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All right. All right. Well, hi, everybody. Hello. The doctor had one thing. I listen to that. I am

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saying I have to enter. It's evident that you're dead. I'm going to keep it up. Actually,

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I wouldn't say anything. I keep in the colleague number of years every host that's likely

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I think that's a perfect job, I'm like candy this time.

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That's right.

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Still be on your fast.

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It's a kind of day.

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There's letters.

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Well, that will as I could finish.

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I think the first update is on the consultant, consultant update.

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So the, the, the vendor we got and we accepted and we could go shade and say contract with this with KLJ.

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KLJ, um, they had a, the first proposal was a little bit loose and looking back.

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So a lot of that was good.

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The way that we put the RFP, a little of several methods and guesses this and things.

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We made some refinement. I would say my high-level KLJ actually has a lot of, they have a lot of the people that will be involved in the project, but we're involved in creating a lot of the code that we'll be looking at.

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And so we did have like the sacred cow concern I would for take care of this credit they all that out early in the process and they're basically just creating out there right in there that basically at any time.

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If we think that there's bias they will swap those people out with other people in different position.

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So we thought one that they were up front with that and the other thing is that they actually

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do have a benefit of people that actually know the code.

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So when we're talking about issues, and we're saying what the issue is next, we know

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we're going to find it.

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So we think that we thought it was like also what isn't it great that there's actually

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somebody local that could do this because any every other instance is somebody from out of town.

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And that that also hasn't served our community that well, so

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anyways, I hope we feel comfortable. And what I do, certainly, move forward,

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sitting out of your, you know, back seat ultimately, there are lots of forests,

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you manage your nice, good, very direct about what we're what we're going to do. These are the

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recommendations that are coming forward that we're not going to be playing the all the

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alternate standard like opinion coming from the different solvents type of thing.

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Those conversations are likely with their bit.

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So I think that's really good.

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There's an alignment. We want to simplify the code. We want to create something that

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encourages what we want and not not opens up on everything that we don't want.

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So we do have Ron and Kim online.

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Um, I'm always going to give us a recommendation for a dentist after all of this.

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I know, right?

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A little overboard. It's because I had an interest in word meeting.

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Like strategic crayon. You see really a lot of people see strategic.

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They were in a sandwich.

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You guys with beneficiaries.

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So, okay, the good news is you guys aren't going to hear me talk as clearly as much.

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Kevin and Keith get most of the marker time this agenda.

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But Kevin and Keith, Mike and I met a couple of times in the last couple weeks

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and we were trying to get our head around the next part of this process,

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which is a lot to switch to the recommendation, the harder to come up with.

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It's easy to make a good point about the problem.

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It's hard to come up with the recommendations and put order to them.

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And so I think keeping and I'm going to do a great job of trying to figure out how to do that.

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But we thought it would be helpful to have some context of what we kind of see as an outline of a final fact.

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So because we want to spend more time with what she think.

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Kevin, I'm going to talk about today. This is a quick overview.

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And then comments you could share another time.

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Yeah. So, um, so just the outline, we start with like the purpose and contents, okay, I see. Right. This is a kind of big picture.

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And I just working on a bunch of stuff that I heard that we need to make sure we say right connections to other documents that the city has.

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The sale of the problem to Ron's point importance of talking about cost and we're discussing housing affordability.

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And I forgot to add a point out cost includes these other things, sizes, direct costs, time,

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yields, and certain day and risk.

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and producing housing in order to move market and then importance of profitability to get

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scale, the disproportionate impact of housing costs on certain members of the community,

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and focus on local action. That's a lot but this is not multiple. And what I

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have been going to suggest for this section is that you guys will trust me to

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just take that up for a strap Saturday, then we can react to it when you

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have something like a channel on the right. And then we move into a problem statement

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and keep the incentive from a really nice work of like just filling all the

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sticky notes and coming up like high worries instead of high worries and be sort of

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to talk about that more, but what we had in mind

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and why it's a problem.

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of all these individual problems that we identify.

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It's here's all of them, that's it.

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us about today is before us, we're really kind of showing you how to get to this section

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And we settled on this idea that there's kind of this, kind of, we don't have any for it

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but like the review, the text, the lens that we should run, not just policy decisions through

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And my mind is not just for housing for me, it is the questions asked for any change.

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So we would kind of leave with that as like a major recommendation.

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that highlights the priorities and gives some level of scale of like, you know, what problem

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it solves and I think that what scale.

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it could address a problem.

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And then we give you a really good idea.

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Well, I'm going to say thank you, Seticians, well.

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get any input on this at any time.

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probably most likely even the immediate thoughts are like,

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I hate this, this terrible idea.

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so then Russ, it's really nice.

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You guys think of any of the things

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that like need to be said in there,

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you know the group or meet out I'll keep you running talisman. I'm going to move this so that

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you keep that so right for it. You can't. You leave it out then. Yeah, take this down whenever you want

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to whiteboard. And so I don't think I really talk again unless you guys want me to be the time

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color at 4.45. What more you can distribute your colored pages?

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Sure, I got it here. So I'm going

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I have got two items here and the first one is really just trying to

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and broke this down here to getting my notes and my meetings on a little bit too, but

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they're relevant finally to be able to update it.

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That's an exciting time for that.

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Kevin, you're on our visit.

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Kevin, it would be nice.

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The little number one where that time was succinct.

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I mean, if you don't, please hit it, it's 6.5, it calls this a scene.

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I did it the other way, very sure.

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So you want a 3-page paper font size 14.

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So look, all this is, you really want to want you to focus on the most,

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is the numbered items in bold.

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Okay, so each color is kind of its own category, right?

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It's own bucket, so to speak.

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So page one is that bucket A.

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It's the process, application reviewed and approved.

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and then actually we're contemplating

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adding a fourth bucket bucket to B.

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So all of the fine print, all that it looks guys,

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it's the city notes.

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We're just kind of like bringing that together

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and show that we've listed these things out.

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it'll start to get Roman.

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So what we found is we got four buckets,

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like the ADC and then underneath those four buckets are these subsections.

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and then it's just the number one is process sequencing.

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out what's about what do we do and when and how does this process, is it can't be congruent

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You can capture all of those processes.

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Obviously, pretty absent something every time.

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You scratch the label, peripheral, whatever they are.

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adjustments, or when survey actually affixed the whole problem now, right, it's something

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outside of the application, but it seems to be, you know, brought in the major responsibility

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of the application. The city internal factors kind of self-explanatory there, you know, trying

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to find out what are shafts, frustrations, what's the capacity limitations, and then quite

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frankly, what did that recent consultant that did the process, I should say? Then it's legal,

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and survey, and it's uncategorized.

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So those are the subsets.

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Flip one over to page 2.

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And I'm potentially freezing during this,

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because I only get to how I'm going to maybe present this next.

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This is really trying to just show that we've captured it.

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We've distilled it down to something that can be synced

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I mean, trying to say out of the angle,

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a lot of the plans and policies would have been a bike and ped plan

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or the manual table or a conflant kind of thing we want to fill it down that way.

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So bucket B is the regulation and code making process.

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So we talk about the items of utilizing local expertise.

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We contemplated adding a fourth or a third subset in there.

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Scratching the one you kind of see circled in red and crossed out,

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which was the impacts of code reactions or regulations.

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That was a list, these were sticking out on there and if anybody put those sticky notes

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trees in 24-rowed-overlay, yeah, they have, basically, how do we apply that here?

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There's a better term for that.

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What we're trying to say is isolate the trade-offs

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and cost element of this.

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you know, that does it work.

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I think you're gonna get trees where are my heavy there,

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Because it was one where we can look at and go,

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hey, this didn't work.

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regardless of its good intention, it didn't work, and so it's kind of that you question up.

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I think that's you going to be here.

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This is Brad.

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It's round one.

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It's round one.

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That's it.

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It's just passing by.

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It's just passing by.

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It's round one.

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It's round one.

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It's round one.

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It's round one.

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And then the third bucket there.

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culture of the code and overreach. And it's got three subsets. Right? If experienced

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applicants within 7 to 5 quickly are consistently struggling, why? And then the seeking those

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sort of applied over that. The inequitable private responsibility for community benefit.

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We can hit on some of those. And then the was it written to address concern instead of

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promoting the positive outcomes, are we writing for what we're sharing them or are we writing

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for what we want? The language can be changed but that's the subset. And then the last bucket

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would be this, and what we struggled with this label, this extra jurisdictional housing challenges

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or extra jurisdictional barriers, I'd say Fed. That's a third party review agencies that do me coordinate

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with county or city, but not, and we can speak to that a little bit.

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So this one was just the sort of the still it down and make sure that we captured the

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sticking-nose, capture everybody's thoughts and then try to organize it into those buckets.

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This next one, this is a not a final prop, in fact a reluctant to even show this to some

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because it doesn't rapidly present as well as say a land-new state-of-the-world door.

