1 00:00:01,650 --> 00:00:07,200 [Music] everybody Lo is here you're 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,879 early okay but I am early cuz I kep thinking I 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:19,800 don't want to be late I know what happens when I'm when 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,800 I'm 5 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:31,960 late five five 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,360 five it starts after about the 10th 7 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:54,280 [Music] one well it's got an expiration date 8 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,280 date five 9 00:00:55,850 --> 00:01:00,759 [Music] 10 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:16,320 [Music] is believe how many of them are from 11 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:23,960 Upland how many I can't believe how many from yeah well you know what happened 12 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,960 everywhere 13 00:01:28,830 --> 00:01:41,520 [Music] almost $2 14 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:44,520 million estimated cost 15 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:51,719 yeah you can get you can buy a new house there on 8 street now you got two 16 00:01:52,170 --> 00:02:01,840 [Music] ready to 17 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,840 sell they'll sell them 18 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:11,000 Bru Sebastian main Builder I think actually we got in 19 00:02:11,959 --> 00:02:19,879 there El's in there Barley's in there Barkley Sebastian those are your top 20 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:26,360 three just on that street alone TK there's a couple that are new 21 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:31,480 to us but it's because people can't find anyone build they're they're going 22 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:35,920 outside we had one house built by two subcontractors who usually help other 23 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:38,160 people build a house they build a house by 24 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,400 themselves 25 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,310 [Music] 26 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,319 what 27 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:01,840 people oh 28 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,720 want REM bathroom could have walk in 29 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:24,879 shower and contractor said maybe by July 30 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:31,760 maybe honestly shocking I've seen it go past even then 31 00:03:26,799 --> 00:03:31,760 too that's not a long Le time bathro 32 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:43,519 no no I mean you could end up with like my parents-in-law they got it started 33 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:48,799 but the fixtures were late two months so they had a half done 34 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:55,360 bathroom months don't give me War Stories now better off 35 00:03:51,720 --> 00:04:00,760 not don't give me war stor like that right what time you have you have 36 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:13,040 okay so for for June with what Taylor has done with 14 37 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:18,440 duplexes our estimated construction for June already is 37 million 38 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:22,959 13,500 we 39 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:36,400 put yeah but we don't tax them do we yes no so it's not it's not a tax Bas for us 40 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:40,199 that's the only bad thing and I live right 41 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:43,919 beside you got more money than Carter got liver pills 42 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,800 buddy my sister goes to school there I see their tuition 43 00:04:51,759 --> 00:05:02,080 cost that's expensive you go to Purdue or one the 44 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:07,680 others but I say Taylor graduate certificate is worth a lot more than it 45 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:12,479 really yeah that's they come from a Christian base and they they don't skip 46 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:18,240 very much yeah they don't that's my opinion yeah that's my opinion I think 47 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:22,000 they've dropped some you think your R up no I think they've dropped their 48 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:27,080 standards a little bit they used to have really high standards to get in yeah I 49 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,479 don't think that's the situation I don't I wouldn't think so either with how much 50 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:35,919 they're growing too well they're trying to get to 2600 that was the 10 year it 51 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:44,280 wasn't a 5year plan it was a 10e plan they want to get to 2600 kids so they're 52 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:51,039 after remember when president said down got 1800 26 being part of the 53 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:58,039 utilities you go thousands more 54 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:05,880 people my wife worked there they was right at 18 1820 yeah 1850 that's 55 00:06:03,479 --> 00:06:08,400 it that's all they let in that's all they had room I had room for yeah that's 56 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:15,240 all they had they're build a 57 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:21,919 lot yeah yeah I see Wimer lime service is on here twice for 130,000 accessory 58 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,599 building are they building two buildings or is that just a duplicate 59 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:35,080 entry which entry you looking at first first about five down and then probably 60 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,080 about 12 61 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:44,639 down they're two different per permit dates yeah there 62 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,639 is both for 63 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:52,360 130,000 we had two different permit numbers also yeah I would say with them 64 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,879 having two different permit numbers they would be 65 00:06:53,800 --> 00:07:00,120 separate so you think they're building two buildings did a St out on one of 66 00:06:58,039 --> 00:07:07,360 them is that yeah access building says 67 00:07:03,479 --> 00:07:12,120 building not accessory building and two buildings they both could be a 68 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:17,800 buildings true is it the same address yeah same 69 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:20,720 address now I know where at that's two different 70 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:30,120 ones [Music] 71 00:07:22,919 --> 00:07:30,120 okay we 6:00 yep yep okay 72 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,639 good evening and welcome to the Grant County Board of zoning appeals for June 73 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:43,000 3rd 2024 would you all please rise and join 74 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:43,000 me in the Pledge of 75 00:07:44,039 --> 00:07:53,159 Allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to 76 00:07:50,280 --> 00:08:00,560 the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with 77 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:03,080 liberty and justice for all please be 78 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:14,240 seated okay can we have a roll call please for 79 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:22,960 attendance Johnson here Jones here long here Pearson here John here 80 00:08:18,919 --> 00:08:27,039 here and Mr Atkins is out of town so he won't be 81 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,440 here all right 82 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:38,959 next on the agenda is approval of the minutes for May 83 00:08:40,599 --> 00:08:45,519 6th I move that they be accepted as 84 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,160 written 85 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:59,600 okay we have a motion to approve do we have a second I'll 86 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:06,240 second we have a second so we have have