[0:06] Well, thank you folks for coming.
[0:11] » Get right into our discussion on the
building.
[0:17] a question that were asked by us while
we do with the building.
[0:26] Legal council
said it'd be best for us to lease it to
[0:30] the library just
after they end up voting
[0:37] for the library district. So,
>> and that would we'd have to
[0:44] » draw a police
>> draw a police agreement at that time.
[0:47] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[0:49] » Where we would decide on I guess that
would be the same what what's our
[0:53] responsibility and what's theirs. I
don't
[0:56] » I don't sorry it wasn't
>> my recommendation would be that we
[1:02] drafted out were the library district
could be
[1:07] uh have maintain insurance and be in
charge of all maintenance that's done on
[1:14] the building
in exchange for our very low lease
[1:18] amount.
That way we would really have no cost to
[1:24] bury it for the campaign.
>> Got it.
[1:28] » Wouldn't another portion of that we'd
have to discuss that if the building
[1:32] would become not being used for a
library that we just would change
[1:37] the county.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:39] » No longer at some point was no longer a
library. Come back to
[1:46] Okay. I don't think we would
[1:51] no reason to be ahead of that and have
it something wrote up.
[1:54] » Okay.
>> No, not until we find out about the
[1:58] » what's going to happen.
>> That's going to happen in the election.
[2:03] As far as uh books and
fixtures that would be included with the
[2:11] » with the lease,
>> you know, the the question,
[2:17] we were going to allow them to have the
bugs wall.
[2:20] » We would have no use for bugs or the
fixtures of place as well. So I would go
[2:27] in the building, but they'd be
responsible for the insurance, the
[2:33] maintenance, all the cost with the
library all
[2:40] that would include computers and
everything.
[2:42] » Okay,
>> that'll be included in your lease.
[2:45] Agree, Jim.
>> Point of order.
[2:50] Are we engaging or is this a public
listening?
[2:54] probably
>> but if you have a question I'm glad for
[2:59] an answer
>> Francis.
[3:02] » So your honor, why would you at this
point say
[3:06] that you will lease at a low rate when
in fact the county needs money? Would
[3:12] one not consider fair market value for
rent?
[3:16] This would revenue source. Sir,
>> what they're going to do though is it's
[3:20] just going to end up costing the
taxpayer more money.
[3:26] Well, the building was gifted to the
county for the purpose of a library.
[3:33] So, all it would do is cost all the
taxpayers in the county more money have
[3:39] we had a a large dollar amount of lease.
>> I'm not I'm not following that. I don't
[3:46] that doesn't calculate in my head.
>> If the library district passes, they
[3:52] have to base their amount they're asking
for for the district on what the
[3:57] operating cost is. All that would do is
cost the library district more money,
[4:03] which they'd have to transfer off to all
the taxpayers in the county.
[4:09] Well, if that if that's the case, then
the we need to consider a revenue source
[4:13] and selling them the building.
>> I didn't uh I didn't ever think about
[4:19] that and I don't think we need to. My
this is my my personal view that the
[4:25] citizens of the county if they want a
library, we're using this particular
[4:31] thing to reduce the pressure on our
general fund. we still would like a
[4:36] hidden library if the if the citizens of
this county would like to pay for the uh
[4:43] district if that's what they would like
to do. So we're trying to make it
[4:46] palatable for all of our citizens in
this county. So if they do decide to
[4:51] vote and want to pass this then they
would be able to operate this library uh
[4:57] in our county. I didn't think about
trying to make money on it, trying to
[5:01] keep things so we could get things black
so we could have the services. So making
[5:07] money and I guess you know it's a great
idea but I also think I'm trying to
[5:11] service the people in in the situation
in which the county is in right now
[5:16] financially
>> and
[5:20] realize
>> that we have a a group that is trying to
[5:26] get this done so that their executive
their CEO
[5:32] can make some big money.
So Democrat
[5:43] down.
>> But if there's money in the bank,
[5:47] » then we should be getting what we should
what we deserve as a county.
[5:52] » They don't have a
>> Are you going to give, you know, free
[5:56] services to everything that we
>> don't intend to? I just ask that you
[6:02] consider
>> fair market value for rent.
[6:06] » This was not to be a generate money
generating deal from the get-go. This
[6:13] building was gifted to county with the
express purpose of being a public
[6:19] library.