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It goes over a constant chart so we'll see.

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Even the appendix is in the biker-pedd class of the expenditure.

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But what I try to do now is down the left side of this.

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We listed all of the sticky notes. So then across the top, we have the same buckets, right, from the previous package. The process application of you and approval,

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about this, we were just briefly listening to bucket 1, 1, 2, 7, bucket 2, 1, 2, 3, memory

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there would be reference. And the idea of this chart is that it lists all of the issues

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that we kind of came up with, but now we go across. And there's going to be these issues

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that hit in several buckets. Because I was one of the things we showed earlier, because all of a sudden

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we had some things that really hit cross multiple buckets. So how do we, how do we depict that?

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And this allowed us to not only depict it well by checking each box that it actually

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invites in, but also then we could sort it really easy to help create kind of a, I don't

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know, either call it diorization or it's weighted, you know, we would sort of sort of, so the list

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of item could be the most exit across it would be up at the top in this list.

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And I think then we really start to show visually that there are areas that cancel and

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and staff can target if it's resources meaningful.

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And the next thing it kind of started to do

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is allow us to add little things in there,

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is this critical of the health and safety,

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and maybe there's more cost thing,

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but we paused and said, if we've got this caption,

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and maybe this is an appendix of bot,

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because it's a long list.

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It allows us to add or subtract or monitor everything

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and if you come across new things, but then more importantly, we can take this and it's

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a reference to what I think I'm ready to turn over to Kevin on sort of a catch-all.

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You could run each of these, this would help us organize and prioritize where to start

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first, and then maybe we can move into the next set for a recommendation, or at least the

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umbrella recommendations is kind of calling it right now.

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and recommendations.

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We might find that we have this central umbrella recommendation that can't be given

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into.

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But then you have this matrix of recommendations, reference as well, so as we move through,

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we can say that these are the items and this is why they're important.

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And this group can decide if that final recommendation is to call out any of them in particular

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that might have a more valid importance even though it does have a bunch of checkmarks on it or not.

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So there. So just before we jump, I just absolutely love that this was all and

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like organized, like that you went to this level to organize it, put it in his bucket.

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And like I might as well see you, like dramatically I maybe would go through with red line,

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but for me it helps. This really captured sort of the essence, despite it without having to get to

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specific about it. I think that's a good point like if you guys are having a chance to

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look through that. Are you agreeing with that because it kind of does go into the next

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to the next step?

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That would only add that like how do you do if you don't get to more final

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and more personal things, and things like that.

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That we would want to be consistent

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about kind of like stating each thing as a problem,

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like not necessarily a solution.

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For example, our staff empowered to use discretion

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for something that's kind of more of a solution,

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but I mean, empower staff to use discretion.

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So some of these things can be re-worded

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and also explained, so they were like,

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oh, we don't have that.

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But this was like, keep it already down

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and you don't want to work to distill this.

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And we should think really much

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of taking up all of these issues.

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because she took 10 graduates and I'll just take a

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bachelor's office and I was in the master's.

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I think we did just a whole list of kids who had graduated eight.

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I don't think that would be a good case.

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But as Kevin moves over to this umbrella recommendation,

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the initial reactions to the lawyer that this is organized

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and this suggestion for that organization.

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I can feel the truth. I like the, it makes a lot of sense on the way, it's all broken out.

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The section would be great if you have an ex out.

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I do think there's something there maybe that we could hold on to other.

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That is also something that there's some that,

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So I'm sure there's probably another place that we can roll back in, if you want to.

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Well, and actually, right, I don't know if we would include that one in our in our document, right?

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It might translate to this and now each of those things is going to be there.

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And however many buckets, it kind of checks on, it kind of raises that on them.

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The total forward overlay I put in process requirements, maybe you wouldn't take that out to fit there.

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Maybe that doesn't say it.

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I guess the reason I would think about putting in process requirements is because it's in the other layer of architectural standards and complexity that might.

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So it needs requirements.

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Yeah, so as soon as you list that on here, now it doesn't matter.

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We're not nobody's debate in which category that's to be in because we just do the box.

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I think it can be bold. It can be bold.

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Yeah, that's kind of what got us to this was regret.

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Was this one right?

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Is that one right?

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It's like, oh, why are we even choose?

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Why are we leaving it?

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What a way to pray that because we just have 24 or really I'm seeking it, I really

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necessarily know that it would be like the existence of an overlay as application, as

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additional requirements.

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And you have to get in the

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remote session and go to meeting.

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I got a text

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a few people and see if someone can fix it, can't.

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Oh, good.

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I'll just hang out.

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Take it.

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with a meeting feed.

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I can only got kicked out, although the session is still going. It's just me and Kim talking to each other. We can't see her here. You guys, not exactly what we had in mind.

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Okay, here it comes back up.

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I can't hear anything.

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Can I hear you, Ron?

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Yeah, I can't hear you.

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There we go.

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There we go.

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Probably those trade-offs are not going to be like this is very important.

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Critical is a keyword play on safety.

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So that would be like a sidewalk.

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That's going to move side a little more.

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So now let's do six foot sidewalks.

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Is it's critical for health and safety?

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Well, well, it's not critical for health and safety.

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It's a comfort issue.

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So that goes down into this category and you know everything in the code is based on critical, it's based on health safety and general welfare.

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General welfare is the loose goosey one that it tends to make our decision making unclear.

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So the general welfare really have to ask why, what problem are we trying to solve and is it necessary?

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So this becomes an important question that you have to answer early in the process.

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If it's critical for health and safety that the answer is because, say, people, it's unsafe practically.

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So in this case, and I'm put pluses in these categories, these become very important.

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These become conversations that you need to search for, and you need to really make answers to.

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localized for keys. We're evolving our localized for keys. We're talking about trade-offs.

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Are we acknowledging the trade-offs in host time? That's the flexibility here.

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And in my other notes I add that it's been known to remember because it's not just

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the private side. It's the public side too because a lot of times we pass, we'll pass something that has

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as a enforcement tradeoff, like recreating staff work, staff time,

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vacating, you know, order to do research, workload, thank you.

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Well, it worked, like this is really important.

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And this was very, very aproposive, the conversation I've got about,

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the truth is, well, it worked.

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It's a practical, it's a legal, it's an enforceable.

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Like those are really important, the question says,

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maybe something maybe something that you want to do and the CID was good like

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these trees need to be expanded in about 10 years we need to expand the water

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around the root zone with this tree. So let's make let's require people to

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plan that into their system but there's no enforcement for the HLA 10 years

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from now and so you have to look at how enforceable is this we're gonna make

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somebody do something that's not going to occur in a way maybe it's going to occur, it's

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like the next path you're talking about, it's going to work on a lot, right?

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So like on sidewalks, you want a six-foot sidewalk, why maybe there's some rationals around

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multiple or there's something and what would be effective in serving that purpose?

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If you acknowledge the trade-offs, and you've had all those

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like purchase missions, and then is it equitable?

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Like that means it's a fair, and when you talk about this a lot,

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development fades all the way.

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But should development pay everybody's way?

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I think there's a point where the long-term really belongs

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to the municipality, and the short-term is on the developer side,

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and that there's always a bug in between those two.

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but you have to have an conversation, which is a fair,

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did that go well.

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And then, what kind of was an on-off?

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And I'm going to say, I think, as a general rule,

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what you've certified, and this is a general,

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because there's no exception.

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So we don't want to call it a hard line.

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But when you're talking, I don't know if it's backwards.

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You're talking critical for open safety.

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That's a regulatory stick. That's a regulatory stick every time.

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We expect that. We want that. We expect that performance quality.

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If it's for the general welfare and prefer to do that,

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these questions about why and the payouts become important.

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This is generally going to lead us to where the carrots.

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Where things are carrots, and that's one that this is one conversation about.

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Should this be an incentive? Should it be a carrot?

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So this was all sort of came about from us

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is trying to come up with one recommendation

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or Paul St. Govay.

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So then we were kind of like testing it out.

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And we were talking, we're going,

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well, does this work for processes?

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So the pre-application process.

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like that was a, right? Is it critical for Elidic? You well, no, it's not. It's not critical. So we started to talk about the Y. So we understand the Y, why we're doing this.

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Well, probably only on the same determinant now that we're moving down this road.

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So we're trying to reduce staff time, we're trying to reduce the applicant time, we're

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trying to create quality that doesn't exist like we've got to find this and then as we

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start going down this, now we're evolving what looks decent, we're talking about Jared

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Lastly.

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The time, we're talking about sequencing, like all these issues that are, the key is to identify this time, but it's enough. And so we, well, we were started to kind of believe, we haven't tested it all the way through, but taking any of our problems. And if you start to run it through this, through this lens. There's a generally come out, but they come out in the other end with at least it's got, it's got a conversation that's built out around it.

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and what we're making a good decision.

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And I can tell you what I've seen,

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and last night was a great example

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of what we currently have from a decision-making.

