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Good evening, everybody. At this time, please silence your cell phone via vices, proceedings are being recorded for those physically present, the council chamber, who desire to address the city council during the meeting. Please complete the request to speak form, available on the front entrance of the council chambers and present to the city clerk.

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Speaker's physically present and participate in VIE Zoom. We'll be called upon in the appropriate time and each person allow three minutes of speaking time

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and it calls meeting order convened

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City of Grant Terrace on Tuesday October 8, 2024, 6 p.m.

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The invocation began by a pastor Jason from Lingwood Church and

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The Pledge of Allegiance Council of Women's Review. You have somebody want to do the Pledge of Allegiance. I do. I have Emma Savino representing homeschool children today

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Okay, so, she'll do that right after the invocation, so can I have you right please stand

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Pastor Jason, please come to a podium.

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Hey, man, if we can just bow our heads in this prayer.

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Heavenly Father, we come to you this evening in the name of Jesus and Father, we just invite

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you in this place tonight.

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We pray and ask for your presence and your glory to fill this room.

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We pray and ask for your wisdom and your guidance as decisions are made.

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We pray for our city leaders that you would guide them and lead them in every decision.

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We pray for our city and it's people that you would protect and bless them.

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We pray for provision for everyone in need that they may have everything they need, Father.

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We pray that tonight that your will will be done and that you and your long father will

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get the glory and all the honor.

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We ask you this in your precious name.

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Amen.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm sure you're working on your role call.

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Councilmember Sabina.

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Councilmember Henderson.

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Present.

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Councilmember Allen.

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Present.

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Mayor Protoam Wilson.

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I am here.

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Mayor Hussie.

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Present.

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Mayor you have a call.

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Thank you.

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Recording have additions are removal of the items from the agenda do we have any?

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No additions or deletions.

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Okay.

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Mr. Mayor.

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Yes.

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Councilman.

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Cool items.

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On the consent calendar.

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We'll begin.

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Sorry for that.

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I made a mistake on which item we were on.

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All right.

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Public comment.

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The Supreme for the members of the public to come in.

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I don't have any items on a parent on the regular agenda because of restrictions containing

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California law.

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The City Council may not discuss or act on any item, not on the agenda by may briefly

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respond to statements made.

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I'll ask questions for clarification as a mayor may also request a brief response from

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staff.

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Questions raised during the public comment are may request the matter be a agenda for future

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meetings.

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Adam City Clerk.

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First one is Shedbal.

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Mr. Bull.

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Good evening.

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everybody could even leave the mayor City Council and staff.

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I've recently asked my name is Chad Bull.

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I recently asked the residents of Grand Terrace,

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what do they want from City Council and what?

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I just wanted to share this information.

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So, based on that poll,

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based on the information that the residents of Grand Terrace

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stated, they want a community center,

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not just the senior center, but an actual community center.

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They're going to offer basic skills trainings

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like back when I taught the electrical safety class from a pair, back we had the

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Rex Center. They would like the Veterans Health Program, knitting, sewing,

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craft classes, basically skills that people could learn. They would like to provide

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a home for the Boy Scouts and the Cubs Scouts and Expand Youth Programs.

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Encourage volunteers. We have a vast amount of talent in our city,

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which is just we tap into that. Another item is people who have said that they want a

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park, the provided a dedication, recreation space for skaters, or if the city can't do it,

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then help a local business get there. I had someone complaining about building permits in the

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cost of those, so I wanted to say about dealing with the prices there, and a lot more flexibility

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with like, say, metal storage buildings and so on and so forth. Several people have been

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I haven't had a long conversation with them,

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but sidewalks do Michigan Preston.

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Empty, Phil empty buildings with businesses,

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to track new businesses and revitalize unused space.

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Think of we have that going on with the video store now.

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Public safety, hire more officers

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and create citizens patrol, neighborhood watch programs,

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people would like to abolish fireworks.

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They just say it's just not safe and too much of a hassle

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and too much of a challenge.

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Bring back Halloween.

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This is an interesting one.

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It said, bring back Halloween back to Richard Rollins Park.

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Someone said that Halloween is not a car show.

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Trunker treat is great.

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Make it a social event with local businesses in support.

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Organize to a costume test.

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We'll costume contests with businesses that don't need stuff.

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If the city doesn't host a Halloween event, then strongly support terrorist view

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all festival.

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Better city communication. One of the things that I have seen quite a few times

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now is that people just don't get the information across. Whether they're going to the city

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website, kind of confusing, kind of challenging, or Facebook, which we all know that can be

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unique to say the least. Approved in the communication, clean up the city's presence, and what

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about the electric sign on Canalum Out Vernon.

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We spent a lot of money to get that sucker up a long time ago

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and it has not worked since then.

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A lot of the technologies come about,

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maybe we can do something about that.

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Architecture can consistency.

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Address would happen soon to the Barton Plan

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and cohesiveness in the city's architect.

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Water conservation rebates.

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A lot of people are starting to talk about that

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as we have been dealing with not so much rain this year.

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Offer rebates for homeowners who switch to water-conserving landscapes.

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Inspire this is someone that said to me a couple of times.

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Inspired landlords to actually care.

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To actually fix things that are there.

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We have some landlords out there that just the business owners are having to really fight

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to get them to fix things.

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So those are just some of the words in the community and thought I would share.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Boyd on. One thing for the community to come to the council meetings. We do have things in the works.

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And they could be informed about it, you know, the community center. We're working on that.

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The best thing to do is come to council meetings. Voice your opinion on the, and then also,

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I only come up with a complaint, come up with a solution. How are you going to do it?

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are going to be the person that volunteers, the help get it done,

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are you one other people to do it for you?

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So that's the best way.

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And I know this season's got a lot of volunteers.

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So thank you for bringing that attention to.

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I'm seeing Clark.

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Clint Bosner?

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Hi there, Council.

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My name is Clint Bosner.

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I'm a resident here in Granteria,

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I've bought my first house in March of last year

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on Vivian Avenue, right across from the school.

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And it's been a long time.

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I've been most at home, most for the last 18 months,

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trying to get my house fixed.

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I'm two weeks away from completion, trying to get it done.

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And when I woke up today, I went over to my house

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to get everything.

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I noticed that there was a speed clock thing

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that's been stalled right outside of my gate.

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And, as a little armed by it, I wasn't notified, anything, I just kind of showed up.

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I went by the city manager's office, Mr. Blow is today, and he said that this council

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here was kind of responsible for deciding to do that around town.

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And I understand, I have a fortune up this last year to become a father.

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I have a 18-month-old daughter, you know, safety is important.

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and I understand the science.

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Two kind of experiment with the sign today,

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the sign is 25 miles an hour.

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It has one, mine faces towards,

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so Vivian, but Vivian, I'm on, is right by the coolest act there.

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So it's good, it's the only effective street

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that would make that sign worth anything,

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would be car hard.

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I went down car hard today and it's impossible

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to make the turn at a speed of over 30 miles an hour you likely end up in Mr.

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Jimonis from Yard if you did. I stopped the sign. I have a V8 3.6 liter with a chip.

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I'm up to about 360 horsepower. I'm a truck. I floored it. It's been the wheels.

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It did four times. I tried to see if I could get red over 25 miles an hour by

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time I had the sign. Best I got to was 22. So unless someone has a vehicle that's

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and be, you know, sports car, we're not even going to be able to effectively get a reading

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over 25.

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You could go to the end and drag race your car down, but I don't think there's likely to

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be, you know, high hope that our competent shares of the department would catch them

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if they're drag racing on our street, and I'm sure the residents would call.

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So I don't want to just, like you mentioned earlier, I don't want to just present a problem,

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I want to present a solution.

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I, you know, I did notice that my vehicle, I could get it over 30 miles an hour.

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Once I passed the Vivienne Street, kind of where the school is.

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So I was thinking, you know, if it's possible to potentially relocate it to a place that

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could, you know, better the community, off of, you know, my property there, and maybe cross

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the street.

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Or if we could remove it completely, because I, you know, I know they're expensive, and

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And there's probably other places in Granteurs that could use the sign and create more safety

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in our public.

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So I guess I'm out of time, but, you know, thank you for hearing it, and if it is possible

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to me with you guys later, or outside of this, I can greatly appreciate it.

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Okay.

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City Manager, are those signs placed, do we do a survey when they're a place to make sure we're

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getting the max effective right now?

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place by recommendation of the city engineer and work with the sheriff's department as well.

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So the idea is to have both directions entering and leaving the schools because of the highest

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danger areas. And as we've had multiple, no, sir, your time is there.

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We've had multiple requests from the residents here in these chambers. We've heard this

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over and over that we'd like some control. That's where we're meeting that request and

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I've seen the what are residents of Ascore, okay?

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And then one word of advice, I want to be seen

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that you did excessive speed and everything

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with the sheriff right there, you know?

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You know, when you light up the tires, that's it.

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I mean, you know, if you want to, you know,

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put yourself guilty and stuff, but.

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Yeah, light your tires up, I'm sure your neighbors

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aren't very happy with you right now, so.

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But no, we do do it, so we do put these signs

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And we have heard for the last couple of years

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about people speeding up and down streets.

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And no signs are going almost everywhere in the city.

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So unfortunately, I don't know, went from your place.

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You look at the draw.

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I have no idea that's what we pay these engineers for.

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Pay them a lot of money for it.

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They do other surveys on that.

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I don't think they light up the tires,

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but they do other surveys.

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But I mean, we can look into it.

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But if that's the place, the engineers recommended it.

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I mean, I want to put stuff signs in some places

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an engineer say no, and we can't do it because of the liability risk.

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Yeah, it doesn't matter if every occupant on the streets or we go back and forth, but

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it's what the city does.

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Why I appreciate you coming out and voicing your concern to them.

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And like I said, that's what the engineers say and that's what's going

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to happen.

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Maybe they're slowing down now.

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Well, you know what?

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I'm going to have you.

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I'm going to have you email me, you're address, and I'm going to come by.

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I'm not going to be speeding though.

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So you clerk could we have?

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Cindy Bidney?

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Hi. Good evening. I wanted to talk about the housing element. I realized

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that you're talking about, and you took it off the contract. I wanted, since it's

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scary enough again, I'd like to bring up a couple of issues about the housing element and

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transparency. And one of the biggest things brought up about the housing element is that

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the public doesn't understand how it affects them.

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I think there needs to be more done with educating the public and making things really clear, because it is going to affect them.

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I had a question about the regional housing needs number, and if J.C. Wallace is a part of that number, has it been included?

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And I also wanted to talk about allowing a higher density housing in a small town to meet the requirements of the regional housing needs assessment, which is RHNA and everything,

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can bring a variety of drawbacks depending on the community's specific characteristics and resources.

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here are some concerns, strain on the infrastructure. We're a very small town and we don't

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have enough money for our infrastructure and we're proposing to increase the density. Again,

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I don't like that idea. I didn't like it in the first place. Grant Harris is a small community

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and we like it. Impact on community character. There we go. Environment and environmental concerns

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public opposition and social transitions, affordable housing and economic challenges, school

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and public service overload, traffic and transportation increase,

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challenges with zoning

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and planning, definitely mismatch and local employment opportunities, long-term maintenance

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and upkeep. I'd just like you to consider all of those, and I'll give this to you, which will

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elaborate what I'm talking about, and you don't have to listen to me, Mayor. Thank you.

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Well, thank you, Ms. Bailey. I'm just going to, I'm sorry.

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Southern California, Associate Governor, we're not the only city that's doing that. You're not the only

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with the same concerns that's brought numerous times it's what the state and you guys already know

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what the state's mandating, high density and everywhere, affordable housing, affordable housing

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is a means sectionage. It means people that try to get affordable housing you might be $4,000,000,

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$5,000 a month and so you could if you want we could talk about but we're at the same thing

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The state mandates a lot of the high-density housing.

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Mr. Mayor, if I might.

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This is for the response to this business comments and for the benefit of the audience.

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There's an item on our consent calendar that approves an agreement with Michael Baker International

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for an update of our housing element.

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What's important about that document, that agenda item,

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is it has attached to it the letter from the State Department of Housing and Community

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Development, requesting certain changes to the city of grand terrace housing

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element, a extensive letter, their significant requirements, and it's important that the

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community understands that these, as they may are indicated, these are requirements

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imposed by the State of California, it's not something that the city of grand terrace has

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opposed within our corporate boundaries.

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So I would encourage you to get a copy of the letter,

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understand the letter if you don't contact staff,

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so that you can have the appropriate consultation,

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but it's truly important for the community to understand

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what the city, excuse me, the state is imposing upon the city.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, Councillor Henderson.

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Okay, who's next?

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Bobby Forbes.

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Ms. Forbes.

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Good evening. Thank you. I was already going to come and speak about a new clock on Grand Terrace Road for the speed.

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And then my nephew Clinton called me this afternoon to tell me about the sign that showed up next to his gate on his property at Vivienda.

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I went by and looked at it as well when it when I came around the corner from Carhart it wouldn't even register me because I was driving just the normal speed.

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But I think it should be my personal opinion, and I know that you have your person that does the surveys.

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It should probably be over in the land 50 feet from his house on this Colton Unified School District property where they toured the barn down.

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Then people have enough time to accelerate and see what speed they're going.

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The one on Grand Terrace Road, just north of Barton Road, which is the road that I travel ten times a day sometimes.

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The fastest it will clock me is 17 because I barely have my foot on the pedal coming from Barton Road.

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it's so close to Barton Road, it seems like it too

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should probably be another hundred feet down the road

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when people are actually driving at that point

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and accelerating.

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So I haven't been anywhere else in town

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to see where there might be other new signs put up,

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but those are the two that I feel are in the wrong location,

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just my opinion, and if I don't share it,

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then you don't know how I feel.

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I know that there was an incident last week

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with a burglary, and it is my understanding

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through the great sign that the burglary was from JCW

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I've been taking pictures of them urinating in the bushes, pan handling, I call the sheriff when I do this.

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I don't get the full picture of them urinating in the bushes of course, but that's what they're doing.

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And so I realize that these people are allowed to come out on the street, but if they're being taught how to act in public,

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there should be somebody with them teaching them how to act in public.

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I have a problem with this. Last night I had to call the sheriff as I was leaving my office.

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there was somebody a homeless man that turns out and I just saw him a few minutes ago as I was

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on my way here. 25 feet behind me in the dark, half dressed with his bags. I called the sheriff,

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the sheriff's deputy was kind enough to call me back. He did spot him up by the Chevron by the time

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that he got into town. But we need another deputy. I'm pushing for that bill to pass it November

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ballot. I appreciate when the deputies come out when I call. Thank you very much. But we have a

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with JC Wallace more than what the general public sees.

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I see it every single day.

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Some of you do.

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That woman lied to us.

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She's lied to us more than once.

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I hope that the city is addressing it,

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but I know that no one from the Sheriff's Department is coming and saying,

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look, we're talking to them once a week now.

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Something's wrong there.

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Please address it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All

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right.

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No more public comment.

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No more? Okay.

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If you want to close public comment, thank you everybody for your insight.

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Special recognition, Friends of Blue Mountain.

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So I'm going to introduce the Friends of Blue Mountain representative, and ask them to

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come forward to lecture a few words, who's speaking for the Friends of Blue Mountain?

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Anybody?

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Mr. Kid.

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Well, Dennis Kid, President of the Friends of the Blue Mountain,

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started board of directors right here, and we just donated two parcels

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towing 10.6 acres to kind of get the ball roll on for the Blue Mountain Park.

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And so that's our goal to have a park on the Blue Mountain.

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Well, we really appreciate Mr. Kid and especially all the hard work

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numerous years you guys have been doing, they get that going, and it's gonna happen one day,

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you know, it's gonna be there, future generations to enjoy, besides just the donkeys enjoying it,

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but yeah, it's gonna,

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it's gonna be there, and you know, it's, unfortunately, the slow-wheel

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progress, you know how it goes for, and with all the surveys and the liabilities and everything,

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But you know, we really appreciate you donating to the city, but just one question, is there

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gold in that mountain?

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It's gold?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Before we, I read the certificate, I'd like to give my fellow council members a chance to

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recognize you and say a few words of the April 10th.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Dennis, we've known each other for a long time.

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Yes, we have.

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And you know that I've been a big supporter of the blue mountain.

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Yes.

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And of course, I live right below it.

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So I really appreciate all the effort you put into it.

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You know, it's that old deal that it takes a bulldog with big teeth to hang in there.

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And I'm sure that what your efforts have provided is a legacy.

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And that's a great thing. Now you feel free if you want to donate any more property.

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Okay. Okay. All right.

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There will take the avocado ranch, too.

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Yeah, yes, exactly.

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And as you being the number one farmer in our in our small city.

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Sure, appreciate your efforts that way.

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I mean, we've known each other since 1977,

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7, 7, 7, 6, some of the directions, so it's been a long fabulous road, so thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your effort.

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Councilman.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Dennis, for your generosity and I know your heart was in it, because you and

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I've talked a lot over the years, and I know you love this city, and I know you love

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this, this, that mountain.

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And so, and thank you for, it will be a legacy for generations to come.

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Oh, good.

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One other question, when you bought that mountain, how much was it back in a mule or something?

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I mean, I'm sure the rates went up a long time ago.

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Oh, I don't know.

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I just kind of came along with the growth.

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What was your dream from the beginning to have a hiking trail when you first bought that parcel?

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What did you want with that life?

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Well, no, I just say it came with the grove.

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Oh, I can't let the grove, but this ten-and-a-breakers,

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the friends with my purchase, that's all.

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So how is your grove doing?

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Well, it doesn't like this hot weather.

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Well, we really appreciate it in the album.

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Thank you again, and anybody else?

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Oh, OK.

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City Manager, you want to say something to Mr. Kid here?

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I've just done it since been a pleasure and working with somebody like you that really, really cares about the community.

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Doesn't just talk about it. It puts as money where his mouth is, puts his effort into it.

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Thank you. It has been a pleasure doing. We can't do this.

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I know Canada says we're in a big supporter through the years of New Mountain Park.

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So thank you, Canada.

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Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

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In my wife and I've been big supporters of the Blue Mountain, we've made a couple of contributions

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over the years.

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I usually see Dennis when I do see him at the orchard when I'm taking my walk, and so

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at my Blue Mountain, T-shirt, the walk that the friends developed over the years, and very,

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very helpful with the development of that will occur on that mountain, and it could not

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we've heard without your assistance and the assistance of your board that are here tonight.

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I appreciate that very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, sir.

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Well, we have anybody else.

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We have a certificate for you.

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Appreciation.

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A certificate is probably present to the Friends of Blue Mountain.

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An appreciation for your generosity.

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Donation of the land.

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To the City of Grand Tares.

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We express our sincere gratitude for your contribution and support of the community.

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And they call it a life for all the residents.

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presented at the eight day of October, 2024,

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signed by myself, and my fellow council members.

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So, and we also got some pins for you

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that you can hand out, and I think you get out

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of a ticket for it, right?

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One free ticket pass, but we want you to have it now.

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It's gold from Blue Mountain.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, okay.

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But we'd like to have you come up here, sir.

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We'll give you the certificate, and then take a picture.

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and your other colleagues will like the joiners.

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What would Dennis' contribution and the city, what we're doing and other people are contributing. So one day, you know, that trail will be open every day. I know I have some people saying, I want the trail open. I have some people saying they want the trail open, but it will be nice. Instead of once a year, but it's a good recreational thing. And we thank you again, Dennis. God bless.

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Okay, the consent counter, the following consent counter items are expected to be routine, non-controversive,

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active upon the City Council at one time without discussion. Any council members, staff members,

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this may request, remove the item. Council members, handers to one at number two and four for discussion.

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Does anybody else want to remove anything for discussion?

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Okay, do I have a motion for one, three, five, six and seven?

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I'll move up one, three, five, six, and seven.

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Second, I have a first and a second.

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Do we have any public comment on any of these?

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No, sir.

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Okay. Please vote.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Okay, Councillor Handerson, item two.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I have a couple questions regarding the check register.

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The first involves a $25,000 payment to Ralph Anderson

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and associate for the City Clerk recruitment.

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And I just want to ask the manager, it's this payment in advance of the services provided by Ralph Anderson.

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Yes, and we're done. We're done with the recruitment as well.

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It's done.

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It's done.

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Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

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My second question is the payment of approximately $455,000 for unfunded accrued liability.

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the rate plan.

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Is there a, I'm sorry, director Clayton is there a balance that we're paying on, and is this one of those regular payments that typically occurs?

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This is, this is one of the payments that we do annually every year.

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And it fluctuates depending on what the, what Calbers as a whole has done for the year.

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So sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down,

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this year unfortunately it went up,

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but it isn't annual payment.

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Do we have an outstanding balance

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on our unfunded crude liability?

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We do.

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In that amount, yes?

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I do not have that with me, but I can get it to you.

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OK, thank you, man, appreciate it.

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It is in the millions, and the multiple of millions.

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So I'm trying to remember, we discussed this about a year.

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I'm trying to remember what it was.

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Six and a half, five and a half, something like that.

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It's a significant number.

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That's right. Okay. Thank you. This is City Manager.

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So you have a, you want to make a motion for two, and was that for two and four or was that just for two?

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That was just for two. Okay. So you go ahead and you want, you have a question on number four.

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We'll do them both at the same time.

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Yes. Yeah. In reading through the entire staff report, the state's letter indicates that since about 2021,

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one, the city has been working to get its housing element approved.

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And when you read the letter from the state, housing can be developed in the carpet, it

474
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,000
almost seems at least to my way of looking at it that we're almost starting from scratch all

475
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,460
over again.

476
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:45,520
Is that a fair assessment?

477
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,100
I believe with the Michael Baker team doing their first draft, which we submitted

478
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:56,320
in May and got the comment letter in July, that was almost a complete

479
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,360
re-boot and for transparency for the public and the Council I included that working draft is an exhibit

480
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,940
to the request for this item tonight so you can see how much effort Michael Baker had to put

481
00:34:07,940 --> 00:34:10,320
into that first draft that they took at it.

482
00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:19,900
Thank you for that. Is there light at the end of the

483
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:25,480
tunnel? I agree with the staff recommendation and I don't have any problems with the appropriating

484
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:32,680
the funds for the continued work on Michael Baker, but I was more than a bit concerned reading

485
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:39,960
the state ACD letter. It's almost as though some of those issues are very difficult for

486
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:46,440
a city like Grant Harris to accomplish. And so my concern of course is appropriating an additional

487
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:55,180
$39,000 for a total of $375,000. And then you report back to us three, four, five, six months

488
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,540
from now that the target has moved once again.

489
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,360
So is Michael Baker having appropriate consultations

490
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,740
in your opinion with the state HVD staff

491
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:07,180
to hopefully prevent that from occurring?

492
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,000
Yes, I have full confidence in the Michael Baker team,

493
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,580
that they've shown to me that they're fully committed

494
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:17,560
to helping the grand terrace get across the finish line.

495
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,640
In fact, one of their key team members Hannah had come up

496
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,540
from San Diego tonight, just in case any members

497
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:29,980
of the Council and any specifics, but we have had a lot of progress in almost bi-weekly

498
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:34,640
communications with our state representative as we move forward and I believe things

499
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,580
are looking very optimistic here with the next and hopefully final reiteration of the

500
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:45,560
housing element, which we would have to bring back for adoption before we submit it.

501
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,540
Hannah is here, should anybody want to speak directly with Michael Baker team for a really

502
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:52,980
good insight based fall of the count to what's happening?

503
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:59,700
So, and to add to that, Michael Baker is doing multiple different housing elements for different cities.

504
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,560
So, they're not just kind of winging it for us. They are highly experienced and capable.

505
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:12,880
And our biggest concern which matches yours is that HCD seems to be moving the goalposts as we submit.

506
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:20,740
So, our fear is also that we'll fill these very challenging requirements for city art size.

507
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:27,320
I'm almost, in some cases, I think I'm almost impossible, but we fulfill them and then we come

508
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,600
back with the state with new or additional requirements.

509
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:37,760
And on the long run, this has been now not just for us, but for hundreds of cities in the

510
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,700
state and going through this cycle, the next housing element cycle is going to be coming up,

511
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:47,960
which we should be starting working on right about now, but we have not completed the last

512
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,940
housing element cycle, and so it's going to be very interesting how HCD in the state

513
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:59,460
handles the newest iteration, one most of the cities in the state, don't have housing

514
00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:00,500
element yet.

515
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,460
Thank you for that, Mr. City Manager and Director Hutter.

516
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:14,390
Paragraphs, I think it's three and four on the first page of the letter from HCD,

517
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:17,440
struck

518
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:25,640
me as being kind of like a guillotine over the head of the city of Grant Harris, and setting

519
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:35,300
the stage for potential disapproval of the next submission or finding us out of compliance

520
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:43,180
with our general plan because the housing element is no longer pertinent. I saw a letter from

521
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:47,420
another jurisdiction, I want to say the city of Norwalk, but I could be wrong. It

522
00:37:47,420 --> 00:37:54,220
had virtually that same language in the letter before a CD came down on that particular community.

523
00:37:54,980 --> 00:38:00,860
So I want to make clear to my colleagues and to the community at large that our staff has

524
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:06,880
been extremely diligent in pursuing and improved housing elements. It's been extraordinarily

525
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,760
difficult. We've talked about different staff people, different administrations being involved,

526
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,680
but the current staff, the current city manager, the current director, and the current consultant

527
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,540
have done really good work on behalf of the city and I just want to didn't want to leave

528
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:27,100
the wrong impression with my comments about the housing element, because it has the city

529
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:33,760
manager indicated, hundreds of cities in this state face this prospect, but we've been

530
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:44,180
at it since 2021 and based upon the language in the letter submitted to the city, ACD could

531
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:49,120
take any appropriate action, any action that deemed appropriate with the warning that's included

532
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,940
in that letter.

533
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:57,020
So I wish to staff and Michael Baker well, I'm confident that they can overcome the

534
00:38:57,020 --> 00:39:03,640
adversity outlined in the letter from the State ACD, but it's something that we, it's

535
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:10,160
the council and the community have to monitor because not having to prove housing element has

536
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,720
a major impact on this community and any other community that doesn't have to prove

537
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:21,720
So thank you for that, Mr. Mayor, I'm ready to recommend approval for item number four.

538
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:25,740
Okay, the Mayor, Pro Tem has a personal statement.

539
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:26,880
Thank you, Mayor.

540
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:32,420
As most of the people in its audience as well as the General of Citizens, you know,

541
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,100
I have no love for the State bureaucracy.

542
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:44,440
I am second tired of the way we are hammered for things that they don't fund.

