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Well, hey Paul. How are you?

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» What you you running for governor? What
you running?

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So this is my last
>> This is your land. This is your land.

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Well, the only reason I'm doing it is
because I started it while I was still

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doing the circuit writer help. So, I'm
actually the energy efficiency tech. So,

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» well, cool.
>> I mean, nobody

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better than you.
>> You pass these out. You run the

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governor.
>> No, sir.

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» Amen.

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I didn't say that
[laughter]

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in one hour.
All right, here we go.

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533 and on order uh workshop the water
rate and waste water rate studies. Today

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is August the 27th, 2025 26. Uh
so the first on the agenda is we do have

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a forum present with all members being
present

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and
so we're going to go right into the

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workshop.

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» Yeah.
>> Well, just give me a second. I'll get

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this uh I'll get this going. I hope

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we on the right line. Um that I don't
want to change the HDMI

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» my input.
>> Yeah, there isn't an input on this.

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Come on.

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Oh,
>> says press Windows plus P to get to

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projection.

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I've never had it. I just plugged it in
and it popped up before. I don't know.

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We went to your office.
So, we went to your office first and

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then we had to read the I read uh let me
see those pages to be able to choose

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HDMI one.

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There we go.

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I was going to cast it, but at this
point,

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it should pop up here in a sec.

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» I guess connect device.

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Was

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that where we were at work?

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It does have the casting device in HDMI
3.

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» I think you have to make Wi-Fi.
>> No,

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it has a casting device.
>> It does.

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» Okay.

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I mean, every

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Let me get Yeah, let me get to

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They look

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so

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if you're on the same Wi-Fi

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COGS 32.
>> Can you see if it'll

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» What are we looking for?
>> Looking for the the just cogs training.

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» See if it'll cast if you hooked to their
Wi-Fi. Connect.

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» Password is capital C O Gs

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132.
exclamation.

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» But that would be the cast. You want to
try HDMI too?

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» We'll see if we can cast first.

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Okay.
So, Windows C.

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I thought it was Windows desk.

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Oh, I made the T came up when I put
Windows K. of them and uh

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display they're available
window

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screen

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do this old school with the papers
we can't get

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[clears throat] I don't I would think PC
See spring?

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» Yes.

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um

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in the settings

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I know that all that's for iOS

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Oh, is this
>> HTML 2? Is it

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» Yes.

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Which port is it plugged into?
>> Well, we we tried again. It work. We

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tried to see. It didn't work. So,

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» do you want to try your cord?

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insurance.

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It's the
white.

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» Yeah, really

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put me on. Yeah. So,
I guess soon

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it's closed.

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probably never had any checkup since
we've been in here. This is blowing his

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way.
Oh yeah. Look here. Oh.

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» Oh yeah.
>> This [laughter]

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was the same or is it open?

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» No. Anybody

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else?

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» It ain't I mean it's completely

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off.
>> Which one are we in? One. one

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options. What was that?
>> Screen

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sharing power.

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connection

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center.

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Um,
>> okay.

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» So,
>> TV name.

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» You think it's Windows V?
>> It's on the screen PC screen only.

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» Go back to your
electric

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screen. That's it.

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» Windows

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if it actually

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acting like it's trying to connect with.
What is that? It says to select on your

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screen. Huh? says selected on preceding

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» Wednesday.

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I guess a car on fire because the entire
like midsection like two miles was just

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on
pretty good.

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» Oh yeah.

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» The TVs are too truck

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big
in the middle big tires.

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disconnect just

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popped out
kind of

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after

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limiting the inputs just

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we have
I didn't

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get there. You could find
>> You just need something over there.

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» I think that one's sitting over there.

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» That's one of our sitting.

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» Oh, really?
>> You need connections.

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» Somebody
get it connect manager.

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That's where we were last.
So there he is. He's

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beside his own.
>> Okay.

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I don't know what to do to tell you the
truth. Let me uh let me open up this

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door.

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If it ask me for because it's not asking
for

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to do anything.
>> If you do the control P, it still

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doesn't ask you for anything.
>> No, not the control the Windows key.

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» Do you say duplicate? Pull it.

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» Now you have to do the other one to get
it to cast. What? You do Windows K.

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» Windows K.
>> That's where it popped up.

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» Well, maybe he can't find device.
>> Oh, I just go old school and I'm going

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to give you the paper version of that.

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You can always do like a library.

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So my next thing
you can type in cast it

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I'll show you all those options

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button.

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» Are you still on the internet?
>> Yeah. Yes.

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Um

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still
clear about these.

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What we're doing

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10 or 11?
>> I think it's 11

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project.

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Do you want to see if it will um reject
my computer and then you can just email

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it to me?
>> I can email it to you real quick. Let's

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try that.

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» That's not a problem.

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It actually should be the same one I
emailed you before, but I'll email it

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again. So, it'll be on the top of the
list. So need

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I just read text there.

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something

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called something

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[clears throat]
our laptop connect to it and you can see

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what I'm trying to do on his side.

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I make a motion.

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I was just getting so I can make a
motion.

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No silence today. We were so busy.

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Did you have water?
Do you have water?

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» No,
>> there's another break somewhere.

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Where was it?

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» I sent you.

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It's the one that says 37.

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Keep protect.

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So we can't we won't take action
anything. This is just a recation.

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» Yeah.
Presentation

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and that's
okay. And that's what we've already

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done. We're going to run Monday.
So sometimes this gets kind of

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complicated and we can't figure it out.

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after.

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» What?

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This is our crap wag.

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else. Uh yeah, I didn't consider

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I was having the same trouble with
like something wrong

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or something

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wasn't
I guess

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it should be

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too.

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30%.
Yes.

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That's my

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start.

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Wow.
Wow. That was a lot for uh [laughter]

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at uh
technical difficulties to say the least.

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Um
what what you're going to see is is

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actually in the handout. That's why I
said I I was fixing to go old school

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because I was getting frustrated with
the technology. So uh what you're going

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to see is the expenses that u
water and on the next page you'll see

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the expenses for wastewater. Um what I
want to do is I want to explain how how

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we go about figuring up water and
wastewater rates. Um you'll see the item

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cost in one column
and then you'll see a fixed cost and

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variable cost. Um the fixed cost is what
goes towards your monthly minimum. The

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variable cost goes into what's called
your price per thousand. Okay? So when

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when we're looking at these, when we're
breaking up [sighs and gasps] what's

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fixed and what's variable, it's
basically to try to

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um either raise or lower the fixed or
variable cost. So

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what you're going to see at the bottom
of this page is just on your water

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budget is you need about 1.277 277
um71 on a yearly basis.

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62% of that is fixed and 38% of it is
variable. So we have a a grand total of

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fixed cost for the waterite only of
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and we have a variable cost of 488139.
Okay. Um, we did both water and

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wastewater with this sheet. So, the next
sheet you'll see, which is

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is the next sheet over, is the
wastewater expenses. Okay? And and what

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you're going to see on this is
the total expenses for the wastewater.

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It's broke up exactly the same way. The
fixed costs go to the monthly minimum.

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The variable costs go to the price per
thousand. Um, obviously when you look at

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the bottom line of this sheet, you're
going to see a cost of

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772641
is the total cost for your wastewater

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expenses for the year. 61% of that is
fixed at 47448

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and 39% of it is variable at 298 233.
Okay. So these are the expenses

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that we we got these um off the budget
you know these were budgeted expenses

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for for the system. So, um, if you go
look at the budget, all of these

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expenses are in there. Um, from then on,
we got to figure out how to pay for

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them.
So, [laughter] you know, so the the next

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sheet you're going to see is the meter
data sheet. And u that sheet basically

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does all the calculations. So when we
when we look at the different size

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meters,
TRWA always uses what's called the

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American Waterworks Association
standards for meter equivalencies.

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Okay? So you're going to see that you
have 1371

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5/8 by 3/4 inch meters in your system.
Okay?

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These meters are multiplied times one.