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And I'm not saying this necessarily has to be qualified.

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Like this is how we do business step of the thing.

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And this is what we'd be setting to counsel with it.

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The fact that what we see is the criteria,

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does it mean the criteria of the comprehensive plan?

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I mean, that was the most recent example.

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And it meets your criteria for the comprehensive plan.

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That has, that is an alignment issue.

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That is literally like the, you have to check these boxes.

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That it does meet this criteria.

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That there's something in the compound that this is addressed.

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Because that is, that is, that is, that is mixed probably.

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Honestly, there probably is a check box here.

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There's probably a check box here for like on the code making site.

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Okay. We also need to be in the conflict. That's a line.

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And so maybe if it doesn't align,

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like, obviously the council has the authority to do the things that they don't paint the lines,

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but they have to rely on bigger conversations.

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So, but you could have the way it is currently and we get into these arguments and it's just

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it's frustrating for both sides of the equation because the criteria has nothing to do with

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whether something works, whether it's fair, whether it's a whether it's a trade-offs like it

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is 100% does this align and it doesn't really set up a very great conversation because you're

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sitting there going to the line, does it not and in a lot of cases something is going to check several

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boxes and it's going to be up to somebody's opinion whether or not it aligns enough or not like that's

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what they're trying to do is make a judgment call on once you check more boxes for your recommendation

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or to be checked more against it because there's checkboxicle.

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So I think that was, this was kind of the outlaw for us is that

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this is kind of an umbrella-ish recommendation.

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And you can also take existing code.

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You can run existing code for this.

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And, you know, thinking about first recent examples of that.

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Well, it becomes does it work?

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Is it fair?

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What are the trade offs?

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These are things that we built in that we recommend to counsel.

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These should be a part of that conversation.

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This is what you should be answering these questions.

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And also the emphasis being critical for health and safety.

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That's going to be more likely to be the stick.

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and care. I don't know. Like we did, we only tested it with like four things on our list.

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I kind of think the accessibility one was also a good one. I think accessibility was

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the thing we're just like, we have to do this.

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Do we look at your lies, look at us for

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a piece? No. No, we just, we interpreted it one way from the state and we said that's how

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have to do it, the way that that got changed was phone calls to I think to a couple of neighbors

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and they said this is how we're doing it and then we realized we don't have to do it that way

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and we know it was causing problems so at first we were treating it like this because it was

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retrieving it like a mandate and which it is it is a mandate so maybe there's this other box for

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by state mandates, but we're retreating it the right way.

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And I bet we could find something like the electrical code is

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like driver degrees would play.

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Why I think we need to be a gas station for like the first

456
00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:42,880
right maybe if we explored that to the slums we would find.

457
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:49,240
Okay, we have some leeway as a community like maybe we don't

458
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:49,660
need to do.

459
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,200
We don't need to go to that level.

460
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:07,520
I think there's a thing that sort of gave caught into it in between and often times it's called best practice.

461
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:16,600
And it's not critical for health and safety. It's not for general welfare, but we hear this like best practice all the time.

462
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:26,680
And that's kind of our aspirational goals for our community, but it doesn't really fit in. So, where would you see something like those?

463
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:27,060
Quarky.

464
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:31,100
Maybe an example.

465
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,460
I'm going to talk about parking lots.

466
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:46,070
I'm going to talk about parking in London, in a parking lot, and how you don't get any parking spaces by the time you're done, but all the parking lot is in.

467
00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:50,330
They're not really necessary for help, but safety.

468
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:53,210
Is there a safety route to help with parking lots?

469
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:54,150
Highlands

470
00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:02,870
help to get snow. You can't see where you're supposed to be parking. And the

471
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:08,830
islands provide an author's immunity to put germs in and to help shield some of the

472
00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:10,770
fastball canopy or the hospital.

473
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,760
And it's aesthetics. And it's with only instance.

474
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,780
So do you need parking in a proper property where you have less than 10 parking spaces?

475
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:26,780
So I can see them in a shop and said, oh, we've got 50 barkies, too.

476
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:32,780
But it seems like they get a little ridiculous in that your toll area allocated to the parking

477
00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:36,780
island is like 30% of the parking.

478
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,540
So that's a good example where we may be drifting.

479
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,720
Well, I can see where we're going to throw out of the hill.

480
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:45,180
It comes in the middle of the family.

481
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,320
I might add to answer your question on how would that play in?

482
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,660
You know, we do it elsewhere and they see their community.

483
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,500
Well, isn't that part of the problem?

484
00:36:54,980 --> 00:37:05,520
We keep doing this and it's been really, it's been part of the pushback often with the

485
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,980
same staff on them.

486
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:08,860
Well, let us find out what others do.

487
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,100
We'll look at other things.

488
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:15,380
But then we go to these places and we look and find out how much they're housing affordability

489
00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:16,100
situation.

490
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,660
What's their demographics?

491
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:20,540
Look at it.

492
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:24,860
And so, what this checklist or this process does, it says,

493
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:26,540
oh, okay, cool ideas.

494
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:30,960
Now, when we run it through here for us, right?

495
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,440
Now, the right kinds of conversations are being had

496
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,660
about what the trade-offs are.

497
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:38,020
And it gives another option, or at least it gives the filter.

498
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,340
If there are any of those ideas that are pulled from other communities,

499
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,540
now come at best management or best practices and say,

500
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:46,960
how does it flow through what we're trying to achieve?

501
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,460
And the beauty of this, sorry,

502
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,480
It's not designed to send you to a result.

503
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
It's not designed to generate the answer.

504
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,960
It's designed to force the conversation in a formal manner.

505
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,880
This could be a first half report on application.

506
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:10,440
You're not going to see this.

507
00:38:10,820 --> 00:38:14,880
But first half reports on code and regulation processes.

508
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Then that should include who kind of went through this sort of process and this is what we

509
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,220
hit in each one of these.

510
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:28,060
Just triggering those conversations in a little honest way, we kind of discussed this half

511
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:28,460
of that.

512
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,140
And then for the other ones that are kind of in between, this doesn't do at all, right?

513
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:40,140
Like when we, when we distill down the items we've listed, then we have that appendix and we've

514
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:44,780
created those buckets and then we start to show how many, you know, how the offices

515
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:51,300
of those things. We now have scenarios where, you know, if you'll have a leak or a survey.

516
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,880
There's no answers. And you can't run some of the stuff that we deal with on legal or survey

517
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,420
for this and really generally. But now we have two things in the city that are involved

518
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:08,000
that we shut the staff or it's a council. And one is we're looking at creating

519
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,140
in analyzing existing code, making changes

520
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:14,080
or creating new code or regulation.

521
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,320
Here's a process.

522
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,660
Some of the existing conditions is, wow, look,

523
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,700
these things funneled down.

524
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:23,140
There's something going on in legal

525
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:25,620
that is a heavy emphasis to being challenged

526
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:28,240
and we need city to participate in finding out

527
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,400
what that is and why, right?

528
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,800
So maybe that's somewhere that catch all starts to come in

529
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,060
And I'm going to be out vibes right here.

530
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:44,500
What I was going to add to that thought was, I think what it could do is say, just coming

531
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:48,940
in and saying, this is the best practice is not enough of a description, because you'd

532
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:52,980
say, well, like, run that best practice through kind of this test and post a conversation.

533
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:57,660
And so that kind of maybe standard thing of like, well, he has best practice, so like, we're

534
00:39:57,660 --> 00:40:02,940
just not going to put it in, if the decision makers at whatever level have the discipline

535
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:05,700
and to say, well, I want to run it through this test,

536
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:07,960
might kind of take away that knee jerk,

537
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,920
sort of justification for things.

538
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,020
I'm kind of anticipating for about that

539
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:15,880
going into the tense, you know,

540
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:17,900
invest in the picture because, like,

541
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:19,980
sign box for example, right?

542
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,020
Is it Elven safety or is it best practice?

543
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,540
Or are they going to say that it's best practice

544
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:28,300
because it's a health and safety issue?

545
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,300
Or is it just a comfort level?

546
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,520
Like, there's so many, you know, okay.

547
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:42,480
For example, you know, I think the home and CT thing was a new idea of the kind of to just kind of say it's I think it's getting a little back to what my friend has to talk about which is.

548
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,280
Um, you know, we can regulate or we can incentivize.

549
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,560
And so this is such as like a third time as it says like this is really critical for a home and safety.

550
00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:53,040
You write, yeah, you're going to regularly do.

551
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,460
But if it's not, well, the next step would be like considering changing an incentive approach

552
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:05,680
instead, or how do you consider an incentive approach instead of this regulatory mandate approach.

553
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:13,580
Because yeah, you could say, and these are all quantitative questions, all quantitative questions

554
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:16,720
is the six-foot sidewalk that's used for health and safety.

