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Commissioner Hadine, can you hear us?

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>> Yes, I can hear you.

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>> Great. Thank you.

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>> Okay. I want to welcome everyone to this

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workshop on August 18th with Stan County

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Commission. We have in attendance

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Commissioner Hadina online, Commissioner

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Hadler, Commissioner Man, Commissioner

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McCertie, Commissioner Winfield, myself,

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Commissioner Mccl, and our

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administrator Mark Tiner and

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administrator Paul. And with us today,

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we have um Bad Pock Design, Rob Codle,

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and we have Marcus Keller with

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>> Cruz, Associates, and Melissa Jeffers,

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our economic development.

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we're going to talk about. So, a few um

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months ago, the commission made a vote

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to go out to bid for an RFP on the

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county jail and

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um Becock Design was chosen by the

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subcommittee, the working group, and now

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they're here to present final report.

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Thank you. Thanks for coming. I

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appreciate you guys being here.

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Okay, I am going to start off just with

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a little bit of background to catch

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everyone up because it has been a few

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months since this project started. So,

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just give a little bit of background and

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then share a little bit about the rhythm

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and the cates and the schedule for this

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meeting and how we hope to be able to

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wrap things up to give everyone

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questions and answers. But just to go

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back a few months before this project

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started, there was a subcommittee

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working group that was voted on by the

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commission. So the broader commission

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may not be aware of the details of kind

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of how that project unfolded. The

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working group is really familiar because

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they had a regular cadence of meetings,

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but for everyone else, just give a

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really brief background.

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But uh I think that the commission and I

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wish I had an opportunity to go back and

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watch that meeting. I did not. But I

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want to say that there was universal

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agreement among the FE that we have some

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really significant challenges with our

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current jail that have to be addressed.

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They are not inconsequential. They are

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not substantial fixes that needed to be

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addressed. And that raised the question

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of whether or not a fixed guideway tax

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may be the appropriate way to address

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some of those challenges that needed to

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be met in whatever form those challenges

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were met. And the commission decided at

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that time or the majority of the

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commission decided by vote at that time

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that there just wasn't enough

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information to be able to have that

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discussion and that they would like some

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more time and some more information. So

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at that point the working group formed

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and a feasibility study went out for

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RFP. The purpose of that uh feasibility

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study was not to design anything to make

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decisions. It was literally to get just

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enough information without spending too

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many resources to be able to make that

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decision that we had enough information

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to be able to bank. So the feasibility

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study was to study physical feasibility

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meaning how could we address the

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challenges what could be built what's

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possible when you take it all the way to

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fullbrite. And then there's the

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financial feasibility component which is

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whatever decision is made what would it

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cost? How would it be funded? what would

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be some appropriate mechanisms that

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could be explored. So that RFP went out

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for bed. We received three proposals in

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the working group chose Babcock design

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as the author of that feasibility study

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working associates as our public finance

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partner and I have put it's in the

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packet and I have also put a printed

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piece for each of you with the bio of

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Rob from Babcock Design and you'll see

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why they were ultimately selected to be

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able to put this feasibility study

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together. uh just a list of some of the

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experience that they've had with both

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design and feasibility. The Iron County

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Sheriff's Complex, the Jab County

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Sheriff's Pro uh project, King County

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Community Outreach, San Pete County

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Sheriff's Complex, and the list just

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keeps going on. So, they are certainly

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very qualified and up to date with both

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the Skyway Tax as a project mechanism

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and then also uh the design aspects,

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feasibility aspects of those types of

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projects. So, the feasibility study was

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put together. The finance piece of the

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feasibility study was put together and

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they're here today to be able to present

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the findings of that, not as a decision

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or as a detailed analysis, but just

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here's what it could potentially look

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like if you want to explore this is a

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project and here's about what it might

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cost. So, they'll be able to share that

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information. And then one step further

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today, Mayor uh Mike Wender from Mil

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Creek City will be joining us remotely.

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The purpose of his joining us is that uh

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Mil Creek City has a very similar

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project to parts of the project that are

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being explored and he can speak to the

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capital stacks that were put together

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for those projects, the different

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funding mechanisms that they've employed

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because it's got some what four phases

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of the project with about five different

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capital staffs and has some of the most

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>> variability I guess that I've ever seen

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in some of these projects. And so I

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thought it might be instructive or

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informative to hear how this actually

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plays out in a practical on the ground

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project and then to be able to ask him

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questions as well. So with that uh I

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will kick it off to Babcock Design

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>> and the graphics are going to be on the

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>> Okay. Yeah. All right. Where where's the

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best place for me? It's better for me to

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stand up sit here or

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>> either way you can stand right there

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this microphone or you can sit down

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>> better so I can at least see Steve.

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» Uh, okay. So, thank you for having us.

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Um this has been uh something we've been

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working on for several months now as

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Melissa mentioned and um it it started

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out as primarily a feasibility study um

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for a replacement for the existing

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sheriff's office and jail to combine

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those into

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single um central facility that had new

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housing units housed all the functions

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for the sheriff's office as well as

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provided potential other uh features

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depending on budget of course such as uh

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emergency operations dispatcher 911 uh

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also even third party uh state and

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federal agencies. It's quite common in

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rural communities that the the county

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jail or the sheriff's complex has space

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for highway patrol uh adult probation

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and parole and uh sometimes drug court

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uh just depending on how each county

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does it. But the idea is is that uh it

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becomes you're taking all these

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functions that are kind of strewn about

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the county in in various buildings. You

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have different operations spread about.

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This is a very common problem. Um and by

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bringing them together in a new facility

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that um

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centralizes that communication, it

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becomes a more efficient and a more

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effective situation. There's also issues

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with things like central evidence

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storage and a central location for um

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search and rescue or things like that.

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So what you're going to see here, we we

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explored three different options. Um and

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um I'm just going to go through those

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fairly quickly. I know that Sheriff

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Wiggins is here. Nice to see you,

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Sheriff. Um

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if any specific questions on the jail

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and and the needs uh requirements or the

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needs assessment there, um it'd be great

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to have Sheriff Wiggins

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participate in that conversation. But

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the short version is is that your the

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current jail due to its age and um the

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time it went when it was designed which

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was late 80s early 90s um it's a very

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common layout um for a jail of that

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vintage. There was a whole series of

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county jails that were designed and

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constructed in the late 80s early 90s

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all throughout Utah. And we're seeing

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systematic um kind of repeat of the same

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scenario where the facilities are just

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they they're just old. They're kind of

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beat up. They're having infrastructure

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issues. Um so there's a lot of just

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general maintenance and kind of wear and

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tear issues. But beyond that and the

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most concerning issues of jails of that

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age are uh they not they do not meet ADA

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um and they don't conform to any current

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jail guidelines. Well, I shouldn't say

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they don't accord to any there's many

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jail guideline guidelines that they do

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not conform to. The other thing from an

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operations point of view is the way

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they're laid out. um they rely heavily

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on cameras for surveillance whereas

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modern facilities

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uh we do whatever we can to have line of

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sight wherever we can and to create

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layouts so that it's more efficient for

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uh the sheriff to staff the jail to be

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able to monitor the inmates um with the

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right number of people. But it's also a

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safety issue. If you have blind corners,

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kitchen's down the hall and around the

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corner and the only

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surveillance you have is a camera, by

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the time something happens, it's going

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to be too late. And so what we're seeing

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is throughout the state, um a lot of

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counties are finally having to confront

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the reality that it's time to do a new

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facility to because the li potential

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liability of some of these issues. um as

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time goes on uh starts to uh be more

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painful than than uh having to bite the

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bullet and build the new facility. So,

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um we could go real quick to the next

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So, these this is a feasibility study.

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drawings in the sense that we have floor

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plans and you're going to see some

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massing and three-dimensional um kind of

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representations of of shapes of

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different pieces of buildings. They are

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drawn to scale but this is not a design.

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We're not in design yet. The point of

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feasibility is really to establish the

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feasibility of the project to see okay

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this is the land we have to work with.

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these are the projects we're trying to

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do and does it work? Does can we fit it

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on the site? Does the circulation work?

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questions up front. So, it gives uh the

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commission the ammunition or the the

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information that they need to make a an

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now. Um, the building the mess in the

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lower left corner is the building that

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we're standing in now. Um, and so for

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the sake of this this study, we've kind

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of confined ourselves to this block.

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Next slide, please.

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So, an interesting would would it be

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possible to to make that full screen or

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blow it up or is that uh

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>> that's about as big as my Okay,

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>> thank you.

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>> I mean, I could zoom into certain areas.

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>> Yeah, that okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah,

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that that's

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>> Yeah. So,

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>> now we want

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>> Yeah. So, that's that's the existing uh

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site. Now, an interesting thing happened

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when we started this process. Uh, one of

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the first things we always do when we do

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a feasibility study is we go down and

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walk the site with the folks that live

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in the community, operate the jail, um,

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all the folks that are kind of the

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stakeholders, if you will, in a given

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project just to understand the lay of

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the land, see if we understand, you

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know, to physically walk the property.

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We're looking for topography issues.

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We're looking for is the is the sheer

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shape of the site

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something we can work with. And as we

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were walking it, we we started talking

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about some of the how how this project

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fits into the overall fabric of Moab,

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the unique nature of the of the tourism

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that obviously drives one of the major

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economic engine Moab. And one of those

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issues that um came up was that parking

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is a major problem in Moab. and having

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parking that is within reasonable

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proximity to center street or Main

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Street, excuse me. Um, and so as we were

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looking at the site, it appeared there

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was an opportunity to

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uh come up with a concept for a parking

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structure that could fit on the site

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that would basically go in the northeast

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the west half northeast corner that

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would have somewhere between two and 300

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parking stalls. But on the ground floor,

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because of the the

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pedestrian nature of the community,

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although, you know, there's shops

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everywhere, a lot of the shops and

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experience in Moab bleeds into the

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blocks to the east and the west of Main

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Street. And so on the ground floor

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looking at what if we did a a retail

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commercial

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use on the ground floor so that the

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experience at the pedestrian level is

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something that uh allows to continue

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that sort of uh continuation of those

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sorts of uses whether it's restaurants,

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office space, shops, whatever it may be.

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So uh we we didn't start out planning on

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putting a parking garage in there. So I

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wanted to give a little context for why

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that's there. For the sake of this

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study, they are two separate projects.

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However, um but because they share a

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common site and there's um

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you know common functions and timing and

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things like that, we want we we're

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showing it as part of this study to help

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communicate the big ideas. So in this version up the oddly shaped

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building in the upper right hand corner

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that would be the new public safety

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building and the and it's semi-ircular

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shape would be it's a would be a housing

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pod for right now that is sized for 120

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beds. Um

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what 120 beds provides for uh Grand

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County is not only the capacity to um

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house

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uh the local inmate population that

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they're required to to take care of. Um

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for those of you that don't under don't

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know this, um the state of Utah, the

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county sheriff is under constitutional

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guidelines that it's their

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responsibility to house uh all of the

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inmates

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u from from your county. And it's it's

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constantly a challenge because um

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especially in rural areas just because

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of issues with the cost of these

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facilities. So, the other the other

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thing that's interesting about uh the

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jail operations in the state of Utah is

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that the Department of Corrections uh

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from the prison actually will uh they will contract out groups of inmates

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to county jails throughout the state.

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And I can't remember the current number.

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It's 1,600ish

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it um is how many are dispersed at

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various jails. Now what that means is

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these are these are folks who have been

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convicted, adjudicated and sentenced and

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they're uh they have to be part of a

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certain population a lower risk

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population that they don't send uh the

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worst of the worst out to be to be

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housed in community jails.

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A lot of them are drug and sex

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offenders, geriatrics, things like that.

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Um, and that sounds a little scary, but

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the reality is is that um if you provide

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the necessary programs in your jail,

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those those inmate populations are

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actually um easier to take care of

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because they're nonviolent for the most

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part and majority of them are there to

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do their time and to go through the

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programming. what why they would go to a

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county facility is the state will will

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pay a pdeium to the to the county jail

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to house the inmates which is less than

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what it cost them to do it but it it's

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more money than what it cost the county

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to provide that service. So, it does

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generate some revenue and pretty much

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the majority of the county jails in the

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state of Utah, other than the the really

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large ones like uh Weber County, Salt

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Lake County, Davis County, Utah County,

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they don't typically have a lot of um

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contract inmates. They have some, but

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they don't have a lot because they're in

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a urban metro uh area. But in these

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rural areas, um, every major jail has

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anywhere between,

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uh, a couple dozen to several hundred. I

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believe Beaver is up around 300. So,

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when we talk about beds, this is just

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this is a fairly conservative size. This

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is 120 beds.

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You can it's it's scalable if the

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community were to decide that there was

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a benefit.

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um to going larger to have the

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capability to provide for contract beds.

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Um that's certainly the county's option.

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Um so I want to sorry that was kind of a

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long-winded explanation for that

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background about that. I

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>> I think it's important for context to

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let uh folks know how many beds we

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currently have in in our jail right here

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uh couple hundred yards that way.

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>> Yeah. Is it 64?

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Yeah, 64 beds. And that's that is that

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maximum. Yeah. And um

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the idea is here that the 120 would

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provide definitely the coverage for 64

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plus um a buffer and to add growth.

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Obviously these facilities are quite

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expensive relatively speaking. So um you

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want to have a facility that's going to

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give you 40 or 50 years hopefully.

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And you also have this is also laid out

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such that there are six different day

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rooms. So it gives the sheriff uh

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[clears throat] and the jail commander

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more flexibility with how they uh

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segregate the population. For those of

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you that don't know, when when some when

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somebody gets booked into jail,

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everybody just doesn't go into one big

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room. uh your each inmate is is

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classified and goes through a a process

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of understanding where which population

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they belong in so you don't have the

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wrong people with the wrong group. Um so

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what you have here um the the round

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shape option is the housing unit the

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where the number one is that is the on

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the ground floor it would be all the

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jail functions uh that that basically

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provide support for the jail. So it's

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kitchen laundry. It's the vehicle Sally

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port work. You come in. In fact, if you

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want to advance the slide.

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[clears throat]

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So

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let's see. Go one more forward, please,

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if you if you don't mind. Uh one more.

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Oh, there it is.

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And you can just zoom out just to just

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click. So, this is not the design, but

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this is a an adjacency diagram that kind

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of shows all the functions that happen

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inside of the jail. There's a lot that

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goes on in the jail uh that most people

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don't realize, but you are housing, if

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you're housing 120 inmates or even 100,

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you're talking about three 350 350 meals

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a day. Um, so it's three meals a day

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plus a plus a factor on top of that. Um,

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so you have a full-time kitchen and you

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have full-time laundry. The laundry in

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the kitchen's usually housed by inmates.

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Um, it's set up such that um,

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you have a central control room that has

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visual surveillance down these straight

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hallways. So central control can see

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down the hallways all the way to pod the

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pod. This is the the housing pod, but

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can also see into

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You have, you know, glass on the on the

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windows here. Laundrying kitchen.

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Inmates usually are the primary labor

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force in in the jail laundrying kitchen.

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They're your lower risk inmates, but

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they're still inmates. So, having that

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um surveillance is important. Uh but it

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also houses all the booking intake.

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Um houses all the inmate property. You

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have a vehicle sally port, which is

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basically a very large garage with

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high-speed doors where if somebody's

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being brought to jail, they go in the

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sally port, the doors closed. It's a secure situation. Then they're

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brought into intake and processed and

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they're either going to bail out at this

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point or they're going to be spending

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the night in jail. Um, Granford also has

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uh the sheriff's office has his staff

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that uh works in the jail

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and he has patrol staff, he has

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detective staff. Um,

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not forgetting anybody, sheriff. Those

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are basically the three big groups. But

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we always uh we recommend having the the

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jail admin, the jail staff be on the

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ground floor and it's a matter of just

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going into the security. This is all

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secure. Um, inside this facility,

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there's a public lobby that uh, and

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we're showing a drug court with a

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visitation area, but drug courts where

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somebody goes if they're on a court

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mandated test, you know, if they have to

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do a daily drug test or periodic drug

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test. Um, but the public has access to

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be able to come in here, interact with

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the sheriff's office, um, you know, put

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money, boards and inmates, uh, accounts

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for their of this area and things like

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that. But also, um, there is a little

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bit of visitation. There is no contact

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visitation in in this in these jails

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these days. Um the only visitation

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that's actually face to face is usually

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between an attorney and an inmate. The

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rest of the visitation is is done with

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video. So there's a scheduled time where

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uh whoever wants to make the visitation

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can remotely dial into a secure site and

542
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,600
there's a a visitation screen unit on

543
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,080
usually in the day room uh for the

544
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,159
inmate to be able to have video

545
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:11,840
visitation. So the idea is is to have

546
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:18,799
less movements of inmates from place to place. The most dangerous

547
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,600
um time for someone from the sheriff's

548
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,840
office is transporting moving a prisoner

549
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080
from point A to point B, especially if

550
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000
you're outside. Um and so anything you

551
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,000
can do to minimize the movements.

552
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320
um this programming

553
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,159
uh what I'm talking about there is those

554
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,400
are the those are uh multi-purpose

555
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,840
spaces that um allow for church

556
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,760
services, education, drug treatment, um

557
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240
library. The idea is is that they are

558
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,799
multi-purpose. Um volunteers from the

559
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,000
community usually will bring in

560
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,400
religious services or conduct an AA

561
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200
meeting. uh you know psychological

562
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159
counseling or drug counseling, addiction

563
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:04,240
counseling can happen there. In the case

564
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,039
of like uh say a sex offenders group, um

565
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,880
they have a very specific program they

566
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,240
have to go through that's mandated by

567
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,240
the state before they're allowed to be

568
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,159
released. So having space for that is

569
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:19,520
very important. So and this is we have

570
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,960
not changed this in each of these

571
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,039
options, but I felt it was important

572
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,799
that you kind of understood the lay of

573
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,279
land. Uh next slide, please.

574
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,000
So on the this is just a kind of a 3D

575
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,559
cutaway of the same thing. Um what

576
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,480
you're seeing here would be the ground

577
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,679
floor retail along 100 east going up to

578
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:42,559
100 north and um with the public safety

579
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:46,559
building back here. Next slide.

580
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,640
And then on on the top floor um is

581
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520
basically just an office building. It's

582
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,400
it sits on top of the the secure jail.

583
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,840
It's the sheriff's office. It's

584
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,320
everything that under the sheriff's

585
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,360
office uh operation is housed here. So,

586
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,520
it's it's all of the the private

587
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,159
offices, the business offices of of the

588
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,480
sheriff along with conference rooms. But

589
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,559
more importantly, it's where uh evidence is stored and processed and

590
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,880
analyzed. There's typically a small

591
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,720
crime lab in there. You have your

592
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,000
patrol. You have deputies uh here to

593
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,720
training areas both classroom type

594
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,440
training but also physical training. Uh

595
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,000
there's usually a gym space uh so that

596
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,520
you know just with some weights and some

597
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,520
cardio type stuff and a small locker

598
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,799
room. The idea is is to have everything

599
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,279
all contained in one area. It's quite

600
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,640
common in these facilities if it's

601
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080
relevant to the local community to put

602
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,240
either dispatch

603
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,279
or and 911 in this building if you if

604
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,960
it's not being held somewhere else or if

605
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,880
you want to bring it into the jail, but

606
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840
also have space that's typically a large

607
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,440
multi-purpose space that can be

608
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,279
converted to a emergency operation

609
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,279
center if you have a natural disaster or

610
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,520
major situation going on, which creates

611
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,039
a command center for the sheriff to

612
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,799
operate from.

613
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,320
Next slide, please.

614
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,480
So, this is just a a 3D view of that

615
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,159
second level, kind of showing how that

616
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:21,679
works.

617
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:24,080
Next slide.

618
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,960
So, that was option A. Option B, um, one

619
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,720
of the other things that we talked about

620
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,159
was um, taking taking inmates to and

621
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,799
from court. In a lot of cases, you can

622
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,159
do it video. You can do video

623
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,919
arraignment in certain cases, but

624
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:42,320
sometimes they they do need to go before

625
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,279
the judge. And again, transporting

626
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,000
is it's done all the time, but if if

627
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,120
there's a way that you don't have to

628
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,720
take them out of the jail to get them to

629
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,640
the court, that would be great. So what

630
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520
we're this concept basically shows a new

631
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
courtroom building that has a a ground

632
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
floor piece and a second floor piece

633
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,799
that connects with the that would be

634
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,039
adjacent to the sheriff's office that

635
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,120
would create a physical connection

636
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,399
between the the jail and the courts so

637
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,640
that inmates would just be brought

638
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,159
through the jail into a secure holding

639
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,640
area so that they could then go before

640
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,679
the judge and if they if they prevail

641
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:22,960
failed, then they get to go out the

642
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,240
front door. And if they don't, they go

643
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,039
back in the door they came from. Um, but

644
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,720
that's that's really the primary

645
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,039
difference of this scheme here is to

646
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:35,760
show uh, you know, a a court situation

647
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,120
where we're trying to get the county

648
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,640
attorneys, both courtrooms and all the

649
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
associate spaces, but also on the top

650
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,679
floor having having that adjacency so

651
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,760
that there is direct communication

652
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,279
between the county attorney and the

653
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,720
sheriff's office. uh basically sharing

654
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,919
same floor plan. So just facilitates

655
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:00,630
that. Next slide please.

656
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200
And again this is the same diagram

657
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320
except for uh this quartz down on the

658
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,399
bottom and then the quartz piece on the

659
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:12,960
top go up and over be twice as big.

660
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,559
Again, not a design yet. Just uh from a

661
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,159
scale point of view, that's about how

662
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,320
much square feet we're talking about.

663
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Next slide.

664
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Uh, next slide.

665
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Another 3D cut. This is that second

666
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,200
floor showing the relationship between

667
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,080
the courtroom of the sheriff's or the courthouse and attorney spaces and

668
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
the and the sheriff's office space. Next

669
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,960
slide.

670
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,520
And next slide.

671
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,039
Finally,

672
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:50,320
um the the last version is uh if if the

673
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,120
parking structure idea

674
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
uh doesn't have doesn't have legs, if it

675
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
doesn't go anywhere, the other option is

676
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,520
to we looked at was okay, what does that mean? Now, so in this in

677
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520
this instance, we're taking the the same

678
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,200
building basically the same footprint.

679
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,080
We're flipping it and we're running it

680
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,600
along 100 east here and then we're

681
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,200
suggesting

682
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,640
a new potential new corp

683
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,279
is that touch screen.

684
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,640
>> Yeah.

685
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Wow. Um

686
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,919
we're suggesting a conceptual idea of a

687
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,080
new courtroom here that would be

688
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,279
connected to the jail. Um, and it you

689
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,279
can see it's a much more compact

690
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,320
relationship. Obviously, by not building

691
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,919
a a parking garage, um, being if you

692
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,240
talk total cost, it's it's clearly not

693
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,440
the same because you're not building a

694
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,279
parking garage. However, um, there's a

695
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,399
great opportunity with with the idea of

696
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:56,399
being able to activate the street and

697
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:58,880
actually kind of put the jail or push it

698
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,039
back into the block.

699
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:07,440
uh both um for perception. Um it for

700
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,120
perception

701
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,120
concerns, if you want to call that, but

702
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360
it also uh some of the more secure

703
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,640
functions uh can be more inboard and uh

704
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,360
easily more easily um accessed and

705
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200
serviced by the sheriff's office. But

706
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,039
there's a lot of configurations that can

707
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,880
happen. And again, we're not in design

708
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960
yet. So, we're just really trying to

709
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,600
establish that things fit. All right.

710
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,000
So,

711
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,039
shifting gears to the next slide,

712
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,360
we wanted to talk about what this

713
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,880
parking garage could be. Um, parking

714
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880
garages aren't typically known for their

715
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,200
beauty. Um, they're very utilitarian.

716
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Um, however, there are ways um that we

717
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
can incorporate some simple elements

718
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,559
that not only are functional but also aesthetically pleasing. These

719
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,360
are just some uh precedent image kind of

720
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,200
uh inspirational ideas of uh some ways

721
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,399
that folks have screened uh upper floor

722
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:18,240
masses um to help with the look but also

723
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640
to provide some shading. Uh, next slide

724
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,559
please.

725
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,919
So, this is a rendering. Uh, can you

726
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:27,919
maybe

727
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,880
uh zoom out just a click if you would?

728
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,960
So, this is a view from

729
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
you're looking from the northwest corner

730
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360
to the southeast. You're across the

731
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,720
street. You have 100 100 east and 100

732
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,640
north. And the idea is is you have this

733
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,799
all along the bottom of the parking

734
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,120
garage is where you have that retail

735
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440
space. You would enter into the parking

736
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,000
in back ramp up so that by the time you

737
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,279
got to the other end, you're on the

738
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,399
second level, but it creates a whole

739
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:04,960
space underneath which could be um

740
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,120
easily used for uh retail, commercial,

741
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,159
uh professional spaces. And you can see

742
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,559
this is just a very quick rendering idea

743
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,200
that we came up with that by having a

744
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,919
very transparent ground floor, it's very

745
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:23,279
inviting, it's very active, um it would

746
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,960
really activate the street and draw more

747
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,919
attention. We're we're suggesting like a

748
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:29,440
perforated

749
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,080
uh Corten steel, which is that rusted

750
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,679
looking steel um screening here. Not

751
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,120
only because we're trying to screen the

752
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,799
cars a little bit, but there's an

753
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,559
opportunity here where you can do

754
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,279
branding in in these panels where I we

755
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,960
actually give them digital files and

756
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,240
they'll they'll water jet holes in the

757
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640
panel so that if you wanted, you know,

758
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,720
some sort of slogan about Moab or if you

759
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,960
just wanted some imagery on that, you

760
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,399
can you could dress it up or you can

761
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:02,720
leave it alone. but it really also

762
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,559
serves as a sun shade which you

763
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,960
obviously need down here a good part of

764
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
the year. And we're also suggesting that

765
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,480
it might not be a bad idea on the top

766
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,000
level to do a kind of a canopy cover

767
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,520
over the cars and potentially you could

768
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,320
even do solar on the top of that.

769
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,679
Um I think that's it.

770
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,679
Sorry that that was very longwinded. I

771
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,359
apologize for uh if I ran a little long.

772
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:33,599
Um, do I take questions now or should we

773
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:34,079
>> Okay,

774
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,200
>> so Marcus on financial next and then

775
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,760
Mayor Winder and then a Q&A session

776
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,359
through the three of them together.

777
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:47,669
>> Thank you,

778
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,599
» Wayne. I just sent you over a PDF

779
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,359
version of the presentation if that's a

780
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:52,560
little easier to

781
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960
>> Where's your glasses, Rob? Right. Thank

782
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,599
you. Couldn't seem without my glasses.

783
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,760
I'm with [laughter] you.

784
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,280
While Quinn's getting that pulled up,

785
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440
just by introduction, Marcus Keller with

786
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,119
Cruz and Associates. We're happy to be

787
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,440
here. We're happy to discuss the Mass

788
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Fix Guideway sales tax levy. Uh, and uh,

789
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,240
we'll go over a lot of the history

790
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,920
there. A lot of this may be repeat

791
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,240
information, so I apologize. I will try

792
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,760
to move through it rather quickly to

793
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,839
give Mike plenty of time to talk on his

794
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:22,000
subject as well as to make sure we have

795
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,680
plenty of time for a Q&A session. Um but

796
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,200
we uh we think uh few little differences

797
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,880
that have changed since the last time we

798
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,400
presented. I think probably about a year

799
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,240
or so ago since we first started these

800
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,960
discussions but um yeah excited to be

801
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,119
here and uh go over this because you

802
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:40,960
know these are wonderful pictures and

803
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,400
wonderful buildings but if we don't have

804
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
a way to pay for it then uh it's just a

805
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,880
lot of pretty artwork. So hopefully we

806
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,880
can go over that today and uh give

807
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,720
everyone the the answers that they're

808
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,359
looking for here. So the fixed guideway

809
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,000
sales tax or as we call it 2216

810
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,240
throughout the presentation that's the

811
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,960
section in code that it's related to is

812
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,880
a sales tax that's been around for a

813
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
long time but um if we go to the next

814
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,320
slide it was a tax that was changed uh

815
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160
in 2024 to help with this exact issue.

816
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960
So for many years uh smaller counties

817
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,720
across the state have tried to

818
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,560
understand or try to figure out how they

819
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
are going to pay for their largest

820
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,119
capital expenditure which is when they

821
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,200
have to either remodel or replace their

822
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,040
jails. Um this will in most cases be the

823
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040
largest expenditure that Grand County

824
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,200
ever has to figure out how to pay for I

825
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,760
would imagine. And so what we did was we

826
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,520
worked with the state legislature to

827
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480
help revise this section of code so that

828
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,920
uh counties of the third through the

829
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,079
sixth class could access this additional

830
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,640
sales tax levy and to mandate that it

831
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,720
had to be used for public safety. And in

832
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,760
most cases they are being used for the

833
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680
replacement of their gels. As was

834
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,240
mentioned Iron County recently did this

835
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,599
I want to say about a year and a half

836
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,320
ago, two years ago to replace their gel

837
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,800
and that was a very large project.

838
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,480
again, the largest project Iron County

839
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,640
will ever have to pay for. But because

840
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,320
of this sales tax, they were able to

841
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880
afford that and then move forward with

842
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,800
that new construction and avoid a lot of

843
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
the issues that come from an old jail

844
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,920
that I won't get into right now. But um

845
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480
so we've updated the code and so this is

846
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440
the option and in my opinion the best

847
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,599
option at least for the taxpayers of

848
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,760
Grand County. And I'll go into those

849
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,520
details on why I believe that's the

850
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,800
case. But so we'll refer to this as uh

851
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,160
sales tax Q216 or the massix guideway

852
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,720
sales tax or public safety sales tax. I

853
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,480
hear I guess a lot of different words to

854
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,670
describe it. Uh next slide please.

855
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,440
Perfect. So again that's just a little

856
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,680
information um if anyone's ever curious

857
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160
on what this code would entail. So, one

858
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,680
thing I do want to point out is this

859
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,119
sales tax is for the 30%

860
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,920
or just a little less than onethird of

861
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,240
1% that it would increase the county

862
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,359
sales tax across the entire area. So,

863
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:07,280
not just within unincorporated county,

864
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,400
but both for incorporated um municipal

865
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,560
as well as unincorporated county to draw

866
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
on this sales tax. Again, it has to be

867
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,880
used for public safety. So, this would

868
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,160
be only and restricted to public safety.

869
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,920
Could it be used for anything outside

870
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,920
that definition? A lot of things we've

871
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,079
seen it be used for is specifically for

872
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,320
gel projects. Sometimes it's used for

873
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480
EMS. Sometimes it's used for things

874
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,880
along that nature, but um typically

875
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,480
we've seen counties with such a great

876
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,400
capital being using it for their gel

877
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,000
projects. And it isn't uh assessed on

878
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320
grocery food sales or unprepared food

879
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,040
which again as a resident or as

880
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,240
residents would probably like to know

881
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,160
how this will affect them knowing that

882
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,599
it's not going to affect them at the

883
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,760
grocery store. One of the essential

884
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,440
things that we wanted to make sure was

885
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
included as part of this legislation. Uh

886
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,040
next slide please.

887
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,200
So, I went ahead and updated what the

888
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,440
sales tax would look like for the county

889
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160
and across the area if this were to be

890
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,119
included. So, if you look the MF or the

891
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,760
Mass Fix Guideways, what that stands for

892
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,079
is the section highlighted there at that

893
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,599
point 30. And then at the very far end

894
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,640
would be the total sales tax levy for

895
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,440
all parts of the county um if this were

896
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,599
to be enacted. So you could see all the

897
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,280
different sales tax levies that are

898
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,079
currently within the county boundaries.

899
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,520
Uh next slide please.

900
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,359
This is what it would look like if in

901
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:38,480
acted. It would increase it to 7.65%

902
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,119
and this across the state shows you what

903
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,880
uh nearly every county that has the mass

904
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,359
additional mass transit or the fixed

905
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,839
guideway tax. Um state law doesn't allow

906
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:52,480
you to have both. It's an either or. And

907
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,200
so this is the comparable counties uh

908
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,520
across the state that have one or the

909
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920
other of these levies u included within

910
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,320
their sales tax. And then Grand County

911
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,680
being at the top there with the

912
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,440
asterisk.

913
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,030
Uh next slide.

914
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,240
This is why a slide I included from my

915
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,839
prior presentation, but I thought it was

916
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:16,240
important to see uh the growth of

917
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,440
taxable sales in Grand County. Uh why I

918
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,520
say that it will be less impactful to

919
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,440
the taxpayers even though you would pay

920
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
this as you go out to restaurants and

921
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,760
different things is Grand County is uh

922
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,599
in a lot of ways what we refer to as a

923
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,560
destination area. Um so a lot of people

924
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,640
are coming from outside Grand County to

925
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,320
visit it and use your hotels, your

926
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,160
restaurants, other services that they

927
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,240
would be contributing to your taxable

928
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,760
sales or your sales tax. And so this is

929
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,079
the alternative of what we've seen being

930
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,680
proposed to fund jails, which is

931
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,079
property tax, where a 100% of that

932
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,000
burden falls onto the shoulders of the

933
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,320
taxpayers within Grand County. So we

934
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
feel like this option with the sales tax

935
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,400
gets split not only between the

936
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,240
residents of Grand County, but those

937
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,920
that get to enjoy all the benefits of

938
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,160
Grand County uh and get to to uh use all

939
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,000
these different facilities. Hopefully

940
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,560
not the jail facility, but suppose

941
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,880
that's what it's here for. So anyway, so

942
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,560
I just wanted to really emphasize that

943
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
as your taxable sales grow and as you

944
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,800
grow as a county, this levy will

945
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,560
continue to produce additional revenue,

946
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,720
which is important because it'll produce

947
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,640
revenue that continues to be dedicated

948
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,280
and restricted for public safety. So,

949
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680
the hope is that as this uh sales tax

950
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,800
levy is put into place that your public

951
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,640
safety line items here at the county

952
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
will hopefully be taken care of for the

953
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,480
foreseeable future, particularly with

954
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,160
the financing of your large capital

955
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,800
infrastructure needs. Uh, next slide,

956
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
please.

957
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:48,160
Uh this is a outline we put together to

958
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,240
show you what your uh revenues would

959
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,839
have looked like and are projected to

960
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:54,400
look like uh using uh conservative

961
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,160
estimates based off historical

962
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
collections within your taxable sales.

963
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,640
So if the county had adopted this in

964
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,960
2024, we would have collected an

965
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,079
additional 1.9 million. In 25 just over

966
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,480
2 million and then in 2026 we would

967
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,160
estimate it would still be roughly in

968
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,880
that same range, maybe a 2% increase.

969
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,040
And then if you go down to the green, if

970
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,119
this is were to be activated within this

971
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,040
calendar year, we anticipate that full

972
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,880
collections would start at the beginning

973
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,960
of next calendar year. So January of

974
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200
2027 and these are the revenue

975
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,079
projections we would show uh to be start

976
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,200
to be collected as that tax is in place

977
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,280
as well as taxable sales increase

978
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,040
slightly. I think this is actually a

979
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,280
very conservative estimate. Um it could

980
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
potentially be much higher. Uh, a lot of

981
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,920
this is based off economic factors that

982
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,160
we don't have any control over, but at

983
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,760
the end of the day, we like to use

984
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,520
conservative estimates to not over

985
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,319
project or overpromise. But this is a I

986
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:51,920
think a helpful slide to show those

987
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,599
additional revenues coming into the

988
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:58,390
county. Uh, next slide.

989
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Uh, coverage projections. So, as we've

990
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560
looked at different jail projects and

991
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,720
different financing models here, we we

992
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,400
have to figure out a way to pay for it.

993
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Our goal would be to use only the 2216

994
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,760
to help pay for that jail or to pay for

995
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,240
the entirety of that project. And so as

996
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,920
we're putting together coverage to help

997
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,079
with the ratings and interest rates to get the county as best credit as

998
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,400
possible, if you notice on that second

999
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,800
to last column on the right, the STB

1000
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040
2027 debt service, which stands for

1001
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,280
sales tax revenue bonds, that's what

1002
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,880
we're projecting the debt service to be

1003
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,720
based off our numbers and estimates that

1004
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,640
we'll go over shortly. So, as you

1005
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,720
notice, we're only running this at a max

1006
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,000
of 1.9 um to be very conservative with

1007
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560
the estimates and to also maintain good

1008
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,319
coverage and to not overburden the

1009
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,560
county. So, again, our main goal is to

1010
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640
find you the most efficient and cheapest

1011
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
form of financing if you were to move

1012
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,880
forward with this sales tax, but most

1013
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,880
importantly, never to put the county in

1014
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,880
a situation where they don't they're

1015
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,960
spending funds that they do not have.

1016
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,720
And so, that's why our projections are

1017
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,359
based off this currently.

1018
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:06,560
Uh, next slide.

1019
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,839
Uh, just to kind of put it into

1020
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,200
perspective what that would look like

1021
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,839
for taxpayers if this same 1.9 million

1022
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:13,839
of revenue were to be done as a property

1023
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,720
tax increase. Uh, it would be roughly a

1024
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,319
28.62%

1025
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:21,359
change within the levy itself. Or on a

1026
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:24,240
$450,000 primary residential home, it

1027
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,760
would increase it by about $120 a year.

1028
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,480
are on that same uh value for b business

1029
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,599
$219 a year to generate those same

1030
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,599
amounts of revenues. I thought that's

1031
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,920
important because again as it was

1032
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,599
mentioned earlier jails have to be

1033
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,280
maintained. They have to be upkept by

1034
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,960
the county per the Utah state

1035
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,200
constitution. The only other form of

1036
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,119
financing really available to counties

1037
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,720
is property tax. And so we don't want

1038
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,640
this. I don't think taxpayers typically

1039
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,839
want this scenario. And so sales tax, as

1040
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:57,760
mentioned earlier, in my opinion, is is

1041
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,920
the best way to share that burden with

1042
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,599
people that live outside of Graham

1043
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,280
County as well and get to come and visit

1044
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,200
it. So just thought that would be an

1045
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,119
interesting slide to to bring up as

1046
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,400
well. Uh next slide, please.

1047
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,040
Um so currently right now, uh for the

1048
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,240
next slide, we're we're running

1049
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,240
scenarios based off a sheriff's complex

1050
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,960
and courts and county attorney offices.

1051
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800
uh based off estimates we've been given,

1052
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,000
it's in that $30 million range. So, if

1053
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,400
we go down to the next slide, I believe

1054
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,359
we should have a uh let's go down one

1055
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:32,400
more, sorry, we should have a summary.

1056
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,040
So based off that $ 1.9 million debt

1057
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,119
service and based off different bonding

1058
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,839
or financing scenarios we're running,

1059
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:41,200
we're showing that the county could

1060
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440
generate depending on and again these

1061
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,319
are hypotheticals or scenarios that we

1062
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:47,760
have based off current market

1063
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,760
conditions. We're showing that the

1064
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,440
county could raise just based off the

1065
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,960
2216 sales tax roughly $29.6 million to

1066
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,839
we'll say $31.5 million just based off

1067
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,000
current estimates. If we could ever get

1068
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,520
interest rates to start coming back

1069
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,560
down, those numbers would improve uh and

1070
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,960
go up slightly, but that 1.9 million

1071
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,880
would remain the same. Again, our

1072
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,800
biggest concern is making sure we do not

1073
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
overburden the county. So, anyway, so

1074
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,200
that does put it in line with the

1075
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,280
numbers that we've seen from the Babcock

1076
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,319
team on projected dollar amounts to be

1077
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:24,800
able to afford this jail project. It may

1078
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,800
not afford everything, all the projects

1079
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,800
that are discussed tonight, but it's the

1080
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,160
essential ones, which I think is the

1081
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,520
most important ones. And so, anyways, uh

1082
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680
I I just wanted to end with that. I

1083
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,760
don't believe I have any more slides,

1084
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,079
Quinn, unless there's just Okay,

1085
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,160
disclosures, all the fun lawyer stuff.

1086
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,760
So, anyways, I'll go ahead and stop

1087
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,440
there. I know I've taken too much time,

1088
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,520
but uh I'll go ahead and sit down and uh

1089
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,359
let turn it over to Mike and wait for

1090
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:56,630
any questions.

1091
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,680
All right. We have with us Mike Winder

1092
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,680
from

1093
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,319
um back Mil Creek.

1094
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:05,680
>> Mil Creek. Yep.

1095
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,760
>> Yeah. So, he's here to talk to us about

1096
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,000
some unique financing they did up in Mil

1097
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Creek.

