1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:24,740


2
00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:29,780
So workshop session
council member Lutz Cole

3
00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:31,980
is not with us this
evening, so I'll be running

4
00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:33,000
the meeting for everybody.

5
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,620
So bear with me as I
stammer through this.

6
00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:40,660
We have council member
Ballard virtual tonight,

7
00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:45,100
and I believe Laura might
be joining us at some point

8
00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:47,820
virtually, but we'll see
if she's able to make it.

9
00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:50,080
I get started on our first item.

10
00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,420
That's the housing action
plan revised draft.

11
00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:56,660
I believe Mike has an
introduction on that one.

12
00:01:56,660 --> 00:01:57,160
All right.

13
00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,250
Thank you, Mayor Pro tem
and members of council.

14
00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:03,890
And tonight we are
revisiting a revised draft

15
00:02:03,890 --> 00:02:07,370
or revisiting reviewing
a revised draft

16
00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:10,250
of our housing action plan.

17
00:02:10,250 --> 00:02:15,530
Couple workshops ago, council
had a presentation on a draft

18
00:02:15,530 --> 00:02:18,250
and we have Molly
Fitzpatrick with route policy

19
00:02:18,250 --> 00:02:19,350
online with us.

20
00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:23,290
Who's put the work into
this as our consultant

21
00:02:23,290 --> 00:02:28,890
and worked on previous
policies plans as well.

22
00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:33,010
We provided a redlined
version and a clean version

23
00:02:33,010 --> 00:02:37,810
in the council packet, which
was posted on GJ city.org

24
00:02:37,810 --> 00:02:39,150
for the public to review.

25
00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:42,610
We got that posted last
Wednesday, I believe,

26
00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:48,290
and tonight the purpose is
really to get council's thoughts

27
00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:51,570
on those changes, see if
the changes were based

28
00:02:51,570 --> 00:02:53,890
on the feedback from
your last workshop

29
00:02:53,890 --> 00:02:59,510
on the housing action plan we
would like to get this to meet

30
00:02:59,510 --> 00:03:02,210
the deadlines with the state
requirements and everything,

31
00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:05,910
to get this through
the regular council

32
00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:10,310
meetings and the public hearing
that the state requires for us

33
00:03:10,310 --> 00:03:12,830
to get to final approval.

34
00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:16,310
Looking to do that later
in September or October

35
00:03:16,310 --> 00:03:17,910
if necessary.

36
00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:22,430
And so, I think to
start off if and I

37
00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:28,030
also have Paul Starkey here
from our housing team as well.

38
00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:30,250
I can help answer
some questions,

39
00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:33,790
but I think Molly
will be our presenter.

40
00:03:33,790 --> 00:03:38,670
Molly, if are you able to just
pull up something that where

41
00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:42,470
we can just walk through a
quick overview of those changes

42
00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:45,510
and then see if council has any
questions or discussion related

43
00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:49,990
to those and if there's anything
you'd like us to change or add.

44
00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:50,610
Can you hear us.

45
00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:52,570
Well Molly, we can.

46
00:03:52,570 --> 00:03:53,860
Can you guys hear me.

47
00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:56,560
The tech check to make
sure we're all set.

48
00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,260
So perfect.

49
00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:00,720
Thanks so much for the intro.

50
00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,840
Appreciate the time.

51
00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,000
I know you guys have other
agenda items as well,

52
00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,440
and so I'm primarily
here to answer questions.

53
00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,320
I'm going to do a quick run
through on the key changes.

54
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,220
I don't have that in
a slide deck format

55
00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:13,040
just because they're
pretty quick.

56
00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,240
And I think the easiest way for
you all to look at obviously,

57
00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,540
is checking the red
line, which I know

58
00:04:17,540 --> 00:04:18,800
you've all reviewed already.

59
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:24,020
So let me just walk through at
a high level, the key things

60
00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:25,900
that you should expect
to see as you're looking

61
00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:26,720
through those red lines.

62
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,540
And I'll take any questions
that you all have.

63
00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:33,980
First of all, this
new draft is intended

64
00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:37,640
to reflect the feedback both
from our council discussion,

65
00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,480
your council discussion.

66
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,540
Last time I was there,
as well as some feedback

67
00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:46,020
that we received from
stakeholders, primarily

68
00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:47,700
the housing authority.

69
00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:50,240
And I think I saw Scott
there as well tonight.

70
00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,780
So he's around to help
support that as well.

71
00:04:53,780 --> 00:04:56,640
In terms of feedback from
the last council session,

72
00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,300
certainly there's a
couple tweaks throughout,

73
00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:00,600
but the two primary
changes that you'll

74
00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,880
see based on our conversation
was, number one, removing

75
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,120
the recommendation
that formalized

76
00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,900
a Housing Advisory board
as part of our discussion.

77
00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:11,080
Your discussion.

78
00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,080
It really felt like, look,
we can do that really just

79
00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,460
through targeted engagement.

80
00:05:14,460 --> 00:05:16,180
We're already having
those conversations.

81
00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:18,460
We don't need to
formalize that in a board.

82
00:05:18,460 --> 00:05:20,920
So you'll see the removal
of that recommendation

83
00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,280
based on that feedback.

84
00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,660
The other thing which
I think is more minor.

85
00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:27,240
We did talk a good bit about
just your current budget

86
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,960
priorities and acknowledging
that any consideration

87
00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,480
for potential funding
of housing that would be

88
00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,673
separate from the general fund.

89
00:05:36,673 --> 00:05:38,040
So you can still have
those conversations

90
00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,820
with the general fund,
but the strategy,

91
00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:45,220
which was strategy 7 is now
or was strategy 8 is now.

92
00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:46,920
Strategy seven said
explore revenue

93
00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,680
options and financing tools.

94
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,570
We pushed that further out
into the planning period.

95
00:05:52,570 --> 00:05:56,310
So as you all this housing
action plan is a six year plan.

96
00:05:56,310 --> 00:05:59,590
We initially had that
financing and funding strategy

97
00:05:59,590 --> 00:06:05,230
in a to two year period, and
we've pushed that out further

98
00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:07,790
into more of 4 to
six years in terms

99
00:06:07,790 --> 00:06:10,330
of looking for opportunities
for new funding sources.

100
00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:12,310
So that's one of the
action items under what's

101
00:06:12,310 --> 00:06:13,850
currently strategy seven.

102
00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:16,310
Those are the two
main topics that

103
00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:18,710
came out of your conversation.

104
00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:21,350
As I mentioned, another
source of updates

105
00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:23,310
was feedback that we
received from the Grand

106
00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:24,750
Junction housing authority.

107
00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:27,610
Really thorough and great
review from that group.

108
00:06:27,610 --> 00:06:31,470
Obviously, they're a key
partner and a key implementer.

109
00:06:31,470 --> 00:06:33,630
Those changes were
primarily focused

110
00:06:33,630 --> 00:06:37,310
around making sure we're
emphasizing in the right places

111
00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:39,590
engagement with stakeholders.

112
00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:42,670
So particularly as we're taking
out that Housing Advisory board

113
00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:45,110
as a formalized response,
making sure that we're really

114
00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:49,250
clear within recommendations
where it's really important

115
00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:51,110
to make sure you're engaging
with those partners,

116
00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:53,350
getting feedback and
input from those partners,

117
00:06:53,350 --> 00:06:56,310
and having them as really
kind of a leadership partner,

118
00:06:56,310 --> 00:06:58,123
not just a reflection partner.

119
00:06:58,123 --> 00:06:59,290
So you'll see some
of those changes

120
00:06:59,290 --> 00:07:02,370
throughout a couple other
kind of technical adjustments

121
00:07:02,370 --> 00:07:04,770
and making sure that we're
characterizing their programs

122
00:07:04,770 --> 00:07:07,330
correctly, that
we're looking at,

123
00:07:07,330 --> 00:07:10,350
some of the incentives in a
way that makes sense as well.

124
00:07:10,350 --> 00:07:12,810
So a little bit of
feedback from them

125
00:07:12,810 --> 00:07:15,650
that emphasizes that
partnership role.

126
00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:19,610
And then two other things I
want to touch on for in terms

127
00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:24,150
of the edits, one is real minor
update for flow, but you'll see,

128
00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:28,050
we kind of moved the progress
update from your last strategy

129
00:07:28,050 --> 00:07:30,810
just into an appendix to
help the actual housing

130
00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,810
action plan read a
little more clearly

131
00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:34,870
focused on current priorities.

132
00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:36,350
So you'll see that
big section moved.

133
00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:37,030
We didn't lose it.

134
00:07:37,030 --> 00:07:38,850
We just moved it to an appendix.

135
00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:45,450
And then finally, the only real
content addition to this one

136
00:07:45,450 --> 00:07:49,630
is looking at the framework
for annual prioritization,

137
00:07:49,630 --> 00:07:53,510
I will maybe share my
screen briefly just

138
00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,790
to show you what that looks
like, which I know you can see

139
00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:59,190
it in yours as well, but
let me just pull that up

140
00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:03,030
real briefly because we
have this nice infographic

141
00:08:03,030 --> 00:08:04,690
that was designed by staff.

142
00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:07,370
Actually, I think Paul
was helpful on this front.

143
00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:10,990
That just gives you a sense of
really how to think about this

144
00:08:10,990 --> 00:08:11,970
in an annual version.

145
00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:14,390
So as I mentioned,
this is a six year

146
00:08:14,390 --> 00:08:18,270
housing strategy that you also
are submitting to the state.

147
00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:19,930
But really when you
think about priorities,

148
00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:21,830
and we talked about priorities
a good bit last time

149
00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:25,650
and really acknowledged those
things change year to year,

150
00:08:25,650 --> 00:08:27,750
depending on what grants are
available, what your staff

151
00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:30,050
capacity looks like
at any point in time,

152
00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:32,809
as well as what your funding
priorities are for that year.

153
00:08:32,809 --> 00:08:35,130
And so we want to be
really sensitive to that.

154
00:08:35,130 --> 00:08:36,950
Make sure we're not
giving you priorities that

155
00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:39,350
don't fit over a long term.

156
00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:40,770
And so we really
felt like, look,

157
00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:43,909
instead of really
prioritizing in a way that

158
00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:46,020
may become we are unrealistic.

159
00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:46,840
Your strategies.

160
00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,700
We just wanted to give you
some framework and thoughts

161
00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,460
around how do we think about
this annually when we're going

162
00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:56,000
through the housing budget, when
we're looking at general funds,

163
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,280
how do we think
about those things.

164
00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,100
And so you'll see that
as a new content item.

165
00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,860
It's not intended to
lock you into anything

166
00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:05,100
or say, oh, this is what
you have to do each year.

167
00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:06,280
It really is.

168
00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,460
Hey, these are the
things to think about

169
00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:10,500
as you're making those
priority decisions

170
00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:12,120
on a year to year basis.

171
00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,920
So I'll pull that up briefly.

172
00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,120
And then we can pivot into any
questions that you might have.

173
00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,940
So give me just a
second on the screen

174
00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:21,400
shares giving me a pinwheel.

175
00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,160
So let me see if we
can get it up here.

176
00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:29,060


177
00:09:29,060 --> 00:09:31,060
There it comes.

178
00:09:31,060 --> 00:09:33,000
So hopefully you'll
see this again.

179
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000
This is just the infographic.

180
00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:35,800
There's a lot on here.

181
00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,200
We're not going to
walk through it.

182
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,140
But I just wanted to acknowledge
there's a wide range of criteria

183
00:09:41,140 --> 00:09:43,380
that you all already
think about when

184
00:09:43,380 --> 00:09:46,280
you're thinking about
priorities for other components.

185
00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,480
This just highlights what those
are within the housing space,

186
00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,200
what questions you may want to
consider as you're doing that

187
00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,300
and how to apply it.

188
00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:57,680
Now, there are still
obviously within each priority

189
00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,660
that we talked about last
time or within each strategy.

190
00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:01,840
There's timelines,
there's actions.

191
00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,200
This just gives
you additional help

192
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,640
as you're thinking
about how do we allocate

193
00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,940
funds or not allocate funds.

194
00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:10,040
And what are we really focusing
on with the staff capacity

195
00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,240
that you have.

196
00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,780
So that's all I
have for the update,

197
00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:16,200
but I'm happy to answer
questions on any of the redlines

198
00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,440
specifically or just in general.

199
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,120
Next steps are, as
you all probably

200
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,540
it is currently available
for public comment,

201
00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:25,440
so we are still
taking public comments

202
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,320
as they come in on the
draft housing action plan.

203
00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,420
Once at the end of that
public comment period,

204
00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:36,960
there will also be a public
hearing and then approval by you

205
00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,700
guys and submission to dola.

206
00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:42,270
In the meantime, dola is giving
a preliminary kind of courtesy

207
00:10:42,270 --> 00:10:45,990
review to make sure everything's
looking like the T's are crossed

208
00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:47,570
and I's are dotted and
that sort of thing.

209
00:10:47,570 --> 00:10:49,870
So with that, I'll open it
back up for any questions

210
00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:53,537
or kick back to I
don't know Paul,

211
00:10:53,537 --> 00:10:54,670
if you want to if
you had anything

212
00:10:54,670 --> 00:10:56,010
to add that I may have missed.

213
00:10:56,010 --> 00:10:58,990
I know you've worked really
closely on this as well.

214
00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:00,010
Thank you so much for that.

215
00:11:00,010 --> 00:11:02,290
Molly, did you have
something else.

216
00:11:02,290 --> 00:11:04,030
City manager.

217
00:11:04,030 --> 00:11:05,850
I think we don't
have much to add.

218
00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:10,950
I did just want to note that
the point at which extending

219
00:11:10,950 --> 00:11:14,910
the time for looking at other
types of financial models

220
00:11:14,910 --> 00:11:18,150
is not in reference only to.

221
00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:20,130
I know we had a robust
discussion last time,

222
00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:23,250
but there's many different
ways of finding funding.

223
00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:26,550
And it doesn't just
it's not solely focused

224
00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:29,450
on any kind of tax or increase.

225
00:11:29,450 --> 00:11:33,630
It's looking at currently when
we've added funding outside

226
00:11:33,630 --> 00:11:36,590
of grants or other
programs, it's been

227
00:11:36,590 --> 00:11:39,450
a general fund contribution.

228
00:11:39,450 --> 00:11:41,210
And knowing that
we can't sustain

229
00:11:41,210 --> 00:11:46,730
general fund contributions
on an annual basis.

230
00:11:46,730 --> 00:11:50,110
This is an opportunity to
extend the period of time.

231
00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:52,530
So not one to two years,
but the period of time

232
00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:55,370
where we are seeking all
the different creative.

233
00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:58,170
Some of those funding sources
may not even be available now

234
00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:01,050
to go after, but working
with our partners in a way

235
00:12:01,050 --> 00:12:04,890
that we're able to seek out
other types of opportunities

236
00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:08,350
for funding affordable
housing in the community,

237
00:12:08,350 --> 00:12:11,030
whether that's through the
city or through our partners,

238
00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:15,330
but making sure that we have
that ability without locking it

239
00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:17,610
into one way.

240
00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:20,270
Council Kennedy Yeah, and
actually, Molly and Mike,

241
00:12:20,270 --> 00:12:23,290
I really appreciate the fact
that literally what each of you

242
00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:25,250
said were kind of my
first two questions

243
00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:28,150
that I'd been working
on this topic.

244
00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:31,330
So, Molly, thank you for that.

245
00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:33,930
Talking about that
annual look at funding

246
00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:37,610
and that it's not
locking us into anything

247
00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:41,460
and obviously we can't commit
future councils to action.

248
00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:43,560
Year by year that.

249
00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,080
But it's just where we take
the doubt out of the way

250
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,760
that it's written that, well,
this council passed this

251
00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,440
and it's a mandate for them
to the next council to take

252
00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,160
this action to fund this thing.

253
00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,680
I think that we just have
to be careful in how we

254
00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,280
word that which I think
your first comment certainly

255
00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,060
addressed that.

256
00:13:01,060 --> 00:13:03,820
So thank you for
that clarification.

257
00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:09,080
And then Mike, that next point
that explore dedicated revenue

258
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,740
was a concern because that can
certainly come across as hey,

259
00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:17,360
let's pass a tax or a fee that
is also potentially a tax.

260
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:23,480
So that was something I
appreciate just that the options

261
00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,000
and again, since we're
not requiring anything

262
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,080
of a future council, but
these are basically these

263
00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,060
are guidelines right.

264
00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:32,820
So we're not saying that,
hey, we are going to do this.

265
00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,340
We are this isn't council
giving direction to staff.

266
00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:38,720
And I just want to make sure
I'm understanding that clearly.

267
00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,720
I see Molly, I see you
adding your nodding.

268
00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,880
Your head is am, I am, I am, I
tracking on that with that way.

269
00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,740
I'm saying that on number two
that dedicated funding, revenue

270
00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:49,400
exploring that is basically
just a matter of saying, hey,

271
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,740
let's keep our eyes
open for opportunities

272
00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:54,860
to bring in additional
funding sources.

273
00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:58,260
Yes, that is I mean, that
word explore at the beginning

274
00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:00,260
is very intentional.

275
00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:05,140
We are not suggesting a specific
action other than keep your eyes

276
00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:08,940
open to the extent that
it becomes a council

277
00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:11,480
priority to say, hey, we want to
understand what our options are.

278
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,360
Then you direct.

279
00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,320
At that time, you would direct
staff to explore that and say,

280
00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,320
hey, what are those options.

281
00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,020
What do those look like.

282
00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:18,520
All of.

283
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,600
There's lots of pre-work
before anything jumps to oh,

284
00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,160
do a ballot initiative for tax.

285
00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,220
There's lots of other
things as Mike mentioned

286
00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:32,420
and that is really intended to
be in there so that if you want

287
00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:34,040
to prioritize that
in the future,

288
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,920
you have some language
and some structure

289
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,780
so that you're not reinventing
the wheel from ground 0.

290
00:14:38,780 --> 00:14:41,520
We're really trying to get
you off on the right foot

291
00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,860
if and when you're
ready to look at that,

292
00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:46,040
and we don't expect you to
even start looking at that

293
00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,420
within the next several years.

294
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,560
That's why that one
specifically is on that 4 to six

295
00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,720
year timeline, because that's
far enough out, but still

296
00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,800
within the planning period.

297
00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,080
Great and then just one last
thing, that regulatory cost

298
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,200
test.

299
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,920
I really like that
idea to where we're

300
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,880
looking at cost
impacts on housing

301
00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,940
production and affordability
before adoption.

302
00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:11,140
And we're looking at specific
cost drivers around housing.

303
00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:13,500
Is there a way that we
can strengthen that.

304
00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,200
Is there something
else we can do

305
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,720
to make sure that
this is something

306
00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,260
that is a policy consideration.

307
00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:22,500
I know it's hard to say.

308
00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:24,960
We're going to put
anything going forward

309
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,220
on any future council decision.

310
00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:29,160
But as these things
go, I think this

311
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240
is it's just so important
that we consider

312
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,590
impacts on the cost of housing.

313
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:38,710
Yep and I think to
be honest, that one's

314
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:41,330
really hard to get to a
middle ground of detail on,

315
00:15:41,330 --> 00:15:42,050
if that makes sense.

316
00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:44,130
So you say, hey, you need
to be thinking about this.

317
00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:46,850
Like understand costs
of regulatory impact,

318
00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:48,010
understand the benefit.

319
00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:50,870
And then you've got to
weigh those as trade offs.

320
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:53,370
And then beyond that
level of detail,

321
00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:56,810
it's really, really hard without
something specific to say,

322
00:15:56,810 --> 00:15:59,210
this is what you weigh or
this is how you calculate it.

