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>> Okay. I would like to welcome everyone

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to the board of equalization meeting on

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June 2nd, 2026. We're going to open this

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meeting at 3

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56. It is running a little bit late

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because we had some technical

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difficulties. The in attendance we have

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Commissioner Trish Shaden, Commissioner

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Jacqu Kadler, Commissioner Brian

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Martinez, Commissioner Mayor Mcan,

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Commissioner Mike Mccertie, Commissioner

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Phil Winfield, and myself, Commissioner

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McCandless with our county attorney

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Steven Stocks, County Administrator Mark

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Tiner, and our clerk auditor, Dave

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Voytech. We will I'm going to recuse

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myself from the vote on this meeting, so

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I'm going to turn it over to a vice

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chair, Bill Winfield.

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All right, with that I will

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look for a motion for approval of the

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minutes for the meeting of March 3rd,

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2026.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second, Commissioner Martinez. Second,

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Commissioner Hadler.

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All in favor?

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Passes unanimously. And we will move on

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to the tax exemption request for the

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National Ability Center. And I believe

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we are going to hear from our county

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attorney on this.

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>> One one thing that we wanted to note is

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if the if the applicant is present,

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they've submitted additional documents

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to them. We wanted to provide them with

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the opportunity to be heard if the if

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the vice chair would permit that to

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start.

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>> Sure. And who is going to do that from

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the applicant?

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>> I'm I'm not sure who is going to speak

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on their behalf, but they were here last

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time and we just wanted to provide them

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the opportunity. if you are here from

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the National Ability Center, if you

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would unmute your microphone and let us

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know who you are. Um, otherwise we would

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assume that you don't didn't want to

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speak further.

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>> Great. Yeah, my name is Willie Ford. I'm

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CEO of the National Ability Center.

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Along with us is Michelle Blanc and Mike

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Schultz, who's our chief operating

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officer. Uh, we've applied for the tax

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exemption in Moab. Um, as the as all of

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you know, we're um putting plans in

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place to uh build um uh facilities and

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programming in Moab uh for the community

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and for others with disabilities. Uh we

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believe that this qualifies

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appropriately for a tax exemption. Um

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and we've put the application in place

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to uh hopefully bring that forward uh so

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that we can move forward with our

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planning and project on our side. Mike

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Schulz, did I forget anything or do you

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want to add anything?

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» Uh, no, that's that's correct. It's a

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gift of the community per the statute,

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the state statute. Um, but I would

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agree. I think we we qualify for that.

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» okay. If there's nothing further, then

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I'm going to turn it over to our county

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attorney.

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>> So, commissioners, before uh the or

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sorry, DOE members, um historically when

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we reviewed this application, we've the body request additional information

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um provided to you from the National

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Ability Center. They provided a

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memorandum supporting their position and

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requesting uh that the commission

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consider their property to be uh under

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the under the rules to allow its

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exemption. We've provided and forwarded

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to the to the board three different

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flavors of a motion language that was

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that's in your email. Um one has an

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approval, a partial approval permitting

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one partial number and the other not a

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denial and an approval. Additionally,

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for the board's consideration, we have

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also uh provided findings of fact. These

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findings um make the statement uh the

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draft version here makes a statement

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that there is sufficient information to

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believe that they fall within the

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charitable use um exception and they

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explain the basis for that. In the event

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that the board finds that this does not

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qualify, we will draft findings to

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indicate the same um and and a basis for

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the denial. Um so that's the background

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information. Um historically there were

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additional questions regarding um to

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what extent the National Mobility Center

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provided uh services that were

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considered charitable. Um they provided

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an email response and additional

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information and I believe that's been

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circulated with the commissioners. Um so

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based on that information we do believe

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that there is sufficient evidence to be

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able to support a finding. um their

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request is for a full uh full finding

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and it's our position that it should be

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separated providing that benefit to one

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parcel but not the other. However, there

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is sufficient basis to either deny or

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approve in full or in part depending on

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the uh findings that the the board would

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like to make.

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>> Commissioner,

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>> so right now we're we're looking at

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what's currently being operated on,

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correct? about what the future use is to

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be.

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>> And so, um, can I ask the applicants a

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question? Sure.

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what is the current use of the three

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properties? Um, we have one that's

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listed as 48, one that's listed as 70,

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and one that's listed as 01.

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» I'll jump in on that if if that's okay.

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Mike Schultz. Um, no relation to the

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speaker of the house, by the way. So,

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um, so of the three parcels, one is, I

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believe, the old Elks Club where we've

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demolished it. It's currently a vacant

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lot, and we're looking to u at some

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point build a build a facility there. We

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also, one of those properties is a house

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we use as a guide house and the other is

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a garage where we use for the boat house

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for our rafting operation.

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with which one. Um,

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clear, we can make sure the parcel

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number matches which building is

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connected.

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say we decided that the persons that are

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in use uh get the tax exempt and the

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ones that are not being used not uh

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after they succeed in creating their uh

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that they provide an updated notice each

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>> Thank you. Is is it is it the opinion of

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the attorney that that a use such as

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housing falls under I to me like the

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garage is a bit of a a no-brainer using

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that for their active business. Um

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how see the difficulty is under the

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under this statute you have to make u

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the statement that they're providing a

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charitable gift to the community that is

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an obligation normally uh the burden is

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normally felt by the government and by

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them providing that additional

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information or by by providing that

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charitable gift it alleviates the

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government from providing those services

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and that's why we're reducing the amount

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of tax burden that they would have

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because they're offputting some of the

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government obligations.

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historically has not been an obligation

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of the government.

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this in the past, but I don't think it's

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the strongest argument.

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>> Thank you. Commissioner Martinez,

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>> can I ask the applicant another

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>> Um, the housing, is that housing for

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full-time employees or does that also

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include the volunteers?

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the the the housing is for our guides.

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staff who are trained according to being

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able to deliver programming for people

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with disabilities

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um on the on the

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local rivers that we operate on.

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>> Thank you.

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>> We we do not we do not charge them um

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for that. um we we offer the housing um

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so that we can actually operate uh w

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without being able to supply that

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housing. We believe that it would be

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hard to to hire the staff needed to

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operate um our our rafting uh operation.

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uh, we're a nonprofit and we subsidize,

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um, a lot of the the program costs, um,

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and we we lose money, uh, through our

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MOAB operation every year due to the

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cost associated to the programming that

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we deliver.

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» Thank you, sir. And then I've got a

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question for the county attorney. Is

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this housing similar to the housing that

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we um allow to be tax exempt for the

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hospital?

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>> The housing for the hospital. Got to

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>> It's been years ago that we had a couple

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of houses come before us that were

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requested to be exempt um for the

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hospital. They were out on Spanish

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Valley. One of them I don't know where

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the other one was.

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My impression is that our our position

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has remained the same that housing

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doesn't normally fall within the

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government obligation. Um but I can I

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can search and see if that was uh

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approved previously. Do you know the was

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it from the Mo Regional Hospital or

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>> Moab Regional Hospital? Yes.

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>> Yeah. There were two there were two

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houses that they purchased and came

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before us asking for this exclusion on.

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It's been my first year in office would

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be my guess. So I don't

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can reme I can see the

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>> I'll look up and see if I can find

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information. My gut says that was

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denied, but I'm not. If if you'll permit

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me a moment.

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>> Sure.

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» Yes, Commissioner. Um, of the people you

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serve, how many of them are Grand County

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residents?

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» I don't have the exact percentage off uh

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the top of my head. Uh, we we can get

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back to you on that.

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>> that's who we as a county would serve

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if we had any obligation.

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I I do know that we have multiple

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individuals within the county. I know

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that Nancy or is one of them, Colon

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Frier that help with this organization.

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>> Yeah, they are. Great job.

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» Yeah, I don't I I you know, we do serve

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a significant amount of grant of

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participants out of Grant County. I just

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don't have that percentage off the top

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of my head and don't want to misspe

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here, but we can report back to you on

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that.

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It's uh really important to us to serve

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a local community and uh you know uh

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that's something we take seriously. So

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it's it's it's a big part of what we do.

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» Yes. Commissioner Mcc question for uh

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Mr. Stocks. Uh

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on on a question of approval of entire

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request.

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>> Yes. Would that uh yearly update also if

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they build a new building, would that

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come at that time, not within a year

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scope?

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>> They have a they have an obligation to

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file with the assessor's office each

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year and ensure that they're in

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compliance and continuing to utilize the

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property for the non the charitable gift

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or the non uh nonprofit basis for

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whatever they're utilizing. They have to

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confirm that chair. And does that

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would that come up say they do it they

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get approval they did it in three months

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would that come back up or they build

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the building in three months they come

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back up at that or or the yearly

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>> it's on an annual basis when they do the

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assessments and they have to they have a

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certain time time frame that they have

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to apply in and the board of

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equalization had this issue in the past

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for a different parcel. Um the timing is

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in the spring and then we have a certain

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period of time that we have to respond

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to it.

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>> Okay. Yes, Commissioner Mcan.

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» So, does it come up every year or does

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it only come up the years that are

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assessed?

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>> So, every year they're going to apply

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with the assessor, but it doesn't

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guarantee that it's going to come before

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the BOE unless there's a unless there's

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a new request or an appeal.

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>> Okay.

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» Yes. Commissioner Martinez,

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>> go ahead and make a motion to impart the

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property tax exemption sub by the

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National Ability Center for partials

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number um

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boat house,

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parcel number guide

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under the based on the findings of

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charitable use under the Utah code 592

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1101 and authorize the chair to sign the

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finding of fact, conclusion of law and

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decision to be prepared in the finalized

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by the Grand County Attorney's Office.

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Um, parcel number vacant move uh is

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denied.

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>> Yes, Commissioner.

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>> All right. Motion by Commissioner

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Martinez, second by Commissioner Hadine.

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Is there any further discussion?

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>> Sure. Just following up the previous

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comment, the one that we can find that

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was previously before the commission

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regarding housing was through community

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rebuilds,

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>> right?

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>> That was the only one that I can find.

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>> Yeah,

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>> it was and it was denied. And there is

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not trying to confuse the issue, but

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there is um a charitable purpose that is

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to find out that they talk about a

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nonprofit hospital or a nursing home as

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being something that would be permitted.

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But I I can't see any hospital if the if

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the body wanted to

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recess this for a moment. I could do a

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deeper dive, but this is that's that's

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initially what I found so far. I just

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don't want to leave that question on any

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>> my memory too.

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>> Not that it failed, but that it was a

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rebuild. That would make it

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that makes it awkward because then that

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if we've denied one organization

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charitable organization

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and then turn around and give it to

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another I I I

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would make a substitute motion that uh

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we offer the tax exempt for the

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storage of the the garage.

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and deny the others according to the

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>> Could you help me?

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>> Yes. And let's go to our guest online

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and guide house is what I called them.

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>> Yeah. I just wanted to clarify in the

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memo that we sent uh per the Utah code

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592

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1101.

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the gift of the community. It it was

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less about lessening of the government

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burden onto the subsection F2. It was

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the provision of a significant service

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to others with that immediate

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expectation of material reward. And we

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do operate at a loss um significant loss

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and these are to offer people with

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disabilities to engage in the recreation

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activities in Grant County specifically

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that most other outfitters don't provide

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because of the specialty training. And

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so I just would again reiterate our

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position is about the um the service to

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others without immediate expectations of

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material award. And so I

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Yeah, thanks Mike. Um, I also I guess

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the the housing one still causes me a

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little bit of question because isn't

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that what housing at Sea Haven does or

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housing at a multitude of different

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nonprofits? I mean, I'm just wanting

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some clarity here. So, I'm fine with

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Mary's substitute motion if we're going

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to bring this back and make sure that

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we're treating everybody equally here.

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>> Vice Chair, I don't know that the

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substitute motion got a second.

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>> I do.

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>> No,

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>> I'll second that.

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>> Okay. Motion by Commissioner Man, second

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by Commissioner Adine. Yes, Mary.

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>> I just want to say that when we did vote

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for the U

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Milab community rebuild, I was I voted

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in favor. I just wanted people to know

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that, you know, I I like the idea of

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helping them out, but I don't think we

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can treat one organization differently

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than we need the other.

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>> It it returned and we we did the

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commission the body did approve it based

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on educational Yeah. portion as

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education.

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>> To answer Commissioner Winfield's

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question,

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>> the difference between CCA and that's

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more temporary housing. Um that's that's

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different than long-term housing for

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guides. The other thing that when we

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look at this application, they do it at

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a reduced amount. And so that does kind

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of play into the consideration that it's

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not wholly um philanthropical. Instead,

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it's uh there's a there's a bit of

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analysis as well as they're charging

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some individuals for the services and

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not others. But like we said, I do think

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that there's sufficient basis that you

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could make a defensible uh defining on

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the way that the body fuels appropriate.

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>> Yes, Commissioner Mark Jamus. Yeah, I

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just I think that that for this this

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service to remain inside of our

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community and and and I' I I've sent

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folks over to the National Ability

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Center and Spore previously um for for

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decades, you know, when I've gotten

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calls um you know, for all types of

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different things. I think it's a it's a

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great organization here and I'm not

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basing the uh my my my vote off of that

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which is really where my heart is at.

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But the the idea is is that I don't see

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how that operation runs without that

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specialized training. Having known the

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guides that are there, I do think that

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it's a specialized type of training to

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be able to take these folks down the

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river. And for that that's the reason

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that I really kind of wanted to stick to

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this idea that the housing is included

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in that. Now, the vacant lot I I mean

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the same reason that we kind of pushed

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off the uh u wabi in the last in the

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last meeting. I think that this all that does not qualify right now, but I

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do think that the housing is is a little

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bit different just based on the

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specialized training that's required to

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take these folks down the river because

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and I've been on the trips. I mean, it

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is it's a lot, you know. I mean, it

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takes it takes a lot and it does take a

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lot of specialized training.

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>> Yes, Commissioner Mcan. I I suppose this

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is for the owners. Um do you do any ed

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is there any education provided at your

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housing because I know that's what we

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had to do with us on community rebuild.

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So it's to change it from housing to

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education

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if these guides are receiving special

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training any of the training going on in the house.

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>> Yes. In in fact, we just got done about

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three weeks of it now in preparation of

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the season. So, uh we have our lead

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guide um who's really well known in this

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space and and uh the the current house

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that we're referring to is also a place

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where we do a lot of the training, the

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conversations, the classroom

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discussions, uh that's not out in the

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field. So, uh education is a big part of

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what we do. I would say that we we train

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uh as much if not more than any other

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outfitter because of the uh really

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high-risisk situations that we're in. Uh

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you know, we're bringing nonverbal uh 84

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different types of disability we served

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last year. We're taking them down the

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river. Uh and uh it's really challenging

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stuff that we do. And the reason that

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we're a nonprofit is that u we subsidize

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although you know a couple minutes ago

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we were talking about the program

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revenue that's established by our uh

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operation in Moab but we subsidize uh

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the majority of it and if you if you

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aren't able to pay we scholarship that

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so as a whole the national ability

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center last year you know we scholarship

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almost $7 million worth of programming

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uh because people with disabilities

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unfortunately are usually in a place

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where they need greater financial

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assistance. So, our whole objective here

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is to make sure people in Grand County

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and Utah and other places if they want

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to visit the area, they have access to

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it. And our scholarship uh process is

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really we don't ask any questions. If

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you express a need, we'll we'll figure

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out a way to support you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yes, Commissioner McN. I I I think all

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everyone on the dis supports your

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organization and I know myself I would

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you probably give you from my heart

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every every exemption but we have to

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move forward uh fairly with everyone.

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Stephen, um, if they added the

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educational part to the housing, would

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we have to have him come back or could

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we amend it right here?

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>> I I think the commission has a

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sufficient basis to resolve it with the

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findings that we've drafted. I think

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adding the housing the housing element

541
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again, I I think it's nuanced. I would

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just keep it narrowed to the findings

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that we currently have.

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That would be my

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>> I'm sorry to interrupt you too. I don't

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know how to actually raise my hand on

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Zoom. So

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>> Oh, no problem. I see you now. My

549
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,679
apologies. I should have been watching.

550
00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:43,760
>> No worries. It's my understanding that

551
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,400
the current parcel that the house is on

552
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,799
has been exempt from taxes in the past.

553
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:53,039
So is this

554
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,960
no longer going to be exempt moving

555
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000
forward or

556
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,880
I'll find myself.

557
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,440
>> Um, we haven't got to the actual vote

558
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,640
yet, sir, but I would like to weigh in

559
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,000
here and it's nothing against Mary's

560
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,919
substitute motion,

561
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,679
>> but I'm going to vote against the

562
00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:14,000
substitute because I would prefer to see

563
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,960
it fail and that we allow this for the

564
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919
House. I know that there are multitudes

565
00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:22,880
of different ways that different

566
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:35,190
nonprofits utilize our

567
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,549
I think we lost you. Or at least I did.

568
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,950
» Dana, can you hear us by chance?

569
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,280
» I can totally hear you. And the chambers

570
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,559
camera just came back, so the audio went

571
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,080
out with it. They I don't think they

572
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,919
ever left.

573
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:56,640
>> Hang on. Stand by. I won't vote for my

574
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,559
own

575
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:00,400
>> right.

576
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,840
>> Yeah. And it's nothing against your

577
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320
motion, Mary. I I just feel I don't know

578
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,840
that we have audio.

579
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,600
>> Do Can you hear us yet, folks?

580
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,120
>> You just came back. Yeah.

581
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,679
>> Okay. Thank you. And I was just stating

582
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:13,840
the fact that I would prefer to see the

583
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320
substitute fail and that we would vote

584
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,320
on the original which would include the

585
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,039
house. And that's just my personal

586
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,720
feelings on it, of course, as an

587
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,200
individual commissioner. So, we haven't

588
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,720
called for that vote yet. Yes,

589
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,080
Commissioner Martinez.

590
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,200
>> Can I call for the vote on the

591
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,240
substitute?

592
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,559
>> Sure. All right. With that, I'll call

593
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,120
for a vote that um Mary Mcan made a

594
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,279
substitute motion and Commissioner

595
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,720
Hadine seconded for just the garage lot.

596
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,120
All in favor of the substitute motion?

597
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,600
All opposed.

598
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,919
All right, that fails. And we will move

599
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,000
back to the original motion. correct me

600
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,679
if I'm wrong, which was Commissioner

601
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:55,200
Martinez

602
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,600
and Commissioner Hadler as a second.

603
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,440
>> Commissioner had my apologies.

604
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,679
>> Vice Chair, what was the vote on that?

605
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:07,679
>> That vote um filled seven, let's see,

606
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,159
zero in favor, seven

607
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,480
>> six against because

608
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,720
>> Macan was recused herself. Thank you.

609
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,960
Sorry. All right. So then I will call

610
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,440
for a vote on the original motion which

611
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,919
would include the two pieces of property

612
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:25,200
that currently have use happening on

613
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,080
them and excludes the vacant lot.

614
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,159
Motion by Commissioner Martinez and

615
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:34,400
second by Commissioner Haden. All in

616
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200
favor of that.

617
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,200
Any opposed? All right, that passes. Six

618
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,600
in favor, one abstaining.

619
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,279
What else do we need?

620
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,559
>> Um, and I and I didn't catch if it was

621
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,120
included in the motion that they would

622
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,520
adopt the findings and conclusions that

623
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,799
were drafted.

624
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:57,760
>> I think you did.

625
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,559
>> Yep. Okay. It did.

626
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,880
>> He raised it.

627
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,760
>> I saw.

628
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,320
>> Okay. All right. With that, I believe

629
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,000
we've come to the end of the BOE

630
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,679
meeting. Correct. Nothing else that

631
00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,760
needs to be dealt with. All right. With

632
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,600
that, I will close this meeting at 4:22.

633
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,400
And do we want to take a brief recess or

634
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,039
go straight?

635
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,720
>> Could I Thank you for that. That was

636
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,000
good. Could I just ask one quick

637
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,799
question?

638
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:23,679
>> Sure.

639
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:26,720
>> So, on the vacant lot, uh, understanding

640
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,159
the vote and all that. Wonderful. Thank

641
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,320
you. Uh, we're putting our plans in

642
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,400
place now to do a capital campaign. The

643
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,919
capital campaign is going to be between

644
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:36,080
6 and 11 million for the building that

645
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480
we hope to build on that vacant lot.

646
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
It's going to be uh you know lodging

647
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,279
built for people with disabilities. It's

648
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,840
going to be conference rooms and some

649
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,240
offices for our team. What's the process

650
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,200
to make do our best to make sure that parcel once we build the building

651
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,200
will also be tax exempt? Will we go

652
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,120
through this process again just because

653
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,960
the potential of having taxes on that um

654
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,120
value would be really tough on our

655
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,640
budget. So, I just want to make sure we

656
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,240
have clarity on that before we move

657
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,919
forward with any build.

658
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,559
>> I would say that we would or that you

659
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,000
would want to get with the county

660
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,200
attorney moving forward and to get some

661
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,520
clarity on that, but it will require

662
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,159
another vote is my understanding.

663
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:22,159
>> It go through the assessor's office.

664
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:24,559
>> The assessor's office. Thank you.

665
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:25,840
>> Okay.

666
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,559
>> All right.

667
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,840
>> Thank you so much.

668
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,919
>> All right. So with that we will close

669
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:32,960
this meeting at 4:23.

670
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Move straight into commission meeting.

671
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,520
All right.

672
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,840
>> Thank you.

673
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
>> Goodbye.

674
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,039
>> Okay. We are going to move into our

675
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,039
regularly scheduled Grand County

676
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,760
Commission meeting for June 2nd and open

677
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,799
this meeting at 4.3.

678
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,480
And we have in attendance the same uh as

679
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
we have for our board of equalization.

680
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,240
And just those of you that are coming in

681
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,919
late, we're finishing that up. So we

682
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:05,039
will go into our citizens be heard right

683
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,440
after our pledge of allegiance. Stand

684
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,750
with me

685
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,159
to the flag of the United States of

686
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:16,880
America and to the republic for which it

687
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840
stands. One nation under God,

688
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:33,830
indivisible, with liberty and justice.

689
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,520
» All right. So, we are going to move on

690
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
to our assistant to be heard. Do we have

691
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,880
anyone in the audience that would like

692
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600
to come up and speak?

693
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,470
Come on up.

694
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480
I want to bring up something that's not

695
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,039
on the current commission um agenda.

696
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,919
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Pete Gross. I just want

697
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,600
to bring up a subject that may come up

698
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,360
before the commission, maybe not, but

699
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,880
worth me planting some seeds of thought

700
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,760
to you if for if and when it does. This

701
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240
is about people who don't learn history

702
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,279
are doomed to repeat it. um the history

703
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,360
of the nuclear. So operation gigawatt

704
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,120
which is related to the data centers

705
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,799
that are proposed Boxelder County and

706
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,120
all that controversy. Professor Cox has

707
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840
his operation gigawatt which gigawatt

708
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000
which emphasiz strongly emphasizes

709
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
nuclear power. I'd like to point out

710
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,440
that of 253 nuclear reactor orders in

711
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,679
the United States less than half of

712
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:33,840
those were ever built. Most were

713
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,360
cancelled. Some of them were abandoned,

714
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,960
partially constructed. By 1978, nuclear

715
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,080
reactor orders had plummeted to zero,

716
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,360
except for right at the end of the year,

717
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,039
there were a couple last minute ones.

718
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,080
Both of those ever got constructed again

719
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,679
because there was no business case for

720
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,240
it. After a 30-year high hiatus of

721
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,799
nuclear reactor or

722
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,120
during the Bush administration, the 2005

723
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440
energy policy act

724
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
had another billions of dollars to

725
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,399
subsidize nuclear crickets. Nothing

726
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,000
happened. During the Obama

727
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,279
administration, Obama implemented 8.3

728
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,159
billion in loan guarantees. Still

729
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:14,399
nothing. Finally, couple of states,

730
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,039
South Carolina and Georgia, passed what

731
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,159
they call sort of euphemistically

732
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,559
advanced cost recovery programs, which

733
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,480
meant that they could bill rateayers in

734
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,080
advance for the construction of a

735
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,480
nuclear reactor regardless of whether it

736
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,039
actually generated any electricity. So

737
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,960
what happened in uh South Carolina? The

738
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,440
emergency summer ordered fume reactors.

739
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,679
They started construction. They got

740
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,480
about like five or six years into it

741
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
about $9 billion and they abandoned them

742
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,360
bankrupt. So Vodal nuclear reactors in

743
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
three units three and four were ordered

744
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,960
after about 10 years I think something

745
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120
like 10 years behind schedule. They

746
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
finally completed them and they cost

747
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,799
about twice the had the budget. I've got

748
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,279
less than 60 seconds left.

749
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,279
So what about all these other countries?

750
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,520
Finland Oki Luoto unit 2 ordered it

751
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
built by the French

752
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440
took about 15 years to construct about

753
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,000
triple the original budget. So France,

754
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,279
the country that supposedly does nuclear power, right? Flamingville unit

755
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,640
3 AP- 10000 nuclear reactor,

756
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,039
took 17 years to complete and came in

757
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,600
quadruple to whatever seven times the

758
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080
original budget. Meanwhile, solar cost

759
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,279
is plummeting. Utah has superior

760
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,320
um solar resources, just a smidgen right

761
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,039
behind Arizona. And I should probably

762
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,080
wrap up here. So anyway, um, let's not

763
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,000
have history repeat itself in Utah.

764
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Thank you.

765
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,559
>> Okay. Do we have anyone else in the

766
00:31:54,559 --> 00:32:09,269
chambers that would like to come speak?

767
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:11,360
» My name is Alison Matis. I'm a resident

768
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,080
of Gran County. I'm here to exercise my

769
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240
first amendment rights of free speech

770
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,840
and to petition the government for a

771
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,399
redress of griev grievances.

772
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:22,240
I'm going to use an adaptation of an

773
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120
adage among lawyers. Part of it says if

774
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,279
you have the facts on your side, pound

775
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,000
the facts. If you don't have the facts,

776
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,039
pound the table and yell. Two weeks ago,

777
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,200
we saw a whole lot of figuratively

778
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440
pounding the table and figuratively

779
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,679
yelling from three commissioners, Mr.

780
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:43,279
Martinez, Mr. Winfield and Miss McCamas.