1098
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:13,359
>> Thank you. Great to be before the the

1099
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:15,200
Grand County Commission. I apologize I'm

1100
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,119
not there in person. Uh busy schedules

1101
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,599
up here in Mil Creek. I appreciate uh

1102
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,280
being introduced earlier on the agenda

1103
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,040
as mayor. I used to be the mayor of West

1104
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,359
Valley City. Some of you remember when I

1105
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:26,800
was in the state legislature and

1106
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,560
currently I' I've gone to the dark side,

1107
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,000
the light side, depending on how you

1108
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
call it, the staff side as as city

1109
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,160
manager here in Mil Creek. But we've

1110
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,760
done some amazing things with our city

1111
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,000
center here at Mil Creek Common. And so

1112
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,760
I've been asked to just take 10 minutes

1113
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,240
and share what we've done. Um so maybe

1114
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,400
this is inspirational or or

1115
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,079
perspirational. I'm not sure which. So

1116
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:48,720
let me share my screen here.

1117
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,800
The host has disabled participant screen

1118
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,920
sharing. Is there any way I can

1119
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,920
>> Oh, here we go. Okay, now I'm now I'm

1120
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,319
in.

1121
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,319
All right. And I'm going to go rapid

1122
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:03,280
fire, you guys, just to

1123
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,000
uh just to give you a taste. So, Mil

1124
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,040
Creek is we're in the east bench of Salt

1125
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Lake City, Salt Lake County, just south

1126
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,839
of Salt Lake City. We have Olympus Cove

1127
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,200
all the way to the Jordan Rivers. You

1128
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,720
can see our neighbors, South Salt Lake,

1129
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,640
Holiday, Murray, even Taylor'sville and

1130
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,359
West Valley. Our main city center when

1131
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,359
we incorporated looked like this. You

1132
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:25,040
had some vacant buildings, an auto

1133
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,559
repair shop. This is, for those of you

1134
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,960
who may know, 33rd South, Highland

1135
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,280
Drive, and 13th East, just east of the

1136
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,839
Brickyard. After a few years at it, it's

1137
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:36,880
now transformed to look like this. And

1138
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,640
we're really excited with our city

1139
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,000
center efforts, and there may be some

1140
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,240
lessons here that can help Grand County

1141
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,200
as well. Um, so we we master planned

1142
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,800
this so it's centered around a common

1143
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
open space that we call Mil Creek Common

1144
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,359
and we've entitled over 1,800

1145
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,520
residential units, nearly 300,000 square

1146
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,240
ft of commercial. Uh, we have parking in

1147
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,319
here and numerous events programmed all

1148
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,559
throughout the year. Urban living is

1149
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,000
important. Uh, it's important to have

1150
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,160
people that live there and work there.

1151
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,079
It's important to have daytime traffic

1152
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,240
and nighttime traffic, lunch for the

1153
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,040
restaurants and dinner as well. And so

1154
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,800
we we have worked to attract apartments

1155
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,559
and increasingly condominiums for

1156
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:17,599
ownership to this area. Uh for example,

1157
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,520
right next door is a lovely apartment

1158
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,000
building high-end that just opened uh

1159
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,880
earlier this month where uh we have

1160
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,640
ground flooror retail. Now what's

1161
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,920
special about this one is they're

1162
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,760
sharing a parking garage with city hall.

1163
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,960
You can see that behind the swimming

1164
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,280
pool there and I'll I'll touch on that

1165
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,319
here in a moment. So Mil Creek Common is

1166
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,960
winter fun, largest outdoor ice in Utah.

1167
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,800
It's ice skating in the winter and it's

1168
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,400
roller skating in the summer. We also

1169
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,319
have a splash pad there. We have a

1170
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,920
climbing wall on the side of Mil Creek

1171
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,839
City Hall, largest outdoor climbing wall

1172
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,760
in Utah. And again, we have numerous

1173
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,920
events there throughout the year. So,

1174
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,520
first of all, what paid for Mil Creek

1175
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,119
Common? We formed a community

1176
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:56,960
reinvestment area. You're familiar, of

1177
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,760
course, with CRAAS and RDAs. We did a

1178
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,359
$20 million uh bond. It was sales tax

1179
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,040
backed because that's how you get the

1180
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,880
lowest interest rate. But our internal

1181
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,040
repayment is from the tax increment from

1182
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,119
that community reinvestment area. All

1183
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,720
these developers coming in to build

1184
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,720
office buildings and apartments say

1185
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,240
you're a CRA. Can I have some tax

1186
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,319
increment financing? And on all them

1187
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,400
we've said, "Nope. All the tiff is going

1188
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,400
towards paying back that bond, but you

1189
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,760
still want to come anyway because of

1190
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
this amazing public infrastructure." We

1191
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,079
were also able to get some grant support

1192
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,240
during CO and a half million dollar Utah

1193
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,760
outdoor recreation grant to pay for the

1194
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,800
skate loop. U the Salt Lake Tribune last

1195
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,480
year said, "Is this Utah's coolest city

1196
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,319
hall?" And we're biased, of course, we

1197
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:40,319
think it is, but it is fun to have a

1198
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,559
public market on the ground floor and to

1199
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,480
have a reception center, the Grand View

1200
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,800
on the sixth floor and to have farmers

1201
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,800
markets and different events going on.

1202
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,319
When we built this, the public didn't

1203
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,559
squawk and say, "This is a Taj Mahal for

1204
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,960
planners." They said, "Wow, there's

1205
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,559
actually something in it for us, a true

1206
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,960
community center." Uh, so what paid for

1207
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,559
city hall? We did a $39 million bond.

1208
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,800
And in this case, it's our interest. The

1209
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,880
good news is we have a pretty low

1210
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,880
interest rate because of when we did it.

1211
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,319
But our residents agreed that we're

1212
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:12,160
better to own than to rent. Before we

1213
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,440
were in a strip mall, an old uh we call

1214
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,040
it the city hall dollar because it's an

1215
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,119
old Dollar Tree. But now we actually own

1216
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,040
our building. So that's fun. We did get

1217
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,800
an outdoor recreation grant for the

1218
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,720
climbing wall and from Rocky Mountain

1219
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,880
Power Blue Sky grant for solar panels on

1220
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,040
the roof and those account for about 20

1221
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,760
to 25% of our electrical needs which are

1222
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,000
good and again co era money was always

1223
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,559
helpful as well. Uh the best is yet to

1224
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,040
come from Mil Creek Common. We just

1225
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
north of City Hall we have phase two

1226
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,480
under construction which in includes uh

1227
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,720
more green space, open space. Phase one

1228
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,280
is more the European hardscape, the town

1229
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,599
square, the plaza. Phase two is a lot

1230
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,240
lusher and greener, 138 trees, including

1231
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,880
a lot of aspens. It includes a mini golf

1232
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,359
course, uh the only mini golf course in

1233
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:01,359
the northern half of Salt Lake County.

1234
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:03,119
We're already paying people to manage a

1235
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,960
climbing wall and do the roller skates,

1236
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,599
so why not mini golf, too? Uh the holes

1237
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,520
are inspired by natural wonders, even

1238
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,599
Delicate Arch, uh the Bonavville Salt

1239
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,319
Flats, Little Sahara, and more. Uh, we

1240
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:15,760
have a skate canyon. We're the largest

1241
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,440
city in Utah without a skate park, but

1242
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,599
that will soon be remedied.

1243
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,040
We have this cool building called the

1244
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,559
treehouse in the middle. It's kind of a

1245
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,839
hangout space, restrooms, and storage.

1246
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:27,839
Uh, we have a splash creek. Our splash

1247
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,520
pads are very popular. So, to have a

1248
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,241
creek for the little kids to splash in,

1249
00:52:31,241 --> 00:52:34,800
[snorts] we're super excited about with shade structures we've learned is

1250
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,640
important. And then, I love this one,

1251
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,599
our Milo the Moose play structure. Milo

1252
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,280
is our city mascot. And so, we have a

1253
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,119
moose play structure. And you can see

1254
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:44,480
you can climb up in them. There's a

1255
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,000
slide. There's areas to play on the

1256
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,040
outside. And phase two we paid for with

1257
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,040
cash. We received a million and a half

1258
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,680
tourism, recreation, culture grant from

1259
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,240
Salt Lake County. We did kick in a chunk

1260
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,160
from our general funds and park impact

1261
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,160
fees. We did get some of that COVID

1262
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,839
money, but also a million dollars Utah

1263
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:03,760
outdoor wreck. And then we worked with

1264
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,280
our federal lobbyists to get two and a

1265
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,040
half million from the National Park

1266
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,359
Service in a landwater conservation

1267
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,760
fund. So, it was truly a collaboration

1268
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,240
of city, county, state, and federal

1269
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,440
money to make phase 2 happen. Um, the

1270
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,119
next thing we're working on is East of

1271
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,280
the Common. We've relocated an art

1272
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,559
gallery and we're moving a gym over. Uh,

1273
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:26,800
the gym is being refurbished right now,

1274
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,720
the new gym building, and we're

1275
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,720
replacing that with a Hyatt Studios on

1276
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,720
the corner. We're the largest city in

1277
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,200
Utah without a hotel. We'll have a

1278
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,880
parking structure and then a retail

1279
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,280
condo building that's six stories. Then

1280
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,599
we'll bring the fine art in gallery back

1281
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,839
to the ground floor and we'll have the

1282
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,720
retail. Now, as as a city, we are the

1283
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,480
landlord of this future bookstore,

1284
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,640
coffee shop, and restaurant. And in city

1285
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,319
hall, we're currently the landlord of a

1286
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:55,280
pizza shop, a place called Noodle Head,

1287
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,079
and a Thirst. And for us, it's important

1288
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,319
to retain control because the last thing

1289
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,240
we wanted on our town square was an

1290
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,000
accountant's office that closes at 4

1291
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,319
p.m. We want to be activating that

1292
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:09,040
space, that shop utanement, if you will,

1293
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,119
is just important for us as a splash

1294
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,760
pad. Uh, so you can see the ground floor

1295
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,559
retail and the condos coming in. And so

1296
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,800
that'll be a nice development, too, that

1297
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,240
we're hoping to break ground on here in

1298
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,960
October. So, a lot of exciting things

1299
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,960
happening in Mil Creek Common. Uh,

1300
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,800
what's paying for East Common? We did do

1301
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,960
another bond with our AAA bond rating,

1302
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,880
but we are selling land to private

1303
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,800
developers for the hotel, for the

1304
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,599
condos, and then renting to them parking

1305
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,000
stalls. So, we can build a parking

1306
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,599
garage cheaper than they can. We can

1307
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,200
finance it certainly cheaper than they

1308
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,599
can. And by renting back to them, that

1309
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,680
helps their performer, but it gives us

1310
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,079
the mechanism to pay it back along with

1311
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,520
the the retail rents. Um, so eventually

1312
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,599
we're looking at doing some condos on

1313
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,599
the north side of Mil Creek Common, but

1314
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,280
the groundbreaking of that won't be till

1315
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,480
2028. So, uh, those will be owner

1316
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,160
occupied condos. We're trying to have a

1317
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,559
nice mix of apartments, condos, and

1318
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,280
hotels. So, different uses in there. Uh,

1319
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,599
this is what chat GPT says will be the

1320
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:12,960
lovely people that will move into our

1321
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,880
condos when we're [laughter] done.

1322
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,040
Um, Mayor Jackson says the marine vet

1323
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,400
would should have a dog instead of a

1324
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,160
cat, but who am I to argue with AI,

1325
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,559
right? Anyway, so when it's all done,

1326
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:23,680
this is kind of what our town square

1327
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,200
will look like. You have the city hall

1328
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,720
with the climbing wall. You have a

1329
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,720
variety of ground flooror retail and

1330
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,880
residential units and that kind of this

1331
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,160
town square that brings everybody

1332
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,559
together. Um, there's kind of the look

1333
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,720
from phase two. So, I know that's kind

1334
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,760
of the the rapid fire

1335
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,359
um

1336
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:42,880
version of what's happening in Mil Creek

1337
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,559
Common. You guys did talk about parking

1338
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,200
structure. So, I'll just add one PS. The

1339
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,200
parking structure we built next door

1340
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,079
with the Westerly Apartments. Um, we

1341
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,400
didn't traffic. We looked at what the

1342
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,240
code would require them to do if they

1343
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,240
had to build their own parking. We

1344
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,160
looked at what we would do if we had to

1345
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,920
build our own parking for our city hall.

1346
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920
And then we had a parking study look at

1347
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,000
if you did a shared parking analysis and

1348
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,640
you made that vin diagram, if you will,

1349
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,400
uh, where you can overlap what it does.

1350
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,079
And what it does is it reduced the

1351
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,200
number of of parking stalls required

1352
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,839
dramatically. And when parking stalls

1353
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:20,640
are 35 to 40k per stall, that's a big

1354
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,160
that saved them millions and us

1355
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,559
millions. We ended up paying 40% of the

1356
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:27,599
parking garage. They paid 60%. Um it

1357
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,280
literally just opened a few weeks ago

1358
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,200
and we're super excited about that

1359
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,960
public private partnership because it

1360
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,520
saved them money and us money. So, I

1361
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,440
know I just threw a lot out there, but

1362
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,359
uh in the Q&A, you can maybe pepper some

1363
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,440
more if you want to dig deeper, see how

1364
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,720
some of these things may apply to some

1365
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,480
of the projects you're considering there

1366
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,160
in Moab there in Grand County.

1367
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,520
>> Thank you. I think that's exciting to

1368
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,720
see what's happening around the state. I

1369
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,160
think Jacques has a question.

1370
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,880
>> No, I'm I'm good.

1371
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,319
Yeah, very sharing that. Very

1372
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:58,799
impressive. Thanks.

1373
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:00,480
>> Okay. Do we want to open it up to any

1374
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,200
questions for any one of them?

1375
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,520
Go ahead, Mary. Yes. Um, when you were

1376
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,920
talking about the sales tax, there's it

1377
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,839
doesn't have tax on gas as well,

1378
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:12,720
correct?

1379
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,720
>> Uh, I don't believe so. We looked into

1380
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,119
that and [clears throat] we're 99% sure

1381
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,119
that's correct. It's not on the gas or

1382
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:20,880
the unprepared food. So,

1383
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,040
>> I understood. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Or

1384
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,119
commissioner.

1385
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,280
>> M. [laughter]

1386
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Oh, whoops.

1387
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,390
Sorry, Trish.

1388
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,880
» Oh, Trish, go ahead. Sorry.

1389
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,079
>> He's online.

1390
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,599
>> I didn't hear. Were you guys Were you

1391
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,119
guys making fun of me? And that's okay

1392
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:42,480
if you were.

1393
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,240
>> No, we were making sure we had our

1394
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,839
microphones. I apologize.

1395
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,440
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's okay. I can

1396
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,160
hear I I can hear you fine. Um I guess

1397
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,319
this is more for Jameson to speak to.

1398
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:55,440
I'd just like him to speak to um how

1399
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,680
many state inmates we currently house,

1400
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,760
how many we could house, and what that

1401
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,520
might mean for um just revenue that it

1402
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,520
brings into the county as far as the

1403
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,119
sheriff's department. I think it'd be

1404
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,440
great for just um all of the

1405
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,040
commissioners commissioners to

1406
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,280
understand that.

1407
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,480
>> Jameson, you want to come up to the

1408
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,119
table or to the podium? Either one.

1409
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:20,799
>> And did you hear my question or

1410
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:23,200
comments? Okay, thanks Jim.

1411
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,160
>> So, we house roughly seven to eight

1412
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,400
state inmates right now. They generate

1413
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,440
about $85, don't quote me on that, per

1414
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,880
day. The idea is obviously to increase

1415
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,359
the bed population, bring on more state

1416
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:41,359
inmates than it generates revenue. Uh

1417
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:43,040
like our neighboring county, San Juan

1418
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,799
County Sheriff's Office, they're

1419
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,359
doubling their bed population to do the

1420
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:50,160
same thing. Um,

1421
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Iron County is doing that. And then the

1422
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,400
idea is is, you know, as Moab and Grant

1423
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,760
County continues to grow, if you need

1424
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,480
bed space, you give some state back.

1425
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,920
>> You have more programming for state

1426
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,400
inmates, then that the increases. It

1427
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,640
could go up to upwards of $100 a day per

1428
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,280
state inmate. But just by housing the

1429
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,040
seven inmates currently from the state

1430
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,440
of Utah, it pays for the entire food

1431
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,160
bill for the county. Um, it doesn't cost

1432
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,880
us anymore to have our lights on, but it

1433
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,950
generates revenue.

1434
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,960
» And then Jameson, if I'm correct, oh,

1435
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,440
sorry about that. I just jumped back in.

1436
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,200
>> Um, if if I'm correct, your state

1437
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,880
inmates also um do a number of jobs in

1438
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,119
the jails and outside the jail.

1439
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,880
>> Yeah, correct. Because we have a hard

1440
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,960
time hiring and maintaining staff. Uh,

1441
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,280
and so we had an assistant position for

1442
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,920
the kitchen. we can never keep staffed.

1443
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,240
And so those state inmates work is they cook the food, they uh clean the

1444
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,520
hallways, um they do the laundry. We

1445
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,240
also have them working out at OSA now,

1446
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,839
helping OSA um take care of the grounds.

1447
00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,520
We have them on side of the highways

1448
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,839
helping pick up trash. They clean our

1449
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:04,799
vehicles at the sheriff's office. So

1450
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:07,119
kind of they do a lot but a lot of

1451
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,359
county jails have programming like

1452
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:12,079
Garfield County Sheriff's Office has

1453
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,400
embroidering work. We buy a lot of our

1454
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,839
stuff from Garfield County actually do

1455
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:25,750
the embroidering presses on the clothes.

1456
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,160
» I would entertain any any questions from

1457
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,520
the audience. Does anyone in the

1458
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,240
audience have any questions? Go ahead.

1459
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,520
And if you want to come up here so

1460
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,040
you're heard.

1461
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,599
>> I just have a like a click

1462
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,200
clarification question. I guess Jameson

1463
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,680
um can you help me understand if if if

1464
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,440
someone is placed in jail that I from my

1465
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,559
understanding I thought they were

1466
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:51,440
waiting for

1467
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,839
>> you want to come. Oh yeah.

1468
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:01,280
So if someone is um in jail, they're waiting for trial, right? Like

1469
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,400
it's an in between sure place, right?

1470
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,359
And so are we housing people that have

1471
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:10,559
already been convicted now?

1472
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:11,920
>> There's two things happening. We have

1473
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,920
county sentenced inmates that have been

1474
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,520
sentenced. They're in a different pod in

1475
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,000
our jail that have to do save six months

1476
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,000
for their sentence. They're going to be

1477
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,760
inside of our jail. And then we also

1478
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,920
have uh seven state inmates from the

1479
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,440
state of Utah that had been sentenced to

1480
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,000
prison, but the prisons decided to build

1481
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,920
a new prison smaller than the old one

1482
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,440
and they're out of space. So they're

1483
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,359
contracting with county jails to see if

1484
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:34,799
they'll take on inmates.

1485
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:37,839
>> So would we, if this were to this, would

1486
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,720
we now it would be considered a prison

1487
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,319
and not jail at that point?

1488
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:42,640
>> No.

1489
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,680
>> Right. So, so we're we're a county

1490
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,760
facility. So, anyone that's sentenced on

1491
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,480
a misdemeanor and sometimes on felonies

1492
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,640
will will have jail stay within the

1493
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,319
county facility. It's capped out at one

1494
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,720
year. So, an individual if they do,

1495
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,200
let's say, seven misdemeanor, the max

1496
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,400
they're going to do is about a year in

1497
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,640
jail. If they get sent to prison on a

1498
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,079
felony charge, then they're going to be

1499
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,160
sent normally sent out to the state

1500
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,000
prison. They'll do an orientation month

1501
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,480
or so. It's it's a little bit longer and

1502
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,240
Chief Bell or the sheriff can correct me

1503
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,920
on the length of time, but they do a

1504
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,079
they do an orientation stage and then

1505
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,240
some members of that population that are

1506
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,359
inmates, usually SOS is what they call

1507
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:25,520
them, sex offenders, oftent times will

1508
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,960
get um flagged or identified for

1509
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,040
potentially being able to be sent out to

1510
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,760
local jails because of the uh inherent

1511
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,920
rate risk and danger of certain

1512
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,240
positions. And so those individuals come

1513
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,079
and sheriff whenever you know, you think

1514
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,680
um some of those individuals will come

1515
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,280
down and then take on like work

1516
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,000
positions and help out. Um and so that's kind of how we do it as a mix. So

1517
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000
in our population, you'll have those

1518
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,359
that are post sentencing on county

1519
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,280
charges, theoretically folks from the

1520
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,720
state inmate, and then people that are

1521
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,160
waiting for the adjudication or the

1522
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,480
resolution of their case as well.

1523
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,240
>> Okay. Then to follow up since I have

1524
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,000
your attention, what are the leg what's

1525
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,559
the legal how does it work when you have

1526
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,240
I'm going to say pedophiles um like a

1527
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,680
real close to a school like the

1528
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,599
monastery school being there.

1529
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,760
>> We don't we don't house any sex

1530
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:16,319
offenders.

1531
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,880
>> I mean like if this if we were to move

1532
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,400
you I know that he had mentioned that.

1533
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,640
So I guess that was just a an example.

1534
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:23,839
>> Different so a couple different

1535
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:25,039
questions. So you're are you talking

1536
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:26,880
about somebody that's released?

1537
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,200
>> No. Um no if they're that's my question.

1538
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,640
If they're if they're consider if

1539
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,799
they've been convicted, it's okay for

1540
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:35,920
them to be in a jail close to a school.

1541
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:36,720
That's fine, right?

1542
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:37,039
>> Yeah.

1543
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:38,559
>> Go ahead. I know that's a simple

1544
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,359
question. I just wanted to clarify that.

1545
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,119
>> Yeah. Just one other clarifying thing,

1546
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,280
too. And Sher can correct me on this if

1547
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,319
I'm wrong, but um any state inmates that

1548
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,319
are farmed out to county facilities,

1549
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:52,079
they're not released back into that

1550
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,960
camp. They they go back to to the prison

1551
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,200
for pre-release and and whatnot there.

1552
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:04,559
So, so just to clarify, I think um so, if this gets built as is, the the

1553
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:07,359
actual prison demographics will not be

1554
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,599
unchanged from what we have now.

1555
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,359
>> Correct. We won't be looking at any any

1556
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:13,440
type of new prisoners. It'll be the same

1557
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,359
people that we're already housing in our

1558
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:16,319
jail. It'll just be

1559
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:19,280
>> just depends on if we have if we have

1560
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,119
more room and we take on more

1561
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:22,880
programming, we can acquire different

1562
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,640
types of incentives.

1563
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,520
That's your question.

1564
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,039
>> I think so. James, yes.

1565
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:29,920
>> Mary,

1566
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,920
>> what do you mean? You've used the word

1567
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,359
programming and I'm not sure what you're

1568
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:36,559
referring to when you're saying

1569
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:37,359
programming.

1570
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:41,200
>> Programming such as uh take for example,

1571
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,520
sex offenders, licensed therapists,

1572
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,119
different types of classes to kind of

1573
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:46,960
get them rehabilitated to go back out

1574
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,599
when they are done completing their sentence. Other type of

1575
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,599
programming would include schools inside

1576
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,559
the the jails, uh finishing your GED,

1577
01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,079
getting a degree, a college degree,

1578
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,039
welding classes. Those programming um is

1579
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,440
what I'm referring to. It's it's just an

1580
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,839
extra

1581
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:11,359
learning facility, learning.

1582
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:13,200
>> And typically the state, I believe, will

1583
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,119
pay more too if you offer those

1584
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,720
programs. So it's not like you're doing

1585
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,880
it at the expense of the taxpayer.

1586
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,319
you're doing it because the state's

1587
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:22,400
going to pay you a higher permium to be

1588
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,240
able to have that program in place

1589
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,119
versus uh not

1590
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:28,880
>> what I thought you meant, but I didn't

1591
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,200
want to walk away and not sure

1592
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,039
>> have my assumption wrong.

1593
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:36,079
>> And the idea too with is to design some

1594
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,960
overall space that we call programming

1595
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,799
space that can be really it's a lot of

1596
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,039
multi-purpose space. So it can be the

1597
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,000
same rooms or spaces can be used for

1598
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
multiple different types of functions.

1599
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,520
So, it gives the sheriff and the jail

1600
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,319
commander the ability to to kind of uh

1601
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,240
customize some of those programs, but

1602
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,520
it's everything from religious to

1603
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,240
education, vocational to therapeutic and

1604
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,319
so on. So,

1605
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,720
>> and I think it's important to think as

1606
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,119
we think about this that creates jobs.

1607
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:06,880
So, and they're jobs that are outside of

1608
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,880
our visitor economy. So, those are jobs

1609
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,039
we do 247 365 days a year as well. So,

1610
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,640
and then Trish has her hand up. Oh,

1611
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,039
>> listen to

1612
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:20,799
>> Are you ready for me to go, Mel?

1613
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:22,319
>> Yes. Go ahead, Trish.

1614
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:24,319
>> So, yeah, I'll just talk a little bit

1615
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:27,039
about my my work in the jails, but then

1616
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,839
I I also kind of want to ask Jameson a

1617
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:31,440
couple more questions. So, I've been

1618
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,720
working in the jails, I think, for

1619
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,359
almost about 20 years now. Um, p

1620
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,359
pertaining to just basic educational

1621
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:39,440
programming. But, you know, the county

1622
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,680
jail is extremely girdled as far as the

1623
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,000
facility and what it can provide. And so

1624
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,720
I I really think you could some of that

1625
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,880
program cram program programming could

1626
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,760
just explode. I mean right now we have a

1627
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,520
few um computer pla uh platforms that

1628
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,640
allow students some some opportunities.

1629
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,280
But I really think you you know but

1630
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,680
we're constantly like vying with whether

1631
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,760
it be court you know video court and or

1632
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,839
um religious programming to have enough

1633
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,319
space to to be able to for those

1634
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:14,559
students to get what they need. So I

1635
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:16,720
think an expanded space would do a

1636
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,680
tremendous amount for education and

1637
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,000
education reduces recidivism

1638
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,200
exponentially. And then lastly, Jameson,

1639
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,119
do you mind speaking to, you know, a few

1640
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:29,119
of the things that I've noticed when

1641
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,720
you're in there is, you know,

1642
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,200
unfortunately they the Grand County Jail

1643
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,280
houses people that are detoxing and so

1644
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,839
that is a huge

1645
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,440
burden on um you know, the officers in

1646
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,000
there. And then also individuals that

1647
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,160
are dealing with mental illness and

1648
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,000
sometimes they have to house individuals

1649
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,880
like that for extremely long periods of

1650
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,079
time because there's not another bed for

1651
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,839
them and other facilities. So Jameson, I

1652
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:58,799
don't know if you want to talk about

1653
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:02,160
that and what that layers on to the

1654
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,839
officers that are working within the

1655
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,680
jails.

1656
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Yeah. So that that's another uh point of

1657
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,520
focus is we need more holding facilities

1658
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,599
uh prior to being placed in a general

1659
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,080
population. We're limited on the space

1660
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,839
for general or for our holding

1661
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:21,359
facilities. Uh when we experienced COVID

1662
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:27,679
that was a nightmare. We didn't have the space to segregate individuals uh

1663
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:29,679
for the two weeks prior to placing them

1664
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:34,880
into the pods. Uh we we also have no

1665
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,319
medical facility inside the jail. Um,

1666
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,480
most new jails, all new jails have

1667
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,799
medical wings inside the jail facility.

1668
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:44,960
So, when we have an issue, we typically

1669
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,920
have to transport them to MRH uh for

1670
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,600
treatment.

1671
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,319
Um, but yeah, so we we we could

1672
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,719
definitely use the the holding

1673
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:57,279
facilities, the mental health thing.

1674
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,440
People often think jails are mental

1675
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,679
health facilities, which they're not.

1676
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,120
Um, and so when we have to house an

1677
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,799
inmate that has having mental health

1678
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:10,799
problems, they're in the same area as

1679
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:12,480
the other inmates that are currently

1680
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,640
waiting their assessment to go into

1681
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,309
general population.

1682
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,880
the behavioral mental health issues a

1683
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,400
major problem for law enforcement

1684
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,480
everywhere because unfortunately the

1685
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:29,679
county jails become the de facto mental

1686
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,199
health care provider because there's no

1687
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,719
other alternative and um we're starting

1688
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:37,359
to see more attention being paid to

1689
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,040
that. We just started working with Salt

1690
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,799
Lake County on a on an expansion study

1691
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:45,440
for them where having a behavioral

1692
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:48,239
mental health aspect where call it

1693
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,719
diversion where when somebody is brought

1694
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:56,239
in if they're uh mentally ill or they're

1695
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,480
detoxing they actually go to they're

1696
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,719
actually diverted to a different part of

1697
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:03,760
the jail that's not the actual jail um

1698
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,520
so that it can be determined what sort

1699
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,360
of help they

1700
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,960
that wasn't considered for this

1701
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,480
particular feasibility study, but what

1702
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,400
Sheriff Wick can just say is absolutely

1703
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,400
correct that um long-term solving that

1704
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,679
mental health um

1705
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:26,800
aspect is very important because it does create a very much a burden and

1706
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,640
it and it create also creates liability

1707
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,760
for the county too. Um, so being able to

1708
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,520
have a way to temporarily

1709
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,560
house and treat individuals that fit

1710
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,040
certain profiles like that could take a

1711
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,120
big burden off off every sheriff. Um, as

1712
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,880
well as um get the those people the

1713
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,550
proper help today.

1714
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,920
» Melissa, did you have a question? Will

1715
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:54,719
you come up to the post?

1716
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:57,120
>> Yeah, I was clarifying. Thank you.

1717
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,760
asked how many beds there were like 64.

1718
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,679
What's the occupancy rate if that's the

1719
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:04,320
right term, but like is there annual?

1720
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,800
>> So, it just depends on um we just

1721
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,199
recently added a pre-trial service

1722
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,679
deputy position that's 100% paid for by

1723
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,719
a grant. And what pre-trial does is it

1724
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:17,360
helps take the burden off of the the

1725
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,360
inmate population. Um and so right now I

1726
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,600
think we have 30 people inside of our

1727
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,440
jail. However, our pre-trial service

1728
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,600
deputy has about 30 something people on

1729
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,560
his plate. So, if we didn't have him

1730
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,280
your max capacity

1731
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,840
um and so we just were it sounds like we

1732
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,040
just got a uh another grant to pay for

1733
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,560
that position again. But if that money

1734
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,040
runs out, do we keep funding that

1735
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,360
position? What do we do? But it's hard

1736
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,440
to give you an exact number like where

1737
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,960
we typically stay at, but um usually

1738
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,600
around 40 to 30 to 40 people is what our

1739
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,840
current jail house is with the pre-trial

1740
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,040
service deputy

1741
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,719
>> plus state plus state.

1742
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:04,719
>> Uh no, that would include state.

1743
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:06,480
>> Commission,

1744
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,080
>> I've got some questions, but I'd like to

1745
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,920
follow up on that just a little bit. So,

1746
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,760
if you do have that block of rooms

1747
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,840
available, why aren't we looking to the

1748
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,600
state right now to fill those?

1749
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:16,719
>> Because you got to house the state

1750
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:20,080
inmates with state inmates. Um, so I

1751
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,760
don't want to put our state inmates in

1752
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,880
with our unsentenced county inmates.

1753
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,640
There's rules requirements from the

1754
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,400
state. We also have a little section for

1755
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,960
females. Uh, we don't want to put some

1756
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,800
of females obviously. Uh, our female pot

1757
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,679
is extremely tiny.

1758
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:39,440
typically out of space with the female

1759
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,280
pods. U but yeah, I mean if it was that

1760
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,040
easy, we would just already have state

1761
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,040
in land right now, but it's

1762
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,800
we don't have the space to house any

1763
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,920
state in our current road for the state

1764
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,520
inmates.

1765
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,320
>> Okay. And then my questions are along

1766
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,520
the line we've talked about programs um

1767
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,270
additional staff.

1768
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,000
Is there studies showing what the future

1769
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,920
costs of those are going to be on the

1770
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,000
county? Because as we're in the middle

1771
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,159
of a budget season right now, every time

1772
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,800
we add one more employee,

1773
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,560
we're we're building a bigger balloon

1774
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,640
here. And as we all are aware, we're

1775
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,880
coming out of a economic slump somewhat

1776
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,320
here. So looking at do we have plans for

1777
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,600
maybe a future impact study what this is

1778
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,920
actually going to cost the county

1779
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,080
outside of what we're bonding to build

1780
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,400
this unit.

1781
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,400
I think ultimately

1782
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,520
if you if you proceed with actual design

1783
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,360
and you start defining the parameters

1784
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,520
more specifically then it's much easier

1785
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,520
to answer that question because it's

1786
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,360
they're they're interrelated. The bed

1787
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,640
count's going to drive obviously

1788
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,600
staffing requirements um for the GL

1789
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,199
staff, but there may be other elements

1790
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,360
that could be incorporated with the

1791
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,480
facility. Dispatch 911 as as an example

1792
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:08,719
um that may have the opportunity to

1793
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:13,600
expand. So having that conversation once

1794
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,040
some of those parameters were more

1795
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,480
clearly defined would be um I mean

1796
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:20,560
that's that's typically what every every

1797
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,719
county does in parallel to doing these

1798
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:25,360
projects is as we go through the design

1799
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,400
process they're also evaluating what is

1800
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,000
the reality in terms of staffing costs

1801
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,280
and operational costs. I I would think

1802
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,679
that we need those operational costs

1803
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:39,679
before any decisions are made though.

1804
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,640
Correct. I mean, we we really can't just

1805
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,360
guess that we're going to be able to No.

1806
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Yeah. And I'm not suggesting that you're

1807
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,320
guessing. Just suggesting that you u

1808
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,239
you're making decisions along the way.

1809
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,360
Like bed count for example.

1810
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,760
The concept that's been shown is 100.

1811
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,320
That's not the right amount. It might be

1812
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,800
less than that. There might also be

1813
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,640
could go in the other direction of well

1814
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,120
we really like the idea of bringing more

1815
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,600
contract inmates because like I said

1816
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,880
Beaver County is quite small. They have

1817
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,199
a [clears throat] 400 bed jail about 300

1818
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:18,880
of them are are state inmates and they

1819
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,679
generate roughly $8 million a year in

1820
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:26,880
revenue for Beaver County. Um that's a purposeful decision that was

1821
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,000
made by that county to make the

1822
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,320
investment in their jail to be able to

1823
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:37,120
enhance that and it obviously creates a whole completely different dynamic.

1824
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,800
the design decisions that are made along

1825
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,760
the way. You start with a big idea and

1826
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,080
as you as we go through the process,

1827
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,920
those things have to be defined fairly

1828
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,159
early in the process so that we're not

1829
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:53,920
chasing our tail design wise. But it's a dialogue that happens constantly

1830
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,280
between the design team and the county

1831
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,120
um as we're going through that process

1832
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,480
to be able to say, "Look, we'd love 200

1833
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,080
beds, but that's just not make sure we

1834
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,480
can only go 100 or 120, whatever that

1835
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,560
is." So, it's it's a little chicken and

1836
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:14,239
egg, but it it's not done in the dark or

1837
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:15,600
crossing our fingers and hoping it'll

1838
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,120
work out. It's very it's much more

1839
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,880
methodical than that.

1840
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:19,360
>> Go ahead.

1841
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,040
>> We we set the

1842
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,520
120 bed count with the idea of not

1843
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,520
increasing any more jail staff. So, we

1844
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,360
think that we could take on 120 inmates

1845
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,880
without having to hire any more new

1846
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,840
deputies. And then past that, we'll have

1847
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,560
to hire more deputies. And that's what I

1848
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,719
noticed too. Going to that pod design

1849
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:38,800
seemed to be a very efficient design, at

1850
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,239
least with some of the other ones. So,

1851
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,640
it didn't seem to have a a huge labor

1852
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,520
increase or additional manpower increase

1853
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,360
or not as nearly as much as you'd think

1854
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,120
with the bed count going up

1855
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,440
significantly. And then also too, just

1856
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,199
as a reminder, when we're running those

1857
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,440
numbers and analysis for to pay for the

1858
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,400
debt service, we're being conservative

1859
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,480
by design because we want additional

1860
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,040
buffers from that 2216 potentially help

1861
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,440
offset if there is a surprise expense

1862
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,520
where additional employees needed to

1863
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,679
help reach that, you know, help that

1864
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:11,520
person. But also too, we're not

1865
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,600
including any of our analysis the

1866
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,520
additional revenues that could be

1867
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,320
generated by those beds. So just quick

1868
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,040
math here on my laptop, additional beds,

1869
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,560
60 beds, 80 beds or $80 per DM if those

1870
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,080
were to be filled would be close to a

1871
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,679
million and a half over a million and a

1872
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,120
half dollars a year of additional

1873
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,800
revenue. Now we know it's not going to

1874
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,600
be 100% filled, right? Potentially, but

1875
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,679
that would be a significant portion of

1876
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:38,159
any manpower or other expenses that

1877
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,320
aren't being anticipated right now would

1878
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,640
flow into those revenues. And by design,

1879
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,040
we're not using those revenues because

1880
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,239
we know they're probably going to be

1881
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,560
needed in some way, shape, or form as

1882
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,719
that new facility comes online.

1883
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,480
>> Well, I have one last question and then

1884
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,239
I'll let it go to somebody else. But you

1885
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,480
talked about 8 million in revenue at

1886
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,320
Beaver County and now you're talking

1887
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,080
about revenue here, but that's not

1888
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,400
profit.

1889
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,560
>> Correct. That would be the perdm. And

1890
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:05,040
so,

1891
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,960
>> so, but we have costs out of that

1892
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:07,600
revenue,

1893
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,040
>> correct? It's not going to be straight

1894
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,400
net profit of $80 free and clear, but a

1895
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,320
lot of times from what we've seen, there

1896
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,560
is an economies of scale there. As the

1897
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,080
sheriff brought up, when the lights are

1898
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,840
on, the lights are on and whoever's in

1899
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,880
that pods using that, right? And so,

1900
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,480
yes, you won't be able to capture that

1901
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:27,040
full 80 as net profit, but the more

1902
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,159
inmates you have in within that pod, the

1903
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,239
more efficient you are. So it may not be

1904
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,560
a one one or close to that, but it's

1905
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,679
definitely going to be a lot more

1906
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,560
efficient as far as having 70 inmates

1907
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,880
versus 120. You're usually going to get

1908
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,120
a lot more of that revenue rate.

1909
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,400
>> The other thing to add with the state

1910
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,320
inmates, you don't pay for any of their

1911
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,920
medical costs. The state of Utah pays

1912
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,679
for that. All of our county inmates, the

1913
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:52,560
county facilitates paying medical costs

1914
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,719
while they're incarcerated.

1915
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,640
So state inmate needs something medical

1916
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,159
wise, the countyy's not on the hook for

1917
01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:59,520
that. The state of Utah is paying for

1918
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,800
that. All

1919
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,080
right, I want to wrap this up in like

1920
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,679
three minutes, but I do see our gel

1921
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:05,600
commander Shan in the back. Do you have

1922
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:06,800
anything that you want to add to this

1923
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,560
conversation? We just listen. You

1924
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,000
>> guys have questions for me.

1925
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,400
>> Okay. I just wanted to check. Um, so I

1926
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,080
see I have Commissioner Mccertie and

1927
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,080
then I saw Jason Taylor, Councilman

1928
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,719
Taylor in the audience, too. So,

1929
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:22,480
>> oh, and Trish has her hand up. So, we'll

1930
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:23,679
go that way.

1931
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:25,600
>> I know when we're not able to use it for

1932
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,120
uh

1933
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,880
debt servicing. Uh well, we can use it

1934
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,480
for deer, but we can't use it to bond

1935
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,040
against. But, uh there's also a fee that

1936
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,120
goes with the courthouse.

1937
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,480
>> Uh there's also a fee that goes with

1938
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:44,880
I we uh we will need to uh

1939
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,640
there's not a fee that goes with it, but

1940
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,520
uh the courthouse pays us.

1941
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:49,920
>> Correct.

1942
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,159
>> Yeah. And and so all those things go

1943
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,719
into it. I think just I I wouldn't get

1944
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,320
so much in the weeds right now, but just

1945
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,760
know if you kind of imagine that the

1946
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,760
county has the pot of money, right? We

1947
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,760
just have to specifically identify which

1948
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,920
ones would be used for the financing.

1949
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,960
But internally, you know, that those

1950
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,640
monies can be shifted around between

1951
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,880
your sales tax and your other revenues.

1952
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,960
just bond holders when they purchase or

1953
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,560
invest in bonds, they want to know that

1954
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,719
there's a secure source of revenue like

1955
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:19,360
a 2216 that's associated with taxable

1956
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,600
sales and not necessarily associated

1957
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,080
with state contracts with inmates and so

1958
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,320
forth. So, we're again we're just

1959
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:27,840
looking for the avenue that's kind of a

1960
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,600
proven litmus test of what's going to

1961
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,239
get you the best bond rating to get you

1962
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,040
the lower lowest interest rates and then

1963
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,679
but internally as revenues flow in have

1964
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,440
a lot of discretion how that's moved

1965
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,520
around. So, as you're setting your

1966
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,199
budgets,

1967
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:48,229
>> Jason, do you want to come up and ask?

