1 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:22,629 All 2 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:24,479 right, welcome everybody to the board of 3 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:26,479 equalization meeting for Monday, April 4 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:28,319 6th. If we get a roll call, please. 5 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:28,880 Marine 6 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,759 >> sure. Wigel 7 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:30,160 >> here. 8 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,039 >> Sowski here. 9 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:31,759 >> Berg here. 10 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:32,240 >> Lensky 11 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,680 >> here. Fred Dolls 12 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,160 >> here. 13 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:34,639 >> Dean 14 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:35,039 >> here. 15 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:35,680 >> President Sandy 16 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,360 >> here. We have a quorum. 17 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,199 >> Thank you. 18 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,680 Item 1.2 duties of the board of 19 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,960 equalization. You're taking that one, 20 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Miss Lour. Please. 21 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 >> I will try. I am not an attorney, so um 22 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,800 you'll have to pardon my very um layman 23 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,479 verbiage here, but as a board of 24 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:55,360 equalization, um you'll hear appeals on 25 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,759 property valuations. Uh you have the 26 00:06:57,759 --> 00:06:59,440 authority to increase or decrease the 27 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,039 assessments for uniform uniformity. Um 28 00:07:03,039 --> 00:07:05,039 you will hear grievances from property 29 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:08,240 owners regarding their valuation. Um, as 30 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,720 a local board, your focus is on 31 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,599 reviewing or our focus on um is on 32 00:07:15,599 --> 00:07:17,120 reviewing and correcting individual 33 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,280 properties and their assessments within 34 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,039 the city. 35 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:22,639 Um, 36 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,479 when a property owner appeals their 37 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:27,120 assessment for overvaluation, they are 38 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,599 asked to provide supporting evidence uh 39 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:31,199 indicating that the assessed value may 40 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,039 not reflect current market conditions. 41 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:34,800 Um, evidence may include recent 42 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,960 appraisals, certified fee appraisal or 43 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,520 other relevant market data. Such 44 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,520 documentation assists us and our 45 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,120 assessing department and the board of 46 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,800 equalization in conducting a thorough 47 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,840 and informed um review. Uh we will hear 48 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,520 the from the property owners at the end 49 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,960 of our meeting. They can come up and 50 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,400 address you with their property address, 51 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,560 their name and property addresses. Um at 52 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,160 the end of this and then we would 53 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,440 reconvene um at a later date for the 54 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,790 staff reports and our findings. 55 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Any questions on that? 56 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,599 >> No. If you want to just go right into 57 00:08:09,599 --> 00:08:11,039 your any questions for Mur. Go right 58 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:12,960 into one 1.3. 59 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,039 >> Comments by city assessor. 60 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:18,960 >> I have very brief comments here for you. 61 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Um, as you know, our assessing 62 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,199 department is tasked with valuing all 63 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:27,199 taxable property in the city of Grand 64 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:34,800 Forks. Um, we analyze sales. We, um, 65 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,880 look at the data to support our 66 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,680 valuations. Market adjustments are made 67 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,599 based on sales in the neighborhood. Um, 68 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:45,920 we're charged with 69 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,760 using that data collection through 70 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,399 reappraisal and sales review and then 71 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,120 analyzing to provide the estimates and 72 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,959 value that are fair, reasonable, and 73 00:08:54,959 --> 00:08:59,190 supportable. 74 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,399 This slide will show you that we uh did 75 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:03,920 2125 76 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,200 residential properties for our 77 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,959 reappraisal. 78 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:10,080 In addition to that, we did 221 multif 79 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,800 family prop um properties. They were 80 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,200 between 5 and 18 units. We haven't done 81 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,600 them in quite some time. So, we took 82 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,279 that time and did a re exterior 83 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:22,160 reappraisal with them. of the 84 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,600 residential properties, 33% allowed us 85 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,920 into their properties at reappraisal 86 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,839 time. That's running consistent with 87 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:33,760 over the years exactly. So nothing new 88 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 there. 89 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,160 This slide is showing you our valuations 90 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,120 from the sales ratio data. You can see 91 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,959 on the commercial side, our historical 92 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:45,200 is 94.4%. 93 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Uh residential is 88.95. 94 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,760 This slide shows the relationship 95 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,399 between our assessed valuation and the 96 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,640 sales prices for the commercial and the 97 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,040 residential properties. Um, as a note, 98 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 our commercial sales, we did not have 30 99 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,560 sales. That is standard that we are 100 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,800 required to have. So, we had to go back 101 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,800 last year and supplement with those 102 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,760 sales to um provide our sales ratio 103 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,240 study. Um, interestingly that of the 104 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,680 residential sales between 91 and 92% of 105 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:21,200 the residential sales have sold for 106 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,320 more than our assessment values were on 107 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,920 them. 108 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,160 You can see here how in um our matrixes 109 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,200 of providing horizontal and vertical 110 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,279 equity, we are within the ranges as 111 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:38,720 prescribed by the um inter international 112 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,079 assessing officers association. 113 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:43,519 The trends that we're seeing is that 114 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:44,959 inventory is still going to continue to 115 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:49,040 be an issue. Um 116 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,040 over the past five years in 2021 we had 117 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,399 750 usable sales. This year we have 573. 118 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:02,160 So sales are less because inventory is 119 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,200 not there. Um is my interpretation of 120 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,040 it. Um so I think that breeds to a a 121 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,920 note to the need for housing in our 122 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,640 area. New construction. We had 15 new 123 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,240 construction permits in 2025. 124 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Four of them were government properties 125 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,560 between school, city um pump station, 126 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,519 Altru, and a building out at the 127 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:33,040 airport. 128 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,360 The rest um so we've started um Cirrus 129 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Altra Sports Complex and the BMX 130 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,920 buildings. Those have started this year. 131 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,320 So next year or within the near future, 132 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,680 we're going to have a Gristo, the 133 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,560 Children's Museum and Brookstone. Um and 134 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,200 residentially we had 85 new construction 135 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,519 permits. Um that's still down a little 136 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:56,399 bit from our high point, but um those 137 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,440 are our numbers for current as current. 138 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,360 This is giving you our preliminary true 139 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,839 and full value. We have um increased a 140 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:07,839 4.03% 141 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:11,519 from last year to this year. Um this is 142 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:15,279 a reflection of 143 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,240 uh where's my numbers? 144 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Um 1.47% 145 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,360 in growth, 2.56% 146 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,200 in revaluation. Um with regard to our 147 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,240 taxable values, 148 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,160 this is our showing our taxable value 149 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,800 based on these preliminary numbers. Um 150 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,279 our taxable value based on what we have 151 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:42,629 today is 313,992,785. 152 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,959 So you can see here our taxable value 153 00:12:44,959 --> 00:12:46,880 growth. Those numbers are different than 154 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,959 what true and full value is but it's 155 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:52,480 based on the the difference between the 156 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,399 residential assessment rate and 157 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:57,279 commercial 158 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,440 and then we go into um the exemptions 159 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,519 that we have. So these non-discretionary 160 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:03,680 exemptions are the state prescribed 161 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,560 ones. Um charitables, blind wheelchair, 162 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,040 child care, those have remained fairly 163 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,600 consistent. This is the discretionary 164 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,639 ones, the new business pilot in TIFF. Um 165 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:17,519 in two weeks or whenever we set our next 166 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:19,120 board, we will have our annual report 167 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,440 for you. Um you will see how this new 168 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,600 business pilot in TIFF has increased 169 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,079 about 43 and a half million dollars um 170 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:31,200 from 25 and that's due because of uh 171 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,440 Memorial Village 2 has been completed 172 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,160 this year and then the remodel 173 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,800 exemptions new home and builder. 174 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,519 Um that is my presentation. It's over um 175 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:47,279 very brief. Um but if you have any 176 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:48,720 specific questions, I'd be more than 177 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,639 happy to answer them. And I would say 178 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:52,560 that um thank you to my assessing staff 179 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,880 for what they do. Um they do a good job 180 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,880 and I'm proud of what they what we have 181 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,079 done. So 182 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:00,240 >> sounds good. Uh Miss Lzer, I I got a 183 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,680 couple questions for you, but I'll let 184 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,920 um Mr. Oski go first, please. 185 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,360 >> Yeah, I have a quick question on how we 186 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,800 assess basement. 187 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,069 So 188 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:17,279 in the past five years essentially 189 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:21,760 around the time that we had the 9 in of 190 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,720 rain come through 191 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,880 about that point we started seeing an 192 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,199 influx of properties 193 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:34,320 with no basement onslab or crawl space. 194 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,760 they were selling for virtually the same 195 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,639 amount as a full basement. 196 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,440 We had to make an adjustment. We waited 197 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,519 till we got some data in order to 198 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,440 support what number that we were going 199 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 to use. Um, when we finally had 200 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,839 something of a data set, a paired data 201 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:57,680 set, we used that information to come up 202 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:03,040 with the number to add back in to the 203 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,720 valuation. Our canvas system 204 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,800 is has a base of a full basement and 205 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,560 they're not the slabs are not or crawl 206 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,839 spaces are not the full basement 207 00:15:17,839 --> 00:15:19,360 valuation. 208 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,360 The data has showed they're about 85 to 209 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,959 90%. 210 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:25,519 And so we've used that as a barometer 211 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,880 and had to um implement it into our 212 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,360 evaluations. Um, and it has proved 213 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,839 I have not had 214 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:38,800 a sale in the last two years come 215 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,320 through where my valuation was over a 216 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,639 sale price. 217 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:47,360 And I have to list it I have to list it 218 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,040 as a I can't list it as a full basement 219 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,360 because it's not a full basement. And so 220 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,399 when our system takes out value, removes 221 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,360 value, I have to find a way that is 222 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,279 supportable in our market to reflect the 223 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:05,199 valuations that are coming through. 224 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:07,120 >> I guess one of the complaints that I had 225 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,440 is someone's, you know, assessment 226 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,000 jumped up pretty high and then they 227 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,600 contacted 228 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,000 um the city and they were told because 229 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,040 now crawl spa spaces are assessed at the 230 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,600 same as a full unfinished business or 231 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,040 basement. And I guess I don't really 232 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,040 understand that when when you're talking 233 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:33,519 about even crawl spaces. I I mean it's a dirt floor. There's not even any 234 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,600 type of opportunity for people to do 235 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,000 anything with their crawl spaces. A lot 236 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,079 of these people who have crawl spaces 237 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:43,680 have to find, you know, if their water 238 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,360 heater goes down there and stuff, they 239 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,839 oftent times have to buy special, you 240 00:16:47,839 --> 00:16:50,800 know, short and wide water heaters for 241 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,120 their homes. And so I guess I I'm really 242 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,560 confused about why, you know, we're 243 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 assessing an unfinished B or an 244 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,240 unfinished basement the same as a crawl 245 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,319 space and and I find that really hard to 246 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,600 believe. 247 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 >> Messur, I think you just said it's not 248 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,640 the same. Would you say crawlac% right? 249 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,360 Is that what you're saying? 250 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:14,720 >> Yeah. So it wouldn't be the same. Um 251 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,400 crawl spaces and slabs are treated the 252 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,760 same roughly. Is that where you're at? 253 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Okay. 254 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,319 >> Yes. 255 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,039 >> All right. 256 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,880 And they're not the same as an 257 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,160 unfinished basement. Then they're 85% of 258 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,600 an unfinished basement. 259 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,839 >> Sure. Council person Oski, I understand 260 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,960 your concern and your comments. Um 261 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,679 unfortunately our sales and our local 262 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:36,640 market data doesn't s doesn't suggest 263 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,320 that that's an um the case 264 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,240 with and until we have more evidence 265 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,360 um to support something different 266 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,400 I will then make that adjustment but 267 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,960 until I have some evidence to change 268 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,360 that theory that market adjustment would 269 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,679 I I would suggest is holding the course. 270 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:02,240 So, is that 85% of an unfinished 271 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,280 basement is was what a crawl space is 272 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,240 being assessed at? 273 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,480 >> Yeah. And I believe it was 90% that I 274 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,360 used when I looked at crawl spaces 275 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,720 versus slabs. I had a paired data set 276 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,760 and the crawl spaces. Um, 277 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,039 >> so it was 90% is the adjustment that was 278 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:21,280 made. 279 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 >> So, I have an unfinished basement and 280 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,760 then I have a crawl but a crawl space 281 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,240 and a slab are assessed equally. 282 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,600 Correct. Correct. 283 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,120 >> And they are 85% of what an unfinished 284 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,640 basement 285 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,919 would be assessed at. 286 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,919 >> The values are telling us that it's 287 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:38,400 that's 288 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,320 >> but that's how we're going forward is 289 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,919 that crawl spaces and slabs are assessed 290 00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:47,760 at 85% of what an unfinished basement 291 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,640 would be. 292 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,679 >> And they are depreciated along with the 293 00:18:51,679 --> 00:18:58,549 age of the property. They um 294 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,880 I guess that was my only point. Okay. 295 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,480 >> And you're using you're using market 296 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,320 sales. You're not using Yeah. So this is 297 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,840 the market that's saying that she has to 298 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,200 keep it within uh the percentage 299 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,120 required by the state. So it's it's the 300 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:09,840 data 301 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,320 >> and and I understand that. I I disagree 302 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,919 that they should be assessed at 85% but 303 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,160 obviously that's a decision that has 304 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,280 been made. So thank you. And you're just 305 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,039 again using market sales. So it's not 306 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:24,480 really a decision that you get to make. 307 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,480 It's a decision that's forced upon you 308 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,320 by the state to be within the limits. 309 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,320 >> I had to find a way. I had to find a 310 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,600 method that was equitable across the 311 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,559 board. Um and I can't treat 1970 crawl 312 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,559 spaces and not make that adjustment when 313 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:46,080 I'm doing it to 2000. I mean whatever age another one is where that 314 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,440 might be different. 315 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,520 >> You have to do the same. I find it 316 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,120 important to do the same thing across 317 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,760 the board so that we don't 318 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760 are consistent and in our values 319 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,919 >> and you've had zero that have sold um 320 00:19:57,919 --> 00:19:59,679 for a market value less than the assess. 321 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:01,039 So you've always had them assessed at 322 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:04,720 lower and in fact in 2025 you had the 323 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,960 entire every marketable sale added 324 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,559 together at an arms length so they're 325 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:10,000 not your brother selling it to each 326 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,480 other. You were roughly 89 cents on the 327 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,840 dollar as far as where you had it 328 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,440 assessed versus what it sold for. That 329 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,799 was my question. Okay. 330 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:19,039 >> Yep. We actually just had a sale happen 331 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,799 here a couple weeks ago, a 1970s 332 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:24,320 build 333 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,960 um on slab that and I'll be honest with 334 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,120 you, those do concern me. Um but it sold 335 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,600 for I have I'm still less than the 336 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,640 valuation. 337 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,640 >> Okay. 338 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,080 All right. Any other questions from Miss 339 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,480 Lazour? Otherwise, we'll 340 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,120 receive formal protests. 341 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,720 So, I would ask if um I do have um this 342 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,200 afternoon I did receive 343 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,919 um properties from at 1118th Avenue 344 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:59,039 South, 717 Reeves Drive, 701 Demurs, 345 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:03,600 1127 South 12th Street, and 505 and 507 346 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,159 North 3rd Street. Those provided us with 347 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:08,559 an email or a phone call stating that 348 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:10,799 they wanted to appeal their valuations. 349 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,400 So, if there's anybody else here in the 350 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,720 crowd that has a concern that they want 351 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,720 to raise, now would be the time to 352 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,840 please step up. 353 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,520 >> Okay. And then you'll work um not only 354 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600 those, but the others, you know, between 355 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,200 now and that formal hearing date is, 356 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,039 you'll work to to resolve there as much 357 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,159 as possible and then we'll have the 358 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:27,120 hearing. All right. And you've got that 359 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,360 over to finance those addresses. 360 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,039 >> I will get them to them this evening, 361 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:31,840 tomorrow morning. Yep. 362 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,120 >> All right. Mr. Dar, if you want to read 363 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,440 in 1.4 and then we'll open it up. 364 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,679 >> All right. 1.4. then will receive formal 365 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:39,600 protests and set the date to reconvene 366 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,280 as the board of equalization. 367 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,559 >> All right. So, if there's anyone that 368 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,159 wants to add their address into that 369 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:46,159 formal protest uh to be formally 370 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:49,120 protested, uh please come forward to the 371 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,400 microphone now. 372 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,789 Don't all come at once. 373 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,320 And if you if you already had been 374 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,760 already um called by her, you wouldn't 375 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,039 have to. We'll have that in the record. 376 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:02,320 But if you weren't, please make sure you 377 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:02,720 come up. 378 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,320 >> Well, actually, I did call. So, I don't 379 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,240 know why my name was on there. It wasn't 380 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,320 our address wasn't on there, but uh 381 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,600 >> what property are you at? 382 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,360 >> 3712 Belmont Road. 383 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,440 >> Okay. I was not aware of it, so my 384 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 apologies. Thank you. 385 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,159 >> And and I guess my first some general 386 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:20,240 comments, I guess I know you guys have a 387 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,280 really hard time to when there's such a 388 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,440 lack of housing stock in this city that 389 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,400 everybody's paying a lot more for homes 390 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,400 than they typically would if there were 391 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,960 a lot of housing uh house options for 392 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840 the people. In our case, uh I live in a 393 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,919 house with 3712 Belmont. Um it was built 394 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:41,760 in 1975. 395 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,200 We've not made any improvements since uh 396 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,440 2012. 397 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,640 And our taxes uh evaluations have gone 398 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,039 up about 5.8% since 2017. 399 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:58,320 And this year, um, I know there's not 400 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,600 much you can do about this, but our, uh, 401 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480 evaluation went up over $100,000. 402 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Went up 28%. 403 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,480 And it just seems 404 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240 kind of out of the ordinary. 405 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,039 Um 406 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:21,270 the uh 407 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,960 I guess another comment some of the 408 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,039 comps when we talked to the assessor's 409 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,840 office was where homes that were built 410 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 like after 1985 411 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120 and ours was built 1975. I don't know if 412 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:38,240 that age but there's a factor homes don't last forever. You know a 413 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,880 simple ranch which we're in uh maybe 414 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,559 what a hundred years. So we're into it, 415 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,520 you know, 50 some years already. So I 416 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,280 don't know, our valuations start going 417 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,240 down after a simple ranch because in 418 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,200 another 40 years or so, this house will 419 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240 probably be torn down and rebuilt. 420 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Just some comments. Thank you for 421 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,400 hearing me. 422 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,919 >> Thank you, sir. And then we uh no 423 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:04,640 decision will be made tonight. They'll get in touch with the assessor's 424 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,000 office office and go from there. And 425 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,280 then the final decision, what is the 426 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,080 date that we're setting? 427 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,799 >> Did you have 428 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,320 >> I think we can go with two weeks. to 429 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,200 April 20th. 430 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,640 >> April 20th. So, you'll hear from her 431 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,000 office in the meantime and then 432 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,840 >> I did put some exhibits together to kind 433 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,960 of illustrate this. 434 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,320 >> Perfect. Yep. You can just leave that 435 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,960 right there with Miss 436 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,600 >> and that was 3712 Belmont Road. Correct. 437 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,360 Thank you. 438 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:33,029 All right. Next. 439 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:38,320 Hi. I uh I live at 386 uh 44th Avenue 440 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,510 South. 441 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,960 um been seeing the typical increases in 442 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960 my tax property values over the last few 443 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,039 years. However, from 2025 to 2026, I saw 444 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,440 an increase of $37,000 445 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,640 uh with not making a single um single 446 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840 change to my property at all. Um I did a 447 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,640 little bit of investigating here. Um 448 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,720 one thing that we did that our neighbors 449 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,440 maybe didn't do is that we did allow for 450 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,520 uh an interior inspection on our 451 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,520 property. Um that's the only thing 452 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,039 really we've done differently this year 453 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,159 than we have last. And uh and I think 454 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,000 that's partly the reason why I'm seeing 455 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,880 the increase. Um I live in a modest 2700 456 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,799 ft um twotory onslab 457 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,520 and uh actually have two houses that are 458 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,039 exactly the same as mine in my 459 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,080 neighborhood. Um, I actually pulled all 460 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,039 of the information here and noticed that 461 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,960 this year I was assessed uh as a 462 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,080 fivebedroom and not a four and also what 463 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,480 appears to be two three stall garages. 464 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080 So, I'm just wondering if there's some 465 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000 uh some other look that we could take at 466 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 this. Um, I'm just surprised at the 467 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,039 increase I saw this year. 468 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,480 >> Okay, we'll definitely take a look at 469 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,039 it. 470 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:58,559 >> Okay. 471 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,400 All right. That's all for today and then 472 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,240 they'll be in touch and then the final 473 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,360 uh decision will be two weeks from 474 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:03,760 today. 475 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,279 >> Okay, sounds good. Would you like any of 476 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:06,240 this information? 477 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,679 >> We can get it when we come to you. 478 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:08,799 >> Thank you very much. 479 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:09,760 >> Thank you. 480 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,159 >> And that was 3086 44th Avenue South. 481 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:12,960 Correct. 482 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,909 >> Correct. Very good. 483 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:24,000 My name is Jean Dubois. D U B O I S G N 484 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,640 E. I live at 234 Chestnut. 485 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,350 The house was built in 1956. 486 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,400 You have raised the assessment on my 487 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,840 house $59,000, 488 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,000 which is outrageous because I have not 489 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,559 done anything to it from the last time 490 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,400 an assess an assessor came. That was two 491 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,159 years ago. 492 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:53,520 So what I would like to do if possible 493 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760 is to have somebody come and physically 494 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480 assess 495 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,320 how suddenly I'm paying or I'm going to 496 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,440 be charged for $59,000 497 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760 more of house. 498 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,799 Okay. I might add my wife and I are 499 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,320 retired. 500 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,880 We live off of social security and our 501 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,520 pension and that would represent uh a 502 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,520 chunk of what we live off of. Uh 503 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,559 personally, I find it outrageous 504 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,200 that suddenly a house that has been 505 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720 sitting there since 1956 is now worth 506 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,760 over 40 over $400,000 507 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,559 when Zillow doesn't even have it 508 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,200 assessed at that. So, I'd really 509 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,360 appreciate if the powers that be could 510 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:52,159 look into this and um perhaps uh in some 511 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:57,679 way change its uh view. 512 00:27:57,679 --> 00:27:59,840 Two bedrooms upstairs, a guest room 513 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720 downstairs, unfinished basement. 514 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,200 Uh it's an old house, so if that can be 515 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,679 done, I would very much appreciate it. 516 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:10,240 Absolutely. 517 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,909 >> Thank you, sir. 518 00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:23,350 » All right. Others, please, sir. 519 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,120 Excuse me. Good evening, members of the 520 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,600 board. My name is James Hayes, but I go 521 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,919 by Jim. I'm a new resident to North 522 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:31,600 Dakota and a new resident to Grand 523 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Forks. I came up to take a contract job 524 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,880 with the space force working as an 525 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,279 engineer on a satellite project and I 526 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,200 need to be within a 30-minute drive 527 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,279 because our operation is a 247 528 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,120 operation. I need to be within a 529 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,960 30-minute drive. So, I looked all around 530 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,039 to Northwood and Hatton and Laramore and 531 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,360 decided to move here to Grand Forks. I 532 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,240 bought a house at 17 Fenton Avenue, 533 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,679 which is 109y old house. Along with it 534 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,960 came a lot next to it at 21 Fenton 535 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,480 Avenue. It's in the Riverside 536 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200 neighborhood. When I first bought the 537 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,279 property, I realized it was two separate 538 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,520 parcels. And I called the city a year 539 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,120 ago when I bought the house in July to 540 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,840 see what I could build on that smaller 541 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,919 parcel. And since it's part of the 542 00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,120 original Riverside, Grand Forks 543 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,399 development. It was so narrow and so 544 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,240 long that I could not build anything on 545 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,559 it. So there's no utilities on it, no 546 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,279 residence on it, no mother-in-law suite. 