781
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,600
Um, and I think that's because defects

782
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,840
are not on their side. This is related

783
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,480
to the shuttle um the shuttle system

784
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,080
that they would have put in for a tune

785
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,799
of $3 million of which half a million

786
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,679
comes from basically us. The TRT

787
00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:00,799
mitigation fund basically comes from us.

788
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:02,799
What we got instead was a whole bunch of

789
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,919
ad hominant attacks, um, disparaging

790
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:09,519
comments about engaged in informed

791
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,159
citizens, other diversionary tactics and

792
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,240
what I considered to be unprofessional

793
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,960
conducts and serious logical fallacies

794
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
that were so extreme that they made the

795
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,799
interpretations the particular

796
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,760
commissioner said based on facts into

797
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,559
turn them into things that are not true.

798
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,799
There were very few, if any, actual

799
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,640
facts in support of Grand County

800
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
spending half a million dollars on the

801
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,279
shuttle system. I believe that it was

802
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,720
particularly telling that one of the

803
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,880
main arguments in shuttle of the shuttle

804
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,919
system was that Mr. Winfield and Mr.

805
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:43,440
Martinez were saying they were getting

806
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
things done. I asked, what's the point?

807
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Why do something just to get something

808
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,880
done if that something is not positive

809
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,960
or beneficial to the citizens of the

810
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,640
county? Particularly when it's

811
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,960
incredibly expensive and it's taking

812
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120
money for other high priority needs for

813
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,039
the county. Again, what's the point of

814
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,120
doing something just to get things done?

815
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,880
This makes me think of a well-known Ed

816
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,159
Abby quote. Growth for the sake of quote

817
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,040
growth is the ide ideology of the cancer

818
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
cell. In terms of getting things done,

819
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,119
Mr. Winfield said two two weeks ago,

820
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,599
quote, I ran on affordable housing and

821
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,760
strong economy and fiscal transparency.

822
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,159
End quote. What does Winfield's track

823
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,320
record have to do with affordable

824
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720
housing? I hopped online, looked at the

825
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,720
TI, and what I saw reported was a

826
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,359
$200,000 loan last winter. I didn't see

827
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:34,159
any other uh uh accomplishments from my

828
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,440
internet search. So, what I'm seeing is

829
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,280
$200,000 for housing and $500,000 for

830
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,839
the shuttle. That seems really distorted

831
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,560
to me. Um,

832
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,119
and also, Mr. Winfield has been the

833
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,440
exact opposite of transparency related

834
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,839
to all this public land uh, management

835
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,560
stuff going to the gardener study to the

836
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,240
uh, December one public lands meeting

837
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,800
and whatever is happening now with

838
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,680
Department of Interior officials uh,

839
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,400
right now. Um, I thought two weeks ago

840
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,920
was a bad day for the financial

841
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,079
well-being of this county and I also

842
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,560
thought it was a pretty shameful day for

843
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,720
this commission with the ad hommon and

844
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,680
attacks and the distortions

845
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,359
that were just so extreme. I know I'm

846
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,280
about out of time so I will wrap things

847
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,680
up. One of the things that and I had a

848
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,440
lot more to say that I was particularly

849
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,599
concerned about was Mr. Winfield saying,

850
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,200
"I will say there's a lot of local

851
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520
keyboard warriors that are spreading

852
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,480
misinformation from day one about this.

853
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,400
I find that and there's more to this

854
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640
quote. I'm just going to say I find that

855
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,320
extremely troubling. I think

856
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,000
commissioners should welcome an informed

857
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480
and engaged citizenry, not disparage

858
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,520
them." Thank you for your time.

859
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,920
>> Do we have any other citizens in the

860
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,910
audience that like to speak?

861
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,079
What about online?

862
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:59,440
>> We do have

863
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,440
>> Oh, go ahead and unmute.

864
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,839
>> Yes. Thanks uh commissioners for your

865
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:08,160
time today. I appreciate you letting me

866
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,280
speak. Um I got a couple things. One is

867
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,960
on the agenda tonight and I'm not sure

868
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,880
what item number it is, but it's on the

869
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,320
asphalt out at the airport. Um, I just

870
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,640
want you guys to look at that very

871
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,920
carefully because I I was at the meeting

872
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,839
last night and they didn't specifically

873
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:28,000
say exactly what that was going to be

874
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,280
paved in front of. I know that a lot of

875
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,160
the hangers that are already built, if

876
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,920
that's where it's going, then that's a

877
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,359
different story. But if they're not

878
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:41,680
built, the county um in their

879
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,040
um they they actually make them um pay

880
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,640
for that if they're building a new

881
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
building. So, I just hope that you guys

882
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,200
will look at that, make sure that that's

883
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
not going in front of buildings that are

884
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,480
getting built because the person is

885
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,720
building that building needs to be uh

886
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,040
pay for that asphalt.

887
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,839
Um, also I don't I don't know where that

888
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,920
money came from, but that's uh an

889
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,280
interesting one for me. Also, um, last

890
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,599
meeting I at the council meeting I was

891
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,640
shut down for, um, wanting to talk

892
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,760
again. I, um, wanted to mention that you

893
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,920
guys talked about the help for the

894
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,520
ranchers and the farmers in our area,

895
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,240
which was great. Um, but there is a lot

896
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,800
of other businesses in our county that

897
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,880
are struggling with the water shortage.

898
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,280
So, I would was hoping that you guys

899
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160
would add that to your uh list of things

900
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,760
to send to the state. So,

901
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560
um, thank you for your time. Um, have a

902
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,160
good meeting.

903
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,560
>> Thank you.

904
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,160
>> All right. Anyone else in the chambers

905
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480
and no one else online? All right. We

906
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,920
are going to move on to our

907
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,839
department reports. So we have our IT

908
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:04,550
department with

909
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,960
» sending service.

910
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,920
>> Hi everybody.

911
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,200
>> Hey

912
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
>> I can talk here. I can talk here

913
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,310
this for you.

914
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,079
» As noted I can kind of walk around this

915
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,720
room as you all know and we can hear

916
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,720
each other. Um, so you know everybody on

917
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,760
peanut gallery when they comment it also

918
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,240
shows up online too.

919
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,800
The reason I start this off with that is

920
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,520
that I'm standing here not in front of a

921
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,599
microphone and I guarantee you that any

922
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,440
one of the AI notetakers that are

923
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,960
actively being used in everybody's

924
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,200
pockets and listening to this meeting

925
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,960
are transcribing every little tiny word

926
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040
that I'm going to say whether I say it

927
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,720
like this say it like this

928
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,160
please be aware of the technology that's

929
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,880
around you. I like to start stuff up

930
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,320
sometimes a little bit of theatrics,

931
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480
right? About I was going to come

932
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,079
in here and like flash the lights and

933
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,599
won't give you a stroke or something.

934
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,160
So, um I have a report for you. It's in

935
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,520
your packet. Um I don't know if you've

936
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,079
taken the time to read the report. It's

937
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,680
in essence the same report that I

938
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,160
provided here for the last 15 years. um

939
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,320
in my 16th year of employment here at

940
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,800
the county and I am your IT director. My

941
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,359
name is Matt Sanoseros. Um and my

942
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,760
department have a mission statement and

943
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,200
goals because I really believe in

944
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,440
strategic planning. Uh if we don't have

945
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,520
a focus on the way that we're working as

946
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,359
an organization and the people that

947
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:41,607
we're leading behind us are kind of back

948
00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:43,119
[clears throat] there flailing and

949
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,599
picking up scraps the best we go. My

950
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,359
mission statement is for our department

951
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:48,960
is that Grand County Information

952
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Technology Services provides reliable,

953
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,320
robust and integrated technology which

954
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,640
improves the ability of a county to

955
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,359
serve its constituency.

956
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:00,800
And our goals [clears throat]

957
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,640
very simple is that we just strive to

958
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,960
provide solutions that improve the

959
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,079
efficiency, the accessibility, and the

960
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,839
security of the communications and data

961
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,480
that we have. Those are the same mission

962
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,280
and goals that I've had for our IT

963
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,040
department for a long time at this

964
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,119
point. Try to stick to them. Um,

965
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,760
I don't have a nice polished speech to

966
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,839
give you all. Um, I give you this report

967
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:30,000
every year in the same basic format,

968
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,160
hoping that you read it and I come to

969
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,680
you with a little bit of theatrics and

970
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,320
hope that you have some questions for me

971
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
because as you see in my report, there's

972
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,599
lots of words on here, guys. I'm

973
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:42,560
responsible for a lot of different

974
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,040
things here at the county. Um, and I'd

975
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,640
be happy to talk and take the 15 minutes

976
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,599
of my department report and give you

977
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,560
back something that's of use to you as a

978
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,760
commission. So, to that end, I open it

979
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,240
up initially with questions and if not,

980
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,599
I'll just keep talking and

981
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,599
please [clears throat]

982
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,680
>> you uh Sorry.

983
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,599
>> Yeah, please.

984
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,119
>> You spoke about the uh computer screen

985
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:11,839
behind you.

986
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:12,240
>> Yes.

987
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,000
>> Yeah. needs on budget.

988
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,640
>> Yes, sir.

989
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,520
>> Okay. All right.

990
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,000
>> Please.

991
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,119
>> From my perspective, I need to know. It

992
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,280
is really nice to know those before

993
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,000
budget season.

994
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,720
>> Heck yeah.

995
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,560
>> Uh so we don't see them pile up come

996
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,800
budget season. Uh so thank you for

997
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,960
saying that today. So we we know the

998
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,599
ball is rolling. I mean it's

999
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,760
>> rather see those preemptively than uh

1000
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,160
come budget season. and uh everyone it's not a sense of everyone's hands out

1001
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,119
but it does consume the totality of uh

1002
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,680
my capabilities to go over line by line

1003
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,920
at that time this time of year it's been

1004
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,960
really nice to know

1005
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
>> absolutely and to that end I appreciate

1006
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,760
the question um this is very early in

1007
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,560
the year for department reports um I

1008
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,400
made it a point when the schedule came

1009
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
out this year said you know what I put

1010
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,000
mine at the top of the list

1011
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,240
>> because I don't I don't want to get this

1012
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,079
washed into

1013
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,200
>> budget time. Anything else?

1014
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,760
I'm seeking to get our GIS person

1015
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,200
reclassified because his jobs have

1016
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680
increased. His roles have increased. He

1017
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,640
does a great job. Fantastic staff. I

1018
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,319
think that we need to award and

1019
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:26,480
really hold on to the key players and

1020
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,079
staff that we have here. Um, and to that

1021
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,200
end, there is certainly budget on top of

1022
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,240
everybody's mind. Um, and God knows

1023
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:37,920
there's a whole lot of hot topics that

1024
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,079
I'm going to try to

1025
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,440
not step on here. But, um, to that end,

1026
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680
I it's not cheap. Um, you know,

1027
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,760
sometimes you pay for what you get. Um,

1028
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,000
I'd be happy to go along about any one

1029
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,440
of these particular things. You brought

1030
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,560
up TV. Thank [clears throat] you so

1031
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,280
much. Um, I tried to make this room as a

1032
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,000
hybrid type of a solution so that you

1033
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,560
don't have to have a dedicated EV person

1034
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,760
here. You've got Quinn.

1035
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,800
deserves a round of applause

1036
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,040
as well as all the comm community the

1037
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,560
commission administration staff. They do

1038
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,040
a great job of moderating make sure all

1039
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,440
stuff runs. But by and large, it does

1040
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,680
run on Zoom. Zoom is the key to keeping

1041
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,319
this whole system running. It's hybrid.

1042
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:27,440
Um, in the room itself, you have this

1043
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,280
lovely thing which was a touchcreen. It

1044
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,200
was purchased as a touchscreen by

1045
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,119
request from the commission because you

1046
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,599
all wanted to get up here and touch it.

1047
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,760
Nobody uses it.

1048
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,440
We really love to put this somewhere

1049
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,960
where it does get used like out at the

1050
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,800
EOC or some of our training facilities

1051
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,160
or something else.

1052
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,599
>> We've talked about putting like a video

1053
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,400
wall here. I can clean all this up. All

1054
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,560
your wires go here. Give you a lot more

1055
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880
platform to be able to see. have

1056
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,560
different cameras, different pieces we

1057
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,599
can add into this. I'm all ears for what

1058
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,760
you want to go with. So, please

1059
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,200
absolutely.

1060
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,190
>> Right.

1061
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,960
» Um, so you spoke of vision right there.

1062
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Um, one of the things when uh, uh,

1063
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640
myself and Commissioner Winfield were up

1064
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,119
at the NATO conference, was the WC A2,

1065
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,680
which is a requirement that uh, uh, that

1066
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,640
counties uh, um, become or or uh,

1067
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,040
governments become ADA compliant. And

1068
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,560
then I just looked it up here. So, it's

1069
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,400
April 26, 2027 that uh, all counties

1070
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,960
over 50,000 people are required to be

1071
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,480
compliant. And then it's April 26, 2028

1072
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,400
that all counties underneath 50. So that

1073
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,760
would be our deadline right there.

1074
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,079
Correct.

1075
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,560
>> Um are you working on on on bringing us

1076
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,160
up into those those standards?

1077
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:42,560
>> Yes.

1078
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,960
>> Uh WAG is the web content accessibility

1079
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,560
guidelines 2.0. Um and as noted there's

1080
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,000
some dates in there depending on

1081
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,960
population for government websites very

1082
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,720
specifically to become accessible for

1083
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,520
all sorts of people. Um, we just heard

1084
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
from DOE there's all sorts of people in

1085
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,800
this world that have disabilities and we

1086
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,000
as government it's kind of we're

1087
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,160
negligent in some regards if we're not

1088
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,880
able to provide it in the way that they

1089
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,119
can consume it whether they're blind,

1090
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:18,720
whether they're deaf, whether they're

1091
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,200
part of scene. There's all those pieces

1092
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,800
that go into the website so that you

1093
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,119
have all your metadata tags, all of

1094
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,440
those pieces that uh provide that

1095
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,480
accessibility translation, uh lookup

1096
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,680
features, uh being able to even use

1097
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,079
eyesight to be able to read. Um there's some really cool interesting

1098
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,359
things when it comes to disability

1099
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:42,160
pieces and we're very much on top of it

1100
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,400
on on top of it. We're working on it to meet that 2028 date. Um, I'm trying

1101
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,480
to throw that in priority with all the

1102
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,800
other pieces that potentially are out

1103
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,520
here, but absolutely on our radar.

1104
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,119
>> As things are updated, we're making sure

1105
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,160
that we keep that in.

1106
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,000
>> Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. And when we

1107
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,839
went through, we did a redesign of our

1108
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,440
website not too long ago. It's been a

1109
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,760
couple years by now. Um, but we did do a

1110
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,760
thorough review at the time of our

1111
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,040
website redesign. Um, picking up all the

1112
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,280
various WG

1113
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,720
violations, if you want to call it that.

1114
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,960
Uh we went through a significant effort

1115
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,400
going through cleaning up pieces, making

1116
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,480
sure the metadata and all the stuff was

1117
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,480
on pictures as part of that redesign

1118
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,599
branding. Um and with our uh website

1119
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:26,800
post, um they help provide that service

1120
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,000
as well too. But you bring up cost,

1121
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,680
a lot of these companies out there will

1122
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,680
just give you a report, it fix it. So

1123
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,040
there's definitely man [clears throat]

1124
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,960
hours and other pieces. And the way our

1125
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,560
website is has a content management

1126
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,599
system in it.

1127
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,359
>> And so each department is actually

1128
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,119
responsible for updating their section

1129
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:47,839
of the website. And so as the public is

1130
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:49,040
sitting here listening to this and you

1131
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,680
guys look at our website, if you have a

1132
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,319
particular page that's not updated, it's

1133
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,240
that department head, that elected

1134
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,680
official, they have access into it. They

1135
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,800
should be able to update it.

1136
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,480
>> And so those costs would then be that

1137
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,319
department's costs to

1138
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:03,680
>> it. It just kind of yep

1139
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,280
>> filters out into the ether essentially

1140
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,160
as

1141
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,520
>> with our Adobe software

1142
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,640
>> basically. Um kind of same.

1143
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,079
>> Any other questions?

1144
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,960
>> Um not a question but just a comment and

1145
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,520
that was that your report was not in the

1146
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,839
packet but Dana has since uploaded it

1147
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,680
since you mentioned that we should have

1148
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,319
read it. So, it's now in there for the

1149
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:28,400
public and for us to look Yeah.

1150
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,160
>> is now good because I looked through all

1151
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,720
my email.

1152
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,920
>> I I I looked in there this morning and I

1153
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920
saw that it was checked for some reason

1154
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640
to not be in the agenda, but it was

1155
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,119
definitely attached to your

1156
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,560
>> I just wanted people to know.

1157
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,599
>> No, please. I Yeah, absolutely. There's really not a whole lot of stuff

1158
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,670
in here that is

1159
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,359
there's nothing in here that is

1160
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,920
proprietary or you know security minded

1161
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,359
or is going to reveal any super secrets

1162
00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,920
or that kind of stuff. Uh any other

1163
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,480
questions?

1164
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,920
>> We just want you to know why we're not

1165
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,240
prepared.

1166
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,520
I I thank you. That's what I was going

1167
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,520
to say. I really appreciate that. Um to

1168
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,079
that end I I I know that I want to be

1169
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,760
respectful time actually. Yeah. So, you

1170
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,079
opened with uh you were you made a uh

1171
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,160
made a remark about AI note takers and

1172
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,680
such and that made me realize that just

1173
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,359
today I I literally had three different

1174
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,559
AI note takers send me uh summaries from

1175
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:25,280
that I didn't ask

1176
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,720
>> you had no idea that you

1177
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,800
>> absolutely that came into my email and

1178
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,853
so what since you brought that up is

1179
00:48:30,853 --> 00:48:32,079
[clears throat] is there jeopardy there

1180
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:33,359
and if so absolutely

1181
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:34,240
>> what is it

1182
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,760
>> very much so and and you please correct

1183
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,079
me if I'm wrong Mr. shocks. Um, and this

1184
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:43,760
is actually kind of interesting because

1185
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,280
I I brought this up um part of my role

1186
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,680
in as I've worked here I with UAC and

1187
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
whatnot. You all might remember I am on

1188
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,359
the cyber security commission for the

1189
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:56,800
state of Utah. Uh a couple meetings ago

1190
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
we had of the capital had discussion

1191
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,079
with governor and everybody else and

1192
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,000
some of this bit was about literally

1193
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,800
about AI noteakers and same kind of

1194
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,280
story of oh my gosh I just participated

1195
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,160
in this meeting I've got all these notes

1196
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,800
that verbatim shows all these pieces.

1197
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,520
The reason I opened with that is that

1198
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,640
out of that meeting the CIO for the

1199
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,800
state of Utah and otherwise came back

1200
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,119
and they kind of looked at all of what

1201
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:26,960
is happening with note takingaking and

1202
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,079
all of this uh within the cyber security

1203
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,920
commission there is uh representatives

1204
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,200
from the attorney general's office and

1205
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,760
otherwise and they have come back with

1206
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,559
essentially the same guideline if you

1207
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,960
want to call it that is that as

1208
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,440
notetakers and AI is a very very

1209
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,359
interesting animal and AI can mean lots

1210
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,920
of different things. Um, I'm happy to go

1211
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,559
down any one of those pieces, but AI

1212
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,280
notetakers, it's taking a large language

1213
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,520
model, listening to yourself, as putting

1214
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
out a document.

1215
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
That's fine in and of itself because as

1216
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,960
we take notes in an official capacity,

1217
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,760
your notes aren't necessarily

1218
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,359
subject to grammar. They're just your

1219
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,359
own

1220
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:11,839
population of your own thoughts.

1221
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:15,839
note taker that is through a source and

1222
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:17,680
been processed and otherwise it's given

1223
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,319
back to you as a document that's still a

1224
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:21,839
note.

1225
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:24,400
As soon as you take that note and you

1226
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200
modify it and you save it, that note is

1227
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,440
now a document

1228
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,200
and that document is now subject to

1229
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,839
grandma.

1230
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,160
>> So don't do that.

1231
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,440
>> I don't know how else to end that

1232
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,000
statement other than a big smile.

1233
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,960
um be very cautious as you go about

1234
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,880
things. Not saying that anybody is

1235
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,240
trying to hide anything by any stretch

1236
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,680
of the imagination being grandma. Um but

1237
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,520
Utah, you know, we're certainly working

1238
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,440
on the Utah data privacy act. Um I am

1239
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,720
your chief officer for data privacy.

1240
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,640
We're doing data privacy program

1241
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,559
implementation across the board, record

1242
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,440
series and all of this. And the reason I

1243
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,200
bring it up from a conversation at the

1244
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,920
capital literally with CIO and attorney

1245
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,000
general's office and otherwise and the

1246
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,559
advice that they come back with is to be

1247
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,119
very very careful with your note takers

1248
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,640
i.e. don't use them to create some other

1249
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,120
official type of a document. If you

1250
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,520
[clears throat] want to, please use your

1251
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,119
notes. I'm not saying to not use a

1252
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,160
notetaker, but if I can leave you with

1253
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,920
anything about AI and if you can

1254
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920
remember anything out of anything I say,

1255
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,440
I appreciate you're not prepared for

1256
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,800
this, but you have to keep the human in

1257
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,440
the loop and any AI product that you

1258
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,079
have, you can't just directly rely on

1259
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,559
that it's verbatim what it is. Part of

1260
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,400
the reason I have with a paper or some

1261
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,680
other people coming in here and saying,

1262
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,240
"Oh, this is exactly transcript."

1263
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,319
Probably close,

1264
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,119
but is it actually official? And across

1265
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,960
the state of Utah, it's becoming more

1266
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440
and more an accepted thing that people

1267
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,440
are taking AI noteakers

1268
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,559
as your minutes.

1269
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,640
Just caution you on that's the biggest

1270
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,599
advice of my

1271
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:12,400
>> Thank you, Matt.

1272
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,280
>> Absolutely. Thank you for the question.

1273
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,760
I have one last question for you. Um, so

1274
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,920
when I remember a few months ago you

1275
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,720
asking for some help with the a dead

1276
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,319
horse point for some radio

1277
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:24,880
>> Yes, ma'am.

1278
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,760
>> towers. How did that end up?

1279
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,720
>> Still in progress.

1280
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:29,200
>> Okay.

1281
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,800
>> Um,

1282
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,319
it's only been August since I came and

1283
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:33,520
saw you, so it hasn't even been a whole

1284
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,640
year since I've stood up in front of

1285
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,200
you. Um, the dead horse point one. Um, I

1286
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,000
did go up to the capital to advocate for

1287
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,319
an appropriations bill from Senator

1288
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,200
Harper and Senator Albreight to continue

1289
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,200
funding for the Utah Cyber Center.

1290
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,240
That's why I left the capital. Um, I

1291
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,200
just so happened in [clears throat] that

1292
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,200
appropriations meeting to ask for my own

1293
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,040
personal privilege and they let me talk

1294
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
about Dead Horse Point. That kind of

1295
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,079
started a fire in so many different ways

1296
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,520
and I've had emails and other pieces and

1297
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,240
included you all on it. Grant County as

1298
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,599
well as San Juan County has signed a

1299
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,319
letter of support for it. Um what we're

1300
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:13,599
trying to do is to place a VHF radio

1301
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:18,720
tower um around Dead Horse Point. Um

1302
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,920
where I initially advocated for at the

1303
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,880
visitors center geologically speaking is

1304
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,599
not going to work well for the ideal

1305
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,440
rescue sites to be there. um possibly

1306
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,160
pushing it all the way out to the point

1307
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,960
itself and putting it on the large shape

1308
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,200
structure that's out there potentially

1309
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,960
may work. Um but in all of this I've

1310
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,079
also come to find that me like so many

1311
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,119
things in this world um that there was

1312
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,640
already a grant that was approved for

1313
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,640
this and there's was equipment that's

1314
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,000
purchased and that's part of why I've

1315
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,920
just pressed my the brake pedal for a

1316
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,319
minute black. So, I have some equipment

1317
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,240
that's sitting in a warehouse. I have a

1318
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,559
tower, apparently. Batteries, charger, a

1319
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,119
couple other pieces. And they uh

1320
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,400
apparently lined out a location that is

1321
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,640
out on East Mesa is what I call it. Uh

1322
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,920
from Dead Horse Point

1323
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,280
Center out there, it's just a mess

1324
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,359
that's right on the edge of it. And what

1325
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:21,200
we're really trying to do with this is

1326
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,680
reach down into the canyons and

1327
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,079
specifically Cane Creek and up over

1328
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,960
Harra Pass. And if I'm able to get up

1329
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,960
over Harra Pass, we can see back down

1330
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,000
into Cane Creek and Cane Creek and all

1331
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,400
of that area is very, very heavily

1332
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,559
traffked. There's some very, very

1333
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,960
complex rescues that happen out there.

1334
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,559
And communications is

1335
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,240
they become professionals at workounds,

1336
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,839
let's put it that way. And that's what

1337
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:50,480
this effort is to try to help. Uh to

1338
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,839
answer your question very shortly

1339
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,000
though, um because of the fact that I

1340
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,680
found that I have equipment now sitting

1341
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,520
in a closet somewhere, I'm going to use

1342
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,599
that equipment. I'm going to really kind

1343
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,200
of focus on this East Mesa area. Um but

1344
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,599
that has some different archaeological

1345
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,720
pieces and some other possible approval

1346
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:12,400
steps to be able to get out there. Uh,

1347
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,079
I think it's totally doable though and

1348
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,280
I'd like to be able to see some sort of

1349
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,359
traction by the end of the year because

1350
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:19,440
apparently half it's sitting in a

1351
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,800
warehouse already. So

1352
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,640
>> cool. Thank you.

1353
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,240
>> Thanks for the question.

1354
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,760
>> Okay.

1355
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,920
>> Anything else? I I'll make the rest of

1356
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,640
this very very quick. I I promise.

1357
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,920
>> No questions.

1358
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,440
>> Yeah. Thank you so much for for for

1359
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,640
asking a few of them. Um, and please uh

1360
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,160
read this over. I I'm not going to read

1361
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,400
it verbatim since you now have a copy of

1362
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,800
it, but please look it over. If you want

1363
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,040
to go ahead, throw it in a chat GPT and

1364
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,799
tell it to summarize and say what the highlights of it were. It's a

1365
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,960
great way of summarizing all this stuff.

