1 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:44,230 telling that to the public. 2 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,159 » He's he's going to read a statement. 3 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:48,240 >> Exactly. The beginning of the work. 4 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,640 >> Yes. 5 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,240 >> All right. You ready? 6 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,119 >> Okay. I will open this Grand County 7 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:57,360 Commission workshop 8 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,840 at 4 o'clock on July 21st at 2026. We 9 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,479 have present Commissioner Hadine 10 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:06,399 somewhere slipped out. She'll be back 11 00:02:06,399 --> 00:02:08,720 and Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner 12 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,479 Martinez, Commissioner Mcan, 13 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,080 Commissioner Mccertie, myself, 14 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,879 Commissioner Winfield, and I believe 15 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:16,879 Commissioner 16 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,800 Mccandas was going to be online, but I 17 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,800 don't see her yet. As far as elected 18 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,480 officials, we have a county attorney 19 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Stephen Stalks. We have um Gabe Witty, 20 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,640 our clerk auditor, and administrator 21 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,920 Mark Tiner. And just before we get going 22 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:33,280 here, there's a couple of little 23 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,120 announcements I'd like to make. Number 24 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 one, I'd like to give our condolences to 25 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Cody Stewart and his family for the 26 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,239 their loss. And then on another note, 27 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:46,800 like to introduce Lynn Citrid, 28 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,400 who is replacing Larry Ellerson and will 29 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,360 be our representative for John Curtis's 30 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,000 staff here. And so with that, we will 31 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,800 start the workshop. And I'm going to let 32 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,640 the administrator start us off here. 33 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:05,360 As we begin today's workshop, 34 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,440 Chair Mccandalas would like to remind us 35 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,599 that our purpose here is simple but 36 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:12,319 vital to ensure the financial stability 37 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,120 and integrity of Grand County. 38 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,959 You all have different perspectives and 39 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:19,599 that diversity is a strength when it's 40 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,760 focused on solutions. But today, let's 41 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,159 set aside political rhetoric and 42 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:25,840 concentrate on the numbers, the needs, 43 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,840 and the responsibilities that are shared 44 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,720 to serve our residents. The budget isn't 45 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,680 about ideology. It's about stewardship. 46 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Every dollar represents trust placed in 47 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,319 you by the people of this county. Honor 48 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,799 that trust by working collaboratively, 49 00:03:40,799 --> 00:03:42,879 listening carefully, and keeping our 50 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:44,879 attention on what truly matters, 51 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,400 building a sustainable path forward. 52 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,720 Your responsibility today isn't to win a 53 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,879 debate or defend a position. It's to 54 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:54,319 ensure that Grant County remains 55 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,400 financially strong and able to serve its 56 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,959 people well. Stewardship means looking 57 00:03:58,959 --> 00:04:00,959 beyond politics and focusing on what 58 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:02,959 sustains our community, fiscal 59 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:05,280 responsibility, transparency, and 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,920 collaboration. The numbers won't be into 61 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,840 ideology, but they will respond to 62 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,480 teamwork. So, please work together, stay 63 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,959 focused, and make decisions that reflect 64 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:17,680 that shared stewardship of this county. 65 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,400 Let's make this workshop about progress, 66 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,280 not politics, about stewardship, not 67 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,360 partisanship. Thank you, Melody McCann. 68 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,639 Thank you. Yeah. 69 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:31,280 >> Thank you, sir. And with those words, 70 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,400 we'll do our best. Paramelo. And I would 71 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,280 like to start off with Tess and her 72 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,960 presentation here possible. 73 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Or were we going to go with Do we want 74 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,000 to do an overview of the amendment and 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 kind of see where things stand and then 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:48,960 go? You know, 77 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,360 >> that that's great, Kate. Please do. 78 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Following Dana's advice there, but let's do the overview. 79 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,120 >> Let's see. 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,160 Maybe if we can get uh sharing 81 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,320 get some sharing. 82 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,639 It's okay. 83 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:22,550 >> Give me one sec. [clears throat] 84 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:29,909 » All right, we should be good. So, 85 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:31,520 I prepared in the packet a number of 86 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,840 documents that are is teeing up the 87 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:35,840 upcoming mid-year budget amendment that 88 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,400 you all will be considering. Um, the 89 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,000 first meeting in August will have to 90 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,240 entail the opening of public hearing 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,840 with approval and the second meeting of 92 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,479 August is how that process will have to 93 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:49,680 go. Um, and so there's a I provided 94 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,520 summary documents and detailed 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,400 documents. Um so so rather than having 96 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,560 to look at a long 30-page budget 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,120 document um which has the entire chart 98 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,360 of accounts that Grant County um 99 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,600 administers um I created this summary 100 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,919 document that's displayed right now that 101 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:11,120 in some in some aspects combines um some amendments into a single line so we 102 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,240 can see some totals um as well as just 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,680 kind of breaks it down in a little bit 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,720 more of a digestible format. So, when I 105 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,080 talk about the when we talk about the 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,240 budget with a capital B, oftentimes 107 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,479 we're really talking about the general 108 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:27,199 fund, which is fund 10. Um, and that 109 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:29,280 houses the unrestricted funds that the 110 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,000 county uses. Um, that that largely um 111 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,240 funds most of the operational expenses 112 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,360 and salary and benefits. Um, and really 113 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,120 where the rubber meets the road or the 114 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,639 when we talk about the bottom line of 115 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:42,720 the general fund is we're we're often 116 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,160 looking at this line right here, which 117 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,600 is the contribution from the fund 118 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,440 balance. 119 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,960 And so what that means is 120 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,560 >> Sorry, Gabe. I didn't see which line you 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,039 pointed. 122 00:06:51,039 --> 00:06:53,360 >> Oops. Um, it's right here. It's row 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,800 nine. [sighs and gasps] Yeah, 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,080 >> this 125 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,350 >> in the it's in your packet. Yes. 126 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,360 » And so what that is that that's a 127 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,199 revenue that we have to budget in in 128 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,720 order to balance the budget. So, and as 129 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,400 um as it relates to governmental 130 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,000 accounting, each fund has to be 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 balanced, meaning all expenses need to 132 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,000 um equal revenues. um to net out to 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,240 zero. So if we have expenses um that are 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,560 exceeding the amount of expected actual 135 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,160 uh expected revenues that we might 136 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,800 expect to receive that um that deficit 137 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,560 needs to be made up by what we have in 138 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,800 savings or what other in other words 139 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,199 what we also call the fund balance. And 140 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:37,840 so the approved original 2026 budget had 141 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,160 a draw in the fund balance to make up 142 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,080 that deficit and bring the fund to 143 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,309 balance of 345,824. 144 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,319 With a variety of adjustments that are 145 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,560 being proposed in this amendment, um 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,039 that that draw from from savings to 147 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:55,199 bring the fund to balance um is reduced 148 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,110 to 243,633. 149 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,919 Um the main features of this amendment 150 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:05,440 um are a variety of uh updates to 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,199 projections uh of the sale largely of 152 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,520 the sales and use taxes that make up a 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,720 large um amount of the revenues um that um that come into the general fund. 154 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,680 Um, and just just I'll I'll come right 155 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,039 back to the general fund, but the rest 156 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:25,919 of this summary just displays um mostly 157 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:28,400 minor amendments as they relate to the 158 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,360 other funds um which are for the most 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,800 part um they administer restricted funds 160 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,959 and are sort of self-funded via those 161 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:38,320 restricted funds and are kind of 162 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,800 self-containing. Um some of the some of 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,440 the other funds do receive um funding 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,120 support from the general fund such as 165 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,959 the children's justice center or the 166 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:49,519 family uh support center. Um but largely 167 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:51,920 these um you know a fund like the roads 168 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,000 is funded by its own types of sales 169 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,440 taxes that are restricted for the 170 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,399 purposes um of those departments. And so 171 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,800 these the largely the other uh 172 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,560 amendments proposed down through these 173 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,880 other funds largely relate to 174 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,680 adjustments in revenues um that fund 175 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,880 those funds or for example say library 176 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,440 capital projects um that's where we just 177 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,279 administer the capital projects they had 178 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:17,839 a large hback um project that we all 179 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:20,959 know about um and so the you know there 180 00:09:20,959 --> 00:09:22,640 has to be an amendment or a budgetary 181 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,720 action showing the the draw from the 182 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,399 savings that have put in been put in 183 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,560 over the years in that fund. in order to 184 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,800 cover a large expense such that as was 185 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,200 just made for the library for that HVAC 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,080 purpose. Um the other main um update uh 187 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,959 proposed in this amendment are um 188 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:44,399 adjustments to the expected yearend 189 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,800 expenditures related to salary and 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,640 benefits of staff and the general fund. 191 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,440 And so, you know, as a total combined 192 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,760 amount, what was originally budgeted in 193 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,880 2020 at the beginning of for 2026 was 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,399 this 15.69 million. Um, and up updated 195 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,120 projections show that that is now at uh 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,839 15.92 million. And so the overall 197 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:10,880 difference um and so now we expect to um 198 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,600 to spend $234,000 199 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,839 more than we originally budgeted for the 200 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:18,480 purpose of salary and benefits. Um and 201 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,839 then there's a number of smaller 202 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:23,600 adjustments um operational expenses um 203 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,600 as as in as much as I could at this 204 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,320 point in the year. I try to um see some 205 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,040 of the department expenses um and use 206 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,279 what I know about the budget to um 207 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:34,959 reduce the budget on certain lines when 208 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:36,959 I know when I know that you know the 209 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,800 spending just wouldn't be there. And 210 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,480 likewise there are some expenses that 211 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,120 had to be raised because the uh year-to- 212 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,680 date actuals were already showing um at 213 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:47,519 or above budget. And we we always want 214 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,600 to make sure to to amend the budget to 215 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,519 reflect those actual expenses and and 216 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:56,800 not be overbudget on any given line as much as as possible in regards to 217 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,079 just general compliance practices. 218 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:02,800 Um and let's see uh and then other 219 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,120 revenues as well. So things like 220 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,200 building permits and business licenses 221 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,880 and the other fees that we collect that 222 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,600 would be um that would be um contained 223 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,920 in this sort of other revenues catchall 224 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,000 line. and I tried my best um to reduce 225 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,200 or increase any of those revenues given 226 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,440 um you know the information that we have 227 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,680 on hand right now um a little over 228 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,000 halfway through the year 229 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,920 and then so the last thing I'll touch on 230 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,670 here 231 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,920 is the just diving in a little bit more 232 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,360 into these um you know this sort of this upper area here this general sales 233 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,560 tax quarter percent sales tax TRT and 234 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:47,360 TRCCA. 235 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Um there's more detail available in the 236 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,839 um agenda packet documents. 237 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:58,000 Sorry, this toolbar is in the way. Okay. 238 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Um and so this is a summary sheet and 239 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,360 this um this first tab and this appears 240 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,279 in the agenda packet as it as its own 241 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,760 document titled summary. Um this just 242 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,440 goes into a little bit more specific 243 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,519 level um and also provides some 244 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:13,519 historical reference for each of these 245 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:17,200 different uh fund revenue sources. Uh 246 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,000 the ones shaded here. So right here and 247 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,760 then this entire block is kind of a 248 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,680 light gray shading. Um th those revenues 249 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,959 um for uh in large part um are able to 250 00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:30,800 end up into the general fund and 251 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,639 offsetting and offset general fund 252 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:34,160 expenses. So they're generally 253 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,360 unrestricted in in most ways. Um, and 254 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,760 you can see that either here where this 255 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,519 GL code follows the revenue title that 256 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:45,440 you see this one goes this we pull that 257 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 revenue directly into the general fund. 258 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Um, these ones 23 is the TRT promotion. 259 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,519 So that obviously doesn't go into the 260 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:55,600 general fund, but this 26 side that's 261 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,720 the mitigation TRT fund. Um, and so that 262 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,560 is the portion of this line that goes 263 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,920 into the general fund. 22 is for TRCCA. 264 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,600 So that makes up um [clears throat] this 265 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,600 tax and the bottom three in this chart. 266 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,720 And um those um were were able to use 267 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,279 entirely as a general fund offset. 268 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:15,200 >> And which document are you working off 269 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,880 of there, Gabe? 270 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:27,120 >> Um let's see. This one is titled proposed 2026 amended tax revenue 271 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,880 projection summary. 272 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,639 Um 273 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,680 >> and so 274 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:39,519 the the so in um in regards to the the 275 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,440 projection methodology and the update 276 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,040 that we used. Um one thing that we were 277 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,760 able to do now is um so we we created 278 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,480 this this this this column here displays 279 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,680 the revenue projections that we crafted 280 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,880 and entered into the 2026 budget. At at 281 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,639 that time we only had a certain amount 282 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:00,639 of um revenue. you know, it was still, 283 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,720 you know, we're talking about still end 284 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,800 of November. We only had revenue through 285 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,720 that time. We had strong months through 286 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,959 the end of the year. Um, and that caused 287 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:11,040 our our that admittedly caused our 288 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,120 projections to be like pretty light and 289 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,880 pretty soft and but it's definitely 290 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,360 better to to to project conservatively 291 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,560 and and overperform um than um than get 292 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,360 too far out ahead. Um and so you know it puts us in a position a more 293 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,160 advantageous position to see revenues 294 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,160 that are actually coming in um higher 295 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,399 than we expected so that we um you know 296 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:34,560 can have more flexibility in budgetary 297 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,639 decisions. 298 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,480 So the largely the with um I guess the 299 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,880 last thing I'll say is the transient 300 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,800 room tax 301 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,959 for every revenue other than transient 302 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:50,079 room tax all the the methodology that we 303 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:52,320 used is we took the fullear totals from 304 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:58,000 2023 2024 2025 along with totals the 305 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 along with the totals from January and 306 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,320 June and we kind of plotted those all 307 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,720 out in a graph and then created just a 308 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,839 simple linear trend line that you that 309 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:10,320 um and and extrapolated that trend line 310 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,360 out until the end of 2026. Um and 311 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,279 wherever that wherever that point held 312 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,959 at the end of de December 2026 um you 313 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:21,360 know illustrated to us the that you know 314 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,040 what we would expect to be the the 315 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,839 projected total um given all of the 316 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:28,240 updated data that we have on hand. And 317 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,240 so that that resulted in in several 318 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,519 increases with the TRT projection. We 319 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,839 took a a slightly different approach and 320 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:38,880 this can be found in the amended 321 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,959 proposed amended budget or revenue 322 00:15:40,959 --> 00:15:48,000 projection um detail on the um there's a page specifically for TRT um 323 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,839 and there's just a number I tried to 324 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:52,000 color code it so it was as easy to 325 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,440 follow as possible here um but the the 326 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,279 challenge the main ch one of the main 327 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,959 one of the challenges here with TRT is 328 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:01,360 we recently had a rate change from four 329 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,079 and a quarter to 4 and a half percent. 330 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:06,720 Um that rate change um as it relates to 331 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,560 our actual collections that we received 332 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,360 from the tax commission um started with 333 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,639 the December 2025 distribution that we 334 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:17,600 received from the tax commission. Um and 335 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,800 the the 2026 budget amount that is 336 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,560 entered in the budget did you know at 337 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,079 the time that I was preparing the budget 338 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:26,800 I did factor in that change to happen. 339 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,279 Um however in order to compare 23 24 25 340 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,480 to and then create a projection for 2026 341 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,880 we had to uh make sure that we were 342 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,399 adjusting for that rate change in the 343 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:39,759 appropriate way in order to compare 344 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:46,880 apples to apples. Um and so basically I I adjusted the December 2025 number as 345 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,120 though the rate had been four and a 346 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,360 quarter still. Um and then created a 347 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,000 linear projection based on that. Um and 348 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,160 then using that data with that linear 349 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,839 projection I was just able to just 350 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:00,079 convert these numbers as though there we 351 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:01,920 were operating with a four and a half% 352 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,559 rate change. 353 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,799 my uh my initial projection u figure um 354 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,240 you operated with this um this linear 355 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,720 this four and a half% linear projection 356 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,959 and then but also factored in the 357 00:17:16,959 --> 00:17:20,480 January to June overperformance that we 358 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,039 that we've experienced or in other words 359 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:24,959 the actual receipts that we received 360 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:29,360 this year versus the um that 4 and a.5% 361 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,320 adjusted projection. Um and so basically 362 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,559 as you can see the summary down here 363 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,960 that I I had initially um entered a 364 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,880 projection that included that four and a 365 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,559 half% linear projection with the 366 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:47,830 overperformance at the request of 367 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,360 » um at the request of the chair what what 368 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,280 is currently entered into this amendment 369 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,280 and and in all the documents that that 370 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,080 you see um what I ended up doing was 371 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,039 taking the year-to-day actuals this this 372 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,919 uh the these pink cells right here and 373 00:18:03,919 --> 00:18:09,200 then um the 2025 actuals from July to 374 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,520 December. So that would that would um 375 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,200 you know filling out the rest of this 376 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,559 year. Um and then converted converted 377 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,440 those as though it were a 4 and a half% 378 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,000 rate. And so basically right now the 379 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,600 projection assumes that we're going to 380 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,240 have a flat uh a flat revenue 381 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,559 environment through the end of the year 382 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:31,679 compared to 2025 year-over-year with the 383 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:34,559 rate change adopted. Um and so I think 384 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:37,600 I've been speaking a lot at a pretty 385 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,160 rapid pace about all these numbers and 386 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,200 at risk of um creating any confusion or 387 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,200 losing you. I I think I'll stop there. 388 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,559 That's a I think that's a pretty good 389 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,720 overview of the amendment being proposed 390 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,350 at this time. 391 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,240 And so Dave, do you have any projections 392 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,400 of I know that we looked at the numbers 393 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,960 on your first graph there. Let me get 394 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,390 back to that 395 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,799 showing that we were our contribution 396 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:13,270 was now at a 243,633 397 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,760 and then with salaries and benefits at 398 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,280 234 399 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,960 and 062. Is that correct? 400 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,960 >> Right. that that's the amount over 401 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,360 that's that's the amount sort of um that 402 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:31,120 we have to increase because it's it's more than we budgeted for 234. 403 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,160 >> Right. 404 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,039 >> Okay. Thank you. And then just for the 405 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:36,160 public and the rest of the 406 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,160 commissioners, we now have um commission 407 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,320 chair Melody McCandless is with us 408 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,880 online. 409 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,600 >> You're up. 410 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 >> Yes. Go ahead. Yeah. 411 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,160 So, I mean, we're talking projections. 412 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Um, so what happens if we don't meet 413 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,960 those projections? So, this number that 414 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,559 we're pulling from reserves is kind of 415 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:00,400 the way I 416 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,320 pulling from savings just to simplify 417 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,679 it. If we don't meet these object 418 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,440 projections, that number could be 419 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,120 larger. Uh yeah, that there there would 420 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,880 be a larger drop from the fund balance 421 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,280 if if those re revenue projections 422 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,200 aren't met and all expenses that are 423 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,960 currently in the budget are are 424 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,600 executed. 425 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,400 >> Okay. 426 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320 >> No, that just I just kind of just for 427 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,760 the general public I want to kind of 428 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,840 have some ideas. I mean projections are 429 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,679 what they are. They're projections. 430 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,520 >> So hopefully 431 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,280 >> Commissioner Mccertie 432 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,360 >> um just in these projections the general 433 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,880 sales taxes were ahead 174,000. 434 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,919 >> That's correct. Yep. 435 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,000 >> And then 436 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,960 174,000 uh county quarter% sales tax 437 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,120 ahead 14 grand. 438 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:45,679 >> Mhm. 439 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:50,960 >> Uh TRT mitigation ahead ahead 160,000 440 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,880 TRCC 441 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Leopard uh 12,800 so 13,000 442 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,480 >> and other revenues were down 65,000. Okay. 443 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,600 >> Yeah. 444 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,200 And then contributions from fund 445 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,840 balance. That's the extra the 102,000. 446 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,240 >> Yeah. So we're we're we're the amendment 447 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,760 proposes that we're going to be pulling 448 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,760 less from savings to balance the budget. 449 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,000 So it's a better situation than we 450 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,840 started with the year with. 451 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,919 >> That that that was the the outcome that 452 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:23,679 I was hoping to have stated. It's a 453 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:24,640 better 454 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,240 >> situation. 455 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Is a better situation that we're in for 456 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,520 our constituents than we thought we 457 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,720 would be in. 458 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,280 >> Commissioner Hadler. And and to clarify 459 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,679 um so the the 460 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:38,159 243 draw does that include the 461 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,640 additional uh 234 in salaries? 462 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,039 >> Yes. 463 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,080 >> That takes into account that. Okay. 464 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,559 >> Yes, it does. 465 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:47,270 >> Thank you. 466 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 » Anyone else? 467 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,280 >> Then I think we can transition over to 468 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,480 you, Tess, if you're ready to 469 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,080 walk us through all of that. 470 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:03,350 >> I am. Thank you. 471 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,919 If it's agreeable, 472 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:08,960 >> you're just fine. 473 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:17,990 >> If it's agreeable to each 474 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,679 » Thank you, Quinn. 475 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:25,120 I will begin with uh the cost of living 476 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,280 adjustment scenarios that my department 477 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600 created and then can transition into 478 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,960 sharing the uh new position and 479 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840 reclassification proposals. 480 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,559 So to begin, 481 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,880 um, my department has generated a number 482 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,640 of cost of living adjustment scenarios 483 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,640 for the commission. And for a reminder, 484 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,320 the 2026 cost of living adjustment that 485 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,799 was adopted um for the Social Security 486 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,240 Administration was 2.8%. 487 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,280 We were not able at the beginning of the 488 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,240 year to adopt any modified cost of 489 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,480 living adjustment percentage and the 490 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,320 commission at during budget season 491 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,840 indicated that you all would be 492 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,360 interested in us coming back at the 493 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,200 midyear point once we had a better idea 494 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,120 of where we were going to be for our 495 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,120 year um to present this proposal again. 496 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,799 So again context is 2.8% 8% was the 2026 497 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,640 adopted cost of living adjustment for 498 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,480 the Social Security Administration. 499 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120 Projected cost of living adjustment or 500 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,520 2027 is currently estimated somewhere 501 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,320 between 3.7 to 3.8%. 502 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,000 Um a few months ago it was somewhere 503 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,240 between 3.8 to 4.2. It is based on uh 504 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,720 the easiest way to put it is inflation 505 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,280 and so it will continue to fluctuate but 506 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,440 we there is that pattern of it being in 507 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,159 the high 3% range and the official cost 508 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,919 of living adjustment is published every 509 00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:55,919 October. So we won't have a a firm 510 00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:59,840 number to work with until October which we're we're used to working with 511 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,960 the projected amount and then um 512 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320 updating the commission as we go through 513 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280 the budget season. So with that, um the 514 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840 first scenario that I will show is if we 515 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,360 were to adopt the 2.8% cost of living 516 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,480 adjustment without retroacting as of pay 517 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,559 period ending August 2nd, 2026. Um so of 518 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,240 course we'll be working through this 519 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,400 workshop today. We then have to have the 520 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,320 public hearing and then adopt the the 521 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,480 amended budget. And so um this isn't 522 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,400 saying that it would absolutely need to 523 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,200 go into effect as of August 2nd, 2026. 524 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,760 Those are just simply the numbers that I was working with. Um, so for us 525 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,760 to adopt a 2.8% COLA starting pay period 526 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,080 ending B26 527 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,149 would be $226,491. 528 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:52,080 Of that 179,5 529 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,919 uh $558 would be from the general fund. 530 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,919 And I apologize I try to make this a 531 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,640 little bit bigger. It's a little a 532 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,919 little tough to with this many lines. Uh 533 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,760 so again highlighting that general fund 534 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,200 number because that that is typically 535 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,200 what we're most uh most conscientious 536 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,159 of. But but the the total would be the 537 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,230 226,490. 538 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,880 » Um 539 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480 >> and can I clarify that's to put into 540 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,159 place on August 2nd a 2.8% cola that 541 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:28,080 would finish the rest of the year. that 542 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,760 wouldn't backtrack to the people. 543 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,279 >> That's correct. This is not this is not 544 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,480 a retroactive proposal which 545 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,559 >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And so when I 546 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,080 say pay period ending August 2nd, 2026, 547 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 um that that means that it would be the 548 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,360 pay period essentially. It's a pay 549 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,039 period that we're currently in. Again, 550 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:46,640 these are these are just simply the 551 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,799 projections that I that I made for the 552 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,480 purposes of this. What I will say is 553 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,640 with the 2.8% cola, um the rub amount 554 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600 per pay period is about $20,000. And so 555 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,360 if we uh determined that we weren't able 556 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,279 to adopt it until later on and say we 557 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,159 wait one or two additional pay periods, 558 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,559 it would reduce by approximately 20 to 559 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,440 $40,000 based on uh when it were to go 560 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,080 into effect. And those are again all all 561 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,679 numbers and projections that we that we 562 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,480 can certainly amend based on um what the 563 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,720 commission deems u appropriate, 564 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,320 feasible, 565 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,390 prudent. 566 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,480 » Um yes sir. I I know this is a workshop 567 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,240 and we're working through this. Can I 568 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,840 also see I look thank you for the 569 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,200 projections by the way. It really helps 570 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,520 me out in uh doing math. But can I also 571 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,799 see for a projection uh minus elected 572 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,080 officials 573 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,559 >> with not very much. It's like 290 bucks. 574 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,200 >> I see commission. I see 575 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,640 >> Oh, you want you want all elected 576 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:48,799 official? 577 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,039 >> Yeah. All elected officials. 578 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,480 >> Um [clears throat] yes, I I'm more than 579 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,760 happy to put that together. 