547 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,600 And so when I get a tax bill, I get two 548 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,760 separate tax bills. One for the house at 549 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,919 17 and one for the empty lot at 21. Uh 550 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:39,919 I'm being taxed on that. When I bought 551 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,320 the house, there was two sheds. One was 552 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,840 a neighbor's shed that I asked him to 553 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,520 remove and one was a shed that was the 554 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,559 previous owner of the house that I 555 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,240 bought. So the only thing that I can do 556 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,120 on that lot is to put a shed on it. And 557 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,600 I'm being taxed at a what I think is a 558 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,679 high tax rate. And if you're going by 559 00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:58,960 market sales on how to assess these 560 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,080 lots, I can't build anything on it. The city says I cannot join the two lots 561 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,600 because there's a easement. There's an 562 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,080 alleyway that goes between the two lots 563 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640 that I have to 564 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,480 do nothing on it and still be taxed on 565 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,240 it. So it's it's really a unellable lot 566 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,720 for development. So 567 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,799 >> sir, did you want them to look at 17 568 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,240 feton or just that just 21? They they're 569 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,159 combined sort of. 570 00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:27,919 >> Yeah, I understand. Perfect. They'll be 571 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:28,480 in touch with you. 572 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,039 >> All right. Thank you. 573 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,269 >> Yeah. Thanks. 574 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:34,720 » And uh Miss Lazar, as you're reaching 575 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,399 out to people, are you able to are you 576 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:39,279 going to go right to the uh the property 577 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,279 tax information? I'm just making sure 578 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,640 you're able to reach out to them and and 579 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,159 get a hold of somebody. What I would ask 580 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,919 is all the property owners if they would 581 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,480 meet up with my force um assessing 582 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,799 people for phone numbers and emails so 583 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,080 that we can reach out to them and make 584 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080 the appointments. We will do that. 585 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,200 >> You want them to do that right now or 586 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,480 are you saying yes please? Okay. 587 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,320 >> Yes. Or when this meeting is over they 588 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:58,799 can do that. 589 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,159 >> Perfect. Okay. She will be on the 590 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,000 hallway. Oh, you got a couple. Perfect. 591 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,159 All right. 592 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,480 >> All right. Any other uh um protests for 593 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,789 this evening? 594 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,240 » Couldn't hear me. 595 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,919 Oh, sorry. Any other protests for this 596 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:20,720 evening on item 1.4? Please. Yep. 597 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440 >> I uh own the property at 374 Payton's 598 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,399 Place Circle and uh believe the 599 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:28,000 assessment between last year and this 600 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480 year went up by about uh close to 16% 601 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,240 which it seems a little high based on 602 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,279 some market recent sales I looked at and other factors of market factors in 603 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:38,480 this area. There weren't any 604 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,399 improvements to the property. So, I'm 605 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,640 assuming the reassessment and valuation 606 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,320 is based only on the change in the 607 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,840 market 608 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,320 uh forces. And like I said, it seems 609 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,600 like it's a little bit higher than what 610 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,399 I've seen in my research. 611 00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:54,080 >> Sure. We'll take a look at him. 612 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,840 >> Thank you. 374 Payton's Place circle. 613 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,240 All right. Thank you, sir. 614 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:13,110 Please, sir. 615 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:19,190 Yes, please. 616 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,039 » Good evening. Now, my name is Jerry 617 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:25,039 Moran. Live at uh 605 618 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,600 24th Avenue South 619 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,080 for a long time now. 620 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,279 My spiel will be very short. 621 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,960 We got the notice and uh saw that it had 622 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,640 gone up $14,000 from last year. 623 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640 Due to illness in the family, we haven't 624 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000 been able to complete any projects this 625 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,509 past year. So everything is the same. 626 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,640 Being a retired on fixed income, both of 627 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,519 us this December, that's going to be a 628 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,200 chunk for us to swallow. 629 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,279 That's about it. That's about it for me. 630 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,880 >> Okay. Thank you, sir. 631 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,159 >> What happens now? 632 00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:09,600 >> So, they're going to work with you over 633 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,200 the next two weeks and then in two 634 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,399 weeks, if they haven't resolved it, 635 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:13,760 we'll have the final decision by this 636 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,519 board here. 637 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,480 >> Thanks, Bill. 638 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,440 >> Yeah. Thank you. 639 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,159 >> That nice gal standing back there, we'll 640 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:32,470 get your phone number. Yeah. 641 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,840 All right, just leave it open for a 642 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,440 minute more or secure more seconds if 643 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,669 anybody else. 644 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,039 » All right. Um, so now we'll be looking 645 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:42,799 for a motion to accept those protests 646 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,640 and set the date for the um to reconvene 647 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440 as a board of equalization on 648 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200 >> 14 days April 20th. 649 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,720 >> I motion. 650 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,559 >> We got a motion. Do we have a second? 651 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:54,960 >> Second. 652 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,159 President Sandy. Motion from 653 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,480 Oski, second by President Sandy. Any 654 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640 further discussion? 655 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,080 Seeing none, all those in favor signify 656 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,799 by saying I. 657 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,640 >> I. 658 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,039 >> Same sign. Motion carries unanimously. 659 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:07,679 >> Thank you. 660 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,440 >> Okay. Look for a motion to adjourn. 661 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560 Motion journalski. Second from Berg. 662 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,720 >> All those in favor signify by saying I. 663 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,200 >> I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries 664 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:27,990 unanimously. 665 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,119 All right, moving right along. We'll 666 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,480 call to order the Grand Fork City 667 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,079 Council meeting for Monday, April 6th. 668 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,760 >> Give me a roll call, please. Marine 669 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,359 >> Wel here, 670 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:37,760 >> here. 671 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,639 >> Berg here, 672 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:39,280 >> Lansky 673 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,599 >> here. 674 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:40,800 >> Fredals 675 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,359 >> here, 676 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:41,839 >> Dean 677 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:42,159 >> here, 678 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,159 >> and President Sandy here. We have a 679 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:44,879 quorum. Thank you. 680 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:46,320 >> Thank you. Item 1.2, pledge of 681 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,760 allegiance. Please rise. 682 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,159 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 683 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,560 United States of America and to the 684 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,440 republic for which it stands, one nation 685 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,320 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 686 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:07,270 justice for all. 687 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960 » All right. Uh item 1.3, mayor's 688 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,240 announcements. Two announcements this 689 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,079 evening. I just want to thank all those 690 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,320 that attended uh the state of the base 691 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,920 last week. A great turnout. But I think 692 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,680 uh Colonel Rosal did a phenomenal job 693 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,160 and our base is in great hands and only 694 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,680 improving which is which is great to 695 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,160 see. It was a a story of retention in 696 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,440 the past and now it's a story of 697 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,599 enhancement. So it's pretty exciting uh 698 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,599 to get to be just a small part of that. 699 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,640 Um one other announcement um uh with 700 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,240 great sadness and I just want to offer 701 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,920 condolences and deepest sympathies to 702 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800 the family of Jim Sheff. Um he had 703 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,400 worked in the public works department uh 704 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,320 in the street division as an equipment 705 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,640 operator since 2017. So almost 10 years 706 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520 with the city and uh really unexpectedly 707 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,599 he had passed away at just 46 years old. 708 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,079 So pretty sad to see. I know he has a 709 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,640 family he will be greatly missed. Um so 710 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,119 just want to give my condolences and uh 711 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:08,069 life is precious. So very sad to see. 712 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,480 » Move on to item two awards presentations 713 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,920 appointments and proclamations. All 714 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,800 right. 2.1 is a proclamation. Fair 715 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,119 housing month, April 2026. 716 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:18,400 >> All right. We got that one attached. I'm 717 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,359 going to move through the proclamations 718 00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:22,640 today. I know we got a packed agenda. 719 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,720 So, go to the next 720 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,040 >> 2.2 proclamation national public health 721 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,760 week, April 6th through 12th, 2026 and 722 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,200 presentation of the health champions 723 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,920 awards. 724 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,599 >> Awesome. That's also attached. I know we 725 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,160 got a presentation uh right now from 726 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,680 public health, so we'll we'll jump right 727 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,440 into that. Uh for our champions award, 728 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,079 do we got Oh, there we go. Perfect. I 729 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,480 know Tess is coming 730 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,240 as well. And I'm going to I think I come 731 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,920 down for this part. Are we You ready for 732 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,240 me? 733 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:48,960 >> Uh, yeah. 734 00:36:48,960 --> 00:37:08,630 >> All right. 735 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,560 Good evening, Mayor Bachensky, President 736 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,560 Sandy, and members of city council. 737 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,079 Thank you so much for the opportunity to 738 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,160 speak this evening. My name is Sarah 739 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,760 Odigard, and I'm a nurse with Grand 740 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,839 Forks Public Health. As noted in the 741 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:21,599 proclamation, today marks the start of 742 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,520 National Public Health Week, an 743 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,280 initiative led by the American Public 744 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,280 Health Association to celebrate public 745 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,800 health professionals, highlight the 746 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200 impact of public health services, and 747 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,040 advocate for policies that create a 748 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,440 healthier nation. I have the privilege 749 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,680 of co-chairing our local National Public 750 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,280 Health Week committee, and it's truly an 751 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000 honor to present the 2026 Public Health 752 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,800 Champion Awardees. Before we begin with 753 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,320 awards, I'd like to briefly highlight 754 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,480 two free communitywide events happening 755 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640 this week. Both of which come with a 756 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,000 chance to win a 12-month car wash pass 757 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,839 generously donated by our friends at 758 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:57,920 Ryel Chevrolet. 759 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,040 First event, we have our healthy selfie 760 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,720 challenge. Participants are invited to 761 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,800 submit a photo to the discussion tab of 762 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,400 our event on the grounds public health 763 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040 Facebook page promoting physical or 764 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,960 mental well-being. Entries must be 765 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,720 posted by 5:00 p. p.m. on April 9th to 766 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,160 be eligible for the drawing, which will 767 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,800 take place Friday morning. Second, we're 768 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800 hosting a roll and stroll event this 769 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040 Wednesday at 1 p.m. This statewide 770 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960 initiative encourages physical activity 771 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,280 in honor of National Public Health Week. 772 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,720 We'll gather at Town Square by the 773 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,720 paddle wheel. So whether you walk, roll, 774 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,160 or just come for the fresh air, we'd 775 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,000 love to see you there. Additional 776 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,760 details can be found on our Facebook 777 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,359 page. 778 00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:37,920 Now to the awards. 779 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,480 Um they are in order. So, 780 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,800 our first award goes to Ashley Bane, 781 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960 assistant director of the UND public 782 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,400 health program. Since 2020, Ashley has 783 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,720 served as the de facto director and can 784 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,400 continues to move the program forward in 785 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400 ways that are beneficial to both UND and 786 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,880 Grand Forks communities. A few examples 787 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,800 of her work include helping stand up 788 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,599 UND's joint jurist doctor/master of 789 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,240 public health program, updating UND's 790 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:11,200 MD/Masters of public health program, and 791 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,359 helping UND students engage in a host of 792 00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,440 community-based public health events 793 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,440 with area health departments and health 794 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,839 providers. Thank you, Ashley, for your 795 00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:21,520 leadership and for helping shape the 796 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:29,430 future of public health. 797 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,640 Next is a double. So, we're going to 798 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,359 recognize Taylor Rested and Jamie 799 00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:39,190 Zuniga. 800 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,040 Taylor and Jamie are with the Grand 801 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,359 Forks H housing authority. They work 802 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,280 tire tirelessly for those in our 803 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200 community that are experiencing housing 804 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,599 insecurity. They lead the team at the 805 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,599 nest on fourth to meet folks where they 806 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,839 are, provide shelter, and work with many 807 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,440 community partners to get clients 808 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,960 connected with essential community 809 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,230 services. 810 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,839 Thank you, Taylor and Jamie, for your 811 00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:03,440 dedication and your compassionate 812 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:11,990 service. 813 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,560 We are pleased to honor Nancy O'Hara, 814 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,280 director of development at United Way 815 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,310 with a public health champion award. 816 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,079 Nancy has committed to connecting people 817 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,160 with resources and has consistently 818 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,079 collaborated with Women's Way, a service 819 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:29,760 that connects women to life-saving 820 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,920 breast and cervical cancer screenings. 821 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,920 Her efforts have strengthened community 822 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,280 trust, increased screening 823 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,760 participation, and improved access to 824 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,599 pre preventative care, making a 825 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,160 measurable disection 826 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,160 outcomes. Thank you, Nancy, for your 827 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,680 continued commitment and improving 828 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:52,710 community health. 829 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,760 And last but not least, we recognize 830 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,079 Corporal Brian Samson, community 831 00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,920 outreach officer with the Grand Forks 832 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,349 Police Department. 833 00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:05,119 Brian has demonstrated exceptional 834 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,960 leadership in advancing community health 835 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,960 through alcohol and tobacco prevention 836 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,359 efforts. His collaborative approach has 837 00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:14,000 promoted responsible retail practices, 838 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,400 reduced underage sales and number of 839 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,319 fake IDs and increased community 840 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,720 awareness awareness. His work 841 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,880 exemplifies public health principles and 842 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,640 makes a positive impact on the health of 843 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,079 our community and the health of our 844 00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,319 youth. Thank you, Officer Samson, for 845 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:35,510 your service and dedication. 846 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,440 THANK YOU AGAIN AND congratulations to 847 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,319 all of our 2026 public health champions 848 00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,880 and thank you again for um the time and 849 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,319 space to honor these outstanding 850 00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:49,829 individuals. 851 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:52,079 » Are city employees eligible to win those 852 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:53,359 prizes? 853 00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:53,920 >> They are. 854 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,309 >> Yeah. Good. Good to know. 855 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:01,520 2.3 is the 42nd Street and Demurs Avenue 856 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,560 project update. 857 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,640 >> Oh, was that a Was President Sandy going 858 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,000 to win this award next year? I don't 859 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,359 know. 860 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,640 >> No, the prizes. 861 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,720 >> Oh, the prizes. Okay. Oh, yeah. 862 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,319 >> I If I could do something in public 863 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:13,839 health, I'd certainly 864 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,560 >> All right, moving on. Mr. Ko, please. 865 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,839 >> Good evening, Mayor Bachinsky and 866 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:20,079 members of the council. Uh tonight I'm 867 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,119 joined here with uh Blue Weber and Chris 868 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,599 Stall from Bolton Mink as well as Wayne 869 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,440 Zacher and Michael Johnson from the DOT 870 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,079 online. Um we've been making a fair 871 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,599 amount of progress on this 42nd Street 872 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,000 underpass project. It has been bid out 873 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,640 and awarded by the DOT and so now it's 874 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,480 time to give you all a uh project 875 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,400 update. And with that, I'll hand it off 876 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,119 to Blue. 877 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,960 >> Perfect. Thanks so much. Thanks for 878 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,760 having me tonight. So, one thing that I 879 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,839 want to touch on before getting started 880 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,160 is if we can just hold questions until 881 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,079 the very end, uh we will have some time 882 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,839 to answer questions about detour routes, 883 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:56,640 all that fun stuff. And uh Mr. D is here 884 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,000 to answer any of the smart person 885 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,599 questions that I will not know the 886 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,839 answers to. But uh before even getting 887 00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:03,599 started, I do want to just point to the 888 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,599 fact that we have this as the 42D 889 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,520 alliance. Uh it was a really important 890 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,119 thing for us to talk about because this 891 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,880 is a partnership. This is a massive 892 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,280 project for the city of Grand Forks and 893 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,599 I without the DOT and the city leading 894 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,920 that charge. Uh we wouldn't be able to 895 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,920 be where we're at. So just really wanted 896 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,319 to kind of throw my hat out uh for all 897 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:23,599 of those people who have made this 898 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,040 happen. So some of these first slides 899 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,280 are really just going to be recaps about 900 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,040 what you already know, but why this 901 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,520 project exists. Uh it's everything from 902 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,079 delay to some safety issues, uh north 903 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,920 south connectivities, especially with 904 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,079 how the city is growing, especially with 905 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,640 the 42nd corridor growing the way it is. 906 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,240 Uh this is one of those projects that's 907 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,200 just very necessary. Uh and it's been uh 908 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,359 a long time in the making and so uh 909 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:52,000 really nice to see it finally happening. 910 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920 Uh from there, I just wanted to kind of 911 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839 go over a couple big historic 912 00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,480 milestones. Uh earliest feasibility 913 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,240 studies uh date actually all the way 914 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,760 back to the '9s. that's how long this 915 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,920 has been talked about. Uh as well as 916 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,240 talking about what that right of way and 917 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,000 property acquisition would look like. 918 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,200 From there, it led into the 919 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,599 environmental document. Uh and then most 920 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,560 recently saw the FRA railroad grant uh 921 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,640 be awarded. Uh and then that's where we 922 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,119 came in to do that final design. Uh and 923 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,119 what we're here tonight and really what 924 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,640 uh the meat and potatoes of tonight's 925 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,319 presentation is uh the upcoming 926 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:25,760 construction window and what that looks 927 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,440 like. So, uh, another brief recap. Just 928 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,960 wanted to remind you all about the 929 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,960 preferred alternative, which is this jug 930 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,160 handle. So, uh, back in 2023, city 931 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,079 council did approve the environmental 932 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,640 document with two alternatives. One was 933 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,640 a sunken intersection, uh, and the other 934 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,040 one was this jug handle. Uh, the DOT 935 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,359 then proceeded forward with uh, the jug 936 00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:50,160 handle alternative, the B1. 937 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,960 Uh so some of the different final design 938 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,040 uh notes that we wanted to make and uh 939 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,480 inform you all on that are a little 940 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,839 different from maybe last time you saw 941 00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:00,640 us were uh this wider median uh up on 942 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,800 Demurs for a potential left turn lane 943 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,599 over to that gas station uh which in 944 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,839 turn actually widened the Demurs Avenue 945 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:10,240 bridge uh and then some widening of the 946 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,119 BNSF railway bridge to make way for an 947 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:14,800 access and maintenance roadway as well 948 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,839 as a third rail line. Uh just a reminder 949 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:20,000 about this east jug handle that cuts 950 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,640 over into Ray Richard's golf course. Uh 951 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,800 and then this threequarter access on 952 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,079 42nd for the top tracer golf facility. 953 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,560 And then uh a big point here is all of 954 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,079 the utility work that has to go into 955 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,760 this. This is everything from storm 956 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,599 water improvements to the water main 957 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,599 replacement and a lift station to make 958 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,359 sure that uh there's not big puddles of 959 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:41,040 water sitting down in there. And then 960 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,839 this backage road uh culde-sac that does 961 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:46,480 pres uh preserve some access uh for that 962 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,920 gas station as well. So this is just 963 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000 really a nice overview for you all to 964 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560 see what that final design looks like. 965 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,240 Uh so you can see where that backage 966 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,520 road is. You can see what the 967 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,440 intersection and the other intersection 968 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,520 up on demurs will look like. And really 969 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,079 just a nice way to see this. 970 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,839 An important thing to talk about though 971 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:08,160 is that landscaping uh aesthetics and 972 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,400 the placemaking really making this not 973 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,640 just another roadway but a very pretty 974 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,800 project for town. Uh so some of the 975 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,560 things that you're seeing here are uh 976 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,720 the decorative lighting up on top. Uh 977 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,800 these will be RGB lighting similar to 978 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520 maybe the Sorly Bridge. Uh and then as 979 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,240 well as some decorative uh fencing uh 980 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,960 pigmented concrete. Uh this really is 981 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960 you can see down underneath uh the 982 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200 overpass where you can see uh the way 983 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,280 that it will delineate between sidewalks 984 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,599 and where uh you're not intended to walk 985 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,280 and what some of those form liners look 986 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440 like. So a lot of this prairie grass 987 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,119 theme all the way throughout the entire 988 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,920 project. Um but you can see from all of 989 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,599 these different angles, it's going to be 990 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,680 a really nice looking project for town 991 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480 as well. So, uh, these are just kind of 992 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,079 those last angles showing what it'll 993 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:55,280 look like, especially with those 994 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,280 pedestrian facilities as well, cutting 995 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,599 through. So, uh, a massive improvement 996 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:03,200 to the area. So, this video is just to 997 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,880 really show you how that intersection 998 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,280 will function. So, how vehicular traffic 999 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,640 will move through as well as what 1000 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,560 pedestrians will be seeing. So, if 1001 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,480 you're coming off of the interstate and 1002 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,720 heading to campus, for example, uh 1003 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,400 you're going to come east on demurs and 1004 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,599 then you're going to take a right at 1005 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,359 that intersection, come around on the 1006 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:21,200 jug handle and then actually go under. 1007 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,119 So, uh this is really just to show you 1008 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,200 all how that intersection and the other 1009 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,440 one will be functioning once people are 1010 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,319 actually moving through the area. 1011 00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,400 So, construction phasing, we've broken 1012 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,200 this down into five primary phases uh 1013 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,119 really to make it as easy and simple as 1014 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,280 possible and really explain to you uh 1015 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,960 all the work that goes into this project 1016 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,440 once it starts getting underway. So, uh 1017 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520 that first phase actually is going to be 1018 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,359 starting here in the next month or so. 1019 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,440 Uh this is really starting to set up 1020 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,440 everything for the shoefly. This is 1021 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,520 where we move that railroad over to the 1022 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,160 right so that way railroad access can be 1023 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,680 maintained all the way throughout the 1024 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,920 duration of the project. as well as this 1025 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,680 demurs bypass so that way you can 1026 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,760 continue having traffic move through. So 1027 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,920 you can see on the image on the right uh 1028 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,079 where that demurs uh bypass comes around 1029 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,720 and what that shoefly looks like. So uh 1030 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,880 that's these two first phases really 1031 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,599 moving into uh about middle of summer uh 1032 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,599 hopefully having that wrapped up by July 1033 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,319 4th at the latest kind of thing. Phase 1034 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:22,800 two moves into uh where we start doing a 1035 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880 lot of digging. So this is uh the bulk 1036 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,960 of most of the phasing. You can see here 1037 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,400 uh this is where we start doing a lot of 1038 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,240 earth work in this middle. Uh we start 1039 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,240 building out the actual bridges for 1040 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,040 demurs and the railroad uh and do a lot 1041 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,359 of water mane and storm sewer work on 1042 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:40,160 that as well. Uh from there uh we go 1043 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,000 into phase three where we remove that 1044 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,480 shoefly and that bypass uh and then this 1045 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,240 is where we move into the actual usage 1046 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,079 of that bridge and that rail line. So 1047 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,480 you can see that demurs traffic uh both 1048 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,559 on the rail and vehicular and pedestrian 1049 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,440 traffic is moving at all times. So, uh, 1050 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,680 from there we start to work on that, uh, 1051 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,240 42nd Street jug handle and that back 1052 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,480 road, uh, backage road construction. And 1053 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,559 so, uh, this is where a lot of the work 1054 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,319 is going through to make sure that 1055 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,280 we're, uh, setting up for 42nd to be 1056 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,920 opened back up. And then from there, uh, 1057 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,839 phase five, where we're wrapping up, is 1058 00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:15,920 you can see these two, uh, brown areas 1059 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,000 closer to the interstate and closer 1060 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,079 almost to the east side of the, uh, 1061 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,520 project area. That's where we start 1062 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,440 working on demurs itself being 1063 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,680 reconstructed in those areas as well. 1064 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,839 And from there then we get to work on 1065 00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:30,240 all the fun stuff of the lighting uh 1066 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,319 striping site restoration project 1067 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:35,119 closeout. So uh intended to be uh near 1068 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,559 the end of next year. 1069 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,079 One of the big questions probably is 1070 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,920 what do the detours look like on this? 1071 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,760 Uh so what you'll see on the left side 1072 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,720 of the screen is phases 1B and two since 1073 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,559 phase 1 A doesn't really have any 1074 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,079 disruption since it's starting to lay 1075 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,960 the groundwork but phases 1B and two uh 1076 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,880 will still have access for that 1077 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,400 southbound on 42nd uh but not going 1078 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,800 northbound. So basically what it will 1079 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,280 have is access for demurs as well as 1080 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,400 42nd going southbound. Uh from there 1081 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,480 phases three and four is where we move 1082 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,440 into uh just having demurs. So we do 1083 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,319 have a short closure of 42nd uh because 1084 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:15,760 that's when we're doing the underpass 1085 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,680 there and so the only traffic will be 1086 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,839 able to flow across across the new 1087 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:21,760 bridge. 