1968
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,640
» First of all, I want to say to um city

1969
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,719
manager Linder that he forgot the the

1970
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:54,239
real anchor of Milary Commons is

1971
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,229
Crownber.

1972
01:20:58,239 --> 01:20:59,840
» You know, that's actually true. When we

1973
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,400
did like a community outreach and we did

1974
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,480
kind of like Soundcloud image things,

1975
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:06,960
Crownber was just huge. And so despite

1976
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,400
all the changes, you got to keep some of

1977
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,920
these great old businesses around.

1978
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,440
>> I And I want to say that I've been to

1979
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:12,800
Mil Creek Commons and it's a it's a

1980
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,800
beautiful it's an incredible place. And

1981
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,679
um so I wanted to see like what if you

1982
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:19,360
guys could draw the correlation between

1983
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,760
Mil Creek Commons and this public safety

1984
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,840
facility because to me they're two very

1985
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:24,880
different things. You know, Mil Creek

1986
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,159
Commons is place where people gather,

1987
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,600
where people hang out. You know, you

1988
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,440
guys have they have winter festivals.

1989
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:30,960
They have everything that we would want

1990
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,440
in Moab to have, you know, within our

1991
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,199
city center. And so I'm just having a

1992
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:36,560
hard time drawing that correlation

1993
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,840
between this um public safety building

1994
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,679
and and um and why we're being kind of

1995
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,679
talked to about it with the Mil Creek,

1996
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:47,280
you know, with Milreek comments stuff.

1997
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,800
So I wonder if someone can do that and

1998
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:49,360
show us.

1999
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,600
>> I I could take a shot at I mean

2000
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,360
>> yeah, you know, one of the I think one

2001
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,199
of the reasons I think the biggest

2002
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:57,040
parallel isn't necessarily that we're

2003
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,870
trying to

2004
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,080
go back up there. Hey Rob, maybe stand

2005
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,320
up here so folks online.

2006
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,199
>> That's great.

2007
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:08,719
>> Um

2008
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:14,000
I I think the parallel we're trying to show here isn't that we're we're

2009
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,480
talking about the same exact sort of

2010
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:20,719
program. Really, I think what uh the

2011
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,880
most important portrayal here is those

2012
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,520
first two slides Mike showed you. If if

2013
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,280
any of you remember what it used to look

2014
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,760
like uh north of 33rd in between

2015
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,040
Highland and 13th for the last as long

2016
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,679
as I can remember um until you got to

2017
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:38,800
like the Villa Theater, it was pretty it

2018
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,600
was very industrial and um the

2019
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,320
transformation that's happened uh has

2020
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,560
been phenomenal and there have been very

2021
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,400
purposeful choices made by Mil Creek

2022
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,840
City to do those the things that they

2023
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,840
have done. But I think what we're trying

2024
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,600
to suggest is um looking at when you

2025
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,560
look at the property, it's it's what

2026
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,760
could it be? And each community has its

2027
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,560
own needs and its own stairs. Mil Creek

2028
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,360
obviously is a fairly new city. Um and

2029
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,600
you know, I I I went to their old city

2030
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,239
hall and and it was it was in that strip

2031
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,000
mall that's over on the kitty corner

2032
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,480
from where it is now. you know, they've

2033
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,159
they needed to create a new identity,

2034
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:22,400
new city center, but to Mike's credit

2035
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,760
and the rest of the Mil Creek city.

2036
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,639
They've been very steadfast and worked

2037
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:30,800
very hard. They made it look like easy

2038
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,159
that it just kind of transformed

2039
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:37,679
overnight. It it was a lot of work and I admire Mike's energy. Um Mike's

2040
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:39,600
giving me a tour. Mike has way more

2041
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,400
energy than I do. Um which is good

2042
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,639
because the work they had to do to get

2043
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:46,159
where they got was very important. But I

2044
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,560
think what we're trying to show here is

2045
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,920
that the jail is is a clear and very

2046
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,000
important need. And by adding in this uh

2047
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,159
other component of a parking structure

2048
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,639
with a retail element, what we're trying

2049
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:03,280
to do is that kind of the city facing or

2050
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,679
the town facing

2051
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:08,960
takes on more of a public use and not

2052
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,520
only solves your public safety issue,

2053
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,920
but solves a real problem that that

2054
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,840
happens here in Moab.

2055
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,159
um with the parking situation, but it

2056
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,360
also creates more opportunities for

2057
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,120
interaction, more economic growth, and

2058
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,760
you know, we obviously gather no one's

2059
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,040
going to go down to the jail for the

2060
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,480
Super Bowl party, you know. Um, so

2061
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,719
they're they're really solving two

2062
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,920
different problems, but we saw an

2063
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,600
opportunity here with the configuration

2064
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,679
of the land and the size of the jail

2065
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:44,000
needs to be to meet needs of the sheriff

2066
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,000
that maybe we could do both things here.

2067
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,840
And like I mentioned before too, they're

2068
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,199
they are from a funding and and project

2069
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:52,960
point, they're two completely separate

2070
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,360
projects, but we like to think about

2071
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,159
things in their overall context rather

2072
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,719
than just on the site. So hopefully that

2073
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:01,920
answers your question.

2074
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,600
>> You know, I'll chime in too if I may

2075
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,760
because it's a great question. If

2076
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,679
anything else, I hope sharing our

2077
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,520
example in Mil Creek G help gives you a

2078
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,239
license to think big and to think dream

2079
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:15,440
to dream big and to think what if. Um I

2080
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,280
also would hope it gives you a license

2081
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,760
to maybe add some creative touches and

2082
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,199
to be a little whimsical and have a

2083
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:23,040
little fun with it. St. George City

2084
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,120
tooured our place and then later on

2085
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,280
ended up with their parking structure.

2086
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,120
They added some slippery slides in St.

2087
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:30,560
George coming down off their parking

2088
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,000
structure and it's awesome. Why not? And

2089
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,600
so there there's some unique interesting

2090
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,840
things I would say too with that ground

2091
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,040
flooror retail in your parking

2092
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,960
structure. Uh you're going to have

2093
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,800
people who are working at your county

2094
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,080
center. You're going to have people

2095
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,000
visiting at your county center. People

2096
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,159
will be utilizing that retail if it's

2097
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,159
there. And so I think looking for ways

2098
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:52,000
to mix the uses that maybe normally

2099
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,239
wouldn't be mixed is very smart of you

2100
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:55,760
all to be thinking about. And that level

2101
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,040
of creativity that you're being

2102
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,360
presented today, I think does have some

2103
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,600
good analoges.

2104
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,280
>> Thank you, Mike. You had your hand up,

2105
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,080
but you put it down. Are you good?

2106
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,960
>> Um, yeah. I just maybe just 30 seconds.

2107
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,040
I just want to state that, you know, we

2108
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,880
Sheriff Wiggins has done a tremendous

2109
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,600
job with the jails. Commander Hackwell

2110
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,719
is is just phenomenal in there. I've was

2111
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:20,639
I've been there long enough to have gone

2112
01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:24,960
through a couple jail commanders and our corrections officers are just

2113
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,280
phenomenal. But I think to give them a

2114
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,639
facility where they are able to provide

2115
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:33,440
the services that they need to while at

2116
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,840
the same time reducing liability is is

2117
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,639
of utmost importance. And then gathering

2118
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:40,800
more state inmates is I think a great

2119
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,719
thing. It'll really bring in a lot of

2120
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:44,560
revenue that will help us run those

2121
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,800
facilities. So just my thoughts.

2122
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,480
>> All right. Thank you, Jock. Did you have

2123
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:49,199
one last comment?

2124
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:51,040
>> Yeah, I was just going to um uh and

2125
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,280
thanks for the for pointing uh things

2126
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,000
out, Jason, but just to maybe touch back

2127
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,520
on that and then I think Rob did a great

2128
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,440
job with that also is uh we we've been

2129
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,040
talking about a jail and needing needing

2130
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,040
new facilities and and since I was

2131
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,679
elected six years ago, also the sheriff

2132
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:08,960
um sheriff's office is outgrow that's the old library the sheriff's got

2133
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,840
half of and and we have we have

2134
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,120
facilities all over the county that are

2135
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,920
just kind of mish mash. Um, so this is a

2136
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,719
great opportunity to to kill a few birds

2137
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:21,679
with with one stone and also transform

2138
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,840
the city block. This county county

2139
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,320
mostly county block is if you go out and

2140
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,440
walk the streets, it's just kind of a

2141
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,280
mishmash of old buildings. The bus barn

2142
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,639
out there, it probably needs to be torn

2143
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:32,880
down. There's just um just a lot of

2144
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,960
different hodge podge construction. And

2145
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,360
this is a great um opportunity to kind

2146
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,520
of tie the whole thing together and give

2147
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,199
back something to Moab. I love the idea

2148
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:42,400
of some retail. We need we need

2149
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,000
commercials badly. We need parking

2150
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,199
badly. Um and and also Rob, you didn't

2151
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:49,280
give us the opportunity to uh to ask you

2152
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,880
for a climbing wall on that. So maybe

2153
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,719
next

2154
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,639
I'm going to wrap up this session so we

2155
01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:58,320
can have a few minute break before our

2156
01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,920
regular commission meeting. So thank you

2157
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,239
all for coming. We really appreciate it.

2158
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:03,920
And we're going to recess for five

2159
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,280
minutes and come back at 42

2160
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,199
for commission meeting. Thank you. Thank

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01:28:09,199 --> 01:42:21,109
you.

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01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:33,030
All

2163
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,440
right. I would like to call this regular

2164
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:37,760
commission meeting of the Grand County

2165
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,840
Commission to order at 4:12 on August

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01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,800
18th. And in attendance we have

2167
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,280
Commissioner Haden online, Commissioner

2168
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,560
Martinez online, Commissioner Hadler,

2169
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,800
Commissioner Man, Commissioner Mccertie,

2170
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,080
Commissioner Winfield, myself,

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01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,639
Commissioner McCand as our county

2172
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,800
attorney Steven Stocks, administrator

2173
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,159
Mark Tiner, Chantel Lindsay as our

2174
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:03,600
finance director, and associate

2175
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,239
administrator Quinn Hall.

2176
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:07,760
And let's go ahead and stand for the

2177
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:12,229
pledge of allegiance.

2178
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:14,560
Pledge algiance to the flag of the

2179
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,520
United States of America to the republic

2180
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:21,119
for which it stands. One nation

2181
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:23,679
indivisible with liberty and justice for

2182
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,990
all.

2183
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,880
» Okay. And with that we will start. We

2184
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,719
have some department reports today and

2185
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,639
Kate Finley from our emergency

2186
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:38,320
management director is going to start us

2187
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:51,189
off.

2188
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:53,440
to share that screen.

2189
01:43:53,440 --> 01:44:02,470
>> Yeah. Um Clint's in the back.

2190
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:07,430
You go.

2191
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:09,600
» Okay.

2192
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:16,149
All

2193
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:29,189
right, you should be good.

2194
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:31,600
Okay, good afternoon. There is a lot in

2195
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,280
this presentation, but in the interest

2196
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,600
of time, I am going to be summarizing

2197
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,760
and then hitting highlights as much as

2198
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,719
possible.

2199
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,119
One focus area for emergency management

2200
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:45,679
this year has been writing and updating

2201
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:48,080
plans. When I started, we had recently

2202
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,080
adopted our base emergency operation

2203
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,960
plan that outlines statutory authority

2204
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,600
during emergencies and base operations.

2205
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,000
It doesn't go in detail for specific

2206
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,080
situations. So, a lot of what you see

2207
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,960
here supplements that plan and gives

2208
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,520
specificity to a fairly scenarios might

2209
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,560
see ourselves in. The exception is that

2210
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,080
final bullet point, the community

2211
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,639
wildfire readiness plan, which was a

2212
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:14,719
required five-year rewrite for the

2213
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:20,070
state.

2214
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,159
Once you have your plans, you have to

2215
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,400
conduct exercises to train on and

2216
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,040
validate those plans. So, this year, I

2217
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,360
wrote and facilitated a wildfire

2218
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,280
evacuation tabletop and a flood

2219
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,600
tabletop. I'm also working with the

2220
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,360
school district on a couple of different

2221
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,960
school

2222
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,189
security exercises.

2223
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:43,360
In addition, there were a number of

2224
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,480
exercises I participated in locally with

2225
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,960
other agencies, private partners, and

2226
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:56,709
our healthcare preparedness coalition.

2227
01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:59,920
Another focus area for the year has been

2228
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,560
executing on various grant projects. So

2229
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:04,480
as you can see it's combination of

2230
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:07,040
infrastructure and equipment focused on

2231
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,639
response as well as community

2232
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:18,550
resilience.

2233
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,280
Also been working on outreach. So this

2234
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,119
spring and summer, I've done a lot of

2235
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:25,440
fire and flood preparedness outreach in

2236
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:26,960
conjunction with the fire break

2237
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,480
campaign.

2238
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:30,960
I also recorded some monsoon season

2239
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,280
flood PFAS with the sheriff that are

2240
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,239
running on KZMU. If you've heard mine,

2241
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,960
I'm sorry. Sheriff did a much better job

2242
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:43,350
than I did.

2243
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,119
And then a couple of other projects that

2244
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,679
I just wanted to highlight. One is the

2245
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:49,679
flood warning system. So this is

2246
01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:51,600
something that was requested by my

2247
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,360
predecessor through the division of

2248
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,199
emergency management's direct technical

2249
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:57,360
assistance program. I've been working

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01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,679
over the last year with contractor to

2251
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:02,400
develop the warning dashboard that you

2252
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,719
can see on screen. So just kind of

2253
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:06,400
developing and then refining that

2254
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,080
project as we've gone through monsoon

2255
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:13,030
season.

2256
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,199
I've been part of an inter agency effort

2257
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,679
to develop sight specific signage at

2258
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:19,600
high flood risk trail heads around the

2259
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,910
county

2260
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:25,920
and I've been working on an EOC

2261
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,840
handbook. So what you're looking at is

2262
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,920
out of our base emergency operations

2263
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,239
plan. This is what it would look like if

2264
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:33,920
we had to stand up an emergency

2265
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,920
operations center to support an

2266
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,239
incident. So, if you look, there's an

2267
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:40,560
awful lot of positions on the screen.

2268
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,320
Um, I've been working to write either a

2269
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,800
binder with job aids or just a clipboard

2270
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:48,719
checklist so that every person who comes

2271
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:50,719
into the EOC and has to slot into this

2272
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:52,960
position maybe isn't familiar with what

2273
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:54,719
it is that they're doing, they have

2274
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:56,400
something to hold on to as a starting

2275
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:04,229
place.

2276
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,159
And then I've been working with the GIS

2277
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:07,920
specialist here at the county to create

2278
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,480
a situational awareness tool within our

2279
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:17,679
existing S3 subscription. Right now it's facing first responders, right?

2280
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:19,760
It's helping us understand spatially

2281
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,080
what's going on during an emergency. But

2282
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,080
as we continue to build this out, we can

2283
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,400
also make it public facing so that if we

2284
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,520
have impacted areas, evaporation zones,

2285
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,440
road closures, it's a way that we can

2286
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:32,960
communicate that with the public as

2287
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,390
well.

2288
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,639
Looking ahead to next year, if I had to

2289
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:41,040
pick a few things to focus on here, I've

2290
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,119
been working with other agencies to

2291
01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:45,440
revive our community emergency response

2292
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,600
team. This is a team of citizen

2293
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,920
volunteers who help in the areas that

2294
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,679
they're in until first responders are

2295
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:53,119
able to arrive. So, sort of

2296
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:54,639
supplementing our first responder

2297
01:48:54,639 --> 01:48:56,239
capability.

2298
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:58,560
Continuing to develop hazard specific

2299
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,119
plans and annexes.

2300
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:03,920
Working on ways to do disaster training

2301
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,880
for non-first responder staff because if

2302
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,280
it's a big enough incident, other people

2303
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:10,960
in the county are going to have to slot

2304
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,280
into roles and and help support that

2305
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,360
incident as well. also giving them tools

2306
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,880
and training to be able to better do

2307
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,239
that. And then that last bullet point,

2308
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:22,239
our hazard mitigation plan is required

2309
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:24,719
to be updated on a five-year basis. That

2310
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:27,760
refresh is due in 2028, so I'll be

2311
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,719
working on it in 2027. The asterisk is

2312
01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:32,400
there because we're waiting for guidance

2313
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,400
to come down from FEMA. Um, you're

2314
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:35,760
probably aware there's been a lot of

2315
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,960
changes within the agency. So, I I know

2316
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,800
we're due for an update. What exactly

2317
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,280
that looks like is still kind of TV at

2318
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,280
this point.

2319
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,280
That is what I have. If you have

2320
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,199
questions, I can answer the cure or

2321
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:52,480
you're welcome to reach out to me.

2322
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:56,400
>> Any questions for K. Thank you.

2323
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:57,520
>> Thank you.

2324
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:58,320
>> Good job.

2325
01:49:58,320 --> 01:49:59,920
>> Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate all

2326
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:03,109
>> you do.

2327
01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:06,639
» And you so fast in the interest of time.

2328
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:10,000
Thank you. Okay. Power next. um

2329
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,560
department report is Michael Cleta for

2330
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:13,840
our director of the mobile office of

2331
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,880
tourism and he is going to be telling us

2332
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,320
about everything the mobile office

2333
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:47,830
tourism has been doing

2334
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,000
only have 10 minutes

2335
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,880
fast. I'm mix the director of the office

2336
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,159
tourism. Um, and this is my partner

2337
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,360
report. Um, I'm going to go over some

2338
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,600
high level updates, but the best way to

2339
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,239
keep in touch with us is by tuning into

2340
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:05,760
our board meetings, which are the second

2341
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,480
Tuesday of every month. Um, also been

2342
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,320
doing regular workshops. A lot of the

2343
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,480
work we do takes longer than timely

2344
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,080
after a board meeting. So, we've

2345
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:15,360
scheduled those outside of board

2346
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,280
meetings and so kind of in depth into

2347
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:22,629
some of our projects.

2348
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:25,760
» Wonder why everyone's lining up. Um so

2349
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,159
catch workshops they are posted in the

2350
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:30,800
same way that board meetings are. Um and

2351
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,719
another way to keep in touch is our

2352
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:34,800
website discover moab.com and our social

2353
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,360
handles at discovery.

2354
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:40,960
Um but today I am going to talk about um

2355
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,440
our campaign of the year nomination. Um

2356
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:46,560
give a brand update. Uh give an update

2357
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,760
on our co-op award and looking ahead to

2358
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,000
next year.

2359
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,719
So starting

2360
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:57,440
Um as I I mentioned at the commission

2361
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:59,360
meeting last week um we were nominated

2362
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:02,159
for campaign of the year. Um this was

2363
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:04,239
given or we were nominated by the US

2364
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:07,280
travel association um ESTO awards. It's

2365
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,119
one of tourism industry's premier

2366
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,840
organization and its highest honor. Uh

2367
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,239
the campaign that we submitted um

2368
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:15,679
generated more than 10 and a half

2369
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:19,119
million dollars in economic impact. Um

2370
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,920
30,000 plus additional hotel room nights

2371
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:24,800
and a return on investment of $58 to

2372
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,639
$228.

2373
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:29,199
Um so the award ceremonies next week.

2374
01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:30,960
We're up against two cities in New York

2375
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,199
State and one in Texas. Um other

2376
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:35,599
finalists include New York City, Denver,

2377
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:38,400
and Austin and other spending.

2378
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,560
basis recognition of work we did with

2379
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,040
Matt and Media um right when we engaged

2380
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,880
them. So the campaign runs from last

2381
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,679
summer to early this spring. Um and it's

2382
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:49,920
a really nice epic cherry on top after

2383
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:53,679
all that work getting to know that.

2384
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:54,880
>> So I also want to give you a brand

2385
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,599
update. We've been working on a a brand

2386
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,199
project for the better part of this

2387
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,520
year. Started late last fall um with

2388
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,560
camp 4 and tourists. Um this was a

2389
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:07,280
three-phase project. Um the first phase

2390
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,880
was a research phase. Second one was to

2391
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,679
develop assets and others while um into

2392
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:16,800
action. So phase one ended earlier this

2393
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,239
year January 2026 includes material

2394
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:23,679
audit um audit and landscape review. So

2395
01:53:23,679 --> 01:53:26,800
looking at other DMOS um in market

2396
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,719
research. So, we talked with locals, we

2397
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:32,000
talked with visitors, um, and spent a

2398
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,560
lot of time hearing from them and what a

2399
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:36,480
trip to Moab was like and then

2400
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:39,440
synthesizing all of that information

2401
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:42,800
to, uh, strategy and goals. So, this is

2402
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,520
a link down here. will be posted to the

2403
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,639
uh agenda item and um anyone interested

2404
01:53:48,639 --> 01:53:50,080
can explore all of these decks are

2405
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,159
linked and they're there. We also

2406
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:54,480
presented uh the research and and

2407
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,199
strategy findings um in January 13th and

2408
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:59,920
that's a link there to the YouTube page.

2409
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,080
So during phase one um we talked to more

2410
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,719
than 95 people um spent a lot of time on

2411
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:07,679
the ground um like I said talking to

2412
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:10,560
both locals and and to visitors um and

2413
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,800
then our materials audit um was

2414
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,400
reviewing what what we were inheriting

2415
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:16,960
in the office.

2416
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,480
Um when I started my observation of the

2417
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:24,320
office office was that we had uh every

2418
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,880
project looked different. Um, and when

2419
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,320
you do that, I would like to say that

2420
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,400
you're you're talking to people, you're

2421
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:31,920
doing marketing activities in different

2422
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,560
languages. Um, so getting these things

2423
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:36,800
to be consistent and look the same. You

2424
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,080
don't lose the narrative. Once you

2425
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:39,679
engage somebody, you can continue to

2426
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,840
engage them and your efforts will be

2427
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,000
more successful. So that was a big

2428
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:50,390
motivation for this project.

2429
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:54,000
So on the ground um camp for Gurus

2430
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:58,560
identified three big insights. Um the

2431
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,280
first is that time is Moab's

2432
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,400
underleveraged growth lever. Um they

2433
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:05,760
kept hearing and we'll get into this a

2434
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,880
little bit later in the presentation

2435
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,960
that um people felt that they didn't

2436
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,520
have enough time here. The second was

2437
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:17,119
that tourism tourism trends and also um

2438
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:19,199
just a visit to Moab is shifting from

2439
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:20,239
something that feels really

2440
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:22,960
transactional imagine bucket lists or I

2441
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,320
want to go only here to something

2442
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,480
relational that we had an opportunity um

2443
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,239
to tell a broader story that people

2444
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:30,159
wouldn't be just coming here to kind of

2445
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:33,599
work down a checklist. The second or the

2446
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:35,280
thirdism isn't a surprise that the

2447
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,679
landscape should be as of the main

2448
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:40,709
character.

2449
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:42,239
Um

2450
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:43,679
so we entered it to phase two. I'll

2451
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:46,000
spend more time with this. Um phase two

2452
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,320
is our our our identity and we did

2453
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,080
positioning. Um we started by

2454
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:51,599
identifying audiences. We have five

2455
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:55,040
audience types. Um from there we created

2456
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:56,560
itineraries. Kind of answered the

2457
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,520
question what would a visitor do in

2458
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,159
Moab? Um and then we started to create

2459
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:05,040
um brand positioning, messaging, um

2460
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,760
narrative executions, visual identity,

2461
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:09,920
um campaign concepts. And again, this

2462
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,159
was all presented just last week as we

2463
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:14,159
wrapped up phase two. And the link to

2464
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,560
that workshop is there. So I just wanted

2465
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,159
to review some quick quickly some of the

2466
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,760
outcomes of phase two.

2467
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,480
Um and as I kind of indicated before,

2468
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,320
the strategic shift is from a place

2469
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:31,679
from where you just visit to a place

2470
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,760
where you connect. Um, and we started to

2471
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:38,159
explore what that opportunity

2472
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:40,159
moving from quick hits to multi-day

2473
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,040
immersion, slowing down, staying longer.

2474
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,719
Um, and the best way to get to know the

2475
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:49,360
place is with kind of guided experience.

2476
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,040
That came brand standards and

2477
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,480
guidelines. We're already putting these

2478
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,080
things into work as we work with

2479
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,280
different creative partners. um you know

2480
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,440
our logo, our colors, the way we talk

2481
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:06,470
are all laid out in um directional.

2482
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,960
So one of those activities and and and I

2483
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,719
really liked that this came out of this

2484
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,760
project was you know what is the office

2485
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,679
doing almost holistically? I feel like

2486
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:17,599
we could start every movie, every

2487
01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:21,199
meeting um with this brand purpose um

2488
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:24,239
which we arrived at to say is to invite

2489
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:25,920
people into a lasting relationship with

2490
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,840
an extraordinary place through real

2491
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,599
adventure, earned understanding and

2492
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:31,599
reverence and action. So Moab stays

2493
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:33,920
vital for the people who live here and

2494
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:35,520
for the people who arrive ready to

2495
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:40,950
experience it.

2496
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,280
Sorry.

2497
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,280
Um so who is the brand for? I think this

2498
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,360
is really important to keep in mind and

2499
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,199
um [clears throat] you know creative

2500
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:50,639
assets are talking to prospective

2501
01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,719
visitors. Um of course we want to

2502
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,840
reflect the community but these this is

2503
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:58,480
the target audience is

2504
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,560
um and then just to to to show you where

2505
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:04,480
we landed on some of uh the brand assets

2506
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,560
uh we have a new logo. Two things I'd

2507
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,440
point out about our logo. We added Utah

2508
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:13,520
to the logo. I think people uh as we say

2509
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,679
uh we're from Moab either someone knows

2510
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:16,960
exactly what you're talking about or

2511
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:18,239
they ask you the followup question

2512
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:20,800
where's that um and so to get more

2513
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,560
recognition that what's safe added that

2514
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:31,350
to to the look uh an alternative version

2515
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:35,360
business logo about the Utah and

2516
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:36,880
applicable

2517
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:40,790
um we have new fonts

2518
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:44,310
others

2519
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,320
and there's some other deliverables in

2520
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:49,920
phase two um that are reviewed in that

2521
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,199
um YouTube video.

2522
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,599
>> So we're currently in phase three um and

2523
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,119
phase three is putting all of this into

2524
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:59,280
action.

2525
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,920
It includes messaging system. We we

2526
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,400
started to develop ads campaign toolkit.

2527
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,360
We're refreshing to sour.com

2528
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:10,560
um environmental integrations um and we

2529
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:14,400
will launch this all in the next few

2530
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,360
weeks here.

2531
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,239
So um one of these deliverables is a

2532
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:23,599
campaign an advertising campaign kind of

2533
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:26,880
rooted uh in brand insights. And as I

2534
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,520
sort of indicated before, one statistic

2535
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,040
that really stood out to us was that

2536
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:33,599
more than 90% of visitors we talked to

2537
01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:35,679
during the phase one re research said

2538
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:37,360
that they plan to return or wish they'd

2539
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:39,679
built in more time. So I don't think

2540
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:41,760
this is really a surprise to us that

2541
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,000
people show up and say, "I had no idea

2542
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,159
this was here. Um, you know, I came for

2543
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:48,320
Arches, but there's so much more to do."

2544
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,480
Um, and we started to feel like we sort

2545
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,239
of miss out if somebody's already come

2546
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:54,080
and they're already planning to leave.

2547
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,760
um maybe they're here for a day or two

2548
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,080
days um but they're missing a longer

2549
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,520
trip. Um and anytime you have a research

2550
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,320
insta like this that's really needy 90%

2551
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,480
of people are saying this you can really

2552
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:09,280
lean into it u and try to get leverage

2553
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:11,199
out of it.

2554
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,920
We were presented with uh three campaign

2555
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,000
concepts and we really started to go

2556
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,159
with with this insight and arrived on on

2557
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:20,560
the campaign stand that you should have

2558
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,599
stayed higher. Um, so our team started

2559
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:25,280
to mock up what a campaign could look

2560
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:29,599
like, different taglines, ad lobs,

2561
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:32,719
um, says one art down, 2,000 to go.

2562
02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:34,480
Really trying to set the expectation of

2563
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:37,360
all there is to see do here. Three days

2564
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:41,199
felt like enough until it didn't.

2565
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:42,960
Um, the truth is MOA is bigger and

2566
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:44,880
deeper than what than any trip you could

2567
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:47,119
have planned for. It's not a regret, but

2568
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:49,840
it's a reason to come and to come back.

2569
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:52,800
So MOA makes you realize you should have

2570
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,599
stayed longer.

2571
02:00:55,599 --> 02:00:57,280
Um

2572
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:58,719
I'll just go through these quick this

2573
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:00,960
quickly here, but we did a multi-day

2574
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,800
shoot. We did some in the in the winter.

2575
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,199
We also um did a big shoot in the

2576
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,199
summer. Um and these are mock-ups of

2577
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:08,960
AdLabs. What ads print ads will look

2578
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,199
like? Colorado Rivers in no hurry. So

2579
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:13,360
why are you

2580
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,360
came for two trails? Moab has 300 more

2581
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:17,840
with your name on them.

2582
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:19,199
you didn't come all this way to go to

2583
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:21,360
bed early.

2584
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,990
Wish you were still here.

2585
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,880
So, um

2586
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,119
I've also linked a campaign toolkit kind

2587
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:33,840
of what the ingredients of making making

2588
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:35,920
an ad.

2589
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,520
So, as I said, we're launching our brand

2590
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:39,040
September 8th at the day after Labor

2591
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,360
Day. Um we're going to have a series of

2592
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,080
workshops in the morning. um our regular

2593
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:46,159
scheduled Mtown meeting from 3:00 to

2594
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:48,400
5:00. Then at 5:00 we'll go over to the

2595
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,560
Mick um and do a community open house.

2596
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:51,920
We kicked off this project with

2597
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,080
community open house um and we're

2598
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,840
inviting people to come out and talk to

2599
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:57,760
us about the new campaign, the new grand

2600
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:59,520
work um and everything we do at the

2601
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:03,040
office of tourism. I got to keep going.

2602
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,880
I was going to show you guys this, but I

2603
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,440
don't.

2604
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:15,430
>> We should have

2605
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:36,870
breakfast.

2606
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:40,159
So we'll see we'll have other iterations

2607
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:43,280
of that and we'll be rolling that out.

2608
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:44,320
>> Okay, I'm going to quickly go through

2609
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,280
these other slides. Um our co-op award

2610
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:49,920
came in last Friday and we had a great

2611
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,000
result. Um the state is investing

2612
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,599
$161,000 in our um should stay longer

2613
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,840
campaign. Uh this is one of the top

2614
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,719
awards and um higher than other top

2615
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:02,719
earning DMOs like Greater Zion, Park

2616
02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:05,599
City, and Salt Lake City. Um so we're

2617
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:08,239
really excited to um have this

2618
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:11,440
investment in in this working.

2619
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,000
And then looking ahead, um we have our

2620
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,480
campaign launch. Um later that week on

2621
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,560
Friday, we're doing a Mud Springs event.

2622
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:22,480
Um grand opening and ribbon cutting. Um

2623
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,800
in the coming year um we'll be working

2624
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:26,960
with film commission to promote film

2625
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:30,639
production and film tourism. Um and as I

2626
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:32,719
look at budget season I'm looking at

2627
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:34,719
projects like data insights global

2628
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:37,599
markets support um and we're already

2629
02:03:37,599 --> 02:03:38,880
working on administration and

2630
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:41,679
operations. Um data insights would be

2631
02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:44,000
more data around who's coming, what's

2632
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,320
happening here. Um and global market

2633
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,400
support is to really encourage

2634
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,480
international visitation. um really

2635
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,480
looking at that late summer period where

2636
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:55,360
we have a wall and filling that with

2637
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:57,040
international visitors who travel during

2638
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,440
that period of time. Um to start that

2639
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,840
I'll be going to brand USA travel week

2640
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:04,320
talking to international tour operators

2641
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,760
the next month. So I went over um but

2642
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,119
thank you for your time if you have any

2643
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:10,159
questions.

2644
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,639
>> It was great. Thank you mwes awesome

2645
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:17,040
awards. Any questions? Mike,

2646
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,760
>> thanks for that uh film uh tourism plug

2647
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,199
right there. It was really nice going

2648
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:25,679
out to a set of of the set of Obsidian

2649
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:27,920
and uh I I want the general public to

2650
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:31,520
know. Uh there was roughly 250 plus

2651
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,080
people out in the desert uh on a film

2652
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,000
set and they're contributing right to

2653
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,480
our local economy. Uh most people didn't

2654
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:40,320
even know they were out there, but it

2655
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:41,760
was absolutely awesome to partake in

2656
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,840
that as I wear the hat.

2657
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,320
Uh, and I thank you guys for having me

2658
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,480
out and you guys going out too to see uh

2659
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:51,280
to take part in that.

2660
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:52,080
>> Bill,

2661
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,760
>> yeah, I think you're doing you and your

2662
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,840
team are doing a great job. I really

2663
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:58,639
appreciate the the message is positive.

2664
02:04:58,639 --> 02:05:00,480
I just appreciate that what we're

2665
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,960
seeing.

2666
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,599
>> Yeah. Anybody else?

2667
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:06,960
>> Thanks, Mick.

2668
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:07,280
>> Great.

2669
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:10,719
>> Thank you very much.

2670
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:13,440
>> All right. Thank you very much.

2671
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:16,560
Next we have our engineering department

2672
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:27,189
Shangh

2673
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:29,280
suggested that in the interest of time I

2674
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:33,520
just verbally present this but then

2675
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:41,669
presentation both with the agenda

2676
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:46,080
strers as well as staff in serving Grand

2677
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:47,760
County citizens and the tourists that

2678
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,272
visit our area here.

2679
02:05:50,272 --> 02:05:50,800
[clears throat]

2680
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,560
I think Jacques said it the best when he

2681
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:54,800
said finding the zoning is a lightning

2682
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,679
rod. And I think we're I think we're on

2683
02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:00,719
the verge of really um harnessing that

2684
02:06:00,719 --> 02:06:04,400
energy in a good way to better serve

2685
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:07,760
both developers and contractors with new

2686
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:10,400
folks on board with a new building

2687
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,679
inspector as well as Andrew Jackson who

2688
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:16,080
is uh leading the charge in priority

2689
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:19,599
number one. commercial canvas as the

2690
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:23,679
chair stated in the commissioner

2691
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:25,679
commission's priorities. The priority

2692
02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:30,159
statement um as you know was published

2693
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:33,920
July 1st and as I was reading some of

2694
02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:37,280
those priorities those 10 priorities um

2695
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,280
published by the chair there's some

2696
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:40,880
words that just jumped off the page to

2697
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,119
me and it was completing outstanding

2698
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:46,239
deliverables. I think deep deep in our

2699
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,159
heart of hearts, every staff member,

2700
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:50,400
every commissioner, every administrator

2701
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:52,560
and I think every every citizen and

2702
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:56,000
county in the counties wants to see um

2703
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,000
outstanding deliverables, maybe even be

2704
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,159
a part of that.

2705
02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:02,880
Um,

2706
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:03,760
engineering [clears throat]

2707
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,239
touches two of those or two through

2708
02:07:06,239 --> 02:07:08,719
eight of those priorities from strategic

2709
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:11,119
plan strate strategy and plan for

2710
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:12,719
development areas all the way down to

2711
02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:14,480
aligning the organizational structures

2712
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:17,440
and resources to accomplish the goals.

2713
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:20,480
engineering has has a part that it's I

2714
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,000
feel like I'm kind of in a soccer game

2715
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:23,760
where I'm running down the field with

2716
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:25,520
the team and the ball gets passed over

2717
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:27,840
and I tap it over here and I try to

2718
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:31,040
direct something in a way that will help

2719
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,840
whoever the striker might be. Oftentimes

2720
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:35,520
it's the commissioners and those on

2721
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:37,360
committees to score the goal for the

2722
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:39,840
county.

2723
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:43,109
Um

2724
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:46,159
panelists uh put this together. I'm sure

2725
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:50,639
this was a joint effort with all of the commissioners, but uh the priority

2726
02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:53,840
statement for fiscal year 2026 is as we

2727
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,079
continue to work as we continue our work

2728
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:58,639
to serve the residents of Grand County,

2729
02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:01,280
maintaining clear alignment between our

2730
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:03,599
overarching long range goals and daily

2731
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:06,800
operations is essential and and truly it

2732
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,520
is. I know that uh there's a wide

2733
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,280
variety of priorities depending on who

2734
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:12,639
you talk to on the commissioner,

2735
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:16,560
citizens of the county, but actually um

2736
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,719
putting the rubber to the road on a

2737
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:20,480
daily basis and working towards those

2738
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,239
goals is how those will be achieved.

2739
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:26,320
Um [clears throat]

2740
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,840
I'm involved as county engineer in three

2741
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,239
main areas. One is the strategy and plan

2742
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:34,880
for development areas. And so as I

2743
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:37,760
assist Andrew Jackson, the news center

2744
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:41,199
in the planning and zoning efforts, um I

2745
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:43,199
do such things as review development

2746
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:47,199
paths, um work with developers like Matt

2747
02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:50,800
Gul and and

2748
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:52,560
making sure that they're they're taken

2749
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,000
care of. In fact, today I went out with

2750
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:56,320
a building inspector and inspected some

2751
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,280
uh some rebar that was being placed for

2752
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,679
a retaining wall that the Royal Crossing

2753
02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:04,239
was putting in to help further improve

2754
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,400
their drainage.

2755
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,159
Another thing I've worked on this year,

2756
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:10,000
and this is something I know that's been

2757
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:11,760
near and dear to Commissioner Winfield's

2758
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,239
heart as well as a couple other

2759
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:16,320
commissioners here, it's the uh North

2760
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,679
Thompson replat. Um to date we have 18

2761
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:22,560
of the required 25 signatures

2762
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:25,280
for owner consent forms which will allow

2763
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,719
us to adjust those property lines in

2764
02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:30,239
North Thompson. So that means there's

2765
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,639
only seven remaining signatures and I

2766
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:35,119
believe we can get those secured here in

2767
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:37,360
the next couple months.

2768
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:40,159
May or may not take a public meeting.

2769
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:43,920
Also along those lines, ABC Thompson is

2770
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,880
owned by SA

2771
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:48,800
who's working to get that restaurant up

2772
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,239
and going out there in Thompson. And

2773
02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:53,040
that'll be the very nice revitalization

2774
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:56,000
project for that area as well as the two

2775
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,199
water lines that we would like to take

2776
02:09:59,199 --> 02:10:02,560
out there as well as

2777
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:04,560
junction.

2778
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:07,440
Another real hot topic obviously over

2779
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,239
the years has been flooding mitigation.

2780
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:13,119
We will be starting a flood mitigation

2781
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:15,760
project, Jackson Street Storm Vin

2782
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,920
Institute project. We have a

2783
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:20,239
pre-construction meeting on August 24th

2784
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:23,280
and we'll be starting construction

2785
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,520
sometime in September based on when UD

2786
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:28,400
do issues their encroachment permit.

2787
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,480
Expect that to be completed by spring

2788
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,400
2027.

2789
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:34,159
Also included in this packet, I've sat

2790
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:36,800
on a few meetings obviously

2791
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,360
more oftentimes is the fly on the wall,

2792
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:40,560
but I know there's been a lot of work

2793
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,719
put into the umptra

2794
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:45,840
um asset management between Commissioner

2795
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:48,079
Gan and Bill Winfield

2796
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:50,639
as well as Mark Tiner.

2797
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:52,230
Um,

2798
02:10:52,230 --> 02:10:54,400
[clears throat] also we've been working

2799
02:10:54,400 --> 02:11:00,159
on the u the Moab town boat ramp's been

2800
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:03,199
head of that effort and uh been working

2801
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:04,719
with

2802
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:08,950
Na'vi Ladawitz on

2803
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:10,159
preparing [clears throat] to get

2804
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:13,280
preparing to apply for both federal and

2805
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:16,239
uh state grants. Um, we've received a

2806
02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:17,920
lot of good input from Commissioner

2807
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,239
Martinez with respect to grant strategy

2808
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:21,760
and things like that. That should be a

2809
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,480
pretty good project as we move on down

2810
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,719
the uh permitting line. We do have a

2811
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:30,560
meeting uh

2812
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:32,719
later this week with the board of

2813
02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:34,960
engineers so we can get our threat and

2814
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:38,400
endangered species clearances

2815
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,356
taken care of in that area. Um

2816
02:11:41,356 --> 02:11:42,800
[clears throat] perhaps the uh the bulk

2817
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:44,639
of the time

2818
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:47,040
of the engineers spent

2819
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:51,119
assisting and planning and zoning. And

2820
02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:53,280
from coming on board about a year ago,

2821
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,679
my goal has always been to try to my

2822
02:11:55,679 --> 02:11:59,679
best possible way is to make it so that

2823
02:11:59,679 --> 02:12:01,360
the people that leave planning zoning

2824
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,040
office have a smile on their face. They

2825
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,360
feel like they've had their concerns

2826
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:08,560
addressed and uh that we've done all

2827
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:12,079
that we can to do to help them um move

2828
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:14,880
down the process of getting a project

2829
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:18,950
approved.

