[0:29] [clears throat]
[0:30] Commissioner Hadine, can you hear us?
[0:31] All right.
[0:34] >> Yes, I can hear you.
[0:36] >> Great. Thank you.
[0:38] >> Thank you.
[0:40] >> Okay. I want to welcome everyone to this
[0:42] workshop on August 18th with Stan County
[0:44] Commission. We have in attendance
[0:46] Commissioner Hadina online, Commissioner
[0:48] Hadler, Commissioner Man, Commissioner
[0:50] McCertie, Commissioner Winfield, myself,
[0:52] Commissioner Mccl, and our
[0:55] administrator Mark Tiner and
[0:57] administrator Paul. And with us today,
[1:00] we have um Bad Pock Design, Rob Codle,
[1:05] and we have Marcus Keller with
[1:07] >> Cruz, Associates, and Melissa Jeffers,
[1:10] our economic development.
[1:13] we're going to talk about. So, a few um
[1:16] months ago, the commission made a vote
[1:19] to go out to bid for an RFP on the
[1:24] county jail and
[1:26] um Becock Design was chosen by the
[1:29] subcommittee, the working group, and now
[1:32] they're here to present final report.
[1:36] Thank you. Thanks for coming. I
[1:37] appreciate you guys being here.
[1:40] Okay, I am going to start off just with
[1:43] a little bit of background to catch
[1:44] everyone up because it has been a few
[1:46] months since this project started. So,
[1:49] just give a little bit of background and
[1:52] then share a little bit about the rhythm
[1:54] and the cates and the schedule for this
[1:55] meeting and how we hope to be able to
[1:58] wrap things up to give everyone
[2:00] questions and answers. But just to go
[2:03] back a few months before this project
[2:04] started, there was a subcommittee
[2:07] working group that was voted on by the
[2:08] commission. So the broader commission
[2:11] may not be aware of the details of kind
[2:13] of how that project unfolded. The
[2:16] working group is really familiar because
[2:18] they had a regular cadence of meetings,
[2:20] but for everyone else, just give a
[2:22] really brief background.
[2:24] But uh I think that the commission and I
[2:26] wish I had an opportunity to go back and
[2:28] watch that meeting. I did not. But I
[2:31] want to say that there was universal
[2:33] agreement among the FE that we have some
[2:36] really significant challenges with our
[2:38] current jail that have to be addressed.
[2:40] They are not inconsequential. They are
[2:43] not substantial fixes that needed to be
[2:46] addressed. And that raised the question
[2:48] of whether or not a fixed guideway tax
[2:51] may be the appropriate way to address
[2:53] some of those challenges that needed to
[2:55] be met in whatever form those challenges
[2:58] were met. And the commission decided at
[3:02] that time or the majority of the
[3:03] commission decided by vote at that time
[3:05] that there just wasn't enough
[3:06] information to be able to have that
[3:08] discussion and that they would like some
[3:10] more time and some more information. So
[3:14] at that point the working group formed
[3:17] and a feasibility study went out for
[3:20] RFP. The purpose of that uh feasibility
[3:23] study was not to design anything to make
[3:25] decisions. It was literally to get just
[3:28] enough information without spending too
[3:30] many resources to be able to make that
[3:33] decision that we had enough information
[3:36] to be able to bank. So the feasibility
[3:38] study was to study physical feasibility
[3:41] meaning how could we address the
[3:43] challenges what could be built what's
[3:45] possible when you take it all the way to
[3:47] fullbrite. And then there's the
[3:49] financial feasibility component which is
[3:51] whatever decision is made what would it
[3:54] cost? How would it be funded? what would
[3:56] be some appropriate mechanisms that
[3:58] could be explored. So that RFP went out
[4:01] for bed. We received three proposals in
[4:03] the working group chose Babcock design
[4:06] as the author of that feasibility study
[4:08] working associates as our public finance
[4:12] partner and I have put it's in the
[4:15] packet and I have also put a printed
[4:17] piece for each of you with the bio of
[4:21] Rob from Babcock Design and you'll see
[4:23] why they were ultimately selected to be
[4:26] able to put this feasibility study
[4:28] together. uh just a list of some of the
[4:31] experience that they've had with both
[4:33] design and feasibility. The Iron County
[4:35] Sheriff's Complex, the Jab County
[4:38] Sheriff's Pro uh project, King County
[4:40] Community Outreach, San Pete County
[4:43] Sheriff's Complex, and the list just
[4:45] keeps going on. So, they are certainly
[4:47] very qualified and up to date with both
[4:49] the Skyway Tax as a project mechanism
[4:53] and then also uh the design aspects,
[4:55] feasibility aspects of those types of
[4:57] projects. So, the feasibility study was
[5:01] put together. The finance piece of the
[5:03] feasibility study was put together and
[5:06] they're here today to be able to present
[5:08] the findings of that, not as a decision
[5:11] or as a detailed analysis, but just
[5:13] here's what it could potentially look
[5:15] like if you want to explore this is a
[5:17] project and here's about what it might
[5:20] cost. So, they'll be able to share that
[5:23] information. And then one step further
[5:26] today, Mayor uh Mike Wender from Mil
[5:30] Creek City will be joining us remotely.
[5:32] The purpose of his joining us is that uh
[5:36] Mil Creek City has a very similar
[5:38] project to parts of the project that are
[5:41] being explored and he can speak to the
[5:45] capital stacks that were put together
[5:46] for those projects, the different
[5:48] funding mechanisms that they've employed
[5:50] because it's got some what four phases
[5:53] of the project with about five different
[5:55] capital staffs and has some of the most
[5:58] >> variability I guess that I've ever seen
[6:00] in some of these projects. And so I
[6:02] thought it might be instructive or
[6:04] informative to hear how this actually
[6:05] plays out in a practical on the ground
[6:07] project and then to be able to ask him
[6:10] questions as well. So with that uh I
[6:14] will kick it off to Babcock Design
[6:18] >> and the graphics are going to be on the
[6:20] screen
[6:20] >> correct.
[6:21] >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Where where's the
[6:24] best place for me? It's better for me to
[6:25] stand up sit here or
[6:26] >> either way you can stand right there
[6:28] this microphone or you can sit down
[6:29] >> better so I can at least see Steve.
[6:35] » Uh, okay. So, thank you for having us.
[6:38] Um this has been uh something we've been
[6:41] working on for several months now as
[6:43] Melissa mentioned and um it it started
[6:48] out as primarily a feasibility study um
[6:51] for a replacement for the existing
[6:55] sheriff's office and jail to combine
[6:57] those into
[6:59] single um central facility that had new
[7:05] housing units housed all the functions
[7:08] for the sheriff's office as well as
[7:10] provided potential other uh features
[7:14] depending on budget of course such as uh
[7:17] emergency operations dispatcher 911 uh
[7:21] also even third party uh state and
[7:23] federal agencies. It's quite common in
[7:25] rural communities that the the county
[7:28] jail or the sheriff's complex has space
[7:31] for highway patrol uh adult probation
[7:34] and parole and uh sometimes drug court
[7:38] uh just depending on how each county
[7:40] does it. But the idea is is that uh it
[7:43] becomes you're taking all these
[7:44] functions that are kind of strewn about
[7:47] the county in in various buildings. You
[7:49] have different operations spread about.
[7:51] This is a very common problem. Um and by
[7:54] bringing them together in a new facility
[7:57] that um
[7:59] centralizes that communication, it
[8:01] becomes a more efficient and a more
[8:03] effective situation. There's also issues
[8:06] with things like central evidence
[8:08] storage and a central location for um
[8:12] search and rescue or things like that.
[8:14] So what you're going to see here, we we
[8:17] explored three different options. Um and
[8:21] um I'm just going to go through those
[8:23] fairly quickly. I know that Sheriff
[8:25] Wiggins is here. Nice to see you,
[8:26] Sheriff. Um
[8:29] if any specific questions on the jail
[8:32] and and the needs uh requirements or the
[8:36] needs assessment there, um it'd be great
[8:38] to have Sheriff Wiggins
[8:41] participate in that conversation. But
[8:43] the short version is is that your the
[8:45] current jail due to its age and um the
[8:48] time it went when it was designed which
[8:50] was late 80s early 90s um it's a very
[8:54] common layout um for a jail of that
[8:58] vintage. There was a whole series of
[9:01] county jails that were designed and
[9:03] constructed in the late 80s early 90s
[9:05] all throughout Utah. And we're seeing
[9:08] systematic um kind of repeat of the same
[9:11] scenario where the facilities are just
[9:14] they they're just old. They're kind of
[9:16] beat up. They're having infrastructure
[9:18] issues. Um so there's a lot of just
[9:21] general maintenance and kind of wear and
[9:24] tear issues. But beyond that and the
[9:27] most concerning issues of jails of that
[9:31] age are uh they not they do not meet ADA
[9:35] um and they don't conform to any current
[9:37] jail guidelines. Well, I shouldn't say
[9:39] they don't accord to any there's many
[9:41] jail guideline guidelines that they do
[9:43] not conform to. The other thing from an
[9:46] operations point of view is the way
[9:47] they're laid out. um they rely heavily
[9:50] on cameras for surveillance whereas
[9:52] modern facilities
[9:54] uh we do whatever we can to have line of
[9:57] sight wherever we can and to create
[9:59] layouts so that it's more efficient for
[10:02] uh the sheriff to staff the jail to be
[10:04] able to monitor the inmates um with the
[10:08] right number of people. But it's also a
[10:09] safety issue. If you have blind corners,
[10:11] if you have um you know, if the
[10:13] kitchen's down the hall and around the
[10:15] corner and the only
[10:18] surveillance you have is a camera, by
[10:20] the time something happens, it's going
[10:22] to be too late. And so what we're seeing
[10:25] is throughout the state, um a lot of
[10:28] counties are finally having to confront
[10:30] the reality that it's time to do a new
[10:33] facility to because the li potential
[10:35] liability of some of these issues. um as
[10:39] time goes on uh starts to uh be more
[10:43] painful than than uh having to bite the
[10:46] bullet and build the new facility. So,
[10:49] um we could go real quick to the next
[10:51] page.
[10:54] So, these this is a feasibility study.
[10:58] So what what you're all going to see
[10:59] here while they they are architectural
[11:01] drawings in the sense that we have floor
[11:04] plans and you're going to see some
[11:05] massing and three-dimensional um kind of
[11:09] representations of of shapes of
[11:11] different pieces of buildings. They are
[11:13] drawn to scale but this is not a design.
[11:15] We're not in design yet. The point of
[11:18] feasibility is really to establish the
[11:20] feasibility of the project to see okay
[11:23] this is the land we have to work with.
[11:24] these are the projects we're trying to
[11:25] do and does it work? Does can we fit it
[11:29] on the site? Does the circulation work?
[11:32] Um, and trying to answer all those
[11:34] questions up front. So, it gives uh the
[11:38] commission the ammunition or the the
[11:42] information that they need to make a an
[11:45] informed decision on whether or not it
[11:47] is worth proceeding to that next phase.
[11:50] Um, so this is just an this is just a a
[11:54] view of of the existing block. Uh, it's
[11:56] basically the block that we're on right
[11:58] now. Um, the building the mess in the
[12:01] lower left corner is the building that
[12:03] we're standing in now. Um, and so for
[12:06] the sake of this this study, we've kind
[12:08] of confined ourselves to this block.
[12:10] Next slide, please.
[12:14] So, an interesting would would it be
[12:17] possible to to make that full screen or
[12:19] blow it up or is that uh
[12:21] >> that's about as big as my Okay,
[12:23] >> thank you.
[12:24] >> I mean, I could zoom into certain areas.
[12:28] >> Yeah, that okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah,
[12:30] that that's
[12:31] >> Yeah. So,
[12:32] >> now we want
[12:32] >> Yeah. So, that's that's the existing uh
[12:34] site. Now, an interesting thing happened
[12:37] when we started this process. Uh, one of
[12:40] the first things we always do when we do
[12:42] a feasibility study is we go down and
[12:44] walk the site with the folks that live
[12:47] in the community, operate the jail, um,
[12:50] all the folks that are kind of the
[12:52] stakeholders, if you will, in a given
[12:54] project just to understand the lay of
[12:56] the land, see if we understand, you
[12:58] know, to physically walk the property.
[13:00] We're looking for topography issues.
[13:01] We're looking for is the is the sheer
[13:05] shape of the site
[13:07] something we can work with. And as we
[13:09] were walking it, we we started talking
[13:11] about some of the how how this project
[13:15] fits into the overall fabric of Moab,
[13:18] the unique nature of the of the tourism
[13:22] that obviously drives one of the major
[13:25] economic engine Moab. And one of those
[13:28] issues that um came up was that parking
[13:32] is a major problem in Moab. and having
[13:35] parking that is within reasonable
[13:39] proximity to center street or Main
[13:42] Street, excuse me. Um, and so as we were
[13:46] looking at the site, it appeared there
[13:49] was an opportunity to
[13:52] uh come up with a concept for a parking
[13:56] structure that could fit on the site
[13:59] that would basically go in the northeast
[14:01] the west half northeast corner that
[14:04] would have somewhere between two and 300
[14:07] parking stalls. But on the ground floor,
[14:09] because of the the
[14:12] pedestrian nature of the community,
[14:14] although, you know, there's shops
[14:15] everywhere, a lot of the shops and
[14:19] experience in Moab bleeds into the
[14:22] blocks to the east and the west of Main
[14:24] Street. And so on the ground floor
[14:27] looking at what if we did a a retail
[14:30] commercial
[14:32] use on the ground floor so that the
[14:34] experience at the pedestrian level is
[14:36] something that uh allows to continue
[14:39] that sort of uh continuation of those
[14:42] sorts of uses whether it's restaurants,
[14:45] office space, shops, whatever it may be.
[14:48] So uh we we didn't start out planning on
[14:52] putting a parking garage in there. So I
[14:54] wanted to give a little context for why
[14:56] that's there. For the sake of this
[14:58] study, they are two separate projects.
[15:00] However, um but because they share a
[15:03] common site and there's um
[15:07] you know common functions and timing and
[15:09] things like that, we want we we're
[15:11] showing it as part of this study to help
[15:12] communicate the big ideas. So in this version up the oddly shaped
[15:18] building in the upper right hand corner
[15:20] that would be the new public safety
[15:21] building and the and it's semi-ircular
[15:24] shape would be it's a would be a housing
[15:27] pod for right now that is sized for 120
[15:31] beds. Um
[15:34] what 120 beds provides for uh Grand
[15:38] County is not only the capacity to um
[15:43] house
[15:44] uh the local inmate population that
[15:47] they're required to to take care of. Um
[15:51] for those of you that don't under don't
[15:52] know this, um the state of Utah, the
[15:55] county sheriff is under constitutional
[15:58] guidelines that it's their
[15:59] responsibility to house uh all of the
[16:02] inmates
[16:04] u from from your county. And it's it's
[16:08] constantly a challenge because um
[16:12] especially in rural areas just because
[16:14] of issues with the cost of these
[16:16] facilities. So, the other the other
[16:19] thing that's interesting about uh the
[16:22] jail operations in the state of Utah is
[16:25] that the Department of Corrections uh
[16:28] from the prison actually will uh they will contract out groups of inmates
[16:36] to county jails throughout the state.
[16:39] And I can't remember the current number.
[16:41] It's 1,600ish
[16:43] it um is how many are dispersed at
[16:46] various jails. Now what that means is
[16:49] these are these are folks who have been
[16:51] convicted, adjudicated and sentenced and
[16:55] they're uh they have to be part of a
[16:57] certain population a lower risk
[17:00] population that they don't send uh the
[17:03] worst of the worst out to be to be
[17:05] housed in community jails.
[17:07] A lot of them are drug and sex
[17:09] offenders, geriatrics, things like that.
[17:12] Um, and that sounds a little scary, but
[17:14] the reality is is that um if you provide
[17:17] the necessary programs in your jail,
[17:20] those those inmate populations are
[17:22] actually um easier to take care of
[17:26] because they're nonviolent for the most
[17:28] part and majority of them are there to
[17:31] do their time and to go through the
[17:33] programming. what why they would go to a
[17:35] county facility is the state will will
[17:38] pay a pdeium to the to the county jail
[17:42] to house the inmates which is less than
[17:45] what it cost them to do it but it it's
[17:49] more money than what it cost the county
[17:51] to provide that service. So, it does
[17:53] generate some revenue and pretty much
[17:57] the majority of the county jails in the
[17:59] state of Utah, other than the the really
[18:01] large ones like uh Weber County, Salt
[18:04] Lake County, Davis County, Utah County,
[18:07] they don't typically have a lot of um
[18:10] contract inmates. They have some, but
[18:12] they don't have a lot because they're in
[18:13] a urban metro uh area. But in these
[18:19] rural areas, um, every major jail has
[18:24] anywhere between,
[18:26] uh, a couple dozen to several hundred. I
[18:29] believe Beaver is up around 300. So,
[18:32] when we talk about beds, this is just
[18:36] this is a fairly conservative size. This
[18:37] is 120 beds.
[18:40] You can it's it's scalable if the
[18:44] community were to decide that there was
[18:46] a benefit.
[18:47] um to going larger to have the
[18:50] capability to provide for contract beds.
[18:53] Um that's certainly the county's option.
[18:57] Um so I want to sorry that was kind of a
[18:59] long-winded explanation for that
[19:01] background about that. I
[19:02] >> I think it's important for context to
[19:04] let uh folks know how many beds we
[19:06] currently have in in our jail right here
[19:08] uh couple hundred yards that way.
[19:10] >> Yeah. Is it 64?
[19:12] Yeah, 64 beds. And that's that is that
[19:15] maximum. Yeah. And um
[19:20] the idea is here that the 120 would
[19:22] provide definitely the coverage for 64
[19:25] plus um a buffer and to add growth.
[19:29] Obviously these facilities are quite
[19:31] expensive relatively speaking. So um you
[19:35] want to have a facility that's going to
[19:37] give you 40 or 50 years hopefully.
[19:40] And you also have this is also laid out
[19:42] such that there are six different day
[19:45] rooms. So it gives the sheriff uh
[19:48] [clears throat] and the jail commander
[19:50] more flexibility with how they uh
[19:53] segregate the population. For those of
[19:55] you that don't know, when when some when
[19:57] somebody gets booked into jail,
[20:00] everybody just doesn't go into one big
[20:01] room. uh your each inmate is is
[20:05] classified and goes through a a process
[20:08] of understanding where which population
[20:10] they belong in so you don't have the
[20:13] wrong people with the wrong group. Um so
[20:16] what you have here um the the round
[20:20] shape option is the housing unit the
[20:22] where the number one is that is the on
[20:24] the ground floor it would be all the
[20:26] jail functions uh that that basically
[20:28] provide support for the jail. So it's
[20:30] kitchen laundry. It's the vehicle Sally
[20:32] port work. You come in. In fact, if you
[20:34] want to advance the slide.
[20:39] [clears throat]
[20:39] So
[20:43] let's see. Go one more forward, please,
[20:45] if you if you don't mind. Uh one more.
[20:52] Oh, there it is.
[20:54] And you can just zoom out just to just
[20:56] click. So, this is not the design, but
[21:00] this is a an adjacency diagram that kind
[21:04] of shows all the functions that happen
[21:06] inside of the jail. There's a lot that
[21:08] goes on in the jail uh that most people
[21:10] don't realize, but you are housing, if
[21:14] you're housing 120 inmates or even 100,
[21:17] you're talking about three 350 350 meals
[21:22] a day. Um, so it's three meals a day
[21:26] plus a plus a factor on top of that. Um,
[21:29] so you have a full-time kitchen and you
[21:32] have full-time laundry. The laundry in
[21:34] the kitchen's usually housed by inmates.
[21:36] Um, it's set up such that um,
[21:40] you have a central control room that has
[21:42] visual surveillance down these straight
[21:44] hallways. So central control can see
[21:46] down the hallways all the way to pod the
[21:48] pod. This is the the housing pod, but
[21:51] can also see into
[21:53] You have, you know, glass on the on the
[21:55] windows here. Laundrying kitchen.
[21:57] Inmates usually are the primary labor
[21:59] force in in the jail laundrying kitchen.
[22:02] They're your lower risk inmates, but
[22:03] they're still inmates. So, having that
[22:06] um surveillance is important. Uh but it
[22:09] also houses all the booking intake.
[22:13] Um houses all the inmate property. You
[22:16] have a vehicle sally port, which is
[22:18] basically a very large garage with
[22:19] high-speed doors where if somebody's
[22:21] being brought to jail, they go in the
[22:23] sally port, the doors closed. It's a secure situation. Then they're
[22:28] brought into intake and processed and
[22:31] they're either going to bail out at this
[22:32] point or they're going to be spending
[22:34] the night in jail. Um, Granford also has
[22:38] uh the sheriff's office has his staff
[22:42] that uh works in the jail
[22:45] and he has patrol staff, he has
[22:47] detective staff. Um,
[22:50] not forgetting anybody, sheriff. Those
[22:52] are basically the three big groups. But
[22:55] we always uh we recommend having the the
[22:58] jail admin, the jail staff be on the
[22:59] ground floor and it's a matter of just
[23:01] going into the security. This is all
[23:03] secure. Um, inside this facility,
[23:05] there's a public lobby that uh, and
[23:07] we're showing a drug court with a
[23:09] visitation area, but drug courts where
[23:11] somebody goes if they're on a court
[23:13] mandated test, you know, if they have to
[23:15] do a daily drug test or periodic drug
[23:17] test. Um, but the public has access to
[23:20] be able to come in here, interact with
[23:23] the sheriff's office, um, you know, put
[23:27] money, boards and inmates, uh, accounts
[23:31] for their of this area and things like
[23:33] that. But also, um, there is a little
[23:37] bit of visitation. There is no contact
[23:39] visitation in in this in these jails
[23:41] these days. Um the only visitation
[23:44] that's actually face to face is usually
[23:46] between an attorney and an inmate. The
[23:48] rest of the visitation is is done with
[23:50] video. So there's a scheduled time where
[23:54] uh whoever wants to make the visitation
[23:56] can remotely dial into a secure site and
[23:59] there's a a visitation screen unit on
[24:03] usually in the day room uh for the
[24:06] inmate to be able to have video
[24:08] visitation. So the idea is is to have
[24:11] less movements of inmates from place to place. The most dangerous
[24:18] um time for someone from the sheriff's
[24:21] office is transporting moving a prisoner
[24:23] from point A to point B, especially if
[24:26] you're outside. Um and so anything you
[24:30] can do to minimize the movements.
[24:34] um this programming
[24:36] uh what I'm talking about there is those
[24:38] are the those are uh multi-purpose
[24:40] spaces that um allow for church
[24:43] services, education, drug treatment, um
[24:47] library. The idea is is that they are
[24:50] multi-purpose. Um volunteers from the
[24:52] community usually will bring in
[24:54] religious services or conduct an AA
[24:56] meeting. uh you know psychological
[24:59] counseling or drug counseling, addiction
[25:02] counseling can happen there. In the case
[25:04] of like uh say a sex offenders group, um
[25:09] they have a very specific program they
[25:10] have to go through that's mandated by
[25:12] the state before they're allowed to be
[25:14] released. So having space for that is
[25:16] very important. So and this is we have
[25:19] not changed this in each of these
[25:20] options, but I felt it was important
[25:23] that you kind of understood the lay of
[25:24] land. Uh next slide, please.
[25:27] So on the this is just a kind of a 3D
[25:30] cutaway of the same thing. Um what
[25:32] you're seeing here would be the ground
[25:34] floor retail along 100 east going up to
[25:37] 100 north and um with the public safety
[25:42] building back here. Next slide.
[25:46] And then on on the top floor um is
[25:50] basically just an office building. It's
[25:53] it sits on top of the the secure jail.
[25:56] It's the sheriff's office. It's
[25:57] everything that under the sheriff's
[26:00] office uh operation is housed here. So,
[26:03] it's it's all of the the private
[26:05] offices, the business offices of of the
[26:08] sheriff along with conference rooms. But
[26:10] more importantly, it's where uh evidence is stored and processed and
[26:16] analyzed. There's typically a small
[26:18] crime lab in there. You have your
[26:20] patrol. You have deputies uh here to
[26:24] training areas both classroom type
[26:26] training but also physical training. Uh
[26:29] there's usually a gym space uh so that
[26:34] you know just with some weights and some
[26:35] cardio type stuff and a small locker
[26:37] room. The idea is is to have everything
[26:40] all contained in one area. It's quite
[26:43] common in these facilities if it's
[26:46] relevant to the local community to put
[26:50] either dispatch
[26:52] or and 911 in this building if you if
[26:55] it's not being held somewhere else or if
[26:56] you want to bring it into the jail, but
[26:58] also have space that's typically a large
[27:01] multi-purpose space that can be
[27:03] converted to a emergency operation
[27:05] center if you have a natural disaster or
[27:07] major situation going on, which creates
[27:09] a command center for the sheriff to
[27:11] operate from.
[27:12] Next slide, please.
[27:16] So, this is just a a 3D view of that
[27:18] second level, kind of showing how that
[27:20] works.
[27:21] Next slide.
[27:24] So, that was option A. Option B, um, one
[27:28] of the other things that we talked about
[27:30] was um, taking taking inmates to and
[27:34] from court. In a lot of cases, you can
[27:36] do it video. You can do video
[27:38] arraignment in certain cases, but
[27:39] sometimes they they do need to go before
[27:42] the judge. And again, transporting
[27:45] is it's done all the time, but if if
[27:48] there's a way that you don't have to
[27:49] take them out of the jail to get them to
[27:50] the court, that would be great. So what
[27:52] we're this concept basically shows a new
[27:55] courtroom building that has a a ground
[27:57] floor piece and a second floor piece
[27:59] that connects with the that would be
[28:02] adjacent to the sheriff's office that
[28:05] would create a physical connection
[28:07] between the the jail and the courts so
[28:10] that inmates would just be brought
[28:12] through the jail into a secure holding
[28:16] area so that they could then go before
[28:18] the judge and if they if they prevail
[28:21] failed, then they get to go out the
[28:22] front door. And if they don't, they go
[28:24] back in the door they came from. Um, but
[28:27] that's that's really the primary
[28:28] difference of this scheme here is to
[28:31] show uh, you know, a a court situation
[28:35] where we're trying to get the county
[28:37] attorneys, both courtrooms and all the
[28:40] associate spaces, but also on the top
[28:43] floor having having that adjacency so
[28:45] that there is direct communication
[28:47] between the county attorney and the
[28:49] sheriff's office. uh basically sharing
[28:52] same floor plan. So just facilitates
[28:55] that. Next slide please.
[29:00] And again this is the same diagram
[29:03] except for uh this quartz down on the
[29:06] bottom and then the quartz piece on the
[29:08] top go up and over be twice as big.
[29:12] Again, not a design yet. Just uh from a
[29:16] scale point of view, that's about how
[29:18] much square feet we're talking about.
[29:20] Next slide.
[29:23] Uh, next slide.
[29:26] Another 3D cut. This is that second
[29:28] floor showing the relationship between
[29:31] the courtroom of the sheriff's or the courthouse and attorney spaces and
[29:36] the and the sheriff's office space. Next
[29:38] slide.
[29:40] And next slide.
[29:43] Finally,
[29:45] um the the last version is uh if if the
[29:50] parking structure idea
[29:53] uh doesn't have doesn't have legs, if it
[29:55] doesn't go anywhere, the other option is
[29:58] to we looked at was okay, what does that mean? Now, so in this in
[30:03] this instance, we're taking the the same
[30:05] building basically the same footprint.
[30:07] We're flipping it and we're running it
[30:10] along 100 east here and then we're
[30:13] suggesting
[30:15] a new potential new corp
[30:18] is that touch screen.
[30:21] >> Yeah.
[30:22] Wow. Um
[30:25] we're suggesting a conceptual idea of a
[30:27] new courtroom here that would be
[30:30] connected to the jail. Um, and it you
[30:35] can see it's a much more compact
[30:37] relationship. Obviously, by not building
[30:40] a a parking garage, um, being if you
[30:43] talk total cost, it's it's clearly not
[30:46] the same because you're not building a
[30:47] parking garage. However, um, there's a
[30:51] great opportunity with with the idea of
[30:54] being able to activate the street and
[30:56] actually kind of put the jail or push it
[30:58] back into the block.
[31:01] uh both um for perception. Um it for
[31:07] perception
[31:09] concerns, if you want to call that, but
[31:11] it also uh some of the more secure
[31:13] functions uh can be more inboard and uh
[31:18] easily more easily um accessed and
[31:23] serviced by the sheriff's office. But
[31:25] there's a lot of configurations that can
[31:27] happen. And again, we're not in design
[31:28] yet. So, we're just really trying to
[31:30] establish that things fit. All right.
[31:33] So,
[31:36] shifting gears to the next slide,
[31:39] we wanted to talk about what this
[31:41] parking garage could be. Um, parking
[31:44] garages aren't typically known for their
[31:46] beauty. Um, they're very utilitarian.
[31:51] Um, however, there are ways um that we
[31:55] can incorporate some simple elements
[31:58] that not only are functional but also aesthetically pleasing. These
[32:04] are just some uh precedent image kind of
[32:07] uh inspirational ideas of uh some ways
[32:11] that folks have screened uh upper floor
[32:14] masses um to help with the look but also
[32:18] to provide some shading. Uh, next slide
[32:20] please.
[32:22] So, this is a rendering. Uh, can you
[32:25] maybe
[32:27] uh zoom out just a click if you would?
[32:30] So, this is a view from
[32:34] you're looking from the northwest corner
[32:37] to the southeast. You're across the
[32:39] street. You have 100 100 east and 100
[32:42] north. And the idea is is you have this
[32:46] all along the bottom of the parking
[32:48] garage is where you have that retail
[32:51] space. You would enter into the parking
[32:53] in back ramp up so that by the time you
[32:56] got to the other end, you're on the
[32:57] second level, but it creates a whole
[33:00] space underneath which could be um
[33:04] easily used for uh retail, commercial,
[33:09] uh professional spaces. And you can see
[33:12] this is just a very quick rendering idea
[33:14] that we came up with that by having a
[33:17] very transparent ground floor, it's very
[33:19] inviting, it's very active, um it would
[33:23] really activate the street and draw more
[33:24] attention. We're we're suggesting like a
[33:27] perforated
[33:29] uh Corten steel, which is that rusted
[33:32] looking steel um screening here. Not
[33:35] only because we're trying to screen the
[33:37] cars a little bit, but there's an
[33:38] opportunity here where you can do
[33:40] branding in in these panels where I we
[33:45] actually give them digital files and
[33:46] they'll they'll water jet holes in the
[33:50] panel so that if you wanted, you know,
[33:52] some sort of slogan about Moab or if you
[33:56] just wanted some imagery on that, you
[33:58] can you could dress it up or you can
[34:00] leave it alone. but it really also
[34:02] serves as a sun shade which you
[34:04] obviously need down here a good part of
[34:06] the year. And we're also suggesting that
[34:08] it might not be a bad idea on the top
[34:10] level to do a kind of a canopy cover
[34:14] over the cars and potentially you could
[34:15] even do solar on the top of that.
[34:18] Um I think that's it.
[34:23] Sorry that that was very longwinded. I
[34:25] apologize for uh if I ran a little long.
[34:29] Um, do I take questions now or should we
[34:33] >> Okay,
[34:34] >> so Marcus on financial next and then
[34:37] Mayor Winder and then a Q&A session
[34:39] through the three of them together.
[34:41] >> Thank you,
[34:47] » Wayne. I just sent you over a PDF
[34:49] version of the presentation if that's a
[34:51] little easier to
[34:52] >> Where's your glasses, Rob? Right. Thank
[34:54] you. Couldn't seem without my glasses.
[34:57] I'm with [laughter] you.
[34:59] While Quinn's getting that pulled up,
[35:01] just by introduction, Marcus Keller with
[35:03] Cruz and Associates. We're happy to be
[35:05] here. We're happy to discuss the Mass
[35:07] Fix Guideway sales tax levy. Uh, and uh,
[35:10] we'll go over a lot of the history
[35:12] there. A lot of this may be repeat
[35:13] information, so I apologize. I will try
[35:16] to move through it rather quickly to
[35:17] give Mike plenty of time to talk on his
[35:19] subject as well as to make sure we have
[35:22] plenty of time for a Q&A session. Um but
[35:25] we uh we think uh few little differences
[35:29] that have changed since the last time we
[35:30] presented. I think probably about a year
[35:32] or so ago since we first started these
[35:34] discussions but um yeah excited to be
[35:36] here and uh go over this because you
[35:39] know these are wonderful pictures and
[35:40] wonderful buildings but if we don't have
[35:42] a way to pay for it then uh it's just a
[35:44] lot of pretty artwork. So hopefully we
[35:46] can go over that today and uh give
[35:48] everyone the the answers that they're
[35:50] looking for here. So the fixed guideway
[35:53] sales tax or as we call it 2216
[35:56] throughout the presentation that's the
[35:58] section in code that it's related to is
[36:00] a sales tax that's been around for a
[36:02] long time but um if we go to the next
[36:05] slide it was a tax that was changed uh
[36:08] in 2024 to help with this exact issue.