1088 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,240 Um some important things to note just 1089 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,319 like uh Mr. Cranko already said uh the 1090 00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:27,839 construction bids have been awarded to 1091 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,720 Ames Construction. Uh this is one of the 1092 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,720 foremost experts in this region when it 1093 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,880 comes to grade separation. So, we put 1094 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,680 down two examples uh of major projects 1095 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,119 that they've done in this Red River 1096 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,119 Valley area down in Morehead. So, these 1097 00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,359 are huge grade separation projects, but 1098 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,040 I think it's important to note that 1099 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,960 because these two are maybe Minnesota 1100 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,880 based, they do have really good working 1101 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,440 experience working with the DOT. Uh the 1102 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,680 most recent was uh that big project in 1103 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,839 Bismar. Anybody who's visited uh the 1104 00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:57,839 brand new interchange, Ames Construction 1105 00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,680 was the ones who worked on that. So, 1106 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,119 very experienced when it comes to 1107 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,640 working with the DOT and know how to 1108 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640 work on that. 1109 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,319 Uh, another piece that we wanted to 1110 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:08,079 touch on was just the Ray Richards golf 1111 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,319 course redesign. This was a really 1112 00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:11,839 important piece of the project and 1113 00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,440 something that we thought was important 1114 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,319 to bring to you all and share. Uh, so 1115 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,720 here you'll see some existing data based 1116 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,240 on uh, the PAR and the total yardage uh, 1117 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,920 and then what the new holes look like. 1118 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,760 So you can see that it goes from a 36 1119 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,640 down to a 33 and actually uh, adds a 1120 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,960 little bit of yardage. So uh, really or 1121 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,200 brings it down by eight. Thank you, sir. 1122 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,240 Uh brings it down by 800 uh yards uh 1123 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,160 with the new holes, but uh you'll see 1124 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,640 that these does have some uh remaining 1125 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,559 existing holes as well as some 1126 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,160 reconfigured holes. And you'll see the 1127 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,400 top tracer driving range and that green 1128 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,640 view development uh that I know are 1129 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,720 still being worked on, but uh making 1130 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,240 sure that that was at least accounted 1131 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,079 for on our project with things like that 1132 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,319 threequarter access. 1133 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,559 Um we are working on holding a public 1134 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,880 information meeting. So, uh, this is to 1135 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,559 share similar information to what you're 1136 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,960 seeing. Um, we are working on a date and 1137 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,960 time on that one, but I don't have that 1138 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,520 decided just yet. Uh, but it'll be very 1139 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,960 similar to what you're seeing today with 1140 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,040 just a little bit more information, a 1141 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,880 little bit deeper dive on, uh, some of 1142 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,200 those reroutes, things like that. And 1143 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,400 from there, I'm going to hand it off to 1144 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,839 Mr. Cranco. 1145 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:22,480 >> Right. Thank you, Mr. Weber. Um, sure, a 1146 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,280 lot of council members are looking at 1147 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,119 what is going to be the bottom line for 1148 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,119 the city when it comes to this project. 1149 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,280 Um, initially you may recall we ended up 1150 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,559 having the memorandum of understanding 1151 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,359 with the DOT discussing funding 1152 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,880 limitations that the city has towards 1153 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,800 this project and that was incorporated 1154 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,079 as part of the cost participation 1155 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,240 maintenance agreement which capped the 1156 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,119 city share at that 21.6 million uh which 1157 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,119 is a fairly unusual agreement. Typically 1158 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,839 it's a city has a fixed percentage share 1159 00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:52,000 until federal funds are expended and 1160 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,160 then the city would have to cover for 1161 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,440 100% of any overages. This was a an 1162 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,599 unusual and very fortunate for us with 1163 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,240 the uh the DOT where they agreed to cap 1164 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,119 the city share on it. Now, as part of 1165 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,200 that, if there were cost savings that 1166 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,880 were associated with that, we were not 1167 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,480 necessarily 1168 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,359 um guaranteed to see any of those 1169 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,920 savings. So, very much so appreciate 1170 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,960 that the DOT uh did elect to share the 1171 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,480 uh the cost savings that came in with 1172 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,800 that one. So right now our anticipated 1173 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,079 city cost share is about 17.9 million 1174 00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,160 and that's being broken down between 1175 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,800 clean water SRF loans, drinking water 1176 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440 SRF loans as well as funding out of our 1177 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,640 street and infrastructure fund 4815. 1178 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,200 Um overall we're looking at a potential 1179 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,680 local cost savings of about 3.7 million 1180 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,800 compared to what we were originally 1181 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,359 looking at. And you can see the uh the 1182 00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,359 total project cost right now is looking 1183 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:50,720 at about roughly uh $81 million with the 1184 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:55,119 breakdown as you can see it below. Um 1185 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,599 and with that um once again would like 1186 00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,839 to extend uh some appreciation and 1187 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:01,839 thanks to the DOT folks who have been 1188 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,119 working on this as well as folks from 1189 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,680 Bolton and Mink um as well as our other 1190 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,960 partners who have been working on the 1191 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,280 development of this project. Uh we do 1192 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,359 have Wayne and Michael Johnson on the 1193 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:15,200 phone in case you have any questions for 1194 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,839 the DOT. And with that uh we can open 1195 00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:19,520 things up for any questions you may 1196 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,599 have. 1197 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:22,880 >> We'll start won't start with a question, 1198 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,240 just a comment. I just I think it's 1199 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:25,920 phenomenal the amount of people that 1200 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,520 came together to make this happen. This 1201 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,760 was talked about for 30 or 40 years and 1202 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,280 the fact it's come going to come to 1203 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,119 fruition this summer is pretty amazing. 1204 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,040 Um the fact that we got BNSF to come to 1205 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,160 the table for at least a little bit of 1206 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,440 money, that's great. So thank you. We 1207 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,760 appreciate that, BNSF. Uh the state, the 1208 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,200 federal government, um you know, 1209 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,520 obviously locally our our taxpayers are 1210 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,960 paying for a large portion of it, too. 1211 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,040 But, um it's a great project and it's 1212 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,559 going to be a great entrance to our city 1213 00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:51,680 for the UND campus. Um and just overall, 1214 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,599 as you enter Grand Forks now, I think 1215 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:54,960 Demurs is going to be the place to go, 1216 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,960 which aligns perfectly with what we've 1217 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,599 got going on 42nd Street. So, uh just 1218 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,200 kudos to everyone that was involved to 1219 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,480 make this happen. It's it's pretty 1220 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,079 exciting that we're going to get to see 1221 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,000 this. And you're is that a guarantee the 1222 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,200 end of next year we're going to be uh 1223 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,880 fully operational and running up or is 1224 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,319 that the the hope end of 27? 1225 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,079 >> I believe right now the hope on that is 1226 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,400 to have everything complete and 1227 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,520 operational by the end of 2027. 1228 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,720 >> That's the hope at least at this point 1229 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:22,880 in time. We'll see uh we'll see how 1230 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,280 construction goes and what uh what we 1231 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,960 happen to find and how the weather get 1232 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,400 holds out for us during construction. 1233 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,240 >> I'm sure I won't hear about it on CAX if 1234 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,319 it's uh if it's not ahead of schedule. 1235 00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:35,760 So great. Um, any uh questions for the 1236 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,480 team? I know Ken's got some. Yeah, Mr. 1237 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:38,960 Bean, please. 1238 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,480 >> So, just question on Ray Richards. When 1239 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,480 does that go down? Is it down for the 1240 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,720 whole two years or is it uh what's the 1241 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,800 timing of that? 1242 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,359 >> No way. 1243 00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,119 >> Okay. Uh, I believe that is going to be 1244 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,480 closed for the duration of those two 1245 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,880 years that we're our project is going to 1246 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,720 be under construction as well. And a lot 1247 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,319 of that just has to do with the timing 1248 00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,040 of our project, the timing for UND with 1249 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,280 their redevelopment as well. Um, I think 1250 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,799 there's still some details being worked 1251 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,880 out on that, but I believe that's the 1252 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,109 game plan at this point in time. 1253 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,319 » Uh, Mr. Wagel, please. 1254 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:12,799 >> Um, Mr. Bean, Mr. Larson was shaking his 1255 00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:14,160 head back there when they said the full 1256 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,440 two years, just so you're aware. Um, 1257 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,280 I think for me, the biggest thing that I 1258 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,680 look at is public safety. And I think 1259 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,079 this is going to be tremendous for our 1260 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,240 law enforcement, our firefighters, um, 1261 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,480 being able to access uh, specifically 1262 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,480 Ward One where I live. um when there is 1263 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,520 trains coming, it often see fire trucks 1264 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,040 trying to race that train to either get 1265 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,599 to 55th or 42nd um so that they can 1266 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,000 access that north end. And so this is 1267 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,960 something that uh I appreciate um city 1268 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,720 staff and everybody else putting so much 1269 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,119 time and effort into. 1270 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:48,880 >> Thank you. I did see on one side 42nd 1271 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,000 Street will be closed for a little 1272 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,760 while, but it's already closed for a 1273 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,119 little while now anytime there's a train 1274 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,599 there. So nothing new. 1275 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,359 >> Any further comments, Miss Lky? 1276 00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:58,960 >> Just a quick question. And why are we 1277 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,359 taking out a drinking water SRF loan? 1278 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,200 >> Uh, as part of the project, um, as as 1279 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,880 part of the project, in order to 1280 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,359 construct the bridge, we write, we have, 1281 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:14,400 uh, two 30-inch raw water lines that, 1282 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,240 uh, bring water from the, uh, the Red 1283 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,000 River and the Red Lake River to our 1284 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400 water treatment facility, as well as a 1285 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,880 large reverse osmosis residual line as 1286 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,960 well. Um, right now where those are 1287 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,599 located, they're located right where the 1288 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:28,799 bridge would be constructed. So, we need 1289 00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:30,720 to get those lines out of the way as 1290 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,960 well as a I believe it's a 20-in uh 1291 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,190 treated water line. 1292 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,319 » All right. Well, thank you for the 1293 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:41,599 presentation. We'll look forward to 1294 00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:45,750 hearing more soon. 1295 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,839 » 2.4 is maximizing the use of North 1296 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:55,349 Dakota's natural gas resource report. 1297 00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,040 Mayor Bjensky and members of the city 1298 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,200 council. I'm uh blessed we have Brian 1299 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,119 Kulk here tonight. He's the chief 1300 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,440 research officer right currently for the 1301 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,799 EERC. Um soon to be the uh president of 1302 00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:10,559 Bismar State College. And so um he has 1303 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,559 helped lead this. I also want to give a 1304 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,640 lot of credit to the chamber and Barry 1305 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,280 Wilfort and the EDC and and Keith Lund. 1306 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,599 Um we've teamed up with the city and our 1307 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,640 two partners. uh Brian Caulk in the ERC 1308 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,880 along with uh the North Dakota Pipeline 1309 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,960 Authority and and Justin Kringstead. We 1310 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,559 work together on this report not only 1311 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,799 for Grand Forks for the region and 1312 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,559 Brian's here to give a give us an 1313 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,040 overview and natur um we do a lot of the 1314 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,359 things on on development as you know 1315 00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,599 streets all the water related utilities 1316 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,720 but without natural gas um it's hard for 1317 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,079 it's it would be hard for this community 1318 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:45,839 to grow whether it's for residential, 1319 00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:49,200 commercial or industrial. So, um, he's 1320 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,960 going to give us kind of a status update 1321 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,160 on that and then I'm going to ask Keith 1322 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,240 and Barry if they have any, um, 1323 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,160 follow-ups as part of the team. So, with 1324 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,319 that, thank you for being here, Brian. 1325 00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:00,880 >> Thanks for the invite, 1326 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,319 >> Mr. C, please. 1327 00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:03,760 >> Yeah. Well, thank you, mayor, and 1328 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,200 members of the council. I'm excited to 1329 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,119 be here today. Uh, mayor, you know, we 1330 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:08,720 presented this to you here a while back. 1331 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,160 Nothing has changed from that other than 1332 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,359 I just want to get the whole group, and 1333 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:14,480 if there's any questions, feel free to blurt them out, but it shouldn't take 1334 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,680 too long. I'll move through pretty 1335 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,359 quick. You know, the background, we do a 1336 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:18,720 lot of work with natural gas as it 1337 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,359 relates to oil production. We being ERC 1338 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,280 and I first talked with Keith and Todd 1339 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,040 and the team here, Barry, about how we 1340 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,319 could maybe potentially have more of 1341 00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:27,680 that coming to the Grand Forks region. 1342 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,920 We were able to take some existing work, 1343 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,599 add a little bit on with no additional 1344 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,599 cost to the Grand Forks region to do 1345 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:34,799 some of this work. So, that's kind of 1346 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,079 the backdrop how we did it and how it 1347 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,640 all got funded. Just some definitions. 1348 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,319 In the natural gas production world, 1349 00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:41,280 there's lots of different de 1350 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,720 definitions. You get your producers, 1351 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,720 your transporters. The way I look at it 1352 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,559 is the person that owns the pipeline is 1353 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,079 kind of like the truck driver. You know, 1354 00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:49,599 they they own it, they can do what they 1355 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,200 do, but the stuff falling through the 1356 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,880 gas, that's somebody belongs to somebody 1357 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,319 else. Just because you own the pipeline 1358 00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:55,760 doesn't mean you have access to what's 1359 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,440 moving down the pipeline. There's all 1360 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,720 kinds of arrangements on it. So, it's not as straightforward as you one 1361 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,640 might think in the world of moving gas 1362 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,400 around. Uh, everybody's got their 1363 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,920 fingers in the cookie jar on how to 1364 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:06,960 regulate it, whether it's their North 1365 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,960 Dakota PSC, the DMR, you've got federal 1366 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,319 of the pipeline authority. So when you 1367 01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,079 deal about pipelines, a lot of people 1368 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,599 have a say in how they all work. And 1369 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:16,880 sometimes it's state jurisdiction, 1370 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,720 sometimes it's federal jurisdiction. A 1371 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,240 lot of the gas coming into Grand Forks 1372 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,079 comes in from the Minnesota side. So 1373 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,760 that brings in different areas. But it's 1374 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,760 uh once again, I'm trying to set up the 1375 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,359 complexity, but also it's something we 1376 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:28,799 need to take care of in North Dakota to 1377 01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:30,720 make sure we use all of our gas so we 1378 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,400 can keep the oil production up. This 1379 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,000 slider here kind of shows a Justin 1380 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000 Kingstead. Uh Todd brought that up. 1381 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,599 Justin's been mapping this stuff for a 1382 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,520 long time and you can see his estimates 1383 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,119 in the past. He's showing the numbers 1384 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,799 pretty reliable what we think is going 1385 01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,880 to be in gas production and he shows a 1386 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,960 best a base case and and a low case for 1387 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,559 what what's coming. So there's going to 1388 01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,880 be plenty of gas in North Dakota that we 1389 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,720 have to find a home for. Now how we can 1390 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,559 get it to different parts of the state I 1391 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:55,920 think is a challenge we're going to work 1392 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,319 through here. But some real numbers of 1393 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:00,000 natural gas production in the state are 1394 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,319 out there. Um a lot of gas processing 1395 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:04,079 plants are being built in the state. I 1396 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:05,839 was in a PSC a few years ago and at that 1397 01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,280 time there was one in the state. You can 1398 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,559 look at the number now. There's a whole 1399 01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,079 bunch of them. And so you got to take 1400 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,680 the gas and do something with it. Break 1401 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,680 it apart into when you have natural gas, 1402 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,359 you got your ethane, your propane, your 1403 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,520 butane, all different products. But you 1404 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,720 have to get one of these things to break 1405 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,160 them apart before you can move them down 1406 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,640 to find an audience or a home for them. 1407 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,480 This is an overview of the big pipelines 1408 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,079 that run through the state. And you can 1409 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,680 see up in, you know, great Grand Forks 1410 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:28,960 where we're at, there's not a lot of big 1411 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,440 lines that are headed up this way. And 1412 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,440 there's a a line that's being built from 1413 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,040 across the western part of the state in 1414 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,119 the lower part of the state that I think 1415 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:38,720 uh Keith has been I would say very 1416 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,400 diligent in telling me ways that we 1417 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,079 should get it up here. And I appreciate 1418 01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,000 that tenacity. But I think that's the 1419 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,520 driver is you look at there's a natural 1420 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,520 area that you know we'd like to get most 1421 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,839 of the gas traditionally is flowing from 1422 01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,920 northwest to southeast and that's 1423 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,359 because the markets have been in 1424 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:56,000 Chicago. Frankly the the gas contracts 1425 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,440 that were built back in the day were 1426 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,760 moving gas from Canada to Chicago. Then 1427 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,200 along the way, North Dakota started 1428 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,319 producing more, but that's how these 1429 01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:04,480 lines got set up that way. So, if we can 1430 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,240 somehow get some need and demand up in 1431 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,760 this part of the woods, that's where you 1432 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,960 can divert more of the gas. Um, gas 1433 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,480 storage is also something that we're 1434 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,400 looking at at the EERC, salt cavern 1435 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,240 storage. So, you've got different areas 1436 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,760 of production. One of the challenges 1437 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,880 when you produce it, you got to do 1438 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,160 something with it. We were flaring gas 1439 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,160 in the state for years. We're down to 1440 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,680 almost zero on that, but you got to be 1441 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,440 able to use it or store it. And right 1442 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,720 now there's only one of those storage 1443 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,000 fields, but the western part of the 1444 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,920 state shows some promise. So if we could 1445 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,440 store it certain times of the year, then 1446 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,799 you could move it and kind of levelize 1447 01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,720 your demand. So it's more of the 1448 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,240 holistic what we're thinking about for 1449 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,400 the state. Another number here showing 1450 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,319 not only is production demand is 1451 01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:41,680 increasing throughout the state. We 1452 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,680 didn't see much gas used for power 1453 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,599 generation, but now base electric and 1454 01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,839 other companies are using gas, natural 1455 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:50,160 gas for base load plants, for peaking 1456 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,240 plants. And so as we need more power in 1457 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,480 the state, gas has become an option that 1458 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,559 so far really hasn't replaced anything. 1459 01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,240 It's just more of the addition. We're 1460 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,160 needing more power, so you use gas to to 1461 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,799 make electricity out of it. U the study 1462 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,720 that we drilled down a little bit deeper 1463 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,559 on was dealing with what Keith helped us 1464 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,240 get some numbers put together of the 1465 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,720 population in Grand Forks. As I referred 1466 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,640 to earlier, the the main line right now 1467 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,960 is a line coming out of uh Minnesota. 1468 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,400 Gas comes down out of Canada. A few 1469 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,599 years ago, we had a rupture in that 1470 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:19,520 line. It's a pretty bad deal. price of 1471 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,160 gas spiked. Electric XL Energy had to 1472 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,599 raise some of their costs, got past the 1473 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,400 to consumers. So, if we can get more 1474 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,000 ways to get gas into the region, it's 1475 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,280 good for everybody. It's a win across 1476 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,240 the board. The the bottom number to kind 1477 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,000 of put things in perspective, you I 1478 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,359 talked about all the gas that's being 1479 01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:37,920 produced, but roughly, you know, 1.6% of 1480 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,839 the gas is being used in Grand Forks, so 1481 01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:42,079 it's not a lot of it's being used, but 1482 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:43,440 we need to find a home for all of it, 1483 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,680 but just trying to show what we could do 1484 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,599 in in this region and other parts of the 1485 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,000 state. Um, this is kind of the current 1486 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,000 gas usage that's happening in the state 1487 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,280 to kind of show you where it's being 1488 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,160 used. And this next slide is a is uh Oh, 1489 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,799 I just went back to the Did I skip one 1490 01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,440 here? That's our current one. And then 1491 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,000 there's some other areas that uh things 1492 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,599 that could switch to more natural gas. 1493 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:06,880 Maybe Keith, I'll defer to you if 1494 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,160 there's more questions about some of 1495 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,680 these companies, but these are companies 1496 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,720 that could be adding more gas usage to 1497 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,160 the region, which would basically double 1498 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,160 what you're using up here now. So that 1499 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,839 would then become more enticing to build 1500 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:20,400 some pipelines and come up this way. And 1501 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,359 then the uh I think I just talked about 1502 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:25,680 that a little duplication in here. This 1503 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400 is showing that the next slide will give 1504 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,000 out some detailed numbers. But if we 1505 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,760 could bring in all kinds of you know 1506 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,720 transition some traditional coal users 1507 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,720 frankly to gas or bring in some other 1508 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,640 demand you could bring that demand up 1509 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,559 pretty high. But what that would mean is 1510 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:41,839 you know Crystal Sugar is a great 1511 01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,280 operation. They've been using coal for a 1512 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,480 long time. I don't think they're in any 1513 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,960 hurry to to switch over, but who knows? 1514 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,240 What I'm getting at is there's some 1515 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,680 other things that if you need more 1516 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,039 electricity up here, if you look at 1517 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:52,640 other areas, there could be some 1518 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,160 significant gas that would come up here 1519 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,240 that would entice I think some pipeline 1520 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,039 companies. And I think to the I'm just 1521 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,039 going to get right to the last slide. I 1522 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:02,400 think the most important thing to think 1523 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,720 about is that I think my viewpoint is if somebody's willing to sign a gas 1524 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,240 contract, somebody's going to deliver a 1525 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,920 pipeline up here because they'll get a 1526 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,599 long-term commitment to build it and 1527 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:13,200 then you get your 10-year period, if you 1528 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,799 will. But there's a lot of other things 1529 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,960 that I think as a state and as a region 1530 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,480 we can do to educate people about what 1531 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,640 Grand Forks could bring to the equation 1532 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,960 of using more gas in the state. And as 1533 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,240 the mayor brought up in our previous 1534 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,599 meeting, I mean, getting the coalition 1535 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,000 in Grand Forks to educate people about 1536 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,319 what is potentially opportunity in Grand 1537 01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:32,559 Forks because the natural gas production 1538 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:34,160 world, they think about gas moving 1539 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,760 northwest to southeast because that's 1540 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,440 where your big markets are at. So, it 1541 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,799 takes some switching of people's 1542 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:40,319 viewpoints that, hey, wait, maybe we 1543 01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:41,599 could deliver some to different parts of 1544 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,839 the state. So, uh, I think that's 1545 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:45,359 probably my prepared remarks just to 1546 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:46,640 show you that there's plenty of gas out 1547 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,559 there. I think there's some opportunity 1548 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,880 and happy to answer any questions and if 1549 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,559 not let Todd follow through with the 1550 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,559 rest of the crowd. So happy to answer 1551 01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:55,440 any questions. 