1366
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,079
Um, with being short in time, I will

1367
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,079
just leave you with some notable

1368
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,960
achievements and anticipated budget

1369
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,839
needs. Um, since I talked to you guys

1370
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,799
last, uh, we've rolled out, uh, managed

1371
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:10,480
detection and endpoint response. It's a managed system that lives on

1372
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,280
endpoint computers. Uh it's real time.

1373
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,520
It tracks and blocks unbought software,

1374
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,599
gives you reports, all sorts of things.

1375
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,803
And that uh is in conjunction

1376
00:56:21,803 --> 00:56:24,000
[clears throat] with Utah Cyber Center.

1377
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,200
We are working back and forth with um

1378
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,640
again I'm on the cyber security

1379
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,720
commission for the state.

1380
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,960
the uh

1381
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,440
last government session, they were able

1382
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,000
to get the appropriation that I was just

1383
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,280
speaking of from Harper and Alrech to

1384
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,000
continue the small uh state local

1385
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,559
government programs which takes care of

1386
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,040
this endpoint response, takes care of

1387
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,400
some education, trainings, other pieces,

1388
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,319
but they've also this year uh able to uh

1389
00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:00,319
bring in K through 12 and that is a big

1390
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:04,480
lift uh bringing on K through 12. Um I

1391
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,440
was able to vote and say yes, do it. But

1392
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,319
we appropriated over $30 million

1393
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:12,079
of

1394
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,319
cyber security funds from the state of

1395
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:19,839
Utah to directly assist small, state,

1396
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:22,000
local, territory governments and our K

1397
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,200
through 12. I bring that up because it's

1398
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,319
really unique in the state of Utah or

1399
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:29,680
not in the state of I'm sorry in our

1400
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,920
country. The fact that state of Utah is

1401
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,760
adopting this whole state, they're

1402
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,359
actually standing behind it. They're

1403
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,359
funding it. They're doing it. It's

1404
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:38,480
something completely different than what

1405
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,079
you're going to find in even some of our

1406
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,880
neighboring areas. The the way that

1407
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
cyber happens and how fast it happens

1408
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,319
relies on us to all work together.

1409
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:51,440
Um, we've migrated a whole bunch of our

1410
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,200
core servers, upgraded our storage

1411
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,280
systems. There's over 20 servers and 30

1412
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,839
terabytes of data. My new CIS admin has

1413
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:00,400
been very helpful in all of this. Um, I

1414
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,839
said privacy program been implementing.

1415
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,880
I've been able to extend uh desktop life

1416
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,160
cycles, saves money. Uh, we had a

1417
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,839
emergency purchase the end of last year.

1418
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:15,520
Our phone system failed. um that upfront

1419
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
is a onetime cost, but the savings that

1420
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,319
we're going to get by dropping all the

1421
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:24,470
other superfl

1422
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,960
that system within probably about a year

1423
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,160
or two, a more capable system. Um

1424
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,480
working on policy, procedures, disaster

1425
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,510
control.

1426
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,920
Then you may have seen uh some pieces in

1427
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,400
Facebook and otherwise um I've put

1428
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,440
together been designed, sourced,

1429
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,680
configured, continue figure um our

1430
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,079
sheriff's office trucks. Um I've been

1431
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,160
able to

1432
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,079
work out a deal that saved us about

1433
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:00,799
$18,000 in modems. Um that puts

1434
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:02,960
fancy modem in each one of our trucks.

1435
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,799
Uh each one of our vehicles now has

1436
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:08,319
Starlink on it and a firstn net cellular

1437
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:11,119
device and they will automatically fail

1438
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,520
over when the cellular device drops out.

1439
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,480
It will pop back into the Starlink

1440
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,160
radios and whatnot can actually switch

1441
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,799
over and they can talk over Wi-Fi. So it

1442
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:22,000
kind of helps in some of these

1443
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,319
situations where you're in cany bottom

1444
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,559
don't have a VHF resource or something

1445
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,079
out there and you need to be able to

1446
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,000
talk back to dispatch. It's kind of the

1447
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,680
only way of doing it. We're pretty

1448
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,680
unique in the state by doing it the

1449
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,760
right way the first time. Um there's

1450
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,359
been a few different ways that people

1451
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:39,119
have thrown it together. This is the

1452
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,040
plainest way of doing it. So been able

1453
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,480
to save us quite a bit of money on

1454
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,680
implementing all of that as well. Um as

1455
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,319
far as budgetwide, um I've asked for the

1456
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:53,040
last several years that the commission

1457
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,599
make a priority towards adopting access

1458
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,680
controls. um that's essentially putting

1459
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,559
key cards on this building, cameras, all

1460
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,000
the other fun stuff that goes along with

1461
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,319
it. That's still a high priority list

1462
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:06,160
and I will continue to keep coming back

1463
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,119
with it. Um since it's been kind of

1464
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,160
pushed back every time, I am left to

1465
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,839
just go back to all my department heads

1466
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:16,480
and electeds and say if it is critical

1467
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,480
to you, please bring it up at budget

1468
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,559
time. I'm bringing it up again now to

1469
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:22,400
plant a seed that everybody needs this.

1470
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,200
It's something that be much easier and

1471
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,319
cheaper if we did it all at once. Um

1472
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:31,119
banning network. Uh you might see some

1473
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:34,079
stuff in the next year um like next year

1474
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,599
about network things. Um rolling out

1475
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,319
some other advanced pieces of security.

1476
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:42,960
Uh changing out end of life equipment.

1477
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,200
This building itself uh needs a likely a

1478
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,440
radio distribution system or called a

1479
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,200
BDS. It's a building distribution

1480
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,359
system. Um, it's for emergency

1481
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:55,359
communications. Again, emergency

1482
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,160
responder radios. Um, essentially puts

1483
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,520
antennas on the outside of the building

1484
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,640
and it runs a feeder cable through the

1485
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,799
deep parts of the building, i.e. like in

1486
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:07,119
the jail and places where it's really

1487
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:08,720
hard to get a cell phone reception when

1488
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,000
you're covered. Um, it's not cheap. And

1489
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,839
then we talked a little bit about data

1490
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:16,000
privacy and whatnot. that cost is going

1491
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
to be kind of absorbed in so many

1492
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,359
different ways by various departments

1493
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:20,960
and whatnot, but you'll probably see

1494
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,720
some one-offs and things during budget

1495
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,069
meetings regarding some of those. Um,

1496
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,599
other than that, I will just leave you

1497
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,960
with one final little statement of

1498
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,280
and this one came from chat GPT and

1499
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:42,160
telling me how to sync all of this. and it says

1500
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,640
technology services are no longer

1501
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,280
isolated support functions.

1502
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,079
They are embedded in nearly every county

1503
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,799
operational communications

1504
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:55,520
records, emergency response and public

1505
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,520
facing process.

1506
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,920
Yet all the while the cyber security

1507
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,160
threat landscape with rapid advances in

1508
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,559
artificial intelligence are changing the

1509
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,200
way the world works.

1510
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,640
To that end, I thank you so much for

1511
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,920
taking some time and listening to me

1512
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,480
chat. And if you ever have any

1513
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,400
questions, don't hesitate to reach out.

1514
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,760
More than happy to chat about any one of

1515
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,400
these particular things and listen to me

1516
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,599
and even just know go on for hours.

1517
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,520
Try not to be longwinded. Um but I'll

1518
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,678
give you one more opportunity any

1519
01:02:24,678 --> 01:02:25,680
[clears throat] other questions if that

1520
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,589
might rattle.

1521
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,119
» All right. Well, thank you so much.

1522
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,400
Appreciate y'all.

1523
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,640
>> Thank you.

1524
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,920
>> All right. Moving along to our general

1525
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,000
business action items, discussion and

1526
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,960
consideration of approval. So number one

1527
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,200
is our commission member disclosures and

1528
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,599
future considerations. Mike

1529
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,319
>> uh disclosure my wife works for the

1530
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:51,359
sheriff's department.

1531
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:52,400
>> Okay.

1532
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,359
>> Accentuate.

1533
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,280
>> Any other disclosures and future

1534
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,390
considerations?

1535
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,640
» Okay. We'll move along to approval of

1536
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,680
consent agenda items. A is approval of

1537
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,200
meeting minutes for May 19th, 2026.

1538
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,359
B is the ratification of payment of

1539
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:12,720
bills and those are

1540
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,069
second.

1541
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,280
So total bills is 1,800

1542
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,950
32,53.16.

1543
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,230
Total payroll is $447,6561

1544
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,000
for total bills and payroll of

1545
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,910
2,280,18.77.

1546
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,640
C is a ratification of the change order

1547
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,599
number two Canyon Lands Airport

1548
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,720
additional asphalt. D ratification of

1549
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,000
the OI amendment for contract 251763-1

1550
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,119
Mud Springs. E. Approval of a partial

1551
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,280
refund of property taxes for parcel

1552
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:03,510
02-0-000046

1553
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,640
for the 2025 tax year. And F is a

1554
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,880
renewal ofou with the Mon Valley Fire

1555
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,880
Department administration impacts.

1556
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:13,599
Trish,

1557
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,760
>> I have a question. Can I ask a question

1558
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,359
or do you want me to pull the item and

1559
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:18,799
ask a question? How would you like that

1560
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:19,599
done?

1561
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,440
I think with the consent agenda items,

1562
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,720
we need to pull it

1563
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,319
>> and then ask it. So, which one do you

1564
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:24,720
want to pull?

1565
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,640
>> Um, the ratification of change order

1566
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,150
number two.

1567
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,280
» Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I'm forgot my

1568
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,480
computer. This is the first time I've

1569
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:34,960
ever done

1570
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,640
>> I was wondering why.

1571
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,319
>> I know. The first time I've ever done

1572
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:39,039
that.

1573
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,280
>> So, yeah. C is the ratification of order

1574
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,039
number two for Kenny Lens.

1575
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,280
>> We'll pull that and we will discuss that

1576
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,720
right after number three because

1577
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,640
our director here. So, we'll just move

1578
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,480
that one. Go ahead, Jacques.

1579
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,799
>> Uh motion to approve uh consent agenda

1580
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:58,319
as presented minus item C. Okay. Second

1581
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:02,079
by Commissioner Winfield. All in favor?

1582
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,960
That passes 70. And we will move along

1583
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,039
to number three, which is our

1584
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:08,799
reallocation of previously approved

1585
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:11,440
airport pavement funding at to another

1586
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,200
location at the airport. I'm gonna ask

1587
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,119
Stephen to come up here and then we'll

1588
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,400
also discuss the next one. Remember,

1589
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,119
>> I thought I thought she was pulling both

1590
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:24,240
then.

1591
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,960
>> Well, C is three is not on the on the

1592
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:27,920
consent. Got

1593
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,599
>> so the reallocation of the previous I

1594
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,440
think that's like $54,000. We're going

1595
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,760
to talk about and then the other one's

1596
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,119
like $1,000, but we'll we'll talk about

1597
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:38,799
both and

1598
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:41,039
>> Okay. So, yeah. And uh because it was

1599
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,400
public comment. I'll explain a little

1600
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,760
bit how that how we got that money. So

1601
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,920
if you remember we had to build we built

1602
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,680
taxiway fox trot um that was a county

1603
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,760
funded project. So we borrowed basically

1604
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
$700,000

1605
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,839
from the county which is being paid back

1606
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:01,599
as we build hangers through an impact

1607
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,640
plan. It's a onetime fee per linear

1608
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:05,839
foot. That's how we're paying it back.

1609
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:08,160
We calculated that all based on that

1610
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,119
total amount of $70,000. As it turns

1611
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,960
out, the FAA requires that asphalt be

1612
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,520
laid down as a test

1613
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,760
strip. That's kind of a tongue twister

1614
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,359
first to make sure that it meets the

1615
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:24,160
qualifications for that heavier ramp

1616
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,559
that the FAA funded. We had them lay

1617
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:30,079
that test strip down on Fox Trot because

1618
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,960
it had a lower threshold um because it

1619
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,280
carries less weight. Turns out that the

1620
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,400
test strip failed by the FAA standard,

1621
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,559
but it

1622
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,119
made it by the FAA standard for this

1623
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,640
particular um area. So, we basically got

1624
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,359
$54,000 of free asphalt, which means the

1625
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:53,280
project that we were doing had $54,000

1626
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,119
left over from the appropriate 700,000.

1627
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:58,640
So, since we've already calculated

1628
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,880
everything to pay it back based on the

1629
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,319
700,000, we wanted to take that 54,000

1630
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:09,280
and use it to um renew and restore the

1631
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,079
asphalt in front of countyowned hangers.

1632
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,720
So, the hangers in questions are are the

1633
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,440
two two hangers right now that Red Tail

1634
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,240
operates. And Rory in his comment is

1635
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,599
correct. When somebody builds a new

1636
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,000
hanger, we require them to put the

1637
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,160
pavement in. These are hangers we own

1638
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,319
um and charge rent for and a lot of that

1639
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:34,960
pavement in front of it is failing. So,

1640
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,880
as long as we've got the mobilization to

1641
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,440
do the ramp project that we have, it

1642
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,240
makes sense for us to fix that part

1643
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,720
that's broken in front of our own

1644
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,480
building that we're charging people to

1645
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,839
be in.

1646
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:48,240
>> Question.

1647
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,920
>> So, we're gonna currently get I'll let

1648
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,520
you go. We're gonna currently

1649
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,920
So the $700,000 that was a loan from the

1650
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,119
county to the airport to box shop is

1651
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,599
already set to be repaid at that amount

1652
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:03,839
of linear foot that's going to equal

1653
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:07,200
$700,000 in repayment. So in essence,

1654
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,720
the people that are going to build the

1655
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,160
hangingers out there are going to pay

1656
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,680
for the $54,000 of asphalt that is going

1657
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,080
to help our county hangers.

1658
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:16,880
>> Correct.

1659
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,679
>> Okay. So it's not going to stop us from

1660
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,920
getting repaid that $54,000. So that's

1661
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,319
already going to be that will be repaid,

1662
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:25,120
>> correct?

1663
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,480
>> All right. So it's just a bonus for the

1664
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:27,279
county.

1665
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,319
>> Go ahead, Mike.

1666
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:29,600
>> You already asked my question,

1667
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,319
>> Mary. How long is it going to take

1668
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,120
>> to get repaid? We put the 10 years in

1669
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,279
there. Um it just depends on how quickly

1670
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,759
we we can get hangers built. Right now,

1671
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:42,960
I've got um two leases, not counting the

1672
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,400
two leases that are already signed. So

1673
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,920
we've got four leases um ready to go to

1674
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,880
start building anchors taxiways. So that

1675
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,359
revenue is going to start generating

1676
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,199
pretty soon here because they have to

1677
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,560
pay it at signing of lease.

1678
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,359
>> Trish, did we ever get a contract or

1679
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,640
anou? I remember that the night that we

1680
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:10,239
um that we obligated those funds 669

1681
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:10,960
670

1682
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,759
>> somewhere. There was no contract. And

1683
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:17,040
did we ever have get a contract

1684
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,960
to say that we'll be repaid? Yeah. Um,

1685
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,759
no, but we can we can write one. We we

1686
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,159
just did it on

1687
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,480
the 10-year payback. You just voted on a

1688
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,199
10-year payback and we just went that

1689
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,359
direction, but we can put together.

1690
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,120
>> That was my memory that night that we

1691
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,560
were supposed to get some type of

1692
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,480
contract, which I I spoke to Mark about

1693
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,319
that yesterday actually when I was going

1694
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,159
over some of this information and I

1695
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:43,440
said, "We need to get that just to make

1696
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,199
sure that when none of us are around

1697
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:46,880
that everybody still knows that it's

1698
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,560
happening." And so I think that Mark's

1699
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,679
going to work with you to make sure that

1700
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:50,560
we have

1701
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,400
>> that contract. And then I mean obviously

1702
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,480
you already have anou that's created

1703
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,040
that you're giving to the hanger people

1704
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,640
that is that states that that money is

1705
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,080
going in there. We're just getting that

1706
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:00,719
contract.

1707
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,480
>> It's actually written into the lease.

1708
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,159
>> Written into the lease. Yeah. Yeah.

1709
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,239
>> So then we have that when none of us are

1710
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,800
around in seven years. You never know.

1711
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,560
>> Exactly. No, I understand. That makes

1712
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,360
sense to me.

1713
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,120
>> All right. Um Jock.

1714
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,640
>> Yeah. Um, so had this 54,000 not come

1715
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,120
up, is this was this like a priority

1716
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,880
spot or is this kind of like, oh, we

1717
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,600
have 54,000, let's find something to do

1718
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,000
with it?

1719
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,679
>> No, no, no. It's priority spot. It's

1720
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:28,159
failing asphalt that is not FAA eligible

1721
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:29,920
in front of a hanger that we own.

1722
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,600
>> Okay. And then would that have so that

1723
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,520
is that on a priority list then?

1724
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,960
>> Yeah, we would have had to find a way to

1725
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,159
do it

1726
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:38,480
>> on our own. We would have for a week.

1727
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,880
And then the my other question is if we

1728
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,040
didn't allocate this for that this money

1729
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,640
is basically county money because it's

1730
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,080
not getting lent. So it would remain in

1731
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,880
our capital uh capital fund to be used

1732
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,560
on other projects that might correct

1733
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,480
needed. Okay. Thank you.

1734
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:55,120
>> I'm going to go Mike and then D.

1735
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,320
>> I'd like to make the motion. And I move

1736
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,960
to approve the use of $54,000 saved in

1737
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,440
the taxi link F project to repair the

1738
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,760
pavement in front of the county owned

1739
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,159
hangers during the apron reconstruction

1740
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:12,630
project commencing June 8th.

1741
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,320
» Brian

1742
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,880
and then Trish had a comment. So is this

1743
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:22,239
on your capital um projects list? Yeah,

1744
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:26,000
>> it's because I I I do it under project.

1745
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,760
It's it might I don't know that it's

1746
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,679
exactly on it to fix that 50 ft.

1747
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:32,080
>> Yeah, I didn't see it,

1748
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,600
>> but we can we can certainly put it on

1749
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,560
it. It should be on it.

1750
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,520
>> It's not on.

1751
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,520
>> It absolutely should be on that list

1752
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,679
because there is a section of it that is

1753
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:40,000
completely

1754
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,600
>> un

1755
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,360
so

1756
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,440
Okay. So, I'd like to make some comments

1757
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,920
if possible. And Gabe, did you sign up

1758
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,480
too, but Gab's first

1759
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,320
>> you were already gone. You keep

1760
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,719
>> Okay. So,

1761
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,640
um [clears throat] I guess I'm

1762
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,159
struggling and I I guess I'll start with

1763
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,040
the long range um capital plan. I looked

1764
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,640
at that today and that's why I know it's

1765
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,760
not on the list. So, on that on that

1766
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,800
list, we have eight departments, 60

1767
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,920
projects. And of the 60 projects in

1768
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,679
those eight departments, only four have

1769
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:14,880
been approved and they're all for the

1770
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,480
airport. So the remaining 54,

1771
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,239
there's a lot of departments that are

1772
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,880
not getting any attention.

1773
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,239
>> And this is it towards you, Steve. So

1774
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:26,800
please don't

1775
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,120
>> I totally understand that

1776
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,719
not going to be paying you back over

1777
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:31,760
time.

1778
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,760
>> Well, we don't have a contract. So until

1779
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,520
I see a contract, I have a hard time

1780
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:36,800
believing we're going to get paid back.

1781
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,440
I hope so. Um, but I did ask for a

1782
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,520
contract that night, which that's been

1783
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,199
quite some time ago that I didn't write

1784
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:43,920
down the dates.

1785
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,760
>> Okay, if I'm missing that contract

1786
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,480
written, I apologize.

1787
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,400
>> Um, [clears throat]

1788
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:53,679
>> so I'm struggling with this concept. If there was money saved, I think it's

1789
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:56,239
fabulous, but that is county money that

1790
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,280
we obligated out of general fund capital

1791
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,560
projects. And so for a department to

1792
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:03,920
say, well, we saved it, so let's just

1793
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,360
move it around and use it again. It's

1794
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,520
like, no, that's county money.

1795
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,239
that there are endless needs in this

1796
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:13,120
county on that that are on the list that

1797
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,800
I think would be better utilized in that

1798
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,120
manner. Um I'm really concerned that

1799
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,280
we have one department that's absorbing

1800
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,960
a huge amount of unbudgeted. I'm going

1801
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,640
to make this very clear. We keep

1802
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,600
spending money that is unbudgeted. Th

1803
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,880
this f this this spend was not within

1804
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,280
budget and it was a huge thin that I'm

1805
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,679
going to go back to that night. There

1806
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:42,480
was no fiscal impact on the agenda.

1807
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,719
There was like two sentences and you did

1808
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:47,280
a great job when you presented but none

1809
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,120
of that was in the packet. So the

1810
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,199
community had no idea, the commissioners

1811
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:56,719
had no idea. Um I was I came in and was

1812
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:59,440
kind of taken aback. So, I really think

1813
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,840
this money should just be well, it's not

1814
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,679
going to be returned because it's still

1815
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:06,159
just in our account and we distribute it

1816
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:09,120
if if we feel I don't think we should

1817
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,960
distribute it at all.

1818
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,000
>> We're in as stated before in fiscal

1819
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,080
crisis. We are well over budget for 2026

1820
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,800
and I don't think we should spend it.

1821
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,040
>> Excuse me.

1822
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,440
>> Okay, Gabe, did you have a comment?

1823
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,679
Yeah, I I just want to say it's it's

1824
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:30,159
very completely valid to sort of bring

1825
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:32,880
up the savings on this other project and

1826
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,800
as as a part of a narrative to support

1827
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,199
an expense like this and and I love

1828
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,199
learning about the idea that the payback

1829
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:40,719
is going to be paid in full and won't

1830
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:44,560
reflect that savings. That's great to learn. But from from a

1831
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,480
budgetary standpoint, this is this is

1832
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,880
just a separate appropriation. It's it's

1833
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,800
just really is its own appropriation.

1834
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,880
And so the way the motion reads, I think

1835
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,880
it's confusing. It makes it sound like

1836
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,719
it was kind of shoehorned into the same

1837
01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:58,640
appropriation of funds and that's just

1838
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,560
really not how the budget works and I

1839
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,159
just want to make sure that that's clear

1840
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,280
for anyone tuning in.

1841
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,640
sense Mike

1842
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,070
>> uh

1843
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,320
to validate Chris uh Trish's concerns

1844
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,239
here uh I I understand those concerns

1845
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:22,480
even if we don't put 54,000 out of this

1846
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,679
uh the need's still there right so we're

1847
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:28,480
going to take 54,000 from anything else

1848
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:32,070
to repair that

1849
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,640
» and stop

1850
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,280
charging for the hanger. I mean, it's our responsibility. Yeah. To make

1851
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,080
sure that that's usable and you taxi

1852
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:42,719
over it.

1853
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:43,120
>> Yeah.

1854
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,199
>> And it's very quickly in in one section.

1855
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,199
There's one section that's not too bad,

1856
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,800
but in one section, um it's very close

1857
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,520
to unusable. Anybody ever visited the

1858
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,000
airport, I'd be happy to show it to you.

1859
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,400
And just to answer, I know that we've

1860
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,640
come hat in hand. I get it. Um,

1861
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,719
like I tried to explain the last time,

1862
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:07,440
these FAA grants and opportunities come

1863
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,000
in waves. This is my and I get that this

1864
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,920
isn't part of that, but it's because

1865
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,679
we've already got the mobilization out

1866
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,227
there and it's the same. It's just

1867
01:16:15,227 --> 01:16:16,320
[clears throat] another section right

1868
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,120
there close,

1869
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:17,600
>> right?

1870
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,719
>> It comes in waves. So,

1871
01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:22,640
you just try and ride the wave when you

1872
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,320
get it. And I don't I I don't know how

1873
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:27,760
else to explain it to you, but I

1874
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:32,320
understand what you're saying that we've come a lot. Yeah.

1875
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,960
>> And Bill, Bill, go ahead.

1876
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,320
>> Yeah. I I struggle also. I struggle with

1877
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,159
somebody that doesn't understand that

1878
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,880
the airport is an economic driver that

1879
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,280
provides the funds to keep this county.

1880
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,760
>> Mary, were you speaking or was I?

1881
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,560
>> I said point of order.

1882
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,199
That's I I I just don't want this

1883
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,280
meeting to turn into the meeting that it

1884
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,480
was before. So when possible, let's uh

1885
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,320
not point fingers.

1886
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,880
>> So again, as I continue here with the

1887
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,480
fact that I'm struggling that folks

1888
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,400
don't understand this is an economic

1889
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,719
driver and this county has been four

1890
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:14,560
years in an economic slump. People have

1891
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,600
described it as a disaster what's gone

1892
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,440
on here for the last four years. So, as

1893
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,120
we put a little bit of money back into

1894
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,760
this airport to keep it up and running

1895
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,880
to provide for this county, for the

1896
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,840
employees that work here, for staff, for

1897
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,080
commissioners, we all live off the

1898
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,560
economy of the taxes that are derived

1899
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,320
here. So, I I would like to

1900
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,560
agree with Mary that it would be nice if

1901
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,800
the political games would stop and that

1902
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,080
we would just move forward and work on

1903
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,159
bringing this county back to just a

1904
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,960
positive

1905
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,960
financial situation rather than a

1906
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,120
negative one. And if we want to continue

1907
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,199
going down this road as we have been, we

1908
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,840
could point fingers as to who caused the

1909
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,640
economic slump that we're in.

1910
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,040
over budget. Where are you getting those

1911
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,040
numbers from? I would like to see those

1912
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,920
statistics and have those pointed out

1913
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,120
clearly because as I look over what the

1914
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,960
counties come in, and I know Gabe has

1915
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,760
supplied us with some information

1916
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,840
and as I've looked at what we're doing,

1917
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,199
we're currently seeing a positive

1918
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,280
with what's coming into this economy for

1919
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,000
I believe at least the last five months.

