those two.

3531
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:49,400
Um you know, as far as dark sky tourism

3532
02:17:49,400 --> 02:17:53,320
goes, I think you know that there's a huge there is there there is a

3533
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:55,519
big push from the state on that and I

3534
02:17:55,519 --> 02:17:56,800
think that it's you know, something that

3535
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:59,000
we could definitely talk about with the

3536
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:01,400
tourism board. Um you know, in town, if

3537
02:18:01,400 --> 02:18:02,639
this is something that you guys wanted

3538
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:04,559
to push as a campaign.

3539
02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:06,040
Um, you know, it might even be something

3540
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:07,559
that you'd like to bring up in the near

3541
02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:09,200
future as they're pushing that summer

3542
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:11,160
campaign right there to see if you can't

3543
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:13,120
get some more astrotourism involved in

3544
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:15,800
it. I think that's a great idea. Um,

3545
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:17,679
but as far as using these funds, I I

3546
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:18,800
think that we would definitely be

3547
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:20,519
stepping over that line. That's just my

3548
02:18:20,519 --> 02:18:23,440
opinion on it. Um, but yeah, I mean, I'm

3549
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:25,400
supportive of it.

3550
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:27,679
Okay, Commissioner Winfield. Mike, have

3551
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:30,360
you spoke yet? I'd be number two for Go

3552
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:32,160
ahead and sign in before you.

3553
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:35,519
I would move to approve the $6,090

3554
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:38,320
from crew commission discretionary for

3555
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:41,000
reimbursement for life replacement

3556
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:44,280
reimbursement with the caveat that if it

3557
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:47,559
can re be repaid out of the artery grant

3558
02:18:47,559 --> 02:18:51,390
that it be done so.

3559
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:53,200
Mike, could you second that?

3560
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:56,160
Uh, TRT promotional if it could come out

3561
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:57,280
of that.

3562
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,400
Could you add that to your so it could

3563
02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:03,390
come out of those three funds?

3564
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:05,880
Um, I'd rather not. I think Brian was

3565
02:19:05,880 --> 02:19:08,599
talking about a campaign that they would

3566
02:19:08,599 --> 02:19:11,360
take to the team or to or to the tourism

3567
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:14,719
board, Mary, not this specific item.

3568
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:18,000
Was the way I understood it.

3569
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:22,000
Well, I'm just wondering if it could. I would like to get Steve to look into

3570
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,080
it cuz uh, it makes sense to me since

3571
02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:26,519
it's

3572
02:19:26,519 --> 02:19:30,240
a push by the state and also a push by

3573
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:31,800
it was mentioned in the trail to

3574
02:19:31,800 --> 02:19:34,470
tomorrow.

3575
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:36,440
Well, we can always move funds around in

3576
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:39,200
our budget at the end of the year if

3577
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:40,519
David and Stephen decide if it's in

3578
02:19:40,519 --> 02:19:42,080
that, but I think currently we're going

3579
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,240
to stick with where it's being asked to

3580
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,679
be pulled out of. Um, Mike, are you

3581
02:19:46,679 --> 02:19:48,200
seconding? I'll second but I still

3582
02:19:48,200 --> 02:19:49,840
>> have a comment. Okay. Mary, I know you

3583
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:51,120
have your hand up and I'll get to your

3584
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:52,600
comment after we get around cuz

3585
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:55,240
everybody else did speak first.

3586
02:19:55,240 --> 02:19:57,120
I'm sorry. I forgot to lower it. I

3587
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:58,640
apologize.

3588
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:00,760
Uh Mike, go ahead. And number two,

3589
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:02,440
uh

3590
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:04,160
me and another guy in a room that really

3591
02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:06,440
know that dark sky tourism is is a

3592
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:07,720
moment.

3593
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:10,560
Uh we

3594
02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:12,720
should get with tourism and push a

3595
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:16,040
campaign. I think it would be huge. Uh

3596
02:20:16,040 --> 02:20:17,880
with the current push for

3597
02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:19,040
uh

3598
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,400
astro tourism. I I know that term till

3599
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:22,520
today.

3600
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:25,320
Uh but uh

3601
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:27,400
I I'll second Bill's motion in the fact

3602
02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:29,160
that uh it's good that we got some

3603
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:31,440
people on. I'd like a better campaign

3604
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:33,920
out next time so more community members

3605
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:38,040
can take part in this also. Uh

3606
02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:40,320
I I'm not saying that I'm happy that

3607
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:43,400
some did. I want I want more. If we're

3608
02:20:43,400 --> 02:20:45,000
going to push uh different points of

3609
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:47,400
tourism including this, I we need to let

3610
02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:50,640
everyone know that it's going on.

3611
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:52,640
And we can use our county Facebook page

3612
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:54,960
to do so.

3613
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:57,960
I'm in. Um so I had it still did anybody

3614
02:20:57,960 --> 02:20:59,440
else want to Mary's hand I thought was

3615
02:20:59,440 --> 02:21:02,280
up. But No. So we are going to go ahead

3616
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:04,280
and call for a vote. Those in favor of

3617
02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:06,480
the dark sky reimbursement program.

3618
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:08,680
Those in favor? I.

3619
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:09,120
Okay.

3620
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:12,160
>> I. That was 7-0. Thank you. Brandon,

3621
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:13,640
thanks for coming and sorry I didn't see

3622
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:15,680
you. No worries. And then I was just

3623
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,520
going to just kind of do a quick little

3624
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:19,840
update. Um I'm planning on coming back

3625
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:20,880
in a little while. I know it's been a

3626
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:21,920
while since I've been here and kind of

3627
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:24,320
giving an update.

3628
02:21:24,320 --> 02:21:25,600
But just kind of a couple things that

3629
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,000
I'm working on.

3630
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:29,840
Uh starting to implement the light

3631
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:32,360
inspections with new business licenses.

3632
02:21:32,360 --> 02:21:33,800
Um just because that's been a

3633
02:21:33,800 --> 02:21:35,720
requirement since the law passed in

3634
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:38,480
2019. Um so I'm starting on that. I've

3635
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:40,040
been working with with Emily at the

3636
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:42,800
clerk's office. Um

3637
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:45,280
So that's in progress. The next is going

3638
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:46,640
to be building permits cuz that's

3639
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:48,280
another one and then conditional use

3640
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:50,360
permits as well. Um

3641
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:52,640
So just some some the I'm working on and

3642
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:55,280
moving forward. Um

3643
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:59,600
the short-term rental tracking software,

3644
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:03,120
we just had the training with um Gov OS,

3645
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:05,160
which has changed to Numa.

3646
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:08,160
Um and so, like I'm actually like in the

3647
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,120
process of getting the data That's

3648
02:22:10,120 --> 02:22:10,280
great.

3649
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:12,280
>> compiled to send to them. They started

3650
02:22:12,280 --> 02:22:14,120
tracking about mid-April, so there's not

3651
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:15,800
much data for this year just because

3652
02:22:15,800 --> 02:22:17,720
they were trying to get this program up

3653
02:22:17,720 --> 02:22:19,400
and running.

3654
02:22:19,400 --> 02:22:21,520
That's great. Um

3655
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:23,400
and then we still have access to um

3656
02:22:23,400 --> 02:22:25,400
through the state,

3657
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:27,800
but it's restricted. It shows the whole

3658
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:29,480
state, so I can't search just Grand

3659
02:22:29,480 --> 02:22:30,560
County.

3660
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:31,840
Um

3661
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:33,920
so I'm I've I've reached out and asking

3662
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:35,440
for like clarification what it would

3663
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:37,640
take for that. Um

3664
02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:38,920
Numa?

3665
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:40,880
What is their acronym or what's their

3666
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:42,880
Oh, that's just their name. N U M O.

3667
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:45,480
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Numa.

3668
02:22:45,480 --> 02:22:47,960
Um

3669
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:48,880
Thank you.

3670
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:50,840
Yeah, and so So, that's still work in

3671
02:22:50,840 --> 02:22:52,760
progress. Um I mean, just kind of a

3672
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:54,840
heads-up like there's been an increase

3673
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,800
in cases regarding shipping containers.

3674
02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:00,080
Um so, I'm reaching out to different

3675
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:01,320
agencies across the state getting

3676
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:03,160
information from them on what their

3677
02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:06,040
rules are regarding shipping containers.

3678
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:07,240
Um

3679
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:09,840
recently clarified with Mr. Stocks that,

3680
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:11,200
you know, they are

3681
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:12,600
considered buildings and can't be in the

3682
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:14,280
setback.

3683
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:16,800
Looking to add verbage to our our land

3684
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:18,240
use code that

3685
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:22,160
clearly states like where and how they can be used.

3686
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:23,840
Um looking [clears throat] at color, you

3687
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:26,400
know, max number of shipping containers,

3688
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:28,080
uh restricted on the front side of the

3689
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:29,360
property, just different things like

3690
02:23:29,360 --> 02:23:30,960
that moving forward just for the like

3691
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:32,480
the quality of life

3692
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:33,720
for it, so.

3693
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:37,120
Um it's kind of a rough outline.

3694
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:38,720
Still doing the the other code

3695
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:40,240
enforcement cases as well. I've just got

3696
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:43,480
a like a mix of those. Um

3697
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:44,520
so.

3698
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:46,000
Okay. I think Commissioner Martinez has

3699
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:47,440
another question. Thanks.

3700
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:49,760
Yeah, question comment. Um when you go

3701
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:51,400
through that Gov OS, did you guys Were

3702
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:55,520
you guys aware of 10 8 8 5 that passed

3703
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,440
in 2025?

3704
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:59,880
No. Okay. Well, maybe we we can have a

3705
02:23:59,880 --> 02:24:01,720
quick chat about that. So, there was a

3706
02:24:01,720 --> 02:24:05,000
new law that passed um in 2025 that

3707
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:07,840
helped with the um

3708
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:10,040
well, the uh

3709
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:12,720
looking after folks that are that are

3710
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:16,240
advertising on other websites. So,

3711
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:18,160
rather than just using the Gov OS, you

3712
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:19,760
can actually now go ahead and look on

3713
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:23,520
Airbnb or VRBO or Rent-A-Tent or any of

3714
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,480
those types of things. And before that

3715
02:24:25,480 --> 02:24:28,320
wasn't That wasn't enough to actually

3716
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:30,520
the citation, but that has changed now

3717
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:32,400
so that you can go ahead and and do the

3718
02:24:32,400 --> 02:24:34,160
citations. We get together and you can

3719
02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:35,840
look at that or you can look at that.

3720
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:41,440
And so, that was 10 8 is Yes, Kia. 10 8 5. Okay.

3721
02:24:41,440 --> 02:24:43,320
And that was hunting them down via their

3722
02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:44,360
listing. I mean

3723
02:24:44,360 --> 02:24:45,320
>> Yeah, I thought we had that on a

3724
02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:46,920
commission meeting where we all were

3725
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:48,720
agreeing that that was something that we

3726
02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:50,280
wanted to go ahead and not just have it

3727
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:51,680
by um

3728
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:54,520
complaints, but be able to you know,

3729
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:56,560
proactively Yeah. Yeah, so that is one

3730
02:24:56,560 --> 02:24:59,280
that's proactively enforced. Um

3731
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:00,960
the band just wasn't there for the the

3732
02:25:00,960 --> 02:25:02,200
Gov OS

3733
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:06,560
as they started tracking me today.

3734
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:08,720
The training was last week. And so, I

3735
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:10,240
just hadn't had the experience out

3736
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:11,400
there. And then

3737
02:25:11,400 --> 02:25:13,480
for the the Granicus software that's

3738
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:14,840
provided by the state, like it's

3739
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:16,800
literally one like I have to zoom in on

3740
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:18,360
a map and just like scroll and click on

3741
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:20,360
a little button and see instead of like

3742
02:25:20,360 --> 02:25:22,040
being able to compare like submit a list

3743
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:23,440
of business licenses and

3744
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:25,200
cross-references with with these

3745
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:27,200
listings type of a thing.

3746
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:29,400
Um so, just

3747
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:31,920
a tedious way to work um just kind of

3748
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,560
while the other platform was down. So,

3749
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:35,160
um

3750
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:36,880
with both of those up and running, then

3751
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:38,280
you know, we're going to hit the hammer

3752
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:40,240
hard and and see if we can get like a a

3753
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:42,080
comparison of apples to apples instead

3754
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:45,160
of like the state

3755
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:47,160
site being the entire state that we have

3756
02:25:47,160 --> 02:25:49,160
to sort through, um, see what it would

3757
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:50,400
cost

3758
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:53,920
to adjust just to Grant County. Um,

3759
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:55,800
and look at that. And so, that way we

3760
02:25:55,800 --> 02:25:59,280
can, you know, if we can save money by piggybacking off the state and the

3761
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:00,520
software that they're using, then I

3762
02:26:00,520 --> 02:26:03,840
think that'd be a a viable option. So.

3763
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:06,160
Okay.

3764
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:13,110
Neither.

3765
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:15,480
All right, number 10 is our STAR Grant

3766
02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:32,510
ABC Tavern.

3767
02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:34,480
All right, so I included a staff report

3768
02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:35,560
in here, so I'm just going to kind of

3769
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:37,920
give you guys an overview on what has

3770
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:41,160
happened with this particular, um, grant

3771
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:43,480
applicant. And Stana is here, she will

3772
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:46,520
come up to speak after I'm finished. Um,

3773
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:50,640
so in 2022, we had the STAR Grant, um,

3774
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:53,480
program. Many people applied.

3775
02:26:53,480 --> 02:26:55,440
This ABC Tavern was one of them. They

3776
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:58,480
were awarded $100,000, um,

3777
02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:01,600
to open a cafe and some other things.

3778
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:05,160
Um, there has been work done on since

3779
02:27:05,160 --> 02:27:07,400
then, there's been work done. Um, it's

3780
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:11,200
sort of stalled out in a

3781
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:13,440
in the site plan process with within

3782
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:16,360
planning. Um, and so, we've had a few

3783
02:27:16,360 --> 02:27:17,720
meetings with different members of the

3784
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:20,640
commission and applicant and, um,

3785
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:22,960
planning and zoning. And we thought that

3786
02:27:22,960 --> 02:27:26,040
it would probably best to just put it in

3787
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:28,000
front of you guys and let you decide how

3788
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:30,040
we should move forward. Whether we

3789
02:27:30,040 --> 02:27:31,760
should,

3790
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:34,080
um, recall the grant, ask for the money

3791
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:35,200
back,

3792
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:38,880
um, or extend sort of the deadline for

3793
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:41,960
um, forward movement on this. Um,

3794
02:27:41,960 --> 02:27:45,120
the applicant has has provided a lot of

3795
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:48,320
information to the county on things that

3796
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:50,120
have been done.

3797
02:27:50,120 --> 02:27:52,600
Um, but there's a disconnect on things

3798
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:54,280
that actually that the county needs to

3799
02:27:54,280 --> 02:27:56,200
move forward. And that is sort of where

3800
02:27:56,200 --> 02:27:59,040
we've um, come to this impasse is we

3801
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,680
need a site plan. We need to move

3802
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:04,960
forward with um, the process in planning

3803
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,520
and zoning to get the next steps and

3804
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:09,720
it's just sort of stalled out for quite

3805
02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:11,800
some time. So, that's why it's in front

3806
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:12,760
of you.

3807
02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:14,120
Um, did you guys have any specific

3808
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:16,680
questions for me before I invite Al come

3809
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:18,360
up and then I think Steven has a couple

3810
02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:21,950
things to say as well.

3811
02:28:21,960 --> 02:28:23,320
Go ahead, Steven. I don't think I don't

3812
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:25,320
see any questions from us.

3813
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:27,320
And I can address this at the end. So,

3814
02:28:27,320 --> 02:28:32,710
after Ms. Carey presents.

3815
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:33,760
And then do you want to come up and

3816
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:41,350
speak? Sure.

3817
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:43,360
So, I'd never written a grant before, so

3818
02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:45,440
it was scary and exciting and I was

3819
02:28:45,440 --> 02:28:47,240
really pleased to

3820
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:51,200
get awarded grant. Um, first thing was

3821
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:53,160
is they said that I would not receive

3822
02:28:53,160 --> 02:28:56,080
any funds until my water was turned on.

3823
02:28:56,080 --> 02:28:59,360
And so, that took about a year. Uh,

3824
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:01,400
right then there. Although, I was

3825
02:29:01,400 --> 02:29:03,160
continuously

3826
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:05,320
doing what I had written on grant. And

3827
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:07,560
there were three things. Basically was

3828
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:10,200
to get rid of the uh, update the

3829
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:13,120
inventory or the product or the the

3830
02:29:13,120 --> 02:29:15,840
stuff in the building. The second one is

3831
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:18,800
to uh, give a new face lift to the

3832
02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:21,800
property. And the third one what let's

3833
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:23,280
see, it was um,

3834
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:27,920
employ um, Thompson Springs people. And

3835
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:30,960
I've done all three of those things. Um,

3836
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:34,560
waiting for the architect.

3837
02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:36,480
Um,

3838
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:38,200
it was definitely a miscommunication

3839
02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:40,080
with Jim Dressler.