a motion from Mr Johnson and a second 87 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,240 from Mrs 88 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Jones Johnson yes Jones yes long yes Pearson yes young yes 89 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,000 part okay sorry motion 90 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:36,880 passed next on the agenda and is approval of findings of 91 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:43,320 fact docket 03 bz v-24 Heath 92 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Duke would be the first 93 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,759 one that was the [Music] 94 00:09:57,079 --> 00:10:02,640 kitchen was was the addition by the 95 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:15,000 yes we gave him a 7 foot set back instead of a 96 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:21,200 zero yes did he accept that seven yes he accept it it I think we should approve 97 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:27,120 it well I think maybe we need to look at this for a minute it says zero here 98 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:34,800 ordinance to allow accessory building to be zert from the East property line 99 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,800 instead of the required 25 100 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:43,920 ft uh I'm not seeing where it 101 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:51,800 says that we gave him a 7 foot setback which was in the motion to 102 00:10:47,040 --> 00:11:00,079 approve it Mr Mr Johnson made motion for 7 instead of the 25t requirement that's 103 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,079 on page two on page two 104 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:07,440 [Music] very motion 105 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:21,240 [Music] passed in the minutes but not the yeah 106 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,440 we need to add that to our findings then there is a second page 107 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:35,360 here okay so we'll hold that one up till next 108 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:41,320 month which will probably be August okay then 109 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:52,180 uh next findings of fact would be th4 bz 110 00:11:47,480 --> 00:12:04,039 v24 Ryan and Amy beagle [Music] 111 00:12:23,199 --> 00:12:27,460 is [Applause] 112 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:37,639 [Music] and we 113 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:44,800 approved the kitchen 114 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:44,800 and have you issued a certificate of 115 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:53,320 occupancy not until they get the septic septic is still we got the pump and hole 116 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:57,360 worked out so they actually just St their SE put in I think they're on the 117 00:12:55,399 --> 00:13:02,600 schedule for later this week to get a final done okay so that's coming all 118 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:11,240 right hold that yeah we may want to hold let's hold 119 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,240 that one till August 120 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:33,920 also okay no old business um 121 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:40,040 then new business docet o2a 122 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:47,320 d24 Liberty Baptist Church 4814 West Deli Pike 123 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,320 Marian zoning District General 124 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:56,360 business okay is there a representative here from Liberty Baptist Church yes 125 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:03,160 would you come forward please and sign in and give us your name 126 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:11,920 sign in there should be a sheet up there it's coming soon it's coming right 127 00:14:07,079 --> 00:14:15,120 away veryy today I'm so sorry all the time thank 128 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,399 you 129 00:14:25,199 --> 00:14:32,519 see uh you want my address or the church address uh you can sign your name and 130 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:36,720 just put your church address I think is fine there that's who you're 131 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,720 representing 132 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:45,920 [Music] here okay would you give us your phone 133 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:51,639 number in case they need to call you for questions uh are you the contact person 134 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:56,399 on this project yes okay you have okay we're good all right tell us a 135 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:03,079 little bit about your project and why you want to do this uh we just went to 136 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:08,639 upgrade our sign have old sign board out there with the letters that you put on 137 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:13,199 manually and just going to get rid of that thing and up a much nicer 138 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:24,079 sign okay um I was out looked at your sign is this a new sign going back in 139 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:29,120 the exact same location yes sir what that okay I it's just verifying 140 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:36,759 okay um how bright will it be at night and 141 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:46,519 what hours will it operate I do not know how exactly to 142 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:52,519 describe brightness but I did read the um the County ordinance and the company 143 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:57,639 that we're buying it from assures us that it will meet the 144 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,920 code okay as far as hours of operation that has not been Det 145 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:10,519 okay so is the brightness variable yes 146 00:16:13,959 --> 00:16:22,920 okay yeah i' driven by some of those in goodness they about blind you if they 147 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,920 don't turn themselves down at night 148 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:44,440 is there any documentation about the brightness that he has 149 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:51,160 that I do not have any no company that you're dealing with do they have it can 150 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,160 you get it they do and yes we can get 151 00:16:53,319 --> 00:17:03,399 it I don't know what you have but 152 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:09,559 all they gave us is just this little sheet right here that's all we got from 153 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:14,120 them but yes we can get that documentation if that is 154 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:19,039 needed usually these are these are programable so that may AA yeah but we 155 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:23,480 want to be able to say that that's what they're going to do are they are 156 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:26,720 programmable instead of having to get here and then we thought well we thought 157 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:31,360 it was programmable but it's not so we got a documentation saying that it's 158 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,360 programmable we're 159 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:43,000 [Music] good yeah I don't think that is in here 160 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:52,360 [Music] anywhere yeah is this the same church or 161 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,880 is this a different church this a different church we did the one around 162 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:59,919 the corner of the United Methodist Church all right 163 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:07,840 can I ask question yes pleas do what about the footer are you going to tear 164 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:13,400 that big footer out didn't look like you needed all that sign that you had this 165 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:19,880 quite large are you going to break that up ah frankly I'm not sure I haven't 166 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:24,320 well