323
00:15:59,210 --> 00:16:02,030
It really kind of jumps
from the conceptual you

324
00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:03,990
have to really be looking
at a specific thing

325
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:05,090
to understand how that is.

326
00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:08,530
So I mean, I appreciate your
request to strengthen it.

327
00:16:08,530 --> 00:16:11,790
I don't know that we can give
it a lot more meat on the bones

328
00:16:11,790 --> 00:16:13,870
just because it
gets real nuanced

329
00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:15,450
real fast, if that makes sense.

330
00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:18,350
Depending on what
that component is.

331
00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:20,257
I'm certainly the
extent to which

332
00:16:20,257 --> 00:16:22,290
you have additional thoughts on
that and want to share those.

333
00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:24,650
I'm open to certainly
open to hearing those.

334
00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,710
I just know that from the
economist perspective,

335
00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:30,510
I jump to OK, how are we doing
this and how are we doing that

336
00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:31,750
and what are the details.

337
00:16:31,750 --> 00:16:33,930
So it gets pretty
tricky pretty quick.

338
00:16:33,930 --> 00:16:38,810
So it councils comfortable with
the conceptual understanding

339
00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:41,210
of hey let's make
sure we're evaluating

340
00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:43,570
costs and benefits of
policy considerations

341
00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:44,630
through this lens.

342
00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:46,250
That was our intent.

343
00:16:46,250 --> 00:16:49,050
But I'm certainly open to
other thoughts on that.

344
00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,970
So what comes to
mind specifically

345
00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:55,410
in this is a conversation we had
in this room a couple of years

346
00:16:55,410 --> 00:16:57,210
ago about
undergrounding utilities

347
00:16:57,210 --> 00:16:59,190
and say, well, yeah, sure.

348
00:16:59,190 --> 00:16:59,830
It's pretty.

349
00:16:59,830 --> 00:17:00,750
Yeah it looks great.

350
00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:02,110
It honestly does it.

351
00:17:02,110 --> 00:17:04,670
Wouldn't it be great if all
utilities just were underground.

352
00:17:04,670 --> 00:17:07,750
However, there's significant
costs associated with that.

353
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:09,550
Who's like what is that cost.

354
00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:12,150
So if staff is going to
bring us that say staff,

355
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:15,190
we want you to also
bring cost associated.

356
00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:18,190
If you have an idea such
as underground utilities.

357
00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:21,490
Just as an example, we
need to say more than hey

358
00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:22,150
that looks great.

359
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:23,683
Wouldn't that be great
for our whole community

360
00:17:23,683 --> 00:17:25,270
to have more
underground utilities.

361
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:27,329
But to say what are
the actual costs

362
00:17:27,329 --> 00:17:29,710
that are impacting housing.

363
00:17:29,710 --> 00:17:31,580
I guess that would
be the example.

364
00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:34,480
But the crux of it
would be if we're

365
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,900
going to take into consideration
something like that,

366
00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:38,260
we would need to look at costs.

367
00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:41,720


368
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,420
I guess my only
reaction to that is,

369
00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:46,240
wouldn't that be the
policy discussion

370
00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,780
of that council at that time.

371
00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:51,780
So it really I think
presumably come up.

372
00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:54,560
But it really needs to be
since we're not binding

373
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,840
a future council, it needs to be
that council's policy discussion

374
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,400
and what weight they
put on that, because we

375
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,500
can't force that on them.

376
00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:04,760
We can put it as kind
of our general priority

377
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,600
as it's written,
but we can't force

378
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,000
a future council to require
staff to do anything.

379
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,060
And of course, we can't force a
future council to do anything.

380
00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:15,100
That's, that's a given.

381
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:18,060
But what I'm saying is that
when staff brings us something,

382
00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:20,820
brings us, for instance,
undergrounding utilities,

383
00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:24,340
that they may bring a
anticipated cost per unit

384
00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:25,140
for something like that.

385
00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:29,180
And I know every utility.

386
00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:31,260
Utility theory
that's on the area

387
00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:33,880
depends upon what an easement
might cost, things like that,

388
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,080
but just that it's a
consideration on staff side,

389
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,780
not necessarily from the
council's perspective.

390
00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:44,620
Any other comments or
questions from council.

391
00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:48,140
Sure council member.

392
00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:51,540
Molly I work on some
of the homeless stuff

393
00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:58,340
and there were several
mentions of needing and working

394
00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:02,180
on emergency and transitional
housing, which when we work

395
00:19:02,180 --> 00:19:05,020
with the many, many
providers in town,

396
00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:08,060
is the number one need
because they can get people

397
00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:14,340
in wraparound services and they
can work with their providers

398
00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:15,780
and all that stuff,
but they can't

399
00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:19,900
get them from a tent to a
transitional housing phase.

400
00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:23,240
And we've talked a lot about
what our role is on it,

401
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,090
but it wasn't really clear
to me which direction

402
00:19:28,090 --> 00:19:30,850
we were going from this report.

403
00:19:30,850 --> 00:19:34,310
As far as our concerns
about transitional housing,

404
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:39,570
there was some mention about
deferring stuff to the County,

405
00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:41,530
but I've never heard
that the County was

406
00:19:41,530 --> 00:19:43,850
excited about working on that.

407
00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:49,370
And there was some mention
about working with MCC on that,

408
00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:51,730
but I've been in their
meetings for years

409
00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:55,910
and they really haven't come up
with any solutions or anything.

410
00:19:55,910 --> 00:20:01,050
So in your opinion,
where does that leave us.

411
00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:02,850
Great question.

412
00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:06,810
And I think you're astute to
acknowledge we're not overly

413
00:20:06,810 --> 00:20:11,410
directive in this document
about how to address that

414
00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:13,190
and exactly where
those priorities are.

415
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:16,050
Priorities are I would say
the housing action plan is

416
00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:22,330
intentionally deferential
to the community

417
00:20:22,330 --> 00:20:25,050
wide on how strategy
and implementation plan.

418
00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:30,910
So because that plan is
currently part of your approach

419
00:20:30,910 --> 00:20:34,110
to homelessness as a region,
we wanted to be deferential

420
00:20:34,110 --> 00:20:36,190
to that, particularly
knowing that plan

421
00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:39,950
could get updated during the
lifespan of this six year plan.

422
00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:41,990
And so where we
have left, it really

423
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:46,230
is under strategy number 5,
which is to stabilize households

424
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:48,430
through different housing
models and homeless response

425
00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:51,570
and prevention systems
within that strategy.

426
00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:54,630
We're saying continue to
support implementation

427
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:58,190
of that unhoused strategy
and implementation plan

428
00:20:58,190 --> 00:21:03,430
because that is really the
guidance around exactly

429
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:06,870
how to look at that
component, that segment

430
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:08,090
of the housing market.

431
00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:12,630
We did different than in
previous strategies for the city

432
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:14,090
that that's kind of
been a missing piece.

433
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:15,890
We said, hey, here's
your housing strategy.

434
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:18,350
Don't forget you have a
homeless strategy over here.

435
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:21,150
This time we really try to tie
those together a little bit more

436
00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:24,950
by intentionally calling out
that strategy five of hey,

437
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:26,150
you've got a whole strategy.

438
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:28,230
Make sure you're
integrating that.

439
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:30,930
That is part of your
entire housing spectrum.

440
00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:36,290
And so I would say to
answer that more concisely,

441
00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:38,610
we are deferential
to your existing plan

442
00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:40,490
with an acknowledgment
that existing

443
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:43,250
plan could get
updated and revised

444
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:44,790
during this six year plan.

445
00:21:44,790 --> 00:21:48,690


446
00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:51,717
Any other questions or
comments from council.

447
00:21:51,717 --> 00:21:53,050
Councilman Ballard,
do you have anything

448
00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,730
you would like to add to this.

449
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:58,290
No, I think most of
my talking points

450
00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:59,270
have already been discussed.

451
00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:01,130
Thank you.

452
00:22:01,130 --> 00:22:02,910
Great Well, thank
you so much, Molly.

453
00:22:02,910 --> 00:22:04,750
I really appreciate you on this.

454
00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:07,450
I think you did a fantastic
job at listening to council

455
00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:10,370
and our individual meetings as
well as in our group sessions,

456
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:13,370
and really implementing
that into the plan.

457
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:16,290
Before we go, city manager
Bennett, do you have anything

458
00:22:16,290 --> 00:22:17,630
else you'd like to say on this.

459
00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:19,130
Yeah, I definitely want to echo.

460
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,190
Thank you Molly.

461
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:23,120
And she's been incredibly
helpful through this process

462
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,260
and the engagement and
interviews that she did,

463
00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:28,760
and putting it into action
and working with our team

464
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,180
has it's been great.

465
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:33,760
So I did want to just
verify with the council

466
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,880
with these changes
that we presented

467
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,680
tonight, questions you asked.

468
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440
We make these, we
accept these changes

469
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,260
or as in the clean
version, are you ready.

470
00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:44,500
Make sure you're ready for us.

471
00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:47,440
So we'd be bringing
this for formal adoption

472
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,560
in the near future.

473
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,980
We have to as Molly mentioned,
make sure all is good with it.

474
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:54,780
They're finishing that review.

475
00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:56,960
And then we would bring
that with a public hearing

476
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,920
and recommendation for
adoption to council.

477
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,240
Great how does the process work.

478
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,540
We have to it's a requirement.

479
00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:08,900
So we have to submit it to them.

480
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:10,740
So they have it to review.

481
00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:12,660
And I don't know if there's
anything to add to that.

482
00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:15,760
They'll get back to us and
make sure that it meets.

483
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,840
They don't get into how of what
we're necessarily trying to do,

484
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,860
but they want to make sure that
we've met the criteria that's

485
00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:27,260
required within an action plan.

486
00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:29,540
I'll just echo that they do a
courtesy review so that they

487
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:30,940
give us a little bit
of feedback, at least

488
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,760
on ones we've done
prior to this one.

489
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,160
They've given us, hey, can you
make sure you clarify this,

490
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,260
or we want to make sure you're
doing this in the couple

491
00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:40,760
that they've reviewed
of ours already,

492
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,280
they've been really,
really minor,

493
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,660
just tweaked adjustments,
that kind of thing.

494
00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:50,500
In preparation for that
can see that in Appendix

495
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,580
A of your housing action plan.

496
00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:57,800
We outline exactly what
the state is looking for.

497
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,060
And then we tell them
what pages to look at

498
00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:02,320
to make sure that we've
answered that question.

499
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,940
So we are trying to tee you up
to make this as easy as possible

500
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:06,860
for dola to review.

501
00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:09,040
And so it's pretty
straightforward.

502
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,940
And it's relatively informal
and that they're really free

503
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:16,540
communicators or have been so
far with housing action plans

504
00:24:16,540 --> 00:24:19,370
to tell us to make sure
we're hitting criteria

505
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:23,830
or if there's anywhere where we
would have that conversation,

506
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,890
but we haven't had any issues
with other plans so far.

507
00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:32,450
So from our perspective, yours
is certainly looks like it's

508
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:33,470
likely to be compliant.

509
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:36,290
Then the next step is just to
actually submit it to the state.

510
00:24:36,290 --> 00:24:39,450
Once we get that feedback from
them, once you all approve it,

511
00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:40,310
we would submit it.

512
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:42,370
They have it on File
and then it just

513
00:24:42,370 --> 00:24:46,050
becomes part of that
requirement makes

514
00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:47,690
you more eligible
for dollar grants

515
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:50,290
and all those sorts of things.

516
00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:51,930
Great Thank you so much.

517
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:54,370
Looking around the room, are
we comfortable with moving

518
00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:56,570
this to the next phase.

519
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:58,710
Great yeah, I'm seeing
lots of nods everywhere.

520
00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:00,430
So thank you so much Molly.

521
00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:03,177
I really appreciate all
your effort time on this.

522
00:25:03,177 --> 00:25:04,110
Thank you all for your time.

523
00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:04,830
Appreciate it.

524
00:25:04,830 --> 00:25:09,690
Bye So our next item
on tonight's agenda

525
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:12,690
is budget process
and focus overview.

526
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:15,790
And I believe we'll be
turning that over to you write

527
00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:17,290
have an introduction on that.

528
00:25:17,290 --> 00:25:18,370
I do, yeah.

529
00:25:18,370 --> 00:25:18,970
Thank you.

530
00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:21,910


531
00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:24,610
Thanks for the time
tonight on this subject.

532
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:28,970
This is something that we
obviously see a lot of support.

533
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:31,150
We have a big team
that works on budget

534
00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:32,850
throughout our organization.

535
00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:35,830
And I appreciate the work of
all of our department directors

536
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:38,630
and their teams and budget team.

537
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:41,830
It's a lot of expertise and
a lot of great perspectives

538
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:43,070
to consider.

539
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:47,110
As a recap for the
council and also

540
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:49,550
for information
for the public when

541
00:25:49,550 --> 00:25:52,310
we go through our
annual budget process

542
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:57,310
before finally, the final act of
adopting a budget before the end

543
00:25:57,310 --> 00:25:59,470
of the year for
the following year,

544
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,370
there's a lot of work
that goes into that.

545
00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:03,590
And typically that's
on average about eight

546
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:07,930
months of work the year before
that, next that, next year.

547
00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:11,150
And so what we have
been doing internally

548
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:15,140
is we just completed what we
call our line item reviews.

549
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:18,560
That's when we sit down with
our extended budget team,

550
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,620
with each department
individually,

551
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:23,480
and we comb through
thousands of line items.

552
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,520
So we are in essence, looking
at no matter what the amount.

553
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,680
So if it's small
amounts, large amounts,

554
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,500
we're looking at trends,
what we spend in those,

555
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,520
if we need to spend in
those line items we look at,

556
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,880
we come through our
contracts with for example,

557
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,900
it contracts where you have
softwares or different things

558
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,620
that we use for
different services.

559
00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:50,640
Make sure that it's
still the most optimal.

560
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,500
We're finding those that we
actually work with our IT

561
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,980
department that they're
awesome and they're

562
00:26:56,980 --> 00:27:00,120
coming up with sometimes
we can do that in-house.

563
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,620
We can create a
dashboard for that

564
00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,400
or create a program for that.

565
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,940
Or yes, we need that
outside proprietary software

566
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:10,360
to accomplish that.

567
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,060
So we go through those
kinds of reviews.

568
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:14,920
We go through one
time requests, we go

569
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,660
through our personnel requests.

570
00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:19,260
So it's very in depth.

571
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:23,080


572
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,560
Excuse me.

573
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Prior to that, the
first step we did

574
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,340
is we had to Director to
Director presentations,

575
00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:33,040
and we really focused
on high level.

576
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,160
What are the operational
pressures that each service

577
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,760
area is facing.

578
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,900
What are the
headwinds tailwinds.

579
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,820
This was a new step that
we added into our process,

580
00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:45,120
and it was incredibly
beneficial to take

581
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,440
the time over multiple weeks
for departments to take

582
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
a significant amount of time
to walk through a presentation

583
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,140
that they had put together
after working with their teams,

584
00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:55,980
and really explain where
those pinch points are,

585
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,120
where the opportunities are,
where some of the challenges

586
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:02,660
are, and that helped shape,
then going into departments,

587
00:28:02,660 --> 00:28:07,080
submitting their recommended
budgets to our budget team,

588
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,200
myself.

589
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,300
And then we did those
line item reviews.

590
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:16,140
So the next steps for us is some
really heavy lifting and work

591
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,660
where we try to get to
that balance recommendation

592
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:23,560
that we bring to the
city council in October.

593
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,700
So we will have our October
workshops where we devote

594
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,760
to presenting our
recommended budget,

595
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,320
having discussion
with the council,

596
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,980
we have, we have room
for a further discussion

597
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,060
on the first
workshop in November,

598
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:38,460
and then bringing through
the formal adoption

599
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:40,740
process of first reading
and second reading

600
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:42,260
starting in November.

601
00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:45,740
And so that's the overview
of the full piece.

602
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:48,480
We'll touch on that a bit
as we go through this.

603
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Today our CFO, our
Chief Financial Officer,

604
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,340
Jay Valentine, and
I wanted to present,

605
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,780
we've referred in
recent meetings

606
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:04,580
and fairly recently multiple
times to a structural deficit

607
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:09,330
that we are facing and different
than a cyclical deficit

608
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:11,450
where something might
just be down for a moment

609
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:16,850
and we have to bridge a gap and
then we're back ready to go.

610
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:21,330
We continue to run into
being short on revenues

611
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:24,670
for the expenses that
we have to deliver,

612
00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:27,250
the services that we are
committed to provide.

613
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:31,410
And we have I want
to be clear, this

614
00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:34,330
is in no way trying to
point backwards at decisions

615
00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:35,430
or anything like that.

616
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:38,450
We have the luxury of hindsight
and we have the luxury

617
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:41,730
of trends, and we're using
those to look forward

618
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:47,890
at how do we fix this structural
deficit tonight is we're not

619
00:29:47,890 --> 00:29:51,170
seeking any discussion on
trying to find solutions

620
00:29:51,170 --> 00:29:52,110
or anything like that.

621
00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:53,910
We're heavily involved
in that internally.

622
00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:55,990
And we'll bring those
recommendations in October,

623
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:57,450
as I mentioned earlier.

624
00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,650
But we want to just be
very transparent and public

625
00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:06,010
about what the structural what
the structural deficit is,

626
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:10,490
why we are there and how we have
to address it and addressing it.

627
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:14,150
It's more than just
what we do in 2027.

628
00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:16,050
You'll see some trends
as we walk through,

629
00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:18,710
and I'll chime in as
Jay is presenting this

630
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:20,130
and we're going to tag team it.

631
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:22,790
But he'll do the bulk
of the presenting

632
00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:26,030
and we'll point out
some key factors.

633
00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:28,390
The only portion of
a solution that we'll

634
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:32,390
be talking about tonight is the
potential, the potential use

635
00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:36,110
of fund balance for some
portion of this deficit

636
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:37,410
that we're talking about.

637
00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:40,470
So we'll get more
in detail there.

638
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:41,950
And then we have
a couple other we

639
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:45,110
have a presentation after
this on financial policies

640
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:46,690
and a new financial report.

641
00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:49,390
But first we're going to walk
through this structural deficit

642
00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:53,710
and the painting, the picture
of what we are working through

643
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:56,630
before we get back
to you all in October

644
00:30:56,630 --> 00:31:00,110
with recommended budgets.

645
00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:09,180
Excellent I think with
that, we'll be turning it

646
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:11,040
over to our CFO, Jay Valentine.

647
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,660


648
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:15,400
Thank you all.

649
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:22,540


650
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:25,820
So as Mike laid the
groundwork, I just

651
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:29,100
want to go through the
challenge and we're going to be

652
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,660
very transparent about this.

653
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:33,920
And the slides will
speak for themselves,

654
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,880
but I'll go through them.

655
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:42,220
The currently the 2027
balancing gap is $6 million.

656
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:45,900
So if we didn't add any
new staff or any of the one

657
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,940
time requests this status quo.

658
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:56,260
We need to track the
$6 million deficit.

659
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:58,780
When we add to that,
there are $7 million

660
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:04,160
of additional one time
requests and 7.9 9 million

661
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,960
of new positions
are salary requests.

662
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,460
5.5 million of that
is public safety,

663
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:15,120
and the rest is
for the remaining

664
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320
pieces of the government.

665
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,340
As you'll see in
some other slides.

666
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:24,400
This is our sixth straight
year of declining.

667
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,640
We had $11.3 million
surplus in 2021.

668
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,080
And it's declined from there
to where we've faced a deficit

669
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,880
these prior two years.

670
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:46,640
So as Mike mentioned, when
the expenses are outpacing

671
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,540
our ongoing expenses are
outpacing our revenues,

672
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:51,880
that creates that
structural gap.

673
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,960
This isn't a one year
sales tax is lagging.