580 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,640 >> What that? Yeah. what that I could do 581 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,000 the math. It just take me a little 582 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,679 longer right now. 583 00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:05,919 >> That's no that's no problem. Um so so as was indicated um we do have the the 584 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:07,679 commission broken out separately. 585 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:10,320 However, if we were looking at um all 586 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,640 classified elected positions then I be 587 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400 able to put that together. 588 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,909 >> No problem. 589 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:21,279 Um, so for this next 590 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,600 scenario, um, and and I'll preface that 591 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,440 these were these were the requested 592 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,360 scenarios for us to put together. Um, 593 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,520 it's it's not our full range of options. 594 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,200 We we of course have other options 595 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,880 available to us, but but for the 596 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,400 purposes of this workshop, I I went 597 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,919 ahead and used um the the projected 598 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,080 percentages that I was requested to to 599 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,400 come up with. So, if we were to 600 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,640 implement a modified 1% cost of living 601 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,520 adjustment, um, so if the 2.8% 8% is is 602 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840 not a number that would be appropriate 603 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,159 or feasible at this time to adopt. 604 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,320 Again, using that pay period ending 605 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,559 August 2nd, 2026 without any 606 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,080 retroacting, the total cost of a cost of 607 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399 living adjustment um to go into effect 608 00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:05,200 as of that pay period ending 826 through 609 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520 the end of this year would be a total of 610 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,110 $82,783. 611 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:15,360 And of that, the general fund would uh 612 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,520 would account for $66,12 613 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:27,350 of that adjustment. 614 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,720 And I'll go ahead and keep ticking 615 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,240 through scenarios, but please feel free 616 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,080 to ask me any questions that you have as 617 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,440 we're as we're going through this 618 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520 exercise. 619 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,679 So [clears throat] this next scenario is 620 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:39,600 again another scenario that uh was 621 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,679 requested for my for my office to 622 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:44,799 calculate on and that was using a 1.8% 623 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,159 cost of living adjustment. So again, 624 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,200 another modified percentage and again 625 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,080 using that pay period ending August 2nd, 626 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,120 2026 through the end of this year, um 627 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:01,669 that projected calculation is $145,52 628 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,760 approximately with a general fund 629 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,990 accounting for $115,425 630 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,430 of that total amount. 631 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,520 » I have a question. Can you also provide 632 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,480 us what this would do for a full year as 633 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,720 well because this decision just isn't 634 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,000 for you know August through December. 635 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,520 This is what we will be adding to the 636 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,480 budget for 2027 as well unless we would 637 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,159 be looking to take colas away. So I just 638 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:31,279 want to make sure that I understand what 639 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,399 that number is as well. 640 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,480 >> Um yes absolutely and I I can put those 641 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,080 numbers together for 2027 specifically. 642 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,480 Um that'll take a little bit more time 643 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,320 but absolutely able to do that. 644 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,799 >> Um 645 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,320 >> you could estimate it almost just 646 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,159 doubling it and adding a hair. I mean 647 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:50,320 just a little 648 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,440 starting in August which one 649 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,279 >> um thank you. And and so to speak to 650 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,360 that point actually if if we were to 651 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,039 look at again retroacting the 2.8% cola 652 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,600 from January of 26 through the end of 653 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,080 this year. Um this is our most I would 654 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,159 say rudimentary calculation and that's 655 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:11,360 because we have had a number of staff 656 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 changes um you know since the beginning 657 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,360 of the year. But if we were just working 658 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,360 off of the staff that we currently have 659 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200 now the positions that we currently have 660 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,720 filled um the projected calculation for 661 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,640 cost of living retroacting from the 662 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,760 beginning of this year through the 663 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760 through December of this year is 664 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,110 $543,722. 665 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,279 » What did you say? Excuse me. and cancel 666 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:34,799 by 44. 667 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,430 >> Oh yes, 543,722 668 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000 and of that the general fund would 669 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,990 account for $432,88 670 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120 of that. Um so as Commissioner Havler 671 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,960 spoke to um again for a really 672 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,679 rudimentary calculation of a 2027 it 673 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:57,200 would be that 543 674 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360 or 544,000 675 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 um with with likely a little bit 676 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,279 additional um certainly depending on if 677 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,960 we're you know back filling all of our 678 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,000 positions um you know based on staff 679 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,240 achieving milestones and exemplary 680 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,080 increases based on on the paper 681 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:20,470 performance plan etc. Sure. 682 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,200 Yes, sir. Just just a a cur curious 683 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,960 question. If one of the proposals is 684 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,600 considering retroactively filling in, is 685 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840 there a different tax implication? And I 686 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,720 that might be a off the cuff question. I don't know if you know if going 687 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,640 forward in lie of doing that you do a 688 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,799 higher percentage but I'd hate to 689 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,640 retroactively do it and then everybody's 690 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720 met with a surprise tax bill that they 691 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,120 wouldn't have necessarily had but for it 692 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,320 being implemented in the beginning of 693 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,039 the year. 694 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,799 >> That's an excellent question. Thank you for calling that out. So, so 695 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,240 with that there are specific 696 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,840 considerations if we were to take a 697 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,480 retroactive approach as opposed to say 698 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,720 um rating it different say pro you know 699 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,720 pro-rated cost living adjustment through 700 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,799 the end of this year. Um some of those 701 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,559 considerations do include that if staff 702 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,399 do receive a fairly large back pay sum 703 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,640 um then there there can be tax 704 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,159 implications for that. Oftentimes if we 705 00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:13,519 have staff in that situation they go 706 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,440 except for a pay period. There's some 707 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240 other considerations such as um uh 708 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,840 backay adjustments that we would need to 709 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,279 need need to make to Utah retirement 710 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,600 systems because of course those URS 711 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,760 adjust or those URS contributions are 712 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,559 based on salary and so if we are 713 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,840 retroactively adjusting salary um from 714 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,519 the beginning of the year to date then 715 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,039 we would also need to be making some of 716 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,799 those adjustments. So, it would um take 717 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,159 uh quite a bit of administrative work, 718 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:41,840 which is which is okay. And it would 719 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240 also mean that we would really need to 720 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,240 do a great job of communicating to the 721 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,240 staff exactly what those different 722 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,760 implications look like so that they can 723 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,399 make fully informed decisions. And then 724 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,880 one other note off that it'd also 725 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,279 probably be interesting or somewhat 726 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,880 difficult if we had employees that 727 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,320 previously worked for the county in the 728 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,240 last in the year and then maybe they departed or retired or whatever and 729 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,600 then calculating whether those 730 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240 individuals would get the the raise or 731 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,760 the back pay as well which might be 732 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,200 difficult. 733 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,519 >> Yes. And and what I would say is is my 734 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:14,960 response to that would be that we 735 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,760 wouldn't be able to to pay non-employees 736 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,159 essentially for that retractured amount. 737 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,480 um which is which is the case for for 738 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,919 you know any any situation. Um, but if 739 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:27,360 we were to, again, there are other 740 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,640 options that we could look at, whether 741 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440 it be that we um, they say subsidize 742 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,679 this with uh, and and I'm not saying 743 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,440 that any of these ideas are superior to 744 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,960 others, but just different ideas we've 745 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760 been kicking around. Um, is, you know, 746 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,559 anything from uh, one-time bonuses that 747 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:43,840 we come up with some type of 748 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,240 calculation. Um, whether it be that 749 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880 again, we do some type of 750 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,640 essentially supplemental cost of living 751 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,880 adjustment. The the caution that I would 752 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,559 have with that would be again what is 753 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,000 the feasibility of carrying that into 754 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320 2027. I wouldn't want to give staff say 755 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,880 a a 4% cost of living adjustment and 756 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,399 then say we have to take it down 757 00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,799 starting 2020 you know January 1 of 758 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,240 2027. Those would be really difficult um 759 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,000 you know situations for staff to figure 760 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,480 out how to to navigate budgetarily etc. 761 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,839 So I wouldn't want to put that burden on 762 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:16,560 them. Um but again we have a we have 763 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,240 different options and scenarios that we 764 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,399 can certainly u continue to explore 765 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:30,470 based on what the commission deans is. 766 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,119 » Yes. 767 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,040 >> Are we done with the cola discussion 768 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280 then or meaning like are you done with 769 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,639 your part of the 770 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:37,919 >> these were all of the scenarios that I 771 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:39,359 have ready to present for you all today. 772 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:41,679 So I just have a recommendation for the 773 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,359 chair and obviously you don't have to 774 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:44,879 take it but I'm just wondering if we 775 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:48,240 chip away at these one by one right now. 776 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,639 We discuss coal as we do a straw poll so 777 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,879 we make a decision. We've we've been 778 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:56,000 fairly budgeting is I think really hard 779 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,599 for all of us and we don't like to make 780 00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,200 decisions but I think we need to chip 781 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,800 away at this and and make some 782 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200 decisions. So that would be my 783 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,359 recommendation 784 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,280 and I'd make a recommendation on colas 785 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,839 right now. I'm I'm open to other 786 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:11,920 thoughts, but my own thought is is that 787 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,520 I'd like to get through the end of this 788 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,280 and see what we've got and then come 789 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,720 back and start making those 790 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,200 modifications once we've got a full 791 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800 picture of everything. I think it'll 792 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,000 help me at least. 793 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400 So, I 794 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,079 Yes, sir. I think getting through the 795 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,599 workshop and seeing where we're at. I 796 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,079 know this is going to be I know budget 797 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,079 talks are going to go into the next and 798 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,800 into decision- making. So I would I 799 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,200 would like to get through through our 800 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,839 workshop today into uh 801 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:48,480 how would you say this an action item or 802 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880 up to action items in the next next in 803 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,800 the future. 804 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,520 >> Go ahead Steve. 805 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,440 >> Sorry I I have one more fund fund 806 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,359 inquiry question. So some of these and 807 00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:58,960 not very many of these items are also 808 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,560 going to be funded some of them wouldn't 809 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,480 be funded out of the general fund like 810 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,320 TRT positions. 811 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,760 >> That's correct. Yes. And so we broke it 812 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,680 down by fund. So again, general fund, 813 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,839 office of tourism, rose, library, sand 814 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,200 flats, etc. Um, 815 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,560 >> let's raise that additional. 816 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520 >> Yep. Yep. Thank you. 817 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,640 >> Yes, Brian. 818 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560 >> And so we just have two more uh things 819 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,680 to consider, right? We have the 820 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,920 reclassifications and then the 821 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,240 contributions. 822 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,640 >> Um, for for my presentation, I just have 823 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040 the new positions and reclassifications 824 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040 and that's it. 825 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,320 >> Okay. But but can I have Yes. Go ahead. 826 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480 But 827 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,440 Leaving this workshop, Gabe, it'd be 828 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680 great if you had some decisions so that 829 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,079 you're ready for the public hearing with 830 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,480 the amended budget. Is that correct? We 831 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,599 need to make some decisions 832 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,079 >> if if you all want any additional 833 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,240 adjustments to the amendment that I 834 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:52,880 prepared. 835 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000 >> Okay, great. 836 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,165 >> Thank you. 837 00:36:59,165 --> 00:37:01,270 >> [clears throat] 838 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,839 » I'll go ahead and move into the new 839 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:15,349 position and reclassifications. 840 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:18,000 So, a few notes to first start off us 841 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,079 off just to set the scene for this. So, 842 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,040 estimated cost differences that are 843 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,240 being shown. Oh, I will do my very best. 844 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,680 I hopefully will. 845 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,040 >> Okay, there we go. Is that is that a 846 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,880 better everybody? Okay, wonderful. Thank 847 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,920 you. Um, thank you for that. So, these 848 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,599 estimated cost differences do not 849 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,000 include a proposed major cost of living 850 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,680 adjustment. And again, largely that's 851 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,119 because we are considering a number of 852 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,280 different or different scenarios have 853 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,240 been proposed. Um, and so just to keep 854 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,640 it simple, these are as our current 855 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640 grade and step chart is designed with no 856 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,720 cost of living. Those are the estimated 857 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,240 cost differences that are going to be 858 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,480 presented in this. The new 859 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,000 reclassification 860 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,599 requests that were made at the midyear 861 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,599 point have not been reviewed by the 862 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,359 commission administration's office or 863 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:05,200 the personnel services department for 864 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,079 recommendation. And so if the commission 865 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,560 deems that again it's prudent um 866 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280 appropriate feasible to move forward 867 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,440 with any new position or rec or excuse 868 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,359 me reclassifications 869 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:20,000 um then we can certainly put together a 870 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,920 list of recommendations based 871 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,680 um unapproved new position and 872 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,359 reclassification requests were brought 873 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,640 back from the 2026 budget season as had 874 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,599 been discussed um in budget season with 875 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,920 the exception of the MOAS Moab office of 876 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,400 tourism requests. So again um with our new director and the mob office of 877 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,240 tourism some of those departmental 878 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,560 restructures etc have have been handled 879 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,390 separately. So those are exclusive. 880 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,520 So the one new position request that is 881 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,000 being brought back is from the 2026 882 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,839 budget season. It was also presented 883 00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:03,280 during the 2020 budget season and that is for a full-time OSA maintenance 884 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000 technician. 885 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,880 And the justification for this request 886 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,400 has uh remained consistent and that is 887 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,560 that uh this is a 65 acre property that 888 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,640 they're often covering a 7-day work 889 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200 schedule. The event schedule has 890 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,079 continued um to to increase more and 891 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,720 more booked from from year to year. Um 892 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,560 on the note of of over time um with the 893 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,839 increase in compensatory time maximum 894 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:38,400 from 24 hours uh to 80 hours overtime 895 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,640 budget for OSA has been much more 896 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,560 managed. Um but it does mean that staff 897 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560 are more compensatory time meaning that 898 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,160 they need to take more time away from 899 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,640 the office meaning that uh we continue 900 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640 to to see a need for an additional 901 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:59,270 full-time employee at the arena. 902 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,720 Yes, Commissioner Mart. 903 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,160 >> Can I also add in I know you only have 904 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,520 the one position right there. I'd like 905 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839 to add in another request for an 906 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,400 economic development specialist at 907 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:16,710 part-time without benefits. 908 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,079 » Yes. and I can work with the commission 909 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:19,520 administration office on on the 910 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,390 specifics of that. Thank you. 911 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,720 » Um and so for the cost estimate through 912 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,119 the end of this current year, so again, 913 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,760 if this was granted midyear, um the 914 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,960 estimated cost difference would be 915 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,839 $40,659. 916 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,160 And as as um Commissioner Martinez spoke 917 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,760 to, it's also important for us to look 918 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,079 forward and ask the question, what does 919 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,400 this impact in future years and full 920 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,720 years? And so um we did put together the 921 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,480 2027 estimates. And so the 2027 um the 922 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,040 estimated cost total would be $96,430 923 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,760 for the um for the addition of this 924 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:09,430 full-time position. 925 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,240 Moving into reclassification requests. 926 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,319 I'll go through these one at a time. 927 00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,640 So the first reclassification request 928 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,920 was for elected officials and this is an 929 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,800 item that we do feel is important for us 930 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,240 to do as a county on an annual basis. Um 931 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,319 so elected officials are of course 932 00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:32,160 different um than our regular employees 933 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,319 who have access to our paper performance 934 00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:38,079 program which includes milestone and 935 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,240 exemplary increases. milestones are 936 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,400 tenure based raises and exemplary 937 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,880 increases are performance-based raises. 938 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,280 And so with that, it is uh important for 939 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440 us to continue to make sure that we are 940 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160 paying our electeds 941 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520 appropriate and and market rate wages so 942 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,440 that we continue to uh have really 943 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,400 qualified excellent folks being 944 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,160 interested in serving our community in 945 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,800 this capacity. So with that we use the 946 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,119 same methodology um that that has been 947 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,839 used in previous years which we look at 948 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:15,200 um first class Utah counties with the 949 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560 exception of county because they went a 950 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,400 quite a few years without without any 951 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,280 increases and looked at those counties 952 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,880 averages for each of the positions and 953 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440 compared them to ours. Um so if we were 954 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,240 to adopt all of basically these average 955 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,319 adjustments for our positions and as 956 00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:33,680 you'll see the elected positions that 957 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,160 are left off include um county attorney, 958 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,760 sheriff and commissioners. Those are 959 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,560 because those positions are at or above 960 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,640 the average um of the other counties 961 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,800 compensation and so that it was 962 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,720 appropriate to put to put them on the 963 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,839 list um in the 2026 budget season. But 964 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,040 if all of these adjustments were 965 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,960 adopted, it would uh for this year total 966 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,200 500 $5,240 967 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960 and for a full year it would be 968 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,400 calculated to 12,57 969 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:13,030 and compensation vendor elected. 970 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,040 Last reclassification request is another 971 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,119 one that has been brought back from the 972 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,560 2026 budget season and this is to 973 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,960 reclassify the part-time administrative 974 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,359 assistant position at our airport to 975 00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:29,040 full-time. The justification for that is 976 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,480 that billing has become much more 977 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,640 complex and as this team needs more 978 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,359 assistance working through leases etc. 979 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:40,400 um that moving the part-time to a 980 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,319 full-time position would increase the 981 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,800 capacity of the staff at Cany Lands 982 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520 Regional Airport. So for the cost 983 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,359 difference through 2026, that's 984 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:53,190 estimated to be $25,576 985 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,880 and the cost difference between for 2027 986 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560 in its entirety would be $60,200. 987 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,720 and and largely anytime we see a 988 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,880 part-time to full-time reclassification, 989 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,280 the vast majority of the cost difference 990 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,190 is based on benefits. 991 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,720 » What is the cost of that employee and 992 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,480 then in total 993 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,079 >> the full cost of the employee? 994 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:16,960 >> Yeah. 995 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,560 >> Um 996 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,839 I don't have that off the top of my 997 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:21,760 head, but for the majority of our 998 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,280 part-time positions in this range, um I 999 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,720 would estimate that right now it's about 1000 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:30,720 35,000. So it would go from uh so for 1001 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,800 their part-time 20 hours a week right 1002 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,040 now I I would estimate that it's 35 to 1003 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920 40 but I can get that that exact number 1004 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520 for you certainly. 1005 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,720 >> Okay. And and if um that is another 1006 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,920 number that the commission would like to 1007 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,319 see is current if if a position is 1008 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:52,480 currently filled the current annual uh 1009 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,319 amount for position and then the 1010 00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:57,839 adjustments I can I can adjust that for 1011 00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:58,800 our next meeting. 1012 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:07,349 >> Sure. 1013 00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,160 » Next request is a midyear request. So, 1014 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,720 it uh was not presented during the 2026 1015 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:15,920 budget season and that's because this 1016 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,599 was actually presented as a new position 1017 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,520 during the 2026 budget season and was 1018 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,440 approved by the commission and that is 1019 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,599 for the victim's advocate position in 1020 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,079 the Grand County Attorney's Office. So, 1021 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,200 as you all likely remember, ourou 1022 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,400 between Grand County and the city of 1023 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200 Moab, it was expiring and we do have an 1024 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,160 obligation to provide services. And so, 1025 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,880 with that, um, we determined that it was 1026 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,319 most appropriate for us to move forward 1027 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,319 with hiring our own victim advocate 1028 00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,079 under the Grand County Attorney's Office 1029 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,839 umbrella to serve Grand County 1030 00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:48,240 Attorney's Office, uh, Children's 1031 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,599 Justice Center, and the Grant County 1032 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,599 Sheriff's Office. So that part-time 1033 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,800 position was approved as of January 26 1034 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,119 and the reclassification request is for 1035 00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,119 this position to be reclassified from 1036 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,079 part-time to full-time. Um so with that 1037 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,960 the cost difference through 2026 would 1038 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,160 be $19,847 1039 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,240 and the cost difference for a full year 1040 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,839 and that being 207 is estimated to be 46 1041 00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:18,870 46,950. 1042 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,560 And I've got a couple questions. The 1043 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,400 same one that Commissioner Martinez had 1044 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,000 last time. It'd be nice to know what 1045 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,920 that total is going to be for the year. 1046 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,680 It'll help us with the 2027 budget. And 1047 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,280 then will this position be budgeted 1048 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,280 through three different departments 1049 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,040 considering that they're sharing it or 1050 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,839 will this all be coming out of the 1051 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:42,079 budget? 1052 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:43,760 >> Yeah, I can speak to that. Historically, 1053 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,920 the position was we had an agreement 1054 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,240 between the city and the county and we 1055 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,480 were all paying a portion of it. For 1056 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,000 whatever reason, at that time, we 1057 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,760 allocated funds from the CJC, the 1058 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,560 sheriff's department, my office to pay 1059 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,560 the three or the three different chunks 1060 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,280 of it to the city directly. Now, it 1061 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,640 should be eliminated from the sheriff's 1062 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,359 budget, from the CJC budget, unless 1063 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,000 there's a benefit to be able to utilize 1064 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,079 some of the CJC funds. the victim 1065 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:11,599 advocate certified to be able to work 1066 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,839 with children at this point. Um, and 1067 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,319 we're also applying for grants. We 1068 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:17,760 haven't received those. We haven't 1069 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,680 received those yet. They'll be submitted 1070 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,839 soon. If we do receive those grants, 1071 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,599 obviously we would reduce the cost to 1072 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,119 the county. Uh, but more than more than 1073 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:28,640 you ask for, 1074 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,079 >> a little bit, but it was my 1075 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,560 understanding that part of the reason 1076 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,560 for this going from part-time to 1077 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,280 full-time was because of the need at the 1078 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,920 sheriff's department. Correct. And what 1079 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,480 we've done is we've um we've focused on 1080 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,160 the court element of it, which is the 1081 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,599 major one of the major obligations. 1082 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,280 Right now, the victim advocate is 1083 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,960 working Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. 1084 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,280 Those are all court days. Um alternating 1085 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,960 Mondays are bail hearings. Tuesday is 1086 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,560 the district court day, and Wednesday 1087 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,319 the Wednesday is the justice court day. 1088 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,640 We do provide services. The difficulty 1089 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,720 is there's just not enough time in the 1090 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,040 day to provide the services uh that we 1091 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,960 have in the three in the three days that 1092 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920 we have. Um, we're utilizing because we 1093 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,440 didn't hire until later in the year, 1094 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,359 we're utilizing as much as we can of 1095 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:12,960 that budget, but not to exceed the 1096 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,359 amount that would be the threshold for 1097 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:18,319 that would trigger benefits. And so, we 1098 00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:19,520 want to expand the amount of work that 1099 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,440 the victim advocate is doing, but we're 1100 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440 simply we simply just don't have enough 1101 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,040 time to be able to address all of those 1102 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,280 things in in the limited time that we 1103 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,079 have per week. and all good information, 1104 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,079 but I guess I'm still not seeing it. If 1105 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,760 we were paying from three different 1106 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400 departments to the city, why wouldn't we 1107 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,040 then continue to split that position 1108 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,079 into three different departments or the sheriff and the CJC won't be using 1109 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:47,839 that position? It's going to be fully 1110 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:49,760 underutil. They will they will be 1111 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,200 utilizing the position. I mean, it's 1112 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,800 ultimately coming coming out of the same 1113 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,880 source. The only the only the only 1114 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,240 nuance though 1115 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,920 >> is there are grant fundings that come 1116 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000 into the CJC and there may be some 1117 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,680 grants and funding that comes to the 1118 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,520 sheriff's office. That might be the only 1119 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,359 reason that we might want to put some of 1120 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:07,760 that expense in the CJC line item. Uh 1121 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,200 but they have strict requirements for 1122 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,960 the CJC that they have to be working uh 1123 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,720 with the children. Uh the vict victim 1124 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,440 advocate is is here uh and and she had 1125 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,760 to take classes to be able to be able to 1126 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,599 provide those services to the CJC folks. 1127 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:20,960 So, if there's a way that we can 1128 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,880 structure it to utilize the most amount 1129 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,119 of grant funding that we possibly can, 1130 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:26,960 of course, we'd like to do that. And and 1131 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,480 when we get closer to budgeting time, 1132 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,000 we'll we'll be discussing with our 1133 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,839 partners on how how to do that. And 1134 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:34,720 again, we are um we are drafting a grant 1135 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,559 application as we speak. And I think 1136 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,599 that goes in beginning of August. 1137 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,079 >> And I wasn't trying to imply that I'm 1138 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,400 against this request. I'm just curious 1139 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,559 if it was divided between three 1140 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,880 previously. My question was why wouldn't 1141 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960 we be doing the same moving forward. So 1142 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640 yes, Commissioner, you add it correctly. 1143 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,000 >> Please keep me apprised of the grant 1144 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,440 application process. 1145 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,760 >> I want to see if they go through. 1146 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,599 >> Okay. Yes, Commissioner Hadler. 