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Well, thank you folks for coming.

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» Get right into our discussion on the
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a question that were asked by us while
we do with the building.

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Legal council
said it'd be best for us to lease it to

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the library just
after they end up voting

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for the library district. So,
>> and that would we'd have to

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» draw a police
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» Yeah.
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» Where we would decide on I guess that
would be the same what what's our

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responsibility and what's theirs. I
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» I don't sorry it wasn't
>> my recommendation would be that we

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drafted out were the library district
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uh have maintain insurance and be in
charge of all maintenance that's done on

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the building
in exchange for our very low lease

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amount.
That way we would really have no cost to

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bury it for the campaign.
>> Got it.

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» Wouldn't another portion of that we'd
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would become not being used for a
library that we just would change

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the county.
>> Yeah. Okay.

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» No longer at some point was no longer a
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Okay. I don't think we would

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no reason to be ahead of that and have
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» Okay.
>> No, not until we find out about the

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» what's going to happen.
>> That's going to happen in the election.

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As far as uh books and
fixtures that would be included with the

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» with the lease,
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we were going to allow them to have the
bugs wall.

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» We would have no use for bugs or the
fixtures of place as well. So I would go

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in the building, but they'd be
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maintenance, all the cost with the
library all

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that would include computers and
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» Okay,
>> that'll be included in your lease.

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Agree, Jim.
>> Point of order.

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Are we engaging or is this a public
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probably
>> but if you have a question I'm glad for

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an answer
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» So your honor, why would you at this
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that you will lease at a low rate when
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one not consider fair market value for
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This would revenue source. Sir,
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just going to end up costing the
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Well, the building was gifted to the
county for the purpose of a library.

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So, all it would do is cost all the
taxpayers in the county more money have

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we had a a large dollar amount of lease.
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that doesn't calculate in my head.
>> If the library district passes, they

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have to base their amount they're asking
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operating cost is. All that would do is
cost the library district more money,

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which they'd have to transfer off to all
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Well, if that if that's the case, then
the we need to consider a revenue source

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and selling them the building.
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that and I don't think we need to. My
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citizens of the county if they want a
library, we're using this particular

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thing to reduce the pressure on our
general fund. we still would like a

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hidden library if the if the citizens of
this county would like to pay for the uh

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district if that's what they would like
to do. So we're trying to make it

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palatable for all of our citizens in
this county. So if they do decide to

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vote and want to pass this then they
would be able to operate this library uh

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in our county. I didn't think about
trying to make money on it, trying to

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keep things so we could get things black
so we could have the services. So making

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money and I guess you know it's a great
idea but I also think I'm trying to

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service the people in in the situation
in which the county is in right now

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financially
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realize
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get this done so that their executive
their CEO

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can make some big money.
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down.
>> But if there's money in the bank,

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» then we should be getting what we should
what we deserve as a county.

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» They don't have a
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services to everything that we
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consider
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» This was not to be a generate money
generating deal from the get-go. This

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building was gifted to county with the
express purpose of being a public

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library.
And that's what the gift was. It wasn't

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built with county funds. And what this
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it will eliminate the drain on our
general fund dollars and be carried by

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the library district. That's the
purpose, not to generate a bunch of

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revenue. The revenue we'll generate is
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the amount that we're spending now on
it. So that's one of the savings to the

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county able cut. Also, if we sell the
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then we get taxes back to the county.
>> No, we can't sell it.

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» Can't sell it.
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it's supposed to be is a library, not
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» You can't just
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started the discussion with the history
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building can be sold. And then we
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meeting to get this stuff out.
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then.
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a private discussion. So, we're not
going to do a bunch of this. We'll have

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some questions, but we're mainly trying
to meet with the the committee to that's

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trying to save the library for they can
get their information, for they can do

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their budget, for they figure out what
their tax rate is, what they got to do.

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» I have Elizabeth waiting to speak.
Elizabeth, I sent you an unmute request.