thought that far you got to if you're going to bring electricity to it 167 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:30,600 well there's already two conduits run to that side and 168 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:39,799 so we can we can the new sign exactly where the old one is and power it and 169 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:39,799 have data run into it both concrete 170 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:53,240 there that's old one I I didn't see no they come up within the base there 171 00:18:54,159 --> 00:19:00,720 back if they would pull that do you would kind look 172 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:18,880 I believe that's where inside uh Levi bigs with um me electric um he goes to 173 00:19:17,159 --> 00:19:22,200 our church and he went out and looked at it and he said yeah it's going to be 174 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:27,960 fine with the new sign right where the old one is don't have to do anything I 175 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:32,159 take it the church owns that property yes that for the 176 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:38,520 preacher no that's actually our office building 177 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:45,000 okay I didn't get to talk to nobody there is the old sign illuminated the 178 00:19:42,159 --> 00:19:50,000 light no there let's see there is a light that shines on it but Essence 179 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:54,640 inside oh there are there are for Essence inside okay yeah 180 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:59,420 [Music] 181 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:09,280 Ryan is this a letter of opposition that's in here there is one letter of 182 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:15,520 opposition from the neighbor I believe right across the 183 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:22,760 street and I did talk to him I talk to Tom and he he's elderly man but he's 184 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:26,240 worried about having to back out and I told him that if they put the sign put 185 00:20:24,679 --> 00:20:31,080 it right there I said I don't know about the footer CU it's big but if you put it 186 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,640 the same place he's all right with that yes it's going exactly the same place 187 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:40,080 and the new sign is actually just a touch smaller than the one that's there 188 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,480 now but he's he's okay with that okay I talk to 189 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:55,080 him and what are we going to do about the brightness what we add on that we 190 00:20:53,000 --> 00:21:03,039 have a regulation in our sign ordinance on brightness okay I mean do we yes oh 191 00:20:58,919 --> 00:21:03,039 do yes how's that 192 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:30,919 measured uh excuse me 15328 S regulations uh C is brightness and 193 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:36,080 legibility uh a no sign shall be of such intensity or Brilliance as to impair the 194 00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:40,840 vision of a motor vehicle driver or to otherwise interfere with the driver's 195 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:46,960 operation of a motor vehicle no sign shall be be no sign shall be of such int 196 00:21:44,919 --> 00:21:51,559 intensity or Brilliance that it interferes with the effectiveness of an 197 00:21:49,159 --> 00:21:56,400 official traffic control sign device or signal C digital signs should be clear 198 00:21:54,320 --> 00:22:01,720 and easy to read without excessive text colors Graphics or other features that 199 00:21:59,159 --> 00:22:06,240 reduce their eligibility the digital sign shall utilize automatic dimming 200 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:11,799 technology as certified by the manufacturer to adjust the brightness of 201 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:18,200 the sign relative to ambient light so that at no time shall the sign exceed a 202 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:23,080 brightness level of 02t candle above ambient 203 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:27,400 light All Digital signs shall contain a default mechanism that will cause the 204 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:32,960 sign to revert immediately to a black screen if the sign functions and then f 205 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,159 is the last one digital signs shall have no sound or auditory 206 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:40,400 components be cool slow 207 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:45,250 [Laughter] 208 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:54,559 down just I thought and go to church yeah 209 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:05,240 okay well compare the vision of the 210 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:13,400 driver so the darker it is at night and the brighter it is is going to be 211 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:21,760 definitely above the ambient light in the area is 212 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:27,120 that 80 I don't 2T candles above ambient light you know like what the ambient 213 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:31,000 light at midnight is going to be very low it's going to be whatever lights are 214 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:37,679 kind of in the area the Dollar General sign and street lights 215 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:43,360 or any other light this this is going to be a hard measurement yeah you know but 216 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:50,799 if they have control on yeah and they we give them the rule in paper yeah 217 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:56,960 you then there's an automatic dimming system that'll try and keep it at 218 00:23:54,159 --> 00:24:03,480 that okay all right 219 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:08,840 10 know8 very busy road yes it is yeah and coming into an intersection 220 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:14,200 there okay all right 221 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:17,200 then all right you may be seated sir thank you thank 222 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,799 you is there any opposition to this 223 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:34,000 petition okay um we'll close the public hearing at 224 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:37,399 this time and it is time for any further board discussion among the 225 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:49,640 members I got a feeling we've pretty well covered it 226 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:54,960 um I'm calling for a motion then do we have a motion on this petition I'd like 227 00:24:52,480 --> 00:25:00,960 to make the motion that we approve it but to make sure that they have the 228 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:05,440 uh documents needed for the information you need as far as the dimming and all 229 00:25:02,399 --> 00:25:09,399 that stuff okay so for you know for Ryan so that way you know prove to say when 230 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:14,360 when they come in to get a permit we should get they've already given me a 231 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,919 copy and so if there's a problem going forward forward it'll be a code 232 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:25,399 enforcement situation and you know we've done our 233 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,919 part at that point okay I like to make a motion that we approve I will second 234 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:35,399 that motion okay we have a motion from Mrs Jones and 235 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:39,440 a second from Mr Johnson scared me every time you 236 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:48,760 [Music] said not used to that Mr 237 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:56,520 Johnson Johnson yes ston yes long yes Pearson yes joh 238 00:25:52,080 --> 00:26:01,200 yes motion passed uh you have your uh variance there sir and we thank you for 239 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:03,440 coming in doing things the right way thank 240 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:08,559 [Applause] you 241 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:18,399 