And that's what the gift was. It wasn't
[6:25] built with county funds. And what this
will do if a library district is formed,
[6:32] it will eliminate the drain on our
general fund dollars and be carried by
[6:37] the library district. That's the
purpose, not to generate a bunch of
[6:42] revenue. The revenue we'll generate is
we'll reduce that cost to our budget by
[6:49] the amount that we're spending now on
it. So that's one of the savings to the
[6:54] county able cut. Also, if we sell the
building,
[6:58] then we get taxes back to the county.
>> No, we can't sell it.
[7:03] » Can't sell it.
>> It's there's things on the deed that
[7:08] it's supposed to be is a library, not
>> you can't. That's good to know.
[7:13] » You can't just
>> Yeah, it would be nice if we could have
[7:15] started the discussion with the history
and the conditions under which the
[7:19] building can be sold. And then we
>> and this is why we're having this
[7:23] meeting to get this stuff out.
>> Get some information on the ground rules
[7:27] then.
>> Well, the ground rules is supposed to be
[7:30] a private discussion. So, we're not
going to do a bunch of this. We'll have
[7:34] some questions, but we're mainly trying
to meet with the the committee to that's
[7:41] trying to save the library for they can
get their information, for they can do
[7:46] their budget, for they figure out what
their tax rate is, what they got to do.
[7:51] » I have Elizabeth waiting to speak.
Elizabeth, I sent you an unmute request.
[7:58] So, there's something you have to do on
your end to speak.
[8:04] Can I Can you
>> There you are.
[8:07] » We can hear you.
>> Go ahead.
[8:14] » Nope.
>> You were.
[8:18] » Okay. Hang hang on. Can Let's see what
Can you give us a test?
[8:27] » Nothing.
[8:30] » Okay. Okay. How's that?
>> There we go. Okay,
[8:33] » that's good.
>> Okay. Um hello. Good morning. Um first
[8:38] of all, I want to say
>> thank you on behalf of the Save Our
[8:42] Library Committee um for a couple of
things. First of all, um recognizing
[8:48] that the Grant County Court is in a
really difficult position financially,
[8:52] and in spite of that, they've given the
Save Our Library Committee a lot of
[8:56] support in doing some work to figure out
whether the community would support a
[9:01] library district, but also um a
tremendous amount of support in moving a
[9:06] library district forward. Um, and over
the next two months, um, there's going
[9:11] to be a number of actions that we're we
that the court will need to take to
[9:14] continue to,
um, put a library district in front of
[9:19] the voters, um, for them to make a
decision about it. But recognizing
[9:23] everything that's gone into it, I just
want to say thank you and thank you guys
[9:26] for taking the time today to have a
conversation about some issues
[9:31] um that are important for us to figure
out as we move forward with like what is
[9:35] a library district for Grant County,
what's it going to cost, and what are we
[9:38] going to be able to provide residents.
Um
[9:43] and I the other thing I wanted to share
was a bit of good news. So, one of the
[9:47] things that needs to happen for a
library district to be created is that
[9:51] every um incorporated city in Grant
County needs to vote in favor or pass a
[9:56] resolution in favor of that. Um last
night we got the seventh of the eight
[10:00] required cities to pass the resolution
in favor of creating a library district.
[10:05] The one that has not um was not able to
pass the resolution because it didn't
[10:09] have quorum and they're looking for a
way to address that. Um so that's really
[10:13] good news. the county is very much in
support of moving forward with the
[10:17] creation of a library district and I
thought I'd just share that with you.
[10:21] Um, one question we had as a committee
um about the building um was
[10:29] consideration of deferred maintenance
um and just whether or how we might be
[10:35] able to if a library district were to
take over a long-term lease and take
[10:40] over ongoing maintenance and
responsibilities for it. um might there
[10:44] be an opportunity to take care of some
deferred maintenance, fixing some broken
[10:49] windows, things like that um before the
district would take it over. And it
[10:54] really is a question without an answer
at this point. We don't know, but we
[10:59] wanted to put it out there.
>> Thank you.
[11:02] » Thank you.
[11:07] Well, that's
Can you
[11:13] turn that up?
[11:19] It's good news about the
city's passing resolutions, which is
[11:25] necessary if we can draw the boundaries
of the library district. So, hopefully
[11:31] the last one will get a corn. That's uh
now as far as uh orders and stuff uh
[11:40] it's too much
uh not enough.
