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>> Hey, can you hear us?

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>> Yeah, I can hear you guys perfectly.

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>> Great. Okay. I'd like to call this

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workshop for the Grand County Commission

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to order at July 7th.

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And today we are going to be talking

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about tax and current finance options

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with Brandy Grace and Sher Durgen from

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Utah Association of Counties. Thank you

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for traveling so far and speaking with

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us in person.

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>> Thank you. Actually, let me call um and

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present we have Jacques online. um Trish

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Haden, Brian Martinez, Mary Mcan, Mike

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McCertie, Bill Winfield, and myself,

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Melody Mandless, as well as county

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attorney administrator.

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» And I think that yes, online is the

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handout. I think that anybody that's

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following along online, there's a

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handout that you can find our packet

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discussing that.

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dive in.

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>> Yeah. Go ahead.

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>> I'll give a little bit of a brief

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overview if you want. I know this came

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about. Um there's been several meetings

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that were had. There's been some

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interest in putting a copper recycling

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plant out at the Crescent Junction area,

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which then drew interest in

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what would be the best way to do that would benefit the county the most

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is where we started getting a little bit

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involved. And then there was some more

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education that came along with the

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boxelder data center and the need for

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some protection around that. And then of

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course you guys had your

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summit day of education or whatever that

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a couple of us traveled up and attended

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so that we could be prepared for some of

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that. So, we're kind of combining all of

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these into a little bit of education for

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the seven commissioners and the public

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on some of the different options we have

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is how we got to today.

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>> All right. And I just want to say I

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think that taking this very thoughtful

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approach is is worthwhile. We've seen

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where in other counties things haven't

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gone quite so well. Um, so I think this

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is a very thoughtful approach at looking

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at what options do exist for youth in

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statute and then making a decision that

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works best for Gran County. Typically

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what we have seen as also what happened

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in Boxelder County. I mean it's the most

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obvious because it was all of the news

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kind of what happened there. But it's

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very typical of a developer um to seek

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tax incremental financing as they're

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starting to think through the potential

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for a development. There's so many other

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things to consider as well, but in order

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to determine the viability of a project,

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they typically look at tax incremental

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financing. And so they get a little

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ahead of themselves and county

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commissioners are left um responding to

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questions that really aren't even in

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your purview. And so that that's typical

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of what we've seen as well, whether it's

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through um the proposal for tax

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increment financing or for a land use

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application for whether it's a solar

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development or a data center or some

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other type of development. Um they

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usually start there and all of a sudden

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you're asked you're being asked

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questions about water and noise and all

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these other things that have a separate

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permitting process. And so I think that

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Gran County um saying, "Hey, let's slow

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about this. It's worthwhile. So, I'm

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happy to be here. Um Sher and I have uh

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spent a lot of time over the past

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several years on tax incremental

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financing projects. Not necessarily was

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it something that UAC had offered as a

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service, but historically

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you would see um a lot of a lot of

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developments happening in incorporated

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areas. So, they were very common from

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municipalities. And then of course you

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know Maida had a military component to

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it. That's why it was created as a state

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authority. Inland was created I think in

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2017 around that time frame for the

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purposes of uh establishing an inland

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port. And the original concept was a an

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inland port in Salt Lake County with

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maybe three or four satellite locations.

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removed from statute and so they

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basically can serve anywhere which has

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some benefits to that as well. Um but

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with the the need for additional energy

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development because of the energy

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shortage that the state has been dealing

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with that was hurting economic

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development we started seeing more and

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more um a lot of solar devel there are

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other types of developments as well but

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a lot of solar developments happening in

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unincorporated areas. So all of a sudden

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counties were dealing with tax

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incremental financing where counties

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really hadn't had much exposure um to

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those requests. The problem that we have

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seen is that when a developer um starts

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going down this path, oftentimes they're

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much more familiar with statute and what

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is available to them than you all are.

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are very familiar with the process. And

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it has kind of put counties at a

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disadvantage in those negotiations.

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said, you know, let us help you navigate

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this. Um you shouldn't be giving up tax

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um property tax revenue unnecessarily.

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value in a financing project of some

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sort. And I I use the example of you

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wouldn't you wouldn't utilize other

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resources or necessarily even have

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access to the funds to put in

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infrastructure in an outlying area of

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your county. But if a development is

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coming in and they're willing to use

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some of that property tax revenue to put

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the infrastructure in that can then that

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can kind of boost other types of

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development. So there's worthwhile

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reasons to give up property tax. Um so

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what um that's kind of just to give the

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history of how we ended up involved and uh the landscape of what has

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happened around tax incremental

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financing over the past decade or so.

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There are legislators that are very

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interested in monitoring what is going

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on. There's a lot of attention now on

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the amount of tax increment that has

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been given up. Is it appropriate? Are

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the appropriate questions being asked?

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Is the right analysis being done to

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determine what's appropriate and what's

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not? Um, and that work will continue.

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outline for you what what does exist,

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what is currently available. As

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Commissioner Winfield mentioned, there

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is talk of a proposed development um,

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the copper recycling plant. And we

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became aware of this in the

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conversations with Commissioner Winfield

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because again, as we've seen happen

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numerous times, the developer had

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already started figuring this out for

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themselves and not necessarily having

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conversations with Grant County. Um,

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which is also similar to what happened

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in Boxelder County where the developer

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already was working with Mid and having

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conversations and those county

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commissioners were hearing rumors but

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not approached. Um, and so we encourage

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all of them as soon as you're aware of a

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development, whether it's Maida or in

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is at least make the county

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commissioners aware that there's a

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proposed project. And from there, we can

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navigate what's best for your community.

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details of our spreadsheet? Okay,

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yeah, this was really just to outline

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Title 17C, which is a community

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reinvestment um agency. You can create a

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project area. Do you all already have a

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CRA for the if you're familiar with

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title 17C and your own ability to create

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Lumpur, um another option. And then

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HB507 of the 2026 legislative session.

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This is newly passed legislation created

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regionally significant development

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zones. This could be used for other

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types of development but it is required

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for any data centers. Um that that is

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the pathway for tax increment on any um

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they define large load user um has to be

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in an RSTC that takes effect in 2027. It

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doesn't mean it couldn't be used right

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now though. But for any data center

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after January 1, 2027 has to be in RSDZ.

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so this just goes through and I and I'll

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take the time. I think we've got time,

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but I can get through this pretty

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quickly and just kind of go through what

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we've tried to do is differentiate

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between each one of them um kind of the

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different statutory

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um guidelines and restrictions and

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flexibility and then also what we kind

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end of it. So um you know the purpose

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logistics and trade focused obviously by

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the name but they have successfully been

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there's not currently a statutory

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limitation on the type of project that

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um created by this we feel like is kind

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of a big deal because then it it kind of

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um indicates the level of local control.

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agency you're in charge of the project

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area you have a lot of hands-on um

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involvement in that Utah and the Port

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Authority they have a board but they

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cannot come into your county and create

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a project area unless you invite them

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in. And in our conversations with Ben

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um he's very aware of some of the

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challenges that have existed um and and

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um public feedback that county elected

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officials are getting about having state

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authorities come in. He's willing to

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address that through additional

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interlocal agreements. So the way that

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they've worked historically is they may

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come in, they're aware of a development,

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but you have to invite them in. You have

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to say we're okay with you creating a

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project area in our county and from

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there they've had some ability to work

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with their board to determine

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appropriate tax increment and would have

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some input with the county. I you know

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there's different perspectives on how

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much input from the various camps there

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has been but we do have a commitment

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from Ben Hart that going forward he will

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be much more mindful of how important it

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is to have local input and would enter

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encourage you to make sure that that

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relationship and agreement between Grand

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County and the Inland Port Authority

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really covers what you need it to so

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that you have the level of local input

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control that you would want and are

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expected to have by the people who voted

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you.

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um RSDC, we had a lot of input into this

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um this legislation and it kind of

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strikes the balance um of what we saw

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why some were using inland port instead

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of a CRA. So a CRA

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which has local control inland um you

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give up some of that but with a CRA

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there are um interlocal agreements that

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have to be negotiated with all taxing

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entities and some of our counties have

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had projects that didn't go forward or

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development that they didn't feel was uh

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they felt like it was a misfortune. And

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I'll use the example of a solar

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development where there's short-term

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construction jobs but not not a lot of

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long-term jobs. And if the school

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district doesn't um agree to the

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proposal, then oftentimes it's it can't

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go forward because they have the biggest

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portion of the tax revenue. And that's

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been disappointing to some county

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officials who have felt like there's not

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really an impact to the school district

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that the school district wouldn't

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approve an agreement but the project

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didn't bring kids and so um within port

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those interlocal agreements are not

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required um

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so why did the school district not if

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they did wasn't taking any of their

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taxes why do they object I got confused

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there for a They didn't want to give up

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um they didn't want to participate in

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the project and give up tax revenue. The

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county felt like that was

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>> that's where I got confused. So you

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>> the county felt like that was

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>> you give up tax revenue as well as tax

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revenue with the CRAAS,

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>> right? Yeah.

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>> Thank you for the clarification.

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>> So the RSDZ kind of strikes the balance

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where the county would be the creating

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entity and you would hold a public

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hearing. You have to notify the school

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district and any other taxing entity in

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your county. You have to notify them if

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you hold a public hearing, but it's your

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proposal that you put together and you

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take to um a new board that's been

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created that will be overseas by go. And

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so it's kind of the balance of the two

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taking um what some perceive to be the

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real benefits of of title 17C and some

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of the flexibility that exists in the in

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the for statute and then created RSDZ.

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That's right.

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Um those are kind of significant things.

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Another another um real distinction is

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on the maximum property tax increment

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with the CRA. There's no maximum. You

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can give up to 100% of tax increment. I

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know of a project where that happened at

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this [laughter] mistake. So, you know,

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but again, again, it's really making

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sure that you're thoughtful and that the

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tax increment that is granted to the

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developer is appropriate, whatever that

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number is. Um, and Leaport has a

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statutory limitation of 75%

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um of their 75% they also receive 5% of

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an advent fee that the inland authority

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gets for administering the projects. Um,

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and then on the new RSDZ's 60% up to 60%

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real property and up to 100% of personal

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property. That's the maximum that can be

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granted through tax incremental

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financing for each one of those types of

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project areas.

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Um,

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sales tax increment. Um, again with

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title 17c

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um fully negotiable, a lot more

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flexibility there. um in Leaport has a

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statutory allocation of 20% within the

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project area and then um not included as

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part of an RSDZ

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and then we outline typical term 20 25

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years but um and Leaport does have a

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reauthorization option theirs for an

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additional 15 years. So these are these

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are just typical terms of an initial

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project area and you know 20 25 years

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down the road it's possible that some of

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them would be renewed and I think a lot

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of that has to do with new development

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that may happen in the project area.

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Um set aides this is this is going to

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become really interesting because I'm

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aware of some legislative intent of what

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they would like to see happen. So,

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currently on a CRA, there's a there's a

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requirement to take 10% of the project

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area funds as a set aside for affordable

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housing. And the CRA board, I mean,

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there's some statutory guidance of what

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affordable housing is and what you can

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use that money for, but um you do have

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to take 10% specifically for affordable

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housing. in Emery County right now

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they're starting to see because those

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solar projects in Emery County have

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triggered they're starting to see um

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some revenue coming in now that 10%

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housing set aside. We are in the process

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right now of helping them develop a

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housing plan that basically includes a

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down payment assistance for first-time

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home buyers, um home renovation for, you

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know, certain qualifying criteria, but

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they also didn't want to see their

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existing housing stock um not be taken

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advantage of where there's some

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opportunity there. And so that's been

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really rewarding now to have worked on

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their solar projects with them for so

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long to see the revenue start to come in

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and now helping them figure out how to

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deploy those dollars for their

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community, especially at a time where

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there's been uh a little bit of

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criticism of the public, you know, from

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the public officials. When I say this,

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I'm talking in generalities. I'm not

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saying everyone hates solar or whatever,

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but the the commissioners have taken on

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some criticism and so it's really

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rewarding to be able to help them take

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the money that did come in and put that

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back into the community [clears throat]

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for community good and other. So, we're

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really enjoying spending time with them

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on that. Um, in Leaport, there's no uh statutory um set aside.

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And then on the new RSDZ's um up to 10%

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for public infrastructure.

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Now, that wasn't really well defined and

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we talked a lot about that during the

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legislative session of what that money

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might be used for. I will tell you

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there's an interest from some

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legislators

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as they see these big projects um and

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I'll just say data centers because

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they're they're like they're

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multi-billion dollar projects when they

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go into one county um some legislators

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don't necessarily feel like that's

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because of that county or the benefit to

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that county is um relates to the

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[clears throat] population of that

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county or different um uh demographics.

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So what they're looking for is if we

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have billion-dollar investments going in

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anywhere in the state, is there a way

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that the entire state can benefit from

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that? And so they are considering some

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of them. There are conversations about

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taking some of that set aside

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um from RSDZs and potentially something

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else will pop up as we work through

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interim and go into the 2027 legislative

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session. But there is some talk about

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pulling some of that money from property

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tax and putting it into income tax to

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reduce state income tax for all Utah. So

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I know I defend property tax all day

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every day. Thank

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I get it. I'm like, especially from a

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county perspective, right? Because

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school districts have the um statewide

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um the basic school levy. Municipalities

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get more sales tax like, you know, I

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mean, all taxing entities have revenue

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in order to take care of their

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obligations. And I get that, but

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counties primarily operate on property

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tax. So, we don't have some of the

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revenue streams that others do. one. So

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I get get really protective of that.

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However, in um HB507 along the lines of

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uh that conversation, we were successful

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in um getting a municipal energy tax

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that counties can now impose. So

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historically, municipal en energy tax

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was only for municipalities. HB507

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authorizes a county by ordinance to

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impose up to a 6% energy tax. Um so

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think of the data centers and that

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energy tax would be applied to the end

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user. You do need to adopt an ordinance

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in order to make it effective. But just

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think of you know energy users in um

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unincorporated areas and the revenue

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stream that that could bring in. So

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something to consider.

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we [clears throat] have kind of

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outlined, you know, best use as we see

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it. Um kind of the original intent of

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what they were, but like I said, so so

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much of that limitation has been removed

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and um really any of the the pathways to

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tax increment can be considered. Um and

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then I've kind of already covered this,

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the county advantage being local

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control, your ability to negotiate

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there. One of the advantages with um in

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Leaport is they do this over and over

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again. They're they have quite a a

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routine process in place for those

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negotiations and what they authorize and

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like I said with the strengthened um

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agreement between the county and inland

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that's a possibility. Um and then RSDZ's

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I think this was Representative Robert's

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bill um floor sponsor with Senator

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Colar. I think they're really excited.

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There's not been one yet. There's a

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proposed RSDC in Tula County and one in

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Juwab County, but I think that they're

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looking at this as like will kind of

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solve some problems with others and are

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very um excited about what what

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potential that has.

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Um, I've kind of already covered some

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things, but uh that are on the pros and

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cons, but also from a developer

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perspective,

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in my experience, most developers

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are talking to lobbyists and then the

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lobbyists are the ones that are like,

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"Oh, we'll just go here or we'll just go

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do this and we can, you know, negotiate

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this for you." So again, I I'm really

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pleased that Grant County became aware

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of this and kind of pumped the brakes

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for a minute and said, "Let us figure

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out for ourselves because you're also

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mindful of developers in your

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community." I know you're mindful of the

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business sector and what's best for your

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community. So it's not to say that we

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don't want a state authority in our

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business. We want to handle this

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ourselves, but you should be thoughtful

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about the different pathways, what's

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best for your citizens and also

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potential development coming into your

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town. So,

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um

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I miss anything.

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» Thank you for all that.

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>> It's a bit taxing is

544
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>> I know when we

545
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,840
already feel like I have a better

546
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,360
understanding. So, thank you. I kind of

547
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,799
laugh that there's probably only a

548
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,240
handful of people that really understand

549
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520
taxing financing and how it works. But

550
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,200
>> I know when we tried to do it before it

551
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,080
was school district that all the other

552
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360
taxing entities agreed to. We wanted to

553
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,120
do some development around USU.

554
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:15,440
So,

555
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,960
>> so you've had an experience like the

556
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000
example I described to meetings and

557
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,360
visited with the differentities and you

558
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:23,760
know,

559
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080
>> you know, it was unfortunate. Um, I was

560
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,919
aware that there had been a development

561
00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:30,400
that happened in Salt Lake County and

562
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,240
one of the school districts up there

563
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,760
because they felt burned had adopted a

564
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,360
policy that just said we will not

565
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,919
participate in tax and calling and a lot

566
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:41,679
of the school districts became aware of

567
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:45,440
that and they started um they started

568
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,360
just adopting it because of that one

569
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,320
experience. Well, what they missed is

570
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,120
that with energy projects or data

571
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,280
centers and even some of your industry

572
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,600
type projects, the majority of the value

573
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,880
is personal property. And unless you put

574
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,960
it in a project area, you don't capture

575
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,919
that new growth. And so it's like they

576
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:08,640
did a blanket policy based on an example

577
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,360
that really then hurt school districts

578
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,880
in other areas where they would have

579
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,039
been able to generate more revenue had

580
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,559
they been willing to participate in a

581
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,840
project area. I spent I don't know

582
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,880
better part of two years going as these

583
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,640
projects would come up going to school

584
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,440
boards on at the request of counties

585
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,679
trying to help educate them of why that

586
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:31,360
project was different than this proposed

587
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,240
project and the way that property tax is

588
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,080
calculated the way the tax rate is set

589
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,240
and how you generate new revenue and so

590
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,919
it was really unfortunate but that theme

591
00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,080
kind of went around the state based on

592
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,799
one experience in Salt Lake County. I

593
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,080
don't think our district said that

594
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,799
to my knowledge.

595
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,200
>> I have a couple of questions on the

596
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,919
inland port. Um, and some of that came

597
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:58,159
from not getting enough clarity maybe

598
00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:00,000
out of the summit that we attended.

599
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,320
>> Oh, yeah. But there was mention that

600
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,440
somebody used an interlocal agreement

601
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,919
with the inland court and I was

602
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:11,039
wondering if that is the case. Would it

603
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,840
be possible to get a copy of that

604
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,480
documents?

605
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,279
>> I have once.

606
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:15,840
>> Oh, you do?

607
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,200
>> Yep. I'm happy to share it with you.

608
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,679
Following um these conversations, you

609
00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:22,320
know, that I've had with director Ben

610
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,200
Hart, he has shared with me um an

611
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,200
agreement that they had with Beaver

612
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,760
County. They also have a project area in

613
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,919
Amry County where there's some the

614
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:33,520
counties expressed some concerns because

615
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,279
an area where they had been providing

616
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,600
input is now proposed annex they sent

617
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,880
into rangeville I think it is. So the

618
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,960
counties expressed concern and so in

619
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,440
response to that and lumpur has shared a

620
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,520
proposed interlocal. So I really think

621
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,919
that you know if there's any good that

622
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:52,000
can come from know the situation that

623
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,679
happened in Boxelder it's that the state

624
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,000
authorities are much more mindful of the

625
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,200
role of local government and I would

626
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,320
encourage you to be mindful of that if

627
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,840
you were to choose to go down the path

628
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960
of a state authority I would I would

629
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,799
make sure that there's an interlocal

630
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,880
agreement or something in place that

631
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
covers all of the things that you would

632
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,919
want it to such as you know your input

633
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:21,360
in the the um the tiff structure, how

634
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,720
much is the developer getting, what's

635
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,880
being required, what you know, what

636
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880
involvement do you want to have? And I

637
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,200
would really emphasize that because I've

638
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,799
told them this, they they charge 5%

639
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,039
admin fee because they're administering

640
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,840
the project area. That doesn't mean that

641
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,679
your county auditor and your county

642
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:41,840
treasurer and your county assessor don't

643
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,840
still have responsibilities related to

644
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,240
these project areas that they then still

645
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,120
have to figure out the parcels and what

646
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,159
the value is, what portion is, is going

647
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:55,039
through um through the the tax

648
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,080
structure. And so he has even suggested

649
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,919
a willingness to share some of that

650
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:02,480
admin fee with the county where the

651
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,039
project um is located and has even

652
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,559
offered to support UAT because of the

653
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,039
help that we are also giving to UAC

654
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,679
because I I I think I've made a pretty

655
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:13,600
compelling argument that the admin fee

656
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,279
that's authorized in statute is for

657
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,880
admin and there are administrative costs

658
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,799
or administrative burdens that others

659
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,039
have that with no revenue coming in to

660
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,799
satisfy that. Some of the counties have

661
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,200
needed um to use some of those fees to

662
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600
then hire their own consultants or

663
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,679
additional attorney resources to help

664
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,240
navigate a tiff, you know, structure

665
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,720
with the developer or renegotiate a

666
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,000
participation agreement with the

667
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,600
developer. That's the purpose of the

668
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,600
statutoily authorized admin fee. So, um

669
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,960
take advantage just know that you're able to collect some revenue to

670
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,959
help you through the nuances of this

671
00:27:48,959 --> 00:27:49,360
[clears throat]

672
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,520
>> and that's if you're using the inlet

673
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,760
port. So, in a CRA, you can also charge

674
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,320
an admin fee. Um, in Lumpur, it's 5%

675
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,640
just statutoily. We're just telling them

676
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,399
that through an interlocal agreement

677
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,159
with the county, they should be willing

678
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:10,640
to share some of that admin fee. Um,

679
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
they they do take on the bulk of the

680
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,640
work with, you know, the negotiations

681
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,679
with the developer and um going to their

682
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,600
board and figuring out, you know, what

683
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,919
should the incentive be? what is the bug

684
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,919
for analysis that should be done each

685
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,720
time you authorize tax increment. Um so

686
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,240
they can handle a lot of that but it

687
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,760
doesn't totally eliminate the county's

688
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,919
responsibilities. So um the other thing

689
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,960
I would mention that uh we have done in

690
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,120
other counties where there has been a

691
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,240
CRA if a developer has come in and

692
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,159
proposed a CRA we've helped them

693
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,640
negotiate um a cost reimbursement

694
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880
agreement. It's a different CRA only

695
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,679
pays for a CRA, but a cost reimbursement

696
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:53,279
agreement where essentially the

697
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,480
developer pays the county upfront for

698
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,120
the costs of hiring a consultant and in

699
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,760
some cases they've hired us at UWAC to

700
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,679
consult and negotiate with the developer

701
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:06,480
on the county's behalf. And then once

702
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,720
the project triggers and they're then

703
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,880
collecting that admin fee from the tax

704
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,960
increment, the developer then gets

705
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,559
credit for what they fronted the cost

706
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,799
of. So, we've we've done some things to

707
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,159
try and lessen the burden on the

708
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,799
counties even at the onset of these

709
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,480
conversations and negotiations because

710
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,880
you won't see any benefit from the

711
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,399
project until there's actually

712
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:27,760
development that you're collecting

713
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,799
property tax on.

714
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,559
>> One one other question that wasn't

715
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,240
cleared up for me and most of the

716
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320
questions I have are around the Finland

717
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
port because of the extreme amount of

718
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,200
negative press that they've been

719
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,559
getting. But the question I have is when

720
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,840
you invite them into your county, are

721
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720
you giving control of the entire county

722
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,799
they can utilize anywhere or are you

723
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,960
able to say, "Okay, you can have this

724
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520
spot right here." I mean, for lack of a

725
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,640
better word.

726
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
>> Yeah. So, they um they define a project

727
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,640
area and it's parcel specific. And I

728
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,240
would I would be really careful with

729
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720
this because what what has happened they

730
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,159
have to author that you have to

731
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,320
authorize it. But when you invite them

732
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,399
in and they say, "Here's the proposed

733
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,039
project area and here's the parcels

734
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,240
associated with that, then it's it's

735
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,480
limited to that area." However, we have

736
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
seen in other counties where then

737
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640
there's another development and within

738
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,679
the same project area, they're adding

739
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:32,960
parcels that aren't even um contiguous

740
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,240
to a specific area. They they have the

741
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,720
ability to do that. It's going to be a

742
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720
little bit tricky. We're trying to, you

743
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,159
know, I think that there's probably an

744
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:43,520
expectation from the development

745
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,600
community and from some in the

746
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,039
legislature to have that level of

747
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,880
flexibility. It does become pretty

748
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,840
complex for your property tax um your

749
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440
elected officials involved in property

750
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,720
tax administration just the way that you

751
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
set up nomenclature for areas of your

752
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,600
county that are subject to different tax

753
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:09,840
rates. And so having an area like even your city boundaries are you know a

754
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,760
contiguous area and so to have project

755
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640
areas where it's not contiguous it we're

756
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,159
trying to figure out how to help you

757
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:17,840
know with the software end of that to

758
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,000
make it a little more user friendly but

759
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,360
it does become a little tricky and they

760
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,760
can also trigger by parcel. It's not

761
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,640
>> excuse me.

762
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
>> So where um you have a project area

763
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,200
let's say there's 10 different parcels

764
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,120
in that project area and they trigger

765
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,600
meaning that all right starting like the

766
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,279
year that they trigger the following

767
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,399
year is when they're going to start

768
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:45,039
capturing tax increment. They can

769
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,159
trigger by parcel not the entire project

770
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:50,799
area. So someone has to manage within

771
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,559
that project area the parcels that have

772
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,559
triggered at which time and they could

773
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,240
be there's you know there's no

774
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,120
limitation for the variation of time

775
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,559
span that that could have statute allows

776
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,640
them up to 25 years to trigger. So you

777
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,640
could have one that triggered now and

778
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,559
then 25 years later you have another one

779
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,960
that triggers and it goes on for years.

780
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
>> Are they looking at remedying that?

781
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,679
>> I think they're looking to make it more

782
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:21,909
flexible than that.

783
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:22,720
first.

784
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
>> I'm good. Wait, Trish first.

785
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,679
>> Okay. Um just just um I'm kind of

786
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:31,600
sitting here looking at you like with a

787
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,399
blank stare because

788
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:37,200
I I think some of us, not all of us,

789
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,679
have a fairly large knowledge gap, not

790
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,640
as to these programs per se, but where

791
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
this came from. So, I'm just asking that

792
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,360
and I think this has been in the works

793
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
for a while because you know, Bill, on

794
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,760
your social media, you mentioned that

795
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,000
like April 1 and and I know that you

796
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,440
guys have been going to some meetings

797
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,919
regarding it. So, what I would love is

798
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,200
if we had a workshop on it to discuss

799
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,960
kind of where you guys are going, give

800
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760
us some foundations like where this came

801
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
from, right? What's the thought

802
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,880
processes, where it's going, so we have

803
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,159
some understanding because I kind of I I

804
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,080
know you're gonna find this quite crazy.

805
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Can you please not do that, Bill?

806
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Please.

807
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,840
>> What am I doing?

808
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,640
>> Please just stop.

809
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,640
You're gonna find this a little

810
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,240
>> We're not doing anything, Trish. We're

811
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,679
listening to you. We want to hear what

812
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:30,720
you have to say.

813
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,240
>> Please

814
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,559
try not to. I know it's difficult to be

815
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,399
civil, but please Thank you. So, I'm I'm

816
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,480
into it. I think a recycling center is a

817
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360
great idea. We have a very linear

818
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,480
society economy and it's a bad thing. We

819
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200
consume a ton and it usually goes to

820
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,000
waste. And so I love this idea,

821
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960
but I feel a little like left out like

822
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,720
there's this gap and all of a sudden

823
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,159
we're jumping to this without

824
00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,320
understanding this. So it'd be great to

825
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,480
kind of back up. And I'm not saying

826
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,440
today. I'm saying in the future, give us

827
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,760
some kind of foundation as to where this

828
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,240
came from, what the thought process is,

829
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,480
what we might be getting, what we might

830
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,200
be giving to do something like this. If

831
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,079
that makes some sense, just just a

832
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,919
comment. And then that way I think we'd

833
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,560
feel a little bit more engaged. I feel

834
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,399
right now like I'm learning about

835
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:25,919
something like what are we learning

836
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:27,839
about? I don't know about the copper

837
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,079
recycling center. This is, like I said,

838
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,079
I've heard little tiny inklings. A Moab

839
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,919
legislator told me a little bit more,

840
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:37,839
but you know, I've heard nothing from

841
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:38,639
the county. So,

842
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,399
>> I think it it's not just for the copper

843
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,639
recycling. There's lots of other um I

844
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,000
mean, obviously, our county already

845
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,879
created a CRA for a reason or CR

846
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,800
whatever it is along, you know, Mary's

847
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,159
familiar with it. So, it's not like this

848
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,800
is something new. And uh you know we

849
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,040
were I think we were all invited out to

850
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,359
Lisbon you know Mariana Minerals when

851
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:59,440
they were their information they talked

852
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,920
about it there so it's not you know so I

853
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,760
think you show up to the meetings then

854
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,079
>> Lisbon's in San County and I I am

855
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,680
perfectly aware of that and I couldn't

856
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,839
go because I teach during the day but

857
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,880
this I just came to you know ga gathered

858
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,240
some local knowledge that this would be

859
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,599
in our county and that's all I'm saying

860
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:15,920
is

861
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400
>> but it applies best to giving us some

862
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,599
background so that we're all like a you

863
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,520
know these these components and these

864
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,240
steps right I mean again I'm together

865
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,720
Trish go ahead Mike

866
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,480
>> bring it back down here

867
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,520
>> uh thank you

868
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,280
>> set aside requirement thank you thank

869
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
you for explaining that uh I would uh

870
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,560
being part of revenue and taxation

871
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,160
underneath UAC

872
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,359
>> uh I would like some information on the

873
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:45,760
regionally significant development zone

874
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,560
if you see some legislation coming out

875
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,720
uh I I would really like to know um just

876
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,720
to see what it that money could be set

877
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,680
aside for. Uh I love your uh story of

878
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Emer County uh being set uh the solar

879
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,240
fields being directly put to housing.

880
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,400
That that's that's great. And most of

881
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,440
our community won't it's not a direct

882
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,640
throughput. Uh you can't see it in short

883
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040
timelines. Uh so it would be clear to

884
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,320
line out of what we're uh if money was

885
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,160
set aside on a project where it was

886
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
going uh and what we're putting to but

887
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
I'd like to know that within that

888
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480
revenue and taxation if if changes are

889
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,359
being made please tell me by would love

890
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,480
to come up and during open session like

891
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,680
always

892
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,160
>> uh but I like to know so thank you on

893
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,160
both sides uh for the information today

894
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,800
and for revenue and taxation side of

895
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,599
UAC.

896
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,839
>> Thanks for participating. I think Brian

897
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:45,760
had a comment and then Mary. Thank you.

898
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,839
>> Yeah. So, u um I think I'll just start

899
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:49,440
by addressing Trish's comments that she

900
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,599
had there. Um there's there's no reason

901
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,280
that we shouldn't use the 30 minutes

902
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,359
that we have right now, I think, to kind

903
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,040
of catch up to see where we are on this

904
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,160
project. There's nothing that's being

905
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,920
hidden. There's nothing that's that's

906
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,160
been happening behind closed doors.

907
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,520
>> I would disagree with that statement,

908
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,320
but go ahead.

909
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,000
>> I was respectful when you when you

910
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
spoke. if you would please offer me the

911
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
same privacy. I I would appreciate that.

912
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
>> Thank you very much in the audience. Um

913
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,520
so yeah, the the conversation started at

914
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,160
the opening of the Mariana Mons when it happened. Um I think that was in

915
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,960
April. The what what had happened over

916
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
there, this is just my understanding, is

917
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,079
they have uh um been purchased and they

918
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,040
were doing some some new studies on how

919
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,760
to be more efficient in their mining. So

920
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,079
they were uh um they brought in you know

921
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,720
like AI vehicles they're you know um

922
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,720
trying to have more efficient mining

923
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,359
processes as they're um out there mining

924
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:48,960
for the copper. One of the things that

925
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
they found out is that in that process

926
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,079
there's a great opportunity to recycle

927
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,800
copper at the same time. So we you know

928
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,359
that we and as the copper comes in there

929
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:02,480
they're like that's a that's a great

930
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,400
opportunity to recycle copper. Um the

931
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,320
idea is how do you get the copper in,

932
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,240
how do you get the copper out, right,

933
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,880
for a project like this. Um there were

934
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,200
conversations that were had outside of

935
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,480
this commission um between uh San Juan

936
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,760
County inland and Mariana Mont. We found

937
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,440
out about these conversations. We said,

938
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,599
"Hey, hold on. Let's pump the brakes.

939
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,440
Let's figure out what's going on. Let's

940
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,440
see if what's best for our our our

941
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,040
county right here. And let's make sure

942
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,800
that if this is coming into our county,

943
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,720
it doesn't have to come into our county,

944
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,320
right? I mean, it could just as easily

945
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,960
go into Emory County, right? Is this

946
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640
something that we want to see coming

947
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,560
into Grant County? Is this is this a

948
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,400
project right here that that makes

949
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,839
sense? Um the idea is is that copper

950
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:51,119
would come in on the rail, right? be

951
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,599
able to be offloaded strict at that

952
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,079
little uh um right there at this little

953
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,800
uh uh um call it a what did you call it

954
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,359
a community investment zone or you know

955
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:02,480
>> that's what we call

956
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,720
>> yeah CRA or just just an opportunity

957
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,119
zone right so we could have spot where

958
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,520
the hopper is unloaded it is stripped

959
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,280
right we might be able to take advantage

960
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,920
of the uh uh the landfill on the plastic

961
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,920
that kind of comes out however that's

962
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,359
figured out and then it would be then

963
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:20,560
trucked spot down to Mariana in San Juan

964
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,720
County for the recycle, right? And then

965
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,480
it would be trucked back up to the spot.

966
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,400
The reason that we're looking at a

967
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,079
couple of these different options right

968
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,520
here is is is what fits best, I think,

969
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,400
both for the county and what also is

970
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,560
going to fit best for the tenant. Um

971
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,280
because there is no there is no um there

972
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,920
is no economic development. There are no

973
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,680
future taxes if there's not a tenant.

974
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,359
there's not someone that's going to be

975
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:51,599
ultimately interested in providing

976
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,920
something in that area. So, what we're

977
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,839
looking for is this something a that

978
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:57,599
Grand County residents would find that

979
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,920
they want to see inside of our county.

980
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,800
Um I I agree. I personally think that

981
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,280
copper recycling is a great thing. Um

982
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,119
it's one of those weird things that I've

983
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,800
studied, you know, prior actually.

984
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,000
um or the world of copper, we take all

985
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,079
of our copper recycling and we send it

986
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:21,520
on ship out to China. And the reason is because those ships basically head

987
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
out there empty. So this this provides

988
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,320
bow weight, you know, ships going out

989
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,640
there in those contracts um between US

990
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,599
suppliers and China. They actually have

991
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,599
that if you leave the market, if you

992
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:36,640
decide that you're going to try

993
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,480
something different, you will never be

994
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880
allowed in the market again. And so

995
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,800
these restrictions have made it to where

996
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,079
people are are are they're they're very worried about leaving the

997
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,480
uh uh the Chinese market as far as the

998
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,560
recycling goes. Now that's the supplier.

999
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,960
Now the buyers of copper, they go ahead

1000
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440
and they pay those higher prices, right?

1001
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Because they then have to pay for that that um that copper to be shipped

1002
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,359
back to the United States. They're two

1003
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:05,280
different entities most of the times. At

1004
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,400
least that's just kind of my

1005
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,040
understanding of how this all works. Um,

1006
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,520
this is one of the first times that I've

1007
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,880
heard that we actually have a really

1008
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,800
good opportunity of having copper

1009
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,359
recycling with a solid hold on it here

1010
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,839
in the United States. So, it is a it's a

1011
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,400
very very unique uh opportunity that we

1012
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,240
have here. I think that it would be

1013
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,680
great for our community. Um, copper is a

1014
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,280
huge a huge component of renewable

1015
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,440
energies, right? I mean, we don't have

1016
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,680
any wind here. We don't have any solar

1017
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,079
here. Um, but you know, we could we

1018
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,560
could uh uh join the renewable energy

1019
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,400
with copper. So, these are some of the

1020
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,319
things that I'd like to see in it and

1021
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:45,920
you know, I really thank you for coming

1022
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,760
out here and kind of explaining some of

1023
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,480
these tools that might be used to

1024
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,280
further a project like this. Um, we're

1025
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,040
just at the beginning stages of all

1026
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200
this. Um, I would hope that Mariana

1027
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,520
would come on in here and explain much

1028
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,359
better than I have exactly what they're

1029
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,119
doing and what they would like to see.

1030
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,839
Um, but I think that before we even have

1031
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,440
those conversations, I think that we

1032
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,000
need to understand as a commission kind

1033
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,920
of what we would like to see and what we

1034
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,680
would be willing to do, [clears throat]

1035
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,480
right, if we were interested in this

1036
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
type of economic development.

1037
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,440
>> Thank you, Mary. You're next. I'm going

1038
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680
back to the CRA.

1039
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,359
Uh I I've

1040
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:29,040
looking through my memory and if I

1041
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,599
remember right, one of the things that

1042
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,560
some of the districts got very excited

1043
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,359
about when they were willing to join in

1044
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:41,520
doing the CRA was that I'm trying to

1045
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,040
remember how it works and this is what I

1046
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,000
need your help with is

1047
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,200
they would be giving up that tax for a

1048
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,079
period of time but the tax is manable

1049
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,839
usually because there's not any

1050
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:55,680
development or anything really going on

1051
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,040
in that area. And then once the project

1052
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,640
or whatever the CRA was developed for

1053
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,520
happens, then

1054
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,880
usually it pan it pencils out, but they

1055
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,599
end up getting more taxes kind of like I

1056
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,160
called it a balloon payment

1057
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,280
when once the taxes

1058
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,839
started to be regenerated for those

1059
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,720
districts. Am I remembering that

1060
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,119
correctly? Yeah, that's that's a pretty

1061
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,280
good summary. You're taking an area that

1062
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,839
hasn't had a lot of economic oper or

1063
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,760
economic activity and you're

1064
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,520
incentivizing it through the use of

1065
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,520
property tax. And so an argument can be

1066
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,280
made that you have an area where you're

1067
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,240
not generating much tax at all. A lot of

1068
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,640
the energy development around state are

1069
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,599
on property that's in green belt and not

1070
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,119
generating a lot of property tax

1071
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:50,640
revenue. And then you have that

1072
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,240
development happen. Even though you're

1073
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,640
giving up a portion of it to the

1074
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,280
developer, in the in the end you end up

1075
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,800
getting more tax than you otherwise

1076
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,119
would have if it had gone undeveloped.

1077
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,359
>> And then they get Okay, I want to make

1078
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:05,839
sure I understand this. So the developer

1079
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:08,400
gets the tax

1080
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,160
or the [clears throat] period of time

1081
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,839
before the CRA comes to fruition or when

1082
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:18,720
or do they continue getting the tax

1083
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,680
after the development is completed.

1084
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,280
>> It's subject to a participation

1085
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,640
agreement. So that's part of the

1086
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,400
negotiation. You'll negotiate a

1087
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,920
participation agreement with the

1088
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,839
developer that will outline how much

1089
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:32,560
they're getting for how many years, what

1090
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,440
their obligations are. All that's

1091
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,240
negotiable. And that's helpful because I

1092
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:42,400
was really not remembering that

1093
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,920
part of when we were working really hard

1094
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,520
to get this done quite a few years ago.

1095
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,960
>> Yeah. the um where this all started was

1096
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,240
after the meeting when the Mariana Mine

1097
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:59,839
opened up down there. And I just want to

1098
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,319
clarify for Trish that the conspiracy

1099
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,480
theories that everybody's pushing around

1100
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
here and try and get some of that out

1101
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,880
here. But it was made clear that

1102
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,200
conversations were going on about Grand

1103
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,440
County without Grand County being

1104
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,040
involved. And we all received an invite,

1105
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,200
all of the commission did, to a meeting

1106
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,760
in Lasal, I believe it was. I'm not sure

1107
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,480
why you didn't go. I didn't go because I

1108
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,800
didn't want to go. I made it clear. I

1109
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,480
made a phone call to the mine and said,

1110
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,640
"Why is there a meeting about Grand

1111
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,280
County happening in San Juan County?"

1112
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,079
And so I didn't attend because I didn't

1113
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,079
want to go to a meeting down there about

1114
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,640
Grand County. But after hearing that

1115
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,640
there were rumors out there, I contacted

1116
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,599
Brandy and requested some information

1117
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,079
which we have received today. And then I

1118
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,880
attended the summit that they had up

1119
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,560
there because not only did the rumor

1120
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,119
about a copper recycling then started

1121
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,640
with everything that was going on in

1122
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,079
Boxelder County that also left the

1123
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,000
suspicion of I wonder what's going on

1124
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,720
around data centers in Grand County and

1125
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,800
hence the reason that we have Mr.

1126
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Jackson was something on our agenda

1127
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,240
today to put a moratorum on data centers

1128
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,200
until the county can get a better grip

1129
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,319
on what we want if we want them at all

1130
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:24,319
which I'm not saying that I do but by

1131
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:27,280
putting a moratorum in place we blocked

1132
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,200
something from happening in the future.

1133
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Now that that's the the story of how we

1134
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
got to where we are here today. The

1135
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,119
other side of this that maybe you know

1136
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,520
Brian didn't delve into as deep and that

1137
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,599
I know that I've talked to Mary about at

1138
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,000
length is there is a huge part of this

1139
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,440
copper recycling that would benefit the

1140
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,960
landfill

1141
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,839
and the process as my understanding is

1142
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:56,560
electrolysis separates the copper from

1143
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,160
the plastic sheathing that's on it and

1144
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,000
there's all this plastic that's left

1145
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
over that would then be transported to

1146
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,280
our landfill, which would have a huge

1147
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,440
benefit to the taxpayers in this

1148
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,839
community

1149
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:14,560
because that helps subsidize the costs

1150
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,599
considering that our county subsidizes

1151
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:21,359
already the solid waste district. So,

1152
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:23,920
there's a benefit to the county

1153
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,079
regarding the waste side of it. And the

1154
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,760
other side of it that has an interest

1155
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,839
for me also is that the copper

1156
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:31,440
recycling,

1157
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,760
the only water that gets used is for

1158
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,400
sanitation needs of the employees at the

1159
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,480
plant. There's no water involved in it.

1160
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,040
So to me, it seemed like somewhat of a

1161
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,680
win-win situation for the county if we

1162
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,720
could get control and decide which

1163
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,680
taxing increments that we wanted to

1164
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,240
utilize, if at all. why that there were

1165
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,800
some benefits to being ahead of this

1166
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,599
rather than behind it. So

1167
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,720
>> Mike and then Trish then you Mary

1168
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,760
>> two quick things I threw around like

1169
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,240
everyone knows the acronym uh UAC is

1170
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:07,839
Utah Association of Counties which we

1171
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,880
are a part of. Thank you guys uh again

1172
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,560
uh and thank you again for explaining

1173
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,760
tax incremental financing tools uh the

1174
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,359
different tools uh that are we have an

1175
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,520
ability to use uh because this project

1176
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,960
that we've been talking about back and

1177
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,079
forth uh will thank you Brian for your

1178
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:27,200
explanation. Thank you Bill for your

1179
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,200
explanation. It'll bring jobs that are

1180
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,280
not tourism related to Grant County.

1181
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,440
That that's the best of our work guys.

1182
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,760
Great jobs to Grant County for more of

1183
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,240
our residents. I I know it has a

1184
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,319
recycling part. I know it has low water

1185
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,640
usage. Great. But it'll bring jobs to

1186
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Grant County and that's where I see the

1187
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,319
benefit.

1188
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,559
>> Trish. Um just really quick on the

1189
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,680
water, the actual recycling, the the bit

1190
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,920
of research I did uses about 3,700

1191
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,800
gallons per ton in the recycling

1192
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,240
process. Now, it doesn't sound like

1193
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,760
that's what we would be doing. It sounds

1194
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,480
like Mariana would be doing that. But I do want to state that that it does use

1195
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,359
water. Um,

1196
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,800
but I I like where this is going. I like

1197
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,400
that we have a little bit of knowledge

1198
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,640
and I'm just asking that we stay a prize

1199
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,480
and if we have Mariana come, whatever

1200
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,040
might be the case, I would love that. I

1201
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,440
think the more the open we are not only

1202
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,359
with fellow commissioners but with the

1203
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,880
community, the more they're going to be

1204
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,119
on board, right? And and just getting

1205
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,359
that knowledge out. That's why that's

1206
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:31,920
where push back comes from is just

1207
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,920
feeling left out, right? or feeling

1208
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,079
uneducated. And so I think the more that

1209
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,920
if we're moving in this direction, if we

1210
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,760
can have them come and give a

1211
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,400
description of where they're going, the

1212
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,440
better.

1213
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,079
>> Can I can I comment on that? I Yeah, I

1214
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,240
do think that's the reason for this

1215
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,720
visit today and exactly what we've

1216
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,720
encouraged the developer because I don't

1217
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,079
know if there were other conversations

1218
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,720
going on. I know the conversation I had

1219
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,960
was the developer had already made

1220
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,280
mention of this proposed project to the

1221
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,280
mining association. The mining

1222
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,280
association had already gone to inland

1223
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,839
port. That is a repeat of what we saw

1224
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:09,599
happen in Boxelder. The developer went

1225
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,000
to Maida. Maida started negotiating the

1226
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,599
terms of an agreement before they ever

1227
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,200
even went to Boxelder County Commission.

1228
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
>> And when I became aware of this and it

1229
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,880
was a call from Commissioner, he's like,

1230
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,480
"We're hearing rumors. I don't know a

1231
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,240
lot of the details, but it sounds like

1232
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,839
they're already talking to the court." I

1233
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:30,800
said, "We've seen this happen. Let's get pause things." And so I think

1234
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,640
that's the reason of being here today is

1235
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,319
to provide you education. And I don't I

1236
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:38,880
don't know if the mining association is

1237
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,040
continuing to have conversations, but I

1238
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,559
think you're absolutely right. It's

1239
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,599
unfortunate that because these it's

1240
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,119
fortunate for different reasons,

1241
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,040
unfortunate for some other reasons

1242
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,520
depending on perspective. But because

1243
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,319
the state authorities aren't limited on

1244
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:57,839
the types of projects they can oversee,

1245
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,720
it's easy for a lobbyist representing a

1246
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,319
developer to just go to a state

1247
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,240
authority and you wouldn't necessarily

1248
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,000
know about it. There's a lot more

1249
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,880
attention on that now because of of

1250
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920
Strata the Stratus project. Um, but this

1251
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,800
was potentially a repeat of that type of

1252
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,960
behavior that fortunately some of you

1253
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,800
found out that there was at least some

1254
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,119
conversations going on and that's why

1255
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,520
we're here is to stop that and not let

1256
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,920
that be a repeat of what had happened.

1257
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
So, I appreciate it. Thank you.

1258
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,119
>> Did you have another question?

1259
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,800
>> I think I got it answered.

1260
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,280
>> Okay.

1261
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,319
>> I I It was for Bill. So I got a little

1262
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:39,440
confused because we we throw both terms

1263
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
back and forth. To me, it looks like

1264
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
we're looking at the one in Cresjuction

1265
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,640
as being more like a transfer station

1266
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,280
and not a recycle center

1267
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,720
or we take

1268
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,960
>> No, they would recycle the copper which

1269
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,760
is typically wire and it comes in with a

1270
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,240
plastic sheathing on it and the

1271
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,119
byproduct the waste product is then the

1272
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,400
plastic and the copper is utilized to be

1273
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,119
turned back into new wire or bars or

1274
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,359
whatever they use it for. So the

1275
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,680
byproduct, the waste product would then

1276
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,040
end up in a landfill somewhere which we

1277
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,319
have talked you and I have had

1278
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,480
conversations the one conversation with

1279
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,319
Chris Scoville about it as a benefit to

1280
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,079
the county.

1281
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,680
>> Okay. So if I answer real quick I think

1282
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,280
I can answer your question.

1283
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,599
>> Okay.

1284
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,520
>> So I think that you're looking at two

1285
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,440
processes, right? And I think you're

1286
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,680
looking at process one when the copper

1287
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,079
wire arrives that they're going to strip

1288
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,760
the copper wire and that would be

1289
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,839
happening that process would be

1290
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:44,079
happening in Crescent Junction. Okay.

1291
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,160
>> Would then go on to trucks and it would

1292
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,880
be trucked down to San Juan County where

1293
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,960
the actual recycling of the copper would

1294
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,640
happen. And that's where that was the

1295
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,079
spot that I said that I think that they

1296
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,240
found that that while they were milling

1297
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,240
that copper, right, that there's an

1298
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,319
opportunity at that same time that they

1299
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:03,119
could be recycling copper at the same

1300
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,000
time gaining those efficiencies and then

1301
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,240
the final product would then come back

1302
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,880
to would then come back to Grand County

1303
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,720
and hop on the rail and head on out.