okay on a side note with that I I did meet with the town of szer on the 242 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:24,600 rezoning uh uh they rezoned that property the church actually ownes the 243 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:28,919 property on both sides Left Behind szer is actually looking into possibly making 244 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:34,600 all of that General business mhm I know I couldn't get back to the 245 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:41,919 church I went to the school you can't get there from the school from the front 246 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,919 drive you have the back Drive 247 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:51,960 okay okay all right then 248 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:59,880 um let's see um under reports we have the permits for 249 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:06,679 last month is there is there any uh uh additional discussion or questions 250 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,320 that the board has for the list of permits 251 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:18,120 here is this one of the busier months well yeah I mean we as we get 252 00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:23,320 through the summer we get busier but when we start getting into tailor and 253 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:29,000 stuff like that where we've average 25 to 35 million a year it takes one tailor 254 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:38,080 project or something that in at 40 million and it skews everything so right 255 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:44,679 so there's around 70 here looks like okay so that's just a busy month 256 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:49,159 yeah your permit number as you start getting these and what you what you've 257 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:53,880 got emailed to will have each what I emailed to you will have January 258 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:58,240 February and each month will just add okay the next month to it but your 259 00:27:56,159 --> 00:28:02,200 you're going to back catch everything thing up is that what you're 260 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:07,519 saying this year Beyond those are all new permits 261 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:17,039 those aren't existing okay so you're at your permit we start like 2025 262 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:21,880 d001 I think your year up to maybe 266 267 will end the year somewhere between 263 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,519 8 and 900 unless there's a big storm that com through then 264 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,840 that okay all 265 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840 right 266 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:43,120 um where are we at on the people that are doing that building on 267 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:49,320 nine that be whatever they're doing over there on State Road n you all you all 268 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:55,320 these went in front of the Commissioners uh this morning and the Commissioners 269 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:59,960 denied the resoning okay uh there is a falling out between Mr ugal and who was 270 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:04,600 helping him do it I believe they're no longer working together anymore and Mr 271 00:29:02,919 --> 00:29:09,240 evaldi did not show up to the meeting this morning so that's right now that's 272 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:14,120 kind of where it sits we were waiting to find out what they wanted to do today 273 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:20,480 and they no one showed up yeah I um Sunday I seen a guy there and he was 274 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:26,200 burning some of the Lum so somebody's doing something they they have got with 275 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:32,559 IDM air and IDM environmental and working with them don't know what this 276 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:38,760 what does yeah but I was aware and pro what they're doing I think I know it's 277 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:43,679 what I'm hearing is they may know and talk to Mar 278 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,679 that's that's 279 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,840 here and yes I think everybody should know about the 280 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:57,720 JB JB jgb they go ahead and report that would 281 00:29:53,799 --> 00:30:04,960 you that you reported me uh the we had had a project com 282 00:30:00,679 --> 00:30:09,279 through it's been a bit now JT Bowers that they were going to put in tow 283 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:13,399 houses in Upland they were trying to do it on one property and they had come in 284 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:19,480 and talked to us they at the time with the property they were asking for a 50% 285 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:25,519 lot coverage instead of the allowed 40% uh and they were asking for a 10t 286 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:31,559 set back on the west side instead of the required 15 if I'm not mistaken 287 00:30:28,679 --> 00:30:35,320 they have since uh bought the property beside that one of the one of the 288 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:40,720 gentlemen who was actually here again against it sold them the next door 289 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:46,880 property uh and they're tearing that house down so now they've got two lots 290 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:53,159 there and they're building six town houses U but with with the two lots 291 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:58,360 everything fits so they don't have to get oh street 292 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:02,760 parking yes they they've got it on trying to think of streets but they 293 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:09,760 they've got it on first they've got it down Jo and then they've they're going 294 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,760 to actually have parking spots on the 295 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:18,720 west I [Music] 296 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:24,799 think is that zone for apartments yes yeah they were they were 297 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:27,799 good to go last I think so that's R4 isn't 298 00:31:31,159 --> 00:31:37,720 I would have to look he he just emailed me last week that they were ready to 299 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:42,320 tear the second house down and we're going to come in with 300 00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:49,440 permitting uh but that hasn't happened yet C patri is caddy corner from there 301 00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:56,159 yeah that's Taylor now yeah and even with with that we were 302 00:31:52,440 --> 00:32:02,320 talking about Taylor the two three story apartments that were across well across 303 00:31:59,159 --> 00:32:08,840 the street bought those and they're looking to make those one of them 304 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:17,360 longterm vent and the other one from I think they're in demo mode right 305 00:32:12,919 --> 00:32:23,320 now build that marott or whatever that that is I had a meeting uh with their 306 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:27,399 new development director they got another $30 307 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:33,840 million U they're looking to directly across the street they're talking about 308 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:40,320 putting in 55 in older housing more condo type bed and breakfast and like a 309 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:46,000 hotel U they're talking ker Commons about phase two phase two with up has 310 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,799 been ready to go for about 2 years but they couldn't take for the concrete what 311 00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:55,880 Bron Southerland told me uh so they're looking to help with that there was a 312 00:32:53,519 --> 00:33:02,720 third thing that they were looking at with the additional 313 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:07,919 