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All right, I will open this commission

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meeting up August 4th, 2026 at 3:30

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Well, it will just blinked over to 4:00

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p.m. Those present are Commissioner

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Hadine, Commissioner Hadler,

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Commissioner Martinez,

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Commissioner McCurdy, myself

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Commissioner Winfield with Commissioner

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Candless online. We've also got our

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county attorney Stephen Stocks,

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administrator Mr. Tyner, and clerk

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auditor Gabe Wojcik.

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And with that,

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>> we start with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right, thank you, and we will start

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off, although I don't see Mr. Kaufman

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here. I have him scheduled for a

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elected officials report.

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We know

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Do you know when he is showing up?

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Do we want to

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move past Uh Kaufman was going to give

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his schedule next for his report.

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>> Um

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I'll see him on the way home.

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>> Um we can come back to that if you like.

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Um Andrea, would you be fine with your

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presentation? All right, we will move

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Andrea's presentation from the Sand

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Flats director, Andrea Brand.

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» Can I share my screen?

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>> Hang on, let me make a speaker view

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here.

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>> And real quick if we could everybody

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remember use your microphones keep them

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close so that those online can hear.

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>> There is a treasurer's report down

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in the reports and I wonder if that's

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you know what I'm saying.

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>> We have him scheduled at 4:00 so.

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» You want to stop the world?

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Yes, you are.

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» [laughter]

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>> I think I'm sharing it.

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No.

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» You should be good to share.

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» I'm sharing.

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Push your audio. Should I have that off?

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>> I would.

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>> Yes.

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Yeah, I don't know why it's not.

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like to also acknowledge we've got the

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mayor of Milan with us tonight. Thank

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you Joyce. Good to see you.

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Excuse me.

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What time?

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You're back.

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We're on computer technological.

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Issues.

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Should we just come on up while they're

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figuring it out?

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Show up.

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Yeah, I see him. I just don't want to

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interrupt these guys.

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» Okay, so then I can keep it up going.

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Sorry about that.

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Okay, thank you for the opportunity to

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come before you today with my annual

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report.

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So, Sand Flats made up of 9,000 acres

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of bold fins and domes of Navajo

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sandstone, petrified sand dunes, famous

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for the Slickrock bike trail,

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was the first was created 1969 was the

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first designated national recreation

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trail in Utah. We have both motorized

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and non-motorized recreationists, over

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30 miles of 4x4 trails including Hell's

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Revenge and Fins and Things. Hell's

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Revenge was awarded national recreation

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trail status as well in 2024, so we have

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two trails with that status. We have our

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mountain bike trail Porcupine Rim and

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the new Raptor route.

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Eight campgrounds, we have about 250,000

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annual visitors including families and

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friends both young and old who enjoy

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recreating in Sand Flats.

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is unique in that it's

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managed in partnership between the

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county and the Bureau of Land Management

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since 1995.

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completed our 27th year of

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self-sustained operation last year.

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under the county, so our operating

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budget comes exclusively from the

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collected fees.

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Sand Flats mission is to ensure that the

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outstanding natural features of the area

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are protected from the adverse impacts

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of recreational use, provide sustainable

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public recreational opportunities

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consistent with the character of the

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area, provide for public safety,

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reduction of visitor conflicts, assure

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continuation of positive economic

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benefits to the county associated with

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public use of the area, and maintain

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reasonable access. Both the BLM and

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Grand County aspire to utilize their

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combined resources and authorities to

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cooperatively improve

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conditions within the area so as to

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better serve the public and establish a

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mechanism where users fund

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the management, protection, and service

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partnership was chosen by the

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Executive Office of the President's

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Council on Environmental Quality as a

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premier example of local and federal

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governments working cooperatively to

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successfully resolve conservation

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issues.

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The impact on the local economy. The BLM

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reports that there are 99 permitted

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commercial tours and shuttle companies

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that operate at Sand Flats, and of these

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75 are local. There are 13 annual BLM

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permitted events.

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Thousands of people, close to 50,000,

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come to participate in these events and

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special recreation permit commercial

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activities. There's also dozens of local

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bike and OHV rental companies that come

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up to Sand Flats, and the BLM estimates

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this is that this contributes over 20

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million to the local economy.

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So, overall, since 2019, despite the

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pandemic, uh we had an increase in

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revenue of 20%

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comparing this year with last year, our

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visitation through May is up 6% and our

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revenue is up 20%.

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increase, which I'll talk about in a

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minute. We have our stewardship

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committee, which is an advisory body

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authorized by Grand County Commission to

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advise on matters pertaining to Sand

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Flats. Committee is made up collectively

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of non-motorized,

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uh uh recreational activity

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representatives, along with the BLM and

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the Grand County Commission liaison.

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So, day-to-day

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operations, we have our entrance

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station, which is staffed from February

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through November. We have nine

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trailheads, 60 mi of trails. We have

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eight fee campgrounds, 140 campsites,

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and six group sites.

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We do all this with our four full-time

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staff including myself, four to six

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seasonals, and one to two high school

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students in the spring. We staff the

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entrance station for fee collection,

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orientation, and safety. We maintain

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those nine trailheads. We have daily

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front country patrols to check

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compliance, provide security and

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information. We have regular back

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country patrols to promote compliance

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and for safety and assess our

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maintenance needs, which of course

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includes trail maintenance.

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We clean and pump 30 toilets and trash

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removal with the contractors. We have

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many educational kiosks and signs.

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So, updates.

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The fee change this year that you folks

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passed after it was approved a few years

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ago by the BL by by the BLM. The annual

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pass went from 25 to 35 and the

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campground went from 15 to 20 per night

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As I said, we have nearly 60,000

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vehicles on Hell's Revenge each year,

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40,000 on Fins and Things. The Slickrock

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bike trail the last 9 months of last

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year had over 50,000 and this year

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through May, 21,600

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almost. And Falcon Flow had 20,000 last

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year in 9 months. And so, that is all

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rivaling Whole Enchilada at 25,000

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estimated users.

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The Sand Flats Road was chip sealed from

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the cemetery up to the end of the

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pavement last fall by the Grand County

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Road Department. And Sand Flats paid for

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a magnesium chloride treatment about

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19,000 last year for that.

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We applied for planning and design grant

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which you folks wrote a letter of

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support for this spring. Unfortunately,

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the grant was not awarded.

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Falcon Climb was 2/3 built last year.

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It'll be completed this winter with GK

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and Sand Flats staff help.

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Motorized Trail Committee and Sand Flats

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staff, BLM, and volunteers were very

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busy this spring helping us get ready

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for the season. The motorized trail

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committee had brought some ideas of

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improvements to the BLM. They approved

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them, and we got to work on Fins N

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Things north and south, and then also on

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a ramp before the dinosaur tracks at

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Hell's Revenge. The dinosaur tracks, you

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might recall we worked with the BLM

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heavy equipment operator to move the

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boulders

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out from the rim to protect those tracks

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BLM paleontologist oversight as we were

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doing that, and Sandflat staff and

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volunteers, and we created a new road

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boulders to um

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uh close off or not close close off from

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vehicles, but not from pedestrians the

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other part that was on SITLA property,

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and SITLA paid the contractor for that.

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Uh the Gastonia club, the local

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paleontology club was out there with the

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paleontologist from the BLM sweeping the

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tracks after this, and so we could do

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photogrammetry out there and record 3D

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images of these tracks. Jeep Safari,

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there was a work day out on

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Fins N Things north with Stellantis and

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Jeep, BLM, Red Rock 4-Wheelers,

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putting in some fencing

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and blocking off illegal routes. We also

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there was also a media event with over

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100 participants with Stellantis and

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Jeep in Fox Campground.

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they brought to that media event. That

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was during Jeep Safari, and then also

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this spring we had the spring spruce up

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with Jeep Cat on Hawk's Glide. We also

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had a combined training with Jeep Cat

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Search and Rescue and the state trail

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crew on Fins N Things, and work was

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completed on the Porcupine 4x4 trail

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with contractor and Sandflat staff

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before the summer.

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Um each year we contribute 10 to 15,000

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to Search and Rescue, Never High school

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friendship program, and other things for

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the community as we have our volunteer

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days where folks can come up for 4 hours

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and earn an annual pass by helping us.

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We also have our educational outreach

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brochures, websites, Facebook, YouTube.

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we've

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done a lot with films over the years.

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Um

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one of the ones that has seen the most

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views has been our film that we created

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that the state of Utah uses in the OHV

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test that everyone has to take before

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they ride their um

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OHV on public lands, whether they're

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coming in from out of state, they're

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registering their vehicles in state, or

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they're renting. And over 400,000 people

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have viewed those today.

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Um there's also been other

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films that are on local channel 6, which

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are reaching 5,800 accommodations in

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Grand, San Juan, and Emery counties. We

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pay for that every year. We uh completed

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a dark sky parks film last year, and we

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completed our Moab's Old Growth Forest

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film this spring. These are available

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upon request at the Moab Information

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Center along with some others. I

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convinced CNH A to uh have those there

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for people to see for a further outreach

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on the big screen. We also have our

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Flora of the Greater Moab Landscape

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book, which is available with CNH A,

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Back of Beyond, and the state parks. And

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we continue to do our star parties and

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scorpion walks up at Sand Flats in

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partnership with Utah State Parks. We

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also partnered uh we're part of the Utah

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Office of Tourism's Always Adventure

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Safe Day with a booth this uh spring at

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the uh Slickrock bike trail. And um for

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summer fall projects, we'll continue

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with our maintenance in our campgrounds

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and trails. And we're improving our

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record keeping

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uh systems and our sign inventory system

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along the lines of what the road

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department has. Um we also completed

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another film in June about the creatures

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of the Moab sand dunes. CNH A partnered

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with us this year and paid for half of

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that. We worked with BLM biologist

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that's featured in the film. These are

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some of the critters that live in the

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sand dune environment. And then we did

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night filming with retired USGS

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scientist Tim Graham. And we staged a

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scorpion walk.

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And these are just some great images of

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scorpion catching some ant lions under

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the UV light that'll be in the film. We

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also just recently finished crack

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sealing, seal coating, and striping

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Hell's Revenge and Slickrock with our

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with a contractor

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in the last 2 weeks.

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And we're also working on

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historic site mitigation with the BLM.

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This is a sign they put together about

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the sheep herder heritage.

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And that will go up soon before the

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fall. So, Sand Flats continues with

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successful partnerships, self-sustaining

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operations. Visitation continues to

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increase and improvements are made with

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fee monies, grants, and through the BLM

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partnership. And these are just some

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resources linking to some of our films

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and

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other films.

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» Thank you, Andrea. That's great.

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Uh yes, Commissioner Hedin.

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>> Um that was excellent.

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Quick, too.

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Excellent.

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Um you you didn't get that grant. Did

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they provide you any feedback as to

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>> Not yet. Okay, we'll do a briefing in

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August as Jen Beth has requested.

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>> So, we'll put this one Thank you.

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>> And I didn't catch it, but you said your

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income was up and some of that's

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attributed to the raised prices, but is

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it also as you say here that the

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visitation is up as well?

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>> 20% through the fee.

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But 20% revenue because of you mostly

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that camping fee change from 15 to 20.

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Which puts us right in line with other

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fees, BLM charges.

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>> Commissioner Hadler.

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>> Yeah, we're

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in the the past couple years I think

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we've applied for a grant. We've

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discussed paving the Sand Flats Road

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further. I was wondering if that I know

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we didn't receive those grants, but is

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that still

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an option are you still looking into

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doing those or

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>> This time it was even expanded further.

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The planning and design grant we went

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from the cemetery from the intersection

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there Mill Creek and Sand Flats

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up to Porcupine stock tanks there.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So that whole section we were saying we

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wanted to look at that and do

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engineering and planning and

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but we unfortunately did not get it.

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>> Because we didn't get that grant. So and

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then was it were wasn't it brick grants

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that you talked about previously that

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would potentially uh

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>> The name this time it was a build and

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last time it was raise but it's the same

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name change and it's my understanding.

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>> So

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>> The same grant.

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>> Okay.

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Mr. McCartan.

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>> Like uh Tris said I I would like updates

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on that grant process when you get them

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also.

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>> Sure.

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>> I know we've been sitting here talking

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about it for years.

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Uh I'd like to see what we can do to

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help. So.

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>> Okay. Yeah, this time you know you folks

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wrote a letter support and this time you

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know with the planning and zoning office

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and myself and the road department we

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decided to just go for a you know like

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under $2 million grant for planning and

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design and engineering of that whole

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stretch and not a construction grant.

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But

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still didn't get it.

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>> Yeah. Just when you when you hear

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updates I'd love to hear them too.

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>> Okay. Sure. Sure.

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» Very good. Anybody else?

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>> All right. Thank you.

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>> Thank you Andrea. I'd also like to

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welcome Mary McGann to the commission

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meeting and then we will proceed with

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Mr. Kaufman if you would like to give us

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your light and report.

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» Thank you.

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Good afternoon. Chris Kaufman Grand

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County Treasurer. I'm here to give my

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annual report on property tax

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collections and investments for last

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year for 2025.

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I think most of you have heard at least

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a few of these reports from me, so I'll

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try to keep it pretty brief.

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Um starting off with property tax

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collections last year. Um

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last year continued to be a bit of a

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disappointment on property tax

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collections. Uh for the last 3 years

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ever since the commercial reassessment

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that happened, we've had several uh

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pretty large commercial parcels that

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have gone delinquent and have uh

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depressed our collection rate.

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Uh we did see a slight increase in the

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collection rate versus the prior year.

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Um and the good news is that even though

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these collection rates are a little bit

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lower than they have been, they're still

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historically pretty high.

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Um the 5-year average of the collection

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rate is what the tax commission uses

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when they calculate the property tax

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rates. And um it's an important

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statistic that they factor in. And the

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higher our collection rate, then the

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lower the tax rates have to be. And

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because our tax rates are our collection

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rates have been increasing over the last

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uh several years uh since 2014,

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we have saved taxpayers about 5.8

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million dollars in taxes that otherwise

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would have had to been charged uh

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because the collection rates have been

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going up. So that's still overall a good

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news story. And then the other silver

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lining is that we have seen some of

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those delinquent properties starting to

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catch up this year. So they will be able

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to focus on their current year taxes

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this year and

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uh that our rates will go up a little

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bit.

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That our rates have go up a little bit.

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Um

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Talking about back taxes, because the

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last 3 years have been a little bit

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lower on the collections, we did have an

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historically high amount of back taxes

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due at the beginning of this year

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[clears throat] at over 2 and 1/2

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million, uh much higher than we've

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actually ever seen in the past. Um

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but the good news there again is that

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we've seen some pretty strong

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collections this year and a lot of those

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folks are getting caught up. We're going

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to have a very high back tax collection

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amount in 2026. And again, hopefully

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that will contribute to better

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collection rates for this year.

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Um,

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in my office we continue to see a strong

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growth in

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electronic payments, not only in the

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total amount that we're bringing in that

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way, but also the number of individual

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payments.

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This is an important thing that I keep

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track of because it makes such a big

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difference to the workload in my office

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every time someone pays online. That's a payment that we don't have to manually

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process.

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And so that's really helping our office

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to keep the current staff level, but and

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keep up with

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an increasing workload.

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We've also had an increase in folks that

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are signing up for auto bill pay where

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they have their taxes automatically paid

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from their account on an annual or

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monthly basis. And we've also seen

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increases in those that are signing up

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for

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emailed or electronic tax notices. So

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all those are positive trends that I

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think are not only helpful for the

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county, but also helpful for those folks

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who find it more convenient to pay

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online and get their notices through

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email.

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Um, before I move on, any questions on

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collections, property tax stuff?

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Um, so I'll move on to the investments.

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Um, in your packet there's a graph of

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the interest rates through the public

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treasurers investment fund or the PTIF.

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Um, after COVID we saw the depression in

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the interest rates after COVID. We saw a

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steep uh rise in interest rates as the

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Federal Reserve tried to fight

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inflation.

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Over the last couple years they

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plateaued and has started to decrease.

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Uh,

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we have had historically a very large

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portion of our investments in the PTIF

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and that that great as those interest

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rates went up and as they stayed high

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because the PTIF tends to track the

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federal funds rates very closely. It's

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generally invested in pretty short

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maturities.

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As we enter into more of an uncertain

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interest rate environment, nobody really

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knows where the economy is going, nobody

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knows what the heck is going to be

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happening

557
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,000
inflation.

558
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,160
It It made sense to change our

559
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960
investment strategy. And so last year I

560
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,160
moved a significant portion of our

561
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,880
investments out of the PTIF and into a

562
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,920
portfolio that's managed by our

563
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,640
investment advisors with Raymond James.

564
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,120
And these are investment advisors that

565
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,200
I've been working with for past 10

566
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,600
years. And they have the ability to give

567
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,960
our portfolio more diversity in the

568
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,440
maturities

569
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,680
so that we can hedge against interest

570
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,120
rates going down. And in general we

571
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,120
should

572
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,320
get a more steady rate of return on our

573
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,480
investments that way

574
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,040
because of when you up to you know if

575
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,360
the interest rates suddenly started

576
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,960
rising, which we hadn't done that, but I

577
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,080
think the better strategy is to have

578
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,160
more diversity so that we are prepared

579
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720
for any eventuality.

580
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,920
In addition to the PTIF and our

581
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,560
portfolio with Raymond James, we are

582
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,040
also utilizing sweep accounts so that

583
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,600
any money that we have in our checking

584
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,080
accounts that

585
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,920
are waiting to cover cash checks will be

586
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,240
invested and earn interest. We also have

587
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,280
another account that was opened last

588
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,080
year that is giving us a guaranteed

589
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,120
return higher than the PTIF so we keep

590
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:33,960
money in there as well.

591
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,280
The overall picture is that we was

592
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240
looking for every opportunity we can to

593
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,040
keep our interest running stuff and find

594
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,920
any any ways to eke out a little bit

595
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,280
more from that.

596
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,000
There are also a couple of graphs in

597
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,800
your package showing the interest

598
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320
earnings from last year which were over

599
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,120
1 and 1/2 million, very strong for the

600
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,600
last three years. Again, that's

601
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,640
primarily due to the high interest rates

602
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,000
that we've seen

603
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,920
post COVID. And then also we have been

604
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,680
able to maintain pretty high monthly

605
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,920
average balances in the

606
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,430
county's overall investment portfolio.

607
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,200
We do expect to see, you know, lower

608
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,080
interest earnings this year primarily

609
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
because the rates are going down.

610
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,400
Any questions on investments?

611
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,880
>> Sure, sure. When you're when we're

612
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,600
looking at these like the chart with the

613
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,520
county interest earnings, this is across

614
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,600
all accounts that the county has

615
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,840
invested?

616
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,880
All of our various

617
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,480
quote savings accounts unquote, I guess.

618
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,440
>> Yeah.

619
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,600
I did limit this graph now to more

620
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,400
the interest that's more attributable directly to the county. We

621
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,520
do have some accounts that are money

622
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,720
that we're holding for bonds and other

623
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,240
things that that aren't the county's not

624
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,440
going to get the interest on it those.

625
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,800
But yeah, that is a combination of the

626
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,880
P-TIF and the other investments.

627
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,030
>> Good question.

628
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,720
» Okay, I just have a couple other really

629
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,880
quick updates. I'm really excited to

630
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,600
announce that the county got enrolled in

631
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,640
an important program that will protect

632
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,320
our checking accounts from check fraud

633
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,960
last year. It's called positive pay.

634
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,280
It's a program where when we write a

635
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,160
batch of checks, we also send to the

636
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,080
bank a file with all the information

637
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,120
about those checks. When a check is

638
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,800
presented to the bank for cashing, they

639
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,280
will they will compare that check to the

640
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,800
information in the file. If there's any

641
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,320
discrepancy, then the county gets a

642
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480
chance to review that and see if it's

643
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,000
check fraud or just a mistake.

644
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,200
It's a really great program and one that

645
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,760
I'm very excited for us to have and I

646
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,240
want to give

647
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,320
kudos to the clerk auditor's office and

648
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,920
personal services especially to accounts

649
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,160
payable and to payroll for working with

650
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,120
the fire office to get this implemented.

651
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,520
It's been going really smoothly and

652
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,760
those are the folks that are actually

653
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,440
sending the files and making it happen.

654
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,240
So,

655
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,400
I also wanted to mention that this past

656
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520
June, the chief deputy treasurer

657
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,240
retired, Mary Lou Lopez. She been in the

658
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,920
office for almost 5 years. I wanted to

659
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,680
give a shout out to her for the numerous

660
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,640
contributions she made to the office and

661
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,680
the years that she put in. She will be

662
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,240
greatly missed.

663
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,160
I did want to call out one of the one

664
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,240
for achievements that she had most

665
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,080
recently, which was she worked really

666
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,840
closely with with the other offices in

667
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,320
the county.

668
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,600
That

669
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,800
contributed to doing our bank

670
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,160
reconciliations and she

671
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,400
really made a lot of achievements in

672
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,120
getting those done on a timely manner

673
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,600
and making sure that everybody and all

674
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,760
the different pieces were coming

675
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,880
together and all those entries were

676
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,800
being made into our system. And so

677
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,440
it was a really a a big achievement for

678
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560
her, something she worked a lot on. And

679
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,800
we'll miss her a lot. But I do also want

680
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,360
to welcome the new chief deputy

681
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,840
treasurer, Lorie Houten. She's already

682
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,400
fully settled into the office and

683
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,800
working on her own projects to make

684
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,200
improvements. So, that's

685
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,840
something that we're looking forward to.

686
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,120
And then lastly, just a quick update on

687
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,120
this past legislative session. Most of

688
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,520
you already know about this, but again

689
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,320
this year there were there was a bill

690
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,720
introduced that would have greatly

691
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600
reduced and changed

692
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,680
the

693
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,800
payments and tax relief available to our

694
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,480
low-income elderly and disabled folks.

695
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,360
Fortunately, that bill did not pass

696
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,160
again this session

697
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,120
and I do want to thank not only the

698
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,000
house members, but all of the county

699
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
elected officials who helped to get the

700
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760
information out about how important these programs are to our

701
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,800
constituents and the difference that

702
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,640
they make in their lives. And uh

703
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,800
we don't know what's going to happen

704
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
with this next legislative session. Um

705
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,360
some of the driving forces behind these

706
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,560
bills may no longer be in place, but um

707
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,280
we're certainly ready to spread that

708
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,600
awareness again about the importance of

709
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,360
these programs in case that's needed.

710
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,040
Any questions?

711
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Yes. You've always kept me in the loop

712
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,640
on the

713
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,400
uh what's coming up during the

714
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,120
legislative session. Please continue to

715
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,680
do so. We'll be up again this year.

716
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840
Yeah. We love killing those bills that

717
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,880
we We all hate.

718
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,720
>> It It'll be interesting too to see,

719
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Chris, who, if anybody picks that back

720
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,440
up, being as

721
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,480
um

722
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,440
McKay was not reelected, so it It's a

723
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880
possibility maybe we dodged it.

724
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,280
We'll see.

725
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,520
>> Nobody knows.

726
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Who was that else? Yeah. Thanks for your

727
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,040
time and

728
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,150
>> You do much work.

729
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
» All right. With that, we will move on to

730
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,520
our public hearings. I've got a

731
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,360
public hearing to amend the ordinance

732
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,480
725 major utility overlay, Mr.

733
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Andrew Jackson to help us with that.

734
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Also want to know as Andrew reads

735
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,000
through this that the body will consider

736
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
suspending the rules and voting at this

737
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,440
meeting.

738
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,920
And if not,

739
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,000
the hearing will remain open until 5:00

740
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,960
p.m. on Wednesday, August 12th, and that

741
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640
item is number nine later in your agenda

742
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520
if you're watching the agenda.

743
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,320
>> Andrew Jackson, American city planner.

744
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,240
Um I just uh

745
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,960
a note on this item. What it is isn't

746
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,080
This is not a rezone. It changes no

747
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080
zoning, no overlay boundary, no way to

748
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400
use the plan designation.

749
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,840
It's an ordinance amendment that

750
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,680
corrects two conditions on an approval

751
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,840
that we already granted in ordinance

752
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,440
725,

753
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,080
which applied to the major utility

754
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,200
overlay to the city's Moab uh

755
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,720
to the city of Moab's water tank site.

756
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,040
One condition set a completion date

757
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,800
that's already passed. It was only like

758
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,640
a month after the ordinance passed.

759
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Um

760
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,280
the other describes the required

761
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,160
development agreement. The language

762
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,520
before it didn't match what was in the

763
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,280
original mode. It's all

764
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,480
this ordinance amends that

765
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160
we have to follow through section 9.2

766
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,720
for the procedure for approval which

767
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
went to the planning commission last

768
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
night. It was a seven all vote in favor

769
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,520
of these two amendments to ordinance

770
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,040
725. Again, it's not a repeal or

771
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,320
replace, it's amendment to one of the

772
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,760
requirements

773
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,600
condition number three set the

774
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,000
completion date as December 31st 2005.

775
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Obviously, that's passed and it was only

776
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,400
again a month after the ordinance was

777
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,280
adopted.

778
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,280
I've got in the draft of a completion

779
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,360
date of December 31st 2027 and I think

780
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000
in one of the reports I had Christmas

781
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,400
day.

782
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,760
I don't know that was just put it on my

783
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,640
mind, but

784
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,200
after discussions after planning

785
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,720
commission last night with

786
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,840
my wife city staff,

787
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,000
I think it's not unreasonable.

788
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,277
I think it'd be prudent

789
00:31:53,277 --> 00:31:54,000
>> [clears throat]

790
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,440
>> to extend the completion date to

791
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,720
December 31st of 2030. Um

792
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,840
2027's not out as far as it used to be

793
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
and there's a lot of work that has to be

794
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
done in getting everything drawn up and

795
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
getting the funding for it etc.

796
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,160
The reason why we have

797
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880
a date in there is we don't want to be

798
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,240
like that

799
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,320
um

800
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,120
children's song about the bridge in

801
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Avignon that's in southern France that's

802
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040
only halfway built. It actually was

803
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,720
built all the way

804
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640
thousand years ago, but it was struck

805
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,360
down by flood years ago and now it's

806
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520
just half a bridge there. So, we're

807
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,360
going to make sure that um

808
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,680
it

809
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,400
um we we trust that the city will

810
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,720
complete it. We just want to make sure

811
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,080
that that actually happens and then

812
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,120
um um

813
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,040
also when we get to it later on, I

814
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,680
request that

815
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,800
the uh

816
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,880
commission

817
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,640
uh

818
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
approve commissioner

819
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,680
uh Chair McAmis

820
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,080
deal with signing signing the

821
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880
development agreement with Moab City.

822
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,920
So, I'm happy to take any questions or

823
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800
hear any public comment.

824
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,790
Questions? Anybody?

825
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,350
Any public comment on this one?

826
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,600
All right, it seems it looks like you're

827
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,160
in the clear, Andrew.

828
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Thank you.

829
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Um I believe No, the next one isn't

830
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,840
yours. It All right, that will remain

831
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,400
open

832
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,240
unless the vote is to suspend

833
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,400
the rules and so we'll look at that

834
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,840
again at on the number nine later. So,

835
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,840
with that, I'll see you

836
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,840
>> We'll do that down there.

837
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,080
>> Uh we we do it on that action night.

838
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,440
>> Yeah, on the action when it comes up to

839
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,078
the

840
00:33:38,078 --> 00:33:38,760
>> [clears throat]

841
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,520
>> Yeah.

842
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,120
>> Thank you.

843
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320
So, we've got number two of public

844
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,080
hearing to amend the 2026 budget and

845
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,840
2026 consolidated fee schedule. April

846
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,550
Oil Tech Clerk Auditor.

847
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,160
» Thank you, Mr. Chair.

848
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,240
All right, so uh

849
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,160
there have been a couple of little

850
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560
budget workshops by the commission that

851
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,320
discussed this uh

852
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,560
the proposed amendment in detail. I'll

853
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,760
provide a quick recap and an update

854
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,960
as of

855
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,919
uh as of yesterday is when this document

856
00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:15,399
was prepared and is in the agenda packet

857
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:17,159
of all those uh

858
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:18,520
proposed amendments discussed. I'll try

859
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,639
to do so briefly. Um

860
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,440
hit on the high notes. Uh there were a

861
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,320
number of revenue projections that are

862
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,480
updated and and proposed to be amended

863
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,639
in the budget based on year-to-date

864
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,480
actuals and some adjustments in

865
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,720
projection methodology.

866
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:37,320
Uh there were some revenues that were

867
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,720
adjusted based on um

868
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,639
more information that we have regarding

869
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,720
a variety of revenues, whether you know,

870
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:45,440
based on what we budgeted for and what

871
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,280
actually came in and what what can be

872
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,879
reasonably projected through the end of

873
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,360
the year based on what our year-to-date

874
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,800
actuals are.

875
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,440
So that you know, since we're doing an

876
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,120
amendment, it makes sense to try to um

877
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,840
you know, craft a budget that is as

878
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,920
accurate as reasonably possible based on

879
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,360
the information that we have available.

880
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Uh there was a an adjustment in salary and benefits

881
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,760
based on actual and expected staffing

882
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,200
levels. And I'm starting right now

883
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,040
basically um focusing on the general

884
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,000
fund cuz when really when we talk about

885
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,240
the budget, we're focusing on the

886
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,760
general fund, which is where we house a

887
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,600
lot of the unrestricted funds um for the

888
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600
county and where all of our the you

889
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,800
know, the great majority of the

890
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,440
operations of the of the county are

891
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,480
conducted budgetarily.

892
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,040
So there were salary and benefits there

893
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480
was an increase in 269,000

894
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
um in salary and benefits to be expected

895
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,560
to be spent out uh by the end of 2026.

896
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Uh as well as a slight net increase in

897
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080
operational expenses. And again, that

898
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,440
has to do with um just looking at

899
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,280
actuals and seeing, okay, if we if we

900
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,760
know we're already over budget on a

901
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,720
given line, um you know, and we're doing

902
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,040
an amendment, we're going to go ahead

903
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,760
and amend that that line up so we can

904
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,000
cover it.

905
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,960
The uh

906
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000
it and then in a variety of other the

907
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,800
other funds um mostly have to do with

908
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,680
those salary and benefit updates um as

909
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,720
well as the the funds that house

910
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:08,840
um

911
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,480
the budget for different restricted

912
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,000
funds, which is why we kind of use

913
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,840
governmental funds um outside of the

914
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,800
general funds to sort of

915
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,240
uh pass through specific revenues um

916
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,040
that that um

917
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,720
that are sourced towards specific types

918
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,360
of activities.

919
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,880
Uh and so as you can see, we There There

920
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,320
are certain revenues associated with the

921
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,800
roads department, with the restaurant

922
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,800
tax and the TRT,

923
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,400
and that we all that There There was

924
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,320
discussion and agreement based on an

925
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
updated projection methodology based on

926
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,110
the information that we have today.

927
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,160
The The large The really what triggered

928
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,320
this amendment process was an allocation

929
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360
of $500,000 to be made towards the

930
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600
Arches shuttle pilot.

931
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Um and in order to do so, right now in

932
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Fund 47, there's an allocation of

933
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,280
optional sales tax funds that are housed

934
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,600
in the reserve balance of that fund, an

935
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,760
allocation of $350,000

936
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,840
as well as an a novel allocation of

937
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,440
$150,000

938
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,240
out of TRT mitigation to make up the

939
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,160
entire $500,000,

940
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,480
which is a new which was a new

941
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,880
appropriation introduced into the 2026

942
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,440
budget.

943
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,840
Uh another highlight that came up at

944
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,080
last Monday's meeting is that part of

945
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,680
the

946
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,040
part of an agreement with the Grand

947
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640
County EMS Special Service District was

948
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,440
for them to

949
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,560
uh give back the the allocation of PILT

950
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,200
that they were allotted by this

951
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,840
commission late last year in exchange

952
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,440
for the increase in the tax rate that was implemented and so that excess

953
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,240
amount of PILT uh

954
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:48,920
which

955
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,270
I can find where that is.

956
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,880
Here it is. Uh 189,552.

957
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Um

958
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,640
that amount that given back of PILT was

959
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,960
used to fulfill 100% allocations made to

960
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,800
the Solid Waste Special Service District

961
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400
and the Recreation Special Service

962
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,640
District in their initial budget

963
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,960
requests.

964
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Um there is some excess PILT that we'll

965
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,320
have to track in that fund and hopefully

966
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,800
we can at the end of the year amendment,

967
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,840
we can find a way to utilize that

968
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200
51,552,

969
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,520
so we're not carrying that um that

970
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960
separate type of restricted fund um

971
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,920
revenue in that fund, which would be my

972
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,600
recommendation.

973
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,840
And I think that that really sums up all

974
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,880
I need to talk about. We you know, these

975
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,160
items were discussed in detail at budget

976
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,600
workshops in addition to the

977
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,320
documentation I provided in the agenda

978
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,280
summary or the agenda packets for those

979
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,480
workshops. Uh and

980
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,280
that's it. That's That's the sum up

981
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,160
here.

982
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,360
And this is a hearing um that the public

983
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680
will be able to speak on and and the

984
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,000
potential

985
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,720
approval of this proposed amendment

986
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:56,840
would occur at the next commission

987
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,280
meeting.

988
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,000
>> And that public comment will remain open

989
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,200
through Wednesday of next

990
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,520
week, correct? 5:00 p.m.

991
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Okay. Any questions, Commissioners?

992
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Any public comment on this item?

993
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:24,430
Yes, ma'am.

994
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,040
» I'm Mary O'Brien with Castle Valley.

995
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,680
As you vote on what proportion of the

996
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,840
shuttle experiment will be funded by

997
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000
tourists via the transit room tax

998
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,520
and what proportion will be paid by

999
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,080
county residents as a sales tax on their

1000
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,760
purchases via fund 47,

1001
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,720
it's good to look back at the creation

1002
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,840
of fund 47.

1003
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,840
In 2015, the Grand County official voter

1004
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,000
information pamphlet about proposition

1005
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,080
one, the sales tax that became fund 747,

1006
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,360
said that the question was on the ballot

1007
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,480
was

1008
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,720
"Shall Grand County be authorized to

1009
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,760
impose a quarter of 1% sales and use tax

1010
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,520
for the specific purposes of

1011
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,160
transportation improvements such as

1012
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
roads, trails, sidewalks, maintenance,

1013
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,120
and traffic and pedestrian safety

1014
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,520
features?"

1015
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,600
The official voter pamphlet always

1016
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
publishes an argument for and against

1017
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,400
the proposition on the ballot to help

1018
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,480
voters to decide how they want to vote.

1019
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
In 2015, the Grand County Council wrote

1020
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,000
the argument for voting yes for the Fund

1021
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,880
47 tax.

1022
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,040
The County Council told voters, quote,

1023
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,600
"Proposition 1 is dedicated exclusively

1024
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,640
to our local transportation needs and a

1025
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,280
vote for will provide an additional

1026
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920
source of funding."

1027
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
I'm not claiming it is illegal to use

1028
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,840
Fund 47 funds for a shuttle van

1029
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,120
experiment into Arches,

1030
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,880
but I think the voters were led to

1031
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,000
believe that if they taxed themselves

1032
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,720
for Fund 47, it would be used for

1033
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,880
maintenance of their roads and active

1034
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,800
transportation trails and not for

1035
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,000
overturning Arches National Park

1036
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,760
decisions about transportation in that

1037
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,800
national park.

1038
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,400
In 2025, the Grand County Commission

1039
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,600
certainly didn't survey Grand County

1040
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,440
residents about the shuttle system, let

1041
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,600
alone whether they would like this tax

1042
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,200
on their purchases to be used to send

1043
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,880
vans into Arches National Park and

1044
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,320
whether they would like their county

1045
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,360
commissioners and staff time to be spent

1046
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,800
on managing transportation

1047
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,840
in a national park,

1048
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,000
including monthly meetings.

1049
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
Current for for their

1050
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,520
for this van experiment, the National

1051
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,880
Park Service is supposed to be

1052
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,360
committing 1.5 million. Currently,

1053
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Arches National Park is short 9.4

1054
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,480
million for their maintenance and repair

1055
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,440
backlog for roads, water treatment, and

1056
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,360
septic systems.

1057
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,640
The National Park Service shed 24% of

1058
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,640
its permanent workforce since January 25

1059
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,800
and more will be cut in 27.