3840
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:42,360
Uh, I told him that I when he went to

3841
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:43,920
the building department that I wanted to

3842
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:46,280
be there. He had two meetings without me

3843
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:52,040
and he used a um, a program that uh,

3844
02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:53,960
surveyor or

3845
02:29:53,960 --> 02:29:55,880
uh, architects use,

3846
02:29:55,880 --> 02:29:58,080
which is a standard form and when I

3847
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,080
started to read over it, I realized

3848
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:02,480
there were a lot of gross mistakes. One

3849
02:30:02,480 --> 02:30:06,600
of them was that um, he said I needed 56

3850
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:08,360
parking spaces

3851
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:11,200
uh, for the cafe that hold like 36

3852
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:12,360
people.

3853
02:30:12,360 --> 02:30:14,720
He had people down in my basement, which

3854
02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:16,480
means you have to go into the kitchen,

3855
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:17,840
lift up a

3856
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:20,480
uh, the floor, climb down a ladder and

3857
02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:22,440
you could serve four people to eat

3858
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:23,880
there.

3859
02:30:23,880 --> 02:30:26,200
And the same thing with the um, in the

3860
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:28,720
white house, uh, he had

3861
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:31,640
one or two people there and and so, you

3862
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:33,200
know, I started to go over all these

3863
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:34,880
things that were

3864
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:37,440
you know, stock standard stuff. The same

3865
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:39,000
thing with the bathrooms, they weren't

3866
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:40,960
big enough for ADA.

3867
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:48,120
I had um, I had taken some uh, um,

3868
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:50,800
graphic stuff in college.

3869
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:52,840
Um, I graduated and our college didn't

3870
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:54,880
even have computer system. That's how

3871
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:56,960
old I'm 75 years old.

3872
02:30:56,960 --> 02:31:00,200
And so, I learned how to do architect

3873
02:31:00,200 --> 02:31:02,720
by hand and so, I did it in graph paper

3874
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:04,440
and I gave it to Jim beforehand. He

3875
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:06,200
goes, "Oh, this is great."

3876
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:07,960
If you look at his plans, he doesn't

3877
02:31:07,960 --> 02:31:09,400
have any measurements on any of my

3878
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:11,760
building, any of the buildings. And so,

3879
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:14,320
that's another graphical error that he

3880
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:17,560
had made. Um, soon after

3881
02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:19,080
I had talked to him about some of the

3882
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:20,920
things that we needed to

3883
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:22,240
uh,

3884
02:31:22,240 --> 02:31:24,920
go over or change, he said he'd just

3885
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:27,320
gotten hired from a building a company

3886
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:29,680
in Salt Lake City and that he wouldn't

3887
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,720
be able to continue on.

3888
02:31:31,720 --> 02:31:33,200
So, that was the first architect. The

3889
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:35,560
second architect, um

3890
02:31:35,560 --> 02:31:37,640
she said, "Well, I'm really busy right

3891
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:40,720
now. I can't do anything till January."

3892
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:42,480
And this was in January, February,

3893
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:44,480
March, April, May. So, I had to wait all

3894
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:47,600
that time to get the And [clears throat]

3895
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:49,080
at the same time during this time I

3896
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:51,880
didn't have the grant money because my

3897
02:31:51,880 --> 02:31:53,680
water wasn't turned on.

3898
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:57,200
And so, and that was the TSS D decision.

3899
02:31:57,200 --> 02:31:58,440
It wasn't

3900
02:31:58,440 --> 02:32:00,040
my decision.

3901
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:01,160
Um

3902
02:32:01,160 --> 02:32:03,400
So, in January I called her and she

3903
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:05,200
said, "I just lost an employee and I've

3904
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:07,320
got some really big projects, so I can't

3905
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:09,280
do yours." I went through five different

3906
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:10,760
architects

3907
02:32:10,760 --> 02:32:12,680
um before

3908
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:15,280
uh you know, I I started to move forward

3909
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:17,000
on it. So, it's been I've gone through

3910
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:19,840
some challenges and some difficultness.

3911
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:22,400
I could have spent the money

3912
02:32:22,400 --> 02:32:24,320
really quickly on all the products, but

3913
02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:26,480
I kept waiting and waiting and waiting

3914
02:32:26,480 --> 02:32:28,200
to make sure that

3915
02:32:28,200 --> 02:32:28,840
um

3916
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:31,200
I was going through the process.

3917
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:32,520
Uh one of the big

3918
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:34,960
hassles that I had was that

3919
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:35,520
um

3920
02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:37,680
the planning and zoning said that they

3921
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:40,720
needed to rezone the property to

3922
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:42,440
commercial. And it originally was

3923
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:43,880
commercial and I was paying commercial

3924
02:32:43,880 --> 02:32:46,720
taxes, but it was changed to

3925
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:48,680
um residential because

3926
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:51,480
the highway had changed to I-70.

3927
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:54,360
So, that was another hurdle that um they

3928
02:32:54,360 --> 02:32:56,600
said if you want to wait, it won't cost

3929
02:32:56,600 --> 02:32:57,680
you anything, but it's going to be 2

3930
02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:00,360
years to do it. So, I spent the money on

3931
02:33:00,360 --> 02:33:02,480
a on a um

3932
02:33:02,480 --> 02:33:05,400
to request a zone change even though I

3933
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:06,640
was paying

3934
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:09,000
commercial taxes on it.

3935
02:33:09,000 --> 02:33:11,360
Uh so, I've had a lot of different

3936
02:33:11,360 --> 02:33:13,160
things put in front of me that has

3937
02:33:13,160 --> 02:33:15,680
slowed me down. Finally last year I just

3938
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:17,920
figured, "You know what? I know I need

3939
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:20,480
this equipment. I've been showing out

3940
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:22,760
money out of different accounts to pay

3941
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:24,240
for stuff. I'm just going to start

3942
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,040
buying the big equipment. So I got ADA

3943
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:28,560
toilets, ADA sinks, ADA

3944
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:30,800
urinals,

3945
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:32,400
touchless

3946
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:35,520
hand wash systems for the employees,

3947
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,320
new ice machine,

3948
02:33:37,320 --> 02:33:40,280
new refrigerator for bottled and and

3949
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:42,120
canned soda,

3950
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:44,960
a table, a heat lamp,

3951
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:47,720
larger sink for

3952
02:33:47,720 --> 02:33:50,640
washing vegetables and pots and pans. A

3953
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:52,680
lot of this stuff I paid actually cuz I

3954
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:55,760
knew I had $100,000 left.

3955
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:57,520
And one of the other things was is I got

3956
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:00,000
a electrical permit, which was great.

3957
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:01,920
But within

3958
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:03,560
a month or so, the guy that owned the

3959
02:34:03,560 --> 02:34:06,600
company died. His wife was going through

3960
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:08,200
a divorce, so she took all of his

3961
02:34:08,200 --> 02:34:10,760
equipment and put it at a yard sale. So

3962
02:34:10,760 --> 02:34:13,640
they sold all my equipment. So I had to

3963
02:34:13,640 --> 02:34:17,480
call ADA A&E, and they ended up

3964
02:34:17,480 --> 02:34:18,880
finishing up the job for another

3965
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:22,800
$15,000. So I paid once one time to have

3966
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:24,320
everything changed over, and now I paid

3967
02:34:24,320 --> 02:34:25,760
it a second time.

3968
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:29,400
And so I paid that out of my own funds.

3969
02:34:29,400 --> 02:34:32,110
And then

3970
02:34:32,120 --> 02:34:35,200
So I you know you guys have been

3971
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:37,200
beaten up. I'm not trying to beat you

3972
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:39,840
up, but it's it's been a struggle for me

3973
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:42,480
for this. We had

3974
02:34:42,480 --> 02:34:44,720
two county commissioners come to the

3975
02:34:44,720 --> 02:34:48,160
TSSUD meeting with a sheriff and Steve

3976
02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:50,760
Stocks and said, "You need to turn

3977
02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:52,800
Santa's water on." So after turned the

3978
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:54,800
water on, then I started to move forward

3979
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:57,760
and continued to buy all the internal

3980
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,680
equipment that I needed. Star Grant,

3981
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:02,040
like I said,

3982
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:06,440
issues three different projects, which

3983
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:11,110
if you look at the grant

3984
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:13,080
it states

3985
02:35:13,080 --> 02:35:15,640
the different things. And if you look

3986
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:17,480
and I can email you the photographs of

3987
02:35:17,480 --> 02:35:18,800
the before and after of all the

3988
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,440
buildings, uh

3989
02:35:20,440 --> 02:35:22,560
um, the different

3990
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:25,040
structures that we've worked on.

3991
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:27,080
Um, that you know, you know, planting

3992
02:35:27,080 --> 02:35:28,617
flowers and you

3993
02:35:28,617 --> 02:35:29,120
>> [clears throat]

3994
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:31,520
>> I think it was either 11 or 13 junk cars

3995
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:33,440
off the property and recycled them and

3996
02:35:33,440 --> 02:35:36,480
we've been just recycling, recycling, And

3997
02:35:36,480 --> 02:35:38,840
you know, um, we have

3998
02:35:38,840 --> 02:35:40,040
um,

3999
02:35:40,040 --> 02:35:42,240
booths that were all ripped and torn and

4000
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:44,920
cracking and broken and we I replaced

4001
02:35:44,920 --> 02:35:47,120
them and I paid for all that. We have

4002
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:52,840
ADA tables and chairs. I have 100 500 lb

4003
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:55,360
chair that I bought because they're once

4004
02:35:55,360 --> 02:35:56,520
in a while you get somebody who's

4005
02:35:56,520 --> 02:35:59,560
really, really big. Um, and there's

4006
02:35:59,560 --> 02:36:01,160
nothing more embarrassing than going

4007
02:36:01,160 --> 02:36:02,960
into a place and having a chair break on

4008
02:36:02,960 --> 02:36:05,120
you. And I've been into meetings where

4009
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:07,480
that's happened to heavy people. And

4010
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:09,360
each one of the booths got another

4011
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:12,480
chair, a big chair in the side of it so

4012
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:14,400
that if someone can't slide in the

4013
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:15,760
booth, they've they've got the chair

4014
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:18,240
right there on the side.

4015
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:20,200
So, I've been

4016
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:22,960
um, and then the same thing with uh,

4017
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:25,040
getting rid of all the junk and some of

4018
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:26,400
the painting and the different things

4019
02:36:26,400 --> 02:36:30,120
like that. I've hired all um,

4020
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:32,920
Thompson Springs people. So, you know,

4021
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:35,960
I'm definitely satisfied. Never once put

4022
02:36:35,960 --> 02:36:39,560
in the um, grant that it was contingent

4023
02:36:39,560 --> 02:36:41,200
on opening.

4024
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:43,440
It was contingent on

4025
02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:45,920
uh, getting getting the place cleaned

4026
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:48,640
up, uh, getting it a facelift and

4027
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:52,560
employing uh, employees. Sure, I do want

4028
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:54,240
to have it open and I want to I want to

4029
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:55,520
I put the sign up that we're going to

4030
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:58,560
open in 2023. But, uh, there's been a

4031
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:02,040
change of planning and zoning,

4032
02:37:02,040 --> 02:37:02,680
um,

4033
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:05,560
I think four times since I started this.

4034
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:07,600
And so, each time it's starting right at

4035
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:09,600
the beginning or, you know, a

4036
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:12,280
miscommunication. So, it's been that's

4037
02:37:12,280 --> 02:37:16,160
been another thing that has uh

4038
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:18,280
been a a hurdle. And every day I'm not

4039
02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:20,440
open and I'm paying for it through my

4040
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:23,000
own funds, not not the grant funds.

4041
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:25,560
There's about $30,000

4042
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:28,320
that I have left through the account,

4043
02:37:28,320 --> 02:37:30,720
which I waited because I need the new

4044
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:33,000
septic tank. Needs to be pulled out,

4045
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:35,760
filled in, and a new one put in.

4046
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:36,440
Um

4047
02:37:36,440 --> 02:37:38,560
need to have a new

4048
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:41,400
uh hood with a fire suppression system.

4049
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:42,680
And those are probably going to eat up

4050
02:37:42,680 --> 02:37:44,640
the rest of the

4051
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:47,680
uh the uh the $30,000 that

4052
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:48,240
um

4053
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:51,240
I probably put about 50 or 60,000 of my

4054
02:37:51,240 --> 02:37:53,880
own money into it. And if you need I

4055
02:37:53,880 --> 02:37:55,200
don't want to get you guys in trouble

4056
02:37:55,200 --> 02:38:00,880
because this grant's been going on and on. If you need to call it back, Um

4057
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:02,560
you know, here's the bank statement. I

4058
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:05,840
haven't bought anything since um

4059
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:08,800
January. It's I have $30,000 left. If

4060
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:10,160
you want the 30, I'll give it. If you

4061
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:12,120
want the 100, I'll give you the 100. You

4062
02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:14,400
know, I got other places I do get funds

4063
02:38:14,400 --> 02:38:16,880
from, uh other businesses. I'm not

4064
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:18,520
looking to get you guys in trouble and

4065
02:38:18,520 --> 02:38:22,320
with grant program. But, you know, I'm

4066
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:23,880
I've had a lot of struggles and that

4067
02:38:23,880 --> 02:38:26,640
that's basically what my problems have

4068
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:29,240
been. So, if for some reason I don't

4069
02:38:29,240 --> 02:38:31,440
qualify, it doesn't in the grant say it

4070
02:38:31,440 --> 02:38:33,320
has to be done in a certain period of

4071
02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:34,480
time, but I know you want to get it

4072
02:38:34,480 --> 02:38:35,720
done.

4073
02:38:35,720 --> 02:38:36,280
Um

4074
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:38,000
so, I've done everything the grant has

4075
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,480
that I've written up the grant for that

4076
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:43,880
I got a proof for. But, the problem is I've just been hitting

4077
02:38:43,880 --> 02:38:45,400
a bunch of um

4078
02:38:45,400 --> 02:38:47,840
you know, blockades. That's basically.

4079
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:52,760
And I'm going to email each one of you, know, here are the employees

4080
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:54,080
somewhere in here.

4081
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:56,320
You get this one.

4082
02:38:56,320 --> 02:39:00,360
Uh the junk that we've had in the the

4083
02:39:00,360 --> 02:39:02,080
different projects that we've been doing

4084
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:03,840
in planting flowers and mowing lawn.

4085
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:05,320
Right now, my lawnmower's broken, so I

4086
02:39:05,320 --> 02:39:06,920
need a new lawnmower.

4087
02:39:06,920 --> 02:39:08,480
Um so, we got a few leaks in the front

4088
02:39:08,480 --> 02:39:09,720
of the building.

4089
02:39:09,720 --> 02:39:10,520
Um

4090
02:39:10,520 --> 02:39:11,800
Yeah, I specifically I don't think

4091
02:39:11,800 --> 02:39:13,640
anyone's Okay. I don't think anyone's

4092
02:39:13,640 --> 02:39:15,280
Whatever. um

4093
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:16,880
concerned that you're not that you've

4094
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:20,680
done anything illegal. Yeah, we Yeah, we all know it.

4095
02:39:20,680 --> 02:39:23,080
I think we have some Stephen Oh, Stephen

4096
02:39:23,080 --> 02:39:24,360
has his hand up. Stephen was going to

4097
02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:26,080
comment and I think his and Chris's are

4098
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,400
have some questions. Okay, let's go. I'm

4099
02:39:28,400 --> 02:39:30,200
good either way. I know a lot of you.

4100
02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:32,200
It's not going to affect my friendship

4101
02:39:32,200 --> 02:39:33,960
at all, you know, I know you need to do

4102
02:39:33,960 --> 02:39:35,640
what you need to do.

4103
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:37,160
I've had a lot of black You know, I'm

4104
02:39:37,160 --> 02:39:39,520
not being lazy by any

4105
02:39:39,520 --> 02:39:40,280
means.

4106
02:39:40,280 --> 02:39:42,600
You know, I just um

4107
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:44,000
You know, I just uh it's just the way it

4108
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:46,240
is. It's I would rather be open and

4109
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,680
making money instead of not being open

4110
02:39:48,680 --> 02:39:50,840
and costing me more money. There's no

4111
02:39:50,840 --> 02:39:54,480
money revenue coming in, basically.

4112
02:39:54,480 --> 02:39:58,110
So, there you go.

4113
02:39:58,120 --> 02:40:01,760
Okay, Stephen, go ahead. Okay. Um, so we

4114
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,040
had the I think both Commissioner

4115
02:40:04,040 --> 02:40:05,520
McCandless and Commissioner Winfield at

4116
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:07,800
one point um both attend meetings. One

4117
02:40:07,800 --> 02:40:09,560
of the things that we've we've had a

4118
02:40:09,560 --> 02:40:11,720
little bit of difficulty with

4119
02:40:11,720 --> 02:40:14,960
was getting the paperwork finalized.

4120
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:16,600
And we brought together Commissioner

4121
02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:18,800
McCandless, as well as the applicant,

4122
02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:20,560
Chrissy Hoffman, and myself, the entire

4123
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:22,520
building department, the entire uh

4124
02:40:22,520 --> 02:40:24,840
planning department uh to sit down and

4125
02:40:24,840 --> 02:40:29,800
kind of identify where the issues were needed, and what things need to be

4126
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:32,520
done, site plan, etc. And then we set a

4127
02:40:32,520 --> 02:40:35,560
follow-up date. My difficulty was that

4128
02:40:35,560 --> 02:40:37,400
between those two meetings we didn't get

4129
02:40:37,400 --> 02:40:38,760
the site plan submitted, and we didn't

4130
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:40,800
get the process continued on.

4131
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:42,800
I I know this is

4132
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:43,360
uh

4133
02:40:43,360 --> 02:40:46,560
Thompson's a complex, complicated area.