543
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:52,680
There seems to be a boy that's afloat where the state of California makes a lot of paperwork

544
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:59,480
and a lot of newspaper mileage out of the idea of affordable housing and then when it

545
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,840
really comes down to the brass tax they back out of it for the funding mechanisms and leave

546
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,380
to the locals, and blame it on the locals.

547
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,460
We are not Silicon Valley, and we never will be,

548
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,020
and we are a more rural community.

549
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,420
And I agree with Bobby's comments

550
00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:22,680
about density and so on.

551
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,200
I think that I would, in fact, I know that I would volunteer

552
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,220
my time to head up to Sacramento as an representative of these

553
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:41,320
people and express our desire that they start having a real plan and with that real plan

554
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:48,300
is met that we stop at that point and then if we want to make some changes, normal changes

555
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:57,440
that have to do with time, then that's fine. But over 50 years worth of being in the development

556
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:03,360
industry. I've seen it on both sides of the table. And this is a standard play that happens.

557
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,200
You know, if you don't particularly care for the way things are going in an area, what they'll

558
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,840
do is they'll move the goalposts just like they've talked about. And every time we get close to

559
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,820
those goalposts, then the rules change. And that is only coming from the governor himself.

560
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:42,780
And, you know, his approval of his and his cronies, approval of good old senator Weeners, you know, projections and his bills have proven that they couldn't care less about Southern California and our lifestyles and our well-being.

561
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,860
So I would be happy to go out there and have a little discussion face to face with those folks.

562
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:58,960
because I think what we're doing is we're stuck in a bureaucracy, and somebody needs to just put their foot right in the middle of it, and that's what we do.

563
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,540
That's what we're here for.

564
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,240
So I would be glad to do that.

565
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,840
Thank you.

566
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,760
Councillor Allen?

567
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,800
You're pretty upset, aren't you?

568
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,760
I got you there.

569
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,300
I understand because it's annoying as hell.

570
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:21,580
Whenever they do that all every time we try to meet and become compliant.

571
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:31,180
and so my question is to my colleague, Council Member Henderson, or any of you actually, what

572
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:36,980
are we gaining by meeting, having improved HCD, or what are we giving up by not having?

573
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:42,740
There are some cities you mentioned Norwalk and some other cities who were saying, we've

574
00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:46,980
had enough, we'll fund ourselves, what are we losing, what would we lose measure, I think,

575
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:51,560
I mean look what we're into with Michael Baker already, almost 400,000 by the time this

576
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,720
is over, we may be in for half a mill. What are we, what are we going to gain? Are we going

577
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:02,140
to gain half a mill from the state? Because no, we're going to be right back in it doing

578
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:07,280
the next cycle. We're already behind. We're two years out of compliance. We're already

579
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:13,680
behind. So what if we just said, we're not doing it? Hold, we lose measure. I, funds,

580
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:20,260
would we lose? There would be, would we go to jail? Some funds that we would not qualify

581
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:26,220
That led her indicated the threshold requirements for certain state grants and other funding

582
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:28,780
sources to have improved housing element.

583
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:34,180
More importantly, from my perspective, from a development perspective and our vision 2030 perspective,

584
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:42,040
if the state determined that our housing element was out of compliance, it can then

585
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,880
follow suit and indicate that our general plan is out of compliance.

586
00:43:45,880 --> 00:44:06,280
And as a former planning commissioner and former chair of the planning commission, you folks have adopted consistency resolutions and motions over the years that the project that you're recommending approval or are approving is consistent with the general plan.

587
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:18,320
You can't make those consistency findings if our housing element is out of compliance with state law, which subsequently makes our general plan out of compliance.

588
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:32,750
The net effect of that is to prevent development from occurring in the city of Grant Harris because the planning commission can't make the consistency findings that it is in compliance with and consistent with the general plan.

589
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:40,410
So, the state holds that hammer, and it's a big one, over the heads of cities because

590
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:45,270
it's the only element of the general plan that receives state review and approval, and

591
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:49,630
that's important that the city council and the community take that with you.

592
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:54,430
There are six or seven or eight elements in the general plan, only one, the housing element

593
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,590
is approved by the state.

594
00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:59,130
So we risk, we risk the builders' remedy.

595
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,160
I mean, so we're trying to get some development done, thank you for that.

596
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:12,440
Yeah, so there are several consequences to not having a compliant housing element, and I understand

597
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,700
what you're saying that you've been non-compliant for a couple years, now you're asking what

598
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:21,980
else can come. So because we've been meeting pretty consistently our team and staff with HCD,

599
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:26,380
they've been able to be a little bit more lenient with penalties that they're putting upon

600
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:29,940
the city because they understand that there's a good faith effort going on towards reaching

601
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:36,100
a compliant housing element, but potential and allowed consequences to non-compliance include

602
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:41,780
disqualification from state funding, a carryover of the unit allocation to the next

603
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:48,280
cycle. You could be fined and there could be further penalties in litigation. The state

604
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,180
could take over local control and you could lose your local control. And then as you brought

605
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:58,900
up there is the the builders remedy which would essentially mean that the city would be in

606
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:05,260
able to deny projects even if they're inconsistent with the general plan or zoning if they are

607
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:06,540
in some portion affordable.

608
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:11,360
So a couple of those consequences the city has already been dealing with for a couple

609
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,600
years but there are a couple of consequences including fines and loss of local control

610
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,400
that the state has the ability to enact if they don't think that the city is making a good

611
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,720
faith effort towards compliance.

612
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,500
Okay, well thanks for helping me out with that.

613
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:30,300
One of the things also we had a resident, Ms. Bidney,

614
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:32,160
that stood up here and asked a question.

615
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,320
And I think what she was getting at, what's important for the bottom line for the residents

616
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,800
who have the properties that are being affected for rezoning.

617
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,700
Are they finding out that their properties are being rezoned

618
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:47,260
from one level to a different level?

619
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
And what the effect of that is going to be on their properties,

620
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:58,540
I think it's great that what she pointed out that, you know, the residents need to be more

621
00:46:58,540 --> 00:46:58,860
involved.

622
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:03,920
We need to be more involved in getting the work to the residents and more of those community

623
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,140
outreach efforts.

624
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,220
This is, I know, you mentioned being a planning, and I remember when I first found a planning

625
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:20,170
initial learning about the housing element and it was so confusing and frustrating and it's

626
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:27,490
changing and continuing to do that, you know, and so it's just, it makes you want to throw

627
00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:31,550
up your hands and almost give up on it, you know, like some cities seem to be doing, but

628
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:35,190
I understand the consequences and what she's saying and I don't want to, I'm not saying

629
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:36,170
we should do that.

630
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:41,450
I was only asking, you know, what is it, what are the actual consequences, you know,

631
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:46,370
because we're in, you know, this is causing this a lot.

632
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,180
I

633
00:47:56,150 --> 00:48:05,980
think that we've spent too much time not only sitting in this project, but as Mayor

634
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:09,920
Perthheim stated, we need to be up in Sacramento.

635
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:19,700
There's no reason that we don't have the lobbying in place that we don't have a voice

636
00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:22,940
and that we're not present to advocate.

637
00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:34,660
I mean, it's been very clear that state government can take, can move forward in doing whatever they want in our communities.

638
00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:52,020
And at the end of the day, yes, we do need to educate the public, but the public needs to understand that the governance, that we are under state ruling and how we govern, and we can lose funding and being able to do anything.

639
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:56,960
and what happens in your backyards, we will lose that control.

640
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,460
And so what is our progress?

641
00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:02,960
You stated that we have had progress.

642
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:04,300
Like, what is that percentage?

643
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:06,460
Is there a number on that?

644
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:15,480
So the initial contract that Michael Baker had with the city was to address revisions requested

645
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,640
by HCD in a letter that was in response to a draft made by a prior consultant.

646
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:42,520
So, HCD deemed that that draft was incomplete and not in compliance, so the draft that we submitted back to the city for review in December 2023 included as Scott said, a pretty full overhaul of the housing element, we added a fair housing chapter, which is a newer requirement to the housing element.

647
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:48,240
So, and we resimitted that draft to HDD in May of 2024.

648
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:54,880
The letter that HDD sent back in July of 2024 was included with the agenda.

649
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:03,560
Given all the HDD letters that our team has reviewed with the several housing elements that we've been working on,

650
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:09,560
this HDD letter is, we are under the impression that we're towards the end of the line,

651
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:18,260
especially because we've been given the opportunity to meet with our HD reviewer on a bi-weekly basis which is in an obligation of theirs.

652
00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:29,540
It's a kindness that they're offering us to work with us towards compliance and we've been given the impression that this is essentially the end of our revisions.

653
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:35,620
And we're hoping that our response to this letter will be the last round of revisions as HD continues to work with us on these preliminary comments.

654
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:41,420
Can we move them from an assumption to an answer of where we are?

655
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,180
Sorry, can you declare?

656
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,440
MCD does not give us a

657
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,080
They don't even give us a do this and then we'll do that

658
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,260
They give generality general as you read in the letter

659
00:50:55,420 --> 00:50:58,200
Attentations and then we shoot in the dark and we hope we hit it

660
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,560
So the statement that we don't know where the target is. So you're asking

661
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,440
Am I 80% of the target?

662
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,740
I don't know

663
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:10,420
Yeah, to clarify, we can't give a number of percent done because HDD is unable to give

664
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:14,760
that answer to us, but what we have been doing in these meetings with HDD is based on

665
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,840
this letter we've gone through and we're able to propose potential revisions in response

666
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,500
to each of their comments and then they're able to work with us on, yes, if you do this, this

667
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,940
revision that you propose, we'll consider that compliant and we'll consider that response

668
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:34,540
to this comment or if you do this, that will be somewhat compliant, but here's this

669
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:37,040
their piece of data or information that we want you to include.

670
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
So that's kind of what our conversations are, as we can't give you

671
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,920
an official, yes, we're this percent done, but we haven't

672
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,240
at least in understanding with HD of what approach to the revisions

673
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,940
is likely to reach compliance or conditional compliance.

674
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Can you tell us how many contracts you've brought to a completion?

675
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:59,920
Well, I would have to go through my notes on number of completion,

676
00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:03,540
but we've worked on over two dozen housing elements in the sixth cycle

677
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:12,440
And we're, any, I don't know, the number, that's the compliance, we're in the midst of several of these projects.

678
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:13,640
Okay, thank you.

679
00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:23,070
So I have a question for you, Councilman.

680
00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:24,830
Woman, some of you know.

681
00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:30,850
So you mentioned, you've got a discussion there a little bit about, you know, going Sacramento

682
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:38,950
and having our voices heard and it sounded like a great, like a great reason for a lobbying effort.

683
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:43,910
And I mean, we're members of Cal Cities, do you think the Cal Cities is representing us effectively

684
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:44,330
out there?

685
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:48,930
Because we spend a lot of money being a member of Cal Cities, and they're the ones that are supposed

686
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:51,130
to be speaking for us up there.

687
00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:52,870
And do you feel like they're being effective?

688
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:54,650
Because I'm wondering.

689
00:52:55,830 --> 00:52:58,550
Cal Cities, they do what they do.

690
00:52:58,930 --> 00:53:00,870
My statement isn't regarding Cal Cities.

691
00:53:00,950 --> 00:53:07,010
My statement is regarding grand terrace and ensuring that our contracts and the work that we are doing

692
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:08,790
is represented in Sacramento.

693
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:15,070
So my statement isn't in reference to a blanket of what is needed in the Inland Empire,

694
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:21,570
because we are very different from Grand Terrace to Colton to San Bernardino to the high desert.

695
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:25,570
So the Inland Empire is, the needs are very different.

696
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:35,550
My statement is directly regarding Grand Terrace being having their face and a voice in Sacramento.

697
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:42,010
Yeah, right me too and I mean we have we were members of Calcities there's supposed to represent

698
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:45,630
But we could go up on our own too. That's what you're also talking about. We've done that

699
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:55,030
I'm stating that our individual needs need to be addressed outside of the lobbying and the great efforts that Calcities are ready does

700
00:53:55,030 --> 00:54:01,930
Okay, my statement was never in reference to Calcities. My statement. Okay, I just wanted to make sure I was wondering about it

701
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:04,110
I wanted to just point out about that.

702
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:04,710
I apologize.

703
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:06,830
It's very appropriate.

704
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:07,910
That's a bit.

705
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:09,410
That's what Henderson.

706
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:10,670
Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

707
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:14,530
My colleagues will require a real recall

708
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:21,010
that a while back on their suggested items for the agenda I had.

709
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:24,590
Listed legislative advocacy as a request,

710
00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:28,390
regarding our forward-looking programs.

711
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:36,650
And I'm given to understand that a recommended program will be forthcoming to the council

712
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:41,510
regarding the city of Grant Harris, legislative advocacy program, and so I believe what

713
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:47,430
Ms. Sabino is referring to and Mr. Allen for that matter. We should have an opportunity

714
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:51,930
to sink our teeth into the proposed program and the not too distant future. Thank you, Mr.

715
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:52,190
Mayor.

716
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:56,350
Okay, let me close this up here.

717
00:54:57,270 --> 00:55:01,930
So on Cal City is also on Skag, a set of California Associated Government.

718
00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:08,550
If we didn't have a voice with them, we'll be walked over on everything.

719
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:14,030
That's the power of the city's combined to get together on that.

720
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:23,010
Now, with Skag, what Mayor Protem said, the lawyers went up to the governor and asked,

721
00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:27,090
what can we do for affordable housing and all that, and asked for money, and the governor

722
00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:28,010
said, no.

723
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:30,030
He didn't have any solution to anything.

724
00:55:30,450 --> 00:55:32,830
They put these things together without solutions.

725
00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:35,330
They want the developers to figure it out.

726
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:39,770
So the lawyers for Skag are fighting this as we speak.

727
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:44,270
So, that's a big voice that's why I went to last in Los Angeles for that meeting.

728
00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:50,770
So, there's stuff in the works, but I'll tell you how you fight this.

729
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:59,580
Vote for the right person. Vote for the people who are going to be working for the people.

730
00:56:00,740 --> 00:56:04,400
And maybe don't keep voting the same ones that have been in there for decades.

731
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:07,480
So, that's up to you guys.

732
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:14,180
All right, so we have a motion by Councilmember Henderson for item two and four to have a second.

733
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:14,900
Second.

734
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,060
I have a motion in the second, please vote.

735
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Motion passes unanimously.

736
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,300
Thank you.

737
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,620
All right, public hearing update to facility use fees presented by this

738
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:30,280
Tillman City Management.

739
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:31,000
Analyst.

740
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:48,650
Good evening, City Councilmember.

741
00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:50,890
She need a Tillman Senior Management Analyst.

742
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:54,650
I will be presenting an update on our facility use fees,

743
00:56:54,650 --> 00:57:03,010
which support both goals, goal number one, ensure our fiscal viability and goal number four development of successful partnerships.

744
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:16,450
To provide some context, City Council established, City Council established part policies and fee structures in 1994 and 2002,

745
00:57:16,990 --> 00:57:23,650
and in 2012 we developed a comprehensive facility use policy to enhance the management of our city facilities.

746
00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:30,750
More recently, in 2017, we entered into a licensing agreement with Colton Unified School District

747
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:35,430
for shared use of Terres Hills Middle School's pool and soccer fields.

748
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:41,370
It's important to note that only our three local teams, the Grand Terres Community soccer

749
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:47,050
club, Grand Terres Titans, and Grand Terres Little League have ever been granted access to

750
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:48,550
the field's own by the school district.

751
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:56,040
The revised facility use agreement aims to clarify responsibilities of applicants using

752
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,760
city facilities. Our goal is to ensure that we maintain our facilities properly while also providing

753
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,160
accessible options for our community members. The new fee structure is designed to balance

754
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,320
affordability for nonprofits with cost recovery for the city.

755
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:16,030
Under the new fee structure,

756
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:21,910
Non-profits and community-based groups will pay a one-time registration fee of $10, allowing

757
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:27,630
them to schedule events at the Senior Center and Community Room, booking times will be available

758
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:34,610
Monday through Thursday from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. and on Fridays from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. excluding

759
00:58:34,610 --> 00:58:42,350
5 p.m. to 10 p.m. on Fridays, as well as all day Saturday and Sunday. If organizations wish to

760
00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:51,250
events outside of these times, they will incur a fee based on resident rates to ensure fair access to our community members.

761
00:58:53,470 --> 00:59:01,020
In addition to the fee registration fee, we're introducing a cleaning fee of $32 per hour

762
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:07,390
for events held in our indoor facilities, including park shelters with a maximum charge of two hours.

763
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:14,510
staff call-out fee of $50 per hour with a minimum of two hours is intended for situations

764
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:19,870
where the individual who reserve the facility needs assistance or in-case of emergency,

765
00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:23,050
covering the cost of our on-call maintenance personnel.

766
00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:32,170
The revised agreement includes a price-seemed structure specifically for teams wishing to reserve

767
00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:32,850
our parks.

768
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:39,070
They can schedule up to 32 hours of field use within the same fiscal year for flat fee of $800,

769
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:45,710
which includes our three excludes, our three local teams as they have their own fee structure.

770
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:49,730
Detailed on the facility rental fee sheet.

771
00:59:50,350 --> 00:59:54,470
However, if these local teams schedule practices outside of their season,

772
00:59:54,570 --> 00:59:58,710
they'll be charged $50 per hour instead of their per player fee.

773
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:59,970
Additionally, the city may be...

774
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,640
And as your retain the authority to grant exceptions based on unique circumstances or community needs.

775
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:16,160
Adoption of the revised facility use agreement structure is to establish our recommendation, excuse me, is the adoption of the revised facility use agreement,

776
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:27,040
fee structure to establish clear guidelines for facility users and share the city recovers its costs and maintains accessibility for local nonprofits, community groups and sports related organizations.

777
01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:31,070
And I'm open to any questions.

778
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,540
Okay, Councillor Allen, go ahead.

779
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:38,800
Thanks, Mayor.

780
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:40,220
Thanks, Mr. Tillman.

781
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:43,360
I'd like to ask you to go back to the booking

782
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,540
Times, please.

783
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,400
At the beginning.

784
01:00:48,220 --> 01:00:49,700
And the second bullet comment,

785
01:00:50,620 --> 01:00:54,220
it's not quite clear to me about the hours of operation

786
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:56,980
when it's going to be open and who it's open to.

787
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Will the facility be available Friday evening until 10 p.m.

788
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,580
That's correct.

789
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:08,380
So what we're saying is it's not available.

790
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:10,340
It's only available to residents.

791
01:01:10,580 --> 01:01:14,160
Is that what you're saying it from Friday evening and Saturday and Sunday?

792
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,300
That's correct.

793
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,280
We're leaving those evening times on the weekends.

794
01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:21,540
So Friday evening and then Saturday and Sunday

795
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,560
to give that opportunity to our residents

796
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:25,900
to be able to rent the facilities.

797
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,200
But like a private event, maybe or something like that.

798
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:28,840
That's correct.

799
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,540
But these organizations can book those times as well,

800
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:35,540
but it will be at the residence rate.

801
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,960
Okay, so it would be available to the sports team

802
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,420
or whatever on those times.

803
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:43,200
Okay, I got you.

804
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,580
I just want to make sure I answer that.

805
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,300
Because thanks.

806
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,120
Any other questions?

807
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,220
I do want to clarify the one bullet point.

808
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:54,700
This is a one time fee.

809
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,320
That would be an annual one time, one time annual fee.

810
01:01:58,380 --> 01:01:59,180
That's correct.

811
01:01:59,180 --> 01:02:01,400
not a one-time in the history of the University.

812
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,660
They're not like to forever stamps.

813
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,220
It's not a forever stamp, though.

814
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,240
Do any public comment?

815
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:11,640
No, sir.

816
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:13,960
Okay, no public comment.

817
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,740
And of course, no deliberation.

818
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:17,580
Anybody have anything you want to say?

819
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:22,060
Do you have a motion for this?

820
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:22,920
So moved.

821
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:24,240
I'm a second.

822
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:25,620
Second.

823
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,440
We have a motion a second, please vote.

824
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:33,190
Motion passes unanimously.

825
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:35,810
Thank you, Miss Philan.

826
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:37,970
Item nine introduction.

827
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:39,070
First, read an ordinance.

828
01:02:39,550 --> 01:02:39,810
Number 360.

829
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:41,130
Your bill.

830
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:42,990
There is charters.

831
01:02:43,150 --> 01:02:44,670
Chapters of the city of Grantters.

832
01:02:44,830 --> 01:02:45,530
The principal called.

833
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:46,090
I'm sorry.

834
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:54,020
Now, let's see if I hear the city attorney 50 dollars an hour, too.

835
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:55,600
Is that

836
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:58,570
one time fee, right?

837
01:02:58,590 --> 01:02:59,050
One fine.

838
01:03:01,050 --> 01:03:01,270
All right.

839
01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:01,910
Good evening, Mayor.

840
01:03:02,010 --> 01:03:02,590
City Council.

841
01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:04,370
I'll be presenting on this first item.

842
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:10,750
This item seeks to amend the municipal code by repealing various chapters that are effectively

843
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:12,290
out of date.

844
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:18,570
This supports council goal number five to engage in proactive communication by providing current

845
01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:20,970
information regarding the city's policies.

846
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:26,050
So staff has gone through the municipal code.

847
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:30,690
It's first round and there will be future rounds, which city manager will speak to in a bit.

848
01:03:30,690 --> 01:03:41,170
But we identified several chapters and sections that are out of date, no longer consistent with the city.

849
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:51,990
Structure of the city lifestyle at this point, many of these code sections were brought in when we incorporated many years ago,

850
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:55,790
and so they were brought in from the county. So they were applicable back then,

851
01:03:55,790 --> 01:03:58,410
but they may no longer be applicable today.

852
01:03:58,710 --> 01:04:00,790
So that's just an overview right there on the screen.

853
01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:06,110
So we have also identified in addition to chapters

854
01:04:06,110 --> 01:04:08,190
in the longer being relevant.

855
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:12,130
Some have been superseded by federal or state law.

856
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:16,580
So I'll give you an overview of some of the chapters.

857
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,560
Chapter 2.4, training of law enforcement officers.

858
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:22,860
You know, provides regulations for training.

859
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,720
Well, we contract with the sheriffs for their sure personnel.

860
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:39,460
It is a responsibility of the sheriffs to do the training of their employees not the city that is the function of an independent contractor system that we have with this county sheriffs

861
01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:47,980
So they would handle the training that chapter again would no longer be applicable. If we were to have our own police department on the road and that would maybe be something we can consider

862
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:50,800
But whether we put in the code that would be a whole different monster

863
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,840
So this would be one revision that we're making to remove this chapter

864
01:04:56,100 --> 01:05:17,520
Some other chapters, chapter 2.2.0, the community redevelopment agency, as you know, the city did have a redevelopment agency at one point, but the state repealed that law and made all the community redevelopment agencies go away across the state and we dissolved ours a few years back.

865
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:25,480
So this statute and this chapter no longer applies chapter 2.28 an emergency organization formed a disaster

866
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:31,820
Council in case of emergencies we do have authority elsewhere that would address that matter

867
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,560
and specifically the federal emergency management agency requires the city to follow the incident command center.

868
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:50,410
Some other chapters regarding various animals, apiaries, hogs, commercial canals, livestock,

869
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:56,730
riding academies, these were more consistent with the pure rural community, we are now

870
01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:57,990
more of an urbanized environment.

871
01:05:58,990 --> 01:06:02,050
So many of these chapters are no longer applicable.

872
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:08,590
I will note that some of these are also addressed in the zoning code as well and so staff will

873
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:14,610
going through the zoning code to also make that consistent. Several of these items would be

874
01:06:14,610 --> 01:06:19,550
subject to a conditional use permit where we could impose specific conditions on the use

875
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:24,930
depending on the size of the property in the nature of the property location. We could

876
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:30,650
be able to regulate the impacts that way versus straight provisions in our code that mandate items

877
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:33,010
that we at this point don't need.

878
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:39,590
Some other chapters, 8.16 regarding aircraft takeoff

879
01:06:39,590 --> 01:06:47,590
landings. We do not have an airport. So no longer needed regulation of ambulances. Again,

880
01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:55,430
that would be a matter that we do not regulate as a different agency abandoned orchards.

881
01:06:55,750 --> 01:07:00,810
Again, managing consequences of abandoned neglected orchards. Again, I'm not aware of any

882
01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:07,770
orchards and staff, isn't aware of any either. So each of these would be relevant to take

883
01:07:07,770 --> 01:07:09,870
out of the code.

884
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:17,670
Chapter 926 sent that a drug sale and use prohibited, again, now understand a federal law.

885
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:22,730
Those that matters are regulated through state of federal law versus the city having different

886
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:25,710
cities regulate it on the case by case based city by city basis.

887
01:07:26,350 --> 01:07:27,550
That is no longer the case.

888
01:07:28,070 --> 01:07:31,250
The state and federal governments will regulate those issues.

889
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:36,840
So that provides a summary of what the ordinance would do.

890
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:44,780
I'll turn it over to the city manager to provide some additional information on where staff will be going next.

891
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,440
Thank you, Mr. City Attorney.

892
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:55,780
So just especially in the animal component, because these are ordinances that were enacted for commercial agricultural purposes,

893
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,540
which, you know, we were a rural community and that was, those are important things to address.

894
01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:03,700
But we're still not a truly urban community.

895
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:13,760
So there are, and as Adrian brought up, there are still some activities that would make sense with the CUP.

896
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:18,260
Maybe there is somebody that's a private dog breeder, maybe not writing a huge kennel operation.

897
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:25,220
I've had some questions about hobbyists that want to keep a, you know, we don't allow a chicken.

898
01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:27,540
I want to keep a chicken. I want to keep a money rabbit.

899
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:34,240
And if you have three acres and you want to have a horse, it probably doesn't impinge on your neighbors.

900
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:40,280
So as we go forward, we'll bring back both the animal control coordinates in this.

901
01:08:40,660 --> 01:08:46,220
I'm looking at some zoning pieces so that we can address these hobbyist activities.

902
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:52,180
I mean, my master, my master is bigger than your goat. I can have my master if you can't have a goat.

903
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:57,660
So, those type of things will have to find some balances at other communities typically do,

904
01:08:57,660 --> 01:09:01,560
you know, for so many square feet, you can have this kind of animal or for a lot

905
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,660
size, you can have or distances from other residents, so we'll define that as we go forward.

906
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:12,460
But we really wanted to take out kind of these really redundant, you know, commercial agricultural

907
01:09:12,460 --> 01:09:22,160
things and we want to put back things that still keep this as a, you know, kind of the

908
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:29,440
But we're not a big city and we're still a small community and we want to retain that flavor, especially in some of our large lot areas. So thank you.

