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full
fun county contract.

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But um it's difficult when we've got
such a high percentage of our staff and

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benefits going to employees in our
entire budget to start, you know,

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saying, "Well, you can't have new
pencils and you can't have new paper and

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you can't I mean, we don't want to we
don't want to I I don't want to. I guess

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I can't speak for the rest of the
commission, but I don't want to go

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through piece by piece by piece. Okay,
you get less $450 and you get less

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$1,200. And when you start doing all of
that to add up to a significant number

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in the budget for some programs, that
can be a lot. I mean, substantial.

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What if we can't get any office
supplies? What if we can't use the

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copier? Things like that. um in giving
half to the county contracts and you're

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providing this spreadsheet
that would be

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a reduction of
you're looking at just the contracted

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services.
>> I'm looking just at contracted services.

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» Well, this includes contracted services,
economic development, and historical

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suspect. Great.
So, it's about $100,000 different.

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That's got to be more than that.
>> Yeah. We would have to lower the general

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fund budget by 42,600
as opposed to the 69418.

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If we did that, that would do $100,000

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approximately, right?
Well, we would so the difference between

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the 694181
and the 42,600 would be the difference

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um
the amount we would save if we cut these

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in half, but we'd still have to reduce
the general fund.

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» Great. Great.
>> Um then I have another Can I ask another

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question, Madam Chair?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Really quick.

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» Sorry.
On the subject of the historical

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that we we do have an agreement with the
historical society that we will levy a

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quarter of a mill and if we choose to go
below that um it requires 60 days notice

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of the budget approved so

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» you're saying we can't cut it
>> not for this year I think the deadline

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something should learn to
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» make a note of that for next year. Now,
>> okay,

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» might be zero next year.
>> So, when we're looking at cash

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and my spreadsheet, whether it's the
first one or the second one, the

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spreadsheet for cash, one is well, it's
both. 14,355,82.

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Is that correct?
>> Yes. And that's what we have in the bank

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right now.
>> No, that would be the estimates.

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» Okay.
>> For the end of

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» Do you know what we have in the bank
right now? I'm sorry. I'm asking all

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these questions. I don't mean to
>> send out this budget to actual because

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there was a question on the cash.
>> Yeah,

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» it was 18 million um at the end of June,
but that also includes

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all the funds that are listed below the
general fund. The general fund actually

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had um a balance at the end of June of
21,516

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um projected at the end of the year at
14 million 522.

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and Colleen. Um, I I can't remember what
I had for lunch yesterday, but it seems

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to me that in recent years when we've
looked at balancing the budget, and

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maybe you or some of the commission
members can remember or staff, um, it

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seems to me that was it last year that
we spent 12 million to buy down the

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budget or was that
>> cash to buy them?

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» Yeah, I don't think it was that much. I
don't know.

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» Oh, it wasn't that much.
>> $12 million.

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» But right now,
guesstimate,

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we have $12 million in cash carry for
approximate

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guesstimated or 14 million, I'm sorry.
Um right now

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even if we if we sitting right here and
if I said okay instead of doing the cuts

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the whatever the whatever and if we
needed to take cash carry forward to

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fund the rest of the budget with the 3%
increase on our taxes how much would

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that cost?

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If we if we took if we looked at the
budget right now and had a 3% increase

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for taxes, how much cash carry forward
would it cost to buy to to fund the

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budget right where we're at right now?

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» To get under the cap.
>> Oh. Um, so if

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the Well, it depends if you're cutting
the contract.

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» Well, do it without first, right?
>> And then do it with I'm sorry, I got a

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calculator
181. Um,

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» 69481 is with contracted services.
>> Yes, we need to cut the general fund

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budget.
I mean, we can reduce the cash. I don't

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know the amount of 10.
>> Do we know? I'm sorry I'm asking those

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questions. Do we know, and maybe Sheriff
Schneider can help me with this, do we

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know if there's any uh movement on the
uh contract with DOC right now or not

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for the beds at the jail?
So, um, Chair Hagen, members of the

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commission, just I just checked with
Miss Miss Morstead, and if I'm recalling

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our budget for 2025 correctly, we have
approximately just over a million, I

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believe it's 1.1 million in revenue from
housing out of county prisoners. Uh, we

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could potentially, we got our
certificate of occupancy, so we could

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potentially start housing people
possibly even next week or this weekend.