2830
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:22,000
And along those lines, uh we've issued

2831
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,440
many development approvals,

2832
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:25,760
subdivisions, preliminary final site

2833
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:29,440
plans. Um, one thing of note is we we

2834
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:31,440
issued a permit for the Canyon Spirit

2835
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:34,079
formerly Rocky Mountain

2836
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:37,599
train that uh it's a tourist train that

2837
02:12:37,599 --> 02:12:40,079
comes through here and it seemed to have

2838
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:41,760
been held up in obligation for quite

2839
02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:45,280
some time. Um,

2840
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:51,350
let's see. Also,

2841
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:53,599
one of the things that we do get some

2842
02:12:53,599 --> 02:12:56,560
complaints on is this night sky the dark

2843
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,320
sky initiative. [clears throat] I've

2844
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,400
included a photo in this packet that

2845
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:03,280
shows a development that was approved.

2846
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:06,400
Um the final the final's been completed

2847
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:08,639
and they're asking for a bond release,

2848
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:10,560
but we we are getting some complaints

2849
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,040
from some light glare there. So, we're

2850
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:16,079
I'm working with Brandon Black on on

2851
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:17,520
addressing some of those glare

2852
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,320
complaints and working with the

2853
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,800
contractor and the developer relation to

2854
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:28,229
get their bond released.

2855
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:31,040
» Yes. Are there any questions might have

2856
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:33,119
as far as progress or projects or

2857
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:36,079
anything?

2858
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:39,360
uh the Spanish Valley multiuse pathway.

2859
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:41,119
We haven't had an update on that in just

2860
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:42,719
a little while and I know last time we

2861
02:13:42,719 --> 02:13:43,920
were talking about that it was

2862
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,159
acquisitions. Was wondering where that

2863
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:47,199
might be.

2864
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:48,639
>> Yeah, there are some there are some

2865
02:13:48,639 --> 02:13:50,560
property owners there that had some

2866
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:54,320
additional concerns with some

2867
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:56,480
retaining walls along the front of the

2868
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,400
property

2869
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:00,639
as well as individuals at the top of

2870
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:03,040
that. Yeah,

2871
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:06,400
>> that ties into Royal Crossing

2872
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:08,880
where Judy Larson, our rightway agent,

2873
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:12,639
is going back and forth on particulars.

2874
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:14,400
So, we're just kind of waiting to settle

2875
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:16,719
on state owners there. Okay. Um I think

2876
02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:18,800
the feeling is that we don't want to

2877
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:20,719
offer too much more than we've already

2878
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:23,679
offered the appraisers the appraisals

2879
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:25,840
but uh

2880
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,719
I anticipate and in talking with David

2881
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:30,480
Riddle that by the end of this year we

2882
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,239
should be

2883
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:35,199
negotiation portion of it and have a set

2884
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:36,320
of plans that are ready for

2885
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:38,320
advertisement.

2886
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:40,560
Obviously, I know that there's a a

2887
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:42,639
number of different funding competing

2888
02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:45,440
interests in the county for for probably

2889
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:47,840
different things, but at some point, I

2890
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:50,960
think the commission will perhaps need

2891
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:52,960
to make some decisions on those areas.

2892
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:54,800
But we should be ready to rock and roll

2893
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,000
in a thing of spring of 2027 as far as

2894
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,199
construction.

2895
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:01,440
>> I think all the stars.

2896
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,040
>> Hope they do. Thanks, Sean.

2897
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,440
>> Thanks, John.

2898
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:07,280
>> Thank you. Thank you for uh bringing in

2899
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,920
my priorities uh statement in there. I

2900
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:11,760
appreciate it and tying in. A lot does

2901
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:13,280
go into your office. You do a lot of

2902
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:14,880
things around the county. So, thank you

2903
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:16,800
so much. You're welcome.

2904
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:18,000
>> Oh, has question.

2905
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,239
>> Is there any way that we could have this

2906
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:24,719
put on into the packet so that uh the

2907
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:26,719
public can see it and we can refer back

2908
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:27,840
to it easier?

2909
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:29,280
>> Yeah, I was gonna I was going to post

2910
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,360
it, but I think the closing time had

2911
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,000
closed. So, um, Dan had recommended I

2912
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,119
post this following the meeting.

2913
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:38,239
>> Thank you.

2914
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:39,440
>> I have one more question.

2915
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:40,719
>> Yeah, thanks for all you're doing.

2916
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:42,639
You're scattered all over the county and

2917
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:44,560
it's good to see I mean the stuff in

2918
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:46,239
Thompson Springs been a long time

2919
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:48,560
coming. I think we started or I started

2920
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:50,400
on part of that when I first became a

2921
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:52,800
commissioner. So, it's good to see that

2922
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:54,560
one moving along. And also the flood

2923
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:57,280
work. You know, there's a lot of

2924
02:15:57,280 --> 02:15:59,280
maybe even a lack of information out

2925
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,040
there. the amount of flood work that we

2926
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:02,639
are doing right now and it's an area.

2927
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:04,320
>> I just appreciate you highlighting that

2928
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:05,840
because we've got flood work going on

2929
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,520
all over the county right now.

2930
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:09,760
>> Yeah, Cody in particular is doing

2931
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,599
day-to-day stuff out there and it's just

2932
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:13,840
all over the county. So maybe we can do

2933
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:15,679
maybe a flood mitigation presentation

2934
02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:18,159
that we're live doing.

2935
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:22,629
>> Yeah. Thank you, Sean.

2936
02:16:22,639 --> 02:16:24,320
» Okay. Okay. And with that, we will move

2937
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:26,880
on to our general business action items,

2938
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:29,440
discussion, consideration of approval.

2939
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,280
But before we move to our first agenda

2940
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:32,800
item today, I wanted to take a brief

2941
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:36,000
moment to reflect on why each one of us

2942
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:39,200
is going to turn. We represent a vital

2943
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:41,040
vibrant community with diverse

2944
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,519
viewpoints. And it's entirely natural

2945
02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:45,280
and even necessary that we won't always

2946
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,679
agree on every issue. We all have

2947
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:49,760
differing perspectives on how best to

2948
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,160
serve our residents. However, how we

2949
02:16:52,160 --> 02:16:53,599
treat one another during these

2950
02:16:53,599 --> 02:16:56,000
discussions dictates whether our

2951
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,399
community moves forward or stalls in

2952
02:16:58,399 --> 02:16:59,920
division.

2953
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:01,920
Our primary duty as commissioners is not

2954
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,920
to win arguments or to score political

2955
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,160
points. It is to make decisions that

2956
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,080
serve the best interests of Brown County

2957
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,559
as a whole. So disagreement is a

2958
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:12,160
fundamental part of representative

2959
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:14,639
government. But personal attacks,

2960
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:17,679
interruptions, walkouts, and hostility

2961
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:19,920
undermine public trust and distract from

2962
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:21,760
the work our constituents elected us to

2963
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:24,719
do. So moving forward, I expect the

2964
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:26,800
following standards of decorum for

2965
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:28,800
everyone in this chamber. For

2966
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:30,719
commissioners, I want you to focus on

2967
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:32,960
policy merits, not the personal

2968
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:35,599
motivations of the person speaking.

2969
02:17:35,599 --> 02:17:37,280
Respect the floor and allow each

2970
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,479
commissioner to speak without

2971
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:41,120
interruption. and keep our shared goal

2972
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:44,000
at the forefront which is finding

2973
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,719
practical solutions for Grant County.

2974
02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:49,280
And for the citizens participating in

2975
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:51,439
public comment, I want you to address

2976
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:53,599
this the commission as a whole rather

2977
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:55,359
than directing remarks or personal

2978
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:57,120
criticisms at individual commissioners

2979
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:00,160
or staff. Keep your comments civil and

2980
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:01,920
constructive and focused on county

2981
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:05,120
business and agenda topics. And lastly,

2982
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:07,760
please respect time limits and the

2983
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,760
public space so that everyone who wishes

2984
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:11,920
to speak has equal opportunity to be

2985
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:15,280
heard without a disruption or applause.

2986
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,519
So, our community is watching and let's

2987
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:19,120
serve our community with the respect it

2988
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:22,240
deserves. And with that, we will have

2989
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:24,399
our commission member disclosures and

2990
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:26,319
future considerations. Yes,

2991
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:27,840
>> as always, wife works for the sheriff's

2992
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:30,719
department. And just to revisit future

2993
02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:34,240
consideration, I would still like

2994
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:36,960
uh the website updated with taxation

2995
02:18:36,960 --> 02:18:40,000
percentage uh charts and an approximate

2996
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,479
tax calculator. I know I talked about it

2997
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:45,439
last time, but uh I don't know where

2998
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:48,800
that fell, so just

2999
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:51,760
I want that on the website.

3000
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:52,160
Okay,

3001
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:53,679
>> Mary, go ahead.

3002
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:56,399
>> Yes. Uh begin with probably having

3003
02:18:56,399 --> 02:18:59,040
budget um voting or budgeting. So, I

3004
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:02,639
need to disclose that my son works at uh

3005
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:05,760
Sandlads. And secondly, I want to

3006
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:09,760
express that uh and I spoke to attorney

3007
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:12,656
Starks, our county attorney, that

3008
02:19:12,656 --> 02:19:16,240
[clears throat] I have the right when

3009
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,120
talking on a subject, if the subject

3010
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:23,040
matter I'm referring to is the agenda

3011
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,040
item

3012
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:28,080
and it's a vote has been done had

3013
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:32,800
previously been voted on, I have the

3014
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:34,319
right

3015
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:37,519
to express that I would like to have the

3016
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:40,800
commissions reconsider their vote. I

3017
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:45,040
have the right to ask that. I um you

3018
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:46,559
don't

3019
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:48,479
you know it's your choice and you're the

3020
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:50,240
ones that would get to bring it up. I

3021
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:54,560
can't. But it's my right to express my

3022
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:56,479
concern

3023
02:19:56,479 --> 02:19:59,120
and I don't want to be called point of

3024
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:04,469
order again.

3025
02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:07,520
and Brian, you have your hand up.

3026
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,840
>> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, two future

3027
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:11,920
considerations. One is I'd like to bring

3028
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:15,120
forward some water projects um that uh

3029
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,200
Grand County Water and Sewer is going to

3030
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:19,760
be looking for some match funding on.

3031
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:21,359
And then there are a couple of planning

3032
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:23,359
grants. And then the second is is I

3033
02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:25,200
would like to bring forward again the

3034
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:27,760
updated uh motorized

3035
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:30,479
so that we can get that uh um thatouou

3036
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:32,080
uh resigned and brought back in front of

3037
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:35,349
the commission.

3038
02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:37,280
» I think we're fine. Go ahead, Bill.

3039
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,600
>> And then we talked in our last budget

3040
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,800
meeting regard there was a need to see a

3041
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,280
little bit more of our grants

3042
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:47,600
centralized. I think you were there,

3043
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,080
Shantel. But it would be nice if all of

3044
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,720
our grants were somehow or other they're

3045
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:55,120
centralized on one document where we

3046
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:56,800
could look at them and see where the

3047
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:59,760
match money is coming from and possibly

3048
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:01,840
what the status of those grants are,

3049
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:03,680
where we're at in them, nearing

3050
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:05,760
completion or just beginning, that kind

3051
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:08,960
of a thing. And it's, you know, there's

3052
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:11,120
no time frame. I just think that that's

3053
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,200
great information when we're in those

3054
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:16,160
discussions.

3055
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,560
Okay,

3056
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:20,800
moving on to our approval of consent

3057
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:22,720
agenda items.

3058
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:24,000
Total bills in the amount of

3059
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:28,790
1,668,875.37.

3060
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:33,429
Total payroll 59,18.77.

3061
02:21:33,439 --> 02:21:35,200
So the total bills and payroll is

3062
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:42,309
$1,658,894.14.

3063
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:44,399
B is ratification of the film commission

3064
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:47,120
sponsorship of location managers guild

3065
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:49,920
international awards. C. Letter of

3066
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,240
support for USU's grant application for

3067
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:55,359
the ending wasted food award nurse

3068
02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:58,240
nourish smart families contract

3069
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:00,479
extension of the verdict playgrounds

3070
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:03,439
OSTA playground project and contract

3071
02:22:03,439 --> 02:22:05,600
extension for Rener sports pickle ball

3072
02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:07,359
project.

3073
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:09,680
F is ratification of the grant contract

3074
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:12,800
amendment for springs phase one. G grant

3075
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:15,040
application OV trail coordinator

3076
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:18,800
position in 2027 to 2028.

3077
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,040
H is a recommended reappoint of historic

3078
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,000
preservation commission members. I

3079
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,880
secondary manufacturers o is the void

3080
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:30,160
contingent B application. J letter of

3081
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,160
support for funding a request to the

3082
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:33,920
department of natural resources for the

3083
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:37,280
Colorado River boat grant. K appointment

3084
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,520
of two vacancies on the budget advisory

3085
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:42,240
board. and L is the revision of job

3086
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:44,000
description and backtail request for the

3087
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:47,120
OSA administrative assistant bill.

3088
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:51,200
>> Motion to approve as stated.

3089
02:22:51,200 --> 02:23:02,309
>> Thank all in favor.

3090
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:05,670
Sorry,

3091
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,280
we couldn't see you. You raise your

3092
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:11,429
hand, Brian.

3093
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:13,200
Yes, I did. Thanks.

3094
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:16,800
>> Seven. That has a seven out. Thank you.

3095
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:19,439
All right. So, number seven is

3096
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:20,960
postponed, but that was approval of

3097
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:22,960
outdoor recreation mitigation grant

3098
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:24,240
letter of acknowledgement. We just have

3099
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:27,359
a little bit more work to do on that.

3100
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:30,319
Um, eight is a resolution amending the

3101
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:34,000
2026 budget.

3102
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,190
Chantel,

3103
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:40,160
» good evening. Um, a little different

3104
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,640
sitting up here. Administrator Tiner

3105
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,800
requested that I sit up here while the

3106
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:48,640
clerk auditor is out for a bit. Um, I'm

3107
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:50,160
here tonight to present on the

3108
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,240
resolution to amend the 2026 Grand

3109
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,000
County budget.

3110
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:55,520
One of the largest areas of adjustment

3111
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,439
in this budget amendment is salaries and

3112
02:23:57,439 --> 02:23:59,680
benefits. As you are aware, we began the

3113
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:01,840
year with a hiring freeze and still are

3114
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,160
in hiring freeze. As a result, several

3115
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,840
vacant positions were not included in

3116
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:07,760
the opening budget. Throughout the year,

3117
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:09,359
as department heads brought requests to

3118
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:10,720
the commission to fill those vacant

3119
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,160
positions, and those requests were

3120
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,160
approved, the corresponding salaries and

3121
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:15,680
benefits needed to be added to the

3122
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:17,840
budget. Therefore, a significant portion

3123
02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:19,600
of the proposed budget amendments is

3124
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:21,200
related to positions that were approved

3125
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:23,280
during the year but were not included in

3126
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:25,680
the original adopted budget. As we move

3127
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:27,200
closer to the final budget, there will

3128
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:28,720
be several additional line item

3129
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:30,080
adjustments that will need to be

3130
02:24:30,080 --> 02:24:31,520
addressed and we will bring those

3131
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:32,720
forward and make the necessary

3132
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:35,040
amendments at that time. I'm happy to

3133
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,720
answer any questions or provide any

3134
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:40,800
additional clarification regarding any of the proposed amendments

3135
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:42,160
in the budget.

3136
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,000
>> Thank you, Chantel. Go ahead.

3137
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:45,840
>> I move to approve the resolution

3138
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:50,560
amending the 2026 Grand County budget.

3139
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:55,040
Second by Mike. Any discussion?

3140
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:58,479
Go ahead, Jacques. Um, uh, this we've

3141
02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:00,479
gone through this budget quite a bit.

3142
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:02,640
Um, we've had a workshop and discussed

3143
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:04,000
various aspects of it in various

3144
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:07,120
meetings. There's a few big, uh, ticket

3145
02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:09,920
items I don't approve of on the budget.

3146
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:11,280
I think you guys all know what I'm

3147
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:14,319
talking about. Same time, u budgeting

3148
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:15,680
process is something that we all go

3149
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:18,160
through together. Um previous to this

3150
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:21,200
commission uh the

3151
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:24,160
commissioners voted against uh the

3152
02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:25,359
budget presented by the entire

3153
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:27,976
commission um brought up

3154
02:25:27,976 --> 02:25:28,160
>> [clears throat]

3155
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:30,880
>> uh opinions or grievances at the last

3156
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:34,399
minute um even though I don't support

3157
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:35,920
things in this budget. I support the

3158
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:40,399
process and um getting this done

3159
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:44,399
together. So, I will uh perhaps against

3160
02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:46,160
my better judgment vote to approve this

3161
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:48,000
budget. Thanks.

3162
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:50,880
>> Thank you. I can't see Trish online if

3163
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:53,120
she is. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. By each

3164
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:56,000
other. Oh. Oh, there you go. Trish, go

3165
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,359
ahead. [clears throat]

3166
02:25:57,359 --> 02:25:59,359
>> Um Chantel, you might not be able to

3167
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:00,640
answer this question and I should have

3168
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:02,560
asked this in an earlier workshop, but I

3169
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,359
noticed the the com admin had a fairly

3170
02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:08,960
large line item of overtime added. And

3171
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:12,880
do you can can you give me any specifics

3172
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,880
as to where that might have been coming

3173
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:16,640
from?

3174
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:20,000
>> Yes. Um that is coming from um one of

3175
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:23,600
the staff members um the economic

3176
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:27,760
development staff position.

3177
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,160
>> And do you know what projects they're

3178
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:31,040
working on?

3179
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:32,960
>> I don't. Um I'm sure that Mark can

3180
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:35,680
address that since she is in his

3181
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,870
department.

3182
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:41,040
Yeah, Commissioner Hading, she is

3183
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,760
working on several different projects.

3184
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:48,240
Um, one specifically is the shuttle at

3185
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:52,070
Current.

3186
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:53,520
» I'm sorry I didn't catch that last

3187
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:55,040
little bit, Mark, like the last three

3188
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:55,840
words.

3189
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:58,479
>> Yes, ma'am. She is primarily at at

3190
02:26:58,479 --> 02:27:00,800
current she is working on the shuttle

3191
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:04,960
system and and implementing that at

3192
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:06,000
current.

3193
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:08,399
>> Okay. And to clarify one other thing,

3194
02:27:08,399 --> 02:27:11,520
Trish, this is a midyear, so this is as

3195
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:16,399
of 7:15. Um, if I assume that we will

3196
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,319
once again for the next six months need

3197
02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:20,720
the exact same amount or possibly more

3198
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:27,190
on that line item for her job.

3199
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:28,720
» Bill had a question. Oh,

3200
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:29,359
>> go ahead.

3201
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,920
>> Yeah, I don't have a question. Maybe

3202
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,600
question. Isn't a big portion of her

3203
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:39,190
salary state funded?

3204
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:41,439
Yes. Yes, it is.

3205
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:46,000
>> Thank you. And then the other point is I do know that we're looking at one

3206
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:48,880
position to add this this commission

3207
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:50,720
meeting in the future. It's very clear

3208
02:27:50,720 --> 02:27:52,720
that we need to add a position in that

3209
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,040
office to get her some help, which would

3210
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:59,439
reduce that overtime, I'm sure.

3211
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:00,800
Mike,

3212
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,240
>> not to sound like a sounding board here,

3213
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:04,880
but that speaks to her need for uh uh

3214
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:06,880
the second position. It also speaks to

3215
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:10,399
the need of uh uh I'm Commissioner

3216
02:28:10,399 --> 02:28:12,479
Herine and myself reached out to her

3217
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:16,240
today to uh try to get uh a letter in

3218
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:19,840
reference to HOSA out. Uh we we are we

3219
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:21,359
are

3220
02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:24,800
work varied away varied array of work

3221
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,439
with her. So she's all over the board.

3222
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:29,520
Yeah, she was instrumental in the fixed

3223
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,200
guideway tax discussion that we had

3224
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,560
today and in every one of those

3225
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:36,880
meetings. She's in on the um

3226
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:38,560
you know diversification economic

3227
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:40,560
diversification. She's constantly worked

3228
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:41,840
on projects that go with that. She's

3229
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:46,960
helped over the um the senior project.

3230
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:50,319
We've worked on the senior um needs

3231
02:28:50,319 --> 02:28:52,640
assessment. She also helped me with the

3232
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:54,800
healthc care districts RFP getting that

3233
02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:58,960
out for the senior housing um that we're

3234
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:01,520
looking at doing the healthcare

3235
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:02,960
district. So there's a lot of projects

3236
02:29:02,960 --> 02:29:05,439
that she's working on.

3237
02:29:05,439 --> 02:29:07,040
That would be it. But but it is

3238
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:10,800
partially funded by the state of Utah.

3239
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:14,800
Any other questions? All right. Oh,

3240
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:16,720
Brian, go ahead.

3241
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:18,720
>> Oh, yeah. Thank you, chair. Yeah, I just

3242
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:20,560
wanted to add on to that. you know, she

3243
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:22,160
also helped out with the housing task

3244
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:24,319
force in getting the pipeline study done

3245
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:27,280
as well. And then at one of the

3246
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:30,399
workshops, I did ask Tess to go ahead

3247
02:29:30,399 --> 02:29:33,200
and bring forward a reclassification for

3248
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:35,760
that position and a part-time staff. And

3249
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:37,439
I'd like to see if we can maybe add that

3250
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:41,600
on to one of the future agenda items.

3251
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:45,750
um

3252
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,720
» um okay I won't get into too much of

3253
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:53,520
that but anyways um I I I appreciate

3254
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,000
Jock's comment. I appreciate the

3255
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:59,040
workshops that we've done on the budget.

3256
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:00,319
I [clears throat] am a big fan of

3257
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:02,000
workshops. You probably know that at

3258
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:03,920
least we can have discussions and

3259
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,399
hopefully move through things in a in a

3260
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:08,479
logical manner. I will not be supporting

3261
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:11,760
this budget amendment um due to I think

3262
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:14,240
the big things for me are was our lack

3263
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:17,920
of ability to provide colas for our

3264
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:19,840
employees. You know, an understanding

3265
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:22,160
that a cola is an increase in income to

3266
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:25,200
offset inflation. It is not at all a

3267
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:27,840
raise. And then lastly, the addition of

3268
02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:31,680
$500,000 for um the Moab to Arches

3269
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,840
shuttle that I think it should be

3270
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:36,160
understood that has had a tremendous

3271
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:39,359
amount of community push back. So even

3272
02:30:39,359 --> 02:30:41,359
though I appreciate the process, I will

3273
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:45,040
not be supporting this amended budget.

3274
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:47,200
Right.

3275
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:49,280
I will not be supporting the amended

3276
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:53,600
budget uh because of my concern not only

3277
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:58,000
for the money that has been allocated to

3278
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:01,280
the shuttle. My concern is the need to

3279
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:04,319
have another staff member in the

3280
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:07,200
administrative office can be directly

3281
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:10,399
tied to the shuttle.

3282
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:14,000
>> Okay, we're going to call for a vote.

3283
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,160
raise your hand still. Are you another

3284
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:19,830
comment?

3285
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:21,200
» Oh, no. She

3286
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:23,680
>> Okay. All right. Well, we have first and

3287
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,960
second on the action item number eight.

3288
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:29,120
All in favor?

3289
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:30,560
>> I.

3290
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:39,349
>> And those post.

3291
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:41,520
Oh, Trish, did you raise your hand or

3292
02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:44,399
say it? I'm opposed. I'm opposed.

3293
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:46,720
>> Okay. All right. So, that passes 52 with

3294
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:48,399
Commissioner Hedin and Commissioner Man

3295
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:50,800
in opposition. And with that, we are

3296
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:52,960
going to move to the citizens to be

3297
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:55,359
heard. I did notice a few citizens came

3298
02:31:55,359 --> 02:31:58,080
in after I um spoke. And I did want to

3299
02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:01,920
remind everyone in this chambers that we

3300
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,080
all have a decorum and I and I did read

3301
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:05,760
it to the commissioners, but I'll remind

3302
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:08,640
the citizens pres uh uh participating in

3303
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:10,240
public comment that we want you to

3304
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:13,280
address this the mission as a whole.

3305
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:15,120
Keep your comment civil and constructive

3306
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,040
and focused and then also please respect

3307
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,920
the time limits as a public space. Thank

3308
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:21,359
you. And with that, we'll start our

3309
02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:24,880
citizens to be heard. And who in the

3310
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:25,439
spring?

3311
02:32:25,439 --> 02:32:27,600
>> Oh, sorry. you'll be next.

3312
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:30,080
>> Sarah, come on up. Sorry. I'm sorry.

3313
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:31,760
You're good.

3314
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:32,800
>> Hi, [clears throat] my friends. How are

3315
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:33,520
you all doing?

3316
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:34,399
>> Good. How are you?

3317
02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:35,600
>> Good. Um,

3318
02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:37,359
>> say your name.

3319
02:32:37,359 --> 02:32:40,560
>> Sarah Malnikov, No Solutions. I'm here

3320
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:43,920
today to offer my full my wholehearted

3321
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:46,160
support for a full-time victim advocate

3322
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:49,280
for the county. Victims of crime are

3323
02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:52,560
highly traumatized individuals.

3324
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:55,600
Having an advocate on scene is crucial

3325
02:32:55,600 --> 02:33:00,800
to alleviate fear and it sets up um aid

3326
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:02,640
going forward.

3327
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:06,240
Uh navigating the long and complicated

3328
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:09,439
legal process through the courts is not

3329
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:12,640
meant to retraumatize people. I think it

3330
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:14,960
sometimes can. But with a with a victim

3331
02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:18,160
advocate walking people through the

3332
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:22,080
whole process, it it makes it a lot

3333
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:25,600
better. That's vitally important. We

3334
02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:28,720
can't measure the absence of bad that

3335
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:31,520
good creates. I always look at the

3336
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,280
mentoring program and I think how many

3337
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:35,840
kids would be in trouble if they didn't

3338
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,680
have loving mentors helping them

3339
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:40,160
throughout time. So we can't measure it.

3340
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:41,920
And the same would be true for a victim

3341
02:33:41,920 --> 02:33:44,479
advocate. But I'm out on the street all

3342
02:33:44,479 --> 02:33:46,720
the time. I see the nitty-gritty and the

3343
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:49,760
dirt and this is sorely needed and I

3344
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:52,479
hope you guys will consider it. Thank

3345
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:53,760
you very much.

3346
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:55,520
>> Thank you.

3347
02:33:55,520 --> 02:34:03,510
Okay, Taylor, come on up.

3348
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:05,600
» Good evening. My name is Taylor Johnson.

3349
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,600
I live in Grand County. I'm here tonight

3350
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,280
as a local business owner and a member

3351
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:10,800
of this community. And I want to make

3352
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:12,720
something very clear. I support the

3353
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:14,240
shuttle pilot and I want to publicly

3354
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:16,399
thank Commissioner Brian Martinez, Bill

3355
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:18,240
Winfield, Melody McCandless, and Mike

3356
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:19,920
McCertie for being willing to support it

3357
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:22,080
and give it a fair chance. Brian

3358
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:23,760
deserves recognition for his leadership

3359
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:26,000
in helping bring this pilot forward. And

3360
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:27,760
I also want to recognize Bill, Melody,

3361
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:30,000
and Mike for standing behind it. I know

3362
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:31,439
there's been tremendous criticism

3363
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:33,520
surrounding this project. Those of us

3364
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:35,600
who support what you're trying to

3365
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:37,680
accomplish need to speak up, too. It's

3366
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,760
easy to criticize a new idea. It's

3367
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:42,160
harder to vote put one forward and

3368
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,080
ultimately be accountable for whether it

3369
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:46,319
succeeds or fails. I don't expect this

3370
02:34:46,319 --> 02:34:48,560
pilot to be perfect. I expect it to be a

3371
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:50,880
pilot. I also want to briefly address

3372
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:53,040
the Arches reservation system. I did not

3373
02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:54,640
agree with the conclusions presented

3374
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:56,960
about its impact. What we were being

3375
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:58,800
told did not match what I was seeing and

3376
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,120
hearing every day in my business. The

3377
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:03,760
complaints from tourists were huge. The

3378
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:05,920
later independent gardener study

3379
02:35:05,920 --> 02:35:08,399
estimated approximately 170,000 fewer

3380
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:10,800
arch arches visitors per year under

3381
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:14,640
timed entry. Roughly a 14% reduction.

3382
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:16,640
That's significant. We tried

3383
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:18,640
reservations. We learned from them. Now

3384
02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:20,720
let's try something different. A shuttle

3385
02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:22,880
isn't a radical new idea. Shuttle

3386
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,319
transportation at Arches has been

3387
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:26,319
studied for years and similar systems

3388
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:27,920
operate in other national park

3389
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:30,720
communities. I also I also think people

3390
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:32,080
need to understand the funding. We're

3391
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:33,760
taking about approximately $3 million

3392
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:35,600
for season 1, but Grand County isn't

3393
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:37,840
putting up $3 million.

3394
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:41,359
Approximate approximately 1.5 million is

3395
02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:44,240
federal funding. $1 million

3396
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,240
in is state funding through U DOT and

3397
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:48,240
Grant Countyy's commitment is 500,000.

3398
02:35:48,240 --> 02:35:50,800
So roughly 83% comes from federal and

3399
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:52,880
state sources. For that local

3400
02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:54,479
investment, let's give the pilot a

3401
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:56,080
legitimate opportunity to show us

3402
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,160
whether it works. That's what a pilot

3403
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:00,720
program is for. Try it. Measure the

3404
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:02,399
wrership. listen to tourists and

3405
02:36:02,399 --> 02:36:04,399
businesses, look at the cost, fix what

3406
02:36:04,399 --> 02:36:06,240
doesn't work, then decide based on

3407
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:08,560
actual results. I also want to address

3408
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:10,240
what happened at the August 4th meeting.

3409
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:11,600
I understand the commissioners who

3410
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:13,120
walked out had concerns about the

3411
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:14,560
process and the amount of time they had

3412
02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:16,720
to review information. But when elected

3413
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:18,560
officials walk out during an important

3414
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:20,399
public issue, I believe the people who

3415
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:21,760
elected them deserve a clear

3416
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:23,680
explanation. If you disagree with the

3417
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:25,600
funding, tell us why. If you believe the

3418
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:27,439
process was wrong, tell us what should

3419
02:36:27,439 --> 02:36:29,280
have been done differently. If you

3420
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:31,280
disagree with this the shuttle, tell us

3421
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,120
that, too. But stay engaged in

3422
02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:35,200
conversation. We elected you to have a

3423
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:37,359
difficult discussion, especially when

3424
02:36:37,359 --> 02:36:39,120
you disagree. We don't have to agree

3425
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:40,640
with every decision you make, but we

3426
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:42,319
should understand why you made it. And

3427
02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:44,240
that's why I'm standing here tonight.

3428
02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:46,240
The loudest voices do not necessarily

3429
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:48,160
represent the entire community. There

3430
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:49,760
are residents and business owners who

3431
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:51,280
support this pilot and appreciate what

3432
02:36:51,280 --> 02:36:53,040
Brian Martinez, Bill Winfield, Melody

3433
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:54,640
McCandless, and Mike McCertie are trying

3434
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:57,359
to accomplish. And I'm one of them. I

3435
02:36:57,359 --> 02:36:59,200
support accountability. I support

3436
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:01,120
transparency with our public money. And

3437
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:02,800
I support giving the shuttle pilot a

3438
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:05,040
legitimate, fair opportunity to succeed.

3439
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:07,520
Let's try it. Let's measure it honestly.

3440
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:09,439
And then let's let results speak for

3441
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:11,760
themselves. Thank you.

3442
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:19,303
>> Thank you.

3443
02:37:19,313 --> 02:37:21,429
[laughter]

3444
02:37:21,439 --> 02:37:24,240
» Hi, I'm Diane Foron. I'm a lifelong

3445
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:26,800
resident of Moab. I was actually born in

3446
02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:30,000
Al Memorial Hospital. Several things

3447
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:31,600
that they're pretty brief and Taylor

3448
02:37:31,600 --> 02:37:34,319
covered most of them. First of all, I

3449
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:37,439
want to thank I'm going to point him

3450
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:40,960
out, Bill, for working hard for that

3451
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:44,080
bike trail going down the river road. I

3452
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:45,600
know that it's an inconvenience right

3453
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:48,240
now, but I travel that road a lot and

3454
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:50,640
I've watched bikers get this close to

3455
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:52,399
being hit and killed, and it's not

3456
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:53,760
right. We have a lot of people on

3457
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:55,760
bicycles right now and they need to be

3458
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:57,359
protected and thank you so much for

3459
02:37:57,359 --> 02:38:00,800
that. I also want to say I really

3460
02:38:00,800 --> 02:38:02,720
appreciate the shuttle idea. I really

3461
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,439
do. I'm on a limited income. I'm old

3462
02:38:05,439 --> 02:38:07,840
like but I'm on a limited income but I

3463
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:09,760
appreciate the shuttle idea and I

3464
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,120
realize where the funding is coming

3465
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,359
from. And so we all need to be a little

3466
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:15,280
bit more open with where that funding is

3467
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:16,640
coming from instead of just assuming

3468
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:19,840
it's on the taxator's shoulders.

3469
02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:21,760
You know, our budget for the first time

3470
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:25,120
in four years, four years is a balanced

3471
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:27,920
budget which includes the shuttle cost.

3472
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:29,280
That's the first time that's happened.

3473
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,680
That's because revenues have gone up 35%

3474
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:34,479
in our county since the time to entry

3475
02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:36,560
system stopped.

3476
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:40,720
I'm going to also comment. I watched the

3477
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:42,640
last county council meeting. I

3478
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,040
substitute teach middle school and high

3479
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,439
school. I know, go figure. I must have

3480
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:49,280
problem.

3481
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:52,960
I would never tolerate a child not being

3482
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:55,120
able to have an open discussion, having

3483
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:57,600
a temper tantrum, and walking out

3484
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:00,240
without, let's say, let's talk this out.

3485
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:02,720
These kids are learning this now. And

3486
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,880
they're learning by your examples. And

3487
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:06,560
if your example is that you're going to

3488
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:08,080
show them that we're not going to have

3489
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,560
this talk, we're just going to walk out.

3490
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:12,399
That is not an example we want to leave

3491
02:39:12,399 --> 02:39:14,880
for our kids. We just don't want to.

3492
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:16,720
That's it. Thanks a lot.

3493
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:19,200
>> Thank you.

3494
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:26,230
All right. Um, come on up.

3495
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:28,479
» Hi, my name is Michael Wolf. I live in

3496
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:32,479
Moab and um, I've been having a hard

3497
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:35,120
time waking up lately because of all the

3498
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:37,439
horrible stuff going on in the world.

3499
02:39:37,439 --> 02:39:40,560
And my wife tells me to be positive. So,

3500
02:39:40,560 --> 02:39:43,600
in the interest of being positive, I I

3501
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:47,600
have some suggestions. a suggestion. I

3502
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:50,319
not a fan of the propo the shuttle pilot

3503
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:52,800
as it's being implemented right now. I

3504
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:56,479
think you all know that. But so since

3505
02:39:56,479 --> 02:39:58,560
the commissioners now have entered the

3506
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:02,080
world of managing recreation on federal

3507
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:04,880
lands like the park service forest

3508
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:08,319
service, here's a suggestion. The budget

3509
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:10,000
for the park service has been

3510
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:13,520
dramatically cut. They've lost 25% of

3511
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,120
their employees. They don't even have

3512
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:16,880
anyone that can answer the phone when

3513
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:20,080
you call the Southeast Route. Right. So,

3514
02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:22,399
I I I don't know if the county's already

3515
02:40:22,399 --> 02:40:25,439
done this, but I would suggest that the

3516
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:28,479
county write a letter to our Utah

3517
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:30,880
representatives, Mr. Lee, Mr. Curtis and

3518
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:33,280
Kennedy and tell them to bring that

3519
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:36,319
funding back for these agencies because

3520
02:40:36,319 --> 02:40:38,160
now that you are partners and you're

3521
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:40,000
working on this management, this

3522
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,399
proposed shuttle, I think you can see

3523
02:40:42,399 --> 02:40:45,280
how funding is really important. So

3524
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:48,240
that's my one suggestion in being

3525
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:51,200
positive. I'm also I support fully

3526
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:54,240
funding Kylie Hoff Center as a victim

3527
02:40:54,240 --> 02:40:57,040
advocate. I think that's a no-brainer.

3528
02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:58,640
There's a great need for it. So that's

3529
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:00,240
all I had to say.

3530
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:02,000
Thank you.

3531
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:10,150
Okay. Yeah. Erin.

3532
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:13,600
» Hello everybody. Erin Lindberg. Um, you

3533
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:16,000
know, I I was watching with with the

3534
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:17,520
planning commission. You know, we passed

3535
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:21,760
several uh uh uh recommendations for up

3536
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:24,080
zones and then you guys uh voted them

3537
02:41:24,080 --> 02:41:26,000
down. So, [clears throat] I met with

3538
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,479
several residents in that area, the Blue

3539
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:31,600
Vista area in the Zimmerland Lane, and I

3540
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:33,040
walked around, put some boots on the

3541
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:34,560
ground, and really [clears throat] just

3542
02:41:34,560 --> 02:41:37,359
kind of got the vibe from out there. And

3543
02:41:37,359 --> 02:41:39,600
then I saw that you guys did fund a

3544
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:41,359
$20,000

3545
02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:45,040
uh study for out there. And one of the

3546
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:47,120
things I think, you know, Andrew brings

3547
02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:49,920
this up at sever several of our

3548
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:52,399
commission meetings is the question is

3549
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:56,319
the county uh is it a rural county or is

3550
02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:59,200
it an urban county? And what I really

3551
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,120
see the story going on out there is is

3552
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,040
like we now have in these kind of

3553
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:06,160
further ends of uh Spanish Valley, they

3554
02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:08,000
were rural zones, but now they're

3555
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:10,080
neighborhoods and they're getting these

3556
02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:11,760
and they're being used as such. like

3557
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:14,000
I've I I do a lot of work out there and

3558
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:16,399
I see, you know, there's a lot of

3559
02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:19,840
residents uh out there and a lot of our

3560
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:21,280
professional classes and stuff are

3561
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:23,280
living out there and they have families

3562
02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:25,359
and stuff and these areas are being used

3563
02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:27,920
as neighborhoods like if you're

3564
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:30,560
basically what I'm getting at is like I

3565
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:32,160
don't know where you guys are at with

3566
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:34,319
that study, but I'm like oh there kids

3567
02:42:34,319 --> 02:42:36,560
on bikes does trail mix need to like

3568
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:39,439
have a little pocket park um and not

3569
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:41,439
just like rural lots.

3570
02:42:41,439 --> 02:42:44,160
that are uh you know kind of big

3571
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:46,000
distances. It's like oh they're they're

3572
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:47,520
kind of more dense than our neighborhood

3573
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:49,520
in Mountain View and we have little tiny

3574
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:51,840
parks and stuff. So that character is

3575
02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:54,080
changing and I hope that study really

3576
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:56,560
helps with our development of that of

3577
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:59,680
that area because um you know uh

3578
02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:01,920
residents were saying oh you know kids

3579
02:43:01,920 --> 02:43:03,280
are playing on bikes and the average

3580
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:06,080
speed of of uh traffic going through

3581
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:08,720
here it's posted at 15 and they're going

3582
02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:11,680
know over 30 40 miles per hour. So this

3583
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:14,240
is kind of I think a growing pain of our

3584
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:17,359
county uh on these questions and you

3585
02:43:17,359 --> 02:43:19,680
know whenever you float ideas like well

3586
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:21,920
maybe you should annex into the city you

3587
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:23,680
know that's just a no-go because of the

3588
02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:26,640
city tax ideas and stuff. So it's like

3589
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,280
people are kind of demanding uh or

3590
02:43:29,280 --> 02:43:31,280
asking for kind of city level services

3591
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:33,120
in these counties and so you know

3592
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:36,000
where's Grand County direction going. So

3593
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:37,908
thank you.

3594
02:43:37,908 --> 02:43:40,309
[clears throat]

3595
02:43:40,319 --> 02:43:43,120
Thank you, Rory. And then we'll go to

3596
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:51,750
you.

3597
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:53,200
» Had to write some stuff down because

3598
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:54,560
I've got a lot to talk about, but I'm

3599
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:56,160
going to do it really as quick as I can.