909
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:47,440
So with that, I will note that for the record that the this ordinance is exempt from sequence is just purely administrative updates to our code and the recommendation would be to introduce the ordinance by

910
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,980
from the city attorney to read the title of the ordinance,

911
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,880
we're reading of, and introduce the ordinance.

912
01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:54,180
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

913
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:55,060
Thank you.

914
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,340
Do we have a public comment on this?

915
01:09:58,380 --> 01:09:59,720
No, sir.

916
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:01,860
No, Council, have any questions?

917
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:07,640
What's that?

918
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:08,680
I think Mayor Proton.

919
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,000
Just a quick question.

920
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,040
Isn't this just a hangover from the county?

921
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:13,000
Yeah.

922
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:13,780
Yes, I agree.

923
01:10:13,780 --> 01:10:18,440
In other words, they basically took the county code and blueprinted it

924
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:20,000
and said, OK, this is now going to be

925
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,600
city of Granterra, some will identity as necessary, and then it just never happened.

926
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:26,100
Correct.

927
01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:31,260
You basically county kept making amendments to whatever they were doing, but we just got

928
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:37,580
a dropped on our table, and I still got a copy of this thing, and yes, that's never

929
01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:39,220
revised or updated.

930
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:44,900
So I appreciate all your work in relation to this, and I think it's a high time that we

931
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:45,860
clean up our mess.

932
01:10:46,260 --> 01:10:46,960
So thank you.

933
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,380
And as a quick follow-up, you're absolutely correct, I mean,

934
01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:58,080
And my other two cities that I work with, they have the exact same situation and we're in the process of updating those codes as well, so that is consistent.

935
01:11:00,380 --> 01:11:02,360
Any other questions or comments? Council.

936
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,000
No, could we have a motion?

937
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:12,810
I'll make a motion on the second.

938
01:11:12,930 --> 01:11:14,970
First, second city attorney, Warner.

939
01:11:15,870 --> 01:11:16,790
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

940
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:23,230
The title of the ordinance is follows an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Grand Tares, California.

941
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:31,110
Repealing Chapter 2.20 Community Redevelopment Agency Chapter 2.28 Emergency Organization.

942
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:38,710
Chapter 2.40 Training of Law Enforcement Officers of Title 2 Administration and Personnel.

943
01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:40,790
Chapter 6.16 Hogs.

944
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:43,790
Chapter 6.24 livestock.

945
01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:51,750
Chapter 6.12 APARIES, Chapter 6.2, Commercial canals, and Chapter 6.28,

946
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:59,570
Riding Academies of Title VI, Animals, Chapter 8.16, Aircraft takeoff in landings,

947
01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:07,910
Chapter 8.24, ambulances, and Chapter 8.72, abandoned orchards of Title 8, Health and Safety,

948
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:11,930
and chapter 9.26, synthetic drugs,

949
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:15,010
sale and use prohibited of Title IX,

950
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:16,810
public peace, morals and welfare,

951
01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:18,990
of the Grand Terrorist Municipal Code,

952
01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:20,990
to streamline the municipal code

953
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:23,190
and remove provisions no longer necessary.

954
01:12:23,650 --> 01:12:24,290
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

955
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:27,430
Thank you, have a first and a second, please vote.

956
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,100
Motion passes unanimously.

957
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,140
Thank you.

958
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:37,600
Item 9 introduction of first reading ordinance number 360,

959
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,300
repeal various chapters of the city grand terrace municipal code.

960
01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:44,520
That's the one we just did.

961
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,500
So we're going to the next one.

962
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,240
I'm sorry.

963
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:48,020
No worries.

964
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:49,880
I thought I looked familiar.

965
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:52,480
I could do it again.

966
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:53,520
Yeah, I'm going to do it again.

967
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:54,660
Is it a free one?

968
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:55,880
Yes.

969
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,020
All right.

970
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:58,600
Item 10.

971
01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:00,540
Introduction of First Reordance.

972
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,720
Number 361 adds section 9.05.040.

973
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:15,480
Seasors of Evidence of Session, excuse me, 9.05.050, and Palment to the Grantears Municipal Code.

974
01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:16,700
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

975
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:24,580
And for this item, I'm going to invite my colleague, Keo, to present as she has worked on the staff report and preparing the ordinance.

976
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,980
So I thought I'd bring her to introduce you to her and have a present.

977
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,800
Good evening, Mayor and Council members.

978
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:43,680
My name, as Adrian mentioned, is GAO and I am an associate attorney at the State Attorney's Office,

979
01:13:43,940 --> 01:13:44,600
Alisharan Winder.

980
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:50,740
The first item that I will be presenting tonight is an ordinance adding two sections,

981
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:57,240
a seizure of evidence and impelment to the existing regulations for sidewalk vendors in chapter 9.05.

982
01:14:00,310 --> 01:14:06,470
So, this item supports City Council goal number two, maintain public safety as it provides guidance

983
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:15,770
on enforcement of unlicensed and permitted sidewalk vendors, which endangers the health, safety, and welfare of the residents and visitors of the city.

984
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:28,460
The existing sidewalk vendor ordinance was adopted as an urgency ordinance on December 11, 2018, in response to Senate bill number 946,

985
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:34,440
which preempted local governments from prohibiting sidewalk vendors and limiting the scope of local regulation.

986
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:38,920
The ordinance was also introduced as a regular ordinance in the same meeting.

987
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:44,440
Then on January 1st, 2019, SB 946 went into effect.

988
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,780
And on January 8th, 2019, the regular ordinance was adopted.

989
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,680
The current regulations for sidewalk vendors provides operational requirements,

990
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,940
such as permitting and license.

991
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,300
Rear requirements, time limitations, prohibiting unattended stands and storage stands overnight on public property, such as street sidewalks or parks, and requirements for disposal of trash, prohibiting any additional equipment, such as a table, which has not been described in the application.

992
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:30,300
Distance requirements, such as 50 feet from a fire hydrant or 25 feet from a transit stop and location restrictions, such as prohibiting operations on streets without sidewalks.

993
01:15:31,540 --> 01:15:37,160
Any violation of these regulations are punishable by an increasing amount of administrative fines.

994
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:46,320
So violations of regulations other than failure to possess a valid permit would incur fines starting with a hundred dollars

995
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:52,200
for the first violation, $200 for the second, $500 for the third, and then,

996
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,040
a decision of sidewalk spending permit for the term of that permit at the fourth

997
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:56,660
violation.

998
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,940
Violations for regulations for vending without a license or permit would encourage

999
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:07,880
fine-starting that are a little bit higher at $250 for the first violation, $500

1000
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:13,520
for the second, and then an amount not exceeding at $1,000 for each additional violation

1001
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,320
within one year of the first violation.

1002
01:16:18,170 --> 01:16:23,850
Since the passage of the City sidewalk bending regulations, there have been concerns related

1003
01:16:23,850 --> 01:16:30,450
to unlicensed and unpermitted sidewalk vendors operating on the public right of way in violation

1004
01:16:30,450 --> 01:16:36,290
of the City's municipal code. These violations raise health, safety, and welfare concerns

1005
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:42,990
and also create unfair competition for lawful operations. As such, staff and the City Attorney's

1006
01:16:42,990 --> 01:16:47,710
Office believe updated enforcement regulations are necessary in order for the City to

1007
01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:50,610
compliance with its side-walk vendor regulations.

1008
01:16:53,730 --> 01:16:58,490
So the proposed ordinance addresses these concerns by authorizing two methods of enforcement.

1009
01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:06,690
The first method would be the addition of Section 9.05.040, which allows the seizure of evidence.

1010
01:17:07,450 --> 01:17:16,830
Essentially, the section would authorize the seizure of side-walk vendors' items that serve as evidence of a crime or is booked as property after an arrest of a side-walk vendor.

1011
01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:21,110
for violation of any local state or federal laws,

1012
01:17:21,390 --> 01:17:23,610
excluding the sidewalk bending chapter itself.

1013
01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:26,470
This exclusion is aligned with state law,

1014
01:17:26,690 --> 01:17:28,130
which prohibits criminal penalties

1015
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:30,830
for violations of sidewalk bending regulations.

1016
01:17:32,150 --> 01:17:34,890
The CS items would then be stored in process

1017
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:37,290
in accordance with the San Bernardino Sheriff's

1018
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:38,030
Department's procedures.

1019
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:43,000
The second method of enforcement

1020
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,980
would be, impelment of sidewalk benders items,

1021
01:17:45,980 --> 01:17:53,300
pursuant to California Civil Code, Section 2080.10, and the California Health and Safety Code

1022
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:56,160
Section 114393.

1023
01:17:57,420 --> 01:18:02,700
Empowerment under the section would be allowed when food is sold without a valid San Bernardino

1024
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:08,620
County Health Department permit, items are unattended or abandoned, there is no valid

1025
01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:14,340
applicable permit and business license when the sidewalk vendor violates a sidewalk

1026
01:18:14,340 --> 01:18:20,000
offending regulation and then fails to provide ID when the sidewalk vendor fails to remove items

1027
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,360
after being instructed to do so by the city.

1028
01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:28,020
When there is an obstruction of free movement of pedestrians and violations of the Americans

1029
01:18:28,020 --> 01:18:33,480
with disabilities act, when there is a sale of illegal merchandise, when there is an imminent

1030
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:39,360
and substantial danger or environmental hazard, and then when there is an issuance of three

1031
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,720
or more administrative citations for violations.

1032
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:50,640
If and when a sidewalk vendors items are impounded, the city will be authorized to dispose of

1033
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,500
perishable items or items that cannot be safely stored.

1034
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:59,120
The city will be required to store all other items for 30 days if the payment was pursuant

1035
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:07,300
to section 114393 of the California Health and Safety Code or 60 days if the payment was pursuant

1036
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:11,540
to section 2080.10 of the California Civil Code.

1037
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:19,440
The city will be required to provide the person from whom the items are taken, with a receipt and instructions for retrieval of the items.

1038
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:27,960
The receipt instructions will be given at the time the city official obtained the items or mailed the next business day by first class mail.

1039
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:38,360
As the city cannot otherwise ascertain the owner, the city manager does a knee shall make reasonable efforts to identify the owner and then shall mail by first class mail.

1040
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,780
I receive an instructions for retrieval of the items.

1041
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,920
There are see and instructions will notify the owner

1042
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,460
that the items must be claimed within the applicable 30

1043
01:19:47,460 --> 01:19:48,560
or 60 days.

1044
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,760
In response, the owner may either retrieve the items,

1045
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:55,180
authorize and writing another person to retrieve the items,

1046
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:58,360
or notify the city and writing that they are unable

1047
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,840
to retrieve the items because they are in custody

1048
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,180
and request that the city holds the items.

1049
01:20:04,820 --> 01:20:06,680
In that case, the city may hold the items

1050
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,960
for 10 additional months.

1051
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:14,500
To retrieve items, the owner will be required to pay an impound fee, which the council may

1052
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:15,380
adopt by resolution.

1053
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:21,600
This fee is to reflect the city's personnel, enforcement, investigation, storage, disposal,

1054
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:23,300
and impound costs.

1055
01:20:24,580 --> 01:20:28,280
The owner may also appeal the impoundment by requesting an administrative hearing.

1056
01:20:29,180 --> 01:20:34,580
The owner will have the right to appeal within 15 calendar days after notice of the action

1057
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:39,720
or 15 calendar days after the empowerment decision has been mailed to their address.

1058
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:44,940
The owner must file the written appeal with an appeal fee, as said by resolution of the

1059
01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:49,780
Council, and then the appeal shall be scheduled before hearing officer designated by the

1060
01:20:49,780 --> 01:20:52,740
city manager within 60 days of filing and payment.

1061
01:20:53,740 --> 01:20:58,720
The hearing officer will then review the record and hear the testimony of the appellant.

1062
01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:03,880
After hearing the hearing officer will issue a written decision and their decision shall

1063
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:10,420
final. If them, Parliament decision is reversed, them pounded items shall be returned, and the

1064
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:15,860
PL-Fee will be paid back to the Parliament with them 15 business days. If the Parliament decision

1065
01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:20,600
is upheld, a Parliament may retrieve their impounded items in accordance with the typical procedures

1066
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:24,580
to retrieve these items as previously discussed.

1067
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:32,280
Staff is recommending that council direct the

1068
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:37,640
city attorney to read by title only and introduce this proposed ordinance which provides additional

1069
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:42,540
enforcement mechanisms for violation of sidewalk vendor regulations to protect public health

1070
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:43,580
safety and welfare.

1071
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:45,240
Thank you.

1072
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:45,920
Thank you.

1073
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:47,340
Councilman Henderson, you have a question.

1074
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:49,080
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1075
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:57,280
I'm not sure I believe it may be under an empowerment, but another action that the city can take.

1076
01:21:57,620 --> 01:22:03,440
You mentioned that if there were three administrative citations of certain action, the enforcement

1077
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,120
action would follow.

1078
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:05,760
Yes.

1079
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:14,580
Is that three citations in the same area or just three separate and could be distinct citations?

1080
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:22,420
I believe there are three separate distinct citations, not tied to the actual location of the citation.

1081
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:23,820
Okay. Thank you.

1082
01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:34,640
It's one of the questions, I'd like a clarification on this storage setup.

1083
01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:42,840
If I can upend with a tractor, I'll let you homeless people, and then turn around and

1084
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:50,380
disheart the majority of their materials, why am I storing somebody's break in the law?

1085
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,260
I don't get it.

1086
01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:59,160
I can see a reasonable amount of time applied to that, the idea that they can recover some

1087
01:22:59,160 --> 01:22:59,820
of their articles.

1088
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,500
I mean, obviously they're making their living at that.

1089
01:23:02,620 --> 01:23:09,820
That makes sense, but when they're, you know, repeat offenders, and they go in and do the same

1090
01:23:09,820 --> 01:23:17,420
thing time after times just sounds like a circle, and then to be able to recover their articles

1091
01:23:17,420 --> 01:23:25,060
In that, he says, some kind of a civil liberties union thing that's attached to this, because

1092
01:23:25,060 --> 01:23:31,700
I know there's some activity that way, so far as the homeless dispersion, but I don't understand

1093
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:35,020
why we should go through the pains and torture of lawbreakers.

1094
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:36,860
I don't get it.

1095
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:45,200
Well, at this time, this ordinance is based on, at least, the impoundment section is based

1096
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:52,080
on the California Health and Safety Code, Section 114-393 and the California Civil Code, Section

1097
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:59,340
208-0.10, and I believe that 30 days and the 60 days will flip to actually the 60 days

1098
01:23:59,340 --> 01:24:02,680
and the 30 days respectively come from those state.

1099
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,600
So once again, the state of California steps in and puts a boot in our face and makes us

1100
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,320
do something but doesn't pay for it.

1101
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:13,100
There we go.

1102
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,780
And Mr. Mayor, if I may, I would add two points.

1103
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:24,160
Number one is that for the homeless personal property,

1104
01:24:24,420 --> 01:24:26,600
I'm a public right away, that's left there.

1105
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:31,800
Our recommendation to our clients has always been that if we are

1106
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,400
going to remove them, we still provide notice and do process

1107
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,180
of where their belongings will be stored,

1108
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,920
and we store them for a period of time,

1109
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,760
so that they have the ability to come and recover them.

1110
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:51,000
That has been a due process requirement, you know, and broader is just a pure issue of due process.

1111
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:56,260
You know, these individuals like them are not, you know, positive or negative.

1112
01:24:56,820 --> 01:25:02,060
The fact of the matter is that if they have a cart or they have money invested in it,

1113
01:25:02,380 --> 01:25:07,180
at a due process, we have an obligation to at least impound it, find it,

1114
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:11,460
but give them the opportunity to come back, get it, we have to reasonably store it.

1115
01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:13,360
So it's more of a due process issue.

1116
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,000
Can we limit it to 10 days, rather than 30?

1117
01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:22,560
My thought would be, I'd stay consistent with the state law

1118
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,260
on that one, and I'm not going to do it.

1119
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:28,100
So, and also with the 10-day, the shorter period,

1120
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,740
we also have to provide them ample notice

1121
01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:32,880
so that they have the ability to appeal

1122
01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:37,140
and the 10-day notice may be too short.

1123
01:25:37,620 --> 01:25:39,480
But I would recommend sticking with the state law on that one.

1124
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:40,380
Thank you.

1125
01:25:44,190 --> 01:25:48,670
Just a question regarding empowerment and storage of

1126
01:25:49,090 --> 01:25:53,750
The statement in the presentation is that that will be taken care of by our sheriff's department.

1127
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:55,050
Is that correct?

1128
01:25:55,470 --> 01:25:56,970
That's for the seizure of evidence.

1129
01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,710
The empowerment would be city and city officials.

1130
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:02,590
Thank you.

1131
01:26:02,630 --> 01:26:04,610
If it's a car, we probably call a tow company.

1132
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:05,510
Okay.

1133
01:26:06,190 --> 01:26:09,250
And they can pay the impound in the tow fees just like regular car.

1134
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:11,350
Thank you.

1135
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:13,390
Councillor Allen, you had a question?

1136
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:16,980
I have a question,

1137
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:23,940
this city manager, how many people do we have right now that's legally

1138
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:25,580
can be a street vendor?

1139
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:27,240
What?

1140
01:26:31,130 --> 01:26:35,550
Do we have a city hall, I know we have to get the county health, and all that, do we have

1141
01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:40,210
a process that they can, the city hall, a checklist, and how to direct them to do the proper

1142
01:26:40,210 --> 01:26:40,570
procedure?

1143
01:26:41,950 --> 01:26:42,550
Yes, we do.

1144
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:47,090
and we have a, where actually we're finished up developing a checklist when we run across

1145
01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:52,270
them down the street in English and Spanish that says here is how you, not just get out

1146
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:58,170
of here, we've been done in the past, but also here is how you get yourself right and

1147
01:26:58,170 --> 01:26:59,090
that follow those procedures.

1148
01:26:59,090 --> 01:27:04,210
So it's proper procedures within the laws available for them, it's up to them to do it.

1149
01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:07,650
Then are you other questions?

1150
01:27:09,010 --> 01:27:09,270
Okay.

1151
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:14,390
Now we have an open to the public to allow public testimony in favor, do we have any public comment?

1152
01:27:14,770 --> 01:27:15,350
No sir.

1153
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:18,990
This young man right here, he doesn't really, you had a question.

1154
01:27:19,190 --> 01:27:21,590
I'm going to let you ask a question, but you'll fill out the form later.

1155
01:27:22,090 --> 01:27:23,710
Because you're new here, I'm giving you a break.

1156
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:26,110
You're good?

1157
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:33,850
All right, so we'll go ahead and close public comment and council deliberate.

1158
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:38,690
Do you have a motion for this or do you guys want to?

1159
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:42,830
I'll make a motion to pass to staff recommendation.

1160
01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:44,830
Okay, do I have a second?

1161
01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:48,350
Okay.

1162
01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:49,570
The motion's same for a read.

1163
01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:52,470
Do you want to see it?

1164
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:53,690
I will do the reading.

1165
01:27:54,630 --> 01:27:56,510
The title of the ordinance is as follows.

1166
01:27:57,130 --> 01:28:00,590
An ordinance of the city council of the city of Grant Harris, California.

1167
01:28:01,030 --> 01:28:04,210
Adding section 9.05.040.

1168
01:28:04,210 --> 01:28:11,990
Seasure of Evidence and Section 9.050.050.050 impoundment to the Grand Terrorist Municipal

1169
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:16,970
Code to provide additional enforcement mechanisms for violation of sidewalk vendor regulations

1170
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:20,150
in order to protect public health, safety, and welfare.

1171
01:28:21,790 --> 01:28:22,190
Thank you.

1172
01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:24,150
Have a motion and a second, please vote.

1173
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:28,120
Motion passes unanimously.

1174
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:39,020
Okay, item 11, introduction first, we in ordinance number 363 to add chapter 9.36, so the title 9 of the Grand Tourism Municipal Code.

1175
01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:50,340
The second item I will be presenting on tonight is an ordinance to prohibit any un-sanctioned government sponsored relocation of un-house persons into the city.

1176
01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:57,280
This item supports City Council goal number one, ensure our fiscal viability as an

1177
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,400
implements policies to retain city resources for homelessness related issues, and it

1178
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:07,160
also supports school number five, engage in proactive communication as an implements

1179
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:12,680
policies and provisions against government-sponsored relocation of unhoused persons into

1180
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,600
the city jurisdiction.

1181
01:29:16,630 --> 01:29:23,450
So this ordinance originates from an incident that occurred in the

1182
01:29:23,450 --> 01:29:26,790
Hanford transferred a disabled unhoused individual

1183
01:29:27,450 --> 01:29:30,350
with a truck full of their possessions from the city of Hanford

1184
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:32,870
to a homeless shelter parking lot in Santa Cruz.

1185
01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:35,690
These officers had not received authorization

1186
01:29:35,690 --> 01:29:38,430
for this drop-off from either the shelter operator

1187
01:29:38,430 --> 01:29:40,090
or Santa Cruz staff.

1188
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:43,930
And while this person, a person do,

1189
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:46,330
was ultimately accepted into the shelter,

1190
01:29:46,930 --> 01:29:49,530
it was discovered that they had no connection

1191
01:29:49,530 --> 01:29:50,890
to the city of Santa Cruz.

1192
01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:56,250
And this person, though, had never been to Santa Cruz, had no friends or family in the area,

1193
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:59,190
and never requested to be transported to the shelter.

1194
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,880
And Santa Cruz. In response to this incident, the city of Santa Cruz introduced an ordinance to prohibit any unsenctioned

1195
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:20,120
government-sponsored transportation of un-house persons into the jurisdiction. There was also a concern that surrounding cities and other jurisdictions may engage in this type of

1196
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:24,600
stepped again in light of the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in City of Grand

1197
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:29,100
Tass, V. Johnson, which overruled the Ninth Circuit's precedence and found that

1198
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:33,340
laws regulating camping did not violate the cruel and unusual punishments clause

1199
01:30:33,340 --> 01:30:38,760
of the 8th Amendment. Following this decision, Governor Gavin Newsom also issued an executive

1200
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,580
order that provided guidance on the removal of homeless encampments on state properties

1201
01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:49,680
and encouraged cities and counties to do the same. So while the city has had no history of

1202
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,060
incidents similar to the city of Santa Cruz, and light of this recent shift in regulating

1203
01:30:54,060 --> 01:30:59,800
campsites or in-campments, city staff and the city attorneys office believe the city may

1204
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:05,880
also benefit from a similar ordinance, and I will also discuss some more positive impacts

1205
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,280
associated with this ordinance in the next few slides.

1206
01:31:10,530 --> 01:31:15,510
So the proposed ordinance itself prohibits law enforcement officers, agents, or employees

1207
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:20,290
of a county city, or other governmental entity, from transporting and dropping off an

1208
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:31,410
individual on public property or private property that is accessible to the public within the city of grand terrace of the individual lacks a fixed regular and adequate night time residents.

1209
01:31:31,870 --> 01:31:44,750
A person will be found to lack a fixed regular and adequate night time residents if that person has a primary night time residents that is on public property or private property not meant for habitation.

1210
01:31:45,610 --> 01:31:54,910
Or lives in a publicly or privately operated shelter designed to provide temporary living arrangements such as congregate shelters or transitional housing.

1211
01:31:55,690 --> 01:32:06,450
Or is exiting an institution where they have resided for 90 days or less and resided in an emergency shelter or placed not meant for habitation immediately before entering that institution.

1212
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:15,510
Acceptions will be provided for transporting a person to be treated at a hospital or other medical facility.

1213
01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:22,830
Transporting a person to reside at a facility such as shelter temporary housing or permanent housing.

1214
01:32:23,470 --> 01:32:33,170
When law enforcement officer agent or employee of the government to agency has verified that the individual being transported has already been accepted to reside at the facility.

1215
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:41,390
Another exception for transporting a person to attend a verified appointment with a governmental or non-profit social service provider

1216
01:32:42,650 --> 01:32:48,370
and exception for any transportation or drop-off activities undertaken by the city itself

1217
01:32:48,690 --> 01:32:53,670
or the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department on behalf of the city within the city

1218
01:32:53,670 --> 01:33:00,370
and lastly an exception for operations of a governmental provider of public transportation such as Omnitrans

1219
01:33:01,250 --> 01:33:05,310
Any violation of this regulation shall be a misdemeanor.

1220
01:33:10,580 --> 01:33:15,080
So some positive impacts related to this ordinance include the preservation of homelessness

1221
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,220
related resources.

1222
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,400
The city has traditionally had a lower unhoused population compared to other cities in San

1223
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:26,220
Bernadino County and as a result it lacks the resources to provide shelter and services

1224
01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:29,940
to any unhoused individual that has dropped off in the city.

1225
01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:35,320
This ordinance also encourages the appropriate government agencies to provide shelter, care,

1226
01:33:35,660 --> 01:33:39,960
outreach, and other resources to the unhoused population within their own jurisdiction.

1227
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,340
And it also prevents government agencies from engaging in cruel and humane treatment

1228
01:33:45,340 --> 01:33:48,260
of unilaterally relocating unhoused persons.

1229
01:33:52,410 --> 01:33:57,230
Staff is recommending that council direct the city attorney to read by title only and introduce

1230
01:33:57,230 --> 01:34:02,410
this proposed ordinance for hibiting any un-sanctioned government sponsored relocation of

1231
01:34:02,410 --> 01:34:04,090
un-house persons into the city.

1232
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:05,230
Thank you.

1233
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:06,890
Thank you.

1234
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:09,030
Councillor any questions?

1235
01:34:10,630 --> 01:34:10,890
Councillor Mellon.

1236
01:34:14,150 --> 01:34:15,130
Thank you for that report.

1237
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:23,330
You mentioned that I wanted these slides that showed that it's stated that the transporting

1238
01:34:23,330 --> 01:34:28,610
of an individual dotted on it would result in a misdemeanor.

1239
01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:33,230
But I'd like to know what the penalty would be.

1240
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:37,510
And if it's a government-sponsored agent or person,

1241
01:34:37,870 --> 01:34:39,890
like you're referring to a police officer,

1242
01:34:40,010 --> 01:34:43,970
I mean, is our city manager or our mayor,

1243
01:34:44,010 --> 01:34:46,770
somebody going to charge them with a misdemeanor for doing that?

1244
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:48,150
And what would the penalty be?

1245
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:52,990
It is admittedly a bit of a tricky penalty,

1246
01:34:53,870 --> 01:34:57,010
because this is a novel ordinance.