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in the new pod. Uh the doc contract is
not finalized, but I just had a meeting

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with some federal partners yesterday. We
had meetings with federal partners two

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weeks ago asking for beds. Uh we could
obviously start selling those beds as

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soon as we occupy or can get staff to
staff it. And uh with 156 days left this

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year and we sell 72 beds off, leaving a
couple for ourselves. Uh that's that's

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obviously starting tomorrow, which isn't
going to happen. That's over a million

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dollars,
uh that we could add to the revenue that

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was not accounted for this year. Uh the
other thing with with Miss Horstead's

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numbers as far as the uh revenue from
the beds, something that wasn't

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clarified is by dropping the number from
60 beds to 72 beds doesn't mean those 12

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beds are going to be full of prisoners
from this the county of Grand Forks.

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Like I just said, we've had two meetings
and they want as many beds as they can

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get right now. The intention of that is
to allow us some flexibility. So if we

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do have an influx of prisoners, we could
house people in those. But when we're

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not housing people there, we can sell
those beds off as well. So in actuality,

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we should still be very very close to
the 2.68 million revenue for 2026 on

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those beds, even if we retain 12 extra
out of the 72. Is the federal

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reimbursement rate per day different
than the one we're talking about with

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the state doc?
>> Not yet. We're locked in. I found out

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we're locked in until uh December, but
they're all willing to renegotiate um

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for January.
>> So, I remember did we change it to that

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number or not?
>> No. No.

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» There was 72 beds in the original. not
even the original, the amended design by

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the former administration,
uh they worked on adding an additional

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10 beds to the unit, but the
conversation with the state was always

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for the 72,
>> right?

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» So that would pick us up an extra 10 at
the county side. I mean, DOCR just did

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their inspection and we got dinged in
several areas and one of them was over

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bunking areas because we're not meeting
the criteria, the amount of space these

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prisoners need to actually get up and
walk.

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» Yeah,
>> we can no longer trip, it's called

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triple bunking. We can no longer throw a
boat on the floor and say sleep here.

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Can't do it. We're in violation. We
continue to do it. We won't have to

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worry about renting to anybody. Um, so
we got to make modifications for that.

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Uh, and that's, you know, part of that
is something that I hate doing and

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that's throwing criminals back on the
street so they can come steal your

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stuff, do whatever, run from the police,
and then we got nowhere to put them.

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Well, we got to lock them up for a day,
so we got to throw somebody else back on

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the street. So, I mean, the jail wasn't
built for the state to house pen

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prisoners there. I I get that. I get
both sides of the argument. I get that

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we can't afford it. I'm not arguing that
either. Right? But the reality is if we

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want to do our job to try to keep people
locked up or throw people in jail that

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need to be thrown in jail, even if it is
for a day or a night, we need to retain

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a couple beds on it. We'll sell the
rest. We got to have some room. We can't

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we can't just sell every single bed
that's there and try to make new beds to

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sell those to pay for this. So, we'll
sell as many as we can. I mean, that's

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that's our objective, right? If if
you're not using it, let somebody that

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can use it use it.

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» All right, go for it. Um, Colleen, with
the budget that we have sitting in front

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of us, we don't have any contract
dollars put in from Department of

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Corrections at this point. Am I correct
in that assumption?

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» We increase the prisoner board payment
3.29.

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Okay,
>> that would increase to reflect 60 beds

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to the state.
>> Okay,

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» but you could increase that number. What
I'm saying is we would sell the beds

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that we're not using. I just want to
have a little control over maybe 12

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beds. That'd be great.
>> We're going to sell them. So, you could

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probably increase that number by another
300,000 safely, if not more.

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» Back to where it was originally with the
82 beds.

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And I would like to
>> I would like to move a motion

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» to use
694,000

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or whatever it is to balance the budget
including the 3% tax increase

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um using cash carry forward to balance
the budget for the 2026 year.

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» The way they are. keeping the contracted
services the way they are and um doing

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the change in the well that's already
been made the change in the um employee

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uh HR coming in monthly instead of all
frontloaded um but that would be my

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motion using cash carry forward plus the
3% increase in taxes um to balance the

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2026 bud
>> and the dollar amount is that going to

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change will
But I

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» But I'm just saying like with the
motion, does it have to be dollar

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specific? Can it just be cash carried
forward? Because if we make any

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adjustments to the budget,
>> that's a question for you.