1304
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,119
>> That's how I understood. I bet I got

1305
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,119
just I just confused you. I'm sorry.

1306
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,920
>> Excuse me, Bill. You confused me.

1307
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,800
>> Any more questions for Brandy or Sharon

1308
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,119
before?

1309
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,390
>> Thank you. Yes.

1310
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,000
» It's so good to see Mary. However you

1311
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,960
decide to act is happy to help.

1312
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,920
>> Thank you. Yeah.

1313
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,839
>> Okay. And we're going to take five six

1314
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:41,200
minutes. discuss. We'll be back with

1315
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,800
more

1316
00:53:42,800 --> 01:00:50,630
regular

1317
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,119
Welcome everybody. Leaving early

1318
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:56,319
commission on July 7th

1319
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,160
>> at 4:00. We're opening this meeting at

1320
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,839
42. Um we have an attendance dog online.

1321
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:05,839
Brian Martinez.

1322
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,760
Oh, I guess we should wait for Mary and

1323
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,910
sorry. Sorry about that.

1324
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,599
We have

1325
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,200
Commissioner Trish Dean, Commissioner

1326
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,280
Mayor Mcan, Commissioner Mike Mccertie,

1327
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,200
Commissioner Bill and myself,

1328
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,359
Commissioner Mccandas, along with County

1329
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,680
Attorney Stevens and Commission

1330
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,000
Administrator Mark Kaiser.

1331
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,829
>> We have Gabe online. No, [clears throat]

1332
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:30,960
» these are the soccer games.

1333
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,880
>> I already got Jacques. Yeah, we're good.

1334
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,559
And I'd like to start this meeting out

1335
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:35,839
with the pledge of allegiance. You all

1336
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,319
stand.

1337
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,880
>> I

1338
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,520
the United States of America and to the

1339
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,720
republic for which it stands. One nation

1340
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,839
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

1341
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:54,470
justice for all.

1342
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,640
» Hey, and Commissioner Winfield has asked

1343
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,599
to speak before you get going.

1344
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,960
>> Um, I know that Trisha, you mentioned um

1345
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,880
and brought to attention the county

1346
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,799
should we should have our flags at half

1347
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,480
staff. And if you'd like to say anything

1348
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,240
about the firefighters, I'm welcome to

1349
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240
let you do it. If not, I'd like to say a

1350
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:12,799
few things.

1351
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:14,720
>> That'd be great.

1352
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,160
>> And I do want to say that that was

1353
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,160
prompted by a citizen saying, "Hey, I

1354
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,000
think this would be really good for you

1355
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,680
guys to do this." So, I want to thank um

1356
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,280
it was Bob Phillips. I want to thank him

1357
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,920
for for inspiring that.

1358
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,559
>> The the firefighters were Emily Baker,

1359
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:33,680
38, from Clinton, Michigan. Nick Hutchin

1360
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,680
Hutcherson 27 from Glendale, Arizona.

1361
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,119
Sydney Watson, 27, from Warrior,

1362
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,200
Alabama.

1363
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,680
That sounds interesting. But anyway, we

1364
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,960
lost heroes in that fire that started in

1365
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,240
Grand County and moved to Mesa County in

1366
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,640
Colorado.

1367
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,559
And I just want to acknowledge that they

1368
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,599
gave all. They gave their lives trying

1369
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,920
to protect a natural resource, to

1370
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,839
protect something that we all hold dear

1371
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:06,799
here. And it it's hard to not

1372
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:10,160
acknowledge them. And I I did attend the

1373
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,640
memorial for them. I got there a little

1374
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,799
bit late, but

1375
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:16,799
enough to know that there wasn't a dry

1376
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:19,200
eye in that place and there were 500 to

1377
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,599
a,000 people. I'm not good at crowd

1378
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,359
measurement, but um I was there when the

1379
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,680
they received their last call and it's a

1380
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,760
tribute that they do for firefighters

1381
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,920
that are lost in the line of duty. And

1382
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,720
when they do not answer,

1383
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,280
well, that's that's the end for them.

1384
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,720
That's the end of their duty. And the

1385
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,119
other firefighters are promising to pick

1386
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,400
up and to carry on for them. I just I

1387
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,480
tell you, it hits pretty hard when it's

1388
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,039
that close to home. I have a son that

1389
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:52,240
works fights fires. Um probably have

1390
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,240
some grandsons that will follow him into

1391
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,119
that line and it's an incredible battle

1392
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,280
that we see taking place out there in

1393
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,119
our state right now, especially just

1394
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,680
right across the line to the south. So

1395
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,200
we're surrounded with it. But I I do

1396
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,400
want to acknowledge that they gave all.

1397
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,440
So thank you.

1398
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,079
>> Thank you, Bill. Thank you.

1399
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,480
>> I do want to remind commissioners to use

1400
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,160
their mics. It's good for the people

1401
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,079
online

1402
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:21,599
as well as the audience out here. I

1403
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,119
think it goes out there. So, you can use

1404
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:24,559
your mics. That would be greatly

1405
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,160
appreciated by the audience.

1406
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,200
>> And Mike,

1407
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520
>> can I uh am I able to speak now or

1408
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,520
should I wait for Go ahead.

1409
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:34,720
>> Okay. Go ahead.

1410
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,280
>> Uh thanks, Bill, for doing that. Uh two quick statements. As it is uh

1411
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,000
July 7th, mere days after our nation's

1412
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,000
uh 250th day of independence

1413
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,160
celebration, I wanted to bring it back

1414
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,440
to the local level and uh say thank you

1415
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,280
to every one of our guests and citizens

1416
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,359
uh in Grand County for the awesome no

1417
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:58,240
incidents, no fire uh from fireworks on

1418
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,880
the 4th of July. It's a big deal. our

1419
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,280
local fire teams have reached out. Our

1420
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,039
uh Grant County Fire Department has

1421
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,440
reached out and uh posted it. But want

1422
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,480
to say thank you to everyone for uh no

1423
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,799
it no fire incidents whatsoever on the

1424
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:15,119
4th of July. That's big as we know

1425
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,599
they're going around this year. Uh

1426
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,799
second thing uh Grand County Fair uh was

1427
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:23,599
absolutely awesome. Was well attended.

1428
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,119
Uh and I'm already looking forward to

1429
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:29,359
next year's uh I hope many others also.

1430
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:31,520
Uh glad I got to be a part of it. Uh see

1431
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,400
so many friends and people out. Uh a

1432
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,240
huge sectionist community was out there

1433
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,160
guys. Uh all sorts. Uh even even

1434
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,400
opponents were out there as we can see.

1435
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,200
But if any of you missed uh I want to

1436
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,280
say Thursday night uh was the junior

1437
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,720
rodeo. Uh considered a huge loss and I

1438
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,640
expect to see you out there next year.

1439
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:59,280
It was absolutely a sight to see. Uh so many youngans. uh five year five

1440
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,480
years old to teenagers uh just showing

1441
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,480
absolute courage and their ability uh to

1442
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,440
uh in many rodeo aspect. It was awesome

1443
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,680
to see uh just on a Thursday night in

1444
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Grand County. I I am so glad the OSA

1445
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,799
staff and the fair board uh put that

1446
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:18,880
together. It was absolutely awesome and

1447
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,200
I was glad to see everyone uh from our

1448
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,280
community out there. So, hope to see you

1449
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,950
next time.

1450
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,440
Okay. And then I just wanted to mention

1451
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,000
today that regarding item four on the

1452
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,520
agenda, which is the data center

1453
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,079
temporary land use regulations, that we

1454
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,599
do not actually have a formal

1455
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,319
requirement for a public hearing as it's

1456
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:43,119
administrative decision. So we are um we

1457
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,599
will allow dedicated comments pertaining

1458
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:47,839
to this topic. You can have them now

1459
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,160
during citizens to be heard or I will

1460
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,400
allow that after item number three. But

1461
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,839
um we are going to consider this a

1462
01:06:55,839 --> 01:07:00,079
little bit later. Sorry. Oh my the smoke

1463
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,039
is getting to me. It's not. Um anyways,

1464
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,520
we'll consider that later this this

1465
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,240
evening. So with that, we will have some

1466
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,359
things to be heard. Who would like to

1467
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:13,190
come up and speak?

1468
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:21,270
Come on.

1469
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,960
I just Mary O'Brien Bastel Valley. I

1470
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,920
just attended the workshop on tax

1471
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,480
increment financing which um I had heard

1472
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,240
about

1473
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,559
rumors about a copper in cycling center

1474
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,880
had no information what how this was

1475
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,200
coming up. Um, and so, um, I sent a

1476
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,599
grammar request, um, and I asked for all

1477
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:51,440
communications, including, but not

1478
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,760
limited to documents transmitted to and

1479
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,000
from, and personal communications,

1480
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,039
emails, phone notes, meeting notes to or

1481
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,680
from Bill Winfield, Brian Martinez,

1482
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,880
andor McCandvas, and all other persons

1483
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,480
and entity entities concerning um, any

1484
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,640
of the following words: Umpra, Water

1485
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,720
Rights, Crescent Junction, copper

1486
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,200
recycling and the date range of

1487
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,839
documents from January 1st of this year

1488
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:20,799
to June 4th when I sent the grandma. I

1489
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:25,279
have recre received no response at all.

1490
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,679
The um grandma was um initially denied

1491
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:32,000
because the time had passed and the

1492
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,480
three of you hadn't responded. So I have

1493
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:38,319
appealed it and I still have no

1494
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,040
response. This is over a month. And if

1495
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,040
this is the kind of secrecy that's going

1496
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,679
to go on regarding tax improvement

1497
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:47,759
financing, which is a subsidy to

1498
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:51,679
development that diverts from p um taxes

1499
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,679
for public

1500
01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:56,400
um I I looked up I have tax increment

1501
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,040
financing, copper recycling.

1502
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,679
Why do we have to subsidize copper

1503
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:04,480
recycling if it's such a good idea and

1504
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,560
such a good um business, which it is

1505
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,000
very good to recycle copper? And I just

1506
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,920
looked up on the web community

1507
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000
redevelopment areas which were being

1508
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,400
talked about today anti uh taxing

1509
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,520
financing and it just said face

1510
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,759
significant critiques most notably that

1511
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,000
they divert profit taxes away from

1512
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,960
public services like schools and

1513
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,679
subsidized developers for projects that

1514
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:34,239
might have happened anyways. Um that was

1515
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:37,120
the Lincoln Policy Institute. Um,

1516
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,759
another one was the heading why tax

1517
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:42,880
increment financing often fails and how

1518
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,719
communities could do better by um, uh,

1519
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:49,359
and that was Lincoln Institute and

1520
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,520
Kansas Policy Institute. The hidden

1521
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,839
costs of tax increment financing

1522
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:57,120
subsidies that drain prosperity. All of

1523
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,840
which I have not read that

1524
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,719
those materials. I don't know about TIFF

1525
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:06,000
or CRAAS. I certainly don't know where

1526
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,960
this copper recycling meetings came, but

1527
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,320
clearly at the last in the last hour

1528
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,719
they'll refer to meetings that you've

1529
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:19,600
gone to and yet zero response on grandma

1530
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,560
on on the public records act. So it's

1531
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,719
better it better be more public process

1532
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:29,360
than what it has been up to now. Thank

1533
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,280
you.

1534
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,040
>> Uh go ahead. our county attorney back to

1535
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:33,440
speak.

1536
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:33,679
>> Yeah.

1537
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:35,840
>> Just just briefly. So, the county in an

1538
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,600
election year always sees a substantial

1539
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,199
uptick in the amount of grandma

1540
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,199
requests. We understand the the public's

1541
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,520
patience with this. Um I think your

1542
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,640
request yielded 1,998

1543
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640
separate emails. And so what I have to

1544
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,400
do is I have to go through every single

1545
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,000
one of those emails. We have to redact

1546
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,760
them and take that information out.

1547
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,960
That's on my desk. Um, that's I think

1548
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,199
we've got multiple grandma requests that

1549
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,760
are coming in and all of them we have to

1550
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,760
pull all the emails. We have to go

1551
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,960
through them. We have to sit through

1552
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,640
them, make sure that they're uh legally

1553
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,560
compliant to be able to release and then

1554
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,560
all the information is redacted that

1555
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,719
should be redacted. Um, so we do do have

1556
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:14,080
a number of requests that are working

1557
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,880
through the process. Um, I think

1558
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960
normally in a small community like this,

1559
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,719
we have staff that are completely

1560
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:22,400
dedicated to be able to do those those

1561
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,719
requests. We're a really small community

1562
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:26,960
and I think this year's grandma requests

1563
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,560
and the size and the magnitude of the

1564
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,120
requests that we've received has been I

1565
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,040
think anything you know substantially

1566
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,920
more probably like two or 300% more than

1567
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,600
what we see in a normal year. And so we

1568
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,520
have to address all of those things. So

1569
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,040
I understand the frustration from the

1570
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,280
public on on those requests. We're

1571
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,120
trying to get through them. I I do have

1572
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,159
literally the count was 1,998 pages that

1573
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,760
I have to go through.

1574
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,120
>> I appreciate that. But I think these

1575
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,040
grandma requests wouldn't be coming in

1576
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,400
if there we weren't having um ACE

1577
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,840
development coming out of nowhere. Um

1578
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,199
$60,000 to an inst economic institute

1579
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,760
coming out of nowhere. Ending time entry

1580
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,600
out of nowhere. You would grant a

1581
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,920
feeling that open process.

1582
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,120
Thank you.

1583
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:24,470
>> Okay. Any who would like to speak next?

1584
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:30,229
You can sit the table or stand up.

1585
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,560
My name is Dave Vagner. Live up the

1586
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,159
street.

1587
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:36,800
In regards to the firefighters, I'd like

1588
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,719
you to acknowledge there were two badly

1589
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:41,679
burned, badly injured firefighters that

1590
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,320
are struggling right now.

1591
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,480
Okay. I have a couple other comments.

1592
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,440
Any water decisions need to be account

1593
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,600
for current residents and businesses

1594
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,120
needs going forward. In some places in

1595
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,840
Arizona, the developers must be able to

1596
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,719
provide water. They can't ask the public

1597
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:04,239
to do it. I think we are approaching the

1598
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:07,520
time when that's going to happen for us.

1599
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,320
Second, the Arches shuttle. It is

1600
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,320
obvious to me and others that a two-week

1601
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,679
window to provide bids is absolutely

1602
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:18,320
ludicrous. But since you appear to be

1603
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,480
working with one provider, it will

1604
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:23,840
probably be the only. [clears throat]

1605
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,000
This is not competitive bidding, not

1606
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,159
acceptable, and the four of you are

1607
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:31,600
treading on thin ice. You ignore input

1608
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,480
from the voters, your constituents, and

1609
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,400
do what you want to do. It's going to

1610
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,510
come back on you. Thanks for your time.

1611
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,280
Thank you, Dave. Who would you like to

1612
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,960
speak?

1613
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:56,470
Come on up.

1614
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,199
» Um, I just wanted to to My name is Scott

1615
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:00,880
Sullie. I'm representing Grant County

1616
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,800
Search and Rescue. and I wasn't going to

1617
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,239
be here for the next meeting, but I

1618
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,679
wanted to give you an update on uh one

1619
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:10,320
of the the grants that we had uh applied

1620
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:16,719
for last year. Um back in uh September

1621
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:19,440
of last year, we had been awarded a

1622
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,600
grant and approved an 82 just over

1623
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,360
$82,000 to purchase two UTVs.

1624
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,280
Um, we were able to purchase those

1625
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,520
starting in in January of this year. And

1626
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,000
instead of just going for the the

1627
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,760
newest, latest, and greatest, we chose

1628
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,480
to actually purchase uh vehicles that

1629
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,120
were a year old in excess in inventory.

1630
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,159
And that ended up saving uh around just

1631
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:47,199
over 122,000

1632
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:49,679
in our grant.

1633
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:51,520
Um,

1634
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,000
we purchased those vehicles on the 31st

1635
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,640
of January and then we had to make a lot

1636
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,480
of modifications to them so that we can

1637
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:00,960
go out and and bring people who are

1638
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,600
injured and baskets, you know, back from

1639
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,360
all places like Hell's Revenge and

1640
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,760
Poison Spider and Slick Rock and and

1641
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,159
many other places.

1642
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,360
Um, we completed those modifications

1643
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,920
um

1644
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,199
uh at the end of uh at the end of May.

1645
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,520
and we put those uh vehicles into use

1646
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,360
just this last month, which actually was

1647
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,400
one of our busiest June that we've seen

1648
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,560
um in a long time. [clears throat]

1649
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,080
I kind of wanted to break it down so

1650
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,400
that the citizens of uh Grant County

1651
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,840
kind of know how we're spending our

1652
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,199
money.

1653
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:41,199
So, of the uh [clears throat]

1654
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,120
$82,000

1655
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,719
um a little more than that that we were

1656
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:46,480
awarded, we ended up spending under

1657
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,199
$65,000.

1658
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,189
Of that money,

1659
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:54,800
threequarters of that was paid for by

1660
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,320
the DNR and that grant comes from the

1661
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,719
offhighway vehicle registration dollars.

1662
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:02,560
So people that buy or people that

1663
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,440
register like snowmobiles, motorcycles,

1664
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,600
boats, ovs, they they pay into this

1665
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,080
fund. Um and that's come around to help

1666
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:14,640
our county. Um [clears throat] so the

1667
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,159
remaining balance of uh

1668
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:20,800
the um

1669
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,840
of the money that was not uh um given to

1670
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,320
us by the the DNR.

1671
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,520
uh we had don't put in $10,000 of our

1672
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,080
own donation funds.

1673
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,920
So of the so basically, you know, there

1674
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,760
was $16,000

1675
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,040
uh plus that Grant County had to come up

1676
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,560
with to purchase these these two

1677
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,480
vehicles. Um and and of that $16,000, we

1678
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,280
put in $10,000 of our own money. and

1679
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,120
then it's very likely that we'll submit

1680
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,719
this to the search and rescue state

1681
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:56,000
board and we'll actually get um at least

1682
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,199
half of that money reimbured to us. So

1683
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,800
in the end there's actually probably

1684
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,320
going to be more money going into the

1685
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:06,000
Grand County general fund than uh than

1686
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,000
we needed to actually have our citizens

1687
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,719
put forth. So I just wanted

1688
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,960
our citizens know that. Thanks.

1689
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,000
>> Thank you.

1690
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,080
>> You

1691
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,800
okay? Do we have

1692
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,800
>> uh is this time to talk about the data

1693
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,159
centers?

1694
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:23,679
>> Um [clears throat]

1695
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:26,640
>> either time wait till the time or

1696
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,159
>> either way you can talk about it right

1697
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:29,440
now. It's not really a public hearing on

1698
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:30,480
that. So if you want to talk about it

1699
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:31,840
right now go ahead.

1700
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,600
>> Yep.

1701
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,040
We will include those on our comments on

1702
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,159
that tonight anyway. So

1703
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,560
>> uh great. I just wanted to say I'm very

1704
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,239
pleased that you're considering a

1705
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:44,560
moratorum. It's going to be one of the

1706
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,440
times that we make it a semino decision

1707
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,280
out of you. I'm really hoping that we

1708
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,880
do. The other thing I want to say about

1709
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,800
the mortorium of course is after the

1710
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,760
moratorum we have work to do on what

1711
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,360
it's going to look like for data

1712
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,040
centers. You know what is the minimum

1713
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,880
size as somebody on the planning

1714
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,920
commission says it can't be a couple of

1715
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,520
uh uh uh uh servers sitting in the

1716
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,120
basement somewhere because that's not

1717
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,640
quite a data center. So we're going to

1718
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,120
have to make good clear definitions. The

1719
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,760
other thing I'd really love to see is

1720
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,600
some workshops

1721
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,760
because I think it's real important to

1722
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,640
get public input on this. Is this

1723
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,320
something people want to see for the

1724
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,719
community? And I also know yes indeed

1725
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:28,560
there are businesses that might be

1726
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,960
interested in doing it. But I think here

1727
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,640
when we will eventually have a

1728
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,360
legislative decision on what this looks

1729
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,280
like, it's important to get public

1730
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,239
opinion which is not clamor when it

1731
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:42,159
comes to a legislative decision. Thank

1732
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:43,280
you.

1733
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,000
>> Thank you. I think I have um someone

1734
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,640
online that wants to speak. AJ.

1735
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,640
>> Hey. Yep. Can you hear me? All right.

1736
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,000
>> Yeah.

1737
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,080
>> AJ Throg Martin, thanks for letting me

1738
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,640
speak. Uh I wanted to speak briefly to

1739
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,719
the patriotic crosswalk that we did over

1740
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:02,400
the last week and just give a few shout

1741
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,960
outs to that. It's a bit of a list who

1742
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,520
all chimed in and helped out, so bear

1743
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,600
with me here. But um first we started

1744
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,280
with Sheriff Wiggins helped put me in

1745
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,040
touch with some members of the sheriff's

1746
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,880
department as well as a couple of

1747
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,400
inmates that came out and helped out

1748
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,280
with that effort. The BFW chipped in,

1749
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,719
Commander Kho over there. Dan Sto, a

1750
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:25,280
local Trudy Henches, Commissioners

1751
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,360
McCandless and two of her kids came out

1752
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,280
to help out. Commissioner Winfield

1753
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,199
chipped in.

1754
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,199
Local community member Shaylee Holland

1755
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,920
helped out. And then getting it approved

1756
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,600
through the city was a collaborative

1757
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,719
effort too. We had a lot of help from

1758
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:45,199
city manager Michael Black very helpful

1759
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,120
in helping get approval for that and

1760
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,040
seeing what I needed to get complete to

1761
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,360
uh to even just get started on the work.

1762
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,360
City roads department came out helped us

1763
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,000
con everything off and block it off. Uh

1764
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,000
members of the mark provided a ton of

1765
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,120
valuable input on prepping the canvas

1766
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,320
that was our crosswalk materials to use.

1767
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,040
Um I'm sure I'm missing a few folks, but

1768
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,760
it was a huge team effort and and I'd

1769
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,360
call out that I I first got that idea

1770
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,760
from a municipality in New Jersey that

1771
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,159
did it. Um and as we were actually

1772
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,320
working on it, saw pictures of St.

1773
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,480
George and a few other communities doing

1774
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,880
that similar kind of patriotic display

1775
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,840
on the canvas of a crosswalk. So that

1776
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,640
coupled with all of the hoots and

1777
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,560
hollers, people driving by, I guess it

1778
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,679
was like um maybe cat calling, they were

1779
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:35,760
all in support driving by. And so it was

1780
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,920
really warming to see that uh the

1781
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,679
community took notice and and was

1782
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,280
supportive of that show of national

1783
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,880
unity.

1784
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,800
And then to wrap that down to the local

1785
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,199
level, the services that people like the

1786
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,360
sheriff's department do chipping in on

1787
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,800
that effort along with helping protect

1788
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,440
us day in day out. I think it also

1789
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,199
pertains that level of service to those

1790
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:56,719
firefighters and the heroes that

1791
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:58,719
Commissioner Winfield spoke about a

1792
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,920
little bit ago. Um that sense of service

1793
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,560
and and national unity goes to each of

1794
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,400
you and the services you provide as

1795
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,159
well. It can definitely be a thank

1796
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,800
thankless job that you can get involved

1797
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,040
with here. But in that you're tasked

1798
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,719
with making some really hard decisions

1799
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:17,199
to impact the quality of life and our

1800
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:20,080
viability as our community. So, well,

1801
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,159
thank you to all of you and to to all of

1802
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:25,600
those service members.

1803
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,280
Yeah. Thank you.

1804
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,960
>> Thank you, AJ.

1805
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,800
>> I know it wasn't said earlier. That is

1806
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,400
absolutely beautiful. Thank you guys.

1807
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,320
Uh, thank you, AJ. Thank you guys for

1808
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,159
working on that.

1809
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:37,679
>> Very fun. If you haven't seen it, go and

1810
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:39,456
walk right across the street.

1811
01:21:39,456 --> 01:21:40,880
[clears throat]

1812
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,760
>> Did you want to come up? You ready?

1813
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,360
>> I never want to, but

1814
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,159
>> No, you sit up there.

1815
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:51,120
and sweat. Name is Pete Ghost, web

1816
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,480
resident for the last third of a

1817
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,760
century. Um, first of all, several

1818
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,600
months ago, I stood here at one of the

1819
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,360
public hearings and Lynn Jackson was

1820
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,360
sitting in the audience and I pointed

1821
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,920
out when Lynn Jackson and I agree on a

1822
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,960
topic. Wow, that's pretty important. And

1823
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,199
he even commented, I'm making note of

1824
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,080
that. And what I'm speaking in reference

1825
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,600
to is the Arches Shuttle that Lynn

1826
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,600
Jackson had written an op-ed about what

1827
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,239
a monumental waste of money it is. And I

1828
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,159
totally agree with Lynn once again. Um

1829
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,600
I don't think I even need to go into the

1830
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,440
details why, but it's so poorly thought

1831
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:29,520
out. You know, just what's going to

1832
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,920
happen at 5:00 p.m., you know, when when

1833
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,440
they leave? What about the people that

1834
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:34,960
are stranded? They missed the last one.

1835
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,239
How is that, you know, there's just so

1836
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,080
many unanswered questions. I think it's

1837
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,372
being rushed. That needs to be

1838
01:22:40,372 --> 01:22:43,920
[clears throat] taken into account. Um,

1839
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,400
regarding the water use and preservation

1840
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,760
element, um, as has been pointed out, as

1841
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,360
far as I know, there's no consideration

1842
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,000
of climate change in there. And while

1843
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,520
some people seem to think it's not a

1844
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,840
hoax, I studied thermal sciences. The

1845
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,400
science is solid. It was worked out back

1846
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,000
in the 1800s. Um, and also the notion

1847
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,679
that we could tap into the Colorado

1848
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:09,120
River. The infrastructure required that

1849
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,960
would again that would be a monumental

1850
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,320
waste. It's like the Colorado River is

1851
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,040
already overallocated.

1852
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,040
I don't need to say any more about that.

1853
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:20,960
And Grand County water rights are junior

1854
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,520
to any existing rights.

1855
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,840
The Burr Oaks reszone, I'm not sure if

1856
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,840
this is the right time to raise that

1857
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:28,320
issue.

1858
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,719
>> It's not. If you want them um if you

1859
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,239
want them to be on the record for those

1860
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:33,840
specific public hearings, then you can

1861
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:34,639
speak at that time.

1862
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:35,760
>> Okay. Then I will

1863
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,639
>> want to speak at be the public to be

1864
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:39,920
heard, you can say whatever you want

1865
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,199
about them. But if you want it to be on

1866
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,639
that specific record,

1867
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:45,872
>> I will save it for that. Yeah. So just

1868
01:23:45,872 --> 01:23:47,360
[snorts] and I'd also like to remind

1869
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,760
that that a number of the members of

1870
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,159
this commission voted I mean campaigned

1871
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:54,960
on fiscal responsibility and

1872
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,199
transparency and we're not seeing that

1873
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:58,880
at all if anything from those same

1874
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,040
people who anyway I think that's kind of

1875
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,360
hypocritical. Thank you very much.

1876
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,960
>> You have anyone out there want

1877
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:18,310
you're next Alison?

1878
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,360
Hello, I am Jim Webster and I'm speaking

1879
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,320
as a private citizen on this. Uh I spent

1880
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,560
my career working on the protection safe

1881
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,880
for the protection safety of of national

1882
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,679
park visitors and resources. Uh I have

1883
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,600
some questions and comments about the

1884
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,400
shuttle. Uh I'm still concerned that

1885
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,800
this project was sprung on the community

1886
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,440
with very short notice uh due to this

1887
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,280
lack of transparency and little to no

1888
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,840
effort was made to engage the community

1889
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,400
to educate us about the project and to

1890
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,080
gain our support in my opinion. I'm also

1891
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,679
concerned that there's been very little

1892
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,960
visible public engagement

1893
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,520
uh or support by local, regional, or

1894
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,480
even national park service leadership on

1895
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:05,920
this shuttle. See, it [clears throat]

1896
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,239
still seems to me that it see this seems

1897
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,480
to be a project created and driven

1898
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,719
almost entirely by a county commission

1899
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:15,760
subcommittee of advocates developed and

1900
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,320
now soon to be funded mostly out of the

1901
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,800
public eye. I'm concerned about the

1902
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,080
large amount of local public funds, uh,

1903
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,960
the $500,000 match, if you will,

1904
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,800
expected to come out of TRT funds. Uh, I

1905
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,239
have also heard that there is a question

1906
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:34,800
about whether the specific TRT funds

1907
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,080
will be even available this year or that

1908
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,800
uh, an unbudgeted TRT diversion to the

1909
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,560
project might impact funding for the

1910
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,040
sheriff's office. I also heard that

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01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,199
there uh is a possibility that some or

1912
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,360
local match may eventually need to come

1913
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,600
out of the general fund.

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01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,560
Uh lastly, uh who will manage this

1915
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,320
project on the grand county side of

1916
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,199
things? Uh will it be an additional duty

1917
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,600
filed on top of an existing employee or

1918
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,719
an unbudgeted new hire at taxpayer

1919
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:09,280
expense? Now, I'm concerned that the

1920
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,960
$1.5 million pledged by the park service

1921
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,600
is not yet committed, approved, nor

1922
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,600
appropriated as of the last that I've

1923
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,320
heard. Uh, this project is scheduled to

1924
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,679
start in less than two months. More than

1925
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:26,560
half of the funding is not even there.

1926
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,560
If for some reason the park service

1927
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,280
funding does not come through and this

1928
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,480
contract is is awarded tonight, are we

1929
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,600
local taxpayers obligated to come up

1930
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,040
with an additional $1.5 million

1931
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,960
to cover the park service portion in

1932
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,280
order to honor this contract that you

1933
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,520
may be voting that you will be voting on

1934
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,520
tonight? Grand County certainly has

1935
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,920
other immediate needs including funding

1936
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,480
a municipal water storage facility out

1937
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:57,840
in Spanish valley. Uh that funding

1938
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,000
request was re recently forwarded by

1939
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,920
this commission I think on a on a

1940
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,520
unanimous vote. Uh but to the community

1941
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,840
impact board but as you know was

1942
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,520
unanimously

1943
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,159
voted down by the CIB. Is this shuttle

1944
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,560
really a higher priority

1945
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,520
uh than a water storage facility? Now,

1946
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,920
it seems to me that the foundational

1947
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,719
document of this project

1948
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:26,320
uh is a cooperative management agreement

1949
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,840
between Grand County and the park

1950
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,679
service. That is of the 20 June 20th

1951
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:34,960
22nd issues of the RFB which I did look

1952
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,960
at which did have three responses to uh

1953
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,560
it in fact was in draft form only as in

1954
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,000
stated in section A1. It's a leap of I

1955
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,440
think it's a leap of faith on the part

1956
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:50,239
of the awardee to have to trust that the

1957
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:54,080
requirements of an unsigned CMA

1958
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,960
does not or may not adversely affect

1959
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,560
this this contract. Has the CMA been

1960
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,360
signed and finalized? Is it in effect?

1961
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,600
When will the public and the contractor

1962
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,560
for that matter be led?

1963
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,480
Another example I think of a rush

1964
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,560
project in a case of putting the cart

1965
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,600
for the horse. Now this pilot pilot

1966
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,360
program will not make a dent in the

1967
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,880
traffic or crowding issues at Arches.

1968
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,595
Even at full shuttle capacity, a tiny

1969
01:28:23,595 --> 01:28:24,719
[clears throat] proportion of the

1970
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:26,880
vehicles that enter the park because of

1971
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,199
the diversion of of cars to shuttle

1972
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:34,000
buses and a tiny proportion of visitors

1973
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,000
will enter via shuttle. Now lastly, I'm

1974
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,000
concerned about visitor safety and the

1975
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,920
RV. I see that the shuttle will only

1976
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,760
work from 8 to 5. 5:00 is certainly not

1977
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,159
the end of the day for a visit at

1978
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:49,840
Arches.

1979
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,560
Uh I anticipate shuttle users will be

1980
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,360
stranded at bus stops because of full

1981
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,880
buses at that end of the day exit rush.

1982
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,400
Uh some of them will probably have to

1983
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,239
wait in the heat and the sun for later

1984
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,080
buses to pick them up or they may not

1985
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,440
even get picked up. I expect many will

1986
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,440
not make the less scheduled shuttle

1987
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,000
because they're still out hiking. What

1988
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,400
happens to them? And don't get me

1989
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,280
started on the abrupt elimination

1990
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,159
cancellation of the time entry program.

1991
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,719
Not only arches but yoseite, glacier,

1992
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,760
rocky mountain have faced chaos this

1993
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,639
summer because of the programs sessation

1994
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:31,520
by department interior the political

1995
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,800
appointees this spring. In closing, in

1996
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,560
closing, I wish the commission,

1997
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,886
our taxpaying citizens or

1998
01:29:40,886 --> 01:29:42,719
[clears throat] visitors to Grand County

1999
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:45,120
and Arches and the Kron contractor

2000
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,360
awardee good luck as we collectively

2001
01:29:49,360 --> 01:30:03,270
embark on this project. Thank you for

2002
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,880
I don't think our timer worked for Jim.

2003
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,960
He got lots of extra time.

2004
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,352
>> Nice.

2005
01:30:10,362 --> 01:30:11,360
[laughter]

2006
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,840
>> I'm Alison Matthysse. I'm a resident of

2007
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,840
Moab and Grand County. I have several

2008
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,320
comments. First off, uh, in response to

2009
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,360
something that attorney Stock said about

2010
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,199
grammar responses, I would like to point

2011
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,520
out that the time period to respond to a

2012
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,840
grammar uh, request is by law. Um, so

2013
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,920
that's um, the first thing I want to

2014
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,440
bring up. Second thing I want to bring

2015
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,080
up is that

2016
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,440
um uh there's a vote related to a

2017
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,280
resolution related to policies and

2018
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,520
procedures of the uh governing body here

2019
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,639
uh in February. Those very policies and

2020
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:52,000
procedures were used in an effort to

2021
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,159
restrict my ability to exercise my first

2022
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,080
amendment rights as I am doing right now

2023
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,040
to petition the government for um the

2024
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,239
redress of grievances. And um I finally

2025
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,159
got a very late grammar response that

2026
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,719
laid it out in emails that this request

2027
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:10,719
came from Mr. Martinez to um uh Chair

2028
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:13,679
McCannless and it was uh in part, and

2029
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,360
I'm paraphrasing a little bit, he didn't

2030
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:19,120
like something I said in an email um a

2031
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,600
response, which is nothing in your

2032
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,520
policies and procedures. That language

2033
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,639
needs to be changed. Also, the fact that that the documents related to this

2034
01:31:28,639 --> 01:31:31,040
weren't put out until sometime before uh

2035
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,199
10 o'clock yesterday morning, which was

2036
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,280
when I found them late Sunday night.

2037
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,520
They were not there. U the public hasn't

2038
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,000
had a chance to review this. Delay that

2039
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,639
vote and let the public be involved. And

2040
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:44,880
you need to change that so that there's

2041
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,560
no chance of what happened to me. The

2042
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,560
threat to throw me out of these chambers

2043
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,080
can happen to anybody else in

2044
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,000
curtailment of their first amendment

2045
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,480
rights. Um, next I want to talk about

2046
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,960
the shuttle system. I think Mr. Webster

2047
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,280
made a lot of really good points and one

2048
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,360
of the most important things is that

2049
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,920
this uh request for proposals is

2050
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,480
premature. I'm going to quote from the

2051
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,280
meeting minutes that were part of the

2052
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:13,120
June 2nd uh package that said attorney

2053
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,880
stated that legal review was not

2054
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,120
applicable for this particular action

2055
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:18,960
and that the cooperative management

2056
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,520
agreement would meet review after this

2057
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,360
approval. I'm going to s sideestep and

2058
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,679
say that um hasn't you guys haven't

2059
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:30,400
voted for that. Back to the uh quote,

2060
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,239
the current approval is centered around

2061
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,960
a funding commitment. McCoy spoke to the

2062
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,040
collaborative process involved in

2063
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,560
getting the current proposal and

2064
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,520
clarified that VIA has no sick. There's

2065
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,000
a typo in there already been selected as

2066
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,480
a vendor to run the shuttle system. So

2067
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:49,360
there is no CMA in place. How can a

2068
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,760
request for proposal go out? I have a

2069
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,400
question, a couple of questions. Why the

2070
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,520
rush and who on earth is this uh shuttle

2071
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,080
proposal for? It's not for the public.

2072
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,280
Uh Mr. um Webster made a lot of comments

2073
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,120
about the safety issues. Out of

2074
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,120
curiosity, today's a hot day, but we're

2075
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,960
only a few days from June. This is

2076
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,360
supposed to run through June of next

2077
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,760
summer. At 2:20 this afternoon, I took

2078
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,840
my thermometer and left it in the sun

2079
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,760
for a few minutes. I recorded a

2080
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,040
temperature of 147 degrees Fahrenheit.

2081
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,440
There's no shade, very little shade out

2082
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:25,280
there. Uh the thing says that they're

2083
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,199
going to carry water. How much? Plus,

2084
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:28,800
you know, the other use of water on a

2085
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,679
hot day is for cooling. There shuttles

2086
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,840
can't carry enough to soak everybody

2087
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,239
down. It is a hazard. There is no

2088
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:38,639
evidence to support the things that uh

2089
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:40,960
Mr. Martinez said that a shuttle system

2090
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,480
would uh improve the quality of life for

2091
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:46,960
locals. It would cost us a lot of money,

2092
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,199
as Mr. Webster pointed out money that we

2093
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:50,960
need for other things. There's no

2094
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,880
evidence that it would support or

2095
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,520
protect park resources. There's no real

2096
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,960
evidence that it would uh uh benefit

2097
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:05,440
businesses. Um and in fact, it would uh specifically hurt I've got one or two

2098
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:08,159
more points uh if you would allow me. Uh

2099
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,159
that that this free shuttle system would

2100
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:12,239
directly compete against some some

2101
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:15,520
businesses. So that would hurt them. Um

2102
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,960
this is extremely um expensive only nine

2103
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,159
hours a day ending at um five o'clock in

2104
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:25,280
the afternoon. Assuming a 15seater van,

2105
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,360
it's $60 for 72 cents per passenger.

2106
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,320
That's not economic for a uh free

2107
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,199
shuttle system. Again, who is this for?

2108
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:37,440
Uh I've heard certain commissioners like

2109
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:39,520
Mr. Winfield say we're out here to get

2110
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,280
things done, but what's the purpose if

2111
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,239
it's not benefiting uh county residents

2112
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:45,920
and the public? Thank you.

2113
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,560
>> Yes. You have anyone else that would

2114
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,800
like to come speak?

2115
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,040
All right. I'm going to move along to

2116
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,470
our

2117
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,600
presentations. Let's see. We have Do we

2118
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,679
have any elected officials around that

2119
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:07,030
want to speak? I saw

2120
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,320
» No, we have a Grand County active.

2121
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,440
>> I saw Maddie here.

2122
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:13,920
>> Here. Yeah, she's here.

2123
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,430
>> We haven't

2124
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:21,199
county active trails of transportation

2125
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:24,000
director Maddie Logitz.

2126
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,320
Okay, I'm going to

2127
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,790
share my screen.

2128
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,629
Hang on.

2129
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:51,350
Can see.

2130
01:35:51,360 --> 01:36:21,270
Okay.

2131
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,480
So, my name is Maline Logitz. I'm

2132
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:26,800
the director of the Graham County Active

2133
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,960
Transportation and Trails Department, we

2134
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,280
call GCAT. Um, and this is my annual

2135
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,280
report. So, for this report, I'm going

2136
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,120
to give you a very brief overview of

2137
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,679
what the department looks like 2026.

2138
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:39,679
We're going to do a 2025 year in review

2139
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:41,280
since it's been quite a while since I

2140
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,960
did a report. Um, and then we're going

2141
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,760
to talk about what's uh happened spring

2142
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,760
2026 and what we're expecting next for

2143
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,400
this year. And I timed it. I'm hoping no

2144
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,760
more than 13 minutes. So,

2145
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,480
>> good job.

2146
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:57,040
>> Okay. Um, so this is an overview of what

2147
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,719
the department looks like this year. We

2148
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:00,800
had some changes from last year. So, the

2149
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,239
main takeaways from this are basically

2150
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,280
that now we have um two programs. We

2151
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,520
have a non-motorized advisory committee,

2152
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,840
a non-motorized infrastructure program

2153
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,840
and a motorized advisory committee and a

2154
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,000
motorized trail infrastructure program.

2155
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,320
And then we also uh work very closely

2156
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:20,719
with a lot of partners.

2157
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:22,239
This is what our funding looks like for

2158
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,960
this year. So um every year we apply to

2159
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,280
grants uh and this year we've been lucky

2160
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,199
in that we've had a lot of grants

2161
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,360
awarded. So, it's grants are primarily

2162
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,639
funding our staff and um materials for

2163
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:37,840
projects this year.

2164
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:38,880
All right. So, we're going to go back to

2165
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,280
2025.

2166
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,440
So, last year, our primary construction

2167
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,679
project we worked on was part one of

2168
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:48,000
phase one of the Mud Springs trail

2169
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,679
system. So, there's a photo of that and

2170
01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:54,719
this is in San Juan County.

2171
01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:56,880
Here's some photos of uh we had our

2172
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,080
trail crew out. Uh we had volunteers, we

2173
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,520
had some help from the state trail crew,

2174
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,440
and then we also had dirt tech trails, a

2175
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:04,800
contractor out there building with a

2176
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,679
mini X.

2177
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:09,520
This shows uh this is what we currently

2178
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,440
have on the ground that's open to the

2179
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:13,440
public. And then those photos show the

2180
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:15,840
soft opening where we had um community

2181
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,280
members come out and help packet the

2182
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:21,350
tread bikes.

2183
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,199
We also started to work on the Falcon

2184
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:24,719
Climb Trail as another construction

2185
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:26,239
project.

2186
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:29,040
So this is in Sandslats. Uh it's part of

2187
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,600
the Raptor route and we completed three

2188
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,320
out of the four miles, so about 75%. And

2189
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,679
once it's complete, you'll be able to

2190
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:37,360
ride, you'll be able to link Falcon

2191
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,280
Climb with Falcon Flow, so it'll be a

2192
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,320
standalone um eight mile attraction

2193
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,920
that's relatively close to town. That's

2194
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,760
it level, which is something the

2195
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,679
community's been voicing they want for

2196
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:53,669
quite a while.

2197
01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:56,239
be there. Nice.

2198
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:59,440
>> And then on top of the construction, um

2199
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:00,960
we're responsible for maintaining

2200
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,400
everything that Gran County has built

2201
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,400
over the last two decades. So we balance

2202
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,760
the construction projects with the

2203
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,159
maintenance projects.

2204
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,560
So this is this shows um all these black

2205
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,920
pins show uh maintenance issues that we

2206
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,080
identified and that we completed in um

2207
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:20,880
2025. So if they're black, it means we did them. And we usually, you know,

2208
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,119
we go where needed based on reports, but

2209
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:26,000
we do try to focus on um more intensive

2210
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,840
maintenance projects in certain areas,

2211
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,239
usually grant funded. So last year, we

2212
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:32,000
had a grant to fund an overhaul of the

2213
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,679
horse thief trail system, which is up on

2214
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:36,960
313. So again, all those black show spot

2215
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,719
areas we did. We also worked on lots of

2216
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:40,560
spots in between those major points,

2217
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,360
doing sort of a freshening up. And we

2218
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,119
refreshed all of the larger rock

2219
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:47,360
features in that area. And we also as

2220
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,520
part of the grant um we eliminated all

2221
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,199
pinch points on the trail that are under

2222
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:53,600
38 in. The reason for this is that hand

2223
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,480
cycles that's the they can't um they

2224
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:57,840
can't access the trail if there's any

2225
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,159
part under 38 in. So this really opens

2226
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,760
it up to the groups that come here with

2227
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,639
hand cycles.

2228
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:06,400
We also work with the forest service

2229
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,400
every year.

2230
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,880
Um so these are just some some photos of

2231
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,639
us working alongside the forest service

2232
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,920
trail crew. Uh last year we worked on a

2233
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,560
few bridge projects, a few sort of large

2234
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,320
wood and infrastructure projects and

2235
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,760
then uh rock work and brushing.

2236
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,920
And then again I kind of threw these all

2237
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,239
together but we kind of we go where

2238
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:30,480
needed. Um so these are just a few other

2239
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,400
areas that came up last year. So we did

2240
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,960
some spots on pipe dream as well as kind

2241
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,480
of throughout the system.

2242
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,800
We also worked on the 2025 non-motorized

2243
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,639
trails master plan project which

2244
01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:44,159
involved a lot of public outreach and

2245
01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:45,920
surveys um which have been really

2246
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,400
helpful. So we put out one survey that

2247
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,880
we got um it's on the right hand side

2248
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,639
here. We got a lot more responses from

2249
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:54,560
residents than visitors. But for

2250
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,440
residents for um those folks who

2251
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:59,760
identified as you know biking, hiking

2252
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,320
and trail running um they all put more

2253
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,040
close to home trails as their top desire

2254
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,480
which we kind of had heard through the

2255
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:07,840
community but it was helpful to get that

2256
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:09,440
feedback. So again that's why we've kind

2257
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,000
of been focusing on um you know

2258
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,480
maintaining pipe dream and adding the

2259
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,480
falcon climb to create that loop close

2260
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:19,040
to home. And then visitors, we had less

2261
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,080
input, but they all said, see that my

2262
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,080
mouse is on it. Um, connection between

2263
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,679
existing trails. So, connectivity was

2264
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:31,430
some feedback we got from visitors.

2265
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:34,080
Volunteers are integral to how we kind

2266
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,600
of cover the massive area that we need

2267
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,840
to cover for maintenance. Um, so I won't

2268
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,520
read all of these, but basically some

2269
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,199
highlights are that we did spring spruce

2270
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:42,880
up last year. Um, I think it was

2271
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,320
actually the largest event we had for

2272
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,239
spring spruce up. And then during the

2273
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:48,159
Mud Springs build, we had an open call.

2274
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:50,480
So we had um a lot of school groups, we

2275
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:51,760
had a lot of businesses, and then we had

2276
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,760
a lot of locals coming out a few days a

2277
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,360
week and helping our trail group.

2278
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,440
We actually surpassed our record for

2279
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:01,440
donated volunteer hours last year. So we

2280
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:04,800
got 2,200 hours donated by the community

2281
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,440
um which is equivalent to $76,000.

2282
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,760
And we're able to use that match. It's

2283
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,040
in some ways it's value. theoretical

2284
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,400
money, but we can actually use that as a

2285
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,080
match on grants and get cash and that

2286
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,679
pays for our staff. So, it's pretty

2287
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:18,960
important to us to have that community

2288
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,480
involvement. Shows a lot of buyin.

2289
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,239
Um, we also participated and led some

2290
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:25,600
trainings last year. The one I want to

2291
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,199
highlight is uh we worked with the

2292
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,600
National Ability Center to learn about

2293
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,280
hand cycle equipment. So, they actually

2294
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,280
brought out equipment for our staff to

2295
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,639
use to ride the trails to really

2296
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:36,400
understand because it is quite different

2297
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,320
in some ways than traditional bikes. Um,

2298
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:39,679
so that was a great opportunity for our

2299
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:42,000
staff just to really understand how to

2300
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,080
maintain trails in a way that serves

2301
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,280
this user group as well.

2302
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:48,639
This is another page that I will not

2303
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:51,199
read, but basically this is just a

2304
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:52,719
breakdown more of that grant funding.

2305
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:56,159
So, um, the first section shows grants

2306
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:58,560
that we applied to before 2025, but

2307
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,239
they're multi-year grants. So, we were

2308
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,560
like working on them throughout 2025.

2309
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,320
And then the ones that we applied to and

2310
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,719
were awarded in 2025 that we're using

2311
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:10,000
now and onwards.

2312
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,159
And this is a photo of our this is our

2313
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:13,840
end of year volunteer appreciation

2314
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,040
party. So it's um staff volunteers and a

2315
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,719
lot of our partners show up today.

2316
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:25,750
Okay. We're going to move on to 2026.

2317
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,679
So, uh, GCAT staff have been involved in

2318
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:29,920
a variety of like the bigger ongoing

2319
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,840
active transportation projects or paved

2320
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,920
infrastructure projects. And again, I

2321
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,360
think each of these could be its own

2322
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,440
presentation. So, I'm not going to go

2323
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:38,960
into them too much, but I thought this

2324
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,040
would be a helpful overview for you all

2325
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:42,480
and the public just to kind of see all

2326
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:43,600
the different things that are going on

2327
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,000
at both the county and the city. So, of

2328
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,280
course, we have the Spanish Valley Drive

2329
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,320
multi-use pathway, um, which if all goes

2330
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:51,679
as planned, we're anticipating

2331
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:54,639
construction will start in 2027.