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The the next thing the next one where
you actually have meters is you got 141

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in and those meters are multiplied by
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What you need to know about these
multiplication factors is that's how

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much water will go through those meters.
Okay? So if you look at the times one

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about 10 gallons a minute will go
through that meter. Where if you look at

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the 1 inch meter that's 2.5
about 25 gallons a minute will go

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through that meter and so on and so
forth. So the 2inch meter you got 20 of

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them about 80 gallons a minute will go
through that meter. So, um, this is why

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TCEQ will allow you to charge more
because it needs more capacity to to

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actually do these meters to actually
service these meters and it takes a lot

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of capacity away from your water system.
So in grand total when you look at this

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and you look at the meter equivalency
you have

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1778
1778

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um water meters in your system because
that is what the meter equivalency says.

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Um on the wastewater side taps are
always the same. They're always the same

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size. So, wastewater taps, it's just
multiplied times one. Okay? And y'all

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have,98
of those. But if you want to know how

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this how you get this number, if you
look on the first page

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and you look at the fixed cost of of the
water, this 789432,

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all you have to do to get this this
number that's up here is divide by 12

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months in the year and divide by 1778.
And that's where that 37 comes from.

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Okay. So,
nevertheless, it's it's um the

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multiplication factors are set up and it
actually tells you. So, these 4inch

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compound meters, they should be paying
925 monthly minimum. You have four of

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them out there. These 3-in compound
meters, you have seven of them out

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there. They should be paying 5.92 per
month. These 28 inch meters or 22 inch

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meters, sorry, they should be times 8 at
296.

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So these bigger meters should be paying
a whole lot bigger monthly minimum. And

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I know you do not have that in effect
right now. So that would bring in a lot

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of extra revenue to the city just by
doing that. But a surprise to whoever's

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using it,
>> huh?

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» A big surprise. What would be an example
of a 4 inch compound?

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» A 4 inch compound. I mean,
>> probably the school um maybe Morton Salt

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out there.
>> Three inch.

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» They got three of them. You said
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» They got a Okay. Morton Salt has three
inch compounds.

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» Um
>> maybe two inch.

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» They probably have a three or two inch
more than likely.

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» Yeah. So, um, some PE places have a lot
bigger meter because a lot of cities

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didn't charge they charge the same
amount for a big meter as they did to

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put in a small meter. Um, so they say,
"Oh, well, I need a 4 inch meter and

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they may not actually need a 4 inch
meter." So when you start charging these

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these if you were to start charging
these amounts for these size meters they

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may come back and say oh I didn't need a
4 inch all I needed was a two you know

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or all I need is a three or or something
along that lines because they don't they

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don't want to pay what they should be
paying. So, but uh same thing on the

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wastewater side that fixed cost of 33.
If you take this 4748

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that's on the second page on the fixed,
you divide it by 12 and you divide it by

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that 11 1198,
it's going to come out to 33. So,

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um, the next sheet is the water sold
worksheet, but it's also the wastewater

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sold worksheet.
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the amount of money that you actually
need to make is this 488 139.28.

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Uh, I started putting numbers in here
until we got a little bit over that.

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Okay. So, I try to keep it uniform
because I like uniform numbers. So, I I

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kept putting I put 330 in there. I put
325, 425, and that wasn't enough. I put

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330, 430, 530, 630, 730, 830, and that
wasn't enough. So, I ended up at 335 per

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thousand for the first 2,000. Uh 435
from 2 to six. uh 6 to 10 was 535, 10 to

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20 was 635,
20 to 40 is 735, and 40 and up is as

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835.
And that's to make this amount of money.

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And if you look on those expense sheets,
the variable is actually this number,

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this 488 139. So, um it carries over
from that page. Now, this 537

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is what is considered the uniform cost.
So, if you charge the same amount for

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every,000 gallons sold, you would charge
that $527.

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What these block rates actually allows
you to do is it allows you to give a

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break to
the fixed income folks that don't use

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that much water. They don't have to pay
the 527. If they're only using a,000

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gallons, they only have to pay 335 for
it. But even if you use 10,000 gallons,

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you're only going to have to pay 335. So
it it goes to everybody. Everybody gets

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this discount, but a lot of people are
going to move out of that discount and

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they're going to be up here paying at
this 835 because 20% of your water is

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sold at that 835 range.
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» which are also probably your bigger
meters, your larger meters.

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» It's it's probably your bigger meters
and u and u heavy just heavy users.

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there's there's people out there that
are going to use over 40 um trying to

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keep their grass green or landscaping
and stuff like that. So, uh there there

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are it it could be bigger meters, but it
could also

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uh
it it could be just a normal meter that

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they're just using a lot of water. So,
um, on the wastewater side, it's a

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little bit cheaper price per thousand.
Um, it's just down below

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as you can see. And it's the same way. I
try to keep it uniform. And um and what

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you're seeing is starting off at a $1.50
going to 250, 350, 450, 550, 650 and um

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and the uniform cost would be basically
3.45.

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So it's it's the same way. Um you're
you're selling less water or or you're

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selling less waste water than you are
water. So, it's it's one of those things

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that u you just got to look and see, you
know, um where you want to be on there.

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Um
the summary page is just to summarize

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all of this that we talked about. But
first, before we get out of this, do you

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guys have any questions about what I'm
saying? I mean, I I don't if there's

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questions, please throw them out at me
while we're going. So,

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» yes,
>> variable, those numbers that been put in

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the 50 5050 or the 6633, those were
discretionary, right? If they chose to

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put it all in fix, they took out,
correct?

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» Yes. Yeah. If if we we have let's just
see a 5050. Okay. So this one's 5050.

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Okay. So if we want to put it all in
fixed, what we can do is we can put it

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all in fixed. I can put 100% of that
into the fixed.

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As you see these numbers go up, but also
what goes up is from 37 it goes to

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42.86.
>> Okay. So, so correct

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» split it that way.
>> Yeah, that's why we split it that way.

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But I wanted to say that all this is
variable. That's always

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» right. So, so
in in replacement reserve or

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depreciation is usually a fixed, but

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it's one of those things that you can
you can move around a little bit and

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play with to u to alleviate some of the
higher levels on the on the monthly

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minimum. So
>> the water there

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before the brick.
>> Yes.

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» So the 335
was just barely above.

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» So if you're wanting for repairs and
stuff like that, then I originally had

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it at like 350 and then he had another
example was like 385. So you can look

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and see what the difference.
So, so we know what it's going to

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generate at the 37. It's it's actually
going to generate the fixed column. It's

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going to make that much money, the 37
wheel, which is the

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the 789
432. So, the 37 will make that much

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money. But just u just to show you and
and I'll just put it right back where it

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was. If we put
the number we have down here right now

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is 493.
So if I put four, five, six, seven,

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eight

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backspace
nine in here. Oh, that's I'm making a

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lot of money. Uh nine. Yeah, exactly.
you know, so

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so it went from from
>> 493 to 553

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just by adding that 65 cents per
thousand on each of those tier. So

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there's there's ways to to play with
these worksheets and uh and

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» the percentages you have like
percentages where you're talking about

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we had 2 26% in as one category you did
other are our numbers on like are they

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the same or average like with other
count

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» it's there's
>> yeah I mean you're

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some some towns don't have the big 20%
on the bottom number.

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» That was 35.
>> Uh it it really depends on how many

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commercial type meters you have whether
that's going to be higher or not. But uh

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usually this number, these first two
numbers are somewhere between 25 and

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35%.
Almost everywhere I go. Okay. The second

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number is the same way, 25 to 35%. So,
usually when you get out of this 6,000,

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you've sold 50 to 70% of your water at
that point. Um, so there's not a lot of

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people in in these tiers, you know,
there's there's really not a lot of

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people and and u this is a lot of data
entry and I didn't print these off, but

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you know, if you if you look at where we
did the data entry on these um

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» once you get out of once you get out of
this u the 6,000

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you're only talking about 173 people.
You know, there there isn't a whole lot

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outside
>> after you get past that. So, you're not

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talking about a whole bunch of people
that you're going to be affecting. Most

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of your customers are up there in those
top two tiers.

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I think when we were looking at all of
that data by customer number, there were

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17
17 customers use the majority of the

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water.
>> 14%.

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» Well, you have Yeah. You have 14 You
have 14 customers using 20 almost 21% of

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the water. 14 people,
>> you know. Well, a few of them are

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property owners who own multiple houses
on one count. So I don't know that

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» um
>> these are be individual meeting.

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» Yeah.
>> Well yeah they they have a rule in you

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know it's supposed to be one meter per
resident. So they really need to come in

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and get another meter if if that's if
that's the case. So plus it would mean

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more revenue for the city. [laughter]

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» Right.
>> Yeah. But it's a it would be a larger

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amount of water. So um but
>> be a larger meter though.