555
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,400
Yes, someone will might say it is because I don't want to push in, push in someone in the

556
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:28,260
street, but you're forcing them to answer that question. The other thing I would add is that

557
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:33,660
is I would probably start the analysis with what problem are we trying to solve.

558
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,620
They really focus on that problem because it's what you've brought up a lot, Kevin, which is like

559
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:44,000
these neighborhoods are super popular, we're really attractive. What is the problem? Why are we saying

560
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,040
this one that good enough? We have to now leave the sidewalks twice. So like really many people

561
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,980
will define that problem.

562
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:54,800
Good thing I like about recommending this at every stage

563
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,240
is one, it can be used at every stage of decision making.

564
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:01,900
Number two is that it holds us at level two.

565
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,400
You could run something through this test

566
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,580
and get that trade-off.

567
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:07,800
And the trade-off is where you would say,

568
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:10,980
who pays, who benefits, are those aligned?

569
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,100
Well, what if you had some policy that was like,

570
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,040
the person, it's just benefits

571
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,520
it's just like one property owner and it's one place and who pays all the taxpayers,

572
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,780
or they would catch that, too.

573
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:28,360
So, I think we could phrase it as like, this is a general tool for good public policy in

574
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:28,640
this case.

575
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:29,040
It's not.

576
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:32,200
This is not designed to feed the answer we want.

577
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:40,160
And you could also say, we think this is a tool that you use in every share, not just thousands

578
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,460
of them.

579
00:42:40,460 --> 00:43:03,600
Do you get different answers like you said answering those questions though you do yes, I think like Emily's fire department, if I really like I'm passionate, like I'm fast, fast, that housing, that stuff, right?

580
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:09,140
So it's another kind of thing, like what I value is more important than something else might have been.

581
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,340
I think that it would be the one that I would use.

582
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,380
Like, don't be a movie like this is critical for all the safety in meetings, six-foot sidewalks, get people around.

583
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:27,900
But somebody can also argue that a three-foot is perfectly safe, that the ADA or whatever that is, no.

584
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:36,080
So, you started to find out if there's a counter-arrogate into it, it starts to get into this area.

585
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:46,000
So, no, you're never going to be like perfect, but you're still in either scenario forcing that conversation to get built out.

586
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:53,400
But I think what helps here is that health safety and general welfare have always been

587
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,880
sort of treated as the same thing, so everything goes into that bucket.

588
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:04,500
And the detention ponds is a great example, but we're like arguing that whether grass

589
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:10,060
and the detention ponds and the native type grass that's bumpy is going to provide as much

590
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:17,820
benefit and rocking the pond or slightly more how many find out I mean and I think that that one's

591
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:23,620
coming back in the air there's engineering is going back and saying it's not enough of the benefit

592
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:28,240
that we're going to push it we're going to allow you guys to make that decision but we're not going

593
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:33,440
to get the way if you want to dress it so that's kind of where that like that conversation

594
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,720
and it ended up here because people started to realize,

595
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,720
like that is, this is general welfare

596
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:40,880
and this is pretty well.

597
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,540
So can we get to have a conversation around this?

598
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:46,860
And moreover, it's a really great question

599
00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:50,840
that actually slows us one of the beauties of this design,

600
00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:53,060
is that you go through this process,

601
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,580
there's no point where it takes you out, right?

602
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,020
It's not a, it's not a PN idea,

603
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,760
some manufacturer.

604
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,640
We process or a system out there that eventually sets up fail. You keep going either way. And so if it's whether it's critical or general welfare, all that is giving is the decision makers a chance to look at, is this something that we might say clearly fits into a regulate versus incentivize. And if that's blurry, it's OK. Because it still moves across. And then when you let it when you move through each of these,

605
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:40,060
who member of the stakeholders are, wouldn't it be great if there was a more standardized framework from which to receive responses?

606
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:49,640
And it forces everybody into an element of, okay, like make your takes and here's the things you have to be able to work through.

607
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,740
So it doesn't matter if it's the forestry board or a store preservation or I mean, you name it.

608
00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:04,680
They have a framework from which to provide information or moreover, decision makers have a framework

609
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:11,020
from which to say, I'm looking for these answers and I don't have it. It's the criteria element

610
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:18,960
that we use in our code, but this is more appropriate for regulation and code making process.

611
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:33,020
And make sure to stay about the 820 rule applies if this is probably going to capture the 80% of it and there's going to be that 20% that it's still political practice.

612
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:34,280
I find it interesting.

613
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,680
Yeah, go ahead.

614
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,820
I'll get changed by the use.

615
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,780
Like, if you have a, you know, a parking.

616
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:45,660
Uh, islands in a retail use environment versions.

617
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:46,980
Investions.

618
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:47,720
By retail.

619
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,040
These serves public.

620
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:49,500
Public.

621
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:50,140
I'll be there.

622
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,360
Investment.

623
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,460
I'm just fine.

624
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:53,680
Pretty much private use.

625
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,320
So you don't necessarily need this much of the.

626
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:57,580
Parking items.

627
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:58,180
And she said.

628
00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:00,820
So kind of.

629
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:03,480
There's a clear, the mighty critical one that's, you know,

630
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,680
going down and going, you're not necessarily good enough.

631
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:10,730
Yeah, and I think that's why I had flexible.

632
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:13,290
That was one, like, it's got to be flexible in here

633
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:15,030
at a pair of scalable based on it.

634
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:16,270
And that's kind of what I think is, like,

635
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:19,510
under these questions, we're going to define a little bit.

636
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:23,770
So, like, scalable, like, I thought it was a great one

637
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:25,910
that just came out with the Road to Housing Act.

638
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:29,950
They're making it, they're forcing much to allow

639
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:35,390
the single stairwell on a property bill. It's up to six stores. The goals haven't come out yet,

640
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:40,570
but how it is for forcing that down to one. So that's that's that's the scalable issue.

641
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:46,050
What's up to that Jason went on today. He's been talking about that for a while.

642
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:52,310
That's what we have a single stairwell. But anyway, it's a scale. So we're not going to do that in your

643
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:58,210
10 parking spaces versus 200. Okay, so maybe we don't need a parking island. We've only got 10 spaces

644
00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:04,810
work with like we're trying to figure out how to work uses property but if we're getting 200 okay

645
00:48:04,810 --> 00:48:13,290
we've got parking lot and a little bit of a place for snow etc uh it's tabs and uh the city

646
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:18,930
scored really high in the survey last night we're at the very score really high last year on snow removal

647
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:36,770
I think it's like, if we test things through this but I do believe like, if we're not like,

648
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:43,130
it has to be rigid and has to be exactly this way and everything that means this is definitely

649
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:45,530
a stick like we have to acknowledge it.

650
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:47,130
Like, you're trying to stay going to care.

651
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:49,950
Like, this is going to be a little bit blurry in the middle.

652
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:55,790
But there's also some things that I have to share in things like,

653
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:59,890
what, one little thing would be, like, they changed,

654
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:02,850
but they're like a minor deletion.

655
00:49:03,490 --> 00:49:05,050
There's some stuff that's really small.

656
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:08,850
It's not going to be critical, but it's

657
00:49:08,850 --> 00:49:10,670
going to be like house cleaning and type stuff.

658
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:11,190
They should.

659
00:49:11,310 --> 00:49:13,550
It's like, do we really need to build out?

660
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:20,550
We need to have a stakeholder group to talk about changing the word from single family

661
00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:27,470
to a single unit housing instead of single family like we can't use the word family we're

662
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:27,630
doing.

663
00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:34,350
We need to have a stakeholder group like so, you know, like we have to acknowledge it.

664
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:40,610
This isn't perfect but service is a meeting we were like okay this would be really helpful.

665
00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:46,630
and I also was probably just watching the most recent

666
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:48,330
like public hearing and I was like,

667
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:50,330
and they're so, they're so, so they'll equipped

668
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:52,170
for a decision making.

669
00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:54,330
Is it like what ends up happening?

670
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:56,370
We're only, we don't have any

671
00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:58,630
thing we really make a decision with part of us.

672
00:49:59,210 --> 00:50:00,350
So we're just,

673
00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:02,270
it's sort of,

674
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:06,090
it sort of encourages just a political posture.

675
00:50:06,610 --> 00:50:09,070
And like that's something that we're setting up

676
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:11,970
are elected for in this rulemaking process,

677
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:15,510
we're not giving them some kind of a path to make decisions.

678
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:17,970
And like I've seen that play out,

679
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:19,910
like if you don't really have anything to go with,

680
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:22,690
you're just going with whoever contributes.

681
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:26,690
Yeah, but also whoever's trying to enforce.

682
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:28,990
I'm guilty of that as anybody.

683
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:34,210
Like I'll be like, okay, how do I get to four?

684
00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:36,750
I know they're only gonna have this criteria.

685
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:42,750
What can I emotionally like all these, like we're not going to remove the politics of it?

686
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:47,830
What happens is, and you'll see this, I think, if you go and you watch,

687
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:51,850
and watch a hearing that you don't have a dog in.