1060
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Facility operations and maintenance is

1061
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,640
budgeted for a reduction of 39% in 2027

1062
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,320
from 2026.

1063
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,800
And meanwhile, 10 billion permanent

1064
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,000
funding is being budgeted for the

1065
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,440
National Park Service for the

1066
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,760
presidential capital stewardship

1067
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,760
program, that is beautification projects

1068
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,640
in DC.

1069
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,280
Since January 2025, the budget

1070
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,000
priorities from the Grand County

1071
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,200
Commission all the way to DC have been

1072
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,360
inexcusably short on asking for or

1073
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,120
paying attention

1074
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,680
to what their constituents want.

1075
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Thank you.

1076
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,440
>> Thank you. Do we have anyone else to

1077
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,840
make comment?

1078
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,670
Yes, sir.

1079
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,880
» I have a comment. This is Tory Hill.

1080
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,760
>> Um Tory, let's wait. I've got one

1081
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,520
gentleman coming up to the microphone

1082
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,560
and microphone and I'll talk

1083
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,400
next.

1084
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,040
>> Thank you.

1085
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,390
>> My name is Keith Gross.

1086
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,640
When I know my good friend Lynch Jackson

1087
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,400
is here, when people across the

1088
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,440
political spectrum

1089
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,880
such as us

1090
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,240
um

1091
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,600
when people with backgrounds of business

1092
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,400
and finance, economics, public lands

1093
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,000
management, when the overwhelming

1094
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,760
sentiment and comments from your

1095
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,000
constituents all tell you that the

1096
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,080
artist shuttle plan is a misguided waste

1097
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,000
of our taxpayer money.

1098
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Regardless of the shell game of how you

1099
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,040
plan to come up with the revenue.

1100
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Um

1101
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,440
don't you think it's time to acknowledge

1102
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,640
the folly?

1103
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,760
And

1104
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,080
I haven't heard any discussion of the

1105
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,680
liability exposure that that leads us

1106
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,360
to.

1107
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,200
On a personal note, I have no problem

1108
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,200
with public transportation.

1109
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,840
In fact, I didn't even own a motor

1110
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,480
vehicle of any sort including a car

1111
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,720
until I was 35. I love alternate forms

1112
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,360
of transportation.

1113
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,880
I've carpooled, I've ridden municipal

1114
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,400
buses, I've ridden commuter trains, Bay

1115
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Area Bay Area Rapid Transit known as

1116
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
BART, Amtrak, I've even hopped freights

1117
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,870
and I've hitchhiked.

1118
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,840
And speaking of hitchhiking,

1119
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,840
that might actually be a more effective

1120
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160
way for people to get to Arches rather

1121
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,680
than a shuttle. It'd probably be more

1122
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,960
efficient. Anyways, that's sort of on a

1123
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,960
Hopefully you have my note. Okay, thank

1124
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,040
you for your time.

1125
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,840
>> Thank you.

1126
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,600
Are there any anyone else on this

1127
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,520
public comment regarding the budget? Um

1128
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,840
should Well, let's see. Actually, I'm

1129
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,840
going to go online to Tory Shushan

1130
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,790
trying to speak up earlier.

1131
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,680
» Oh, yes, thank you. My name is Tory

1132
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,760
Hill, and I'd like to speak once again

1133
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,520
on the shuttle and the $500,000 proposed

1134
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,960
expense for the county. You have already

1135
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600
spent $60,000 for a study on the timed

1136
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,840
entry system that only validated what

1137
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,480
the majority of our citizens and

1138
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,360
business owners were saying all along.

1139
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,440
Visitation in Arches may have dropped by

1140
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,040
14%,

1141
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,920
but overall spending in our county and

1142
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400
visitation to other places in our county

1143
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,120
increased. The timed entry system was

1144
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,720
working. People liked it. Businesses did

1145
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,120
better. Easing some of the congestion in

1146
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
the park made it more enjoyable for

1147
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,880
everyone, the park service included.

1148
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,280
This kind of project and expense should

1149
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040
not be brought before the commission

1150
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,200
mid-year with no public input. Was there

1151
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,920
a survey or an advertised public comment

1152
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
period on this that I missed? It seems

1153
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,520
to me you owe it to the citizens of

1154
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,320
Grand County to ask if we even want the

1155
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,520
shuttle system or the expense of it

1156
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,720
before implementing a pilot program.

1157
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,160
After we after all pay your salaries and

1158
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,360
some of us elected you.

1159
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,320
As a treasurer of Castle Valley who is

1160
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,840
always pinching every dime to save our

1161
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,000
taxpayers' money and to balance our

1162
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,320
budget. I cannot fathom how you can

1163
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,360
justify spending 500,000 on a shuttle

1164
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,520
pilot that will only serve a very few

1165
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,880
visitors. Castle Valley just spent

1166
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,280
500,000 out of a million on a critical

1167
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,800
culvert project. We had to save for over

1168
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,000
10 years to even have the money to do

1169
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,200
it, and now we can't pave our road. We

1170
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,080
are extremely grateful for the grants

1171
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,520
that paid for the other half of the

1172
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,720
culvert.

1173
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,000
I can see no benefit to this to our

1174
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,480
county. The citizens who pay taxes will

1175
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,640
not see any benefits from this, and the

1176
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,680
majority of tourists will not see any

1177
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,640
benefits. What about liability? If

1178
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,760
someone dies of heat exposure waiting

1179
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,720
for a shuttle after they have run out of

1180
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,600
water or or can find no shade, who is

1181
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,240
liable? From your cooperative agreement,

1182
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,440
it looks like Grand County is.

1183
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,240
You plan on funding this from fund 47,

1184
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,480
which is for county parks, trails, and

1185
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,600
recreation, not to fund national park

1186
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,920
projects. That should come out of

1187
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,760
federal funds. From what I understand,

1188
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,840
you plan on taking half of the reserves

1189
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,400
in fund 47 to finance this program. What

1190
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,240
happens when we have another need for

1191
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,680
those funds, and you have spent it here?

1192
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,480
Will you then pull it from our general

1193
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,840
funds? How will you fund this project in

1194
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,800
the future? More of our tax dollars?

1195
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,120
Which brings me to my final point today.

1196
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,400
By implementing this project, you are

1197
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,720
actually triple taxing Grand County

1198
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,080
citizens. This will be paid for by the

1199
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,760
county, the state, and the feds. We

1200
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,760
citizens of Grand County pay county

1201
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,040
taxes, state taxes, and federal taxes,

1202
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,200
which is in essence triple taxation. And

1203
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,240
you haven't even asked us if we want it.

1204
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,480
Before you finalize your vote on the

1205
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,760
shuttle and this expenditure, I would

1206
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,440
really like to hear from those of you

1207
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,560
who are pushing this through. Who do you

1208
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,600
think that this project will serve? You

1209
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,560
owe it to all of us to say so. And it is

1210
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,320
also your responsibility to find out if

1211
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Grand County really wants this before

1212
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,040
spending some money.

1213
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,280
I hope this makes a difference. Thank

1214
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,520
you.

1215
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,560
>> Thank you, Tori. And then I have two

1216
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,240
arms up in the commission. I'm going to

1217
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:29,510
go with the lady first.

1218
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,760
» My name's Allison Matthews. I'm a

1219
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,040
resident of Moab. Like

1220
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,240
previous speakers, I'm going to talk

1221
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,440
about the use of Grand County tax

1222
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,680
dollars on the shuttle system.

1223
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,120
I think this

1224
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,480
what we saw in the what Gabe presented

1225
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,760
of moving the 350k

1226
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,440
from fund 47 to go towards the half a

1227
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,120
million dollars of Grand County part of

1228
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,160
the shuttle system means basically we

1229
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520
can't afford it. At previous meetings,

1230
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,520
Mr. Martinez stated very clearly that he

1231
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,480
thought there was tons of money, I'm

1232
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,400
paraphrasing, plenty of money in the TRT

1233
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000
mitigation fund and basically we could

1234
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,640
get something, again I'm kind of

1235
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,520
paraphrasing, for almost nothing.

1236
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,680
This movement of the money that's

1237
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,520
supposed to be for us shows that that's

1238
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,520
not the case. Additionally, I contend

1239
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,000
that uh Grand County residents are not

1240
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,320
going to be benefiting from the shuttle

1241
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
system. I doubt that people will be

1242
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,560
riding it and I will argue that the

1243
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160
shuttle system will harm Grand County

1244
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,680
businesses. I believe that people who

1245
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,440
are riding the shuttle system will be

1246
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,080
parking downtown so they can catch the

1247
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,440
shuttle from town for up to 10 hours a

1248
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000
day. If people are on the shuttle system

1249
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
for 10 hours a day, they are not going

1250
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,640
into local businesses for lunch, for

1251
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,280
dinner, for buying their t-shirts and

1252
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,160
whatever else, booking a tour, they are

1253
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,080
taking up limited parking, and we all

1254
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,360
know there's not enough parking downtown

1255
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,960
to go into arches where they're not

1256
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,960
spending a dime to benefit Grand County

1257
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680
businesses while they are there.

1258
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Um

1259
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,080
Uh next topic, uh the last speaker

1260
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,120
mentioned the uh liability. I'm going to

1261
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,560
read from I think it was attachment D,

1262
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,080
section G15 for sure, insurance. The

1263
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,680
first sentence reads, "The partner" and

1264
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,280
by the way, partner means Grand County

1265
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,120
uh must obtain and maintain during the

1266
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,160
term of this agreement at full cost and

1267
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,320
expense the types and amounts of

1268
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,320
insurance coverage necessary to fulfill the obligations of this

1269
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,240
agreement and as described herein. In

1270
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,840
other words, the cost of the insurance

1271
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
for this system, which has got to be

1272
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,840
significant, is in addition to the half

1273
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,840
a million dollars that we have to put

1274
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,240
forward. Where is that going to come

1275
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,600
from? Has that been accounted accounted

1276
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,720
for in our budget? I don't think so. And also, um

1277
00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:59,720
the

1278
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:01,120
county

1279
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,080
manages the contract. The partner is

1280
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,240
responsible for a whole ton of things.

1281
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,760
If you go through the contract and you

1282
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,640
look at the attachments, then it's "The

1283
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,160
partner will do this. The partner will do that. The partner will

1284
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,920
do X Y Z blah blah blah." It's page

1285
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,040
after page after page. It is line after line of things that the

1286
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,480
county is responsible for doing. Yes,

1287
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,320
many of those things will be the

1288
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,520
responsibility of the contractor to do,

1289
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,400
but someone's got to make sure that they

1290
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,040
do it. You can't just say, "Oh,

1291
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,520
contractor, you're going to make sure

1292
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,640
all your employees are drug tested, your

1293
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,640
drivers?" No, you got to confirm that.

1294
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,240
You're going to make sure the county's

1295
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,120
got to make sure that that that all of

1296
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,880
them have their CDLs and everything

1297
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,400
else. It Grand Canyon National Park,

1298
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,120
which manages their shuttle system on a

1299
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,560
contractor, has a full-time employee

1300
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,280
with a job title transit system program

1301
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,520
manager. I somehow

1302
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,680
full-time employee, more complex system,

1303
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:03,920
but a full-time employee. I somehow highly suspect that uh Mr. Tyner or any other county

1304
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,960
resident has tons of free time to take

1305
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,520
on this level of additional

1306
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,320
responsibility. Thank you.

1307
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,880
>> Thank you.

1308
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:20,790
Yes, gentleman in the back.

1309
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:26,430
» Ron Jackson. Grand County resident. Um

1310
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,720
uh

1311
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,080
I think there may not be as much Well, let me speak

1312
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,960
just for myself.

1313
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,680
I'm not necessarily opposed to a shuttle

1314
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,630
system.

1315
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,440
But what I would have expected out of

1316
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,280
our county is a holistic shuttle system.

1317
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,760
Something that connects the south end of

1318
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,120
the valley to the north end of I-70,

1319
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,760
Dead Horse Point, Arches,

1320
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,400
uh downtown hotels, and the whole thing.

1321
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,680
I I think if there we had taken some

1322
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,280
time to actually do a study to build as

1323
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,680
I think Pete your friend says

1324
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,520
a good public transportation system you

1325
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,520
that would have had support.

1326
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,120
What you've done here though

1327
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,520
falls under the guise of poor fiscal

1328
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,600
management.

1329
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,480
Spring Hill.

1330
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,070
Um

1331
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,320
$500,000 taxpayer money in a county our

1332
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,760
size with what, a $20 million budget, is

1333
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,040
nothing to be sneezed at.

1334
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,000
Uh

1335
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,040
and it doesn't matter how you move the

1336
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,440
money around and what shell you put it

1337
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,320
under. It's coming out of our pockets.

1338
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,480
And I think there's a lot of people in

1339
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,320
Grand County that are fed up with their

1340
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,960
taxes going up. We pay more sales tax

1341
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,880
now. Thank you.

1342
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,720
We pay more property tax and I know

1343
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,400
that's not entirely your fault, but I

1344
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,440
don't mind when I'm $1,500 a year this

1345
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,560
year.

1346
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,120
People are done.

1347
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,720
And we're fed up with being taxed to

1348
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,520
death. If there's an extra $500,000

1349
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,320
laying around in our budget,

1350
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,880
I think most residents would like to see

1351
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,960
that

1352
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,800
put towards some kind of a tax reduction

1353
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,560
program, not creating

1354
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,320
these

1355
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,960
to subsidize a national park with the

1356
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,080
system that they previously analyzed and

1357
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400
declined.

1358
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,560
That is what I don't understand.

1359
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,120
$500,000 could be used to pay all

1360
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,440
employee COLAs this year.

1361
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760
$500,000 could be used to kick-start the

1362
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,160
Spanish Trail multi-purpose

1363
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,400
uh path,

1364
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,840
which has been discussed ever since I

1365
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,000
was back on the commission 12 years ago.

1366
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Money has been set aside. That is a

1367
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,880
direct positive impact to the citizens

1368
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,280
of this valley,

1369
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,680
not to a bunch of tourists coming down

1370
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,120
to want to take a shuttle out to Arches

1371
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,640
National Park.

1372
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,680
Um

1373
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,080
to me it's a sub it's a sub it's uh the

1374
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,240
benefit is primarily for the uh the few

1375
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,640
out-of-town visitors.

1376
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Maybe some of this spins off into more

1377
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,680
visitation and and increased business.

1378
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,120
We don't know, but I don't know how

1379
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,080
you'd ever tease that out.

1380
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,800
Uh uh so you know, I'll close up here.

1381
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,760
Um

1382
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,920
I expected more when I worked hard to

1383
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,160
support and help elect some of you

1384
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,040
folks. I expected from a conservative

1385
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,320
standpoint fiscal responsibility. And

1386
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,280
I'm here to tell you today,

1387
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,160
this isn't it. So, I'm a little bit

1388
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,680
disappointed, so

1389
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,560
thank you.

1390
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,200
>> Thank you. Do we have anyone else?

1391
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,840
Yes, please come forward.

1392
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,600
Do we have anybody else online?

1393
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,120
If will you remind them to raise their

1394
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,560
hand?

1395
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:37,918
do you know here?

1396
00:55:37,918 --> 00:55:38,520
>> [clears throat]

1397
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,440
>> Yeah, if anybody else is online, please

1398
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,120
raise your hand so we're aware that you

1399
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,720
want to speak.

1400
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,920
Thank you. Go ahead, ma'am.

1401
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,280
>> Uh hi, my name is Samantha Derbyshire. I

1402
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520
am the owner of Coyote Shuttle,

1403
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,560
I did not have time to prepare cuz I

1404
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,400
found out that about this at the last

1405
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,520
minute, but here I am. Um

1406
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:00,000
Fund 47 uh is what manages or takes care

1407
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,720
of our paved trails.

1408
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,160
Uh our paved trails are how my riders

1409
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,560
return to town at the end of their ride.

1410
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,880
They need safe ways to return to town

1411
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,840
after their bike ride. Many of them are

1412
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,760
tired from riding 20 to 30 miles and

1413
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,600
they need a safe return.

1414
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,280
Um Fund 47 also

1415
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,000
uh is where the salaries of Matt Ylagan

1416
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,320
and Evan Smiley, who run GCAT, come

1417
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,840
from. Uh those positions are crucial to

1418
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,240
the maintenance of keep and expansion of

1419
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,840
our trails in this town. Uh trails that

1420
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,360
my business relies on.

1421
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,880
Um Fund 47 could also help fund the

1422
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Spanish Valley bike path, which seems to

1423
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,080
be very slow-moving and as a resident of

1424
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,080
a royal crossing, is very much needed.

1425
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,680
It is very unsafe to ride on Spanish

1426
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,240
Valley Drive in and out of town. I have

1427
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,040
a bike, I do it, and I am terrified.

1428
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,360
Um

1429
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:02,640
as we turn

1430
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,600
it feels like we're turning away from

1431
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,800
our trails and upkeep and expansion in

1432
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,200
many ways.

1433
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,160
Um and also a big push for motorized

1434
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,680
recreation over everything else.

1435
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Um

1436
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680
more places to bike, people are going to

1437
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,800
go elsewhere because we're just not we

1438
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,760
don't care about them anymore. And

1439
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,800
lastly, a 10-day

1440
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,040
uh RFP

1441
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,280
was a total disregard for the local

1442
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,640
businesses like mine who could have

1443
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,360
presented a bid

1444
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,400
for us to build our businesses, to

1445
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,920
expand, to bring in money to our

1446
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,440
businesses and have money stay local

1447
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,640
rather than going to outside sources.

1448
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,000
So, hopefully I got Thank you.

1449
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,350
>> Thank you.

1450
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Anyone else?

1451
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,640
>> Yes.

1452
00:57:53,640 --> 00:58:01,630
please.

1453
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,800
» My name is Amy Saad. I'm a Grapevine

1454
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,520
resident.

1455
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,720
Um I agree with everything everyone said

1456
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,920
today, so thank you. I know this brief.

1457
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Um dear commissioners, I appreciate that

1458
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,360
you're excited about the Archer shuttle

1459
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,360
project.

1460
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,440
I imagine it might seem unappealing to

1461
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,920
pause this project since it's such a

1462
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,720
great green idea that will allow people

1463
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,720
to carpool, saving gas, reduction of

1464
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,120
pollution among other benefits.

1465
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,400
However, I kindly encourage you to

1466
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,600
change your course of action and rethink

1467
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,120
digging in your heels. Let's pursue the

1468
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,160
right time and process for such a huge

1469
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,200
commitment community investment.

1470
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,640
This This could include, say, running a

1471
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,720
feasibility study or putting out a

1472
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,280
public survey.

1473
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Frustration with your approach appears

1474
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,800
to be a glaringly non-partisan issue,

1475
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,720
which is unusual for our community these

1476
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,720
days. And I am sure you have read and

1477
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,240
heard the outrage on both sides of the

1478
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,840
aisle. Please lay down your sword.

1479
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Thank you.

1480
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,640
>> Thank you.

1481
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:09,670
Do we have anyone else? Yes, sir.

1482
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,280
» Thank you. I'm AJ Throckmorton. As

1483
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,840
always, thank you all for everything you

1484
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,120
do. Commissioners, not an easy job, so

1485
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,320
thank you.

1486
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,040
I got to say I agree with Mr. Jackson

1487
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,960
that a full valley multi-park shuttle

1488
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,320
system could definitely be an awesome.

1489
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Given this is just a pilot as we're

1490
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,760
going to speak on here, we're going to

1491
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,200
have plenty of data to evaluate

1492
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,000
something like that.

1493
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,560
I would say that it's kind of wild times

1494
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,920
when it's the conservatives in the room

1495
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,000
who are touting public transit, so

1496
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,160
something to be said there.

1497
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,400
Uh one thing's for sure, this shuttle

1498
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,480
system is not a mechanism for telling

1499
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,880
people they can't visit their national

1500
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,800
parks or that they can only do so during

1501
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,840
certain times. It's going to replace

1502
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,600
individual vehicle trips with shared

1503
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,160
transportation. It's going to reduce

1504
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,000
pressure on roads and parking. It's

1505
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,760
going to give us actual ridership and

1506
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,120
cost data. It represents a new

1507
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,640
philosophy where we mitigate tourism and

1508
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,840
manage access intelligently rather than

1509
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,840
solely restricting it.

1510
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,520
When we look at the ACE plan overall,

1511
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,040
which is the larger picture this shuttle

1512
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,840
system fits into,

1513
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,640
is that it includes consideration of

1514
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,240
improved trails, both bicycle and

1515
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,040
pedestrian trails, modernized

1516
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,920
infrastructure, better distribution of

1517
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,440
visitors. The purpose isn't simply or

1518
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,800
only to bring more people here.

1519
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,880
It's to manage the people who are

1520
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,280
already coming in a way that reduces

1521
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,320
congestion in Moab and across Grand

1522
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,480
County.

1523
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,080
I read that uh or we're going to be

1524
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,200
using a combination of TRT mitigation

1525
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,640
and Fund 47 to help secure the 2.5

1526
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:33,760
million from the state and federal

1527
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,000
partners.

1528
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,440
Given that over the first 6 months of

1529
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,000
this calendar year, TRT revenue is

1530
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,600
reportedly up 35% based on projections,

1531
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,520
approximately 950,000 bucks.

1532
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,920
I think that additional revenue helps

1533
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,200
absorb this investment without requiring

1534
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,840
ordinary departments to shoulder those

1535
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,280
costs.

1536
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Compared to previous Fund 47 uses and a

1537
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,240
couple of issues we've had with the

1538
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,320
state, I think this one makes complete

1539
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,800
sense.

1540
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,440
Now, given tourism remains the sole

1541
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,440
economic engine that we have, I think

1542
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,720
it's unwise to depend on it while also

1543
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,000
opposing practical investments that are

1544
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,320
going to make it function better for

1545
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,520
both visitors and residents alike.

1546
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,440
This current commission has taken

1547
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,520
criticism for changing direction for

1548
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,640
investing in access, betting that

1549
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,760
stronger management of our visitor

1550
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,560
economy will produce results.

1551
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,000
Revenue is now outperforming

1552
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,440
projections.

1553
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,440
Shuttle's moving into a real world pilot

1554
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,880
to continue that performance.

1555
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,800
Because of this commission's efforts and

1556
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,080
these results it's producing, definitely

1557
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,840
I'm fine to continue placing my faith in

1558
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,720
that direction.

1559
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,960
Thank you.

1560
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,150
>> Thank you.

1561
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,520
Anyone else?

1562
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,997
>> Yes, ma'am.

1563
01:01:47,997 --> 01:01:53,590
>> [clears throat]

1564
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,720
» Got three of them on.

1565
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,760
>> I

1566
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,400
I'm here to oppose the proposed

1567
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,680
reallocation of our 27

1568
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:00,520
>> Slow down, please.

1569
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,000
>> Oh, I'm so sorry. I've been done

1570
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,200
forever.

1571
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,800
Uh, do I have to say I'm a resident

1572
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:05,920
here?

1573
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,080
I live in Maui. I've lived here for a

1574
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,200
long time.

1575
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,440
Um, I'm here to oppose the proposed

1576
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,440
reallocation of fund 47 resources to

1577
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,640
support the Archer shuttle at least

1578
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,760
until the public receives clear answers

1579
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,640
about the long-term consequences of that

1580
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,840
decision.

1581
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,200
As a member of the public, I still do

1582
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,840
not understand what we are giving up in

1583
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,920
order to fund this project. This

1584
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,000
proposal is not creating new money, it's

1585
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,000
reallocating existing.

1586
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,840
That means we're giving up something in

1587
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,440
order to fund something else. What

1588
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,080
concerns me is that the public still

1589
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,880
does not have a clear understanding of

1590
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,680
what those trade-offs are, what their

1591
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,560
consequences may be,

1592
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,960
or what this decision means for future

1593
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,480
investments. Fund 47 has helped create

1594
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,400
and maintain the pathway system that

1595
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,120
residents and visitors use every day.

1596
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,800
If resources are being redirected from

1597
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,080
that fund, how will those continue to be

1598
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,000
maintained? And what transportation

1599
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,720
priorities will receive fewer resources

1600
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,880
as a result?

1601
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,520
This concern extends beyond this year's

1602
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,160
budget.

1603
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,640
If fund 47 is being asked to support the

1604
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,640
shuttle this year, what is the funding

1605
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,480
plan for next year and the year after

1606
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,840
that?

1607
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,160
If the shuttle is successful and

1608
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,280
expected to continue, are we looking at

1609
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,520
a one-time reallocation or the beginning

1610
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,680
of an ongoing commitment. Public

1611
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,000
deserves to understand not only today's

1612
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,480
trade-offs, but tomorrow's as well.

1613
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,920
Just because fund 47 can be used for

1614
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,360
this purpose does not answer the more

1615
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,040
important question, should it be?

1616
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,600
Communities thrive when they maintain

1617
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,680
and strengthen what is already working.

1618
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,760
Before resources are redirected from

1619
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,680
infrastructure residents and visitors

1620
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,920
use every day, the public deserves a

1621
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,200
clear and specific explanation of what

1622
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,040
will no longer be funded, maintained, or

1623
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,080
completed as a result.

1624
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,840
Until those questions are answered, I

1625
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,080
urge you not to approve this proposal.

1626
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,950
Thank you.

1627
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:03,590
» Thank you. Do we have anyone else?

1628
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,520
» Where have you been?

1629
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,520
>> I have someone online.

1630
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,320
>> It's Tim Smith.

1631
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,720
>> I can tell. I got it. I got it. I got

1632
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,800
it.

1633
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,560
>> Introduce yourself and

1634
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,080
>> Hi, Aaron Weisenberg.

1635
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,920
Um I'd like to also address uh

1636
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,320
some of the issues with the

1637
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,880
uh the funding of the shuttle uh system

1638
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,920
in relationship to which piles of money

1639
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,280
it's coming from. Uh seems like to me

1640
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,320
I've talked to several of you on this

1641
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,040
and the story [clears throat] isn't

1642
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,520
straight about what the impact like what

1643
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,440
the actual discussion is like, "Oh, it's

1644
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,920
these trails or the bike path or this pile [clears throat] of money."

1645
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,000
I get you guys will disagree on this. I

1646
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,000
just want you guys when you deliberate

1647
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,560
to actually agree on what you're

1648
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,960
disagreeing on so I can kind of feel

1649
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,800
like that that to me is like a trusting

1650
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
government. Like, "Oh, hey, the story is

1651
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,040
right." Right? Like if they're they're

1652
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,560
talking about the same story on that.

1653
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,880
And you know, I worked for Trailmix

1654
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:02,080
>> [clears throat]

1655
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,640
>> or I didn't work for them. I volunteered

1656
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,320
a lot. So I'm on the board for a lot and

1657
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,440
I remember, you know, we were the

1658
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,000
mountain biking people and the horse

1659
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,680
people. And when we set up trail mix and

1660
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,920
turned it over to the county, it was

1661
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,480
Curtis who was like, "Wow, trail mix is

1662
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,840
the like a he's like a I remember he

1663
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,400
rolled his eyes and he was like, ah, the

1664
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,320
mountain bikers, I got to say they, you

1665
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,240
know, they're an economic driver

1666
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,360
for for Grant County." And um you know,

1667
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,520
that like

1668
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,800
I use

1669
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,080
I try to ride my bike three or four

1670
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,240
times a week. I'm using those systems.

1671
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,160
Um

1672
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,000
so uh

1673
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,440
I guess what I'm saying uh is that came

1674
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,360
and we I remember us handing it over the

1675
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,240
employees and all that to the county

1676
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,720
being like, "Hey, we're we built all

1677
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,160
this stuff. We're entrusting you to

1678
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,320
maintain them." And uh I guess I'd leave

1679
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
it at that. Thank you.

1680
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,680
>> Thank you. And Quinn, who do you want to

1681
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:58,720
call online first?

1682
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,560
>> Uh do Pam Hackley.

1683
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,760
>> Pam Hackley, um if you'd like to

1684
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,840
proceed, introduce yourself, please.

1685
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,880
>> Uh hello, can you hear me?

1686
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,120
>> Yes, we can.

1687
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,440
>> Thank you. Um my name is Pam Hackley. I

1688
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,120
live out in Castle Valley. Uh resident

1689
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,560
of Grant County. And I would like to

1690
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,240
speak to the artist shuttle.

1691
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,520
Um

1692
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,080
I didn't catch the name of the woman who

1693
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,520
uh made comments

1694
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,720
prior to the man that just stood up. I

1695
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,680
would echo everything that she said

1696
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,160
um regarding the proposed shuttle idea.

1697
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,520
Um I think the money we uh I'm concerned

1698
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,760
about the way it would drain the

1699
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,360
county's funds that have been set aside

1700
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,280
for other purposes.

1701
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,840
And as well, the the commission has

1702
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,520
discussed on many occasions about um

1703
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,200
giving a cola to uh county employees. I

1704
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,520
think that's a higher and better use

1705
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,360
for any extra money that we're going to

1706
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,880
spend that might be uh challenging the

1707
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,040
budget for the county.

1708
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,880
Thank you very much.

1709
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,720
>> Thank you. Um

1710
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:10,840
who next?

1711
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:11,440
>> Uh

1712
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,240
Antoinette Firestack.

1713
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,920
>> Antoinette, um please introduce yourself

1714
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,950
and go ahead.

1715
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:21,880
» Um she's still

1716
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120
>> Um you're muted.

1717
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,880
Nope, can't hear you yet.

1718
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:28,840
>> Unmute. Okay.

1719
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,960
>> There you go.

1720
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,680
>> Good evening. My name is Antoinette

1721
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,600
Firestack. I live in Grand County. Uh I

1722
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,840
first wanted to say I appreciate

1723
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,720
everyone's hard work and time that you

1724
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,520
put into our community.

1725
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,320
Um secondly, I wanted to share my

1726
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,520
support for the Archers shuttle

1727
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,080
because I believe it will reduce parking

1728
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,520
congestion at the stops in the

1729
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,440
trailheads, which I I believe is the

1730
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,240
biggest um

1731
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,000
pro for for funding this.

1732
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,360
Also, it will reduce emissions from

1733
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,560
cars, which I can't imagine anybody

1734
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,480
would be against that as well.

1735
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,960
Um but biggest it will increase our

1736
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,080
visitors. I think they're um

1737
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,720
their experience will be more positive

1738
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,760
if they're not sitting in traffic and um

1739
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,800
they can be taken to the different sites

1740
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,480
and then thus it will increase tourist

1741
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,040
revenue from that regard. From what I'm

1742
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,720
hearing, it seems like the biggest

1743
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,799
concern seems to be the funding and um I

1744
01:08:19,799 --> 01:08:21,920
think that just comes from

1745
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,400
misunderstanding or not having enough

1746
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,000
information, so I would just encourage

1747
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,960
that more information is shared just so

1748
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,640
people can understand what that what it would be what it kind of

1749
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,799
impact it would be to our community.

1750
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:33,920
Thank you.

1751
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,000
>> Thank you.

1752
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:35,960
>> Who else?

1753
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,359
Rory Paxman is the first.

1754
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,120
>> Okay, Mr. Paxman.

1755
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,440
>> Hello, commissioners. Um thank you for

1756
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:44,799
your service. Appreciate you guys. It's

1757
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:46,279
hard work.

1758
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:47,480
Um

1759
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:50,040
I am in agreement with a bunch of

1760
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,319
people. Can you hear me?

1761
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,560
>> Please introduce yourself, sir.

1762
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,960
>> It's Rory Paxman.

1763
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,120
>> Thank you.

1764
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,120
>> Local citizen.

1765
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,240
Um

1766
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,960
thank you guys for your hard work and

1767
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,480
service. I appreciate you guys.

1768
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:07,279
Um, I know how hard it is to be up there

1769
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,240
and dealing with this [clears throat]

1770
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,359
kind of stuff. My thing is is I really

1771
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,880
wish that you guys had been a little

1772
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,440
more transparent on where we were

1773
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:17,520
getting the money.

1774
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,279
Also, I would have really like to have

1775
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,240
seen you guys try a a shuttle program

1776
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,560
with another company in town to see if

1777
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,000
this was even going to work before we

1778
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,440
started throwing money at um

1779
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,200
this

1780
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,359
transportation thing that's going on. I

1781
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,400
don't understand how it could

1782
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,520
we could get to this point without

1783
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,880
having some studies or having some

1784
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,160
understanding of what's going to happen.

1785
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,799
It'd be really nice if the National

1786
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,200
Park, you would have worked with them

1787
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,200
and maybe got a pass-through lane so

1788
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,759
that us companies that run river

1789
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:55,560
businesses here in town that have big

1790
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,280
buses that we could shuttle people in

1791
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,680
there could uh get in there a little

1792
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:04,480
easier with our um CUAs. So,

1793
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:13,190
um I don't I like the program, but I'm against what how it's going through.

1794
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,680
» Thank you. And who's next?

1795
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,080
>> I think that's it.

1796
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,680
>> Okay. Do we have anyone else online

1797
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,760
that's trying to speak?

1798
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,110
>> They have They're all set.

1799
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:38,230
» All right. In the audience, yes, sir.

1800
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:39,920
» Hello, commissioners. My name is Neil

1801
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,560
Herbert. I live in Grant County.

1802
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,920
And I would also like to share some

1803
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,760
thoughts on this reallocation of funds

1804
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,800
to the Archway shuttle.

1805
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,600
Uh as you know, I'm working to sit in

1806
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,360
one of these chairs uh at some point

1807
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,520
next year.

1808
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,720
And as As of that effort, I've talked to

1809
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,240
hundreds of Grand County residents.

1810
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,680
And uh the vast majority of them oppose

1811
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,040
this project. I would say that the

1812
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,800
breakdown is not dissimilar from what

1813
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,360
you've heard tonight. Like 85% that I've

1814
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,240
talked to are are for it, the rest are

1815
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,000
pretty much against it. Um and I oppose

1816
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,560
it as well.

1817
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,560
Um I'm intrigued by the idea of an

1818
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Arches shuttle. I think done right, it

1819
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,080
would open up amazing opportunities and

1820
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,040
experiences for Arches

1821
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,520
and reduce congestion and all the things

1822
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,400
we've heard about.

1823
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,680
But I think the manner in which this is

1824
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:28,920
being done,

1825
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,480
the way this effort is unfolding is

1826
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:33,640
uh is really concerning to me.

1827
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,520
Um I'm concerned that you're moving way

1828
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,960
too quickly, haphazardly, and ignoring a

1829
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,440
lot of expert advice.

1830
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:42,600
I'm concerned that you're taking money

1831
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,000
away from more important county

1832
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,040
projects.

1833
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,360
I'm concerned that locals are not going

1834
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,400
to get enough bang for their buck

1835
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,880
for the money that we're contributing.

1836
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,440
Uh

1837
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:53,760
I'm concerned that you're subsidizing

1838
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,120
the federal government.

1839
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,200
Um I've asked this before, isn't What

1840
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,680
other county spends this kind of money

1841
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,600
inside of a national park?

1842
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,240
And by that I mean moving people around

1843
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:03,640
inside the park, not just getting them

1844
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,640
to the door.

1845
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,760
Um but mostly, I'm concerned that you're

1846
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,120
ignoring the will of the voters.

1847
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,240
Um

1848
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,800
Earlier tonight,

1849
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,240
um

1850
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,120
Mayor Ryan read the content from that uh

1851
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,920
Proposition 1 from 2015 where Fund 47

1852
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,400
was born.

1853
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,520
Um and there's no mention national park

1854
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,000
shuttles in that language. And I don't

1855
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,440
think that's what voters had had had in

1856
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,880
mind when they passed it.

1857
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,000
Um

1858
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,520
I realize some of you have spent a great

1859
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,960
deal of time and effort on this project,

1860
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,920
and I applaud your dedication.

1861
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,720
I really hope that you are seeing

1862
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,800
something that I'm not seeing

1863
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,640
and that this somehow ends up being a

1864
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,320
benefit for our county.

1865
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,280
Thank you.

1866
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,950
>> Thank you.

1867
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,800
Anyone else?

1868
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,800
Mr. Stott, please come forward and

1869
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:03,630
introduce yourself.

1870
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,800
» Hi, my name is Dan Stott, Canyon

1871
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,240
resident. Been here for 34 years. Uh

1872
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,000
I've watched a lot of

1873
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,560
issues back and forth in this county and

1874
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,360
the city.

1875
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,320
Uh the shuttle program, I'll bring that

1876
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,200
up cuz that seems to be everybody's

1877
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,080
topic. Uh to [clears throat] be honest

1878
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,040
with you, I wasn't a fan of it to begin

1879
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,360
with.