1920
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,560
So to continue drag us down when we're

1921
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,199
trying to help turn this economy around

1922
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,400
and bring it back is as Mary said is

1923
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,120
kind of a political game. So these are

1924
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,600
county-owned hangers. We have an

1925
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,239
obligation to keep them up or as I think

1926
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,400
Steve mentioned we could stop charging

1927
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:53,199
rent to the FBO that utilizes them. And

1928
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:57,120
the FBO is a big driver out there at the

1929
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,000
airport of bringing in taxes for this

1930
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,920
county. They sell fuel

1931
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,280
which we benefit from. They provide

1932
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,679
parking spaces which we derive some

1933
01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:12,320
income off of. There's all kinds of

1934
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,239
services that when somebody pulls up,

1935
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:15,679
whether they're in a single engine

1936
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,239
airplane or a jet, that we benefit at

1937
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:21,920
this county tax-wise for. So, I I would

1938
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,239
appreciate if we would look at this as

1939
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:26,640
an investment in one of our largest

1940
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,199
economic drivers of this county and

1941
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,320
continue to help bring whatever we can

1942
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,199
back to keep our finances in a positive

1943
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:38,000
situation.

1944
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,080
>> Trish, go ahead.

1945
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,600
>> I'm not going to respond to a lot of

1946
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,120
that because it's just just whatever.

1947
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:52,640
It's Yeah. What my concerns are ine inequities

1948
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,480
um throughout the county. Where we put

1949
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:56,080
where we where are we putting our

1950
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,080
resources that again were not budgeted

1951
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:06,800
and absolute needs that are becoming and I'm not saying this isn't a need.

1952
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,679
I'm sure it is a need. But I've I've

1953
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,920
been to many facilities throughout this

1954
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,159
county and I'm going to tell you there's

1955
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:16,320
a lot of needs out there. One concern

1956
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,320
I'm very concerned about right now is

1957
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,640
solid waste. We're getting into a defcon

1958
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,719
five phase. You know, it's solid waste

1959
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:26,400
district. Um the weeds and and and

1960
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,880
mosquito abatement building is literally

1961
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,880
falling down around them. There's so

1962
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,440
many needs in this county.

1963
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,679
That that's my concern. My concerns with

1964
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,080
that and with the budget and being over

1965
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,440
budget. And we did go into this year

1966
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:45,440
350K is where we pulled from in reserves

1967
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,760
um when in final budgeting at the end of

1968
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,440
25. And so all of these spins are over

1969
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:54,480
budget. Now the fiscal outlook might be

1970
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,480
looking great and that's great. But the

1971
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,120
reality is we we are over budget for

1972
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,560
2026. Um so those are my concerns and

1973
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,400
that's why I will continue to vote

1974
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,320
against spends that are outside of

1975
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,719
budget. I'll just continue because we've

1976
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:11,280
got to pull in the reins at some point

1977
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,640
and these are needs that could be

1978
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,560
addressed in 27. I think they should go

1979
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,080
on the capital improvements list with

1980
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,320
all the other departments. I would

1981
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,159
encourage all commissioners to look at

1982
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,320
that list. I'm happy to send it out to

1983
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,640
you to see the needs that are being

1984
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,760
asked for um with these with the various

1985
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,840
departments. So, that's where I'm coming

1986
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:30,320
from.

1987
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,239
>> Hey, just real quickly, you're right.

1988
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,360
Yeah, we could we could bandate it or

1989
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,400
whatever and wait till 27, but we won't

1990
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,920
already have a contractor out there

1991
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:40,400
holding it.

1992
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,640
>> I know. I know. I've heard that. I heard

1993
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,280
that. That's why we did the the six the

1994
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,000
670 or 69 reality.

1995
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,600
>> Yeah. I pulled up the capital's list

1996
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:50,880
while I was sitting here talking about

1997
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,800
that and I think you said that like

1998
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,880
>> I counted six projects got done, but I'm

1999
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,440
counting well over a dozen and every

2000
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,840
department had something done. This is

2001
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,560
the most updated list that I got today

2002
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,520
and out of all the departments that only

2003
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,880
I saw I saw

2004
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,199
four approved out of 60 and they were

2005
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:11,520
all

2006
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,719
>> Well, maybe that's because all the other

2007
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,400
ones that we approved in February have

2008
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,320
already been taken off there. So, we did

2009
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:17,520
a whole bunch of them.

2010
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,520
>> Okay. So, I'm looking this is this is

2011
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,120
the updated list that I

2012
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,639
>> and there's a whole bunch that we've

2013
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:23,840
approved and that are being worked on

2014
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,520
and that are that are taken care of. So

2015
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,960
maybe those were all taken off of the

2016
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,159
list and this is the list I got today.

2017
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,320
>> So all right and I think Jacques had one

2018
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:33,440
more comment and then I'll call for a

2019
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:33,920
vote.

2020
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:38,800
>> Yeah, I I Yeah, this is a tough one. I I definitely see the value in spending

2021
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,199
the 54 out of the airport and as Steve

2022
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:43,040
said, we already have a contractor out

2023
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,000
there. I think uh we just heard a

2024
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,560
department report where Matt said he had needs. I think every single uh

2025
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,840
person every single department in the

2026
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:52,960
county is going to come before us and

2027
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,679
say that they have needs as well. I it's

2028
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:56,719
tough, but I think my personal

2029
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:58,400
preference would just be to see the

2030
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,199
54,000 go back to capital projects and

2031
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:04,400
be spent um or or at least decided on in

2032
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,400
a more holistic manner. So spent that

2033
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,000
way. But that that's all I have to say

2034
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,880
and I' I'd love to hear a vote call.

2035
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,159
>> Okay, I'm going to go ahead and call for

2036
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,159
a vote. So we had a motion by Mike and a

2037
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,679
second by Brian to go ahead and fund the

2038
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:18,080
$54,000. Well, yes, basically we are

2039
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,480
funding the $54,000 with this project.

2040
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,600
So all in favor

2041
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,000
and all post that passes the four to

2042
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,360
three with Commissioner Mcan,

2043
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,719
Commissioner Heather, Commissioner Dean

2044
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:31,360
in opposition. May I ask you a question?

2045
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,840
>> Yeah. For just future considerations, I

2046
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,080
would love to see that contract once it

2047
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,920
goes to Stephen and I I'm not expecting

2048
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,760
it to be on the next meeting, but I'd

2049
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,440
love to see it in the next month.

2050
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,400
>> I would too at the latest on the

2051
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,560
>> Y.

2052
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:47,840
I appreciate it.

2053
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,229
>> Thank you.

2054
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,360
Oh, we're talking about another one.

2055
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:53,679
>> Sorry.

2056
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,840
>> It's just a quick question.

2057
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:56,719
>> We're all good.

2058
01:23:56,719 --> 01:23:58,880
>> It's just about change order number two

2059
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,080
for CNY. So, some additional asphalts.

2060
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,880
Yeah.

2061
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,880
>> And that all looks good. And I

2062
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,040
understand the the match and all that,

2063
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,280
but it it is a thousand bucks or a

2064
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,719
little over a thousand bucks, but it did

2065
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:13,280
not have it's not within budget

2066
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,199
>> and it doesn't say where the money's

2067
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,520
coming from. Do you know who's going to

2068
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,920
pay for that? where the 10,000 is coming

2069
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:20,320
from.

2070
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:21,520
>> Is that coming out of your budget?

2071
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,880
>> We can take it out of my budget.

2072
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,080
>> And if somewhere down there,

2073
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,360
>> then we'll have to request some more

2074
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,760
later, but but we can.

2075
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,280
>> Well, it doesn't say where it's coming

2076
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:31,920
from,

2077
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,639
>> right?

2078
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:33,280
>> Okay.

2079
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:33,600
>> Usually,

2080
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,639
>> I mean, if it's coming out of the

2081
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:34,960
county,

2082
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,480
>> all of our all of our matches have been

2083
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,159
coming out of the county. So, when we do

2084
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,560
an AIP project and we send it through,

2085
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,000
it comes out of the county. So, my

2086
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,600
anticipation was that was where this

2087
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:44,560
would come as well.

2088
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,920
>> So, um,

2089
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,239
>> so maybe it's a grant. I don't know how

2090
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:50,480
this usually works and maybe you you the

2091
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,719
admin can help me. Um when you guys are

2092
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:55,600
or or uh the chair could help me like

2093
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,199
when you guys are putting together the

2094
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,560
agenda. Um I think the fiscal impact

2095
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,560
should always be there and then just the

2096
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,480
budget line item where it's coming out

2097
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,120
of I think it'd be really good to just

2098
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,360
have for for me I get really

2099
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,719
uncomfortable when I don't know where

2100
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:12,159
that money is coming from. I would

2101
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:13,600
imagine it makes her feel a little

2102
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,719
uncomfortable also.

2103
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:19,199
So that's all I'm asking is that we have

2104
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,199
a line item. I don't know why it's

2105
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,639
funny. I don't think it's funny. I think

2106
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:24,560
it's very serious. We have a line item

2107
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,920
where that money is coming from.

2108
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,760
>> I think that's I'm not

2109
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,040
>> I know. I'm saying I think that's

2110
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,520
doable. We just We have an AIP project

2111
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,199
that's already underway.

2112
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,280
>> And already done one change order to it.

2113
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,040
>> This isn't on you, Steve. I'm saying

2114
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,840
there's a process up here that to this

2115
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,000
is not on you.

2116
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,440
>> What I think it's a change order. It was

2117
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:44,800
something that had to be done and the

2118
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,199
county, it does say county share. So on

2119
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,600
the fiscal impact says $1,50, it says

2120
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,840
county share. So the county would be

2121
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,159
paying that. And generally in our um

2122
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:56,320
purchasing policy, things that are under

2123
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,800
$5,000 don't come before the commission.

2124
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,040
So this but this is a ratification. This

2125
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,199
is I signed this change order for this

2126
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,199
and that's why it's here is because it

2127
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,199
was a ratification from the chair to

2128
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:09,840
sign. So those are generally the the way

2129
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,280
that it's that's how it's been working

2130
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,600
since I've been a commissioner.

2131
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,440
I'd like to see some budget line items.

2132
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,440
I think that's an easy ask.

2133
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:19,360
>> It's already signed. Yeah. And I don't

2134
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,199
know that Gabe already always knows

2135
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:26,070
where that's going to go in the budget.

2136
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:26,800
» Answer that, Gabe.

2137
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,280
>> It's an AIP project. So that's fund 56

2138
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,840
that's associated with the airport. Um

2139
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,960
and the county share it

2140
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,159
because this is a capitalizable asset.

2141
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,159
Um, you know, even though what we're not

2142
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:42,239
spending more than $5,000 on it, it

2143
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,560
would be most appropriately attached to

2144
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,960
as a capital like I would I would tend

2145
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,880
to go towards capital projects because

2146
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,199
it is um, you know, the overall project

2147
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,440
and its overall cost is applicable to

2148
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:56,320
that fund. Um,

2149
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,480
that's how I would shoot that.

2150
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,239
>> That sounds good.

2151
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,920
>> Take it out, put on your capital

2152
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,719
project. I just want to know that stuff.

2153
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:05,440
Mike,

2154
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,080
>> that

2155
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,080
>> we have we need to vote on this. So,

2156
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,480
I'll propose the motion. I move to

2157
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,080
approve the ratification of change order

2158
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,239
number two, CNY, additional asphalt in

2159
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:17,520
the fiscal impact of $1,50 for the

2160
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,560
county share.

2161
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,400
>> And Bill second. All in favor?

2162
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,120
Okay, that passes 70. Thank you, Steve.

2163
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,320
I voted for that.

2164
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,800
>> Thank you. I appreciate [laughter] it.

2165
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,239
>> Mary, go ahead. I just u may I I you

2166
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:35,520
know was listening and trying to figure

2167
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,280
out what's happening and I think maybe

2168
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,520
there's some confusion when

2169
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,040
uh some people are talking about the

2170
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,120
budget they're talking about how much

2171
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,159
money we have coming in

2172
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,840
and then when other people are talking

2173
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,760
about the budget they're talking about

2174
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,000
what we budgeted for

2175
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,800
and and so if you're thinking about the

2176
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,440
money coming in there's more money

2177
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,800
coming in we expected. So that's up. But

2178
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,639
we have spent money that wasn't in our

2179
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:13,280
budget. So I think I I'm seeing that

2180
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,120
they're they're they're talking about

2181
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,480
budget but they're referring to

2182
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:19,840
different we have money coming in but

2183
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,120
>> and and I I'm hoping that you know that

2184
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,080
could help with the this with the

2185
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,480
understanding of one person saying that

2186
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,560
we are under budget and the other person

2187
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,560
saying we're over. I think it's just

2188
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,320
being looked at differently. Well, and

2189
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,560
I'm talking about the approved 2000.

2190
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,960
>> Move on to item number six, which is the

2191
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,360
2026 cooperative wildfire system

2192
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,080
agreement. That is with I don't think

2193
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,760
Kate's

2194
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,199
>> she's online. She is

2195
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:50,080
>> Kate's online. And then Stephen, are you

2196
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,440
going to be helping with this one as

2197
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:51,760
well?

2198
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,159
>> Yes.

2199
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:55,189
>> Okay.

2200
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:57,360
» Good afternoon. Could I get some

2201
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,760
indication that I am being heard?

2202
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,199
>> We can hear you.

2203
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,080
>> Perfect. Okay. County Attorney STAX. I

2204
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,159
thought I could just do a quick overview

2205
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,320
of the system and then you could move

2206
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,400
into your comments. Does that work?

2207
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,080
>> Yes.

2208
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,719
>> Great. So, the cooperative wildfire

2209
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:17,760
system is a system in which local

2210
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,760
government, so counties and

2211
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,840
municipalities

2212
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,520
>> commit to certain mitigation actions and

2213
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,080
preparing these activities.

2214
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,880
In exchange, the state provides

2215
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,280
financial protection for catastrophic

2216
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,520
wildfires.

2217
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,400
>> Outside it's

2218
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,320
coming from Kate. I think that she's got

2219
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:41,040
some background noise.

2220
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,239
>> Kate's got a little bit of background

2221
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,800
noise. While she's um while she's

2222
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,600
adjusting that, um my office is

2223
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,800
reviewing this contract and this

2224
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,639
document. Um if the commission would

2225
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,159
like to pass this this evening, we're

2226
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:54,159
just asking for additional time for this

2227
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:56,800
to be um or to be approved contingent on

2228
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,120
the attorney's office review. There's a

2229
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,760
couple contracts that uh UAC is

2230
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,639
reviewing in connection with the um

2231
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:09,920
the entity uh the Utah Division of

2232
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,400
Forest, Fire, and State Lands going

2233
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,560
through and discussing that. and then

2234
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,199
whenever Kate wants to continue on. Um

2235
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:20,800
I don't there she goes.

2236
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,000
>> I'm back.

2237
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:27,440
>> So yeah, so this agreement would

2238
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:29,600
continue the commitment that we've been

2239
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,800
engaging in. So it covers us in 2026 and

2240
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:37,830
then for five years moving forward.

2241
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,679
» That's all I have. I can answer any

2242
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,199
questions.

2243
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:42,800
>> Okay. Mike,

2244
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,159
>> I'd like to make a motion. I move to

2245
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:46,320
approve the 2026 cooperative wildfire

2246
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,280
systems agreement as amended pending

2247
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,000
attorney's office review.

2248
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,960
>> A second.

2249
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,159
>> And Mary, did you have a comment?

2250
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,080
>> Okay. Ryan

2251
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,560
and I uh um I talked with commission

2252
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,120
admin administration. There's also the

2253
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,400
uh wildlands urban interface um

2254
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:09,920
cooperative agreement that will leave

2255
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,639
with FFSL. So, while this is being

2256
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:13,920
reviewed, if we could just make sure

2257
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,199
that there's not going to be any

2258
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:17,840
conflicts between those two contracts.

2259
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,520
Um, I did send it over to Mark, but

2260
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,800
Stephen, I'll get that over to you as

2261
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,080
well, just so that we can make sure that that's able to pass as well. I

2262
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,679
think that we have to have that done.

2263
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:28,080
Um, coming up in the next month, um, and

2264
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,679
then as well, just on an update on that,

2265
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:33,199
we'll also be uh reviewing the uh um the

2266
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:34,960
high-risk map that should be coming out

2267
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,159
as well.

2268
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:37,760
>> Yep, we can definitely do that. Thank

2269
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,600
you. Okay,

2270
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,320
>> any other comments?

2271
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,880
All right. Um all in favor of the motion

2272
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,320
and that passes 70 oh and sorry everyone

2273
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,840
that number four is being um postponed

2274
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,920
and it will be presented after the MTAB

2275
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,320
review and number five also we're

2276
01:31:58,320 --> 01:31:59,840
waiting on some information from the

2277
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,360
applicant and so that was postponed

2278
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,920
until further notice. So moving on to

2279
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,560
number seven is the first amendment to

2280
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,560
contract ABC Thompson LLC and Cassie

2281
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,600
Hines and I'm presenting that. We don't

2282
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,920
have I don't see that we have Santa

2283
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,639
Kerry here. Uh from the information that

2284
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:19,760
I don't know if Mark feel both

2285
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,840
comfortable to give a report of the last

2286
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,510
conversation he had.

2287
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:30,800
I did speak with Carrie and ask her if

2288
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,600
she wanted to continue with preparing

2289
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,320
the agreement. Uh I think there were

2290
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,440
several mentions of returning funds that

2291
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:42,800
the county had had provided, but she did

2292
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,600
indicate that she wanted to continue the

2293
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,199
process. So I indicated that we would

2294
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:50,960
continue to work on the agreement, get

2295
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,629
that to her.

2296
01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:56,960
Um I recently reached out to her and I

2297
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,719
did not receive any response. So I'm had

2298
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:02,480
told her last week that or the last

2299
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,159
meeting that we would be presenting this

2300
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,400
one. So we have drafted the first

2301
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,480
amendment to the contract. I have

2302
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,239
provided some background information. I

2303
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:14,480
think December you are here. Um and then

2304
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:17,360
as far as the contract goes, what is

2305
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,520
included is a pretty tight timeline. Um

2306
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,440
we have site plan should be submitted by

2307
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:27,040
July 15. Um and then that approval of

2308
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,560
that site plan needs to be done by

2309
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,320
August 25th. Um I have business licenses

2310
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,199
uh being acquired by December 1st. Uh

2311
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:38,000
COOs by December 1st and then open for

2312
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,520
business on December 31st. Um we've

2313
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,000
tightened default repayment clawback and

2314
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,840
then acknowledgements um and then

2315
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,239
extended the contract period. So, all

2316
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:52,080
that is lined out with a tighter

2317
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,360
timeline. Um,

2318
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,480
I don't know if you guys have any

2319
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:58,880
questions. Mary, go ahead.

2320
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,520
>> Just I I just want I tried to remember

2321
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,239
from the last. So, if she if the

2322
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,719
contract fails on the first say the

2323
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:11,440
first one, does that mean then we ask

2324
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,040
for repayment?

2325
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,719
>> Yeah. So, so basically what would happen

2326
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,920
is if let's say on July 18th um we don't

2327
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,400
have a site plan that has been submitted

2328
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,600
uh with everything that is needed um

2329
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,840
then it could potentially come back to

2330
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,000
you for extension. But if that extension

2331
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:32,159
isn't expressly um submitted in writing

2332
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,239
before that July 15th that would be a

2333
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,040
default and then there would be 30 days

2334
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,679
to return full funds. So if we vote for

2335
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,639
this tonight, then it's automatic return

2336
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:43,679
funds.

2337
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:46,080
>> Yes. If there's default, if she

2338
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,199
>> That's what I meant. If there's a

2339
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:49,440
default

2340
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,040
once this agreement is is

2341
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,120
>> executed, what we vote for and it's

2342
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,560
executed, then if there won't be coming

2343
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,719
back to us to ask for an extension.

2344
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:02,800
>> Correct. And and if you look at the the

2345
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,480
attachment, so it's the three-page

2346
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,639
attachment on item three, it says

2347
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:08,239
default unless the county commission

2348
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:10,800
approves a written extension failure to

2349
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,280
any milestone identifi identified in

2350
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,840
section two by the required deadline. It

2351
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,639
is considered a material default. Um and

2352
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:21,199
that means that we would be able to seek

2353
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,920
um the terms uh including the repayment

2354
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,080
and clawback. One of the other things

2355
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,239
that was said during the last meeting

2356
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:29,760
was that there was never an obligation

2357
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,400
to open the business. That's not true.

2358
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,880
In the uh in all of the documents and

2359
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,320
original documents, there was the

2360
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,040
requirement to open and in fact she put

2361
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,239
reopen the cafe. Um she had even more

2362
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:46,400
than just the cafe. There was a um

2363
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,199
sandstone time I can't remember what

2364
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:52,159
>> sundial Thank you. Sundials. there was

2365
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,400
going to be a five for five event and it

2366
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:55,679
looks like from the additional

2367
01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:57,440
documentation that she provided to Mark,

2368
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:58,719
there has been a lot of work that's done

2369
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:01,679
out there with the White House building,

2370
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,560
the original cafe landscaping, a lot of

2371
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,400
those things have been done, but we're

2372
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,199
trying to reallocate efforts um to be

2373
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,679
directed at the beginning stages of the

2374
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:12,800
site plan and going through that

2375
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,040
process. And so what Chrissy's drafted

2376
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,280
is a really good walkthrough of all the

2377
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,120
obligations that she has written in

2378
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,719
plain English so that everybody knows

2379
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:22,719
what's expected of her and what the

2380
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:24,960
county expects from us. We will work

2381
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,679
with her as best we can to achieve all

2382
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:32,239
the milestones. Um she has access to uh

2383
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,320
John and Andrew's team and the building

2384
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,000
department. Everybody has done a

2385
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,760
wonderful job of being willing to sit

2386
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,920
down. We've had commissioner sit down in

2387
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,880
my office sit down. So this is the best

2388
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,840
we could possibly do to provide her all

2389
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,760
of the support necessary to be able to

2390
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,360
go forward on the project.

2391
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,639
>> So Stephen, so for example, a is that

2392
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,719
the site plan should be submitted by

2393
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:57,360
July 15th. And if that does not happen,

2394
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,760
then that's an immediate fallback and it

2395
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,000
won't come before us. That'll just

2396
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,600
>> we don't we don't have the ability to

2397
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,159
sue without permission. It'll be a

2398
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:06,960
conversation.

2399
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,880
>> Okay. But that's basically that's our

2400
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:09,280
first

2401
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,320
>> that's yeah that's what we're going to

2402
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,679
do because what we've

2403
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:15,840
you know I can't say what has been said

2404
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,520
in the past but it has been our

2405
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,199
intention from the attorney's office to

2406
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:22,639
bring forward cases and claims whenever

2407
01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:24,719
we feel they're appropriate but to make

2408
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:27,119
the decision to to sue or to take action

2409
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:28,880
has to be done with the permission and

2410
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,440
approval from the commission. So, we

2411
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,520
think that we've done through this year

2412
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,440
uh the best efforts and intents of the

2413
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:36,800
commission to make sure that this

2414
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,639
individual complies with the start grant

2415
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:40,480
and the original intent. That's why we

2416
01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:42,800
met with them in January. We're just

2417
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,000
really hoping that the commission

2418
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,719
understands I will bring this back to

2419
01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:50,239
you all and say this person has or has

2420
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:52,560
not completed the obligations and this

2421
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,760
is again we're making it very clear to

2422
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,239
both us and the applicant what the

2423
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:00,480
expectations are.

2424
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:01,920
Brian,

2425
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,400
>> um I got two questions. So, the first

2426
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,440
one is the um application. Is that where

2427
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:12,320
the uh uh uh intent to open was listed

2428
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,320
or was it in the actual contract or was

2429
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,119
it in both?

2430
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:17,199
>> It was in it was in both. The original

2431
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,199
contract referenced the application.

2432
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:20,639
>> So, it did it did include that and make

2433
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:21,440
that as part of the

2434
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:23,440
>> Yes. And they're both attached. The

2435
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,440
original contract's attached and so is

2436
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,480
the her um application are both

2437
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,239
attached. must dismiss and I didn't see

2438
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:31,840
where that was where the application was

2439
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,280
included as part of the contract

2440
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:34,960
>> application is included as part of I

2441
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,800
think it's called attachment B is the

2442
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,719
application and it's incorporated I

2443
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:41,920
believe in like the section I might have

2444
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,360
missed it I just wanted just to clarify

2445
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:47,040
the chat was that and then second

2446
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,159
um would it be possible under three on

2447
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:52,159
default to take the unless the county

2448
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:54,560
commission approves a written extension

2449
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,480
basically just signifying that there

2450
01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:57,920
that we're not that we're not going to

2451
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,360
issue an extension

2452
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,920
If the timelines are not met,

2453
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:06,560
>> I think there the only way I mean we can remove that. We're just trying to

2454
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,400
make it

2455
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:09,360
I I think there are certain

2456
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,320
circumstances like say for example she

2457
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,400
provides the site plan to us. Let's say

2458
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,400
she gets to the 14th and she goes

2459
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:17,520
through and meets a lot of the

2460
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,480
obligations. But let's say for example

2461
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,159
she doesn't get the business license but

2462
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:23,520
thinks she can get it instead of

2463
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,080
December 1st on December 6th. Do you

2464
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,480
guys do you guys want us to come back

2465
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,080
and say, "Hey, you know, hey, you missed

2466
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,480
December 1st, cancel the whole thing,

2467
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:34,480
clown back the money." I think there are

2468
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,159
certain circumstances in which we we

2469
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:37,920
could have a conversation about the

2470
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,239
extension. We're asking to leave that a

2471
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:42,639
little bit flexible. We don't want to

2472
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:44,400
have to come back to the commission for

2473
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,239
every little thing. That's the

2474
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:47,440
information to give a little bit more

2475
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:49,360
time. I would point out that um in

2476
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,320
section six it does reference in here

2477
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,239
that this amendment constitutes the

2478
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,080
final extension of the agreement.

2479
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:56,480
>> Yeah.

2480
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,520
>> Um that language was purposeful to I

2481
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,199
think alleviate what you're actually

2482
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:04,390
asking.

2483
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,159
» Has a motion been put forth in that I I

2484
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:09,520
move to approve the first amendment to

2485
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,840
the sustainable and resilient star

2486
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,840
business grant contract between Grant

2487
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,280
County and ABC Thompson LLC.