[36:12] So for many years uh smaller counties
[36:14] across the state have tried to
[36:16] understand or try to figure out how they
[36:18] are going to pay for their largest
[36:20] capital expenditure which is when they
[36:23] have to either remodel or replace their
[36:25] jails. Um this will in most cases be the
[36:29] largest expenditure that Grand County
[36:31] ever has to figure out how to pay for I
[36:33] would imagine. And so what we did was we
[36:35] worked with the state legislature to
[36:37] help revise this section of code so that
[36:40] uh counties of the third through the
[36:41] sixth class could access this additional
[36:44] sales tax levy and to mandate that it
[36:46] had to be used for public safety. And in
[36:48] most cases they are being used for the
[36:51] replacement of their gels. As was
[36:53] mentioned Iron County recently did this
[36:56] I want to say about a year and a half
[36:57] ago, two years ago to replace their gel
[37:00] and that was a very large project.
[37:02] again, the largest project Iron County
[37:04] will ever have to pay for. But because
[37:06] of this sales tax, they were able to
[37:08] afford that and then move forward with
[37:10] that new construction and avoid a lot of
[37:12] the issues that come from an old jail
[37:15] that I won't get into right now. But um
[37:17] so we've updated the code and so this is
[37:20] the option and in my opinion the best
[37:23] option at least for the taxpayers of
[37:25] Grand County. And I'll go into those
[37:27] details on why I believe that's the
[37:29] case. But so we'll refer to this as uh
[37:32] sales tax Q216 or the massix guideway
[37:36] sales tax or public safety sales tax. I
[37:38] hear I guess a lot of different words to
[37:40] describe it. Uh next slide please.
[37:45] Perfect. So again that's just a little
[37:47] information um if anyone's ever curious
[37:49] on what this code would entail. So, one
[37:52] thing I do want to point out is this
[37:53] sales tax is for the 30%
[37:57] or just a little less than onethird of
[37:59] 1% that it would increase the county
[38:02] sales tax across the entire area. So,
[38:05] not just within unincorporated county,
[38:07] but both for incorporated um municipal
[38:10] as well as unincorporated county to draw
[38:12] on this sales tax. Again, it has to be
[38:14] used for public safety. So, this would
[38:16] be only and restricted to public safety.
[38:20] Could it be used for anything outside
[38:21] that definition? A lot of things we've
[38:23] seen it be used for is specifically for
[38:26] gel projects. Sometimes it's used for
[38:28] EMS. Sometimes it's used for things
[38:30] along that nature, but um typically
[38:32] we've seen counties with such a great
[38:34] capital being using it for their gel
[38:36] projects. And it isn't uh assessed on
[38:40] grocery food sales or unprepared food
[38:42] which again as a resident or as
[38:45] residents would probably like to know
[38:46] how this will affect them knowing that
[38:48] it's not going to affect them at the
[38:49] grocery store. One of the essential
[38:51] things that we wanted to make sure was
[38:53] included as part of this legislation. Uh
[38:55] next slide please.
[38:59] So, I went ahead and updated what the
[39:01] sales tax would look like for the county
[39:03] and across the area if this were to be
[39:06] included. So, if you look the MF or the
[39:09] Mass Fix Guideways, what that stands for
[39:11] is the section highlighted there at that
[39:14] point 30. And then at the very far end
[39:17] would be the total sales tax levy for
[39:20] all parts of the county um if this were
[39:23] to be enacted. So you could see all the
[39:25] different sales tax levies that are
[39:27] currently within the county boundaries.
[39:30] Uh next slide please.
[39:33] This is what it would look like if in
[39:35] acted. It would increase it to 7.65%
[39:38] and this across the state shows you what
[39:41] uh nearly every county that has the mass
[39:44] additional mass transit or the fixed
[39:47] guideway tax. Um state law doesn't allow
[39:49] you to have both. It's an either or. And
[39:52] so this is the comparable counties uh
[39:55] across the state that have one or the
[39:57] other of these levies u included within
[39:59] their sales tax. And then Grand County
[40:02] being at the top there with the
[40:03] asterisk.
[40:05] Uh next slide.
[40:09] This is why a slide I included from my
[40:12] prior presentation, but I thought it was
[40:13] important to see uh the growth of
[40:16] taxable sales in Grand County. Uh why I
[40:19] say that it will be less impactful to
[40:21] the taxpayers even though you would pay
[40:23] this as you go out to restaurants and
[40:25] different things is Grand County is uh
[40:27] in a lot of ways what we refer to as a
[40:29] destination area. Um so a lot of people
[40:32] are coming from outside Grand County to
[40:34] visit it and use your hotels, your
[40:36] restaurants, other services that they
[40:38] would be contributing to your taxable
[40:40] sales or your sales tax. And so this is
[40:43] the alternative of what we've seen being
[40:46] proposed to fund jails, which is
[40:47] property tax, where a 100% of that
[40:50] burden falls onto the shoulders of the
[40:52] taxpayers within Grand County. So we
[40:54] feel like this option with the sales tax
[40:56] gets split not only between the
[40:58] residents of Grand County, but those
[41:00] that get to enjoy all the benefits of
[41:01] Grand County uh and get to to uh use all
[41:06] these different facilities. Hopefully
[41:08] not the jail facility, but suppose
[41:10] that's what it's here for. So anyway, so
[41:12] I just wanted to really emphasize that
[41:14] as your taxable sales grow and as you
[41:16] grow as a county, this levy will
[41:18] continue to produce additional revenue,
[41:20] which is important because it'll produce
[41:22] revenue that continues to be dedicated
[41:24] and restricted for public safety. So,
[41:27] the hope is that as this uh sales tax
[41:29] levy is put into place that your public
[41:32] safety line items here at the county
[41:34] will hopefully be taken care of for the
[41:36] foreseeable future, particularly with
[41:38] the financing of your large capital
[41:40] infrastructure needs. Uh, next slide,
[41:42] please.
[41:45] Uh this is a outline we put together to
[41:48] show you what your uh revenues would
[41:50] have looked like and are projected to
[41:51] look like uh using uh conservative
[41:54] estimates based off historical
[41:56] collections within your taxable sales.
[41:58] So if the county had adopted this in
[42:00] 2024, we would have collected an
[42:02] additional 1.9 million. In 25 just over
[42:06] 2 million and then in 2026 we would
[42:08] estimate it would still be roughly in
[42:10] that same range, maybe a 2% increase.
[42:12] And then if you go down to the green, if
[42:15] this is were to be activated within this
[42:17] calendar year, we anticipate that full
[42:19] collections would start at the beginning
[42:20] of next calendar year. So January of
[42:22] 2027 and these are the revenue
[42:25] projections we would show uh to be start
[42:28] to be collected as that tax is in place
[42:31] as well as taxable sales increase
[42:33] slightly. I think this is actually a
[42:35] very conservative estimate. Um it could
[42:37] potentially be much higher. Uh, a lot of
[42:39] this is based off economic factors that
[42:41] we don't have any control over, but at
[42:44] the end of the day, we like to use
[42:45] conservative estimates to not over
[42:47] project or overpromise. But this is a I
[42:50] think a helpful slide to show those
[42:51] additional revenues coming into the
[42:53] county. Uh, next slide.
[42:58] Uh, coverage projections. So, as we've
[43:00] looked at different jail projects and
[43:02] different financing models here, we we
[43:04] have to figure out a way to pay for it.
[43:06] Our goal would be to use only the 2216
[43:09] to help pay for that jail or to pay for
[43:11] the entirety of that project. And so as
[43:14] we're putting together coverage to help
[43:15] with the ratings and interest rates to get the county as best credit as
[43:20] possible, if you notice on that second
[43:22] to last column on the right, the STB
[43:24] 2027 debt service, which stands for
[43:27] sales tax revenue bonds, that's what
[43:29] we're projecting the debt service to be
[43:30] based off our numbers and estimates that
[43:32] we'll go over shortly. So, as you
[43:34] notice, we're only running this at a max
[43:36] of 1.9 um to be very conservative with
[43:40] the estimates and to also maintain good
[43:42] coverage and to not overburden the
[43:44] county. So, again, our main goal is to
[43:46] find you the most efficient and cheapest
[43:48] form of financing if you were to move
[43:51] forward with this sales tax, but most
[43:52] importantly, never to put the county in
[43:54] a situation where they don't they're
[43:56] spending funds that they do not have.
[43:58] And so, that's why our projections are
[44:00] based off this currently.
[44:03] Uh, next slide.
[44:06] Uh, just to kind of put it into
[44:07] perspective what that would look like
[44:09] for taxpayers if this same 1.9 million
[44:11] of revenue were to be done as a property
[44:13] tax increase. Uh, it would be roughly a
[44:16] 28.62%
[44:18] change within the levy itself. Or on a
[44:21] $450,000 primary residential home, it
[44:24] would increase it by about $120 a year.
[44:27] are on that same uh value for b business
[44:30] $219 a year to generate those same
[44:33] amounts of revenues. I thought that's
[44:35] important because again as it was
[44:37] mentioned earlier jails have to be
[44:39] maintained. They have to be upkept by
[44:41] the county per the Utah state
[44:42] constitution. The only other form of
[44:45] financing really available to counties
[44:47] is property tax. And so we don't want
[44:50] this. I don't think taxpayers typically
[44:52] want this scenario. And so sales tax, as
[44:55] mentioned earlier, in my opinion, is is
[44:57] the best way to share that burden with
[44:59] people that live outside of Graham
[45:01] County as well and get to come and visit
[45:03] it. So just thought that would be an
[45:05] interesting slide to to bring up as
[45:07] well. Uh next slide, please.
[45:10] Um so currently right now, uh for the
[45:13] next slide, we're we're running
[45:14] scenarios based off a sheriff's complex
[45:16] and courts and county attorney offices.
[45:18] uh based off estimates we've been given,
[45:20] it's in that $30 million range. So, if
[45:24] we go down to the next slide, I believe
[45:26] we should have a uh let's go down one
[45:29] more, sorry, we should have a summary.
[45:32] So based off that $ 1.9 million debt
[45:35] service and based off different bonding
[45:37] or financing scenarios we're running,
[45:39] we're showing that the county could
[45:41] generate depending on and again these
[45:43] are hypotheticals or scenarios that we
[45:46] have based off current market
[45:47] conditions. We're showing that the
[45:49] county could raise just based off the
[45:51] 2216 sales tax roughly $29.6 million to
[45:56] we'll say $31.5 million just based off
[45:59] current estimates. If we could ever get
[46:02] interest rates to start coming back
[46:03] down, those numbers would improve uh and
[46:06] go up slightly, but that 1.9 million
[46:08] would remain the same. Again, our
[46:10] biggest concern is making sure we do not
[46:12] overburden the county. So, anyway, so
[46:15] that does put it in line with the
[46:17] numbers that we've seen from the Babcock
[46:19] team on projected dollar amounts to be
[46:22] able to afford this jail project. It may
[46:24] not afford everything, all the projects
[46:26] that are discussed tonight, but it's the
[46:28] essential ones, which I think is the
[46:30] most important ones. And so, anyways, uh
[46:33] I I just wanted to end with that. I
[46:35] don't believe I have any more slides,
[46:37] Quinn, unless there's just Okay,
[46:40] disclosures, all the fun lawyer stuff.
[46:42] So, anyways, I'll go ahead and stop
[46:43] there. I know I've taken too much time,
[46:45] but uh I'll go ahead and sit down and uh
[46:47] let turn it over to Mike and wait for
[46:49] any questions.
[46:56] All right. We have with us Mike Winder
[46:59] from
[47:01] um back Mil Creek.
[47:04] >> Mil Creek. Yep.
[47:05] >> Yeah. So, he's here to talk to us about
[47:07] some unique financing they did up in Mil
[47:10] Creek.
[47:11] >> Thank you. Great to be before the the
[47:13] Grand County Commission. I apologize I'm
[47:15] not there in person. Uh busy schedules
[47:17] up here in Mil Creek. I appreciate uh
[47:19] being introduced earlier on the agenda
[47:21] as mayor. I used to be the mayor of West
[47:23] Valley City. Some of you remember when I
[47:25] was in the state legislature and
[47:26] currently I' I've gone to the dark side,
[47:28] the light side, depending on how you
[47:30] call it, the staff side as as city
[47:32] manager here in Mil Creek. But we've
[47:34] done some amazing things with our city
[47:35] center here at Mil Creek Common. And so
[47:38] I've been asked to just take 10 minutes
[47:39] and share what we've done. Um so maybe
[47:42] this is inspirational or or
[47:44] perspirational. I'm not sure which. So
[47:46] let me share my screen here.
[47:48] The host has disabled participant screen
[47:50] sharing. Is there any way I can
[47:53] >> Oh, here we go. Okay, now I'm now I'm
[47:55] in.
[47:58] All right. And I'm going to go rapid
[48:00] fire, you guys, just to
[48:03] uh just to give you a taste. So, Mil
[48:06] Creek is we're in the east bench of Salt
[48:09] Lake City, Salt Lake County, just south
[48:11] of Salt Lake City. We have Olympus Cove
[48:13] all the way to the Jordan Rivers. You
[48:15] can see our neighbors, South Salt Lake,
[48:16] Holiday, Murray, even Taylor'sville and
[48:18] West Valley. Our main city center when
[48:21] we incorporated looked like this. You
[48:23] had some vacant buildings, an auto
[48:25] repair shop. This is, for those of you
[48:26] who may know, 33rd South, Highland
[48:28] Drive, and 13th East, just east of the
[48:31] Brickyard. After a few years at it, it's
[48:33] now transformed to look like this. And
[48:36] we're really excited with our city
[48:38] center efforts, and there may be some
[48:40] lessons here that can help Grand County
[48:42] as well. Um, so we we master planned
[48:45] this so it's centered around a common
[48:46] open space that we call Mil Creek Common
[48:49] and we've entitled over 1,800
[48:51] residential units, nearly 300,000 square
[48:53] ft of commercial. Uh, we have parking in
[48:56] here and numerous events programmed all
[48:58] throughout the year. Urban living is
[49:00] important. Uh, it's important to have
[49:02] people that live there and work there.
[49:04] It's important to have daytime traffic
[49:06] and nighttime traffic, lunch for the
[49:08] restaurants and dinner as well. And so
[49:11] we we have worked to attract apartments
[49:12] and increasingly condominiums for
[49:14] ownership to this area. Uh for example,
[49:17] right next door is a lovely apartment
[49:19] building high-end that just opened uh
[49:22] earlier this month where uh we have
[49:24] ground flooror retail. Now what's
[49:26] special about this one is they're
[49:27] sharing a parking garage with city hall.
[49:29] You can see that behind the swimming
[49:30] pool there and I'll I'll touch on that
[49:33] here in a moment. So Mil Creek Common is
[49:36] winter fun, largest outdoor ice in Utah.
[49:38] It's ice skating in the winter and it's
[49:40] roller skating in the summer. We also
[49:42] have a splash pad there. We have a
[49:44] climbing wall on the side of Mil Creek
[49:45] City Hall, largest outdoor climbing wall
[49:47] in Utah. And again, we have numerous
[49:49] events there throughout the year. So,
[49:51] first of all, what paid for Mil Creek
[49:53] Common? We formed a community
[49:55] reinvestment area. You're familiar, of
[49:56] course, with CRAAS and RDAs. We did a
[49:59] $20 million uh bond. It was sales tax
[50:03] backed because that's how you get the
[50:05] lowest interest rate. But our internal
[50:06] repayment is from the tax increment from
[50:09] that community reinvestment area. All
[50:11] these developers coming in to build
[50:12] office buildings and apartments say
[50:14] you're a CRA. Can I have some tax
[50:16] increment financing? And on all them
[50:18] we've said, "Nope. All the tiff is going
[50:20] towards paying back that bond, but you
[50:22] still want to come anyway because of
[50:23] this amazing public infrastructure." We
[50:26] were also able to get some grant support
[50:28] during CO and a half million dollar Utah
[50:30] outdoor recreation grant to pay for the
[50:31] skate loop. U the Salt Lake Tribune last
[50:34] year said, "Is this Utah's coolest city
[50:36] hall?" And we're biased, of course, we
[50:38] think it is, but it is fun to have a
[50:40] public market on the ground floor and to
[50:42] have a reception center, the Grand View
[50:44] on the sixth floor and to have farmers
[50:46] markets and different events going on.
[50:48] When we built this, the public didn't
[50:50] squawk and say, "This is a Taj Mahal for
[50:52] planners." They said, "Wow, there's
[50:54] actually something in it for us, a true
[50:56] community center." Uh, so what paid for
[50:58] city hall? We did a $39 million bond.
[51:02] And in this case, it's our interest. The
[51:04] good news is we have a pretty low
[51:06] interest rate because of when we did it.
[51:08] But our residents agreed that we're
[51:10] better to own than to rent. Before we
[51:12] were in a strip mall, an old uh we call
[51:15] it the city hall dollar because it's an
[51:17] old Dollar Tree. But now we actually own
[51:19] our building. So that's fun. We did get
[51:21] an outdoor recreation grant for the
[51:22] climbing wall and from Rocky Mountain
[51:24] Power Blue Sky grant for solar panels on
[51:26] the roof and those account for about 20
[51:29] to 25% of our electrical needs which are
[51:31] good and again co era money was always
[51:34] helpful as well. Uh the best is yet to
[51:36] come from Mil Creek Common. We just
[51:39] north of City Hall we have phase two
[51:40] under construction which in includes uh
[51:44] more green space, open space. Phase one
[51:46] is more the European hardscape, the town
[51:49] square, the plaza. Phase two is a lot
[51:51] lusher and greener, 138 trees, including
[51:54] a lot of aspens. It includes a mini golf
[51:56] course, uh the only mini golf course in
[51:59] the northern half of Salt Lake County.
[52:01] We're already paying people to manage a
[52:03] climbing wall and do the roller skates,
[52:04] so why not mini golf, too? Uh the holes
[52:07] are inspired by natural wonders, even
[52:09] Delicate Arch, uh the Bonavville Salt
[52:11] Flats, Little Sahara, and more. Uh, we
[52:14] have a skate canyon. We're the largest
[52:15] city in Utah without a skate park, but
[52:17] that will soon be remedied.
[52:19] We have this cool building called the
[52:21] treehouse in the middle. It's kind of a
[52:22] hangout space, restrooms, and storage.
[52:25] Uh, we have a splash creek. Our splash
[52:27] pads are very popular. So, to have a
[52:29] creek for the little kids to splash in,
[52:31] [snorts] we're super excited about with shade structures we've learned is
[52:34] important. And then, I love this one,
[52:36] our Milo the Moose play structure. Milo
[52:39] is our city mascot. And so, we have a
[52:41] moose play structure. And you can see
[52:43] you can climb up in them. There's a
[52:44] slide. There's areas to play on the
[52:46] outside. And phase two we paid for with
[52:49] cash. We received a million and a half
[52:51] tourism, recreation, culture grant from
[52:53] Salt Lake County. We did kick in a chunk
[52:56] from our general funds and park impact
[52:58] fees. We did get some of that COVID
[53:00] money, but also a million dollars Utah
[53:01] outdoor wreck. And then we worked with
[53:03] our federal lobbyists to get two and a
[53:05] half million from the National Park
[53:07] Service in a landwater conservation
[53:09] fund. So, it was truly a collaboration
[53:11] of city, county, state, and federal
[53:14] money to make phase 2 happen. Um, the
[53:17] next thing we're working on is East of
[53:19] the Common. We've relocated an art
[53:21] gallery and we're moving a gym over. Uh,
[53:24] the gym is being refurbished right now,
[53:26] the new gym building, and we're
[53:28] replacing that with a Hyatt Studios on
[53:30] the corner. We're the largest city in
[53:32] Utah without a hotel. We'll have a
[53:35] parking structure and then a retail
[53:36] condo building that's six stories. Then
[53:39] we'll bring the fine art in gallery back
[53:41] to the ground floor and we'll have the
[53:43] retail. Now, as as a city, we are the
[53:46] landlord of this future bookstore,
[53:48] coffee shop, and restaurant. And in city
[53:50] hall, we're currently the landlord of a
[53:52] pizza shop, a place called Noodle Head,
[53:55] and a Thirst. And for us, it's important
[53:58] to retain control because the last thing
[54:00] we wanted on our town square was an
[54:02] accountant's office that closes at 4
[54:04] p.m. We want to be activating that
[54:06] space, that shop utanement, if you will,
[54:09] is just important for us as a splash
[54:11] pad. Uh, so you can see the ground floor
[54:13] retail and the condos coming in. And so
[54:16] that'll be a nice development, too, that
[54:18] we're hoping to break ground on here in
[54:20] October. So, a lot of exciting things
[54:22] happening in Mil Creek Common. Uh,
[54:24] what's paying for East Common? We did do
[54:26] another bond with our AAA bond rating,
[54:28] but we are selling land to private
[54:30] developers for the hotel, for the
[54:32] condos, and then renting to them parking
[54:35] stalls. So, we can build a parking
[54:38] garage cheaper than they can. We can
[54:39] finance it certainly cheaper than they
[54:41] can. And by renting back to them, that
[54:43] helps their performer, but it gives us
[54:45] the mechanism to pay it back along with
[54:48] the the retail rents. Um, so eventually
[54:51] we're looking at doing some condos on
[54:53] the north side of Mil Creek Common, but
[54:55] the groundbreaking of that won't be till
[54:57] 2028. So, uh, those will be owner
[55:00] occupied condos. We're trying to have a
[55:02] nice mix of apartments, condos, and
[55:06] hotels. So, different uses in there. Uh,
[55:09] this is what chat GPT says will be the
[55:11] lovely people that will move into our
[55:12] condos when we're [laughter] done.
[55:14] Um, Mayor Jackson says the marine vet
[55:17] would should have a dog instead of a
[55:18] cat, but who am I to argue with AI,
[55:20] right? Anyway, so when it's all done,
[55:22] this is kind of what our town square
[55:23] will look like. You have the city hall
[55:25] with the climbing wall. You have a
[55:26] variety of ground flooror retail and
[55:28] residential units and that kind of this
[55:30] town square that brings everybody
[55:32] together. Um, there's kind of the look
[55:34] from phase two. So, I know that's kind
[55:36] of the the rapid fire
[55:39] um
[55:41] version of what's happening in Mil Creek
[55:42] Common. You guys did talk about parking
[55:44] structure. So, I'll just add one PS. The
[55:47] parking structure we built next door
[55:49] with the Westerly Apartments. Um, we
[55:52] didn't traffic. We looked at what the
[55:54] code would require them to do if they
[55:56] had to build their own parking. We
[55:58] looked at what we would do if we had to
[56:00] build our own parking for our city hall.
[56:01] And then we had a parking study look at
[56:03] if you did a shared parking analysis and
[56:06] you made that vin diagram, if you will,
[56:08] uh, where you can overlap what it does.
[56:10] And what it does is it reduced the
[56:12] number of of parking stalls required
[56:15] dramatically. And when parking stalls
[56:17] are 35 to 40k per stall, that's a big
[56:20] that saved them millions and us
[56:22] millions. We ended up paying 40% of the
[56:24] parking garage. They paid 60%. Um it
[56:27] literally just opened a few weeks ago
[56:29] and we're super excited about that
[56:31] public private partnership because it
[56:32] saved them money and us money. So, I
[56:35] know I just threw a lot out there, but
[56:37] uh in the Q&A, you can maybe pepper some
[56:39] more if you want to dig deeper, see how
[56:41] some of these things may apply to some
[56:42] of the projects you're considering there
[56:44] in Moab there in Grand County.
[56:48] >> Thank you. I think that's exciting to
[56:49] see what's happening around the state. I
[56:50] think Jacques has a question.
[56:52] >> No, I'm I'm good.
[56:54] Yeah, very sharing that. Very
[56:56] impressive. Thanks.
[56:58] >> Okay. Do we want to open it up to any
[57:00] questions for any one of them?
[57:05] Go ahead, Mary. Yes. Um, when you were
[57:07] talking about the sales tax, there's it
[57:09] doesn't have tax on gas as well,
[57:11] correct?
[57:12] >> Uh, I don't believe so. We looked into
[57:14] that and [clears throat] we're 99% sure
[57:17] that's correct. It's not on the gas or
[57:19] the unprepared food. So,
[57:20] >> I understood. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Or
[57:23] commissioner.
[57:25] >> M. [laughter]
[57:27] Oh, whoops.
[57:30] Sorry, Trish.
[57:34] » Oh, Trish, go ahead. Sorry.
[57:36] >> He's online.
[57:38] >> I didn't hear. Were you guys Were you
[57:39] guys making fun of me? And that's okay
[57:41] if you were.
[57:42] >> No, we were making sure we had our
[57:44] microphones. I apologize.
[57:45] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's okay. I can
[57:47] hear I I can hear you fine. Um I guess
[57:50] this is more for Jameson to speak to.
[57:52] I'd just like him to speak to um how
[57:55] many state inmates we currently house,
[57:57] how many we could house, and what that
[57:59] might mean for um just revenue that it
[58:03] brings into the county as far as the
[58:05] sheriff's department. I think it'd be
[58:07] great for just um all of the
[58:09] commissioners commissioners to
[58:11] understand that.
[58:13] >> Jameson, you want to come up to the
[58:14] table or to the podium? Either one.
[58:19] >> And did you hear my question or
[58:20] comments? Okay, thanks Jim.
[58:23] >> So, we house roughly seven to eight
[58:26] state inmates right now. They generate
[58:28] about $85, don't quote me on that, per
[58:31] day. The idea is obviously to increase
[58:34] the bed population, bring on more state
[58:37] inmates than it generates revenue. Uh
[58:41] like our neighboring county, San Juan
[58:43] County Sheriff's Office, they're
[58:44] doubling their bed population to do the
[58:47] same thing. Um,
[58:50] Iron County is doing that. And then the
[58:52] idea is is, you know, as Moab and Grant
[58:54] County continues to grow, if you need
[58:55] bed space, you give some state back.
[58:58] >> You have more programming for state
[58:59] inmates, then that the increases. It
[59:02] could go up to upwards of $100 a day per
[59:04] state inmate. But just by housing the
[59:07] seven inmates currently from the state
[59:09] of Utah, it pays for the entire food
[59:11] bill for the county. Um, it doesn't cost
[59:14] us anymore to have our lights on, but it
[59:16] generates revenue.
[59:20] » And then Jameson, if I'm correct, oh,
[59:22] sorry about that. I just jumped back in.
[59:25] >> Um, if if I'm correct, your state
[59:27] inmates also um do a number of jobs in
[59:30] the jails and outside the jail.
[59:33] >> Yeah, correct. Because we have a hard
[59:34] time hiring and maintaining staff. Uh,
[59:38] and so we had an assistant position for
[59:41] the kitchen. we can never keep staffed.
[59:43] And so those state inmates work is they cook the food, they uh clean the
[59:48] hallways, um they do the laundry. We
[59:51] also have them working out at OSA now,
[59:54] helping OSA um take care of the grounds.
[59:57] We have them on side of the highways
[59:59] helping pick up trash. They clean our
[1:00:01] vehicles at the sheriff's office. So
[1:00:04] kind of they do a lot but a lot of
[1:00:07] county jails have programming like
[1:00:09] Garfield County Sheriff's Office has
[1:00:12] embroidering work. We buy a lot of our
[1:00:14] stuff from Garfield County actually do
[1:00:17] the embroidering presses on the clothes.
[1:00:25] » I would entertain any any questions from
[1:00:28] the audience. Does anyone in the
[1:00:29] audience have any questions? Go ahead.
[1:00:32] And if you want to come up here so
[1:00:33] you're heard.
[1:00:35] >> I just have a like a click
[1:00:37] clarification question. I guess Jameson
[1:00:41] um can you help me understand if if if
[1:00:45] someone is placed in jail that I from my
[1:00:49] understanding I thought they were
[1:00:50] waiting for
[1:00:51] >> you want to come. Oh yeah.
[1:00:55] So if someone is um in jail, they're waiting for trial, right? Like
[1:01:01] it's an in between sure place, right?
[1:01:04] And so are we housing people that have
[1:01:07] already been convicted now?
[1:01:10] >> There's two things happening. We have
[1:01:11] county sentenced inmates that have been
[1:01:13] sentenced. They're in a different pod in
[1:01:15] our jail that have to do save six months
[1:01:18] for their sentence. They're going to be
[1:01:20] inside of our jail. And then we also
[1:01:21] have uh seven state inmates from the
[1:01:23] state of Utah that had been sentenced to
[1:01:25] prison, but the prisons decided to build
[1:01:28] a new prison smaller than the old one
[1:01:29] and they're out of space. So they're
[1:01:31] contracting with county jails to see if
[1:01:33] they'll take on inmates.
[1:01:34] >> So would we, if this were to this, would
[1:01:37] we now it would be considered a prison
[1:01:40] and not jail at that point?
[1:01:42] >> No.
[1:01:42] >> Right. So, so we're we're a county
[1:01:45] facility. So, anyone that's sentenced on
[1:01:47] a misdemeanor and sometimes on felonies
[1:01:50] will will have jail stay within the
[1:01:52] county facility. It's capped out at one
[1:01:54] year. So, an individual if they do,
[1:01:56] let's say, seven misdemeanor, the max
[1:01:59] they're going to do is about a year in
[1:02:00] jail. If they get sent to prison on a
[1:02:02] felony charge, then they're going to be
[1:02:04] sent normally sent out to the state
[1:02:06] prison. They'll do an orientation month
[1:02:10] or so. It's it's a little bit longer and
[1:02:12] Chief Bell or the sheriff can correct me
[1:02:14] on the length of time, but they do a
[1:02:15] they do an orientation stage and then
[1:02:18] some members of that population that are
[1:02:20] inmates, usually SOS is what they call
[1:02:23] them, sex offenders, oftent times will
[1:02:25] get um flagged or identified for
[1:02:28] potentially being able to be sent out to
[1:02:31] local jails because of the uh inherent
[1:02:33] rate risk and danger of certain
[1:02:35] positions. And so those individuals come
[1:02:38] and sheriff whenever you know, you think
[1:02:42] um some of those individuals will come
[1:02:43] down and then take on like work
[1:02:45] positions and help out. Um and so that's kind of how we do it as a mix. So
[1:02:50] in our population, you'll have those
[1:02:52] that are post sentencing on county
[1:02:53] charges, theoretically folks from the
[1:02:55] state inmate, and then people that are
[1:02:56] waiting for the adjudication or the
[1:02:58] resolution of their case as well.
[1:03:00] >> Okay. Then to follow up since I have
[1:03:02] your attention, what are the leg what's
[1:03:04] the legal how does it work when you have
[1:03:06] I'm going to say pedophiles um like a
[1:03:10] real close to a school like the
[1:03:11] monastery school being there.
[1:03:13] >> We don't we don't house any sex
[1:03:15] offenders.
[1:03:16] >> I mean like if this if we were to move
[1:03:18] you I know that he had mentioned that.
[1:03:20] So I guess that was just a an example.
[1:03:22] >> Different so a couple different
[1:03:23] questions. So you're are you talking
[1:03:25] about somebody that's released?
[1:03:26] >> No. Um no if they're that's my question.
[1:03:29] If they're if they're consider if
[1:03:30] they've been convicted, it's okay for
[1:03:32] them to be in a jail close to a school.
[1:03:35] That's fine, right?
[1:03:36] >> Yeah.
[1:03:37] >> Go ahead. I know that's a simple
[1:03:38] question. I just wanted to clarify that.
[1:03:41] >> Yeah. Just one other clarifying thing,
[1:03:43] too. And Sher can correct me on this if
[1:03:45] I'm wrong, but um any state inmates that
[1:03:48] are farmed out to county facilities,
[1:03:50] they're not released back into that
[1:03:52] camp. They they go back to to the prison
[1:03:54] for pre-release and and whatnot there.
[1:03:57] So, so just to clarify, I think um so, if this gets built as is, the the
[1:04:04] actual prison demographics will not be
[1:04:07] unchanged from what we have now.
[1:04:09] >> Correct. We won't be looking at any any
[1:04:11] type of new prisoners. It'll be the same
[1:04:13] people that we're already housing in our
[1:04:15] jail. It'll just be
[1:04:16] >> just depends on if we have if we have
[1:04:19] more room and we take on more
[1:04:21] programming, we can acquire different
[1:04:22] types of incentives.
[1:04:26] That's your question.
[1:04:27] >> I think so. James, yes.
[1:04:29] >> Mary,
[1:04:29] >> what do you mean? You've used the word
[1:04:31] programming and I'm not sure what you're
[1:04:35] referring to when you're saying
[1:04:36] programming.