1880
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,120
I wasn't a fan

1881
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,560
at all

1882
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,600
with the timed entry.

1883
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,240
And

1884
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,600
as the timed entry went, I programmed so

1885
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,680
it expired.

1886
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,520
And I was happy to see that happen.

1887
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,360
I did notice because I do a lot of

1888
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,600
hiking in the spring and late fall,

1889
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,760
winter and

1890
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,920
in Arches.

1891
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,080
There was a very large amount of people

1892
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,200
due to no snow, warmer weather in

1893
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,160
Arches.

1894
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,000
And just talking to them, they

1895
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,640
most of their comments of the people

1896
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,480
that I met there was

1897
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,520
timed entry. They wanted to get there be

1898
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,480
it before it happened.

1899
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:08,840
And of course, I informed them it was

1900
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,560
expiring.

1901
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,640
The shuttle program

1902
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,960
to me

1903
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,160
uh when I first thought about it or when

1904
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,480
I first started reading and studying

1905
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,480
I was like, "Okay, here we go. Another

1906
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,680
nonprofit."

1907
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,200
I have a thing about nonprofits. I ran a

1908
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,720
nonprofit. I've been involved in

1909
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,760
nonprofits.

1910
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,880
All the nonprofits that I see today are

1911
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,680
nonprofit for-profit businesses.

1912
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,640
If any one of those nonprofits own

1913
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,120
property,

1914
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,600
there's no property tax coming off that.

1915
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,960
Anyway,

1916
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,760
kind of getting off my subject of the

1917
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,440
shuttle and thinking, okay, here we go,

1918
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:53,160
another nonprofit.

1919
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,000
I found out it's a little different.

1920
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,560
This is a

1921
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,640
It's not called a pilot program, but

1922
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,360
it's a one-time deal.

1923
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,840
Got my fingers crossed though.

1924
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,710
The

1925
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,480
fund 27,

1926
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,480
I didn't look into it enough, but I do

1927
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,960
recall that we got in trouble using that

1928
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,150
money not too long ago.

1929
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:19,800
Uh

1930
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,160
if I'm correct, I think we ended up the

1931
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,320
state came down on us.

1932
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,040
Anyway, [clears throat] and I trust that

1933
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,880
our county attorney has advised you guys

1934
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,920
that we can't use these funds

1935
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,640
for the shuttle.

1936
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:37,720
Uh

1937
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,000
I

1938
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,560
thank you guys for all the work you've

1939
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,560
done, everything. I haven't done all my

1940
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,840
studies on this yet.

1941
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,720
But

1942
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,680
I'm seeing

1943
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,720
the possibility of this working.

1944
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,040
Hopefully the federal government,

1945
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,120
National Parks,

1946
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,480
will take it over and fund it

1947
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,080
themselves.

1948
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,720
If this is just a one-time deal,

1949
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,960
I'm in.

1950
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,800
That's what I think it is.

1951
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,480
Uh

1952
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,640
what's going to I'd like to thank you

1953
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,040
all for all your hard work, everything

1954
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:11,480
you've done.

1955
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,240
And

1956
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:14,840
thank you.

1957
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,070
>> Thank you, sir.

1958
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,790
Anyone else?

1959
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,840
Here, Dwight.

1960
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,150
Please introduce yourself.

1961
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,920
» Dwight Johnston.

1962
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,680
I'm born and raised in Moab. That my

1963
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,840
grandfathers settled Castle Valley here.

1964
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,160
Owned the what's the Castle Valley

1965
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,720
ranch now. It was my grandfather's,

1966
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,400
great grandfather's ranch.

1967
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,920
Him and his brother. So, I've been here

1968
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,840
forever. The

1969
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,960
talking to businesses,

1970
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,800
uh

1971
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,598
the timed entry was really

1972
01:16:50,598 --> 01:16:51,680
[clears throat] hurting them.

1973
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,120
And it kind of And it really hurts the

1974
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,000
tourists. Getting, you know, be from

1975
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,840
Europe and come over here for a vacation

1976
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,400
and show up and find it find out you

1977
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,160
can't go in Arches.

1978
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,800
It's real It was real frustrating. So,

1979
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,560
I'm really happy we got rid of that and

1980
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,560
we're trying to come up with something

1981
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,080
to replace it. And I I think this is a

1982
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,200
good

1983
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,960
a a great thing to try. I think I think it'll work. I think it'll it'll

1984
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,440
help our businesses and I think it'll

1985
01:17:16,440 --> 01:17:18,000
help the park. It'll help traffic

1986
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,600
congestion. I think there's a lot of

1987
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,960
pluses for giving this a try and you're

1988
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,160
not signing up for 10 years. It's a

1989
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,200
pilot program. Let's give it a try and

1990
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,120
see if it works. I think it will.

1991
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,240
And I'm kind of amazed at the people

1992
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,440
here uh

1993
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:33,920
complaining about the money that we're

1994
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,320
just so happy to spend all that money on trail

1995
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:39,840
ambassadors

1996
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,400
that that basically just

1997
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,960
told people where not to hike and handed

1998
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,040
out a little water. Uh so, this

1999
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,440
program's a great way to spend the

2000
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,240
money, I think. It's a pilot program and

2001
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,840
I appreciate all of you. I hope you pass

2002
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,390
it. So.

2003
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,760
» Thank you. And do we have anybody

2004
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,510
online? Um

2005
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,080
» Uh Kevin Flynt online, but I believe

2006
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,600
he's here for regular citizens to be

2007
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:05,800
heard, not a public hearing.

2008
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,400
>> Okay.

2009
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,000
All right, if there's no one else,

2010
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,880
we will move into our regular citizens

2011
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,600
to be heard,

2012
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,400
um which normally starts somewhere

2013
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,640
around 5:00. It's 5:15.

2014
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,840
Do we have anyone for regular citizens

2015
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,960
to be heard

2016
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,920
speaking on a different topic?

2017
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,030
Yes, please.

2018
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,080
» I'd like to speak.

2019
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,560
>> Any topic?

2020
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,120
>> Even even one that they have inquired

2021
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,480
previously.

2022
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:38,960
>> Um

2023
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,120
>> Mary O'Brien, [clears throat] Castle

2024
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,720
Valley.

2025
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,360
The majority of this commission prides

2026
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,360
itself on, quote, getting things done.

2027
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,720
It certainly has gotten things done in

2028
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,640
terms of inserting themselves into

2029
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,280
transportation management of a national

2030
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,400
park.

2031
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,320
In June 25, the majority committed

2032
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,680
60,425

2033
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,400
dollars to the Kem C. Gardner Institute

2034
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,400
to study whether timed entry contributed

2035
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,600
to a downturn in the economics of the

2036
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,760
county.

2037
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,200
In July 2025, not waiting for an answer,

2038
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,840
the majority asked Department of

2039
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,680
Interior Secretary Bingham to scrap

2040
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,000
timed entry because it was contributing

2041
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,440
to downturn in county economy.

2042
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,200
In November 2025, Commissioner Martinez

2043
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,640
introduced the eighth plan for visitor

2044
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,160
transportation in Arches. The majority

2045
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,600
passed it.

2046
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,080
The next month, in December 2025, the

2047
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,840
eighth plan was presented to Arches in a

2048
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,560
closed-door meeting with the state and

2049
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,240
feds and county commissioners presenting

2050
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,400
their plans for managing transportation

2051
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,160
in national parks near them. In May

2052
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,920
2026, the Gardner study was released

2053
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,840
showing that in fact timed entry had not

2054
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,160
resulted in an economic downturn in the

2055
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,480
county. In the same month, the majority

2056
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:07,080
voted to commit half a million dollars

2057
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,920
out of the budget to um fund contribute

2058
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,000
to a 3 million dollar one-year shuttle

2059
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,320
system experiment.

2060
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,520
Now, in August 2026, the commission may

2061
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,200
vote to switch the some of the

2062
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:32,160
500,000 to fund 47 um with tax county residents um taxing

2063
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,200
on their purchases.

2064
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,000
At no time in this past year has there

2065
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,520
been any public survey

2066
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,080
about its support for timed entry,

2067
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,320
funding a study on timed entry, sending

2068
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,160
a transportation plan to Arches,

2069
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,320
or contributing a half million to a

2070
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,880
three million dollar one-year study,

2071
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,680
um, to, uh, send tourist vans into

2072
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,200
Arches National Park which did not want

2073
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,440
the park with the the shuttle system.

2074
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:07,400
This is how things get done by

2075
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,640
authoritarian governments all over the

2076
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,670
world.

2077
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,750
» Anyone else?

2078
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:26,230
Yes, please.

2079
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,440
» I'm still short.

2080
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:31,520
Alison Mathus, resident of Moab, and

2081
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,360
I've been in and out of Moab for

2082
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,160
two-thirds of my life. So, um, longer

2083
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,400
than a lot of the age of a lot of people

2084
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,560
in, uh, this room. Um, my comments are

2085
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,320
going to be based on facts. I've got

2086
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,720
opinions based on facts, um, but it's

2087
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,920
based on facts. I want to start by

2088
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,920
talking about the agreement for this

2089
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,360
timed entry, and,

2090
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:53,360
uh,

2091
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,800
again, I'm going to read directly from

2092
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,400
it. It says, "A partner enters this

2093
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,160
agreement pursuant pursuant to the

2094
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,960
following authorities authorities. Utah

2095
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,680
Code blah blah blah." I'm not going to

2096
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,240
read you the number. It says,

2097
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,800
"Authorizes GC to provide services,

2098
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,920
exercise powers, and perform function,

2099
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,200
uh, that are reasonably related to the

2100
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,560
safety, health, morals, and welfare of

2101
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,680
county inhabitants."

2102
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,360
I do not think that this commission has

2103
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,480
provided any actual evidence that this

2104
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,840
shuttle system will do anything related

2105
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,480
to the safety, health, morals, or

2106
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:32,520
welfare of county inhabitants. The

2107
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,000
evidence is not there. I've heard

2108
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,360
statements, but I've heard no evidence.

2109
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,360
I have heard no facts. And a lot of the

2110
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,720
arguments that have been made

2111
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,360
by people in this room this evening are

2112
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,600
like, "Oh, timed entry was harming

2113
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,960
businesses." Well, that's just

2114
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,800
anecdotes. Secondly, there is a Gartner

2115
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,360
study that said that wasn't the case.

2116
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,120
And for every anecdote that anyone says

2117
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,360
that

2118
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,240
a visitor told me they hated timed

2119
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,880
entry, they planned their trip around

2120
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,240
timed entry, I personally can find you

2121
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,560
an anecdote, including ones that I heard

2122
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,920
from park visitors myself, of exactly

2123
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,720
the opposite. Okay? So again, data and

2124
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,240
facts, not

2125
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,160
anecdotes and and opinions. So I have

2126
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,240
not seen any evidence that this shuttle

2127
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,200
system will benefit residents,

2128
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,560
particularly not to the tune of 50 bucks

2129
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,440
per resident, which is what half a

2130
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:27,440
million dollars approximately is. That

2131
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,560
is hugely, hugely expensive. What else

2132
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,840
does this county spend $50 per resident

2133
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,840
on?

2134
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,440
I don't know anybody who plans to ride

2135
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,280
the shuttle. Uh

2136
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,320
also, from what I've seen, the number of

2137
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,800
people, visitors mostly, if not

2138
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,520
exclusively, that are going to ride the

2139
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,760
shuttle are very expensive. So a per

2140
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,080
person basis of getting people into the

2141
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,520
park is highly expensive. It will likely

2142
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,880
cost businesses money because if they're

2143
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,840
parking on Main Street, they're taking

2144
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,400
up parking, and if people can't park,

2145
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,520
they're going to be, "I'm going to blow

2146
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,720
this popsicle stand and not going to

2147
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,800
spend my money in town."

2148
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,880
You know, if if they can't talk, someone

2149
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,640
mentioned people with the commercial use

2150
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,960
authorizations, the CUAs. This shuttle

2151
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,000
system is going to directly compete with

2152
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,280
businesses who can bring people into the

2153
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,120
park. How is that benefiting that

2154
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,560
language in this agreement?

2155
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,280
Um

2156
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,480
Also, one thing that's greatly bothered

2157
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,160
me about this commission is that it has

2158
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,000
seemed to put all of their eggs in one

2159
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,360
basket related to tourism, and that is

2160
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,520
tied to Arches National Park. Moab is

2161
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,160
taking the opportunity to look for other

2162
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,360
ways that we can increase tourism that

2163
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,880
will directly benefit businesses in ways

2164
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,480
that a visitor spending time in Arches

2165
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:47,840
will not um um do. Thank you.

2166
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,240
>> Thank you.

2167
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:54,630
Anyone else?

2168
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,560
All right, let's go online. I think

2169
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,280
we've got a couple there. We'll start

2170
01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:58,920
with uh

2171
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,000
>> Hello. Hey, excuse me, online?

2172
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:03,720
>> Who is this?

2173
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,560
>> Rory again. Rory Paxman.

2174
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,560
>> Okay. Yep, thank you.

2175
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,600
>> Can I talk at the consent or for the

2176
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,200
uh citizens to be heard?

2177
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,440
>> Yes, sir.

2178
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:19,360
>> All right. Rory Paxman, uh Grand

2179
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,720
County resident. Um there's one thing

2180
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,720
that I want to discuss on the I think

2181
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,320
it's either on the consent agenda or the

2182
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,480
action items. I'm not sure which number

2183
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:30,520
it is, but it's on

2184
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:31,440
uh

2185
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:35,920
the FBO out at the airport for a 50-year

2186
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:36,720
um

2187
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,120
lease or a um contract with them.

2188
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,080
Um in the previous years, we've only

2189
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,720
done 30 years. Um I don't think any of

2190
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,040
you have spent a whole lot of time out

2191
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,280
there.

2192
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,280
Um but I think you need to spend more

2193
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,200
time before you decide what you're doing

2194
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,960
with that lease agreement with them.

2195
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,680
Um especially because it's going to be

2196
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,200
more of a

2197
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,350
um

2198
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,720
a monopoly out there if you

2199
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,320
don't be careful what what you're doing.

2200
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,440
Um I did not I've been to the all the

2201
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,000
airport boards. I have not seen the

2202
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,520
airport board to discuss this, but maybe

2203
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,880
I missed that. So, anyways, I just want

2204
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,520
to bring that to everybody's attention.

2205
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,480
Thank you.

2206
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:24,760
>> Thank you.

2207
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,040
All right, we are going to go to Ms.

2208
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,560
Campbell.

2209
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,200
>> Hello y'all. Um two two quick comments

2210
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,480
on two different agenda items. On agenda

2211
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:36,640
item, what is it? The Granicus for the

2212
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,280
um website update. I um just for

2213
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,960
context, I am a uh professional software

2214
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,480
and website designer. I lead a very very

2215
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:46,000
large team and large budget, so I can

2216
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,720
speak with some

2217
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,960
credentials to say $8,500 for a color

2218
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,920
and font change is crazy. And I don't

2219
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,480
say this as critique, I say this as

2220
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:57,600
guidance. I would highly highly

2221
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,440
recommend uh revisiting the details of

2222
01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:02,000
the budget items there cuz they're just

2223
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,560
listening to this to you as one unit. Uh the way the technology

2224
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,480
has improved, the task that they are

2225
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:11,080
describing would take about 30 minutes

2226
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,880
and I would assign a junior designer at

2227
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,240
like an $80 per hour public rate. Um so,

2228
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,320
I just want to give you all a heads-up.

2229
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,960
It's probably worth um

2230
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,640
having someone just kind of look over

2231
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:23,840
the current rates that you're being

2232
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,440
charged and the nature of the tasks uh

2233
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:28,600
because this is a

2234
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,440
maybe part of a larger pro- project

2235
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:31,600
where they're just kind of shifting a

2236
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,680
cost center onto this work, but um

2237
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,320
they're massively overcharging you for

2238
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:37,960
what they're um going to be doing. So, I

2239
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,120
just wanted to give you a heads-up to to

2240
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,320
be looking into that. Um and also just a

2241
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,040
request, and again not trying to um

2242
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,240
sort of feed into what other people have

2243
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:47,800
been commenting on, but but genuinely

2244
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,880
would love some clarification. It's

2245
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,600
unclear from the packet and from the

2246
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,560
budget notes if the proposal is to pay

2247
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,400
for the um the shuttle entirely at a

2248
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,760
fund 47 or partially at a fund 26 and

2249
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,520
partially at a fund 47. And it's

2250
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:03,920
possible that that might be part of the

2251
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,080
cross talk today, but for those of us

2252
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,000
who would like to submit comments um

2253
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,160
into the record after this public

2254
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,880
meeting, it would be very helpful to

2255
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,520
have just some clarification about what

2256
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,560
is actually being being intended cuz

2257
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,000
there's, you know, obviously some

2258
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,720
different ramifications depending on how

2259
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,560
that's um dealt out. This process has

2260
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,040
just been really opaque um and I hope

2261
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,040
this is something that maybe those of

2262
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,080
you who are running again or for folks

2263
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,800
who are running or for people running in

2264
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,080
a couple of years, um the fact that this

2265
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,760
has brought people together from across

2266
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:35,920
many different spectrums in the

2267
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,800
community, not necessarily against the

2268
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,120
project but just trying to understand

2269
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,440
where is this speed coming from, where

2270
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,120
is the information coming from, what is

2271
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:48,760
truth any time, what's um ideas. It's been really really frustrating to

2272
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,560
follow and I hope that you guys can hear

2273
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,960
that not from a place of critique or

2274
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,080
ideology or whatever but just just hear

2275
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,680
it as public officials and public um

2276
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,760
representatives. So, thank you all so

2277
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,960
much.

2278
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,320
>> Thank you.

2279
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,200
Mr. Clyde, are you on for public

2280
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,750
comment?

2281
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:16,950
Uh you're still on mute, sir.

2282
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,560
» Just listening today.

2283
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,240
>> There we go. Now we can hear you. Please

2284
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,000
introduce yourself for the record.

2285
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,560
>> He said he's just listening.

2286
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:24,080
>> Oh, you're just [clears throat]

2287
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:24,800
listening?

2288
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:25,680
>> Yes, mhm.

2289
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,960
>> Okay, thank you. Do we have anyone else

2290
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,000
on there, Quinn?

2291
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,840
>> Um

2292
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,040
I don't think [clears throat] so.

2293
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,760
>> Okay, if there's anyone else online,

2294
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,000
please feel free to raise your hand.

2295
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,160
All right, as well go back to the

2296
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,920
audience here in the

2297
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,480
chambers. If there's anyone else that

2298
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,520
wants to come forward.

2299
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,240
>> All right.

2300
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:48,880
>> What's that?

2301
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,200
>> We will move on from citizens to be

2302
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:59,710
heard.

2303
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,440
Let's see, we will move into our general

2304
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:04,320
business action items and discussion and

2305
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,560
considerations for approval. We start

2306
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,920
with commission members disclosures and

2307
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,120
future considerations.

2308
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,600
Yes, Commissioner Martinez. Excuse me,

2309
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,720
Commissioner McCurdy.

2310
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,480
>> Disclosure and then

2311
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:21,560
future consideration. Disclosure that

2312
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,400
the uh

2313
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,360
My wife works for the Sheriff's

2314
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,640
Department and future consideration.

2315
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,520
Uh I'll have to get back to you in just

2316
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,160
2 seconds. I wrote down some notes. Let

2317
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,800
me find them real quick on some tax.

2318
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,640
Uh it's part of my tax class that we

2319
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,360
want or that we did. Here we train the

2320
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,160
equalization or the equalization

2321
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,640
training.

2322
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:42,240
Uh

2323
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,640
we need to move forward with some of the

2324
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,160
facts that they brought. Uh they brought

2325
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,590
some

2326
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,640
Technically, it was pie charts and they

2327
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:51,920
brought some pie charts. They brought

2328
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,160
some uh property tax property tax

2329
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,520
estimated calculators

2330
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,320
that Washington County was using.

2331
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,840
I want to put it as a future

2332
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,600
consideration to reach out to Washington

2333
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:04,680
County.

2334
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,480
Uh see if we can get those and apply

2335
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,840
them our website. It was a property tax

2336
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,160
calculator and a percentage based on

2337
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,680
where your tax money goes in our county.

2338
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,280
It was a simple pie chart, but

2339
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,040
Yeah.

2340
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:19,720
>> Yeah, it's just a website on there I

2341
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,360
think it's on their auditor assessor's

2342
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:26,520
office that it just has a breakdown for where individual parcels of property

2343
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,400
it probably is something for the county

2344
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,440
admin office maybe to tackle and to see

2345
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:31,720
if we can communicate with the

2346
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,800
assessor's office, get that information

2347
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,360
and then talk to Matt or whoever's going

2348
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,360
to upload that on the website. I don't

2349
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,480
know if that's something that if

2350
01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:40,840
permission from the assessor to put it

2351
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,840
on that portion of it, but I think

2352
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:43,880
that's maybe that's

2353
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,680
>> Even if it had to go to even if it has

2354
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,200
to go to the front page or to our face

2355
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,960
page on our website, I know many

2356
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,640
constituents that would love that uh the tax information on if they're

2357
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,840
looking at a new property etc. etc. the

2358
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,720
calculator they had and the a breakdown

2359
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:01,680
of the pie chart that had the

2360
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,560
percentages, and the breakdown of which

2361
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,160
taxing entity that you are an amount of

2362
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:11,630
taxes with that estimate.

2363
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,640
» Commissioner McGinn.

2364
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,840
>> And it I

2365
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,560
it's not on the agenda. I thought I had

2366
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,880
something, but it's not on this.

2367
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,280
I think something

2368
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,160
Okay.

2369
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,040
>> Anyone else?

2370
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,560
>> Are we on disclosures?

2371
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:25,000
>> What's that?

2372
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,360
>> Are we on disclosures?

2373
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:27,480
>> Um yes, we are.

2374
01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:28,920
>> Yeah. Okay.

2375
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,480
>> And future considerations.

2376
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:31,640
>> Thank you.

2377
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,960
>> Anyone else?

2378
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,560
All right. I've got a couple um

2379
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,600
future considerations I would like to

2380
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,400
bring on in that

2381
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,560
commission meeting that we give the road

2382
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,640
department directors some authority to

2383
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,120
start the process of making some trail

2384
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,840
repairs on the bypass

2385
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,720
from the riverwalk bridge to arches

2386
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,800
entrance. Um you know, I think several

2387
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,600
of us, including him, were out there.

2388
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,480
Well, I know we were and did a little

2389
01:32:57,480 --> 01:32:59,320
bit of an assessment, and it seems like

2390
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,440
it would be a good time to

2391
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:03,400
move forward with some maintenance on

2392
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,480
that portion of the bypass and look at

2393
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,520
the money that's in fund 47 to fund

2394
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,200
that. So, if we could do that on the

2395
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,280
next commission meeting

2396
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,200
And then I also want to notice or notify

2397
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,080
that I intend to bring back the Burr

2398
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,920
Oaks application before the commission

2399
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,440
at the next commission meeting as well.

2400
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,640
>> Which application?

2401
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:29,550
>> The Burr Oaks.

2402
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,560
» Those were a couple that I had, and with

2403
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,000
that, we will move in to the approval of

2404
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,800
the consent agenda items.

2405
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,600
There are no minutes. They were not

2406
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,280
available, so we are removing that item

2407
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,320
A.

2408
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,120
B is ratification of payment of bills

2409
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:53,270
for total bills of $1,415,649.63.

2410
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,000
Total payroll

2411
01:33:55,000 --> 01:34:00,350
>> $291,337.74

2412
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,920
total bills and payroll.

2413
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:09,830
$1,706,987.37

2414
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,440
We're going to remove item C. We did not

2415
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:15,880
qualify for that grant.

2416
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,880
And move on D, ratification of branding

2417
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,720
refresh for discovermoab.com.

2418
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,240
Ratification of solid waste SSD sublease

2419
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:27,960
permission letter.

2420
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,200
Ratification of local consent for

2421
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,640
temporary alcohol permit outer bike.

2422
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,480
D, ratification of TAP grant funding

2423
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,160
commitment letter

2424
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,440
for shoulder widening project from

2425
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:42,920
Resource Boulevard to Spanish Trail

2426
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,120
Road.

2427
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,120
H, hosted maintenance maintenance

2428
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,320
technician backfill request.

2429
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,640
And I, extension of airport lease

2430
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,400
agreements for Redtail Air.

2431
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,640
>> Air?

2432
01:34:57,640 --> 01:34:58,360
>> Yes, ma'am.

2433
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,160
>> Possible I'd like to remove item I of

2434
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,160
the consent agenda to discuss

2435
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:04,240
separately.

2436
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,440
>> Okay, so we will look for motion for

2437
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,480
items through H and leave I. We will

2438
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:16,430
move it down to the end of our agenda.

2439
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:17,880
Okay, Commissioner McCurdy.

2440
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,600
>> So moved.

2441
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,400
>> Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, second

2442
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,800
by Commissioner Martinez. All in favor?

2443
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,560
>> Aye.

2444
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,160
>> Passes unanimously with Commissioner

2445
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,120
McCann was waving online.

2446
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,000
We will move on to number five, Moab

2447
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,080
Office of Tourism brand launch events.

2448
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,560
One is a community open house at the MAC

2449
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,800
on September 8th.

2450
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,520
And two is Mud Springs ribbon cutting

2451
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,720
and National Interscholastic Cycling

2452
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,520
Association

2453
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,720
NICA race on September 11th.

2454
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,320
>> You bet. Where you been?

2455
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,670
>> Rabbit, I've been.

2456
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,240
Um thanks for having me.

2457
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:01,840
>> Yeah.

2458
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:02,960
>> Before I get started, I just wanted to

2459
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,160
say quickly our office has been

2460
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,080
nominated for tourism campaign of the

2461
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,040
year

2462
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,800
from the US Travel

2463
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,640
and uh So Awards.

2464
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,600
Um it's a the organization in our

2465
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,000
industry. It's their top award.

2466
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,160
Oh my

2467
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:19,480
I have a vendor.

2468
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:20,040
Only way

2469
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,096
>> You guys really think that?

2470
01:36:21,096 --> 01:36:21,520
>> [laughter]

2471
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,600
>> Um it's their top award. We're up

2472
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,240
against two cities in New York and uh

2473
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,080
Denver, New York City, Austin are in the

2474
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,040
category of it's stunning the world of

2475
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,040
us. So

2476
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,280
Um

2477
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,520
that's uh recognition of our ad agency

2478
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,920
plus and you all were able to get us to

2479
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:39,840
do.

2480
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:40,560
So

2481
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,480
uh we feel like we already won.

2482
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,600
Um but to the agenda,

2483
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,080
I know.

2484
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,960
Um this item is for um two events.

2485
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,760
Um

2486
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:53,880
we

2487
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,640
uh have undergone a branding project for

2488
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,480
the better part of the year.

2489
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:01,040
And um

2490
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,760
through the project, uh we uncovered a

2491
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,720
statistic that is something we hear all

2492
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:06,800
the time.

2493
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,080
Um that more than 90% of visitors told

2494
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,480
us they were staying for more time in

2495
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:13,360
their visit or already planning to

2496
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:14,600
return.

2497
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:15,560
So that insight has become the

2498
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,120
foundation for our new campaign, which

2499
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,560
we'll be rolling out more fully um at

2500
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,760
this event. Um

2501
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,560
great.

2502
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:23,920
Day after Labor Day.

2503
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,400
Um and then as an advertising campaign up

2504
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:28,840
in the fall.

2505
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:29,800
Um

2506
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,480
so item the item text describes more

2507
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:34,680
about the event. Uh in the event

2508
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,200
Tuesday, September 8th, we held a

2509
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,280
community open house to kick off this

2510
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,680
project last fall. Jersey wants me to

2511
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,800
want to do another one um to invite um

2512
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,080
stakeholders, all of our agency partners

2513
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,160
out, and the communities, as we say,

2514
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,360
come talk to us about tourism. So, we

2515
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,920
will have

2516
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,680
our partners in town with a series of

2517
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,720
workshops throughout the uh beginning of

2518
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,040
the day. Um

2519
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,840
uh we'll have a presentation at the MTAB

2520
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,800
meeting that day on the 3rd, and then

2521
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:11,080
we'll walk over to the MAC and uh celebrate our brand launch.

2522
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,800
So, that's the first one.

2523
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,440
Um and the second is uh later that week

2524
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,160
on Friday, um

2525
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,680
there will be a biker race at the new

2526
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,880
bike springs um trail system.

2527
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,760
Um this event invites a large group of

2528
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,080
stakeholders to the grand opening of

2529
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,160
springs. The event is time to celebrate

2530
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,360
one of the trail system's main objective

2531
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,680
to attract biker races and the large

2532
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,080
economic impact that comes with it.

2533
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,760
The Mammoth Office of Tourism plans to

2534
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,240
publicize the event by inviting

2535
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:41,840
journalists, issuing press releases,

2536
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,760
hiring photography, and welcoming

2537
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,760
families to attract future events and

2538
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,760
connect the races, but also other

2539
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,360
organized cycling, adaptive

2540
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,920
aim to raise awareness of the trail

2541
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,040
system. Um we also aim to raise

2542
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,000
awareness of the trail system to attract

2543
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,360
visitation um to Mammoth Springs in

2544
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:01,960
general.

2545
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,160
Um

2546
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:04,320
happy to entertain any questions about

2547
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,200
that. Um this is

2548
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,680
um

2549
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,640
restricted TOT funds um

2550
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,480
set aside to establish and promote

2551
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,280
tourism always, so they

2552
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,960
can be used for tourism.

2553
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:18,320
Uh do you have any questions on that?

2554
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,160
And then there's the alternate

2555
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:20,840
Commissioner Commissioner Martinez and

2556
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,520
then Commissioner Girty.

2557
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:23,920
>> Yeah, I'll go ahead and start. Uh I move

2558
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,520
to approve costs associated with

2559
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,200
producing two branded events, not

2560
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:28,160
exceeding

2561
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,760
$15,260

2562
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,080
for a dedicated event planner and up to

2563
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,600
$18,960

2564
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,720
in event costs for community open house

2565
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,120
and a brand launch at the MAC, up to

2566
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,000
$20,700

2567
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,560
or $20,790

2568
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,680
for a grand opening ribbon cutting and

2569
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,680
NICA race event at the new Mud Springs

2570
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,710
trail system.

2571
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,600
» Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second

2572
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,480
by Commissioner Hadler. Do we have any

2573
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:56,240
comments?

2574
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:57,600
>> Just a quick comment. You know, I just

2575
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:58,920
want to

2576
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:00,840
recognize all the work that has gone

2577
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,680
into this grand launch and

2578
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:05,240
it's it's it's been a lot and I think

2579
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,360
it's something that that we're all going

2580
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:07,680
to be proud of and that we're going to

2581
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,520
be standing behind. So, thank you for

2582
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,720
the work that's gone into this project.

2583
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:13,840
>> Commissioner Hadler, can I make a

2584
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,000
comment on that?

2585
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:16,520
>> Sure, Mike.

2586
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,680
>> Yeah, and go ahead.

2587
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,760
>> All right. That NICA thanks you, so.

2588
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,800
>> Yeah, yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm super stoked

2589
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,680
about the ribbon cutting. I I I think

2590
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,120
both events are great. Um the ribbon

2591
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:26,760
cutting down at Mud Springs is awesome.

2592
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,640
It's been a long time coming.

2593
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,400
It's a massive community asset. It's a

2594
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,400
great collaboration with San Juan County

2595
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,600
and the state of Utah and especially

2596
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,280
NICA. Um you guys know I'm I'm involved

2597
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,800
in NICA as the local head coach and so

2598
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,320
I'm I'm proud that we will have a home

2599
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,240
venue this year. I also wanted to point

2600
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,160
out that the uh September 12th race is

2601
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,280
we our local team will not be racing at

2602
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:50,680
that race. That's a different region.

2603
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,280
Our home race will be on September 26th.

2604
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,160
So, come out and support NICA on that

2605
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:57,720
day and the ribbon cutting and come out

2606
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,760
on the 26th and support our team. So.

2607
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:02,920
>> Commissioner McGurdy.

2608
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,120
>> So, you don't miss that, come out and

2609
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,760
support uh our team.

2610
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:10,240
Uh those are local kids, guys. We we

2611
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,400
This is a great opportunity to show off

2612
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,600
our area uh to other teams coming in.

2613
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,600
Uh this is this is killer. It was like

2614
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,680
Josh said, great work between state,

2615
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,240
great work between Grand County, San

2616
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,240
Juan County, everyone. That trail system

2617
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:24,280
is going to be

2618
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,080
>> Yeah, I'm

2619
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,280
>> Thank you. Yes.

2620
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,480
>> Uh it is going to be awesome for our

2621
01:41:29,480 --> 01:41:33,480
area and our literal kids uh to you guys

2622
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:35,600
that are taking part in these events out

2623
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,670
there. Uh we like to see that.

2624
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,520
» All right. Also, I'd give a real quick

2625
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,670
update. I know that um

2626
01:41:44,670 --> 01:41:44,800
>> [clears throat]

2627
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,880
>> the contractor that UDot hired on the

2628
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,280
road is very, very close to finishing

2629
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,680
that road in there. Um

2630
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,600
Possibly they have. I missed partnership

2631
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,000
meeting today to to hear on that. And

2632
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,040
then

2633
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,200
once they're done, then that's going to

2634
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:04,000
open up the road to where our

2635
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,760
um highway director, Cody, in the back

2636
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:08,600
here will be able to start building both

2637
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:10,160
parking lots. There's two of them. One

2638
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:11,240
about a

2639
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,440
10-acre and the other one about a 6-acre

2640
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:15,640
parking lot. So, that all these

2641
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,320
folks can camp in there. And those funds

2642
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:22,600
came from uh traveling outside of this

2643
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,600
community by commissioners and working

2644
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,440
on grants to be able to make that a

2645
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:29,320
reality out there. So, that is some of

2646
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,720
the trail work that we are doing for

2647
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:33,960
bikes in this community. And I think

2648
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,640
it's important that maybe some of the

2649
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,080
citizens realize that there's a lot of

2650
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,920
effort that goes into this and a lot of

2651
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:41,720
time and

2652
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:43,800
at least myself as a commissioner, I'm

2653
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:44,840
not

2654
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,760
singularly focused on motorized. I do a

2655
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,840
lot of work for the biking community.

2656
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:50,880
So,

2657
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,600
we're we're getting very close out

2658
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:54,360
there. And I think it's a

2659
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,600
big thing for our community. So, if

2660
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,240
there's no further comments, I'll call

2661
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:01,320
for a vote. All in favor?

2662
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,000
>> Aye.

2663
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,680
>> All right. That passes unanimously.

2664
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,360
Thank you, Matt. And then

2665
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,120
out of recognition recognition of our

2666
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,040
city folks here, I'm going to move item

2667
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,160
nine up to right now. Um I wish I'd have

2668
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:16,920
thought of it a little bit earlier and

2669
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,720
ahead of this one, but I apologize.

2670
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,040
We're going to do nine now, the

2671
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:21,960
ordinance amending

2672
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,750
ordinance 725.

2673
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,080
Utility utility overlay for City of Moab

2674
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,440
water tank and authorization to sign DA,

2675
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:34,160
Andrew Jackson.

2676
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,880
Green Penny Planner.

2677
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,440
Um again, this is a

2678
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:43,000
uh amendment of ordinance 725

2679
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,640
that was passed in um I believe it was

2680
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,120
October of 2025 that the

2681
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:49,880
um

2682
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:51,320
that the required development agreement

2683
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,240
as well as put a date

2684
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:57,560
of uh December 31st of 2025 for

2685
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:01,120
completion of the project. The

2686
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,320
um city has

2687
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:04,360
um

2688
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,200
has the current some funding and still

2689
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,680
uh pursuing other funding and there's a

2690
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,880
lot of work to do on that.

2691
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,400
Um and so, I would uh

2692
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,760
request that that they be extended to

2693
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,840
December 31st of 2030 with any um

2694
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:26,480
extension of time requested uh be done

2695
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:29,360
administratively by myself with written

2696
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:30,320
uh

2697
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,040
request of Moab City.