4134
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:51,720
I think that it's a unique area. I It is true that um myself and law

4135
02:40:51,720 --> 02:40:53,640
enforcement had to go sit out at the the

4136
02:40:53,640 --> 02:40:56,000
water department meeting. Um, we didn't

4137
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:57,440
we we encouraged them to make the

4138
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:00,560
correct appropriate action. Um, and it's

4139
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:03,640
been difficult. This project contract

4140
02:41:03,640 --> 02:41:05,920
original contract period

4141
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:07,880
was supposed to originally have ended on

4142
02:41:07,880 --> 02:41:11,000
June 20th of 2024. We're now into 2026

4143
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:16,000
and we still don't have a site plan. And so those were some of the issues

4144
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:17,960
that we've been struggling with. We want

4145
02:41:17,960 --> 02:41:20,600
to provide as much support as possible.

4146
02:41:20,600 --> 02:41:23,080
But it's it is difficult when we when we

4147
02:41:23,080 --> 02:41:24,440
do have a meeting, we bring all the

4148
02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:26,600
department heads there that we need to

4149
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:28,760
have that action and that change that's

4150
02:41:28,760 --> 02:41:30,640
necessary. And then in a follow-up

4151
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:31,680
meeting

4152
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:32,680
we don't have that change that's

4153
02:41:32,680 --> 02:41:33,880
necessary.

4154
02:41:33,880 --> 02:41:36,240
And so from from my point, there is some

4155
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:40,200
paperwork that still needs to be resolved to move the project

4156
02:41:40,200 --> 02:41:42,880
forward. But at a certain point it is

4157
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:44,000
hard.

4158
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:45,800
I'll reach out and and then we'll see a

4159
02:41:45,800 --> 02:41:47,440
flurry of action, a flurry of emails,

4160
02:41:47,440 --> 02:41:48,320
and I know the commissioners have

4161
02:41:48,320 --> 02:41:50,400
received those. And then it'll fade into

4162
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:52,000
the background, and then it'll be

4163
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:54,000
brought up again in a flurry of emails

4164
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,800
and actions. And and this year was kind

4165
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,000
of another final attempt to try to see

4166
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:01,880
if we could get all the tools and

4167
02:42:01,880 --> 02:42:04,040
personnel available to help assist it.

4168
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:06,000
And we just didn't see that that

4169
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:08,160
finalized. So that was just the

4170
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,720
information I wanted to add.

4171
02:42:10,720 --> 02:42:13,520
There was a site plan delivered by Jim

4172
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:16,200
Dressler, the very first

4173
02:42:16,200 --> 02:42:17,000
um

4174
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:18,480
within the first few months before I

4175
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:21,240
even got my water done. And that's when

4176
02:42:21,240 --> 02:42:24,600
he decided to take this other job. So

4177
02:42:24,600 --> 02:42:27,760
and I have it and the problem is is I'm

4178
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:30,080
not computer literate. I'm like your

4179
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:31,097
grandmother.

4180
02:42:31,097 --> 02:42:31,120
>> [clears throat]

4181
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:35,120
>> And so I have photographs and documents,

4182
02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:37,120
and I've got three things this big that

4183
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:40,120
I've been, you know, And chair

4184
02:42:40,120 --> 02:42:42,920
work. Yes. And and that site that site

4185
02:42:42,920 --> 02:42:44,960
plan that was delivered by by that

4186
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:47,000
individual, that was back in 2024,

4187
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:48,680
right?

4188
02:42:48,680 --> 02:42:50,960
No, it was uh 20 right after I got the

4189
02:42:50,960 --> 02:42:55,440
grant. Okay, even earlier than then. And that's that's kind kind some of the

4190
02:42:55,440 --> 02:42:57,880
issue that we've had is we've we've had

4191
02:42:57,880 --> 02:43:00,680
documents and then they just sit idle.

4192
02:43:00,680 --> 02:43:02,640
And so then when we sat down earlier

4193
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:04,120
this year to have the meeting to kind of

4194
02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:06,320
see what we needed to identify,

4195
02:43:06,320 --> 02:43:07,920
we listed all those concerns, we

4196
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:12,360
exchanged contact information, um and they listed out what what we needed

4197
02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:13,480
to see.

4198
02:43:13,480 --> 02:43:15,080
And so it's not about what was

4199
02:43:15,080 --> 02:43:17,160
originally filed, it was just like from

4200
02:43:17,160 --> 02:43:18,480
this year we kind of started with clean

4201
02:43:18,480 --> 02:43:20,600
slate and then saying, "Hey, let's let's

4202
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:22,400
get the final documents going and and we

4203
02:43:22,400 --> 02:43:24,760
just we didn't achieve that."

4204
02:43:24,760 --> 02:43:27,680
Right. Yeah, and so I have so many

4205
02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:29,840
documents on all this stuff that it

4206
02:43:29,840 --> 02:43:32,480
wouldn't your um computers wouldn't take

4207
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:34,680
it all. It kept bouncing off cuz you

4208
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:37,080
gave me a a list of the stuff I needed

4209
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:39,640
to submit, and I submitted all that

4210
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:42,000
stuff and it bounced back and I talked

4211
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:45,160
to the building department and said,

4212
02:43:45,160 --> 02:43:47,000
"This is what This is my problem I'm

4213
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:49,720
having." So I put it on a thumb drive

4214
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:51,600
and they said, "No, we couldn't accept

4215
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:53,760
thumb drives." So they recommended I go

4216
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:56,560
to the library. So I went to the library

4217
02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:58,440
and they put it all on there and it

4218
02:43:58,440 --> 02:44:00,960
bounced it off again. And so then I went

4219
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:03,880
to Sean who is the

4220
02:44:03,880 --> 02:44:06,840
I guess the engineer and uh he ended up

4221
02:44:06,840 --> 02:44:10,600
putting it on his computer. So

4222
02:44:10,600 --> 02:44:12,320
um but there's so much there, you know,

4223
02:44:12,320 --> 02:44:14,240
when we were talking, we'd bounce from

4224
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:16,080
one topic to the other and not really

4225
02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:18,440
open everything up so that you could see

4226
02:44:18,440 --> 02:44:20,080
the information. But yeah, there was a

4227
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:22,480
site plan. I have a

4228
02:44:22,480 --> 02:44:25,000
site plan for the already completed with

4229
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:26,840
the um septic, but you can't get into it

4230
02:44:26,840 --> 02:44:29,120
because I can't download it cuz the

4231
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:31,000
files are too big and the same thing

4232
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:32,080
with

4233
02:44:32,080 --> 02:44:34,240
um

4234
02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:38,160
I have the information for the the um

4235
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:38,960
the

4236
02:44:38,960 --> 02:44:41,400
uh hood and the um fire suppression

4237
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:44,120
system, but it's the same thing. All my

4238
02:44:44,120 --> 02:44:46,520
files are way too big and I even JPEGed

4239
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:48,680
everything uh thinking that that might

4240
02:44:48,680 --> 02:44:50,360
help because everything was in Word

4241
02:44:50,360 --> 02:44:53,000
document. And so I spent

4242
02:44:53,000 --> 02:44:54,600
almost a month going through all my

4243
02:44:54,600 --> 02:44:57,680
files to change it so it would get into

4244
02:44:57,680 --> 02:44:59,280
the file. So,

4245
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:02,600
um yeah, no, I'm not there yet. If if

4246
02:45:02,600 --> 02:45:04,560
you know, I could spend the $30,000

4247
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:05,960
tomorrow,

4248
02:45:05,960 --> 02:45:08,840
you know, on just equipment uh to finish

4249
02:45:08,840 --> 02:45:10,640
up the the thing, but it doesn't mean

4250
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:12,920
the doors are going to be open. Yeah,

4251
02:45:12,920 --> 02:45:14,160
you know, it's not going to be open

4252
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:17,160
until this until you have that plan into

4253
02:45:17,160 --> 02:45:19,400
Well, I need a new I need a new site

4254
02:45:19,400 --> 02:45:22,680
plan because the gym's was incorrect,

4255
02:45:22,680 --> 02:45:24,560
and I can send you that and you can see

4256
02:45:24,560 --> 02:45:27,320
56 parking spots

4257
02:45:27,320 --> 02:45:29,840
on a commercial um property? Yeah, we

4258
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:31,440
got to start over on that. I think that

4259
02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:33,240
Mike had a had his hand up. I'm going to

4260
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:35,520
let Mike go.

4261
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:37,440
Is the property zoned commercial as of

4262
02:45:37,440 --> 02:45:39,480
right now? Yes. Okay. It was zoned that

4263
02:45:39,480 --> 02:45:40,640
way.

4264
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:41,600
That was the first thing I did.

4265
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:42,840
>> rezoned So, you couldn't be paying

4266
02:45:42,840 --> 02:45:43,760
commercial taxes.

4267
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:47,040
>> back in back in '22 before the um grant

4268
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:47,800
was

4269
02:45:47,800 --> 02:45:50,880
approved or not. If you had to spitball,

4270
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:53,160
I know I know this is a spitball, how

4271
02:45:53,160 --> 02:45:55,520
long would it take to uh

4272
02:45:55,520 --> 02:45:57,080
in your mind, how long would it take to

4273
02:45:57,080 --> 02:45:59,120
finalize the paperwork if provided a

4274
02:45:59,120 --> 02:46:01,120
list and a clean slate today?

4275
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:02,960
The paperwork on the spending of the

4276
02:46:02,960 --> 02:46:05,640
grant or the fund work? Uh

4277
02:46:05,640 --> 02:46:07,920
My grant didn't say the doors will be

4278
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:09,280
you know, I'm doing it to have the doors

4279
02:46:09,280 --> 02:46:11,720
open. It It said three specific things.

4280
02:46:11,720 --> 02:46:13,560
And and that I could probably within a

4281
02:46:13,560 --> 02:46:17,760
week get the rest of the $30,000.

4282
02:46:17,760 --> 02:46:19,840
I mean, I've probably spent I don't

4283
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:20,760
know,

4284
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:23,200
80,000 of my own money.

4285
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:25,520
I I very I trust me when I say I know

4286
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:27,960
the cost of opening a restaurant. Yeah.

4287
02:46:27,960 --> 02:46:30,480
Uh I can only say

4288
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:32,320
uh

4289
02:46:32,320 --> 02:46:34,040
the follow-through on the paperwork, uh

4290
02:46:34,040 --> 02:46:35,080
that's what I was asking on the

4291
02:46:35,080 --> 02:46:38,240
spitball. If you had 3 months more,

4292
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:39,880
could we could we get to that point

4293
02:46:39,880 --> 02:46:41,880
where a site plan would be As long as I

4294
02:46:41,880 --> 02:46:44,720
can get an you know, I've had um

4295
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:47,800
uh what's his name, Smith do one for the

4296
02:46:47,800 --> 02:46:48,480
um

4297
02:46:48,480 --> 02:46:51,600
for part of the I I too I too like you

4298
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:52,600
can

4299
02:46:52,600 --> 02:46:55,480
draft by hand. Yeah. I learned before

4300
02:46:55,480 --> 02:46:58,880
computer taught me. Yeah. Uh

4301
02:46:58,880 --> 02:47:01,600
if it comes to it, we can sit down and

4302
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:04,480
draft a site plan by hand.

4303
02:47:04,480 --> 02:47:06,080
Right. Well, I I'd be willing to throw

4304
02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:07,960
my time to help you out. But I need to

4305
02:47:07,960 --> 02:47:09,200
know if we could do that work in the

4306
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:09,720
next couple of

4307
02:47:09,720 --> 02:47:11,760
>> out a site plan

4308
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:14,080
on PDF. Stop that. This Just really

4309
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:15,480
quickly. So, because this is a

4310
02:47:15,480 --> 02:47:17,160
commercial space, it's going to require

4311
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:19,400
a specific kind of site plan that would

4312
02:47:19,400 --> 02:47:21,000
be um

4313
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:23,680
that would include engineering.

4314
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:25,000
Like it would be a drafted site plan.

4315
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:29,120
It's a commercial space. So, it can't be

4316
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:30,760
a site plan that's just, you know,

4317
02:47:30,760 --> 02:47:32,600
drawn. It does require a little bit

4318
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:33,800
>> We could get an architectural stamp, I

4319
02:47:33,800 --> 02:47:35,520
understand. But we had a discussion

4320
02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:37,520
I just wanted to make sure that that was

4321
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:38,920
clear before we I know what you're

4322
02:47:38,920 --> 02:47:41,240
talking about. went down a a path that

4323
02:47:41,240 --> 02:47:44,840
And Jim did do that, and he gave it to

4324
02:47:44,840 --> 02:47:47,040
Bill. You know, and we had multiple

4325
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:49,560
discussions, and I would start think I'd

4326
02:47:49,560 --> 02:47:52,360
go there and say, "Do I need a permit to

4327
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:53,360
do a

4328
02:47:53,360 --> 02:47:56,240
ADA ramp on the front of the building?"

4329
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:57,840
And he goes, "No, he goes, "No, you

4330
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:00,400
don't." The next day, I I hired some

4331
02:48:00,400 --> 02:48:03,720
people to start drilling the uh steps up

4332
02:48:03,720 --> 02:48:06,240
and getting ready to lay the forms, and

4333
02:48:06,240 --> 02:48:07,520
I get a phone call from planning and

4334
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:09,720
zoning saying, "Stop what you're doing.

4335
02:48:09,720 --> 02:48:11,360
Um we

4336
02:48:11,360 --> 02:48:13,280
uh we want to talk to you more about

4337
02:48:13,280 --> 02:48:15,560
it." And then that person, you know,

4338
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,480
left, and so we've been walking over

4339
02:48:17,480 --> 02:48:20,960
rubble the whole time. I understand that, and no one I don't

4340
02:48:20,960 --> 02:48:23,080
think anyone's benefiting if we don't

4341
02:48:23,080 --> 02:48:24,720
get those doors open. All right. Return

4342
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:26,360
back to what Mel was saying. Especially

4343
02:48:26,360 --> 02:48:28,920
me. Especially Thompson, especially you,

4344
02:48:28,920 --> 02:48:29,400
especially

4345
02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:33,080
>> money every day that it's not open. Yeah. I

4346
02:48:33,080 --> 02:48:35,160
get that. I think Bill had a comment. I

4347
02:48:35,160 --> 02:48:38,080
saw Brian's hand. Or Doc. Yeah.

4348
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:39,040
Um

4349
02:48:39,040 --> 02:48:40,280
my own

4350
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:42,200
Go Go Okay, thank you.

4351
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:43,000
Um

4352
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:45,440
first off, I I've got to

4353
02:48:45,440 --> 02:48:46,320
I've been part of this since the very

4354
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:47,640
beginning. I was part of that start

4355
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:49,160
grant

4356
02:48:49,160 --> 02:48:51,600
board that awarded Santa the

4357
02:48:51,600 --> 02:48:54,120
uh grant to begin with. And and when the

4358
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:55,520
five of us There was a It was a It was a

4359
02:48:55,520 --> 02:48:57,120
great board. There was some good good

4360
02:48:57,120 --> 02:48:59,200
folks on it, but um

4361
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:01,760
this was This was honestly the project

4362
02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:03,000
that we were absolutely most excited

4363
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:08,360
about on that on that board. I think it nailed all the all the

4364
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:10,560
aspects of what we wanted that start

4365
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:12,120
grant program to be about as far as

4366
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:13,960
economic development goes and going into

4367
02:49:13,960 --> 02:49:19,640
other parts of the county. Um and and supporting

4368
02:49:19,640 --> 02:49:22,120
So, it was a It was It was a good start.

4369
02:49:22,120 --> 02:49:23,680
I was also on the Thompson Water Board

4370
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:24,720
when we

4371
02:49:24,720 --> 02:49:26,480
you know, we we Bill came up and that

4372
02:49:26,480 --> 02:49:28,280
was That was great and Stephen as well.

4373
02:49:28,280 --> 02:49:31,400
We made sure that you got this ERUs that

4374
02:49:31,400 --> 02:49:34,880
you were entitled to, Santa. Um

4375
02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:37,507
And it's it's been a long time.

4376
02:49:37,507 --> 02:49:38,280
>> [laughter]

4377
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:40,200
>> And and I know you've had you've had so

4378
02:49:40,200 --> 02:49:43,640
many headwinds and it's and it's it

4379
02:49:43,640 --> 02:49:45,360
it's like everything that could go wrong

4380
02:49:45,360 --> 02:49:47,600
has gone wrong and I I feel for you.

4381
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:48,920
It's a really

4382
02:49:48,920 --> 02:49:50,400
tough position to be in and it would be

4383
02:49:50,400 --> 02:49:52,200
really cool to have that cafe open out

4384
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:59,360
in Thompson. Um but at the same time, I mean I think I think

4385
02:49:59,360 --> 02:50:01,080
Mike was asking the question that I

4386
02:50:01,080 --> 02:50:02,000
really

4387
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:04,480
wanted to ask too. Like like honestly if

4388
02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:05,880
you really look at this in the process

4389
02:50:05,880 --> 02:50:07,560
and your capacity and everything, like

4390
02:50:07,560 --> 02:50:08,800
how how long do you really think it

4391
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:10,520
would take you to fulfill the terms of

4392
02:50:10,520 --> 02:50:13,720
the of the grant like going forward? I

4393
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:15,840
Are we closer or is

4394
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,560
Cuz we we've sat down. Bill and I have

4395
02:50:17,560 --> 02:50:19,600
been on a couple of of calls with

4396
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:21,400
Stephen and we've talked about it and we

4397
02:50:21,400 --> 02:50:23,520
really like the project, but it's it's

4398
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:25,520
There there There just comes a time when

4399
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:28,400
you know, you know what I'm saying, but

4400
02:50:28,400 --> 02:50:30,000
um

4401
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,880
Yeah, so yeah, I mean do you do you do

4402
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:34,680
you think you're

4403
02:50:34,680 --> 02:50:36,920
that closer or we

4404
02:50:36,920 --> 02:50:40,040
kicking the can down the road again. And I know this is probably really

4405
02:50:40,040 --> 02:50:42,240
stressful for you, too. So, it's Yeah,

4406
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:44,000
and it's might be better to do it

4407
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:45,520
>> What you requested from the grant, I

4408
02:50:45,520 --> 02:50:47,200
fulfilled all those things. Everything

4409
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:49,640
I've written down I need the grant for,

4410
02:50:49,640 --> 02:50:51,120
I've completed.