[1:04:37] >> Programming such as uh take for example,
[1:04:41] sex offenders, licensed therapists,
[1:04:43] different types of classes to kind of
[1:04:45] get them rehabilitated to go back out
[1:04:46] when they are done completing their sentence. Other type of
[1:04:51] programming would include schools inside
[1:04:53] the the jails, uh finishing your GED,
[1:04:56] getting a degree, a college degree,
[1:05:00] welding classes. Those programming um is
[1:05:03] what I'm referring to. It's it's just an
[1:05:05] extra
[1:05:07] learning facility, learning.
[1:05:11] >> And typically the state, I believe, will
[1:05:13] pay more too if you offer those
[1:05:15] programs. So it's not like you're doing
[1:05:16] it at the expense of the taxpayer.
[1:05:18] you're doing it because the state's
[1:05:20] going to pay you a higher permium to be
[1:05:22] able to have that program in place
[1:05:24] versus uh not
[1:05:27] >> what I thought you meant, but I didn't
[1:05:28] want to walk away and not sure
[1:05:31] >> have my assumption wrong.
[1:05:33] >> And the idea too with is to design some
[1:05:36] overall space that we call programming
[1:05:38] space that can be really it's a lot of
[1:05:40] multi-purpose space. So it can be the
[1:05:43] same rooms or spaces can be used for
[1:05:46] multiple different types of functions.
[1:05:48] So, it gives the sheriff and the jail
[1:05:49] commander the ability to to kind of uh
[1:05:52] customize some of those programs, but
[1:05:54] it's everything from religious to
[1:05:55] education, vocational to therapeutic and
[1:05:58] so on. So,
[1:06:00] >> and I think it's important to think as
[1:06:02] we think about this that creates jobs.
[1:06:05] So, and they're jobs that are outside of
[1:06:06] our visitor economy. So, those are jobs
[1:06:08] we do 247 365 days a year as well. So,
[1:06:13] and then Trish has her hand up. Oh,
[1:06:16] >> listen to
[1:06:19] >> Are you ready for me to go, Mel?
[1:06:20] >> Yes. Go ahead, Trish.
[1:06:22] >> So, yeah, I'll just talk a little bit
[1:06:24] about my my work in the jails, but then
[1:06:27] I I also kind of want to ask Jameson a
[1:06:29] couple more questions. So, I've been
[1:06:31] working in the jails, I think, for
[1:06:32] almost about 20 years now. Um, p
[1:06:35] pertaining to just basic educational
[1:06:37] programming. But, you know, the county
[1:06:39] jail is extremely girdled as far as the
[1:06:41] facility and what it can provide. And so
[1:06:44] I I really think you could some of that
[1:06:46] program cram program programming could
[1:06:48] just explode. I mean right now we have a
[1:06:51] few um computer pla uh platforms that
[1:06:55] allow students some some opportunities.
[1:06:58] But I really think you you know but
[1:07:01] we're constantly like vying with whether
[1:07:03] it be court you know video court and or
[1:07:07] um religious programming to have enough
[1:07:09] space to to be able to for those
[1:07:12] students to get what they need. So I
[1:07:14] think an expanded space would do a
[1:07:16] tremendous amount for education and
[1:07:19] education reduces recidivism
[1:07:22] exponentially. And then lastly, Jameson,
[1:07:25] do you mind speaking to, you know, a few
[1:07:27] of the things that I've noticed when
[1:07:29] you're in there is, you know,
[1:07:30] unfortunately they the Grand County Jail
[1:07:33] houses people that are detoxing and so
[1:07:37] that is a huge
[1:07:39] burden on um you know, the officers in
[1:07:43] there. And then also individuals that
[1:07:46] are dealing with mental illness and
[1:07:48] sometimes they have to house individuals
[1:07:50] like that for extremely long periods of
[1:07:52] time because there's not another bed for
[1:07:56] them and other facilities. So Jameson, I
[1:07:57] don't know if you want to talk about
[1:07:58] that and what that layers on to the
[1:08:02] officers that are working within the
[1:08:03] jails.
[1:08:05] Yeah. So that that's another uh point of
[1:08:08] focus is we need more holding facilities
[1:08:11] uh prior to being placed in a general
[1:08:13] population. We're limited on the space
[1:08:16] for general or for our holding
[1:08:17] facilities. Uh when we experienced COVID
[1:08:21] that was a nightmare. We didn't have the space to segregate individuals uh
[1:08:27] for the two weeks prior to placing them
[1:08:29] into the pods. Uh we we also have no
[1:08:34] medical facility inside the jail. Um,
[1:08:38] most new jails, all new jails have
[1:08:40] medical wings inside the jail facility.
[1:08:42] So, when we have an issue, we typically
[1:08:44] have to transport them to MRH uh for
[1:08:47] treatment.
[1:08:49] Um, but yeah, so we we we could
[1:08:52] definitely use the the holding
[1:08:54] facilities, the mental health thing.
[1:08:57] People often think jails are mental
[1:08:59] health facilities, which they're not.
[1:09:01] Um, and so when we have to house an
[1:09:05] inmate that has having mental health
[1:09:06] problems, they're in the same area as
[1:09:10] the other inmates that are currently
[1:09:12] waiting their assessment to go into
[1:09:14] general population.
[1:09:18] the behavioral mental health issues a
[1:09:20] major problem for law enforcement
[1:09:24] everywhere because unfortunately the
[1:09:26] county jails become the de facto mental
[1:09:29] health care provider because there's no
[1:09:31] other alternative and um we're starting
[1:09:34] to see more attention being paid to
[1:09:37] that. We just started working with Salt
[1:09:39] Lake County on a on an expansion study
[1:09:42] for them where having a behavioral
[1:09:45] mental health aspect where call it
[1:09:48] diversion where when somebody is brought
[1:09:50] in if they're uh mentally ill or they're
[1:09:56] detoxing they actually go to they're
[1:09:58] actually diverted to a different part of
[1:10:00] the jail that's not the actual jail um
[1:10:03] so that it can be determined what sort
[1:10:05] of help they
[1:10:07] that wasn't considered for this
[1:10:08] particular feasibility study, but what
[1:10:12] Sheriff Wick can just say is absolutely
[1:10:14] correct that um long-term solving that
[1:10:18] mental health um
[1:10:21] aspect is very important because it does create a very much a burden and
[1:10:26] it and it create also creates liability
[1:10:28] for the county too. Um, so being able to
[1:10:31] have a way to temporarily
[1:10:35] house and treat individuals that fit
[1:10:38] certain profiles like that could take a
[1:10:41] big burden off off every sheriff. Um, as
[1:10:45] well as um get the those people the
[1:10:48] proper help today.
[1:10:52] » Melissa, did you have a question? Will
[1:10:53] you come up to the post?
[1:10:54] >> Yeah, I was clarifying. Thank you.
[1:10:57] asked how many beds there were like 64.
[1:10:59] What's the occupancy rate if that's the
[1:11:01] right term, but like is there annual?
[1:11:04] >> So, it just depends on um we just
[1:11:06] recently added a pre-trial service
[1:11:09] deputy position that's 100% paid for by
[1:11:11] a grant. And what pre-trial does is it
[1:11:14] helps take the burden off of the the
[1:11:17] inmate population. Um and so right now I
[1:11:21] think we have 30 people inside of our
[1:11:23] jail. However, our pre-trial service
[1:11:25] deputy has about 30 something people on
[1:11:27] his plate. So, if we didn't have him
[1:11:30] your max capacity
[1:11:33] um and so we just were it sounds like we
[1:11:35] just got a uh another grant to pay for
[1:11:39] that position again. But if that money
[1:11:40] runs out, do we keep funding that
[1:11:43] position? What do we do? But it's hard
[1:11:45] to give you an exact number like where
[1:11:47] we typically stay at, but um usually
[1:11:50] around 40 to 30 to 40 people is what our
[1:11:55] current jail house is with the pre-trial
[1:11:57] service deputy
[1:11:59] >> plus state plus state.
[1:12:00] >> Uh no, that would include state.
[1:12:04] >> Commission,
[1:12:06] >> I've got some questions, but I'd like to
[1:12:08] follow up on that just a little bit. So,
[1:12:09] if you do have that block of rooms
[1:12:11] available, why aren't we looking to the
[1:12:13] state right now to fill those?
[1:12:15] >> Because you got to house the state
[1:12:16] inmates with state inmates. Um, so I
[1:12:20] don't want to put our state inmates in
[1:12:21] with our unsentenced county inmates.
[1:12:24] There's rules requirements from the
[1:12:26] state. We also have a little section for
[1:12:28] females. Uh, we don't want to put some
[1:12:30] of females obviously. Uh, our female pot
[1:12:34] is extremely tiny.
[1:12:37] typically out of space with the female
[1:12:39] pods. U but yeah, I mean if it was that
[1:12:43] easy, we would just already have state
[1:12:45] in land right now, but it's
[1:12:49] we don't have the space to house any
[1:12:50] state in our current road for the state
[1:12:53] inmates.
[1:12:55] >> Okay. And then my questions are along
[1:12:58] the line we've talked about programs um
[1:13:01] additional staff.
[1:13:05] Is there studies showing what the future
[1:13:08] costs of those are going to be on the
[1:13:09] county? Because as we're in the middle
[1:13:12] of a budget season right now, every time
[1:13:14] we add one more employee,
[1:13:16] we're we're building a bigger balloon
[1:13:18] here. And as we all are aware, we're
[1:13:20] coming out of a economic slump somewhat
[1:13:22] here. So looking at do we have plans for
[1:13:26] maybe a future impact study what this is
[1:13:29] actually going to cost the county
[1:13:31] outside of what we're bonding to build
[1:13:34] this unit.
[1:13:36] I think ultimately
[1:13:38] if you if you proceed with actual design
[1:13:41] and you start defining the parameters
[1:13:43] more specifically then it's much easier
[1:13:45] to answer that question because it's
[1:13:47] they're they're interrelated. The bed
[1:13:49] count's going to drive obviously
[1:13:50] staffing requirements um for the GL
[1:13:53] staff, but there may be other elements
[1:13:57] that could be incorporated with the
[1:13:59] facility. Dispatch 911 as as an example
[1:14:04] um that may have the opportunity to
[1:14:08] expand. So having that conversation once
[1:14:13] some of those parameters were more
[1:14:15] clearly defined would be um I mean
[1:14:18] that's that's typically what every every
[1:14:20] county does in parallel to doing these
[1:14:22] projects is as we go through the design
[1:14:25] process they're also evaluating what is
[1:14:28] the reality in terms of staffing costs
[1:14:32] and operational costs. I I would think
[1:14:35] that we need those operational costs
[1:14:37] before any decisions are made though.
[1:14:39] Correct. I mean, we we really can't just
[1:14:42] guess that we're going to be able to No.
[1:14:45] Yeah. And I'm not suggesting that you're
[1:14:46] guessing. Just suggesting that you u
[1:14:50] you're making decisions along the way.
[1:14:52] Like bed count for example.
[1:14:55] The concept that's been shown is 100.
[1:14:57] That's not the right amount. It might be
[1:15:00] less than that. There might also be
[1:15:02] could go in the other direction of well
[1:15:04] we really like the idea of bringing more
[1:15:07] contract inmates because like I said
[1:15:09] Beaver County is quite small. They have
[1:15:12] a [clears throat] 400 bed jail about 300
[1:15:15] of them are are state inmates and they
[1:15:18] generate roughly $8 million a year in
[1:15:21] revenue for Beaver County. Um that's a purposeful decision that was
[1:15:26] made by that county to make the
[1:15:30] investment in their jail to be able to
[1:15:32] enhance that and it obviously creates a whole completely different dynamic.
[1:15:37] the design decisions that are made along
[1:15:38] the way. You start with a big idea and
[1:15:41] as you as we go through the process,
[1:15:44] those things have to be defined fairly
[1:15:45] early in the process so that we're not
[1:15:48] chasing our tail design wise. But it's a dialogue that happens constantly
[1:15:53] between the design team and the county
[1:15:57] um as we're going through that process
[1:15:59] to be able to say, "Look, we'd love 200
[1:16:02] beds, but that's just not make sure we
[1:16:04] can only go 100 or 120, whatever that
[1:16:06] is." So, it's it's a little chicken and
[1:16:08] egg, but it it's not done in the dark or
[1:16:14] crossing our fingers and hoping it'll
[1:16:15] work out. It's very it's much more
[1:16:17] methodical than that.
[1:16:18] >> Go ahead.
[1:16:19] >> We we set the
[1:16:21] 120 bed count with the idea of not
[1:16:23] increasing any more jail staff. So, we
[1:16:25] think that we could take on 120 inmates
[1:16:27] without having to hire any more new
[1:16:28] deputies. And then past that, we'll have
[1:16:31] to hire more deputies. And that's what I
[1:16:34] noticed too. Going to that pod design
[1:16:36] seemed to be a very efficient design, at
[1:16:38] least with some of the other ones. So,
[1:16:40] it didn't seem to have a a huge labor
[1:16:42] increase or additional manpower increase
[1:16:45] or not as nearly as much as you'd think
[1:16:47] with the bed count going up
[1:16:49] significantly. And then also too, just
[1:16:51] as a reminder, when we're running those
[1:16:53] numbers and analysis for to pay for the
[1:16:55] debt service, we're being conservative
[1:16:58] by design because we want additional
[1:17:00] buffers from that 2216 potentially help
[1:17:03] offset if there is a surprise expense
[1:17:05] where additional employees needed to
[1:17:07] help reach that, you know, help that
[1:17:09] person. But also too, we're not
[1:17:11] including any of our analysis the
[1:17:13] additional revenues that could be
[1:17:15] generated by those beds. So just quick
[1:17:18] math here on my laptop, additional beds,
[1:17:21] 60 beds, 80 beds or $80 per DM if those
[1:17:24] were to be filled would be close to a
[1:17:26] million and a half over a million and a
[1:17:27] half dollars a year of additional
[1:17:29] revenue. Now we know it's not going to
[1:17:30] be 100% filled, right? Potentially, but
[1:17:33] that would be a significant portion of
[1:17:35] any manpower or other expenses that
[1:17:38] aren't being anticipated right now would
[1:17:40] flow into those revenues. And by design,
[1:17:42] we're not using those revenues because
[1:17:45] we know they're probably going to be
[1:17:46] needed in some way, shape, or form as
[1:17:48] that new facility comes online.
[1:17:50] >> Well, I have one last question and then
[1:17:52] I'll let it go to somebody else. But you
[1:17:54] talked about 8 million in revenue at
[1:17:56] Beaver County and now you're talking
[1:17:58] about revenue here, but that's not
[1:18:00] profit.
[1:18:02] >> Correct. That would be the perdm. And
[1:18:04] so,
[1:18:05] >> so, but we have costs out of that
[1:18:06] revenue,
[1:18:07] >> correct? It's not going to be straight
[1:18:09] net profit of $80 free and clear, but a
[1:18:12] lot of times from what we've seen, there
[1:18:14] is an economies of scale there. As the
[1:18:16] sheriff brought up, when the lights are
[1:18:18] on, the lights are on and whoever's in
[1:18:19] that pods using that, right? And so,
[1:18:22] yes, you won't be able to capture that
[1:18:24] full 80 as net profit, but the more
[1:18:27] inmates you have in within that pod, the
[1:18:30] more efficient you are. So it may not be
[1:18:32] a one one or close to that, but it's
[1:18:34] definitely going to be a lot more
[1:18:35] efficient as far as having 70 inmates
[1:18:38] versus 120. You're usually going to get
[1:18:40] a lot more of that revenue rate.
[1:18:43] >> The other thing to add with the state
[1:18:44] inmates, you don't pay for any of their
[1:18:46] medical costs. The state of Utah pays
[1:18:47] for that. All of our county inmates, the
[1:18:49] county facilitates paying medical costs
[1:18:52] while they're incarcerated.
[1:18:54] So state inmate needs something medical
[1:18:56] wise, the countyy's not on the hook for
[1:18:58] that. The state of Utah is paying for
[1:18:59] that. All
[1:19:00] right, I want to wrap this up in like
[1:19:02] three minutes, but I do see our gel
[1:19:03] commander Shan in the back. Do you have
[1:19:05] anything that you want to add to this
[1:19:06] conversation? We just listen. You
[1:19:08] >> guys have questions for me.
[1:19:10] >> Okay. I just wanted to check. Um, so I
[1:19:12] see I have Commissioner Mccertie and
[1:19:16] then I saw Jason Taylor, Councilman
[1:19:18] Taylor in the audience, too. So,
[1:19:20] >> oh, and Trish has her hand up. So, we'll
[1:19:22] go that way.
[1:19:23] >> I know when we're not able to use it for
[1:19:25] uh
[1:19:27] debt servicing. Uh well, we can use it
[1:19:28] for deer, but we can't use it to bond
[1:19:30] against. But, uh there's also a fee that
[1:19:33] goes with the courthouse.
[1:19:35] >> Uh there's also a fee that goes with
[1:19:38] I we uh we will need to uh
[1:19:44] there's not a fee that goes with it, but
[1:19:46] uh the courthouse pays us.
[1:19:49] >> Correct.
[1:19:49] >> Yeah. And and so all those things go
[1:19:52] into it. I think just I I wouldn't get
[1:19:54] so much in the weeds right now, but just
[1:19:56] know if you kind of imagine that the
[1:19:57] county has the pot of money, right? We
[1:19:59] just have to specifically identify which
[1:20:01] ones would be used for the financing.
[1:20:03] But internally, you know, that those
[1:20:06] monies can be shifted around between
[1:20:08] your sales tax and your other revenues.
[1:20:10] just bond holders when they purchase or
[1:20:12] invest in bonds, they want to know that
[1:20:14] there's a secure source of revenue like
[1:20:16] a 2216 that's associated with taxable
[1:20:19] sales and not necessarily associated
[1:20:21] with state contracts with inmates and so
[1:20:24] forth. So, we're again we're just
[1:20:26] looking for the avenue that's kind of a
[1:20:27] proven litmus test of what's going to
[1:20:29] get you the best bond rating to get you
[1:20:32] the lower lowest interest rates and then
[1:20:35] but internally as revenues flow in have
[1:20:37] a lot of discretion how that's moved
[1:20:39] around. So, as you're setting your
[1:20:41] budgets,
[1:20:43] >> Jason, do you want to come up and ask?
[1:20:48] » First of all, I want to say to um city
[1:20:50] manager Linder that he forgot the the
[1:20:52] real anchor of Milary Commons is
[1:20:54] Crownber.
[1:20:58] » You know, that's actually true. When we
[1:20:59] did like a community outreach and we did
[1:21:02] kind of like Soundcloud image things,
[1:21:04] Crownber was just huge. And so despite
[1:21:06] all the changes, you got to keep some of
[1:21:08] these great old businesses around.
[1:21:09] >> I And I want to say that I've been to
[1:21:11] Mil Creek Commons and it's a it's a
[1:21:12] beautiful it's an incredible place. And
[1:21:14] um so I wanted to see like what if you
[1:21:17] guys could draw the correlation between
[1:21:19] Mil Creek Commons and this public safety
[1:21:21] facility because to me they're two very
[1:21:23] different things. You know, Mil Creek
[1:21:24] Commons is place where people gather,
[1:21:26] where people hang out. You know, you
[1:21:27] guys have they have winter festivals.
[1:21:29] They have everything that we would want
[1:21:30] in Moab to have, you know, within our
[1:21:33] city center. And so I'm just having a
[1:21:35] hard time drawing that correlation
[1:21:36] between this um public safety building
[1:21:39] and and um and why we're being kind of
[1:21:43] talked to about it with the Mil Creek,
[1:21:45] you know, with Milreek comments stuff.
[1:21:47] So I wonder if someone can do that and
[1:21:48] show us.
[1:21:49] >> I I could take a shot at I mean
[1:21:51] >> yeah, you know, one of the I think one
[1:21:53] of the reasons I think the biggest
[1:21:55] parallel isn't necessarily that we're
[1:21:57] trying to
[1:22:00] go back up there. Hey Rob, maybe stand
[1:22:04] up here so folks online.
[1:22:06] >> That's great.
[1:22:07] >> Um
[1:22:08] I I think the parallel we're trying to show here isn't that we're we're
[1:22:14] talking about the same exact sort of
[1:22:16] program. Really, I think what uh the
[1:22:20] most important portrayal here is those
[1:22:22] first two slides Mike showed you. If if
[1:22:25] any of you remember what it used to look
[1:22:27] like uh north of 33rd in between
[1:22:29] Highland and 13th for the last as long
[1:22:33] as I can remember um until you got to
[1:22:35] like the Villa Theater, it was pretty it
[1:22:38] was very industrial and um the
[1:22:41] transformation that's happened uh has
[1:22:44] been phenomenal and there have been very
[1:22:46] purposeful choices made by Mil Creek
[1:22:48] City to do those the things that they
[1:22:49] have done. But I think what we're trying
[1:22:51] to suggest is um looking at when you
[1:22:55] look at the property, it's it's what
[1:22:58] could it be? And each community has its
[1:23:01] own needs and its own stairs. Mil Creek
[1:23:04] obviously is a fairly new city. Um and
[1:23:09] you know, I I I went to their old city
[1:23:11] hall and and it was it was in that strip
[1:23:14] mall that's over on the kitty corner
[1:23:16] from where it is now. you know, they've
[1:23:18] they needed to create a new identity,
[1:23:20] new city center, but to Mike's credit
[1:23:22] and the rest of the Mil Creek city.
[1:23:25] They've been very steadfast and worked
[1:23:28] very hard. They made it look like easy
[1:23:30] that it just kind of transformed
[1:23:32] overnight. It it was a lot of work and I admire Mike's energy. Um Mike's
[1:23:37] giving me a tour. Mike has way more
[1:23:39] energy than I do. Um which is good
[1:23:42] because the work they had to do to get
[1:23:44] where they got was very important. But I
[1:23:46] think what we're trying to show here is
[1:23:48] that the jail is is a clear and very
[1:23:51] important need. And by adding in this uh
[1:23:56] other component of a parking structure
[1:23:58] with a retail element, what we're trying
[1:24:00] to do is that kind of the city facing or
[1:24:03] the town facing
[1:24:05] takes on more of a public use and not
[1:24:08] only solves your public safety issue,
[1:24:11] but solves a real problem that that
[1:24:13] happens here in Moab.
[1:24:15] um with the parking situation, but it
[1:24:18] also creates more opportunities for
[1:24:21] interaction, more economic growth, and
[1:24:25] you know, we obviously gather no one's
[1:24:27] going to go down to the jail for the
[1:24:29] Super Bowl party, you know. Um, so
[1:24:32] they're they're really solving two
[1:24:34] different problems, but we saw an
[1:24:37] opportunity here with the configuration
[1:24:39] of the land and the size of the jail
[1:24:41] needs to be to meet needs of the sheriff
[1:24:44] that maybe we could do both things here.
[1:24:46] And like I mentioned before too, they're
[1:24:47] they are from a funding and and project
[1:24:51] point, they're two completely separate
[1:24:52] projects, but we like to think about
[1:24:55] things in their overall context rather
[1:24:58] than just on the site. So hopefully that
[1:25:00] answers your question.
[1:25:01] >> You know, I'll chime in too if I may
[1:25:03] because it's a great question. If
[1:25:05] anything else, I hope sharing our
[1:25:07] example in Mil Creek G help gives you a
[1:25:09] license to think big and to think dream
[1:25:12] to dream big and to think what if. Um I
[1:25:15] also would hope it gives you a license
[1:25:17] to maybe add some creative touches and
[1:25:19] to be a little whimsical and have a
[1:25:21] little fun with it. St. George City
[1:25:23] tooured our place and then later on
[1:25:25] ended up with their parking structure.
[1:25:27] They added some slippery slides in St.
[1:25:29] George coming down off their parking
[1:25:30] structure and it's awesome. Why not? And
[1:25:34] so there there's some unique interesting
[1:25:35] things I would say too with that ground
[1:25:37] flooror retail in your parking
[1:25:39] structure. Uh you're going to have
[1:25:40] people who are working at your county
[1:25:42] center. You're going to have people
[1:25:44] visiting at your county center. People
[1:25:46] will be utilizing that retail if it's
[1:25:48] there. And so I think looking for ways
[1:25:50] to mix the uses that maybe normally
[1:25:52] wouldn't be mixed is very smart of you
[1:25:54] all to be thinking about. And that level
[1:25:55] of creativity that you're being
[1:25:57] presented today, I think does have some
[1:25:59] good analoges.
[1:26:01] >> Thank you, Mike. You had your hand up,
[1:26:03] but you put it down. Are you good?
[1:26:06] >> Um, yeah. I just maybe just 30 seconds.
[1:26:08] I just want to state that, you know, we
[1:26:11] Sheriff Wiggins has done a tremendous
[1:26:12] job with the jails. Commander Hackwell
[1:26:15] is is just phenomenal in there. I've was
[1:26:18] I've been there long enough to have gone
[1:26:20] through a couple jail commanders and our corrections officers are just
[1:26:24] phenomenal. But I think to give them a
[1:26:27] facility where they are able to provide
[1:26:30] the services that they need to while at
[1:26:33] the same time reducing liability is is
[1:26:35] of utmost importance. And then gathering
[1:26:38] more state inmates is I think a great
[1:26:40] thing. It'll really bring in a lot of
[1:26:42] revenue that will help us run those
[1:26:44] facilities. So just my thoughts.
[1:26:46] >> All right. Thank you, Jock. Did you have
[1:26:48] one last comment?
[1:26:49] >> Yeah, I was just going to um uh and
[1:26:51] thanks for the for pointing uh things
[1:26:53] out, Jason, but just to maybe touch back
[1:26:56] on that and then I think Rob did a great
[1:26:57] job with that also is uh we we've been
[1:26:59] talking about a jail and needing needing
[1:27:01] new facilities and and since I was
[1:27:03] elected six years ago, also the sheriff
[1:27:05] um sheriff's office is outgrow that's the old library the sheriff's got
[1:27:08] half of and and we have we have
[1:27:11] facilities all over the county that are
[1:27:13] just kind of mish mash. Um, so this is a
[1:27:15] great opportunity to to kill a few birds
[1:27:18] with with one stone and also transform
[1:27:21] the city block. This county county
[1:27:23] mostly county block is if you go out and
[1:27:26] walk the streets, it's just kind of a
[1:27:27] mishmash of old buildings. The bus barn
[1:27:29] out there, it probably needs to be torn
[1:27:30] down. There's just um just a lot of
[1:27:32] different hodge podge construction. And
[1:27:34] this is a great um opportunity to kind
[1:27:37] of tie the whole thing together and give
[1:27:39] back something to Moab. I love the idea
[1:27:41] of some retail. We need we need
[1:27:42] commercials badly. We need parking
[1:27:44] badly. Um and and also Rob, you didn't
[1:27:47] give us the opportunity to uh to ask you
[1:27:49] for a climbing wall on that. So maybe
[1:27:52] next
[1:27:54] I'm going to wrap up this session so we
[1:27:56] can have a few minute break before our
[1:27:58] regular commission meeting. So thank you
[1:27:59] all for coming. We really appreciate it.
[1:28:02] And we're going to recess for five
[1:28:03] minutes and come back at 42
[1:28:07] for commission meeting. Thank you. Thank
[1:28:09] you.
[1:42:21] All
[1:42:33] right. I would like to call this regular
[1:42:35] commission meeting of the Grand County
[1:42:37] Commission to order at 4:12 on August
[1:42:41] 18th. And in attendance we have
[1:42:44] Commissioner Haden online, Commissioner
[1:42:47] Martinez online, Commissioner Hadler,
[1:42:50] Commissioner Man, Commissioner Mccertie,
[1:42:52] Commissioner Winfield, myself,
[1:42:54] Commissioner McCand as our county
[1:42:56] attorney Steven Stocks, administrator
[1:42:58] Mark Tiner, Chantel Lindsay as our
[1:43:02] finance director, and associate
[1:43:03] administrator Quinn Hall.
[1:43:06] And let's go ahead and stand for the
[1:43:07] pledge of allegiance.
[1:43:12] Pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:43:14] United States of America to the republic
[1:43:17] for which it stands. One nation
[1:43:21] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[1:43:23] all.
[1:43:28] » Okay. And with that we will start. We
[1:43:30] have some department reports today and
[1:43:34] Kate Finley from our emergency
[1:43:36] management director is going to start us
[1:43:38] off.
[1:43:51] to share that screen.
[1:43:53] >> Yeah. Um Clint's in the back.
[1:44:02] You go.
[1:44:07] » Okay.
[1:44:09] All
[1:44:16] right, you should be good.
[1:44:29] Okay, good afternoon. There is a lot in
[1:44:31] this presentation, but in the interest
[1:44:33] of time, I am going to be summarizing
[1:44:35] and then hitting highlights as much as
[1:44:37] possible.
[1:44:40] One focus area for emergency management
[1:44:43] this year has been writing and updating
[1:44:45] plans. When I started, we had recently
[1:44:48] adopted our base emergency operation
[1:44:50] plan that outlines statutory authority
[1:44:52] during emergencies and base operations.
[1:44:55] It doesn't go in detail for specific
[1:44:58] situations. So, a lot of what you see
[1:45:00] here supplements that plan and gives
[1:45:02] specificity to a fairly scenarios might
[1:45:05] see ourselves in. The exception is that
[1:45:08] final bullet point, the community
[1:45:10] wildfire readiness plan, which was a
[1:45:12] required five-year rewrite for the
[1:45:14] state.
[1:45:20] Once you have your plans, you have to
[1:45:22] conduct exercises to train on and
[1:45:24] validate those plans. So, this year, I
[1:45:27] wrote and facilitated a wildfire
[1:45:29] evacuation tabletop and a flood
[1:45:31] tabletop. I'm also working with the
[1:45:33] school district on a couple of different
[1:45:35] school
[1:45:36] security exercises.
[1:45:41] In addition, there were a number of
[1:45:43] exercises I participated in locally with
[1:45:46] other agencies, private partners, and
[1:45:48] our healthcare preparedness coalition.
[1:45:56] Another focus area for the year has been
[1:45:59] executing on various grant projects. So
[1:46:02] as you can see it's combination of
[1:46:04] infrastructure and equipment focused on
[1:46:07] response as well as community
[1:46:08] resilience.
[1:46:18] Also been working on outreach. So this
[1:46:21] spring and summer, I've done a lot of
[1:46:23] fire and flood preparedness outreach in
[1:46:25] conjunction with the fire break
[1:46:26] campaign.
[1:46:28] I also recorded some monsoon season
[1:46:30] flood PFAS with the sheriff that are
[1:46:33] running on KZMU. If you've heard mine,
[1:46:36] I'm sorry. Sheriff did a much better job
[1:46:38] than I did.
[1:46:43] And then a couple of other projects that
[1:46:45] I just wanted to highlight. One is the
[1:46:47] flood warning system. So this is
[1:46:49] something that was requested by my
[1:46:51] predecessor through the division of
[1:46:53] emergency management's direct technical
[1:46:55] assistance program. I've been working
[1:46:57] over the last year with contractor to
[1:46:59] develop the warning dashboard that you
[1:47:02] can see on screen. So just kind of
[1:47:04] developing and then refining that
[1:47:06] project as we've gone through monsoon
[1:47:08] season.
[1:47:13] I've been part of an inter agency effort
[1:47:15] to develop sight specific signage at
[1:47:17] high flood risk trail heads around the
[1:47:19] county
[1:47:23] and I've been working on an EOC
[1:47:25] handbook. So what you're looking at is
[1:47:27] out of our base emergency operations
[1:47:29] plan. This is what it would look like if
[1:47:32] we had to stand up an emergency
[1:47:33] operations center to support an
[1:47:35] incident. So, if you look, there's an
[1:47:38] awful lot of positions on the screen.
[1:47:40] Um, I've been working to write either a
[1:47:44] binder with job aids or just a clipboard
[1:47:46] checklist so that every person who comes
[1:47:48] into the EOC and has to slot into this
[1:47:50] position maybe isn't familiar with what
[1:47:52] it is that they're doing, they have
[1:47:54] something to hold on to as a starting
[1:47:56] place.
[1:48:04] And then I've been working with the GIS
[1:48:06] specialist here at the county to create
[1:48:07] a situational awareness tool within our
[1:48:10] existing S3 subscription. Right now it's facing first responders, right?
[1:48:17] It's helping us understand spatially
[1:48:19] what's going on during an emergency. But
[1:48:22] as we continue to build this out, we can
[1:48:24] also make it public facing so that if we
[1:48:26] have impacted areas, evaporation zones,
[1:48:29] road closures, it's a way that we can
[1:48:31] communicate that with the public as
[1:48:32] well.