2698
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,080
The

2699
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:34,317
uh

2700
01:44:34,317 --> 01:44:34,360
>> [clears throat]

2701
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:35,760
>> ordinance

2702
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,200
um does not

2703
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,240
change the zoning, doesn't put overlay

2704
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,360
on, doesn't do any of those things. It's

2705
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,320
all been sold previously. It's just um

2706
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,600
defining the development agreement

2707
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,280
specifically

2708
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:55,360
as what is in our language code as well

2709
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,600
as uh changing the the time uh the

2710
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:02,280
deadline for completion.

2711
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,640
>> All right, I've got Commissioner

2712
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:08,280
McNamara with her hands up first, so

2713
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:09,960
>> I was just going to make a motion to

2714
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,280
suspend the rules and adopt the

2715
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,200
ordinance amending conditions number one

2716
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,080
and number three of ordinance number

2717
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,040
725, which applied the major utility

2718
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:19,760
overlay to a portion parcel number

2719
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,640
02-0021

2720
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,640
-0113,

2721
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,760
the City of Moab water tank site. The

2722
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,800
ordinance statutory site citations

2723
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,160
including the section for effective date

2724
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:36,080
citation to Utah code 17-64-502

2725
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,320
have been verified against the recoded

2726
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,240
title 17 and authorize the chair to

2727
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:45,400
execute the required development agreement.

2728
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:48,720
>> And Melody, can you add that date that

2729
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,160
Andrew mentioned that we want to extend

2730
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,400
this out to December 31st, 2030?

2731
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,120
>> Sure, before we do that

2732
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:57,720
>> by rule technically we need first to

2733
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,280
vote on the

2734
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:00,680
to suspend the rules and get the

2735
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:02,080
two-thirds vote. Then we can make the

2736
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,920
subsequent motion motion to address it

2737
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:04,240
today.

2738
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,640
>> All right, Mel we're going to we're

2739
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,520
going to suspend take the vote on

2740
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,680
suspending the rules here. I've got a

2741
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:10,920
>> I'll second.

2742
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:12,400
>> Commissioner McGann.

2743
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,440
>> I will make a motion to suspend the

2744
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:15,960
rules for the

2745
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,000
public hearing to vote on the

2746
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,280
ordinance today.

2747
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,240
>> All right, motion by Commissioner McGann

2748
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,440
second by Commissioner McCurdy. Any

2749
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,080
discussion?

2750
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:28,640
Seeing none, all in favor?

2751
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,880
>> I.

2752
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,600
>> Passes unanimously. All right, back to

2753
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,120
your motion Melody.

2754
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,520
You did hear the date extension that

2755
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,040
Andrew discussed.

2756
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:43,120
>> Yeah, December 31st of 2030?

2757
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:43,360
>> Yes.

2758
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,560
And then I believe some he had some

2759
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,000
verbage about possible extensions if

2760
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,640
they were needed to go through his

2761
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,160
office. Is that correct, Andrew?

2762
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,160
>> Yeah, administratively.

2763
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,270
It's in the by ordinance.

2764
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,040
» I need to add that to my motion that we

2765
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:02,840
need to if we need to extend it it would

2766
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:06,360
go through the P&Z administrator.

2767
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:09,880
>> And with a December 31st, 2030 deadline

2768
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:11,800
currently.

2769
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:13,920
>> Yes, with the December 31st

2770
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,120
2030 deadline is the change.

2771
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,800
>> motion by Commissioner McGann second by

2772
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,800
Commissioner Martinez.

2773
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,440
Any further discussion? So that's So

2774
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:25,040
adding the possibility for additional

2775
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,960
extensions to be authorized

2776
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,400
administratively. Is that Is that Okay.

2777
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:31,760
>> Yes, sir.

2778
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,240
>> All right. With that, I'll call for a

2779
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,880
vote. All in favor?

2780
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:40,270
Passes unanimously. Thank you.

2781
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,649
» Thanks for being here.

2782
01:47:41,649 --> 01:47:42,960
>> [laughter]

2783
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:47,830
>> See you guys later.

2784
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,640
» All right. With that, we will move on to

2785
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,560
number six, selection of Utah

2786
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,320
Conservation Corps quote for brand

2787
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,880
funded project.

2788
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:01,200
Uh Matt, oh, how are you? Good. Come on.

2789
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:02,200
>> Hello.

2790
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:03,840
Um I'm Evan Smiley, operations

2791
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,040
coordinator for Grand County Active

2792
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,960
Transportation Trails, and Matt is out

2793
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,920
of town, so I'm filling in.

2794
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:10,480
Um the request is to approve the

2795
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:12,000
selection of the Utah Conservation Corps

2796
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,440
to assist with the non-technical trail

2797
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,000
building for Mud Springs phase one this

2798
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,880
fall, and to approve the contract for

2799
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,240
this work once we go through with that

2800
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:19,600
has gone through.

2801
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,200
Um really appreciate all the support so

2802
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:22,600
far. Sounds like everyone knows Mud

2803
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:24,120
Springs, so they're big proponents of

2804
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:26,440
it. Um we're excited to finish up phase

2805
01:48:26,440 --> 01:48:27,880
one this fall.

2806
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,960
Um a little bit of background, 2024,

2807
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,560
Grand County was awarded the Utah

2808
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,720
Outdoor Rec Grants and the Recreational

2809
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:35,400
Trails Program grant funding match from

2810
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:37,000
the city from San Juan County or the

2811
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,240
BLM.

2812
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:39,920
Um we got a narrow build window from

2813
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,760
August 1st to November 15th due to

2814
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,480
numerous wildlife restrictions, so phase

2815
01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:45,280
one needs to wrap up by November 15th

2816
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:46,480
this year.

2817
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:49,200
Um we currently have 6.1 miles of mostly

2818
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:50,920
machine-built trail on the ground that

2819
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,600
we built last year, and we got 3.7 miles

2820
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:54,840
to go, but it's all going to be

2821
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,800
hand-built, so it takes a long time.

2822
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:58,800
Um the trails are going to be

2823
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,280
intermediate and advanced in difficulty

2824
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,000
and still be the full 3-ft width

2825
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,480
required for adaptive equipment to pass.

2826
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,480
Um so we've got a very busy build season

2827
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,520
ahead and would love all the volunteer

2828
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,560
support that we can get as well.

2829
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,720
Um yeah. Last year, the contractors came

2830
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,840
in under budget and finished early.

2831
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:16,080
Crazy.

2832
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,360
So we have extra funds to hire a

2833
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,280
Conservation core team for 6 weeks to

2834
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,040
assist with the non-technical trail

2835
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,120
building while the G-CAT crew can focus

2836
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:24,920
on the more technical and skilled areas

2837
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:26,680
of the build.

2838
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:28,360
Um you've got conservation core to base

2839
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,680
locally and with the lowest bid by a

2840
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,360
large margin compared to other regional

2841
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:33,440
conservation cores. Um and of course

2842
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:34,720
conservation cores are known for being

2843
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:36,520
more affordable compared to private

2844
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,320
professional crews.

2845
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:39,960
Um these CC contracts are completed

2846
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,320
through the Utah State University and

2847
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:42,560
Grand County is currently awaiting their

2848
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,680
contract for legal review. The build

2849
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,000
window is rapidly approaching which is

2850
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,120
why we're bringing it

2851
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:48,160
into motion now.

2852
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:49,840
So yeah, in summary asking for the

2853
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:51,400
approval of the selection of ECC to

2854
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,800
assist with 6 weeks non-technical trail

2855
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,160
building at Mud Springs for $33,000 all

2856
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,120
of which is grant funded.

2857
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:00,400
>> Thank you, Commissioner McCurdy.

2858
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,640
I'd like to make a motion. I move to

2859
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:02,920
approve the selection of Utah

2860
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:04,600
Conservation Corps to assist with

2861
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,640
non-technical trail building for Mud

2862
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:08,920
Springs phase one and to approve the

2863
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:10,920
contract for the work pending legal

2864
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,240
review.

2865
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:14,680
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, second

2866
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,680
Commissioner Hadler.

2867
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:19,560
Any discussion?

2868
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:20,760
Yes, Commissioner Hadler.

2869
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,040
>> I literally can't wait to ride these

2870
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:22,781
trails.

2871
01:50:22,781 --> 01:50:23,760
>> [laughter]

2872
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,520
>> They're going to be

2873
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,600
>> It's so good. Some advanced and

2874
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:28,280
intermediate trails out there.

2875
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:30,520
are amazing, but adding

2876
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:31,920
a little variety is going to be pretty

2877
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,120
great. Thanks, Chris.

2878
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:36,760
>> All right. Anything further?

2879
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,520
All right, seeing none I'll call for a

2880
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,510
vote. All in favor?

2881
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,040
Passes unanimously.

2882
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,280
>> Excellent. Excellent job.

2883
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:48,120
>> Thank you, sir.

2884
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:49,360
We will [clears throat] move on to

2885
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,480
number seven, approval of personnel

2886
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:52,960
service

2887
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,040
services fees for special service

2888
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:59,630
districts assessing their services.

2889
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,360
Says Tess Barder, but we're going to go

2890
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:02,320
with Chantal.

2891
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,680
>> It says it's on the it's online.

2892
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,120
>> Oh, is she? Okay. Thank you, Tess. Tess,

2893
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:06,840
we're all good.

2894
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:07,520
>> I'm sure.

2895
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:15,190
>> It is.

2896
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,920
» All right, great.

2897
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:18,440
>> So, good evening commission members,

2898
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:20,120
county staff, and citizens. My name is

2899
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:21,400
Shantal Lindsay, the Grand County

2900
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:23,320
Finance Director.

2901
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:24,680
Um I would like to thank the Personnel

2902
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,560
Services Department Director Tess

2903
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,800
Barter, Assistant Director Laura Allred,

2904
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,760
and Payroll Coordinator Angie Woodruff

2905
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,280
um for their hard work and collaboration

2906
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:34,960
throughout this process, as well as

2907
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,400
County Attorney Steven Stocks and his

2908
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,080
staff for taking on the task of

2909
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,280
preparing agreements for year 2027.

2910
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,480
Um this was a significant analysis. I

2911
01:51:43,480 --> 01:51:45,160
conducted a comprehensive review of

2912
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:46,720
every task performed by the Personnel

2913
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:48,880
Services Department to better understand

2914
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:49,920
the department's workload,

2915
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,840
responsibilities, and staffing needs.

2916
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,640
As part of this review, I broke

2917
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,520
personnel tasks into three primary

2918
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,920
categories: payroll, insurance, and

2919
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,760
general human resources support.

2920
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,080
Can you just

2921
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:03,800
>> You can check.

2922
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:13,710
>> Yeah.

2923
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,440
>> There we go.

2924
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:16,880
Okay, so the numbers used in this

2925
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,400
analysis

2926
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:20,440
um represent the full 2027 cost of the

2927
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:22,840
Personnel Services staff. Um as you

2928
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:24,440
know, this year they have a reduced

2929
01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:26,800
hours for their office, and in 2027

2930
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,240
we'll be going back to the full um

2931
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,600
full-time. Um

2932
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:32,800
to ensure that all staffing,

2933
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,600
operational, and administrative expenses

2934
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,600
are fully captured in the evaluation.

2935
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,000
Um the most interesting thing that we

2936
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,280
found was that um based on this

2937
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,560
analysis, 39.87%

2938
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:45,680
of the department's personnel capacity

2939
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:47,840
is dedicated to payroll administration

2940
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,280
and and benefits and insurance

2941
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,440
management, while the remaining 60.13%

2942
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:54,280
supports general human resources and

2943
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:56,120
administrative functions.

2944
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:57,520
This breakdown reflects the level of

2945
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,840
ongoing administrative demand required

2946
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,800
to support both county operations and

2947
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,280
affiliated service districts.

2948
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,160
Um during our review, we also identified

2949
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:07,920
that the Grand County Cemetery Special

2950
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,880
Service District, the Mosquito Abatement

2951
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:11,760
Special Service District, and Grand

2952
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,360
Water and Sewer are currently receiving

2953
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,600
personnel services from Grand County

2954
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,160
with county staff providing support to

2955
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,000
these districts as part of their overall

2956
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,480
workload without an interlocal agreement

2957
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:23,360
or other formal service agreement in

2958
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,480
place.

2959
01:53:25,480 --> 01:53:27,520
To ensure proper cost allocation and

2960
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,440
transparency, we're proposing to begin

2961
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:30,760
charging these services to the

2962
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:34,440
respective districts in the year 2027.

2963
01:53:34,440 --> 01:53:35,400
Um

2964
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:36,720
for the Cemetery Special Service

2965
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:40,320
District, we would charge um 1,099.57

2966
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,000
for their insurance management and

2967
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,000
1,893.32

2968
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,080
overall for the payroll services. The

2969
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,600
Grand Water and Sewer District would be

2970
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:50,400
charged 2,199.14

2971
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:51,640
for insurance management and the

2972
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,160
Mosquito Abatement Special Service

2973
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:56,240
District would be charged 1,893.22

2974
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,080
yearly for payroll services.

2975
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,160
And so, if you look on these tabs, I

2976
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,160
broke it down. We went through every

2977
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:04,960
single function that the director,

2978
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,760
assistant director, and the payroll

2979
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,680
coordinator provides to county staff as

2980
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,400
well as outside entity staff, such as

2981
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:16,280
special service districts. Um and this

2982
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,720
was a great analysis. It would be nice

2983
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,080
to have one of these for every single

2984
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,000
department about um what every you know,

2985
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,600
all the different tasks that everybody's

2986
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,160
working so hard on. Um on the third tab

2987
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:32,520
here, you'll see um that some of the um

2988
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,520
special service districts are using both

2989
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,320
the payroll and insurance. Some are just

2990
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,200
using um insurance or payroll.

2991
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,200
Um so, if the total cost for the

2992
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,520
personnel services to Grand County in

2993
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:48,049
the year 2027 is going to be 381,880.

2994
01:54:48,059 --> 01:54:48,800
[clears throat]

2995
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:52,560
Um which means that the general HR um

2996
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:56,800
for Grand County staff is using 229,643

2997
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,840
of that total allocation. Um

2998
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,440
and so,

2999
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:04,440
we um

3000
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,400
broke this down into each tab for each

3001
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,480
entity so that Steven Stocks office can

3002
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,040
prepare some type of a formal agreement

3003
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,120
in writing and we can also prepare each

3004
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:15,080
special service district in writing

3005
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,160
before the year 2027 so that they can

3006
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:18,960
appropriately budget for these costs as

3007
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,960
well. Um these costs are different than

3008
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:23,760
the administrative costs that we are

3009
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,520
charging um non-general fund departments

3010
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:29,040
for accessing general fund.

3011
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:30,800
And I'll bring forth those to review

3012
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,720
again in the fall after we have um 2027

3013
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,160
per close contracts for each department.

3014
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:39,640
Um and this is this analysis is strictly

3015
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:43,160
based upon what it cost the county um

3016
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:46,440
to um provide the HR department to

3017
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:47,640
staff.

3018
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:50,040
Um and I do have um commission

3019
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,160
administrative support on this as well

3020
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:56,510
as personal services support.

3021
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,160
» Yes, Commissioner McCartan.

3022
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:00,040
No, Commissioner

3023
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:00,765
>> Hadler.

3024
01:56:00,765 --> 01:56:01,600
>> [laughter]

3025
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:02,920
>> Okay, I think we're all going in the

3026
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:03,720
same direction.

3027
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:05,280
>> You did a super thorough job. Thank you

3028
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,040
so much. It's so much easier to to look

3029
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,000
at this when when it's presented like

3030
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,480
you presented it. You've done the done

3031
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,360
the hard work. It it's

3032
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:13,640
Now it's great. It's much appreciated.

3033
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:15,760
And uh on that note, I will move to

3034
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,800
approve the personnel services fees for

3035
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,960
the special service districts accessing

3036
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,520
or accessing services as presented and

3037
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:24,720
direct staff to prepare agreements

3038
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,560
with the entities for 2027. Thanks.

3039
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:29,280
>> Motion by Commissioner Hadler, second

3040
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:30,040
Commissioner

3041
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,840
>> McCartan. Further discussion?

3042
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,080
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. Those

3043
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:37,910
in favor?

3044
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:38,920
» I.

3045
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:41,240
>> Passes unanimously. Thank you.

3046
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:41,880
>> Thank you.

3047
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,120
>> A lot of work, good job.

3048
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:44,960
>> Thank you.

3049
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:47,680
>> All right, we will move on to number

3050
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:50,760
eight, the 2026 Mojave Inter Project

3051
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:52,920
annual statement of continued

3052
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,080
compliance, Commissioner McGinn.

3053
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:58,440
>> Uh thank you. Uh to begin with, I want

3054
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,880
to say that uh this is a good example of

3055
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,080
what great partners

3056
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:04,520
the

3057
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,640
Uinta Project has been for Grant County.

3058
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:08,800
This

3059
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,040
statement of compliance agreement that

3060
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:12,040
they have

3061
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,320
been involved with from the onset of

3062
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,960
this project is not something that they

3063
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,440
were required to do.

3064
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,000
Uh

3065
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,280
many

3066
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:21,880
uh

3067
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:25,240
entities federal entities would not have

3068
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:26,800
gone through the effort to work so

3069
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,960
closely with the county and the citizens

3070
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,120
and so

3071
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:32,480
I I'm very thankful that they have

3072
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,960
always been willing to do that.

3073
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:38,120
And it's this statement of compliance is

3074
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:42,800
from July 19th of last year 2025 to July

3075
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,560
20th of this year. I'll just do a couple

3076
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:46,960
highlights.

3077
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:48,320
Uh

3078
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,760
there was 1,000,000 6

3079
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,960
to 2,884

3080
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:58,040
tons of millings and debris sub

3081
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:01,440
removed this year. Uh last year on

3082
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,440
September 29th they hit the 16,000,000

3083
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:05,280
ton

3084
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:06,920
goal which was

3085
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:08,160
a big

3086
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,160
goal that they'd been set from the

3087
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:11,520
onset.

3088
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,160
And now it's just the sub tailings that

3089
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:17,200
they're doing so that's exciting. Uh

3090
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:20,360
they uh

3091
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,360
the tailings placement at Crescent

3092
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:25,640
Junction is continuing and they are

3093
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:29,520
preparing to put the cover on sections

3094
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:32,480
of the sales some of the sales.

3095
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:37,960
They employ they have 139 employees.

3096
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:41,600
And that reflects the shipment of four

3097
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,000
train loads a week.

3098
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,400
And their work has continued all 12

3099
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:52,110
months.

3100
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:55,360
We have a new type of covering for the

3101
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,120
cell out at Crescent Junction and it

3102
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,120
could be really a much better one than

3103
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:03,440
what was proposed quite a few years ago.

3104
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:05,000
This has been in

3105
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,600
I think for about four years in in

3106
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:09,520
getting to completion and deciding what

3107
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,120
to what is going to happen. The air

3108
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:14,440
quality around the area has continued to

3109
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,200
stay way below what is considered

3110
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:19,320
dangerous, way way below. And monitoring

3111
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:21,360
will continue new

3112
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,920
air monitoring

3113
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,760
water has the ground water system has

3114
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:29,400
prevented

3115
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,840
much great deal of the ammonia and

3116
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:36,520
uranium from entering into our

3117
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,200
the Colorado River

3118
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,480
and fresh water system and the

3119
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,560
monitoring of ground water will continue

3120
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:48,110
once the

3121
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,880
project is taken from

3122
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:54,080
and turned over to legacy management

3123
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:57,000
which will be at the end and probably in

3124
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,040
2029

3125
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:00,480
or earlier.

3126
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:03,640
And so is there any questions? Did you

3127
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,280
have you were there Bill? Do you have

3128
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,120
anything else you think we should add?

3129
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,240
>> Um no, I think you covered the new the

3130
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:11,480
new cover literally that they're talking

3131
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,040
about putting on there and it's my

3132
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,400
understanding after that meeting that

3133
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,880
the reasoning is that will allow water

3134
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:19,680
that normally would have been trapped

3135
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:21,680
under their old design

3136
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:24,440
to evaporate and come up into the

3137
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:26,920
atmosphere. So it's a it's a new thing

3138
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,440
that they've studied extensively and

3139
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:31,960
added to the site. So

3140
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:33,920
Yeah. Commissioner McCurdy.

3141
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:35,080
>> I'd like to make a motion. I move to

3142
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:38,680
approve the 2025 into 2026 Moad Contra

3143
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:40,640
project annual statement of continued

3144
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:42,120
compliance.

3145
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,280
>> Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, second

3146
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,658
by Commissioner Martinez. Discussion?

3147
02:00:47,658 --> 02:00:48,200
>> [snorts]

3148
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,360
>> Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. Those

3149
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,520
in favor?

3150
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:53,840
>> I.

3151
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,440
>> Passes unanimously and we move on to the

3152
02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:59,800
next item.

3153
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:02,560
Let's see here.

3154
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,480
Skipping number nine, we already dealt

3155
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,320
with

3156
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:07,960
We'll go to number 10, which is a

3157
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:10,120
contract for a sub region traffic

3158
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:12,680
analysis in Spanish Valley.

3159
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:21,150
Approximately $20,000. Mr. Jackson.

3160
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:23,400
» Andrew Jackson, Grand County Planner.

3161
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:26,200
The city area is unincorporated Spanish

3162
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:28,520
Valley generally bounded by Easy Street,

3163
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,680
US 191, Sunny Dale Lane, and Rancho

3164
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:33,520
Verde Drive.

3165
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:37,240
Um, the map is included in your packet.

3166
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:39,200
It's been um

3167
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:41,880
There's been sustained rezone and

3168
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,040
subdivision activity [clears throat] in

3169
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:46,840
the area and request

3170
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:47,440
um

3171
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:50,800
in this specific [clears throat] area and

3172
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,120
instead of looking at just this straw

3173
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:54,960
that broke the camel's back, but we

3174
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,160
wanted to get a

3175
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:00,120
bigger picture of transportation area we

3176
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:04,040
have and on call um

3177
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:07,400
agreement with Horrocks Engineering for

3178
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:09,080
uh engineering [clears throat] services

3179
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:13,080
and um they have submitted a task order

3180
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:16,080
form not to exceed $20,000 for the

3181
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,800
study. Um they've included information

3182
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:20,960
on the proposal and [clears throat] I

3183
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:24,480
would ask that the County Commission

3184
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,560
direct

3185
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:28,280
Mr. McCandless

3186
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:33,950
to uh sign the task order.

3187
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,240
» All right, and because I'm the one that

3188
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:37,600
asked this to be put on, I'm going to

3189
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:40,080
make a few comments. This um came about

3190
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:42,840
after the Burrocks subdivision, which um

3191
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:44,680
there was

3192
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:46,320
multiple people that raised safety

3193
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:47,960
concerns out there and there were

3194
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:50,200
multiple people that were in support of

3195
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:51,680
it. So,

3196
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:54,360
this is an effort to because we've had

3197
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:56,680
multiple we had the Novak that came

3198
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:59,240
before us and so I think that it's time

3199
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:01,320
to do a traffic study out there and see

3200
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:03,240
what we can do to

3201
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:05,760
mitigate some of the problems. So, I I

3202
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,280
was the reason that this got put on

3203
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,560
there. I asked Mr. Jackson to do so. So,

3204
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,080
yes, Commissioner Addeen you have

3205
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,400
comment.

3206
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:15,480
>> questions for Andrew.

3207
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:18,120
Is this within your budget your current

3208
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,600
2026 budget to that much money you do

3209
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:21,760
have that much money in your budget?

3210
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:23,240
>> Yeah, that was actually

3211
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,640
over age from

3212
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:27,800
I guess we have budgeted additional

3213
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,000
funding for the

3214
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,480
code update.

3215
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:31,960
>> Okay.

3216
02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:35,040
>> I think we budgeted 85,000 65,000 has

3217
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:37,240
been on that. So, we're looking at this

3218
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:41,040
20,000 coming out of that money was

3219
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:41,680
available.

3220
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,120
>> Okay, that makes me feel better because

3221
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,120
I really

3222
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:46,640
as you know I'm

3223
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:47,920
pretty opposed right now to

3224
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,400
>> Yeah, I was going to mention that

3225
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:51,840
>> Is there

3226
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:53,400
No, I appreciate that Andrew. And then

3227
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:57,640
is there any way to extend the scope

3228
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:00,120
like I could really see you know this is

3229
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:02,880
a fairly small area I agree this area

3230
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:05,680
has been under intense pressure. I don't

3231
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:07,280
really like to see my street on there

3232
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,880
but it is what it is. But what I that

3233
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:12,000
was a joke. Anyways, but I wonder if we

3234
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,760
could extend it like to me it really

3235
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:16,360
needs to be extended maybe to Rem

3236
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:18,760
Village and then down to the county

3237
02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:24,280
line. That's just an and I don't know if you could ask Korocks if that would

3238
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:26,880
entail more money but I do think that

3239
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,720
would absorb

3240
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,240
like it kind of goes right to Beeman but

3241
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,200
I know one of the discussions earlier

3242
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:34,440
was is it feasible and maybe Cody can

3243
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:35,520
answer this.

3244
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,160
I know it was like Russ Tangren that

3245
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:38,720
brought this up to me a long time ago

3246
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:41,200
about putting an outlet on that, you

3247
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:43,040
know, on that similar parcel. Gary

3248
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,520
Wilson won't don't doesn't want to hear

3249
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:47,040
that, but but I I do think it would help

3250
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,120
if if we could extend those boundaries

3251
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:51,280
just a little bit just to make sure that

3252
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:54,280
we're doing it a little more

3253
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:57,480
holistically and and, you know, pushing

3254
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,280
all the traffic we can out in the

3255
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,520
appropriate areas cuz I agree. I think

3256
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:04,040
that Zimmerman's taking a huge huge

3257
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:05,640
amount of traffic right now, but is

3258
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:07,680
there other avenues to push people to

3259
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:09,880
191? I don't know. I don't Do you have a

3260
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:11,680
comment on that, Cody?

3261
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:13,480
Is it okay if you come up? Is that okay,

3262
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:14,960
Andrew, if he comes up?

3263
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:16,080
>> I'll send Cody.

3264
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:17,640
>> Yeah, I mean, I just I just think if

3265
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:21,200
we're going to spend money um

3266
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:21,760
we just get

3267
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:23,400
>> Grand County Golden Bridge area.

3268
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:25,000
>> Thank you. Get the most bang for our

3269
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,480
buck out of this.

3270
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:27,800
Um Cody.

3271
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:29,960
>> I I mean, I would I would entertain the

3272
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,600
option to maybe break this scope out a

3273
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:33,960
little bit bigger.

3274
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:36,360
Um I know that I have been dealing with

3275
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:39,360
the Zimmerman in that area quite

3276
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:40,960
regularly trying to come up with some

3277
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:41,880
traffic.

3278
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:42,400
>> Right.

3279
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:43,080
>> Um

3280
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,031
more calming measures.

3281
02:05:45,031 --> 02:05:45,280
>> [sighs]

3282
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:46,480
>> There there are some There's some

3283
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,360
proposed outlets that could potentially

3284
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:49,920
happen. I know the Beeman one is one

3285
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:51,240
that I'm working with transportation

3286
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:53,480
special services district on also trying

3287
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:56,040
to push that out through, so um

3288
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:57,720
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to

3289
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:59,880
trying to make the scope a little bit

3290
02:05:59,880 --> 02:06:00,320
bigger.

3291
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:00,720
>> Okay.

3292
02:06:00,720 --> 02:06:01,920
>> I'm sure we could find some road

3293
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:03,320
department funding to cover that if

3294
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:04,080
there is additional

3295
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:05,200
>> That's to say I don't have any more

3296
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:06,040
money.

3297
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:07,080
>> Okay, yeah. That's right.

3298
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,480
>> So I think I I mean, I I think that

3299
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:12,440
doing a a bigger scope would definitely

3300
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:14,720
maybe benefit this whole

3301
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:16,680
growth in the south area.

3302
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:18,080
>> Okay.

3303
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:19,040
I think it would too.

3304
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:21,520
>> Like there's that will get

3305
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:23,080
off Spanish Valley Drive and out of the

3306
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:24,640
neighborhoods to the highway.

3307
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:25,560
>> Right.

3308
02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:27,480
>> Okay, Commissioner Martinez. Quick

3309
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:28,920
question on the funding. Would it be

3310
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:31,440
possible actually to use impact fees for

3311
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:34,120
this right here and then and then have a

3312
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:35,720
repayment

3313
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:37,800
as subdivisions come back into those

3314
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:38,760
impact fees.

3315
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,707
>> Used to be good.

3316
02:06:40,707 --> 02:06:42,160
>> [laughter]

3317
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,560
>> So, yeah, they they used to allow

3318
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,320
traffic studies to use impact fees, but

3319
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:49,000
now it's only

3320
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,080
a study on a specific intersection for

3321
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:52,960
design uh

3322
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:55,160
criteria for that intersection. Okay.

3323
02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:56,840
You can use that specific for that, but

3324
02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:59,280
general transportation studies that are

3325
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,040
no longer permitted.

3326
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:03,520
>> Okay. Thanks. Commissioner McCarty.

3327
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:04,800
>> Oh, and then I'll

3328
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:05,200
>> Go to her.

3329
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:07,000
>> Uh let's go with what he has to say and

3330
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:07,920
then I'll go back.

3331
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:09,440
>> And I don't know when we're doing the

3332
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:10,960
traffic study, normally we see these in

3333
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,280
the context of developers providing

3334
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,520
these studies to be able to see the

3335
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,240
level of use that they're going to have

3336
02:07:17,240 --> 02:07:20,240
in these properties. Are we looking at

3337
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:22,280
the traffic study

3338
02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:27,400
just to provide us the base amount of uh

3339
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:29,000
base amount of traffic that we have now

3340
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:30,440
or are we looking

3341
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:32,560
for expansion? Like what's what's the

3342
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:34,800
overall goal? Is it to evidence and

3343
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:36,400
support additional development in the

3344
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,680
area or is it to

3345
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:40,680
create different, you know, speed bumps

3346
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:43,320
or things to reduce the amount of speed?

3347
02:07:43,320 --> 02:07:45,160
>> It's the prior one and I was the one

3348
02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:47,080
that asked this be put on there because

3349
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:50,000
we are looking at up-zoning or whatever

3350
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,560
to get applications in that area and it

3351
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,320
is based off of traffic.

3352
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:55,800
>> Yeah, we've had a bunch of like

3353
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:58,520
piecemeal either just discussions with

3354
02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:59,800
staff

3355
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:02,080
with uh potential applicants with staff

3356
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:04,240
or actually submittals that have just

3357
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:06,960
come in again piece by piece and we want

3358
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,480
to look at more than just that straw

3359
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:13,320
that breaks the camel's back. Um

3360
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:15,000
but

3361
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,560
I mean what we're looking at is

3362
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:22,960
what a 1/3 acre density over this entire

3363
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:26,880
area would require for transportation to

3364
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:28,783
see we've got a buffer we look

3365
02:08:28,783 --> 02:08:29,920
[clears throat] at zone changes in the

3366
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:31,680
future.

3367
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:33,640
Not saying that we will,

3368
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:34,640
but

3369
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:37,120
if we do, at least we know what type of

3370
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:38,800
infrastructure will be needed at these

3371
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,200
different

3372
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:42,760
intersections as well as

3373
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:46,430
the possible right-of-way that's needed.

3374
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:48,920
» Commissioner McCurdy.

3375
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:50,640
>> I'd like to make a motion. I move to

3376
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:52,000
authorize the county administrator to

3377
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,640
execute a task order with Horrocks

3378
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,640
Engineering Incorporated under the

3379
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:57,680
county's existing on-call engineering

3380
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,960
services contract for the Spanish Fork

3381
02:08:59,960 --> 02:09:02,640
Valley Drive Corridor Road network and

3382
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,520
traffic analysis study in the amount not

3383
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:09,520
to exceed $20,000 subject to approval

3384
02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:12,480
as form as to form by the county

3385
02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:13,480
attorney.

3386
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:16,280
>> If you want to increase that

3387
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:20,280
>> I'd like as a comment to make with that,

3388
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:21,840
ask for the moon. See if we can get a

3389
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:22,600
bigger area.

3390
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:24,520
>> I think you need to incorporate in your

3391
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:25,520
motion

3392
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,080
what Cody said that we might have to

3393
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:30,000
also include the road department to

3394
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:31,760
cover a larger study.

3395
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:34,240
>> If

3396
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:36,520
more funds are needed, I would like to

3397
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:37,760
draw back to the commission.

3398
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:38,000
>> Okay.

3399
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,280
>> It

3400
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:41,640
just a we'll redo the motion and put it

3401
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:43,880
through, but my motion is to not exceed

3402
02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:46,080
$20,000 that you currently have.

3403
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:46,729
>> Okay.

3404
02:09:46,729 --> 02:09:47,480
>> [clears throat]

3405
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:49,840
>> Okay, thank you. Do we have a second?

3406
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:52,560
Seconded by Commissioner

3407
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:55,160
Martinez. Comments? Further Commissioner

3408
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:57,480
>> I I think it's

3409
02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,120
uh

3410
02:09:59,120 --> 02:10:00,640
you know, I think it just behooves us

3411
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:03,280
beyond the prospect of growth out there,

3412
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:05,200
just you know, safety. And you know,

3413
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:07,240
Cody, it's just I mean, right now, you

3414
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:10,000
know, Stocks is extremely getting onto

3415
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,160
that highway, and I understand that's

3416
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:13,200
UDOT, but I think the more that we can

3417
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:14,960
be, and I know you are, working with

3418
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:17,280
UDOT as as far as acceleration lanes,

3419
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:19,560
etc. and so on. I think we have issues

3420
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:21,840
right now with safety, too. Just there's

3421
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:23,400
a lot of people moving through Salmon

3422
02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:24,600
River. But I know that there's a lot of

3423
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:26,240
people moving through Beeman. I know

3424
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,120
that. And so, I kind of try to divide

3425
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:29,960
where I go.

3426
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:32,390
>> [laughter]

3427
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:33,840
» There's There's a lot of people moving

3428
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:35,320
out there. And so, I think a more

3429
02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:37,600
holistic study just benefits us in the

3430
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:39,400
future, not just for development.

3431
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:40,560
>> Yeah. And it's like I'm going to also

3432
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,800
clarify that this is a traffic analysis

3433
02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:47,280
study, but that one of the

3434
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:48,920
priorities that

3435
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:50,720
Mr. McKinnon mentioned, you can correct

3436
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,480
me if I'm wrong, but is

3437
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:56,720
update the transportation master plan

3438
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,920
for

3439
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:01,640
a larger our park rated Grand County

3440
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:03,080
area.

3441
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:05,920
But this is this is for our traffic

3442
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:09,400
analysis the zone study.

3443
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:11,480
>> Thank you. So, just just off that for

3444
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:14,160
the for the commissioners to understand,

3445
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:17,000
when this comes back, what what will the

3446
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:20,760
county do with this information?

3447
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:22,640
>> Yeah. And so, what we can do is we can

3448
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:25,080
take and look at the different densities

3449
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:26,400
and what

3450
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:30,320
developers come in and it can help to

3451
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:33,440
support impact fees,

3452
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:35,480
the use of impact fees on actual

3453
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:37,400
infrastructure that's not specific to

3454
02:11:37,400 --> 02:11:40,120
just that one project. Obviously, you

3455
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:42,080
have to put in any of the roads that are

3456
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,120
required for that subdivision, but as

3457
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:46,160
there's larger areas

3458
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:49,600
that there may be a cumulative effect.

3459
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:50,280
Uh

3460
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:51,320
>> So, this is correct?

3461
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:52,400
>> So, this is normally something that

3462
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:54,120
developers would provide to the county

3463
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:56,040
to support

3464
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,680
their their level of density, right?

3465
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:01,320
It's not used as a mechanism Is it going

3466
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:03,720
to be used for as a mechanism to, let's

3467
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:06,760
say, change traffic plans?

3468
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:08,240
>> No.

3469
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:10,160
Um so, it's it's

3470
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:10,960
Uh

3471
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:12,720
so, traditionally we would ask for a

3472
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:15,640
traffic impact analysis at subdivision

3473
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:16,920
stage.

3474
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:17,560
Um

3475
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:19,040
but we do have a request for zone

3476
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:20,640
changes one there, but we would just

3477
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:23,080
want to make sure that we're looking at

3478
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:25,320
a larger area than just a couple acres

3479
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:28,280
at a time so that we can keep ahead of

3480
02:12:28,280 --> 02:12:29,920
the game on that.