4411
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:53,520
As far as the site plan goes, we when I

4412
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:55,520
first started, we handed in the

4413
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:57,080
document.

4414
02:50:57,080 --> 02:50:59,320
Um now it has to be downloaded. So, I

4415
02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:01,600
need to have somebody else

4416
02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:03,600
um you know, do it. And that's been a

4417
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:05,040
really difficult problem because

4418
02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:06,760
everybody says I'm so busy doing hotels,

4419
02:51:06,760 --> 02:51:08,520
I don't have time for that. I can't even

4420
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:10,960
get new glass that's broke, that's

4421
02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:12,240
shattered

4422
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:14,240
from Rick's Glass. He said, "Oh, sure.

4423
02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:15,560
I'll I'll um

4424
02:51:15,560 --> 02:51:16,440
get a

4425
02:51:16,440 --> 02:51:17,800
uh order it for you, but I'm not putting

4426
02:51:17,800 --> 02:51:19,840
it in." How am I going to put a 4 by 8

4427
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:24,240
piece, three 4 by 8 pieces of glass in a

4428
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:25,920
window?

4429
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:27,200
Unless you're a professional. So, I've

4430
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:28,760
either got to go to Price or I've got to

4431
02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:30,960
go to Grand Junction. No, I I I I

4432
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:32,680
understand, Sayda. We can There's a lot

4433
02:51:32,680 --> 02:51:34,560
of contractors

4434
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,840
that won't even do anything there

4435
02:51:36,840 --> 02:51:38,400
because it's out of it's out of town.

4436
02:51:38,400 --> 02:51:40,560
So, yeah, I've been I've had a lot of

4437
02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:42,680
different varieties of struggles. And

4438
02:51:42,680 --> 02:51:44,880
so, it's kind of to the point I don't

4439
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:46,280
want to get you guys in trouble. If you

4440
02:51:46,280 --> 02:51:48,160
need to put the money somewhere else, if

4441
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:49,520
you need to put the balance of the money

4442
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:50,680
somewhere else, or if you need to put

4443
02:51:50,680 --> 02:51:52,120
the whole thing,

4444
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:54,240
I have the money to cover it

4445
02:51:54,240 --> 02:51:56,760
um one way or another. I don't I'm not

4446
02:51:56,760 --> 02:51:58,320
going to feel

4447
02:51:58,320 --> 02:52:02,880
any animosity or whatever. You know, um

4448
02:52:02,880 --> 02:52:04,240
I've been

4449
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:05,680
you know, um

4450
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:07,520
I mean, every every time I'm up there

4451
02:52:07,520 --> 02:52:08,360
people say, "When are you going to uh

4452
02:52:08,360 --> 02:52:09,360
when are you going to supply and

4453
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:10,920
coffee?" You know, "When are you going

4454
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:12,440
to open?" And people, you know, it's a

4455
02:52:12,440 --> 02:52:13,680
truck stop. Well, I don't have a uh

4456
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:15,160
It'll be It'll be Come and get a meal.

4457
02:52:15,160 --> 02:52:16,600
They don't want to eat They're trucking

4458
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:19,400
out of the 7-Eleven. So,

4459
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:21,480
yeah, I've uh you know, they laugh. I

4460
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:23,640
see the signs that say, "So, can be open

4461
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:27,680
2023." We're in 2026. It's like,

4462
02:52:27,680 --> 02:52:28,440
you know,

4463
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:30,560
Okay, I think I I think that they'll

4464
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:31,840
have a comment. I see Steven's hand,

4465
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:33,560
Mary's hand. So, we're going to go move

4466
02:52:33,560 --> 02:52:36,000
around with these Mr. Chairs. Go ahead,

4467
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:38,800
Bill. So, I'm in agreement with Jacques.

4468
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:40,640
We've had a lot of meetings about this.

4469
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:43,120
We've had several with county attorney.

4470
02:52:43,120 --> 02:52:46,000
My interest is not

4471
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:47,880
in anything other than seeing a

4472
02:52:47,880 --> 02:52:50,600
restaurant open. And I think we need

4473
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:53,240
some clarification. I know Mike's kind

4474
02:52:53,240 --> 02:52:55,560
of asked around about question and even

4475
02:52:55,560 --> 02:52:57,960
Jacques around about me. I want to know

4476
02:52:57,960 --> 02:52:59,760
when the doors are going to be open.

4477
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:02,040
That's where I am. And not when you're

4478
02:53:02,040 --> 02:53:04,000
going to get the site plan and all of

4479
02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:06,280
these things. I'm a little bit

4480
02:53:06,280 --> 02:53:09,080
curious and I I wish we would have had

4481
02:53:09,080 --> 02:53:10,720
Mr. Um

4482
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:13,720
Jackson here to to get his opinion on

4483
02:53:13,720 --> 02:53:16,120
how do we move this through in a more

4484
02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:18,200
timely manner. I want to see a

4485
02:53:18,200 --> 02:53:21,360
restaurant open in Thompson Springs.

4486
02:53:21,360 --> 02:53:24,640
My recommendation is going to be

4487
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:27,480
that we put a hold on the 30K.

4488
02:53:27,480 --> 02:53:30,120
Or that we have the 30K returned that's

4489
02:53:30,120 --> 02:53:31,480
sitting there.

4490
02:53:31,480 --> 02:53:34,600
Not to take it away, but to

4491
02:53:34,600 --> 02:53:36,320
I I don't know how to motivate you

4492
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:38,120
saying that to open the restaurant cuz

4493
02:53:38,120 --> 02:53:40,080
that's what I want. That's all I want.

4494
02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:42,160
It's to see a light on and people in

4495
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:44,240
Thompson Springs. And I think that's as

4496
02:53:44,240 --> 02:53:47,320
he said the board's motivation, too. So,

4497
02:53:47,320 --> 02:53:49,840
it's I I know that you're frustrated and

4498
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:52,520
you have issues with computers, but

4499
02:53:52,520 --> 02:53:58,440
go to the college and hire somebody and and get this dealt with. I mean

4500
02:53:58,440 --> 02:54:00,440
Well, I I

4501
02:54:00,440 --> 02:54:03,000
had five different

4502
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:04,760
um architects.

4503
02:54:04,760 --> 02:54:07,320
I I understand all that, but I think

4504
02:54:07,320 --> 02:54:09,720
I'd take a sixth one.

4505
02:54:09,720 --> 02:54:11,480
I was hoping it would happen that first

4506
02:54:11,480 --> 02:54:14,920
year in in January and the site plan.

4507
02:54:14,920 --> 02:54:16,280
And that's what's holding me up is the

4508
02:54:16,280 --> 02:54:18,520
site is finding someone that will

4509
02:54:18,520 --> 02:54:21,080
complete it. Well, and you mentioned

4510
02:54:21,080 --> 02:54:23,040
friendship. I think everybody in here I

4511
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:24,360
don't I don't know of a commissioner

4512
02:54:24,360 --> 02:54:26,440
that wouldn't say that we want to be

4513
02:54:26,440 --> 02:54:28,560
your friend or that we already are your

4514
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:30,680
friend, right? But we also have a

4515
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:33,280
responsibility to the taxpayers and the

4516
02:54:33,280 --> 02:54:37,040
restaurant is 2023 is 6 years behind

4517
02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:39,360
being open or excuse me, 3 years behind

4518
02:54:39,360 --> 02:54:41,280
being open. And I want to help that

4519
02:54:41,280 --> 02:54:42,720
happen, you know.

4520
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:44,800
And anybody has any suggestions or

4521
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:48,160
ideas, um I'm open to it, but I think

4522
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:49,800
we've got to do something. Okay, so you

4523
02:54:49,800 --> 02:54:52,040
need the site plan.

4524
02:54:52,040 --> 02:54:55,440
And you need it by a professional

4525
02:54:55,440 --> 02:54:58,600
architect. I have the site plans.

4526
02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:00,760
Uh I hand drawing and I have Jim's which

4527
02:55:00,760 --> 02:55:02,320
are incorrect.

4528
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:05,680
Um I need to hire another person to do

4529
02:55:05,680 --> 02:55:08,480
site plans cuz basically to start moving

4530
02:55:08,480 --> 02:55:11,880
forward is is basically what it is.

4531
02:55:11,880 --> 02:55:14,240
I'm at a loss of knowing who

4532
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:16,040
I'm going to be willing and can do it.

4533
02:55:16,040 --> 02:55:17,480
Belong to Mary. We got a couple more

4534
02:55:17,480 --> 02:55:18,960
hands up. We're going to Mary, Stephen,

4535
02:55:18,960 --> 02:55:21,120
Trish to see what they have to say,

4536
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:23,720
okay? Go ahead, Mary. I think there's a

4537
02:55:23,720 --> 02:55:25,480
couple things that everybody's concerned

4538
02:55:25,480 --> 02:55:27,560
about. One is getting the restaurant

4539
02:55:27,560 --> 02:55:30,160
open and two is not having

4540
02:55:30,160 --> 02:55:31,960
uh the money

4541
02:55:31,960 --> 02:55:34,560
that the county gets either the

4542
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:37,080
restaurant opens or we get reimbursed

4543
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:38,440
the money.

4544
02:55:38,440 --> 02:55:41,160
Could we put a I mean, Stephen, this is

4545
02:55:41,160 --> 02:55:44,280
probably for you uh a lien on the

4546
02:55:44,280 --> 02:55:47,000
property so that that wouldn't stop her,

4547
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:50,840
wouldn't cost any money for but it would

4548
02:55:50,840 --> 02:55:53,240
say no, but it would

4549
02:55:53,240 --> 02:55:56,520
guarantee us

4550
02:55:56,520 --> 02:55:58,920
that if it ended up being sold or such

4551
02:55:58,920 --> 02:56:03,350
that we would get our money back.

4552
02:56:03,360 --> 02:56:07,960
Theoretically, you you'd need Yeah, you need it needed to be voluntary

4553
02:56:07,960 --> 02:56:09,600
unless we're looking at

4554
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:11,160
um a different process. But yeah, it's

4555
02:56:11,160 --> 02:56:13,160
theoretically possible. So she could put

4556
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:15,480
a lien voluntarily put a lien on her

4557
02:56:15,480 --> 02:56:19,600
property to for the $90,000.

4558
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:22,120
You you theoretically could do that, but

4559
02:56:22,120 --> 02:56:22,960
I

4560
02:56:22,960 --> 02:56:24,520
Yeah, there's some there's some issues

4561
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:26,320
in that because it then it encumbers the

4562
02:56:26,320 --> 02:56:28,720
property and makes it harder for her to

4563
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:30,080
utilize

4564
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:31,400
any of the equity that she has in the

4565
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:33,600
property to get any additional funding.

4566
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:35,880
Oh, okay. I was I was just trying to

4567
02:56:35,880 --> 02:56:37,920
find a way to

4568
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:40,560
move forward cuz I think this is a real

4569
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:44,040
I think we all want it open, but we also

4570
02:56:44,040 --> 02:56:45,680
are concerned that it's not going to

4571
02:56:45,680 --> 02:56:49,750
open.

4572
02:56:49,760 --> 02:56:51,440
Did you have another comment as well?

4573
02:56:51,440 --> 02:56:53,640
Yep, just super quick. Um

4574
02:56:53,640 --> 02:56:55,800
re- reopening the cafe was was the

4575
02:56:55,800 --> 02:56:56,840
language that was used in the

4576
02:56:56,840 --> 02:56:59,360
application. It has its six different

4577
02:56:59,360 --> 02:57:01,080
locations. The summary in the original

4578
02:57:01,080 --> 02:57:02,800
contract does say that the goal is to

4579
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:06,200
reopen the cafe in in Thompson.

4580
02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:08,400
Um I just note that but that the

4581
02:57:08,400 --> 02:57:10,640
applicant said otherwise. Um I pulled

4582
02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:11,720
the

4583
02:57:11,720 --> 02:57:13,560
2023

4584
02:57:13,560 --> 02:57:15,000
agenda summary and it has that

4585
02:57:15,000 --> 02:57:17,480
information there. Um I don't know what

4586
02:57:17,480 --> 02:57:21,800
else we can do to help the applicant. We literally grouped everybody from both

4587
02:57:21,800 --> 02:57:23,360
departments

4588
02:57:23,360 --> 02:57:25,480
in a room, gave all the connections

4589
02:57:25,480 --> 02:57:27,960
possible. So, if the commission wants to

4590
02:57:27,960 --> 02:57:30,560
give a really hard serious deadline, we

4591
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:32,280
can definitely do that.

4592
02:57:32,280 --> 02:57:34,600
But I I don't know how how else we can

4593
02:57:34,600 --> 02:57:37,920
help the applicant. Um other individuals

4594
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:39,400
in this community are able to do site

4595
02:57:39,400 --> 02:57:42,080
plans, are able to process that through.

4596
02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:44,440
Um I know Thompson's a unique place, but

4597
02:57:44,440 --> 02:57:46,600
we we do have we do receive site plans

4598
02:57:46,600 --> 02:57:48,960
from Thompson. And so, if that's the

4599
02:57:48,960 --> 02:57:51,200
place the commission wants to go, clear

4600
02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:53,760
direction for the applicant, and she's

4601
02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:56,080
in contact. We've provided the contact

4602
02:57:56,080 --> 02:57:56,920
for everybody in the building

4603
02:57:56,920 --> 02:57:58,960
department, planning department um for

4604
02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:01,800
that to be done. And I've made it clear

4605
02:58:01,800 --> 02:58:03,240
when I attended the meetings, and I

4606
02:58:03,240 --> 02:58:05,160
think the chair, the vice chair, Ms.

4607
02:58:05,160 --> 02:58:06,920
Hoffline, and myself, when all of us

4608
02:58:06,920 --> 02:58:09,480
attended, we expressed that it was our

4609
02:58:09,480 --> 02:58:11,200
goal and support, and we wanted to see

4610
02:58:11,200 --> 02:58:13,760
that this program finalize,

4611
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:15,520
but I don't know what else the county

4612
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:18,200
can do to be helpful.

4613
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:20,400
Patricia had her hand up.

4614
02:58:20,400 --> 02:58:21,720
Um

4615
02:58:21,720 --> 02:58:23,840
and yeah, this is it is not very fun.

4616
02:58:23,840 --> 02:58:28,240
So, the the 30k part of the 90.

4617
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:31,120
Yeah, well, yes, and I believe that

4618
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:33,840
there's been 20 withheld or was it only

4619
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:34,160
10?

4620
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:34,920
>> 10 10 10

4621
02:58:34,920 --> 02:58:37,200
>> withheld. So, there's 10 that we have

4622
02:58:37,200 --> 02:58:38,600
not given.

4623
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:40,880
Um and then um I believe that we've been

4624
02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:43,280
informed that there's 30 in an account.

4625
02:58:43,280 --> 02:58:46,480
Okay. So, um there is a separate Okay.

4626
02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:48,080
in the in the Please bear with me.

4627
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:50,080
Sorry, sir. January hasn't changed at

4628
02:58:50,080 --> 02:58:55,000
all except for the um uh septic uh

4629
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:57,240
contractor that's has done that and I

4630
02:58:57,240 --> 02:58:59,400
paid to get it approved by the

4631
02:58:59,400 --> 02:59:00,400
um

4632
02:59:00,400 --> 02:59:02,560
uh Orion. So, it's been paid and paid

4633
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:03,760
for that.

4634
02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:05,360
You know, the

4635
02:59:05,360 --> 02:59:06,840
So,

4636
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:08,560
it's the only thing that's been paid for

4637
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:11,240
out of that account since January.

4638
02:59:11,240 --> 02:59:13,520
So, my recommendation would be to and

4639
02:59:13,520 --> 02:59:15,160
you know, it is what it is, is to revoke

4640
02:59:15,160 --> 02:59:17,640
the remaining 30 and put in lien the

4641
02:59:17,640 --> 02:59:22,040
property for um the other 60. And that

4642
02:59:22,040 --> 02:59:24,200
way if the property is sold, so, you

4643
02:59:24,200 --> 02:59:25,960
know, maybe she I I don't know.

4644
02:59:25,960 --> 02:59:26,840
It's

4645
02:59:26,840 --> 02:59:29,120
I I hate to to put the burden on her to

4646
02:59:29,120 --> 02:59:31,600
give us, you know,

4647
02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:33,920
90k back.

4648
02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:36,280
But it that in that way liening the

4649
02:59:36,280 --> 02:59:38,200
property, the you know, if the property

4650
02:59:38,200 --> 02:59:41,120
is sold, we will get paid back.

4651
02:59:41,120 --> 02:59:42,120
Are you making a motion?