[11:47] » That's it's maxed
[11:51] » but um
the uh
[11:57] Elizabeth will you be drafting up it's
horrible.
[12:03] What do you mean to worse now than it
was?
[12:13] Will you be drafting up the order and
preparing the ball language?
[12:20] We sent you a link yesterday for the
book on that.
[12:27] She's done there. She not. Yes,
>> Elizabeth.
[12:32] Hang. Okay,
>> now you're muted again.
[12:41] » Okay, T.
>> How's that?
[12:44] Um, so I have uh been um in conversation
with Lori and Lori is working with legal
[12:52] counsel um and they're going to draft
the um initiation order and the um
[13:00] approval order and the um election
order. Um I have the ballot language
[13:05] template and we're going to start
working on that.
[13:09] » So we had
>> Hold on a second. When did you have that
[13:13] conversation with
>> legal?
[13:18] » Yes.
>> I have not been with legal counsel. Lori
[13:21] Lori has
[13:25] » not that information.
>> Maybe Lori.
[13:29] » Maybe it was Lori.
>> No, it wasn't Lori Kate's. I'm not sure
[13:34] what order it happened in Jim, but I did
not hear
[13:42] we had talked before
I got an email from you, I believe, and
[13:49] uh I don't know. I don't know.
>> No, it' be on you guys to draft the
[13:55] order and the ballot stuff.
>> Is that
[13:58] » And we'll Okay. Yes.
>> Is that what legal counsel said?
[14:03] That's why they sent that link to the
book to make sure they do it correct.
[14:11] » So I
[14:14] um
however I I yeah so as of yesterday
[14:24] I understood differently. That doesn't
actually mean that I'm unwilling to do
[14:28] it. It just means that I understood that
the um legal counsel was doing it.
[14:33] » What I had asked what I had asked for
was what are the required templates that
[14:38] you guys have for Grant County so that I
can follow your process.
[14:44] » Say that one more time.
>> Um I need from you guys whatever
[14:51] templates or however you have formatted
these orders previously. um so that I
[14:57] can I can follow what you're and
typically it is generated by the county
[15:02] but as we said I'd offered to do it
previously um so however that works but
[15:08] then I just need to have access to both
Lori and legal counsel so I can make
[15:12] sure I'm doing it in accordance with
your rules
[15:17] » once it's completed push through our
legal counsel make sure it's all done
[15:22] correct
>> so your honor but
[15:27] I still need your I still need whatever
templates and requirements that you
[15:31] have.
>> Yes. One more France.
[15:35] » So is there is there a confusion between
the Lories because the Lori Kates is the
[15:40] one that works with the ballot process.
>> There was a confusion.
[15:46] » Does she have a role in assisting them?
>> No, not really. She has a role in
[15:52] approving the stuff. One's a thread. We
sent a uh thing from a link to show what
[16:00] they're supposed to do with ballot
title, how many words the question is
[16:04] for the ballot, all that. So, and then
>> that's correct. I
[16:10] » you guys will have to come up with how
much you're going to ask for with the
[16:13] tax rate disc included in all that.
So, I do have all everything I need for
[16:20] the ballot measure. Um, what I don't
have is um whatever formats and and
[16:26] templates you have for the orders.
>> Do you have templates for orders? I
[16:30] don't think so.
>> Well, yeah, we have we have a current
[16:35] order. I have a template for the road
service district order which is similar
[16:41] » but
needs library information inserted.
[16:47] » So we could use that give her that
template with those changes.
[16:51] » I believe so. Yes. I mean I can give
that to her. Yeah. We would just what I
[16:56] think would be the best and I have been
looking for this. I think the best thing
[17:01] to do would be to
find a district that or a county that
[17:07] has created their own library district
and and a lot last when we were creating
[17:12] the road service district, our legal
council sent me templates from other
[17:18] counties and that would be the easiest
way to to look at an order and just make
[17:24] it for Grant County. So, Elizabeth, that
would be I have been hunting for that
[17:30] and haven't had any success so far.
>> Make sure I'm
[17:36] » thinking with Lord Kate's her job is to
okay it once it's been burned and not
[17:43] help to create.
>> Absolutely. That's not my job to help
[17:46] create it.
>> Right. No, but for just to clarify
[17:51] for ballot information and instructions,
you would be providing that if she
[17:59] needed.