2488
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:17,920
Second.

2489
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,920
>> Okay.

2490
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,199
Any other com discussion? Go ahead,

2491
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:23,600
Jacques.

2492
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,119
>> No, thank you guys for working on this.

2493
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:26,960
I think this is super fair, more than

2494
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,760
fair, and um I very much look forward to

2495
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,360
a resolution one way or the other on

2496
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,560
this. So, appreciate it.

2497
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,159
>> Okay, we'll go ahead and call for a

2498
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:38,639
vote. Those in favor

2499
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:42,480
and that passes 60 with one absentee

2500
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:45,910
she

2501
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,119
» All right.

2502
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:48,159
time that run.

2503
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,480
>> Um, number eight is amending the CIB

2504
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,560
list to add a planning grant for the MAR

2505
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,800
information center which is the M they

2506
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,239
call it for remodel and or rebuild.

2507
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:01,119
I'm going to turn this over to Mark to

2508
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,310
talk about

2509
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,880
» we had talked about the possibility of

2510
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,960
applying for a CB grant for a

2511
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:13,520
feasibility study u at the M if we

2512
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,719
wanted to do a total revamp of that of

2513
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:19,760
that facility. Um

2514
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,239
my recommendation is if we are only

2515
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,679
looking at restrooms to possibly forego

2516
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:28,560
this until we get to a point that we

2517
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,320
need to do a total rehab of that

2518
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,910
building.

2519
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,080
» So this this item is just to just to put

2520
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,679
it in front of the CIB, right?

2521
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:41,119
>> I'll I'll give you a little background

2522
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,840
on this. So obviously we we know that uh

2523
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,679
the McBths have been

2524
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:46,719
>> Yeah.

2525
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:49,040
important and it's been a long long run

2526
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,360
with it. Um

2527
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,360
there's there's been some discussion on

2528
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,360
possibly moving the mob office of

2529
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,000
tourism over to that building and

2530
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,840
expanding it and and making bigger. So

2531
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,400
when we're talking an agenda review, we

2532
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,400
thought, well, if we approve bathrooms

2533
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,480
and spend $200,000 on bathrooms and then

2534
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:08,560
we do a remodel, is that just a waste of

2535
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:10,960
money? And so maybe we could go ahead

2536
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:18,000
and get a CI grant to see what it would cost us to expand

2537
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,119
it and if the bathrooms would fit in

2538
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,600
that as like phase one and then phase

2539
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,760
two. But I think with some more

2540
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,360
conversation and looking at the lease,

2541
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,199
which we had the leases attached here,

2542
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:32,320
the MC lease and stuff that we probably

2543
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,239
and and and an agenda review, I really

2544
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:35,679
wanted to move forward with the

2545
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:39,040
bathrooms um because it's been a a theme

2546
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,040
time. It's been a long time coming. I

2547
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,560
think it reflects poorly on our

2548
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,880
community. Those bathrooms are well used

2549
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,440
and it's a big maintenance issue for

2550
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:49,760
Sean. He's always there. And so, I think

2551
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,280
it's kind of went back and forth and so

2552
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,840
we brought it forward to the commission

2553
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,119
to say, "Hey, do we want to do a CIB um

2554
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:00,080
grant to look at a remodel there or do

2555
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,520
we want to just do the bathrooms?" And I

2556
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,199
think that the vote could go either way

2557
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:04,880
with that. I think after some more

2558
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,480
discussion and thought, maybe we don't

2559
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,480
want to go on with the CIB and we just

2560
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:10,400
want to do the bathrooms. But welcome to

2561
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,159
any others discussion, but that's where

2562
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:13,679
that's all coming from.

2563
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:15,280
>> So, so basically a vote for the to

2564
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,000
putting it on the CIB is a vote in favor

2565
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,040
of looking at a bigger remodel, probably

2566
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,119
taking more time, more expense, but

2567
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:24,880
pushing it down the road, whereas a vote

2568
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:26,880
against it would be more for, hey, let's

2569
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,000
do some of the bathrooms right now

2570
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,600
because they're in dire condition.

2571
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,199
>> Yeah. And I would Yeah, I think we could

2572
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,440
even entertain a motion to do the

2573
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:34,320
bathrooms.

2574
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:34,719
>> Yeah,

2575
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,960
>> at this time that's what we want to do.

2576
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,880
So,

2577
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:39,920
um,

2578
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:41,520
>> we have a fiscal impact on the bathrooms

2579
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:42,400
right now

2580
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,360
>> or is that the 40,000?

2581
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,360
>> No, that's right.

2582
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:48,400
>> Yes,

2583
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,040
>> I can go ahead and speak a little. So,

2584
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,119
um, having talked to folks, the, uh, um,

2585
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,040
the bathrooms from the the state

2586
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,560
contractor, um, were quoted, I think, at

2587
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,480
$200,000 or just a little bit under

2588
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,480
that, $199,000.

2589
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:05,760
Um, and so for that quote right there,

2590
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,840
um, I believe that Shawn talked with

2591
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,840
the, uh, um, the contractor, the state

2592
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,159
contractor, and they would be willing in

2593
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:13,920
the contract, I think it said, you know,

2594
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,000
I think you had what, four months, I

2595
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,679
believe it was, to go ahead and act on

2596
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:18,960
it. but they said that they would still

2597
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,840
honor that that cost right there. Um,

2598
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,520
looking on where these funds could come

2599
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,119
out of, these funds I believe are

2600
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:27,280
eligible to come out of the rec film and

2601
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,520
convention funds um supporting the

2602
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,760
information center and so we could pull

2603
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,159
the funds from rec film and convention

2604
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:37,760
to go ahead and do those bathrooms.

2605
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,239
the um idea. I do think that it's

2606
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:43,119
something that that that would be a wise

2607
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:46,159
move in the future um to make that to to

2608
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,480
move the Moab Office of Tourism up on

2609
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:51,679
top of the um the Moab information

2610
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:53,199
center, but I just don't know if right

2611
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:54,960
now is exactly the time that we need to

2612
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:56,800
do it. I think right now I think there's

2613
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,880
a a desperate need for restrooms right

2614
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,600
there. And um and I do like the idea

2615
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,520
that we do still have some wreck film

2616
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,320
and convention money left over um from

2617
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,280
previous years. Um and so I think this

2618
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,600
would be a good use as the the main user

2619
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,159
of those restrooms are tourist. Um we

2620
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:15,840
could have the tourist actually fund a

2621
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,199
service that they're using.

2622
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:23,119
>> I have a question for Stephen. Um

2623
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:25,280
I know I lean towards just fixing the

2624
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,600
bathrooms at this point. I like the idea

2625
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,080
of the remodels of putting it on the CIB

2626
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,719
list. I don't know why we couldn't do

2627
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:35,600
that then then do the planning even

2628
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,000
after the bathrooms are completed. But

2629
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,040
that's not my question. My question is

2630
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,840
it's not on the agenda to approve the

2631
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,440
money to fix uh bathrooms. It's on the

2632
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:51,040
agenda to put it on the CIB list. So

2633
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:55,520
moving forward, Stephen, can we we am I

2634
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,320
right? And we can't really make a motion

2635
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:02,719
to to spend that money on the bathrooms

2636
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:03,600
tonight.

2637
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,000
>> No, I mean

2638
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,880
give our we can maybe do a straw poll

2639
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,960
say that is our intent so that we can

2640
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,280
start moving forward forward it

2641
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,280
>> but we'd have to approve it in the next

2642
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:16,560
meeting. Am I correct?

2643
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,440
>> Correct.

2644
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:20,480
>> Thank you. Can we put this on the CIB

2645
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,920
list for I'm sorry to let Mike go before

2646
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,320
myself. Go ahead.

2647
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,880
>> Can we I I still like the idea. I think

2648
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,800
it's a great idea to move the office of

2649
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,199
tourism over there and then where that

2650
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:37,280
would free up that lot and we could, you

2651
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,840
know, I think it's a great idea, but I

2652
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,320
don't know if that fixing the bathroom

2653
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,920
excludes the remodel or going out for

2654
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,960
the bid for uh the grant for the

2655
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,440
planning grant. I I think couldn't we

2656
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:53,440
put that on the CIB list, but that

2657
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,760
wouldn't mean that cancellation of the

2658
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:57,600
bathrooms. Well, I kind of feel like we

2659
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,840
would want to wait to do the CIV list

2660
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,480
till let's or do that after we did the

2661
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:03,920
bathrooms because then the person's

2662
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,400
going to come and do we're going to do a

2663
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,199
>> master plan or you know planning grant

2664
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:11,199
and that way we'll just hold off and

2665
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:13,760
maybe think about this for our next CIB

2666
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:14,239
list.

2667
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,000
>> General, can I Yeah, go ahead.

2668
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,440
>> There's there's a difference between the

2669
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:19,840
planning grant and the CIB list. The CIB

2670
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,199
list would be for the big budget and and

2671
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:22,159
Commissioner Winfield, feel free to

2672
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:23,199
speak to this. you're more familiar with

2673
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:26,000
it than I am, but the planning grant is

2674
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,159
generally offcycle and can be awarded at

2675
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:29,280
any time as long as it's less than

2676
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,600
$50,000. And that would deliver just

2677
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,440
simply a plan for the bathrooms. It

2678
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:35,440
would deliver nothing else. And so that

2679
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:37,360
is one thing. And then actually getting

2680
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,199
a building if that was the case is a

2681
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,119
different that's the CIB list. So

2682
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:42,080
there's a difference between the

2683
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,560
planning grant and the actual CIB list.

2684
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:45,760
Just keep that in mind as well.

2685
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:46,880
>> But I don't think we're planning a

2686
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,560
planning grant for just bathrooms. No, I

2687
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:49,679
don't think we need a planning grant for

2688
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:51,440
bathrooms,

2689
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,320
but we could, if you guys want, attempt

2690
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,719
to put it on a planning grant and then

2691
01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:58,880
have a three or four year timeline to

2692
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,639
actually remodel the building. And I I

2693
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:01,040
don't know.

2694
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,320
>> That's what I was thinking of because

2695
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,840
the CIB list doesn't obligate us to do

2696
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,480
it right the next time the CIB comes up,

2697
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:11,840
right? It's when we want to pull pull

2698
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,000
all the information together and create

2699
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:14,639
the app.

2700
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:16,560
>> Sure. Sure. I think the intent, and

2701
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:17,440
correct me if I'm wrong, Chairman

2702
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:18,880
Campless, but I think the intent was to

2703
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,719
for the put it on the CIB list for a

2704
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:22,080
planning grant when we were in agenda

2705
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:23,360
review. Is that correct?

2706
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,040
>> Planning grant for the Moab information

2707
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,040
center like a long-term plan,

2708
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:28,800
>> which is different than the actual CI

2709
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,080
list.

2710
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:33,760
>> So, do we need to

2711
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,840
ask

2712
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,199
>> Hey, go ahead, Mike.

2713
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:42,000
>> Um, this is for Dave here. uh in in

2714
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,679
where it was uh looking to be pulled

2715
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:45,760
from out of uh red film and convention

2716
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,199
previously restricted funds. Uh do we

2717
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:51,840
have that balance that would encompass

2718
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,679
the $200,000

2719
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:55,280
uh on a later discussion about the

2720
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:59,520
bathrooms let alone the 40,000 now?

2721
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,360
Like do we have that balance in there on

2722
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:01,679
that?

2723
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:03,040
>> It was $200,000.

2724
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,920
>> So the recreation TRT recreation film

2725
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:06,639
and convention.

2726
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:08,000
>> Yeah, like the previously regulated

2727
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,719
funds. uh my the I did an analysis on

2728
01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:15,119
February 25th um and 2.08 million um is

2729
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:18,159
my current estimate as to the reserves

2730
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:20,400
um that could be used for that purpose

2731
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:21,840
based on when they were collected and

2732
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:22,800
what's been spent.

2733
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,679
>> Okay, thank you.

2734
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:29,760
>> So we can either just we can approve

2735
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,280
this or we can deny it or we can

2736
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,000
postpone it and then we can go forward

2737
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,480
and the next meeting we can have the

2738
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:40,480
bathroom votes.

2739
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:42,639
Brian has his hand up. Can

2740
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:45,920
>> I make a suggestion that Yeah. Uh um

2741
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,040
that we table the fe feasibility plan

2742
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:49,440
and

2743
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:50,960
>> postpone it unless you want to do it

2744
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,159
today.

2745
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:55,040
>> Uh postpone it. That's fine. can

2746
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,520
postpone it and then um and then we can

2747
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,920
move to um just give a thumbs up to

2748
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:01,840
create an RFP because this will have to

2749
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:03,920
go up for RFP I believe because it's

2750
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,000
over our $50,000

2751
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,400
um state contract

2752
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,000
>> that that's different. So the state

2753
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:14,390
contractor can just be awarded

2754
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:15,760
» have to have a vote yeah next meeting

2755
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:16,880
for that. Yeah, but you guys would have

2756
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,080
to prove these.

2757
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,430
>> I was just making

2758
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:27,840
» I I have a question for um Stephen and

2759
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,320
maybe collectively do you guys feel that

2760
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,159
it's an appropriate spend out of rec

2761
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:36,709
film and convention?

2762
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:38,800
» Uh does this expense serve to solicit

2763
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,639
advertise or market or enhance transient

2764
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:44,310
guest spending?

2765
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,320
I'm more than happy to create a memo.

2766
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,800
>> That'd be great. That'd be wonderful. I

2767
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,560
just want to make sure that we're

2768
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:52,800
nowhere near the line as we've discussed

2769
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,719
in the past. That'd be great.

2770
01:50:56,719 --> 01:50:59,280
>> I make a motion that we postpone item

2771
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,400
eight, amending the CIV list to add a

2772
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:04,800
planning grant for the Moab information

2773
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,600
center.

2774
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,239
>> Second.

2775
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:11,920
>> I didn't hear you, Mary. I totally was

2776
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,679
looking at you and my brain was like,

2777
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:16,800
"Can you somewhere else?"

2778
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,960
>> I was somewhere

2779
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:23,199
taking [laughter] a walk. Um I I me I my

2780
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,639
motion was postponed.

2781
01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:25,199
>> Okay.

2782
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:28,000
>> So I did ask a question. Did anyone plan

2783
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,280
on answering it or

2784
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,239
>> what did you

2785
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:34,239
>> Is this expense we thinking that it

2786
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,080
serves to solicit advertise or market or

2787
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,280
enhance transient guest spending?

2788
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,599
>> Stephen was correct.

2789
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:44,560
So that was Yes. Yes.

2790
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:45,760
>> Because we have an understanding that

2791
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,599
those funds have to be used in that way.

2792
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:51,199
Are we acting like we don't know that?

2793
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:55,750
>> I thought we could use it.

2794
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,040
» Well, the state auditor Tina Cannon was

2795
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,360
quoted saying exactly that that these

2796
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,520
funds have to be used to solicit

2797
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,520
advertise or market or enhance transit

2798
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,239
against spending. So it seems like we've

2799
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:09,920
forgotten that directive that came

2800
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:11,760
directly from the state of Albert

2801
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,760
>> and those are the film Americans

2802
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,360
>> film and convention. Yes. The reason we

2803
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:19,840
gave back $600,000 last year.

2804
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:21,760
>> So I guess we don't care about now what

2805
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,599
the R thinks about how to use those

2806
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,320
funds or we we forgot about it. That's

2807
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:26,960
interesting.

2808
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,159
>> I would request the defensible position

2809
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:31,520
or not.

2810
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,520
>> And I'm I'm happy to draft up a memorial

2811
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,400
position that's coming. Yeah,

2812
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,560
>> right.

2813
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,199
>> I would think that an information center

2814
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:42,960
would answer your questions right there

2815
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,560
of to solicit market or enhanced transit

2816
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,560
bathroom for an information center.

2817
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:49,920
>> Well, it's for the information center.

2818
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,920
>> The information center and I believe I'

2819
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,360
I'd have to go ahead and pull it back up

2820
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:53,920
again.

2821
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,040
>> Okay, [clears throat] great. I'd look

2822
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:58,320
forward to that uh that you know

2823
01:52:58,320 --> 01:52:59,040
justification.

2824
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:00,960
>> I have no problem sitting down with it.

2825
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:02,159
>> Do you have the code in front of you

2826
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:03,840
right now? The emphasis and intent of

2827
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,000
the code is to bring people from outside

2828
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,679
the county into the county for tourism,

2829
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:11,040
recreation, film, and conventions. Um,

2830
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,280
and so I think we came to a pretty clear

2831
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,040
understanding that we have to attach

2832
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,360
these any of these expenses has to be

2833
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,520
attached to a marketing campaign to

2834
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,599
directly bring people from outside the

2835
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:24,000
county into the county to spend funds.

2836
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,639
It's pretty unequivocal. Like I I don't

2837
01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:28,239
know why we're under like why we're

2838
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:29,760
acting like we have like a new

2839
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,639
understanding now. Oh, okay. Well, I I'm

2840
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:34,960
offended by this because it's been my

2841
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,800
like my job has been on the line due to

2842
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:41,109
this stuff.

2843
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:42,400
» Doc and Bill.

2844
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,639
>> Yeah, I mean there there's nothing I'd

2845
01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:45,840
like more than to spend those those

2846
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,599
funds on this. I think I think it'd be

2847
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:49,360
great. But as as it's been frequently

2848
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,719
pointed out, I was personally scolded by

2849
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:56,159
the state auditor along these exact same

2850
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:59,040
lines. And at the time it was discussed

2851
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,760
that we in this body I think that we we

2852
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,239
don't want to walk up to that line. I

2853
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:05,920
again there's nothing I'd rather spend

2854
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:07,199
the money on. I think those bathrooms

2855
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:09,520
are in dire need and we have million

2856
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,440
bucks of reconvention sitting there. So

2857
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:14,880
>> it's it's a tough one and I'd appreciate

2858
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,159
the memo from our county attorney.

2859
01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:17,679
>> Yeah.

2860
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:19,679
>> And I guess I could call point of order

2861
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:21,119
and then all of our conversation can end

2862
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:22,639
because we're not doing the bathrooms on

2863
01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:24,080
this vote. We're not doing the bathrooms

2864
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,840
today. So I think that this information

2865
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:27,599
can come forward

2866
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:29,360
>> on our next conversation about the

2867
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:31,280
bathrooms.

2868
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,520
>> Sorry Sharon [laughter]

2869
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,440
>> and thanks Mel for approaching this

2870
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,119
because I know it's it's been brought up

2871
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,560
multiple times and I appreciate you

2872
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,080
taking the whole by the horns on this

2873
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:40,400
one.

2874
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,159
>> It's affecting our maintenance.

2875
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:43,840
>> Yeah, it's I think there's a lot of

2876
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,280
things that are being affected by it and

2877
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:46,719
we'd like to get it resolved but we need

2878
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:48,000
to make sure that we do it the correct

2879
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:51,520
way. So we are going to take a vote on

2880
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,520
the postpone. Do we have a second on

2881
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:54,800
that? I'll second that.

2882
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,159
>> You don't necessarily have to

2883
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:56,960
>> post one second.

2884
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,080
>> Yeah, we have to postpone it. We can

2885
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,360
just be done with it.

2886
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,800
>> Move along to number nine and that is

2887
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,639
the proposed letter of support policy.

2888
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:09,440
Oh, this is when discussion mode. I

2889
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,199
think that's all. We're all done with

2890
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:14,080
our

2891
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,480
action items and we're going to do move

2892
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,000
on to discussion items which is a

2893
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:19,920
proposed letter of sec policy

2894
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:22,639
discussion. So com admin has been

2895
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:26,400
working on this proposed

2896
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:30,080
policy and it's attached here so we can

2897
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:31,760
just have a discussion on it if anybody

2898
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:36,159
has any comments or questions or

2899
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:37,280
go ahead John.

2900
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:38,800
>> Thanks Melody and thanks for putting

2901
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:43,920
this on. It's it's um um I definitely

2902
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:45,360
appreciate the spirit in which it's

2903
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:49,280
presented and and I get it at the same

2904
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,679
time. I think having been on this uh

2905
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,840
commission for five and a half years and

2906
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,239
seen a few letters

2907
01:55:56,239 --> 01:56:00,880
on in front of us, it's I would guess we

2908
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,360
get between five and 10 requests for a

2909
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,560
letter support a year. And my overall

2910
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,920
feeling about it is that it's it's not

2911
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:13,840
an arduous process and it's not broken

2912
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,880
process. Um, I will say that my my

2913
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,840
thinking about this was uh was

2914
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,920
influenced because literally as I was

2915
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,719
reading through this item, a letter came

2916
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,960
through from the museum director asking

2917
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:31,520
for a letter of support for a um or a

2918
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:35,040
cooperative advertising grant. Um, and

2919
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:38,000
that GR he he asked me as the museum

2920
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,679
liaison to what what my opinion was on

2921
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:43,520
that and and if I could help him with

2922
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,320
that letter of support. Now the the crux

2923
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:48,560
of it is that the letter support needs

2924
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:51,760
to be done by um June 10th would require

2925
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:52,800
obviously there wasn't enough time to

2926
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,000
get it on those commission meetings. So

2927
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,280
it require a you know a the signature

2928
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,040
from the chair and a ratification later

2929
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,440
which and obviously having been chair

2930
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,119
for a while that is absolutely the

2931
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:05,119
discretion of the chair whether that's

2932
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:07,520
something that um the chair considers to

2933
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,639
be a uh controversial subject or not.

2934
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:13,040
But I bring that up because a lot I

2935
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,840
think that's more often the case than

2936
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,040
not is that these letters of support um

2937
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,199
you know most of the the bodies that ask

2938
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:23,360
for these maybe only meet once a month.

2939
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:24,560
I think a lot of these come out of our

2940
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,800
committee assignments etc. They come out

2941
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,320
of things like motorized trail committee

2942
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:31,679
or trail mix or the museum and and

2943
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:34,400
they're timely and there's frequently

2944
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:35,840
not you know it's like hey we need

2945
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,800
something in the next five or six days

2946
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:44,800
if possible. Um, so that I'm just uh

2947
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:49,599
wondering about a provision for that or going forward where it might kill it

2948
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,040
if we have to go through the the whole

2949
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,119
formal process is outlined here. And and

2950
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:54,320
again, I'm just opening that up for

2951
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:55,840
discussion as something that that

2952
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,360
occurred to me while I was reading that

2953
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,320
because it was it was very odd that not

2954
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,159
as I was reading this agenda item, a

2955
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:02,880
letter of support.

2956
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,599
>> Yeah. Well, it it gives 15 days, which I

2957
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:07,360
think that that would allow it to go on

2958
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:08,639
to the commission because that is the

2959
01:58:08,639 --> 01:58:11,280
issue, Jac 100%. And all the ones I

2960
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:14,400
signed this year were not signed because

2961
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,159
I didn't know if they'd be controversial

2962
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:17,920
and I had to send them back and say,

2963
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,000
"I'm sorry, I'm not these." Because

2964
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:21,679
they're coming at it last minute. And I

2965
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:22,880
would think that if you're complying for

2966
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,880
a grant in general, you would know 15

2967
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,040
days prior to the grant application

2968
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,880
being due that you were going to need a

2969
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:32,320
letter of support. So, I think it's just

2970
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,960
pushing that back on those um entities

2971
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,400
that are wanting letter support from the

2972
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,320
county to be a little bit more prepared

2973
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,159
to know what they want and to come and

2974
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:42,159
ask for it. That gives us that gives the

2975
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,719
com the county more time to be prepared

2976
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:47,040
as well to make sure okay, is this

2977
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:48,800
conflicting with any grant that we're

2978
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,440
looking at as a county? Um it allows us

2979
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,199
to bring it forth to the whole

2980
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:54,880
commission and have a conversation about

2981
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:57,440
it if if it is something. So, it really

2982
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,080
protects the entity that's asking for it

2983
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:01,840
and the county. I think it's a it's a

2984
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,000
win-win for both. I know it

2985
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,239
>> requires them to be a little bit more um

2986
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:08,239
prepared because I got that same request

2987
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:10,800
today. I saw it and it's you know the

2988
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,560
10th it's due. So that's eight days from

2989
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,280
now. Um and that's including weekend. So

2990
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:16,560
that doesn't really give us a lot of

2991
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:18,960
time and the same as quite a few of them

2992
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:20,560
that we've had this year have all been

2993
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,960
like I need this in two days and that

2994
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:26,080
just isn't enough time. I mean, even as

2995
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:27,520
a chair, I mean, I'm not always

2996
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,679
available in two days to to read it to check with the all the other entities

2997
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:33,520
that may be going forward or or check

2998
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,080
with our department. So, I see value in

2999
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,560
this. I think 15 days is is really

3000
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:43,199
reasonable. Um, but I discussion. Th

3001
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,800
those are awesome points, Melody, and I definitely agree, but I do there

3002
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:49,360
are t like would it be disqualifying if

3003
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,440
say something like this came up? Like,

3004
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:53,760
you know, I mean, grants, a lot of these

3005
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:55,440
entities, especially nonprofits and

3006
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:56,880
such, are pretty they're they're they're

3007
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:58,400
extremely busy and a grant might just

3008
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,320
come to light, you know, maybe a week

3009
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,400
ahead of time and they're they're

3010
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,040
struggling to to procure this money.

3011
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,280
Would it understand would there be a

3012
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,440
provision whereby

3013
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:12,880
it could still happen if if the 15 days

3014
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:16,639
wasn't um you know was wasn't possible

3015
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:18,960
for that entity

3016
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,040
>> I don't know

3017
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:23,119
about it you have a comment

3018
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:25,199
>> well I I see where Jacques is coming

3019
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:28,239
from if we have those but is there a

3020
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:31,199
mechanism already that we can just pass

3021
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:34,159
I mean I didn't read the museum one I

3022
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:38,800
haven't yet but certainly it's not that

3023
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,199
we do it on a regular basis is contact

3024
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:43,599
each other for hey are you supportive of

3025
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:46,480
this is it and for me I'd have to say I

3026
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,560
didn't even read it yet to go look at it

3027
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:49,280
>> I understand that

3028
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,199
>> but I think we have that option already

3029
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,440
amongst ourselves I don't know about

3030
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,239
this specific one but we have on other

3031
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:59,360
ones and then ask the chair to sign them

3032
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:02,320
and we ratify them later but I think

3033
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,040
that we're not out line asking other

3034
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:08,000
commissioners what their thought.