674
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,540
So we're having a
tough budget year,

675
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:59,520
but we expect it to rebound.

676
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,630
That would be a cyclical
type of deficit.

677
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,850
Again, this is structural
that we look back.

678
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:09,470
As Mike said, hindsight is 2020.

679
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:13,510
The things we have
done that compound

680
00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:15,230
in terms of some
of the encumbrances

681
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,210
that we've taken on.

682
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:20,110


683
00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:22,250
The $6 million
gap, as you'll see,

684
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:28,630
is largely it is
salary and benefits.

685
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:31,830
One other thing, and we'll talk
about all this here a little

686
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:32,570
more in depth.

687
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:40,110
But the first responder fund,
where we have the 0.05% 7.5%

688
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:43,350
sales tax.

689
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:45,990
That's going to need a subsidy
now from the general fund

690
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:48,710
that growth in public safety.

691
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:54,430
The tax is not enough to cover
the expansion of those funds.

692
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:56,430
So this will be
the issue will be

693
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:59,990
the first year that the 27
that will be subsidizing

694
00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:03,310
hear that going forward.

695
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:06,490


696
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:08,889
I'm just pointing out
you can probably see that

697
00:34:08,889 --> 00:34:12,929
from the top bullet, but
that this specific piece

698
00:34:12,929 --> 00:34:19,469
of our expenses outpacing
revenues is only 23% since 2021.

699
00:34:19,469 --> 00:34:23,210
So that compounding effect
is pretty significant

700
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:24,350
as we get to this point.

701
00:34:24,350 --> 00:34:28,170
So while revenues have
continued to grow,

702
00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:34,130
they've just grown 23%
less than expenses.

703
00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:40,449
This slide here is I did an
online seminar by Cliff Clifton

704
00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:42,850
Larson, a national
accounting firm,

705
00:34:42,850 --> 00:34:45,090
and they did a state and
local government, the state

706
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:47,210
of the industry presentation.

707
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:49,110
And this slide actually
came from them,

708
00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:51,730
where it talks about
the reality that's

709
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:55,530
happening across the nation.

710
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:57,770
Focusing on the city's
general fund growth

711
00:34:57,770 --> 00:35:04,150
is down from 7.5 fiscal year
24 to less than 1% growth.

712
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:11,630
Currently, about 45% of CFOs
are confident meeting 26 needs.

713
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:14,230
That means 55% aren't.

714
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:18,990
Obviously, 60% of general
fund goes to public safety.

715
00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:22,950
And really the ARPA
ARPA cliff is here.

716
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:28,110
The all that money that was
sloshing around in the economy

717
00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:29,250
has dried up.

718
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:31,030
And along with that
went a lot of grants

719
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:35,310
that were used to either create
programs or prop up programs

720
00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:38,510
or used for very
specific purposes.

721
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:43,630
So we mirror this
national squeeze

722
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:46,870
of slower revenue, flat
spending and the end

723
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:48,410
of the federal relief.

724
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:54,790


725
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:57,220
As I mentioned, the recurring
operating margin has

726
00:35:57,220 --> 00:35:59,280
declined every year since 2021.

727
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,020
And this is graphically
how that's depicted.

728
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:06,140
As you can see,
starting in 2025,

729
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:12,140
we went into the fund balance
at 600,003 million last year.

730
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:16,080
And now without doing anything
so far we're down to six.

731
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,760
I want to point out that the
600,000 and the three million,

732
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:27,540
that was a lot of council
directed uses of fund balance.

733
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:37,220
So we did a lot of things to
get that deficit, not deficit

734
00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:39,540
to have a flat spending at 0.

735
00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:41,080
And then we added the council.

736
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,060
But to do that stuff, there's
a lot of one time levers

737
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:48,140
that have been used
to balance the budgets

738
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:49,740
over the last few years.

739
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:52,840
And those one time
levers, I'll just say it.

740
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680
It shields you from
reality, for lack

741
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,620
of a better word
for that one year,

742
00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:00,000
but it hits you the next year.

743
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,180
So that's also.

744
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,000


745
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Compounded over this time.

746
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,600
And one thing that
we want to point out

747
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,700
is the compounding nature
began heavily in 2021.

748
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:19,400
So while this is a trend,
what's compounded each year

749
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,120
are from things
that have occurred

750
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,140
or ways we balance the
budget or things we've added,

751
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:29,680
or new expenses and
the expenses outgrowing

752
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,040
the revenues along the way.

753
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,520
And now we are filling those
in a much more significant way

754
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,860
than we had in the past.

755
00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:45,000


756
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,400
This is another way
of showing where

757
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,200
our recurring
costs have outgrown

758
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,350
our unrestricted
recurring revenues.

759
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,190
It's just the same
way of showing

760
00:37:57,190 --> 00:38:01,570
a different thing that it's
a structural, not a cyclical.

761
00:38:01,570 --> 00:38:03,150
You can see it.

762
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:04,690
You could look
back and see that.

763
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:09,830
And like Mike said, we've
had the benefit of hindsight.

764
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:14,390
The one time items I spoke of
would further widen that gap.

765
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:19,650
And we not pulled those
certain one time levers again,

766
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:23,510
that gap would be widened.

767
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:28,550
And again, it's just a mix of
a mismatch between revenues

768
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:29,770
and expenditures.

769
00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:36,430


770
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,370
Just to talk some about
our revenue sources here,

771
00:38:39,370 --> 00:38:44,510
property tax has grown
unevenly since 2021.

772
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:46,710
But we also haven't
changed our property

773
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:49,890
tax structure in over 30 years.

774
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:55,370
It's been eight Mills for over,
like I said, over 30 years.

775
00:38:55,370 --> 00:39:01,170
Add to that the state assessment
rate cuts under House Bill 24B,

776
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:06,850
you can see in 2024 the
assessed value of properties

777
00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:09,850
was rising very quickly.

778
00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:17,650
And the state legislature
imposed these assessment

779
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:21,150
rate cuts starting in 2025.

780
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:28,450
And so you can see as the
result of that has hit us.

781
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:31,530
Had the race not been there,
we got our assessment,

782
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:34,890
our mid-year assessment, which
is an estimate from the County

783
00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:35,910
that didn't have that.

784
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:40,890
We faced about $800,000
hit to our funds.

785
00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:46,450
I'll also add on top of
that some other things out

786
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:51,320
of our control is the cannabis
tax that we receive 10% share

787
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,080
of the state tax collected.

788
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,480
That got pulled back
to 3.5% last year.

789
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,320
And this year as
of July, they took

790
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,460
the state took the rest of it.

791
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:06,800
So we received we don't
receive any property tax.

792
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,220
That's a 200 plus
$1,000 hit there.

793
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:13,740
I guess how to say that.

794
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:25,080
So fund balance.

795
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,560
The fund balance I've
charted back from 2016

796
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,320
from a low of 2017 to 20.4.

797
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:41,280
That's grown to a fund balance
of 48.5 million in 2025.

798
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,800
So while we're facing
a structural deficit,

799
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,760
we have found ways ace
to add to fund balance.

800
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,740


801
00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:59,080
So good work to add
to the fund balance.

802
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,420
But if it has come at
somewhat of a cost.

803
00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:06,380
Now that's funny to
have that picture.

804
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:12,340
The gross surplus a lot of it
came from one time sources.

805
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:16,640
I mentioned the
ARPA public safety.

806
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,340
We'll talk about a lot.

807
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:21,500
I know PD has had trouble.

808
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,060
We would budget for
positions, and they

809
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,660
were unable to fill
those positions

810
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:29,880
because it's hard to recruit
and retain police officers.

811
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,440
So when that money didn't get
spent on hiring police officers,

812
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,880
it drops to the fund balance.

813
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:45,140


814
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:51,540
I just want to point out the
2% sales and use tax is the.

815
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:56,120
About $56 million is what
we receive from the 2%

816
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,240
and that's what needs to fund
general government operations,

817
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,280
finance, HR,
community development,

818
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,000
transportation, engineering,
most of Parks and Recreation.

819
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:18,040
And now part of
that's is to fund.

820
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,320
PD so this doesn't count
the public safety tax.

821
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,500
So we do get some
help from that.

822
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:30,520
But 56 million to put that
perspective, when we're looking

823
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,700
at a $316 million total budget,
52 million sales tax, sales,

824
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:41,480
and use tax isn't
it's not a whole lot

825
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
to fund what we do from a
general fund perspective.

826
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,690
We do also include the
eight month property tax.

827
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:51,430
But as we've discussed now,
that is either leveling out

828
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:55,270
or declining from what it was.

829
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:58,010
The voter approved
taxes are restricted.

830
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:00,570
And I think that
goes without saying.

831
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,070
We can't utilize
those for anything

832
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:06,790
other than what those
are restricted for.

833
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:12,230
So the first responders,
expansion capital, community rec

834
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:17,550
center and certain
parks fees are not

835
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:21,150
available for
general operations.

836
00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:26,350
So we have predicting about
$4 million of tax growth.

837
00:43:26,350 --> 00:43:31,550
But by the time we add in
some of the deterioration

838
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:33,330
of the revenues that
I've spoke about,

839
00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:38,630
we're looking at about a 1.9
increase in our revenues.

840
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:42,110
So that's a 1.6%
which kind of falls

841
00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:46,930
in line with that kind of
national industry slide

842
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:49,530
that I showed you earlier.

843
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:52,050
Some other things
that complicate

844
00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:58,530
is the stalled development
at o'clock Rios.

845
00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:02,330
We're going to pay a debt
service of $1.3 million

846
00:44:02,330 --> 00:44:07,890
and 27, when the
debt service for that

847
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:12,930
was modeled to come
from the sales tax

848
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:17,650
and the property tax increment
that was generated by the growth

849
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:21,650
of businesses there at that.

850
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:24,010
And we've talked about
this as well, that we'll

851
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:28,690
find the rural fire
contract to get 3.3 million

852
00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:32,890
revenue, that the service
costs are at least $2 million

853
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:33,950
higher than that.

854
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:44,120


855
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Mentioned that labor and
benefits are driving the cost

856
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,960
of what we're seeing in 27.

857
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,200
In fact, the operating
we're actually seeing so far

858
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,400
a little bit of decline
in non-personnel operating

859
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,200
expenditures.

860
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,760
Compensation, as you can
see, is up 7.3 million.

861
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,800
This does include a
$1.3 million placeholder

862
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,160
for the compensation,
classification

863
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,320
and compensation study
that's being conducted

864
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,740
right now as we speak.

865
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:21,840


866
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Health insurance.

867
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,160
We're going to get a
lot more into that here

868
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,120
in the next couple of slides.

869
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,960
But right now, we're looking at
a major 50% type major increase

870
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:43,220
in health premiums for 2027.

871
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:47,980
I mentioned the fund transfer,
expanding staffing and stations.

872
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:51,500
A new $1.3 million first
responder fund transfer

873
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,620
is going to be made in 27.

874
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:56,520
I mentioned that
it's more like three,

875
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,160
but we're utilizing the
remainder 2.6 million.

876
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,740
I think of the remaining
fund balance in that fund.

877
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:07,500
The first responder fund,
so that an additional amount

878
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:10,320
is the deficit of that fund.

879
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,380


880
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:17,100
A lot of the drivers.

881
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:21,780
Station 6 and 8 community
rec center housing

882
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:24,240
and other added programs.

883
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,920
So just created
permanent obligations.

884
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:34,260


885
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:35,560
Compensation plan.

886
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,210


887
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:43,550
From the 2021 through to
2026 general government.

888
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,530
Our annualized rate of increase.

889
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:49,250
You can see there
what those have been.

890
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:55,530
These are all based on
step one of our pay plan.

891
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,210
There are people that come
in higher than step one.

892
00:46:59,210 --> 00:47:01,790
So that's why it's not equal.

893
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:07,410
Each step is 3% in our
general compensation plan.

894
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:09,330
So some are a little
bit more than that

895
00:47:09,330 --> 00:47:11,030
and some are less than that.

896
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:14,890
But it's for that reason.

897
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:21,130
I would add here that this isn't
because in previous budget years

898
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:26,570
there was an over budgeting
of salaries or benefits.

899
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:33,690
We are still not keeping up with
our market based comparisons

900
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:38,970
and with comparisons with other
cities and in some situations,

901
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:41,430
we don't just base
with other cities.

902
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,230
We may look at other
utilities in the area

903
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:48,250
for utilities positions and
different things like that.

904
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:51,790
And so while that can
be looked at as well,

905
00:47:51,790 --> 00:47:55,390
that's quite the
increase is over time.

906
00:47:55,390 --> 00:48:00,710
We're also chasing what has just
happened industry wide and not

907
00:48:00,710 --> 00:48:04,110
necessarily not just chasing it
but trying to so that we're not.

908
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:08,070
It's a significant cost as
people leave for higher pay

909
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:09,490
with the skill sets they have.

910
00:48:09,490 --> 00:48:13,070
And then we go through the
recruitment and all the expense

911
00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:15,990
of each recruitment
and the time we lose

912
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:20,710
and then the time for training,
all that compounds as well.

913
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:22,570
And so for instance,
as an example,

914
00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:24,850
just taking the police
department as an example,

915
00:48:24,850 --> 00:48:26,430
there were a number
of years where

916
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:31,530
it was very difficult to get
lateral hires recruitments.

917
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:35,890
We've finally gotten to what we
would call more of a sweet spot

918
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:40,110
and I would say a better
comparable in the market.

919
00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:42,070
But that is changing every year.

920
00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:47,290
So don't just get there
and then you've made it.

921
00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:51,330
If you don't keep up with
where that market is, which

922
00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:56,090
is increasing each year, you get
back right to the same situation

923
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:57,250
we were in.

924
00:48:57,250 --> 00:48:59,250
And that can take
that can be one year

925
00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:01,030
and you're back
into that situation.

926
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:04,210
And so that's not just for
police departments for many

927
00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:07,290
of our departments,
but just as an example

928
00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:10,750
where we actually have
seen once we get into that,

929
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:12,950
it's not paying the
most across the state.

930
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:18,050
It's not even it's being very
comparable considering where

931
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:21,490
our location, considering
our size, levels of services

932
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:24,570
and things like that,
where all of a sudden,

933
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:29,210
we are competitive enough to
bring lateral recruitments in.

934
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:32,280
And so that's why when Jay says
it's not always a step one,

935
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,280
whether no matter what
department it's in,

936
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,620
we're seeking a certain
amount of experience,

937
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:39,840
and you have a number of
those years of experience

938
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,480
in exactly that role.

939
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,320
You're not going to
start at that step one.

940
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,320
But if we are not
competitive in that market,

941
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,820
we struggle and we're not able
to make those recruitments.

942
00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:55,360
And we've seen
that recently as we

943
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,800
recruit for some of our
higher level positions,

944
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,320
where we've had to
where we've gotten

945
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,680
some incredible
feedback from finalists

946
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,600
that were very well qualified.

947
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,180
They were excited
about the area,

948
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:09,100
excited about the organization.

949
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:12,880
Everything seemed to look right
until they start calculating

950
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,880
the move, selling a home
wherever they may be

951
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
in the state or in the country.

952
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Purchasing a home here, all
those things that everybody's

953
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,120
running into.

954
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,720
And then with the salary
not being as competitive,

955
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,660
we've had to increase those.

956
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:29,980
And so with the Comp class
study that we're doing,

957
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:32,720
we don't anticipate it won't be.

958
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,880
Every position is
going up, but we do.

959
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,380
We anticipate that some of
those market adjustments

960
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:41,020
will show where we
might be lagging

961
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:44,940
in some of those positions.

962
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,340
As Mike discussed.

963
00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:53,420
We had to make market
adjustments and in PD and fire

964
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:57,820
in order to help recruit
and retain those.

965
00:50:57,820 --> 00:51:00,340
So as you can see
that the annualized

966
00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:05,260
increases are different
from the general government.

967
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:07,720
And I think we've
explained why that is.

968
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:14,860
And it's actually worked our
police chief and fire chief.

969
00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:17,440
So that's just for
comparison's sake.

970
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:26,020


971
00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:29,250
OK health care costs.

972
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:30,450
And I have.

973
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:32,670
I have Shelly
Carrasquilla behind me,

974
00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:38,770
and Brandon has finance director
and Matt Martinez, our budget

975
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:42,490
manager, who are all very
well versed in this problem

976
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:45,850
because they've been
working on it all year long.

977
00:51:45,850 --> 00:51:46,830
We do have a.

978
00:51:46,830 --> 00:51:49,770


979
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:54,850
Consultant Brown
and Brown, that what

980
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:58,290
helps us to navigate
this and help this

981
00:51:58,290 --> 00:52:01,810
to the self-funding model
from the previous fully

982
00:52:01,810 --> 00:52:03,330
insured model.

983
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:08,690
And we made that move
to self-funded when

984
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:13,850
our Cigna rates were I think.

985
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:18,210
What says 41% That was what
our renewal was going to be.

986
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:21,730
So we went to a
self-funding model.

987
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:27,110
And I think the
only thing that we

988
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:30,010
probably are not the only
thing that we didn't do.

989
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:35,710
We should have done is put
more seed in that fund more

990
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:37,590
to have a larger
fund balance, to be

991
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:42,790
able to ride the tide with the.

992
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:48,230
Sometimes fluctuation in high
claim costs to ride that wave.

993
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:49,610
But you can see the.

994
00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:52,150


995
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:53,730
Rising costs here.

996
00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:56,390


997
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:58,190
Now for 26.

998
00:52:58,190 --> 00:53:05,430
We need $1.2 million to restore
the insurance fund to 0.

999
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:11,710
That's 25% Our costs are
25% above what was projected

1000
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:17,710
for 2026 to where
it's $2,528 per

1001
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:23,110
employee per month,
compared to the $2,028

1002
00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:24,530
per employee per month.

1003
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:29,580


1004
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:32,740
That red dot, that red
line is what's needed

1005
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:35,020
to restore the fund to 0.

1006
00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:39,620
So one thing that we did
ask Brown and Brown to do

1007
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:43,780
was what would have happened
if we would have stayed

1008
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:46,380
in a fully insured model.

1009
00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:50,820
And so they went back
and made that decision.

1010
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:56,260
And we've self-funding
still saved us $5.8 million

1011
00:53:56,260 --> 00:53:58,060
over that time.

1012
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:05,980
So we have it was
the right choice.

1013
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:10,540
Health care is are the health
costs have been rising sharply,

1014
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:15,120
but we still save
that 85 $8 million.

1015
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,420
So one of the proposals
that we're seeking

1016
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:23,600
is to take that some of
that $5.8 million that got

1017
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,560
added to the fund balance
because of that decision

1018
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,960
to go to self-insured
and reinvest that

1019
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,060
back into that insurance fund.

1020
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:40,560


1021
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,420
A 50% reinvestment
of those funds.

1022
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:44,860
That's what that
graph is telling you,

1023
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:50,000
would give us a $1.94
million and a 75%

1024
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,080
reinvestment, 3.4 million,
and I'll let that slide.

1025
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,240
Am I missing anything there.

1026
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,400
That's a good summary.

1027
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,980
Jay, could you go to the
slide before real quick.

1028
00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:03,480
I just want to reiterate
a couple things here.

1029
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,300
When it comes to this.

1030
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:08,120
So just to make
sure everybody's on

1031
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,760
and anybody watching go
into self-funded means

1032
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,680
that when we may have a
contract with Cigna for example.

1033
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,300
So an employee goes
to a health provider,

1034
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:23,500
they provide their
insurance card,

1035
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:26,880
but Cigna is not
paying the claims.

1036
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,240
We pay those claims.

1037
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,000
And so when you make
that transition,

1038
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,180
you have to fund a fund
balance with enough

1039
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:38,260
to pay for those claims that may
come before all the fees you're

1040
00:55:38,260 --> 00:55:40,140
collecting each month,
where each employee is

1041
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:42,780
paying what their fee
is, where the city's

1042
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:44,340
paying another portion.