1552 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,640 >> Sounds good. Any questions? President 1553 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:57,920 Sandy, please. 1554 01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,680 >> Mr. Call, thank you. Uh, thanks for 1555 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,000 being here. Uh, interesting study. Um, 1556 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,799 so who do we buy our me personally? Who 1557 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:06,880 do I buy my natural gas from to heat my 1558 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,440 house? 1559 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,960 >> Chances are you buy it from Excel 1560 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:09,599 Energy, 1561 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,599 >> right? And so do you know what 1562 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,760 percentage of market share does Excel 1563 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,559 have in well I mean they have 100% in 1564 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,000 Grand Forks. What do they have across 1565 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,680 the state? 1566 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,839 >> Yeah, great question. Excel Energy is 1567 01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:24,160 roughly North Dakota is roughly 4% of 1568 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,839 Excel Energy's business and that's 1569 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,079 electricity and gas. So I can't give you 1570 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,720 the exact number for gas, but Excel is 1571 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,480 actually a pretty small player in the 1572 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,160 gas world because the western part of 1573 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,160 the state MDU Resources is a big gas 1574 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,839 player. Basin Electric is a big gas 1575 01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:40,079 player. Um, a lot of the different 1576 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,559 companies are there's just a lot. Excel 1577 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:44,079 is a small player, I guess, would be my 1578 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:45,599 answer in the state. They're a huge 1579 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:46,640 player in Grand Forks. 1580 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,119 >> Sure. We need to get other players 1581 01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:50,799 interested in serving our community. 1582 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:51,839 Thank you, man. 1583 01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:53,520 >> If I can just be so bold as to throw one 1584 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,839 more thing. Excel also delivers gas to 1585 01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,400 Fargo and so I think it's not just Grand 1586 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,559 Forks. The the Viking line that comes 1587 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,880 down and I showed it that comes down and 1588 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,640 drops off in Grand Forks, that also goes 1589 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,200 to Fargo. So if XL would be willing to 1590 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,200 take more gas commitment in Fargo and 1591 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,599 Grand Forks, there's probably a pathway 1592 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:12,400 that might work. 1593 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:12,720 >> Sure. 1594 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,319 >> Thank you, sir. 1595 01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:17,200 >> XL won't like that, but it's 1596 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,480 >> Any other questions? 1597 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,280 >> I have a question. 1598 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,880 >> Yeah, please. Mr. Van, 1599 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,760 >> a few years ago, I know we had a gas pro 1600 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,640 a problem with the gas transmission line 1601 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,839 and we just about ran out of 1602 01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:31,520 >> gas here in town. So, we have no 1603 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,400 redundancy. Is there does that fit into 1604 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,160 the equation? somehow that we get 1605 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,920 another line so we have redundancy. 1606 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,559 >> I see Todd making a point. I think 1607 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,319 >> yes is the answer. I think it's how you 1608 01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,160 build that redundancy and some of it 1609 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,680 people have backup heating but I think 1610 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,119 I'll defer if there's a better person 1611 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:49,520 than that. 1612 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,319 >> I I think there is, you know, um Brian 1613 01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:54,319 talked about that, you know, bad winter 1614 01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:57,520 day where um everything worked out and 1615 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,760 but it was a middle of winter. It was 1616 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,880 really cold out. Um there was a a mishap 1617 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,680 in Canada and we were very very close to 1618 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,079 being uh out of natural gas in this area 1619 01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:09,520 and there were a lot of people that um 1620 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,280 have a lot of concerns with XL Energy 1621 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,880 with not a lot of answers but everything 1622 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,599 worked out. Um so I think redundancy is 1623 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,239 a big big deal for us too along with 1624 01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,279 just overall growth and expansion um on 1625 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,480 that new line that um WBI is you know 1626 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:27,359 looking to build from as as Brian said 1627 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,759 from that northwest to the to the 1628 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,560 southeast. And maybe with that, Keith, 1629 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,880 you got some really great words on maybe 1630 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,520 on what's what's next from here on, you 1631 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,199 know, where do we take this information 1632 01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,640 and really advocate um for Grand Forks 1633 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,719 in the region and and Keith's been doing 1634 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,400 a lot of the, you know, the gritty work 1635 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,520 and um I think he has the best elevator 1636 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,159 pitch on on where do we go from here. 1637 01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,759 >> Okay, we're on. Um thank you Todd, Mayor 1638 01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:58,000 Richinsky, members of the uh members of 1639 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,480 the city council. Um been a pleasure. I 1640 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:02,400 want to first recognize the ERC. Uh 1641 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,480 Brian just briefly mentioned that no 1642 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,960 cost to the city. The ERC is North 1643 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,199 Dakota's energy research center. And so 1644 01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:10,799 I guess their thought process in terms 1645 01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:12,000 of doing this work on behalf of the 1646 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,920 Grand Forks region is this is on behalf 1647 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,080 of the state of North Dakota. And uh 1648 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,440 really when you take a look at all the 1649 01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:19,920 areas that additional natural gas uh is 1650 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,520 going to enhance throughout the state of 1651 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,279 North Dakota with existing pipelines and 1652 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,799 new pipelines, especially those that are 1653 01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:27,359 coming across I94, um northeast North 1654 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,040 Dakota is the one area that is not 1655 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,719 enhanced without some additional work. 1656 01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,040 So um I really appreciate Brian and the 1657 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,440 team at the ERC for doing the work. Um, 1658 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:36,799 you know, right now, just as a 1659 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,359 background, the, uh, WBI is developing 1660 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:40,560 the pipeline. They haven't made their 1661 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,480 final FIRK filing, which is the national 1662 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,719 filing that they have to do. Uh, but 1663 01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:46,319 they're out there collecting interest. 1664 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,000 The state of North Dakota approved a 1665 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,960 $500 million, $50 million year gap 1666 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,880 purchased in order to move that project 1667 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,120 along. Uh, in next short order, we'll 1668 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,120 have an understanding of what amount of 1669 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,800 that is needed really to support the 1670 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,400 demand that they are able to get through 1671 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,880 those open season and firm commitments. 1672 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,480 Our hope is that there will be some of 1673 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,080 that resource left available to have a 1674 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,280 conversation with the state about 1675 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,800 potentially diverting some of that to a 1676 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,640 northern route. Uh no guarantees in 1677 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:11,920 life, but that's at least a thought 1678 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,920 process. Now, you may be referring to 1679 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,920 this Todd in terms of inviting me up to 1680 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,920 say some comments. And I take a look in 1681 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,600 terms of a positioning of a region in 1682 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,440 terms of natural gas. You know, at the 1683 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,840 very top of the that sort of ladder is 1684 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,600 there's gas here and now plug in and 1685 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,960 just, you know, go ahead and be 1686 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,760 successful. The second sort of layer of 1687 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,320 that is natural gas is coming. So 1688 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,640 business really uh organize and be ready 1689 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,800 when it does come. The third level of 1690 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,199 that is um we have uh pipeline companies 1691 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,280 that are willing to as long as there's 1692 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,800 demand and we have to convince them or 1693 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,320 if somebody wants to do a project they 1694 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,840 introduce them to pipeline companies and 1695 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,280 they work out the deal and it takes two 1696 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,840 or three years in order to develop it. 1697 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,840 Um and the last one is we don't have any 1698 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,360 gas available. So thank goodness we're 1699 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,360 not in that position. We have a we have 1700 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,199 a significant natural gas in our service 1701 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,800 territory. We would like it closer to 1702 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,320 Grand Forks and be able to demonstrate 1703 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,400 to industry that that is coming. So 1704 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,480 that's our goal. U maybe the last thing 1705 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,080 I'll say and Mr. Feland, if there's 1706 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,280 something that I missed you wanted me to 1707 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,360 say, please let me know. Um we visited 1708 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,040 with Justin Cringstead who is a North 1709 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,960 Dakota Pipeline Authority director over 1710 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,040 many many years. Uh and he's talked 1711 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,920 about for years, for that long time, uh 1712 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,000 the desire and the goal of finding a 1713 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,440 home for natural gas, which is really 1714 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,920 about the uh the expansion out of the 1715 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,800 Bach. 1716 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,320 um there's restrictions on flaring. If 1717 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,840 they don't find a home for natural gas, 1718 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,080 oil production decreases, and that's a 1719 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,080 big part of the state's wealth. He said 1720 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,679 number one priority is finding a home 1721 01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:36,080 for natural gas, but number two is to 1722 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,320 use North Dakota natural gas to help 1723 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,640 grow North Dakota's economy. So, we have 1724 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,400 an ally as long as there's a business 1725 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,800 case to be made in Grand Forks. Happy to 1726 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,719 answer questions beyond that. 1727 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,159 >> All right. Thank you. Mr. Oski, you got 1728 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,120 a question, please. 1729 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,760 >> Yeah. Um first off, I support the 1730 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,040 pipeline. So that's really exciting 1731 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,920 news. I I do have some some questions 1732 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,640 though. Do you think that if the state 1733 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,840 of North Dakota invests or like even the 1734 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,679 city of Grand Forks, anybody invests in 1735 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:07,600 this giant pipeline, obviously it's 1736 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,520 going to cost us a lot of money. Would 1737 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,120 you see then that um homes that do use 1738 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,440 natural gas that their energy rates 1739 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,159 would go up or would we get someone else 1740 01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:21,679 to compete against XL then? And this is 1741 01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:24,880 just kind of for home ownership. I mean, 1742 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,320 I would I would hate to, you know, 1743 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,120 invest so heavily and then it just gets 1744 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,440 pushed off to the homeowner who 1745 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,080 sometimes struggles to pay some of 1746 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,640 their, you know, heat bills in the 1747 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,199 wintertime. And so I am concerned about 1748 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:43,840 that. 1749 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,600 >> I would say that the comments I'm about 1750 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,040 to make do not reflect the view of the 1751 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,159 ERC. 1752 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,640 >> Go ahead. I seriously I mean that but my 1753 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,920 time was on the public service 1754 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,280 commission is where I would answer do 1755 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,520 the best answer this question. XL is a 1756 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,080 regulated utility and so you can't just 1757 01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,920 have somebody come in and use their 1758 01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:01,280 space but they can always switch to 1759 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,440 propane or do other things but yeah 1760 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:04,960 there's certainly you could get other 1761 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,880 people to come in and do other things 1762 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,400 but it's going to come back to the cost 1763 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,040 to compete. I I think I would go back to 1764 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,199 that you just present options like Keith 1765 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:16,080 said to uh hey we we could use some and 1766 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,840 whether who delivers it in Grand Forks 1767 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,440 area you just get it the people aren't 1768 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:21,360 thinking about the usages up here and 1769 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,360 demand is there because if we don't get 1770 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,920 the gas used oil production will stop 1771 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,840 because the older a well becomes the 1772 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,840 more gas comes out of it and so they 1773 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,520 eventually you got to find a home for it 1774 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,400 but I guess I wouldn't as a foreign PSC 1775 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,760 guy I wouldn't bank too much about a lot 1776 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,120 of competition coming and you want to 1777 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,199 get somebody to use the of what you can 1778 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:40,960 and I think the biggest thing on natural 1779 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,520 gas is if you do the electricity from 1780 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,840 gas or coal or wind or whatever those 1781 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,760 things tie into your rates and all that 1782 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,760 gets rolled up in there. 1783 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,920 >> Okay. So before they kind of decide more 1784 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,719 on the pipeline then do these companies 1785 01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:57,920 have to commit to building in Grand 1786 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,400 Forks? Is that kind of the direction? 1787 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,000 What I know from pipelines back to where 1788 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,840 I started the conversation where 1789 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,600 traditionally gas flowed northwest to 1790 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,000 southeast, you had companies in Chicago 1791 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,400 saying, "We need gas." They signed a 1792 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,400 20-year contract with somebody up in 1793 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,560 Canada and they built the pipeline 1794 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,320 because they had a 20-year commitment to 1795 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,239 buy that gas. That's how it all started. 1796 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:21,440 So, you get somebody on the one end 1797 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,600 that'll buy willing to buy the gas for 1798 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,760 some long period of time. Somebody up 1799 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,560 here is willing to to to produce it, and 1800 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,320 they build the pipeline along the way. 1801 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:31,840 That's that first slide about all the 1802 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,000 different layers of of who does what. 1803 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,760 That's the way it all started. So you 1804 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,440 really if you got an anchored tenant in 1805 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:38,960 Grand Forks that said I'm willing to buy 1806 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,440 gas for 10 years, somebody build a 1807 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,440 pipeline. That's my viewpoint. 1808 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,000 >> Mayor Pinsky and Mr. Sowski, I'll just 1809 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,800 add the exercise on I94. I'll call it 1810 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,239 the route. Um the state of North 1811 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,000 Dakota's contribution was up to a half a 1812 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,480 billion, $50 million a year. That was a 1813 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,480 purchase gap. So they're buying gas 1814 01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,640 before the market responds to that, but 1815 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,080 they still went had an open season. 1816 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,280 They're trying to get firm commitments. 1817 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,159 So they're going to have to have 1818 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:03,840 industry come to the table and say, "I 1819 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,600 want this before the pipeline gets 1820 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,600 built." So you have to have some level 1821 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,840 of u of commitment from industry before 1822 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,880 that happens. In the absence of I know 1823 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,080 people don't like the word subsidy when 1824 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,679 it comes to that, but in in the absence 1825 01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:18,159 of that 500 million or $50 million a 1826 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:20,239 year, FK would require you to have the 1827 01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:21,520 demand for the gas that's being 1828 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,480 transported. So um they're adding value 1829 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,080 to it. So hopefully there's time for the 1830 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,000 industry to respond. If that if there 1831 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,440 were to be a line come to Grant Force 1832 01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:30,800 from any direction, there would have to 1833 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,400 be some type of industry commitment, I 1834 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,320 think, to get that project moving. 1835 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,760 >> I mean, I'm 100% on board with this. I I 1836 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,000 will not be supporting any tax 1837 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,400 incentives. So, just to have the 1838 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,040 businesses build within our community, 1839 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,880 but otherwise, I support the pipeline. 1840 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,199 So, thank you. and Mayor Bachinsky, I 1841 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:51,440 think this is maybe a council president 1842 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:52,960 Sandy as part of our legislative 1843 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,800 committee will be an important thing. 1844 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,280 Right now, the pipeline essentially is going to start up in the in the 1845 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,679 Bakan. It's likely going to go past 1846 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:04,159 James Town and their um their kind of 1847 01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,320 their industrial park that you see along 1848 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,880 uh I 94. It's going to end up in Cass 1849 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,440 County um in areas and so the state of 1850 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,440 North Dakota is helping direct this. So, 1851 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,840 we're going to have to be persuasive to 1852 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,480 get um that pipeline to move north to us 1853 01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,000 once it hits Cass County. And that's 1854 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,280 what we're that's what we're trying to 1855 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,920 do here. And so, we're not we have a 1856 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,600 redundant line. We have a line for 1857 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,679 expansion. And we're part of this North 1858 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:35,120 Dakota natural gas uh development. And even though it gets to the east of 1859 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,199 North Dakota, it's we we're trying to 1860 01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:38,880 get it to the northeast also and trying 1861 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,840 to build our own case. 1862 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,040 >> All right. But I think I'll just close 1863 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,239 with, you know, bigger picture. We're at a place now where we're not 1864 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:47,920 constrained. But right now, we have 1865 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,840 tremendous capacity in water. We have a 1866 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,120 great water resource with the Red Lake 1867 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,040 River, the Red River. We got great egg 1868 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,480 production in the area. We got great 1869 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,239 workforce uh pipeline, I'm going to use 1870 01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,400 that word, uh with UND and Northland. 1871 01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,679 We've got all the things that can help 1872 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:01,600 add growth here. Natural gas is the 1873 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,640 thing we're going to butt up against 1874 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,480 first. And it's going to be for energy 1875 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,159 production process, whether heating 1876 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:07,520 process in these different industries. 1877 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,440 And it could also be residential at some 1878 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,080 point. So this is 5, 10, 20 years out, 1879 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,760 but this is us trying to get ahead of it 1880 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,600 rather than being so constrained that it 1881 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,520 stops everything else. So I appreciate 1882 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:18,960 the work. It's not easy doing things 1883 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,480 that are, you know, future and far 1884 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,400 outlook. Um, but it's still important 1885 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,040 work. So appreciate both of your work on 1886 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,960 this and uh let's continue continue the 1887 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,560 conversation, continue plowing forward. 1888 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:29,920 >> Mayor, could I just recognize Barry 1889 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,280 Wilford from the chamber? It's been a 1890 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,040 pleasure to work with Todd and Barry on 1891 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,400 this and Todd could have easily asked 1892 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,640 Barry to come up and and share the same 1893 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,080 information I did. So it's been a real 1894 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,040 team effort. Thank you. 1895 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,640 >> Yep. Thank you. All right. Thanks, 1896 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,679 Jensen. 1897 01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:46,550 >> Good luck to new jobs. 1898 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:54,709 » 2.5 Grand Forks Housing Study Update. 1899 01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:56,239 » I'm going to ask Mark Schill to come up 1900 01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,239 here. Mayor Buchensky, members of city 1901 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,040 council. Again, a big thanks to uh the 1902 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,239 chamber and Barry Wilford and also um uh 1903 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:07,120 Keith London, the EDC. they help pay or 1904 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,719 they did pay for this particular study 1905 01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:10,640 and I think it really leads well into 1906 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,480 what um council president Sandy is 1907 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,440 looking at convening later this month or 1908 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,760 early next month with the housing and 1909 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,600 this is really a baseline about where 1910 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,920 we're at with housing more to come but 1911 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,760 we thought tonight would be a good 1912 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,280 opportunity for you to kind of get a 1913 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,280 snapshot of where we're at with housing 1914 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,760 and then similar to what we did previous 1915 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,600 uh Barry and Keith if they would 1916 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,520 wouldn't mind coming up to provide some 1917 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,480 capstone comments um uh to fill in after 1918 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,880 Mark gets done. So with that, Mark, 1919 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,760 thank you for being here. 1920 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,960 >> Mr. Shell, please. Thank you. 1921 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,040 >> Uh Mayor Bachinsky, members of council, 1922 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,800 uh eight quick points for you tonight, 1923 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,040 focusing mostly on multif family and and 1924 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,760 rentals. Uh first one is uh the vacancy 1925 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,840 rate has shifted into a pretty clearly a 1926 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,320 tight market situation. Uh that's also 1927 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,640 with number two. Rent growth is pretty 1928 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,239 much skyrocketed in the last two to four 1929 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:04,320 years in the community. At the same 1930 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,760 time, construction of multif family 1931 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,760 units has been a bit below average in 1932 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,600 the 2020s. And one of the reasons for 1933 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,199 that is job growth has been pretty 1934 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:14,400 strong uh to the point where rents are 1935 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,880 now higher than Fargo and uh there's 1936 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,520 high rental churn in the community. Then 1937 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:20,960 finally, you know, this is an issue that 1938 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,640 is economically important to the city in 1939 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,400 a number of ways, both uh in terms of 1940 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,040 workforce, uh quality of life, um upward 1941 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,719 mobility, uh and uh the tax base, and 1942 01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:32,719 also Grand Forks also absolutely needs 1943 01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:35,280 single family houses. So, uh the first 1944 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,960 one here, you know, the average vacancy 1945 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,960 according to the apartment association 1946 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,960 survey is about 6.3% going back to 2008. 1947 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,320 Uh the most recent number is 3.55, 1948 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,719 fourth quarter 2025. 1949 01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,640 uh but it's been persistently below 4% 1950 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,159 for four straight straight quarters 1951 01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:55,120 which is unusual uh for the time that 1952 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,280 we've got that data. So on the bottom 1953 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,480 there, you know, you could say that 1954 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,800 below 6% could be considered tight uh 1955 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,159 for vacancy, below 4% very tight, above 1956 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,040 eight would be soft. And so looking at 1957 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,960 that data here back to 2017, um you 1958 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,000 know, it starts in 2017 above 9% real 1959 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,040 high. Uh but beginning at around 2022, 1960 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,400 it drops here below the 1961 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,719 uh standard average. And then as of 1962 01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:26,000 2024, early 2024 and all of 2025, it 1963 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,320 gets around that 4% mark and then four 1964 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,080 straight quarters down here uh below 4%. 1965 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,920 Uh so again, you know, pretty clearly 1966 01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,679 low, persistently low. If you go back a 1967 01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:37,360 few years, the lowest number I saw was 1968 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,440 about 2.2, but it didn't stand to take 1969 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:42,080 stay that low very long. Uh so this has 1970 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,600 been, I think, probably the most 1971 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,640 sustained period below 4%. 1972 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,360 Rent growth is high uh since early 2022. 1973 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,239 puts up rent prices is up 30%. Uh rent 1974 01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:54,719 prices is up 19% in the last two years 1975 01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:57,280 and since January 2024 and you look at 1976 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,040 the metropolitan level uh the two 1977 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,120 counties Grand Forks and Pulk County uh 1978 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,880 it's rent has grown three and a half 1979 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,480 times faster than the national number. 1980 01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,600 So um it's really the highest rent 1981 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,360 growth in the region essentially the I 1982 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,360 would say the three-state region. So 1983 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,120 looking at that beginning here in about 1984 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,239 2022, rent starts to accelerate 1985 01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,560 uh really in 2024 it takes off pretty 1986 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,239 quickly. The other thing you see here is 1987 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,159 there's a seasonal factor here. It's 1988 01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,000 rent tends to get soft at the end of the 1989 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,960 year uh sort of low in November, 1990 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,320 December and then and then take off 1991 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,040 again. So if you look at the same data 1992 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,800 here in the seasonally adjusted uh it's 1993 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,560 a smooth line uh pretty far straight 1994 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,840 upward. So the median rent here 1995 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,760 according to what's advertised on Zillow 1996 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,360 is uh 1201. 1997 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,360 Looking at growth uh starting in January 1998 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,239 2022 again about 30% here uh you can see 1999 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,080 as compared to everywhere except Willist 2000 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,480 pretty high uh rent growth in the Twin 2001 01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,280 Cities metro areas these are cities low. 2002 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,679 Fargo is about 20% in two years 21%. 2003 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:59,199 the 2-year period where it really 2004 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,639 accelerated in Grand Forks. Uh 18 19% uh 2005 01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,040 and that's well above most the other 2006 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,840 places in the area. These are cities 2007 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,719 again 2008 01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:12,719 uh looking at metropolitan areas again 2009 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,800 the two counties here compared to the 2010 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:15,760 other metropolitan areas who are 2011 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,960 thinking about competitiveness and who 2012 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,639 may want to move here as they evaluate 2013 01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:19,840 different places. Here's where we have 2014 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,199 the three and a half times bigger than 2015 01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:23,440 the national average down here. Five and 2016 01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,159 a 5.4%. 2017 01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:28,480 uh the United States and about 18 uh in 2018 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:32,950 two years here in the metro area. 2019 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,639 So at the during the same time this has 2020 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:36,239 happened uh construction has slowed a 2021 01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,000 bit. So looking at HUD studies and other 2022 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,600 benchmarks you know the target for a 2023 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,600 healthy market might be about one or 2% 2024 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,760 growth per year. Uh Grand Forks 2025 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,840 according to the city's parcel database 2026 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,840 has added 601 apartment units in the 2027 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,239 2020s. And so that's an average of 100 2028 01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,880 per year. So just comparing uh if you 2029 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,440 were to say targeting 1% that would be 2030 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,920 about 666. So it's a little bit below 2031 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,080 that. Uh 2% target would be about 1300. 2032 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,159 Uh going back 15 years Grand Forks has 2033 01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,080 average 181. Now there's a lot of ups 2034 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,760 and downs and heavy swings there but 2035 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,840 that's the average. I think 25 year 2036 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,280 average is about 165 or so. But since 2037 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,000 2018 um if you were to target that 1% 2038 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,440 only two of the eight years have hit 2039 01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:20,560 that 1% benchmark. But a couple years 2040 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:21,920 have been significantly above that. So 2041 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,560 as you see here, looking at again the 2042 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,600 year built of uh the number of units in 2043 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,520 the parcel database from the city. 2044 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,840 Here's your 601 in the six years in this 2045 01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,400 decade of the 2020s. There's about 2100 2046 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,040 built in the 2010s, 1,400 here. So 2047 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,360 again, you know, averaging per decade 2048 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,159 around 2,000 except for the 1990s, which 2049 01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:43,360 of course uh you know, we know what 2050 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,560 happened that time. 2051 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,440 Zooming in a bit uh year by year, here's 2052 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:52,400 your 15-year average of about 180 or so. 2053 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,719 Uh you can see again 2022 was a big 2054 01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:56,960 year, but the several other years were 2055 01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,000 low. Uh nothing in the database in 2024. 