1247
01:34:57,010 --> 01:35:20,950
It's based on the one drafted by city of Santa Cruz, and the main intent beneath this ordinance is to deter any further actions or preempt actions in which other jurisdictions would attempt to essentially remove and transport and relocate their unhoused population into other jurisdictions.

1248
01:35:22,990 --> 01:35:28,430
And so, the hope behind this ordinance is that it will serve as a deterrence.

1249
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:35,090
The misdemeanor language is taken straight from the City of Santa Cruz's violation.

1250
01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:45,010
And so, our hope is that in enacting this ordinance, if this is a council that chooses to do so,

1251
01:35:45,010 --> 01:35:54,070
It will serve as more of a deterrent and preempt this type of action from other jurisdictions nearby.

1252
01:35:55,210 --> 01:36:02,650
Okay, thank you for that. I think our most laws and ordinances designed to try to deter the criminal action or something.

1253
01:36:03,670 --> 01:36:05,310
So I appreciate that.

1254
01:36:05,890 --> 01:36:08,770
I did want to come up from a practical standpoint.

1255
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:13,370
I wouldn't have a problem at all dropping a ticket on some of the city manager and mayors.

1256
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:15,370
I can dig that.

1257
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:17,890
Especially for doing something like that.

1258
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:21,150
It may not have an impact.

1259
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:23,410
They're not going to go to jail in handcuffs.

1260
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:27,610
But it would certainly send a very loud public message that these,

1261
01:36:27,730 --> 01:36:29,270
this is not an acceptable behavior.

1262
01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:33,870
So it'd be great to know since we're copying Santa Cruz,

1263
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:35,010
what Santa Cruz penalty?

1264
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:38,490
Well, I'll know what our penalty is a little bit more,

1265
01:36:38,670 --> 01:36:39,030
specifically.

1266
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:42,630
So under our code, any person convicted of a misdemeanor

1267
01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:44,610
under the provisions of this code shall be punished

1268
01:36:44,610 --> 01:36:47,910
by a fine not exceeding $1,000, or imprisonment

1269
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:49,630
for a term not exceeding six months,

1270
01:36:51,970 --> 01:36:51,970
or both,

1271
01:36:51,970 --> 01:36:53,970
or by both such fine and imprisonment.

1272
01:36:54,010 --> 01:36:55,010
So that would be left to the court.

1273
01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:58,590
The tricky thing here is it would be the publication C.

1274
01:36:59,090 --> 01:37:02,550
That would be the defendant on the misdemeanor.

1275
01:37:02,590 --> 01:37:03,410
So that is tricky.

1276
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:07,870
And as G pointed out, this is kind of cutting ed,

1277
01:37:07,870 --> 01:37:10,230
this is putting something new out there.

1278
01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:13,390
So there's always risk when you put something together like this.

1279
01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:17,770
But that being said, it is intended to serve as a deterrent

1280
01:37:17,770 --> 01:37:21,630
because many years ago many cities that had police departments

1281
01:37:21,630 --> 01:37:24,930
did drop off homeless in other jurisdictions.

1282
01:37:25,710 --> 01:37:28,730
And so the whole pair is that maybe with this ordinance,

1283
01:37:29,530 --> 01:37:30,670
we would be able to deter that.

1284
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:33,540
Thanks for that.

1285
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:47,350
So if we have a homeless person and they're from Chino and all identification is from Chino I mean I want to go back to Chino

1286
01:37:48,630 --> 01:37:51,030
How do we send them back to Chino?

1287
01:37:51,370 --> 01:37:54,570
I mean do we get to the senior bus and take them there?

1288
01:37:54,670 --> 01:37:55,930
I mean I don't know

1289
01:37:57,430 --> 01:38:00,850
Well, this is only regulating government

1290
01:38:00,850 --> 01:38:08,770
as un-sanctioned government actions of relocating un-house people, so this individual would

1291
01:38:08,770 --> 01:38:15,450
be free to move from city to city as they wish the ordinance would not regulate that.

1292
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:23,230
And if they do fall underneath one of the exceptions where they are moving into a shelter

1293
01:38:23,230 --> 01:38:34,190
in genome or they have an appointment for a health facility in genome, then law enforcement

1294
01:38:34,190 --> 01:38:39,130
would be able to transport this individual underneath that exception.

1295
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:41,390
All right.

1296
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:44,830
Just not taking them home to his mom and dad or something.

1297
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:48,910
I think you hit it, taking them home to.

1298
01:38:48,910 --> 01:38:58,850
And the way it would apply for us is if there's a grand terrace resident who is has a home here in grand terrace, family and people like care for him,

1299
01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:07,470
that is homeless in some other community and they bring him in, that would be within the scope of acceptable, because they're repatriating him.

1300
01:39:07,710 --> 01:39:16,750
But what we don't want is some guy from Fresno showing up here with no connection to the community and no way to have a family or anybody fed for him.

1301
01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:26,130
and Mr. Mayor, if I may, in many other cities, they also work with the county and their service providers to assist in working with that homeless individual to provide services.

1302
01:39:27,210 --> 01:39:45,270
So, example, Wallace House. Now, that's a contract for then to lead the hospital and come over here for mental counseling to just whatever they promised is.

1303
01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:52,250
If they have unhoused people being dropped out there and not out of the scope of what

1304
01:39:52,250 --> 01:39:55,910
they're supposed to be doing, just taking care of unhoused, that's a violation.

1305
01:39:57,170 --> 01:39:58,350
They have been our CUP.

1306
01:39:59,770 --> 01:40:04,350
I mean, if we can see different agencies dropping them off, that's not within the contract.

1307
01:40:06,110 --> 01:40:13,090
If they're coming in for, and they are being accepted into the facility, that's not dropping

1308
01:40:13,090 --> 01:40:13,670
them off.

1309
01:40:13,670 --> 01:40:20,770
If there's just being dropped on the front porch and they have no relationship with the facility, then that's then that's dumping him.

1310
01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:24,590
I would concur with that.

1311
01:40:25,650 --> 01:40:27,490
Sergeant, have you dropped anybody off?

1312
01:40:29,580 --> 01:40:30,140
Yes, sir.

1313
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:41,220
We're county, so there's different agencies and different places where we could take our on-house, who are contract.

1314
01:40:41,580 --> 01:40:44,440
I know religious organizations have it.

1315
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:48,740
other places so we have certain contracts because we don't have a homeless facility here so

1316
01:40:48,740 --> 01:40:52,660
you would take them I know we have our you know whole program that they want to get

1317
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:58,600
programs and go in there so we have the means to do that and we're not in violation when we

1318
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,340
take them to San Bernardino or anything else like that right.

1319
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:08,500
That's correct also our hope program has you know we have bus passes in that kind of

1320
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:12,440
situation that you were talking about about getting somebody to Chino where we can't facilitate

1321
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:16,960
that because we don't want to take a deputy off the streets just to transport somebody

1322
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:17,760
all the way to China.

1323
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:20,320
All right.

1324
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:22,300
Any other questions?

1325
01:41:23,820 --> 01:41:25,060
Do I have any public comment?

1326
01:41:25,480 --> 01:41:26,180
No, sir.

1327
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:27,540
All right.

1328
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,560
We'll close the public hearing council deliberate.

1329
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:31,960
Do we have any motions on this?

1330
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,820
I'll make a motion on this.

1331
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:36,380
Have a recommendation.

1332
01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:39,820
I'll go ahead and second.

1333
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:41,120
City, turn you on.

1334
01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:44,840
The title of the ordinance is as follows.

1335
01:41:45,460 --> 01:41:48,720
An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Grand Terrace, California,

1336
01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:55,820
adding chapter 9.36 of Title IX to the Grand Terrace Municipal Code to prohibit any unsanctioned

1337
01:41:55,820 --> 01:42:00,640
government-sponsored relocation of unhoused persons to the City of Grand Terrace.

1338
01:42:02,220 --> 01:42:03,420
Okay, thank you.

1339
01:42:03,580 --> 01:42:05,580
Motion in the second please vote.

1340
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:09,160
Motion passes unanimously.

1341
01:42:10,440 --> 01:42:10,620
All right.

1342
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:20,720
Thank you. I don't know 12 introduction. The first reading ordinance number 362 that add chapter 9.32 of the title 9 to the grand terrace municipal code.

1343
01:42:23,110 --> 01:42:24,530
So Adrian bots you to do all the work.

1344
01:42:25,210 --> 01:42:29,050
This is the third and final item that I will be presenting on tonight.

1345
01:42:30,530 --> 01:42:36,970
And this is an ordinance to prohibit unlawful camping and storage of personal property on public property.

1346
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:45,560
This item supports City Council goal number two, maintain public safety, as campsites and personal

1347
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:50,820
property stored on public property causes fire risks, environmental degradation, public

1348
01:42:50,820 --> 01:42:55,140
access impediments, and sanitary conditions, and public safety hazards.

1349
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:00,900
It also supports goal number five, engage in proactive communication, as it provides procedures

1350
01:43:00,900 --> 01:43:05,580
for staff and the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, regarding the removal of

1351
01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:08,960
awful campsites and a unlawfully stored personal property.

1352
01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:17,530
So for some background, legal information prior to the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision

1353
01:43:17,530 --> 01:43:22,910
in the city of Grant's past, V. Johnson, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in Martin

1354
01:43:22,910 --> 01:43:27,690
V. City of Boise had found prohibitions against sitting, sleeping, or lying in public

1355
01:43:27,690 --> 01:43:32,870
violated the 8th Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment when the homeless

1356
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:35,550
individual had no access to alternative shelter.

1357
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:43,400
On June 28th of this year, the U.S. Supreme Court overruled the Ninth Circuit in City

1358
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,020
of Grants Pass and found the cruel and unusual punishments clause does not prohibit

1359
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:55,320
the enforcement of public camping laws. The court found that the City of Grants Passes

1360
01:43:55,320 --> 01:44:00,760
ordnance, which imposed fines with repeat offenses, incurring larger fines, or eventually

1361
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:06,740
criminal punishment, was not cruel or unusual. The reasoning was that the cruel and unusual

1362
01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:09,380
punishments clause focuses on the method of punishment.

1363
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:12,960
A government may impose after a criminal conviction,

1364
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:17,000
not on whether a government may criminalize a particular behavior

1365
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,680
in the first place, or how the government may go

1366
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,200
about securing a conviction for that offense.

1367
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,540
So one of the implications of this decision

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01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:30,280
is that municipalities may now pursue enforcement

1369
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,500
of camping prohibitions, regardless of shelter availability.

1370
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:36,780
However, it is important to note that the holding

1371
01:44:36,780 --> 01:44:41,740
in city of grants passes limited in scope to the cruel and unusual punishments clause.

1372
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:48,800
There are still other potential claims that may be brought against camping ordinances, including

1373
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:53,180
the excessive fines clause of the 8th Amendment, the due process clause of the 5th

1374
01:44:53,180 --> 01:44:53,920
and 14th Amendment.

1375
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,920
The 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the right

1376
01:44:58,920 --> 01:44:59,980
to travel through the 5th Amendment.

1377
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:20,300
As such, camping ordinances should avoid blanket bands on camping activities and pose reasonable finds, clearly define and articulate prohibitions and associated penalties, provide notice before removal of campsites and personal property, and properly store those collected property after removal.

1378
01:45:20,300 --> 01:45:21,280
The

1379
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:27,680
proposed ordinance prohibits camping and storage of personal property on public property

1380
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,480
and provides guidance and enforcement of violations.

1381
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:36,560
The unlawful camping section prohibits any person from camping, occupying

1382
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:41,600
camp facilities or using camp paraphernalia or on public or private property.

1383
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:48,480
Camp or camping means to place pitch or occupy camp facilities to temporarily

1384
01:45:49,220 --> 01:45:53,720
to live temporarily in a camp facility or outdoors to use camp

1385
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:58,320
paraphernalia in a single location within a city for more than 24 hours.

1386
01:45:58,860 --> 01:46:03,800
Camp facilities include but are not limited to tents, huts, or temporary shelter.

1387
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:08,960
And camp paraphernalia include but is not limited to bed rules, terpolins,

1388
01:46:09,260 --> 01:46:13,400
pots, beds, sleeping bags, hammocks, or cooking facilities in similar equipment.

1389
01:46:15,820 --> 01:46:19,420
Some exceptions to the camping prohibition is provided for

1390
01:46:19,420 --> 01:46:22,780
special events and lawful use of private property.

1391
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,540
Special events include programs operated by city departments,

1392
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,280
youth or school events, marathons or other sporting events,

1393
01:46:30,740 --> 01:46:31,780
and other scouting activities.

1394
01:46:33,020 --> 01:46:35,020
Lawful use of private property is considered

1395
01:46:35,020 --> 01:46:38,180
activities of a lawful user of private property,

1396
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,520
normally associated with an incidental

1397
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,220
to the authorized use of private property.

1398
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,760
When an individual is in violation of a camping prohibition,

1399
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:56,500
The city may remove personal property, camp paraphernalia, camp facilities and other property and accordance with the provided procedures.

1400
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:06,720
First, a notice to vacate must be posted on each tent or structure in a conspicuous matter at least 48 hours before beginning campsite removal.

1401
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:14,220
The notice should include the posting date and time, the location, the vacate by date and time,

1402
01:47:14,860 --> 01:47:20,080
directions on how to retrieve collected property, and date by which collected property must be

1403
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:26,840
retrieved, and finally a removal start and end dates. A person who returns to the campsite during

1404
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:31,460
removal will be allowed to remove their own property from the site, and any personal property

1405
01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:38,180
this individual these behind will be deemed abandoned. Time stamp photographs or videos should

1406
01:47:38,180 --> 01:47:44,400
be taken before during and after removal work has been completed. Personal property that is not

1407
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:50,880
a hazardous item shall be time stamp photographed and inventoryed. Collective personal property

1408
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:57,200
shall be stored in a secure location for at least 60 days. items not retrieved after 60 days

1409
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,120
may be deemed abandoned and discarded or recycled.

1410
01:48:01,700 --> 01:48:03,580
Providing this type of advanced notice

1411
01:48:03,580 --> 01:48:05,720
in procedures for safekeeping and property

1412
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:09,020
could help curb potential procedural due process

1413
01:48:09,020 --> 01:48:11,300
and Fourth Amendment search and seizure challenges.

1414
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,580
Under exigent circumstances, the city may remove personal property

1415
01:48:19,580 --> 01:48:22,520
camp paraphernalia, camp facilities, and other property

1416
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,460
without a prior notice to vacate.

1417
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:29,160
Instead, the city will be required to post a written notice

1418
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:30,100
after removal.

1419
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:36,880
And this notice should include posting data and time, location, directions on how to retrieve

1420
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:41,440
collective property, and the date by which the collective property must be retrieved.

1421
01:48:42,620 --> 01:48:48,720
Again, timestamp photographs or videos should be taken before during and after removal

1422
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:49,840
work has been completed.

1423
01:48:50,620 --> 01:48:54,880
Personal property that is not a hazard at hazard is item, should be timestamped in

1424
01:48:54,880 --> 01:49:01,020
a graph and inventoryed and collective personal property should be stored for at least 60 days.

1425
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:07,600
Excuse me. Yes, exigent circumstances defined? Yes.

1426
01:49:14,570 --> 01:49:16,830
Exigent circumstances means any circumstance

1427
01:49:16,830 --> 01:49:21,810
in which there is an imminent threat to life, health, safety or infrastructure, which must be

1428
01:49:21,810 --> 01:49:28,090
immediately addressed. And that determination is made by city officials. Yes, that's correct. Thank you.

1429
01:49:29,820 --> 01:49:40,520
So, the unlawful storage of personal property section prohibits any person from storing personal property on any public property or any private property without written consent of the owner.

1430
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:51,480
Personal property means any item having a parent value of $50 or more, or any item that can be reasonably identified as belonging to an individual that has a parent value or utility.

1431
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:58,300
And this definition of personal property also will apply to the personal property mentioned in the earlier sections.

1432
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:07,620
When an individual unlawfully stores personal property and violation of the section, the city may remove

1433
01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:11,780
this unlawfully stored personal property in accordance with the provided procedures.

1434
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:18,120
First, a notice of removal shall be posted on or near the personal property in a conspicuous manner

1435
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,060
at least 24 hours before beginning removal.

1436
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:27,880
The notice shall include posting date and time, location, a removed by date and time.

1437
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,620
General description of a monthly store personal property,

1438
01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:33,380
directions on how to retrieve the collective property,

1439
01:50:33,980 --> 01:50:34,960
and the data removal.

1440
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,080
Again, in person who claims the personal property during the process of removal,

1441
01:50:40,660 --> 01:50:43,220
shall be allowed to remove their own property from the location.

1442
01:50:44,660 --> 01:50:46,960
Personal property that is not a hazardous item,

1443
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:49,700
shall be time stamp photographed and inventoryed,

1444
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,120
and the collective property shall be stored for at least 60 days.

1445
01:50:57,110 --> 01:50:58,850
Once again, under exigent circumstances,

1446
01:50:58,850 --> 01:51:03,370
this city may remove unlawfully stored personal property without a notice of removal.

1447
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:07,530
Instead, the city will be required to post a written notice after removal.

1448
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:10,950
And this notice should include data and time of removal,

1449
01:51:11,810 --> 01:51:14,890
location, general description of a monthly stored personal property,

1450
01:51:15,610 --> 01:51:18,630
directions on how to retrieve the collected personal property,

1451
01:51:19,110 --> 01:51:22,030
and the date by which the collected property must be retrieved.

1452
01:51:23,470 --> 01:51:26,490
Again, any personal property that is not a hazardous item,

1453
01:51:26,490 --> 01:51:31,450
Shelby timestamp photographed an inventory and the collected personal property shall be stored

1454
01:51:31,450 --> 01:51:34,350
for at least 60 days.

1455
01:51:38,510 --> 01:51:42,970
Violations of these regulations will initially result in a verbal or written warning.

1456
01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:48,470
Enforcement personnel shall make a good faith effort to contact the person in violation and

1457
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:50,990
provide a reasonable opportunity to cure the violation.

1458
01:51:52,210 --> 01:51:57,470
The warning shall describe the activity consulting of constituting a violation of this chapter,

1459
01:51:57,470 --> 01:52:06,110
The action required to fix the violation and the date and time by which the violation must be cured in order to avoid subsequent violations and penalties.

1460
01:52:07,810 --> 01:52:12,830
A second violation will be an infraction and punishable by a fine not exceeding $50.

1461
01:52:13,870 --> 01:52:26,090
A lower fine amount is imposed than the city's existing penalty provisions, which started at $100, to deter challenges under the excessive fines clause of the eighth amendment.

1462
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:31,670
Then any violation of this chapter, which would otherwise be an infraction, will be a

1463
01:52:31,670 --> 01:52:36,390
misdemeanor if a person has been convicted of an infraction within one year, immediately

1464
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:41,170
preceding the date of the first violation. So in other words, if there is a third violation

1465
01:52:41,170 --> 01:52:45,110
within one year of the first violation, it will be considered a misdemeanor.

1466
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:49,740
Staff is recommending

1467
01:52:49,740 --> 01:52:54,280
that council direct the city attorney to read by title only and introduce this proposed

1468
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:58,740
ordinance prohibiting unlawful camping and storage of personal property on public property.

1469
01:52:58,740 --> 01:53:00,660
Thank you.

1470
01:53:00,660 --> 01:53:01,220
Thank you.

1471
01:53:01,420 --> 01:53:02,360
Council have any questions?

1472
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:07,050
That's my hour.

1473
01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:11,450
Thank you for that report.

1474
01:53:12,250 --> 01:53:21,950
And you mentioned I'm earlier on the slides about the 24 hour limit on per location in the city.

1475
01:53:22,150 --> 01:53:23,230
Is that correct?

1476
01:53:23,530 --> 01:53:24,450
Something like that.

1477
01:53:25,190 --> 01:53:33,890
I believe that you are referencing the camp definition, which means the place picture

1478
01:53:33,890 --> 01:53:37,070
occupying facilities, and then to use camp air

1479
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:40,710
for nearly a single location within the city for more than 24 hours.

1480
01:53:42,410 --> 01:53:45,890
So, do we have something, is there something written in there

1481
01:53:45,890 --> 01:53:51,430
that would prevent the individual from moving from one part to the next every day?

1482
01:53:51,850 --> 01:53:55,830
And just going into like a round robin in all our parks every day?

1483
01:53:57,150 --> 01:54:01,310
No, there isn't necessarily anything that would prevent an individual from doing so.

1484
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:04,610
Okay. Thank you.

1485
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:11,760
Excuse me, would that qualify for potentially for three administrative

1486
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:16,300
citations, affording the opportunity to take more severe action?

1487
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:21,660
If this individual has caught three separate times, yes.

1488
01:54:22,260 --> 01:54:31,380
Okay, thank you. I want to get a clarification on that, please. So are they forbidden at all

1489
01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:34,660
from camping or forbidden from camping for more than 24 hours?

1490
01:54:34,980 --> 01:54:36,980
They would be under the definition of camp,

1491
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,300
be forbidden for the camping itself, the action,

1492
01:54:40,420 --> 01:54:43,920
itself would be the 24 hour action.

1493
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,220
So they could camp for less than 24 hours,

1494
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,100
legally in our city, is that what you're saying?

1495
01:54:56,900 --> 01:54:57,020
Yes.

1496
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,500
In a different location.

1497
01:54:59,740 --> 01:54:59,860
Each.

1498
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:01,800
They would not be prevented from moving

1499
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,020
to a different location within the city, yes.

1500
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,880
Are we missing something in this ordinance, then?

1501
01:55:10,140 --> 01:55:38,360
So, the 24-hour requirement was the avenue that we chose when drafting this ordinance because it seems the typical trend in California for cities or at least the cities in the Ninth Circuit is that they will either restrict camping with a time limit or they will restrict camping and then they will allow for by some sort of resolution areas in which camping will be allowed in the city.

1502
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:45,120
Since the city of Grand Terrace is smaller and the city historically does not have a large

1503
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:52,100
encampment populations, we opted to draft according to the time limits that are imposed.

1504
01:55:53,300 --> 01:56:00,040
And we feel imposing time limits is advisable instead of doing a blanket ban, because there

1505
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:04,540
is potential for future challenges, especially under the right to travel.

1506
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:11,540
And so we want to be a little bit cautious in enforcing any type of blanket bands.

1507
01:56:13,460 --> 01:56:22,740
Oh, what if we tried to, what if we didn't play cautious, tried it hard and then if they slept our hand we'd kind of backed off.

1508
01:56:23,100 --> 01:56:24,260
That is also a possibility.

1509
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:31,800
Because you understand the scenario I'm imagining can happen here.

1510
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:59,740
Right. That is also a possibility. The only reason that wouldn't be advisable is that this is still very active in ongoing litigation and we feel very soon there will be additional challenges under the other potential challenges that I mentioned and so in order to avoid that we were hoping to do something that is a little bit more measured.

1511
01:57:00,620 --> 01:57:07,460
Okay. Well, before I term a mic off, I commend both. My command, whoever was responsible for

1512
01:57:07,460 --> 01:57:12,860
thinking ahead, and with this incident, Santa Cruz, and yet, and yet, and us, on board

1513
01:57:12,860 --> 01:57:15,700
of the ordinance, before it ever happens. That's good work. Thanks.

1514
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:20,120
So, how could we tell they've been there 24 hours?

1515
01:57:22,250 --> 01:57:25,750
That would be just based on monitoring by city staff.

1516
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:29,430
We will know how many hours they're prior.

1517
01:57:30,530 --> 01:57:33,750
So I think that's correct.

1518
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:40,030
I think 24 hours may be beneficial because then it could be during staff hours.

1519
01:57:40,490 --> 01:57:45,410
And so if it's eight o'clock one morning and then eight o'clock the next morning,

1520
01:57:45,630 --> 01:57:50,030
there's still at the same location as opposed to maybe if it was a 12 hour violation.

1521
01:57:50,510 --> 01:57:54,650
It would be difficult for staff to work over time and come back at APM.

1522
01:57:54,650 --> 01:57:58,890
And so it would just be based off of monitoring in that sense.

1523
01:57:59,270 --> 01:58:01,510
The same way we do it parked cars.

1524
01:58:01,750 --> 01:58:02,650
I was going to say that.

1525
01:58:02,670 --> 01:58:03,770
We'll drop the homeless.

1526
01:58:04,130 --> 01:58:04,730
We'll drop the tires.

1527
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:08,650
So we don't.

1528
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:12,410
We have a no camping ordinance inside of our parks, right?

1529
01:58:13,370 --> 01:58:15,010
We do not allow camping in a parks.

1530
01:58:15,150 --> 01:58:17,750
And the parks are locked at night.

1531
01:58:18,250 --> 01:58:20,030
Except for our two open green spaces.

1532
01:58:21,170 --> 01:58:21,510
Correct.

1533
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:28,400
But if we have no camping ordinance on that, we could go out to any time.

1534
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:32,280
Yeah, if they're camping in the park, it's fair game.

1535
01:58:32,420 --> 01:58:37,420
So this is basically people that set up on a sidewalk or a little pocket somewhere.

1536
01:58:39,700 --> 01:58:50,660
And we have a very observant population that is, and thank you to our citizens who are pretty observant and really staying on that,

1537
01:58:50,660 --> 01:58:57,720
we keep the homeless population down. We get them into resources. So I think 24 hours is

1538
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:02,620
something that's manageable if it's not. We can come back and look at it again. We end up with

1539
01:59:02,620 --> 01:59:10,240
this explosion of guys that are scouting the 24 hour rule. So before we do the first fine and stuff

1540
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:17,820
we're saying the whole team out there to try to give them resources or you guys can be part of this

1541
01:59:17,820 --> 01:59:22,180
24 hour, they can see from an operational perspective,

1542
01:59:22,940 --> 01:59:26,180
we would have the hope team join us as we're asking them

1543
01:59:26,180 --> 01:59:28,260
to move along, which is what we do already.

1544
01:59:29,700 --> 01:59:32,040
We're actually taking out a homeless camp tomorrow morning,

1545
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:32,760
eight o'clock.

1546
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,640
So hope team is going to be out there, guys, be out there.

1547
01:59:36,740 --> 01:59:39,180
We've noticed that we've essentially followed these procedures,

1548
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:44,580
and this is pretty much codifying what we've been doing

1549
01:59:44,580 --> 01:59:46,680
for a couple of years already.

1550
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:49,840
Yeah. Okay. Any other questions?

1551
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:53,800
Oh. Councilman.

1552
01:59:54,460 --> 01:59:55,720
I just want to thank you.

1553
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:59,240
Just for the work that you've put into it, and thank you for being measured.