[1:48:36] Looking ahead to next year, if I had to
[1:48:38] pick a few things to focus on here, I've
[1:48:41] been working with other agencies to
[1:48:43] revive our community emergency response
[1:48:45] team. This is a team of citizen
[1:48:47] volunteers who help in the areas that
[1:48:49] they're in until first responders are
[1:48:51] able to arrive. So, sort of
[1:48:53] supplementing our first responder
[1:48:54] capability.
[1:48:56] Continuing to develop hazard specific
[1:48:58] plans and annexes.
[1:49:01] Working on ways to do disaster training
[1:49:03] for non-first responder staff because if
[1:49:06] it's a big enough incident, other people
[1:49:09] in the county are going to have to slot
[1:49:10] into roles and and help support that
[1:49:13] incident as well. also giving them tools
[1:49:15] and training to be able to better do
[1:49:16] that. And then that last bullet point,
[1:49:20] our hazard mitigation plan is required
[1:49:22] to be updated on a five-year basis. That
[1:49:24] refresh is due in 2028, so I'll be
[1:49:27] working on it in 2027. The asterisk is
[1:49:30] there because we're waiting for guidance
[1:49:32] to come down from FEMA. Um, you're
[1:49:34] probably aware there's been a lot of
[1:49:35] changes within the agency. So, I I know
[1:49:38] we're due for an update. What exactly
[1:49:40] that looks like is still kind of TV at
[1:49:43] this point.
[1:49:45] That is what I have. If you have
[1:49:47] questions, I can answer the cure or
[1:49:49] you're welcome to reach out to me.
[1:49:52] >> Any questions for K. Thank you.
[1:49:56] >> Thank you.
[1:49:57] >> Good job.
[1:49:58] >> Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate all
[1:49:59] >> you do.
[1:50:03] » And you so fast in the interest of time.
[1:50:06] Thank you. Okay. Power next. um
[1:50:10] department report is Michael Cleta for
[1:50:12] our director of the mobile office of
[1:50:13] tourism and he is going to be telling us
[1:50:16] about everything the mobile office
[1:50:18] tourism has been doing
[1:50:47] only have 10 minutes
[1:50:50] fast. I'm mix the director of the office
[1:50:52] tourism. Um, and this is my partner
[1:50:56] report. Um, I'm going to go over some
[1:50:59] high level updates, but the best way to
[1:51:01] keep in touch with us is by tuning into
[1:51:04] our board meetings, which are the second
[1:51:05] Tuesday of every month. Um, also been
[1:51:08] doing regular workshops. A lot of the
[1:51:10] work we do takes longer than timely
[1:51:12] after a board meeting. So, we've
[1:51:14] scheduled those outside of board
[1:51:15] meetings and so kind of in depth into
[1:51:17] some of our projects.
[1:51:22] » Wonder why everyone's lining up. Um so
[1:51:25] catch workshops they are posted in the
[1:51:28] same way that board meetings are. Um and
[1:51:30] another way to keep in touch is our
[1:51:32] website discover moab.com and our social
[1:51:34] handles at discovery.
[1:51:37] Um but today I am going to talk about um
[1:51:40] our campaign of the year nomination. Um
[1:51:43] give a brand update. Uh give an update
[1:51:46] on our co-op award and looking ahead to
[1:51:49] next year.
[1:51:52] So starting
[1:51:54] Um as I I mentioned at the commission
[1:51:57] meeting last week um we were nominated
[1:51:59] for campaign of the year. Um this was
[1:52:02] given or we were nominated by the US
[1:52:04] travel association um ESTO awards. It's
[1:52:07] one of tourism industry's premier
[1:52:09] organization and its highest honor. Uh
[1:52:11] the campaign that we submitted um
[1:52:14] generated more than 10 and a half
[1:52:15] million dollars in economic impact. Um
[1:52:19] 30,000 plus additional hotel room nights
[1:52:21] and a return on investment of $58 to
[1:52:24] $228.
[1:52:26] Um so the award ceremonies next week.
[1:52:29] We're up against two cities in New York
[1:52:30] State and one in Texas. Um other
[1:52:33] finalists include New York City, Denver,
[1:52:35] and Austin and other spending.
[1:52:38] basis recognition of work we did with
[1:52:40] Matt and Media um right when we engaged
[1:52:43] them. So the campaign runs from last
[1:52:44] summer to early this spring. Um and it's
[1:52:47] a really nice epic cherry on top after
[1:52:49] all that work getting to know that.
[1:52:53] >> So I also want to give you a brand
[1:52:54] update. We've been working on a a brand
[1:52:57] project for the better part of this
[1:52:59] year. Started late last fall um with
[1:53:01] camp 4 and tourists. Um this was a
[1:53:04] three-phase project. Um the first phase
[1:53:07] was a research phase. Second one was to
[1:53:10] develop assets and others while um into
[1:53:13] action. So phase one ended earlier this
[1:53:16] year January 2026 includes material
[1:53:20] audit um audit and landscape review. So
[1:53:23] looking at other DMOS um in market
[1:53:26] research. So, we talked with locals, we
[1:53:28] talked with visitors, um, and spent a
[1:53:32] lot of time hearing from them and what a
[1:53:34] trip to Moab was like and then
[1:53:36] synthesizing all of that information
[1:53:39] to, uh, strategy and goals. So, this is
[1:53:42] a link down here. will be posted to the
[1:53:45] uh agenda item and um anyone interested
[1:53:48] can explore all of these decks are
[1:53:50] linked and they're there. We also
[1:53:52] presented uh the research and and
[1:53:54] strategy findings um in January 13th and
[1:53:57] that's a link there to the YouTube page.
[1:53:59] So during phase one um we talked to more
[1:54:02] than 95 people um spent a lot of time on
[1:54:04] the ground um like I said talking to
[1:54:07] both locals and and to visitors um and
[1:54:10] then our materials audit um was
[1:54:12] reviewing what what we were inheriting
[1:54:14] in the office.
[1:54:16] Um when I started my observation of the
[1:54:20] office office was that we had uh every
[1:54:24] project looked different. Um, and when
[1:54:26] you do that, I would like to say that
[1:54:28] you're you're talking to people, you're
[1:54:30] doing marketing activities in different
[1:54:31] languages. Um, so getting these things
[1:54:34] to be consistent and look the same. You
[1:54:36] don't lose the narrative. Once you
[1:54:38] engage somebody, you can continue to
[1:54:39] engage them and your efforts will be
[1:54:41] more successful. So that was a big
[1:54:44] motivation for this project.
[1:54:50] So on the ground um camp for Gurus
[1:54:54] identified three big insights. Um the
[1:54:58] first is that time is Moab's
[1:55:01] underleveraged growth lever. Um they
[1:55:04] kept hearing and we'll get into this a
[1:55:05] little bit later in the presentation
[1:55:06] that um people felt that they didn't
[1:55:08] have enough time here. The second was
[1:55:11] that tourism tourism trends and also um
[1:55:17] just a visit to Moab is shifting from
[1:55:19] something that feels really
[1:55:20] transactional imagine bucket lists or I
[1:55:22] want to go only here to something
[1:55:24] relational that we had an opportunity um
[1:55:26] to tell a broader story that people
[1:55:28] wouldn't be just coming here to kind of
[1:55:30] work down a checklist. The second or the
[1:55:33] thirdism isn't a surprise that the
[1:55:35] landscape should be as of the main
[1:55:37] character.
[1:55:40] Um
[1:55:42] so we entered it to phase two. I'll
[1:55:43] spend more time with this. Um phase two
[1:55:46] is our our our identity and we did
[1:55:48] positioning. Um we started by
[1:55:50] identifying audiences. We have five
[1:55:51] audience types. Um from there we created
[1:55:55] itineraries. Kind of answered the
[1:55:56] question what would a visitor do in
[1:55:59] Moab? Um and then we started to create
[1:56:02] um brand positioning, messaging, um
[1:56:05] narrative executions, visual identity,
[1:56:07] um campaign concepts. And again, this
[1:56:09] was all presented just last week as we
[1:56:12] wrapped up phase two. And the link to
[1:56:14] that workshop is there. So I just wanted
[1:56:16] to review some quick quickly some of the
[1:56:20] outcomes of phase two.
[1:56:23] Um and as I kind of indicated before,
[1:56:26] the strategic shift is from a place
[1:56:30] from where you just visit to a place
[1:56:31] where you connect. Um, and we started to
[1:56:35] explore what that opportunity
[1:56:38] moving from quick hits to multi-day
[1:56:40] immersion, slowing down, staying longer.
[1:56:43] Um, and the best way to get to know the
[1:56:44] place is with kind of guided experience.
[1:56:49] That came brand standards and
[1:56:51] guidelines. We're already putting these
[1:56:52] things into work as we work with
[1:56:54] different creative partners. um you know
[1:56:57] our logo, our colors, the way we talk
[1:56:59] are all laid out in um directional.
[1:57:06] So one of those activities and and and I
[1:57:08] really liked that this came out of this
[1:57:10] project was you know what is the office
[1:57:13] doing almost holistically? I feel like
[1:57:15] we could start every movie, every
[1:57:17] meeting um with this brand purpose um
[1:57:21] which we arrived at to say is to invite
[1:57:24] people into a lasting relationship with
[1:57:25] an extraordinary place through real
[1:57:27] adventure, earned understanding and
[1:57:29] reverence and action. So Moab stays
[1:57:31] vital for the people who live here and
[1:57:33] for the people who arrive ready to
[1:57:35] experience it.
[1:57:40] Sorry.
[1:57:43] Um so who is the brand for? I think this
[1:57:45] is really important to keep in mind and
[1:57:47] um [clears throat] you know creative
[1:57:49] assets are talking to prospective
[1:57:50] visitors. Um of course we want to
[1:57:52] reflect the community but these this is
[1:57:55] the target audience is
[1:57:58] um and then just to to to show you where
[1:58:00] we landed on some of uh the brand assets
[1:58:04] uh we have a new logo. Two things I'd
[1:58:06] point out about our logo. We added Utah
[1:58:09] to the logo. I think people uh as we say
[1:58:13] uh we're from Moab either someone knows
[1:58:15] exactly what you're talking about or
[1:58:16] they ask you the followup question
[1:58:18] where's that um and so to get more
[1:58:20] recognition that what's safe added that
[1:58:24] to to the look uh an alternative version
[1:58:31] business logo about the Utah and
[1:58:35] applicable
[1:58:36] um we have new fonts
[1:58:40] others
[1:58:44] and there's some other deliverables in
[1:58:46] phase two um that are reviewed in that
[1:58:49] um YouTube video.
[1:58:53] >> So we're currently in phase three um and
[1:58:55] phase three is putting all of this into
[1:58:57] action.
[1:58:59] It includes messaging system. We we
[1:59:01] started to develop ads campaign toolkit.
[1:59:04] We're refreshing to sour.com
[1:59:07] um environmental integrations um and we
[1:59:10] will launch this all in the next few
[1:59:14] weeks here.
[1:59:17] So um one of these deliverables is a
[1:59:20] campaign an advertising campaign kind of
[1:59:23] rooted uh in brand insights. And as I
[1:59:26] sort of indicated before, one statistic
[1:59:29] that really stood out to us was that
[1:59:31] more than 90% of visitors we talked to
[1:59:33] during the phase one re research said
[1:59:35] that they plan to return or wish they'd
[1:59:37] built in more time. So I don't think
[1:59:39] this is really a surprise to us that
[1:59:41] people show up and say, "I had no idea
[1:59:44] this was here. Um, you know, I came for
[1:59:46] Arches, but there's so much more to do."
[1:59:48] Um, and we started to feel like we sort
[1:59:50] of miss out if somebody's already come
[1:59:52] and they're already planning to leave.
[1:59:54] um maybe they're here for a day or two
[1:59:55] days um but they're missing a longer
[1:59:58] trip. Um and anytime you have a research
[2:00:01] insta like this that's really needy 90%
[2:00:04] of people are saying this you can really
[2:00:06] lean into it u and try to get leverage
[2:00:09] out of it.
[2:00:11] We were presented with uh three campaign
[2:00:13] concepts and we really started to go
[2:00:16] with with this insight and arrived on on
[2:00:18] the campaign stand that you should have
[2:00:20] stayed higher. Um, so our team started
[2:00:23] to mock up what a campaign could look
[2:00:25] like, different taglines, ad lobs,
[2:00:29] um, says one art down, 2,000 to go.
[2:00:32] Really trying to set the expectation of
[2:00:34] all there is to see do here. Three days
[2:00:37] felt like enough until it didn't.
[2:00:41] Um, the truth is MOA is bigger and
[2:00:42] deeper than what than any trip you could
[2:00:44] have planned for. It's not a regret, but
[2:00:47] it's a reason to come and to come back.
[2:00:49] So MOA makes you realize you should have
[2:00:52] stayed longer.
[2:00:55] Um
[2:00:57] I'll just go through these quick this
[2:00:58] quickly here, but we did a multi-day
[2:01:00] shoot. We did some in the in the winter.
[2:01:02] We also um did a big shoot in the
[2:01:05] summer. Um and these are mock-ups of
[2:01:07] AdLabs. What ads print ads will look
[2:01:08] like? Colorado Rivers in no hurry. So
[2:01:11] why are you
[2:01:13] came for two trails? Moab has 300 more
[2:01:15] with your name on them.
[2:01:17] you didn't come all this way to go to
[2:01:19] bed early.
[2:01:21] Wish you were still here.
[2:01:26] So, um
[2:01:28] I've also linked a campaign toolkit kind
[2:01:31] of what the ingredients of making making
[2:01:33] an ad.
[2:01:35] So, as I said, we're launching our brand
[2:01:37] September 8th at the day after Labor
[2:01:39] Day. Um we're going to have a series of
[2:01:41] workshops in the morning. um our regular
[2:01:44] scheduled Mtown meeting from 3:00 to
[2:01:46] 5:00. Then at 5:00 we'll go over to the
[2:01:48] Mick um and do a community open house.
[2:01:50] We kicked off this project with
[2:01:51] community open house um and we're
[2:01:54] inviting people to come out and talk to
[2:01:55] us about the new campaign, the new grand
[2:01:57] work um and everything we do at the
[2:01:59] office of tourism. I got to keep going.
[2:02:03] I was going to show you guys this, but I
[2:02:04] don't.
[2:02:07] >> We should have
[2:02:15] breakfast.
[2:02:36] So we'll see we'll have other iterations
[2:02:40] of that and we'll be rolling that out.
[2:02:43] >> Okay, I'm going to quickly go through
[2:02:44] these other slides. Um our co-op award
[2:02:47] came in last Friday and we had a great
[2:02:49] result. Um the state is investing
[2:02:52] $161,000 in our um should stay longer
[2:02:55] campaign. Uh this is one of the top
[2:02:57] awards and um higher than other top
[2:03:00] earning DMOs like Greater Zion, Park
[2:03:02] City, and Salt Lake City. Um so we're
[2:03:05] really excited to um have this
[2:03:08] investment in in this working.
[2:03:11] And then looking ahead, um we have our
[2:03:14] campaign launch. Um later that week on
[2:03:16] Friday, we're doing a Mud Springs event.
[2:03:18] Um grand opening and ribbon cutting. Um
[2:03:22] in the coming year um we'll be working
[2:03:24] with film commission to promote film
[2:03:26] production and film tourism. Um and as I
[2:03:30] look at budget season I'm looking at
[2:03:32] projects like data insights global
[2:03:34] markets support um and we're already
[2:03:37] working on administration and
[2:03:38] operations. Um data insights would be
[2:03:41] more data around who's coming, what's
[2:03:44] happening here. Um and global market
[2:03:46] support is to really encourage
[2:03:48] international visitation. um really
[2:03:50] looking at that late summer period where
[2:03:52] we have a wall and filling that with
[2:03:55] international visitors who travel during
[2:03:57] that period of time. Um to start that
[2:03:59] I'll be going to brand USA travel week
[2:04:01] talking to international tour operators
[2:04:04] the next month. So I went over um but
[2:04:07] thank you for your time if you have any
[2:04:09] questions.
[2:04:10] >> It was great. Thank you mwes awesome
[2:04:12] awards. Any questions? Mike,
[2:04:17] >> thanks for that uh film uh tourism plug
[2:04:19] right there. It was really nice going
[2:04:21] out to a set of of the set of Obsidian
[2:04:25] and uh I I want the general public to
[2:04:27] know. Uh there was roughly 250 plus
[2:04:31] people out in the desert uh on a film
[2:04:34] set and they're contributing right to
[2:04:36] our local economy. Uh most people didn't
[2:04:38] even know they were out there, but it
[2:04:40] was absolutely awesome to partake in
[2:04:41] that as I wear the hat.
[2:04:43] Uh, and I thank you guys for having me
[2:04:46] out and you guys going out too to see uh
[2:04:48] to take part in that.
[2:04:51] >> Bill,
[2:04:52] >> yeah, I think you're doing you and your
[2:04:53] team are doing a great job. I really
[2:04:55] appreciate the the message is positive.
[2:04:58] I just appreciate that what we're
[2:05:00] seeing.
[2:05:02] >> Yeah. Anybody else?
[2:05:05] >> Thanks, Mick.
[2:05:06] >> Great.
[2:05:07] >> Thank you very much.
[2:05:10] >> All right. Thank you very much.
[2:05:13] Next we have our engineering department
[2:05:16] Shangh
[2:05:27] suggested that in the interest of time I
[2:05:29] just verbally present this but then
[2:05:33] presentation both with the agenda
[2:05:41] strers as well as staff in serving Grand
[2:05:46] County citizens and the tourists that
[2:05:47] visit our area here.
[2:05:50] [clears throat]
[2:05:50] I think Jacques said it the best when he
[2:05:52] said finding the zoning is a lightning
[2:05:54] rod. And I think we're I think we're on
[2:05:57] the verge of really um harnessing that
[2:06:00] energy in a good way to better serve
[2:06:04] both developers and contractors with new
[2:06:07] folks on board with a new building
[2:06:10] inspector as well as Andrew Jackson who
[2:06:13] is uh leading the charge in priority
[2:06:16] number one. commercial canvas as the
[2:06:19] chair stated in the commissioner
[2:06:23] commission's priorities. The priority
[2:06:25] statement um as you know was published
[2:06:30] July 1st and as I was reading some of
[2:06:33] those priorities those 10 priorities um
[2:06:37] published by the chair there's some
[2:06:39] words that just jumped off the page to
[2:06:40] me and it was completing outstanding
[2:06:43] deliverables. I think deep deep in our
[2:06:46] heart of hearts, every staff member,
[2:06:48] every commissioner, every administrator
[2:06:50] and I think every every citizen and
[2:06:52] county in the counties wants to see um
[2:06:56] outstanding deliverables, maybe even be
[2:06:58] a part of that.
[2:07:00] Um,
[2:07:02] engineering [clears throat]
[2:07:03] touches two of those or two through
[2:07:06] eight of those priorities from strategic
[2:07:08] plan strate strategy and plan for
[2:07:11] development areas all the way down to
[2:07:12] aligning the organizational structures
[2:07:14] and resources to accomplish the goals.
[2:07:17] engineering has has a part that it's I
[2:07:20] feel like I'm kind of in a soccer game
[2:07:22] where I'm running down the field with
[2:07:23] the team and the ball gets passed over
[2:07:25] and I tap it over here and I try to
[2:07:27] direct something in a way that will help
[2:07:31] whoever the striker might be. Oftentimes
[2:07:33] it's the commissioners and those on
[2:07:35] committees to score the goal for the
[2:07:37] county.
[2:07:39] Um
[2:07:43] panelists uh put this together. I'm sure
[2:07:46] this was a joint effort with all of the commissioners, but uh the priority
[2:07:50] statement for fiscal year 2026 is as we
[2:07:53] continue to work as we continue our work
[2:07:56] to serve the residents of Grand County,
[2:07:58] maintaining clear alignment between our
[2:08:01] overarching long range goals and daily
[2:08:03] operations is essential and and truly it
[2:08:06] is. I know that uh there's a wide
[2:08:09] variety of priorities depending on who
[2:08:11] you talk to on the commissioner,
[2:08:12] citizens of the county, but actually um
[2:08:16] putting the rubber to the road on a
[2:08:18] daily basis and working towards those
[2:08:20] goals is how those will be achieved.
[2:08:24] Um [clears throat]
[2:08:26] I'm involved as county engineer in three
[2:08:29] main areas. One is the strategy and plan
[2:08:32] for development areas. And so as I
[2:08:34] assist Andrew Jackson, the news center
[2:08:37] in the planning and zoning efforts, um I
[2:08:41] do such things as review development
[2:08:43] paths, um work with developers like Matt
[2:08:47] Gul and and
[2:08:50] making sure that they're they're taken
[2:08:52] care of. In fact, today I went out with
[2:08:54] a building inspector and inspected some
[2:08:56] uh some rebar that was being placed for
[2:08:59] a retaining wall that the Royal Crossing
[2:09:01] was putting in to help further improve
[2:09:04] their drainage.
[2:09:06] Another thing I've worked on this year,
[2:09:08] and this is something I know that's been
[2:09:10] near and dear to Commissioner Winfield's
[2:09:11] heart as well as a couple other
[2:09:14] commissioners here, it's the uh North
[2:09:16] Thompson replat. Um to date we have 18
[2:09:19] of the required 25 signatures
[2:09:22] for owner consent forms which will allow
[2:09:25] us to adjust those property lines in
[2:09:28] North Thompson. So that means there's
[2:09:30] only seven remaining signatures and I
[2:09:32] believe we can get those secured here in
[2:09:35] the next couple months.
[2:09:37] May or may not take a public meeting.
[2:09:40] Also along those lines, ABC Thompson is
[2:09:43] owned by SA
[2:09:46] who's working to get that restaurant up
[2:09:48] and going out there in Thompson. And
[2:09:50] that'll be the very nice revitalization
[2:09:53] project for that area as well as the two
[2:09:56] water lines that we would like to take
[2:09:59] out there as well as
[2:10:02] junction.
[2:10:04] Another real hot topic obviously over
[2:10:07] the years has been flooding mitigation.
[2:10:10] We will be starting a flood mitigation
[2:10:13] project, Jackson Street Storm Vin
[2:10:15] Institute project. We have a
[2:10:17] pre-construction meeting on August 24th
[2:10:20] and we'll be starting construction
[2:10:23] sometime in September based on when UD
[2:10:25] do issues their encroachment permit.
[2:10:28] Expect that to be completed by spring
[2:10:30] 2027.
[2:10:32] Also included in this packet, I've sat
[2:10:34] on a few meetings obviously
[2:10:36] more oftentimes is the fly on the wall,
[2:10:39] but I know there's been a lot of work
[2:10:40] put into the umptra
[2:10:42] um asset management between Commissioner
[2:10:45] Gan and Bill Winfield
[2:10:48] as well as Mark Tiner.
[2:10:50] Um,
[2:10:52] [clears throat] also we've been working
[2:10:54] on the u the Moab town boat ramp's been
[2:11:00] head of that effort and uh been working
[2:11:03] with
[2:11:04] Na'vi Ladawitz on
[2:11:08] preparing [clears throat] to get
[2:11:10] preparing to apply for both federal and
[2:11:13] uh state grants. Um, we've received a
[2:11:16] lot of good input from Commissioner
[2:11:17] Martinez with respect to grant strategy
[2:11:20] and things like that. That should be a
[2:11:21] pretty good project as we move on down
[2:11:24] the uh permitting line. We do have a
[2:11:26] meeting uh
[2:11:30] later this week with the board of
[2:11:32] engineers so we can get our threat and
[2:11:34] endangered species clearances
[2:11:38] taken care of in that area. Um
[2:11:41] [clears throat] perhaps the uh the bulk
[2:11:42] of the time
[2:11:44] of the engineers spent
[2:11:47] assisting and planning and zoning. And
[2:11:51] from coming on board about a year ago,
[2:11:53] my goal has always been to try to my
[2:11:55] best possible way is to make it so that
[2:11:59] the people that leave planning zoning
[2:12:01] office have a smile on their face. They
[2:12:03] feel like they've had their concerns
[2:12:05] addressed and uh that we've done all
[2:12:08] that we can to do to help them um move
[2:12:12] down the process of getting a project
[2:12:14] approved.
[2:12:18] And along those lines, uh we've issued
[2:12:22] many development approvals,
[2:12:23] subdivisions, preliminary final site
[2:12:25] plans. Um, one thing of note is we we
[2:12:29] issued a permit for the Canyon Spirit
[2:12:31] formerly Rocky Mountain
[2:12:34] train that uh it's a tourist train that
[2:12:37] comes through here and it seemed to have
[2:12:40] been held up in obligation for quite
[2:12:41] some time. Um,
[2:12:45] let's see. Also,
[2:12:51] one of the things that we do get some
[2:12:53] complaints on is this night sky the dark
[2:12:56] sky initiative. [clears throat] I've
[2:12:58] included a photo in this packet that
[2:13:00] shows a development that was approved.
[2:13:03] Um the final the final's been completed
[2:13:06] and they're asking for a bond release,
[2:13:08] but we we are getting some complaints
[2:13:10] from some light glare there. So, we're
[2:13:13] I'm working with Brandon Black on on
[2:13:16] addressing some of those glare
[2:13:17] complaints and working with the
[2:13:20] contractor and the developer relation to
[2:13:22] get their bond released.
[2:13:28] » Yes. Are there any questions might have
[2:13:31] as far as progress or projects or
[2:13:33] anything?
[2:13:36] uh the Spanish Valley multiuse pathway.
[2:13:39] We haven't had an update on that in just
[2:13:41] a little while and I know last time we
[2:13:42] were talking about that it was
[2:13:43] acquisitions. Was wondering where that
[2:13:46] might be.
[2:13:47] >> Yeah, there are some there are some
[2:13:48] property owners there that had some
[2:13:50] additional concerns with some
[2:13:54] retaining walls along the front of the
[2:13:56] property
[2:13:58] as well as individuals at the top of
[2:14:00] that. Yeah,
[2:14:03] >> that ties into Royal Crossing
[2:14:06] where Judy Larson, our rightway agent,
[2:14:08] is going back and forth on particulars.
[2:14:12] So, we're just kind of waiting to settle
[2:14:14] on state owners there. Okay. Um I think
[2:14:16] the feeling is that we don't want to
[2:14:18] offer too much more than we've already
[2:14:20] offered the appraisers the appraisals
[2:14:23] but uh
[2:14:25] I anticipate and in talking with David
[2:14:28] Riddle that by the end of this year we
[2:14:30] should be
[2:14:32] negotiation portion of it and have a set
[2:14:35] of plans that are ready for
[2:14:36] advertisement.
[2:14:38] Obviously, I know that there's a a
[2:14:40] number of different funding competing
[2:14:42] interests in the county for for probably
[2:14:45] different things, but at some point, I
[2:14:47] think the commission will perhaps need
[2:14:50] to make some decisions on those areas.
[2:14:52] But we should be ready to rock and roll
[2:14:54] in a thing of spring of 2027 as far as
[2:14:58] construction.
[2:14:59] >> I think all the stars.
[2:15:01] >> Hope they do. Thanks, Sean.
[2:15:03] >> Thanks, John.
[2:15:05] >> Thank you. Thank you for uh bringing in
[2:15:07] my priorities uh statement in there. I
[2:15:09] appreciate it and tying in. A lot does
[2:15:11] go into your office. You do a lot of
[2:15:13] things around the county. So, thank you
[2:15:14] so much. You're welcome.
[2:15:16] >> Oh, has question.
[2:15:18] >> Is there any way that we could have this
[2:15:20] put on into the packet so that uh the
[2:15:24] public can see it and we can refer back
[2:15:26] to it easier?
[2:15:27] >> Yeah, I was gonna I was going to post
[2:15:29] it, but I think the closing time had
[2:15:31] closed. So, um, Dan had recommended I
[2:15:34] post this following the meeting.
[2:15:37] >> Thank you.
[2:15:38] >> I have one more question.
[2:15:39] >> Yeah, thanks for all you're doing.
[2:15:40] You're scattered all over the county and
[2:15:42] it's good to see I mean the stuff in
[2:15:44] Thompson Springs been a long time
[2:15:46] coming. I think we started or I started
[2:15:48] on part of that when I first became a
[2:15:50] commissioner. So, it's good to see that
[2:15:52] one moving along. And also the flood
[2:15:54] work. You know, there's a lot of
[2:15:57] maybe even a lack of information out
[2:15:59] there. the amount of flood work that we
[2:16:01] are doing right now and it's an area.
[2:16:02] >> I just appreciate you highlighting that
[2:16:04] because we've got flood work going on
[2:16:05] all over the county right now.
[2:16:07] >> Yeah, Cody in particular is doing
[2:16:09] day-to-day stuff out there and it's just
[2:16:11] all over the county. So maybe we can do
[2:16:13] maybe a flood mitigation presentation
[2:16:15] that we're live doing.
[2:16:18] >> Yeah. Thank you, Sean.
[2:16:22] » Okay. Okay. And with that, we will move
[2:16:24] on to our general business action items,
[2:16:26] discussion, consideration of approval.
[2:16:29] But before we move to our first agenda
[2:16:31] item today, I wanted to take a brief
[2:16:32] moment to reflect on why each one of us
[2:16:36] is going to turn. We represent a vital
[2:16:39] vibrant community with diverse
[2:16:41] viewpoints. And it's entirely natural
[2:16:43] and even necessary that we won't always
[2:16:45] agree on every issue. We all have
[2:16:47] differing perspectives on how best to
[2:16:49] serve our residents. However, how we
[2:16:52] treat one another during these
[2:16:53] discussions dictates whether our
[2:16:56] community moves forward or stalls in
[2:16:58] division.
[2:16:59] Our primary duty as commissioners is not
[2:17:01] to win arguments or to score political
[2:17:03] points. It is to make decisions that
[2:17:06] serve the best interests of Brown County
[2:17:08] as a whole. So disagreement is a
[2:17:10] fundamental part of representative
[2:17:12] government. But personal attacks,
[2:17:14] interruptions, walkouts, and hostility
[2:17:17] undermine public trust and distract from
[2:17:19] the work our constituents elected us to
[2:17:21] do. So moving forward, I expect the
[2:17:24] following standards of decorum for
[2:17:26] everyone in this chamber. For
[2:17:28] commissioners, I want you to focus on
[2:17:30] policy merits, not the personal
[2:17:32] motivations of the person speaking.
[2:17:35] Respect the floor and allow each
[2:17:37] commissioner to speak without
[2:17:38] interruption. and keep our shared goal
[2:17:41] at the forefront which is finding
[2:17:44] practical solutions for Grant County.
[2:17:46] And for the citizens participating in
[2:17:49] public comment, I want you to address
[2:17:51] this the commission as a whole rather
[2:17:53] than directing remarks or personal
[2:17:55] criticisms at individual commissioners
[2:17:57] or staff. Keep your comments civil and
[2:18:00] constructive and focused on county
[2:18:01] business and agenda topics. And lastly,
[2:18:05] please respect time limits and the
[2:18:07] public space so that everyone who wishes
[2:18:09] to speak has equal opportunity to be
[2:18:11] heard without a disruption or applause.
[2:18:15] So, our community is watching and let's
[2:18:17] serve our community with the respect it
[2:18:19] deserves. And with that, we will have
[2:18:22] our commission member disclosures and
[2:18:24] future considerations. Yes,
[2:18:26] >> as always, wife works for the sheriff's
[2:18:27] department. And just to revisit future
[2:18:30] consideration, I would still like
[2:18:34] uh the website updated with taxation
[2:18:36] percentage uh charts and an approximate
[2:18:40] tax calculator. I know I talked about it
[2:18:42] last time, but uh I don't know where
[2:18:45] that fell, so just
[2:18:48] I want that on the website.
[2:18:51] Okay,
[2:18:52] >> Mary, go ahead.
[2:18:53] >> Yes. Uh begin with probably having
[2:18:56] budget um voting or budgeting. So, I
[2:18:59] need to disclose that my son works at uh
[2:19:02] Sandlads. And secondly, I want to
[2:19:05] express that uh and I spoke to attorney
[2:19:09] Starks, our county attorney, that
[2:19:12] [clears throat] I have the right when
[2:19:16] talking on a subject, if the subject
[2:19:19] matter I'm referring to is the agenda
[2:19:23] item
[2:19:25] and it's a vote has been done had
[2:19:28] previously been voted on, I have the
[2:19:32] right
[2:19:34] to express that I would like to have the
[2:19:37] commissions reconsider their vote. I
[2:19:40] have the right to ask that. I um you
[2:19:45] don't
[2:19:46] you know it's your choice and you're the
[2:19:48] ones that would get to bring it up. I
[2:19:50] can't. But it's my right to express my
[2:19:54] concern
[2:19:56] and I don't want to be called point of
[2:19:59] order again.
[2:20:04] and Brian, you have your hand up.
[2:20:07] >> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, two future
[2:20:09] considerations. One is I'd like to bring
[2:20:11] forward some water projects um that uh
[2:20:15] Grand County Water and Sewer is going to
[2:20:17] be looking for some match funding on.