3481
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,160
>> So and then this one's for Cody. So this

3482
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:34,080
information that they received this with

3483
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:36,120
this change what signage, what

3484
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:38,120
recommendations you make for like safety

3485
02:12:38,120 --> 02:12:39,480
or traffic issues?

3486
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:42,120
>> As I haven't read through this actual

3487
02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:44,480
analysis that Andrew put together.

3488
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:46,400
As far as the

3489
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,680
information that this is going to create

3490
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:50,000
from the road department safety

3491
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,880
standards it's going to help us identify

3492
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:54,040
if, you know, what collector roads are

3493
02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:55,680
going to be best to get this

3494
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:59,080
neighborhood onto Spanish Valley or

3495
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:00,800
whatever Cold Springs or whatever they

3496
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:03,440
are out to the minor collectors to get

3497
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:04,840
them to the major collector of Highway

3498
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:05,640
191.

3499
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:07,320
>> So this will help inform the uh future

3500
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:09,200
developments out there.

3501
02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:12,160
>> And collector roads, yes.

3502
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:13,360
>> I think

3503
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:15,560
>> And it's it's spelled out uh

3504
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:18,400
specifically in the information Friday

3505
02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:23,670
or ox on exactly what we will get. Um

3506
02:13:23,680 --> 02:13:25,240
» Do you have a time Andrew when you see

3507
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:27,520
this being able to start? I mean I would

3508
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:29,320
think we want to make sure that although

3509
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,880
I don't know how much tourism goes in

3510
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:33,240
and out of that road. I'm sure that

3511
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:35,240
there is some being as there's all the

3512
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:36,960
overnight rentals just down the road

3513
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:38,680
that we're not just doing this in the

3514
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:41,000
middle of December when there's hardly

3515
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:41,960
any traffic.

3516
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:43,880
>> Yeah, I think there's

3517
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:45,880
already those in it.

3518
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:47,280
Um

3519
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:48,960
You can get approval. [clears throat]

3520
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:50,600
>> Okay, Commissioner Moore.

3521
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:51,480
>> McGahey.

3522
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:55,480
>> I I just want some clarification. So

3523
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:57,000
and and maybe Steve can help me or

3524
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:58,920
somebody can help me, but

3525
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:02,120
so what we're approving tonight

3526
02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:06,040
is is some money can come out of the

3527
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:09,240
uh planning and zoning department up to

3528
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:11,240
$20,000

3529
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:12,400
to

3530
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:14,720
do the study.

3531
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:16,960
But then, where I get confused or what

3532
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,560
I'm wondering if there should be

3533
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,040
is this going to be brought back

3534
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:23,920
to talk about

3535
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:25,440
if we're going to extend it all the way

3536
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:28,000
to Beeman, what's that political impact?

3537
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:29,920
Is it something that the road department

3538
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:31,920
has the money to do?

3539
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:33,240
Or

3540
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:34,920
you know, I I'm a little

3541
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:37,200
>> This is just an analysis of the entire

3542
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,040
area before we have any other

3543
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:42,360
applications come back in or even if

3544
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:44,160
they do come back in, so we can make

3545
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:46,640
decisions based off of the traffic in

3546
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:47,800
that area.

3547
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:48,120
>> And then

3548
02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:49,760
>> And so now are we talking about going

3549
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:51,200
all the way to Beeman? Is that what

3550
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:53,040
we're talking about now?

3551
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,760
>> No, that would come back to us in a

3552
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:55,280
vote.

3553
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:58,000
>> Yeah, for scope change. If the funds

3554
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,640
would just come back based off of this

3555
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:02,680
scope and not to exceed budget. And to

3556
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:06,200
clarify in December of 2025, money was

3557
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:08,120
transferred out of the planning and

3558
02:15:08,120 --> 02:15:12,560
zoning budget for land use code update

3559
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,800
to this capital facilities

3560
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:16,440
um budget.

3561
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:18,800
So, I think 85,000 came out of planning

3562
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:20,040
and zoning

3563
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:22,240
over to the capital facilities budget.

3564
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:24,880
That's what's funding the 65,000 and

3565
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:25,560
then

3566
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:27,000
the land use

3567
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:29,480
code update and then that leaves that

3568
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:31,200
remainder.

3569
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:34,480
>> So, what we're voting on tonight is just

3570
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:36,080
that smaller area.

3571
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:37,040
>> Yes, ma'am.

3572
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:38,840
>> And up to 20,000.

3573
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:40,880
>> Mr. Mayor, I have

3574
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,840
In in my thoughts with that, uh if we

3575
02:15:42,840 --> 02:15:45,240
can get more within that 20,000,

3576
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:46,160
uh

3577
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,240
let's let's do it. But, if it exceeds

3578
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:50,280
and you are pulling funds from, that's

3579
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:51,480
what I would want to see happen.

3580
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:53,040
>> Yeah, and in my discussions with

3581
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:54,400
Horrocks,

3582
02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:57,520
um they seem to feel like um

3583
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,160
they would be

3584
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,040
under the 20,000.

3585
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:01,520
>> Okay.

3586
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:02,520
>> Um

3587
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:04,560
and there's always the

3588
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,800
scope creep and other things that happen

3589
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:10,040
as I get into things and we want them to

3590
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:12,800
do more etc. And so we're going to be

3591
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:15,240
sure that we have we have this contract

3592
02:16:15,240 --> 02:16:16,720
with them

3593
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:19,400
on our call basis, but in my discussions

3594
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:21,560
with Sinstadt, he felt like it could be

3595
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:23,680
done for um

3596
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:25,760
less than the 20,000. We're talking to

3597
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:26,480
Sinstadt.

3598
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:28,120
>> Up to 20k with me. Thanks.

3599
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:29,600
>> Thank you, Commissioner Haddeen, and

3600
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:32,760
then I'm going to call for a vote.

3601
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:35,360
>> Okay, even if we have more discussion?

3602
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:36,120
>> Mhm.

3603
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:38,000
>> I just said to Commissioner Haddeen,

3604
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:39,760
yes, if you have more discussion, and

3605
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,760
then I'm going to call for a vote.

3606
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:44,080
>> Okay, well, I I do think it's worth

3607
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:47,800
discussing. Um I a couple of things. So,

3608
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:49,559
we keep kind of talking in terms of

3609
02:16:49,559 --> 02:16:51,519
development. If it was a major

3610
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:52,920
development, I'll use Novac, for

3611
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:55,160
example, but but I don't

3612
02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:57,880
wouldn't wouldn't a developer usually

3613
02:16:57,880 --> 02:17:01,920
pay for the traffic study on a major

3614
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,120
I don't know. If you could answer that

3615
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:04,519
question?

3616
02:17:04,519 --> 02:17:07,599
>> Yeah, so not at a zone change level. The

3617
02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:08,840
best of the best of the best of the

3618
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:11,519
division, but then what we have is you

3619
02:17:11,519 --> 02:17:12,760
got

3620
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:15,240
one subdivision over here, four lots,

3621
02:17:15,240 --> 02:17:17,000
but that subdivision over here, six

3622
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:19,240
lots, and then a subdivision over here

3623
02:17:19,240 --> 02:17:21,160
of 10 lots.

3624
02:17:21,160 --> 02:17:25,080
On their own, it's not a significant

3625
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:28,280
issue, but cumulatively in this entire

3626
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:30,400
area, it could be. And so that's why

3627
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:33,160
we're looking at a base density of a

3628
02:17:33,160 --> 02:17:35,280
third acre

3629
02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:36,880
and what

3630
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:39,800
I guess the traffic impacts would be if

3631
02:17:39,800 --> 02:17:42,679
that area developed at third acre

3632
02:17:42,679 --> 02:17:44,200
density.

3633
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:46,200
>> Is that what the future land use map

3634
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:48,559
stated, a base density of a third of an

3635
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,440
acre? Where is that coming from?

3636
02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:52,440
>> Because we're looking at

3637
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,400
in some of the area, you could have

3638
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:56,480
quarter acre, some areas you could have

3639
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:59,960
half acres, etc. So we decided for study

3640
02:17:59,960 --> 02:18:02,639
purposes, we would use a base density of

3641
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:05,599
a third of an acre so that it covers

3642
02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:07,519
kind of our bases. Okay.

3643
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:08,679
>> And

3644
02:18:08,679 --> 02:18:11,960
is is he is the as far as where the

3645
02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:13,679
money is coming from, does that make

3646
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:15,800
sense?

3647
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:17,320
>> I guess my only comments on the matter

3648
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:19,240
is that if there is a possibility for

3649
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:21,240
the study for the entirety of the study

3650
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:23,960
to be funded out of fund 25 21 funds,

3651
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:26,200
which are restricted not general funds,

3652
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:27,519
um I would think that we would want to

3653
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:30,080
explore that possibility to the fullest.

3654
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:32,040
Um and you know, if there are if there

3655
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:33,480
are lines under spent in the general

3656
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:35,000
fund budget and we have the possibility

3657
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,440
of using different types of restricted

3658
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:38,280
funds and leaving lines under spent so

3659
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:40,040
that we're defraying costs to the

3660
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:41,480
general fund, we should explore that to

3661
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:44,000
the fullest.

3662
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,719
>> All right, I'm going to call for a vote

3663
02:18:45,719 --> 02:18:52,150
on this one. Those in favor?

3664
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:53,040
Those opposed?

3665
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:53,599
>> Staff.

3666
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,679
>> All right, this passes with one opposed.

3667
02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:57,960
Commissioner Adame opposed.

3668
02:18:57,960 --> 02:18:58,559
Oh.

3669
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:00,599
>> I I just I I I

3670
02:19:00,599 --> 02:19:02,480
>> Can Can I ask one question though?

3671
02:19:02,480 --> 02:19:04,320
>> Oh, you're you are opposed, Commissioner

3672
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:06,760
Adame. Okay, that this passes with

3673
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:09,400
Commissioner Adame and Commissioner Gams

3674
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:10,519
opposed.

3675
02:19:10,519 --> 02:19:12,040
>> Can I just ask a clarifying question for

3676
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:13,240
the study?

3677
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:15,360
What's What's going to be the Here

3678
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:17,559
Here's an interesting interesting

3679
02:19:17,559 --> 02:19:19,280
question with this. Once we create the

3680
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,840
study and the study is approved,

3681
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,000
then we Is the goal to share the data

3682
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:27,120
with other developers? And if that's the

3683
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:29,519
case, you know, that's that's one thing.

3684
02:19:29,519 --> 02:19:31,639
What makes this kind of a nuanced thing

3685
02:19:31,639 --> 02:19:33,200
is normally we see them from developers

3686
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,040
and the reason why is whatever project

3687
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:36,360
they have,

3688
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:38,240
it might be different than what we want.

3689
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:39,679
So, if we want them to come out on the

3690
02:19:39,679 --> 02:19:41,320
different collector roads, they have to

3691
02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:42,519
shift it.

3692
02:19:42,519 --> 02:19:44,080
Where it's going to be interesting is if

3693
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:45,240
we create the study and then want to

3694
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:46,240
share the information with the

3695
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:48,440
developers, we we definitely can. I just

3696
02:19:48,440 --> 02:19:49,600
need to know if that's the goal for the

3697
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:51,520
commission to share the information so

3698
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:52,920
the developers can utilize that

3699
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:55,120
information and they may or may not have

3700
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,520
like competing studies on it. So, we can

3701
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:58,760
do the study, we can have it in the

3702
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:00,480
house, we can make the expenditure, but

3703
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:02,280
if the goal is to help kind of support

3704
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:04,240
the basis for the development, is it

3705
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:06,520
then the goal to release the results of

3706
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:08,080
the study? And maybe that could then

3707
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:09,280
comes at a later date, but it's

3708
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,000
something to kind of be thinking about

3709
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:12,440
when we do this traffic study and then

3710
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:13,800
we get the results of it.

3711
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:15,920
>> If it's not exactly for the benefit of

3712
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:17,840
the county, and then the other oddity is

3713
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,160
when you have the developers do the

3714
02:20:19,160 --> 02:20:21,040
applications, if we didn't share this

3715
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:22,400
information with them ahead of time,

3716
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:24,600
it's going to be really hard to utilize

3717
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:26,800
this against like against their project

3718
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:28,120
and to kind of request that they do

3719
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:29,520
something different. So, I'm just

3720
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:30,680
putting that out there, food for

3721
02:20:30,680 --> 02:20:32,160
thought. We're going to have it, it'll

3722
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:33,920
come back, and then

3723
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:35,000
consider it.

3724
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,280
And also notably, no other commissioner

3725
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:38,440
can leave the room, otherwise we lose

3726
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:41,750
quorum.

3727
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:43,000
» Just did this.

3728
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:47,200
Oh, no. All right, well, I think that passed. And then we're on to the

3729
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:48,840
next item.

3730
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:50,600
Thank you, both of you gentlemen.

3731
02:20:50,600 --> 02:20:53,840
Appreciate your input and your time.

3732
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:57,040
We are on to the resolution adopting How

3733
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:00,080
do you pronounce that, sir?

3734
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:02,320
>> Uh Naval Ridge or the

3735
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:03,040
>> That's Yanez.

3736
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:05,000
>> Yanez?

3737
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:06,680
>> it's Yanez.

3738
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:09,560
>> Application number 2613.

3739
02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:13,600
>> Yep. So, Robert and Margaret

3740
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:15,360
Yanez

3741
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:18,880
Living Trust owns uh lot 2A of the Naval

3742
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:22,640
Ridge lot 2A subdivision, a 6.85 acre

3743
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:25,800
lot in Spanish Valley Southeast of the

3744
02:21:25,800 --> 02:21:28,760
uh lab that holds an existing house. The

3745
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:32,320
trust wants to split it into two, a 4.09

3746
02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:35,920
acre lot that keeps the house, lot 2A,

3747
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,960
and a new vacant 2.76

3748
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:42,320
acre lot, lot 14A. Because lot 2A is

3749
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:43,920
within a recorded subdivision, this

3750
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:46,560
filing amends that recorded plat and

3751
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:49,160
creates a new buildable lot. Both lots

3752
02:21:49,160 --> 02:21:51,520
are single family, are served off the

3753
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:53,880
existing Redrock Drive and Far Canyon

3754
02:21:53,880 --> 02:21:56,400
Drive private easements through 40-ft

3755
02:21:56,400 --> 02:22:00,440
private access track and the lots are

3756
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:02,400
larger than what's

3757
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:05,960
the minimum in that area by the zoning

3758
02:22:05,960 --> 02:22:09,840
and recommend approval of the the

3759
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:14,150
standard conditions of the

3760
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,520
» All right.

3761
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:17,640
Commissioner Martinez.

3762
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:19,240
>> I would like to make a motion.

3763
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:19,640
>> Please.

3764
02:22:19,640 --> 02:22:21,320
>> Having considered staff report, the

3765
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:23,600
proposed final plat, public comments,

3766
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:28,040
and the Utah Code 17-79-7-11,

3767
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:29,560
and the Grand County Land Use Code as

3768
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:33,080
amended by ordinance number 708,

3769
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:35,160
finding that the plat amendment has

3770
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:36,560
conditions

3771
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:38,720
one to the applicable objective

3772
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:41,040
standards of the Land Use Code, that

3773
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,880
each lot has frontage on the legal

3774
02:22:43,880 --> 02:22:46,880
access to an existing street, I move to

3775
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:48,880
approve the Navajo Ridge Lot 2

3776
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:52,000
Subdivision amended as an administrative

3777
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,600
item and to adopt a resolution to be

3778
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:56,880
determined subject to the conditions of

3779
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:59,080
the resolution to authorize the chair to

3780
02:22:59,080 --> 02:23:02,200
sign the plat once the final zoning

3781
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:04,440
director confirms the conditions have

3782
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:05,960
been

3783
02:23:05,960 --> 02:23:08,400
>> Motion by Commissioner Martinez. And

3784
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:08,840
could you

3785
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:10,120
>> I second.

3786
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:11,520
>> Could you before the mo- the motion

3787
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:13,240
seconded, could you add pending legal

3788
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:15,120
review?

3789
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:16,480
>> Pending legal review.

3790
02:23:16,480 --> 02:23:17,640
>> Thank you.

3791
02:23:17,640 --> 02:23:20,000
Is that fine with the second, Melanie?

3792
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:20,800
>> Yes.

3793
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,000
>> Okay, motion by Commissioner Martin-

3794
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:24,640
Martinez, second by Commissioner

3795
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:28,470
McCandless. Discussion?

3796
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:30,280
All right, seeing none, I will call for

3797
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:33,790
a vote. Those in favor?

3798
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:35,080
» I.

3799
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:36,480
>> Those opposed?

3800
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:38,200
>> I'm opposed. Can I say why?

3801
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:42,520
>> Um can I finish this passes

3802
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,880
with what are there?

3803
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:48,080
One one opposed and two absent.

3804
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:50,240
Commissioner Hedden opposed and

3805
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:52,720
Commissioner McCarty and Commissioner

3806
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,120
McGinn

3807
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:56,480
absent. Yes, Commissioner Hedden.

3808
02:23:56,480 --> 02:23:58,440
>> I I I'm not sure why things aren't

3809
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:00,480
making it to legal before they're

3810
02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:02,400
getting on the agenda, but I really want

3811
02:24:02,400 --> 02:24:07,200
to start making sure um that all items,

3812
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:09,800
contracts, land use code decisions,

3813
02:24:09,800 --> 02:24:11,480
everything should be going to legal

3814
02:24:11,480 --> 02:24:13,360
before they could get on the agenda.

3815
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:15,520
There There's no reason that they should

3816
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:16,840
be

3817
02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:18,520
>> Well, it's it's very possible that it

3818
02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:21,240
has been to legal and just hasn't been

3819
02:24:21,240 --> 02:24:23,480
um had time to get through legal yet.

3820
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:25,320
>> So, why So, why not wait for it to get

3821
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:26,680
through legal before it goes on the

3822
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:29,000
agenda? I think it's really poor I think

3823
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,160
it's poor governance.

3824
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,750
>> Thank you.

3825
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:34,200
Commissioner McCarty.

3826
02:24:34,200 --> 02:24:36,600
>> Uh sometimes uh things are sent to

3827
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:38,400
legal. I do know that and I understand

3828
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:45,040
that, but we we use any form to uh delay governance

3829
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:47,560
uh that we can and holding it up.

3830
02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:49,560
>> Austin.

3831
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:51,360
>> Unfortunately

3832
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:54,600
I I I'm not trying to make more of like

3833
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:56,360
items 11 and 12 didn't get sent to

3834
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:57,320
legal.

3835
02:24:57,320 --> 02:24:59,040
Um so, we're just asking that they get

3836
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:00,880
approved pending legal review. That's

3837
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:02,920
it. Um my office is happy to review

3838
02:25:02,920 --> 02:25:04,720
them. We'll get them reviewed. We just

3839
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:05,840
ask for additional time to forward them

3840
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:06,760
to our

3841
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:08,920
>> We're I thought you said you were We're

3842
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:10,880
asking it was Commissioner Hedden. So,

3843
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:12,960
if you're asking, I think just make that

3844
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:15,480
point to us or is she your spokesperson?

3845
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:17,760
>> I noted in the motion that I requested

3846
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:19,480
pending legal review. That was probably

3847
02:25:19,480 --> 02:25:21,760
the gentlest way I could raise the issue

3848
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:23,800
without attempting to make it an issue.

3849
02:25:23,800 --> 02:25:25,840
But, that was that was my request. I

3850
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:27,480
already talked to to Mark McGinn about

3851
02:25:27,480 --> 02:25:28,640
that request and was going to make it a

3852
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:30,520
slide if possible. So.

3853
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:32,400
>> Okay. Thank you. We will move on to

3854
02:25:32,400 --> 02:25:35,720
number 12, resolution approving DT

3855
02:25:35,720 --> 02:25:37,800
subdivision minor subdivision

3856
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:40,440
application 2612.

3857
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:41,960
Mr. Jackson.

3858
02:25:41,960 --> 02:25:44,320
>> Lynchburg Capital Holding LLC Robert

3859
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:45,240
Lucero and

3860
02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:50,240
>> member, owns a 3.22 acre parcel at 46

3861
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:51,560
Spanish Valley Drive in the rural

3862
02:25:51,560 --> 02:25:54,520
residential one acre lot zone with a

3863
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:58,080
house and a detached garage on it. The

3864
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,760
company wants to split it into two lots,

3865
02:26:00,760 --> 02:26:04,960
2.5 2.15 acre lot that keeps the

3866
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:09,240
existing house and a one acre vacant lot

3867
02:26:09,240 --> 02:26:11,800
fronting on Valley View Delful Drive.

3868
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:14,520
The plat also gives the county a strip

3869
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:17,520
of land along Spanish Valley Drive for

3870
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,800
road right-of-way.

3871
02:26:19,800 --> 02:26:22,400
Both lots front a public street. They

3872
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:24,680
meet minimum lot size

3873
02:26:24,680 --> 02:26:29,120
as noted on the the plan. Part of

3874
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:30,920
uh lot one

3875
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:34,320
is in the map FEMA floodway.

3876
02:26:34,320 --> 02:26:35,320
Um

3877
02:26:35,320 --> 02:26:36,440
so there's

3878
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:38,960
part of an existing building in there

3879
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:41,160
whether it can be any new buildings

3880
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:42,320
unless it's a

3881
02:26:42,320 --> 02:26:43,560
uh

3882
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:57,790
flood study done in that area. I

3883
02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:05,310
» That's all right.

3884
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:06,680
» All right, when somebody's ready, a

3885
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:10,590
motion. Commissioner McCurdy.

3886
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:12,120
» I'd like to make the motion having

3887
02:27:12,120 --> 02:27:13,800
considered the staff report proposal

3888
02:27:13,800 --> 02:27:18,000
final plat the FEMA flood mapping

3889
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:20,600
uh public comments and Utah code

3890
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:23,360
17-79-701

3891
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:26,910
through 17-79-704

3892
02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:29,560
and finding that the plat as conditioned

3893
02:27:29,560 --> 02:27:31,560
conforms to the applicable objectives

3894
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:33,560
standards of the Grand County land use

3895
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:36,520
code and that each lot has frontage on a

3896
02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:39,720
legal access to public street. I move to

3897
02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:42,920
adopt resolution TBD

3898
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:45,000
approving the final plat of the DT

3899
02:27:45,000 --> 02:27:46,360
subdivision

3900
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:49,360
and accepting the dedication of public

3901
02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:51,400
right-of-way shown there

3902
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:52,480
thereon

3903
02:27:52,480 --> 02:27:54,840
subject to the conditions in the

3904
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:58,480
resolution and to authorize the chair to

3905
02:27:58,480 --> 02:28:00,720
sign the plat once the planning and

3906
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:02,480
zoning director confirms the conditions

3907
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:04,960
have been met.

3908
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,960
Pending legal Pending legal review. Yes.

3909
02:28:07,960 --> 02:28:10,000
Thank you. Commissioner McCurdy made the

3910
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:14,030
motion. Do I have a second?

3911
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:15,320
I'll second.

3912
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:17,080
Seconded by Commissioner McCammon.

3913
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:18,400
Further discussion?

3914
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:20,400
Discussions?

3915
02:28:20,400 --> 02:28:22,360
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. Those

3916
02:28:22,360 --> 02:28:23,880
in favor?

3917
02:28:23,880 --> 02:28:25,760
Vote. Vote. Can I I have one question.

3918
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:27,240
I'm sorry.

3919
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:30,400
I I did Those in favor?

3920
02:28:30,400 --> 02:28:33,630
Those opposed?

3921
02:28:33,640 --> 02:28:36,280
Same reason. I'm saying I I have a

3922
02:28:36,280 --> 02:28:37,720
question. Okay. Sorry, Mary. I mean,

3923
02:28:37,720 --> 02:28:39,200
once I'm in the middle of calling for

3924
02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:40,600
it, I don't mind if you

3925
02:28:40,600 --> 02:28:42,120
question us

3926
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:44,200
It came came to me too late. I

3927
02:28:44,200 --> 02:28:46,040
apologize. Well, you're welcome to ask

3928
02:28:46,040 --> 02:28:49,480
it while we're here, so So so if

3929
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:52,840
there So during your legal review, if

3930
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:54,280
there's some issues, you will bring it

3931
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:56,040
back and we will reconsider. If there's

3932
02:28:56,040 --> 02:28:58,480
any If there's any non de minimus kind

3933
02:28:58,480 --> 02:29:00,800
of larger issues, I don't believe that

3934
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:02,400
there will be any, but if there are any,

3935
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:04,000
then we'll bring it bring it back to

3936
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:04,640
you.

3937
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:06,880
The approval by the county attorney

3938
02:29:06,880 --> 02:29:07,800
Uh

3939
02:29:07,800 --> 02:29:10,240
correct, this is a administrative

3940
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:13,640
decision, not a legislative decision.

3941
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:15,640
We'll address that in legal review.

3942
02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:18,480
Perfect. Uh Staff to that.

3943
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:20,080
Anything that's non de minimus, please

3944
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:21,800
bring back to us.

3945
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:23,160
Yep. Happy to do so.

3946
02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:24,720
Thank you.

3947
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:27,280
All right. We will Thank you, Mr.

3948
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:31,720
Jackson. You move on to number 13, Grand County

3949
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:34,880
and NPS cooperative management agreement

3950
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:37,600
for Moab to Arches shuttle, Mr.

3951
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,200
Martinez.

3952
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:41,160
>> This agreement sets the terms under

3953
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:42,800
which Grand County and the National Park

3954
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:44,920
Service will jointly manage the Moab to

3955
02:29:44,920 --> 02:29:46,640
Arches shuttle service,

3956
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,920
covering each party's responsibilities,

3957
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:51,040
operating hours, routes, and how the

3958
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,080
county and NPS will work together in the

3959
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:54,920
coming year. Signing it puts the

3960
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:57,440
framework in place for pilot to launch

3961
02:29:57,440 --> 02:29:58,760
this fall.

3962
02:29:58,760 --> 02:30:00,160
Then I'll just go ahead and start off

3963
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:03,080
with the motion. I move to sign the Moab

3964
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:04,800
to Arches shuttle cooperative management

3965
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:08,520
agreement with the NPS.

3966
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:11,240
>> Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second

3967
02:30:11,240 --> 02:30:14,720
by Commissioner McCurdy, discussion.

3968
02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:15,640
Commissioner McCurdy.

3969
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:17,600
>> Do we have to put I move to

3970
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:19,920
authorize chair to sign, or is sign

3971
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:21,520
okay?

3972
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:22,760
>> Is the intent clear?

3973
02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:24,760
>> Intent clear.

3974
02:30:24,760 --> 02:30:25,920
>> Other than that?

3975
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:27,000
>> Commissioner Hadler.

3976
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:30,200
>> Um so I actually didn't have a chance to

3977
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:31,520
sit down with Stephen. I I read through

3978
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:33,280
his remarks. I was I was going to, and

3979
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:35,040
then I accidentally had to visit the

3980
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:36,960
dentist during the time that I was

3981
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:41,960
going to see him. But um I did notice that he the basically

3982
02:30:41,960 --> 02:30:44,280
the CMA that went over to Stephen is the

3983
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:46,720
same CMA that we are going to be voting

3984
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:49,440
to approve on with Brian's motion here

3985
02:30:49,440 --> 02:30:53,520
um with very little change. So uh

3986
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:55,840
I I would ask the attorney if

3987
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:57,040
um

3988
02:30:57,040 --> 02:31:00,680
it it looked from the comments made on

3989
02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:01,880
that CMA that went out to us

3990
02:31:01,880 --> 02:31:03,480
commissioners

3991
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:06,320
that there was a considerable amount of

3992
02:31:06,320 --> 02:31:06,880
um

3993
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:08,040
there there are a considerable number of

3994
02:31:08,040 --> 02:31:11,960
things that that Stephen uh remarked on

3995
02:31:11,960 --> 02:31:15,680
and didn't end up in this. Were If If it

3996
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:17,800
was your decision to

3997
02:31:17,800 --> 02:31:20,160
enter into this contract, would would

3998
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:22,200
you feel comfort comfortable doing it as

3999
02:31:22,200 --> 02:31:24,520
presented in this packet?

4000
02:31:24,520 --> 02:31:27,240
>> So I I I I weigh in on the

4001
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:28,760
It's not my place. I'm not a policy

4002
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:30,640
maker. I'm not a uh I just highlight

4003
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:32,360
what it is. I I put comments on through

4004
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:35,600
the contract. The contract the contract

4005
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,240
you know represents the the goal is that

4006
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:40,400
there be a shuttle program. It be for

4007
02:31:40,400 --> 02:31:41,760
the expenditure of money that we have

4008
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:43,240
identified. The terms are within the

4009
02:31:43,240 --> 02:31:46,920
contract. The shuttle runs for roughly 6

4010
02:31:46,920 --> 02:31:49,760
months, 9 hours every day for the select

4011
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:51,320
periods of time. I believe the goal is

4012
02:31:51,320 --> 02:31:53,200
September through October and then

4013
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:56,080
reinitiates for 4 months next year. The

4014
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:57,760
county receives the benefit of obtaining

4015
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:00,480
data, information, and having a shuttle

4016
02:32:00,480 --> 02:32:04,120
run with up to 12 shuttles

4017
02:32:04,120 --> 02:32:07,040
with stops throughout the

4018
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:08,480
That's what the terms are in the

4019
02:32:08,480 --> 02:32:11,840
contract. Kind of a broad summary of it.

4020
02:32:11,840 --> 02:32:13,600
In any type of contract review, I'm

4021
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,400
going to note mark things that are good,

4022
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:17,640
bad, and indifferent.

4023
02:32:17,640 --> 02:32:19,360
This is it's not my place to say whether

4024
02:32:19,360 --> 02:32:22,360
one should enter into a contract,

4025
02:32:22,360 --> 02:32:23,800
but I'm noting things. If there are

4026
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:25,360
specific questions, I can answer your

4027
02:32:25,360 --> 02:32:27,400
specific questions.

4028
02:32:27,400 --> 02:32:30,040
But overall, it does

4029
02:32:30,040 --> 02:32:33,080
it is in fact a contract that will

4030
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:34,640
provide

4031
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:36,520
for the terms that we're listing in it.

4032
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:38,080
And so

4033
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:40,040
the sections that lay that out is going

4034
02:32:40,040 --> 02:32:41,240
to be the obligations for the county,

4035
02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:43,480
obligations for the NPS.

4036
02:32:43,480 --> 02:32:45,120
There are some nuances to it. There are

4037
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:48,840
some complex relationships with it.

4038
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:50,000
So

4039
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:52,560
do I do I think that it's in a point

4040
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:55,600
where it could be that this

4041
02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:57,200
contract could be approved? Yes. I I

4042
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:00,120
have provided all the commissioners a

4043
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:02,520
strong markup of the document. Provided

4044
02:33:02,520 --> 02:33:04,120
as much information as I can things for

4045
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,040
the commissioners to consider.

4046
02:33:06,040 --> 02:33:07,440
Those are the things that I put in the

4047
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:08,800
contracts when we're doing a review to

4048
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:10,200
say, "Hey, look and consider these

4049
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:11,920
options." Try to give you guys as much

4050
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:14,160
information. This is a unique contract.

4051
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:15,560
It's for

4052
02:33:15,560 --> 02:33:18,280
2.8 something million dollars. And so

4053
02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:20,360
it's it's had a heavy review. And those

4054
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:22,080
are items that I've marked out are

4055
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:23,680
things that the

4056
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:25,720
county should consider when when looking

4057
02:33:25,720 --> 02:33:27,040
at this application or this contract,

4058
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,440
sorry.

4059
02:33:28,440 --> 02:33:30,000
>> Commissioner McCarty,

4060
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:31,840
question Steve again. Overall defensible

4061
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,720
contract?

4062
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:35,920
>> Yeah, I mean well

4063
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:36,520
you

4064
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:37,600
when you say the word defensible

4065
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,880
contract so is it defensible that we're

4066
02:33:39,880 --> 02:33:41,760
in a contract with the NPS that they'll

4067
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:43,280
provide what they say that they're going

4068
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:44,680
to provide in the contract? Yeah, I

4069
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:46,520
think there's an obligation for them to

4070
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:51,880
provide the level of support and we're seeking funding based on that.

4071
02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:53,680
Can the county require them to perform

4072
02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:56,480
their portion of the contract? Yes.

4073
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:57,560
That's

4074
02:33:57,560 --> 02:33:59,640
defensible

4075
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:01,320
is a different word in this context but

4076
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:03,120
yeah, sure defensible.

4077
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:05,080
>> If you mean is there a risk if they

4078
02:34:05,080 --> 02:34:06,960
didn't fund it?

4079
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:09,600
>> If they didn't fund it Yeah, I think

4080
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:12,240
that there there'd be

4081
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:13,640
they're providing a portion of the

4082
02:34:13,640 --> 02:34:15,720
funding up to a certain amount. They're

4083
02:34:15,720 --> 02:34:17,440
limited or they're capped on that amount

4084
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:18,720
that they provide and that's in the

4085
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:21,480
first section of the contract and I'm

4086
02:34:21,480 --> 02:34:23,160
trying to remember to use my microphone

4087
02:34:23,160 --> 02:34:26,840
cuz Commissioner Candace is online.

4088
02:34:26,840 --> 02:34:29,840
>> Commissioner McCandless

4089
02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:31,840
>> Yes.

4090
02:34:31,840 --> 02:34:33,960
>> I thought you had a question.

4091
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:35,560
>> Oh no, I'm sorry. I was saying I'm

4092
02:34:35,560 --> 02:34:37,000
trying to remember to use a microphone

4093
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:38,200
cuz she's online.

4094
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:39,640
>> Okay, thank you.

4095
02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:42,790
>> You're doing great.

4096
02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:44,520
I have quite a few questions for Steven.

4097
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:46,200
please I was gone for a few

4098
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:47,680
minutes so if you already answered them

4099
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:50,160
please just say you already answered it.

4100
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,000
Um

4101
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:56,360
What is the level of risk that this

4102
02:34:56,360 --> 02:34:57,960
agreement

4103
02:34:57,960 --> 02:35:00,520
produces for the county? Do you have a

4104
02:35:00,520 --> 02:35:03,360
an overview, a concern?

4105
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:07,840
>> So so this contract, remember it this isn't

4106
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:09,480
we're in a kind of a multi-stage for

4107
02:35:09,480 --> 02:35:11,800
contracts. This contract is with the NPS

4108
02:35:11,800 --> 02:35:13,160
that the county will provide a shuttle

4109
02:35:13,160 --> 02:35:14,640
program and we're going to receive

4110
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:17,560
funding from the NPS. They're agreeing

4111
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:19,800
to assisting and helping us with certain

4112
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:21,520
elements of that contract and we're

4113
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,080
agreeing that we will provide and

4114
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:27,520
facilitate those shuttle elements. And

4115
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:30,440
so that's that's what this contract is

4116
02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:32,760
about. This also puts obligations that

4117
02:35:32,760 --> 02:35:34,720
we have to complete those things. So if

4118
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:37,880
we failed to do that the county is in an

4119
02:35:37,880 --> 02:35:39,720
awkward situation where we would have to

4120
02:35:39,720 --> 02:35:41,440
provide to them or provide notice to

4121
02:35:41,440 --> 02:35:43,480
them that we are we are unable to

4122
02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:45,360
provide these things. However, within

4123
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:46,960
the contract

4124
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:48,840
we have made sure that the county's

4125
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:50,920
position is protected by using

4126
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:52,680
aspirational language in some of the

4127
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:53,920
terms.

4128
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:56,400
So the language that we use in some

4129
02:35:56,400 --> 02:35:58,160
places is not

4130
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:00,960
must or shall. It is employing best

4131
02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:02,320
efforts to do the following and to

4132
02:36:02,320 --> 02:36:03,840
provide those things.