688
00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:56,450
And you'll see this limited amount of decision,

689
00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:01,630
the type of stuff that we would make decisions with, if we're just having our own meeting,

690
00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:04,390
like that's not really happening in the public sector.

691
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:08,970
and it puts them in a really weird spot where they're just like responding to

692
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:14,330
this is all I got so these guys are asking me for more and it feels

693
00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:21,230
funky to them like staff is like we're still on off the criteria people are

694
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:26,390
like mad at the staff because they disagree with them or because they because

695
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:31,530
they agree with the other side I don't know I was just thinking about how this

696
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:38,410
but actually it's not going to change the political process force, but I think it is very

697
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:43,130
helpful. This could be really helpful for like electants that are in that decision-making process.

698
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:49,850
So let's zoom out and go back to the feedback we're looking for is this, this document,

699
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:56,170
there's the wiggle rule that we've been on. It's got some page or two kind of thing.

700
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:59,350
So this is what we're trying to kind of address out here.

701
00:51:59,870 --> 00:52:02,190
We would then start to show the broad categories

702
00:52:02,190 --> 00:52:04,290
and buckets that we built it into

703
00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:06,270
and probably have an appendix that lists

704
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:08,070
all of those other items.

705
00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:11,750
And then there'd be a segment here of these solutions.

706
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:13,330
One would be running this through

707
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:17,670
and then we may pull a few things out of the items

708
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:19,610
that are really high on that matrix.

709
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:24,170
So you know, those of you who have had dogs

710
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:28,410
or hump dogs, like there's some dogs, if they only react well, it's like, oh, good boy, good boy.

711
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:33,110
And others where you got to kind of look up when they do some wrong feedback.

712
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:45,030
So, like, what have you seen on this so that we're not just doing a presentation?

713
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:50,490
Like, what have you seen here that's either good or missing or,

714
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:57,870
or Jane, you're particularly skilled at providing some objective comments on how others might

715
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:58,290
see it.

716
00:52:58,310 --> 00:53:03,970
If it feels skewed, I know I certainly feel like this doesn't force an outcome and it should

717
00:53:03,970 --> 00:53:06,510
be thinner, but we've seen it that way.

718
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:10,370
Does anybody have comments that they can?

719
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:16,390
It's just going to be a process of finding, you know, over time, because we're, I mean,

720
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:20,350
it's almost like we're still in a stiff ball stage, you know, right now.

721
00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:24,950
So I've got to truly learn to make, I think that it's just a natural part of the process.

722
00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:28,810
Like you're not going to just throw something up there that's going to work.

723
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,530
I think it's a really good framework to start.

724
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:36,270
I think where you're going, you guys have done a lot of work, you know, it's clear.

725
00:53:36,830 --> 00:53:43,370
But even just this makes a lot of sense, but it's just, it needs to, it just needs to be

726
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:43,670
refined.

727
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:44,570
I think a little bit better.

728
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:46,890
I think that's our next step, right?

729
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:54,350
we want it if you like it and we'll give actually like a draft to live room so it almost needs to be

730
00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:59,970
where I can I can go through this process or understand the process but I'm sitting at home.

731
00:54:01,550 --> 00:54:06,690
No you don't need Kevin to guide me through you know I mean if you really wanted to be part of

732
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:12,250
all it needs to be something that a self explanatory that a person a council member or

733
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:15,650
or whatever can go, if they are some clients,

734
00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:19,170
do that kind of homework or work or deep dive into it

735
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:23,450
that they can kind of walk through the decision-making process.

736
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:26,770
And you see these things and you've seen them in different contexts.

737
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:30,030
You know, I've had people tell me, like,

738
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:32,950
oh, it'd be nice if I had a diagram sheet.

739
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:34,590
That if this, then that's, you know,

740
00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:36,370
you go this way, if not, you go this way.

741
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:40,030
And that's kind of what I feel like this is starting to do.

742
00:54:40,030 --> 00:54:46,190
And I think the more you can refine it, not to come to a pre-determined outcome, but to

743
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:51,230
give you the off-ramps based on your assessment as you're taking that, whether it's parking

744
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:56,390
islands, or whether it's sidewalks, or whatever, gives you the opportunity to try to kind of

745
00:54:56,390 --> 00:55:00,790
make those intellectual refinements in terms of what direction you want to go.

746
00:55:01,190 --> 00:55:05,510
But I think it needs to just be a little bit more refined and cleaner so that we don't have

747
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:13,010
to have a tutorial so that the average person can go, yeah, this is clear. And I see how

748
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:17,910
this would work. And what I would see is like, yeah, I agree, the Steve's warrant kind

749
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:22,690
of refinement. And each of the way, like, to a race point, it's not like a go-no-go to

750
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:27,890
city, right? It's basically saying, there are certain things you're going to have to

751
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:34,710
draw up a red flag. If it's not a critical for health and safety, but it's a stick, that's

752
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:38,470
a red flag, and you just say, OK, well, should we regulate something that's not common

753
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:38,690
safety?

754
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:42,090
It's just saying this warrant's a deeper conversation from the decision makers.

755
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:49,570
And then, for example, if it's, if you call anybody, you know, we are talking about, oh, I don't

756
00:55:49,570 --> 00:55:53,290
know, the impact fee waiver and will it work for incentivize the board of what housing?

757
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:55,810
The jacolier will afford what others can ask.

758
00:55:56,570 --> 00:55:56,790
No?

759
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:58,770
Oh, that warrant's a lot more conversation.

760
00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:04,070
So all of these things are just kind of like, this is maybe the right side where you should

761
00:56:04,070 --> 00:56:09,610
have more debate. And a big one, a big one, is that actually us. And that gets filled out a lot more,

762
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:15,070
because then if we say, if the costs are of this group and the benefit of this group, that is

763
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:19,930
the big advice that I can you need to talk about it. And that decision should be made intentionally

764
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:26,390
to say, I'm clear the cost on this person and benefit on that. I think the process here

765
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:33,230
isn't one for staff, right? Because this is something that is laid out on the front side

766
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:35,230
and it simplifies that, right?

767
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:39,610
Hopefully this process doesn't add more of a maybe it helps

768
00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:41,730
shortcut some of those longer-term problems

769
00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:43,910
so we're identifying a earlier process.

770
00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:47,550
I think that it's, you know,

771
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:49,450
as we're making these considerations,

772
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:54,730
we need to be mindful of the interaction with staff

773
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:57,110
with these documents and what are these proposals again.

774
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:59,730
And with results of retranagative achieved,

775
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:03,890
which is lowering the impact of these costs on housing.

776
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:07,410
So empowering staff to be looking for that and saying

777
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:09,410
at some point, well, maybe this doesn't make sense.

778
00:57:09,590 --> 00:57:11,470
Before it even gets too far down the track.

779
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:14,890
And I think that's, that's, I would be written,

780
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:20,570
and I'm not trying to lean over into operational decisions

781
00:57:20,570 --> 00:57:22,390
as the charter group is doing that.

782
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:26,810
But I can just see how that would maybe be helpful for staff.

783
00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:34,510
I also think for other things, since we have staff here, one of the things too is we need

784
00:57:34,510 --> 00:57:41,750
to be more collaborative with staff, especially there to really a critical time right now because

785
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:46,150
they are way down in terms of manpower, bringing new people in that may or may not have different

786
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:51,790
levels of experience and sometimes we take for granted that things are just obvious to us.

787
00:57:51,790 --> 00:57:58,050
They're not obvious to even make an experienced planner because they're not dealing in our

788
00:57:58,050 --> 00:57:58,370
world.

789
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:03,930
I mean, I think one of the things lacking, and depending on your planner, you may have

790
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:08,630
more collaborative meetings, discussions and whatnot, or you may have head banging meetings

791
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:14,250
or whatever, but really if we're looking at it from the bigger picture and trying to make

792
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:20,410
this a better system, a better process, then we should be collaborating on things that

793
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:24,710
and how it's like, you know, as an example, there's little things that we are really aware of

794
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:30,430
that cause delays and problems that are suddenly blocks. But I may have that with one planner

795
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:35,970
or one cheaper project and the next planner fully gets it. Well, why does that planner, you

796
00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:40,190
know, see it this way and this planner see it a different way? And, you know, even surveys

797
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:50,350
a very example. I mean, candidly, I think the all thought one Renee was gone. I don't

798
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:54,930
And now Alex comes in and he's got a different way of doing things and he's got questions,

799
00:58:55,150 --> 00:59:00,390
he's coming out of it from a different way and instead of being this us against them,

800
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:04,610
we talk about getting that culture of yes but part of that is we've got to be better

801
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:12,670
about helping staff, educating them in kind of a positive and a, I don't want to necessarily

802
00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:17,910
say mentoring sort of way, but kind of helping them understand, you know, some of the little

803
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:25,130
things that we think are, you know, ridiculous, help them understand, have an opportunity to understand

804
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:32,350
better why those types of things create barriers so that they can see why, okay, I said that I'm

805
00:59:32,350 --> 00:59:40,750
supposed to make you do this. But if they understood like how ridiculous that was, give you an example,

806
00:59:42,090 --> 00:59:49,870
We had a plaque that we're trying to get recorded, and we had inadvertently, when the

807
00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:55,650
plaque was signed, the date was left off, and so it was kind of like, well, the date

808
00:59:55,650 --> 00:59:56,550
was left off, you know?