2332
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:56,960
Moab city and Grand County are also

2333
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:58,800
working on a safe streets for all safety

2334
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,880
action plan. So we've been working with

2335
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,560
them as has the ruins department and

2336
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,040
planning and zoning the county. And then

2337
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,719
the city is also working on a wayfinding

2338
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,719
signage project. So wayfinding signage

2339
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:10,480
is the the signage that shows you where

2340
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,320
you are, where you're going. Um so the

2341
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,199
hope is that that will help uh residents

2342
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,199
and visitors navigate on our existing

2343
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:21,750
paid pathways at bike paddle.

2344
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,080
Uh a newer project is that both the city

2345
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,719
and the county are also exploring boat

2346
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:30,320
access and just river access uh at Lions

2347
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,400
Park and at the town boat ramp. So those

2348
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,199
are two newer projects, but they kind of

2349
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,840
uh both serve the same purpose in that

2350
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,920
same general area. So we've we've been

2351
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,239
working on that a little bit. And then

2352
01:44:42,239 --> 01:44:44,400
um our partner Arches National Park is

2353
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,119
also exploring uh improving bike access

2354
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:51,350
to and within Arches.

2355
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:52,960
And then finally, two other big

2356
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,639
projects. So UD do has um a branch for

2357
01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:58,480
active transportation and they've been

2358
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,239
working on Utah Trail Network, which is

2359
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,159
a statewide initiative. And so the

2360
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:04,000
Colorado River Trail Gap, which

2361
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,199
everyone's probably familiar with

2362
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,360
because there's a stoplight there now.

2363
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,600
Um that's actually the first project in

2364
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:10,960
the whole state. So, that's something to

2365
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,600
be quite proud of. Uh, and then the Boat

2366
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,280
Canyon Pathway Extension, which will

2367
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,880
extend the current path that goes north

2368
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,679
of town to Utah Raptor Visitor Center,

2369
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:21,119
that's been approved for funding as

2370
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,520
well. So, um, yeah. So, I'm pretty

2371
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:24,960
excited. DOT's definitely investing in

2372
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,390
our community.

2373
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,360
2026 funding. So, we applied to two

2374
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,920
grants this spring, the non-motorized

2375
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,960
RTP grant and the motorized RTP grant.

2376
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,679
Um, they put those in different buckets.

2377
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:41,360
So, we applied to both. Um, we were

2378
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:42,960
awarded the full amount for motorized

2379
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,080
and we're awarded a partial for

2380
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:45,600
non-motorized, which has become quite

2381
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,080
competitive. And then we plan to apply

2382
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,880
for two more grants this year. Uh, the

2383
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,360
OVR to continue funding the OC trail

2384
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,840
coordinator position and then the ORI

2385
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:00,159
grant for what we're calling phase 2B of

2386
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:03,840
um, Blood Springs.

2387
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,760
So, one of our big changes this year is

2388
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,000
that we have a motorized show pro

2389
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,840
program. So previously we had worked in

2390
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,840
motorized education and started to build

2391
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,840
out a program but now we've moved fully

2392
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,440
into infrastructure and working on

2393
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:17,920
maintenance on the motorized trails.

2394
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:22,080
So um Kelton our OV trails coordinator

2395
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,400
primarily was working on uh program

2396
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,480
development since that position started

2397
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,480
January 1st. There's a lot of foundation

2398
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:31,520
to lay. So this is an app that he

2399
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,920
developed. So it's very similar to the

2400
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,679
one we have on the non-motorized side.

2401
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:38,239
Um but volunteers can also use it. So

2402
01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:41,440
the idea is that he can or the community

2403
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:43,199
can scout, identify and then work

2404
01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:45,040
towards prioritizing projects which will

2405
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,560
then go on to the work schedule. So the

2406
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,159
ultimate goal is having projects lined

2407
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:51,040
out and shovel ready.

2408
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,000
Also did um some trainings. there was a

2409
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,480
multi- department multi- agency UTV

2410
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:59,520
driving training felt led

2411
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,679
and then also um he was keeping up with

2412
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:03,360
outreach as well. So he did participate

2413
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:07,920
in Eastern Jeep Safari that

2414
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,920
so the the big change here is the field

2415
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,679
work that he was working on this year.

2416
01:47:11,679 --> 01:47:13,840
Uh so he was working with the motorized

2417
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,400
trailers committee MTC. And so this is

2418
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,520
an example of an MTC project um in Sand

2419
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,480
Flats with other staff and then the

2420
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:25,280
really the main goal I would say or the

2421
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,440
main responsibility of this position is

2422
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:30,000
working with the new DNR state trail

2423
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,159
crew or it's an existing crew but we

2424
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:33,360
have a new relationship with them with

2425
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,800
the contract where they're focusing on

2426
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,800
motorized. So suddenly we have a lot of

2427
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,119
capacity to do motorized projects. Um,

2428
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:41,119
so there's a greater need to really have

2429
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:44,320
that to-do list ready to go.

2430
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,080
So, what we've done with them so far,

2431
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:47,520
um, our whole trail crew went out and

2432
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,400
helped with a project in Salt Wash that,

2433
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,400
um, we also did as a grip hoist

2434
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,159
training, which is a tool you can use on

2435
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:55,440
motorized single track as well as

2436
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:57,360
non-motorized single track. So, this is

2437
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,520
some before and after after pictures of

2438
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,320
this project.

2439
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,000
Here's a picture of uh, Kelton out with

2440
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,880
Alex, who's the regional lead. So again,

2441
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,080
just talking through some of these

2442
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:11,679
problem areas and coming up with the

2443
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:13,679
approach.

2444
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:14,880
And then this is all the work they've

2445
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,600
completed so far that state trail. So I

2446
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,520
won't read it all, but um in case you're

2447
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:20,639
wondering where they've been, they've

2448
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,880
really hit the ground running. And

2449
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:25,600
currently they're up on the sit block in

2450
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,040
the Los Alis, and they'll they'll

2451
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,199
probably be up there until the weather

2452
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,760
cools down.

2453
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:40,870
Here's just some photos of their work.

2454
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,040
And then Kelton, I did want to just put

2455
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,719
a thank you out to him because he did

2456
01:48:44,719 --> 01:48:48,400
spend three years really uh building out

2457
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,239
this whole new program and he moved to

2458
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,679
Oregon for some new adventures. But

2459
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:53,600
we're really grateful. He's really set

2460
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,239
up that state trail crew to just uh

2461
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:57,679
start right away, which is great. And

2462
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:00,239
also whoever uh we hire for that role is

2463
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:01,840
also going to be kind of set up to

2464
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,719
succeed. So thanks Nelson. And we're

2465
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:07,199
hiring.

2466
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:09,600
Okay. Um, I'm getting to near the end

2467
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,360
here. So, for the non-motorized trail

2468
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:13,440
program

2469
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:14,719
again, these are all the points we

2470
01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:16,960
worked on just this spring. So, our main

2471
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,960
focus was Navajo rocks, which is another

2472
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:22,480
grant funded project. So, um, horse last

2473
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,520
year Navajo rocks this spring.

2474
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,280
These are all the points we worked on.

2475
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,880
Um, and again, same thing, doing a lot

2476
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,679
of intensive maintenance on, um, some of

2477
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:33,840
like the bigger rock structures. and

2478
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,000
then also um going through those

2479
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,600
projects thinking about hand cycles as

2480
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,000
well. And then for the brands, we have

2481
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,480
an ongoing project. We're on phase one

2482
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:45,280
of a grant, but we're focusing on making

2483
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,760
uh uh improvements throughout that

2484
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,159
network. So, there's nine different

2485
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:52,000
short new trails we're building to kind

2486
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,119
of um just improve the flow out there,

2487
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:56,800
uh improve the bottleneck areas, and

2488
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:58,400
then add some more true beginner and

2489
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,000
true advanced trails out there. So, this

2490
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,159
is the true advanced trail, Rusty

2491
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,320
Spursburg. Um, and you can see we

2492
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:05,520
actually cut like a family out with

2493
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:06,800
their little kid on it as we were

2494
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,390
driving out.

2495
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,320
Some other things that popped up, uh, we

2496
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,159
did a little bit of work on the snotch,

2497
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:15,920
which is sort of a famous feature on the

2498
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:20,159
whole enchilada, and then we, um, hiked

2499
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,480
out [laughter] a whole lot of signage to

2500
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:24,080
some of the more remote parts of the

2501
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,040
stack system.

2502
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,719
Um, again, I won't read all of these,

2503
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:30,480
but just our volunteers have been

2504
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,880
showing up, which is awesome. Um, so

2505
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,080
we're at about 650 hours so far, which

2506
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,719
is uh pretty normal for us. Usually in

2507
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:39,920
the fall we have our construction

2508
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,520
projects when we get more big groups

2509
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,910
out.

2510
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,840
This is the fourth annual spring spruce

2511
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,440
up. Um, so it was uh pretty it was

2512
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:52,960
successful. It was pretty similar to the

2513
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,639
one we had last year. So we had 90

2514
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:56,719
participants and the goal of this event

2515
01:50:56,719 --> 01:50:58,960
is really to um try and get all the

2516
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:00,960
different user groups involved. So

2517
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,800
hikers, equestrians, mountain bikers,

2518
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,440
motorized um and then also cover a whole

2519
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:07,600
variety of land management agencies. So

2520
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,119
BLM, Forest Service, Sitla, state parks.

2521
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:13,360
Um so this is these are the project

2522
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,080
hosts we had this year. So we had nine

2523
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,600
different project hosts in nine

2524
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,280
different areas.

2525
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,080
Here's some photos from that.

2526
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:22,880
And we [clears throat] got these nice

2527
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:27,669
t-shirts donated every year.

2528
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:29,280
All right, so what's coming up next? So,

2529
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:30,800
I mentioned for the motorized trail

2530
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,119
crew, uh, they are currently up in the

2531
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:35,280
Lasowl and today is actually the first

2532
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:38,719
day of GCAT's trail crew season as well.

2533
01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:40,560
So, they get two weeks off between

2534
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,679
their, um, spring and summer seasons.

2535
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:46,400
And we do have a mix of Forest Service

2536
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:48,719
funding and grant funding for this

2537
01:51:48,719 --> 01:51:50,960
season. And so, our scope is actually a

2538
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,719
bit more narrow than it has been in past

2539
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:55,280
years. So, the grant is specifically for

2540
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:56,880
um, areas that were impacted by the Pack

2541
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:58,880
Creek fire. there's still some deferred

2542
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,599
maintenance there. So, uh, as of today,

2543
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:04,400
they are working up there. And then a

2544
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:06,400
little bit later when things cool down,

2545
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:07,840
uh, in the fall, we're going to be

2546
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,840
continuing part two of phase one of

2547
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,920
Blood Springs. So, that's those dotted

2548
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,599
lines on the map is what we'll be

2549
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:14,880
building. It's about three and a half

2550
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,679
miles.

2551
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:20,320
And then this winter, we're going to

2552
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:21,920
push it as long as there's no snow. Uh,

2553
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:23,199
we're going to complete Stockton Climb

2554
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:25,199
Trail and then continue working on those

2555
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:26,960
branch editions. So, all those yellow

2556
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:32,149
lines are the brand editions.

2557
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:35,119
Okay, any questions?

2558
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:36,239
>> From the looks of it, you got your work

2559
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:37,360
cut out for you.

2560
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:38,639
>> Yeah, we have a lot lined up.

2561
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:39,840
>> All lined up.

2562
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:40,560
>> Go ahead, Trish.

2563
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,719
>> I don't have a question. Just phenomenal

2564
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:45,119
work. Um, it just [clears throat] Yeah,

2565
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,360
you just do tremendous work and it

2566
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,280
really benefits the community. It

2567
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,080
benefits our economy. It's

2568
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:56,310
Yeah. Awesome.

2569
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,320
Go ahead, Brian. Oh,

2570
01:52:58,320 --> 01:52:59,679
>> I agree with what Trish had to say. I

2571
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:02,320
did have a couple other questions. Um,

2572
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:06,400
it happens every month once. Um, uh, the

2573
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,000
mountain bike messaging, how's that come

2574
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,000
out with Vikes?

2575
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:11,840
Do you feel like we've been successful

2576
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:13,520
so far? Is there more work that needs to

2577
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:14,320
happen on that?

2578
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:18,880
>> That's a great question. Um, I don't

2579
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,719
feel like we've been as involved in

2580
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:23,440
education this fall. So our staff have

2581
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:24,960
been primarily in the field work on

2582
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:26,880
infrastructure. So I know we kind of

2583
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,880
delegated out to Steuart Moab to help us

2584
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,520
with that. So I do know that they got

2585
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,000
some stuff in the shuttles, but our

2586
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:38,239
involvement has been more work than

2587
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,880
>> Thanks.

2588
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:42,480
>> Yes. Thank you. You guys have been busy.

2589
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:44,400
Do great.

2590
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:45,520
>> Have a great evening.

2591
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,400
>> Thank you. Or let me unshare your

2592
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:52,080
>> Hey, Melody. I just want to Yes.

2593
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,119
That's all right.

2594
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:55,280
>> Uh yeah, thanks Maddie. I think the

2595
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:57,199
additions have been amazing as as

2596
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:58,880
obviously the coach of the Nika team.

2597
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,639
We've it's having Mud Springs to

2598
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:01,760
practice at and looking forward to the

2599
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,080
race out there has been great, but also

2600
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:05,920
uh it's bringing people in. I know I've

2601
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,159
been contacted by coaches from like six

2602
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:09,679
or seven other teams that are going to

2603
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:10,960
be racing here that have brought their

2604
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,199
whole teams down to Moab for for like a

2605
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:14,880
weekend to pre-ride the course. And

2606
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,560
obviously they're staying here and

2607
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,239
spending money. So that's a financial

2608
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,960
boon to the county as well. and the um

2609
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,440
the new the new trails, the uh rusty

2610
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:25,199
spur we used almost every day at

2611
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:27,679
practice and the falcon climb has been

2612
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:30,480
great, too. So, I think I think GCAT's

2613
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:33,199
an awesome asset to Ground County and

2614
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:34,400
thanks for the report and thanks for

2615
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:35,199
everything.

2616
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:36,880
>> Thank you. Also, I forgot to show one of

2617
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:38,320
those photos was the whole Nike team

2618
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,560
carrying rocks out of the France, but

2619
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:41,599
they're in there.

2620
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:43,679
>> That that was a fun day.

2621
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:45,280
>> Great. Thanks everyone.

2622
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,679
>> Thank you.

2623
01:54:47,679 --> 01:54:49,920
Okay. So, our next presentation is going

2624
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,639
to be our land use code audit findings

2625
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:54,080
with our planning and zoning director

2626
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:07,030
Andrew Jackson.

2627
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,840
» I am Andrew Jackson

2628
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:11,360
County planner and this is Daniel

2629
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,679
Jensing.

2630
01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:18,560
He's both a JD and an AICP planner. Um,

2631
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,880
so I bunch of initials after his name,

2632
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,520
but I have a lot of faith and confidence

2633
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,679
in the work that he's been doing in

2634
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:29,440
Orlando for the Peter went out and

2635
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,080
meeting those deadlines um every step of

2636
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,719
the way. And he's going to be making a

2637
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:37,360
presentation on the audit which was

2638
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,800
included in your packets. But also I

2639
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:44,159
would request that um so this is the fir

2640
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:46,239
this is the end of the first phase and

2641
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:48,239
the second phase then is to take those

2642
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:50,400
auto findings and we could go out to a

2643
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:51,840
different company to see if they could

2644
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:53,199
do the second phase which actually

2645
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:55,280
writing the document or stay with

2646
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,760
Sunrise and I recommend we stay with

2647
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,000
Sunrise on it. Um Denny's does some

2648
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,119
great work, very [clears throat]

2649
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:04,000
professional. Um and I've got full

2650
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,440
support in them or full support in them

2651
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,880
to um continue on the project. But

2652
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,119
unless you have any questions for me,

2653
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:14,639
I'll turn over to Daniel. But one thing

2654
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:17,040
I also wanted to do is we talk about the

2655
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,840
temporary land use regulation a little

2656
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,320
bit later in the meeting and I want to

2657
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:23,760
make sure that this is done at that

2658
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,880
meeting. but also um we're going to be

2659
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:30,080
working with Sunrise to prepare

2660
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,360
a document for the dancers over the next

2661
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,560
180 days. So just a little

2662
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:38,320
furry information

2663
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:45,350
>> and then let Daniel talk about

2664
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,920
» everybody

2665
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,800
kind of back here. So, a little bit of

2666
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,480
background, land use code and

2667
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,800
subdivision code update, very standard

2668
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:56,960
procedure. As you all know, the Utah

2669
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,960
legislature likes to make changes every

2670
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,840
single year. And so, as the public

2671
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,239
should know, updating a lane use code is

2672
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,400
very normal and it seems like it's been

2673
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:07,599
a while since there's been a

2674
01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,920
comprehensive land use code update. And

2675
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,159
what that has done and the first thing

2676
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,199
in here that's mentioned as an audit is

2677
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:16,960
as code updates have occurred in the

2678
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,119
past seems like we've kind of created an

2679
01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:21,360
update thrown it in

2680
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,760
thrown at the end of the land use code

2681
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,920
or the subdivision code and moved on.

2682
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,040
And so that's created some

2683
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:28,639
inconsistencies

2684
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:30,560
uh every time you go and you change a

2685
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,520
code and u you really have to look at it

2686
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,840
comprehensively otherwise there's some

2687
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,840
changes there's some conflicts with

2688
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,719
definitions or you know citations those

2689
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:42,560
sorts of things. Um so that's one of the

2690
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,599
first things that really stood out.

2691
01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:48,560
The updates haven't all been included in

2692
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,360
the code itself and there hasn't been as

2693
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:53,280
much of a comprehensive global review.

2694
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,280
And so that's part of this process is to

2695
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,119
look at the code globally, make sure

2696
01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:58,800
it's cohesive, make sure it flows, make

2697
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,400
sure all the terms used correctly, make

2698
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,480
sure it lines up with the definition

2699
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,080
section, make sure the citations are

2700
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,560
correct and all that sort of thing. Um,

2701
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,119
so cleaning up the code is a big part of

2702
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:12,639
this and a reorganization to a structure

2703
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:16,560
that is more intuitive for a property

2704
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,880
owner who's pulling up the code, trying

2705
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,119
to read it, and understand the code.

2706
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:23,679
Right now, the code is quite topical,

2707
01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:27,440
which doesn't always uh flow as well for

2708
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,119
a property owner who's wondering what

2709
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:31,280
can I do or what can't I do with my

2710
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,280
property. So, we want to set it up so

2711
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,360
that that way a property owner can go

2712
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:36,800
through and say, here's what I want to

2713
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,800
do. Clearly, I need to look at chapter

2714
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,440
one, chapter 2, okay, chapter 3, four,

2715
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,920
and five aren't going to apply and and

2716
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,719
they can move on um sequentially. But

2717
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:48,159
right now, it's kind of all

2718
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:51,040
intermingled. And so you'd have to read

2719
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,639
all I can't remember the number of

2720
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:54,960
pages, 180 pages or whatever to know

2721
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,320
what I can and can't do with my

2722
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,159
property. And so we want to move away

2723
01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:01,840
from that and create a more uh intuitive

2724
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,639
structure and a better flow.

2725
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:06,800
Um, one of the things also that stood

2726
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,400
out is the overlay districts. We want to

2727
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,480
make sure that's very clear. So in

2728
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,159
zoning, so the public understands an

2729
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:16,239
overlay, whatever public's nerdy enough

2730
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:18,080
to want to listen to this, which is

2731
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,800
great. An overlay allows a property

2732
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,560
owner to do additional things with the

2733
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:25,920
property on top of the bundle of rights

2734
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,080
that they have in their base zone. And

2735
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,440
right now, the code uh the chapter that

2736
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:34,960
addresses overlay also brings in a

2737
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:36,639
different type of we can call them

2738
01:59:36,639 --> 01:59:40,960
overlays, but they're really not. Um

2739
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,560
what what are we going to call them

2740
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,520
here? Uh

2741
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:47,119
>> yeah. Yeah. sight specific

2742
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:50,239
characteristics, things like SEMA or

2743
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:54,400
wildland urban interface or utilities

2744
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,800
overlay, those sorts of things that

2745
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,520
aren't uh additional rights that you

2746
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,360
have, but they're restrictions. There

2747
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,159
are things that you would walk into

2748
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:05,920
someone like Andrew to a planner and the

2749
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,639
planner would say just so you know your

2750
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:12,320
property is located in a FEMA flood zone

2751
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:14,960
or has a wetland on it and you need to

2752
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,199
get a wetland delineation study or that

2753
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:19,280
sort of thing. So that's not a land use

2754
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,920
application that is a restriction that

2755
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:23,360
they need to be aware of that is sight

2756
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:24,639
specific. So, we want to make sure those

2757
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:26,560
are split and those are very intuitive

2758
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:29,440
and so property owners understand

2759
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:32,080
uh the ramifications of the information

2760
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:33,520
that they receive from the planning

2761
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,199
department when they step in if they

2762
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:38,639
submit an application. Um, so those are

2763
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,719
some of the big things there. There were

2764
02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:43,119
a lot of things I pulled out in the

2765
02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:47,199
audit that relate to some of the uh

2766
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:49,040
updates that have occurred or changes

2767
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:51,679
over time like changes to conditional

2768
02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:54,320
use permits or subdivisions.

2769
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,320
Those, as you know, have been frequently

2770
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,159
changing over the last decade. So, we

2771
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,400
just want to make sure they're updated

2772
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,639
and they're consistent or compliant with

2773
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:06,400
current code. And then uh there are

2774
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,119
areas of the code that aren't addressed

2775
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,040
or aren't fully addressed. Some of the

2776
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,159
things are also modern things like for

2777
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:16,320
example group homes now has a lot of

2778
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:18,239
federal standards we want to make sure

2779
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,159
we're um complying with. Medical

2780
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:23,920
cannabis is a newer thing from the past

2781
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:25,440
10 years but you know since this code

2782
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:28,480
has been updated. Um home occupations

2783
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,800
isn't really fleshed out. Now, those are

2784
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,159
going to be a little bit harder for me

2785
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:34,080
because up until this point, most of the

2786
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:35,280
things I'm talking about are more of a

2787
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,400
reorganization and a review of flow and

2788
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:40,960
word choice, things like that. Um, we

2789
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,119
step a little bit more into policy and

2790
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:44,800
that's where I don't advise you guys

2791
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:46,719
what the policies are, but I can let you

2792
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:49,920
know um the gaps and where we need to

2793
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:52,560
know what your policies are and then we

2794
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,239
can fill in those gaps. But that's going

2795
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:56,000
to come in later, but we we're

2796
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,080
identifying those as we go through. A

2797
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,599
lot of those are identified here. So

2798
02:01:59,599 --> 02:02:01,840
there's a propo proposed co code

2799
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,480
structure in here that outlines the

2800
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:07,199
various articles. So they're very

2801
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:09,840
standard and a lot of codes follow this

2802
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:11,599
process now where you have general

2803
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:13,679
provisions at the very front. These ones

2804
02:02:13,679 --> 02:02:15,360
apply to pretty much all properties.

2805
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:17,119
That's why we put them in chapter one.

2806
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,440
Chapter two is your zoning district. So

2807
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,520
as you're thumbming through, you know,

2808
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,159
here's my zone. Here's what applies.

2809
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:27,840
Chapter three is specific use

2810
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:29,920
regulations. If I'm doing one of those,

2811
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:31,760
I know to look at them. If I'm not. If

2812
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:34,639
I'm not, I just move on. Number four is

2813
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:36,320
overlay. If I'm applying for one, I look

2814
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,000
at it. If not, I can skip it and move

2815
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,400
on. Five, development standards. This is

2816
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:41,599
where we're going to outline things that

2817
02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:43,360
are going to apply to a lot of types of

2818
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,679
development like parking standards or

2819
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:48,239
signage, things like that. Um, six are

2820
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,560
those sight specific uh restrictions

2821
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:53,280
like FEMA or wildland interface or water

2822
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:55,840
source protection areas, airport uh

2823
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:57,599
restrictions, that sort of thing. And

2824
02:02:57,599 --> 02:02:59,920
they're going to know that by talking to

2825
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:02,080
planning, right? Uh most people aren't

2826
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,080
going to know that they're in one of

2827
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,560
these zones unless they go in and find

2828
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:08,159
that out, right? But now they'll know to

2829
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,480
look there. Um seven is subdivisions.

2830
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,080
Right? Now, subdivisions is kind of like

2831
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,159
peace meal. It's spread throughout. So

2832
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:15,040
we're going to make sure all

2833
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:18,080
subdivisions is one uh article, which

2834
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,360
makes it easy. If you're doing that,

2835
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,800
that's where you look. If not, again,

2836
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:23,199
you move on. Eight is the administration

2837
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:25,520
and procedures. And so you'll go find

2838
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:27,199
the respective procedure you're doing.

2839
02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:28,880
Pull that up and you'll see that right

2840
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,400
there in eight. And then in nine, that's

2841
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,880
the definitions. And right now, one of

2842
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,239
the things is making sure we're using

2843
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:37,040
the same term terminology throughout. Uh

2844
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:38,719
right now we'll use one term in the

2845
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:40,639
definitions and then we'll use a synonym

2846
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:42,960
in the code, right? That's undefined. So

2847
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,480
we want to make sure that we are

2848
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:45,760
consistent. And that's what happens over

2849
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,320
time because each time we update a code

2850
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,880
we we use a term that we all use and

2851
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:52,400
understand and don't realize that's not

2852
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:53,840
the term that's defined in the

2853
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,960
ordinance. So it's very normal. So with

2854
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,679
the phases here uh we did the code audit

2855
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:01,840
where we went through we looked at what

2856
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:06,000
are the things we need to do uh what's the best practice how do we go

2857
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,239
about this in a streamlined way and now

2858
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:13,119
our priorities um we want to insert all

2859
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:15,280
the code updates that we've done that

2860
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,520
have been adopted that are currently

2861
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,119
standalone documents. Make sure they're

2862
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:21,280
pulled into the code and then reorganize

2863
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:22,800
the code so it's in the structure that

2864
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,400
flows. That's going to help us where we

2865
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:26,320
see that's going to help us see where a

2866
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,239
lot of our redundant language is by

2867
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:30,880
having things kind of in different

2868
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,760
areas. We have introduced a process and

2869
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,360
you know chapter four then introduced it

2870
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:38,239
again in six and we have things written

2871
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:40,480
twice which introduces uh the likelihood

2872
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,960
of errors right where one process and

2873
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:44,960
the same process spelled out somewhere

2874
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,800
else. Very slightly different wording

2875
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:48,159
that might conflict and so we want to

2876
02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:50,400
avoid that. consolidate it as much as

2877
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,719
possible, streamline it, make it more

2878
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:54,880
efficient and avoid those errors. So

2879
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:56,800
that's with the reorganization and then

2880
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,760
cleaning it up, making sure that all the

2881
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:03,280
code is accurate. And then in our last

2882
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:05,840
step as we work forward here is filling

2883
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:07,599
in the code. So filling in those gaps

2884
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:09,280
and those gaps will jump off the page

2885
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:10,960
once we have the structure

2886
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,560
>> right and there there the a lot of

2887
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:14,320
things I mentioned in the list code

2888
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,119
audit. Um,

2889
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:19,840
and then once that's all done, there

2890
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,880
could be some policy work, but I think

2891
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:24,560
that would kind of be a future phase

2892
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:27,199
where we've then identified where our

2893
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:29,360
pain points are that maybe aren't quite

2894
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,480
fleshed out in the code. Um, and we can

2895
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,719
do policy updates, but for this code

2896
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:36,639
update, we're really looking at

2897
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:38,320
reorganizing, making sure everything

2898
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:43,119
flows, and that's the scope. And I was

2899
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,360
just going to add to that one and live

2900
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:46,960
talk um [clears throat]

2901
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,520
while we've been going through this

2902
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,760
like for subdivisions for instance you

2903
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:53,440
have to look in section two section

2904
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:54,880
three section [clears throat] five

2905
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:58,400
section and seven section nine and so

2906
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,400
all those keep you know go back and

2907
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,280
forth and it's just you know uh hard to

2908
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:04,719
keep track of and something's going to

2909
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:07,040
be left out and so that's one trying to

2910
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:10,880
do is consolidate everything together um

2911
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,040
on

2912
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:15,280
It's like reading a pill.

2913
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:17,280
>> I just

2914
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:18,239
was I

2915
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:19,440
>> Yes, you were first.

2916
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:19,840
>> For sure.

2917
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,719
>> I couldn't see you. I can't see you. So,

2918
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:23,760
>> throw something.

2919
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,880
>> No. Uh, commissioner hat off. Uh, thank

2920
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,520
you as a land owner and a property owner

2921
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:31,520
in this valley. Uh number two and number

2922
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:34,159
three are uh dead serious to me in the

2923
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:37,040
recognize code to uh reorganize code to

2924
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:39,520
a coherent structure and to clean up

2925
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:42,560
language within the code uh hits home uh

2926
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:46,159
a lot with me. So thank you for that.

2927
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:50,000
And by the way, I did um submit this to

2928
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,719
the planning commission uh not at a

2929
02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:54,800
meeting, but I sent it to them by email

2930
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:58,320
because um contractually Jamie had to

2931
02:06:58,320 --> 02:06:59,920
make this presentation to you to meet

2932
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:02,239
the requirements of the RFP right now

2933
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:04,400
and then we'll have to follow up with

2934
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:05,920
planning commission on it. But they're

2935
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:09,280
aware of the audit findings

2936
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:12,159
sent to them.

2937
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,159
Actually,

2938
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:15,840
number three, it was something Daniel

2939
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:17,440
maybe you can help me with because when

2940
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:19,360
I look at these phases, they seem really

2941
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:22,159
broad and holistic and that makes sense

2942
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:24,880
and three to me seems like a one-off and

2943
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:26,320
it was actually brought to my attention

2944
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:28,159
by our old chair of the planning

2945
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:30,800
commission. She thought it was odd, too.

2946
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,480
So, can you just tell me where that one

2947
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,800
came from? because it does seem like

2948
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:38,639
it's a small thing short-term rentals

2949
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:41,520
>> um you know encompassed in these these

2950
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:47,040
very broad topics so I'm I was a little

2951
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:48,400
>> as to where that came from

2952
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:52,000
>> right so what we're focusing on is uh

2953
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,560
the priorities one through four so in

2954
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,040
phases code updates

2955
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:00,639
>> and then that's what this project is and

2956
02:08:00,639 --> 02:08:03,119
then we have talked about future things

2957
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:05,280
that looking through your code

2958
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:06,880
>> need to happen but aren't part of this

2959
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:10,400
contract. So, um looking at everything

2960
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:13,840
once we've updated the code, the next

2961
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,679
thing that really makes sense is a

2962
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,800
general plan uh cleanup.

2963
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:22,000
Um once that's done, so once we have a

2964
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,400
code that works, we have a vision that

2965
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:26,480
we

2966
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:29,920
by and large agree on. Um then we want

2967
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,880
to be looking at the policy updates that

2968
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,760
need to occur and these are things that

2969
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,800
are kind of put there because at it it's

2970
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,960
clear they're not fully answered. So

2971
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:42,960
short-term rentals was one of those

2972
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,440
where right now it's addressedish in the

2973
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,280
code. It's done through an overlay

2974
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:49,920
process that maybe we want to kind of

2975
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:51,679
>> There's a bunch of things. Yeah. Okay.

2976
02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:54,560
Well, I I'll just say it seemed a little

2977
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,599
>> Yeah, maybe we modified that statement

2978
02:08:57,599 --> 02:09:00,320
to say there's a lot of policy gaps that

2979
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,159
need to be filled because this kind of

2980
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:04,880
like jumps out and it it it freaked some

2981
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:06,960
people out including myself. That's

2982
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:09,599
okay. So, maybe just say like gaps in

2983
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:10,639
policy that we need to

2984
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:12,639
>> Yeah, I should have said like such as

2985
02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:14,560
Yeah, that's perfect.

2986
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,480
I just will be policy

2987
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:17,679
>> questions for the planning commission

2988
02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:20,159
and the county commission to determine

2989
02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:21,599
what you want to do because you got

2990
02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:24,639
certain that that helps me because to me

2991
02:09:24,639 --> 02:09:26,400
yeah that update right

2992
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:28,639
>> yeah no no I understand that helps me

2993
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:32,000
understand like because it did seem like I said these were really broad

2994
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:33,920
things and that's one very specific and

2995
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:35,840
I was like that seems odd and so it's

2996
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,560
great to go okay yeah just policy gaps

2997
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:39,280
such as

2998
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:40,800
>> yeah and I think one reason I put it

2999
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:43,520
there is so it's clear that in this code

3000
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,040
update we are not going to be

3001
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,639
>> I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

3002
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:49,199
Absolutely. Okay. That helps. Thank you

3003
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:50,320
Brian.

3004
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,719
>> Yeah. Just like to start with um you

3005
02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:56,560
know given the complexity of of this

3006
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:00,079
rewrite and the volume of of um updates

3007
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:02,800
that have um I really appreciate that

3008
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,119
you guys delivered on time. So I mean

3009
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:07,119
that's that says a lot to both your your

3010
02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:09,040
firm and to our planning department. So

3011
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:11,679
just start off with a great big kudos.

3012
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:14,560
Um second just a question for Andrew is

3013
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:18,480
are we uh on budget and um to not for

3014
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:20,800
the not to exceed for the entire project

3015
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:21,520
after phase one.

3016
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,440
>> Yeah. And so um they had to complete

3017
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:25,520
this first phase before they would get

3018
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:28,000
uh reimbured for that or paid for that

3019
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:31,840
invoice. And I think this meets those

3020
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,079
requirements of the RFP and it'll just

3021
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:36,239
be moving towards a second part of the

3022
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:41,920
RFP and um the bid from Sunrise came

3023
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,000
less than what we had originally

3024
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:47,199
budgeted. So within the budget and we're

3025
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:49,599
also on target with RFP as well. Now if

3026
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:53,840
we add things like um data centers or

3027
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:56,400
some of these other things to it then

3028
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:59,599
that'll be you know something additive

3029
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:02,320
and I'm really conscious about scope

3030
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:03,840
creep [clears throat]

3031
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:06,480
and making sure that we we hired

3032
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,079
somebody to do this this what we want

3033
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:11,520
them to do if there is a scope creep I

3034
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:12,480
mean there's going to be some things

3035
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:14,000
that some will say oh yeah well we're

3036
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,880
doing that anyway but then beyond say

3037
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,599
this is a little more complex tax wasn't

3038
02:11:19,599 --> 02:11:21,920
in the original thing. So basically want

3039
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:23,679
to be mindful of that and understand

3040
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:27,280
that fun has to make money business but

3041
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:27,840
yeah

3042
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:28,960
>> I just I just appreciate the fact that

3043
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:30,320
you guys that we're on budget after

3044
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:31,920
phase one. So that's all I want to point

3045
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:33,360
out about is that we're on budget and

3046
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,920
then second it might be um a question

3047
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:39,840
for Stephen and um there's a um some

3048
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:42,480
comments in there about addendum A and

3049
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:44,239
the MFR.

3050
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:47,199
Um, oh yeah, and and that that right

3051
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:48,639
there seemed like it's it's something

3052
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:50,719
that I think that needs answering. Um,

3053
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:53,040
it's just because our the question that

3054
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,760
I have is is since we kind of had it in

3055
02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:58,480
two places, both as both as an overlay

3056
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:01,679
and as a base as a base layer on our

3057
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:06,880
zoning, are there vested rights now in that or

3058
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:08,719
>> that was my question because I see it in

3059
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:10,239
the agenda. That seemed like what was on

3060
02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:12,159
one of the most pressing pressing things

3061
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:13,840
in that audit that really stuck out to

3062
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:14,800
me right there is

3063
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:16,400
>> Yeah, because I didn't know what to do

3064
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:17,360
with that.

3065
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:19,520
>> There's a map there. It looks like maybe

3066
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,079
there are zones that used to exist

3067
02:12:22,079 --> 02:12:23,520
>> and I ran into that when I was talking

3068
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,520
with Andrew earlier who looking at some

3069
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:26,320
of the maps.

3070
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,159
>> One of the other things that we'll want

3071
02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:30,960
to address as well is we have some areas

3072
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,360
that are corner acre lots, but they're

3073
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,480
in one acre lot zoning. So people come

3074
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:38,560
in, they want to put something, you

3075
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:39,760
know, a shed or something in the

3076
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:41,840
backyard. Well, because they have to

3077
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,960
meet the current requirements for

3078
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,440
uh rural residential zoning setbacks

3079
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:49,360
versus quarter acre lots. That's one of

3080
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,920
the things that we'll want to uh address

3081
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:55,920
as well. And um can't remember that

3082
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:57,920
comment was going to be on your on your

3083
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:58,719
comment, but

3084
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:00,719
>> No, no, it's just And so that that you

3085
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:02,400
and you and Mr. Stocks are in contact

3086
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:04,320
over that or Mr. actually you had a

3087
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:06,159
chance to review this or no put that

3088
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:06,400
over

3089
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:08,560
>> no the audit report we received the

3090
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:09,679
information from the audit report and

3091
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:11,599
then we'll dig into it further we'll

3092
02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:13,199
have conversations this is the first

3093
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:17,199
time been brought up so look into it and see how we can address it best

3094
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:20,480
>> great thanks so much

3095
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:23,280
>> yeah I would reiterate that that map

3096
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,760
could possibly giving somebody some

3097
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:28,320
property rights we've seen that here at

3098
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:30,719
this commission over other issues

3099
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:35,679
>> because it says in the code to see um

3100
02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:39,119
attachment C for the map, but the map

3101
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:41,760
isn't labeled or exhibit C, but the map

3102
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:45,119
is labeled exhibit A. So, it's like,

3103
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:45,760
>> yeah,

3104
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:47,599
>> where's C?

3105
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:51,702
So, that's again we need to clear up.

3106
02:13:51,702 --> 02:13:52,880
[clears throat]

3107
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:54,560
>> Well, thank you. Any other questions or

3108
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:56,320
comments?

3109
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:57,520
Okay.

3110
02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:59,840
>> I don't know if it's appropriate then to

3111
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,239
get a notice to proceed on the second

3112
02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:05,040
phase of this which is actually writing

3113
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,040
the plan. We kind of put that in there

3114
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,920
phase one and phase two in case we don't

3115
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:10,560
want to [clears throat] hire somebody

3116
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:12,560
for the whole thing if the phase one

3117
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:15,119
didn't work out right and Sunrise has

3118
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:16,560
met all these requirements and stayed

3119
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,360
within the budget. So my recommendation

3120
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,400
is just to continue on with phase two

3121
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:24,400
>> and that was included in the RFP that we

3122
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:25,920
awarded, wasn't it?

3123
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:27,360
>> Yes. Okay.

3124
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:28,800
>> So I just want to double check with you

3125
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:30,800
that's okay to move forward to that. I

3126
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:31,920
don't know all that needs wash or

3127
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:32,960
anything but just

3128
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:34,639
>> I don't think it was okay. We just move

3129
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:35,920
forward with the second phase

3130
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:37,360
>> right along with with what we already

3131
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:38,239
awarded. So

3132
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:39,520
>> yep.

3133
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:44,870
>> Thank you.

3134
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:48,079
» All right. So our next order of business

3135
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:51,040
is our public hearings. So we have two

3136
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:52,400
that are official public hearings and

3137
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:53,760
then we will take any comments on the

3138
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:56,639
data center if there are any. So the

3139
02:14:56,639 --> 02:14:57,860
first one is the Bur Oats

3140
02:14:57,860 --> 02:14:59,920
[clears throat] reszone and we will go

3141
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:02,320
ahead and have our

3142
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:04,560
zoning director Andrew Jackson talk

3143
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:05,199
about this

3144
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:09,679
>> me again. Um yes. So, uh, this is just

3145
02:15:09,679 --> 02:15:13,440
an action to open up the comment period,

3146
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,320
um, before this zone change. It went

3147
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,040
through the planning commission with a

3148
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,440
70 vote favor, uh, in [clears throat]

3149
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,599
favor of forward and on to the county

3150
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:27,119
commission and then um, we're requesting

3151
02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:30,000
then open the public comment period,

3152
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,239
take public comments on it officially

3153
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:35,199
until I think it's the 17th, 5:00 p.m.

3154
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,280
or something like that.

3155
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:41,679
Okay. Yep. And then um basically we've

3156
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:44,320
got the proposal is reszone a vacant 5

3157
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:49,199
acre parcel 4500 south lane dislo the

3158
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:51,119
subdivision from rural residential to

3159
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,440
large lot residential. The change would

3160
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:56,000
allow about eight half or single family

3161
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,800
lots strange valley feature land use map

3162
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:00,159
in this area is modern scale

3163
02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:02,480
neighborhood which allows some more

3164
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:06,000
housing than is proposed. So it would

3165
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:09,199
but the the general plan would allow

3166
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:12,079
higher leave than what the applicant is

3167
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:15,360
proposing. Um and so we're just

3168
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:18,400
recommending that uh you open up public

3169
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:21,040
comment but I'm happy to answer any

3170
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:23,599
questions.

3171
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,920
>> Okay. Do we have any public comment on

3172
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:30,950
the Bur Oaks resone?

3173
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:32,479
» I thought he wanted one and two, but he

3174
02:16:32,479 --> 02:16:34,639
must have decided.

3175
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:35,920
Well, if you would like to put in

3176
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:37,359
written comments, you can. Those will be

3177
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:40,000
accepted till 5:00 PM on Wednesday, July

3178
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,719
15th.

3179
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:44,319
>> I just had a question for Andrew really

3180
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:46,399
quick. And then will you just make sure

3181
02:16:46,399 --> 02:16:48,479
in the next because it was just Oops.

3182
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:51,439
Sorry, I just diminished my screen. And

3183
02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:52,880
it was just seemed a little unclear

3184
02:16:52,880 --> 02:16:54,559
because you had January 7th but then it

3185
02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:56,000
said Grand County Planning Commission

3186
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,639
meeting and and just anyways I was just

3187
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:00,240
a little confused and then you have your

3188
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:02,800
recommendations but not the planning

3189
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:04,880
commission right you'll just throw those

3190
02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:06,160
in there that would help.

3191
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:09,679
>> Yeah. So is it July 7? Um

3192
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:14,160
>> meeting it was a 70.

3193
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:17,280
>> Yeah I I can do that

3194
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:19,439
>> better when it comes back for the actual

3195
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:21,439
action. Yes, that'd be perfect. Thank

3196
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,519
you, Andrew. Thank you.

3197
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:24,479
>> That's all.

3198
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:26,080
>> Okay.

3199
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:28,000
>> All right. Seeing no one having a

3200
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:29,439
comment, we will move on to number

3201
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:30,960
three, which is the water use and

3202
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:35,760
preservation elements. And Andrew,

3203
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:39,200
>> um, because this is a hot topic and it's

3204
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:40,880
been around for a while, wanted to get

3205
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:42,719
past a bit longer and my opening

3206
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:45,120
statement. I'm requesting that open for

3207
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:47,519
the public hearing. I'm chairless,

3208
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:49,519
members of commission, neighbors. Good

3209
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,280
afternoon. I'm Andrew Jackson, your

3210
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:53,359
planning and zoning director. It's my

3211
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:54,800
privilege to provide this opening

3212
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:56,719
statement for the public hearing on the

3213
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:58,639
water use and subservation element of

3214
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:01,280
the Grand County general plan. A state

3215
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,599
law is a required chapter of a general

3216
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:07,120
plan and uh and is a policy document not

3217
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:08,800
a regulation

3218
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:10,880
or land use decisions for the water they

3219
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:12,639
commit. The planning commission

3220
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:15,200
recommended approval uh June 22nd by

3221
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:17,519
vote 6 to1. Before I say a word about

3222
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:19,359
the document itself, let me say

3223
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:21,280
something about this place that we live

3224
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,280
in. Long before there was a tourism

3225
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:24,719
economy and long before there was a

3226
02:18:24,719 --> 02:18:27,840
uranium boom put Moab on the map, this

3227
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:29,920
was a farming community. Orchards and

3228
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,240
integrated fields, water from Mil Creek

3229
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:34,559
and Pat Creek, a valley that existed for

3230
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:36,719
one reason and one reason only. And

3231
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:39,840
settlers could move water onto land uh

3232
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,160
onto the land. Moab and Swage Valley

3233
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,399
were built by people who understood that

3234
02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:46,399
in this county nothing grows and no one

3235
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:48,880
stays without water carried deliberately

3236
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:53,200
to run as needed. Um and that was

3237
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:55,519
basis of the local economy for better

3238
02:18:55,519 --> 02:18:58,000
part of a century. It's not giving us

3239
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,920
more than a year in making evolving from

3240
02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:02,479
a short bulleted list into an exhaustive

3241
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:04,559
examination of every angle of multiple

3242
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:06,880
from multiple pupils. The document

3243
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:09,120
before use is a distillation of the

3244
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:11,599
previous documents. And by the way, it

3245
02:19:11,599 --> 02:19:14,479
has been available since June 1st on the

3246
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:17,200
planning and sorting department website.

3247
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:19,679
Here's the fact uh here's the fact that

3248
02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:22,399
the center of this plan about three of

3249
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:24,880
every five gallons of water our valley

3250
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:27,760
uses goes not to our kids rooms, not to

3251
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:30,160
our tabs, but to the outdoors, to

3252
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:32,880
irrigation and landscaping. Outdoor

3253
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:35,359
watering is our largest use of water and

3254
02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:36,800
therefore our greatest opportunity to

3255
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:39,120
preserve it and the water we put on our

3256
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:40,880
yards does not need to be drinking

3257
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:43,439
water. So what replaces it? The

3258
02:19:43,439 --> 02:19:45,760
portfolio of nonpable sources reclaimed

3259
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:48,640
water from our wastewater system

3260
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,680
irrigation that goes already uh delivers

3261
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:54,000
lowquality groundwater in the valley

3262
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,720
fill aquafer stored water baked from our

3263
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,120
wet years against the dry. But here's

3264
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:01,600
the honest accounting. Added together,

3265
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:05,200
those four sources are not today enough

3266
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:07,840
to replace all the drinking water we now

3267
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:11,439
pour on our ground. The only source

3268
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:13,359
large enough to close that gap is the

3269
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:16,080
Colorado River. Again, we're asking

3270
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,240
people to not use culinary water

3271
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:21,600
outside, but if everybody decided not to

3272
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:24,319
do that, we don't have pera doesn't have

3273
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:27,439
per capacity uh to make that a complete

3274
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:31,280
100% uh swap there. Uh both the county

3275
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:34,319
and hold rights to it. It's also the

3276
02:20:34,319 --> 02:20:36,800
most expensive and the certain option we

3277
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:39,439
have, but a responsible plan does not

3278
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:41,359
raise its largest option because it's

3279
02:20:41,359 --> 02:20:44,319
hard. It names it honestly and lets

3280
02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:47,840
future leaders weigh it with open eyes.

3281
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,359
Running beneath every one of those

3282
02:20:49,359 --> 02:20:51,600
sources is the cheapest water we will

3283
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,760
ever have. [clears throat] The water we

3284
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:56,319
never use at all. Efficient irrigation,

3285
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:59,040
water landscaping, and trying tying land

3286
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:02,080
use approvals to demonstrated water uh

3287
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:04,160
are not sacrifices. They're the least

3288
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:06,560
expensive supply in the entire forfol

3289
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:10,080
port forfolio portfolio sorry

3290
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:12,240
um in this element and write in this

3291
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:16,399
element right puts that first also um I

3292
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:22,720
put a revised section five um on on your

3293
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:25,120
desks as well as it was in the backup

3294
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:27,600
material. Um the figures I prepared for

3295
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:30,399
section five make the make the case.

3296
02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:32,000
These tables in charts are in several

3297
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:33,520
versions of plan that were removed

3298
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:34,880
before the last planning commission

3299
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:37,280
meeting. Our population is protected to

3300
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:41,840
grow roughly 40% by 2065 and left uns.

3301
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,080
Our water demand will climb with it from

3302
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:47,200
about 2400 acre feet to about 3500. But

3303
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,680
section 5 shows another path with

3304
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:52,000
determined conservation. Grant County

3305
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:55,680
can carry that growth um on most of the

3306
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:57,520
total water the amount of water we use.