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» Do we have to um do we have to say the
very exact dollar amount or just say

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cash carry forward to balance the budget
of no more than

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$700,000?

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Is that okay?
Will $700,000 cut it?

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» Okay, I make that motion.
>> I

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added 300.
>> Yep. Okay. I I make that motion.

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» I'm going do it all then. Number one,
that's exactly the reason we're in the

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shape we're in right now. Continuing to
take money to pay operational expenses

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out of cash reserve. I got my 12 pages.
Here we go. because you put you threw a

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motion on the floor for you could even
talk. So, let's go. Um,

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now I got the floor. So, get comfortable
everyone. Um, starting with this page

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here.
Um,

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you have a show two Yak attendants at
212107

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and somewhere else I found him at 161
whatever. So, how'd it go up $50,000?

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One sheet says one number, one sheet
says the other.

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» This
sheet is just the cost of it without I

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mean that's the cost of what it costs to
add to

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» Okay. So the 161 is the real cost.
That's what it cost to hire, right?

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» Okay. That's what I make sure.
>> Okay. down below. Next, you have 3% step

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at the number, 2 and a half% cola at the
number. So, if you give a 3% step and a

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two and a four two and 4% cola, how does
that only equal 300,000?

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Because 181 and 222 is 403
866.

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And this is not supposed to I don't
understand how that works because if a

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step is that a cost and a cola is that
cost then if we get a colon a step

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shouldn't those two cost come together
and make a number which is higher than

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that number
>> well and the so on the one sheet we have

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the negative 80,000 that's due to
getting a step

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this year which isn't
>> okay I'm looking I'm looking at this one

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So, not everyone has received their step
>> yet.

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» This is the one I'm looking at.
>> So, I am baffled by

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shouldn't a step and a cola
equal a step and a cola.

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» 22. If it's if the step is 180, that's
the cost and the cola that's the cost.

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Didn't you add those two together
because we're going to give a cola and a

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stem?

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» Have I got everyone back?
>> No.

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» Um, would that be because on on a cola
and a step the steps on the adversary

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date colas are effective Jan one.
>> Well, I did that because

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» so it's not a cumulative increase. It's
an increase and then another increase

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later on at at an anniversary date. That
makes sense.

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» They don't all get the same step at the
same time.

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» Maybe I was just doing wrong, but to me,
if it says the step cost 181737,

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that's what it's going to cost for the
whole year for all employees to be

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stepped. Is that right?
Because if then in the cola for the

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whole year for every employee is 222
and it should be a little over 400.

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Okay. I I we can decide that on one
Tuesday night, I guess. But I don't

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understand it. I'm not afraid to say it.
So maybe I'm just not getting it, but I

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I to me 1 plus 1 is two if that's the
numbers. So I I don't understand that

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one. So that
okay worksheet.

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Okay.

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When I went through here, we're have
showing a mill. This is the one here.

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We're showing a mill increase of 4.04%.

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And on this document, it states that the
3.47%

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of that 4.04
is because of new growth. Is that

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correct? And so then the actual value
increase for the county

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was 0.57.
So basically the value barely went up

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for the whole county and that 3.47 is
all the new buildings whoever whatever

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came on this that and all that. Am I
understanding that correctly?

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» Okay. Thank you.

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discussion.
>> Yeah, I have to talk.

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» Okay. I thought this was switching the
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» No, this is the budget.
>> I'm on the budget.

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» I'm on the budget. I'm not No, I'm not.
No, this is all budget all day. No, we

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» there is a time limit. I don't know if
there is for how long, you know, full

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pages.
>> Well, the time limits when when we're

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done with the meeting. Uh we'll take a
break if we need to. We uh this is too

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important of a deal to be worried about
time. Um

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that one.

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Okay. On this page,

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I got two questions. Number one, this
would be for Miss Wstead. Uh on the

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left, far left, not there often. Uh
starting with the

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Uh, historical society.
>> Yeah, I'll wait. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's it. Okay. I just want to
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not going to happen again. So, the
historical, we have to give them 60-day

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notice,
>> correct? People's going to release it

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below the 0.25 mills.
>> Okay. And we're at 2.5 ms

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» now. Correct.

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» That's what the request.
>> So we are less than

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» hope that she allow this and senior
citizens. That's a vote. So we have no

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say in the matter. Correct. The city
voted I think it was 1974

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for one mill

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» 1988.