809
00:59:56,910 --> 00:59:58,010
How are you going to handle that?

810
00:59:58,570 --> 00:59:59,970
It was like, we'll just put the date on.

811
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:27,580
Right? Well, I can't do that. So I had to go down and physically write the date, which, you know, that's what you need to do. You know, I'll do it. Our bad. We're not having to date down. But just those kinds of little things that it's like you get very rigid. Another situation, we had a document that.

812
01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:34,900
That was probably about the 13th version, including the 5th and the last couple of weeks.

813
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:36,400
This was some little changes.

814
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,740
It was fully executed, and then at the 11th hour, I forget where to be able to change

815
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:47,960
when the provisions to make it aligned, and it was one of those where legally, you know,

816
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:51,280
my learners saying, probably you don't want to necessarily do this, but if that's what it

817
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,320
takes, let's just do it.

818
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:58,260
But we're going to make the change that now that technically the document that was signed

819
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,420
and notarized, you know, now what provision was different, right?

820
01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:07,880
So in the hardcore world, it's like, well, the document that was technically signed and

821
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,980
notarized is no longer the same document.

822
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:16,340
Sorry, are you going to make me go back and get the document re-executed, which is a program

823
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:21,540
signature in color springs and effects, again, at the cost of 45 bucks, whatever it is to

824
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:24,260
overnight, and to the credit comments,

825
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,400
she's like, well, you know, put the page in.

826
01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:27,940
I mean, the signer wasn't aware,

827
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,420
the noirings aware of making them,

828
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:31,640
those are the kind of comments.

829
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:33,200
I didn't see why they need to be clear.

830
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,320
Well, but those are the common sense,

831
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,260
those are the common sense decisions

832
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:43,300
that when we all get on the same page and understand

833
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,080
that, you know, little things like that,

834
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,220
that are just those, the Delta 5000 cuts,

835
01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:54,080
whatever you want to say. But, you know, you probably, you're looking at, well, I'm supposed

836
01:01:54,080 --> 01:02:00,660
to do this and you're not thinking about from the, from the developer side. Like, oh, crap,

837
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:06,120
I've got it now, or you're not empowered to, or he's not an effort to make that kind of,

838
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:11,480
kind of, kind of decision. And so, but I think sometimes it's those little things that if,

839
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,500
like a boundary dispute, you know, you've got a surveyor that is looking at things one way,

840
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:23,140
Like if you actually physically go out there to have a better understanding of the problem or not problem

841
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:29,780
It's really hard when people as we're moving into this people are gonna have a lot of experience

842
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:35,000
And I think we just have to be sensitive. We can come up with these like framework things and all that

843
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,540
But it's gonna be a difficult road

844
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:44,700
with all of this thing if you know the soul can change in the code, but it's always not gonna be

845
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:52,360
be here enforcing or reviewing ultimately down the road forever, right? And so I think

846
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,960
we just need to be really, really sensitive in the fact that we need to work together.

847
01:03:00,020 --> 01:03:05,060
Because I kind of felt, you know, in some ways there's like, we're perceived, this committee

848
01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:07,400
is perceived just like that.

849
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,280
And it really like you could kind of look at it from the standpoint of

850
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,200
planners like it's an opportunity

851
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Right to work with people that really have a vested interest in doing the right thing and creating a process that's going to be

852
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Easier for them as staff but deliver a bit of overall fun for us

853
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,500
So it's not as complicated, but I think we also have to we have to do our part

854
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:38,500
to be part of the team and not just say well they need to you know kind of do

855
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:43,240
things the way we wanted to do. I mean I just what I heard that last time it

856
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,160
was I kind of just was the Sudan whatever it says you know there's like

857
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,420
normally eight people in planning we have three right now I mean that that is

858
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:55,840
mean to that point though Jane too I think that collaboration because we we still

859
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,340
get people that want to come in and do something they want they want us to

860
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:05,920
change something with the code because they just don't want to do it. And so, we're forced

861
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,180
to say them, but the code says, just because you don't want to do it, then it means they'll

862
01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:16,020
not do it. And I think that could also, like, one of the recommendations that you're saying

863
01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:21,840
is like, and they're just, you get convergence in it, but like, you know, build, build in

864
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,980
processing that allow more discretion for those exceptions, but like with, correct you. Yeah.

865
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,160
You just don't want to do it like it's possible to be open to you.

866
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,700
Yeah, I think that's a recognition I have to go in.

867
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,540
But we have a lot of decision makers in the room.

868
01:04:37,980 --> 01:04:42,920
Really good shares that are asked to take note on things where we have staff who

869
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,680
might be approving something that only has to give staff.

870
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,760
Oh, it's customer.

871
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:48,580
So from your perspective,

872
01:04:48,580 --> 01:04:52,980
would something running what an idea that gets run through this kind of lens?

873
01:04:52,980 --> 01:05:01,320
be useful. So I think this is a great start, a great way to bifurcate issues, and I know all the issues

874
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,700
you're talking about Jane, but I feel like sitting here for all these months we haven't talked about

875
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:12,640
housing affordability. I feel like there still is so much in the code that if you run them through this

876
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:19,240
process and let me start falling into those buckets and it may come in later, someone at a later date

877
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,820
can we would say like fire will come into the run is a health and safety.

878
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,100
And so then we could, you know, that might have been back up to health and safety

879
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,280
and not just be in the, was it general welfare, general welfare?

880
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:35,680
But I feel like we should start running some things through this.

881
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:39,020
The things that do run down to general welfare, we can say,

882
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,520
how is that impacting how the affordability?

883
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,280
And I feel like that should be our only question here.

884
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,460
for this committee, that's my personal opinion,

885
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:51,020
because I don't think we've done enough that I did,

886
01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:53,820
and how does it affect you and how the affordability

887
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:56,160
and what things go down the line?

888
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:57,000
What are the straight-offs?

889
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,540
What's the community getting out of it

890
01:05:58,540 --> 01:05:59,560
and just paying for it?

891
01:05:59,860 --> 01:06:01,980
How much is it costing out to the increasing

892
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:03,320
how the affordability?

893
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,820
And start really running those things through.

894
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:07,900
And then I think there will be a lot of things

895
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:11,960
that are on the boarder that we don't,

896
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,300
we maybe don't know if we can put them into someone,

897
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:19,080
one because all disagree on which buckets are put them into, but I think there's so many

898
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:26,300
that we could really start chipping away at some of the really costly things in code and

899
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:27,700
that's on the prescriptive things.

900
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:31,220
You talked about the comp plan.

901
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,080
I think you were bringing up the comp plan.

902
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:35,520
I feel like the comp plan is a big problem.

903
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:42,840
And I think that as a task force, we can point out those problems and say this alignment with

904
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,440
the comp plan, while we understand it and we get it, here's what it's going to have

905
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:47,900
an important.

906
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:55,400
And here, you still run it through those same processes that you have up here and what

907
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,980
are the trade-offs and who is benefiting?

908
01:06:57,380 --> 01:06:58,360
And it's this worth it.

909
01:06:58,420 --> 01:07:02,240
It's worth the next year $1,000 and a half, $1,000 and a half.

910
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,120
Because there are a lot of things that are big numbers.

911
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,540
But shouldn't there be a comp plan box on there?

912
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:17,260
I don't think the code should be as based as much on the comp plan as it is now.

913
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,680
I think that was a mistake in building a new code.

914
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,320
And I've seen that we should point things out.

915
01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:32,700
Here's where it's not in the, or here's where it's maybe a line with the comp plan, but here's why it's increasing the housing cost.

916
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:38,120
Well, you're going to say that, you're going to show that, you're going to put it in

917
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:38,160
spring.

918
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:45,180
Yeah, because I think that's a big problem, but every time we come up with something

919
01:07:45,180 --> 01:07:47,660
that's like, oh, it's in the content plan, that's why it's in color.

920
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,940
But I think most of the current code was, is base.

921
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:56,380
I think it all aligns to the content plan pretty much, but it doesn't provide affordable

922
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:56,720
analysis.

923
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:04,380
And so I could say here's the problem of choosing these pieces out of the conflan that you

924
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:09,960
want to have in housing and why it's creating this sort of unaffordable atmosphere.

925
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,080
We have our, and Kevin, I have already talked with the consultant about exactly that.