1147 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,520 >> Are are we in danger of not meeting our 1148 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,800 obligations if we don't approve this 1149 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,720 position? Is it is it a situation where 1150 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,079 they 1151 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,119 >> We do absolutely uh as much as we can. 1152 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,440 Sometimes we have short timelines for 1153 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,119 turnarounds. What we're doing is we're 1154 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,640 allocating the time Monday, Tuesday, and 1155 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,000 Wednesday because those are all court 1156 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400 days. If there's a victim that needs 1157 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,880 assistance right now on like a Friday or 1158 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,119 on the weekend, what we'd hope to have 1159 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,119 the victim advocate uh be able to have 1160 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,359 calls. If there's a serious a really serious incident, 1161 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,599 sorry, but like a serious rape or a 1162 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,599 murder or a stabbing or something that's 1163 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,680 very graphic, the goal would be to call 1164 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,000 myself, have me go out with the victim 1165 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,760 advocate on the scene. That's how the 1166 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,000 MOP PD does it. Uh do I think we're 1167 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,599 being deficient with our services that 1168 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,160 we're pro providing the victims? No. Um, 1169 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,680 do I think we could do better? Yes, of 1170 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,359 course. And so having an additional 1171 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,200 amount of time uh that the victim 1172 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,119 advocate is allowed to be able to be on 1173 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,599 the clock uh that would be very helpful. 1174 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,599 Right now we stay away from uh 1175 00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,760 triggering the need for benefits and we 1176 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,480 don't pay um any overtime, but I don't 1177 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,520 think we're deficient. 1178 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,640 >> Okay. Uh 1179 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,119 >> thank you. Thank you 1180 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,680 >> all. Great conversation. 1181 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,240 All right. Excellent. This next request 1182 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,079 completion request is another request 1183 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,559 that uh came in at the midyear point. Um 1184 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:19,760 so this is the first time that the 1185 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,720 commission has seen it and that is in 1186 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,200 the IT department. The request is to 1187 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,160 reclassify the GIS specialist to GIS 1188 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,000 administrator 1189 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,680 um reclassifying this position from a 1190 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,000 grade 12 to a grade 13. Uh the 1191 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,160 justification for this is that the GIS 1192 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,280 role at the county has expanded um 1193 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,839 providing services to other departments. 1194 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:43,520 for instance, working closely with the 1195 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,880 emergency management uh emergency 1196 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,000 management director, planning and 1197 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,400 zoning, etc. Um, and with that expansion 1198 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,440 of responsibility, duties, etc. Um, 1199 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,079 comes that the request for a one grade 1200 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,079 adjustment. The cost difference through 1201 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:03,520 2026 would amount to $1,817 1202 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,839 and the cost difference in 2027 would 1203 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:13,546 amount to $4,423. 1204 00:52:13,556 --> 00:52:18,549 » [clears throat] 1205 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,440 » And this next reclassification request 1206 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,200 is within the commission administration 1207 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,960 office and it is for the economic 1208 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,400 development and public relations 1209 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,960 coordinator. Reclassify this position to 1210 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,359 the economic development director. Um 1211 00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,839 going from a grade 11 to a grade 14 and 1212 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:38,160 going from hourly to exempt. Um and so 1213 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,119 with exempt that um that would that 1214 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,480 adjustment would happen both because of 1215 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,720 the compensation increase as well as the 1216 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,400 increase in job duties, 1217 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,800 responsibilities. Um so it would be both 1218 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,480 a compensatory as well as the 1219 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,400 essentially the type of job that that it 1220 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,520 would become and and reclassification to 1221 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,119 exempt status would be most appropriate 1222 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,960 based on how we have our other positions 1223 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,480 classified. Um the justification for 1224 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,079 this is this position was established 1225 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,680 approximately one year ago. So it had 1226 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,800 been 2025. Um the position's workload 1227 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,920 and level of responsibility has 1228 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,440 surpassed what it it was originally um 1229 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,440 written for and designed for for the job 1230 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,920 description. And with this position 1231 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,079 frequently uh requiring compensatory 1232 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,280 time and overtime, this right 1233 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,000 classification uh would would have a a 1234 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,800 fairly netneutral budget adjustment um 1235 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,640 with it. But with that being said, in 1236 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,559 terms of because overtime is its own 1237 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,160 budget line item that is separate from 1238 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,440 salary and benefits, the total personnel 1239 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,040 um cost difference with salary and 1240 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,760 benefits for the rest of this year would 1241 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,079 be 7,660 1242 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,319 more dollars. And then in 2027 is 1243 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:53,510 estimated to be $16,680. 1244 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,520 » And I think it goes without saying on 1245 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,280 all of them now moving forward, you'll 1246 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,040 have us what that total number would be 1247 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,160 for that position. Absolutely. 1248 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,790 >> Thank you. 1249 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:06,960 This 1250 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,079 >> next reclassification request is uh in 1251 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,319 the planning and zoning department and 1252 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,280 the request is to classify the planning 1253 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,920 and zoning director to the community 1254 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,079 development director. A caveat with this 1255 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,319 is that this reclassification also would 1256 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,800 involve an organizational restructure 1257 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,640 from having a separate planning and 1258 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,040 zoning department and building 1259 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,760 department to combining these offices 1260 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,119 under one which would then be renamed 1261 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:39,200 the community development department. Um 1262 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,800 and the justification provided for this 1263 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,200 is again the consolidation of these two 1264 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,359 separate departments under one. Um and 1265 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,359 this were this reclass or with this 1266 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:54,079 restructure subsequent A3 staff levels 1267 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,160 oversight responsibilities would include 1268 00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,079 a wage increase. Um and that requested 1269 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,920 increase would be from a grade 20 to a 1270 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,559 grade 24. Uh the cost difference through 1271 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,240 2026 would amount to $7,828 1272 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880 and the cost difference for 2027 would 1273 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:21,990 amount to $18,5. 1274 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,880 This next reclassification request is um 1275 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,079 also tied to a back bill request that is 1276 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,319 on the consent agenda for this evening. 1277 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,960 Currently in the Grand County Jail, we 1278 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,280 do have budgeted two part-time jail 1279 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,960 nurses. So for the Grand County Jail, we 1280 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,599 are required, we're mandated to provide 1281 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,400 medical services to housed inmates. 1282 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,440 Currently, part of how we uh meet this 1283 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,680 mandate is by having part-time a 1284 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,920 part-time jail nurse on staff. um 1285 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,079 anytime our jail nurse is unavailable 1286 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,720 then the way that we provide this 1287 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,680 require you know provide um health care 1288 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,559 is through Mo regional hospital so for 1289 00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,319 transporting inmates to the local 1290 00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:08,720 hospital um so for this request it is to 1291 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,559 instead of having the two part-time 1292 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,280 positions to reclassify it into one 1293 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,440 full-time general nurse position to have 1294 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,680 on staff with us 40 hours a week 1295 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,640 to the justification for This includes 1296 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,400 um reduced liability, providing more 1297 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,680 educational opportunities for our staff. 1298 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,160 >> Question. 1299 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,280 >> Happy to answer your question. 1300 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480 >> Isn't this this is from mitigation 1301 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,799 funds? Is this or is this from general 1302 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,240 funds? 1303 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,119 >> Um so I I did put it under general fund, 1304 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,119 but mitigation does go to the Grant 1305 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:44,559 County Sheriff's Office. So, so 1306 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,480 dependent on our our mitigation 1307 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,160 amount then it would thank you for 1308 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,960 >> and my question would be if we have two 1309 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,799 part-times and we're going to one 1310 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:02,000 full-time those numbers are 1311 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:02,480 >> great 1312 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,480 >> two parttime where only costing is 1313 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,000 33,000. 1314 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000 So, one of those part-time positions is 1315 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,839 actually vacant, and part of that is 1316 00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:11,440 because it's been difficult to recruit 1317 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,920 for part-time. Um and so this this does 1318 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,680 combine the two very part-time um 1319 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,480 positions into one in that additional 1320 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,119 increase of so so yes the the shorter 1321 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,880 answer is yes these numbers do reflect 1322 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,280 if we were to combine the total hours 1323 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,960 that we currently do have set aside and 1324 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,680 budgeted for our two part-time positions 1325 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,079 although we only have the one currently 1326 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:37,760 uh occupied. 1327 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,760 >> Okay. And another question would be then 1328 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,079 do you see filling that position with 1329 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:46,880 the existing employee that the same 1330 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,720 employee is going to go from part-time 1331 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,599 to full and I see the head in the back 1332 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:55,670 shaking in the back. 1333 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,440 » You're welcome to join us on this. 1334 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,160 >> I was like join us on this issue. Yeah. 1335 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,079 >> You're welcome to come up if you'd like. 1336 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,880 >> Yeah. 1337 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,640 Um, no. That's one of the reasons why 1338 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,480 it's on the back wheel is because our 1339 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,280 current registered nurse is found a 1340 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,119 different part-time job. So, she is 1341 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,640 going to leave. She's going to hang out 1342 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,440 for another month or so to help us with 1343 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,000 trying to find somebody else. But when I 1344 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,760 brought this to test, she said we had to 1345 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,359 put it on the back field. My intentions 1346 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,200 though this year was to try and request 1347 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,040 or create a full-time position. So, the 1348 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,839 idea was is might as well just ask for a 1349 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:31,520 full-time position instead of trying to 1350 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,280 fill a part-time position just to change 1351 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,960 it to a full-time position maybe 1352 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,760 possibly this fall or winter and then I 1353 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,440 lose that person because that's what 1354 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,319 we've been running it to is 1355 00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:43,440 the people that are looking for 1356 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,280 part-time are happy where they're at 1357 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,240 working at hospital per se. Um, so 1358 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,760 they're they don't want fulltime. That's 1359 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,240 what I've kind of ran into. So, the idea 1360 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,920 would be to create full-time position to 1361 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,920 where I don't have to sit here like 1362 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,040 they're applying for a full-time 1363 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,160 position, but I'm afraid that if we hire 1364 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640 another person for a part-time position, 1365 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,040 they're not they may like the job they 1366 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,720 have that they're already doing. This is 1367 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,440 just side. So, the idea is to create a 1368 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,520 full-time position that they're applying 1369 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,000 and they're going to be here long term. 1370 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,160 >> Then my one other question would be Oh, 1371 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,680 go ahead. You're okay. Um 1372 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,720 >> you're answering all my question. 1373 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,920 >> So this is mandated position is this I 1374 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,720 mean we're required to we're required to 1375 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,960 provide medical right um the part the 1376 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,640 bare minimum to house state inmates. 1377 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,720 We're required that's the part-time part 1378 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,640 is we're required that minimum standard 1379 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,440 which was what we had with our current 1380 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,920 three times a week couple hours a day 1381 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,520 for that. [clears throat] That's the 1382 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,839 bare minimum. Um, we've been trying to 1383 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:48,160 seek more because right now, like a lot 1384 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,559 of rural jails that don't have full-time 1385 00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,960 medical, when I don't have the nurse 1386 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,480 available, we do pill pass. I that puts 1387 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,079 it all the liability off my staff to do 1388 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,079 medication for the sending their 1389 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,000 medication, which we're allowed to do. 1390 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,599 It's per, you know, I've looked into it. 1391 01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,079 It's perfectly legal. It's just you're 1392 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,920 taking on a lot of liability. It's 1393 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,079 accounting for medical staff. They had 1394 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,960 no medication. uh my opinion and I 1395 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,319 imagine a lot of other opinions um and I 1396 01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,480 just we really need full time 1397 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,720 >> my my question was just pointed is was 1398 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,799 this an unfunded mandate from the state 1399 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,680 or something or my curiosity was so 1400 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,799 >> so no it's it's we're not yeah it's not 1401 01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:32,960 mandated I should say other housing 1402 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,799 state inmates so but yeah we're required 1403 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,200 to provide medical for the inmates 1404 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,839 general so it's either we have a nurse 1405 01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:43,839 on staff or I have to take them to the 1406 01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,319 hospital all the time. This is what we 1407 01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:49,839 did before before we have the part time. 1408 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:53,190 >> Thank you. 1409 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,000 » And general questions to you. This this 1410 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,200 will give you the ability to a full-time 1411 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,799 position gives you the ability to hire 1412 01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:02,319 better is in the end. 1413 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:03,280 >> I would hope so. Is that what you're 1414 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:03,760 looking for? 1415 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,760 >> Yes, I would hope so. 1416 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,920 >> The intent is to have more longevity out 1417 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,000 of the position. 1418 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,720 Because again, part as somebody makes 1419 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,880 more money over there that full time, 1420 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,400 losing time, they don't want to have 1421 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640 second jobs. So, they end up dropping 1422 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,160 out. That's what happened to the last 1423 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,400 >> Yeah. 1424 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,960 >> RN we had before that. It's just 1425 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,480 >> they made more money at their current 1426 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,599 position. So, they didn't need the 1427 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,119 part-time income anymore and then they 1428 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:28,640 left. Then, we were lucky enough to get 1429 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,079 the nurse that we currently have, but 1430 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,160 >> same same situation. 1431 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:34,960 >> Thank you. [clears throat] 1432 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,760 >> Thank you. Anyone else? All right. Yes, 1433 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,559 you can move on. Thank you. Thank you, 1434 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,640 sir. 1435 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,240 >> All right. Thank you all very much. This 1436 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,359 is the last reclassification request 1437 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,440 that I have to present to you all today. 1438 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,920 And this is under Sand Flats Recreation 1439 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,520 Area. This is a request to reclassify 1440 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,760 one of their recreation technician 1441 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,000 positions to a lead recreation 1442 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,400 technician position. The lead recreation 1443 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,359 tech position did previously exist. um 1444 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:06,960 they went away from it a number of years 1445 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,559 ago, but this reclass request would 1446 01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:14,640 include the addition of uh some 1447 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,720 increased supervisory responsibilities, 1448 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,400 oversight duties, coordination of 1449 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,119 projects, etc. It would come with a two 1450 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,880 grade adjustment from a grade seven to a 1451 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,200 grade nine. This position is seasonal. 1452 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,280 It would remain seasonal. It's simply 1453 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,000 that the job title and subsequent 1454 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,960 responsibilities would increase. Um and 1455 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,160 so that cost difference through 2026 is 1456 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,480 estimated to be 1,715 1457 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,829 and through 2027 would be 8,1 1458 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:47,040 » same as same as the last one. Uh is this 1459 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,119 directed at general fund or 1460 01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,920 >> Slats is an enterprise fund so they're 1461 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,400 separate from us and um I have been 1462 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,319 working with Andrea Bran Sandflat's 1463 01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:59,040 director um she has confirmed that based 1464 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,880 on where they are revenue wise they're 1465 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,960 under budget and over protection 1466 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,040 forever. So this is not a concern 1467 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,599 related to the budget for6. 1468 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,720 >> Thank you. Thank you. Yes, Trish. Oh 1469 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,359 sorry I thought you raised your All 1470 01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:15,920 right. We have anything else? 1471 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,520 >> That is all that I have for you all this 1472 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,200 evening. Unless you have any questions 1473 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,400 for 1474 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,599 >> anybody questions for Tess. 1475 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,920 All right, with that I will end this 1476 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,520 workshop at 502 and I'm going to 1477 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,359 recommend we take a fivem minute break 1478 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:35,039 and we will resume somewhere around 507 1479 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:38,160 with the regular meeting. Um, we want to 1480 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,280 just go real quick and get give the 1481 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,400 clerk. 1482 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,640 >> Are you talking through this here or the 1483 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,839 >> Yeah, through this. We come back 1484 01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:51,119 shop or we 1485 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:52,319 >> um Yes, Trish. 1486 01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:53,760 >> I think Jacqu was first. 1487 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,359 >> It doesn't matter. Yes, Trish. 1488 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,599 >> I five is citizens to be heard now. Is 1489 01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:58,319 that correct? 1490 01:03:58,319 --> 01:03:59,039 >> No, six. 1491 01:03:59,039 --> 01:03:59,359 >> No. 1492 01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:01,039 >> Oh, I thought it was five. 1493 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,400 >> I thought it was five at approximately 5 1494 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:05,039 p.m. 1495 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:06,880 >> Okay. 1496 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,240 I've thought and I do think we should I 1497 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,839 agree, Brian. I think it'd be great to 1498 01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:13,599 come back and make some decisions so 1499 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,039 that these guys could 1500 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,839 >> if it's just a quick I'm doing it right 1501 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,520 now and we can break afterwards and 1502 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:20,240 start our meeting. 1503 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:20,799 >> Okay. 1504 01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,440 >> Yeah. 1505 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,520 One more. Did we want to talk about 1506 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,400 >> one more? 1507 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,640 >> The that was the uh the distributions 1508 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,559 based on the mitigation that we had 1509 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,079 discussed during budget season last 1510 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:35,760 year. There's there's entities. I think 1511 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,440 there's an email that went out earlier 1512 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,039 um like the museum solid waste. There's 1513 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,559 a few others. SSD wreck SSD, I'm sorry. 1514 01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,359 >> I'm open to discuss if we want to. 1515 01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:51,680 >> Another another option I was thinking is perhaps another hour workshop 1516 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,640 sometime next week. Um I know that's 1517 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,240 it's it's soon, but I would certain I 1518 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,520 think I think these are important issues 1519 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,039 and and 1520 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:02,160 >> thumbs up for me. happy to go that way 1521 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:07,990 than making quick decisions right now. 1522 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,799 » Sorry, Gabe. 1523 01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:10,559 >> Would that work for you? 1524 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:17,270 >> Yeah, that works for me. Um, you know, I think 1525 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,359 um so I created this sheet real quick 1526 01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,000 that summarizes these um these budget 1527 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,520 allocation reductions that were made to 1528 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,200 outside entities just to speak to what 1529 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,520 was referenced before. Um, but you know, 1530 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,720 I just I just want to remind the 1531 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,680 commission that we um we started the 1532 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,280 year with a budget uh a budgeted draw 1533 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,920 from the fund balance of 345,000. 1534 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,839 I feel like this amendment firms up a 1535 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,319 lot of the expenses. Um, you know, and 1536 01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:44,480 largely the revenue projections are are 1537 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,000 our best guess and I I think that 1538 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,079 they're, you know, pretty solid, but you 1539 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:49,680 know, currently we still have a draw 1540 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,520 from the fund balance to balance the 1541 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,839 budget. So, I guess I would just say as 1542 01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,839 far as f you know, decision- making as 1543 01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,920 we go going forward with the current 1544 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,480 position that we're at, I I you know, it 1545 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,559 wouldn't my office I guess I'll just go 1546 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,000 out and say that my office wouldn't 1547 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,160 recommend adding any additional general 1548 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,720 fund expenses to this budget. Um, you 1549 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,880 know, certainly you you might you know, 1550 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,960 you might make an argument to to enter 1551 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,559 in adjustments as as um as you see fit. 1552 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,559 Um and certainly revenues after a few 1553 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,160 more months we could continue to see 1554 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,240 strong revenues and and that position 1555 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,559 could start go you know going becoming 1556 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,160 positive as it relates to that 1557 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,000 situation. Um but I guess we just I I 1558 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,599 think any decision right you know 1559 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:33,039 correct me if I'm wrong but it seems 1560 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,440 like most decisions 1561 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,559 you in a vacuum you know would involve 1562 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,720 adding general fund expenses when when 1563 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,559 our budget position is still in the red. 1564 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:44,160 So I just wanted to kind of point that 1565 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,160 out. Not saying they can't be made, but 1566 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:47,599 yeah, 1567 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,079 >> my suggestion would be to the two 1568 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:51,839 entities, and I'm just throwing that out 1569 01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:54,160 there. We can push this off to the third 1570 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,760 quarter. I do believe that they've 1571 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,440 received larger than 50% talking about 1572 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,599 the museum and solid waste. 1573 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,680 >> You there's also wreck SSD. I'm sorry. 1574 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,280 Yeah, there's there's a list. There's I 1575 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:08,319 think 5% 1576 01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:10,000 >> 75%. 1577 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,760 >> Yeah. So I I would say that we postpone 1578 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,760 that decision of adding that money at 1579 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,760 this point based off of what the clerk 1580 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,839 auditor is suggesting. Mayor Trish, go 1581 01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:20,720 ahead. 1582 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,760 >> Do these entities know that they won't 1583 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,359 if if [clears throat] they're not 1584 01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:27,200 getting their full aotment, have they 1585 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,359 been notified of that? So if they don't 1586 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:32,720 get their Q4 aotment, do they know that 1587 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,400 that's going to be the case? 1588 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,319 >> Most of their liaison are in the room 1589 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:37,280 with us, so they should 1590 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,480 >> I'm just I'm just making sure. 1591 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,880 Well, I mean, if we'd like to have the 1592 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,520 clerk auditor or something, then let's 1593 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,599 >> staff here can more than let them know, 1594 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,000 but I I know the museum's present. I 1595 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,799 know Mary's with SSD. Um, 1596 01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:53,760 >> I'm Rick. 1597 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,200 >> Rick. [clears throat] 1598 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,319 >> So, 1599 01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:59,839 >> yes. Go ahead, Mary. 1600 01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:02,319 I just want to So what you're suggesting 1601 01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,480 is that 1602 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,839 we uh hold off on deciding whether or 1603 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:10,720 not we go to the 75%. 1604 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,920 >> We are at 75. 1605 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,440 >> So go to the 100%. 1606 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,440 >> Go to the 100% and look at our 1607 01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,199 >> 100% 1608 01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:23,679 uh after we see revenues from the TRT 1609 01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:25,199 and 1610 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,440 the end of our third quarter. What's 1611 01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:28,960 that? 1612 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,159 That's at the end of September. 1613 01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:33,440 >> Yes. Commissioner Martinez, 1614 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:39,120 >> can I just make a suggestion that we uh uh just hold off on all the 1615 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,640 decision- making just for a second. 1616 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,880 Let's set up a budget uh workshop 1617 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,582 sometime in the next week because it 1618 01:08:44,582 --> 01:08:48,000 [laughter] it appears that we have some deeper conversations that we need 1619 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,759 to have and let's just make sure that we 1620 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:50,719 have time for that. 1621 01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:53,520 >> I would agree. I agree, Brad. 1622 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,679 >> Do we want to look at schedules now? 1623 01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:56,000 Sure. 1624 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,189 >> Sure. 1625 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,279 I'm even be by the end of this week. You 1626 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,920 know, 1627 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,839 >> is it I'm gone this week, but is a 1628 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:07,199 Tuesday, 1629 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,880 >> Monday, Tuesday is always good for me? 1630 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,199 >> Sure. Can I ask just a bald question? 1631 01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,199 >> Sure. It's it's my understanding that 1632 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:16,719 the payments that they've received, they 1633 01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,239 received full payments for quarter 1, 1634 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,080 quarter two, quarter three. When is the 1635 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,719 normal date that they would receive the 1636 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:24,880 quarter four payment? 1637 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,880 I'm just getting quarter three payments 1638 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,640 now. 1639 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,120 Um, so that would put us, you know, like 1640 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,520 it would be September, but certainly, 1641 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,440 yeah, at that's when those invoices 1642 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:37,440 would start rolling in. It was easy to 1643 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,279 hold them and not pay them obviously in 1644 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,239 lie of 1645 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:41,440 >> pending decisions. 1646 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,520 >> I've got time Thursday or Friday of this 1647 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,759 week. Just as a shortcut, I already 1648 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,560 relayed to rec SSD that August was the 1649 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,400 expected uh expected uh timeline on that 1650 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,719 just to prior comparatively speaking to 1651 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,239 prior year. 1652 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,640 >> I just can I suggest two dates with 1653 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,199 Monday a Monday or a Tuesday? 1654 01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:05,270 >> Monday or Tuesday? 1655 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,560 » Monday's good for me. 1656 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,000 >> I'm good Monday also. Uh, anytime after 1657 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,239 10. 1658 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,669 >> Chair 1659 01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:20,560 Melody, what's your Monday look like? 1660 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,920 >> I don't know. You guys need to use your 1661 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,360 microphone so I can hear you though 1662 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,560 because I can't hear most of you. 1663 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,239 >> Sorry, Melody. Uh, we're looking at uh 1664 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,000 setting up a budget workshop next week 1665 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,880 after and the dates proposed are either 1666 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,040 Monday or Tuesday and it looks like most 1667 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,040 of us can attend on Monday if that works 1668 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,239 for you. 1669 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:41,520 What [clears throat] time are we talking 1670 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,840 about? 1671 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:49,750 >> I can do Monday after 2 o'clock. 1672 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,760 » I think that works for most of us. Does 1673 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,440 that anybody have a problem with that 1674 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:53,760 time? 1675 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,400 >> Helps me. 1676 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,560 >> Does that work for you, Gabe? 1677 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,199 >> I'm going to be traveling, but I can 1678 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:00,320 definitely call in. 1679 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,440 >> Okay, I think so. 1680 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:06,640 >> We want to set Monday at 2 o'clock. 1681 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:14,390 >> Okay. 1682 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,199 All right, you guys. 1683 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:17,840 >> Thank you. 1684 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,640 >> So, and and the goal in that workshop 1685 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,199 will be to 1686 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,880 uh look closer at each I'm sorry, Melody 1687 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,719 here, I'm leaning back. I'm sure you 1688 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,000 couldn't hear me. Uh so the goal for 1689 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,600 that uh workshop would be to go through 1690 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,800 each of the requested 1691 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,400 uh 1692 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,640 classifications and added uh positions 1693 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,199 and determine whether or not that is 1694 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,679 something we feel we can afford and to 1695 01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:52,080 look at colas. Is that what our goal is 1696 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,480 going to be? What's the goal? I want to 1697 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:55,840 know what the goal is. 1698 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:56,719 >> Dr. Martinez, 1699 01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:58,880 >> I think that uh Commissioner Man, our 1700 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,440 goal is to go through these and make 1701 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,360 sure that we provide uh uh the clinical 1702 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,520 auditor with the clarification so that 1703 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,320 he can present us uh um a budget for the 1704 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,480 public hearing um that following 1705 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:11,360 meeting. 1706 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,199 >> So, we'll be looking at So, we'll be 1707 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:16,000 looking at the positions and we'll be 1708 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,080 talking and the contributions 1709 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,080 look at the three convents up thumbs 1710 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,080 down and go from there. 1711 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,000 >> Sounds great. Good. 1712 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,480 >> All right, we're all good. Okay, once 1713 01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:31,520 again, I will close this meeting at 511 1714 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,679 the workshop and we will be back here in 1715 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:35,840 five minutes to proceed with the regular 1716 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,080 meeting. 1717 01:12:38,080 --> 01:18:53,110 >> Thank you for the break. 1718 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,679 Okay, with that I will start the regular 1719 01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:58,560 commission meeting tonight at 517. Those 1720 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,000 present are the same that were here for 1721 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,960 the workshop minus the clerk auditor it 1722 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,600 looks like. And so we will start off 1723 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,990 with the pledge of allegiance. 