so that'd be north of the medical center there you're talking about across yeah 314 00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:13,960 yeah directly north that property directly north it's going to be like a 315 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,960 hotel into condos 316 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:22,639 into they got I meanone none of that is to fruition it was she was coming in 317 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:29,720 introducing herself and here's what we're looking to do U talking to Brandon 318 00:33:26,679 --> 00:33:33,960 zoning stuff like that just kind of hey we're going to have to work together on 319 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:38,159 this just introducing yourself I we we've got a really good 320 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,279 relationship with what's going on right now most of those guys we just called 321 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,720 they meet us and we walk through their projects with so that's kind of what 322 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:51,880 we're looking to do thank you I all know that happen um 323 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:58,080 are they going to be paying any taxes since this is Under the Umbrella of 324 00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:04,720 Taylor I don't believe so but that's not yep it's oh 325 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:12,560 boy you got to pay income tax so that's about it things like ker Comm some of 326 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:12,560 those things that to help with 327 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:20,720 those okay 328 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:33,280 um there another thing I wanted you to think about is that uh in our rules we 329 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:42,720 do according to the rules Robert's Rules of procedure and that's a a thick book 330 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:49,079 that uh I've done some reading in and we don't quite follow it 331 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:56,520 now I looked on the internet and there's a Roberts Rules of Order for small 332 00:34:51,919 --> 00:35:01,040 boards more so fits us it's two pages long 333 00:34:58,359 --> 00:35:05,800 um but it still has a few things in there that I think we would be a little 334 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:09,599 bit uncomfortable with one is a requirement for a board member to raise 335 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:15,480 their hand before speaking and be authorized by the chair 336 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:20,839 to speak if you told me that I would raise my 337 00:35:16,839 --> 00:35:26,880 hand if you refer to me well no I'm not referring to any of you directly since 338 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:34,280 none of us do that of us do so anyway but what I'm saying is we could make 339 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:42,400 some modifications of that and uh use something similar so that we uh we don't 340 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:52,400 run a foul of not following our own rules uh so uh at our next meeting I'll 341 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:57,359 make a note to bring that with uh some suggested changes and uh we'll go 342 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:04,520 through it I think I'll probably just try and email it out to 343 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:09,599 you I'll mail you one bill and uh are we going to need a motion for that we will 344 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:11,760 okay when we when we actually get a look at 345 00:36:14,319 --> 00:36:24,720 it another thing that uh I've noticed the County Council does and it's it's 346 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:32,319 just kind of on an order of you know how they do things and that is if someone 347 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:40,119 has a motion and a second they always open it up for public 348 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:46,400 comment now most of our motions and Seconds come after we have a public 349 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,200 hearing yeah so we don't need a public comment then after a public hearing 350 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,319 because we've given everyone a chance to speak either for or against but if we 351 00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:00,079 pass something additionally like we say okay we're going to use Robert's Rules 352 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:06,280 of Order for small boards and we make a motion a second before we go to take a 353 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:11,920 vote we should always open that up for just any public comment a lot of times 354 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:19,280 there probably won't be but there might be and I just and in our open government 355 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:25,800 I want to give a chance in case someone wants to address an issue so but there 356 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:30,400 would still be an argument no matter what if you're against that you're still 357 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,240 going to argue whether you have Roberts or Johnson's rules yes you're going to 358 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:39,400 argue with them that's the way it goes we're in America that's what happened 359 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:46,200 yes Roberts was in England he didn't know yeah and with this set of rules 360 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:52,200 it's concise enough that that we can just pull it out okay and 361 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,200 see 362 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:59,240 okay I don't think we're that far off we're not but you know since I have to 363 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,880 administer the rules that book is very thick and I've 364 00:38:02,319 --> 00:38:09,079 only gone through parts of it that I thought applied to us and on the spur of 365 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:15,680 making a meeting and trying to delve into that book and find a passage that's 366 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:23,800 unlikely but with a two-page system I think we can easily 367 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:29,319 manage that and stay within rules so anyway next month August next not next 368 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:34,520 month we usually don't meet in July unless there's a special 369 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:39,960 need if we have uh if we have several people wanting 370 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:45,720 permits we may call a special meeting so that they don't have to wait two 371 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:53,800 months which we've we've done that one time since we said we would do 372 00:38:49,839 --> 00:39:02,800 it okay but in the 15 or 16 years that's the only time that that it's happened 373 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:07,520 so okay so anyway it may not happen again this year but our next meeting 374 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:12,800 that is August now also 375 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:15,599 um at this time do we have any other reports from the 376 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,839 office okay and do we have anything from the public we have any public comment 377 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:29,839 for today Now's the Time Mr saltz please 378 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,839 come to the 379 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:36,960 podium well I'm still frustrated what happened 380 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:42,880 in your January meeting because my wife and I were never 381 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:49,200 given a certified letter at the last meeting I got a copy 382 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:53,640 of the barcode that said a certified letter was sent to firmount Indiana my 383 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:58,440 wife and I I didn't get the copy of the letter to 384 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:03,359 see the letter to see when it was returned or what