2056 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,520 So the last time that happened was back 2057 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,679 in the year 2000. 2058 01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:05,840 So again, major swings. Uh this boom 2059 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,360 happened in 2013 and 2014 uh after a 2060 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,800 couple of really low years. And I do 2061 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,000 think that was one of the times when the 2062 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,800 vacancy hit about 2 and a half%. uh uh I 2063 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,159 think that was around the time just 2064 01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,880 after the city had took a strong policy 2065 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,440 interest in housing at that time. So 2066 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,040 again it's what's important here is to 2067 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,719 view all these three things together. Uh 2068 01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,199 vacancy has been persistently low, rent 2069 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,199 is rising really quickly and then this 2070 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:31,600 below average new supply. Importantly 2071 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,199 all three of these things are pointing 2072 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,600 uh in the same direction. 2073 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,120 Why? Well, one reason is job growth is pretty strong lately. uh just looking 2074 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,639 here at the last 5 years and of course 2075 01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:44,080 this includes some rebound postco uh but 2076 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,400 several uh sectors are doing well and 2077 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,040 growing uh you know government a lot of 2078 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,040 these are state government jobs with UND 2079 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,719 uh coming back online that that was a 2080 01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,560 big reason there's a lot of jobs lost in 2081 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,400 the late 2010s uh in this community uh 2082 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,639 in state government manufacturing is 2083 01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:00,080 strong I think there's a good reason to 2084 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,199 believe that healthcare is going to be a 2085 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:02,560 lot stronger in the region in the next 2086 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,880 five or 10 years as well so that that's 2087 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,800 a big reason uh what's driving some of 2088 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,880 this demand 2089 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,560 Rents higher than Fargo. Uh right now 2090 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,880 it's 1201 as we saw. Um the city of 2091 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,440 Fargo it's around 1,100 at the 2count 2092 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:18,159 MSA level. Uh a little bit higher in 2093 01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,239 Grand Forks at this point. Now that 2094 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,239 said, um Grand Forks is still lower than 2095 01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:23,679 a lot of other places. So I think one of 2096 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,440 the conundrums the community or the 2097 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,520 market has faced is that rents are 2098 01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,000 rising really quickly but at 1,200 it 2099 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,639 may not be enough to pencil uh or make 2100 01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,560 profitable some new developments and the 2101 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,480 current rate uh in debt financing 2102 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,440 environment right so what this number is 2103 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:40,960 where it would work I don't know whether 2104 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,199 it's you know 1500800 something like 2105 01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,760 that 2106 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,520 again comparing to the metropolitan 2107 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,960 areas uh a similar story so the US 2108 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,199 median rent is about $1,900 $00. 2109 01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:56,560 Another way to look at this is to think 2110 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,719 about how much income does a renter 2111 01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:00,159 spend on housing, right? So in the 2112 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,320 orange here in Grand Forks, your median 2113 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,480 renter pays about 28% of their income 2114 01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,400 towards housing. Uh you can see you're 2115 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,320 compared to a lot of other places in the 2116 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,560 state. Uh it's high. So I think you know 2117 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,400 a typical standard would be 30% above 2118 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:17,030 30% might be considered cost burdened. 2119 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,440 So you know some may accuse folks their 2120 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:20,480 community of Grand Forks of being 2121 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,719 obsessed with Fargo. Um, in this case, 2122 01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:24,880 the reason why is is about 2123 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,719 competitiveness. Uh, if you look here in 2124 01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:29,440 this graphic, the red side shows based 2125 01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,679 on IRS tax returns, when people leave 2126 01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:33,199 the Grand Forks County, where do they 2127 01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,440 go? Uh, number one place is Cass County, 2128 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:37,520 number two place is Klay County, number 2129 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,120 three is Henipin. Uh, and so again, 2130 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,760 cost of living, upper mobility, um, home 2131 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,920 prices, rent prices in Fargo are 2132 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,679 probably are relevant to the local 2133 01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,360 market. 2134 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,360 high rental churn. So about 60% 2135 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,440 according census data of renters have 2136 01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,840 relocated or changed units uh between 2137 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,920 2020 and 2024. Uh that's pretty high 2138 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,080 compared to the nation. So in an 2139 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,000 environment where rents rising quickly, 2140 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,840 more households in this community tend 2141 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,440 to get exposed to that market rise, 2142 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,480 right? They're if they're changing 2143 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:07,600 units, they have to pay that higher 2144 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,679 rent. So that exacerbates the problem to 2145 01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:11,840 some extent. 2146 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,040 Rental housing is economically 2147 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,719 important. About a billion dollars in 2148 01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:17,120 tax value, which is key. Um again, 2149 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,920 rising rent prices um is that decreases 2150 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,520 disposable income. That's important for 2151 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,040 local businesses uh particularly if 2152 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,440 you're in hospitality or retail or 2153 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,040 recreation, those kinds of things that 2154 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,840 depend on disposable income. And then of 2155 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,520 course uh in from a competitive 2156 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,120 standpoint, these high prices uh can 2157 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,280 constrict an already thin local 2158 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,920 workforce. So we look at the tax base as 2159 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,520 we saw from Miss Lazer earlier, you 2160 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,360 know, there's about 6.4 billion in local 2161 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,960 tax value in the community, about a 2162 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,040 billion in multif family buildings. 2163 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,560 Roughly half though, number one is 2164 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,080 residential houses. And so one of the 2165 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,239 critical problems in Grand Fork 2166 01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:52,159 structurally is the very thin commercial 2167 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:55,040 tax base. And so about 1.6 billion in 2168 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,320 commercial buildings, another billion in 2169 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,159 multif family. Uh but again, half or 2170 01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:01,280 more than half are in homes. And so uh 2171 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,120 the residential homeowner in Grand Forks 2172 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,719 tends to bear a higher share of the 2173 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:06,719 burden of paying property taxes than a 2174 01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:10,080 lot a typical place. Looking at it by 2175 01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,159 year, um, down here in the last 15 2176 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:14,560 years, there's been about 343 million in 2177 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,159 new value created in multif family 2178 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,520 housing. That's almost 40% of all multi- 2179 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,760 multif family housing value. So, what 2180 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,480 has been built recently has contributed 2181 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:25,840 significantly contributed to the tax 2182 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,440 base. If you look at it by ward, uh, 2183 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:31,520 number one ward for apartments is w 6 2184 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,800 with about 3,200. Uh, the fewest are W 2 2185 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,400 and W five. and then uh sort of evenly 2186 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,920 distributed. The highest value 2187 01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,800 apartments by tax value are in W 5 at 2188 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,800 about 117 per unit. 2189 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,639 Another key here is the number of single 2190 01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,480 family homes that are rented. Uh in 2191 01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,639 Grand Forks, there's about 10,000 total 2192 01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:54,480 single family homes. Of that, again, 2193 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,520 according to the city's database, 768 2194 01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,920 are rented. It's about a little under 2195 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,440 8%. 2196 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:02,880 But when you look at it by ward, of 2197 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,400 course, as you'd expect, you know, quite 2198 01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,960 a few are in W, too. So 600 of those are 2199 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,880 in W 2. Um this is also a large single 2200 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,360 family home ward 2201 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,920 and that's about 25% of all homes in W 2 2202 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,120 are currently being rented. Uh 2203 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:20,560 a little bit less in some of the 2204 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,480 adjacent north end neighborhoods around 2205 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:24,560 four or 5% uh but then in the south end 2206 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,629 it's it's fairly slim. 2207 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,800 One key here is uh the types of houses 2208 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,480 that tend to be rented. Right? So here 2209 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:37,280 you have an estimate of the the median 2210 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,120 yeah the median value of all the 2211 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,520 property that is owner occupied single 2212 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,320 family those are about 316,000 2213 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:45,760 those that are rented are at about 2214 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,639 160,000 right so as you'd expect um the the homes that are being rented are 2215 01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,800 in a critical middle to middle lower 2216 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,760 part of the market about half the value 2217 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,159 roughly one implication for that is you 2218 01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,159 know more apartments that would you know 2219 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,360 we know a lot of these are students 2220 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,280 renting these more apartments might help 2221 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,800 relieve some of the pressure uh in the 2222 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,199 north end neighborhoods on uh the single 2223 01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:09,199 family home rentals. 2224 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:10,480 Last piece here is, you know, you hear 2225 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:11,600 in the community a lot, we don't need 2226 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,520 more apartments, we need more houses. Uh 2227 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,199 it's really a false dichotomy. Both 2228 01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:17,360 things are true. So looking at the 2229 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,840 cities, uh from Miss Lazer, their arms 2230 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,239 length transactions, the median sale 2231 01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:25,280 price was about 295 in 2025. That's 232 2232 01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,280 a square foot. Both numbers are up 2233 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:28,639 pretty considerably, pretty steadily 2234 01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:31,520 over the last few years. 2235 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,920 one key uh the volume of transactions. 2236 01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,840 So these are transactions that are 2237 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,280 listed that hit the market that the 2238 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,880 assessor's office determines to be quote 2239 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,159 unquote arms length. Uh and so basically 2240 01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:44,239 uh the the volume of sales have been cut 2241 01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,719 in half at around 330 or so in the last 2242 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:50,639 few years compared to the high 600s uh 2243 01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:54,000 prior to 2020. So if you take this 325 2244 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,840 divide it by 12, there's about 29 2245 01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,920 transactions a month. Earlier today, 2246 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,320 there are 63 listings of houses, condos, 2247 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,600 and town houses. So that means there's 2248 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,639 about 2.2 months worth of supply, which 2249 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,239 by any account would be considered low. 2250 01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,880 I think you often hear 6 months of of 2251 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,199 inventory would be good. 6 months in 2252 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:13,040 this case, it' be about 170 listings in 2253 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,400 Grand Forks would be a quote unquote 2254 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,760 more uh stable, healthy number. 2255 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,080 Home price growth again really since 20 2256 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,560 early 2024. Again, the same story you 2257 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,080 see in the rentals uh up significantly 2258 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,560 broken by tier. Here's the same line 2259 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,920 median. This is about the 20th 2260 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,920 percentile home and the 80th percentile 2261 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,320 home in the Grand Fork City. Similar 2262 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,480 trends for each up significantly in the 2263 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,719 last two years compared to the other 2264 01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:40,080 communities. Here's the Grand Forks 2265 01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,159 line. A little bit steeper slope, 2266 01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:43,600 growing more a little bit more quickly 2267 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,639 in Fargo, West Fargo, and Bismar. 2268 01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,400 Again, at the metropolitan level, the 2269 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,480 two counties, uh, the one-year home 2270 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,960 price growth was leading the region, 2271 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,920 6.4% and Grand Forks very soft 2272 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,480 nationally in the last year, uh, 2% uh, 2273 01:31:58,480 --> 01:31:59,920 national home price growth. And so, 2274 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:01,920 again, another key takeaway, this this 2275 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,760 entire region is doing outperforming the 2276 01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,000 rest of the country, but Grand Forks is 2277 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,520 at the metro level is seeing some of the 2278 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,000 highest growth. Looking at again this 2279 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,320 particular two-year window where uh 2280 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,000 prices have exploded. Grand Forks is at 2281 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,239 the top there about four times faster 2282 01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:20,480 than the US average of 3% growth. Uh 2283 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,280 similar story to uh the apartment piece 2284 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,800 still not to the point where it's 2285 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,199 pricing ourselves out of you know the 2286 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:28,800 market. Here's the the national number 2287 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,440 median of 361. Grand Forks is about 100K 2288 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,239 lower than that but starting to approach 2289 01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:37,280 some of these. Uh 2290 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,000 and then finally, I think as we saw with 2291 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,639 uh you feel for the folks u with the 2292 01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:44,159 protesting at the board of equalization 2293 01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:46,480 here, we're looking at those same tiers, 2294 01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:48,719 the median and lower tier in Grand Forks 2295 01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:50,320 in, 2296 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,239 you know, a couple years here. Uh it's 2297 01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:55,120 really two-year growth is leading the 2298 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,000 region in middle to middle lower homes 2299 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,239 are up significantly up higher than 2300 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,800 really anywhere else uh across the part 2301 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:08,239 of North Dakota and Minnesota. So, um it it really shows uh critically though 2302 01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:10,560 these home price thing uh trends align 2303 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,880 really closely with the the demand on 2304 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,880 rentals as well. So, again, you know, 2305 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,880 it's pretty clear in those top three uh 2306 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,280 metrics aligning that that uh the rental 2307 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,440 market's tight. Big reason for that is 2308 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,280 the job growth and at the same time 2309 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:24,960 you're seeing a very similar pattern in 2310 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,159 single family homes. 2311 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:32,400 With that, happy to take any questions. 2312 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,800 >> Any questions for Mr. Still, I think 2313 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,320 there's some positives and there's some 2314 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:37,840 tough parts, too. Obviously, we have a 2315 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:38,960 growing community that people want to 2316 01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,840 move to, which is Gary, Indiana, their 2317 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,360 house prices are going down cuz nobody 2318 01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,880 wants to live there. Um, that's not 2319 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,560 happening here. So, that's a positive. 2320 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,560 Uh, but with that being said, um, you 2321 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,679 know, if you own a home, the value is 2322 01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:50,639 going up. If you're trying to get into 2323 01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:52,480 home ownership, um, you're in rentals, 2324 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:54,000 you're really squeezed, particularly 2325 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,600 when inflation's hitting hitting you on 2326 01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,080 the other side, too. Um, any questions 2327 01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,880 for Mr. Shill? 2328 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,480 It was so good you left us speechless. 2329 01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,080 So, I guess that's all we'll we'll need 2330 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:05,760 from you tonight. Did you have anything 2331 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:06,560 else to add to that, Mr. 2332 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,480 >> I don't know if Keith or Barry on behalf 2333 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:13,760 of the EDC or chamber had any additions. 2334 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,760 >> Number one, I want to thank they help uh 2335 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,159 support the funding for this um that I 2336 01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,239 think we can all use as a community. So, 2337 01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:23,840 thanks to your organizations. 2338 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,159 >> Hit the mic. 2339 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:28,239 >> Yep. Uh Barry Weler with the chamber. 2340 01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:31,600 Um, when our board talked about housing, 2341 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,920 um, we really looked at this study and 2342 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,000 partnering with the EDC and funding the 2343 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,480 study for really three reasons. Um, I 2344 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:39,840 think, you know, first of all, you look 2345 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,239 at how tight housing has become in our 2346 01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:45,199 community. Um, we were hopeful that 2347 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,080 getting this really detailed, well 2348 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,560 doumented information out would help 2349 01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,040 developers look at the opportunities 2350 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,960 that are in our community to invest in 2351 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,520 additional housing and make some 2352 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,520 investments in our community. And I 2353 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,280 think that this type of data will 2354 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,440 certainly help them do that. And then 2355 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:06,239 number two, the city council and other 2356 01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:07,920 units of government have some levers 2357 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,400 that they can pull. I think 10 12 years 2358 01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,199 ago when the city made some timing moves 2359 01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,840 on its special assessments. Um and I 2360 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,520 think some of those things really helped 2361 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,360 from a making lots available 2362 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,360 perspective. There are some additional 2363 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,360 levers the city council could do in the 2364 01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,600 rental and also in the single family 2365 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,480 home area. And I'm hopeful that uh 2366 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,239 Council President Sandy, I understand, 2367 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:33,280 may be considering having a blue ribbon 2368 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,199 task force on housing that would be put 2369 01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:37,280 together and we would look forward as a 2370 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,960 business community to participating in 2371 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,960 that. Um because there's certainly I 2372 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,040 think I think just these numbers show 2373 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,120 that it really merits taking a deeper 2374 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,199 dive into this whole housing issue as a 2375 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:49,679 community. And then number three, um, at 2376 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:52,320 the chambers annual meeting in January, 2377 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,159 one of the priorities that the governor 2378 01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:56,960 laid out was his interest in doing 2379 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,440 something this upcoming session related 2380 01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:02,480 to housing. And I think having this data 2381 01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,120 and this baseline information and having 2382 01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,520 our community going through the process 2383 01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,520 of really looking at this with some real 2384 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,480 depth will prepare us for the 27 2385 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,960 legislative session and whatever may be 2386 01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,280 talked about and testified on and come 2387 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,120 out of that session. So those were 2388 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,120 really the three reasons the chamber 2389 01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,440 really felt that this was critical to be 2390 01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:26,719 involved in and thank Mr. Shill um the 2391 01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:29,120 EDC and also the city administrator and 2392 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,960 the mayor and others for helping 2393 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,639 participate in this. So, thank you, 2394 01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:33,280 mayor. 2395 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,360 >> Thank you. 2396 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,960 All right. Any other questions or 2397 01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:37,360 thoughts? 2398 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,520 >> I'm just just thanks for getting this 2399 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:40,960 information. I think we've been talking 2400 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,320 about it for a while and I'm glad 2401 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,320 everybody got together and gives us a 2402 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,159 little bit better information as we plan 2403 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,800 for the future and and uh just want to 2404 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,239 reach out. Thanks. 2405 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,560 Yeah, Mayor, I was just going to add one 2406 01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,280 uh thought uh on the uh vacancy rates. 2407 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,520 There's been a lot of debate about what 2408 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,520 the vacancy rates are and whose numbers 2409 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,600 you should you can believe and whose you 2410 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,480 can't. Um fact is I appreciate that 2411 01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,360 we're using the same groups vacancy 2412 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,600 rates over time to show how things have 2413 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,600 changed. Doesn't matter of what if the 2414 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,840 numbers are exactly right. The trends 2415 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,400 are very relevant and I appreciate that 2416 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,800 Mr. and looking forward to working more 2417 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,520 with you here in the coming days. 2418 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:24,239 >> All right. Thank you. 2419 01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:25,199 >> I have a quick question. 2420 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:26,560 >> Oh, you caught him before the buzzer. 2421 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,000 All right, Mr. Oski, please. 2422 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,760 >> Um, 2423 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,639 who paid for this study? Was it the 2424 01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:34,080 chamber 2425 01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:35,040 >> or 2426 01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,960 >> and the EDC, not the city of Grand 2427 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:37,679 Forks? 2428 01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:38,159 >> Correct. 2429 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,719 >> Didn't pay for this. I Okay. So, 2430 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,719 recently, probably within the past two 2431 01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:46,639 years, we've had multiple studies on and 2432 01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:49,600 presentations given on this exact same 2433 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,920 information. So, I'm just kind of 2434 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,560 wondering how many and obviously we 2435 01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,560 didn't pay for this as a city, but how 2436 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,840 many different, you know, studies were 2437 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,159 we're going to perform and how many 2438 01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:03,600 different times we're going to get the 2439 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,560 same info kind of just 2440 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:11,119 presented by someone else. 2441 01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,040 >> I guess I don't I can answer that. It 2442 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,639 depends how often do you want it. I 2443 01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:15,760 think it was pretty nice that we didn't 2444 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:16,719 have to pay for this one. 2445 01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:17,840 >> Well, I think it's great that we don't 2446 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,600 have to pay for this one, but I know we 2447 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,920 comprehensive and I think it's 2448 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,400 >> and so I'm just wondering how many more 2449 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,320 studies different studies we're going to 2450 01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,880 get done on the exact same thing. 2451 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,560 >> Well, the data changes. I mean, if we're 2452 01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,080 making the data, you know, driven 2453 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,360 decisions, I think we'll have to update 2454 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:37,119 it um as we go. I mean, that's pretty normal. If someone else wants to 2455 01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:38,560 keep paying for it, I think we we follow 2456 01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:38,880 that track. 2457 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,639 >> I agree with that. I agree with that. I 2458 01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:42,960 hope Barry continues to pay. So, 2459 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,440 >> perfect. 2460 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:46,719 All right. Thank you. Well, that's it 2461 01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:48,000 for item two. We'll move on to item 2462 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,600 three, public uh hearings and second 2463 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,440 reading of ordinances. 2464 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:54,719 >> 3.1 determination of protest for project 2465 01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:56,960 number 9010.1 2466 01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,320 through 4 districts number 799.1 2467 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,679 through4 2026 mill and overlay. Uh we 2468 01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:06,239 have received no protests in finance on 2469 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,159 any of these. I can read all three of 2470 01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,000 them or three of them here and before we 2471 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,000 open the public hearing. The first one 2472 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:16,719 project 9050 uh district 797 reconstruct 2473 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:18,960 5th Avenue South Demurs Avenue to 2474 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,440 Washington Street. The second project 2475 01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:25,840 number 9060 District 798 reconstruct 2476 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,400 17th Avenue South Columbia Road to South 2477 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,800 20th Street. And the third projects 2478 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,400 8850.02 2479 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,360 District 801 South 34th Street paving 2480 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,760 and street lights 45th to 47th Avenue 2481 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,040 South. 2482 01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,159 >> All right. Thank you. you. I'm going to 2483 01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:41,679 just open the public hearing for all 2484 01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,840 three. So, if it's 3.1 A, B, or C, if 2485 01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:48,950 you want to speak, please come up. 2486 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:53,109 Mr. Lich, please. 2487 01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:55,920 Thank you, Mayor um Lensky, President 2488 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,920 Sandy, council members. Uh my name is 2489 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,880 Chris Lipch. I live over at uh 4299 2490 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,800 Crystal Drive. Uh if some of you may 2491 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,280 know who I am, I've uh recently moved 2492 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,600 here from Grafton. I served 14 years on 2493 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,440 the city council in Grafton. So, I'm 2494 01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:11,040 envious of all of you from sitting up 2495 01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,719 there and listening to these wonderful 2496 01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:14,639 things going on today, getting my civic 2497 01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:18,080 leadership juices flowing again. Um, 2498 01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,719 maybe a glutton for punishment. Uh, so, 2499 01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:23,600 uh, I'm here to talk, uh, not to be in 2500 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,320 protest of of, uh, specific district 801 2501 01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,320 project 8850.2, 2502 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,440 but I am here to talk about, um, first 2503 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:33,679 of all, a hardship that I had suffered 2504 01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,679 through, uh, researching this project. 2505 01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,199 Uh there's a little bit of bureaucratic 2506 01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:39,199 inertia, maybe a little bit of red tape 2507 01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,880 because when I was trying to find 2508 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,199 details about the project of 34th Street 2509 01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,040 that is west of Discovery to go all the 2510 01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,679 way to 47th, that was difficult. Uh I do 2511 01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:49,760 have to say I'm not speaking negatively 2512 01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,679 about any one of the staff or any one of 2513 01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,280 the departments because they were all so 2514 01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,119 awesome to work with. Uh but I am 2515 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,239 speaking more so about how I got 2516 01:40:58,239 --> 01:40:59,440 directed in so many different 2517 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:02,639 directions. Um instead of one-stop shop 2518 01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:04,159 trying to figure things out. Granted, I 2519 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,080 know Grand Forks is a large community 2520 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,320 and there's a lot of moving parts, but a 2521 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,159 little bit of history here. I'm speaking 2522 01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:12,480 specifically of 34th Street from 40th 2523 01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:14,159 Avenue where the roundabout is west of 2524 01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:15,840 Discovery all the way that's going to 2525 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,960 the brand new 47th uh street or 47th 2526 01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,960 Avenue interchange uh that's coming off 2527 01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,440 of I29. But this project specifically is 2528 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:28,880 only paving 34th um from 45th to 47th. 2529 01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,040 Um there's a little bit of history. I 2530 01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,960 did speak to a couple of the community 2531 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,480 members that are living over in that 2532 01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:35,920 area. There's a few of them that were 2533 01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,960 said that they were led to believe that road was not going going to be a 2534 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,119 through street. Um I find that hard to 2535 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,040 believe because even in my research I 2536 01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,520 could find that there was conceptual um 2537 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,840 and a plan a master plan that was put 2538 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,920 out there. Um but there was no real 2539 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,159 details that was uh speaking of the 2540 01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:56,880 intersection of 34th and 47th. So, you 2541 01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,199 know, the current situation that is um 2542 01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:00,880 going on over at Discovery, and I have 2543 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,360 to go back four years because I was 2544 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,119 teasing um with the mayor uh about the 2545 01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:10,159 drag race and uh Discovery families that 2546 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:11,920 were driving by my house that cuz I live 2547 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,840 right on the corner of uh Crystal and 2548 01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,040 43rd. And thankfully, they put a speed 2549 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:18,480 sign in there, but when I've been mowing 2550 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:21,360 lawn, I've seen it register 50 mph. Um, 2551 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,159 so from Colombia to my house, which is 2552 01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:27,760 approximately a block and a half, people 2553 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,600 are getting to 50 miles an hour to get 2554 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,040 to the school to pick their kid up. 2555 01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:34,000 Let's remind you, at between 2 and 2:30 2556 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,360 when school lets out at 3:15. So I have 2557 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:38,800 some intimate knowledge about that 2558 01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,400 stretch. But then when I've been talking 2559 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,800 to the people over from 44th, 45th, 46th 2560 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,960 or over 44th mainly those areas, uh 2561 01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,280 folks were are seeing the construction 2562 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,719 and what's going to be going on over 2563 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,400 there, but there people were still 2564 01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,760 wondering how is that going to get all 2565 01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,000 the way through. So in my research, I 2566 01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,760 found that uh where we're at today is 2567 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,000 there's a good project planned. Uh I I'm 2568 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,360 not saying that the project needs to be 2569 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,719 stopped. I'm not trying to protest it 2570 01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:06,239 out. I think it's a really good project. 