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» You could as when when you look at these
>> Yeah. If you had if you had uh

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» if if you had two houses on one meter,
you could actually have them on a one

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inch meter because it's two and a half
times. So you could have them on a month

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on a but they would be paying more than
two meters added up together because two

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meters

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» they let me fix this

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» so they go live

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the nursery

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» they took their stuff out
of the crib.

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» I didn't know they didn't know
after they left

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» they closed it. I remember them coming
in ones

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cuz the berry one.
What I think is interesting, the reason

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I asked about the 20% of the stuff
working if one of those if it's a

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business and it shuts down, we're kind
of banking on

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not the fix but the variable for them to
be paying that. Right.

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» Right. That could kind of mess.
>> It it could, but we what we try to do is

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not use a year that's been really hot.
So we sort of try to underestimate the

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water sales. So if something like that
happens, you still make the amount.

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Yeah. You have a little bit of cushion.
So if if I'm doing rates, I try to work

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off of a wet year is great. A normal
year is great. A hot year like we had

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this year is not a good year to
>> estimate

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» to estimate. Yes. So, I wouldn't want to
get,

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» you know,
I don't I don't know if y'all remember

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2011, but
>> you know, it it was hot hot that that

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year and 2012 also, but not as hot as
11. But, [laughter] uh,

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» right.
>> So, what's

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on this one?

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297.

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» So,

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the rate that you have out the new rate,
the code rate is that pays it off to

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335. Is that what they what 733 does?

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Well, actually the 335 is the variable.
37 is the fixed.

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» I'm sorry. What time again?
>> So, like the 335 to 38. 335 is the

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variable cost. So, that's the one that
was on the right on that first sheet.

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That's what goes up and down based on
how much water you use every month. The

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37 is just the base you pay if you don't
use.

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» So, we're going from 29.67 to $37
on the base. Just if you don't use any

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water, you still have to pay that. $7.
Yeah,

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» that's what we have on the sheet right
there. $7 there plus the variable rates.

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» Yes.
>> Another two and a half%

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for a thousand
>> for your small meters.

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» Yes.
>> And then if you were to adopt the

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» sure
>> the other ones in your bigger meters

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will go up significantly. Well, I think
that's one we're more concerned with

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probably right now than any

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» um so my base will go to 296
>> because I don't use enough water to

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fulfill my goal or
>> Well, you're still going to go up too.

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Now you're being charged 350 per
thousand instead of thousand I mean a

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dollar per thousand.

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[clears throat]

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But just just to let you know these I
mean these numbers are the bare minimum

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to to meet your budget. Okay. Um this
this there isn't a lot of ropes so open

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dope like they say in the car business.
It's it's this is the bare minimum to

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actually meet your expenses. So, it's
it's one of those situations that yes,

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you can move stuff around. Um I'll I'll
show you on the last couple of pages

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which are the summary pages. Um this
rate summary basically has and it's also

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in your your packet here. Um you'll see
that it's basically just summarized that

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you know a 3733
the uniform cost is here the the the

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cost per thousand is is each one of
these but I went ahead and did one more

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up for you so you could see the
difference that if you guys wanted to do

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a 3531
you could do on the last page, the very

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last page. Um, but the price of water
goes up. So if you move some out of the

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monthly minimum into the variable,
um, then the price of water goes up. So

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whatever you do to one side, the
opposite happens to the other. So if you

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make the monthly minimum higher, the
price of water goes down. If you make

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the price of water higher, the monthly
minimum goes down. But all we're trying

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to do is get you to the point to where
you're making the amount of money that

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you need to make to pay for the budgeted
items that you guys have budgeted for

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and and be able to have money coming in
to pay for those things. So,

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» so on the uh
budgeted

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item spreadsheet,
>> the expenses margin to the replacement

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reserve 250,000 long-term debt of 22,000
and the CI. Tell me exactly what those

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are and if those are those.
>> Okay. Yes. replacement reserve is

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depreciation and that is y'all's
depreciation that uh um that that you

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have every year on on the fixed assets
that you have in this city. Okay. Uh the

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problem is is if if you look at your
audit, you're going to see

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a big number on accumulated depreciation
and then you go look at your cash

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reserves and you're going to see a lot
smaller number than that accumulated

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depreciation, which tells me that you
haven't funded depreciation in the past.

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So what I'm trying to get you to do is
actually fund it. And it's it's uh um

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it's it's a bad deal when you when you
go so many years and not

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» that's the problem we're fight we're
going to be fine with right now

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» right
>> we really need to be at this point but

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it should have been done so many years
ago at this point

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» right and and you can only you can only
do what you can do I mean you can't put

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$750,000
in here and then make your you could but

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you know It's it's you're going to have
a $55 monthly minimum, you know.

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[laughter] I mean, it's uh
>> basically we have to do

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» we have not kept up with all of the the
upgrades and the things that we needed

448
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,640
to do. that appreciation's never been
factored into the budget and it's not

449
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:23,040
factored into this current budget that
was printed and given to y'all. But he's

450
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:28,079
saying when we're determining rates, we
have to start factoring that in because

451
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,040
you can't make
>> you have a pump that goes down

452
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,520
» and then
>> right now we're struggling.

453
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:37,200
» You have a pump that goes down then
what? So if you budget for it, but then

454
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,760
you got that money put back when that
pump goes down,

455
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,079
» right? and and and I can
>> the long-term debt is going to be what?

456
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,680
Their loans.
>> Yeah. This is their loans. Their water

457
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:53,119
loans that
>> Yeah. these this this is principal plus

458
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:59,280
interest. What you have to pay on a
yearly basis to your to your loans. And

459
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:06,400
uh the CIP is basically a capital
improvement plan to start getting money

460
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:11,680
to improve your system. Okay. Um, I
would I would like to see that start

461
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:19,520
going up on a yearly basis and start
getting some of these projects done as

462
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:27,040
you go. Um, and and just I I always say
it's better to do rates once a year than

463
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:34,400
to rate wait five or six or 10 years.
and and uh because I know before me and

464
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:39,200
the mayor talked before, I mean, we
we've talked about this more than once.

465
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:47,040
You were still a council person when the
first time we talked about it, and it uh

466
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:52,960
it's it's been it's been slowgoing to to
get to get to where you need to be. Um,

467
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:58,960
I think when I first came here, y'all
were giving away 2,000 gallons in your

468
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:05,119
monthly minimum, which was which was
actually giving away, you know, 27% of

469
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:09,240
your water,
>> you know, or

470
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:19,599
» Yeah. And right now you're doing it on
the wastewater side. And and so we we

471
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:26,240
got it fixed on the water side, you
know, and and I think I had to to

472
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:32,319
start off with a dollar per thousand
just to get them to to to actually take

473
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:36,000
the free water out of there. I was like,
just get paid something for it.

474
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:41,119
» Yeah. Was that the ordinance? It was
just not in the system,

475
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,559
» right? the billing system, right? It was
actually,

476
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,800
» was it? Okay.
>> So,

477
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:51,359
» so it was I mean it
>> did not give away the first two.

478
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,640
» Well, it we had a fee,
>> right?

479
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,040
» Yeah.
>> For that. They never put in the system

480
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,040
to budge it. They did not put it in the
system.

481
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,319
» Yeah.
>> It was zero.

482
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:06,400
» Ah, I got you.
>> Oh, yeah. [laughter]

483
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,240
So you can pass all the ordinances you
want,

484
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,119
» right?
>> But you got to watch that system to make

485
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:16,480
sure and Yes.
>> Right. Make sure that it's put into the

486
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:23,520
billing system to go along with it. So
but u all that stuff,

487
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:30,800
» right? Well, I I feel like what we did
um was I mean I I think probably what

488
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:36,960
you need to start thinking about doing
is is keep up with the expenses every

489
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:45,200
year and and look at this at a year on a
yearly basis. And if if everything goes

490
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:51,680
up 3%, you know, raise the rates 3%. Um,
but at some point once you start getting

491
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:58,400
money in to replace this older stuff
that you have, um, at some point you

492
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:04,160
need to think about maybe switching from
depreciation

493
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,960
to asset management because depreciation
is always going to be at yesterday's

494
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:14,720
money because when you depreciate, when
an accountant depreciates,

495
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:23,040
they depreciate it from the they bought.
So if it was bought in 1975,

496
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:28,559
it's at 1975 prices and depreciated from
1975.