happened with it but I 385 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:08,520 went to the post office or my wife did and we found out that that barcode had 386 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:15,319 never went through the post office and never done any none of the proper 387 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:19,960 channels now the first meeting way back in September or whatever we didn't 388 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:24,520 receive a letter we just happened to find out about it and we came to that 389 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,319 meeting and protested it I've been here protesting all 390 00:40:26,319 --> 00:40:34,920 along different situations I did not know in the January 391 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:38,440 meeting that Mrs Craig was coming in to get her 392 00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:44,839 variance because I didn't get a letter which was promised to me I would get 393 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,839 certified mail I did not get 394 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:57,880 it I'm so frustrated and tired of all the the falsehoods and lies that 395 00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:03,040 come from Mr mot's office to the town of Fairmount to different 396 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:09,079 people Randy Miller did not go over there and Reserve survey 397 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:15,880 that and I got the surveys that was changed that was re-recorded in 398 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,599 September mine was recorded 7 days after Mrs Craigs was 399 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,079 [Music] recorded we paid Randy Miller to survey 400 00:41:21,319 --> 00:41:31,960 the alley also when my new Amendment came through 401 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:35,720 it still shows her house or her deck still either over the property line or 402 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:41,520 on the property line now 403 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,880 how everybody in here knows you can't pick up a 100y old house and move the 404 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:49,680 damn thing 6 in to change your property line a survey is a survey that's been 405 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:57,880 there forever these surveys go 406 00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:05,319 back everybody you know all I here is well we have to we have to depend on 407 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:05,319 what our director or Mr L 408 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:15,960 says we found time and time and time again that it's not the truth he's not 409 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:20,440 telling the truth to everybody and it changes to every damn body every person 410 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:29,640 he talks to you got to watch your mouth I I I I I I corrected I apologize I I I 411 00:42:24,839 --> 00:42:34,200 apologize for that but we can't continue to get 412 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:39,760 falsehoods and people to you're an elect you're 413 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,670 officials you have to go with the rules and what you're told but if you're told 414 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:49,319 something that's [Music] 415 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:54,880 false it can't be it can't be a proven fact 416 00:42:51,960 --> 00:43:01,079 now there was a letter that Mr lot sent to the town of Fairmount 417 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:08,359 September the 21st before their September 25th 418 00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:14,319 meeting that says him Nicole Bailey and Randy Miller met over there and checked 419 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:21,319 that property out again I contacted Brandy Miller and he 420 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:25,280 said I never went over there I never met with them over 421 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:30,680 there and I got a camera over there that shows that nobody from Randy Miller's 422 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,680 office was ever there and it wasn't until the 423 00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:40,520 20 the the morning to the 424 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:45,319 25th that Mr mot and Nicole Bailey went over there with a little wheel and 425 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:51,880 they're all don't know where the survey Stakes are at or what it is they're 426 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:57,920 masing off then the next morning after town has her 427 00:43:53,599 --> 00:44:03,720 meeting they meet he meets with Ryan goset and somebody else from the town 428 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:08,920 and they're driving steak in then no surveyor they're putting 429 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:14,800 stakes in the ground and they said that my Boulders were over the property L 430 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:18,599 they were not over the property line and they gave that to the town of Fairmount 431 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:23,280 so the town of Fairmount mov on boards so 432 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:29,040 now after this all these surveys come back and it still shows my Alley's 10t 433 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:35,400 her part of her property is either over the property line or on top of the 434 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:40,119 property line and it can't be should have had some type of variant setback it 435 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:47,040 can't be zero setback if it's not when they knew no 436 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:51,240 going in now my wife and I were told several 437 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:54,400 times that that porch was over the property line they would make them take 438 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,359 it down they didn't make them take the 439 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,720 steps down and were 2 and 1/2 ft into the property line until the 26th 440 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:07,800 September the 26th I was in the hospital at that time 441 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,440 seei here or there with medical issues all this 442 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:18,839 transpired from the September 23rd and 24th through then and all this other 443 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:23,800 stuff I've got copies of recorded deeds and 444 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:31,520 it's it's falsehood and I'm I'm still frustrated that the BGA board 445 00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:37,680 and like I said my wife and I have been here or I've been here several 446 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:45,000 meetings talking with concern about that particular property all along since last 447 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:52,000 April March or April and then to sneak a meeting in 448 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:58,920 that I didn't even get notified that you was going to have a meeting to allow a 449 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,920 variance or approve a variance 450 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:07,480 something's wrong with this picture something's totally wrong with it I 451 00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:13,680 mean Mrs Jones knows I've been here several times Mr Pearson knows I've been 452 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:21,760 here Mr long knows I've been here several times Mr Young Mr 453 00:46:16,839 --> 00:46:27,000 har it's just it's just been a continuation have shoved me around shove 454 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:32,720 my wife and I around for somebody for to the town of 455 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:38,160 Fairmount and it's and it's and it's not right it's illegal it's 456 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:41,680 wrong what are you what are you looking for what am I looking 457 00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:45,920 [Music] for I'm looking to get reimbursed I 458 