3600
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:58,240
But good evening. Uh, my name is Rory

3601
02:43:58,240 --> 02:43:59,760
Paxman,

3602
02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:03,120
a resident of Grant County. Um, try to

3603
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:06,080
keep it brief here. Um, first off, thank

3604
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:11,920
you Mal, Bill, Mike, Mary, Ryan, Jock,

3605
02:44:11,920 --> 02:44:14,800
and Trish. I appreciate all your hard

3606
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:19,040
work. I know how difficult it is. Um,

3607
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:20,560
I'm speaking on item [clears throat]

3608
02:44:20,560 --> 02:44:22,399
number 13,

3609
02:44:22,399 --> 02:44:25,439
the victim advocate position. This is uh

3610
02:44:25,439 --> 02:44:27,688
something I strongly support.

3611
02:44:27,688 --> 02:44:30,080
[clears throat] This victim ad advocate

3612
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:33,439
position serves as a and provides

3613
02:44:33,439 --> 02:44:35,920
support for most vulnerable members of

3614
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:38,640
our community.

3615
02:44:38,640 --> 02:44:41,600
Sorry. It's just really touches me

3616
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:44,000
because I was on the board when we first

3617
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:45,920
put this position in and I just hate to

3618
02:44:45,920 --> 02:44:47,520
see it go away because I just know how

3619
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:50,560
good it is for our community. So, please

3620
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:53,439
find the money to support this.

3621
02:44:53,439 --> 02:44:56,319
Uh second is um I'm glad to see that

3622
02:44:56,319 --> 02:44:59,120
you're bringing back the um

3623
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:02,160
veros reszone. I'm glad to see it back

3624
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:05,040
on the consideration. Um there are

3625
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:08,299
concerns from uh locals that should be

3626
02:45:08,299 --> 02:45:09,920
[clears throat] taken that should be

3627
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:13,920
taken in account. I also believe the

3628
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,479
cost like traffic study should be

3629
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:19,120
responsible of respons this

3630
02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:20,800
responsibility of that should be from

3631
02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:24,080
the the construction or the person put

3632
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:27,990
it in the subdivision.

3633
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:30,160
It shouldn't be put on the burden of the

3634
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:33,040
taxpayers. So, there's $20,000 right

3635
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:34,800
there that you can pull the victim's

3636
02:45:34,800 --> 02:45:37,040
advocate.

3637
02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:40,560
Um, also on the early agenda or the

3638
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:42,560
other meeting that you guys had earlier

3639
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,240
today, I really wanted to talk, but I

3640
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:45,520
didn't. You guys didn't have enough

3641
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:48,080
time. But I want you guys to know I

3642
02:45:48,080 --> 02:45:52,160
support the sheriff's. I support um in

3643
02:45:52,160 --> 02:45:53,760
jail.

3644
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:55,439
Um

3645
02:45:55,439 --> 02:45:57,200
there is a few things that I have of

3646
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:00,960
concern. Um one was nobody mentioned

3647
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:02,800
what are we doing with this building?

3648
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:04,640
Are we going to have money to revamp

3649
02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:06,319
this one if we keep this one? Because

3650
02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:08,560
there was a couple different options

3651
02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:10,880
there on the plate. So I just want you

3652
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:13,600
guys to look at that for the future. Um

3653
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:15,040
make sure you guys keep that in your

3654
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:17,920
minds. Um I just appreciate you. Thanks

3655
02:46:17,920 --> 02:46:23,510
for the time. All

3656
02:46:23,520 --> 02:46:27,750
right, come on up.

3657
02:46:27,760 --> 02:46:29,520
» My name is Gary McDaniel, Grant County

3658
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:32,319
resident. I'm really bad at speaking in

3659
02:46:32,319 --> 02:46:33,840
public.

3660
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:35,680
Um,

3661
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:36,800
something I wasn't planning on talking

3662
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:39,040
about, but overhearing the discussion

3663
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:40,640
about overtime with the employee that's

3664
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:43,040
dealing with the uh the new shuttle

3665
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:45,120
program and working on that. Sounds like

3666
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:47,120
there's already budget mission creep for

3667
02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:49,760
the shuttle. if the county is looking at

3668
02:46:49,760 --> 02:46:51,920
hiring an additional person. It was

3669
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:53,840
deflected by a few of the council people

3670
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,800
that it was state funded or largely

3671
02:46:56,800 --> 02:46:59,359
state funded. We still live in Utah. We

3672
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:02,080
still pay taxes in Utah. That is still

3673
02:47:02,080 --> 02:47:03,840
coming out of our pockets. Not

3674
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:06,319
exclusively ran county but the state

3675
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:08,319
broadly and we all contribute to that.

3676
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:10,399
So I feel like that's fairly

3677
02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:12,800
disingenuous deflection.

3678
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,279
Um,

3679
02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:16,960
old man glasses real quick.

3680
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:18,160
>> On your head. On your hat.

3681
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:20,720
>> There they all do it. I'm new to reading

3682
02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:24,160
glasses. It's great. Um,

3683
02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:28,000
the camp for tourism stuff. If people

3684
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:30,160
want to come and come here, stay. Great.

3685
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:31,680
Hopefully they're doing some hotels and

3686
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:33,279
camping and not nightly rentals and

3687
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:35,840
displacing locals. I've seen so many of

3688
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,600
my friends and so many people not be

3689
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:40,080
able to buy houses locally because of

3690
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:41,760
real estate prices exploding given the

3691
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:43,359
market. It's probably stagnant right

3692
02:47:43,359 --> 02:47:46,240
now, but you know, I I make good money.

3693
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:47,680
My partner makes good money. We can't

3694
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:50,160
afford to buy a house.

3695
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:51,760
And it's just it's frankly ridiculous

3696
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:53,359
that people from out of state, out of

3697
02:47:53,359 --> 02:47:56,319
town can make a mint on properties they

3698
02:47:56,319 --> 02:47:58,800
buy that cater to tourists exclusively.

3699
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:01,359
It's just not fair.

3700
02:48:01,359 --> 02:48:03,200
I've got I've got a lift here, so

3701
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:07,920
apologize. Um I'm also the guy that

3702
02:48:07,920 --> 02:48:09,520
speaks to council people when I see him

3703
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:11,439
out and about. I saw Josh, you know,

3704
02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:12,960
jock. sorry. At the trailer this

3705
02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:14,640
morning, talked to him for for a few

3706
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:17,120
seconds. Um I'm at the hardware store

3707
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:19,359
far too many times a day and I was

3708
02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:21,120
speaking to a council person recently

3709
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:23,520
about the dead horse that is artist

3710
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:27,600
timed entry and uh and that council

3711
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:29,200
person

3712
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:33,680
told me that timed entry

3713
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:35,600
was not counseledled due to county

3714
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:38,880
pressure. And that is frankly incredibly

3715
02:48:38,880 --> 02:48:40,240
disingenuous. That council person told

3716
02:48:40,240 --> 02:48:43,920
me that was a fully DOI decision, but it

3717
02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:46,319
seems to be that we had plenty of

3718
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:48,399
council people that went to the DOI,

3719
02:48:48,399 --> 02:48:50,720
went to National Park Service meetings,

3720
02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:53,359
Brian Martinez, you know, especially,

3721
02:48:53,359 --> 02:48:56,080
and and pressured the DOI for that. So,

3722
02:48:56,080 --> 02:48:57,920
saying that the county had nothing to do

3723
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:01,760
with it is just frankly ridiculous.

3724
02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:04,479
um spoke to another another council

3725
02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:06,000
person, actually it's the same council

3726
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:08,080
person about uh the vote getting pushed

3727
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:10,000
through last week and that council

3728
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:13,040
person was not able to own their

3729
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:15,760
decision. They deflected it and put the

3730
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:18,000
decision on our county attorney, Steven

3731
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:22,720
Stoxs. Um, where I'm going with this is

3732
02:49:22,720 --> 02:49:25,760
that if you make a a decision

3733
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:28,560
as a council person and you make you

3734
02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:30,560
vote on those decisions, you need to own

3735
02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:34,000
them. You can't back down or deflect it

3736
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:36,399
when you're in the public eye. You know,

3737
02:49:36,399 --> 02:49:40,800
we all elected you and frankly, you

3738
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:42,960
answered us and we have the power to get

3739
02:49:42,960 --> 02:49:44,720
you out of office. And I'm I'm looking

3740
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:46,240
so forward to getting so many of you out

3741
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:48,479
of office currently.

3742
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:51,750
Um,

3743
02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:53,920
may I pay a council person a a

3744
02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:56,160
compliment?

3745
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:56,720
>> Sure.

3746
02:49:56,720 --> 02:50:00,160
>> Okay. Um, I'd like to congratulate Brian

3747
02:50:00,160 --> 02:50:03,279
Martinez on his new appointment to

3748
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:05,600
the Colorado River Authority Board. Um,

3749
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:08,560
because after his uh firing from NAFTA

3750
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:11,200
under nefarious allegedly nefarious

3751
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:12,560
circumstances, you can

3752
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:14,000
>> we weren't sure he was going to land on

3753
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:15,359
street, but he has

3754
02:50:15,359 --> 02:50:17,840
>> and then

3755
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:21,670
you're

3756
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:29,990
okay. Anybody else? Allison, come on up.

3757
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:34,000
Alison Matthysse, resident of Moab. Um,

3758
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:36,880
I came here prepared to talk about the

3759
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:39,439
quorum. I had printed out section G

3760
02:50:39,439 --> 02:50:41,920
number, what is it, five, ready to read.

3761
02:50:41,920 --> 02:50:44,560
I wasn't here when Miss McCandless uh

3762
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:46,880
said that she read things earlier. Um,

3763
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:49,279
and I'm glad that she did. However, I

3764
02:50:49,279 --> 02:50:51,760
watched very carefully the last meeting

3765
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:54,479
and the people with the quorum um

3766
02:50:54,479 --> 02:50:56,560
problems was not the entire commission

3767
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:58,240
and a previous woman mentioned that

3768
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:00,080
she'd been a teacher while I was in

3769
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:01,760
classrooms for many years both at the

3770
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:04,000
front and as a student and also I'm a

3771
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:06,560
member of society and that means if

3772
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:08,880
you're an adult that if there's a group

3773
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:10,960
you don't say oh the group is having a

3774
02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:12,720
problem when it might be one or two

3775
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,279
people and last meaning it was one or

3776
02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:18,000
two people also you just allowed

3777
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:20,880
gentleman to make a compliment but not

3778
02:51:20,880 --> 02:51:22,720
describe something negative. That

3779
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:24,560
doesn't seem right. Our first amendment

3780
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:29,439
rights are to are for free speech and to address the government for

3781
02:51:29,439 --> 02:51:31,680
redress of grievances. So does that mean

3782
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:34,560
we can only compliment commissioners?

3783
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,720
How wrong is that? How frankly

3784
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:39,439
unamerican is that? And yeah, you can

3785
02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:41,760
hear my voice because I'm very upset

3786
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:44,240
about this. So I have quotes from last

3787
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:46,479
commission meeting and this is Mr.

3788
02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:48,800
Winfield talking at approximately on the

3789
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,120
time stamp of 328

3790
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:53,920
32803. Mr. Winfield said, "You know, I'm

3791
02:51:53,920 --> 02:51:55,279
always amazed at the level of

3792
02:51:55,279 --> 02:51:57,600
professional professionalism by other

3793
02:51:57,600 --> 02:51:59,760
commissions on on this board and by the

3794
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:02,240
hypocrisy that goes on in this room. How

3795
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:03,840
does that meet your standard of

3796
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:05,359
decorum?"

3797
02:52:05,359 --> 02:52:09,520
And it'll talk about um hypocrisy. Mr.

3798
02:52:09,520 --> 02:52:12,720
um uh Winfield likes to say that that

3799
02:52:12,720 --> 02:52:15,359
other commissioners have problems in

3800
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:17,120
their behavior. You know, this level of

3801
02:52:17,120 --> 02:52:21,600
com uh of professionalism on 519, uh

3802
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:23,760
Commissioner Hading said, I'm going to

3803
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:26,319
ask Brian a question on and on. And then

3804
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:29,120
she says, um

3805
02:52:29,120 --> 02:52:35,510
uh let me find it.

3806
02:52:35,520 --> 02:52:38,560
the narrative like of like this where

3807
02:52:38,560 --> 02:52:40,800
this was hatched, you know, been working

3808
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:44,720
on da da da. Mr. Winfield

3809
02:52:44,720 --> 02:52:47,600
basically attacked Commissioner Hadine

3810
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:50,479
based on using the word hatch. Hatch is

3811
02:52:50,479 --> 02:52:52,560
a pretty common word. It doesn't have

3812
02:52:52,560 --> 02:52:55,840
negative connotations the way Mr.

3813
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:57,920
Winfield and if that's the best that Mr.

3814
02:52:57,920 --> 02:53:01,120
Winfield has about commissioner Sadine's

3815
02:53:01,120 --> 02:53:02,640
behavior.

3816
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:04,960
It's the mountain out of Mobile. Also,

3817
02:53:04,960 --> 02:53:09,120
he states that um at 32853, we have

3818
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:10,720
citizens coming here that have been

3819
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:12,800
quote misinformed by commissioners about

3820
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:16,080
this commission. Um what's the evidence

3821
02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:19,600
for this misinformation? He is making an

3822
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:22,000
accusation and not supporting it with

3823
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:27,439
anything else. Also, last meeting, uh, Ute, Miss McCandless, uh, made a

3824
02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:29,600
pretty serious accusation about fraud,

3825
02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:31,120
and you just said, "Oh, I'm just

3826
02:53:31,120 --> 02:53:32,560
throwing this out there." Which is

3827
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,560
exactly it's a rhetorical trick that

3828
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:36,640
someone wants to do to make plausible

3829
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:40,080
deniability. So, you

3830
02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:43,840
charge your fellow commissioners and

3831
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:47,600
other county level officials with fraud.

3832
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:51,830
How does that fit with the quorum?

3833
02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:53,920
Oh, thank you for your um civil,

3834
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:55,279
constructive, and focused comments,

3835
02:53:55,279 --> 02:53:57,600
Alison.

3836
02:53:57,600 --> 02:53:59,359
Anyone else in the audience like to

3837
02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:00,960
speak?

3838
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:08,550
I want to pee.

3839
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:10,800
My name is Pete Gross. That's a tough

3840
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,600
act to follow.

3841
02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:15,439
So, I have a lot of questions which I

3842
02:54:15,439 --> 02:54:17,520
know you can't answer, so consider them

3843
02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:19,120
rhetorical.

3844
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:21,920
Um, first of all, citizens to be heard.

3845
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:25,359
Why did we limit it to just 5:00 an

3846
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:26,880
approximate time when before is four

3847
02:54:26,880 --> 02:54:28,160
o'clock and six o'clock? You'd think

3848
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:29,680
you'd want to make it easier for

3849
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:32,240
citizens to provide you feedback rather

3850
02:54:32,240 --> 02:54:34,399
than more challenging and and less uh

3851
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:36,479
definitive.

3852
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:41,680
Regarding the Burzone, um, again, did we get it wrong the last time? Did

3853
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:43,359
the original developers of the Grand

3854
02:54:43,359 --> 02:54:46,880
County zoning map get it wrong?

3855
02:54:46,880 --> 02:54:48,399
More importantly perhaps, do we even

3856
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:50,800
have enough water for all the all the

3857
02:54:50,800 --> 02:54:53,120
development in the pipeline? As you

3858
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:54,800
know, even the county planning

3859
02:54:54,800 --> 02:54:56,800
commission has presented this

3860
02:54:56,800 --> 02:54:58,479
information that we might need to we

3861
02:54:58,479 --> 02:55:00,399
have some water conservation acts and

3862
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:01,840
they're also thinking about, oh, we can

3863
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:03,200
just stick a straw into the Colorado

3864
02:55:03,200 --> 02:55:06,800
River, which is not exactly a good idea

3865
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:08,080
since we don't even have the water

3866
02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:09,600
right. We if we have the water rights,

3867
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:11,200
they're very junior to just about every

3868
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:12,880
other user.

3869
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:14,560
Um,

3870
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:16,240
oh, and we're talking about the board

3871
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:19,279
resone, are the property owners in

3872
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:21,600
adjacent property?

3873
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:24,240
Do they have an expectation of having

3874
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:26,319
the zoning that they bought into or now

3875
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:29,120
they might be faced with a new zoning?

3876
02:55:29,120 --> 02:55:31,359
Okay. Probably the thing I want to echo,

3877
02:55:31,359 --> 02:55:32,640
actually, I'd like to echo what Rory

3878
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:36,880
Paxman mentioned. Kylie Hoffsteader is

3879
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:38,319
seeking full funding for a victim

3880
02:55:38,319 --> 02:55:39,840
advocate.

3881
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:42,080
She comes highly recommended by people

3882
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:44,399
that I know and respect.

3883
02:55:44,399 --> 02:55:46,399
I view it as an investment, not an

3884
02:55:46,399 --> 02:55:49,040
expense. It's if you were if you were a

3885
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:50,319
private investor, you'd look at this.

3886
02:55:50,319 --> 02:55:51,680
Wow, this is a really high rate of

3887
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:56,950
return.

3888
02:55:56,960 --> 02:55:59,439
Okay, one last comment.

3889
02:55:59,439 --> 02:56:01,680
I get a little choked up. My oldest

3890
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:04,399
sister left her second husband after she

3891
02:56:04,399 --> 02:56:06,479
got her nose broke. She would have

3892
02:56:06,479 --> 02:56:09,200
benefited greatly from the map. Thank

3893
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:11,760
you.

3894
02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:22,870
>> Thank you. Anyone else?

3895
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:24,720
» Good afternoon. My name is Carrie Davney

3896
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:27,040
and I'm a resident of Grand County and I

3897
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:28,319
would like to highlight the importance

3898
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:30,399
of the victim advocate position and the

3899
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:31,760
critical role it serves in our

3900
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:33,840
community. A victim advocate helps

3901
02:56:33,840 --> 02:56:35,520
ensure that impacted individuals

3902
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:37,600
understand the criminal justice process

3903
02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:39,359
while providing guidance and support as

3904
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:41,279
they navigate an incredibly difficult

3905
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:43,600
and delicate time in their lives. Having

3906
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:45,200
this as a full-time position within the

3907
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:47,279
county attorney's office helps ensure

3908
02:56:47,279 --> 02:56:48,880
these individuals receive timely

3909
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:51,200
information, updates, and support

3910
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:53,200
throughout their case. With an increased

3911
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:54,720
budget and adequate resources, the

3912
02:56:54,720 --> 02:56:56,880
victim advocate would also have greater

3913
02:56:56,880 --> 02:56:58,960
ability to respond on scene when

3914
02:56:58,960 --> 02:57:01,200
approving

3915
02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:03,359
followup and offer continued support as

3916
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:05,680
individuals move through the process.

3917
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:07,600
Investing in this position is ultimately

3918
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:09,680
an investment in ensuring that impacted

3919
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:12,080
people in our community feel informed,

3920
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:13,760
supported, and connected to the

3921
02:57:13,760 --> 02:57:15,520
resources they need during some of the

3922
02:57:15,520 --> 02:57:17,600
most challenging moments of their lives.

3923
02:57:17,600 --> 02:57:18,479
So, thank you.

3924
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:30,389
>> Thank you.

3925
02:57:30,399 --> 02:57:32,319
I'm Susie Johnston and I live here in

3926
02:57:32,319 --> 02:57:35,279
the county through here. I don't know if

3927
02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:36,880
that makes any difference, but just so

3928
02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:39,279
you know, um, you guys get attacked a

3929
02:57:39,279 --> 02:57:42,319
lot and I don't think you deserve it. I

3930
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:43,920
just wanted to thank you for some of the

3931
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:45,279
things that you've done for business

3932
02:57:45,279 --> 02:57:47,920
this year and maybe get it on the record

3933
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:52,640
somehow. Um, got to get my glasses.

3934
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:55,680
I'm really very excited that you balance

3935
02:57:55,680 --> 02:57:57,680
the budget without increasing property

3936
02:57:57,680 --> 02:58:01,120
tax taxes. Really excited because when

3937
02:58:01,120 --> 02:58:03,040
you increase property taxes, businesses

3938
02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:04,720
bear the burden the most and it makes it

3939
02:58:04,720 --> 02:58:06,800
so they can't hire people, they can't

3940
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:08,560
give people raises, and they can't

3941
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:12,319
expand away. And I absolutely love the

3942
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:15,600
Moab area affordable housing plan. It's

3943
02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:18,479
awesome, especially after all the years

3944
02:58:18,479 --> 02:58:21,040
that people ran on ran for office on

3945
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:22,880
providing housing and nothing ever

3946
02:58:22,880 --> 02:58:26,240
happened for years.

3947
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:28,319
And the problem is, of course, that

3948
02:58:28,319 --> 02:58:30,800
businesses can't do their business if

3949
02:58:30,800 --> 02:58:34,160
they can't employees

3950
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:36,479
because employees can't find housing. So

3951
02:58:36,479 --> 02:58:39,680
now the Moab area affordable housing

3952
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:42,240
plan helps to change zoning and impact

3953
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:44,720
excessive fees so that lowincome housing

3954
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:46,800
is finally getting built in Moab and you

3955
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:49,359
can see it. Oh, thank you guys for that.

3956
02:58:49,359 --> 02:58:51,359
That's awesome.

3957
02:58:51,359 --> 02:58:54,080
The pilot show for Arches is an effort

3958
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:55,920
to make the visitor experience more

3959
02:58:55,920 --> 02:58:57,600
enjoyable which can keep people coming

3960
02:58:57,600 --> 02:59:00,479
to Moab. Since tourism is basically our

3961
02:59:00,479 --> 02:59:02,160
only industry, anything you can do to

3962
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:06,080
help tourism helps our town. $50 per

3963
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:07,760
residence, which is what the county is

3964
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:10,160
paying for the shuttle, doesn't seem so

3965
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:12,240
much if you consider it an investment in

3966
02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:15,200
our economy, which of course it is. This

3967
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:16,960
isn't the first shuttle to be tried in a

3968
02:59:16,960 --> 02:59:18,800
park, and it sounds like Arches is in

3969
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:22,160
favor of a shuttle system. Sometimes it

3970
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:24,000
takes trial and error to find out what

3971
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:25,920
works, and that's why we have pilot

3972
02:59:25,920 --> 02:59:28,560
programs. It works in other places, so

3973
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:30,000
it's worth trying here. And I thank you

3974
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:32,479
guys for all we do for our community.

3975
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:34,160
Anyone

3976
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:36,240
else?

3977
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:38,000
>> You know, we can't do two.

3978
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:40,479
>> You can't do two. Sorry.

3979
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:42,399
You can email us though. And you can

3980
02:59:42,399 --> 02:59:43,520
always email us at

3981
02:59:43,520 --> 02:59:45,840
commissiongrount.utahutah.gov.

3982
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:46,319
>> Okay.

3983
02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:48,319
>> And you can also Yeah. Anytime you have

3984
02:59:48,319 --> 02:59:49,520
questions that you actually want a

3985
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:51,279
response from, you can email us there

3986
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:53,600
because we can't speak back to you. Um,

3987
02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:56,000
is there anyone else that wants to speak

3988
02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:57,200
in the audience? We don't have anybody

3989
02:59:57,200 --> 02:59:59,200
online, so we're going to go ahead and

3990
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:01,760
move along. All right. We're going to

3991
03:00:01,760 --> 03:00:04,880
move along to number nine, which is an

3992
03:00:04,880 --> 03:00:08,399
ordinance amending the 2026 consolidated

3993
03:00:08,399 --> 03:00:12,309
band county fee schedule.

3994
03:00:12,319 --> 03:00:14,800
» Oh goodness. Am I doing this one?

3995
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:15,760
>> How's your name on it?

3996
03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:21,110
>> Goodness.

3997
03:00:21,120 --> 03:00:22,960
Sorry, I don't have it printed out, but

3998
03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:26,160
there were changes to the clerk's office

3999
03:00:26,160 --> 03:00:27,760
budget

4000
03:00:27,760 --> 03:00:29,680
where we've

4001
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:32,560
added in ground requests

4002
03:00:32,560 --> 03:00:34,160
in compliance with state statute as

4003
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:37,040
amended. Um, the recorders, what did I

4004
03:00:37,040 --> 03:00:37,920
say?

4005
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:39,760
>> Don't take

4006
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:40,080
>> Yeah.

4007
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:42,479
>> And a couple of OA fees got changed and

4008
03:00:42,479 --> 03:00:44,000
the reporter's office changed the fees.

4009
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:46,000
It's very minimal and they're in red in

4010
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:47,600
the packet.

4011
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:49,840
Any questions?

4012
03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:50,880
>> Any questions, Mike?

4013
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:52,399
>> Statement. I was the renter of the dump

4014
03:00:52,399 --> 03:00:54,319
tank. Thank you. I' I'd love to pay for

4015
03:00:54,319 --> 03:00:57,600
that. Uh two,

4016
03:00:57,600 --> 03:01:00,160
I I'd like to make the motion. I move to

4017
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:02,080
approve the ordinance repealing and

4018
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:04,640
replacing ordinance 728 with updated

4019
03:01:04,640 --> 03:01:07,840
Grand County consolidated fee schedule.

4020
03:01:07,840 --> 03:01:08,960
>> I'll second.

4021
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:11,120
>> So Mike and then Bill had a second. Any

4022
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:14,399
more discussion or questions?

4023
03:01:14,399 --> 03:01:16,640
No. Seeing none, call for a vote. Those

4024
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:18,640
in favor?

4025
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:19,680
>> I.

4026
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:23,600
>> Okay, that passes. Six with one absent.

4027
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:26,560
Commissioner.

4028
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:28,479
>> All right, we're moving on to number 10,

4029
03:01:28,479 --> 03:01:30,640
consideration of an emergency purchase.

4030
03:01:30,640 --> 03:01:33,439
>> Chair, I'm sorry. There were a couple of

4031
03:01:33,439 --> 03:01:36,080
other changes in the fee schedule. Uh,

4032
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:39,120
one was the admin fees,

4033
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:42,880
also the special service districts.

4034
03:01:42,880 --> 03:01:44,880
>> They're all read in the packet. Yes, I

4035
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:46,399
think everyone's had that information.

4036
03:01:46,399 --> 03:01:49,040
So, it's still pretty

4037
03:01:49,040 --> 03:01:50,080
>> Thank you.

4038
03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:52,399
>> It's not in the packet. Those those

4039
03:01:52,399 --> 03:01:57,670
>> are not in the packet.

4040
03:01:57,680 --> 03:02:01,990
» Right.

4041
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:03,840
We'll add them in the packet or will we

4042
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:07,120
have to do those later? Attorney did

4043
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:08,160
those later. Yeah, we can do it.

4044
03:02:08,160 --> 03:02:09,920
>> Yeah, I'm just going to do those later.

4045
03:02:09,920 --> 03:02:11,040
So, they were not included in the

4046
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:12,479
packet. We're not going to include them.

4047
03:02:12,479 --> 03:02:14,240
We can vote on them at a different time

4048
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:15,760
and they'll have to be at public hearing

4049
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:18,000
as well on those. So, okay. Because

4050
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:19,520
yeah, they weren't included at public

4051
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:22,000
hearing either.

4052
03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:24,399
All right, we're moving on to number 10,

4053
03:02:24,399 --> 03:02:26,240
which is the consideration of emergency

4054
03:02:26,240 --> 03:02:30,560
purchase of civic plus media meetings.

4055
03:02:30,560 --> 03:02:32,479
And this is well, it's the

4056
03:02:32,479 --> 03:02:33,920
administrative office. It could be you

4057
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:47,590
or Mark.

4058
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:48,880
So due to some unfortunate

4059
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:51,680
circumstances, we had our YouTube

4060
03:02:51,680 --> 03:02:54,000
account briefly suspended. Um we've

4061
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:56,479
taken some pretty big steps to ensure

4062
03:02:56,479 --> 03:02:57,680
that that doesn't happen again.

4063
03:02:57,680 --> 03:02:58,880
Obviously our YouTube channel is back.

4064
03:02:58,880 --> 03:03:02,319
We're on YouTube right now. Um there is

4065
03:03:02,319 --> 03:03:04,560
an option. So, if you guys remember, we

4066
03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:09,110
had Civic

4067
03:03:09,120 --> 03:03:10,640
Plus Civic. I can't remember what the

4068
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:12,000
original agenda packet was when the

4069
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:14,479
agenda was just all in a PDF form. In

4070
03:03:14,479 --> 03:03:16,720
22, we adopted the Civic Clerk software

4071
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:19,520
add-on that enables us to put the agenda

4072
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:21,600
online with all the links that you click

4073
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:23,840
and see all the packet information that

4074
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:25,760
is not generated manually. Thank you

4075
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:27,439
very much for approving that expense and

4076
03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:29,120
the ongoing expenditure of that. It

4077
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:30,640
dramatically decreases the packet

4078
03:03:30,640 --> 03:03:32,720
generation workload.

4079
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:35,840
Um, we did at that time look into a

4080
03:03:35,840 --> 03:03:39,359
module called civic media that allows us

4081
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:41,600
to stream the med the commission

4082
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:43,520
meetings in addition not only to YouTube

4083
03:03:43,520 --> 03:03:47,200
but to our brand county website as well

4084
03:03:47,200 --> 03:03:48,960
because civic media is an add-on to

4085
03:03:48,960 --> 03:03:50,800
Civic Plus which is who provides our

4086
03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:52,560
website.

4087
03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:56,479
This solves a couple of problems, but

4088
03:03:56,479 --> 03:03:58,560
the big one that it solves is that if we

4089
03:03:58,560 --> 03:03:59,920
ever have any problem or troubles

4090
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:02,080
backing up our videos, we are under

4091
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:05,680
contract with Civic Media to host and

4092
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:08,319
store those videos. And we confirmed in

4093
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:10,560
the walkthrough demonstration last week

4094
03:04:10,560 --> 03:04:13,600
that the there is no limit on the amount

4095
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:15,359
of videos that we can store or the

4096
03:04:15,359 --> 03:04:17,520
amount of minutes that can be streamed.

4097
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:19,279
Um,

4098
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:21,840
and we are not at the whim of a

4099
03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:23,200
corporation with whom we have no

4100
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:25,760
contract, which is what YouTube is. So,

4101
03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:29,359
uh, this is $5,500 per year plus $850

4102
03:04:29,359 --> 03:04:31,200
setup fee. It would be about four weeks

4103
03:04:31,200 --> 03:04:33,439
to implement. Once implemented, you'd be

4104
03:04:33,439 --> 03:04:34,880
able to click on the agenda and actually

4105
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:36,880
stream the meeting from the actual

4106
03:04:36,880 --> 03:04:39,040
agenda page itself. It would appear in a

4107
03:04:39,040 --> 03:04:40,080
small corner. There's a few different

4108
03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:42,080
ways we can implement that. And I do I

4109
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:43,359
do think our intention right now is to

4110
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:45,120
keep the YouTube channel as well, but

4111
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:47,200
this allows us a backup in case the

4112
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:50,000
YouTube chat does go away. And I can

4113
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:52,479
answer most questions on it. I think has

4114
03:04:52,479 --> 03:04:54,000
any

4115
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:56,880
>> twofold here. I'd move to approve the

4116
03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:58,800
emergency purchase of civic plus media

4117
03:04:58,800 --> 03:05:01,840
module to live stream county meetings on

4118
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:05,279
the Grand County website. And if I get a

4119
03:05:05,279 --> 03:05:07,840
second by Bill

4120
03:05:07,840 --> 03:05:10,240
>> uh comment with that too. Uh, I heard

4121
03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:12,880
when YouTube went down or we got taken

4122
03:05:12,880 --> 03:05:15,120
off YouTube uh quite literally to my

4123
03:05:15,120 --> 03:05:17,359
phone from several of our constituents.

4124
03:05:17,359 --> 03:05:20,080
So, this is a no-brainer.

4125
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:21,760
>> And I will say that we've discussed this

4126
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:23,920
in our monthly leadership meetings and

4127
03:05:23,920 --> 03:05:24,960
Dana and I have come up with a few

4128
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:26,800
different protocols. Um, we're going to

4129
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:29,200
try and encourage everyone

4130
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:31,200
to more strictly adhere to our Zoom

4131
03:05:31,200 --> 03:05:32,399
meeting protocols. Obviously, this is

4132
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:34,080
something we take very seriously. Most

4133
03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:36,479
of you aware of the important event. We

4134
03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:38,000
don't want that to happen. Obviously,

4135
03:05:38,000 --> 03:05:41,439
it's so we're trying our best.

4136
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:42,560
>> Yeah,

4137
03:05:42,560 --> 03:05:44,319
>> I agree. In the name of transparency and

4138
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:47,200
keeping everything in in house and just

4139
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:49,040
making all of this uh all these

4140
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:51,040
important meetings available to to our

4141
03:05:51,040 --> 03:05:53,279
constituents. This is a easy one

4142
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,720
>> and and I will say that um it took us a

4143
03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:59,279
solid week to get an actual response and

4144
03:05:59,279 --> 03:06:00,880
thanks to Matt for getting that done. He

4145
03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:02,479
reached out to some of his contacts at

4146
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:04,720
YouTube or at Google and then

4147
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:06,319
subsequently YouTube to actually get

4148
03:06:06,319 --> 03:06:08,720
that resolved. I I was reach a real

4149
03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:12,960
person. So, our civic costs keep going

4150
03:06:12,960 --> 03:06:14,720
up. But I do think this solves a problem

4151
03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:16,960
that we have.

4152
03:06:16,960 --> 03:06:19,200
>> It'll be easier for constituents. I

4153
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:21,359
struggle to find things on YouTube that

4154
03:06:21,359 --> 03:06:23,200
are older. So, I think that be nice.

4155
03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:24,640
>> Yeah, this will link the individual

4156
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:26,720
video to the agenda.

4157
03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:28,640
>> Yeah, it's kind of cool that way.

4158
03:06:28,640 --> 03:06:31,600
>> Thank you. All right. So, we have a

4159
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:33,680
motion and a second. All Any more

4160
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:36,880
discussion? All in favor?

4161
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:37,760
All right.

4162
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,960
>> Okay, that passes 70. Thank you. All

4163
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:43,680
right. Number 11 is the consideration of

4164
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:48,240
25,00 sorry, $2,500 in matching support

4165
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:50,240
for the promised baby and new early

4166
03:06:50,240 --> 03:06:52,160
childhood programs. And Commissioner

4167
03:06:52,160 --> 03:06:54,560
Martinez, do you want to this?

4168
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:55,920
>> Yeah, I'll go ahead and introduce it

4169
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:58,319
real quick. So, our village is piloting

4170
03:06:58,319 --> 03:07:01,279
a Promise Baby and You. Uh, it's a free

4171
03:07:01,279 --> 03:07:03,760
9-week workshop series for parents of

4172
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:07,040
children ages 0 to three. Um, it's been

4173
03:07:07,040 --> 03:07:08,720
developed through Promise Partnership in

4174
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:11,600
Utah and it will be uh starting here in

4175
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:14,720
Grand County this fall. Um, so while the

4176
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:16,319
parents receive the training, their

4177
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:18,800
children are provided meals on-site

4178
03:07:18,800 --> 03:07:20,960
child care and every family that

4179
03:07:20,960 --> 03:07:23,279
completes the course receives a seated

4180
03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:27,680
$500 uh my uh 529 college savings

4181
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:29,760
account for their child. Um, the

4182
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:32,479
requested $2,500 uh funds the art

4183
03:07:32,479 --> 03:07:34,240
supplies and learning supplies for the

4184
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:36,960
children's program to run along each

4185
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:38,960
session. I just wanted to make sure uh

4186
03:07:38,960 --> 03:07:40,720
thanks for letting me present that. I

4187
03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:42,720
just wanted to let the community know

4188
03:07:42,720 --> 03:07:44,240
that this program was going to be coming

4189
03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:46,399
available this fall.

4190
03:07:46,399 --> 03:07:47,760
>> You know, I wanted to comment a little

4191
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:50,720
bit more on this program because um my

4192
03:07:50,720 --> 03:07:52,399
priority number six in the chair's

4193
03:07:52,399 --> 03:07:54,880
priority statement is economic mobility

4194
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:58,080
and promise partnership and uh Utah's

4195
03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:00,399
promise organization, the 211 of Utah.

4196
03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:02,560
They focus specifically on cradle to

4197
03:08:02,560 --> 03:08:04,720
career education. So removing barriers

4198
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:06,960
and improving access to basic needs

4199
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:08,399
through data-driven community

4200
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:10,640
partnerships. They have four other pro

4201
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:12,160
they have other programs as well. So

4202
03:08:12,160 --> 03:08:13,920
this is the first is that that baby

4203
03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:16,080
program. They also have a promise

4204
03:08:16,080 --> 03:08:17,760
student advocates where students are

4205
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:19,760
working with other students on a peer

4206
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:23,359
level CTE pathways and community

4207
03:08:23,359 --> 03:08:25,040
information exchange. So there's other

4208
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:27,040
pieces of this program that we're hoping

4209
03:08:27,040 --> 03:08:29,200
to bring into our community as well. And

4210
03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:30,240
I think this is a really great

4211
03:08:30,240 --> 03:08:31,920
partnership and I really appreciate

4212
03:08:31,920 --> 03:08:34,080
Brian and Bill and Melissa on all their

4213
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:38,469
work on this project.

4214
03:08:38,479 --> 03:08:39,120
All right.

4215
03:08:39,120 --> 03:08:40,960
>> What account are we Yeah.

4216
03:08:40,960 --> 03:08:44,080
>> Oh, account are we paying this out of?

4217
03:08:44,080 --> 03:08:45,439
>> I think it says commission

4218
03:08:45,439 --> 03:08:47,040
discretionary, doesn't it?

4219
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:49,840
>> And it also says general fund

4220
03:08:49,840 --> 03:08:53,600
>> Oh, thank you. Yeah, you're correct.

4221
03:08:53,600 --> 03:08:54,880
>> How much do we have in our

4222
03:08:54,880 --> 03:08:56,960
discretionary?

4223
03:08:56,960 --> 03:08:58,640
>> So, we have a print out in front of us.

4224
03:08:58,640 --> 03:09:03,110
>> The discretionary balance is $8,395.15.

4225
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:06,399
And if you if you wish to take the Civic

4226
03:09:06,399 --> 03:09:09,359
Plus out of that, you have about 2,800

4227
03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:11,359
left,

4228
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:13,520
but you could take this 2500 out of if

4229
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:14,080
you would like,

4230
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:15,520
>> but there's some that's already been

4231
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:18,240
allotted to um information as well,

4232
03:09:18,240 --> 03:09:21,200
right? That that amount doesn't is

4233
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:24,080
what's left in that account, but not

4234
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:25,840
been allocated as well.

4235
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:28,160
>> Did we vote to take the Civic Plus out

4236
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:30,720
of there? No. specific cost will figure

4237
03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:33,439
out what are you getting paid.

4238
03:09:33,439 --> 03:09:34,000
>> Okay.

4239
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:37,200
I recommend a $2,500 grant match

4240
03:09:37,200 --> 03:09:39,680
for the our baby and you program from

4241
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:43,760
the commission discretionary account.

4242
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:45,920
>> Am I right?

4243
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:47,680
Any more discussion?

4244
03:09:47,680 --> 03:09:49,600
>> I have a question, Mel.

4245
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:50,479
>> Okay.

4246
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:53,040
>> And Brian, is this just a one time one

4247
03:09:53,040 --> 03:09:55,279
time expenditure? It's not going to be

4248
03:09:55,279 --> 03:09:58,640
yearly. It's just a grant match.

4249
03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:01,040
Um, I'm not sure if the uh if the it is

4250
03:10:01,040 --> 03:10:02,720
a pilot program, so we'll have to see

4251
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:04,960
how it works and if it's going to be

4252
03:10:04,960 --> 03:10:06,640
successful. I'm sure that we'll see it

4253
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:08,399
again next year.

4254
03:10:08,399 --> 03:10:10,640
>> Okay. And then that being said, was it I

4255
03:10:10,640 --> 03:10:13,120
think it was one of you brought forth

4256
03:10:13,120 --> 03:10:16,240
this idea of like if we're going to have

4257
03:10:16,240 --> 03:10:18,160
and maybe maybe I'm just making this up,

4258
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:20,160
but I feel like we've had the discussion

4259
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:23,680
of these entities that we are supporting

4260
03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:26,560
that we wanted to kind of formalize that

4261
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:28,080
process. And I'm not talking about

4262
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:30,000
tonight. I'm fine with this one if it's

4263
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:32,240
just a one-time match. But if we are

4264
03:10:32,240 --> 03:10:34,399
going to, you know, put these people on

4265
03:10:34,399 --> 03:10:37,439
basically as a line item of our budget

4266
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:38,640
that we're going to have a formal

4267
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:40,880
process like here's who we're supporting

4268
03:10:40,880 --> 03:10:42,880
and why. Um, so I'm just kind of

4269
03:10:42,880 --> 03:10:44,720
bringing that up. I'm I'm supportive of

4270
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:46,720
this. Um, the other thing I want to

4271
03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:49,680
state is is I appreciate that somebody I

4272
03:10:49,680 --> 03:10:51,520
can't remember talked about the

4273
03:10:51,520 --> 03:10:53,040
discretionary fund. I just want to kind

4274
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:55,279
of make sure that we don't over um

4275
03:10:55,279 --> 03:10:56,960
extend that budget. So it's great to

4276
03:10:56,960 --> 03:10:58,640
know that that's within budget. Thank

4277
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:00,080
you.