497
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:35,200
» So it's it's one of those things in
2026, we can't buy the same. We don't

498
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:44,160
have the same buying power. It doesn't
cost $1,000 for a pump. It costs $7,000

499
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:49,599
for a pump, you know. So, [laughter]
it's uh so you you might want to start

500
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:56,000
thinking about getting away from
depreciation and go with a true asset

501
00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:01,920
management plan. So, you know what
you're going to what's it going to cost

502
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:08,799
to replace it at today's dollars, not
yesterday's dollars. So

503
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:15,040
» something else that happened was we got
not a bond but it was a certificate of

504
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:18,160
obligation for 2.3 million the payment
only that's like 200,000 a year.

505
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,480
» Yeah.
>> Raise the rents.

506
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:27,680
» Uh yeah. Well I mean it's it's it's
right there says 202720

507
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,680
you know.
>> Yeah.

508
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,119
You said we'd like to see it. What would
you recommend for a town of our size

509
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:50,000
that that be?
>> Um, well, it depends on what kind of

510
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:52,640
project you're thinking about doing. Um,
>> 48 miles of water pipe, 30 miles of

511
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:57,400
sewer pipe.
>> Um, well, 17.

512
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:08,079
» Yeah. Um, this this is something
I always tell people if you're going to

513
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:14,319
do a capital improvement plan, you need
backup for it. You need to get an

514
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:18,720
engineering plan and and show
if if you're going to put a 100 grand in

515
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:23,359
there, then you need to show that you're
going to do a 100 grand worth of

516
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:28,880
project. You're going to go from 6 inch
line to 8 inch line or something along

517
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:36,559
that line. you're going to go from 3inch
line to 6 inch line or whatever you have

518
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:42,960
to do. But but capital improvement is I
will say this $100,000 when you're

519
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:48,960
putting in lines in the ground, it's not
going to get you very far.

520
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:55,040
» Okay. Um what what are you paying for 6
in pipe today?

521
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Uh, I was told one number per foot, but
that numbers change from different

522
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,000
people.
>> What's the average then in

523
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:05,839
» $12 a foot?
>> $12 a foot. $12 a foot

524
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,839
» for six and five.
>> Nor,000

525
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:20,079
or seven years,
a year, a year. Yeah.

526
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,599
» But for a million dollar project. So
that's what I was asking like what what

527
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:27,920
would be a logical number to actually
think in

528
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:33,200
» well there there isn't a logical number.
What the other thing you got to think

529
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:38,799
about is in seven years is it going to
cost a million dollars? You know if

530
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:43,040
you're doing a million-doll project in
seven years down the road is that

531
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:51,680
million-doll project actually going to
cost you a million3 you know and are you

532
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:56,240
gonna have the million3? So, uh, it's
there's a lot of different things to

533
00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:00,880
take into consideration when you're when
you're talking about rates and talking

534
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:06,079
about capital improvement plans.
>> Yeah. Like million dollars in a in a

535
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,599
text pool account that that is reserved
for water improvements for wells or

536
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,359
whatever,
>> right?

537
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:17,680
» Uh, but
we're having to start dipping into that.

538
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:23,680
So that I mean we're at the point we've
got to feed that kitty, put that back in

539
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:28,799
a piggy bank to take advantage of,
>> but this is not based on what we have in

540
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:32,160
the account and this is truly like
>> after the at the end of a fiscal year or

541
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,720
whatever. We could actually take that
$100,000 and put it into an account

542
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:41,599
along
the 100 and the 250

543
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:49,040
» and the 250. Yes. Because it is it is a
depreciation. So, unless you use the

544
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:54,000
depreciation money for some something,
you you had to replace a pump or

545
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:58,160
something like that or um yes, you
should be able to put that amount of

546
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760
money in the bank and start building
your bank account.

547
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:03,680
» Okay.
>> Um it's uh in the world is a little

548
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,400
different.
>> Right now, we're going to take out of

549
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:11,440
just tax whatever revenue we have and
we're paying all of this out of that

550
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,720
because we're not doing any of that
here. But when you look at the

551
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:20,640
wastewater plant and we had the 750,000,
we are only able it was only able to

552
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:25,119
cover half of the project that you
originally wanted it to cover.

553
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:30,799
» So without completing the whole bank
account to do the other half, but if you

554
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:34,160
had this you finished the project. Yeah.
>> So this is what we talked about the

555
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:37,440
grants. We didn't qualify for because we
were not doing this. We were not

556
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:38,559
charging enough ourselves.
>> That's right.

557
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:44,440
» Okay.
>> Not charging enough for our one.

558
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,440
» Okay. Yeah, it looks like

559
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:57,520
» some something else for you guys to take
away. We we do what's called a rate and

560
01:00:52,720 --> 01:01:01,839
salary survey uh every two years. And in
2002,

561
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:10,160
the rate survey said statewide me
monthly minimums were 35.

562
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:16,240
Okay. Um, in 2024
it was closer to 40, which is still over

563
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:21,839
what we're looking at here. I'm
expecting the one that we're fixing to

564
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:27,359
do to be close to 45
>> uh for the monthly minimums. I I think

565
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:33,040
the state average has gone up that much.
About every two years, it's going up

566
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:36,400
about five bucks. Um, is is what I've
been seeing. That's what I pay 58 just

567
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,559
for my good.
>> Yeah.

568
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,720
So,
>> so we are still even with these rates,

569
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:48,079
we're still below.
This is a fairly good buy. It's really

570
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:55,839
still very low for it's still that.
>> No, what's the average

571
01:01:51,359 --> 01:02:02,880
gallons per household for an average,000
2,000 to 10,000? Well, if they PCQ says

572
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:09,319
that the average household uses 6,000,
but I found in rural areas the real

573
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,319
numbers about 4500.

574
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:21,720
» 50, what is that? 55%
of your water is from 0 to 6,000.

575
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,720
So

576
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:36,640
I but but TCQ always said that the a
normal household with kids, mom and dad

577
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:41,119
kids was about 6,000 a month, you know,
with not with without a bunch of extra

578
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:45,440
water and outside,
you know, so

579
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:50,559
filling up a swimming pool. But but I
found in rural areas it's more along the

580
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:55,599
lines of 4500
>> precious,

581
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:59,280
» you know. So if you take if you take the
the

582
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:04,960
let's see
92 million

583
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:08,799
um divided by 12 and divided by the
number of customers you have, that's

584
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:15,760
going to be your average right there.
So, so if you take the 92 million that

585
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:21,920
92649800,
I don't have my calculator, but divide

586
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:25,920
it by 12 and then divide it by
this

587
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:28,559
1778.
That That's going to be your average

588
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,760
water usage.
>> 4342.

589
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:37,438
» 4342. How did I say 4500? That's pretty
close. So, [snorts and laughter]

590
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:44,640
» yeah. My calculator
would look like for let's just figure

591
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,720
out the 5,000. Yeah, using 5,000. I'd
like to just see what that number is.

592
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,000
» What a bill would be.
>> What a bill.

593
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:53,440
» Well, it would be 37
plus

594
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:57,520
» Well, we using Are we using what? 335.
>> 335.

595
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:04,160
» Just say 335 for the just for the this
335.

596
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:12,000
So that'll be 670 for the first 2,000
>> and then 435 times three for 5,000

597
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,160
» for the first 2,000.
>> Yeah.

598
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,079
» 670
>> and then

599
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,079
» which is going to be
>> 1304

600
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,960
» 1305
>> 6110.

601
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:30,880
» That's just water. That's that would
just be water

602
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,880
» plus your
>> Did you get that number?

603
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:41,440
» So you had your face which is 37
>> plus you did the 1975 plus 37.

604
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:46,480
Wait
>> 37 just for them having a meter

605
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:50,880
» and then the first 2,000 gallons it's
going to be 335.

606
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:56,880
» The first 2,000.
>> Yeah, but that's per thousand.

607
01:04:52,000 --> 01:05:02,640
» That's per time two times 33. Yeah. 670.
>> And then the two to six is going to be

608
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:05,640
at 435. So 435 times
>> three,000

609
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:12,720
1305.
>> Yes.