2571 01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,239 I spoke with planning and zoning uh Mr. 2572 01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:10,320 Brooks and I do not want to get in the 2573 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:11,760 way of anything that's going on there 2574 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,840 because uh as you just heard the housing 2575 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,119 study, there needs to be homes and 2576 01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:18,400 there's I think uh 16 or 12 homes that 2577 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:19,760 are supposed to be going over there or 2578 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,480 even more. Um uh but I do want to go 2579 01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:23,760 back to something that the mayor said 2580 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,199 earlier um that you guys in the city 2581 01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:29,040 have dealt with this so many different 2582 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:30,880 times and I think you're at a point 2583 01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,360 right now to maybe make a decision on 2584 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,440 this project so you're not having to 2585 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,760 relive this problem that you're reliving 2586 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,760 at Phoenix Elementary at um Shrader 2587 01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,400 Elementary at Kelly at Lewis and Clark 2588 01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,159 where you have a uh I think it's called 2589 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,320 a classified road going right next to a 2590 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,360 school. Granted, when you talk to 2591 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:50,480 engineering, they're really good at 2592 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,320 building roads and they really do want 2593 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,560 that classified road going to a school, 2594 01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,639 but when there's a lack of enforcement 2595 01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,520 and there's a lack of uh controls that 2596 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,520 are going on around those schools and 2597 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,360 you have people parking in the middle of 2598 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,440 the road when they're picking up and 2599 01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:06,719 dropping off their kids, there's a 2600 01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,480 safety factor. And I know you've all 2601 01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:10,320 heard it at every one of those locations 2602 01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,639 that I've I just announced or just spoke 2603 01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:14,159 of because I've been paying attention to 2604 01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:15,679 your guys' city council meetings for the 2605 01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:18,960 last four years. And I know safety is on 2606 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,239 everybody's radar. So your engineering, 2607 01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:23,679 like I said, is top-notch. They're doing 2608 01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:25,119 a really good job of putting together a 2609 01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:26,880 road that's going to go from A to B, 2610 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,840 40th to 47th. 2611 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,840 But from what I've learned so far, and 2612 01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,840 you guys will learn from the project, 2613 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,480 there's no uh stoplight that's going in 2614 01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:41,119 on 47th to control from 47th to 34th. 2615 01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:42,880 Granted, putting stop lightss everywhere 2616 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,040 and stop signs everywhere. I know from 2617 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,560 being on a city council that's not the 2618 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,199 answer. But actually designing that 2619 01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,159 intersection could help minimize or slow 2620 01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,800 down the traffic or do something to 2621 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,000 prevent the excess traffic going north 2622 01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,199 from 47th to 40th through the roundabout 2623 01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:04,000 going to get their coffee brew or their 2624 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,320 2x4 at the big boxes down that way. 2625 01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:07,840 Because we all know coming off of the 2626 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:08,800 interstate, you're going to choose the 2627 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,119 le the path of least resistance. And if 2628 01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,920 you only have one light and no other 2629 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:18,400 stop signs from 47th interchange and I29 2630 01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,719 to those two places that I was was 2631 01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:22,480 alluding to, I'm pretty sure that people 2632 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:25,119 are going to start taking that route. So 2633 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:27,679 what I would strongly encourage is I I 2634 01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:29,119 don't think this project needs to be 2635 01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:30,320 stopped, but I think there needs to be 2636 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,800 more force for foresight to look forward 2637 01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,560 so you don't have this problem coming 2638 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,119 back like you've had Phoenix, like 2639 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:40,400 you've had Kelly, like you've had, you 2640 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,719 know, Trader and all of these different 2641 01:45:42,719 --> 01:45:45,280 schools make the change now so you don't 2642 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,719 have to worry about it later. And I 2643 01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,239 think when you look at it, the 2644 01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:49,920 conceptual report that came from Bolton 2645 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,800 and M from December 27th of 2023, there 2646 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,199 was three options. Uh one of the options 2647 01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,360 has been kicked out and that is the uh I 2648 01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:58,800 think it's the stop light or the fully 2649 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,000 controlled intersection because you 2650 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,440 can't have that according to the DOT 2651 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:03,920 rules. Now the proc the project is 2652 01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,480 looking at 3/4 of an interchange which I 2653 01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:08,239 don't think that's going to minimize or 2654 01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:09,920 slow down the traffic coming off of the 2655 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,159 interstate. I've said it to a couple of 2656 01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,080 different people 2657 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,080 being on city council before. I had to 2658 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,679 work with some engineers and they told 2659 01:46:17,679 --> 01:46:19,600 me about velocitation. And velocitation 2660 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,679 is when somebody's driving at 80 mph on 2661 01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:23,679 an interstate and they come off of the 2662 01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:26,639 interstate and they come on to 47th. 2663 01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:28,719 Now, they don't know or realize they're 2664 01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:30,719 not going to be able to drive down to 2665 01:46:30,719 --> 01:46:35,199 35, 40, 25, 20 in a school zone. I don't 2666 01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:38,239 know if that velocitation or that factor 2667 01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:39,840 is being even considered. when you're 2668 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:41,679 coming down 47th, you're going to go 2669 01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:44,719 right past the 38th um which is going to 2670 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:46,000 be a controlled structure, but you're 2671 01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:49,040 going past 38th to 34th than going north 2672 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,600 to your desired location. I'm I'm not 2673 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:52,800 saying everyone's going to be doing that 2674 01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,800 because 38th might be the most desired 2675 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,360 off-ramp off of the interstate, but we 2676 01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,280 are going to have more traffic in that 2677 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:02,480 area. So, what's the solution? I wish I 2678 01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:03,840 had the big brains like the people at 2679 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,600 your engineering firm, your engineering 2680 01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,000 departments have. Um, I don't have the 2681 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,520 answer for this, but I do know that the 2682 01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,760 concept report did suggest the right in 2683 01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,239 right out or the 3/4. And I think the 2684 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,480 3/4 intersection is going to be pushed 2685 01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,320 forward. I think the right in and right 2686 01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,320 out would be the better option. 2687 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,960 Ultimately, the best option in my in my 2688 01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,159 view would be no interchange there and 2689 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,320 have 38th and 30th, but that would be 2690 01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:29,840 stopping progress and I don't want to be 2691 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,000 that person. Thank you for your time and 2692 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,840 I do stand for any questions. 2693 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:42,070 Thank you. 2694 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,360 All right. Any other anybody else for 2695 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,199 the public hearing item 3.1? Either A, 2696 01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:50,470 B, or C. 2697 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:51,440 All right. We'll close the public 2698 01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:53,119 hearing portion and I'll open up to 2699 01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:55,440 council for thoughts, motions, comments, 2700 01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:57,040 whatever they please. Miss Oowski. 2701 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,040 >> Yeah. Um, I think we should look into 2702 01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,679 what that guy said and make sure that, 2703 01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:03,920 you know, we're doing the right thing, I 2704 01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,280 guess, around a school. Um, we do have 2705 01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,520 some issues with more of the North End, 2706 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,679 elementary, older schools, and so I 2707 01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:14,560 guess I would like to see 2708 01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:17,920 those issues addressed or looked into. 2709 01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,960 I'm not 100% 2710 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,800 sure about the project, but I mean, I 2711 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,239 support the project, but I'm not that 2712 01:48:26,239 --> 01:48:28,159 familiar with it. I haven't looked into 2713 01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,639 it too much, but I do think that the 2714 01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:33,280 children should be safe. So, if we could 2715 01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,320 do our due diligence on that, I guess. 2716 01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:36,719 So, 2717 01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,320 >> we're, you know, it's it's the second 2718 01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:39,679 reading, so this would be the final 2719 01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:40,960 hearing for it tonight. I don't know if 2720 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,280 Christian or um uh Mr. Danielson or Mr. 2721 01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,440 Grasser wants to touch on this subject 2722 01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,360 where we got today. I know it's been a 2723 01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,760 lot of concepts over the years and and a 2724 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,040 lot of work to get to where it is today. 2725 01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,760 Maybe give us some background um on how 2726 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,840 we got to today. 2727 01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,679 >> Good evening. Uh mayor, members of city 2728 01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:00,800 council, boy, it's hard to uh when you 2729 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,040 start looking back in the past. I'm 2730 01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,880 going to go back before the interchange 2731 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,840 itself was uh at least approved on the 2732 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,480 uh the last uh studies that we did two 2733 01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:11,840 or three years ago with the with the 2734 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,040 DOT. I think everybody assumed and 2735 01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:18,239 figured the roads that are are coming 2736 01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:21,840 south, namely uh Columbia Road, 34th 2737 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,760 Street, and 38th Street, will all 2738 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:26,000 basically come keep going south and 2739 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,040 mirror what's going on on on 32nd Avenue 2740 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,880 South. So, you've got a traffic signal 2741 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,760 on 38th, got traffic signal on 34th, 2742 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,679 you've got actually a traffic signal on 2743 01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:37,280 30th, and another one on, you know, on 2744 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:40,080 Columbia Road. we tend to put signals in 2745 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:45,840 a little more often than than maybe the textbook um 2746 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:49,040 traffic engineering would suggest. So 2747 01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,040 with that, again, it was originally 2748 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:56,000 envisioned, I think, on engineering and and the MO, and there's no detailed 2749 01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:00,400 drawings that that really get into those traffic signal designs when you're 2750 01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,800 20 years out or 10 years out, uh even 2751 01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,040 sometimes 5 years out. But anyway, I 2752 01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:06,400 think everybody would would have assumed 2753 01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,800 that those uh again those signalizations 2754 01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,800 would occurred as I just just got done 2755 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,600 talking about when the when the uh fast 2756 01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,080 forward then or reversed back to about 3 2757 01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,080 years ago when the DOT really got into 2758 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,840 the the u uh study on on the 47th 2759 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,360 interchange 2760 01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,520 and and I will mention this interchange 2761 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,600 thing goes back decades literally when some of those original concepts 2762 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,960 came about when the DOT came in uh they 2763 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,159 said you know we're going to get pretty 2764 01:50:34,159 --> 01:50:36,080 strict here on on where we have 2765 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,840 signalized intersections coming off of 2766 01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,800 interchanges actually any place. And so 2767 01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,880 that's when we really learned I think as 2768 01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:48,080 a community that said the DOT um 2769 01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,280 essentially would have liked to have had 2770 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:52,239 the signalization at 34th Street because 2771 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,239 that would have given the dis the more 2772 01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:55,920 optimum distance they were looking at 2773 01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,239 from the interchange and split between 2774 01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:01,440 Columbia Road and the interstate. We if 2775 01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,280 you remember we pushed back on that. We 2776 01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,920 said we don't think we really want to go 2777 01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,080 that far down the line for our first 2778 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,080 intersection. We were successful in 2779 01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,920 getting the DOT to work more towards 2780 01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,840 what they consider their very minimum 2781 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,360 spacing for the first signalized 2782 01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,280 intersection. And that that was 38th 2783 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:20,239 Street. And then they said, you know, in 2784 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,320 between there there really wasn't enough 2785 01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,239 space then to put another signalized 2786 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:25,920 intersection, you know, all the way to 2787 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,400 Columbia Road because obviously you had Columbia Road signalized. 2788 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,400 Um, and yeah, they looked at different 2789 01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,000 concepts about right in, right out, 2790 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,239 different spacings. Right in, right out 2791 01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:38,159 doesn't need quite as many uh spacing 2792 01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:40,800 between them as a as a 3/4 does. And 2793 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,239 again, reminding a 3/4 um allows a right 2794 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:45,920 in, right out, and a left in. It 2795 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,159 prevents the through traffic from that 2796 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:50,159 that's that would be going across the 2797 01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:51,440 street. 2798 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:54,320 So what we ended up landing on with the 2799 01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:56,639 IGR that interstate justification report 2800 01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:59,280 and some of those um studies was the 2801 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:03,599 signal on on uh 38 38th 2802 01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:07,040 the 3/4 on 34th Street. Uh and we did 2803 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,040 that again want we didn't want that to 2804 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,560 be an open intersection because of the 2805 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,119 traffic potential for the school etc. Uh 2806 01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:14,719 there's a there's a pedestrian uh going 2807 01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:17,920 to be a pedestrian uh walkway at about 2808 01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,239 32nd 2809 01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:23,199 Street and then there there will be uh 2810 01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:28,000 another 3/4 at probably at 30 2811 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,639 what is that? 30th Street. Sorry if you 2812 01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:32,239 don't look aren't looking at a map. 2813 01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:33,679 Basically I'm walking I'm walking 2814 01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:35,440 everybody back towards Columbia Road. So 2815 01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,280 we've we've got a series of 3/4 2816 01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,040 intersections and that's been important 2817 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,599 for the development concept. uh you know 2818 01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:43,040 as is people are going to be developing 2819 01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,960 and allowing uh access uh along the way. 2820 01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,599 Um it's kind of a compromise I guess in 2821 01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,599 my mind on on the 3/4 intersection 2822 01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:53,280 versus the full intersections and that's 2823 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,480 kind of where we're at today. Um we have 2824 01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:59,119 invested the classification system is 2825 01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:02,080 important. It's it's uh your main roads 2826 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,520 are on the section lines that would be 2827 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,960 like Columbia, Washington, etc. Um 38th 2828 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:08,560 kind of is except that the interstate 2829 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:13,679 took up the actual section line. Um 2830 01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:15,440 I'm probably doing a little bit too much 2831 01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:16,960 rambling, but I'm giving you a lot of 2832 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,360 background. Anyway, we are where we're 2833 01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,599 at. The city paid uh 80% of the cost to 2834 01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:23,360 34th Street because we recognize that 2835 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,679 was planned to be a through street and 2836 01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:29,280 actually plan on going through 30 47th 2837 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,480 and on South. Quite frankly, uh, in our 2838 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:34,960 some of our last concepts, uh, as we've 2839 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,800 talked about staff, I think 38th 2840 01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,719 Street's going to continue south. 34th 2841 01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:41,199 Street, I'm not sure that we, uh, will 2842 01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,280 fund that as a classified street because 2843 01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:45,040 it's going to be cut off from going 2844 01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,360 through on 47th and it's essentially 2845 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,119 going to be cut off going south at at 2846 01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:50,880 Maryfield Road. I think some of the same 2847 01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,719 things. That's another discussion, but 2848 01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,719 it it just points out that I think we we 2849 01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:57,440 are looking at the the traffic on 34th 2850 01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,960 Street probably carrying less traffic 2851 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,880 than we had originally thought, you 2852 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,280 know, 20 years ago. Um, again, just 2853 01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,280 because of how that that would have 2854 01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,239 carried multiple miles of traffic back 2855 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,159 and forth. That's getting cut off now on 2856 01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:11,119 47. 2857 01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:13,599 >> So, longer term, not having it 2858 01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:14,880 signalized means you're not going to 2859 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,560 have north south traffic on there. You 2860 01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,080 can't go left if you're heading south. 2861 01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,639 So longterm, you're not going to pick up 2862 01:54:20,639 --> 01:54:22,719 anything south of 47th 2863 01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:23,599 >> on that route. 2864 01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:24,239 >> Not a 3. 2865 01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,239 >> So that's where you ended up with a 3/4. 2866 01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:27,599 >> Okay. 2867 01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:30,800 >> Uh the schools I that that's a that's a 2868 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:32,080 problem no matter where it's at. This 2869 01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,000 the the parents tend to overwhelm the 2870 01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,679 streets. There's only so much I think 2871 01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:37,520 enforcement you can practically do there 2872 01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:42,239 when I know we have been uh uh 2873 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,080 on Discovery. I know they they tried to 2874 01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,400 get in much more uh drop off parking 2875 01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:47,920 there and and there is quite a bit more 2876 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,280 drop off parking than a lot of the 2877 01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,800 schools. It's still not enough. You've 2878 01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,040 got those peaks. You got that 15-minute 2879 01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,360 craziness on, you know, on either end. 2880 01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:56,960 Uh and sometimes there's people parking 2881 01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,719 out on the street for it's it's amazing 2882 01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:00,719 how early sometimes people will park uh 2883 01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:03,280 to get on the street. 2884 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,440 Nobody's come up with a solid answer for 2885 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,280 that. I can give you the easy answer 2886 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,239 from engineering is is is don't put them 2887 01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:13,119 on those classified streets. I do that 2888 01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,119 tongue and cheek because they they need 2889 01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:16,639 those classified streets to get the 2890 01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:22,159 buses and some of that some of that uh relatively easy access to the school. 2891 01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:24,480 So, I think it's a compromise. We need 2892 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,040 to live with uh what we live with and uh 2893 01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,280 I mean it's it's it's been functioning. 2894 01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,520 I think the actions we've taken on 47th 2895 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,400 with uh 34th Street are reasonable and 2896 01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,719 prudent and have cut down from what I 2897 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:38,000 would have originally thought. You know, 2898 01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,239 if you'd asked me 10 years ago, I think 2899 01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:41,599 it's there's going to be less traffic on 2900 01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:42,880 there now, I think, than what I had 2901 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,199 originally envisioned. 2902 01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:45,360 And 2903 01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:46,560 >> I will point out, I'm not going to give 2904 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,239 it away completely, but other than being 2905 01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:49,599 the city engineer, I do see Mr. 2906 01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:51,280 Grasser's parcel listed on this. So, 2907 01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:52,400 you're pretty darn close to this 2908 01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:53,599 intersection. So, you got a pretty good 2909 01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,840 feel for it, huh? 2910 01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,760 >> No comment. question 2911 01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,000 before you wander away. Are we doing 2912 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:06,159 right turn lanes on all 2913 01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:07,199 I 2914 01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:09,199 >> of these inter 2915 01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:10,960 so 2916 01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:13,280 uh I mean right now we're only building 2917 01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,920 up to 34 street but but we are set up I 2918 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,760 mean we're envisioning those that we are 2919 01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:18,960 building we're building right turn 2920 01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:20,400 lanes. Those that we're envisioning are 2921 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,440 going to have right turn lanes. 2922 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,280 Certainly the the uh all the signalized 2923 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:24,719 intersections 2924 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,400 >> there's only one signalized intersection 2925 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:27,840 but there are three intersections. I 2926 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:28,960 want to make sure we're putting in the 2927 01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,719 right turn lanes. some of the other 2928 01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:35,119 ones. Uh uh I'm gonna have to Are we 2929 01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:38,000 getting at every single one? I I hate to 2930 01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:38,719 take 2931 01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:39,360 >> Yeah. 2932 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,080 >> make an absolute comment. 2933 01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:43,440 >> This is This is his last time in front 2934 01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,960 of council, too, so he's got to be He's 2935 01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:46,800 got a perfect record in 30 years. Don't 2936 01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:48,480 blow it on the last one. 2937 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:49,840 >> All the right turn lanes will be there. 2938 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:50,560 >> Thank you. 2939 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:52,880 That's excellent. 2940 01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:54,000 >> All right. Any other comments? 2941 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:55,840 Otherwise, we'll look for action on item 2942 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,679 3.1. 2943 01:56:57,679 --> 01:56:59,599 Got a motion to approve from President 2944 01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:01,119 Sandy. Do we got a second? Second from 2945 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:05,360 Vene. Any further discussion? 2946 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:06,880 Seeing none, all those in favor signify 2947 01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:07,760 by saying I. 2948 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,440 >> I. 2949 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,320 >> Same sign. Motion carries unanimously. 2950 01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,239 >> Thank you. 2951 01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:16,080 >> Okay. Item four, citizen comments. Any 2952 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,560 comments this evening, Miss Lmark? 2953 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:26,870 >> I have two. Uh, Jod LMK. 2954 01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,480 » Mr. Lumpy, please. 2955 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:30,560 >> Good evening, 2956 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:31,520 Mayor. 2957 01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:32,320 >> I think we got it. We're going to have 2958 01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,080 you over with that one. We got you. 2959 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,360 >> Go to the go to the other 2960 01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:35,840 >> Why? 2961 01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,840 >> That's our That's the protocol. If I 2962 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,480 don't follow it, then I'll you I'll hear it from these guys. So, 2963 01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:43,119 >> all right. Good evening, Mayor Council. 2964 01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:45,920 Just a couple concerns about property 2965 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,599 assessments 2966 01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,159 in the city here. 2967 01:57:50,159 --> 01:57:55,920 And I'm a little nervous, but so 2968 01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,800 when the elected officials 2969 01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,960 get their assessments done by the 2970 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,080 department of assessment, 2971 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,080 I think that's a little bit of conflict 2972 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:08,480 of interest and maybe you should look at 2973 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,800 a third party. I mean, it's just my 2974 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,719 thought. Not saying there is any 2975 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:14,800 conflict or anything, but there there 2976 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,199 could be. And also with 2977 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:22,560 when uh 2978 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,960 a property tax exe is emptying of 2979 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:29,030 improvement. 2980 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,639 So when somebody applies for that, the 2981 01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:36,080 council votes on that. Correct. 2982 01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,840 And 2983 01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:40,719 so I'm there too. If it's an elected 2984 01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:42,239 official, 2985 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:45,280 maybe it should be a third party and not 2986 01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:48,080 I mean I but that might be sentry code 2987 01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,880 where the city council does it. I don't 2988 01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,719 I'm trying to read off the thing I got 2989 01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:55,360 from the assessor's office. 2990 01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,560 So, and then 2991 01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,040 there's a few other concerns I had with 2992 01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,480 the assessing process and I've I've had 2993 01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:08,480 some meetings with uh Tammy. So, 2994 01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:12,239 she's 65% transparent. 2995 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:16,639 That's that's my thought. So, thank you. 2996 01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:20,470 >> Thank you, 2997 01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:29,830 » Andrew Kraick. 2998 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:34,229 Mr. Crossley, please. 2999 01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:36,080 Thank you. Um, I'm here tonight to talk 3000 01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:37,760 about the two pilot requests for CK 3001 01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,760 Commercial in the Domain, asking for 3002 01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,560 5-year, 90% pilots. This would equate to 3003 01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,320 almost $2 million in property tax 3004 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:46,080 savings for the domain to build a very 3005 01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,159 large, high-end luxury apartment complex 3006 01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:50,719 with amenities. I emailed you all the 3007 01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:53,040 drawing from the neighborhood meeting. 3008 01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,360 The domain shows two golf simulators, 3009 01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,080 four bowling al lanes, an indoor pickle 3010 01:59:58,080 --> 01:59:59,920 ball court, an indoor basketball court, 3011 01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:02,000 and an indoor fitness center, plus 3012 02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,599 outdoor pickle ball courts, putting 3013 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,520 green, cornhole, and ample hangout 3014 02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,280 space. 3015 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,119 Take all those amenities, buildout 3016 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:11,440 costs, space, maintenance expense over 5 3017 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,280 years. That's going to add up to 3018 02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,840 probably more than $2 million. Why are 3019 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,360 you considering giving them nearly a $2 3020 02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:19,760 million tax exemption? You say the 3021 02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,199 public purpose for these tax incentives 3022 02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:23,119 is housing. You haven't objectively 3023 02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:25,040 proven there is a need. But if there 3024 02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,639 truly is, it doesn't mean you should 3025 02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:27,840 approve these with all the extra 3026 02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,280 amenities that compete with businesses 3027 02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:32,080 like mine. Cut out the amenities and 3028 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,239 then you don't need the incentive. Or do 3029 02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:35,520 they need the incentive? Because they 3030 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:36,880 need a competitive advantage to pull 3031 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,199 renters from other complexes. How is 3032 02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:40,400 that fair to all of their apartment 3033 02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,880 owners? Dakota Commercial would have 3034 02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,280 over 60% of my golf simulator capacity 3035 02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,280 covered with their tax incentivized 3036 02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,920 projects. If you approve this, add these 3037 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,159 two to the three in Memorial Village, 3038 02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:54,560 which is milking a 20-year incentive. 3039 02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,639 And yes, this is competition. It's 3040 02:00:56,639 --> 02:00:58,719 unfair competition. 3041 02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:00,480 Did you ask Mr. Gost about the Southern 3042 02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,000 Valley, North Dakota Supreme Court case 3043 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,920 I brought up in the last public hearing 3044 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:05,760 in relation to adding in clauses to 3045 02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,239 exclude things like golf simulators? He 3046 02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:09,840 chimes in when it helps your objectives, 3047 02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:11,360 but he doesn't chime in when it may give 3048 02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:13,679 credence to a public comment. A great 3049 02:01:13,679 --> 02:01:15,440 example is when Mr. Waggle stated at the 3050 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:17,360 last meeting that anyone could go online 3051 02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:19,280 and see who owns an LLC. That's 3052 02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,840 incorrect. Why didn't Mr. Goststead 3053 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,239 correct him? There is no visibility to 3054 02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:26,560 LLC ownership or investors. All we see 3055 02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,560 on the Secretary of State site is who 3056 02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,119 the registered agent is. Mr. Ritterman 3057 02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:33,040 is the registered agent for the Beacon. 