>> So when she wouldn't create the ballot,
[18:03] what comes to the clerk's office is
what's going to be put on the the we get
[18:09] the filing for the measure to be put on
the ballot and that has to be approved
[18:13] in our office once it's all put
together. But no, she doesn't create the
[18:18] ballot. This would be the ballot
creation all happens on our side after
[18:22] the measure would be approved to move
forward on the measure. I mean for the
[18:26] measure and
>> so the language comes from the court.
[18:29] All of the filings come from the court's
forming whatever all of that comes from
[18:33] that side. Nothing happens on our end
until we get through.
[18:38] » Right.
>> Absolutely. I understand. Your honor,
[18:42] I'd like to call a conflict of interest
on Lorie Stanette's engaging with the uh
[18:49] library group.
>> It's my it's my desire that she not
[18:53] engage with them.
>> That might be on their own and she isn't
[18:57] creating a conflict of interest.
>> I would like to know how that's a
[19:02] conflict of interest
>> because she appears to be counseling
[19:06] them.
>> She's not counseling him. She's trying
[19:09] to get him information.
This is counseling.
[19:14] » That's what she should be doing.
>> She's here to serve the clerk here to
[19:19] serve the community and help them
through the processes of this county and
[19:23] this state for that matter. And and I
don't see that as being a conflict of
[19:27] interest.
>> A conflict of interest is when you would
[19:31] have personal financial gain or the
family member would have personal
[19:35] financial gain.
So I don't see how that would
[19:41] So
>> if I can
[19:46] if I might. So, I just want to clarify
that
[19:50] um
[19:53] I will receive from the county
um the information that I need to draft
[20:00] the orders in the format and template
that you guys need because it's it's
[20:06] it's not for me to create. It's your
process. So, I'm happy to provide the
[20:10] content, but I need I need the framework
that you guys need it in. Um, so
[20:15] somebody's going to get me that correct?
>> Yeah,
[20:20] I will do that. Elizabeth,
>> thank you, Lori. And then the second
[20:25] thing is, you know, I want to go back to
um,
[20:30] you know, we have, this is,
you know, we've been very appreciative
[20:35] of the support from CR Grant County
Court because from the beginning, you
[20:39] guys said
you don't want to close the library.
[20:42] It's not like a hostile act. You're
doing it because there's a real
[20:45] financial challenge being faced by the
library and your goal is to help support
[20:50] the continued operation of a library for
Grant County and I feel like this
[20:54] process is a real strong indicator of
that and I just want to appreciate that.
[20:58] » Thank you very much, Elizabeth.
And
[21:05] so we'll work on that stuff and get you
whatever information you need.
[21:11] » Thank you very much. Our
[21:16] next issue
on our agenda is transition management.
[21:22] The question was about basically if we
would close the library
[21:29] on June 30th when the budget went. My
desire would be because in the event a
[21:37] library district is born, they would not
see any revenue till November of the
[21:43] year when the property tax start coming
in. So they will need some funding to
[21:49] run
[21:52] June 30th to the end of the year. And I
think and me and our treasurer spoke
[22:01] about it and I think we can get enough
money to fund the library through the
[22:06] end of the year by the now the ability
to use that $200 some,000 of SRS funds
[22:15] that we've
initiated for that project
[22:20] which
[22:26] because it wouldn't make any sense to
close the library on June 30th and
[22:32] distance
[22:36] to keep it going.
>> Yeah.
[22:39] » A challenge.
>> Jim, would you do that every year then?
[22:41] » No, I would get them over and then
they'd have the operating capital run
[22:45] through the next year and we'd be done
then. And would you do it at the current
[22:51] budget that way budget or at a budget
that is inflated to maybe 400,000 a
[22:58] year?
>> Well, no, cuz we're only going to be
[23:00] funding it basically for six months. So,
we will have to budget it to just for
[23:08] the operation of the library like we're
doing it presently.
[23:13] When they get their money, they can do
their own budgets and stuff.
[23:18] So,
how of that 216,000
[23:23] we have in the three to pay for that?
How much of that do you think is going
[23:31] to be left? Because it's going to pay
for some of this year's budget with some
[23:36] of that money.
>> That money can only be used from
[23:40] September 15th through then. So,
>> so we might have 50,000 of it left or
[23:47] 75,000
>> I don't think we have any way of knowing
[23:51] » till we get down to that time how much
is left.
[23:54] » So, are you going to put a cap on it
like we'll give you this much money
[23:57] 100,000 or something?