3307
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:00,399
Now, I urge the commissioners that when

3308
02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:02,160
you're looking at this and receiving

3309
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:06,160
public comment that you look at um this

3310
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:10,240
revised chap section five. A water plan

3311
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:13,200
without its data is a sermon. A water

3312
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:16,160
plan with its data is a foundation. Let

3313
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:18,479
me say something about our res say

3314
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:19,680
something that our residents have

3315
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:22,960
earned. Kudos. The state's conver

3316
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:26,399
conservation goal for our region is 267

3317
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:30,160
gallons per day by 2030. Grand County is

3318
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:33,439
already at about 220 gallons per day,

3319
02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:35,520
below the 2030 target and near the

3320
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,560
state's projection for 2065.

3321
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,880
We do not gather as a community that's

3322
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:42,880
failed to conserve and must now be made

3323
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:44,880
to do so. We gather as one that has

3324
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:47,439
already led years ahead of years ahead

3325
02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:49,464
of the rest of the sea. This element

3326
02:22:49,464 --> 02:22:50,880
[clears throat] does not ask us to begin

3327
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:53,200
conserving. It asks us to keep the

3328
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:55,280
discipline that we've already shown.

3329
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:56,960
Three questions will come up in public

3330
02:22:56,960 --> 02:22:58,960
comment. Maybe more than three

3331
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:01,359
questions, but um what we received

3332
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:03,120
previously public comment and I'll

3333
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,839
briefly touch on those first. Um there's

3334
02:23:05,839 --> 02:23:06,399
[clears throat]

3335
02:23:06,399 --> 02:23:10,160
been some comments about uh working and

3336
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:13,760
having Moab city part of this. Um city

3337
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:15,680
of Moab in coordination on the water

3338
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,280
preservation element. The city is

3339
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:19,439
updating its own water conservation plan

3340
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:24,640
right now. Good work. But this plan um

3341
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:26,800
but that plan, the water conservation

3342
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:29,600
plan of Moab City and also the water

3343
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:31,760
conservation plans of the different

3344
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,840
water providers,

3345
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:36,720
that's not what this is. This element,

3346
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:38,720
they're two different instruments at

3347
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:40,720
all. The law doesn't require the city

3348
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:43,920
produce a preservation element.

3349
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:45,760
This element covers the unincorporated

3350
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:47,439
county and commits us to coordinating

3351
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:49,840
with Moab on the aquifer we share.

3352
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:52,319
Second, supply. The detailed accounting

3353
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:54,319
of where our water comes from already

3354
02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:56,319
lives in the conservation plans of the

3355
02:23:56,319 --> 02:23:58,479
various water providers who hold the

3356
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:00,479
rights and answer the state engineer.

3357
02:24:00,479 --> 02:24:02,800
This element doesn't duplicate that. It

3358
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:05,520
should be rightly in the conservation

3359
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:09,680
plans um and not in the element. Third,

3360
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:11,200
climate. This element contains no

3361
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,000
climate forecast by design. The statute

3362
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:16,560
dates this chapter to four themes.

3363
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:18,479
Effective development on demand,

3364
02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:20,560
reducing demand for future users,

3365
02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:22,880
reducing demand for current users, and

3366
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:26,160
reforming our own operations. Um, and

3367
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,479
not one of them is forecasting climate.

3368
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:31,680
One thing to note is um from GISA,

3369
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:35,920
they're estimating about 7% of water is

3370
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:38,640
uh leaked out of the system. So

3371
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:40,640
repairing some of those leaks will will

3372
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:44,800
also add to um the supply that we have

3373
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:47,439
that work uh forecasting a climate

3374
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:49,200
belongs to hydraologist and the state

3375
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:51,760
engineer and every recommendation here

3376
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,240
conserved irrigate efficiency move

3377
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:57,040
outdoor use to non-pottable water match

3378
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:59,359
growth to supply is sound no matter how

3379
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:01,920
the debate comes out and the desert has

3380
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:04,720
already been short of water this plan

3381
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,439
stands on its own terms.

3382
02:25:07,439 --> 02:25:10,160
In closing, this is not a plan of limits

3383
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,640
for our own city. It intends for Grand

3384
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:14,560
County to keep growing, keep welcoming

3385
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:17,280
the visitors who sustain us, keep our

3386
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:20,000
children and grandchildren here, and

3387
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:22,479
keep us water. With that, Madam Chair, I

3388
02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:24,960
respectfully recommend the commission

3389
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:27,040
open the public hearing, and I look

3390
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:30,720
forward to public comments.

3391
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:32,960
>> Thank you, Andrew. Okay, we will open

3392
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:34,560
this public hearing. There any comments

3393
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:37,680
in the audience?

3394
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:41,040
I have a question.

3395
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:43,760
Could could you send us your statement?

3396
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:45,760
It was I tried to take notes, but I

3397
02:25:45,760 --> 02:25:46,240
couldn't.

3398
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,640
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'll send that to you.

3399
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:51,040
>> Okay.

3400
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:52,800
All right. If we don't have any public

3401
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,359
comments, you will be able to write

3402
02:25:55,359 --> 02:25:56,800
comments.

3403
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:04,710
>> Sorry.

3404
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:07,760
Alison Matthysse, resident of Moab. Um,

3405
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:10,000
first off, I want to comment on the

3406
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:12,000
green grass in front of this building.

3407
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:15,520
My grass is brown and it has been all

3408
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:18,240
year. Um, so there's not a good water

3409
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:21,439
conservation message being sent by Grand

3410
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:25,200
County, Utah. Um, I think that this

3411
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:27,600
water I I'm going to mess up the title

3412
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:31,120
of this is unrealistic because it's not

3413
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:33,439
talking about climate change. Climate

3414
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:39,120
change is real. We are experiencing it. Not only are we

3415
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:41,439
experiencing it everywhere here in

3416
02:26:41,439 --> 02:26:43,439
southeastern Utah, this is one of the

3417
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:47,120
hot spots in North America for increased

3418
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:49,040
temperatures, especially increased

3419
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:50,560
temperatures at night. That impacts

3420
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:54,319
snow. It impacts other things. And so to

3421
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:56,560
not have anything about climate change

3422
02:26:56,560 --> 02:27:00,080
in this plan is not planning. Planning

3423
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:03,120
is based on reality. It is based on

3424
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:06,080
facts as this gentleman just said. And

3425
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:08,000
ignoring one of the most important

3426
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:11,359
things related to

3427
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:14,080
water in this community in southeastern

3428
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:18,080
Utah is not serving the public in any

3429
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:22,160
way, shape, or form. Also, frankly,

3430
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:25,520
the use of using Colorado River water

3431
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:28,080
for Grand County is a pipe dream. It is

3432
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:30,319
completely unrealistic. I understand

3433
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:32,080
paper water rights, they are not the

3434
02:27:32,080 --> 02:27:34,800
same as real water rights. The Colorado

3435
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:37,200
River is overallocated.

3436
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:38,960
Um,

3437
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:42,160
it's running dry in the very near future

3438
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:44,720
unless something dramatic changes. And

3439
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:47,040
based on the weather and the forecast,

3440
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,840
it seems like this weekend coming up, I

3441
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,080
mean, this is just an antidote, but this

3442
02:27:52,080 --> 02:27:54,800
antidote is part of a trend is among

3443
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:56,640
some of the hottest ever. It may be

3444
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:58,399
record-breaking.

3445
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:00,720
Um, but we get record-breaking all the

3446
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:03,840
time anymore. Um,

3447
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:07,040
so planning on Colorado River water is

3448
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,280
completely unrealistic. And then

3449
02:28:09,280 --> 02:28:12,000
finally, we need to protect our aquifer.

3450
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:15,520
That is the only realistic basis that we

3451
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:18,240
have for

3452
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:21,120
being able to sustain southeastern Utah

3453
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:24,160
as a viable, vibrant community here in

3454
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:26,720
Moab and in other parts of the county.

3455
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,200
We have to protect our aquifer and we

3456
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:31,920
need scientists, hydraologists,

3457
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:36,319
um other types of geologists

3458
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:38,479
in order to understand the aquifer and

3459
02:28:38,479 --> 02:28:42,479
to protect it because some things do not

3460
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:45,280
come back. I was just reading an article

3461
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:46,880
on the Salt Lake Tribune when I was

3462
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:48,640
sitting down in the hallway about how

3463
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:51,040
our community in Utah is basically run

3464
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:53,680
dry. It could happen here. We need to

3465
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:56,880
protect our water. Thank you. Thank you.

3466
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:58,640
I did. Sorry I overlooked. We do have a

3467
02:28:58,640 --> 02:29:01,680
comment online as well. Pam.

3468
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:03,600
>> Um, yes. Can you hear me?

3469
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:04,560
>> Yes.

3470
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:07,520
>> Thank you. My name's Pam Hackley. Um, I

3471
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:09,200
live in Grand County and I'm Castle

3472
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,439
Valley resident. And I'd like to thank

3473
02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:13,200
you commissioners as well as the

3474
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:14,960
planning commission board and staff for

3475
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:17,280
making this effort to conserve our water

3476
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:19,040
by adding the element to our general

3477
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:21,840
plan as mandated by the state.

3478
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:23,840
However, I do urge you to adopt four

3479
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:25,439
amendments that Mary O'Brien has

3480
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:27,840
submitted to you um and that will

3481
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:30,720
hopefully be discussed later. Um I also

3482
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:33,520
sent you a nine pa we all Mary and I

3483
02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:37,840
sent you a nine-page um paper that

3484
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:40,720
quotes articles and gives studies that

3485
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:42,240
show

3486
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,560
uh the dire straits that we're in in the

3487
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:47,040
southwest um related to water in our

3488
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:48,560
aquifers.

3489
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,680
So, um I would say that adding these

3490
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:53,439
amendments will make the plan more on

3491
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,439
target to meet its title that includes

3492
02:29:55,439 --> 02:29:57,359
the word preservation. And even though

3493
02:29:57,359 --> 02:30:00,880
the state uh law does not specifically

3494
02:30:00,880 --> 02:30:03,200
say preservation, that's the whole point

3495
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:07,040
as Allison was just saying as too. Um to

3496
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:08,560
date the public and some planning

3497
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:10,880
commission commissioners have repeatedly

3498
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:13,120
emphasized critical points that are

3499
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:16,479
missing and that are the element deals

3500
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:18,160
with water demand and deliberately

3501
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:20,800
leaves supply to the water providers as

3502
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,439
separate conservation plans. I would add

3503
02:30:23,439 --> 02:30:26,399
that ideally this element that we are

3504
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:29,359
you are about to adopt um hopefully with

3505
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:33,600
the amend amendments put in there uh it

3506
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:35,840
would be great if we could get together

3507
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:39,040
with all of the water providers and the

3508
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:42,000
city of Moab and Grand County and

3509
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:45,359
produce a coordinated um and integrated

3510
02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:48,880
um plan that would be maybe beyond what

3511
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:51,600
you're looking at tonight. It makes it

3512
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:53,760
makes only sense to look at it

3513
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:55,600
holistically.

3514
02:30:55,600 --> 02:30:57,200
The element doesn't use the words

3515
02:30:57,200 --> 02:30:59,520
climate change. Uh despite the abundant

3516
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:02,000
evidence that in is indeed that our

3517
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:05,439
climate is changing, we've experiencing

3518
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:08,080
extreme um weather events, unseasonal

3519
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:09,439
and beyond normal swings in

3520
02:31:09,439 --> 02:31:12,080
precipitation and temperature and

3521
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:14,319
declining aquifer levels due to overuse

3522
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:16,560
and insufficient recharge. many

3523
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:18,720
communities in the state of Utah are

3524
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:20,880
experiencing this. And even though the

3525
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:23,439
state um allows, you know, some

3526
02:31:23,439 --> 02:31:26,080
depletion of the water, groundwater, it

3527
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:28,880
doesn't make sense for us to, you know,

3528
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:32,000
just cavalerely go on and use our water

3529
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:34,960
um without um thinking about protecting

3530
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:36,880
the aquifers and the flow that comes out

3531
02:31:36,880 --> 02:31:40,479
of them. Um I appreciate that, you know,

3532
02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:43,920
what Andrew has said about um trying to

3533
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,439
conserve water. Um, however, I I don't

3534
02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:49,920
think that the answer is in taking the

3535
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:52,160
water from the Colorado River as um

3536
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:54,560
other people previously and tonight have

3537
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:58,720
said. Um, it's expensive and it will be

3538
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:01,359
very difficult to do. And what are the

3539
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:03,600
rateayers going to re how are they going

3540
02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:06,479
to react to this change? Um, it's

3541
02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:08,240
already expensive enough to have water

3542
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,640
in our community.

3543
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:14,070
Um,

3544
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:16,550
[clears throat]

3545
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:19,359
so I guess I would just emphasize that I

3546
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:21,040
think it's important to acknowledge

3547
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:23,520
these other factors that are outlined in

3548
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:26,720
the amendment and um I don't think it's

3549
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,880
going to change the

3550
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:31,280
um the character of the plan, but it

3551
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,000
gives it a more holistic approach um

3552
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:35,359
because people who are going to read

3553
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:38,319
this or developers who are coming in and

3554
02:32:38,319 --> 02:32:40,080
looking at this are not going to know

3555
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:41,600
that they are supposed to be looking at

3556
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:43,439
the water conservation plans for the

3557
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:45,840
water providers or Moab city. I don't

3558
02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:47,840
think unless the county acknowledges

3559
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:50,640
them in this planning element. Thank you

3560
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:52,000
very much.

3561
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,080
>> Thank you.

3562
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:55,760
Okay.

3563
02:32:55,760 --> 02:32:57,680
Make sure I'm not overlooking anybody.

3564
02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:07,670
No more hands out there. Oh, come on.

3565
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:09,439
Uh

3566
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:11,760
well, so much to say and there's uh so

3567
02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:13,680
little time. I agree with many of the

3568
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:15,840
comments that have been made. I look at

3569
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:18,880
this plan as looking at uh water demand

3570
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:21,200
and saying, you know, the amount of

3571
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:24,640
water that we're using can be less per

3572
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:27,600
person and therefore we could actually

3573
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,760
grow in population and use the same

3574
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:32,160
amount of water. But it just doesn't

3575
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:34,399
look at whether we're going to have the

3576
02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:36,560
same supply of water. It assumes that

3577
02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:38,160
we're going to have the same supply of

3578
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,000
water. But that's not what I want to

3579
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,200
talk about. I want to talk about

3580
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:43,600
protections for the soul source aquifer,

3581
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:44,960
which are a little bit different than

3582
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:47,359
the other protections that people have

3583
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:49,200
talked about. It's something I talk

3584
02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:50,880
about with in the planning commission a

3585
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:53,760
lot. And I hope you'll listen carefully

3586
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:56,240
and I hope you'll sort of agree with me

3587
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:59,040
and maybe u move on this at some point

3588
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:02,560
in time. sooner the better. We have two

3589
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:05,520
soul source aquifers. Castle Valley soul

3590
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:08,399
source aquifer designated by the EPA and

3591
02:34:08,399 --> 02:34:11,439
the Glen Canyon aquifer and they produce

3592
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:14,800
the drinking water basically the vast

3593
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:16,566
majority of drinking water for Vanish

3594
02:34:16,566 --> 02:34:19,280
[clears throat] Valley and for uh Castle

3595
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:21,680
Valley. Uh these are sole source

3596
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:25,280
aquifers uh that the EPA has uh

3597
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:27,280
designated and gives very little

3598
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:29,920
protection to. It basically says if you

3599
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:33,200
spend federal money on these federal

3600
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:36,000
lands then the EPA is going to review

3601
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:38,560
what you're doing.

3602
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:40,880
So there's a lot of land in our sole

3603
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:44,399
source aquifer areas uh that some of it

3604
02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:46,479
that belongs to the county. It's under

3605
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:49,200
the county jurisdictions and because of

3606
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:52,800
that it's the county's duty to try to

3607
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:55,359
protect those aquifers.

3608
02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:57,200
Um

3609
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:59,520
let's see what else I want to say down

3610
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:02,000
here. Oh yes, we also already protect

3611
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:04,800
those soul source acers with the water

3612
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:06,960
source protection overlay zones. That's

3613
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:09,520
a really wonderful uh thing. It

3614
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:12,800
basically provides the springs and the

3615
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:15,520
uh wells that the water providers have.

3616
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:17,760
That's an excellent thing to have. But

3617
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:19,680
there's a lot of other land that belongs

3618
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,479
to the county in those two aquifers that

3619
02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:24,640
are range and grazing lands. And those

3620
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:26,240
are the ones that I'm right now

3621
02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:29,280
concerned with and we'll say there's

3622
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:32,080
some easy fixes to what we should be

3623
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,319
doing and this is just an example of one

3624
02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:38,800
of them. Uh so this land that is uh

3625
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:41,520
range and grazing land that is in those

3626
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:44,960
aquifers I would suggest needs to for

3627
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:49,680
instance strip out the um at least some

3628
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:54,399
of uh the uh uh the conditional uses

3629
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:56,080
that are allowed here are conditional

3630
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,880
uses that are now allowed on that land

3631
02:35:58,880 --> 02:36:01,760
in our sole source aquifers. You could

3632
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:05,920
have an asphalt or concrete batch plant

3633
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,040
in our acryer on range grains and

3634
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:12,000
grazing land production water disposal

3635
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,640
and recycling facilities

3636
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:17,359
waste storage treatment and disposal a

3637
02:36:17,359 --> 02:36:20,080
public landfill. I'll be done fairly

3638
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:22,640
quickly. I think those things shouldn't

3639
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:26,240
be there. And we know that in this state

3640
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:29,280
you have a conditional use. it's very

3641
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:30,800
likely that you're going to have to

3642
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:33,600
approve of that conditional use or

3643
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:36,399
they're going to uh protest that that

3644
02:36:36,399 --> 02:36:38,399
you denied it and they'll get that

3645
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:41,040
conditional use. So, I think the county

3646
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,800
needs to get rid of those conditional

3647
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:45,200
uses, but that's just the kind of start

3648
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:47,680
that I think we need to do and I'd love

3649
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:51,200
us to get to do it as soon as possible

3650
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:55,120
because uh if you zone it, that use may

3651
02:36:55,120 --> 02:37:01,349
be used. Thank you.

3652
02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:03,439
Okay, thank you. Do we have any comments

3653
02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:07,600
on the data center stuff on there?

3654
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:10,080
>> Oh, is it okay if I if I Oh, speak up.

3655
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:13,120
Go ahead. Um, I did contact Andrew

3656
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:14,720
because I do think there's a number of

3657
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:16,800
amendments that have been requested and

3658
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,800
the planning commission, a lot of the

3659
02:37:18,800 --> 02:37:21,200
commissioners goes to amendments. Um,

3660
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:23,120
and I spoke to Andrew and I said, "Well,

3661
02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:24,960
how do you want me to broach that? Do

3662
02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:27,200
you want do you want me to broach it as

3663
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:29,280
a action item? Where do you want me? He

3664
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:31,200
said, I think it's good to be mentioned

3665
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:33,200
here, then I'm not sure how we move

3666
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,520
forward with that. If I if I just

3667
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:38,240
mention it and then I try to at the

3668
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:41,359
action level try to be more specific and

3669
02:37:41,359 --> 02:37:43,439
try to parse them out. I mean, I do

3670
02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:46,240
think we have broken things down where I

3671
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:48,720
use HDHO as an example. I think we went

3672
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:50,960
by and we kind of voted on these little

3673
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:54,160
pieces of that overhaul. And so if you

3674
02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:55,760
guys think that's appropriate, that'd be

3675
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:57,760
great. But I do think there are some men

3676
02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:00,479
amendments that quite a few citizens

3677
02:38:00,479 --> 02:38:03,920
have have conveyed concerns for um and

3678
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:05,600
again some planning commissioners. And

3679
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:07,040
so how do you want me to go about that?

3680
02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:08,479
Do you want me to mention them really

3681
02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:10,479
quick now or do you want me to just

3682
02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:13,439
bring them up? Um what's the best

3683
02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:15,680
avenue?

3684
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:17,359
>> Since this is a public hearing, I think

3685
02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:18,800
that it would be more appropriate to

3686
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:20,960
bring it up when we actually vote on it.

3687
02:38:20,960 --> 02:38:23,760
>> Okay. Um, do you want me to provide

3688
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,800
those to the commission in some manner

3689
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:28,720
like to Andrew so that he can put them

3690
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:32,389
in the packet?

3691
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:34,319
» Maybe might might be the easiest

3692
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:36,399
whenever we have multiple suggestions on

3693
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:38,479
a significant document like this.

3694
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:40,960
>> I encourage a redline version. You could

3695
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:43,920
redline version. Maybe if it's

3696
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:45,840
>> there may be multiple versions if people

3697
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:47,760
don't necessarily agree, but you could

3698
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:50,240
take the document, redline it, and then

3699
02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:51,200
put comments. Okay.

3700
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:52,399
>> Otherwise, it's going to be a nightmare

3701
02:38:52,399 --> 02:38:54,000
to track all

3702
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:56,080
>> change. Yeah. I just wanted to

3703
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:57,760
>> Word document helps

3704
02:38:57,760 --> 02:38:59,840
>> to do that. I could sit to the word doc.

3705
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:01,120
>> Oh, that'd be awesome, Andrew. Thank

3706
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:03,200
you. So, okay, that'd be great. Okay. I

3707
02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:05,520
just wanted to figure out what you guys

3708
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:07,840
wanted to do as far as efficiency.

3709
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:11,040
>> Okay. And maybe just put your comments

3710
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:12,160
in there and you could share it with us

3711
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:13,840
in advance. I wouldn't wouldn't be

3712
02:39:13,840 --> 02:39:15,120
reading at all at the meeting.

3713
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:16,399
>> Yep.

3714
02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:17,920
>> Brian, did you have a comment as well?

3715
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:19,439
>> The end is very similar. So, we're going

3716
02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:23,920
to be then making comments at the next meeting and not at this

3717
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:25,600
meeting because I have quite a few

3718
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:27,040
comments and I think that there's quite

3719
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:29,040
a bit of background that I could provide

3720
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:31,920
right now of where some of the confusion

3721
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:34,080
might be lying in it. I also think that

3722
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:35,760
there is some mistruths that have been

3723
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,840
put out as well that I think that we

3724
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,680
could address tonight or I can address

3725
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:42,560
it at the vote. It's it's it's up to you

3726
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:45,359
John. Why? Because this is a public

3727
02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:47,280
hearing. I think that usually the

3728
02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:49,120
commissioners don't speak that, you

3729
02:39:49,120 --> 02:39:50,479
know, maybe if we have to ask a

3730
02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:53,600
clarifying question, but not a

3731
02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:55,840
deliberation time. And so that is going

3732
02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:57,920
to be the future meeting. But I think if

3733
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:00,319
we have this Google doc that goes

3734
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:01,359
around,

3735
02:40:01,359 --> 02:40:03,200
>> we can add those comments in advance and

3736
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:05,200
that way we kind of have a little bit

3737
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:06,880
and and that will be shared and we'll

3738
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:08,640
all be able to talk about it next week

3739
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:11,439
when we do have a vote. Right. In that

3740
02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:12,720
case, I just want to just make sure that

3741
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,080
we all understand one thing. I'm just

3742
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:15,920
going to read real quick what the water

3743
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:18,720
element is so that we understand what

3744
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:20,800
type of comments really should be made.

3745
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:22,319
And I think that that's really important

3746
02:40:22,319 --> 02:40:24,560
and it's where everybody has been kind

3747
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:27,280
of losing the plot at right here. So,

3748
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:29,760
the water use element should a address

3749
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:32,240
the effect of permitted development or

3750
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,800
patterns of development on water demand

3751
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:38,000
and water infrastructure. B. Methods of

3752
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,319
reducing water demand and per capita

3753
02:40:40,319 --> 02:40:43,760
consumption for future development. C.

3754
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:46,160
Methods of reducing water demand and per

3755
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:48,399
capita consumption for existing

3756
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:51,359
development. And D opportunities for the

3757
02:40:51,359 --> 02:40:54,319
county to modify the county's operations

3758
02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:57,680
or to eliminate practices conditions

3759
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:00,880
that waste water. Right. In drafting the

3760
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:03,200
water use preservation element, the

3761
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:06,319
planning commission shall consider

3762
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:09,359
applicable regional water conservation

3763
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:12,080
goals recommended by the division of

3764
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:16,150
water resources.

3765
02:41:16,160 --> 02:41:18,800
Shall request feedback from the

3766
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:21,840
community water providers about water

3767
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:24,399
supply planning, including drinking

3768
02:41:24,399 --> 02:41:27,680
water source and storage capacity. So I

3769
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:29,040
just wanted to make sure that that was

3770
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:32,080
clear of how that was that was phrased

3771
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:34,479
for for the state element or I'm sorry

3772
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:36,319
from the state when this water element

3773
02:41:36,319 --> 02:41:38,160
cuts.

3774
02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:38,560
>> Okay.

3775
02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:40,319
>> And I'll see my pallets

3776
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:42,399
>> and and can you share that with us?

3777
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:43,840
>> That would be really helpful. Thank you,

3778
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:46,319
Bill. I was gonna suggest that to you.

3779
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:52,870
>> That just the state statute.

3780
02:41:52,880 --> 02:41:55,760
» Okay. Melody, did you know I had my hand

3781
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:57,520
up for public hearing?

3782
02:41:57,520 --> 02:41:59,680
>> I did not see your hand. Sorry. You can

3783
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:01,120
go ahead and come up. I've asked if I

3784
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,520
had my hand multiple times, so I missed

3785
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:07,590
you.

3786
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:09,520
» Ryan, I've read all of that that you

3787
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:12,720
read and that's the minimum. That isn't

3788
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:15,439
the limit of what can go in and should

3789
02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:18,479
go in given that it's our would go in

3790
02:42:18,479 --> 02:42:22,319
our general plan for preservation of

3791
02:42:22,319 --> 02:42:24,160
water. So, let me make that clear.

3792
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:26,240
That's not a misunderstanding

3793
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:29,120
when we bring up climate change.

3794
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:32,080
It's a gap that the state isn't wanting

3795
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:35,520
to face. Thank you. Four water use

3796
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:38,319
amendments are being brought before the

3797
02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:41,280
commission. If they are incorporated in

3798
02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:43,359
the element, they'll show Grand County

3799
02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:46,399
residents that our local government is

3800
02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:48,720
receiving scientific information about

3801
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:52,479
how heat and drought combined to reduce

3802
02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:55,120
natural water supplies and how future

3803
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:58,080
trends can be predicted. It will show

3804
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,399
county residents that this scientific

3805
02:43:00,399 --> 02:43:02,560
information is actually being considered

3806
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:05,920
in land use decisions about the water

3807
02:43:05,920 --> 02:43:09,040
that they depend on now and will depend

3808
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:12,319
on 50 years from now. Without these

3809
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:14,960
amendments, the current draft water use

3810
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:17,760
element element is like the proverbial

3811
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:21,520
monkey. See no climate information, hear

3812
02:43:21,520 --> 02:43:25,040
no climate information, speak no climate

3813
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:26,960
information.

3814
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:28,880
One of the amendments will show that the

3815
02:43:28,880 --> 02:43:30,800
commission understands that the two

3816
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:33,359
aquifers that supply nearly all the

3817
02:43:33,359 --> 02:43:35,760
drinking water we have deserve

3818
02:43:35,760 --> 02:43:39,280
particular attention regarding land use.

3819
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:41,280
And one of the amendments will assure

3820
02:43:41,280 --> 02:43:43,439
county residents that their taxes and

3821
02:43:43,439 --> 02:43:46,160
county work will focus on saving the

3822
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:49,520
finite water sources we have rather than

3823
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:52,240
chasing after water we don't have and

3824
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:55,920
will not have. Only by ignoring climate

3825
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:58,800
science and water law can the county

3826
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:01,359
maintain the fiction that downstream

3827
02:44:01,359 --> 02:44:04,080
users will allow the county to stick its

3828
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:08,080
young spraw into a river that is already

3829
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:12,160
over consumed all the way to Mexico.

3830
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:14,960
Currently, the general plan never

3831
02:44:14,960 --> 02:44:18,000
acknowledges anywhere that the county's

3832
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:21,920
finite water resources could decline due

3833
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:24,479
to insufficient recharge. amid heat and

3834
02:44:24,479 --> 02:44:28,319
drought. Without these a new amendments,

3835
02:44:28,319 --> 02:44:31,040
the message of this water use a element

3836
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:33,680
is this. If you cut back on water in

3837
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:37,600
year and fix some infrastructure leaks,

3838
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:40,720
the county's population can grow 43%

3839
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:44,000
larger supplied by an unchanging amount

3840
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:46,800
of drinking water.

3841
02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:49,200
Commissioner Martinez has stated that

3842
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:52,080
including climate change in our planning

3843
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:56,399
means we're operating out of fear. No,

3844
02:44:56,399 --> 02:44:59,920
it means we're operating out of reality.

3845
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:03,200
If this commission won't ensure us all

3846
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:06,000
that it is operating with reality,

3847
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:08,960
perhaps the next commission will.

3848
02:45:08,960 --> 02:45:12,469
Thank you.

3849
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:14,399
» Can I respond to that?

3850
02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:16,720
>> Sure. I can No, I'm not I'm not going to

3851
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:19,120
have I'm not going to continue to have

3852
02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:21,200
>> this truth spread.

3853
02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:21,760
No,

3854
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:23,920
>> we can't respond to the public during

3855
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:26,000
public hearing.

3856
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:29,120
>> But you can respond to them

3857
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:30,479
>> next to me or send email.

3858
02:45:30,479 --> 02:45:32,080
>> Okay, that's fantastic.

3859
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:34,240
>> Okay. [clears throat]

3860
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:39,030
>> All right. Any other comments?

3861
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:40,560
» Okay,

3862
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:43,359
>> chair. I I would also say that and if

3863
02:45:43,359 --> 02:45:45,439
that's the case that you should also

3864
02:45:45,439 --> 02:45:47,040
make sure that when they come up for

3865
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:48,800
public comment they're not attacking a

3866
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:51,520
commissioner up here on this dis as just

3867
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:52,000
happened.

3868
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:56,160
>> Can I make a comment bill to you? No,

3869
02:45:56,160 --> 02:45:59,040
>> I have in my tenure as a commissioner

3870
02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:01,680
been attacked.

3871
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:03,680
Just

3872
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:05,840
been attacked. I mean, at one point

3873
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:07,680
threatened, you know, told, "Pick your

3874
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:09,439
head up and look at me." as somebody was

3875
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:11,600
pointing their finger at me. It's this

3876
02:46:11,600 --> 02:46:14,399
is a part of our gig. This is a part of

3877
02:46:14,399 --> 02:46:17,120
our service. We don't please everybody.

3878
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:19,840
And when pe, you know, we all take it.

3879
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,800
I've taken it. It's not very fun, but it

3880
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:25,200
is just a part of our citizenry being

3881
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:27,359
able to speak to us.

3882
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:29,279
>> It is. I think that it's something that

3883
02:46:29,279 --> 02:46:31,200
we need to talk about. It's the decor

3884
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:34,240
that everyone needs to in this this

3885
02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:35,680
room. You need to speak to each other

3886
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:38,240
nicely, not call each other out. That

3887
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:40,479
goes for the public as as well as the

3888
02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:42,720
commissioners. So, everybody can just be

3889
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:44,720
nice to each other. Then we would get we

3890
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:47,200
get along. But that doesn't happen. And

3891
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:48,960
I don't like to be the referee about it.

3892
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:51,200
So, if people can be nice and keep their

3893
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:53,279
comments nice, I would I would

3894
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:54,880
appreciate it.

3895
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:56,640
>> I just wanted to point out the president

3896
02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:58,240
that was set earlier at the meeting when

3897
02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:00,240
we responded to public comment over a

3898
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:02,640
grandma request. So, that privilege was

3899
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:04,240
offered to the county attorney and I'm

3900
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:05,600
being denied. So, I just want to point

3901
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:08,240
that out.

3902
02:47:08,240 --> 02:47:10,720
>> Okay.

3903
02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:13,680
Do we have any more uh public comment on

3904
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:16,240
this item? Water use and preservation

3905
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:18,640
element for general mass.

3906
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:20,160
>> And I can forward you the comment that

3907
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:23,120
received to the planet.

3908
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:25,600
>> Okay. So this written comments will be

3909
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:27,279
accepted until 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday,

3910
02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:30,319
July 17th. In the packet, sorry, July

3911
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:32,000
15th. In the packet, it does say July

3912
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:34,000
17th.

3913
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:36,080
>> I just gonna just clarify that. All

3914
02:47:36,080 --> 02:47:38,880
right. So our next um order of business

3915
02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:40,960
is that data center temporary land use

3916
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:42,800
regulation. We're not having this as a

3917
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:44,000
public hearing. Yes.

3918
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:46,800
>> Did we open the public hearing on the

3919
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:47,920
water element?

3920
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:48,720
>> Yes. Yes.

3921
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:49,760
>> Okay.

3922
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:51,600
>> Thanks for your work on that.

3923
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:53,520
>> Yes, we did.

3924
02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:56,240
>> Okay. So I don't know if you wanted to

3925
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,000
speak to the data center. We should just

3926
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:04,630
wait until our public uh until item.

3927
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:04,960
Yeah,

3928
02:48:04,960 --> 02:48:06,960
>> it's number 15. It's the ordinance.

3929
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:09,840
We'll just speak to it then.

3930
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:11,760
>> Okay. Unless unless there's anyone in

3931
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:13,760
the public that wants to come right now,

3932
02:48:13,760 --> 02:48:16,399
it will be

3933
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:18,240
>> since it was listed as a public hearing.

3934
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:20,160
We're allow comments.

3935
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:24,389
>> It doesn't have

3936
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:26,720
good comment, Mary.

3937
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:28,080
>> Did you want to comment on the data

3938
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:28,880
center, Mary?

3939
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:31,359
>> A data center. Yeah. [laughter]

3940
02:48:31,359 --> 02:48:37,910
>> Okay.

3941
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:42,000
I I sense that there is um a great will

3942
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:44,560
to have a moratorium on the data center

3943
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:47,200
for six months. My question is what is

3944
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:50,399
the process during the next six months

3945
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:53,120
in terms of public input

3946
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:56,080
in terms of process because

3947
02:48:56,080 --> 02:48:58,720
process is so often lacking with this

3948
02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:03,520
commission. And so if if if

3949
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:07,200
instituting a moratorum the commission

3950
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:10,800
can state how are we going to decide

3951
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:14,800
whether to have a data center at all or

3952
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:18,479
how are we going to get input on what

3953
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:21,439
kind of data center. So I would

3954
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:24,319
appreciate if the commission would state

3955
02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:27,359
proactively what the public process is

3956
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:29,920
going to be during that six months of

3957
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:32,080
moratorum.

3958
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:35,910
Thank you.

3959
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:39,750
Okay. Any other comments?

3960
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:42,399
» All right. I think I had a request by

3961
02:49:42,399 --> 02:49:44,640
the county attorney to

3962
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:46,560
>> go back to the land use code audit

3963
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:48,960
signings. He has some comments. Just

3964
02:49:48,960 --> 02:49:50,880
noting there was uh some comments made

3965
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:54,537
by the director that kind of made um I

3966
02:49:54,537 --> 02:49:55,920
[clears throat] just wanted to clean up

3967
02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:57,760
the contract. The countyy's already

3968
02:49:57,760 --> 02:49:59,439
engaged in a contract with this vendor.

3969
02:49:59,439 --> 02:50:01,120
It was already phase one and two

3970
02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:02,640
tonight. We weren't making an action

3971
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:05,120
item. There wasn't any agreement to to

3972
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:06,479
make an action item. It's already been

3973
02:50:06,479 --> 02:50:09,120
budgeted for. It's 45,000. Um and it's

3974
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:10,560
not to exceed that amount. There was

3975
02:50:10,560 --> 02:50:12,240
just kind of the inquiry whether the

3976
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:13,520
commission wanted to continue with that.

3977
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:14,880
wasn't on the table. It's not an

3978
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:17,279
option. We already have a contract. So

3979
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:19,359
you want to keep

3980
02:50:19,359 --> 02:50:21,840
>> it's 45 for the next for the second and

3981
02:50:21,840 --> 02:50:23,279
then 20 for the first.

3982
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:23,920
>> Okay. Sorry.

3983
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:26,080
>> I just it just came off a little odd and

3984
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:28,000
so then pull the contract and it's been

3985
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:30,560
signed and executed by

3986
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:31,040
>> Cool.

3987
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:34,319
>> Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

3988
02:50:34,319 --> 02:50:38,160
>> All right. We're going to move on to our

3989
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:39,920
>> Yes,

3990
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:42,240
>> we're not there yet.

3991
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:44,000
>> General business action items discussion

3992
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:45,600
and consideration for approval. So,

3993
02:50:45,600 --> 02:50:46,640
number five, commission member

3994
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:48,319
disclosures and future considerations.

3995
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:49,920
Go ahead, Mike.

3996
02:50:49,920 --> 02:50:52,240
>> Uh, two for here. My wife works for the

3997
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:53,920
county uh for the sheriff's department

3998
02:50:53,920 --> 02:50:57,520
and future considerations. Uh, we're

3999
02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:00,240
already taking steps in the later part

4000
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:04,160
of the agenda on the

4001
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:06,319
uh commission chair's priority statement

4002
02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:08,880
uh looking towards uh OSA developments.

4003
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:11,359
So, uh that is my future consideration

4004
02:51:11,359 --> 02:51:14,000
is taking a more of a look at that. But

4005
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:16,160
thanks

4006
02:51:16,160 --> 02:51:18,560
Mary,

4007
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:21,520
>> it might be premature, but and I I

4008
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:23,920
apologize because this is my mistake as

4009
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:26,720
well as under this bill brought up in

4010
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:29,359
the last meeting at some point that

4011
02:51:29,359 --> 02:51:32,000
we're supposed to individually vote off

4012
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:35,760
bills. So, I'm requesting that we owe

4013
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:39,520
item B from the consent agenda as

4014
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:40,080
>> Oh, got it.

4015
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:41,840
>> Roll call vote.

4016
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:43,359
Yeah, we got clarification from the

4017
02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:44,720
county attorney that we do not have to

4018
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:45,520
do that.

4019
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:47,200
>> Oh, okay. I didn't get that.

4020
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:48,800
>> That was an email to all of us.

4021
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,279
>> Well, I must not have read that email or

4022
02:51:51,279 --> 02:51:52,479
read it poorly. So,

4023
02:51:52,479 --> 02:51:54,560
>> yeah. So, we don't have to do that. No,

4024
02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:56,640
it's up to the chair if they want to do

4025
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:59,680
roll votes on anything that has a

4026
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:00,560
monetary value.

4027
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:03,359
>> So, I missed that email or just skimmed

4028
02:52:03,359 --> 02:52:05,439
over it. It's Yeah. Thank you.

4029
02:52:05,439 --> 02:52:07,359
>> Okay. Thank you. So, we did not change

4030
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:08,960
that part in the policies and procedures

4031
02:52:08,960 --> 02:52:10,960
that are going to be later on.

4032
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:13,520
>> I was just I goofed. I thought I goofed

4033
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:15,840
during agenda review. So,

4034
02:52:15,840 --> 02:52:17,840
>> you're good. So, are you okay to leave

4035
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:18,720
on here or do you want

4036
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:20,479
>> Yes, I'm fine.

4037
02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:23,439
>> All right. Any other um commission

4038
02:52:23,439 --> 02:52:24,640
member disclosures and future

4039
02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:26,560
considerations? Go ahead, Trish.

4040
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:28,160
>> Debating this one, but I'm going to say

4041
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:33,600
it. So, I I appreciate the earlier um

4042
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:36,560
tribute to the firefighters that have

4043
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:38,319
been working so hard, but I I want to

4044
02:52:38,319 --> 02:52:39,920
make a comment about the last commission

4045
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:41,840
meeting that I missed. I think we just

4046
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:44,800
have to be very careful about who we pay

4047
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:47,359
tribute to in this commission. In the

4048
02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:49,439
past, I have acknowledged the legislator

4049
02:52:49,439 --> 02:52:51,359
that was murdered in Minnesota. I

4050
02:52:51,359 --> 02:52:53,120
acknowledge the mayor that was killed in

4051
02:52:53,120 --> 02:52:55,279
Green River. Um I think we have to be

4052
02:52:55,279 --> 02:52:58,080
very careful. We pay tribute to an

4053
02:52:58,080 --> 02:52:59,840
individual that passed away in our

4054
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:02,479
community. We have it happen

4055
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:05,200
like two times a week and we have

4056
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:08,560
amazing individuals that we lose weekly.

4057
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:13,279
Um and it was very very hard not only

4058
02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:15,920
for myself to hear that but a lot of

4059
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:20,640
other individuals that that um that that

4060
02:53:20,640 --> 02:53:22,399
person

4061
02:53:22,399 --> 02:53:24,880
um caused a great amount of pain to. And

4062
02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:27,359
so I I just hope that in the future we

4063
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:29,760
use a lot of discretion acknowledging

4064
02:53:29,760 --> 02:53:32,800
who we tribute pay tribute to because it

4065
02:53:32,800 --> 02:53:35,600
was it was very disturbing to me and

4066
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:40,640
other people and so quite hurtful and I appreciate chair mccandless

4067
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:43,120
acknowledging that when I sent that out.

4068
02:53:43,120 --> 02:53:50,389
Um I appreciate that. Thank you.

4069
02:53:50,399 --> 02:53:50,800
» Okay.

4070
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:52,720
>> Yep. So, because the close session

4071
02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:54,399
concerning character and competence

4072
02:53:54,399 --> 02:53:56,240
involves the evaluation of the county

4073
02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:58,399
administrator who is a codefendant with

4074
02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:00,800
me in active litigation and because the

4075
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:02,800
discussion may impact defense or

4076
02:54:02,800 --> 02:54:04,960
settlement strategies, I'm declaring a

4077
02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:07,520
conflict of interest. Also, because the

4078
02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:09,200
upcoming discussion involves a

4079
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:11,520
performance evaluation intertwined with

4080
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:13,920
inner uh with active litigation, any

4081
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:15,760
commissioner who is a plaintiff suing

4082
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,720
the county or any named defendant has a

4083
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:21,200
direct personal conflict must make a

4084
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:24,309
disclosure.

4085
02:54:24,319 --> 02:54:26,960
» Okay,

4086
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:27,840
>> Bill.

4087
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:30,560
>> Yeah, I I have the same conflict. I have

4088
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:32,720
a conflict of interest due to my being a

4089
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:34,880
defendant in active litigation against

4090
02:54:34,880 --> 02:54:37,840
Grand County, myself, administrator

4091
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:40,240
Tiner, and one other commissioner

4092
02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:42,720
previously mentioned as well as the HR

4093
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:45,520
department.

4094
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:46,960
>> Mike, did I see another hand up?

4095
02:54:46,960 --> 02:54:48,560
>> Oh, we're good. I'm not in that one.

4096
02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:50,560
>> Okay. Um Larry,

4097
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:53,200
>> I just want some clarification. To me,

4098
02:54:53,200 --> 02:54:56,000
it's a discussion on getting an

4099
02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:58,960
evaluation done, not on a parent or a

4100
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:01,920
person who involve litigation. It's more

4101
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:06,960
of a process that uh of a

4102
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:08,640
something that needs, you know, that is

4103
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:10,479
in our policies that has to happen

4104
02:55:10,479 --> 02:55:13,279
yearly. And so, I don't see we can go

4105
02:55:13,279 --> 02:55:15,279
into close session for a policy issue

4106
02:55:15,279 --> 02:55:17,040
then. Um, we just have to discuss it in

4107
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:17,920
open session.

4108
02:55:17,920 --> 02:55:18,479
>> Should we do that?

4109
02:55:18,479 --> 02:55:19,840
>> Yeah,

4110
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:21,520
>> if that's what it is. I don't I was

4111
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:23,520
unclear, you know, I just get a comment

4112
02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:25,439
of it. So, if you guys want to talk

4113
02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:27,120
about that in the end of our

4114
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:30,000
discussions, okay, that'd be great.

4115
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:30,479
>> Mike,

4116
02:55:30,479 --> 02:55:33,520
>> that's if if you're if we were to go

4117
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:35,279
into close session, everyone would have

4118
02:55:35,279 --> 02:55:38,080
to disclose. I think we're okay.

4119
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:39,840
>> Just make it an open session discussion.

4120
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:40,880
That's great.

4121
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:42,720
>> Yeah. I mean, we can't go into close s

4122
02:55:42,720 --> 02:55:43,520
if it's not a

4123
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:44,479
>> You're right. You're right.

4124
02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:45,920
>> If it's not a

4125
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:47,760
>> You're right. Yeah. If it's just a

4126
02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:49,760
policy thing to discuss, then we will

4127
02:55:49,760 --> 02:55:51,600
just discuss it. Let's go at the end of

4128
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:53,520
agenda like it's going to be and we'll

4129
02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:56,000
talk about it then. Okay. Thanks.

4130
02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:58,000
>> All right.

4131
02:55:58,000 --> 02:55:59,920
So, moving forward with any other

4132
02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:01,600
>> We want to just move that up to the up

4133
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:03,439
to the beginning right now where we're

4134
02:56:03,439 --> 02:56:03,680
at.

4135
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:06,080
>> Oh, let's there's people waiting here

4136
02:56:06,080 --> 02:56:08,319
for uh things to go.

4137
02:56:08,319 --> 02:56:10,080
>> Well, it's all at the close session then

4138
02:56:10,080 --> 02:56:13,520
we don't need to we can just talk about

4139
02:56:13,520 --> 02:56:15,120
it.

4140
02:56:15,120 --> 02:56:18,720
Um, I also wanted to I know Andrew asked

4141
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:22,240
that we have a workshop to discuss the

4142
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:23,840
development agreement for the city water

4143
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:25,520
tank. And I know there's been citizens

4144
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:26,880
wondering about that. We had it on our

4145
02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:28,720
agenda. We took it off. It wasn't ready.

4146
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:31,520
And so it must not it must need some

4147
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:33,920
information from us. So we could

4148
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:35,760
possibly I will be gone at that next

4149
02:56:35,760 --> 02:56:39,920
meeting. Um I I will be zooming in. So I

4150
02:56:39,920 --> 02:56:41,279
might just check and see if it's the

4151
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:43,600
best time to have it. I I can zoom in.

4152
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:46,560
I'll be driving. Um, but that is a

4153
02:56:46,560 --> 02:56:48,160
future consideration have workshops. So,

4154
02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:49,680
just like so that people know that that

4155
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:51,120
is still in the works. It hasn't just

4156
02:56:51,120 --> 02:56:53,439
disappeared. Thank you.

4157
02:56:53,439 --> 02:56:57,040
>> All right. And we will move on to the

4158
02:56:57,040 --> 02:57:00,000
approval of consent agenda items. The

4159
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:01,520
approval. So, A is the approval of

4160
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:05,520
meeting minutes for June 16th, 2026.

4161
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:07,840
Ratification of payment of bills. Total

4162
02:57:07,840 --> 02:57:13,110
bills of1,837,358.35.

4163
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:18,309
Total payroll of $169,176

4164
02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:20,479
$677.18.

4165
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:26,950
Pillow bills and payroll of 2,6,5253.

4166
02:57:26,960 --> 02:57:29,040
C is the ratification of local consent

4167
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:30,880
alcohol permits for the MA music

4168
02:57:30,880 --> 02:57:33,200
festival venues and there is seven of

4169
02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:36,720
those. The ratification of Utah wildfire

4170
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:39,680
resources between the Utah Division of

4171
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:42,399
Forestry, Fire and State Lands and Grant

4172
02:57:42,399 --> 02:57:45,120
County Roads. Ratification of amended

4173
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:48,800
assignments order for all American Wash

4174
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:50,399
EWP.

4175
02:57:50,399 --> 02:57:52,560
F is ratification of contract with Utah

4176
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:55,600
State Courts for bailiff services. G is

4177
02:57:55,600 --> 02:57:57,359
ratification of backho rear end

4178
02:57:57,359 --> 02:58:00,240
emergency purchase. H ratification of

4179
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:02,880
monument replacement grant application.

4180
02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:04,960
I is the ratification of signatures on

4181
02:58:04,960 --> 02:58:07,439
equipment transfer records and J is

4182
02:58:07,439 --> 02:58:09,760
ratification of signature on 2026

4183
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:11,680
participation equipment for cooperative

4184
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:14,399
wildfire systems.

4185
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:18,399
A grant funded ITA for 150 foot trail

4186
02:58:18,399 --> 02:58:22,000
section at Blood Springs. LF uh the

4187
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:24,479
fiscal year 27 invasive species

4188
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:26,319
mitigation grant the Utah Department of

4189
02:58:26,319 --> 02:58:30,080
Agriculture and Food Groups Department.

