1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,400 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:19,360 So are there cookies. 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Cookies that's insane. 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,180 I mean. 5 00:00:28,180 --> 00:00:42,400 6 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,420 This is just like. 7 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:52,680 8 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,900 Yeah that's crazy. 9 00:00:54,900 --> 00:01:01,070 10 00:01:01,070 --> 00:01:23,750 Yeah OK he's I don't know. 11 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:24,490 Can you turn on. 12 00:01:24,490 --> 00:01:28,750 Just having the executive session 13 00:01:28,750 --> 00:01:31,470 is going to be all right. 14 00:01:31,470 --> 00:01:35,170 Is everybody doing this right. 15 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:37,830 16 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:40,250 Yeah The one executive that won't attend. 17 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:47,870 Yeah a little bit of legal guidance is always a good thing. 18 00:01:47,870 --> 00:01:54,870 It is 5:30 on Monday, May the 4, 2026. 19 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:58,410 And I will call our city manager. 20 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:01,690 Council workshop session 2. 21 00:02:01,690 --> 00:02:03,550 And as we start out with here tonight, 22 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:06,430 we have three discussion topics. 23 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:08,970 And we will be starting out with hitting 24 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:11,730 on property for discussion. 25 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:16,330 And Mike, if you want to start us off. 26 00:02:16,330 --> 00:02:17,350 Yes thank you mayor. 27 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:18,450 Members of council. 28 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:22,330 Tonight's discussion on the property for 29 00:02:22,330 --> 00:02:27,750 is a result of some changes to our ordinance over the years, 30 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:30,690 and then some recent communication with the council 31 00:02:30,690 --> 00:02:35,210 received related to camping along the river 32 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:36,990 and how to address that. 33 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,130 So we wanted to begin this discussion in two parts. 34 00:02:41,130 --> 00:02:44,630 First, our interim city attorney, Jeremiah Boyce, 35 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:47,730 is going to discuss language, how 36 00:02:47,730 --> 00:02:52,570 it was added into the ordinance and what that history was. 37 00:02:52,570 --> 00:02:54,070 That'll be a brief update. 38 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:56,940 And then following Jeremiah will. 39 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:58,800 I will invite our chief of police 40 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,100 to come up here next to me. 41 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,840 And he's going to give an overview 42 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,200 of how the city has dealt with this over the years since. 43 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,380 I'll let him go through. 44 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:12,920 When it started, I think it was around 2011. 45 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:17,520 And then what's changed this year due to the language 46 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,360 in the ordinance and then open that 47 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,820 up for discussion with council. 48 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:26,160 So first, we'll have Jeremiah talk about this. 49 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,620 Yeah OK. 50 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:28,680 Thank you. 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,000 So just to give a little background 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,280 on how we got to where we are now, 53 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,320 the current version of the ordinance 54 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,360 that we have on the books was passed in 2019. 55 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,200 And that is essentially a prohibition 56 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,640 of camping on public property. 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,600 The important caveat in the reason for this discussion 58 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,800 is there's a exception to our ability to enforce the camping 59 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,620 ordinance contained within there, 60 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:54,970 and that was based on Ninth Circuit case law. 61 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:57,910 The way back in 2019, in the case 62 00:03:57,910 --> 00:04:00,510 of Martin, the city of Boise. 63 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:02,590 And essentially in that case, there was a holding 64 00:04:02,590 --> 00:04:05,310 that they found it was a violation 65 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:09,070 of a constitutional right to enforce camping when there was 66 00:04:09,070 --> 00:04:11,510 no overnight shelter available. 67 00:04:11,510 --> 00:04:14,550 And so at the time, our ordinance, as it was passed, 68 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:18,630 was written to reflect the case law as it was at that time. 69 00:04:18,630 --> 00:04:22,310 Subsequent to that, in 2024, the United States Supreme Court 70 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:26,670 took up a case with very similar facts dealing with this very 71 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:29,830 specific holding from the Ninth Circuit, a case out 72 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:32,310 of Grants Pass, Oregon that we just simply 73 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:34,230 called the Grants Pass case. 74 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:37,790 And in that case, they overturned the Ninth Circuit 75 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:39,870 previous holding, and found that there 76 00:04:39,870 --> 00:04:42,990 was no constitutional violation for forcing a camping 77 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:45,110 ban on public property when there was 78 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:47,790 no overnight shelter available. 79 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:50,830 Subsequent to that, as council knows, 80 00:04:50,830 --> 00:04:54,420 our predominant dominant overnight shelter that we have 81 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:57,300 in town has permanently closed. 82 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,420 And thus, we're essentially in a position 83 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:02,580 where our camping ordinance becomes effectively 84 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:04,960 unenforceable because most of the time, 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,300 there is no overnight shelter available 86 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:09,980 just due to circumstances. 87 00:05:09,980 --> 00:05:11,320 And so that's how we got here. 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,500 And I guess I'll turn it back over to the city 89 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:15,540 manager for the rest of it. 90 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:17,180 Thank you chairman. 91 00:05:17,180 --> 00:05:17,900 All right. 92 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:19,460 Thank you Jeremiah. 93 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:20,840 You have to come up. 94 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:23,540 He has a presentation to walk through, 95 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:27,460 talking about the history of how we've addressed 96 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:31,780 camping in these spaces over the years, what 97 00:05:31,780 --> 00:05:33,780 our approach has been. 98 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:38,380 We've interacted with those who are camping 99 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,820 and connected them to services or at least 100 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:42,420 provided information. 101 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:50,300 And then how we go through the cleanup and what the reasonings 102 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,840 for taking that approach in the past. 103 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:58,480 And then where we're at today in the discussion. 104 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,720 Thank you. 105 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,240 So really, this is the city manager said as a high level 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,600 overview of what we've been doing 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,000 and where we currently sit today, have some photographs 108 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,500 for you to look at and just some different statistics, 109 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:15,600 and then answer any questions you 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:21,200 might have about what the process has been over the years. 111 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,040 So in 2011 we had a team, so homeless outreach team 112 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,120 and that team was really bridging 113 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,920 the gap between our homeless community, 114 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 nonprofit service providers that were out in the camps 115 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,720 pretty frequently. 116 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,680 And they identified some issues. 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,200 So really, we boil those down to risks to public safety, 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,200 risk to public health, risk to the environment and Wildlife 119 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,960 and a risk for wildfire. 120 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,730 So as a result, in 2011, we started doing camp cleanups. 121 00:06:52,730 --> 00:06:58,030 A lot of it was maybe camps that were abandoned and with debris 122 00:06:58,030 --> 00:07:02,230 left behind and literally were walking around with trash bags, 123 00:07:02,230 --> 00:07:04,150 picking things up, and quickly became 124 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:06,150 overwhelmed and realized that just 125 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:08,430 wasn't a sustainable approach. 126 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:12,110 So that is when we started looking at different contractors 127 00:07:12,110 --> 00:07:13,390 that might be able to come in and help 128 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:16,710 us with the hazardous waste disposal 129 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:18,830 stuff just in the landfill. 130 00:07:18,830 --> 00:07:20,170 Not really a great idea. 131 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:23,590 And so we have a company that really goes through 132 00:07:23,590 --> 00:07:27,750 and they separate trash from recycling from hazardous waste, 133 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:29,510 and then they dispose of all of that. 134 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:32,250 So they're taking tires to the dump in the right place, 135 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:34,070 mattresses and so forth, disposing 136 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:36,190 of meals properly and then taking stuff 137 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:37,770 to recycling what they can. 138 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:40,170 So that's where we developed. 139 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:44,190 And that's how we got to where we are today. 140 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:49,780 So process wise really there's two different categories. 141 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:52,060 And so the first category would be 142 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:54,300 public space owned by the city. 143 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:57,660 I think the riverfront salt flats, those kinds of big, more 144 00:07:57,660 --> 00:07:59,980 expansive areas that are really just open space 145 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:01,740 that are in the park. 146 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:03,820 Then you have public right of way, 147 00:08:03,820 --> 00:08:06,980 which is roads, sidewalks, medians, alleys 148 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:08,940 and those sorts of things. 149 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,940 This change that you're talking about tonight 150 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:15,040 does not impact the second piece there. 151 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,060 So roads, sidewalks, medians, alleys that's a different part. 152 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,900 So it's not really the focus is on the public space 153 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:26,020 and primarily the riverfront. 154 00:08:26,020 --> 00:08:31,700 So how the process works is we find a camp 155 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,320 and it's on city owned property. 156 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,100 It's down on the riverfront. 157 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:38,200 We go now, we make contact with the individuals living there, 158 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,740 and we try to work through some solutions 159 00:08:39,740 --> 00:08:41,440 for them, gain compliance. 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,780 We notify them that what they're doing is illegal. 161 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:47,710 And sometimes that process takes weeks. 162 00:08:47,710 --> 00:08:49,390 Sometimes it takes a couple days. 163 00:08:49,390 --> 00:08:51,710 It depends on the size of the camp, the occupants, 164 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:54,370 the level of cooperation and so forth. 165 00:08:54,370 --> 00:08:57,410 And really, our primary goal is to gain compliance 166 00:08:57,410 --> 00:09:00,890 and to get the camp cleaned up, get them someplace 167 00:09:00,890 --> 00:09:06,310 where they can be, and then link them up with services if we can. 168 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:08,330 And if they want services. 169 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:10,950 But like I said, there's no one size fits all. 170 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:14,950 Sometimes it takes us a month, sometimes it's a couple of days, 171 00:09:14,950 --> 00:09:17,550 but we don't go in and just clean up the camp. 172 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:19,810 The day that we find the exception to that 173 00:09:19,810 --> 00:09:23,810 would be just a bedroll, or if it's obviously an abandoned 174 00:09:23,810 --> 00:09:25,030 camp and it's just trash. 175 00:09:25,030 --> 00:09:26,130 There's no tents. 176 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:27,770 And yeah, we might clean that up a day. 177 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:28,270 We find it. 178 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:30,950 But if there's people living there, we don't do it that day. 179 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:32,430 We give them some time. 180 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:36,570 181 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:38,290 That's all there. 182 00:09:38,290 --> 00:09:41,590 So now moving on to the encampments on the river. 183 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:44,190 I know there was a cleanup effort 184 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:45,950 that occurred a few weeks ago. 185 00:09:45,950 --> 00:09:47,730 There was a lot of volunteers that went out, 186 00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:50,750 and so we went out a couple days before that, took 187 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:52,650 some photographs of some of the camps, 188 00:09:52,650 --> 00:09:54,550 and then we went out after the cleanup 189 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:57,390 and took some photographs of the camps. 190 00:09:57,390 --> 00:10:00,510 Just to show you some perspective. 191 00:10:00,510 --> 00:10:03,990 This overview kind of gives you an idea 192 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:07,950 of where we find the most persistent areas 193 00:10:07,950 --> 00:10:09,430 where people are camping. 194 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:12,430 Some of these camps, we've cleaned up five or six times 195 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:14,430 in the same sites over the years. 196 00:10:14,430 --> 00:10:17,550 So you can see we have South of the ice rink. 197 00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:19,630 It's a little difficult to see on that one, 198 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:21,570 but you can see the different color codes. 199 00:10:21,570 --> 00:10:26,110 The point which is where the Gunnison, Colorado converge 200 00:10:26,110 --> 00:10:29,990 South of the five Street Bridge, Watson island and railroad 201 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:32,670 island, Watson island. 202 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:37,310 For some perspective, we cleaned up in 2024 and there was no 203 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:39,690 camps on Watson island after the cleanup, 204 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:42,580 and we spent about $80,000 community 205 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:46,620 of Watson island in 2024. 206 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:49,420 So here's Watson island. 207 00:10:49,420 --> 00:10:51,120 These pictures are not the same camp. 208 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,700 There are multiple camps. 209 00:10:52,700 --> 00:11:00,180 And on April 10 of this year, this was just some of the. 210 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:10,860 Things April 10 after the cleanup. 211 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:12,900 Really not much change other than probably 212 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:14,520 what was right on the riverfront. 213 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,860 214 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:20,740 So that's what it looked like on April 10. 215 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:23,720 And here's on the 24 for Watson island. 216 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:38,740 217 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:40,990 Here's an overview of the point. 218 00:11:40,990 --> 00:11:42,030 On April 10. 219 00:11:42,030 --> 00:11:47,810 220 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:50,110 This is what it looks like now in the camps. 221 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:58,770 222 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:01,530 Fourth, a high level overview. 223 00:12:01,530 --> 00:12:03,890 You can see of the same thing. 224 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:07,450 This one in particular is very difficult to access. 225 00:12:07,450 --> 00:12:09,070 And really to do a cleanup there. 226 00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:13,610 You're talking boats or having the railroad which we have 227 00:12:13,610 --> 00:12:16,010 partnered with the railroad before 228 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:18,050 and they've come down with a rail car 229 00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:20,310 and we've been able to get that cleaned up. 230 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:22,730 But that's a rather expensive one. 231 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:29,850 And as you can see, it's right on the water side 232 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:32,010 of the bridge, another area that we 233 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:33,790 find some persistent problems. 234 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:39,520 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,880 All the propane tanks there on the bottom right. 236 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Certainly this year we have some strong concerns 237 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,340 with fires and wildfire risk. 238 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:54,800 239 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,120 And April 24, these are really just the before 240 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:04,980 and afters of the ice rink South of the ice rink, 241 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:06,720 there's some private property. 242 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,040 Just for clarification, if people are camping 243 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,340 on private property, it's not a camping violation, 244 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:12,580 it's a trespass. 245 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:15,360 If the property owner wants to do something. 246 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,900 We don't clean up the camps on private property. 247 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:21,260 That's the responsibility of the property owner to do that. 248 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:24,340 We're just talking public lands that the city owns. 249 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:36,740 250 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:40,260 You're sort of redundant, but you 251 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:43,100 get the idea of what caused us to start 252 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:46,300 doing this back in 2011. 253 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:47,400 Some of the hazards. 254 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,620 You can see some things going in the water. 255 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:55,360 Certainly there are fires in the camps. 256 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,340 They're staying warm. 257 00:13:58,340 --> 00:14:03,320 Lots of needles and other hazardous materials. 258 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,420 259 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:10,200 Rotting food. 260 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,240 Unfortunately, feces, as you would expect. 261 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,700 262 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:20,160 This is a little difficult to see, 263 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,300 and I was worried that it might not be as easy to see 264 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:23,400 on this bigger screen. 265 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,500 But when we talk about our private contractor, 266 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,740 you can see what some of the encampments 267 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:31,200 might have looked like at the top. 268 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,300 And then on the bottom is what they look like when they're 269 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,440 finished with their cleanup. 270 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,050 They do you a nice job of photographing and cataloging 271 00:14:38,050 --> 00:14:40,850 and categorizing and then taking photos when they're done, 272 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:42,810 so that we can see the work that they've done 273 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:45,250 and they can improve that work. 274 00:14:45,250 --> 00:14:51,530 2022 to 2025, 119 tons is what we've removed from the camps 275 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:52,970 just on the river. 276 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:55,250 This is not including any cleanup 277 00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:59,770 efforts where city streets or parks or solid waste is helped. 278 00:14:59,770 --> 00:15:03,250 And it does not also include any efforts by nonprofits, volunteer 279 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:04,630 organizations that go down. 280 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:07,570 So 119 tons of trash. 281 00:15:07,570 --> 00:15:10,290 Some of that was recyclable. 282 00:15:10,290 --> 00:15:12,330 Some of it was the special units, tires 283 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:14,090 and mattresses and so forth. 284 00:15:14,090 --> 00:15:16,810 And the rest was going into the landfill. 285 00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:29,850 And then our total expense was $460,000 from 2022 to 2025. 286 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:32,130 What the typical cycle looks like 287 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:37,840 for us is we identify the camps, usually in the spring, 288 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,260 sometimes depending on the weather, 289 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:41,460 depending on snow, those sorts of things. 290 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:43,560 It's not easy to get back into the camps 291 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640 during the winter months, so we typically don't 292 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,400 do much in the winter months. 293 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,600 And our goal really is to do these camps before the spring 294 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,780 runoff hits, because a lot of this stuff is in the floodplain, 295 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:56,520 or all of it's in the floodplain, and a lot of it 296 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,380 will go into the river. 297 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:59,120 And so we're trying to prevent that 298 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 by getting the camps cleaned up this time of the year. 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,520 And then we monitor throughout the summer and spot check 300 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,120 just so that we can make sure that we're 301 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,300 reducing that risk of wildfire. 302 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:13,620 And we certainly don't want the accumulation, really. 303 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:16,440 We try to be in a maintenance mode 304 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,740 where we're not having to do extensive cleanups. 305 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:21,280 It's a little bit here and a little bit there, 306 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,880 and that makes it easier on the people that 307 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,500 are living down there as well. 308 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:26,100 It's not quite as disruptive. 309 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,880 They know that they can't be in certain areas 310 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,060 and they are most of the time I will say, 311 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:36,640 do you give voluntary compliance on the riverfront itself. 312 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,040 We write very few tickets. 313 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,540 We certainly do write tickets, but very few. 314 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:49,260 I think in three years we wrote 17 TICAs down on the riverfront. 315 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:50,980 So that's not a lot of tickets. 316 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:54,760 Certainly we had some spikes in 24 and 25, 317 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,220 but most of those tickets were all that other category 318 00:16:58,220 --> 00:16:59,460 that we talked about. 319 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:02,140 And as you'll remember, desert vista, all the stuff 320 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:06,599 around desert vista, the first street and Second Street, 321 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,819 those areas where we had those large camps, 322 00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:12,260 that's probably where more of those were generated. 323 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:14,760 But just on the riverfront in three years, 324 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,500 I think we wrote 17 TICAs. 325 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:21,700 And quite frankly, I think probably several of those people 326 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:23,500 received more than one ticket. 327 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,020 So it wasn't 17 different individuals. 328 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:30,480 There was a few that we couldn't gain compliance from. 329 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,450 And instruments, so they were issued tickets. 330 00:17:33,450 --> 00:17:36,290 That's really the bulk of it. 331 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:39,150 The why, how it started, what we're doing. 332 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:44,050 Just to give you some context as to how that process works. 333 00:17:44,050 --> 00:17:46,370 Thanks, Chief. 334 00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:51,530 I know that city council has recently received various emails 335 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:55,570 from a concern related to impacts to the environment 336 00:17:55,570 --> 00:17:59,570 or to the river, and that came up as part 337 00:17:59,570 --> 00:18:01,610 leading into this discussion. 338 00:18:01,610 --> 00:18:05,810 I just want to be clear that from a staff standpoint, 339 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:10,090 we recommend that the language be changed. 340 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:16,090 That removes the sentence that was added after the Supreme 341 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:21,810 Court first Supreme Court case so that we can continue 342 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:25,650 as a police department, as a city, to address the camps 343 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:29,980 and the way we have sewers that we're not able to. 344 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:34,760 Currently, the concern is that without doing that, 345 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,400 it will grow into a larger problem. 346 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:44,400 We also completely understand that this is a very. 347 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Difficult subject to discuss because we're dealing 348 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,240 with real people and real lives that 349 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,040 might not have a place to go. 350 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,260 And although there are many different programs, 351 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,640 there's not necessarily enough slots at every program 352 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,440 we have in this area for everybody that's 353 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,740 experiencing homelessness. 354 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:09,560 And so we're in that we're in that boat where we are. 355 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,960 But from our standpoint, what we're held accountable to do, 356 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,680 we are constrained. 357 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,000 We appreciate the long history that our police department 358 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,920 and the city has taken in a dignified way of working 359 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,740 with people and coming in with a strong hand upfront, 360 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:31,070 but working in a way of seeking compliance 361 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:35,670 and doing what we can in coordination with other entities 362 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:39,650 or employees of the city and the police department, 363 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:42,070 and connecting with services. 364 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:47,150 But we do have deep concern that if we don't change the ordinance 365 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:53,150 language that we will be up against significant issues 366 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:58,470 that we won't be able to address like we have in past years. 367 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:00,030 Great thanks, Mike. 368 00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:02,410 Anything else from staff before I bring it back to council. 369 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:05,790 370 00:20:05,790 --> 00:20:11,110 So with that, I'll bring it back to council. 371 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:13,910 And just as we tee this up, obviously we've 372 00:20:13,910 --> 00:20:17,590 had emails we might get mention any environmental impact 373 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:18,130 concerns. 