1724 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,640 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 1725 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:17,270 United States of Americans 1726 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,800 one nation under God indivisible with 1727 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:29,110 liberty and justice for all. 1728 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,840 » We will start off with our public 1729 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,400 comment period and I will ask for folks 1730 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,840 to come up. Please introduce yourself 1731 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,000 and we have a timer that will be set. 1732 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,920 you'll be able to see when it starts 1733 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,760 flashing. You'll know that your time is 1734 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,360 getting close up and then I think it 1735 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,640 goes red when it's final. And please, as 1736 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,440 always, let's um keep a level of decorum 1737 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,960 as we proceed with these meetings. 1738 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,960 And so, let's begin. Who would like to 1739 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,280 come up first? 1740 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:07,030 Yes, please. 1741 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,840 Bubble Brian Cash Valley. It'll be short 1742 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,400 and sweet, of course. Uh I just want to 1743 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,800 be sure that uh it's understood that the 1744 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,440 water and preservation element may 1745 01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,880 include a variety of topics that concern 1746 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,239 water besides the topic of water demand. 1747 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,880 I will provide a few quotes from the 1748 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,480 state code that required counties to add 1749 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,400 this element to their general plans. 1750 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,520 That state code is 17-40 1751 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,840 uh 79-43. 1752 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,840 And I'm going to read from section 1753 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,360 three. 1754 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,640 The proposed general plan may include, 1755 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,480 this is out of the plan that did the 1756 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:48,960 element, uh, an environmental element 1757 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,679 that addresses to the extent not covered 1758 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:53,520 by the county's resource management 1759 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,440 plan, the protection and conservation. 1760 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,080 Uh, and then it lists a lot of things 1761 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,360 like air, forest, but I'm interested in 1762 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,880 groundwater 1763 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,360 and other waters. It goes on to ne 1764 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,920 another section but still section three 1765 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,920 under I I the regulations of the land 1766 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,280 use on hillsides streams channels and 1767 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,320 environmentally sensitive areas. Another 1768 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,280 place that you can actually apply this 1769 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,640 in D the preservation and enhancement of 1770 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:35,199 watersheds and wetlands. I would say it allows you to protect our two soul 1771 01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:38,640 source aquifers and any other element 1772 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,600 that the county considers appropriate. 1773 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,159 So whatever you decide to do with regard 1774 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,280 to changes in the proposed water use and 1775 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,400 preservation element, it is likely to be 1776 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,360 explicitly include included in the 1777 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,560 proposed general ma uh general plan may 1778 01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,000 include according to the state code 1779 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,030 17-79-43. 1780 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,880 I want to thank you for allowing us to 1781 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,000 speak. Thank you. 1782 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,080 Next. 1783 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,960 Yes. Um, ma'am, then we'll go with you, 1784 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,481 Mr. Gross. 1785 01:22:15,481 --> 01:22:22,629 [clears throat] 1786 01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,880 » Good evening. I'm Dale Weiss with the 1787 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,679 Grand Water and Sewer Service Agency. 1788 01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:30,000 I'm speaking on behalf of the Grand 1789 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,440 Water and Sewer Sandwater and Sewer 1790 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:37,120 Service Agency today. Uh recent public 1791 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,199 comments have raised questions about 1792 01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:41,600 WISA's expertise, governance, and the 1793 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,679 decisions we make regarding our 1794 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:46,400 community's water resources. Rather than 1795 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,719 respond to individual criticisms, I 1796 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:50,320 would like to provide some important 1797 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,040 context. Grand Water and Sewer Service 1798 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,520 Agency was created by Grant County to 1799 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,159 serve as a steward of our local water 1800 01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:00,480 resources. Our board is not 1801 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,639 self-appointed. It is made up of 1802 01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:04,400 representatives from three public 1803 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,800 entities whose members are elected 1804 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,600 appointed by the grand county commission 1805 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,920 appointed by the city of Moab or 1806 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,440 appointed by the governor of Utah 1807 01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,760 through established public processes. 1808 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,520 This structure was intentionally 1809 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,920 designed to bring together the region's 1810 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,560 water expertise under one governing 1811 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,239 body. 1812 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,480 Collectively, our board and staff 1813 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,800 represent decades of experience in water 1814 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,159 rights, engineering, utility operations, 1815 01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:35,040 infrastructure planning, conservation, 1816 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,360 public administration, and regulatory 1817 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,159 compliance. More importantly, Gwissa 1818 01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,639 itself has more than a century of 1819 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:45,040 accumulated operational experience and 1820 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,239 water management. Every decision we make 1821 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:50,560 is governed is guided by public 1822 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,920 stewardship, regulatory compliance, and 1823 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,400 the long-term sustainability of our 1824 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,120 water supplies. Our policies are based 1825 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,480 on facts, operational data, engineering 1826 01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,480 analysis, and the requirements 1827 01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,800 established by our board, the state of 1828 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,000 Utah, and federal regulatory agencies. 1829 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,320 We continuously monitor our groundwater 1830 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,239 wells, aquifers, storage, res 1831 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:17,199 reservoirs, and water demand. We review 1832 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,040 scientific research and planning 1833 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,760 documents, but we also rely on decades 1834 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,000 of local data and operational 1835 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,199 experience. That information guides our 1836 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,920 actions. When conditions require it, we 1837 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,239 act. This year, we implemented water 1838 01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:33,760 restrictions because of drought 1839 01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,760 conditions for surface water. We have 1840 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,239 adopted tier tiered water rates to 1841 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,400 encourage conservation. At the same 1842 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,800 time, we continue evaluating long-term 1843 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,120 projects that will strengthen our 1844 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,920 region's water future, including 1845 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,880 responsible development of our existing 1846 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,560 unutilized water rights. Healthy public 1847 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,120 discussion is important and differing 1848 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,840 opinions are a valuable good part of 1849 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,320 good government. But water policy should 1850 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,520 be grounded in sound science, reliable 1851 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,679 data, and the experience of those who 1852 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,280 have been entrusted by the public to 1853 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,320 manage these critical resources. WISA 1854 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,800 remains committed to re working 1855 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,199 collaboratively with Grant County, the 1856 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,840 city of Moab, our partner agencies, and 1857 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,000 the public to ensure a reliable and 1858 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,400 sustainable water future for generations 1859 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,600 to come. Thank you. 1860 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,000 Uh, I'm going to hand a letter to 1861 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,719 someone uh that is written by Grand 1862 01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:34,000 Water and Sewer Administrator 1863 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,719 >> and I have Ben Mistleman Ben Messleman 1864 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:39,520 here uh if you have any questions for us 1865 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,040 regarding water. 1866 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:49,669 >> Perfect. Thank you. 1867 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:56,229 » Yes, Mr. Gross. 1868 01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:59,040 » Thank you. My name is Pete Gross. Been a 1869 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,440 resident of Moab for a little over a 1870 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,560 third of a century. Um I was about 3:30 1871 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,000 on the clock. Thought, "Oh, I better 1872 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,159 hurry and get here because citizens be 1873 01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:10,320 here. It starts at 4:00." And it was 1874 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,400 only a friend of mine happened to say, 1875 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,320 "Oh, it's at 5:00 now." And that's an 1876 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,440 approximate time. Um, 1877 01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:18,960 some of us are starting to wonder if 1878 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,280 this is really citizens to be ignored. 1879 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,000 Um, you know, it seems like I've been 1880 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,159 involved in, you know, just political 1881 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,639 feedback for about a half century and 1882 01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:30,320 most elected officials that I've worked 1883 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,840 with welcome feedback from their 1884 01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,760 constituents. They're happy to hear from 1885 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,080 them. So, I'm a little bit disappointed 1886 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,520 to find that, you know, it seems like 1887 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,760 we're making it harder for citizens to 1888 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,520 be heard. 1889 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:42,070 Okay. 1890 01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:42,159 >> [clears throat] 1891 01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:46,480 >> On another um topic, the water element 1892 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,560 um climate change needs to be taken into 1893 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,880 account. As we know, if you look at the 1894 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,719 climate models, Colorado plateau is is a 1895 01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:57,199 high impact area. We have an uncertain 1896 01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:59,040 water supply and so we should be 1897 01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,400 monitoring that very carefully, 1898 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,880 especially when it comes to 1899 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,960 approving up zones where you increase 1900 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,440 the density because 1901 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,120 we might not have enough water to serve 1902 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,520 the people who already live here. 1903 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,360 Um, another thing regarding high impact 1904 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,199 events when I first moved here 35 years 1905 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,360 ago, I remember Fat [clears throat] Tire 1906 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,239 Festival was a major event brought like 1907 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:22,159 two to 3,000 1908 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:25,360 mountain bikers and um other similar 1909 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,520 events, the Canyon Lands Half Marathon 1910 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,159 brings almost 5,000 runners, Moab Trail 1911 01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,159 Marathon and others about 2,000 runners. 1912 01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,239 Dead Horse Ultra 1500 participants, 1913 01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,360 Arches Ultra, etc. Moa run the rocks 5 1914 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,920 to 600 skinny tire festival 5 to 600 the 1915 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,800 grandfather 3 to 500 1916 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,480 a lot of those you scarcely would know 1917 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,960 they're even occurring if you didn't 1918 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,280 happen to be aware of what's going on 1919 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,080 whereas when you have a fraction of that 1920 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,520 number like compared to the half 1921 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,480 marathon of 5,000 runners you have say 1922 01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:59,199 300 motorized 1923 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,600 recreationists you hear it all over town 1924 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,239 oftentimes so anyway I would just like 1925 01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,800 to contrast going also to the the 1926 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,760 Gardener Institute study which you guys 1927 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,000 funded which I thought was probably ill 1928 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,679 advised. Um if at the very least it 1929 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,760 could have expanded 1930 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,520 uh issues to concern itself. If you 1931 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,840 really want to optimize tourism there's 1932 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,040 a branch of applied math called 1933 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,400 operations research deals with 1934 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,719 optimization. And the chem Gardner 1935 01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:28,239 Institute at least the last time I 1936 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:32,639 looked even had a person who's an expert in operations research on their 1937 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:34,239 staff. I would be surprised if they 1938 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:35,520 hadn't advised you should at least 1939 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,679 consider some other options and I think 1940 01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:40,000 you might find that you know you were a 1941 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,440 little bit remiss in having such a 1942 01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:46,950 narrow focus. Thank you for your time. 1943 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,960 » Anyone else? 1944 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:55,110 Yes, please. Matt 1945 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,400 O'Brien from [clears throat] Passouth. 1946 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,440 Almost every comment submitted in person 1947 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:04,400 or digitally to the planning commission 1948 01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,560 during the months the commission toggled 1949 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,840 between a dozen page draft, an 81page 1950 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,040 draft, a 31page draft. 1951 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,280 Every comment urged the commission to 1952 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,920 consider the county's current and future 1953 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,600 supply of water under climate change 1954 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,600 and/or the need to change what is 1955 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,920 conditionally allowed in the watersheds 1956 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,760 of our only two drinking water sources. 1957 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,360 A letter came from the Colorado 1958 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,120 Rivereper, 1959 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,600 and I'd love to see a debate between him 1960 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,159 and any of you who really think we're 1961 01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:40,480 going to get water from uh for 1962 01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:44,159 irrigation from the Colorado River. 1963 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,080 Another letter came with extensive 1964 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:47,920 science references linked for 1965 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,760 downloading. 1966 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,920 The planning commission made no response 1967 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,800 to any of these comments. The word 1968 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,360 climate appears three times in the draft 1969 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,440 water use element. 1970 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,400 All three times it is hyphenated for 1971 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,840 climate adapted plants or climate 1972 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,480 adapted landscaping. 1973 01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:12,480 Climate adapted. What climate? Is there 1974 01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:14,080 really a climate that needs to be 1975 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,960 adapted to? 1976 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,639 You on the county commission have 1977 01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:21,120 similarly received extensive science 1978 01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,600 information and links to actual 1979 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,480 documents. You have received comments 1980 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:29,280 from county residents. the constituents 1981 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,920 you supposedly serve, urging 1982 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,080 consideration of the impacts of climate 1983 01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,360 change on our drinking water 1984 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,000 aquifers, our irrigation water aquifer 1985 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,679 and on the Colorado River. Fortunately, 1986 01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:46,159 Commissioner McCandless has assured 1987 01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:48,239 Commissioner Hedin that each of the four 1988 01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:51,120 proposed general plan amendments which 1989 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,760 you have been provided last week by 1990 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,280 Trish 1991 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,199 which are based on consideration of 1992 01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,488 climate will be discussed and voted 1993 01:30:59,488 --> 01:31:01,199 [clears throat] upon by the commission 1994 01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:03,120 tonight. 1995 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,679 Any or all of the four amendments can be 1996 01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:08,639 added to the element tonight. They are 1997 01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:10,800 allowed under the state law mandating 1998 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,840 the element. Their addition would not 1999 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,800 further delay passage of the element 2000 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,880 which meets the state mandate for 2001 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,360 consideration of per capita water use 2002 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,760 reduction. 2003 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,760 They none of the amendments require 2004 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,280 going further over budget. 2005 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,480 I hope the commission doesn't by choose 2006 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:35,520 by 4 to three to dismiss all the county 2007 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,400 residents calls for consideration of 2008 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,040 climate science and the realities of the 2009 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,440 wet water. Thank you. 2010 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:47,990 >> Thank you. 2011 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,679 I don't see anybody online. Quinn. 2012 01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:54,560 All right. Anybody else? Yes, sir. Mr. 2013 01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,473 Johnson, 2014 01:31:56,473 --> 01:31:57,440 [clears throat] then I'll get to you, 2015 01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:01,048 ma'am. Next. 2016 01:32:01,058 --> 01:32:06,470 » [clears throat] 2017 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,600 » Every time I come here, Dwight Johnston, 2018 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,040 every time I come here, people are 2019 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,560 complaining and complaining about the 2020 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,360 job you're doing. So, I'd like to 2021 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,760 congratulate you. I think you guys have 2022 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,840 made an awfully wonderful impact on 2023 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,480 Moab, and I'm grateful for it. So, I 2024 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:26,239 just heard today TRCN comes up. 2025 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:27,760 That's a real good sign. And the money's 2026 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,000 being spent, right, for a change. But 2027 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,199 it's it's really rewarding to see the 2028 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,120 increase in tourism because every 2029 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,760 business up and down this this town, you 2030 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,199 know, relies on it. We So, we're just 2031 01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:45,679 grateful. I also think you've done a 2032 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,920 great job with handling the impact at 2033 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,440 Arches, 2034 01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:51,120 solving that problem without chasing 2035 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,800 people away. I think that's a wonderful 2036 01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,040 move. 2037 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,520 And I also think that you solve the 2038 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,239 low-income housing crisis. The stuff 2039 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:01,840 that's under construction right now when 2040 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,320 it's finished, I think we'll be able to 2041 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:05,760 quit complaining about the lack of 2042 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,199 low-income housing. There's going to be 2043 01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,560 plenty of it. So, especially for you 2044 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,360 four members, I want to thank you, 2045 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,199 congratulate you for a job well done, 2046 01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:16,960 and encourage you. Please just keep up 2047 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,679 the good work. 2048 01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:30,070 >> Thank you, sir. M next. 2049 01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,600 » My name is Stephen Starks. I'm the Grand 2050 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,440 County attorney and this is Kylie 2051 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:35,440 Hosteder. She's gonna give a statement. 2052 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:36,560 I'm going to pass something out while 2053 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,840 she's doing that. 2054 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,840 >> Thank you, Stephen. 2055 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,840 Good evening. 2056 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,080 Thank you so much for allowing me this 2057 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,800 opportunity to present 2058 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,080 and consider this request. 2059 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,360 Again, my name is Kylie Hosteder and I 2060 01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,199 serve as the victim advocate with the 2061 01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:58,000 Grand County Attorney's Office. 2062 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,880 Today, I am asking for your support in 2063 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,120 approving a full-time budget for this 2064 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,880 position. 2065 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,440 As domestic violence cases continue to 2066 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,880 require a coordinated victim-entered 2067 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,840 response, this investment would allow us 2068 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,520 to meet that need with greater 2069 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,840 consistency, collaboration, and care. 2070 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:21,840 This request is about more than 2071 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,040 increasing hours. It is about increasing 2072 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,600 our ability to respond to some of the 2073 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,040 most vulnerable members of our community 2074 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,880 during the most difficult moments of 2075 01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,199 their lives. 2076 01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:37,520 As a part-time advocate, my work is 2077 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,920 largely limited to cases that have 2078 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,080 already reached the county attorney's 2079 01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,840 office. However, many victims need 2080 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,840 support long before a case is 2081 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,600 prosecuted. 2082 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,840 With a full-time position, I would be 2083 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,000 able to respond alongside the sheriff's 2084 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,639 office during acute domestic violence 2085 01:34:56,639 --> 01:34:59,440 incidents, helping reduce immediate 2086 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:03,280 trauma, provide safety planning, and 2087 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,440 connect victims with critical resources 2088 01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:08,560 when they need them the most. 2089 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,800 I would also be able to support victims 2090 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,719 whose cases never make it to 2091 01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:15,920 prosecution. Often law enforcement 2092 01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,639 responds to reports of abuse, but there 2093 01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:21,360 isn't enough evidence to make an arrest. 2094 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,040 Those cases may remain under 2095 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,440 investigation while in evidence is 2096 01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:28,800 gathered. During that time, victims are 2097 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,199 often left to navigate fear, 2098 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,800 uncertainty, and isolation on their own. 2099 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,080 It may be a mother trying to safely 2100 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,440 leave her abuser with her children 2101 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,000 or a man struggling to make someone 2102 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,239 believe that he is being abused, 2103 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:50,080 manipulated, and made afraid to leave. 2104 01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,440 Regardless of where the a case ends up, 2105 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:56,880 every victim deserves support, advocacy, 2106 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,199 and connection. 2107 01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:01,920 Expanding this position to full-time 2108 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,080 would allow me to bridge the gap between 2109 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,880 law enforcement's initial response and 2110 01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,520 the legal process while strengthening 2111 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,080 collabor collaboration between the 2112 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,040 county attorney's office, the sheriff's 2113 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,920 office, law enforcement, health care 2114 01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,960 providers, local nonprofits, and other 2115 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,360 community partners. 2116 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,360 With the time to build and maintain 2117 01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,440 those partnerships, we can create a 2118 01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:29,920 smoother, more coordinated, and more 2119 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,880 efficient response system. One that 2120 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,840 connects victims to the right support at 2121 01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,239 the right time. Instead of asking them 2122 01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:40,400 to navigate a complex network of 2123 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,960 services on their own, 2124 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,639 the value of this position isn't 2125 01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:46,480 measured only by the thesis we 2126 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,560 prosecute. It's measured by the people 2127 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,880 we help find safety, stability, and hope 2128 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:56,560 before they ever walk into a courtroom. 2129 01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,800 Thank you for your consideration and for 2130 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,880 your continued commitment to the safety 2131 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,119 and well-being of the people of Grand 2132 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:04,800 County. 2133 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,239 >> Thank you. Appreciate it. 2134 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:07,360 >> Before you commissioners, you have 2135 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,880 packets. These are the victim packets 2136 01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,400 that are received. You can look through 2137 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,159 them tonight's evening or at tonight's 2138 01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:13,760 meeting and then I'll collect them at 2139 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,280 the end. Thank you. 2140 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,320 >> Okay. Thank you. 2141 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,000 >> I'd like to leave one here for Melody 2142 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,012 when she returns if that's possible. 2143 01:37:22,012 --> 01:37:22,239 [laughter] 2144 01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,560 >> Trish. 2145 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,560 >> All right. Who would like to come up 2146 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:31,109 next? 2147 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,802 » All right. Please do. Mr. Clyde. 2148 01:37:33,802 --> 01:37:37,189 [clears throat] 2149 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,400 My name is Kevin Clyde. I would like to 2150 01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,880 uh 2151 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,679 express my appreciation for 2152 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:50,950 the county commission's uh 2153 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,639 the importance they place upon the 2154 01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:54,400 institutions that have been established 2155 01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,040 here in Grand County. Particularly, I'm 2156 01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,600 talking about the water 2157 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,280 stewards, which would be the Grand Water 2158 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,600 and Sewer Social Sewer Agency, Grand 2159 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,960 County Water Conservation District. I've 2160 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,960 been listening to planning commission 2161 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,119 meetings. I've also 2162 01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:16,639 uh 2163 01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:19,360 been in uh the water district meetings 2164 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,760 when these topics that have been 2165 01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,560 mentioned tonight have been discussed. I 2166 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,280 think they've been discussed broadly and 2167 01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,920 widely and thoroughly. 2168 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:34,880 Uh I recognize that um 2169 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,199 some of the u ideas that uh members of 2170 01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:42,880 the public want to have more uh emphasis 2171 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,960 placed on them 2172 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,239 haven't been really uh considered 2173 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:51,440 greatly because institutions of this 2174 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:54,159 county have been thinking about those 2175 01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:56,719 things and placing them in their in 2176 01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:59,920 their versions of Water L and in the 2177 01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,639 planning documents that are regularly 2178 01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:05,280 produced. But anyway, I want to uh thank 2179 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,880 you for doing that. I think it's a very 2180 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,840 important u part of what the county 2181 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:14,159 commission does and encourage you to uh 2182 01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:16,000 use that consideration in your decisions 2183 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,880 tonight. Thank you. 2184 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,520 >> Thank you. And when I'm told that by 2185 01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,159 Dana that there is somebody online, 2186 01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,000 >> it was agent. 2187 01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,800 >> Okay. 2188 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:38,229 All right. Yes, Susie, please come up. 2189 01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,480 » Hello, I'm Susie Johnston and I just 2190 01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:42,239 wanted to dive a little bit deeper in 2191 01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:43,440 one of the things that you guys have 2192 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,920 done that's huge and you probably don't 2193 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:47,760 even think about it anymore, but when we 2194 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,000 moved back here, everybody was clamoring 2195 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,239 for housing. There were employees living 2196 01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:56,560 in their cars in vans in tents. They I 2197 01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,159 mean you can imagine how fun that would 2198 01:39:58,159 --> 01:39:59,840 be in the heat of the summer with no 2199 01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:03,679 water, no toilets, and no bath. The no 2200 01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,440 bath park was one that got me. But 2201 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,880 anyway, um now there's down I guess it's 2202 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,719 not down from us. It's north of us 2203 01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,119 across from you the university. There's 2204 01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,040 new housing going in. I just want to pat 2205 01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,520 on the back. I mean that happened fast 2206 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,440 and there was a long time here we were 2207 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,840 clamoring for housing and none happened. 2208 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,480 None. And so I thank you guys for that. 2209 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:26,080 And I know that these employees, the 2210 01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,639 kids that have a nice place to live now, 2211 01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:31,199 a decent place to live, too. So, keep up 2212 01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,280 the good work. 2213 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:38,870 >> Thank you. 2214 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,639 » All right. Do we have anybody else? Yes, 2215 01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:47,270 sir. 2216 01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,760 » I'm Shane Firestack, Grand County. I'd 2217 01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,440 like to thank the members of the 2218 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:53,600 commission for the hard work that you 2219 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:57,760 do. It's a often a uh difficult scenario 2220 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,560 when uh you're continuously met with 2221 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,749 challenges and disagreements and 2222 01:41:02,749 --> 01:41:03,760 [clears throat] would like to thank you 2223 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,239 for the time that you spend doing this, 2224 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:07,600 the amount of time that you've taken 2225 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,280 away from your families and your jobs 2226 01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,520 and everything else. It's a it's a very 2227 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,719 difficult scenario and uh I'd just like 2228 01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:17,040 to thank you for everything you do. 2229 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:23,350 >> Thank you. 2230 01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:27,669 All right. Anyone else? 2231 01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:30,080 And still nobody online. Quinn, 2232 01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:31,199 >> we have some people online, but they're 2233 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,040 here for a delayed item. 2234 01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:37,119 >> Okay. Well, with that, we will move on 2235 01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,480 to our next item. And we have a public 2236 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,560 hearing at 6, but we're going to skip 2237 01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:46,320 that until 6 o'clock arrives. 2238 01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,119 And 2239 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:51,280 That will bring us our general business 2240 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,360 action items, discussions and 2241 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,760 considerations approval. And we will 2242 01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,880 start with mission member disclosures 2243 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,199 and further consider future 2244 01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:02,719 considerations. 2245 01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,480 >> Commission member disclosure works for 2246 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,719 the sheriff's department. 2247 01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:08,639 >> All right. Anyone else? Yes, 2248 01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:09,600 Commissioner Houdin. 2249 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,840 >> Um future considerations. I want to 2250 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,920 continue to 2251 01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,679 um inspire an evaluation of county admin 2252 01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:19,360 and my understanding is that would be 2253 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,960 led by Melody, Jacques and Mike. And 2254 01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,239 then secondly, I do want us to start 2255 01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:29,280 looking closely at grandma policies and 2256 01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,520 procedures. I think that the clerk 2257 01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,679 auditor is doing a really good job in 2258 01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:35,840 trying to get those and process them, 2259 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,560 but [clears throat] falling apart at a 2260 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,159 certain point. And so I think it is 2261 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:42,880 something that we need to visit as as a 2262 01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,880 county. How do we get those grandma 2263 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,880 requests fulfilled um effectively or or 2264 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,280 efficiently and effectively? I know that 2265 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,560 I have one um constituent that's been 2266 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,760 reaching out for I don't know six months 2267 01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,520 maybe still doesn't have her grandma 2268 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,639 request. Um so I think that you know as 2269 01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:04,400 a county it's something that we need to 2270 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,560 look at. 2271 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:10,870 >> All right. Anyone else? 2272 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,000 Okay, we will move on to the approval of 2273 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,960 the consent agenda and the clerk auditor 2274 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,880 let me know that there were no minutes 2275 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,840 loaded. So we will skip over that one 2276 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,760 and move on to the ratification of 2277 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,800 payment of bills. The total bills were 2278 01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:32,310 1,884,65.36 2279 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:41,270 with a total payroll of $572,8764 2280 01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,239 with a grand total bills and payroll of 2281 01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:50,870 $2,457,482. 2282 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,159 And moving on, we will see ratification 2283 01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:57,280 of match letter for the FEMA FMA flood 2284 01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,480 mitigation assistance 10% county match 2285 01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:03,760 letter for grant application. 2286 01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,400 D ratification of the chair signature on 2287 01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,800 the sidewalk plans for the east holio 2288 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,000 plane project. E ratification of Utah 2289 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,520 wildfire 2290 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,400 resourceou between Utah Division of 2291 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,280 Forestry Fire and State Lands and Grand 2292 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,239 County Emergency Management. 2293 01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:25,119 F. Ratification of Google Advertiser 2294 01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:28,320 verification for Discover Moab. 2295 01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,360 G. Letter of support to BLM for Colorado 2296 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,560 River Trail. National Recreation Trail 2297 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,400 designation. 2298 01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,480 H. Letter supporting NIKA's request for 2299 01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:42,639 additional parking at Brands Trail to 2300 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,159 BLM. 2301 01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:47,199 I grant award contract motorized trail 2302 01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:49,360 maintenance initiative. 