4190
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:32,479
M is the sovereign lands general permit

4191
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:36,160
for the highway 128 bike path and N is a

4192
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:38,000
renewal of Grand County property lease

4193
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:41,120
with solid waste SSD number one.

4194
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:44,000
>> Mike moved. I'll second.

4195
02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:46,000
>> All right. All in favor?

4196
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,720
>> I

4197
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:51,600
>> Oh, as I said,

4198
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:55,120
>> that passes six with one absence.

4199
02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:56,479
>> That was an I for me.

4200
02:58:56,479 --> 02:58:59,600
>> Thank you, Jacqu. I did that.

4201
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:01,120
Okay, moving on to number seven.

4202
02:59:01,120 --> 02:59:03,520
Allocation of the secure rural schools

4203
02:59:03,520 --> 02:59:06,640
act payment fiscal year 2026 commission

4204
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:07,920
administration mark.

4205
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,560
>> Yes, chair. This would be for a title

4206
02:59:10,560 --> 02:59:13,760
one designation uh which would share a

4207
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:17,670
total amount of $22,72846

4208
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:20,880
and would be uh distributed to schools

4209
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:24,000
and roads.

4210
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26,000
>> Okay, Mike. I move to approve the share

4211
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,000
of the state payment SRS of

4212
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:30,399
approximately $22,700

4213
02:59:30,399 --> 02:59:34,080
with 100 with 100% of the funding to be

4214
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:37,040
directed as 50% to public roads and 50%

4215
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:40,479
to schools under title one.

4216
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:42,160
>> Okay.

4217
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:46,950
Second. All right. Any discussion?

4218
02:59:46,960 --> 02:59:49,200
And all in favor?

4219
02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:50,160
I.

4220
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:52,640
>> All right. That passes 61 with one

4221
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:55,600
absent.

4222
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:58,399
Number eight is the support of the 8th

4223
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:01,120
annual Moab art trails. I'll let

4224
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:04,560
Commissioner talk about it.

4225
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:06,240
Hopefully, we've made this short. It's

4226
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:09,760
been a long week already. Uh uh since

4227
03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:13,439
the arts trail has begun, it has given

4228
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:16,160
us $119,000

4229
03:00:16,160 --> 03:00:19,439
worth of public arts. And it has brought

4230
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:21,840
people into the community. It's

4231
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:24,960
beautified our community and I think it

4232
03:00:24,960 --> 03:00:27,040
was through wording

4233
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:30,000
uh that could simply be changed that it

4234
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:34,000
was taken away from our practical impact

4235
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:39,200
uh funding and uh it is at risk of not

4236
03:00:39,200 --> 03:00:43,439
continuing. And so I am requesting that

4237
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:47,520
we I recommend that we uh move to

4238
03:00:47,520 --> 03:00:51,120
approve the $10,000 to make sure this

4239
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:54,319
grant continues. There's lots of great

4240
03:00:54,319 --> 03:00:57,359
information in the packet. Christy and

4241
03:00:57,359 --> 03:01:01,335
Grace are here. Oh, shoot. Sorry, Mike.

4242
03:01:01,335 --> 03:01:02,560
[laughter]

4243
03:01:02,560 --> 03:01:06,000
uh and I want to acknowledge them

4244
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:09,760
because this is uh the work that has

4245
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:14,800
gone into making this go on since 201 15

4246
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:19,840
11 years has been solely a act of heart

4247
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:22,640
for them. They have given hundreds and

4248
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:25,439
hundreds of hours to this. They have

4249
03:01:25,439 --> 03:01:28,080
dedicated their time and energy. they

4250
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:30,880
are not receiving any financial benefit

4251
03:01:30,880 --> 03:01:34,399
for doing all of this great work which I

4252
03:01:34,399 --> 03:01:36,319
think is

4253
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:39,600
significantly helps our community and

4254
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:42,479
its aesthetics.

4255
03:01:42,479 --> 03:01:45,520
So with that I'll make a motion. I move

4256
03:01:45,520 --> 03:01:49,040
to approve the allocation of 10,000

4257
03:01:49,040 --> 03:01:53,120
uh dollars for the 8th annual art trail

4258
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:57,439
fund 2,000 approp reappropriated

4259
03:01:57,439 --> 03:01:59,840
from the commissioner's travel budget

4260
03:01:59,840 --> 03:02:03,760
and 8,000 from the commission.

4261
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:04,399
>> Okay,

4262
03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:06,160
>> I'll second that. Melody,

4263
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:08,479
>> I think Mike had a

4264
03:02:08,479 --> 03:02:09,120
>> discussion.

4265
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:10,479
Okay, so we got a second

4266
03:02:10,479 --> 03:02:12,880
Jacques and then we'll go ahead and have

4267
03:02:12,880 --> 03:02:14,319
Mike go ahead.

4268
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:17,200
>> Uh

4269
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:19,600
love this uh the art trails project. I

4270
03:02:19,600 --> 03:02:24,000
would love to allocate 10,000 out of uh

4271
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,960
general fund, but reappropriating $2,000

4272
03:02:26,960 --> 03:02:29,680
from Commissioner Began's travel budget.

4273
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:31,600
uh

4274
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:33,359
you can reappropriate that to general

4275
03:02:33,359 --> 03:02:37,760
fund uh if if unused, but using that as

4276
03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:41,200
a discretionary fund is is it's not the

4277
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:43,359
good not a good source of or shouldn't

4278
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:46,880
be used as the source of uh look where

4279
03:02:46,880 --> 03:02:49,359
money should come from for this project.

4280
03:02:49,359 --> 03:02:51,920
Uh other than that, I you totally have

4281
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:55,200
my vote for doing it, but where the

4282
03:02:55,200 --> 03:03:00,950
money is coming from is not not

4283
03:03:00,960 --> 03:03:02,880
a good reappropriation of funding.

4284
03:03:02,880 --> 03:03:06,000
>> Like I think for because it was not this

4285
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:08,640
is out of budget expense and so for it

4286
03:03:08,640 --> 03:03:10,319
to come out of the discretionary is a

4287
03:03:10,319 --> 03:03:12,479
cleaner way. So the discretionary money

4288
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:14,800
came out of the general fund and so if

4289
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:16,479
we take it out of discretionary it's

4290
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,640
just a cleaner way to instead of adding

4291
03:03:18,640 --> 03:03:20,880
a line ite to line item to our budget

4292
03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:22,880
and putting it in there um it's a

4293
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:26,560
cleaner way of of um keeping our books

4294
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:29,359
and you know Mary our travel is actually

4295
03:03:29,359 --> 03:03:31,279
our own discretionary money we can spend

4296
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:32,560
it we don't have to just spend it on

4297
03:03:32,560 --> 03:03:35,680
travel we can spend it on books for the

4298
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:36,720
library if we wanted

4299
03:03:36,720 --> 03:03:39,040
>> why wouldn't we use the full 10,000 from

4300
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:40,479
discretionary funds why would we use

4301
03:03:40,479 --> 03:03:44,000
2,000 from specific travel

4302
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,640
Mary wants to speak to that but so but

4303
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:49,439
at our budget um in the next two weeks

4304
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:50,960
we're going to be our budget hearing is

4305
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:52,800
going to be open next one and then we

4306
03:03:52,800 --> 03:03:54,720
are going to be approving it and so if

4307
03:03:54,720 --> 03:03:56,160
we want to add some more money to our

4308
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:58,880
discretionary from our general fund at

4309
03:03:58,880 --> 03:04:00,800
that time to cover anything that might

4310
03:04:00,800 --> 03:04:02,319
come up is just it's just the cleanest

4311
03:04:02,319 --> 03:04:04,160
way to cover it so it's all coming out

4312
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:06,080
of our general fund anyways but it's

4313
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:08,160
just easier way to allocate those funds

4314
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:11,120
if we put it out of discretionary

4315
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:13,359
So, and I think that Bill, did you have

4316
03:04:13,359 --> 03:04:15,840
a hand up? Mary has her hand up. And

4317
03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:16,960
also,

4318
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:19,200
>> I would just give a note a point. Any of

4319
03:04:19,200 --> 03:04:20,399
the funds that are in your GU's

4320
03:04:20,399 --> 03:04:21,920
individual discretionary funds or your

4321
03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:23,760
funds to do whatever you want with, I

4322
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:25,920
mean, within reason, government use,

4323
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:27,840
etc. However, you don't need a vote from

4324
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:29,760
anybody else. So, if you wanted to put X

4325
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:30,560
amount of money from your own

4326
03:04:30,560 --> 03:04:32,240
discretionary fund, you could do do that

4327
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:34,479
without any vote from anybody else. I

4328
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:36,479
was just noting that if you wanted to

4329
03:04:36,479 --> 03:04:38,319
subject that to a vote of other

4330
03:04:38,319 --> 03:04:40,160
commissioners, you theoretically could.

4331
03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:42,000
Um, but I don't think it's necessary. I

4332
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:43,040
think one can do with their

4333
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:43,840
discretionary fun.

4334
03:04:43,840 --> 03:04:45,279
>> Thought it was a way to let people know

4335
03:04:45,279 --> 03:04:46,319
where it was coming from.

4336
03:04:46,319 --> 03:04:46,560
>> Sure.

4337
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:48,240
>> And I and I do think that you could you

4338
03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:50,000
could make a statement you're going to

4339
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:52,000
give $2,000 of your discretionary funds

4340
03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:55,279
to it and then do do the rest however

4341
03:04:55,279 --> 03:04:58,870
you'd like.

4342
03:04:58,880 --> 03:05:01,439
» So I guess then why is it called a

4343
03:05:01,439 --> 03:05:03,439
travel budget? because we do have a lot

4344
03:05:03,439 --> 03:05:05,600
of attack here from commissioners about

4345
03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:08,080
a travel budget. So that that's a

4346
03:05:08,080 --> 03:05:10,080
question and then I um I actually want

4347
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:14,710
to make a substitute motion.

4348
03:05:14,720 --> 03:05:16,720
» Well, if if you guys if you want to

4349
03:05:16,720 --> 03:05:20,080
relabel our discretionary budget to each

4350
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:21,760
commissioner, but right now it's a

4351
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:23,680
travel budget. So I'm in agreement with

4352
03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:26,080
Mike, but I think that I'd like to make

4353
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:28,000
a substitute motion that we just take it

4354
03:05:28,000 --> 03:05:30,000
all out of discretionary. then there

4355
03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:33,040
isn't this back and forth and we move on

4356
03:05:33,040 --> 03:05:36,319
and we get the art.

4357
03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:38,720
I'm I'm just noting that if it's if it's

4358
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:40,000
something that you guys have the ability

4359
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:42,399
to have for discretion. I mean it's

4360
03:05:42,399 --> 03:05:44,640
marked within an account for particular

4361
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:48,080
use if it's not utilized as m as uh the

4362
03:05:48,080 --> 03:05:49,920
chair had said and as Mike had said if

4363
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:51,040
you don't utilize it drops to the

4364
03:05:51,040 --> 03:05:53,439
general um I think it's sixes however

4365
03:05:53,439 --> 03:05:55,600
you guys want want to do it I don't have

4366
03:05:55,600 --> 03:05:57,120
>> Mary are you fine with it just all

4367
03:05:57,120 --> 03:05:59,920
coming out of the discretionary

4368
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:04,560
>> I want to make a comment we last year

4369
03:06:04,560 --> 03:06:08,000
we I uh a number of commissioners gave

4370
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:11,520
discretionary fund to help get

4371
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:18,150
a trail ambassador program put into a

4372
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:21,279
» a nonprofit and nobody nobody even

4373
03:06:21,279 --> 03:06:23,120
thought anything of that. The year

4374
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:25,840
before I think I had the discretionary

4375
03:06:25,840 --> 03:06:28,560
fund. I used it for I didn't have as

4376
03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:30,479
much money in my budget because I was

4377
03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:32,319
traveling a lot more the following year,

4378
03:06:32,319 --> 03:06:35,040
but I had like $1,000 and I said, I'd

4379
03:06:35,040 --> 03:06:39,680
like to use that $1,000 for and and I

4380
03:06:39,680 --> 03:06:42,720
I'm just confused. I don't, you know,

4381
03:06:42,720 --> 03:06:45,040
it's all in it's all coming from the

4382
03:06:45,040 --> 03:06:47,359
same place eventually. So, I I guess I

4383
03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:50,080
don't care. I just am very confused as

4384
03:06:50,080 --> 03:06:52,960
to why this has become an issue this

4385
03:06:52,960 --> 03:06:55,920
year when it's been happening for the

4386
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:58,640
last since I have been a commissioner.

4387
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:00,399
>> Well, I don't think it's an issue. I was

4388
03:07:00,399 --> 03:07:02,160
just trying to find a bridge and be done

4389
03:07:02,160 --> 03:07:04,240
with it and move on. But

4390
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:08,139
>> I the other benefit if if Mary's

4391
03:07:08,139 --> 03:07:09,040
[clears throat] saying, "Hey, I'm going

4392
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:10,319
to have to use this on my travel

4393
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:12,080
account." the rest of you should say

4394
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:14,479
that's that's great because that takes

4395
03:07:14,479 --> 03:07:16,080
it away from her ability to use it for

4396
03:07:16,080 --> 03:07:17,760
travel and she's sacrificing that

4397
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:19,359
amount. Do whatever you want with it. If

4398
03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:20,800
you guys don't take it out of her

4399
03:07:20,800 --> 03:07:22,160
account that's been allocated to her

4400
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:24,479
expenditure that's just

4401
03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:26,399
>> I think it's sixth in the end.

4402
03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:27,359
>> Trish has a comment.

4403
03:07:27,359 --> 03:07:29,120
>> Yeah, I'm on too. You're right.

4404
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:32,000
>> Um just really quick, I I I am fully in

4405
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:34,720
support of this and thank you to so much

4406
03:07:34,720 --> 03:07:36,560
for all that you've done. I just want to

4407
03:07:36,560 --> 03:07:38,240
return to the trail to tomorrow. I don't

4408
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,960
want that document to die because I I

4409
03:07:40,960 --> 03:07:42,399
actually dove back in it today and

4410
03:07:42,399 --> 03:07:44,160
there's so much in there that we talk

4411
03:07:44,160 --> 03:07:47,120
about all the time. So I I do want to

4412
03:07:47,120 --> 03:07:49,439
keep that document vibrant. One of the

4413
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:51,760
concepts that it talks about is pathways

4414
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:53,680
forward. And a few things that I wanted

4415
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,760
to point out. It said encourage creative

4416
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:57,279
hubs,

4417
03:07:57,279 --> 03:08:00,080
fund initiatives to expand the county's

4418
03:08:00,080 --> 03:08:02,880
art culture and then integrate art into

4419
03:08:02,880 --> 03:08:05,040
our public spaces. and that you know so

4420
03:08:05,040 --> 03:08:07,200
these are these are all things that it

4421
03:08:07,200 --> 03:08:10,080
does and I fully support Mary using her

4422
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:12,880
travel budget to support this initiative

4423
03:08:12,880 --> 03:08:16,630
if it's I don't [clears throat]

4424
03:08:16,640 --> 03:08:18,479
I'm probably going to want to

4425
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:20,640
>> yeah just real quick I think that we

4426
03:08:20,640 --> 03:08:22,399
find all seven commissioners up here

4427
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:25,120
they'll completely support that

4428
03:08:25,120 --> 03:08:27,439
completely support the arts so I mean I

4429
03:08:27,439 --> 03:08:28,960
think that's the that's that's the most

4430
03:08:28,960 --> 03:08:31,040
important thing I will say that that

4431
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:32,479
last year we had the same exact

4432
03:08:32,479 --> 03:08:34,960
conversation during dark skies and using

4433
03:08:34,960 --> 03:08:37,600
our travel budgets to to fight the dark

4434
03:08:37,600 --> 03:08:39,920
skies. So, it this has been going on at

4435
03:08:39,920 --> 03:08:41,359
least since I've been a commissioner

4436
03:08:41,359 --> 03:08:44,000
before. And I do think that that

4437
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:45,279
>> if we're going to call it a travel

4438
03:08:45,279 --> 03:08:46,960
budget, it should be a travel budget and

4439
03:08:46,960 --> 03:08:48,800
it should be used to travel. I mean, I

4440
03:08:48,800 --> 03:08:50,960
can see two two pieces of legislation

4441
03:08:50,960 --> 03:08:52,800
and policy that was brought up today

4442
03:08:52,800 --> 03:08:54,479
that was due to us going out and

4443
03:08:54,479 --> 03:08:56,720
traveling. Either a bringing money back

4444
03:08:56,720 --> 03:08:59,520
here or b finding out policy and what we

4445
03:08:59,520 --> 03:09:00,960
need to do to have resolutions and

4446
03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:03,200
ordinances. So that that money does have

4447
03:09:03,200 --> 03:09:04,720
a purpose. It's not it's not

4448
03:09:04,720 --> 03:09:07,040
discretionary fund. We have an account.

4449
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:09,359
It's called discretionary fund, right?

4450
03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:10,640
There were actually some commissioners

4451
03:09:10,640 --> 03:09:12,160
that said that at the beginning or at

4452
03:09:12,160 --> 03:09:14,080
the budget season that we should not

4453
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:16,479
have a discretionary fund. I'm totally

4454
03:09:16,479 --> 03:09:18,160
fine with the discretionary fund. And I

4455
03:09:18,160 --> 03:09:19,840
think that that this is a great example

4456
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:21,840
of what our discretionary fund should be

4457
03:09:21,840 --> 03:09:23,680
used for, but let's just make sure that

4458
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:25,840
we're using the right accounts. And you

4459
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:28,000
know, I'm and I just I guess I'm just

4460
03:09:28,000 --> 03:09:30,240
preempting a you know, attack on on

4461
03:09:30,240 --> 03:09:31,920
travel budgets because when we do

4462
03:09:31,920 --> 03:09:33,840
travel, we do bring back things for this

4463
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:35,680
community. And some of us commissioners

4464
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:37,600
have the time and are able to do it and

4465
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:40,880
others aren't. And there isn't any um

4466
03:09:40,880 --> 03:09:42,720
you know stubbing our nose at at the

4467
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:44,319
folks that aren't able to travel. But

4468
03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:45,439
I'd like to make sure that travel

4469
03:09:45,439 --> 03:09:47,600
budgets are used for travel and that our

4470
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:49,359
discretionary funds are used for great

4471
03:09:49,359 --> 03:09:52,000
projects like this.

4472
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:53,760
>> But I hope the budget just has our names

4473
03:09:53,760 --> 03:09:56,560
on it. saying this is county commission

4474
03:09:56,560 --> 03:09:58,160
and each of our names are listed in

4475
03:09:58,160 --> 03:09:59,680
there with money. So I don't know that

4476
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:01,600
it's specific to travel and this has

4477
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:02,560
been happening since I've been a

4478
03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:04,080
commissioner and even before when I was

4479
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:07,920
watching. So this doesn't feel

4480
03:10:07,920 --> 03:10:08,960
>> call for a vote.

4481
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:11,600
>> Yeah, we're going to call for a vote. So

4482
03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:16,080
Mike made a motion and Jacques No made a

4483
03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:18,160
motion and Jacques did that.

4484
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:20,399
>> So what do we have? Go ahead. All in

4485
03:10:20,399 --> 03:10:22,479
favor?

4486
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:23,600
Hi.

4487
03:10:23,600 --> 03:10:26,800
>> Okay, that passes 70. Thank you.

4488
03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:27,840
>> Thank you.

4489
03:10:27,840 --> 03:10:30,080
>> Cut me off. It's okay.

4490
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:32,399
>> Just so you know, that was entirely a

4491
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:34,800
bookkeeping issue and that checkbook

4492
03:10:34,800 --> 03:10:37,040
that we love. I mean, as you see, we all

4493
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:40,160
love uh

4494
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:41,359
>> Thank you.

4495
03:10:41,359 --> 03:10:43,120
>> Welcome to our world. We sometimes like

4496
03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:52,389
to take

4497
03:10:52,399 --> 03:10:53,680
» All right. So,

4498
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:56,399
>> it is now 6 o'

4499
03:10:56,399 --> 03:10:58,640
This may be our last six o'clock

4500
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:00,640
citizens to be heard before we vote in

4501
03:11:00,640 --> 03:11:02,960
on season procedures. So, anyone would

4502
03:11:02,960 --> 03:11:04,800
like to speak at six o'clock that did

4503
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:07,439
not speak at the four o'clock,

4504
03:11:07,439 --> 03:11:10,160
we will take six o'clock citizens to

4505
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:15,750
public comment. Come on up, Teresa.

4506
03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:17,520
» So, eventually there will not be a six

4507
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:20,000
o'clock public comment period. Is that

4508
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:21,439
what I'm hearing? According to the new

4509
03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:22,560
rules, possibly.

4510
03:11:22,560 --> 03:11:24,319
>> Yeah. The procedures that we've been

4511
03:11:24,319 --> 03:11:26,319
more shopping for the last.

4512
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:28,399
>> So, so for someone to come at at 4:00

4513
03:11:28,399 --> 03:11:30,960
and stuff is is somewhat difficult.

4514
03:11:30,960 --> 03:11:32,560
>> It'll be after five o'clock.

4515
03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:35,120
>> Okay. It'll be one after five o'clock.

4516
03:11:35,120 --> 03:11:37,359
>> One time after five o'clock. And and

4517
03:11:37,359 --> 03:11:39,120
real briefly, I I come from the time

4518
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:41,120
when I was involved with the TV station

4519
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:44,000
and we did these live, but we don't have

4520
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:45,760
YouTube now. And that was part of the

4521
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:48,160
reason that the things ended up at 4:00

4522
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:50,080
and at 6:00 because there was too many

4523
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:52,080
controversial things happening and they

4524
03:11:52,080 --> 03:11:53,520
started to do the four o'clock thing

4525
03:11:53,520 --> 03:11:55,600
besides other things, just so you know.

4526
03:11:55,600 --> 03:11:56,720
But I'm happy that you guys are doing

4527
03:11:56,720 --> 03:11:58,160
this. One of the things I wanted to talk

4528
03:11:58,160 --> 03:12:00,800
about was of course being um very

4529
03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:02,720
supportive of Art Trails because Arts

4530
03:12:02,720 --> 03:12:04,479
Festival didn't happen this year. Arts

4531
03:12:04,479 --> 03:12:07,520
Festival is going to donate $2,000 to

4532
03:12:07,520 --> 03:12:09,520
the Moorm Art Trails to make this thing

4533
03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:11,760
happen as it is a community thing. The

4534
03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:14,319
arts are very important to Moab and I

4535
03:12:14,319 --> 03:12:16,720
hope that the county does a lot more in

4536
03:12:16,720 --> 03:12:18,479
the arts arena. Mary and I have been

4537
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:20,080
talking about this for quite some time.

4538
03:12:20,080 --> 03:12:24,880
We'd love to expand the whole arts um

4539
03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:27,680
involvement of the county in the art

4540
03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:30,640
community in town. taking the arts hat

4541
03:12:30,640 --> 03:12:33,439
off and putting my publisher of the

4542
03:12:33,439 --> 03:12:36,000
advertiser hat off as far as what you're

4543
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:38,880
doing with the public notices. I want to

4544
03:12:38,880 --> 03:12:41,279
say that I am disappointed and dismayed

4545
03:12:41,279 --> 03:12:43,439
that you're not going to be able to

4546
03:12:43,439 --> 03:12:45,840
publish public notices in the newspaper

4547
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:47,520
anymore. I understand that you're going

4548
03:12:47,520 --> 03:12:50,479
to go with just what the state does. The

4549
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:54,160
state code is very very narrow and it

4550
03:12:54,160 --> 03:12:57,439
does the absolute least amount of public

4551
03:12:57,439 --> 03:13:00,160
notices to the public. And it depends on

4552
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,000
what your objective is. Do you want to

4553
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:03,680
do the spirit of the law or do you want

4554
03:13:03,680 --> 03:13:06,160
to do the letter of the law? I myself

4555
03:13:06,160 --> 03:13:09,600
for two years have been publishing all

4556
03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:12,399
of the public notices, the jobs, the

4557
03:13:12,399 --> 03:13:14,720
bids that have been happening in the

4558
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:18,399
county and the city for two years.

4559
03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:20,960
Because why? I personally take it upon

4560
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:23,279
myself to let the people know in town

4561
03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:24,960
how many jobs are open. People aren't

4562
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:26,240
going to look at the website all the

4563
03:13:26,240 --> 03:13:29,120
time what bids are open. People aren't

4564
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:31,520
going to look at a certain thing. The

4565
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:33,279
shuttle is a great example. If somebody

4566
03:13:33,279 --> 03:13:34,960
knows where to look, they found that

4567
03:13:34,960 --> 03:13:38,000
bid. Yes, it is within the 10 days. Yes,

4568
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,720
all of the rules are being followed to

4569
03:13:40,720 --> 03:13:42,720
the letter of the law. It depends on

4570
03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:44,880
what your objective is. Do you want

4571
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:47,120
people to participate? Do you want them

4572
03:13:47,120 --> 03:13:49,359
to know what's going on? That is up to

4573
03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:51,359
you guys. And I and I say to myself,

4574
03:13:51,359 --> 03:13:54,640
self-appointed, I try to gather the

4575
03:13:54,640 --> 03:13:56,880
information, aggregate it, and

4576
03:13:56,880 --> 03:14:00,319
disseminate it. That is just of my own

4577
03:14:00,319 --> 03:14:02,479
doing. And I want to say in that

4578
03:14:02,479 --> 03:14:04,720
particular thing, I wish you would

4579
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:08,640
reconsider how you involve the public in

4580
03:14:08,640 --> 03:14:10,880
public notices. Thank you all for all

4581
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:20,630
you do. Appreciate it.

4582
03:14:20,640 --> 03:14:23,279
Okay. All right. Any other six o'clock

4583
03:14:23,279 --> 03:14:26,640
citizens be heard?

4584
03:14:26,640 --> 03:14:28,800
>> No. Okay.

4585
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:30,399
And we are going to move on to number

4586
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:32,800
nine, which is the UD do transportation

4587
03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:36,000
investment fund grant agreement. And Mr.

4588
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:37,600
Martinez.

4589
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:39,520
>> Yep. So, this is the contract right

4590
03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:43,760
there from the uh uh the um Utah uh Utah

4591
03:14:43,760 --> 03:14:45,680
Department of Transportation that they

4592
03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:48,960
provided the $1 million to fund a Moab

4593
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:52,479
to Arches shuttle pilot. um the the

4594
03:14:52,479 --> 03:14:54,640
contracts inside there and available for

4595
03:14:54,640 --> 03:15:00,950
everyone to to purchase.

4596
03:15:00,960 --> 03:15:03,840
» I move to approve the 1 million U dot

4597
03:15:03,840 --> 03:15:06,640
grant to fund the Moab to Arches shuttle

4598
03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:09,040
pilot.

4599
03:15:09,040 --> 03:15:10,399
>> Second, Mike.

4600
03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:11,520
>> Yeah,

4601
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:14,800
>> comment too.

4602
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:16,080
>> We're sitting pretty good on that. All

4603
03:15:16,080 --> 03:15:17,120
right.

4604
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:19,439
>> I just

4605
03:15:19,439 --> 03:15:24,479
double check before I end. Uh it says uh

4606
03:15:24,479 --> 03:15:26,239
legal legal review went through on the

4607
03:15:26,239 --> 03:15:29,120
contracts. Oh, good from the county

4608
03:15:29,120 --> 03:15:31,439
side. Thank you.

4609
03:15:31,439 --> 03:15:33,920
>> Okay, John.

4610
03:15:33,920 --> 03:15:37,840
>> Thank you. Um I I appreciate the spirit

4611
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:40,080
that this has been presented to us in. I

4612
03:15:40,080 --> 03:15:42,880
personally have been on record as not

4613
03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:46,080
supporting the shuttle effort. Um, this

4614
03:15:46,080 --> 03:15:48,319
is UDOT money. It's a million dollars.

4615
03:15:48,319 --> 03:15:51,680
It's it's UDAB money is is public money.

4616
03:15:51,680 --> 03:15:55,840
Um, I wonder what else and it is tiff

4617
03:15:55,840 --> 03:15:57,279
money. I wonder what else the tiff money

4618
03:15:57,279 --> 03:15:59,359
could be spent on such as the mo area

4619
03:15:59,359 --> 03:16:04,560
transit or possibly bike paths. Um, a

4620
03:16:04,560 --> 03:16:07,279
question whether this is the best use of

4621
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:09,680
this money and does it mean that other

4622
03:16:09,680 --> 03:16:11,600
high needs projects in the Moab area or

4623
03:16:11,600 --> 03:16:13,520
even other areas around the region of

4624
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:17,840
the state get funded? So, I will not be

4625
03:16:17,840 --> 03:16:21,840
voting in favor of this item. Thank you.

4626
03:16:21,840 --> 03:16:25,200
>> Okay, any other comments? Mary?

4627
03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:28,319
Uh, I won't be voting for this as well.

4628
03:16:28,319 --> 03:16:30,640
I've joked before that about the only

4629
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:34,160
time I've seen uh the county come

4630
03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:37,439
together, both liberals and uh and

4631
03:16:37,439 --> 03:16:39,520
conservatives, is with the Woodies, when

4632
03:16:39,520 --> 03:16:41,920
they were going to close Woodies.

4633
03:16:41,920 --> 03:16:47,120
But I must say this is surprising me how

4634
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:51,680
many conservatives I speak to who are

4635
03:16:51,680 --> 03:16:53,359
flabbergasted

4636
03:16:53,359 --> 03:16:56,640
that say that they are shocked that we

4637
03:16:56,640 --> 03:16:59,200
are spending this kind of money. No

4638
03:16:59,200 --> 03:17:01,200
matter where it comes from it's their

4639
03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:04,160
money. It's it's public funds. This is

4640
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:10,160
coming from our Utah public funds and then it's coming from federal and

4641
03:17:10,160 --> 03:17:13,520
it's coming from state and across the

4642
03:17:13,520 --> 03:17:17,120
board. I have I think I've heard one or

4643
03:17:17,120 --> 03:17:18,160
two [clears throat] people say they

4644
03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:21,040
think it's a great idea. Otherwise, it's

4645
03:17:21,040 --> 03:17:22,880
pretty much

4646
03:17:22,880 --> 03:17:26,319
not not supported. It was a 70. It was a

4647
03:17:26,319 --> 03:17:28,960
unanimous vote at EDOP. So surprising to

4648
03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:34,389
hear that I said in MOA

4649
03:17:34,399 --> 03:17:37,040
Um, I won't be voting for this either.

4650
03:17:37,040 --> 03:17:39,120
I'll just reiterate. I I think that when

4651
03:17:39,120 --> 03:17:40,960
we look at this, it's not just 500,000

4652
03:17:40,960 --> 03:17:42,640
from the county. You know, this is all

4653
03:17:42,640 --> 03:17:44,479
of our taxpayer dollars, whether it's a

4654
03:17:44,479 --> 03:17:46,479
state level or a federal dollar, a

4655
03:17:46,479 --> 03:17:49,040
federal level. So, it's $3 million a

4656
03:17:49,040 --> 03:17:51,840
taxpayer dollars. I am not opposed to

4657
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:55,750
the shuttle.

4658
03:17:55,760 --> 03:17:57,359
I [laughter] I

4659
03:17:57,359 --> 03:17:59,359
>> Sorry,

4660
03:17:59,359 --> 03:18:01,120
you guys really struggle with decorum.

4661
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:02,880
We want to talk about decorum. And Mel,

4662
03:18:02,880 --> 03:18:04,640
that's the point right there. Having

4663
03:18:04,640 --> 03:18:05,840
commissioners laugh at other

4664
03:18:05,840 --> 03:18:07,359
commissioners, which this is how this

4665
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:09,680
meeting started. As the chair, you need

4666
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:11,920
to stop it.

4667
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:14,000
>> Okay. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

4668
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:15,040
>> You can continue.

4669
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:17,520
>> I'm just saying. And so, you know, it's

4670
03:18:17,520 --> 03:18:19,200
just you guys, it's like it's so

4671
03:18:19,200 --> 03:18:21,200
sophomoric. I would wouldn't even say

4672
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:23,600
that it's fourth grade.

4673
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:25,680
>> So, you're calling people names now.

4674
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:27,439
That's just

4675
03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:29,920
Mel. I mean, come on. They had

4676
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:31,760
commissioners laugh out loud at other

4677
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:32,239
commissioners.

4678
03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:33,600
>> Sometimes it happens. Sometimes people

4679
03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:35,439
laugh out loud. Sometimes you roll your

4680
03:18:35,439 --> 03:18:37,359
eyes. I mean, I can't babysit you.

4681
03:18:37,359 --> 03:18:39,040
>> I'm going to finish my statement with

4682
03:18:39,040 --> 03:18:40,960
you.

4683
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:43,520
>> I'm not opposed to this idea. And I said

4684
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:45,680
that when when this kind of was rolling,

4685
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:47,520
I said, "What what I would love to see

4686
03:18:47,520 --> 03:18:49,600
is a feasibility study. I'd like to

4687
03:18:49,600 --> 03:18:52,239
backtrack, like to pull the reinss and

4688
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:54,399
update that feasibility study." And and

4689
03:18:54,399 --> 03:18:57,200
I mean that, Brian. And you know the sad

4690
03:18:57,200 --> 03:18:59,200
thing is you don't have support and you

4691
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:00,960
don't have support from the citizens of

4692
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:02,560
this community. I would say the same

4693
03:19:02,560 --> 03:19:05,279
thing. I have not had one person

4694
03:19:05,279 --> 03:19:07,120
conservative, liberal, wherever you want

4695
03:19:07,120 --> 03:19:09,439
to say on the spectrum say that they

4696
03:19:09,439 --> 03:19:13,200
support this. Um we are in dire straits.

4697
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:15,680
Our really our budget we and and also

4698
03:19:15,680 --> 03:19:19,520
I'm going to use the 2026 budget.

4699
03:19:19,520 --> 03:19:21,920
We went into the budget year in the red

4700
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:23,520
and we keep spending money out of

4701
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:24,960
budget. And that's I'm not talking about

4702
03:19:24,960 --> 03:19:26,319
revenue. that's coming in. I'm talking

4703
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:28,720
about our budgets um to define that

4704
03:19:28,720 --> 03:19:30,239
clearly and I want to make that really

4705
03:19:30,239 --> 03:19:32,399
clear. We can't keep spending money out

4706
03:19:32,399 --> 03:19:35,680
of budget and we continue to do so. Um

4707
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:39,279
so I'm not going to support this.

4708
03:19:39,279 --> 03:19:41,760
>> Mike,

4709
03:19:41,760 --> 03:19:44,319
I'm going to support this

4710
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:47,840
as the only Republican candidate and or

4711
03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:51,520
sitting member of this commission.

4712
03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:53,040
Conservative or not, we're doing

4713
03:19:53,040 --> 03:19:55,120
something good for our local and our

4714
03:19:55,120 --> 03:19:59,359
visitors alike. Love this. Um,

4715
03:19:59,359 --> 03:20:04,070
you do threw a million in.

4716
03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:09,830
Great. Thumbs up.

4717
03:20:09,840 --> 03:20:11,200
» Okay.

4718
03:20:11,200 --> 03:20:12,479
>> Yeah. Just going to make one quick

4719
03:20:12,479 --> 03:20:14,239
comment right here. The the numbers for

4720
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:19,279
June are in. Um, TRT revenue is up 28%

4721
03:20:19,279 --> 03:20:22,319
over projections. Total sales tax

4722
03:20:22,319 --> 03:20:25,760
revenue is up 17% over projections.

4723
03:20:25,760 --> 03:20:28,080
That's for the first four months. Over

4724
03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:31,840
the last six months, TRT revenue is up

4725
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:35,840
35% which is $951,000

4726
03:20:35,840 --> 03:20:38,640
over projections. Total sales tax

4727
03:20:38,640 --> 03:20:43,680
revenue is up 25%. This is $1.65 million

4728
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:46,399
over projections. Now, I don't expect

4729
03:20:46,399 --> 03:20:49,279
those trends to continue at that rate.

4730
03:20:49,279 --> 03:20:51,439
However, that is an example of what

4731
03:20:51,439 --> 03:20:53,200
happens when you invest in the

4732
03:20:53,200 --> 03:20:58,630
infrastructure of your economy.

4733
03:20:58,640 --> 03:21:02,080
» So, I didn't expect u push back on grant

4734
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:04,319
money because generally that's not the

4735
03:21:04,319 --> 03:21:06,239
case. So, I was going to discuss I was

4736
03:21:06,239 --> 03:21:08,319
going to talk about this before we went

4737
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:09,920
into number 10, but I'm just going to go

4738
03:21:09,920 --> 03:21:11,040
ahead and read a statement that I

4739
03:21:11,040 --> 03:21:14,560
prepared to talk about um the vendor

4740
03:21:14,560 --> 03:21:16,479
selection, but the shuttle working

4741
03:21:16,479 --> 03:21:17,920
group. You know, we wanted to share why

4742
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:19,680
the why this pilot is even being

4743
03:21:19,680 --> 03:21:22,399
discussed. And so, the best time to have

4744
03:21:22,399 --> 03:21:24,399
built a shuttle system between Moab and

4745
03:21:24,399 --> 03:21:26,880
Arches was was probably 15 years ago

4746
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:29,120
when Aadia and Zion were first figuring

4747
03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:31,840
theirs out. But we didn't. Grand County

4748
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:33,600
has spent much of the last 10 years in

4749
03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:36,800
response mode, fixing what floods,

4750
03:21:36,800 --> 03:21:39,040
patching what cracks, catching up to

4751
03:21:39,040 --> 03:21:41,040
provide infrastructure for growth that

4752
03:21:41,040 --> 03:21:43,600
already happened. If we govern that way

4753
03:21:43,600 --> 03:21:45,760
long enough, we aren't planning for the

4754
03:21:45,760 --> 03:21:48,640
county. we want or for the county that

4755
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:51,120
we want, but we're reaching

4756
03:21:51,120 --> 03:21:53,600
by what happens, reacting to what

4757
03:21:53,600 --> 03:21:55,600
happens. We're attempting to do

4758
03:21:55,600 --> 03:21:57,520
something different right now. We want

4759
03:21:57,520 --> 03:21:59,040
to plan for a vision of a future of

4760
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:00,560
Grant County that's thriving and

4761
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:03,600
resilient. A a pilot shuttle is not a

4762
03:22:03,600 --> 03:22:05,439
finished system. It will have rough

4763
03:22:05,439 --> 03:22:07,920
weeks and hard learning. Many of the

4764
03:22:07,920 --> 03:22:09,920
questions that people are asking about

4765
03:22:09,920 --> 03:22:11,840
cost, about timing, about who pays for

4766
03:22:11,840 --> 03:22:13,840
what are exactly the questions that this

4767
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:16,560
pilot exists to answer. And we'll answer

4768
03:22:16,560 --> 03:22:18,239
them with real data instead of a study

4769
03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:22,160
that sits on a shelf. An arch

4770
03:22:22,160 --> 03:22:24,319
an arches shuttle pilot is not just

4771
03:22:24,319 --> 03:22:26,319
about a shuttle. It's one piece of a

4772
03:22:26,319 --> 03:22:28,560
larger question that this commission is

4773
03:22:28,560 --> 03:22:30,560
trying to answer. What does it take for

4774
03:22:30,560 --> 03:22:32,880
a regionally isolated rural gateway

4775
03:22:32,880 --> 03:22:34,800
community to stay livable and thrive

4776
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:37,680
across the next 20 years? What does it

4777
03:22:37,680 --> 03:22:39,200
take to create a place where a young

4778
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:42,000
family can afford to stay? Where an

4779
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,640
older resident can age without leaving?

4780
03:22:44,640 --> 03:22:46,319
Where the people who cook the meals and

4781
03:22:46,319 --> 03:22:48,239
guide the rivers can actually live near

4782
03:22:48,239 --> 03:22:51,760
the work. Transit is one threat in that.

4783
03:22:51,760 --> 03:22:53,600
So is housing. So is the kind of

4784
03:22:53,600 --> 03:22:55,200
infrastructure that a modern gateway

4785
03:22:55,200 --> 03:22:57,760
community needs. And we can't afford to

4786
03:22:57,760 --> 03:23:00,880
defer or leave it to chance. So we'd

4787
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:03,439
rather plant the tree now and then

4788
03:23:03,439 --> 03:23:05,920
explain in a decade why we didn't. We

4789
03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:07,279
want to plan and build the foundation

4790
03:23:07,279 --> 03:23:09,359
for a thriving, resilient Grand County

4791
03:23:09,359 --> 03:23:11,600
in 20 years instead of chasing the

4792
03:23:11,600 --> 03:23:13,520
growth that would inevitably happen on

4793
03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:15,760
its own. So that's the vote in front of

4794
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:17,760
us right now. That's the vote in front

4795
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:20,319
of us in number 10, you know, and that's

4796
03:23:20,319 --> 03:23:22,399
also something when we get to number 16,

4797
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:23,760
the commission chair's priority

4798
03:23:23,760 --> 03:23:25,840
statement that I'm attempting to do for

4799
03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:30,070
this county.

4800
03:23:30,080 --> 03:23:31,439
» Go ahead, Brian.

4801
03:23:31,439 --> 03:23:33,520
>> Call for a vote.

4802
03:23:33,520 --> 03:23:35,279
>> So, let's go ahead. Call for a vote. We

4803
03:23:35,279 --> 03:23:37,040
had a motion and we had a second. So

4804
03:23:37,040 --> 03:23:40,319
those in favor

4805
03:23:40,319 --> 03:23:42,399
and those opposed.

4806
03:23:42,399 --> 03:23:43,600
>> Okay.

4807
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:48,080
>> So that passes for three with man

4808
03:23:48,080 --> 03:23:51,600
and Heather opposed.

4809
03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:53,840
We move along to number 10. Moa Archer

4810
03:23:53,840 --> 03:23:56,479
shuttle service operator RFP selection.

4811
03:23:56,479 --> 03:23:58,000
So since I already read the reasoning

4812
03:23:58,000 --> 03:24:01,760
why we want uh to see this pilot shuttle

4813
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:03,200
work, it's not just for the shuttle

4814
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:05,520
system, not just for Arches but for our

4815
03:24:05,520 --> 03:24:08,800
whole community. The we got three

4816
03:24:08,800 --> 03:24:10,399
proposals

4817
03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:13,680
and they were put in in in um our county

4818
03:24:13,680 --> 03:24:15,760
website and this uh shuttle working

4819
03:24:15,760 --> 03:24:18,720
group met and our recommendation is

4820
03:24:18,720 --> 03:24:22,160
Abby. If you go through I think that uh

4821
03:24:22,160 --> 03:24:24,399
our

4822
03:24:24,399 --> 03:24:27,040
comments to those proposed are all

4823
03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:28,560
public but that's that was the

4824
03:24:28,560 --> 03:24:29,920
recommendation that we have.

4825
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:31,760
>> What was your recommendation again Mel?

4826
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:34,000
Sorry I'm sorry I missed that.

4827
03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:36,319
>> Oh sorry it's not Abby via I know I was

4828
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:38,239
like I was like did I there's another

4829
03:24:38,239 --> 03:24:41,120
one that's like I was three acronyms as

4830
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:42,239
well.

4831
03:24:42,239 --> 03:24:44,720
>> That's okay. I was just sorry. VIA VA

4832
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:48,640
transportation is the the clear, you

4833
03:24:48,640 --> 03:24:50,080
know, they're already here. They're

4834
03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:51,840
already operating the mat. They have so

4835
03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:54,479
much information to our community. You

4836
03:24:54,479 --> 03:24:57,520
know, I would have liked to pick a

4837
03:24:57,520 --> 03:24:58,720
different one, but there's no way. I

4838
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:00,560
mean, a Grip was in there. They they had

4839
03:25:00,560 --> 03:25:02,640
a lot. They're Utah based company. They

4840
03:25:02,640 --> 03:25:04,399
have a lot of great things to offer, but

4841
03:25:04,399 --> 03:25:05,439
um you know, when we're looking at

4842
03:25:05,439 --> 03:25:06,880
regional transportation, this is all

4843
03:25:06,880 --> 03:25:08,399
inclusive.

4844
03:25:08,399 --> 03:25:09,920
So, that was the recommendation. Go

4845
03:25:09,920 --> 03:25:12,000
ahead, Mike.

4846
03:25:12,000 --> 03:25:14,479
Uh, I'd like to make the motion. I move

4847
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:16,800
to award the Moab to Arches shuttle

4848
03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:21,120
pilot op operator contract to

4849
03:25:21,120 --> 03:25:23,120
full name is Via Transportation. Double

4850
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:23,920
check there.

4851
03:25:23,920 --> 03:25:24,319
>> Yeah.

4852
03:25:24,319 --> 03:25:29,429
>> Yep. Uh, two, Via Transportation.

4853
03:25:29,439 --> 03:25:32,239
Second that.

4854
03:25:32,239 --> 03:25:33,792
>> John,

4855
03:25:33,792 --> 03:25:36,790
[clears throat]

4856
03:25:36,800 --> 03:25:40,479
Mr. Harder, go ahead. He's

4857
03:25:40,479 --> 03:25:41,120
muted.

4858
03:25:41,120 --> 03:25:42,960
>> Y

4859
03:25:42,960 --> 03:25:44,880
>> I I got it. Sorry, that was uh

4860
03:25:44,880 --> 03:25:47,600
difficult. Um I first thing I'd like to

4861
03:25:47,600 --> 03:25:49,359
ask Stephen, where where is legal on

4862
03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:52,132
this, including the um an approval of a

4863
03:25:52,132 --> 03:25:54,560
[snorts] potential contract?

4864
03:25:54,560 --> 03:25:56,640
Um I sorry, I've been traveling a little

4865
03:25:56,640 --> 03:25:57,840
bit and haven't heard any updates, but

4866
03:25:57,840 --> 03:25:59,920
I'd like to to hear from him on that.

4867
03:25:59,920 --> 03:26:03,200
And uh if this if and when this RFP is

4868
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:05,680
issued, what are the next steps as far

4869
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:08,560
as uh what we need to do? Do we need to

4870
03:26:08,560 --> 03:26:11,359
ratify the contract, etc.? Thank you,

4871
03:26:11,359 --> 03:26:12,080
Stephen.

4872
03:26:12,080 --> 03:26:14,479
>> Yeah. Um, so the county doesn't have a

4873
03:26:14,479 --> 03:26:17,040
fully drafted contract, but the RFP

4874
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:18,479
identifies things that the county would

4875
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:20,000
like to see from this vendor. The vendor

4876
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:21,760
has provided a proposal. We would move

4877
03:26:21,760 --> 03:26:23,439
forward, draft a contract that

4878
03:26:23,439 --> 03:26:25,520
encapsulates these terms and any of the

4879
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:27,840
other obligations that the county has um

4880
03:26:27,840 --> 03:26:29,200
to the other partners. That would

4881
03:26:29,200 --> 03:26:32,319
include considering uh the CMA uh

4882
03:26:32,319 --> 03:26:33,920
agreement that we will eventually create

4883
03:26:33,920 --> 03:26:36,319
with the N the NPS and the other

4884
03:26:36,319 --> 03:26:39,040
providers. So the goal would be that

4885
03:26:39,040 --> 03:26:40,800
this this vendor would be selected if

4886
03:26:40,800 --> 03:26:42,080
that's what the county would like to do

4887
03:26:42,080 --> 03:26:44,800
moving forward. We would isolate all of

4888
03:26:44,800 --> 03:26:46,720
the terms that we expect them to do and

4889
03:26:46,720 --> 03:26:49,120
we would bring back a finalized version

4890
03:26:49,120 --> 03:26:54,160
of that contract uh to the body for the body to ratify at a later date. But

4891
03:26:54,160 --> 03:26:56,080
again, it would have to accomplish all

4892
03:26:56,080 --> 03:26:58,560
the goals in the other process that

4893
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:00,560
we're looking at, which is that CMA

4894
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:03,120
agreement that hasn't that that is

4895
03:27:03,120 --> 03:27:04,479
nearing completion.

4896
03:27:04,479 --> 03:27:06,720
>> It's completed on the draft site. It's

4897
03:27:06,720 --> 03:27:08,960
just in lawyers. So, it's been um all

4898
03:27:08,960 --> 03:27:11,840
the negotiations between the county and

4899
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:15,120
the National Park Service have been

4900
03:27:15,120 --> 03:27:17,279
vetted out, discussed, figured out,

4901
03:27:17,279 --> 03:27:18,800
everyone's in agreement on everything.