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So, there's something you have to do on
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Can I Can you
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» Nope.
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» Okay. Hang hang on. Can Let's see what
Can you give us a test?

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» Okay. Okay. How's that?
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» that's good.
>> Okay. Um hello. Good morning. Um first

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of all, I want to say
>> thank you on behalf of the Save Our

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Library Committee um for a couple of
things. First of all, um recognizing

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that the Grant County Court is in a
really difficult position financially,

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and in spite of that, they've given the
Save Our Library Committee a lot of

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support in doing some work to figure out
whether the community would support a

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library district, but also um a
tremendous amount of support in moving a

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library district forward. Um, and over
the next two months, um, there's going

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to be a number of actions that we're we
that the court will need to take to

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continue to,
um, put a library district in front of

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the voters, um, for them to make a
decision about it. But recognizing

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everything that's gone into it, I just
want to say thank you and thank you guys

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for taking the time today to have a
conversation about some issues

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um that are important for us to figure
out as we move forward with like what is

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a library district for Grant County,
what's it going to cost, and what are we

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going to be able to provide residents.
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and I the other thing I wanted to share
was a bit of good news. So, one of the

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things that needs to happen for a
library district to be created is that

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every um incorporated city in Grant
County needs to vote in favor or pass a

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resolution in favor of that. Um last
night we got the seventh of the eight

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required cities to pass the resolution
in favor of creating a library district.

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The one that has not um was not able to
pass the resolution because it didn't

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have quorum and they're looking for a
way to address that. Um so that's really

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good news. the county is very much in
support of moving forward with the

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creation of a library district and I
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Um, one question we had as a committee
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consideration of deferred maintenance
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able to if a library district were to
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over ongoing maintenance and
responsibilities for it. um might there

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be an opportunity to take care of some
deferred maintenance, fixing some broken

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windows, things like that um before the
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really is a question without an answer
at this point. We don't know, but we

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wanted to put it out there.
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Well, that's
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turn that up?

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It's good news about the
city's passing resolutions, which is

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necessary if we can draw the boundaries
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the last one will get a corn. That's uh
now as far as uh orders and stuff uh

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it's too much
uh not enough.

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» That's it's maxed

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» but um
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Elizabeth will you be drafting up it's
horrible.

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What do you mean to worse now than it
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Will you be drafting up the order and
preparing the ball language?

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We sent you a link yesterday for the
book on that.

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She's done there. She not. Yes,
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Hang. Okay,
>> now you're muted again.

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» Okay, T.
>> How's that?

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Um, so I have uh been um in conversation
with Lori and Lori is working with legal

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counsel um and they're going to draft
the um initiation order and the um

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approval order and the um election
order. Um I have the ballot language

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template and we're going to start
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» So we had
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conversation with
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» Yes.
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» not that information.
>> Maybe Lori.

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» Maybe it was Lori.
>> No, it wasn't Lori Kate's. I'm not sure

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what order it happened in Jim, but I did
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we had talked before
I got an email from you, I believe, and

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uh I don't know. I don't know.
>> No, it' be on you guys to draft the

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order and the ballot stuff.
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» And we'll Okay. Yes.
>> Is that what legal counsel said?

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That's why they sent that link to the
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um
however I I yeah so as of yesterday

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I understood differently. That doesn't
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it. It just means that I understood that
the um legal counsel was doing it.

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» What I had asked what I had asked for
was what are the required templates that

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you guys have for Grant County so that I
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» Say that one more time.
>> Um I need from you guys whatever

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templates or however you have formatted
these orders previously. um so that I

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can I can follow what you're and
typically it is generated by the county

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but as we said I'd offered to do it
previously um so however that works but

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then I just need to have access to both
Lori and legal counsel so I can make

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sure I'm doing it in accordance with
your rules

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» once it's completed push through our
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correct
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I still need your I still need whatever
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have.
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» So is there is there a confusion between
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one that works with the ballot process.
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» Does she have a role in assisting them?
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approving the stuff. One's a thread. We
sent a uh thing from a link to show what

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they're supposed to do with ballot
title, how many words the question is

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for the ballot, all that. So, and then
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» you guys will have to come up with how
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tax rate disc included in all that.
So, I do have all everything I need for

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the ballot measure. Um, what I don't
have is um whatever formats and and

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templates you have for the orders.
>> Do you have templates for orders? I

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don't think so.
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order. I have a template for the road
service district order which is similar

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» but
needs library information inserted.