1043
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:51,660
And so when we did that shift
with the 2020 of hindsight,

1044
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:54,660
even at that time,
my understanding

1045
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:55,600
is Brown and Brown.

1046
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,780
And there were recommendations
that we fund that fund balance

1047
00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:01,380
more than we chose to do.

1048
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,720
So we went a little
more aggressive.

1049
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,020
And then those claims were more.

1050
00:56:06,020 --> 00:56:11,660
But during that time we
had savings throughout that

1051
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:13,420
went into fund balance.

1052
00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:16,620
So we're not saying we need
to take fund balance to make

1053
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:19,660
those annual one time expenses.

1054
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:21,650
Because it's two part.

1055
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:24,850
We didn't put enough
in to start with.

1056
00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:28,550
And have we done that we
would be at a better spot.

1057
00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:32,790
And then there's the portion
of increased costs and claims.

1058
00:56:32,790 --> 00:56:37,490
So we want to replenish that
fund so that we're in a better

1059
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:40,650
position for where that
fund where the health

1060
00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:42,290
insurance fund should be.

1061
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:45,370
And then of course,
there's then we

1062
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:47,650
have to address those
ongoing increases

1063
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:49,230
in claims as they were.

1064
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:52,550
But we didn't fund it
enough at the start.

1065
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:53,910
And we can clearly see that.

1066
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:57,510
We also can see, as
the slide before said,

1067
00:56:57,510 --> 00:57:05,190
is that we know that if
that we saved 5.8 million.

1068
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:08,650
So yes, expenses,
claims have gone up.

1069
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:11,750
But we also but we
also save 5.8 million.

1070
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:14,970
And if we stayed
fully insured, we also

1071
00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:18,250
know that some of the other
things that we've added,

1072
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:25,070
such as some fixed cost for
benefits like a health clinic

1073
00:57:25,070 --> 00:57:28,030
that every employer we spend.

1074
00:57:28,030 --> 00:57:34,390
I think it's 43% less on
each employee that visits.

1075
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:34,970
Is it.

1076
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:36,250
We saved $4,000.

1077
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:39,450
Sorry yeah, we save
4,000 per employee.

1078
00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:42,450
So we see these very
specific savings.

1079
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:46,790
When we use these fixed costs
versus making these full claims.

1080
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:52,150
And so we have the right model
and we have the right focus

1081
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:56,270
on where we can add
minor expenses to reduce

1082
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:59,750
much larger claim expenses.

1083
00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:04,130
But part of that takes some
investment in those fixed areas.

1084
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:09,950
But it also means rightsizing
this fund balance that

1085
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:13,830
was created during times
where we were also increasing

1086
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:15,370
our overall fund balance.

1087
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:18,540
So we don't see this as being
something we want to come back

1088
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:21,260
to year over year and say we
need to take more fund balance

1089
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:22,400
and put towards this.

1090
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:29,460
We're looking at it as a fixing
what added to getting us there

1091
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:33,780
outside of the piece
of increased claims

1092
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:37,900
so that we're in a much
better spot moving forward.

1093
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:41,260
Outside of seeking
out competitive pay

1094
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:45,700
are by far our
strongest component

1095
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:49,020
of retaining employees
as our health insurance

1096
00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:51,040
and benefits that
come along with that.

1097
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,900
So drastic changes
there could cause

1098
00:58:53,900 --> 00:59:00,940
even bigger swings than
minor than where the pay

1099
00:59:00,940 --> 00:59:03,000
moves as we move forward.

1100
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,840
So it's a pretty
significant component.

1101
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,740
We just want to reiterate
over and over that this is not

1102
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:11,340
to say we want to
use fund balance

1103
00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:14,620
for continuous ongoing
costs, but it's to say,

1104
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:17,600
hey, we increased our
fund balance during a time

1105
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,900
where we had in the
one year we started,

1106
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:25,600
we chose to save and try
and reduce by not putting

1107
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,140
enough in fund to start with.

1108
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:30,940
Which caught up to us
within those three years.

1109
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:36,800


1110
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,940
Yeah that's right.

1111
00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:40,160
I did it on my own.

1112
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,040
I just want to reiterate
to what you said

1113
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:47,920
about when we were fully insured
and we had the clinic operating.

1114
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,680
We didn't have access
to all the data.

1115
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,040
That was sickness on that data.

1116
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,660
Now we're self-insured.

1117
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:56,580
We own that data.

1118
00:59:56,580 --> 01:00:03,240
So we could very succinctly
tell somebody that utilizes

1119
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,940
the clinic compared to somebody
that doesn't utilize the clinic.

1120
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:08,820
And what a difference
that makes.

1121
01:00:08,820 --> 01:00:14,610
So we're obviously making
efforts regardless of budget.

1122
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:18,470
We're just start
getting these more

1123
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:21,850
people engaged in that
clinic and ways to do that.

1124
01:00:21,850 --> 01:00:26,990


1125
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:29,750
And I would say that it's
working because now we're

1126
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:33,190
running into the challenge of
it's hard to get into the clinic

1127
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:35,710
because we went from
people getting used to

1128
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:39,030
and starting to use it to now
heavily using it to where if we

1129
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:40,610
want to see more
of that savings,

1130
01:00:40,610 --> 01:00:42,430
we have to expand that
opportunity for more

1131
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:47,950
of our employees to be able to
get in and utilize that as well.

1132
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:51,230
So early in the presentation,
when Mike mentioned the director

1133
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:55,190
to Director presentations
and he talked about that

1134
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:58,270
the headwinds and the
operating pressures,

1135
01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:01,830
these six kind of stood out.

1136
01:01:01,830 --> 01:01:07,310
The workforce costs are
rising across every fund.

1137
01:01:07,310 --> 01:01:14,250
It's the largest driver
recruiting and retention.

1138
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:21,730
Turnover near 12% It's
102 to fill vacancies.

1139
01:01:21,730 --> 01:01:27,130
It's just harder and harder
to recruit growth ads

1140
01:01:27,130 --> 01:01:30,270
like we mentioned growth
ads, permanent obligations.

1141
01:01:30,270 --> 01:01:36,530
We talked about Lane
miles and 53 park acres,

1142
01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:40,210
with roads and medians and
those needed maintained.

1143
01:01:40,210 --> 01:01:42,410
15 subdivisions.

1144
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:49,730
Police calls are up 20% So
public safety commitments

1145
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:51,430
exceed dedicated revenues.

1146
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:53,610
I've mentioned that.

1147
01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:58,430
And then our aging assets and
rising technology costs fleet.

1148
01:01:58,430 --> 01:02:04,570
Our fleet average 14.2 years
versus 7 and 1/2 to eight

1149
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:07,130
year target on replacing that.

1150
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:11,430
And that's one of those
that we need to get

1151
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:14,910
back to when funding was.

1152
01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:16,130
Budgeting was tough.

1153
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:22,810
I think fleet was and facilities
was a good way to say, wow,

1154
01:02:22,810 --> 01:02:25,050
those cars will last
a little longer.

1155
01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:30,790
So we won't fund that
to a certain point.

1156
01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:34,550
And then also mandates at
work without the funding.

1157
01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:36,670
As you can see, there's
40 law enforcement

1158
01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:40,270
Bills, state housing laws.

1159
01:02:40,270 --> 01:02:42,590
Water rules, all of that.

1160
01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:46,190
We did also talk about
delivering efficiencies

1161
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:48,490
as one of the pillars.

1162
01:02:48,490 --> 01:02:55,950
And so it's great to see
those are already taken hold

1163
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:58,430
with almost every department.

1164
01:02:58,430 --> 01:03:02,750
It's just not enough right
now to close a $6 million

1165
01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:05,270
operating deficit.

1166
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:08,900
I just want to highlight that
there's been an heavy effort

1167
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:11,860
across the
organization, and we've

1168
01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:14,300
been thrilled with
the creativity

1169
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:18,900
and the recommendations
the departments have found,

1170
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,420
and finding savings
and efficiencies

1171
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:25,360
and taking things on our own
that we've been able to create,

1172
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,500
whether it's help from
it or efficiencies

1173
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:32,220
in reporting and finding
ways with sometimes

1174
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:36,060
with other software
or whatever it may be.

1175
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:40,460
I also want to reiterate that
there's been a number of years

1176
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:43,300
where each of the
departments have

1177
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:48,200
made small cuts to try and make
each of those years efforts.

1178
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,040
And so where services
maybe will reduce,

1179
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,540
there were two different time
frames where police services

1180
01:03:56,540 --> 01:03:59,500
were reduced to just
to keep up with calls

1181
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:06,000
and all that continues
to that to this point.

1182
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,320
It's not.

1183
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,800
When you look back at
this, it's not surprising

1184
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,880
that where we are right now, if
we take those one time requests

1185
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:20,400
and/or the personnel
requests and then just the

1186
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,640
carry over with
keeping everything

1187
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,120
flat that we're pushing,
18 million last year

1188
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,620
it was 14 million.

1189
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:29,920
And it was a little bit
less the year before.

1190
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,380
And it's because these
things have compounded.

1191
01:04:32,380 --> 01:04:35,860
There's been years where when
we purchase our vehicles,

1192
01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:38,280
we know that we have to pay
ourselves a certain amount

1193
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,240
every year so that when you
have to replace that vehicle,

1194
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,160
you have that in the fund.

1195
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,760
And that doesn't mean that we
replace exactly the same amount

1196
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,280
evenly divided every year
of all of our vehicles

1197
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,900
or all of our equipment.

1198
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,800
So those fund balances grow.

1199
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,000
And in the past,
those fund balances

1200
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,760
were the funds from
those were used

1201
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,120
to help balance
that year's budget

1202
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,540
and then never replenished.

1203
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:06,370
And so there's some of
those types of things where.

1204
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:09,310
And it's not to say
I'm not trying to say

1205
01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:10,410
that was a poor decision.

1206
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:13,390
It's when yours are
tight and trying to make

1207
01:05:13,390 --> 01:05:15,370
those kinds of balancing.

1208
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:17,430
Sometimes that's what
goes, oh, we don't have

1209
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:19,010
to spend that much this year.

1210
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:20,170
Can we make this work.

1211
01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:21,910
Can we squeeze
one more, one more

1212
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:23,650
year without adding
that position,

1213
01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:28,050
even though we're clearly beyond
we can see it in the overtime.

1214
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:31,430
We can see it in the hours
worked and the shifts

1215
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:34,510
and not being able to cover
it depending on whatever area.

1216
01:05:34,510 --> 01:05:35,770
But we make it work.

1217
01:05:35,770 --> 01:05:36,810
And we make it work.

1218
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:38,290
And then we make it work.

1219
01:05:38,290 --> 01:05:41,150
And all that continues
to come compound

1220
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:44,950
into where we're at today.

1221
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:47,950
Also, some of the
director, the director

1222
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:50,470
figures that were reported
in the presentations

1223
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:52,450
to one another.

1224
01:05:52,450 --> 01:05:53,730
Again subdivision growth.

1225
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:57,310
There's 15 new subdivisions
plotted since January

1226
01:05:57,310 --> 01:06:02,030
one of 25 annexations.

1227
01:06:02,030 --> 01:06:02,970
City limit.

1228
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:08,290
It totals 41 3 square miles.

1229
01:06:08,290 --> 01:06:13,250
You can see the fire response
area is 80.4mi and EMS responses

1230
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:22,970
649mi for every 100 new homes
adds about 31% and annexation

1231
01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:25,770
continues in multiple
areas in town

1232
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:29,850
that just adds more pressure
to fire the call volume.

1233
01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:31,790
I won't read them all
to you, but number 4,

1234
01:06:31,790 --> 01:06:36,470
you can see the call volume
up, police calls for service.

1235
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:39,050


1236
01:06:39,050 --> 01:06:44,090
Everything is rising
and the infrastructure

1237
01:06:44,090 --> 01:06:46,830
based on annexation and growth.

1238
01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:53,130
And that also has
street lights, all that.

1239
01:06:53,130 --> 01:07:05,760
So growth adds those reoccurring
costs as well that this

1240
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,540
is where we are right now.

1241
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:12,960


1242
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,680
We get the director
presentations.

1243
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,440
We get the Department
submissions

1244
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,840
and line item reviews.

1245
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,840
We're going to go
back in September

1246
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,680
and start to do
some prioritizing

1247
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,500
and get some balancing done.

1248
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,680
And then we'll be
back in October.

1249
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:37,640
The first part of November
sit with you all kind of.

1250
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,400
See what we've done
during that time

1251
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,840
and then come up with
a solution, which

1252
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,220
we will to fix all of this.

1253
01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:46,800


1254
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,200
I would just add
that and Jay touched

1255
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,600
on this at the very beginning.

1256
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:58,320
People hear a 300 million
plus budget as a whole

1257
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:04,540
and think, well, OK with $360
million budget this year,

1258
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:07,900
whatever that may
be this next year.

1259
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:09,760
And you think so.

1260
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,420
Out of that much, it's not
hard to find 18 million.

1261
01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:15,120
If you're thinking 300.

1262
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,500
But when you break
it down and we're

1263
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:19,779
talking the structural deficit
within the general fund,

1264
01:08:19,779 --> 01:08:22,580
within the core
areas of government

1265
01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:26,520
that aren't, and you take
out each enterprise fund.

1266
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,300
So all the utilities
that separate

1267
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:32,140
take out all of the water
and sewer you take out,

1268
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:35,340
of course, our solid
waste and recycling,

1269
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:38,359
the community recreation
center that's separate.

1270
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,779
You take all these out and you
get to these core functions

1271
01:08:41,779 --> 01:08:46,319
where it's limited and you're
in the 50s and a million,

1272
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,460
not in 300 million.

1273
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:52,979
And you start trying to
figure out, where this deficit

1274
01:08:52,979 --> 01:08:54,520
continues to amplify.

1275
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:01,240
Each year that I talked about
that becomes how much more slim

1276
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,540
it gets in trying to
make those minor tweaks.

1277
01:09:04,540 --> 01:09:07,600
And then you think
about let's just

1278
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,920
say the million if everything
it'll probably be less

1279
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,359
because we don't always
have every one time

1280
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,040
ask in there or every
personnel request.

1281
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,439
But I will say these
personnel requests

1282
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,720
aren't just the wish list.

1283
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,660
This is a fire department
that knows we need x amount,

1284
01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:28,100
but we're only asking for
this amount for this year.

1285
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,700
This is a police department
doing the same thing,

1286
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:33,080
knowing that if
at any given time

1287
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,279
we have 15 sworn officers
or so that are deployable,

1288
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,979
we know we need to be
about 165 deployable.

1289
01:09:40,979 --> 01:09:43,920
So you really need to
be around 180 or so.

1290
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,880
And we're in the 1 1
30 seconds and then

1291
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,319
we have, at any given
time, not that amount

1292
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:53,120
to be deployable at that time.

1293
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,530
Still just asking for a
certain amount for each.

1294
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:57,370
For the next year.

1295
01:09:57,370 --> 01:09:59,630
Not that whole gap.

1296
01:09:59,630 --> 01:10:00,910
When we choose.

1297
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:02,350
Even though we.

1298
01:10:02,350 --> 01:10:04,230
It might not be realistic.

1299
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:07,870
Even if the money were
there not to go after

1300
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:12,350
or not to try and budget for
more than a certain amount

1301
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:15,650
that we know we wouldn't be
able to recruit in a given year.

1302
01:10:15,650 --> 01:10:17,650
But we use that money
for something else,

1303
01:10:17,650 --> 01:10:20,710
or something new means
it's not there when

1304
01:10:20,710 --> 01:10:22,210
we get to that future year.

1305
01:10:22,210 --> 01:10:24,850
And so all those things
are kind of multiplied.

1306
01:10:24,850 --> 01:10:27,310
And when you get to
that 18 or so million

1307
01:10:27,310 --> 01:10:29,890
and you start thinking, we have
a debt payment of a million,

1308
01:10:29,890 --> 01:10:36,690
we have 3.3 million to the
rural we can go down the line.

1309
01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:39,490
And even though we've
added X amount for revenue,

1310
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:41,370
we've added X amount
for efficiencies,

1311
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,730
we're still not catching up.

1312
01:10:43,730 --> 01:10:47,190
And so I know this
sounds more like it

1313
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:48,690
sounds very doom and gloom.

1314
01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:53,350
It's meant to just show how
this has happened over time

1315
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:58,190
and why it's important that as
we go into our 2027 budget, one,

1316
01:10:58,190 --> 01:11:00,650
we want to be very mindful
of what we recommend

1317
01:11:00,650 --> 01:11:02,970
when it comes to fund balance.

1318
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:03,870
We've talked about that.

1319
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:06,610
I won't reiterate that and
don't want you to be surprised

1320
01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:08,230
as that's a portion of it.

1321
01:11:08,230 --> 01:11:10,210
It obviously doesn't
address at all.

1322
01:11:10,210 --> 01:11:12,570
It also means that some of
those bigger discussions

1323
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:17,330
we've been having as we relook
at our economic development

1324
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:20,430
efforts along the riverfront
and the agreements we have,

1325
01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,590
we have to relook at those.

1326
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:24,010
We don't want to
just continue as is

1327
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:30,210
without making a different steps
to seek out different solutions.

1328
01:11:30,210 --> 01:11:34,170
It also means that we have
to look more regionally

1329
01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:35,730
and how we work
with our partners

1330
01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:38,950
when it comes to where we
are providing a service,

1331
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:43,650
not just within the city
limits, but in a very large area

1332
01:11:43,650 --> 01:11:45,870
outside of those limits.

1333
01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:48,790
We've talked about that with
the rural fire district.

1334
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:52,050
We have that agreement.

1335
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:55,560
We do need to provide
them the two year notice.

1336
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,680
If you remember, that
is a staff notice.

1337
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,780
Whether it doesn't necessarily
come from the council.

1338
01:12:02,780 --> 01:12:04,513
It comes from the fire chief.

1339
01:12:04,513 --> 01:12:05,680
And I just want to
give you a heads

1340
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,240
up that we want that we
are going to plan to give

1341
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,040
them that letter of notice.

1342
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,600
And just to clarify,
it's not a notice

1343
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,620
of we don't want to contract
with the rural fire.

1344
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:18,540
It's just over the
next two years,

1345
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:22,960
we have to get to an arrangement
that works for covering

1346
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,680
and renewing that agreement.

1347
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,080
But without giving that notice,
it makes it very difficult

1348
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:34,440
to take steps, actionable
steps to actually change

1349
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:35,780
that and work towards it.

1350
01:12:35,780 --> 01:12:40,040
So again, our letter coming from
our chief of the fire department

1351
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,880
to the rural district
would simply cover the fact

1352
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,240
that we are completely open
to continuing to contract

1353
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,380
for the rural district.

1354
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:52,660
But we need to renegotiate this
agreement within the next two

1355
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:55,980
years to be able to continue
to do that where it's not

1356
01:12:55,980 --> 01:13:01,860
at a loss to citizens of Grand
Junction and the services

1357
01:13:01,860 --> 01:13:04,020
that we are providing
out of the jail.

1358
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:08,100
So there are multiple components
we are coming through.

1359
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:15,020
Also looking at dissecting what
parts of the increase expenses

1360
01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:17,260
that we talked about that
are outpacing revenues

1361
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,220
are tied to growth.

1362
01:13:19,220 --> 01:13:22,340
And then which parts are things
that we've added that might not

1363
01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:25,220
be tied to growth, where we
might have to have discussions

1364
01:13:25,220 --> 01:13:29,220
about whether or not those are
things we continue or we adjust

1365
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:30,680
or things like that.