1554
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:22,220
There are approach, because we've seen other areas and other cities who went a lot harder with their restrictions and we saw the injunctions and we saw the influx of the unhoused in their areas that at this point, you know, God be with them and how they address that, but thank you for the work and the thoughtfulness that you put into this.

1555
02:00:22,460 --> 02:00:23,920
Thank you.

1556
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:26,000
Okay, do we have any public comment?

1557
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:27,560
Yes, Bobby Forbes.

1558
02:00:32,660 --> 02:00:50,340
Thank you, so I find it a little confusing because I can't quite hear everybody talking about this subject in these ordinances, but I frequent the areas where the homeless are in our community and I watch I take pictures because I want to know who they are and if there is trouble that I can identify and I can report if needed.

1559
02:00:51,720 --> 02:01:00,360
Colton has a group called Swag, a W-A-G that they've just hired for $250,000, I think, a year and they've given them a location to be in.

1560
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:06,320
They are, I thought it was a non-profit, but apparently it's not.

1561
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:20,320
And they have the option or opportunity or right, I'm not sure the right word, to go and offer people rides, go to medical, get them DMV, ID cards, and do different things of that to try to help the homeless.

1562
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:26,580
on the streets. This is for Colton right now. I know that our hope program, I think it's every

1563
02:01:26,580 --> 02:01:34,500
six months, $125,000 a year if I remember right, and I've met different deputies that worked

1564
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:40,640
that program. I wonder how successful that is and if possibly this group called swag might be better

1565
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:44,900
to use even if we're allowed to or can investigate that option.

1566
02:01:48,010 --> 02:01:49,390
The group that's underneath the

1567
02:01:49,390 --> 02:01:56,430
I understand they were tagged and told that you're going to clear it out tomorrow maybe, they'll be down there tomorrow.

1568
02:01:57,510 --> 02:02:02,070
I report to the city when I see that activity happening over and over again.

1569
02:02:02,310 --> 02:02:07,410
I'm interacting with Dr. G from Colton. He handles a little downhill area from the Colton Council.

1570
02:02:08,050 --> 02:02:13,550
But it's hard saying that the staff is going to monitor them sleeping somewhere overnight.

1571
02:02:13,930 --> 02:02:17,890
That's just ridiculous. I probably see more on the street than what the staff can.

1572
02:02:17,890 --> 02:02:19,030
because they're up here working.

1573
02:02:19,530 --> 02:02:20,930
Code enforcement can't do it.

1574
02:02:21,150 --> 02:02:23,050
You're not going to hire someone else to go do it.

1575
02:02:23,050 --> 02:02:24,410
So it's going to be up to the community.

1576
02:02:24,610 --> 02:02:27,770
And thank goodness there are people that do watch,

1577
02:02:27,790 --> 02:02:29,470
but I don't know if they report or if they just

1578
02:02:29,470 --> 02:02:30,390
complain on Facebook.

1579
02:02:31,450 --> 02:02:32,990
And those of you who are on Facebook know

1580
02:02:32,990 --> 02:02:35,990
that I'm often giving out people to contact

1581
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:37,670
when they're complaining on Facebook.

1582
02:02:38,210 --> 02:02:40,890
I try not to give my opinion too often,

1583
02:02:41,610 --> 02:02:43,790
but not that it's all that.

1584
02:02:43,950 --> 02:02:45,770
It's just that I try to be helpful to the staff

1585
02:02:45,770 --> 02:02:50,170
or to the community to know who to contact and so they're just complaining on Facebook.

1586
02:02:51,070 --> 02:02:56,350
And this is long and necessary, but some of it's really ridiculous.

1587
02:02:56,670 --> 02:03:00,990
I guess if you have it in an ordinance, then you can try to enforce it, but I don't see how

1588
02:03:00,990 --> 02:03:04,510
one deputy working per shift all the time can do it.

1589
02:03:04,510 --> 02:03:09,930
So I hope the community will step up and look at this sales tax so that we can get another

1590
02:03:09,930 --> 02:03:16,170
deputy, we can get this little building back here with people being able to see that

1591
02:03:16,170 --> 02:03:20,650
their sheriff's in town so that the word hits the street for the homeless, for the drifters,

1592
02:03:21,090 --> 02:03:24,470
for the people camping, for the ones who are just coming through, don't want to come up

1593
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:28,290
our road and get off the freeway or come up from down below by Walmart or whatever it is

1594
02:03:28,290 --> 02:03:30,950
that they are coming so that they are causing the problems in our community.

1595
02:03:31,450 --> 02:03:34,510
They go through my neighborhood because I live by the riverbed in the old river tracks.

1596
02:03:34,510 --> 02:03:42,230
So, I, if I didn't say something, again, you wouldn't know I'm trying to pay attention, but

1597
02:03:42,230 --> 02:03:45,070
I find this very confusing and very unenforceable.

1598
02:03:45,290 --> 02:03:46,310
Thank you.

1599
02:03:46,570 --> 02:03:47,330
Thank you, Bob.

1600
02:03:48,270 --> 02:03:49,310
Have you other public comments?

1601
02:03:49,410 --> 02:03:49,970
No, sir.

1602
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:50,610
Okay.

1603
02:03:50,850 --> 02:03:52,270
Close public hearing.

1604
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:56,890
Can't say anything else, any other deliberations, questions?

1605
02:03:58,870 --> 02:04:06,930
And our first and the second, make motion to approve staff recommendations.

1606
02:04:10,690 --> 02:04:11,450
Go ahead.

1607
02:04:11,610 --> 02:04:13,950
The title of the ordinance is as follows.

1608
02:04:14,730 --> 02:04:18,070
An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Grand Terrace, California.

1609
02:04:18,810 --> 02:04:24,690
Adding chapter 9.32 of title 9 to the grand terrace municipal code to prohibit unlawful

1610
02:04:24,690 --> 02:04:26,530
camping and storage of personal property.

1611
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,980
Okay, we have a person's second please vote.

1612
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,120
Motion passes unanimously.

1613
02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:37,160
Alrighty, so we are on

1614
02:04:41,770 --> 02:04:42,750
13.

1615
02:04:49,020 --> 02:04:51,860
Okay, item 13 community benefit fund application amendment.

1616
02:04:53,820 --> 02:04:54,820
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1617
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:59,780
And I just want to say thank you to G for all her hard work on the previous three items.

1618
02:05:00,380 --> 02:05:01,380
Thank you.

1619
02:05:01,580 --> 02:05:02,120
Very good.

1620
02:05:02,300 --> 02:05:02,600
Thank you.

1621
02:05:03,660 --> 02:05:10,300
So this next item follows up on our last city council meeting where we had a community benefit.

1622
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:19,100
fund proposed, and a question was raised whether or not we should continue to implement our policy

1623
02:05:19,740 --> 02:05:26,980
when religious organizations are gifted, committed benefit funds for a public entity

1624
02:05:26,980 --> 02:05:32,760
public event. And so Councillor Allen had raised a recent Supreme Court case and asked us

1625
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:35,080
to look into that, so that's what I'm going to be presenting tonight.

1626
02:05:37,670 --> 02:05:39,350
So this item goes to two

1627
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:42,530
Council goals, number one ensuring our fiscal

1628
02:05:42,530 --> 02:05:45,790
viability through the continuous monitoring of revenue

1629
02:05:45,790 --> 02:05:48,650
receipts and expenditure disbursements against the

1630
02:05:48,650 --> 02:05:52,330
approved budget appropriation and second developing and

1631
02:05:52,330 --> 02:05:55,770
implementing successful partnerships through productive

1632
02:05:55,770 --> 02:05:58,890
collaboration with community groups, youth programs, and

1633
02:05:58,890 --> 02:05:59,830
senior organizations.

1634
02:06:01,890 --> 02:06:02,890
So, you know, first of all, I want to

1635
02:06:02,890 --> 02:06:08,010
think Councilman Brelling for raising this issue. You know, people

1636
02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:13,690
I go to law school to address, look into these constitutional issues, and this is one of those

1637
02:06:13,690 --> 02:06:18,890
where it's kind of an open question, and it's all kind of walk the council through it tonight.

1638
02:06:19,310 --> 02:06:25,870
So, remember for the public, we have a community benefits program, we provide certain funding

1639
02:06:25,870 --> 02:06:32,790
for community events, public events, in a specific case it was through a religious organization

1640
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:40,490
who was proposing an event and historically we have had a condition about no

1641
02:06:40,490 --> 02:06:47,970
prostalization as part of the funding of the event. And so the question is whether

1642
02:06:47,970 --> 02:06:52,930
we should continue with that policy or should we amend it in some way. So there's

1643
02:06:52,930 --> 02:07:00,510
three bodies of law that come into play. And so usually one body of laws vague enough

1644
02:07:00,510 --> 02:07:01,870
But now we have three.

1645
02:07:02,910 --> 02:07:06,570
The first one is the establishment clause in the United States Constitution.

1646
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:12,050
The emphasis here is separation of church and state, and which

1647
02:07:12,050 --> 02:07:15,950
pro-stabilization or sponsorship of religion with public funds is generally

1648
02:07:16,650 --> 02:07:17,210
prohibited.

1649
02:07:18,350 --> 02:07:25,070
I will read a statement from the Supreme Court in that case that I'll be

1650
02:07:25,070 --> 02:07:26,570
referencing a little bit further.

1651
02:07:26,570 --> 02:07:44,010
But he said that the first amendments free exercise and establishment clauses were intended to strike a balance on the interaction between government and religion, but the ultimate goal of avoiding religious strife in a country that now has over 100 different religions.

1652
02:07:44,010 --> 02:07:50,730
And when you get to the pre-exercise, that is also a constitutional right of a religious

1653
02:07:50,730 --> 02:07:56,050
entity, religious entities, and individual persons right to free exercise or religion under

1654
02:07:56,050 --> 02:08:01,350
the constitution, meaning they have the right to exercise whatever religion they choose.

1655
02:08:02,110 --> 02:08:08,590
The third item is under California Constitutional Law and Gift of Public Funds that any

1656
02:08:08,590 --> 02:08:18,490
public funds expended by a public agency survey public purpose and not a private purpose of a specific entity.

1657
02:08:21,180 --> 02:08:24,560
And so what we looked at are some various options.

1658
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:30,420
One is continuing with the no-prostylization as a condition of approval.

1659
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:35,100
That would be consistent with the establishment clause and the gift of public funds clause,

1660
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,780
but based on the Supreme Court case that the Council Member Allen had pointed out, it could

1661
02:08:39,780 --> 02:08:46,100
some questions and as background on that case, it's not directly on point but it raises some

1662
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:53,480
interesting questions. In that case it was a school voucher case in Maine where the case originates

1663
02:08:53,480 --> 02:09:03,520
from, there were certain rural areas where there were no higher education in the area. And so the

1664
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:07,520
They provided vouchers to those families to educate their children.

1665
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:16,580
They said the vouchers could be used at private schools but specifically stated no religious schools.

1666
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:22,560
And historically, that has been constitutional,

1667
02:09:23,580 --> 02:09:28,200
making sure that there is a separation of church and state in use of grant funds.

1668
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:36,040
and just as Sotomayor descended in the case, she said, you know, the Supreme Court has shifted

1669
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:43,000
from a rule that permits states to decline to fund religious organizations, to one that requires

1670
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:49,800
states and many circumstances to subsidize religious indoctrination with taxpayer dollars.

1671
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:56,500
And she said that because the Supreme Court concluded that the vouchers should be eligible for

1672
02:09:56,500 --> 02:10:01,240
any institution, private, and if it's private, it can be religious.

1673
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:07,740
That was a little bit of a turn from, you know, centuries of establishment clause cases.

1674
02:10:09,380 --> 02:10:16,020
Now the court found that that was an infringement upon the family's right to free exercise

1675
02:10:16,020 --> 02:10:22,160
of religion, the families, and that's a key point because here we're not infringing on any

1676
02:10:22,160 --> 02:10:25,820
families' choice of their free exercise of religion.

1677
02:10:26,740 --> 02:10:29,060
That being said, the direction of the Supreme Court,

1678
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:31,920
at least raises question about whether that would potentially

1679
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:34,200
in fringe on a religious institutions

1680
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,680
right to exercise their religion.

1681
02:10:37,480 --> 02:10:41,280
There is case law that public agencies make

1682
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:42,760
condition grants of funds.

1683
02:10:43,460 --> 02:10:46,260
And historically, that no personalization

1684
02:10:46,260 --> 02:10:48,160
would be consistent with the establishment clause,

1685
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:50,840
would be consistent with the gift of public funds

1686
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:57,820
as well, but this Supreme Court case at least opens up an argument that, well, maybe there

1687
02:10:57,820 --> 02:11:08,180
is a potential for a free exercise question. So, a second option was to soften it to some

1688
02:11:08,180 --> 02:11:16,580
extent, or approach, and to require the primarily serve a secular purpose, and it generally

1689
02:11:16,580 --> 02:11:19,520
implement each of the three bodies of law.

1690
02:11:20,240 --> 02:11:23,080
We would recommend implementing the primarily

1691
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,420
service secular purpose in three facets.

1692
02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:29,960
Number one, that the event and public fund must serve

1693
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:31,800
a public purpose or provide a public benefit.

1694
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:34,920
So we have to ensure that case and the council

1695
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:38,700
would need to make a finding every time we approve

1696
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:43,820
a community benefits fund grant that the event

1697
02:11:43,820 --> 02:11:46,100
serve a public purpose or provide a public benefit.

1698
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:47,300
that's number one.

1699
02:11:47,620 --> 02:11:50,440
Number two, the event must be open and available to the public

1700
02:11:50,940 --> 02:11:54,300
to participate without membership or admission fee.

1701
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:58,660
So it can't be your only member of this organization.

1702
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,060
And therefore, you can only members can participate.

1703
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:04,040
It would have to be something that we brought

1704
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:07,260
into the entire community to identify a public benefit.

1705
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:10,000
And again, this would apply across the board

1706
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:12,440
to any organization that would come to us.

1707
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:20,320
The third condition, which addresses the no-prosalization, but it is in a specific content based

1708
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:25,880
regulation, is that there would be no requirement to listen to any presentation or speech

1709
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:29,420
of any nature, regardless of content as a condition of participating.

1710
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:38,720
So for example, I'll use an example of time shares, people go to time shares, and they're

1711
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:44,880
required to sit and listen to a presentation as part of the event.

1712
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:50,580
We would do some, we would include this condition where that's not required, the person

1713
02:12:50,580 --> 02:12:55,720
in our car to sit and listen to any speech, religious or whatever it could even be business-oriented,

1714
02:12:56,620 --> 02:12:57,920
as a condition of participating.

1715
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:00,220
Now what does this allow?

1716
02:13:00,540 --> 02:13:01,860
Does it allow for religious elements?

1717
02:13:04,180 --> 02:13:08,700
But participants are in our car to listen and it shall not be the main purpose of the event.

1718
02:13:08,700 --> 02:13:11,340
and, again, the conditions would apply to all recipients.

1719
02:13:12,260 --> 02:13:15,960
So we believe that this approach would address

1720
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:21,340
the three bodies of law and ensure that, again,

1721
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:25,540
providing the fund civilizability would serve

1722
02:13:26,060 --> 02:13:29,620
constitutional muster under these three bodies of law.

1723
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:35,820
Again, it is an interesting area of law and that's what we're proposing.

1724
02:13:36,460 --> 02:13:37,380
So have it answer any questions?

1725
02:13:37,380 --> 02:13:39,760
I'd like to start, please.

1726
02:13:40,060 --> 02:13:40,580
I'd like to start.

1727
02:13:40,580 --> 02:13:43,140
Well, Mr. Villain, you have a question?

1728
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:44,900
I'd like to start.

1729
02:13:46,180 --> 02:13:47,300
Thank you.

1730
02:13:49,380 --> 02:13:50,640
Do you have cash in your wallet?

1731
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:53,820
Do I have cash in my wallet?

1732
02:13:55,180 --> 02:13:57,600
Or on average, do you carry cash?

1733
02:13:59,580 --> 02:14:00,460
Sure, yes.

1734
02:14:02,740 --> 02:14:04,220
Coming from the federal government,

1735
02:14:05,340 --> 02:14:07,100
our cash says in God we trust.

1736
02:14:07,100 --> 02:14:26,240
And our chambers, it says in God, we trust so, is our attorney asking us, are you advising now that we remove prayer and vocation from the beginning of our meetings with your statement of ensuring that we maintain separation of church and state?

1737
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:34,300
No, in fact, I'm the recommendation is specifically to ensure that the main purpose of the

1738
02:14:34,300 --> 02:14:35,440
event is secular.

1739
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:44,280
So, and as I stated in my last slide, there will be incidental religious elements that would

1740
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:44,740
be allowed.

1741
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:49,380
So, I believe at the last meeting, the speaker on behalf of the organization mentioned that

1742
02:14:49,380 --> 02:14:52,180
there would be prayer as part of the event.

1743
02:14:52,180 --> 02:14:59,380
But, again, the public portion of the event would be the main purpose, so it wouldn't be to eliminate every aspect of it.

1744
02:14:59,900 --> 02:14:59,960
It would...

1745
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,260
It will allow it, but allow the religious elements to be supplementary to the main purpose of a public event.

1746
02:15:06,620 --> 02:15:14,720
And to be clear, the U.S. Constitution does not say separation of church and state. It is a theory.

1747
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:22,660
And it has been argued over and over in court of law. But there is no verbiage. Is that accurate?

1748
02:15:22,660 --> 02:15:29,340
Well, what the Constitution provides is that we do not endorse any specific religion.

1749
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:29,700
Sorry.

1750
02:15:30,340 --> 02:15:35,340
The question was, is the verbage separation of church and state in the Constitution?

1751
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:36,380
It is not.

1752
02:15:36,540 --> 02:15:37,420
Thank you.

1753
02:15:40,990 --> 02:15:46,770
This amendment written in this form is messaging from this dius that we stand by an

1754
02:15:46,770 --> 02:15:53,290
degree to mandating a group of people to abandon their freedom to practice religion upon their

1755
02:15:53,290 --> 02:15:53,970
request.

1756
02:15:55,090 --> 02:16:01,790
There's case law dating back to 1899 all the way through 88 that this issue has been debated.

1757
02:16:02,710 --> 02:16:09,490
It goes back to education and even the construction of buildings for religious institutions

1758
02:16:09,950 --> 02:16:15,750
such as education, Loma Linda right down the road, their university and their medical center.

1759
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:30,590
Both religious institutions. I'm a graduate of that school. I was required to attend chapel every Wednesday, and study the foundations of seven-day Adventism, receiving federal funds.

1760
02:16:32,410 --> 02:16:42,890
The university not only uses federal funds to educate those who save lives, but also receives federal funds to save those lives.

1761
02:16:44,940 --> 02:16:50,840
The Salvation Army, their mission statement says to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ,

1762
02:16:51,300 --> 02:17:01,180
also receiving federal funds, Catholic Charities, a very well-known organization, and I quote from their page,

1763
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:09,300
proudly carry the name and values of the Catholic faith, in which 90% of their revenue source comes from federal grant funding.

1764
02:17:10,740 --> 02:17:21,580
If we had a youth organization come in and request, we'd like to have a yoga session, and we would like $2,000 to do that retreat.

1765
02:17:22,900 --> 02:17:26,380
Yoga is founded and deeply rooted in Hinduism and Buddhism.

1766
02:17:28,620 --> 02:17:37,180
annually, grand terrace, the event of the year is our light up, our light up grand terrace event

1767
02:17:37,180 --> 02:17:42,060
and our Christmas event held at a 70th-day Adventist institution

1768
02:17:44,590 --> 02:17:47,810
as a woman, as a person

1769
02:17:47,810 --> 02:17:53,910
of color, I don't stand by this amendment and I refuse to marginalize a group of people

1770
02:17:53,910 --> 02:18:06,350
With such discriminatory practices and asking that they denounce or subject themselves or subscribe to secular practices over their faith and belief.

1771
02:18:06,770 --> 02:18:08,490
Thank you.

1772
02:18:09,050 --> 02:18:10,310
May I respond to that, Mr. Mayor?

1773
02:18:11,430 --> 02:18:11,570
Sure.

1774
02:18:12,410 --> 02:18:19,550
So, again, the proposal that I'm recommending is generally consistent with what you're

1775
02:18:19,550 --> 02:18:21,070
what you said.

1776
02:18:22,570 --> 02:18:29,310
In each of the examples you provided, there's a public purpose or public benefit that those

1777
02:18:29,310 --> 02:18:35,190
organizations provide, whether it's a hospital, whether it's a, you know, community-based

1778
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:37,830
organization, each of those provided public benefit.

1779
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:42,990
And I'm not saying do not provide any funds to them.

1780
02:18:43,650 --> 02:18:45,370
That has not posed in any way.

1781
02:18:45,890 --> 02:18:49,910
What I'm saying is to ensure that we comply

1782
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:53,610
with at least the apparent direction of the Supreme Court.

1783
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:58,350
We at least ensure that A, the funds are used for a public benefit,

1784
02:18:59,070 --> 02:19:01,750
which is again consistent with the constitution of the California

1785
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:03,410
in public funds.

1786
02:19:03,410 --> 02:19:04,510
Second,

1787
02:19:06,610 --> 02:19:10,490
that the funds we use for public purpose and public benefit, again, that goes

1788
02:19:12,190 --> 02:19:19,210
to the establishment clause of ensuring that there is a separation.

1789
02:19:20,030 --> 02:19:24,090
I agree with you, it's not specifically in the Constitution, but it is a constitutional

1790
02:19:24,090 --> 02:19:35,850
principle that public agencies in giving money have to be clear on the separation I mean this

1791
02:19:35,850 --> 02:19:42,690
this Mr. Garra. Do you receive funds from the city when you attend our meetings?

1792
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:51,210
Yes. When we begin and we participate in an invocation are you receiving government funds?

1793
02:19:51,210 --> 02:19:58,650
Yes. Thank you. But again, that goes to my point. Council Member Sabino is the primary purpose

1794
02:19:58,650 --> 02:20:03,750
of the government and our city council meetings is a public benefit, public purpose of governing

1795
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:11,330
the city. The fact that there is an incidental prayer at the beginning of this meeting would be

1796
02:20:11,330 --> 02:20:20,930
exactly consistent with what I'm proposing. We are allowed to provide the benefits so long as there's

1797
02:20:20,930 --> 02:20:22,750
community meetings are community governance.

1798
02:20:23,550 --> 02:20:26,150
The event must be open and available to the public to participate

1799
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:27,490
with our membership or fee.

1800
02:20:28,130 --> 02:20:30,490
This is a public meeting, a Brown Act meeting.

1801
02:20:30,970 --> 02:20:32,710
It's open to the public for anybody to participate.

1802
02:20:32,950 --> 02:20:34,130
We do not decline.

1803
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:37,490
And third, that we don't require anybody to listen

1804
02:20:37,490 --> 02:20:38,150
to what we're saying.

1805
02:20:38,910 --> 02:20:41,910
We're not requiring anybody, but we can say it.

1806
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:44,910
And like the prayer, it is there.

1807
02:20:45,150 --> 02:20:50,010
And I say on my screen that it does allow for incidental religious elements.

1808
02:20:50,010 --> 02:20:53,030
So, everything you're proposing, I don't disagree with.

1809
02:20:53,310 --> 02:20:54,530
I'm actually consistent with that.

1810
02:20:55,330 --> 02:20:59,050
I don't know if any church that is close to the public,

1811
02:20:59,610 --> 02:21:01,430
or that forces anyone to stay,

1812
02:21:01,730 --> 02:21:03,210
because you're stating that,

1813
02:21:03,210 --> 02:21:08,090
nobody's required to stay here and listen to any of this,

1814
02:21:08,310 --> 02:21:13,110
but you're implying that in a religious space

1815
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:16,510
that people are forced to stay there and hear their messaging.

1816
02:21:16,510 --> 02:21:28,690
And so again, I can't, I don't agree with what's been presented here today, nor will I vote in favor of it.

1817
02:21:28,750 --> 02:21:29,650
Thank you.

1818
02:21:30,270 --> 02:21:31,630
I will, no, last point.

1819
02:21:31,710 --> 02:21:35,090
Again, I'm quoting from the court.

1820
02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:44,110
And so to my or, Justice said, the Supreme Court has shifted from a rule that permits state to decline

1821
02:21:44,110 --> 02:21:51,950
fund to fund religious organizations to one that requires states in many circumstances to subsidize

1822
02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:54,050
religious indoctrination with taxpayer dollars.

1823
02:21:54,290 --> 02:22:00,190
So it's clear that at least from Justice Sotomayor's standpoint, that there is a change.

1824
02:22:00,370 --> 02:22:06,610
There is a different and under the prior rule, there cities and states were not required

1825
02:22:06,610 --> 02:22:11,610
to provide funding just because of violation of the establishment clause of maintaining the

1826
02:22:11,610 --> 02:22:16,730
of church and state. That was the intent. But it appears maybe the court is changing direction,

1827
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:23,750
and this proposal is intended to at least capture. That we're again, we're not saying you

1828
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:31,770
can't do religion. We're not telling the police as you cannot. We're saying the bulk of the event,

1829
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:39,770
the public event has to be a public purpose. Everything I'm providing I believe is consistent with exactly what you're proposing.

1830
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:42,430
Councillor Allen?

1831
02:22:44,850 --> 02:22:45,800
I have a question.

1832
02:22:51,590 --> 02:23:00,770
Please tell me or tell us what your other contract city, namely Irwin Dale, has done and why

1833
02:23:00,770 --> 02:23:02,070
about this situation.

1834
02:23:02,190 --> 02:23:04,190
I believe you touched on it in the last meeting.

1835
02:23:06,130 --> 02:23:09,390
Well, they actually have a similar policy.

1836
02:23:09,790 --> 02:23:11,430
Let me see if I could find it really quick.

1837
02:23:11,430 --> 02:23:15,610
And I'll point out two things, hold on a second.

1838
02:23:19,170 --> 02:23:22,990
So their policy, I can find it really quick.

1839
02:23:25,660 --> 02:23:30,280
It says, the city will not approve any requested donation

1840
02:23:30,860 --> 02:23:33,500
that otherwise meets the criteria allowing

1841
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:37,080
for a basically a community benefit.

1842
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:40,740
If the donation will cause the city to violate the establishment

1843
02:23:40,740 --> 02:23:42,740
clause of the United States Constitution,

1844
02:23:43,860 --> 02:24:01,740
Generally, a donation to a religious organization violates the establishment clause unless it primarily serves a secular purpose, neither advances or inhibits any religion, and avoids excessive entanglement by the city in any religion or religious purpose.