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,319 didn't want to put a fence up on that property to start with but I had to to 459 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:56,400 stop the to stop the contractor from driving on my lot then as soon as I 460 00:46:53,480 --> 00:47:01,160 start putting the fence up Mr milot goes over and put a stop order on and tells 461 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:04,640 me I can't put my fence up on my property 462 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:10,359 line they got her go ahead and work on hers knowing her steps and stuff is 2ot 463 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,200 Into The Alley but that's okay all I'm doing is putting a fence up to protect 464 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:19,079 my property on then when it put put the stop order 465 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,800 on it and shoves us around a little bit more we go by boulders to put on the 466 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:30,400 property line and then in September they go over 467 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:35,240 Mr mot somebody from the town of Fairmount not a surveyor goes over and 468 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,160 decides for to put a stake I've got pictures of them driving State and 469 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:45,000 stretching and saying that my Boulders are over the property on now I've got 470 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:50,559 I've got some DN much money tied up in this just to protect my property over 471 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,640 there instead of and Mr Moran asked me one time what 472 00:47:53,520 --> 00:48:00,200 do you want I want my property 473 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:04,920 I want I want a property that we purchased and I don't want to be shoved 474 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:10,480 around and let people Dy their trucks on it drive scissor lifts and Genie boom 475 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:15,960 and everything else on our property line I tried to be nice and I just put stuff 476 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:21,000 down the alley line just some flags and some tape and stuff all they did run 477 00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:27,720 over it and push it over out of the road keep running over it nobody will do 478 00:48:23,319 --> 00:48:35,000 anything nobody did a thing I what I think needs to my personal 479 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:40,240 opinion an outside surveyor needs to go over and measure that property line and 480 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:43,920 find out just exactly what's going on there's too many people entwined with 481 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:49,920 this thing Mr mot talks to Randy Miller all 482 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:55,480 the time he talks to Kyle Pinger Craig Pinger David glickfield all these names 483 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:58,839 are thrown out in these emails to different people like talked to this 484 00:48:57,319 --> 00:49:04,480 person and he said Mr Soul should be notified he's got to do something nobody 485 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:08,599 ever notified me to do anything the town did send me a certified 486 00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:14,359 letter but the first letter was never 487 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,920 delivered get a certified letter from the town huh you did get a certified 488 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:23,640 letter from the town of Fairmount the town of Fairmount told me that my 489 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:27,200 Boulders was over the property line and the only reason they knew the boulders 490 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:32,079 were over the property line was because of him that's the letter from certified 491 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:38,319 letter from the town of Fairmount him and Ryan Gosset stretching Lines no yes 492 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:45,200 it is I don't believe it is is there it's a fact is there like you said an in 493 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:50,040 independent uh surveyor that can prove once they measure that this could be 494 00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:55,559 easily resolved that way cuz he could say you know if that's the right 495 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:59,079 property line if he me you somebody's going to have to pay for that good not 496 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:03,559 fair to him have to pay my my wife and I paid $3,500 for survey it should have 497 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:08,680 cost us $1,500 that's what I'm saying the town of Fairmount paid $2500 to get 498 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:15,480 the alley survey just the alley I had the whole our property and the alley 499 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:20,119 survey and then afterwards I find out that there's some changes or some calls 500 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,880 made that somebody needs to help some person 501 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:31,839 out not ask but I the down M has 10t alleys they've all 502 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:38,000 been plotted 10t alleys since way back when they have no easement no right and 503 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:43,200 they have very crooked alleys there's not a straight alley in the I I 504 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:47,720 understand that I don't know how we can tell that your alley is nice and 505 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:54,640 straight when that thing went like this around trees well I didn't plant trees 506 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:59,599 and the for the alley to encroach on our property has nothing to do with with 507 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:04,920 where the property Line's at now my property line has always been where it's 508 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:09,720 at and for them to drive on my property whether the trees are encroaching into 509 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:14,799 their alley or not has nothing to do with my property nothing sounds like you 510 00:51:12,359 --> 00:51:20,079 got to talk to Fairmount we we've already ruled we've already made them 511 00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:25,520 rules you need to talk to Fairmount but I I feel like in his case 512 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:31,079 we were just ruling on the information that was given to us 513 00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:36,880 so you know like he said if he does if we weren't given the right information 514 00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:41,319 then you know we just ruled on what what we got from Ryan it's it's just like I 515 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:46,240 was told I was told I had that they mailed me a certified letter now I find 516 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:49,599 out that certified letter never went to the post office it never went through 517 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,599 the system 518 00:51:52,880 --> 00:52:00,839 so yeah you're right I need to talk to the town affair I need to talk to to 519 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:07,160 different people to try to figure out why this happened why it was allowed to 520 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:07,160 happen and 521 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:14,319 why it's been my burden of responsibility to try to fight this all 522 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:19,480 the way through because I couldn't get the contractor to stop driving on my 523 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:23,880 property I tried to put my fence up on my property line which had nothing to do 524 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:29,079 with the alley but it was my property on it it's still my property on it 525 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:34,240 regardless whether the town's got their 10ft alley or not my property all the 526 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:38,799 alleys were plotted at 10t straight in line