1366
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,860
So again, we'll be
coming in October

1367
01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:34,900
with all those
recommendations, and

1368
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:36,160
we're working heavily on that.

1369
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,820
Now we don't have
all those outlined.

1370
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:41,480
Usually by the time we would
do this, we would do that,

1371
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:42,920
but it wouldn't
be until October.

1372
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,100
We just chose to
come earlier to talk

1373
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:49,250
about why we're running
into this on an annual basis

1374
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:51,570
and be open.

1375
01:13:51,570 --> 01:13:53,310
Because sometimes
in times like this,

1376
01:13:53,310 --> 01:13:55,730
it's where we have to
say no to some good ideas

1377
01:13:55,730 --> 01:13:58,290
to make sure we get
everything structurally

1378
01:13:58,290 --> 01:14:00,410
sound to be able to
continue to provide

1379
01:14:00,410 --> 01:14:03,250
the services at a high level.

1380
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:06,430
So happy to take any questions.

1381
01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:10,630
We've got a lot of people
here that we can call upon.

1382
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:12,930
But again, we're not at
the point of the line

1383
01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:14,190
item recommendations.

1384
01:14:14,190 --> 01:14:18,050
Just really just big picture.

1385
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:19,670
Council Member Stan,
did you have something.

1386
01:14:19,670 --> 01:14:23,010
Yeah I think that we really need
to start having conversations

1387
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:25,850
in earnest about funding
some kind of study

1388
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:28,970
about what it would look
like to form a fire district

1389
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:30,510
and remove that from the city.

1390
01:14:30,510 --> 01:14:32,070
It's one of our biggest.

1391
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:34,810
I mean, it's not that
we don't want to.

1392
01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:38,050
It's not that we don't want you,
but it would give the district

1393
01:14:38,050 --> 01:14:43,650
the ability to go to taxpayers
and to ask for the taxes

1394
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:45,230
that they need to be
able to fund this.

1395
01:14:45,230 --> 01:14:47,590
It would give much
more flexibility

1396
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:50,630
when it comes to
setting pay and not

1397
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:54,470
having to have it
compete with or inflate

1398
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:56,110
other departments here.

1399
01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:58,350
I mean, it would also
potentially create

1400
01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:01,230
some solutions for how
much we're doing elsewhere,

1401
01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:03,590
but the city's not getting
paid for everything

1402
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:05,390
that was presented here.

1403
01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:10,550
Really, the biggest
potential impact

1404
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:13,990
would be not having
the city continue

1405
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:18,210
to saddle the entirety of the
metro areas, not the entirety.

1406
01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:23,950
That's unfair, but to saddle
so much of the entire region's

1407
01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:25,770
fire and EMS needs.

1408
01:15:25,770 --> 01:15:28,190
And I don't see I imagine that
what you're going to bring

1409
01:15:28,190 --> 01:15:31,830
to us for 2027 is going
to be a short term

1410
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:34,030
solution for this
budget, but we are not

1411
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:36,230
going to be able to continue
to short term solution

1412
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:39,190
our way through this kind of
a structural deficit, when

1413
01:15:39,190 --> 01:15:40,670
so much of that
deficit is coming

1414
01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:46,410
from our fire department
and our fire assistance

1415
01:15:46,410 --> 01:15:47,190
that we're providing.

1416
01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:49,570
I don't know why we're not
having this conversation very

1417
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:53,290
in earnest and very soon, and
why we're not looking at using

1418
01:15:53,290 --> 01:15:58,290
some of our reserve to authorize
some study to start looking

1419
01:15:58,290 --> 01:15:59,970
at what that would look like.

1420
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:03,350
So that will be part of our
recommendation coming in.

1421
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:06,610
We're definitely having those
conversations with our partners

1422
01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:09,850
a little more
informally before we

1423
01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:11,710
look at a more formal process.

1424
01:16:11,710 --> 01:16:14,770
But you're 100%
right, Councilman,

1425
01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:17,330
that when I talk
about the fire service

1426
01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:22,090
and how we work with our
partners in the long run.

1427
01:16:22,090 --> 01:16:24,510
That's not a fix in
just the 27 budget.

1428
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:27,090
That's a bigger
picture, multi-year fix

1429
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:31,790
that takes multiple years
to get from here to there.

1430
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:37,650
And we have to get going
on that and our chief's

1431
01:16:37,650 --> 01:16:42,130
done a great job of beginning
to reach out with our partners,

1432
01:16:42,130 --> 01:16:46,240
gather some support because it's
not something we can do alone.

1433
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,260
It definitely has to be
with some of those partners.

1434
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:51,600
And we're getting
there's a reception

1435
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:52,940
to taking those next steps.

1436
01:16:52,940 --> 01:16:54,900
I don't want to speak for
any of those partners yet,

1437
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:56,740
but there's reception
and taking that.

1438
01:16:56,740 --> 01:16:59,560
But it would include
bringing an outside group in

1439
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,080
to work with not just the city,
but the other entities that are

1440
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,480
involved in that transition.

1441
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,760
Because you've got
to comb through what

1442
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,480
the adequate funding is in the
long term, how to merge assets,

1443
01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:17,440
how to actually go
to the multiple areas

1444
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,520
that would be involved,
how other districts

1445
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,060
could come in the future.

1446
01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:24,740
There's a lot of layers to
that, but you're 100% right.

1447
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:27,640
Without getting started
on that, we perpetuate

1448
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,280
what we're facing right now.

1449
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,900
Yeah the other piece
of this, though,

1450
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:37,127
is that I think it's the
best solution for our region.

1451
01:17:37,127 --> 01:17:38,560
I think it's the best
solution for the city

1452
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,920
and for the city's
budget situation.

1453
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,660
But if it doesn't work.

1454
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:47,480
We also need to be looking right
now at a parallel question,

1455
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:51,260
which is how do we go to
the voters for an increase

1456
01:17:51,260 --> 01:17:54,460
to our public safety tax
because of all the issues

1457
01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:56,500
that we see with the budget.

1458
01:17:56,500 --> 01:18:00,700
One of the most
significant is the fact

1459
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:03,780
that our public safety
tax is not meeting

1460
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:05,420
our public safety needs.

1461
01:18:05,420 --> 01:18:07,180
And so we can do
a bunch of things

1462
01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:10,440
to fix the rest of the budget.

1463
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,500
But that's the place where
there's the most opportunity

1464
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:15,920
and I can't see going to
the public and saying,

1465
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,420
hey, we need a general tax
increase for general city

1466
01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:22,180
services because that
does not move voters,

1467
01:18:22,180 --> 01:18:23,440
does not convince voters.

1468
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:24,760
The public safety sure does.

1469
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,100
And I don't want us to
wait until we conduct

1470
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:32,060
a very prolonged process,
looking at the potential

1471
01:18:32,060 --> 01:18:34,660
for a fire district
and not simultaneously

1472
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:36,400
look at what would we need.

1473
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,820
If that proves to not be a
viable option, what would

1474
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:41,290
we need to be
going to the voters

1475
01:18:41,290 --> 01:18:44,350
for from a public
safety tax standpoint.

1476
01:18:44,350 --> 01:18:48,230
And we know that when we did the
last, when we did twoby in 2019,

1477
01:18:48,230 --> 01:18:49,590
we didn't ask for
what we needed.

1478
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:52,210
We asked for less than what
we projected we would need

1479
01:18:52,210 --> 01:18:55,530
for public safety, knowing
that we would have a future ask

1480
01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,410
if all things continued
equal and they

1481
01:18:58,410 --> 01:19:02,110
haven't just continued equal,
they've been exacerbated.

1482
01:19:02,110 --> 01:19:08,050
So I would urge that we don't
put one on the back burner

1483
01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:10,530
while we pursue the other, but
rather we're examining both

1484
01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:15,850
of them as potential
options for as soon

1485
01:19:15,850 --> 01:19:19,810
as we can get it
in front of voters.

1486
01:19:19,810 --> 01:19:26,610
And I would just add, one of the
things we want to do in a very

1487
01:19:26,610 --> 01:19:31,130
transparent way is
show everything that's

1488
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:34,530
added to the show, how we're
spending those funds show where

1489
01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:37,030
we're short, show where our
efficiencies have been made,

1490
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:40,430
show where the growth and
revenue has been made so

1491
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:44,330
that when we do get to some
point where we have to do well,

1492
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:48,230
when we do potentially have
to put an ask out there,

1493
01:19:48,230 --> 01:19:52,510
there's a lot of understanding
of all the things we've done.

1494
01:19:52,510 --> 01:19:57,070
First to be able to then ask for
that trust and that commitment

1495
01:19:57,070 --> 01:20:01,510
of the public that we've
made these efficiencies we've

1496
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:03,950
utilized new
revenue in this way.

1497
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:07,510
We've sought out other
opportunities and partnership

1498
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:10,270
to lessen the load.

1499
01:20:10,270 --> 01:20:12,030
But this is what
it takes to provide

1500
01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:14,230
that level of service
and the expectation

1501
01:20:14,230 --> 01:20:16,470
that our residents have.

1502
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:17,670
Council Member Kennedy.

1503
01:20:17,670 --> 01:20:20,250
Yes, we've been talking about
this for several years now.

1504
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:22,810
I remember when we
were talking to Cliff,

1505
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:24,310
looking at Clifton
fire for a while,

1506
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:25,410
and some of the
challenges there.

1507
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:28,670
We were talking about what a
district might look like then,

1508
01:20:28,670 --> 01:20:29,950
and certainly over
the years, we've

1509
01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:33,150
talked with the local
about that in conjunction

1510
01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:36,190
with potential other,
things that they're

1511
01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:38,860
looking at employee collective
bargaining incentive.

1512
01:20:38,860 --> 01:20:41,880
So I think that the
appetite is there.

1513
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,640
I think it certainly
is a good opportunity.

1514
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,820
And I think that the
situation that we're looking

1515
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:50,340
at with this budget gives
us a great motivation

1516
01:20:50,340 --> 01:20:52,360
to actually have
that discussion,

1517
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,280
as council member
stout pointed out.

1518
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,980
It's a good time to do that.

1519
01:20:56,980 --> 01:21:00,800
And also a great point
on that to be from 2019.

1520
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,940
That was as that public
safety tax came out.

1521
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,940
So much of that.

1522
01:21:06,940 --> 01:21:09,500
Well, first we asked
for less than what

1523
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:13,140
the need was because it was just
about well, what do we think

1524
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:13,880
will pass.

1525
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,480
Because that's always
that challenge.

1526
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,700
It was just like when we tried
to build the police department

1527
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:23,420
the first time, and we
were asked by the public

1528
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:25,440
to not build it at that scale.

1529
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,160
It was greatly brought
down to a smaller level.

1530
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,420
And now we're looking
at an enormous expense

1531
01:21:30,420 --> 01:21:33,540
for a police annex just so
we can continue services.

1532
01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:36,320
So when we don't ask
for what we need.

1533
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,800
That puts us, I
think in a position

1534
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,940
where we have to come back again
later with our hat in our hands.

1535
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:43,680
So if there's an
opportunity this time

1536
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,980
to say to really rightsize
this, not that it I mean,

1537
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:48,700
it's going to be
uncomfortable for all of us,

1538
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:52,560
but I think that's important to
look at that and to say, let's

1539
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,660
not just think about
OK, what will pass.

1540
01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:57,040
Let's think about just doing
a really, really good job

1541
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,240
of explaining what the real
need is, because so much

1542
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,740
of that to be went
to our building,

1543
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:08,600
a new fire stations to
dispatch that type of thing.

1544
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,520
Really, the amount that went
to the police department

1545
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,140
in particular was
relatively small.

1546
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:15,080
And I don't think that
the public totally

1547
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:19,540
understands the way those funds
got distributed or distributed.

1548
01:22:19,540 --> 01:22:23,080
So that's a challenge as well.

1549
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,860
So yes, I agree with council
member on those two issues.

1550
01:22:25,860 --> 01:22:29,780
The one thing I would ask Mike
on this, when we come back,

1551
01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:34,060
we talk about this again on that
breakdown on that $6 million

1552
01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:35,460
structural deficit.

1553
01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:37,900
If there's a way you
can give us a breakdown

1554
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:43,020
on what that's made up of as
far as and you talked about some

1555
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:47,620
but what we can't avoid as
far as contractual obligations

1556
01:22:47,620 --> 01:22:50,960
debt service benefits
and things like that.

1557
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,160
If just a better
understanding of what that is.

1558
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,080
I mean, even though I mean,
we have to take it on,

1559
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,780
it's not like we can't
do that, but just so

1560
01:22:59,780 --> 01:23:02,700
we understand what we're looking
at and use that for framework

1561
01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:03,560
as we go forward.

1562
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,400
Any other future decisions.

1563
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,420


1564
01:23:09,420 --> 01:23:12,260
Any other council
comments or questions.

1565
01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:14,780
Council Member belfus.

1566
01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:17,900
Thank you.

1567
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:22,100
Well, I gotta say that the
numbers and the turnover

1568
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:25,660
and the wage increases
that we're looking at

1569
01:23:25,660 --> 01:23:30,620
are not unique to City
of Grand Junction.

1570
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:33,510
I mean, when I talk we
have a lot of meetings.

1571
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:36,530
We go to the house,
talk to what's going on

1572
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:39,150
and their companies
and that sort of thing.

1573
01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:41,170
And it's kind of
in line with what

1574
01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:43,130
I'm hearing in the community.

1575
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:48,690
I have it's kind of hard
to imagine that the average

1576
01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:54,410
business that's paying insurance
benefits to their employees is

1577
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:59,530
paying $30,000 per employee
per year, but we are in a very

1578
01:23:59,530 --> 01:24:03,110
high health cost area.

1579
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:06,230
I worked in an area
for a long time.

1580
01:24:06,230 --> 01:24:08,390
So it's an ongoing problem.

1581
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:09,950
Nobody's figured it out yet.

1582
01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:14,030
So it's very difficult.
But if at all possible,

1583
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:20,170
it would like to have more
detailed breakdowns of costs

1584
01:24:20,170 --> 01:24:21,510
as far as benefits.

1585
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:25,490
Where we're at.

1586
01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:28,230
Do we have I would
ask you I mean,

1587
01:24:28,230 --> 01:24:30,890
we have an aging population
in Grand Junction.

1588
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:34,010
Do we have an aging
workforce at the city.

1589
01:24:34,010 --> 01:24:36,270
Are we going to
see, a lot of people

1590
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:41,370
retiring in the future that
would bring younger people in.

1591
01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:46,150
That would be a lower
end of the scales

1592
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:49,410
as far as salaries and wages go.

1593
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:53,830
What are the trends that we're
looking at in the near future.

1594
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:57,790
I mean, we're in an area
that we're at a crossroads

1595
01:24:57,790 --> 01:25:01,070
where we gotta look pretty
close at a lot of this stuff

1596
01:25:01,070 --> 01:25:03,870
and ask a lot of questions.

1597
01:25:03,870 --> 01:25:06,810
But we have to have really
good data to do that.

1598
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,330
So just putting that out there.

1599
01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:12,270


1600
01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:16,150
One thing during engineering
and transportation director

1601
01:25:16,150 --> 01:25:22,350
Paul's presentation to I
think it was 25% of your staff

1602
01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:26,670
is within a couple of
years of retirement age.

1603
01:25:26,670 --> 01:25:31,080
So to your point and also
to your point of we're not.

1604
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,960
And I had it on my second
slide about national trend.

1605
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,980
I was on a call today, a rating
call to get those cops rated

1606
01:25:38,980 --> 01:25:45,540
by S&P and talking about
this structural deficit

1607
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:49,420
and what we're doing, trying
to proactively address it.

1608
01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:55,000
And they confirm that, yeah,
we're not alone in this boat.

1609
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,480
That's what they talked to.

1610
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:59,900
That's what they do all day
is talk to municipalities

1611
01:25:59,900 --> 01:26:01,120
and governments.

1612
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,740
And they said, yeah, we're not
alone in this to your point.

1613
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:06,000
Not unique for sure.

1614
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,660


1615
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:09,520
Any other questions.

1616
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,520
Comments yeah.

1617
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:12,480
One quick one.

1618
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:18,020
I like what Catherine was
getting at there as far

1619
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:20,820
as the trend, Mike and
I know it's a lot to ask

1620
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:23,300
and I know nobody
has a crystal ball.

1621
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:26,520
That's one of the things as
we look at our trajectory,

1622
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,720
it's like, OK, if we
structurally fix this step

1623
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,680
and say here.

1624
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,360
From what we know
and what we can

1625
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,600
look at going
forward to whatever

1626
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,700
extent is reasonable, right.

1627
01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:42,280
It'd be fantastic if
there was like a five

1628
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,620
year projection understanding
with the understanding.

1629
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:48,720
Obviously, nobody knows
what those future revenues

1630
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,960
and expenses will be,
but with what we can know

1631
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,680
and what we can project based
on where we're at, what can we

1632
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,160
do to course adjust
to make sure if we

1633
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:02,120
do have deficits, that we can
shrink them as we move forward.

1634
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,900
Yeah and we're happy to share
what makes sense to get there.

1635
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:10,960
I just reiterate that we
have 900 professionals

1636
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,600
and departments
of finance and HR

1637
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,780
and working with
Brown and Brown.

1638
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:21,980
So we're diving into all that
level of detail on a full time,

1639
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:25,390
daily basis to get to
do the recommendations

1640
01:27:25,390 --> 01:27:26,770
that we bring to you all.

1641
01:27:26,770 --> 01:27:30,970
So it's not being looked at
or not being gone through,

1642
01:27:30,970 --> 01:27:37,510
but it would take I mean,
to go through it would take,

1643
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:40,790
more workshops than we could
schedule in one year and hours

1644
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:43,410
to go through the
level of that detail.

1645
01:27:43,410 --> 01:27:47,350
So I hope there's trust in US
that we have the right teams

1646
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:51,550
going through all that and then
bringing those summaries of why.

1647
01:27:51,550 --> 01:27:53,670
Here's what we have
to recommend and

1648
01:27:53,670 --> 01:27:56,290
here's what is leading to it.

1649
01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:59,310
Today was not bringing
you that level of detail

1650
01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:01,650
because it was just framing
the overall picture.

1651
01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:03,770
But as we get into
those recommendations,

1652
01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:05,910
we'll definitely take
these notes so that we

1653
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:08,370
can bring some level of detail.

1654
01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:13,990
So you have more understanding
approving or considering

1655
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:16,350
those recommendations for sure.

1656
01:28:16,350 --> 01:28:19,570
So yeah, Jake, if you
go back to the slide,

1657
01:28:19,570 --> 01:28:24,310
that shows the kind of
surplus and deficit over time.

1658
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:37,970


1659
01:28:37,970 --> 01:28:39,450
One four.

1660
01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:46,610
Yeah So I guess my question is
obviously this looks really bad,

1661
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:52,050
but you kind of alluded to these
one time levers and deferrals

1662
01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:55,390
that we made perhaps in some of
those like years that look good.

1663
01:28:55,390 --> 01:28:58,450
And I'm just trying to
add context or understand

1664
01:28:58,450 --> 01:29:03,730
the context of how much is
that maybe juicing those 2021

1665
01:29:03,730 --> 01:29:09,450
through 2024 numbers and
maybe making that curve

1666
01:29:09,450 --> 01:29:11,070
sharper than it is in reality.

1667
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:15,690
Like, do we have
a handle on that.

1668
01:29:15,690 --> 01:29:19,690
Yeah, I'll just say speaking
for when I guess Mike and I

1669
01:29:19,690 --> 01:29:23,390
last year jumping in.

1670
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:30,390
We were at a $10 million deficit
and the budget process started.

1671
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:36,470
And by mostly doing
one time of levers,

1672
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:39,870
we got that and brought
council balanced budget.