1845
02:24:01,740 --> 02:24:25,800
So that's their policy and I decided not to go into as detail as their policy precisely for the reasons that Council members of Bino has raised is again trying to balance between the establishment clause and the free exercise clause and I believe that the three conditions would accomplish that.

1846
02:24:28,060 --> 02:24:38,600
So Irwin Dale did this and why did they do this and what did they do then to alleviate the situation?

1847
02:24:39,060 --> 02:24:44,700
So Irwin Dale has done and what many other organizations cities have done is it's either one of two things.

1848
02:24:44,860 --> 02:24:54,780
Number one is they encourage the religious entities to establish a nonprofit themselves that is not necessarily religious affiliated just to avoid

1849
02:24:54,780 --> 02:24:57,480
the establishment clause issue. That's one option.

1850
02:24:58,140 --> 02:25:04,720
A second option was Erwin Delcreated its own community benefits organization.

1851
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,240
It's a separate entity.

1852
02:25:07,740 --> 02:25:09,600
That is a non-profit.

1853
02:25:10,020 --> 02:25:17,040
I believe one of our council members serves on the board of that, but it's also a board comprised of many other

1854
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:20,760
businesses represented with businesses in the community and residents.

1855
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:27,520
And so they use that as an GTT kind of fundraise, do community events, things of that sort.

1856
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:28,900
Great.

1857
02:25:29,180 --> 02:25:29,980
Thanks for that.

1858
02:25:32,180 --> 02:25:38,940
Now, council members, Sabino, you mentioned several organizations, you know, religious organizations

1859
02:25:38,940 --> 02:25:41,720
that help with social services.

1860
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:48,220
And I'm familiar with them because I serve on the San Bernardino County homeless partnership,

1861
02:25:48,220 --> 02:25:53,900
which is the part of the continuum of care for the Interagency Council on Homelessness.

1862
02:25:54,460 --> 02:26:02,000
And we allocate or direct funding for a wide variety of organizations to serve the homeless

1863
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:06,960
population and many of those are churches and religious organizations and much, much, much

1864
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:08,580
of that money is federal dollars.

1865
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:15,320
But the point I'm making is that they're funded by indirect federal dollars, not direct

1866
02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:16,100
federal dollars.

1867
02:26:16,100 --> 02:26:20,580
And I think that's the difference in what the Supreme Court case is pointed out.

1868
02:26:21,260 --> 02:26:25,340
And they're sort of, my understanding is that they're saying,

1869
02:26:25,460 --> 02:26:32,240
they're still saying direct funding is still not looked favorably on,

1870
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:37,460
and that's why the indirect funding route like through organizations such as the ICH

1871
02:26:37,460 --> 02:26:45,400
or through voucher programs or foundations are these indirect funding routes for

1872
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:52,840
government dollars, public funds that can be used by private organizations, even religious organizations, without

1873
02:26:54,300 --> 02:26:58,000
you know, all the hang-ups of the establishment clause.

1874
02:26:59,260 --> 02:27:03,720
And this is the direction that I was trying to take us forward because we have a foundation here,

1875
02:27:03,740 --> 02:27:05,040
and we can use it in this city.

1876
02:27:05,140 --> 02:27:09,640
We have our own, and we can use it for that purpose and alleviate this entire problem.

1877
02:27:09,860 --> 02:27:13,860
Can you name the foundation that you're asking to redirect taxpayer dollars, too?

1878
02:27:13,860 --> 02:27:23,800
We have a, we have, there's a, well, we have one in here called the foundation of Grant Terrace, and if that's not adequate, there's the in an empire community foundation, and then if that's not adequate, like the door window did create your own.

1879
02:27:24,180 --> 02:27:29,060
And so you're asking that taxpayer money goes to an outside source.

1880
02:27:29,620 --> 02:27:33,840
Well, that's what it's doing anyway, it's going taxpayer money always goes to some source.

1881
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:43,740
No, you're stating that you want the decision to be made outside of this governing body with what is done with taxpayer funds.

1882
02:27:43,960 --> 02:27:45,020
Is that an accurate statement?

1883
02:27:47,300 --> 02:27:47,760
That's correct.

1884
02:27:47,960 --> 02:27:54,640
I think we should fund the some foundations, some entities, some organization we can fund.

1885
02:27:54,940 --> 02:27:59,000
And that organization would be responsible for.

1886
02:27:59,700 --> 02:28:02,760
You've answered my question of where you want the taxpayer college to go.

1887
02:28:02,940 --> 02:28:03,800
Thank you.

1888
02:28:05,110 --> 02:28:08,030
And the great thing about a foundation is

1889
02:28:08,030 --> 02:28:13,910
that they can fund secular and non-secular with no problems.

1890
02:28:15,640 --> 02:28:16,020
Okay.

1891
02:28:17,620 --> 02:28:18,360
Councillor Anderson?

1892
02:28:23,410 --> 02:28:26,830
It seems to me the obvious answer is just to include

1893
02:28:26,830 --> 02:28:34,410
a no-presentizing provision in our agreements rather than try to

1894
02:28:36,330 --> 02:28:37,810
do what's being contemplated.

1895
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:48,050
During the course of my career, I worked for five cities, including grandchairs.

1896
02:28:50,990 --> 02:28:57,850
We all had accept for grandchairs had an anti-prosetizing provision, because making a judgment

1897
02:28:57,850 --> 02:29:04,330
call on primarily a secular purpose who's going to do it, and who's not going to do it,

1898
02:29:04,770 --> 02:29:05,430
was problematic.

1899
02:29:05,430 --> 02:29:15,250
So we required all of our grant recipients and subrecipients to include the anti-prosetizing,

1900
02:29:16,410 --> 02:29:26,360
to certify and assure that religion wouldn't be a part of their service program to their participants.

1901
02:29:29,780 --> 02:29:34,460
I also am a graduate of Loma Linda University.

1902
02:29:34,460 --> 02:29:45,440
And I'm also served in the grant acquisition role for many years for both my church and some classes.

1903
02:29:48,110 --> 02:29:55,410
In each case, we're federal or public monies, we're acquired, successfully acquired,

1904
02:29:56,920 --> 02:29:59,700
We signed the Anti-Prositizing Prevision.

1905
02:30:00,530 --> 02:30:24,170
Even though the University was established by the Church and had a greater purpose in a greater missionary goal, that with part and parcel of our operation, I'll also say that, while I respect Sotomayor's opinion, it's a descending opinion, that carries no weight as far as the law of the land.

1906
02:30:25,950 --> 02:30:29,850
She may be right in her assessment, that the church is, I mean,

1907
02:30:29,930 --> 02:30:33,570
sees me at the court as turning, but it's speculation at this point.

1908
02:30:34,270 --> 02:30:38,890
So I'm not comfortable necessarily with sort of my yours,

1909
02:30:39,510 --> 02:30:46,420
the sending opinion being included in your analysis in this particular issue.

1910
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:52,420
It just seems to me, as I stated at the outset, an anti-prosetizing provision

1911
02:30:52,420 --> 02:31:00,840
with solve this problem, and if the applicant is okay with that, they'll sign it.

1912
02:31:01,300 --> 02:31:07,060
If the applicant is not okay with it, then you have reason to question the primary

1913
02:31:07,060 --> 02:31:13,280
secular purpose, which is the underpinning of your analysis, and I have great difficulty

1914
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:19,770
believing that it adherence to that provision, however it's structured,

1915
02:31:22,410 --> 02:31:23,110
what accomplishes

1916
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:23,490
purpose.

1917
02:31:24,130 --> 02:31:24,910
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1918
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:27,780
I hope right time you have anything?

1919
02:31:29,980 --> 02:31:30,340
I do.

1920
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:32,440
Maybe I'm cutting to the chase here.

1921
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:33,320
Go ahead.

1922
02:31:33,480 --> 02:31:34,080
Cut to the chase.

1923
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:44,620
It just seems like we put an awful lot of effort in this country to us, in protecting bad behavior.

1924
02:31:46,780 --> 02:31:49,840
and prohibiting good influx.

1925
02:31:51,020 --> 02:31:54,780
Isn't it kind of backwards upside down?

1926
02:31:57,260 --> 02:32:00,380
Where kids supposed to find positive influx?

1927
02:32:01,180 --> 02:32:04,580
I know the original founding fathers had an intention

1928
02:32:04,580 --> 02:32:07,100
and that was, they got away from England

1929
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:10,120
because it was a church of Anglican thing

1930
02:32:10,120 --> 02:32:12,800
that was became the state church.

1931
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:16,220
And it was supported by government funds.

1932
02:32:17,260 --> 02:32:18,560
It was pure and simple.

1933
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:21,560
You either, you didn't do any choice.

1934
02:32:22,100 --> 02:32:23,980
Taxation without representation, basically.

1935
02:32:24,580 --> 02:32:26,380
If you're of a different religion.

1936
02:32:27,980 --> 02:32:29,800
So I guess it's a question of support,

1937
02:32:30,460 --> 02:32:32,850
which is what was happening back then,

1938
02:32:33,820 --> 02:32:36,280
versus a partnership in good influence.

1939
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:38,320
And I believe in that.

1940
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:47,620
And I don't think we should limit the concept of proselytizing because just simply because

1941
02:32:47,620 --> 02:32:54,140
people have their own minds and they do have the eye can be standing out on a sidewalk somewhere

1942
02:32:54,720 --> 02:32:59,640
and somebody can come up to me and say, hey, if you heard the good word or whatever, and

1943
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:04,640
I always have that opportunity to make a choice, and I don't think kids are over the age

1944
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:12,540
accountability are stupid in that area. It's just that it seems to me that if we

1945
02:33:12,540 --> 02:33:17,840
err on anything we should be erying on the side of good. So I don't see any

1946
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:23,980
point in limiting that. Let them come after us. There's a lot more of us good

1947
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:32,700
intenders than there are the bad ones, I think. So that's just my thought. Thank you.

1948
02:33:33,380 --> 02:33:40,560
I know we've got, we have public comments, a couple, all right, before we, I'll, I'll say my

1949
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,980
piece out to the public comment. Give me any other questions for the city attorney.

1950
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:47,500
Okay, go ahead and public comment.

1951
02:33:47,940 --> 02:33:48,660
Chris, the ball.

1952
02:33:56,500 --> 02:34:01,660
Hi, I'm Chris the ball. Good evening. Mayor, City Council. This has been a long

1953
02:34:01,660 --> 02:34:06,100
meeting. I think what I'll do is just bring my question directly to Mr. Wallowitch. Next week,

1954
02:34:06,200 --> 02:34:07,340
maybe I can get on your calendar.

1955
02:34:10,120 --> 02:34:24,620
It is regarding the community benefit fund, yes, I just need some clarification because I do seek out the community benefits fund for senior legacy in which we are a separate class, we do fall into the foundation.

1956
02:34:25,460 --> 02:34:31,680
it's not for it's not open to the public it is for a group of seniors. We have I think

1957
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:40,120
we've given community benefits fund to baseball teams to cheerleader teams so I think

1958
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:46,460
it's still anyways I had more specific questions that I'd like clarification on but I

1959
02:34:46,460 --> 02:34:50,920
won't waste any more time this evening I'll just see you directly. You know where my door is.

1960
02:34:50,920 --> 02:34:52,680
Thank you.

1961
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:53,900
Thank you.

1962
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:55,680
Anna Summers.

1963
02:35:00,820 --> 02:35:01,120
Hello.

1964
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:02,840
I am a new resident.

1965
02:35:03,140 --> 02:35:07,080
I just moved here last October, so Anna of this month will be a full year.

1966
02:35:07,500 --> 02:35:10,380
I am so proud to be a resident here in Grand Terrace.

1967
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:13,080
July 9th was my first city council meeting.

1968
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:15,920
When I walked in, I was concerned of the appearance,

1969
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:18,220
not going to lie, I felt like it was really outdated.

1970
02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:22,780
But in the meeting, I saw how much was given back to the community.

1971
02:35:22,780 --> 02:35:25,900
Granting Boy Scouts, a woman's club, high school,

1972
02:35:25,900 --> 02:35:29,860
a grand terrace organization upon their request.

1973
02:35:30,060 --> 02:35:33,960
I was so blessed to see that there was in God we trust

1974
02:35:33,960 --> 02:35:36,080
was stated boldly over our leaders.

1975
02:35:36,580 --> 02:35:39,180
I went home to my husband and he asked me how is the meeting.

1976
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:42,940
I told him would joy, it was fun and awesome,

1977
02:35:43,220 --> 02:35:45,960
and he said nobody ever says that about city council meetings.

1978
02:35:46,700 --> 02:35:51,260
He started laughing, so I assure him that God had blessed us

1979
02:35:51,260 --> 02:35:54,400
house in a city where people comes first.

1980
02:35:54,700 --> 02:35:56,500
Not the material things of the world,

1981
02:35:56,760 --> 02:35:59,180
and it brought me so much to it to see that elected leaders

1982
02:35:59,180 --> 02:36:02,500
were so genuine to meet their constituents' needs.

1983
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:06,120
I am here today because I was reading through the agenda item,

1984
02:36:06,320 --> 02:36:08,940
and I was shocked to see under the unfinished business

1985
02:36:08,940 --> 02:36:09,980
on item 13.

1986
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:13,020
And the wording here was concerning

1987
02:36:13,020 --> 02:36:16,300
when it's said primarily serving only secular purpose.

1988
02:36:16,300 --> 02:36:22,020
everything you we all do in life is guided by morality that

1989
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:26,280
pricks our conscience that's given by a higher power even if you don't believe in

1990
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:33,560
the Almighty God Elohim. This recommended add on application amendment feels like a

1991
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:39,300
discrimination those that are Christian of all denomination. I look up

1992
02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:44,140
under city to see how many church there is. It's about 10 that I could see on the map

1993
02:36:44,140 --> 02:36:45,780
that is grand terrace alone.

1994
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:49,840
One of the very first event that my husband and I got to attend

1995
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:53,180
in a beautiful city was the light of grand terrace holiday

1996
02:36:53,180 --> 02:36:56,860
tree lighting ceremony at a zir hill church.

1997
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:00,180
My husband and I love seeing the community come together

1998
02:37:00,180 --> 02:37:02,700
as though we were a small town in the middle of America,

1999
02:37:03,580 --> 02:37:04,760
yet we get so Cal weather.

2000
02:37:05,440 --> 02:37:07,660
To celebrate Christmas, you can't spell Christmas

2001
02:37:07,660 --> 02:37:08,540
without Christ.

2002
02:37:09,640 --> 02:37:12,260
I believe this is going to be the 10th year anniversary

2003
02:37:12,260 --> 02:37:17,740
of hosting and this awesome event on a church property, but to amend something like this specifically

2004
02:37:17,740 --> 02:37:24,620
excluding this kind of community gives, that gives back so much, seems like a disloyal service.

2005
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:31,500
If our city were willing to fund non-secular clubs on Grand Terrace High School, I asked what would

2006
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:37,360
you do for the Christian club on Grand Terrace High School? They came for funds. With about 10 churches

2007
02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:42,200
in our city of population, just under 13,000 residents, how many residents do you think the

2008
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:45,380
amendment would discriminate going against the individual first amendment?

2009
02:37:46,320 --> 02:37:51,860
Separation of church is not constitutional, it's principle, is to keep the government from

2010
02:37:51,860 --> 02:37:53,140
infringing our first amendment.

2011
02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:59,560
As a new proud citizen, I hope our city council member would really consider and understand

2012
02:37:59,560 --> 02:38:03,240
that you represent everybody, even though you may disagree on our religion.

2013
02:38:03,780 --> 02:38:04,320
Thank you.

2014
02:38:04,320 --> 02:38:05,540
Thank you, ma'am.

2015
02:38:10,860 --> 02:38:11,120
Please keep.

2016
02:38:12,380 --> 02:38:17,140
I know we want to motivate the senator, but please no clapping or booing.

2017
02:38:17,360 --> 02:38:18,300
It's the same thing, so.

2018
02:38:19,340 --> 02:38:19,740
All right.

2019
02:38:20,500 --> 02:38:20,740
Next.

2020
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:22,300
Jason Olvera.

2021
02:38:31,770 --> 02:38:33,070
Ladies and gentlemen, the city council.

2022
02:38:33,230 --> 02:38:34,350
My name is Jason Olvera.

2023
02:38:34,810 --> 02:38:36,230
And I'm one of the pastors in the minister.

2024
02:38:36,390 --> 02:38:39,030
I live in an empire here in the beautiful city of Grand Terres.

2025
02:38:39,630 --> 02:38:40,150
I'm here today.

2026
02:38:40,270 --> 02:38:43,130
On behalf of our church and our senior pastors, Edgy and Selenegas.

2027
02:38:43,730 --> 02:38:47,990
We would like to first off by thanking you for allowing us the opportunity to speak today.

2028
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:53,350
We stand before you to express our deep concern for it on this proposal, excuse me that

2029
02:38:53,350 --> 02:38:59,450
seeks to prohibit the seeks to prohibit churches and religious organizations from accessing

2030
02:38:59,990 --> 02:39:04,950
funding and grants. This proposal not only raises questions about fairness and equity,

2031
02:39:05,390 --> 02:39:11,390
but also threatens the vital role that these institutions playing our community.

2032
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:17,470
For many years, our church and many others have been at the very forefront of community service

2033
02:39:17,470 --> 02:39:20,070
providing essential support to those in need.

2034
02:39:20,590 --> 02:39:22,870
They offer food baits shelter for the homeless,

2035
02:39:23,290 --> 02:39:24,750
counseling for families and crisis,

2036
02:39:25,050 --> 02:39:28,270
countless programs that are a lifting and powering

2037
02:39:28,270 --> 02:39:28,870
our citizens.

2038
02:39:29,810 --> 02:39:32,850
These organizations are not merely places of worship,

2039
02:39:33,250 --> 02:39:34,810
but they are pillars of hope

2040
02:39:34,810 --> 02:39:37,710
and support many individuals and families in our city.

2041
02:39:38,250 --> 02:39:41,330
We're actually having an event this October

2042
02:39:41,330 --> 02:39:44,350
to reach the community with the gospel.

2043
02:39:45,430 --> 02:39:51,370
But excluding churches from funding opportunities sends a message that their contribution to the

2044
02:39:51,370 --> 02:39:54,090
community is undervalued.

2045
02:39:54,410 --> 02:39:59,790
It is essential to recognize that when churches are restricted from accessing financial resources

2046
02:39:59,790 --> 02:40:05,670
from its very own city and community, it brings greater division between local city government

2047
02:40:05,670 --> 02:40:07,050
and the local church.

2048
02:40:07,570 --> 02:40:12,210
It's not just the organization that suffers, it's the community as a whole that suffers.

2049
02:40:12,210 --> 02:40:19,410
The lack of support in funding would directly hinder their ability to reach out and serve and make a difference in the lives of people.

2050
02:40:20,050 --> 02:40:25,090
In terms of prices, whether it be natural disasters or a hardship economy hardship,

2051
02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:28,650
it's often the church is stepping to provide assistance and comfort.

2052
02:40:29,610 --> 02:40:31,810
They are the first responders in many situations.

2053
02:40:32,950 --> 02:40:37,610
They offer, they offer not only material support but also emotional support in guidance.

2054
02:40:37,610 --> 02:40:43,790
removing access to funding will limit our reach and and stop us from reaching the community.

2055
02:40:44,490 --> 02:40:53,390
We urge you to reconsider this proposal and recognize the fundamental role that the churches and other religious organizations play in our community.

2056
02:40:53,870 --> 02:41:02,890
Let us work together to assure that every organization is dedicated to serving our citizens, has the opportunity to thrive and to contribute.

2057
02:41:02,890 --> 02:41:10,430
It's not just about funding, but it's about fostering community where all voices are heard and could children and value.

2058
02:41:11,050 --> 02:41:17,130
Jesus is, and always will benefit the community, I truly believe that.

2059
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:22,410
I wouldn't define the gospel as indoctrination, but I would define it as its hope.

2060
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:31,110
If you look up here, all these people that are here with me today, they were reached through community outreach and their lives are changed today.

2061
02:41:31,110 --> 02:41:33,690
So, please reconsider.

2062
02:41:34,250 --> 02:41:35,210
Thank you.

2063
02:41:35,290 --> 02:41:36,190
Thank you, sir.

2064
02:41:36,950 --> 02:41:37,970
Any other public comment?

2065
02:41:38,090 --> 02:41:38,610
No, sir.

2066
02:41:39,790 --> 02:41:41,890
Okay, I'm going to bring it back for a deliberation.

2067
02:41:42,510 --> 02:41:47,390
First of all, thank you, City Attorney, for the work that you were requested to do.

2068
02:41:48,750 --> 02:41:54,010
But, as I'm thinking today, what have we just passed?

2069
02:41:54,010 --> 02:41:57,250
So it just passed three ordinances for homelessness,

2070
02:42:00,250 --> 02:42:04,770
one of them, and the other two, camping, all right?

2071
02:42:05,590 --> 02:42:10,110
I think those people were involved with the community,

2072
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:12,390
a church group, a youth group,

2073
02:42:12,730 --> 02:42:15,170
maybe we wouldn't have to be passing these ordinances.

2074
02:42:15,430 --> 02:42:17,630
Maybe they would have their life straightened out,

2075
02:42:17,870 --> 02:42:19,010
and that's what Jesus.

2076
02:42:19,590 --> 02:42:35,410
So, as the pastor said during times of emergencies, yeah, I've just got through coming home from South Carolina from our hurricane, four days, no power, a two-year-old and a one-year-old,

2077
02:42:35,730 --> 02:42:40,690
worrying about having food for them, but you know, whether the community do, they got together.

2078
02:42:41,170 --> 02:42:46,250
Who else in the community brought everything together was the churches, the foundations.

2079
02:42:47,350 --> 02:42:52,990
not only bring in food and water, but bring in hope and faith in our Lord.

2080
02:42:54,050 --> 02:42:58,550
And when you have that hope and faith, you can walk to the valley of the shadow of death

2081
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:59,190
a lot easier.

2082
02:42:59,910 --> 02:43:03,010
You could do that without being scared.

2083
02:43:04,730 --> 02:43:11,490
Now, as Counselor Semino said, in God we trust, yes, and God we trust.

2084
02:43:11,610 --> 02:43:13,550
There's people out there that want to take that off.

2085
02:43:13,550 --> 02:43:16,370
There's people that want to take off the money.

2086
02:43:17,570 --> 02:43:21,410
Accounts of member Henderson said, you know, the organizations it is built.

2087
02:43:22,430 --> 02:43:25,390
You know, this country was built on a religious freedom.

2088
02:43:26,210 --> 02:43:28,550
You guys could take it away, they could take away no matter what,

2089
02:43:29,430 --> 02:43:30,730
but you know what?

2090
02:43:31,070 --> 02:43:33,290
What do we have for that?

2091
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:35,990
This youth group, I'm looking at their application,

2092
02:43:36,610 --> 02:43:39,270
and the only thing that was brought to my attention is says,

2093
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:41,690
where this is going to be held at.

2094
02:43:41,690 --> 02:43:45,770
You know, the name of the organization who's going to do it, and also that puts a red flag,

2095
02:43:46,490 --> 02:43:52,430
that's discrimination in my point, because we have youth retreat and we're going to be

2096
02:43:52,430 --> 02:43:58,010
it says it's a three-day event that the youth will be out in the foundation and have activities

2097
02:43:58,010 --> 02:43:59,230
and have fun.

2098
02:44:00,250 --> 02:44:01,370
Why do they need this money?

2099
02:44:01,910 --> 02:44:06,950
Because a lot of the youth can't afford it, and you want to have them attend and have fun.

2100
02:44:07,350 --> 02:44:10,210
Now what is it that youth can't go to that?

2101
02:44:10,650 --> 02:44:13,670
You're just going to put up a tent now and then violate the city ordinance.

2102
02:44:14,530 --> 02:44:16,570
He's going to, you know, be the un-house.

2103
02:44:17,090 --> 02:44:19,450
He's going to, you know, do all this other stuff that we just passed.

2104
02:44:19,490 --> 02:44:22,390
We just spent good money for the lawyers to do, right?

2105
02:44:22,890 --> 02:44:24,550
Because we have to do by the book.

2106
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:26,870
We have to do what the state says.

2107
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:34,870
Well, you know, like the Supreme Court, she's saying one opinion, and that's the whole thing.

2108
02:44:34,990 --> 02:44:36,130
It's opinions, that's your opinions.

2109
02:44:37,530 --> 02:44:45,510
This community benefit fund was established and put together pushed forward by Councilwoman

2110
02:44:45,510 --> 02:44:46,130
Robles.

2111
02:44:47,530 --> 02:44:55,850
The reason why, because other entities were getting our funds and not being equal with our funds,

2112
02:44:56,930 --> 02:44:59,070
being a good old boy thing with our funds.

2113
02:44:59,070 --> 02:44:59,970
discriminatory

2114
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,400
Against our funds. The foundations, not saying the foundations, but just saying all those entities were

2115
02:45:08,400 --> 02:45:14,220
picking and choosing were the money once ago, for their own cause. So it was brought to the council,

2116
02:45:14,940 --> 02:45:23,260
your government body that you voted for, to be equal, to treat everybody equal, to establish funds,

2117
02:45:23,740 --> 02:45:29,020
what little we can do and what we can give. And that's what it's put in our lap. We don't need

2118
02:45:29,020 --> 02:45:35,580
past the buck we need to make the decision and that's what we're here for. So when we keep

2119
02:45:35,580 --> 02:45:43,500
going on this and keep going on this and you know just I read the paper I was gone and I saw

2120
02:45:43,500 --> 02:45:51,820
Councillor Allen's thing about the money he gathered for the women's club, the Lions Club

2121
02:45:52,620 --> 02:46:00,840
and the foundation, the money for stuff to bleed, the schools, he did that on his own.

2122
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:07,060
Personally, that should have been a team effort. We're a body. As somebody comes up to you and say,

2123
02:46:07,260 --> 02:46:12,940
hey, I got this, I want to do that. Introducing me, the correct way was, we are a body, you do that.

2124
02:46:13,180 --> 02:46:19,740
So this body right here, both somewhere these funds go. Now it could be three to two, two to two like it was last time.

2125
02:46:19,740 --> 02:46:20,900
that's what we're coming back.

2126
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:26,940
I think, and I'm going to make this motion

2127
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:30,060
that we just dumped this, drop it.

2128
02:46:30,400 --> 02:46:31,900
We stay with our original thing.

2129
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:34,980
We have confidence stat that could go through everything

2130
02:46:34,980 --> 02:46:35,700
the paperwork.

2131
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:40,720
This city is found at by, you know, it's conservative.