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Every day we find more stuff we can't
touch. I can't balance the budget.

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» Okay. Emergency fund we can address. We
can control that. The veteran service we

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control.

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» Right. Right. Uh extension service

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want to discontinue the tax levy.
>> Well, I don't want to discontinue, but

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can we can we modify the amount they
request? Today they asked for I'm just

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gonna make me remember. Say they asked
for 100,000. Can we decide to cut it to

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If you want I can we can skip that and
you come back to that if you want me to

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get that. Okay. Health department we we
can control that right

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» that's subject to a contract we have
with

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» right special assessments we control
state tax we do not garrison diversion

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we do not water resource board which is
different from the

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joint water resolution. So the water
resource board can we reduce what they

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asked for?

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Well I look I I know the joint water we
cannot touch that. We cannot touch the

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amlets because that's voted on. We
cannot touch the soil conversation

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conservation.

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That just leaves the water resource
board, the library, and I know we can do

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the library as long as the city
branches.

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So regard to the water resource board
commissioners can either disapprove

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their budget, amend and approve their
budget, amend it or approve the budget

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as
>> Okay.

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» So we can amend it. We can Okay. And
then the library

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subject to an agreement with the city
that pertains to the library which

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requires us.

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» Right. But I'm not saying but if they
ask for X we can reduce

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as long as we maintain funding. I'm not
talking about eliminating. I'm just

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saying if they asked for X can we cut X
some? the agreement um with the city

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provides that we will

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» So you're saying we have to limit four
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» Oh, the city request
>> two.

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» Okay. The library request or the city
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» The library city department. So
>> it must come through the city then.

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» Yes. So if the city would have to ask us
to fund more

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if we if we tried to cut it they'd say
no that we'd have done.

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» So I think our agreement for the library
services is that um we will fund their

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request up to a maximum of four. So if
they ask to go above that we can deny

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it. So
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they asked for a $400,000 raise this
year we would have to give it to them.

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Okay. Okay. The city would have to do
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» if it's within that.
>> Yeah. But not the library board.

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» The library board.
>> The library board runs the library, but

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if it's a city department, I would
assume the mayor would have a final say.

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» Library board is admin is an
administrative.

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» The our agreements with the library
board. I can't speak to

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what I can say is it's a um it's a city
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» Yeah.
>> That we contract with to provide

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services which is different than some
structure.

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» Okay. I'll need a copy of that contract
and uh Okay. Is there an opt out clause

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in there?
>> No.

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» The contract is that
>> the library director submits the library

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budget to the mayor's office. Yeah. And
then that's when the

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» library board is adversarial only. The
library board doesn't make

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» any questions for him about the library
and the budget.

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» I'll get a hold of. So basically the way
I'm hearing it is the city decides what

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the county has to pay for the library.
Am I wrong in that comment? I think the

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library budget and maybe the two is
approved by the library.

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It's adversarial I believe but we don't
have like the final say on this is what

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we're spending. No,
>> it's a review budget basically.

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» We acknowledge that dollar amount and
take that forward to the city, but

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there's no um
>> the the board is adversarial. The board

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doesn't say, "Oh, you're giving this
dollar amount to this board to this

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library member. We don't agree with I
mean, we're not it's not micromanaged at

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all."
>> Well, the library director presents it,

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we review it, ask questions, and then
that's what gets submitted for final

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review.

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» Okay. Oh, that's right. If I want to cut
it today, could I make a motion to cut

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the budget for the library? I can't make
it any simpler.

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» That contract.
>> Okay. I'll need a copy of the contract.

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Not today, but if printed on the 85
on August 5th, can you just give it to

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me then? Print. Okay. And I'll meet with
the city on that myself. Okay. So, I'll

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work on the library and the extension. I
hope everyone understands what we're

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doing to ourselves here. We have 63
pairs of handcuffs on our budget. We

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have all these things.
And when when the taxes go up, do the

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people go the oh the water board ra
raised oh the library no you know who

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raised taxes the county commission
raised taxes. It's this is bad way to do

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it. We're we're we got to give money to
people and we literally have no say.

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That's nutso.
>> But the services that we provide

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shouldn't cost any more money and the
services that were mandated by our

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century code. Well, Gracie Graciey's
making a list of the century code. We'll

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we'll be going after that come next
session. The point

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» years.
>> Yeah.