1673
01:29:39,870 --> 01:29:43,410
Not every year is
going to be that much.

1674
01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:50,710
But for instance,
funding of facilities

1675
01:29:50,710 --> 01:29:53,610
was pulled multiple
years in a row.

1676
01:29:53,610 --> 01:29:57,170
We're funding it to the point
of $1.2 million per year.

1677
01:29:57,170 --> 01:29:59,730
Now, many years.

1678
01:29:59,730 --> 01:30:06,570
We have $0 for facility kind of
preventative maintenance fleet.

1679
01:30:06,570 --> 01:30:11,590
We mentioned fleet
we were having.

1680
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:14,910
Some enterprise funds pick
up some general fund costs

1681
01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:18,750
because the enterprise
funds operated at a surplus

1682
01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:26,220
and there's some tie to maybe
what the service was things

1683
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:32,460
like that add up in a big way.

1684
01:30:32,460 --> 01:30:34,980
You won't miss anything.

1685
01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:37,940
It's also accurate, though,
that we had really healthy

1686
01:30:37,940 --> 01:30:41,820
sales tax collections in 2021.

1687
01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:46,500
Correct I mean, the economy was
much better back then as well.

1688
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:50,060
Yeah double digit
growth at a time

1689
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:53,480
before the expenses
significantly grew.

1690
01:30:53,480 --> 01:31:03,780
So not only inflation but prior
to there was mention of 2B

1691
01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:08,180
and yes, that I
think we knew that we

1692
01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:10,060
probably needed more
at that point in time

1693
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:11,340
from what it sounds like.

1694
01:31:11,340 --> 01:31:16,180
What we didn't know is what
happened, a year later, and not

1695
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:20,800
only with following the pandemic
and inflation and construction

1696
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,580
costs growing dramatically.

1697
01:31:22,580 --> 01:31:27,800
When we're building fire
stations but a massive increase

1698
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,780
in public safety salaries
across the country,

1699
01:31:31,780 --> 01:31:35,400
across the state that weren't
factored into those projections

1700
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,240
and took a lot of
that extra money

1701
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,180
that would have went
to New employees,

1702
01:31:39,180 --> 01:31:42,240
but it went to keeping
up with those salaries

1703
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,720
and then construction costs and
then all that kind of amplified

1704
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:46,300
at once.

1705
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:48,740
So yeah, you're right.

1706
01:31:48,740 --> 01:31:51,440
2021, some of those
years, 2020 was

1707
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,840
a great revenue year, even
though it was a tough year

1708
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:54,940
for a lot of people.

1709
01:31:54,940 --> 01:31:57,340
But revenue wise it was great.

1710
01:31:57,340 --> 01:32:01,100
And from about
2017 to that point,

1711
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:03,220
we were having in
this whole area,

1712
01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:06,480
we were having the highest
year over year increases

1713
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:07,820
we had seen ever.

1714
01:32:07,820 --> 01:32:10,980
And that was significant.

1715
01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:13,920
And that was during
a time where revenues

1716
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,770
were outpacing to some degree
increase in fund balance.

1717
01:32:17,770 --> 01:32:21,390
And then that took a big
shift where expenses obviously

1718
01:32:21,390 --> 01:32:24,330
went to outpacing those revenues
even though they're growing,

1719
01:32:24,330 --> 01:32:27,870
just not growing at those
rapid at the same rates.

1720
01:32:27,870 --> 01:32:30,830
Another thing that wasn't
factored into the 2019 question

1721
01:32:30,830 --> 01:32:36,430
was the number of public state,
reactionary public safety bills

1722
01:32:36,430 --> 01:32:39,310
that were going to be coming out
of the legislature in ensuing

1723
01:32:39,310 --> 01:32:43,710
years, and those made it lost a
lot of officers or professionals

1724
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:47,550
who left our not just our
department, but left the state.

1725
01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:49,550
And then we had a number
of unfunded mandates

1726
01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:52,030
that were passed down from
the state legislature to us

1727
01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:54,230
and things that
made our jobs more

1728
01:32:54,230 --> 01:32:56,290
difficult from a
municipal standpoint.

1729
01:32:56,290 --> 01:33:02,310
So 20 the 2019 tax
was helpful, but it

1730
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:04,730
didn't contemplate the full
need in the first place.

1731
01:33:04,730 --> 01:33:07,110
And then the need
burgeoned after that.

1732
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:08,370
That's a great point.

1733
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:12,150
And as you all probably good
from a public perspective too

1734
01:33:12,150 --> 01:33:15,770
is part of the reason
those salaries shot up

1735
01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:18,570
across the board is because
there were a large amount

1736
01:33:18,570 --> 01:33:20,250
of vacancies being
created, and then it

1737
01:33:20,250 --> 01:33:24,290
becomes very difficult to find
enough people who are qualified

1738
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:28,610
to do those jobs and willing to
do those jobs with those added

1739
01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:32,050
changes that came
through state legislature

1740
01:33:32,050 --> 01:33:35,270
and that compounded
in a big way.

1741
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:38,970
And so none of that was foreseen
or would have been in people's

1742
01:33:38,970 --> 01:33:41,410
projections and
really, really snuck

1743
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:49,370
up at a perfect storm of really
added up to where we're at.

1744
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:52,090
I do want to address
the thing that you said.

1745
01:33:52,090 --> 01:33:54,390
Just before council member
Nguyen spoke about you.

1746
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:59,050
Hopefully, trust us or
you hope we trust you.

1747
01:33:59,050 --> 01:34:02,230
And not only should you
hope that we trust you,

1748
01:34:02,230 --> 01:34:04,850
but it is built into the
structure of our government

1749
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:07,710
that we should be relying on
you as the experts and not.

1750
01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:10,450
And I'd like to caution my
colleagues that we not we

1751
01:34:10,450 --> 01:34:13,840
not request so much
detail level information

1752
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,800
that we're stepping
into your territory

1753
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,960
and to operational matters.

1754
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:25,040
We need to maintain
we stay in our lane

1755
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,160
and maintain our
role as policymakers

1756
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,060
and take the information
that you bring to us,

1757
01:34:30,060 --> 01:34:31,660
ask clarifying
questions, of course.

1758
01:34:31,660 --> 01:34:35,060
And some level of additional
detail is appropriate.

1759
01:34:35,060 --> 01:34:38,720
But I would strongly
caution us against delving

1760
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,880
so deep into this that
we are interfering

1761
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,480
with the operational
side of things

1762
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,500
and not behaving the policy
role that we belong in.

1763
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:50,440


1764
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:54,880
Any other questions or
comments on this from council.

1765
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,240
Well, with that
being said, thank

1766
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,860
you so much to staff on this.

1767
01:34:57,860 --> 01:35:00,560
We know the lift
is extremely heavy.

1768
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,080
Upper management
budget team all the way

1769
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,440
down into the
individual departments.

1770
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,720
We know this is a lot
from top to bottom

1771
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,540
and there's a lot of
sacrifices that are made.

1772
01:35:10,540 --> 01:35:15,100
But we're extremely fortunate
to have incredible people doing

1773
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:16,580
this and running
these numbers to make

1774
01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:21,100
sure that our city is in a
great position moving forward.

1775
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:22,920
I think we'll wrap
up that topic.

1776
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,207
With that being said, is anybody
in need of a break at the moment

1777
01:35:26,207 --> 01:35:27,040
About an hour and a half.

1778
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,000
Yeah so let's go ahead and
take a 10 minute break,

1779
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,360
and we'll be back at 14 after.

1780
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,700


1781
01:35:35,700 --> 01:35:38,340
That sounds.

1782
01:35:38,340 --> 01:35:49,480
Good I didn't say.

1783
01:35:49,480 --> 01:46:19,290


1784
01:46:19,290 --> 01:46:23,290
We'll go over to financial
policies and reporting overview.

1785
01:46:23,290 --> 01:46:26,210
And city manager Bennett
has an introduction.

1786
01:46:26,210 --> 01:46:26,710
All right.

1787
01:46:26,710 --> 01:46:28,090
Thank you.

1788
01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:32,450
This item is really to give
council a preview and a heads

1789
01:46:32,450 --> 01:46:34,070
up on two things.

1790
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:39,530
The first is we've created a
new financial dashboard that we

1791
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:42,130
plan to update every quarter.

1792
01:46:42,130 --> 01:46:46,810
As you may recall, in our
strategic plan planning process

1793
01:46:46,810 --> 01:46:50,750
and some of our objectives, we
had a goal to create something

1794
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:52,650
beyond just our revenue report.

1795
01:46:52,650 --> 01:46:55,190
Beyond our budget overview.

1796
01:46:55,190 --> 01:47:01,130
And so our Jay and the team have
worked hard on creating this.

1797
01:47:01,130 --> 01:47:04,290
And Jay is going to give
you a preview of that.

1798
01:47:04,290 --> 01:47:06,870
We plan to go live
with it tomorrow.

1799
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:10,390
And so he's just
pulled up actually

1800
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:13,390
what we would turn on
live on our website,

1801
01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:15,990
like all of our
other dashboards.

1802
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:17,970
They're living.

1803
01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:24,630
And as we get feedback along
the way, as we use it more

1804
01:47:24,630 --> 01:47:26,630
because these aren't while
these are very public

1805
01:47:26,630 --> 01:47:29,090
and for people to
gather information,

1806
01:47:29,090 --> 01:47:31,550
we're creating them in a way
that's twofold, where it's very

1807
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:34,190
useful for us as
staff to utilize

1808
01:47:34,190 --> 01:47:35,890
for you as counsel to utilize.

1809
01:47:35,890 --> 01:47:38,630
And so as we do
that, just like we've

1810
01:47:38,630 --> 01:47:41,690
done with the revenue dashboard,
we've added components.

1811
01:47:41,690 --> 01:47:44,610
Our partners have received
lodging tax like the airlines.

1812
01:47:44,610 --> 01:47:47,850
And the Sports Commission
had some good feedback.

1813
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:50,180
So we added some
components where

1814
01:47:50,180 --> 01:47:54,380
you can break it down
in our lodging tax that

1815
01:47:54,380 --> 01:47:56,200
goes to them on that report.

1816
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,800
So just like those with
this revenue report,

1817
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,820
we anticipate that we'll
probably have some additions

1818
01:48:02,820 --> 01:48:05,140
and improvements along the way.

1819
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:07,720
But just going to walk you
through a preview of that.

1820
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:12,720
And then second to that we have
internal financial policies.

1821
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:16,040
These are things that get
reviewed in our annual audits.

1822
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:20,380
The auditors look for very
specific things and policies

1823
01:48:20,380 --> 01:48:24,220
and ensure that we are actually
following those policies.

1824
01:48:24,220 --> 01:48:29,780
And we had some discussion
in the last year

1825
01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:32,100
during council
meetings about creating

1826
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:38,120
a adding a little more structure
or adding to a debt policy.

1827
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,180
And so that's one of the
additions we've made.

1828
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:44,200
We wanted to give you
a preview of as well.

1829
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,600
And again, those are
internal policies

1830
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,720
that get double checked
by our auditors each year

1831
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:53,060
and continually adjusted.

1832
01:48:53,060 --> 01:48:56,000
But that was a little bit
more of a public discussion.

1833
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:56,940
We'll go over that with you.

1834
01:48:56,940 --> 01:48:58,407
So Jason going to walk
through both of those

1835
01:48:58,407 --> 01:49:03,920
and then get any feedback
that council may have.

1836
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,080
OK thank you.

1837
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:10,400
So in the vein of
again of transparency

1838
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:14,000
and fiscal responsibility,
we've created this.

1839
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,740
This is a mid-year
financial report.

1840
01:49:15,740 --> 01:49:18,360
But we will report
this quarterly.

1841
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,840
So it'll be the quarterly
financial report.

1842
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:26,480
There's a lot of ways
that we can present.

1843
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:30,840
You've seen the comprehensive
annual financial report.

1844
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:34,100
That's probably the most
transparent document we have,

1845
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:39,000
but the most hard,
difficult to comprehend

1846
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:43,140
finance report from a public
standpoint, there's a lot to it.

1847
01:49:43,140 --> 01:49:45,420
There's pages and
pages and pages.

1848
01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:47,520
So we've created this.

1849
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,340
And trying to get
feedback just to see

1850
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:56,340
if this hits home for a very
high overview of where we're at.

1851
01:49:56,340 --> 01:50:03,020
It consists of multiple tabs
across the top and overview.

1852
01:50:03,020 --> 01:50:04,360
Just real quick here.

1853
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:09,500
You can see that what our
general fund adopted budget is,

1854
01:50:09,500 --> 01:50:14,340
how much we've spent
so far and mid-year,

1855
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:17,380
how much of that
appropriation have we spent,

1856
01:50:17,380 --> 01:50:21,800
and what's that look like
from the same period of 2025?

1857
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:23,980
So once again, a
very high level.

1858
01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:27,340
But it does tell a story.

1859
01:50:27,340 --> 01:50:28,740
It would tell a
lot different story

1860
01:50:28,740 --> 01:50:32,300
if it said that we're
75% spent mid-year

1861
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:38,900
and we're 22% over the
prior year, for example.

1862
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:44,650
Just a little narrative on where
the six months landed and then

1863
01:50:44,650 --> 01:50:47,030
we really as you
keep going into it,

1864
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:52,010
it'll just now we're talking
about the different types

1865
01:50:52,010 --> 01:50:54,490
of funds the general
fund, the first responder

1866
01:50:54,490 --> 01:50:56,830
fund, enterprise funds.

1867
01:50:56,830 --> 01:51:02,250


1868
01:51:02,250 --> 01:51:03,950
Different ways of
looking at this.

1869
01:51:03,950 --> 01:51:06,610
Again, here's just a
different kind of chart.

1870
01:51:06,610 --> 01:51:09,870
We've included all these
because with the Mike said,

1871
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:11,850
with the revenue report,
things are going to resonate

1872
01:51:11,850 --> 01:51:13,470
even as we use this ourselves.

1873
01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:14,230
We're like what.

1874
01:51:14,230 --> 01:51:18,130
Be more helpful if
we could break out

1875
01:51:18,130 --> 01:51:22,170
what enterprise funds
and this overview

1876
01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:23,830
and see we do that over here.

1877
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:30,650
But on the next tab we
talked about all funds,

1878
01:51:30,650 --> 01:51:32,730
how much revenue
we've seen to date,

1879
01:51:32,730 --> 01:51:36,810
what percentage of that
and the tax revenue

1880
01:51:36,810 --> 01:51:38,810
that we received to date.

1881
01:51:38,810 --> 01:51:42,590
And again, it goes through
the different types

1882
01:51:42,590 --> 01:51:44,990
of funds the general
fund, internal service

1883
01:51:44,990 --> 01:51:49,370
fund funds, just different
ways of looking at this.

1884
01:51:49,370 --> 01:51:55,430
Again, we have data associated
with these dropdowns,

1885
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:57,950
and those are a lot of things
that we've been asked to enhance

1886
01:51:57,950 --> 01:52:00,010
on the revenue report.

1887
01:52:00,010 --> 01:52:05,990


1888
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:07,530
As categories of revenue.

1889
01:52:07,530 --> 01:52:09,850
So you can go to what
makes up those revenues.

1890
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:14,030
And you can go down and see
what the different categories

1891
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:16,390
on all of this is.

1892
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:17,570
And then we'll go
through it all.

1893
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:19,490
But just to give
you a good idea.

1894
01:52:19,490 --> 01:52:21,830
So tomorrow you could
go through it if you

1895
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:23,250
think we're on the right track.

1896
01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:25,990


1897
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:27,730
The general fund
we did an overview.

1898
01:52:27,730 --> 01:52:29,070
This is going to
go more in depth

1899
01:52:29,070 --> 01:52:32,550
to it on the general fund
tab, now we're breaking it

1900
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:36,430
out by different departments.

1901
01:52:36,430 --> 01:52:39,540
Based on the largest spend.

1902
01:52:39,540 --> 01:52:43,860
So the police budget compared
to what they spent this year

1903
01:52:43,860 --> 01:52:48,720
and on down the line,
different ways to look at that.

1904
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:53,580
Your budget versus expenditures
numerically percent spent

1905
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:55,240
and how much is remaining.

1906
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:58,540


1907
01:52:58,540 --> 01:53:03,020
Categories, labor and benefits
interfund charges capital.

1908
01:53:03,020 --> 01:53:07,440
Again, it's looking
for that feedback.

1909
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:11,540
Then we'll drive down
into the public safety tax

1910
01:53:11,540 --> 01:53:14,140
fund, the first responder fund.

1911
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:20,500
And same kind of data
I could go through it

1912
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:23,100
all but it's the
same stuff but just

1913
01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:28,060
a different way, just different
segment that we're looking at.

1914
01:53:28,060 --> 01:53:33,600
But we are showing the spend
between police and fire.

1915
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:37,300


1916
01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:39,360
A little the
narrative enterprise

1917
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,040
funds is the same way.

1918
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,180
Now we break down
from the overview.

1919
01:53:43,180 --> 01:53:44,620
We just had enterprise funds.

1920
01:53:44,620 --> 01:53:46,640
Now we're going
to break those out

1921
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,840
so you can see them separately.

1922
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:55,680
But it's the see where we're at
revenues versus expenditures.

1923
01:53:55,680 --> 01:54:00,240
Keep in mind if you're
looking at it tomorrow the.

1924
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,500
Supplementals that we've
done have not been posted.

1925
01:54:02,500 --> 01:54:06,640
So that's why it looks like
there's a lot more not enough

1926
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,300
revenue spent appropriated.

1927
01:54:09,300 --> 01:54:12,960


1928
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:17,660
Again going down the funds
internal service funds.

1929
01:54:17,660 --> 01:54:20,880


1930
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:22,780
And our insurance funds.

1931
01:54:22,780 --> 01:54:25,760


1932
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,940
So that's how we have it set up.

1933
01:54:27,940 --> 01:54:31,260
And just looking for feedback
if that's the right track.

1934
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:33,600
Like I said, we're going
to post this tomorrow

1935
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,270
and we will keep
enhancing that and maybe

1936
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:42,070
there's some repetitive stuff
that will tease out of there,

1937
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:45,190
maybe how to dig a little
deeper into some of that stuff.

1938
01:54:45,190 --> 01:54:48,970
But this is how we plan to
present the financial report.

1939
01:54:48,970 --> 01:54:55,510
We also have it in pamphlet
form that we could distribute.

1940
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:59,390
And we realize this is
a quick glance tonight,

1941
01:54:59,390 --> 01:55:02,490
but all of our dashboards,
as we've said a few times,

1942
01:55:02,490 --> 01:55:04,450
we'll continue to update them.

1943
01:55:04,450 --> 01:55:07,250
So I think as you have
more time to spend with it,

1944
01:55:07,250 --> 01:55:10,190
or as you hear from
members of the public,

1945
01:55:10,190 --> 01:55:12,910
you get any at the end
of any given workshop,

1946
01:55:12,910 --> 01:55:14,050
bring it up if you have.

1947
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:16,230
Hey, could we break it down
this way or any questions

1948
01:55:16,230 --> 01:55:19,770
or suggestions that we can talk
about as a group in the future.

1949
01:55:19,770 --> 01:55:22,590
We don't expect you to
have a bunch of feedback

1950
01:55:22,590 --> 01:55:26,170
in a quick glimpse glance at
the moment, but if you do,

1951
01:55:26,170 --> 01:55:27,610
I'm happy to take any.

1952
01:55:27,610 --> 01:55:31,330
It was more of a heads up that
we've got that first draft,

1953
01:55:31,330 --> 01:55:33,950
and we'll be releasing
that tomorrow

1954
01:55:33,950 --> 01:55:39,770
and obviously we can build
upon that as we move forward.

1955
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:41,530
Councilman Davis.