2132
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:43,860
It's found by the close business, it's found by the volunteers.

2133
02:46:44,320 --> 02:46:48,180
It's found by our churches here that we have good working

2134
02:46:48,180 --> 02:47:00,660
relationships with Pastor Edgy's church, brought back to the Easter egg height. It was gone

2135
02:47:00,660 --> 02:47:04,880
for a long time and brought it back. I never seen so many people at Richard Rollins Park

2136
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:10,520
and they weren't, people ask them about God but they weren't preaching it. It was the whole

2137
02:47:10,520 --> 02:47:17,460
community was out there and what did they say? They felt love. They felt that love. And that's

2138
02:47:17,460 --> 02:47:23,460
this is. So my recommendation, and if I could get a second, that we just...

2139
02:47:23,460 --> 02:47:23,860
Second.

2140
02:47:24,580 --> 02:47:28,640
Drop this, where the motion is second. Do you have any other comments?

2141
02:47:29,400 --> 02:47:33,740
Yeah, what do you mean by we just drop? I mean, you want to table the issue?

2142
02:47:34,120 --> 02:47:35,800
I just want to get rid of it. We keep our...

2143
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:41,440
What does that mean? We keep it the way it is application. No amendments. No extra clauses.

2144
02:47:42,220 --> 02:48:09,580
So, right now there's a no-prosalatizing in it, and I gotta tell you, I know Councilman Henderson, you and I are pretty close to them, but I gotta disagree that I think it's highly, I think it's just really, really unfair to ask someone who's dedicated to preaching the gospel to tell them, no you can't do that.

2145
02:48:09,580 --> 02:48:20,080
I mean, and to say, now you have to sign a statement saying you won't do it, are we forcing them to not do their chosen mission or we forcing them to tell us that falsehood?

2146
02:48:20,760 --> 02:48:26,720
And is it even right for us? It's as wrong for us, making them do that as it is for them to have to do it. I believe.

2147
02:48:28,140 --> 02:48:34,580
So, I don't, that's why I think the solution is an indirect funding source, the way that,

2148
02:48:34,580 --> 02:48:36,720
San Bernardino County uses it.

2149
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:41,500
San Bernardino City with the ICH and the San Bernardino County homeless partnership.

2150
02:48:41,780 --> 02:48:45,780
I was in other entities like that.

2151
02:48:46,200 --> 02:48:50,060
And nobody up here behind this diast, especially me,

2152
02:48:50,520 --> 02:48:53,980
wants any of your activities to be hindered in any way.

2153
02:48:56,060 --> 02:49:00,800
Every church in the city should have access to any of the funds that are available

2154
02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:07,020
through the community development block grants or whatever source of funding there is.

2155
02:49:12,760 --> 02:49:19,600
The indirect funding source, I believe, is the solution to the problem because we can fund a third

2156
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:27,580
entity with CDB funds and then that entity and if it's an entity that is not being managed

2157
02:49:27,580 --> 02:49:33,640
effectively, then there's a solution to that problem too.

2158
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:41,560
But, Jeff, you've already moved $30,000 worth of money, $10,000 each to three different organizations,

2159
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:45,720
which didn't equally go to organizations within this community.

2160
02:49:46,360 --> 02:49:52,580
And so, to make the recommendation that we, I did not, I didn't stop talking, I didn't stop talking.

2161
02:49:52,820 --> 02:49:54,640
Do you want to rush into the floor, UK?

2162
02:49:55,860 --> 02:49:57,360
I did just done that.

2163
02:49:57,560 --> 02:49:59,180
That money was given by another county.

2164
02:49:59,360 --> 02:50:01,120
Wait until she's done what's her statement?

2165
02:50:02,540 --> 02:50:07,220
It's an inequity to move taxpayer funds to non-elected officials.

2166
02:50:08,660 --> 02:50:09,500
That's the inequity.

2167
02:50:09,800 --> 02:50:16,280
The inequity is asking people of faith to only engage in secular practices.

2168
02:50:18,320 --> 02:50:20,980
Isolating a group is discrimination.

2169
02:50:21,400 --> 02:50:23,780
It is segregation and I do not stand by it.

2170
02:50:24,180 --> 02:50:25,740
Well I agree that that's what I'm saying.

2171
02:50:25,940 --> 02:50:28,840
It's not fair to ask to tell them to in order to get our funding.

2172
02:50:28,840 --> 02:50:35,360
You have to agree to not preach the gospel of Jesus Christ or say prayers or any or or

2173
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:38,100
or prophesies or any of that. That's not fair.

2174
02:50:38,360 --> 02:50:38,920
Bross it to them.

2175
02:50:39,220 --> 02:50:46,160
It's what they have, and so that's why I, you know, I don't agree with that either what

2176
02:50:46,160 --> 02:50:50,980
you're saying, but and that's why I think the solution is an indirect funding source.

2177
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:56,860
Because I want them to be able to get the funding they deserve that they want.

2178
02:50:56,860 --> 02:51:03,380
They do great things for their, their congregants in the community, you know, as, as do the other churches.

2179
02:51:03,960 --> 02:51:11,160
But for example, we funded or we, we funded and I voted for $361 to the Catholic Church.

2180
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:13,180
I guess it was last year or the year before.

2181
02:51:13,300 --> 02:51:16,000
They had an event in their parking lot, big all day festival.

2182
02:51:17,060 --> 02:51:20,940
You know, for the whole city to come out, car show, music, and all that kind of stuff.

2183
02:51:20,940 --> 02:51:22,600
Similar to what you were describing, you know?

2184
02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:26,620
And that's the kind of things that the community benefits from.

2185
02:51:26,760 --> 02:51:32,360
There wasn't any concessions being held or anything going on up there in the parking lot of the church.

2186
02:51:33,260 --> 02:51:37,500
So those are the kind of things that, yeah, okay, that's secular, but, you know.

2187
02:51:38,780 --> 02:51:45,800
And it was obvious that they could freely sign and say we won't processize here because this is just a big festival.

2188
02:51:45,800 --> 02:51:47,880
So, you know, now,

2189
02:51:50,380 --> 02:51:54,380
having an indirect funding source would just solve all the problems.

2190
02:51:55,460 --> 02:51:56,200
That's what I believe.

2191
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:57,940
So, is that your second motion?

2192
02:51:59,400 --> 02:51:59,840
That's right.

2193
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:01,340
Oh, is it an alternate motion?

2194
02:52:07,980 --> 02:52:12,200
I actually would think that it deserves more of it.

2195
02:52:12,400 --> 02:52:13,340
I don't know if it even.

2196
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:21,540
If it might deserve more of a discussion, if we decide to change our policy and fund a indirect funding source

2197
02:52:21,540 --> 02:52:29,720
for all. I mean, unless you think that it's something that could, I mean, I want to know

2198
02:52:29,720 --> 02:52:35,620
what you want to do. You said that this is your recommendation and then, so if you're making

2199
02:52:35,620 --> 02:52:40,000
an recommendation like that, do you want to make a motion? Has an alternate motion? Or do you

2200
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:41,900
want to put it on a future agenda?

2201
02:52:45,790 --> 02:52:48,470
I don't know what the best course of action for us to

2202
02:52:48,470 --> 02:52:55,130
discuss it would be, but I would like for us to either have a discussion about using

2203
02:52:55,130 --> 02:53:03,110
So a future agenda and I guess having a future agenda item, yeah, because that way we have a discussion on

2204
02:53:04,510 --> 02:53:08,230
This may or may I be recognized? Yes, sir. Thank you sir.

2205
02:53:11,800 --> 02:53:16,520
Been a few words tossed around discrimination, segregation,

2206
02:53:18,840 --> 02:53:19,240
that

2207
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:22,750
a person

2208
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:27,880
who's African-American,

2209
02:53:29,080 --> 02:53:29,720
I

2210
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:34,190
think I know a little bit about it,

2211
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:46,440
and I would never be partying to an action that discriminates against anybody or individual

2212
02:53:48,970 --> 02:53:51,430
or for any reason or for any purpose.

2213
02:53:53,290 --> 02:53:59,270
My concerns about this topic have been raised ever since.

2214
02:53:59,270 --> 02:54:05,970
I became a member of the Grand Terror City Council and I put questions to the city attorney

2215
02:54:05,970 --> 02:54:13,820
and to the city manager regarding using public funds to fund religious purposes.

2216
02:54:15,300 --> 02:54:15,820
And initially,

2217
02:54:19,080 --> 02:54:24,780
I was told that the agreement covered those areas to anti-prosetizing.

2218
02:54:27,210 --> 02:54:32,230
To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the current status of the exact length which

2219
02:54:32,230 --> 02:54:39,190
the agreement. But my objection, I just didn't say even objection, my position on this

2220
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:46,710
issue has nothing to do with the blessings that this community derives from its churches

2221
02:54:47,110 --> 02:54:57,630
and its people of faith has nothing to do with that. It is only a legal issue for me and

2222
02:54:57,630 --> 02:55:03,930
that we comply with the law as it relates to the use of public funds.

2223
02:55:04,190 --> 02:55:05,210
It's that simple.

2224
02:55:05,950 --> 02:55:08,590
I think the issue has been muddied up somewhat.

2225
02:55:10,090 --> 02:55:18,260
I'm not a party to someone saying, don't give these folks money because of the religion

2226
02:55:18,900 --> 02:55:23,200
that they attest to or the church that they belong to.

2227
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:28,480
I support what the applicant is doing,

2228
02:55:29,060 --> 02:55:33,040
wholeheartedly, just as I support the activities

2229
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:36,340
all the other community benefit beneficiaries.

2230
02:55:38,660 --> 02:55:41,560
But I can tell you from my experience,

2231
02:55:43,460 --> 02:55:47,840
37 years as a public employee in an additional 10 years

2232
02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:50,640
of doing committee commission and city council

2233
02:55:51,420 --> 02:55:52,100
activities,

2234
02:55:55,200 --> 02:56:00,620
four of the five cities that I worked at doing the course of my career had

2235
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:07,840
blanket provisions about anti-prosolatizing. Now, were those cities wrong and grand

2236
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:15,400
terraces correct? I personally don't think so, but I have no issues with the positions

2237
02:56:15,400 --> 02:56:22,220
taken by my colleagues. They're strongly held positions. They're people of faith. They

2238
02:56:22,220 --> 02:56:24,940
support the greater good for this community.

2239
02:56:26,580 --> 02:56:29,700
And I support that, the greatest amount of good,

2240
02:56:29,980 --> 02:56:32,540
the greatest amount of people in our community.

2241
02:56:34,900 --> 02:56:37,940
So don't twist it into something it's not.

2242
02:56:38,240 --> 02:56:41,280
Mr. Henderson does not appear to discriminate against the audience,

2243
02:56:41,420 --> 02:56:44,520
the people and the audience, or any other religious organization.

2244
02:56:46,140 --> 02:56:48,720
If we're being told that there's no issue,

2245
02:56:49,420 --> 02:56:53,100
that a primarily secular purpose is to answer to the question,

2246
02:56:55,500 --> 02:56:57,200
that maybe that's it.

2247
02:56:57,980 --> 02:57:04,040
I don't sense, but I could be wrong in the pastor can correct me,

2248
02:57:04,360 --> 02:57:11,760
that the primarily secular purpose is necessarily amenable to the organization.

2249
02:57:13,220 --> 02:57:16,080
And if it isn't, I can understand why.

2250
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:21,340
So, if your mission is to spread the word of God,

2251
02:57:25,900 --> 02:57:27,960
then accepting funds that might infringe

2252
02:57:27,960 --> 02:57:34,920
upon that is an important decision that you have to make, and an important impact on

2253
02:57:34,920 --> 02:57:35,600
the organization,

2254
02:57:38,310 --> 02:57:45,530
but just because someone aspires to do the right thing from a legal standpoint,

2255
02:57:45,530 --> 02:57:56,130
Don't make it into something that it's somehow discriminatory or that segregation is being

2256
02:57:56,130 --> 02:58:05,070
practiced or that other nefarious motives are being ascribed to the supporters of that

2257
02:58:05,070 --> 02:58:06,030
particular position.

2258
02:58:07,680 --> 02:58:09,420
If my colleagues decide

2259
02:58:12,680 --> 02:58:18,120
that there's support, majority support for this community benefit application,

2260
02:58:18,120 --> 02:58:20,660
I have no problem with that.

2261
02:58:21,440 --> 02:58:22,800
I have no problem with that.

2262
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:28,580
I'll vote my conscience, but at the same time, majority rules.

2263
02:58:29,460 --> 02:58:31,200
And I support majority rules.

2264
02:58:31,400 --> 02:58:35,460
And I'm not going to drag my heels and criticize my colleagues

2265
02:58:35,460 --> 02:58:39,760
if they vote counter to my position on this issue.

2266
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:41,520
So I just want to make that clear.

2267
02:58:43,240 --> 02:58:46,500
I support what the effort of the applicant

2268
02:58:47,400 --> 02:58:52,020
and the applicants that have come before this particular group.

2269
02:58:56,660 --> 02:58:59,160
So with that Mayor, I would call for the question.

2270
02:59:00,140 --> 02:59:00,900
Thank you.

2271
02:59:02,740 --> 02:59:08,860
Ms. Clayton, do we have any issues with the application

2272
02:59:08,860 --> 02:59:09,860
the way it is now?

2273
02:59:10,860 --> 02:59:14,200
To my knowledge, we don't have any issues with it.

2274
02:59:14,280 --> 02:59:17,380
We've been using it for as long as I've been here

2275
02:59:17,380 --> 02:59:20,380
and years prior and there hasn't been any issues

2276
02:59:20,380 --> 02:59:21,800
we've given to churches before.

2277
02:59:22,480 --> 02:59:25,780
So let's spend the perfect will rolling forward.

2278
02:59:25,800 --> 02:59:26,320
Correct.

2279
02:59:27,460 --> 02:59:30,740
So that's why my motion is just to keep it.

2280
02:59:31,380 --> 02:59:35,060
Remove this item and just keep the application the way it is.

2281
02:59:35,280 --> 02:59:39,380
And I had a second from Councilwoman Savito.

2282
02:59:40,340 --> 02:59:41,540
And so that was my alternative.

2283
02:59:42,140 --> 02:59:44,880
So do I have another motion for anything else?

2284
02:59:48,240 --> 02:59:48,860
Please vote.

2285
02:59:53,370 --> 02:59:57,990
Motion passes with council members to be know may your program will send may your

2286
02:59:57,990 --> 02:59:59,830
Hussey voting yes and

2287
03:00:00,180 --> 03:00:04,440
Council member Henderson, and Council member Allen Voting, no.

2288
03:00:05,480 --> 03:00:13,000
Okay, well, thank you. Thank you, City Attorney for all your work. We appreciate it. Item 14, new business.

2289
03:00:25,750 --> 03:00:34,210
Good evening, Mayor. Mayor Potem, council members, Christine Clayton, finance director. The City of Grant Harris received a community benefit application

2290
03:00:34,210 --> 03:00:39,550
from the church of fire and Christ requesting $2,000 for their youth retreat.

2291
03:00:39,550 --> 03:00:44,970
and the pastor, Johnny Senobal is here again to speak with you guys. Mr. Senobal.

2292
03:00:54,280 --> 03:01:00,000
Here we go again, huh? It's fun listening to you guys. Feel smarter.

2293
03:01:01,800 --> 03:01:05,500
It's, you guys bring a good, this is like a fun debate class instead of listening to it.

2294
03:01:05,520 --> 03:01:07,400
It's an old wise ways with our furniture.

2295
03:01:10,420 --> 03:01:12,760
It's like looking at you too well, over here.

2296
03:01:16,280 --> 03:01:25,220
So, you're seeing on here that your activities for September 6th and 8th and it's open for all the youth who want to come.

2297
03:01:25,560 --> 03:01:26,360
The more the mayor.

2298
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:35,300
And how late is that activity? What's the start time on this and how late are you guys going?

2299
03:01:36,220 --> 03:01:38,400
Well, we're going on, let's see.

2300
03:01:39,640 --> 03:01:40,960
Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

2301
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:45,700
So you're keeping youth off the street to do good things.

2302
03:01:46,940 --> 03:01:48,040
That's so purpose.

2303
03:01:48,520 --> 03:01:49,580
All right, sir.

2304
03:01:50,380 --> 03:01:50,900
There's a council.

2305
03:01:50,920 --> 03:01:52,620
Have any questions for the applicant?

2306
03:01:54,460 --> 03:01:55,020
Councillor Merrell.

2307
03:01:56,900 --> 03:01:59,240
I noticed this is great.

2308
03:01:59,500 --> 03:02:00,540
Lock Clevver's a beautiful place.

2309
03:02:00,680 --> 03:02:04,100
I mean, well, right now, it's not because it burned up in a line fire.

2310
03:02:04,420 --> 03:02:07,340
Well, I don't know if it directly did, but it was evacuated.

2311
03:02:11,470 --> 03:02:16,190
So, have you already taken the, is this for next year, set Timber?

2312
03:02:16,330 --> 03:02:17,210
Because it's October now.

2313
03:02:17,870 --> 03:02:19,150
Is this for next set Timber?

2314
03:02:19,690 --> 03:02:24,590
It's kind of we're trying to press it for either later on this month, starting in November.

2315
03:02:25,530 --> 03:02:26,670
Because they're still open.

2316
03:02:27,530 --> 03:02:34,330
We've been contact with them in case if it does shut down or if it did cause the fire and so on and so forth.

2317
03:02:34,790 --> 03:02:37,650
But they're still open and we're kind of like trying to,

2318
03:02:37,650 --> 03:02:42,370
We're rushed for funds basically, but it is for this year.

2319
03:02:42,810 --> 03:02:47,310
Okay, I just noticed the application has said in September, you know, it's October now.

2320
03:02:47,490 --> 03:02:53,810
I just wondered if it had already occurred if you already went and or if you were going planning to go in the future.

2321
03:02:54,690 --> 03:02:59,010
And so I know that line far got real close down there.

2322
03:02:59,010 --> 03:03:02,410
It didn't tone in over there in Mountain Home and they evacuated.

2323
03:03:03,590 --> 03:03:05,510
But we were there.

2324
03:03:06,910 --> 03:03:14,530
We went Friday, Saturday, and we were going to stay an extra day, but we had to leave early

2325
03:03:14,530 --> 03:03:17,550
because Smoke was coming over the mountain.

2326
03:03:19,030 --> 03:03:21,530
And Pop, what is that?

2327
03:03:22,050 --> 03:03:23,470
Breathing was a good fruit.

2328
03:03:23,870 --> 03:03:27,750
So instead of going through parents, the last thing we wanted, any complications through

2329
03:03:27,750 --> 03:03:33,290
that, so we just ate everybody packer stuff, and let's go.

2330
03:03:35,290 --> 03:03:39,350
So, okay, I would just wanted to get a clarification on those because I'd date and think so.

2331
03:03:39,670 --> 03:03:43,970
You're open to the, okay, yeah, I hope that the camp survived.

2332
03:03:45,830 --> 03:03:47,630
Any other questions for pastor?

2333
03:03:49,150 --> 03:03:49,850
Councilman Henderson?

2334
03:03:51,030 --> 03:03:52,430
I'm ready to make a motion, sir.

2335
03:03:52,730 --> 03:03:53,510
All right, sir, go ahead.

2336
03:03:53,910 --> 03:03:55,430
Well, wait, let me see who have any public comment?

2337
03:03:56,550 --> 03:03:56,890
No, sir.

2338
03:03:57,250 --> 03:03:57,570
Okay.

2339
03:03:58,030 --> 03:03:58,450
Go ahead, sir.

2340
03:03:58,690 --> 03:03:59,530
I moved to approve.

2341
03:04:01,170 --> 03:04:01,430
Second.

2342
03:04:02,190 --> 03:04:05,530
So, are we going to, but we're still open for discussion now.

2343
03:04:06,030 --> 03:04:06,150
Right?

2344
03:04:06,590 --> 03:04:06,790
Yeah.

2345
03:04:07,130 --> 03:04:07,290
Okay.

2346
03:04:08,170 --> 03:04:09,430
So, you called the questions.

2347
03:04:09,630 --> 03:04:10,730
I didn't get a chance to finish.

2348
03:04:10,850 --> 03:04:14,050
I just want, I want you guys to know, okay.

2349
03:04:14,710 --> 03:04:15,710
I'm on your side.

2350
03:04:16,030 --> 03:04:16,770
I just want it.

2351
03:04:16,770 --> 03:04:18,710
Just like the council member Henderson said,

2352
03:04:18,990 --> 03:04:19,890
it needs to be legal.

2353
03:04:21,590 --> 03:04:23,690
And I'm not, I didn't grow.

2354
03:04:24,010 --> 03:04:25,550
I know where Mobile Alabama is.

2355
03:04:25,590 --> 03:04:26,450
I got religious error.

2356
03:04:26,450 --> 03:04:27,590
And I understand what he's saying.

2357
03:04:27,590 --> 03:04:33,730
And I have never felt or faced the kind of situations that he has faced, although I have

2358
03:04:33,730 --> 03:04:39,070
felt discriminated against by my religion, by religion because in 2018, when I was running

2359
03:04:39,070 --> 03:04:44,310
for public office, I actually had a member of the City Council at the time, tell me they

2360
03:04:44,310 --> 03:04:47,030
couldn't support me because they didn't know what kind of Christian I am.

2361
03:04:47,570 --> 03:04:51,570
And so how do you think that makes me feel that I have to struggle to get through that barrier

2362
03:04:51,570 --> 03:04:53,370
first before I get through any other?

2363
03:04:53,790 --> 03:05:03,630
And it didn't matter that I'm an ordained minister, and that I was on the board of directors and the church that I went to and the board of directors that private schooled in my kids attended at the time.

2364
03:05:03,990 --> 03:05:08,650
You know, and I grew up in a Christian church and graduated from Christian college and schools and all that stuff, and ordained minister.

2365
03:05:09,730 --> 03:05:14,410
So I guess none of that really mattered, because if there's no kind of Christian I am, so I can't support me.

2366
03:05:14,450 --> 03:05:19,030
So I understand, I understand, I put discrimination, feels like, in the religion.

2367
03:05:20,530 --> 03:05:31,070
And that's why, for me, the legal course of action, like Council Member Henderson said, is the best course of action, that's why I chose what I did, but I wish you great success.

2368
03:05:32,990 --> 03:05:33,230
Thank you.

2369
03:05:33,830 --> 03:05:34,830
Any other comments?

2370
03:05:36,810 --> 03:05:37,010
All right.

2371
03:05:37,150 --> 03:05:39,010
We have a motion by Council Member Henderson.

2372
03:05:39,170 --> 03:05:40,830
Second by Mayor Pro Tem, please vote.

2373
03:05:46,760 --> 03:05:49,240
Motion passes as Council Member Sabino.

2374
03:05:49,240 --> 03:05:55,820
Council member Henderson, Mayor Protim Wilson, and Mayor Hussey, and Council member Allen

2375
03:05:55,820 --> 03:05:56,760
Hazard Stain.

2376
03:05:57,720 --> 03:06:03,660
All right, we'll enjoy your trip and thank you for taking care of you, and we're going to

2377
03:06:03,660 --> 03:06:11,040
go ahead and take 10 minutes recess right now, and we'll be back at 9.20.

2378
03:06:12,460 --> 03:06:13,380
So, 10 minutes recess,

2379
03:06:21,900 --> 03:06:25,900
okay, let's go ahead and recap being the meeting, a lot of you guys

2380
03:06:25,900 --> 03:06:35,180
state. I must like us so. Future agenda items at this time the City Council may propose

2381
03:06:35,180 --> 03:06:39,240
an item discussion on any action. If you have against the City Council meeting, it

2382
03:06:39,240 --> 03:06:44,060
consends and the majority of the forum is required to place any item on agenda, to having

2383
03:06:44,060 --> 03:06:45,000
requests,

2384
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:54,580
you want to talk about it. That's up to you. Our it is dead whenever you want

2385
03:06:54,580 --> 03:06:55,120
to do.

2386
03:06:55,120 --> 03:07:00,110
I would like to have a discussion about it.

2387
03:07:00,210 --> 03:07:03,030
I would like to have a discussion about it.

2388
03:07:03,150 --> 03:07:04,430
Yeah, we're open for discussions.

2389
03:07:05,010 --> 03:07:08,930
So you want to make a motion to make a motion to have a discussion

2390
03:07:11,090 --> 03:07:15,530
about using a third party entity like a foundation for this purpose.

2391
03:07:15,750 --> 03:07:18,170
What we were talking about.

2392
03:07:18,490 --> 03:07:19,130
The second

2393
03:07:23,320 --> 03:07:25,520
stage of.

2394
03:07:25,520 --> 03:07:27,900
All right, council, communications, council,

2395
03:07:28,500 --> 03:07:32,000
home and Michelle Savino, give me communication, you want?

2396
03:07:33,060 --> 03:07:33,840
I do.

2397
03:07:34,960 --> 03:07:37,560
First of all, my nephew's supposed to be watching

2398
03:07:37,560 --> 03:07:40,120
if he's still awake, happy birthday to you.

2399
03:07:40,120 --> 03:07:43,200
His grandparent's resident just turned seven years old.

2400
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:44,440
So happy birthday.

2401
03:07:46,660 --> 03:07:50,920
Gosh, so I've recently, we have been out.

2402
03:07:51,080 --> 03:07:52,900
We attended the ribbon cutting

2403
03:07:52,900 --> 03:08:03,520
for Robert Martinez Art Gallery, as well as the vegan vibes, which anyone's familiar with vegan

2404
03:08:03,520 --> 03:08:08,820
corner around here, what they've started once a month, and I believe this weekend, they're

2405
03:08:08,820 --> 03:08:15,060
going to have it again on the 13th I'll have to double check, but they have other vegan

2406
03:08:15,060 --> 03:08:24,120
vendor food vendors come out and so it's just an opportunity for the community and those

2407
03:08:24,120 --> 03:08:29,780
who are vegetarian or vegan to be able to come out and how a place to be able to, you know,

2408
03:08:29,920 --> 03:08:35,820
get a variety of foods, the donuts and the video tacos were fantastic.

2409
03:08:36,600 --> 03:08:45,540
So if you can stop by, stop by and support, I think that's everything because my computer

2410
03:08:45,540 --> 03:08:54,640
died on me, but I think that's, no, state of the county. We tend to state of the county as

2411
03:08:54,640 --> 03:09:04,100
well, and that if you've, if you've never watched what our Board of Supervisors are doing in

2412
03:09:04,100 --> 03:09:10,900
the region, just phenomenal with regard to ensuring the development, the programs that they

2413
03:09:10,900 --> 03:09:15,300
and just really being a good protector of what's happening in our region.