926
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:22,200
Identifying things that are in the code and in tests that wait back to the conflan because

927
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,760
Because we are having this comp plan and rewrite kind of next year that we can provide recommendations

928
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:33,300
like, let's address this when we look at the comp plan because that's proving to be a barrier

929
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:34,540
in our code.

930
01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:41,420
And the catch one spot where I think you and I would disagree, I guess you would want to

931
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:43,700
keep on the comp plan.

932
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:51,060
I don't think the comp plan is a problem because the comp plan is a making us do anything

933
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:54,620
against the code. It's a code that's created on the top.

934
01:08:55,220 --> 01:08:58,320
That's what I said. The code was real to me.

935
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:00,060
A lot of that.

936
01:09:00,420 --> 01:09:04,520
What I would say is that the comp line has been misused.

937
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:06,700
And it's been misinterpreted.

938
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:10,680
Because what I've seen over and over again as a staff is what this says.

939
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,640
This aligns with the comp line and their poor thou shalt adopt this.

940
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,020
If we're running it through the test like this.

941
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:21,280
this gives a little bit more clarity.

942
01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:23,800
And I gave the example of this last night,

943
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,680
I said, if you flip this thing that you say

944
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,380
it needs to come to plan, we're upset about it,

945
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:29,880
because you think it's an unfair cost.

946
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:33,440
Like, I want this, you have it.

947
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,620
I'm gonna take it from you.

948
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,140
That was basically the premise.

949
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:37,040
We don't make that fair.

950
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,380
So let's flip that on a set and say,

951
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:43,700
let's say instead you're giving us a million dollars

952
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:45,000
to preserve it with one of these.

953
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:50,920
that would exactly meet the same environments of that being in the cook.

954
01:09:51,460 --> 01:09:54,820
It would have taken a minute or we'd know argument that that didn't meet the

955
01:09:54,820 --> 01:10:00,620
component. And that's what we're trying to avoid. So that to me is like I'm the

956
01:10:00,620 --> 01:10:05,000
component is how we got here but I don't make the component or is it I think it's

957
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,940
the way that we use the component and I think it's been misused. I think it's been

958
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:13,680
misused as like saying the same thing. Yeah. So I just I feel like

959
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:19,520
didn't hold the conflant out. It's something we need to deliver anything against. We need to say,

960
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:25,960
this is a problem we've had. And it probably does align with the conflant because I think code was

961
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:32,700
written to align with the conflant. And the way you'll make it is the same kind of way we were talking

962
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:39,440
about those practices, which is like this is kind of telling any decision maker. It's not enough to just

963
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,300
to say it's best practice.

964
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:43,920
And it's also not to say it aligns with the compliment

965
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,960
because to Kevin's point, lots of alternatives

966
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,180
to apply could align with the compliment.

967
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,600
And have you considered those alternatives?

968
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:51,940
Some would consider the trade-offs

969
01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:53,260
is there another way to do it.

970
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,260
And so that might be a concept that we can work in.

971
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,900
We said number four I'm about to move up there,

972
01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:00,460
but like the compliment is this very one instrument

973
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:02,440
where you can justify a lot of things,

974
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,480
by pointing back to the compliment.

975
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,140
And I think what we're saying is that is not

976
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:07,720
an justification.

977
01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:11,280
You should continue your thought process a little further.

978
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,020
Now come with it, we find that when we put this mission graph together,

979
01:11:17,420 --> 01:11:20,060
we'll be able to, hey, kind of did we word-smith it right?

980
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:25,220
We give it some pictorial assistance sort of thing.

981
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:28,280
But also, what are those pieces we're missing, right?

982
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:33,060
Hey, we've got to talk about the lack of the prioritization of the conflang

983
01:11:33,860 --> 01:11:36,680
makes it challenging to interpret the criteria in the code.

984
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,360
So we start adding those in.

985
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,160
So that's really a comment.

986
01:11:40,460 --> 01:11:43,620
And when you're saying that to, oh my gosh, how useful

987
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:47,320
was something like this be to go through that spreadsheet

988
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,060
that Timmer was updating as we went?

989
01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:54,120
And just taking one of those, we can analyze that now,

990
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,560
especially with stack capacity being more limited,

991
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,440
or even consultant contracts, yes, scope.

992
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:04,520
We might be able to identify some of my flyers

993
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,180
right out of the gate that like boy this is this is general welfare it didn't

994
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:15,680
you as a lexpert the trade-offs are out of whack and you know it might kind of

995
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,400
parse that down so that's so that was a cool well and I think that I'm sorry

996
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,720
because let me just I don't want to talk to you then you go ahead I was just

997
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,840
gonna think I think you're honest on there I think the comp plan should be

998
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:32,680
aspirational it's become regulatory you know like it's a vision it's become

999
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:42,500
I feel like that's what we can contribute through this committee is to deal with these

1000
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:43,720
code problems.

1001
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:54,340
So I think that one is, I think if this framework, if we can get this bounding a little bit

1002
01:12:54,340 --> 01:13:00,010
more and we can show some examples and we can give it back to you guys in a way that you

1003
01:13:00,010 --> 01:13:05,430
can read it and understand it without me explaining it, that's kind of a goal and I would

1004
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:12,450
say there's a sense of urgency to that portion because I think that could be really great

1005
01:13:12,450 --> 01:13:17,030
framework for us to give the consultant for the work that they're going to do and the

1006
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:22,870
other thing that I think would be really useful for the consultant is again, now it's the

1007
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:29,670
time, whatever all those issues are that we identify and we have a list because the consultant

1008
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:33,390
we do one thing that won't benefit about a really good benefit about the

1009
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:37,890
consultant working it, but they actually have experience in our code, which means

1010
01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:44,150
you don't have to give me a code, breadth, print, it's exact. Hey, like that's a

1011
01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:48,470
benefit. We can leverage that. This issue I have with the code, they're gonna know

1012
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:51,870
where to look. We're gonna have a list that's gonna shorten the amount of work in

1013
01:13:51,870 --> 01:13:57,250
time print, and we can accomplish getting all of those things done, and the consultant

1014
01:13:57,250 --> 01:14:02,650
does have in their scope. If this somehow they feel like it doesn't

1015
01:14:02,650 --> 01:14:06,970
align with a policy, they're going to be calling that recommendation out.

1016
01:14:07,230 --> 01:14:12,990
Like this, there's a policy issue that's making us keep this thing

1017
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:16,990
with the code that we did. Otherwise, it doesn't

1018
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:21,550
eat this standard. So it would flush, flush those out I think.

1019
01:14:22,210 --> 01:14:28,770
So I was like, that's my or a portion of the next steps is the digestible, this move

1020
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:29,530
that we're refined.

1021
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:33,510
So the team needs to know if there is 452 on all stay late, but we want to be able to

1022
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:33,990
come up with that.

1023
01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:40,350
So what I'm hearing for next steps seems like people are good with this idea of us breaking

1024
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:44,530
solutions section into like this kind of name solution.

1025
01:14:44,650 --> 01:14:46,390
Like this is the umbrella solution.

1026
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:52,110
I don't think we are envisioning that we would then take this matrix and run it through

1027
01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:54,370
like every single one of the things blended through this.

1028
01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:56,510
This is the more forward looking thing.

1029
01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:59,850
We think this is a practice that you should adopt this city.

1030
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:28,960
And then we have this basic definition. What? And here, for the next episode, we like to say the other. Build it out a little bit there. So, I'm trying to feel, but a big one is, the priority is build out this kind of test more fully. Maybe run Bruce, for example, is help like look in a staff report or an internal memo or if we were pitching it as a task force, what we would pitch to council or a bank.

1031
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,520
And this sounds like the biggest priority because maybe this is also something that's helpful with the console.

1032
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:38,760
Okay, so this is priority number one.

1033
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:45,460
And then a lot of this other stuff is kind of in, we're hearing general agreement in this approach.

1034
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:48,960
And so it's really just kind of these kinds of part of the drafting process.

1035
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:49,780
And that's the big one.

1036
01:15:50,420 --> 01:15:52,900
And so we might have, we might have ourselves to be having a little break.

1037
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,740
Well, a few mistakes.

1038
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:04,400
We'll figure out where to do things concurrently, and I'll write this down here too, but like some mentioned at the call.

1039
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,960
Like sort of what is what we think this role should be in this process.

1040
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:12,760
Once you're sad as well.

1041
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,940
So when was like insulting for when we start?

1042
01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:23,540
We just got to kick off when we come to that chamber.

1043
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:33,260
Which would be, I think we could use this generally as a,

1044
01:16:33,260 --> 01:16:36,180
because that is the kickoff meeting where we get alignment on,

1045
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,880
wherever we're ahead and what we're going to do.

1046
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:44,220
I'd love to use this framework as part of that meeting.

1047
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:45,680
This is for certain of those expectations.

1048
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:51,960
Just a little question, and I know it's a standard term, but we want to say health and safety, because I just like help can

1049
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,960
be used to

1050
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,880
justify so many things

1051
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,740
other than safety. I know that's kind of a standardized

1052
01:17:00,740 --> 01:17:01,920
our own birth.