374 00:20:18,130 --> 00:20:20,270 We've had emails on both sides of this. 375 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:22,670 To be fair, there's been people that 376 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:25,850 have talked about their concerns regarding 377 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:29,410 homelessness and that type of thing, which I appreciate. 378 00:20:29,410 --> 00:20:30,930 Chief, you mentioned specifically 379 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:36,410 that 17 TICAs in three period of three years, and most of that 380 00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:39,690 was maybe not all of that wasn't something different. 381 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:46,290 So anyway, I don't want that concern to go on. 382 00:20:46,290 --> 00:20:48,750 Maybe not answering is the right word, but unaddressed. 383 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:51,850 384 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:58,690 Yeah I just wanted to touch base on if there will be 385 00:20:58,690 --> 00:21:00,990 internal guidelines around enforcement, 386 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,450 and I'm assuming we would be doing outreach first protocols 387 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:07,050 as we move forward as well. 388 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,950 We haven't changed our practices 2011. 389 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:12,890 So really, the only thing that's changed 390 00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:16,010 is the last couple of months since the closure 391 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:17,730 of the shelter. 392 00:21:17,730 --> 00:21:20,170 We don't. 393 00:21:20,170 --> 00:21:23,210 Our intent is to again, really reduce 394 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:26,840 those risks to public safety, public health, environment. 395 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Fire mitigation, especially this year and our goal 396 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,320 is to get people connected with services. 397 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,660 I want to add that if this change were to be made, 398 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:38,980 that's an ordinance change. 399 00:21:38,980 --> 00:21:41,920 So there would be a first reading for weeks 400 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,600 at least second reading, and then there's 401 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,140 30 days to go into effect. 402 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:52,320 And so while we would utilize that time where we can't change 403 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,740 enforcement to what we've typically done, 404 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:57,600 but we would definitely use that time for education, 405 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,760 getting information in coordination of those things 406 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,380 that need time that would be longer than the typical days, 407 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:07,180 but just keeping. 408 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:09,380 So you would know what that process would look like. 409 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:13,000 And it would be an ordinance change and the time it takes 410 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,840 for ordinance to take effect. 411 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,760 So would you where's the sense you're referring 412 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,590 to that we're going to change. 413 00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:24,570 We have that. 414 00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:31,670 415 00:22:31,670 --> 00:22:32,850 You see, if I can find it for you, 416 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:35,290 it is in one of the exceptions to. 417 00:22:35,290 --> 00:22:37,950 418 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:42,150 Subsection D I don't know if you have the staff report up, 419 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:46,550 but essentially, it says email it to us again. 420 00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:49,190 It's in the packet. 421 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:50,970 Oh is it page. 422 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:56,110 423 00:22:56,110 --> 00:22:57,730 H3 of the packet. 424 00:22:57,730 --> 00:22:58,910 Thank you. 425 00:22:58,910 --> 00:23:03,710 At the very bottom of that page there's that subsection D. 426 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:06,310 And those are the exceptions to enforcement. 427 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:10,230 And one of the exceptions is says the campers is or are 428 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,370 on public property other than sidewalk, street, 429 00:23:12,370 --> 00:23:14,870 parking, strip, alleyway, Lane, breezeway 430 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:16,050 or public right of way. 431 00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:18,550 And there is no available overnight shelter. 432 00:23:18,550 --> 00:23:22,540 So essentially the only thing I think we would change 433 00:23:22,540 --> 00:23:27,320 is that one term that says, and there is no overnight shelter. 434 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:40,100 435 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,820 In anything where it's at the bottom of the page 436 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:46,740 three of the packet, the very last 437 00:23:46,740 --> 00:24:01,220 subsection D. So just taking that out. 438 00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:06,900 So what would be the anticipated outcomes of implementing that. 439 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,300 And what would we like to see happen 440 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:12,780 and how would that happen. 441 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:15,620 I can answer just from the legal side, which would be that there 442 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:17,700 would no longer be a requirement to determine 443 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:19,720 whether or not there's overnight shelter 444 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,220 before enforcement can happen. 445 00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:23,260 But actually what effectively happens on the street, 446 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:25,760 I think the chief or the city manager 447 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,640 are better able to answer that. 448 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Yeah Council my office. 449 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,840 I think that's a great question. 450 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,720 What we would propose is if we remove that language, 451 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,160 then we would go back to doing exactly what Chief Smith 452 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,240 discussed earlier, which would be working with the camps, 453 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,880 giving them notice, giving them education of what services are 454 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,480 available and then giving them notice 455 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,700 of the timeline to if they can, and their belongings. 456 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,480 457 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,320 So typically, if you're moving somebody out of a living 458 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,160 location, that we would counsel them 459 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,440 as to where they could move to. 460 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,350 So what would that look like. 461 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,830 The counseling would be trying to get 462 00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:22,030 them with service providers that take care of them. 463 00:25:22,030 --> 00:25:23,350 We have none. 464 00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:25,590 We have quite a few service providers 465 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:31,270 that help our unhoused community, different forms. 466 00:25:31,270 --> 00:25:33,390 And so we would link them up with those services 467 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:35,510 and trying to encourage them to go 468 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:38,550 seek those services to see what those folks can offer. 469 00:25:38,550 --> 00:25:45,190 Those services, as we all don't include housing or shelter. 470 00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:47,790 Very, very, very just tiny. 471 00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:49,630 I disagree with that. 472 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:53,030 I think you just could you give some examples of where somebody 473 00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:56,510 could go right now and get a new place to move 474 00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:59,430 their tent to a shelter. 475 00:25:59,430 --> 00:26:02,810 And the reason I'm sorry to interrupt, 476 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:05,270 but when you say things like, as we all 477 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:08,470 know and you insinuate that we all agree, 478 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:10,650 I'm just going to pause there. 479 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:12,250 I don't want to interrupt your train of thought. 480 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:14,350 I'd be happy to provide a conversation. 481 00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:17,260 I have recently as this week. 482 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:19,780 Sorry last week, but I also don't 483 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:22,320 want to interrupt your opportunity to speak as well. 484 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,620 Well, I just said if you could give us some examples of where 485 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:36,300 we move to because some of us all know that we don't have 486 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:38,400 additional places in town right now, 487 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520 and we haven't for a long time. 488 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,420 So there would have to be some alternates to where they could 489 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:47,700 camp, where would be safe, where they could legally 490 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,060 stay and not get harassed. 491 00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:52,820 Many are elderly, many are disabled 492 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,920 and need do need some services. 493 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,540 You probably saw in some of the pictures 494 00:26:56,540 --> 00:27:02,880 wheelchairs, walkers, crutches and machetes and things. 495 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,940 They're at risk. 496 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:06,760 So it's a complicated thing. 497 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,020 It's not just go check in at the Super eight. 498 00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:12,240 It is a complicated thing. 499 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,250 And certainly, I don't want to debate you here, other than I 500 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:20,190 did have a very good, and I thought, 501 00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:24,490 productive conversation with Helene from the Joseph center 502 00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:27,530 this last week about people that she's servicing specifically 503 00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:29,610 to these needs and some areas where 504 00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:30,830 she's seeing the growing needs. 505 00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:33,430 As you say, relatively in particular, 506 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:38,490 the program has received a lot more applicants. 507 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:41,750 So there are those challenges and limited resources. 508 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:43,690 I don't argue that point. 509 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:47,770 I do want to make sure that we're careful in not using 510 00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:52,650 the connotation like rest when we have a very compassionate 511 00:27:52,650 --> 00:27:56,530 police department who has. 512 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:59,710 OK well, I just if you didn't say that, 513 00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:02,770 I just want to make sure that's not taken. 514 00:28:02,770 --> 00:28:06,190 So yeah. 515 00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:09,050 I have a question. 516 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:10,090 Kind of. 517 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:12,670 So it seems like a lot of the concerns 518 00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:17,330 around maybe kind of sanitation waste. 519 00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:21,270 And I'm curious to what degree we have ever implemented 520 00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:23,010 preventative measures on that front, 521 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,950 like buying dumpsters, toilets, that type of thing 522 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:28,910 to avoid the problem, getting to a point 523 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:30,570 where it's kind of overwhelming. 524 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:33,990 Like, it seems like we're spending 400k to clean 525 00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:35,910 up three years of camps. 526 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:38,030 Like, could we just provide dumpster service 527 00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:39,570 and maybe not have to do that. 528 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:44,630 Or would that address enough of the concerns we have. 529 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:46,690 Yeah so I can talk a little bit about that. 530 00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:47,330 Yeah thank you. 531 00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:54,110 Council Member Nguyen until this year, what we have done 532 00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:57,410 is in certain times of requests or cleanups, 533 00:28:57,410 --> 00:29:04,430 we've placed dumpsters or for a very specific time frame, not 534 00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:08,070 a consistent and sometimes porta potties in certain areas 535 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:11,140 for a specific period of time. 536 00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:16,140 We haven't done that permanently because until we got to 537 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:19,340 with this change and then with the North Avenue 538 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:22,900 shelter closing, it had never been allowed 539 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,160 to camp in these locations. 540 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,220 And so we had not taken measures that would encourage camping 541 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:32,120 or camping is not allowed. 542 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:39,100 And so now by default, we're in a position where. 543 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,580 It's more difficult to address for camping 544 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:45,940 traditionally is not allowed due to the closure of North Avenue. 545 00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:49,340 As you can see from the history, we 546 00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:55,100 had the same demand or the same challenges with the shelter. 547 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,760 The shelter addressing. 548 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,380 So it goes back quite a few years 549 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:05,880 as the chief portrayed or showed in the slides. 550 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,430 But I would say that's the only answer we've had. 551 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:13,730 And we are not coming from a place 552 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:17,330 where we are saying we should designate areas 553 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:24,770 within public space and that we allow camping because there's 554 00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:30,250 a number of components there that we can manage or address 555 00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:32,670 what could happen situations. 556 00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:36,690 557 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:39,930 It was I mean, a lot of the things 558 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:43,010 you're referring to were previous 559 00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:48,970 to some of the amazing some of the really. 560 00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:51,130 Amazing efforts that the community 561 00:30:51,130 --> 00:30:53,110 has stepped up and done. 562 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:56,170 And many of the people in this room have been part of that. 563 00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:59,050 And so I think things have changed, 564 00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:03,690 and he participated, like at the people experiencing 565 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:05,770 homelessness thing at Sunshine. 566 00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:09,190 And out of that meeting came the use of some dumpsters 567 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:11,230 for a while, and I think they collected 568 00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:15,170 six or 7000 pounds of stuff. 569 00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:20,150 And that was because our leaders have worked with those camps 570 00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:22,270 and have gotten to know those people 571 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:24,970 and build relationships that, quite honestly, 572 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,110 have taken years to build. 573 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:31,650 And many of the camps are run like many cities, 574 00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:34,510 and there's leadership and there's coordination. 575 00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:38,790 There's people part of and they build relationships with them. 576 00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:45,510 So all I'm saying is the door is open for a new effort in getting 577 00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:51,910 the camps to clean up and to working with the camp leadership 578 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,390 and the community leadership. 579 00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:56,670 We identified from some of our meetings 580 00:31:56,670 --> 00:32:03,710 that they need water, toilets and dumpsters pretty simple. 581 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:05,440 The water part we're working on. 582 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,560 It's pretty close to being wrapped up. 583 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,780 The toilet thing is getting there, 584 00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:12,680 but the support is needed. 585 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,620 And in the interim, while we're working on some other stuff, 586 00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:23,180 at a very base level, to help clean up some things in advance. 587 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,800 We could be at the table on that. 588 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,180 And that would be a huge help. 589 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:30,240 And I don't disagree with that. 590 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,660 I think those are important points. 591 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:37,260 And what Jason talked about also about whether we put dumpsters 592 00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:41,700 in the meanwhile while we're trying to work through this time 593 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:42,520 of transition. 594 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,340 But I will to say that it's city leadership 595 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,260 or that it's leadership like a city. 596 00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:50,640 I've spent some time in those camps over the years. 597 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,380 Over the 17 years I was a police officer, including handling 598 00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:56,980 homicides down in those camps. 599 00:32:56,980 --> 00:33:02,140 And I've seen some pretty horrific living 600 00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:03,240 situations down there. 601 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:03,830 Their needles. 602 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:05,010 Human waste. 603 00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:06,810 I know I went down there with a group one time 604 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:09,850 because we had pit bulls going out off of the point 605 00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:12,250 into the river, biting kayakers. 606 00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:17,050 So this is impactful to not just our riparian areas, 607 00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:20,730 but grand junction's namesake, right in the junction 608 00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:24,290 of the Gunnison, Colorado, which is where the point is. 609 00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:28,490 So I like the idea of we can do these things together, 610 00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:31,770 that we can maybe if we are putting dumpsters down there 611 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:35,290 because as Jason pointed out, we're spending half a million 612 00:33:35,290 --> 00:33:39,090 on picking up 120 tons of trash. 613 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:41,530 If we can do some things to get dumpsters to try to get 614 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:43,490 that result along with that. 615 00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:45,930 But yeah. 616 00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:51,570 And I am paying attention if Hannah or Robert or. 617 00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:52,250 Go ahead. 618 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:55,250 Yeah I think we're in an extremely fortunate position 619 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:58,850 to have such a compassionate chief of police 620 00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:01,370 that we do have in our community, 621 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:03,560 from being a downtown business owner 622 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,480 and working a lot with the unhoused community 623 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,679 and seeing the way things work in our community, 624 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,159 seeing not only the way that Chief Smith has handled 625 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,760 this population, but also officer Nick and other officers 626 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,639 with GPD. 627 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,900 That gives me a lot of solace, a lot of. 628 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:27,360 629 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,780 I don't believe that GJPD is an anti-homeless. 630 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:34,260 We're going to come in and tear up every account. 631 00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:37,360 We have the opportunity type organization. 632 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,360 I look at this more from the perspective of we have to give 633 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960 our public safety officers the tools that they 634 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,199 need to be able to enforce the laws that our community upholds. 635 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,199 And this is just simply clearing up 636 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,480 a little bit of language to give law enforcement the ability 637 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,679 to actually do their job. 638 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,660 I don't see this as an anti homeless move. 639 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:04,300 I don't see this as a move to move people out of our community 640 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,780 by any means. 641 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:10,140 To me, it's just a cleanup on enforcement, 642 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:13,700 and I'm supportive of it because of that. 643 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,940 Do you have any either Robert or Anna. 644 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:19,700 And I'm sorry I didn't call that out earlier 645 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,200 that they are in attendance. 646 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,500 Virtually both council members. 647 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,220 Council Member Scott is not. 648 00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:28,140 Oh I'm sorry. 649 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:30,700 Correction for the record. 650 00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,180 Council Member Ballard is present. 651 00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:35,940 Council Member stout is not. 652 00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:40,300 OK yes Mr. mayor, I'd like to talk. 653 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:41,240 I'd like to speak. 654 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,700 655 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:46,660 Yes, please. 656 00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:49,880 Yeah so I. I understand the sensitivity to this, 657 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,780 and I know that there's a lot of great people 658 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:59,890 who have a lot of compassion that would like to see more 659 00:35:59,890 --> 00:36:03,403 restrictions on or fewer restrictions, I guess, 660 00:36:03,403 --> 00:36:04,470 depending on how you look at it. 661 00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:06,070 But more restrictions on our law enforcement, 662 00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:10,790 on what they can and cannot enforce in our public spaces. 663 00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:13,670 And, I go back to a couple of things. 664 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:16,730 First off. 665 00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:23,610 This is not only just vacant and open area that 666 00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:26,970 doesn't have any stakes to it. 667 00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:28,683 We're talking about parks. 668 00:36:28,683 --> 00:36:29,750 We're talking about open spaces. 669 00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:30,917 We're talking about places that are 670 00:36:30,917 --> 00:36:34,190 adjacent to homes, to family businesses, restaurants, 671 00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:35,130 and so on. 672 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:39,810 And these people all are taxpayers as well 673 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:45,330 and deserve to share these spaces without being 674 00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:50,810 adjacent to some of the other more hazardous conditions, 675 00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:56,980 sanitary or otherwise, that exist in homeless camps, 676 00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:58,960 especially if they've been there for a significant period 677 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,360 of time. 678 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,280 The other thing I look at, too, is 679 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,960 that I don't think it's very compassionate to encourage 680 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,360 and allow for extended camping or camping 681 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,940 that is unsanitary or dangerous or poses risks to others, 682 00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,680 especially when we're talking about fire hazards 683 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,140 down by the river and stuff. 684 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:29,640 And so I would agree with council member Van Dyke that 685 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,360 says that our law enforcement is compassionate and compassionate. 686 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,680 They've proven that they can adapt to the changes 687 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,680 that we've seen in recent months. 688 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,180 And I think that this is good to give them more flexibility. 689 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:53,600 So that way they can enforce where they need to enforce. 690 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,100 Thank you. 691 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,550 Council that's where I went. 692 00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:59,870 Yeah just a question for staff. 693 00:37:59,870 --> 00:38:06,110 So I'm curious if there are other 694 00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:11,190 more direct policy solutions that 695 00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:14,250 address the specific concerns we have with. 696 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,990 697 00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:17,930 These camps. 698 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:21,910 So for example, instead of having 699 00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:28,610 it be around simply camping in public space, if we observe. 700 00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:31,270 701 00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:35,830 Like fire danger, is there a way we can tie the policy 702 00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:40,070 to the concern we have, as opposed to Ty Ty the tool 703 00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:42,050 to the camping. 704 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:43,870 Does that make sense. 705 00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:48,790 Before you respond to that, if I can tack on that one thing, 706 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:50,170 please answer Jason's question. 707 00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:56,570 But also with that I have the parallel concern of limiting 708 00:38:56,570 --> 00:38:58,770 the tools that are available to law enforcement 709 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:02,870 for discretionary use to say, based on what I'm seeing here, 710 00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:05,170 this is a dangerous situation, even if it's not 711 00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:07,930 clear if perhaps that it is. 712 00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:11,250 They have several dogs that are consistently at large 713 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:14,290 and creating a dangerous situation where they have 714 00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:16,690 somebody that has behavioral health issues 715 00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:19,570 that they're struggling with, maybe self-medicating in ways 716 00:39:19,570 --> 00:39:21,730 that the doctor has prescribed. 717 00:39:21,730 --> 00:39:23,490 So it's those kind of things. 718 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:28,170 If you want to just address those two points together, 719 00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:33,170 and if you don't mind, I'll have the chief 720 00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:35,590 help me out with the second part of that question. 721 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:39,130 But I think the first part of Jason's question. 722 00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:42,050 I would just say that there could be perhaps 723 00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:47,230 there are creative solutions, like in our suite of services, 724 00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:52,320 in with our current resources and with the departments 725 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,760 and services that we actually have, we are not 726 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:03,720 capable of managing, overseeing and running camps, 727 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,360 just suggest is the same as we are not capable 728 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,840 or have the resources to run or manage shelters as a city. 729 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,520 I think that is where it comes into play, which 730 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,440 is another conversation we have coming up this year that we've 731 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,360 identified is evaluating the unhoused strategies 732 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,820 with our partners. 