4278
03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:01,520
>> I do want to comment that I think the

4279
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:03,680
discretionary fund is done. I mean I

4280
03:11:03,680 --> 03:11:04,880
don't know that we can fund anything

4281
03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:07,200
else out of it by looking at the

4282
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:08,720
numbers. So

4283
03:11:08,720 --> 03:11:10,720
>> it's John Kas if I may.

4284
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:11,040
>> Yeah.

4285
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:12,720
>> I think it's likely that the civic

4286
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:14,080
medium.

4287
03:11:14,080 --> 03:11:16,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. So don't plan on finding

4288
03:11:16,319 --> 03:11:18,720
anything else out of the discretionary

4289
03:11:18,720 --> 03:11:22,319
in my there's not much. All right. So we

4290
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:24,560
had a first and a second.

4291
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:27,200
Any other discussion? All right, we'll

4292
03:11:27,200 --> 03:11:30,560
go ahead and vote. All in favor?

4293
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:31,760
>> I

4294
03:11:31,760 --> 03:11:35,760
>> that passes 7 zero.

4295
03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:38,000
And our next one, thank you for being so

4296
03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:40,640
patient in the audience. Um, as we have

4297
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:43,920
Amanda and Elizabeth from Four Corners

4298
03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:46,720
Behavioral Health and we're doing the

4299
03:11:46,720 --> 03:11:50,720
proclamation of the September 2026

4300
03:11:50,720 --> 03:11:53,439
suicide prevention

4301
03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:55,040
and last year you wanted one of us to

4302
03:11:55,040 --> 03:11:56,479
read out loud and we could do that

4303
03:11:56,479 --> 03:11:58,640
again. I would love so much if it could

4304
03:11:58,640 --> 03:11:59,920
be read out loud. I know that it's

4305
03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:02,160
wordy. I'm a wordy person, but it does

4306
03:12:02,160 --> 03:12:04,640
just um open the door for conversation

4307
03:12:04,640 --> 03:12:07,120
and uh opportunity to make connections

4308
03:12:07,120 --> 03:12:08,800
within the community when they hear the

4309
03:12:08,800 --> 03:12:10,880
language that's behind the proclamation.

4310
03:12:10,880 --> 03:12:12,560
So, I would be honored if you could read

4311
03:12:12,560 --> 03:12:14,319
it out loud before we talk about it

4312
03:12:14,319 --> 03:12:14,880
more.

4313
03:12:14,880 --> 03:12:16,160
>> Happy to read it unless someone else

4314
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,160
wanted to. Jo. Okay, sure. Go ahead.

4315
03:12:18,160 --> 03:12:20,319
>> So, this is the the whereas right

4316
03:12:20,319 --> 03:12:21,920
suicide prevention awareness month

4317
03:12:21,920 --> 03:12:24,080
proclamation. Okay. Proclamation. a

4318
03:12:24,080 --> 03:12:25,920
proclamation by the county commissioners

4319
03:12:25,920 --> 03:12:27,600
of Grand County, Utah, proclaiming

4320
03:12:27,600 --> 03:12:31,120
September 2026 to be suicide prevention

4321
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:33,520
and awareness month. Whereas the state

4322
03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:35,439
of Utah has consistently been in the top

4323
03:12:35,439 --> 03:12:38,080
states for suicide deaths since 2012,

4324
03:12:38,080 --> 03:12:40,640
currently 11th in the nation versus 2025

4325
03:12:40,640 --> 03:12:43,279
reporting of seventh. And whereas

4326
03:12:43,279 --> 03:12:45,279
Carbon, Emery, and Grand counties often

4327
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:46,880
lead the state of Utah on suicide deaths

4328
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:50,080
per capita. And whereas people who lose

4329
03:12:50,080 --> 03:12:52,160
their loved ones to suicide are at a 30%

4330
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:53,680
higher risk of ending their lives by

4331
03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:55,600
suicide as a learned coping mechanism

4332
03:12:55,600 --> 03:12:59,359
and learned behavior. And whereas the

4333
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:01,520
risk of suicide can be reduced through

4334
03:13:01,520 --> 03:13:03,200
awareness, proper evidence-based

4335
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:06,560
training, including self uh messaging,

4336
03:13:06,560 --> 03:13:09,200
educational resources, resources, and

4337
03:13:09,200 --> 03:13:11,120
treatment. And whereas according to the

4338
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:12,479
American Foundation for Suicide

4339
03:13:12,479 --> 03:13:14,640
Prevention Statistics, suicide is the

4340
03:13:14,640 --> 03:13:16,880
first leading cause of death among Utons

4341
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:19,600
aged 15 to 24.

4342
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:21,840
And it was second in 2025. The second

4343
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:24,240
leading cause of death among ages 25 to

4344
03:13:24,240 --> 03:13:28,160
34, no change. Second for ages 35 to 44,

4345
03:13:28,160 --> 03:13:31,760
no change. Fourth for ages 45 to 54, no

4346
03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:35,439
change. Sixth for ages 55 to 64, which

4347
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:38,000
has the highest rate of suicide. fourth

4348
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:41,359
in 2025 and seventh for ages 65 and

4349
03:13:41,359 --> 03:13:44,880
older, which was 18th in 2025. And

4350
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:46,960
whereas suicide has ripple effects that

4351
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:48,800
affect everyone, suicide is everyone's

4352
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:50,800
business, talking about suicide does not

4353
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:53,120
plant the idea of self harm. And suicide

4354
03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:54,479
is one of the most preventable deaths

4355
03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:57,040
that can be eradicated by one, learning

4356
03:13:57,040 --> 03:13:58,479
the warning signs of depression and

4357
03:13:58,479 --> 03:14:01,600
suicidal ideiation. Two, knowing how and

4358
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:03,520
when to ask about one's suicidal

4359
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:06,080
thoughts. Three, being aware of

4360
03:14:06,080 --> 03:14:08,880
self-saving measures such as safe safe

4361
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:11,359
storage of firearms and medications. And

4362
03:14:11,359 --> 03:14:13,680
four, familiarizing ourselves with the

4363
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:15,760
resources available locally such as Four

4364
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:17,920
Corners Community Behavioral Health

4365
03:14:17,920 --> 03:14:20,720
statewide such as live on Utah and

4366
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:22,960
nationwide such as calling or texting

4367
03:14:22,960 --> 03:14:27,120
988 the suicide and crisis lifeline.

4368
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:28,720
Now therefore, we Grand County

4369
03:14:28,720 --> 03:14:31,600
Commissioners Hadler, Haden, Martinez,

4370
03:14:31,600 --> 03:14:34,560
McCandless, Chair Mccandas, McCertie,

4371
03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:37,279
Man, and Vice Chair Winfield, on this

4372
03:14:37,279 --> 03:14:39,840
18th day of August, 2026, do hereby

4373
03:14:39,840 --> 03:14:42,160
proclaim September 26 to be suicide

4374
03:14:42,160 --> 03:14:44,720
prevention and awareness month in the

4375
03:14:44,720 --> 03:14:46,399
county of Grant and encourage all

4376
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,000
residents of Grant County to recognize

4377
03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:50,319
how serious suicide is and the steps

4378
03:14:50,319 --> 03:14:52,800
each of us can take to protect those

4379
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:55,200
around us from this preventable tragedy,

4380
03:14:55,200 --> 03:14:57,200
one with devastating generational and

4381
03:14:57,200 --> 03:15:00,000
communitywide effects. Thank you all for

4382
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:02,000
your work on this.

4383
03:15:02,000 --> 03:15:06,469
>> Go ahead. Um I have Mike,

4384
03:15:06,479 --> 03:15:10,560
» I don't don't want me to take it. This hits us all. It's hard to keep a

4385
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:12,880
straight face up here making this motion

4386
03:15:12,880 --> 03:15:15,120
uh as it's touched my family uh a little

4387
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:18,880
too much. Um in that I move to proclaim

4388
03:15:18,880 --> 03:15:22,080
September 2026 to be suicide prevention

4389
03:15:22,080 --> 03:15:24,239
and awareness month.

4390
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:25,439
Second.

4391
03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:27,680
>> Okay. and Edwards.

4392
03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:30,880
>> All right. Any other discussion?

4393
03:15:30,880 --> 03:15:32,800
>> I would just like to invite all of you

4394
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:34,560
to a couple of events that we have

4395
03:15:34,560 --> 03:15:36,960
happening in Grant County to commemorate

4396
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:39,120
September Suicide Prevention Awareness

4397
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:41,040
Month. They were included in the packet

4398
03:15:41,040 --> 03:15:44,239
that I sent to to Dana. But um uh the

4399
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:46,319
first one is on World Suicide Prevention

4400
03:15:46,319 --> 03:15:48,080
Day, which happens every year on

4401
03:15:48,080 --> 03:15:50,319
September 10th. Um this year it will be

4402
03:15:50,319 --> 03:15:52,880
held at Swany Park. Um Beth will be

4403
03:15:52,880 --> 03:15:54,479
facilitating that and it's an

4404
03:15:54,479 --> 03:15:56,239
opportunity, a free opportunity for

4405
03:15:56,239 --> 03:15:58,399
community members who have lost a loved

4406
03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:00,960
one to suicide to gather with other lost

4407
03:16:00,960 --> 03:16:03,120
survivors in the community and create a

4408
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:04,960
community within a community of support

4409
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:08,880
and love and hope. Um, we we offer uh

4410
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:11,040
battery operated candles and at 8

4411
03:16:11,040 --> 03:16:13,200
o'clock worldwide in respected time

4412
03:16:13,200 --> 03:16:16,160
zones, a light a candle is lit in honor

4413
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:18,160
of our loved ones because although they

4414
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:20,000
may not be walking beside us physically

4415
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:22,000
here on earth, their light never dims as

4416
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,720
long as we remember them and give them

4417
03:16:24,720 --> 03:16:28,560
um give their legacy a name. The second

4418
03:16:28,560 --> 03:16:30,239
event is happening on the last Saturday

4419
03:16:30,239 --> 03:16:33,279
of September, September 26th. Um again

4420
03:16:33,279 --> 03:16:35,680
it's uh no excuse me it's at Grand

4421
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:38,239
County High School. Um we are doing the

4422
03:16:38,239 --> 03:16:41,840
second annual um walk for the American

4423
03:16:41,840 --> 03:16:43,920
Foundation for Suicide Prevention. It

4424
03:16:43,920 --> 03:16:46,239
too is a free event and everybody is

4425
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:47,920
encouraged to register by going to

4426
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:51,680
afsp.orgab org/moab

4427
03:16:51,680 --> 03:16:54,399
and uh again it's another opportunity to

4428
03:16:54,399 --> 03:16:56,560
bring our community together whether you

4429
03:16:56,560 --> 03:16:58,720
are a loss survivor, somebody who has

4430
03:16:58,720 --> 03:17:01,040
survived a suicide attempt or are

4431
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:03,680
support supporting a loved one who is

4432
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:05,920
currently in a mental health crisis to

4433
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:07,840
come together, learn resources, hear

4434
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:11,439
from amazing inspirational uh speakers

4435
03:17:11,439 --> 03:17:14,399
and uh do a do a walk that just

4436
03:17:14,399 --> 03:17:17,359
commemorates the the love and the uh

4437
03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:19,760
again the legacy of the loved ones that

4438
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:22,239
we have lost to suicide. There are a lot

4439
03:17:22,239 --> 03:17:24,319
of things that the that Four Corners

4440
03:17:24,319 --> 03:17:26,080
Community for Labor Health are doing by

4441
03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:27,920
way of helping our community here in

4442
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:30,960
Moab and beyond for suicide prevention.

4443
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:33,760
Um I'm doing all the talking. Beth is so

4444
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:36,080
used to this. Um, Beth, I don't know if

4445
03:17:36,080 --> 03:17:37,840
you know, is a new member of the

4446
03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:39,279
American Foundation for Suicide

4447
03:17:39,279 --> 03:17:41,760
Prevention board, Utah board, which is

4448
03:17:41,760 --> 03:17:43,439
huge for Grant County, because that

4449
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:44,800
means that there are nationwide

4450
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:47,359
resources being streamed in in our

4451
03:17:47,359 --> 03:17:49,279
community where the the funding for

4452
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:51,840
suicide prevention is so so little. So,

4453
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:53,359
with that partnership with the American

4454
03:17:53,359 --> 03:17:55,359
Foundation for Suicide Prevention, we

4455
03:17:55,359 --> 03:17:58,080
are um able to offer educational

4456
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:00,720
resources. We are able to offer free

4457
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:02,640
suicide prevention trainings. And

4458
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:04,960
because of uh the the grant money that

4459
03:18:04,960 --> 03:18:06,319
we have through Four Corners Community

4460
03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:07,920
Behavioral Health, those means

4461
03:18:07,920 --> 03:18:10,000
restrictions that are that are noted in

4462
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:11,840
the proclamation are free for our

4463
03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:13,840
community. So we have gun locks, we have

4464
03:18:13,840 --> 03:18:16,239
gun safes, we have biometric handgun

4465
03:18:16,239 --> 03:18:18,000
safes coming to a neighborhood near you

4466
03:18:18,000 --> 03:18:19,920
soon, soon as I can get them labeled.

4467
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:22,560
And um also we have medication lock

4468
03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:25,359
boxes and bags. And so if anybody in the

4469
03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:26,960
community is worried about a loved one,

4470
03:18:26,960 --> 03:18:28,720
please do not hesitate to reach out to

4471
03:18:28,720 --> 03:18:31,600
four corners or calling, texting, uh

4472
03:18:31,600 --> 03:18:33,840
chatting online with 988, that will get

4473
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:35,760
you in touch with our local mobile

4474
03:18:35,760 --> 03:18:38,160
crisis outreach team and we will get

4475
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:40,319
those u mean safety right into your

4476
03:18:40,319 --> 03:18:42,080
hands. We will get you a grant to

4477
03:18:42,080 --> 03:18:44,800
deliver those. So um thank you so much

4478
03:18:44,800 --> 03:18:46,640
for your time this evening. I told you

4479
03:18:46,640 --> 03:18:51,279
I'm worthy. You know this, sir.

4480
03:18:51,279 --> 03:18:54,160
>> What would you repeat that number? 988.

4481
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:56,960
>> I thought that's what you said. Yes.

4482
03:18:56,960 --> 03:18:57,600
Okay.

4483
03:18:57,600 --> 03:18:59,279
>> Can you please uh forward the event

4484
03:18:59,279 --> 03:19:00,720
information? I'd love to help get the

4485
03:19:00,720 --> 03:19:01,680
word out for you.

4486
03:19:01,680 --> 03:19:02,160
>> Excellent.

4487
03:19:02,160 --> 03:19:03,680
>> Uh just commission.

4488
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:05,840
>> Okay. Yep. Um I believe it was a part of

4489
03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:07,520
the original proclamation, but I will

4490
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:08,880
I'm more than happy to send it out

4491
03:19:08,880 --> 03:19:11,279
again.

4492
03:19:11,279 --> 03:19:12,399
>> Thank you all so very much.

4493
03:19:12,399 --> 03:19:14,960
>> Thank you. We appreciate you a minute

4494
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:16,640
now.

4495
03:19:16,640 --> 03:19:19,920
>> Excellent. So I just defer to her. But

4496
03:19:19,920 --> 03:19:23,040
we didn't have questions feel free.

4497
03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:24,399
>> I guess I should let you finish doing

4498
03:19:24,399 --> 03:19:26,560
your part. It's fine. [laughter]

4499
03:19:26,560 --> 03:19:27,840
Elizabeth, did you have anything you

4500
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:28,640
wanted to add?

4501
03:19:28,640 --> 03:19:31,680
>> No, I I was just saying uh Amanda is our

4502
03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:33,760
suicide prevention liaison. She is the

4503
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:37,840
expert. Um so I defer to her. Um but I'm

4504
03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:39,920
happy to field any questions. You can

4505
03:19:39,920 --> 03:19:43,120
reach out to me at any time. Just Yeah.

4506
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:46,880
Great. Thank you. Okay. So we have a a

4507
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:48,239
first and a second for this

4508
03:19:48,239 --> 03:19:51,520
proclamation. So all in favor

4509
03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:52,399
>> I

4510
03:19:52,399 --> 03:19:55,200
>> and that passes 70. Not that we had any

4511
03:19:55,200 --> 03:19:58,000
worries that

4512
03:19:58,000 --> 03:19:59,680
I had somebody asked the other night

4513
03:19:59,680 --> 03:20:01,520
what if what if they said no and I said

4514
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:02,640
well then I'm going to catch some

4515
03:20:02,640 --> 03:20:04,560
charges. No, I'm just kidding.

4516
03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:08,309
>> I'm totally kidding.

4517
03:20:08,319 --> 03:20:09,520
» Thank you all so much.

4518
03:20:09,520 --> 03:20:11,520
>> Thank you commissioners.

4519
03:20:11,520 --> 03:20:13,760
>> Thank you. see you guys at these events.

4520
03:20:13,760 --> 03:20:14,000
And

4521
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:15,359
>> yes, thanks.

4522
03:20:15,359 --> 03:20:17,200
>> Okay,

4523
03:20:17,200 --> 03:20:21,600
>> moving on to number 13, which is the

4524
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:24,560
consideration of reclassification of the

4525
03:20:24,560 --> 03:20:26,560
Grand County

4526
03:20:26,560 --> 03:20:29,279
um attorney's office victim advocate. I

4527
03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:30,640
don't even know what the acronym is for

4528
03:20:30,640 --> 03:20:32,880
that. So, all right, let's see.

4529
03:20:32,880 --> 03:20:34,399
>> Um just by way of background

4530
03:20:34,399 --> 03:20:36,160
information, currently this position is

4531
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:37,520
with county attorney's office and a

4532
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:40,880
part-time capacity role. Um, this item

4533
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:42,479
is being raised back for a full-time

4534
03:20:42,479 --> 03:20:44,720
consideration. Full-time would allow for

4535
03:20:44,720 --> 03:20:46,080
the victim advocate to be able to

4536
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:48,800
provide additional resources beyond um

4537
03:20:48,800 --> 03:20:52,160
what she is able to clearly provide. I I

4538
03:20:52,160 --> 03:20:55,200
know the commission um has had questions

4539
03:20:55,200 --> 03:20:57,520
about funding this. Um I have indicated

4540
03:20:57,520 --> 03:20:59,040
to the commission that is my goal to

4541
03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:01,439
look for and find additional funding. In

4542
03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:02,960
the event that this is approved, we will

4543
03:21:02,960 --> 03:21:04,800
continue to search for funding. During

4544
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:06,399
this meeting tonight, at one point I

4545
03:21:06,399 --> 03:21:09,279
slipped out to join on to a meeting with

4546
03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:11,120
uh the state who is applying for a grant

4547
03:21:11,120 --> 03:21:13,200
in this area. And one of the things that

4548
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:14,960
they indicated that they would be able

4549
03:21:14,960 --> 03:21:18,560
to provide if the grant is accepted 13

4550
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:21,840
or $1,000 or sorry $13,900

4551
03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:24,319
annually for three years for prosecution

4552
03:21:24,319 --> 03:21:27,040
services in the implementation of uh

4553
03:21:27,040 --> 03:21:29,680
stringulation training in Odara. Um

4554
03:21:29,680 --> 03:21:32,560
those are some uh grant opportunities.

4555
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:34,880
Grand County is being highlighted by the

4556
03:21:34,880 --> 03:21:38,399
state as a new um kind of pilot program

4557
03:21:38,399 --> 03:21:40,399
for domestic violence across the state.

4558
03:21:40,399 --> 03:21:44,319
They have hired um Miss Mc Court who is

4559
03:21:44,319 --> 03:21:46,640
one of uh one position throughout the

4560
03:21:46,640 --> 03:21:48,479
entire state that's focusing on domestic

4561
03:21:48,479 --> 03:21:50,960
violence and that is being done with

4562
03:21:50,960 --> 03:21:52,800
Bernal's justice court and Grand

4563
03:21:52,800 --> 03:21:55,359
County's justice court. And so Judge

4564
03:21:55,359 --> 03:21:57,760
Walsh O'Donnell is also on that panel.

4565
03:21:57,760 --> 03:21:59,600
We're working to kind of do a better

4566
03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:01,359
response to domestic violence in smaller

4567
03:22:01,359 --> 03:22:02,960
communities. um like our resort

4568
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:05,200
community as well. Uh we've been working

4569
03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:07,120
on additional funding through other

4570
03:22:07,120 --> 03:22:09,359
means as I've mentioned frequently. We

4571
03:22:09,359 --> 03:22:12,160
participated in the ICCR which is the

4572
03:22:12,160 --> 03:22:13,600
Institute of Community Coordinated

4573
03:22:13,600 --> 03:22:16,080
Response Domestic Violence. Um my office

4574
03:22:16,080 --> 03:22:17,600
is dedicated to providing as much

4575
03:22:17,600 --> 03:22:19,600
resource as we can. Uh we brought this

4576
03:22:19,600 --> 03:22:21,120
position on originally as a part-time

4577
03:22:21,120 --> 03:22:24,080
position and position is very

4578
03:22:24,080 --> 03:22:26,800
successful. Um but we we need additional

4579
03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:30,800
time and we we have too much need. we

4580
03:22:30,800 --> 03:22:32,479
continue to have bigger cases that come

4581
03:22:32,479 --> 03:22:35,120
through and so it's our request to uh

4582
03:22:35,120 --> 03:22:36,239
bring this classification for the

4583
03:22:36,239 --> 03:22:37,680
commission for consideration and

4584
03:22:37,680 --> 03:22:39,279
approval this evening.

4585
03:22:39,279 --> 03:22:42,800
>> Okay, Bill. Um, I'd like to make the

4586
03:22:42,800 --> 03:22:45,200
motion and then possibly some comment if

4587
03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:47,680
we get second, but I move to approve the

4588
03:22:47,680 --> 03:22:50,160
reclassification of the part-time Grand

4589
03:22:50,160 --> 03:22:53,279
County Attorney's Office victim advocate

4590
03:22:53,279 --> 03:22:56,239
position to a full-time benefited

4591
03:22:56,239 --> 03:23:01,190
position effective 8312026

4592
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:04,800
with participation from both the county

4593
03:23:04,800 --> 03:23:06,640
attorney's office and the sheriff's

4594
03:23:06,640 --> 03:23:12,550
office in the use of this position.

4595
03:23:12,560 --> 03:23:14,319
Okay. Any more discussion? Oh, you

4596
03:23:14,319 --> 03:23:15,840
wanted to comment again, Bill. I mean,

4597
03:23:15,840 --> 03:23:18,399
>> I I think um it's critical that we make

4598
03:23:18,399 --> 03:23:20,479
sure that both of those departments have

4599
03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:22,800
access to this position. I mean, there's

4600
03:23:22,800 --> 03:23:26,399
um I we can't even speak sometimes to

4601
03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:28,880
the amount of tragedies that happen and

4602
03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:31,600
sometimes they're people that Steven's

4603
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:33,600
office has to deal with and others their

4604
03:23:33,600 --> 03:23:35,439
accidents or whatever out in the public

4605
03:23:35,439 --> 03:23:37,439
as we just had on the highway the other

4606
03:23:37,439 --> 03:23:40,720
night. So it it's critical that we do

4607
03:23:40,720 --> 03:23:42,640
fund this and it's critical that we work

4608
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:44,800
together with those two departments was

4609
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:48,980
what my whole goal was.

4610
03:23:48,990 --> 03:23:49,680
[clears throat]

4611
03:23:49,680 --> 03:23:51,200
>> Do you have a comment too big?

4612
03:23:51,200 --> 03:23:53,200
>> Yeah. No, I think this is this this is

4613
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:55,680
it's a it's a tight budgeting season

4614
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:57,200
obviously and and we need to look at all

4615
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:01,200
these uh reclassifications and um uh

4616
03:24:01,200 --> 03:24:02,720
upgrades I guess you could say

4617
03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:04,239
carefully, but this is this is

4618
03:24:04,239 --> 03:24:06,640
definitely one that in my opinion is

4619
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:10,720
necessary and um definitely appreciate

4620
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:12,319
everything that the victim's advocate

4621
03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:14,560
has been doing and giving uh her the

4622
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:19,279
opportunity to work full-time makes ton

4623
03:24:19,279 --> 03:24:22,000
of sense. in favor of this.

4624
03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:26,389
>> Okay, Trish has her hand up.

4625
03:24:26,399 --> 03:24:28,640
» Thank you. I I I want to make it clear

4626
03:24:28,640 --> 03:24:31,439
to citizens that that spoke, they it

4627
03:24:31,439 --> 03:24:35,200
seems like some of them um weren't

4628
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:37,120
understanding that we do have a victim's

4629
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:38,560
advocate. So, I want to make sure that

4630
03:24:38,560 --> 03:24:40,800
they understand that we we do currently

4631
03:24:40,800 --> 03:24:43,920
have a a part-time victim's advocate.

4632
03:24:43,920 --> 03:24:46,640
This is this is extremely hard for me,

4633
03:24:46,640 --> 03:24:49,439
but I am not going to vote for this. And

4634
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:52,319
the reason being is I do not want to

4635
03:24:52,319 --> 03:24:54,080
stray. Um I don't want to be a

4636
03:24:54,080 --> 03:24:57,920
hypocrite. I think I have repeatedly

4637
03:24:57,920 --> 03:25:00,880
maybe even hundreds of times stated how

4638
03:25:00,880 --> 03:25:05,120
concerned I am about the budget. And and

4639
03:25:05,120 --> 03:25:08,160
yet even in today's meeting, we had a

4640
03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:10,239
commissioner talk about adding another

4641
03:25:10,239 --> 03:25:13,279
part-time position. I've heard multiple

4642
03:25:13,279 --> 03:25:15,200
commissioners talking about bloated

4643
03:25:15,200 --> 03:25:17,600
budgets, using that term, talking about

4644
03:25:17,600 --> 03:25:20,080
continuing to grow budgets, using that

4645
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:23,200
term. And so that being said, it's

4646
03:25:23,200 --> 03:25:25,840
really difficult when we have these one

4647
03:25:25,840 --> 03:25:29,920
at a time asks that are like this is a

4648
03:25:29,920 --> 03:25:33,439
really difficult ask for me. Um, a lot

4649
03:25:33,439 --> 03:25:35,120
of us talk about having personal

4650
03:25:35,120 --> 03:25:39,120
experiences. I had a lived a lot of my

4651
03:25:39,120 --> 03:25:41,840
life with these types of experiences.

4652
03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:44,239
Um, so this is very difficult for me and

4653
03:25:44,239 --> 03:25:46,080
I know the need in our community. But at

4654
03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:48,720
the same time, and I believe this and I

4655
03:25:48,720 --> 03:25:50,560
talked to Tess and Quinn about this the

4656
03:25:50,560 --> 03:25:52,880
other day, I think we need to have a

4657
03:25:52,880 --> 03:25:56,239
holistic look at our staffing and the

4658
03:25:56,239 --> 03:25:59,680
needs. And that being said, let admin

4659
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:02,960
and HR go through those needs and

4660
03:26:02,960 --> 03:26:07,760
prioritize them. And hopefully that'll flesh out. And I'm not at all

4661
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:09,920
talking specifically about Stephen and

4662
03:26:09,920 --> 03:26:12,720
this ask today. I'm just talking in

4663
03:26:12,720 --> 03:26:15,600
general. I hope that in in the next year

4664
03:26:15,600 --> 03:26:18,239
we can have that holistic view of these

4665
03:26:18,239 --> 03:26:19,840
are these are our budgeting resources

4666
03:26:19,840 --> 03:26:21,520
and what are our greatest needs and

4667
03:26:21,520 --> 03:26:23,200
where do we want them to go? And I think

4668
03:26:23,200 --> 03:26:26,479
this is a huge need and I think it it

4669
03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:29,040
far overcomes a lot of the things that

4670
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:32,800
we've spent money on just randomly and

4671
03:26:32,800 --> 03:26:34,800
huge sums of money. I won't get into

4672
03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:38,560
that, but I'm going to kind of continue

4673
03:26:38,560 --> 03:26:41,520
my path of stating we can't keep growing

4674
03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:44,000
the budget. And I say it and I actually

4675
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:46,800
mean it and I vote like that. Other

4676
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:48,880
people say it and they don't actually

4677
03:26:48,880 --> 03:26:52,880
follow through. So, that's where I'm at.

4678
03:26:52,880 --> 03:26:54,000
>> You have another comment. Oh, wait.

4679
03:26:54,000 --> 03:26:57,600
Mike's gonna go before I go. Yeah.

4680
03:26:57,600 --> 03:26:59,359
uh

4681
03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:00,960
easily sitting in the room here tonight,

4682
03:27:00,960 --> 03:27:04,239
we have some very opposing views on our

4683
03:27:04,239 --> 03:27:06,880
local politics. Everyone spoke highly

4684
03:27:06,880 --> 03:27:09,200
for this. It didn't m matter your

4685
03:27:09,200 --> 03:27:11,120
political background. It it matters that

4686
03:27:11,120 --> 03:27:14,720
this affects people and uh obviously

4687
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:17,359
she's helping our community.

4688
03:27:17,359 --> 03:27:20,319
I mean, it was spoken for tonight by the

4689
03:27:20,319 --> 03:27:23,200
uh by all of our constituents uh from

4690
03:27:23,200 --> 03:27:26,960
all teams. uh and makes the makes the

4691
03:27:26,960 --> 03:27:32,309
choice to support this pretty easy.

4692
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:34,720
» Brian, go ahead.

4693
03:27:34,720 --> 03:27:36,399
>> Yeah, just real quick when we're looking

4694
03:27:36,399 --> 03:27:38,319
at this, there are certain services that

4695
03:27:38,319 --> 03:27:40,080
we have to provide for our citiz

4696
03:27:40,080 --> 03:27:42,080
citizenry and this is one of those

4697
03:27:42,080 --> 03:27:44,000
services. Previously, I know that we

4698
03:27:44,000 --> 03:27:47,040
were using the uh uh the city of Moab's

4699
03:27:47,040 --> 03:27:49,680
victim advocate um in previous years and

4700
03:27:49,680 --> 03:27:51,520
so moving this over to Grand County, I

4701
03:27:51,520 --> 03:27:53,359
think that there was some questions on

4702
03:27:53,359 --> 03:27:55,600
was this going to be a part-time

4703
03:27:55,600 --> 03:27:58,560
position and um it's sad that the need

4704
03:27:58,560 --> 03:28:00,080
is there for this to be a full-time

4705
03:28:00,080 --> 03:28:01,760
position, but but I completely support

4706
03:28:01,760 --> 03:28:05,510
it.

4707
03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:07,200
» Yeah. And I think all of us as

4708
03:28:07,200 --> 03:28:09,359
commissioners have the opportunity to

4709
03:28:09,359 --> 03:28:11,680
help in looking for funding for this. I

4710
03:28:11,680 --> 03:28:14,399
know that the attorney general's office

4711
03:28:14,399 --> 03:28:18,000
and Tracy Tabet have done a great job of

4712
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:21,120
funding the Children's Justice Center

4713
03:28:21,120 --> 03:28:23,600
and are also working towards funding

4714
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:25,840
this position as well. So, I I think we

4715
03:28:25,840 --> 03:28:28,080
can all reach out and build that bridge

4716
03:28:28,080 --> 03:28:31,439
and spend some time in efforts that

4717
03:28:31,439 --> 03:28:33,520
bring back some grant funding to support

4718
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:35,359
this position.

4719
03:28:35,359 --> 03:28:36,720
>> Mike, you had another comment.

4720
03:28:36,720 --> 03:28:38,880
>> Oh, very much so. Uh please keep me

4721
03:28:38,880 --> 03:28:41,040
appraised. you know, we go up uh to

4722
03:28:41,040 --> 03:28:43,439
legislature. Uh you know, we speak with

4723
03:28:43,439 --> 03:28:45,600
uh almost everyone, but if there's

4724
03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:47,600
chances out there, I would really like

4725
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:50,319
uh please point them for us uh towards

4726
03:28:50,319 --> 03:28:51,359
us that go up.

4727
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:54,399
>> Yeah. I just if I can share, I want to

4728
03:28:54,399 --> 03:28:56,880
appreciate the the commission. I know

4729
03:28:56,880 --> 03:28:59,439
this this was presented um previously

4730
03:28:59,439 --> 03:29:02,080
with other other items and I appreciate

4731
03:29:02,080 --> 03:29:04,080
the con the commission considering this

4732
03:29:04,080 --> 03:29:06,319
position again on its own. I think it is

4733
03:29:06,319 --> 03:29:08,640
a unique position for this community and

4734
03:29:08,640 --> 03:29:10,160
I understand that it's a big ask and

4735
03:29:10,160 --> 03:29:12,800
it's a hard ask and my office is asking

4736
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:15,600
for it um in a less than ideal time but

4737
03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:18,399
there's um there's a great need and I I

4738
03:29:18,399 --> 03:29:20,399
really appreciate and appreciate the

4739
03:29:20,399 --> 03:29:22,880
commission for considering it.

4740
03:29:22,880 --> 03:29:24,080
>> Thank you.

4741
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:25,680
>> All right, we'll go ahead and call for a

4742
03:29:25,680 --> 03:29:28,800
vote. Those in favor

4743
03:29:28,800 --> 03:29:30,239
>> I

4744
03:29:30,239 --> 03:29:33,680
>> and those opposed.

4745
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:35,359
All right, that passes. Sixth one with

4746
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:38,160
Commissioner Hebdine opposed.

4747
03:29:38,160 --> 03:29:40,319
Okay, moving on to number 14 is a

4748
03:29:40,319 --> 03:29:41,920
consideration of reclassification of

4749
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:44,080
Sandpots recreation area lead technician

4750
03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:45,760
and we have Andrea Brand, our director

4751
03:29:45,760 --> 03:29:48,560
of operations. Thank you.

4752
03:29:48,560 --> 03:29:50,000
>> Thank you for the opportunity to come

4753
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:52,960
before you today. Um, just as a

4754
03:29:52,960 --> 03:29:54,960
background to our citizens, I know you

4755
03:29:54,960 --> 03:29:57,520
folks know that uh, SAM Plats is an

4756
03:29:57,520 --> 03:29:59,520
enterprise fund under the under the

4757
03:29:59,520 --> 03:30:03,439
county. And so we would uh this um ask

4758
03:30:03,439 --> 03:30:06,160
in this uh line item would not come from

4759
03:30:06,160 --> 03:30:10,080
any general funding monies. Uh so um

4760
03:30:10,080 --> 03:30:13,279
recently at uh Thailix meeting um

4761
03:30:13,279 --> 03:30:16,000
actually it was back in in May I believe

4762
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:18,880
um members at the meeting complimented

4763
03:30:18,880 --> 03:30:21,279
GCAT about their upkeep of the raptor

4764
03:30:21,279 --> 03:30:24,479
route and Evan Smiley said he couldn't

4765
03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:26,560
take the credit this time because it was

4766
03:30:26,560 --> 03:30:29,439
Samplat staff that had uh done the

4767
03:30:29,439 --> 03:30:31,120
maintenance and the upkeep on that

4768
03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:35,120
section of trip. And um so

4769
03:30:35,120 --> 03:30:37,520
uh we have a position that has not been

4770
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:41,040
filled for a few years and I have a uh

4771
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:44,000
employee that has just really stepped

4772
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:46,880
forward with helping to improve and

4773
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:50,080
maintain our trails and uh with the

4774
03:30:50,080 --> 03:30:52,399
increase in visitation and popularity of

4775
03:30:52,399 --> 03:30:54,560
these trails. In particular, I'm talking

4776
03:30:54,560 --> 03:30:56,399
about the raptor route which has seen

4777
03:30:56,399 --> 03:30:58,319
about 20,000

4778
03:30:58,319 --> 03:31:00,960
uh folks last year in nine months which

4779
03:31:00,960 --> 03:31:04,239
is rivaling uh whole enchilada trail. So

4780
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:07,600
with those needs um I'm asking to uh

4781
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:11,040
have support to uh put this person in a

4782
03:31:11,040 --> 03:31:13,600
lead seasonal recreation technician

4783
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:16,640
position. uh we are only looking at uh

4784
03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:20,080
less than $2,000 this year and then next

4785
03:31:20,080 --> 03:31:23,279
year uh it would be $8,500 over the

4786
03:31:23,279 --> 03:31:25,840
course of the whole year. Um also the

4787
03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:29,439
hours would increase from 1,080 hours uh

4788
03:31:29,439 --> 03:31:32,160
per year to 1,200 hours. This is still a

4789
03:31:32,160 --> 03:31:34,239
part-time position, not a benefited

4790
03:31:34,239 --> 03:31:38,000
position. Um, and so, uh, I think it

4791
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:40,640
would really help us on the ground to,

4792
03:31:40,640 --> 03:31:43,120
uh, continue to, um, maintain our our

4793
03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:45,600
trails and for our visitors and our

4794
03:31:45,600 --> 03:31:46,960
locals.

4795
03:31:46,960 --> 03:31:49,279
>> Okay. And Bill, can you hand up?

4796
03:31:49,279 --> 03:31:50,720
>> Yeah. I move to approve the

4797
03:31:50,720 --> 03:31:54,479
reclassification of the SFR recreation

4798
03:31:54,479 --> 03:31:59,040
technician one position to SFRA

4799
03:31:59,040 --> 03:32:02,319
lead recreation technician effective 831

4800
03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:04,560
2026.

4801
03:32:04,560 --> 03:32:06,000
I'll second it.

4802
03:32:06,000 --> 03:32:09,406
>> Okay.

4803
03:32:09,416 --> 03:32:09,600
[clears throat]

4804
03:32:09,600 --> 03:32:12,319
>> Thank you uh for explaining that to

4805
03:32:12,319 --> 03:32:14,479
citizens to where uh money comes from

4806
03:32:14,479 --> 03:32:16,319
and actually putting in the packet. It

4807
03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:18,479
was very nice too that it it it's coming

4808
03:32:18,479 --> 03:32:21,439
from fund 70 uh as good information to

4809
03:32:21,439 --> 03:32:26,070
let everyone know.

4810
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:30,960
» Okay. Any other discussion questions?

4811
03:32:30,960 --> 03:32:32,640
We'll call for a vote on that. So

4812
03:32:32,640 --> 03:32:34,720
considering consideration of

4813
03:32:34,720 --> 03:32:36,800
reclassification sands recreation all in

4814
03:32:36,800 --> 03:32:39,830
favor

4815
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:44,469
and opposes

4816
03:32:44,479 --> 03:32:46,319
six to one with commissioner Martinez

4817
03:32:46,319 --> 03:32:47,439
opposed.

4818
03:32:47,439 --> 03:32:48,160
>> Thank you very

4819
03:32:48,160 --> 03:32:52,319
>> No, that's not Can you uh uh uh in favor

4820
03:32:52,319 --> 03:32:52,960
of that vote?

4821
03:32:52,960 --> 03:32:56,000
>> Oh, you like Okay, sorry. That passes

4822
03:32:56,000 --> 03:32:58,399
70. Thank you, Bri. It's hard to find

4823
03:32:58,399 --> 03:33:00,479
your spot online sometimes. I just had

4824
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:02,472
to do it.

4825
03:33:02,472 --> 03:33:03,359
>> [laughter]

4826
03:33:03,359 --> 03:33:06,399
>> 70. Thank you, Andrea.

4827
03:33:06,399 --> 03:33:08,560
Okay. Number 15 is resolution amending

4828
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:10,479
the employee handbook at the military

4829
03:33:10,479 --> 03:33:13,600
policy and that's with Tess, our

4830
03:33:13,600 --> 03:33:16,880
personal service director.

4831
03:33:16,880 --> 03:33:23,750
We have Laura here taking this.

4832
03:33:23,760 --> 03:33:26,160
» All right. Good evening, commissioners.

4833
03:33:26,160 --> 03:33:29,760
So for this amendment to our military

4834
03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:35,040
pay policy um we are making two two

4835
03:33:35,040 --> 03:33:37,200
categories of changes. One is ensuring

4836
03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:40,399
that we are more clearly reflecting both

4837
03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:43,840
the federal protection of absences

4838
03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:46,479
related to qualifying military

4839
03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:49,680
assignments. And we are also clarifying

4840
03:33:49,680 --> 03:33:53,439
that um any paid military leave provided

4841
03:33:53,439 --> 03:33:57,040
by Grand County is not a leave bank that

4842
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:59,840
employees um take with them if they are

4843
03:33:59,840 --> 03:34:02,399
departing from from Grand County. We

4844
03:34:02,399 --> 03:34:05,439
currently provide up to 80 hours of paid

4845
03:34:05,439 --> 03:34:07,279
leave for qualifying military

4846
03:34:07,279 --> 03:34:09,520
assignments. So for instance, if they

4847
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:12,479
need to go to training, etc.