1053
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:07,130
No, I don't think so. I mean, I think safety is really what

1054
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:08,450
safety is the

1055
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:12,390
Because health, I mean, talking about landscape. Oh,

1056
01:17:14,210 --> 01:17:17,510
I mean, I think help just opens the door.

1057
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:20,630
Yeah, I think I think that makes sense.

1058
01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:23,230
And I'm also thinking like it's funny.

1059
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:25,830
They came up with the model code for starter homes.

1060
01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,070
And they said, OK, let's trip everything back.

1061
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:31,570
Let's just talk about safety so that we get people to afford homes.

1062
01:17:31,730 --> 01:17:32,790
And I was like, that's brilliant.

1063
01:17:33,010 --> 01:17:33,430
It's a good one.

1064
01:17:33,610 --> 01:17:34,570
We just keep that for all.

1065
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:41,730
I think also next steps is.

1066
01:17:41,730 --> 01:17:48,210
I think we need to be, we need to be the devil's advocate to this, to some degree need

1067
01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:53,670
a devil's advocate to say, hey, let's, let's, well, that's what I've been struggling

1068
01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:59,830
with a little bit is, again, you have a common voice in this room running through this process,

1069
01:18:00,310 --> 01:18:04,970
does it look differently with another group, running the same thing through the process

1070
01:18:05,410 --> 01:18:09,490
and then how do you get, let's see, it doesn't, it feels like we could still be in a situation

1071
01:18:09,490 --> 01:18:11,130
where we're one side against it.

1072
01:18:12,690 --> 01:18:13,010
Yeah.

1073
01:18:13,390 --> 01:18:16,250
Please finish this out to get to that next draft.

1074
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:19,770
Maybe sell us a volunteer to go in and aligns that.

1075
01:18:19,950 --> 01:18:22,490
I don't know where your committees and kind of say,

1076
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:24,490
let's, let's pick a couple.

1077
01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:28,030
This is the shape and really be able to articulate it.

1078
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:32,500
This is fully intended to trigger conversation to facilitate

1079
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:35,710
decision makers so that in hearings,

1080
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:36,990
we don't go like this.

1081
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:40,170
All sides take the way the adherence goes.

1082
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:41,310
They drift.

1083
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:43,730
Well, if you just asked the public meeting,

1084
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:44,950
everything will show up here.

1085
01:18:46,230 --> 01:18:47,190
Well, but...

1086
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:48,090
Sorry.

1087
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:49,610
I'm so low.

1088
01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:51,290
I can't think that's our committee.

1089
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:57,870
I think that's been our direction is to address having affordability.

1090
01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:01,050
And if, then when we put our product out,

1091
01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:03,390
if fire again will come in and say,

1092
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:04,770
well, these things actually are awesome.

1093
01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:11,890
So, I think those things will rearrange themselves as they need to be with the other groups

1094
01:19:11,890 --> 01:19:12,730
as they need to be.

1095
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:13,350
Are you in SAP?

1096
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:15,590
It's something like one input or someone else.

1097
01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:20,570
But I think our charge has been to put their side of the responsibility, right?

1098
01:19:21,490 --> 01:19:25,430
Well, and so, okay, thank you very much.

1099
01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:27,830
I'm having an adolescent beauty correctionist.

1100
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:30,750
One of the reasons we need to be, we should do medical.

1101
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:31,290
Right.

1102
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:35,910
So, one of the things we can add up here is probably under, like, the number of fits,

1103
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:37,770
like, what else are at this, I think, consider.

1104
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:39,510
Go back to shake groups.

1105
01:19:40,190 --> 01:19:40,570
Yeah.

1106
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:41,810
That's perfect.

1107
01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:44,110
Like, that's what we need to code out.

1108
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:45,010
Like, is there an alternative?

1109
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:50,590
Because even something that's like, you must do this, but sometimes it's, you must do this

1110
01:19:50,590 --> 01:19:50,970
or this.

1111
01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:51,710
Right.

1112
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:53,550
Either or.

1113
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:53,930
Yeah.

1114
01:19:56,780 --> 01:20:02,420
So, for the next meeting, which I'm doing now, right, 10, plus, I'm assuming it's September

1115
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:02,900
17?

1116
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:13,340
Would we bring back kind of building out the test a little bit more fully? And then

1117
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:19,060
like maybe we've run some examples through it as if we're staffed or I staffed. And

1118
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:23,580
we can be doubled after a little bit in there. And I can be, you know, one of us could take

1119
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:28,480
a turn at being the person who's going to write it from the perspective or play. I don't

1120
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,960
want that thing to pass, you know, like, what would that look like?

1121
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,080
Because, yeah, I don't think any of this, I like, we don't tell the idea of, like,

1122
01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:40,440
look for ways that we facilitate collaboration,

1123
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:46,020
to spell policy making process, the major goal of policy making by the

1124
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:48,020
neighborhood, to ask the policy making is balancing,

1125
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,880
exciting, inherently in conflict with each other.

1126
01:20:51,220 --> 01:20:54,860
We're not going to be able to remove conflicts from that process,

1127
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,200
but I do also feel that for public decision makers,

1128
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:10,600
And then it's also gets back to this thing we keep hammering on, which is like, are we even talking about having for ability and policy?

1129
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,280
Making sense. So we're saying, this is how we think we force you to talk about.

1130
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:25,740
Yeah, and it's so clearly ours needs to have a, that would be a photo village aspect to like we're just assuming that because all of our issues are that.

1131
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:34,720
Okay, and I won't get the next meeting which means I have to do a really good job with that deliverable because I won't be here to explain it.

1132
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:44,900
Yeah, but if you're got like Kelly and I will move this framework on with it.

1133
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:48,620
consults just so you guys are aware of it. That's the, that's the time it's going to have

1134
01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:53,700
for people to get there. Well, on that note, the things you're taking to a consult is going to be

1135
01:21:53,700 --> 01:22:00,200
kind of the collection that the 10 subcommittee has gathered. Probably that, to some extent, that

1136
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:05,960
spreadsheet that Tamran had been updating to show all these good issues. And the list we've had

1137
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:12,040
to then marry it together with maybe some of the lenses to run it. Yeah, mostly you're now,

1138
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,400
which one they want to start on? I would say mostly on the 11th we're going to have the meeting

1139
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:23,860
this morning this. The the other stuff is going to come like there's going to be a they'll be a

1140
01:22:23,860 --> 01:22:28,940
kickoff meeting where that they will come meet with the task force that we want to first think so if they

1141
01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:36,120
do that is that that's going to be I think my mind that's going to be the deadline for let's get all

1142
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:43,100
stuff in there. Give them the list, you know, so that they're aware and then they've got a list to

1143
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:49,200
work from, like, make their job as easy as possible. We have issues that a lot, like, let's just give

1144
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:55,900
it to them. It's because the rest of their job is to search for specific sections of the code

1145
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:03,640
in a general sense of simplification, like, removing that necessary things that are friction.

1146
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:10,960
So that is what that's more necklace. So they're going to be pointing some stuff out, but it's going to be a huge help.

1147
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:21,040
What we do because we're the ones that are good at experiencing that. And then they're going to take a few this lens and you know that their care is early.

1148
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:28,400
There's like a backstop that it's not everything you want because we're going to put ourselves to the same standard.

1149
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:35,080
We have the housing providers to the same standard as we think basically the process.

1150
01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:37,420
Try those along the answer.

1151
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:39,660
This is great work.

1152
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:40,260
Thank you.

1153
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,040
Thanks for having us.

1154
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,600
Thanks for Tyce and Ella.

1155
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:43,720
A little while.

1156
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,840
So speaking of the work.

1157
01:23:48,260 --> 01:23:52,360
Who wants to be part of this building out this test more fully?

1158
01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:54,680
I'm giving gaps to how any kids and Emily do.

1159
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,520
Maybe might want to come back over.

1160
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:06,120
But there's anybody else want to be part of that homework assignment and it should be on the e-mail chain or the core game.

1161
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:08,840
Like, anybody else built up?

1162
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:10,480
I don't know about older people.

1163
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,200
No, I'll finish it up.

1164
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,800
I was going to get it to draft.

1165
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:19,900
And then Sandra and Jane can like totally shoot it down.

1166
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:29,720
That would be a better point to do that if you think we're making them tweaks to something that's on the pool.

1167
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:31,780
I think it's cheeky.

1168
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:34,300
You have an Emily light that I've heard.

1169
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:35,500
Thank you.

1170
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,820
Oh, there's a fair winner, by the way.

1171
01:24:39,060 --> 01:24:39,380
Milk does.

1172
01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:41,700
It's all around. Everybody loves Mothas, right?

1173
01:24:41,780 --> 01:24:43,500
I think a lot of milk that looks fancy, very awesome.

1174
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:44,180
No one's-