just because people encroached in 527 00:52:37,319 --> 00:52:42,920 and started putting buildings on them and put trees in the alley and 528 00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:47,319 everything else has nothing to do with my personal property line over there my 529 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:54,200 property line is is my 530 00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:59,480 deed I mean I still say you got Fair yeah well but you guys at this point you 531 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:05,319 you have your property line established and you have your fence on it and your 532 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:10,720 property is intact the trees have been cut down in the alley by I guess the 533 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:15,440 town of Fairmount and the alley is reestablished the only question in your 534 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:22,280 mind is how did we have to go through all 535 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:28,559 this and put you through all this to get to the point of where your property was 536 00:53:24,839 --> 00:53:32,200 established correctly well and then and then 537 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:38,640 the the the untr statements that the house 538 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,720 moved or something happened 539 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:48,799 and that me not getting a certified letter 540 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:52,599 has everything to do with it because I would have been here at the January 541 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:58,960 meeting I would have been here I came to the APC meeting that night because Randy 542 00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:03,079 Miller Randy Atkins took over as a president that night I came to the APC 543 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:08,880 meeting but I didn't come to the BCA meeting because I didn't know that was 544 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:15,000 transpiring had I had a letter I would have been here I 545 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:19,640 mean what does the office have to say about the 546 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:23,319 letter i that that is what Brenda gave me that she said she sent and I would I 547 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:29,319 would remind uh 548 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:34,240 SS that the meeting was continued in December and in the meeting it was 549 00:54:31,319 --> 00:54:40,000 announced that we would be dealing with it in January and you were here for the 550 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:45,640 December meeting you got SP no Mr Craig property was not announced to be 551 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:50,400 continued to January meeting Mr Craig's property was not announced we be going 552 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:55,839 through the January meeting we continued the variance for 553 00:54:53,079 --> 00:55:00,160 the zero set back it was continued in the meeting 554 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:04,880 well it was continued in the September meeting the 555 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:10,480 September yeah I'd have to review December's meeting I didn't look at 556 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:16,760 December's meeting for that specific that's what discussing about yeah the 557 00:55:13,799 --> 00:55:25,520 variants did come up in the January meeting because we had a survey that 558 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:32,760 showed the house on it and it showed that uh r Andy Miller had rerecorded 559 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:38,839 it and so at that point we thought we were ready to go ahead with the zero 560 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:45,359 setback because his new survey showed that the corner of the house was right 561 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:52,880 to the line but not over it his previous survey and his previous testimony before 562 00:55:48,039 --> 00:56:00,640 the Fairmount Town board was that her house addition was in the alley by a few 563 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:04,839 inches I happened to attend that Fairmount Town board meeting and 564 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:11,440 remember it very clearly why he later decided that he 565 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:20,000 needed to go resurvey and recheck and change his survey I can't 566 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:26,400 say look look at this this is that is was filed September the 567 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:35,400 21st that is a great property still showing the alley and everything 568 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:35,400 but it's showing this now in September 569 00:56:44,130 --> 00:56:47,300 [Applause] 570 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:58,920 the8 here's what what was recorded for me 571 00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:05,200 it still shows the house and the deck at the 572 00:57:01,799 --> 00:57:09,760 property line so what's right what's wrong which one's the 573 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:21,640 latest the out the steps steps was 2T into the alley yes 574 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:27,440 now our the situation as the BCA is concerned is that your property is 575 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:32,039 correct and in attacked her property according to the 576 00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:38,200 information we were given we ruled that there would be a 577 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:43,160 zero setback and we granted that variance based on the Zero 578 00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:47,880 setback now because there's an alley in between your two properties her house is 579 00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:52,760 not on your property so I if she's going to get part 580 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:58,920 of that alley we should get part of that alley well that's an interesting topic 581 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:07,039 for the fair out town I think to discuss but not 582 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:12,559 us um I think you know I think it's unfortunate uh that we're in a spot and 583 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:17,640 that if you could have been here in January you could have had your say 584 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:27,000 prior to this board ruling but at this point um I don't see 585 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:32,000 exactly what the bza can do um you do have 586 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:38,280 recourse you say you're out money you could file a case I'm not urging you to 587 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:44,000 Sue I don't think it's worth it to you but that's your choice that's your 588 00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:47,839 freedom to do that but I don't think we have I don't think we have anything else 589 00:58:46,839 --> 00:58:50,839 to do 590 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:58,599 um on behalf of the office we do apologize that you did not get no notice 591 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:03,000 of the January meeting 592 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:09,440 [Music] uh offici apologize for something slide 593 00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,440 through the 594 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:19,160 Cs okay um is there anyone else from the public that would like to speak 595 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:36,839 okay hearing none I'll entertain a motion to 596 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:43,480 adjourn I'll make that motion you raise your to do 597 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:47,160 that all in favor say I I meeting a journ thank you 598 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,119 looking 599 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:07,599 [Applause] for oh that was on your 600 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:12,119 thing I believe there is an effort to get a part-time building instructor to 601 01:00:09,799 --> 01:00:17,559 help get us brought up you said that get the guy