4652
02:59:42,120 --> 02:59:44,520
>> a motion.

4653
02:59:44,520 --> 02:59:46,240
Well, Sure, I'm going to make a motion,

4654
02:59:46,240 --> 02:59:48,000
but I agree, Stephen, if I guess we can

4655
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:51,080
ask for a voluntary lien. Well, let's

4656
02:59:51,080 --> 02:59:53,160
maybe if if that's the route the

4657
02:59:53,160 --> 02:59:54,360
commission wants to go, we can talk

4658
02:59:54,360 --> 02:59:56,600
about that. Essentially, the request is

4659
02:59:56,600 --> 02:59:59,080
to return the 90 to return all funds

4660
02:59:59,080 --> 03:00:00,720
provided to the applicant, period.

4661
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:02,080
However, the county gets that back, we

4662
03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:03,880
can talk with the applicant if that's

4663
03:00:03,880 --> 03:00:05,360
the motion that wins today.

4664
03:00:05,360 --> 03:00:07,080
>> Okay. I can't Okay, I got you.

4665
03:00:07,080 --> 03:00:08,360
>> I have a problem with the brightness,

4666
03:00:08,360 --> 03:00:12,470
so, Andy.

4667
03:00:12,480 --> 03:00:17,160
I do. Okay. Well, I have funds in other places that I've been Okay, got

4668
03:00:17,160 --> 03:00:19,440
you. putting into this. So, no, I can

4669
03:00:19,440 --> 03:00:21,520
write a check tomorrow. Tonight, I don't

4670
03:00:21,520 --> 03:00:23,720
have the the uh print the account here

4671
03:00:23,720 --> 03:00:25,400
with me, but it's this account right

4672
03:00:25,400 --> 03:00:27,320
here, and I will

4673
03:00:27,320 --> 03:00:30,480
write it for 90,000 if that's makes if

4674
03:00:30,480 --> 03:00:33,440
it makes you move on and you know, move

4675
03:00:33,440 --> 03:00:34,800
forward.

4676
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:36,800
But Like I said, I know grants are a

4677
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:40,600
little tricky and I'm not trying to

4678
03:00:40,600 --> 03:00:41,600
I don't want to get into I guess I'm in

4679
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:42,680
your shoes. You want to go ahead and ask

4680
03:00:42,680 --> 03:00:43,920
your trouble here? Did you want to go,

4681
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:44,880
Mike?

4682
03:00:44,880 --> 03:00:46,840
I had a question, but

4683
03:00:46,840 --> 03:00:48,200
No, but she can make a motion. She can

4684
03:00:48,200 --> 03:00:49,720
make a motion. We can talk about it. I

4685
03:00:49,720 --> 03:00:51,400
can talk I move to revoke the grant

4686
03:00:51,400 --> 03:00:54,120
award to ABC Tavern LLC in the amount of

4687
03:00:54,120 --> 03:00:56,960
$90,000.

4688
03:00:56,960 --> 03:01:01,270
I'll second.

4689
03:01:01,280 --> 03:01:03,760
Keep it Keep it going.

4690
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:06,960
And um let's see. I mean, Brian,

4691
03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:08,400
go ahead and speak.

4692
03:01:08,400 --> 03:01:10,080
And you said I read that the I I have

4693
03:01:10,080 --> 03:01:12,600
application and um we went out to the uh

4694
03:01:12,600 --> 03:01:14,040
um

4695
03:01:14,040 --> 03:01:16,120
Canyon Spirit, you know, that was out

4696
03:01:16,120 --> 03:01:17,120
there. And that was the first time that

4697
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:18,400
I actually really saw that Oh, yeah,

4698
03:01:18,400 --> 03:01:20,360
that's where this this restaurant was

4699
03:01:20,360 --> 03:01:21,640
going to be. They have that whole new

4700
03:01:21,640 --> 03:01:23,400
thing. And just reading through your

4701
03:01:23,400 --> 03:01:24,960
application, I was really bummed that we

4702
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:27,120
don't get to have the bubble gum blowing

4703
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:29,080
contest. Right? That was the I can

4704
03:01:29,080 --> 03:01:31,240
hardly hear you. I said the bubble gum

4705
03:01:31,240 --> 03:01:33,320
blowing contest that you listed in that.

4706
03:01:33,320 --> 03:01:35,320
I mean, that sounded really fun. I I I

4707
03:01:35,320 --> 03:01:36,840
really do. I think it would be amazing

4708
03:01:36,840 --> 03:01:40,480
to see a restaurant out there. Um So,

4709
03:01:40,480 --> 03:01:41,960
why do you think I invested this kind of

4710
03:01:41,960 --> 03:01:42,680
money in it?

4711
03:01:42,680 --> 03:01:44,160
>> Yeah. And and I just had a couple

4712
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:46,800
questions real quick. Um this was the

4713
03:01:46,800 --> 03:01:48,960
STAR grant. And I'm I'm not

4714
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:50,040
I think this was before I was a

4715
03:01:50,040 --> 03:01:51,280
commissioner. Did you write these

4716
03:01:51,280 --> 03:01:53,320
contracts?

4717
03:01:53,320 --> 03:01:55,960
I wrote the STAR contract. Yeah.

4718
03:01:55,960 --> 03:01:57,480
And I I

4719
03:01:57,480 --> 03:01:58,240
did on three

4720
03:01:58,240 --> 03:02:00,000
>> like for all of us. Job

4721
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:01,760
>> I think he's asking Steven. Steven wrote

4722
03:02:01,760 --> 03:02:03,480
the contract. Steven, were you were you

4723
03:02:03,480 --> 03:02:06,120
the attorney that wrote the contract?

4724
03:02:06,120 --> 03:02:07,200
No.

4725
03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:09,040
Oh, okay. That's what I just was I was

4726
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:11,680
saying. And this was one that came

4727
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:14,200
This was This was This came from the TRT

4728
03:02:14,200 --> 03:02:16,520
right here. It came from Monday, but it

4729
03:02:16,520 --> 03:02:18,440
was previous It was the one that got

4730
03:02:18,440 --> 03:02:21,960
canceled by 426. And on economics Yeah,

4731
03:02:21,960 --> 03:02:23,800
the economics verification. Got it. I

4732
03:02:23,800 --> 03:02:25,360
just want to get the background. I was I

4733
03:02:25,360 --> 03:02:27,000
wasn't here when all this went down, so

4734
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:28,560
I'm just trying to First timeline, it

4735
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:30,480
was awarded, I believe, they were

4736
03:02:30,480 --> 03:02:32,520
awarded in December. They entered into

4737
03:02:32,520 --> 03:02:34,440
their contracts later, but the contracts

4738
03:02:34,440 --> 03:02:35,520
were

4739
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:37,280
um written and approved under County

4740
03:02:37,280 --> 03:02:40,320
Attorney, I believe. 202022

4741
03:02:40,320 --> 03:02:42,480
was the year that it was.

4742
03:02:42,480 --> 03:02:44,680
Okay. Thank you for that. But I didn't

4743
03:02:44,680 --> 03:02:47,240
get the I got the grant, but I didn't

4744
03:02:47,240 --> 03:02:50,920
get the funds until 2023.

4745
03:02:50,920 --> 03:02:54,360
May 17th, 2023, the intensive

4746
03:02:54,360 --> 03:02:55,960
TSSG

4747
03:02:55,960 --> 03:02:58,160
uh wouldn't turn my water on.

4748
03:02:58,160 --> 03:03:01,080
And my next question is, you know, if if

4749
03:03:01,080 --> 03:03:02,560
the county had written contract, I would

4750
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:04,680
just kind of ask, you know, why we

4751
03:03:04,680 --> 03:03:09,160
delivered these types of funds without the um

4752
03:03:09,160 --> 03:03:10,600
you know, the work being done. Why we we

4753
03:03:10,600 --> 03:03:12,760
front-loaded It was much cash out. It

4754
03:03:12,760 --> 03:03:14,560
was 90% the way the way it was

4755
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,000
structured, it was you were giving them

4756
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:18,640
90% to to to get a to get a start on

4757
03:03:18,640 --> 03:03:21,120
things. It was to stimulate

4758
03:03:21,120 --> 03:03:22,400
economic development, and then it was

4759
03:03:22,400 --> 03:03:24,760
10% on the back end.

4760
03:03:24,760 --> 03:03:25,640
Got it.

4761
03:03:25,640 --> 03:03:28,160
Okay. Cool. Thanks, Chuck. Yeah.

4762
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:29,000
Mike.

4763
03:03:29,000 --> 03:03:31,720
I'd like to make a secondary motion.

4764
03:03:31,720 --> 03:03:34,680
Or a Yeah, secondary motion.

4765
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:37,760
Uh I'd move to extend the contract by

4766
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:40,600
uh term by end of year

4767
03:03:40,600 --> 03:03:43,720
2026 to give the grantee

4768
03:03:43,720 --> 03:03:45,200
additional time to comply with the

4769
03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:48,160
contract with the caveat that the grant

4770
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:51,200
awarded to ABC Thompson LLC

4771
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:52,920
in the amount of $90,000 will be

4772
03:03:52,920 --> 03:03:55,360
returned upon failure of contract

4773
03:03:55,360 --> 03:03:57,960
completion.

4774
03:03:57,960 --> 03:04:00,720
Um um the contract completion she keeps

4775
03:04:00,720 --> 03:04:02,800
stating doesn't require her to open her

4776
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:05,120
doors. So, I think you need to clarify

4777
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:07,640
that you want the doors open if that's

4778
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:10,120
what you mean. Steven has said that the

4779
03:04:10,120 --> 03:04:12,760
doors are the business functioning. What

4780
03:04:12,760 --> 03:04:14,720
was the exact term used there, Steve?

4781
03:04:14,720 --> 03:04:17,040
Okay. So, couple couple thoughts. If

4782
03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:18,280
it's the commission's intent to

4783
03:04:18,280 --> 03:04:20,040
re-engage in a contract and extend out

4784
03:04:20,040 --> 03:04:22,000
the period of time, I'm more than happy

4785
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:23,280
to work with the applicant to get the

4786
03:04:23,280 --> 03:04:25,680
language done if you guys indicate

4787
03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:26,680
that's what you want to see as a

4788
03:04:26,680 --> 03:04:28,920
contract amendment. We can do that.

4789
03:04:28,920 --> 03:04:31,680
However, what I'm what I'm requesting

4790
03:04:31,680 --> 03:04:34,680
that the commission require is that the

4791
03:04:34,680 --> 03:04:37,920
applicant provide a site plan. That's

4792
03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:40,160
we we need to have a date where that is

4793
03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:42,280
due because we keep having these

4794
03:04:42,280 --> 03:04:43,920
meetings and the site plan keeps not

4795
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:44,880
being

4796
03:04:44,880 --> 03:04:47,240
provided and and that's the thing that

4797
03:04:47,240 --> 03:04:49,080
we originally set the the meeting at the

4798
03:04:49,080 --> 03:04:51,520
beginning of this year to achieve

4799
03:04:51,520 --> 03:04:53,560
even despite our best efforts

4800
03:04:53,560 --> 03:04:55,040
that never happened.

4801
03:04:55,040 --> 03:04:56,520
So, if the commission's intent is to

4802
03:04:56,520 --> 03:04:58,280
say, "Hey, we want you guys to take

4803
03:04:58,280 --> 03:04:59,720
another look at this,

4804
03:04:59,720 --> 03:05:01,760
do an amendment to the contract and and

4805
03:05:01,760 --> 03:05:04,120
sit down and and really set a deadline

4806
03:05:04,120 --> 03:05:05,600
for that

4807
03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:07,760
to be done, we can do that. Um but

4808
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:09,720
without a hard deadline for that site

4809
03:05:09,720 --> 03:05:11,240
plan

4810
03:05:11,240 --> 03:05:12,920
I think we're going to find ourselves

4811
03:05:12,920 --> 03:05:14,440
back here in

4812
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:15,560
a handful.

4813
03:05:15,560 --> 03:05:17,800
Question, that site plan is required uh

4814
03:05:17,800 --> 03:05:20,240
for the business to open up according to

4815
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:22,280
the contract?

4816
03:05:22,280 --> 03:05:24,440
It's the next step in the plan in the

4817
03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:26,200
process that the planning The planning

4818
03:05:26,200 --> 03:05:28,560
has to sign off on it to open the doors.

4819
03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:30,440
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the next step.

4820
03:05:30,440 --> 03:05:32,960
It's it's already within that timeline

4821
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:34,360
of the end of the year. Building

4822
03:05:34,360 --> 03:05:37,280
department has the site plan, but it's

4823
03:05:37,280 --> 03:05:38,600
not on computer.

4824
03:05:38,600 --> 03:05:39,840
>> Then we'll get him another one. I'll

4825
03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:42,520
help you do it. Okay.

4826
03:05:42,520 --> 03:05:44,880
Yeah, because I But we only have to my

4827
03:05:44,880 --> 03:05:46,760
motion, I only have to the end of the

4828
03:05:46,760 --> 03:05:49,910
year.

4829
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:52,120
It's just that need to have the site

4830
03:05:52,120 --> 03:05:55,160
plan in your motion. It sounds like from

4831
03:05:55,160 --> 03:05:56,680
Steve, Mike.

4832
03:05:56,680 --> 03:05:58,520
You need to mention that say a new site

4833
03:05:58,520 --> 03:06:01,000
plan. has to be done such and such a

4834
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:05,070
time.

4835
03:06:05,080 --> 03:06:06,520
I thought that was encompassed in the

4836
03:06:06,520 --> 03:06:08,320
year date end date.

4837
03:06:08,320 --> 03:06:10,240
A site plan.

4838
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:13,080
It's part of the doors opening.

4839
03:06:13,080 --> 03:06:15,360
Be very specific. Here's here's going to

4840
03:06:15,360 --> 03:06:17,360
be the difficulty again. It's part of a

4841
03:06:17,360 --> 03:06:19,680
bigger process. The site plan is just

4842
03:06:19,680 --> 03:06:21,360
the next step. There there are more

4843
03:06:21,360 --> 03:06:22,760
things that will be need to be done

4844
03:06:22,760 --> 03:06:25,800
before this is open. I mean, in a

4845
03:06:25,800 --> 03:06:27,720
perfect world and and Chrissy Chrissy,

4846
03:06:27,720 --> 03:06:30,200
let me know on on my time frame. I'm

4847
03:06:30,200 --> 03:06:32,560
thinking that if she provided the site

4848
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:33,720
plan,

4849
03:06:33,720 --> 03:06:36,560
you're still going to need

4850
03:06:36,560 --> 03:06:38,960
another 90 to 120 days to finalize

4851
03:06:38,960 --> 03:06:40,760
everything.

4852
03:06:40,760 --> 03:06:42,480
Is that is that too generous on the time

4853
03:06:42,480 --> 03:06:45,120
frame or or too restrictive, Chrissy?

4854
03:06:45,120 --> 03:06:47,960
Well, so a a site plan would would

4855
03:06:47,960 --> 03:06:50,360
be sent and then um I there will be a

4856
03:06:50,360 --> 03:06:51,760
DRT

4857
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:53,200
um

4858
03:06:53,200 --> 03:06:56,680
a meeting. I mean, I would say

4859
03:06:56,680 --> 03:06:59,120
optimistically, the planning process is

4860
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:01,040
going to be 3 months.

4861
03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:04,280
Yeah. Um and that is if this happens

4862
03:07:04,280 --> 03:07:06,040
immediately. Like if we get the site The

4863
03:07:06,040 --> 03:07:07,840
site plan that I've seen the site plan

4864
03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:10,000
that has been provided to me

4865
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:11,760
is not what the planning commission or

4866
03:07:11,760 --> 03:07:14,760
the planning department needs. Um I'm

4867
03:07:14,760 --> 03:07:16,440
assuming that to get that site plan,

4868
03:07:16,440 --> 03:07:18,560
it's going to be 6 weeks. You hire

4869
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:21,480
someone or or like a month to 6 weeks.

4870
03:07:21,480 --> 03:07:23,560
They're going to draft your site plan.

4871
03:07:23,560 --> 03:07:25,560
It's going to be sent to you know, go

4872
03:07:25,560 --> 03:07:26,800
through DRT. It's going to be sent to

4873
03:07:26,800 --> 03:07:28,120
Shums Coda.

4874
03:07:28,120 --> 03:07:30,320
And then um they can begin to get your

4875
03:07:30,320 --> 03:07:34,080
building permits and etc. etc. Um

4876
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:37,040
that's going to be

4877
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:41,280
3 months very optimistically. Um

4878
03:07:41,280 --> 03:07:43,600
and then it would be, you know, getting

4879
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:48,160
a septic tank in there, getting I mean I don't think that

4880
03:07:48,160 --> 03:07:49,640
I don't see that there's any way that

4881
03:07:49,640 --> 03:07:51,720
the the restaurant will be to by the end

4882
03:07:51,720 --> 03:07:56,360
of the year. Um maybe, I don't but it to

4883
03:07:56,360 --> 03:07:58,480
me it that seems really optimistic that

4884
03:07:58,480 --> 03:07:59,880
the restaurant would be open by

4885
03:07:59,880 --> 03:08:01,800
December. But if you if that's what you

4886
03:08:01,800 --> 03:08:02,480
guys want to do

4887
03:08:02,480 --> 03:08:04,680
>> I hope it's by March.