3058 02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:34,480 It doesn't mean he's responsible for the 3059 02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:37,599 debacle of Epic. You most certainly can 3060 02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:39,360 add a clause so they cannot include golf 3061 02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,320 simulators or other competing amenities. 3062 02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:43,840 Why are you okay with competing with 3063 02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,480 Albatross, Red Ray Lanes, Play at Pickle 3064 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,679 Ball, Altru Sports Complex, Shoot 360, 3065 02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:51,760 Choice Fitness, and all other fitness 3066 02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:54,159 centers? CK Commercial appears 3067 02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:55,520 different, maybe limited or no 3068 02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:57,520 amenities, but don't sell it as a 3069 02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,639 low-income project. Despite Mr. Feland's 3070 02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:02,080 request of Baker Tilly to adjust the 3071 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:03,920 narrative from their original report to 3072 02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,080 the now posted revised report, there 3073 02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:07,520 still appear to be only nine affordable 3074 02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,880 low or near low-income units of the 45. 3075 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,400 Mr. Mr. Waggle asked Mr. Ritterman 3076 02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:13,440 during the last meeting if he'd build 3077 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,360 these if he didn't have the incentives. 3078 02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:17,599 Sounded like he said no. That's good 3079 02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:19,199 enough for you guys. That's how you call 3080 02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,360 bluffs. Ask your poker opponent if he 3081 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:23,199 has pocket aces. He says yes and you 3082 02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:25,520 fold. Until you guys shut off the tax 3083 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,840 incentive faucet, why would any of these 3084 02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:29,360 guys say they can build without when it 3085 02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:30,560 means they lose out on millions of 3086 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,280 dollars. Please join Mr. Osowski and 3087 02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:34,800 start saying no to these unfair tax 3088 02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:35,520 incentives. 3089 02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,119 >> Thank you, Mr. Crossnik. I got to cut 3090 02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:38,159 you off there. 3091 02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:40,719 >> Thank you. 3092 02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:42,560 That's all I have tonight. 3093 02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,480 >> All right. Thank you. Okay. We'll move 3094 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:44,960 on to 3095 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,040 >> There was one comment uh submitted 3096 02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:47,599 online. 3097 02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:48,239 >> Okay. 3098 02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,080 >> That's good chance to see that. All 3099 02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:53,199 right. Perfect. Thank you. 3100 02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:57,510 Move on to action items. 3101 02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,840 I know 521 I was going to pull. Any 3102 02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,360 other items council wants pulled for 3103 02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:02,880 further discussion? 3104 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,760 um 510, 3105 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:10,960 516, 518, 519, 3106 02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,599 and 3107 02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:17,199 or when we vote on 520, we're just going 3108 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:19,679 to po postpone. Correct. So, that'll 3109 02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:22,560 just be like if we vote yes on that, 3110 02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:23,360 we'll just postpone. 3111 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:24,320 >> Yeah, we probably wouldn't take any 3112 02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:25,840 action on 520. 3113 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:27,520 >> Okay. Then it can just stay in there if 3114 02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:28,960 we're just going to postpone it. 3115 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:30,239 >> Well, I just Right now, is anybody 3116 02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:31,920 Everybody's okay with postponing 520. 3117 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,119 So, we won't take any action. We'll list 3118 02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:35,119 that as our We won't vote on that. 3119 02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:35,520 >> So, 3120 02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:36,880 >> Oh, we're not going to vote on it? No. 3121 02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:40,800 >> Oh, okay. Then just 510, 16, 18, and 19, 3122 02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:41,280 please. 3123 02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,080 >> 510, 516, 518, 59. Perfect. Any other 3124 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,639 ones council wants pulled for more 3125 02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:53,830 discussion this evening? 3126 02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,880 All right. Um, look for a motion then to 3127 02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:00,719 approve items 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 3128 02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:03,679 5.6, 6 5.7 3129 02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:13,830 5.8 5.9 5.11 5.12 5.13 5.14 5.15 57 3130 02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,159 and that would be the list. 3131 02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:16,960 >> Motion to approve. 3132 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:18,400 for Miss Berg. Do we 3133 02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,159 have a second? Second from President 3134 02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:22,719 Sandy. All those in favor signify by 3135 02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:23,360 saying I. 3136 02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:26,960 >> I post same sign. Motion carries 3137 02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:28,480 unanimously. Why don't we just Why don't 3138 02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,159 we have a just have a quick vote on 520 3139 02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:31,440 to postpone that then we'll get to the 3140 02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:32,719 list. Everyone's okay with that. 3141 02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:35,280 >> Um I motion to postpone 520. 3142 02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:36,080 >> Perfect. 3143 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:37,760 >> We got a motion from Oselki second from 3144 02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:39,520 Bird. All those in favor signify by 3145 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:40,800 saying I 3146 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,400 >> oppose. Same sign. Motion carries 3147 02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:45,040 unanimously just to clean that up. So we 3148 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:48,400 would have Miss Thor said 5.10 5.16 5.19 3149 02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,400 and 5.21. 3150 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,800 >> 18. I pulled 18 and 19. 3151 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,320 >> 5 10 16 18 19 and 21. 3152 02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:58,480 >> 21. Perfect. All right. 5.10 plans and 3153 02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:01,119 specs for project 9064 3154 02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:06,719 district 800 paving 27th Avenue North Washington to North 36th Street. 3155 02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:08,000 >> Thank you. Any comments or just ready to 3156 02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:08,320 vote? 3157 02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:09,440 >> Ready to vote. 3158 02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,040 >> Motion to approve from Berg. Second from 3159 02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,199 Vice President Wigel. Seeing no further 3160 02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:14,560 discussion. All those in favor signify 3161 02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:15,360 by saying I. 3162 02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:16,560 >> I. I. 3163 02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:17,599 >> Oppose. Same sign. 3164 02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:18,159 >> I. 3165 02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:19,840 >> Motion carries 6 to1 with Oski 3166 02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,840 desenting. 5.16 bid award project 9106 3167 02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:26,320 MSW solid waste landfill soil treatment 3168 02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,119 pad construction questionnaires attached 3169 02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:30,400 >> I just have a quick question 3170 02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,159 >> yeah maybe if I if you want 3171 02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:33,920 >> some color first Mr. Thank you, 3172 02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:35,599 >> uh, Mayor Bachinsky, members of city 3173 02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:37,040 council, thanks for, uh, pulling it, 3174 02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,920 Miss Oowski. Um, this evening I I've 3175 02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:43,119 asked Jackson Bratcher to kind of give 3176 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,360 you the standard on uh, what we're 3177 02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,679 calling the lowest and most responsible 3178 02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:50,239 bidder. And then I would ask Sharon, 3179 02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:52,639 she's the author of the staff report and 3180 02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:54,239 the recommendation to go with the second 3181 02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:56,560 low bidder in this case. And I I just 3182 02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,199 introduced myself to Cordell from Dirty 3183 02:05:59,199 --> 02:06:01,440 Deeds Dirt Work and he would also like 3184 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,239 to speak. if we could have Jackson go 3185 02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:07,520 first and then Sharon and then um 3186 02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,280 Cordell would also like to speak on 3187 02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:11,760 behalf of Dirty Deeds uh dirt work. So 3188 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,760 that was how we I was going to plan to 3189 02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,280 choreograph if that's okay with the city 3190 02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:17,760 council and ultimately uh we're looking 3191 02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:20,880 for uh your review and you know and 3192 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,320 final opinion on on on the situation. 3193 02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:26,000 >> That works for me unless anyone's got 3194 02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,599 any real objections. That sounds like a 3195 02:06:27,599 --> 02:06:30,560 good plan. So Jackson, 3196 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,639 >> thank you. Um, Mr. Mayor, members of the 3197 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,880 city council. So, as Mr. Felen said, I 3198 02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,760 am going to defer to Miss Lipch on the 3199 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,599 actual staff recommendation, but we 3200 02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:41,360 thought it would be helpful to pre 3201 02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:44,320 provide a uh kind of standard and a 3202 02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:47,119 quick review on uh what the sentry code 3203 02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:51,040 tells us about um the lowest responsible 3204 02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:52,880 bidder. So, in the context of awarding 3205 02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,960 bids, the sentry code specifically 3206 02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:56,800 48-01.2-07 3207 02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:59,760 2-07 provides that the governing body 3208 02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:01,920 shall award the contract to the lowest 3209 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:04,800 responsible bidder. Um I believe there 3210 02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:07,440 was the city received six bids on this 3211 02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,679 project. So the city's decision tonight 3212 02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:12,960 is to uh award the project uh to the 3213 02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:14,800 lowest responsible bidder. And what the 3214 02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,040 century code further tells us about the 3215 02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,199 lowest responsible bidder is that it 3216 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:22,079 means uh the lowest best bidder for the 3217 02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:24,800 project considering past experience, 3218 02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:27,440 financial condition, past work with the 3219 02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:30,079 governing body and other pertinent 3220 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,239 attributes that may be identified in the 3221 02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:34,639 advertisement for bids. So essentially 3222 02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:37,920 what this means is that the bid doesn't 3223 02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,320 necessarily need to be the lowest bidder 3224 02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,560 in terms of dollar amounts um but 3225 02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,560 instead the lowest responsible bidder 3226 02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:46,719 and as indicated in that statutory 3227 02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:48,800 definition uh the lowest responsible 3228 02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,199 bidder allows consideration of numerous 3229 02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:53,679 factors. Um and this has been further 3230 02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:55,520 expanded on by the North Dakota Supreme 3231 02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:57,199 Court and the North Dakota Attorney 3232 02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:59,440 General who have done deeper dives on 3233 02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:02,079 what that phrase means. Um and in some 3234 02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:05,440 of those opinions and cases um one being 3235 02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,599 Bol Builders Inc. v county of Grand 3236 02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:10,960 Forks uh the court held that um things 3237 02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:14,000 such as ability, skill, reputation, 3238 02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:17,040 integrity, experience, efficiency and 3239 02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:20,000 capacity of a bidder um can also be 3240 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:23,280 contemplated when awarding a bid. Um so 3241 02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:25,679 that's basically the relevant standard. 3242 02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:27,760 Um unless anybody has any questions 3243 02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,960 about um that definition further uh I 3244 02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:33,199 will defer to Miss Lipch regarding the 3245 02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:36,960 staff recommended action here. 3246 02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:39,920 >> Any question on legal opinion? 3247 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:42,239 >> All right, Miss Lipch Mr. Be 3248 02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:44,639 >> will you again repeat the the century 3249 02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:46,560 code number for that? 3250 02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,840 >> Yes. So um the general authority is 3251 02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,760 48-01.2-07 3252 02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,679 2-07 3253 02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:55,199 which provides that the governing body 3254 02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:57,360 shall award the contract to the lowest 3255 02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:00,079 responsible bidder. And then section 3256 02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:03,990 48-1.2-01 3257 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,639 subsection 19 defines what the lowest 3258 02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:09,679 responsible bidder means. 3259 02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:11,679 >> All right, Miss Lynch. 3260 02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:13,520 >> All right. Good evening, Mayor Bachinsky 3261 02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:15,599 and council members. The item before you 3262 02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:18,480 is toward the bid for project 9106, 3263 02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:20,079 which is the construction of a soil 3264 02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:23,280 treatment pad, soil treatment storage 3265 02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,280 area, and roadway at the city's 3266 02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,000 landfill. The project size is roughly 12 3267 02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:29,520 acres. 3268 02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,199 The project is important for landfill 3269 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,679 operations. It will allow us to treat 3270 02:09:33,679 --> 02:09:36,400 hydrocarbon contaminated soil so that 3271 02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,719 they can be reused as cover materials 3272 02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:40,400 which help maintains regulatory 3273 02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:43,280 compliance with the DEEQ and not only 3274 02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,679 improves our long-term landfill capacity 3275 02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:48,159 but also creates additional revenue as 3276 02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:49,599 there is a disposal fee for this 3277 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:52,719 material. We received six bids as 3278 02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:55,360 previously stated from ranging from 3279 02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:59,760 $429,000 to approximately 723,000. 3280 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,599 The apparent low bidder was Dirty Deeds 3281 02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:04,079 Dirt Work at $429,000 3282 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:06,159 with Gowen Construction as a second low 3283 02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:08,320 bidder at $4871 3284 02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:11,280 or $480,71.90. 3285 02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:15,679 The engineers estimate was $822,600 3286 02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:21,040 and $850,000 was in the 2026 budget. 3287 02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:22,880 Under North Dakota law, as just 3288 02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:25,199 discussed, um the city is required to 3289 02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:27,440 award to the lowest bidder, not simply 3290 02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,280 the lowest price. 3291 02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:30,800 Based on guidance from the city 3292 02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,440 attorney, staff evaluated both cost and 3293 02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,000 bidder responsibility. We issued a 3294 02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:37,599 follow-up questionnaire to the two 3295 02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:40,320 lowest biders to better understand their 3296 02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:43,040 experience, capacity, and ability to 3297 02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,280 meet the project requirements. 3298 02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,119 Through that process and in talking with 3299 02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,920 city project managers, staff identified 3300 02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,920 concerns with the apparent low bidder 3301 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,800 related to past project performance, 3302 02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,440 including mobilization, understanding of 3303 02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,599 plans and specifications, and project 3304 02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:02,639 timelines. The project examples provided 3305 02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:04,800 were not comparable in size, scope, or 3306 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,599 regulatory complexity to this landfill 3307 02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:09,920 project. It is imperative that this 3308 02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:11,920 project is constructed as per the plans 3309 02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:13,760 and specifications that Burns and 3310 02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:16,320 Macdonald designed as a city's solid 3311 02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:18,320 waste operating permit and soil 3312 02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:21,040 treatment plan have very specific 3313 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,520 regulations related to the construction 3314 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:25,360 and operation of the soil treatment pad 3315 02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,760 and storage area. These have previously 3316 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:31,360 been approved by the DEEQ 3317 02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,400 Gowen Construction. Oh, sorry. The 3318 02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,000 project involves environmental 3319 02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,480 compliance, erosion control, and 3320 02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,239 documentation requirements associated 3321 02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:42,639 with permitted landfill site. So, 3322 02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:44,719 experience and capacity are particularly 3323 02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:46,960 important. The contractor will be 3324 02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,760 operating under the city's SWIP permit 3325 02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:52,079 and within the landfill operating 3326 02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:54,400 permit. Gowen Construction has 3327 02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,000 demonstrated experience with similar 3328 02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:59,280 projects as well as staffing, equipment, 3329 02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:01,040 and processes need to meet those 3330 02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:03,280 requirements. The difference between the 3331 02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:07,040 two bids is $51,000 or about 12%. Staff 3332 02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:08,719 determined this price does not outweigh 3333 02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:10,400 the risks associated with contractor 3334 02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,199 performance or project delivery. 3335 02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:15,280 Based on that evaluation, staff 3336 02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:16,639 recommends awarding the contract to 3337 02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:18,560 Gowen Construction as a lowest 3338 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:20,400 responsible bidder in the amount of 3339 02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,069 $480,71.90. 3340 02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:26,400 This res recommendation is based on 3341 02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:28,239 selecting the contractor best positioned 3342 02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:30,480 to successfully deliver the project with 3343 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:32,560 the least risk to the city. I'll stand 3344 02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:35,520 for any questions. 3345 02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:41,270 >> All right. Any questions for Miss Lipch? 3346 02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,280 So, Miss Lipch, well, I guess, you know, 3347 02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:44,480 ultimately the city council is going to 3348 02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:45,920 have to make the decision if that lowest 3349 02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,159 bid wasn't, you know, a responsible bid. 3350 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:50,000 I think that's what this comes down to. 3351 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,440 I know the answer to this, but I'm just 3352 02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:53,280 going to say it. We're ask it anyway so 3353 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,440 you can answer it. Obviously, we had 3354 02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:57,599 850,000 bids, so all the bids are 3355 02:12:57,599 --> 02:12:58,960 significantly lower than what we had 3356 02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,679 estimated on this. If there was one bid 3357 02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:03,679 that was 900,000 and one bid that was 3358 02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:05,280 850, would you have the same answer that 3359 02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:06,320 you have today? 3360 02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:06,880 >> Yes. 3361 02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,639 >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions for Miss 3362 02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:22,790 Lipch? All right, Mr. Felen. 3363 02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:24,719 » How's your How do we say your last name? 3364 02:13:24,719 --> 02:13:25,599 >> Wim Fimemer. 3365 02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:27,280 >> Whim Fimer. All right, Mr. Whim Fimer, 3366 02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:27,679 please. 3367 02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:31,119 >> Good evening, uh, mayor and city council 3368 02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:33,520 members. I just rushed over here from a 3369 02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:34,960 job site, so I didn't have much time to 3370 02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:36,480 prepare, so I'm going to be going off 3371 02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:39,520 top of my head here. But, uh, as far as 3372 02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,040 the thing stated, first thing I want to 3373 02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:43,520 say for Gowens is they do tremendous 3374 02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:45,520 work. Obviously, I can't say anything 3375 02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:48,480 against them as a contractor. They are 3376 02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:51,119 obviously a very substantial contractor 3377 02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,440 the state of North Dakota and uh have 3378 02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:56,079 nothing bad to say about them as far as 3379 02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:59,599 we go and the questionnaire and the 3380 02:13:59,599 --> 02:14:03,040 concerns that may be upon us for whether 3381 02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,599 or not we can complete the work. Um in 3382 02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:07,440 the past we have done other projects for 3383 02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:10,320 you guys. Uh we did the flood wall 3384 02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:14,000 repair uh did an outfall repair. Did 3385 02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,760 some concrete sparing repair for you 3386 02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:17,679 guys. Another thing we've done for 3387 02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:19,679 counties like Cass County is and Pemma 3388 02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:21,760 County is we've constructed bridges on 3389 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,239 their county roads and uh we've taken 3390 02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:27,440 care of legal drains. Um we've done a 3391 02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:32,000 lot of different work anyway and uh 3392 02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,960 the concern that's being claimed is we 3393 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:36,480 don't have the experience to take this 3394 02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:39,440 on. I personally disagree with that. I 3395 02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:40,800 have worked for other companies in the 3396 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:43,280 past that have taken on landfill soil 3397 02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:47,040 pad um gradation work. and a lot of my 3398 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:49,520 operators too have had experience with 3399 02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:52,239 other companies doing this similar line 3400 02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:54,800 of work. Um, 3401 02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,360 one of the big things 3402 02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,760 my my big issues with the questionnaire 3403 02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,920 that was done was that none of the 3404 02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:05,360 references that I had given were 3405 02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,679 contacted whatsoever. I had confirmed 3406 02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:10,320 that earlier today. And another thing in 3407 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:13,119 the report was it made us look really 3408 02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:16,079 bad. Um, and after 3409 02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:17,920 doing some research, I found out that 3410 02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:20,800 from other city engineers, that isn't 3411 02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:23,599 exactly what they had um, stated about 3412 02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:25,440 us. A lot of your city engineers have 3413 02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:27,040 been very happy with the work we've done 3414 02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:29,280 in the past. You might have had a couple 3415 02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,360 hiccups here and here, here and there. 3416 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,119 That's natural with job sites. But 3417 02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:35,360 overall, if you go look if you go look 3418 02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:38,560 at your uh storm sewer repair job we did 3419 02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:41,280 on the greenway, um I think you'd be 3420 02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:43,280 very pleased to see how that turned out, 3421 02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,599 especially with the challenges we were 3422 02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:48,560 facing. Um, 3423 02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:50,880 another thing, this this doesn't have 3424 02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:54,719 anything really to do with um, 3425 02:15:54,719 --> 02:15:56,800 experience, so to speak, and I hate 3426 02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:58,320 bringing this up, but this has more so 3427 02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,480 to do with my dad, who owned a different 3428 02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:03,360 construction company 10 years ago, and 3429 02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:06,719 some weather events on a box he was 3430 02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:09,199 doing in Walsh County, which it rained 3431 02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:11,119 non-stop every day. He had shut down 3432 02:16:11,119 --> 02:16:13,280 that river. Two tornadoes went through 3433 02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:15,840 that job site and even Wanzix's crane 3434 02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,599 got struck by lightning and fried out 3435 02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:20,079 the whole wiring system and Wanzix had 3436 02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:22,880 to have a crew come out and put a whole 3437 02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,560 new wiring system that took like four to 3438 02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,920 five days to repair that crane. This put 3439 02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,239 us way back past the deadline of that 3440 02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:32,559 job. However, if you go on County Road 9 3441 02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:34,319 in Walsh County, you'll see that box 3442 02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:37,280 culbert standing today and it's doing 3443 02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:40,160 great. However, this created a quarrel 3444 02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,800 between Sharon and my father. And I feel 3445 02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:45,679 like this beef, so to speak, that's 3446 02:16:45,679 --> 02:16:48,080 happening between them is what's causing 3447 02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:51,439 is what's motivating the decision to not 3448 02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:55,519 give us this work more so than 3449 02:16:55,519 --> 02:16:58,160 lack of experience. 3450 02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:01,270 Uh 3451 02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:03,280 that's mostly what I have to say about 3452 02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:07,200 it. I would ask to be given a chance to 3453 02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,439 prove to you guys the quality work we 3454 02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:12,000 could do for your city as in the past we 3455 02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:13,359 have done other work for you guys that 3456 02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:17,519 has turned out really well and uh that's 3457 02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:18,960 I guess that's what I have to say about 3458 02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:21,040 that. 3459 02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:24,399 >> Any questions from council 3460 02:17:24,399 --> 02:17:25,519 president Sandy please 3461 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:29,519 >> thanks for coming tonight. So you're u 3462 02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:30,960 thoroughly confident that you can do 3463 02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:33,519 this job. I'm extremely confident act 3464 02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:35,280 >> and if it doesn't go well that you don't 3465 02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:36,880 get another job with the city of Grand 3466 02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:38,160 Forks. 3467 02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,080 >> I totally agree with that. That's 3468 02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,160 >> Well, I mean I I can't say that we can 3469 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:43,920 do that because legally I can't. But I'm 3470 02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,080 just saying that it won't look good for 3471 02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:48,319 you if things don't go well, 3472 02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:50,639 >> right? I can I can guarantee you that we 3473 02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:52,559 will get this project done for you guys. 3474 02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:54,479 Um we have taken on much more 3475 02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:56,399 complicated 3476 02:17:56,399 --> 02:18:00,319 projects in the past. Uh, 3477 02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:02,160 and I have all sorts, like I said in my 3478 02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:03,439 questionnaires, I had all sorts of 3479 02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:07,200 references, notable references, too, uh, 3480 02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:10,000 to, uh, to back that up. They just were 3481 02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:13,990 never contacted. 3482 02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:15,599 » Any other questions? Mr. Wel, please. 3483 02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:16,160 President Wel, 3484 02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,880 >> I got a question for Miss Lipch. Can you 3485 02:18:18,880 --> 02:18:21,040 talk to us about the references that 3486 02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:23,120 were contacted either by yourself or 3487 02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:27,990 others? 3488 02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:30,479 Yes. Um, 3489 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:32,559 Mayor Bochinsky and Council Member 3490 02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,559 Wigle, I did contact several of the 3491 02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,519 references. I contacted the two city 3492 02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:39,920 managers, project managers who were on 3493 02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,479 the outfall project and on the um, flood 3494 02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:47,120 wall repair project. I talked to um, 3495 02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:49,120 Devon 3496 02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:51,679 in Pemina County. 3497 02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:53,599 Let me see. I got to find my notes here. 3498 02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:56,160 Take me one second. And I talked to the 3499 02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:58,719 engineer on the other project he 3500 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:01,920 referenced, the Wala City project. I 3501 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,240 talked to Dan Fischer. He was the 3502 02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,880 engineer on that project. And that was 3503 02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:08,960 actually a 400 foot long riverbank 3504 02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:11,439 stabilization according to to Mr. 3505 02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:14,479 Fischer. Um and Devon with Pemina County 3506 02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:16,399 said that most of the jobs they have 3507 02:19:16,399 --> 02:19:19,200 ever done have been um bridge projects 3508 02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:21,439 for that county or box cover culvert 3509 02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:26,399 work. Um, I guess being that um, Mr. 3510 02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:29,200 Winimer brought up his father, um, his 3511 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:30,639 father is not even listed on this 3512 02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:33,200 project. Um, when I sent out the 3513 02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:34,960 questionnaire, I asked for who would be 3514 02:19:34,960 --> 02:19:36,880 on the project, and he's not even listed 3515 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:40,639 on the project. He has himself 3516 02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:44,160 and, um, I believe his brother listed on 3517 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,479 the project as staff. So, he didn't even 3518 02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:50,800 list his father. Um, I talked to him 3519 02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:53,760 earlier and explained the situation that 3520 02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:55,120 I was going to make the recommendation 3521 02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,040 to city council to award to gown 3522 02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,040 construction based upon experience 3523 02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,040 because he hasn't listed any landfill 3524 02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:03,040 experience working in a landfill with 3525 02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,479 the regulations and the things that we 3526 02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:07,040 have to follow. Safety isn't utmost 3527 02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:10,640 importance obviously. Um, but I I think 3528 02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,399 Todd can attest to this. I treat 3529 02:20:12,399 --> 02:20:15,359 everybody fairly. I the past is the 3530 02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:16,720 past. I can't change what happened on 3531 02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:18,720 that project in Walsh County, but I hold 3532 02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:21,920 no grudges towards either of them. Um, 3533 02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,000 had good conversations with both Dan 3534 02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:26,560 Hansen and Christian Danielson who were 3535 02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:29,280 on the city projects and they're the 3536 02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:30,560 ones that pointed out some of the 3537 02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:32,960 issues. Not bringing enough equipment to 3538 02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,040 the site, not being able to keep the 3539 02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:37,920 equipment running on the site. um 3540 02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:41,200 arguments about methodologies of how 3541 02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:42,800 they wanted to construct the project 3542 02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:44,319 versus how it was designed to be 3543 02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:46,160 constructed. So those are very 3544 02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:48,479 concerning from a regulatory standpoint 3545 02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,960 that this project was designed 3546 02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:53,920 specifically to meet the regulations 3547 02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:57,359 spelled out by the DEEQ and the EPA. We 3548 02:20:57,359 --> 02:20:58,720 have to follow those. We have we have to 3549 02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:00,240 ensure that those are right. Otherwise, 3550 02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:03,280 we could build a project 3551 02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:06,080 and not get it permitted and then be out 3552 02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,080 a half million dollars because we can't 3553 02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:09,920 use it. 3554 02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,479 It's not as I mean, we had several 3555 02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:16,080 biders. I don't know how many times um a 3556 02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,000 very reputable dirt moving company was 3557 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:19,600 in Carmen's office asking questions 3558 02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,920 about the plans and specifications. We 3559 02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:25,120 didn't have a single question from Dirty 3560 02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:27,359 Deeds Construction. 