2303 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,320 J. Grant award contract non-motorized 2304 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:58,239 trail optimization for class one EMTB. 2305 01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,560 Hey, contract amendment for master 2306 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,760 services agreement between Khagen 2307 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,440 Madden, which is formerly Madden Media 2308 01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:11,520 and Grand County Moab Office of Tourism. 2309 01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,800 And L, Children's Justice Center 2310 01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,080 contract amendment, renewal, 2311 01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:22,080 M, approval of IPAW and emergency alerts 2312 01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,239 addendum to emergency management 2313 01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,119 regional mutual aid agreement. 2314 01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:30,480 N USGS salinity study amendment to 2315 01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:32,159 contract. 2316 01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:37,600 Oh, GCSO position backfill requests. 2317 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,360 >> Oh, yes, Commissioner Martinez. 2318 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,000 >> Just real quick, um, question. Should we 2319 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,280 move the GS uh, uh, GCSO position 2320 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:48,000 backfill off of the consent agenda as 2321 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,360 it's one of the items that we're going 2322 01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,600 to be discussing in the budget, or is it 2323 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,400 best that we allow that to scale? 2324 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,199 >> If I remember correctly, that's 2325 01:45:57,199 --> 01:45:58,639 people that left the county that were 2326 01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:00,080 just replacing them. 2327 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,880 >> Okay. I just I just wanted to make sure 2328 01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,639 that's what I reminded. 2329 01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:05,679 >> Okay. Great. Thank you for that 2330 01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:07,119 question. 2331 01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:09,040 >> They're just replacing hire people that 2332 01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,520 have already quit that are quitting and 2333 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,320 that we need to replace. 2334 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,239 >> Okay. Yes. Commissioner Mccertie still 2335 01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:17,840 moved. 2336 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,239 >> Second. Okay. We have a motion by 2337 01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:21,760 Commissioner Mccertie, second by 2338 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,719 Commissioner Adler. All in favor? 2339 01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:25,840 I 2340 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,920 >> I that passes six 2341 01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,960 with one absent commissioner had 60 I 2342 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,760 guess. All right, we will move on to 2343 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,880 special events. And I thought I saw Jen 2344 01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,440 Beth online. 2345 01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:43,760 Did we lose her? She's there. 2346 01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,400 >> I'm here. Can you hear me? 2347 01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,360 >> Yeah, there you are now. Thank you. 2348 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,480 >> Hello. How are How is everybody today? 2349 01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:54,639 >> Great. Thank you for being with us even 2350 01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:56,719 though you're gone. 2351 01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:59,360 >> Yes. Can Can you hear me? Okay. 2352 01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:00,960 >> Yes. 2353 01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,000 >> Okay. So, I'm Jenny Beth Jones. I am the 2354 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,320 special events 2355 01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:10,000 um person here at the county. Uh we do 2356 01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:13,840 have four events that are looking to be 2357 01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,360 approved. Um the first one is taking 2358 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,719 place in November, so a winter event. 2359 01:47:20,719 --> 01:47:25,199 Um, it is a brand new motorized event. 2360 01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,760 Um, it's an off-road rally that will 2361 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,239 invite all motori oh, excuse me, 2362 01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:32,400 motorized vehicle type owners and 2363 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,199 operate as a nonprofit with net proceeds 2364 01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:38,880 being donated to 501c3 organ 2365 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,400 organizations 2366 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,760 to promote responsible use of our public 2367 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,040 lands. Um, it is put on by the Utah 2368 01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,920 Public Lands Alliance. It is November 2369 01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,000 12th through the 14th and they will be 2370 01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,560 utilizing OTAA. 2371 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,760 Uh the next three events are all uh 2372 01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,440 recurring events and they're all from 2373 01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,880 the same sponsor. Uh we have Moab Run 2374 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,119 the Rocks which is March 5th through the 2375 01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:09,280 7th of 2027. We're looking at about 800 2376 01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:11,119 participants 2377 01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:15,709 and it's recurring for the past 5 years. 2378 01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:15,760 >> [snorts] 2379 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,000 >> Um, it's a three-day running event 2380 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,560 taking place on several trails. This 2381 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,800 event brings an average of 600 people 2382 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,560 into town along with their friends and 2383 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,480 families. In April of 27, we have the 2384 01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:31,440 Desert Gravel event, also sponsored by 2385 01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:34,480 Trans Rockies. It is a cycling event. 2386 01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,880 Uh, we're looking at about 1,500 2387 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,520 participants. It is also recurring for 2388 01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,719 the last five years. and it is a gravel 2389 01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:45,520 bike race that begins and ends in Fruda. 2390 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,719 However, it does um cross over into the 2391 01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:53,280 border of Grand County partly. And then 2392 01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,480 in May, we have another cycling event 2393 01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,280 for Trans Rockies. Uh we're looking at 2394 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,000 about 800 participants. This one has 2395 01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,840 been recurring for 13 years. And it is a 2396 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,480 weekend of biking featuring a 3-day 2397 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,719 mountain biking event, a single day road 2398 01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:14,800 event, and a single day gravel event. 2399 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,880 And that is what I've got for you today. 2400 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,960 >> All right. Thank you, Jenn. Um, 2401 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,679 Commissioner, 2402 01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:25,679 >> um, 2403 01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:27,440 a motion and a question for Jacques, 2404 01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,480 actually. Uh, 2405 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:31,760 >> I'd like to make the motion. And I move 2406 01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,360 to approve the high impact event 2407 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,800 submissions as presented. And if there's 2408 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,400 a second for that, but I also have a 2409 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:39,360 comment for 2410 01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,360 >> Okay. Motion by Commissioner McCertie, 2411 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:42,800 second by 2412 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,199 >> Martinez. 2413 01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,360 >> Um, and then the question being, 2414 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,440 >> have you participated in the gravel one? 2415 01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:51,679 >> Yes. And all actually all of those 2416 01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:52,239 events. 2417 01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:52,639 >> Okay. 2418 01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:54,719 >> Yeah. We I didn't personally participate 2419 01:49:54,719 --> 01:49:57,760 in the gravel, but our these events hire 2420 01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,600 the uh mega team. 2421 01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,840 >> Yeah. and contribute significantly to 2422 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:03,600 our to our fundraising efforts. They 2423 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,719 give our kids an opportunity to 2424 01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:06,400 volunteer and they pay us well for them 2425 01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,840 to to help facilitate like crowd control 2426 01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,719 and directions for the riders and such. 2427 01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:15,040 Um and I've written in the other events. 2428 01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:15,440 >> Okay. 2429 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:17,600 >> Yeah, it's great to hear local 2430 01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,920 participation 2431 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,920 from our bike team. Thank you. 2432 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,199 >> Absolutely. Commissioner Hine Beth, I 2433 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:27,920 have a question for you. So, my 2434 01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,480 understanding of special events and the 2435 01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,480 application process is we should have 2436 01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:34,800 seen the ITA 2437 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,239 for this off-road America in January of 2438 01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:42,400 2026. Is that for for quarter 3 events? 2439 01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:46,159 We're supposed to see them in the first 2440 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:50,239 meeting in January. Is that correct? 2441 01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:52,639 >> That that is correct. Um, however, I 2442 01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:55,840 didn't receive the ITA in time for that 2443 01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:56,960 one. 2444 01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,280 >> That meeting, 2445 01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,040 >> was it in the second meeting then? Did I 2446 01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,560 miss it? I I I tried to find the ITA and 2447 01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,159 I never found it. 2448 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,239 >> Um, I apologize. I don't know when they 2449 01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:12,080 submitted it, but I can get you that 2450 01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,239 information when I'm back in the office. 2451 01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:15,360 Um, 2452 01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:16,320 >> I then 2453 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,199 >> I just figured I'd present it to you. 2454 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:22,719 >> Okay. I am uncomfortable approving this 2455 01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:25,360 because I I think we should have seen it 2456 01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,400 at the appropriate time frame. And when 2457 01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:32,159 I went back to that meeting, we approved 2458 01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,719 this was January 20th. We approved 2459 01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:37,199 Building Man, Red Rock Rally, Raptor on 2460 01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,840 the Rocks, and the Grenadier 2461 01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:44,480 um event. And and I will state that, you 2462 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:47,119 know, 75% of those events were 2463 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:49,760 motorized. So, I'll get into that. But 2464 01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:51,920 I'm uncomfortable approving this event 2465 01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,679 if we if it is not following our special 2466 01:51:55,679 --> 01:52:00,070 events procedures. 2467 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,400 » Noted. Thank you. 2468 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,520 >> Commissioner McCartney 2469 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,360 >> in the discussion it uh 2470 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:11,760 I understand why your thoughts there, 2471 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,679 but you have concerns if they come too 2472 01:52:13,679 --> 01:52:15,679 early and you have concerns if they come 2473 01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:18,000 too late. And there's concerns when they 2474 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,920 come on time, but it's specifically to 2475 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:22,960 motorized events. Every one of those 2476 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,920 questions has been directed at motorized 2477 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:26,400 events. 2478 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,239 >> Can you give me examples of that, Mike? 2479 01:52:28,239 --> 01:52:30,320 >> Red Rock Rally. 2480 01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,280 >> We passed. 2481 01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:35,360 >> They're coming too early. That was your discussion. I mean, I can pull the 2482 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:36,239 minutes from the meeting. 2483 01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:37,520 >> I didn't do that. 2484 01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,080 >> I think your point's made, Mike. Um, 2485 01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,480 Commissioner McCandless. 2486 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,840 So, in the special events um ordinance, 2487 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,960 it allows them, I think, 60 days. So, 2488 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,719 that doesn't have to come before us at 2489 01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:53,040 specific times. Um it's just that if 2490 01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,040 their application is in within that time 2491 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,199 frame that they can be in there, but 2492 01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,520 they can also apply. I believe it's 60 2493 01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,760 days. Um I will find it. I'm going to 2494 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,159 look for it. So, they're definitely well 2495 01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:07,199 within their um application and they're 2496 01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,920 not breaking any rules by putting it in 2497 01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,800 for approval right now. 2498 01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:13,119 Okay. 2499 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,320 >> Yeah, I think you're right. The 2500 01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,760 >> Go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to 2501 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:19,440 cut you off. 2502 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:22,400 >> Um, the new ordinance doesn't specify 2503 01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:26,000 that it needs to be in like the the 2504 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,800 quarterly anymore. It's just when they 2505 01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:33,430 apply. I think you're right, Mel. 2506 01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:35,599 » Okay. I think Mary had her hand up, 2507 01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:38,639 Brian. And then Jock. I think Mary Beth 2508 01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:40,800 answered my question because I was 2509 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,360 confused about that as well because I 2510 01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,840 remember one reason we wanted to do that 2511 01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,119 in class was because so often things the 2512 01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:50,800 way things were piling up and all of a 2513 01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,080 sudden coming to us at last minute and 2514 01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:59,199 um so so I I was remembering the 2515 01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,920 ordinance prior to 2516 01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,960 I guess update or change 2517 01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:07,360 uh and 2518 01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:11,119 I I I want to mention I think some of us 2519 01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:14,239 were not opposed to the Red Rock Rally. 2520 01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:17,199 We were concerned about it being on the 2521 01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:21,840 same weekend as the car show. 2522 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,479 >> Hey, Commissioner Martinez. 2523 01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:24,880 [clears throat] 2524 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,199 >> Yeah, thanks. Um just kind of drawing 2525 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:29,840 this back. I mean, total tax revenue 2526 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,400 collections yearto date were up $8 2527 01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:33,920 million, 2528 01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,800 right? That's $1.6 6 million over 2529 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,440 projections, right? Total tax revenue 2530 01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,400 came in at 212,000 2531 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,280 over projections for June alone. Right? 2532 01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:49,199 We're up 35% on our collections of TRTS. 2533 01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:50,639 And [clears throat] I really think that 2534 01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:52,400 a good portion of that is because we 2535 01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,639 welcomed people back here, everybody 2536 01:54:54,639 --> 01:54:56,960 back here to come here and recreate and 2537 01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,639 we're willing to share our home with 2538 01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:02,719 other people and have them come. Um, I'm completely in support of all of 2539 01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:04,239 these events, whether it's a running 2540 01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:06,800 event, a biking event, or an off-road 2541 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:09,360 event. Um, I think this is this is a 2542 01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,599 great a great opportunity to to invite 2543 01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,880 more people to our to our place and um 2544 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,440 and and allow our community to keep 2545 01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,679 thriving. So, 2546 01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:21,679 >> thank you. Yes, Commissioner Hadler. Uh, 2547 01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:23,599 I'm going to make a substitute motion to 2548 01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:28,560 approve the uh the last three events and 2549 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,679 um talk about the off-road event 2550 01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:33,840 separately and then if I get a second on 2551 01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:34,960 that, I'd like to continue the 2552 01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:35,840 discussion. 2553 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,280 >> Yeah, I'll second that. 2554 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,560 >> Um, I'm Can I call that out? 2555 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:41,280 >> Yes, please. 2556 01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,920 >> Thank you. We've got a substitute motion 2557 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,159 made by Commissioner Hadler and seconded 2558 01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:48,400 by Commissioner Hadin with further 2559 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,560 discussion by Commissioner Hadler. 2560 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:51,599 >> Thanks. 2561 01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,920 Um, 2562 01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:55,440 >> I just wanted to make sure I understand 2563 01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,040 the motion is what we're doing is voting 2564 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,679 for those uh now. 2565 01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:02,159 >> Yeah. 2566 01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,239 >> So they don't get mixed up with Chris 2567 01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:08,960 and then have a discussion on the uh 2568 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,560 what is it called? What's the name of 2569 01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:10,880 it? 2570 01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:12,000 >> The motorized 2571 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:16,320 >> the uh off-road American Moab rende. 2572 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:17,599 >> Yeah. And the reason I want to do that, 2573 01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:19,840 I think the um I think the uh the Trans 2574 01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,280 Rockies that puts on the other three 2575 01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,480 events has a long established um 2576 01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,080 relationship with the county. They've 2577 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,880 done a great job. They've been um uh 2578 01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,679 good stewards and this is this is a 2579 01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,280 brand new motorized event. Um I'd like 2580 01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:36,560 to consider it separately. I've 2581 01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:38,719 personally had a few bad experiences 2582 01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:43,679 with motorized events this year and um I 2583 01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:45,679 I'm happy to discuss that further, but I 2584 01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:48,719 would uh before that I'd love to call 2585 01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:52,480 for a vote of my motion. 2586 01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,719 All right, we'll go for a vote on the 2587 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:56,480 substitute motion by Commissioner 2588 01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,599 Hadler, seconded by Commissioner Hadine, 2589 01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:04,639 which was a motion to approve the three 2590 01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:06,960 events that were non-motorized. Correct. 2591 01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:08,239 >> That's correct. Thank you. 2592 01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:10,960 >> Okay. All in favor of the substitute 2593 01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,119 motion? 2594 01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:15,440 Those opposed? 2595 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:16,960 >> I 2596 01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,679 >> All right. substitute fails and we will 2597 01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:22,239 go back to the original motion with some 2598 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:23,920 discussion. I believe commissioner 2599 01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,080 Hadler wanted to start and then I will 2600 01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,239 go to commissioner man. 2601 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,480 >> Yeah, you want to read out did you want 2602 01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,719 to read out the result of the vote? 2603 01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:36,080 >> Oh, thank you. Thank you. So, sorry the 2604 01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,800 substitute motion failed on a vote of 2605 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,040 three in favor, four opposed. Those 2606 01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,520 opposed were commissioned. 2607 01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,679 >> Oh, never mind. Never mind. Commissioner 2608 01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:47,840 Martinez, Commissioner Mccertie, myself, 2609 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,400 Commissioner Winfield, and Commissioner 2610 01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,920 McCandless online. Thank you, Jo. 2611 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,360 >> Thanks. Yeah, I just wanted to make it 2612 01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:59,920 clear that I very much support those other three Trans Rockies events. 2613 01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:03,840 Um, I won't be voting for this again. 2614 01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:05,760 I've had and I'm not going to go into 2615 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,400 details, but I've had um poor 2616 01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,040 experiences with two separate motorized 2617 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:16,880 events uh just this year. Um, I was not 2618 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,960 in favor of the Red Rock Rally moving 2619 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,840 into the into the busy season this year 2620 01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,880 and I heard from many people that they 2621 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,719 were impacted by the um by that event. 2622 01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:32,800 Uh, I I see this as something similar. 2623 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:38,400 Um, and uh it's not something that I 2624 01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,840 currently support. Um, I'll leave it at 2625 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,719 that. 2626 01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:46,400 next. 2627 01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:46,800 Um, 2628 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,040 >> Commissioner Man's next and then I'll go 2629 01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:50,560 to Commissioner. 2630 01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,280 >> I I appreciate that that that event is 2631 01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:57,520 on uh in November. I think that's a a 2632 01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:59,520 good time for it. I mean, that seems a 2633 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,880 real busy time like it was when we right 2634 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,520 on top of the car show, which I do think 2635 01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:13,040 we should reconsider for next year. Uh but uh on on the application, I I 2636 01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,040 guess what I wanted was when I I know 2637 01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,360 when I know it was Kent Green that came 2638 01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,599 and gave this really great presentation 2639 01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:22,080 on on what they were going to do to 2640 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:23,679 mitigate 2641 01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:26,639 whatever and how they, you know, and 2642 01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:29,119 then there was going to be a process for 2643 01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:31,520 us to really make sure that it didn't 2644 01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,560 negatively impact community. And I guess 2645 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,440 I missed that on this one that I felt 2646 01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,719 like because it's one reason we're not 2647 01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:42,800 hearing the clamor anymore is because 2648 01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:45,679 we've done a good job of you know it's 2649 01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:50,639 not it's not the issue at point was uh 2650 01:59:50,639 --> 01:59:53,280 six years ago, seven years ago when 2651 01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,159 motorized you know pe many people were 2652 01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:58,560 we were getting hundreds and hundreds of 2653 01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,840 uh letters about from across 2654 02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,400 uh a political spectrum. are concerned 2655 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,440 about the noise, especially in loud. So, 2656 02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,520 I I guess what what bothers me about 2657 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,800 this is we're not we're not getting any 2658 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,280 of that type of information for a brand 2659 02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:20,320 new a high impact event and the high 2660 02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:23,280 impact events are high impact and that's 2661 02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,480 why we vote on them separately and I I 2662 02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:28,480 guess I would I would have appreciated 2663 02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,560 the same type of presentation that was 2664 02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,119 presented to us for the before the first 2665 02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:38,239 year that they hadn't been rally. 2666 02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:40,320 >> Okay, I'm going to go to Commissioner 2667 02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:42,960 Haden and then Commissioner Mccury, 2668 02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,199 Commissioner Martinez, and then I will 2669 02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:46,159 follow up. 2670 02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:48,639 >> I'm online, too. 2671 02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:50,239 >> Okay. And I'm sorry I didn't see your 2672 02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:52,080 hand, but now you're on the screen. All 2673 02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,199 right. I'll go to following Commissioner 2674 02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:56,560 Martinez. 2675 02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:59,199 >> I I think over the Am I Is it my turn? 2676 02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:00,560 >> It is your turn. 2677 02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,960 >> I think over the years we keep modifying 2678 02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,119 special events and the process. I'm 2679 02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:08,400 trying to come up with a process that is 2680 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:11,280 you know as BR our website you know we 2681 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:13,760 really want to provide we put sporting 2682 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,840 cultural entertainment and competitive 2683 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,320 events and maintain the health and 2684 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:21,199 welfare of our community and I think we 2685 02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:23,280 were kind of out of spot at one point 2686 02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,040 because we were trying to look at whole 2687 02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:27,520 you know holistically like are we having 2688 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,840 a variety of events are they not laying 2689 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:34,000 over the top of one another and I feel 2690 02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,159 like We're getting away from that. I do 2691 02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:37,520 feel like we're getting back to where 2692 02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:38,960 large events and this one is not the 2693 02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,719 case, but we did have Red Rock Rally 2694 02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:43,520 laying over the top of car show. Um, and 2695 02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,199 I don't think we're getting, you know, 2696 02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:47,599 the diversity of events that we were 2697 02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:49,760 seeking. Again, I'll pull up that, you 2698 02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,679 know, when I looked up the January 1st 2699 02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:54,320 IAS, three out of the four were 2700 02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:57,280 motorized. I'm not anti-motorized. I 2701 02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:58,960 just think, you know, the objective 2702 02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,920 should be to have a variety of events 2703 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,280 that are seeking to pull in a variety of 2704 02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:08,800 users. Um, I would I I agree. I think 2705 02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,040 that having Kent affiliated with Red 2706 02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:12,719 Rock has helped a lot because we have 2707 02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:15,440 that local affiliation. He obviously was 2708 02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,119 born and raised here and he cares very 2709 02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,360 much for this community. So, he's going 2710 02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,520 to make sure that that event is not 2711 02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,800 impacting the this community. And so, I 2712 02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:26,880 agree, Mary. think I would have liked to 2713 02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:33,119 have seen these event holders come and present to us and assure us that 2714 02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:35,679 it's not going to impact our community. 2715 02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:38,000 These this is an event holder out of St. 2716 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,119 George 2717 02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:42,159 >> and so you know 2718 02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:44,560 >> that event holders are online just to 2719 02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:46,719 >> Yeah. And and once we get through a few 2720 02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:48,560 more discussions here from commissioners 2721 02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,560 I'll let the event owner speak up. 2722 02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:53,199 >> Yeah, they could ask. So, it was 2723 02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,119 Commissioner McCertie and then 2724 02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:57,119 Commissioner Martinez and then 2725 02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:00,800 Commissioner McCandless. 2726 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:04,880 >> Uh, everyone heard we're up. It's 2727 02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:06,719 because we're starting to allow the 2728 02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:10,080 events back in. They're a big provider 2729 02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,800 for our economy here. You're not hearing 2730 02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,119 the clamor from so many people about the 2731 02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:16,719 past events because you cancelled them 2732 02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:19,920 all. There's no clamor when you deleted 2733 02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,560 all the motorized events. 2734 02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,199 And now that they're coming back and 2735 02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:27,440 they're trying again, they're not 2736 02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,800 deterring other events from going on. 2737 02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,760 It's not like authorizing this event 2738 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,400 tells the I'll use the pow-ow doesn't 2739 02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,880 tell the pow-ow that no, you can't 2740 02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,639 happen. 2741 02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:43,679 Having a motorized event doesn't drop 2742 02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:46,480 from diversity. Allowing the motorized 2743 02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:48,719 event and another event to happen at the 2744 02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:51,715 same time allows for diversity. 2745 02:03:51,715 --> 02:03:52,159 >> [clears throat] 2746 02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,639 >> Commissioner Martinez. 2747 02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:56,880 >> Thank you, Chair. Um, just to clear up a 2748 02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,040 couple of things. And Commissioner 2749 02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,480 Began, you might have missed this right 2750 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:03,119 here. Um, but we will also involve a 2751 02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:05,119 local charity, most likely Grand County 2752 02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:07,679 Search and Rescue as a beneficiary of 2753 02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:10,159 the event. And this is right here under 2754 02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,800 the uh um event descriptions right here. 2755 02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:14,560 And at the end right there, it also 2756 02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,400 says, "We will endeavor to use local 2757 02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:19,119 vendors for this event. Education is the 2758 02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:21,119 key to promotion of responsible 2759 02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:23,679 recreation, teach how to work with land 2760 02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:26,159 managers and local government agencies 2761 02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:28,560 to foster relationships and address 2762 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,960 community concerns. That sounds like a 2763 02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,360 pretty good deal to me. Um and then also 2764 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:35,760 I just wanted to just quickly um address 2765 02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:38,719 the idea of the events and that we're 2766 02:04:38,719 --> 02:04:40,960 keying into certain events and these 2767 02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:43,760 larger events. Um the Moab Office of 2768 02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:46,880 Tourism has gone out and specifically 2769 02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,760 offered funds to help bring in new 2770 02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:52,239 events, different events, um more 2771 02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:54,080 variety events. I mean, I I don't have 2772 02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,639 the exact list of all of the things, but 2773 02:04:56,639 --> 02:04:58,239 we were trying to bring things that came 2774 02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:00,800 in on the off season, right? And things 2775 02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,199 that we don't see here um that would add 2776 02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:05,040 to the local character of the community. 2777 02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:06,960 So, I just I don't know if I'm if I 2778 02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,719 completely agree with either of those 2779 02:05:08,719 --> 02:05:10,320 statements. So, I just wanted to point 2780 02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,719 that out. Thanks, 2781 02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:14,880 >> Commissioner McCandless. 2782 02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,400 >> Yeah, and I I wanted to point out what 2783 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,560 Brian had said and that also they they 2784 02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,960 spoke about um you know, not just 2785 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:22,719 focusing on trail activities, but also 2786 02:05:22,719 --> 02:05:24,560 education and trail maintenance projects 2787 02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,159 in cooperation with the county and land 2788 02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:28,239 managers. So, I see there's lots of 2789 02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:30,080 great stewardship happening with this. 2790 02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:31,679 And then I did find the spot in the high 2791 02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:34,719 impact events that um intent to apply 2792 02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:36,719 must be submitted at least six months 2793 02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:38,960 but no more than 18 months prior. And 2794 02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,280 this event came in the last edited dates 2795 02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,840 says May 12th, which is exactly 6 months 2796 02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,400 prior to the event. So they're right in 2797 02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:49,199 line with um what they're supposed to be 2798 02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:52,390 doing. 2799 02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:54,800 » Thank you. And then you have the events 2800 02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,760 on who is it that's online? 2801 02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,360 >> I 2802 02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,280 they said the event holders. I just had 2803 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,960 one question for him. 2804 02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:04,639 >> Yeah, Lauren Campbell is the event 2805 02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:08,239 holder and I I do see him online. 2806 02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:11,199 maybe he could unmute and come up if 2807 02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:14,159 he's listening and he wants to. 2808 02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:16,560 >> You're welcome to speak here um about 2809 02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,239 your event and then I do have one 2810 02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:23,189 commissioner with a question. Um 2811 02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:24,719 » we can't hear you. You're going to have 2812 02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:27,920 to unmute. Lauren, 2813 02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:29,840 you still have your mute button on. 2814 02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:30,560 There you go. 2815 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,400 >> There we go. All right. Thank you. Um, I 2816 02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:36,079 am the president of Utah Public Lands 2817 02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:39,280 Alliance and I was at the Moab Broad Red 2818 02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:41,840 Rock Rally this year. Uh, I've known 2819 02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,920 Kent Green for quite a long time and 2820 02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:46,000 you're right in respecting him. He 2821 02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48,320 really does value the community. Uh, 2822 02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,880 I've also grown to know Mark Pat Pat 2823 02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:54,719 very well. Um they have both committed 2824 02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:57,920 uh along with uh Slick Rock, they have 2825 02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:00,159 all committed to what we're planning on 2826 02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:02,480 doing with this event and they are fully 2827 02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,159 behind it. They said they would support 2828 02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:06,400 us in every way to make sure that it's 2829 02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:09,119 successful. I I appreciate what you 2830 02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:10,719 mentioned about the education event 2831 02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:13,280 because we intend to have a fun event 2832 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,440 where we go out and enjoy the trails 2833 02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:17,920 responsibly, but we also want to have 2834 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,400 educational processes during the trail 2835 02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:23,520 uh lunches on on the trails. And then in 2836 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:25,440 the evenings, we want to come back to 2837 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,719 the arena and have different vendors 2838 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:30,960 talk about different subjects that are 2839 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,440 of interest to off-roaders. And our 2840 02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:37,119 intent this first year is to include uh 2841 02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:41,040 full-size 4x4 operators and sidebyside 2842 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:44,239 ATV operators. Uh for the first year, we 2843 02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:47,360 have chosen not to bring in dirt bikes 2844 02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,360 because it just increases the complexity 2845 02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,520 of planning the event and we want to 2846 02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,920 make sure that we've got it successful. 2847 02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:57,679 Um we chose the date very carefully to 2848 02:07:57,679 --> 02:07:59,840 make sure that this did not overlap with 2849 02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,560 any other events. So, the month of 2850 02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,040 November, there are virtually no events, 2851 02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,520 no off-road events from the middle of 2852 02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,000 October all the way till the first of 2853 02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:13,840 the year when Winter 4x4 Jamberee kicks 2854 02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,360 off in St. George. So, um, Utah Public 2855 02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,280 Lands Alliance is a statewide 2856 02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:22,400 organization. We have two members there 2857 02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:26,159 in Moab, Melissa Fiser and also Cliff 2858 02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:28,079 Counz, who I think you probably know 2859 02:08:28,079 --> 02:08:31,760 both of them. um they they have been on 2860 02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,079 our board for a number of years. Uh 2861 02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:36,239 we're committed to making the the event 2862 02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,560 successful and 2863 02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:40,480 we don't want this just to be a one 2864 02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:44,960 time. We want this to be u um a a 2865 02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,199 succession of events like this because 2866 02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:49,520 we want to do bring education and 2867 02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:53,920 stewardship more into the event mix. Um 2868 02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:58,079 I guess last thing is um it is going to 2869 02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:01,360 be a charitable event. The event 2870 02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:04,719 promoter or organizer has agreed to not 2871 02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:07,599 charge any fees to produce this event. 