733 00:40:24,820 --> 00:40:27,920 And I think understanding the full suite of services 734 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,920 that are provided and where the gaps are 735 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,120 and previous discussions. 736 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040 Council, we've steps we've taken have 737 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,960 been to fund existing programs or expansion 738 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,660 of those programs in the past. 739 00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,940 Not saying we have the ability to continuously fund, 740 00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:49,040 but I think that's the challenge. 741 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,870 And I have not asked or tasked our police department 742 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:57,590 with doing anything to. 743 00:40:57,590 --> 00:40:59,250 They are not the Department. 744 00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:03,390 I want to make sure it's not a police versus services 745 00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:08,270 because they are just looking to enforce the laws 746 00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:14,830 and rules of the area, and it's humane in the best way possible. 747 00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:17,750 But not tasked with coming up with solutions 748 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:24,630 as to be brought into our housing division and others. 749 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:28,110 But we really function as more of a coordination role 750 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:28,610 right now. 751 00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:31,010 So I would do those types of things, 752 00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:33,590 would be taking on a different level of service 753 00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:36,650 from a survey and analysis. 754 00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:39,270 755 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:43,870 And not to cut this short, but if anybody 756 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:47,330 has any questions that haven't been asked and answered, 757 00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:48,010 this is the time. 758 00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:51,230 But I do feel like maybe we have enough to move this forward. 759 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:53,590 Unless again, not wanting to cut this off. 760 00:41:53,590 --> 00:41:56,250 If you have additional questions, 761 00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:58,870 address not making decisions here, 762 00:41:58,870 --> 00:42:02,410 but I do want to be able to give staff direction if that's 763 00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:04,930 council is willing to move forward with the change 764 00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:07,610 to the ordinance. 765 00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:11,770 We are putting an awful lot on the Joseph center 766 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:15,750 again, similar to the one place that people can go. 767 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:19,170 I mean, as far as I and I talk to them periodically 768 00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:24,450 to our million dollars for two small buildings gave them 769 00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:29,090 12 more beds and they're using them and it's working 770 00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:34,210 and they are winning and people are getting into housing, 771 00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:36,610 but they only have to work. 772 00:42:36,610 --> 00:42:37,810 They work. 773 00:42:37,810 --> 00:42:39,310 I mean, the people that are living there, 774 00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:42,050 it's only about 20. 775 00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:45,170 So it's a very, very big lift to move hundreds of people 776 00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:47,820 off the river and expanded. 777 00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:53,260 And they are not all fighters or addicts or stuff. 778 00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:55,720 There are people that want to work and some of them 779 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,200 do have jobs and that's where they live. 780 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,040 So without having some answer to eliminating 781 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,940 this sentence, on the city's part, what is our answer. 782 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:10,540 Where do we tell them. 783 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:12,920 Just I can't support it. 784 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:13,960 No problem. 785 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,380 And I get that you can't support it. 786 00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:20,280 I also want to make sure these are two issues 787 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,260 what we're talking about. 788 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:23,080 And given that we start with the tools 789 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,240 that they've been utilizing all these years, 790 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,040 just as they have in the way they 791 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,240 continue to do it, we're not giving them a directive 792 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,120 to go sweep the camps and clean up the river, 793 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,340 in the next two months is not what's happening here. 794 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:39,440 What we're doing is we are trying to make sure that we are 795 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,320 being compliant with case law changes 796 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,030 through our attorney's office, that the recommendations they 797 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:46,790 make, and then also give the police 798 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:50,290 the tools they need to do the job that they've been doing. 799 00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:53,150 And not to belabor this point, happy 800 00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:56,870 we can talk about the unhoused issues separately 801 00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:59,390 and what resources there are and where 802 00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:02,830 they go, but I think we have enough to give 803 00:44:02,830 --> 00:44:04,870 a direction to move forward. 804 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:08,150 Hear from the council. 805 00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:11,470 For now, we can get to four on this. 806 00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:14,070 So anything else from us on that. 807 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:18,910 Just I heard some thoughts from most everybody, but making sure 808 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:22,950 we do have consensus just as you to bring 809 00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:24,390 forward to the regular meeting. 810 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:28,810 So I'll ask this, I'm assuming, Robert, 811 00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:32,250 if you want to give me council member Ballard, 812 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:33,650 are you in favor of this. 813 00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:35,210 I know you said that in your comment, 814 00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:38,430 but just for the sake of record here. 815 00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:39,530 Yeah, I'm in favor of it. 816 00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:42,170 Thank you, Council Van Dyke. 817 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:45,180 818 00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:47,300 Two months. 819 00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,380 OK Council Nguyen is not. 820 00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,760 Council Bomba said. 821 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,440 He is not. 822 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,540 I am so comfortable that I did want to mention I think it's 823 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:00,760 good for the record, but I want to clarify, 824 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,320 this is not a full answer. 825 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,100 As I mentioned earlier. 826 00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:09,540 Council offices question regarding what's available. 827 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:14,920 We know that before, during, and after the North Avenue shelter, 828 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,420 we did not have enough available for everybody 829 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:19,800 to have shelter overnight. 830 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,940 But the question of where there are I 831 00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:26,100 think the city has funded homeward bound 832 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,400 and they have pathways. 833 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,280 We funded Catholic outreach that has shelter. 834 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,240 We funded United Way, which combined with sunshine, 835 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,400 that has shelter space. 836 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,020 We've funded Joseph center. 837 00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:43,920 I'm trying to think if I'm missing any others. 838 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,300 Now, with all those. 839 00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:49,020 Oh, and hilltop has other resources now. 840 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:50,280 Shelter space. 841 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,000 Those are all various programs that have certain requirements 842 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,760 and steps to participate. 843 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,520 And again, still do not provide an equal level of shelter. 844 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,060 But it's not nothing. 845 00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:08,480 And it's something that all those groups are working at. 846 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,400 There's been a higher success rate than no barrier 847 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,480 shelter North Avenue. 848 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,120 As far as moving through with other services. 849 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,320 But I just want to clarify that again, not in a way of saying, 850 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,800 oh, it's taken care of and there's 851 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,600 a place for everybody to go. 852 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,880 But it's more than just those. 853 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,880 Great, great. 854 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,040 Do you have what you need from us. 855 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,860 All right. 856 00:46:37,860 --> 00:46:41,470 So Mayor Pro tem. 857 00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:42,890 Before we continue on. 858 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:43,570 Sorry so. 859 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:47,070 Well, why I see the need for this enforcement. 860 00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:49,630 I do still think that I'm. 861 00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:50,490 I'm kind of torn. 862 00:46:50,490 --> 00:46:52,310 I do think I mean, I think we need 863 00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,510 to be able to enforce and have health and safety 864 00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:55,930 is a priority in our community. 865 00:46:55,930 --> 00:47:02,190 But I think we also need to have a time to further discuss 866 00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:03,810 what we're doing with no. 867 00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:06,470 With homework on closing, I know that it's not necessarily 868 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:08,470 the city's role, but I think we need to still 869 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:11,830 have that conversation as the city on how we're navigating 870 00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:17,150 that, especially if we're saying, that the camping ban can 871 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:21,470 be enforced, because I mean, what's going to happen 872 00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:26,390 is they're just going to migrate around 873 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:28,650 and you're going to be cleaning up in a circle. 874 00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:32,910 And so we still need to talk about that next step 875 00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:36,210 and look at interim housing solutions and things like that. 876 00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:39,660 So I think that I'm in support of moving forward, 877 00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:42,760 but with the caveat that we have that conversation. 878 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,480 If everyone else agrees, then if everyone else agrees with that, 879 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,100 I'd like to see that on a future agenda for us to talk about. 880 00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,240 Yeah, I definitely agree with that idea. 881 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:56,060 882 00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:58,580 OK thank you. 883 00:47:58,580 --> 00:48:00,660 All right thank you chief. 884 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:04,580 OK moving on to the Community Survey. 885 00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:07,380 I can see this one was. 886 00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:08,320 Yes thank you. 887 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,260 Mayor, members of council, our next discussion 888 00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:15,240 is this year in the 2026 annual budget we had budgeted. 889 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:19,440 It's time to do the next community satisfaction survey. 890 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,840 And by our Communications and Engagement manager, 891 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,300 Kelsey Coleman, up here to help us walk through a slide 892 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:30,500 show on brief about the survey. 893 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,520 The purpose of tonight is, again, 894 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,450 these surveys we tend to stick with the same questions 895 00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:41,530 so that we can benchmark ourselves 896 00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:44,850 against thousands of other cities 897 00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:46,950 and then also against ourselves. 898 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:50,390 So a couple of years, we can see where there's improvements, 899 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:52,190 where there need to be improvements, 900 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:56,050 where maybe there's a change in service level satisfaction. 901 00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:59,230 So we're not necessarily looking to change all those questions, 902 00:48:59,230 --> 00:49:02,450 but there is sometimes room for a couple other more 903 00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:04,690 timely topics to be added. 904 00:49:04,690 --> 00:49:08,110 Tonight is not the intent to try and draft those questions. 905 00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:11,330 But if there's topics that council wants to share with us 906 00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:13,410 during this discussion, they might 907 00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:15,490 want to be of interest to council 908 00:49:15,490 --> 00:49:17,970 to engage the community on. 909 00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:21,570 Once we bring in the group that actually 910 00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:23,970 puts the survey together. 911 00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:26,490 We did task them with drafting a few questions 912 00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:29,790 related to those thoughts that you have. 913 00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:32,870 So this isn't a once and done opportunity to bring them up. 914 00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:35,670 But there's some thoughts. 915 00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:37,830 And Kelce's going to walk through how 916 00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:39,410 this process typically works. 917 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:44,990 Again, when we engage with a professional service type 918 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:48,270 entity, we don't necessarily have to go out 919 00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:50,150 or request for proposals. 920 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:52,910 Because of professional service, there's 921 00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:56,910 the ability to continue working with the existing group 922 00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:59,270 and save money, time and efficiency 923 00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:01,230 when they've done previous surveys 924 00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:02,990 and keep that consistency. 925 00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:05,290 But I'm going to with that long intro, 926 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:07,230 I'm going to turn it over to Kelce just 927 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:09,630 to walk through a little bit and then 928 00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:11,510 entertain some discussion in the Q&A 929 00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:13,690 and make sure we get this going. 930 00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:17,190 We'd like to get this going sooner than later so that we can 931 00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:20,430 have those results hopefully embedded 932 00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:22,270 into some of the budget discussions 933 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:25,310 before the end of the year. 934 00:50:25,310 --> 00:50:26,330 Yeah thank you. 935 00:50:26,330 --> 00:50:28,610 City manager and members of council. 936 00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:31,070 Really excited to talk about this tonight. 937 00:50:31,070 --> 00:50:32,670 Our community satisfaction survey 938 00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:37,540 is really how we hear consistently from the community 939 00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:40,900 and not just one area of the community, but across all 940 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:41,760 eight neighborhoods. 941 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,780 And so this is an opportunity for us every two years to launch 942 00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:47,220 this survey during the summer months 943 00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:50,360 to figure out what do we need to focus on. 944 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,840 Where are we hitting the mark. 945 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,740 Where are we missing. 946 00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:55,600 And then where should we put our dollars. 947 00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,380 And so that's really what we look at with this survey. 948 00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:02,620 A big thing that we are looking at this year 949 00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:06,340 specifically is we have, as our strategic plan 950 00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:09,040 that's guiding our priorities. 951 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,460 And so what we're looking at this year specifically 952 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:15,240 is how do those metrics line up to our strategic plan. 953 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,820 How are we doing with core services 954 00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:20,840 and how are we doing with housing affordability. 955 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,500 How are we doing with efficiency and how 956 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,320 are we doing with communications and engagement. 957 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,540 So these questions really do guide that plan 958 00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:32,210 and tell us how we're doing specifically to that point 959 00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:33,530 that you all created. 960 00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:36,590 If I could add in, if you recall, in the strategic plan, 961 00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:39,210 the metrics that we report on, there 962 00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:44,250 are some metrics within the various sections 963 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:49,290 of the strategic plan that are annual metrics that really own 964 00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:53,530 not all of them, but there's a handful throughout that document 965 00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:55,570 that those metrics only actually come 966 00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:57,630 from the soul of the survey. 967 00:51:57,630 --> 00:52:00,830 And then we update those benchmark to the last survey. 968 00:52:00,830 --> 00:52:05,050 So there are a few we don't have that pulled up in front of us 969 00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:05,630 tonight. 970 00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:10,990 So there's also not just the way Kelsey described in general, 971 00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:14,610 but there are specific metrics. 972 00:52:14,610 --> 00:52:17,070 That is the measurement survey. 973 00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:20,850 Yes Thank you. 974 00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:22,190 Survey methodology. 975 00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:26,110 So we use consultants to help us navigate this. 976 00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:30,820 They created a survey in 2018 2022, 2024. 977 00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:33,480 And so we're hoping that they will help us with the survey 978 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,600 again this year. 979 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,200 It really does, again, help us guide 980 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,800 to see how are we doing year over year or every two years. 981 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,400 And so this methodology really helps us these questions 982 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,040 standardizing them really tells us if we're improving 983 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,720 and where we're missing. 984 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:56,560 The way they do it is they create a list of addresses 985 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,940 that are across the city. 986 00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:01,400 And so again, in those eight neighborhoods and then 987 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,740 they do it randomized. 988 00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:05,480 So every fifth, every ninth person 989 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,140 they send this survey to and it is English and Spanish. 990 00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:10,800 So whoever lives in that household 991 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,060 it was attached to the packet. 992 00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:15,860 So I think you all could see that it was English and Spanish, 993 00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:18,360 depending on what language you speak 994 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,600 and what language you prefer. 995 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,220 Last time we sent this out in 2024, it was 996 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:25,860 sent to over 5,400 residents. 997 00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:27,520 And so this really tells us this is 998 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,220 a good guide to tell us what exactly is 999 00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:34,780 happening within our community. 1000 00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:37,540 Our hope is that we would launch this in July. 1001 00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:40,180 These consultants tell us about 7 to 10 days 1002 00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:41,720 is the best time period. 1003 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:46,340 And so their expertise is in this specific 1004 00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:48,080 the survey research. 1005 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,900 And so this tells us that survey is in the hands of the community 1006 00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:52,980 longer than that. 1007 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:56,340 It's unlikely that they're going to fill it out. 1008 00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:59,180 We would then present the findings to council 1009 00:53:59,180 --> 00:54:01,700 in August or late September. 1010 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,060 These are those eight neighborhoods 1011 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:04,960 that I was talking about. 1012 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,620 They're highlighted here for everyone 1013 00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:10,180 to see the city center, the Northwest edge, horizon, 1014 00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:14,700 Fruitvale, park, park, Orchard, Mesa, Redlands, and Appleton 1015 00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:20,660 are neighborhoods that they hold on what those questions entail 1016 00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:23,420 again, community outlook, how residents feel about Grand 1017 00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:25,060 Junction and how we're doing. 1018 00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:26,130 City priorities. 1019 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:29,250 Which issues should be received and pay the most 1020 00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,170 attention to how we're doing with our infrastructure 1021 00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:32,830 utilities. 1022 00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:36,570 So there's a lot of questions on if you are a utility user, 1023 00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:37,550 how would you rate this. 1024 00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:41,050 If you have received EMS or fire service, how would 1025 00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:44,710 you rate that service if you had an encounter with PD. 1026 00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:49,530 How would you rate that if you're recycling. 1027 00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:53,130 If you have recycling, how would you rate that. 1028 00:54:53,130 --> 00:54:54,030 Parks and rec. 1029 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:58,890 We have a question in there about what I'm trying 1030 00:54:58,890 --> 00:55:00,110 to remember the exact question. 1031 00:55:00,110 --> 00:55:02,910 But what are the facility priorities. 1032 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:06,090 So circle the top five priorities 1033 00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:08,470 list out the top three priorities. 1034 00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:11,450 So that's a question on the survey. 1035 00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:13,670 It asks a lot about the neighborhood that you live in. 1036 00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:16,590 So how is your neighbor. 1037 00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:19,690 How has your neighborhood improved since you moved in. 1038 00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:22,150 What would you like to see improve in your neighborhood. 1039 00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:24,920 So there's a lot of data there that we can pull move on 1040 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,400 and it really does help guide us. 1041 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,120 Consistency matters. 1042 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,240 This trend analysis, your comparison 1043 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,040 is really, really what we need. 1044 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,680 That number that I told you earlier that 5,000 1045 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,140 5,400 is statistically valid. 1046 00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:41,440 That number would go up this year just because our population 1047 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,120 is going up. 1048 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,780 But yeah, it tells us what we need to further our work. 1049 00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:51,040 1050 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,060 And that's the end of my presentation. 1051 00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:55,800 I didn't want to interrupt you. 1052 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,540 Thank you. 1053 00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:58,320 Yeah all right. 1054 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,260 So, Mike, did you have anything for. 1055 00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:01,640 Bring it back to Council. 1056 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,080 So I see Laurel. 1057 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,760 Excuse me, Mayor Pro tem. 1058 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,460 Let's reaching for her microphone, 1059 00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:09,380 and I think she has something to. 1060 00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:12,120 Yeah, I just had a couple questions. 1061 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,500 First, are the survey homes there are. 1062 00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:17,060 They're randomly selected each time. 1063 00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:18,760 They're not the same homes. 1064 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,800 Correct Correct. 1065 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,340 Yes yeah. 1066 00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:24,980 And then I was wondering, I know we've talked a little bit 1067 00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:27,780 about trying to feel out how the community 1068 00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:29,740 feels about the Orchard pool. 1069 00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:31,920 Is that something that we could add onto the survey. 1070 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,900 It seems like the timing would be pretty good for us. 1071 00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:37,580 It is. 1072 00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:39,500 We'd have to. 1073 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,420 Yes, it is something we could add on 1074 00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:44,680 to this in some future discussions we'll have. 1075 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:50,460 It's also something that we could do with a separate timing 1076 00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:51,740 was needed. 1077 00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:53,760 If a different timing was needed. 1078 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,220 However it could be. 1079 00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:58,660 I've had a lot of success throughout my career 1080 00:56:58,660 --> 00:57:00,400 when thinking about some things like that, 1081 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,060 especially if that's something that might. 1082 00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:03,880 And I'm not. 1083 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,520 I'm not suggesting or giving. 