1956
01:55:41,530 --> 01:55:43,730
Yeah can I just
ask, is this modeled

1957
01:55:43,730 --> 01:55:47,890
after a particular template
that a lot of other cities use

1958
01:55:47,890 --> 01:55:50,310
or a particular city.

1959
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:50,830
Do we.

1960
01:55:50,830 --> 01:55:53,530


1961
01:55:53,530 --> 01:55:56,650
Know what this is.

1962
01:55:56,650 --> 01:55:59,450
We tried to model it off
of our revenue report

1963
01:55:59,450 --> 01:56:01,390
for consistency,
the revenue report,

1964
01:56:01,390 --> 01:56:04,850
meaning the sales tax report
that we've also put online

1965
01:56:04,850 --> 01:56:09,730
now where it's modeled
after that when

1966
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:11,610
we talked about
efficiencies and we

1967
01:56:11,610 --> 01:56:15,650
could do some things in-house.

1968
01:56:15,650 --> 01:56:18,650
There used to be and the
city had purchased it

1969
01:56:18,650 --> 01:56:23,630
back in the day, as
they say, a software,

1970
01:56:23,630 --> 01:56:27,030
very expensive software that
would do the same thing.

1971
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:32,450
You can keep drilling in and
get to what kind of information

1972
01:56:32,450 --> 01:56:33,690
you're looking for.

1973
01:56:33,690 --> 01:56:36,990
This is set up in a way
that just categorizes things

1974
01:56:36,990 --> 01:56:41,030
by the way that we look
at life structures,

1975
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:42,890
types of funds
like general fund,

1976
01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:47,230
enterprise funds,
internal service funds.

1977
01:56:47,230 --> 01:56:53,950
Let's take Scott
Hawkins, IT director.

1978
01:56:53,950 --> 01:56:56,510
They've been doing these.

1979
01:56:56,510 --> 01:56:58,830
We meet with them and
tell them what we want

1980
01:56:58,830 --> 01:56:59,970
and what we're looking at.

1981
01:56:59,970 --> 01:57:07,150
And Brandon, our deputy finance
director, he had a ton of input

1982
01:57:07,150 --> 01:57:10,350
in this about the kind of
questions that he hears

1983
01:57:10,350 --> 01:57:13,870
and what's important from
what he hears from the public

1984
01:57:13,870 --> 01:57:18,750
and what auditors
and the say so.

1985
01:57:18,750 --> 01:57:21,870
And then I would say, going
back to strategic planning,

1986
01:57:21,870 --> 01:57:25,690
some of the questions were
we report on our revenues,

1987
01:57:25,690 --> 01:57:28,870
but we're not necessarily
except for once a year

1988
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:31,280
reporting on what the
total expenses are.

1989
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,740
And so being able to see
revenues and expenses together

1990
01:57:34,740 --> 01:57:37,760
on a quarterly basis
throughout the year creates,

1991
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,320
creates a lot of
additional transparency,

1992
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,000
but also ability to
measure where we're at.

1993
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,880
And then we'll have the
ability to add some narrative,

1994
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,980
because sometimes
there's certain larger

1995
01:57:51,980 --> 01:57:54,720
expenses that we have that only
happen in the fourth quarter.

1996
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:58,060
So it might look, or there's
some large expenses that happen

1997
01:57:58,060 --> 01:57:59,360
at the beginning of the year.

1998
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,000
So it might look
like, oh, we're out.

1999
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:02,900
So we can add those
types of notes

2000
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:05,420
just like we do in
some of our dashboards

2001
01:58:05,420 --> 01:58:07,420
or the dashboard for
the strategic planning

2002
01:58:07,420 --> 01:58:12,380
update, revenue report,
all those things.

2003
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:16,000
So yeah, my compliments Jay.

2004
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,100
Really and what you just
said, that last piece

2005
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:23,540
about the questions that were
being asked and paying attention

2006
01:58:23,540 --> 01:58:27,300
to that from both staff and
auditors, that shows that

2007
01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:27,960
is clear.

2008
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:31,200
So sincerely my
compliments to staff.

2009
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:32,960
My sincere appreciation
when we talk

2010
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,640
about government transparency.

2011
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,340
This is speaking
directly to that.

2012
01:58:37,340 --> 01:58:40,520
And I sincerely appreciate it,
especially that example just

2013
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:44,400
looking up there at that
the police and fire funding

2014
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,080
and being able to drill down
the fact that this is updated

2015
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,600
quarterly, I think
what this will probably

2016
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:52,960
lead to is a lot better
questions from those

2017
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:54,500
that are really
interested in, hey,

2018
01:58:54,500 --> 01:58:55,920
what's going on with the city.

2019
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,760
How are tax dollars being spent.

2020
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:01,320
And that type of
transparency where they're

2021
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:02,820
like, OK, that's where it's at.

2022
01:59:02,820 --> 01:59:05,000
And then they may ask some
questions that they might not

2023
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:06,300
have ever thought of otherwise.

2024
01:59:06,300 --> 01:59:08,460
So I think this is a great tool.

2025
01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:09,860
I really, really
appreciate this.

2026
01:59:09,860 --> 01:59:13,060
And obviously a lot of work
went into this and it shows.

2027
01:59:13,060 --> 01:59:14,080
So thank you.

2028
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:15,400
Thank you Mary.

2029
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:20,060
Yeah can you scroll to I
guess maybe public safety.

2030
01:59:20,060 --> 01:59:23,960


2031
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:24,660
Downtown yeah.

2032
01:59:24,660 --> 01:59:28,910
Just to the bar comments
I'm wondering like.

2033
01:59:28,910 --> 01:59:33,730
If there would be a way to
add a kind of dashed line,

2034
01:59:33,730 --> 01:59:40,070
just showing where I know spend
is not linear across the year,

2035
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:43,870
but show where this report
is kind of reporting

2036
01:59:43,870 --> 01:59:48,530
to in terms take our adopted
budget divided by 12,

2037
01:59:48,530 --> 01:59:52,830
this is end of May show
where that line would

2038
01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:56,750
be I guess in the budget just
to get a sense for OK fires

2039
01:59:56,750 --> 02:00:01,190
slightly ahead in this quarter
which maybe means there's going

2040
02:00:01,190 --> 02:00:05,750
to be less cost in the last
quarter or something like what

2041
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:11,450
I'm going to get instead of just
saying, yeah, 50% your target.

2042
02:00:11,450 --> 02:00:14,150
Yeah, visually depict
that instead of only

2043
02:00:14,150 --> 02:00:16,270
have it kind of in the tables.

2044
02:00:16,270 --> 02:00:17,770
That was kind of
my thought as well.

2045
02:00:17,770 --> 02:00:19,410
I think this is incredible.

2046
02:00:19,410 --> 02:00:23,950
I think seeing possibly a line
graph that has projected spend

2047
02:00:23,950 --> 02:00:26,610
throughout the year
with an actual spin

2048
02:00:26,610 --> 02:00:29,470
kind of aligned to see
where we're dipping ahead,

2049
02:00:29,470 --> 02:00:31,410
where we're dipping below.

2050
02:00:31,410 --> 02:00:35,290
I think from a public
perspective they could see,

2051
02:00:35,290 --> 02:00:38,650
oh, they've only spent 48%
So there's so much more room

2052
02:00:38,650 --> 02:00:41,670
for these other services,
these other things,

2053
02:00:41,670 --> 02:00:43,010
when in all reality
we might have

2054
02:00:43,010 --> 02:00:44,850
a big spend around the corner.

2055
02:00:44,850 --> 02:00:48,110
So a little better narrative
around that could be helpful.

2056
02:00:48,110 --> 02:00:51,810
But otherwise, I think this
is fantastic between this

2057
02:00:51,810 --> 02:00:54,890
and the sales tax reports
we get and that are going

2058
02:00:54,890 --> 02:00:57,250
on the website, I think it's
just such a great picture

2059
02:00:57,250 --> 02:00:59,690
to paint for our community.

2060
02:00:59,690 --> 02:01:00,230
Yeah, thanks.

2061
02:01:00,230 --> 02:01:02,110
And that's a good suggestions.

2062
02:01:02,110 --> 02:01:04,050
And we could do that.

2063
02:01:04,050 --> 02:01:06,090
And those trend lines
where are you at

2064
02:01:06,090 --> 02:01:10,410
compared to where you should
be at this time of year.

2065
02:01:10,410 --> 02:01:14,330
Yes, we can definitely
work on that.

2066
02:01:14,330 --> 02:01:16,310
Any other questions or
comments from council.

2067
02:01:16,310 --> 02:01:20,530


2068
02:01:20,530 --> 02:01:24,700
All right, we'll move on then
to city council communications.

2069
02:01:24,700 --> 02:01:27,480


2070
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:33,700
We did have one more on just a
brief overview of it's still.

2071
02:01:33,700 --> 02:01:34,540
Oh yeah.

2072
02:01:34,540 --> 02:01:35,180
Yeah I'm sorry.

2073
02:01:35,180 --> 02:01:37,760
I should have thrown
that back to you.

2074
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:39,280
City manager Bennett.

2075
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:40,060
Yeah that's OK.

2076
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:43,400
This will be quick.

2077
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:49,000
We have gone through and updated
all of our financial policies

2078
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:50,300
into one document.

2079
02:01:50,300 --> 02:01:55,600
We've added the debt
policy that was questioned

2080
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:57,520
at a city council meeting.

2081
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:01,040
I think that was questioned
about the state of New York and

2082
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:04,760
the parameters that they used.

2083
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:11,080
I'll say that our policy and the
recommendations on a jet policy

2084
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:16,160
is not quite as prescriptive as.

2085
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:20,040
You can't go over a certain
percentage of your revenues

2086
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:25,980
because they feel that every
organization is different

2087
02:02:25,980 --> 02:02:28,420
with different revenue streams.

2088
02:02:28,420 --> 02:02:34,860
And so the policy that we have
is kind of that talks a lot

2089
02:02:34,860 --> 02:02:37,900
about what we do internally.

2090
02:02:37,900 --> 02:02:39,900
It talks about the
role of council

2091
02:02:39,900 --> 02:02:46,540
and when we bring that to
you, and what kind of debt

2092
02:02:46,540 --> 02:02:47,740
can we even bring.

2093
02:02:47,740 --> 02:02:50,920
It's long term financing
for capital projects.

2094
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:53,940
I think I mentioned that
I'm going to ask a sales

2095
02:02:53,940 --> 02:02:55,240
tax for general government.

2096
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:57,540
We don't just go get
a debt because we're

2097
02:02:57,540 --> 02:02:59,560
facing a structural
those kind of things.

2098
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:04,080
And what type of
debt would it be.

2099
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,980
Would it be a CLP and why.

2100
02:03:05,980 --> 02:03:09,180
But all of this stuff is
a framework that we then

2101
02:03:09,180 --> 02:03:11,940
bring to council to decide.

2102
02:03:11,940 --> 02:03:15,100
But one of the things
that the policy, the more

2103
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:20,560
prescriptive part is where they
talk about what percentage,

2104
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,180
but how much debt is too much.

2105
02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:26,200
And is it based on how much
revenue that your government's

2106
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:27,440
receiving.

2107
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:32,760
And even S&P stopped
doing it that way.

2108
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:34,200
Measuring it that way
because there's so

2109
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:38,000
many variables that go into it.

2110
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:42,760
But a rule of thumb that
will start that I think

2111
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:44,280
would be important
that we should

2112
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:47,500
it's bringing this to you
as part of the policy,

2113
02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:49,980
not just where we're at.

2114
02:03:49,980 --> 02:03:51,800
Like, what would
this debt do compared

2115
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:53,840
to where we're at from revenue.

2116
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:57,140
And for example, below
10% is commonly viewed.

2117
02:03:57,140 --> 02:04:00,400
This is from the
GFOA commonly viewed

2118
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:03,960
as conservative debt burden.

2119
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:07,900
A 10 to 15 suggests debt
should receive closer scrutiny,

2120
02:04:07,900 --> 02:04:12,000
and above 15% to 20% often
raises concerns about reduced

2121
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,360
budget flexibility.

2122
02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:16,380
The cities right now are.

2123
02:04:16,380 --> 02:04:22,830
Our debt burden is
7.96% of revenues.

2124
02:04:22,830 --> 02:04:28,970
However, if we had two
Rios we're paying it.

2125
02:04:28,970 --> 02:04:36,830
So if I include that it goes
to 8.59% even though that's a.

2126
02:04:36,830 --> 02:04:39,970
Not considered necessarily
city of Grand Junction debt.

2127
02:04:39,970 --> 02:04:41,010
But we're paying it.

2128
02:04:41,010 --> 02:04:45,770
So from that standpoint,
we do have a policy.

2129
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:47,650
It's several pages long.

2130
02:04:47,650 --> 02:04:51,510


2131
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:54,090
And this is I'll just
go just show you the.

2132
02:04:54,090 --> 02:04:56,710


2133
02:04:56,710 --> 02:04:59,410
That didn't change right.

2134
02:04:59,410 --> 02:05:06,710


2135
02:05:06,710 --> 02:05:10,830
Probably so can you adopt that
policy one that you saw in there

2136
02:05:10,830 --> 02:05:12,930
are the financial policies.

2137
02:05:12,930 --> 02:05:17,530
Is that able to be
shared or was it

2138
02:05:17,530 --> 02:05:23,490
financial policies
is on the same page.

2139
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:27,570
When you set up the
quarterly financial report,

2140
02:05:27,570 --> 02:05:29,610
it was on that same.

2141
02:05:29,610 --> 02:05:31,030
You said, oh, that's not it.

2142
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:35,930
And then you went to the
next tab that I'm sharing.

2143
02:05:35,930 --> 02:05:37,030
OK OK.

2144
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:40,530


2145
02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:41,950
I'll talk to it.

2146
02:05:41,950 --> 02:05:45,450
It's really we talk about
the purpose of debt.

2147
02:05:45,450 --> 02:05:50,970
And again, this is a lot of
internal stuff for our staff.

2148
02:05:50,970 --> 02:05:55,770
Amen OK.

2149
02:05:55,770 --> 02:05:58,290
So I did Mike did it.

2150
02:05:58,290 --> 02:05:59,510
Mike, it's on your computer.

2151
02:05:59,510 --> 02:06:02,850


2152
02:06:02,850 --> 02:06:05,250
Again, we don't have to
go through this, but.

2153
02:06:05,250 --> 02:06:06,270
No, this is staff.

2154
02:06:06,270 --> 02:06:10,410
What are we using debt for.

2155
02:06:10,410 --> 02:06:14,250
The scope of this policy.

2156
02:06:14,250 --> 02:06:15,820
The responsibilities.

2157
02:06:15,820 --> 02:06:23,120


2158
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:25,600
Most of this is
really common sense

2159
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:32,240
that any prudent
municipality is going to use.

2160
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:35,120
I think ultimately we
can't go issue debt

2161
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:39,120
without coming to council
and explaining why

2162
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:41,760
we're doing the debt issuance.

2163
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:47,000
Our recommendation a lot of
this is framed around just that.

2164
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,960
What do we bring.

2165
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,280
Have we done have we
evaluated financing

2166
02:06:52,280 --> 02:06:54,800
alternatives, for instance.

2167
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:58,640
The financial analysis
that supports the debt.

2168
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:00,640
Those kind of things
are in the policy

2169
02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:05,260
that we're doing as staff to
bring to the city council.

2170
02:07:05,260 --> 02:07:07,600
That makes you better
decision makers

2171
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:11,800
when it comes to that, including
the kind of that percentage

2172
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:16,300
of our total revenues.

2173
02:07:16,300 --> 02:07:21,040
We talk about there's
an internal controls,

2174
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:28,860
as I mentioned financing methods
general obligation bonds.

2175
02:07:28,860 --> 02:07:33,620
Refunding of debt
credit ratings.

2176
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:35,960
How we handle the bond proceeds.

2177
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:37,500
That's in the policy.

2178
02:07:37,500 --> 02:07:40,060
And continuing disclosure.

2179
02:07:40,060 --> 02:07:42,980
What we have to do from
a reporting standpoint

2180
02:07:42,980 --> 02:07:52,700
to the MSB, who's the regulatory
agency or bond issuances

2181
02:07:52,700 --> 02:07:55,140
and then reporting on that debt.

2182
02:07:55,140 --> 02:07:57,360
And that's pretty
much it for the desk.

2183
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:58,400
But we do have one.

2184
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:01,660
It's in writing.

2185
02:08:01,660 --> 02:08:06,060
That's how it's
framed for us to use.

2186
02:08:06,060 --> 02:08:09,020
Any questions on that.

2187
02:08:09,020 --> 02:08:10,120
Council Kennedy.

2188
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:11,420
Yeah, just one quick one.

2189
02:08:11,420 --> 02:08:14,663
I just one of the things that
and I know it's not currently

2190
02:08:14,663 --> 02:08:15,930
in place, but one
of the things I just

2191
02:08:15,930 --> 02:08:18,250
wanted to be careful of because
there's some conversation

2192
02:08:18,250 --> 02:08:21,530
around when this policy was
first being talked about,

2193
02:08:21,530 --> 02:08:25,130
is it just going to
limit the city's ability

2194
02:08:25,130 --> 02:08:29,330
to utilize every financing
option that's available to us

2195
02:08:29,330 --> 02:08:32,170
out there, like certificates
of participation and things

2196
02:08:32,170 --> 02:08:32,950
like that.

2197
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:36,410
So I just if there is a time
that we consider that that's

2198
02:08:36,410 --> 02:08:38,197
just something I think that
we need to be careful of

2199
02:08:38,197 --> 02:08:39,330
is to make sure
that we're keeping

2200
02:08:39,330 --> 02:08:41,970
all options on the
table to keep ourselves

2201
02:08:41,970 --> 02:08:44,650
as agile as we can financially.

2202
02:08:44,650 --> 02:08:47,550
That's why we didn't
make this prescriptive,

2203
02:08:47,550 --> 02:08:51,810
so to speak, to where
you must do it this way.

2204
02:08:51,810 --> 02:08:55,650
We're keeping all
those this is what

2205
02:08:55,650 --> 02:08:59,930
this does is keeps everything,
all those options open.

2206
02:08:59,930 --> 02:09:05,610
It's very, very high level.

2207
02:09:05,610 --> 02:09:08,890
Any other council
comments or questions.

2208
02:09:08,890 --> 02:09:10,190
Did you have anything
to add to that.

2209
02:09:10,190 --> 02:09:12,030
City manager Bennett.

2210
02:09:12,030 --> 02:09:13,750
I would just say
that in addition

2211
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:17,190
to keeping the flexibility, it
does provide some structure so

2212
02:09:17,190 --> 02:09:21,110
that when we are bringing
a recommendation for taking

2213
02:09:21,110 --> 02:09:22,990
on debt, that there are
very specific things

2214
02:09:22,990 --> 02:09:24,550
we cover as a whole.

2215
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:29,270
We look at the total debt,
not just that visually

2216
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:32,870
and how we look at are we
staying with under that

2217
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:36,150
10% It's not keeping us there.

2218
02:09:36,150 --> 02:09:38,290
But we at least should
be making a decision,

2219
02:09:38,290 --> 02:09:42,510
knowingly understanding if
we were to go beyond that.

2220
02:09:42,510 --> 02:09:45,510
Also what the schedules
are I mean, just

2221
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:50,310
making sure that we are
covering the full aspect of how

2222
02:09:50,310 --> 02:09:54,670
that particular any new debt
affects the total budget

2223
02:09:54,670 --> 02:09:56,350
or any other debt that we have.

2224
02:09:56,350 --> 02:09:58,390
Everything's on a
different schedule.