4133
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:05,520
reduce the amount of risk

4134
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:07,200
to the county. So for example, the

4135
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:08,600
county isn't able to start until

4136
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:11,000
September 15th versus September 1st,

4137
02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:12,840
there's not a penalty clause, there's

4138
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:14,320
not a damages clause that triggered

4139
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:17,400
because of that. So this contract,

4140
02:36:17,400 --> 02:36:19,280
there is a level of risk and that risk

4141
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:20,520
is that the county doesn't complete its

4142
02:36:20,520 --> 02:36:22,040
obligations in providing a shuttle

4143
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:23,880
program

4144
02:36:23,880 --> 02:36:26,360
and that's our that's our risk. The next

4145
02:36:26,360 --> 02:36:28,240
contracts that we have, those are higher

4146
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,160
levels of risk conversation because

4147
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:31,280
they're contracting for different

4148
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:32,800
things. But this is an exchange of

4149
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:35,000
money, county's going to be providing

4150
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:37,280
services. And so our risk is whether or

4151
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:39,360
not we can provide those services. But

4152
02:36:39,360 --> 02:36:41,080
again the thing that helps us out is the

4153
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:42,400
language that we utilized in the

4154
02:36:42,400 --> 02:36:44,200
contract to make sure that it's

4155
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:46,960
aspirational and the county employs best

4156
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:49,280
to get the things that that we need.

4157
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:55,310
That explains the question.

4158
02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:56,560
» Commissioner McCready, did you have your

4159
02:36:56,560 --> 02:37:00,200
hand up? Commissioner McGinn.

4160
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:02,000
>> Um

4161
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:05,360
reading through it, you know, and and and obligations and the things

4162
02:37:05,360 --> 02:37:07,400
that we have to do for the shuttle, I

4163
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:09,440
have a lot of concerns that this is

4164
02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:12,720
going to add added cost beyond the half

4165
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,600
a million dollars that we have already

4166
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:20,160
uh agreed to because uh seek out this is

4167
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:23,760
going to be to you know come to fruition

4168
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:26,920
without us uh

4169
02:37:26,920 --> 02:37:29,160
you know using a great deal of staff

4170
02:37:29,160 --> 02:37:30,520
time.

4171
02:37:30,520 --> 02:37:31,920
So that's going to mean that either

4172
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:34,080
we're taking away

4173
02:37:34,080 --> 02:37:36,320
you know we're having staff do added

4174
02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:38,720
responsibilities

4175
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:41,560
to what out they are already doing.

4176
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:44,760
And if they are salaried people people

4177
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:46,520
that means they're going to be spending

4178
02:37:46,520 --> 02:37:50,560
a lot of overtime which you know

4179
02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:52,360
I sign checks at Solid Waste all the

4180
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:55,520
time. I see the cost of overtime and

4181
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:59,160
uh you know so if we're using the staff we have at the

4182
02:37:59,160 --> 02:38:01,480
county right now and it's going to take

4183
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:04,760
staff to implement this. I don't I did

4184
02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:06,400
it's going to

4185
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:08,240
you know going to have to unless one of

4186
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:10,280
the commissioners did it.

4187
02:38:10,280 --> 02:38:14,320
You know without and you know it's going to be costly. It's going to

4188
02:38:14,320 --> 02:38:17,080
take time and I'm concerned about that.

4189
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:19,200
I'm uh you know I was going and if it

4190
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:20,560
doesn't

4191
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:22,320
if there's not a staff member that can

4192
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:25,280
spend all that time making sure all

4193
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:28,360
those things come together then it's

4194
02:38:28,360 --> 02:38:29,720
going to mean that we're going to have

4195
02:38:29,720 --> 02:38:32,120
to hire someone.

4196
02:38:32,120 --> 02:38:34,280
And we're on a hiring freeze and there's

4197
02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:37,800
departments in this county that

4198
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:40,360
we're saying no to.

4199
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:42,280
And yet now we're bringing that was

4200
02:38:42,280 --> 02:38:48,120
never talked about never considered never a future project

4201
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:51,360
that we may be needing in order to meet

4202
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:53,280
our obligations.

4203
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:55,400
Pay for another employee.

4204
02:38:55,400 --> 02:38:58,240
So I have a lot of I have concerns for

4205
02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:01,120
the cost. I also have concerns that this

4206
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:05,440
one raise either through our trust

4207
02:39:05,440 --> 02:39:08,080
or somehow our insurance is going to to

4208
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,120
go up.

4209
02:39:10,120 --> 02:39:11,080
I mean,

4210
02:39:11,080 --> 02:39:13,000
if you know, whether it's through this

4211
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:15,800
contract or the following contract, I

4212
02:39:15,800 --> 02:39:19,160
we're taking on a lot of liabilities

4213
02:39:19,160 --> 02:39:21,640
to this. I know with the city, they have

4214
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:23,920
someone they don't have a person who

4215
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:25,760
have a shuttle.

4216
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:27,240
And they, you know,

4217
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:29,920
they're hired to do it. Decide to do it.

4218
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:31,480
That's part of the

4219
02:39:31,480 --> 02:39:32,760
budgeting.

4220
02:39:32,760 --> 02:39:34,600
You know, and then I'm I'm concerned

4221
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:36,680
about safety

4222
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:39,640
because of the haste.

4223
02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:43,720
And anytime you do anything in haste,

4224
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:45,480
I know my husband was very very strict

4225
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:49,160
with his employees that you don't hurry.

4226
02:39:49,160 --> 02:39:51,520
You get that you do you do you you spend

4227
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:53,080
your time wisely. You get your things

4228
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,640
done. But when people hurry, when you

4229
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:59,080
know, anybody hurries and there's haste,

4230
02:39:59,080 --> 02:40:02,000
that's when mistakes are made.

4231
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:03,560
I mean, we've seen it. I mean, it's been

4232
02:40:03,560 --> 02:40:05,600
in the news every day. What's happened

4233
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:07,880
with the haste of the completion,

4234
02:40:07,880 --> 02:40:11,000
uh the reflection on for Washington.

4235
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:12,760
I mean, that was

4236
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:15,120
you know, people were trying to push to

4237
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:19,680
get it done in this timely fashion and this has been we have less than a

4238
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:21,040
month

4239
02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:24,160
to, you know, December September 1st and

4240
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:26,280
then we only have just a little over a

4241
02:40:26,280 --> 02:40:29,040
month to December 15th.

4242
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:32,040
It's uh I I I and I think anytime you

4243
02:40:32,040 --> 02:40:35,080
push anything that is that hasty,

4244
02:40:35,080 --> 02:40:39,590
it's adding risk and

4245
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:41,280
you know, the notes I read from Stephen

4246
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:43,040
and Satcher, you know, that that's some

4247
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:46,360
of the things that I were brought up.

4248
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:49,910
And

4249
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:52,680
I I've just um

4250
02:40:52,680 --> 02:40:54,920
saddened that we are continuing to go

4251
02:40:54,920 --> 02:40:57,240
down this road when

4252
02:40:57,240 --> 02:41:00,040
often times when presented in making up

4253
02:41:00,040 --> 02:41:02,920
a making a decision and then later being

4254
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,160
confronted with all the reasons why this

4255
02:41:05,160 --> 02:41:07,320
decision you made was probably not your

4256
02:41:07,320 --> 02:41:09,240
best decision.

4257
02:41:09,240 --> 02:41:11,400
That it's always wise and the wise thing

4258
02:41:11,400 --> 02:41:13,120
to do is to say

4259
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:16,120
I think maybe we need to step back and

4260
02:41:16,120 --> 02:41:17,520
reconsider

4261
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:19,200
at least

4262
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,880
pushing it at this speed.

4263
02:41:21,880 --> 02:41:23,760
>> I I want to remind the commissioners

4264
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:25,680
that we're not here to debate the

4265
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:28,480
shuttle again. We're here to vote on a

4266
02:41:28,480 --> 02:41:31,200
cooperative management agreement and

4267
02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:34,080
that to continually go down this road, I

4268
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:36,400
understand everybody has your concerns,

4269
02:41:36,400 --> 02:41:39,320
but we are voting on an agreement here.

4270
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:41,480
We are not rediscussing whether or not

4271
02:41:41,480 --> 02:41:42,680
there's going to be a shuttle.

4272
02:41:42,680 --> 02:41:44,480
>> agreement about the shuttle.

4273
02:41:44,480 --> 02:41:45,280
>> Exactly.

4274
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:47,320
>> So so we got we need to get

4275
02:41:47,320 --> 02:41:49,600
>> my turn to speak. I allowed you to

4276
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:51,600
speak. Now I'm going to speak and then

4277
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,280
I'll go to Commissioner Hedden when I'm

4278
02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:55,680
done. I'm reminding commissioners that

4279
02:41:55,680 --> 02:41:57,520
we are not debating whether there's

4280
02:41:57,520 --> 02:41:59,680
going to be a shuttle here. We're not

4281
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:01,360
going to reconsider that. We're

4282
02:42:01,360 --> 02:42:05,000
considering this agreement and we've

4283
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:07,760
noted that it comes with some notes from

4284
02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:10,000
our county attorney. Thank you. And

4285
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:11,920
we're going to move forward with a vote

4286
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:13,680
here after we hear from Commissioner

4287
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:15,600
Hedden.

4288
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:17,040
>> Yeah, I just have a question right now,

4289
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:18,520
but I would like to make comments later

4290
02:42:18,520 --> 02:42:20,960
on after I get my question

4291
02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:22,920
uh question answered if possible.

4292
02:42:22,920 --> 02:42:24,840
>> Well, it's your turn to speak, so just

4293
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:26,120
combine the two of them.

4294
02:42:26,120 --> 02:42:26,640
>> Okay.

4295
02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:26,960
>> Thank you.

4296
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:29,040
>> So my my um

4297
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:30,600
my question is about the shuttle

4298
02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:32,200
attendants. I realize that it's in the

4299
02:42:32,200 --> 02:42:34,600
contract. So can we speak to that just a

4300
02:42:34,600 --> 02:42:36,240
little bit? I understand it's going to

4301
02:42:36,240 --> 02:42:38,840
be a separate RFP, but

4302
02:42:38,840 --> 02:42:41,160
if anybody can kind of throw out there

4303
02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:43,760
>> RFP because that just muddles this one

4304
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:44,760
even further.

4305
02:42:44,760 --> 02:42:48,920
>> It is on this agreement, so I think it behooves us to to talk about it a

4306
02:42:48,920 --> 02:42:49,480
little bit.

4307
02:42:49,480 --> 02:42:49,880
>> Okay.

4308
02:42:49,880 --> 02:42:52,040
>> And I I don't care who talks about it.

4309
02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:53,920
>> Look at Dave. I think he's uh I'm

4310
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:56,280
holding that RFP right here.

4311
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:57,000
Brooke?

4312
02:42:57,000 --> 02:42:58,040
>> Uh it's posted.

4313
02:42:58,040 --> 02:42:59,880
>> Yep, RFP is out and it's posted. I don't

4314
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:01,680
know if there's any update on that. I

4315
02:43:01,680 --> 02:43:03,560
mean, that's that's as much information

4316
02:43:03,560 --> 02:43:07,070
as I have.

4317
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:08,880
» So, okay.

4318
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:10,520
Yeah. All right, that's all we got.

4319
02:43:10,520 --> 02:43:14,640
Okay. Um, so I realize I agree with you,

4320
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:16,880
Bill. We are discussing just the

4321
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:18,360
agreement.

4322
02:43:18,360 --> 02:43:19,160
Um,

4323
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:21,160
and I'll and I guess I'll throw out and

4324
02:43:21,160 --> 02:43:23,720
these things came from me perusing the

4325
02:43:23,720 --> 02:43:26,240
agreement. So, just just know that I'm

4326
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,840
just not off the cuff coming up with all

4327
02:43:28,840 --> 02:43:31,080
my issues. I have the agreement right

4328
02:43:31,080 --> 02:43:33,040
here. I read through it. I highlighted.

4329
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:34,680
I made all kinds of notes. And so, these

4330
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:36,920
are comments, you know, that

4331
02:43:36,920 --> 02:43:39,440
came from my concerns after reading the

4332
02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:41,040
agreement.

4333
02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:43,280
So, I don't want to be shut down. I'm

4334
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:44,760
concerned with the length of

4335
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:46,800
>> Just just for a second, nobody's been

4336
02:43:46,800 --> 02:43:49,040
shut down in this meeting whatsoever.

4337
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:51,000
>> Okay. No, I I agree. I agree. Not in

4338
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:51,720
this meeting. I agree.

4339
02:43:51,720 --> 02:43:52,280
>> Thank you.

4340
02:43:52,280 --> 02:43:53,040
>> Okay.

4341
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:54,720
So, I'm concerned with the length of the

4342
02:43:54,720 --> 02:43:57,560
contract. I'm concerned with the cost of

4343
02:43:57,560 --> 02:43:59,480
the contract. I'm concerned with the

4344
02:43:59,480 --> 02:44:02,160
employee resources. Specifically, when I

4345
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:03,640
read through these things, it talks a

4346
02:44:03,640 --> 02:44:06,200
lot about things like data collection.

4347
02:44:06,200 --> 02:44:07,480
Um,

4348
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:09,000
and so I assume we're going to be

4349
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:11,080
absorbing not only we obviously have

4350
02:44:11,080 --> 02:44:13,240
Melissa on track. She's she's I would

4351
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:15,480
assume doing a ton of work on this, but

4352
02:44:15,480 --> 02:44:18,080
then you're also incorporating IT.

4353
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:20,280
Steven's office has been doing a ton of

4354
02:44:20,280 --> 02:44:21,960
work. So, the reality is it's bleeding

4355
02:44:21,960 --> 02:44:24,320
over into these other county

4356
02:44:24,320 --> 02:44:27,120
departments. Um, I'm concerned when I

4357
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:29,480
read in here things like change orders.

4358
02:44:29,480 --> 02:44:31,560
To me, change orders, I know a quite a

4359
02:44:31,560 --> 02:44:34,480
bit about contracting. Um, change orders

4360
02:44:34,480 --> 02:44:36,760
means money. And that's concerning to

4361
02:44:36,760 --> 02:44:40,240
me. So, you know, especially when we are

4362
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:42,920
going beyond extending ourselves with

4363
02:44:42,920 --> 02:44:45,640
just the original 500 grand, it concerns

4364
02:44:45,640 --> 02:44:47,680
me to see things like that. I'm

4365
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:50,040
concerned with the liability um to the

4366
02:44:50,040 --> 02:44:51,400
county.

4367
02:44:51,400 --> 02:44:53,760
Inevitably, do we really know and I I

4368
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:55,160
know we're going to talk about Via here

4369
02:44:55,160 --> 02:44:57,240
in a moment, but we do Do we really know

4370
02:44:57,240 --> 02:44:59,920
the solvency of that shuttle company and

4371
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:01,560
the liability I would assume will be

4372
02:45:01,560 --> 02:45:04,320
absorbed mostly from that contractor,

4373
02:45:04,320 --> 02:45:06,040
but at a certain point when they go

4374
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:08,320
bankrupt, who are they coming after? I

4375
02:45:08,320 --> 02:45:10,240
would assume it's the county.

4376
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:12,520
Um I'm concerned about logistics. You

4377
02:45:12,520 --> 02:45:14,080
know, I understand we're just talking

4378
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:17,000
about the agreement here, but it it

4379
02:45:17,000 --> 02:45:18,760
it's, you know, the things that come to

4380
02:45:18,760 --> 02:45:20,240
mind are just the logistics. So,

4381
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:21,520
hopefully at some point we'll be

4382
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:24,480
apprised of that. I'm concerned within

4383
02:45:24,480 --> 02:45:26,840
this contract we had no touch point at

4384
02:45:26,840 --> 02:45:30,680
the county level who is in charge. Um

4385
02:45:30,680 --> 02:45:34,520
I I assume maybe Mark and and chair the

4386
02:45:34,520 --> 02:45:37,440
chair. Um

4387
02:45:37,440 --> 02:45:40,480
That's concerning to me. I'm concerned

4388
02:45:40,480 --> 02:45:43,680
with the safety of this system

4389
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:45,800
and and what will happen if we, you

4390
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:47,440
know, put

4391
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:49,640
tourists at risk.

4392
02:45:49,640 --> 02:45:51,720
Um

4393
02:45:51,720 --> 02:45:53,800
Yeah. So, I'll stick to that. I had some

4394
02:45:53,800 --> 02:45:55,680
other things that were beyond the scope

4395
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:59,520
of this agreement, but this agreement

4396
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:03,040
I did a lot of I I I spent a lot of time

4397
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:05,160
reading through it and it brought up a

4398
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:09,720
lot a lot a lot of concerns for me. And

4399
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:12,320
I guess I'll just stick to that. I'm I'm

4400
02:46:12,320 --> 02:46:14,760
Yeah. That's Yeah. Okay. I'll come back

4401
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:17,760
to it maybe when we talk fund 47.

4402
02:46:17,760 --> 02:46:22,990
>> All right. Thank you. Um

4403
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:24,440
We have a motion by Commissioner

4404
02:46:24,440 --> 02:46:26,600
Martinez, second by Commissioner

4405
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:29,200
McCurdy. Am I correct? All right. With

4406
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:31,760
that I will call for a vote.

4407
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:35,430
Those in favor?

4408
02:46:35,440 --> 02:46:37,840
Those opposed?

4409
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:40,200
Passes with three opposed. Commissioner

4410
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:41,840
Hadean, Commissioner Hadler, and

4411
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:44,600
Commissioner McGann. We will move on to

4412
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:46,400
number 14.

4413
02:46:46,400 --> 02:46:49,040
Grand County and VM Moab to Arches

4414
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:51,720
Shuttle Service Agreement. Mr. Martinez

4415
02:46:51,720 --> 02:46:54,200
again.

4416
02:46:54,200 --> 02:46:55,320
>> Mr. Cox, do you have something that

4417
02:46:55,320 --> 02:46:56,080
you're talking

4418
02:46:56,080 --> 02:46:57,920
>> I was just going to note

4419
02:46:57,920 --> 02:46:59,560
So, I reviewed the document. I sent it

4420
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:02,600
to everybody. I think at like 3:30.

4421
02:47:02,600 --> 02:47:04,240
It has my redlines on it. I don't know

4422
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,200
if the commission's inclined to take a a

4423
02:47:06,200 --> 02:47:07,920
recess. We've been going at it for a

4424
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:10,320
second to read it cuz I have my notes on

4425
02:47:10,320 --> 02:47:11,240
it.

4426
02:47:11,240 --> 02:47:12,440
Do whatever you want. I can answer

4427
02:47:12,440 --> 02:47:13,920
questions on the fly, but I'm just

4428
02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:15,960
noting you guys have that in your inbox

4429
02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:17,480
and that does have my markups and edits

4430
02:47:17,480 --> 02:47:19,000
on it. So, I'm just noting that is

4431
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:21,000
something that I have in my head.

4432
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:21,600
>> Sure.

4433
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:22,720
>> Uh

4434
02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:25,280
I I one of your ads in number seven

4435
02:47:25,280 --> 02:47:27,680
ownership rights and product and data.

4436
02:47:27,680 --> 02:47:28,080
>> Yep.

4437
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:30,240
>> Uh I wanted to tell you thank you for

4438
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:36,000
putting that in there. Uh last time some of our work product on

4439
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,680
with other companies wasn't our

4440
02:47:38,680 --> 02:47:40,400
uh within our within Grand County's

4441
02:47:40,400 --> 02:47:42,200
ownership and that [clears throat] is a

4442
02:47:42,200 --> 02:47:45,920
that is a vital part to me that's this data is

4443
02:47:45,920 --> 02:47:48,480
within Grand County's ownership. So,

4444
02:47:48,480 --> 02:47:49,640
I want to tell you thank you for adding

4445
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:51,080
that.

4446
02:47:51,080 --> 02:47:52,360
>> Has that actually been added or is that

4447
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:53,400
just a comment?

4448
02:47:53,400 --> 02:47:54,920
>> That was a comment made on his.

4449
02:47:54,920 --> 02:47:56,320
>> So, it hasn't actually been

4450
02:47:56,320 --> 02:47:56,960
>> Are we

4451
02:47:56,960 --> 02:47:57,520
>> I don't know.

4452
02:47:57,520 --> 02:47:58,920
>> I'm I'm just asking are we are do we

4453
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:01,000
does folks need a recess?

4454
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:01,720
>> I haven't read it.

4455
02:48:01,720 --> 02:48:03,400
>> I I I haven't read it. [laughter]

4456
02:48:03,400 --> 02:48:04,800
>> I did. I was here at 2:30.

4457
02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:06,720
>> At 3:30?

4458
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:07,280
>> I did.

4459
02:48:07,280 --> 02:48:09,920
>> So, um can we do a 10-minute recess

4460
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:13,240
then? 6:45, come back at 6:55. That'll

4461
02:48:13,240 --> 02:48:16,480
give you a time to peruse through that.

4462
02:48:16,480 --> 02:48:17,280
>> I I

4463
02:48:17,280 --> 02:48:18,760
>> All right. With that, I'll call for a

4464
02:48:18,760 --> 02:48:36,870
recess. We'll reconvene at 6:55.

4465
02:48:36,880 --> 02:48:38,160
» It's 10 minutes.

4466
02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:39,960
>> Melody, I'm just going to mute us for

4467
02:48:39,960 --> 02:48:43,280
the recess. Uh I'll leave the YouTube

4468
02:48:43,280 --> 02:48:45,520
and video and do them on.

4469
02:48:45,520 --> 02:52:34,910
>> Sounds good.

4470
02:52:34,920 --> 02:56:56,510
» Mhm.

4471
02:56:56,520 --> 02:56:57,640
» All right, Melody, we're back. Can you

4472
02:56:57,640 --> 02:57:00,710
hear us?

4473
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:03,160
» Yes.

4474
02:57:03,160 --> 02:57:04,040
>> Oh, we still have light.

4475
02:57:04,040 --> 02:57:06,470
>> Okay.

4476
02:57:06,480 --> 02:57:08,680
» We're good then. Once All right, with

4477
02:57:08,680 --> 02:57:13,440
that, we will come back from recess to

4478
02:57:13,440 --> 02:57:17,200
start back up on item number four.

4479
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:19,160
I'm having 14.

4480
02:57:19,160 --> 02:57:20,160
>> Number 14.

4481
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:22,920
>> Thank you. Number 14, and having read

4482
02:57:22,920 --> 02:57:25,080
through these, I wonder if we don't want

4483
02:57:25,080 --> 02:57:27,720
to start some discussion here

4484
02:57:27,720 --> 02:57:30,600
on the possibility of holding a special

4485
02:57:30,600 --> 02:57:34,320
meeting because this is um

4486
02:57:34,320 --> 02:57:35,440
I don't know.

4487
02:57:35,440 --> 02:57:37,000
Um I'm open to thoughts from other

4488
02:57:37,000 --> 02:57:38,680
commissioners if you think this is

4489
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:40,800
necessary. Chris, I see your hand, and

4490
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:42,600
I'll call on you when I'm ready for your

4491
02:57:42,600 --> 02:57:44,840
comment. It's almost rude that you just

4492
02:57:44,840 --> 02:57:47,160
interrupt people regularly.

4493
02:57:47,160 --> 02:57:49,280
But I think we all as commissioners

4494
02:57:49,280 --> 02:57:50,960
should discuss what we want to do here

4495
02:57:50,960 --> 02:57:52,360
and see if there's a path forward

4496
02:57:52,360 --> 02:57:54,480
tonight or if we want to call a special

4497
02:57:54,480 --> 02:57:57,800
meeting because there's clearly time is

4498
02:57:57,800 --> 02:58:00,880
of the essence on this, and so I think

4499
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:02,920
that it would be wise to hear some of

4500
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:04,680
this out.

4501
02:58:04,680 --> 02:58:06,160
Commissioner Hedin.

4502
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:07,440
>> That's what I was going to do, Bill. I

4503
02:58:07,440 --> 02:58:09,400
was going to make a motion to postpone

4504
02:58:09,400 --> 02:58:12,160
this item, and if I understand you guys

4505
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:13,960
are under some

4506
02:58:13,960 --> 02:58:16,360
timeline to get it done,

4507
02:58:16,360 --> 02:58:18,000
I'd be more than willing to come to a

4508
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:19,240
special meeting.

4509
02:58:19,240 --> 02:58:20,960
But I would recommend that we postpone

4510
02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:23,400
this item. It's it's unacceptable to

4511
02:58:23,400 --> 02:58:23,960
give us

4512
02:58:23,960 --> 02:58:25,280
>> Is that a motion then?

4513
02:58:25,280 --> 02:58:25,880
>> Yeah, that is a motion.

4514
02:58:25,880 --> 02:58:28,000
>> I can motion. Thank you.

4515
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:29,800
And then do we have a second?

4516
02:58:29,800 --> 02:58:31,840
>> Should we not vote on that part of it?

4517
02:58:31,840 --> 02:58:33,360
>> Okay, vote on it.

4518
02:58:33,360 --> 02:58:35,400
>> Not on this one. We're voting on the one

4519
02:58:35,400 --> 02:58:36,040
guy

4520
02:58:36,040 --> 02:58:36,800
>> Postpone.

4521
02:58:36,800 --> 02:58:39,080
>> With Oh, we did the NPS now. Okay, okay.

4522
02:58:39,080 --> 02:58:43,150
>> Now we're on to the

4523
02:58:43,160 --> 02:58:45,040
Further thought, we've got a motion and

4524
02:58:45,040 --> 02:58:47,760
a second, Commissioner Martinez.

4525
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:49,320
>> Well, at first I'd like to check with

4526
02:58:49,320 --> 02:58:51,240
the Mr. Stocks right now and find out

4527
02:58:51,240 --> 02:58:52,680
kind of like what his timeline looks

4528
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:54,760
like and what he thinks he's seeing

4529
02:58:54,760 --> 02:58:56,560
where we're at with this. But I love to

4530
02:58:56,560 --> 02:58:58,400
see the contract myself. It looks like

4531
02:58:58,400 --> 02:59:00,800
it actually It looks like a lot inside

4532
02:59:00,800 --> 02:59:02,400
there, but what it really comes down to

4533
02:59:02,400 --> 02:59:06,840
is really just two items inside of this document right now. One

4534
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:08,440
is the

4535
02:59:08,440 --> 02:59:10,080
identification

4536
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:11,720
that Commissioner Hedden had mentioned

4537
02:59:11,720 --> 02:59:12,800
earlier.

4538
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:14,560
So she she like she was already apprised

4539
02:59:14,560 --> 02:59:17,040
of that. And then second is the cost

4540
02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:19,080
structure that's inside there. Those two

4541
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:21,200
those things like the two big major

4542
02:59:21,200 --> 02:59:23,120
changes. Other than that, a lot of it

4543
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:25,400
was just kind of in sync.

4544
02:59:25,400 --> 02:59:27,000
substitute

4545
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:28,640
a couple

4546
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:30,440
>> bit of information. So

4547
02:59:30,440 --> 02:59:34,120
Commissioner McFarland, Ms. Jeffers and

4548
02:59:34,120 --> 02:59:37,120
I talked up until about 3:30, 3:00. I

4549
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:38,360
didn't get to talk to any of any of you

4550
02:59:38,360 --> 02:59:40,880
guys about any of this. I didn't send it

4551
02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:43,080
out and email to anybody.

4552
02:59:43,080 --> 02:59:46,440
Um before more of myself,

4553
02:59:46,440 --> 02:59:47,960
Ms. Jeffers also discussed best path

4554
02:59:47,960 --> 02:59:50,680
forward. We talked about three paths,

4555
02:59:50,680 --> 02:59:52,840
three different options. Option one,

4556
02:59:52,840 --> 02:59:54,520
review the whole thing in a meeting

4557
02:59:54,520 --> 02:59:56,720
tonight, go through each item, kind of

4558
02:59:56,720 --> 02:59:58,480
talk about them. These are my

4559
02:59:58,480 --> 03:00:00,200
suggestions. We haven't gone through

4560
03:00:00,200 --> 03:00:01,840
them in detail with VIA. We had a

4561
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:03,880
meeting with VIA yesterday. They got

4562
03:00:03,880 --> 03:00:05,880
back to us with their copy. I think at

4563
03:00:05,880 --> 03:00:07,920
8:00 or 9:00 at night. I didn't get to

4564
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:10,080
review it until today after I got out of

4565
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:12,000
court. I had to cover for early morning

4566
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:14,920
130. Uh so, option one is go through

4567
03:00:14,920 --> 03:00:17,560
tonight, look at it, move it off. Option

4568
03:00:17,560 --> 03:00:18,560
two,

4569
03:00:18,560 --> 03:00:20,320
creating a subcommittee, moving

4570
03:00:20,320 --> 03:00:22,680
commissioners to sit on it with myself,

4571
03:00:22,680 --> 03:00:24,800
Jeffers, maybe Mark, go through these

4572
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:25,920
items,

4573
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:27,880
send it out, and have you guys approve

4574
03:00:27,880 --> 03:00:29,440
it. Um

4575
03:00:29,440 --> 03:00:32,040
we had language drafted for a potential

4576
03:00:32,040 --> 03:00:33,320
motion

4577
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:35,040
for item number

4578
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:37,880
Um option number three, continue it, set

4579
03:00:37,880 --> 03:00:40,360
it for a different meeting, uh and and

4580
03:00:40,360 --> 03:00:42,520
go through it there. I I don't mind

4581
03:00:42,520 --> 03:00:44,160
which option you guys go through, your

4582
03:00:44,160 --> 03:00:46,680
path forward, your road map for this.

4583
03:00:46,680 --> 03:00:48,360
I need input from you guys or from the

4584
03:00:48,360 --> 03:00:49,760
commissioners to how you guys want to do

4585
03:00:49,760 --> 03:00:50,760
that.

4586
03:00:50,760 --> 03:00:52,400
Give me a stance on some of these items.

4587
03:00:52,400 --> 03:00:54,960
I take those, we go to VIA, VIA confirms

4588
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:57,760
them, uh and then they come back and we

4589
03:00:57,760 --> 03:00:59,840
have final terms. That could be done in

4590
03:00:59,840 --> 03:01:02,120
a week. Some of the things that I've put

4591
03:01:02,120 --> 03:01:03,920
in here that I really don't like, they

4592
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:06,560
have these weird terms like intent to

4593
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:08,640
proceed that they want 4 weeks ahead of

4594
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:11,440
time to tell us that we want to proceed.

4595
03:01:11,440 --> 03:01:13,040
I mean, of course they should know that

4596
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:14,560
we would like to proceed. So, some of

4597
03:01:14,560 --> 03:01:15,960
those things are kind of ticky-tacky. I

4598
03:01:15,960 --> 03:01:16,640
don't think there's going to be

4599
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:18,560
objection on those items. Other items,

4600
03:01:18,560 --> 03:01:20,440
again, like on the last contract, I know

4601
03:01:20,440 --> 03:01:23,360
everything could have been different. Um

4602
03:01:23,360 --> 03:01:24,960
and then some clarifying information.

4603
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:27,120
Some of the bigger things, if you go all

4604
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:30,000
the way down to the last

4605
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:33,200
page 23, one thing I don't and and this

4606
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:34,600
you'll want to pull this up if you have

4607
03:01:34,600 --> 03:01:35,680
it.

4608
03:01:35,680 --> 03:01:38,360
Item number 20 or page number 23, some

4609
03:01:38,360 --> 03:01:39,400
of the things that give me the most

4610
03:01:39,400 --> 03:01:42,760
heartburn is I cannot tell you guys what

4611
03:01:42,760 --> 03:01:45,360
project management and other operations

4612
03:01:45,360 --> 03:01:47,640
is by only looking at this document. And

4613
03:01:47,640 --> 03:01:50,160
that's a $1.1 million expenditure.

4614
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:51,840
I need additional information to merge

4615
03:01:51,840 --> 03:01:54,080
this document and this information with

4616
03:01:54,080 --> 03:01:55,120
some of the things that they submitted

4617
03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:57,160
in their RFP. As Jeffers indicates to me

4618
03:01:57,160 --> 03:01:58,440
that there is additional information in

4619
03:01:58,440 --> 03:02:00,760
the RFP. Normally, we don't like to have

4620
03:02:00,760 --> 03:02:02,640
the contract merged with the original

4621
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,280
RFP documents because they might have

4622
03:02:04,280 --> 03:02:05,920
additional terms in there that are

4623
03:02:05,920 --> 03:02:07,320
combined in it that it kind of

4624
03:02:07,320 --> 03:02:10,200
undermined this ICA. So, there are some

4625
03:02:10,200 --> 03:02:12,640
things in here that are policy position

4626
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:13,880
standpoints. There's additional

4627
03:02:13,880 --> 03:02:15,560
information. That's what I'm trying to

4628
03:02:15,560 --> 03:02:17,120
provide to you guys as much information

4629
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:19,120
as possible. Now, Commissioners Martinez

4630
03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:21,440
Winfield and McCandless, you guys all

4631
03:02:21,440 --> 03:02:22,800
have more information because you guys

4632
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:24,920
have have talked about this process and

4633
03:02:24,920 --> 03:02:26,080
have been more involved. Obviously,

4634
03:02:26,080 --> 03:02:27,120
because you're the subcommittee that's

4635
03:02:27,120 --> 03:02:30,120
on this. So, some of these things may be

4636
03:02:30,120 --> 03:02:31,600
normal to you and you guys may know

4637
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:33,440
exactly what's going on. But, when we're

4638
03:02:33,440 --> 03:02:34,720
looking at a contract, we're only

4639
03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:36,080
restricted to the pages of the

4640
03:02:36,080 --> 03:02:38,840
contracts. And so, that provides the

4641
03:02:38,840 --> 03:02:41,040
other commissioners limited information.

4642
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:42,280
And so, that's what I'm trying to give

4643
03:02:42,280 --> 03:02:44,280
you guys as much information as I can.

4644
03:02:44,280 --> 03:02:45,880
Um so, those are your three pass

4645
03:02:45,880 --> 03:02:47,080
forward, three different options.

4646
03:02:47,080 --> 03:02:48,040
However you guys want to proceed, I'm

4647
03:02:48,040 --> 03:02:49,440
happy to work through. Otherwise,

4648
03:02:49,440 --> 03:02:52,080
special meeting, I'm gone Friday and

4649
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:54,040
Thursday afternoon on a on a camping

4650
03:02:54,040 --> 03:02:55,840
trip. Apart from that, I get back on

4651
03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:57,640
Sunday. I'm here all next week. So, I'm

4652
03:02:57,640 --> 03:02:59,200
happy to whatever you guys have for your

4653
03:02:59,200 --> 03:03:00,480
schedule, I'm happy to work through it.

4654
03:03:00,480 --> 03:03:02,600
I put as much time as I could into this

4655
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:05,240
with uh Commissioner McCandless and Ms.

4656
03:03:05,240 --> 03:03:07,240
Jeffers. It was just we we just have a

4657
03:03:07,240 --> 03:03:09,800
lot of obligations.

4658
03:03:09,800 --> 03:03:13,120
>> And And that satisfy Martinez?

4659
03:03:13,120 --> 03:03:14,880
>> Um that really I mean I I mean I I

4660
03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:16,320
understand that the pass forward, but

4661
03:03:16,320 --> 03:03:19,320
really what I'm looking for is the uh

4662
03:03:19,320 --> 03:03:20,760
the time that it would require for you

4663
03:03:20,760 --> 03:03:22,280
to go back there you think that you're

4664
03:03:22,280 --> 03:03:24,360
going to have to going back with me uh

4665
03:03:24,360 --> 03:03:25,960
back and forth to come up with something

4666
03:03:25,960 --> 03:03:27,360
that's through that's all the way

4667
03:03:27,360 --> 03:03:28,240
through.

4668
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:30,720
>> If I'm them, I'm receiving a contract

4669
03:03:30,720 --> 03:03:33,360
for $1.86 million dollars

4670
03:03:33,360 --> 03:03:35,640
or sorry, $2.86 million dollars.

4671
03:03:35,640 --> 03:03:37,680
There is no reason that they should not

4672
03:03:37,680 --> 03:03:39,680
get done in a week. They They should be

4673
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:42,160
very incentivized to work with the

4674
03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:43,440
county with the obligations that the

4675
03:03:43,440 --> 03:03:45,440
county wants to impose to resolve this.

4676
03:03:45,440 --> 03:03:47,480
Think you could do it in a week? Um I

4677
03:03:47,480 --> 03:03:48,720
think you could do it in the last if I

4678
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:51,200
was if I wasn't out of town. But, if you

4679
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:52,840
set a special meeting, the thing I need

4680
03:03:52,840 --> 03:03:54,560
is I need

4681
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:57,480
commissioners either in this context or

4682
03:03:57,480 --> 03:03:59,440
on a one-on-one or on a subcommittee

4683
03:03:59,440 --> 03:04:01,560
context to talk me through some of these

4684
03:04:01,560 --> 03:04:03,440
items cuz you may say, and this is your

4685
03:04:03,440 --> 03:04:04,680
guys' right, and I don't know if I

4686
03:04:04,680 --> 03:04:06,360
always make this clear, you guys can

4687
03:04:06,360 --> 03:04:07,920
disagree with me. I can say, "Hey, big

4688
03:04:07,920 --> 03:04:09,840
concern on this item." You guys can say,

4689
03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:11,320
"Thank you. We understand the concern.