1084 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,220 I don't want to give the false impression that this is that 1085 00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:13,200 necessarily for sure turns into some kind of ballot measure, 1086 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,140 but often an approach for consideration of things 1087 00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:23,330 that you as a council may be considering in the future. 1088 00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:26,770 It could turn into a ballot question. 1089 00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:30,190 Rather than asking how people would vote on ballot questions. 1090 00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:34,650 It sometimes can be beneficial to should we put this on. 1091 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:37,090 And this is defined by whether it's 1092 00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:39,450 this topic or another topic. 1093 00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:41,170 Because I can give you an indication of something 1094 00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:42,530 you can react to. 1095 00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:47,510 You can get a clear vote of yes, put it on the ballot. 1096 00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:51,630 It's an overwhelming no to put it on the ballot. 1097 00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:56,070 That changes maybe the likelihood that you can. 1098 00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:58,730 It's always coming up with and we would work with a consultant 1099 00:57:58,730 --> 00:58:01,930 on how to word the questions in the right way 1100 00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:05,690 where we can respond to the feedback. 1101 00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:10,470 But yes, I think the short answer is yes, it would. 1102 00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:15,130 We want to push for that earlier or end of August. 1103 00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:18,950 If you were to ask questions that are related to the ballot. 1104 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:23,120 There are a couple of dates that we have to meet. 1105 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,720 No matter what the topic, if we were considering something 1106 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,040 for November in those dates, try to remember off 1107 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,120 the top of my head, but I think it's somewhere in early 1108 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,940 to mid August. 1109 00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:34,540 I don't know what the specific date was. 1110 00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:37,800 1111 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,120 There's an indication towards the end of July or early August 1112 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,320 where we have to let them know that we're considering, 1113 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,120 and then I think there's a drop dead deadline 1114 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,480 of the actual language in September. 1115 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,780 So I don't remember the exact date, 1116 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:57,200 but that gives you at least a ballpark of where 1117 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,220 it's going to be close. 1118 00:58:58,220 --> 00:59:00,680 But we want to get moving quickly 1119 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,680 and get those survey August 25. 1120 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,560 Thank you. 1121 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,520 Thank you. 1122 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,760 I think my mind went to the same place 1123 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,160 Laurel's did right off the bat, and as I read 1124 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,580 through the survey, I got to question 13, 1125 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:17,180 and it seems like that would fit in really well on that list. 1126 00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:20,330 We have Linkin Park already in there, 1127 00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:22,510 and that gives us that base level 1128 00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:25,070 of prioritization within the community 1129 00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:27,150 without it being fully. 1130 00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:29,830 Would you support a ballot measure to increase 1131 00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:33,030 taxes to support yada, yada. 1132 00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:35,270 This just really would truly say like, hey, this 1133 00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:38,990 is the true priority within our community. 1134 00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:42,470 And I would add, I'm happy to talk with the research team 1135 00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:45,170 and see if we can activate this earlier. 1136 00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:47,930 I mean, that timeline is just what we've always done, 1137 00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:51,750 but there's no reason to just see if we can bump it up as long 1138 00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:54,230 as they have the availability. 1139 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:55,130 Great thank you. 1140 00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:57,810 Did you see Council go ahead. 1141 00:59:57,810 --> 01:00:00,350 1142 01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:01,510 Yes, Mr. mayor. 1143 01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:06,590 I think the concern I have with relating something 1144 01:00:06,590 --> 01:00:10,350 like the Orchard Mason pool or something specific with that 1145 01:00:10,350 --> 01:00:15,510 that's tied with some of the local action groups 1146 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:19,710 that we have in our area is that I worry about the potential, 1147 01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:22,930 that it could skew the satisfaction feedback 1148 01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:26,170 that we get on our general performance, 1149 01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:28,890 on our other strategic goals. 1150 01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:33,730 And I'd like to I guess, Kelce's opinion on that, if there would 1151 01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:35,770 be any potential influence on that 1152 01:00:35,770 --> 01:00:40,050 and if those concerns are valid. 1153 01:00:40,050 --> 01:00:41,110 Great thanks, Robin. 1154 01:00:41,110 --> 01:00:43,810 1155 01:00:43,810 --> 01:00:44,870 Excellent. 1156 01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:49,410 1157 01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:49,910 Thank you. 1158 01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:51,570 Yeah, I did forget to mention that there's 1159 01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:52,750 actually two surveys. 1160 01:00:52,750 --> 01:00:56,670 And so the statistically valid survey, it is randomized. 1161 01:00:56,670 --> 01:01:00,170 And so I don't think that it would be an issue at all 1162 01:01:00,170 --> 01:01:02,190 with that validity piece. 1163 01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:03,390 It is random. 1164 01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:05,890 And the way that the question is written, 1165 01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:09,050 I don't see how that would impact the other questions 1166 01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:12,330 on that survey. 1167 01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:15,440 The thing I'm thinking about as I speak 1168 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,040 is that other piece and that is the online survey. 1169 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,580 And so anybody can actually take that version of it. 1170 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:26,040 But the thing is, we get to two sets of data. 1171 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,200 And so I don't think that there would be an issue 1172 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,560 there, because we really would be able to see a statistically 1173 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,480 valid survey and those results, and it wouldn't be 1174 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,500 skewed based on the language. 1175 01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:42,380 And then the other one, it could be impacted. 1176 01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:44,100 The numbers could be very different, 1177 01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:46,920 because you could essentially take that survey 1178 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,340 a million times if you wanted. 1179 01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:49,980 And so those numbers would be different. 1180 01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:53,500 But that's why we have the two separate surveys. 1181 01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:55,880 And so that would give us a guide there. 1182 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:56,640 Thank you. 1183 01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,960 That's been my concern so often about some of the feedback 1184 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,780 that we get on certain community things, 1185 01:02:02,780 --> 01:02:04,480 especially when you see Facebook posts 1186 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,360 trying to get people to jump in and jump on a survey. 1187 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,600 And it's their friends and their group that 1188 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,400 think like they do that are voting 1189 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,510 and maybe everybody in their household. 1190 01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:15,310 And maybe somebody goes forth once 1191 01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:18,490 and it really skews that person's knowing, hey, 1192 01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:20,550 we set these out in a randomized way. 1193 01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:22,910 We know who's filling out the survey 1194 01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:24,290 and where it's actually valid. 1195 01:02:24,290 --> 01:02:26,190 And so we don't have somebody trying to put their thumb 1196 01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:28,150 on the scale of the policy. 1197 01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:30,890 They actually are getting that statistically valid. 1198 01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:35,430 And just a survey result that we can count on. 1199 01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:37,050 Yeah I agree. 1200 01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:38,790 Thank you Scott. 1201 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:41,930 So I mean you guys have all heard this before, 1202 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:47,030 but it seems like there's the turnout is skewed 1203 01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:50,410 towards higher income, whiter neighborhoods, 1204 01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:53,830 older people blah blah blah. 1205 01:02:53,830 --> 01:02:59,670 Could you help me understand why you're saying that this turnout 1206 01:02:59,670 --> 01:03:04,570 is skewed towards because if you look at the statistics, 1207 01:03:04,570 --> 01:03:08,550 they come from specific zip codes more heavily. 1208 01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:10,350 So we've talked about this and they're 1209 01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:12,620 making they're making efforts to reach 1210 01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:14,420 out to other parts of town. 1211 01:03:14,420 --> 01:03:16,040 I mean, I could go into a lot more things, 1212 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,140 but we're not going to. 1213 01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:20,140 All I'm going to ask is that if there 1214 01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:29,300 are lower turnout neighborhoods, could we send them more US out. 1215 01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:31,660 Before you answer that, just for the premise of it. 1216 01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:32,440 Good, good. 1217 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,460 One of you address what Council has 1218 01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:44,500 said regarding as skewed towards white or whatever if just sorry 1219 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:45,940 if I missed anything. 1220 01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:49,180 Did they say that skewed toward the response 1221 01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:54,340 is coming from higher zip codes. 1222 01:03:54,340 --> 01:03:56,900 So I think correct me if I'm wrong, Kelsey, but the way 1223 01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:59,520 it works is those 08 or 09. 1224 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,260 I think it was 8. 1225 01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:05,960 Areas of the city, if you take a population of households, 1226 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,100 not people, how many households are 1227 01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:10,440 in each of those eight areas. 1228 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,920 That number is different. 1229 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,880 So some areas have a larger number 1230 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,080 and some areas have a smaller number. 1231 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:21,360 But they are trying to get the same percentage base from each. 1232 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,680 But if there's an area with a much larger number of households 1233 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,220 then for a statistically valid survey, 1234 01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:32,520 then it has to reach a certain threshold 1235 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,140 in households in that area. 1236 01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:37,080 But you expect to see more from a larger population. 1237 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,960 But the percentage base is similar to what 1238 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,800 they're trying to work on so that it's 1239 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,580 throughout the entire city. 1240 01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:46,440 And that's how they pull that. 1241 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,600 And then the number has to be clearly past what it 1242 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,100 would be statistically valid. 1243 01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,660 Or we would have to go out for more. 1244 01:04:53,660 --> 01:04:57,480 If not, or if we saw that one area did not respond, 1245 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,960 I think we then as a city would want the group to reach out 1246 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,600 to that area and make sure we're getting 1247 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,530 that response, because that would not be people's house. 1248 01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:09,730 Councilman? yeah. 1249 01:05:09,730 --> 01:05:12,950 Just kind of building off of maybe what I think Scott's 1250 01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:14,790 getting at. 1251 01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:19,950 So it sounds like people are determination of whether or it's 1252 01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:24,470 statistically valid is kind of based on a number of responses 1253 01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:27,930 from each kind of neighborhood. 1254 01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:33,150 Is that kind of my understanding that correctly. 1255 01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:40,750 So the yes, the number is important to represent 1256 01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:44,990 the community, but also how many people are getting it 1257 01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:47,550 within that population density. 1258 01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:48,410 And that makes sense. 1259 01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:51,150 And so breaking it out to those eight neighborhoods 1260 01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:54,990 allows the research team to really think through, 1261 01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:58,990 OK, are we getting a read from every neighborhood. 1262 01:05:58,990 --> 01:06:01,710 And if we're not I can't speak to what it was, 1263 01:06:01,710 --> 01:06:03,390 what was happening in the past. 1264 01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:05,690 But I can say that this year, moving forward, 1265 01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:08,220 that if we are seeing that we're not getting a good response 1266 01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:10,140 from a certain neighborhood, we would then reach out 1267 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:15,260 to the research team and see how can we incentivize 1268 01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:20,060 these individuals to submit that form, or do we need to find, 1269 01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,860 another household to fill it out in that neighborhood. 1270 01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:27,140 And I see here that we do have demographic data 1271 01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:28,320 as part of the survey. 1272 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,960 And I think what Scott might be getting at is we could come up, 1273 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,820 come into a situation where we have more 1274 01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:39,420 responses from various demographics 1275 01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:43,500 that don't actually match the demographics of our community. 1276 01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:47,100 Would it be statistically valid anymore. 1277 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:50,440 But if we're not evaluating it on that criteria, 1278 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,660 if we're just going based on number of people 1279 01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:59,000 from each region, we could have, for example, this example, 1280 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,700 we could have, let's say, our community 1281 01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,610 is probably I need some wine. 1282 01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:09,050 Like, we could have 95% of the respondents be white. 1283 01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:13,410 So it's valid in terms of the raw number of responses 1284 01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:15,970 we're getting but it's not really matching 1285 01:07:15,970 --> 01:07:18,970 up with our census data. 1286 01:07:18,970 --> 01:07:21,910 Yeah Johnny MacFarlane, assistant to the city manager, 1287 01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:24,930 just reminded me a very important piece that I missed. 1288 01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:26,150 So this is weighted. 1289 01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:31,570 So invite results are weighted by age and ethnicity. 1290 01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:34,010 And so that accounts for that OK. 1291 01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:35,570 Thank you. 1292 01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:38,730 I think that hits the nail on the head everybody. 1293 01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:42,030 Is any other comments on this. 1294 01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:43,130 Mike do you need anything from us 1295 01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:46,770 or is this kind of information more informational for us to 1296 01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:51,010 and get moving and get engaged with the group. 1297 01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:51,950 Of course, we can. 1298 01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:55,490 We can provide that final kind of draft 1299 01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:59,490 to make sure if there's other topic areas that you are 1300 01:07:59,490 --> 01:08:03,310 interested in, I think whether tonight or in future 1301 01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:06,510 workshops could be shared as we are still before we 1302 01:08:06,510 --> 01:08:09,310 get to the end of those stages. 1303 01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:12,030 But really, we want to just get moving on this as again, it's 1304 01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:15,030 a budgeted project and we want to engage the consultant, 1305 01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:16,870 get started with drafting the survey 1306 01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:23,790 so that we can get it out for people to take anything else. 1307 01:08:23,790 --> 01:08:28,149 No, I think if you're all good, I can see how early we can get 1308 01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:30,750 this moving and report back. 1309 01:08:30,750 --> 01:08:33,550 Yeah if you get some feedback from the consultant regarding 1310 01:08:33,550 --> 01:08:36,890 the appropriateness of bringing in the Orchard mesa pool, 1311 01:08:36,890 --> 01:08:39,870 or if we need to reach out because we can do some polling 1312 01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:43,630 on that separately if we really want to get that a 1313 01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:45,050 feel for the community on that. 1314 01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:47,109 And I know that does cost money, but we 1315 01:08:47,109 --> 01:08:49,710 can have that conversation separately just if it's 1316 01:08:49,710 --> 01:08:51,490 going to skew our results here. 1317 01:08:51,490 --> 01:08:54,109 But we'd love to hear the feedback that you bring us. 1318 01:08:54,109 --> 01:08:55,870 Yeah, definitely. 1319 01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:56,950 OK thank you. 1320 01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:57,450 Thank you. 1321 01:08:57,450 --> 01:08:59,109 Before we go on to item C, I just 1322 01:08:59,109 --> 01:09:02,120 want to check around the room, see if anybody needs a break. 1323 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,500 Before we move to our last item. 1324 01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,660 Yeah how about we do a five minute. 1325 01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:09,200 All right. 1326 01:09:09,200 --> 01:14:39,920 1327 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,960 And we are on to discussion topic C 1328 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,600 And this is going to be regarding our trails committee 1329 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:52,300 CC including a letter requesting representation on the housing 1330 01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:54,460 affordability task force. 1331 01:14:54,460 --> 01:14:58,100 And I will start this off with you, Mike. 1332 01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:58,840 All right thank you. 1333 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,100 Mayor members of council, this item, the city council 1334 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:06,580 received a letter from our urban trails committee 1335 01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:09,980 asking for a few things related to the housing 1336 01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:12,180 affordability task force. 1337 01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:16,980 And there's a recommendation that task force has been long 1338 01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:21,100 term, making bicycle parking from the land use code 1339 01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:24,340 and making changes to the short term bicycle 1340 01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:25,800 parking to the land use code. 1341 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,060 And representatives from the UTC had reached out 1342 01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:32,580 and met with the co-chairs of the housing 1343 01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:35,540 affordability task force. 1344 01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:38,860 And it's been a few months now, I believe. 1345 01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:43,180 And then seeing that recommendation was continuing 1346 01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:46,700 from the task force, the UTC sent the letter to council 1347 01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:53,530 to consider a member of the UTC on the affordability task force. 1348 01:15:53,530 --> 01:15:56,490 As you will recall the city council 1349 01:15:56,490 --> 01:16:01,650 all held a pretty extensive process for applications 1350 01:16:01,650 --> 01:16:03,290 for the housing affordability task 1351 01:16:03,290 --> 01:16:07,250 force that was geared towards those 1352 01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:09,230 in the development industry. 1353 01:16:09,230 --> 01:16:10,710 To be on that task force. 1354 01:16:10,710 --> 01:16:12,530 We have a number of committees, a number 1355 01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:13,810 of boards and commissions, and they 1356 01:16:13,810 --> 01:16:16,190 all have different focus areas. 1357 01:16:16,190 --> 01:16:20,670 And this one was created to be an industry led, staff, 1358 01:16:20,670 --> 01:16:24,410 supported focus on the code and opportunities 1359 01:16:24,410 --> 01:16:27,810 to find reductions to the cost of housing. 1360 01:16:27,810 --> 01:16:32,850 And we went through a process I should have I can't recall off 1361 01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:36,190 the top of my head, it was either 45 or 60 applicants, 1362 01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:40,370 and you narrowed that down through everybody 1363 01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:42,470 voting and ranking to 15. 1364 01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:45,410 And that created the housing affordability task force. 1365 01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:47,520 I think that's the history tonight. 1366 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,720 This was added on to the workshop 1367 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,520 after I heard and talked to at least four of you 1368 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,660 at the end of last week. 1369 01:16:55,660 --> 01:17:01,000 And so because we had two items that had the parties that were 1370 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,200 interested in coming to speak with us and discuss, 1371 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,840 we're not ready for tonight. 1372 01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,420 We had the room and so we got that on because in two weeks, 1373 01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:13,200 as we'll discuss later, is a full slate. 1374 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,600 Great thanks, Mike. 1375 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,920 So I'll bring this to council, but obviously 1376 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,320 and I just want to say for the record 1377 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,040 and I'll ask the staff at this to public record 1378 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,680 just in my letter is there. 1379 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,920 But I put once I saw that letter I put probably I'm going 1380 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,920 to guess 20 plus hours into this over the last several or well, 1381 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,920 since then, I think we received a letter on the 23rd. 1382 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,500 In seeing that statistic, that 20% claim, 1383 01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:44,180 obviously that jumped off the page at me. 1384 01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:46,730 So I put in. 1385 01:17:46,730 --> 01:17:50,790 I put in a lot of time on that, and I wrote a four page letter 1386 01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:54,510 after going through literally every recording of the UTC 1387 01:17:54,510 --> 01:17:57,870 meetings dating back to August and creating transcripts 1388 01:17:57,870 --> 01:18:01,050 and pulling exact quotes pertaining to that. 1389 01:18:01,050 --> 01:18:06,190 So with that, I think you probably heard enough from me 1390 01:18:06,190 --> 01:18:06,850 on this. 1391 01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:09,630 With that just in general, I want to bring this back 1392 01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:11,730 to council for discussion. 1393 01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:14,570 So I don't want to reiterate what I wrote in the letter. 1394 01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:19,910 But again, just for the sake of just the record, 1395 01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:21,330 I'll have staff for that. 1396 01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:23,970 And as part of the package for tonight's after the fact, 1397 01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:27,950 just so it's there as a course. 1398 01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:37,430 So with regards to a member of the UTC being appointed 1399 01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:42,510 to the housing affordability task force, 1400 01:18:42,510 --> 01:18:47,250 I think that might pretty clearly went through the process 1401 01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:48,830 that we had, and I do. 1402 01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:53,390 I'm not against having representation there, 1403 01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:56,410 but we do have the voice of Jason 1404 01:18:56,410 --> 01:18:59,970 as well, because he's the UTC liaison 1405 01:18:59,970 --> 01:19:02,330 and he's one of the three council 1406 01:19:02,330 --> 01:19:06,050 members that's on the housing affordability task force. 1407 01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:10,310 So I wanted to ask you, what your thoughts are on that. 1408 01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:14,030 Do you feel like you're able to liaison somewhat. 1409 01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:17,970 So I think in terms of the ask of the UTC, 1410 01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:21,730 I think I personally think it's a reasonable one, primarily 1411 01:19:21,730 --> 01:19:26,730 because there are people on UTC who have experience 1412 01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:30,790 both as somebody who kind of lives and breathes this stuff, 1413 01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:33,410 they use their bike to get around 1414 01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:35,890 and they have worked in development. 1415 01:19:35,890 --> 01:19:38,730 They're like project engineers supported 1416 01:19:38,730 --> 01:19:40,710 like implementing these codes. 1417 01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:44,880 And so I think they had like I get the piece of where 1418 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,200 the friction points are, where I think they would add value 1419 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:54,920 is around of what tweaks or solutions or ways can 1420 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,920 we still meet that demand in a less expensive way. 1421 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,240 That's where I don't have the expertise. 1422 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,600 So that can I respond. 1423 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,560 Sure so and I think that's an important voice to have. 1424 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:13,400 But I think that they could come to those meetings as guests too, 1425 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,260 versus having to sit through all of the code talk, 1426 01:20:17,260 --> 01:20:20,120 because I know that's yeah, real hard for someone who 1427 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,540 doesn't want to listen to that. 1428 01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:24,560 And I agree, I think that there's obviously a lot 1429 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,160 that the task force has been working 1430 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,300 on that has no real nexus to utc's interests. 1431 01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,340 But there is a decent amount. 1432 01:20:33,340 --> 01:20:34,260 There's bipartisan. 1433 01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:37,220 There's the stuff that hasn't really started yet. 1434 01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:39,920 So I think those are the two areas where 1435 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,470 I could see that type of perspective 1436 01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:44,830 adding value to the discussion. 