610
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:19,480
So,
>> so 5675

611
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:19,480
and then your wastewater

612
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:25,880
» it's it's going to be
33

613
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:39,119
bucks and then uh 750. So 1050. So 33 +
1050 which is going to be 4350.

614
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:43,280
» Yeah.
So

615
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:49,760
$125
>> $125 for

616
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:53,079
» versus what was it?
>> The old rates.

617
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,880
» We need to figure that too. So the old
rates

618
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,880
» that would be $2.

619
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,400
$3 times three. That would be $9.

620
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:21,280
And then the old What was the old rate
as far as

621
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,760
2967?
What was the story?

622
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,559
There was

623
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,520
224

624
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,960
» on the old rate.
>> No. 31 + 350

625
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:58,640
» 33. Didn't we go the wastewater was 33
up?

626
01:06:55,359 --> 01:07:01,640
» No, he's she's doing the whole
34.

627
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:19,760
» Yeah,
>> it's that close. is one now.

628
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,160
» No, there there is on this, but on the
old rates, I think you were uniform

629
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,200
rate.
>> Just a flat rate one.

630
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,960
» Yeah. I don't think you charge per
thousand on your tour.

631
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:32,240
» No, now they charge per thousand, but it
wasn't. It was the after the first two.

632
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:38,240
» Oh,
>> because we're giving the first two away,

633
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:43,720
» right? So, so it would only be the 3,000
that you would be adding up on on that

634
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,000
» 76 and seven. So, increase.

635
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,680
Yeah.

636
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:12,480
Have we gone up on the um trash yet?
>> That's just for the that's going to

637
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:17,120
» be in effect this bill which that's
something I also want to remind

638
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:21,520
everybody when we started the submission
to all the changing the process with fun

639
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:28,000
view. We were advised that they would
prefer60

640
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:34,159
days notice. Um that's yes. So just
whenever we do get ready to start

641
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:36,719
adjusting any of these rates
>> three months out anyway

642
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:40,400
» you might know now
>> I mean we we tried to have it in effect

643
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,839
by August and they just didn't do
another

644
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:48,239
» the one thing I don't want to happen is
this to hit in December

645
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:53,520
» don't want it
>> so I would

646
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:58,480
I think we need to think about doing it
in increments maybe

647
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:01,920
» what increments months. Six months. Six
months. Six months. Six months. Instead

648
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:05,440
of hit it all at one time.
>> If we do six months.

649
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:12,719
» We'll talk about it.
>> Every six months

650
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:16,799
get to where we need instead of all
something. Come up with something.

651
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,600
» Well, that's going to push you if you
did it that way.

652
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:22,640
» You know, if you were to raise it every
every three if you were to raise it 3%

653
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:26,799
every year like you should, well, then
that's going to

654
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:31,199
» Well, okay. Let me let me back up a
minute. So if we're basically going up

655
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:36,799
$30 a month for average household that
uses 5,000 gallons to go up 15 now and

656
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:41,199
six months go up 15 more and then at
that point forward move up where we need

657
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:44,239
to double the cost to make the changes
within the system.

658
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:47,759
» What's that?
>> You'll have double the cost to make the

659
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:53,600
change.
be like charged and

660
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:57,239
» but with a with60
days you said

661
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:08,400
» yeah but with 160 days as soon as you go
up you're going to have to vote on the

662
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:14,719
next going up just to just to be where
you need to because it's almost the six

663
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:18,560
month 160 days you know I mean that's
that's that's

664
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,800
» that's four or
you know

665
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:32,840
» they should be on these bills that just
okay because I didn't want it all to

666
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,840
happen once at least that's

667
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:45,320
» it's going to 160 days from now will be
let's see

668
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,320
» September

669
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,960
» a few It' be around December, January,
February,

670
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:59,520
» about
>> if if you did it right now, it wouldn't

671
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:04,679
happen till January
>> or February.

672
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,679
» Yeah. It's going to have to come out

673
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:13,040
» with with that kind of
>> restaurant

674
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:17,040
$600
>> with with that kind of uh with that kind

675
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:21,040
of time.
>> How much money is that?

676
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:26,239
» So right now you're looking at January
or February before anything would go if

677
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:29,280
you voted on it today.
So

678
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:32,800
» and what do you pay right now for a base
figure?

679
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:36,040
I don't know.
I'm assuming

680
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,719
» so one thing

681
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:56,040
the bigger meters are definitely need
to.

682
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:04,239
So Judy, you know, we talked about how
much water loss we've got by now.

683
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,040
Are we going to take that in
consideration

684
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:12,640
as far as
>> this is only comparing water sold

685
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:15,360
not water produced?
>> Yes. This is only water what's actually

686
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,640
gone.
>> So what you're losing isn't factored

687
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:23,960
into here. the uh
>> this is just

688
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:34,080
» this this is it's it's always what goes
through the meter is is what we always

689
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:40,400
use because everything else that
that you have is is uh there's there's

690
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:46,159
no way to tell it. But I will say this
that if you have really old meters in

691
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:50,880
this system that you're losing a lot of
money right through there probably 15 to

692
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,640
25%
just on the meters not reading

693
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,120
correctly.
>> They're not as accurate as they're old.

694
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:03,400
They're not they don't meters are
getting red.

695
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,400
» Huh?

696
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:10,480
» All of them are actually getting red. I
mean if it's it's showing the base or

697
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:15,040
you know like we've run in the situation
before

698
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,880
» but uh
>> all of them that are on the list are

699
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:23,719
getting
>> we are finding that there are exist

700
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,640
» at the plant are they is that one of
these

701
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:35,120
» because I think a lot of this that we're
finding now would help our numbers where

702
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:40,960
we wouldn't snap into as much
>> it's not in guy took it out, but it was

703
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:45,280
a huge
>> was not in the water. You took it out of

704
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:48,280
the water and everything.
>> So,

705
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,600
» yeah, it's it's not included.

706
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:01,440
I just But
>> this is with the assumption that the

707
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:07,840
meters were reading accurately
at various gallons of usage.

708
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:12,600
Is there eight meters older?
>> We have about 150 that are older.

709
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:22,566
» When you say older, what?
>> And a new meter just 58 is $38. So 150

710
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:26,159
times the new
[laughter]

711
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:32,400
» if we replace if we replace our entire
system with new meters, it is1

712
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:35,520
million59.
>> Here's the thing. All that sounds great.

713
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:39,920
We're not even doing the minimum. We're
not even bringing the minimum to even

714
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,199
cover expenses, much less make
improvements.

715
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,159
» Yes.
>> And this hurts. This is going to hurt

716
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:50,719
some people and I don't know how we get
around it. The reason it hurts sometimes

717
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:59,159
previous councils have not done anything
>> to keep up with

718
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:59,159
or anything. As as I said, I I did put

719
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:10,400
» We keep going like this. It's going to
be

720
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:15,880
one of those places.
>> I hate to laugh, but

721
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,880
» yeah.

722
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,840
Yeah.

723
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:35,840
It's underwater. It says base rate and
that shows how much you have at each.

724
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,840
Then it'll say waste water from
sanitation.

725
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,480
Trying to pull up mine.

726
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:49,280
» The only reason I asked you that I was
just curious if currently y'all were

727
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:53,199
charging more for the bigger meters.
maybe not this amount that we had up

728
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:56,880
here, but if you were charging more or
if everybody's base rate depict didn't

729
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:00,560
matter the meter size or not was that
original 29 or whatever it was.

730
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:05,402
» Because then, [clears throat] you know,
like I say, then that that person's bill

731
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,760
is going to go up quite a bit.
[clears throat]

732
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:13,280
» Right.
But a difference between

733
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:18,640
250 and 296 isn't.
>> No, but I'm just saying if it is that

734
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:24,600
$29, I mean the difference in $29 and
925 for that 4 inch compound there's a

735
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,600
big difference

736
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:32,159
$1,000.
>> Yeah.

737
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:36,080
We need to think about that too for like
a commercial business. If they haven't

738
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:39,040
have not been paying those bigger rates
or the bigger

739
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,080
meter size,
>> tell them they got lucky.

740
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:46,080
» Are they We haven't
>> They've been getting free water this

741
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:50,080
whole time.
>> How much did

742
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:55,199
they
>> No, they definitely need to get the hit.