4690
03:04:11,320 --> 03:04:12,720
We're going to move forward anyways."

4691
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:14,720
So, I I just need for you guys to be

4692
03:04:14,720 --> 03:04:16,240
informed about the decision on this

4693
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:18,480
item. That's what I'm looking for. I

4694
03:04:18,480 --> 03:04:20,320
That's why I gave it to you guys with

4695
03:04:20,320 --> 03:04:22,920
all my notes. So, I think you can do it

4696
03:04:22,920 --> 03:04:24,640
in a week. You can do it shorter. Again,

4697
03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:26,040
you could approve it tonight. Read

4698
03:04:26,040 --> 03:04:27,160
through the edits. That's why I wanted

4699
03:04:27,160 --> 03:04:28,520
you to take a moment to read through

4700
03:04:28,520 --> 03:04:29,680
them.

4701
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:31,320
It can be done that quick. BIA should be

4702
03:04:31,320 --> 03:04:34,120
incentivized to get this done

4703
03:04:34,120 --> 03:04:34,960
quickly.

4704
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:37,880
>> Okay. Um I'm inclined to move through it

4705
03:04:37,880 --> 03:04:40,320
tonight. I'll go to Commissioner Hedden,

4706
03:04:40,320 --> 03:04:42,120
and then I know Commissioner McCandliss

4707
03:04:42,120 --> 03:04:45,630
has her hand up.

4708
03:04:45,640 --> 03:04:49,640
» I I I think we we can't lose sight that

4709
03:04:49,640 --> 03:04:52,800
we are representatives of citizens of

4710
03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:54,280
this community.

4711
03:04:54,280 --> 03:04:56,080
And I think maybe we're losing sight of

4712
03:04:56,080 --> 03:04:58,160
that. That's It's It's a huge concern of

4713
03:04:58,160 --> 03:05:01,080
mine. So, that being said,

4714
03:05:01,080 --> 03:05:04,240
I would ask that we postpone this.

4715
03:05:04,240 --> 03:05:08,440
I'll be postponing it until next week if Steven's saying

4716
03:05:08,440 --> 03:05:10,760
a week-ish, we should be done. And in

4717
03:05:10,760 --> 03:05:13,480
that time, it will also give citizens

4718
03:05:13,480 --> 03:05:15,560
time. Hopefully, we'll post the agenda

4719
03:05:15,560 --> 03:05:18,040
and that item in a timely manner that

4720
03:05:18,040 --> 03:05:20,280
citizens can go through it and also make

4721
03:05:20,280 --> 03:05:22,800
comments to us. I mean, I know with

4722
03:05:22,800 --> 03:05:26,320
myself, I've lately been spending about

4723
03:05:26,320 --> 03:05:27,880
two or three hours a day talking to

4724
03:05:27,880 --> 03:05:30,710
citizens.

4725
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:31,840
Literally.

4726
03:05:31,840 --> 03:05:37,280
And that's my job. That's my job is to listen to people, to try to educate

4727
03:05:37,280 --> 03:05:39,160
people, but also to to bring their

4728
03:05:39,160 --> 03:05:43,040
concerns to this dias, as we call it.

4729
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:45,240
So, I would recommend I did not see

4730
03:05:45,240 --> 03:05:47,200
this. I know nothing about this. I know

4731
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:48,880
it sounded like I knew something about

4732
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:50,840
the liability, but I didn't. I was just

4733
03:05:50,840 --> 03:05:53,240
hypothesizing, like, what if? I knew

4734
03:05:53,240 --> 03:05:54,840
nothing about this contract. This is the

4735
03:05:54,840 --> 03:05:57,400
first time I opened it. It's what Oh, I

4736
03:05:57,400 --> 03:05:59,440
was getting a cup of coffee and coming

4737
03:05:59,440 --> 03:06:00,840
here at 3:30.

4738
03:06:00,840 --> 03:06:04,080
And so, I just think good governance

4739
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:06,760
entails giving everybody on this

4740
03:06:06,760 --> 03:06:08,560
commission time to go over this

4741
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:11,440
contract. It's a $2.6 million contract.

4742
03:06:11,440 --> 03:06:13,680
This is a huge spend.

4743
03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:17,040
Of again, it's an a commission and a a

4744
03:06:17,040 --> 03:06:19,000
citizen pointed this out. When I look at

4745
03:06:19,000 --> 03:06:21,040
my paystub,

4746
03:06:21,040 --> 03:06:23,280
I've got local taxes,

4747
03:06:23,280 --> 03:06:25,240
state taxes, and federal taxes. I'm

4748
03:06:25,240 --> 03:06:26,960
paying for this on three levels and I

4749
03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:28,680
would completely agree with that citizen

4750
03:06:28,680 --> 03:06:30,840
comment. So, that being said because I I

4751
03:06:30,840 --> 03:06:32,120
love how people go, "Oh, it's federal

4752
03:06:32,120 --> 03:06:33,480
money. Doesn't matter." It's like, "No,

4753
03:06:33,480 --> 03:06:36,960
I pay I pay a lot of federal taxes."

4754
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:39,720
I I just I think we need to return to

4755
03:06:39,720 --> 03:06:42,440
good governance and processes where

4756
03:06:42,440 --> 03:06:44,200
everybody has a chance to look over

4757
03:06:44,200 --> 03:06:45,920
these things carefully. And I think if

4758
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:48,720
you get to that, you're going to have

4759
03:06:48,720 --> 03:06:52,280
more support for your initiatives.

4760
03:06:52,280 --> 03:06:54,640
And so, I would ask

4761
03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:56,880
going to plead that this is postponed.

4762
03:06:56,880 --> 03:06:59,600
Not only for ourselves, but for the

4763
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:02,000
people that we represent.

4764
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:05,230
>> Commissioner McCandless.

4765
03:07:05,240 --> 03:07:09,160
» I just want to say because obviously, I do have the information because I've

4766
03:07:09,160 --> 03:07:10,600
been on every single subcommittee

4767
03:07:10,600 --> 03:07:11,840
meeting and I've been on all the

4768
03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:14,640
meetings with Via and and Steven, but

4769
03:07:14,640 --> 03:07:15,720
you know, they've been really great to

4770
03:07:15,720 --> 03:07:17,600
work with. They I think they're they're

4771
03:07:17,600 --> 03:07:19,560
easily of course

4772
03:07:19,560 --> 03:07:21,560
easily willing to make the changes that

4773
03:07:21,560 --> 03:07:23,560
we needed. We just ran out of time.

4774
03:07:23,560 --> 03:07:24,800
You know, that's the bottom line of it.

4775
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:26,240
It's not like trying to do anything

4776
03:07:26,240 --> 03:07:27,880
sneaky and if we need to do another

4777
03:07:27,880 --> 03:07:29,840
meeting, I'm gone all next week and I

4778
03:07:29,840 --> 03:07:32,720
won't be able to zoom in at all because

4779
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:35,200
I have work obligations next week. So, I

4780
03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:37,360
not just like today I'm at

4781
03:07:37,360 --> 03:07:40,040
a one the one summit in Cedar City. So,

4782
03:07:40,040 --> 03:07:41,760
I don't have a lot of free time. I would

4783
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:43,320
rather get it done tonight, but I

4784
03:07:43,320 --> 03:07:44,840
understand and I I understand what

4785
03:07:44,840 --> 03:07:46,560
Trisha's saying

4786
03:07:46,560 --> 03:07:48,880
as well. That's And and but they've been

4787
03:07:48,880 --> 03:07:49,960
great to work with. A lot of the

4788
03:07:49,960 --> 03:07:51,560
concerns, I mean, if you look at the way

4789
03:07:51,560 --> 03:07:53,880
that our the Moab area transit is

4790
03:07:53,880 --> 03:07:55,280
running, that this is the exact same

4791
03:07:55,280 --> 03:07:58,200
company. So, the concerns that

4792
03:07:58,200 --> 03:08:00,600
are have been raised, I I feel like

4793
03:08:00,600 --> 03:08:01,920
those are alleviated when we went

4794
03:08:01,920 --> 03:08:04,240
through the the proposals. You guys all

4795
03:08:04,240 --> 03:08:05,960
had copies of the proposals, if you read

4796
03:08:05,960 --> 03:08:08,520
them or not. Um so, you would have saw

4797
03:08:08,520 --> 03:08:10,840
that Via was the the one that that made

4798
03:08:10,840 --> 03:08:12,120
the most sense that because that they're

4799
03:08:12,120 --> 03:08:14,120
capable to do all the things that you

4800
03:08:14,120 --> 03:08:17,240
guys were concerned about in the CMA.

4801
03:08:17,240 --> 03:08:18,640
I know you haven't read this one, you

4802
03:08:18,640 --> 03:08:20,600
know, but this is their big company.

4803
03:08:20,600 --> 03:08:23,320
They do this all across the nation. They

4804
03:08:23,320 --> 03:08:25,760
do this for

4805
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:27,760
um other national parks. So, it's not

4806
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:29,240
like this is foreign to them. They know

4807
03:08:29,240 --> 03:08:31,280
what they're doing. And it's it we're

4808
03:08:31,280 --> 03:08:34,280
not just hiring some somebody that has

4809
03:08:34,280 --> 03:08:39,230
no experience at all doing this.

4810
03:08:39,240 --> 03:08:40,480
» Commissioner Martinez and then

4811
03:08:40,480 --> 03:08:41,760
Commissioner Hadler.

4812
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:42,600
>> I'd like to go ahead and make a

4813
03:08:42,600 --> 03:08:44,280
substitute

4814
03:08:44,280 --> 03:08:46,000
I'd actually like to make a a substitute

4815
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:48,760
motion. Okay. I move to approve the Moab

4816
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:50,600
Arches Shuttle Service Agreement with

4817
03:08:50,600 --> 03:08:52,560
Via. I move to appoint Commissioner

4818
03:08:52,560 --> 03:08:54,600
McCandless to approve changes,

4819
03:08:54,600 --> 03:08:57,280
modifications, and edits to the document

4820
03:08:57,280 --> 03:08:59,120
that conform with the overall goal of

4821
03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:01,840
establishing a a shuttle program not to

4822
03:09:01,840 --> 03:09:06,200
exceed 2.86 million aligned with CMA and

4823
03:09:06,200 --> 03:09:11,070
pending legal review.

4824
03:09:11,080 --> 03:09:13,160
» Motion I'd like to second motion by

4825
03:09:13,160 --> 03:09:15,200
Commissioner Martinez second by

4826
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:18,680
Commissioner McCourdy. Question.

4827
03:09:18,680 --> 03:09:20,640
>> On the question.

4828
03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:22,880
>> Is the pending legal review

4829
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:25,200
contingent upon Are you good with that

4830
03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:26,880
side? Not to mention,

4831
03:09:26,880 --> 03:09:28,920
is it contingent upon them signing it?

4832
03:09:28,920 --> 03:09:31,440
Is their legal review also?

4833
03:09:31,440 --> 03:09:33,680
>> Sure. I mean, yeah, we don't

4834
03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:35,240
>> I just want to make sure.

4835
03:09:35,240 --> 03:09:37,360
Um but no, yeah, definitely. So,

4836
03:09:37,360 --> 03:09:38,360
what

4837
03:09:38,360 --> 03:09:40,120
We had discussed this as a potential

4838
03:09:40,120 --> 03:09:42,280
motion for the commission. I'm fine with

4839
03:09:42,280 --> 03:09:44,960
this. Again, where I have to keep in my

4840
03:09:44,960 --> 03:09:47,120
realm, I need a commissioner or somebody

4841
03:09:47,120 --> 03:09:49,400
that's been approved by this body uh to

4842
03:09:49,400 --> 03:09:51,000
help me communicate cuz there are policy

4843
03:09:51,000 --> 03:09:53,480
decisions that I do not make. I just

4844
03:09:53,480 --> 03:09:55,560
note them in the contract.

4845
03:09:55,560 --> 03:09:58,400
So, is now Mel under this motion

4846
03:09:58,400 --> 03:10:00,360
consider that person? That's what the

4847
03:10:00,360 --> 03:10:01,880
information pertaining to that. Thank

4848
03:10:01,880 --> 03:10:02,720
you.

4849
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:04,600
More work for you.

4850
03:10:04,600 --> 03:10:06,360
Commissioner Hadler.

4851
03:10:06,360 --> 03:10:08,720
I I'm super uncomfortable with that. And

4852
03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:10,800
Melly's already said that she's she's so

4853
03:10:10,800 --> 03:10:12,720
buried she couldn't meet next week

4854
03:10:12,720 --> 03:10:15,600
anyway. But but regardless of that and I

4855
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:17,120
the first time I laid eyes on this is it

4856
03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:19,240
is 20 minutes ago and I got 10 minutes

4857
03:10:19,240 --> 03:10:22,160
to look at it. Um I don't think that's a

4858
03:10:22,160 --> 03:10:23,480
great way to do business. It's not a

4859
03:10:23,480 --> 03:10:26,320
great way to It's not a good look. Um

4860
03:10:26,320 --> 03:10:28,440
I'd be much more in favor of doing a

4861
03:10:28,440 --> 03:10:30,560
meeting at a future date. I'm happy to

4862
03:10:30,560 --> 03:10:31,960
clear my calendar and do it as soon as

4863
03:10:31,960 --> 03:10:35,440
possible. Um but it would be nice to to

4864
03:10:35,440 --> 03:10:39,480
take a longer look at this and and and

4865
03:10:39,480 --> 03:10:42,640
really contemplate it and um

4866
03:10:42,640 --> 03:10:45,240
Also, uh electric shock get a poor get a

4867
03:10:45,240 --> 03:10:48,480
poor people. So, I I wouldn't vote for

4868
03:10:48,480 --> 03:10:51,160
Brian's motion. I think a special

4869
03:10:51,160 --> 03:10:53,280
meeting would be

4870
03:10:53,280 --> 03:10:55,280
more preferable for my standpoint. We'll

4871
03:10:55,280 --> 03:10:55,960
vote.

4872
03:10:55,960 --> 03:10:57,960
Would there be And again, commission can

4873
03:10:57,960 --> 03:10:59,120
do whatever it wants. Would there be

4874
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:01,920
appetite with the understanding that um

4875
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:04,360
if you had commissioner maybe do a

4876
03:11:04,360 --> 03:11:06,560
three-person subcommittee and then

4877
03:11:06,560 --> 03:11:08,400
having that subcommittee have the

4878
03:11:08,400 --> 03:11:11,360
ability to finalize it? You might three

4879
03:11:11,360 --> 03:11:12,560
commissioners might have an easier

4880
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:14,760
schedule than seven commissioners. But

4881
03:11:14,760 --> 03:11:16,240
if there's positive representation on

4882
03:11:16,240 --> 03:11:17,920
that, I'm just trying to figure out how

4883
03:11:17,920 --> 03:11:19,760
to get this resolved.

4884
03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:21,160
Um if you guys are trying to get a

4885
03:11:21,160 --> 03:11:22,720
result cuz the other thing that has to

4886
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:24,440
happen is not only do we have to

4887
03:11:24,440 --> 03:11:26,240
finalize it with the county sportsman.

4888
03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:27,800
We have to share that with BIA and then

4889
03:11:27,800 --> 03:11:29,360
we have to execute the contract. And the

4890
03:11:29,360 --> 03:11:31,120
proposed start date would be September

4891
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:34,160
1st on the contract. So, if

4892
03:11:34,160 --> 03:11:36,160
I'm just noting that

4893
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:40,360
for consideration. What what kind of um

4894
03:11:40,360 --> 03:11:42,480
So, so

4895
03:11:42,480 --> 03:11:44,040
if there's a three-person subcommittee,

4896
03:11:44,040 --> 03:11:46,280
what are we what what kind of

4897
03:11:46,280 --> 03:11:48,640
time period obligation we talking?

4898
03:11:48,640 --> 03:11:50,840
>> That's that's a that's a you guys

4899
03:11:50,840 --> 03:11:54,280
it's a commission decision, but what I'm perceiving is if Commissioner

4900
03:11:54,280 --> 03:11:56,120
McCammon is not available, if you guys

4901
03:11:56,120 --> 03:11:57,560
had a three-person commission that had

4902
03:11:57,560 --> 03:11:59,000
the authorization to go through the

4903
03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:01,120
contract with the attorney's office to

4904
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:03,400
review conditions and terms, perhaps you

4905
03:12:03,400 --> 03:12:05,720
guys could could come to an agreement on

4906
03:12:05,720 --> 03:12:07,600
a portion of that as opposed to trying

4907
03:12:07,600 --> 03:12:09,080
to schedule a meeting next week. I'm

4908
03:12:09,080 --> 03:12:10,480
providing it alternative alternative

4909
03:12:10,480 --> 03:12:11,960
option. I don't care what the commission

4910
03:12:11,960 --> 03:12:13,280
does. We can do it tonight, we can do it

4911
03:12:13,280 --> 03:12:14,960
different night.

4912
03:12:14,960 --> 03:12:19,350
But, I'm just trying to think out loud.

4913
03:12:19,360 --> 03:12:22,640
» All right. Um with that, I would say

4914
03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:25,000
that I think it would be fine to leave

4915
03:12:25,000 --> 03:12:27,200
that up to Commissioner McCammon. I

4916
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:29,080
mean, she can pull in Commissioner

4917
03:12:29,080 --> 03:12:31,360
Hadler and Commissioner Martinez or

4918
03:12:31,360 --> 03:12:33,480
myself, whoever she likes to help move

4919
03:12:33,480 --> 03:12:35,000
this forward.

4920
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:37,800
I'm going to call for a vote on the

4921
03:12:37,800 --> 03:12:40,240
substitute motion by Commissioner

4922
03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:43,080
Martinez. Um seconded by Commissioner

4923
03:12:43,080 --> 03:12:47,430
McCurdy. Those in favor?

4924
03:12:47,440 --> 03:12:49,840
Those opposed?

4925
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:52,080
The motion passes with Commissioner

4926
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:53,680
Hadine, Commissioner Hadler, and

4927
03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:57,040
Commissioner McGann opposed.

4928
03:12:57,040 --> 03:13:00,680
And we will move on to item number 15,

4929
03:13:00,680 --> 03:13:03,809
consideration of 500k from

4930
03:13:03,809 --> 03:13:05,960
[clears throat] the transit tax in fund

4931
03:13:05,960 --> 03:13:07,560
47

4932
03:13:07,560 --> 03:13:10,040
reserves for the use on the Moab to

4933
03:13:10,040 --> 03:13:12,080
Arches shuttle.

4934
03:13:12,080 --> 03:13:14,400
And I'm the one that put this on here. I

4935
03:13:14,400 --> 03:13:18,310
do believe that

4936
03:13:18,320 --> 03:13:19,480
» Oh, oh, I just wanted to go back to the

4937
03:13:19,480 --> 03:13:22,240
last last um item for a second if that's

4938
03:13:22,240 --> 03:13:22,920
all right with you.

4939
03:13:22,920 --> 03:13:23,560
>> Sure.

4940
03:13:23,560 --> 03:13:27,360
>> I just wanted a little clarification on Brian's um

4941
03:13:27,360 --> 03:13:29,920
motion and just let's So, next steps

4942
03:13:29,920 --> 03:13:31,600
just so everybody knows cuz it was still

4943
03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:33,080
a little bit unclear to me. What what

4944
03:13:33,080 --> 03:13:34,360
are we looking at now?

4945
03:13:34,360 --> 03:13:37,520
>> So, the the next steps would be um I've

4946
03:13:37,520 --> 03:13:39,320
got the markups and the edits. Uh

4947
03:13:39,320 --> 03:13:40,360
Commissioner McCandless would be the

4948
03:13:40,360 --> 03:13:42,160
representative of the commission. She'd

4949
03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:44,480
present the position of the client for

4950
03:13:44,480 --> 03:13:46,200
me. We'd go through the edits and the

4951
03:13:46,200 --> 03:13:47,440
markups

4952
03:13:47,440 --> 03:13:49,360
and make

4953
03:13:49,360 --> 03:13:50,880
any adjustments that are necessary on

4954
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:53,120
the contract using her input provided to

4955
03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:55,320
me. And I I'd go through and make

4956
03:13:55,320 --> 03:13:56,720
changes on the contract, communicate

4957
03:13:56,720 --> 03:13:58,440
with VIA with Commissioner McCandless

4958
03:13:58,440 --> 03:14:00,160
and I would assume with Jeffers and then

4959
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:01,640
they would finalize it and we would

4960
03:14:01,640 --> 03:14:04,520
execute it and likely ratify it. Likely

4961
03:14:04,520 --> 03:14:06,040
have the chair sign it, but it would

4962
03:14:06,040 --> 03:14:07,720
likely be at a future consent agenda

4963
03:14:07,720 --> 03:14:10,040
item after ratification.

4964
03:14:10,040 --> 03:14:12,280
>> So it it it basically would come back to

4965
03:14:12,280 --> 03:14:13,640
us.

4966
03:14:13,640 --> 03:14:14,400
>> No.

4967
03:14:14,400 --> 03:14:16,640
>> Okay, well it's not coming back to us.

4968
03:14:16,640 --> 03:14:21,230
>> Commissioner McCandless, go ahead.

4969
03:14:21,240 --> 03:14:22,800
» I was going to make a motion on this

4970
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:24,440
next one. Are we ready to go to that or

4971
03:14:24,440 --> 03:14:26,760
do you want me to answer Jacques?

4972
03:14:26,760 --> 03:14:27,320
>> Um

4973
03:14:27,320 --> 03:14:28,800
>> No, I got I got I got clarity. That's

4974
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:29,240
all right, though.

4975
03:14:29,240 --> 03:14:30,640
>> So it's not coming back.

4976
03:14:30,640 --> 03:14:32,120
>> Okay.

4977
03:14:32,120 --> 03:14:33,160
>> Yeah, I mean there's really only two

4978
03:14:33,160 --> 03:14:34,600
things on that contract that just that

4979
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:35,880
Steven needs

4980
03:14:35,880 --> 03:14:37,720
to make sure. But we need to send that

4981
03:14:37,720 --> 03:14:39,960
contract back to VIA with the changes

4982
03:14:39,960 --> 03:14:41,680
and then VIA sends it back to us and

4983
03:14:41,680 --> 03:14:43,280
then we're we're good to go. And there's

4984
03:14:43,280 --> 03:14:45,640
two items that he needs he just

4985
03:14:45,640 --> 03:14:47,600
basically needs I don't think a a

4986
03:14:47,600 --> 03:14:50,480
meeting to have all of us back together

4987
03:14:50,480 --> 03:14:55,160
is necessary to to execute that agreement. But So I was

4988
03:14:55,160 --> 03:14:57,000
going to make a motion

4989
03:14:57,000 --> 03:14:59,240
on the

4990
03:14:59,240 --> 03:15:03,160
uh transit tax fund of 47 to fund

4991
03:15:03,160 --> 03:15:05,080
$350,000

4992
03:15:05,080 --> 03:15:06,640
towards the

4993
03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:10,400
budget, the current budget.

4994
03:15:10,400 --> 03:15:13,320
>> I think that was noted in the clerk

4995
03:15:13,320 --> 03:15:15,400
auditor's report earlier even though

4996
03:15:15,400 --> 03:15:16,000
that that's already

4997
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:17,400
>> already that's already what he has in

4998
03:15:17,400 --> 03:15:19,280
there, but I was just uh making that

4999
03:15:19,280 --> 03:15:20,360
motion.

5000
03:15:20,360 --> 03:15:22,160
>> So I've got a motion by Commissioner

5001
03:15:22,160 --> 03:15:24,080
McCandless, second by Commissioner

5002
03:15:24,080 --> 03:15:25,640
Martinez.

5003
03:15:25,640 --> 03:15:28,200
Discussion?

5004
03:15:28,200 --> 03:15:28,920
>> Two questions.

5005
03:15:28,920 --> 03:15:31,000
>> Oh, Clerk Auditor, thank you.

5006
03:15:31,000 --> 03:15:32,680
>> Yeah, I I want to clarify, especially

5007
03:15:32,680 --> 03:15:34,800
for the chair, um

5008
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:36,480
because we had had a conversation about

5009
03:15:36,480 --> 03:15:39,440
that amount being 300 and not 350. Um

5010
03:15:39,440 --> 03:15:40,800
and I just wanted to point out or just

5011
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:42,960
make sure to clarify to just to make

5012
03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:44,400
sure that we're all on the same page

5013
03:15:44,400 --> 03:15:46,920
here. Um on the Monday workshop, there

5014
03:15:46,920 --> 03:15:48,160
was a

5015
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:49,840
the the draw from the fund balance that

5016
03:15:49,840 --> 03:15:52,320
was quoted at that time was 209,000, I

5017
03:15:52,320 --> 03:15:54,200
believe. Um and there was an additional

5018
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:56,600
35, there was there was a bolded note to

5019
03:15:56,600 --> 03:16:00,280
that that I don't um that there was a an

5020
03:16:00,280 --> 03:16:02,720
adjustment into insurance that we had to

5021
03:16:02,720 --> 03:16:04,520
incorporate into the budget that added

5022
03:16:04,520 --> 03:16:06,400
another 35,000

5023
03:16:06,400 --> 03:16:08,840
um to salary and benefit expenses that I

5024
03:16:08,840 --> 03:16:10,760
at that time I didn't have the GL codes

5025
03:16:10,760 --> 03:16:12,000
to be able to put it in the budget

5026
03:16:12,000 --> 03:16:13,920
somewhere. So, it was just included at

5027
03:16:13,920 --> 03:16:15,880
that time as a note and I think that

5028
03:16:15,880 --> 03:16:16,840
created a little bit of a

5029
03:16:16,840 --> 03:16:18,960
misunderstanding about the amount that

5030
03:16:18,960 --> 03:16:21,320
might have been it to be pulled um to

5031
03:16:21,320 --> 03:16:23,440
cover and eliminate the draw from the

5032
03:16:23,440 --> 03:16:25,080
fund balance. So, I just wanted to make

5033
03:16:25,080 --> 03:16:26,400
that note just to make sure that we're

5034
03:16:26,400 --> 03:16:28,280
all on the same page and that I didn't

5035
03:16:28,280 --> 03:16:29,840
ignore you or that we're communicating

5036
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:32,080
well about it. Thank you.

5037
03:16:32,080 --> 03:16:35,830
>> Thank you.

5038
03:16:35,840 --> 03:16:39,280
» Um further comment, Commissioner Hedden.

5039
03:16:39,280 --> 03:16:40,240
>> You can go ahead, Chuck.

5040
03:16:40,240 --> 03:16:42,400
>> Um okay, thank you.

5041
03:16:42,400 --> 03:16:43,360
Uh

5042
03:16:43,360 --> 03:16:46,800
Okay, So, previously in our budget that we

5043
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:49,520
approved for 26

5044
03:16:49,520 --> 03:16:54,240
last fall, we ended up with a

5045
03:16:54,240 --> 03:16:57,120
uh a draw roughly $340,000 out of

5046
03:16:57,120 --> 03:16:58,720
general funds in order to balance the

5047
03:16:58,720 --> 03:16:59,840
budget.

5048
03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:00,600
Right.

5049
03:17:00,600 --> 03:17:02,160
Okay, so

5050
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:06,400
in this So, we're talking here about

5051
03:17:06,400 --> 03:17:10,200
making a $350,000 draw out of fund 47 to

5052
03:17:10,200 --> 03:17:14,000
balance our budget amendment. Um I just

5053
03:17:14,000 --> 03:17:15,800
want to make it super clear that we're

5054
03:17:15,800 --> 03:17:17,320
still take we're we're actually

5055
03:17:17,320 --> 03:17:20,680
increasing our draw by $10,000 out of

5056
03:17:20,680 --> 03:17:22,800
savings. It's just taking it out of a

5057
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,760
different savings account. So, what

5058
03:17:24,760 --> 03:17:26,160
we're doing here, instead of taking

5059
03:17:26,160 --> 03:17:28,200
$340,000, we've changed quite a few

5060
03:17:28,200 --> 03:17:30,760
things. We paid a few more uh

5061
03:17:30,760 --> 03:17:33,160
expenses that weren't budgeted last

5062
03:17:33,160 --> 03:17:37,120
year, a few significant ones. Um and

5063
03:17:37,120 --> 03:17:39,920
again, instead of taking the $340 out of

5064
03:17:39,920 --> 03:17:40,960
the general fund, we're now taking

5065
03:17:40,960 --> 03:17:43,160
$350,000

5066
03:17:43,160 --> 03:17:44,440
out of a different savings account. A

5067
03:17:44,440 --> 03:17:45,840
savings account that's that's

5068
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:47,360
considerably more restrictive, but it's

5069
03:17:47,360 --> 03:17:49,080
a savings account nonetheless, and it's

5070
03:17:49,080 --> 03:17:50,720
a savings account that if we draw it

5071
03:17:50,720 --> 03:17:53,440
down, um it's a savings account that we

5072
03:17:53,440 --> 03:17:57,040
can use in the future for for a number

5073
03:17:57,040 --> 03:17:59,000
of projects, and we can get into that,

5074
03:17:59,000 --> 03:18:03,146
I'm sure we will. Um but if if those

5075
03:18:03,146 --> 03:18:04,160
[clears throat] funds were to be needed

5076
03:18:04,160 --> 03:18:06,720
in the future, um

5077
03:18:06,720 --> 03:18:09,520
with this fund drawn down, we would have

5078
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:11,200
to take those funds out of another

5079
03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:12,520
place.

5080
03:18:12,520 --> 03:18:15,080
Um I'm personally not

5081
03:18:15,080 --> 03:18:16,560
and I said this at the budget workshop,

5082
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:19,960
too. I'm not very comfortable taking

5083
03:18:19,960 --> 03:18:24,440
those funds out of fund 47. I I know we

5084
03:18:24,440 --> 03:18:26,600
are going to have to take funds out of

5085
03:18:26,600 --> 03:18:30,920
an account to balance these expenditures.

5086
03:18:30,920 --> 03:18:32,480
I've been willing to take some of the

5087
03:18:32,480 --> 03:18:34,760
funds out of fund 47, but I just want to

5088
03:18:34,760 --> 03:18:37,200
make it clear what that's used for, and

5089
03:18:37,200 --> 03:18:40,240
I assume that's why Cody's here, too. Um

5090
03:18:40,240 --> 03:18:42,560
fund 47 is

5091
03:18:42,560 --> 03:18:45,760
uh it generally funds GCAT. It has in

5092
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:49,480
the past funded a lot of the um

5093
03:18:49,480 --> 03:18:51,840
maintenance on uh paved bike paths. I

5094
03:18:51,840 --> 03:18:54,640
believe it's also gone to fund um

5095
03:18:54,640 --> 03:18:57,880
salaries that oversee uh other aspects

5096
03:18:57,880 --> 03:19:02,280
of GCAT, such as recreational trails. Um

5097
03:19:02,280 --> 03:19:05,120
Most of my concern is a lot of the paved

5098
03:19:05,120 --> 03:19:07,040
path. I can literally ride it four times

5099
03:19:07,040 --> 03:19:10,360
a week. Uh I rode it this morning. Um

5100
03:19:10,360 --> 03:19:12,800
I know some other commissioner went out

5101
03:19:12,800 --> 03:19:14,800
and took a look at that with with Cody,

5102
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:16,800
and I think Shawn also.

5103
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:20,920
Um and I'm sure as Bill said in his

5104
03:19:20,920 --> 03:19:22,480
future considerations, he'd like to he'd

5105
03:19:22,480 --> 03:19:23,760
like to look at at funding some

5106
03:19:23,760 --> 03:19:24,960
maintenance out of that fund for the

5107
03:19:24,960 --> 03:19:26,320
bike path. I think that's great. It

5108
03:19:26,320 --> 03:19:27,760
needs it.

5109
03:19:27,760 --> 03:19:30,560
has needed it.

5110
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:34,000
There are, I think, approximately 11

5111
03:19:34,000 --> 03:19:36,480
miles of bike path that we have now.

5112
03:19:36,480 --> 03:19:38,440
Next year we're due to add another

5113
03:19:38,440 --> 03:19:40,800
three. We're adding 5/8 of a mile on the

5114
03:19:40,800 --> 03:19:43,000
gap currently. We're also going to be on

5115
03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:45,040
the hook for maintaining another 2.3

5116
03:19:45,040 --> 03:19:49,280
miles up to Utah Raptor State Park. So,

5117
03:19:49,280 --> 03:19:51,600
that'll add a bit. Also, when we finally

5118
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:52,680
get started on the Spanish Valley

5119
03:19:52,680 --> 03:19:54,120
multi-pathway, we're going to be on the

5120
03:19:54,120 --> 03:19:56,000
hook for maintenance there. So, there's

5121
03:19:56,000 --> 03:19:58,640
a lot of future maintenance we are going

5122
03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:01,520
to be needing to use this fund for. This

5123
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:04,400
is also fun to be used as

5124
03:20:04,400 --> 03:20:05,680
We all agree the Spanish Valley

5125
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:07,400
multi-pathway is long overdue and

5126
03:20:07,400 --> 03:20:09,000
something that we all agree on is going

5127
03:20:09,000 --> 03:20:13,480
to be a massive asset for residents of our county as well as

5128
03:20:13,480 --> 03:20:14,600
visitors.

5129
03:20:14,600 --> 03:20:16,160
Mostly residents, it's a transportation

5130
03:20:16,160 --> 03:20:17,400
corridor. It lets all these people in

5131
03:20:17,400 --> 03:20:19,280
those new neighborhoods south of town

5132
03:20:19,280 --> 03:20:21,600
commute to Moab.

5133
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:24,400
We we can use these funds to fund that

5134
03:20:24,400 --> 03:20:27,560
Spanish Valley Drive multi-use pathway

5135
03:20:27,560 --> 03:20:30,320
right now. We can use them as match

5136
03:20:30,320 --> 03:20:33,880
funds for grants in the future.

5137
03:20:33,880 --> 03:20:36,160
It's so all all these funds are

5138
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:38,120
available for that.

5139
03:20:38,120 --> 03:20:41,320
As Brian pointed out in the workshop,

5140
03:20:41,320 --> 03:20:43,320
like why not use the most restrictive

5141
03:20:43,320 --> 03:20:47,000
funds for for something that we can use them

5142
03:20:47,000 --> 03:20:49,000
for, i.e. the shuttle.

5143
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:51,680
And again, I'm I'm less comfortable with

5144
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:53,280
that. I've I've been on the commission

5145
03:20:53,280 --> 03:20:56,200
for almost 6 years now and I've seen

5146
03:20:56,200 --> 03:20:58,640
there's always less of an appetite to

5147
03:20:58,640 --> 03:21:00,520
dip into the general fund than there is

5148
03:21:00,520 --> 03:21:04,160
to use these restricted funds. Let's think of a scenario. Two years

5149
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:05,280
ago,

5150
03:21:05,280 --> 03:21:06,600
a pretty large section of the bike path

5151
03:21:06,600 --> 03:21:08,520
got washed into the Bloody Mary Wash.

5152
03:21:08,520 --> 03:21:09,360
Just

5153
03:21:09,360 --> 03:21:11,280
crazy, but the whole pavement just

5154
03:21:11,280 --> 03:21:14,400
washed into the wash. We finally got

5155
03:21:14,400 --> 03:21:16,800
that fixed after 2 years just a month or

5156
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:18,560
two ago.

5157
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:19,600
It could have been way worse. I mean

5158
03:21:19,600 --> 03:21:20,960
there's a few bridges on that path.

5159
03:21:20,960 --> 03:21:22,360
There's also a lot of exposure on the

5160
03:21:22,360 --> 03:21:25,040
path if you go up switchbacks.

5161
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:27,360
There are there's

5162
03:21:27,360 --> 03:21:31,840
significant drainage issue potentials on

5163
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:33,360
there that could cause significantly

5164
03:21:33,360 --> 03:21:36,240
more damage to that path. And if we have

5165
03:21:36,240 --> 03:21:37,720
a fund readily available that we can

5166
03:21:37,720 --> 03:21:39,280
pull

5167
03:21:39,280 --> 03:21:40,800
I don't know, half a million bucks from

5168
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:42,720
them if we really need to, then then

5169
03:21:42,720 --> 03:21:44,440
we're way more likely to do that than we

5170
03:21:44,440 --> 03:21:46,040
are if we

5171
03:21:46,040 --> 03:21:47,360
take it right out of the general fund,

5172
03:21:47,360 --> 03:21:50,000
which would be an alternative.