4902
03:27:18,800 --> 03:27:20,640
And so, now we're just um between the

4903
03:27:20,640 --> 03:27:22,319
park service attorney and our attorney.

4904
03:27:22,319 --> 03:27:22,720
>> Correct.

4905
03:27:22,720 --> 03:27:24,479
>> Um so, that when they get back with it.

4906
03:27:24,479 --> 03:27:25,760
So, we're hoping to have it we could

4907
03:27:25,760 --> 03:27:27,840
possibly have it on our next agenda on

4908
03:27:27,840 --> 03:27:30,479
July 21st, but at no later than August

4909
03:27:30,479 --> 03:27:33,760
4th because that would allow um the

4910
03:27:33,760 --> 03:27:35,279
proposer to go ahead and purchase all

4911
03:27:35,279 --> 03:27:36,960
the vehicles and be ready to go by that

4912
03:27:36,960 --> 03:27:39,439
September 1st.

4913
03:27:39,439 --> 03:27:42,160
>> A question for you. I mean, doesn't it

4914
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:44,720
make it extremely tenuous though not to

4915
03:27:44,720 --> 03:27:48,479
have that CMA in, you know, have that

4916
03:27:48,479 --> 03:27:50,960
finalized and then be I mean, this it

4917
03:27:50,960 --> 03:27:53,200
just seems again it was mentioned by I

4918
03:27:53,200 --> 03:27:55,680
think it was Jim, you know, cart before

4919
03:27:55,680 --> 03:27:58,160
the horse type of situation where if

4920
03:27:58,160 --> 03:28:00,239
that CMA changes radically and we

4921
03:28:00,239 --> 03:28:03,279
already have a contract with a vendor,

4922
03:28:03,279 --> 03:28:05,439
you know, it just seems tenuous and

4923
03:28:05,439 --> 03:28:06,880
maybe you could describe that process,

4924
03:28:06,880 --> 03:28:08,880
what happens. And so full disclosure, I

4925
03:28:08,880 --> 03:28:11,600
do I do have the ACMA in my queue to

4926
03:28:11,600 --> 03:28:14,239
review. I received that last week. Um

4927
03:28:14,239 --> 03:28:16,160
yeah, it makes it so that whenever

4928
03:28:16,160 --> 03:28:18,720
you're trying to make a subsequent

4929
03:28:18,720 --> 03:28:20,800
contract to satisfy conditions in

4930
03:28:20,800 --> 03:28:22,800
another contract, it always makes it

4931
03:28:22,800 --> 03:28:26,560
tricky. Um I think the RFP was designed

4932
03:28:26,560 --> 03:28:28,720
by the same individuals that were

4933
03:28:28,720 --> 03:28:30,479
looking at the CMA and from the position

4934
03:28:30,479 --> 03:28:32,960
of the county. um from the policy makers

4935
03:28:32,960 --> 03:28:34,960
at the at the county, they've kind of

4936
03:28:34,960 --> 03:28:37,200
tried to guide that CMA to something

4937
03:28:37,200 --> 03:28:39,600
that the county would be able to meet

4938
03:28:39,600 --> 03:28:41,840
those obligations. So that's the hope.

4939
03:28:41,840 --> 03:28:43,680
Yes. Does it make it more difficult when

4940
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:45,920
we are, you know, trying to nail down

4941
03:28:45,920 --> 03:28:47,120
two different things that are in the

4942
03:28:47,120 --> 03:28:50,560
year at once? Yes. Um can is it

4943
03:28:50,560 --> 03:28:52,640
something that the county can do? Yes.

4944
03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:55,279
uh but we need to isolate the CMA, make

4945
03:28:55,279 --> 03:28:57,040
sure all those terms are set in place

4946
03:28:57,040 --> 03:28:59,120
and then we would turn to finalizing the

4947
03:28:59,120 --> 03:29:02,160
contract with this u with this vendor.

4948
03:29:02,160 --> 03:29:04,000
And so at that point, if there were

4949
03:29:04,000 --> 03:29:06,160
changes, that is a potential that you

4950
03:29:06,160 --> 03:29:07,680
may have changes, you might have to go

4951
03:29:07,680 --> 03:29:09,520
back to that vendor and say, "Hey, look,

4952
03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:11,120
uh instead of X, Y, and Z, we're going

4953
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:14,399
to do S, X, Y, and Z." And so it adds on

4954
03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:15,680
additional terms and additional things

4955
03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:17,920
that that make it trickier. Um is it

4956
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:20,399
impossible to do? No. um will have

4957
03:29:20,399 --> 03:29:21,760
sufficient time to be able to review

4958
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:24,160
this. Yes, uh this is something that we

4959
03:29:24,160 --> 03:29:26,800
can do. It will be a quicker turnaround.

4960
03:29:26,800 --> 03:29:28,319
Um but that's something that the

4961
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:29,840
contract hasn't been drafted yet for

4962
03:29:29,840 --> 03:29:33,200
this RFP. Um but that's not necessarily

4963
03:29:33,200 --> 03:29:35,200
uncommon. Sometimes we do have RFPs that

4964
03:29:35,200 --> 03:29:37,120
go out and we are looking for new

4965
03:29:37,120 --> 03:29:38,560
services for the county and then we have

4966
03:29:38,560 --> 03:29:40,239
to come back and and look at a contract,

4967
03:29:40,239 --> 03:29:41,920
draft the contract based on what the

4968
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:44,479
county has for our ICAS and then the

4969
03:29:44,479 --> 03:29:47,279
proposal from the vendor.

4970
03:29:47,279 --> 03:29:50,239
And there is still RFP to come. Um this

4971
03:29:50,239 --> 03:29:52,479
is in in the works at the moment and

4972
03:29:52,479 --> 03:29:55,760
that's that in it's been called traffic

4973
03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:59,359
or u transportation liaison and our last

4974
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:01,520
meeting everybody decided that that name

4975
03:30:01,520 --> 03:30:03,040
just doesn't really work. It's going to

4976
03:30:03,040 --> 03:30:05,439
be shuttle attendance. So going forward

4977
03:30:05,439 --> 03:30:07,600
it'll be an RFP for shuttle attendance.

4978
03:30:07,600 --> 03:30:10,399
All three of the proposals um put forth

4979
03:30:10,399 --> 03:30:12,720
that that they would all be interested.

4980
03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:14,640
So it didn't matter which one we picked.

4981
03:30:14,640 --> 03:30:16,399
that that they will be bidding on that

4982
03:30:16,399 --> 03:30:19,920
next RFP. So that and in a perfect

4983
03:30:19,920 --> 03:30:24,239
world, the shuttle attendance and the um

4984
03:30:24,239 --> 03:30:29,120
shuttle operator would be the same. But that was like our our tie-up piece

4985
03:30:29,120 --> 03:30:32,000
uh of conversation for the CMA. And so

4986
03:30:32,000 --> 03:30:34,160
to move forward with the RFP for the

4987
03:30:34,160 --> 03:30:36,239
shuttle so that it so that the people

4988
03:30:36,239 --> 03:30:39,120
would have enough time to procure and

4989
03:30:39,120 --> 03:30:40,640
get everything ready because that's the

4990
03:30:40,640 --> 03:30:43,200
definite bigger piece of the puzzle. We

4991
03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:44,800
decided to separate the two. So instead

4992
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:47,279
of including them together as one RFP

4993
03:30:47,279 --> 03:30:50,560
shuttle attendance and shuttle operator,

4994
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:53,359
we separated them. That gave us time to

4995
03:30:53,359 --> 03:30:55,040
come together as a group and decide

4996
03:30:55,040 --> 03:30:56,880
exactly how that was going to look, what

4997
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:58,479
those shuttle attendants look like, what

4998
03:30:58,479 --> 03:31:00,640
their responsibilities were going to be.

4999
03:31:00,640 --> 03:31:02,880
And now that RFP will go out as well.

5000
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:04,319
And so they'll all they're all

5001
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:06,239
connected, but and that's a very that's

5002
03:31:06,239 --> 03:31:08,720
a much shorter piece of putting things

5003
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:10,720
together. And that's why we separated

5004
03:31:10,720 --> 03:31:12,080
them out and did and did them

5005
03:31:12,080 --> 03:31:14,640
separately. And that's why that yeah,

5006
03:31:14,640 --> 03:31:16,000
they've been called TLS or

5007
03:31:16,000 --> 03:31:17,600
transportation leaison. And now we're

5008
03:31:17,600 --> 03:31:20,000
gonna move that to shuttle um attendance

5009
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:21,200
just they're going to help you know get

5010
03:31:21,200 --> 03:31:22,479
people on and off the shuttle and

5011
03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:24,720
hopefully it'll you know it could be the

5012
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:26,560
same company. I know they've all

5013
03:31:26,560 --> 03:31:28,399
expressed it but that RFP will come out

5014
03:31:28,399 --> 03:31:30,160
soon. Do you mind if I ask you a couple

5015
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:33,040
questions and any of us welcome to tell

5016
03:31:33,040 --> 03:31:37,600
you. So, um it it does seem very rushed.

5017
03:31:37,600 --> 03:31:39,279
Um and I know that you guys address that

5018
03:31:39,279 --> 03:31:41,040
a little bit in the in the things that

5019
03:31:41,040 --> 03:31:45,359
you put out um to to your citizens, but

5020
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:50,319
um can you kind of talk about why it

5021
03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:53,040
it's so like why this has to happen by

5022
03:31:53,040 --> 03:31:54,800
September 1st? Can you just give me

5023
03:31:54,800 --> 03:31:55,279
back?

5024
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:56,960
>> Well, when the first discussions

5025
03:31:56,960 --> 03:31:59,359
happened, first of all, it was like, can

5026
03:31:59,359 --> 03:32:02,560
this happen by spring? We're like, uh

5027
03:32:02,560 --> 03:32:04,080
no. I mean, I look back at my first

5028
03:32:04,080 --> 03:32:06,800
email from Lena was in February. So, I

5029
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:09,040
because somebody in the paper said that

5030
03:32:09,040 --> 03:32:11,359
um that the the national park didn't ask

5031
03:32:11,359 --> 03:32:13,520
for this and maybe the full national

5032
03:32:13,520 --> 03:32:15,520
park didn't, but Lena sent me an email

5033
03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:17,120
that asked for it. So, you know, I went

5034
03:32:17,120 --> 03:32:19,520
back on my email and found Lena's email

5035
03:32:19,520 --> 03:32:20,960
that said and so anybody want to grab

5036
03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:23,279
that, I'll send it right over. Um you

5037
03:32:23,279 --> 03:32:26,560
know, it's ask for us to help. And so we

5038
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:28,319
did. And that first meeting she was

5039
03:32:28,319 --> 03:32:31,040
like, when can you have this um up and

5040
03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:32,960
running? And it's like, well, you know,

5041
03:32:32,960 --> 03:32:36,080
the county can do a lot more than what

5042
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:38,960
the park service can do. Are you saying

5043
03:32:38,960 --> 03:32:41,439
Lena inspired the idea of the shuttle? I

5044
03:32:41,439 --> 03:32:42,960
guess I'm confused. Where did what do

5045
03:32:42,960 --> 03:32:45,920
you mean Lena asked for it? At what

5046
03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:47,120
>> at what point

5047
03:32:47,120 --> 03:32:48,640
>> when she said when she sent me the email

5048
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:51,200
and said, I have heard there's been

5049
03:32:51,200 --> 03:32:54,000
discussion of a shuttle. Can you meet

5050
03:32:54,000 --> 03:32:56,160
with me and and help us figure out this?

5051
03:32:56,160 --> 03:32:56,720
And and

5052
03:32:56,720 --> 03:32:58,640
>> Okay, that makes sense. That makes her

5053
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:00,239
to find funding. you know, I'll go look

5054
03:33:00,239 --> 03:33:01,840
for money on my side. You go see what

5055
03:33:01,840 --> 03:33:02,399
you can do.

5056
03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:04,160
>> Okay, that makes more sense.

5057
03:33:04,160 --> 03:33:06,000
>> Transportation, you know, whatever it

5058
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:07,359
has to be. So,

5059
03:33:07,359 --> 03:33:08,960
>> um, we said we'd help you help. We'd

5060
03:33:08,960 --> 03:33:10,560
help. And so, that's where we're at.

5061
03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:12,880
That's what started this. And then now

5062
03:33:12,880 --> 03:33:15,760
we're moving forward. And it took time

5063
03:33:15,760 --> 03:33:17,439
and we didn't have the money. So, we had

5064
03:33:17,439 --> 03:33:20,720
to get some money. And so, if we don't

5065
03:33:20,720 --> 03:33:22,479
So, that so if we couldn't do it in the

5066
03:33:22,479 --> 03:33:24,319
spring, can we do it in the fall? So,

5067
03:33:24,319 --> 03:33:26,399
September 1st is if we don't do it by

5068
03:33:26,399 --> 03:33:28,080
September 1st, then then why would we do

5069
03:33:28,080 --> 03:33:29,120
it in the fall? you know, we don't want

5070
03:33:29,120 --> 03:33:31,120
to start October 1st and then have it

5071
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:32,640
for a month and then then it's winter

5072
03:33:32,640 --> 03:33:35,120
time. And if we don't if we don't push

5073
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:36,960
forward for it and we just let it all

5074
03:33:36,960 --> 03:33:39,200
die and then, you know, and then it just

5075
03:33:39,200 --> 03:33:40,880
comes in next year. I think that's part

5076
03:33:40,880 --> 03:33:42,399
of funding. So, I'll let Brian talk

5077
03:33:42,399 --> 03:33:42,880
about that.

5078
03:33:42,880 --> 03:33:45,120
>> Yeah. And so, two things with that o or

5079
03:33:45,120 --> 03:33:46,960
the uh September 1st that really makes

5080
03:33:46,960 --> 03:33:49,520
sense, right? Is if we were to ask

5081
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:52,319
operator to come in and run for March,

5082
03:33:52,319 --> 03:33:54,399
April, May, right? and then we want you

5083
03:33:54,399 --> 03:33:56,720
to take June, July, August off, and only

5084
03:33:56,720 --> 03:33:57,920
want you to come back September,

5085
03:33:57,920 --> 03:33:59,600
October, they're they're not going to

5086
03:33:59,600 --> 03:34:01,520
really be willing to do it. However,

5087
03:34:01,520 --> 03:34:03,279
when you just switch things around and

5088
03:34:03,279 --> 03:34:05,200
say, "Hey, the contract is for

5089
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:07,120
September, October, and then you can

5090
03:34:07,120 --> 03:34:09,520
come back March, April, May, June, it

5091
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:11,279
sounds a little bit better inside of

5092
03:34:11,279 --> 03:34:13,120
that little conversation." The other

5093
03:34:13,120 --> 03:34:15,120
thing is just kind of where that nexus

5094
03:34:15,120 --> 03:34:17,680
lines up between federal contracting,

5095
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:20,239
state uh uh uh state fund availability,

5096
03:34:20,239 --> 03:34:21,680
right? And so there's just a small

5097
03:34:21,680 --> 03:34:23,279
little window to where you're actually

5098
03:34:23,279 --> 03:34:25,120
going to be able to get appropriations

5099
03:34:25,120 --> 03:34:27,040
from the federal government and the

5100
03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:29,040
state at the same time because they're

5101
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:31,200
on two different fiscal years. And so

5102
03:34:31,200 --> 03:34:33,200
when we started looking at that, we

5103
03:34:33,200 --> 03:34:34,399
needed to make sure that we were going

5104
03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:36,479
to line that up, right? So even if it

5105
03:34:36,479 --> 03:34:38,479
wasn't now, I mean, it looks like the

5106
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:40,560
best deal that we're going to be able to

5107
03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:42,720
get would be a shuttle that operates

5108
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:45,439
September, October, right? March, April,

5109
03:34:45,439 --> 03:34:49,760
May, June, which covers our by uh our

5110
03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:51,680
peak tourism demand.

5111
03:34:51,680 --> 03:34:52,479
>> Okay.

5112
03:34:52,479 --> 03:34:54,319
>> Do you mind if I And Mike, you had your

5113
03:34:54,319 --> 03:34:55,520
hand up, so I just had a couple more

5114
03:34:55,520 --> 03:34:56,160
questions.

5115
03:34:56,160 --> 03:34:56,800
>> Has his hand up.

5116
03:34:56,800 --> 03:34:58,720
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Doc, do you want to

5117
03:34:58,720 --> 03:35:00,319
go? And I'll

5118
03:35:00,319 --> 03:35:02,640
>> Yeah, just to just uh Sorry, I'm having

5119
03:35:02,640 --> 03:35:04,720
a hard time hearing here, but just

5120
03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:06,880
Melody, did you say uh there would be a

5121
03:35:06,880 --> 03:35:10,960
separate RFP for lot attendance, I

5122
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:12,560
believe, right?

5123
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:15,040
>> Yeah. Shuttle attendance. Yes.

5124
03:35:15,040 --> 03:35:17,120
>> Is that where where is that getting paid

5125
03:35:17,120 --> 03:35:21,600
from? Is that the same pot of money or is the county putting that bill?

5126
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:23,600
>> County is not putting that bill. It may

5127
03:35:23,600 --> 03:35:26,640
be left over from the money that is in

5128
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:28,640
there. You know, the National Park

5129
03:35:28,640 --> 03:35:32,560
Service is it's a it's a mandatory

5130
03:35:32,560 --> 03:35:36,239
um request by them. And so I think it's,

5131
03:35:36,239 --> 03:35:37,840
you know, it's we're not going to let it

5132
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:39,040
off the shuttle, but it's definitely

5133
03:35:39,040 --> 03:35:40,319
something that's going to be have to be

5134
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:42,319
funded.

5135
03:35:42,319 --> 03:35:43,840
Um the allocation has

5136
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:47,990
>> Oh, now he's%.

5137
03:35:48,000 --> 03:35:50,960
» All right. So, we're not sure um how and

5138
03:35:50,960 --> 03:35:54,880
then in the looking through the VIA um

5139
03:35:54,880 --> 03:35:58,239
proposal, they said there'd be weekly

5140
03:35:58,239 --> 03:36:00,319
meetings with the county and then and

5141
03:36:00,319 --> 03:36:03,359
then more intensive uh monthly and

5142
03:36:03,359 --> 03:36:05,279
quarterly meetings with the county. Have

5143
03:36:05,279 --> 03:36:07,439
we figured out who the county contact is

5144
03:36:07,439 --> 03:36:08,640
going to be on that? It seems like

5145
03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:10,560
that's going to be a relatively large

5146
03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:11,840
job. We already made that group.

5147
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,200
>> I think it'll stay the same people that

5148
03:36:13,200 --> 03:36:15,040
are already involved.

5149
03:36:15,040 --> 03:36:16,560
>> So, commissioners.

5150
03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:17,920
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

5151
03:36:17,920 --> 03:36:19,359
>> So, the commissioners will actually be

5152
03:36:19,359 --> 03:36:22,000
the contact. I'm I'm sorry.

5153
03:36:22,000 --> 03:36:24,160
>> Melissa,

5154
03:36:24,160 --> 03:36:25,680
>> commissioners and Melissa.

5155
03:36:25,680 --> 03:36:28,399
>> Yeah.

5156
03:36:28,399 --> 03:36:31,279
>> Thanks.

5157
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:32,960
>> Have more questions, y'all. Trish has

5158
03:36:32,960 --> 03:36:34,160
some more. You have more question.

5159
03:36:34,160 --> 03:36:36,560
>> No, no, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm good. I

5160
03:36:36,560 --> 03:36:38,319
have just two I have just two questions

5161
03:36:38,319 --> 03:36:42,080
and then later I'll go on to um on the

5162
03:36:42,080 --> 03:36:44,160
county you know on what we put out to

5163
03:36:44,160 --> 03:36:46,160
the public one of the things they

5164
03:36:46,160 --> 03:36:48,319
mentioned was you know we wanted to get

5165
03:36:48,319 --> 03:36:52,319
this done because of the funding that it

5166
03:36:52,319 --> 03:36:54,399
was centennial funding that was only

5167
03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:58,160
obligated until the the end of 2026. Is

5168
03:36:58,160 --> 03:37:00,000
that correct? I don't feel like that's

5169
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:00,720
correct.

5170
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:02,160
>> They changed it.

5171
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:03,840
>> Okay. Can you can you explain that?

5172
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:04,560
>> Yeah. So the

5173
03:37:04,560 --> 03:37:05,760
>> So I think we should change it on the

5174
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:07,520
county website too. Just saying because

5175
03:37:07,520 --> 03:37:08,720
that's what it says on the county

5176
03:37:08,720 --> 03:37:09,439
website.

5177
03:37:09,439 --> 03:37:12,399
>> I believe that it did explain in the uh

5178
03:37:12,399 --> 03:37:14,319
um the letter that Melissa had just put

5179
03:37:14,319 --> 03:37:16,479
out. So as things were putting together,

5180
03:37:16,479 --> 03:37:18,399
we were looking at the centennial

5181
03:37:18,399 --> 03:37:21,359
funding. The uh National Park Service

5182
03:37:21,359 --> 03:37:23,760
while we were in the working group said

5183
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:25,120
that that we're committing the funds,

5184
03:37:25,120 --> 03:37:26,479
but we need to just kind of figure it

5185
03:37:26,479 --> 03:37:28,560
out themselves. And so they actually

5186
03:37:28,560 --> 03:37:30,960
found more flexibility in some other in

5187
03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:32,960
another funding source that they can

5188
03:37:32,960 --> 03:37:33,760
use. Okay.

5189
03:37:33,760 --> 03:37:36,640
>> Um the the the uh uh requirements behind

5190
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:38,239
that funding source I'm not as familiar

5191
03:37:38,239 --> 03:37:39,760
with because they didn't do any of the

5192
03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:41,920
research with it. Um all I know is that

5193
03:37:41,920 --> 03:37:43,200
they said that they've committed those

5194
03:37:43,200 --> 03:37:46,399
funds for us once we get the this.

5195
03:37:46,399 --> 03:37:48,720
>> Okay. So say yes so sorry that was what

5196
03:37:48,720 --> 03:37:50,239
was on the county. And then the last

5197
03:37:50,239 --> 03:37:52,239
thing it said that the National Park

5198
03:37:52,239 --> 03:37:54,560
Service has reviewed all the RFPs. Is

5199
03:37:54,560 --> 03:37:56,080
that correct?

5200
03:37:56,080 --> 03:37:58,000
>> Okay. And do they make a recommendation

5201
03:37:58,000 --> 03:37:59,600
or they just say yep we've reviewed

5202
03:37:59,600 --> 03:38:02,319
them. We have no substantive comments.

5203
03:38:02,319 --> 03:38:04,880
No, because the CMA authorizes the

5204
03:38:04,880 --> 03:38:06,720
county to be the one that is executing

5205
03:38:06,720 --> 03:38:09,040
this. So, they don't they don't have to.

5206
03:38:09,040 --> 03:38:10,800
>> Yeah, we did send those. So, they I did

5207
03:38:10,800 --> 03:38:13,200
send them all to Lena and then she sent

5208
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:14,720
them off to their procurement person to

5209
03:38:14,720 --> 03:38:16,000
make sure that there was nothing in

5210
03:38:16,000 --> 03:38:18,319
there that was um they had conflicts

5211
03:38:18,319 --> 03:38:19,359
with

5212
03:38:19,359 --> 03:38:20,319
>> and there was none.

5213
03:38:20,319 --> 03:38:21,200
>> Okay, thank you.

5214
03:38:21,200 --> 03:38:22,640
>> And there were long there were long

5215
03:38:22,640 --> 03:38:25,120
discussions on how that scoring went and

5216
03:38:25,120 --> 03:38:26,640
what we were looking for out of a

5217
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:28,880
vendor. So, this wasn't

5218
03:38:28,880 --> 03:38:31,439
>> this wasn't done in the back end. And

5219
03:38:31,439 --> 03:38:32,800
then just real quick, because again

5220
03:38:32,800 --> 03:38:34,560
we're kind of working with the um with

5221
03:38:34,560 --> 03:38:39,520
the CMA, how it's structured is that the county is agreeing to meet

5222
03:38:39,520 --> 03:38:42,479
obligations set by the NPS and the

5223
03:38:42,479 --> 03:38:44,720
partners to achieve certain goals. So

5224
03:38:44,720 --> 03:38:47,359
that's what's creating the need for this

5225
03:38:47,359 --> 03:38:49,920
additional RFP. So that's how it's how

5226
03:38:49,920 --> 03:38:53,120
it's being structured is instead of them

5227
03:38:53,120 --> 03:38:55,600
hiring them directly, the county is is

5228
03:38:55,600 --> 03:38:58,160
obligated to to fulfill these uh

5229
03:38:58,160 --> 03:39:00,239
additional elements and complete the

5230
03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:02,399
whatever tasks are. And so that and

5231
03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:04,479
that's the that's what's compelling will

5232
03:39:04,479 --> 03:39:05,840
compel the county to continue that

5233
03:39:05,840 --> 03:39:10,150
obligation through this campaign.

5234
03:39:10,160 --> 03:39:11,840
» All right,

5235
03:39:11,840 --> 03:39:16,239
we're good. We have first second

5236
03:39:16,239 --> 03:39:20,479
comment or whenever

5237
03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:22,239
you have you have a comment now. Go

5238
03:39:22,239 --> 03:39:24,399
ahead. Sure. I mean just Yeah, since we

5239
03:39:24,399 --> 03:39:26,720
have a first and second. So I won't be

5240
03:39:26,720 --> 03:39:29,680
um I will not be voting for this. The

5241
03:39:29,680 --> 03:39:32,319
issues that stand out to me are the fact

5242
03:39:32,319 --> 03:39:34,720
that we do have a separation of the

5243
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:37,600
shuttle service and the probably

5244
03:39:37,600 --> 03:39:38,880
whatever you want to call them parking

5245
03:39:38,880 --> 03:39:41,359
lot attendance. That's concerning to me.

5246
03:39:41,359 --> 03:39:42,720
I think it would have been better

5247
03:39:42,720 --> 03:39:46,080
incorporated as one. I'm concerned about

5248
03:39:46,080 --> 03:39:48,399
the amount of money in the short term,

5249
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:50,399
just the short-term availability of the

5250
03:39:50,399 --> 03:39:53,439
shuttle, whether it be the limited time,

5251
03:39:53,439 --> 03:39:56,560
the limited routes. Um, it is a

5252
03:39:56,560 --> 03:39:58,640
tremendous amount of money. I'm a little

5253
03:39:58,640 --> 03:40:02,880
concerned looking at the RFPs that

5254
03:40:02,880 --> 03:40:04,880
just the verbiage in one of them, you

5255
03:40:04,880 --> 03:40:07,680
know, said and and maybe it was just the

5256
03:40:07,680 --> 03:40:09,600
way I was reading it said on the cover

5257
03:40:09,600 --> 03:40:12,239
letter, "Our legal team has reviewed the

5258
03:40:12,239 --> 03:40:14,479
terms and we find them acceptable." It's

5259
03:40:14,479 --> 03:40:16,399
like they almost knew that they had

5260
03:40:16,399 --> 03:40:17,920
already been chosen, but that's just my

5261
03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:23,359
reading of it. So, I'm just stating my concerns. Um, and then the last big

5262
03:40:23,359 --> 03:40:25,920
concern is I'm concerned for the

5263
03:40:25,920 --> 03:40:27,680
subcommittee. I think this is a

5264
03:40:27,680 --> 03:40:30,560
monstrous job

5265
03:40:30,560 --> 03:40:32,880
and I hope you guys I hope you're okay.

5266
03:40:32,880 --> 03:40:34,427
I mean hopefully you can do it.

5267
03:40:34,427 --> 03:40:34,960
[laughter]

5268
03:40:34,960 --> 03:40:38,960
Um my concern is that

5269
03:40:38,960 --> 03:40:41,040
someday soon you'll return and ask for

5270
03:40:41,040 --> 03:40:43,680
another position at the county level and

5271
03:40:43,680 --> 03:40:48,560
we just I that that's my concern. Um I I

5272
03:40:48,560 --> 03:40:51,279
don't want this to be a larger burden on

5273
03:40:51,279 --> 03:40:53,920
the citizens of this community. I think

5274
03:40:53,920 --> 03:40:56,640
it's it's an interesting prospect. I

5275
03:40:56,640 --> 03:40:58,239
just don't want to put it on taxpayers

5276
03:40:58,239 --> 03:40:59,920
backs and so hopefully we won't see

5277
03:40:59,920 --> 03:41:02,560
that. Hopefully, you know, we have a

5278
03:41:02,560 --> 03:41:04,720
team that will be able to handle putting

5279
03:41:04,720 --> 03:41:06,720
that together and managing this system.

5280
03:41:06,720 --> 03:41:08,399
But I think it's I think it's going to

5281
03:41:08,399 --> 03:41:10,800
be I think it's big. I think it's a big

5282
03:41:10,800 --> 03:41:12,418
undertaking.

5283
03:41:12,418 --> 03:41:12,960
[clears throat]

5284
03:41:12,960 --> 03:41:15,279
Mary,

5285
03:41:15,279 --> 03:41:18,239
>> I just want to know

5286
03:41:18,239 --> 03:41:21,439
this statement. I've uh spent a great

5287
03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:24,880
deal of time with uh Miss Pace uh at

5288
03:41:24,880 --> 03:41:26,960
Canyon Country Partnership and other

5289
03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:30,880
meetings and she wanted to be part of

5290
03:41:30,880 --> 03:41:33,439
the conversation.

5291
03:41:33,439 --> 03:41:36,080
She never wanted

5292
03:41:36,080 --> 03:41:39,680
to push having a shuttle this soon.

5293
03:41:39,680 --> 03:41:41,920
And I I think it's important that we

5294
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:43,520
don't

5295
03:41:43,520 --> 03:41:46,560
uh take that her willingness to be part

5296
03:41:46,560 --> 03:41:50,399
of the conversation as her

5297
03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:52,720
saying the shadow system is a great

5298
03:41:52,720 --> 03:41:57,750
idea.

5299
03:41:57,760 --> 03:42:00,319
» Go ahead, Mike.

5300
03:42:00,319 --> 03:42:01,040
>> If you feel like

5301
03:42:01,040 --> 03:42:03,439
>> Yeah, I'm ready to call. Yeah. Great. So

5302
03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:06,640
all those in favor of um via

5303
03:42:06,640 --> 03:42:09,840
transportation as the proposal

5304
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:11,920
and those opposed

5305
03:42:11,920 --> 03:42:12,800
nay.

5306
03:42:12,800 --> 03:42:16,080
>> Okay, that passes seven 43 with

5307
03:42:16,080 --> 03:42:17,680
commissioner man, commissioner and

5308
03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:20,080
commissioner opposed.

5309
03:42:20,080 --> 03:42:23,439
We move on to our next one is the mod

5310
03:42:23,439 --> 03:42:26,000
holiday festival the lights on through

5311
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:27,760
Christmas. This is number 11. So

5312
03:42:27,760 --> 03:42:31,429
commissioner Martinez.

5313
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:33,920
» Yeah. So, this is just a continuation on

5314
03:42:33,920 --> 03:42:36,080
what we did last year with the lighting

5315
03:42:36,080 --> 03:42:38,560
of the bridge and the trees down there.

5316
03:42:38,560 --> 03:42:42,319
Um, it uh will be combined with the what

5317
03:42:42,319 --> 03:42:44,160
the city's doing, their lighting of the

5318
03:42:44,160 --> 03:42:46,080
tree, which is on December 4th. The

5319
03:42:46,080 --> 03:42:48,560
holiday craft fair which is on December

5320
03:42:48,560 --> 03:42:51,840
4th and 5th, the Moab Locals 10K which

5321
03:42:51,840 --> 03:42:54,399
is on December 5th, the Electric Light

5322
03:42:54,399 --> 03:42:56,640
Parade on Main Street which is December

5323
03:42:56,640 --> 03:42:59,279
5th. And then the uh uh the county

5324
03:42:59,279 --> 03:43:02,000
holiday festival we're planning for on

5325
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:05,200
December 11th. Um and that's going to

5326
03:43:05,200 --> 03:43:07,200
include the uh the tree and the bridge

5327
03:43:07,200 --> 03:43:09,439
lighting. Um we're looking into a drone

5328
03:43:09,439 --> 03:43:13,040
show and then a PR activation with camp

5329
03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:15,439
stories um to promote latefall

5330
03:43:15,439 --> 03:43:17,600
visitation including media pitching,

5331
03:43:17,600 --> 03:43:20,239
journalist journalist hosting and

5332
03:43:20,239 --> 03:43:23,199
content creation leading up to the

5333
03:43:23,199 --> 03:43:26,880
festival. Um yeah, with lighting the

5334
03:43:26,880 --> 03:43:29,199
bridgewalk and Santa Claus, all the

5335
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:32,000
bells and whistles. So

5336
03:43:32,000 --> 03:43:34,000
the uh Oh yeah, just a pass off. So it

5337
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:36,239
did pass through the MTAB board with a

5338
03:43:36,239 --> 03:43:39,279
favorable recommendation and it is I

5339
03:43:39,279 --> 03:43:41,199
think it's pretty comparable to what was

5340
03:43:41,199 --> 03:43:42,560
spent last year

5341
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:45,040
>> and it's funded from TRT promotion.

5342
03:43:45,040 --> 03:43:50,389
>> TRT promotion. Correct.

5343
03:43:50,399 --> 03:43:54,160
I move to approve up to $175,000

5344
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:56,960
for the Moab Holiday Festival. I think

5345
03:43:56,960 --> 03:43:59,600
it sounds great.

5346
03:43:59,600 --> 03:44:01,520
>> Okay.

5347
03:44:01,520 --> 03:44:02,720
Did you have a hand up?

5348
03:44:02,720 --> 03:44:04,080
>> I was just rubbing my head.

5349
03:44:04,080 --> 03:44:07,279
>> Okay. Any questions, comments?

5350
03:44:07,279 --> 03:44:10,239
And tab board approved this unanimously.

5351
03:44:10,239 --> 03:44:13,279
Did you say that? Yep.

5352
03:44:13,279 --> 03:44:18,550
Thanks. All in favor?

5353
03:44:18,560 --> 03:44:20,800
Jock. Any opposed?

5354
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:24,160
>> I You're in favor, right?

5355
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:25,359
>> Yes. I

5356
03:44:25,359 --> 03:44:26,319
>> Okay,

5357
03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:29,439
>> that passes 70. Thank you.

5358
03:44:29,439 --> 03:44:32,319
Okay, so number 12 is the resolution

5359
03:44:32,319 --> 03:44:33,920
amending the policies and procedures of

5360
03:44:33,920 --> 03:44:36,960
the governing body. And we have a couple

5361
03:44:36,960 --> 03:44:44,160
different um pieces in the

5362
03:44:44,160 --> 03:44:46,160
we have the old one. We have the

5363
03:44:46,160 --> 03:44:48,319
redlinined one and we have an ordinance

5364
03:44:48,319 --> 03:44:50,720
for that. And I don't know I I'm open to

5365
03:44:50,720 --> 03:44:53,279
some discussion before we take take a

5366
03:44:53,279 --> 03:44:55,439
vote or if we want to table this if we

5367
03:44:55,439 --> 03:44:56,720
don't feel like we're ready. I know that

5368
03:44:56,720 --> 03:45:00,160
there's been workshops for this.

5369
03:45:00,160 --> 03:45:03,199
Couple commissioners absent but go ahead

5370
03:45:03,199 --> 03:45:06,399
Trish. Um, I I really appreciate the

5371
03:45:06,399 --> 03:45:10,560
workshops. It goes a long way. And so I guess I just have a couple comments.

5372
03:45:10,560 --> 03:45:12,640
And this actually isn't to manipulate

5373
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:14,640
this document now. It's maybe just to

5374
03:45:14,640 --> 03:45:16,640
put it on record so that someday if we

5375
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:19,040
modify it again, it's on record. I do

5376
03:45:19,040 --> 03:45:20,720
think in this document it would be good

5377
03:45:20,720 --> 03:45:24,560
for us to broach grandma requests and

5378
03:45:24,560 --> 03:45:26,479
commissioners obligations to grandmas

5379
03:45:26,479 --> 03:45:29,600
because we are seeming to have a lot of

5380
03:45:29,600 --> 03:45:32,000
trouble with grandmas more recently. And

5381
03:45:32,000 --> 03:45:34,479
I and I do think there's just a burden

5382
03:45:34,479 --> 03:45:40,479
that is on um it's it's a it's become a quite a large burden. So

5383
03:45:40,479 --> 03:45:41,920
that's just for the future. We don't

5384
03:45:41,920 --> 03:45:43,199
need to modify anything now.

5385
03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:45,040
>> We get paid fulltime because I mean it's

5386
03:45:45,040 --> 03:45:48,800
like about it really like he said it

5387
03:45:48,800 --> 03:45:50,399
comes in pulses. So you really don't

5388
03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:53,040
want a full right like it's this pulse

5389
03:45:53,040 --> 03:45:55,040
in a pulse

5390
03:45:55,040 --> 03:45:55,359
time.

5391
03:45:55,359 --> 03:45:59,840
>> Yeah, it does. But I don't think it it would it behooves us to hire another

5392
03:45:59,840 --> 03:46:01,760
person. Um I already talked to him about

5393
03:46:01,760 --> 03:46:03,600
that. And then the last one, and again

5394
03:46:03,600 --> 03:46:05,760
this isn't to man manipulate this for

5395
03:46:05,760 --> 03:46:10,399
now, just future um just future is just

5396
03:46:10,399 --> 03:46:12,479
the commissioner's involvement in

5397
03:46:12,479 --> 03:46:14,800
operational issues and and I don't think

5398
03:46:14,800 --> 03:46:16,560
we really define that enough. And again,

5399
03:46:16,560 --> 03:46:18,000
I don't want to manipulate the document

5400
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:19,520
now. I appreciate the workshop. I

5401
03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:21,359
appreciate the work. And I'm going to

5402
03:46:21,359 --> 03:46:24,080
call it good. So that being said, I'm

5403
03:46:24,080 --> 03:46:26,239
not actually going to make a motion,

5404
03:46:26,239 --> 03:46:29,040
which I never do anymore.

5405
03:46:29,040 --> 03:46:31,279
Sit here quietly. I move to approve the

5406
03:46:31,279 --> 03:46:32,880
resolution amending the policies and

5407
03:46:32,880 --> 03:46:34,560
procedures of the governing body as

5408
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:37,439
presented and allowing commissioner comm

5409
03:46:37,439 --> 03:46:42,239
admin to make what is that? What is that say?

5410
03:46:42,239 --> 03:46:45,120
>> Minimal. It's like minimus. Minimus. So

5411
03:46:45,120 --> 03:46:47,600
minimus. Thank you.

5412
03:46:47,600 --> 03:46:48,720
>> I'm spelling things.

5413
03:46:48,720 --> 03:46:51,439
>> Yeah. No. Correct. I thank you.

5414
03:46:51,439 --> 03:46:53,359
Corrections to the document if necessary

5415
03:46:53,359 --> 03:46:55,279
before signing.

5416
03:46:55,279 --> 03:46:58,000
>> Mike second. But well, I'm everywhere

5417
03:46:58,000 --> 03:46:59,199
too.

5418
03:46:59,199 --> 03:47:00,399
>> Okay.

5419
03:47:00,399 --> 03:47:05,199
>> Have any more any more discussion?

5420
03:47:05,199 --> 03:47:07,040
I want to thank everybody for their time

5421
03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:08,640
on this as well. I think it's turned out

5422
03:47:08,640 --> 03:47:10,160
pretty good and it does have quite a

5423
03:47:10,160 --> 03:47:13,520
bit. It doesn't address grandmas at all

5424
03:47:13,520 --> 03:47:15,040
in there. Does it address grand? Because

5425
03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:17,199
that is not ultimately

5426
03:47:17,199 --> 03:47:19,840
>> our you have to get the information back

5427
03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:22,239
to them.

5428
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:22,640
>> Time.

5429
03:47:22,640 --> 03:47:24,800
>> I think commissioners need I respond. I

5430
03:47:24,800 --> 03:47:25,600
do mine as fast as

5431
03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:26,160
>> I know you do.

5432
03:47:26,160 --> 03:47:27,920
>> It takes forever, too. I have to fit it

5433
03:47:27,920 --> 03:47:30,000
in my day. I'm like, I don't know. But

5434
03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:32,239
>> I I we I know we've talked about grandma

5435
03:47:32,239 --> 03:47:34,640
some processes. We just we need to that

5436
03:47:34,640 --> 03:47:37,040
needs to be a separate piece. I agree.

5437
03:47:37,040 --> 03:47:39,279
>> 100%. So, figuring out what we're doing

5438
03:47:39,279 --> 03:47:39,840
with those.

5439
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:40,239
>> Okay.

5440
03:47:40,239 --> 03:47:42,160
>> Um and then I do think that we did add

5441
03:47:42,160 --> 03:47:44,399
some extra language in here about

5442
03:47:44,399 --> 03:47:45,760
commissioners and what their

5443
03:47:45,760 --> 03:47:47,359
responsibility is, especially when it

5444
03:47:47,359 --> 03:47:48,960
comes to staff,

5445
03:47:48,960 --> 03:47:52,080
>> you know, getting directly telling them

5446
03:47:52,080 --> 03:47:53,920
what to do and things. So there is some

5447
03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:55,760
in there. We'll see how it goes. We can

5448
03:47:55,760 --> 03:47:57,600
always check on this another year or

5449
03:47:57,600 --> 03:47:58,560
two. Go ahead.

5450
03:47:58,560 --> 03:48:01,199
>> I have had staff come to me and say they

5451
03:48:01,199 --> 03:48:02,960
are very thankful that that we're

5452
03:48:02,960 --> 03:48:06,960
putting something in the policies. They

5453
03:48:06,960 --> 03:48:10,560
the commission cannot ask ask staff to

5454
03:48:10,560 --> 03:48:13,680
do certain things. It has to be a

5455
03:48:13,680 --> 03:48:16,399
commission decision. And I think but and

5456
03:48:16,399 --> 03:48:18,399
that but then that becomes confusing. So

5457
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:20,160
I think maybe in the future when we look

5458
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:22,080
at this we might say because like if you

5459
03:48:22,080 --> 03:48:24,399
call a staff and say how much did we

5460
03:48:24,399 --> 03:48:27,040
spend on da

5461
03:48:27,040 --> 03:48:29,439
you know for information should be just

5462
03:48:29,439 --> 03:48:32,000
an okay thing to do but when you're

5463
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:33,680
asking them to do something that's going

5464
03:48:33,680 --> 03:48:36,239
to take over a half hour then I think it

5465
03:48:36,239 --> 03:48:39,520
has to go through admin. So anyway, but

5466
03:48:39,520 --> 03:48:41,840
I think maybe that could tighten it up a

5467
03:48:41,840 --> 03:48:45,359
bit for later because the staff feel

5468
03:48:45,359 --> 03:48:48,239
very if a commissioner asks a staff

5469
03:48:48,239 --> 03:48:49,840
member to do something, they feel

5470
03:48:49,840 --> 03:48:52,720
obligated to do it and it puts them in

5471
03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:55,359
an awkward work place, especially if

5472
03:48:55,359 --> 03:48:57,359
they're already if they have a lot on

5473
03:48:57,359 --> 03:49:00,960
their plate as when you come and ask

5474
03:49:00,960 --> 03:49:04,160
them to do something.

5475
03:49:04,160 --> 03:49:06,160
And sure, do do we know if the the

5476
03:49:06,160 --> 03:49:08,080
breakdown of the agenda review was was

5477
03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:08,640
added to

5478
03:49:08,640 --> 03:49:09,840
>> it was added to?

5479
03:49:09,840 --> 03:49:10,239
>> Yeah.

5480
03:49:10,239 --> 03:49:11,680
>> Okay. Just I don't know if

5481
03:49:11,680 --> 03:49:12,960
>> so yeah I don't know that was not

5482
03:49:12,960 --> 03:49:15,040
discussed in the in any workshop.

5483
03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:18,800
>> So we did add in there that the that the

5484
03:49:18,800 --> 03:49:21,120
agenda review would have the chair the

5485
03:49:21,120 --> 03:49:23,840
vice chair and a commissioner from the

5486
03:49:23,840 --> 03:49:26,000
minority if that was not represented by

5487
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:28,160
the chair or vice chair. So that say

5488
03:49:28,160 --> 03:49:29,920
we've been doing that since I became a

5489
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:31,040
commissioner. That's been happening and

5490
03:49:31,040 --> 03:49:33,439
I think it's been great. Uh so we wanted

5491
03:49:33,439 --> 03:49:35,359
to capture that in the agenda in the

5492
03:49:35,359 --> 03:49:37,439
policies and procedures as well as the

5493
03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:41,840
county attorney um are an admin. So that

5494
03:49:41,840 --> 03:49:43,520
it just it just defines it in there and

5495
03:49:43,520 --> 03:49:44,880
that was not

5496
03:49:44,880 --> 03:49:48,319
>> that was not spoken about. I did

5497
03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:49,760
>> sometimes I think we talk about it but

5498
03:49:49,760 --> 03:49:50,960
maybe it didn't get captured but it's

5499
03:49:50,960 --> 03:49:54,550
definitely in there now.

5500
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,960
» All right. So we would any other

5501
03:49:56,960 --> 03:49:59,760
discussion on this?

5502
03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:01,840
>> Thanks for leading the charge. Actually,

5503
03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:05,920
thanks Tom Ad. Thank you very much for

5504
03:50:05,920 --> 03:50:07,040
doing this. I know it was a lot of work

5505
03:50:07,040 --> 03:50:08,560
and it's been a lot of work especially

5506
03:50:08,560 --> 03:50:11,439
Dana. Dana, thank you. All right, we'll

5507
03:50:11,439 --> 03:50:14,000
go ahead and call for a vote. Those in

5508
03:50:14,000 --> 03:50:15,920
favor

5509
03:50:15,920 --> 03:50:17,439
>> I

5510
03:50:17,439 --> 03:50:21,199
passes 70. And that does mean that now

5511
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:23,840
citizens to be heard will be after 5:00.

5512
03:50:23,840 --> 03:50:25,279
So that we were only going to have one

5513
03:50:25,279 --> 03:50:26,640
citizens to be heard. That was a piece

5514
03:50:26,640 --> 03:50:29,359
of it. Um

5515
03:50:29,359 --> 03:50:31,120
we our goal is to get out of here before

5516
03:50:31,120 --> 03:50:33,520
six o'clock if believe it or not you

5517
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:35,920
know and so um and and when we do that

5518
03:50:35,920 --> 03:50:37,439
agenda review we'll try to make sure

5519
03:50:37,439 --> 03:50:38,880
that anything that's going to be

5520
03:50:38,880 --> 03:50:40,880
controversial that we put it after that

5521
03:50:40,880 --> 03:50:43,279
citizens be heard time so that people

5522
03:50:43,279 --> 03:50:45,439
can come and discuss it because we have

5523
03:50:45,439 --> 03:50:46,880
a lot of business we can talk about that

5524
03:50:46,880 --> 03:50:49,600
isn't necessarily controversial.

5525
03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:52,160
All right, moving along to number 13 is

5526
03:50:52,160 --> 03:50:58,880
the res resolution oiler lot line adjustment

5527
03:50:58,880 --> 03:51:05,189
z

5528
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:07,199
Andrew Jackson

5529
03:51:07,199 --> 03:51:09,040
planner

5530
03:51:09,040 --> 03:51:12,479
Bo Oiler of Oiler Properties LC owns two

5531
03:51:12,479 --> 03:51:15,680
neighboring lots and del soul he wants

5532
03:51:15,680 --> 03:51:17,760
to move the lot line between them so the

5533
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:20,720
existing house on lot 26 has a required

5534
03:51:20,720 --> 03:51:24,960
10-ft sideyard. Lot 27 is vacant owns

5535
03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:27,520
both the lots. Noted lot is created.

5536
03:51:27,520 --> 03:51:29,920
Both lots stay well above the minimum

5537
03:51:29,920 --> 03:51:33,359
size and utility easement moves with the

5538
03:51:33,359 --> 03:51:36,160
lot line. State law allows the county to

5539
03:51:36,160 --> 03:51:37,840
approve this without a public hearing

5540
03:51:37,840 --> 03:51:40,880
because one owner holds both lots and no

5541
03:51:40,880 --> 03:51:43,680
street or common areas touched. Staff

5542
03:51:43,680 --> 03:51:46,720
check the survey math. Um I think

5543
03:51:46,720 --> 03:51:51,680
there's a maybe a a um bearing that goes

5544
03:51:51,680 --> 03:51:54,479
northeast instead of southwest.

5545
03:51:54,479 --> 03:51:57,279
Uh the recorded plat neighborhood

5546
03:51:57,279 --> 03:51:59,520
covenants they found no conflict

5547
03:51:59,520 --> 03:52:04,160
recommended approval um again just a few

5548
03:52:04,160 --> 03:52:06,115
clean up things before recording.