1437 01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:46,590 So I literally during our last housing 1438 01:20:46,590 --> 01:20:47,830 affordability task force, I think 1439 01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:48,930 you were in another meeting. 1440 01:20:48,930 --> 01:20:50,850 So this is not an attack on your attendance at all. 1441 01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:52,590 I literally you were in the City Hall 1442 01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:54,270 at that time in another meeting. 1443 01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:58,790 But we were talking about, parking a chance 1444 01:20:58,790 --> 01:21:00,470 and we were talking about the importance 1445 01:21:00,470 --> 01:21:01,770 of two points of contact. 1446 01:21:01,770 --> 01:21:05,590 And we were debating on whether or not that was for security 1447 01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:07,190 to secure the bike, or whether it was 1448 01:21:07,190 --> 01:21:08,250 to keep it from falling over. 1449 01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:10,410 And I was like, well, Jason, what are you doing. 1450 01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:12,830 And I mean that in sincerity. 1451 01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:14,690 But it was. 1452 01:21:14,690 --> 01:21:16,450 But I can see in that. 1453 01:21:16,450 --> 01:21:20,730 From that say, hey, we're going to be talking about this issue. 1454 01:21:20,730 --> 01:21:23,390 Let's invite somebody in to have part of that. 1455 01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:26,870 Let's have those people in the conversation 1456 01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:29,070 so we can consult with them. 1457 01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:33,030 I just I'm not going to. 1458 01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:35,630 Yeah so I think that the concern I have 1459 01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:38,770 is that the planning commission also had requested 1460 01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:42,130 to add an additional or have an additional representative there, 1461 01:21:42,130 --> 01:21:46,510 but they were told by council that we decided 1462 01:21:46,510 --> 01:21:48,410 to stick with the people who went through the application 1463 01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:50,970 process. 1464 01:21:50,970 --> 01:21:55,370 And then it was the decision that at any point, 1465 01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:58,650 first of all, people are more than welcome to either attend 1466 01:21:58,650 --> 01:22:04,490 or to watch it and provide comment, but they can also 1467 01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:09,090 we can also discuss that as an invitation to have them be part 1468 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:12,430 of that conversation, because we literally spent, 1469 01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:16,490 I think, 45 minutes talking about the two points of contact 1470 01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:17,350 for. 1471 01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:19,650 Oh yes, it was. 1472 01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:22,590 Scott, did you have some response in that. 1473 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:23,850 I do see Scott. 1474 01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:27,450 No, I was just going to say that I'm supportive of that kind 1475 01:22:27,450 --> 01:22:29,850 of bringing them in because yeah, I mean, 1476 01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:32,370 there's enough that the task force is looking at that 1477 01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:34,210 doesn't really have access to. 1478 01:22:34,210 --> 01:22:37,360 And the UTC is looking at that. 1479 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,320 But I do think that would provide valuable perspective 1480 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,640 on those specific areas. 1481 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:52,120 So, so there is a pathway for outside input into this for the. 1482 01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,360 Yeah Yeah and they've been doing that all along. 1483 01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,980 Nobody's really asked. 1484 01:22:57,980 --> 01:23:01,800 Well I mean it's a public meeting that attendance 1485 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,580 is open to anyone. 1486 01:23:03,580 --> 01:23:04,580 Anyone can watch it. 1487 01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:10,360 The signs are posted and so has anybody come in. 1488 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,380 Well They've had guests come in to discuss certain things, 1489 01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:19,900 like we talked about the Roaring Fork irrigation issue. 1490 01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:24,960 So we had an attorney come in and discuss what that looks how 1491 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,260 that could impact development. 1492 01:23:27,260 --> 01:23:29,160 And so I mean, so it's appropriate. 1493 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,280 Yeah and that was the suggestion from the task force as well. 1494 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:42,190 Yeah Another example was the CEO of an irrigation company in town 1495 01:23:42,190 --> 01:23:46,610 that ended up meeting requesting how do I share some feedback. 1496 01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:49,730 And so we connected her with the chairs, 1497 01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,510 and the chairs met with them. 1498 01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:54,750 I think one thing to keep in mind, kind of in general 1499 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:58,070 with all boards and commissions and policy decisions 1500 01:23:58,070 --> 01:24:04,430 that council ends up making, is that as you. 1501 01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:08,310 This group will make recommendations to the council. 1502 01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:10,810 And before council makes final decisions, 1503 01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:15,430 you also have the ability to call in other perspectives 1504 01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:18,270 if you need that at that level. 1505 01:24:18,270 --> 01:24:22,110 But the group I mean, it is a public meeting 1506 01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:23,710 so people can attend. 1507 01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:26,170 They can't necessarily they can attend and listen. 1508 01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:32,350 They're not necessarily involved in trying to give us a workshop. 1509 01:24:32,350 --> 01:24:34,580 But I know members of the committee 1510 01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:38,460 are willing to sit down and listen as well. 1511 01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:41,940 Those are the only things I can think of off the top of my head 1512 01:24:41,940 --> 01:24:43,020 here. 1513 01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:45,900 So I have some. 1514 01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:48,800 OK go ahead, Mr. mayor. 1515 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,580 Thank you. 1516 01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:59,360 I guess I view this whole thing like on the forestry board. 1517 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,060 I know that there's members of the forestry board 1518 01:25:01,060 --> 01:25:04,540 that would like to have a talking 1519 01:25:04,540 --> 01:25:07,040 point with this task force. 1520 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,900 I'm sure that there's other boards as well 1521 01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:12,700 that would like to have, a say in what 1522 01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:14,280 this task force is doing. 1523 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,800 And let's take this task force out of it. 1524 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,260 I mean, there's times that the forestry board would like 1525 01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:24,500 to have a conversation with the UTC about certain things 1526 01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:27,000 that they're recommending and pushing forward as well. 1527 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,620 I mean, the thing is these are all different committees 1528 01:25:31,620 --> 01:25:35,620 and boards that are specifically designed to advise us. 1529 01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:41,360 And, if the UTC has an issue with something that the task 1530 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,320 force is pushing forward, then they 1531 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:48,220 can advise us, just like the UTC or just like the task force can. 1532 01:25:48,220 --> 01:25:52,293 And I don't really I don't want to beat around the bush 1533 01:25:52,293 --> 01:25:54,360 too much, but it seems like this is the second time that we've 1534 01:25:54,360 --> 01:26:01,360 brought up the UTC in the context of I mean, frankly, them 1535 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,960 overtly opposing some of the strategies 1536 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,700 that our council is trying to go for. 1537 01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:14,500 And, I understand its purpose. 1538 01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:17,700 I understand that they've got a task to do, 1539 01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:21,460 but it doesn't feel increasingly, 1540 01:26:21,460 --> 01:26:26,240 it feels as though this committee, the UTC, 1541 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,950 is working more and more against the council body 1542 01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:32,930 than they are trying to advise us. 1543 01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:36,110 And maybe that's wrong, but I mean. 1544 01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:39,990 At least from where we're sitting, 1545 01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:44,430 it appears as though that that's what's happening. 1546 01:26:44,430 --> 01:26:46,730 Before if I can just insert this now. 1547 01:26:46,730 --> 01:26:48,090 And if it makes sense to council, 1548 01:26:48,090 --> 01:26:49,910 this isn't me saying we have to do it this way. 1549 01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:51,470 I think it might make sense for us 1550 01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:58,150 as a group to decide if we agree to. 1551 01:26:58,150 --> 01:27:02,950 UTC representing a representation on a CDF, 1552 01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:05,710 or if we can just say, hey, our meetings are open. 1553 01:27:05,710 --> 01:27:08,710 They can attend and that should suffice because we're not going 1554 01:27:08,710 --> 01:27:10,950 to give them a seat and then we can 1555 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:13,870 speak specifically after that. 1556 01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:16,210 So we don't conflate the issues. 1557 01:27:16,210 --> 01:27:19,770 I think we should just out of respect for the letter itself, 1558 01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:22,350 if that makes sense to everybody, just deal with that 1559 01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:24,210 and then we can talk about the other things. 1560 01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:26,010 And did you have something. 1561 01:27:26,010 --> 01:27:27,790 Yeah Robert kind of hit it square 1562 01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:29,280 on the head in my opinion. 1563 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,940 I look at historic preservation. 1564 01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:34,300 How many of them would like to have 1565 01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:36,380 a seat on planning commission. 1566 01:27:36,380 --> 01:27:40,380 That's frankly the majority of boards 1567 01:27:40,380 --> 01:27:44,660 and would like to have a seat on planning commission and going 1568 01:27:44,660 --> 01:27:47,500 off what Robert had to say a little bit is these boards are 1569 01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:50,620 meant to be supportive and they're experts 1570 01:27:50,620 --> 01:27:54,200 within their industry, within their department to support, 1571 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,220 to give us their expertise. 1572 01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:59,820 So I do truly, when we do get a letter to council talking 1573 01:27:59,820 --> 01:28:03,220 about a housing affordability task force recommendation, 1574 01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:06,740 in my opinion, that's the best way that should be handled, 1575 01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:09,620 because we are getting that input from the task force 1576 01:28:09,620 --> 01:28:12,040 or not from the task force, but from the urban trails, 1577 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,700 from the committee itself. 1578 01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:15,940 But instead of it being. 1579 01:28:15,940 --> 01:28:20,060 1580 01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:23,360 More advocating, it's more just a supportive role. 1581 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,560 I look at these boards and these commissions, 1582 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,850 they're designed to be supported and designed 1583 01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:29,930 to support the city council and the direction 1584 01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:31,870 city council goes in. 1585 01:28:31,870 --> 01:28:34,890 I think sometimes having a little bit of a reset 1586 01:28:34,890 --> 01:28:37,730 within these boards to have a conversation about what 1587 01:28:37,730 --> 01:28:41,010 our goals are and where we're trying to head as a community 1588 01:28:41,010 --> 01:28:42,650 can be really important. 1589 01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:45,570 Because at the end of the day, we are the elected officials 1590 01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:48,750 and we do get a sense of direction in the community. 1591 01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:52,050 But we are very, very lucky to have these experts 1592 01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:53,950 as well to help guide us. 1593 01:28:53,950 --> 01:28:56,010 So I do want to come back to that, but just 1594 01:28:56,010 --> 01:28:59,630 and I didn't ask council member Ballard this specifically, 1595 01:28:59,630 --> 01:29:02,610 but I guess I'll come back to him. 1596 01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:06,890 I'm taking it that you are not in favor of giving the UTC 1597 01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:09,610 a position on the housing. 1598 01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:10,110 I'm not. 1599 01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:11,290 I think that's a really dangerous 1600 01:29:11,290 --> 01:29:15,150 precedent to set just across all of our boards and commissions. 1601 01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:18,450 We're just opening the door at that point for everyone 1602 01:29:18,450 --> 01:29:21,770 to be asking for having seats on everybody else's, and it 1603 01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:23,290 just can get really sloppy. 1604 01:29:23,290 --> 01:29:25,890 And just so I'm not assuming your position, 1605 01:29:25,890 --> 01:29:26,770 council member Ballard. 1606 01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:34,590 You're also opposed to the UTC having a seat on the housing 1607 01:29:34,590 --> 01:29:37,230 affordability task forces. 1608 01:29:37,230 --> 01:29:38,870 Yeah that's correct if they want. 1609 01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:41,910 I mean I'm open to any concerns that they have. 1610 01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:46,190 I know that they sent us a letter about their concerns 1611 01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:48,510 with some decisions recently, but I 1612 01:29:48,510 --> 01:29:50,050 think that's the appropriate channel, 1613 01:29:50,050 --> 01:29:53,550 not putting them in that committee. 1614 01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:58,350 OK I don't 10 months. 1615 01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:03,790 I think I made my statement, but just to add on, 1616 01:30:03,790 --> 01:30:08,390 I do think that it's OK for other boards and commissions 1617 01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:10,690 to communicate with other boards and commissions. 1618 01:30:10,690 --> 01:30:14,190 And if forestry wants to talk to UTC 1619 01:30:14,190 --> 01:30:18,810 or to the housing affordability task force, those are options. 1620 01:30:18,810 --> 01:30:22,310 All they can do is just send that email requesting, 1621 01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:25,600 the chair of that group, and they're all pointed out. 1622 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:26,280 You can attend. 1623 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,240 Everybody can attend anybody's meeting and speak publicly. 1624 01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,060 But even if they wanted to try to come as a guest speaker 1625 01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:36,960 when with visit Grand Junction, every single meeting, 1626 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,700 we have a guest speaker from somewhere that's coming 1627 01:30:39,700 --> 01:30:41,160 and talking and giving updates. 1628 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:46,020 And so that's something that can just be a collaborative approach 1629 01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:48,900 to some of these as well. 1630 01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:50,780 Yeah, I'm fine with that. 1631 01:30:50,780 --> 01:30:54,160 I think the one thing I would maybe mention, 1632 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:59,220 though, is that I think knowing when 1633 01:30:59,220 --> 01:31:03,380 and this will probably just be on the agendas and agendas, 1634 01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:07,420 knowing when is a meeting that is like a good time to engage 1635 01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:10,900 or maybe that could be just agendize 1636 01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:12,320 like, hey, this is a meeting. 1637 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:17,020 We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff like that. 1638 01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:17,800 That would be helpful. 1639 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:22,890 I think then just kind of relying on people's availability 1640 01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:26,897 happening to line up when they can eat. 1641 01:31:26,897 --> 01:31:28,130 I like that idea, and it could easily 1642 01:31:28,130 --> 01:31:29,930 be a request from one chair to another 1643 01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:32,070 to say, hey, I'd love you to attend. 1644 01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:33,970 Could you get us on your agenda. 1645 01:31:33,970 --> 01:31:36,130 But put us on there because we'd like to talk specifically 1646 01:31:36,130 --> 01:31:38,650 about long term parking and what those costs 1647 01:31:38,650 --> 01:31:41,370 are versus the benefits. 1648 01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:42,450 Yeah easy. 1649 01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:44,370 Yeah Scott. 1650 01:31:44,370 --> 01:31:45,530 Sorry, Councilwoman. 1651 01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:48,490 This is your last name. 1652 01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:49,190 Oh, good. 1653 01:31:49,190 --> 01:31:57,650 As long as I mean, my comments were addressed so well. 1654 01:31:57,650 --> 01:31:58,530 Thank you. 1655 01:31:58,530 --> 01:32:01,330 I do have some direction on that. 1656 01:32:01,330 --> 01:32:02,770 Yes thank you. 1657 01:32:02,770 --> 01:32:04,990 Great actually, sorry. 1658 01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:07,970 Sorry to interrupt, but can we. 1659 01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:09,550 How do we communicate back to them. 1660 01:32:09,550 --> 01:32:10,530 Is that through. 1661 01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:12,270 Through the council liaison. 1662 01:32:12,270 --> 01:32:14,330 Is that just. 1663 01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:16,570 Do you want to deliver that. 1664 01:32:16,570 --> 01:32:19,490 Yeah, I think that would be well received. 1665 01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:22,000 Jason Jesus. 1666 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,600 So, OK, the other part of this and less one part of this, 1667 01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:31,560 just this letter really, really concerned me 1668 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,560 where they're signing the US census data, claiming 1669 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,040 that 20% of Grand Junction useful workforce 1670 01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,760 doesn't use a personal vehicle, which might be true. 1671 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,680 They had argued to say, to try to make it 29 or 30 1672 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:52,280 and then but they end up admitting that this is regarding 1673 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:53,540 it's regarding bike parking. 1674 01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:55,900 And there's only two he says 2 and 1/2, I think. 1675 01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:58,280 Census Genesis two. 1676 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,820 So in a town of 70,000, what are we talking, 1,400 people. 1677 01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:09,300 But it's like that 2% disguising itself as 29% was my concern. 1678 01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:10,500 And that's what got my attention. 1679 01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:14,480 That's why I spent so much time in this 1680 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:17,800 and going through and listening to one of our former city 1681 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,020 employees talk about basically pushing 1682 01:33:20,020 --> 01:33:21,880 back right against council. 1683 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,140 Actually, two of our former employees 1684 01:33:23,140 --> 01:33:25,540 talking about pushing back against council 1685 01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:27,980 and resisting them. 1686 01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:32,200 And so it wasn't just that the letter was written, 1687 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,860 in my opinion, with the intent to mislead council, 1688 01:33:36,860 --> 01:33:40,260 both that and the other one, they 1689 01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:43,540 were talking about hearing from local community members 1690 01:33:43,540 --> 01:33:46,220 about the committee has heard from local community members 1691 01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:49,380 by bicycle theft is a major issue. 1692 01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:51,680 I was a detective in the police department. 1693 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,700 You might recall seeing my picture on the front page 1694 01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:57,820 of the police department, of the local paper, on a chop shop 1695 01:33:57,820 --> 01:34:01,640 that we uncovered and worked. 1696 01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,340 And that was we were using bikes because there 1697 01:34:03,340 --> 01:34:04,900 was a problem like this. 1698 01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:06,860 I will tell you that all the bike thefts were coming 1699 01:34:06,860 --> 01:34:10,540 from mostly on campus and from bikes 1700 01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:13,760 and securities were locked, because that's where they go. 1701 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,380 They have a selection of bikes to choose from. 1702 01:34:16,380 --> 01:34:19,290 Then they cut or break those locks, 1703 01:34:19,290 --> 01:34:21,050 and they start breaking those bikes down right away 1704 01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:22,510 and selling my parts generally. 1705 01:34:22,510 --> 01:34:25,810 That's why you see pictures sometimes of lots 1706 01:34:25,810 --> 01:34:28,570 of my girls and my parts, because they're broken down 1707 01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:30,490 and parts are sold. 1708 01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:34,510 So when I listened to when that obviously got my attention, 1709 01:34:34,510 --> 01:34:39,470 I listened specifically and then made the transcript. 1710 01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:41,410 So you can go through and keyword search. 1711 01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:44,890 And there was nobody visited the committee talking about bicycle 1712 01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:47,770 theft being any issue. 1713 01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:50,290 There was the only discussion was, I think, in April 8 1714 01:34:50,290 --> 01:34:53,210 meeting where they actually talked about adding it 1715 01:34:53,210 --> 01:34:54,970 into the letter. 1716 01:34:54,970 --> 01:34:58,370 So obviously concerning there, I know that they were trying 1717 01:34:58,370 --> 01:35:01,890 to accomplish something, but it worries me about how 1718 01:35:01,890 --> 01:35:03,650 they were trying to do it. 1719 01:35:03,650 --> 01:35:10,970 And then again, about policy specifically, 1720 01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:13,430 they claim that they have authority. 1721 01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:16,840 It was in their letter, basically directing council 1722 01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,960 on policy and much, much different 1723 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,760 direction than just what our resolution says 1724 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,760 and what their bylaws say. 1725 01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,920 Because they're basically as a former employee 1726 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,760 told them to continue leading staff 1727 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,600 to focus beyond infrastructure and really learning 1728 01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,920 being into that policy area. 1729 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,800 And I get their advisory, I have this conversation with John 1730 01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:40,980 Schaefer back in July. 1731 01:35:40,980 --> 01:35:46,760 I had a conversation with Jeremiah regarding. 1732 01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,680 But they are advisory and we can take or leave their advice, 1733 01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,080 but it's when they couple their advice with information 1734 01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:55,600 that's not accurate. 1735 01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:56,940 That's a problem for me. 1736 01:35:56,940 --> 01:36:01,020 So that's what I wanted to talk about here in context of this. 1737 01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:03,640 And just to tell you where I'm going is that I'm concerned 1738 01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:08,000 about that resolution and wanting to close the loopholes 1739 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,560 that Henry, that Henry Brown former employee 1740 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,160 was leaning into to say anything in the comprehensive plan. 1741 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:16,840 Anything in the plan. 1742 01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,080 Is the utc's business versus saying, hey UTC, 1743 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:21,660 you are super important to us. 1744 01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:24,380 We really want to have safe, multimodal infrastructure 1745 01:36:24,380 --> 01:36:25,940 within our community. 1746 01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:28,860 We want you to do great work in that area as they do. 1747 01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:31,060 No question they do. 1748 01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:33,940 But it's that small percentage. 1749 01:36:33,940 --> 01:36:35,460 That's a problem. 1750 01:36:35,460 --> 01:36:38,700 And all the commentary that comes along when they don't like 1751 01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:41,100 a decision that council makes and talking 1752 01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:44,840 about reinstating mobility director's position, 1753 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:45,920 we just have to wait them out. 1754 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,740 We just have to wait this council out. 1755 01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:49,120 We'll make this change. 1756 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,520 We're going to do the safe street. 1757 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,420 We're going to do all these things. 1758 01:36:52,420 --> 01:36:53,480 That's concerning to me. 1759 01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:58,740 So that's why I wrote this letter to council just 1760 01:36:58,740 --> 01:37:02,080 to provide additional documentation, 1761 01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,640 again, based on my background. 1762 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,380 That's how I work. 1763 01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:09,860 And I wanted to just lay it out and make that case. 1764 01:37:09,860 --> 01:37:11,850 Yeah so I think a couple things. 1765 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:15,890 First first thing is, I think you're kind 1766 01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:17,310 of conflating two things here. 1767 01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:19,770 You're complaining kind of discussion 1768 01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:23,130 that's happened in the meeting and sometimes from just purely 1769 01:37:23,130 --> 01:37:24,530 members of the public, even though they 1770 01:37:24,530 --> 01:37:28,130 are former city employees and the actions 1771 01:37:28,130 --> 01:37:30,290 that the board has taken. 1772 01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:34,090 And I think you're raising concerns 1773 01:37:34,090 --> 01:37:36,310 about a lot of the discussion. 1774 01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:39,930 And I would that's almost like saying like some 1775 01:37:39,930 --> 01:37:42,550 of these public comment in the council meeting, 1776 01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:45,810 like us taking ownership of that because they're 1777 01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:47,130 just purely members of the public 1778 01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:48,590 has to have experience with the city. 1779 01:37:48,590 --> 01:37:54,010 But Jenny and Henry have no standing beyond just being 1780 01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:55,850 members of the public that way. 1781 01:37:55,850 --> 01:38:00,630 So a lot of those concerns about what they're saying, like, yeah, 1782 01:38:00,630 --> 01:38:02,730 we can be concerned about it, but they're 1783 01:38:02,730 --> 01:38:07,130 not impacting anything that the board is fundamentally doing. 1784 01:38:07,130 --> 01:38:09,730 So I think that that's one point I'd 1785 01:38:09,730 --> 01:38:13,320 I make the second point I make is, yeah, 1786 01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,420 they're purely advisory. 1787 01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:17,400 And at the end of the day, counsel 1788 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,160 is the one making policy. 1789 01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,200 It feels like a lot of the concerns 1790 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:26,240 are around discussions and some criticisms 1791 01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:34,320 that the board is not formally written a letter saying like. 1792 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,400 We don't like what you did on fourth and 5 Street. 1793 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,540 Like, change it back. 1794 01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:39,960 I think that's what I was like. 1795 01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:45,480 I think we're kind of like you're taking little snippets 1796 01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:49,000 of things that have been said by one board member 1797 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:55,640 and using that as the basis for broadly, 1798 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:59,100 I don't know what you're kind of hoping for, 1799 01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,560 but it feels like you're using that to broadly 1800 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:06,640 rein in, punish whatever. 1801 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,810 China with this board work on the Minecraft example. 1802 01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:14,350 I think that your experience is actually 1803 01:39:14,350 --> 01:39:19,550 super relevant to what raised this concern for the committee. 1804 01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:21,990 All those examples, I think, are what would be considered 1805 01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:24,710 short term bike parking. 