>> Well, when we get into budget season to
[24:02] see how much that's left and say we can
budget 100,000 to get you through the
[24:08] rest of the year or whatever. Depends on
how much money spent. I mean, we have no
[24:13] idea how much money will be left of that
at this time
[24:18] » and whether or not the ballot passes,
>> right?
[24:20] » Well, if you figure from se middle of
September when we can start using that
[24:25] money to cover the library, that's
almost 3/4 of a year and their budgets
[24:32] say with the money they bring in, it's
maybe 210,000 because they bring some
[24:36] money. So 3/4 of that
would be
[24:42] 77 something like that.
>> Well, I think really the question is if
[24:48] we would support
>> trying to fund the library till their
[24:53] taxes roll in at the end of the year.
This would be a one-time deal to get to
[24:58] their taxes roll in
>> if if it passes. Yeah. And that's what I
[25:04] thought about and talked about in this
process that well if they do pass the
[25:09] budget and which way they decided to go
that we would be able to
[25:15] » we would yeah we would be able to keep
it going and and transfer it over to the
[25:20] in this case if it's going to be the
district that's what would happen.
[25:24] So to try to make it as smooth as
possible. Okay. And that was one of
[25:30] their question about walking with the
word. Sorry. The next question is the
[25:37] election cost. And I spoke with our
clerk and she can correct me. But unless
[25:44] it was a big long thing that made us add
another paper to the ballot, which it
[25:50] shouldn't be, there should be no extra
election cost including this on the B.
[25:57] So the election cost becomes a very
important.
[26:05] Now I'm not so sure what the infant
funding the question is here. What's
[26:10] that about?
>> Oh what you were just talking
[26:14] » I think that's the same thing we're
talking about the transmission but the
[26:17] trans thing is intermar's
language.
[26:20] » Yes. You just address the same thing.
>> Does that answer your guys's questions?
[26:28] Yep.
>> From what we can do.
[26:31] » Good. I mean
>> to this point. Yep. Because I think some
[26:34] of it will come up in budget like you
said our budget when we won't know
[26:39] » how much we have left or available from
>> if if the ballot passes or bails. I mean
[26:46] that's going to be a decision at that
time on a lot of this stuff. Well, I
[26:51] know Commissioner
Wilson has a trip over he has to take
[26:58] that plan. So, any interest in getting
him on the roads in a timely event.
[27:05] That's all the questions. Hey, thanks
you guys and I hope that answered the
[27:10] questions.
>> Oh, go ahead and go ahead Elizabeth.
[27:14] » Big orange hand.
>> Say big and orange. Am I giant in the
[27:19] room over there? I never know what
people are seeing.
[27:21] » Um, again, I just want to say thank you.
I think um your guys' commitment and
[27:28] efforts are really appreciated. The
committee's been working really hard and
[27:32] um it's just really appreciated.
>> Well, and I know the committee has
[27:39] put hundreds and hundreds hours in
meeting the
[27:44] city. So, I'd really like to thank all
of them for the time and commitment that
[27:49] they've put into this
>> and and for understanding the position
[27:52] we're in to, you know, for taking the
time to figure out that we're not just
[27:57] trying to,
>> you know, slash and cut that we're we
[28:00] want to make it work, but the position
we're in.
[28:03] » So, thank you for that.
>> Well, you know, in some of these
[28:06] meetings that had been come out, they
couldn't understand, you know, we had
[28:10] $88 million budget. Well, that's all
grants, road reserve funds. As far as
[28:17] tax money goes, it's a little over 2
million a year in property taxes, which
[28:24] at the current budget, that's basically
1/8 of all our general fund dollars for
[28:30] the library. So, to put it more in
perspective, folks can understand why.
[28:36] And employee costs, post cost,
everything keeps going up every year.
[28:41] about the revenue stream for the general
fund dollars really.
[28:46] » So appreciate all you people and
>> I want I want to thank for getting us to
[28:53] get a kind of a platform set out in
front so they can get their work done
[28:59] and and uh when we meet in regular
session u they'll draft up what's
[29:04] necessary to make it as smooth what we
can.
[29:07] » What city are we missing? I think
monument
[29:10] still
>> yeah and I
[29:14] » no
>> has granite I mean it is
[29:17] » they don't have to
>> they don't have to
[29:22] » well thank you folks
>> thank you
[29:27] » thank you
for that
[29:31] » you