2872 02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:09,520 Um they are going to do it free of 2873 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:10,960 charge and it's basically going to be 2874 02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,000 done all by volunteers. 2875 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,159 So I'd be glad to answer any questions. 2876 02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:19,599 Uh, also, um, uh, Bruce Huntington is 2877 02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,079 also on the call and he's been coming to 2878 02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:24,800 Moab for events for many, many years and 2879 02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,119 has a a longtime relationship with 2880 02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:33,199 Angie, um, at the OSDA. Um, so 2881 02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:36,159 I think that's pretty much my pitch. I'd 2882 02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:38,560 be glad to take any questions. 2883 02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,800 >> Okay, I've got Commissioner Mcan with a 2884 02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:41,920 question and then we'll go to 2885 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,880 Commissioner Haden. Uh, one thing that 2886 02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,040 uh, Kent did that I really appreciated 2887 02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:50,320 is he uh, talked a lot about because 2888 02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,119 probably the I don't think people are so 2889 02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:56,560 much upset about the motorized events 2890 02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,679 and such. They're more upset about uh, 2891 02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:02,239 the noise they make when they're driving 2892 02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:06,000 through town. So, do you have any plans 2893 02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,960 as far as where how are you going to get 2894 02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,760 to the trails? What are your plans to 2895 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:15,119 get to the trails to lower the uh impact 2896 02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:17,440 on neighborhoods 2897 02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:21,360 and uh you know how you know the uh 2898 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:25,119 education around uh respecting uh 2899 02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:27,040 residential areas. 2900 02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:31,040 >> Great. And I think that's one thing that I know is very important with 2901 02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:32,800 stewardship. It's not just stewardship 2902 02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:35,280 on the trails. It's stewardship in your 2903 02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,760 host communities as well. So that is 2904 02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:39,280 going to be an important thing. And our 2905 02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,280 plan for getting to the trails is the 2906 02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:44,000 same one that Red Rock Rally uses. So, 2907 02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,719 we will meet at remote locations. We 2908 02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:50,719 won't be lining up at at uh OSTA. We 2909 02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:52,400 won't be lining up at the arena. We'll 2910 02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:55,280 be uh having our staging areas at remote 2911 02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,199 locations. So, people will go 2912 02:10:57,199 --> 02:10:58,880 individually. They won't be parading 2913 02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,760 through town in groups. Does that answer 2914 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:03,920 your question? 2915 02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:06,000 >> Pretty much. Yes. I I think so. because 2916 02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:08,960 that's uh you know everybody's concern 2917 02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:11,679 is is their ability. 2918 02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:13,679 >> Yeah, we think Red Rock Rally did a 2919 02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,520 great job at that because we know that's 2920 02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:20,159 been a concern and um uh we plan on just 2921 02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:22,000 following their path. 2922 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,159 >> The year they had it, the first year 2923 02:11:24,159 --> 02:11:27,119 they had it where they didn't uh have it 2924 02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:34,079 on the same weekend as the car show. I didn't hear any 2925 02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:37,199 complaints that I think just the impact 2926 02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:41,040 of having so many people at town I 2927 02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,599 caused. So, thank you for answering that 2928 02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:44,320 question. 2929 02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:45,360 >> Commissioner Hine, 2930 02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,119 >> I guess I'm I'm going to dive into that 2931 02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:49,040 just a little bit more. I think I'm the 2932 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,880 only commissioner that lives that far 2933 02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,199 out the valley. I know Mike's a little 2934 02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,040 Well, but you're in Holio, so I'm pretty 2935 02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:56,079 much the only commissioner that lives 2936 02:11:56,079 --> 02:11:57,440 out in the valley. 2937 02:11:57,440 --> 02:11:59,840 Um, often with those events, when you 2938 02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:01,520 say remote locations, they're still 2939 02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,840 driving out of OSA. So, I will tell you 2940 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,159 the south end of Spanish Valley is is 2941 02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:10,000 quite loud um during these events often. 2942 02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:12,880 Um, so what can you like break that down 2943 02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:14,880 a little bit more? Like are they going 2944 02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:17,440 to be at OSA and then driving to those 2945 02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:19,760 remote locations? Are you encouraging 2946 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,679 trailering? Because I know with Kent, he 2947 02:12:21,679 --> 02:12:23,920 really encouraged trailering. 2948 02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,079 you know, we're going to have um first 2949 02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,159 of all, this is going to be both 2950 02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:30,960 full-size vehicles, so street legal 2951 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:35,599 vehicles. So, those vehicles um those 2952 02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:37,440 don't produce any noise. 2953 02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,199 >> So, that's going to be about we expect 2954 02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:41,440 about half of our attendants will be 2955 02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:44,000 full-size vehicles. Uh the other half of 2956 02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,040 them will be side by sides and quite 2957 02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:49,440 frankly, we haven't talked about that, 2958 02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,719 but we could adopt the same trailering. 2959 02:12:52,719 --> 02:12:55,119 um recommendations, 2960 02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:56,960 maybe requirements. I think at this 2961 02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:58,320 point I would prefer to say 2962 02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:01,040 recommendations to trailer to the trail 2963 02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,599 heads, but we'd probably use the staging 2964 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:05,840 areas, the same ones that they use for 2965 02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:09,199 Red Rock Rally. 2966 02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:10,880 >> Yeah, thank you. 2967 02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,280 >> And oh my, sorry, I had one more 2968 02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:14,800 question for him. Is that okay? 2969 02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:15,840 >> Yes. 2970 02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,360 So Lauren, you said um 2971 02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:21,040 you want to make it charitable, but then 2972 02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:24,320 you're not going to charge fees. So how 2973 02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,880 So I guess to me charitable means you're 2974 02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:28,480 going to take proceeds and then 2975 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,960 disseminate them to some nonprofit. So 2976 02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:32,480 what do you I I guess I was a little 2977 02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:33,920 unclear there. 2978 02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:36,719 >> Yeah. the the organizer, the person 2979 02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,639 that's going to actually be producing 2980 02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:40,719 the event that will be responsible for 2981 02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:43,840 the day-to-day operations will be uh 2982 02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:46,960 Off-Road 360. And Ranch Pratt is on the 2983 02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:48,719 call as well. He's the president of 2984 02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:53,840 Off-Road 360. And um they normally 2985 02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:56,239 produce these events for a fee. It's a 2986 02:13:56,239 --> 02:13:58,719 for-profit company, but they are not 2987 02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:04,480 charging any events for the produc for those services. Um, so the only fees 2988 02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:07,360 that we will incur will be, you know, 2989 02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,719 the arena fees, all the food costs, all 2990 02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:13,440 the catering costs, all those incidental 2991 02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:15,599 costs that we're trying to get a handle 2992 02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:18,159 on right now. And then the pro the net 2993 02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:20,079 proceeds will be distributed as 2994 02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:23,119 charitable donations. Uh, Utah Public 2995 02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:25,840 Lands Alliance is a 501c3, 2996 02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:29,440 but our intent also is to not retain any 2997 02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:33,599 of the funds. So, we will also not be uh 2998 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:36,960 participating in retaining any of the 2999 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:38,960 funds from the event. They will all be 3000 02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:42,629 donated out. 3001 02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:43,920 » Okay. Thank you. 3002 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:45,920 >> Thank you. I'm just going to follow up 3003 02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:47,520 and then I'm going to call for a vote on 3004 02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,560 this. Um, I, you know, I want to bring 3005 02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:52,880 this back to the fact that that we're 3006 02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:56,239 trying to balance the impact on our 3007 02:14:56,239 --> 02:15:00,239 local citizens against the impact of 3008 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:04,079 blocking all events on our workforce and 3009 02:15:04,079 --> 02:15:07,199 our businesses. And both of those have 3010 02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:09,520 to be considered in an equation here. 3011 02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,599 when we're working in this county, we 3012 02:15:11,599 --> 02:15:15,360 have a huge workforce that depends on 3013 02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:18,000 the only economy that we have because we 3014 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:19,920 haven't been able to diversify away from 3015 02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,800 tourism. And so I I just think that 3016 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,400 we're at a point where we have to 3017 02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:26,320 balance that. And I think there's a good 3018 02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:28,079 balance here. This is coming in in 3019 02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:31,119 November. It isn't stacked on top of any 3020 02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:34,560 other event. And it, you know, I want to 3021 02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,320 go back to the, you know, Jacques, I 3022 02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:37,760 know you said you've had some bad 3023 02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:40,079 experiences, but I've gone to every 3024 02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:42,560 motorized event that's been in town. Not 3025 02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:45,520 because I participate because I don't, 3026 02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,159 but because I want to watch and I want 3027 02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:50,719 to see how they're treating the property 3028 02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:52,880 at the OA and I want to see how they're 3029 02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:54,960 they act around town. And so I've been 3030 02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:56,639 more aware and I've attended those 3031 02:15:56,639 --> 02:15:58,480 events and showed up at different spots 3032 02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:00,880 and I have yet to see an incident 3033 02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:04,480 anywhere. I um was very appreciative of 3034 02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:07,920 the Red Rock Rally and the of the extra 3035 02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:10,159 effort that they went to and I think 3036 02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:13,360 that we've got to call out the positives 3037 02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:14,639 if we're going to call out the 3038 02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:18,079 negatives. So, I I um I think that we 3039 02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:19,760 need to thank the consideration they're 3040 02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:21,599 putting into this. I think that we need 3041 02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:23,840 to realize that it is a balance on both 3042 02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:26,800 our constituents and our workforce and 3043 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:29,840 businesses when we make these decisions. 3044 02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,920 And again, just thank you for the 3045 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:35,599 considerations you have and I I really 3046 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:38,000 encourage you to on the education 3047 02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,160 portion of that because it is critical 3048 02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:44,000 for our future events in this valley. 3049 02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,840 And when we have negative 3050 02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:50,719 impacts from individuals, single 3051 02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:52,639 individuals because of the lack of 3052 02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,559 education, I think that's really what's 3053 02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:57,200 hurt this industry more than anything. 3054 02:16:57,200 --> 02:17:00,000 So with that, I'll call for a vote on 3055 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:02,399 this. Um, the original motion was made 3056 02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:05,519 by Commissioner McCertie, seconded by 3057 02:17:05,519 --> 02:17:08,319 Commissioner Martinez, 3058 02:17:08,319 --> 02:17:11,679 and I will call for vote. All in favor? 3059 02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:13,439 >> I. 3060 02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:15,439 >> Any opposed? 3061 02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:17,920 The motion passes 5 to2 with 3062 02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:19,439 Commissioner Hadine and Commissioner 3063 02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:21,519 Hadler opposed. 3064 02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:24,800 And with that, we will go back to our 3065 02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,880 public meeting that was supposed to 3066 02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:30,629 happen at 6:00. 3067 02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:32,160 » Thank you everyone. 3068 02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,160 >> Thank you Canada. Thank you for coming 3069 02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:35,200 with us. 3070 02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:38,629 >> Of course. 3071 02:17:38,639 --> 02:17:42,960 » Let's see. We have a ordinance amending 3072 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,760 ordinance 725 dealing with the major 3073 02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:49,280 utility overlay. Yes, 3074 02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:52,080 >> that's been held. What's that? It's It's 3075 02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:53,120 on hold. 3076 02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:54,639 >> Oh, that's on hold. 3077 02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:55,040 >> Yeah. 3078 02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:56,639 >> What's on hold? 3079 02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:59,040 >> The public hearing still proceed with 3080 02:17:59,040 --> 02:17:59,760 the public hearing. 3081 02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:04,399 >> So, there's there's a requirement that 3082 02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:05,840 this item will have to go to planning 3083 02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:08,559 commission. Um, at this time, we can 3084 02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:10,880 either have comments from the public, 3085 02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:13,040 but it's going to be redone. I know 3086 02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,439 there's likely individuals here that are 3087 02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:16,639 talk about it that are here to talk 3088 02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:19,200 about it. So, that is an option. Um, we 3089 02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:21,120 can see that feedback, but it will have 3090 02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:22,160 to go back through the planning 3091 02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:23,359 commission and there will have to be a 3092 02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:24,559 public hearing as well. 3093 02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:27,599 >> Okay. My my loss. You guys tried to tell 3094 02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:29,439 me that earlier and I totally spaced it 3095 02:18:29,439 --> 02:18:30,719 out. 3096 02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:33,439 >> So, we're here just for any public 3097 02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:36,240 comments on this item. Um, you have 3098 02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:38,399 questions, mayor. 3099 02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:40,240 >> I know there was some concern from the 3100 02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:44,000 city that this semi timely. 3101 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,519 >> Correct. My understanding is the 3102 02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:48,000 planning commission is going to they're 3103 02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:51,040 in discussions uh talking on the 3 on 3104 02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,200 August 3rd to set a special meeting um 3105 02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:56,240 to be able to get that 3106 02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,719 so that it is not going to hurt the 3107 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:02,950 timeline. 3108 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:04,319 » That's my understanding is they're 3109 02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,399 trying to meet as quickly as possible 3110 02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:06,880 that 3111 02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:08,800 >> yes commissioner had 3112 02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:12,240 >> I I I think it's imperative that this 3113 02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,840 get done. Um, I know that the city has a 3114 02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:19,519 very strict timeline. Um, the mayor 3115 02:19:19,519 --> 02:19:22,000 called me right before I walked in here 3116 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,960 very, very, very upset that this wasn't 3117 02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:27,920 being done, that this isn't done. Um, I 3118 02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:29,439 think she said they started this process 3119 02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:33,040 in November. So, whatever we can do at a 3120 02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:34,639 planning commission level, county 3121 02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:36,319 commission level to help them get this 3122 02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,080 done, we need to get it done. 3123 02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,399 >> And I think that we are doing that. I 3124 02:19:40,399 --> 02:19:43,840 mean, hopefully she's not upset with the 3125 02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:45,760 process here because there is a legal 3126 02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:47,359 process that we have to follow and 3127 02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:49,840 that's what we're going to do. 3128 02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:52,880 >> We we will move forward and we'll open 3129 02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:55,280 this up to any comments from any 3130 02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:58,160 citizens who happen to be here to speak 3131 02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:01,040 on this major utility overlay if there 3132 02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:02,000 are any 3133 02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,439 >> and they may have left. 3134 02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:05,439 >> So, that being said, we're opening it. 3135 02:20:05,439 --> 02:20:07,920 So that time that will be done on our 3136 02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,080 end the public hearing 3137 02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:12,080 >> since we're opening it. 3138 02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,760 >> I'm I'm sorry. Can you re can you 3139 02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:15,520 rephrase that now if we want to open it? 3140 02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:16,640 If we open it now, we're going to have 3141 02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:18,399 to do it again. 3142 02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:21,359 >> I just wanted maybe to suggest may want 3143 02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:22,640 to do that if there's somebody that's 3144 02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:24,080 been sitting here for two hours. 3145 02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:26,080 >> Y gota 3146 02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:29,280 Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Thank you. 3147 02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:31,520 >> Okay. Once again, I will open this up to 3148 02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,080 citizens to speak if there are any on 3149 02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:37,280 this item. If not, we are going to 3150 02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,120 postpone this and send it back to the 3151 02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:40,880 planning commission. I know they're 3152 02:20:40,880 --> 02:20:43,600 attempting to put together a a meeting 3153 02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:45,520 as soon as possible to keep this thing 3154 02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:47,760 moving forward for the city. And I I 3155 02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:50,880 think we all realize the need for haste 3156 02:20:50,880 --> 02:20:52,960 on this and we'll do the best we can to 3157 02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:55,280 move it forward. 3158 02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:58,479 I do not see anyone overly eager to come 3159 02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:01,600 up here and speak. So with that, Andrew, 3160 02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:05,280 I think that we can wrap this one up. 3161 02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:10,469 >> I'm for the next item on the agenda. 3162 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:14,720 » Okay. Next, 3163 02:21:14,720 --> 02:21:18,000 we will move on to number six. 3164 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,240 Or are we? 3165 02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:22,479 We're postponing. We're items six and 3166 02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,319 seven and moving to item eight. Yes. 3167 02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:26,479 Thank you. 3168 02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:28,240 >> I'm sorry. Item nine 3169 02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,560 >> or no I'm sorry eight. We are going to 3170 02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:32,880 move on to ordinance water use and 3171 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:34,800 preservation element of the general 3172 02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,439 plan. Mr. Jackson again, planning and 3173 02:21:37,439 --> 02:21:39,600 zoning director. 3174 02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,520 >> Vice chair, members of the commission. I 3175 02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:43,280 am Andrew Jackson, the Grand County 3176 02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,600 Planner. Before you tonight is the final 3177 02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:47,200 adoption of the water use and 3178 02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,520 preservation element of the Grand County 3179 02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:55,270 General Plan under Utah code 17795043. 3180 02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,120 This element's been in the process for 3181 02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:00,240 over a year. Staff drafting, planning 3182 02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:01,760 commission review, public comment, 3183 02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:03,920 several rounds of revision. The document 3184 02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:05,920 in your packet is not the one that we 3185 02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:09,280 started with. That's because we listen. 3186 02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:10,960 Let me say one thing plainly. The 3187 02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:12,640 residents of this county have already 3188 02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:15,280 been doing the work. Demand reduction 3189 02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:20,399 here um is not just not a goal here, but 3190 02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:23,120 it's a measure of performance. Our water 3191 02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:25,840 users have already cut their per capita 3192 02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:29,680 use. In fact, it's lower than what the 3193 02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:33,120 um state is recommending for 2030. So, 3194 02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:35,520 we've already reduced our demand below 3195 02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,560 what the state recommends for 2030. This 3196 02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,720 element does not ask residents to start 3197 02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:43,120 conserving. They ask the county to plan 3198 02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:46,399 around conservation it's already have. 3199 02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:50,080 Ask commission ask that the commission 3200 02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:51,120 include [clears throat] 3201 02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:54,399 the new section five with the graphs in 3202 02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:56,240 the element as adopted that was 3203 02:22:56,240 --> 02:23:00,479 submitted um at your last meeting to you 3204 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:03,359 and if you need copies of that I've got 3205 02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:05,600 extra copies here. Basically what it 3206 02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:09,680 does is it adds graphs that detail what 3207 02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:12,800 could happen if there is uh conservation 3208 02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:16,800 and reduction on demand. Uh again the 3209 02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:19,520 gra graphs do something the text cannot 3210 02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:21,280 then let people see what demand 3211 02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:23,680 reduction actually accomplishes. How 3212 02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:26,720 much of our future we need uh how much 3213 02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:29,120 of our future need we can meet by 3214 02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:30,960 conserving instead of building new 3215 02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:34,560 supply comments. 3216 02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:37,359 Now the comments we received they fallen 3217 02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:40,160 into four areas. climate change, water 3218 02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,800 supply, use of the Colorado River, and 3219 02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:45,439 coordination with Moab. 3220 02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:48,319 All four are already addressed in the 3221 02:23:48,319 --> 02:23:51,040 water utility resource management plan 3222 02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:53,920 for the Moab Spanish Valley. 3223 02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:57,520 So if I look at this water element which 3224 02:23:57,520 --> 02:24:00,160 is a chapter in a general plan and then 3225 02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:02,800 they also look at conservation plans 3226 02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:05,600 it's kind of like doctors and you have a 3227 02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,120 specialist who's a specialist that's a 3228 02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:08,960 dermatologist and you have another 3229 02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:11,520 specialist that's a cardiologist. So, 3230 02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:13,680 they're both medical doctors and can do 3231 02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:16,080 certain things, but their specialties 3232 02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:18,399 break off and branch off. And that's 3233 02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:21,840 what we have with um our chapter of the 3234 02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,640 general plan that deals with water 3235 02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:27,120 and water conservation plans. They both 3236 02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:29,200 deal with water, but they branch off in 3237 02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,479 different directions. But the key is I 3238 02:24:32,479 --> 02:24:34,720 think here with the questions and 3239 02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,040 comments that we've received and what 3240 02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,200 most of those comments that we have 3241 02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:42,160 received are about climate change water 3242 02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,479 supply use of the Colorado in 3243 02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:47,520 coordination with Moab. Again, all four 3244 02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:51,120 of these are addressed in detail in the 3245 02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:53,920 water utility resource management plan 3246 02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:55,760 for mom and Spanish valley which also 3247 02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:57,280 included 3248 02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:00,720 um portion of uh San Juan County that is 3249 02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:03,439 in Spanish valley. This was done as a 3250 02:25:03,439 --> 02:25:06,319 half a million dollar study. They took 3251 02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:08,240 two years to do it. They made the 3252 02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:11,359 presentation last summer at Moab City in 3253 02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:15,120 Tiga and 3254 02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:18,960 those questions are answered in that 3255 02:25:18,960 --> 02:25:24,160 study. They shouldn't be in this chapter 3256 02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:25,840 because those are already answered 3257 02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:28,000 someplace else and we don't have the 3258 02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,600 time and energy to redo what they've 3259 02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:33,120 already done because it's already been 3260 02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:35,760 done. 3261 02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:38,640 The plan is a coalition effort. We lab 3262 02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:41,520 city is full full participating partner 3263 02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:44,479 alongside GISA and the San Juan Spanish 3264 02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,960 Valley District. 3265 02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:48,800 That analysis does not need to be 3266 02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:51,200 repeated here. If we duplicate it, we 3267 02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:52,211 end up with two documents 3268 02:25:52,211 --> 02:25:53,600 [clears throat] that drift apart and 3269 02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:55,840 contradict each other in a few years. 3270 02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:58,399 This element references that work and 3271 02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:00,479 stays consistent with it. So 3272 02:26:00,479 --> 02:26:02,800 coordination with MOAB is something this 3273 02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,720 element proposes 3274 02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:07,520 already exist. This element is written 3275 02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:12,160 to fit inside of it. In closing, 3276 02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:14,000 this element does not restrict any 3277 02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:17,600 property or property owner deny. It's a 3278 02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:19,600 policy framework. 3279 02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:22,800 It also doesn't um have any impact on 3280 02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:24,479 agricultural 3281 02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:26,720 watering. 3282 02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:28,960 Implementation comes back to you later 3283 02:26:28,960 --> 02:26:31,840 as ordinances with their own hearings 3284 02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:34,319 and their own findings. Staff recommends 3285 02:26:34,319 --> 02:26:35,600 adoption of the water use and 3286 02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,520 preservation element including the 3287 02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:40,399 revised section five graphs and I'd be 3288 02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:44,240 happy to answer any questions. 3289 02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:46,319 >> All right. I'm going to start with 3290 02:26:46,319 --> 02:26:48,479 Commissioner Martinez, Commissioner 3291 02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:51,680 Mccury, and anybody else? 3292 02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,359 >> I'll go ahead and start with the motion. 3293 02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:55,840 I move to approve the Grand County water 3294 02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:59,200 element as presented with the graphs. 3295 02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,080 >> Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second 3296 02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:03,920 by that a second. 3297 02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:05,120 >> That was a second because he stole my 3298 02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:06,000 motion. It's okay. 3299 02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:08,640 >> By Commissioner McCertie. Um, further 3300 02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:10,399 discussion. Did you have further 3301 02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:12,160 discussion, Brian, or were we 3302 02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:14,000 >> Yeah, I mean, I guess I can go ahead and 3303 02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:15,520 start and bring in a couple. 3304 02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,200 >> Trish had her hand up. I wasn't sure if 3305 02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:17,760 you were 3306 02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:18,960 >> I think I made the motion. I think that 3307 02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:22,000 I still have the floor. Please do. 3308 02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:24,880 So, um, just, you know, I'd like to 3309 02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:27,280 clear up a couple of things. Um, so 3310 02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:28,960 tonight we were we were brought the 3311 02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:32,240 state code that detailed how this water 3312 02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:35,359 element is supposed to be. So in that 3313 02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,920 code it says that Grand County will make 3314 02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:41,600 demand right reductions 3315 02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:43,600 >> and that we will go to our water 3316 02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:46,800 suppliers to talk about the supply and 3317 02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:48,560 then we will go to the division of water 3318 02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:51,680 quality to talk about any overlay 3319 02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:54,800 protection zones. Also inside of that 3320 02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:56,399 same state code, they talk about 3321 02:27:56,399 --> 02:27:58,640 transportation element, right? The word 3322 02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:01,439 element as in a section, right? We also 3323 02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:03,680 talk about the economic development 3324 02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:05,832 element that's inside there. 3325 02:28:05,832 --> 02:28:07,359 [clears throat] And in those elements, 3326 02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:11,359 it says shall as in we will do these 3327 02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:14,240 things. We will have all of these things 3328 02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:16,960 in. And then it also says inside of your 3329 02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:20,160 general plan, you may have an 3330 02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:22,399 environmental element. 3331 02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:25,040 >> Inside that chapter right there is all 3332 02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:27,040 of the things that we seem that we are 3333 02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:29,760 trying to go ahead and put in. So for 3334 02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:31,520 the folks who are really trying to come 3335 02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:33,520 up with all of these environmental 3336 02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:36,640 protections that requires an 3337 02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:39,280 environmental element inside of the 3338 02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:41,120 plant. So I just wanted to go ahead and 3339 02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:42,800 clear that up. And then I have quite a 3340 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:44,800 few other things that I that I wanted to 3341 02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:47,439 bring up here. Um, you know, Grand 3342 02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:49,760 County's uh culinary water is primarily 3343 02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:51,680 groundwater, right? Pumped through 3344 02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:53,920 valley aquifer and the Glen Canyon 3345 02:28:53,920 --> 02:28:56,160 aquifer and springs, right, which 3346 02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:58,399 recharges slowly via the West Sale 3347 02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:00,640 Mountain Snow. And Trish, I did go 3348 02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:03,520 through the uh uh um or some apologies. 3349 02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:08,150 Commissioner Hadine did go through 3350 02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:09,040 » by 3351 02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:11,920 >> the uh the red lines that you had and uh 3352 02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,720 um and and actually went 3353 02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:17,040 >> went through the uh um the additional 3354 02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:19,520 sources that you that you brought up. 3355 02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:21,439 And I also brought those sources to the 3356 02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:24,000 Grand County water uh uh uh to Grand 3357 02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:26,560 County Water and Sewer and they have 3358 02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:29,359 considered those elements or those uh uh 3359 02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:31,520 studies right there when they did their 3360 02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:34,240 conservation plan. So those those 3361 02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:36,800 studies have been considered inside of 3362 02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:39,120 the conservation plan. They are keeping 3363 02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:41,200 track of that right there. Um and 3364 02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:43,040 there's there's just some mistruths that 3365 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,439 have been spread both in the public 3366 02:29:45,439 --> 02:29:48,479 right in print and up here at the dis. 3367 02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,000 and and I'd like to take a couple of 3368 02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:51,439 minutes just to go through and address 3369 02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:54,000 those. So, first off, the claim that 3370 02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,080 Grand County Water plans to mine the 3371 02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:58,880 aquifer, right? Grand County Water 3372 02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:01,920 monitors culinary wells once a month and 3373 02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:05,040 the USGS monitors approximately 30 wells 3374 02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:07,840 in Spanish. Surprisingly, some of those 3375 02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:10,800 are up and some of those are down. 3376 02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,439 That's that's that's where we are. um 3377 02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:15,600 from the Grand County Water Conservancy 3378 02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:18,640 Plan, right? It emphasizes responsible 3379 02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:21,439 groundwater management through continued 3380 02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:24,160 monitoring, conservation, diversified 3381 02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:26,640 water supplies, and adaptive planning to 3382 02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:29,359 asssure long-term sustainability of the 3383 02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:31,600 AY's water resources. I believe pretty 3384 02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:33,840 close to what Gail had mentioned right 3385 02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:36,080 here. Um the second thing that I that 3386 02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:39,280 I've heard about is that uh uh that 3387 02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:41,760 Grant County Water is a private water 3388 02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:43,680 seller and because of this forecast 3389 02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:45,600 should not be relied on because the 3390 02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:48,399 agency benefits from selling more water. 3391 02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:51,600 Right. GISA is a service agency not a 3392 02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:53,439 private company whose objective is 3393 02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:56,160 maximizing profits. Water rates are 3394 02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:59,520 established to recover cost of operating 3395 02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:02,479 and maintaining water systems. Funds are 3396 02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:04,240 also used for investing in 3397 02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,399 infrastructure complying with state and 3398 02:31:06,399 --> 02:31:08,960 federal regulations, planning and water 3399 02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,840 needs as the public water provider for 3400 02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:15,200 its service area. It has a legal ob 3401 02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:17,600 obligation to provide services in 3402 02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,160 accordance with applicable law, water 3403 02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:23,359 rights, system capacity and agency 3404 02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:27,349 policies. 3405 02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:29,680 Number three that I had was that water 3406 02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:32,080 planning primarily relies on obtaining 3407 02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:34,560 additional water supplies. Right. The 3408 02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:37,760 2025 water conservation plan places 3409 02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:40,240 conservation at the forefront of the 3410 02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:43,200 agency strategy. The plan emphasizes 3411 02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:46,319 that reducing demand through water 3412 02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:49,439 conservation, leak dete detection, 3413 02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:51,439 system efficiency, 3414 02:31:51,439 --> 02:31:54,160 public education, tiered water rates, 3415 02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:56,720 irrigation efficiency, and ongoing 3416 02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:59,280 moderate monitoring before considering 3417 02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,600 the development of additional water 3418 02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:04,399 supplies. Right. And then the fourth one 3419 02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:07,120 which gets to some of the red lines is 3420 02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:09,520 that water planning does not address 3421 02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:12,160 climate change and long-term uh 3422 02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:14,800 uncertainty. The water conservation plan 3423 02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:17,920 discusses the impact of drought changing 3424 02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:21,120 hydraologic hydraological conditions 3425 02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:24,080 uncertainty in future water availability 3426 02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:26,399 groundwater monitoring and the need for 3427 02:32:26,399 --> 02:32:29,040 adaptive management. These issues are 3428 02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,120 recognized through the plan and are 3429 02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,520 incorporated through the long-term 3430 02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:36,720 conservation strategies and our supply 3431 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:40,080 was based off in our general water plan. 3432 02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:42,720 Okay. Couple of other things. 