743
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:59,840
I'm talking about like a restaurant. If
their bill goes up a thousand a month,

744
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:03,080
they may say, "I'm not saying
>> I don't know."

745
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:11,600
» So, right now,
>> if he's only been paying $29

746
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,320
» for a 2 in
>> I don't know who's been charging.

747
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,280
» That's what I was asking. Have they been
charging more for the bigger meters or

748
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:23,360
has the base rate been I would just
assume that the base rate had been the

749
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:28,080
same over the cross? No.
Oh, so you do have an older

750
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:31,760
» 135 wasn't been charging charges more.
>> Okay. And so and and does that go up as

751
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:36,400
it goes bigger? You're charging more
stuff right now?

752
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:41,480
» We don't have anything else.
>> We don't have anything else.

753
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,480
» Okay. So there's a chance that

754
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:50,640
» Okay. [snorts] So then you'll have seven
>> 11 customers below that. That would go

755
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:57,320
up significantly.
you know, go from 135 to 592 and then

756
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:57,320
135 to 925

757
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:04,199
» your school.
>> But if if you are

758
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:22,440
» that we discovered in system,
it's

759
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:22,440
it's gallons per thousand. So, um,

760
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:31,040
instead of taking two two and a half
million and dividing it 5,000 and

761
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:35,760
charging, you know, 2521,
they divided the,000 off of the dollar

762
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:40,920
amount. And so they were actually
getting charged.

763
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,920
Z86.

764
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:51,199
So they were charging basically
less like

765
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:56,159
and we can't back billions eight. Well,
well, we can I'm going to be bringing it

766
01:18:52,719 --> 01:19:02,719
to you saying their bill went from $7 or
$800 a month to 15,000

767
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:08,360
mistake corrected
know y'all probably you know

768
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:16,440
» should never be I'm saying even before
this change

769
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,199
» last 520

770
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,040
water.

771
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:36,520
» They should be in shel.
I'm sure

772
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,520
» they didn't know.

773
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:44,120
» We didn't have anybody in the last
several [snorts] offices up there that

774
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,120
didn't realize that.

775
01:19:45,485 --> 01:19:52,080
[clears throat]
>> Word.

776
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:56,320
$14,000 a month
>> for how long? Right.

777
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:03,199
» That's just half what we just made.
There was a problem as much on

778
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:08,560
» the city main agreement was that paid
>> in June of 24 about 20,000

779
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:14,679
city
was a lot more than that.

780
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,679
That was weird.

781
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:23,360
So
>> we're not making decision decisions. We

782
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:26,360
can't
>> Yes.

783
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:36,000
We can we can
we

784
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:43,040
» I'll be honest. I think be pissed.
>> Yes. But again,

785
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:47,840
everyone in this town knows that we
they're going to look at it that it's

786
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:51,360
being raised to fix the problems. They
don't know this is just to

787
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,120
get us where we should be.
>> Break even.

788
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,120
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

789
01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:01,400
» Well, we have to raise

790
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,040
at least do this first. This is the
first step to fixing water. Not this

791
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,199
year.
>> You like,

792
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:15,040
» but if we keep the rates, we will never
fix anything.

793
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:18,719
» Well, in a year, you would have
400500

794
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:21,920
almost $600,000 between water and
wastewater and reserves in Seattle.

795
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,960
» So, that would not
>> We could fix that.

796
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:32,560
» You could fix stuff with
>> Yeah. But on the timeline just I mean if

797
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:36,800
it's truly 160 days you're already
looking at if you vote on it tonight

798
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:41,679
you're already looking at you're into
January right so you wouldn't have to

799
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:48,320
worry about it you were worried about
hitting it during Christmas and stuff

800
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:52,719
» and and so it would already be past that
so

801
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:56,400
» yeah we have to educate people about it
just hits you have

802
01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:00,320
Yeah,
>> it's a horrible marketing thing. We have

803
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:03,760
to make sure we
>> town hall do all that. We have to push

804
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,120
this out there so they're not
blindsided.

805
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,120
» True.

806
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:15,280
» Lastly
about water.

807
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:19,360
Well, they did. Yeah.
>> They stood up and they said, "We're

808
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:24,560
willing to pay for improvements to be
made to this city that yes, raise, you

809
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:28,400
know, pay the raise." That's what they
said. The next time we had one, not

810
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:32,040
anybody came.
>> Yeah.

811
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,040
» Um,

812
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,520
I can't I can't think that the people
that support this are going to come to

813
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:41,040
the town meeting and say, "Yay, we
support this." The only people that are

814
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:44,480
going to come are the ones that
>> come on a town hall. I'm just saying

815
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,920
» they know better water, but they don't
want to support the price increase to

816
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:53,719
get to that point.
>> You can't worry about no matter what we

817
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:53,719
do.

818
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,480
» We got to do what's right for the city.

819
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:03,600
» That has to be done. We got to move
forward.

820
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:09,679
» Yes.
>> And yes, I don't see that anything's

821
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:15,199
changed on change your opinion of that.
Um, I think at this point we just get on

822
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:19,840
there and play with the numbers and see
if 335 or you want 350 or you want 385

823
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:25,360
or you know where you want it to land in
the various uh

824
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:29,920
» put that on the
>> on the city Facebook page and let him

825
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:34,159
share.
>> Yes.

826
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:41,679
exactly why we're doing whatever we're
doing it for.

827
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:47,120
» Range right here that says 335 to 385.
>> I don't know whether y'all want me to

828
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:50,679
populate that with 335 or that 385. So
that's why we need

829
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,080
335

830
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:04,639
» that's never
the 385 gave you the lower base rate.

831
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,320
» Okay.
>> But producing the same amount of money.

832
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:13,320
» Yeah.
>> That's your options. That that's what

833
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,320
she has

834
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:17,080
» to the 335

835
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:28,960
» almost not the last sheet but the first
summary sheet you're going to see 37 and

836
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:36,400
33 on the wastewater 37 for the water
and 33 on the wastewater and the blocks

837
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:42,320
that go along with that on the last
sheet that's that's in the little packet

838
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:46,880
that I gave you, you're going to see
that if you instead of being

839
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:52,880
» Yeah.
>> So at 35 monthly minimum 31 on the

840
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:58,800
wastewater, but the price of water and
wastewater has gone up. So these are the

841
01:24:56,719 --> 01:25:01,800
kind of differences that you're looking
at.

842
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:10,480
You have
commercial

843
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:15,199
there's no difference.
It's just a matter of the meters.

844
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:22,159
» When you get to industrial, it does
change.

845
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:25,120
Uh Mr. King's recommendations don't make
don't differentiate for industrial

846
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:30,800
versus residential.
>> It doesn't really differentiate. it it

847
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:36,639
goes by meter size solely and and that's
what we've always used because that's

848
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:43,719
what the public utility commission and
PCQ always wanted to see. So when you

849
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,719
look at

850
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,199
you have the potential to be going down

851
01:25:49,360 --> 01:26:01,239
» I don't know what the industrial are but
>> if you are using more than $40,000

852
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:01,239
40,000 gallons of water right now

853
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:09,600
that's four times 8.6 six if you're
outside the city limits and then it

854
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:16,320
would be a 3 in
626 right now they're at 79 98 at the

855
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:19,040
way that it's right now
>> in the base

856
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:25,920
» oh I'm saying the base rate which is a
3inch compound will be um 92 and if I

857
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,760
use 40
inch

858
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:33,120
» yeah we do
>> okay I was with 4 inch

859
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:37,080
» that would be industrial 4
I guess I thought that

860
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:48,080
page outside city limit. Yeah. Sorry.
>> And and I'll address this. Me and Julie

861
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:53,280
have talked about it.
>> The type of actually just because I

862
01:26:49,840 --> 01:27:01,840
looked at it today 860. Sorry about
that. That 860 if you did times 4 that's

863
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:06,000
3440. And then plus your base of 522,
it would actually be a less bill than it

864
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,600
is right now.
>> No,

865
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:15,000
» but we even charging on that.
>> We had even charging on that on the old

866
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,000
rates.

867
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,960
» Yes.
I'm just trying to understand.

868
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,960
» We're talking about here.
>> Well, no, but we were charging dollar

869
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:29,040
135 because we didn't have anything well
larger on here than 2 in.