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» A year and a half.
>> I'm a dog with a

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» happen every month. Every year.
>> I know. And maybe some of these

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questions should have been asked by
commissioners the last 20 years. But I

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digress.
So, uh I'll wait for the ext answer on

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the extension service and I will get
with the city on the library and get a

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copy of the contract as soon as we go
there. But you whittle down your

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opportunities. You know, we sit here
discussing about trying to give an

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employees raise. Well, time to get
through all the people we can't cut.

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There's not much left.
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and I just want to mention a side note
on the cash balance. You've got a $5

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million sheriff building payment due
down the road. And when you keep kicking

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the can down the road, that's why at the
end of the road you have a lot of cans.

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You've got a potential. We're using
software from whatever decade that's out

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so far out of date. And by the way, I
still need a price on that. I want to

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know the price to get the right software
that does everything. So, we got old

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software. We got a building we got to
pay for.

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Uh, we've got a potential remodel of the
courthouse.

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You just you keep spending it. We just
run out of money one day. Just a point

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of clarific

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but but what we have now as they say is
so out of date and we can't inter it

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doesn't interface
>> uh no I'm talking about the whole city

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system we can't update our payroll
system a county I'm sorry the county

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system the payroll doesn't talk to it
whatever we got to replace everything so

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we can become efficient when she she
talked about that uh that we can't do it

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right now because it doesn't
>> chitchat.

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» Well, that's what I'll talk about. I
want to know the price for everything

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because you know what? If we don't have
prices and we don't plan

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just going to keep getting worse. That's
why that stuff's got to be on like the

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the six-year capital improvement plan.
So, let's just say it's half a million.

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I have no idea. Let's just say it's
500,000. We got to pick a year and stick

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it on there. 500 grand so we're ready.
Otherwise, we just keep using old

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payroll and just keep using those time
cards.

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» I'll bring that to the August 5th
commission meeting, Commissioner Beri.

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So,
>> I just I see the best guess you guess on

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the money just so I can
>> still has that. We'll bring it up on the

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Okay. and also not only the cost upfront
but then what you would end up having to

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pay either monthly or annually to
continue to utilize that soft

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because there is a cost involved it's
not free

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» we could just go back to pads and pans
that's fine with me but I just ch why

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not have the plow guys drive around with
pickups with half a blade on I mean th

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this job is just as important as their
other job and the people should have

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up-to-date equipment which is the
software otherwise we can't. Well,

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that's why you still keep doing time
cards. I I'm not going to go through

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this in detail, but this is I asked Mr.
Ford to show you how much money we're

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not going to be collecting as we
continue to let people not pay taxes.

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You just made a motion to raise taxes.
Here's a list of all the people that

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aren't paying their fair share,
>> their previous years. Well, I'm

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» and some have already been paid off and
I believe in 2026,

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the end of 2026, we will see one of the
tiff or one of the pilot programs end

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and then that will go into the tax
space. Am I correct on that?

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» Yeah, some of them end in 2049, which I
won't be around to see uh on the capital

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improvements plan. Oh, tail toes. Uh, at
one point last year, you had re-roofing

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the jail. Where are we at? The old jail.
And that's not on here.

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» That that got approved. That got
approved for capital improvements this

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year. That project is in place and CL
has been

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» with this for the old
>> No, no. I I meant uh I'm sorry, the old

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part of the current jail. Uh originally
there was a plan to re-root for over a

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three-year phase.
>> That's on there.

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» Okay. What what's it under?
>> That's on that. That's on that plan.

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» What year?
>> I believe 27

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» receal jail syines. No.

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Okay, I can't find her.

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That would be
it wouldn't uh Bill I don't think it

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would be on the sheep coin handed out
because this is for 26.

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» I got I got a fiveyear plan.
>> Okay.

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» It it's
I I know it's in my list. I don't know.

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» I can't say why it's why it's in print.
>> Okay, that's fine.

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» On the format that you're in here, but I
>> I do know it's on there.

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» Okay. Can you email me that?
>> And originally the plan was to regroup

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over three years.
>> Yes.

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» I'd like to look at it, which obviously
you pay mobilization cost every year.

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» Inevitable.
>> It's going to cost more. I'd like to see

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a plan of what it would cost to pay it
in one.

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» Yeah.
>> If you could put vocals,

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» that goes back to plan. So there's other
roof stuff you got to have. You spend

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your cash reserves down and and if you
do it three years instead of one year,

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you're going to pay more for that, too.
It's going to cost you more.