[2:20:19] And then there are a couple of planning
[2:20:21] grants. And then the second is is I
[2:20:23] would like to bring forward again the
[2:20:25] updated uh motorized
[2:20:27] so that we can get that uh um thatouou
[2:20:30] uh resigned and brought back in front of
[2:20:32] the commission.
[2:20:35] » I think we're fine. Go ahead, Bill.
[2:20:37] >> And then we talked in our last budget
[2:20:39] meeting regard there was a need to see a
[2:20:42] little bit more of our grants
[2:20:45] centralized. I think you were there,
[2:20:47] Shantel. But it would be nice if all of
[2:20:50] our grants were somehow or other they're
[2:20:52] centralized on one document where we
[2:20:55] could look at them and see where the
[2:20:56] match money is coming from and possibly
[2:20:59] what the status of those grants are,
[2:21:01] where we're at in them, nearing
[2:21:03] completion or just beginning, that kind
[2:21:05] of a thing. And it's, you know, there's
[2:21:08] no time frame. I just think that that's
[2:21:11] great information when we're in those
[2:21:13] discussions.
[2:21:16] Okay,
[2:21:18] moving on to our approval of consent
[2:21:20] agenda items.
[2:21:22] Total bills in the amount of
[2:21:24] 1,668,875.37.
[2:21:28] Total payroll 59,18.77.
[2:21:33] So the total bills and payroll is
[2:21:35] $1,658,894.14.
[2:21:42] B is ratification of the film commission
[2:21:44] sponsorship of location managers guild
[2:21:47] international awards. C. Letter of
[2:21:49] support for USU's grant application for
[2:21:52] the ending wasted food award nurse
[2:21:55] nourish smart families contract
[2:21:58] extension of the verdict playgrounds
[2:22:00] OSTA playground project and contract
[2:22:03] extension for Rener sports pickle ball
[2:22:05] project.
[2:22:07] F is ratification of the grant contract
[2:22:09] amendment for springs phase one. G grant
[2:22:12] application OV trail coordinator
[2:22:15] position in 2027 to 2028.
[2:22:18] H is a recommended reappoint of historic
[2:22:21] preservation commission members. I
[2:22:24] secondary manufacturers o is the void
[2:22:26] contingent B application. J letter of
[2:22:30] support for funding a request to the
[2:22:32] department of natural resources for the
[2:22:33] Colorado River boat grant. K appointment
[2:22:37] of two vacancies on the budget advisory
[2:22:39] board. and L is the revision of job
[2:22:42] description and backtail request for the
[2:22:44] OSA administrative assistant bill.
[2:22:47] >> Motion to approve as stated.
[2:22:51] >> Thank all in favor.
[2:23:02] Sorry,
[2:23:05] we couldn't see you. You raise your
[2:23:07] hand, Brian.
[2:23:11] Yes, I did. Thanks.
[2:23:13] >> Seven. That has a seven out. Thank you.
[2:23:16] All right. So, number seven is
[2:23:19] postponed, but that was approval of
[2:23:20] outdoor recreation mitigation grant
[2:23:22] letter of acknowledgement. We just have
[2:23:24] a little bit more work to do on that.
[2:23:27] Um, eight is a resolution amending the
[2:23:30] 2026 budget.
[2:23:34] Chantel,
[2:23:37] » good evening. Um, a little different
[2:23:40] sitting up here. Administrator Tiner
[2:23:42] requested that I sit up here while the
[2:23:44] clerk auditor is out for a bit. Um, I'm
[2:23:48] here tonight to present on the
[2:23:50] resolution to amend the 2026 Grand
[2:23:52] County budget.
[2:23:54] One of the largest areas of adjustment
[2:23:55] in this budget amendment is salaries and
[2:23:57] benefits. As you are aware, we began the
[2:23:59] year with a hiring freeze and still are
[2:24:01] in hiring freeze. As a result, several
[2:24:04] vacant positions were not included in
[2:24:05] the opening budget. Throughout the year,
[2:24:07] as department heads brought requests to
[2:24:09] the commission to fill those vacant
[2:24:10] positions, and those requests were
[2:24:12] approved, the corresponding salaries and
[2:24:14] benefits needed to be added to the
[2:24:15] budget. Therefore, a significant portion
[2:24:17] of the proposed budget amendments is
[2:24:19] related to positions that were approved
[2:24:21] during the year but were not included in
[2:24:23] the original adopted budget. As we move
[2:24:25] closer to the final budget, there will
[2:24:27] be several additional line item
[2:24:28] adjustments that will need to be
[2:24:30] addressed and we will bring those
[2:24:31] forward and make the necessary
[2:24:32] amendments at that time. I'm happy to
[2:24:35] answer any questions or provide any
[2:24:36] additional clarification regarding any of the proposed amendments
[2:24:40] in the budget.
[2:24:42] >> Thank you, Chantel. Go ahead.
[2:24:44] >> I move to approve the resolution
[2:24:45] amending the 2026 Grand County budget.
[2:24:50] Second by Mike. Any discussion?
[2:24:55] Go ahead, Jacques. Um, uh, this we've
[2:24:58] gone through this budget quite a bit.
[2:25:00] Um, we've had a workshop and discussed
[2:25:02] various aspects of it in various
[2:25:04] meetings. There's a few big, uh, ticket
[2:25:07] items I don't approve of on the budget.
[2:25:09] I think you guys all know what I'm
[2:25:11] talking about. Same time, u budgeting
[2:25:14] process is something that we all go
[2:25:15] through together. Um previous to this
[2:25:18] commission uh the
[2:25:21] commissioners voted against uh the
[2:25:24] budget presented by the entire
[2:25:25] commission um brought up
[2:25:27] >> [clears throat]
[2:25:28] >> uh opinions or grievances at the last
[2:25:30] minute um even though I don't support
[2:25:34] things in this budget. I support the
[2:25:35] process and um getting this done
[2:25:40] together. So, I will uh perhaps against
[2:25:44] my better judgment vote to approve this
[2:25:46] budget. Thanks.
[2:25:48] >> Thank you. I can't see Trish online if
[2:25:50] she is. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. By each
[2:25:53] other. Oh. Oh, there you go. Trish, go
[2:25:56] ahead. [clears throat]
[2:25:57] >> Um Chantel, you might not be able to
[2:25:59] answer this question and I should have
[2:26:00] asked this in an earlier workshop, but I
[2:26:02] noticed the the com admin had a fairly
[2:26:05] large line item of overtime added. And
[2:26:08] do you can can you give me any specifics
[2:26:12] as to where that might have been coming
[2:26:14] from?
[2:26:16] >> Yes. Um that is coming from um one of
[2:26:20] the staff members um the economic
[2:26:23] development staff position.
[2:26:27] >> And do you know what projects they're
[2:26:30] working on?
[2:26:31] >> I don't. Um I'm sure that Mark can
[2:26:32] address that since she is in his
[2:26:35] department.
[2:26:38] Yeah, Commissioner Hading, she is
[2:26:41] working on several different projects.
[2:26:43] Um, one specifically is the shuttle at
[2:26:48] Current.
[2:26:52] » I'm sorry I didn't catch that last
[2:26:53] little bit, Mark, like the last three
[2:26:55] words.
[2:26:55] >> Yes, ma'am. She is primarily at at
[2:26:58] current she is working on the shuttle
[2:27:00] system and and implementing that at
[2:27:04] current.
[2:27:06] >> Okay. And to clarify one other thing,
[2:27:08] Trish, this is a midyear, so this is as
[2:27:11] of 7:15. Um, if I assume that we will
[2:27:16] once again for the next six months need
[2:27:18] the exact same amount or possibly more
[2:27:20] on that line item for her job.
[2:27:27] » Bill had a question. Oh,
[2:27:28] >> go ahead.
[2:27:29] >> Yeah, I don't have a question. Maybe
[2:27:31] question. Isn't a big portion of her
[2:27:33] salary state funded?
[2:27:39] Yes. Yes, it is.
[2:27:41] >> Thank you. And then the other point is I do know that we're looking at one
[2:27:46] position to add this this commission
[2:27:48] meeting in the future. It's very clear
[2:27:50] that we need to add a position in that
[2:27:52] office to get her some help, which would
[2:27:55] reduce that overtime, I'm sure.
[2:27:59] Mike,
[2:28:00] >> not to sound like a sounding board here,
[2:28:02] but that speaks to her need for uh uh
[2:28:04] the second position. It also speaks to
[2:28:06] the need of uh uh I'm Commissioner
[2:28:10] Herine and myself reached out to her
[2:28:12] today to uh try to get uh a letter in
[2:28:16] reference to HOSA out. Uh we we are we
[2:28:19] are
[2:28:21] work varied away varied array of work
[2:28:24] with her. So she's all over the board.
[2:28:27] Yeah, she was instrumental in the fixed
[2:28:29] guideway tax discussion that we had
[2:28:31] today and in every one of those
[2:28:32] meetings. She's in on the um
[2:28:36] you know diversification economic
[2:28:38] diversification. She's constantly worked
[2:28:40] on projects that go with that. She's
[2:28:41] helped over the um the senior project.
[2:28:46] We've worked on the senior um needs
[2:28:50] assessment. She also helped me with the
[2:28:52] healthc care districts RFP getting that
[2:28:54] out for the senior housing um that we're
[2:28:58] looking at doing the healthcare
[2:29:01] district. So there's a lot of projects
[2:29:02] that she's working on.
[2:29:05] That would be it. But but it is
[2:29:07] partially funded by the state of Utah.
[2:29:10] Any other questions? All right. Oh,
[2:29:14] Brian, go ahead.
[2:29:16] >> Oh, yeah. Thank you, chair. Yeah, I just
[2:29:18] wanted to add on to that. you know, she
[2:29:20] also helped out with the housing task
[2:29:22] force in getting the pipeline study done
[2:29:24] as well. And then at one of the
[2:29:27] workshops, I did ask Tess to go ahead
[2:29:30] and bring forward a reclassification for
[2:29:33] that position and a part-time staff. And
[2:29:35] I'd like to see if we can maybe add that
[2:29:37] on to one of the future agenda items.
[2:29:41] um
[2:29:45] » um okay I won't get into too much of
[2:29:48] that but anyways um I I I appreciate
[2:29:53] Jock's comment. I appreciate the
[2:29:56] workshops that we've done on the budget.
[2:29:59] I [clears throat] am a big fan of
[2:30:00] workshops. You probably know that at
[2:30:02] least we can have discussions and
[2:30:03] hopefully move through things in a in a
[2:30:06] logical manner. I will not be supporting
[2:30:08] this budget amendment um due to I think
[2:30:11] the big things for me are was our lack
[2:30:14] of ability to provide colas for our
[2:30:17] employees. You know, an understanding
[2:30:19] that a cola is an increase in income to
[2:30:22] offset inflation. It is not at all a
[2:30:25] raise. And then lastly, the addition of
[2:30:27] $500,000 for um the Moab to Arches
[2:30:31] shuttle that I think it should be
[2:30:33] understood that has had a tremendous
[2:30:36] amount of community push back. So even
[2:30:39] though I appreciate the process, I will
[2:30:41] not be supporting this amended budget.
[2:30:45] Right.
[2:30:47] I will not be supporting the amended
[2:30:49] budget uh because of my concern not only
[2:30:53] for the money that has been allocated to
[2:30:58] the shuttle. My concern is the need to
[2:31:01] have another staff member in the
[2:31:04] administrative office can be directly
[2:31:07] tied to the shuttle.
[2:31:10] >> Okay, we're going to call for a vote.
[2:31:14] raise your hand still. Are you another
[2:31:16] comment?
[2:31:19] » Oh, no. She
[2:31:21] >> Okay. All right. Well, we have first and
[2:31:23] second on the action item number eight.
[2:31:26] All in favor?
[2:31:29] >> I.
[2:31:30] >> And those post.
[2:31:39] Oh, Trish, did you raise your hand or
[2:31:41] say it? I'm opposed. I'm opposed.
[2:31:44] >> Okay. All right. So, that passes 52 with
[2:31:46] Commissioner Hedin and Commissioner Man
[2:31:48] in opposition. And with that, we are
[2:31:50] going to move to the citizens to be
[2:31:52] heard. I did notice a few citizens came
[2:31:55] in after I um spoke. And I did want to
[2:31:58] remind everyone in this chambers that we
[2:32:01] all have a decorum and I and I did read
[2:32:04] it to the commissioners, but I'll remind
[2:32:05] the citizens pres uh uh participating in
[2:32:08] public comment that we want you to
[2:32:10] address this the mission as a whole.
[2:32:13] Keep your comment civil and constructive
[2:32:15] and focused and then also please respect
[2:32:17] the time limits as a public space. Thank
[2:32:19] you. And with that, we'll start our
[2:32:21] citizens to be heard. And who in the
[2:32:24] spring?
[2:32:25] >> Oh, sorry. you'll be next.
[2:32:27] >> Sarah, come on up. Sorry. I'm sorry.
[2:32:30] You're good.
[2:32:31] >> Hi, [clears throat] my friends. How are
[2:32:32] you all doing?
[2:32:33] >> Good. How are you?
[2:32:34] >> Good. Um,
[2:32:35] >> say your name.
[2:32:37] >> Sarah Malnikov, No Solutions. I'm here
[2:32:40] today to offer my full my wholehearted
[2:32:43] support for a full-time victim advocate
[2:32:46] for the county. Victims of crime are
[2:32:49] highly traumatized individuals.
[2:32:52] Having an advocate on scene is crucial
[2:32:55] to alleviate fear and it sets up um aid
[2:33:00] going forward.
[2:33:02] Uh navigating the long and complicated
[2:33:06] legal process through the courts is not
[2:33:09] meant to retraumatize people. I think it
[2:33:12] sometimes can. But with a with a victim
[2:33:14] advocate walking people through the
[2:33:18] whole process, it it makes it a lot
[2:33:22] better. That's vitally important. We
[2:33:25] can't measure the absence of bad that
[2:33:28] good creates. I always look at the
[2:33:31] mentoring program and I think how many
[2:33:33] kids would be in trouble if they didn't
[2:33:35] have loving mentors helping them
[2:33:37] throughout time. So we can't measure it.
[2:33:40] And the same would be true for a victim
[2:33:41] advocate. But I'm out on the street all
[2:33:44] the time. I see the nitty-gritty and the
[2:33:46] dirt and this is sorely needed and I
[2:33:49] hope you guys will consider it. Thank
[2:33:52] you very much.
[2:33:53] >> Thank you.
[2:33:55] Okay, Taylor, come on up.
[2:34:03] » Good evening. My name is Taylor Johnson.
[2:34:05] I live in Grand County. I'm here tonight
[2:34:07] as a local business owner and a member
[2:34:09] of this community. And I want to make
[2:34:10] something very clear. I support the
[2:34:12] shuttle pilot and I want to publicly
[2:34:14] thank Commissioner Brian Martinez, Bill
[2:34:16] Winfield, Melody McCandless, and Mike
[2:34:18] McCertie for being willing to support it
[2:34:19] and give it a fair chance. Brian
[2:34:22] deserves recognition for his leadership
[2:34:23] in helping bring this pilot forward. And
[2:34:26] I also want to recognize Bill, Melody,
[2:34:27] and Mike for standing behind it. I know
[2:34:30] there's been tremendous criticism
[2:34:31] surrounding this project. Those of us
[2:34:33] who support what you're trying to
[2:34:35] accomplish need to speak up, too. It's
[2:34:37] easy to criticize a new idea. It's
[2:34:39] harder to vote put one forward and
[2:34:42] ultimately be accountable for whether it
[2:34:44] succeeds or fails. I don't expect this
[2:34:46] pilot to be perfect. I expect it to be a
[2:34:48] pilot. I also want to briefly address
[2:34:50] the Arches reservation system. I did not
[2:34:53] agree with the conclusions presented
[2:34:54] about its impact. What we were being
[2:34:56] told did not match what I was seeing and
[2:34:58] hearing every day in my business. The
[2:35:01] complaints from tourists were huge. The
[2:35:03] later independent gardener study
[2:35:05] estimated approximately 170,000 fewer
[2:35:08] arch arches visitors per year under
[2:35:10] timed entry. Roughly a 14% reduction.
[2:35:14] That's significant. We tried
[2:35:16] reservations. We learned from them. Now
[2:35:18] let's try something different. A shuttle
[2:35:20] isn't a radical new idea. Shuttle
[2:35:22] transportation at Arches has been
[2:35:24] studied for years and similar systems
[2:35:26] operate in other national park
[2:35:27] communities. I also I also think people
[2:35:30] need to understand the funding. We're
[2:35:32] taking about approximately $3 million
[2:35:33] for season 1, but Grand County isn't
[2:35:35] putting up $3 million.
[2:35:37] Approximate approximately 1.5 million is
[2:35:41] federal funding. $1 million
[2:35:44] in is state funding through U DOT and
[2:35:46] Grant Countyy's commitment is 500,000.
[2:35:48] So roughly 83% comes from federal and
[2:35:50] state sources. For that local
[2:35:52] investment, let's give the pilot a
[2:35:54] legitimate opportunity to show us
[2:35:56] whether it works. That's what a pilot
[2:35:58] program is for. Try it. Measure the
[2:36:00] wrership. listen to tourists and
[2:36:02] businesses, look at the cost, fix what
[2:36:04] doesn't work, then decide based on
[2:36:06] actual results. I also want to address
[2:36:08] what happened at the August 4th meeting.
[2:36:10] I understand the commissioners who
[2:36:11] walked out had concerns about the
[2:36:13] process and the amount of time they had
[2:36:14] to review information. But when elected
[2:36:16] officials walk out during an important
[2:36:18] public issue, I believe the people who
[2:36:20] elected them deserve a clear
[2:36:21] explanation. If you disagree with the
[2:36:23] funding, tell us why. If you believe the
[2:36:25] process was wrong, tell us what should
[2:36:27] have been done differently. If you
[2:36:29] disagree with this the shuttle, tell us
[2:36:31] that, too. But stay engaged in
[2:36:33] conversation. We elected you to have a
[2:36:35] difficult discussion, especially when
[2:36:37] you disagree. We don't have to agree
[2:36:39] with every decision you make, but we
[2:36:40] should understand why you made it. And
[2:36:42] that's why I'm standing here tonight.
[2:36:44] The loudest voices do not necessarily
[2:36:46] represent the entire community. There
[2:36:48] are residents and business owners who
[2:36:49] support this pilot and appreciate what
[2:36:51] Brian Martinez, Bill Winfield, Melody
[2:36:53] McCandless, and Mike McCertie are trying
[2:36:54] to accomplish. And I'm one of them. I
[2:36:57] support accountability. I support
[2:36:59] transparency with our public money. And
[2:37:01] I support giving the shuttle pilot a
[2:37:02] legitimate, fair opportunity to succeed.
[2:37:05] Let's try it. Let's measure it honestly.
[2:37:07] And then let's let results speak for
[2:37:09] themselves. Thank you.
[2:37:11] >> Thank you.
[2:37:19] [laughter]
[2:37:21] » Hi, I'm Diane Foron. I'm a lifelong
[2:37:24] resident of Moab. I was actually born in
[2:37:26] Al Memorial Hospital. Several things
[2:37:30] that they're pretty brief and Taylor
[2:37:31] covered most of them. First of all, I
[2:37:34] want to thank I'm going to point him
[2:37:37] out, Bill, for working hard for that
[2:37:40] bike trail going down the river road. I
[2:37:44] know that it's an inconvenience right
[2:37:45] now, but I travel that road a lot and
[2:37:48] I've watched bikers get this close to
[2:37:50] being hit and killed, and it's not
[2:37:52] right. We have a lot of people on
[2:37:53] bicycles right now and they need to be
[2:37:55] protected and thank you so much for
[2:37:57] that. I also want to say I really
[2:38:00] appreciate the shuttle idea. I really
[2:38:02] do. I'm on a limited income. I'm old
[2:38:05] like but I'm on a limited income but I
[2:38:07] appreciate the shuttle idea and I
[2:38:09] realize where the funding is coming
[2:38:11] from. And so we all need to be a little
[2:38:13] bit more open with where that funding is
[2:38:15] coming from instead of just assuming
[2:38:16] it's on the taxator's shoulders.
[2:38:19] You know, our budget for the first time
[2:38:21] in four years, four years is a balanced
[2:38:25] budget which includes the shuttle cost.
[2:38:27] That's the first time that's happened.
[2:38:29] That's because revenues have gone up 35%
[2:38:31] in our county since the time to entry
[2:38:34] system stopped.
[2:38:36] I'm going to also comment. I watched the
[2:38:40] last county council meeting. I
[2:38:42] substitute teach middle school and high
[2:38:45] school. I know, go figure. I must have
[2:38:47] problem.
[2:38:49] I would never tolerate a child not being
[2:38:52] able to have an open discussion, having
[2:38:55] a temper tantrum, and walking out
[2:38:57] without, let's say, let's talk this out.
[2:39:00] These kids are learning this now. And
[2:39:02] they're learning by your examples. And
[2:39:04] if your example is that you're going to
[2:39:06] show them that we're not going to have
[2:39:08] this talk, we're just going to walk out.
[2:39:10] That is not an example we want to leave
[2:39:12] for our kids. We just don't want to.
[2:39:14] That's it. Thanks a lot.
[2:39:16] >> Thank you.
[2:39:19] All right. Um, come on up.
[2:39:26] » Hi, my name is Michael Wolf. I live in
[2:39:28] Moab and um, I've been having a hard
[2:39:32] time waking up lately because of all the
[2:39:35] horrible stuff going on in the world.
[2:39:37] And my wife tells me to be positive. So,
[2:39:40] in the interest of being positive, I I
[2:39:43] have some suggestions. a suggestion. I
[2:39:47] not a fan of the propo the shuttle pilot
[2:39:50] as it's being implemented right now. I
[2:39:52] think you all know that. But so since
[2:39:56] the commissioners now have entered the
[2:39:58] world of managing recreation on federal
[2:40:02] lands like the park service forest
[2:40:04] service, here's a suggestion. The budget
[2:40:08] for the park service has been
[2:40:10] dramatically cut. They've lost 25% of
[2:40:13] their employees. They don't even have
[2:40:15] anyone that can answer the phone when
[2:40:16] you call the Southeast Route. Right. So,
[2:40:20] I I I don't know if the county's already
[2:40:22] done this, but I would suggest that the
[2:40:25] county write a letter to our Utah
[2:40:28] representatives, Mr. Lee, Mr. Curtis and
[2:40:30] Kennedy and tell them to bring that
[2:40:33] funding back for these agencies because
[2:40:36] now that you are partners and you're
[2:40:38] working on this management, this
[2:40:40] proposed shuttle, I think you can see
[2:40:42] how funding is really important. So
[2:40:45] that's my one suggestion in being
[2:40:48] positive. I'm also I support fully
[2:40:51] funding Kylie Hoff Center as a victim
[2:40:54] advocate. I think that's a no-brainer.
[2:40:57] There's a great need for it. So that's
[2:40:58] all I had to say.
[2:41:00] Thank you.
[2:41:02] Okay. Yeah. Erin.
[2:41:10] » Hello everybody. Erin Lindberg. Um, you
[2:41:13] know, I I was watching with with the
[2:41:16] planning commission. You know, we passed
[2:41:17] several uh uh uh recommendations for up
[2:41:21] zones and then you guys uh voted them
[2:41:24] down. So, [clears throat] I met with
[2:41:26] several residents in that area, the Blue
[2:41:28] Vista area in the Zimmerland Lane, and I
[2:41:31] walked around, put some boots on the
[2:41:33] ground, and really [clears throat] just
[2:41:34] kind of got the vibe from out there. And
[2:41:37] then I saw that you guys did fund a
[2:41:39] $20,000
[2:41:41] uh study for out there. And one of the
[2:41:45] things I think, you know, Andrew brings
[2:41:47] this up at sever several of our
[2:41:49] commission meetings is the question is
[2:41:52] the county uh is it a rural county or is
[2:41:56] it an urban county? And what I really
[2:41:59] see the story going on out there is is
[2:42:01] like we now have in these kind of
[2:42:03] further ends of uh Spanish Valley, they
[2:42:06] were rural zones, but now they're
[2:42:08] neighborhoods and they're getting these
[2:42:10] and they're being used as such. like
[2:42:11] I've I I do a lot of work out there and
[2:42:14] I see, you know, there's a lot of
[2:42:16] residents uh out there and a lot of our
[2:42:19] professional classes and stuff are
[2:42:21] living out there and they have families
[2:42:23] and stuff and these areas are being used
[2:42:25] as neighborhoods like if you're
[2:42:27] basically what I'm getting at is like I
[2:42:30] don't know where you guys are at with
[2:42:32] that study, but I'm like oh there kids
[2:42:34] on bikes does trail mix need to like
[2:42:36] have a little pocket park um and not
[2:42:39] just like rural lots.
[2:42:41] that are uh you know kind of big
[2:42:44] distances. It's like oh they're they're
[2:42:46] kind of more dense than our neighborhood
[2:42:47] in Mountain View and we have little tiny
[2:42:49] parks and stuff. So that character is
[2:42:51] changing and I hope that study really
[2:42:54] helps with our development of that of
[2:42:56] that area because um you know uh
[2:42:59] residents were saying oh you know kids
[2:43:01] are playing on bikes and the average
[2:43:03] speed of of uh traffic going through
[2:43:06] here it's posted at 15 and they're going
[2:43:08] know over 30 40 miles per hour. So this
[2:43:11] is kind of I think a growing pain of our
[2:43:14] county uh on these questions and you
[2:43:17] know whenever you float ideas like well
[2:43:19] maybe you should annex into the city you
[2:43:21] know that's just a no-go because of the
[2:43:23] city tax ideas and stuff. So it's like
[2:43:26] people are kind of demanding uh or
[2:43:29] asking for kind of city level services
[2:43:31] in these counties and so you know
[2:43:33] where's Grand County direction going. So
[2:43:36] thank you.
[2:43:37] [clears throat]
[2:43:40] Thank you, Rory. And then we'll go to
[2:43:43] you.
[2:43:51] » Had to write some stuff down because
[2:43:53] I've got a lot to talk about, but I'm
[2:43:54] going to do it really as quick as I can.
[2:43:56] But good evening. Uh, my name is Rory
[2:43:58] Paxman,
[2:43:59] a resident of Grant County. Um, try to
[2:44:03] keep it brief here. Um, first off, thank
[2:44:06] you Mal, Bill, Mike, Mary, Ryan, Jock,
[2:44:11] and Trish. I appreciate all your hard
[2:44:14] work. I know how difficult it is. Um,
[2:44:19] I'm speaking on item [clears throat]
[2:44:20] number 13,
[2:44:22] the victim advocate position. This is uh
[2:44:25] something I strongly support.
[2:44:27] [clears throat] This victim ad advocate
[2:44:30] position serves as a and provides
[2:44:33] support for most vulnerable members of
[2:44:35] our community.
[2:44:38] Sorry. It's just really touches me
[2:44:41] because I was on the board when we first
[2:44:44] put this position in and I just hate to
[2:44:45] see it go away because I just know how
[2:44:47] good it is for our community. So, please
[2:44:50] find the money to support this.
[2:44:53] Uh second is um I'm glad to see that
[2:44:56] you're bringing back the um
[2:44:59] veros reszone. I'm glad to see it back
[2:45:02] on the consideration. Um there are
[2:45:05] concerns from uh locals that should be
[2:45:08] [clears throat] taken that should be
[2:45:09] taken in account. I also believe the
[2:45:13] cost like traffic study should be
[2:45:16] responsible of respons this
[2:45:19] responsibility of that should be from
[2:45:20] the the construction or the person put
[2:45:24] it in the subdivision.
[2:45:28] It shouldn't be put on the burden of the
[2:45:30] taxpayers. So, there's $20,000 right
[2:45:33] there that you can pull the victim's
[2:45:34] advocate.
[2:45:37] Um, also on the early agenda or the
[2:45:40] other meeting that you guys had earlier
[2:45:42] today, I really wanted to talk, but I
[2:45:44] didn't. You guys didn't have enough
[2:45:45] time. But I want you guys to know I
[2:45:48] support the sheriff's. I support um in
[2:45:52] jail.
[2:45:53] Um
[2:45:55] there is a few things that I have of
[2:45:57] concern. Um one was nobody mentioned
[2:46:00] what are we doing with this building?
[2:46:02] Are we going to have money to revamp
[2:46:04] this one if we keep this one? Because
[2:46:06] there was a couple different options
[2:46:08] there on the plate. So I just want you
[2:46:10] guys to look at that for the future. Um
[2:46:13] make sure you guys keep that in your
[2:46:15] minds. Um I just appreciate you. Thanks
[2:46:17] for the time. All
[2:46:23] right, come on up.
[2:46:27] » My name is Gary McDaniel, Grant County
[2:46:29] resident. I'm really bad at speaking in
[2:46:32] public.
[2:46:33] Um,
[2:46:35] something I wasn't planning on talking
[2:46:36] about, but overhearing the discussion
[2:46:39] about overtime with the employee that's
[2:46:40] dealing with the uh the new shuttle
[2:46:43] program and working on that. Sounds like
[2:46:45] there's already budget mission creep for
[2:46:47] the shuttle. if the county is looking at
[2:46:49] hiring an additional person. It was
[2:46:51] deflected by a few of the council people
[2:46:53] that it was state funded or largely
[2:46:56] state funded. We still live in Utah. We
[2:46:59] still pay taxes in Utah. That is still
[2:47:02] coming out of our pockets. Not
[2:47:03] exclusively ran county but the state
[2:47:06] broadly and we all contribute to that.
[2:47:08] So I feel like that's fairly
[2:47:10] disingenuous deflection.
[2:47:12] Um,
[2:47:15] old man glasses real quick.
[2:47:16] >> On your head. On your hat.
[2:47:18] >> There they all do it. I'm new to reading
[2:47:20] glasses. It's great. Um,
[2:47:24] the camp for tourism stuff. If people
[2:47:28] want to come and come here, stay. Great.
[2:47:30] Hopefully they're doing some hotels and
[2:47:31] camping and not nightly rentals and
[2:47:33] displacing locals. I've seen so many of
[2:47:35] my friends and so many people not be
[2:47:37] able to buy houses locally because of
[2:47:40] real estate prices exploding given the
[2:47:41] market. It's probably stagnant right
[2:47:43] now, but you know, I I make good money.
[2:47:46] My partner makes good money. We can't
[2:47:47] afford to buy a house.
[2:47:50] And it's just it's frankly ridiculous
[2:47:51] that people from out of state, out of
[2:47:53] town can make a mint on properties they
[2:47:56] buy that cater to tourists exclusively.
[2:47:58] It's just not fair.
[2:48:01] I've got I've got a lift here, so
[2:48:03] apologize. Um I'm also the guy that
[2:48:07] speaks to council people when I see him
[2:48:09] out and about. I saw Josh, you know,
[2:48:11] jock. sorry. At the trailer this
[2:48:12] morning, talked to him for for a few
[2:48:14] seconds. Um I'm at the hardware store
[2:48:17] far too many times a day and I was
[2:48:19] speaking to a council person recently
[2:48:21] about the dead horse that is artist
[2:48:23] timed entry and uh and that council
[2:48:27] person
[2:48:29] told me that timed entry
[2:48:33] was not counseledled due to county
[2:48:35] pressure. And that is frankly incredibly
[2:48:38] disingenuous. That council person told
[2:48:40] me that was a fully DOI decision, but it
[2:48:43] seems to be that we had plenty of
[2:48:46] council people that went to the DOI,
[2:48:48] went to National Park Service meetings,
[2:48:50] Brian Martinez, you know, especially,
[2:48:53] and and pressured the DOI for that. So,
[2:48:56] saying that the county had nothing to do
[2:48:57] with it is just frankly ridiculous.
[2:49:01] um spoke to another another council
[2:49:04] person, actually it's the same council
[2:49:06] person about uh the vote getting pushed
[2:49:08] through last week and that council
[2:49:10] person was not able to own their
[2:49:13] decision. They deflected it and put the
[2:49:15] decision on our county attorney, Steven
[2:49:18] Stoxs. Um, where I'm going with this is
[2:49:22] that if you make a a decision
[2:49:25] as a council person and you make you
[2:49:28] vote on those decisions, you need to own
[2:49:30] them. You can't back down or deflect it
[2:49:34] when you're in the public eye. You know,
[2:49:36] we all elected you and frankly, you
[2:49:40] answered us and we have the power to get
[2:49:42] you out of office. And I'm I'm looking
[2:49:44] so forward to getting so many of you out
[2:49:46] of office currently.
[2:49:48] Um,
[2:49:51] may I pay a council person a a
[2:49:53] compliment?
[2:49:56] >> Sure.