5549
03:52:06,115 --> 03:52:06,880
[clears throat]

5550
03:52:06,880 --> 03:52:09,120
And I also have to note that in the

5551
03:52:09,120 --> 03:52:12,160
suggestion motion and in the resolution

5552
03:52:12,160 --> 03:52:15,199
um many of you may be aware that in

5553
03:52:15,199 --> 03:52:19,439
November of 2025 the state changed the

5554
03:52:19,439 --> 03:52:23,520
county section code from 1727A

5555
03:52:23,520 --> 03:52:26,399
to 1779.

5556
03:52:26,399 --> 03:52:29,840
Some of those things were directly moved

5557
03:52:29,840 --> 03:52:32,080
over from one to the other like two one

5558
03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:34,960
in one is still two two one the other

5559
03:52:34,960 --> 03:52:37,600
but some things didn't go eye for eye

5560
03:52:37,600 --> 03:52:41,439
and tooth for tooth between them and so

5561
03:52:41,439 --> 03:52:46,560
um this is actually should be 1779 EO6

5562
03:52:46,560 --> 03:52:51,120
instead of 608 deals with wetlands

5563
03:52:51,120 --> 03:52:52,080
um

5564
03:52:52,080 --> 03:52:55,279
>> which just went that so if you look at

5565
03:52:55,279 --> 03:52:57,920
like the subject motion and it says on

5566
03:52:57,920 --> 03:52:59,920
the second line that's addressed motion

5567
03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:02,560
Utah code 1778608

5568
03:53:02,560 --> 03:53:05,840
that should be 1779 806

5569
03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:12,309
>> 806 it was just so

5570
03:53:12,319 --> 03:53:16,309
» okay go ahead

5571
03:53:16,319 --> 03:53:18,560
» having considered the staff report the

5572
03:53:18,560 --> 03:53:21,040
proposed amendment plat the recorded

5573
03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:22,560
phase

5574
03:53:22,560 --> 03:53:26,720
13 plat the pesta soul covenants and the

5575
03:53:26,720 --> 03:53:32,229
Utah code 17-79-806

5576
03:53:32,239 --> 03:53:34,399
and finding that the petition is signed

5577
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:37,120
by the owner of all affected lots that

5578
03:53:37,120 --> 03:53:39,760
no public street is vacated and that the

5579
03:53:39,760 --> 03:53:41,840
amended plat is consistent with the

5580
03:53:41,840 --> 03:53:44,560
recorded plat and the covenants. I move

5581
03:53:44,560 --> 03:53:48,319
to adopt resolution number approving the

5582
03:53:48,319 --> 03:53:50,160
final to be determined correct.

5583
03:53:50,160 --> 03:53:52,560
Approving the final plat of pestad del

5584
03:53:52,560 --> 03:53:57,520
soul page 13 lots 26 and 27 amended

5585
03:53:57,520 --> 03:53:59,279
subject to the conditions in the

5586
03:53:59,279 --> 03:54:01,600
resolution and to authorize the chair to

5587
03:54:01,600 --> 03:54:04,000
sign the plot once the planning and

5588
03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:06,479
zoning director confirms the conditions

5589
03:54:06,479 --> 03:54:07,520
have been met

5590
03:54:07,520 --> 03:54:10,479
>> and also sign the resolution. Sorry,

5591
03:54:10,479 --> 03:54:16,239
just want to make sure the resolution. Yep.

5592
03:54:16,239 --> 03:54:19,680
>> Mary, a second. Hey,

5593
03:54:19,680 --> 03:54:23,760
any conversation? Any questions?

5594
03:54:23,760 --> 03:54:30,229
All right. Those in favor?

5595
03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:35,189
» Doc

5596
03:54:35,199 --> 03:54:36,479
need my be out of there. So,

5597
03:54:36,479 --> 03:54:37,439
>> I like it, but I wasn't.

5598
03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:39,520
>> It's okay. We have five. That's going to

5599
03:54:39,520 --> 03:54:41,680
pass five with one abstension and one

5600
03:54:41,680 --> 03:54:42,960
absent.

5601
03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:44,479
>> All right,

5602
03:54:44,479 --> 03:54:46,880
moving along to the next one. Temporary

5603
03:54:46,880 --> 03:54:50,479
Sims reszone number 14.

5604
03:54:50,479 --> 03:54:52,239
>> Um, this proposal would change the

5605
03:54:52,239 --> 03:54:55,040
zoning of a 1acre property along Highway

5606
03:54:55,040 --> 03:54:57,279
191 from a mix of highway commercial and

5607
03:54:57,279 --> 03:54:59,920
general business to entirely highway

5608
03:54:59,920 --> 03:55:02,160
commercial. The change eliminates split

5609
03:55:02,160 --> 03:55:04,160
zoning on the parl creates consistent

5610
03:55:04,160 --> 03:55:06,080
development standards and aligns with

5611
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:07,279
the countyy's general plan and

5612
03:55:07,279 --> 03:55:09,439
surrounding highway oriented uh

5613
03:55:09,439 --> 03:55:11,199
commercial uses. Staff recommends

5614
03:55:11,199 --> 03:55:15,439
approval of this um

5615
03:55:15,439 --> 03:55:17,840
it went to the planning commission like

5616
03:55:17,840 --> 03:55:18,960
a couple months ago.

5617
03:55:18,960 --> 03:55:20,319
>> Yeah, it's in there.

5618
03:55:20,319 --> 03:55:22,239
>> And I think it was like a

5619
03:55:22,239 --> 03:55:23,120
>> 70 I think

5620
03:55:23,120 --> 03:55:27,680
>> 70 or something like that on this.

5621
03:55:27,680 --> 03:55:28,239
It was

5622
03:55:28,239 --> 03:55:29,760
>> or 61

5623
03:55:29,760 --> 03:55:32,239
>> right there or 61.

5624
03:55:32,239 --> 03:55:34,399
>> Yeah, Mary.

5625
03:55:34,399 --> 03:55:34,720
>> Yeah.

5626
03:55:34,720 --> 03:55:38,070
>> Or

5627
03:55:38,080 --> 03:55:39,760
on this one, it didn't make its way to

5628
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:42,960
our our office. So, we would ask for um

5629
03:55:42,960 --> 03:55:45,120
if it is approved tonight that it be

5630
03:55:45,120 --> 03:55:52,389
approved pending.

5631
03:55:52,399 --> 03:55:55,429
Mary,

5632
03:55:55,439 --> 03:55:57,359
having considered the staff report of

5633
03:55:57,359 --> 03:55:59,279
the recommendation, public comments

5634
03:55:59,279 --> 03:56:02,239
testimony and the land use code finding

5635
03:56:02,239 --> 03:56:05,760
that zone change eliminates split zoning

5636
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:08,000
is consistent with the general plan for

5637
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:10,479
most quarterly development. I move to

5638
03:56:10,479 --> 03:56:13,359
approve the approval of the ordinance to

5639
03:56:13,359 --> 03:56:16,640
amend the zoning map for partial

5640
03:56:16,640 --> 03:56:21,590
02-000017-165

5641
03:56:21,600 --> 03:56:24,960
for a split of highway commercial and

5642
03:56:24,960 --> 03:56:27,920
general business highway

5643
03:56:27,920 --> 03:56:33,120
>> and legal review. Okay.

5644
03:56:33,120 --> 03:56:36,160
All right. Any other discussion

5645
03:56:36,160 --> 03:56:38,000
questions?

5646
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:40,880
Hearing

5647
03:56:40,880 --> 03:56:42,479
none, I will call for a vote. Those in

5648
03:56:42,479 --> 03:56:44,960
favor

5649
03:56:44,960 --> 03:56:47,120
that passes six with one.

5650
03:56:47,120 --> 03:56:50,389
>> Oh, there we go. Seven. Thank you, John.

5651
03:56:50,389 --> 03:56:51,120
[clears throat]

5652
03:56:51,120 --> 03:56:53,840
And moving on to number 15, ordinance

5653
03:56:53,840 --> 03:56:56,560
temporary land use regulation for data

5654
03:56:56,560 --> 03:56:57,920
centers. Andrew.

5655
03:56:57,920 --> 03:57:01,120
>> Yeah. And so, just a little nomenclature

5656
03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:04,239
um point. When you go to the grocery

5657
03:57:04,239 --> 03:57:07,359
store and you buy a cantaloupe, 90% of

5658
03:57:07,359 --> 03:57:09,279
the time it's not a cantaloupe, it's a

5659
03:57:09,279 --> 03:57:11,279
muskmelon. But nobody wants to buy a

5660
03:57:11,279 --> 03:57:14,640
musk melon. So a muskmelon by any other

5661
03:57:14,640 --> 03:57:17,199
name cantaloupe is still a musk melon,

5662
03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:19,760
right? And so sometimes we talk about

5663
03:57:19,760 --> 03:57:22,000
moratoriums, sometimes we talk about

5664
03:57:22,000 --> 03:57:24,640
temporary land use regulations. Fox

5665
03:57:24,640 --> 03:57:26,880
Elder um did the ordinance as a

5666
03:57:26,880 --> 03:57:31,120
moratorum and um talking with our

5667
03:57:31,120 --> 03:57:36,080
attorney at BART um he requested this be

5668
03:57:36,080 --> 03:57:38,000
identified as a temporary land use

5669
03:57:38,000 --> 03:57:42,080
regulation versus a moratorum but it's

5670
03:57:42,080 --> 03:57:45,510
you know

5671
03:57:45,520 --> 03:57:47,359
» so madam chair members of commission for

5672
03:57:47,359 --> 03:57:48,800
the record in Jackson planning and

5673
03:57:48,800 --> 03:57:51,040
zoning director the second before you

5674
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:53,359
adopts a temporary land use regulation

5675
03:57:53,359 --> 03:57:55,040
that pauses the county's acceptance,

5676
03:57:55,040 --> 03:57:57,520
processing, and approval of applications

5677
03:57:57,520 --> 03:57:59,600
related to data centers, static power

5678
03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:01,520
plants, and associated digital

5679
03:58:01,520 --> 03:58:04,404
infrastructure 180 days. Let me be

5680
03:58:04,404 --> 03:58:05,760
[clears throat] clear at the outset

5681
03:58:05,760 --> 03:58:08,239
about what this is and what this is not.

5682
03:58:08,239 --> 03:58:10,000
a ban and it's not the

5683
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:12,319
county's final position on these uses.

5684
03:58:12,319 --> 03:58:14,399
It's a limited time bounded pause that

5685
03:58:14,399 --> 03:58:16,640
gives staff and commission the room to

5686
03:58:16,640 --> 03:58:19,120
do permanent work properly. I want to

5687
03:58:19,120 --> 03:58:23,600
also underscore um two or three times uh

5688
03:58:23,600 --> 03:58:25,760
up upfront there's no pending data

5689
03:58:25,760 --> 03:58:29,359
center applications before county. Um I

5690
03:58:29,359 --> 03:58:31,120
haven't been in contact with anybody

5691
03:58:31,120 --> 03:58:34,239
that's proposing one or any of that. So

5692
03:58:34,239 --> 03:58:35,840
I I don't want people to think, oh,

5693
03:58:35,840 --> 03:58:37,359
we've got some things in the queue or

5694
03:58:37,359 --> 03:58:39,040
something. Nothing's in our queue.

5695
03:58:39,040 --> 03:58:40,560
Nothing has been submitted. Nothing is

5696
03:58:40,560 --> 03:58:43,520
being suspended by this action. This is

5697
03:58:43,520 --> 03:58:47,680
pre precisely how um this is precisely

5698
03:58:47,680 --> 03:58:50,080
why now is the right time to act. We're

5699
03:58:50,080 --> 03:58:52,399
getting ahead of this proactively on our

5700
03:58:52,399 --> 03:58:55,120
own time lane rather than reaching out

5701
03:58:55,120 --> 03:58:57,680
to an applicant already in the on the uh

5702
03:58:57,680 --> 03:58:59,120
counter application already on the

5703
03:58:59,120 --> 03:59:01,279
counter. The pause simply preserves the

5704
03:59:01,279 --> 03:59:02,720
clean slate while we finish the

5705
03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:05,040
standards. The reason we need to pause

5706
03:59:05,040 --> 03:59:06,560
is straightforward. Our land use code

5707
03:59:06,560 --> 03:59:09,120
today contains no definition of a data

5708
03:59:09,120 --> 03:59:11,760
center, no use classification one, no

5709
03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:14,080
standards, water, power, noise,

5710
03:59:14,080 --> 03:59:17,199
lighting, visual impact against which to

5711
03:59:17,199 --> 03:59:20,399
evaluate an application. Meanwhile,

5712
03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,880
Utah's in the middle of a rapid wave of

5713
03:59:22,880 --> 03:59:24,560
data center developments with

5714
03:59:24,560 --> 03:59:27,120
announcements proposed or approved

5715
03:59:27,120 --> 03:59:28,880
facilities in Boxeller, Duchain,

5716
03:59:28,880 --> 03:59:31,120
Millard, and Aaron County. There's

5717
03:59:31,120 --> 03:59:33,439
several already in Utah County, Neo

5718
03:59:33,439 --> 03:59:35,279
Mountain.

5719
03:59:35,279 --> 03:59:37,600
If an application was submitted under

5720
03:59:37,600 --> 03:59:40,080
our current code, we would re be

5721
03:59:40,080 --> 03:59:42,960
reviewing it against the blank page.

5722
03:59:42,960 --> 03:59:44,479
That's a compelling counterveailing

5723
03:59:44,479 --> 03:59:48,319
public interest. The ETA code um section

5724
03:59:48,319 --> 03:59:52,000
1779504 ask you to find and why it's the

5725
03:59:52,000 --> 03:59:53,680
statute let you act on temporary

5726
03:59:53,680 --> 03:59:56,000
regulation without a prior planning

5727
03:59:56,000 --> 03:59:58,160
commission recommendation. staff brought

5728
03:59:58,160 --> 04:00:01,040
the full data center in Grand Canyon

5729
04:00:01,040 --> 04:00:04,880
staff report which is in your packet and

5730
04:00:04,880 --> 04:00:07,040
it was it was supplied to you in the

5731
04:00:07,040 --> 04:00:10,479
packet uh when it was posted

5732
04:00:10,479 --> 04:00:12,399
when the packet was posted um report to

5733
04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:14,239
the planning commission on May 26

5734
04:00:14,239 --> 04:00:15,920
commissioner received that report

5735
04:00:15,920 --> 04:00:18,800
directly staff working on drafting a

5736
04:00:18,800 --> 04:00:23,600
code um this temporary ordinance comes

5737
04:00:23,600 --> 04:00:27,680
from sort of uh what it bid. And like

5738
04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:29,439
every bid planner, you take a copy of

5739
04:00:29,439 --> 04:00:31,120
something that's already passed and you

5740
04:00:31,120 --> 04:00:34,960
modify it, right? Um that traffic is

5741
04:00:34,960 --> 04:00:39,680
already underway for for a new orbits um

5742
04:00:39,680 --> 04:00:43,920
for data centers and

5743
04:00:43,920 --> 04:00:45,920
uh crypto [clears throat] mining centers

5744
04:00:45,920 --> 04:00:47,359
and things like that. Working with

5745
04:00:47,359 --> 04:00:49,600
Sunrise Engineering, which brings you to

5746
04:00:49,600 --> 04:00:51,120
the point most relevant today, this

5747
04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:52,880
origin is a placeholder. It's not a

5748
04:00:52,880 --> 04:00:55,359
destination. The definitions in front of

5749
04:00:55,359 --> 04:00:56,960
you for data center, data center,

5750
04:00:56,960 --> 04:00:59,040
powerpoint, and digital infrastructure

5751
04:00:59,040 --> 04:01:01,439
are all working definitions written to

5752
04:01:01,439 --> 04:01:03,600
hold the line during the study period.

5753
04:01:03,600 --> 04:01:05,520
The permit ordinance that comes back to

5754
04:01:05,520 --> 04:01:08,640
you will very likely define these uses

5755
04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:10,000
differently and will carry the

5756
04:01:10,000 --> 04:01:11,760
substantive regulations that the

5757
04:01:11,760 --> 04:01:14,880
temporary measures does not. size

5758
04:01:14,880 --> 04:01:16,399
threshold, zoning classifications,

5759
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:18,800
distance criteria, um objective

5760
04:01:18,800 --> 04:01:22,560
performance standards. The state and UAC

5761
04:01:22,560 --> 04:01:25,920
and some of the other um folks in Utah

5762
04:01:25,920 --> 04:01:28,800
are currently working on

5763
04:01:28,800 --> 04:01:31,760
better definitions and um more thorough

5764
04:01:31,760 --> 04:01:33,920
standards, etc. And so we'll be

5765
04:01:33,920 --> 04:01:37,359
incorporating that over the next 100.

5766
04:01:37,359 --> 04:01:40,560
Um, I'd also ask that the commission

5767
04:01:40,560 --> 04:01:42,399
keep in mind that we're drafting against

5768
04:01:42,399 --> 04:01:44,720
the moving targets. Again, state laws,

5769
04:01:44,720 --> 04:01:47,359
governing data centers, water transfers,

5770
04:01:47,359 --> 04:01:49,760
grid reliability is changing quickly and

5771
04:01:49,760 --> 04:01:51,840
the approaches adopted by Conver

5772
04:01:51,840 --> 04:01:53,680
counties are evolving right alongside

5773
04:01:53,680 --> 04:01:56,880
it. Part of the value of these 180 days

5774
04:01:56,880 --> 04:02:00,000
is that they left they let us align May

5775
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:02,160
Countyy's permit code with where the

5776
04:02:02,160 --> 04:02:05,359
state law and pure jurisdictions

5777
04:02:05,359 --> 04:02:07,439
actually land rather than locking in the

5778
04:02:07,439 --> 04:02:09,920
language today that they be outdated by

5779
04:02:09,920 --> 04:02:11,760
the time we adopted. We would rather get

5780
04:02:11,760 --> 04:02:13,760
this permanent permanent standards them

5781
04:02:13,760 --> 04:02:16,239
right then and get them fast to close as

5782
04:02:16,239 --> 04:02:18,479
temporary regulations measured time

5783
04:02:18,479 --> 04:02:20,720
limited preserves the status quo rather

5784
04:02:20,720 --> 04:02:23,279
than expanding or foreclosing anything.

5785
04:02:23,279 --> 04:02:24,960
It is necessary for the immediate

5786
04:02:24,960 --> 04:02:26,399
preservation of the county's peace,

5787
04:02:26,399 --> 04:02:28,560
health, and safety while the permanent

5788
04:02:28,560 --> 04:02:30,239
standards are developed. Staff

5789
04:02:30,239 --> 04:02:32,303
recommends approval effective

5790
04:02:32,303 --> 04:02:33,760
[clears throat] immediately upon

5791
04:02:33,760 --> 04:02:35,920
passage, and I'm happy to answer any

5792
04:02:35,920 --> 04:02:39,670
questions.

5793
04:02:39,680 --> 04:02:40,720
» Mike,

5794
04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:42,399
>> I move to approve the ordinance pausing

5795
04:02:42,399 --> 04:02:44,319
the county's acceptance and processing

5796
04:02:44,319 --> 04:02:46,479
of all applications for data centers,

5797
04:02:46,479 --> 04:02:49,040
data data center power plants, and

5798
04:02:49,040 --> 04:02:51,520
associated digital infrastructure for

5799
04:02:51,520 --> 04:02:54,720
180 days. Second by

5800
04:02:54,720 --> 04:02:56,960
>> um I have a question

5801
04:02:56,960 --> 04:03:01,359
as we've had many people ask um what the

5802
04:03:01,359 --> 04:03:03,279
so with our phase 2 land use news code

5803
04:03:03,279 --> 04:03:04,560
update because that we're putting

5804
04:03:04,560 --> 04:03:06,479
moratorium on this essentially because

5805
04:03:06,479 --> 04:03:09,040
we are updating our land use code. So

5806
04:03:09,040 --> 04:03:11,199
what does the public input look like

5807
04:03:11,199 --> 04:03:14,319
during this next phase 2 process? So any

5808
04:03:14,319 --> 04:03:15,920
changes to the code will go through a

5809
04:03:15,920 --> 04:03:17,120
public hearing process before the

5810
04:03:17,120 --> 04:03:19,040
planning commission and to the county

5811
04:03:19,040 --> 04:03:22,560
commission uh with time to comment on

5812
04:03:22,560 --> 04:03:24,319
that. We've got that worked into the

5813
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:27,520
schedule that we have um to finish later

5814
04:03:27,520 --> 04:03:30,399
in the fall of this year which will

5815
04:03:30,399 --> 04:03:31,680
it'll probably be somewhere in October

5816
04:03:31,680 --> 04:03:34,080
and then rolling over into November for

5817
04:03:34,080 --> 04:03:35,840
some of the public hearings maybe

5818
04:03:35,840 --> 04:03:38,000
sooner. Not like a public workshop

5819
04:03:38,000 --> 04:03:39,840
though, but only just did a hearing in

5820
04:03:39,840 --> 04:03:41,040
front of the planning commission and

5821
04:03:41,040 --> 04:03:43,120
then the hearing for the commission. So

5822
04:03:43,120 --> 04:03:45,760
it's two opportunities on formal level,

5823
04:03:45,760 --> 04:03:47,840
but nothing that's like informal.

5824
04:03:47,840 --> 04:03:49,279
>> Yeah, I'm not looking so much for a

5825
04:03:49,279 --> 04:03:50,880
workshop because a lot of this is going

5826
04:03:50,880 --> 04:03:53,680
to be what state law governs,

5827
04:03:53,680 --> 04:03:57,920
>> what our peer jurisdictions do, and kind

5828
04:03:57,920 --> 04:03:59,840
of the resources that we from UAC and

5829
04:03:59,840 --> 04:04:05,189
others to do this. Um,

5830
04:04:05,199 --> 04:04:09,120
guess that's kind of what I'll do

5831
04:04:09,120 --> 04:04:09,520
wide.

5832
04:04:09,520 --> 04:04:11,279
>> Yeah. And and maybe if I could just add

5833
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:14,319
one thing to this, my son works in the

5834
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:17,439
tech industry and keeps close tabs on

5835
04:04:17,439 --> 04:04:20,800
data centers and AI and all of that. And

5836
04:04:20,800 --> 04:04:22,239
when I was having discussions with him

5837
04:04:22,239 --> 04:04:25,618
this week, he pointed out that so

5838
04:04:25,618 --> 04:04:27,520
[snorts] data centers have two issues.

5839
04:04:27,520 --> 04:04:30,399
is one is ambient temperature, the other

5840
04:04:30,399 --> 04:04:33,920
is ambient humidity. And so they've got

5841
04:04:33,920 --> 04:04:35,760
a good solution for ambient temperature

5842
04:04:35,760 --> 04:04:37,520
and they can do that with the various

5843
04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:40,080
cooling mechanisms.

5844
04:04:40,080 --> 04:04:43,520
Humidity, ambient humidity adds another

5845
04:04:43,520 --> 04:04:45,439
requirement on what they have to do with

5846
04:04:45,439 --> 04:04:47,760
the places they locate because if it's

5847
04:04:47,760 --> 04:04:50,319
too humid, you get rust on the internal

5848
04:04:50,319 --> 04:04:51,920
parts, you get corrosion, you get

5849
04:04:51,920 --> 04:04:53,439
meltdown, you get all these different

5850
04:04:53,439 --> 04:04:56,800
things. And so humidity is a big issue

5851
04:04:56,800 --> 04:04:59,520
and that's why you're seeing these data

5852
04:04:59,520 --> 04:05:01,920
centers moving from back east or

5853
04:05:01,920 --> 04:05:04,640
population etc and moving towards the

5854
04:05:04,640 --> 04:05:09,359
aid west because that takes away most of

5855
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:12,239
the humidity issue. [clears throat]

5856
04:05:12,239 --> 04:05:15,680
>> Trisha, go ahead. Um I'm glad you asked

5857
04:05:15,680 --> 04:05:17,760
that question Mel kind of to solidify. I

5858
04:05:17,760 --> 04:05:19,680
mean I might recommend a workshop. I'm

5859
04:05:19,680 --> 04:05:21,680
just going to recommend that or or maybe

5860
04:05:21,680 --> 04:05:23,439
a survey. you guys did that great survey

5861
04:05:23,439 --> 04:05:25,760
on aging. So, something like that just

5862
04:05:25,760 --> 04:05:28,080
to get a more public input. I think the

5863
04:05:28,080 --> 04:05:30,800
more public input we have, the better.

5864
04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:32,720
Maybe you, you know, disseminate some

5865
04:05:32,720 --> 04:05:34,880
information like here's here's the good,

5866
04:05:34,880 --> 04:05:37,120
bad, and ugly, right? And then get some

5867
04:05:37,120 --> 04:05:38,399
feedback. I think that would be really

5868
04:05:38,399 --> 04:05:40,399
good. That's just my opinion. Um, I want

5869
04:05:40,399 --> 04:05:42,720
to thank Erin Lindberg for bringing this

5870
04:05:42,720 --> 04:05:44,720
up quite a long time ago. Um,

5871
04:05:44,720 --> 04:05:46,800
Commissioner Lindberg. And then Brian, I

5872
04:05:46,800 --> 04:05:48,160
want to thank you for taking the bull by

5873
04:05:48,160 --> 04:05:50,239
the horns and and working with Andrew to

5874
04:05:50,239 --> 04:05:52,000
move this forward. I really appreciate

5875
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:53,120
it.

5876
04:05:53,120 --> 04:05:55,760
>> I I really appreciate it. I This scares

5877
04:05:55,760 --> 04:05:58,000
the beeers out of me. So, I appreciate

5878
04:05:58,000 --> 04:05:59,760
it. Thank you guys. And And Andrew,

5879
04:05:59,760 --> 04:06:03,359
thank you for all the work.

5880
04:06:03,359 --> 04:06:04,560
>> Mike,

5881
04:06:04,560 --> 04:06:07,439
>> um just as a heads up to uh local

5882
04:06:07,439 --> 04:06:11,680
publications, I will be placing an ad uh

5883
04:06:11,680 --> 04:06:13,520
following along with public comment. If

5884
04:06:13,520 --> 04:06:16,239
we no longer put that public comment

5885
04:06:16,239 --> 04:06:18,800
period in in both advertiser and times

5886
04:06:18,800 --> 04:06:21,520
and watchon, I will be covering it and

5887
04:06:21,520 --> 04:06:23,760
getting the word out there for public

5888
04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:27,439
comment for this.

5889
04:06:27,439 --> 04:06:31,199
Okay, any other comments or questions?

5890
04:06:31,199 --> 04:06:34,080
All right, let's call for a vote.

5891
04:06:34,080 --> 04:06:37,120
All in favor of this resolution?

5892
04:06:37,120 --> 04:06:41,279
>> I passes 70.

5893
04:06:41,279 --> 04:06:43,600
All right. Thank you. That is the end of

5894
04:06:43,600 --> 04:06:45,439
our action items for this evening. Now

5895
04:06:45,439 --> 04:06:46,640
we're going to move on to our discussion

5896
04:06:46,640 --> 04:06:48,239
items.

5897
04:06:48,239 --> 04:06:50,479
Do anybody need a break? Do we want a

5898
04:06:50,479 --> 04:06:52,319
break or do we want to just go?

5899
04:06:52,319 --> 04:06:54,800
>> Okay. Okay. So number 16 is the

5900
04:06:54,800 --> 04:06:57,600
commission chair statement and this was

5901
04:06:57,600 --> 04:07:00,640
adopted in our policies and procedures

5902
04:07:00,640 --> 04:07:02,239
of the governing body. So it's something

5903
04:07:02,239 --> 04:07:03,920
new and I really think it's going to

5904
04:07:03,920 --> 04:07:06,880
help move our

5905
04:07:06,880 --> 04:07:09,680
you know and so I I have my own. This is

5906
04:07:09,680 --> 04:07:11,279
the 10 that I came up with that I've

5907
04:07:11,279 --> 04:07:12,479
been working on them for quite a while.

5908
04:07:12,479 --> 04:07:14,640
I'm so excited to unveil them. I've

5909
04:07:14,640 --> 04:07:15,840
shared them with the commissioners and

5910
04:07:15,840 --> 04:07:20,479
taken some comments, but you know, as a as a continued priority with the

5911
04:07:20,479 --> 04:07:22,800
chair so that our staff and our

5912
04:07:22,800 --> 04:07:26,080
community has a has a vision of what's

5913
04:07:26,080 --> 04:07:28,880
going forward and I do want I would like

5914
04:07:28,880 --> 04:07:31,439
to see a a workshop at the beginning of

5915
04:07:31,439 --> 04:07:33,760
the year. I was a goal that I had, but

5916
04:07:33,760 --> 04:07:36,800
it's already July, you know. So if you

5917
04:07:36,800 --> 04:07:38,319
have but if we hopefully if we have a

5918
04:07:38,319 --> 04:07:39,760
basis and then we can move from that and

5919
04:07:39,760 --> 04:07:42,399
go forward and work on this priority

5920
04:07:42,399 --> 04:07:45,120
statement together you know ultimately

5921
04:07:45,120 --> 04:07:46,479
it's going to be the majority of the

5922
04:07:46,479 --> 04:07:49,359
commission whoever has it is going to be

5923
04:07:49,359 --> 04:07:51,600
where this goes but I would hope that

5924
04:07:51,600 --> 04:07:53,520
many things stay and and things change

5925
04:07:53,520 --> 04:07:55,520
and it's fluid and I think it even will

5926
04:07:55,520 --> 04:07:58,080
change if if we had adopted this at the

5927
04:07:58,080 --> 04:07:59,439
beginning of the year I know that things

5928
04:07:59,439 --> 04:08:00,479
would have changed and it's not really

5929
04:08:00,479 --> 04:08:01,840
an adoption. So I'm just going to read

5930
04:08:01,840 --> 04:08:04,399
the definition really quick. It says,

5931
04:08:04,399 --> 04:08:06,080
"The priority statement is a plain

5932
04:08:06,080 --> 04:08:08,560
language articulation of the majority's

5933
04:08:08,560 --> 04:08:10,239
governing philosophy and the

5934
04:08:10,239 --> 04:08:12,880
commission's current priorities updated

5935
04:08:12,880 --> 04:08:14,880
regularly throughout the year. The

5936
04:08:14,880 --> 04:08:16,399
priority statement is a working

5937
04:08:16,399 --> 04:08:18,720
governance document, not an ordinance or

5938
04:08:18,720 --> 04:08:20,479
resolution, and does not require a vote

5939
04:08:20,479 --> 04:08:22,640
of the membership to adopt or update.

5940
04:08:22,640 --> 04:08:25,359
The priority statement shall publicly be

5941
04:08:25,359 --> 04:08:27,600
accessible on the county website,

5942
04:08:27,600 --> 04:08:29,600
explicitly connected to the county's

5943
04:08:29,600 --> 04:08:32,239
adopted Longreach plan." So I consulted

5944
04:08:32,239 --> 04:08:35,120
the general plan on multiple levels to

5945
04:08:35,120 --> 04:08:36,960
create this plan. So that is something

5946
04:08:36,960 --> 04:08:39,359
that's been that's fully community input

5947
04:08:39,359 --> 04:08:42,000
was put into that and then transmitted

5948
04:08:42,000 --> 04:08:44,399
to all county boards, commissions and

5949
04:08:44,399 --> 04:08:46,720
committees throughout the year with a

5950
04:08:46,720 --> 04:08:48,319
brief summary from the chair identifying

5951
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:50,160
how each body's work relates to current

5952
04:08:50,160 --> 04:08:52,800
commission priorities and it shall serve

5953
04:08:52,800 --> 04:08:54,399
as the primary reference for the

5954
04:08:54,399 --> 04:08:55,840
administrator in aligning staff

5955
04:08:55,840 --> 04:08:57,600
resources and departmental work plans

5956
04:08:57,600 --> 04:08:59,840
with the commission's direction. So

5957
04:08:59,840 --> 04:09:03,040
that's the purpose of this document and

5958
04:09:03,040 --> 04:09:05,040
we don't need to go down it line by

5959
04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:06,880
line. It's in the packet. I think all

5960
04:09:06,880 --> 04:09:08,319
the commissioners hopefully have looked

5961
04:09:08,319 --> 04:09:10,080
over it and if there's any comments or

5962
04:09:10,080 --> 04:09:14,950
questions I will take those.

5963
04:09:14,960 --> 04:09:17,279
» I absolutely love what you've done here

5964
04:09:17,279 --> 04:09:19,920
and in this in saying this document is

5965
04:09:19,920 --> 04:09:22,160
explicitly connected to the Grant County

5966
04:09:22,160 --> 04:09:24,160
30-year general plan. Each priority is

5967
04:09:24,160 --> 04:09:26,000
intended to advance the long range

5968
04:09:26,000 --> 04:09:29,279
vision what the community adopted while

5969
04:09:29,279 --> 04:09:31,439
translating it it into actionable

5970
04:09:31,439 --> 04:09:35,680
near-term direction for staff. Uh that

5971
04:09:35,680 --> 04:09:39,120
really we all knew government moves slow

5972
04:09:39,120 --> 04:09:41,840
and a lot of times in that moving slow

5973
04:09:41,840 --> 04:09:44,080
we the corner beer's off the road. So

5974
04:09:44,080 --> 04:09:47,199
it's it's good having a road uh laid out

5975
04:09:47,199 --> 04:09:49,680
and clear in front of us.

5976
04:09:49,680 --> 04:09:50,960
>> Yeah. And it won't be the only thing.

5977
04:09:50,960 --> 04:09:52,399
It's just a road map. Yep. So there

5978
04:09:52,399 --> 04:09:54,479
still may be detours.

5979
04:09:54,479 --> 04:09:55,279
>> Go ahead, Mary.

5980
04:09:55,279 --> 04:09:57,520
>> Yes, this was a lot of work and I can

5981
04:09:57,520 --> 04:09:59,279
tell you put a lot of work into it. I

5982
04:09:59,279 --> 04:10:02,239
appreciate that. And uh there was a time

5983
04:10:02,239 --> 04:10:03,840
when I you know I don't know how it

5984
04:10:03,840 --> 04:10:06,319
happened that it stopped co did

5985
04:10:06,319 --> 04:10:08,080
interrupt a lot. I don't know if that

5986
04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:10,319
was what happened, but we used to have

5987
04:10:10,319 --> 04:10:13,279
retreats. And during the retreats, we

5988
04:10:13,279 --> 04:10:18,080
would come up with what we wanted to do,

5989
04:10:18,080 --> 04:10:21,520
you know, in that year. And then we

5990
04:10:21,520 --> 04:10:24,479
usually had a couple for like, you know,

5991
04:10:24,479 --> 04:10:25,840
things that weren't going to be

5992
04:10:25,840 --> 04:10:27,840
accomplished in that year. and and I

5993
04:10:27,840 --> 04:10:29,439
won't be here next year, but that would

5994
04:10:29,439 --> 04:10:32,800
be a nice thing to reconsider uh doing

5995
04:10:32,800 --> 04:10:35,680
again because it helped on so many

5996
04:10:35,680 --> 04:10:38,880
levels because it was time we worked

5997
04:10:38,880 --> 04:10:40,560
together to try to come up with

5998
04:10:40,560 --> 04:10:44,800
something and and

5999
04:10:44,800 --> 04:10:49,040
be nice to get back to it. Okay.

6000
04:10:49,040 --> 04:10:51,760
All right. Any other comments? We can

6001
04:10:51,760 --> 04:10:53,840
move along. If there's no other comments

6002
04:10:53,840 --> 04:10:56,080
on on this, this will be posted and I'll

6003
04:10:56,080 --> 04:10:58,239
write a little note to all of our boards

6004
04:10:58,239 --> 04:11:00,560
so that they can read it, maybe they can

6005
04:11:00,560 --> 04:11:04,319
discuss it in their next meetings. Um,

6006
04:11:04,319 --> 04:11:06,800
let's go on to number 17. This is

6007
04:11:06,800 --> 04:11:09,600
Trish's item. Proactive code enforcement

6008
04:11:09,600 --> 04:11:11,279
surrounding fire mitigation on private

6009
04:11:11,279 --> 04:11:12,080
property.

6010
04:11:12,080 --> 04:11:13,520
>> Yeah, I mean, this has just been

6011
04:11:13,520 --> 04:11:16,160
inspired by, I guess, three-fold. One,

6012
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:19,120
catastro catastrophic wildfires that are

6013
04:11:19,120 --> 04:11:21,279
engulfing our state. We now have the

6014
04:11:21,279 --> 04:11:23,520
Babylon fire that is moving very close

6015
04:11:23,520 --> 04:11:27,279
to to Monaceel which is extremely uh

6016
04:11:27,279 --> 04:11:30,800
just just petrifying. um

6017
04:11:30,800 --> 04:11:34,239
two f two um

6018
04:11:34,239 --> 04:11:37,520
I think that at a local level

6019
04:11:37,520 --> 04:11:39,840
you know we have a a pro excuse me a

6020
04:11:39,840 --> 04:11:42,080
reactive code enforcement officer and

6021
04:11:42,080 --> 04:11:44,000
that's really been mandated I I would

6022
04:11:44,000 --> 04:11:46,000
say more by the commission we we just

6023
04:11:46,000 --> 04:11:50,080
haven't directed um proactive code

6024
04:11:50,080 --> 04:11:51,520
enforcement and this is one of those

6025
04:11:51,520 --> 04:11:53,040
cases where I do think we should think

6026
04:11:53,040 --> 04:11:55,520
about it and then lastly um I've just

6027
04:11:55,520 --> 04:11:57,359
seen a lot of posts on social media and

6028
04:11:57,359 --> 04:11:58,960
I'll give you a couple examples Right

6029
04:11:58,960 --> 04:12:00,720
now down Spanish Valley Drive, there's

6030
04:12:00,720 --> 04:12:02,720
two properties that have let all their

6031
04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:06,239
trees die. And and and that's okay. I

6032
04:12:06,239 --> 04:12:07,760
mean, people can do what they want to

6033
04:12:07,760 --> 04:12:12,000
do, but inevitably it really produces

6034
04:12:12,000 --> 04:12:14,800
a an issue about defensible space for

6035
04:12:14,800 --> 04:12:17,199
not only themselves, but the surrounding

6036
04:12:17,199 --> 04:12:20,000
neighbors. I will tell you of myself, I

6037
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:22,960
am surrounded on three sides by tumble

6038
04:12:22,960 --> 04:12:26,000
weed, dry tumble weeds this high andor

6039
04:12:26,000 --> 04:12:29,040
piles of wood and it petrifies me. I

6040
04:12:29,040 --> 04:12:31,040
mean, there's nothing I can do about it.

6041
04:12:31,040 --> 04:12:33,279
Once it hits one of those, I'm I'm

6042
04:12:33,279 --> 04:12:36,640
engulfed. Um, and so I do think and I

6043
04:12:36,640 --> 04:12:37,760
just want you guys to think about it. We

6044
04:12:37,760 --> 04:12:39,520
don't need to make decisions, but I

6045
04:12:39,520 --> 04:12:41,120
think this is something that we do need

6046
04:12:41,120 --> 04:12:43,359
to be proactive about. I think that is

6047
04:12:43,359 --> 04:12:46,319
something like let's say he visits 20

6048
04:12:46,319 --> 04:12:49,920
properties a week and and says hey you

6049
04:12:49,920 --> 04:12:52,800
have your properties engulfed in weeds

6050
04:12:52,800 --> 04:12:55,439
that are dry or dead dead trees that

6051
04:12:55,439 --> 04:12:56,960
need to be removed and all you do is

6052
04:12:56,960 --> 04:12:58,560
send a letter like want to build

6053
04:12:58,560 --> 04:13:01,680
defensible space for yourself and for

6054
04:13:01,680 --> 04:13:03,840
your neighbors right and that's just my

6055
04:13:03,840 --> 04:13:05,600
thought it's more of we can't do

6056
04:13:05,600 --> 04:13:07,359
anything we can't obviously provide

6057
04:13:07,359 --> 04:13:09,600
assistance at this time I don't want to

6058
04:13:09,600 --> 04:13:12,159
site people I just want it's more of

6059
04:13:12,159 --> 04:13:15,120
awareness as to fire danger because once

6060
04:13:15,120 --> 04:13:17,279
we have something rolling, I'll tell you

6061
04:13:17,279 --> 04:13:19,040
the other day I went to the mountain and

6062
04:13:19,040 --> 04:13:20,640
somebody was shooting which is just

6063
04:13:20,640 --> 04:13:22,479
petrified. It's like really somebody's

6064
04:13:22,479 --> 04:13:24,800
shooting. It's like as soon as that hits

6065
04:13:24,800 --> 04:13:26,560
that cheek grass and it comes down the

6066
04:13:26,560 --> 04:13:28,080
valley,

6067
04:13:28,080 --> 04:13:30,880
we're hos we're [laughter] hos. Um you

6068
04:13:30,880 --> 04:13:33,279
know, so it was just a thought. I I

6069
04:13:33,279 --> 04:13:35,120
think you know and I know obviously

6070
04:13:35,120 --> 04:13:37,199
rimtorim's doing a tremendous amount. I

6071
04:13:37,199 --> 04:13:39,040
appreciate the email that you sent out

6072
04:13:39,040 --> 04:13:42,560
Brian from Izzy. Um I think that we're

6073
04:13:42,560 --> 04:13:44,560
doing there you know a lot is going on

6074
04:13:44,560 --> 04:13:46,159
but I think the county could get a

6075
04:13:46,159 --> 04:13:48,880
little bit more involved also.

6076
04:13:48,880 --> 04:13:50,000
>> Yeah.

6077
04:13:50,000 --> 04:13:53,840
Oh, sorry, Brian. Uh, I don't know if

6078
04:13:53,840 --> 04:13:56,399
they still do it, but I know sovereign

6079
04:13:56,399 --> 04:13:58,000
lands

6080
04:13:58,000 --> 04:14:02,080
used to go and talk to people, you know,

6081
04:14:02,080 --> 04:14:04,000
in a very polite manner. I wonder if

6082
04:14:04,000 --> 04:14:06,399
they still do that and and talk to them

6083
04:14:06,399 --> 04:14:10,159
about how to create a safe,

6084
04:14:10,159 --> 04:14:12,159
you know, barrier for themselves, like

6085
04:14:12,159 --> 04:14:15,520
moving your wood pile away from and and

6086
04:14:15,520 --> 04:14:18,960
Jason used to do that. I know he did

6087
04:14:18,960 --> 04:14:21,680
that because he took me as a tour of the

6088
04:14:21,680 --> 04:14:24,080
pack creek fire and showed me. He says,

6089
04:14:24,080 --> 04:14:26,479
"It's so sad that person did everything

6090
04:14:26,479 --> 04:14:29,439
possible across their home and talked

6091
04:14:29,439 --> 04:14:32,319
about how found and talk." So, might be

6092
04:14:32,319 --> 04:14:34,319
an idea to see if Sovereign Lands could

6093
04:14:34,319 --> 04:14:36,720
help us with this,

6094
04:14:36,720 --> 04:14:38,000
>> right?

6095
04:14:38,000 --> 04:14:42,159
>> No, just continue to plug the uh um the

6096
04:14:42,159 --> 04:14:44,080
fire break campaign that's being put on

6097
04:14:44,080 --> 04:14:46,640
right now. Yes. by uh Grand County Weed

6098
04:14:46,640 --> 04:14:50,239
Department. Um online there's a um

6099
04:14:50,239 --> 04:14:51,760
www.fire

6100
04:14:51,760 --> 04:14:54,960
or www.firebreakmoab.org

6101
04:14:54,960 --> 04:14:57,439
orged

6102
04:14:57,439 --> 04:15:00,080
fine fuels and there's a bunch of

6103
04:15:00,080 --> 04:15:01,840
information on there for folks to kind

6104
04:15:01,840 --> 04:15:04,319
of say, you know, what is fine fuels and

6105
04:15:04,319 --> 04:15:07,040
also some of the ways that

6106
04:15:07,040 --> 04:15:10,000
there's also a survey on there. And so,

6107
04:15:10,000 --> 04:15:11,760
um, if you can find that survey as

6108
04:15:11,760 --> 04:15:14,000
you're walking around, if you see spots,

6109
04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:15,920
whether it's on your property, if it's

6110
04:15:15,920 --> 04:15:18,159
on public property, or if it's on

6111
04:15:18,159 --> 04:15:19,520
private property, as long as you're

6112
04:15:19,520 --> 04:15:21,760
taking the photos from the, you know,

6113
04:15:21,760 --> 04:15:24,399
the the, uh, public right away, um, it's

6114
04:15:24,399 --> 04:15:25,920
a spot just to let us kind of have an

6115
04:15:25,920 --> 04:15:27,920
idea of where those fine fuels are in

6116
04:15:27,920 --> 04:15:29,439
the county. So, they're really trying to

6117
04:15:29,439 --> 04:15:31,199
look to see how many responses we can

6118
04:15:31,199 --> 04:15:37,590
get back on that survey.

6119
04:15:37,600 --> 04:15:40,319
I would ask Andrew, does our code

6120
04:15:40,319 --> 04:15:42,159
enforcement have the capacity to do

6121
04:15:42,159 --> 04:15:45,429
this?

6122
04:15:45,439 --> 04:15:47,359
» Well, and I don't expect him to, you

6123
04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:50,319
know, I was thinking you spend an hour

6124
04:15:50,319 --> 04:15:52,640
or two a week, you know, just slowly

6125
04:15:52,640 --> 04:15:54,560
moving through the county, right? I

6126
04:15:54,560 --> 04:15:56,159
don't expect it to be done tomorrow. I

6127
04:15:56,159 --> 04:15:57,840
don't expect it to be done. And you

6128
04:15:57,840 --> 04:15:59,199
know, it just might be one of those

6129
04:15:59,199 --> 04:16:00,960
things that it's just a slow movement

6130
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:02,720
through the county looking at properties

6131
04:16:02,720 --> 04:16:04,239
and just sending out a polite letter

6132
04:16:04,239 --> 04:16:06,000
like, "Hey, need to build some

6133
04:16:06,000 --> 04:16:08,159
defensible space linking them to fire

6134
04:16:08,159 --> 04:16:11,120
break." Um, anyways,

6135
04:16:11,120 --> 04:16:14,319
>> yeah. So, our code enforcement officer

6136
04:16:14,319 --> 04:16:19,439
is of capacity right now. Um it may be

6137
04:16:19,439 --> 04:16:23,910
something that uh

6138
04:16:23,920 --> 04:16:25,439
fire

6139
04:16:25,439 --> 04:16:28,159
marshall would be better suited to do

6140
04:16:28,159 --> 04:16:32,399
this but right now we're pretty much

6141
04:16:32,399 --> 04:16:34,479
capacity what we're trying to do right

6142
04:16:34,479 --> 04:16:37,359
now.

6143
04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:39,199
>> Look at lands. I think they'll have a

6144
04:16:39,199 --> 04:16:40,640
comment.

6145
04:16:40,640 --> 04:16:42,239
>> I was going to recommend the same thing

6146
04:16:42,239 --> 04:16:44,640
as far as maybe the fire department if

6147
04:16:44,640 --> 04:16:46,319
they had any interest in helping out

6148
04:16:46,319 --> 04:16:50,800
with this. And I also would ask Stephen

6149
04:16:50,800 --> 04:16:53,439
if we have the authority to get into

6150
04:16:53,439 --> 04:16:56,080
people's yards. I I mean I think that

6151
04:16:56,080 --> 04:16:57,760
there's probably a little bit of a legal

6152
04:16:57,760 --> 04:17:00,800
issue for our code enforcement to be

6153
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:02,640
going around and telling somebody that

6154
04:17:02,640 --> 04:17:05,040
your trees are dead or they're not dead.

6155
04:17:05,040 --> 04:17:09,199
I might be wrong, but that's I mean if it's visible from the street but code

6156
04:17:09,199 --> 04:17:11,199
enforcement does that. If there's uh

6157
04:17:11,199 --> 04:17:13,199
allegations of them not complying, you

6158
04:17:13,199 --> 04:17:14,960
there there are certain circumstances

6159
04:17:14,960 --> 04:17:17,760
they can they can go on property. Um

6160
04:17:17,760 --> 04:17:19,840
we've we've done that in certain certain

6161
04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:22,239
situations when they were not trying to

6162
04:17:22,239 --> 04:17:25,359
name specific examples but yes code code

6163
04:17:25,359 --> 04:17:27,120
enforcement can go on in certain certain

6164
04:17:27,120 --> 04:17:30,080
circumstances. Um education is helpful.