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Um,

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okay.
I'm going to go through this Jack stuff.

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I know you guys don't want to do it, but
I I'm the math guy, so I just want to

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make sure you see what you're doing
here. First of all, just say this.

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There's a reason 50 other counties don't
have it. Either they're too small that

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they can add. Um if you look at this one
here

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uh
you have on here additional jail cos.

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Does that mean we can house people in
those beds that are on the other side?

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Because why else would we be hiring jail
cos?

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» That was just that for adult housing.
>> Okay. Can we use that for adult housing?

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» But it wouldn't be very You're talking
the 16 beds.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.

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» Well, if it's 16 bids at $100 a day
would be 1648,

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600,000.

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» 1,600 times 365 584.
So, what do we get on a daily basis for

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the youth that we have housed in that
facility?

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» 350. So, 350 compared to 100?
>> No. No. I'll get to that.

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» That's Yeah,
>> you don't want to get in that battle

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with me.
Trust me, that's 5484,000 in revenue

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» for that. The total if you want to go
back to that the total revenue for the

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act for the year is
614 631 let me see I have it in here

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» 6 614500
right so it's basically the same however

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that 584 would pay for those four more
jailers it would pay for the two

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deputies to transport
uh as far as the people who are would be

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laid off the jail's hiring
uh cost of the vehicles if they last 5

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years each would be 30,000 a year. So
the point being we would save money. I

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know you guys aren't interested but uh
I'm just telling you we're getting

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00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,400
played like a set of areas from the
state and the other regions the other

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,920
counties in this region.
>> What about our kids in this county that

422
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,280
have needs?
>> What about them?

423
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,920
» I'll get to it.
>> What about the teenagers and the kids

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00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,480
that have
>> Madam Chair? Do I have the floor?

425
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,359
Thank you.
>> Uh let's talk about Well, I'll get to

426
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,119
that. Uh the issue is
we are we are there's something called

427
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:33,760
fixed costs. We have this building
available for the state and all these

428
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:40,320
other counties at any time at their beck
and call. The fee we charge them in no

429
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:44,480
way, shape, or form comes close to
compensating our fixed cost. That

430
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:47,839
building is there 247. We're paying on
it. We have to heat it. We have to cool

431
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,359
it. the staff's there. Whether there's
somebody there from another county or

432
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,640
not, we should be drawing up contracts
with every county that wants to even

433
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,800
think about putting something there. You
have to have a contract with us that

434
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,880
pays a fixed cost fee. And you also
should then pay a fee per child. We

435
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:07,280
should set the same kind of contract up
with the state. They love to have that

436
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,680
and have that available,
but they don't want to have that

437
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,119
building. They want us to have it. And
so what we're doing is the citizens of

438
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:21,520
Grand Forks, let's just say we don't
hire the two, whatever, the county of

439
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:26,960
Grand Forks is paying $1.32
million a year to subsidize the state of

440
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:32,320
North Dakota and the regions in this
area. And if we want to keep this, then

441
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:38,000
let's get on this and get this and get
some contracts written. They're they're

442
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,599
killing us. They're they have this thing
available, but they're not paying

443
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:46,160
anywhere close to what it costs to be
available. The sheriff doesn't patrol

444
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Trail County.
We don't do the books for Walls County.

445
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:56,400
We don't plow for Steel County. We're
we're taking in an entire region of

446
00:37:52,560 --> 00:38:01,680
stuff and they will drop someone off
when they want for this amount of time

447
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,760
and then it's done. And we still have
all those bills to have that brand new

448
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:11,760
spanking state-of-the-art building there
ready 247 365.

449
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:15,599
» Robin talk.
>> So I did have a meeting this morning

450
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:19,040
about
>> contracting with the city of Grand Forks

451
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,200
because the majority of the kids that we
get are coming from the police

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00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,440
department to have them pay an overhead
to have the availability of having the

453
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:33,280
center put twice. It won't be able to
look be looked at until the 2027 budget.