3035
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:11,520
So I I see an avenue already exists to

3036
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,840
get around this when we do have I don't

3037
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,480
want to say an emergency but uh we need

3038
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:19,040
this right now add something in there to

3039
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,119
the prerogative of the chair. I mean,

3040
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:23,119
you know, we could add that language

3041
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:25,119
like this is our expectation

3042
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:28,239
>> for the people that are asking for a

3043
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:29,840
letter of support from the county, but

3044
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:32,800
there could be a exception which would

3045
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,560
be the progative of the of the chair.

3046
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,400
And then at that point, for example,

3047
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,239
we're just using sorry museum. We're

3048
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:40,239
just as an example

3049
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:42,960
>> example because you just came in. But um

3050
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:44,719
you know, if it was close to that

3051
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:46,159
deadline and you called me because

3052
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:47,760
you're the liazison for that or called

3053
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:49,599
the chair. Doesn't have to be a paper.

3054
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:51,679
Um and and then I and then we did that

3055
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:53,040
straw pull of like, oh yeah, we're going

3056
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:54,800
to go ahead and and do this. So maybe we

3057
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:56,800
could add that caveat in there, but we

3058
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:58,400
do want to we don't we want to

3059
02:01:58,400 --> 02:01:59,520
streamline these. We want to have a

3060
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:02,719
little bit more um information there.

3061
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:04,400
That could be Go ahead, Brian.

3062
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,000
>> Yeah, sorry. I wasn't I wasn't fully

3063
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:07,599
engaged right there. I was looking up

3064
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:10,560
the uh previous the previous thing

3065
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:12,400
because I do have information to bring

3066
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,239
back and I'll bring that up maybe after

3067
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:17,040
this agenda item right here just to

3068
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:18,880
commission's knowledge. But yeah, I was

3069
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:20,239
the one who brought this forward. Um

3070
02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:21,520
we're seeing a couple of different

3071
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,159
things. So, first off, we're getting uh

3072
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:26,639
um the Department of Outdoor Recreation

3073
02:02:26,639 --> 02:02:29,760
has added the Office of Tourism as a

3074
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,960
signer for letters. now. Um, and the

3075
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,639
reason that they did that was for

3076
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:37,520
certain certain uh grants, but then they

3077
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:39,599
also say you can have basically the land

3078
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:42,400
management agency, the office of tourism

3079
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,480
or the commission. So, when folks see

3080
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:45,679
that they have to bring something

3081
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:47,119
forward, they're like, who is the

3082
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:49,360
easiest person for me to get this letter

3083
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:50,639
of support and they're going to the

3084
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,639
office of tourism? And that's not fair

3085
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:54,639
on our staff, right? Our staff shouldn't

3086
02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:56,800
be placed in that position to where they

3087
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,320
have to make a decision on if they

3088
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,400
support something or if they do not. So

3089
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:04,480
this this was part of the reason that I brought this forward and asked uh

3090
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:07,360
commission uh administrator Tiner to

3091
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,679
help us out to get a policy in place.

3092
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:11,840
The second is is it has become not the

3093
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,000
exception but it has become the standard

3094
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,000
from my perception that letters of

3095
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:17,280
support have been brought to the

3096
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:20,159
commission and they are they're they're

3097
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:22,080
people's emergencies, right? Oh, I I

3098
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:23,520
just noticed I need to have this signed

3099
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,280
to get onto this grant right here. And

3100
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:26,880
this grant is so important. And I

3101
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:32,560
understand if it's the exception, but it it's not become the exception. It's it's it happens almost happen

3102
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,239
stance every day. Um now for I think you

3103
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:37,760
know when I when I was looking at that,

3104
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,440
I'd like to make you know maybe a small

3105
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:41,360
change on that is to make sure that it's

3106
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,599
for you know for our staff of course we

3107
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:44,880
want to make sure that we give them all

3108
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,440
the leniency as possible. But for people

3109
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,560
who are outside of Grand County, I do

3110
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:52,480
think that there should be a solid rule

3111
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,480
that they come to the county and that

3112
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,159
gives us time to make sure that it fits

3113
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:58,000
in with our future plans of how we want

3114
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,840
to see the county, right? Because it's

3115
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,159
it it's also unfair to us when someone

3116
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:03,920
brings us a letter and we don't have

3117
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,159
time to really see how that fits in the

3118
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:07,760
whole thing. You know, we have all kinds

3119
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,199
of these structures. We have an outdoor

3120
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:11,199
rec subcommittee that's set up, right?

3121
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:13,280
We have an office of tourism. You know,

3122
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,119
we have all these boards and committees.

3123
02:04:15,119 --> 02:04:19,440
And I think it's it's just fair that we we honor that process as well by

3124
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:20,960
bringing these letters and saying, "Hey,

3125
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,400
does this fit in with this board's

3126
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,639
purpose? Does this fit in over here?"

3127
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:27,360
So, and and and it stinks because, you

3128
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,800
know, a lot of these things we're all

3129
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,560
like, "Yeah, I definitely support that,

3130
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:32,080
right?" Like, I totally support the

3131
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:33,840
museum going and getting this grant,

3132
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:35,599
right? But it would be nice if we were

3133
02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:37,679
able to bring that to the MTA board and

3134
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:39,760
say, "Hey, MTA, like you guys are, you

3135
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:41,280
know, the, you know, the folks that

3136
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:42,880
we've chosen to help us with our

3137
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:44,800
marketing, right? like can what what is

3138
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:50,719
your opinion on that? Um, so that's kind of where this came from. And once again, it's I I want to make

3139
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,080
sure that we have room for the

3140
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,920
exception, right? But I don't want the

3141
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:55,520
exception to be the rule, which has been

3142
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,119
my experience here so far on the

3143
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:59,199
commission.

3144
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:01,360
>> Trish, Brian, that helps a lot to

3145
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:03,040
understand kind of what your thought

3146
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,119
processes or the background and having

3147
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:07,440
that thought process process in order. I

3148
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,400
appreciate it. Um, I'm I'm supportive of

3149
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,239
that. I do think we need to have a

3150
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:13,920
little bit of flex in there and I know I

3151
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,679
agree. you put a little bit of flex and

3152
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:16,800
then you're worried that everybody's

3153
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:20,400
going to take it and run with it. But I think putting in there, Mel, something

3154
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:23,520
like that's prerogative of the chair.

3155
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:25,440
Any something that just gives a little

3156
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:27,599
bit of leniency will help for those that

3157
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:30,400
are up against deadlines that Yeah.

3158
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,400
maybe they didn't realize they were

3159
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:33,840
pushed up against.

3160
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,119
>> Okay.

3161
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:37,040
>> And I'm good with that, too. I wonder

3162
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,280
also as far as um disseminating this

3163
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:41,440
information like like getting it out to

3164
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,119
folks. We get we get letters of support

3165
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,040
out of out of left field sometimes and

3166
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:46,880
all kinds of organizations. So just

3167
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:48,560
making it making it easy for people to

3168
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:50,880
un you know find where our policy on

3169
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,239
this is like maybe sending a letter out

3170
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:54,000
to all the nonprofits in town or I don't

3171
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:54,639
know that

3172
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:56,080
>> I think that we need to definitely send

3173
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:57,599
this once we decide that [clears throat]

3174
02:05:57,599 --> 02:05:58,880
this is what we're going to do. We need

3175
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,639
to send it out to spe you know if we can

3176
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:02,560
look at who we sent letters of support

3177
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,119
to recently and just all the nonprofits

3178
02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:06,960
so that they have that this at the

3179
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:08,960
forefront of you know expectation when

3180
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:11,520
they start reading their grant.

3181
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:13,599
>> Go ahead. Uh, Commissioners Martinez and

3182
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:15,679
Haden, you'll help me recall the

3183
02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:17,679
institute that came [snorts] down. What

3184
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:19,840
was the name of that agency? Nonprofit

3185
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,679
alliance

3186
02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:23,520
likely you could provide whatever letter

3187
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:24,880
to

3188
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:26,880
>> write the letter to them and they'll all

3189
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:28,800
the different nonprofits they had like

3190
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,719
75 I can't remember

3191
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:32,719
>> the 75% of the nonprofits in this

3192
02:06:32,719 --> 02:06:34,480
community already a part of that agency.

3193
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,239
>> Yeah, that's perfect. And then just

3194
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,760
maybe in that letter that we kind of put

3195
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,920
out, just let folks know that most of

3196
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:40,960
the time when they're going to be

3197
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:42,320
applying for grants that they're going

3198
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,920
to need letters of support. So to make

3199
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:45,679
sure that if they're thinking that, hey,

3200
02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:46,880
we're going to need money for something

3201
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,800
that they keep that in the forefront of

3202
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:50,159
we probably should go ahead and get our

3203
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:52,000
letter of support into the county so

3204
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,079
that we can get that process started.

3205
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:56,239
>> Yeah. That and that local agency or that

3206
02:06:56,239 --> 02:06:58,239
state agency could probably be very very

3207
02:06:58,239 --> 02:06:59,920
helpful on communicating some of these

3208
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,520
issues to the nonprofits.

3209
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:02,079
>> Yeah.

3210
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:04,159
>> Can I just give an anecdote if you don't

3211
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:06,560
mind? So, I was doing that UR grant and

3212
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,840
I think there was 83 cells to fill out

3213
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,360
and the letters of support are some of

3214
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:12,880
the last ones. And yes, it would have

3215
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,159
made sense for me to look through the

3216
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:15,840
whole thing and go, okay, start this

3217
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:17,760
before this, but I'm very one of these

3218
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:19,679
like start with number one, right? And

3219
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:22,560
so by the time I get to 83 or whatever,

3220
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:25,199
let's say 80. And now, you know, my time

3221
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:27,280
frame because I think it was January to

3222
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,079
March is that time frame. And it is

3223
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,400
amazing how fast that time goes, right?

3224
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:33,679
like when you're just kind of plugging

3225
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:35,760
away doing your other, you know, you're

3226
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:37,280
the same way, three jobs or whatever

3227
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:40,079
you're doing. Um, so I I I have some

3228
02:07:40,079 --> 02:07:42,239
empathy and understanding for for where

3229
02:07:42,239 --> 02:07:44,639
people are coming from. But yeah,

3230
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:46,560
>> no, but [clears throat] it's smart to

3231
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,400
>> look at it holistically and go, okay,

3232
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:50,719
start that before that.

3233
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:52,320
>> So I assume we'd polish this up a little

3234
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:56,320
bit and then I would come back for the

3235
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,239
>> review as well. So, if you guys have any

3236
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:01,520
comments that you want to email um to

3237
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:03,440
Mark because he's been working on this.

3238
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:06,159
So, maybe to Mark and then we can get it

3239
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:07,840
polished up and bring it back before us

3240
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:10,480
for a vote to to do that. Okay. Is was

3241
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:12,560
there another comment here?

3242
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,079
>> I'll speak with Mark about it. It's open

3243
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:14,480
to

3244
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:16,079
>> Okay, Brian.

3245
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:17,679
>> Um can I add just a quick discussion

3246
02:08:17,679 --> 02:08:21,440
item or a clarification to a previous

3247
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,440
item that was on the agenda?

3248
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:24,159
>> Sure.

3249
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:27,280
>> Okay. So, um, so first off, I I I do not

3250
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:29,840
appreciate the clip auditor attacking.

3251
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:31,840
Um, and as as noted, he's not here

3252
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,000
anymore. Um, I did ask for an extra

3253
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,639
second to actually go through and review

3254
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:39,040
the uh uh the documents. So, I do have

3255
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:40,480
it right here. I took me a second to

3256
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:41,920
pull it up. So, establishing and

3257
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,320
promoting number two, recil convention

3258
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,199
end right here. So, number B right here

3259
02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:49,280
is convention meeting rooms, exhibit

3260
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:51,920
halls, visitor information centers. It's

3261
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,800
specifically listed in the legislation.

3262
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,239
And then to go through just to make sure

3263
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:58,719
that I was not was not falsely stated, I

3264
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,400
also have the email here to uh um county

3265
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:06,000
attorney stalks where I clarified that was his legal interpretation of it

3266
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,159
right here. Um so I just want to let

3267
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:09,920
folks know that I was not stepping out

3268
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,400
saying getting close to the line. Trish,

3269
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,000
I'm glad to hear that that that you also

3270
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:15,920
respect that that we need Yeah. Yeah.

3271
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:17,840
that we need to stay away from the line,

3272
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,599
but I did do the research on that when I

3273
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:21,040
made that statement. So I just wanted to

3274
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,400
clarify that. Thank you for the

3275
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:23,360
opportunity.

3276
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:24,960
>> Brian, is that from the is that from

3277
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:27,119
this version of TRT or the previous one?

3278
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:30,079
>> There is no reconvention in this TRT. So

3279
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:32,480
this is the previous and so I I've taken

3280
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:33,599
it right here and I got it all

3281
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:34,960
highlighted right here in this little

3282
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,199
document. Send it over to uh uh County

3283
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:39,840
attorneys and then his reply was is that

3284
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:41,280
his reading was the same as mine right

3285
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,880
here in this email. And I can forward

3286
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:44,480
that to the commission as well.

3287
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:45,679
>> Will you? Because I'm sure this

3288
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:46,880
conversation is going to come back up

3289
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:47,520
again.

3290
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:50,000
>> Absolutely. And as we move into our

3291
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:52,159
budget amendments coming into mid year,

3292
02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:53,840
which we're scheduled to do, I'm sure

3293
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:59,119
that between this and also the OTAA um

3294
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,360
it was the uh fire the fire hydrant

3295
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,679
system would also I think be included in

3296
02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:04,880
this. So these will be conversations

3297
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,320
that I'll want to make sure that we

3298
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,159
bring up that we bring up when we're

3299
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:09,920
doing our midyear amendments right then.

3300
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,040
So

3301
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:11,840
>> Mike,

3302
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:13,840
>> uh those conversations will come up in

3303
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,880
those midyear uh amendments. And just to

3304
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,400
clarify for the public what we're

3305
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:21,760
talking about uh as previously stated

3306
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:27,199
two 2.1 million give or take uh dollars

3307
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:32,000
of previously uh regulated underneath

3308
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,400
>> correct so previous uh it was previous

3309
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:38,239
TRT uh regulated funds that we have

3310
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,040
banked.

3311
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:41,360
>> Yeah. So in in fund 47 there is a

3312
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,440
reserve account and so we're talking

3313
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,520
about the composition of what's inside

3314
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,159
of that reserve account right there.

3315
02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:50,159
>> This is not current funds.

3316
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:52,400
>> Yeah. And then under current TRT law,

3317
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,000
right, you're only allowed to have one

3318
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:56,560
reserve account. So the accounting on it

3319
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:58,639
is I I would say it's got to be a

3320
02:10:58,639 --> 02:11:00,639
nightmare trying to keep up with all of

3321
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:03,440
the different um you know changes that

3322
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:05,040
have been made and how that account has

3323
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,199
actually been applied. So, you know, I

3324
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:08,480
do understand that that's a very

3325
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:10,639
difficult thing to to come up with the

3326
02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,000
composition of the account, but that's

3327
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,239
what we're talking about is there are

3328
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:15,840
some different there are some different

3329
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,119
funds that are identified in the fund 47

3330
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:20,960
reserve account that might have a couple

3331
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:24,709
of the

3332
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,719
» All right, we are going to move on to a

3333
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:29,840
workshop and it's going the policies and

3334
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,520
procedures of the governing body and I

3335
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:34,719
think we want to do six o'clock 65. Oh

3336
02:11:34,719 --> 02:11:36,560
yeah, six o'clock citizens to be here.

3337
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,079
Sorry about that. And I might even take

3338
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:40,239
five minute break because this could be

3339
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:42,400
a discussion,

3340
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,079
but we'll start with the citizens of

3341
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:46,079
her. Do we have anyone?

3342
02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:48,320
>> Do you want to talk? No, let's see.

3343
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:49,840
Anybody online?

3344
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,599
>> No, that's all for Andrew.

3345
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:53,801
>> Andrew. [clears throat]

3346
02:11:53,801 --> 02:11:55,830
[laughter]

3347
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:57,360
All right, we're gonna So six o'clock

3348
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:58,639
citizens be heard. We don't have

3349
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,000
anybody. We are going to take just a

3350
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,840
five minute break and then we're going

3351
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,760
to come back to our workshop. I could

3352
02:12:03,760 --> 02:17:15,830
wait

3353
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:18,559
Okay, we are revening after a five

3354
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:21,439
minute break for the workshop. It's

3355
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,679
number 10 on the agenda, the policies

3356
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:25,760
and procedures of the governing body. I

3357
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:27,200
think Quinn's going to bring those up on

3358
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:28,559
the screen so that we can

3359
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,080
>> Oh, that would make it so that would

3360
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:30,639
make

3361
02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:32,399
>> Yeah, we have them printed out, too.

3362
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:34,399
>> Excellent. But we also gonna have this

3363
02:17:34,399 --> 02:17:37,120
would be nice because this is

3364
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:37,599
>> sometimes

3365
02:17:37,599 --> 02:17:39,920
>> well I just appreciate the red lines and

3366
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:41,599
the comments that really helps a lot

3367
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:42,639
because I was like

3368
02:17:42,639 --> 02:17:44,080
>> did I make my comments and then they

3369
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:46,319
just got erased and I was like but no

3370
02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:48,080
this is I

3371
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:50,160
>> yeah it's a little tiny but okay it's

3372
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,479
perfect. So, we're just going to start

3373
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:55,599
on page one and go through some of

3374
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:58,319
these. We have a five.

3375
02:17:58,319 --> 02:17:59,439
>> Um, we're going to do we're going to

3376
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:02,240
talk about it for 30 minutes.

3377
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,240
>> Very good. If we

3378
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:04,719
>> Yeah.

3379
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:07,519
>> 45ish, we'll move into our close

3380
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:08,319
session. So,

3381
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:13,920
>> Okay. Okay. So, our first one is

3382
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:17,760
some changes on the um table of

3383
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:21,599
contents. I don't think there's any

3384
02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:24,399
issues there.

3385
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:27,519
And moving on to page

3386
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:29,200
six

3387
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,359
is

3388
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:35,280
still just table of context.

3389
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:41,750
Page seven is the start.

3390
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,200
» And how do you guys I mean do you want

3391
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:45,359
me to read these? There's no comments on

3392
02:18:45,359 --> 02:18:46,880
any of these. So

3393
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:49,040
>> to read I think it's Let's go page by

3394
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:50,479
page and maybe if anybody wants

3395
02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:51,840
>> Yeah. If there's anything Yeah. But

3396
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:53,200
there when there's no comments on the

3397
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:55,120
side, we won't I'll just if you guys

3398
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:58,479
want to interrupt me. So on page seven

3399
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:01,359
of the policies of proced introduction,

3400
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:03,280
there's just some changes. A lot of it

3401
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:05,760
just

3402
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:08,319
>> um

3403
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:12,870
page eight

3404
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:23,429
on this page. put down the top.

3405
02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:26,319
I don't know. I mean, I'm the one who

3406
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,399
made that comment, I guess. I don't

3407
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:31,200
know. Like, I I actually I did not use

3408
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,679
AI, but I did kind of just go out and

3409
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:35,679
looked up other websites and how they

3410
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:40,000
defined county administrator. And so, this is county administration.

3411
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,280
So, that's the only thing I want to

3412
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:43,280
point out to you. I I'm in agreement

3413
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:45,519
with what you you're a county

3414
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:47,760
administrator. Okay.

3415
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:50,080
>> But the actual uh number 12 is the

3416
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:51,120
commission administration.

3417
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:51,840
>> I didn't catch that.

3418
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:54,720
>> So this is like the the body of them is

3419
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:55,680
how I read it.

3420
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:56,160
>> Okay.

3421
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,000
>> I don't know. I mean it's that's that is

3422
02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:58,319
how it

3423
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:00,319
>> read. Yeah. So it's it's actually about

3424
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:03,280
the entire you know that commission.

3425
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,520
It's the three of them and how they are

3426
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:08,080
they work together. Yeah. Um, I don't

3427
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,399
know if there's a spot where we define

3428
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:12,800
the We'll keep going. We have a spot we

3429
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:14,160
define the county administrator. Maybe

3430
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:15,520
we can come back to that comment.

3431
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,359
>> Oh, sorry. I didn't catch. That's my

3432
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:17,840
bad.

3433
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,040
>> Yeah, just I was reading that today. I

3434
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,040
was like, I think that's um So,

3435
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:23,359
department head staff.

3436
02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:25,600
>> These do a lot of reading and editing.

3437
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:26,160
Just so you

3438
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:27,439
>> It's a lot of reading. I read the whole

3439
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:29,120
thing. I

3440
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,870
>> Well, just

3441
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:36,080
so number now we're on page nine.

3442
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:38,080
I made I made the comment on number two

3443
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:39,680
and I think I think they comment on

3444
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:41,439
three of the whating should have been

3445
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:43,280
made takes care of that. I just don't

3446
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:45,520
think it should be

3447
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:48,240
um it's just like I like I said in there

3448
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:50,720
math doesn't work out and uh I think I

3449
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:52,800
think everyone may have the opportunity.

3450
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,560
>> What it said before was the commission

3451
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:56,720
shall make its best effort to elect or

3452
02:20:56,720 --> 02:20:58,479
appoint a different commission member as

3453
02:20:58,479 --> 02:20:59,600
chair each year.

3454
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:02,960
>> Yeah. And I think that the comm admin

3455
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:07,110
put in there that each commissioner

3456
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:08,880
Yeah. should or may and maybe it needs

3457
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:12,960
to say each commissioner

3458
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:14,640
may have the opportunity to serve as

3459
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:16,640
chair or vice chair within their charity

3460
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:18,160
because of course saying the math

3461
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:20,240
doesn't that's a that's a great

3462
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:21,120
addition.

3463
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,840
>> So he said I'm the one who

3464
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:26,240
>> comments don't how do you want to are

3465
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:27,520
you guys going to write it down on your

3466
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:29,439
paper? I'm just going to write down. So

3467
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:31,920
I think on number one on the commission

3468
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:35,600
members with the appointment of the

3469
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:37,840
chair and the vice chair. I mean I do

3470
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:40,720
like the word should because

3471
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:43,760
if we all made a concerted effort to to

3472
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:46,560
make a new person be the chair or vice

3473
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:49,120
chair within the term of office versus

3474
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:51,280
may I mean not necessarily that they

3475
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:52,479
want to have it. I mean, some people

3476
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:53,680
maybe don't want to be the chair, the

3477
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:56,160
vice chair, but we we they should be

3478
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:58,240
able to have the opportunity. I don't

3479
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,040
know. I'm I'm I'm partial. Go ahead.

3480
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:06,070
>> I'm just curious. So,

3481
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:08,720
this So, would it still be voted on? It

3482
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:11,200
would still be.

3483
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:13,520
>> Okay.

3484
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,439
Anybody that Yeah, you can ask.

3485
02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:18,399
>> I use the word may, but

3486
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:20,880
I'm obviously not shackled to it.

3487
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:22,960
>> Yeah. I definitely think we need to add

3488
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:24,880
>> Steven though would really love to

3489
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:27,439
>> I think we need to definitely add chair

3490
02:22:27,439 --> 02:22:28,000
question

3491
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:31,600
>> or vice chair

3492
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:33,280
that way

3493
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:34,800
>> everyone could have a turn that wanted

3494
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:35,760
to have a term

3495
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:38,240
>> yeah and really I look at these their

3496
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:39,200
recommendations

3497
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:42,000
>> yeah ultimately there's nothing that's

3498
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,640
>> and then are we we've never should imply

3499
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:46,560
obligation may is permissive

3500
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:47,520
>> so may

3501
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:48,399
>> let's put may

3502
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:49,200
>> depends what you want

3503
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:50,560
>> well I don't I mean there's not an

3504
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:52,160
obligation to serve as a chair vice

3505
02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:53,040
chair. Right.

3506
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,120
>> Well, my question is, are we taking away

3507
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:57,040
the power of the vote?

3508
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:58,800
>> Definitely not. That's that's what we

3509
02:22:58,800 --> 02:22:59,280
should not

3510
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,439
>> That's what it feels like a little bit.

3511
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:03,120
>> Exactly. So,

3512
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:04,720
>> anyway, but the word may would make it

3513
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:06,720
not feel so

3514
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:08,720
>> so may. So, each commissioner may have

3515
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:10,479
the opportunity to serve as chair or

3516
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:13,280
vice chair within their terminal office.

3517
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:13,920
>> Panelist.

3518
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:14,319
>> Yes.

3519
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:16,000
>> Dana's gonna just rewatch the meeting

3520
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:17,520
and capture all the comments. So, you

3521
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:18,800
guys feel free to

3522
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:19,280
>> Okay.

3523
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:20,800
>> And then one more point. I don't think

3524
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:22,240
since I've been on we've never voted for

3525
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:24,960
a chair pref would this add in a vote so

3526
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:27,439
that that would be a third vote at the

3527
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:27,920
beginning

3528
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:28,880
>> they're both not here

3529
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:30,319
>> right yeah

3530
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:32,000
>> well what we did last one time when

3531
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:35,120
there were both chairs were we post we

3532
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:37,040
>> we did it was yeah and it was Kevin took

3533
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:38,720
over

3534
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:40,560
>> No when you and I went to

3535
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,160
>> No you and Gabe were actually in

3536
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,720
leadership and you went to a summit and

3537
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:47,040
then Kevin took over but we I think we

3538
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:51,910
voted on that at the meeting

3539
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:54,160
Yeah, Stephen has a comment. Let's see.

3540
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:55,600
>> In this context, you probably want the

3541
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:58,319
word should. Here's why. And I mean,

3542
02:23:58,319 --> 02:23:59,680
otherwise, it's it's an obvious

3543
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:01,600
statement. Each comm well, and it's

3544
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:04,960
actually not necessarily true, but may.