1806 01:39:24,710 --> 01:39:26,190 The idea of long term bike parking 1807 01:39:26,190 --> 01:39:28,530 is just another layer of security. 1808 01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:32,530 And that's why it's important is because short term isn't secure. 1809 01:39:32,530 --> 01:39:35,230 Like the general rule of thumb is like short term 1810 01:39:35,230 --> 01:39:36,630 somewhere where you're OK leaving 1811 01:39:36,630 --> 01:39:38,850 it for one to three hours. 1812 01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:41,230 Long term day, three to eight kind of thing. 1813 01:39:41,230 --> 01:39:47,830 And so the threshold and that's super relevant like and so 1814 01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:57,990 that's why I think the committee was concerned is that it seemed 1815 01:39:57,990 --> 01:40:00,370 like the task force was proposing to admit, 1816 01:40:00,370 --> 01:40:04,350 like to remove this really important 1817 01:40:04,350 --> 01:40:07,090 piece of infrastructure. 1818 01:40:07,090 --> 01:40:08,930 And yes, it's not. 1819 01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:13,970 Maybe it's 2% We don't look at the small number 1820 01:40:13,970 --> 01:40:15,030 of disabled people. 1821 01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:18,270 We have in the community and say, oh, they're just 5% 1822 01:40:18,270 --> 01:40:21,990 So we don't need 80 spaces like it. 1823 01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:27,050 I think there's a comparable parallel there 1824 01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:28,710 that is worth considering. 1825 01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:33,450 So yeah, those are just some thoughts I had. 1826 01:40:33,450 --> 01:40:34,450 Thank you. 1827 01:40:34,450 --> 01:40:39,930 Thanks Robert. 1828 01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:42,250 Thank you mayor. 1829 01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:46,010 So I guess this is a question for council member Nguyen. 1830 01:40:46,010 --> 01:40:52,650 Would you say that the UTC is generally supportive. 1831 01:40:52,650 --> 01:40:55,190 I guess that's not even the correct term. 1832 01:40:55,190 --> 01:41:01,010 Would you say that the UTC is in any way, shape, or form 1833 01:41:01,010 --> 01:41:04,010 in opposition to the general direction 1834 01:41:04,010 --> 01:41:08,680 that city council is focusing on with the strategic plan. 1835 01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:10,260 I'm not talking about politics. 1836 01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:14,400 I'm talking about us like we are trying to go for a goal right 1837 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,360 now, specifically with this task force 1838 01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,840 to make housing generally across the board, 1839 01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,240 more affordable in our community. 1840 01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:28,360 We're trying to make our infrastructure work 1841 01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,780 for everyone, which includes multimodal, 1842 01:41:31,780 --> 01:41:36,360 but it's not a bike centric infrastructure like it. 1843 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:41,240 Do you get a sense that the UTC, when they have their meetings, 1844 01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:48,160 are just overtly opposed to the city council 1845 01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,540 and are just waiting this out. 1846 01:41:50,540 --> 01:41:54,680 1847 01:41:54,680 --> 01:42:00,360 I can't speak for each individual on that board. 1848 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:01,960 I think in any board you're going to have 1849 01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,710 a mix of opinions on any issue. 1850 01:42:05,710 --> 01:42:08,270 But I would say broadly, the board would 1851 01:42:08,270 --> 01:42:11,650 be supportive of those efforts. 1852 01:42:11,650 --> 01:42:15,110 And that's why I think they raised this concern, is 1853 01:42:15,110 --> 01:42:20,990 because the initial task force recommendation was eliminating 1854 01:42:20,990 --> 01:42:24,750 long term bike parking, for example, in multifamily housing, 1855 01:42:24,750 --> 01:42:30,250 that's a use case where I think personally, 1856 01:42:30,250 --> 01:42:34,790 I think it's bad policy to just wholesale eliminate it. 1857 01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:40,110 I think that lack of nuance from the task force 1858 01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:46,150 is what got UTC concerned, instead of tweaking, 1859 01:42:46,150 --> 01:42:48,230 what can we count towards this. 1860 01:42:48,230 --> 01:42:51,910 We have these kind of standards of a minimum number of bike 1861 01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:55,070 parking spaces, instead of tweaking, OK, 1862 01:42:55,070 --> 01:43:02,200 do we need 0.1 spaces per x number of residents or do we. 1863 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,220 Can we get by with something less or. 1864 01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:06,820 We're like, what can count towards that goal was just 1865 01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:08,580 like, nope, we don't need it. 1866 01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:09,560 We're eliminating it. 1867 01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,860 And that's kind of I think what really ultimately spurred 1868 01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:18,220 the concern from the community. 1869 01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:22,780 So I think and I understand that, 1870 01:43:22,780 --> 01:43:26,420 and we've had some conversation on it, 1871 01:43:26,420 --> 01:43:31,140 I think from the housing affordability task force 1872 01:43:31,140 --> 01:43:35,420 perspective, it's not about we don't want to support bike 1873 01:43:35,420 --> 01:43:38,220 infrastructure, but it's more about removing 1874 01:43:38,220 --> 01:43:42,480 unnecessary regulation. 1875 01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,660 And so in their minds, that doesn't 1876 01:43:44,660 --> 01:43:45,673 mean they won't build it. 1877 01:43:45,673 --> 01:43:47,040 And this is the conversation they've had. 1878 01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,540 It's just because it's not required doesn't 1879 01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:49,820 mean they won't build it. 1880 01:43:49,820 --> 01:43:53,440 However, if they don't build it, it's not used. 1881 01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:55,760 And then if there's and we've talked about that, 1882 01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,660 where if you build it then it will be used 1883 01:43:58,660 --> 01:44:01,260 and then it'll be something that's in demand. 1884 01:44:01,260 --> 01:44:03,980 But if it's not built, how do you get to that point. 1885 01:44:03,980 --> 01:44:08,460 So just to clarify from and I'm not advocating either way. 1886 01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:12,760 It's more of just a perspective, because I think that I've heard 1887 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,760 conversations in our community where it's 1888 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:22,880 been so-and-so doesn't want bikes or so-and-so does 1889 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:23,780 only wants bikes. 1890 01:44:23,780 --> 01:44:25,020 And I don't think that's the case. 1891 01:44:25,020 --> 01:44:28,680 And I think that there are ways to provide 1892 01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,120 that infrastructure without necessarily making 1893 01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,480 it be a part of the code. 1894 01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:36,840 But I do understand at the same time, if it's not, 1895 01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:37,820 how do we get there. 1896 01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:40,420 So if I can pull that back just a little bit, 1897 01:44:40,420 --> 01:44:43,600 just so we're on because I don't want to get into talking 1898 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,000 necessarily about the code. 1899 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,320 But I do want to talk about because this isn't just about 1900 01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,500 a couple former employees. 1901 01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:54,840 This is about current UTC members 1902 01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:59,050 saying some pretty creating derogatory things, 1903 01:44:59,050 --> 01:45:01,070 but I see it as derogatory. 1904 01:45:01,070 --> 01:45:04,190 I know the current council, city council and the climate 1905 01:45:04,190 --> 01:45:06,630 and we're not on board with that just 1906 01:45:06,630 --> 01:45:07,890 because of all the backlash. 1907 01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:10,710 I don't think it's a good idea to totally be shut down 1908 01:45:10,710 --> 01:45:13,370 through the Be thrown out with the bath water, 1909 01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:15,990 and then it goes on to when the time is right. 1910 01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:18,030 In five years, we're going to make sure that position 1911 01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:21,870 gets back in February. 1912 01:45:21,870 --> 01:45:26,610 And then so this is speaking about the UTC members. 1913 01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:28,870 Sorry, this is UTC speaking about the housing 1914 01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:30,990 affordability task force. 1915 01:45:30,990 --> 01:45:33,710 And when they were talking about them being industry 1916 01:45:33,710 --> 01:45:35,750 so so they're rich people. 1917 01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:37,490 Yeah they're rich people period. 1918 01:45:37,490 --> 01:45:39,030 They're not actually living in houses 1919 01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:40,550 that might need to get on their bike 1920 01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:43,190 to get to a construction job. 1921 01:45:43,190 --> 01:45:45,490 It is entirely driven by industry. 1922 01:45:45,490 --> 01:45:47,930 So guess what's going to happen. 1923 01:45:47,930 --> 01:45:51,190 We all know that this is more of a backlash 1924 01:45:51,190 --> 01:45:54,110 against the COVID requirements from 22 and 23. 1925 01:45:54,110 --> 01:45:58,660 Not in not for the guise eyes of affordability. 1926 01:45:58,660 --> 01:46:02,140 The name sounds really great, but they want to Nerf the code 1927 01:46:02,140 --> 01:46:05,980 and could have backlash on it. 1928 01:46:05,980 --> 01:46:07,820 And then again in March. 1929 01:46:07,820 --> 01:46:09,920 I really don't want to go Rogan. 1930 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,180 But yeah, we're here to advise counsel. 1931 01:46:13,180 --> 01:46:15,900 And in April Eric with the data he 1932 01:46:15,900 --> 01:46:18,300 was able to justify 20% number. 1933 01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:22,620 That's like 2.5% of used bikes. 1934 01:46:22,620 --> 01:46:26,340 And yeah, this is a good place for us to stamp all over there. 1935 01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:30,060 29% of people, people in transportation 1936 01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:34,060 get the people or transportation to work 1937 01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:35,320 in something other than a car. 1938 01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,320 And some of these quotes my audio wasn't totally clear on, 1939 01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,700 but that's obviously we have the gist. 1940 01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:44,060 And then of course, in the letter saying the committee is 1941 01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:47,100 tasked with guiding elected officials and city 1942 01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:51,060 staff on programming, policy, physical infrastructure 1943 01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:53,140 and to ensure our community has access 1944 01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:55,930 to safe, comfortable, and right size transportation 1945 01:46:55,930 --> 01:46:57,390 to meet their daily needs. 1946 01:46:57,390 --> 01:47:00,610 And you ask, why would I want to accomplish tonight specifically 1947 01:47:00,610 --> 01:47:03,650 that quote that's in the letter that says this committee 1948 01:47:03,650 --> 01:47:05,850 is tasked with guiding the elected 1949 01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:07,730 officials and city staff on program policy 1950 01:47:07,730 --> 01:47:08,830 and physical obstruction. 1951 01:47:08,830 --> 01:47:12,630 That is not in the resolution, that is not in their bylaws. 1952 01:47:12,630 --> 01:47:15,030 That is something that they made up. 1953 01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:21,130 But there are some holes in the bylaws that maybe 1954 01:47:21,130 --> 01:47:23,950 could be construed that way. 1955 01:47:23,950 --> 01:47:26,770 And I talked with our city attorney about that, 1956 01:47:26,770 --> 01:47:28,770 and I'm going to come back to him in just a minute 1957 01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:30,470 and have him comment on that. 1958 01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:33,890 But that is what I'm proposing is that we close 1959 01:47:33,890 --> 01:47:36,190 those loopholes so we can say, UTC, 1960 01:47:36,190 --> 01:47:37,750 you serve a valuable service. 1961 01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:38,670 We value you. 1962 01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:41,150 We want safe, multimodal transportation. 1963 01:47:41,150 --> 01:47:43,210 We want forward thinking people. 1964 01:47:43,210 --> 01:47:45,070 We want investment in that. 1965 01:47:45,070 --> 01:47:47,270 But we don't want is the subversive. 1966 01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:49,250 It's not just oh, this is an offhand comment 1967 01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:51,930 by somebody that's not even a city employee anymore. 1968 01:47:51,930 --> 01:47:54,030 This is kind of that continual thing that's 1969 01:47:54,030 --> 01:47:58,550 coming through these meetings and it's like that that's 1970 01:47:58,550 --> 01:48:00,370 not supportive of council. 1971 01:48:00,370 --> 01:48:02,170 That's the people that are opposing council. 1972 01:48:02,170 --> 01:48:05,910 And then they give us a letter that has misleading information 1973 01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:09,790 in it to get to achieve a certain action 1974 01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:12,690 or to try to get council to take a certain action. 1975 01:48:12,690 --> 01:48:15,350 So that's why. 1976 01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:17,630 But Jeremiah, if you would just share 1977 01:48:17,630 --> 01:48:19,150 that just a little bit of context 1978 01:48:19,150 --> 01:48:23,230 about the resolution section. 1979 01:48:23,230 --> 01:48:24,090 Yeah, certainly. 1980 01:48:24,090 --> 01:48:28,650 So the UTC itself is a creature of council. 1981 01:48:28,650 --> 01:48:31,230 And so you have options as to how 1982 01:48:31,230 --> 01:48:36,710 you may want to address either revamping the resolution itself. 1983 01:48:36,710 --> 01:48:39,990 There's been several revamps of the bylaws 1984 01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:42,590 that council has done over the years. 1985 01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:45,030 Most recently a couple of years ago, there was 1986 01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:47,670 a minor tweak to the bylaws. 1987 01:48:47,670 --> 01:48:50,070 So whatever council feels like they want 1988 01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:52,220 to do in this particular disappearance instance 1989 01:48:52,220 --> 01:48:54,200 because like I said, UTC is a creature. 1990 01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,420 It's only created by council. 1991 01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:58,060 And so whatever council's direction is 1992 01:48:58,060 --> 01:49:01,220 and how to deal with this. 1993 01:49:01,220 --> 01:49:05,100 Certainly within the resolution to your point, 1994 01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:09,500 Eric, if you wanted to narrow the scope of what they were 1995 01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:13,740 undertaking, that could be done within resolution, 1996 01:49:13,740 --> 01:49:18,660 also typing the bylaws and putting those things more 1997 01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:20,920 into order, if that's the direction council goes, 1998 01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:22,860 that's also. 1999 01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:26,580 Yeah so I guess I don't. 2000 01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:29,280 I value your perspective and always have. 2001 01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,980 And I am thankful you're on council. 2002 01:49:31,980 --> 01:49:36,500 We disagree on some things often enough. 2003 01:49:36,500 --> 01:49:40,900 But in this case, it seems so adversarial 2004 01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:45,580 and it shouldn't be I'm not against multimodal 2005 01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:48,300 transportation, but when I feel that somebody 2006 01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:51,510 is trying to May be deceptive. 2007 01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:55,450 It really gets my attention and I lean into that hard. 2008 01:49:55,450 --> 01:49:59,170 Which is why I spent 20 plus hours on this. 2009 01:49:59,170 --> 01:50:03,850 I'm hoping that as a body, we will at the very least 2010 01:50:03,850 --> 01:50:08,210 go back to what I was trying to do in last in last year 2011 01:50:08,210 --> 01:50:11,350 when I ended up having to go to UTC by myself. 2012 01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:14,650 I missed the meeting on October, but then went in 2013 01:50:14,650 --> 01:50:15,630 and talked to them. 2014 01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:17,770 And if you go back and look at that recording, 2015 01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:20,810 I was extremely polite and appreciative 2016 01:50:20,810 --> 01:50:22,330 of the work they're doing. 2017 01:50:22,330 --> 01:50:25,230 I talked with them a little bit about my concerns, 2018 01:50:25,230 --> 01:50:28,650 but I try to be very, very respectful. 2019 01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:32,970 But when this letter came to me, I was ready to say, well, 2020 01:50:32,970 --> 01:50:37,730 I guess we close out that resolution, 2021 01:50:37,730 --> 01:50:40,410 we form a new resolution with tighten guidelines. 2022 01:50:40,410 --> 01:50:42,410 We have a re-interview process. 2023 01:50:42,410 --> 01:50:45,250 And then if anybody that's on the current UTC 2024 01:50:45,250 --> 01:50:49,190 wants to apply for the UTC, then we can. 2025 01:50:49,190 --> 01:50:51,830 That is one option. 2026 01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:56,350 If council is more in line of saying that corrective action 2027 01:50:56,350 --> 01:50:59,790 could be taken at this point and we could just write a letter 2028 01:50:59,790 --> 01:51:03,350 to say, here's where we need to course 2029 01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:07,790 correct and see if that see if that suffices. 2030 01:51:07,790 --> 01:51:12,670 Like I said, I feel like I tried that before and I try to do it 2031 01:51:12,670 --> 01:51:18,190 and I mean you were there I tried to be as polite 2032 01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:22,550 and engaging as possible and not in any way 2033 01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:23,950 demeaning of their work. 2034 01:51:23,950 --> 01:51:26,130 But this is what we get right. 2035 01:51:26,130 --> 01:51:27,710 This is where we're at. 2036 01:51:27,710 --> 01:51:31,510 So I'd love to hear from some other council members 2037 01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:34,750 if I'm totally off base here, I'm willing to hear that too. 2038 01:51:34,750 --> 01:51:38,570 But this is what I'm seeing and this. 2039 01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:40,970 And I think it's important to governance, 2040 01:51:40,970 --> 01:51:43,790 to us doing a job as council and making sure that we have 2041 01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:45,830 committees that are supporting direction 2042 01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:48,880 that we're going in and helping us do that good work. 2043 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:52,460 2044 01:51:52,460 --> 01:51:55,000 So much of this feels like the politicization, 2045 01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,880 politicizing politicization. 2046 01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,500 I can't talk tonight of the fourth and 5 Street 2047 01:51:59,500 --> 01:52:02,100 pilot project that's just kind of 2048 01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:05,180 carried with us throughout US. 2049 01:52:05,180 --> 01:52:10,260 And so much of it has become pro bike, anti bike. 2050 01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:13,460 And I think so many people in our community 2051 01:52:13,460 --> 01:52:15,140 are somewhere in the middle there 2052 01:52:15,140 --> 01:52:19,580 to look at it that way is just completely totally wrong. 2053 01:52:19,580 --> 01:52:22,660 It's one thing to have a failed pilot project and say, 2054 01:52:22,660 --> 01:52:24,340 that may have not worked, but we also 2055 01:52:24,340 --> 01:52:28,780 have lots of options to work together moving forward. 2056 01:52:28,780 --> 01:52:31,740 The concern I have with the UTC is 2057 01:52:31,740 --> 01:52:37,300 that seemed to be the Hill to die on with the fourth and 5 2058 01:52:37,300 --> 01:52:41,740 Street pilot project, and it became so polarizing 2059 01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:45,250 that it's clouded their ability to look at the Council 2060 01:52:45,250 --> 01:52:46,510 decision moving forward. 2061 01:52:46,510 --> 01:52:51,290 Clear clearly, I'm concerned that there is a bias built 2062 01:52:51,290 --> 01:52:55,970 in at this point that the UTC can't be supportive of council 2063 01:52:55,970 --> 01:53:00,970 because they don't believe in the direction council's moving. 2064 01:53:00,970 --> 01:53:04,590 With that being said, I also it's like I said earlier, 2065 01:53:04,590 --> 01:53:06,970 these are supportive role. 2066 01:53:06,970 --> 01:53:09,390 These are advisory positions. 2067 01:53:09,390 --> 01:53:16,530 And at the end of the day, we have to take them as advice Q&A 2068 01:53:16,530 --> 01:53:19,210 with a grain of salt in some situations. 2069 01:53:19,210 --> 01:53:21,250 And there's going to be some situations 2070 01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:25,770 where that advice is going to weigh much heavier than others. 2071 01:53:25,770 --> 01:53:29,530 But I do have some real concern about the adversarial 2072 01:53:29,530 --> 01:53:33,970 relationship between the UTC board and council, 2073 01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:39,010 and just the difference of opinions in the direction 2074 01:53:39,010 --> 01:53:42,030 that we should be going with policy for. 2075 01:53:42,030 --> 01:53:50,120 2076 01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:56,280 So I want to ask Jason are you aware of what 2077 01:53:56,280 --> 01:54:01,560 orientation process did or do new UTC members get. 2078 01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,420 Yeah, usually once a year. 2079 01:54:03,420 --> 01:54:06,040 I think the members are seated in June. 2080 01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,600 They have a workshop kind of thing where they walk 2081 01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:15,800 through the bylaws, walk through this calendar of every year 2082 01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,380 we do a couple walk audits. 2083 01:54:17,380 --> 01:54:23,280 We do infrastructure prioritization process. 2084 01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:30,680 We do an accounting, I think this month that type of stuff. 2085 01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,680 And as part of that, do you review 2086 01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,000 like the roles and responsibilities 2087 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,240 of the UTC council. 2088 01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:40,420 Yeah, I think so. 2089 01:54:40,420 --> 01:54:41,300 It's been a while. 2090 01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:45,820 I don't attend them anymore, but when I did 2091 01:54:45,820 --> 01:54:48,440 I think that happened. 2092 01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:52,560 I will say that I think it was maybe done at the staff level. 2093 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:57,060 I don't know if I don't definitely 2094 01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:59,580 don't remember John being there, but he remembered him. 2095 01:54:59,580 --> 01:55:03,740 But like, yeah, there's not much of their level of engagement 2096 01:55:03,740 --> 01:55:07,520 on that kind of stuff. 2097 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,820 Yeah the reason I'm asking is because I'm out of I'm on 3 2098 01:55:11,820 --> 01:55:15,220 and they vary in different how the orientations 2099 01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:18,140 are, what the expectations are. 2100 01:55:18,140 --> 01:55:26,500 So I think that this is a potential symptom of a bigger 2101 01:55:26,500 --> 01:55:31,820 issue, because I think that we may have some other boards 2102 01:55:31,820 --> 01:55:36,060 and commissions that may not clearly understand what 2103 01:55:36,060 --> 01:55:41,450 their role is, or we need to give direction 2104 01:55:41,450 --> 01:55:43,230 on what we expect that to be. 2105 01:55:43,230 --> 01:55:46,170 And I think that is done through resolution 2106 01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:50,530 or so that we're saying that we're updating the bylaws. 2107 01:55:50,530 --> 01:55:55,470 And so I think that I don't think that UTC is alone in this, 2108 01:55:55,470 --> 01:55:58,810 I think there's other boards and commissions that we've 2109 01:55:58,810 --> 01:56:04,010 had to go through some growing pains with or 2110 01:56:04,010 --> 01:56:06,450 and does happen is over time, there's 2111 01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:10,330 that veering away from what the original intent 2112 01:56:10,330 --> 01:56:12,110 of that committee or board was. 2113 01:56:12,110 --> 01:56:16,210 And so for us as a council to be able to review those and that's 2114 01:56:16,210 --> 01:56:17,950 I think a different conversation. 2115 01:56:17,950 --> 01:56:20,970 And a deeper conversation on how we want to approach that. 2116 01:56:20,970 --> 01:56:26,570 But maybe having a standardized type of orientation, because I 2117 01:56:26,570 --> 01:56:30,490 know that in those boards or commissions 2118 01:56:30,490 --> 01:56:34,370 where Jeremiah did come in and review Cora and open Meeting 2119 01:56:34,370 --> 01:56:37,450 law, that there's a different expectation 2120 01:56:37,450 --> 01:56:41,140 Asian and it's viewed as a very serious issue. 2121 01:56:41,140 --> 01:56:42,820 And they go out of their way to avoid it, 2122 01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:46,080 whereas not all of them may. 2123 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,760 But I think also, as I think it would 2124 01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:51,880 help for us to review the council liaison 2125 01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,160 responsibilities as well. 2126 01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,420 And this is not about you, Jason. 2127 01:56:56,420 --> 01:56:58,520 This is about all of us. 2128 01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:02,480 But for us to know that when we see a border commission 2129 01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,280 going off the rails, that it's our job 2130 01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:08,560 to step in and bring that back to where they need to be. 2131 01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,600 If staff are doing that. 2132 01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:15,280 I had to do it a couple of times with one of the boards 2133 01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,800 and commissions that I'm on and making sure that then we're 2134 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:23,120 communicating that, here with each other as well so that we 2135 01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:26,820 understand because we do switch boards and commissions, I guess. 2136 01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:29,480 I guess I would push back a little bit on one thing 2137 01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,720 you said there, and that's specifically is that this 2138 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:34,600 isn't about you, Jason. 2139 01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,630 And I'm going to say it is because you're 2140 01:57:36,630 --> 01:57:38,350 in all those meetings. 2141 01:57:38,350 --> 01:57:39,750 You were there. 2142 01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:44,350 And I will say that I was in a housing affordability task force 2143 01:57:44,350 --> 01:57:47,590 the other day, and city manager, assistant deputy city manager 2144 01:57:47,590 --> 01:57:48,850 were there as well. 2145 01:57:48,850 --> 01:57:50,950 And I was like, whoa, hold up, hold up. 2146 01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:54,630 And literally pulled out like the resolution thing, 2147 01:57:54,630 --> 01:57:56,770 we had it like that. 2148 01:57:56,770 --> 01:58:00,510 But I just because I thought we had strayed away from what 2149 01:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,530 is under the purview that we should be talking about, 2150 01:58:03,530 --> 01:58:04,830 literally stop the meeting. 2151 01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:07,170 I was wrong, they were right. 2152 01:58:07,170 --> 01:58:10,250 They were within it actually fit within what the. 2153 01:58:10,250 --> 01:58:13,870 But that is my concern to say, wait a minute. 2154 01:58:13,870 --> 01:58:15,690 And not that I'm running their meeting. 2155 01:58:15,690 --> 01:58:17,550 I'm not waking up. 2156 01:58:17,550 --> 01:58:19,910 But that is. 2157 01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:20,570 That's right. 2158 01:58:20,570 --> 01:58:23,410 So my concern I would just like to echo, 2159 01:58:23,410 --> 01:58:30,730 I think what for 10 months just said about having a standard, 2160 01:58:30,730 --> 01:58:35,910 I'm not honestly having this time a good excuse or anything, 2161 01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:39,050 but I haven't spent a lot of time on boards and commission 2162 01:58:39,050 --> 01:58:43,730 processes I started, but it never hurts to I think just 2163 01:58:43,730 --> 01:58:48,290 across the board, we had a standardized orientation 2164 01:58:48,290 --> 01:58:49,910 because there's some things that apply to all, 2165 01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:54,970 and then there's diving into their own focus. 2166 01:58:54,970 --> 01:58:58,550 And you had mentioned reviewing council liaison, 2167 01:58:58,550 --> 01:59:01,270 I think including reviewing staff liaison. 2168 01:59:01,270 --> 01:59:04,930 I think we should just we should definitely have clarity 2169 01:59:04,930 --> 01:59:06,910 around those for each group. 2170 01:59:06,910 --> 01:59:09,690 So I just wanted to echo that. 2171 01:59:09,690 --> 01:59:13,730 I think that would be a worthwhile thing across. 2172 01:59:13,730 --> 01:59:15,970 I do want to throw this out there 2173 01:59:15,970 --> 01:59:19,170 and I am absolutely willing to say if they're 2174 01:59:19,170 --> 01:59:20,930 willing to course correct, we don't need 2175 01:59:20,930 --> 01:59:23,250 to go the full nuclear option. 2176 01:59:23,250 --> 01:59:24,677 I value the work they do. 2177 01:59:24,677 --> 01:59:26,010 I'm willing to come back, although we'll 2178 01:59:26,010 --> 01:59:29,330 definitely talk about that. 2179 01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:30,490 I'm willing to come back, and I'm 2180 01:59:30,490 --> 01:59:33,060 willing to look them in the eye and express my concerns, 2181 01:59:33,060 --> 01:59:34,500 but also say that I appreciate it. 2182 01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:36,600 Thank you. 2183 01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:40,220 Because I want them to be I want them to do what they do. 2184 01:59:40,220 --> 01:59:44,280 And like I said in 90% of what they do is absolutely 2185 01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:45,600 what they need to do. 2186 01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,320 Walk audits, talking about activity, 2187 01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:52,320 engaging with staff in planning and the way things work 2188 01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:53,800 like that. 2189 01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,320 The right direction that's coming online and all 2190 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:57,460 the connections to that. 2191 01:59:57,460 --> 01:59:59,540 And that's what we should be doing. 2192 01:59:59,540 --> 02:00:01,520 But it's just a matter of it's not my 2193 02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:02,740 this isn't Cody's opinion. 2194 02:00:02,740 --> 02:00:04,360 Cody says it needs to be done this way. 2195 02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:06,840 I want it to be like, hey, can we just 2196 02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,480 mutually agree that this is what the bylaws are 2197 02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,220 and this is what the resolution says. 2198 02:00:12,220 --> 02:00:13,020 Let's do that. 2199 02:00:13,020 --> 02:00:14,400 Do a really good job at it. 2200 02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:18,400 So I want to clarify, my comment was not 2201 02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:22,060 specific to this situation, but I think all of us, 2202 02:00:22,060 --> 02:00:24,720 in clarifying our responsibilities 2203 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:28,640 and really recognizing just like the staff need 2204 02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:29,960 to recognize when they need to step 2205 02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:32,970 in or be like, hey, that's a violation of open Meeting Law. 2206 02:00:32,970 --> 02:00:37,350 It's the same thing for us to have that guidance because it's 2207 02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:41,110 a group of volunteers that are passionate about whatever 2208 02:00:41,110 --> 02:00:43,990 board or commission they're on. 2209 02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:48,510 So they're not necessarily going to know all the ins and outs 2210 02:00:48,510 --> 02:00:49,850 of how everything else works. 