870
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,679
» I'm sorry. So we didn't have anything
larger on here than a 2 inch. So 135 is

871
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,920
what we've been charged for.
>> Yes. As a current rate

872
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,840
» that's going up.
>> So it would go up, but it still wouldn't

873
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:43,960
be. I mean, understand your point, but
it still go up, right?

874
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:51,199
» I thought the new base for was going up
135.

875
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:54,480
paper.
>> Well, I didn't

876
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:59,520
mean
>> what I'm looking at.

877
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:05,360
» It's not
they actually go up. They go up in size

878
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:10,719
difference that you're earning in your
>> potentially losing your gallon. When you

879
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:17,199
go down to $3,
when you go down to three, four, five,

880
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:22,040
six, seven, eight, 35, then whatever it
was, you're not going to be like that.

881
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:43,719
city. Wolf City to Wolf City.
I'm not doing this anymore.

882
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,400
took over.

883
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,960
» But we're only paying $8.

884
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:23,280
30.
>> Oh, she went industrial

885
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:27,360
here.
>> So, right now it's the same thing.

886
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:34,199
» So, what's the difference? The
commercial and industrial show.

887
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,199
» It's all the same.

888
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:48,159
» I guess I'm not saying that we've ever
charged a different rate for

889
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,159
industrial.

890
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,440
It's always been $8

891
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,120
or industrial or commercial
>> industrial industrial

892
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:04,560
» industrial
>> same page

893
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:12,880
or your own
>> page six outside city limits industrial.

894
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:19,360
» Okay. Outside city lines is $41 $71
121 171 22388

895
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:25,360
and 31835.
>> Yes. And then 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. Yes. All

896
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:30,719
y'all. Mhm.
>> And we're going up on all of that.

897
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:37,440
» Yeah. This year going up everything,
including the price for 1,000 gallons. I

898
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:46,159
will I will say this just so all of you
know that if if you charge your outside

899
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:51,760
the city customers more than you charge
your inside the city customers they are

900
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:53,520
the only people who can put you in front
of a rate hearing.

901
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:58,560
» Okay.
>> If you charge if you charge exactly the

902
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:04,239
same amount as your inside city
customers they have no recourse. But a

903
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:09,040
lot of cities they'll charge one and a
half times or double the rates outside

904
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:11,440
the city limits. They'll say,
>> you know,

905
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:13,760
» so all of our rates are the same on
those.

906
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:18,159
» Yeah. I'm just saying that
>> I mean all of our rates are the same.

907
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:22,880
The only thing that changes is the
well the rate by me size, but they're

908
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:25,760
getting charged by gallons the same
amount all the way across the board.

909
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:32,239
» It's just
>> Yeah. But but even even at that even

910
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:35,360
they could still and it only takes 10%
of them. So if there's a hundred out

911
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:39,600
there
>> only 10 of them would have to sign a

912
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:44,719
petition and then the PUC is going to
say why does it cost you more money to

913
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,719
get them water than inside the city
limits

914
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:53,600
outside?
>> I've seen a lot do it. I've I've always

915
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:58,360
suggested not to.
>> They've gone over some of them,

916
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,360
» but

917
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:07,840
I I' most of them do and and I I've
suggested to a lot of them not to just

918
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:10,639
for that reason, especially when you're
making a big increase like you are right

919
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:14,719
now.
>> Yeah, I can see where it being brought

920
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:18,320
up.
>> Yeah. So,

921
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:22,159
» but if you have a if you have a pump
station or something solely for those

922
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:26,159
people on the outside that you're
>> using that pump station and you wouldn't

923
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:28,880
be using that pump station if you didn't
have those out of city that is your

924
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:32,480
justification.
>> That could be your validation, your

925
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:38,239
justification,
>> but I I don't think you have that. So I

926
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:41,760
I would if you had a special lift
station on the waist side if you had

927
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:47,440
» Okay.
>> You know there there could be reasons

928
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:52,320
why you could charge them more. Yes. But
uh but you need to have something to

929
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:56,040
back your back it up is what I'm trying
to say. So

930
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:02,360
» So what is what is the plan?

931
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:12,679
continue with the YouTube
thing. We're almost done.

932
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,800
What are your thoughts on that? Mr. Tom

933
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:32,239
think about more
talking to

934
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:36,689
how many how many years I've been
allowing this to happen yet. And

935
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:39,040
» probably soon for cornies,
[laughter]

936
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,199
» maybe they'll actually, you know,
they'll

937
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,199
» Well, one thing sticks my mind that
little deal that you had the other night

938
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,040
that they donated to that was a ball
face.

939
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:53,065
» Yep.
>> Um,

940
01:33:49,520 --> 01:34:00,000
this is going We've got to do something.
[snorts] We are in running in red. We've

941
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:08,080
got a little less than a million dollars
and this budget is $160 something,000

942
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:13,199
that we're going to be in the red this
year. And if you raise the taxes that

943
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:17,360
much, my goodness.
>> So, we're have to pull it out of out of

944
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:21,760
our account. But it needs to be
>> That's the one thing it does do. It it

945
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,800
allows us to keep the rate of tax so
much to cover that if we're going up on

946
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,760
the rates in the water. Yes.
>> Yeah.

947
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:33,120
» So that that's a that's a positive thing
to me.

948
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:37,760
» Yeah. When we wrap this up to publish it
make that point.

949
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:43,120
» Um not only that, but you shouldn't you
shouldn't have to use tax money to fund

950
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:46,719
water and waste water. They should pay
for themselves.

951
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:52,199
» Water should fund water.
Yes. For sure.

952
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:52,199
» We see this all the time.

953
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:00,080
You can't go, you can't stay in business
>> if you don't raise your price. Look at

954
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:04,400
McDonald's. I mean, you used to be able
to get a dollar cheeseburger. That

955
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:10,360
dollar cheeseburger is now a $2.19
cheeseburger.

956
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,360
» Yeah.

957
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,440
» It's homemade.

958
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:21,639
» Well, I don't know if that's possible to
do based on what we're told by

959
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,679
Well, that's that's how long it takes
them to get the I guess to

960
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:34,199
get the sanitation done in what three
months

961
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:43,000
» they going to help anybody
make any happier if we split up.

962
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,960
» You're going to make them mad twice.
>> You're going to make them mad twice.

963
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:49,040
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Like we went up. Oh We went

964
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:54,241
up again. Yes.
>> Or do you do it all at one time?

965
01:35:52,276 --> 01:35:56,261
» [clears throat]
[laughter]

966
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:09,360
» There's commercial owners here.
>> You got commercial property.

967
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:12,719
» You got it. I got it. We're all going to
ad

968
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,520
» You're going to hear complaints either
way. Do you want to hear two sets of

969
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:23,040
complaints or one? You know, and it's
going to be the same people.

970
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:26,040
» Yeah. Yeah, I mean
>> probably

971
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,600
these rates need to be

972
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:43,520
» we don't have to go through this again
and we can if we get grants and stuff in

973
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:46,639
if there's some way that that price
comes down we're going to bring the

974
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:50,239
price down.
>> Yes.

975
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,199
Don't ever drop them once you get them
up there. Don't ever go backwards,

976
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:59,719
» right? That's what you hope for.

977
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:16,719
» We can lower or not
to be a regular policy to review this

978
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:22,440
every year. Every year. Okay.
>> Does it have to be at budget time?

979
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:22,440
» No.

980
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:35,040
» We do it early here. Then we're not
adjusted for

981
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:39,520
that time either.
>> We should have dealt with it. So they

982
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:42,159
could have it in the system. So we'll
have it September the 1. You know what

983
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,600
I'm saying?
>> That's

984
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,960
we start to go up on it now. that
actually could lower the tax rate that

985
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:52,639
we're
currently talking about.

986
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:56,800
» No, because we're taking that out of
text. Well, you take it out of text.

987
01:37:55,119 --> 01:38:01,199
» You just have to review it or decide
upon it before May of each year because

988
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:04,960
then you're going into budget season and
making your decisions there. So, if you

989
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:08,080
had whatever rate you wanted
established,

990
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:16,080
» then you know what it's going to
generate and project it forward.

991
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:20,920
» January, winter months payments. 12
by that one. The last rate increased.