3545
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:07,439
If you say each commissioner may have

3546
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:08,720
the opportunity to serve, well, that's

3547
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:10,720
always been the case. That's stating the

3548
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,240
obvious. So, it doesn't increase or

3549
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:14,560
change anything. If you put should then

3550
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:16,319
it puts an obligation or more of an

3551
02:24:16,319 --> 02:24:18,800
elevated status that the body as a

3552
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,319
collective effort are trying to make

3553
02:24:20,319 --> 02:24:22,880
that good fa effort uh that each

3554
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:25,680
individual should have that opportunity

3555
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:28,000
>> depends have the opportunity to be voted

3556
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:29,760
on correct that's the way

3557
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:31,040
>> that's where I think

3558
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:32,960
>> well should they should if you want to

3559
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:34,960
use should have the opportunity to be

3560
02:24:34,960 --> 02:24:36,800
voted on otherwise you're taken away

3561
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:38,319
>> voted into office

3562
02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:41,760
>> well are we using item number one the

3563
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:44,080
laugh line on item to one. So it reads

3564
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,520
each commissioner should have the

3565
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:48,399
opportunity to serve as chair should say

3566
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:50,560
chair or vice chair within their term of

3567
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:54,720
office. So if you have it should then

3568
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:57,600
that creates kind of an obligation that

3569
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:59,439
each person should have that opportunity

3570
02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:00,960
to be either chair or vice chair. Now,

3571
02:25:00,960 --> 02:25:03,120
if you say should have the opportunity

3572
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:04,880
to be voted on as share by sheriff, of

3573
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:06,880
course, anybody should have that right

3574
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:08,720
to be voted on as share by sheriff. And

3575
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:10,800
in fact, that doesn't make sense. Um,

3576
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,359
and may wouldn't make sense if you're if

3577
02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:14,720
you're creating it with some sort of

3578
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:16,479
authority or desire that they actually

3579
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:18,880
serve. Serve is the correct word. That's

3580
02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:21,760
the intent of that phrase currently is

3581
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:24,000
I'm a I'm a commissioner. I should have

3582
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:25,920
the opportunity to be a chair, vice

3583
02:25:25,920 --> 02:25:28,720
chair. If it doesn't happen, I think

3584
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:30,399
there's there's nuances to that, but the

3585
02:25:30,399 --> 02:25:33,120
idea is in your term, you would you

3586
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:34,399
should have the opportunity to be either

3587
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:36,720
chair or vice chair. So, I think that

3588
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:40,319
does create some idea like if you had

3589
02:25:40,319 --> 02:25:41,760
I'm sorry, I'm going to start using

3590
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:44,479
examples. If you had uh you know,

3591
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,399
Commissioner Hadler, it would be going

3592
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:48,080
into next year, his third year in

3593
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:51,439
office. And if during this term he then

3594
02:25:51,439 --> 02:25:53,280
would kind of have a better argument to

3595
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,200
serving as chair of vice chair because

3596
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:57,280
he would say hey look I'm in my second

3597
02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:58,761
year or third year of my term

3598
02:25:58,761 --> 02:25:59,600
[clears throat] I should have that

3599
02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:02,240
ability and same with commissioner had

3600
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:03,520
the later years if they haven't

3601
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:05,600
accomplish that then they should have

3602
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:07,439
that opportunity if that's what the

3603
02:26:07,439 --> 02:26:09,280
commission wants to do but that's that's

3604
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:10,479
how you guys would have to play with it

3605
02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:12,080
going forward is you'd have to look and

3606
02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:14,399
say you know that's what it is and and

3607
02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:16,479
it does create and and I would say that

3608
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:18,720
does create an idea of fairness Um, if

3609
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:20,240
each individual commissioner does have

3610
02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:22,720
that ability and and should be involved,

3611
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:25,840
I from what I've seen, chair and vice

3612
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:27,280
chair have a substantially different

3613
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,840
role that just the normal commissioners.

3614
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:32,080
Not to say that there's not uh

3615
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:35,280
>> but but there's no obligation.

3616
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,520
>> It doesn't say must.

3617
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:39,680
>> Should should is different than must.

3618
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:41,920
Um, you know, strongly encouraged. You

3619
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:43,600
can there's different flavors of words

3620
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:45,200
that create higher probability

3621
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:47,200
requirements. Is there some need that

3622
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:49,120
we're even messing with this? Because

3623
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:50,800
regardless, we're going to come down to

3624
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:51,840
a vote, right?

3625
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:53,920
>> And a majority is certain rule on this.

3626
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:55,920
So why are we appointed?

3627
02:26:55,920 --> 02:26:57,280
>> Well, then should we just leave what the

3628
02:26:57,280 --> 02:26:58,880
words were before? The commission shall

3629
02:26:58,880 --> 02:27:00,640
make its best ever to elect or appoint a

3630
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:01,920
different commission member as chair

3631
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:02,720
each year.

3632
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:06,000
>> Well, I mean it does it speaking in this

3633
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:08,080
is this is the commission to decide. It

3634
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:10,720
does change how a person is elected and

3635
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:12,640
in the position that they're in, whether

3636
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:14,319
that is what the body wants to do or

3637
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:16,479
doesn't want to do. I mean, all of you

3638
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:19,040
have been in this role for a couple

3639
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:21,439
years at least or going on a second

3640
02:27:21,439 --> 02:27:23,600
year. Do you feel like everyone should

3641
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:25,280
have that opportunity during their full

3642
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:26,800
term to be the chair of the vice chair?

3643
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:28,800
And if you if you say no, you know what,

3644
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:30,720
as the dice is cast, however we vote,

3645
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:32,479
the majority votes, that's a different

3646
02:27:32,479 --> 02:27:33,840
conversation than saying, you know what,

3647
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:36,319
if I'm elected, I know one year I'll

3648
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:37,600
either get to be the chair, the vice

3649
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,520
chair, that's what should happen. Um,

3650
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:41,359
and then if you guys don't honor that,

3651
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:43,359
or if the commission doesn't vote that

3652
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:45,120
way, you know, that's a conversation

3653
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,359
you'd have with the future commission.

3654
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:49,439
But I do I do think that that does

3655
02:27:49,439 --> 02:27:50,960
change the level of service that a

3656
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:52,479
commission give or individual

3657
02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:54,080
commissioner gives and it brings for

3658
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:55,920
meaning to it. Now, that's not what the

3659
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:57,680
body wants to do. You don't have to do

3660
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:00,640
it, but it does change the way in which

3661
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:01,760
you serve.

3662
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:03,439
>> You want to do a straw poll on that

3663
02:28:03,439 --> 02:28:05,920
board that we're

3664
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:07,600
>> like to make a suggestion real quick.

3665
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:08,240
>> Go ahead, Greg.

3666
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:10,800
>> Yeah. Thanks. So, you know, in the in

3667
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:13,200
the idea of fairness, I think that maybe

3668
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:14,720
compromise to that and I don't know if

3669
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:16,240
we're going to ever come to an agreement

3670
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:18,399
on the way that that should be would be

3671
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:20,880
that each commissioner should have the

3672
02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:25,439
opportunity to attend agenda review.

3673
02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:27,040
And I think I think that that would I

3674
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:28,479
think that that would be a great spot

3675
02:28:28,479 --> 02:28:30,240
for that so that each commissioner does

3676
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:33,040
have the chance to see see how the uh

3677
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,120
the soup's made. And

3678
02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:36,560
>> again, it's just a different level of

3679
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:39,120
participation.

3680
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,000
Yeah, I think that's Sorry, go ahead.

3681
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:42,800
You had your hand up.

3682
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,200
>> Oh,

3683
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,439
>> what if

3684
02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:50,240
Chair McCandless doesn't make motions?

3685
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:53,600
She makes occasional seconds as chair.

3686
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:55,280
>> No, not even seconds. Why would I want

3687
02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:59,429
to do that?

3688
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:01,760
» You don't have the opportunity. You

3689
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:02,160
don't have to

3690
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:03,840
>> I mean I understand the other work

3691
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:05,920
because I'm part of us but I don't want

3692
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:08,240
to be locked out of making motions or

3693
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:10,080
>> but I do think there's a different level

3694
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:13,120
of I mean I served on I served as the

3695
02:29:13,120 --> 02:29:14,640
chair on the change of formal government

3696
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:16,399
committee and it's different being the

3697
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:21,200
chair. You learn when you were chair and chair you know former chair Hadler

3698
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:23,200
and Winfield can can speak to how it is

3699
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:24,640
being chair. It's a different meeting

3700
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:27,200
when you're in this. I I fully agree

3701
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:28,080
with you on that

3702
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:28,640
>> and public

3703
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:29,920
>> and the workload is different.

3704
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:31,120
>> Correct. So there's there's a lot of

3705
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:32,800
nuances, but there's no obligation if it

3706
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:34,240
said you have the right to service the

3707
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:35,680
chair or the vice chair. It's no

3708
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:38,080
obligation if you're the chair. Agreed.

3709
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:39,760
>> It's just that you get the it would be

3710
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:43,439
just be a greater challenge for all of the

3711
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:45,520
commission to look at it and say, you

3712
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:46,319
know what,

3713
02:29:46,319 --> 02:29:48,160
>> Mike, you haven't served yet. Would you

3714
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:49,760
like

3715
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:51,359
I don't really want to. And then they

3716
02:29:51,359 --> 02:29:53,040
would they did their d their duty and

3717
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,640
then they go on to the next person. I

3718
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,160
mean, that's what it would do if the

3719
02:29:56,160 --> 02:30:00,399
commission wanted to stick with should.

3720
02:30:00,399 --> 02:30:02,399
That would make everyone think about,

3721
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:03,840
okay, people are getting toward the end

3722
02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:06,240
of their office at this term, their 40

3723
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:07,680
years, and they haven't had an

3724
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:10,319
opportunity. We should

3725
02:30:10,319 --> 02:30:12,399
>> see if they would like that opportunity.

3726
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:14,399
And if they don't want it, then we go

3727
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,479
back to and bottom line, it goes to a

3728
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:18,800
vote anyways. So, I could think that

3729
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,720
Mike should do it. Bill could think that

3730
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,200
Mike should do it. Mike is willing to do

3731
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:25,280
it, but then you for vote no. You know,

3732
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:27,439
I mean, that's that's just how

3733
02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:29,840
>> the county attorney has stated that this

3734
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:32,160
is going to put an obligation. And if

3735
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:33,920
you're going to put an obligation that

3736
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:36,560
supersedes, I'm not in favor of it.

3737
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:38,479
>> It doesn't super the word doesn't

3738
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:41,120
supersede it. You should eat vegetables.

3739
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:43,120
You should do certain things. Now, I

3740
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:44,800
think it's a different conversation. So

3741
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:47,520
if for example next year Mike says,

3742
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:48,880
"Hey, I'd be interested in doing this

3743
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:51,439
and I've well I'm using let me let me

3744
02:30:51,439 --> 02:30:52,720
use the commissioners that are in their

3745
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:56,160
third years." So Commissioner Martinez,

3746
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:58,479
Haden Hadler, if if Commissioner

3747
02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:00,000
Martinez said, "Hey, look, I've never

3748
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,680
during my term served as the chair. I'd

3749
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:02,880
really like to do that." And

3750
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:05,439
Commissioner Haden states the same, then

3751
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:07,840
you guys should consider giving them

3752
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:09,600
that opportunity. Doesn't mean you have

3753
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:11,760
to. I mean maybe maybe that's what the

3754
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:14,560
language you change you know uh the

3755
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:17,120
commission will consider whether an

3756
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:18,640
individual has served in a leadership

3757
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:21,520
role during their term and and that way

3758
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:22,399
you could say you know what we

3759
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:24,800
considered if uh you know commissioner

3760
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,560
Martinez wanted to serve as chair but we

3761
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:28,640
don't mind that he doesn't in his term

3762
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:31,920
or not there's hundreds of flavors of it

3763
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:34,960
go ahead Mary I I I don't think see

3764
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:38,240
there's any need to add this I mean it

3765
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:40,399
all comes down to a vote

3766
02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:43,359
I mean, uh, my experience over the years

3767
02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:46,720
is it's some almost harder often times

3768
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:49,920
to get people be chair than to have the

3769
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:52,880
people want

3770
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:54,000
for a long time.

3771
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:55,840
>> I was

3772
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:57,840
nobody wanted to be

3773
02:31:57,840 --> 02:31:59,760
>> other than me and I said, "Okay, I'll do

3774
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:02,399
it." So, I I think it's unnecessary and

3775
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:03,920
I think we're spending too much time on

3776
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:05,680
it. I'd leave it as it was. I would just

3777
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:07,760
want not worry about it. Well, and one

3778
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:10,560
devil's advocate, anybody that wasn't

3779
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:13,120
going to be voted, anybody that was, you

3780
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:16,160
know, going back in time this year, we

3781
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:18,640
had an individual in the majority say,

3782
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:20,000
"Hey, look, I really want to be vice

3783
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:21,600
chair." And when when Commissioner

3784
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:23,200
Winfield was in the minority, or sorry,

3785
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:25,439
in the minority on both, people

3786
02:32:25,439 --> 02:32:27,359
requested to have this this same

3787
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:28,880
opportunity when they were in the

3788
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:34,720
minority. And so what it does is is it the easiest thing to do? No. Is it

3789
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:36,640
creating more fairness across the board?

3790
02:32:36,640 --> 02:32:39,200
Yes. And so

3791
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:40,960
I I what whatever the commission wants

3792
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:42,399
to do at the end of the day, but this

3793
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:44,479
does elevate it to at least having that

3794
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:46,399
consideration because when the shoes on

3795
02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:48,640
the other foot, I I think anybody would

3796
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:50,160
love to have even the ability to say,

3797
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:51,840
"Hey, look, we're the minority. You guys

3798
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:53,280
should consider this." And whether they

3799
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:55,040
want to say on the record, hey, look,

3800
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:57,120
uh, we've considered it. We know you're

3801
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:58,640
on your third or fourth year of your

3802
02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:00,399
term. We're not going to give it to you

3803
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:02,240
either. It's at least giving that

3804
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:04,080
recognition of having that requirement.

3805
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:06,880
>> Well, I think that's a different goal. I

3806
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:08,880
mean, I what I'm hearing from you is you

3807
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:11,359
want equal opportunity for both uh

3808
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:14,080
points of view because I know one time

3809
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:15,840
uh you know because oftentimes Curtis

3810
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:18,319
Wells I didn't agree but we we served as

3811
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,640
chair and vice chair and it worked and

3812
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:23,359
it worked great. So I I would think if

3813
02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:26,000
that's what your goal is to say uh you

3814
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:30,240
know have you know do your best to have

3815
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:34,720
uh the chair the vice chair uh have not

3816
02:33:34,720 --> 02:33:36,960
I don't know how you'd put it not be

3817
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:39,520
from the same party not be you know if

3818
02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:41,760
that's the goal but this doesn't say the

3819
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:44,560
goal this is this isn't getting at the

3820
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:48,000
goal I just think you know I I don't I I

3821
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:50,800
don't know any board or anything that

3822
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:55,600
does that I think it's always I I I just

3823
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:57,200
I'll go with the bolt, but I just think

3824
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:58,240
it's unnecessary.

3825
02:33:58,240 --> 02:33:59,760
>> There there are many commissioners

3826
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,359
commissions out there that do rotating

3827
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:02,160
chairs.

3828
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:07,760
>> Well, we we encourage and it says right there do our best to off uh to

3829
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:09,840
appoint a different commission member as

3830
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:11,359
chair every year.

3831
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:11,920
>> Correct.

3832
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,880
>> And so, uh you know,

3833
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:17,040
I I think it's already stated. I I I

3834
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:19,359
think you know it's almost confusing

3835
02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:22,319
here and it could add ambiguity

3836
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:26,870
to the to the situation.

3837
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:29,040
» Okay, we're going to skip this one for

3838
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:30,640
the moment

3839
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:32,000
>> because we're taking up a lot of time.

3840
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:33,359
So we're going to have to come come back

3841
02:34:33,359 --> 02:34:36,720
to that discussion or maybe we can

3842
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:39,439
>> figure out if

3843
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:42,479
>> All right. So um number two it has the

3844
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:43,760
chair and the commission administration

3845
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:47,680
office must be notified that is

3846
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:48,560
>> page

3847
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:49,200
>> uh still

3848
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:50,000
>> on page nine.

3849
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:51,439
>> Oh okay.

3850
02:34:51,439 --> 02:34:52,640
>> So yeah if you're not going to make it

3851
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:54,640
to a meeting be notified that added in

3852
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:56,479
the chair and commission administration

3853
02:34:56,479 --> 02:34:59,439
that generally happens um and

3854
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:01,280
participation.

3855
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:11,510
No more comments.

3856
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:23,990
All right, flipping on to page 10.

3857
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:26,080
I I did the comment number five and it

3858
02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:28,479
says if you read that I I could be wrong

3859
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:31,920
on this, but it it it appears to me that

3860
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:35,359
um that that you does this does it

3861
02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:37,680
require the chair's approval? Um

3862
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:39,520
>> tell me what number one I'm sorry

3863
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,840
>> number H10 number 10.

3864
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:44,560
>> Before we go past number six, can I just

3865
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:46,479
note one quick thing on number six?

3866
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,399
>> This was brought up in the past.

3867
02:35:48,399 --> 02:35:51,359
>> Does the commission want a commission

3868
02:35:51,359 --> 02:35:55,120
member elect to have Cool.

3869
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:57,600
>> We we brought that up once upon a time.

3870
02:35:57,600 --> 02:35:59,040
>> What?

3871
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:00,560
>> To back up to number six.

3872
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:00,960
>> Yeah.

3873
02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:01,680
>> May I?

3874
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:02,640
>> Yes.

3875
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:04,240
>> Depending on the number of licenses we

3876
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:06,399
have with our Google account, our Google

3877
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:09,600
corporate whatever you workspace,

3878
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:12,000
>> we we try and keep that as low as

3879
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:13,359
possible because we're charged for every

3880
02:36:13,359 --> 02:36:16,960
account. So from a budgetary standpoint

3881
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:19,040
>> and and a limit on the number of emails,

3882
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:20,560
the fewer we have at any given time, the

3883
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:22,399
better. I see your point too. But but at

3884
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:22,960
most you're

3885
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:25,200
>> an elect isn't adding one.

3886
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:27,840
>> Well, adding one that'll be there at the

3887
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:28,960
first of the year anyway.

3888
02:36:28,960 --> 02:36:30,560
>> Well, the issue that we've ran into in

3889
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:34,080
the past is when individuals and when we

3890
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:35,600
for my personal exper Well, for the

3891
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:36,640
attorney, it's weird, but for

3892
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,439
commissioners when folks start, it's

3893
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:42,479
really hard because you have no county

3894
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:44,880
email. And I don't want to go down the

3895
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:46,560
road of I I don't want to encourage

3896
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:48,479
people cram on people's email addresses,

3897
02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:50,720
their personal email addresses, but once

3898
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:52,640
you're elected, you we really should

3899
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:54,640
step into having a county email address

3900
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:56,880
and having county information.

3901
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,120
>> So So the most we could have is four.

3902
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,280
That's extremely unlikely. Generally

3903
02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:02,960
after an election, we usually get on

3904
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:04,560
average, I'd say, two new commissioners.

3905
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:05,040
Right.

3906
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:07,600
>> Right. And I' I'd exclude I'd exclude

3907
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:09,200
anybody that's going to be the attorney,

3908
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:12,240
assessor, recorder, treasurer, any of

3909
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:13,760
those positions because I think that

3910
02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:15,920
creates confusion and issues. But for

3911
02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:17,439
commissioners,

3912
02:37:17,439 --> 02:37:19,359
I do think it's part of the it's really

3913
02:37:19,359 --> 02:37:21,840
hard to get them to sign up

3914
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:23,600
immediately in January. If you can do it

3915
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,439
in December and start doing the

3916
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:26,319
onboarding,

3917
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:27,760
>> Quinn, what what does two extra accounts

3918
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:29,359
for two months cost?

3919
02:37:29,359 --> 02:37:30,880
>> Two is probably not going to have

3920
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:32,960
because we they come in packages. Two is

3921
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:34,880
probably not going to be a big deal. I

3922
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:36,880
mean obviously the the very most you

3923
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:38,960
could have is four on everything.

3924
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,120
>> I can see value. I know that that first

3925
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,760
month after I mean there was a lot

3926
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:45,760
happening and I was using my getting my

3927
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:47,280
personal email and I was asking for it

3928
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:49,600
and then even even until I was sworn in

3929
02:37:49,600 --> 02:37:52,720
on January 7th but that meeting we had

3930
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:54,479
>> we had a whole bunch of public comment

3931
02:37:54,479 --> 02:37:56,640
that got had to get forward my personal

3932
02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:58,319
email I didn't get to see it. So,

3933
02:37:58,319 --> 02:38:01,600
>> oh that's a fair question. I think I think that that's a good idea to

3934
02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:02,479
at least for

3935
02:38:02,479 --> 02:38:04,560
>> So would we add this in the commission

3936
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:06,560
email communication policy that we would

3937
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:08,319
add in a look or there's some like

3938
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:10,560
further down here there's like what we

3939
02:38:10,560 --> 02:38:12,800
do for brand new

3940
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:14,240
>> there's an onboarding section

3941
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:15,520
>> the onboarding section

3942
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:17,840
>> in some and I just saw email I brought

3943
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:21,280
it up in some um in some other locations

3944
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:23,120
they also put additional and again I'm

3945
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:25,200
not trying to create chaos they also put

3946
02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:27,840
some additional restrictions on

3947
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:30,880
individual uals for individuals that are

3948
02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:33,200
not either renewing office or that are

3949
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:35,760
not reelected at that point. So, for

3950
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:37,920
example, they they I think Salt Lake

3951
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:41,359
County prohibits travel from people that

3952
02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:42,080
are

3953
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:43,200
>> lame ducks.

3954
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:43,600
>> Correct.

3955
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:45,520
>> Yeah. So there there's some other

3956
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:48,319
onboarding things that other localities

3957
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:50,800
do, but I just saw email and I knew that

3958
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:52,000
was kind of a nightmare and I can't

3959
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:52,800
remember

3960
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:54,800
>> we had brought it up I think when

3961
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:57,359
Commissioner Martinez and yourself

3962
02:38:57,359 --> 02:38:59,120
>> were were coming on because you guys had

3963
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:00,960
that weird nuanced way where you guys

3964
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:02,720
didn't have access to county information

3965
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:06,000
and resources and emails.

3966
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:07,200
>> Hey, you can ask me. Do we need to have

3967
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:08,399
that in the policies and procedures

3968
02:39:08,399 --> 02:39:10,160
though or can we just have that as a

3969
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:11,680
>> No, it needs to be in policies and

3970
02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:13,040
procedures. Uh, I think maybe we need to

3971
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:15,120
put it let's put it on boarding section

3972
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:18,479
like that's toward the end. I made a

3973
02:39:18,479 --> 02:39:20,399
note. We'll figure out where it goes.

3974
02:39:20,399 --> 02:39:22,160
Actually, Dana will probably figure out

3975
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:23,439
where it goes.

3976
02:39:23,439 --> 02:39:25,920
>> Um,

3977
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:27,520
>> thank you.

3978
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,479
>> Back to number nine.

3979
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:32,000
>> So, yeah, engaging in staff. How does

3980
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:32,960
this how do you think this reads,

3981
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:36,479
Stephen? I does it does it so and then

3982
02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:39,840
does the chair have the chair obviously

3983
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:42,240
with their the chair's own approval can

3984
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:43,920
engage with staff

3985
02:39:43,920 --> 02:39:45,840
>> so the commission administrator anytime

3986
02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:46,960
they want

3987
02:39:46,960 --> 02:39:48,880
>> so I and I've looked at other ones in

3988
02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:51,439
the past other places look at projects

3989
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:54,319
based on a sectioned off approach about

3990
02:39:54,319 --> 02:39:57,040
how long the task is going to take be it

3991
02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:00,160
a small task of like five or 10 minutes

3992
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:01,920
I I think you could do it the way that

3993
02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:04,399
that's suggested here, but the increase

3994
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,399
of the ask or the increase of the

3995
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:08,960
information, the more ownorous on the on

3996
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:11,359
the department. And so I think Salt Lake

3997
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:12,720
County or a different county broke it

3998
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,240
down into like if the request is less

3999
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:18,560
than 15 minutes, then you you can ask um

4000
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:20,160
I I think they can just generally ask

4001
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:21,520
like any commissioner can ask of a

4002
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:23,359
project of like 15 minutes just like any

4003
02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:24,560
member of the public could do that. Like

4004
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:26,800
if you roll into uh the weeds department

4005
02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:29,439
or like hey can you please explain weeds

4006
02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:31,439
you know blah blah blah. The next level

4007
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:33,760
is between that [clears throat] 30

4008
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:36,479
minutes uh you know from an less than an

4009
02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:38,479
hour is how Salt Lake did it is you go

4010
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:39,760
to the department head before you ask

4011
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:41,840
this staff employee and then the next

4012
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:44,160
level above an hour you get comm admin

4013
02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:46,399
approval. Um that's how they broke it

4014
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:49,040
down in Salt Lake County on this. I I

4015
02:40:49,040 --> 02:40:52,319
think it does work. You guys should you

4016
02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:54,880
know you can work through the chair and

4017
02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:58,000
then go through com admin. Yeah, I think

4018
02:40:58,000 --> 02:41:01,680
that also works. The question is to what

4019
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,160
degree or what is the item that

4020
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:07,200
restricts communication. So if if

4021
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:09,600
somebody was like hey I need to know

4022
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,240
what our current ad campaign is are you

4023
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:13,439
guys going to go through the chair then

4024
02:41:13,439 --> 02:41:15,359
comm admin to get basic information

4025
02:41:15,359 --> 02:41:16,479
about that.