[2:49:56] >> Okay. Um, I'd like to congratulate Brian
[2:50:00] Martinez on his new appointment to
[2:50:03] the Colorado River Authority Board. Um,
[2:50:05] because after his uh firing from NAFTA
[2:50:08] under nefarious allegedly nefarious
[2:50:11] circumstances, you can
[2:50:12] >> we weren't sure he was going to land on
[2:50:14] street, but he has
[2:50:15] >> and then
[2:50:17] you're
[2:50:21] okay. Anybody else? Allison, come on up.
[2:50:30] Alison Matthysse, resident of Moab. Um,
[2:50:34] I came here prepared to talk about the
[2:50:36] quorum. I had printed out section G
[2:50:39] number, what is it, five, ready to read.
[2:50:41] I wasn't here when Miss McCandless uh
[2:50:44] said that she read things earlier. Um,
[2:50:46] and I'm glad that she did. However, I
[2:50:49] watched very carefully the last meeting
[2:50:51] and the people with the quorum um
[2:50:54] problems was not the entire commission
[2:50:56] and a previous woman mentioned that
[2:50:58] she'd been a teacher while I was in
[2:51:00] classrooms for many years both at the
[2:51:01] front and as a student and also I'm a
[2:51:04] member of society and that means if
[2:51:06] you're an adult that if there's a group
[2:51:08] you don't say oh the group is having a
[2:51:10] problem when it might be one or two
[2:51:12] people and last meaning it was one or
[2:51:15] two people also you just allowed
[2:51:18] gentleman to make a compliment but not
[2:51:20] describe something negative. That
[2:51:22] doesn't seem right. Our first amendment
[2:51:24] rights are to are for free speech and to address the government for
[2:51:29] redress of grievances. So does that mean
[2:51:31] we can only compliment commissioners?
[2:51:34] How wrong is that? How frankly
[2:51:36] unamerican is that? And yeah, you can
[2:51:39] hear my voice because I'm very upset
[2:51:41] about this. So I have quotes from last
[2:51:44] commission meeting and this is Mr.
[2:51:46] Winfield talking at approximately on the
[2:51:48] time stamp of 328
[2:51:51] 32803. Mr. Winfield said, "You know, I'm
[2:51:53] always amazed at the level of
[2:51:55] professional professionalism by other
[2:51:57] commissions on on this board and by the
[2:51:59] hypocrisy that goes on in this room. How
[2:52:02] does that meet your standard of
[2:52:03] decorum?"
[2:52:05] And it'll talk about um hypocrisy. Mr.
[2:52:09] um uh Winfield likes to say that that
[2:52:12] other commissioners have problems in
[2:52:15] their behavior. You know, this level of
[2:52:17] com uh of professionalism on 519, uh
[2:52:21] Commissioner Hading said, I'm going to
[2:52:23] ask Brian a question on and on. And then
[2:52:26] she says, um
[2:52:29] uh let me find it.
[2:52:35] the narrative like of like this where
[2:52:38] this was hatched, you know, been working
[2:52:40] on da da da. Mr. Winfield
[2:52:44] basically attacked Commissioner Hadine
[2:52:47] based on using the word hatch. Hatch is
[2:52:50] a pretty common word. It doesn't have
[2:52:52] negative connotations the way Mr.
[2:52:55] Winfield and if that's the best that Mr.
[2:52:57] Winfield has about commissioner Sadine's
[2:53:01] behavior.
[2:53:02] It's the mountain out of Mobile. Also,
[2:53:04] he states that um at 32853, we have
[2:53:09] citizens coming here that have been
[2:53:10] quote misinformed by commissioners about
[2:53:12] this commission. Um what's the evidence
[2:53:16] for this misinformation? He is making an
[2:53:19] accusation and not supporting it with
[2:53:22] anything else. Also, last meeting, uh, Ute, Miss McCandless, uh, made a
[2:53:27] pretty serious accusation about fraud,
[2:53:29] and you just said, "Oh, I'm just
[2:53:31] throwing this out there." Which is
[2:53:32] exactly it's a rhetorical trick that
[2:53:34] someone wants to do to make plausible
[2:53:36] deniability. So, you
[2:53:40] charge your fellow commissioners and
[2:53:43] other county level officials with fraud.
[2:53:47] How does that fit with the quorum?
[2:53:51] Oh, thank you for your um civil,
[2:53:53] constructive, and focused comments,
[2:53:55] Alison.
[2:53:57] Anyone else in the audience like to
[2:53:59] speak?
[2:54:00] I want to pee.
[2:54:08] My name is Pete Gross. That's a tough
[2:54:10] act to follow.
[2:54:13] So, I have a lot of questions which I
[2:54:15] know you can't answer, so consider them
[2:54:17] rhetorical.
[2:54:19] Um, first of all, citizens to be heard.
[2:54:21] Why did we limit it to just 5:00 an
[2:54:25] approximate time when before is four
[2:54:26] o'clock and six o'clock? You'd think
[2:54:28] you'd want to make it easier for
[2:54:29] citizens to provide you feedback rather
[2:54:32] than more challenging and and less uh
[2:54:34] definitive.
[2:54:36] Regarding the Burzone, um, again, did we get it wrong the last time? Did
[2:54:41] the original developers of the Grand
[2:54:43] County zoning map get it wrong?
[2:54:46] More importantly perhaps, do we even
[2:54:48] have enough water for all the all the
[2:54:50] development in the pipeline? As you
[2:54:53] know, even the county planning
[2:54:54] commission has presented this
[2:54:56] information that we might need to we
[2:54:58] have some water conservation acts and
[2:55:00] they're also thinking about, oh, we can
[2:55:01] just stick a straw into the Colorado
[2:55:03] River, which is not exactly a good idea
[2:55:06] since we don't even have the water
[2:55:08] right. We if we have the water rights,
[2:55:09] they're very junior to just about every
[2:55:11] other user.
[2:55:12] Um,
[2:55:14] oh, and we're talking about the board
[2:55:16] resone, are the property owners in
[2:55:19] adjacent property?
[2:55:21] Do they have an expectation of having
[2:55:24] the zoning that they bought into or now
[2:55:26] they might be faced with a new zoning?
[2:55:29] Okay. Probably the thing I want to echo,
[2:55:31] actually, I'd like to echo what Rory
[2:55:32] Paxman mentioned. Kylie Hoffsteader is
[2:55:36] seeking full funding for a victim
[2:55:38] advocate.
[2:55:39] She comes highly recommended by people
[2:55:42] that I know and respect.
[2:55:44] I view it as an investment, not an
[2:55:46] expense. It's if you were if you were a
[2:55:49] private investor, you'd look at this.
[2:55:50] Wow, this is a really high rate of
[2:55:51] return.
[2:55:56] Okay, one last comment.
[2:55:59] I get a little choked up. My oldest
[2:56:01] sister left her second husband after she
[2:56:04] got her nose broke. She would have
[2:56:06] benefited greatly from the map. Thank
[2:56:09] you.
[2:56:11] >> Thank you. Anyone else?
[2:56:22] » Good afternoon. My name is Carrie Davney
[2:56:24] and I'm a resident of Grand County and I
[2:56:27] would like to highlight the importance
[2:56:28] of the victim advocate position and the
[2:56:30] critical role it serves in our
[2:56:31] community. A victim advocate helps
[2:56:33] ensure that impacted individuals
[2:56:35] understand the criminal justice process
[2:56:37] while providing guidance and support as
[2:56:39] they navigate an incredibly difficult
[2:56:41] and delicate time in their lives. Having
[2:56:43] this as a full-time position within the
[2:56:45] county attorney's office helps ensure
[2:56:47] these individuals receive timely
[2:56:48] information, updates, and support
[2:56:51] throughout their case. With an increased
[2:56:53] budget and adequate resources, the
[2:56:54] victim advocate would also have greater
[2:56:56] ability to respond on scene when
[2:56:58] approving
[2:57:01] followup and offer continued support as
[2:57:03] individuals move through the process.
[2:57:05] Investing in this position is ultimately
[2:57:07] an investment in ensuring that impacted
[2:57:09] people in our community feel informed,
[2:57:12] supported, and connected to the
[2:57:13] resources they need during some of the
[2:57:15] most challenging moments of their lives.
[2:57:17] So, thank you.
[2:57:18] >> Thank you.
[2:57:30] I'm Susie Johnston and I live here in
[2:57:32] the county through here. I don't know if
[2:57:35] that makes any difference, but just so
[2:57:36] you know, um, you guys get attacked a
[2:57:39] lot and I don't think you deserve it. I
[2:57:42] just wanted to thank you for some of the
[2:57:43] things that you've done for business
[2:57:45] this year and maybe get it on the record
[2:57:47] somehow. Um, got to get my glasses.
[2:57:52] I'm really very excited that you balance
[2:57:55] the budget without increasing property
[2:57:57] tax taxes. Really excited because when
[2:58:01] you increase property taxes, businesses
[2:58:03] bear the burden the most and it makes it
[2:58:04] so they can't hire people, they can't
[2:58:06] give people raises, and they can't
[2:58:08] expand away. And I absolutely love the
[2:58:12] Moab area affordable housing plan. It's
[2:58:15] awesome, especially after all the years
[2:58:18] that people ran on ran for office on
[2:58:21] providing housing and nothing ever
[2:58:22] happened for years.
[2:58:26] And the problem is, of course, that
[2:58:28] businesses can't do their business if
[2:58:30] they can't employees
[2:58:34] because employees can't find housing. So
[2:58:36] now the Moab area affordable housing
[2:58:39] plan helps to change zoning and impact
[2:58:42] excessive fees so that lowincome housing
[2:58:44] is finally getting built in Moab and you
[2:58:46] can see it. Oh, thank you guys for that.
[2:58:49] That's awesome.
[2:58:51] The pilot show for Arches is an effort
[2:58:54] to make the visitor experience more
[2:58:55] enjoyable which can keep people coming
[2:58:57] to Moab. Since tourism is basically our
[2:59:00] only industry, anything you can do to
[2:59:02] help tourism helps our town. $50 per
[2:59:06] residence, which is what the county is
[2:59:07] paying for the shuttle, doesn't seem so
[2:59:10] much if you consider it an investment in
[2:59:12] our economy, which of course it is. This
[2:59:15] isn't the first shuttle to be tried in a
[2:59:16] park, and it sounds like Arches is in
[2:59:18] favor of a shuttle system. Sometimes it
[2:59:22] takes trial and error to find out what
[2:59:24] works, and that's why we have pilot
[2:59:25] programs. It works in other places, so
[2:59:28] it's worth trying here. And I thank you
[2:59:30] guys for all we do for our community.
[2:59:32] Anyone
[2:59:34] else?
[2:59:36] >> You know, we can't do two.
[2:59:38] >> You can't do two. Sorry.
[2:59:40] You can email us though. And you can
[2:59:42] always email us at
[2:59:43] commissiongrount.utahutah.gov.
[2:59:45] >> Okay.
[2:59:46] >> And you can also Yeah. Anytime you have
[2:59:48] questions that you actually want a
[2:59:49] response from, you can email us there
[2:59:51] because we can't speak back to you. Um,
[2:59:53] is there anyone else that wants to speak
[2:59:56] in the audience? We don't have anybody
[2:59:57] online, so we're going to go ahead and
[2:59:59] move along. All right. We're going to
[3:00:01] move along to number nine, which is an
[3:00:04] ordinance amending the 2026 consolidated
[3:00:08] band county fee schedule.
[3:00:12] » Oh goodness. Am I doing this one?
[3:00:14] >> How's your name on it?
[3:00:15] >> Goodness.
[3:00:21] Sorry, I don't have it printed out, but
[3:00:22] there were changes to the clerk's office
[3:00:26] budget
[3:00:27] where we've
[3:00:29] added in ground requests
[3:00:32] in compliance with state statute as
[3:00:34] amended. Um, the recorders, what did I
[3:00:37] say?
[3:00:37] >> Don't take
[3:00:39] >> Yeah.
[3:00:40] >> And a couple of OA fees got changed and
[3:00:42] the reporter's office changed the fees.
[3:00:44] It's very minimal and they're in red in
[3:00:46] the packet.
[3:00:47] Any questions?
[3:00:49] >> Any questions, Mike?
[3:00:50] >> Statement. I was the renter of the dump
[3:00:52] tank. Thank you. I' I'd love to pay for
[3:00:54] that. Uh two,
[3:00:57] I I'd like to make the motion. I move to
[3:01:00] approve the ordinance repealing and
[3:01:02] replacing ordinance 728 with updated
[3:01:04] Grand County consolidated fee schedule.
[3:01:07] >> I'll second.
[3:01:08] >> So Mike and then Bill had a second. Any
[3:01:11] more discussion or questions?
[3:01:14] No. Seeing none, call for a vote. Those
[3:01:16] in favor?
[3:01:18] >> I.
[3:01:19] >> Okay, that passes. Six with one absent.
[3:01:23] Commissioner.
[3:01:26] >> All right, we're moving on to number 10,
[3:01:28] consideration of an emergency purchase.
[3:01:30] >> Chair, I'm sorry. There were a couple of
[3:01:33] other changes in the fee schedule. Uh,
[3:01:36] one was the admin fees,
[3:01:39] also the special service districts.
[3:01:42] >> They're all read in the packet. Yes, I
[3:01:44] think everyone's had that information.
[3:01:46] So, it's still pretty
[3:01:49] >> Thank you.
[3:01:50] >> It's not in the packet. Those those
[3:01:52] >> are not in the packet.
[3:01:57] » Right.
[3:02:02] We'll add them in the packet or will we
[3:02:03] have to do those later? Attorney did
[3:02:07] those later. Yeah, we can do it.
[3:02:08] >> Yeah, I'm just going to do those later.
[3:02:09] So, they were not included in the
[3:02:11] packet. We're not going to include them.
[3:02:12] We can vote on them at a different time
[3:02:14] and they'll have to be at public hearing
[3:02:15] as well on those. So, okay. Because
[3:02:18] yeah, they weren't included at public
[3:02:19] hearing either.
[3:02:22] All right, we're moving on to number 10,
[3:02:24] which is the consideration of emergency
[3:02:26] purchase of civic plus media meetings.
[3:02:30] And this is well, it's the
[3:02:32] administrative office. It could be you
[3:02:33] or Mark.
[3:02:47] So due to some unfortunate
[3:02:48] circumstances, we had our YouTube
[3:02:51] account briefly suspended. Um we've
[3:02:54] taken some pretty big steps to ensure
[3:02:56] that that doesn't happen again.
[3:02:57] Obviously our YouTube channel is back.
[3:02:58] We're on YouTube right now. Um there is
[3:03:02] an option. So, if you guys remember, we
[3:03:04] had Civic
[3:03:09] Plus Civic. I can't remember what the
[3:03:10] original agenda packet was when the
[3:03:12] agenda was just all in a PDF form. In
[3:03:14] 22, we adopted the Civic Clerk software
[3:03:16] add-on that enables us to put the agenda
[3:03:19] online with all the links that you click
[3:03:21] and see all the packet information that
[3:03:23] is not generated manually. Thank you
[3:03:25] very much for approving that expense and
[3:03:27] the ongoing expenditure of that. It
[3:03:29] dramatically decreases the packet
[3:03:30] generation workload.
[3:03:32] Um, we did at that time look into a
[3:03:35] module called civic media that allows us
[3:03:39] to stream the med the commission
[3:03:41] meetings in addition not only to YouTube
[3:03:43] but to our brand county website as well
[3:03:47] because civic media is an add-on to
[3:03:48] Civic Plus which is who provides our
[3:03:50] website.
[3:03:52] This solves a couple of problems, but
[3:03:56] the big one that it solves is that if we
[3:03:58] ever have any problem or troubles
[3:03:59] backing up our videos, we are under
[3:04:02] contract with Civic Media to host and
[3:04:05] store those videos. And we confirmed in
[3:04:08] the walkthrough demonstration last week
[3:04:10] that the there is no limit on the amount
[3:04:13] of videos that we can store or the
[3:04:15] amount of minutes that can be streamed.
[3:04:17] Um,
[3:04:19] and we are not at the whim of a
[3:04:21] corporation with whom we have no
[3:04:23] contract, which is what YouTube is. So,
[3:04:25] uh, this is $5,500 per year plus $850
[3:04:29] setup fee. It would be about four weeks
[3:04:31] to implement. Once implemented, you'd be
[3:04:33] able to click on the agenda and actually
[3:04:34] stream the meeting from the actual
[3:04:36] agenda page itself. It would appear in a
[3:04:39] small corner. There's a few different
[3:04:40] ways we can implement that. And I do I
[3:04:42] do think our intention right now is to
[3:04:43] keep the YouTube channel as well, but
[3:04:45] this allows us a backup in case the
[3:04:47] YouTube chat does go away. And I can
[3:04:50] answer most questions on it. I think has
[3:04:52] any
[3:04:54] >> twofold here. I'd move to approve the
[3:04:56] emergency purchase of civic plus media
[3:04:58] module to live stream county meetings on
[3:05:01] the Grand County website. And if I get a
[3:05:05] second by Bill
[3:05:07] >> uh comment with that too. Uh, I heard
[3:05:10] when YouTube went down or we got taken
[3:05:12] off YouTube uh quite literally to my
[3:05:15] phone from several of our constituents.
[3:05:17] So, this is a no-brainer.
[3:05:20] >> And I will say that we've discussed this
[3:05:21] in our monthly leadership meetings and
[3:05:23] Dana and I have come up with a few
[3:05:24] different protocols. Um, we're going to
[3:05:26] try and encourage everyone
[3:05:29] to more strictly adhere to our Zoom
[3:05:31] meeting protocols. Obviously, this is
[3:05:32] something we take very seriously. Most
[3:05:34] of you aware of the important event. We
[3:05:36] don't want that to happen. Obviously,
[3:05:38] it's so we're trying our best.
[3:05:41] >> Yeah,
[3:05:42] >> I agree. In the name of transparency and
[3:05:44] keeping everything in in house and just
[3:05:47] making all of this uh all these
[3:05:49] important meetings available to to our
[3:05:51] constituents. This is a easy one
[3:05:53] >> and and I will say that um it took us a
[3:05:56] solid week to get an actual response and
[3:05:59] thanks to Matt for getting that done. He
[3:06:00] reached out to some of his contacts at
[3:06:02] YouTube or at Google and then
[3:06:04] subsequently YouTube to actually get
[3:06:06] that resolved. I I was reach a real
[3:06:08] person. So, our civic costs keep going
[3:06:12] up. But I do think this solves a problem
[3:06:14] that we have.
[3:06:16] >> It'll be easier for constituents. I
[3:06:19] struggle to find things on YouTube that
[3:06:21] are older. So, I think that be nice.
[3:06:23] >> Yeah, this will link the individual
[3:06:24] video to the agenda.
[3:06:26] >> Yeah, it's kind of cool that way.
[3:06:28] >> Thank you. All right. So, we have a
[3:06:31] motion and a second. All Any more
[3:06:33] discussion? All in favor?
[3:06:36] All right.
[3:06:37] >> Okay, that passes 70. Thank you. All
[3:06:40] right. Number 11 is the consideration of
[3:06:43] 25,00 sorry, $2,500 in matching support
[3:06:48] for the promised baby and new early
[3:06:50] childhood programs. And Commissioner
[3:06:52] Martinez, do you want to this?
[3:06:54] >> Yeah, I'll go ahead and introduce it
[3:06:55] real quick. So, our village is piloting
[3:06:58] a Promise Baby and You. Uh, it's a free
[3:07:01] 9-week workshop series for parents of
[3:07:03] children ages 0 to three. Um, it's been
[3:07:07] developed through Promise Partnership in
[3:07:08] Utah and it will be uh starting here in
[3:07:11] Grand County this fall. Um, so while the
[3:07:14] parents receive the training, their
[3:07:16] children are provided meals on-site
[3:07:18] child care and every family that
[3:07:20] completes the course receives a seated
[3:07:23] $500 uh my uh 529 college savings
[3:07:27] account for their child. Um, the
[3:07:29] requested $2,500 uh funds the art
[3:07:32] supplies and learning supplies for the
[3:07:34] children's program to run along each
[3:07:36] session. I just wanted to make sure uh
[3:07:38] thanks for letting me present that. I
[3:07:40] just wanted to let the community know
[3:07:42] that this program was going to be coming
[3:07:44] available this fall.
[3:07:46] >> You know, I wanted to comment a little
[3:07:47] bit more on this program because um my
[3:07:50] priority number six in the chair's
[3:07:52] priority statement is economic mobility
[3:07:54] and promise partnership and uh Utah's
[3:07:58] promise organization, the 211 of Utah.
[3:08:00] They focus specifically on cradle to
[3:08:02] career education. So removing barriers
[3:08:04] and improving access to basic needs
[3:08:06] through data-driven community
[3:08:08] partnerships. They have four other pro
[3:08:10] they have other programs as well. So
[3:08:12] this is the first is that that baby
[3:08:13] program. They also have a promise
[3:08:16] student advocates where students are
[3:08:17] working with other students on a peer
[3:08:19] level CTE pathways and community
[3:08:23] information exchange. So there's other
[3:08:25] pieces of this program that we're hoping
[3:08:27] to bring into our community as well. And
[3:08:29] I think this is a really great
[3:08:30] partnership and I really appreciate
[3:08:31] Brian and Bill and Melissa on all their
[3:08:34] work on this project.
[3:08:38] All right.
[3:08:39] >> What account are we Yeah.
[3:08:40] >> Oh, account are we paying this out of?
[3:08:44] >> I think it says commission
[3:08:45] discretionary, doesn't it?
[3:08:47] >> And it also says general fund
[3:08:49] >> Oh, thank you. Yeah, you're correct.
[3:08:53] >> How much do we have in our
[3:08:54] discretionary?
[3:08:56] >> So, we have a print out in front of us.
[3:08:58] >> The discretionary balance is $8,395.15.
[3:09:03] And if you if you wish to take the Civic
[3:09:06] Plus out of that, you have about 2,800
[3:09:09] left,
[3:09:11] but you could take this 2500 out of if
[3:09:13] you would like,
[3:09:14] >> but there's some that's already been
[3:09:15] allotted to um information as well,
[3:09:18] right? That that amount doesn't is
[3:09:21] what's left in that account, but not
[3:09:24] been allocated as well.
[3:09:25] >> Did we vote to take the Civic Plus out
[3:09:28] of there? No. specific cost will figure
[3:09:30] out what are you getting paid.
[3:09:33] >> Okay.
[3:09:34] I recommend a $2,500 grant match
[3:09:37] for the our baby and you program from
[3:09:39] the commission discretionary account.
[3:09:43] >> Am I right?
[3:09:45] Any more discussion?
[3:09:47] >> I have a question, Mel.
[3:09:49] >> Okay.
[3:09:50] >> And Brian, is this just a one time one
[3:09:53] time expenditure? It's not going to be
[3:09:55] yearly. It's just a grant match.
[3:09:58] Um, I'm not sure if the uh if the it is
[3:10:01] a pilot program, so we'll have to see
[3:10:02] how it works and if it's going to be
[3:10:04] successful. I'm sure that we'll see it
[3:10:06] again next year.
[3:10:08] >> Okay. And then that being said, was it I
[3:10:10] think it was one of you brought forth
[3:10:13] this idea of like if we're going to have
[3:10:16] and maybe maybe I'm just making this up,
[3:10:18] but I feel like we've had the discussion
[3:10:20] of these entities that we are supporting
[3:10:23] that we wanted to kind of formalize that
[3:10:26] process. And I'm not talking about
[3:10:28] tonight. I'm fine with this one if it's
[3:10:30] just a one-time match. But if we are
[3:10:32] going to, you know, put these people on
[3:10:34] basically as a line item of our budget
[3:10:37] that we're going to have a formal
[3:10:38] process like here's who we're supporting
[3:10:40] and why. Um, so I'm just kind of
[3:10:42] bringing that up. I'm I'm supportive of
[3:10:44] this. Um, the other thing I want to
[3:10:46] state is is I appreciate that somebody I
[3:10:49] can't remember talked about the
[3:10:51] discretionary fund. I just want to kind
[3:10:53] of make sure that we don't over um
[3:10:55] extend that budget. So it's great to
[3:10:56] know that that's within budget. Thank
[3:10:58] you.
[3:11:00] >> I do want to comment that I think the
[3:11:01] discretionary fund is done. I mean I
[3:11:03] don't know that we can fund anything
[3:11:04] else out of it by looking at the
[3:11:07] numbers. So
[3:11:08] >> it's John Kas if I may.
[3:11:10] >> Yeah.
[3:11:11] >> I think it's likely that the civic
[3:11:12] medium.
[3:11:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. So don't plan on finding
[3:11:16] anything else out of the discretionary
[3:11:18] in my there's not much. All right. So we
[3:11:22] had a first and a second.
[3:11:24] Any other discussion? All right, we'll
[3:11:27] go ahead and vote. All in favor?
[3:11:30] >> I
[3:11:31] >> that passes 7 zero.
[3:11:35] And our next one, thank you for being so
[3:11:38] patient in the audience. Um, as we have
[3:11:40] Amanda and Elizabeth from Four Corners
[3:11:43] Behavioral Health and we're doing the
[3:11:46] proclamation of the September 2026
[3:11:50] suicide prevention
[3:11:53] and last year you wanted one of us to
[3:11:55] read out loud and we could do that
[3:11:56] again. I would love so much if it could
[3:11:58] be read out loud. I know that it's
[3:11:59] wordy. I'm a wordy person, but it does
[3:12:02] just um open the door for conversation
[3:12:04] and uh opportunity to make connections
[3:12:07] within the community when they hear the
[3:12:08] language that's behind the proclamation.
[3:12:10] So, I would be honored if you could read
[3:12:12] it out loud before we talk about it
[3:12:14] more.
[3:12:14] >> Happy to read it unless someone else
[3:12:16] wanted to. Jo. Okay, sure. Go ahead.
[3:12:18] >> So, this is the the whereas right
[3:12:20] suicide prevention awareness month
[3:12:21] proclamation. Okay. Proclamation. a
[3:12:24] proclamation by the county commissioners
[3:12:25] of Grand County, Utah, proclaiming
[3:12:27] September 2026 to be suicide prevention
[3:12:31] and awareness month. Whereas the state
[3:12:33] of Utah has consistently been in the top
[3:12:35] states for suicide deaths since 2012,
[3:12:38] currently 11th in the nation versus 2025
[3:12:40] reporting of seventh. And whereas
[3:12:43] Carbon, Emery, and Grand counties often
[3:12:45] lead the state of Utah on suicide deaths
[3:12:46] per capita. And whereas people who lose
[3:12:50] their loved ones to suicide are at a 30%
[3:12:52] higher risk of ending their lives by
[3:12:53] suicide as a learned coping mechanism
[3:12:55] and learned behavior. And whereas the
[3:12:59] risk of suicide can be reduced through
[3:13:01] awareness, proper evidence-based
[3:13:03] training, including self uh messaging,
[3:13:06] educational resources, resources, and
[3:13:09] treatment. And whereas according to the
[3:13:11] American Foundation for Suicide
[3:13:12] Prevention Statistics, suicide is the
[3:13:14] first leading cause of death among Utons
[3:13:16] aged 15 to 24.
[3:13:19] And it was second in 2025. The second
[3:13:21] leading cause of death among ages 25 to
[3:13:24] 34, no change. Second for ages 35 to 44,
[3:13:28] no change. Fourth for ages 45 to 54, no
[3:13:31] change. Sixth for ages 55 to 64, which
[3:13:35] has the highest rate of suicide. fourth
[3:13:38] in 2025 and seventh for ages 65 and
[3:13:41] older, which was 18th in 2025. And
[3:13:44] whereas suicide has ripple effects that
[3:13:46] affect everyone, suicide is everyone's
[3:13:48] business, talking about suicide does not
[3:13:50] plant the idea of self harm. And suicide
[3:13:53] is one of the most preventable deaths
[3:13:54] that can be eradicated by one, learning
[3:13:57] the warning signs of depression and
[3:13:58] suicidal ideiation. Two, knowing how and
[3:14:01] when to ask about one's suicidal
[3:14:03] thoughts. Three, being aware of
[3:14:06] self-saving measures such as safe safe
[3:14:08] storage of firearms and medications. And
[3:14:11] four, familiarizing ourselves with the
[3:14:13] resources available locally such as Four
[3:14:15] Corners Community Behavioral Health
[3:14:17] statewide such as live on Utah and
[3:14:20] nationwide such as calling or texting
[3:14:22] 988 the suicide and crisis lifeline.
[3:14:27] Now therefore, we Grand County
[3:14:28] Commissioners Hadler, Haden, Martinez,
[3:14:31] McCandless, Chair Mccandas, McCertie,
[3:14:34] Man, and Vice Chair Winfield, on this
[3:14:37] 18th day of August, 2026, do hereby
[3:14:39] proclaim September 26 to be suicide
[3:14:42] prevention and awareness month in the
[3:14:44] county of Grant and encourage all
[3:14:46] residents of Grant County to recognize
[3:14:48] how serious suicide is and the steps
[3:14:50] each of us can take to protect those
[3:14:52] around us from this preventable tragedy,
[3:14:55] one with devastating generational and
[3:14:57] communitywide effects. Thank you all for
[3:15:00] your work on this.
[3:15:02] >> Go ahead. Um I have Mike,
[3:15:06] » I don't don't want me to take it. This hits us all. It's hard to keep a
[3:15:10] straight face up here making this motion
[3:15:12] uh as it's touched my family uh a little
[3:15:15] too much. Um in that I move to proclaim
[3:15:18] September 2026 to be suicide prevention
[3:15:22] and awareness month.
[3:15:24] Second.
[3:15:25] >> Okay. and Edwards.
[3:15:27] >> All right. Any other discussion?
[3:15:30] >> I would just like to invite all of you
[3:15:32] to a couple of events that we have
[3:15:34] happening in Grant County to commemorate
[3:15:36] September Suicide Prevention Awareness
[3:15:39] Month. They were included in the packet
[3:15:41] that I sent to to Dana. But um uh the
[3:15:44] first one is on World Suicide Prevention
[3:15:46] Day, which happens every year on
[3:15:48] September 10th. Um this year it will be
[3:15:50] held at Swany Park. Um Beth will be
[3:15:52] facilitating that and it's an
[3:15:54] opportunity, a free opportunity for
[3:15:56] community members who have lost a loved
[3:15:58] one to suicide to gather with other lost
[3:16:00] survivors in the community and create a
[3:16:03] community within a community of support
[3:16:04] and love and hope. Um, we we offer uh
[3:16:08] battery operated candles and at 8
[3:16:11] o'clock worldwide in respected time
[3:16:13] zones, a light a candle is lit in honor
[3:16:16] of our loved ones because although they
[3:16:18] may not be walking beside us physically
[3:16:20] here on earth, their light never dims as
[3:16:22] long as we remember them and give them
[3:16:24] um give their legacy a name. The second
[3:16:28] event is happening on the last Saturday
[3:16:30] of September, September 26th. Um again
[3:16:33] it's uh no excuse me it's at Grand
[3:16:35] County High School. Um we are doing the
[3:16:38] second annual um walk for the American
[3:16:41] Foundation for Suicide Prevention. It
[3:16:43] too is a free event and everybody is
[3:16:46] encouraged to register by going to
[3:16:47] afsp.orgab org/moab
[3:16:51] and uh again it's another opportunity to
[3:16:54] bring our community together whether you
[3:16:56] are a loss survivor, somebody who has
[3:16:58] survived a suicide attempt or are
[3:17:01] support supporting a loved one who is
[3:17:03] currently in a mental health crisis to
[3:17:05] come together, learn resources, hear
[3:17:07] from amazing inspirational uh speakers
[3:17:11] and uh do a do a walk that just
[3:17:14] commemorates the the love and the uh
[3:17:17] again the legacy of the loved ones that
[3:17:19] we have lost to suicide. There are a lot
[3:17:22] of things that the that Four Corners
[3:17:24] Community for Labor Health are doing by
[3:17:26] way of helping our community here in
[3:17:27] Moab and beyond for suicide prevention.
[3:17:30] Um I'm doing all the talking. Beth is so
[3:17:33] used to this. Um, Beth, I don't know if
[3:17:36] you know, is a new member of the
[3:17:37] American Foundation for Suicide
[3:17:39] Prevention board, Utah board, which is
[3:17:41] huge for Grant County, because that
[3:17:43] means that there are nationwide
[3:17:44] resources being streamed in in our
[3:17:47] community where the the funding for
[3:17:49] suicide prevention is so so little. So,
[3:17:51] with that partnership with the American
[3:17:53] Foundation for Suicide Prevention, we
[3:17:55] are um able to offer educational
[3:17:58] resources. We are able to offer free
[3:18:00] suicide prevention trainings. And
[3:18:02] because of uh the the grant money that
[3:18:04] we have through Four Corners Community
[3:18:06] Behavioral Health, those means
[3:18:07] restrictions that are that are noted in
[3:18:10] the proclamation are free for our
[3:18:11] community. So we have gun locks, we have
[3:18:13] gun safes, we have biometric handgun
[3:18:16] safes coming to a neighborhood near you
[3:18:18] soon, soon as I can get them labeled.