2211 02:00:49,850 --> 02:00:54,310 And so we have to be those ones to temper that and encourage 2212 02:00:54,310 --> 02:00:55,850 those positive interactions. 2213 02:00:55,850 --> 02:00:57,270 And if they do want to communicate 2214 02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:58,650 how we can liaise on that. 2215 02:00:58,650 --> 02:01:00,563 I was on one where they were like, 2216 02:01:00,563 --> 02:01:02,330 we're going to have to write this letter and send it. 2217 02:01:02,330 --> 02:01:04,263 And I said, or I can just bring it up at a workshop, 2218 02:01:04,263 --> 02:01:05,730 we could go through this whole long process, 2219 02:01:05,730 --> 02:01:08,870 or I can just share it with and so I think instead 2220 02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:12,790 of it being like this territorial type of approach 2221 02:01:12,790 --> 02:01:16,550 that we move towards an approach where we work together, 2222 02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:19,330 and that kind of goes back to my earlier comments. 2223 02:01:19,330 --> 02:01:27,270 But in this case, I do think that having a more specific. 2224 02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:30,400 Resolution that really outlines what the expectations are. 2225 02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,780 We'll just help UTC to be able to move forward and know 2226 02:01:33,780 --> 02:01:34,960 what the expectations are. 2227 02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:40,120 And I'm not saying it needs to be like you did something, 2228 02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:42,120 they did something wrong or this isn't right. 2229 02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:45,060 But to be able to just clarify what the role is 2230 02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:47,720 and for us to be able to agree on that as a council, 2231 02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:49,300 and then for them to be able to move forward 2232 02:01:49,300 --> 02:01:53,300 as in an advisory role with making sure they're doing 2233 02:01:53,300 --> 02:01:58,500 that, we're all on the same page is really where I think, 2234 02:01:58,500 --> 02:02:01,500 well, I'm to piggyback off what was on what's 2235 02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:04,680 had to say there is I'd be in favor, too, 2236 02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:09,340 for council to go through and review 2237 02:02:09,340 --> 02:02:12,460 the bylaws for individual boards and commissions 2238 02:02:12,460 --> 02:02:15,380 to make sure they do still stand up to what we need 2239 02:02:15,380 --> 02:02:17,380 these boards to be doing today. 2240 02:02:17,380 --> 02:02:19,380 There's lots of different boards that have been 2241 02:02:19,380 --> 02:02:20,880 developed for certain reasons. 2242 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:25,900 I think of even like the DDA they were developed to clear 2243 02:02:25,900 --> 02:02:30,560 blight for economic activation, but we've 2244 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:32,880 seen so much activation in downtown 2245 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,320 that their actual role is kind of transitioned 2246 02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:37,540 through the years as well. 2247 02:02:37,540 --> 02:02:39,800 So I think reviewing all of these bylaws 2248 02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:41,020 could be great as well. 2249 02:02:41,020 --> 02:02:44,960 And I think as well, having these meetings to go over things 2250 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,480 like open meeting, meetings, laws 2251 02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:51,160 have numerous times in different meetings on different boards. 2252 02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:54,200 I've had to step in and tell different board members, 2253 02:02:54,200 --> 02:03:00,000 I stop replying all you can't send that email to this person 2254 02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,280 without having the whole group involved, 2255 02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:03,500 all these different things. 2256 02:03:03,500 --> 02:03:07,560 So I think just having a real clear understanding of all 2257 02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:11,080 the boards and not even just specifically the UTC, 2258 02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:14,360 but just so everyone knows what direction they're meant 2259 02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:17,160 to be pulling, in what direction council is being 2260 02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,600 what direction council's going in and they're all in line 2261 02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:21,420 together. 2262 02:03:21,420 --> 02:03:23,940 So just to make sure I don't disagree. 2263 02:03:23,940 --> 02:03:26,770 And I think you make a great point. 2264 02:03:26,770 --> 02:03:29,170 And it may be germane to the conversation. 2265 02:03:29,170 --> 02:03:34,390 Just to keep this on point, I'd love to get some feedback 2266 02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:36,870 from just so that we're not here all night, because we can 2267 02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:39,530 have this conversation forever. 2268 02:03:39,530 --> 02:03:43,290 But council member Ballard, do you have anything here. 2269 02:03:43,290 --> 02:03:46,270 And I guess I'm specifically ask you 2270 02:03:46,270 --> 02:03:48,290 and not to put you on the spot as the first one, 2271 02:03:48,290 --> 02:03:51,050 but I kind of am to say. 2272 02:03:51,050 --> 02:03:53,150 Do you have a specific request, whether that 2273 02:03:53,150 --> 02:03:57,910 is no action at all on this. 2274 02:03:57,910 --> 02:04:01,230 A letter requesting course correction, 2275 02:04:01,230 --> 02:04:06,330 update in resolution language or something different. 2276 02:04:06,330 --> 02:04:08,070 But I just want to bring this back 2277 02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:12,330 to UTC so we can progress through our agenda this evening. 2278 02:04:12,330 --> 02:04:14,910 2279 02:04:14,910 --> 02:04:16,010 Yeah thanks, Mayor. 2280 02:04:16,010 --> 02:04:25,820 I think last time we addressed the UTC, I thought it was very 2281 02:04:25,820 --> 02:04:29,260 appropriate to say what, we want to write this, 2282 02:04:29,260 --> 02:04:34,620 letter kind of course correcting and we just kind of thought, 2283 02:04:34,620 --> 02:04:40,460 this would we want to respect the board 2284 02:04:40,460 --> 02:04:42,040 that is trying to advise us. 2285 02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:43,500 And we want to make sure that we've got 2286 02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:45,460 a good relationship with them. 2287 02:04:45,460 --> 02:04:49,000 My concern is that I haven't again, 2288 02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:56,060 we're here again with more information about conversations 2289 02:04:56,060 --> 02:05:00,020 that even if it's just a one off from somebody that's just one 2290 02:05:00,020 --> 02:05:03,820 member of the board speaking, the conversations are continuing 2291 02:05:03,820 --> 02:05:07,980 and it's not like they're working towards an advisory 2292 02:05:07,980 --> 02:05:12,860 like, hey, city council has this opinion about this thing. 2293 02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:17,160 But we want to advise them this different opinion. 2294 02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:19,440 And that it's. 2295 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,880 2296 02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:29,040 But council member Nguyen or other council members 2297 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:33,640 would be very appreciative if the members of the task force 2298 02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:39,500 were speaking negatively about the council in other ways, 2299 02:05:39,500 --> 02:05:44,720 saying, well, this council is industry adverse 2300 02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:46,920 and they don't like developments and they 2301 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:52,200 don't our industry partners. 2302 02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:58,360 I don't think we would be very tolerant of them openly talking 2303 02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:06,200 about opposing council's direction in the middle 2304 02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:07,600 of their meetings when they're supposed 2305 02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,020 to be advising us on things. 2306 02:06:09,020 --> 02:06:16,240 And so I guess the direction I'm looking for, I guess I would say 2307 02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:21,670 would be some sort of course correction, a letter. 2308 02:06:21,670 --> 02:06:24,850 A a soul search or something. 2309 02:06:24,850 --> 02:06:27,630 Because I don't want to keep revisiting 2310 02:06:27,630 --> 02:06:30,790 this every six months. 2311 02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:34,070 Thank you Council. 2312 02:06:34,070 --> 02:06:39,190 I would be in favor of a letter as well. 2313 02:06:39,190 --> 02:06:42,430 Kind of with the stipulation that if this is an issue that we 2314 02:06:42,430 --> 02:06:46,550 have to revisit again, that the next action 2315 02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:52,870 will probably be discussing a resolution to disband the UTC. 2316 02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:57,350 I still think there's immense benefit from having UTC. 2317 02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:59,810 I don't think it's a lost cause by any means. 2318 02:06:59,810 --> 02:07:04,510 I think so many of these relationships can be mended. 2319 02:07:04,510 --> 02:07:06,750 Just meeting face to face and having conversations 2320 02:07:06,750 --> 02:07:09,790 with these people, and realize we all have some 2321 02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:13,310 of the general goals in common. 2322 02:07:13,310 --> 02:07:17,670 But yeah, I don't want this to be a continued 2323 02:07:17,670 --> 02:07:21,260 thing that we keep addressing throughout our terms 2324 02:07:21,260 --> 02:07:22,660 on council here. 2325 02:07:22,660 --> 02:07:26,820 My goal is that we can have some sort of course correction, 2326 02:07:26,820 --> 02:07:29,300 and we come together, to work together, 2327 02:07:29,300 --> 02:07:32,500 to find those common places we can win instead 2328 02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:34,220 of tearing each other down and having 2329 02:07:34,220 --> 02:07:37,700 this adversarial relationship. 2330 02:07:37,700 --> 02:07:39,620 Thank you. 2331 02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:44,380 So first, I guess I would have a question because my question 2332 02:07:44,380 --> 02:07:48,260 would be, Jason, how comfortable are you 2333 02:07:48,260 --> 02:07:52,580 with stepping in if you see it going off the rails and course 2334 02:07:52,580 --> 02:07:58,340 correcting them in live time as if you do start if it is 2335 02:07:58,340 --> 02:08:00,420 getting very negative I mean, because they're 2336 02:08:00,420 --> 02:08:02,100 not the only ones. 2337 02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:07,900 And so yeah, well, and sometimes we have to pull them back up. 2338 02:08:07,900 --> 02:08:10,220 So I mean, I guess that would be my first question 2339 02:08:10,220 --> 02:08:18,010 before I. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm comfortable doing it. 2340 02:08:18,010 --> 02:08:22,130 I have good relationships with the board. 2341 02:08:22,130 --> 02:08:26,910 I guess where I do think there is a gray area sometimes too. 2342 02:08:26,910 --> 02:08:29,410 I'm like. 2343 02:08:29,410 --> 02:08:36,230 People have trying not to intervene too much as well, 2344 02:08:36,230 --> 02:08:38,230 like and stifle discussion. 2345 02:08:38,230 --> 02:08:40,690 And maybe something can start out 2346 02:08:40,690 --> 02:08:43,570 in a really negative place but still ultimately 2347 02:08:43,570 --> 02:08:45,630 kind move towards something positive. 2348 02:08:45,630 --> 02:08:50,970 And so yes, but I could probably do more 2349 02:08:50,970 --> 02:08:55,450 to intervene and be more proactive 2350 02:08:55,450 --> 02:08:58,570 and try and steer more towards advice and direction 2351 02:08:58,570 --> 02:09:00,290 if they are. 2352 02:09:00,290 --> 02:09:01,930 And I think there is a difference between having 2353 02:09:01,930 --> 02:09:04,090 a conversation and being negative 2354 02:09:04,090 --> 02:09:06,670 like I've had to redirect and be like, 2355 02:09:06,670 --> 02:09:09,290 we don't need to talk about that specific staff person 2356 02:09:09,290 --> 02:09:11,310 or we're not talking about council, 2357 02:09:11,310 --> 02:09:12,750 we're not talking about this. 2358 02:09:12,750 --> 02:09:13,910 This is what we're talking about. 2359 02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:17,810 And being solution oriented, so we all know we're upset. 2360 02:09:17,810 --> 02:09:21,150 How do we get from A to Z. How do we move forward. 2361 02:09:21,150 --> 02:09:24,830 And just keeping it with that solution oriented approach. 2362 02:09:24,830 --> 02:09:30,350 So I mean, I think if you're feeling comfortable with that, 2363 02:09:30,350 --> 02:09:33,230 I think a corrective action like some course 2364 02:09:33,230 --> 02:09:34,870 correction of some kind. 2365 02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:38,590 But the question that I have is are 2366 02:09:38,590 --> 02:09:42,950 we course correcting something that's not in the resolution. 2367 02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:47,150 And that's where and that's where we work with Jeremiah 2368 02:09:47,150 --> 02:09:49,750 to say it's hard to say, hey, you need to stick 2369 02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:51,910 with what the resolution says. 2370 02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:53,910 But there's gaps in the resolution that 2371 02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:55,510 have been previously intentionally 2372 02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:59,230 exploited by a former employee. 2373 02:09:59,230 --> 02:10:02,890 And maybe we do need to plug those. 2374 02:10:02,890 --> 02:10:09,530 But I think if enacting a new resolution is a pretty big act, 2375 02:10:09,530 --> 02:10:10,630 I think. 2376 02:10:10,630 --> 02:10:14,580 And I think if we can say, hey, this is from this council. 2377 02:10:14,580 --> 02:10:15,880 We came behind this. 2378 02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:16,580 We didn't. 2379 02:10:16,580 --> 02:10:20,540 We could have rescinded the resolution, cleared the bench 2380 02:10:20,540 --> 02:10:24,740 on UTC, started a new resolution, did New interviews 2381 02:10:24,740 --> 02:10:26,120 and gone that whole route. 2382 02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:28,940 But instead of that, we are writing a letter 2383 02:10:28,940 --> 02:10:31,720 saying this is our expectation. 2384 02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:34,300 This council expects this. 2385 02:10:34,300 --> 02:10:38,860 And if you go outside of that, then we may have 2386 02:10:38,860 --> 02:10:40,240 to take a different action. 2387 02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:43,820 But that I guess, and maybe Jeremiah's got a better answer. 2388 02:10:43,820 --> 02:10:47,000 Actually, you hit the word I was actually going to say, 2389 02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,160 which was expectation. 2390 02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:52,940 And so the letter addressed more of a prospective thing that 2391 02:10:52,940 --> 02:10:56,980 is simply saying, this is what this council expects and looks 2392 02:10:56,980 --> 02:10:59,940 forward to from the UTC. 2393 02:10:59,940 --> 02:11:03,420 And that way they have some guidance coming in, 2394 02:11:03,420 --> 02:11:05,980 essentially a letter of expectation. 2395 02:11:05,980 --> 02:11:09,080 I think that would probably be a good course to take with us. 2396 02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:11,400 And I'll finish going around the room. 2397 02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,570 But I will say just for the sake of adaptation 2398 02:11:14,570 --> 02:11:18,210 for your question is that I would be willing to draft 2399 02:11:18,210 --> 02:11:19,690 something that would come before council 2400 02:11:19,690 --> 02:11:25,450 wouldn't go any further than me without council's input on it. 2401 02:11:25,450 --> 02:11:28,410 But I think that way we could do a letter 2402 02:11:28,410 --> 02:11:34,070 versus a new resolution, and I think I'd be OK with that. 2403 02:11:34,070 --> 02:11:36,770 I think it's very hard to set an expectation 2404 02:11:36,770 --> 02:11:39,770 for a group of people without it being 2405 02:11:39,770 --> 02:11:41,350 clear what the expectation is. 2406 02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:45,410 And we also need to remember these are volunteers like 2407 02:11:45,410 --> 02:11:46,790 and we're all volunteers. 2408 02:11:46,790 --> 02:11:48,650 But these are people that passionately 2409 02:11:48,650 --> 02:11:51,250 care about multi-modal connections 2410 02:11:51,250 --> 02:11:52,230 within our community. 2411 02:11:52,230 --> 02:11:56,590 And then to punch them in the face like five times over. 2412 02:11:56,590 --> 02:11:57,770 This is tough. 2413 02:11:57,770 --> 02:12:00,770 But at the same time, for us to be productive with them, 2414 02:12:00,770 --> 02:12:05,490 I think the clear expectations is so that's what. 2415 02:12:05,490 --> 02:12:08,670 Yeah, no, I think letter is fine. 2416 02:12:08,670 --> 02:12:14,840 Obviously with what that looks like on the. 2417 02:12:14,840 --> 02:12:19,400 Yeah so. 2418 02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:25,960 I've been to UTC meetings and I interviewed people on. 2419 02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:29,380 A third at least third is new now. 2420 02:12:29,380 --> 02:12:32,800 So they weren't even on this. 2421 02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,020 And I'm sorry I couldn't hear you. 2422 02:12:35,020 --> 02:12:37,500 I said the third of the people are going to be new. 2423 02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:41,740 At least 40% so they weren't even on that. 2424 02:12:41,740 --> 02:12:42,580 You're talking about. 2425 02:12:42,580 --> 02:12:46,160 But having people apply to boards because they're 2426 02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:47,700 passionate about what they're doing, 2427 02:12:47,700 --> 02:12:50,600 and they get frustrated because if they don't get their voice 2428 02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:53,700 heard can we bring that in. 2429 02:12:53,700 --> 02:12:55,020 Of course I've done it. 2430 02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:55,980 We've all done it. 2431 02:12:55,980 --> 02:12:57,280 That's our job. 2432 02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:01,760 So maybe we're not doing our job and we should look in the mirror 2433 02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:02,820 and say, wait a minute. 2434 02:13:02,820 --> 02:13:07,660 I would say, at the Affordable housing group, 2435 02:13:07,660 --> 02:13:09,140 I've been to a bunch of those meetings. 2436 02:13:09,140 --> 02:13:12,940 Those guys are very vocal about not liking sidewalks 2437 02:13:12,940 --> 02:13:14,720 and bikes and all that stuff. 2438 02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:17,600 And, I guess we don't have any trouble with that, 2439 02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:21,780 but we seem to have trouble with I'm 2440 02:13:21,780 --> 02:13:24,020 going to say that characterization 2441 02:13:24,020 --> 02:13:27,120 is completely out of line and necessary and untrue. 2442 02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:31,740 I just don't talk to two of the things the last two weeks. 2443 02:13:31,740 --> 02:13:34,100 They were very anti people. 2444 02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:37,800 Well, if so might have talked to somebody outside of a meeting. 2445 02:13:37,800 --> 02:13:38,640 I'm in those meetings. 2446 02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:39,780 I've been in all the meetings. 2447 02:13:39,780 --> 02:13:41,580 I've been out of town, in which case 2448 02:13:41,580 --> 02:13:43,280 I followed up on those meetings. 2449 02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:47,300 And I will say what you're saying is patently untrue. 2450 02:13:47,300 --> 02:13:51,620 So if you had a conversation with somebody else, go ahead. 2451 02:13:51,620 --> 02:13:54,040 I would just add that it's the regulation, 2452 02:13:54,040 --> 02:13:56,320 not the sidewalk or the bike. 2453 02:13:56,320 --> 02:14:01,200 And again, it's when we make that what at the same time. 2454 02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:02,040 But they're not. 2455 02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:04,660 Because if somebody like if there's 2456 02:14:04,660 --> 02:14:07,100 a demand for a 20 foot sidewalk, they'll 2457 02:14:07,100 --> 02:14:08,550 build a 20 foot sidewalk. 2458 02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:10,230 That's not the question. 2459 02:14:10,230 --> 02:14:14,010 The question isn't are we pro or against sidewalks. 2460 02:14:14,010 --> 02:14:16,850 They're saying removing the regulation because right now 2461 02:14:16,850 --> 02:14:19,210 it's requiring 6 foot sidewalks in neighborhoods 2462 02:14:19,210 --> 02:14:20,550 that don't need 6 foot. 2463 02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:23,490 So having that ability. 2464 02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:26,370 So if just to call this back to where 2465 02:14:26,370 --> 02:14:30,450 are you in favor of whether or not and what is the letter. 2466 02:14:30,450 --> 02:14:33,470 So the letter I would draft a letter. 2467 02:14:33,470 --> 02:14:34,930 I'll bring it back to council. 2468 02:14:34,930 --> 02:14:36,830 We'll have an opportunity to have some input on it. 2469 02:14:36,830 --> 02:14:39,250 But the point of the letter is just 2470 02:14:39,250 --> 02:14:43,770 to set expectations for the UTC regarding their role 2471 02:14:43,770 --> 02:14:44,790 and what they think. 2472 02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:46,890 We should go just after the UTC, we 2473 02:14:46,890 --> 02:14:50,430 just talked that all the board should be for goodness sake. 2474 02:14:50,430 --> 02:14:53,190 And so that's the answer the question. 2475 02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:58,970 So I think we have on that as far as not voting, 2476 02:14:58,970 --> 02:15:03,690 but as far as the letter goes, I just 2477 02:15:03,690 --> 02:15:06,340 want to say that there's clear majority on that, 2478 02:15:06,340 --> 02:15:08,440 and I especially want to express my thanks 2479 02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:11,000 to council member Nguyen for being so 2480 02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:12,880 open minded on a conversation. 2481 02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:13,380 It's hard. 2482 02:15:13,380 --> 02:15:15,720 This is a fun read in front of us. 2483 02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:18,780 But thank you mayor. 2484 02:15:18,780 --> 02:15:24,880 I just like to reemphasize Jeremiah's suggestion 2485 02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:28,080 or interim city attorney's suggestion, 2486 02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:31,700 their letter of expectation that prospective approach. 2487 02:15:31,700 --> 02:15:34,300 And I think council member Nguyen made a good point. 2488 02:15:34,300 --> 02:15:37,480 I was putting myself in years in the past of being 2489 02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:42,800 like a staff liaison and it trying to decide 2490 02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:44,540 when to jump in or not. 2491 02:15:44,540 --> 02:15:48,040 I think when the group as a whole 2492 02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:53,560 is maybe heading down the road, that's not for the bylaws 2493 02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:54,940 and the direction. 2494 02:15:54,940 --> 02:15:59,280 I think that's when council and staff liaisons need to jump in. 2495 02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,840 I think at one point you made that I think does occur 2496 02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:05,460 and is probably going to occur with almost every group 2497 02:16:05,460 --> 02:16:07,380 over some given time. 2498 02:16:07,380 --> 02:16:09,740 If one person is making a statement 2499 02:16:09,740 --> 02:16:12,820 versus the action of the group. 2500 02:16:12,820 --> 02:16:17,580 I think you guys have had some good discussion 2501 02:16:17,580 --> 02:16:20,460 tonight about some of those differences. 2502 02:16:20,460 --> 02:16:25,100 One one off comments versus some concerns in a letter of maybe 2503 02:16:25,100 --> 02:16:27,580 accuracy of a data point. 2504 02:16:27,580 --> 02:16:29,400 Those are two different things in my mind. 2505 02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:32,500 I just want to make sure I just I feel 2506 02:16:32,500 --> 02:16:34,980 that's important to clarify because if I'm asking 2507 02:16:34,980 --> 02:16:39,580 in the future staff liaisons to jump in, if one person is just 2508 02:16:39,580 --> 02:16:42,780 making a comment that is negative or not, 2509 02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:44,693 unless the group starts heading down, 2510 02:16:44,693 --> 02:16:45,860 that I'm probably not going to have 2511 02:16:45,860 --> 02:16:49,080 them, jump in and say, hey, your opinion, 2512 02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:50,660 you can't say that opinion. 2513 02:16:50,660 --> 02:16:52,240 So I don't think anybody's saying that, 2514 02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,940 but I think that distinguishment distinguishing that in the way 2515 02:16:55,940 --> 02:17:00,780 this letter goes to the group or any group in this situation 2516 02:17:00,780 --> 02:17:02,610 is important. 2517 02:17:02,610 --> 02:17:04,549 Fantastic OK. 2518 02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:08,330 Anything else on item C before we move on to city 2519 02:17:08,330 --> 02:17:11,049 council communications. 2520 02:17:11,049 --> 02:17:12,110 OK moving on. 2521 02:17:12,110 --> 02:17:13,590 City council communications. 2522 02:17:13,590 --> 02:17:15,030 Unstructured time for council members. 2523 02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:18,049 Discuss current matters, share ideas for possible consideration 2524 02:17:18,049 --> 02:17:21,530 by council, and provide information from boards 2525 02:17:21,530 --> 02:17:23,370 and commission participation. 2526 02:17:23,370 --> 02:17:26,490 Council excuse me, gentlemen. 2527 02:17:26,490 --> 02:17:30,990 So on Saturday, I judged the civic speed for the chamber, 2528 02:17:30,990 --> 02:17:34,969 and it kind of started me thinking on some ways 2529 02:17:34,969 --> 02:17:39,610 that we as city council might be able to partner 2530 02:17:39,610 --> 02:17:42,770 with him to work with the kids so that they 2531 02:17:42,770 --> 02:17:44,190 really understand civics. 2532 02:17:44,190 --> 02:17:49,889 They just have this youth component. 2533 02:17:49,889 --> 02:17:53,410 First of all, I did want to just check to see 2534 02:17:53,410 --> 02:17:54,610 if everyone was all right. 2535 02:17:54,610 --> 02:17:57,930 I really would like to invite the top three placers 2536 02:17:57,930 --> 02:18:01,559 from the competition to come and be 2537 02:18:01,559 --> 02:18:04,360 able to join us behind the dais and see a council 2538 02:18:04,360 --> 02:18:06,392 meeting from the other side. 2539 02:18:06,392 --> 02:18:07,559 So I just wanted to see if everyone 2540 02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:08,500 was all right with that. 2541 02:18:08,500 --> 02:18:12,440 And then I am planning on working with the chamber to look 2542 02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:13,860 at what next year looks like. 2543 02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:17,200 And I just wanted to see if there was interest in council, 2544 02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:20,900 maybe participating with the children next year. 2545 02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:24,200 2546 02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:26,400 Yeah I'm interested. 2547 02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:32,760 Is everyone OK with inviting them to the council meeting. 2548 02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:34,540 Sure I think that'd be fine. 2549 02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:36,379 Just yes, I just want to. 2550 02:18:36,379 --> 02:18:39,400 2551 02:18:39,400 --> 02:18:41,240 Be on my best behavior that day. 2552 02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:42,820 Have counselors available. 2553 02:18:42,820 --> 02:18:45,480 2554 02:18:45,480 --> 02:18:47,320 I'm trying to write about next year. 2555 02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:52,680 Other items for consideration. 2556 02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:57,260 Yeah and next workshop topics. 2557 02:18:57,260 --> 02:18:59,590 That's more Mike's next workshop topics. 2558 02:18:59,590 --> 02:19:04,070 This is a place for us to bring forward topics as well. 2559 02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:07,430 So one thing I'd like to discuss a little bit 2560 02:19:07,430 --> 02:19:10,549 is around the real Estate Committee and the way 2561 02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:15,629 that it's currently just chaired by two members of city council. 2562 02:19:15,629 --> 02:19:17,389 These are pretty major decisions that 2563 02:19:17,389 --> 02:19:20,350 are being made that don't necessarily have 2564 02:19:20,350 --> 02:19:23,190 a majority backing behind them. 2565 02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:25,590 I'd like us to have some discussion around the way 2566 02:19:25,590 --> 02:19:27,590 that we're looking at the real Estate Committee 2567 02:19:27,590 --> 02:19:30,430 and talk about possibly dealing with that 2568 02:19:30,430 --> 02:19:33,389 through executive session with an entire council, as opposed 2569 02:19:33,389 --> 02:19:37,790 to a two member board. 2570 02:19:37,790 --> 02:19:41,469 Great yeah, I'd be open to that as well. 2571 02:19:41,469 --> 02:19:43,430 That was actually one of the concerns 2572 02:19:43,430 --> 02:19:45,610 I had during our last real Estate Committee. 2573 02:19:45,610 --> 02:19:48,870 And when we discussed the back gardens 2574 02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:51,330 and open space consideration. 2575 02:19:51,330 --> 02:19:54,110 And I think having a few more eyes on it 2576 02:19:54,110 --> 02:19:58,090 and having a little bit more deliberation would be helpful. 2577 02:19:58,090 --> 02:20:00,810 I was a little bit surprised by it 2578 02:20:00,810 --> 02:20:02,830 and had a few questions during that meeting, 2579 02:20:02,830 --> 02:20:06,250 but I think having a broader discussion about some 2580 02:20:06,250 --> 02:20:07,770 of those things is they're big. 2581 02:20:07,770 --> 02:20:09,970 We're talking about making decisions. 2582 02:20:09,970 --> 02:20:13,690 The problem is, and the reason that it's done the way it's done 2583 02:20:13,690 --> 02:20:16,230 is that the OML right. 2584 02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:18,190 So you have two people that you meet with, 2585 02:20:18,190 --> 02:20:19,850 some staff that are knowledgeable 2586 02:20:19,850 --> 02:20:23,690 on without necessarily making a vote or giving direction. 2587 02:20:23,690 --> 02:20:25,770 You have two council members that 2588 02:20:25,770 --> 02:20:26,830 say, yeah, that's a good idea. 2589 02:20:26,830 --> 02:20:29,250 We should go ahead and do a little more time into that 2590 02:20:29,250 --> 02:20:32,450 and then bring it to council with an executive session 2591 02:20:32,450 --> 02:20:34,690 that the concern I think we might run into 2592 02:20:34,690 --> 02:20:39,510 and Jeremiah might but help us with this, 2593 02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:42,250 but you end up having a situation 2594 02:20:42,250 --> 02:20:47,290 where you have all of you have a lot more executive sessions. 2595 02:20:47,290 --> 02:20:50,410 I mean, if we're looking at considering 2596 02:20:50,410 --> 02:20:53,050 something that might be some proprietary information 2597 02:20:53,050 --> 02:20:54,410 or negotiation. 2598 02:20:54,410 --> 02:20:55,070 Yeah, certainly. 2599 02:20:55,070 --> 02:20:57,620 I think as far as the real Estate Committee goes, 2600 02:20:57,620 --> 02:21:02,360 I believe they met at least two or three times during my tenure. 2601 02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:04,240 And so obviously, if you're looking 2602 02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:06,100 to replace that with an executive session, 2603 02:21:06,100 --> 02:21:09,800 that would be two or three more executive sessions. 2604 02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:13,020 But yeah, certainly purchase sale, 2605 02:21:13,020 --> 02:21:15,120 lease properties all something that 2606 02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:17,400 is contemplated in the open Meetings 2607 02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:18,780 law or executive session. 2608 02:21:18,780 --> 02:21:20,320 So certainly available. 2609 02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:24,660 Do you have any concerns about that from a staff perspective. 2610 02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:29,860 No this is the first place I've worked with such a committee. 