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» So we could use that give her that
template with those changes.

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» I believe so. Yes. I mean I can give
that to her. Yeah. We would just what I

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think would be the best and I have been
looking for this. I think the best thing

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to do would be to
find a district that or a county that

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has created their own library district
and and a lot last when we were creating

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the road service district, our legal
council sent me templates from other

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counties and that would be the easiest
way to to look at an order and just make

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it for Grant County. So, Elizabeth, that
would be I have been hunting for that

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and haven't had any success so far.
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» thinking with Lord Kate's her job is to
okay it once it's been burned and not

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help to create.
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create it.
>> Right. No, but for just to clarify

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for ballot information and instructions,
you would be providing that if she

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needed.
>> So when she wouldn't create the ballot,

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what comes to the clerk's office is
what's going to be put on the the we get

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the filing for the measure to be put on
the ballot and that has to be approved

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in our office once it's all put
together. But no, she doesn't create the

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ballot. This would be the ballot
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the measure would be approved to move
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measure and
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All of the filings come from the court's
forming whatever all of that comes from

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that side. Nothing happens on our end
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» Right.
>> Absolutely. I understand. Your honor,

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I'd like to call a conflict of interest
on Lorie Stanette's engaging with the uh

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library group.
>> It's my it's my desire that she not

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engage with them.
>> That might be on their own and she isn't

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creating a conflict of interest.
>> I would like to know how that's a

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conflict of interest
>> because she appears to be counseling

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them.
>> She's not counseling him. She's trying

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to get him information.
This is counseling.

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» That's what she should be doing.
>> She's here to serve the clerk here to

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serve the community and help them
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this state for that matter. And and I
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interest.
>> A conflict of interest is when you would

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have personal financial gain or the
family member would have personal

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financial gain.
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if I might. So, I just want to clarify
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um

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I will receive from the county
um the information that I need to draft

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the orders in the format and template
that you guys need because it's it's

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it's not for me to create. It's your
process. So, I'm happy to provide the

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content, but I need I need the framework
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somebody's going to get me that correct?
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I will do that. Elizabeth,
>> thank you, Lori. And then the second

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thing is, you know, I want to go back to
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you know, we have, this is,
you know, we've been very appreciative

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of the support from CR Grant County
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guys said
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It's not like a hostile act. You're
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financial challenge being faced by the
library and your goal is to help support

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the continued operation of a library for
Grant County and I feel like this

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process is a real strong indicator of
that and I just want to appreciate that.

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» Thank you very much, Elizabeth.
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so we'll work on that stuff and get you
whatever information you need.

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» Thank you very much. Our

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next issue
on our agenda is transition management.

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The question was about basically if we
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on June 30th when the budget went. My
desire would be because in the event a

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library district is born, they would not
see any revenue till November of the

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year when the property tax start coming
in. So they will need some funding to

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run

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June 30th to the end of the year. And I
think and me and our treasurer spoke

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about it and I think we can get enough
money to fund the library through the

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end of the year by the now the ability
to use that $200 some,000 of SRS funds

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that we've
initiated for that project

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which

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because it wouldn't make any sense to
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distance

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to keep it going.
>> Yeah.

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» A challenge.
>> Jim, would you do that every year then?