[3:18:19] And um also we have medication lock
[3:18:22] boxes and bags. And so if anybody in the
[3:18:25] community is worried about a loved one,
[3:18:26] please do not hesitate to reach out to
[3:18:28] four corners or calling, texting, uh
[3:18:31] chatting online with 988, that will get
[3:18:33] you in touch with our local mobile
[3:18:35] crisis outreach team and we will get
[3:18:38] those u mean safety right into your
[3:18:40] hands. We will get you a grant to
[3:18:42] deliver those. So um thank you so much
[3:18:44] for your time this evening. I told you
[3:18:46] I'm worthy. You know this, sir.
[3:18:51] >> What would you repeat that number? 988.
[3:18:54] >> I thought that's what you said. Yes.
[3:18:56] Okay.
[3:18:57] >> Can you please uh forward the event
[3:18:59] information? I'd love to help get the
[3:19:00] word out for you.
[3:19:01] >> Excellent.
[3:19:02] >> Uh just commission.
[3:19:03] >> Okay. Yep. Um I believe it was a part of
[3:19:05] the original proclamation, but I will
[3:19:07] I'm more than happy to send it out
[3:19:08] again.
[3:19:11] >> Thank you all so very much.
[3:19:12] >> Thank you. We appreciate you a minute
[3:19:14] now.
[3:19:16] >> Excellent. So I just defer to her. But
[3:19:19] we didn't have questions feel free.
[3:19:23] >> I guess I should let you finish doing
[3:19:24] your part. It's fine. [laughter]
[3:19:26] Elizabeth, did you have anything you
[3:19:27] wanted to add?
[3:19:28] >> No, I I was just saying uh Amanda is our
[3:19:31] suicide prevention liaison. She is the
[3:19:33] expert. Um so I defer to her. Um but I'm
[3:19:37] happy to field any questions. You can
[3:19:39] reach out to me at any time. Just Yeah.
[3:19:43] Great. Thank you. Okay. So we have a a
[3:19:46] first and a second for this
[3:19:48] proclamation. So all in favor
[3:19:51] >> I
[3:19:52] >> and that passes 70. Not that we had any
[3:19:55] worries that
[3:19:58] I had somebody asked the other night
[3:19:59] what if what if they said no and I said
[3:20:01] well then I'm going to catch some
[3:20:02] charges. No, I'm just kidding.
[3:20:04] >> I'm totally kidding.
[3:20:08] » Thank you all so much.
[3:20:09] >> Thank you commissioners.
[3:20:11] >> Thank you. see you guys at these events.
[3:20:13] And
[3:20:14] >> yes, thanks.
[3:20:15] >> Okay,
[3:20:17] >> moving on to number 13, which is the
[3:20:21] consideration of reclassification of the
[3:20:24] Grand County
[3:20:26] um attorney's office victim advocate. I
[3:20:29] don't even know what the acronym is for
[3:20:30] that. So, all right, let's see.
[3:20:32] >> Um just by way of background
[3:20:34] information, currently this position is
[3:20:36] with county attorney's office and a
[3:20:37] part-time capacity role. Um, this item
[3:20:40] is being raised back for a full-time
[3:20:42] consideration. Full-time would allow for
[3:20:44] the victim advocate to be able to
[3:20:46] provide additional resources beyond um
[3:20:48] what she is able to clearly provide. I I
[3:20:52] know the commission um has had questions
[3:20:55] about funding this. Um I have indicated
[3:20:57] to the commission that is my goal to
[3:20:59] look for and find additional funding. In
[3:21:01] the event that this is approved, we will
[3:21:02] continue to search for funding. During
[3:21:04] this meeting tonight, at one point I
[3:21:06] slipped out to join on to a meeting with
[3:21:09] uh the state who is applying for a grant
[3:21:11] in this area. And one of the things that
[3:21:13] they indicated that they would be able
[3:21:14] to provide if the grant is accepted 13
[3:21:18] or $1,000 or sorry $13,900
[3:21:21] annually for three years for prosecution
[3:21:24] services in the implementation of uh
[3:21:27] stringulation training in Odara. Um
[3:21:29] those are some uh grant opportunities.
[3:21:32] Grand County is being highlighted by the
[3:21:34] state as a new um kind of pilot program
[3:21:38] for domestic violence across the state.
[3:21:40] They have hired um Miss Mc Court who is
[3:21:44] one of uh one position throughout the
[3:21:46] entire state that's focusing on domestic
[3:21:48] violence and that is being done with
[3:21:50] Bernal's justice court and Grand
[3:21:52] County's justice court. And so Judge
[3:21:55] Walsh O'Donnell is also on that panel.
[3:21:57] We're working to kind of do a better
[3:21:59] response to domestic violence in smaller
[3:22:01] communities. um like our resort
[3:22:02] community as well. Uh we've been working
[3:22:05] on additional funding through other
[3:22:07] means as I've mentioned frequently. We
[3:22:09] participated in the ICCR which is the
[3:22:12] Institute of Community Coordinated
[3:22:13] Response Domestic Violence. Um my office
[3:22:16] is dedicated to providing as much
[3:22:17] resource as we can. Uh we brought this
[3:22:19] position on originally as a part-time
[3:22:21] position and position is very
[3:22:24] successful. Um but we we need additional
[3:22:26] time and we we have too much need. we
[3:22:30] continue to have bigger cases that come
[3:22:32] through and so it's our request to uh
[3:22:35] bring this classification for the
[3:22:36] commission for consideration and
[3:22:37] approval this evening.
[3:22:39] >> Okay, Bill. Um, I'd like to make the
[3:22:42] motion and then possibly some comment if
[3:22:45] we get second, but I move to approve the
[3:22:47] reclassification of the part-time Grand
[3:22:50] County Attorney's Office victim advocate
[3:22:53] position to a full-time benefited
[3:22:56] position effective 8312026
[3:23:01] with participation from both the county
[3:23:04] attorney's office and the sheriff's
[3:23:06] office in the use of this position.
[3:23:12] Okay. Any more discussion? Oh, you
[3:23:14] wanted to comment again, Bill. I mean,
[3:23:15] >> I I think um it's critical that we make
[3:23:18] sure that both of those departments have
[3:23:20] access to this position. I mean, there's
[3:23:22] um I we can't even speak sometimes to
[3:23:26] the amount of tragedies that happen and
[3:23:28] sometimes they're people that Steven's
[3:23:31] office has to deal with and others their
[3:23:33] accidents or whatever out in the public
[3:23:35] as we just had on the highway the other
[3:23:37] night. So it it's critical that we do
[3:23:40] fund this and it's critical that we work
[3:23:42] together with those two departments was
[3:23:44] what my whole goal was.
[3:23:48] [clears throat]
[3:23:49] >> Do you have a comment too big?
[3:23:51] >> Yeah. No, I think this is this this is
[3:23:53] it's a it's a tight budgeting season
[3:23:55] obviously and and we need to look at all
[3:23:57] these uh reclassifications and um uh
[3:24:01] upgrades I guess you could say
[3:24:02] carefully, but this is this is
[3:24:04] definitely one that in my opinion is
[3:24:06] necessary and um definitely appreciate
[3:24:10] everything that the victim's advocate
[3:24:12] has been doing and giving uh her the
[3:24:14] opportunity to work full-time makes ton
[3:24:19] of sense. in favor of this.
[3:24:22] >> Okay, Trish has her hand up.
[3:24:26] » Thank you. I I I want to make it clear
[3:24:28] to citizens that that spoke, they it
[3:24:31] seems like some of them um weren't
[3:24:35] understanding that we do have a victim's
[3:24:37] advocate. So, I want to make sure that
[3:24:38] they understand that we we do currently
[3:24:40] have a a part-time victim's advocate.
[3:24:43] This is this is extremely hard for me,
[3:24:46] but I am not going to vote for this. And
[3:24:49] the reason being is I do not want to
[3:24:52] stray. Um I don't want to be a
[3:24:54] hypocrite. I think I have repeatedly
[3:24:57] maybe even hundreds of times stated how
[3:25:00] concerned I am about the budget. And and
[3:25:05] yet even in today's meeting, we had a
[3:25:08] commissioner talk about adding another
[3:25:10] part-time position. I've heard multiple
[3:25:13] commissioners talking about bloated
[3:25:15] budgets, using that term, talking about
[3:25:17] continuing to grow budgets, using that
[3:25:20] term. And so that being said, it's
[3:25:23] really difficult when we have these one
[3:25:25] at a time asks that are like this is a
[3:25:29] really difficult ask for me. Um, a lot
[3:25:33] of us talk about having personal
[3:25:35] experiences. I had a lived a lot of my
[3:25:39] life with these types of experiences.
[3:25:41] Um, so this is very difficult for me and
[3:25:44] I know the need in our community. But at
[3:25:46] the same time, and I believe this and I
[3:25:48] talked to Tess and Quinn about this the
[3:25:50] other day, I think we need to have a
[3:25:52] holistic look at our staffing and the
[3:25:56] needs. And that being said, let admin
[3:25:59] and HR go through those needs and
[3:26:02] prioritize them. And hopefully that'll flesh out. And I'm not at all
[3:26:07] talking specifically about Stephen and
[3:26:09] this ask today. I'm just talking in
[3:26:12] general. I hope that in in the next year
[3:26:15] we can have that holistic view of these
[3:26:18] are these are our budgeting resources
[3:26:19] and what are our greatest needs and
[3:26:21] where do we want them to go? And I think
[3:26:23] this is a huge need and I think it it
[3:26:26] far overcomes a lot of the things that
[3:26:29] we've spent money on just randomly and
[3:26:32] huge sums of money. I won't get into
[3:26:34] that, but I'm going to kind of continue
[3:26:38] my path of stating we can't keep growing
[3:26:41] the budget. And I say it and I actually
[3:26:44] mean it and I vote like that. Other
[3:26:46] people say it and they don't actually
[3:26:48] follow through. So, that's where I'm at.
[3:26:52] >> You have another comment. Oh, wait.
[3:26:54] Mike's gonna go before I go. Yeah.
[3:26:57] uh
[3:26:59] easily sitting in the room here tonight,
[3:27:00] we have some very opposing views on our
[3:27:04] local politics. Everyone spoke highly
[3:27:06] for this. It didn't m matter your
[3:27:09] political background. It it matters that
[3:27:11] this affects people and uh obviously
[3:27:14] she's helping our community.
[3:27:17] I mean, it was spoken for tonight by the
[3:27:20] uh by all of our constituents uh from
[3:27:23] all teams. uh and makes the makes the
[3:27:26] choice to support this pretty easy.
[3:27:32] » Brian, go ahead.
[3:27:34] >> Yeah, just real quick when we're looking
[3:27:36] at this, there are certain services that
[3:27:38] we have to provide for our citiz
[3:27:40] citizenry and this is one of those
[3:27:42] services. Previously, I know that we
[3:27:44] were using the uh uh the city of Moab's
[3:27:47] victim advocate um in previous years and
[3:27:49] so moving this over to Grand County, I
[3:27:51] think that there was some questions on
[3:27:53] was this going to be a part-time
[3:27:55] position and um it's sad that the need
[3:27:58] is there for this to be a full-time
[3:28:00] position, but but I completely support
[3:28:01] it.
[3:28:05] » Yeah. And I think all of us as
[3:28:07] commissioners have the opportunity to
[3:28:09] help in looking for funding for this. I
[3:28:11] know that the attorney general's office
[3:28:14] and Tracy Tabet have done a great job of
[3:28:18] funding the Children's Justice Center
[3:28:21] and are also working towards funding
[3:28:23] this position as well. So, I I think we
[3:28:25] can all reach out and build that bridge
[3:28:28] and spend some time in efforts that
[3:28:31] bring back some grant funding to support
[3:28:33] this position.
[3:28:35] >> Mike, you had another comment.
[3:28:36] >> Oh, very much so. Uh please keep me
[3:28:38] appraised. you know, we go up uh to
[3:28:41] legislature. Uh you know, we speak with
[3:28:43] uh almost everyone, but if there's
[3:28:45] chances out there, I would really like
[3:28:47] uh please point them for us uh towards
[3:28:50] us that go up.
[3:28:51] >> Yeah. I just if I can share, I want to
[3:28:54] appreciate the the commission. I know
[3:28:56] this this was presented um previously
[3:28:59] with other other items and I appreciate
[3:29:02] the con the commission considering this
[3:29:04] position again on its own. I think it is
[3:29:06] a unique position for this community and
[3:29:08] I understand that it's a big ask and
[3:29:10] it's a hard ask and my office is asking
[3:29:12] for it um in a less than ideal time but
[3:29:15] there's um there's a great need and I I
[3:29:18] really appreciate and appreciate the
[3:29:20] commission for considering it.
[3:29:22] >> Thank you.
[3:29:24] >> All right, we'll go ahead and call for a
[3:29:25] vote. Those in favor
[3:29:28] >> I
[3:29:30] >> and those opposed.
[3:29:33] All right, that passes. Sixth one with
[3:29:35] Commissioner Hebdine opposed.
[3:29:38] Okay, moving on to number 14 is a
[3:29:40] consideration of reclassification of
[3:29:41] Sandpots recreation area lead technician
[3:29:44] and we have Andrea Brand, our director
[3:29:45] of operations. Thank you.
[3:29:48] >> Thank you for the opportunity to come
[3:29:50] before you today. Um, just as a
[3:29:52] background to our citizens, I know you
[3:29:54] folks know that uh, SAM Plats is an
[3:29:57] enterprise fund under the under the
[3:29:59] county. And so we would uh this um ask
[3:30:03] in this uh line item would not come from
[3:30:06] any general funding monies. Uh so um
[3:30:10] recently at uh Thailix meeting um
[3:30:13] actually it was back in in May I believe
[3:30:16] um members at the meeting complimented
[3:30:18] GCAT about their upkeep of the raptor
[3:30:21] route and Evan Smiley said he couldn't
[3:30:24] take the credit this time because it was
[3:30:26] Samplat staff that had uh done the
[3:30:29] maintenance and the upkeep on that
[3:30:31] section of trip. And um so
[3:30:35] uh we have a position that has not been
[3:30:37] filled for a few years and I have a uh
[3:30:41] employee that has just really stepped
[3:30:44] forward with helping to improve and
[3:30:46] maintain our trails and uh with the
[3:30:50] increase in visitation and popularity of
[3:30:52] these trails. In particular, I'm talking
[3:30:54] about the raptor route which has seen
[3:30:56] about 20,000
[3:30:58] uh folks last year in nine months which
[3:31:00] is rivaling uh whole enchilada trail. So
[3:31:04] with those needs um I'm asking to uh
[3:31:07] have support to uh put this person in a
[3:31:11] lead seasonal recreation technician
[3:31:13] position. uh we are only looking at uh
[3:31:16] less than $2,000 this year and then next
[3:31:20] year uh it would be $8,500 over the
[3:31:23] course of the whole year. Um also the
[3:31:25] hours would increase from 1,080 hours uh
[3:31:29] per year to 1,200 hours. This is still a
[3:31:32] part-time position, not a benefited
[3:31:34] position. Um, and so, uh, I think it
[3:31:38] would really help us on the ground to,
[3:31:40] uh, continue to, um, maintain our our
[3:31:43] trails and for our visitors and our
[3:31:45] locals.
[3:31:46] >> Okay. And Bill, can you hand up?
[3:31:49] >> Yeah. I move to approve the
[3:31:50] reclassification of the SFR recreation
[3:31:54] technician one position to SFRA
[3:31:59] lead recreation technician effective 831
[3:32:02] 2026.
[3:32:04] I'll second it.
[3:32:06] >> Okay.
[3:32:09] [clears throat]
[3:32:09] >> Thank you uh for explaining that to
[3:32:12] citizens to where uh money comes from
[3:32:14] and actually putting in the packet. It
[3:32:16] was very nice too that it it it's coming
[3:32:18] from fund 70 uh as good information to
[3:32:21] let everyone know.
[3:32:26] » Okay. Any other discussion questions?
[3:32:30] We'll call for a vote on that. So
[3:32:32] considering consideration of
[3:32:34] reclassification sands recreation all in
[3:32:36] favor
[3:32:39] and opposes
[3:32:44] six to one with commissioner Martinez
[3:32:46] opposed.
[3:32:47] >> Thank you very
[3:32:48] >> No, that's not Can you uh uh uh in favor
[3:32:52] of that vote?
[3:32:52] >> Oh, you like Okay, sorry. That passes
[3:32:56] 70. Thank you, Bri. It's hard to find
[3:32:58] your spot online sometimes. I just had
[3:33:00] to do it.
[3:33:02] >> [laughter]
[3:33:03] >> 70. Thank you, Andrea.
[3:33:06] Okay. Number 15 is resolution amending
[3:33:08] the employee handbook at the military
[3:33:10] policy and that's with Tess, our
[3:33:13] personal service director.
[3:33:16] We have Laura here taking this.
[3:33:23] » All right. Good evening, commissioners.
[3:33:26] So for this amendment to our military
[3:33:29] pay policy um we are making two two
[3:33:35] categories of changes. One is ensuring
[3:33:37] that we are more clearly reflecting both
[3:33:40] the federal protection of absences
[3:33:43] related to qualifying military
[3:33:46] assignments. And we are also clarifying
[3:33:49] that um any paid military leave provided
[3:33:53] by Grand County is not a leave bank that
[3:33:57] employees um take with them if they are
[3:33:59] departing from from Grand County. We
[3:34:02] currently provide up to 80 hours of paid
[3:34:05] leave for qualifying military
[3:34:07] assignments. So for instance, if they
[3:34:09] need to go to training, etc.
[3:34:12] We are also in the second category
[3:34:14] requesting that we bump that bank of 80
[3:34:17] hours up to 120 hours which reflects
[3:34:19] currently what many other counties in
[3:34:21] Utah are doing as well as the state of
[3:34:22] Utah including highway patrol. So
[3:34:25] remaining consistent with other entities
[3:34:27] that have this type of paid leave.
[3:34:30] >> Okay. Like
[3:34:31] >> I move to approve the amendment of the
[3:34:33] military pay policy including the Grand
[3:34:35] County employee handbook 2026 effective
[3:34:38] immediately.
[3:34:40] talk. Okay, so yeah, first and second.
[3:34:43] Any other questions for Tess, comments?
[3:34:46] >> Thank you for doing this.
[3:34:47] >> Keep it up.
[3:34:48] >> Thank you all very much.
[3:34:50] >> Okay, call for a vote. Those in favor?
[3:34:54] >> I.
[3:34:54] >> And that passes 70. Thank you.
[3:34:56] >> Thank you all.
[3:34:58] >> All right, moving on to the selection of
[3:35:00] shuttle attendant services provider
[3:35:02] shuttle. Did you want to speak to this
[3:35:04] Brian or do you want to
[3:35:07] >> go ahead commissioner uh chair?
[3:35:10] >> Okay. So, we had three proposals for the
[3:35:14] shuttle attendant services for the Moab
[3:35:16] to Archie shuttle. I think they put the
[3:35:18] scoring sheets. So, um Commissioner
[3:35:21] Martinez, I and Commissioner Winfield
[3:35:23] are all on that subcommittee. And so we
[3:35:27] were able there's uh Lena confirmed that
[3:35:29] there was no issues with any of the
[3:35:32] um
[3:35:36] companies that put in. So the winner of
[3:35:39] that proposal is via transportation. And
[3:35:43] I would say, you know, they they
[3:35:44] definitely have the strongest proposals.
[3:35:46] And one of the things that was left off
[3:35:48] the shuttle attendant proposal scoring
[3:35:50] sheet um was that those companies that
[3:35:54] gave a um shuttle RFP were given
[3:35:58] preference. And so and and one of the
[3:36:00] also another thing I want to bring up
[3:36:02] about this is that as we were moving
[3:36:04] through the CMA process with the
[3:36:06] National Park Service, the shuttle
[3:36:08] attendant piece came up a little bit
[3:36:09] later and in order to uh figure out all
[3:36:12] the pieces with the shuttle attendant,
[3:36:14] that's what separated the RFPs. So
[3:36:16] instead of having one RFP that would
[3:36:17] have the shuttle attendant and the um
[3:36:21] shuttle services in one in in one RFP,
[3:36:25] we had to se we separated them. That way
[3:36:27] the person doing the shuttle would have
[3:36:29] more time to get the shuttle, get the
[3:36:32] leases, do the things they need to do
[3:36:34] because that's the big the big lift and
[3:36:36] then the smaller lift is the shuttle
[3:36:37] attendant services. And so they
[3:36:39] definitely got priority because they
[3:36:43] received the proposal or received the
[3:36:46] shuttle services and that that would
[3:36:48] give them an additional piece even
[3:36:49] though if you read all of those um RFPs
[3:36:52] they they are a clear winner on those
[3:36:54] and and our our attended um our proposal
[3:36:57] scoring sheets are in there for you to
[3:36:58] review but that would be our recommended
[3:37:00] if anybody wants to make that motion.
[3:37:04] bill.
[3:37:04] >> I move to award via the shuttle
[3:37:07] attendant service agreement.
[3:37:10] >> Okay, [clears throat] Mike second and
[3:37:13] any discussion? Mike,
[3:37:15] >> I did like seeing uh some constituents
[3:37:17] posting on Facebook that uh expected
[3:37:21] living wages are actually uh decent in
[3:37:24] some uh job postings. So, it was good to
[3:37:26] see.
[3:37:30] Uh Trish,
[3:37:32] >> sorry about that. Um I will not be
[3:37:34] voting on this. I will not be voting on
[3:37:37] anything related to the Moab Arches
[3:37:39] shuttle due to the expenditure of
[3:37:42] taxpayer dollars, the employee and
[3:37:43] elected time and energy that's going
[3:37:45] into this project. And I do want to
[3:37:48] state that if this is a huge success,
[3:37:51] you're welcome to rub my nose in it. I'm
[3:37:53] okay with that. I'm humble enough to to know when I'm wrong. and I hope it's
[3:37:57] a huge success but I will not be
[3:37:59] supporting anything related to it.
[3:38:02] >> Okay. Any other com any other
[3:38:04] discussion?
[3:38:06] >> All right. Then we have a first and a
[3:38:08] second call for a vote. Those in favor
[3:38:12] >> I random post
[3:38:17] 43 with Commissioner Hadler,
[3:38:19] Commissioner Man and Commissioner Hadin
[3:38:20] in opposition. Moving along to number 17
[3:38:23] is the amendment to the Mob Arches
[3:38:25] transportation services agreement to
[3:38:27] accommodate the selected shuttle
[3:38:28] attendant provider.
[3:38:30] And so the um shuttle attendant services
[3:38:33] agreement has been included in the
[3:38:35] packet and that was approved last
[3:38:37] meeting. It's been signed and with that
[3:38:40] inside of the
[3:38:42] um the services agreement was something
[3:38:46] that separated via from the shuttle
[3:38:47] attendant. And so with this selection
[3:38:51] tonight, we have to either add VIA's um
[3:38:54] contract adding in the agreement that
[3:38:57] they would be doing the shuttle or we
[3:38:59] would have a separate um agreement that
[3:39:01] said that they would work with the the
[3:39:03] company that got selected. So there is
[3:39:05] two um amendments in the packet that reflect that. So, one is that BEA
[3:39:11] would have gotten it or that BA would
[3:39:13] have worked with the um the company that
[3:39:16] got that grant or that.
[3:39:21] » So,
[3:39:23] >> go ahead, Bill.
[3:39:24] >> I move to assign amendment option A
[3:39:30] » to the Moab Arches service agreement.
[3:39:32] Did I get all the correct verbage or
[3:39:34] anything? Yeah, option A and then option
[3:39:35] B was the one that had the other. They
[3:39:38] were going to work with another update.
[3:39:40] >> Go ahead, Mike.
[3:39:41] >> I just want to make uh thanks for
[3:39:43] previous talk today making some points
[3:39:45] and of clarity. I just wanted to say
[3:39:49] thanks for uh the fast response there.
[3:39:51] >> Yep. Happy to do it.
[3:39:53] >> Okay. Any other comments?
[3:39:57] >> No. All right. We'll go ahead and call
[3:39:58] for a vote on the amendment to the
[3:40:00] Arches Transportation. All in favor?
[3:40:03] I
[3:40:05] >> and those opposed.
[3:40:09] » Okay, Mary, you raise your hand for the
[3:40:11] first one.
[3:40:12] >> I was I was that
[3:40:13] >> I was reaching for
[3:40:15] >> Okay,
[3:40:16] >> do something with my computer. I
[3:40:17] apologize. It looked like I was. I
[3:40:19] >> did. Sorry. Okay, so that that passes
[3:40:22] with four in favor, three opposed.
[3:40:24] Commissioner Hadine, Commissioner
[3:40:25] Heather, and Commissioner again.
[3:40:28] >> Moving on to the number 18.
[3:40:30] >> If you want to do the public hearing,
[3:40:32] it's after So it's up to you.
[3:40:34] >> Go ahead and do the public hearing.
[3:40:37] >> So we have our public hearing.
[3:40:43] » Public hearing is for our Jackson Street
[3:40:47] storm drain project. Um, so we can
[3:40:50] receive input from the public with
[3:40:52] respect to the issuance of the series
[3:40:53] 2026 bonds and any potential economic
[3:40:57] impact of the series 2026 project to be
[3:40:59] financed with the proceeds of the series
[3:41:01] 2026 bonds may have on the private
[3:41:03] sector. And we have Marcus Keller here
[3:41:05] with Associates again. You want to come
[3:41:08] up and and speak to it?
[3:41:10] >> Perfect.
[3:41:11] >> Thanks, Commissioner. I'll be very
[3:41:12] quick. I don't think there's very many
[3:41:14] people here to comment on it, but I do
[3:41:16] want to congratulate the county. This is
[3:41:18] actually a great project and most
[3:41:21] importantly a very wellthoughtout and
[3:41:23] financed project with grant money being
[3:41:26] contributed from the state CIB uh that
[3:41:29] uh Commissioner Winfield sits on as well
[3:41:31] as lowinterest loans that are being used
[3:41:34] from our transportation funds. So, it's a very affordable project and we
[3:41:38] are currently working uh with the CIB
[3:41:41] board and I believe Commissioner
[3:41:42] McCannless or Commissioner Winfield's
[3:41:44] kind of leading that charge to uh to try
[3:41:46] to even get those authorizations
[3:41:49] increased because the project cost went
[3:41:51] down. We want to try to get some of
[3:41:52] those monies moved around to to even
[3:41:55] offset our cost even more. So, uh, so
[3:41:58] with all that being said, happy to
[3:42:00] answer any questions, but this is these
[3:42:02] are the type of financings where we're
[3:42:04] very happy to see all the different, uh,
[3:42:06] cheap money and free money come into it
[3:42:08] to make this affordable project go
[3:42:09] forward. So, thank you.
[3:42:12] >> Okay. Anybody have any questions or
[3:42:15] comments? Well, I guess it's public
[3:42:17] hearing. We'll talk about that. We'll
[3:42:18] have those options at our next meeting.
[3:42:21] >> No, this is public hearing. Pardon me if
[3:42:23] I want Marcus.
[3:42:24] >> No, sorry. I should have closing this
[3:42:25] public.
[3:42:26] >> We're closing it.
[3:42:27] >> Yeah. And we're closing it.
[3:42:28] >> Correct. Yeah. So, so per the bond
[3:42:30] rules, we do have to have a public
[3:42:31] hearing. So, this is just part of that
[3:42:33] process. So, uh time for any public to
[3:42:35] give any comments and then to move on to
[3:42:37] the next items. So, pause here.
[3:42:40] >> We don't need to vote. Okay.
[3:42:42] >> No, we don't have to vote.
[3:42:43] >> Cool.
[3:42:43] >> Okay. I already voted on voted on on the
[3:42:47] bonding earlier. I believe
[3:42:49] >> if you want to call for anyone to be
[3:42:50] honest. Does anyone from the audience
[3:42:52] want to speak to the Jackson Street
[3:42:53] Storm drain project?
[3:42:59] » Correct, Marcus? We don't need to vote.
[3:43:00] >> Yeah, unless there's anyone else online.
[3:43:02] Doesn't look like it, but um as long as
[3:43:04] there's no comments, you're free to to
[3:43:07] move on to your next item.
[3:43:09] >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming back.
[3:43:11] >> Absolutely.
[3:43:11] >> You travel safe.
[3:43:12] >> Thank you. Appreciate
[3:43:14] >> Thank you.
[3:43:15] >> We We haven't been having a six o'clock
[3:43:17] this year to five o'clock. I'm not sure
[3:43:20] if you're standing up for that or you
[3:43:21] just come to visit us
[3:43:23] >> to one to make a comment and the other
[3:43:25] to give a um phone drive to the guy
[3:43:29] that's supposed to be working on the on
[3:43:32] the cafe stuff.
[3:43:34] >> Okay. I don't think Andrew is here
[3:43:36] tonight.
[3:43:36] >> He's
[3:43:40] here with
[3:43:43] Yeah, Mark can take it. Yeah, I can do
[3:43:44] that.
[3:43:45] >> Well, you can um um Aaron, it's been
[3:43:50] passed from designer to designer to
[3:43:53] designer because nobody
[3:43:55] >> and so I was supposed to be here
[3:43:56] tonight. So,
[3:43:58] >> I don't I gave Andrew all of my files
[3:44:01] with all of the handouts and everything
[3:44:05] and he kind of compiled it,
[3:44:08] gave it to Taylor all and and he doesn't
[3:44:12] have time for it. So minutes with
[3:44:15] >> All right. Well, Erin might show up. I
[3:44:16] think he's here with of the bureau. So
[3:44:19] we're I just wanted to let you know we
[3:44:22] didn't have a we we moved our sisters to
[3:44:24] be heard about five o'clock. We don't
[3:44:26] have a six o'clock one. I just want to
[3:44:28] double check you. Okay. Okay. We're
[3:44:30] going to move we're going to move along
[3:44:32] to number 18, which is the paved path
[3:44:34] maintenance project on Arches bike path
[3:44:36] from 47. And that is got Cody on there.
[3:44:41] bill.
[3:44:41] >> This is the one that we were tableing.
[3:44:43] >> We're going to table this. Okay.
[3:44:45] >> This one is going to be moved to a
[3:44:46] future
[3:44:47] >> table or postal
[3:44:49] >> table.
[3:44:50] Comes back this meeting
[3:44:53] next meeting.
[3:44:54] >> Yeah. But you guys don't have to take
[3:44:55] any motion. Just not do.
[3:44:57] >> We're just going to move past it. We're
[3:44:58] not going to discuss it tonight.
[3:45:00] >> Okay. Um number 19 is the creation of a
[3:45:02] subcommittee to update the list of
[3:45:04] bylaws and rodeo resolutions. And this
[3:45:06] came before us in agenda review to add
[3:45:09] some people
[3:45:11] >> to the OA um
[3:45:14] advisory committee. And the OSA bylaws
[3:45:18] are out of they're a little old. They're
[3:45:20] 15 years old. And so before we added
[3:45:23] people to that board, I felt like it was
[3:45:25] appropriate for some commissioners to
[3:45:27] get together and look at those bylaws,
[3:45:31] see what the county wanted from those
[3:45:34] bylaws. And then also we added in the
[3:45:36] rodeo resolution to that as well because
[3:45:38] both of those are are outd outdated
[3:45:40] bylaws and resolution. And so with that
[3:45:43] I I thought it would be a better path of
[3:45:46] action to create a subcommittee versus
[3:45:48] add those people. And then after we got
[3:45:51] subcommittee we can look at adding uh
[3:45:53] people to those board if that's
[3:45:54] appropriate. So Mike,
[3:45:57] >> I move to appoint commissioners
[3:45:59] McCannless, Haden, and myself, Mike Mike
[3:46:01] McCertie, the OT subcommittee. I'll
[3:46:04] second that.
[3:46:05] >> Okay, Mike. And then Bill, any other
[3:46:08] comments?
[3:46:09] >> Uh
[3:46:12] double check uh with Commissioner Haden
[3:46:15] that that's okay to pick up another
[3:46:16] committee because help out there.
[3:46:19] >> Yes, sir. You bet.
[3:46:20] >> Thank you.
[3:46:22] >> Okay. All right. Those in favor
[3:46:25] Hi.
[3:46:27] >> All right, that passes 70. Thank you.
[3:46:30] >> We already have a meeting scheduled
[3:46:32] almost. So, I think Trisha is gonna tell
[3:46:35] us when we're going to meet uh and and I
[3:46:37] think this needs to we need to do this
[3:46:38] pretty quick. They're they are on a
[3:46:39] quarter um every yeah quarterly meeting.