454
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:36,880
Obviously, it's too late for 2026, but I
did speak with Lisa Jonner. She said

455
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,640
it's difficult to do an overhead fee
when you're also charging daily rates to

456
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,760
the other counties and they are paying a
daily rate. So,

457
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,320
» well, I would love to look at an
overhead fee versus the daily rate then

458
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:52,000
because
>> but the problem with that is I can't

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00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:55,920
guarantee. So, I mean, especially with
my not potentially closing down, leaving

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00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,839
us as one of the only two detention
facilities in the entire state. I got a

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00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:04,480
phone call yesterday from Wisconsin
looking for a bed for a juvenile. No

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00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,960
beds in Iowa, no beds in Minnesota, no
beds in Michigan, no beds in South

463
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:13,119
Dakota, no beds in Illinois. Juvenile
beds are a hot commodity. They're going

464
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:16,160
to sell and I can't guarantee beds to
people because that puts us in a

465
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,640
situation where we don't have beds for
our own.

466
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,800
» I'm I'm
I'm just bringing it up. Keep doing the

467
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:30,079
way you want it. Keep writing off those
losses. Keep raising those taxes. It's

468
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:34,000
it's try go talk to anything anybody
about fixed costs. We are we are losing

469
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:38,480
our shirts on this and we should not be
doing this. We should not be subsidizing

470
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,920
the state of North Dakota. The county
taxpayers are paying for county

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00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,240
services. They're not paying for Benson
County, Trail County, Walsh County,

472
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:51,599
state of North Dakota, etc., etc., etc.,
etc. And that's what we're doing in this

473
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:56,240
plan. So, if you guys are happy, I still
have the floor.

474
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:01,320
I love Robert's rules of orders. All
right, I want to get to u

475
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,040
want to get to the cars in the sheriff's
department.

476
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Um go out here again. Uh I would like to
see a comparison between the state bid

477
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:23,839
for the Explorer versus the towel for
the four cylinder and the six-cylinder.

478
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:30,160
the cabin space,
the gas tank, how many gallons it holds,

479
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:35,200
and the city highway MPG,
the cost of the individual items that

480
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:41,280
make it, the car, the cage, all the
stuff they have to do, and the cost to

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00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:45,200
install it, who's doing it.
Uh, I also

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00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:50,800
» over show you.
>> All right, you get it all together and

483
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:55,480
just flatten an email.
in paper. Thank you.

484
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Well, I don't I'll look through this.
I also

485
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,240
I know there's going to be a
disagreement. I would like to give all

486
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:17,359
the information concerning our leasing
program to Mr. forward and have him

487
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:24,000
contact
a business banker

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00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,599
and a CPA partner and have him analyze
those leases to see if it's better to

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00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,960
lease or to buy.
>> Mr. Mullins has already talked to

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00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Michelle Olsen, to Debbie Nelson, to
myself and Chief Deputy Stroberg. We've

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00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,319
given him all of the information. He
likes to disagree with it, even though

492
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:43,119
all three of us keep giving him the same
stuff. If you want to do it, feel free.

493
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,400
But we've already done it with him three
times. If he got to you and you want to

494
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,560
share that with other people and waste
their time, feel free.

495
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,040
» I will give it to Mr. Ford and the third
party can decide as far as I'm concerned

496
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,040
whether it's better to buy in cash or to
pay finance charges on a vehicle.

497
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,920
» I have a question. Can I ask that
question?

498
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,440
» Yeah, sure.
>> So, if we're asking a third party to do

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00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,560
that, do we have to pay for the third
party or do they do that for free?

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00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,720
» We'll ask them.
We'll bring it back if they have a

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00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,839
charge.
Now we're concerned about money.

502
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:22,319
Interesting. Um,
>> let's keep going.

503
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:26,960
» As far as the jail,
the jail wants the state wants all 72

504
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:32,560
beds. Apparently, that contract is
sitting somewhere.

505
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:37,359
I would like to be on the next agenda.
The contract for the state.

506
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:41,520
I'd like to have Mr. sponsor and her
represent or his representative on the

507
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:47,440
video and I want to know what we're
doing. We voted as a commission

508
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:51,839
unanimously months ago to rent 72 beds.
I'm ready to approve the contract. I'm

509
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:55,119
ready to approve the chair to sign it.
>> You don't have

510
00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,000
» That's why I want it on next meeting so
we can have one to look at. So, we've

511
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:05,880
been waiting months for this. So, we
voted 72 beds. Let's go.

512
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Um,

513
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,800
okay. He

514
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:27,520
I'm not sure. I just want to follow up
on it.

515
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:32,560
Do we owe approximately $700,000
to the builder of the sheriff's office?