2414
03:09:16,060 --> 03:09:25,780
Supervisor Don Rao has really done well and not only making sure that we have good support

2415
03:09:25,780 --> 03:09:31,660
from our local businesses, but you wouldn't believe the amount of technology that we have in this area.

2416
03:09:32,580 --> 03:09:59,060
Almost the small Silicon Valley of source where, you know, we have the high tech, our developers, our robotics, and our drones, just a number of different programs going on in the area, not to mention the airport and the region. So definitely a lot of good things happening out, not only just in grand terrors, but outside in the region. So thank you.

2417
03:09:59,060 --> 03:10:01,000
Sorry. Thank you.

2418
03:10:01,440 --> 03:10:02,240
All right, Councilor Anderson?

2419
03:10:06,880 --> 03:10:11,460
I also attended the Robin Martinis ribbon cutting.

2420
03:10:12,620 --> 03:10:18,040
Really a nice gentleman, a very nice business operation for his art gallery.

2421
03:10:18,780 --> 03:10:23,680
My wife had attended the Grant Harris Art Show and came back and talked about.

2422
03:10:23,820 --> 03:10:24,700
We are a pro-Chim.

2423
03:10:26,160 --> 03:10:31,000
Wilson's artistic bent and Robin Martinis, and she indicated that

2424
03:10:31,000 --> 03:10:35,920
If there was an opportunity to go to a groundbreaking or a ribbon cutting sheet, she would like

2425
03:10:35,920 --> 03:10:36,600
to participate.

2426
03:10:37,720 --> 03:10:43,080
A wonderful fair, very strongly supported by his family and friends, and I look forward

2427
03:10:43,080 --> 03:10:45,720
to get things in that regard.

2428
03:10:46,660 --> 03:10:55,550
I did not attend the State of the County because I was in Las Vegas doing Las Vegas

2429
03:10:55,550 --> 03:10:56,390
things.

2430
03:10:57,770 --> 03:11:07,810
Every year there is a national super meat that I'm deeply involved in and so for September

2431
03:11:09,270 --> 03:11:18,430
18th through the 22nd I believe we had a really good time there with like-minded folks

2432
03:11:18,430 --> 03:11:24,690
probably 200 cars in attendance, all types and stripes, so it's great, it's wonderful.

2433
03:11:26,950 --> 03:11:32,170
And so that concludes my report, Mr. Mayor, not a city council event, but a city council

2434
03:11:32,170 --> 03:11:33,610
representative at that event.

2435
03:11:35,310 --> 03:11:39,090
Well, I know you're not running for reelection, so we're going to get together and buy you a

2436
03:11:43,340 --> 03:11:45,680
I mean, I'm sorry, Councilman Allen.

2437
03:11:48,220 --> 03:11:48,580
Thanks, Mayor.

2438
03:11:49,860 --> 03:11:54,760
That was a, that art gallery up there that they opened up.

2439
03:11:54,860 --> 03:11:55,720
That's a beautiful thing.

2440
03:11:55,860 --> 03:11:58,060
If you guys should stop by and look at his art, his photos.

2441
03:11:58,400 --> 03:11:59,160
They're amazing.

2442
03:12:00,180 --> 03:12:02,740
He's a real, real professional, real artist.

2443
03:12:06,460 --> 03:12:09,940
And so I attended also on the 17th of day after that,

2444
03:12:09,940 --> 03:12:14,060
the Cal City's lunch and at the ESRI clinic where we discussed

2445
03:12:14,060 --> 03:12:22,200
the how cities and jurisdictions are using geographical information services to improve the

2446
03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:28,660
services they got offered to the residents. And so that was a great luncheon, a great tour

2447
03:12:28,660 --> 03:12:35,900
of their facilities, what an amazing place that ESRI is. And so then, of course the next day was

2448
03:12:35,900 --> 03:12:40,820
the state of the county at the Ontario Convention Center, I attended that also and it was really

2449
03:12:40,820 --> 03:12:51,880
amazing, I had no idea that we had in our county a company that since planes into outer space.

2450
03:12:52,980 --> 03:12:59,680
We also have in San Bernardino, in our county, one of the top electric motorcycle manufacturers

2451
03:12:59,680 --> 03:13:03,500
right now, and that's just, that's pretty amazing to me, I think that's great.

2452
03:13:03,980 --> 03:13:07,980
That's two things I learned, but there's so much more about the county, Michelle mentioned

2453
03:13:07,980 --> 03:13:12,240
I did have about the great things that the county is doing.

2454
03:13:14,060 --> 03:13:18,920
So the following day, I attended the Inland Empire Veteran Final Health Summit at the

2455
03:13:18,920 --> 03:13:23,100
in Redlands at the Intemporary Club, which is sponsored by the Longalinda Veterans Hospital.

2456
03:13:23,900 --> 03:13:31,240
And it was a all day long event to showcase all the various providers of care and services

2457
03:13:31,240 --> 03:13:36,500
for veterans and their families in San Bernardino County and Riverside also.

2458
03:13:39,100 --> 03:13:43,480
The one thing I did attend also on that Thursday for the first time and I want everyone

2459
03:13:43,480 --> 03:13:47,640
to know about this because this happens the third Thursday of every month right here in

2460
03:13:47,640 --> 03:13:53,780
front of City Hall is the Machado family give away and this family that comes to

2461
03:13:53,780 --> 03:13:59,820
out here with a great big straight truck and gives away hundreds and hundreds of free

2462
03:13:59,820 --> 03:14:00,660
baby diapers.

2463
03:14:01,500 --> 03:14:06,060
So market on your calendars if you know anybody who needs free baby diapers and they also

2464
03:14:06,060 --> 03:14:12,300
have other goods, household goods for kids and families, and for school age kids also.

2465
03:14:13,120 --> 03:14:19,940
So that's every third Thursday of the month at 9 a.m. you can come here and see that.

2466
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:22,640
So

2467
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:32,280
on the 28th, the grand terreside, Lions Club had their October Fest and the grand

2468
03:14:32,280 --> 03:14:34,900
terreside country fair, what a great event.

2469
03:14:34,900 --> 03:14:42,680
Thanks so much to the volunteers in the city that hosted that put on the country fair and the lions who had the October fest

2470
03:14:42,680 --> 03:14:46,000
I tell you what those that lions club has got it going on

2471
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:52,520
Because I went to their bunko on last Sunday. That's for some I've ever played bunko and that was a hoot

2472
03:14:55,220 --> 03:14:59,960
So because I'm because I represent the city on the island on the

2473
03:15:01,860 --> 03:15:29,260
I'm a member of the Interagency Council on Homelessness, the Regional Steering Committee. We met on Wednesday, October 2, and in a special meeting to approve the direction of funding to the various entities in the central valley that are providing services to the homeless. These are government funds that are sent down to a third party entity, and we many of them are churches. I think the Lutheran mission got a ton of money.

2474
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:36,040
charities and Salvation, several all the entities get a tiny little

2475
03:15:36,040 --> 03:15:38,660
some of my need to help out with the services.

2476
03:15:39,020 --> 03:15:42,180
And so that was what I did that Wednesday.

2477
03:15:43,160 --> 03:15:48,240
And then on Friday, the fourth, I was privileged to be invited

2478
03:15:48,240 --> 03:15:52,580
to attend the Southern California Edison's Leaders Roundtable.

2479
03:15:52,580 --> 03:15:57,300
I think you were there also at UCR with the Chairman of the Board

2480
03:15:57,300 --> 03:16:05,360
the president of CE, Steve Powell was there, and several council members, mayors, and leaders

2481
03:16:05,360 --> 03:16:09,540
of the, from all over the Illinois Empire, the High Desert, the Low Desert, for all the

2482
03:16:09,540 --> 03:16:16,460
way from the entire county, and they were there in a round-table discussion with the President

2483
03:16:16,460 --> 03:16:21,900
of Edison, over anything that they're concerned, a lot of it had to do the rates, a lot

2484
03:16:21,900 --> 03:16:28,000
had to do infrastructure. One of the things I took away from there is the Chairman of the Board,

2485
03:16:28,300 --> 03:16:34,800
and President of SE Redley admitted he said, I'm sorry that the rates had to go up double digits

2486
03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:41,360
every year for the last five years that it was required in order for us to complete the upgrades needed

2487
03:16:41,360 --> 03:16:46,160
because of the fires and he said that that should stop the next year. Those double-digiting

2488
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:58,960
So that's some sort of a relief and that the pricing crisis won't be quite so high as they as they used to be as they were have been.

2489
03:17:01,160 --> 03:17:15,440
And so let's see, with that said, I believe, oh, I already told you I played Bunko with the land so that was, and then on Monday this past Monday yesterday was the

2490
03:17:15,440 --> 03:17:21,860
to see Council on Homelessness meeting where we actually discussed the future funding request

2491
03:17:21,860 --> 03:17:28,060
of HAP4 funding and HAP5 funding that will be coming up after that and that is the government

2492
03:17:28,060 --> 03:17:37,440
funding that will be allocated out to the various entities and for housing and community centers

2493
03:17:37,440 --> 03:17:39,740
and libraries and all kinds of things.

2494
03:17:40,740 --> 03:17:43,580
And so with that stuff, that was the last thing I did until today.

2495
03:17:44,320 --> 03:17:45,200
Thank you, Mayor.

2496
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:47,040
So do you want any money of Bunko?

2497
03:17:48,420 --> 03:17:49,380
Actually, no.

2498
03:17:50,140 --> 03:17:53,060
I didn't even win anything off the table,

2499
03:17:53,280 --> 03:17:55,200
any of the drawings of the pants,

2500
03:17:55,280 --> 03:17:57,580
smelly candles or anything like that.

2501
03:17:58,460 --> 03:17:59,240
All right.

2502
03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:00,080
Mayor Pro Tem?

2503
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:01,500
Thank you, Mayor.

2504
03:18:01,780 --> 03:18:05,200
I'll cut it short here because I know we're long on time here.

2505
03:18:07,660 --> 03:18:10,940
I did attend the city chamber meeting

2506
03:18:10,940 --> 03:18:29,820
We're a senator of bulk, we're incoming senator of bulk, spoke, and also later got an opportunity to represent the mayor at PNC Bank, and acknowledged them as the business of the month, met with, oh, before that.

2507
03:18:29,820 --> 03:18:37,560
I attended the country fair, it was a great activity, also attended the ribbon cutting for our

2508
03:18:37,560 --> 03:18:42,720
photography and we're not fooling around. There's some terrific stuff there and of course,

2509
03:18:42,860 --> 03:18:49,060
she's a very talented artist. And then attended the state of the county and boy, the robotics

2510
03:18:49,060 --> 03:18:54,960
and everything were really incredible. I could see why they, you know, substitute that for

2511
03:18:54,960 --> 03:19:04,060
of fireworks in places, and then I was in an orientation for Omnitrans, which turned out

2512
03:19:04,060 --> 03:19:06,100
to be a fairly healthy meeting in itself.

2513
03:19:06,480 --> 03:19:15,160
I had the CEO of Omnitrans for this neck of the woods, and a on her assistant, and I was

2514
03:19:15,160 --> 03:19:23,220
all by myself for the orientation, just so I could make it to one meeting, but it was great

2515
03:19:23,220 --> 03:19:29,500
was very informative and it may have even changed my opinion a little bit about the sustainability

2516
03:19:29,500 --> 03:19:36,000
of omnitrans. And then I attended an omnitrans meeting, I'll be half of the mayor. And then

2517
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:43,840
also attended later that same morning at the SPCTA meeting. And it's interesting to contrast.

2518
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:51,160
I can say that hundreds of millions of dollars, who threw those two devices, and it's very

2519
03:19:51,160 --> 03:19:55,500
definitely important to pay attention to the news

2520
03:19:55,500 --> 03:19:57,380
that we received from those areas.

2521
03:19:58,300 --> 03:20:02,540
But the top or was I met with at her request,

2522
03:20:03,400 --> 03:20:09,620
Senator Rosalice Ochoa Bowl, and we got a chance

2523
03:20:09,620 --> 03:20:14,580
for over an hour and a half to chat about the city status,

2524
03:20:15,440 --> 03:20:19,040
and our drainage concerns, or roads,

2525
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:27,820
the Mount Vernon road, the extension of Mount Vernon, the state mandates that we get and are

2526
03:20:27,820 --> 03:20:34,880
unfunded most of the time and heavy handedness there and some of the politics and then talked

2527
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:40,360
about homeless stuff and affordable housing we pretty much covered the whole gamut and I got

2528
03:20:40,360 --> 03:20:53,020
chance to go over with her, what we did up in Sacramento as a body about our drainage in our roads and so on.

2529
03:20:53,620 --> 03:21:04,800
And so I was able to explain to her why that was a concern, why the 100-year-old road that snakes down Mount Vernon could use a little bit of help.

2530
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:10,100
So, anyway, all of that was important, and I think FaceTime is very important to the circumstances.

2531
03:21:11,420 --> 03:21:16,520
Reminds me a lot of what I used to do is a regular old character at a job.

2532
03:21:17,720 --> 03:21:23,880
So, anyway, I still welcome the opportunity to represent the city and have some more discussion

2533
03:21:23,880 --> 03:21:29,040
with those folks and make sure they understand who we are and our needs. Thank you.

2534
03:21:29,460 --> 03:21:32,200
Thank you. Well, I'm a little jealous. I didn't get to attend the fair.

2535
03:21:32,200 --> 03:21:38,160
I was taking care of those two little babies with no power and stuff, and waiting three hours

2536
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:38,720
for ice.

2537
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:42,340
You guys get to have a good time back here while I'm over there working.

2538
03:21:43,520 --> 03:21:48,940
Anyway, I want a special thank you for the Mayor Colton for getting that homeless

2539
03:21:48,940 --> 03:21:55,340
chemit, cleaned up, called a September 5th, and there's a lot of stuff like you've

2540
03:21:55,340 --> 03:21:58,980
learned tonight, and you just can't go in there and take everything, you've got to go in

2541
03:21:58,980 --> 03:22:01,260
there and make sure there's resources and everything else.

2542
03:22:01,260 --> 03:22:08,420
And the ACLU, I'd something happen with the ACLU in San Bernardino, so we might begin

2543
03:22:08,420 --> 03:22:12,420
in flux of homeless because they're going to be cleaning their encampments out.

2544
03:22:13,160 --> 03:22:17,800
So just bear with our city, they're going to be wandering and trying to find another place

2545
03:22:17,800 --> 03:22:18,800
to go.

2546
03:22:21,800 --> 03:22:25,780
And Chamber Meeting tomorrow is here, right, in this building.

2547
03:22:26,420 --> 03:22:29,900
And then right at 9.30, they're business of the month of the mislead.

2548
03:22:30,260 --> 03:22:32,300
If you never tried mislead, you've got to go do it.

2549
03:22:32,980 --> 03:22:35,860
So I told them right at a hurricane where you go, you've got a mislead.

2550
03:22:36,200 --> 03:22:38,020
So I got my mislead right there.

2551
03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:44,500
So now people have been asking, we've got to go fast, but you know, the ballads came in.

2552
03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:48,200
I didn't know the school system was even asking for another bond.

2553
03:22:48,200 --> 03:22:55,260
I know we voted for two bonds before and in the law forces for minimum, you know,

2554
03:22:55,260 --> 03:23:03,260
officers and staff at the county state and then there's also a TOT tax for measure K for the county for their hotels.

2555
03:23:04,380 --> 03:23:06,520
And then of course, I can't.

2556
03:23:06,640 --> 03:23:07,500
I like to educate you.

2557
03:23:07,500 --> 03:23:15,940
Of course, I measure here that the citizens brought forward measure M for our own, you know, fleece an enhancement.

2558
03:23:16,580 --> 03:23:22,140
So make sure you guys read and educate yourself just don't go on there and vote whatever.

2559
03:23:23,160 --> 03:23:30,200
One shout out will be what the League of Cities is pushing is Prop 36 to make sure we can

2560
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:39,060
repill some of 47, so the League's, and everybody's yes on that, and Prop 6, please know

2561
03:23:39,060 --> 03:23:45,040
because that's going to be set up before they're going to be giving inmates minimum wage

2562
03:23:45,040 --> 03:23:51,280
or on par of their work program is to go to work, and they're going to make them not work.

2563
03:23:51,280 --> 03:23:53,880
So those are the two things that the league's pushing.

2564
03:23:54,880 --> 03:23:58,940
But please educate yourself on what you're voting for.

2565
03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:02,360
You heard it tonight from Mayor Poetem on what Sacramento

2566
03:24:02,360 --> 03:24:03,500
does to us.

2567
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:05,980
So that's all I have for right there.

2568
03:24:06,260 --> 03:24:07,380
City Manager, you have anything?

2569
03:24:08,020 --> 03:24:08,760
Yeah, two items.

2570
03:24:09,640 --> 03:24:13,900
First, a sad one, Lieutenant Lane, announced that he

2571
03:24:13,900 --> 03:24:16,000
will be going off on medical retirement.

2572
03:24:16,620 --> 03:24:21,000
And he has been with us for four or five years now, long.

2573
03:24:21,420 --> 03:24:23,480
Much longer than we typically get a lieutenant.

2574
03:24:24,120 --> 03:24:25,280
He's done a wonderful job.

2575
03:24:25,440 --> 03:24:26,960
He's invested himself in the community.

2576
03:24:27,140 --> 03:24:28,400
He's been a big part of the city.

2577
03:24:28,940 --> 03:24:29,920
We're going to miss him.

2578
03:24:30,320 --> 03:24:34,660
I understand that there is the sheriff is looking for somebody

2579
03:24:34,660 --> 03:24:36,040
and has somebody on tap.

2580
03:24:36,180 --> 03:24:38,660
It's at least as good as Lieutenant Lane going into the future.

2581
03:24:39,300 --> 03:24:42,200
So we look forward to, well, it could be Sergeant Addy.

2582
03:24:42,320 --> 03:24:42,900
I don't know.

2583
03:24:42,900 --> 03:24:51,480
But we'll see who we get and you know we'll open our arms and work with them just like we did look for Tana Lane

2584
03:24:51,480 --> 03:24:56,020
But we will miss him. He's going to be with the sheriff's department for probably another

2585
03:24:56,020 --> 03:24:59,280
10 to 12 months until they cycle him out

2586
03:24:59,280 --> 03:25:03,140
But he is no longer able to do active due to your active patrol work

2587
03:25:03,140 --> 03:25:06,700
So he's no longer able to be our chief police on

2588
03:25:06,700 --> 03:25:11,180
The positive side council member Anderson asked about the city clerk retreat recruitment

2589
03:25:11,180 --> 03:25:18,720
We have completed that process, we hired an outside head hunter, got some very, very qualified

2590
03:25:18,720 --> 03:25:25,300
applicants from throughout Southern California, disinterviews, and for those of you that are

2591
03:25:25,300 --> 03:25:30,140
highly observant, you've noticed that Daisy is sitting in the pit, and Deborah is off

2592
03:25:30,140 --> 03:25:37,800
to the side, so out of the review and the applicants, Daisy will be our new city clerk going

2593
03:25:37,800 --> 03:25:44,100
forward, and so she will be transitioning for the next couple of months, and then she'll be

2594
03:25:44,100 --> 03:25:50,380
starting in the end of December officially, as Deborah leaves us for greener pastures.

2595
03:25:52,660 --> 03:25:53,480
Thank you, Jason.

2596
03:26:08,400 --> 03:26:17,950
All right, well Daisy doesn't know what she's getting into, so but yeah, that's just pretty good promotion, but you know, you sure never you don't want to just pull your

2597
03:26:18,510 --> 03:26:24,090
You know, well Daisy won't let you now because you got the promotion so your people being a psychopath so

2598
03:26:30,590 --> 03:26:34,090
you break it or end or an election year and everything right

2599
03:26:34,090 --> 03:26:40,730
Well, that's a good way to, you know, put your foot in the fire, and then sergeant, if you want,

2600
03:26:41,050 --> 03:26:45,050
I'll go talk to the sheriff and tell them, put some bars on you if you want, sir.

2601
03:26:46,230 --> 03:26:47,750
You might not listen to me, but, you know.

2602
03:26:48,850 --> 03:26:49,210
All right.

2603
03:26:49,790 --> 03:26:53,470
So we have a close session.

2604
03:26:53,530 --> 03:26:55,110
Oh, yeah, is the fire out, finally?

2605
03:26:56,810 --> 03:26:57,250
No.

2606
03:26:58,250 --> 03:26:59,250
We're 34 days.

2607
03:26:59,570 --> 03:26:59,970
Over time?

2608
03:27:00,250 --> 03:27:00,550
No.

2609
03:27:02,190 --> 03:27:04,070
We are 34 days into the line fire.

2610
03:27:04,070 --> 03:27:06,670
I just came from the line far, I'm going back to the line far.

2611
03:27:07,630 --> 03:27:09,330
We're looking probably another 10 to 12 days.

2612
03:27:09,670 --> 03:27:11,850
You'll start to see some smokes, some political smokes

2613
03:27:11,850 --> 03:27:13,250
we call them from the interior.

2614
03:27:14,550 --> 03:27:17,310
But fire season is here, obviously.

2615
03:27:18,090 --> 03:27:20,170
We spent the last 34 days on the two,

2616
03:27:20,390 --> 03:27:21,890
whether the three fires have been included in the airport.

2617
03:27:22,470 --> 03:27:24,390
And I do want to apologize that I was not here.

2618
03:27:24,510 --> 03:27:26,790
It was all hands on deck on that last council meeting.

2619
03:27:27,230 --> 03:27:28,970
Even the BC that was supposed to come here,

2620
03:27:28,990 --> 03:27:31,130
he ended up taking a strike team up to right would.

2621
03:27:31,150 --> 03:27:33,090
That's where I ended it up at.

2622
03:27:33,090 --> 03:27:34,750
And I'll talk about one thing just really quick

2623
03:27:34,750 --> 03:27:35,910
and know where we're short on time,

2624
03:27:36,550 --> 03:27:38,130
but being prepared means something,

2625
03:27:39,270 --> 03:27:40,150
the town of Raiwood,

2626
03:27:40,370 --> 03:27:43,270
back to a 5200 people in about 34 minutes.

2627
03:27:43,770 --> 03:27:45,130
That's pretty unheard of.

2628
03:27:45,150 --> 03:27:47,530
The evacuation order came a little bit late

2629
03:27:47,530 --> 03:27:49,290
because of how fast that fire grew.

2630
03:27:49,690 --> 03:27:51,410
We're seeing fire grow that we've never seen

2631
03:27:51,410 --> 03:27:53,390
since the old fire and that was 22 years ago.

2632
03:27:54,730 --> 03:27:57,290
So just understand that to be prepared,

2633
03:27:58,390 --> 03:27:59,890
we have to have defensive will space.

2634
03:28:00,030 --> 03:28:02,470
I did watch the recording of the council meetings

2635
03:28:02,470 --> 03:28:06,890
And I will go off the back of the city manager and say we have to be prepared.

2636
03:28:07,050 --> 03:28:09,410
It's not a matter of if it's a matter of win.

2637
03:28:10,390 --> 03:28:15,150
So I will be returning back up to Big Bear and later on this evening.

2638
03:28:15,490 --> 03:28:16,610
Thank you.

2639
03:28:16,830 --> 03:28:17,750
Well, you're right, sir.

2640
03:28:17,930 --> 03:28:21,570
Be prepared just like my son wasn't prepared one last in three years ago.

2641
03:28:21,710 --> 03:28:23,750
Where's his generator and he never bought it?

2642
03:28:24,390 --> 03:28:26,370
So he got an early Christmas gift before I left.

2643
03:28:26,570 --> 03:28:27,170
He got a generator.

2644
03:28:27,550 --> 03:28:28,810
But no, you have to be prepared.

2645
03:28:28,970 --> 03:28:30,450
You never know what's going to go on.

2646
03:28:30,450 --> 03:28:37,990
You don't know what's going to happen. I know we have a certain stuff, but you don't know you do not know what's going to happen, and

2647
03:28:37,990 --> 03:28:40,690
Mother nature can be a wicked person and

2648
03:28:41,590 --> 03:28:44,110
climates and then and then people

2649
03:28:44,650 --> 03:28:46,090
yeah, and

2650
03:28:46,090 --> 03:28:48,050
Yeah, and then

2651
03:28:48,710 --> 03:28:55,270
Chainsaw's a good thing to have too because after cutting, you know, branches in a hurricane with a handsaw trying to help this deputy so you get

2652
03:28:55,270 --> 03:28:58,090
Because it's tree fell in the street so he could go to emergency

2653
03:28:58,090 --> 03:29:02,250
I was the thank god you of the neighborhood got together and I was all this one out there

2654
03:29:02,250 --> 03:29:04,450
I'm like and I'm doing the most of the work I go here.

2655
03:29:04,450 --> 03:29:10,010
I started giving us all the kids but anyway, we have a closed session conference with legal counsel existing

2656
03:29:10,010 --> 03:29:28,050
litigation and pursued a government code section 54.95, 54.5, 54.95, 56.90, name of the case,

2657
03:29:28,050 --> 03:29:32,970
numbers C, IV, S, B, 2, 4, 2, 3, 3, 0, 5.

2658
03:29:33,510 --> 03:29:37,570
So we're going to go back there and hurry this up and then if I don't see you guys have a

2659
03:29:37,570 --> 03:29:39,930
good night and that's the luck on that fire.

2660
03:29:40,270 --> 03:29:41,010
Let's get that.

2661
03:29:50,140 --> 03:29:55,900
Okay, we're going to reconvene after the closed session, staff and council will give

2662
03:29:55,900 --> 03:29:58,960
directions. I need that. Anything else?

2663
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:08,720
The meeting is going to be November 12, 2024 at 6 p.m. Don't forget to trunk her treat coming up.

2664
03:30:08,940 --> 03:30:13,380
We don't have a second meeting this one. That's what you crammed everything in tonight.

2665
03:30:26,110 --> 03:30:27,470
See what you got out of?

2666
03:30:27,770 --> 03:30:31,170
I mean, December meeting ceremony, that's 15 seconds from me, right?

2667
03:30:32,170 --> 03:30:32,290
Yeah.

2668
03:30:34,930 --> 03:30:37,110
And you're a pinto that we're buying you.

2669
03:30:37,650 --> 03:30:37,670
Yeah.

2670
03:30:39,010 --> 03:30:52,030
So the next meeting will be November 12th at the year 2024 or 6 p.m. in a request to have item placed on a future agenda must be made in writing and submitted to the city clerk's net and we'll see you on trunk or treat.