4888
03:08:04,680 --> 03:08:07,560
Uh Yeah. I think that I think that maybe

4889
03:08:07,560 --> 03:08:09,520
the contract could include the timeline,

4890
03:08:09,520 --> 03:08:12,280
Steven. Uh the contract amendment could

4891
03:08:12,280 --> 03:08:14,400
include the timeline in that. If the

4892
03:08:14,400 --> 03:08:18,840
commission's okay with us drafting the the contract amendment, then we can

4893
03:08:18,840 --> 03:08:21,120
move forward with the commission in turn

4894
03:08:21,120 --> 03:08:22,680
uh to finalize the document. We'll have

4895
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:24,840
the chair ratify it and

4896
03:08:24,840 --> 03:08:26,960
uh work work out the logistics with the

4897
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:29,950
applicant.

4898
03:08:29,960 --> 03:08:31,880
And so Steven, you would just make sure

4899
03:08:31,880 --> 03:08:34,760
that the contract will be having a site

4900
03:08:34,760 --> 03:08:37,320
plan, correct? Yeah, Chris and Chris and

4901
03:08:37,320 --> 03:08:39,360
I would work to set different benchmarks

4902
03:08:39,360 --> 03:08:41,040
to help encourage compliance throughout

4903
03:08:41,040 --> 03:08:42,760
the process to get it moving through the

4904
03:08:42,760 --> 03:08:44,680
end of the year.

4905
03:08:44,680 --> 03:08:47,800
So can I use the same Jim Dressler's

4906
03:08:47,800 --> 03:08:50,520
site plan with an amended amendment of

4907
03:08:50,520 --> 03:08:53,440
stuff that And you need to use

4908
03:08:53,440 --> 03:08:55,680
You have the um

4909
03:08:55,680 --> 03:08:59,040
Okay. So his isn't good anymore.

4910
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:02,040
That one is good. Yeah.

4911
03:09:02,040 --> 03:09:03,520
I'm going to I'm trying to draft the

4912
03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:05,280
motion. Yeah.

4913
03:09:05,280 --> 03:09:07,550
Okay.

4914
03:09:07,560 --> 03:09:08,600
And if that's the goal of the

4915
03:09:08,600 --> 03:09:09,800
commission, we might be able to just

4916
03:09:09,800 --> 03:09:12,480
move forward with the the vote and move

4917
03:09:12,480 --> 03:09:13,840
it along. I mean, I think we're going to

4918
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:15,640
have a substantial number of questions

4919
03:09:15,640 --> 03:09:20,870
between the applicant and my office.

4920
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:23,240
Okay. Did we get a second on yours? I'll

4921
03:09:23,240 --> 03:09:27,240
second all of these stuff. I'll second on the motion. Okay, we're going

4922
03:09:27,240 --> 03:09:29,920
to go ahead and call for a vote. Who

4923
03:09:29,920 --> 03:09:32,360
voted against You um You we state the

4924
03:09:32,360 --> 03:09:33,680
motion.

4925
03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:36,280
All of Steven's stuff.

4926
03:09:36,280 --> 03:09:36,960
End of the year.

4927
03:09:36,960 --> 03:09:38,800
>> It's like what I think the motion says

4928
03:09:38,800 --> 03:09:39,760
is

4929
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:41,240
from what I'm understanding you're

4930
03:09:41,240 --> 03:09:45,040
wanting us to make uh Steven is to uh

4931
03:09:45,040 --> 03:09:48,120
move forward with a new contract with

4932
03:09:48,120 --> 03:09:50,720
deadlines that have to be made.

4933
03:09:50,720 --> 03:09:52,880
And I think part of that contract will

4934
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:55,760
be if these things aren't if each

4935
03:09:55,760 --> 03:09:59,080
milestone isn't made, then then the

4936
03:09:59,080 --> 03:10:01,280
money will be asked to be brought given

4937
03:10:01,280 --> 03:10:02,520
back.

4938
03:10:02,520 --> 03:10:04,400
Is that what you're thinking?

4939
03:10:04,400 --> 03:10:06,040
And make sure

4940
03:10:06,040 --> 03:10:07,600
to develop a new contract

4941
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:09,920
>> He's going to strike this. Yes, so Brian

4942
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:11,040
going to make substitute motion. We're

4943
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:12,600
going to see if it fits everything that

4944
03:10:12,600 --> 03:10:14,560
Stephen needs in it, okay?

4945
03:10:14,560 --> 03:10:16,520
I motion to extend the contract for the

4946
03:10:16,520 --> 03:10:20,640
term of December 31st, 2026

4947
03:10:20,640 --> 03:10:23,880
to give the grantee additional time

4948
03:10:23,880 --> 03:10:26,760
to comply with the site plan

4949
03:10:26,760 --> 03:10:28,520
or

4950
03:10:28,520 --> 03:10:30,560
return any

4951
03:10:30,560 --> 03:10:32,120
return

4952
03:10:32,120 --> 03:10:37,240
the grant fund amount of $90,000.

4953
03:10:37,240 --> 03:10:39,600
By a due What do I have a time frame?

4954
03:10:39,600 --> 03:10:40,960
>> You said it's for the for the return of

4955
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:42,040
the money?

4956
03:10:42,040 --> 03:10:43,440
I think that the return of the money or

4957
03:10:43,440 --> 03:10:45,360
the site plan would be due December

4958
03:10:45,360 --> 03:10:48,160
31st, 2026.

4959
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:50,960
Does that Does that hit it?

4960
03:10:50,960 --> 03:10:52,720
No. If it hits it with that,

4961
03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:54,600
guys. The site plan is just another

4962
03:10:54,600 --> 03:10:57,240
step. It doesn't get hurt to the open I

4963
03:10:57,240 --> 03:10:58,840
think we'll have to go ahead and

4964
03:10:58,840 --> 03:11:00,760
drop that.

4965
03:11:00,760 --> 03:11:04,040
I think what we do is say that uh

4966
03:11:04,040 --> 03:11:06,120
we postpone

4967
03:11:06,120 --> 03:11:10,840
until we have a new contract

4968
03:11:10,840 --> 03:11:14,360
written for us to look at and approve.

4969
03:11:14,360 --> 03:11:15,600
That so that

4970
03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:17,680
Can we do that, Stephen? Just postpone

4971
03:11:17,680 --> 03:11:18,880
this.

4972
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:22,680
And and direct staff to get a contract.

4973
03:11:22,680 --> 03:11:24,520
I think you see most of our intent on

4974
03:11:24,520 --> 03:11:25,800
that one.

4975
03:11:25,800 --> 03:11:27,680
Is that what we wanted to do?

4976
03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:30,160
I I can I can do any of those any of

4977
03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:31,760
those options. I

4978
03:11:31,760 --> 03:11:34,360
Yeah. And the only the only to to come

4979
03:11:34,360 --> 03:11:39,080
up with until you sit down and kind of

4980
03:11:39,080 --> 03:11:41,320
made a map of what's happening, I don't

4981
03:11:41,320 --> 03:11:42,800
think we could make a motion that would

4982
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:44,880
fit that, but we can make a motion to

4983
03:11:44,880 --> 03:11:47,160
postpone and have a contract back

4984
03:11:47,160 --> 03:11:48,760
brought back to us.

4985
03:11:48,760 --> 03:11:50,360
Would that work?

4986
03:11:50,360 --> 03:11:52,200
I'll second Mary's motion, if that was a

4987
03:11:52,200 --> 03:11:53,240
motion.

4988
03:11:53,240 --> 03:11:55,760
Yes, I make a motion that we postpone

4989
03:11:55,760 --> 03:11:57,240
and have

4990
03:11:57,240 --> 03:11:59,880
a contract brought back to us

4991
03:11:59,880 --> 03:12:01,800
uh

4992
03:12:01,800 --> 03:12:03,840
in a timely fashion.

4993
03:12:03,840 --> 03:12:07,440
This intent Sure, I'll second that.

4994
03:12:07,440 --> 03:12:10,120
He's gone. Okay, all in favor?

4995
03:12:10,120 --> 03:12:12,000
I.

4996
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:13,800
Opposed?

4997
03:12:13,800 --> 03:12:14,560
Okay.

4998
03:12:14,560 --> 03:12:17,040
That passes 7-6-1 with Michelle

4999
03:12:17,040 --> 03:12:18,400
abstaining. So

5000
03:12:18,400 --> 03:12:20,600
Thank you. You have a list of um site

5001
03:12:20,600 --> 03:12:21,760
plans.

5002
03:12:21,760 --> 03:12:22,800
Good luck writing all this down. I have

5003
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:24,280
a list of my plans. Bring it back. I'll

5004
03:12:24,280 --> 03:12:29,083
make a phone call tomorrow morning.

5005
03:12:29,093 --> 03:12:31,120
» [clears throat]

5006
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:36,750
» No, you don't. We're going to move on to

5007
03:12:36,760 --> 03:12:37,920
Mike's going to help you find somebody

5008
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:39,400
to do your site plan. Yeah. He said he

5009
03:12:39,400 --> 03:12:41,440
was really Thanks.

5010
03:12:41,440 --> 03:12:42,920
That's what I need. I got about three

5011
03:12:42,920 --> 03:12:43,920
people Okay.

5012
03:12:43,920 --> 03:12:46,120
>> I can think of right now that are

5013
03:12:46,120 --> 03:12:47,640
looking for projects

5014
03:12:47,640 --> 03:12:48,680
and

5015
03:12:48,680 --> 03:12:52,320
Utah architectural uh

5016
03:12:52,320 --> 03:12:52,640
Perfect.

5017
03:12:52,640 --> 03:12:53,720
>> qualify. Perfect.

5018
03:12:53,720 --> 03:12:55,520
>> How long dated? I don't know.

5019
03:12:55,520 --> 03:12:57,560
You have to text me in Utah. Okay. Do

5020
03:12:57,560 --> 03:12:59,240
you want my business I have to mean go

5021
03:12:59,240 --> 03:13:01,680
out and give her some My business card.

5022
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:03,480
I will give you my contact information

5023
03:13:03,480 --> 03:13:05,600
in mere minutes. Okay.

5024
03:13:05,600 --> 03:13:08,240
The next one is the ordinance

5025
03:13:08,240 --> 03:13:11,320
for Grand County's clean energy program.

5026
03:13:11,320 --> 03:13:12,600
And this is something that I've been

5027
03:13:12,600 --> 03:13:14,920
working on for the whole time that I've

5028
03:13:14,920 --> 03:13:17,280
been on the commission and I think that

5029
03:13:17,280 --> 03:13:19,520
I've been updating all of you along the

5030
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:21,320
way and you already like our

5031
03:13:21,320 --> 03:13:22,560
commissioners that were here prior

5032
03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:24,480
obviously knew what was going on

5033
03:13:24,480 --> 03:13:25,760
with that.

5034
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:29,040
So I I think I put a really good summary of

5035
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:31,520
what's going on. Um

5036
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:32,920
Did I put the slides? I don't know if I

5037
03:13:32,920 --> 03:13:35,200
have the slides in the packet.

5038
03:13:35,200 --> 03:13:37,880
If anyone has any questions, I'm just

5039
03:13:37,880 --> 03:13:39,400
waiting.

5040
03:13:39,400 --> 03:13:42,840
Yes, can I can I speak?

5041
03:13:42,840 --> 03:13:44,680
Yes.

5042
03:13:44,680 --> 03:13:48,040
I want to begin with by saying uh

5043
03:13:48,040 --> 03:13:49,880
Melody, thank you very much for taking

5044
03:13:49,880 --> 03:13:51,280
this on.

5045
03:13:51,280 --> 03:13:54,120
I I was part of it beginning and it was

5046
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:57,360
a very complicated and and

5047
03:13:57,360 --> 03:14:00,360
involved process and I appreciate that

5048
03:14:00,360 --> 03:14:01,880
you were

5049
03:14:01,880 --> 03:14:04,440
you know, tackled it and I would like to

5050
03:14:04,440 --> 03:14:06,520
make a motion motion to I move to

5051
03:14:06,520 --> 03:14:09,120
approve the ordinance enacting the Grand

5052
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:13,320
County Community Clean Energy Program.

5053
03:14:13,320 --> 03:14:14,760
Thank you, Mary, and I'll second to

5054
03:14:14,760 --> 03:14:16,040
that.

5055
03:14:16,040 --> 03:14:18,320
Is there any other discussion?

5056
03:14:18,320 --> 03:14:19,520
Brian? [clears throat]

5057
03:14:19,520 --> 03:14:22,200
I just like to reiterate what Mary had

5058
03:14:22,200 --> 03:14:23,440
said.

5059
03:14:23,440 --> 03:14:26,920
Um, I know that that Melody, when you first took this on right here

5060
03:14:26,920 --> 03:14:29,120
that you were you were this was not one

5061
03:14:29,120 --> 03:14:30,920
of your main interest or it was not

5062
03:14:30,920 --> 03:14:32,080
something that you had a lot of

5063
03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:33,840
knowledge in it. And I know that you

5064
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:36,120
spent a lot of time getting yourself up

5065
03:14:36,120 --> 03:14:37,960
to speed and becoming very knowledgeable

5066
03:14:37,960 --> 03:14:41,080
in this and and and you did great work.

5067
03:14:41,080 --> 03:14:42,520
When we were up

5068
03:14:42,520 --> 03:14:44,280
at the legislature this year speaking

5069
03:14:44,280 --> 03:14:47,200
with both Hankins and Monson, they

5070
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:48,440
mentioned, you know, the amount of

5071
03:14:48,440 --> 03:14:50,520
communication that you had back and

5072
03:14:50,520 --> 03:14:53,440
forth trying to get this passed with the

5073
03:14:53,440 --> 03:14:55,960
opt out rather than the opt in. I know

5074
03:14:55,960 --> 03:14:57,440
that that was

5075
03:14:57,440 --> 03:14:58,800
one of the sticking points of getting

5076
03:14:58,800 --> 03:15:00,360
this through. So, I just want to

5077
03:15:00,360 --> 03:15:02,280
congratulate you you on all the work

5078
03:15:02,280 --> 03:15:06,550
that you did on that. So, thank you.

5079
03:15:06,560 --> 03:15:07,360
No.

5080
03:15:07,360 --> 03:15:09,400
Yes, also actually I started this,

5081
03:15:09,400 --> 03:15:12,200
passed it off to Melody. When she came

5082
03:15:12,200 --> 03:15:14,480
on as a commissioner still was working

5083
03:15:14,480 --> 03:15:16,360
with Summit County on this. I can't even

5084
03:15:16,360 --> 03:15:17,960
remember the lady's name that was in

5085
03:15:17,960 --> 03:15:20,320
charge of it up there. Emily. Emily,

5086
03:15:20,320 --> 03:15:22,200
there she go. But yes, I think this is a

5087
03:15:22,200 --> 03:15:24,440
good program. I know we've had multiple

5088
03:15:24,440 --> 03:15:27,320
emails that have come in in support of

5089
03:15:27,320 --> 03:15:28,800
this. I think we

5090
03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:31,000
had one person said they were willing to

5091
03:15:31,000 --> 03:15:32,680
pay more

5092
03:15:32,680 --> 03:15:35,600
than they than the allotted amount.

5093
03:15:35,600 --> 03:15:37,920
Um so it's clearly got some interest in

5094
03:15:37,920 --> 03:15:40,880
a good way and I think with the

5095
03:15:40,880 --> 03:15:44,160
option to opt out for people that do not

5096
03:15:44,160 --> 03:15:48,880
want to support it, why that that gives people a way out if they

5097
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:50,840
don't want to be a part of it. So I'm

5098
03:15:50,840 --> 03:15:52,920
very supportive of it.

5099
03:15:52,920 --> 03:15:53,960
Yes.

5100
03:15:53,960 --> 03:15:55,520
Stephen has his hand up. Stephen, go

5101
03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:57,760
ahead. And chair, just just a quick

5102
03:15:57,760 --> 03:16:00,080
note, these are probably de minimus

5103
03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:04,040
expenses on the contract on 7.2.

5104
03:16:04,040 --> 03:16:05,520
It lists out the obligations for the

5105
03:16:05,520 --> 03:16:08,000
county. It says the county shall pay for

5106
03:16:08,000 --> 03:16:09,680
the third party

5107
03:16:09,680 --> 03:16:11,880
uh

5108
03:16:11,880 --> 03:16:13,600
expertise contracted in connection with

5109
03:16:13,600 --> 03:16:15,360
the program's development and initial

5110
03:16:15,360 --> 03:16:17,920
approval by the commission and then

5111
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:20,400
proportional costs associated with the

5112
03:16:20,400 --> 03:16:23,440
RMP providing the notices to Grand

5113
03:16:23,440 --> 03:16:25,440
County's customers and then the

5114
03:16:25,440 --> 03:16:27,920
termination costs not paid by a

5115
03:16:27,920 --> 03:16:29,840
participating customer.

5116
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:31,480
I I don't know if there's an estimate or

5117
03:16:31,480 --> 03:16:33,320
if other counties have seen the costs.

5118
03:16:33,320 --> 03:16:35,320
Again, they might be de minimus or they

5119
03:16:35,320 --> 03:16:37,080
might be smaller amounts. I'm just

5120
03:16:37,080 --> 03:16:39,240
noting those for the commission.

5121
03:16:39,240 --> 03:16:40,440
And I I don't know how much they would

5122
03:16:40,440 --> 03:16:45,070
be.

5123
03:16:45,080 --> 03:16:47,120
That was a lot of word salad there.

5124
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:47,840
Uh

5125
03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:49,760
does that mean county's going to pay for

5126
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:52,040
people who opt out? Mhm.