2225
02:09:58,390 --> 02:10:00,630
Sometimes new debt
as well is totally

2226
02:10:00,630 --> 02:10:04,750
tied to a fully funded,
approved, voter approved revenue

2227
02:10:04,750 --> 02:10:06,590
that's going to cover
that versus something

2228
02:10:06,590 --> 02:10:08,410
like a certificate
of participation,

2229
02:10:08,410 --> 02:10:11,810
where we're saying we're
going to take existing revenue

2230
02:10:11,810 --> 02:10:15,910
and dedicate it to a new payment
without a new source of revenue.

2231
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:17,890
So being able to
dissect all that

2232
02:10:17,890 --> 02:10:21,330
and make sure we're considering
before we make those decisions

2233
02:10:21,330 --> 02:10:25,390
is really the basis of this and
following those best practices,

2234
02:10:25,390 --> 02:10:29,370
so that we're making sure we're
analyzing the whole and not

2235
02:10:29,370 --> 02:10:32,430
just one of any particular.

2236
02:10:32,430 --> 02:10:35,443


2237
02:10:35,443 --> 02:10:36,710
Well, thank you so
much for listening.

2238
02:10:36,710 --> 02:10:40,530
I think that's great for both
council and the public to hear,

2239
02:10:40,530 --> 02:10:43,730
considering some of the
questions we have had recently.

2240
02:10:43,730 --> 02:10:47,130
With that being said, we will
now move on to council, our city

2241
02:10:47,130 --> 02:10:48,970
council communications.

2242
02:10:48,970 --> 02:10:51,290
It's an unstructured
time for council members

2243
02:10:51,290 --> 02:10:53,570
to discuss current
matters, share ideas

2244
02:10:53,570 --> 02:10:56,410
for possible future
consideration by council,

2245
02:10:56,410 --> 02:10:58,050
and provide
information from board

2246
02:10:58,050 --> 02:11:01,010
and commission participation.

2247
02:11:01,010 --> 02:11:02,790
Council Member staff I just.

2248
02:11:02,790 --> 02:11:07,220
This isn't about Gordon
or community liaison,

2249
02:11:07,220 --> 02:11:08,060
communication, anything.

2250
02:11:08,060 --> 02:11:10,520
But I was.

2251
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:14,640
I have to go to the East
Coast for work on the week

2252
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:20,840
of September 13 13th of Sunday,
so the week of September

2253
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:25,260
14 and was supposed to be back.

2254
02:11:25,260 --> 02:11:26,720
I had a flight
back for Wednesday

2255
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:28,420
that would have gotten me
in at Wednesday at noon.

2256
02:11:28,420 --> 02:11:31,080
And instead I have another
thing that I have to do for work

2257
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:32,300
that's going to keep me there.

2258
02:11:32,300 --> 02:11:34,380
And it involves an
evening component.

2259
02:11:34,380 --> 02:11:38,480
So I'm not going to be here for
the I'm not going to be here

2260
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:42,160
nor be able to call in for
the September 16 meeting.

2261
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:45,420
I did my did everything I could
to try to be here for that,

2262
02:11:45,420 --> 02:11:49,840
but work obligations won't
allow it this time around.

2263
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:52,200
Does that include the 14th
workshop as well that I

2264
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:54,120
haven't figured out
yet that we're still

2265
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:57,820
building the schedule
for my time there,

2266
02:11:57,820 --> 02:11:59,140
and I'm not entirely sure.

2267
02:11:59,140 --> 02:12:00,900
We're obviously a two
hour time difference,

2268
02:12:00,900 --> 02:12:03,380
so I'm going to do what I
can to be here on the 14th.

2269
02:12:03,380 --> 02:12:09,140
But the 16th is definitely
fully completed the whole day.

2270
02:12:09,140 --> 02:12:10,620
Council Member Kennedy.

2271
02:12:10,620 --> 02:12:11,920
Yeah, just a few things.

2272
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:16,580
I just wanted to let council
know that the Mesa County

2273
02:12:16,580 --> 02:12:20,860
commissioners appointed me as
their Colorado Basin roundtable,

2274
02:12:20,860 --> 02:12:22,700
Mesa County municipal rep.

2275
02:12:22,700 --> 02:12:26,420
So I've been going to
Glenwood and/or remoting

2276
02:12:26,420 --> 02:12:28,680
into the Colorado Basin
roundtable meetings.

2277
02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:32,220
It's a lot of water
policy discussion.

2278
02:12:32,220 --> 02:12:34,340
State engineer is involved.

2279
02:12:34,340 --> 02:12:37,440
We have conversations around
Shoshone and some other things.

2280
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:40,640
So it's a great thing
to be involved with.

2281
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:43,660
So I'll certainly be sharing
some additional information

2282
02:12:43,660 --> 02:12:44,660
from that.

2283
02:12:44,660 --> 02:12:47,940
And along those lines
of water as well.

2284
02:12:47,940 --> 02:12:52,500
I just want to mention that
the annual water seminar is

2285
02:12:52,500 --> 02:12:57,420
coming up on September
18 for the Colorado

2286
02:12:57,420 --> 02:12:58,600
River district puts on.

2287
02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:02,880
So if any of you are interested
in available on September 18,

2288
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:03,530
tink.

2289
02:13:03,530 --> 02:13:06,890
I think Scott's been there with
me the last couple of years.

2290
02:13:06,890 --> 02:13:09,790
But if more, if some of
us are going to be there,

2291
02:13:09,790 --> 02:13:14,490
we might as well put that on
our just agendize it so public

2292
02:13:14,490 --> 02:13:15,850
knows that we're there.

2293
02:13:15,850 --> 02:13:18,050
And then last thing
I wanted to mention

2294
02:13:18,050 --> 02:13:22,970
is I went on a ride along
last week with Sergeant Ansell

2295
02:13:22,970 --> 02:13:25,610
and one of his crew
teams got Dearborn,

2296
02:13:25,610 --> 02:13:31,130
and we were in the side by side
and did the riverfront area.

2297
02:13:31,130 --> 02:13:34,290
I'm going to share a
few pictures via email

2298
02:13:34,290 --> 02:13:37,450
with everybody, just so they
get an idea of some of the stuff

2299
02:13:37,450 --> 02:13:38,270
that's happening on.

2300
02:13:38,270 --> 02:13:40,570
We're kind of on from
Watson all the way down

2301
02:13:40,570 --> 02:13:44,270
to the area behind the skating
rink, kind of behind bananas.

2302
02:13:44,270 --> 02:13:47,130
So just an update for
where we're at there.

2303
02:13:47,130 --> 02:13:51,210
I thought it was very helpful,
but I have to pay my compliments

2304
02:13:51,210 --> 02:13:53,490
to Stan and his team.

2305
02:13:53,490 --> 02:13:55,370
Super respectful.

2306
02:13:55,370 --> 02:13:57,090
So professional.

2307
02:13:57,090 --> 02:13:59,130
Treat, treat people
with dignity.

2308
02:13:59,130 --> 02:14:02,070
But also for some
of the situations

2309
02:14:02,070 --> 02:14:05,630
that with a bunch of
pitbulls off leash, where

2310
02:14:05,630 --> 02:14:07,830
he was just safe.

2311
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:12,090
But communicated effectively and
was just he was professional.

2312
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:13,850
I think he represented
us very well.

2313
02:14:13,850 --> 02:14:16,890
But I just wanted to
share that with council.

2314
02:14:16,890 --> 02:14:18,550
So you kind of know
what's going on there.

2315
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:19,590
Great thank you.

2316
02:14:19,590 --> 02:14:22,430
Anything council member Nguyen.

2317
02:14:22,430 --> 02:14:24,790
Council Member balthus.

2318
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:27,330
It's probably under
the workshop topics,

2319
02:14:27,330 --> 02:14:32,150
but there continues to be
conversation and concern

2320
02:14:32,150 --> 02:14:35,390
about flock cameras.

2321
02:14:35,390 --> 02:14:39,670
So I think we had requested it.

2322
02:14:39,670 --> 02:14:40,550
Come on up.

2323
02:14:40,550 --> 02:14:42,370
Yeah all right.

2324
02:14:42,370 --> 02:14:44,870
I've got a couple
different things.

2325
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:50,330
I had a DDA meeting
this last week,

2326
02:14:50,330 --> 02:14:55,750
and some issues have come
up with the terminal project

2327
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:57,990
as they've been running
their vibratory roller

2328
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:59,430
across the site.

2329
02:14:59,430 --> 02:15:01,020
Some of the
neighboring businesses

2330
02:15:01,020 --> 02:15:02,740
had started to
complain about the wall

2331
02:15:02,740 --> 02:15:07,780
shaking and plaster falling from
the ceilings, which really gave

2332
02:15:07,780 --> 02:15:10,780
them some concern going
into the next phase

2333
02:15:10,780 --> 02:15:13,220
where they were
going to be hammering

2334
02:15:13,220 --> 02:15:15,260
the pillars, pile pillars.

2335
02:15:15,260 --> 02:15:17,340
I think they're
called into the ground

2336
02:15:17,340 --> 02:15:21,180
where it could cause substantial
vibration throughout that site.

2337
02:15:21,180 --> 02:15:23,420
Because of that, they've
decided that's probably

2338
02:15:23,420 --> 02:15:26,060
not the best route forward.

2339
02:15:26,060 --> 02:15:28,960
So they are going to be
moving to a helical pier,

2340
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,220
is what they call it,
essentially drilling

2341
02:15:31,220 --> 02:15:34,420
the pier down into the
ground, which should create

2342
02:15:34,420 --> 02:15:37,140
far less vibration on the site.

2343
02:15:37,140 --> 02:15:38,620
With that being said,
it's going to be

2344
02:15:38,620 --> 02:15:42,940
about an additional $500,000,
it sounds like, to the project.

2345
02:15:42,940 --> 02:15:46,400
So that should be coming through
to council relatively soon,

2346
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:50,140
I think, as a supplemental
appropriation.

2347
02:15:50,140 --> 02:15:54,100
Then on the business
incubator side, as many

2348
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:58,600
of the Department of Energy is
moving out to horizon drive.

2349
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:00,920
It sounds like they plan
on completing that move

2350
02:16:00,920 --> 02:16:03,520
by the end of next year.

2351
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:05,240
With that happening,
that kind of

2352
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,800
creates a situation for
the business incubator

2353
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:09,720
where they're no
longer going to be

2354
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:12,480
feasible to care for
that site and financially

2355
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:14,320
be able to handle that site.

2356
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:18,720
So they are looking at some
options to move currently.

2357
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:25,440
But they have asked the RTC
about the possibility of RTC

2358
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:28,440
signing over the land, deeding
over the land to the business

2359
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:32,840
incubator so that they
can use that as leverage,

2360
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:36,080
looking forward to
their next projects.

2361
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,240
So I think that's going to
be coming to council here

2362
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:41,080
before too long as they iron out
some of the details with that

2363
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:41,920
as well.

2364
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,820
But I'm hugely supportive
of that project.

2365
02:16:44,820 --> 02:16:47,760
I think the business incubator
is paid for that property

2366
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:51,240
time and time again in equity
to our community and impact

2367
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:52,559
in our community.

2368
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,920
So I look forward to the future
of the business incubator

2369
02:16:55,920 --> 02:17:00,980
in a more visible location, and
hopefully something on that side

2370
02:17:00,980 --> 02:17:02,820
as well.

2371
02:17:02,820 --> 02:17:06,660
Beyond that, that's all I've
got on council communications.

2372
02:17:06,660 --> 02:17:07,900
Did you have anything,
council member

2373
02:17:07,900 --> 02:17:11,620
Ballard I don't thank you.

2374
02:17:11,620 --> 02:17:12,480
All right.

2375
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:15,900
With that, we will move
into next workshop topics

2376
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:18,980
and we'll turn it back over
to City manager Bennett.

2377
02:17:18,980 --> 02:17:19,559
All right.

2378
02:17:19,559 --> 02:17:22,660
At the September
14 meeting, we have

2379
02:17:22,660 --> 02:17:25,420
an update on the
water supply element

2380
02:17:25,420 --> 02:17:26,920
of our comprehensive plan.

2381
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:28,799
It's a requirement
from the state.

2382
02:17:28,799 --> 02:17:33,180
We've been working on it
actually doesn't ironically

2383
02:17:33,180 --> 02:17:34,639
doesn't take council action.

2384
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:37,299
But we want to just
give council an overview

2385
02:17:37,299 --> 02:17:41,780
of that before we finish
the process with the state.

2386
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:43,760
And that added piece.

2387
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:46,660
So the city manager's office,
working with the utility

2388
02:17:46,660 --> 02:17:48,860
department and
community development

2389
02:17:48,860 --> 02:17:50,120
have been working on that.

2390
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:52,440
So we'll do an overview of that.

2391
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,610
We have our discussion
on local preference

2392
02:17:54,610 --> 02:17:57,150
with procurement that night.

2393
02:17:57,150 --> 02:18:00,410
And we also will bring
a discussion related

2394
02:18:00,410 --> 02:18:02,490
to a recommendation we
want to bring to council

2395
02:18:02,490 --> 02:18:05,370
for a possible policy
related to data

2396
02:18:05,370 --> 02:18:10,150
centers and potential moratorium
on that type of development.

2397
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:12,430
So we have those for sure.

2398
02:18:12,430 --> 02:18:14,889
There's a couple other items
that have been mentioned earlier

2399
02:18:14,889 --> 02:18:19,410
that we're trying to line up if
able on that night to squeeze

2400
02:18:19,410 --> 02:18:22,770
in there because
we're going to we'll

2401
02:18:22,770 --> 02:18:26,530
definitely be fully focused
on budget during October

2402
02:18:26,530 --> 02:18:30,049
and possibly that first
meeting in November,

2403
02:18:30,049 --> 02:18:34,530
we did have a request based on
what we talked about tonight

2404
02:18:34,530 --> 02:18:38,889
and with the first
workshop on October 5,

2405
02:18:38,889 --> 02:18:42,010
we anticipate that there's
going to be quite a bit

2406
02:18:42,010 --> 02:18:44,250
to walk through in
that proposed budget

2407
02:18:44,250 --> 02:18:48,330
and likely some added
discussion and added work

2408
02:18:48,330 --> 02:18:50,170
that we'll need to
put in before we come

2409
02:18:50,170 --> 02:18:52,410
back to that next workshop.

2410
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:55,030
And so Jay and his
team have asked

2411
02:18:55,030 --> 02:19:00,850
that if it works for council, we
would love to bump the October

2412
02:19:00,850 --> 02:19:06,309
19, which is the third
Monday in October

2413
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:08,330
workshop to the following week.

2414
02:19:08,330 --> 02:19:11,530
So it would be the
26, Monday the 26th.

2415
02:19:11,530 --> 02:19:16,070
So just rescheduling
our October 19 budget

2416
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:19,750
workshop to October
26, but we didn't

2417
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:21,690
want to move forward with that.

2418
02:19:21,690 --> 02:19:23,790
If that causes if
for some reason

2419
02:19:23,790 --> 02:19:25,670
we've got a number
of council not able

2420
02:19:25,670 --> 02:19:28,790
to attend because we definitely
want the group there.

2421
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:30,910
But knowing we're probably
going to need more time

2422
02:19:30,910 --> 02:19:34,830
in between those two with
the level of discussion

2423
02:19:34,830 --> 02:19:36,950
we're going to be having.

2424
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:40,090
Anybody have a concern
over that at the moment.

2425
02:19:40,090 --> 02:19:42,830
Looking there's a
very, very small chance

2426
02:19:42,830 --> 02:19:43,969
of going to a conference.

2427
02:19:43,969 --> 02:19:45,570
But at this point
it's not confirmed.

2428
02:19:45,570 --> 02:19:49,530
And I'm not feeling confident
that it will happen.

2429
02:19:49,530 --> 02:19:55,440
The other reminder is that
assuming we move that to the 26,

2430
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:59,480
but the October 5 and October
26, as we've done in the past,

2431
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:04,540
we would start those earlier at
4:04 PM and to have more hours

2432
02:20:04,540 --> 02:20:07,780
in that evening to really comb
through the detail that will

2433
02:20:07,780 --> 02:20:09,920
be presenting and discussing.

2434
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:14,660
So four o'clock PM,
October 5 and ninth and 26.

2435
02:20:14,660 --> 02:20:19,740
We'll keep the second open
for any kind of last minute,

2436
02:20:19,740 --> 02:20:23,240
last minute or of after
those two workshops,

2437
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:25,940
if we have to revisit anything.

2438
02:20:25,940 --> 02:20:27,040
For the time being.

2439
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:31,140
Otherwise, we'll start adding in
some of those to be determined

2440
02:20:31,140 --> 02:20:34,800
or to be scheduled items
that we have on the list.

2441
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,500
So that's all I
have for tonight.

2442
02:20:36,500 --> 02:20:37,980
That's going to be fun.

2443
02:20:37,980 --> 02:20:38,900
All right.

2444
02:20:38,900 --> 02:20:41,700
With that, let's move
into other business.

2445
02:20:41,700 --> 02:20:43,780
Request for proclamations.

2446
02:20:43,780 --> 02:20:45,580
The first one being
the International

2447
02:20:45,580 --> 02:20:47,080
Overdose Awareness day.

2448
02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:48,960
And that's a social
proclamation.

2449
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:54,680
Nation do we have a staff
presentation on that

2450
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:57,760
or is that just conversation
amongst council.

2451
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:02,320
Is everybody comfortable with
that as a social proclamation

2452
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:04,520
motion.

2453
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:05,860
Seeing lots of head nods.

2454
02:21:05,860 --> 02:21:09,200
So with that, we will
move to another request

2455
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:10,540
for proclamation.

2456
02:21:10,540 --> 02:21:13,760
And that is white Cane Day,
another social proclamation.

2457
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:17,680
We've done this one for years,
seeing lots of nods on that

2458
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:18,180
as well.

2459
02:21:18,180 --> 02:21:20,320
So I think we're
good on that front.

2460
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:23,200
And then to wrap things up, we
will be with the Grand Junction

2461
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:26,200
housing authority
interview team discussion

2462
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:30,000
on recommended appointment.

2463
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,720
That was me, Laurel.

2464
02:21:31,720 --> 02:21:34,600
Yes, we did the
interviews last Tuesday.

2465
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:39,160
We only had two
applicants for one spot,

2466
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:45,680
and we ultimately decided
to appoint Randall based

2467
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:49,990
on the input from the chair.

2468
02:21:49,990 --> 02:21:55,790
He basically they were both
super qualified, but kind of

2469
02:21:55,790 --> 02:22:00,730
leans towards Randall because
of the social work aspect,

2470
02:22:00,730 --> 02:22:04,310
because they're the
other candidate had

2471
02:22:04,310 --> 02:22:06,410
more of a financial background.

2472
02:22:06,410 --> 02:22:09,370
And there's I guess based on the
makeup of the board right now,

2473
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:11,350
there is a lot of that.

2474
02:22:11,350 --> 02:22:14,830
So both Laurel and
the board chair

2475
02:22:14,830 --> 02:22:17,610
were most comfortable
with appointing Randall.

2476
02:22:17,610 --> 02:22:20,190
So that's what.

2477
02:22:20,190 --> 02:22:22,117
And just to make sure
that everything's clear,

2478
02:22:22,117 --> 02:22:22,850
we're talking Randall.

2479
02:22:22,850 --> 02:22:26,110
Yeah Yeah that's great.

2480
02:22:26,110 --> 02:22:29,270
Any other questions or
comments about that.

2481
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:30,830
All right.

2482
02:22:30,830 --> 02:22:32,530
Check back in with
city manager Bennett.

2483
02:22:32,530 --> 02:22:34,990
Did you have anything to add on.

2484
02:22:34,990 --> 02:22:35,650
All right.

2485
02:22:35,650 --> 02:22:38,160
With that, we are adjourned.

2486
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:47,000