2611 02:21:29,860 --> 02:21:32,140 So it's new to me as well. 2612 02:21:32,140 --> 02:21:37,200 Not saying it's wrong in any way, but just the way council 2613 02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:42,640 member Van Dyck talked about as another option was 2614 02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:44,180 what I've been more used to. 2615 02:21:44,180 --> 02:21:45,940 But it's more executive sessions, 2616 02:21:45,940 --> 02:21:49,400 I think in that discussion we could consider things 2617 02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:53,080 as well that probably the more harmless 2618 02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:54,790 or where we haven't run into issues 2619 02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:57,450 or sometimes we've gone just since I've been here. 2620 02:21:57,450 --> 02:22:01,270 There's been a few where there's a random strip of land 2621 02:22:01,270 --> 02:22:07,150 that we can't use, and a good example that there were weeds 2622 02:22:07,150 --> 02:22:10,230 and we weren't doing a great job of keeping up with them 2623 02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:11,890 in the neighboring property owners, 2624 02:22:11,890 --> 02:22:15,890 like, hey, I'd love to find that for appraised value. 2625 02:22:15,890 --> 02:22:18,810 And yeah, put that through to the council. 2626 02:22:18,810 --> 02:22:24,110 So still all those actions go to council ultimately. 2627 02:22:24,110 --> 02:22:28,130 But there we can work through that. 2628 02:22:28,130 --> 02:22:33,110 So yes I think that could be a good discussion. 2629 02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:36,310 Interesting great. 2630 02:22:36,310 --> 02:22:38,550 Any other items. 2631 02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:43,050 Yeah we've chatted about this before. 2632 02:22:43,050 --> 02:22:47,250 Cody and Diane's comment over the weekend reminded me of it, 2633 02:22:47,250 --> 02:22:52,680 but I would be curious just in if you didn't read the piece. 2634 02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:54,780 It's kind talks a little bit about Austin 2635 02:22:54,780 --> 02:22:58,740 and how they've seen. 2636 02:22:58,740 --> 02:23:01,340 Affordability increase in Austin and all the things 2637 02:23:01,340 --> 02:23:03,160 that they did in their community. 2638 02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:05,100 And one of the ones that I've always been intrigued 2639 02:23:05,100 --> 02:23:09,900 with for a while is these single exit apartment buildings 2640 02:23:09,900 --> 02:23:14,060 basically be some kind of code building code 2641 02:23:14,060 --> 02:23:18,000 update to allow below a certain threshold of height, 2642 02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,700 or units or certain types of things 2643 02:23:20,700 --> 02:23:24,700 where you could allow a different kind of model 2644 02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:26,820 of apartment building to exist. 2645 02:23:26,820 --> 02:23:28,500 I'd be curious if there was. 2646 02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:30,560 What was the name of that single stairway. 2647 02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:31,680 Single stairway. 2648 02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:32,900 Yeah, I would love to. 2649 02:23:32,900 --> 02:23:34,080 Yes, we have talked about that. 2650 02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:36,280 You sent me an email and we talked a little bit, 2651 02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:38,020 but then maybe. 2652 02:23:38,020 --> 02:23:39,940 Isn't that a state level. 2653 02:23:39,940 --> 02:23:42,320 Well, there was some stuff moving through the state. 2654 02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,220 I don't know if it passed like it didn't 2655 02:23:44,220 --> 02:23:46,400 matter to us or something, but. 2656 02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:48,600 So I'd love to look into that as well. 2657 02:23:48,600 --> 02:23:51,940 Yeah that's a housing affordability issue. 2658 02:23:51,940 --> 02:23:55,040 And that really impacts the cost of building 2659 02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:59,060 and specifically density when you're looking at small lots. 2660 02:23:59,060 --> 02:24:03,080 And yeah, it just adds a lot more flexibility for operators. 2661 02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:07,280 Great other thoughts issues. 2662 02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:10,240 OK, great. 2663 02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:12,200 Upcoming workshop topics. 2664 02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:13,460 Thank you. 2665 02:24:13,460 --> 02:24:17,120 Just on our next meeting, we have a discussion 2666 02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:19,800 on the update on the housing needs assessment 2667 02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:21,220 that's been going through. 2668 02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:23,920 So it's time to bring that back and where we're at 2669 02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:27,760 with that process and feedback that the consultant has gathered 2670 02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:32,240 through the various stakeholders that they've met with, 2671 02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:34,480 including city council. 2672 02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:39,560 And we plan to also regroup on the race x vetting 2673 02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:42,240 and come back to council to discuss that. 2674 02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:45,420 In fact, I need to forward this on to the city council, 2675 02:24:45,420 --> 02:24:50,230 to the CEO of the company has reached out 2676 02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:54,350 and would like to be in town or. 2677 02:24:54,350 --> 02:25:01,170 Yes So I was on the email, but I thought I should come. 2678 02:25:01,170 --> 02:25:03,190 It was directed and staff and I thought 2679 02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:04,670 it should come from staff. 2680 02:25:04,670 --> 02:25:09,630 But yeah, the airways ex CEO who is coming from Japan 2681 02:25:09,630 --> 02:25:12,310 to visit Grand Junction. 2682 02:25:12,310 --> 02:25:14,770 And I think we have a date on here, 2683 02:25:14,770 --> 02:25:16,850 I don't remember is this month. 2684 02:25:16,850 --> 02:25:20,510 Yeah I think it's tied to when we're 2685 02:25:20,510 --> 02:25:22,330 planning on the next workshop. 2686 02:25:22,330 --> 02:25:24,290 So I'll get some information out on that. 2687 02:25:24,290 --> 02:25:25,890 But that's another item. 2688 02:25:25,890 --> 02:25:28,070 So housing needs assessment here. 2689 02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:30,110 And then the boards and commission liaison 2690 02:25:30,110 --> 02:25:33,230 assignments or some for sure. 2691 02:25:33,230 --> 02:25:34,990 Items on that. 2692 02:25:34,990 --> 02:25:40,850 We have in addition to that looking these are tentative. 2693 02:25:40,850 --> 02:25:42,610 Of course you see some of these move. 2694 02:25:42,610 --> 02:25:47,260 So depending on availability of guests or readiness 2695 02:25:47,260 --> 02:25:50,940 of the information needed for the discussion, but tentatively 2696 02:25:50,940 --> 02:25:51,600 June 1. 2697 02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:55,880 We're looking at we were hoping on May 18, 2698 02:25:55,880 --> 02:25:57,600 but with some of the shifts and. 2699 02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:02,780 Timing with these, the seventh and 9 Street concept discussion 2700 02:26:02,780 --> 02:26:04,220 that we've kind of had. 2701 02:26:04,220 --> 02:26:06,200 Since it's bumped a little bit along the way. 2702 02:26:06,200 --> 02:26:10,320 But it's coming back to that, the. 2703 02:26:10,320 --> 02:26:12,700 Direction to look at that 9 Street at one 2704 02:26:12,700 --> 02:26:16,300 point in time alternative and then the street 2705 02:26:16,300 --> 02:26:19,380 on North of town on 7. 2706 02:26:19,380 --> 02:26:21,300 And just bringing that back to council 2707 02:26:21,300 --> 02:26:25,860 and then the redevelopment area incentive. 2708 02:26:25,860 --> 02:26:27,480 Again, that's not as timely. 2709 02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:31,780 It's an incentive for economic development for certain types 2710 02:26:31,780 --> 02:26:36,060 of housing as well, related to multifamily housing related 2711 02:26:36,060 --> 02:26:41,420 to that actually is expired, but we are honoring it 2712 02:26:41,420 --> 02:26:43,340 until we have this discussion. 2713 02:26:43,340 --> 02:26:48,270 So for instance in two Rios with the housing that's coming there. 2714 02:26:48,270 --> 02:26:52,430 So we need to talk about that and maybe some minor tweaks, 2715 02:26:52,430 --> 02:26:56,410 but our recommendation is to extend it. 2716 02:26:56,410 --> 02:26:59,870 But you can have that discussion looking a little further. 2717 02:26:59,870 --> 02:27:04,510 June 15 we have the Grand Valley river corridor initiative. 2718 02:27:04,510 --> 02:27:06,510 There's a discussion for that. 2719 02:27:06,510 --> 02:27:09,850 That's a broad discussion that needs to occur. 2720 02:27:09,850 --> 02:27:12,310 Local preference procurement potentially. 2721 02:27:12,310 --> 02:27:17,810 And that's been asked to be on one of these in Whitman park. 2722 02:27:17,810 --> 02:27:19,310 So those are there. 2723 02:27:19,310 --> 02:27:22,610 There's been some other requests that we 2724 02:27:22,610 --> 02:27:24,110 need to bring into there. 2725 02:27:24,110 --> 02:27:27,030 At some point we'll come back with tools as well. 2726 02:27:27,030 --> 02:27:29,650 Beyond how strategies and partnerships 2727 02:27:29,650 --> 02:27:32,730 and possible plug-in that we thought 2728 02:27:32,730 --> 02:27:34,570 would be tonight within the housing 2729 02:27:34,570 --> 02:27:37,970 authority is ready to potentially discuss 2730 02:27:37,970 --> 02:27:42,050 a how the city functions with the housing authority 2731 02:27:42,050 --> 02:27:43,270 with deed restrictions. 2732 02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:47,910 And so those are all pending. 2733 02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:49,950 And then water and drought information 2734 02:27:49,950 --> 02:27:52,670 we are going to send some information 2735 02:27:52,670 --> 02:27:54,690 out this week to council. 2736 02:27:54,690 --> 02:27:57,590 So you can have that broader. 2737 02:27:57,590 --> 02:27:59,850 There's been a lot of small messages along the way. 2738 02:27:59,850 --> 02:28:01,710 So kind of putting it all together. 2739 02:28:01,710 --> 02:28:04,990 And, after receiving that, having that before the town 2740 02:28:04,990 --> 02:28:08,070 Hall on Monday because there's likely questions 2741 02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:09,810 that will come out from that. 2742 02:28:09,810 --> 02:28:13,210 But then that leads to further discussion as well. 2743 02:28:13,210 --> 02:28:16,290 So a lot of items, those are all kind of slightly moving. 2744 02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:18,530 But just to give you a picture of what's coming up. 2745 02:28:18,530 --> 02:28:21,110 2746 02:28:21,110 --> 02:28:24,110 And then I did have just two other items 2747 02:28:24,110 --> 02:28:25,590 when we get to that point. 2748 02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:28,590 OK great. 2749 02:28:28,590 --> 02:28:33,390 Moving on to other business, I do have an item there. 2750 02:28:33,390 --> 02:28:37,590 And this pertains to a procurements for Wednesday 2751 02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:38,430 night. 2752 02:28:38,430 --> 02:28:40,550 Regarding the coatings conversation 2753 02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:42,420 is on the consent agenda. 2754 02:28:42,420 --> 02:28:44,440 One of the things I was looking for specifically, 2755 02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:46,480 and I'm sorry to catch you offline on this mic, 2756 02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:48,980 but we had several questions and I 2757 02:28:48,980 --> 02:28:51,180 don't know that those were necessarily answered 2758 02:28:51,180 --> 02:28:55,260 in the staff report there. 2759 02:28:55,260 --> 02:28:59,500 I know we got some information back from Jeremiah 2760 02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:03,540 on just an opinion on that, which I'm not going to get 2761 02:29:03,540 --> 02:29:05,620 into that here, but I've had some conversations 2762 02:29:05,620 --> 02:29:08,060 with him on what that does and doesn't mean 2763 02:29:08,060 --> 02:29:10,460 and the latitude it allows for us. 2764 02:29:10,460 --> 02:29:13,540 But what my concern is specifically 2765 02:29:13,540 --> 02:29:17,140 that the council or the sorry that the staff reports 2766 02:29:17,140 --> 02:29:22,980 to council in the packet didn't go into any resolution 2767 02:29:22,980 --> 02:29:25,820 around the claims from a local company 2768 02:29:25,820 --> 02:29:27,940 that they're redoing a bunch of jobs 2769 02:29:27,940 --> 02:29:30,660 locally from the Wyoming company, 2770 02:29:30,660 --> 02:29:34,100 that was an email I received from one of the media 2771 02:29:34,100 --> 02:29:37,100 working on that is significant to me 2772 02:29:37,100 --> 02:29:39,260 in making that decision based on what 2773 02:29:39,260 --> 02:29:41,470 I know now without having that. 2774 02:29:41,470 --> 02:29:42,190 We come to Monday. 2775 02:29:42,190 --> 02:29:46,770 I'm going to vote no or that. 2776 02:29:46,770 --> 02:29:49,090 Or at least not vote for that one. 2777 02:29:49,090 --> 02:29:54,970 Also concerns about whether or not how long 2778 02:29:54,970 --> 02:29:58,710 do they have 80% of their employees is Colorado employees. 2779 02:29:58,710 --> 02:30:02,410 And I mean, obviously not to talk about the issues itself, 2780 02:30:02,410 --> 02:30:05,850 but other considerations about what's 2781 02:30:05,850 --> 02:30:10,790 in the best interest of Grand Junction and our local economy. 2782 02:30:10,790 --> 02:30:14,190 So I just felt like I'm a little concerned about that. 2783 02:30:14,190 --> 02:30:18,750 Being on the consent agenda is do we have to have that on. 2784 02:30:18,750 --> 02:30:21,370 Is there a time crunch that's saying 2785 02:30:21,370 --> 02:30:24,730 we have to have this decided rather 2786 02:30:24,730 --> 02:30:27,230 than just table this yet again and put it on down the road. 2787 02:30:27,230 --> 02:30:29,170 I just feel like there's some things that weren't 2788 02:30:29,170 --> 02:30:30,630 addressed in the packet. 2789 02:30:30,630 --> 02:30:33,030 And I just wanted to do this in a way. 2790 02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:35,290 So before Wednesday. 2791 02:30:35,290 --> 02:30:39,690 Yeah, I apologize if we didn't catch all of them, 2792 02:30:39,690 --> 02:30:44,430 but I thought we had addressed the questions with what city 2793 02:30:44,430 --> 02:30:46,870 attorney Jeremiah sent out, and some of them 2794 02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:49,530 are tied to legal advice. 2795 02:30:49,530 --> 02:30:54,710 And so you're right on the question of if there's to do. 2796 02:30:54,710 --> 02:30:58,290 And we've heard that from the company based on the email, 2797 02:30:58,290 --> 02:31:01,690 but I'm not able to verify that necessarily. 2798 02:31:01,690 --> 02:31:03,710 And I didn't necessarily think it was my role 2799 02:31:03,710 --> 02:31:06,070 to go out and call those companies 2800 02:31:06,070 --> 02:31:09,190 and say, hey, I've heard that this is going on 2801 02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:10,710 and I'm tempted to. 2802 02:31:10,710 --> 02:31:12,250 But that's one of those things. 2803 02:31:12,250 --> 02:31:14,650 And I'm making this up, I don't remember the name, 2804 02:31:14,650 --> 02:31:16,170 but let's just say it was close to the water. 2805 02:31:16,170 --> 02:31:16,950 You water. 2806 02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:19,510 And they say, oh yeah, we had a terrible experience with them. 2807 02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:20,710 Well, of course, we don't want to do 2808 02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:21,610 business with that company. 2809 02:31:21,610 --> 02:31:22,970 Not saying that happened at all. 2810 02:31:22,970 --> 02:31:24,670 That's just an example. 2811 02:31:24,670 --> 02:31:27,110 We as staff can definitely reach out and see if we 2812 02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:28,810 can get a response on those. 2813 02:31:28,810 --> 02:31:33,170 I now remember that came through an email, 2814 02:31:33,170 --> 02:31:36,350 not from them and not necessarily 2815 02:31:36,350 --> 02:31:37,560 through that discussion. 2816 02:31:37,560 --> 02:31:39,340 So we were kind of going off the nose 2817 02:31:39,340 --> 02:31:42,340 during the meeting of what we had to address coming back 2818 02:31:42,340 --> 02:31:44,380 and missed that one. 2819 02:31:44,380 --> 02:31:46,200 But we can easily. 2820 02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:49,020 I think some of those were a couple local partners 2821 02:31:49,020 --> 02:31:49,640 to work with. 2822 02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:51,800 We can check on that. 2823 02:31:51,800 --> 02:31:58,820 As far as the verification, this just applies to how we always 2824 02:31:58,820 --> 02:32:02,240 treat those with again, as a state statute, 2825 02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:05,560 they have to prove, they have to show that they're doing it. 2826 02:32:05,560 --> 02:32:09,620 And then we can put in the contractual terms. 2827 02:32:09,620 --> 02:32:12,640 And so far from what we have now, 2828 02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:15,780 just like any other group that comes from out of state, 2829 02:32:15,780 --> 02:32:20,500 if they provide that information that they can. 2830 02:32:20,500 --> 02:32:22,520 Then we can put it in the contract. 2831 02:32:22,520 --> 02:32:27,700 But it's also then it gets into that tricky scenario of it's 2832 02:32:27,700 --> 02:32:31,320 not necessarily our enforcement, it's enforcement. 2833 02:32:31,320 --> 02:32:32,640 And there's no way to verify it. 2834 02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:34,020 And there's no. 2835 02:32:34,020 --> 02:32:36,430 And again, I have new ways. 2836 02:32:36,430 --> 02:32:38,430 If I don't want to litigate this tonight. 2837 02:32:38,430 --> 02:32:40,650 I don't want to get in a situation 2838 02:32:40,650 --> 02:32:41,790 where I'm out of bounds. 2839 02:32:41,790 --> 02:32:44,730 As far as the conversation goes for just another business topic 2840 02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:48,170 here in the workshop, but I am willing to say 2841 02:32:48,170 --> 02:32:51,450 that my preference would be that we give, that we give 2842 02:32:51,450 --> 02:32:54,210 this enough until the following week on the coatings 2843 02:32:54,210 --> 02:32:57,770 conversation, because I do want those questions 2844 02:32:57,770 --> 02:33:02,150 answered regarding the claims on the botched jobs. 2845 02:33:02,150 --> 02:33:08,930 2846 02:33:08,930 --> 02:33:11,790 I was just checking with our deputy city manager. 2847 02:33:11,790 --> 02:33:13,830 I know there is a timing issue. 2848 02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:18,910 I can't say I'm 100% that it's this meeting or not, 2849 02:33:18,910 --> 02:33:20,430 but it is very soon. 2850 02:33:20,430 --> 02:33:24,050 I don't Jeremiah, if but to be able to mobilize and get 2851 02:33:24,050 --> 02:33:26,110 this done towards the end of the year. 2852 02:33:26,110 --> 02:33:30,250 My recollection was they needed the job to start in September. 2853 02:33:30,250 --> 02:33:33,010 And of course, that needs to be a little bit of leeway 2854 02:33:33,010 --> 02:33:35,900 before that, in order to do the contract, 2855 02:33:35,900 --> 02:33:39,080 and then bring everybody up to speed and start the actual work 2856 02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:39,700 itself. 2857 02:33:39,700 --> 02:33:44,660 So there's a time issue, but I don't know how pressing. 2858 02:33:44,660 --> 02:33:48,840 I just can't say, especially considering the impact 2859 02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:50,180 of this on our community. 2860 02:33:50,180 --> 02:33:57,080 OK Anybody else on other business this evening. 2861 02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:59,280 Yes, thanks. 2862 02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:00,180 I said it out loud. 2863 02:34:00,180 --> 02:34:03,440 I forget. 2864 02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:09,880 One is we received a request, and there's not a time because 2865 02:34:09,880 --> 02:34:12,020 it would have to go out today. 2866 02:34:12,020 --> 02:34:15,360 And so if you don't feel comfortable, it's totally fine. 2867 02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:21,440 But it's a request from the Colorado water Congress 2868 02:34:21,440 --> 02:34:23,920 to sign on to a letter of support 2869 02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:27,160 to the US House and Senate leaders, requesting 2 billion 2870 02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:30,280 a year for the next five years for Western water systems 2871 02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:31,620 to mitigate drought. 2872 02:34:31,620 --> 02:34:33,800 Trial and. 2873 02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:36,900 2874 02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:39,180 And this is not how we normally like to try 2875 02:34:39,180 --> 02:34:41,400 to address something like that. 2876 02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:43,960 I have we printed out the draft. 2877 02:34:43,960 --> 02:34:49,140 We did not have the turnaround time to normally look at this. 2878 02:34:49,140 --> 02:34:56,340 We got it I think over the weekend if I recall 2879 02:34:56,340 --> 02:35:00,820 and their date was today, they're sending it 2880 02:35:00,820 --> 02:35:04,900 and it's a short letter, I can hand it out 2881 02:35:04,900 --> 02:35:06,800 or you can say there's not enough time, 2882 02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:11,220 but I just want to bring it up, that is a specific piece. 2883 02:35:11,220 --> 02:35:14,260 It's an urging them to use any forthcoming funding legislation 2884 02:35:14,260 --> 02:35:17,740 to address the crisis directly or through emergency assistance 2885 02:35:17,740 --> 02:35:21,060 and deliver results this year through sustained investment 2886 02:35:21,060 --> 02:35:24,660 and modernize our water infrastructure for the decades 2887 02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:26,620 ahead. 2888 02:35:26,620 --> 02:35:28,220 It talks about providing emergency 2889 02:35:28,220 --> 02:35:31,590 funding this year to finance water conservation measures. 2890 02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:32,950 Short term water supply. 2891 02:35:32,950 --> 02:35:36,430 Again, this is not only this is not just for an injunction. 2892 02:35:36,430 --> 02:35:37,850 This is for. 2893 02:35:37,850 --> 02:35:42,010 So they're asking all of the water providers to as many 2894 02:35:42,010 --> 02:35:44,970 as they can to sign on to this. 2895 02:35:44,970 --> 02:35:48,250 I don't like to throw these requests out last minute. 2896 02:35:48,250 --> 02:35:49,830 It's hard enough without. 2897 02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:52,370 2898 02:35:52,370 --> 02:35:55,130 Water Colorado. 2899 02:35:55,130 --> 02:35:57,450 Sounds like a good way to pipe a dish. 2900 02:35:57,450 --> 02:36:02,330 Yeah, and it's also hard to know without looking 2901 02:36:02,330 --> 02:36:03,870 into them generally I would looking to say. 2902 02:36:03,870 --> 02:36:06,570 OK, well, what other things is this particular group 2903 02:36:06,570 --> 02:36:09,650 involved in and making sure they're not like critical. 2904 02:36:09,650 --> 02:36:13,210 I don't think it's unfair for us to just 2905 02:36:13,210 --> 02:36:20,250 respond that, well, this is in no way a support or non-support. 2906 02:36:20,250 --> 02:36:22,410 We didn't have time to meet your deadline. 2907 02:36:22,410 --> 02:36:26,930 I mean, I think that's best practice. 2908 02:36:26,930 --> 02:36:30,840 Just so I'm not urging, I'm just bringing it up 2909 02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:34,740 because we got that request before you tonight. 2910 02:36:34,740 --> 02:36:40,080 Before their deadline today. 2911 02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:42,320 Well, are we. 2912 02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:44,840 We're not a member. 2913 02:36:44,840 --> 02:36:46,160 Maybe sits on that. 2914 02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:48,840 I'm not on the hours. 2915 02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:54,560 So they're asking 2 billion per year for the next five years 2916 02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:56,880 for immediate and long term drought needs. 2917 02:36:56,880 --> 02:37:05,720 So our previous utilities director sat on the Affairs 2918 02:37:05,720 --> 02:37:08,440 Committee of this group. 2919 02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:10,200 She's now retired. 2920 02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:11,500 I guess I don't. 2921 02:37:11,500 --> 02:37:14,240 2922 02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:17,920 I mean, my opinion is I'd like more time. 2923 02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:18,900 We don't have time. 2924 02:37:18,900 --> 02:37:22,040 2925 02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:25,160 All right and then. 2926 02:37:25,160 --> 02:37:25,800 So go ahead. 2927 02:37:25,800 --> 02:37:28,390 This number 2 is just a heads up. 2928 02:37:28,390 --> 02:37:32,310 Coming into Wednesdays meeting because this doesn't happen too 2929 02:37:32,310 --> 02:37:36,070 often, being one of the first item on the agenda 2930 02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:39,390 is to address the next appointment 2931 02:37:39,390 --> 02:37:41,430 of Mayor and Mayor Pro tem. 2932 02:37:41,430 --> 02:37:44,110 So just for clarity, you'll still 2933 02:37:44,110 --> 02:37:46,830 show up out of your current seats 2934 02:37:46,830 --> 02:37:49,030 exactly where you normally sit. 2935 02:37:49,030 --> 02:37:50,930 We'll start the meeting off as normal, 2936 02:37:50,930 --> 02:37:52,890 and then there will be the discussion. 2937 02:37:52,890 --> 02:37:55,070 And then once you all make the motion 2938 02:37:55,070 --> 02:37:59,310 and decide what the result is, we will take a brief break. 2939 02:37:59,310 --> 02:38:03,950 We will rearrange the dais, assuming 2940 02:38:03,950 --> 02:38:08,910 if there's a new mayor or Mayor Pro tem in the center seats, 2941 02:38:08,910 --> 02:38:13,030 and then we will invite everybody back 2942 02:38:13,030 --> 02:38:16,310 and then there will be a swearing in 2943 02:38:16,310 --> 02:38:20,910 and then the meeting will continue with the agenda. 2944 02:38:20,910 --> 02:38:23,130 So just a little bit of logistics. 2945 02:38:23,130 --> 02:38:25,690 So it doesn't feel awkward right. 2946 02:38:25,690 --> 02:38:27,630 Yes so help me out with that. 2947 02:38:27,630 --> 02:38:28,770 It'll be on the agenda. 2948 02:38:28,770 --> 02:38:29,670 So we'll come in. 2949 02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:34,930 We'll do the typical pledge of Allegiance. 2950 02:38:34,930 --> 02:38:38,630 Silence council reports. 2951 02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:41,030 That is for the city manager reports, 2952 02:38:41,030 --> 02:38:43,510 et cetera will come around all the way. 2953 02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:45,810 We'll do public comment and we'll come to that. 2954 02:38:45,810 --> 02:38:49,230 That first agenda item, which will be no, I think the mayor, 2955 02:38:49,230 --> 02:38:51,150 Mayor Pro tem is it. 2956 02:38:51,150 --> 02:38:52,050 Oh, I'm sorry. 2957 02:38:52,050 --> 02:38:53,470 Disregard what I just said. 2958 02:38:53,470 --> 02:38:57,970 Mayor Pro Tem, I think we just do the Pledge of Allegiance. 2959 02:38:57,970 --> 02:38:58,790 Pledge of Allegiance. 2960 02:38:58,790 --> 02:38:59,850 Moment of silence. 2961 02:38:59,850 --> 02:39:02,370 OK, great, I will, as usual, just 2962 02:39:02,370 --> 02:39:05,210 follow whatever the paper says. 2963 02:39:05,210 --> 02:39:07,390 So I did have one more thing. 2964 02:39:07,390 --> 02:39:08,730 I'm sorry. 2965 02:39:08,730 --> 02:39:10,930 There is an event for the American 2966 02:39:10,930 --> 02:39:14,570 250 celebration on July four. 2967 02:39:14,570 --> 02:39:15,990 Liberty on the lawn. 2968 02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:18,410 And this is at Sherwood Park. 2969 02:39:18,410 --> 02:39:23,520 I don't know if the city is doing anything that day or if. 2970 02:39:23,520 --> 02:39:29,880 Do we have a 250 celebration on city store. 2971 02:39:29,880 --> 02:39:31,900 I wish he was still here. 2972 02:39:31,900 --> 02:39:34,560 Her department has been coordinating with Grand Junction 2973 02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:36,660 and then the larger committee locally, 2974 02:39:36,660 --> 02:39:39,900 and there's a number of events throughout the year. 2975 02:39:39,900 --> 02:39:42,060 I don't recall one on July four. 2976 02:39:42,060 --> 02:39:45,040 I know there's some going into the fall. 2977 02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:47,020 We're also coordinating with Mesa County. 2978 02:39:47,020 --> 02:39:50,180 They are going to be decorating their building, 2979 02:39:50,180 --> 02:39:53,040 and they've offered some large flags if we would 2980 02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:55,880 like to participate with them. 2981 02:39:55,880 --> 02:39:58,060 And we don't have all the details yet. 2982 02:39:58,060 --> 02:40:01,680 But yeah, but I would imagine it might look funny if one building 2983 02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,100 and it's not. 2984 02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:05,880 So we're coordinating our teams are coordinating that. 2985 02:40:05,880 --> 02:40:07,740 So this is out of my head, I don't know about. 2986 02:40:07,740 --> 02:40:11,400 So this is on July 4 from noon to 7:00 PM. 2987 02:40:11,400 --> 02:40:13,640 And this is like Entertainment Community 2988 02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:16,860 singing, various contests, activities, 2989 02:40:16,860 --> 02:40:19,500 and Chautauqua reenactments. 2990 02:40:19,500 --> 02:40:22,510 I don't know if they're working on that. 2991 02:40:22,510 --> 02:40:23,250 But this. 2992 02:40:23,250 --> 02:40:26,590 They want to keep the event free. 2993 02:40:26,590 --> 02:40:31,270 And obviously they're looking for donations as well if that's 2994 02:40:31,270 --> 02:40:33,390 possible for the city. 2995 02:40:33,390 --> 02:40:34,650 So I forwarded this to you. 2996 02:40:34,650 --> 02:40:36,470 But if we don't have anything else, 2997 02:40:36,470 --> 02:40:38,750 I just think it'd be a great thing that we 2998 02:40:38,750 --> 02:40:40,370 could just send a city mark. 2999 02:40:40,370 --> 02:40:43,430 It's on the 4th of July after the parade. 3000 02:40:43,430 --> 02:40:45,790 So, anyway, if we can do anything 3001 02:40:45,790 --> 02:40:48,810 with that great other business. 3002 02:40:48,810 --> 02:40:52,230 3003 02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:53,690 All right. 3004 02:40:53,690 --> 02:40:54,910 We are adjourned. 3005 02:40:54,910 --> 02:40:55,450 Oh, sorry. 3006 02:40:55,450 --> 02:40:56,417 Mike, did you have something. 3007 02:40:56,417 --> 02:41:00,510 I was just going to clarify with the item 3008 02:41:00,510 --> 02:41:04,430 that you brought up related to the procurement 3009 02:41:04,430 --> 02:41:07,990 that's currently on the agenda. 3010 02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:10,710 Just clarifying is that direction from the council 3011 02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:15,630 to remove that prior to and put it on the next meeting, 3012 02:41:15,630 --> 02:41:17,430 or is that something you were talking 3013 02:41:17,430 --> 02:41:20,980 about discussing at the meeting as far as pulling it 3014 02:41:20,980 --> 02:41:22,160 and then rescheduling. 3015 02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:25,180 I just wanted clarity so we're not guessing 3016 02:41:25,180 --> 02:41:26,280 if we're going to change. 3017 02:41:26,280 --> 02:41:30,980 So any issues with us getting a temperature reading on the room 3018 02:41:30,980 --> 02:41:32,820 on that since we're not actually voting 3019 02:41:32,820 --> 02:41:37,200 at this point towards the end of other business about this, 3020 02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:38,960 just to give council some direction on that. 3021 02:41:38,960 --> 02:41:42,100 Yeah if council gives us direction here tonight 3022 02:41:42,100 --> 02:41:44,420 to pull the item that we'll pull the item 3023 02:41:44,420 --> 02:41:48,580 is anybody is anybody against pulling 3024 02:41:48,580 --> 02:41:51,420 item just for discussion. 3025 02:41:51,420 --> 02:41:52,900 Well no not for discussion. 3026 02:41:52,900 --> 02:41:55,420 Just off the agenda. 3027 02:41:55,420 --> 02:41:57,940 Just to get just to give staff enough time 3028 02:41:57,940 --> 02:41:59,260 to address the concerns that were 3029 02:41:59,260 --> 02:42:01,460 brought forward about the other company 3030 02:42:01,460 --> 02:42:03,940 with some local contracts. 3031 02:42:03,940 --> 02:42:04,520 Just so. 3032 02:42:04,520 --> 02:42:07,440 And whether whenever they get those figured out, 3033 02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:09,680 they put it on the next meeting or the meeting after, 3034 02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:12,380 it sounds like we have some time, some runway 3035 02:42:12,380 --> 02:42:14,580 before that has to be answered. 3036 02:42:14,580 --> 02:42:16,180 Is that OK with everybody. 3037 02:42:16,180 --> 02:42:19,720 It shouldn't take us too long with the local groups. 3038 02:42:19,720 --> 02:42:22,680 You might have it done tomorrow, but rather than the. 3039 02:42:22,680 --> 02:42:27,040 I just wanted to clarify because it's rather than leave it 3040 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:30,540 on if the group is giving us direction to postpone it, 3041 02:42:30,540 --> 02:42:32,240 it would be better to move it. 3042 02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:35,760 Yeah, that would be my request. 3043 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:38,940 And if anybody is opposed that please God. 3044 02:42:38,940 --> 02:42:41,980 But my request would be that we remove it for now and. 3045 02:42:41,980 --> 02:42:51,120 3046 02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:55,420 Then after that, I think we're still within the window. 3047 02:42:55,420 --> 02:42:56,020 We'll try. 3048 02:42:56,020 --> 02:42:59,700 I think we will strive to bring it back within the two weeks, 3049 02:42:59,700 --> 02:43:05,160 because those bids come in with a 60 day window for otherwise 3050 02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:06,980 if we have to do that again. 3051 02:43:06,980 --> 02:43:11,960 And it keeps it safe for companies. 3052 02:43:11,960 --> 02:43:12,920 Great thank you. 3053 02:43:12,920 --> 02:43:17,170 OK with that, if there's nothing else, we're adjourned. 3054 02:43:17,170 --> 02:43:18,000