3433 02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:44,720 Historically, the state of Utah has had 3434 02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:48,640 a per capita water use averaging 223 3435 02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:51,840 gallons per person per capita. Gran 3436 02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:56,080 counties per capita daily consumption is 3437 02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:58,880 184. Our residents deserve the credit 3438 02:32:58,880 --> 02:33:01,439 for the work that they have done so far. 3439 02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:04,640 Right? Moab average is 269 3440 02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:09,840 and the state 2030 goal is 187 already 3441 02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:14,399 below the 2030 goal. Um the other thing 3442 02:33:14,399 --> 02:33:16,880 that has been brought up is tourism. And 3443 02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:19,040 so to help understand the impacts of 3444 02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:22,160 tourism on water, we can measure sewer 3445 02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:25,280 plant inflows which direct directly 3446 02:33:25,280 --> 02:33:28,000 capture indoor water use including 3447 02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:30,880 hotels and restaurants. The data shows 3448 02:33:30,880 --> 02:33:33,680 that at peak times of tourism, indoor 3449 02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:37,520 water use remains remarkably flat year 3450 02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:41,359 round and even year uh year-over-year. 3451 02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:44,080 While indoor consumption stays stable, 3452 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:47,280 total municipal and district water usage 3453 02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:50,479 skyrockets during hot summer months, 3454 02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:52,399 which also was mentioned inside of the 3455 02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:54,319 studies that that you presented on 3456 02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:57,600 Commissioner Ed. Looking at yearly uh uh 3457 02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:01,040 total water usage, early summers, right, 3458 02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:05,280 equal more watering, right? That's 3459 02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,359 the hotter it gets. The earlier it gets, 3460 02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,520 the more people start using that outdoor 3461 02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:13,280 water. That plus the wildfires, right, 3462 02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,200 are the biggest spikes that we see in 3463 02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:18,000 our poor water use on a total system uh 3464 02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:21,520 outlook. Um talking about the Colorado, 3465 02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:24,800 I mean the Colorado River, there's a lot that we need to clear up 3466 02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:27,120 there. When we talk about the Colorado, 3467 02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:28,319 we're talking about the future 3468 02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:30,960 development of secondary irrigation 3469 02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:33,600 water, right? So we can protect our 3470 02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,880 primary groundwater from being depleted. 3471 02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:39,920 every drop of secondary water that we 3472 02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:43,359 use is saved inside of our underground 3473 02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:45,520 storage. That's a concept I think that 3474 02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:51,040 we really need to all start taking into account. Um when we start looking 3475 02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:53,920 at places like Ashley Creek or up on the 3476 02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:56,319 Duchine River system, right, they talk 3477 02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:58,880 about curtailment. The curtailment there 3478 02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:01,920 is when natural flow has dropped. There 3479 02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:04,240 is not enough water, right? It's just 3480 02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:06,640 physically not there. That's the 3481 02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:08,479 curtailment that that folks are talking 3482 02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:10,720 about right now. It's not a curtailment 3483 02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:13,040 on their Colorado River whites rights. 3484 02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:16,800 It's just physically not there. Um Grand 3485 02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:19,600 County's primary vulnerability regarding 3486 02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:21,840 junior water rights, which our water 3487 02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:24,319 rights are actually in from the 1950s. 3488 02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:26,640 So they're middle of the pack um when 3489 02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:28,720 you look at them, um is tied to a 3490 02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:32,880 compact call. And if curtailment occurs, 3491 02:35:32,880 --> 02:35:35,520 junior rights would be legally cut off 3492 02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:38,560 to satisfy downstream arm obligations 3493 02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:40,479 regardless of whether is water flowing 3494 02:35:40,479 --> 02:35:43,040 past Moab at that moment or not. 3495 02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:45,760 However, the state engineer is 3496 02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:49,120 responsible the general administration, 3497 02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:52,399 supervision, measurement, appropriation 3498 02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:55,760 and distribution of those water. Right 3499 02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:58,960 now currently the state is creating a 3500 02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:02,399 priority distribution model. It would 3501 02:36:02,399 --> 02:36:04,640 provide localized data engineering 3502 02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,120 models legal analysis and it will 3503 02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:09,600 improve our decisionmaking process. 3504 02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,120 There's two things that we need to 3505 02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:12,240 consider when we look at the 3506 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:15,040 curtailment. The first right is do you 3507 02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:16,720 have water rights and what is your water 3508 02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:19,840 rate date right your priority but second 3509 02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:22,160 what is the availability of the water 3510 02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:24,800 itself right are you is there actually 3511 02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:27,520 going to be water available so those two 3512 02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:29,439 things right there will score where 3513 02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:30,880 you're going to be at on that 3514 02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:33,600 curtailment they plan on having that out 3515 02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:35,920 by the end of the year as we look at 3516 02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:40,080 into it um claiming our Colorado router 3517 02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:43,439 river rights are not valid right? Out of 3518 02:36:43,439 --> 02:36:46,160 immediate fear of curtailment, I believe 3519 02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:48,479 is just nothing more than a strategy to 3520 02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:51,520 create artificial water scarcity. Right? 3521 02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:54,080 I think that if the goal is to restrict 3522 02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:56,560 regional growth, then let's all just be 3523 02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:58,640 direct and saying that that's what we're 3524 02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:01,359 out for. Thank you, 3525 02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:02,880 >> Commissioner Haden. And then 3526 02:37:02,880 --> 02:37:04,080 Commissioner McCertie. 3527 02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:05,920 >> Will I be afforded the same amount of 3528 02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:06,880 time? 3529 02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:07,920 >> I um 3530 02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:09,439 >> I don't want to talk that long. I'm 3531 02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:11,120 joking. I don't want to talk that long. 3532 02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:11,840 anybody off 3533 02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:16,640 >> try to do the best I can. Um so it has 3534 02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:19,040 been a really laborious process. The 3535 02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:20,720 planning commission has worked really 3536 02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:24,000 hard. I have tried many times to you 3537 02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,640 know um be involved in this and was told 3538 02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,439 at multiple levels even the last um 3539 02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:31,120 public hearing that I could come with 3540 02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,040 the red line and we could move through 3541 02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,040 the red line. I did ask for this to be a 3542 02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:38,399 workshop. I was denied that. Um, and 3543 02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:41,280 then I I spoke with um, Chair McCandless 3544 02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:43,280 and she said, "Yeah, we we'll allow you 3545 02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,439 to go through it." [clears throat] 3546 02:37:45,439 --> 02:37:48,399 I I I'm just like I'm I'm exhausted at 3547 02:37:48,399 --> 02:37:50,479 this point, but I do want to point out 3548 02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:52,479 the things that I recommended and then I 3549 02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,880 want to go through a few comments um, 3550 02:37:54,880 --> 02:37:56,960 additional comments. So, the the things 3551 02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:59,920 that I think that I recommended 3552 02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:04,479 um I think are honestly pretty benign 3553 02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:06,640 um but I think they would have been nice 3554 02:38:06,640 --> 02:38:08,960 additions to our general plan. I think 3555 02:38:08,960 --> 02:38:11,120 one using climate information and 3556 02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,160 planning to make sure that we are not 3557 02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:17,200 exceeding our capacity for development 3558 02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:20,640 is important. And so just acknowledging 3559 02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:23,920 climate and natural water supply. God 3560 02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:25,760 forbid we use the term climate change, 3561 02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:28,319 but the reality is the climate is 3562 02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:30,800 changing and our water supply is 3563 02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,800 diminishing. I did listen to the Gwissa 3564 02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:35,600 meeting from Thursday and you know I 3565 02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:38,240 heard a lot of angst surrounding the 3566 02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:41,200 level of Kins Lake. Like I know that you 3567 02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:43,359 guys know what's happening and and and I 3568 02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:45,760 know that what's happening and so it was 3569 02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:49,120 simply just acknowledging that. Second, 3570 02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:51,520 um establishing a subcommittee, which we 3571 02:38:51,520 --> 02:38:54,960 now have many of them, to assemble 3572 02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:57,040 climate informed water data for 3573 02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:59,120 considering and planning decisions. And 3574 02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:01,200 those experts could be a variety pack. 3575 02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:03,040 They could be people from WISA, they 3576 02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,280 could be people from UGS, etc., and so 3577 02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,280 on. But I think it's something to 3578 02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:10,000 consider as we move forward because the 3579 02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:13,040 reality is the planning department is 3580 02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:17,040 very much a component of the development 3581 02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:19,680 of this valley. Lista is a water service 3582 02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:21,359 provider. Thompson Springs special 3583 02:39:21,359 --> 02:39:22,960 service district is a water service 3584 02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:25,680 provider. But the reality is we are in 3585 02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:29,520 charge of development in this county pro 3586 02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:33,680 making sure that we are protecting our 3587 02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:36,640 EPA designate designated soul source 3588 02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:38,399 aquifers and I think that's just a 3589 02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:40,960 really simple thing like that's not 3590 02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:43,120 asking much. It is our culinary water. 3591 02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:46,000 It's extremely important to um take care 3592 02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:48,800 of that water. And then lastly, 3593 02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:51,680 um, just manipulating that verbiage. Of 3594 02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:53,359 course, I think using Colorado River 3595 02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:55,359 water for irrigation is a fabulous idea. 3596 02:39:55,359 --> 02:39:56,800 Like, don't for secondary water, I think 3597 02:39:56,800 --> 02:39:58,560 it's a great idea, but just 3598 02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:01,680 acknowledging that that is really 3599 02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,280 theoretical 3600 02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:05,040 and and that's that's the verbiage that 3601 02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:07,120 I would have put in there. And just 3602 02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:09,280 acknowledging, you know, with that 3603 02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:11,760 hydraologic system is under extreme 3604 02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:13,359 pressure from supply and demand 3605 02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:15,280 imbalances, climate induced reductions 3606 02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,600 and snowpack recharge and depletions of 3607 02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:20,160 our storage reservoirs. And I wrote that 3608 02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:22,880 and I believe in it and so I will state 3609 02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:24,880 that. So those are the things that I was 3610 02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:26,800 concerned about. Here's here's my 3611 02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:29,600 additional comments to say that the 3612 02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:31,920 planning commission listened or that 3613 02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:33,920 we're listening. I'm going to disagree 3614 02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:36,720 with that statement. You had a lot of 3615 02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:38,560 public reaching out that wanted some 3616 02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:40,880 additions to this planning commissioners 3617 02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:42,880 that wanted some amendments. That didn't 3618 02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:45,200 happen. This idea that we're using the 3619 02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:47,840 best available science, 3620 02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:50,080 maybe we are, but what I asked for again 3621 02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:51,920 and again is that those were referenced 3622 02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:53,920 in that document. And there's no 3623 02:40:53,920 --> 02:40:55,760 referencing. And this is just me, the 3624 02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:57,359 professor coming out, but when we're 3625 02:40:57,359 --> 02:41:00,240 saying the best available science, I 3626 02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:01,600 want to see that science in that 3627 02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:03,040 document. And that's a simple that's a 3628 02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:05,280 simple ask, you know. 3629 02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:07,359 little foot footnote and providing a 3630 02:41:07,359 --> 02:41:08,880 reference. So to hear like best 3631 02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:10,640 available science, best available 3632 02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:15,439 science, like where is it? Um I do think 3633 02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:18,240 we're doing an okay job conserving 3634 02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:19,760 water, but but I want to make this 3635 02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:24,960 clear. Utah has the highest per capita water use in the United States. 3636 02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:27,600 The highest per capita. The average is 3637 02:41:27,600 --> 02:41:30,080 82 gallons a day. We're up around, would 3638 02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:33,280 you say, 180 to 200 gallons a day. So, 3639 02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:35,600 yes, we're doing better than the state 3640 02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:37,387 average, but could we do can 3641 02:41:37,387 --> 02:41:38,479 [clears throat] we start comparing 3642 02:41:38,479 --> 02:41:40,399 ourselves to the national average? 3643 02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:44,319 Probably not a bad idea. Um, 3644 02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:48,000 and then I guess I'm a little like yes, 3645 02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:50,160 we have the rump and we have the 3646 02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:53,280 conservation plan via, but this is a 3647 02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:56,560 part of our general plan. So, you know, 3648 02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:58,479 the county wasn't a part of the water 3649 02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:00,640 resource utility management plan. I went 3650 02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:02,479 to some of those planning meetings, but 3651 02:42:02,479 --> 02:42:05,439 we weren't a part of that. This is our 3652 02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:07,760 little own piece. So to keep saying, 3653 02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:11,120 well, it's already been done 3654 02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:13,600 that that doesn't alleviate our 3655 02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:17,600 responsibility to put something that is 3656 02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:20,479 to me holistic and acknowledging what's 3657 02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:23,439 happening in our own document. So I 3658 02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:25,120 won't be voting for this. I do 3659 02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,359 appreciate the amount of work that 3660 02:42:27,359 --> 02:42:29,280 Andrew put into this that the planning 3661 02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:31,439 commission put into this that Brian that 3662 02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:33,439 I've tried to put into it. I did I went 3663 02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:39,359 through this document again and again and again and put a lot of and it never was anyways never came to 3664 02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:42,560 fruition but um that's kind of where I'm 3665 02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:43,760 Thank you. 3666 02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,640 >> Thank you. doing that. 3667 02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,880 >> It came right at the right time. Right. 3668 02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:50,640 >> Commissioner, 3669 02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:52,960 you're next. Commissioner Hler, 3670 02:42:52,960 --> 02:42:55,840 >> as is in the room, uh, thank you for the 3671 02:42:55,840 --> 02:42:57,120 I just want to tell you, thank you. I 3672 02:42:57,120 --> 02:42:58,080 know we're we're talking about this 3673 02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,479 right now, but thank you for the uh 3674 02:43:00,479 --> 02:43:03,680 explanation you actually put on for uh 3675 02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:05,359 candidates and elected officials. I know 3676 02:43:05,359 --> 02:43:07,359 there people in the room can't be seen 3677 02:43:07,359 --> 02:43:09,200 right now, but thank you for doing that. 3678 02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:12,240 It was honestly eye opening to not think 3679 02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:15,200 that this is uh some of this is 3680 02:43:15,200 --> 02:43:18,000 theoretical. It was it it's actually in 3681 02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:21,680 practice. So thank you for that 3682 02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:24,000 >> commissioner. Thanks 3683 02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:27,600 >> Marine. Sounds wonderful. 3684 02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:29,359 >> You can all listen here. 3685 02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:32,080 >> Um yeah, again yeah definitely thank you 3686 02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:33,920 to everyone who who participated in 3687 02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:37,520 this. Um, I'm I think I think Trish's 3688 02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:39,920 recommendations are are common sense, 3689 02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:42,479 reasonable, that they don't clash with 3690 02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:44,720 what's mandated by the state. I I would 3691 02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:46,560 absolutely prefer to see those in this 3692 02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:49,279 plan. I will vote for this plan. I I we 3693 02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:52,160 need it. Um, 3694 02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:53,840 but I think we could I think we could do 3695 02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:56,399 better and I think it's also the general 3696 02:43:56,399 --> 02:44:00,960 plan is a living document. Things can change and can be adapted. 3697 02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:02,800 So, I look forward to to that in the 3698 02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:06,790 future. Thanks. 3699 02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:08,960 » Okay. Mary, did you have anything? Or 3700 02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:10,880 Commissioner McCandless, did you want to 3701 02:44:10,880 --> 02:44:19,590 weigh in? 3702 02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:20,720 » Yeah. 3703 02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:22,080 >> Did you have anything, Commissioner 3704 02:44:22,080 --> 02:44:24,160 McCandless? Um, I just think that the 3705 02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:26,479 planning and zoning department or 3706 02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:29,200 commission went over this back and forth 3707 02:44:29,200 --> 02:44:31,279 and back and forth and I'm happy to 3708 02:44:31,279 --> 02:44:33,120 accept their recommendation and pass it 3709 02:44:33,120 --> 02:44:36,000 tonight. 3710 02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:38,560 >> All right. Thank you. Um, I'll make a 3711 02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:40,560 few comments and then call for a vote if 3712 02:44:40,560 --> 02:44:42,240 you don't have anything, Mary. 3713 02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:43,359 >> Right. No, I don't. 3714 02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:47,359 >> Okay. I'm glad to see that um Trish that 3715 02:44:47,359 --> 02:44:49,200 you see that the Colorado River using 3716 02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:51,279 that water for irrigation is a good idea 3717 02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:54,080 because I really think that if we want 3718 02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:56,560 to get serious about protecting our 3719 02:44:56,560 --> 02:44:59,439 aquifer in this valley that that that's 3720 02:44:59,439 --> 02:45:02,479 going to come at a price. 3721 02:45:02,479 --> 02:45:05,520 Any secondary water is going to come at 3722 02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:07,680 a price. whether we pump it from the 3723 02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:11,040 Colorado River or we utilize flood 3724 02:45:11,040 --> 02:45:14,319 mitigation efforts to protect, you know, 3725 02:45:14,319 --> 02:45:16,240 not only our homeowners in the valley, 3726 02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:19,120 but then to um utilize that water for 3727 02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:21,359 future irrigation. There there's a lot 3728 02:45:21,359 --> 02:45:22,800 of different things that we can be 3729 02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:25,439 doing. And there's a lot of counties in 3730 02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:27,359 the state of Utah that are already 3731 02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:29,279 making those efforts. They're planning 3732 02:45:29,279 --> 02:45:31,760 for the future because Utah is a very 3733 02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:36,560 arid, dry, deserty state. And we have to 3734 02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:38,640 look to the future and part of the 3735 02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:41,520 future is the Colorado River and our 3736 02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:44,960 water rights there. And any secondary 3737 02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:48,000 water comes at a cost whether it's there 3738 02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,640 and and to get us on secondary water. I 3739 02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:53,279 wish that I had it at my house. I wish I 3740 02:45:53,279 --> 02:45:56,399 had irrigation water. So I I do see the 3741 02:45:56,399 --> 02:46:00,000 value in moving towards some secondary 3742 02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:02,399 water for the entire valley and the 3743 02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:03,920 conservation that would do on our 3744 02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:07,200 aquifer. I I do know that we constantly 3745 02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:09,680 have a lot of people who voice their 3746 02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:12,720 opinion from Castle Valley on protecting 3747 02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:16,080 this aquafer when I wonder if their 3748 02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:18,240 efforts wouldn't be better utilized 3749 02:46:18,240 --> 02:46:20,960 protecting the Castle Valley aquafer. 3750 02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:24,399 And until Castle Valley starts looking 3751 02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:28,000 towards a sewage treatment, 3752 02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:29,439 they're not protecting their own 3753 02:46:29,439 --> 02:46:32,240 aquifer. There has to be sewage 3754 02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:34,479 treatment at some point when the entire 3755 02:46:34,479 --> 02:46:37,520 or the majority of Castle Valley aquifer 3756 02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:40,880 is overlaid with a gravel bar. It it 3757 02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:42,960 it's just natural that those septic 3758 02:46:42,960 --> 02:46:44,560 systems are leeching into their own 3759 02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:46,880 aquifer. And I think there's plenty of 3760 02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:49,359 room in that aquafer to be protecting it 3761 02:46:49,359 --> 02:46:52,399 as well. But with that, um, again, I 3762 02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:54,560 think that I appreciate your work, 3763 02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,240 Andrew. I appreciate the work of the 3764 02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:58,319 planning department. And with that, I'll 3765 02:46:58,319 --> 02:47:01,040 call for a vote. All those in favor of 3766 02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:03,439 this motion. 3767 02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:06,560 Those opposed. 3768 02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:09,359 And Melody, I didn't see your hand. Was 3769 02:47:09,359 --> 02:47:11,520 Did you put it? Okay. Thank you. All 3770 02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:15,359 right. So, that passes. Six in favor 3771 02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:17,760 with one opposed. Commissioner Hadine. 3772 02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:22,240 And with that, we can move on to 3773 02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:24,960 I believe the bur oaks 3774 02:47:24,960 --> 02:47:30,309 subdivision 3775 02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:32,560 and the rain. 3776 02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:33,760 >> Ready? [clears throat] 3777 02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:35,120 >> Yes, sir. 3778 02:47:35,120 --> 02:47:38,000 Uh, this proposal would reszone a vacant 3779 02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:41,279 5 acre parcel at 4500 South Zimmerman 3780 02:47:41,279 --> 02:47:43,680 Lane just south of the Blue Vista 3781 02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:45,840 subdivision from rural residential to 3782 02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:48,319 large lot residential. A change would 3783 02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:51,200 allow about an 8 and a half acre uh, 3784 02:47:51,200 --> 02:47:54,000 excuse me, about eight halfacre single 3785 02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:56,000 family lots. Obviously, we're not 3786 02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:57,680 discussing the subdivision at this 3787 02:47:57,680 --> 02:48:00,399 point. This is just the zones. The 3788 02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:03,200 Spanish Valley future land use plan uh 3789 02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,439 maps this area as moderate scale 3790 02:48:05,439 --> 02:48:08,160 neighborhood which allows somewhat uh 3791 02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:11,200 more housing than what is proposed 3792 02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:13,040 even though we can't talk about that. 3793 02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:15,120 staff recommends commission take public 3794 02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:17,520 comment uh which you've already received 3795 02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:19,600 some at the previous meeting and I think 3796 02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:23,200 there's been two um public comment that 3797 02:48:23,200 --> 02:48:26,720 was received uh digitally and was in 3798 02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:30,160 your backup material um that you review 3799 02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:33,439 it and then [clears throat] um make a re 3800 02:48:33,439 --> 02:48:35,439 well and make a recommendation for 3801 02:48:35,439 --> 02:48:37,600 approval or denial. One of the questions 3802 02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:39,200 though or not a question but a comment 3803 02:48:39,200 --> 02:48:44,479 on this is we have seen a a number of 3804 02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:46,800 subdivisions or subdivision requests in 3805 02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:50,479 this general area and I think it would 3806 02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:54,640 probably be good if we could maybe um as 3807 02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:58,000 the county um 3808 02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:02,080 sponsor a limited subreional 3809 02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:06,080 transportation traffic analysis 3810 02:49:06,080 --> 02:49:09,359 um on study on this general area so we 3811 02:49:09,359 --> 02:49:11,600 can figure out does this road need to go 3812 02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:12,880 through, does that road need to go 3813 02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:15,439 through? Does the city be widened? How 3814 02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:18,319 will we want to have access to this just 3815 02:49:18,319 --> 02:49:21,520 because we've had several active um 3816 02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:23,920 applications in this area as well as 3817 02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:26,240 several people that have come to me just 3818 02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:29,439 in the department and ask about um 3819 02:49:29,439 --> 02:49:32,000 development in this area. And so I'd 3820 02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:35,680 recommend we we can't do it at zone 3821 02:49:35,680 --> 02:49:39,680 change that's appropriate at um actually 3822 02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:43,439 the subvision stage to request uh a tra 3823 02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:46,080 traffic information traffic analysis 3824 02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:49,439 plan um just because the zone change it 3825 02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:52,080 could still be one house or it could be 3826 02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:55,920 eight houses but once uh subdivisions 3827 02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:58,800 applied for um look at that but I think 3828 02:49:58,800 --> 02:50:01,520 it's a bigger p picture that we need to 3829 02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:03,760 look at. And it's not just this straw 3830 02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:13,990 that breaks the camel's back. Look at 3831 02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:16,640 questions, 3832 02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:22,870 thoughts, motion. 3833 02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:24,880 I'll start with some questions. Are you 3834 02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:26,479 ready? 3835 02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:27,040 Go ahead. 3836 02:50:27,040 --> 02:50:29,840 >> I know that we 3837 02:50:29,840 --> 02:50:32,560 didn't approve the Novak zone because of 3838 02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:35,680 the very issues that are brought up by 3839 02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:38,479 two of the letters that we have in here. 3840 02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:40,960 And that's the impact on Zimmerman going 3841 02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:43,680 through there. And it was my 3842 02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:46,880 recollection that we asked or that I 3843 02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:49,600 asked specifically that we look to do a 3844 02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:52,160 traffic study in that area before we did 3845 02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:56,319 any upzoning in that area. And and with 3846 02:50:56,319 --> 02:51:00,160 the NOVAc, help me if I miss it, but um 3847 02:51:00,160 --> 02:51:01,200 I think that they were 3848 02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:03,439 >> Yeah, they it never we didn't they 3849 02:51:03,439 --> 02:51:05,680 pulled their application. We still had 3850 02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:09,279 conversations and said that there was 3851 02:51:09,279 --> 02:51:10,640 traffic was a big issue. 3852 02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,880 >> You're correct. We they did pull it. It 3853 02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:14,560 was not voted down. 3854 02:51:14,560 --> 02:51:15,359 >> Yeah. 3855 02:51:15,359 --> 02:51:19,040 >> So again, that is an issue. Now, you 3856 02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:20,960 know, for the record, I have a son that 3857 02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:24,720 lives on Zimmerman and um he hasn't, but 3858 02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:28,319 his partner has is one of those against 3859 02:51:28,319 --> 02:51:30,000 this. So, I just want that out there for 3860 02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:33,040 the disclosure, but that's not my 3861 02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:34,640 concern. 3862 02:51:34,640 --> 02:51:38,880 The concern is is that this area has a 3863 02:51:38,880 --> 02:51:41,600 huge traffic issue. 3864 02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:44,319 >> That that sub area definitely needs to 3865 02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:47,920 have traffic analysis of that sub area. 3866 02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:48,399 that we 3867 02:51:48,399 --> 02:51:50,240 >> and and honestly I just think it needs 3868 02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:53,040 to happen before we can upzone anything 3869 02:51:53,040 --> 02:51:55,279 to allow for that. Commissioner Edin, go 3870 02:51:55,279 --> 02:51:56,880 ahead. 3871 02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:00,160 >> Well, I I think in general reszones and 3872 02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:03,120 I and I really wish and I know Andrew I 3873 02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:06,240 know that it's an ordinance, but I in 3874 02:52:06,240 --> 02:52:08,399 the end it's a reszone and so I would 3875 02:52:08,399 --> 02:52:10,240 appreciate because I think for the 3876 02:52:10,240 --> 02:52:11,920 general public they're used to that term 3877 02:52:11,920 --> 02:52:13,840 reszone, but I would love to just kind 3878 02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:17,760 of keep that title. Um 3879 02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:20,604 I think in the end this is where 3880 02:52:20,604 --> 02:52:22,640 [laughter] and I keep saying it I keep 3881 02:52:22,640 --> 02:52:25,359 saying it. I think we need to pull on 3882 02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:28,560 the R pull the reinss on reszones until 3883 02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:31,120 we have land use code update but more 3884 02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:33,920 importantly a land use an updated land 3885 02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:35,760 use map because I do think with an 3886 02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:37,200 updated land use map where we're 3887 02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:39,200 literally saying okay now we're cutting 3888 02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:41,040 corners right because right now our map 3889 02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:44,000 is this future land use map which is 3890 02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:47,120 blobby because it was people coming to 3891 02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:49,040 meetings and we were putting stickers on 3892 02:52:49,040 --> 02:52:51,680 a map and going well this area in theory 3893 02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:53,840 will be this and this area in theory 3894 02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:56,880 will be that that is not a zoning map. I 3895 02:52:56,880 --> 02:52:58,800 want to make that very clear. It is not. 3896 02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:01,439 When we get to a zoning map stage, it 3897 02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:04,160 will have 90 degree angles, right? And 3898 02:53:04,160 --> 02:53:07,120 hopefully also within that we will be 3899 02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:08,800 acknowledging 3900 02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:12,000 the road systems and what it can bear. I 3901 02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:14,160 agree. I mean, I I I won't say that. I 3902 02:53:14,160 --> 02:53:15,520 don't know what you were po pointing 3903 02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,520 out, but and maybe I missed it, Phil, 3904 02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:22,720 but um I think this area is and and I'm 3905 02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:24,479 actually more concerned about Stocks 3906 02:53:24,479 --> 02:53:26,319 Drive and the acceleration and 3907 02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:29,359 deceleration lane. We had a member of 3908 02:53:29,359 --> 02:53:32,319 our community and her son killed there. 3909 02:53:32,319 --> 02:53:34,160 The reality is we do not have the 3910 02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:36,479 infrastructure at that intersection to 3911 02:53:36,479 --> 02:53:39,200 bear the weight of this these types of 3912 02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,920 upzones. And I think until we have that 3913 02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:44,240 holistic view and that map in place and 3914 02:53:44,240 --> 02:53:46,319 then the roads department starts going 3915 02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:48,720 and UD do start and and I know we had 3916 02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:51,680 that UD do meeting recently where that 3917 02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:56,560 was kind of one of the main consensus that came out of that was like 3918 02:53:56,560 --> 02:53:58,720 acceleration and deceleration lanes 3919 02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:01,040 right that really helped like OSA that 3920 02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:04,160 helps tremendously that is such stock 3921 02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:05,680 drive coming out of there and I do it 3922 02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:07,680 all the time because now I roll through 3923 02:54:07,680 --> 02:54:11,760 Zimmerman because you know, it's it's a 3924 02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:14,880 shortcut, right? And what um it was 3925 02:54:14,880 --> 02:54:17,040 actually Russ Tangren recommended to me 3926 02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:18,399 and I know I think we're we're looking 3927 02:54:18,399 --> 02:54:20,720 at that there is that sit parcel or 3928 02:54:20,720 --> 02:54:23,359 Trustlands parcel um near there that 3929 02:54:23,359 --> 02:54:25,680 it's like could we get an artery coming 3930 02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:29,200 off of Spanish valley onto 191 that 3931 02:54:29,200 --> 02:54:30,640 you're not cutting through neighborhoods 3932 02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:32,560 but we don't have it. So to keep 3933 02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:36,240 upzoning that area I think is really 3934 02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:38,880 scary. And then the last thing I want to 3935 02:54:38,880 --> 02:54:41,359 state is one of the things that one of 3936 02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:42,880 our planning commissioners always said 3937 02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:45,840 is like personal property rights and 3938 02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:49,040 it's and he's right but the reality is I 3939 02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:51,120 moved into rural residential I don't 3940 02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:53,439 know how many years ago 20 years ago 3941 02:54:53,439 --> 02:54:54,960 because I wanted to live in rural 3942 02:54:54,960 --> 02:54:58,160 residential. I lived up on Juniper on a 3943 02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:00,160 1acre parcel and then I moved on to 3944 02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:03,920 Heather he heaven sorry Heather and on 3945 02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:05,439 to easy street because I want to live in 3946 02:55:05,439 --> 02:55:07,439 rural residential. I don't want to live 3947 02:55:07,439 --> 02:55:09,439 in large lot and I don't want to live in 3948 02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:12,000 small lot. If I wanted to live in those, 3949 02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,840 I would move into town and that's not 3950 02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:15,600 what I want to do. I want to have some 3951 02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:17,600 pigs. I want to have some chickens. I 3952 02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:19,120 want my rooster to crow and I don't want 3953 02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:22,160 to have people complain about it. And so 3954 02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:27,600 I think in the end it's like this it's kind of a the more that we reszone 3955 02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:29,920 areas where people have moved because 3956 02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:35,680 that's the feel that they want. It's just a like a I'm not going to use 3957 02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:38,240 that terminology, but like screw you to 3958 02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:41,840 your neighbors, right? And and I I will 3959 02:55:41,840 --> 02:55:44,000 tell you I have some very active 3960 02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:46,399 neighbors that are constantly watching 3961 02:55:46,399 --> 02:55:48,080 planning and zoning because that's why 3962 02:55:48,080 --> 02:55:49,840 they moved out there. So, I do just want 3963 02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:52,240 you guys to think about that that it's 3964 02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:55,920 not I'm not a nimi. It's not it's I want 3965 02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:59,279 people to to have a place to live, but I 3966 02:55:59,279 --> 02:56:01,040 also want to have some respect that 3967 02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:02,880 people want to live in rural residential 3968 02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:06,000 because they want that feel, right? Like 3969 02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:07,920 I don't want people complaining about my 3970 02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:10,399 hound dogs and my chickens because 3971 02:56:10,399 --> 02:56:14,240 they're right backed up against me. Um, 3972 02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:16,319 so I think until we h I think we should 3973 02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:18,880 think really carefully about until we 3974 02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:21,439 have the land use code update, until we 3975 02:56:21,439 --> 02:56:24,720 actually have the land use map that we 3976 02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,800 pull the reinss on these up zones and we 3977 02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:29,439 keep doing it and I and it's it's a 3978 02:56:29,439 --> 02:56:33,110 little scary to me. 3979 02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:34,880 » I want to respond, Mike, and then I'll 3980 02:56:34,880 --> 02:56:37,040 go to you 3981 02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:40,399 clarify. I am not against the up zone. 3982 02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:42,560 I'm against that. I think we have the 3983 02:56:42,560 --> 02:56:46,720 cart in front of the horse here. I I I 3984 02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:48,240 don't know how we get there, Andrew. And 3985 02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:50,000 I I'm looking for you for that. 3986 02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,080 >> And and this is this is clearly a 3987 02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:53,760 legislative 3988 02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:56,560 item, right? That it's not 3989 02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:58,080 administrative or anything like that. 3990 02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:00,319 So, you have your legislative powers to 3991 02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:02,160 do what you would like, 3992 02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:02,479 >> right? 3993 02:57:02,479 --> 02:57:06,160 >> Um I agree that this area has seen an 3994 02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:08,640 uptick in applications. 3995 02:57:08,640 --> 02:57:12,880 Um, and I also agree that the existing 3996 02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:16,080 transportation network in the area 3997 02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:18,880 um should be revised and should be 3998 02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:20,560 reviewed. 3999 02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:23,840 Um, and I I think that that's probably a 4000 02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:26,240 substyreional 4001 02:57:26,240 --> 02:57:28,560 transportation study that should be 4002 02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:30,319 conducted. Again, 4003 02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:30,640 >> so 4004 02:57:30,640 --> 02:57:32,240 >> you have legislative powers of whatever 4005 02:57:32,240 --> 02:57:35,520 you want to do on a regional 4006 02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:38,160 application. You can deny it, you can 4007 02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:41,120 hold it, you can do whatever you like. 4008 02:57:41,120 --> 02:57:44,080 I do though also uh agree that there 4009 02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:46,319 needs to be some type of a regional 4010 02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:48,000 transportation, not subregional 4011 02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:51,600 transportation network study that area. 4012 02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:54,319 >> So, 4013 02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:57,120 do we not have impact fees that could 4014 02:57:57,120 --> 02:58:01,920 pay for a study there? I mean, where do we pull this money from have to 4015 02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:03,920 add another item to our budget that 4016 02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:04,560 we're 4017 02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:06,000 >> Yeah. So, impact fees can do 4018 02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:07,200 transportation studies. 