516
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:37,839
I saw in the budget I found 300,000
budgeted. So, do we is that the only

517
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,440
amount we own? Are we making payments?
What? I'm not sure what's going on

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00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:44,960
there.
>> Sure.

519
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:48,400
» You're talking about the
>> I call the project alternates,

520
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,680
» right?
>> So, there was a million dollars budgeted

521
00:43:50,880 --> 00:44:00,880
for 2025 for the sheriff's office
facility. 300,000 was set aside to pay

522
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:06,880
the lease, waters, all that stuff for
this year. 700,000

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00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:12,960
was set aside for project alternates.
Commission approved up to 1.31

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00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:18,480
something million project alternates.
County Commission voted to pay 700,000

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00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:23,440
this year in project alternates, 300,000
next year in project alternates, and the

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00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:27,680
remaining balance plus interest, if any,
remaining balance in 2027.

527
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,680
» Can we pay that early?
>> You're talking to the wrong guy.

528
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,280
» Okay. Can we pay that early? We need to
find that out

529
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,960
because
>> the answer is yes, but I can't tell you

530
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,520
what you can and can't pay. He'll take
the payment early.

531
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,359
» Okay. That's what I'm asking about.
Yeah.

532
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,640
» Is there is there a no penalty? All
right. So, we should look at paying that

533
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,240
off early
>> because if we got money somewhere

534
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:56,760
collecting 3% interest and we're paying
7% interest to finance it, we're losing

535
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,760
money.

536
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,920
» Commission, you're talking about paying
early the alternates.

537
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,119
» Pay it all off next year.
>> The entire thing.

538
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
» Yes.
>> Okay. I And I can talk about this on the

539
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,079
5th. I asked Miss Mors to put it on the
agenda, but I did talk to Mr. Huner this

540
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,079
morning. So I have I'll have
information.

541
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:30,160
» Okay. I'm I'm not going to make too many
cuts till we'll see if this motion

542
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,040
passes and I got plenty of cuts to bring
forward if it fails.

543
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,480
» You done?
>> Yeah. Thank you.

544
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:43,079
We have a motion on the floor to be
staffed by ourselves into

545
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:53,240
I remember from 45 minutes ago.
>> All right. All those in favor?

546
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
» Mr.

547
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,160
» Yes.
>> Yes.

548
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:18,560
You sure can. I just want to acknowledge
the program managers of the county um

549
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:27,119
for their professionalism
and um really looking at cutting their

550
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:32,160
costs wherever they could. There were um
minimal increases

551
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:38,880
compared to quite a bit of decreases.
And I I um I believe or this may be a

552
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:44,240
personal issue, but I respect their
opinions. They're professionals. They're

553
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:52,000
trained in that subject content area.
And I just think we as a commission need

554
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:58,880
to um be appreciative of program
managers doing the best that they can in

555
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:05,440
making cuts and also working hard to
continue in getting contract with

556
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:09,200
various entities so that we can continue
to make improvements and I just want to

557
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,000
acknowledge that.
>> Oh uh Mr. forward. Ma'am, may I speak?

558
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,839
» Go ahead.
>> Scrap that about the third party. If we

559
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:21,160
don't care about money, we don't care
about money.

560
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,160
» So, don't bother looking into it.

561
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,440
» I'm sure public can decide that

562
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:35,920
contracted services
we need to talk about that anymore. Is

563
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:39,920
there anything else that we need to
>> Gormanfield public notice?

564
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:44,960
» I can speak to that sound quickly. Uh at
the at the last commission meeting um

565
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:50,000
the commission asked Mr. Magnus to send
out a notification within three miles of

566
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,480
the G field
>> for the paving of the runway.

567
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:58,880
» Yes.
>> Uh I spoke with Mr. Magnus yesterday.

568
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:02,640
» It's just it's not feasible for him. Uh
there's no master list. He'd have to

569
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,800
reach out to the post office. It would
be a pretty big expense to the county

570
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:10,800
and it wouldn't be done in time. uh and
he would have to manually input every

571
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:15,920
address which would take him days upon
days. Uh so with that in mind being the

572
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:20,319
commission to direct him to do three
miles he is asking to go back to the

573
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:24,400
standard of a onemation.
>> So we just need a motion to

574
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:28,960
» move
second. Is there any further discussion?

575
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,079
All those in favor of the motion please
say I.

576
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,079
» I oppos.