5127
03:16:52,040 --> 03:16:54,640
No. That Okay. Just want to make sure of

5128
03:16:54,640 --> 03:16:55,920
that.

5129
03:16:55,920 --> 03:16:58,120
No, it's just it's in in certain

5130
03:16:58,120 --> 03:16:59,920
circumstances like

5131
03:16:59,920 --> 03:17:02,280
it's on page eight of the contract

5132
03:17:02,280 --> 03:17:06,080
section seven 7.2.3.

5133
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:08,200
Termination charges not paid by a

5134
03:17:08,200 --> 03:17:11,160
participating customer shall be incurred

5135
03:17:11,160 --> 03:17:13,280
or shall be included in the uh

5136
03:17:13,280 --> 03:17:14,880
participating customer rates. That won't

5137
03:17:14,880 --> 03:17:16,960
be paid by the county, but then the

5138
03:17:16,960 --> 03:17:19,800
items above it, those three items

5139
03:17:19,800 --> 03:17:22,320
um pay proportional costs associated

5140
03:17:22,320 --> 03:17:25,320
with RMP providing the notices to Grand

5141
03:17:25,320 --> 03:17:27,480
County's customers as discussed in

5142
03:17:27,480 --> 03:17:29,520
section two above. But I was just noting

5143
03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:30,680
those things

5144
03:17:30,680 --> 03:17:32,440
for the county. I don't know exactly how

5145
03:17:32,440 --> 03:17:34,400
much those are.

5146
03:17:34,400 --> 03:17:35,880
I think that's the mailer that will go

5147
03:17:35,880 --> 03:17:39,680
out to the customers to notifying them

5148
03:17:39,680 --> 03:17:43,000
when it's that 90-day or the 90-day time

5149
03:17:43,000 --> 03:17:44,680
frame that they're going to be so it's a

5150
03:17:44,680 --> 03:17:46,920
it's going to be a mailing cost.

5151
03:17:46,920 --> 03:17:51,040
And I did see the city's

5152
03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:53,040
mailing cost. I think they figured out

5153
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:56,280
about $2,000.

5154
03:17:56,280 --> 03:17:58,360
Okay. Yeah, and sometimes sometimes when

5155
03:17:58,360 --> 03:18:01,360
the treasurer or the clerk send out some

5156
03:18:01,360 --> 03:18:03,040
of the notifications, there's a way that

5157
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:05,600
they've piggybacked them on other items

5158
03:18:05,600 --> 03:18:07,800
to save money as well. And so if there

5159
03:18:07,800 --> 03:18:11,160
is already a notice that that worked out

5160
03:18:11,160 --> 03:18:14,590
that can be sent out.

5161
03:18:14,600 --> 03:18:17,040
Okay. Mary has her hand up, too.

5162
03:18:17,040 --> 03:18:18,640
Okay, I just yeah, want to move the

5163
03:18:18,640 --> 03:18:20,600
meeting on, but I wanted to say this has

5164
03:18:20,600 --> 03:18:22,640
really been a very, very long process.

5165
03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:25,680
It started under Zachariah Levine and

5166
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:27,920
myself and we worked on it and then when

5167
03:18:27,920 --> 03:18:31,280
Sarah Stocks came on, she with her

5168
03:18:31,280 --> 03:18:34,120
scientific background and such, she

5169
03:18:34,120 --> 03:18:36,760
really started moving it forward. I

5170
03:18:36,760 --> 03:18:39,480
mean, it's taken This is one of those

5171
03:18:39,480 --> 03:18:43,120
things that it's taken a belly gin a

5172
03:18:43,120 --> 03:18:46,400
sense to come to fruition. And Melody,

5173
03:18:46,400 --> 03:18:48,160
thank you for bringing it across the

5174
03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:52,030
finish line.

5175
03:18:52,040 --> 03:18:53,600
So yes, we will have to send out those

5176
03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:55,240
mailers. So we'll figure out how to how

5177
03:18:55,240 --> 03:18:57,240
do you do that?

5178
03:18:57,240 --> 03:18:59,600
And it is opt-out program. So those that

5179
03:18:59,600 --> 03:19:01,360
don't want to be involved with it and it

5180
03:19:01,360 --> 03:19:04,400
is create the purpose of it is to create

5181
03:19:04,400 --> 03:19:06,800
new energy. It's not just like people

5182
03:19:06,800 --> 03:19:09,040
that have solar panels,

5183
03:19:09,040 --> 03:19:10,840
they wouldn't be included in this. So

5184
03:19:10,840 --> 03:19:12,200
they already have their own clean

5185
03:19:12,200 --> 03:19:14,680
energies and they're not on that power

5186
03:19:14,680 --> 03:19:16,480
grid right now. So they wouldn't be

5187
03:19:16,480 --> 03:19:19,480
paying this $4 on their their bill. Just

5188
03:19:19,480 --> 03:19:22,200
regular power customers that don't opt

5189
03:19:22,200 --> 03:19:23,440
out.

5190
03:19:23,440 --> 03:19:26,080
This gives everybody the option. So, all

5191
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:29,520
right. So, we had a Do we have a motion?

5192
03:19:29,520 --> 03:19:31,080
Yes. [clears throat] Yeah. I got it.

5193
03:19:31,080 --> 03:19:34,160
Motion by Mary and a second by Bill.

5194
03:19:34,160 --> 03:19:35,320
Okay.

5195
03:19:35,320 --> 03:19:38,160
All in favor?

5196
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:39,720
All right. I.

5197
03:19:39,720 --> 03:19:42,240
It passes 7-0. Thank you.

5198
03:19:42,240 --> 03:19:43,400
And I'm sure there'll be plenty more

5199
03:19:43,400 --> 03:19:46,040
work to do in that group.

5200
03:19:46,040 --> 03:19:48,880
So, the work is not over, but thank you.

5201
03:19:48,880 --> 03:19:50,280
And number 12 is the

5202
03:19:50,280 --> 03:19:52,120
appointment of commissioners to the boat

5203
03:19:52,120 --> 03:19:53,960
ramp working group.

5204
03:19:53,960 --> 03:19:56,240
Yes, this is

5205
03:19:56,240 --> 03:19:59,120
um an item that pertains directly to the

5206
03:19:59,120 --> 03:20:01,560
Moab boat ramp uh close to the

5207
03:20:01,560 --> 03:20:03,440
pedestrian bridge.

5208
03:20:03,440 --> 03:20:06,000
There's a working group that is being

5209
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:09,680
put together and that group will assess

5210
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:11,640
the viability and funding sources to

5211
03:20:11,640 --> 03:20:14,720
complete the project. Um

5212
03:20:14,720 --> 03:20:16,640
our recommendation is to appoint two

5213
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:19,080
commissioners to that board.

5214
03:20:19,080 --> 03:20:22,000
Um it will be

5215
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:24,760
other partners will be BLM, National

5216
03:20:24,760 --> 03:20:27,080
Park Service, U dot,

5217
03:20:27,080 --> 03:20:29,040
City of Moab, Utah State Parks, just to

5218
03:20:29,040 --> 03:20:30,720
name a few. So,

5219
03:20:30,720 --> 03:20:34,000
this may very well be um

5220
03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:36,640
a little bit of a lengthy process or a

5221
03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:39,240
lot of applicants and

5222
03:20:39,240 --> 03:20:41,400
stakeholders. So, I think it would be

5223
03:20:41,400 --> 03:20:43,680
good to have two commissioners.

5224
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:45,920
Go ahead, set up and then shock.

5225
03:20:45,920 --> 03:20:47,600
Um

5226
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:50,680
the motion says to approve the

5227
03:20:50,680 --> 03:20:52,680
assignment of

5228
03:20:52,680 --> 03:20:56,000
commissioner as in singular.

5229
03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:59,200
Um so, I was going to make the motion

5230
03:20:59,200 --> 03:21:00,960
based off of that for Commissioner

5231
03:21:00,960 --> 03:21:03,640
Martinez with his river experience, but

5232
03:21:03,640 --> 03:21:05,000
if there's somebody else that has a

5233
03:21:05,000 --> 03:21:07,480
desire to participate, I'll make the

5234
03:21:07,480 --> 03:21:09,040
motion

5235
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:11,560
to add a second one. I would love to

5236
03:21:11,560 --> 03:21:13,400
participate. I mean, I feel like I've

5237
03:21:13,400 --> 03:21:15,200
written a couple grants now with um

5238
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:18,000
outdoor rec and and would be happy to

5239
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:20,200
help, right? You know, I'd love to be

5240
03:21:20,200 --> 03:21:25,240
involved in this. And was around with Alyssa and John when they, you

5241
03:21:25,240 --> 03:21:28,040
know, put that site plan together and so

5242
03:21:28,040 --> 03:21:29,600
I if you're psyched if you're good with

5243
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:32,000
that, Brian, I I'd be psyched.

5244
03:21:32,000 --> 03:21:34,440
I move to approve the assignment of

5245
03:21:34,440 --> 03:21:36,920
Commissioner Hadene and Commissioner

5246
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:40,800
Martinez to the boat ramp working.

5247
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:43,120
Second. Okay, we have a first And then

5248
03:21:43,120 --> 03:21:45,800
did you have a comment, Zack? No. Okay.

5249
03:21:45,800 --> 03:21:47,120
I was going to make that motion, but

5250
03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:48,720
Bill beat me to it. All right, do we

5251
03:21:48,720 --> 03:21:50,520
have any more discussion? Just real

5252
03:21:50,520 --> 03:21:51,840
quick, I just want to thank

5253
03:21:51,840 --> 03:21:54,040
uh Christian administration for carrying

5254
03:21:54,040 --> 03:21:56,280
this on and getting us here.

5255
03:21:56,280 --> 03:21:57,840
Um I think this is something that that

5256
03:21:57,840 --> 03:21:59,520
folks here in Grand County been wanting

5257
03:21:59,520 --> 03:22:01,720
for a long time. So, it's it's great to

5258
03:22:01,720 --> 03:22:03,440
see some access and I can't think of a

5259
03:22:03,440 --> 03:22:05,920
better timing than right now, especially

5260
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:07,280
with what's happening up at Flaming

5261
03:22:07,280 --> 03:22:09,160
Gorge. I think there's going to be a lot

5262
03:22:09,160 --> 03:22:11,680
of talk with the funding of that boater

5263
03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:12,920
access

5264
03:22:12,920 --> 03:22:14,880
um for ramps. That's that's going to be

5265
03:22:14,880 --> 03:22:17,160
coming up, so. And and Mr. Hall, our

5266
03:22:17,160 --> 03:22:19,120
associate administrator,

5267
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:21,520
has been instrumental and and he'll be

5268
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:23,600
involved as well. So, we appreciate

5269
03:22:23,600 --> 03:22:24,880
>> This meeting's on the 27th and you

5270
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:25,200
already

5271
03:22:25,200 --> 03:22:27,360
>> Put it down already. Got it. Thank you

5272
03:22:27,360 --> 03:22:28,425
guys.

5273
03:22:28,425 --> 03:22:28,520
>> [clears throat]

5274
03:22:28,520 --> 03:22:30,520
>> All right, all in favor?

5275
03:22:30,520 --> 03:22:31,640
I.

5276
03:22:31,640 --> 03:22:33,240
All right, that passes 7-0. Thank you.

5277
03:22:33,240 --> 03:22:35,880
Okay, now we're going to go back to H

5278
03:22:35,880 --> 03:22:39,080
on our consent agenda, the Moab Office

5279
03:22:39,080 --> 03:22:42,280
of Tourism contract renewal with Camp

5280
03:22:42,280 --> 03:22:44,800
Stories Public Relations. I believe that

5281
03:22:44,800 --> 03:22:46,280
this has not gone through legal, so if

5282
03:22:46,280 --> 03:22:49,800
we pass it, we need to say pending legal

5283
03:22:49,800 --> 03:22:52,960
as well as pending um

5284
03:22:52,960 --> 03:22:55,200
that it's gone through

5285
03:22:55,200 --> 03:22:57,960
our purchasing

5286
03:22:57,960 --> 03:23:00,360
policy.

5287
03:23:00,360 --> 03:23:01,480
Go ahead, Brian.

5288
03:23:01,480 --> 03:23:03,320
I move to approve the Moab Office of

5289
03:23:03,320 --> 03:23:05,600
Tourism's renewal contract with Camp

5290
03:23:05,600 --> 03:23:08,240
Stories pending legal review.

5291
03:23:08,240 --> 03:23:09,880
I'm going to add

5292
03:23:09,880 --> 03:23:16,080
purchasing review. And purchasing policy with you.

5293
03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:19,120
Second, Jacques. So, we have a motion by

5294
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:21,400
Brian and second by Jacques. All right,

5295
03:23:21,400 --> 03:23:22,920
any more discussion? Yeah, just real

5296
03:23:22,920 --> 03:23:24,200
quick. Camp Stories I think has done a

5297
03:23:24,200 --> 03:23:25,720
really good job.

5298
03:23:25,720 --> 03:23:26,680
Um and I just want to make sure that we

5299
03:23:26,680 --> 03:23:31,840
send their praises. It's uh um it's it's it was a I think a tough decision

5300
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,280
to get a PR firm. Um but it's the first

5301
03:23:34,280 --> 03:23:35,640
time that Grant County is really

5302
03:23:35,640 --> 03:23:37,640
starting to tell its own story rather

5303
03:23:37,640 --> 03:23:40,000
than just have stories told uh about us.

5304
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:40,960
So.

5305
03:23:40,960 --> 03:23:42,720
I I've

5306
03:23:42,720 --> 03:23:44,520
Chair, if you want me to speak a little

5307
03:23:44,520 --> 03:23:47,080
bit to this, I'm I'm happy to.

5308
03:23:47,080 --> 03:23:49,000
Um Sure, we'll go ahead, Mike and

5309
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:49,840
Jacques, and then we'll Quick

5310
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:57,920
clarification, this is just to add legal review and and approve the contract. And

5311
03:23:57,920 --> 03:23:59,720
approve the contract, okay?

5312
03:23:59,720 --> 03:24:01,000
Yeah, that but it had to be pulled off

5313
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:03,400
of our consent agenda because

5314
03:24:03,400 --> 03:24:05,160
it needed that additional Yeah, it

5315
03:24:05,160 --> 03:24:07,040
required the additional wording.

5316
03:24:07,040 --> 03:24:09,560
All right, that that was my question as why we pulled it off the consent

5317
03:24:09,560 --> 03:24:10,720
agenda. Yeah, that's why it's I feel

5318
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:12,920
like we've had that kind of day. Okay.

5319
03:24:12,920 --> 03:24:14,400
So, I've listened to

5320
03:24:14,400 --> 03:24:17,880
Well, I can And go ahead.

5321
03:24:17,880 --> 03:24:19,320
There was renewal language in the RFP

5322
03:24:19,320 --> 03:24:20,480
that we put out that it could be

5323
03:24:20,480 --> 03:24:22,280
renewed, but that wasn't

5324
03:24:22,280 --> 03:24:24,080
really clear language. I'd like to firm

5325
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:25,920
that that up. In talking with the office

5326
03:24:25,920 --> 03:24:27,680
of tourism, we kind of thought, well,

5327
03:24:27,680 --> 03:24:29,520
let's renew this for 1 year and then go

5328
03:24:29,520 --> 03:24:30,960
out to bid. And I think the intent from

5329
03:24:30,960 --> 03:24:32,120
the office of tourism would be to go out

5330
03:24:32,120 --> 03:24:33,400
to bid on this every 2 years to keep it

5331
03:24:33,400 --> 03:24:35,800
competitive, keep it fresh, and get the

5332
03:24:35,800 --> 03:24:37,480
best service as possible. But at this

5333
03:24:37,480 --> 03:24:39,280
point where we're kind of getting into

5334
03:24:39,280 --> 03:24:40,560
the second cycle, I think we're going to

5335
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:42,160
rely on the renewal language as long as

5336
03:24:42,160 --> 03:24:44,160
Steven's okay with that in the RFP we

5337
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:45,880
put out in the beginning. So, that's how

5338
03:24:45,880 --> 03:24:48,880
you that's how you write here.

5339
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:50,320
Okay.

5340
03:24:50,320 --> 03:24:51,600
All right.

5341
03:24:51,600 --> 03:24:53,120
go ahead and call for a vote.

5342
03:24:53,120 --> 03:24:55,640
All in favor?

5343
03:24:55,640 --> 03:24:56,640
I.

5344
03:24:56,640 --> 03:24:59,640
All right, that passes 7-0. Thank you.

5345
03:24:59,640 --> 03:25:03,520
And we'll move on to our

5346
03:25:03,520 --> 03:25:06,200
Um I'm trying infrastructure wish list.

5347
03:25:06,200 --> 03:25:07,680
So, I would be included it in the

5348
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:09,520
packet. There's been multiple meetings

5349
03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:12,040
on this ultra infrastructure wish list.

5350
03:25:12,040 --> 03:25:13,800
We've gone out there and toured the

5351
03:25:13,800 --> 03:25:15,720
site. We've looked at the

5352
03:25:15,720 --> 03:25:19,040
um all the different

5353
03:25:19,040 --> 03:25:21,160
infrastructure that's out there. I got

5354
03:25:21,160 --> 03:25:24,280
had the site futures list um included in

5355
03:25:24,280 --> 03:25:26,520
there and I think that uh the the site

5356
03:25:26,520 --> 03:25:28,480
put together encompasses all those

5357
03:25:28,480 --> 03:25:31,040
things. That list also encompasses

5358
03:25:31,040 --> 03:25:33,320
things that the city has um recommended

5359
03:25:33,320 --> 03:25:35,320
as well. So, try to just put everybody's

5360
03:25:35,320 --> 03:25:37,080
they just want one list and so that's

5361
03:25:37,080 --> 03:25:39,040
going to be the county's list.