5173
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:55,200
Um so it's this isn't free money. It's a savings account. It's a savings

5174
03:21:55,200 --> 03:21:57,840
account we've worked hard to

5175
03:21:57,840 --> 03:21:59,480
build up and it's a savings account that

5176
03:21:59,480 --> 03:22:02,280
we will be tapping into in the future.

5177
03:22:02,280 --> 03:22:04,720
And I'm not stoked about pulling

5178
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:07,560
$350,000 out of it.

5179
03:22:07,560 --> 03:22:09,600
>> Commissioner McCandless and then I'm

5180
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:11,160
going to make a comment.

5181
03:22:11,160 --> 03:22:13,480
>> Oh, I had my hand up, too. You said I

5182
03:22:13,480 --> 03:22:15,040
was after Jock.

5183
03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:17,320
>> Okay, Commissioner Ordin, Commissioner

5184
03:22:17,320 --> 03:22:19,000
McCandless and then I will make a

5185
03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:20,200
comment.

5186
03:22:20,200 --> 03:22:23,080
>> Um Jock said much of what I was going to

5187
03:22:23,080 --> 03:22:25,800
say. I do appreciate there was many many

5188
03:22:25,800 --> 03:22:28,160
citizens that came to talk about the

5189
03:22:28,160 --> 03:22:31,440
original the origin of this fund and and

5190
03:22:31,440 --> 03:22:32,960
the fact that, you know, it really

5191
03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:35,920
ensured or it was for the community for

5192
03:22:35,920 --> 03:22:37,320
transport

5193
03:22:37,320 --> 03:22:39,880
for transportation needs, roads, active

5194
03:22:39,880 --> 03:22:42,040
transportation. I don't think anyone at

5195
03:22:42,040 --> 03:22:44,120
that time foresaw that they were going

5196
03:22:44,120 --> 03:22:46,240
to be paying for a shuttle for tourists

5197
03:22:46,240 --> 03:22:49,480
into Arches National Park. Um I just

5198
03:22:49,480 --> 03:22:52,160
want to point out that this is just one

5199
03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:56,120
more spin in a pattern where we keep

5200
03:22:56,120 --> 03:22:59,320
bypassing county needs,

5201
03:22:59,320 --> 03:23:02,160
spending money outside of budget, and

5202
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:04,560
pulling from fund balances. And

5203
03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:07,400
eventually, and it's not very far down

5204
03:23:07,400 --> 03:23:09,360
the road, we're going to be in deep

5205
03:23:09,360 --> 03:23:11,320
trouble.

5206
03:23:11,320 --> 03:23:15,520
And and again I can't stress enough like

5207
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:17,760
our needs are endless.

5208
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:20,280
And we just bypass all those

5209
03:23:20,280 --> 03:23:22,600
priorities. And we just keep putting in

5210
03:23:22,600 --> 03:23:25,080
stuff in top of it and top of it on top

5211
03:23:25,080 --> 03:23:27,360
of it.

5212
03:23:27,360 --> 03:23:29,240
And I and I guess I just with the final

5213
03:23:29,240 --> 03:23:31,080
statement I'm going to make and and then

5214
03:23:31,080 --> 03:23:34,360
I'll just my frustration level is so high

5215
03:23:34,360 --> 03:23:36,800
tonight. Um I want to remind this

5216
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:39,200
commission and and I asked it that you

5217
03:23:39,200 --> 03:23:42,200
guys hopefully are listening.

5218
03:23:42,200 --> 03:23:44,680
That our goals are to improve the

5219
03:23:44,680 --> 03:23:47,560
quality of life for our citizens,

5220
03:23:47,560 --> 03:23:50,040
to manage sustainable growth,

5221
03:23:50,040 --> 03:23:51,840
and to protect our public resources.

5222
03:23:51,840 --> 03:23:54,080
Those are our goals.

5223
03:23:54,080 --> 03:23:56,560
And hopefully as elected, you're not

5224
03:23:56,560 --> 03:24:00,440
losing sight of that. I know because

5225
03:24:00,440 --> 03:24:02,800
I've [laughter] apprised as a lot of

5226
03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:04,680
emails that

5227
03:24:04,680 --> 03:24:08,640
this was an initiative that

5228
03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:10,160
I don't think had a lot to do with our

5229
03:24:10,160 --> 03:24:11,800
community.

5230
03:24:11,800 --> 03:24:13,400
Um

5231
03:24:13,400 --> 03:24:14,200
I've

5232
03:24:14,200 --> 03:24:17,080
I'm reading the emails as we speak.

5233
03:24:17,080 --> 03:24:19,120
And and I don't I don't want you guys to

5234
03:24:19,120 --> 03:24:20,720
lose sight that you are representing

5235
03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:22,640
this community. That we're trying to do

5236
03:24:22,640 --> 03:24:26,120
things for this community in fund 47,

5237
03:24:26,120 --> 03:24:29,280
we should hopefully be

5238
03:24:29,280 --> 03:24:33,240
you know, using those reserves for

5239
03:24:33,240 --> 03:24:36,440
bike paths, for road improvements, etc.

5240
03:24:36,440 --> 03:24:37,640
and so

5241
03:24:37,640 --> 03:24:39,160
I I just don't want you guys to lose

5242
03:24:39,160 --> 03:24:41,200
sight of why we're here.

5243
03:24:41,200 --> 03:24:43,360
And I think we are a little bit. And

5244
03:24:43,360 --> 03:24:47,270
it's and that's what's bumming me out.

5245
03:24:47,280 --> 03:24:50,120
» Commissioner McCandless.

5246
03:24:50,120 --> 03:24:52,560
>> So I just want to state that spending

5247
03:24:52,560 --> 03:24:54,800
money out of this account is not what's

5248
03:24:54,800 --> 03:24:56,600
hindering the Spanish Valley multi-use

5249
03:24:56,600 --> 03:24:58,560
path. We're ready to go on that. There's

5250
03:24:58,560 --> 03:24:59,800
just certain things that we're taking

5251
03:24:59,800 --> 03:25:02,040
care of before it gets going. It's not

5252
03:25:02,040 --> 03:25:05,360
because we don't have the funding and this is not hitting into that

5253
03:25:05,360 --> 03:25:07,560
funding that is for the Spanish Valley

5254
03:25:07,560 --> 03:25:09,440
multi-use path. So, I just want to

5255
03:25:09,440 --> 03:25:11,680
clarify that to all of our constituents

5256
03:25:11,680 --> 03:25:13,440
and to everybody on the commission that

5257
03:25:13,440 --> 03:25:17,120
this money is not going into that. The other thing

5258
03:25:17,120 --> 03:25:18,080
that's really interesting is I was

5259
03:25:18,080 --> 03:25:21,280
looking back at fund balances from 2021

5260
03:25:21,280 --> 03:25:23,120
and there was $600,000 in the fund

5261
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:24,960
balance for this account and then there

5262
03:25:24,960 --> 03:25:28,320
was like 1800 18 1.8 million dollars in

5263
03:25:28,320 --> 03:25:30,520
that account. So, how it grew from

5264
03:25:30,520 --> 03:25:33,280
$600,000 to $1.8 million dollars is

5265
03:25:33,280 --> 03:25:34,680
super interesting and I've looked back

5266
03:25:34,680 --> 03:25:36,680
because that optional sales tax of

5267
03:25:36,680 --> 03:25:38,360
$345,000

5268
03:25:38,360 --> 03:25:40,040
a year, it makes me wonder if there was

5269
03:25:40,040 --> 03:25:42,600
a little bit of, you know, putting money

5270
03:25:42,600 --> 03:25:45,760
from TR's TR TRCCA that maybe was in

5271
03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:48,040
there. So, just just throwing that out

5272
03:25:48,040 --> 03:25:49,720
there. I mean, this money's been sitting

5273
03:25:49,720 --> 03:25:52,400
there. It's made to use. It's a lot more

5274
03:25:52,400 --> 03:25:54,000
restricted just like Jacques said, just

5275
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:55,720
like we talked about the other day. It's

5276
03:25:55,720 --> 03:25:58,120
a very restricted balance. It's made for

5277
03:25:58,120 --> 03:25:59,640
this kind of stuff. This is what the

5278
03:25:59,640 --> 03:26:01,760
optional sales tax is for.

5279
03:26:01,760 --> 03:26:04,480
And that's why we're going to use it

5280
03:26:04,480 --> 03:26:05,680
we're going to we're going to use it,

5281
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:07,760
but we're not depleting it.

5282
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:09,280
would be taking all of the

5283
03:26:09,280 --> 03:26:10,360
money out of it. There's still going to

5284
03:26:10,360 --> 03:26:12,560
be money in there for for maintenance.

5285
03:26:12,560 --> 03:26:13,440
There's still going to be money in there

5286
03:26:13,440 --> 03:26:15,120
for roads and it continues to grow

5287
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:17,440
because we can we have optional sales

5288
03:26:17,440 --> 03:26:18,920
tax. The other thing I want to talk

5289
03:26:18,920 --> 03:26:20,800
about in sales tax is that when we talk

5290
03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:23,120
about sales tax, 70% of that comes from

5291
03:26:23,120 --> 03:26:27,320
visitors. So, just like the TRT tax

5292
03:26:27,320 --> 03:26:29,080
comes from visit the majority visitors,

5293
03:26:29,080 --> 03:26:30,880
but all of us go out to eat and we pay

5294
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:33,080
that tax as well. It's just like the

5295
03:26:33,080 --> 03:26:35,680
sales tax. Our visitors pay 70% of that

5296
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:38,600
tax. We pay 30% of that tax. So, yes,

5297
03:26:38,600 --> 03:26:40,880
some of this money is going is from

5298
03:26:40,880 --> 03:26:43,760
visitors and some of it's from locals,

5299
03:26:43,760 --> 03:26:45,600
but not the majority. The majority is

5300
03:26:45,600 --> 03:26:47,360
still coming from our visitors that come

5301
03:26:47,360 --> 03:26:48,800
to our community. And we're still going

5302
03:26:48,800 --> 03:26:50,280
to be supporting our visitors and our

5303
03:26:50,280 --> 03:26:52,200
locals. And we talked about economic

5304
03:26:52,200 --> 03:26:54,360
growth, you know, um I think one of the

5305
03:26:54,360 --> 03:26:56,160
constituents that came and spoke today,

5306
03:26:56,160 --> 03:26:58,600
she sent us a an email about economic

5307
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:00,400
growth a while ago and said that, you

5308
03:27:00,400 --> 03:27:01,880
know, she wants diversification in our

5309
03:27:01,880 --> 03:27:04,200
community. Well, that's what this is. A

5310
03:27:04,200 --> 03:27:06,080
transportation system that's going to

5311
03:27:06,080 --> 03:27:09,040
run, hopefully, from a new train or the

5312
03:27:09,040 --> 03:27:10,680
airport or whatever. But, this is the

5313
03:27:10,680 --> 03:27:12,440
pilot. This is the the piece that's

5314
03:27:12,440 --> 03:27:14,520
going to make it so that we can go and

5315
03:27:14,520 --> 03:27:17,600
we can have the information to do

5316
03:27:17,600 --> 03:27:19,240
something all the way out into Spanish

5317
03:27:19,240 --> 03:27:21,840
Valley and then all the way out into

5318
03:27:21,840 --> 03:27:24,360
I-70. Without information, we can't do

5319
03:27:24,360 --> 03:27:26,600
any of that. So, you know, I don't I

5320
03:27:26,600 --> 03:27:28,920
still struggle with the roadblocks. I

5321
03:27:28,920 --> 03:27:32,400
don't think that using $350,000 out of

5322
03:27:32,400 --> 03:27:35,440
our fund 47 is deterring anything for

5323
03:27:35,440 --> 03:27:37,720
our locals. And I know you guys are

5324
03:27:37,720 --> 03:27:39,760
frustrated with some of the processes,

5325
03:27:39,760 --> 03:27:41,000
but you know, I asked a couple

5326
03:27:41,000 --> 03:27:42,800
commissioners to fill in for me and they

5327
03:27:42,800 --> 03:27:44,360
refused to. So, if you don't want to get

5328
03:27:44,360 --> 03:27:46,440
the information, then I don't know what

5329
03:27:46,440 --> 03:27:47,640
to tell you

5330
03:27:47,640 --> 03:27:50,240
about it, but that's

5331
03:27:50,240 --> 03:27:52,120
I'm frustrated with the pushback that

5332
03:27:52,120 --> 03:27:53,800
we're getting on this, but that's

5333
03:27:53,800 --> 03:27:55,200
normal. I mean, we all get frustrated,

5334
03:27:55,200 --> 03:27:58,830
so.

5335
03:27:58,840 --> 03:28:01,680
» I know Commissioner Mark Tenas is

5336
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:03,440
wanting to speak up over there, but but

5337
03:28:03,440 --> 03:28:08,400
I'm going to start. You know, I'm always amazed at the level of

5338
03:28:08,400 --> 03:28:10,440
professionalism by other commissioners

5339
03:28:10,440 --> 03:28:14,480
on this board and also by the hypocrisy

5340
03:28:14,480 --> 03:28:17,000
that goes on in this room. And I just

5341
03:28:17,000 --> 03:28:19,560
want to bring up that the river pathway,

5342
03:28:19,560 --> 03:28:22,360
I worked on a $2.5 million grant to

5343
03:28:22,360 --> 03:28:25,280
extend that and I worked with UDot that

5344
03:28:25,280 --> 03:28:27,600
came up with $10 million. Now, did I do

5345
03:28:27,600 --> 03:28:29,920
it alone? No. There was also staff

5346
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,280
involved with those. I then I've worked

5347
03:28:32,280 --> 03:28:35,080
with UDot to get $500,000 worth of

5348
03:28:35,080 --> 03:28:38,000
funding for the Mud Springs Road. I also

5349
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:40,760
was on phase one of Mud Springs and

5350
03:28:40,760 --> 03:28:43,760
worked on the grant for phase one. I've

5351
03:28:43,760 --> 03:28:46,520
also worked on the parking lots and the

5352
03:28:46,520 --> 03:28:48,480
funding for those parking lots so that

5353
03:28:48,480 --> 03:28:50,640
Cody has money rather than the county

5354
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:52,120
having to pay for it to build the

5355
03:28:52,120 --> 03:28:54,920
parking lots out at Mayka. And so, we

5356
03:28:54,920 --> 03:28:56,680
have citizens come in here that have

5357
03:28:56,680 --> 03:29:00,120
been misinformed by commissioners

5358
03:29:00,120 --> 03:29:01,520
about

5359
03:29:01,520 --> 03:29:03,600
that this commission is turning away

5360
03:29:03,600 --> 03:29:06,320
from bikes and going to motorized. And I

5361
03:29:06,320 --> 03:29:08,520
just ask, is there another commissioner

5362
03:29:08,520 --> 03:29:11,440
here that has brought any bike grant

5363
03:29:11,440 --> 03:29:14,000
money to this county in the last three

5364
03:29:14,000 --> 03:29:16,760
or four years? Anybody speak up. Because

5365
03:29:16,760 --> 03:29:18,760
I'd love to hear about it. Jack, you are

5366
03:29:18,760 --> 03:29:20,920
the bike master.

5367
03:29:20,920 --> 03:29:24,080
Yes, I've worked on many grants and some

5368
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:26,360
of them the staff wrote them. I worked

5369
03:29:26,360 --> 03:29:28,240
and sat on boards that approved them and

5370
03:29:28,240 --> 03:29:30,560
I spoke for them favorably so that money

5371
03:29:30,560 --> 03:29:33,000
came back here. And here we are looking

5372
03:29:33,000 --> 03:29:34,440
at a shuttle

5373
03:29:34,440 --> 03:29:38,640
and to say that we've turned away from

5374
03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:41,200
bikes and gone motorized, it just amazes

5375
03:29:41,200 --> 03:29:42,840
me and you guys could have never said

5376
03:29:42,840 --> 03:29:44,360
that in the shuttle. You could support

5377
03:29:44,360 --> 03:29:47,280
this shuttle. There's reasons to do so

5378
03:29:47,280 --> 03:29:49,160
because then you would understand and

5379
03:29:49,160 --> 03:29:51,040
you could be a part of it raising some

5380
03:29:51,040 --> 03:29:52,800
of the money for the bike paths. But no,

5381
03:29:52,800 --> 03:29:55,200
you're not. You sit back and you

5382
03:29:55,200 --> 03:29:58,120
criticize and you criticize, but

5383
03:29:58,120 --> 03:30:00,520
nobody's brought any money to bikes in

5384
03:30:00,520 --> 03:30:03,000
this county recently. I I

5385
03:30:03,000 --> 03:30:05,440
Oh, I mean, share it. Go ahead. Trish,

5386
03:30:05,440 --> 03:30:08,320
you talk about poor governance. W- If we

5387
03:30:08,320 --> 03:30:10,880
want to go back a few years, I wonder if

5388
03:30:10,880 --> 03:30:12,800
the state auditor agrees that there's a

5389
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:14,480
pattern of misuse as you

5390
03:30:14,480 --> 03:30:16,840
>> Point of order. Let's Let's Let's talk

5391
03:30:16,840 --> 03:30:17,880
about tonight.

5392
03:30:17,880 --> 03:30:18,200
>> I am.

5393
03:30:18,200 --> 03:30:20,040
>> The items on this agenda tonight.

5394
03:30:20,040 --> 03:30:21,640
>> You're airing grievances.

5395
03:30:21,640 --> 03:30:23,960
pattern of misuse of funds in this

5396
03:30:23,960 --> 03:30:24,400
county.

5397
03:30:24,400 --> 03:30:25,880
>> Point of order.

5398
03:30:25,880 --> 03:30:28,480
>> You're the You're the acting chair and

5399
03:30:28,480 --> 03:30:30,960
you're just airing grievances. Various

5400
03:30:30,960 --> 03:30:33,000
>> Point of order, Phil.

5401
03:30:33,000 --> 03:30:35,400
>> You don't get to change this discussion,

5402
03:30:35,400 --> 03:30:37,000
Trish. It isn't your right.

5403
03:30:37,000 --> 03:30:37,800
>> Discussion all the time.

5404
03:30:37,800 --> 03:30:39,000
>> If you can't chair it, then you

5405
03:30:39,000 --> 03:30:39,880
shouldn't be chair.

5406
03:30:39,880 --> 03:30:43,440
>> Point of order. This I'm I'm leaving.

5407
03:30:43,440 --> 03:30:45,760
Yes, Commissioner Martinez, go ahead.

5408
03:30:45,760 --> 03:30:46,720
>> So, you're going to You're going to let

5409
03:30:46,720 --> 03:30:48,160
>> You guys You guys get it. You guys get

5410
03:30:48,160 --> 03:30:48,960
it.

5411
03:30:48,960 --> 03:30:50,720
You guys Thanks, though.

5412
03:30:50,720 --> 03:30:51,760
You're doing

5413
03:30:51,760 --> 03:30:53,240
Thanks for your service.

5414
03:30:53,240 --> 03:30:54,040
>> Wait, holding on.

5415
03:30:54,040 --> 03:30:55,560
>> I'll miss you next year.

5416
03:30:55,560 --> 03:30:58,590
>> Mr. Martinez

5417
03:30:58,600 --> 03:30:59,960
» Yes, I'll just call for a vote.

5418
03:30:59,960 --> 03:31:00,880
>> All right.

5419
03:31:00,880 --> 03:31:02,960
>> Call for a vote. Those in favor?

5420
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:07,230
>> I'm abstaining.

5421
03:31:07,240 --> 03:31:10,000
» Those opposed?

5422
03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:14,270
None stated. One abstention.

5423
03:31:14,280 --> 03:31:16,160
The motion was made for 350.

5424
03:31:16,160 --> 03:31:16,760
>> Correct.

5425
03:31:16,760 --> 03:31:17,520
>> Yeah.

5426
03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:21,470
>> A great night with the pie butter.

5427
03:31:21,480 --> 03:31:24,720
» All right. The motion motion passes with

5428
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:27,840
four in favor, one abstention, and two

5429
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:30,990
walkouts.

5430
03:31:31,000 --> 03:31:34,520
And we will move on to what we have left

5431
03:31:34,520 --> 03:31:35,960
here.

5432
03:31:35,960 --> 03:31:37,120
>> Number 16.

5433
03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:39,840
county contributions to

5434
03:31:39,840 --> 03:31:41,760
non-county entities and special

5435
03:31:41,760 --> 03:31:44,200
districts.

5436
03:31:44,200 --> 03:31:46,320
>> I got you.

5437
03:31:46,320 --> 03:31:48,760
>> Commissioner Martin or McCandless. So,

5438
03:31:48,760 --> 03:31:50,000
Commissioner

5439
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:51,360
>> Sorry.

5440
03:31:51,360 --> 03:31:53,240
I move to direct staff to create

5441
03:31:53,240 --> 03:31:55,040
policies and procedures for non-county

5442
03:31:55,040 --> 03:31:56,440
entities and special districts to

5443
03:31:56,440 --> 03:31:59,120
request donations or funding support

5444
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:00,200
from the county for future

5445
03:32:00,200 --> 03:32:04,240
considerations by the commission.

5446
03:32:04,240 --> 03:32:06,640
>> Motion by Commissioner McCarty.

5447
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:06,960
>> Second.

5448
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:08,920
by Commissioner Martinez.

5449
03:32:08,920 --> 03:32:10,680
Discussion?

5450
03:32:10,680 --> 03:32:12,920
>> Uh this was a long time coming. I know a

5451
03:32:12,920 --> 03:32:14,200
lot of my special service districts are

5452
03:32:14,200 --> 03:32:16,680
quite interested in this also. So.

5453
03:32:16,680 --> 03:32:18,680
>> All right. Call for a vote. Those in

5454
03:32:18,680 --> 03:32:21,590
favor?

5455
03:32:21,600 --> 03:32:22,720
» I.

5456
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:25,080
>> Passes four with three commissioners

5457
03:32:25,080 --> 03:32:27,320
missing. Commissioner

5458
03:32:27,320 --> 03:32:29,040
Hadler, Commissioner Hedin, and

5459
03:32:29,040 --> 03:32:32,230
Commissioner McGinn.

5460
03:32:32,240 --> 03:32:32,760
And

5461
03:32:32,760 --> 03:32:35,120
>> I ain't going to close this out of my

5462
03:32:35,120 --> 03:32:38,560
>> Um we still have to vote on the

5463
03:32:38,560 --> 03:32:42,840
item I, I think it was, from the

5464
03:32:42,840 --> 03:32:45,520
airports. Um item

5465
03:32:45,520 --> 03:32:46,200
I,

5466
03:32:46,200 --> 03:32:50,510
extension of airport lease agreement.

5467
03:32:50,520 --> 03:32:51,600
» And so, Mr.

5468
03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:54,310
>> Wait, a hangar.

5469
03:32:54,320 --> 03:32:55,160
» I just

5470
03:32:55,160 --> 03:32:56,400
Please come out.

5471
03:32:56,400 --> 03:32:58,280
>> Okay, just one comment real quickly.

5472
03:32:58,280 --> 03:33:00,120
>> Thanks for the reminder, mouth.

5473
03:33:00,120 --> 03:33:01,520
>> Um

5474
03:33:01,520 --> 03:33:04,320
the airports leases, all of them right

5475
03:33:04,320 --> 03:33:06,520
now, by our current minimum standards,

5476
03:33:06,520 --> 03:33:09,920
state that they are 30 years with four

5477
03:33:09,920 --> 03:33:11,800
five-year extensions at the end. So,

5478
03:33:11,800 --> 03:33:14,000
they're all 50 years right now by

5479
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:16,960
pattern. I'm not sure why this one got

5480
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:19,280
signed outside of that, but we're

5481
03:33:19,280 --> 03:33:22,320
basically just taking it from 2022 and

5482
03:33:22,320 --> 03:33:24,560
making it the 50-year that everyone else

5483
03:33:24,560 --> 03:33:26,960
on the airfield has gotten. And it's my

5484
03:33:26,960 --> 03:33:29,800
opinion that um your FBO, actually being

5485
03:33:29,800 --> 03:33:31,480
the only entity on the airport that you

5486
03:33:31,480 --> 03:33:34,040
actually require to do certain things

5487
03:33:34,040 --> 03:33:35,960
and to contribute and to invest in the

5488
03:33:35,960 --> 03:33:38,920
airport, probably ought to get at least

5489
03:33:38,920 --> 03:33:40,520
as good a lease as everybody else is

5490
03:33:40,520 --> 03:33:42,360
getting. And I would even argue, and

5491
03:33:42,360 --> 03:33:44,880
will in coming months, that you should

5492
03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:47,880
make the standard lease term for all

5493
03:33:47,880 --> 03:33:51,200
airport properties a lot less and keep

5494
03:33:51,200 --> 03:33:55,760
the FBO lease at the same length.

5495
03:33:55,760 --> 03:33:58,080
>> And since there I I think this item was

5496
03:33:58,080 --> 03:33:59,440
originally brought up by Commissioner

5497
03:33:59,440 --> 03:34:01,640
But to err out what So, why why would

5498
03:34:01,640 --> 03:34:03,400
the county benefit from longer leases?

5499
03:34:03,400 --> 03:34:05,000
Can you speak to that so that the

5500
03:34:05,000 --> 03:34:06,240
public's informed about it?

5501
03:34:06,240 --> 03:34:08,120
>> benefit, as I've said before, your

5502
03:34:08,120 --> 03:34:10,840
airport is usually judged by your FBO.

5503
03:34:10,840 --> 03:34:12,400
They don't know who the airport director

5504
03:34:12,400 --> 03:34:14,200
is, most of the public doesn't.

5505
03:34:14,200 --> 03:34:17,120
And uh but the everybody that flies in

5506
03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:18,920
interacts with your FBO.

5507
03:34:18,920 --> 03:34:21,400
We require them to do certain things. If

5508
03:34:21,400 --> 03:34:22,800
you look at our minimum standards, we've

5509
03:34:22,800 --> 03:34:24,920
got a long list of things that we make

5510
03:34:24,920 --> 03:34:28,200
them do, all for the right to sell fuel.

5511
03:34:28,200 --> 03:34:30,320
That's That's the benefit that they that

5512
03:34:30,320 --> 03:34:32,080
they get. We only allow you to do that

5513
03:34:32,080 --> 03:34:36,960
if you do this. How we benefit is our FBO being strengthened, or having a

5514
03:34:36,960 --> 03:34:39,880
higher value, has a greater ability to

5515
03:34:39,880 --> 03:34:42,520
borrow against that to say invest in

5516
03:34:42,520 --> 03:34:45,280
more hangar locations so that they can

5517
03:34:45,280 --> 03:34:47,040
um [clears throat] continue to

5518
03:34:47,040 --> 03:34:49,160
do the things we require them to do.

5519
03:34:49,160 --> 03:34:51,480
>> And and why are why are the leases at

5520
03:34:51,480 --> 03:34:53,120
the airport longer or why does that

5521
03:34:53,120 --> 03:34:56,200
benefit again trying I mean Mr. Stave

5522
03:34:56,200 --> 03:34:57,400
for a bit that's why I'm trying to

5523
03:34:57,400 --> 03:35:00,160
>> If you own if you own a hangar at the

5524
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:01,520
airport, you don't own the ground but

5525
03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:02,840
it's still owned

5526
03:35:02,840 --> 03:35:04,680
county maintains ownership of that

5527
03:35:04,680 --> 03:35:06,920
ground. So if you have a hangar and you

5528
03:35:06,920 --> 03:35:08,200
spend

5529
03:35:08,200 --> 03:35:11,680
$400,000 building that

5530
03:35:11,680 --> 03:35:13,320
and you have a 40-year lease. Well, if

5531
03:35:13,320 --> 03:35:14,960
there's only 3 years left on that lease,

5532
03:35:14,960 --> 03:35:16,720
what is

5533
03:35:16,720 --> 03:35:18,520
you can't sell that for $400,000

5534
03:35:18,520 --> 03:35:20,600
anymore. No matter what the value is,

5535
03:35:20,600 --> 03:35:22,320
the as the lease goes, the building

5536
03:35:22,320 --> 03:35:23,720
depreciates.

5537
03:35:23,720 --> 03:35:25,480
Um which is why I think 40 is a good

5538
03:35:25,480 --> 03:35:26,880
amount of time for a hangar because for

5539
03:35:26,880 --> 03:35:28,640
tax purposes that depreciates out the

5540
03:35:28,640 --> 03:35:30,880
entire value of the building. Um there

5541
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:32,000
are other things I'm going to propose

5542
03:35:32,000 --> 03:35:33,560
that we don't need to get into them here

5543
03:35:33,560 --> 03:35:34,840
where we can actually help people

5544
03:35:34,840 --> 03:35:36,920
continue to invest in their hangars so

5545
03:35:36,920 --> 03:35:39,080
that they move on. But the lease length

5546
03:35:39,080 --> 03:35:42,040
gives value to

5547
03:35:42,040 --> 03:35:43,680
the owned hangar.

5548
03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:45,440
>> And then one last one final question. So

5549
03:35:45,440 --> 03:35:48,440
once once the county has the lease uh or

5550
03:35:48,440 --> 03:35:50,800
has hangars that are built out there,

5551
03:35:50,800 --> 03:35:52,320
how does that benefit the county in in

5552
03:35:52,320 --> 03:35:54,200
terms of the lease amounts and and the

5553
03:35:54,200 --> 03:35:55,880
rental car rental amounts?

5554
03:35:55,880 --> 03:35:58,040
>> For anybody or for FBOs in general?

5555
03:35:58,040 --> 03:35:59,520
>> For the county for the county's benefit

5556
03:35:59,520 --> 03:36:00,640
for for both.

5557
03:36:00,640 --> 03:36:02,200
>> So one of the ways that we're going to

5558
03:36:02,200 --> 03:36:04,360
benefit which is new is to charge that

5559
03:36:04,360 --> 03:36:06,080
one-time linear foot fee that's going to

5560
03:36:06,080 --> 03:36:07,520
help us pay for the taxways that we've

5561
03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:09,640
got. The other way is we get a ground

5562
03:36:09,640 --> 03:36:11,760
lease out of all of those so our our

5563
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:13,560
biggest revenue generator

5564
03:36:13,560 --> 03:36:14,680
is leases.

5565
03:36:14,680 --> 03:36:16,240
So as we lease the ground, we we get

5566
03:36:16,240 --> 03:36:17,880
money from that. That also brings in

5567
03:36:17,880 --> 03:36:19,960
people with aircraft

5568
03:36:19,960 --> 03:36:21,640
uh who buy fuel

5569
03:36:21,640 --> 03:36:24,040
get other services which we also get a

5570
03:36:24,040 --> 03:36:26,840
piece of that. Um it also incentivizes

5571
03:36:26,840 --> 03:36:28,360
people to build hangars out here that

5572
03:36:28,360 --> 03:36:30,600
might want to fly in and stay at one of

5573
03:36:30,600 --> 03:36:33,240
our places and and vacation. We have

5574
03:36:33,240 --> 03:36:35,680
several hangar owners out there now that

5575
03:36:35,680 --> 03:36:38,200
don't live in Moab. They they travel

5576
03:36:38,200 --> 03:36:39,640
here, won't have a place to keep their

5577
03:36:39,640 --> 03:36:41,680
hangar. Keep their

5578
03:36:41,680 --> 03:36:42,800
>> All right, I sure don't. Those are all

5579
03:36:42,800 --> 03:36:44,600
my questions. I just wanted to explore

5580
03:36:44,600 --> 03:36:46,160
some of those items, too.

5581
03:36:46,160 --> 03:36:46,960
>> Commissioner McCarty.

5582
03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:49,800
>> Return to tax classes. Do we tax

5583
03:36:49,800 --> 03:36:52,120
personal property? I know we do not tax

5584
03:36:52,120 --> 03:36:53,920
hangar land.

5585
03:36:53,920 --> 03:36:56,120
Do we tax personal property as in the

5586
03:36:56,120 --> 03:36:57,000
hangar?

5587
03:36:57,000 --> 03:36:58,440
>> Yes.

5588
03:36:58,440 --> 03:37:00,880
And And it's not just that. And I

5589
03:37:00,880 --> 03:37:02,040
haven't checked into it with this

5590
03:37:02,040 --> 03:37:03,440
county, but we were talking about it a

5591
03:37:03,440 --> 03:37:04,680
little bit. Um

5592
03:37:04,680 --> 03:37:06,000
one of the things that happened in Utah

5593
03:37:06,000 --> 03:37:07,480
County is they started assessing a

5594
03:37:07,480 --> 03:37:09,800
privilege tax for even hangars. Even

5595
03:37:09,800 --> 03:37:11,920
hangars that we owned.

5596
03:37:11,920 --> 03:37:13,480
Uh right at this moment, I don't know if

5597
03:37:13,480 --> 03:37:16,800
the county is assessing that or not. But

5598
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:18,640
uh the county certainly can by state

5599
03:37:18,640 --> 03:37:20,520
rule because most counties do. It's

5600
03:37:20,520 --> 03:37:22,240
called a privilege tax. It's basically

5601
03:37:22,240 --> 03:37:24,680
just making somebody pay what they would

5602
03:37:24,680 --> 03:37:26,400
have paid for the building even though

5603
03:37:26,400 --> 03:37:27,800
they don't own the building.

5604
03:37:27,800 --> 03:37:29,040
>> And the difference between that is

5605
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:30,440
commercial and private, correct?

5606
03:37:30,440 --> 03:37:32,440
>> Correct. It It has to be for commercial.

5607
03:37:32,440 --> 03:37:32,760
>> Yeah.

5608
03:37:32,760 --> 03:37:34,400
>> Somebody who's just renting it for

5609
03:37:34,400 --> 03:37:35,680
private use,

5610
03:37:35,680 --> 03:37:37,160
somebody who's just rent for private

5611
03:37:37,160 --> 03:37:38,240
use,

5612
03:37:38,240 --> 03:37:40,080
no. You don't You can't get the

5613
03:37:40,080 --> 03:37:43,550
privilege tax.

5614
03:37:43,560 --> 03:37:46,120
» All right, do we need a motion for item

5615
03:37:46,120 --> 03:37:47,560
I?

5616
03:37:47,560 --> 03:37:49,320
>> You would need a motion to approve it.

5617
03:37:49,320 --> 03:37:50,280
>> Yes, Commissioner.

5618
03:37:50,280 --> 03:37:52,520
>> Motion to approve item I that was pulled

5619
03:37:52,520 --> 03:37:54,920
from the consent agenda.

5620
03:37:54,920 --> 03:37:55,240
>> Second.

5621
03:37:55,240 --> 03:37:57,560
>> Seconded by Commissioner Martinez. Any

5622
03:37:57,560 --> 03:38:00,790
further discussion?

5623
03:38:00,800 --> 03:38:02,440
Being none, I'll call for a vote. Those

5624
03:38:02,440 --> 03:38:05,230
in favor?

5625
03:38:05,240 --> 03:38:07,790
» Sorry.

5626
03:38:07,800 --> 03:38:09,200
» Yep, she got her hand up. Thank you,

5627
03:38:09,200 --> 03:38:10,960
Miller.

5628
03:38:10,960 --> 03:38:13,720
That passes with

5629
03:38:13,720 --> 03:38:15,840
four. That passes four with three

5630
03:38:15,840 --> 03:38:18,240
commissioners missing from the meeting,

5631
03:38:18,240 --> 03:38:20,000
Commissioner Hedin, Commissioner Hadler,

5632
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:22,440
and Commissioner Van.

5633
03:38:22,440 --> 03:38:25,480
And with that, we have no closed session

5634
03:38:25,480 --> 03:38:26,600
or anything, correct?

5635
03:38:26,600 --> 03:38:28,760
>> Couldn't get there if we wanted to.

5636
03:38:28,760 --> 03:38:30,040
All

5637
03:38:30,040 --> 03:38:31,560
right, with that, I adjourn this

5638
03:38:31,560 --> 03:38:48,750
meeting. Thank you. 7:36 p.m. We're

5639
03:38:48,760 --> 03:38:51,120
Hang on.