4848
03:34:12,479 --> 03:34:14,720
We are also in the second category

4849
03:34:14,720 --> 03:34:17,359
requesting that we bump that bank of 80

4850
03:34:17,359 --> 03:34:19,840
hours up to 120 hours which reflects

4851
03:34:19,840 --> 03:34:21,600
currently what many other counties in

4852
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:22,960
Utah are doing as well as the state of

4853
03:34:22,960 --> 03:34:25,279
Utah including highway patrol. So

4854
03:34:25,279 --> 03:34:27,040
remaining consistent with other entities

4855
03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:30,399
that have this type of paid leave.

4856
03:34:30,399 --> 03:34:31,920
>> Okay. Like

4857
03:34:31,920 --> 03:34:33,840
>> I move to approve the amendment of the

4858
03:34:33,840 --> 03:34:35,760
military pay policy including the Grand

4859
03:34:35,760 --> 03:34:38,560
County employee handbook 2026 effective

4860
03:34:38,560 --> 03:34:40,720
immediately.

4861
03:34:40,720 --> 03:34:43,359
talk. Okay, so yeah, first and second.

4862
03:34:43,359 --> 03:34:46,399
Any other questions for Tess, comments?

4863
03:34:46,399 --> 03:34:47,920
>> Thank you for doing this.

4864
03:34:47,920 --> 03:34:48,640
>> Keep it up.

4865
03:34:48,640 --> 03:34:50,880
>> Thank you all very much.

4866
03:34:50,880 --> 03:34:54,000
>> Okay, call for a vote. Those in favor?

4867
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:54,880
>> I.

4868
03:34:54,880 --> 03:34:56,880
>> And that passes 70. Thank you.

4869
03:34:56,880 --> 03:34:58,640
>> Thank you all.

4870
03:34:58,640 --> 03:35:00,239
>> All right, moving on to the selection of

4871
03:35:00,239 --> 03:35:02,880
shuttle attendant services provider

4872
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:04,560
shuttle. Did you want to speak to this

4873
03:35:04,560 --> 03:35:07,359
Brian or do you want to

4874
03:35:07,359 --> 03:35:10,000
>> go ahead commissioner uh chair?

4875
03:35:10,000 --> 03:35:14,000
>> Okay. So, we had three proposals for the

4876
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:16,479
shuttle attendant services for the Moab

4877
03:35:16,479 --> 03:35:18,800
to Archie shuttle. I think they put the

4878
03:35:18,800 --> 03:35:21,279
scoring sheets. So, um Commissioner

4879
03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:23,920
Martinez, I and Commissioner Winfield

4880
03:35:23,920 --> 03:35:27,279
are all on that subcommittee. And so we

4881
03:35:27,279 --> 03:35:29,359
were able there's uh Lena confirmed that

4882
03:35:29,359 --> 03:35:32,800
there was no issues with any of the

4883
03:35:32,800 --> 03:35:36,710
um

4884
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:39,520
companies that put in. So the winner of

4885
03:35:39,520 --> 03:35:43,760
that proposal is via transportation. And

4886
03:35:43,760 --> 03:35:44,960
I would say, you know, they they

4887
03:35:44,960 --> 03:35:46,800
definitely have the strongest proposals.

4888
03:35:46,800 --> 03:35:48,160
And one of the things that was left off

4889
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:50,479
the shuttle attendant proposal scoring

4890
03:35:50,479 --> 03:35:54,640
sheet um was that those companies that

4891
03:35:54,640 --> 03:35:58,160
gave a um shuttle RFP were given

4892
03:35:58,160 --> 03:36:00,880
preference. And so and and one of the

4893
03:36:00,880 --> 03:36:02,319
also another thing I want to bring up

4894
03:36:02,319 --> 03:36:04,560
about this is that as we were moving

4895
03:36:04,560 --> 03:36:06,239
through the CMA process with the

4896
03:36:06,239 --> 03:36:08,000
National Park Service, the shuttle

4897
03:36:08,000 --> 03:36:09,760
attendant piece came up a little bit

4898
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:12,720
later and in order to uh figure out all

4899
03:36:12,720 --> 03:36:14,319
the pieces with the shuttle attendant,

4900
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:16,319
that's what separated the RFPs. So

4901
03:36:16,319 --> 03:36:17,840
instead of having one RFP that would

4902
03:36:17,840 --> 03:36:21,200
have the shuttle attendant and the um

4903
03:36:21,200 --> 03:36:25,760
shuttle services in one in in one RFP,

4904
03:36:25,760 --> 03:36:27,840
we had to se we separated them. That way

4905
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:29,279
the person doing the shuttle would have

4906
03:36:29,279 --> 03:36:32,640
more time to get the shuttle, get the

4907
03:36:32,640 --> 03:36:34,160
leases, do the things they need to do

4908
03:36:34,160 --> 03:36:36,319
because that's the big the big lift and

4909
03:36:36,319 --> 03:36:37,840
then the smaller lift is the shuttle

4910
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:39,840
attendant services. And so they

4911
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:43,120
definitely got priority because they

4912
03:36:43,120 --> 03:36:46,239
received the proposal or received the

4913
03:36:46,239 --> 03:36:48,319
shuttle services and that that would

4914
03:36:48,319 --> 03:36:49,600
give them an additional piece even

4915
03:36:49,600 --> 03:36:52,319
though if you read all of those um RFPs

4916
03:36:52,319 --> 03:36:54,720
they they are a clear winner on those

4917
03:36:54,720 --> 03:36:57,200
and and our our attended um our proposal

4918
03:36:57,200 --> 03:36:58,720
scoring sheets are in there for you to

4919
03:36:58,720 --> 03:37:00,720
review but that would be our recommended

4920
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:04,000
if anybody wants to make that motion.

4921
03:37:04,000 --> 03:37:04,800
bill.

4922
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:07,120
>> I move to award via the shuttle

4923
03:37:07,120 --> 03:37:10,000
attendant service agreement.

4924
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:13,040
>> Okay, [clears throat] Mike second and

4925
03:37:13,040 --> 03:37:15,439
any discussion? Mike,

4926
03:37:15,439 --> 03:37:17,600
>> I did like seeing uh some constituents

4927
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:21,439
posting on Facebook that uh expected

4928
03:37:21,439 --> 03:37:24,399
living wages are actually uh decent in

4929
03:37:24,399 --> 03:37:26,960
some uh job postings. So, it was good to

4930
03:37:26,960 --> 03:37:29,990
see.

4931
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:32,800
Uh Trish,

4932
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:34,880
>> sorry about that. Um I will not be

4933
03:37:34,880 --> 03:37:37,040
voting on this. I will not be voting on

4934
03:37:37,040 --> 03:37:39,120
anything related to the Moab Arches

4935
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:42,000
shuttle due to the expenditure of

4936
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:43,920
taxpayer dollars, the employee and

4937
03:37:43,920 --> 03:37:45,760
elected time and energy that's going

4938
03:37:45,760 --> 03:37:48,239
into this project. And I do want to

4939
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:51,279
state that if this is a huge success,

4940
03:37:51,279 --> 03:37:53,680
you're welcome to rub my nose in it. I'm

4941
03:37:53,680 --> 03:37:57,439
okay with that. I'm humble enough to to know when I'm wrong. and I hope it's

4942
03:37:57,439 --> 03:37:59,520
a huge success but I will not be

4943
03:37:59,520 --> 03:38:02,960
supporting anything related to it.

4944
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:04,800
>> Okay. Any other com any other

4945
03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:06,800
discussion?

4946
03:38:06,800 --> 03:38:08,479
>> All right. Then we have a first and a

4947
03:38:08,479 --> 03:38:12,800
second call for a vote. Those in favor

4948
03:38:12,800 --> 03:38:17,120
>> I random post

4949
03:38:17,120 --> 03:38:19,120
43 with Commissioner Hadler,

4950
03:38:19,120 --> 03:38:20,800
Commissioner Man and Commissioner Hadin

4951
03:38:20,800 --> 03:38:23,840
in opposition. Moving along to number 17

4952
03:38:23,840 --> 03:38:25,439
is the amendment to the Mob Arches

4953
03:38:25,439 --> 03:38:27,040
transportation services agreement to

4954
03:38:27,040 --> 03:38:28,239
accommodate the selected shuttle

4955
03:38:28,239 --> 03:38:30,399
attendant provider.

4956
03:38:30,399 --> 03:38:33,840
And so the um shuttle attendant services

4957
03:38:33,840 --> 03:38:35,600
agreement has been included in the

4958
03:38:35,600 --> 03:38:37,439
packet and that was approved last

4959
03:38:37,439 --> 03:38:40,239
meeting. It's been signed and with that

4960
03:38:40,239 --> 03:38:42,640
inside of the

4961
03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:46,000
um the services agreement was something

4962
03:38:46,000 --> 03:38:47,920
that separated via from the shuttle

4963
03:38:47,920 --> 03:38:51,040
attendant. And so with this selection

4964
03:38:51,040 --> 03:38:54,560
tonight, we have to either add VIA's um

4965
03:38:54,560 --> 03:38:57,600
contract adding in the agreement that

4966
03:38:57,600 --> 03:38:59,439
they would be doing the shuttle or we

4967
03:38:59,439 --> 03:39:01,600
would have a separate um agreement that

4968
03:39:01,600 --> 03:39:03,279
said that they would work with the the

4969
03:39:03,279 --> 03:39:05,040
company that got selected. So there is

4970
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:11,760
two um amendments in the packet that reflect that. So, one is that BEA

4971
03:39:11,760 --> 03:39:13,120
would have gotten it or that BA would

4972
03:39:13,120 --> 03:39:16,399
have worked with the um the company that

4973
03:39:16,399 --> 03:39:21,670
got that grant or that.

4974
03:39:21,680 --> 03:39:23,359
» So,

4975
03:39:23,359 --> 03:39:24,399
>> go ahead, Bill.

4976
03:39:24,399 --> 03:39:30,150
>> I move to assign amendment option A

4977
03:39:30,160 --> 03:39:32,399
» to the Moab Arches service agreement.

4978
03:39:32,399 --> 03:39:34,000
Did I get all the correct verbage or

4979
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:35,920
anything? Yeah, option A and then option

4980
03:39:35,920 --> 03:39:38,080
B was the one that had the other. They

4981
03:39:38,080 --> 03:39:40,000
were going to work with another update.

4982
03:39:40,000 --> 03:39:41,600
>> Go ahead, Mike.

4983
03:39:41,600 --> 03:39:43,680
>> I just want to make uh thanks for

4984
03:39:43,680 --> 03:39:45,600
previous talk today making some points

4985
03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:49,040
and of clarity. I just wanted to say

4986
03:39:49,040 --> 03:39:51,200
thanks for uh the fast response there.

4987
03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:53,600
>> Yep. Happy to do it.

4988
03:39:53,600 --> 03:39:57,279
>> Okay. Any other comments?

4989
03:39:57,279 --> 03:39:58,640
>> No. All right. We'll go ahead and call

4990
03:39:58,640 --> 03:40:00,479
for a vote on the amendment to the

4991
03:40:00,479 --> 03:40:03,920
Arches Transportation. All in favor?

4992
03:40:03,920 --> 03:40:05,840
I

4993
03:40:05,840 --> 03:40:09,830
>> and those opposed.

4994
03:40:09,840 --> 03:40:11,439
» Okay, Mary, you raise your hand for the

4995
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:12,160
first one.

4996
03:40:12,160 --> 03:40:13,920
>> I was I was that

4997
03:40:13,920 --> 03:40:15,520
>> I was reaching for

4998
03:40:15,520 --> 03:40:16,239
>> Okay,

4999
03:40:16,239 --> 03:40:17,600
>> do something with my computer. I

5000
03:40:17,600 --> 03:40:19,680
apologize. It looked like I was. I

5001
03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:22,479
>> did. Sorry. Okay, so that that passes

5002
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:24,239
with four in favor, three opposed.

5003
03:40:24,239 --> 03:40:25,680
Commissioner Hadine, Commissioner

5004
03:40:25,680 --> 03:40:28,000
Heather, and Commissioner again.

5005
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:30,640
>> Moving on to the number 18.

5006
03:40:30,640 --> 03:40:32,560
>> If you want to do the public hearing,

5007
03:40:32,560 --> 03:40:34,880
it's after So it's up to you.

5008
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:37,600
>> Go ahead and do the public hearing.

5009
03:40:37,600 --> 03:40:43,910
>> So we have our public hearing.

5010
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:47,279
» Public hearing is for our Jackson Street

5011
03:40:47,279 --> 03:40:50,319
storm drain project. Um, so we can

5012
03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:52,080
receive input from the public with

5013
03:40:52,080 --> 03:40:53,920
respect to the issuance of the series

5014
03:40:53,920 --> 03:40:57,200
2026 bonds and any potential economic

5015
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,520
impact of the series 2026 project to be

5016
03:40:59,520 --> 03:41:01,520
financed with the proceeds of the series

5017
03:41:01,520 --> 03:41:03,680
2026 bonds may have on the private

5018
03:41:03,680 --> 03:41:05,520
sector. And we have Marcus Keller here

5019
03:41:05,520 --> 03:41:08,720
with Associates again. You want to come

5020
03:41:08,720 --> 03:41:10,640
up and and speak to it?

5021
03:41:10,640 --> 03:41:11,200
>> Perfect.

5022
03:41:11,200 --> 03:41:12,880
>> Thanks, Commissioner. I'll be very

5023
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:14,319
quick. I don't think there's very many

5024
03:41:14,319 --> 03:41:16,880
people here to comment on it, but I do

5025
03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:18,720
want to congratulate the county. This is

5026
03:41:18,720 --> 03:41:21,600
actually a great project and most

5027
03:41:21,600 --> 03:41:23,920
importantly a very wellthoughtout and

5028
03:41:23,920 --> 03:41:26,080
financed project with grant money being

5029
03:41:26,080 --> 03:41:29,200
contributed from the state CIB uh that

5030
03:41:29,200 --> 03:41:31,520
uh Commissioner Winfield sits on as well

5031
03:41:31,520 --> 03:41:34,160
as lowinterest loans that are being used

5032
03:41:34,160 --> 03:41:38,479
from our transportation funds. So, it's a very affordable project and we

5033
03:41:38,479 --> 03:41:41,200
are currently working uh with the CIB

5034
03:41:41,200 --> 03:41:42,319
board and I believe Commissioner

5035
03:41:42,319 --> 03:41:44,399
McCannless or Commissioner Winfield's

5036
03:41:44,399 --> 03:41:46,800
kind of leading that charge to uh to try

5037
03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:49,120
to even get those authorizations

5038
03:41:49,120 --> 03:41:51,120
increased because the project cost went

5039
03:41:51,120 --> 03:41:52,479
down. We want to try to get some of

5040
03:41:52,479 --> 03:41:55,040
those monies moved around to to even

5041
03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:58,479
offset our cost even more. So, uh, so

5042
03:41:58,479 --> 03:42:00,000
with all that being said, happy to

5043
03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:02,160
answer any questions, but this is these

5044
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:04,239
are the type of financings where we're

5045
03:42:04,239 --> 03:42:06,319
very happy to see all the different, uh,

5046
03:42:06,319 --> 03:42:08,239
cheap money and free money come into it

5047
03:42:08,239 --> 03:42:09,920
to make this affordable project go

5048
03:42:09,920 --> 03:42:12,960
forward. So, thank you.

5049
03:42:12,960 --> 03:42:15,920
>> Okay. Anybody have any questions or

5050
03:42:15,920 --> 03:42:17,200
comments? Well, I guess it's public

5051
03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:18,720
hearing. We'll talk about that. We'll

5052
03:42:18,720 --> 03:42:21,359
have those options at our next meeting.

5053
03:42:21,359 --> 03:42:23,359
>> No, this is public hearing. Pardon me if

5054
03:42:23,359 --> 03:42:24,160
I want Marcus.

5055
03:42:24,160 --> 03:42:25,760
>> No, sorry. I should have closing this

5056
03:42:25,760 --> 03:42:26,160
public.

5057
03:42:26,160 --> 03:42:27,040
>> We're closing it.

5058
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:28,239
>> Yeah. And we're closing it.

5059
03:42:28,239 --> 03:42:30,160
>> Correct. Yeah. So, so per the bond

5060
03:42:30,160 --> 03:42:31,520
rules, we do have to have a public

5061
03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:33,040
hearing. So, this is just part of that

5062
03:42:33,040 --> 03:42:35,520
process. So, uh time for any public to

5063
03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:37,760
give any comments and then to move on to

5064
03:42:37,760 --> 03:42:40,560
the next items. So, pause here.

5065
03:42:40,560 --> 03:42:42,000
>> We don't need to vote. Okay.

5066
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:43,200
>> No, we don't have to vote.

5067
03:42:43,200 --> 03:42:43,760
>> Cool.

5068
03:42:43,760 --> 03:42:47,520
>> Okay. I already voted on voted on on the

5069
03:42:47,520 --> 03:42:49,680
bonding earlier. I believe

5070
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:50,800
>> if you want to call for anyone to be

5071
03:42:50,800 --> 03:42:52,319
honest. Does anyone from the audience

5072
03:42:52,319 --> 03:42:53,920
want to speak to the Jackson Street

5073
03:42:53,920 --> 03:42:59,349
Storm drain project?

5074
03:42:59,359 --> 03:43:00,720
» Correct, Marcus? We don't need to vote.

5075
03:43:00,720 --> 03:43:02,560
>> Yeah, unless there's anyone else online.

5076
03:43:02,560 --> 03:43:04,720
Doesn't look like it, but um as long as

5077
03:43:04,720 --> 03:43:07,279
there's no comments, you're free to to

5078
03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:09,120
move on to your next item.

5079
03:43:09,120 --> 03:43:11,200
>> Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming back.

5080
03:43:11,200 --> 03:43:11,920
>> Absolutely.

5081
03:43:11,920 --> 03:43:12,960
>> You travel safe.

5082
03:43:12,960 --> 03:43:14,160
>> Thank you. Appreciate

5083
03:43:14,160 --> 03:43:15,199
>> Thank you.

5084
03:43:15,199 --> 03:43:17,520
>> We We haven't been having a six o'clock

5085
03:43:17,520 --> 03:43:20,319
this year to five o'clock. I'm not sure

5086
03:43:20,319 --> 03:43:21,680
if you're standing up for that or you

5087
03:43:21,680 --> 03:43:23,359
just come to visit us

5088
03:43:23,359 --> 03:43:25,680
>> to one to make a comment and the other

5089
03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:29,760
to give a um phone drive to the guy

5090
03:43:29,760 --> 03:43:32,479
that's supposed to be working on the on

5091
03:43:32,479 --> 03:43:34,239
the cafe stuff.

5092
03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:36,239
>> Okay. I don't think Andrew is here

5093
03:43:36,239 --> 03:43:36,960
tonight.

5094
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:40,309
>> He's

5095
03:43:40,319 --> 03:43:43,040
here with

5096
03:43:43,040 --> 03:43:44,640
Yeah, Mark can take it. Yeah, I can do

5097
03:43:44,640 --> 03:43:45,040
that.

5098
03:43:45,040 --> 03:43:50,640
>> Well, you can um um Aaron, it's been

5099
03:43:50,640 --> 03:43:53,199
passed from designer to designer to

5100
03:43:53,199 --> 03:43:55,359
designer because nobody

5101
03:43:55,359 --> 03:43:56,960
>> and so I was supposed to be here

5102
03:43:56,960 --> 03:43:58,720
tonight. So,

5103
03:43:58,720 --> 03:44:01,600
>> I don't I gave Andrew all of my files

5104
03:44:01,600 --> 03:44:05,520
with all of the handouts and everything

5105
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:08,720
and he kind of compiled it,

5106
03:44:08,720 --> 03:44:12,720
gave it to Taylor all and and he doesn't

5107
03:44:12,720 --> 03:44:15,279
have time for it. So minutes with

5108
03:44:15,279 --> 03:44:16,640
>> All right. Well, Erin might show up. I

5109
03:44:16,640 --> 03:44:19,279
think he's here with of the bureau. So

5110
03:44:19,279 --> 03:44:22,080
we're I just wanted to let you know we

5111
03:44:22,080 --> 03:44:24,319
didn't have a we we moved our sisters to

5112
03:44:24,319 --> 03:44:26,160
be heard about five o'clock. We don't

5113
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:28,880
have a six o'clock one. I just want to

5114
03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:30,960
double check you. Okay. Okay. We're

5115
03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:32,160
going to move we're going to move along

5116
03:44:32,160 --> 03:44:34,479
to number 18, which is the paved path

5117
03:44:34,479 --> 03:44:36,800
maintenance project on Arches bike path

5118
03:44:36,800 --> 03:44:41,040
from 47. And that is got Cody on there.

5119
03:44:41,040 --> 03:44:41,520
bill.

5120
03:44:41,520 --> 03:44:43,040
>> This is the one that we were tableing.

5121
03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:45,040
>> We're going to table this. Okay.

5122
03:44:45,040 --> 03:44:46,479
>> This one is going to be moved to a

5123
03:44:46,479 --> 03:44:47,439
future

5124
03:44:47,439 --> 03:44:49,040
>> table or postal

5125
03:44:49,040 --> 03:44:50,720
>> table.

5126
03:44:50,720 --> 03:44:53,680
Comes back this meeting

5127
03:44:53,680 --> 03:44:54,239
next meeting.

5128
03:44:54,239 --> 03:44:55,760
>> Yeah. But you guys don't have to take

5129
03:44:55,760 --> 03:44:57,040
any motion. Just not do.

5130
03:44:57,040 --> 03:44:58,720
>> We're just going to move past it. We're

5131
03:44:58,720 --> 03:45:00,080
not going to discuss it tonight.

5132
03:45:00,080 --> 03:45:02,880
>> Okay. Um number 19 is the creation of a

5133
03:45:02,880 --> 03:45:04,239
subcommittee to update the list of

5134
03:45:04,239 --> 03:45:06,880
bylaws and rodeo resolutions. And this

5135
03:45:06,880 --> 03:45:09,600
came before us in agenda review to add

5136
03:45:09,600 --> 03:45:11,600
some people

5137
03:45:11,600 --> 03:45:14,800
>> to the OA um

5138
03:45:14,800 --> 03:45:18,560
advisory committee. And the OSA bylaws

5139
03:45:18,560 --> 03:45:20,399
are out of they're a little old. They're

5140
03:45:20,399 --> 03:45:23,040
15 years old. And so before we added

5141
03:45:23,040 --> 03:45:25,439
people to that board, I felt like it was

5142
03:45:25,439 --> 03:45:27,760
appropriate for some commissioners to

5143
03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:31,520
get together and look at those bylaws,

5144
03:45:31,520 --> 03:45:34,160
see what the county wanted from those

5145
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:36,319
bylaws. And then also we added in the

5146
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:38,399
rodeo resolution to that as well because

5147
03:45:38,399 --> 03:45:40,800
both of those are are outd outdated

5148
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:43,279
bylaws and resolution. And so with that

5149
03:45:43,279 --> 03:45:46,080
I I thought it would be a better path of

5150
03:45:46,080 --> 03:45:48,960
action to create a subcommittee versus

5151
03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:51,199
add those people. And then after we got

5152
03:45:51,199 --> 03:45:53,520
subcommittee we can look at adding uh

5153
03:45:53,520 --> 03:45:54,880
people to those board if that's

5154
03:45:54,880 --> 03:45:57,600
appropriate. So Mike,

5155
03:45:57,600 --> 03:45:59,120
>> I move to appoint commissioners

5156
03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:01,840
McCannless, Haden, and myself, Mike Mike

5157
03:46:01,840 --> 03:46:04,800
McCertie, the OT subcommittee. I'll

5158
03:46:04,800 --> 03:46:05,680
second that.

5159
03:46:05,680 --> 03:46:08,880
>> Okay, Mike. And then Bill, any other

5160
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:09,920
comments?

5161
03:46:09,920 --> 03:46:12,319
>> Uh

5162
03:46:12,319 --> 03:46:15,279
double check uh with Commissioner Haden

5163
03:46:15,279 --> 03:46:16,720
that that's okay to pick up another

5164
03:46:16,720 --> 03:46:19,040
committee because help out there.

5165
03:46:19,040 --> 03:46:20,560
>> Yes, sir. You bet.

5166
03:46:20,560 --> 03:46:22,160
>> Thank you.

5167
03:46:22,160 --> 03:46:25,920
>> Okay. All right. Those in favor

5168
03:46:25,920 --> 03:46:27,120
Hi.

5169
03:46:27,120 --> 03:46:30,000
>> All right, that passes 70. Thank you.

5170
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:32,560
>> We already have a meeting scheduled

5171
03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:35,359
almost. So, I think Trisha is gonna tell

5172
03:46:35,359 --> 03:46:37,040
us when we're going to meet uh and and I

5173
03:46:37,040 --> 03:46:38,399
think this needs to we need to do this

5174
03:46:38,399 --> 03:46:39,760
pretty quick. They're they are on a

5175
03:46:39,760 --> 03:46:43,040
quarter um every yeah quarterly meeting.

5176
03:46:43,040 --> 03:46:44,960
So, in three months they'll have another

5177
03:46:44,960 --> 03:46:46,720
meeting and I'd like to ask a resolution

5178
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:49,359
to this by then.

5179
03:46:49,359 --> 03:46:52,000
>> All right. Moving on to number 20 which

5180
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:54,000
is a consideration of resentment of

5181
03:46:54,000 --> 03:46:56,000
denial of bur oaks reszone made at the

5182
03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:58,239
July 21st commission meeting.

5183
03:46:58,239 --> 03:46:59,920
Commissioner Winfield and do you have

5184
03:46:59,920 --> 03:47:02,640
anything to change?

5185
03:47:02,640 --> 03:47:04,640
>> Sure I can just give some background. Um

5186
03:47:04,640 --> 03:47:06,479
so this is this is a less common

5187
03:47:06,479 --> 03:47:09,199
occurrence. However, um we provided to

5188
03:47:09,199 --> 03:47:11,120
the commission everybody should have got

5189
03:47:11,120 --> 03:47:13,920
additional information from um from

5190
03:47:13,920 --> 03:47:17,520
myself uh and walking through the

5191
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:19,680
analysis of this. When a commission

5192
03:47:19,680 --> 03:47:23,279
reconsiders a previous item and seeks to

5193
03:47:23,279 --> 03:47:24,880
resend it, there's a requirement to

5194
03:47:24,880 --> 03:47:28,720
either one provide notice or two, if you

5195
03:47:28,720 --> 03:47:30,640
want to override that decision, you need

5196
03:47:30,640 --> 03:47:32,720
a twothirds within the same meeting. If

5197
03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:34,880
it comes at a subsequent meeting, notice

5198
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:36,880
is required ahead of time. And if that

5199
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:38,319
notice is provided, then it's a simple

5200
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:40,399
majority to pass. Before the commission

5201
03:47:40,399 --> 03:47:43,120
today is a consideration of a of a

5202
03:47:43,120 --> 03:47:45,359
rescendment of the denial of the Buro's

5203
03:47:45,359 --> 03:47:47,760
reason made at the July 21st commission

5204
03:47:47,760 --> 03:47:51,040
meeting. If that vote passes, then the

5205
03:47:51,040 --> 03:47:52,880
commission will consider a new the

5206
03:47:52,880 --> 03:47:54,479
original application for the Baroque

5207
03:47:54,479 --> 03:47:56,960
subdivision as if the decision had never

5208
03:47:56,960 --> 03:47:59,120
been made. Please remember that we still

5209
03:47:59,120 --> 03:48:01,600
need findings like last time um that

5210
03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:04,239
establishes it within the breakdown and

5211
03:48:04,239 --> 03:48:06,160
has those findings made on the record in

5212
03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:08,479
the motion, seconded, and then voted on.

5213
03:48:08,479 --> 03:48:10,960
But first the commission considers the

5214
03:48:10,960 --> 03:48:13,120
resinment and then considers the second

5215
03:48:13,120 --> 03:48:16,720
element. Any questions

5216
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:17,520
>> question?

5217
03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:18,399
>> Yes commission.

5218
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:21,520
>> Being in the uh

5219
03:48:21,520 --> 03:48:23,120
majority minority doesn't matter from

5220
03:48:23,120 --> 03:48:25,600
the previous vote in the proposed

5221
03:48:25,600 --> 03:48:26,960
resend.

5222
03:48:26,960 --> 03:48:29,199
>> Correct. The original the the original

5223
03:48:29,199 --> 03:48:30,720
individual that voted for this item was

5224
03:48:30,720 --> 03:48:32,560
Commissioner Winfield.

5225
03:48:32,560 --> 03:48:33,040
>> Okay.

5226
03:48:33,040 --> 03:48:35,359
>> He voted in the majority. He has brought

5227
03:48:35,359 --> 03:48:37,199
the item back for the commission to

5228
03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:38,399
reconsider. Okay.

5229
03:48:38,399 --> 03:48:41,120
>> U normally it's it would likely be him

5230
03:48:41,120 --> 03:48:43,920
to make the motion, but it doesn't there

5231
03:48:43,920 --> 03:48:46,000
isn't a prohibition on that. The reason

5232
03:48:46,000 --> 03:48:47,920
why that exists is it's to avoid having

5233
03:48:47,920 --> 03:48:49,760
the commission re reconsider the same

5234
03:48:49,760 --> 03:48:51,920
item over and over again and brought by

5235
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:53,520
the person that didn't have the motion

5236
03:48:53,520 --> 03:48:54,479
that carried.

5237
03:48:54,479 --> 03:48:57,279
>> So if that makes sense that motion

5238
03:48:57,279 --> 03:48:59,600
whenever you're ready.

5239
03:48:59,600 --> 03:49:02,160
>> I'm good. Go ahead. I move to resend the

5240
03:49:02,160 --> 03:49:05,040
motion made and passed at the July 21st,

5241
03:49:05,040 --> 03:49:07,840
2026 Grand County Commission meeting

5242
03:49:07,840 --> 03:49:09,920
denying the Burnt Oaks resone

5243
03:49:09,920 --> 03:49:12,479
application.

5244
03:49:12,479 --> 03:49:14,160
>> We have a first and second. Trish, do

5245
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:16,880
you have a comment?

5246
03:49:16,880 --> 03:49:19,743
>> Um, yeah, I have a couple comments.

5247
03:49:19,743 --> 03:49:22,239
[clears throat] Um, so I I guess you

5248
03:49:22,239 --> 03:49:24,560
know this is fine. I appreciate Stephen

5249
03:49:24,560 --> 03:49:26,000
you reaching out to Bart and getting

5250
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:28,239
that memo. That really helps me. I mean,

5251
03:49:28,239 --> 03:49:32,560
I guess I'll just maybe ask andor um

5252
03:49:32,560 --> 03:49:36,399
convey that the usual process is

5253
03:49:36,399 --> 03:49:38,239
a commissioner can bring it back, but

5254
03:49:38,239 --> 03:49:40,720
the usual process is that the applicant

5255
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:42,640
would then reapply. And that doesn't

5256
03:49:42,640 --> 03:49:44,399
mean like Grant County could wave the

5257
03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:46,239
application fees. That's no big deal. We

5258
03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:47,359
discussed this in the planning

5259
03:49:47,359 --> 03:49:49,680
commission the last meeting. Randy Day

5260
03:49:49,680 --> 03:49:50,800
was great. He's like, "Oh yeah, I've

5261
03:49:50,800 --> 03:49:52,319
done it many times. They just reapply

5262
03:49:52,319 --> 03:49:54,479
and sometimes they wave the fees." Um,

5263
03:49:54,479 --> 03:49:57,040
so this is this is an odd way to go

5264
03:49:57,040 --> 03:49:58,800
about it and and that's a little

5265
03:49:58,800 --> 03:50:00,560
bothersome to me, but it is what it is.

5266
03:50:00,560 --> 03:50:03,040
I appreciate again that that

5267
03:50:03,040 --> 03:50:05,359
Stephen um went to BART and and we we

5268
03:50:05,359 --> 03:50:09,199
got that clarified. Um I I am going to

5269
03:50:09,199 --> 03:50:12,239
continue to vote against this just in

5270
03:50:12,239 --> 03:50:14,319
the sense like the original reason that

5271
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:16,560
we voted against this was concerns about

5272
03:50:16,560 --> 03:50:20,000
traffic in that area and then we we went

5273
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:22,319
ahead and approved $20,000 for a traffic

5274
03:50:22,319 --> 03:50:24,319
study. yet we're not waiting for the the

5275
03:50:24,319 --> 03:50:28,560
traffic study. So to me, logic would

5276
03:50:28,560 --> 03:50:30,319
mean that we're paying all this money

5277
03:50:30,319 --> 03:50:32,239
for a traffic study. We would wait for

5278
03:50:32,239 --> 03:50:35,279
the traffic study to see how this even

5279
03:50:35,279 --> 03:50:37,439
though it's a very minor, it's again,

5280
03:50:37,439 --> 03:50:39,279
it's a reason. And I'm not a big fan of

5281
03:50:39,279 --> 03:50:40,640
rezones. I've told you that a million

5282
03:50:40,640 --> 03:50:42,640
times. But we would wait for that

5283
03:50:42,640 --> 03:50:44,960
traffic study to then make that this

5284
03:50:44,960 --> 03:50:48,399
decision. That seems logical to me. So,

5285
03:50:48,399 --> 03:50:50,960
I'm not going to be voting for it

5286
03:50:50,960 --> 03:50:58,229
because I think it's illogical.

5287
03:50:58,239 --> 03:51:01,040
» Double check. Uh, thank you for reaching

5288
03:51:01,040 --> 03:51:02,880
out to Bart. I know he's our he's our

5289
03:51:02,880 --> 03:51:07,439
guy, but uh in this uh no questions of

5290
03:51:07,439 --> 03:51:08,960
legality, right?

5291
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:10,960
>> Again, we've we've gone through I I do

5292
03:51:10,960 --> 03:51:14,239
know this is it is harder to do this in

5293
03:51:14,239 --> 03:51:16,080
this process. I know it's tough to make

5294
03:51:16,080 --> 03:51:18,720
the decision um on the fly in the

5295
03:51:18,720 --> 03:51:24,080
meeting um and there's no perfect way of bringing it back. Uh originally and

5296
03:51:24,080 --> 03:51:28,479
when I looked at this item originally my gut response was that it would have

5297
03:51:28,479 --> 03:51:30,880
to be reapplied and then I talked with

5298
03:51:30,880 --> 03:51:32,720
uh Bart about it. It's just kind of a

5299
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:35,920
new way a unique way of doing this. Um I

5300
03:51:35,920 --> 03:51:40,319
think it's easier if um well that's it.

5301
03:51:40,319 --> 03:51:41,680
Thanks.

5302
03:51:41,680 --> 03:51:44,080
Uh in additional with this you can see

5303
03:51:44,080 --> 03:51:46,160
constituent comments

5304
03:51:46,160 --> 03:51:49,600
>> uh will they be applied to the

5305
03:51:49,600 --> 03:51:51,279
>> so the additional comments that the

5306
03:51:51,279 --> 03:51:53,680
commission received came in after the

5307
03:51:53,680 --> 03:51:56,080
public hearing period was closed and so

5308
03:51:56,080 --> 03:51:58,080
they were provided in the packet but

5309
03:51:58,080 --> 03:52:00,319
because of the not we didn't go all the

5310
03:52:00,319 --> 03:52:01,840
way back and reopen all the public

5311
03:52:01,840 --> 03:52:04,000
comment and redo all of that I didn't

5312
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:05,520
want to add in

5313
03:52:05,520 --> 03:52:07,199
>> one public comment and then potentially

5314
03:52:07,199 --> 03:52:08,560
have somebody else say well I didn't get

5315
03:52:08,560 --> 03:52:10,399
to do public comment on that so it's not

5316
03:52:10,399 --> 03:52:12,080
included the packet's not attached to

5317
03:52:12,080 --> 03:52:14,239
it. It may change. I mean, in the real

5318
03:52:14,239 --> 03:52:16,160
world that you folks are in, you may

5319
03:52:16,160 --> 03:52:18,560
know additional information, but it's

5320
03:52:18,560 --> 03:52:21,359
your decision to make it vote on as it

5321
03:52:21,359 --> 03:52:22,880
on the information that you see. But

5322
03:52:22,880 --> 03:52:24,319
again, we need facts and that. But

5323
03:52:24,319 --> 03:52:25,359
first, the resentment.

5324
03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:28,000
>> Thank you.

5325
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:33,040
>> Okay. Any other discussion, comments?

5326
03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:34,479
>> Go ahead and call for a vote. We have

5327
03:52:34,479 --> 03:52:37,439
first and second. Those Oh, wait. So we

5328
03:52:37,439 --> 03:52:39,520
are resending it or we're just voting on

5329
03:52:39,520 --> 03:52:41,120
we're voting on resending first.

5330
03:52:41,120 --> 03:52:42,640
Correct. Okay. And then we'll and then

5331
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:43,520
we'll process it.

5332
03:52:43,520 --> 03:52:45,600
>> Then then technically it would probably

5333
03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:47,840
be best practice. Well, best practice

5334
03:52:47,840 --> 03:52:51,439
would be to have somebody read the

5335
03:52:51,439 --> 03:52:53,840
summary of the item because somebody may

5336
03:52:53,840 --> 03:52:55,120
look at this meeting and have no idea

5337
03:52:55,120 --> 03:52:57,040
what heroes is. And so that's why

5338
03:52:57,040 --> 03:52:59,279
normally we would have either commin or

5339
03:52:59,279 --> 03:53:01,040
the planning director present this item

5340
03:53:01,040 --> 03:53:03,520
a new because nobody that go anybody

5341
03:53:03,520 --> 03:53:04,960
that goes to this item has no idea of

5342
03:53:04,960 --> 03:53:05,520
the past.

5343
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:07,040
>> Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and

5344
03:53:07,040 --> 03:53:08,399
call for a vote for the resendment of

5345
03:53:08,399 --> 03:53:12,239
the defense. So, those in favor

5346
03:53:12,239 --> 03:53:15,040
I

5347
03:53:15,040 --> 03:53:18,950
>> and those opposed.

5348
03:53:18,960 --> 03:53:21,120
» Okay. So, that passes with 43 with

5349
03:53:21,120 --> 03:53:23,439
Commissioner Hini. Commissioner Heather

5350
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:25,279
again. Sorry, what you ask? He did have

5351
03:53:25,279 --> 03:53:26,000
a

5352
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:29,600
>> I just got a little confused there. So,

5353
03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:32,560
>> and I'm prepared to read that summary

5354
03:53:32,560 --> 03:53:34,399
that Stephen mentioned if you'd like.

5355
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:35,920
And we're talking the plain English

5356
03:53:35,920 --> 03:53:38,239
summary that's in there. Yes, honey.

5357
03:53:38,239 --> 03:53:39,920
>> Okay.

5358
03:53:39,920 --> 03:53:42,319
>> This proposal would reszone a vacant

5359
03:53:42,319 --> 03:53:44,239
5.02

5360
03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:47,439
acre parcel at 4500 South Zimmerman Lane

5361
03:53:47,439 --> 03:53:49,840
just south of the Blue Vista subdivision

5362
03:53:49,840 --> 03:53:52,319
from rural residential

5363
03:53:52,319 --> 03:53:56,800
RR to large lot residential LLR. The

5364
03:53:56,800 --> 03:53:59,359
change would allow about eight halfacre

5365
03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:01,600
single family lots. The Spanish Valley

5366
03:54:01,600 --> 03:54:04,560
Future Land Use Plan Map

5367
03:54:04,560 --> 03:54:07,680
plan maps this area as a moderate scale

5368
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:09,920
neighborhood which allows somewhat more

5369
03:54:09,920 --> 03:54:12,960
housing than is proposed. The planning

5370
03:54:12,960 --> 03:54:14,880
commission held a public hearing on June

5371
03:54:14,880 --> 03:54:18,720
8, 2026 and voted 70

5372
03:54:18,720 --> 03:54:20,560
to recommend that the county commission

5373
03:54:20,560 --> 03:54:22,960
approved the reszone. staff recommends

5374
03:54:22,960 --> 03:54:25,520
the county commission take public

5375
03:54:25,520 --> 03:54:27,920
comment, review the request against the

5376
03:54:27,920 --> 03:54:30,880
land use code criteria and adopt the

5377
03:54:30,880 --> 03:54:33,600
ordinance.

5378
03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:37,680
>> Okay. And I think Andrew is online, our

5379
03:54:37,680 --> 03:54:40,080
>> planning and zoning director if he wants

5380
03:54:40,080 --> 03:54:42,960
to make some comments as well.