5362
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:41,240
And that list doesn't mean we'll get it.

5363
03:25:41,240 --> 03:25:42,600
Just because it's on the list doesn't

5364
03:25:42,600 --> 03:25:44,080
mean we'll get it, but if we don't ask

5365
03:25:44,080 --> 03:25:47,840
for it, we won't get it. So, that's it's a little bit bigger than even the

5366
03:25:47,840 --> 03:25:49,640
infrastructure list that they gave us

5367
03:25:49,640 --> 03:25:51,160
saying this is the infrastructure that

5368
03:25:51,160 --> 03:25:53,920
we have, but we added, you know, more

5369
03:25:53,920 --> 03:25:55,640
things. We want to see if they can help

5370
03:25:55,640 --> 03:25:57,320
us get some access to the river or do

5371
03:25:57,320 --> 03:25:59,360
some trail work or, you know, vehicle

5372
03:25:59,360 --> 03:26:01,320
fuel stop and those are just that's

5373
03:26:01,320 --> 03:26:02,560
above and beyond what their kind of

5374
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:04,520
infrastructure list, but they said that

5375
03:26:04,520 --> 03:26:06,120
go ahead and add it to the list because

5376
03:26:06,120 --> 03:26:07,680
that would keep it on their forefront.

5377
03:26:07,680 --> 03:26:11,040
So, we have completion date of 2029 is

5378
03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:13,360
their completion date and none of this

5379
03:26:13,360 --> 03:26:15,160
will come to us until after they are

5380
03:26:15,160 --> 03:26:17,800
complete, but just getting the word out

5381
03:26:17,800 --> 03:26:19,320
there going to have to go through their

5382
03:26:19,320 --> 03:26:21,480
own um procurement and then make sure

5383
03:26:21,480 --> 03:26:24,880
that this that there's not contaminated.

5384
03:26:24,880 --> 03:26:27,320
So, lots going into this, but um anyway,

5385
03:26:27,320 --> 03:26:28,680
this is the list that we are going to

5386
03:26:28,680 --> 03:26:32,000
give them on June 1st. And I just wanted

5387
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:33,720
to make sure that everybody knew and it

5388
03:26:33,720 --> 03:26:36,480
was transparent and and um

5389
03:26:36,480 --> 03:26:37,680
we're not trying to do anything crazy

5390
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:38,920
out there, but we pretty much asked for

5391
03:26:38,920 --> 03:26:41,912
all of it. All of it plus the moon.

5392
03:26:41,912 --> 03:26:42,600
>> [clears throat and laughter]

5393
03:26:42,600 --> 03:26:43,920
>> But was there anything that we didn't

5394
03:26:43,920 --> 03:26:45,640
ask for that was

5395
03:26:45,640 --> 03:26:47,280
presented to us?

5396
03:26:47,280 --> 03:26:49,840
No. Okay.

5397
03:26:49,840 --> 03:26:51,737
There's still a lot more.

5398
03:26:51,737 --> 03:26:53,360
>> [clears throat]

5399
03:26:53,360 --> 03:26:54,280
>> Just a quick question.

5400
03:26:54,280 --> 03:26:57,360
>> Go ahead. So, the um the Alta survey

5401
03:26:57,360 --> 03:27:00,720
summer of 2026 right of way, is that for

5402
03:27:00,720 --> 03:27:03,280
the pipeline?

5403
03:27:03,280 --> 03:27:05,520
Actually, they're paying a company to

5404
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:08,480
come in and do a

5405
03:27:08,480 --> 03:27:12,480
complete property description.

5406
03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:14,520
That So, a description of the property,

5407
03:27:14,520 --> 03:27:17,440
legal description, and then to

5408
03:27:17,440 --> 03:27:19,600
map out all of the easements. I believe

5409
03:27:19,600 --> 03:27:22,040
there's a power line over against the

5410
03:27:22,040 --> 03:27:24,680
west side. There's the pipeline that you

5411
03:27:24,680 --> 03:27:26,400
just mentioned running through, and I

5412
03:27:26,400 --> 03:27:28,440
think there's some easements up along

5413
03:27:28,440 --> 03:27:31,920
191 to the north of where their offices

5414
03:27:31,920 --> 03:27:34,440
are. So, that's all it is. But, it would

5415
03:27:34,440 --> 03:27:36,160
include the right of ways on the

5416
03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:38,200
>> The all the survey will show those

5417
03:27:38,200 --> 03:27:39,480
survey That's That's That's what I was

5418
03:27:39,480 --> 03:27:41,000
asking. But, yeah. So, they're going

5419
03:27:41,000 --> 03:27:42,680
They are doing an Alta survey, which is

5420
03:27:42,680 --> 03:27:46,160
a a very intensive survey, more than

5421
03:27:46,160 --> 03:27:47,680
what most people get when they purchase

5422
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:50,040
land. And so, that Alta survey will go

5423
03:27:50,040 --> 03:27:52,680
and it'll it'll show those things. Um,

5424
03:27:52,680 --> 03:27:54,360
it's a really in-depth survey, and

5425
03:27:54,360 --> 03:27:55,680
they're already doing that. They have

5426
03:27:55,680 --> 03:27:57,320
already put the RFP out for it, and we

5427
03:27:57,320 --> 03:27:59,440
said it should be done this summer. And

5428
03:27:59,440 --> 03:28:00,640
so, that will be something that we'll be

5429
03:28:00,640 --> 03:28:03,160
able to ask for a copy of through the

5430
03:28:03,160 --> 03:28:04,600
FOIA.

5431
03:28:04,600 --> 03:28:05,920
Um,

5432
03:28:05,920 --> 03:28:07,760
government, you know, ask We can ask for

5433
03:28:07,760 --> 03:28:09,880
a copy of that. And I think that the

5434
03:28:09,880 --> 03:28:11,400
city has asked for some other things

5435
03:28:11,400 --> 03:28:13,320
from that FOIA as well. And and I I

5436
03:28:13,320 --> 03:28:14,560
don't know if the whole commission was a

5437
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:15,960
copy on that, but we have a list of the

5438
03:28:15,960 --> 03:28:18,800
items that city's asked for as well. So,

5439
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:20,640
that's additional information as far as

5440
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:22,240
that's up in advance, you know, because

5441
03:28:22,240 --> 03:28:27,280
they already kind of know where that infrastructure that's underground

5442
03:28:27,280 --> 03:28:30,200
is, but um, this Alta will be really

5443
03:28:30,200 --> 03:28:31,520
specific.

5444
03:28:31,520 --> 03:28:34,200
And so, those right-of-ways also

5445
03:28:34,200 --> 03:28:36,080
wouldn't necessarily be given to us.

5446
03:28:36,080 --> 03:28:37,720
We'd have to apply for them. So, some of

5447
03:28:37,720 --> 03:28:39,480
them, like up the road that goes up to

5448
03:28:39,480 --> 03:28:40,920
the tracks,

5449
03:28:40,920 --> 03:28:42,320
and so, if we were going to have, you

5450
03:28:42,320 --> 03:28:45,640
know, some de plane de plane de railing,

5451
03:28:45,640 --> 03:28:48,240
um, it is BLM, and so, we would have to

5452
03:28:48,240 --> 03:28:48,880
um,

5453
03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:50,120
ask [clears throat] We'd have to

5454
03:28:50,120 --> 03:28:53,440
reinstate that in our name and lease it.

5455
03:28:53,440 --> 03:28:55,280
So, and so, it would it would it would

5456
03:28:55,280 --> 03:28:57,240
show where all of those different leases

5457
03:28:57,240 --> 03:28:58,200
are.

5458
03:28:58,200 --> 03:29:03,190
That's all. Perfect. Thank you.

5459
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:04,280
All right.

5460
03:29:04,280 --> 03:29:05,600
Anyone else? I didn't put it as an

5461
03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:07,080
action item. I just figured we just

5462
03:29:07,080 --> 03:29:08,440
wanted to make sure everybody knew, so.

5463
03:29:08,440 --> 03:29:09,520
We don't have any more further

5464
03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:12,080
discussion on that. Mary, you good with

5465
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:13,960
that list?

5466
03:29:13,960 --> 03:29:16,400
I was very pleased. Thank you very, very

5467
03:29:16,400 --> 03:29:19,080
much. Thank you, Bill. Thank you,

5468
03:29:19,080 --> 03:29:20,840
uh, Melody, for the people that, you

5469
03:29:20,840 --> 03:29:22,080
know,

5470
03:29:22,080 --> 03:29:24,080
where I've been so absent, I really

5471
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:27,400
appreciate people taking the reins.

5472
03:29:27,400 --> 03:29:30,080
All right. Thank you. Sean, our, um,

5473
03:29:30,080 --> 03:29:32,280
maintenance also spent a good deal of

5474
03:29:32,280 --> 03:29:34,320
time out there on this, as well. And

5475
03:29:34,320 --> 03:29:36,160
Mark, too. Yeah, he was at our last

5476
03:29:36,160 --> 03:29:38,080
meeting. When I see him, I'll tell him

5477
03:29:38,080 --> 03:29:41,440
thanks. He was very cordial.

5478
03:29:41,440 --> 03:29:42,680
Yes.

5479
03:29:42,680 --> 03:29:44,920
All right. On to number 14, the Kemsley

5480
03:29:44,920 --> 03:29:47,480
Garden financial payments.

5481
03:29:47,480 --> 03:29:49,600
Um, I think we've dealt with this. Okay.

5482
03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:51,320
We're going to skip this one. Yeah. All

5483
03:29:51,320 --> 03:29:53,080
right. So, I'm not going to ask for

5484
03:29:53,080 --> 03:29:54,920
general commissioner reports and

5485
03:29:54,920 --> 03:29:57,080
tonight, but if there's Does anyone have

5486
03:29:57,080 --> 03:29:59,080
anything that they just Go ahead,

5487
03:29:59,080 --> 03:30:02,360
Jacques. Thanks. Um, I it's it's

5488
03:30:02,360 --> 03:30:03,840
interesting cuz the last I gave my

5489
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:06,760
report and the last 2 weeks I was

5490
03:30:06,760 --> 03:30:07,880
um,

5491
03:30:07,880 --> 03:30:09,560
I I had experience with the two

5492
03:30:09,560 --> 03:30:11,920
different motorized events in town.

5493
03:30:11,920 --> 03:30:14,320
They went very differently. Uh, there

5494
03:30:14,320 --> 03:30:18,520
was one at the the park that, um, our

5495
03:30:18,520 --> 03:30:20,920
sheriff referenced earlier and

5496
03:30:20,920 --> 03:30:22,400
I think I went to that event. We had a

5497
03:30:22,400 --> 03:30:24,400
great time. It was super well put on.

5498
03:30:24,400 --> 03:30:27,920
They gave back to the community. They gave us, uh,

5499
03:30:27,920 --> 03:30:29,480
search and rescue a significant amount

5500
03:30:29,480 --> 03:30:30,480
of money.

5501
03:30:30,480 --> 03:30:31,680
Um,

5502
03:30:31,680 --> 03:30:34,560
it was it was a

5503
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:37,640
I probably had 400 trucks parading past

5504
03:30:37,640 --> 03:30:40,560
my house at 7:00 in the morning and it

5505
03:30:40,560 --> 03:30:42,160
wasn't a burden at all. We were out in

5506
03:30:42,160 --> 03:30:43,680
the front yard drinking coffee, watching

5507
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:45,520
them go by and it was it was it was a

5508
03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:46,720
great time. And there was another

5509
03:30:46,720 --> 03:30:48,080
motorized event. I'm not going to name

5510
03:30:48,080 --> 03:30:51,360
it, but, um, I had a very negative

5511
03:30:51,360 --> 03:30:53,080
experience with that event when I was

5512
03:30:53,080 --> 03:30:56,960
out leading a group of um group of kids

5513
03:30:56,960 --> 03:30:59,800
and it I I very much appreciate how that

5514
03:30:59,800 --> 03:31:02,480
was dealt with in the county. But I just

5515
03:31:02,480 --> 03:31:06,880
want to say to people who come to Grand

5516
03:31:06,880 --> 03:31:09,320
County to put on their events that that

5517
03:31:09,320 --> 03:31:11,200
there are folks that live here. There's

5518
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:12,760
a way to do things and there's a way not

5519
03:31:12,760 --> 03:31:14,520
to do things and treating locals with

5520
03:31:14,520 --> 03:31:16,360
respect and and

5521
03:31:16,360 --> 03:31:17,600
um

5522
03:31:17,600 --> 03:31:18,960
uh

5523
03:31:18,960 --> 03:31:22,040
posing yourself while you are visiting

5524
03:31:22,040 --> 03:31:25,000
our county makes a huge difference.

5525
03:31:25,000 --> 03:31:28,240
Okay, Trish. Um I Thanks. Sorry, did I

5526
03:31:28,240 --> 03:31:31,200
cut you off? Um I just wanted to bring

5527
03:31:31,200 --> 03:31:32,680
this up. So I went to the Planning and

5528
03:31:32,680 --> 03:31:35,080
Zoning 101 Understanding Land Use with

5529
03:31:35,080 --> 03:31:37,240
Craig Call at the library and I was on

5530
03:31:37,240 --> 03:31:39,800
Thursday like I had things on both ends

5531
03:31:39,800 --> 03:31:41,360
so I only got to stay for about an hour,

5532
03:31:41,360 --> 03:31:44,120
but it was phenomenal. And so I did

5533
03:31:44,120 --> 03:31:46,440
bring that up at the Planning Commission

5534
03:31:46,440 --> 03:31:48,800
level like are we interested in having

5535
03:31:48,800 --> 03:31:51,280
some kind of joint joint workshop way

5536
03:31:51,280 --> 03:31:53,000
I'm talking way in the future maybe

5537
03:31:53,000 --> 03:31:56,400
winter-ish um to have Craig come and do

5538
03:31:56,400 --> 03:31:58,720
something again. So I'm just kind of

5539
03:31:58,720 --> 03:32:01,360
throwing that out. It was so good

5540
03:32:01,360 --> 03:32:03,240
um and the the Planning Commission was

5541
03:32:03,240 --> 03:32:04,760
interested. So I'm kind of throwing that

5542
03:32:04,760 --> 03:32:06,840
out. I think it would behoove all of us

5543
03:32:06,840 --> 03:32:08,800
to kind of go through that with Craig

5544
03:32:08,800 --> 03:32:11,320
because he he not only kind of lays out

5545
03:32:11,320 --> 03:32:13,880
some basics of of land use planning our

5546
03:32:13,880 --> 03:32:15,920
planning and zoning, but he also gives

5547
03:32:15,920 --> 03:32:18,000
these cool little scenarios which I

5548
03:32:18,000 --> 03:32:19,480
think kind of brings it to life and

5549
03:32:19,480 --> 03:32:21,080
helps. So Yeah, he he doesn't even know

5550
03:32:21,080 --> 03:32:22,040
that he wrote the

5551
03:32:22,040 --> 03:32:24,440
book. Wrote the book. And then he we've

5552
03:32:24,440 --> 03:32:26,880
definitely dealt with him a few times,

5553
03:32:26,880 --> 03:32:31,200
right, when we appealed to things and he's good. He's really good. So I'm

5554
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:32,360
just going to throw that out and like I

5555
03:32:32,360 --> 03:32:34,120
said it would be I would think

5556
03:32:34,120 --> 03:32:35,760
winter-ish would be a nice time to do

5557
03:32:35,760 --> 03:32:39,560
it. He might not be able to help us out. The

5558
03:32:39,560 --> 03:32:42,640
reason why is he's our ELJ and we get an

5559
03:32:42,640 --> 03:32:45,520
awesome deal with him. He's only a 100

5560
03:32:45,520 --> 03:32:48,600
bucks an hour. Um if if he gave a

5561
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:50,880
training and we later relied on his, you

5562
03:32:50,880 --> 03:32:53,680
know, training or did something.

5563
03:32:53,680 --> 03:32:55,400
We've just been really blessed to have

5564
03:32:55,400 --> 03:32:57,040
him as an ALJ for the price that he

5565
03:32:57,040 --> 03:32:59,000
charges. But

5566
03:32:59,000 --> 03:33:02,000
I I think we can discuss it. Yeah. Well,

5567
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,120
I think we can we can discuss it. Okay,

5568
03:33:04,120 --> 03:33:05,280
we can discuss it. So, it could be

5569
03:33:05,280 --> 03:33:07,200
public, but we just make sure that all

5570
03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:08,600
the petitioners know about it. Something

5571
03:33:08,600 --> 03:33:09,680
like that.

5572
03:33:09,680 --> 03:33:12,280
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was it was quite

5573
03:33:12,280 --> 03:33:13,680
good.

5574
03:33:13,680 --> 03:33:15,320
I was impressed.

5575
03:33:15,320 --> 03:33:17,120
Okay. And that was it. Stephen, you had

5576
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:18,840
your hand up. And

5577
03:33:18,840 --> 03:33:23,550
then what about Mark? Do you have any

5578
03:33:23,560 --> 03:33:25,920
Thank you. Okay, I'm going to adjourn

5579
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:29,360
this meeting at 7:00