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» No, I would get them over and then
they'd have the operating capital run

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through the next year and we'd be done
then. And would you do it at the current

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budget that way budget or at a budget
that is inflated to maybe 400,000 a

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year?
>> Well, no, cuz we're only going to be

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funding it basically for six months. So,
we will have to budget it to just for

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the operation of the library like we're
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When they get their money, they can do
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So,
how of that 216,000

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we have in the three to pay for that?
How much of that do you think is going

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to be left? Because it's going to pay
for some of this year's budget with some

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of that money.
>> That money can only be used from

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September 15th through then. So,
>> so we might have 50,000 of it left or

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75,000
>> I don't think we have any way of knowing

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» till we get down to that time how much
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» So, are you going to put a cap on it
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100,000 or something?
>> Well, when we get into budget season to

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see how much that's left and say we can
budget 100,000 to get you through the

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rest of the year or whatever. Depends on
how much money spent. I mean, we have no

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idea how much money will be left of that
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» and whether or not the ballot passes,
>> right?

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» Well, if you figure from se middle of
September when we can start using that

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money to cover the library, that's
almost 3/4 of a year and their budgets

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say with the money they bring in, it's
maybe 210,000 because they bring some

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money. So 3/4 of that
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77 something like that.
>> Well, I think really the question is if

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we would support
>> trying to fund the library till their

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taxes roll in at the end of the year.
This would be a one-time deal to get to

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their taxes roll in
>> if if it passes. Yeah. And that's what I

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thought about and talked about in this
process that well if they do pass the

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budget and which way they decided to go
that we would be able to

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» we would yeah we would be able to keep
it going and and transfer it over to the

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in this case if it's going to be the
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So to try to make it as smooth as
possible. Okay. And that was one of

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their question about walking with the
word. Sorry. The next question is the

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election cost. And I spoke with our
clerk and she can correct me. But unless

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it was a big long thing that made us add
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shouldn't be, there should be no extra
election cost including this on the B.

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So the election cost becomes a very
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Now I'm not so sure what the infant
funding the question is here. What's

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that about?
>> Oh what you were just talking

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» I think that's the same thing we're
talking about the transmission but the

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trans thing is intermar's
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» Yes. You just address the same thing.
>> Does that answer your guys's questions?

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Yep.
>> From what we can do.

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» Good. I mean
>> to this point. Yep. Because I think some

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of it will come up in budget like you
said our budget when we won't know

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» how much we have left or available from
>> if if the ballot passes or bails. I mean

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that's going to be a decision at that
time on a lot of this stuff. Well, I

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know Commissioner
Wilson has a trip over he has to take

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that plan. So, any interest in getting
him on the roads in a timely event.

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That's all the questions. Hey, thanks
you guys and I hope that answered the

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questions.
>> Oh, go ahead and go ahead Elizabeth.

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» Big orange hand.
>> Say big and orange. Am I giant in the

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room over there? I never know what
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» Um, again, I just want to say thank you.
I think um your guys' commitment and

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efforts are really appreciated. The
committee's been working really hard and

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um it's just really appreciated.
>> Well, and I know the committee has

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put hundreds and hundreds hours in
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city. So, I'd really like to thank all
of them for the time and commitment that

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they've put into this
>> and and for understanding the position

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we're in to, you know, for taking the
time to figure out that we're not just

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trying to,
>> you know, slash and cut that we're we

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want to make it work, but the position
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» So, thank you for that.
>> Well, you know, in some of these

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meetings that had been come out, they
couldn't understand, you know, we had

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$88 million budget. Well, that's all
grants, road reserve funds. As far as

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tax money goes, it's a little over 2
million a year in property taxes, which

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at the current budget, that's basically
1/8 of all our general fund dollars for

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the library. So, to put it more in
perspective, folks can understand why.

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And employee costs, post cost,
everything keeps going up every year.

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about the revenue stream for the general
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» So appreciate all you people and
>> I want I want to thank for getting us to

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get a kind of a platform set out in
front so they can get their work done

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and and uh when we meet in regular
session u they'll draft up what's

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necessary to make it as smooth what we
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» What city are we missing? I think
monument

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still
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» no
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» they don't have to
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» well thank you folks
>> thank you

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» thank you
for that

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» you