5381
03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:45,359
>> Yeah, I think it was it was covered by

5382
03:54:45,359 --> 03:54:47,520
what uh Commissioner Winfield had

5383
03:54:47,520 --> 03:54:50,399
stated. Again, this is just the zone

5384
03:54:50,399 --> 03:54:52,880
change. It's not the subdivision. So,

5385
03:54:52,880 --> 03:54:54,640
it's just looking at doing the zone

5386
03:54:54,640 --> 03:54:57,520
change from large lot residential, one

5387
03:54:57,520 --> 03:54:59,920
unit per acre, excuse me, rural

5388
03:54:59,920 --> 03:55:02,160
residential, one unit per acre to large

5389
03:55:02,160 --> 03:55:04,319
lot residential, which is two units per

5390
03:55:04,319 --> 03:55:06,800
acre, where the general plan for that

5391
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:09,520
area has uh between four and six units

5392
03:55:09,520 --> 03:55:12,640
per acre. And I'm happy to answer any

5393
03:55:12,640 --> 03:55:17,110
questions on the zone change.

5394
03:55:17,120 --> 03:55:18,640
Mike,

5395
03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:18,880
uh,

5396
03:55:18,880 --> 03:55:21,040
>> not a question, just a statement.

5397
03:55:21,040 --> 03:55:24,239
uh with within this we just attended a

5398
03:55:24,239 --> 03:55:27,600
uh a housing meeting at uh the mark that

5399
03:55:27,600 --> 03:55:30,880
said very specifically uh in within

5400
03:55:30,880 --> 03:55:32,720
about 40 people in attendance,

5401
03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:35,359
Commissioner Martinez, myself uh several

5402
03:55:35,359 --> 03:55:39,120
city etc. It was pointed out that we are

5403
03:55:39,120 --> 03:55:42,000
definitely missing uh single family

5404
03:55:42,000 --> 03:55:43,920
homes and single family development in

5405
03:55:43,920 --> 03:55:46,880
our current housing path. And this is

5406
03:55:46,880 --> 03:55:49,760
welcome in the general consensus of both

5407
03:55:49,760 --> 03:55:51,920
the city and

5408
03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:55,040
uh planners alike. Uh that this is where

5409
03:55:55,040 --> 03:55:56,640
we've been missing and this is where we

5410
03:55:56,640 --> 03:56:01,110
need to go.

5411
03:56:01,120 --> 03:56:03,680
» Dean,

5412
03:56:03,680 --> 03:56:05,120
did you call on me, Mel?

5413
03:56:05,120 --> 03:56:09,768
>> Yeah. Yep, I did. Sorry.

5414
03:56:09,778 --> 03:56:12,389
[laughter]

5415
03:56:12,399 --> 03:56:16,399
» Sorry. I just I have a lot to say. Um so

5416
03:56:16,399 --> 03:56:17,920
just a couple I'm going to kind of

5417
03:56:17,920 --> 03:56:23,920
quickly um talk directly to you, Mike. I agree. I I think we are, you know,

5418
03:56:23,920 --> 03:56:27,279
missing a a niche within our our housing

5419
03:56:27,279 --> 03:56:30,560
um inventory, but you know, one again,

5420
03:56:30,560 --> 03:56:32,080
we I don't think we've actually

5421
03:56:32,080 --> 03:56:34,479
completed a a really extensive housing

5422
03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:36,880
plan to understand that niche and what

5423
03:56:36,880 --> 03:56:38,880
we need. And the other thing is when

5424
03:56:38,880 --> 03:56:41,040
we're giving away this density, what are

5425
03:56:41,040 --> 03:56:43,600
we getting in return? Nothing, right?

5426
03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:46,479
And so, how do we ensure that in the

5427
03:56:46,479 --> 03:56:48,479
future if we're giving away density, we

5428
03:56:48,479 --> 03:56:51,199
get something in return? And that that's

5429
03:56:51,199 --> 03:56:53,920
there's the rub, right? So like we are

5430
03:56:53,920 --> 03:56:56,000
giving something to them. This is not a

5431
03:56:56,000 --> 03:56:58,640
use by right. This is a person asking

5432
03:56:58,640 --> 03:57:02,000
for doubling their ability to build. And

5433
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:03,840
so maybe we should ask for something in

5434
03:57:03,840 --> 03:57:06,080
return. Just thoughts for the future.

5435
03:57:06,080 --> 03:57:08,160
The other thing is is that yes, our

5436
03:57:08,160 --> 03:57:10,479
general plan, our future land use map

5437
03:57:10,479 --> 03:57:13,439
has these very vague ideas about where

5438
03:57:13,439 --> 03:57:15,600
density should lie, but we still not do

5439
03:57:15,600 --> 03:57:18,160
not have an updated zoning map. And what

5440
03:57:18,160 --> 03:57:20,640
I've what I envision and these are just

5441
03:57:20,640 --> 03:57:23,520
thoughts is when we get to that process

5442
03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:27,920
that it is a very very intensive citizen

5443
03:57:27,920 --> 03:57:31,199
engaged process where we maybe use

5444
03:57:31,199 --> 03:57:33,199
little neighborhoods whatever that might

5445
03:57:33,199 --> 03:57:35,680
be. We send out postcards. We try to get

5446
03:57:35,680 --> 03:57:37,279
people involved in like what do you want

5447
03:57:37,279 --> 03:57:39,760
to see in your neighborhood when we

5448
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:41,600
finally produce that zoning map? Because

5449
03:57:41,600 --> 03:57:43,520
what we have a future land use map is

5450
03:57:43,520 --> 03:57:46,800
blobs. It is not I said 90° angles. when

5451
03:57:46,800 --> 03:57:48,399
you get into 90° angles, you're talking

5452
03:57:48,399 --> 03:57:52,239
about a zoning map. Um, and then lastly,

5453
03:57:52,239 --> 03:57:54,479
you well, two more things. One, I I hope

5454
03:57:54,479 --> 03:57:55,760
people understand this idea of

5455
03:57:55,760 --> 03:57:57,680
reszoning, and that does not reflect

5456
03:57:57,680 --> 03:57:59,680
here with the developer, but you know,

5457
03:57:59,680 --> 03:58:01,439
when we're reszoning, whatever the

5458
03:58:01,439 --> 03:58:03,520
developer is telling us isn't

5459
03:58:03,520 --> 03:58:05,600
necessarily what we'll see on the ground

5460
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:07,600
years down the line, 20 years, 30 years,

5461
03:58:07,600 --> 03:58:09,359
40 years down the line, as we've seen

5462
03:58:09,359 --> 03:58:12,880
with Cane Creek. And then lastly, we we

5463
03:58:12,880 --> 03:58:15,279
do need to have just a respect for

5464
03:58:15,279 --> 03:58:17,439
existing neighborhoods. The reality is

5465
03:58:17,439 --> 03:58:19,920
people move into these neighborhoods

5466
03:58:19,920 --> 03:58:23,199
because they want a specific

5467
03:58:23,199 --> 03:58:26,000
density. I live in rural residential and

5468
03:58:26,000 --> 03:58:28,479
I have for the last 20 years because I

5469
03:58:28,479 --> 03:58:30,000
want to live in rural residential and I

5470
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:31,680
want to have hound dogs and I want to

5471
03:58:31,680 --> 03:58:34,640
have chickens and pigs and horses and I

5472
03:58:34,640 --> 03:58:35,840
don't want to have people complain about

5473
03:58:35,840 --> 03:58:38,640
it. And when the areas around me are

5474
03:58:38,640 --> 03:58:40,399
just getting gobbled up and reszoned and

5475
03:58:40,399 --> 03:58:42,399
then people start complaining about the

5476
03:58:42,399 --> 03:58:44,880
chicks, chickens and pigs and dogs and

5477
03:58:44,880 --> 03:58:47,359
horses, I got a problem with that. And

5478
03:58:47,359 --> 03:58:49,359
all of my neighbors that I talk to and I

5479
03:58:49,359 --> 03:58:52,160
staunchly defend rural residential. You

5480
03:58:52,160 --> 03:58:54,239
know, they feel the same way. Like

5481
03:58:54,239 --> 03:58:56,000
they're here and that's what they want

5482
03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:58,880
to have. So that's the last I'll kind of

5483
03:58:58,880 --> 03:59:00,560
keep beating that same drum. I'll keep

5484
03:59:00,560 --> 03:59:03,040
losing. I'm okay with that, but I want

5485
03:59:03,040 --> 03:59:05,520
to keep beating that drum.

5486
03:59:05,520 --> 03:59:07,520
Okay, Bill had his hand had it.

5487
03:59:07,520 --> 03:59:11,120
>> So, just a standard motion to approve

5488
03:59:11,120 --> 03:59:13,040
this or is there verbiage somewhere?

5489
03:59:13,040 --> 03:59:14,800
Because I'm not seeing it.

5490
03:59:14,800 --> 03:59:17,040
>> Let me find it.

5491
03:59:17,040 --> 03:59:19,600
>> It should be It should be in the

5492
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:21,920
document. Let me pull it up. Is that

5493
03:59:21,920 --> 03:59:24,720
same a A through K language that lays

5494
03:59:24,720 --> 03:59:27,199
out all the different statutory or

5495
03:59:27,199 --> 03:59:30,640
language in our code that lays out.

5496
03:59:30,640 --> 03:59:32,800
>> Well, okay. So, we need to read that A

5497
03:59:32,800 --> 03:59:35,279
through K. Well, you pick out you make

5498
03:59:35,279 --> 03:59:37,199
findings based on whatever your

5499
03:59:37,199 --> 03:59:39,680
consideration of it is or the approval

5500
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:43,120
or the denial of it. And so, let me see

5501
03:59:43,120 --> 03:59:44,319
if I can pull up.

5502
03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:46,239
>> I'm gonna let Brian Brian, did you have

5503
03:59:46,239 --> 03:59:49,199
your hand up? No.

5504
03:59:49,199 --> 03:59:51,199
>> You have your hand up again or no?

5505
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:53,040
>> I did. I did, but I was I was just going

5506
03:59:53,040 --> 03:59:55,040
to wait for a motion to be made.

5507
03:59:55,040 --> 03:59:56,960
>> Okay. Do you want to wait for a motion

5508
03:59:56,960 --> 03:59:58,319
while they look for it or do you want to

5509
03:59:58,319 --> 03:59:59,840
comment? It's

5510
03:59:59,840 --> 04:00:02,800
>> if I could just point out in the um

5511
04:00:02,800 --> 04:00:04,960
larger staff report that was done before

5512
04:00:04,960 --> 04:00:06,960
just before you get to the maps the

5513
04:00:06,960 --> 04:00:09,840
exhibits um just there has a public

5514
04:00:09,840 --> 04:00:12,080
notice and then just before that has a

5515
04:00:12,080 --> 04:00:20,389
proposed county commission um motion.

5516
04:00:20,399 --> 04:00:23,199
» It's on the page four, the first

5517
04:00:23,199 --> 04:00:24,880
paragraph on the page that has the map

5518
04:00:24,880 --> 04:00:26,239
with the red circle.

5519
04:00:26,239 --> 04:00:28,080
>> Okay. You would read that motion and

5520
04:00:28,080 --> 04:00:30,960
then you would need to go up for two,

5521
04:00:30,960 --> 04:00:33,680
age two and three and it has a list

5522
04:00:33,680 --> 04:00:36,800
that's a through k and it lays out

5523
04:00:36,800 --> 04:00:39,359
different elements that um you could

5524
04:00:39,359 --> 04:00:41,120
consider making the findings of any of

5525
04:00:41,120 --> 04:00:42,080
the following.

5526
04:00:42,080 --> 04:00:44,399
>> Okay. So I'll read the motion first and

5527
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:46,319
then following findings.

5528
04:00:46,319 --> 04:00:48,239
>> All right. After reviewing the staff

5529
04:00:48,239 --> 04:00:50,880
report, the applicant statement, public

5530
04:00:50,880 --> 04:00:53,040
comments, the recommendation for the

5531
04:00:53,040 --> 04:00:55,600
planning commission,

5532
04:00:55,600 --> 04:00:57,279
recommendation of the planning

5533
04:00:57,279 --> 04:00:59,120
commission, the Spanish valley future

5534
04:00:59,120 --> 04:01:01,920
land use plan, and the rules in land use

5535
04:01:01,920 --> 04:01:05,199
code section 9.2.5 2.5

5536
04:01:05,199 --> 04:01:07,600
and finding that the reszone from rural

5537
04:01:07,600 --> 04:01:11,199
residential RR to large lot residential

5538
04:01:11,199 --> 04:01:14,560
LLR fits the general plan and future

5539
04:01:14,560 --> 04:01:17,680
land use plan and meets the resoning

5540
04:01:17,680 --> 04:01:20,160
rules. I move to adopt the ordinance

5541
04:01:20,160 --> 04:01:22,800
amending the Grand County zoning map for

5542
04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:29,670
parcel number 02-000035-000033

5543
04:01:29,680 --> 04:01:33,439
from rural residential RR to large lot

5544
04:01:33,439 --> 04:01:35,920
residential LLR

5545
04:01:35,920 --> 04:01:38,080
following findings with the following

5546
04:01:38,080 --> 04:01:41,110
findings

5547
04:01:41,120 --> 04:01:45,750
and so

5548
04:01:45,760 --> 04:01:48,640
and the findings would be here in A

5549
04:01:48,640 --> 04:01:50,239
through

5550
04:01:50,239 --> 04:01:51,199
wherever it ends

5551
04:01:51,199 --> 04:01:53,600
>> A through K and some of them may cut in

5552
04:01:53,600 --> 04:01:54,960
favor of the applicant and some of them

5553
04:01:54,960 --> 04:01:56,560
may cut against the applicant.

5554
04:01:56,560 --> 04:01:59,199
>> Right. So B has the areas character

5555
04:01:59,199 --> 04:02:00,960
changed would be one of them. Yes it

5556
04:02:00,960 --> 04:02:03,120
has. Blue Vista subdivision is an

5557
04:02:03,120 --> 04:02:06,160
addition and a change from the large lot

5558
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:07,840
or for excuse me from the rural

5559
04:02:07,840 --> 04:02:10,239
residential that has been in that area

5560
04:02:10,239 --> 04:02:13,359
would be a one of them.

5561
04:02:13,359 --> 04:02:16,080
Is there a need for new use? Yeah,

5562
04:02:16,080 --> 04:02:19,359
definitely. As we've just heard from the

5563
04:02:19,359 --> 04:02:21,279
commissioner

5564
04:02:21,279 --> 04:02:23,680
McCertie and I believe commissioner had

5565
04:02:23,680 --> 04:02:26,880
made comments about the meeting.

5566
04:02:26,880 --> 04:02:29,199
Will the community benefit? Yes. Our

5567
04:02:29,199 --> 04:02:31,040
workforce housing especially will

5568
04:02:31,040 --> 04:02:34,319
benefit here. Does it match the general

5569
04:02:34,319 --> 04:02:35,920
plan?

5570
04:02:35,920 --> 04:02:38,319
It the request fits the moderate scale

5571
04:02:38,319 --> 04:02:44,070
neighborhood label.

5572
04:02:44,080 --> 04:02:46,560
Is the density and intensity right? The

5573
04:02:46,560 --> 04:02:49,920
LLR zone allows the proposed density.

5574
04:02:49,920 --> 04:02:53,279
Staff notice that about 1.6 homes per

5575
04:02:53,279 --> 04:02:56,720
gross acre as at is at the low end of

5576
04:02:56,720 --> 04:02:58,640
and maybe below the four to six homes

5577
04:02:58,640 --> 04:03:03,910
per acre the plans label allows.

5578
04:03:03,920 --> 04:03:08,469
» Okay. Second [clears throat]

5579
04:03:08,479 --> 04:03:10,319
last time,

5580
04:03:10,319 --> 04:03:12,560
>> right? Any other discussion? I know I

5581
04:03:12,560 --> 04:03:13,920
commented on this when it first came

5582
04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:17,760
before us. I am 100% in um experience

5583
04:03:17,760 --> 04:03:21,120
with this density. It's it's out there.

5584
04:03:21,120 --> 04:03:23,439
Moving from one home per acre to two per

5585
04:03:23,439 --> 04:03:25,760
acre I think is appropriate use of that

5586
04:03:25,760 --> 04:03:28,080
land. I actually in favor of about four

5587
04:03:28,080 --> 04:03:29,760
per acre out there. I think that would

5588
04:03:29,760 --> 04:03:32,640
be still leave it really rural but also

5589
04:03:32,640 --> 04:03:36,080
um you know give everybody space but add

5590
04:03:36,080 --> 04:03:37,840
some density because that's that missing

5591
04:03:37,840 --> 04:03:39,920
middle. We can't have affordable homes

5592
04:03:39,920 --> 04:03:42,720
if they're on one acre lots. So homes on

5593
04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:44,800
one acre lots are for millionaires.

5594
04:03:44,800 --> 04:03:46,319
Homes on smaller than that are for

5595
04:03:46,319 --> 04:03:47,680
people that can afford them in our

5596
04:03:47,680 --> 04:03:49,920
community. And I also, you know, when

5597
04:03:49,920 --> 04:03:53,199
you talk about in town, I live in town

5598
04:03:53,199 --> 04:03:55,520
residential, but our neighborhoods are

5599
04:03:55,520 --> 04:03:57,120
being taken up by people that only want

5600
04:03:57,120 --> 04:03:59,680
to have second and third homes. And so I

5601
04:03:59,680 --> 04:04:00,880
don't have neighborhoods where kids are

5602
04:04:00,880 --> 04:04:02,479
riding their bikes or people are playing

5603
04:04:02,479 --> 04:04:04,720
in the streets. I just have second empty

5604
04:04:04,720 --> 04:04:07,359
homes in my neighborhood in town. And I

5605
04:04:07,359 --> 04:04:09,199
think that, you know, those homes as you

5606
04:04:09,199 --> 04:04:10,640
grow out in the valley, those are

5607
04:04:10,640 --> 04:04:12,560
appropriate, more appropriate for the

5608
04:04:12,560 --> 04:04:14,000
second, third homes that are only going

5609
04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:16,000
to be there for a little while to live

5610
04:04:16,000 --> 04:04:17,840
in those homes in the valley. And that

5611
04:04:17,840 --> 04:04:19,680
will even keep that, you know, a little

5612
04:04:19,680 --> 04:04:22,479
bit less traffic out in the valley. But

5613
04:04:22,479 --> 04:04:24,880
I'm I'm for this plan. I was I was for

5614
04:04:24,880 --> 04:04:27,199
this before. I'm also for other

5615
04:04:27,199 --> 04:04:28,880
development out there. And I I just want

5616
04:04:28,880 --> 04:04:30,399
to state that that's how I feel about

5617
04:04:30,399 --> 04:04:33,760
this land. So I going to go ahead and

5618
04:04:33,760 --> 04:04:36,640
let Mike talk. Oh, wait. ly got who

5619
04:04:36,640 --> 04:04:38,160
hasn't talked yet? I hadn't talked yet.

5620
04:04:38,160 --> 04:04:39,279
>> Brian hasn't [laughter] talked yet. I'm

5621
04:04:39,279 --> 04:04:41,600
on Brian have to stand up for a

5622
04:04:41,600 --> 04:04:44,399
>> All right, Brian, go ahead.

5623
04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:47,120
>> Thank you, Chair. Yeah, the um you know,

5624
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:48,479
I'm glad that we had the chance to

5625
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:50,560
revote on this. Um you know, I support

5626
04:04:50,560 --> 04:04:52,800
housing. I was at that meeting with Mike

5627
04:04:52,800 --> 04:04:54,800
and it was it was great to see the panel

5628
04:04:54,800 --> 04:04:58,319
discussion um you know uh political um

5629
04:04:58,319 --> 04:05:01,359
political uh leanings all over the place

5630
04:05:01,359 --> 04:05:03,199
and everybody agreed on this same

5631
04:05:03,199 --> 04:05:04,880
principle that we still need more

5632
04:05:04,880 --> 04:05:06,399
housing and that we need to keep going

5633
04:05:06,399 --> 04:05:09,359
on what we're doing. Um so you know it

5634
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:11,760
fits the character of that neighborhood.

5635
04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:13,840
Um, and then mostly I think it's it's

5636
04:05:13,840 --> 04:05:15,359
you know this is was the recommendation

5637
04:05:15,359 --> 04:05:17,199
of our planning and zoning uh uh

5638
04:05:17,199 --> 04:05:18,880
commission and I think that it's

5639
04:05:18,880 --> 04:05:21,279
important that we respect and listen to

5640
04:05:21,279 --> 04:05:23,040
what our planning and zoning commission

5641
04:05:23,040 --> 04:05:26,399
does recommend. Thank you.

5642
04:05:26,399 --> 04:05:28,399
>> Okay. Mike,

5643
04:05:28,399 --> 04:05:30,080
did you want to talk? Sure. You said you

5644
04:05:30,080 --> 04:05:31,359
haven't yet.

5645
04:05:31,359 --> 04:05:34,000
>> Um, yeah. Hey, I didn't vote for it last

5646
04:05:34,000 --> 04:05:35,040
time. I think there were some serious

5647
04:05:35,040 --> 04:05:38,800
safety concerns uh with the traffic in

5648
04:05:38,800 --> 04:05:41,439
the area. Bill brought those up. We did

5649
04:05:41,439 --> 04:05:44,080
just drop $20,000 to do a study that we

5650
04:05:44,080 --> 04:05:46,560
haven't seen the results of. And until

5651
04:05:46,560 --> 04:05:49,359
we see the results of that study, I'm

5652
04:05:49,359 --> 04:05:52,960
not prepared to vote in favor of this.

5653
04:05:52,960 --> 04:05:54,560
>> Mike,

5654
04:05:54,560 --> 04:06:01,680
>> uh, put a little few numbers to what you said. Uh, 1acre lots are uh, at

5655
04:06:01,680 --> 04:06:03,840
a premium right now. I do believe

5656
04:06:03,840 --> 04:06:05,840
sitting right on Spanish Drive with a

5657
04:06:05,840 --> 04:06:09,840
1acre lot about 280,000 per lot alone.

5658
04:06:09,840 --> 04:06:12,800
So, this really helps our current

5659
04:06:12,800 --> 04:06:15,760
housing and uh the direction the value

5660
04:06:15,760 --> 04:06:18,479
uh I would hope would go.

5661
04:06:18,479 --> 04:06:20,880
>> Oh, did you have another comment?

5662
04:06:20,880 --> 04:06:24,160
>> Sure. Um I there's just a couple of

5663
04:06:24,160 --> 04:06:26,319
points. One, the subdivision is not

5664
04:06:26,319 --> 04:06:28,160
being approved. This is just approving

5665
04:06:28,160 --> 04:06:31,600
the reszone and the traffic study which

5666
04:06:31,600 --> 04:06:35,680
is being done will result in possibly

5667
04:06:35,680 --> 04:06:37,920
some changes or some requirements when

5668
04:06:37,920 --> 04:06:41,359
the subdivision does take place. So I I

5669
04:06:41,359 --> 04:06:43,359
think this is the appropriate time to

5670
04:06:43,359 --> 04:06:46,479
move this forward and there were

5671
04:06:46,479 --> 04:06:49,359
um recommendations made to have public

5672
04:06:49,359 --> 04:06:52,479
meetings and I recall when that map was

5673
04:06:52,479 --> 04:06:54,880
put together that we had many public

5674
04:06:54,880 --> 04:06:57,199
meetings. I attended as many of them as

5675
04:06:57,199 --> 04:06:59,920
I could and I know that there was a lot

5676
04:06:59,920 --> 04:07:01,840
of comment that went into this and I

5677
04:07:01,840 --> 04:07:05,199
believe it was our planning

5678
04:07:05,199 --> 04:07:08,560
and zoning administrator Elisea Martin

5679
04:07:08,560 --> 04:07:11,120
or Elise Martin I think I'm butchering

5680
04:07:11,120 --> 04:07:13,680
her name fairly well there but um that

5681
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:15,840
held those meetings at Jenna Gourney

5682
04:07:15,840 --> 04:07:19,359
also all over and had a ton of community

5683
04:07:19,359 --> 04:07:22,800
input at those meetings and and I agree

5684
04:07:22,800 --> 04:07:24,960
that safety was an issue and it's the

5685
04:07:24,960 --> 04:07:27,520
reason that I cautioned and asked that

5686
04:07:27,520 --> 04:07:31,199
we do a traffic study out there and I do

5687
04:07:31,199 --> 04:07:32,960
feel that in the future we're going to

5688
04:07:32,960 --> 04:07:34,960
have to spread the costs of that traffic

5689
04:07:34,960 --> 04:07:37,199
study out on future development in that

5690
04:07:37,199 --> 04:07:40,720
area but the the need was immediate to

5691
04:07:40,720 --> 04:07:43,279
address those safety concerns and I like

5692
04:07:43,279 --> 04:07:44,800
that we've done that and I'm

5693
04:07:44,800 --> 04:07:46,640
appreciative that the commission voted

5694
04:07:46,640 --> 04:07:49,600
to do that. So,

5695
04:07:49,600 --> 04:07:52,160
>> okay, Trish.

5696
04:07:52,160 --> 04:07:57,359
Um, I wasn't going to say anymore, but I want to state that, you know, saying

5697
04:07:57,359 --> 04:07:59,279
that all people that live on one acre

5698
04:07:59,279 --> 04:08:01,199
are millionaires. I'm not a millionaire,

5699
04:08:01,199 --> 04:08:03,920
Mel. Far from a millionaire. The reality

5700
04:08:03,920 --> 04:08:06,000
is I've just lived out there a very long

5701
04:08:06,000 --> 04:08:09,760
time, as have many, many, many of my

5702
04:08:09,760 --> 04:08:11,840
neighbors. And the reason they moved out

5703
04:08:11,840 --> 04:08:15,359
there when it was called poverty flats,

5704
04:08:15,359 --> 04:08:17,920
um, you know, that's what it was called

5705
04:08:17,920 --> 04:08:20,560
is because people wanted that rural

5706
04:08:20,560 --> 04:08:22,880
character. And so they're not

5707
04:08:22,880 --> 04:08:25,439
millionaires. They may be land rich, but

5708
04:08:25,439 --> 04:08:28,560
they're poor or and and I would say I'm

5709
04:08:28,560 --> 04:08:30,160
in the same way. I'm scratching every

5710
04:08:30,160 --> 04:08:33,439
day to pay my bills. So, yes, I

5711
04:08:33,439 --> 04:08:36,000
understand that a million an acre today

5712
04:08:36,000 --> 04:08:38,239
is worth a lot of money, but that does

5713
04:08:38,239 --> 04:08:40,319
not take into account all of the people

5714
04:08:40,319 --> 04:08:42,560
that moved out there and want to be out

5715
04:08:42,560 --> 04:08:44,479
there because they want that rural

5716
04:08:44,479 --> 04:08:46,239
character. And I want people to try to

5717
04:08:46,239 --> 04:08:49,840
respect that. Nobody on this commission, other than

5718
04:08:49,840 --> 04:08:52,560
myself lives in the rural part of the

5719
04:08:52,560 --> 04:08:54,239
county. Everybody else lives in the city

5720
04:08:54,239 --> 04:08:56,640
of Moab. And I respect that. I just want

5721
04:08:56,640 --> 04:08:59,040
to know want you to know that, you know,

5722
04:08:59,040 --> 04:09:01,199
there is another voice out there. And I

5723
04:09:01,199 --> 04:09:03,359
want you guys to to understand it and

5724
04:09:03,359 --> 04:09:05,840
hopefully respect it.

5725
04:09:05,840 --> 04:09:07,199
>> I wasn't saying you're a millionaire,

5726
04:09:07,199 --> 04:09:09,439
Trish. And and a lot of people live in

5727
04:09:09,439 --> 04:09:12,399
those that area aren't, but if today you

5728
04:09:12,399 --> 04:09:14,640
bought a million, you bought you going

5729
04:09:14,640 --> 04:09:16,319
to build a house on there,

5730
04:09:16,319 --> 04:09:17,920
>> it would be a million dollar home, it

5731
04:09:17,920 --> 04:09:19,840
wouldn't be what it was back in the day.

5732
04:09:19,840 --> 04:09:23,279
So you have your acre and you can keep

5733
04:09:23,279 --> 04:09:25,199
it for sure. As long as you want your

5734
04:09:25,199 --> 04:09:26,880
own acre, you can keep it. But if people

5735
04:09:26,880 --> 04:09:29,520
want to be able to afford to build new

5736
04:09:29,520 --> 04:09:31,760
homes, you know, you got to split the

5737
04:09:31,760 --> 04:09:34,160
land up to where

5738
04:09:34,160 --> 04:09:36,000
>> understood. But then that's where I

5739
04:09:36,000 --> 04:09:37,680
think and I agree, Bill, we did have

5740
04:09:37,680 --> 04:09:39,439
public meetings and Alisa Martin did

5741
04:09:39,439 --> 04:09:40,880
those meetings and Jenna, you are

5742
04:09:40,880 --> 04:09:43,279
correct. However, they there was a few

5743
04:09:43,279 --> 04:09:44,640
there. I think there was five of them

5744
04:09:44,640 --> 04:09:47,199
alto together. They were sparssely

5745
04:09:47,199 --> 04:09:51,680
attended. They weren't attended to the you know, I didn't think it was a

5746
04:09:51,680 --> 04:09:53,520
great attendance. like I went to I think

5747
04:09:53,520 --> 04:09:55,359
two or three of them and it was kind of

5748
04:09:55,359 --> 04:09:57,120
the same folks. What I would like to

5749
04:09:57,120 --> 04:09:59,040
see, like I said, is maybe when we do

5750
04:09:59,040 --> 04:10:01,520
it, we break it into kind of little

5751
04:10:01,520 --> 04:10:04,160
sections and we send postcards and we

5752
04:10:04,160 --> 04:10:05,840
make sure that people know like, hey,

5753
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:07,600
we're looking at your neighborhood or

5754
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:10,160
your area. We're going to feasibly

5755
04:10:10,160 --> 04:10:12,560
reszone it and you may want to come. And

5756
04:10:12,560 --> 04:10:14,479
I just think it would be a more holistic

5757
04:10:14,479 --> 04:10:16,960
process and that way when citizens down

5758
04:10:16,960 --> 04:10:18,720
the road want to complain because I

5759
04:10:18,720 --> 04:10:20,000
believe me, I have people complaining

5760
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:21,520
about that future land use map. I'm

5761
04:10:21,520 --> 04:10:24,080
like, "Hey, there were meetings." And

5762
04:10:24,080 --> 04:10:25,760
then at that point, we can say, "You got

5763
04:10:25,760 --> 04:10:28,000
a postcard. You were invited. You got

5764
04:10:28,000 --> 04:10:30,479
you didn't give input." That's all we

5765
04:10:30,479 --> 04:10:32,239
can do, right? We just make it more

5766
04:10:32,239 --> 04:10:34,800
holistic as much as possible to vi

5767
04:10:34,800 --> 04:10:38,560
finally define those 90° angles.

5768
04:10:38,560 --> 04:10:40,960
>> Okay. Mine's

5769
04:10:40,960 --> 04:10:42,319
a little

5770
04:10:42,319 --> 04:10:44,080
>> Mary hasn't talked yet. Yeah.

5771
04:10:44,080 --> 04:10:46,880
>> I've talked enough.

5772
04:10:46,880 --> 04:10:49,439
Um, with with the reszone, I the danger

5773
04:10:49,439 --> 04:10:52,399
of a reszone is there's no guarantee

5774
04:10:52,399 --> 04:10:56,399
that houses are going to be built there

5775
04:10:56,399 --> 04:10:59,120
that are going to be affordable for the

5776
04:10:59,120 --> 04:11:01,680
average person and there's no guarantee

5777
04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:03,199
that it's going to help our housing

5778
04:11:03,199 --> 04:11:07,520
issue. It just means that now the

5779
04:11:07,520 --> 04:11:11,199
property is worth more because it's more

5780
04:11:11,199 --> 04:11:13,359
valuable being in that that type of

5781
04:11:13,359 --> 04:11:16,880
zoning. and and we're we have no

5782
04:11:16,880 --> 04:11:19,040
guarantee, you know, and I think if

5783
04:11:19,040 --> 04:11:21,120
we're going to do reszones or if we're

5784
04:11:21,120 --> 04:11:24,160
going to uh do something, there has it

5785
04:11:24,160 --> 04:11:28,399
has to be coupled with a way to protect

5786
04:11:28,399 --> 04:11:31,120
and make sure we're getting, you know,

5787
04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:34,479
that what we're asking for, what we need

5788
04:11:34,479 --> 04:11:38,560
will be accomplished by this result.

5789
04:11:38,560 --> 04:11:42,880
And I I don't see any protection here

5790
04:11:42,880 --> 04:11:46,239
for you know we've just increased the

5791
04:11:46,239 --> 04:11:48,239
value of that program.

5792
04:11:48,239 --> 04:11:51,279
>> Well we increased so the value is and

5793
04:11:51,279 --> 04:11:54,239
the for sure investment or the value is

5794
04:11:54,239 --> 04:11:55,520
that we are going from

5795
04:11:55,520 --> 04:11:58,080
>> I I I resent

5796
04:11:58,080 --> 04:12:00,399
I don't think it's okay to quick go back

5797
04:12:00,399 --> 04:12:02,720
and forth like that. If I make a

5798
04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:05,680
comment, my catch is I think that's what

5799
04:12:05,680 --> 04:12:11,040
starts the the back and forth part.

5800
04:12:11,040 --> 04:12:14,720
>> You can answer. Go ahead.

5801
04:12:14,720 --> 04:12:16,319
>> Uh

5802
04:12:16,319 --> 04:12:18,960
in this I I know Trish, you you keep

5803
04:12:18,960 --> 04:12:20,720
saying I wish the neighborhood would

5804
04:12:20,720 --> 04:12:22,560
have received one of those cards. I want

5805
04:12:22,560 --> 04:12:24,560
it to be known. You would have received

5806
04:12:24,560 --> 04:12:26,880
one of those cards

5807
04:12:26,880 --> 04:12:28,239
knowing because you are a neighbor

5808
04:12:28,239 --> 04:12:31,359
deciding on this. you're you're pretty

5809
04:12:31,359 --> 04:12:33,439
more privy than most, but you haven't

5810
04:12:33,439 --> 04:12:37,510
said that.

5811
04:12:37,520 --> 04:12:39,920
» Okay. So, when I will just state that

5812
04:12:39,920 --> 04:12:42,640
when you when you add when you take one

5813
04:12:42,640 --> 04:12:45,120
home per one acre and you allow two

5814
04:12:45,120 --> 04:12:48,319
homes per one acre, you are doubling

5815
04:12:48,319 --> 04:12:50,479
your homes. So, when we talk about

5816
04:12:50,479 --> 04:12:52,880
needing homes in this community, if we

5817
04:12:52,880 --> 04:12:55,920
go from one per acre to two per acre,

5818
04:12:55,920 --> 04:12:58,000
that means we get double the amount. And

5819
04:12:58,000 --> 04:12:59,520
then if we go to three per acre, we get

5820
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,600
triple the amount. And four per acre

5821
04:13:01,600 --> 04:13:03,520
means we get four times the amount. And

5822
04:13:03,520 --> 04:13:06,159
to me, the conversation is we need more

5823
04:13:06,159 --> 04:13:08,640
homes. And so what we're doing is we are

5824
04:13:08,640 --> 04:13:11,439
for sure ensuring that more homes can be

5825
04:13:11,439 --> 04:13:13,840
built on that one acre of land. And that

5826
04:13:13,840 --> 04:13:16,960
is what our when you talk about making

5827
04:13:16,960 --> 04:13:18,880
sure that we are getting something out

5828
04:13:18,880 --> 04:13:20,720
of that land, that is what we are

5829
04:13:20,720 --> 04:13:22,159
getting. And that's that's the way I

5830
04:13:22,159 --> 04:13:24,880
feel about it. And I will call for a

5831
04:13:24,880 --> 04:13:29,040
vote. So all those in favor

5832
04:13:29,040 --> 04:13:30,080
>> I

5833
04:13:30,080 --> 04:13:32,239
>> and those opposed.

5834
04:13:32,239 --> 04:13:33,920
All right, that passes 43 with

5835
04:13:33,920 --> 04:13:35,840
Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner Man,

5836
04:13:35,840 --> 04:13:39,120
and Commissioner Haden in opposition.

5837
04:13:39,120 --> 04:13:40,800
And with that, we are done with our

5838
04:13:40,800 --> 04:13:42,880
regular meetings. Um well, we're going

5839
04:13:42,880 --> 04:13:45,760
to close session.

5840
04:13:45,760 --> 04:13:46,159
Oh,

5841
04:13:46,159 --> 04:13:48,319
>> I was just going to suggest that the the

5842
04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:50,159
commission go through discussion items,

5843
04:13:50,159 --> 04:13:52,239
general reports, and go through any of

5844
04:13:52,239 --> 04:13:54,399
those items. and then we're going to go

5845
04:13:54,399 --> 04:13:55,840
into close session and then we have to

5846
04:13:55,840 --> 04:13:57,600
come out and vote on 21. That way if

5847
04:13:57,600 --> 04:13:59,920
anybody is looking to listen to anything

5848
04:13:59,920 --> 04:14:02,720
that's the bottom of the agenda they

5849
04:14:02,720 --> 04:14:04,399
would understand that the last item is

5850
04:14:04,399 --> 04:14:06,960
the uh item one.

5851
04:14:06,960 --> 04:14:10,000
>> Okay. So on general commission reports

5852
04:14:10,000 --> 04:14:12,239
and we already had future considerations

5853
04:14:12,239 --> 04:14:13,760
if anyone wants to share a piece of

5854
04:14:13,760 --> 04:14:15,520
their commissioning for I'm happy to

5855
04:14:15,520 --> 04:14:18,080
hear it.

5856
04:14:18,080 --> 04:14:20,000
Anyone?

5857
04:14:20,000 --> 04:14:24,800
No. I can't see Trish are on there and

5858
04:14:24,800 --> 04:14:27,040
elected officials report or

5859
04:14:27,040 --> 04:14:31,830
commissioners report.

5860
04:14:31,840 --> 04:14:35,520
» I can give a very brief update on OSA.

5861
04:14:35,520 --> 04:14:36,080
>> Okay.

5862
04:14:36,080 --> 04:14:39,040
>> This point u relaying information that

5863
04:14:39,040 --> 04:14:42,479
our department head Angie Book provided.

5864
04:14:42,479 --> 04:14:44,880
Uh the playground and pickle ball

5865
04:14:44,880 --> 04:14:49,760
projects are continuing to progress. Um

5866
04:14:49,760 --> 04:14:51,760
they're making a lot of progress right

5867
04:14:51,760 --> 04:14:54,880
now. They're the the landscaping may be

5868
04:14:54,880 --> 04:14:58,080
a little bit delayed, but hopefully uh

5869
04:14:58,080 --> 04:15:02,640
and I say this with all reservation that

5870
04:15:02,640 --> 04:15:05,680
we are hopeful that the first half of

5871
04:15:05,680 --> 04:15:09,600
September may be when both projects are

5872
04:15:09,600 --> 04:15:12,319
completed. So they are progressing and

5873
04:15:12,319 --> 04:15:14,880
we're looking forward to those finishing

5874
04:15:14,880 --> 04:15:17,439
up, but they are making lots of progress

5875
04:15:17,439 --> 04:15:19,439
currently. Good. Thank you.

5876
04:15:19,439 --> 04:15:23,120
>> That's great. Okay. So, any other any

5877
04:15:23,120 --> 04:15:24,960
other comments or we're going to go into

5878
04:15:24,960 --> 04:15:26,159
close session? We'll come back out.

5879
04:15:26,159 --> 04:15:28,239
We'll have one more vote and then the

5880
04:15:28,239 --> 04:15:30,319
meeting will be adjourned.

5881
04:15:30,319 --> 04:15:33,520
So, do we have Well, one, two, three,

5882
04:15:33,520 --> 04:15:35,120
four. Go ahead, Sean.

5883
04:15:35,120 --> 04:15:36,319
>> I'll make a motion to go into close

5884
04:15:36,319 --> 04:15:39,680
session to discuss uh litigation. I'll

5885
04:15:39,680 --> 04:15:40,720
second that. Is

5886
04:15:40,720 --> 04:15:42,080
>> that what it is?

5887
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:43,520
>> Yes.

5888
04:15:43,520 --> 04:15:46,960
>> Okay. All in favor?

5889
04:15:46,960 --> 04:15:51,510
I

5890
04:15:51,520 --> 04:15:54,239
» with two absent that passes.

5891
04:15:54,239 --> 04:15:54,720
>> Yes.

5892
04:15:54,720 --> 04:15:56,800
>> All right. We'll take little breaks and

5893
04:15:56,800 --> 04:15:59,840
we'll come back.

5894
04:15:59,840 --> 04:16:03,720
I don't know if we'll go again.