992
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:28,639
» Yeah, but it was a it was a little one.
I remember

993
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:35,119
just the base rate.
>> Yeah,

994
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:37,920
» the base rate and then we brought that
tier in there.

995
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:46,400
» Right. Right.
>> We stop losing giving away the 20. Yeah.

996
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:54,800
» Yeah, that's right.
>> 335. At 335, that's going to make

997
01:38:50,400 --> 01:39:00,320
basically the the base rate north $7.
>> Yes. Yes.

998
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:05,280
$7. The base rate goes up 733, I think.
And then

999
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:11,920
that's at 335.
>> It goes from 29. What you're looking at

1000
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:16,159
» based on the number that 4342 that we
looked at and we use an average of 5,000

1001
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:23,520
56% of the population in this town is
going to pay $30 more if we go $23

1002
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,239
» right off the bat that's going to go up
30 bucks.

1003
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:33,840
» Yes.
>> So whatever bill was add 30 to it at 56%

1004
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:38,560
then the tiers below that 30 go.
the if we take

1005
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:43,119
» you're using more than 5,000. Yes.
>> Yeah.

1006
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:48,000
» If if we take 100% of the depreciation
out, this is why I'm saying you're not

1007
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:55,600
really funding depreciation. It starts
looking a lot like your rates right now.

1008
01:39:51,440 --> 01:40:00,800
Okay. So, that I put a zero in there.
>> And uh

1009
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:05,760
when I put it back, then it's where it
needs to be.

1010
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:10,639
» Yeah. So I just [snorts] that's that's
something that

1011
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:16,880
if if you don't fund it, you never have
any money to do anything in

1012
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:19,440
» tax dollars to fix
it. Right.

1013
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:24,159
» So,
>> yeah. And that's

1014
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:28,719
» Yeah,
we've been

1015
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:32,560
spoke to them
money to have another whale somewhere

1016
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:35,880
and be putting more water meters out all
over the place.

1017
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:45,360
» You all know where I stand.
>> You know where I stand. [laughter]

1018
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:47,679
» I'm not sure I do. Scott, you can tell
me. Yeah.

1019
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,560
» Well, there's two positives there. One,
if we get the money and we're able to

1020
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:56,159
fix stuff for
after the the year, I think it's a great

1021
01:40:54,639 --> 01:41:02,719
thing.
They're going to but

1022
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:07,520
explain right
amount of money to actually start

1023
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:10,080
improving things that I think it'll all
be better off.

1024
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:14,080
» Yeah.
>> And the other positive thing,

1025
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:18,525
» the ranks won't go up till the nonprofit
council

1026
01:41:16,505 --> 01:41:18,525
» [laughter]

1027
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:28,159
» They won't be calling everybody.
>> You'll still number

1028
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:32,880
one.
>> Don't give me your number. [laughter]

1029
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:35,600
» I don't care how much money we have.
It's not going to completely fix the

1030
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:39,360
brown water. It's always going to be
there. So,

1031
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:43,840
» you'll have to replace taps and that's
>> No, no, I get that. But still that I

1032
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:46,880
don't I don't
we're still going to have brown water

1033
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:51,119
every now and then.
>> Well, everybody even you break a p

1034
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:54,880
you're going to have brown water.
>> So in other words, they're going to

1035
01:41:52,480 --> 01:42:00,920
those same people that complain
>> about the going to complain about it

1036
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:00,920
going up and then complain

1037
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:10,159
» which we all know. And unfortunately
around East Texas you have what's called

1038
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:14,880
tannins and it comes from oak leaves.
You have tannins in the water. others.

1039
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:20,400
» And and there's it's just one of those
things that yes, it it does stain the

1040
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:26,239
water and when you put the chlorine in
it, it actually cleans it up, but when

1041
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:32,000
you change the chemistry in the hot
water heater and things like that, then

1042
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,880
that tannins will fall out in their hot
water heaters and most of it is going to

1043
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:41,520
be in their hot water heater. They need
to hook a hose up on the bottom of their

1044
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:47,280
hot water heater and drain their, you
know, every now and again.

1045
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:52,280
» Hey, I have to do it at my house because
I got iron. You know, it's red water.

1046
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,119
» Yeah.

1047
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:03,326
Tell them to flush more often if it's
brown in the

1048
01:43:01,306 --> 01:43:03,326
[laughter]

1049
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,840
» defining.

1050
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:22,880
I just got out of the shower and all
that one night. They said your 10 out of

1051
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:28,760
the water was off.
>> Yeah. 10 water breaks in the last week.

1052
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:36,880
» Everybody's seeing it. That's Yeah,
that's a good old ground.

1053
01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:40,119
» So dry. We got all that rain and then it
got dry.

1054
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:49,400
» I mean,

1055
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:55,920
you know, that's kind of where I
located. Did we have a questions

1056
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,159
for I don't think so. This was so
helpful,

1057
01:43:56,239 --> 01:44:02,239
» Mr. Paul. This is so helpful.
>> Yeah,

1058
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:06,960
» it's not an easy pill to the uh
>> he's very he's very helpful in how I

1059
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:10,960
mean it makes sense to me.
>> It makes sense to me now.

1060
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:18,080
» Uh why we got to do this,
>> right? I it's it's important and and

1061
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:23,199
that's why I always stress doing water
rates uh when I was a circuit writer

1062
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:28,880
because I thought it was the best thing
that I could do for water systems to get

1063
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:33,280
them to where they needed to be, you
know, making the amount of money they

1064
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:38,560
needed to be so they can do projects on
their own instead of having to go beg

1065
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:43,840
for money or whatever, you know, and and
or having to take out loans, you know, I

1066
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:51,199
would rather put
$200,000 worth of CIP in there instead

1067
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:57,440
of them having to pay back a huge note
to on a loan that they got to pay for

1068
01:44:53,760 --> 01:45:05,400
for 40 years at, you know, 4% interest
or six or whatever it is. So,

1069
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,400
» yeah.

1070
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:22,400
» Here, you sleep,
>> right?

1071
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,960
» I don't want to pay the money, but you
know what choice do you have,

1072
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:27,520
» right? Yeah.
>> So, you know,

1073
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:32,840
» you enjoy being able to turn your faucet
on and that water coming out. I just

1074
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,840
like got

1075
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:42,000
» here to get your feet wet. We had two
well count. We had three people run for

1076
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:45,440
three spots on the counter.
>> Far I'm concerned. If you don't get

1077
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,159
involved, shut your mouth.
>> Agree.

1078
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:53,080
» All right.
>> Yeah.

1079
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:53,080
» Way I looked at it really

1080
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:02,400
long ways and uh
So so appreciative of you, Paul. Yeah.

1081
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:08,480
» You're welcome.
>> You didn't have to come tonight, but we

1082
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:14,719
needed we needed this. We needed you
here.

1083
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:18,159
» Won't let it go to the wayside like
>> good.

1084
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:24,560
» We did this tonight. This has been
recorded tonight,

1085
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:33,360
» right? and the citizens can view this
uh and hopefully we can uh I mean this

1086
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:36,960
is good very good information
>> right

1087
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:41,920
» and understand what where we're coming
from we don't want to raise the rates

1088
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:44,239
but there is no choice at this
>> no

1089
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:48,400
» and
so

1090
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:51,600
um how far you come here
>> uh this side Mac and Oasis actually.

1091
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,600
» Yeah.
>> And we're about to

1092
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:58,560
» I live in Celeste. So, not too too far.
>> Yeah. So,

1093
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:01,119
» in Celeste, just north of Greenville.
>> Okay.

1094
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:05,199
» Only about an hour.
>> This is Yeah.

1095
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:08,159
» 15. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1096
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:14,639
» We cover a lot of area. This is not for
me. I go to Amarillo. I go

1097
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:23,119
» Yeah. And and before
>> if y'all don't have any other questions,

1098
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:27,520
Sunday men go. And thank you. We
>> we can rrestle the rest of this stuff

1099
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:31,360
out. Thank you so much.
>> Well, they I thought we were going to

1100
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:37,840
have to go back to old school to tell
you that I didn't think we were gonna

1101
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:42,800
» I don't know if I do. But you have my
part as well since Paul is gonna be

1102
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:48,520
going. He's switched over here.
So if you have any more questions about

1103
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:48,520
it more

1104
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:16,800
she's
technically a registered voter here yet.