3561 02:21:27,359 --> 02:21:30,479 So I have I have a lot of concerns. 3562 02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:32,160 Does that satisfy you, Mr. Bo? 3563 02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:32,800 >> It does. Thank you. 3564 02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:35,680 >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Lynch. 3565 02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:36,640 >> All right. Why don't you You can go 3566 02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:38,080 ahead and sit down. We'll discuss up. 3567 02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:39,120 You don't have to stand there, but do 3568 02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:39,680 you have a 3569 02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:40,240 >> more statement? 3570 02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:41,760 >> You can. Sure. You can have go ahead 3571 02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:42,479 wherever you want to go. 3572 02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:43,600 >> A few things. 3573 02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:46,240 >> Hit uh hit the button there. There you 3574 02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:48,399 go. 3575 02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:50,880 >> I did call Carmen. I've spoken to her. I 3576 02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:52,880 had questions about this project before 3577 02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:54,800 I even put a bid in because I want to 3578 02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,640 know what I'm getting into. 3579 02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:59,120 with a uh with a project. You know, 3580 02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:01,120 obviously we have a class A contractor's 3581 02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,280 license. We're bed bonded. If something 3582 02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:04,640 goes wrong and we can't complete the 3583 02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:06,720 job, that totally falls on us and our 3584 02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:09,920 bonding company. So, I did make a phone 3585 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:11,359 call and I did have a series of 3586 02:22:11,359 --> 02:22:15,200 questions I did ask Carmen. Uh actually, 3587 02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:16,720 my wife was right next to me that day I 3588 02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:19,200 did that. As far as it went, the all the 3589 02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:21,520 people I had called all my people I had 3590 02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:23,520 as references and they told me that they 3591 02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:26,479 had not heard from Sharon yet. And I do 3592 02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:30,240 truly believe, Sharon, that 3593 02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:33,600 this has more so to do with what you and 3594 02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:35,840 my father's falling out was than with 3595 02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,000 what we 3596 02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:41,040 >> anything ever to do with me. So, 3597 02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:41,600 >> thank you. 3598 02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:43,600 >> Honestly, I would I would love to to 3599 02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:45,760 take the chance and award the project to 3600 02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:47,920 the low bidder, but there's too much at 3601 02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:51,040 stake. Like we have the 42nd Avenue, we 3602 02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:53,120 got the 42nd Street project coming up 3603 02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,520 that we can have the capacity to take a 3604 02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,680 lot of that contaminated material at our 3605 02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,000 own landfill, but right now we can't. 3606 02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:01,120 >> Yeah. All right. I'm going to have you 3607 02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:02,720 sit down now. 3608 02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:04,560 >> You got 15 seconds and we got we're not 3609 02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:05,920 having a debate. So go ahead. 3610 02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:07,760 >> As far as far as that outfall repair, we 3611 02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,479 had four excavators on it, a bulldozer, 3612 02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:12,319 several dump trucks, and two skid steers 3613 02:23:12,319 --> 02:23:14,160 on it. So, as far as not bringing enough 3614 02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:17,600 equipment, um I guess you could bring 3615 02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:19,120 more, but then it just be kind of like a 3616 02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:20,560 car show. You just have it lined up in 3617 02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:22,240 the show piece. So, 3618 02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:24,000 >> all right. Thank you. Thank you, Miss 3619 02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,439 Lips. We're going to if we have further 3620 02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:26,640 questions, we'll bring bring you back 3621 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:27,680 up, but for now, let's have a 3622 02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:30,000 discussion. Did you have a question for 3623 02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:32,240 >> Oh, I was ready to make a motion. Um 3624 02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:36,080 upon reviewing the material, um D what 3625 02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:36,960 was their company? 3626 02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:37,680 >> Dirty Deeds. 3627 02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:39,120 didn't answer all the 3628 02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:41,520 questions. And so in that itself I have 3629 02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,880 concerns and so I'd motion to um go with 3630 02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:46,240 staff recommendation. 3631 02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:48,720 >> Okay, we have a motion to 3632 02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:50,080 approve a staff recommendation. Do we 3633 02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:51,760 have a second? 3634 02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:52,560 >> Second. 3635 02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,000 for Mr. Waggle. And now we'll 3636 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,720 open up for further discussion. 3637 02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:58,160 President Sandy, please. 3638 02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,160 >> I probably have a series of rhetorical 3639 02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:03,520 questions. Um how how is a new 3640 02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:05,600 contractor get experience to get jobs 3641 02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,040 for the city of Grand Forks if they're 3642 02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:09,359 not hired by the city of Grand Forks? 3643 02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:10,960 Um, 3644 02:24:10,960 --> 02:24:15,200 at what point do we um try to help uh 3645 02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,280 the local contractors? I'm I'm not 3646 02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:20,399 saying Gwen and the others aren't, but 3647 02:24:20,399 --> 02:24:23,359 I I don't know. I I also I can't argue 3648 02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:27,359 your comments. Uh uh Miss Berg, 3649 02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:29,760 they didn't 3650 02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:32,080 it feels like a perfect storm of nothing 3651 02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,240 working right on this uh on this bid 3652 02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,520 project. So, uh, uh, I would like to see 3653 02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:40,319 us award it to the to the the lowest 3654 02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:43,280 bidder myself, um, because I'd like to 3655 02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:45,359 give them the opportunity to do a job 3656 02:24:45,359 --> 02:24:48,479 and prove themselves. However, uh, with 3657 02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:50,720 Miss Lipch saying that this is one of 3658 02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:53,840 those, uh, there's too much at risk. It 3659 02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:56,640 you can't you can't argue against what 3660 02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:59,439 she's saying. So, I certainly hope that 3661 02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:01,200 you 3662 02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:05,439 um respond to future RFPs and you're the 3663 02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:06,960 lowest bidder so we can get you higher 3664 02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:09,040 and get you more business. So, thank 3665 02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,240 you, Mayor. 3666 02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:13,439 >> Thank you, President Sandy. Miss uh 3667 02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:14,720 >> Yep. What's that? Yeah, please. 3668 02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:15,680 >> Mr. Fred. 3669 02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:17,600 >> Oh, Mr. Fredos, 3670 02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:19,439 >> I just wanted to real say real quick, I 3671 02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:21,200 appreciate him coming in and and you 3672 02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:23,040 know, pleading the case on this. I I did 3673 02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:25,600 review the material too and he uh he did 3674 02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:27,120 send me a bunch of photos of some of the 3675 02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:29,439 other work but definitely not in the 3676 02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:33,920 scope of uh landscape uh landfill uh 3677 02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:37,120 fixing. So, but I I I applaud him for 3678 02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:39,040 coming in and and continue to fight the 3679 02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:41,200 good fight and continue to bid on jobs. 3680 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:44,319 Please don't stop. 3681 02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:46,720 >> Thank you, Mr. Fredoffs. 3682 02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:48,399 Any other points? Thank you for helping. 3683 02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:50,399 I didn't see that hand up there. Any 3684 02:25:50,399 --> 02:25:52,479 other comments or questions from 3685 02:25:52,479 --> 02:25:56,230 council? 3686 02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:57,680 All right, seeing none, all those in 3687 02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:00,720 favor signify by saying I. I 3688 02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:01,920 >> oppose. Same sign. 3689 02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:02,479 >> I 3690 02:26:02,479 --> 02:26:04,160 >> motion carries six to1 with Lonsky 3691 02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:07,830 descending. 3692 02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:10,160 » 5.18 is to set a public hearing on 3693 02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:12,240 application for tax incentive a pilot 3694 02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:15,920 from KC CK Commercial LLC doing business 3695 02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:18,720 as Kings View located at 6150 Kings View 3696 02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:21,120 Drive. 3697 02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:21,680 Um, 3698 02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,160 >> all right. Thank you, Miss or Mr. Suska, 3699 02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:24,800 you have a comment. 3700 02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:26,560 >> Yeah, I just have a quick comment. You 3701 02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:30,000 know, it's really hard to sit up here 3702 02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,720 and vote on pilots as we have, you know, 3703 02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,760 homeowners, property values that are 3704 02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:39,680 skyrocketing and their taxes. Um, and 3705 02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:40,880 they're being increased pretty 3706 02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:43,280 dramatically, I think, throughout the 3707 02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:47,120 town. Um, also 3708 02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:51,600 I just think it's real odd how all these 3709 02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,600 developers now are coming back to us 3710 02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,760 with just five-year pilots. I feel like 3711 02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:58,720 it's their way of avoiding the county 3712 02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:02,720 and the school board. Um, and honestly, 3713 02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:04,720 after the past two years that we have 3714 02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:08,640 had with apartment building pilots, I 3715 02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:12,479 have pilot fatigue. So those are my 3716 02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:15,439 comments and I'm ready to vote on 18 and 3717 02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:16,720 19. 3718 02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:18,240 >> All right. Well, we'll start with 18. 3719 02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:19,920 Any other comments on that? Otherwise, 3720 02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:21,840 look for a motion from council. 3721 02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:23,280 >> Motion President Sandy, second from 3722 02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:27,120 Berg. Any further discussion? 3723 02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:28,640 Seeing none, all those in favor signify 3724 02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:29,439 by saying I. 3725 02:27:29,439 --> 02:27:30,640 >> I. 3726 02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:31,600 >> Oppos? Same sign. 3727 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:32,000 >> I. 3728 02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:33,680 >> Motion carries six to1 with Oowski 3729 02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:35,359 desenting. 3730 02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,200 and 5.19 3731 02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:38,960 set public hearing application a tax 3732 02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:43,040 incentive a pilot uh for RTVMPS 3733 02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:45,600 LLC doing business as the domain located 3734 02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:48,720 at 106547th Avenue South. 3735 02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:49,840 >> All right. 3736 02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:51,680 >> Got a motion to approve President Sandy. 3737 02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:52,640 We have a second. 3738 02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:53,359 >> Second. 3739 02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:55,200 for Miss Berg. Any further 3740 02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:56,800 discussion? 3741 02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:58,560 519. Seeing none. All those in favor 3742 02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:00,640 signify by saying I. I. I. 3743 02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:02,240 >> Oppose. Same sign. I. 3744 02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:04,000 >> Motion carries. 6 to1 with Oski 3745 02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:06,720 desending. 3746 02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,680 >> And last item 5.21 AR center scoreboard 3747 02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:11,600 bid process update and review of Grand 3748 02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,280 Forks Event Center commission and city 3749 02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:15,200 council authority related to the air 3750 02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:16,080 center. 3751 02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:18,399 >> All right. And I I think we had a good 3752 02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:20,000 discussion last week. The only thing I 3753 02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:21,680 was going to add is I there's been 3754 02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:23,359 talks. Do we need to make any changes 3755 02:28:23,359 --> 02:28:25,920 with the way the center commission works 3756 02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:28,160 or it operates? I don't think we do. I 3757 02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:29,600 think they're doing a lot of of great 3758 02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:31,359 work. I want to keep all the same 3759 02:28:31,359 --> 02:28:32,880 people. I think that's the exact right 3760 02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:35,040 mix that we need. Um, but in thinking 3761 02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:37,040 about this, I think one benefit and to 3762 02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:38,319 be able to get the public and the rest 3763 02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:39,520 of us to be able to see all the 3764 02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:41,200 tremendous work that they're doing. It 3765 02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:43,040 is the only committee, I believe, city 3766 02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:44,640 committee that doesn't meet downtown 3767 02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:47,040 here. So, um, I was going to ask uh 3768 02:28:47,040 --> 02:28:48,960 through a city council resolution that 3769 02:28:48,960 --> 02:28:50,720 we would require the commission just 3770 02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:52,160 like all of our others to meet here in 3771 02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:53,280 council chambers. Then they'd be 3772 02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:54,800 televised. We could go back and watch if 3773 02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:56,720 we had questions um, and give an 3774 02:28:56,720 --> 02:28:58,160 opportunity for them to be in this great 3775 02:28:58,160 --> 02:28:59,760 room just like all of our other 3776 02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:01,600 commissions. I know the board of health 3777 02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:04,399 um did the same thing. So um they could 3778 02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:05,680 definitely pick what time works for 3779 02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:06,960 them. Um I've worked with John 3780 02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:09,439 Bernstrom. Um as long as it's not, you 3781 02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:10,640 know, a night that they're not already 3782 02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:12,399 here so we don't have an increased cost. 3783 02:29:12,399 --> 02:29:14,240 Um they can meet at the same time they 3784 02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:16,560 currently do. Um but that's what I would 3785 02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:18,160 be asking for tonight just to just to 3786 02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:21,040 move forward and um again bring it into 3787 02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:22,240 the city just like we have everything 3788 02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:24,640 else as it is a city uh city commission 3789 02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:26,240 and um they do a great job and want 3790 02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:27,600 everyone to be able to see that. 3791 02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:29,200 >> Um I have a comment 3792 02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:32,240 >> please. Um, first of all, I 100% agree 3793 02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:36,960 with you. I I think it just when 3794 02:29:36,960 --> 02:29:39,840 committees have their meeting within our 3795 02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:42,479 chambers, it just 3796 02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:45,040 makes everything seem a little bit more 3797 02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:46,880 official. And I do think that we should 3798 02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:49,840 be recording their meetings. um we did 3799 02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:52,080 move public health, you know, not too 3800 02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:54,399 long ago into the chambers and I think 3801 02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:58,160 it just really sets a good precedence. 3802 02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:02,080 And so with that, um I would like to 3803 02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:03,840 motion 3804 02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:07,359 that the 3805 02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:09,760 board meet in the chambers and they're 3806 02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:12,000 allowed to pick their times and 3807 02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:13,520 whatever. Do we we need a motion for 3808 02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:15,040 that? Yeah, it's so I guess the motion I 3809 02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:16,560 address was a resolution from the city 3810 02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:18,399 council uh having the meetings here 3811 02:30:18,399 --> 02:30:20,000 within council chambers that would be 3812 02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:21,520 meetings in sub subcommittee. So 3813 02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:23,359 committee subcommittee meetings um 3814 02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:24,880 they'd be televised just like all of our 3815 02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:26,880 other meetings. Um we'd open 3816 02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:29,840 >> other than 5:30 on Mondays they and 5:30 3817 02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:31,040 on Wednesdays. They probably got to pick 3818 02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:32,399 a different time for those two, but 3819 02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:35,920 whatever's available they can certainly pick the right time. And just 3820 02:30:35,920 --> 02:30:38,640 further, I mean it is the center is a 3821 02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:40,880 great asset for the community. there's a 3822 02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:42,399 lot of money that goes into that to keep 3823 02:30:42,399 --> 02:30:43,920 it up to keep it to be one of the 3824 02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:45,840 premier facilities. Um so I think it's 3825 02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:47,840 important to have those types of 3826 02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:49,520 meetings here um going forward. So 3827 02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:50,640 that's I guess that's what I was looking 3828 02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:52,240 for be a resolution through the city 3829 02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:53,840 attorney's office just to those to those 3830 02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:54,240 points. 3831 02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:56,319 >> I agree with you 100%. And so I do 3832 02:30:56,319 --> 02:30:57,200 motion that. 3833 02:30:57,200 --> 02:30:58,560 >> Got a motion. Do we have a second? 3834 02:30:58,560 --> 02:30:59,359 >> I'll second. 3835 02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:00,240 >> Second from Miss B. 3836 02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:01,520 >> Question. Does that include Brooke as 3837 02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,319 well? because I want to be cognizant of 3838 02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:06,880 um the base participation in that 3839 02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:07,920 >> in the in the which 3840 02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:08,640 >> in brick 3841 02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:10,000 >> brick currently is right across the 3842 02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:11,680 street. Okay. And so that's currently 3843 02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:13,120 meeting I guess 3844 02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:15,120 >> downtown as well. But I you know 3845 02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,760 certainly I think in that group we have 3846 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,600 more than nine members. It'd be hard to 3847 02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:21,600 get them around the table here but I 3848 02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:23,040 guess I feel comfortable knowing that 3849 02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,120 it's right here you know downtown in the 3850 02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:25,680 same area. 3851 02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:26,720 >> Okay. Thank you. 3852 02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:29,200 >> Yeah. 3853 02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:33,110 Vice President comment. 3854 02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:34,880 » My only question would be does it have 3855 02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:36,399 to be council chambers? Could they meet 3856 02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:40,240 downtown at the same location? 3857 02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,920 >> I think to have it televised and to be 3858 02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:43,920 able to, you know, be able to go back 3859 02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:45,280 and watch them, have them on channel 2 3860 02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:46,640 on Facebook like everything else. This 3861 02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,880 is the easiest place to do that. And we 3862 02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:50,800 have staff that's available to operate 3863 02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:52,960 those meetings. So, it'd be similar to 3864 02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:54,720 the growth fund, to the JDA, to the 3865 02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:56,399 board of legalization, to planning and 3866 02:31:56,399 --> 02:31:59,280 zoning, to board of health. Um, I just 3867 02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:00,880 think it's comes in the fall with all 3868 02:32:00,880 --> 02:32:05,910 the rest of the committees. 3869 02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:07,680 Any further comments? We have a motion, 3870 02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:09,760 a second on the floor. Uh, Mr. Be. 3871 02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,240 >> Yeah. Um, it's hard to argue against 3872 02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:15,680 that fact um that we should have almost 3873 02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:17,600 all of our meetings open. I know the the 3874 02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:19,600 issue here was to take the politics out 3875 02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:23,040 of it. That's why we looked at um having 3876 02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:25,680 it separated and and run by the business 3877 02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:27,520 sector, not necessarily make it 3878 02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:31,280 political. Um but if we do that, then I 3879 02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:32,479 think we need to do that for all 3880 02:32:32,479 --> 02:32:35,439 meetings, not just handpicked ones that 3881 02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:37,680 can and can't do it. So we're we if it 3882 02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:39,760 is it'll be overall, it'll be consistent 3883 02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:41,760 and we just do it that way. 3884 02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:43,280 >> Yeah, I think that that makes perfect 3885 02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:44,000 sense. 3886 02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:45,840 >> So would that include the airport 3887 02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:47,120 authority as well? 3888 02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:50,800 >> Well, that's a separate entity. though I think the airport authority has its 3889 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,080 own polit it's its own political 3890 02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:53,200 subdivision 3891 02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:56,640 >> and we're televised already uh at the 3892 02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:57,920 airport authority 3893 02:32:57,920 --> 02:32:59,120 >> I think there's a few members that would 3894 02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:00,479 prefer that not have to drive out there 3895 02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:00,880 but 3896 02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:02,560 >> yeah I would prefer it be in the council 3897 02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:06,080 chambers but 3898 02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,240 >> all right seeing no further discussion 3899 02:33:08,240 --> 02:33:10,800 all those in favor signify by saying I 3900 02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:14,000 >> I post same sign that motion carries 3901 02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:17,359 unanimously and then to the further uh 3902 02:33:17,359 --> 02:33:19,439 item 5.2 21. We doing a motion. No 3903 02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:19,840 problem. 3904 02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,640 >> Got a motion to approve 5.21. Uh who was 3905 02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,479 the second? President Sandy motion. It's 3906 02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:26,399 this it's the center scoreboard bid 3907 02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:28,240 process from two weeks ago. It feels 3908 02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,560 like a month ago now. But I'm sorry I 3909 02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:31,600 didn't get who the second was. It was 3910 02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:33,120 Miss Berg. So motion President Sandy 3911 02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:34,880 second from Miss Berg. All those in 3912 02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:36,399 favor signify by saying I. 3913 02:33:36,399 --> 02:33:37,439 >> I. 3914 02:33:37,439 --> 02:33:39,200 >> Opposed same sign. 3915 02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:41,840 >> Motion carries unanimously. 3916 02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:43,600 Approve. 3917 02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:45,520 All right. Moved on to item six 3918 02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:46,800 information items. There are none. So 3919 02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:48,319 item seven, approval of minutes and 3920 02:33:48,319 --> 02:33:49,760 bills. 3921 02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:52,080 >> 7.1 is the vendor list and engineers 3922 02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,080 estimate that's attached. 3923 02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:54,720 >> Motion to approve. 3924 02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:56,560 >> Got a motion to approve from Miss Berg. 3925 02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:57,600 Second from Miss Lky. 3926 02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:58,479 >> I have a quick comment. 3927 02:33:58,479 --> 02:34:00,560 >> Please, Mr. I just want to say thank you 3928 02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:02,240 to our finance department. When I went 3929 02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:04,160 through the vendor's list, um it was 3930 02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:08,240 very detailed on the way that the money 3931 02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:10,880 was going out and being spent. And so I 3932 02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:12,640 greatly appreciate that. Very easy to 3933 02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:15,280 read. Um shouldn't have many questions. 3934 02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,439 So, thank you very much. 3935 02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:20,080 >> Thank you. Any other comments? Seeing 3936 02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:21,520 none, all those in favor signify by 3937 02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:22,080 saying I. 3938 02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:23,120 >> I. I. 3939 02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:24,960 >> Opposed, same sign. Motion carries 3940 02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:26,000 unanimously. 3941 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:28,399 >> And 7.2 minutes for March 16th. 3942 02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:29,280 >> Motion to approve. 3943 02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:30,720 from Berg. She's on a 3944 02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:32,640 roll tonight. Any seconds? Second from 3945 02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,120 Miss Lky. Any comments or changes? 3946 02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:36,720 Seeing none, all those in favor signify 3947 02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:38,560 by saying I. I. 3948 02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:40,399 >> Oppos. Same sign. Motion carries 3949 02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:42,640 unanimously. Item eight, Mr. Felen. Any 3950 02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:44,399 comments this evening? Thank you, Al 3951 02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:46,560 Gasser. 3952 02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:50,240 >> Well said. Well said. 3953 02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:51,600 All right, with that, we'll move on to 3954 02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:53,040 item nine, mayor and council member 3955 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:54,560 comments. Uh, Miss Oowki, any comments 3956 02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:55,040 this evening? 3957 02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:57,439 >> I'm going to have to ditto Mr. Feland. 3958 02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,680 It was a pleasure meeting you so and 3959 02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:02,640 getting to work with you. So, thank you, 3960 02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:03,439 >> Miss Berg. 3961 02:35:03,439 --> 02:35:06,000 >> Likewise. And then to address a a a 3962 02:35:06,000 --> 02:35:07,600 question that was brought up during 3963 02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:10,000 public uh comment um regarding the 3964 02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:12,319 conflict of interest on assessments, we 3965 02:35:12,319 --> 02:35:14,240 still have to fall within North Dakota 3966 02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:17,920 Century Code Law on how our own homes 3967 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,720 are assessed. What is it 5% of the true 3968 02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:22,720 and full value? 3969 02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:23,200 >> 10 3970 02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:27,040 >> 10%. So that is still still applies to 3971 02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:28,560 all of us. So thank you. 3972 02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:30,240 >> Thank you, Miss Berg. Uh Miss Lansky, 3973 02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:31,920 any comments this evening? Um, I want to 3974 02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:34,319 say thank you and congratulations to Kim 3975 02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:37,040 Green Doll on her retirement and um, I 3976 02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:38,800 think what she did for the Greenway was 3977 02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:41,760 pretty amazing. I had the opportunity to 3978 02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:43,439 work with her on quite a few projects. 3979 02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:44,880 So, thank you, Kim. 3980 02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:46,800 >> Thank you, Miss Linsky. Mr. Fredol, any 3981 02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:47,760 comments? 3982 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:48,720 >> No, sir. 3983 02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:49,920 >> All right. Hope you're feeling better 3984 02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:50,800 soon. 3985 02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:51,520 >> Thank you, 3986 02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:52,880 >> Mr. Van. Any comments? 3987 02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:55,200 >> No, I'd probably reiterate what Todd had 3988 02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:57,040 just said. Thank you, Al, for all those 3989 02:35:57,040 --> 02:35:59,600 years of work. It's uh it's been a long 3990 02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:01,200 ride and thank you much. You've 3991 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,439 accomplished much. 3992 02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:05,760 >> Oh, perfect. Vice President Wel, 3993 02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:07,680 >> uh just thank you to Alan Kim for their 3994 02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:09,760 service to our community. Um also to 3995 02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,920 mention Mr. Crossnik, he is right. Um I 3996 02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:13,359 was wrong last week when I said you 3997 02:36:13,359 --> 02:36:14,560 could find out the owner is the 3998 02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:17,200 registered agent and so I apologize for 3999 02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:20,160 that. Um but that's all I have. 4000 02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:21,200 >> All right. Thank you, Vice President. 4001 02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:22,399 Welcome President Sandy. 4002 02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:24,960 >> Stan's terrible. 4003 02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:26,640 >> He's been growing a mustache ever since 4004 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:30,080 going on. Yeah. Yeah. Uh kudos to 4005 02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:33,439 Grasser and Kim, of course. Uh they're 4006 02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:36,640 uh two great citizens that uh work 4007 02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,200 tirelessly for the community and they 4008 02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:41,200 should be applauded for all their 4009 02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:45,920 efforts. Um mayor, also uh the um 4010 02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:50,640 residential uh property tax uh uh 4011 02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:53,040 abatement that we provide is a rubber 4012 02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:55,920 stamp. We don't need to vote, find 4013 02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:57,680 someone else to vote on it whether we 4014 02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:59,439 have a property or not because everyone 4015 02:36:59,439 --> 02:37:01,600 that applies gets it. It has nothing to 4016 02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:03,359 do with the people that are sitting up 4017 02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:06,640 here. Also, I do want to point out uh 4018 02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:08,479 the that we did hear from a lot of 4019 02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:10,800 people today about their property tax 4020 02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:14,000 valuations increasing dramatically. Um 4021 02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:17,760 mine did as well. Um, we also have to 4022 02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:19,600 understand and take it with a grain of 4023 02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:22,720 salt that um, our effective property tax 4024 02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:24,720 rate in Grand Forks for residential 4025 02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,359 housing is 1.54%. 4026 02:37:27,359 --> 02:37:29,920 So, I'm not saying it isn't money. It 4027 02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:32,399 is, but a $10,000 increase in your 4028 02:37:32,399 --> 02:37:35,600 valuation equates to $154 4029 02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:38,399 total increase for the year in your 4030 02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:40,720 property taxes, which of course divided 4031 02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:44,640 by 12 is what? $15 a month in your 4032 02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:46,640 mortgage payment. It's not that it's not 4033 02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:49,200 money. It is money. It's real money to a 4034 02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,520 lot of people, but we also have to 4035 02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:54,160 recognize that that um and try to keep 4036 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,960 it in perspective. Um Mayor, I do 4037 02:37:56,960 --> 02:38:00,000 appreciate uh uh all the efforts that so 4038 02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,600 many people in the assessing department 4039 02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:03,680 do for our community. Also trying to be 4040 02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:04,960 fair. Thank you. 4041 02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:06,800 >> I appreciate that. That made me think 4042 02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:08,800 right there. My assessment I think went 4043 02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:10,399 up 50,000. It's really awkward if you 4044 02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:12,160 are up here and then you go around there 4045 02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:13,600 and protest and then come back and sit 4046 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:16,800 down. So that's why I didn't protest. Um 4047 02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:18,319 the only other thing I wanted to add is 4048 02:38:18,319 --> 02:38:19,920 I think uh just just some some more 4049 02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:22,160 words for for Mr. Grasser. I think uh 4050 02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:24,640 anytime it it rains hard in this town, a 4051 02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:26,160 lot of people sleep pretty soundly 4052 02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:27,359 because of the work that you've done and 4053 02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:29,920 they know in the spring um that we're 4054 02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:30,960 going to be safe, that we're not going 4055 02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:33,280 to flood. you've gone above and beyond 4056 02:38:33,280 --> 02:38:36,000 um over many many years and I think a 4057 02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:37,439 community owes you a debt of gratitude, 4058 02:38:37,439 --> 02:38:40,319 a debt of service for that and uh not 4059 02:38:40,319 --> 02:38:41,840 just the flood protection but the 4060 02:38:41,840 --> 02:38:43,120 infrastructure throughout the city is 4061 02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:45,200 very robust and um engineering 4062 02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:46,880 department has been formed in in your 4063 02:38:46,880 --> 02:38:48,960 image and I think it's uh in a very good 4064 02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:51,040 place and very good hands moving into 4065 02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:53,200 the future. So really appreciate uh a 4066 02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:55,600 job well done. So thank you for that and 4067 02:38:55,600 --> 02:38:56,720 we'll leave it at there if someone's 4068 02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:58,399 ready to motion. 4069 02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:00,640 >> Motion for Mosowski, second from Berg. 4070 02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,960 All those in favor signify by saying I. 4071 02:39:02,960 --> 02:39:03,439 >> I. 4072 02:39:03,439 --> 02:39:04,880 >> Oppos. Same sign. Motion carries 4073 02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:07,880 unanimously.