4026
02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:18,560
>> Well this says specific commission

4027
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:20,960
member initiatives. So it's not like

4028
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:23,280
just a request like if you just want to

4029
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:25,840
ask a request of someone if you were

4030
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,840
working on a specific

4031
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:32,080
>> initiative for example if I

4032
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:34,479
wasn't the chair and I wanted to go and

4033
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:37,200
talk to

4034
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:39,439
>> the leads department on a specific thing

4035
02:41:39,439 --> 02:41:40,960
or well let's use Cody because he's

4036
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:42,080
sitting right here and I wanted to go

4037
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:44,000
talk to Cody but it was like outside of

4038
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:45,359
the purview of what the normal

4039
02:41:45,359 --> 02:41:47,680
commission is doing you know so that's

4040
02:41:47,680 --> 02:41:50,399
what I think that this is it's it's

4041
02:41:50,399 --> 02:41:52,080
helping staff because if they are

4042
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:53,680
getting direction from the commission

4043
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:55,520
right here, but there's one commissioner

4044
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,680
that's not necessarily happy with what

4045
02:41:57,680 --> 02:41:59,520
the full commission goes for and then

4046
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,120
they're going to go to Cody and be like,

4047
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,439
I don't really care what the commission

4048
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:04,960
voted, but I think that we need to work

4049
02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:08,319
on this road by my house. That's that's

4050
02:42:08,319 --> 02:42:10,399
a big issue and I think that that has

4051
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:12,479
been happening throughout the years at

4052
02:42:12,479 --> 02:42:14,240
the county. I'm not going to say it

4053
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:16,479
here, but I think it's important to make

4054
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:19,600
sure that our staff are not being pushed

4055
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,960
in um having to make decisions that

4056
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:25,600
they're going to go against the majority

4057
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:27,200
of the comm commission or the one

4058
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:28,240
commissioner that's sitting in their

4059
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:31,040
office. And so if the chairs appraised

4060
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:32,800
of it say, you know, hey, I really want

4061
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:35,280
to go talk to Cody about the flooding

4062
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:38,160
issues. Great. Go ahead. Go work with

4063
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:39,760
Cody on the flooding issues and let

4064
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,120
admin know that you're doing that, you

4065
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:43,120
know. But if it was something different

4066
02:42:43,120 --> 02:42:45,680
then and if you were in the minority and

4067
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:47,520
you didn't like what the commission was

4068
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:50,080
doing then you may come and go against

4069
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:51,280
it and that's where just keeping

4070
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:53,120
everything aligned and really to protect

4071
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:55,920
staff. Yeah, that's what where I see it.

4072
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:58,319
So with initiatives is what you're

4073
02:42:58,319 --> 02:43:00,960
referring to is

4074
02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:02,479
you know because you can engage with

4075
02:43:02,479 --> 02:43:04,640
staff if you want to call them and say

4076
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:06,560
uh

4077
02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:09,760
>> when are you having that workshop on you

4078
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:10,000
know

4079
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:13,280
>> yeah it's generalally it's initiatives

4080
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:15,359
are when you are asking to do something

4081
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:19,600
that will uh create more work after the

4082
02:43:19,600 --> 02:43:22,399
phone call I mean if you do a quick

4083
02:43:22,399 --> 02:43:23,920
phone call for a quick question.

4084
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:25,920
>> Okay. I mean would project be a better

4085
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:26,479
word than

4086
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:29,439
>> I think project might

4087
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:32,000
>> or or or member uh commission members

4088
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:35,439
who wish to engage with staff

4089
02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:37,439
commission members

4090
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:42,640
>> maybe requests on specific commission member requests. I mean

4091
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:44,000
really what you're doing here is you're

4092
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:48,399
trying to limit what a commission member goes to an individual

4093
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:49,920
employee and request them things of

4094
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:53,120
them. playing devil's advocate. I would

4095
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:54,640
do everything I can if you didn't define

4096
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:56,160
the word initiative. I could say, "Well,

4097
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:58,080
that wasn't technically an initiative. I

4098
02:43:58,080 --> 02:43:59,200
was just thinking of a potential

4099
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:00,160
project."

4100
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:02,960
>> Well, maybe we say initiative project.

4101
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:04,160
Would that be more clear?

4102
02:44:04,160 --> 02:44:07,760
>> Sure. or just say or or make it so that

4103
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:15,349
we don't is that uh commission members

4104
02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:17,040
cannot

4105
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:20,399
get uh direct staff

4106
02:44:20,399 --> 02:44:23,520
in manners that causes more work or they

4107
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:28,150
really shouldn't be directing staff.

4108
02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:29,600
» No, they shouldn't be. But there are

4109
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:30,640
people that go

4110
02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:32,160
>> through the administrator. Yeah.

4111
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:37,040
>> Yeah. [clears throat] They if you if you have to

4112
02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,120
>> how about how about commission members

4113
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:42,720
who wish to um let's see who wish to

4114
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:45,279
make requests of staff shall first

4115
02:44:45,279 --> 02:44:49,279
receive comm chair approval

4116
02:44:49,279 --> 02:44:51,439
>> request is like hey can you give me an

4117
02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:53,279
update on flooding or can you give me an

4118
02:44:53,279 --> 02:44:54,800
update I mean I don't know that that's

4119
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:58,080
inappropriate if you know that requests

4120
02:44:58,080 --> 02:44:59,760
are different than initiatives. Go

4121
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:01,439
ahead. I think the way that you have it

4122
02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:03,680
right here commission member I it

4123
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:05,680
specifically says a member right

4124
02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:09,600
initiative right and I think that that clarifies it's not something

4125
02:45:09,600 --> 02:45:10,960
that you're working on that the whole

4126
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:14,080
body has come up with it's not your it's

4127
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:15,840
not your you know your the the board

4128
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:18,160
that you're a liazison to I mean this is

4129
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:19,840
something that you are you're going I

4130
02:45:19,840 --> 02:45:21,760
think outside of

4131
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:24,240
>> you know this is a specific members

4132
02:45:24,240 --> 02:45:26,240
initiative

4133
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:27,920
and at least that's how I read it maybe

4134
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:30,640
I'm maybe I'm wrong Now, that's how I

4135
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:32,080
read it and that's what I think the

4136
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:34,319
intent is. It's just so that everyone's

4137
02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:35,920
working on the same page and our staff

4138
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:37,600
is not being directed to different

4139
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:40,160
directions because we are their boss and

4140
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:42,880
if we tell them something there is they

4141
02:45:42,880 --> 02:45:45,439
have a real feeling that I have to do

4142
02:45:45,439 --> 02:45:46,399
this.

4143
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:47,760
>> And I would argue that that this

4144
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:49,680
language too is becomes important for

4145
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:51,359
any staff member that feels like, oh

4146
02:45:51,359 --> 02:45:52,560
man, I have this one commissioner that

4147
02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:53,840
wants me to work on this thing that's

4148
02:45:53,840 --> 02:45:55,680
going to take nine hours. I'm going to

4149
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,200
go to admin and just make sure that this

4150
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:59,760
is okay. It gives staff a way to like

4151
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,279
confirm that what they're working on is

4152
02:46:01,279 --> 02:46:02,960
the will of the commission.

4153
02:46:02,960 --> 02:46:05,600
>> I think that's important too.

4154
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:07,040
>> Okay. Would you want to just use the

4155
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:08,800
word initiative or change it to project

4156
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:09,279
or

4157
02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:10,720
>> I don't have a strong preference on the

4158
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:12,160
word itself.

4159
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:14,240
>> Even I guess that's project. I I like

4160
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:15,520
project

4161
02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:17,760
>> project.

4162
02:46:17,760 --> 02:46:21,040
I might question one's attachment double

4163
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:25,200
X. Okay. I'm good with it. Um

4164
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:26,560
commission's rule is put on the

4165
02:46:26,560 --> 02:46:29,040
legislative.

4166
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:32,240
>> Where was this number

4167
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:33,279
attachment?

4168
02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:36,950
>> Amendment XX.

4169
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:38,720
» I think that's the form of government we

4170
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:39,760
were going to attach. We're going to try

4171
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:41,040
to make this really complete by

4172
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:43,120
attaching all the

4173
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:44,640
documents that

4174
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:46,960
>> could could perhaps we put

4175
02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:48,960
>> before commission members engage with

4176
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:50,960
staff on specific commission member

4177
02:46:50,960 --> 02:46:53,040
initiatives.

4178
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:55,840
um about 10 things or whatever we did

4179
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:57,439
that resolution was where that was going

4180
02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:57,680
to be.

4181
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:58,960
>> Thumbs up. I understand the word

4182
02:46:58,960 --> 02:46:59,840
>> doesn't exist yet.

4183
02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:00,160
>> Okay.

4184
02:47:00,160 --> 02:47:02,000
>> They're all out of order. I mean like no

4185
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:03,359
one's messed with them until you guys

4186
02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:03,920
are done.

4187
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:05,840
>> Yeah.

4188
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:07,680
>> So go ahead Stephen what we saying?

4189
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:08,880
>> I would just change the paragraph

4190
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:12,000
slightly. So before commission members

4191
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:15,040
engage with staff on specific commission

4192
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,600
member initiatives instead of who wish

4193
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:19,279
to engage with staff. It's a really

4194
02:47:19,279 --> 02:47:20,399
weird phrase.

4195
02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:22,000
>> I like that. Stephen four commission

4196
02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:23,279
members

4197
02:47:23,279 --> 02:47:25,760
>> engage with staff on specific commission

4198
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:26,880
member initiatives.

4199
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:28,800
>> Let's go first. I think that does clear

4200
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:29,520
it up.

4201
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:32,640
>> Thank you.

4202
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:34,640
>> Okay, we're going to move on to number

4203
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:39,910
10, which is the commission's policy.

4204
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:43,520
» We talked about this before. I know

4205
02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:45,680
there's a comment about it.

4206
02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:48,319
>> Yeah. And if if if you don't mind and

4207
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:50,479
you guys can do whatever you want, but I

4208
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:52,240
would like to leave that comment there

4209
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:55,920
and then we if in the end we when we're

4210
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:58,640
approving this if we go through the last

4211
02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:00,800
couple if we have a couple points of

4212
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:02,800
contention and we just vote on them, I'm

4213
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:05,279
okay to to lose the vote. But that is

4214
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:07,520
definitely something I have a strong

4215
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:13,349
opinion about.

4216
02:48:13,359 --> 02:48:14,640
or if you want to do a straw bowl right

4217
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,720
now, whatever you want to do. Madam

4218
02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:19,760
chair, I just I I personally think that

4219
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:21,439
these um [clears throat] our

4220
02:48:21,439 --> 02:48:23,120
communications that are going out should

4221
02:48:23,120 --> 02:48:26,880
go through um entire commission or

4222
02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:28,319
disapproval.

4223
02:48:28,319 --> 02:48:30,960
>> Is this based off of

4224
02:48:30,960 --> 02:48:33,279
our communications as in Grand County?

4225
02:48:33,279 --> 02:48:35,279
>> Yes. Yeah. communication. All official

4226
02:48:35,279 --> 02:48:37,600
communications on behalf of the Grand

4227
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:38,560
County

4228
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:40,399
>> shall align with the adopted policies

4229
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:41,840
and current priorities of the commission

4230
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:43,760
majority.

4231
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:45,840
>> So be grounded in verifiable facts and

4232
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:47,359
serve to inform and educate residents

4233
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:48,640
while supporting healthy civic

4234
02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:50,960
discourse. So communications do not

4235
02:48:50,960 --> 02:48:52,399
require prior commission approval and

4236
02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:53,359
know the responsibility of

4237
02:48:53,359 --> 02:48:55,040
administrative staff prepared as needed

4238
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:56,240
in collaboration with mission

4239
02:48:56,240 --> 02:48:58,960
administrator to ensure consistency with

4240
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:00,960
the county's governance direction and

4241
02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:02,960
policy commitments.

4242
02:49:02,960 --> 02:49:05,840
And that's where C's ask for it to be

4243
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:07,600
approved by the whole commission. I

4244
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:09,680
don't see that same almost the same idea

4245
02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:13,920
of when we're talking about the um

4246
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:16,399
you know not enough time. If we're if we

4247
02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:17,760
just have a commission meeting and we

4248
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:20,080
make a a plan to go forward with

4249
02:49:20,080 --> 02:49:23,040
something the commission and then our

4250
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:24,880
point our information officer puts out

4251
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:26,640
information about that. if it was going

4252
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,000
to come back before the commission for

4253
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:30,080
approval, that's going to be another two

4254
02:49:30,080 --> 02:49:32,080
weeks later before that information goes

4255
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:33,920
out to the community and that's just too

4256
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:35,920
far away. So, I think when you have a

4257
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:37,600
majority makes a decision and something

4258
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:43,760
goes out to the community, that's what it is and and admin's fully

4259
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:45,359
involved in that and that's

4260
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:48,240
>> I thought we were already there.

4261
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:51,670
>> Go ahead, Trish.

4262
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:54,399
I guess I'm struggling with our current

4263
02:49:54,399 --> 02:49:55,520
well and maybe we're going to get to

4264
02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:58,319
that Mel. So adopted policies and

4265
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:00,479
current priorities. We obviously don't

4266
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:02,560
have that currently. We don't have our

4267
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:04,880
current priorities but I think we are

4268
02:50:04,880 --> 02:50:07,279
going to get to that. So I'm okay with

4269
02:50:07,279 --> 02:50:09,359
this idea that maybe at the beginning of

4270
02:50:09,359 --> 02:50:11,120
the year which I think we'll get to that

4271
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:13,439
we are going to workshop and outline our

4272
02:50:13,439 --> 02:50:15,439
priorities. I mean we do have a general

4273
02:50:15,439 --> 02:50:17,600
plan. We have the general 2030 plan

4274
02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:19,840
which technically should be our guiding

4275
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:21,840
principles right and so

4276
02:50:21,840 --> 02:50:23,760
>> right those don't have our current

4277
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:27,120
>> we don't have no I wish I was like had

4278
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:29,120
been way ready to be the chair and I

4279
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:29,920
would have done a lot of things

4280
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:31,600
differently but I'm we're getting there

4281
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:32,960
maybe halfway through and I'm going to

4282
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:34,800
send out a priority list once we finish

4283
02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:37,840
these policies and procedures and and go

4284
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:39,840
that way so so hopefully that direction

4285
02:50:39,840 --> 02:50:41,680
would follow that and it would go for I

4286
02:50:41,680 --> 02:50:44,319
mean it's not it's going to go it's

4287
02:50:44,319 --> 02:50:46,080
going to go one way or the what whatever

4288
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:47,600
the majority of the commission and

4289
02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:50,640
that's the same thing as for the staff

4290
02:50:50,640 --> 02:50:52,240
it doesn't say anything think okay well

4291
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:53,680
I was working on this project two years

4292
02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:55,200
ago for the commission but now the

4293
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:56,880
commission changed and I I basically

4294
02:50:56,880 --> 02:50:58,880
need to leave that project alone and be

4295
02:50:58,880 --> 02:51:01,200
working on something else and it's to me

4296
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:02,960
it's just still being kind to the staff

4297
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:05,279
to make sure that they know what their

4298
02:51:05,279 --> 02:51:07,279
directives are and where they're coming

4299
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:15,429
from but we can start

4300
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,279
potentially and this is just another

4301
02:51:17,279 --> 02:51:20,240
suggestion. I think as commissioners,

4302
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:22,160
all of you are deemed to be the most

4303
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:24,640
knowledgeable county issues in the

4304
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:25,760
community. If anybody has questions

4305
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:27,600
about the county, I think if the county

4306
02:51:27,600 --> 02:51:32,000
is going to give out a press release, I do think that it would be a good

4307
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:34,000
suggestion to be able to have that

4308
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:36,240
circulated or at least provided to the

4309
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:39,040
commission prior to release. Um, the

4310
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:41,760
reason why is because not that they get

4311
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:43,600
object and say, "Hey, don't send this

4312
02:51:43,600 --> 02:51:46,000
out." Um, but at least publishing it.

4313
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:48,720
And the reason why is there have been

4314
02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:51,200
I'm not going to use Well, there have

4315
02:51:51,200 --> 02:51:54,560
been times that it has been I I think

4316
02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:56,399
electeds have found out about the

4317
02:51:56,399 --> 02:51:58,319
county's official stance regarding an

4318
02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:01,359
item online before they received it.

4319
02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:03,200
Now, whether or not commissioners will

4320
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:04,880
have the ability to say they shouldn't

4321
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:07,040
print that or not, I do think it's it's

4322
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:08,560
reasonable to assume that commissioners

4323
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:11,120
are going to get information before the

4324
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:13,279
public. And I think as they're elected,

4325
02:52:13,279 --> 02:52:15,359
they should have that heads up or other

4326
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:18,319
electeds that are involved. Um, so maybe

4327
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:19,920
you

4328
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:22,080
kind of said that prior, but we

4329
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:24,560
obviously didn't put it into

4330
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:26,720
put it in writing. So I I like the idea

4331
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:28,960
>> noticed before so that everyone gets a

4332
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:31,439
copy of before it's published.

4333
02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:33,200
>> I like that. That'd be great. That way

4334
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:36,080
you know you're not blindsided whenever

4335
02:52:36,080 --> 02:52:37,920
I felt like I' I've been blindsided a

4336
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:38,800
few times and I think

4337
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:41,279
>> that's information only.

4338
02:52:41,279 --> 02:52:42,800
>> Yeah. This is on we're still talking

4339
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:45,520
about number policy. So, if we were

4340
02:52:45,520 --> 02:52:46,800
going to post something, so anything

4341
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:49,680
that's going to be posted on our on our

4342
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:52,319
>> county website or shared on social media

4343
02:52:52,319 --> 02:52:54,800
will just be shared with in the

4344
02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:57,200
commission members before I even if it's

4345
02:52:57,200 --> 02:52:58,479
five minutes before it's posted.

4346
02:52:58,479 --> 02:52:59,520
>> If you don't check your email, it's your

4347
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:00,000
own problem.

4348
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:01,920
>> Yeah. So, you're up, you know, where

4349
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:03,120
it's going to be.

4350
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:04,479
>> You don't have people coming up to you

4351
02:53:04,479 --> 02:53:05,439
and you're going, "Huh?"

4352
02:53:05,439 --> 02:53:09,680
>> And one other thought, I mean, this is what the Supreme Court does. I

4353
02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:12,560
mean, if you really want to have a solid

4354
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:14,560
statement, although there is no

4355
02:53:14,560 --> 02:53:17,200
obligation, considering what the

4356
02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:18,960
opposing side is going to say is

4357
02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:21,920
somewhat helpful. Um, so I just I put

4358
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:24,319
that nugget in. Makes your majority

4359
02:53:24,319 --> 02:53:25,760
statements better when you know what the

4360
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:27,760
descent is going to say. And that's

4361
02:53:27,760 --> 02:53:30,399
helpful for uh the press release as well

4362
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:33,279
because if you say X, Y, and Z, somebody

4363
02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:35,040
that might not agree with the statement,

4364
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:36,399
knowing that they're not going to stop

4365
02:53:36,399 --> 02:53:38,000
the statement and say, "Hey, look, I

4366
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:39,120
know you guys are going to publish this,

4367
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:41,040
but I really think maybe modify the

4368
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:43,279
language." That's it. They don't get to

4369
02:53:43,279 --> 02:53:45,439
stop the statement. It's providing

4370
02:53:45,439 --> 02:53:48,000
additional thoughts. They're I'm just

4371
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,000
again I'm just telling you guys what

4372
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:52,000
happens in in the court system.

4373
02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:52,800
>> Go ahead.

4374
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:54,720
>> Um I've got a couple of thoughts. If

4375
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:56,479
we're going to go that far, then maybe

4376
02:53:56,479 --> 02:53:58,800
before somebody starts posting on social

4377
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:00,560
media, we should be approving their

4378
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:03,040
posts as a commissioner. I'm being

4379
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,200
sarcastic. Please forgive me. But then

4380
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:06,880
my other thought is I think we really

4381
02:54:06,880 --> 02:54:09,439
need to put a time limit tonight and

4382
02:54:09,439 --> 02:54:11,359
come back and finish this at a different

4383
02:54:11,359 --> 02:54:14,960
time because we're on very few pages

4384
02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:16,319
here and we're not going to get through

4385
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:16,560
this.

4386
02:54:16,560 --> 02:54:17,840
>> Yeah. No, we're not. And actually, we

4387
02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:19,439
are at that time limit that I put on

4388
02:54:19,439 --> 02:54:20,640
there. So,

4389
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:21,120
>> thank you.

4390
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:22,319
>> Do you have any other comments before I

4391
02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:24,240
let anybody else talk? I'm not like the

4392
02:54:24,240 --> 02:54:24,640
other.

4393
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:26,160
>> We're gonna calling you and Mike and

4394
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:28,720
then we're going to wrap up. Um I love

4395
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:31,279
this. I appreciate the return of the

4396
02:54:31,279 --> 02:54:33,439
workshop. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm

4397
02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:36,720
being s very sincere, Madam Chair, that

4398
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:39,439
I appreciate this. I feel like it's just

4399
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:41,760
a better way to engage the entire

4400
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:44,080
commission. We can have dissent. We can

4401
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:46,240
have this agreement. But I felt like

4402
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:47,920
this was a great process and I really

4403
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:49,439
appreciate having Stephen and having

4404
02:54:49,439 --> 02:54:51,520
your input because this is obviously

4405
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:55,120
your your your gig and so um this was a

4406
02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:56,880
great process. I appreciate it. And

4407
02:54:56,880 --> 02:54:57,920
we're going to have our next meeting and

4408
02:54:57,920 --> 02:54:59,600
now even we all print the copies. I feel

4409
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:01,920
like it's so much easier.

4410
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:04,560
I love we just try to keep it.

4411
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:06,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. Keep it.

4412
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:07,600
>> Yeah. Keep your theme. Bring it back.

4413
02:55:07,600 --> 02:55:09,920
Make your copies people. That's

4414
02:55:09,920 --> 02:55:10,640
expensive.

4415
02:55:10,640 --> 02:55:12,319
>> Yeah. I think you can go ahead and we

4416
02:55:12,319 --> 02:55:14,000
maybe not open up the online but if you

4417
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:16,800
make your comments on here and that way

4418
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:19,200
you will follow up next meeting and Mike

4419
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:19,680
go ahead.

4420
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:23,040
>> Uh continue the good work. It's it's

4421
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:27,200
going well. This was good. I move

4422
02:55:27,200 --> 02:55:29,200
>> all right and we are going to so we're

4423
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:31,520
going to wrap up our workshop for today

4424
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:34,399
and follow up next meeting and we're

4425
02:55:34,399 --> 02:55:36,560
going to move on to um we have some

4426
02:55:36,560 --> 02:55:39,200
close sessions. Do I have a

4427
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:40,880
>> just real quick just before we move into

4428
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:42,160
close session just so the commission

4429
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:45,520
knows um last week I was uh voted on as

4430
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:46,800
uh uh the representative for

4431
02:55:46,800 --> 02:55:48,880
southeastern Utah to the Colorado River

4432
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:50,720
Authority Court?

4433
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:51,760
>> Congratulations.

4434
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:54,000
>> Nice.

4435
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:57,439
>> Quick question. Uh are all listed in

4436
02:55:57,439 --> 02:56:00,080
need or

4437
02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:02,399
the close session? Yeah, if there is a

4438
02:56:02,399 --> 02:56:03,920
potential conflict for an individual,

4439
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:05,600
then they would be excused and we would

4440
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:07,359
document that within the close session.

4441
02:56:07,359 --> 02:56:10,880
>> Okay. Uh in that I I move to go into

4442
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:12,800
close session

4443
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:15,600
uh to discuss purchase, exchange, lease

4444
02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:18,479
or sale of real property. Number two to

4445
02:56:18,479 --> 02:56:19,760
discuss the character, professional

4446
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:22,080
competence, physical mental health of an

4447
02:56:22,080 --> 02:56:24,720
individual. Number three, to discuss

4448
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,160
pending a reasonable or imminent

4449
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:27,439
litigation.

4450
02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:29,200
>> Bill seconded that. So, we are

4451
02:56:29,200 --> 02:56:31,120
>> actually I was asking to make comment

4452
02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:33,200
before going in there because we're

4453
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:35,040
making one motion to go into close

4454
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:37,760
session on three different items and I

4455
02:56:37,760 --> 02:56:40,560
know that I asked at least three times

4456
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:43,279
to seize some statute for going into

4457
02:56:43,279 --> 02:56:45,760
close session about another elected

4458
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:47,680
official and I've yet to see a reason

4459
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:50,479
that we would go in and discuss. Now, if

4460
02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:52,479
we're going to vote to go into close

4461
02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:54,399
session on all three of these, I'd like

4462
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:56,399
a little bit of an explanation on why

4463
02:56:56,399 --> 02:56:58,000
we're going to be doing that and some

4464
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:00,240
statutes back it up. And the

4465
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:01,760
commissioner is requesting that this is

4466
02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:04,880
done in a public setting.

4467
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:05,600
>> I can I can

4468
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:07,600
>> I'm asking for statute. That's all. I

4469
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:09,600
just want to know what right we have to

4470
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:11,760
go in and discuss another elected

4471
02:57:11,760 --> 02:57:12,399
official.

4472
02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:15,359
>> The the the statute will identify the

4473
02:57:15,359 --> 02:57:18,080
individual. So I can give that statute

4474
02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:19,520
if that's what the chair the

4475
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:21,760
commissioner is requesting.

4476
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:24,720
If there's statute to support the

4477
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,439
request, even a simple phone call to me

4478
02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:31,200
would have provided that answer.

4479
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:32,720
That's all I'm saying is we're going

4480
02:57:32,720 --> 02:57:35,279
into a close session here. Um I will

4481
02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:36,960
support it. I'll second it and I'll

4482
02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:39,120
support going in. that on public record

4483
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:41,520
here we're going in to discuss an

4484
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:44,240
elected official and no backup or

4485
02:57:44,240 --> 02:57:46,960
statute has been provided to do so. So

4486
02:57:46,960 --> 02:57:50,160
second the motion chair.

4487
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:50,479
>> Okay.

4488
02:57:50,479 --> 02:57:52,000
>> Uh

4489
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:54,240
mine wasn't to go into talking about

4490
02:57:54,240 --> 02:57:57,750
elected.

4491
02:57:57,760 --> 02:57:58,880
» I know that

4492
02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:00,000
>> without naming

4493
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:05,680
>> I know that and this is really why the reason is to to go into close

4494
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:07,120
session. So there's a motion to go in

4495
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:09,840
for more session if there's a basis

4496
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:11,840
within there. That motion hasn't been

4497
02:58:11,840 --> 02:58:15,510
seconded. Sure.

4498
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:18,399
» Okay. All in favor?

4499
02:58:18,399 --> 02:58:20,800
>> All right. Seven. I'm going to go into

4500
02:58:20,800 --> 02:58:24,950
cold sessions.

4501
02:58:24,960 --> 02:58:27,960
Naze.