[3:46:43] So, in three months they'll have another
[3:46:44] meeting and I'd like to ask a resolution
[3:46:46] to this by then.
[3:46:49] >> All right. Moving on to number 20 which
[3:46:52] is a consideration of resentment of
[3:46:54] denial of bur oaks reszone made at the
[3:46:56] July 21st commission meeting.
[3:46:58] Commissioner Winfield and do you have
[3:46:59] anything to change?
[3:47:02] >> Sure I can just give some background. Um
[3:47:04] so this is this is a less common
[3:47:06] occurrence. However, um we provided to
[3:47:09] the commission everybody should have got
[3:47:11] additional information from um from
[3:47:13] myself uh and walking through the
[3:47:17] analysis of this. When a commission
[3:47:19] reconsiders a previous item and seeks to
[3:47:23] resend it, there's a requirement to
[3:47:24] either one provide notice or two, if you
[3:47:28] want to override that decision, you need
[3:47:30] a twothirds within the same meeting. If
[3:47:32] it comes at a subsequent meeting, notice
[3:47:34] is required ahead of time. And if that
[3:47:36] notice is provided, then it's a simple
[3:47:38] majority to pass. Before the commission
[3:47:40] today is a consideration of a of a
[3:47:43] rescendment of the denial of the Buro's
[3:47:45] reason made at the July 21st commission
[3:47:47] meeting. If that vote passes, then the
[3:47:51] commission will consider a new the
[3:47:52] original application for the Baroque
[3:47:54] subdivision as if the decision had never
[3:47:56] been made. Please remember that we still
[3:47:59] need findings like last time um that
[3:48:01] establishes it within the breakdown and
[3:48:04] has those findings made on the record in
[3:48:06] the motion, seconded, and then voted on.
[3:48:08] But first the commission considers the
[3:48:10] resinment and then considers the second
[3:48:13] element. Any questions
[3:48:16] >> question?
[3:48:17] >> Yes commission.
[3:48:18] >> Being in the uh
[3:48:21] majority minority doesn't matter from
[3:48:23] the previous vote in the proposed
[3:48:25] resend.
[3:48:26] >> Correct. The original the the original
[3:48:29] individual that voted for this item was
[3:48:30] Commissioner Winfield.
[3:48:32] >> Okay.
[3:48:33] >> He voted in the majority. He has brought
[3:48:35] the item back for the commission to
[3:48:37] reconsider. Okay.
[3:48:38] >> U normally it's it would likely be him
[3:48:41] to make the motion, but it doesn't there
[3:48:43] isn't a prohibition on that. The reason
[3:48:46] why that exists is it's to avoid having
[3:48:47] the commission re reconsider the same
[3:48:49] item over and over again and brought by
[3:48:51] the person that didn't have the motion
[3:48:53] that carried.
[3:48:54] >> So if that makes sense that motion
[3:48:57] whenever you're ready.
[3:48:59] >> I'm good. Go ahead. I move to resend the
[3:49:02] motion made and passed at the July 21st,
[3:49:05] 2026 Grand County Commission meeting
[3:49:07] denying the Burnt Oaks resone
[3:49:09] application.
[3:49:12] >> We have a first and second. Trish, do
[3:49:14] you have a comment?
[3:49:16] >> Um, yeah, I have a couple comments.
[3:49:19] [clears throat] Um, so I I guess you
[3:49:22] know this is fine. I appreciate Stephen
[3:49:24] you reaching out to Bart and getting
[3:49:26] that memo. That really helps me. I mean,
[3:49:28] I guess I'll just maybe ask andor um
[3:49:32] convey that the usual process is
[3:49:36] a commissioner can bring it back, but
[3:49:38] the usual process is that the applicant
[3:49:40] would then reapply. And that doesn't
[3:49:42] mean like Grant County could wave the
[3:49:44] application fees. That's no big deal. We
[3:49:46] discussed this in the planning
[3:49:47] commission the last meeting. Randy Day
[3:49:49] was great. He's like, "Oh yeah, I've
[3:49:50] done it many times. They just reapply
[3:49:52] and sometimes they wave the fees." Um,
[3:49:54] so this is this is an odd way to go
[3:49:57] about it and and that's a little
[3:49:58] bothersome to me, but it is what it is.
[3:50:00] I appreciate again that that
[3:50:03] Stephen um went to BART and and we we
[3:50:05] got that clarified. Um I I am going to
[3:50:09] continue to vote against this just in
[3:50:12] the sense like the original reason that
[3:50:14] we voted against this was concerns about
[3:50:16] traffic in that area and then we we went
[3:50:20] ahead and approved $20,000 for a traffic
[3:50:22] study. yet we're not waiting for the the
[3:50:24] traffic study. So to me, logic would
[3:50:28] mean that we're paying all this money
[3:50:30] for a traffic study. We would wait for
[3:50:32] the traffic study to see how this even
[3:50:35] though it's a very minor, it's again,
[3:50:37] it's a reason. And I'm not a big fan of
[3:50:39] rezones. I've told you that a million
[3:50:40] times. But we would wait for that
[3:50:42] traffic study to then make that this
[3:50:44] decision. That seems logical to me. So,
[3:50:48] I'm not going to be voting for it
[3:50:50] because I think it's illogical.
[3:50:58] » Double check. Uh, thank you for reaching
[3:51:01] out to Bart. I know he's our he's our
[3:51:02] guy, but uh in this uh no questions of
[3:51:07] legality, right?
[3:51:08] >> Again, we've we've gone through I I do
[3:51:10] know this is it is harder to do this in
[3:51:14] this process. I know it's tough to make
[3:51:16] the decision um on the fly in the
[3:51:18] meeting um and there's no perfect way of bringing it back. Uh originally and
[3:51:24] when I looked at this item originally my gut response was that it would have
[3:51:28] to be reapplied and then I talked with
[3:51:30] uh Bart about it. It's just kind of a
[3:51:32] new way a unique way of doing this. Um I
[3:51:35] think it's easier if um well that's it.
[3:51:40] Thanks.
[3:51:41] Uh in additional with this you can see
[3:51:44] constituent comments
[3:51:46] >> uh will they be applied to the
[3:51:49] >> so the additional comments that the
[3:51:51] commission received came in after the
[3:51:53] public hearing period was closed and so
[3:51:56] they were provided in the packet but
[3:51:58] because of the not we didn't go all the
[3:52:00] way back and reopen all the public
[3:52:01] comment and redo all of that I didn't
[3:52:04] want to add in
[3:52:05] >> one public comment and then potentially
[3:52:07] have somebody else say well I didn't get
[3:52:08] to do public comment on that so it's not
[3:52:10] included the packet's not attached to
[3:52:12] it. It may change. I mean, in the real
[3:52:14] world that you folks are in, you may
[3:52:16] know additional information, but it's
[3:52:18] your decision to make it vote on as it
[3:52:21] on the information that you see. But
[3:52:22] again, we need facts and that. But
[3:52:24] first, the resentment.
[3:52:25] >> Thank you.
[3:52:28] >> Okay. Any other discussion, comments?
[3:52:33] >> Go ahead and call for a vote. We have
[3:52:34] first and second. Those Oh, wait. So we
[3:52:37] are resending it or we're just voting on
[3:52:39] we're voting on resending first.
[3:52:41] Correct. Okay. And then we'll and then
[3:52:42] we'll process it.
[3:52:43] >> Then then technically it would probably
[3:52:45] be best practice. Well, best practice
[3:52:47] would be to have somebody read the
[3:52:51] summary of the item because somebody may
[3:52:53] look at this meeting and have no idea
[3:52:55] what heroes is. And so that's why
[3:52:57] normally we would have either commin or
[3:52:59] the planning director present this item
[3:53:01] a new because nobody that go anybody
[3:53:03] that goes to this item has no idea of
[3:53:04] the past.
[3:53:05] >> Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and
[3:53:07] call for a vote for the resendment of
[3:53:08] the defense. So, those in favor
[3:53:12] I
[3:53:15] >> and those opposed.
[3:53:18] » Okay. So, that passes with 43 with
[3:53:21] Commissioner Hini. Commissioner Heather
[3:53:23] again. Sorry, what you ask? He did have
[3:53:25] a
[3:53:26] >> I just got a little confused there. So,
[3:53:29] >> and I'm prepared to read that summary
[3:53:32] that Stephen mentioned if you'd like.
[3:53:34] And we're talking the plain English
[3:53:35] summary that's in there. Yes, honey.
[3:53:38] >> Okay.
[3:53:39] >> This proposal would reszone a vacant
[3:53:42] 5.02
[3:53:44] acre parcel at 4500 South Zimmerman Lane
[3:53:47] just south of the Blue Vista subdivision
[3:53:49] from rural residential
[3:53:52] RR to large lot residential LLR. The
[3:53:56] change would allow about eight halfacre
[3:53:59] single family lots. The Spanish Valley
[3:54:01] Future Land Use Plan Map
[3:54:04] plan maps this area as a moderate scale
[3:54:07] neighborhood which allows somewhat more
[3:54:09] housing than is proposed. The planning
[3:54:12] commission held a public hearing on June
[3:54:14] 8, 2026 and voted 70
[3:54:18] to recommend that the county commission
[3:54:20] approved the reszone. staff recommends
[3:54:22] the county commission take public
[3:54:25] comment, review the request against the
[3:54:27] land use code criteria and adopt the
[3:54:30] ordinance.
[3:54:33] >> Okay. And I think Andrew is online, our
[3:54:37] >> planning and zoning director if he wants
[3:54:40] to make some comments as well.
[3:54:42] >> Yeah, I think it was it was covered by
[3:54:45] what uh Commissioner Winfield had
[3:54:47] stated. Again, this is just the zone
[3:54:50] change. It's not the subdivision. So,
[3:54:52] it's just looking at doing the zone
[3:54:54] change from large lot residential, one
[3:54:57] unit per acre, excuse me, rural
[3:54:59] residential, one unit per acre to large
[3:55:02] lot residential, which is two units per
[3:55:04] acre, where the general plan for that
[3:55:06] area has uh between four and six units
[3:55:09] per acre. And I'm happy to answer any
[3:55:12] questions on the zone change.
[3:55:17] Mike,
[3:55:18] uh,
[3:55:18] >> not a question, just a statement.
[3:55:21] uh with within this we just attended a
[3:55:24] uh a housing meeting at uh the mark that
[3:55:27] said very specifically uh in within
[3:55:30] about 40 people in attendance,
[3:55:32] Commissioner Martinez, myself uh several
[3:55:35] city etc. It was pointed out that we are
[3:55:39] definitely missing uh single family
[3:55:42] homes and single family development in
[3:55:43] our current housing path. And this is
[3:55:46] welcome in the general consensus of both
[3:55:49] the city and
[3:55:51] uh planners alike. Uh that this is where
[3:55:55] we've been missing and this is where we
[3:55:56] need to go.
[3:56:01] » Dean,
[3:56:03] did you call on me, Mel?
[3:56:05] >> Yeah. Yep, I did. Sorry.
[3:56:09] [laughter]
[3:56:12] » Sorry. I just I have a lot to say. Um so
[3:56:16] just a couple I'm going to kind of
[3:56:17] quickly um talk directly to you, Mike. I agree. I I think we are, you know,
[3:56:23] missing a a niche within our our housing
[3:56:27] um inventory, but you know, one again,
[3:56:30] we I don't think we've actually
[3:56:32] completed a a really extensive housing
[3:56:34] plan to understand that niche and what
[3:56:36] we need. And the other thing is when
[3:56:38] we're giving away this density, what are
[3:56:41] we getting in return? Nothing, right?
[3:56:43] And so, how do we ensure that in the
[3:56:46] future if we're giving away density, we
[3:56:48] get something in return? And that that's
[3:56:51] there's the rub, right? So like we are
[3:56:53] giving something to them. This is not a
[3:56:56] use by right. This is a person asking
[3:56:58] for doubling their ability to build. And
[3:57:02] so maybe we should ask for something in
[3:57:03] return. Just thoughts for the future.
[3:57:06] The other thing is is that yes, our
[3:57:08] general plan, our future land use map
[3:57:10] has these very vague ideas about where
[3:57:13] density should lie, but we still not do
[3:57:15] not have an updated zoning map. And what
[3:57:18] I've what I envision and these are just
[3:57:20] thoughts is when we get to that process
[3:57:23] that it is a very very intensive citizen
[3:57:27] engaged process where we maybe use
[3:57:31] little neighborhoods whatever that might
[3:57:33] be. We send out postcards. We try to get
[3:57:35] people involved in like what do you want
[3:57:37] to see in your neighborhood when we
[3:57:39] finally produce that zoning map? Because
[3:57:41] what we have a future land use map is
[3:57:43] blobs. It is not I said 90° angles. when
[3:57:46] you get into 90° angles, you're talking
[3:57:48] about a zoning map. Um, and then lastly,
[3:57:52] you well, two more things. One, I I hope
[3:57:54] people understand this idea of
[3:57:55] reszoning, and that does not reflect
[3:57:57] here with the developer, but you know,
[3:57:59] when we're reszoning, whatever the
[3:58:01] developer is telling us isn't
[3:58:03] necessarily what we'll see on the ground
[3:58:05] years down the line, 20 years, 30 years,
[3:58:07] 40 years down the line, as we've seen
[3:58:09] with Cane Creek. And then lastly, we we
[3:58:12] do need to have just a respect for
[3:58:15] existing neighborhoods. The reality is
[3:58:17] people move into these neighborhoods
[3:58:19] because they want a specific
[3:58:23] density. I live in rural residential and
[3:58:26] I have for the last 20 years because I
[3:58:28] want to live in rural residential and I
[3:58:30] want to have hound dogs and I want to
[3:58:31] have chickens and pigs and horses and I
[3:58:34] don't want to have people complain about
[3:58:35] it. And when the areas around me are
[3:58:38] just getting gobbled up and reszoned and
[3:58:40] then people start complaining about the
[3:58:42] chicks, chickens and pigs and dogs and
[3:58:44] horses, I got a problem with that. And
[3:58:47] all of my neighbors that I talk to and I
[3:58:49] staunchly defend rural residential. You
[3:58:52] know, they feel the same way. Like
[3:58:54] they're here and that's what they want
[3:58:56] to have. So that's the last I'll kind of
[3:58:58] keep beating that same drum. I'll keep
[3:59:00] losing. I'm okay with that, but I want
[3:59:03] to keep beating that drum.
[3:59:05] Okay, Bill had his hand had it.
[3:59:07] >> So, just a standard motion to approve
[3:59:11] this or is there verbiage somewhere?
[3:59:13] Because I'm not seeing it.
[3:59:14] >> Let me find it.
[3:59:17] >> It should be It should be in the
[3:59:19] document. Let me pull it up. Is that
[3:59:21] same a A through K language that lays
[3:59:24] out all the different statutory or
[3:59:27] language in our code that lays out.
[3:59:30] >> Well, okay. So, we need to read that A
[3:59:32] through K. Well, you pick out you make
[3:59:35] findings based on whatever your
[3:59:37] consideration of it is or the approval
[3:59:39] or the denial of it. And so, let me see
[3:59:43] if I can pull up.
[3:59:44] >> I'm gonna let Brian Brian, did you have
[3:59:46] your hand up? No.
[3:59:49] >> You have your hand up again or no?
[3:59:51] >> I did. I did, but I was I was just going
[3:59:53] to wait for a motion to be made.
[3:59:55] >> Okay. Do you want to wait for a motion
[3:59:56] while they look for it or do you want to
[3:59:58] comment? It's
[3:59:59] >> if I could just point out in the um
[4:00:02] larger staff report that was done before
[4:00:04] just before you get to the maps the
[4:00:06] exhibits um just there has a public
[4:00:09] notice and then just before that has a
[4:00:12] proposed county commission um motion.
[4:00:20] » It's on the page four, the first
[4:00:23] paragraph on the page that has the map
[4:00:24] with the red circle.
[4:00:26] >> Okay. You would read that motion and
[4:00:28] then you would need to go up for two,
[4:00:30] age two and three and it has a list
[4:00:33] that's a through k and it lays out
[4:00:36] different elements that um you could
[4:00:39] consider making the findings of any of
[4:00:41] the following.
[4:00:42] >> Okay. So I'll read the motion first and
[4:00:44] then following findings.
[4:00:46] >> All right. After reviewing the staff
[4:00:48] report, the applicant statement, public
[4:00:50] comments, the recommendation for the
[4:00:53] planning commission,
[4:00:55] recommendation of the planning
[4:00:57] commission, the Spanish valley future
[4:00:59] land use plan, and the rules in land use
[4:01:01] code section 9.2.5 2.5
[4:01:05] and finding that the reszone from rural
[4:01:07] residential RR to large lot residential
[4:01:11] LLR fits the general plan and future
[4:01:14] land use plan and meets the resoning
[4:01:17] rules. I move to adopt the ordinance
[4:01:20] amending the Grand County zoning map for
[4:01:22] parcel number 02-000035-000033
[4:01:29] from rural residential RR to large lot
[4:01:33] residential LLR
[4:01:35] following findings with the following
[4:01:38] findings
[4:01:41] and so
[4:01:45] and the findings would be here in A
[4:01:48] through
[4:01:50] wherever it ends
[4:01:51] >> A through K and some of them may cut in
[4:01:53] favor of the applicant and some of them
[4:01:54] may cut against the applicant.
[4:01:56] >> Right. So B has the areas character
[4:01:59] changed would be one of them. Yes it
[4:02:00] has. Blue Vista subdivision is an
[4:02:03] addition and a change from the large lot
[4:02:06] or for excuse me from the rural
[4:02:07] residential that has been in that area
[4:02:10] would be a one of them.
[4:02:13] Is there a need for new use? Yeah,
[4:02:16] definitely. As we've just heard from the
[4:02:19] commissioner
[4:02:21] McCertie and I believe commissioner had
[4:02:23] made comments about the meeting.
[4:02:26] Will the community benefit? Yes. Our
[4:02:29] workforce housing especially will
[4:02:31] benefit here. Does it match the general
[4:02:34] plan?
[4:02:35] It the request fits the moderate scale
[4:02:38] neighborhood label.
[4:02:44] Is the density and intensity right? The
[4:02:46] LLR zone allows the proposed density.
[4:02:49] Staff notice that about 1.6 homes per
[4:02:53] gross acre as at is at the low end of
[4:02:56] and maybe below the four to six homes
[4:02:58] per acre the plans label allows.
[4:03:03] » Okay. Second [clears throat]
[4:03:08] last time,
[4:03:10] >> right? Any other discussion? I know I
[4:03:12] commented on this when it first came
[4:03:13] before us. I am 100% in um experience
[4:03:17] with this density. It's it's out there.
[4:03:21] Moving from one home per acre to two per
[4:03:23] acre I think is appropriate use of that
[4:03:25] land. I actually in favor of about four
[4:03:28] per acre out there. I think that would
[4:03:29] be still leave it really rural but also
[4:03:32] um you know give everybody space but add
[4:03:36] some density because that's that missing
[4:03:37] middle. We can't have affordable homes
[4:03:39] if they're on one acre lots. So homes on
[4:03:42] one acre lots are for millionaires.
[4:03:44] Homes on smaller than that are for
[4:03:46] people that can afford them in our
[4:03:47] community. And I also, you know, when
[4:03:49] you talk about in town, I live in town
[4:03:53] residential, but our neighborhoods are
[4:03:55] being taken up by people that only want
[4:03:57] to have second and third homes. And so I
[4:03:59] don't have neighborhoods where kids are
[4:04:00] riding their bikes or people are playing
[4:04:02] in the streets. I just have second empty
[4:04:04] homes in my neighborhood in town. And I
[4:04:07] think that, you know, those homes as you
[4:04:09] grow out in the valley, those are
[4:04:10] appropriate, more appropriate for the
[4:04:12] second, third homes that are only going
[4:04:14] to be there for a little while to live
[4:04:16] in those homes in the valley. And that
[4:04:17] will even keep that, you know, a little
[4:04:19] bit less traffic out in the valley. But
[4:04:22] I'm I'm for this plan. I was I was for
[4:04:24] this before. I'm also for other
[4:04:27] development out there. And I I just want
[4:04:28] to state that that's how I feel about
[4:04:30] this land. So I going to go ahead and
[4:04:33] let Mike talk. Oh, wait. ly got who
[4:04:36] hasn't talked yet? I hadn't talked yet.
[4:04:38] >> Brian hasn't [laughter] talked yet. I'm
[4:04:39] on Brian have to stand up for a
[4:04:41] >> All right, Brian, go ahead.
[4:04:44] >> Thank you, Chair. Yeah, the um you know,
[4:04:47] I'm glad that we had the chance to
[4:04:48] revote on this. Um you know, I support
[4:04:50] housing. I was at that meeting with Mike
[4:04:52] and it was it was great to see the panel
[4:04:54] discussion um you know uh political um
[4:04:58] political uh leanings all over the place
[4:05:01] and everybody agreed on this same
[4:05:03] principle that we still need more
[4:05:04] housing and that we need to keep going
[4:05:06] on what we're doing. Um so you know it
[4:05:09] fits the character of that neighborhood.
[4:05:11] Um, and then mostly I think it's it's
[4:05:13] you know this is was the recommendation
[4:05:15] of our planning and zoning uh uh
[4:05:17] commission and I think that it's
[4:05:18] important that we respect and listen to
[4:05:21] what our planning and zoning commission
[4:05:23] does recommend. Thank you.
[4:05:26] >> Okay. Mike,
[4:05:28] did you want to talk? Sure. You said you
[4:05:30] haven't yet.
[4:05:31] >> Um, yeah. Hey, I didn't vote for it last
[4:05:34] time. I think there were some serious
[4:05:35] safety concerns uh with the traffic in
[4:05:38] the area. Bill brought those up. We did
[4:05:41] just drop $20,000 to do a study that we
[4:05:44] haven't seen the results of. And until
[4:05:46] we see the results of that study, I'm
[4:05:49] not prepared to vote in favor of this.
[4:05:52] >> Mike,
[4:05:54] >> uh, put a little few numbers to what you said. Uh, 1acre lots are uh, at
[4:06:01] a premium right now. I do believe
[4:06:03] sitting right on Spanish Drive with a
[4:06:05] 1acre lot about 280,000 per lot alone.
[4:06:09] So, this really helps our current
[4:06:12] housing and uh the direction the value
[4:06:15] uh I would hope would go.
[4:06:18] >> Oh, did you have another comment?
[4:06:20] >> Sure. Um I there's just a couple of
[4:06:24] points. One, the subdivision is not
[4:06:26] being approved. This is just approving
[4:06:28] the reszone and the traffic study which
[4:06:31] is being done will result in possibly
[4:06:35] some changes or some requirements when
[4:06:37] the subdivision does take place. So I I
[4:06:41] think this is the appropriate time to
[4:06:43] move this forward and there were
[4:06:46] um recommendations made to have public
[4:06:49] meetings and I recall when that map was
[4:06:52] put together that we had many public
[4:06:54] meetings. I attended as many of them as
[4:06:57] I could and I know that there was a lot
[4:06:59] of comment that went into this and I
[4:07:01] believe it was our planning
[4:07:05] and zoning administrator Elisea Martin
[4:07:08] or Elise Martin I think I'm butchering
[4:07:11] her name fairly well there but um that
[4:07:13] held those meetings at Jenna Gourney
[4:07:15] also all over and had a ton of community
[4:07:19] input at those meetings and and I agree
[4:07:22] that safety was an issue and it's the
[4:07:24] reason that I cautioned and asked that
[4:07:27] we do a traffic study out there and I do
[4:07:31] feel that in the future we're going to
[4:07:32] have to spread the costs of that traffic
[4:07:34] study out on future development in that
[4:07:37] area but the the need was immediate to
[4:07:40] address those safety concerns and I like
[4:07:43] that we've done that and I'm
[4:07:44] appreciative that the commission voted
[4:07:46] to do that. So,
[4:07:49] >> okay, Trish.
[4:07:52] Um, I wasn't going to say anymore, but I want to state that, you know, saying
[4:07:57] that all people that live on one acre
[4:07:59] are millionaires. I'm not a millionaire,
[4:08:01] Mel. Far from a millionaire. The reality
[4:08:03] is I've just lived out there a very long
[4:08:06] time, as have many, many, many of my
[4:08:09] neighbors. And the reason they moved out
[4:08:11] there when it was called poverty flats,
[4:08:15] um, you know, that's what it was called
[4:08:17] is because people wanted that rural
[4:08:20] character. And so they're not
[4:08:22] millionaires. They may be land rich, but
[4:08:25] they're poor or and and I would say I'm
[4:08:28] in the same way. I'm scratching every
[4:08:30] day to pay my bills. So, yes, I
[4:08:33] understand that a million an acre today
[4:08:36] is worth a lot of money, but that does
[4:08:38] not take into account all of the people
[4:08:40] that moved out there and want to be out
[4:08:42] there because they want that rural
[4:08:44] character. And I want people to try to
[4:08:46] respect that. Nobody on this commission, other than
[4:08:49] myself lives in the rural part of the
[4:08:52] county. Everybody else lives in the city
[4:08:54] of Moab. And I respect that. I just want
[4:08:56] to know want you to know that, you know,
[4:08:59] there is another voice out there. And I
[4:09:01] want you guys to to understand it and
[4:09:03] hopefully respect it.
[4:09:05] >> I wasn't saying you're a millionaire,
[4:09:07] Trish. And and a lot of people live in
[4:09:09] those that area aren't, but if today you
[4:09:12] bought a million, you bought you going
[4:09:14] to build a house on there,
[4:09:16] >> it would be a million dollar home, it
[4:09:17] wouldn't be what it was back in the day.
[4:09:19] So you have your acre and you can keep
[4:09:23] it for sure. As long as you want your
[4:09:25] own acre, you can keep it. But if people
[4:09:26] want to be able to afford to build new
[4:09:29] homes, you know, you got to split the
[4:09:31] land up to where
[4:09:34] >> understood. But then that's where I
[4:09:36] think and I agree, Bill, we did have
[4:09:37] public meetings and Alisa Martin did
[4:09:39] those meetings and Jenna, you are
[4:09:40] correct. However, they there was a few
[4:09:43] there. I think there was five of them
[4:09:44] alto together. They were sparssely
[4:09:47] attended. They weren't attended to the you know, I didn't think it was a
[4:09:51] great attendance. like I went to I think
[4:09:53] two or three of them and it was kind of
[4:09:55] the same folks. What I would like to
[4:09:57] see, like I said, is maybe when we do
[4:09:59] it, we break it into kind of little
[4:10:01] sections and we send postcards and we
[4:10:04] make sure that people know like, hey,
[4:10:05] we're looking at your neighborhood or
[4:10:07] your area. We're going to feasibly
[4:10:10] reszone it and you may want to come. And
[4:10:12] I just think it would be a more holistic
[4:10:14] process and that way when citizens down
[4:10:16] the road want to complain because I
[4:10:18] believe me, I have people complaining
[4:10:20] about that future land use map. I'm
[4:10:21] like, "Hey, there were meetings." And
[4:10:24] then at that point, we can say, "You got
[4:10:25] a postcard. You were invited. You got
[4:10:28] you didn't give input." That's all we
[4:10:30] can do, right? We just make it more
[4:10:32] holistic as much as possible to vi
[4:10:34] finally define those 90° angles.
[4:10:38] >> Okay. Mine's
[4:10:40] a little
[4:10:42] >> Mary hasn't talked yet. Yeah.
[4:10:44] >> I've talked enough.
[4:10:46] Um, with with the reszone, I the danger
[4:10:49] of a reszone is there's no guarantee
[4:10:52] that houses are going to be built there
[4:10:56] that are going to be affordable for the
[4:10:59] average person and there's no guarantee
[4:11:01] that it's going to help our housing
[4:11:03] issue. It just means that now the
[4:11:07] property is worth more because it's more
[4:11:11] valuable being in that that type of
[4:11:13] zoning. and and we're we have no
[4:11:16] guarantee, you know, and I think if
[4:11:19] we're going to do reszones or if we're
[4:11:21] going to uh do something, there has it
[4:11:24] has to be coupled with a way to protect
[4:11:28] and make sure we're getting, you know,
[4:11:31] that what we're asking for, what we need
[4:11:34] will be accomplished by this result.
[4:11:38] And I I don't see any protection here
[4:11:42] for you know we've just increased the
[4:11:46] value of that program.
[4:11:48] >> Well we increased so the value is and
[4:11:51] the for sure investment or the value is
[4:11:54] that we are going from
[4:11:55] >> I I I resent
[4:11:58] I don't think it's okay to quick go back
[4:12:00] and forth like that. If I make a
[4:12:02] comment, my catch is I think that's what
[4:12:05] starts the the back and forth part.
[4:12:11] >> You can answer. Go ahead.
[4:12:14] >> Uh
[4:12:16] in this I I know Trish, you you keep
[4:12:18] saying I wish the neighborhood would
[4:12:20] have received one of those cards. I want
[4:12:22] it to be known. You would have received
[4:12:24] one of those cards
[4:12:26] knowing because you are a neighbor
[4:12:28] deciding on this. you're you're pretty
[4:12:31] more privy than most, but you haven't
[4:12:33] said that.
[4:12:37] » Okay. So, when I will just state that
[4:12:39] when you when you add when you take one
[4:12:42] home per one acre and you allow two
[4:12:45] homes per one acre, you are doubling
[4:12:48] your homes. So, when we talk about
[4:12:50] needing homes in this community, if we
[4:12:52] go from one per acre to two per acre,
[4:12:55] that means we get double the amount. And
[4:12:58] then if we go to three per acre, we get
[4:12:59] triple the amount. And four per acre
[4:13:01] means we get four times the amount. And
[4:13:03] to me, the conversation is we need more
[4:13:06] homes. And so what we're doing is we are
[4:13:08] for sure ensuring that more homes can be
[4:13:11] built on that one acre of land. And that
[4:13:13] is what our when you talk about making
[4:13:16] sure that we are getting something out
[4:13:18] of that land, that is what we are
[4:13:20] getting. And that's that's the way I
[4:13:22] feel about it. And I will call for a
[4:13:24] vote. So all those in favor
[4:13:29] >> I
[4:13:30] >> and those opposed.
[4:13:32] All right, that passes 43 with
[4:13:33] Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner Man,
[4:13:35] and Commissioner Haden in opposition.
[4:13:39] And with that, we are done with our
[4:13:40] regular meetings. Um well, we're going
[4:13:42] to close session.
[4:13:45] Oh,
[4:13:46] >> I was just going to suggest that the the
[4:13:48] commission go through discussion items,
[4:13:50] general reports, and go through any of
[4:13:52] those items. and then we're going to go
[4:13:54] into close session and then we have to
[4:13:55] come out and vote on 21. That way if
[4:13:57] anybody is looking to listen to anything
[4:13:59] that's the bottom of the agenda they
[4:14:02] would understand that the last item is
[4:14:04] the uh item one.
[4:14:06] >> Okay. So on general commission reports
[4:14:10] and we already had future considerations
[4:14:12] if anyone wants to share a piece of
[4:14:13] their commissioning for I'm happy to
[4:14:15] hear it.
[4:14:18] Anyone?
[4:14:20] No. I can't see Trish are on there and
[4:14:24] elected officials report or
[4:14:27] commissioners report.
[4:14:31] » I can give a very brief update on OSA.
[4:14:35] >> Okay.
[4:14:36] >> This point u relaying information that
[4:14:39] our department head Angie Book provided.
[4:14:42] Uh the playground and pickle ball
[4:14:44] projects are continuing to progress. Um
[4:14:49] they're making a lot of progress right
[4:14:51] now. They're the the landscaping may be
[4:14:54] a little bit delayed, but hopefully uh
[4:14:58] and I say this with all reservation that
[4:15:02] we are hopeful that the first half of
[4:15:05] September may be when both projects are
[4:15:09] completed. So they are progressing and
[4:15:12] we're looking forward to those finishing
[4:15:14] up, but they are making lots of progress
[4:15:17] currently. Good. Thank you.
[4:15:19] >> That's great. Okay. So, any other any
[4:15:23] other comments or we're going to go into
[4:15:24] close session? We'll come back out.
[4:15:26] We'll have one more vote and then the
[4:15:28] meeting will be adjourned.
[4:15:30] So, do we have Well, one, two, three,
[4:15:33] four. Go ahead, Sean.
[4:15:35] >> I'll make a motion to go into close
[4:15:36] session to discuss uh litigation. I'll
[4:15:39] second that. Is
[4:15:40] >> that what it is?
[4:15:42] >> Yes.
[4:15:43] >> Okay. All in favor?
[4:15:46] I
[4:15:51] » with two absent that passes.
[4:15:54] >> Yes.
[4:15:54] >> All right. We'll take little breaks and
[4:15:56] we'll come back.
[4:15:59] I don't know if we'll go again.