4019 02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:10,960 >> And then would it not benefit this 4020 02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:13,359 client to wait until we've had that 4021 02:58:13,359 --> 02:58:16,880 study done to find out? Or the other 4022 02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:18,880 thing that I might suggest is that they 4023 02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:22,080 join the existing PUD, right? Or 4024 02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:23,760 whatever the subdivision that's on 4025 02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:25,760 Zimmerman Lane, the Blue Vista, and go 4026 02:58:25,760 --> 02:58:28,560 through their homeowners association and 4027 02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:30,720 become just enlarge what's existing 4028 02:58:30,720 --> 02:58:32,560 there already if they want to go that 4029 02:58:32,560 --> 02:58:32,880 route. 4030 02:58:32,880 --> 02:58:36,240 >> Yeah. It's 100% your your call as to 4031 02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:37,840 what you want to do. 4032 02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:40,319 >> Okay. And I've got Commissioner 4033 02:58:40,319 --> 02:58:43,840 McCandless. Um, please go ahead and then 4034 02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:46,479 >> Thank you. 4035 02:58:46,479 --> 02:58:48,240 >> So, I just want to note that, you know, 4036 02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:51,520 they are asking for two lots per acre 4037 02:58:51,520 --> 02:58:53,600 instead of one. And anything that's 4038 02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:55,200 going to be rural residential in this 4039 02:58:55,200 --> 02:58:56,720 county that's going to be oneacre lots 4040 02:58:56,720 --> 02:58:58,720 is going to be ridiculously expensive. 4041 02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:00,240 So, we're just keeping homes for 4042 02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:01,840 millionaires out there in the valley in 4043 02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:04,800 that real residential area. And so, I'm 4044 02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:08,160 100% for this proposal. I think that 4045 02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:10,319 they are willing to take two of the 4046 02:59:10,319 --> 02:59:13,359 acres to create their own road out there 4047 02:59:13,359 --> 02:59:15,200 so that they, you know, we'll just have 4048 02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:18,160 one access point in and out of Zimmerman 4049 02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:19,840 or Stocks or however it ends up being. 4050 02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:21,359 I'm not going to look at the site plan 4051 02:59:21,359 --> 02:59:23,520 right now because that is irrelevant to 4052 02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:25,680 the fact that this is going to be um 4053 02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:27,200 that we're going to allow them to put 4054 02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:29,920 eight eight homes in five acres and 4055 02:59:29,920 --> 02:59:31,439 that's happening out that's already 4056 02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:32,720 happened out there. That's what's 4057 02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:36,080 happening in that PD that you uh already 4058 02:59:36,080 --> 02:59:39,040 suggested. But I think that I agree that 4059 02:59:39,040 --> 02:59:41,040 we need to have a transportation plan 4060 02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:42,560 out there. But I also don't think that 4061 02:59:42,560 --> 02:59:44,800 we just keep stopping people from being 4062 02:59:44,800 --> 02:59:47,600 able to build the homes that they want. 4063 02:59:47,600 --> 02:59:50,080 You know, and I and I live in town. I do 4064 02:59:50,080 --> 02:59:52,160 not live out there, but I know in town 4065 02:59:52,160 --> 02:59:54,319 we have people that continue to buy the 4066 02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:57,359 homes in town and destroy the 4067 02:59:57,359 --> 02:59:58,640 neighborhoods. We don't have kids riding 4068 02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:00,319 bikes anymore. We don't have families in 4069 03:00:00,319 --> 03:00:02,080 town because people have bought the 4070 03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:04,560 homes in town and then spent hundreds of 4071 03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:07,840 thousand dollars to reinvest in them and 4072 03:00:07,840 --> 03:00:10,240 they only come to town a couple of 4073 03:00:10,240 --> 03:00:12,319 months or weeks out of the year. Whereas 4074 03:00:12,319 --> 03:00:14,000 if they had homes out in the valley that 4075 03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:16,640 were, you know, one home on a half acre 4076 03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:18,399 that they would buy those and that they 4077 03:00:18,399 --> 03:00:20,800 would come out there and visit Moab on 4078 03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:22,080 their, you know, free time and it would 4079 03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:24,560 be a second home. And that's what it 4080 03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:26,000 should be out there in the valley and in 4081 03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:27,920 the homes in the neighborhoods in town. 4082 03:00:27,920 --> 03:00:29,439 We need to have neighborhoods. So I am 4083 03:00:29,439 --> 03:00:30,880 protecting the neighborhoods in town and 4084 03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:34,960 I 100% for this um reszone ordinance 4085 03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:36,640 resolution, whatever you want to call it 4086 03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:37,920 there. 4087 03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:40,880 >> And I don't have the vote. Uh, I thought 4088 03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:42,800 I had it in my my documents. I was 4089 03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:44,080 looking back. I don't have the vote of 4090 03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:45,520 the planning commission, but it was 4091 03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:50,399 either unanimous or one opposed. 4092 03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:52,240 >> Quick followup and then I'll get to Mike 4093 03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:53,439 and Trish. [clears throat] 4094 03:00:53,439 --> 03:00:56,160 There's two questions. 4095 03:00:56,160 --> 03:00:58,640 How much is this traffic study going to 4096 03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:00,319 cost? I mean, when we're talking about 4097 03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:02,720 we have impact fees that could be paying 4098 03:01:02,720 --> 03:01:07,680 for it and when, right? Because if if 4099 03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,680 these people win or lose the vote 4100 03:01:09,680 --> 03:01:11,520 tonight, there's going to be somebody 4101 03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:13,439 else come forward. And we can't keep 4102 03:01:13,439 --> 03:01:16,080 putting this off when we know that, as 4103 03:01:16,080 --> 03:01:18,319 Trish said, there were deaths out on 191 4104 03:01:18,319 --> 03:01:21,120 at Stocks Drive. We've had near misses 4105 03:01:21,120 --> 03:01:23,760 on Zimmerman. I I mean, I parked there 4106 03:01:23,760 --> 03:01:25,600 in front of my son's house regularly. 4107 03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:27,279 It's tough to get through there. Whether 4108 03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:28,800 it's the neighbors cutting through as 4109 03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:31,040 Trish does or just the neighbors trying 4110 03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:32,720 to come and go to their own 4111 03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:36,560 >> speed to their own homes in there. So, 4112 03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:39,120 there's a huge issue of traffic in that 4113 03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,200 area and and that's where I'm at on it. 4114 03:01:41,200 --> 03:01:42,960 So, dollar-wise, I would like to know 4115 03:01:42,960 --> 03:01:44,080 what that that amount 4116 03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:45,920 >> I don't have the number off, but okay. 4117 03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:47,040 >> It'sable. 4118 03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:48,960 >> And I think Mike and then I believe it 4119 03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:53,520 was Trish next or was I'm sorry, was no 4120 03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:54,000 good. 4121 03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:55,200 >> Okay. 4122 03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:56,960 I don't disagree with the direction 4123 03:01:56,960 --> 03:01:59,120 there. I'd really like that study done. 4124 03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:01,680 But in the same uh token, I'd like to 4125 03:02:01,680 --> 03:02:03,680 make the motion after reviewing the 4126 03:02:03,680 --> 03:02:05,439 staff report, the applicant statement, 4127 03:02:05,439 --> 03:02:07,200 public comments, the Spanish Valley 4128 03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:11,359 future land use plan, and the rules in 4129 03:02:11,359 --> 03:02:15,040 land use code section 9.2.5 2.5 and 4130 03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:16,560 finding that the reszone from bro 4131 03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:18,960 residential to large lot residential 4132 03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:21,120 fits the general plan and future land 4133 03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:24,000 use plan and meets the reasonzoning 4134 03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:27,120 rules along with findings it fit number 4135 03:02:27,120 --> 03:02:29,920 one fits the county general plan and 4136 03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:32,319 Spanish valley future land use plan two 4137 03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:35,439 supports orally efficient land use three 4138 03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:37,439 fits nearby development including blue 4139 03:02:37,439 --> 03:02:41,600 vista subdivision four can be served by 4140 03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:44,720 enough public services. Five does not 4141 03:02:44,720 --> 03:02:49,120 harm public health, safety, or welfare. 4142 03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:50,560 >> Like to approve. 4143 03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:53,040 >> Motion by Commissioner McCertie. Do we 4144 03:02:53,040 --> 03:02:55,279 have a second? 4145 03:02:55,279 --> 03:02:56,880 >> Second. 4146 03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,520 by Commissioner McCandless. 4147 03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:03,120 Further comment, Trish. 4148 03:03:03,120 --> 03:03:05,279 >> I was going to make a mot so it's Thank 4149 03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:08,710 you. 4150 03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:10,000 » Minute to build that. 4151 03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:12,000 >> All right. So motion by Commissioner 4152 03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:13,760 McCertie, second by Commissioner 4153 03:03:13,760 --> 03:03:15,840 McCandless. I'll call for a vote. Those 4154 03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:17,760 in favor? 4155 03:03:17,760 --> 03:03:18,960 >> I. 4156 03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:22,000 >> And those opposed? 4157 03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:25,439 The post the motion fails. Read four. 4158 03:03:25,439 --> 03:03:27,279 The four against. Commissioner Hadine, 4159 03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:29,120 Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner Mcan, 4160 03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:32,319 and myself, Commissioner Winfield. 4161 03:03:32,319 --> 03:03:34,560 >> I [clears throat] um think we've got to 4162 03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:36,960 get serious about a traffic study. 4163 03:03:36,960 --> 03:03:37,200 >> Yes. 4164 03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:38,720 >> In that area. Yes. 4165 03:03:38,720 --> 03:03:42,640 >> Agree bill. Absolutely. 4166 03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:45,040 >> We can't do anything to 4167 03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:46,240 >> a denial. 4168 03:03:46,240 --> 03:03:47,520 >> Yes. 4169 03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:49,920 >> Or three. 4170 03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:56,150 >> Yes. All right. Moving on from 4171 03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:58,560 that, we are up to a resolution 4172 03:03:58,560 --> 03:04:00,560 establishing an audit coordination 4173 03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:03,520 incentive program for component units of 4174 03:04:03,520 --> 03:04:08,960 Grand County. This um admin 4175 03:04:08,960 --> 03:04:11,840 Yes. Um, 4176 03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:14,319 we have talked about this uh with the 4177 03:04:14,319 --> 03:04:16,240 audit committee 4178 03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:19,920 for the last year or so and if component 4179 03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:23,439 units were to use the county's auditor. 4180 03:04:23,439 --> 03:04:26,240 Um the talk was that we would look at 4181 03:04:26,240 --> 03:04:29,040 contributing $2,500 4182 03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:31,439 toward their audit as an incentive for 4183 03:04:31,439 --> 03:04:33,680 them to get those in and get those done 4184 03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:35,920 to where it would it would help the 4185 03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:38,640 county's audit be done on time. So 4186 03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:40,160 that's what this is. We had never 4187 03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:43,040 formally addressed it. So that is that 4188 03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:46,800 is this motion. I'm sorry. 4189 03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:48,399 >> Commissioner man. 4190 03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:52,960 >> Okay. Uh, so it's it's not in budget, 4191 03:04:52,960 --> 03:04:55,760 but is this for next year? 4192 03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:56,160 >> There was 4193 03:04:56,160 --> 03:04:59,200 >> So would it be in next year's budget 4194 03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:01,359 >> rather than this year's budget? 4195 03:05:01,359 --> 03:05:03,359 >> There was approving it now. 4196 03:05:03,359 --> 03:05:05,600 >> There was one component unit that did 4197 03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:08,160 use the county's auditor this year, and 4198 03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:10,560 that was EMS 4199 03:05:10,560 --> 03:05:12,479 SSD. So, there [clears throat] would 4200 03:05:12,479 --> 03:05:15,279 only be one $2,500 4201 03:05:15,279 --> 03:05:17,920 uh payout if you all approved that for 4202 03:05:17,920 --> 03:05:19,920 this year. 4203 03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:20,399 >> True. 4204 03:05:20,399 --> 03:05:21,840 >> They they were expecting 4205 03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:23,040 >> They were the only Yeah, they were 4206 03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:24,479 expecting it. They were the only one 4207 03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:27,279 that um didn't already have contracts in 4208 03:05:27,279 --> 03:05:30,800 place with somebody else. 4209 03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:33,920 >> So, they they did um say they would like 4210 03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:36,399 to use that incentive. We offered it. I 4211 03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:38,160 think we voted on it at the commission. 4212 03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:40,479 I don't know where we we're going to 4213 03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:41,680 bring the money from. 4214 03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:43,040 >> Yes, county attorney. 4215 03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:45,120 >> We need to go back to item number nine. 4216 03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:47,279 There needs to be findings to support a 4217 03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:49,840 denial in the event that the applicant 4218 03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:52,160 wants to challenge the denial of the 4219 03:05:52,160 --> 03:05:55,920 subdivision on Baroque subdivision being 4220 03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:58,950 denied. 4221 03:05:58,960 --> 03:06:00,399 » You repeat what you said. I'm sorry. 4222 03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:01,279 Second. 4223 03:06:01,279 --> 03:06:03,840 >> So, we need to have findings for the 4224 03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:05,279 denial. So the commission needs to go 4225 03:06:05,279 --> 03:06:07,120 back and make finding specifically for 4226 03:06:07,120 --> 03:06:16,710 the denial 4227 03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:19,600 » in the minority. I can go right. There's 4228 03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:20,479 no penny motion. 4229 03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:23,200 >> Yeah. Thanks. I mean I think safety is 4230 03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:25,279 absolutely one of them. 4231 03:06:25,279 --> 03:06:26,880 >> How however the commission wants to do 4232 03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:28,960 it. You can read the planning commission 4233 03:06:28,960 --> 03:06:31,680 motion but you need to create findings. 4234 03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:34,399 So after reviewing if you look at the 4235 03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:35,680 >> I I see what you mean. 4236 03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:37,840 >> So go go go down to the plan the there's 4237 03:06:37,840 --> 03:06:39,600 not a planned motion or there's not a 4238 03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:41,200 suggested motion in the document but if 4239 03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:42,560 you go down to the planning commission 4240 03:06:42,560 --> 03:06:44,479 after reviewing and it lists out 4241 03:06:44,479 --> 03:06:46,160 criterias and then you need to make 4242 03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:50,160 findings in the opposite of what it is. 4243 03:06:50,160 --> 03:06:52,720 So if you look at 4244 03:06:52,720 --> 03:06:54,720 >> true J is that what you're looking 4245 03:06:54,720 --> 03:06:57,200 >> correct. So the opposite. Okay. 4246 03:06:57,200 --> 03:06:59,359 >> Well, whatever, not necessarily the 4247 03:06:59,359 --> 03:07:01,040 opposite. Whatever ones you think were 4248 03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:03,120 the determining factors so that you guys 4249 03:07:03,120 --> 03:07:06,160 can have a support basis for making 4250 03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:07,439 >> I just wanted to catch it because 4251 03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:08,800 otherwise if we don't we'll have to come 4252 03:07:08,800 --> 03:07:09,520 back and do this again. 4253 03:07:09,520 --> 03:07:13,670 >> Thank you. Appreciate that. 4254 03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:16,560 » Um 4255 03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:18,479 do you want one person to do that 4256 03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:19,279 Stephen or 4257 03:07:19,279 --> 03:07:22,800 >> Yeah. Um, I' I'd suggest whoever is in 4258 03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:24,800 the uh in the controlling vote, perhaps 4259 03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:26,240 you could say after reviewing the staff 4260 03:07:26,240 --> 03:07:27,600 report, applicant statement, public 4261 03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:29,520 comments, the Spanish Valley future land 4262 03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:31,680 use map and the rules and land use code 4263 03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:36,950 section 2.5 or sorry 9.2.5 4264 03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:38,880 » um of the general plan and future land 4265 03:07:38,880 --> 03:07:42,160 use. It does not meet uh the reasoning 4266 03:07:42,160 --> 03:07:44,080 requirements and we find as follows. And 4267 03:07:44,080 --> 03:07:45,840 then you could go up to that section A 4268 03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:47,840 through K. Okay. Any of the options or 4269 03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:49,920 flavors that you like and you make that 4270 03:07:49,920 --> 03:07:51,760 finding that for example, 4271 03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:53,920 hypothetically, it does not fit the area 4272 03:07:53,920 --> 03:07:54,720 around it. 4273 03:07:54,720 --> 03:07:55,840 >> Whatever the stance is. 4274 03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:57,600 >> I'll I'll I'll take a shot at it. I'm 4275 03:07:57,600 --> 03:08:00,880 going to it. Okay. That I say I parrot 4276 03:08:00,880 --> 03:08:06,000 Stevens what he's just said and and the 4277 03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:09,120 findings. I believe I we move to deny 4278 03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:12,640 this reszone because it does not fit the 4279 03:08:12,640 --> 03:08:15,680 area's character. 4280 03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:18,080 It 4281 03:08:18,080 --> 03:08:21,040 does not its density and intensity is 4282 03:08:21,040 --> 03:08:24,319 not appropriate for the surrounding 4283 03:08:24,319 --> 03:08:27,120 neighborhood and the surrounding 4284 03:08:27,120 --> 03:08:29,439 infrastructure or the infrastructure 4285 03:08:29,439 --> 03:08:32,720 that o overlays that and thus safety is 4286 03:08:32,720 --> 03:08:35,520 an issue. 4287 03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:37,279 And I do believe it's I'm going to say 4288 03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:40,319 that it is spot zoning on three sides of 4289 03:08:40,319 --> 03:08:42,160 that. It's rural residential. I'm pretty 4290 03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:44,720 sure three sides of it. So I would state 4291 03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:48,319 that it is spot zoning. 4292 03:08:48,319 --> 03:08:50,240 >> And do you guys disagree? I can modify 4293 03:08:50,240 --> 03:08:52,640 those. 4294 03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:55,439 >> So where does safety fit in this county 4295 03:08:55,439 --> 03:08:56,399 attorney? Because that's 4296 03:08:56,399 --> 03:08:57,920 >> I kind of tried to say that on that 4297 03:08:57,920 --> 03:08:59,760 infrastructure that it doesn't have the 4298 03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:02,319 appropriate infrastructure and and 4299 03:09:02,319 --> 03:09:03,760 however you want to do that bill. if you 4300 03:09:03,760 --> 03:09:05,200 want to say that infrastructure does 4301 03:09:05,200 --> 03:09:08,880 that provide for the 4302 03:09:08,880 --> 03:09:12,479 safety and well-being whatsoever is that you're looking at. 4303 03:09:12,479 --> 03:09:14,399 >> Um 4304 03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:15,040 I just 4305 03:09:15,040 --> 03:09:19,349 >> for the stats 4306 03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:21,520 » I mean that's really the only argument 4307 03:09:21,520 --> 03:09:24,000 that I have about that this entire 4308 03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:26,640 process is the safety in that 4309 03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:27,520 neighborhood. 4310 03:09:27,520 --> 03:09:29,680 >> Sure. And and you could look at I mean 4311 03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:32,160 you could add it into item D. Will will 4312 03:09:32,160 --> 03:09:35,200 the will the community benefit? You can 4313 03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:36,720 say no. I don't believe the community 4314 03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:38,960 benefits. You know, an episode in this 4315 03:09:38,960 --> 03:09:43,359 matter creates a safety risk. Um 4316 03:09:43,359 --> 03:09:44,960 >> I 4317 03:09:44,960 --> 03:09:46,479 put a bunch of them in there. 4318 03:09:46,479 --> 03:09:49,200 >> Yeah. You know, is it a density and 4319 03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:51,279 intensity if you're looking at that? 4320 03:09:51,279 --> 03:09:52,399 >> I did. 4321 03:09:52,399 --> 03:09:54,720 >> Yeah. I said the density intensity does 4322 03:09:54,720 --> 03:09:56,560 not fit the neighborhood andor the 4323 03:09:56,560 --> 03:09:57,279 infrastructure 4324 03:09:57,279 --> 03:09:59,439 >> and the area around it. And then I mean 4325 03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:02,399 J, but that's not as good of a fit. The 4326 03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:03,600 other items that we've noted are 4327 03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:05,840 probably better. 4328 03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:08,319 >> B works for me as far as safety and the 4329 03:10:08,319 --> 03:10:12,160 concerns with that road. 4330 03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:14,080 >> Would the community benefit? 4331 03:10:14,080 --> 03:10:16,160 >> Yeah. So we've listed m commissioner 4332 03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:19,359 Deans listed multiple areas. Um, is that 4333 03:10:19,359 --> 03:10:21,040 something that's palatable to the people 4334 03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:21,920 that 4335 03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:25,200 >> Yeah, I I agree. 4336 03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:28,479 >> What What does that do for them being 4337 03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,319 able to come back if there has been a 4338 03:10:30,319 --> 03:10:32,160 road study done? I mean, I don't want to 4339 03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:35,520 agree to all of these when I would have 4340 03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:38,080 likely voted on this if we had followed 4341 03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:41,680 up the Novak debacle with a traffic 4342 03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:43,200 study or whatever you want to call the 4343 03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:44,880 Novak. So the the current application 4344 03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:46,720 before the commission now just has to 4345 03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:48,880 have a basis a final determination by 4346 03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:51,920 the county body once they have that um 4347 03:10:51,920 --> 03:10:53,359 either they can try to go through an 4348 03:10:53,359 --> 03:10:54,800 appeal and say that the county has 4349 03:10:54,800 --> 03:10:57,279 exceeded its legislative authority in in 4350 03:10:57,279 --> 03:11:00,479 considering the upzone or in the future 4351 03:11:00,479 --> 03:11:02,560 if they come back with a new application 4352 03:11:02,560 --> 03:11:04,319 that new application can be considered 4353 03:11:04,319 --> 03:11:06,000 based on the relevant factors at the 4354 03:11:06,000 --> 03:11:09,120 time. This gives them a conclusion, so 4355 03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:11,200 to speak, without finding an approval or 4356 03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:12,800 a denial. They're in limbo and they're 4357 03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:14,880 entitled to a response. 4358 03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:16,800 >> Sure. But we're not adding a undue 4359 03:11:16,800 --> 03:11:18,800 burden for them coming back by putting 4360 03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:20,240 all of those. Or are we? 4361 03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:22,560 >> No. I mean, the body 4362 03:11:22,560 --> 03:11:24,160 >> Yeah. They want to know why. 4363 03:11:24,160 --> 03:11:24,399 >> Yeah. 4364 03:11:24,399 --> 03:11:25,520 >> You want to know? So if there's 4365 03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:27,359 something they could fix, they can fix. 4366 03:11:27,359 --> 03:11:29,279 >> And the and the body has the ability to 4367 03:11:29,279 --> 03:11:31,920 change its, you know, stance later on in 4368 03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:33,920 time. But this this application this 4369 03:11:33,920 --> 03:11:35,520 current application based on the facts 4370 03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:37,040 you guys have considered are the 4371 03:11:37,040 --> 03:11:39,279 following. And remember, you know, the 4372 03:11:39,279 --> 03:11:40,800 commission in the future could could 4373 03:11:40,800 --> 03:11:42,479 change its mind on this item. You guys 4374 03:11:42,479 --> 03:11:44,160 should reconsider it based on factors. 4375 03:11:44,160 --> 03:11:46,640 And your items A through K, all of those 4376 03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:48,800 items, some of well, not all of them. 4377 03:11:48,800 --> 03:11:50,479 They change over time. And so that's why 4378 03:11:50,479 --> 03:11:51,600 they're findings. That's why you can 4379 03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:53,439 point to some evidence. It's like, hey, 4380 03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:56,960 you know, really, um, you know, will this benefit the community? And 4381 03:11:56,960 --> 03:12:00,080 it's all as a balancing. That's what the commission body is doing whenever 4382 03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:01,600 you guys are taking legislative actions. 4383 03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:03,520 you're looking at is this a concern for 4384 03:12:03,520 --> 03:12:07,120 safety or is it such a great need in in 4385 03:12:07,120 --> 03:12:11,040 housing that we are going to uh say that overcomes 4386 03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:12,960 a vote on these findings or 4387 03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:14,080 >> correct that's the goal. So, 4388 03:12:14,080 --> 03:12:15,840 Commissioner Hines laid out uh the 4389 03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:18,160 findings. I would need 4390 03:12:18,160 --> 03:12:18,960 >> made a second 4391 03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:20,319 >> and and Commissioner Mcance's made a 4392 03:12:20,319 --> 03:12:22,160 second. So, you'd restate that. 4393 03:12:22,160 --> 03:12:23,920 >> So, let me state it again. And I'm I'm 4394 03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:27,680 okay with using D and G. Will it benefit 4395 03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:30,319 the community or will will there be 4396 03:12:30,319 --> 03:12:34,000 community benefit? I would state that 4397 03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:36,160 the infrastructure is such that this is 4398 03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:38,880 actually would provide safety issues for 4399 03:12:38,880 --> 03:12:41,760 the surrounding community. And G is the 4400 03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:44,160 density and intensity correct? I would 4401 03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:46,560 say no. That the bulk of this is 4402 03:12:46,560 --> 03:12:48,960 surrounded by rural residential and the 4403 03:12:48,960 --> 03:12:52,479 infrastructure is such that the it's not 4404 03:12:52,479 --> 03:12:55,920 appropriate for the proposed density. 4405 03:12:55,920 --> 03:12:56,960 >> Okay. 4406 03:12:56,960 --> 03:12:59,760 >> And so all right then we just call for a 4407 03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:00,560 vote on that. 4408 03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:02,160 >> Then you need a second and you got a 4409 03:13:02,160 --> 03:13:02,319 second. 4410 03:13:02,319 --> 03:13:04,880 >> Oh, we did have a second. 4411 03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:06,399 So based on those things, the 4412 03:13:06,399 --> 03:13:08,319 commission, as we've stated before, has 4413 03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:09,760 considered the staff report, applicant 4414 03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:11,200 statement, public comments, Spanish 4415 03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:13,439 valley future land use map or plan, 4416 03:13:13,439 --> 03:13:14,880 rules in the land use code section 4417 03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:16,640 9.2.5, 4418 03:13:16,640 --> 03:13:18,720 and finds that uh based on those 4419 03:13:18,720 --> 03:13:22,080 criteria stated that the commission 4420 03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:24,800 denies the reszone application. 4421 03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:26,319 >> All right. So I'll call for a vote on 4422 03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:28,239 that. Those in favor of Commissioner 4423 03:13:28,239 --> 03:13:31,760 Hadin's motion, seconded by Commissioner 4424 03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:36,000 Mcan. All in favor? Those 4425 03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:39,110 opposed. 4426 03:13:39,120 --> 03:13:41,040 All right. Motion passes with 4427 03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:42,880 Commissioner McCandless, Commissioner 4428 03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:45,200 Martinez, and Commissioner McCertie 4429 03:13:45,200 --> 03:13:47,200 opposed to the motion. 4430 03:13:47,200 --> 03:13:48,160 >> Thank you, Chair. 4431 03:13:48,160 --> 03:13:49,439 >> Sorry to interrupt the discussion on 4432 03:13:49,439 --> 03:13:50,720 item number 10. 4433 03:13:50,720 --> 03:13:52,960 >> All right. So, we will go back to number 4434 03:13:52,960 --> 03:13:54,479 10. 4435 03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:55,920 >> We're back at number 10, 4436 03:13:55,920 --> 03:13:58,080 >> I think. So, yes. Can I 4437 03:13:58,080 --> 03:14:00,880 >> Oh, you go ahead. Sorry. Basically, all 4438 03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:03,840 this is doing is you're you're passing a 4439 03:14:03,840 --> 03:14:06,720 resolution and the expenditure for this 4440 03:14:06,720 --> 03:14:09,200 year would be $2,500. This will be 4441 03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:11,439 something that you'll have to address 4442 03:14:11,439 --> 03:14:14,319 for next year's budget going forward, 4443 03:14:14,319 --> 03:14:16,640 but this is a one-time $2,500 4444 03:14:16,640 --> 03:14:17,600 expenditure tonight. 4445 03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:19,680 >> So, would we be taking out discretionary 4446 03:14:19,680 --> 03:14:21,439 fund? 4447 03:14:21,439 --> 03:14:23,200 >> That would be my recommendation. Yeah, 4448 03:14:23,200 --> 03:14:24,800 let's just 4449 03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:27,439 >> cuz that's not discussed doing that if 4450 03:14:27,439 --> 03:14:29,840 we didn't have a better when we were in 4451 03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:32,560 our last meeting. 4452 03:14:32,560 --> 03:14:32,960 >> All right, 4453 03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:33,760 >> go Mike. 4454 03:14:33,760 --> 03:14:35,040 >> I move to approve the resolution 4455 03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:36,479 establishing an audit coordination 4456 03:14:36,479 --> 03:14:38,640 incentive program for the con component 4457 03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:41,520 units of Grand County uh this year's 4458 03:14:41,520 --> 03:14:44,000 fiscal impact $2,500 to discretionary 4459 03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:45,200 fund. 4460 03:14:45,200 --> 03:14:49,120 >> Motion by second that Mike. 4461 03:14:49,120 --> 03:14:50,960 I like how you stated that 4462 03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:52,800 >> motion by Commissioner McCertie, 4463 03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:57,190 seconded by 4464 03:14:57,200 --> 03:14:57,840 » me. 4465 03:14:57,840 --> 03:15:00,640 >> Oh, 4466 03:15:00,640 --> 03:15:04,070 by 4467 03:15:04,080 --> 03:15:05,680 you put all the components in place 4468 03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:06,960 because I was like, where's this money 4469 03:15:06,960 --> 03:15:08,239 coming from? So, 4470 03:15:08,239 --> 03:15:10,880 >> all right. All in favor? 4471 03:15:10,880 --> 03:15:12,160 >> I 4472 03:15:12,160 --> 03:15:13,600 >> passes unanimously. 4473 03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:15,359 >> Thanks for you guys. Thank you guys for 4474 03:15:15,359 --> 03:15:16,319 working on that. 4475 03:15:16,319 --> 03:15:18,800 >> Yes. Thank you. All right. So then we 4476 03:15:18,800 --> 03:15:21,359 are moving on to number 12. 4477 03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:23,760 >> Correct. 11 is being postponed. 4478 03:15:23,760 --> 03:15:25,600 >> Consideration for adoption of a 4479 03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:28,000 resolution authorizing the issuance and 4480 03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:30,880 sale of not more than 4481 03:15:30,880 --> 03:15:33,680 1 million aggregate principal amount of 4482 03:15:33,680 --> 03:15:38,239 transportation sales tax revenue bonds 4483 03:15:38,239 --> 03:15:42,319 2026 and related matters. And we had Mr. 4484 03:15:42,319 --> 03:15:44,800 Keller. Yep. He's still here. 4485 03:15:44,800 --> 03:15:47,520 >> Amazing. 4486 03:15:47,520 --> 03:15:48,800 Keller, we're trying to get one of 4487 03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:50,399 Marcus' associates to join the meeting 4488 03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:51,439 right now, but 4489 03:15:51,439 --> 03:15:55,110 >> Okay. 4490 03:15:55,120 --> 03:15:57,920 » Hi. Can you hear me? Okay. 4491 03:15:57,920 --> 03:15:59,359 >> Yes. 4492 03:15:59,359 --> 03:16:02,000 >> Excellent. Perfect. Um, and I apologize. 4493 03:16:02,000 --> 03:16:03,520 I was just on the phone there really 4494 03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:05,439 quick. Did we uh did we get to the uh 4495 03:16:05,439 --> 03:16:08,160 the resolution for the the bonds? 4496 03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:09,600 >> We did, sir. 4497 03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:12,000 >> Excellent. Well, thank you guys or uh 4498 03:16:12,000 --> 03:16:14,319 council for letting us present today. We 4499 03:16:14,319 --> 03:16:16,000 uh we appreciate the opportunity to work 4500 03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:18,720 with the county and we're uh we're happy 4501 03:16:18,720 --> 03:16:21,040 to to kind of go over this information. 4502 03:16:21,040 --> 03:16:22,960 Garrett may be joining as well here 4503 03:16:22,960 --> 03:16:25,439 shortly. He's with the bond council 4504 03:16:25,439 --> 03:16:28,399 that's helping on this transaction and 4505 03:16:28,399 --> 03:16:30,880 uh we will uh start from there. Now, I'm 4506 03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:34,239 not sure do you if Quinn or Mark need to 4507 03:16:34,239 --> 03:16:36,000 introduce the project? Is there any 4508 03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:38,000 questions on that before I get into the 4509 03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:42,000 parameters for the financing? 4510 03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:44,160 This is the 4511 03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:46,720 Jackson Street 4512 03:16:46,720 --> 03:16:49,439 Tra is what this is. 4513 03:16:49,439 --> 03:16:50,160 >> Yes. For the 4514 03:16:50,160 --> 03:16:51,920 >> I think we're all aware of that. 4515 03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:54,399 >> And this bond is to cover the loan 4516 03:16:54,399 --> 03:16:58,000 portion of the CIB loan. Correct. I just 4517 03:16:58,000 --> 03:16:59,520 that's for 4518 03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:01,040 >> correct. 4519 03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:02,720 >> So, so to give you a little background 4520 03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:05,279 on that. So, a couple years ago, I 4521 03:17:05,279 --> 03:17:08,000 believe this was in Mark, you may 4522 03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:10,080 remember, in 2022, 4523 03:17:10,080 --> 03:17:14,239 CIB approved a $99,000 4524 03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:19,920 uh loan at 1% for 30 years and $447,000 4525 03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:22,560 of grant money for this upcoming 4526 03:17:22,560 --> 03:17:24,800 project. So, you've got a grant and loan 4527 03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:27,120 combination from the Community Impact 4528 03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:29,840 Board for this upcoming project. Well, I 4529 03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:31,279 guess it's been upcoming for a long 4530 03:17:31,279 --> 03:17:34,160 time. we're we're finally here to to get 4531 03:17:34,160 --> 03:17:36,080 it going. But uh so that was the 4532 03:17:36,080 --> 03:17:38,880 financing terms from CIB. And so for 4533 03:17:38,880 --> 03:17:40,880 today, the resolution before you today 4534 03:17:40,880 --> 03:17:43,600 is a parameters resolution that goes 4535 03:17:43,600 --> 03:17:46,399 through a a few different items. The 4536 03:17:46,399 --> 03:17:48,720 main items I want to talk about today 4537 03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:51,120 are the parameters that you would be 4538 03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:52,880 setting to be able to access that 4539 03:17:52,880 --> 03:17:54,479 $99,000 4540 03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:57,439 of loan authorization from CIB. So in 4541 03:17:57,439 --> 03:17:59,600 the parameters, you would be authorizing 4542 03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:03,279 up to $1 million of transportation sales 4543 03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:05,680 tax revenue bonds that could extend out 4544 03:18:05,680 --> 03:18:09,680 to 33 years at up to a 2.5% interest 4545 03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:13,680 rate and up to a 98% discount. Now 4546 03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:15,520 again, those aren't matching exactly 4547 03:18:15,520 --> 03:18:17,359 because we always give you a little 4548 03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:19,120 flexibility with the parameters 4549 03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:21,279 resolution, but they are all up to or 4550 03:18:21,279 --> 03:18:23,680 not to exceed amounts. And this way if 4551 03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:25,359 there's slight changes, we don't have to 4552 03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:27,439 go back through the entire process again 4553 03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:29,600 with public hearing and everything else 4554 03:18:29,600 --> 03:18:31,840 that's associated with this uh 4555 03:18:31,840 --> 03:18:34,720 resolution. But the public hearing it 4556 03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:36,640 would also be called for as part of this 4557 03:18:36,640 --> 03:18:38,720 motion which would be scheduled for 4558 03:18:38,720 --> 03:18:42,319 August 18th at 6:00 pm at your regular 4559 03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:45,040 county council meeting. Um maybe I'll 4560 03:18:45,040 --> 03:18:46,399 pause there to see if there's any 4561 03:18:46,399 --> 03:18:48,399 questions at this point for the 4562 03:18:48,399 --> 03:18:51,200 parameters resolution. 4563 03:18:51,200 --> 03:18:52,560 Commissioner Mccertie, I'd 4564 03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:54,000 >> like to make the motion. I move to 4565 03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:55,680 approve the resolution authorizing the 4566 03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:58,319 issuance and sale of not more than $1 4567 03:18:58,319 --> 03:19:00,960 million aggregate principal amount of 4568 03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:03,600 transportation sales tax revenue bonds 4569 03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:07,359 series 2026 and related matters and call 4570 03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:10,160 for a public hearing at the August 18th, 4571 03:19:10,160 --> 03:19:14,720 2026 commission meeting 6 p.m. 4572 03:19:14,720 --> 03:19:16,720 >> Motion by Commissioner McCertie, second 4573 03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:19,359 by Commissioner Hadler. further 4574 03:19:19,359 --> 03:19:21,120 discussion. It's probably gonna flood 4575 03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:22,479 right now. 4576 03:19:22,479 --> 03:19:24,640 >> Yep. 4577 03:19:24,640 --> 03:19:26,880 >> I think it's appropriate to make some 4578 03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:30,080 CIB comments when do you know? 4579 03:19:30,080 --> 03:19:33,359 >> So, there has been some discussion come 4580 03:19:33,359 --> 03:19:36,800 back from CIB because this bid came in 4581 03:19:36,800 --> 03:19:41,040 lower than we previously had estimated. 4582 03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:43,840 It's possible that the CIB loan is going 4583 03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:46,800 to be reduced 4584 03:19:46,800 --> 03:19:49,840 um and which would then the grant would 4585 03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:52,960 also be reduced somewhat and that would 4586 03:19:52,960 --> 03:19:55,200 increase the match that we are pulling 4587 03:19:55,200 --> 03:19:57,279 out of the 4588 03:19:57,279 --> 03:20:01,600 storm water mitigation fund. And so I've 4589 03:20:01,600 --> 03:20:03,520 been tasked considering I'm sitting on a 4590 03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:06,000 CIB board to see if that's actual or if 4591 03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:07,600 there's anything we can work with it. 4592 03:20:07,600 --> 03:20:10,239 But I want everybody to be aware that I 4593 03:20:10,239 --> 03:20:13,359 think the increase to the storm water 4594 03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:14,560 fund would be 4595 03:20:14,560 --> 03:20:16,080 >> 152. 4596 03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:18,160 Is it 152 or 110? 4597 03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:21,120 >> Um I've got 152303. 4598 03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:24,399 >> So possibly we're going to see this 4599 03:20:24,399 --> 03:20:27,200 increase on the storm mitigation fund 4600 03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:30,080 and our loan and our grant decrease if 4601 03:20:30,080 --> 03:20:32,479 this is in fact correct. But I want to 4602 03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:35,840 follow up with CIB before we, 4603 03:20:35,840 --> 03:20:38,479 you know, panic or whatever we want to 4604 03:20:38,479 --> 03:20:39,439 call it. So 4605 03:20:39,439 --> 03:20:41,840 >> do some magic at CIB, Bill. 4606 03:20:41,840 --> 03:20:44,160 >> Well, I don't know about magic. 4607 03:20:44,160 --> 03:20:45,840 >> I will do my 4608 03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:47,760 >> I would appreciate it. 4609 03:20:47,760 --> 03:20:49,840 >> So if there's no further discussion, I 4610 03:20:49,840 --> 03:20:51,520 just wanted everybody to understand that 4611 03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:54,239 CIB might be decreasing this based off 4612 03:20:54,239 --> 03:20:56,239 of the fact that we got a lower bid than 4613 03:20:56,239 --> 03:20:59,040 what was originally estimated on this. 4614 03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:00,800 And can I clarify though, Marcus, just 4615 03:21:00,800 --> 03:21:02,720 so everybody's clear, but we can with 4616 03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:04,800 within this parameters resolution, these 4617 03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:06,479 numbers can change as long as we don't 4618 03:21:06,479 --> 03:21:08,080 exceed 4619 03:21:08,080 --> 03:21:09,680 what is in the parameters resolution. 4620 03:21:09,680 --> 03:21:10,800 Correct. 4621 03:21:10,800 --> 03:21:12,960 >> That's exactly right. Um Quinn, you 4622 03:21:12,960 --> 03:21:16,319 you've hit the nail on the head and and before the motion, I did just want 4623 03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:18,000 to introduce Garrett Gross with Gilmore 4624 03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:19,920 and Bell's bond council. Garrett, was 4625 03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:21,520 there anything else to add or addition 4626 03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:22,880 to Quinn's question? 4627 03:21:22,880 --> 03:21:24,800 >> Nope. I mean, that's it. that just 4628 03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:26,319 essentially it's they're the upper 4629 03:21:26,319 --> 03:21:29,279 limits and if that money is reduced I I 4630 03:21:29,279 --> 03:21:31,840 think it's prudent and wise you know so 4631 03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:35,120 you don't have to come back uh and 4632 03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:37,840 reauthorize to to you know Marcus and I 4633 03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:39,359 discussed this a little bit to keep that 4634 03:21:39,359 --> 03:21:41,439 amount those parameters those upper 4635 03:21:41,439 --> 03:21:44,399 limits kind of locked where they're at 4636 03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:47,040 but uh yeah that's that's that's the 4637 03:21:47,040 --> 03:21:49,920 intent so that if it is reduced we can 4638 03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:56,720 always go lower but to to go higher we try to set it a little higher than what's expected just so we don't 4639 03:21:56,720 --> 03:22:00,630 have to reauthorize. 4640 03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:02,560 » Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. If there's 4641 03:22:02,560 --> 03:22:04,399 no further discussion, I'll call for a 4642 03:22:04,399 --> 03:22:07,760 vote. All in favor of the motion? 4643 03:22:07,760 --> 03:22:09,120 >> I 4644 03:22:09,120 --> 03:22:12,000 >> that passes unanimously. 4645 03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:14,080 And with that, thank you gentlemen. 4646 03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:16,160 Appreciate your participation. 4647 03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:18,479 >> Absolutely. Thanks, commission. And uh 4648 03:22:18,479 --> 03:22:20,160 we'll be in touch. 4649 03:22:20,160 --> 03:22:20,399 >> Thank you. 4650 03:22:20,399 --> 03:22:21,279 >> Have a great night. Byebye. 4651 03:22:21,279 --> 03:22:22,479 >> Have a good evening. 4652 03:22:22,479 --> 03:22:24,720 >> Yes. Thank you. Um, yes, Commissioner 4653 03:22:24,720 --> 03:22:25,279 Mccertie. 4654 03:22:25,279 --> 03:22:27,520 >> I'd like to make the motion uh to go 4655 03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:32,399 into close session reasoned uh 4656 03:22:32,399 --> 03:22:36,000 pending leg uh legal uh imminent legal 4657 03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:36,960 litigation 4658 03:22:36,960 --> 03:22:38,640 >> perhaps. Commission, is there anything 4659 03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:42,720 else that you folks have on general reports because otherwise people 4660 03:22:42,720 --> 03:22:44,000 think may want to wait. 4661 03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:46,160 >> Right. So, we're going to skip over the 4662 03:22:46,160 --> 03:22:48,000 general reports. I just there's a few 4663 03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:49,840 more items there, Mike. Unless somebody 4664 03:22:49,840 --> 03:22:51,439 there's a commission report somebody 4665 03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:54,720 wants to stress, elected officials. Uh 4666 03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:57,120 we really only have the county attorney, 4667 03:22:57,120 --> 03:22:59,600 commission administrator. 4668 03:22:59,600 --> 03:23:02,399 >> All right. So then we have a motion to 4669 03:23:02,399 --> 03:23:04,080 go into close session by Commissioner 4670 03:23:04,080 --> 03:23:05,920 Mccertie, seconded by Commissioner 4671 03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:09,040 Adler. All in favor? 4672 03:23:09,040 --> 03:23:10,319 >> I. 4673 03:23:10,319 --> 03:23:12,640 >> Passes unanimously. 4674 03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:16,000 And we have Mr. Gleon here to be in this 4675 03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:19,960 close session with us.