6165
04:17:30,080 --> 04:17:32,080
the the difficulty that we run into as

6166
04:17:32,080 --> 04:17:34,800
the commission. I think generally it is

6167
04:17:34,800 --> 04:17:37,199
not a popular thing to prosecute uh and

6168
04:17:37,199 --> 04:17:39,279
to go uh get after people for code

6169
04:17:39,279 --> 04:17:41,840
enforcement. That is the other half of

6170
04:17:41,840 --> 04:17:44,080
my job. Uh if there is a law on the

6171
04:17:44,080 --> 04:17:45,920
books in the county, there's no sense in

6172
04:17:45,920 --> 04:17:47,600
having a law on the books in the county

6173
04:17:47,600 --> 04:17:50,239
if the county doesn't want to. So I I'

6174
04:17:50,239 --> 04:17:52,080
I've always taken the same same stance

6175
04:17:52,080 --> 04:17:54,960
on, you know, dark skies camping, etc.

6176
04:17:54,960 --> 04:17:56,560
Uh and that continues to be something

6177
04:17:56,560 --> 04:17:58,319
that is hard to wrestle with with the

6178
04:17:58,319 --> 04:18:01,199
commission. It's exceptionally unpopular

6179
04:18:01,199 --> 04:18:04,239
uh the prosecutor. So

6180
04:18:04,239 --> 04:18:05,840
>> I ask Andrew another question. So when

6181
04:18:05,840 --> 04:18:07,840
you're saying is over capacity like he's

6182
04:18:07,840 --> 04:18:11,840
getting that many complaints. I mean his job is complaint driven. So

6183
04:18:11,840 --> 04:18:13,680
>> well it's not completely complaint

6184
04:18:13,680 --> 04:18:16,800
driven. He does uh zoning inspections.

6185
04:18:16,800 --> 04:18:19,040
If somebody has a a site plan where

6186
04:18:19,040 --> 04:18:23,040
they've gotten a a commercial property

6187
04:18:23,040 --> 04:18:25,920
that's being built, he does a zoning uh

6188
04:18:25,920 --> 04:18:27,199
compliance on that. Make sure they've

6189
04:18:27,199 --> 04:18:30,080
got enough parking spaces, etc. Um he

6190
04:18:30,080 --> 04:18:33,680
also does like goes out and at nights it

6191
04:18:33,680 --> 04:18:36,560
does the dark sky compliance which isn't

6192
04:18:36,560 --> 04:18:38,880
complaint based. It's just part of if

6193
04:18:38,880 --> 04:18:41,199
you build a house or you build uh some

6194
04:18:41,199 --> 04:18:42,880
other structure then you have to comply

6195
04:18:42,880 --> 04:18:45,359
with that. So, he's out there doing a

6196
04:18:45,359 --> 04:18:49,199
lot of things and um there's a lot of

6197
04:18:49,199 --> 04:18:52,239
stuff that he does based off complaints.

6198
04:18:52,239 --> 04:18:53,840
There's stuff that he does as he drives

6199
04:18:53,840 --> 04:18:56,960
past and sees somebody

6200
04:18:56,960 --> 04:19:00,720
moving a building onto a lot that hasn't

6201
04:19:00,720 --> 04:19:02,640
gotten a building permit. So, there's

6202
04:19:02,640 --> 04:19:04,239
some of those kind of things that that

6203
04:19:04,239 --> 04:19:09,040
he does. Um, but I'm not so sure that

6204
04:19:09,040 --> 04:19:13,520
his specialty would be in um looking at

6205
04:19:13,520 --> 04:19:15,760
potential. I mean, obviously, if it's if

6206
04:19:15,760 --> 04:19:18,960
it's um in violation of the weed

6207
04:19:18,960 --> 04:19:21,760
ordinance, then somebody can complain

6208
04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:23,920
and we'll have him go out there and look

6209
04:19:23,920 --> 04:19:27,359
at it. uh but not necessarily I think

6210
04:19:27,359 --> 04:19:30,159
driving around looking in people's

6211
04:19:30,159 --> 04:19:33,760
um yards looking for things he's got a

6212
04:19:33,760 --> 04:19:37,040
lot of stuff to do without going to find

6213
04:19:37,040 --> 04:19:39,439
additional things but yeah I mean the

6214
04:19:39,439 --> 04:19:43,670
county has a we ordinance

6215
04:19:43,680 --> 04:19:45,359
» we have a lot of ordinances that we

6216
04:19:45,359 --> 04:19:48,159
don't you know are we have a reactive

6217
04:19:48,159 --> 04:19:49,680
code enforcement the city has a

6218
04:19:49,680 --> 04:19:51,439
proactive code enforcement and it's just

6219
04:19:51,439 --> 04:19:52,640
something to think about in the future

6220
04:19:52,640 --> 04:19:56,399
like do we want to continue that um that

6221
04:19:56,399 --> 04:19:58,080
model or do we want to

6222
04:19:58,080 --> 04:20:00,479
>> I'm not sure label it completely as

6223
04:20:00,479 --> 04:20:02,159
reactive.

6224
04:20:02,159 --> 04:20:06,319
Um I mean we he does go out when he's

6225
04:20:06,319 --> 04:20:08,800
driving around he's pretty much in the

6226
04:20:08,800 --> 04:20:11,279
loop as to what's going on and he sees

6227
04:20:11,279 --> 04:20:13,279
somebody doing a violation like we have

6228
04:20:13,279 --> 04:20:16,319
a person who was moving a a structure

6229
04:20:16,319 --> 04:20:20,239
onto their property and it was actually

6230
04:20:20,239 --> 04:20:22,960
probably in the rightway of the road. Um

6231
04:20:22,960 --> 04:20:24,640
so we will say hey look you didn't get

6232
04:20:24,640 --> 04:20:26,000
building permit for this any of those

6233
04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:28,159
kind of things and nobody takes those

6234
04:20:28,159 --> 04:20:31,680
but there is the compliance with

6235
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:33,199
elements that occur and there's

6236
04:20:33,199 --> 04:20:37,760
compliance with um we've got a a grantee

6237
04:20:37,760 --> 04:20:40,960
out in Thompson Springs and he's gone

6238
04:20:40,960 --> 04:20:44,000
out there to um identify that. Yeah,

6239
04:20:44,000 --> 04:20:47,199
potentially potentially I mean it may be

6240
04:20:47,199 --> 04:20:49,040
something like a priority scale that it

6241
04:20:49,040 --> 04:20:50,399
might be more important to kind of look

6242
04:20:50,399 --> 04:20:52,479
at this as opposed to dark you know dark

6243
04:20:52,479 --> 04:20:55,359
skies issues. I'm not seeing um you know

6244
04:20:55,359 --> 04:20:56,800
the complaints are not getting risen to

6245
04:20:56,800 --> 04:20:58,880
my level for me to be able to see very

6246
04:20:58,880 --> 04:21:00,960
many code enforcement issues. I think I

6247
04:21:00,960 --> 04:21:03,279
get one every once in a blue moon, but

6248
04:21:03,279 --> 04:21:04,479
that might be something that the county

6249
04:21:04,479 --> 04:21:06,640
would consider and I'm looking to the

6250
04:21:06,640 --> 04:21:08,159
commission administrator and and of

6251
04:21:08,159 --> 04:21:10,000
course the director to look into some of

6252
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:11,840
those issues that have a more

6253
04:21:11,840 --> 04:21:13,760
substantial impact to the community. I

6254
04:21:13,760 --> 04:21:15,680
know dark skies is important, but when

6255
04:21:15,680 --> 04:21:18,000
we have an issue regarding fires and and

6256
04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:19,439
potential concerns, just noting that

6257
04:21:19,439 --> 04:21:22,800
something for the county to consider.

6258
04:21:22,800 --> 04:21:25,680
Uh just me reiterating in this entire

6259
04:21:25,680 --> 04:21:27,760
conversation is again dark skies again

6260
04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:29,840
with many of our other uh enforcement

6261
04:21:29,840 --> 04:21:33,600
issues uh

6262
04:21:33,600 --> 04:21:36,159
voluntary and uh voluntary compliance

6263
04:21:36,159 --> 04:21:40,880
goes miles farther and uh than active

6264
04:21:40,880 --> 04:21:42,239
enforcement. And that was my point,

6265
04:21:42,239 --> 04:21:44,080
Mike, is just to send a letter to say,

6266
04:21:44,080 --> 04:21:47,279
hey, you know, I didn't at all want and

6267
04:21:47,279 --> 04:21:48,880
hopefully I didn't make that

6268
04:21:48,880 --> 04:21:51,279
>> that I don't I tried to make that clear

6269
04:21:51,279 --> 04:21:53,920
that I wanted it to be more of a letter

6270
04:21:53,920 --> 04:21:56,640
that said, hey, you may, you know, this

6271
04:21:56,640 --> 04:21:59,120
is for your own protection, for the

6272
04:21:59,120 --> 04:22:01,279
protection of your I didn't want it to

6273
04:22:01,279 --> 04:22:01,520
be

6274
04:22:01,520 --> 04:22:03,520
>> I just know the buyin from voluntary

6275
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:05,680
compliance is

6276
04:22:05,680 --> 04:22:07,439
well received far by

6277
04:22:07,439 --> 04:22:09,920
>> Absolutely.

6278
04:22:09,920 --> 04:22:11,600
So, I know that they send we send out

6279
04:22:11,600 --> 04:22:14,239
like weeds um Noxious Weeds sends out

6280
04:22:14,239 --> 04:22:17,520
like a along with em with Kate with EMS

6281
04:22:17,520 --> 04:22:19,199
if we could put some kind of like clean

6282
04:22:19,199 --> 04:22:22,000
up your yard [laughter]

6283
04:22:22,000 --> 04:22:23,680
reminder or something. I don't know that

6284
04:22:23,680 --> 04:22:26,640
just that we have that flyer that gets

6285
04:22:26,640 --> 04:22:28,399
sent out pretty much on an annual basis,

6286
04:22:28,399 --> 04:22:30,159
I think, reminding them to sign up for

6287
04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:32,080
the emergency

6288
04:22:32,080 --> 04:22:35,680
um information, the weeds.

6289
04:22:35,680 --> 04:22:38,720
Yeah, that's just a hey, you know, clean

6290
04:22:38,720 --> 04:22:40,800
up around your your yard. Check out

6291
04:22:40,800 --> 04:22:42,880
fire. Maybe we add I don't know if fire

6292
04:22:42,880 --> 04:22:45,040
breaks already. I know they send out

6293
04:22:45,040 --> 04:22:46,319
their own information.

6294
04:22:46,319 --> 04:22:49,680
>> This may this may be a great spot.

6295
04:22:49,680 --> 04:22:51,520
>> I wasn't looking.

6296
04:22:51,520 --> 04:22:53,359
So, just just a heads up. So, on

6297
04:22:53,359 --> 04:22:55,920
Thursday, I'll be at the uh um the the

6298
04:22:55,920 --> 04:22:58,880
WOI conversations over what has happened

6299
04:22:58,880 --> 04:23:01,120
in the current legislation previously.

6300
04:23:01,120 --> 04:23:03,279
And I know that a big part of that will

6301
04:23:03,279 --> 04:23:05,120
be education. So, they're going to be

6302
04:23:05,120 --> 04:23:06,479
coming, they're supposed to be coming

6303
04:23:06,479 --> 04:23:08,720
out with some education tools that

6304
04:23:08,720 --> 04:23:10,640
actually talk about firereaks that talk

6305
04:23:10,640 --> 04:23:12,640
about this, especially towards folks

6306
04:23:12,640 --> 04:23:16,000
that are inside of the uh uh wilderness

6307
04:23:16,000 --> 04:23:18,000
urban interface. Um, but there's no

6308
04:23:18,000 --> 04:23:19,279
reason that we can't take what the

6309
04:23:19,279 --> 04:23:21,680
state's already written um from the the

6310
04:23:21,680 --> 04:23:25,199
DWR DNR and then get that out to other

6311
04:23:25,199 --> 04:23:27,520
folks as well as we see it. So, that

6312
04:23:27,520 --> 04:23:29,439
might be an opportunity just to use that

6313
04:23:29,439 --> 04:23:32,000
as our team kind of push out some

6314
04:23:32,000 --> 04:23:33,840
literature. Yeah, you know, here's

6315
04:23:33,840 --> 04:23:35,920
what's happening with wilderness uh uh

6316
04:23:35,920 --> 04:23:38,080
urban interface, you know, as well. And

6317
04:23:38,080 --> 04:23:39,520
then maybe on the back side, here are

6318
04:23:39,520 --> 04:23:41,439
some of the mitigations even if you're

6319
04:23:41,439 --> 04:23:43,520
not, you know, in this wilderness urban

6320
04:23:43,520 --> 04:23:44,960
interface that you can go ahead and

6321
04:23:44,960 --> 04:23:46,080
take. So,

6322
04:23:46,080 --> 04:23:47,840
>> yes, I'll be on that call as well.

6323
04:23:47,840 --> 04:23:48,479
>> Okay, will you?

6324
04:23:48,479 --> 04:23:50,080
>> Yeah,

6325
04:23:50,080 --> 04:23:57,040
>> go ahead, Mike. This might be a great uh call out plug for uh Solid Waste

6326
04:23:57,040 --> 04:24:00,960
continuing to host uh uh free cleanups

6327
04:24:00,960 --> 04:24:04,560
and free dumps. Uh it might be good to

6328
04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:06,560
tie in with Solid Waste Special Service

6329
04:24:06,560 --> 04:24:12,880
District and let them know when we have free cleanups, free dumps.

6330
04:24:12,880 --> 04:24:15,768
>> Yeah.

6331
04:24:15,768 --> 04:24:15,920
>> [laughter]

6332
04:24:15,920 --> 04:24:18,560
>> We we do the vouchers twice a year and

6333
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:21,279
that's that that pushes our

6334
04:24:21,279 --> 04:24:22,800
>> our capacities.

6335
04:24:22,800 --> 04:24:26,000
>> Well, it may be a partnership fire solid

6336
04:24:26,000 --> 04:24:28,800
waste.

6337
04:24:28,800 --> 04:24:30,560
>> So,

6338
04:24:30,560 --> 04:24:32,239
thank you.

6339
04:24:32,239 --> 04:24:35,680
>> The um smoke I was up in Or for the

6340
04:24:35,680 --> 04:24:37,199
fourth and the smoke that we had up

6341
04:24:37,199 --> 04:24:39,520
there was probably the biggest deterrent

6342
04:24:39,520 --> 04:24:42,960
to people using fireworks.

6343
04:24:42,960 --> 04:24:44,560
any type of rule or regulation

6344
04:24:44,560 --> 04:24:47,199
associated with it. It's just

6345
04:24:47,199 --> 04:24:49,840
again it's it's knowing what it is and

6346
04:24:49,840 --> 04:24:51,760
realizing what's going on and the smoke

6347
04:24:51,760 --> 04:24:54,080
that we have. Um there may be more

6348
04:24:54,080 --> 04:24:57,120
people that are um

6349
04:24:57,120 --> 04:25:00,399
wanting to afford opportunities to

6350
04:25:00,399 --> 04:25:02,720
reduce that uh load.

6351
04:25:02,720 --> 04:25:05,040
>> Yeah.

6352
04:25:05,040 --> 04:25:06,640
>> All right. Well, we'll see what our see

6353
04:25:06,640 --> 04:25:09,439
what the state has to provide us. Yeah.

6354
04:25:09,439 --> 04:25:13,359
uh education and and yeah back

6355
04:25:13,359 --> 04:25:15,279
>> want to put it on our website and be

6356
04:25:15,279 --> 04:25:17,840
great or social media that'd be great.

6357
04:25:17,840 --> 04:25:18,960
>> All right.

6358
04:25:18,960 --> 04:25:21,439
>> So now we are to the end of that. So

6359
04:25:21,439 --> 04:25:23,040
we'll go ahead and add on discussion

6360
04:25:23,040 --> 04:25:25,279
about your we can add the discussion on

6361
04:25:25,279 --> 04:25:26,159
right now. So

6362
04:25:26,159 --> 04:25:29,120
>> is that okay? Yep. And so I I have been

6363
04:25:29,120 --> 04:25:33,199
asking so um within our employee

6364
04:25:33,199 --> 04:25:36,720
handbook um our our county admin is

6365
04:25:36,720 --> 04:25:39,520
supposed to be evaluated once a year. I

6366
04:25:39,520 --> 04:25:41,680
believe that that should have been done

6367
04:25:41,680 --> 04:25:44,800
in December and I've been asking for

6368
04:25:44,800 --> 04:25:47,359
that since that time. Um and I

6369
04:25:47,359 --> 04:25:49,199
understand people are busy and I respect

6370
04:25:49,199 --> 04:25:50,560
that.

6371
04:25:50,560 --> 04:25:52,479
I will state that as a commissioner I

6372
04:25:52,479 --> 04:25:53,840
have never been the chair or the vice

6373
04:25:53,840 --> 04:25:56,560
chair but I have evaluated both Chris

6374
04:25:56,560 --> 04:25:59,359
Baird and Mallerie Nassau because I was

6375
04:25:59,359 --> 04:26:00,960
you know it was just kind of pawned off

6376
04:26:00,960 --> 04:26:02,640
not pawned off but it was like who wants

6377
04:26:02,640 --> 04:26:06,960
to do it is my memory in meetings and then we would do it. I want to speak

6378
04:26:06,960 --> 04:26:10,000
to why I think it's really important.

6379
04:26:10,000 --> 04:26:12,880
Um, just anecdotally, I have not at the

6380
04:26:12,880 --> 04:26:14,319
I've been with the school district for

6381
04:26:14,319 --> 04:26:17,279
20 years and I think the last evaluation

6382
04:26:17,279 --> 04:26:19,040
I got, and I'm not making this up, was

6383
04:26:19,040 --> 04:26:21,520
like 10 years ago. Steve Ren was the

6384
04:26:21,520 --> 04:26:24,399
last person to evaluate me. And I think

6385
04:26:24,399 --> 04:26:26,560
that that's really bad on so many

6386
04:26:26,560 --> 04:26:28,239
levels. one, if there was ever a

6387
04:26:28,239 --> 04:26:31,439
complaint that came in about me, um I

6388
04:26:31,439 --> 04:26:34,399
really have no nothing in order to

6389
04:26:34,399 --> 04:26:36,880
defend myself, right? Because at one

6390
04:26:36,880 --> 04:26:38,640
time I did get when I was teaching with

6391
04:26:38,640 --> 04:26:40,880
Mary, I got complaints and I had had at

6392
04:26:40,880 --> 04:26:42,720
that time very good evaluations, but I

6393
04:26:42,720 --> 04:26:45,279
was having a parents complaint and so I

6394
04:26:45,279 --> 04:26:48,560
had this kind of you know record as to

6395
04:26:48,560 --> 04:26:51,199
well here's her eval here's this even

6396
04:26:51,199 --> 04:26:52,880
though she's getting these complaints,

6397
04:26:52,880 --> 04:26:56,080
right? Um and and so what we've what

6398
04:26:56,080 --> 04:26:58,000
I've done in my program is we just

6399
04:26:58,000 --> 04:26:59,760
evaluate each other. There's three of us

6400
04:26:59,760 --> 04:27:01,199
in my little program and I just

6401
04:27:01,199 --> 04:27:02,960
completed it. I try to do right at the

6402
04:27:02,960 --> 04:27:06,159
end of every academic year at least so

6403
04:27:06,159 --> 04:27:08,880
we have some record. Um and I just think

6404
04:27:08,880 --> 04:27:10,560
it's very important and I think at a

6405
04:27:10,560 --> 04:27:13,359
county level it's very important so that

6406
04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:16,800
department heads have the time and

6407
04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:20,880
energy to provide that feedback. So, I

6408
04:27:20,880 --> 04:27:23,760
just am asking that that be done. Um,

6409
04:27:23,760 --> 04:27:25,760
that's all I can continue to do is ask

6410
04:27:25,760 --> 04:27:27,279
that it be done. I know you guys are

6411
04:27:27,279 --> 04:27:29,680
busy. Um, and I think it's really

6412
04:27:29,680 --> 04:27:31,760
important for department heads to be

6413
04:27:31,760 --> 04:27:34,479
able and other electeds to be able to

6414
04:27:34,479 --> 04:27:38,159
give feedback as to county admin.

6415
04:27:38,159 --> 04:27:40,560
>> Um, I think they'll have Senate first.

6416
04:27:40,560 --> 04:27:42,960
>> Actually, Mike was first second.

6417
04:27:42,960 --> 04:27:44,399
>> Go ahead.

6418
04:27:44,399 --> 04:27:47,120
Um, I I agree that I think that it's

6419
04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:49,680
important that it should be done under

6420
04:27:49,680 --> 04:27:51,520
most circumstances.

6421
04:27:51,520 --> 04:27:53,600
I would disagree that it should be done

6422
04:27:53,600 --> 04:27:55,760
now. And I've explained to Commissioner

6423
04:27:55,760 --> 04:27:58,960
Hadine that she has a conflict and and I

6424
04:27:58,960 --> 04:28:00,640
think that we need to delve into this a

6425
04:28:00,640 --> 04:28:04,159
little bit further, but any evaluation

6426
04:28:04,159 --> 04:28:06,880
will pressure the administrator to act

6427
04:28:06,880 --> 04:28:09,359
in a manner that either supports a

6428
04:28:09,359 --> 04:28:12,080
settlement or puts him in opposition to

6429
04:28:12,080 --> 04:28:15,120
a settlement. So continuing to force

6430
04:28:15,120 --> 04:28:17,760
this from your position on the

6431
04:28:17,760 --> 04:28:20,880
administrator is pressure for him to

6432
04:28:20,880 --> 04:28:22,880
move something forward in a current

6433
04:28:22,880 --> 04:28:24,640
litigation that's going on with the

6434
04:28:24,640 --> 04:28:27,120
county. And I don't understand how you

6435
04:28:27,120 --> 04:28:28,560
don't understand that you have a

6436
04:28:28,560 --> 04:28:30,880
conflict. You cannot do this even though

6437
04:28:30,880 --> 04:28:33,520
you've offered to do it. I can't do it.

6438
04:28:33,520 --> 04:28:35,760
I could pressure the administrator for

6439
04:28:35,760 --> 04:28:39,520
my side. You can't do it. Commissioner

6440
04:28:39,520 --> 04:28:42,080
Martinez can't do it. Commissioner Mcan

6441
04:28:42,080 --> 04:28:44,560
can't do it. So, there's a reason that

6442
04:28:44,560 --> 04:28:46,960
we leave it alone until we get through

6443
04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:49,279
the current litigation that we're in the

6444
04:28:49,279 --> 04:28:52,560
middle of. And it isn't.

6445
04:28:52,560 --> 04:28:54,560
It's it it just is. We're in this

6446
04:28:54,560 --> 04:28:56,880
litigation and when we get past all of

6447
04:28:56,880 --> 04:28:59,279
this, then it would be a good time to

6448
04:28:59,279 --> 04:29:01,120
bring this back up. But it can't be done

6449
04:29:01,120 --> 04:29:04,399
right now. Legally, it cannot be done.

6450
04:29:04,399 --> 04:29:05,680
>> I disagree with you, but

6451
04:29:05,680 --> 04:29:07,359
>> Well, I understand that you do,

6452
04:29:07,359 --> 04:29:09,439
>> Mike.

6453
04:29:09,439 --> 04:29:11,920
>> Phrase the point. How can anyone in this

6454
04:29:11,920 --> 04:29:13,600
room be part of that conversation

6455
04:29:13,600 --> 04:29:16,159
outside of me, Jacques, and Mel? I mean,

6456
04:29:16,159 --> 04:29:20,080
even to even to you, even to you,

6457
04:29:20,080 --> 04:29:21,760
everyone with a conflict, why are we

6458
04:29:21,760 --> 04:29:24,319
talking about this except for me, Mel,

6459
04:29:24,319 --> 04:29:26,159
and Jean?

6460
04:29:26,159 --> 04:29:28,239
>> You can't even advise me right now

6461
04:29:28,239 --> 04:29:29,920
because

6462
04:29:29,920 --> 04:29:32,080
>> So, we don't So, a couple

6463
04:29:32,080 --> 04:29:34,560
clarifications. One, I believe that the

6464
04:29:34,560 --> 04:29:36,800
body would be best suited to discuss

6465
04:29:36,800 --> 04:29:39,439
this in close. I'll state that now.

6466
04:29:39,439 --> 04:29:41,040
probably the best best place to have

6467
04:29:41,040 --> 04:29:43,359
this conversation. Second, the county

6468
04:29:43,359 --> 04:29:45,920
has not uh the county has not been sued.

6469
04:29:45,920 --> 04:29:47,840
There's a notice that's been filed. No

6470
04:29:47,840 --> 04:29:49,359
litigation, no lawsuit has been

6471
04:29:49,359 --> 04:29:50,640
initiated against the county. So, that's

6472
04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:52,960
a cl that's that's a point I often find

6473
04:29:52,960 --> 04:29:55,680
myself using the word sometimes. Uh but

6474
04:29:55,680 --> 04:29:58,720
that's that's another sticking point.

6475
04:29:58,720 --> 04:30:00,399
This this conversation, I think if the

6476
04:30:00,399 --> 04:30:02,239
conversation is to be had, I think

6477
04:30:02,239 --> 04:30:04,080
everyone should just be cautious about

6478
04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:06,080
how how we're looking at it phrasing. I

6479
04:30:06,080 --> 04:30:08,080
think the complaint is uh Commissioner

6480
04:30:08,080 --> 04:30:09,600
Hines making the comment, "Okay, I'd

6481
04:30:09,600 --> 04:30:11,520
like to see an evaluation." Period. I

6482
04:30:11,520 --> 04:30:12,800
think that's where we should probably

6483
04:30:12,800 --> 04:30:15,279
stick to the conversation. Um again, my

6484
04:30:15,279 --> 04:30:16,800
advice is go to close session, discuss

6485
04:30:16,800 --> 04:30:18,880
the matter if we'd like to uh discuss it

6486
04:30:18,880 --> 04:30:21,120
in more further detail.

6487
04:30:21,120 --> 04:30:24,469
>> I would just

6488
04:30:24,479 --> 04:30:26,800
we're gonna let you Mary talk and Brian

6489
04:30:26,800 --> 04:30:29,439
talk

6490
04:30:29,439 --> 04:30:30,720
my hand up also.

6491
04:30:30,720 --> 04:30:32,960
>> Sorry. And then you I've been involved

6492
04:30:32,960 --> 04:30:33,279
in

6493
04:30:33,279 --> 04:30:34,080
>> that's

6494
04:30:34,080 --> 04:30:36,800
>> evaluations now for this would have been

6495
04:30:36,800 --> 04:30:39,439
my 12th year if I was involved with them

6496
04:30:39,439 --> 04:30:42,640
and I know u every one of the

6497
04:30:42,640 --> 04:30:44,800
administrators that were really

6498
04:30:44,800 --> 04:30:47,520
appreciated it especially when we went

6499
04:30:47,520 --> 04:30:49,600
into post session oftentimes talked

6500
04:30:49,600 --> 04:30:51,199
about what we were happy with and what

6501
04:30:51,199 --> 04:30:53,680
we weren't happy or what could be

6502
04:30:53,680 --> 04:30:56,960
improved and and how and and it was

6503
04:30:56,960 --> 04:31:01,120
positive and it was I know Mark required

6504
04:31:01,120 --> 04:31:02,640
Are you still splitting your

6505
04:31:02,640 --> 04:31:04,560
evaluations? Do you do half of them or

6506
04:31:04,560 --> 04:31:07,199
put do half of the evaluations of the

6507
04:31:07,199 --> 04:31:10,000
department heads? That's how it was up

6508
04:31:10,000 --> 04:31:11,520
there

6509
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:13,520
for a while. But anyway, because they

6510
04:31:13,520 --> 04:31:15,760
have to do their evaluations, too. So

6511
04:31:15,760 --> 04:31:18,640
people I just think it's good practice.

6512
04:31:18,640 --> 04:31:20,159
That's all I want to say. And I don't

6513
04:31:20,159 --> 04:31:22,640
know if we need to how far we have to

6514
04:31:22,640 --> 04:31:25,279
discuss this. It's just good practice.

6515
04:31:25,279 --> 04:31:27,600
>> I'm aware. I'm I'm aware. I've discussed

6516
04:31:27,600 --> 04:31:30,720
this. I I um

6517
04:31:30,720 --> 04:31:33,520
I think that one I inherited this. It

6518
04:31:33,520 --> 04:31:35,520
wasn't done when I became the chair. Now

6519
04:31:35,520 --> 04:31:37,439
it's July and I feel like doing one at

6520
04:31:37,439 --> 04:31:38,880
this point in time when we're going to

6521
04:31:38,880 --> 04:31:40,560
have to we're going to do one hopefully

6522
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:45,279
toward the end of the year for the our employees get two-year um

6523
04:31:45,279 --> 04:31:47,120
performance evaluations and that gives

6524
04:31:47,120 --> 04:31:49,120
them an opportunity to have a pay

6525
04:31:49,120 --> 04:31:51,120
increase. And at this point to do it in

6526
04:31:51,120 --> 04:31:52,880
July and then to turn around and do it

6527
04:31:52,880 --> 04:31:56,399
again in November, it just seems to me

6528
04:31:56,399 --> 04:31:58,560
unnecessary. I think that if there's

6529
04:31:58,560 --> 04:32:00,640
something that you want to tell Mark

6530
04:32:00,640 --> 04:32:02,479
that he's doing good or bad, then feel

6531
04:32:02,479 --> 04:32:04,399
free to tell him. I mean, I talk to him

6532
04:32:04,399 --> 04:32:06,399
all the time. I give Mark feedback

6533
04:32:06,399 --> 04:32:08,159
constantly. If I heard feedback from

6534
04:32:08,159 --> 04:32:10,000
someone else, I would give it to him.

6535
04:32:10,000 --> 04:32:12,080
So, I think that it's not that you need

6536
04:32:12,080 --> 04:32:13,840
to have an annual evaluation. I

6537
04:32:13,840 --> 04:32:16,000
understand the duty. I understand it's

6538
04:32:16,000 --> 04:32:17,920
there. I have been waiting for

6539
04:32:17,920 --> 04:32:21,359
information. um hasn't happened. But we

6540
04:32:21,359 --> 04:32:25,680
will at this point I will move forward

6541
04:32:25,680 --> 04:32:28,479
and we will do it in November and we'll

6542
04:32:28,479 --> 04:32:29,840
get it done and if I need to have

6543
04:32:29,840 --> 04:32:31,359
Jacques and Mike and I be the ones that

6544
04:32:31,359 --> 04:32:33,040
do it then that's what will happen and

6545
04:32:33,040 --> 04:32:34,720
until then I mean you can email me every

6546
04:32:34,720 --> 04:32:36,159
month. Trish has emailed me every month

6547
04:32:36,159 --> 04:32:38,080
to remind me to do it and you can

6548
04:32:38,080 --> 04:32:39,680
continue but I'm that's that's pretty

6549
04:32:39,680 --> 04:32:41,279
much where I'm at right now. It's July

6550
04:32:41,279 --> 04:32:44,080
and doesn't seem prudent to do it right

6551
04:32:44,080 --> 04:32:46,239
now when we're already

6552
04:32:46,239 --> 04:32:48,159
have a commit but I'm happy with that.

6553
04:32:48,159 --> 04:32:48,720
Yeah.

6554
04:32:48,720 --> 04:32:51,120
>> And I, you know, I just as a teacher, I

6555
04:32:51,120 --> 04:32:56,159
always talk about Jack has a hand up and Brian have something else you want

6556
04:32:56,159 --> 04:32:56,560
to say.

6557
04:32:56,560 --> 04:32:58,319
>> Well, I'd like to speak first. Yeah.

6558
04:32:58,319 --> 04:33:01,359
>> So, um, first off, Mr. Stocks, I think

6559
04:33:01,359 --> 04:33:04,000
you're a named defendant in the notice

6560
04:33:04,000 --> 04:33:06,879
of claim, I think that under rule 1.7 of

6561
04:33:06,879 --> 04:33:08,799
the rules of professional conduct that

6562
04:33:08,799 --> 04:33:11,199
there is a conflict there. I also ask

6563
04:33:11,199 --> 04:33:14,240
that all members on this board who had a

6564
04:33:14,240 --> 04:33:16,959
conflict disclose that. Right now, I

6565
04:33:16,959 --> 04:33:18,480
don't see that there's been any advice

6566
04:33:18,480 --> 04:33:20,879
given on that conflict. And I don't know

6567
04:33:20,879 --> 04:33:22,639
if I can we can consider the advice that

6568
04:33:22,639 --> 04:33:24,240
you would give right now to be

6569
04:33:24,240 --> 04:33:26,561
independent or binding. I want to get

6570
04:33:26,561 --> 04:33:29,039
back right here. So, Karns Tribune

6571
04:33:29,039 --> 04:33:31,119
Corporation versus the Salt Lake County

6572
04:33:31,119 --> 04:33:33,199
Commission, right? Under the advice that

6573
04:33:33,199 --> 04:33:35,680
our attorney gave us to go into close

6574
04:33:35,680 --> 04:33:37,920
session, this was the finding. Utah

6575
04:33:37,920 --> 04:33:39,840
Supreme Court found bound that a public

6576
04:33:39,840 --> 04:33:42,240
board cannot invoke the character and

6577
04:33:42,240 --> 04:33:44,799
competence exception discuss its own

6578
04:33:44,799 --> 04:33:46,959
internal management, generalized

6579
04:33:46,959 --> 04:33:49,520
operations, the failure of board members

6580
04:33:49,520 --> 04:33:51,760
to perform their duties. The court

6581
04:33:51,760 --> 04:33:54,000
stated that political disagreements and

6582
04:33:54,000 --> 04:33:56,160
structural procedure debates belong

6583
04:33:56,160 --> 04:33:58,561
strictly in the public square. That's

6584
04:33:58,561 --> 04:34:00,639
why we can't go into close session for

6585
04:34:00,639 --> 04:34:03,359
this item right here. Second off, I'd

6586
04:34:03,359 --> 04:34:04,959
like to just provide a small a quick

6587
04:34:04,959 --> 04:34:07,279
update on the uh uh Utah

6588
04:34:07,279 --> 04:34:10,639
anti-discrimination labor and division.

6589
04:34:10,639 --> 04:34:13,359
No cause on eight of the claims that

6590
04:34:13,359 --> 04:34:16,000
were filed. Right. The plaintiffs have

6591
04:34:16,000 --> 04:34:18,719
every right to appeal right now and that

6592
04:34:18,719 --> 04:34:21,199
belongs in a court of law. But clearly

6593
04:34:21,199 --> 04:34:23,279
there's conflicts all around this

6594
04:34:23,279 --> 04:34:25,359
commission right here as we're talking.

6595
04:34:25,359 --> 04:34:28,400
Our county at our administrator needs to

6596
04:34:28,400 --> 04:34:30,719
be insulated so that he can do his job

6597
04:34:30,719 --> 04:34:33,439
for the public and neither side as Bill

6598
04:34:33,439 --> 04:34:35,439
had spoke right of this pending

6599
04:34:35,439 --> 04:34:38,000
litigation should be trying to influence

6600
04:34:38,000 --> 04:34:40,400
pressure evaluate him and it is

6601
04:34:40,400 --> 04:34:42,240
absolutely inappropriate to be

6602
04:34:42,240 --> 04:34:43,600
suggesting that we do it in close

6603
04:34:43,600 --> 04:34:47,189
session.

6604
04:34:47,199 --> 04:34:50,480
» Thank you. Um I I have a few thoughts on

6605
04:34:50,480 --> 04:34:53,359
this. I first off uh when Trish said she

6606
04:34:53,359 --> 04:34:55,680
got recruited, we we did create a three

6607
04:34:55,680 --> 04:34:58,719
member committee when I was the chair uh

6608
04:34:58,719 --> 04:35:01,439
to do the evaluations for two years and

6609
04:35:01,439 --> 04:35:02,719
I thought that was a successful

6610
04:35:02,719 --> 04:35:06,719
paradigm. Um I am not, as has previously

6611
04:35:06,719 --> 04:35:08,959
been stated, Melody and Mike myself are

6612
04:35:08,959 --> 04:35:11,520
not conflicted. I would be more than

6613
04:35:11,520 --> 04:35:15,680
happy to offer um myself up on an

6614
04:35:15,680 --> 04:35:17,600
evaluation. I do think it's very

6615
04:35:17,600 --> 04:35:19,680
important. I think that our

6616
04:35:19,680 --> 04:35:22,400
administrator is the highest paid

6617
04:35:22,400 --> 04:35:24,959
employee in Grant County and we are his

6618
04:35:24,959 --> 04:35:28,240
boss. And I think that that um when I was running a company, I

6619
04:35:28,240 --> 04:35:30,879
evaluated all my employees yearly and I

6620
04:35:30,879 --> 04:35:32,080
think that's an important part of the

6621
04:35:32,080 --> 04:35:35,760
process. Um I also think it's important

6622
04:35:35,760 --> 04:35:37,520
to I I I think we have a very good

6623
04:35:37,520 --> 04:35:39,359
paradigm for doing an evaluation. We've

6624
04:35:39,359 --> 04:35:40,799
done it in the past. I've done it in the

6625
04:35:40,799 --> 04:35:43,199
past. To Melody's point about doing it

6626
04:35:43,199 --> 04:35:45,199
in November, I'm cool with that, but I I

6627
04:35:45,199 --> 04:35:47,199
do think that we should get a start on

6628
04:35:47,199 --> 04:35:49,760
that. It it it took about a month to do

6629
04:35:49,760 --> 04:35:52,320
the evaluation. Uh we met in close

6630
04:35:52,320 --> 04:35:55,119
session and looked at um at the results

6631
04:35:55,119 --> 04:35:57,520
of uh the surveys that were given out to

6632
04:35:57,520 --> 04:35:58,799
department heads as well as other

6633
04:35:58,799 --> 04:36:02,240
electeds and then we met again. Um so

6634
04:36:02,240 --> 04:36:04,480
the whole process, it it was a it was a

6635
04:36:04,480 --> 04:36:06,240
fairly lengthy process and I think it

6636
04:36:06,240 --> 04:36:09,039
was done very well. Um, I'm happy to

6637
04:36:09,039 --> 04:36:11,439
discuss that, but Melody, I I'll I'll

6638
04:36:11,439 --> 04:36:13,760
take you at face value and if we do do

6639
04:36:13,760 --> 04:36:15,119
this, it's going to be budget season. I

6640
04:36:15,119 --> 04:36:17,359
think we should get a start on it by I

6641
04:36:17,359 --> 04:36:20,320
would say midepptember at the latest.

6642
04:36:20,320 --> 04:36:22,000
Um,

6643
04:36:22,000 --> 04:36:24,799
and again, I would be happy to do that.

6644
04:36:24,799 --> 04:36:28,639
And if there is conflict, um, I I would

6645
04:36:28,639 --> 04:36:30,879
suggest Mike and Melody and myself be

6646
04:36:30,879 --> 04:36:33,760
the ones who do are a committee to run

6647
04:36:33,760 --> 04:36:36,959
the evaluation. Thanks.

6648
04:36:36,959 --> 04:36:39,119
Thank you, Mike.

6649
04:36:39,119 --> 04:36:42,400
>> Um, perceived conflict all around. We

6650
04:36:42,400 --> 04:36:48,639
love your idea later on. That solves all problems.

6651
04:36:48,639 --> 04:36:52,561
So, I mean, I I'm surprised everyone's

6652
04:36:52,561 --> 04:36:56,480
just yelling out today. And I mean,

6653
04:36:56,480 --> 04:36:59,119
conflict, conflict, conflict. Utah is a

6654
04:36:59,119 --> 04:37:01,520
disclosure state. That's why I say my

6655
04:37:01,520 --> 04:37:02,879
wife works for the sheriff's department

6656
04:37:02,879 --> 04:37:05,680
every day. Every time up here, if you

6657
04:37:05,680 --> 04:37:08,320
have a conflict, you disclose

6658
04:37:08,320 --> 04:37:10,080
>> on the agenda.

6659
04:37:10,080 --> 04:37:12,719
>> Well, it is.

6660
04:37:12,719 --> 04:37:13,840
>> It was on the agenda.

6661
04:37:13,840 --> 04:37:14,799
>> On the agenda.

6662
04:37:14,799 --> 04:37:18,240
>> I I wasn't thinking I was thinking of

6663
04:37:18,240 --> 04:37:20,959
it. So, I apologize,

6664
04:37:20,959 --> 04:37:23,279
but uh

6665
04:37:23,279 --> 04:37:26,561
I'm done. I I move that we draw this

6666
04:37:26,561 --> 04:37:28,799
conversation to both of

6667
04:37:28,799 --> 04:37:32,000
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. I I just

6668
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:34,000
want it on the record that you are

6669
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:36,480
pressuring the administrator every time

6670
04:37:36,480 --> 04:37:38,480
you bring this up. Doc, you're

6671
04:37:38,480 --> 04:37:41,119
pressuring the administrator as well.

6672
04:37:41,119 --> 04:37:43,600
This needs to happen after this legal

6673
04:37:43,600 --> 04:37:46,799
process finishes. And there's no

6674
04:37:46,799 --> 04:37:48,639
pressuring the administrator, Bill.

6675
04:37:48,639 --> 04:37:52,160
>> There is no reason to be pressuring the

6676
04:37:52,160 --> 04:37:54,320
administrator one way or the other in

6677
04:37:54,320 --> 04:37:56,080
this process. So,

6678
04:37:56,080 --> 04:37:58,240
>> we have two commissioners who are

6679
04:37:58,240 --> 04:38:00,400
regularly

6680
04:38:00,400 --> 04:38:03,600
>> applying pressure to the administrator.

6681
04:38:03,600 --> 04:38:04,719
>> They have a conflict.

6682
04:38:04,719 --> 04:38:06,160
>> We're going to be done. We're done with

6683
04:38:06,160 --> 04:38:07,199
this conversation.

6684
04:38:07,199 --> 04:38:08,000
>> Thank you.

6685
04:38:08,000 --> 04:38:10,799
>> Okay. All right.

6686
04:38:10,799 --> 04:38:12,879
We will get the done.

6687
04:38:12,879 --> 04:38:14,320
>> We're going to take the conflict to

6688
04:38:14,320 --> 04:38:16,480
people out

6689
04:38:16,480 --> 04:38:17,520
there next.

6690
04:38:17,520 --> 04:38:19,600
>> I'm

6691
04:38:19,600 --> 04:38:22,480
me. So anyways, our ending is our

6692
04:38:22,480 --> 04:38:23,920
general commissioner for some future

6693
04:38:23,920 --> 04:38:27,039
consideration that

6694
04:38:27,039 --> 04:38:29,680
I I thought I sent my report but I just

6695
04:38:29,680 --> 04:38:32,000
looked in my send and I didn't.

6696
04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:35,279
>> Well, it's okay. She can still add

6697
04:38:35,279 --> 04:38:38,561
>> who this questionnaire did you put it in

6698
04:38:38,561 --> 04:38:39,920
yours because you were at the same

6699
04:38:39,920 --> 04:38:41,920
meeting. Did you put the report? So

6700
04:38:41,920 --> 04:38:44,959
people I'll send it to you tomorrow. The

6701
04:38:44,959 --> 04:38:47,359
housing task force has a questionnaire

6702
04:38:47,359 --> 04:38:51,760
on uh deed restrictions for volunteer

6703
04:38:51,760 --> 04:38:54,561
deed restrictions and it would be great

6704
04:38:54,561 --> 04:38:57,039
if we all did it. We all did it while we

6705
04:38:57,039 --> 04:38:59,600
were in the meeting and so I will put

6706
04:38:59,600 --> 04:39:02,240
that in the email so you can all get it

6707
04:39:02,240 --> 04:39:05,279
and then I'll just put my seven page

6708
04:39:05,279 --> 04:39:08,799
report in next week in next meeting. You

6709
04:39:08,799 --> 04:39:10,799
can just send it to Dana and she can add

6710
04:39:10,799 --> 04:39:12,639
it to

6711
04:39:12,639 --> 04:39:13,439
you. It's

6712
04:39:13,439 --> 04:39:15,439
>> pretty I thought I work.

6713
04:39:15,439 --> 04:39:16,000
>> Yeah,

6714
04:39:16,000 --> 04:39:18,000
>> I did notice it wasn't there. Mary, I'm

6715
04:39:18,000 --> 04:39:19,680
not

6716
04:39:19,680 --> 04:39:21,279
um but yeah, you can send it. She can

6717
04:39:21,279 --> 04:39:22,000
add it in

6718
04:39:22,000 --> 04:39:23,680
>> because I really want I had that at the

6719
04:39:23,680 --> 04:39:25,920
very top. The questionnaire do this

6720
04:39:25,920 --> 04:39:27,760
questionnaire and

6721
04:39:27,760 --> 04:39:30,400
>> I probably I was probably watching the

6722
04:39:30,400 --> 04:39:34,320
World Cup and uh forgot to push that.

6723
04:39:34,320 --> 04:39:36,080
>> Does anybody have anything from their

6724
04:39:36,080 --> 04:39:37,600
reports that they just need to share? I

6725
04:39:37,600 --> 04:39:38,718
know we had a couple things at the

6726
04:39:38,718 --> 04:39:40,160
beginning, but is there something else

6727
04:39:40,160 --> 04:39:41,440
you have in mind like

6728
04:39:41,440 --> 04:39:42,878
>> Thank you to everyone who participated

6729
04:39:42,878 --> 04:39:45,360
in camp fair activities.

6730
04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:47,760
I mean, this whole room is there. Uh,

6731
04:39:47,760 --> 04:39:50,000
love seeing you all out. Again, I I

6732
04:39:50,000 --> 04:39:52,080
can't say it enough every single year.

6733
04:39:52,080 --> 04:39:55,200
Uh, and I actually am super excited. We

6734
04:39:55,200 --> 04:39:58,878
might have December activities, too. So,

6735
04:39:58,878 --> 04:40:02,240
uh, not too many local events are held

6736
04:40:02,240 --> 04:40:05,600
specifically for locals. Uh but I I see

6737
04:40:05,600 --> 04:40:08,480
a lot happen and I'm really happy to uh

6738
04:40:08,480 --> 04:40:11,120
continue work with Kenny Farah and uh

6739
04:40:11,120 --> 04:40:12,000
move into the next

6740
04:40:12,000 --> 04:40:14,160
>> yeah two full weekends

6741
04:40:14,160 --> 04:40:15,440
>> and everyone was there so it was great

6742
04:40:15,440 --> 04:40:15,920
to see

6743
04:40:15,920 --> 04:40:18,958
>> you have anything

6744
04:40:18,958 --> 04:40:21,760
we're just beginning to work on budget

6745
04:40:21,760 --> 04:40:23,280
information

6746
04:40:23,280 --> 04:40:26,560
the year and also for next year as well

6747
04:40:26,560 --> 04:40:28,958
and Chantel's helping with that a great

6748
04:40:28,958 --> 04:40:31,440
deal as well as

6749
04:40:31,440 --> 04:40:33,040
>> okay

6750
04:40:33,040 --> 04:40:37,280
>> and we're working on following up on our

6751
04:40:37,280 --> 04:40:41,680
budget or our audit from last year.

6752
04:40:41,680 --> 04:40:43,760
>> Try to get that

6753
04:40:43,760 --> 04:40:44,400
fine.

6754
04:40:44,400 --> 04:40:44,878
>> Yeah.

6755
04:40:44,878 --> 04:40:46,958
>> Are we any getting anywhere close to

6756
04:40:46,958 --> 04:40:49,040
getting our

6757
04:40:49,040 --> 04:40:50,560
audit

6758
04:40:50,560 --> 04:40:52,718
>> turned in to the state? I mean, is that

6759
04:40:52,718 --> 04:40:54,878
why our clerk auditor is not here? I

6760
04:40:54,878 --> 04:40:55,280
mean,

6761
04:40:55,280 --> 04:41:00,320
>> is it where is it where are we at in that

6762
04:41:00,320 --> 04:41:02,160
process? So, we're waiting we're waiting

6763
04:41:02,160 --> 04:41:04,878
on

6764
04:41:04,878 --> 04:41:07,600
count to get us that information for the

6765
04:41:07,600 --> 04:41:10,000
preliminary draft. So, that's where we

6766
04:41:10,000 --> 04:41:12,480
are currently.

6767
04:41:12,480 --> 04:41:15,280
Follow up with them.

6768
04:41:15,280 --> 04:41:17,760
>> Okay. All right. And I'm going to

6769
04:41:17,760 --> 04:41:20,638
adjourn this meeting at 7:42 on July 7.

6770
04:41:20,638 --> 04:41:24,680
Thank you. They have